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THE MAN IN THE MIRROR

From the day we are born and our relatives stand over us trying to figure out who we look like; Uncle Joe? Aunt Harriett? Cousin Maude? Mom or Dad? The older we become we try to reassure ourselves that we look like someone in the family or we are teased about being left on the door step because we don't look like anyone. As we move through life, many of us have had the experience of having someone say "you look just like a friend of mine, or I saw someone who looked just like you." Some of us track our geneaology to see if we are related to someone famous.

The greatest majority of us of European descent are related to the monarchy in some way, some of us are related to American Indians (hopefully a famous chief) We try to find people or groups or a tribe we can point to as ancestors. I trace my mother's family directly to William the Conqueror and on my father's side there is a drunkard and horse thief, further down my family tree I find Dick Cheney (thank god his name has a different variation of spelling) I have native American Indian and Jesse James, with a smattering of French (a lady in waiting to one of the French Queens, there are a couple of "burned at the stake witches" who come from Scotland and Wales. Oh yes as with all genealogy trees, we are related to a lot of people (mostly we only talk about the famous members hanging off that tree. Who cares about the rabble and ordinary masses who cram on those family branches, how does that make me more special or interesting?

What did President Obama think when he looked into a mirror? It turns out his geneaology is as scrambled and most of the rest of us, even he has Dick Cheney hanging off one of his branches.

Astrology can draw a "family tree" just as surely as geneaology. We have common aspects with each other across the world and common aspects with those in history. Each person is the sum total of the people and events that came before them; those people and those events shaped each person's ideas and values before they were born; shaped them individually and collectively as we go through life adding our own ideas and values toward a future history as we slowly sink into the catagory of "ancestor.

According to the voices of the majority of our collective spirits as we looked out to see who would or should "mirror" our values, needs, and ideas in this very "european and white shaped" country we saw a black man. A black man whose astrological roots are traced directly to the very first slave ship to land on this shore and to an european royal ancestory (wonder how the Queen feels about that) A black man whose ancestors we demanded to wash our clothes, shine our shoes, cook our meals, clean our house, do the dirty work. And now we've elected so many "dirty" leaders that left our "house" in such bad shape we've elected a black man to try and lead us out of the filth in which we are mired and we know we have done a good thing by electing him and he just might help lead us to our better selves.

President Obama's South Node conjuncts that Aug. 25, 1619 Slave Ship that landed in Jamestown, VA., part of his collective spirit heard that call to heal some of these rifts the human race has fostered throughout the world. Others have heard that call of healing, and seen the divisions but mostly the disparity between rich and poor, black and white, men and women. Others throughout history have tried to advance the concept of all the people and as you can see from the response to President Obama from around the world, the people are desperate that their voices be heard. Television is an amazing thing because you can look into all of our eyes and see not the "audacity of hope" but the "anxiety of hope."

I wish the Moon was not VOC at the time of the swearing in, and I found out today that Obama became President at Noon (according to the Constitution, wiith or without the administration of the Oath of Office, Obama became President)

At noon today in Washington, DC President Obama becomes one of those trying to heal the rift, trying to bring the ideals of America into being, one of those who will pass into history leaving his footprint behind and a bit wider path across that bridge to equality. The Oath, administered by Justice Roberts (and he left part of it out, wonder why) came at 12:05pm. The Mercury Retrograde and VOC Moon points to the necessity of beginning his administration with business left unfinished and that will color his entire term of office. The VOC Moon is in the 7th House so his "clean-ups" come from another administration and other's problems.

Sun and Mercury at the mid-heaven was exactly conjunct President Obama's Jupiter, look for stunning revelations about the US coming from his office. We just might get a great many of our questions finally answered. Jupiter is in a trine to his Moon, he will be re-elected if he runs in 2012 and his Saturn conjuncts the Inaugural Chart and his Jupiter is just in his 10th, still under the rays of his Jupiter Return.

Five Planets plus the NN in Aquarius and the 10th House gives the US a new humitarian nature with this new Administration, and Venus conj. Uranus in Pisces in the 11th will find this administration leading in new, surprising ways with the help of Saturn in opposition provides a foundation for those new ways. Expectations of him (Sun/Mercury/Jupiter conjunction) run very high, Inaugural Pluto opposing his Venus will make those expectations hard to reach and a "balancing" act with power will color his first term, how he handles that balance between power and desire will make or break him.

Inaugural Saturn conjuncts his Mars and Uranus will soon oppose it from Virgo, he will have the opportunity to go to war, but with Inaugural Mars in a sextile and trine to Inaugural Saturn and Uranus (respectively) he will also have the opportunity not to go to war but to have diplomacy work for him at the last minute or an unexpected event put a wedge between war and peace. The Inaugural Mars will also help the tension he is sure to encounter with his new cabinet.

He talks about "we all have to work together, that's it not just up to him." He is right of course, but good luck with that one, his Saturn conjuncts today's mid-heaven by less than a minute, "the people" are absolutely looking to him to lead us out of troubled waters, his Saturn and the Mid-heaven conjunct the US Pluto in the 2nd House, I see him as being very exact when it comes to money and very critical of anything he considers waste.

Venus rules the Inaugural ascendent and Saturn the Mid-heaven, they are moving toward opposition of one another, his need for public and family connections will too be strained within three years, but I think that happens to most Presidents. Venus in the Inaugural chart also rules the 6th house of health so his health or the health of the family could also be of concern.

I cannot imagine this happening because Michelle Obama is 45 and has said there would be no more children still today's Jupiter was conjunct her Mars and the Mid-heaven was conjunct her Sun. Her Sun sits on the US Pluto, so she will at least gain power during this term. Morgana and I both feel there might be another baby, I just logically cannot see it happening.

As I said, I can draw Obama's astrological map from that first slave ship, down through Jefferson, the Civil War, the Civil Rights struggle, MLK and RFK and I was going to do that today but decided to focus on the "sum" total of all of us at this moment in time. As he said in his speech and I para-phrase "once in a while an Inauguration comes along where storm clouds are gathering and much is expected of the people and their leaders and this is such a time in history," I can promise you the "sum" total of all of us will be needed.

I too have the "anxiety of hope" in my heart, and the hope he does well because then we all do well and I hope we can all help to be a part of the growth the world including the US faces. Growth is never really easy. I used to "hope and pray" for world peace and prosperity and "hope" it would come in my lifetime. Now I just "hope" to be able to continue adding my little piece of thread into that tapestry of the world and the US. In my lifetime as in the lifetime of everyone I know, they have seen a little bit of heaven and a little bit of hell. I never thought a person could really appreciate heaven if they hadn't seen hell first. Most generations have their challenges, this is one of ours. I don't know if I am up to the task of whatever comes, but I hope I am and I certainly hope this new administration is up to the task of pulling America back from the brink we've brought ourselves.

The acceptance of those Slave Ships changed the course this newly formed country was on, as did the Revolutionary War, Civil War, Depression, WWII, Torture, this last administration and now we've changed our course once again, and once again the collective is using their "sum" parts to build a new future for other generations.

"The Man in the Mirror" we the people are looking at, is us rolled up into Barack Hussain Obama, may he exercise power with us and not off our backs.


Comments (73)

Morgana [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Eloquently said Sally. Oh yes I am so tap dancing, tippity tap tap tap.

Morgana [TypeKey Profile Page]:

I have 2:45 pm for Teddy Kennedy's suffered a medical emergency at the luncheon.

qop [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Sally,a great article! Very creative approach to the situation.
I am enjoying watching Barack's g face.....he is at times like a kids, as the realization that, this panoply of people marching past,all looking to him for recognition, are HIS people.to inspire, lead, etc..
And while he stands there his face readable as a child's............all the children Obamas, Biddens, Pelosis.have disappeared from the viewing window. I wonder if they are huddled in the back of the stand playing a computer game? or have they been spirited off to the W H by Mrs Robinson for supper?
Kennedy is recovered enough to be mad that they will keep him tomorrow making him miss the festivities!

qop [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Gee almost everybody has left the viewing box, except our new President.
Oh Good Michelle is back! So is Joe.

Sally [TypeKey Profile Page]:

I still see the Bidens, at least Joe Biden. The others may have left to get ready for the balls. I don't think Obama or Biden can leave, they have to stay.

kiwijeanie [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Terrific as always Sally!!
Maybe the 'baby' that Michelle will mother is the US itself. Obama said something about the need for everyone to grow up and become responsible for our actions.

I have to share a little story and I think perhaps it reflects something of what we might see in the form of tough love from the Obamas.

Barak's grandmother was the boss of the sister of a very close friend of mine when she first started working in Honolulu as a young woman. At first this young lady had difficulties because of Mrs Dunham's exacting work ethic, but she gradually came to respect that ethic. Not only was she later able to see that those skills she developed as a result of Mrs Dunham have stood her in great stead all her working career, but she remembers her with considerable affection.

NEOBuckeye [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Excellent article, Sally. If Obama is going to be dealing with the messes of Bush and other Presidents now past, during his first term, let's hope that he can do so in a way that heals and prevents those messes from re-emerging in his and future administrations. Maybe with some of the truths revealed about our country, will also come a mass awakening. Maybe not real change right away, but a bridge to it in a few years.

joannaoregon [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Was watching a bit of the day's events on teevee... I was so proud of our new president. No slurring, no smirking, no phony accent, no halfwit... it was wonderful. The whole world was watching. That would've been very bad had it still been bushadruggie.

kiwijeanie [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Comeuppance for peddlers of chaos at long last perhaps??? I can dream.
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An article from the Indianapolis Star by Jon Murray on Jan. 19th reported a huge victory for gun violence prevention advocates, and the residents of Gary, Indiana, as the last and final lawsuit against the gun industry can now proceed to trial.

As advocates and the city of Gary seek to hold the gun industry accountable for the death, injury, and destruction to people's lives and communities caused by the proliferation of deadly guns, Gary's lawsuit still faces hurdles. http://www.gunguys.com/#post-3310

Sally [TypeKey Profile Page]:

I have never understood kiwi how the NRA and this government could not see the difference between selling hunting rifles and target pistols and assult weapons. I hope they can do something about the proliferation of deadly weapons.

I think there will be a fight all year between Saturn the old, and Uranus the different. Uranus has won the first round of their opposition with the election of President Obama, the next round comes up in a few weeks when the Saturn/Uranus opposition is again exact, and when Saturn retrogrades back to 18 degrees, where it was on election night and then comes forward this spring to cross that point once again, as well as Feb. 5th opposition, oh what a spring and summer this will be. Old ways vs. new ways will be tested right on through to the fall. Maybe Uranus, which will trine the US Mercury and sextile the US Pluto will give us a stunning boost to the economy, well I can dream can't I? What do you think the chances of that might be Neo?

I like the Obamas, I voted for them, I believe in the possibility of them bringing change, but I looked at them tonight and though "Oh my gosh is that man really the President of the United States?" I look at my grandchildren and know that they will not know anything else but the possibility of a woman or man of any color or creed being President just as my kids don't know anything but drinking out of the same fountain as everyone else, to do otherwise would be completely foreign to them and not understood, just as women not being able to vote is foreign to my generation. By golly we have grown a little in this country.

clymela [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Sally-thank you for this piece. so much of you in it and I love the personl. I really love the part at the end referring to the grandchildren and how their images will be so much more "liberal" than anything we grew up with although growing up in Kansas I always knew there was a better way-my cousin in Arkansas telling me that (forgive me here) that "the niggars like going to their own school" and me shaking my little progressive head in denial. Well here we are and I imagine there are those clinging to the old images but they are gone now. Bless us with openess and willingness.
For myself I pray that I never hear anything again about 'welfare queens" 'single mothers" Social Secuity scammers" not when our real problems are brought to us by the bankers, the hedge fund managers, the weapons makers, etc.

qop [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Unfortunately clymela.............here in Maine,
'welfare queens" 'single mothers" Social Security scammers" are pure lily white bread, and we are NOT to forget them. My oil man brings it up every time he fills my tank.( his venting because the state has a law that low income people eligible for LIHEAP, get our oil for cents cheaper so it will go farther.
I don't know any of these welfare queens...but I hear they exhist in spades. Couldn't be because drinking/drug use domestic violence, are high here. Shame on these women; they should stay home and endure abuse to save the tax payers money!
I LOVE this article.....it follows up on your article so well, Sally.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/21/us/politics/21family.html?th&emc=th

Sally [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Now that's a guy who is stuck in the Ronald Reagan verbage. I was working for the homeless in the early 80's and believe me there aren't hardly any "welfare queens" around. That was a diversion from those who were really stealing from us. Pennies? This guy is talking about pennies off their heating oil? Those pennies in all of Maine would not make enough for one of these golden buy outs the bank and wall street exec's are getting.

I loved this, the Obama Administration delivered a "stop order" to all the departments in the government regarding the Bush Executive signing statements until they have the chance to go over all of them first.
There were some nasty order Bush sent out.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/1/20/193445/447/909/684567

qop [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Dr. CHeryl Watkins. The sermon will be delivered by Rev. Sharon Watkins, president of the Protestant denomination Disciples of Christ in North America, ( and Canada) and the first woman to have such a prominent role in the post-inaugural prayer service.
I was riveted, and I am not one for church servcies. She was so fabulous, there was spontaneous applause when she finished! One DOESN"T normally applaud in church!
She based her sermon on the Cherokee story about the dark wolf and the light wolf and which one you feed, interelaced with very pertinant biblical verses, and she personalized it with directly addressing the Pres. VP at times, making the congregation laugh!
Very cool lady!

qop [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Oh boy and then he hit the ground running..... has alresdy called all the ME leaders.................
Not even lunch time yet! ( although his W H office lights were seen to be on in the wee small hours!)

qop [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Lotta folks up here in the sticks still stuck in the reagan verbiage...........they are just maintianing not getty rich!

joannaoregon [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Off cheneywheelchair/bushaholic go into the sunset... in a garbage truck... off a cliff. ;O) Steve Bell "says" it well in this 'toon. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/cartoon/2009/jan/20/george-bush-dick-cheney

qop [TypeKey Profile Page]:

I think our VP is a little hung over...but scorpio mouth wide awake.
He was called on to a swear in the WHite house staff. He said You want me to do this AGAIN? Obama said yes....& Bidden quiped. You have to forgive me my memory is not as good as Justice Roberts!
( I'm guessing that he had already sworn in some of the staff????)
They have signed on along with an exact statement re: freeze on their pay,
There must be a link somewhere, I am watching MSNBC.

Raj [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Have you all noticed the re-cons never quote or consider Abe Lincoln as their hero OR role model
eventhough he is the greatest US President ever
and is a republican? Makes me wonder why? re-cons were clutching for a straw to find their kind of hero and whom they come up with a good for nothing reagan? Lincoln was million times better than reagan in ability and in every other
asset for a human being? Democrats are the only ones who idolize Lincoln and proudly so, the most able, brilliant, best president ever.

joannaoregon [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Because Lincoln seems like a super Dem to them?! ;O)

NEOBuckeye [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Because we all know some neo-con blockhead will make a big deal out of Tuesday's verbal flub...

President Obama Re-Takes his oath of office (today at 7:35 pm EST)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxzB4DO1-oY

joannaoregon [TypeKey Profile Page]:
qop [TypeKey Profile Page]:

OMG! Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC Morning Joe......raises the issue.............
Will EVERYTHING Obama accomplished yesterday, have to be REDONE, since the swearing in wasn't valid...
TALK about VOC & retro merc!!!!

Morgana [TypeKey Profile Page]:

qop, oh gosh Andrea Mitchell she's not so bright.

Sally [TypeKey Profile Page]:

I think, in order to fill too much time on their 24/7 cable news they have to pull whatever they can out of their fanny. Now Bush gave them something everyday to talk about and they didn't, Obama is giving them plenty to talk about with just two days of orders from him, and they cannot find or don't understand enough to talk about them. So Andrea wonders if he could actually make changes or sign orders yesterday, Lord these folks are exhausting. Oath or not, he was President at Noon on the 20th according to the Constitution and if an oath is delivered the Constitution supplies suggested wording. They have not been concerned about the Constitution for eight years and not it has to be to the letter and dot or might not be valid? I do not believe it.

His new oath of office (the time) suggests even more emphasis on service, but for the overall tone of the administration look to the Noon Chart, the re-do does indicated a little more push back from the people over some of their changes, we will have to see if that plays out, the 7:35 Jan. 21 chart will be an interesting and fun one to watch as we move forward.

Raj [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Sally,

Question for you - now that Obama had two oaths to office, which one to consider for astrological predictions since we have to determine which is one is the correct and REAL
time for the oath since like all the con/repug
all of them are imbeciles including Roberts, repug appointed justices like scalia, thomas, sandra oconnor, lindquist before that are real dumb but all can act like they're geniuses. It was a total Roberts blunder that two oaths had to be administered and then you have another con/repug dumb-drudge saying bible was not used
and may be do it for the third time!

Sally [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Raj. take the 12 noon time. According to the Constitution, whether the oath of office has been delivered or not, the President Elect becomes President of the US at 12 Noon on January 20 of the given year. The oath is a formality and symbolic, the 12 Noon is the exact time the President Elect becomes President, no matter when the Oath is administrated.

The other two times 12:05/06 on January 20th and the 7:35pm on Jan. 21st would just be fun charts to follow for a couple of years, but again it's the straight up 12 Noon chart that reflects his Presidency and Administration.

Sally [TypeKey Profile Page]:

By the way, Drudge can say anything he wants it doesn't make it a problem. Nor do I think Roberts did this on purpose or because he is a Republican, I think he had a Mercury Retrograde moment as Mercury was going over his Chiron at the time and so was the Sun.

Sally [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Also the Right Wing who are bothered by this needs to actually read the Constitution.

Raj [TypeKey Profile Page]:

repugs do so many nasty things, say nasty, one doesn't know which is done on purpose, which is
a slip. It's like the wolf boy calling wolf, one does not know, which time there was a wolf,
or when there was no wolf?

qop [TypeKey Profile Page]:

OAth smoath!
The are not letting any grass grow under their feet GOPiggies, ( thank you Nancy) not
withstanding................
MSNBC: SOS CLinton is appointing G Mitchell to Israel/Palastine......Richard Holbrook to Iraq/Afghanistan!
DAY #3!

qop [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Raj...WHen my 14 year old Grandson was a baby, we bought a stuffed toy for him here in a little shop of wonderful things...................(not much of that around anymore)
It was a lovely stuffed sheep............but you could unzip the hood to reveal the wold inside!

Morgana [TypeKey Profile Page]:

So I caught Chuck Todd on MSNBC and he noted that Mitchell and Holbrook are both former SoS.

Interesting.

Sally [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Buckle Up folks, it could be a difficult spring. "Bulgaria, Iceland and Latvia are not normally protest countries"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article5559773.ece

We are beginning to see the start of a world wide wave of protests over the money crisis. I still haven't heard anyone say "what happened to the money." John Thain of Merrill Lynch and his 1.22 million dollar office overhaul with his $87,000 rug has been let go by the Bank of America, but not before he distributed billions in bonus' to his buddies. John it seems used to be Hank Paulson's number 2 man at Goldman Sacs. It's getting nasty out there and where is the money? This country and a lot of other countries have mysteriously gone bankrupt. Should we think there has just been a world wide wave of financial incompetence? GWB signed in a Martial Law order if the masses get out of hand, I don't think Obama has revoked that one. I've said it many times but will continue to say it, keep some money in reserve at your house, hide it, bury it, put it in the mattress, at least for a little while. The rest of the world are not giving out good monetary signs for the US. I don't know if all the hopes and expectations laid on Obama include fixing the financial markets within a couple of weeks, but it won't be possible to do. Something tells me that this financial crisis is out of his hands, except to drain whatever is left and give it out to the people.

Raj [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Sally,

This financial crisis is extremely serious. Lots of supposedly'capitalistic' countries UK,
all of western Europe EEC, Australia, NZ, Japan
Korea, all of them are mired neck deep in this financial mess from all the banks,investment
institutions etc.etc. in deep financial abyss. What little these have disclosed in only the tip of the tip if the iceberg. This financial mess is as bad as depression in 1930s, may be worse or the worst so far in the history of the
planet. So, even keeping money in reserve or under the pillow, gold etc. may not help, just a psychological solace. So far NONE has told all the facts and truth about this financial crisis. You've all read it, the warning first here and let me say, I am NOT a doomsayer. It is just being a REALIST, neither an optimist nor a pessimist.

Raj [TypeKey Profile Page]:

you have not seen the real riots either. Just watch for the riots in China whose growth has dropped officially from 10% to 6%. The real growth may be less than 6%, something like 4% or less. So you've not seen nothing yet.

NEOBuckeye [TypeKey Profile Page]:

One up on stuffing money back, also think in terms of bartering. What skills do you have that you can offer as services in a trade for goods, food, transportation, shelter, etc? Think in terms of utility, practicality and need. If you don't have any skills along these lines, then what are you waiting for? Start working on developing some!

If/when the US should ever run into hyperinflation, as we know from Weimar Germany, all the "trust in government" paper in the world could prove to be rather worthless. However, substance and integrity in service and trade will prevail.

If you buy precious metals, don't settle for holding a receipt. Get them in hand.

This is Pluto in Capricorn, after all. We are dealing with the stuff of the earth -- tangibles. Pluto in Sag meant energy -- faith and zeal -- behind ideas. Pluto in Cap, however, won't settle for faith alone, and instead demands evidence. Whatever it is, can you back it up with proof?

qop [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Kit Bond slimeball! on Hardball. Still preaching fear!
He needs to be out of there..Valdemorte is reserecting too fast!
I think we need to shut down the MSM ASAP! ANd TOTALLY REVISE IT> I guess the HD conversion will approach that?

qop [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Obama Frees Bush Historical Records
by Robert Parry
22 January 2009
Bush signed Executive Order 13233 on Nov. 1, 2001, granting the sitting President as well as former Presidents or ex-Vice Presidents – or their heirs – veto power over release of many documents.
http://baltimorechronicle.com/2009/012209Parry.shtml

qop [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Holy Cow!
Now I know how my ex fiance's name came up linked to mine! ( As a choice between my birth last name, my ex-husband's *20* years, and my ex-fiance who lived in my house for 2 years, but we DIDN"T marry and I never affected his last name as my own. The link there would have been his mail coming to my address!
Listening to Russel Tice whistleblowing on the NSA, info collection!
( I was filling out the routine on-line form at change.gov to make a suggestion to the incoming Obama administration! You know how you click, type in the first letter and the computer gives you choices.
He was descended from U S Grant's Sec of War, who was impeached for taking bribes from the
trader who supplied the Indian Reservations.
( Needless to say I discovered this historic fact several years later......)
Also my former BF, retired to Mexico owing the IRS a large amount! AND they caught up with him.
Wonder if I am on the no-fly list?
If I had known more astrology, I wouldn't have said yes! His sat. venus conjunction was in my 8th oppose my 29 N pluto 2nd. His uranus 13 aries between my 10 venus and 16 mercury!

qop [TypeKey Profile Page]:

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/feb1999/nf90218a.htm
I googled this interesting article. No idea who Tim is beyond the name.

joannaoregon [TypeKey Profile Page]:

* bush's 'War' On Terror Comes to a Sudden End

President Obama yesterday eliminated the most controversial tools employed by his predecessor against terrorism suspects. With the stroke of his pen, he effectively declared an end to the "war on terror," as former [rez] Geo W Bush defined it, signaling to the world that the reach of the US govt in battling its ["enemies"] will not be limitless.

While Obama says he has no plans to diminish counterterrorism ops abroad, the notion that a prez can circumvent long-standing US laws simply by declaring war was halted by exec order in the Oval Office.

Key components of the secret structure developed under bush are being swept away: The military's Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, facility, where the rights of habeas corpus and due process had been denied detainees, will close, and the CIA is now prohibited from maintaining its own overseas prisons. And in a broad swipe at the bush adm's lawyers, Obama nullified every legal order and opinion on interrogations issued by any lawyer in the exec branch after 11/11/01.

It was a swift and sudden end to an era that was slowly drawing to a close anyway, as public sentiment grew against perceived abuses of govt power. The feisty debate over the tactics employed against al-Qaeda began more than 6 yrs ago as whispers among confidants with access to the nation's most tightly held secrets. At the time, there was consensus in Congress and among the public that the US would be attacked again and that govt should do what is necessary to thwart the threat.

The CIA, which had taken the lead on counterterrorism ops worldwide, asked intelligence contacts around the globe to help its teams of covert operatives and clandestine military units ID, kill or capture terrorism suspects. They set up their first interrogation center in a compound walled off by black canvas at Bagram air base in Afghanistan, and more at tiny bases thruout that country, where detainees could be questioned outside military rules and the protocols of the Geneva Conventions, which lay out the standards for treatment of POWs. ... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/22/AR2009012203929.html

joannaoregon [TypeKey Profile Page]:

* Obama's strong dollar policy may be for real

The Obama adm will have to persuade the world that the US strong dollar policy is for real this time as it prepares to borrow $2 trillion (from where? from whom?) to revive the US economy from its worst crisis in decades. ... http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE50M0T820090123

qop [TypeKey Profile Page]:


I was reading this.....the following links ( commandatori), were posted in the comments following the Iceland story. Can't verify, never heard of this person before......but it's "food" for thought.
Maybe better to store flour salt and sugar under our mattresses!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/iris-lee/iceland-is-burning_b_159552.html
While Americans were watching the historic inauguration of Barack Obama as successor to the deeply unpopular conservative George W. Bush, thousands of Iceland's citizens were fighting riot police around the Icelandic parliament building Althingi to try to prevent the world's oldest parliament from meeting.

http://commendatori.wordpress.com/2008/11/05/hal-turner-confirms-dollar-collapse-civil-unrest-and-amero-in-early-2009/
http://commendatori.wordpress.com/

Morgana [TypeKey Profile Page]:

qop there's a diary on DKOS with an update on Iceland.

http://tinyurl.com/b23z4z

Commandatori, never heard of him either his article though is logical.


I read an article earlier today where California growers are cutting back planting since we have entered our 3rd year of drought and there will be no water for the crops. Tomatoes, melons, lettuce not being planted. I'll be planting home grown since the price is going to go way up on produce.

qop [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Well one sturdy arugula survived my inattention.......guess I'd better dust off the window boxes, & plant some seeds!
Most of our Hannaford, vine grown tomatoes, come from greenhouses in ME & VT. They support local grown when they can......the cranberries grown 6 mi.s up the road were splendid this year.

Morgana [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Plunk goes another domino...this is from the UK Guardian

Britain has officially entered recession for the first time since 1991, after the economy shrank at the fastest pace for nearly 30 years in the fourth quarter.

http://tinyurl.com/bbjc8r

Crystal [TypeKey Profile Page]:

QOP, funny you should mention Hannaford - it's the store brand for our SweetBay supermarkets here, and I was wondering how good a brand they were. I remember when I checked the brand, the products had Scarborough, ME (Maine) on them.

Sally [TypeKey Profile Page]:

You know Joanna, the question of "where will we get the 2 trillion, from whom can we borrow?" is a good one. From whom indeed, thus far no one seems to know where the money actually is. Some bankers I talked to today at a leadership meeting said "well it was never real money, it was all on paper." I thought "really, then of what do those bonus' consist if not money." A friend of mine who is president of a large bank here in town, said to me, "it's all been a ponzi scheme Sally, the entire economic system is a ponzi game." I told her I don't think that's the whole story and someone somewhere is holding those notes, living off the 401K funds. I also saw the VP of Lockheed and they are doing well. Gee, whose paying them

qop [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Crysyal, Aren't you in southern Fla.? WHen I a was in Gainesville, last spring it was all Publix markets.
Hannaford was a family owned, Maine Co. until about 2000 when it was bought by a Belgium Co.
Their store brand products are very good ( allowing me to boycott the Corp. name brands) and
they focus on health food & local grown....with a european flair! They are replacing the Grand Union in upstate NY.

joannaoregon [TypeKey Profile Page]:

You know, Miss Sally, it's said that Nixon took us off the "gold standard"... were we ever really on one. I suspect not. Like most folks, I grew up on the country's official myths n' lies. And I thot Ft Knox had stacks n' stacks of gold/silver bullion... rather like Scrooge McDuck with his rooms full of money in which he dived & swam. No doubt it really just has some unremarkable offices & storage rooms full of mops n' brooms... that only "The Elite" get to know about. ;O) Silly us.

joannaoregon [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Nevertheless, real work n' effort is paid in these bogus bucks... and the bogus bucks are none too steady.

qop [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Wow..........Bill Meridian has an article in the Dell 09 Yearbook, Preparing for World Change in 2009.
The eclipse cycle of 1990 is going to repeat, this year.........
[Jan. 26 90 solar 6 35 Aqu.]
[July 22 90 solar 29 04 Canc.]
[Aug 6 90 lunar 13 48 Aqu.]
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Jan. 26 09 solar 2:56 am EST 6 30 Aqu.
Feb. 9 09 lunar 9:50 am EST 21 00 Leo
July 7 09 lunar 4:22 am EST 15 24 Cap.
July 21 09 solar 9:36 pm EST 29 27 Canc.
Aug. 5 09 lunar 7:55 pm EST 13 43 Aqu.
Dec. 31 09 lunar 2,14 pm EST 10,15 Canc.
After Jan 26 in 90 I "lost" both of my kids
to marriage within 2 & 4 months.
lost my source of income by 6 months....
by the July 21 eclipse I had found the house I presently occupy.............( moved in 13 months later)
( Both July eclipses 22 90 & 2109 are 28o of cancer in my 2nd house.........CONJUNCT PLUTO 29o Cancer!
Unlike Jan. 26 '90, this time all the planets are clustered in my 8th & 9th houses.......
Boy! Astrology never ceases to amaze me!
Now I'll go finish and get the rest of the story!
Oh I am marking in the eclipse planets, with colored pens, on a tracing paper over my astrodienst chart.
Now I;ll have to go dig out my eclipse book for last century, to see where the interim lunar eclipses fell in 90.

clymela [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Okay!! I slept in this morning and woke up to hear some of Obama's Saturday address and what some of what I heard has troubled me.
Obama is speaking of reducing medical costs by putting all our medical records into digital format. This is scary although I know that Kaiser where i go has done it already. I heard a co-worker saying that he needed his records and he was directed to the medical records and came back in 48 hrs and picked up the digital record. One day on KPFA someone was talking about how dangerous this is for people who have medical issues better left private. This goes along with storing our genetic records. Well as i keep harping on I am almost out of the game but this could really be a problem for younger people.
Still no words of compassion for Gaza AND the camera man/woman was shooting him from an angle that made him look like Alfred E. Newman.
Well I guess I do not belong to the No Drama Obama gang because my head snapped up and I was then full awake.

Sally [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Obama has commented on Gaza, this is his most recent comments on Jan. 20 right after the inauguration, this is what he said and then he appointed George Mitchell which seems to be good news for all concerned. These are Obama's comments and Israel didn't like them

"President-elect Obama finally broke his silence on the atrocities being waged on Palestinians by stating: "The loss of civilian life in Gaza and Israel is a source of deep concern for me." I would say it is about time, but the truth of the matter is that it is two weeks past the time. It is time and past time to move rapidly from "deep concern" to direct action to alleviate the suffering of some of the poorest people on Earth"

As for the digital medical records, I am really torn, I don't want mine out there for all to see or even all to steal and hack, but I also have worked with the sick and mentally handicapped in this city. Most out of this group come from other cities and there isn't a way to find out what their medical treatment or medicines have been and they are most often treated inapproiately as they wander the streets of this country as the homeless and untended. A digital record keeping system would be so helpful in those situations and literally billions of dollars would be saved by not having do-overs on tests and medical attention that doesn't work for the individual, so I am really torn on this issue.

Morgana [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Sally a few years ago my local pharmacy had a gadget that we were supposed to electronically sign to authorized the pharmacy to electronically transmit prescription records to a government database. I refused to sign (as well as most of the town). Imagine an employers delight in discovering a potential employee, or employee being fired because they are on anti-psychotic drugs, or ever took anti-depressants, pain pills, poof no job. I didn't trust the Bush government and I don't yet trust the Obama administration. If you have cancer, who is going to hire you? High blood pressure, heart disease, COPD, AIDS? Bang no job, no medical insurance. Though in all likelihood the drug store probably sent the records anyway. Just think of the fun Big Pharma has mining that data.


I also heard Obama talk about the Israeli Palestinian humanitarian disaster. Israel committed genocide upon the Palestinians, who villages bulldozed. Israel got its knickers in a twist when Obama called them out on it. Israel should be brought up on War Crimes, the same way Bushco should be prosecuted for War Crimes and crimes against humanity. And if the American people want to see justice done they will have to shout down the pundits and the pols. Make a loud noise America that is the only way anything will change. We are the leaders we are looking for.

clymela [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Just the other day my supervisor gave me a paper to take to my physician asking what meds I use and if they interfere with my functioning. No one has ever done this before and I imagine she is up to no good. I went in and asked her if she wanted my regular doctor to complete the form or my occupational health MD to complete it. she came back and said neither one because she had given me the wrong form but she never came back with another form. Shook me up in these days of layoffs and requested pay decreases.
Sally I never thought of how much help to public health it would be to have digital health records available to someone with the right code. You made a deep point with me.
Thanks for the update on Obama's words even if they are much less than I was looking for. Let us pray that he is working behind the scenes to pull Israel off "some of the poorest people in the world". I keep talking loud about how Jew is not synonymous with Zionest no more than Neocon/Neoliberal is the same as American or white. I am all for shouting down the pundits and pols-ask my family- of course not too many pundits and pols in my humble living room but I do email, etc.

qop [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Advice needed......I just bought a California pumello. from Hannaford!
It is green, ( the only yellow one, there, was a little soft) Does anyone know if it will turn yellow in time? Or should I just go ahead & use it?

Crystal [TypeKey Profile Page]:

QOP, those never turn yellow, they're supposed to be eaten green, and should be sweet (ish).

qop [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Oh good!......will do!

Crystal [TypeKey Profile Page]:

We have both Publix and SweetBay here in St. Pete, FL. The SweetBays were formerly Cash & Carry which went out of business, and SweetBay took over the space.

I think eclipses repeat themselves every 19 years, though because of progressions, and transits, the effects might be different to previous ones.


Sally [TypeKey Profile Page]:

I think it's pretty easy to be mixed up on Jew and Zionest because Israel keeps putting them in place in their government so something about them appeals or they wouldn't keep doing it. I think because of the 1917 Balfour Agreement between the Zionests and England Israel might think the Zionests are the only ones who can keep their land in tack. I do think most of us are completely ignorant of what goes on over there and I don't think we get the straight story from anyone. It seems that no matter who is running Israel or Palestine they seem to think the only way to co-exist is to fight each other to the death.

Clymela, I can hardly believe someone would do that, and yet I know I've heard of it before and I think that is frightening that our medical records are on file and you could be booted out of your job if some one thinks your meds could interfer with performance. Lordy, over the counter cold and allergy medicine can interfer with functioning.

joannaoregon [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Health care should never have been tied to jobs in the first place! It was the plutocrats' major tactic to keep the populace under their control.

joannaoregon [TypeKey Profile Page]:

It would be interesting to know exactly how "pluto"-crat came to be named plutocrat.

qop [TypeKey Profile Page]:

A very creative thought!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutocracy
The word plutocracy (Modern Greek: πλουτοκρατία - ploutokratia) is derived from the ancient Greek root ploutos, meaning wealth and kratein, meaning to rule or to govern.

If there are no forms of control within the society, the plutocracy can easily collapse into a kleptocracy, "reign of thieves", where the powerholders attempt to confiscate as much public funds as possible as their private property. A kleptocratic state is usually thoroughly corrupt, has very little production and its economy is unstable. Many failed states represent kleptocracies.

joannaoregon [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Very interesting, qop... almost exactly what we have now in the US, you think? The definition failed to also include the vast numbers of people/land who are destroyed in their nasty greedy wars.

joannaoregon [TypeKey Profile Page]:

And I think the word "patriarchy" ought to be changed to "maleocracy" in most descriptive cases... much more accurate because at least the former may have features of care & nuturance whereas the later does not.

qop [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Happy eclipse!

clymela [TypeKey Profile Page]:

I just wonder why the tv people seem to take the Republicans seriously but not the Democrats as Obama said so succinctly-we won!! is because the rv people are friends with the sharks in banking and Wall Street?
Just heard one talking head explaining how Limbaugh is just expressing the need for a revolution!! Really?! Limbaugh that mentally ill bully creep? He makes my skin crawl reminds me of some boys I grew up with-most of them didn't live to be middle-age.

clymela [TypeKey Profile Page]:

Well I meant tv eople not rv people.And I intended the phrase to be Is it because......

joannaoregon [TypeKey Profile Page]:

I believe you're right, Clymela... & ye goes wid 'em that pays ya. Their system was well in place for the Clinton adm, so it keeps going & going & going like the Duracell bunny. It seems the Peoples air waves was long ago coopted by the plutocrats, who regard them as their own personal property. Can you imagine "air" as "personal property?" So, so silly. ;O)

Madame Defarge will take up her knitting and knit us a new economy this time.

The previous statement reminded me of my blog entry! We are literally bringing back some of the home enterprise people used to do before the industrial revolution in order to keep a roof over our heads. High tech & high touch-Toffler talked about this years ago.

Limbaugh-revolution..his fat ass would run at even the sound of a bullet, let alone face any. He's brave behind the mike with screened callers.

Check out the front page of my website: I have new radio episode.

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