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Sally I have sensed the changes in your work!
( sort of a no brainer, fund raising /economic crisis)and for me..........the full moon last month;4th 10th Houses..........happened 2 days before the committee decided to award me the grant!
My Grandfather made money because he had to overcome his childhood poverty, ( he gave each of his Grandchildren energy stocks at birth instead of silver spoons). My parents were Tom and Daisy, with a very forward looking new age moral code, but Neptunian and careless, non the less.
Caught in the middle as a child, ( neptune 4th H,) I have grappled with the fear of economic insufficiency this past month or two, and as a result; the price of my new paintings,
(supported by this grant, has just quadrupled! I will make up cards and prints for those who love them and really can't afford an original)
After all the concept has been in the works for 45 years since the last Uranus Saturn opposition...........even if I couldn't make the time to actually work on them! It is the central truth and committment of my life ......therefore of great value!
That said, I bought cigarettes yesterday. The state of Maine has already slapped a $1. tax per pack even before the federal tax in April. I don't know quite how I am going to manage that, BUT War has been declared. I WILL NOT BE RAILROADED by the Govt. to stop smoking! Those paintings are nicotine driven,I will not volentarily submit myself to the HELL of unfocus and distraction, I don't have time!
( Perhaps "her", would be more ahead of the game if allowed to smoke his fool head off in the oval office?)
Working with the very weak carrot of ( "You'll add 10 years to your life if you stop now.") I calculated, how much I would cost the
goverment if I stopped today and lived an extra 10 years,.........not allowing for the C O L increase, because that is yet undetermined......I am worth: $131,640.!!!!!!
NOT EVEN ENOUGH TO BUY A HOUSE!
OUTRAGE is a puny word for what I feel!

This is such a fine, fine piece, Sally. Life changing energy indeed, and for all of us. Those careless Toms and Daisys, so smitten by their farms of ashes, couldn't help but burn everything in their paths. They will pay at some point. For now, though, we're paying. Big time.

I've often wondered about how this economy would impact your paying job, Sally. This has got to be of deep concern. And, there must be a way that we all could help, even if it's a wee bit.

The energies have opened a door for you, qop. Maybe these energies are opening doors for all of us, after of course we get rid of those old structures, or ways of thinking. In our case, it's old structures. An old building we own in Michigan began collapsing this year. It has to be demolished. It will take every penny we've saved.

As to the cigs. . .i remain clueless about this witch hunt, and the sin taxes associated with it, qop. If you really want to raise some capital, tax alcohol; legalize marijuana and tax that. When it comes to it, begin closing up those ridiculous loopholes granted to people of means.

joanna. . .maybe the pope is in the wrong career. Comedian would better suit him.

And this. . .Ralfee at her finest.

http://stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0009388.HTM

Sally-thank you and I will write later with my response to your thoughts (once again so inspiring) but I just had to jump in here to say: I just sent along this quote-the opening passage from fitsgerald) last month to my Yalie commute partner who was pondering the wastefulness of the previous administration-I just yelped when I saw it this morning. I love that passage for describing what is going on.

Well I am not a happy camper: I just wrote many words in response to your generous offering and didn't copy it before posting and the system ate my offering (fat slob)saying that I was not signed in but I was. Well my crippled hands and warped mind will not allow me to repeat right now.
Thank you Sally. I love this offering-that wonderful practical Kansas intellect comes through offering problem solving over lynching. Love to you.

Watching CSPAN on the House. Seems to me that this has been set up to ruin all the desired changes for the regular people. I wonder what someone had on Geithner or Obama to force this destructive and ugly bonus thing.
I apologize now to those more evolved than I but i hate Republicans and I don't understand why the Democrats don't just pound on Bush and the set-up (they fell for it)around the original bail out. why can't the Dems admit that they were tricked because of their own greed and then get back to really governing? I think that the "invisable men" would have a hard time trashing all the Democrats in congress at the same time.

I'm NOT evolved & I want the French to hand over some of their guillotines & we'll set to work whacking off stupid greedy haids! [WHWAAAAAACK!!!!!}

[Same-old same-old same-old same-old...]

Sally this is so inspired, as always you connect the historical dots. You could draw a family tree with the connections these families have to each other and to the national crisis's they have instigated. It would be so nice to close that chapter in humanity's history, these same people have laid waste all over the world.

In every case the people picked up their pitch forks and said enough then used them. Americans as a whole are a particularly uncivilized bunch.

The guillotine would be too quick. I'd rather these guys lost their wealth and had to deal with poverty, tainted foods, working for minimum wage.

A much more mature response, Morgana, but I'm not there yet... mebbe never. They could be laid on the guillotine face up so they could see it coming! Whack the other haid first to install in their soul memory to never produce misery dealers again!!!

There's a notion out in general community that when once one experiences abuse, they "know" how it feels & never carries on the said behavior. Not So... just the opposite! So much for "karma."

Madam LaFarge, wiccan Lady of the Old Religion, knew exactly what she was doing.

Sally, I absolutely loved this piece, what a great picture you wove!

Joannaoregon,

You said:
"There's a notion out in general community that when once one experiences abuse, they "know" how it feels & never carries on the said behavior. Not So... just the opposite! So much for "karma."

I've always been of the notion that the spirit continually reincarnates til it gets it right, and this is the school where we grow. That being said, fetid individuals such as Cheney and Bush were disgusting depraved individuals in a previous incarnation and probably wreaked havoc then as well, the likes of Richelieu, or Rasputin, any number of Kings and Clergy from the Middle-Ages as well as peasants, merchants, artists all kinds of folks living dieing living again.

Pres is one funny guy! But then he is a LEo!
Watching him on Leno!

Here's the transcript/video.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/20/obama-on-tonight-show-wit_n_177206.html

And here is the back story!
http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22247.htm
It was the struggle for financial sovereignty that precipitated the American Revolution when the (Rothschild) Bank of England forced the colonies to give up their Scrip and intense poverty followed.

That war never ended.

qop, Timmy and all. . .

I've wondered from the beginning of the economic drama if this meltdown has been planned. Economic terrorism is a very effective way to consolidate power.

http://mindbodypolitic.com:80/?p=1141

Lowering interest rates to zero as the fed did yesterday while dumping a trillion electronic dollars into the system seems to be counter to insuring bank stability. Something fishy here, very stinky.

Morgana. . .while i too believe we re-manifest in third-density form, many times, we still remain connected to one another. This is what continues to confound me. Primarily it requires that i drop any preconceived notion of "right" and "wrong." But, I don't know how to suspend judgement of those who are rabidly violent; who rape, plunder and pillage. Are those entities antithecal to our energy manifestation? In other words, would we know the light if it weren't for the dark?

The Sun magazine had an interview with Dr. Leslie Gray, who has a doctorate in clinical psychology AND practices shamanism. One thing that struck me is the technique of drumming to enter altered states of consciousness. After reading the interview i though, damn! Maybe we all need to start drumming like crazy! :)

Karen,
I love drumming. When I first moved up to the Bay Area a friend of mine took me to a drumming circle out on wetlands by the Bay. Completely zen, I loved it. I have a dumbek but I want a Native American drum. I've a gal friend in Ohio that is working on making Native American drums to sell, so I'm excited about getting one.

qop - Wonder if we'll throw that monkey off our back once and for all? If we can leave our grandchildren free of the moneyed family's clutches we will have done our job! :)

"One thing that struck me is the technique of drumming to enter altered states of consciousness."

Indeed it does, Karen! My own experience was Fire Walking with a group in deep forest here in Oregon. There was an ongoing build-up ceremony, but drumming was the underlying thread of the experience. I didn't know if I would actually walk or not. I remember standing at the head of the fire path that was of considerable length thinking first: dang! that'll hurt like hell! Then, all scientific with "mebbe the feet produces a moisture film... " Then, "YAHOOOOOO!!! Here I GO!!!" Not a burn or ache. Gave me lots of food for thot on alternative states of consciousness.

Oh... watching others Walking & getting away with it was the key!

Same for criminals & criminal activity I would think.

This is a test, I might have finally gotten on we will see.

Several things have come up today and it tickles me pink. First of all "Happy Spring," I love spring

GOOD NEWS

Bernie Madoff must stay in prison until sentencing, the LA Times had an article that the US love affair with people with money and the belief that they are better is waning.The hold multinationals have had on the world may finally be loosening somewhat. Someone has been arrested for changing voting slips in 2004, AG Holder has re-opened the easy access to government records under the Sunshine Law, now you don't have to "prove" why you want them as they did in the Bush administration, now you can just ask for them under The Freedom of Information Act.

Slowly things are loosening up in the US and slowly the mega companies and banks are slipping and losing ground.

OMG, I am on, finally it's been corrected. Anyone who has problems just go to your profile page and change your password.

The thing about the Saturn/Uranus transit is "it always turns out the same way." Funny really, I trust Uranus to turn everything on it's ear, he always has and I think will continue to do so.

Thanks for your thoughtfulness regarding my work, it's not just me, the foundation where I work simply isn't going to be able to continue much longer and it's a pity they've done such good work for women and moving women into positions of leadership. As for me, my natal Moon is in my sixth house of work and health and is the ruler of my 10th house of career. Pluto is squaring my natal Moon (transformation) and Neptune is squaring my Sun and Venus from the 5th to the 2nd house. It worries me what that might bring, gotta get my health checked before medicare runs out or changes (Obama keeps talking about SS and Medicare as an entitlement, which it isn't and people need to start shouting that it isn't an entitlement, no one had a choice but to pay into it.) But Uranus is in a trine to my Sun and Venus so that might be some unexpected good luck. I don't want to go into a Neptune denial and I will keep looking for a job and move to a less expensive place. I will keep AW as long as I can and perhaps put more energy into my astrology as a primary career.

I will need to move to a less expensive dwellings but I think I will find something delightful.

OMG, Sally..........That means pluto is in your 4th H? ergo the need to move?
I found my delightful cabin when pluto a went into my 4th H, and it WAS delightful! May you have the same luck.
Can you start writing that book now? Seems like the time for it.
More later gotta post my seed order before the PO closes.

The Boston Globe has an article on Howard Dean. If you are a Howard Dean person then you will enjoy the read.

The very last paragraph of the article:

When Dean visited Oxford Union, he instructed students not to repeat what he described as his generation's mistakes.

"Don't ever put politics aside," he said, backlit through stained glass in an unheated gothic chamber. "If you take a vacation from politics, you let other people do your talking for you."

http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2009/03/20/democrat_outside_looking_in/

Tiny url

http://tinyurl.com/depvmh

Oh no qop, it will be about 7 years before Pluto is in my 4th house, it is only half way through my third house, however Mars has progressed (Solar Arc) to my 4th house cusp. As of right now, the Foundation is looking to restructure and they will keep me on for at least a few more months but at a reduced salary, I'm about the only person they are keeping on.

Sally, welcome back.
qop, thank you for posting that through article.
Karen, I'll throw something radical out here. Suppose we as a group consciousni, all humans, decided to develop our left brain, which meant descending lower and lower into denser and denser vibrations until our home became known as the plain of friction. That adventure would require courage as we would experience great pain and restriction through the bodies we inhabited and habits we would practice. A dual nature would come to the fore and some of us would become left brain sick the end justifying the means.
Once the left brain was fully developed we would re-ascend connecting left to right, but there would be stragglers of various sorts. As we are all connected we would want none left behind. The leaders among us would call for love as none of our eternal souls would be in any danger.........I may be trans-political, but I also have weird ideas.

Nameste', Timmy J

19 States are looking into AIG and Connecticut has subpoena Liddy. This is going to be interesting. When they let Lehman go that was what led to the worldwide immediate crisis, and that's where the "too big to fail" came in. My goodness.

Karen in light of your posted article, this is an interesting "banking" movement.

http://commongoodbank.com/different.html

Wow, Sally. I won't have Pluto in my fourth until it's in Pisces (Sometime in my 80s or 90s). But I have had Uranus there for years, and I can tell you about the changes in homelife. I stopped being a renter and became an owner (tied one way-permanent residence) the other (free from a landlord). My advice is to look for unconventional housing of some kind.

Depending on your age, you may qualify for subsidized housing for seniors which costs less or cohousing. Use your contacts!

No career stuff for me yet-have to return to school for that....

Thanks CarolJ, I already had both Neptune and Uranus to my 4th house cusp several years ago when they were conj. in Capricorn (they decided to camp out on my 4th house cusp, along with my progressed Sun and Venus and I did go through an upheaval at that time.

Good luck on school, what do you want to do?

Welcome back Sally I admit that I found the situation with TYPEPAD funny in a weird way-wouldn't let Sally in?
So sorry to hear about the foundation and your place within it. i must say that reading your thoughts about the support of this site caused me to suck in my breath-never thought of that!! I can understand the smaller less expensive place to live, the change in lifestyle but Astroworld?? I come here first thing everyday. How about subscriptions? I haven't been donating but I will and would love to know just how much you need-I am far from wealthy especially these days of extended family,etc here with us but I can and will come up with bucks for Astroworld.

Bless your heart Clymela, I am trying to figure out exactly what and how I am going to do this. I would absolutely appreciate donations however I think tons of people need every dime they can garner for themselves or their families. But we may all be in a position of "buddy can you spare a dime." The best thing I can think of for all of us is to day dream all being well, to think well of others and of ones self.

Well my idea is that when money is tight we want to keep our bucks in the community-this site is part of my community and I can help and want to. I bet there are several here who agree with me.

Yep, Clymela... it's long past due since I've donated. Will need directions again on how to do that. Miss Sally? ;O)

Sally, I want to write and finish that Communications Degree so I can do something other than pound a keyboard all day for a living. I want to pay off my enormous Student Loan debt. I want to finally finish college. I want to have a personal life with someone other than my cat. Just a few things for starters.

Sally, it's so easy for us to forget that so many blogs are dependent upon someone who must go to work every day and write between paying the bills. I will donate something to you next week-it won't be much, but every bit helps.

One thing that this crisis emphasises is the need for a safety net. For years Republicans have tried to get millions to ignore their very economic fragility and have gotten them to on the basis of racism, to denounce welfare and other means for the unemployed to survive hard times. Now millions find themselves unemployed through no fault of their own and struggle with needless guilt and shame.

* AIG bonuses total more than the reported $165 million

The CT atty general reveals there was at least $218 million in retention pay; $55 million of it went out in Dec. ... http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-aig-more-bonuses22-2009mar22,0,3609134.story

I'm in...............
Need protection of the world's insanity! I am watching Brent Bozell from the Media Research Center...........Joe T P, that conservative blonde twit from McLAughlin group, judge the worst journalism award....... ( Bill Mahr) joe the regular guy in shit kickers ( Bozell tie & tux) & plaid hunting shirt. ( Cspan)
I just read the 9 page Rolling Stones explanation of the financial meltdown, and understood the entire thing with crystal clarity..............
BUT these people MAKE NO SENSE!
Now Brit hume has won some kind of award.......
They're like bats hanging up side down in a pitchblack barn???????????????
It's NO WONDER AMERICANS ARE MISINFORMED.
I'm going to go finish the laundry!

They're like bats hanging up side down in a pitchblack barn???????????????

Aren't they now qop. I am not sure it's completely their fault that they are clueless, I think we (the populist) raised money and those who made tons of money up so far they assumed they were that smart, that worthy, that superior. It's as if we gave them the keys to Willie Wonka's Chocolate Factory with no rules and they were disconnected from humanity when they went. We are to blame too with our adulation of movie stars, sports stars, Wall Street stars, the Monarchy, we gave them the keys to the factor and didn't say you cannot be gluttons.

The people who in Connecticut protested outside the mansions of a couple of bonus recipients might have gotten a hint of the down side of being spoiled, but I doubt it, not yet. This government gave them a legal license to steal and they did a good job of it and don't quite get why they shouldn't be well compensated for the good job of being legal crooks. It's not the people or banks who have to change, it's the culture and that change has to start with us, we have to continue beating the drum for regulations so they will know what's morally and ethically wrong.

Guys, I have always been embarrassed about asking for donations and reluctant to do so but I do appreciate your offers. On the front page is a spot that says "donations" and it's through pay pal. Or you can email me and I will give you my address.

They have laid off 150.000. postal workers. I'll use the snail mail approach Sally. I have your address from the calendar order.
The hanging bats were members of the RW media.
sorry I didn't make that clear. Media Research Center= media version of Heritage foundation.
Maybe it's because they grew up with Willie Wonka? Confused their view of reality in childhood? My kids were young adults when it came out & I was too busy painting murals to watch TV so I never saw it until 2001. I was appalled!
Now I am watching The Future of Food on Link TV.
One method of penatrating the DNA of plant life is, the use of bacteria, inserted into the DNA of the host plant. They have used that method ( e-coli) to penetrate the corn DNA. 80% of the corn crop is now GM because of the nature of wind pollination.
COULD THAT be the source of the mysterious e-coli
outbreak that they couldn't trace last summer?
Every body eats corn, you can scarcely avoid it!
Man! This show is worse than the RW media folks!
Whatever happened to Carol Burnett?

Sally, the good bank link may just catch on. I switched all banking to credit unions years ago. Maybe 20-something years ago for even at that time it was worrisome that the FED -- that empire building entity void of consciousness -- was planning something dastardly. And VOILA! now we have it.

The media IS willingly trumping the sordid AIG story in order to avoid the FED investigation that needs to be done!

Yes, the Rolling Stone story was great. I hope they follow up with more of the story, like an explanation of how and why Moody's rated various stock. Is Moody's just another FED front?

This is shock and awe in application to the world's financial system. The perpetrators of this terrorism have some plan in mind. I can't quite figure it out. Whatever it is, i have a deep feeling that it's going to backfire, that -- as Sally has indicated time and again -- the shock may trigger a whole new consciousness.

Since I watched the Future of Food last night, toodays Times is a bit of balm!

Is a Food Revolution Now in Season? NYT March 22
The most vocal booster so far has been the first lady, Michelle Obama, who has emphasized the need for fresh, unprocessed, locally grown food and, last week, started work on a White House vegetable garden. More surprising, perhaps, are the pronouncements out of the Department of Agriculture, an agency with long and close ties to agribusiness.

In mid-February, Tom Vilsack, the new secretary of agriculture, took a jackhammer to a patch of pavement outside his headquarters to create his own organic “people’s garden.” Two weeks later, the Obama administration named Kathleen Merrigan, an assistant professor at Tufts University and a longtime champion of sustainable agriculture and healthy food, as Mr. Vilsack’s top deputy.
( it appears Mr Vilsack, ( a new Grandfather) has had a "come to jesus moment" concerning food consumption
The link is too long to post but I think you can all google NYT.
Toxic R Us Maureen Dowd NYT Mar 22.
"The tableau of Michelle Obama hoisting a pitchfork on Friday with her sinewy arms and warning that the commander in chief would be commandeered into yard work left me wondering if the wrong Obama is in the Oval."

I've wondered that myself qop about Michelle Obama, there is great power in that woman.

Credit Unions are good and for the most part more solvant than banks, they are also more friendly. I feel like I've stepped back into the old bank when I go into mine.

The world is truly being turned upside down! I think of all the years I tried to get hired at the Postal Service. I even tried to get on temporarily during the Christmas Season last year...and there was no announcements! That should have told me something right there.

To me the irony is that my current agency, the IRS, is the most stable of all jobs I could have taken right now. Our funding is increased, and we've actually hired new people, brought back both our files and soon will have debt collection back. There will probably be more jobs elsewhere at Treasury for auditors and inspectors and customer service of all kinds.

I think we will all be working for the Federal Government in some capacity for a while as a common experience. We haven't even begun to ramp up for jobs that will need to be done when the wounded veterans really come home.

A link:

http://www.mercyhousing.org/ (Based in Denver)

Carol-I have worked in a civil Service job for many years and I continue to love the organization and the accountability. civil Service has been maligned and nearly destroyed by the neo-cons and the big money boys who want to outsource everything so that they can squeeze more cash out of everything. I am getting ready to retire on a pension and SSA. this is the old Civil Service vision in action. When I was young and raising my daughter I wished that I could get my hands on the retirement pension withdrawal but these past years when the withholding has been three times what it was when I was younger I have never complained and now that day is here that "they said would come.
Has IRA been privatized? If so that is tooo bad. I have only witnessed a deterioration of service as things go"private".

Carol-I meant to ask if the IRS has been privatized. And I was referring to the withdrawal from my paycheck monthly to create the fund for the pension. I should have edited before posting.

I wondered if the IRS was privatized, I heard that it was, but I don't know for sure. Government jobs have always been considered stable, and a recent government report has found that by privatizing several of the government agencies, they have not saved the government money or efficience. Seems that all the jokes made about Civil Servants are incorrect and they do a very good job and for less.

Most of the IRS is still run by the Feds. But some bill collection and Files (Where the final tax forms end up) were privatized. Congress canceled the outsourcing of bill collecting and Files are now back under the IRS umbrella. The union objected to both. Bill collecting proved to be not as efficient and I know Files wasn't.

I worked in Files during the transition period to the contractor. From what I heard, people were hired there for only one year and the turnover was ridiculous. (Nobody wanted a job that lasted only one year). Now the contractor is gone, and there are new jobs.

I read where the Social Security Administration's overhead is only 3%. Since civil servants can't make more than the President, there are no million dollar salaries available for working for the Federal Government. Federal Executives Make $100,000-$200,000 a year at the top of the mountain. Compare that to AIG or Blackwater or the contractors.

That's what I'm sayin", Carol and Sally, as the kids say. And Medicare is better than IRS/SSA so if there were single payer and the Feds were single payer with the Civil Service rules our health care costs would plummet.
The ony reason we are not doing this is the money certain individuals make on the private sector insurance. for those of us with out burning amibtion to be richer than everyone we know Civil Service is wonderful and even if protected and built up would never prevent anyone from going out and making trillions if they want we would not necessarily have to do away with private insurance although what is to prevent private companies from chaging as they have asked all of us to change?

The CEO at JP Morgan doesn't understand why people are upset at corporate America or at their salaries. I guess humility doesn't come easy. There is such a disconnect between the Wall Street mentality and main, or you could say between conservative mentality and liberal, but we need to work together, to try and understand. How does one (Obama) change a culture (Wall Street) how does the government get us all to work together. I think the obvious belief that corporate deserves to make over three hundred percent more than the average worker is something that has gotten out of hand in this country. The concept that only "corporate" is important in this country has done more to divide the rich and the poor than anything else. It's main street that has become "the problem" for Washington and Wall Street and we don't have a leader out here in main street such as a MLK to help our voices to be heard.

Mt Redoubt blew early this AM. Here's the web cam
http://www.avo.alaska.edu/webcam/Redoubt_-_CI.php
Not much happening now but it might erupt again!

Exactly!! Sally. We need a leader to speak for us and to us. that leader will not be coming from the corporation world, that leader will have to come from the grass roots and will not be someone close to Soros or Gates or the banks or the insurance/big pharma/big medicine. I wish that we could relax and trust the big guys (both man and women are now the "big guys")but already I believe that we can see that we can't.
Everything is tainted now even the push to green.etc. This is all the globalization folks steering us toward living off our gardens and each other's talents while they rake in the profits off our slave labor. However, once Pluto is through Capricorn we will have a clearer picture.

More Cheney Bush torture memo's, with explicit detail, as Sally said all of Bush's programs would be revealed and unraveled.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/190362

Over objections from the U.S. intelligence community, the White House is moving to declassify—and publicly release—three internal memos that will lay out, for the first time, details of the "enhanced" interrogation techniques approved by the Bush administration for use against "high value" Qaeda detainees. The memos, written by Justice Department lawyers in May 2005, provide the legal rationale for waterboarding, head slapping and other rough tactics used by the CIA. One senior Obama official, who like others interviewed for this story requested anonymity because of the issue's sensitivity, said the memos were "ugly" and could embarrass the CIA. Other officials predicted they would fuel demands for a "truth commission" on torture.

Because of an executive order signed by President Obama on Jan. 22 banning such aggressive tactics, deputies to Attorney General Eric Holder Jr. concluded there was no longer any reason to keep the interrogation memos classified. But current and former intel officials pushed back, arguing that any public release might still compromise "sources and methods." According to the administration official, ex-CIA director Michael Hayden was "furious" about the prospect of disclosure and tried to intervene directly with Obama officials. But the White House has sided with Holder. Faced with a court deadline in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit regarding the memos filed by the ACLU, Justice lawyers asked for a two-week extension "because the memoranda are being reviewed for possible release." (White House, Justice and CIA spokesmen all declined to comment.)

Even more will come out on the Bushes George, particularly where Poppy is concerned. The Triple Conjunction of Chiron, Jupiter and Neptune will make a direct hit on his South Node at 26 Aquarius in May. Dirty dealings, indeed. I wouldn't be surprised if the torture memos point to his hand or "indirect" involvement in this mess. Poppy was once director of the CIA, after all, for a brief time, but he was in the organization well before that, and I'm not convinced that he ever truly left.

On a not all that unrelated subject, look at the fallout from the financial implosion in the capitals of industry and finance: Detroit and New York. I've been thinking for awhile now that one key city has yet to fall: Houston, capital of Oil. When Houston bears the figurative stench of carrion like Detroit, its' industry in shambles with no hope of recovery along the beaten path, then we will know that the beast of empire and those who worship at its' altar, really have been brought down to their knees.

It might not necessarily seem so, but things are moving right along. With the CEOs, bankers and executives, all of them "Gordon Gekkos" of Wall Street, falling from grace now, the self-serving, equally corrupt and worthless political dynasties of the US, propped up by the soon to be former monied elities, are right in line to go down next. I used to think that it would come at the behest of angry mobs with pitchforks and long knives, but now I wonder if these people will just become powerless and ineffective, and no one will have to care what becomes of them.

Very interesting and detailed perspective on the future...

Astrological predictions for 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2020, 2030, 2050, 2080 and years ahead

2009

The preliminaries astrological events of a big world change continue. These have began in mid 2008. In this year, the spring is full of intensity as Uranus continues an opposition to Saturn, and Jupiter joins with Neptune and Chiron, in Aquarius. This is a revolutionary and epic conjunction. The deconstruction of some portions of our society continues, with back and forwards steps.

Highlights are:
A mid April conjuntion of Uranus-Mars, promising full energy and activity; followed shortly by Mars progressing into Aries: may trigger new wars and tensions, military activity, and in general great actions, riots, great moves and decisions in people lifes. The economy may inflate again. There is an impulsive mood. Also because Uranus enters in square orb with Pluto.

the whole month of May featuring the epic Neptune-Jupiter-Chiron tripple conjunction, this is related to floods, epic events, and great activity in science or religion. This is optimal for group activity, scientific advances, and revolutionary moves. A highly idealistic and perhaps confusing time.

mid August to mid September, this is the stronger aspect this year. The Saturn-Uranus opposition is activated and triggered by a forming grand-cross with Mars and Pluto; there will probably be another wave of economical depression, job losses, and perhaps a great stock market crash. Society will feel greater energies of deconstruction and transformation.

October: a forming Saturn-Pluto square. this could mean traditionally war, economic depression, an heavier period, with fears and a sense of brutality. There could be a couple of riots and revolution in one or two countries.

2010

Grand cross in Spring and Summer. After the introspective winter months, the months from March to August promise a return to great activity. Great moves by a part of the population, maybe due to important life decisions, probably connected with the overall global change. This feels as a year of depression, like 1931, since there is this grand-cross. Scientific discoveries and announcements could be amazing. Much technology surging. Much corruption and secrets come to surface. Impulsive and active moods from May onwards. In 2010 and 2011 there could be greater wars and natural disasters due to the grand-cross. Changes increase further.

2011

April to August bring new intensity, probably the beggining of the next great depression, as Uranus crosses well beyond 0º Aries into the more fiery energies of this cardinal sign, and as in this spring the square between Uranus and Pluto begins! Finally, we have a long septile series between Eris, Neptune and Pluto! A global sense of change. Widespread fight for values. Continuation of the technology breathrough. Focus in geological/weather important changes. This period of change is reaching a climax peak. I would say that a crescendo of changes relates to social and economy deconstruction, secrets coming out, people changin radically their lifes and awakening to more spiritual things, weather and geological big changes, and sea levels rising. Overall, the population of the world will decrease significantly during the years ahead. It's a cleaning and a great leveling.

2012

Mid year brings full strengh Pluto-Uranus square, and Uranus entering 10º Aries, traditionally a region of great power and change. There is more risk of a full blown economic depression and global conflicts this year, or also natural changes like weather o geological events. There is a marked cut from a global culture to a more localized and self-sufficient lifestyle this year, and also great changes start to happen in both science and religious fields. This will be an exciting year, a year of a climax in world change.

2013 and 2014

Continuation of global depression, localized economy, a few weather and geological changes, people will not be part of great cities and a global high-tech culture but instead focus in their own lives and local groups or families. Governments go to political extremes. Much change in people's lifestyles and novelty not unlike the sixties. There will be a sense of unbelievable change of these last years is compared to 2008, like it happened in 1969 or during the thirties. A climax and peak of change. The years 2015 to 2017 will bring much reorientation in people lifes, like the years of 2011 to 2014 also brought, but now more peacefully accepted. Slowly the light at the end of the tunnels surges.

2018-2025

This will be a period of revolution. One or two important revolutions may happen in important countries, with the impact of the American and French revolutions. Look at the years around 2022. There may be wars and decisions in certain parts of the world that change those regions in definitive. This is the years to look for a change in most parts of the world, now reaching towards peace and compromise. The economy depression continues, but the important changes in the socio-economic-political system during these years will be far-reaching into the future, as well as the focus in the more localized and green lifestyles. Energies for transportation will change. Transportation itself may change. Ecological changes and focus. A new world order or goverment may begin now. A great sense of renewal.

2027-2032

Prosperity returns now to a much changed society, with an incredible step forward. A boom of technology, mostly low-energy and green-based. Probably free-energy starts becoming explored. A great increase in the internet, communication, space travel, etc...

2032-2100

There will be highlights of change during this century, mainly around 2048, and then 2060 and again by 2080. The foundations of the society will be mainly changed during the first three decades, followed by greater changes in the way than mankind sees spirituality, health and the ecology around. The years around 2048 will bring possible climatic and geological disruptions, with society focusing further in local system instead of the global greeds and intrigues. By 2060-2080 there will be probably great emphasis in spiritual transformation of people, maybe since there will be important spiritual and religious inspiring leaders, leading to radical transformation in the beliefs and attitudes of people. By 080 the world will be a much different place, based more on trust, space contact, spiritual advance, and local group and rural and local-based economies, in constrast and in parallel to clean high-tech sustainable cities.

http://astrotransits.blogspot.com/2009/03/astrological-predictions-for-2009-2010.html

Thanks for the heads up, NEObuckeye-insomnia- awake at 3am here at the end of land in the US.
Sally, I was listening to Joe Scarborough whining about how the lawmakers have never had to make payroll or run a company. I thought "jeez! most of us have not "made payroll"or run a company and this is exactly what has gone wrong. Our country has been taken over by the bosses and many of those folks are limited in the spiritual development.
Also,Sally-was your foundation affected by the Madoff thing? Just wondering. Will email you today .

insomnia here on the other coast too. We had a howling wind with snow.....moaning and shrieking around the 2nd story roof. My house is directionally a northeast southwest axis, and seems to be an obstacle to the natural flow of the wind.
However, I had an opportunity to lie in bed without my glasses and study the photo prints I plan to paint from......and saw them from a different perspective!
Neo, I guess I am going to miss the renaissance.......although I had a preview from my s YWCA Indigo, art students a few years ago.....at least I feel I have made a contribution!

Great posts!

In keeping with secrets being divulged. . .we'll have to read between the lines and this latest bit of news. So who and what is behind this one? And, will China get what it wants?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102283007

Secrets revealed, in every direction..........

http://cityboy.thelondonpaper.com/profile/

You have to read his columns. I am watching his story on D W N J.
He spent 12 years earning heaps of money in the investment banking field...'till he had a motorcycle accident & a crisis of conscience, and started wroting an anonymous column about the banking world ( the real dirt)

Link TV has a special series running..How to Survive 2009.

Karen-don't you think that the push for a global exchange is the thoughts of the globalists? Wouldn't a universal tender make the trade of the globalists much easier and cheaper?
qop- I am dragging now. Hope you are warm in the snow. I remeber spring storms being very wicked.

Yes the wind was wicked, ( stopped now)
I have a 6' wire shelf with wood laid over some of the shelves. ( Hardware store discard, once used to display nail screws etc. Perfect for stacking small firewood. I emptied it first last month as it held my own seasoned cut logs.... and with the tarp taped around it it caught wind and toppled right over! ( blocking the back door ) Once emptied the trash can tried to blow down the road.
( never lacking for ways to fill your time around here!)
But I built a smashing fire ( I guess the wood is fnally becoming seasoned) and kept it going all day.......too hot in here now! That's OK!

qop, maybe, maybe not. Who is to say that you won't be present for the renaissance of the 2020s in some form or another?

Oh Neo, I read that through too fast.........I will only be 78-84, during the revolution. I guess I will still be able to brandish a pitchfork. Then I can sit back and enjoy the results!

Sally et all, there is some confusion regarding Martin Armstrong's dates. He came through on March 19th, but there is some opinion he is calling for a market crash of some kind April 23. Is there an astrological aspect of significant tension of around that time? I'm away from home and can't access my software.....Thanks

Hi Sally and everyone,

As we all know this crunch is being felt around the world. I think that is because the charts of so many countries are being touched by Pluto. There will be ups and downs between now and November but I believe the worst will come in early November when transit Saturn joins with the Pluto affliction already present in so many charts.

I could post a link to my Photobucket album where you could see the charts but I think I will list the various connections here so that you can see how many countries will be affected at the same time or within days of each other. The timing is important because some of the progressed chart angles are affected and those contacts will only be made around that time (secondary progression Q2 Mean Quotidian angles).

7 of the charts are natals, 3 are secondary progressions of which only Australia's progressed angles are the only points involved - the other progressed charts have planetary positions involved so the alignments would stay regardless of the angle progression used.

The period of time is from November 5 through November 14. I have chosen November 9 as the central point in time of that period. All positions are given in longitude - NOT right ascension. (I place the sign after the minutes because I want to)

Transit Saturn noon Wash, D.C 1°08' Libra
Transit PLuto 1°32' Cap

Natals:

England: Uranus 1°54' Libra

France: IC 1°40' Libra, W.Pt 1°24' Cap

Italy: Mercury 1°12'Can

Mexico: Pluto 2°41' Can

Russia: Saturn 29°23' Pisces

P Moon 0°39' Aries, P Saturn 1°01' Aries

Sibly: MC 1°03' Libra, E.Pt. 0°53' Cap

Switzerland: Mars 0°56' Libra

In addition the Sun and Mars will transit Canada and Germany's natal Saturn's by conjunction and square in the next few days after the 9th.

Progressions:

Australia: IC 1°34' Libra, W.Pt. 1°19' Cap

Israel: Mercury 2°12' Can

Japan: Mercury 2°04' Can

Because so many national charts are being affected at the same time I think it is the most likely time for a financial collapse or shakeup if there is to be one as I don't think all of these governments are going to fail or be overthrown at the same time.

Note: After an earlier post I made concerning this period of time someone remarked that Nancy was or had posted about this time period on her blog. I sent data concerning the transits covering the time between Dec 31 2007 through Nov 21 2009 to Nancy in May of 2008 while she was at UAC. Just want everyone to know I have been looking at this period of time for quite awhile now - since 2007 at least and have not taken any of my information from Nancy.

Bob

Great work Bob. I've been following this aspect for quite awhile too (it aspects some of my planets in the negative) I haven't wanted to post it because it seems we are always waiting for the other shoe to fall and we aren't even past the Saturn/Uranus opposition, but I am glad you did because I have not looked at this from any other country except the UK. I am following the Federal Reserve Bank, the NYSE and Wall Street.

The NYSE has Neptune at 1 degree Cancer

The Federal Reserve Bank has a natal Sun Pluto opposition, with Sun at 1 Capricorn and Pluto at 0 Cancer.

Wall Street's NN is 2 Libra and in Nov. the progressed Sun will be at 0 Capricorn.

I think it all adds up to the perfect storm, but while we (the people) feel the fall out, we won't be the only ones feeling the pinch.

Hi Bob, nice bit of research there thanks for posting it. More to mull over.

For those who don't know Bob (because he doesn't post often enough here) he is a first class premier well known astrologer and I am very appreciative of Bob sharing some of his research. So thanks Bob.

One of my favorite (now deceased) authors -- Gary Jennings -- focused on various histories through fiction. He wrote Aztec, and follow-ups; The Journeyer (which i am now reading) is about Marco Polo. Woven through the books are descriptions of cities and civilizations that have experienced upheaval and loss. Upheavals are usually caused by some invading, marauding army, some fueled by religious ideology.

In many ways the derivitive markets -- and their smug offsprings -- are fueling the next great upheaval. The almost religious furvor of entitlement, and gobbling up the resources of others is no different than that of other marauders. Accept this time, it impacts the entire world.

Thank you, Bob. And Sally, and Morgana, and Nancy -- for all of you have been seeing these transformative energies coalescing.

Amen Karen and thank you Bob and thank you Sally for this sight and thank you Morgana for your wise insights and thank you qop for keeping us on the track. This new moon trine my saturn moon pluto conjunction midpoint and I feel it. In the 12th house this lunation inspires me to be of service and I am willing to serve-also opposes the 12th house ruler of neptune in the 6th.
really didn't mean this to be so much about me that just came out.
Another aside-I love Howard Dean slapping the TV critics into place. I know he may be too rough for some but I love him and such a breath of fresh air after the Nevada senator whispering and rubbing his hands together while the press and Republicans savage Obama and all the plans to get us out of this ditch. Everytime he comes on and sets the record straight I just cheer and stand up singing "that's what I'm sayin". Subtlety is lost on this daughter of the proletariat I often rely on my Yalie commute partner to explain the finer points of the Obama plan. Howard Dean does a wonderful job of that too. By the way the Yalie is a basketball guy with regular games-I think this helps his following Obama-think team, team, team plan. The point is to help the team win the stars are not so important.

I can see some editing required but couldn't figure out how to get the above out of preview. Forgive my clumsiness-I just get so excited with all of you.

Sally stay warm and hunkered down there in Denver the news says you are going to get clobbered.

Did anyone get the time Obama's Cyber-Hall ended?

Interesting way to bring on the new moon, which occurred at 12:06 pm edt in Washington DC. I've been buried in work and will try to get some thoughts up. The information Bob put up noting the hits to other nations coming up makes you want to see the bigger picture and not just our microcosm.

Thank you everyone for the kind words but I am just the researcher , so busy looking for personal and historical data that I don't have (or take) time to comment much on things - but you all do such a wonderful job that my input wouldn't add much.

The angles of my relocated chart are also hit by the Saturn-Pluto square but on the beginning side of things in late October.

Many other familiar names will have their charts hit by that square. President Obama's Venus receives a direct hit. Vice President Biden's progressed Mars, natal Neptune, and progressed Moon and Neptune. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's progressed Mercury.

But looking at President Obama's charts It looks to me as though he is ok giving me hope that we may have a difficult pill to swallow but things will be alright. I wonder if he might pull-off an end run against the established powers that be in our government and financial world. Perhaps something like a structured reorganization (Saturn-Pluto) of our financial system in which so many of those named below may have deep investment.

It looks as though the Social Security Act (Aug 14, 1935, 3:45 pm, EST, Washington, D.C.) will be taking a hit.

By transit, it looks as if Pluto has crossed the ascendant of the SS Act but by true body measurement Pluto is conjunct the ascendant at that time and progressed Sun of the SS Act is opposite progressed Uranus (the exact opposition around Oct 21).

John Roberts, Jan 27, 1955, 11:17 am, EST, Buffalo, NY (Prog) - Chief Justice, Supreme Court

Samuel Alito, Apr 1, 1950, 8:57 pm, EST, Trenton, NJ (Natal) Justice, Supreme Court

Clarence Thomas, Jun 23, 1948, 9:00 pm, (?) Atlanta, GA (Natal) Justice, Supreme Court

Karl Rove, Dec 25, 1959, 4:14 am, MST, Denver, CO (Natal & Prog) Chief Henchman, Bush administration

John Bolton, Nov 20, 1948, 8:17 am, EST, Baltimore, MD (Natal) Gang member, Bush administration

Paul Clement, June 24, 1966, Cedarburg, WI (Natal) Bush Lackey

Patrick Fitzgerald, Dec 22, 1960, 8:43 pm, EST Brooklyn, NY (Natal & Prog) Good Guy???

Joseph Biden, Nov 20, 1942, 8:26 am*, EWT, Scranton, PA (Natal) Vice President
* My rectification from his 8:30 from memory

Dianne Feinstein, Jun 22, 1933, 00:44 am, PST, San Francisco, CA (Natal)Powerful senior Senator from California, Lifetime pol having started in politics before the age of 30

Timothy Geithner, Aug 18, 1961, New York, NY (Natal) Secretary of the Treasury

Ben Bernanke, Dec 13, 1953, Augusta, GA (Prog) Chairman, Federal Reserve (A private, for profit company) I believe his hits are positive - perhaps some insider info

Elizabeth Duke, Jul 23, 1952, Portsmouth, VA (Natal) Member, Federal Reserve Board Like Bernanke, I believe her hits are positive

Donald Kohn, Nov 7, 1942, Philadelphia, PA (Natal) Member, Federal Reserve Board

Randall Kroszner, Jun 22, 1962, Englewood, NJ (Natal) Member, Federal Reserve Board

Kevin Warsh, Apr 13, 1970, Albany, NY (RA Prog Pluto) Member, Federal Reserve Board

Bush Twins, Nov 25, 1981, used 10 am, CST, Dallas, TX (Prog) Daughters of former would-be dictator, never successful at anything White House resident

I am sure there are many others I have not covered but certainly the above people, with the exception of the Bush twins, are major players at this time.

The untimed charts will have planetary positions within 1/2 degree (except for the Moon - and chart angles are not considered) for natals and progressions as Noon was used as a birth time except for the Bush twins.

Bob

Hey Bob, great info, looks like a fat finger on on Roves birth year I have 12/25/1950.

I'll have to plug some of these tasty nugets into my astro software when I get off work tonight.

Wow Sally the Weather folks are using words like EPIC storm, EPIC flooding. Meanwhile Darrel Issa is trying to muzzle Michelle Obama legislatively. The little jackass has introduced a Bill that she effectively get permission from Congress to potty.

This is from Politico

Regulating the First Lady

http://tinyurl.com/d8b3zy

You are right Morgana. Thank you for pointing that out! The 9 is a typo. I hit the 9 instead of the 0. I have 1950 in my files and that is the year (1950) for the birth chart I used.

Perhaps after this financial mess is dealt with Bush, Cheney, and others, will be taken up. Bush's Neptune (natal and progressed) will be visited by Saturn, Pluto, and Uranus in the next year or so.

Rumsfeld (natal) and Gonzales (progressed) may be dealt with sooner. Rice may go scott free.

Cheney's natal Sun has a right ascension of 313°15'. His progressed Saturn is less than 1° away from an exact square (and applying) at 42°26' (42°26 +270° = 312°26'), but I don't think he will live long enough for it to become exact.

For some info about what others have had to say about the Fed read this. It is long but bookmark it and take it in sections or just skim through, stopping where something catches your interest.

http://www.apfn.org/APFN/reserve2.htm

And for some good news. Just the thought of what this may mean if it is followed through gives my spirit a lift.

"IRS launches crackdown on offshore tax evasion"

http://tinyurl.com/dzd3x7

Very interesting to look at the interplay between the Sibly and the Revenue Act (Oct 13, 1913, 10:00 AM, EST, Washington, D.C. - Can't find my source for the time, suspect it may be from a friend, (historian, banking industry career). He was out of touch for a month and I was really worried about him but he has resurfaced, having been laid low by an infection. Anyway, use both natal and progressed charts and natals to natals, natals to progressed, progressed to progressed, and any other combinations you might think up.

You guys have got me too busy. Have listened to the same Sinatra CD twice in a row, going to take a moment and switch to Dean Martin.

Bob

* 'Blue-eyed bankers' to blame for crash, Lula tells Brown

[Pink] White, blue-eyed bankers are entirely to blame for the world financial crisis that has ended up hitting black and indigenous people disproportionately, the pres of Brazil declared.

In an outspoken intervention as Gordon Brown stood alongside him, Luiz Inacio "Lula" da Silva pledged to make next week's G20 summit "spicy" as he accused the rich of forcing the poor into greater hardship.

"This crisis was caused by no black man or woman or by no indigenous person or by no poor person," Lula said after talks with the pm in Brasilia to discuss next week's G20 summit in London. "This crisis was fostered and boosted by irrational behaviour of some people that are [pink], blue-eyed. Before the crisis they looked like they knew everything about economics, and they have demonstrated they know nothing about economics."

Challenged about his claims, Lula responded: "I only record what I see in the press. I am not acquainted with a single black banker."

The remarks by Lula, a former trade union leader who had an impoverished upbringing in the poor NE of Brazil, enlivened Brown's 5-day trip to No and So America. This is designed to pave the way for a global agreement on how to tackle the global downturn at next week's G20 summit in London, to be chaired by Brown.

The pm travelled to Brazil, the world's 10th largest economy, to talk up his latest initiative to stimulate world trade. Brown wants to win agreement at next week's summit for a new $100bn global fund to increase credit flows.

Lula lavished praise on Brown for always rallying to the help of Brazil as he made clear that he accepts many of the pm's interventionist ideas for stimulating global growth. But as they stood in the formal entrance to the president's palace, Brown had to watch as the pugilistic former trade union leader embarked on one of his familiar tirades.

Lula said world leaders had to be prepared for a political fight to ensure no repeat of what Brown called the global financial "power cut". "This mtg in London has to be a bit spicy because there has got to be a political debate," said Lula. "I want a London consensus."

The pres indicated that he is uneasy about the US, which has been arguing that the most important measure to take is a further co-ordinated global fiscal stimulus. Lula used a colourful analogy to illustrate his demand for tougher regulation of financial markets.

"We do not have the right to allow this crisis to continue for long. We are determined to make sure the world financial system is vigorously regulated. You go to a shopping mall and you are filmed. You go to the airport and you are watched. I can't imagine that only the financial system has no surveillance at all." ... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/26/lula-attacks-white-bankers-crash

Great article Joanna, have to love "Lulu" I hope he does make a fuss at the G-20, I expect those bankers are just about scared "pink" by now, they keep reminding them that we cannot go on without them.

Good for Darrell Issa Morgana. I do so think the First Lady should check in with Congress on her activities, in fact it's such a good idea I think allll the wives and children over 18 of all the Senators and Congressmen, in fact alll public servants should have to check in. I want to know where they go during a day, what they do, who they talk to, where they work and how much they make. Yes sir, the day the First Lady is required to "ask permission" to go about her daily duties is the day I want to know a whole lot more about these people in the House and Senate and their entire family, starting with Darrell Issa's family

Clymela, I so agree about Howard Dean and I stand and cheer too (when I'm alone) He is so good at explaining things and at the same time making the GOP look like fools without saying they are. I think it's the laugh. Do share the comments by your "yaleie commuter" partner, it would be an education for us all. Oh and be sure to check in with Darrell Issa to find out if you may speak or even if you can commute.

Lock Issa in a room with Pres Lula for a weekend, he might learn from it, but it wouldn't be fair to Lula.
Guess I have another call to Congress today........
Covered Cantor, Boener, and Pence yesterday.

What is Darrell Issa doing? this one took me by surprise. Why this attack on Michelle Obama? I don't get this I am serious? she is putting forth such positive images and ideas. She is devoted to her daughters and husband she is pushing for a White House garden to show a way to have free food,she is beautiful and strong and one of the reason I started to listen to Obama=really, a man married to Michelle should be listened to-Michelle has a native BS detector.
Saly=my Yalie was in such a Scorpio funk yesterday that we had "words" the ink f Scorpio funk can really be ugly but Gemini that I am the spat is now over-at least one of the first things I learned about Scorpio was the dread fall-out if they get to the point of expressing bad feelings-married to a strong Scorpio and the grandmother of one also I have proven those words/thoughts. At any rate he often helps me see 1) that Obama is asking us to demand a certain direction from government and will at the same time be forcing something else to come up and get the ball and make that score.

Jeez that is a long windy road-too early for me to have my words organized. My young friend was VERY discouraged yesterday with Obama and his administration. Also, did I mention that his father is a land owner in Mexico- the family is Mexican/American and we have talked about the violence in Mexico due to the disintegrating social net-he and his family were held up by bandits and robbed but fortunately they didn't realize that the family is actually wealthy (maybe not now?!), They are Mexican perhaps more than American- three children and they all went to prestigious Ivy League schools due to the exploration of the oldest kid my commute partner the money came later. Father won the lottery and took his wealth straight home to mother Mexico. Obviously I love this story, love these people love the opportunity to know immigrants from Mexico. I have lived among the immigrants but never "knew" them because I don't speak their language. I have also been blessed with a friend born in an immigration camp in Thailand in 1975 the year I began working for the county. Pluto through the 9th-with saturn in the 4th I don't really travel so the world comes to me in the form of friends from different lands.

Sho' is nice having your posts again, Miss Sally! I think it's safe to say that we all missed you very much during the past few weeks.

I thot I remembered Issa as as congressperson from Oklahoma where I did lots of political activism... certainly he acts/speaks like an Okie. I imagine his blood pressure shot to the stars when the Obamas moved into the WH as he's a certified pink racist & mysogenist. After all, brown people (especially women) exist & were created by god to clean pink guy's toilets/homes, take care of "his" children, cook him meals, do his laundry, etc etc etc. His family could've transplanted to California from OkieLand during the dust bowl. Yeah... that's it... that's what happened. ;O)

About time the pink mysogenist popebot was taken to hard task for his terrible yammering...

* LONDON, March 27 (Reuters) - A prestigious medical journal on Fri accused Pope Benedict of distorting scientific evidence to promote Catholic doctrine by saying that condoms increase the spread of AIDS.

The Lancet in an editorial called on the Pope to retract the comments made last week, saying anything less would be an immense disservice to the public and health advocates fighting to contain the disease.

"When any influential person, be it a religious or political leader, makes a false scientific statement that could be devastating to the health of millions of people, they should retract or correct the public record," the editorial said. "By saying that condoms exacerbate the problem of HIV/AIDS, the Pope has publicly distorted scientific evidence to promote Catholic doctrine on the issue."

During his first visit to Africa, the Pope told reporters that AIDS is a problem that "cannot be overcome by the distribution of condoms; on the contrary, they increase it."

The comment ignited a firestorm of criticism from health officials, activists and politicians who criticised that view as unrealistic, unscientific and dangerous. ... http://uk.reuters.com/article/homepageCrisis/idUKLR110752._CH_.2420

Little bit more on turn on the tears, crocodile I might add, Darrel Issa from Wikipedia

(born November 1, 1953)
Darrell Issa's mother is of Bohemian German descent and his father is of Lebanese descent. Issa was born in Cleveland, Ohio. He grew up in a Jewish neighborhood and worked for a rabbi. Issa enlisted in the Army during his senior year of high school, where he served as a bomb disposal technician.

Oh BOY! Wayne MAdsen was arrested on March 13!
( friday the 13th!)
Sources are the life blood of this publication. The editor was arrested by the Alexandria, Virginia police on March 17, 2009, while trying to protect a confidential source relative to the Stanford Financial Group scam. Legal bills have been and will be incurred. In reponse to numerous questions, a Legal Defense Fund has been established.
( and this man has EXCELLENT sources that need protecting!) He always has such exotic news from the most unlikely places!
Workers at French plant release boss who was held hostage over lay-offs. Better lay-off packages are agreed upon. ( This is a good one!)
Israelis bring down Hezbollah web site. Israeli firm Applicure uses Chinese technology to disable web site.
Netanyahu plans to name Franklin spy handler and ex-Mossad chief Uzi Arad as Israeli national security adviser. Arad is banned from visiting the United States but the Lobby is trying to change that.
George Soros buys into AMDOCS. Israeli firm at heart of Israeli surveillance in United States. WMR was one of the first to call Soros and his gang out on their work for the agents of Mossad and the Rothschilds.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

Golly Miss Molly...Remember that extreme house makeover here in Milbridge, year before last?
The woman's cousin & his wife were picked up for trafficking heroin!
http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/102015.html
16 years ago His Dad built them a take out stand, and then wound up running it himself! Later on their son took it over when he was just 16 or so, for a few years, but now is a manager at the supermarket in town, and his grandmother who lives a few doors down from me, is running it. ( Food is great!) Along with being the patroness of about 180 immigrant workers living in her trailor park and processing the sea cucumbers.
Meanwhile Great Grandaddy died, the parents of the extreme house have built a bigger house down behind them on the bay......they own 1/2 of the cabins where I go to the beach to paint my tidepools.......
Milbridge is a happenin' place...............

qop how wild is that!? Never dull where you are living!

Makes it kind of tough to attract upscale art buyers!
However it is changing! At least the local drug dealers will be locked up!
LOL!

TimmyJ, I am sorry to be so long today in answering, I'll tell you I am up and down this emotional pole of do I or don't I have a job, will I or won't I get paid and trying to get my house packed up in case I need to move. I alternate between terror and "so what" life goes on. It's just been a busy day.

You asked about April 23, April and October are always bad for the Stock Market, Somewhere I have a link I want to post from the English AlJezzer (sp?) that is an excellent video interview of three financial guys, it's just an excellent evaluation of what is happening. I will find it an post it for you.

Anyway Pluto has gone retrograde by April 23 and will be at 3 degrees Capricorn aspecting the Federal Reserve Chart (I really believe they are self destructing)Venus is direct at 29 Pisces, going into a square to Pluto and joining Mars already in Aries over the following days, some type of control issues around that for a few days, both Venus and Mars will square the US Mars. I would say things will be off kilter and jealousy on a personal level causing some arguments. The thing I am concerned about is the bankers getting even with this country for daring to question them. The Venus/Mars in square to Pluto and the US Venus could be an explosion as in volcano's, earthquakes or the credit default swap finally blowing up in our faces.

The cultural issues I am seeing is still a respect of sorts for the so called financial giants (we haven't ripped them out of their offices) but we have little value for them. Actually, compared to other countries and their protests and strikes against their governments and bankers, it's been pretty tame here. Lots of editorials, a few protests but fairly tame, not so in Europe.

I haven't heard anything about Rep. Issa's insane proposal for Mrs. Obama to have her schedule passed by that group over there in the cookoo nest in Washington so that might be good news. The GOP is keeping people entertained with their "budget proposal" that's non existant.

Here's that video, if possible watch 1 and 2 each is only about 10 minutes long.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x289693

qop, if you wrote a book about Maine illustrated, is would sure as heck buy it. your ability to describe your surroundings there is poetic and amazing. You keep me fascinated with these stories.

joanna, I saw that article regarding the Pope's comments and it rocks the soul to think that he would say something so irresponsible, especially in Africa where they have been so devestated by Aids. Now there is a guy who needs to be shuffled off to a nursing home, oh whoops, he's already in one.

Regarding the demise of the global monetary system, I believe these two articles begin to converge: http://market-ticker.org/archives/879-Bernanke-Inserts-Gun-In-Mouth.html

http://www.contrahour.com/contrahour/2008/11/martin-armstrongs-new-essay-its-just-time.html

Thank you Sally,
A blogger who has kept me returning to her site....
http://www.themudflats.net/ who gave us the neighborhood scoop on palin when she was appeared on the national scene, and published a plea for aid for the starving Native villages when the Gov. didn't step to the plate, with food & fuel causing a flood of food packages from individuals around the world to save the day...........
has been named by Mike Doogan, an Alaskan politician; and she is backing off while trying to decide whether, or how, to continue her blog.
I went there last night for more information about Mt Redoubt, having seen a 2 liner on TV that it had erupted again. Chevron has a tank farm right at the base of the volcano, has refused to drain the tanks which are now threatened by the flooded Drift River, choked with ash and mudslide, as well as ice chunks. ( following the 20th anniversary of the Exon Valdez disaster).
It took me 1/2 of KO and all of RM shows to read the over 300 comments..............
This revealation may place her in danger of retrobution from politicians that she has blogged about truthfully , if unfavorably.

Sally, thanks for the info. I've been following the China/SDR story for a few days. The SDR's are based on a basket of ***FIAT*** currencies. At best it is a way to wrest reserve status away from the US. Ultimately a more stable and flexible system must be found.

Resistance is the cause of pain. There is no resistance in the NOW.....Lottsa love, Timmy J

And speaking of global monetary crisis/demise......there is that whack job Michelle Bachman, trying to pass a bill that the USA will ONLY use US $s as we know them.
She has heard the dire, extreme left wing talk of the Amero I guess, and decided to defend against it by making yet another useless law?
She is also fomenting armed revolution; except her precipt for it is upside down...........like those R W tea party revolutionists.............
Picture a row of elephants standing on their heads,twirling their trunks, wearing the hippo tutus from Fantasia!

teehee

"whack job" is a right description of Ms. Bachman, that woman is in serious need of some meds and I've thought that since before the election. I wonder who the people are who vote for her.

I didn't get the impression that Ms Palin was getting any points from Alaska, she barely won in the beginning. Maybe she and Rep Bachman could run together, now there is the nightmare team.

I do think Timmy that there will be a new currency but I also think it's a little bit away. They've been talking about it for several years and last year the French and Germans called for a new Bretton Woods meeting. Pluto is at 3 degrees Capricorn, not quite to the US 2nd house, it retrogrades away from Venus in Cancer and the 2nd house in the next few days, when it cross'into the 2nd house at 9 Capricorn in a year or two, that's when I think we will hear a lot more about this.

And on the lighter side.....for a Sunday morning
a Paris Street Fashion Documentary.............
love those independant French Women
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/03/28/fashion/20090339-street-feature/index.html?th&emc=th

qop, that was delightful and fun. I have been seeing bell bottoms around and have been a bit shocked to see them, but the explanation of "a new generation hasn't experienced them" makes sense. I've even seen dresses with Crinolines, and that's really stunned me. I know that everyone in the 50's remembers how many we would put under our dresses to make them bigger and bigger, and in the summer with the heat and all that starch they would stick like glue.

And, Sa;;y laying them out on the lawn to dry so that perhaps there would be more "rise" in them. As I remember five were the limit although we usually wore three. I saw one girl (woman? young but not a teenager)in a very short dress with a Crinoline just yesterday on BART. Bell bottoms are just not attractive although I do have a pair of "boot cut" jeans because I didn't catch on at the store(grandma so old now that she didn't see the change-oh the grand daughter had fun with that.)

WOW! qop I didn't watch the little video but I have now. How uplifting and I must say those people of Paris look like the young people I see on BART. What fun. I just love them

When I was at college in Portland 12 years ago some of the students wore them. U of Southern ME as well right down the street. Thing about Maine is "we HAVE our clothes", Like Philly! So conservative it takes them decades to clean out their closets....so the 60's & 70's bellbottoms were just about hitting the Goodwill then!
I had to have a steamer trunk when I went to Germany in '55. I had 6 crinolines each rolled around a cardboard tube for the trip! Fortunately the summers were coolish over there.
No Bart passengers OR Parisians in my neck of the woods now! More like well used LL Bean!

Laying on the lawn and I remember my brother and father complaining because of them hanging in the bathroom and you couldn't get in very well. My sister and I took up all the space. Actually I was glad to see them go, but now they are back. Not to the extent ours were but there is nothing to say they won't be pushing up to that 50's crinoline high.

Everybody looked like pastel mushrooms with two little stems hanging out the bottom... real attractive. See our butts when bending over. Yeah... real pretty. Curmudgeon here.

Enjoyed the fashion review, I don't think I have any of my old 60's clothes and I don't have the body I had in the 60's. I loved the hats, the socks the freedom of expression these women have in France, but what was bothersome is that they looked starved, unhealthy, and I thought what are the not skinny women wearing, or are there no fat people in France which begs to question are they starving there?

Oh, Oh, Lead in to the healthy food answer!
A. I think it is the style to look unhealthy, vis a vi makeup etc. ANd you are probably used to seeing healthy Ca, tanned skin I bet. The thin ............is because they eat GOOD FOOD, no HFCS aspertame, ms, or transfats.lots of veggies, wine, seafood.....get more exercise than Americans, ( not 2 cars in every garage)and have enough calories left over to indulge in those sinful dark chocolate coated glazed apricots with out gaining weight.
Also their farms are right up to the outskirts of PAris so the food is fresher...........tho I guess you Californians have the jump on that.
When I shop at the Atlantic Superstore in Canada,they have the best bakery, MUCH better bread than you can buy in Maine...yet most people in the market are slender compared to here, where MOST people are overweight. ( From FritoLay!) It's stunning in the contrast!
(Canada also has better food regulations than we do. Our agribiz food factories are KILLING us!

qop did you see the Diary on KOS where Big Ag Writes to Michelle Obama Opposing Organaic Garden? These folks are batshit crazy.

http://tinyurl.com/dbtlxk

Then Darrel Issa still has me rankled wanting Michelle Obama to run her schedules by him, what a pig. Wonder if he is a secret Muslim, you know he's from Lebanon. His negative attitude toward women might from his Islamic roots. Bet he'd like to see Mrs. O' in a burkha.

qop, oh that whole wasted gothic look is still popular, pasty white. Really some of those gals looked anorexic, reminded me of the pictures I saw from WW2 concentration camps, skeletal. True about Californians and tans. We have locally grown fresh fruits and vegetables, Farmers Markets everywhere, vegetable and fruit stands along Hwy 1, and I've always a fruit and vegetable gardens. Seafood (though can't eat what you catch near shore), dungeness crab oh yum. The warm weather does encourage exercise and getting outdoors so we've a lot a toned young people more so Southern California then Northern we get cold up here. Southwest culture is pretty outdoors centric. I've never lived in the east, visited Wash. DC, Ohio, Tennessee, Louisiana (New Orleans before Katrina), Arkansas all the Western States with the exception of Colorado where I only saw the inside of the airport changing plans.

Bread, we have the Santa Cruz Bakery which has marvelous whole grain breads, no additives. San Francisco and San Jose are delivery close so their local products are available. OMG garlic, Gilroy is in my neck of the world. The Salinas Valley with all their agriculture. Locally we have everything we need, including a guy who converts cooking oil into bio-fuel.

I loved the sense of whimsy in their clothing choices, bright. I love bright colorful straw skirts, and old fashioned boots sans the stiletto heels. I haven't suffered a pair of high heels since the early 90's. I'd probably hurt myself trying to walk in them these days.

I think Ms Janet N Braun needs to get a letter from me!
"Today, an average farmer produces enough food to feed 144 Americans who are living longer lives than many of their ancestors."
Hello I grew up in farming country as it was known then! Biggest food producer in the WORLD, Seabrook Farms. That was 55 years ago, they hadn't developed all these nastymanufactured seeds then. Town of 24,000. people, most of whom, lived linger than people do now and were much healthier! Didn't need nursing homes they lived their lives intheir own homes until they died of old age NOT DISEASE! NOBODY HAD ALZHEIMERS! Couple of em were "eccentric"......
THe ORGANIC fertilizer I use today is made 10 miles from there and it is DYNAMITE. I had 6' high cherry tomatos, couple years back ( still catching up to the sewer building ruin.....but my compost heap is cooking, it melted 3' down through the ice!Horse manure, seaweed, vegetable clippings, wood ashes, and leaf matter!
Now for another trip to PAris..........
Carol Gillot, is a cousin of a friend!
http://parisbreakfasts.blogspot.com/

Scroll all the way down Carol's Paris blog, she has an idea about keeping slim.
"Even moms do it.
Please note it's a straight-legged gait...
Could this be the clue to why French women don't get fat?
And not because they eat leek soup 6 times a week..?"

Straight-legged gait I'll have to try that!

Neat website I thoroughly enjoyed the trip around Paris.

There's not an excessive number of anorexic types here in Ohio and the Midwest, Morgana. Our cities here are known for higher percentages of overweight folks in relation to other parts of the US. That's not always and necessarily a bad thing, IMHO.

"...and in the summer with the heat and all that starch they would stick like glue."

Posted by Sally [TypeKey Profile Page] | March 29, 2009 3:13 PM

Then, pray tell, (to this clueless male) WHY would you wear them? I doubt it was for males you associated with - so I am wondering why you would glue clothes to yourselves.

I heard when I was young and I know now that I am old that men will never figure women out but surely you can divulge this little bit of the feminine mystique. Some of the mystery about the distaff side is fine with me, it's part of your attraction, but I think there are things that, even after explanation, I shall never understand. Some of that is in the area of women's fashion.

Bob - ducking and running for cover while cupping his ear so he can hear the explanation - just in case he has a chance of understanding it.

You'll get no argument from me, there are still plenty of reubenesque folks where I am, my husband likes a bigger woman, so I don't sweat the extra pounds. Whereas I know men who will dump their girlfriends because they gained some weight. My husbands biggest worry is that I'll be able to get back into my not fat clothes that are gathering cobwebs. Besides I've banged up this old bod pretty good over the years and it just isn't up to the grind to work off the extra pounds.

I'm not against skinny or fat, just looking for healthy, and healthier role models for girls.

Anyway the media doesn't show how many out of shape Californians there are, wouldn't be good for the states image.

I suppose I would take a look at exactly who is "creating" same-old same-old fashion for women. If the women continue to be dummy enuf to buy/wear, them... what's the real harm, yes? ;O)

Bob, It does defy explanation! We were led to believe, it was the way to attract the opposite sex. Propaganda of the day.
Remember one of the popular songs of the 50's
"You're nothing 'till Somebody Loves you."
Most of the time we wore jeans or shorts and T shirts...........................

Thanks Sally, I'm on to try to watch the sale of short term US bonds and the federal tax shortfall for the year. Being in social service the welfare of my clients and my pay are affected by cuts in socail programs; cuts I expect within the next 12 months or less.

I'm in the deflation camp now. Wages are not rising nor is employment despite the so called increase in the money supply.

Unique, I cannot add anything more to what Joanna said. I wore them because I was a teenager and god forbid I should look different than everyone else. Women have a hard time finding their fashion sense until they are much older and then it's a struggle. In defense of women, at the same time young men were wearing what we called "ice cream pants" all bright colors and pastels, we were probably influenced by the popular movie "State Fair" with Pat Boone. Shallow, I guess, just shallow, but who knows there was always the hope by wearing them we would look like Sondra Dee.

Rick Wagoner (Feb. 9, 1953, Richmond, VA, N/T) was requested to leave GM and he did. Neptune coming to a conjunction to his Mercury (stab in the back) and Pluto square his Mars (power struggle) I expect in some talks he jumped the shark. GM gets more money now but we don't get to know (as taxpayers) how much he gets. I hope people scream about that. Chrysler gets 6 billion (plus some) additional monies. GM has two months to turn things around and Chrysler gets a month. So I assume GM gets more money than Chrysler and they don't want us to know how much because they don't want us to know Wagoner's compensation package.

Fluffypuffyduffy wear. And still haven't much hope for humanoids.

Well I can add that "can-cans" were fun as was all the feminine wear of those days. Pointy bras (ironed100% cotton) slips that kept the can-cans from hurting legs when seated,garter belts and panties and "hose". Very "fem" and fun.
I am concerned about the talk of GM bankruptcy and getting rid of the legacy costs, read pensions.

It's a huge enron happening. There are going to be some masses of very, very unhappy people... which, I suppose, the citizenry are going to blame on Pres Obama just like the repunks wanted to happen.

* Stocks fall; investors queasy about carmakers' future

The Obama adm rebuffs GM and Chrysler restructuring plans and ousts GM Chairman Rick Wagoner over the w/e. The Dow tumbles more than 200 pts following the opening bell. http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-obama-autos31-2009mar31,0,5385472.story

How did the stock market become the center piece of the economy anyway... that's just nutz & baloney. Somebody had the bright idea to rope in the dopes obviously & did a campaign. So many campaigns, so little time, so little honesty. Gamble, gamble, gamble, and... what was it bushaholic drooled? Oh, yes... shop, shop, shop, americos... shop, shop, shop.

How did the stock market become the center piece of the economy anyway..
( At the end of the 80's when else?) All of a sudden it opened to ths average guy, and like the TV commercial of people grooming their nest egg,
( Gee I haven't seen that one since last fall......)
This great collective need to make a fortune and retire early hit a lot of people. That kind of story is especially noticeble up here against the back drop of fisherman working their butts off, in a risky business just as their forbearers did, NO retirement.
There was one house I almost bought if I could have sold mine.It looked straight down the bay towards the islands, had a building up the hill from the house, and a lot more sunny farmable land than I have. It a was going for 40,000.
Some Babe from away, who worked at Home Depot, bought it fixed it up sold it for $400.000. and bought another, still working at Home Depot. I hope she grabbed a chair when the music stopped!
The Clinton Admin, fostered this idea ( investment)just as bush pushed the "ownership society!"

Mark Morford...

* When chaos calls
Bedlam abounds. Is now a good time to unplug and move to the woods?

... Which raises the biggest question of all, perhaps never to be truly answered until it's too late: Are we really on the cusp? Are we truly teetering on the edge of the Void? If we chant, "The sky is falling," frequently enough, isn't it bound to come true, eventually?

To which I say, why stop at paranoia? Why not reach a bit further, thicker, more sticky and radical, and really go for the gold ring of delicious evolutionary bliss? Because it's certainly possible that even the masterfully calm and assured President Obama might be too late to stem the global hemorrhaging, and will instead serve as the steady, reassuring voice that guides us back not to stability and perspective and electric cars for all, but rather into the boats of light that will carry us to a new psychic dimension in about, say, three (2012) years (2012) from (2012) now.

What, too outlandish? Too ridiculous? Are you sure? Meet me at my secret cabin in the woods, and let's talk about it. Bring wine. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2009/03/27/notes032709.DTL

Don't know about pointy bras 9thought they were just brasbut girls at school dances after football and basketball games were very feminine in skirts and dresses (mostly skirts). I can still remember the fragrance of "Here Is My Heart" perfume, saddle shoes, The Stroll, Cherry Cokes, Green Rivers, 25 cent malts and shakes, and 25 cents for a gallon of gas. Class of '59!

Bob

ANd I chose Art College because I could wear jeans and my Dad's big oxford shirts! Black olive green and khaki were the in colors..........and wonder of wonders it was decided that pink & red didn't clash, or blue and green together.
And can you believe it? as a young Mother, I used to shop at the Italian open air market in pencil skirts, matching sweaters and white gloves!( Think Grace Kelly, The Philadelphia Story, our local Hollywood celeb!)

Found this on George Ure's site "UrbanSurvival.com" from the St Petersburg Times. Obama needs to fire all those guys he's got up there in Washington and hire this guy! And his idea doesn't even cost 100 million, let alone 1 billion and those DC cats are already past a trillion with no end in sight.

Bob

***************************************
Economic Solutions Abound

In response to folks that say "You just whine and never offer solutions", here's another example of solutions all over the place...this one from the St. Petersburg Times:

"Dear Mr. President,

Patriotic retirement:

There's about 40 million people over 50 in the work force; I suggest you pay them $1 million apiece severance with three stipulations:

1) They retire from their jobs. Forty million job openings - Unemployment fixed.

2) They buy NEW American cars. Forty million cars ordered - Auto Industry fixed.

3) They either buy a house or pay off their mortgage - Housing Crisis fixed.

All National financial problems fixed!!!"

Hi all! I offer this for your consideration:

The FED and its member banks are holding a very large sum of dollars, recently created. Those dollars are not entering the economy, so we continue into asset deflation. Currencies other than the dollar are in worse shape than the dollar, so the dollar gains on the dx. The dollar maintains a buying position.

The price of assets down!
The dollar strong.
Banks have lots of dollars.
Hmmmmm?

Wrong math. If 40 million received $25,000 each it would come to 100 billion. If each were to receive $250,000 it would come to 1 trillion, less than where we are at now.

Bob

I think that the stock market thing is connected to our consciousness because it was opened up to people so that they could make more money than their weasely little pensions from the employer but actually it was done so that the money people could get their hands on the money to gamble with. I remember that people were so smug to have their private pensions that their employers contributed to. Then something sinister entered in and now people have lost so much but the money has gone somewhere and the cruel ones now want my little government pension.
And yes this has been choreographed to explode on Obama and "prove" him to be inadequate due to his brown skin and liberal tendencies.

Did ya'll know that there's a new wiki? Astrodienst has started an astrowiki ... is that cool, or what?

http://wiki.astro.com/astrowiki/en/Main_Page

We have the same perception on that one Clymela.
At first I was on board with the idea, after all I had made several 1,000. with Texaco stocks, and I had a Smith Barney Money Market fund........that was doubling my money, ( small peanuts) then they threw me out because I didn't have the newly created, $5,000. minimum! End of the 80's........
During the 90's with my highest salary $9.00 p h, down by $16.00, I watched the dotcom bubble with a jaundiced eye!
Then they tried to grab the SS & Medicare too!

I FEEL LIKE I'M DOING TAXES!!

Gotta get this right or pay a penalty.

To get to 1 trillion dollars each of the 40 million people would only get $25,000.

Should have used scientific notation to start.

Lets go back to fluffy duffy whatever.

Bob

$25,000. that's a drop in the bucket! Back to the petticoats!
What did you think of FLOTUS, coat and dress imbarking onthe European tour? Do you think she's wear sleeves to meet the Queen?
Fluffy duffy!

Sy Hirsch on KO tonight!

Plop plop plop hear those shoes drop. Sy Hirsch is so good at what he does. Boy the Left Behinds are looking over their shoulders with that prickle going up their necks. It's over for them, and Cheney will cackle in the night like the Penquin from Batman. Ack ack ack.

DId you notice Hirsch didn't look at the cameraman? Normally an indication of dishonesty; in this case I think it was a protective instinct.....like a baby playing peek a boo.
Thinks you can't see him because he covers his eyes with his hands.
Disdcovered Diogenes this AM!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diogenes_of_Sinope
It seems likely that Diogenes was also enrolled into the banking business aiding his father. At some point (and the details are confused) Hicesias and Diogenes became embroiled in a scandal involving the adulteration or defacement of the currency,[4] and Diogenes was exiled from the city.[5] This aspect of the story seems to be corroborated by archaeology: large numbers of defaced coins (smashed with a large chisel stamp) have been discovered at Sinope dating from the middle of the 4th century BC, and other coins of the time bear the name of Hicesias as the official who minted them.[6] The reasons for the defacement of the coinage are unclear, although Sinope was being disputed between pro-Persian and pro-Greek factions in the 4th century, and there may have been political rather than financial motives behind the act.

ANd Waggoner is responsible for the Hummer! Firing is too good for him!

Forgot to ask.......would Diogenes be the model for the Hermit card in the Tarot?
( carrying a lantern to find an honest man?)

I felt a cold wind when Hirsch was talking. Hope that he is safe. And... just who is protecting him? And...why were they allowed to go on for all those years? And.. what about all the plane crashes?
Strange times indeed.
So Waggoner was responsible for bringing ot the Hummer? What an idiot reactionary and he gets all those millions but the workers get a handshake and maybe no pension after having a career long agreement for a pension?
I am getting increasingly nervous about the lack of vision for the common worker. I heard someone on tv yesterday talking about how we can't break the agreements of the bankers but we sure are breaking the contracts of workers.

I've wondered that about Hirsch, seveal years ago. ANd Wayne Madsen was arrested.............he is collecting a efense fund at his site.

Hahaha... the Tom n' Daisy Show... reruns. Sure am sick of 'em.

* Judge freezes assets of Madoff sons, executives

* Judge freezes assets of Madoff sons, execs for 1st time

* Judge acts on lawsuit filed by town of Fairfield

* Madoff brother fails to get assets unfrozen

A judge froze the assets of disgraced Wall Street legend Bernard Madoff's two sons and five executives who ran hedge fund portfolios that funneled money into his Ponzi scheme. ... http://uk.reuters.com/article/marketsNewsUS/idUKN3150656820090331

So far, I'm enjoying the first flushes of pluto moving thu capricorn.

Mark Morford gets it!!

* The last muscle car
Sexy as a swollen porn star on meth, twice as useless

Have you seen this thing? This sexy macho bloated Hot Wheels fantasia dreamgasm of a car-like drunken child's funbot crayon sketch?

No? Because it appears to be a vehicle that at least some across the Big Autosphere are still secretly praying, despite the sudden overthrow of--despite the deadly ultimatum for--General Motors, might yet prove to be a savior.

Indeed, it's a car some hope will maybe, just maybe sell like crazy and restore a tiny bit of faith in big, thick, meaty, rather inane American cars that have no real place in the new millennium, but which for some reason they keep building anyway, presumably because aging frat boys you should never, ever date think they're totally wickedcool and will therefore be willing to shell out 35 grand to own, unless they won't.

Am I talking about the ugly-as-a-giant-vacuum-cleaner Chevy Volt? Am I aiming this admittedly overheated verbiage at the ruddy, useless Impala? No, I am not.

I am talking about the brand new, leering, pseudo-masculine 2010 Chevrolet Camaro.

What's that you say? You had no idea that Chevy was resurrecting this rolling mullet from the mausoleum of the '70s because, even after sucking up billions in bailout money, GM still doesn't really have a single fresh and forward-thinking idea, and hence the best they can do is scrape the barrel of macho nostalgia in a desperate attempt to cater to male Boomers who drink too much light beer and think Maxim is the height of masculinity and are still debating which Van Halen vocalist totally ruled?

Well, they did. And it's here. And they don't. And it's David Lee Roth (of course). And it's worth noting because, well, this wild new Camaro will very likely be the last you will ever hear of US automakers vying to be a kickass, world-dominating force in automotive inspiration. It is most certainly the last gasp of that overblown, yet much-beloved myth, affectionately known as the American muscle car.
... http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2009/04/01/notes040109.DTL

MAn o man Morford says it ALL! My thoughts exac tly for the past 28 years as I've driven around in my homely but FABULOUS performing little diesel rabbits ( 3 )

Here is an article on the current non productivity of debt and the acceleration of deflation. It is long, but important to understand for your economic sake. I'll not write it, but I think soon someone will explain it in points.

I chose to access it at the tickerforum site, because there is discussion below the article and the article quotes Denninger who runs that site.

http://tickerforum.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?post=89399

* A Rare Triumph of Substance at the Summit

International economic summits deserve to be regarded with skepticism: The most important decision to come out of them is usually the call for yet another meeting.

But yesterday's G-20 meeting in London was an exception. While President Obama may have overstated things a bit when he declared it a "turning point" for the now-shrinking global economy, the meeting did manage to boost the confidence of financial markets, inject another trillion dollars into the financial system and provide needed political cover for world leaders to take unpopular actions back home.

Ever since this round of G-20 consultations was launched last year by an insistent Pres Nicolas Sarkozy, there's been a distinctly French accent to the process. Implicit in the agenda has been a critique of the Anglo-American economic model that, in the European imagination, was the root cause of the current economic crisis. Sarkozy's aim was nothing less than a rewrite of the rules for global capitalism to conform to the more civilized norms of the continental European model. ... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/02/AR2009040203743.html?hpid=topnews

"* Judge freezes assets of Madoff sons, executives

* Judge freezes assets of Madoff sons, execs for 1st time

* Judge acts on lawsuit filed by town of Fairfield

* Madoff brother fails to get assets unfrozen"

Joanna, I kind of have the feeling that you are thrilled their assets have been frozen, I would like to see those banks frozen and it makes me furious that the governments around the world are still bowing and scraping to the money, and Gordon Brown is talking about the "dawn of the New World Order" I've finally come to the decision, just like capitalism or democracy, we will like some things about it and hate somethings about it, but it doesn't seem to stop the march toward it.

The G20 Summit started officially with the Brown/Obama news conference on April Fools Day 2009, at 10:17am London England. Aquarius was at the mid-heaven with Neptune in conjunction and coming up on the US Moon. The Moon was VOC in Gemini just minutes past a trine to Neptune and the mid-heaven. If this was a show to fool the people of the world, they came pretty close to accomplishing their goal. Retrograde Venus was squaring the US Venus, and in a close square to transiting Pluto (just getting ready to go retrograde.) This configuration could also mean the "bankers" of the world are in the hot seat and they don't know it yet, not until a few days after Venus goes direct.

The Sun and Mercury squared the US Sun and opposed the US Saturn, there is some type of intent to restrict the people in this country, or restrict the money and that is already happening, but right now it's a weak resolve on their part, so I don't see that really happening, partly because transiting Venus is retrograde and the Moon is VOC. I do think there was something relating to the welfare of the Am. people that Obama held firm.

in the G20 chart Mars was in a trine to the US Sun and Uranus is in a trine to the US Mercury, indicating good news for the US at this time and a strong position of leadership at the conference.

On a nice note, it was a great couple of days for Michelle Obama with the Sun and Mercury conj. her Jupiter in Aries, her forceful energy was really appreciated.

I did wonder if the US media would declare civilization was finally over and Mrs. Obama had brought it down when she touched the shoulder of the Queen in response to the Queen putting her arm around Michelle. In spite of Mrs. Obama touching their Queen, dear god actually touching their Queen, the Brits loved her, maybe even the Queen did too, but our media and pundits so sure the Obamas, those usurpers of the WH, would embarrass us they could not wait to blast the information around the world and make ever such a big deal out of it. However, the Obamas have been a refreshing hit, a relief to the rest of the world after GWB and it felt good to be proud of our First Family once again.

I do think the Uranus in a trine to the US Mercury indicates some sudden unexpected good news for this country coming out of this conference over the next few weeks.

You are so right qop, Morford is so on target. I love his writing.

Michael J. Fox is on Letterman and if there is anyone who could feel down and sorry for himself it would be him. But he has just written a book on optimism and has just completed a trip around the world to do a documentary on happiness to be aired in May. He is someone else I just love and admire.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/the-daily-cartoon-760940.html

Thank you all for the great links and comments.

The overblown false faux pas between Michelle and the queen magnified the effect of agreement. In other words, why is the queen so powerful that touching her is considered an affront? For that matter why is there an agreement designating the queen (or any other "power" figure) a leader?

To construct our world we agree on certain images. Some of those constructs are fraying at the edges -- as they should -- for in order to construct a new reality we need to understand our connectedness.

For too long -- and throughout history -- we have given away our power to the false notion that someone else has the answers to our challenges. Inexorably that has always led to abuse of power, and the rise of petty tyrants.

It seems we have now reached a climax, for those petty tyrants are exercising a smug sense of entitlement to all the world's resources.

The "magical" aspect of the Obamas is that they continue to maintain a distance from the effete nature of this entitlement. This is telling -- at least to me -- that they ARE transitional figures, as Sally has indicated time and again.

(It was a quite a night of dreaming, and this is what i woke with. ;)

Aaahhhhhh... speaking of them pitchforks. ;O)

* OBAMA TO CEOS: I'M "THE ONLY THING BETWEEN YOU AND THE PITCHFORKS"

The bankers struggled to make themselves clear to the pres of the United States.

Arrayed around a long mahogany table in the WH state dining room last week, the CEOs of the most powerful financial institutions in the world offered several explanations for paying high salaries to their employees — and, by extension, to themselves. “These are complicated companies,” one CEO said. Offered another: “We’re competing for talent on an international market.”

But President Barack Obama wasn’t in a mood to hear them out. He stopped the conversation and offered a blunt reminder of the public’s reaction to such explanations. “Be careful how you make those statements, gentlemen. The public isn’t buying that.” “My adm,” the president added, “is the only thing between you and the pitchforks.”

The fresh details of the meeting — some never before revealed — come from an account provided to POLITICO by one of the participants. A second source inside the meeting confirmed the details, and two other sources familiar with the meeting offered additional information.

The accounts demonstrate that despite the public comments on both sides that the meeting was cordial, the tone in the room was in fact one of mutual wariness. The titans of finance--men used to being the most powerful man in almost any room--sized up a new president who made clear in ways big and small that he expected them to change their ways.

There were signs from the outset that this was a business event, not a social gathering. At each place around the table sat a single glass of water. No ice. For those who finished their glass, no refills were offered. There was no group photograph taken of the CEOs with the president, which typically happens at ceremonial WH gatherings but not at serious strategy sessions.

“The only way they could have sent a more Spartan message is if they had served bread along with the water,” says a person who attended the meeting. “The signal from Obama’s body language and demeanor was, ‘I’m the president, and you’re not.’” ... http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090403/pl_politico/20871

“Be careful how you make those statements, gentlemen. The public isn’t buying that.” “My adm,” the president added, “is the only thing between you and the pitchforks.”

Love it, love it, love it. Nothing like a good dose of humility to bring high fliers down to earth. There was some question of Obama getting too big for his britches. He's a Leo, I expect he is doing that, Leo's are the fun dads of the earth and it looks like he will apply that particular power outward, whether here or in Europe and we won't like it if he applies it to us, but I am liking it as applied to the bankers and CEO's. Bush was too cocky too, and he applied that toward us and was the good dad to the bankers and CEO's, another sign that the world is flipping back to some kind of normalcy, well not totally flipped.

I was thinking of 2012 and wondered if we are in some kind of giant long term waiting room (we the human race) waiting for creation to begin. What if our task is to imagine what that creation would be in our minds, painting it so to speak as in "What Dreams May Come" with Robin Williams. I kind of like the thought, it makes the landscape of my hopes, wishes and dreams much larger.

Oh, Great Cosmic Mother... may all their terrible crimes come to Light, and be washed away by THEIR tears... which will take forever.

* The Times May Be Changing

Now 6 yrs after Iraq started, nearly 100 days into the new presidency, more and more info is coming out about the involvement of the bush people in Iraq-related criminal acts. The legal memos and the statements of tortured detainees are only the beginning of what will soon be a flood of info.

The legal machinery is starting to build, case by case, a rejection of bush's legal theories.
Today's decision from Federal Judge John Bates of the US Dist Court for the Dist of Columbia that those detained in Afghanistan will have access to American courts builds on the recent cases that allow Guantanamo detainees access to the federal court. Judge Bates rejected both the bush adm's view and the recently articulated view of Pres Barack Obama that habeas corpus is not available to imprisoned non-Afghans who are arrested beyond Afghanistan.

We are seeing a pattern in the Wash fed courts. The judges are not shying away from tackling tough issues. The concept that a man sitting in Baghram has a right he can enforce in an American court seemed impossible a few years ago. The constant rat-a-tat of the media, with pictures of the tortured prisoners clearly influences judges along with the rest of the population. Judges respond also when the president too set a higher standard.

Atty Gen Eric Holder is the one who must start the criminal process against Cheney, Gonzales, Yoo and the others. He does not shy away from difficult choices, given backing that lets him know he is not alone. He can, and has, taken positions that are ahead of Obama. ... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/martin-garbus/the-times-may-be-changing_b_182948.html

Tonight R M diod a very serious and pointed talk, about the plight of the 2 Currant TV journalists, being detained in N Korea, pointing out that based on our actions at Gitmo etc, no reason why the N K's can't use them the same way.

I'm thinking that we are being led into the NWO and that's why Spain has taken this on, I'm thinking they will be tried by a world court.

I felt a chill when Rachel was explaining about how since we have tortured and kept people without charges and so no defense allowed, we can now expect our people to wither in prisons far away. I thought that she was magnificent and explained our predicament in a way that is so clear it can not e ignored.
I am horrified by how many multiple murders there have been of late. Out here there have been several that may not make national news but then yesterday there was the massacre at the immigration center. Every time I say to myself venus retrograde but there must be more to this- I just haven't settled down to analyze things.
Obama is very impressive right now and I love when he struts his Leo which I think he is very classy about.

I think playtime is over for the CEOs and top executives of the banks and Fortune 500 companies. It's very good to see a president who willingly stands up to these arrogant and elitist fools and puts them back into their place. Not to mention one who represents us well here and overseas. I still wonder how we sunk so low as to allow such an unqualified, incompetent buffoon like Bush anywhere near high office. The sad part is, there are many on par with him in both parties still in Congress and our government at all levels. But perhaps that is also about to change for the better. I also think that Obama represents only the beginning of this shift.

I keep telling myself that the day will come when Dick Cheney is in handcuffs with a furious look of defiant anger on his face, nevertheless being carted off by Department Of Justice officers to stand trial in Spain and perhaps The Hague for all the horrific and inhuman crimes he has gleefully authorized. And not far behind him will be his equally as sick-minded buddy Donald Rumsfeld, along with the super-arrogant NeoCons Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglass Feith, et. al. Implicated along with them will be the Bushes, father and son, Karl Rove, Henry Kissenger, and top military officials who permitted corruption, torture and genocide to take place under their watch.

Then again, maybe a special case could be made for them all to stand trial in Iraq, especially for Bush Sr and W., in the very same court where their old family nemesis Saddam Hussein was convicted and sentenced to die. By no means was it ever justifiable for them to commit national resources, not to mention the lives of our soldiers, towards carrying out a personal vendetta against the leader of another country. I do believe that the time is coming when the American people will wake up to this fact and demand justice for all of the injustices committed in our collective name.

WHen was it that Pluto went into Capricorn? 2 months ago?
http://www.newsweek.com/id/192583
The End of Christian America

The percentage of self-identified Christians has fallen 10 points in the past two decades. How that statistic explains who we are now—and what, as a nation, we are about to become.
By Jon Meacham | NEWSWEEK

"...Saddam Hussein was convicted and sentenced to die" A critter injected as "leader" of the Iraqi people after reagan/bush1 did a coup ousting the elected leader by the Iraqi, themselves. These nasty old boyz should be put in a ring to duke it out then the winner strangled so that the people can live decently with their own gov't... or not... but it'd be theirs, not the lethal creepy old greedy pinks in USia.

Vera's Diary... oh, ick! ;O)

* Psychic Vera’s Diary

March 4

Rush Limbaugh—a Brutal Bully and Negative Loner Brooding on Past Hurts

At first glance, Rush Limbaugh’s horoscope is an enigma. The Capricorn Sun Moon in Pisces combination is generally a positive one. Combining pragmatic ambition and leadership (Capricorn) with compassion and sensitivity (Pisces) as displayed by Martin Luther King, for example, should indicate a person who makes an outstanding contribution to humanity. Limbaugh with his poisonous diatribes as witnessed at the 36th Con Political Action Conference (CPAC) on Feb 28th, however, has done exactly the opposite.

Aquarius Rising generally indicates an individual like Obama who displays detached objectivity, and courage in their support for progressive humanitarian solutions to the world’s knottiest problems. Limbaugh, however, is a radioactive retroactive. ... http://www.aquilaink.com/Secret%20Diary%20187.html

QOP, Pluto first went into Capricorn in Feb. 2008, it went to 1 degree Cap and then retrograded back out not to return until the end of November 20008.

Good article on Rush, Pluto has been rolling around his Mercury/Saturn square since Feb. 2008 and his verbage has been getting more and more nasty and violent. I expect Rush to possibly go off the deep end, it will depend on whether he is still taking drugs, but Pluto going back and forth over that Mercury/Saturn square from the 11th to the 9th house doesn't indicate someone who is stable at this time. Plus Uranus is conj. his Moon. He is very eratic at this time. Jupiter will go back over his Mars and oppose his Pluto excerbating any tendencies toward self violence. Neptune having just conjuncted his Mars and Jupiter going over that point a couple of times is going to be fairly difficult to handle. I haven't heard him (don't listen) but what I see reported would indicate that he is coming unhinged, his anger and frustration seems to be on the rise.

I am fascinated by the Bush/Paulson (both born in 1946, Henry in March and Bush in July) and Obama/Geithner (both born in 1961 just a couple of weeks apart) I have always felt that Paulson was assigned to Bush and Geithner to Obama, by whom I don't know, but assigned.

I think the pressure will ease off the Banks for now, but it will come back when the seriousness of credit default swaps start showing their ugly head.

I did not put much stock in what came out of their "summit" and I think that the problems with their decisions will become known before this year is out, maybe before the summer is out.

I think the protestors going after the Royal Bank of Scotland might have shaken them up a bit so I expect to hear that things are getting better with credit easing up (Neptune on the retrograde progressed US Mercury and inconjunct the Natal Mercury, so we are not getting the truth, however, the great truth teller Jupiter will soon be conj. that retrograde Mercury and inconj the natal US Mercury, watch the oversees papers and the NY Times, someone's tongue is going to be wagging.

Pluto has been stationary retrograde for a while now and then went retrograde the 3rd of April. The massive amounts of murder suicides lately has been really over the top and then today North Korea launched a missle into the ocean. No one is happy about that. Pluto going retrograde always seems to be accompanied by tragedy.

This British astrologer sees what you see, Miss Sally...

* The Western Saturn gets a Hammering

Pluto in Capricorn and Saturn opposite Uranus together indicate a massive restructuring of the financial system. That is without the Uranus-Pluto square which will soon be upon us.

This restructuring hasn’t yet happened. What we are still seeing is the necessary first step, which is a breakdown of the old. This is why, whatever world leaders do to try and revive the economy, it doesn’t seem to make any difference.

The G20 meeting on Thur was hailed as a ‘historic step’ etc, huge fanfare, $1.1tn of commitments to help the world economy, but I’m sure even the politicians know that the thing is out of their control. ‘World trade in freefall’ announced one headline last week. The day after G20, the NYTimes announced a further 663,000 job losses in the US in March.

The G20 mtg took place with retrograde Venus almost exactly square stationing Pluto. This shows just how challenging the agenda was, and being a collective decision, how likely it was to be ineffectual. ... http://astrotabletalk.blogspot.com/

JESUS CHRIST! I don't believe Fareed Zacharia is interviewing james baker 3 as if he has anything worth while to say. He is the one that facilitated the 2000 election theft scaring us into believing we wouldn't be safe without a president while Fla did a full vote recount/.
As I recall Bill CLinton WAS STILL in the WH.
baker should be the first stop for the pitchfork mob!

Sally, is this what you meant by tongue wagging? A revealing Moyers interview:

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html

Here is the last line from an economic/political article I enjoyed: “Governments were to create their own credit, not leave this function to wealthy elites via a bank monopoly on credit creation. Today’s Obama-Geithner rescue plan is just the reverse.”

Article title: The Oligarchs’ Escape Plan – at the Treasury’s Expense
http://www.michael-hudson.com/

I just found this first, on Raw Story..followed to this link.
http://crooksandliars.com/nonny-mouse/monsanto-and-hr-875-take-two
DU hads aolso refuted the d fear factor re: this bill and put away the ( heated) discussion of it.