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Sally, thanks for peeking at the stars. I'll have to come back and reread this, its chock full of interesting information. Sure hope Cheney is hoisted by his own petard. My son just got here, so will chat more later.

Well I wonder how many progressives called and were vitriolic to poor Rev,. Jenkins? I called him on killing people being out of balance with excessive concern over foetuses! It was all so directed, it only took 15 minutes of my time.
I am having trouble focusing on a coherent response!...................Pace is heating up....I painted until 10 PM last night!
Tomorrow!

Sally,thank you for this one especially for the thoughts on Obama. I was so moved by him yesterday I thought he approached this much the same way he he approached race-he brought a dignity to the debate that no one else has.
An aside-I noticed that the large majority of those protesting outside were elderly-a time when the issue of choice when an unplanned pregnancy occurs is rare.

Whew! We hadn't heard from you in awhile, Sally. So, i was whooping it up when i logged on this morning! And yes! Perfect timing on Champions. I wrestle with being drawn into the demeaning discourses, the dastardly deeds permeating our very pores. No wonder a shower feels so darned good -- washing off the detrius of doom and gloom.

I did listen to the speeches yesterday and was deeply moved by the beginnings of a shift in consciousness, asking that we think and behave in more holistic terms, instead of forcing our opinions until they flatline. Fr. Jenkins reference to Obama ACCEPTING the invitation were profound. Indeed what other Pres in our history would have walked into this fray? In fact, would you or I? I don't like to think of myself as fragile, but i'm not sure i would have taken up this invitation.

And, thank you for the historical notes. I love that about your articles.

Clymela, your comment about the age of protesters had me chuckling. That's a whole other conversation about becoming rigid both literally and figuratively.

Karen, I must say in the holistic spirit that I confronted that tendency in this ol post menopausal consciousness: when confronted with the intention of a young woman I know to terminate an early pregnancy I was more open to her carrying the child to term. I was chagrined by my easy morality now that I am far beyond the reproductive years and it was not my body, my life, my future. Also where is the money for these pregnancies-young mothers are still treated with contempt if they do not have spouses and do not have employment based insurance.

Bingo! Got it!
The July eclipse, 28o Cancer, will be trine Uranus at 26o Pisces.....3 degrees away from conj. with the Iraq War sun. will that create a favorable or moderating factor to the eclipse?
Gee! The life changing (for me, on my N pluto) eclipse, happens just 5 days before my gallery opening. Not planned that way just a logical sequence of events that set that date!
Thank you Sally, for giving us something to think about.........
I'm wondering if N Pelosi HAD put impeachment on the table 2 years ago, would she be any better off, or would it just have hastened the jumping on, by just about everyone?

The beauty of the GOP push against Nancy is they have boxed her in, if she had started impeachment two years ago she would be in worse shape than now. I do think she will have a push back of her own and Phil Graham's diaries will be a huge help to her, thank god for some old world anal men left in politics. Good ole Phil knows who said what, when, what day and what time and he has it written down. The GOP is just trying to show the Dems how bad it can be on them if they go after the Bush Administration. This is a shot over the Dem bow.

You mean Bob Graham former FLa Sen. who ran for Pres. in 04? If he had stayed in the race I would have voted for him . I thought it would be a good idea to have a Pres. who wrote everything down in his journal.
Phil Gramm is mccaines boogy man who ended the Glass Stegal act!
I think Obama reads it the same way that you do.........If he overtly goes after the bushies....
EVERYTHING will come to a screeching Halt except that! Especially now that newtie thinks he has been redeemed!

Drip, drip, drip...

* Obama Can’t Turn the Page on [bushadruggie]

TO paraphrase Al Pacino in “Godfather III,” just when we thought we were out, the Bush mob keeps pulling us back in. And will keep doing so. No matter how hard Pres Obama tries to turn the page on the previous adm, he can’t. Until there is true transparency and true accountability, revelations of that unresolved 8-year nightmare will keep raining down drip by drip, disrupting the new adm’s high ambitions. ... http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/17/opinion/17rich-5.html?_r=2&th&emc=th

* Warren Buffett is back just like Inflation

Pluto and Mars in Cardinal Signs Motivate the Sage of Omaha Towards More Foul Play?

On 8/30/09, many people will be celebrating Warren Buffet's birthday probably with lots of tweets on twitter for this "Faux" American Hero. At one time the world's richest person, transiting Pluto (the power broker and lord of the underworld ) is in Capricorn is retrograde but still close to his natal place of authority Saturn in the first.

Also and most strikingly, Pluto (known for great wealth underground) is opposing his natal Mars @ 01 Cancer 30 which could cause some disturbances with his partners and create lots of turmoil even in his domestic life. Note that Mars now transiting in the warrior sign Aries has crossed his IC. IC stands for the Latin Imum Coeli which means "bottom of the heavens." The IC is also known as the "End of a Matter"--could we be talking about his death? I doubt it but with Pluto moving direct on 9/11/09 and Mars transiting in Cancer, we better expect something big from Uncle War--false flag?

Quickly note that on 9/11/01 Mars was transiting Warren's natal Saturn (planning and execution) while transiting Mercury/ASC for the WTC chart was at 14 deg Libra crossing his MC @ 18 Libra (social event was cove and alibi). Jupiter was also close to the degree of his natal Jupiter with transiting Moon and N Node applying to fateful crossings of his natal Mars in defensive, acquisitive and hidden Cancer. ...
http://www.aquasoul.com/index2.html

whoops qop, I do mean Bob Graham, Phil was his brother, Martha's husband. Bob was the Senator, not publisher. Bob Graham, Nov. 9, 1936 in Coral Gables, FL (noon time) If I were Bob, I would keep those diaries under lock and key, difficult times ahead for him.

Oh no! What planets indicate that? My Grandaughter is the 10th, of course she is a whole lot yongerr than Bob Graham! WHo I passed on the street in Bar Harbor several years ago. Before I realized who he was to say thank you he was several paces away and surrounded!

* May 18th: Saturn now direct for accountability or is this just a rumor ala Jupiter-Neptune, we will soon find out.
'US special squad killed Benazir'

NEW YORK (Online) - Former PM of Pakistan Benazir Bhutto was assassinated on the orders of the special death squad formed by former US vp Dick Cheney, which had already killed the Lebanese PM Rafique Al Hariri and the army chief of that country. The squad was headed by Gen Stanley McChrystal, the newly-appointed commander of US army in Afghanistan. It was disclosed by reputed US journalist Seymour Hersh while talking to an Arab TV in an interview. http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Politics/18-May-2009/US-special-squad-killed-Benazir

Agh... my stomach is churning again...

The GOP's life's blood is the very corruption they are trying to protect by staving off any and all investigations of the Bush Admin. It's also why Cheney has diarrhea of the mouth now. He is obviously very fearful of what might turn up in those investigations. He has a very personal stake in these matters (which is all the more reason why investigations of the Bush administration must proceed!).

Ultimately, nothing would serve the US and the world better than the forced and unconditional disincorporation of the Republican Party, after, of course, it's full litany of secrets are laid bare for all to see.

Seems I remember the repulsives made a try for control of both the parties about fifteen years ago... thereabouts. They, of course, succeeded with the repulsives whose personalities rather matched thugs, dictators, killers, & thieves in any other brutal regime that pop up like nasty boils/runny pimples in the poor world.

(Bah! Humbug! Hominoids! Mother Terra should reconsider their planetary presence... wouldn't take much for her to come up with a little bug to wipe 'em out!)

JESUS CRAPPIN' CHRIST...........
because if he existed he WOULD BE!
I always thought "we" were responsible for the death of Al Harrari! And we failed with Hugo Chavez so he was demonized instead ( like Ted Kennedy!)
I guess Seymour Hirsh NEVER FLYES anywhere!
Well Sally, you called the revealation of filthy secrets, a while back!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_A._McChrystal
(born August 14, 1954)[1] where?
He will have to be confirmed; so send those letters to your Senators!

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=12368
Rumsfeld is especially enamored of McChrystal’s "direct action" forces or so-called SMUs-Special Mission Units-whose job is to kill or capture bad guys, say Pentagon sources who would speak about Special Ops only if they were not identified.

This guy tortures HIMSELF! Eats ONLY one meal a day and deprives himself of sleep.............
I can't find any thing online about his psycops to kill Harrari & Buatto........ even so he sounds most distastful!
And NO BIRTHPLACE.......like he sprang from the forehead of Mars!

It's BAD!
http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_55787.shtml

O's original post refuted by the Raw Story........but all that stuff I dug up on Mcchrystal, is NOT B VERY SAVORY even if he didn't assassinate Hararri & Bhutto.
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/05/18/hersh-did-not-say-cheney-ordered-bhutto-assassination/

In a telephone conversation with RAW STORY, Pulitzer-winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh refuted reports that he told an Arab television network former Vice President Dick Cheney ordered the assassination of former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto.

All right then! The two must've been assassinated by the gardener down the street... that's it, the local gardener down the street... not the loathsome international reptilian cheney-chew'emup... it would never do anything like that. No doubt more will be revealed. Besides, Hersch didn't say Cheney didn't do it... blah blah blah

Hey, Not to worry..............I grew a batch of red potatos in a POT indoors, in the worst winter I have ever experienced!
The vines went south on me*....but I just harvested a little batch sufficient for 1 or 2 meals.......( There are 2 struggling plants, left I'll see what I can do with them.......
* I am struggling with that tobacco mosaic virus that affects nightshade plants, tomatos, potatoes peppers, egg plant, & PETUNIAS! I had had tomatoes in that dirt!

Hersch must've received some pretty heavy feedback on that story.

I remember an article about growing potatoes in a hay bale, qop. They stayed nice & clean. I always wanted to try it.

You're right, qop... that axis of logic piece is very very bad! What are we to make of it.

Well before the election I stated over and over that no matter who won the primary or the election they would have to dance with the devil to make it and Obama was not an exception to that assessment.

This is a note from the editor of qop's link to Axis of Logic

Editor's Note: We think it is important for readers to know the personal and political history of Obama's new envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, Richard Holbrooke. In whatever deal Obama made with the devil to become the first African-American President of the United States, it's obvious that as part of that deal, his cabinet, staff and foreign policy were decided for him by the masters who put him in office. - Les Blough, Editor

Mr. Blough is absolutely correct and one is seeing this at every turn as it relates to the economy and foreign policy. My hope is Obama's long term plan includes breaking the hold of these "masters of the universe" on the world. Right now Obama's orders seems to be calming the rabel (that's us) he may not be able to do that for 4 years. I think he might know that because he has said over and over that he may not run in 2012 and was just focusing on the next 4 years.

We are to make of it just what we have been discussing these last few years............how to get through it! Hopefully the coming storm will wash away the filth!
MY family motto is "All things with God's help."
See I am more "christian" than those danged fundies, by genetics and up bringing, even if I do believe in the Goddess and the Stars!

http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.fc/qx/mcchrystal-family-crest.htm
Crusaders!
family motto translated "a mind conscious of rectitude!" means- "RIGHTEOUSNESS"
moral integrity, the quality or state of being straight, correct in judgement or proceedure!
And I am listening to Beethoven's 7th symphony! somber.......
I will try the hay bale, might work!
( well actually straw, hay has seeds in it that sprout!)

http://www.ajc.com/business/content/business/stories/2009/05/19/home_depot_earnings.html
The Home Depot Inc. said Tuesday that its fiscal first-quarter profit climbed 44 percent on fewer charges, and the nation’s largest home improvement retailer beat Wall Street’s expectations despite lower sales.
A good sign!

Well... mebbe the article said straw and not hay. Could very well be.

* Why Astrology Works
by Brad Kochunas

I recently read two marvelous articles written by Ivan Kelly, a professor in the Dept of Educational Psychology at the U of Saskatchewan, appearing in Psychological Reports, a respected journal in the field of professional psychology. (1) In them, Kelly quite astutely, I believe, dismantles modern astrology with the assurance of a seasoned academician. He notes a wide variety of claims made by astrologers and, to my mind, convincingly raises arguments that are perhaps unassailable by those practicing and believing in astrology as a discipline that literally and accurately describes and predicts human personality. I submit that it would be folly to attempt a point-by-point rebuttal to his arguments. He has us; the jig is up for an astrology conceived as an empirical discipline. I urge every astrologer and believer in astrology to read and contemplate what Kelly has to say about this ancient discipline. What follows is a rhetorical response to Kelly's position. ... http://mountainastrologer.com/standards/editor's%20choice/articles/why_ast.html

* Democrats Pull Funding For Guantanamo Closure

WASHINGTON — ...Obama's allies in the Senate will not provide funds to close the Guantanamo Bay prison next Jan, a top Dem official said Tue.

With debate looming on Obama's spending request to cover military and diplomatic ops in Iraq and Afghanistan, the official says Dems will deny the Pentagon and Justice Dept $80m to relocate Guantanamo's 240 detainees. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the proposed changes to the bill were to be unveiled later.

The adm has yet to develop a plan for what to do with the detainees, and Obama's promise to close the facility is facing strong GOP opposition. ... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/19/democrats-wont-fund-guant_n_205224.html

Oh how I detest Liar Boyz.

* Barack Obama Is Cliff Huxtable: "Daily Show"'s Wyatt Cenac Compares The President To Bill Cosby http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/19/barack-obama-is-cliff-hux_n_205039.html

Yep... other folks saw the simularity, too.

* Rumsfeld kept rescue choppers from Katrina - Turf War

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/5/17/732410/-Rumsfeld-kept-rescue-choppers-from-KatrinaTurf-War

joannaoregon, how interesting that you offered that article on astrology both why it is no good and how it works. I have had a thought that comes to me very strongly and that thought is that the scientific material reality we live in is another myth. We are living in the proof of this as our global population grows past what we know we can support and the leftovers of all our improvements and breakthroughs prepare to engulf us-seemingly the easier we can make life and death the higher the bill is.Sooo-I just know that I can understand individuals and their actions through astrology and I don't really care that the scientists can't figure out how. I also know that scientists have said that they have proof that prayer makes sick people worse but that is not what I have seen. Love to you and all the other backwards folk who love astrology and prayer and the stories from the witches,etc.Long may we live.

* Abu Ghraib Cover-up About to Explode

http://pundits.thehill.com/2007/06/21/abu-ghraib-cover-up-about-to-explode/

Yea, verily, dear seesta Clymela. Ain't that the truth?! Blessed Be to ye!

An alternate take on Obama and the way things are going, from Psychic Consortium at DU:

Hello to ASAH friends:

As indicated previously by PC, political and financial structures are crumbling for the purpose of rebuilding by Obama.

As usual, Obama’s behind the scene activity is momentous and incredible on many levels.

Regarding the Bush/Cheney issue, Obama has known for some time about the Cheney rogue government and he has taken steps to dismantle that organization. Hence Cheney’s public outrage. Cheney assumed he would hold power for a long time and never face any questions or consequences. He cannot believe what Obama has accomplished.

Justice will be served. Obama will set up the framework. However, how it all unfolds publicly is to a large extent up to the American people. Obama puts the pieces in place; the people decide the final outcome. This is their karma, not Obama’s. It is felt that at the end of the day, it will be sorted out satisfactorily.

But the most critical immediate step for Obama is to end Cheney’s power whose tentacles are buried deep and wide. Many whistle blowers have been providing Obama with information since the campaign. He has many internal supporters from both parties helping him to end the dangerous rogue government

Those who underestimate Obama will be sadly mistaken or pleasantly surprised as the case may be. Obama takes the long view and sees the big picture. He wants to ensure that his changes are enduring and firmly in place. So he takes care to go step by step, carefully building firm foundations.

Obama has no choice but to fight in Afghanistan There is great danger there, it is seen clearly. He must do whatever it takes or the world faces grave threats. He hopes to stay focused and strategic and not long term.

On Geither and some of the other appointments: it takes a crook to catch a crook.

Things were much worse than Obama thought when he ran for office.The economy, the corruption, the greed, the rogue government. Much more widespread. Much more difficult then he knew. Those who criticize him have no idea what he is up against on a daily basis.

His enemies would do well not to underestimate Obama; they do so at their own peril. As PC has said repeatedly, Obama’s civility is not to be mistaken for weakness. He gives everyone the chance to do the right thing. If not, he gives them enough rope to hang themselves.

His supporters will be pleasantly surprised. But Obama is no one’s dancing bear and will do things his way and on his time line. He clearly sees where he is going and will not take short cuts or detours if this will jeopardize his long range plans. Obama builds a better country and better world. He works for global peace and prosperity and a strong America. He will not be stopped in his goals.

The people on the DU forum have helped change the world for the better and they do not even know it. The world was at a crossroads. Survival or destruction. And the people of the world decided for survival. Obama represents that change. And those who are frustrated that things move too slowly could not be more wrong. Things are moving quickly, very quickly and all is unfolding just as it should. Time is going by faster, karma coming much more quickly. We have a great deal of help, please know that……

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=245&topic_id=92031&mesg_id=92292

That was a very wise article Neo.
And here is good news!
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/kennedys-cancer-in-remission-2009-05-19.html

joannaoregon, thank you very much and blessings to you.

I hope Taguba doesn't fly!

Neo, while I have been suspicious of the short term undertakings by Obama, I keep looking at that 12th house Jupiter and the Sun in the 6th house and cannot shake off the feeling that he has gone underground to fight the forces of underground. There wouldn't have been a way for him to come in and make shocking wholesale changes, way too dangerous. I can't help feeling Obama is the Trojan Horse. I have tried, but I simply cannot get any disturbing energy coming from him, maybe I'm just in denial. At any rate, we don't have a choice but to wait and see what happens and do the very best we can for ourselves, families and friends.

If you get a chance, look up Sunspots and the economy. It seems the economy falls when sunspots disappear, it's been studied for centuries and the sunspots have disappeared right now. It's pretty interesting to track.

If a person is ruled by the Sun (Leo) I wonder if increased or decreased sunspots would affect the Leo person a bit more? Nothing in the research would indicate that, I was just wondering.

Sally, I come back to agreeing with you thanks to my Yalie commute partner who helped me to see Obama as a man who plays basketball and is VERY team oriented. Over and over I almost bust a gasket because he is not doing what I think should be done and then there comes his Administration addressing my concers not Obama the Star but the Obama Administration. He is subtle beyond the likes of this emotional Gemini who can sometimes be extremely flat footed and has be told to be quiet for the sake of the team over and over.
And I so agree that it would not work at all if he took these things straight on-that would give the Republicans all the ammunition they would need.

We knew this creep was very bad for the state when the cons put him in office...

* Angry California voters punish legislators, reject reforms

Angry CA voters rejected a set of budget Band-Aids on the ballot Tue, but approved a proposition to stop pay increases for elected officials during deficit years. The reforms, Props 1A thru 1E, were heavily promoted by Schwarzenegger as the only way to save the troubled state from its budget crisis.

Even if the reform measures had passed, they wouldn’t have gotten CA out of hot water, however. One proposal allowed the state to borrow from guessed-at future lottery earnings to pay for holes in today’s budget. Other measures sought to free up money voters had required to be spent on community mental health and children’s education programs.

Only Prop 1F, which punishes legislators and other officials by barring increases in their pay during times when the state runs a deficit, passed, and its whopping 3-to-1 margin gives a sense of voters’ anger. ... http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/stories/2009/05/18/daily34.html

* LONDON, May 20 - Reformists called for a fundamental shakeup of Britain's political system on Wed, saying the first ousting of a parliamentary speaker in 300 years was not enough to still public anger over an expenses scandal.

Opposition Conservative leader David Cameron said an early general election was the only way to give Britain a fresh start after disclosures about legislators' expenses angered voters and tarnished the reputation of parliament. But PM Gordon Brown rejected his demand, saying it was not the time for the "chaos of an election" in the middle of Britain's worst recession since WWII.

The Daily Telegraph newspaper has rocked Britain's political class with disclosures of how lawmakers used public funds to pay for everything from cleaning a moat to manure for their gardens. ... http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSLK95601820090520

Pink males should be running nothing... nothing at all. There's something terribly wrong with them.

* Report Details Abuses in Irish Church-Run Reformatories

A commission investigating child abuse in Ireland’s Roman Catholic-run state orphanages, reformatories and schools released a scathing report on Wed, documenting widespread physical, sexual and emotional abuse of thousands of children over 60 years. ... http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/world/europe/21ireland.html?hp

joannoregon, that is very succinct reporting on the election yesterday. Thanks for putting out the info in such an easily accessable form. I am ratshit crazy about the Schwrazenegger administration as I have been since the days that Enron and Pete Wilson threw their surprise party and screwed us by getting Grey Davis impeached and this man in. We are stuck with him until 1/2011 by which time his group will have destroyed California and the unions and those stupid poor and sick people. He represents people who dream of returning to principalities where they vicious bullies that they are will rule.

Just now on CNN, an interview with a military lawyer ( black female )IN UNIFORM, for a Gitmo prisoner who has been let go......At regular intervals, they would go into his cell and make small cuts on his penis with a scalpel!
Asked about her loyalty, she said simply, she had sworn an oath to the CONSTITUTION, not the military leaders!.............................
CNN!

http://www.lastchancedemocracycafe.com/?p=2272
We’re getting close — so close you can almost smell the stench of the rottenness. To be honest, I had pretty much given up hope for any sort of real justice in response to Bush Administration torture. Sure, a lot of dust was being kicked up, a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth: but actual substantive justice — a judge, a jury an accounting for the crimes committed? It just didn’t seem to be in the cards.

Clymela, besides being a basketball player, Obama reportedly is an excellent poker player. It shows.

Sally, thank you for this wonderful essay. So interesting about the sunspots. I was reading recently that scientists are puzzled about the timing and length of this unusually "quiet period" for the sun.

Re the 29 Pisces timing of the Iraq, I read somewhere (Katherine de Jersey?) that 29 Pisces is called the "degree of sorrows."

I voted for former Senator Bob Graham when I lived in Florida, and consider him an excellent senator. After he retired, I received an ad for a cruise for Democrats with Senator and Mrs. Graham. Even if I went on cruises I wouldn't have bought a ticket, because I consider Bob Graham one of the most boring people on the planet. But--an honest and excellent senator. Bless you, Bob Graham, for those detailed diaries. I'll never snicker at them again.

29 Pisces is a "sorrowful and tragic" degree in the Zodiac and the degree of the Sun when the Iraq war started. There is no doubt it's a bogged down degree. Maybe Uranus will jar it
loose when it gets there.

Interesting, Obama met with the ACLU, and other Civil Liberties groups today along with Axelrod, Holder, Emanuel, and Valerie Jerrit. On Rachel Maddow, Isakoff had one story of the meeting and his version had Obama angry and basically said he would do what he wanted, and then Ben Stein of Huffington Post had an entirely different story. Ben's had more of a ring of truth to it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/20/obama-huddles-with-human_n_206104.html

Sounds like Isakoff was talking about bushaholicdruggie, not Obama. Mebbe he has the same problem.

CNN wants to know what you want to hear this morning from these speeches, one thing I don't want to hear is Dick Cheney.

Isakoff lost me several years ago when it was discovered he lied about Clinton and just wrote the GOP talking points without following up, that's why I think Stein is more accurate in his assessment of the meeting. Stein is a pretty good investigative reporter. First of all he just started in that role on Huffington Post and they are anxious to be taken seriously as accurate. They don't have a job or reputation to protect and they don't have the need to dramatize what is really going on.

This is very good... the book given to Obama by Hugo Chavez, "Open Veins of Latin America: five centuries of the pillage of a continent" has given me another insight on the USian pink boyz' primary industry of late... the Terrorism Industry. Does not nearly the whole economy now rest in this abominable trade? I think so. http://www.buzzflash.com/store/reviews/1648

"Does not nearly the whole economy now rest in this abominable trade? I think so."

So it would seem and it would seem that it always had. I listened to both Obama and Cheney this morning (it's hard to stomach Cheney and his delusions) But as I listened and no doubt Obama had some very good arguments, I could help but think his administration and the last administration want the same thing for different reasons. Cheney doesn't want his administration to be exposed and Obama doesn't want his administration to have to be bothered.

It seems to me that whether the discussion is around Wall Street or Gitmo and torture, or war crimes the guilty are still given a pass. I wonder how any of us including Obama would feel if one of our loved ones were murdered and all of our money stolen from our homes and the justice system would say of the perpetrator "we have a lot of cases so we will just let this guy go free to kill again, steal again, cheat again because we simply do not have the time on our docket." Would we exhaust every legal means at our disposal to try to bring that perpetrator to justice?

The justifications for these decisions simply do not hold water, not for war crimes by the last administration nor for Wall Street. The rule of law cannot or should not be suspended just because the law was broken on the Bush watch and not Obama's.

Hi all, I am completely side tracked on my first grandson arriving...I'm practicing patience.

I did not listen to Uncle Dicky this morning and I am giving my remote control a workout. What Dick Cheney is succeeding in doing is defining the Republican Party. So loathsome that it is to hear and see his snarling mug, it serves to ignite peoples passions. This too may backfire. However I hear in the background chatter Cheney sucked in Britain and other European countries in his torture scheme.

I only caught snippets of Obama's speech today.

However, I think our voices are being heard. Californians have had it, talk is rising on rewriting the State Constitution, only a couple of amendments I think since it was originally written. Which was likely in haste.
I'm going to look at this soon. Another talking head yesterday, Brownstein that California's anger, and distrust of all of them may be a bellweather or sign of how the rest of the country is reacting...ya think?

So until this little guy gets born, I am completely distracted, let alone the affects of Mercury Rx.

Ok back later I'll let you know when I become a granny.

The high price of being poor:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/17/AR2009051702053.html?g=0

When's the due date? Very exciting!

Hi QOP, due date was May 29th, however my son says her water has broken about 40 minutes ago, so that would make due date today. I'll go nuts here once I know they are on the way to the hospital, they have to drop off their dog here.

I'll keep ya'll posted.

Oh Good! Hope it all goes smoothly!
WHen my first Grandson was born..my son called from the delivery room & let me share in some of the birthing! Maine to NJ..........
What a thrill!

Looks like yet another false alarm.

Wait a minute.................if her water broke...........shouldn't she be induced? My daughter lost her amniotic fluid through the puncture from the amneosentesis, and had to be
horizontal feet elevated for 10 days till it replenished..( too early for the birth!
Keep us posted!

Wow!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30874523

I did listen to Cheney this morning and was reminded of an incident repeated I expect in family after family. Algebra was my niche in math, geometry was not. I had a teacher who was known for giving the same final in geometry year after year. Not having done well in the class all year, I, and many others got the test from the previous year. The night before the test I was in my room studying and my father came in, sat on the bed to ask me some questions, he spied a corner of the bootlegged test coming out of my notebook and pulled it out with the dreaded question of "what's this." All he had to do was skim it and he knew what it was. He said "Sally, this is wrong and I'll just take this with me." I immediately cried out, "but Daddy, everybody's doing it and have been doing it for years, I will fail the test if you don't give that back to me." From the doorway he looked at me for what seemed to be a long time and said "I don't care if everyone is doing it, it doesn't matter if the whole school is doing it and has been doing it there are some things which are wrong, no matter how many people do it. Lying and cheating are wrong Sally and it doesn't matter if you fail the test, but if you lie and cheat you fail yourself and you will never be able to forget that and you will never be able to whitewash it away."

I did fail the test, it didn't change my life and I went on to become an astrologer which is mostly geometry.

The Bush administration, especially Bush and Cheney, lied and cheated and murdered and the end does not justify the means no matter how they try to tell themselves that it does. I thought today, "Dicky, it doesn't matter how many countries supported this, or how many generations of countries supported this over the last several thousand years, it doesn't matter how many people agreed with you, or how many laws you could bend, what you've done is wrong and you will never ever be able to get back the part of you that walks on the dark side. No one who participated in this will."

"...depart I say and let us have done with you. In the name of God go!"

Did Cromwell know Dick Cheney, do you think? Or are the Dick Cheney's a repeat blight on humanity? I think they must be because they show up so often in history, the black, dark part of humanity's history.

What a wonderful Father you had Sally!
ANd yes, the cheney;s of history repeat again & again.
There is a French term for a ballet step 'chaines turns.
Usually when ballet students have trouble travelling in a straight line in chaine turns, it is because they are taking uneven steps while turning. Idealy, while doing chaines, you should remain in the first position releve pose, and make perfectly equal half turns all the way accross the floor. This means that you are not stepping to the front or to the side in order to turn... you are merely pivoting on one leg to make the half turn. A lot of times, we'll try to "step out" of the turn with our dominant leg (usually right leg), which ends up making us pivot more than 180 degrees on one half of the turn... which will naturally make your line start to curve.

Well crystal.thanks for the post from the Washpo re: poverty. SInce you have to join to make a comment, instead I went right to the source, one Douglas J Besharov, AEI but now with UMD,who rum inated ( through 4 cow stomaches) whether depression causes poverty , or are people poor because they are dysfunctional from being depressed.
He now knows without arguement that poverty CAUSES depression!

Oh Boy or should that be OH!little boy come on out!!Morgana, in union with you and your family today and as long as it takes-I was always low on that hormone that helps the mother's body release the little one so here I am with all of you.
qop & Crystal this is one of my rants-the "depression " that causes cancer and poverty,etc. This was the big monster in the 80's-negative people get cancer. I always thought that since we know that cancer is in the body a long time before showing as symptoms perhaps the one that "sticks" long enough to be identified as cancer also feels like depression as all the physical energy goes to fight the problem. Poverty works something likr that in that we just get worn out from the stress of having , say, no food and no money coming in for days.

"The embrace by any society of permanent war is a parasite that devours the heart and soul of a nation. Permanent war extinguishes liberal, democratic movements. It turns culture into nationalist cant. It degrades and corrupts education and the media, and wrecks the economy. (...) In "Pentagon Capitalism" Seymour Melman described the defense industry as viral. Defense and military industries in permanent war, he wrote, trash economies. They are able to upend priorities. They redirect govt expenditures toward their huge military projects and starve domestic investment in the name of national security. We produce sophisticated fighter jets, while Boeing is unable to finish its new commercial plane on schedule. Our automotive industry goes bankrupt. We sink money into research and development of weapons systems and neglect renewable energy technologies to fight global warming. Universities are flooded with defense-related cash and grants, and struggle to find money for environmental studies. This is the disease of permanent war. Massive military spending in this country, climbing to nearly $1 trillion a year and consuming half of all discretionary spending, has a profound social cost. Bridges and levees collapse. Schools decay. Domestic mfging declines. Trillions in debts threaten the viability of the currency and the economy. The poor, the mentally ill, the sick and the unemployed are abandoned. Human suffering, incl our own, is the price for victory. Citizens in a state of permanent war are bombarded with the insidious militarized language of power, fear and strength that mask an increasingly brittle reality. The corpos behind the doctrine of permanent war--who have corrupted Leon Trotsky's doctrine of permanent revolution--must keep us afraid. Fear stops us from objecting to govt spending on a bloated military. Fear means we will not ask unpleasant questions of those in power. Fear means that we will be willing to give up our rights and liberties for security. Fear keeps us penned in like domesticated animals." - Chris Hedges, Taken from The Disease of Permanent War (18 May 2009)

That's 100% correct!
I think that is why I struggled for almost 8 years to do political cartoons, protest art............
I CAN"T It isn't me! I can only express the wonder and the beauty.....................as best I can , and I guess there's more need for that .

I remember when in the late 70s in psych studies, the language began to change subtley but drastically. For instance, FOCUS on a children's particular age group became TARGET children. I was absolutely appalled. And fundies began to absolutely swarm into psych units & Kiddie Prisons, etc. I have lossa creepy stories about that I can sure tell you

In 1871 Germany became an Empire forging alliances with European allies, by 1893 they had effectively isolated themselves from everyone but Austria and 1893 was when their natal Mars (which squared Saturn from Libra to Capricorn) went retrograde. They lost every war after that and effectively destroyed their country forcing reconstruction on every level. Germany did not emerge from that trying time until the 70's when they were able to establish themselves one more with a level of respect and the beginning of prosperity and that was when in 1973 Mars went direct in their natal chart. While it was retrograde Germany failed at every attempt at emprire building and every war, they only hurt themselves and the Germany people lost complete interest in war and empires.

The US natal Mars went retrograde at 18 degrees Libra in 2006 and is making its way back to the US Saturn at 14 degrees Libra. Whatever Empire building or war the US designs to provoke, they will fail and harm the US in the process. I don't think it will be until 2020 before they get the idea that the world is sick of us and we will be sick of ourselves, then we will start rebuilding. If Obama is going down the same "empire" building of the Bush/Cheney years he will regret that decision.

A testament to Cheney's character - Bob Scheiffer on CBS Evening News tonight quoted Cheney as saying if he had to choose, he would take Rush Limbaugh over Colin Powell. Powell will be Scheiffer's guest on Face the Nation this Sunday. Curious to hear if he will have any comments on Cheney.

Never ending warz of the pink boyz. Soooo infantilishly egocentric that all peoplez must pay all attn to them at all timez.

Sally, great observation on Germany and their Mars Rx by progression. I'm sure your interpretation is right. I'm having the same thing happening in my chart, except that it is Saturn that has turned RX by progression, which is returning to square my Mars, as it does in my natal chart. I have been making some interesting observations on the way in which it is affecting my life.

Incidentally, I excelled in algebra and arithmetic, but could not prove the theorems in geometry to save my life, but was fine with constructing angles. I think most females have this problem - supposedly it has to do with differences in how the male brain differs from the female in spatial/logical perceptions. Your dad set a good example for you in the stance that he took. I'm sure you can appreciate it more now than you did then! :)

Appreciate him and his words? Oh no Crystal, I was 15 and it was a good 18 years and nearly 4 kids later before I appreciated him and his wisdom and understanding of kids. My father was kind, rarely given to anger, extremely wise and always the adult. He set many many great examples of how to live life and he always walked his talk, I hated him for it until I was old enough to realize his gifts.

The other night I was watch an old Turner Classic with a very very young Lawrence Olivia (sp?) It was of course about war and swashbuckling young English and French men having a high seas war. The battle of course was to the death for both sides and I thought "lord do these men ever get tired of dying, being maimed, crippled for some governments war? Will they ever stop idealizing their violence, will the women around them ever stop swooning over their missing limbs and war time commissions?" The collateral damage through the centuries has been massive, what is wrong with the male gender? Is this our purpose on earth to 1. fight and kill for money and power and 2. just try to stay out of the way of flying bullets and try to bury our few shekels in the back yard.

Think of the amount of people killed or crippled, the lost land, the stolen homes and money, since the beginning of time it's just mind boggling. The old and new testament is full of this, texts that go back before the Bible is full of it, is that just the purpose of this life. I feel sometimes as if we came here to this earth and then were thrown to the wolves to either eat or be eaten.

I agree with this article at this point, Obama has seemed to or been forced to "step into the big muddy." http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175074/the_pressure_of_an_expanding_war

Gee and there his inaguration happened on a Mercury retrograde and a progressed Mars retrograde. Gooood Mornin' Vietnam.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2009/may/22/oldest-blogger-dies-spain-blog
Well here WE are down the road a way!
MAria Amelia Lopez's posts which chronicled her civil war memories, failing health, leftwing views, and cantankerous humour, attracted a global following. ( b. Dec. 23 1911)

I loved the piece on Lopez, Seestas!

Here's a thot I've had many times... Liz Greene helps out with its expression... regarding the depressed pinks originally from the northern extremes of the planet where, for one thing, they received very little sunshine (vit D). In fact, about half the year was spent in the dark.

* ... The will to live is a great mystery. Every medical practitioner, with any experience of life-threatening illness, knows that the will to live can affect physical as well as psychological well-being, and survival often depends upon the sick person's desire for life, rather than on the doctor's ministrations. Nor is the will to live necessarily what we claim we feel. We may cry out that we want life; but somewhere inside, we want to go home, and this longing for oblivion may be more powerful than any conscious declaration of intent to "get better".

Some people react to conflict, pain and disappointment with a creative response that transforms their perspective and even their circumstances. Other people become bitter and hopeless and live in a grey twilight world, or entirely lose their will to live. There are not only active suicides amongst those who have inwardly given up, but also those self-architected "accidental" deaths which, altho unconscious, are nevertheless fuelled by a powerful yearning to bring an end to suffering and unhappiness.

Self-destructive behaviour does not always involve the obvious gesture of the bottle of pills or the knife slash to the wrist. There is no easy formula to determine why some individuals [or group] rise to life's challenges, despite severe misfortunes and handicaps, while others turn their backs on the future, even if fortune favours them.

Moreover, loss of the will to live may not always result in self-destruction. It may be expressed as the urge to destroy others, as tho, on some deep and inaccessible level, the projection of hopelessness and victimisation onto another gives the suffering individual the illusion that he or she is strong and in control of life. Thus the individual [race or gender] who has, secretly, lost the will to live may, in extremis, try to deprive others of joy--and perhaps even of life--by finding a scapegoat who can be burdened with all the despair that is felt within. ... http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_wounding_e.htm

Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY) was asked what he thought about the President (bush).

"Well," he said, "I really think he shatters the myth of white supremacy once and for all."

(teehee)

THAT wasn't a teehee, it was a deep guffaw!

Has anyone here read The WHite WItch by Elizabeth Goudge?............wonderful........if you can find it.
A shame; reagan's book warehousing law of `1981
( a hefty fee/fine to store books, causing the destruction of many........) was instrumental in preventing the existance of many wonderful books published in the 70's! ( time of rebellion and expansion of consciousness! LAst gasp of the Golden Age of Illustration!)
first shot across the bow of liberalism!
http://cool-palimpsest.stanford.edu/byorg/abbey/an/an05/an05-2/an05-201.html
The 50% cut in the National Endowment for the Humanities has been getting a lot of play in the national press. Fortunately it is not a 50% across-the-board cut in all of the Endowment's programs. Most archival projects are funded through the Research Resources Program in the Division of Research, which in FY 81 had a total of $4.4 million ($3.9 million for organization and improvement projects and $500,000 for conservation projects). Carter had recommended an additional $500,000 for Fl 82 in the conservation line item. Under the Reagan-imposed cuts, the program will be asked to take a 32% cut from the $4.4 million total, leaving approximately $3 million for FY 82.

From googling Congressional records, book storage etc. it appears that they framed it as a "safety, preservation" issue rather than an economic one.
Tom Delay was present & active, that noted scholar!
Just as in 1991, they framed the loss of many paint colors as a safety issue when in reality it was a bottom line more profit, issue!
Maganese blue was lost to arthritis medicine.....
guess who owns the Selesian manganes mines........

Hope that this comes through-when I went to sign in TYPEPAD didn't remember me.
I am checking into some pagan Quaker meetings here in the Berkeley area as a possibility of gaining greater peace in the company of lefties who don't think they have the ticket to heaven/nivana. Oh yes Pluto traveling through my 9th quincunx my sun in the second. The new moon is 3 seconds of a degree past my sun-interesting year this year of retirement with the moon at its mystical darkest point.Happy morning to you all.

I'm curious........WHat is pagan QUaker?
My initial contact with Quaker back in the 50's was, people sitting in the meeting House on Sun. in silent communion, unless some one was so moved to speak on a philosphy of their choice. ( frequent as the format provided protective /sympathetic support for speaking out. And what a wonderful way to develop critical thinking!)
Then there were the action committees addresing community problems with volunteer comunity service.
AS a young MOther of a 4 & 5 year old I wanted to add to the family income with a job, and applied there. They wouldn't hire me until the children were older!
In 1996, the college student advisor invited me to a Wiccan meeting; held in the QUaker meeting house in Portland ME.It was wonderful, a nice group of women.....but my student work job was school librarian, on Monday nights,,,,,,conflicting with the Wiccan schedule, so I could only attend on school holidays.....then following that I had the nighttime bartending job!............

There are Quakers who just don't buy the Christian story and certainly are not interested in heaven-the focus is here in this life now in the world we find ourselves living and this is why I am drawn to then now in this dark of the moon Mercury retrograde solar return with transiting Pluto quincunx the Sun-a year to search out peace within and with my family and community.

"certainly are not interested in heaven-the focus is here in this life now in the world we find ourselves living"
This is interesting!
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article22680.htm
Figures like Screen Actors Guild president,
* Ronald Reagan, and Walt Disney *
told the HUAC that communists threatened the film industry based on hearsay and the tenor of the times - McCarthyism, coined in 1950 for the demagogic senator, infamous for his politically-motivated witch-hunts until his own his own excesses brought him down. ( and *THEY have been winning!)

My I'm in a cynical mood tonight! Guess I;m overdue to turn off the teevee........The NAtional Memorial Service is an over the top maudlin, hypocritical......foolish mess! I just saw the CBS evening news, from Ca,. * No wonder they jacked uo my satilte TV fee, when did I get a CA station? ANd they showed the terrible anti smoking cartoon.
How ome its bad to kill foetuses or chose to endanger oneself, by smoking but we kill foreignersr & SS is endangered. ??

ANd COmmon Dreams, Smirking Chimp are depressing these days...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/24/susan-boyle-sings-memory_n_207237.html

"How ome its bad to kill foetuses or chose to endanger oneself, by smoking but we kill foreigners & SS is endangered. ?? "

You got it, qop! I've been thinking the same. Not to mention noxious industrial chemicals in our soil/water, mowing down citizens in their own countries because a bushaholic doesn't like their "leader" that he & his buds installed in their country. Or how about waste/fumes from trucks, planes, motorcycles, etc. Food additives, everything additives, big pharma "additives," oil slicks, clear cutting forests...burning, chem trails, ship waste, etc. Or how about guns? How about people feeling more & more claustrophobic as Big Brother moves further & further into one's life. How about regulating how many times a couple can do (missionary position only) sex/week in their homes... that happened during the puritan times. How about regulating how many times per minute a person can breathe. Ohmy... I'm just about out of here because I've HAD IT!!

Oh, wait! If low-income persons in subsidized housing must be snooped upon & ordered about by the new puritan control freaks, by extension, so should those who've govt loans... Fanny Mae & Freddie Frump! All those homes/business bldgs (er... houses) need to be invaded/inspected by govt. Well, we know the Constitution/Bill of Rights have been torn up & flushed down the toilet anyway... bushadruggieholic said so. The sick old cootie inquisitioners used to inspect every inch of a women's body before killing her... for the "mark of the devil" & the community's supreme good donchaknow. Another terrorism technique... they're good at that thru long long practice.

Same-old, same-old, same-old... geez I want out of this world. I so wish something really good would happen to benefit beings, but I've been wishing that for decades. Sorry for the sad rant.

Oh... & let's not forget the barking howling neighborhood dogs. Noise polution Big Time. The regular is doing his thing right now... every night it barks. Like Morse Code... 2 hoarse barks, space, two hoarse barks, space....
and hominids who leave their pets' crap on one's lawn... need to put them in the pen or at least a huge fine for extreme aggrevation or wear/tear on nerves.

We know how well prohibition on alcohol went... all that bullsh*t trouble & expense for nothin'... well, the mob sure got big & they/cops sure made a killing. The boyz NEVER EVER learn. Continuously doing the same old thing over & over & over & over but expecting different results. Stupids! Retards!

* North Korea Says It Successfully Conducted A Nuclear Test http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

Now ain't that grand?! They want to be Big Big Boyz along with the pinks. Their weenies must be awfully microscopic, too. Stupids! Retards! Check out the photo of these Stupids.

joannaoregon, I sending you love so that you know how much your pithy, grouchy, demanding intelligence means to me. I have been telling people for years now that the only reason we have the danger of second-hand smoke and the addiction to tobacco is because the college sutdents couldn't get a measure on the particles that really kill us they could only register the particles of second hand smoke. I read this but before the years of the computer so I no longer have access to the study report.
Hang in there with us; know that some of us just plain love you and missed you so.
QOP just smoke away if you can afford it. Trying to keep my sister in tobacco is hard but I do it because I remember when I smoked and the harshness of having no cigarettes. I don't miss the tobacco and I admit I stopped because in part my friends hated the fact that I smoked.

Thanks clymela!.I can't NOT smoke at this point in time. It is taking every ounce of focus to keep things moving forward, finishing ads sending out PR, PAINTING, finding frames that fit the canc vasses I have & can reuse............AND planting the garden, ( including annuals for August.) I can take advantage of naturally growing flowers, dig them up, move them around..........through July.....But in August there is Not much except goldenrod & mullan. ZInnias Cosmos........are a easy and colorful but you have to start them early I am already late! If I had to slap my self down every 5 min. and go for a run to distract from wanting a cigarette, I'd never get ANYTHING DONE!
But the money I;ll save from the DIrect TV = the extra tax on cigs. And it has to go out of the Gallery space, I can't abide most of what is showing...............too busy for the "boob tube".
Biggist problem; getting the smoke smell out of the Gallery.............giant can of fabreze, and cinnamon candles.....smoke breaks AWAY from the computer ( in the GAllery) starting June!
LOL

FRIG!
In a short 125 days...........Obama has become our COMMANDER IN CHIEF keeping us safe..& gas has gone up 40c a gal for the tourist season!
ANd the axis of evil is testing him.
axis of evil............N Korea, Iran/Pakistan/Israel, US GOP, Senate/House!

29 degrees Pices: I think that I remember reading somewhere that it is slightly unstable - the way any 29 degrees of any sign might be...ready to move on to the next degree of the next sign. (Gulp. Aries!)
Also it is at the point of the Fixed Star SHEAT in the constellation of Pegaus. According to Brady in her book on fixed stars, "Ptolomy links the star to Mars and Mercury. Robson associates it with imprisonment, murder, suicide and drowning." (How apt!) "Ebertin implies that if you can get past the mortal accident that awaits you, then SHEAT offers a great flow of mental creativity "( as with Einstein, Newton and Kepler).
So does this maybe point towards the elusive road called Hope?

Nah!

teehee