THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE FOG (Astroworld)

THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE FOG

I was six years old on the anniversary of the Pearl Harbor bombing and even I knew that some of the men in my little town had come home from something called "the war." Old Mr. Lamb talked about his grandson all the time, I asked where he was and my father quickly pulled me away and whispered that his grandson had died in the war. So had Mrs. Murrey's son, and my friend Jane's father, and others who I was told would never come home again and I shouldn't talk about it. I never saw anyone cry except Jane, but I knew a lot of people hated someone called the Japanese, I won't say what they called them, but when someone said Japanese a dark hatred would cross people's face and it all seemed very hush hush, but you could feel it, even at six years old.

Even though Pearl Harbor happened just one year before I was born it seemed like I was never close to it, ancient history. There are kids today that 9/11 is ancient history, but the "war" goes on and there is still a shadow of hatred and fear that crosses some faces when the word Muslim is mentioned.

A friend of mine sent this quote to me last night and within it's paragraph is a hint of the fog that covers the collective unconsciousness.

Extraordinary Delusions and the Madness of Crowds by Charles Mackay.
In reading the history of nations, we find that, like individuals, they have their whims and their peculiarities; their seasons of excitement and recklessness, when they care not what they do. We find that whole communities suddenly fix their minds upon one object, and go mad in its pursuit; that millions of people become simultaneously impressed with one delusion, and run after it, till their attention is caught by some new folly more captivating than the first.... Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

This entire 8 years has been affected by Neptune and delusion. Starting with the 2000 election and 2001 Inauguration of GWB. Neptune was exactly on the on the US South Node at 6 degrees Aquarius, the South Node is a person's unconscious and in the case of a country it's the collective unconscious. Right now Uranus is square the US Mars (which rules the US 12th house) and oppose the US Neptune (the natural ruler of the 12th) there is an undercurrent of insanity that has always guided the US and periodically it explodes, this has been one of those times in history in which we have been given the opportunity to examine the US collective insanity, particularly with Pluto, Saturn and Uranus having impacted that Mars/Neptune natal square in the US chart.

Certainly there are creative and psychic impulses with a Mars/Neptune square, there is also a liability toward distraction or obsession (possession) and can produce derangements and strange ideas, as well as sexual obsessions (look at our obsession with sexual figures in this country) Mars/Neptune squares also give a delusion of self-sufficiency when nothing could be further from the truth. When the World Trade Center came down, remember how GWB turned back offers of help from other countries? He did the same thing with Hurricane Katrina and New Orleans; Mars/Neptune was being aspected in both of those instances. Sadly we have not really examined ourselves instead we look outside of ourselves and literally find every country but America lacking.

Neptune is also in a trine to natal US Mars and inconj. the US Neptune, thus another aspect setting off that Mars/Neptune square. Just look at the amount of insane fear and mistrust all around us, people may project that fear on different objects or people but the bottom line is fear. Fear of Muslims, fear of blacks, fear of a presidential ticket, fear of economic meltdown, fear of war, fear of not going to war, fear of fellow americans, fear of different religions or people thinking a different way from another. The air is fairly choking with the stench of fear all the time. Something is and has errupted upon the masses and it's all over the world now, at least most of the world. My lord, look at all the governments with "big brother" everywhere with their cameras, their research into some kind of pill to alter people's perceptions. Pills to erase memories bad and good, pills to make us sleep, make us wake up, it is insane, I certainly agree with that and seems to be afflicting the entire human race.

Delusion is often tied up with an internal fear (the US Sun/Saturn helps that along) The collective is still made up of individuals so the object of the fearful delusion will change and but what has triggered this kind of fear in the populace, what are they responding to? It's kind of like responding to that chill that goes up one's spine when they feel danger around them, but cannot identify the danger. Certainly much of what people feared in 2000 has happened and keeps happening, is that the psychic piece of Mars/Neptune, does the collective actually know what is going to happen? Oh we can and do blame this party or that party, this idealogy, or that religion for the fear, but the collective seems to know something is coming that isn't going to benefit the US. Could this be part of it, an article I received from a client in Germany, what German financial leaders are saying about the Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac bail out, and not Lehman Brothers is going under and we will pay for it. It is the final coup of the neo-cons? Was the mortage crisis manufactured on Wall Street or in the bowels of the WH in an effort to pay off our foreign creditors such as China and the Saudi's with the US taxpayers broke and holding the bag for decades to come?

http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini/253529/comrades_bush_paulson_and_bernanke_welcome_you_to_the_ussra_united_socialist_state_republic_of_america

Since Franklin Pierce (1848) Bernadette Brady researched the affect of Venus as the Morning Star (in the sign behind the Sun) and Venus as the Evening Star (the sign ahead of the Sun) and finds the party in power most often changes on the Evening Star (exception: FDR and Ronald Reagan) because Venus as the Evening Star favors cooperation and working as a group and that favors change. Venus will be the Evening Star on this election. A quote from Bernadette Brady's most recent newsletter states:

On a final note, whichever party gains the White House, they will hold it not only in the 2012 elections but also in the 2016 elections. In the election of 2012 a Morning Star Venus radiates the Sun-Saturn conjunction which will give much blessing on the king. In the 2016 which is an Evening Star election, Venus once again radiates Saturn, with no threat to the king. So Visual Astrology is indicating that the ruling party will hold the White House for at least 12 years. Presidents may change at any stage but the "family" that wins this current election in 2008 gets a very large prize indeed.

Again, it's not so clear cut in this election as Venus will square the Saturn/Uranus opposition, and the US Mars/Neptune square of delusion recreates itself. Venus does sextile Neptune in this pattern giving the opportunity to sneak in under the delusions that will for sure be created. Do we, as the collective have the strength to break from the status quo into the new? And who carries the seeds of the new?

Does this most recent article by Deepak Chopra hold the key to the US dilemma and are we ready to dig that key out as the collective.

Sometimes politics has the uncanny effect of mirroring the national psyche even when nobody intended to do that. This is perfectly illustrated by the rousing effect that Gov. Sarah Palin had on the Republican convention in Minneapolis this week. On the surface, she outdoes former Vice President Dan Quayle as an unlikely choice, given her negligent parochial expertise in the complex affairs of governing. Her state of Alaska has less than 700,000 residents, which reduces the job of governor to the scale of running one-tenth of New York City. By comparison, Rudy Giuliani is a towering international figure. Palin’s pluck has been admired, and her forthrightness, but her real appeal goes deeper.

http://www.chopra.com/node/1064

You can see how everyone unconsciously is matching up Obama with his Aquarius Asc. and Palin with her Leo Asc. truly " Only The Shadow Knows" here.

Do you remember when you were children and there was a deep fog outside, it was both scarey and inviting as you made your way blindly along. Once I was in Iowa with a couple of my children and took a shortcut to our destination. There was the thickest fog I had ever been in; I couldn't not see in front or to the side of me and the road was too narrow to stop. I had to drive with my head hanging out the window where I could vaguely seen the illuminated yellow line, and my daughter would peer out the other window for headlights that might be coming from the other direction. It was terrifying, but we couldn't go back and we couldn't stop we just slowly kept going until we got through. That's what we have now, and have been trying to steer through since the Election of 2000.

The entire period of the 21st Century thus far has been ruled by Neptune, that's why it feels as if we've gone down a rabbit hole, and as we all know, amoung other things, Neptune rules fog, and the answers we are looking for is written in the "fog." We cannot go back and we cannot stop, keep your eye peeled for the little yellow line in the road and off the blinding swirl of steam where water meets the earth.

Posted by SAMM on September 12, 2008 5:12 AM | Permalink

Comments (43)

Sally McDonald

One side note, Sarah Palin's Sun and Mars are being and have been aspected by Neptune for several months now, Pluto is getting ready to conjunct her Pluto and oppose her Chrion and Neptune is moving back off her Sun. I don't think she will make it as the VP. Her husband also has a Sun/Pluto exact conj. and Saturn will soon (within days) conj. that conjunction. They went to Alaska to try to clean up some "dirty laundry" I look for her to be off the ticket by the earliest Oct. 1, and the latest Oct. 21st. No matter after the first of the year her problems start.

Posted by Sally McDonald | September 12, 2008 9:28 AM

Posted on September 12, 2008 09:28

karen

Dang, Sally! You know, i'm applying your message to my own Neptunian tendencies. This embodiment is a tricky one. We develop a consciousness often through repetitive themes. Since childhood, that thought is framed by use of words, circumstances, and the experiences our parents expose us to.

By journeying through the fog of our narrow experiences do we understand the need for curiosity, and question why.

Yes, we all know something is brewing. We feel it, want to deny it, want to stay wrapped in the fog of what once was but what is no longer.

You'll just crack up when you read Ralfee Finn this week, for it appears the two of you collaborated.

http://stariq.com/AquariumAge.HTM

Thank you, Sally, thank you, thank you

Posted by karen | September 12, 2008 1:51 PM

Posted on September 12, 2008 13:51

Sally McDonald

Thanks Karen but we didn't collaborate but it's stirring. The reason I wrote this article was in the last week, I have gotten three emails (one was the Deepak Chopra one) of articles talking about the hidden, the craziness of people over this Sarah Palin, all wondering what could be going on. So in one way or another Neptune is in the air and folks feel it, the fog is swirling.

Thanks for your kind words and Neptune in your chart isn't quite the same as in the collective, also in the US chart Mars is in the 7th (ruling the 12th) Neptune is in the 9th (the house of the higher mind) both of them are in signs ruled by Mercury, lots of odd and rare facts for these aspects. Remember, one has to take the entire chart into consideration to draw conclusions.

Posted by Sally McDonald | September 12, 2008 3:40 PM

Posted on September 12, 2008 15:40

Grizzly

What I'm afraid of, is that most U.S. voters are in such a mainstream media enabled fog, that the body politic will actually do the unthinkable and vote in McCain/Palin.

Yes, Palin is proud to be a poorly educated, uninformed, jingoistic, holy rolling/religious fanatic, simplistic, trasher of the environment @#86$@#; and it seems that the Rethug base and a frighteningly large number of 'Mericans are just ever so thrilled that such a person, running with a 72 year old cancer survivor (in God only knows what current state of health) has an excellent shot at being President of the United States literally in several months time!!

Its to me the same kind of sick syndrome as when people said they supported Bush because he's the type of regular guy they'd like to have a beer with. I think they like the idea that the potential next leader of the "free world" will be even more crass,primitive, "down home" and wingnutty than Bush!

As I've mentioned here previously, I'm no astrologer, but I too can recognize insanity and mass hysteria when I see it.

Posted by Grizzly | September 12, 2008 5:17 PM

Posted on September 12, 2008 17:17

clymela

Sally, Thank you so much for this piece. I hope that she ,Palin, is off the ticket but I still know something is brewing and I want to run around banging on the fire bell. Of course only my fellows on this journey hear the bell and we talk to each other.
I just heard on Thom Hartman that the McShame people are mailing out thousands (millions?) of invalid absentee voter packets the better to steal the election.

Posted by clymela | September 12, 2008 6:54 PM

Posted on September 12, 2008 18:54

Morgana

Looks like the wormy MSM is turning on Palin.

http://tinyurl.com/4vc7gr

Sally, I absolutely love your article here. Great discussion about Venus. The Neptunian Fog has covered all but what is in front of our faces. California gets fogs like you describe seasonally, I've hung out many a window trying to find the yellow line. As American it feels like that is what we have been doing for the last eight years...trying to see through the fog.

You'll love the link above it is as if the fog is lifting.

Any AW folks in Ike's way be SAFE! Our thoughts are with you all.

Posted by Morgana | September 12, 2008 7:32 PM

Posted on September 12, 2008 19:32

NOLASharon

I second Morgana's sentiments. I am only glad that Ike is going to hit land as a Category 2 and not a 3 or 4. All the same, there will be flooding of the coast and the homes there, just as there already has been here in LA in the vulnerable areas.

Here's a Krugman column that pinpoints how the media is minimizing the lies and tricks coming from the McSame campaign, in the interest of seeming "fair and balanced."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/12/opinion/12krugman.html?th&emc=th

Here is how it really is (and thank you Sally, for clearing the way for me to post it):

(Actually, I've been heartened to see how fair CNN has been and have noticed that at least Fox News has allowed the Democratic point of view in some of it's programs. What really INFURIATES me are the people who tell me that all politicians are corrupt, and then point to the La congressman, Jefferson, or maybe Mayor Dailey in Chicago, because they cannot really see what the Republicans are up to.

FAIR AND BALANCED :-)

If you're a conservative and you're selected for a job over more qualified candidates, you're a 'game changer.'

Black teen pregnancies? A 'crisis' in black America.
White teen pregnancies? A 'blessed event.'

If you grow up in Hawaii you're 'exotic.'
Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, you're the quintessential 'American story.'

Similarly, if you name your kid Barack you're 'unpatriotic.'
Name your kid Track, you're 'colorful.'

If you're a Democrat and you make a VP pick without fully vetting the individual you're 'reckless.'
A Republican who doesn't fully vet is a 'maverick.'

If you spend 3 years as a community organizer growing your organization from a staff of 1 to 13 and your budget from $70,000 to $400,000, then become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review,create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new African Amerian voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor,then spend nearly 8 more years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, becoming chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, then spend nearly 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of nearly 13 million people, sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you are woefully inexperienced.

If you spend 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, then spend 20 months as the governor of a state with 650,000 people, you've got the most executive experience of anyone on either ticket, are the Commander in Chief of the Alaska military and are well qualified to lead the nation should you be called upon to do so because your state is the closest state to Russia.

If you are a Democratic male candidate who is popular with millions of people you are an 'arrogant celebrity'.
If you are a popular republican female candidate you are 'energizing the base'.

If you are a younger male candidate who thinks for himself and makes his own decisions you are 'presumptuous'.
if you are an older male candidate who makes last minute decisions you refuse to explain, you are a 'shoot from the hip' maverick.

If you are a candidate with a Harvard law degree you are 'an elitist 'out of touch' with the real America.
if you are a legacy (dad and granddad were admirals) graduate of Annapolis, with multiple disciplinary infractions you are a hero.

If you manage a multi-million dollar nationwide campaign, you are an 'empty suit'.
If you are a part time mayor of a town of 7000 people, you are an 'experienced executive'.

If you go to a south side Chicago church, your beliefs are 'extremist'.
If you believe in creationism and don't believe global warming is man made, you are 'strongly principled'.

If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.
If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years with whom you are raising 2 beautiful daughters you're 'risky'.

If you're a black single mother of 4 who waits for 22 hours after her water breaks to seek medical attention, you're an irresponsible parent, endangering the life of your unborn child.
But if you're a white married mother who waits 22 hours, you're spunky.

If you're a 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton, the right-wing press calls you 'First dog.'
If you're a 17-year old pregnant unwed daughter of a Republican, the right-wing press calls you 'beautiful' and 'courageous.'

If you teach abstinence only in sex education, you get teen parents.
If you teach responsible age-appropriate, sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.

Posted by NOLASharon | September 12, 2008 11:57 PM

Posted on September 12, 2008 23:57

NOLASharon

Sally, the fog will clear - it has to. It's this age of information, media, and celebrity gossip we live in, where there is so much information crossing the airwaves that people don't know what to believe, so they believe the best actors. However, if we are foggy now, what will happen when Neptune goes into Pisces, it's home? Perhaps it's higher spiritual octave will kick in.

Posted by NOLASharon | September 12, 2008 11:59 PM

Posted on September 12, 2008 23:59

joannaoregon

Vera’s Diary

McCain Finds a New Beauty Queen

She’s a…she’s a partner & a soul mate. — McCain commenting on his choice.

I haven’t seen anyone else say it but I think I know why McCain chose Sarah Palin for his running mate. He wants to have sex with her. Now that’s a real maverick: a prez having sex with his vp. It’s never been done before, has it?

Last night I had this revelation based on the following info: He, apparently, asked her to consider the vice-prezy despite her having no experience in nat'l or internat'l affairs, after talking to her on the phone only once 6 mos ago. He just recently met her face to face before proclaiming his decision to the world. He is attracted to her because she was once a beauty queen like his 1st & 2nd wives. Just recently, while speaking at a pol rally, he suggested that his 2nd wife Cindy, who was once a Jr Rodeo Queen, participate in a topless beauty contest, which was being staged at the same time as the rally. We all know what happened to his 1st marriage after he returned from Vietnam only to find his once beautiful wife disfigured in an automobile accident. Now his present wife is looking pretty old & skanky. I think he thinks he’s due for another beauty queen.

As a postscript, some political pundits have wondered why, if he was going to pick a woman, he didn’t choose someone experienced & respected like former Repub senator, Kay Bailey Hutchison? Get real. Who would want to have sex with that old bat? After all, McCain’s just another old fart that wants them younger & younger.

Gad, I hope the American people are smart enuf to dump this old wienie in the next election.

http://www.aquilaink.com/aquilanews.html

Posted by joannaoregon | September 13, 2008 2:16 AM

Posted on September 13, 2008 02:16

Morgana

JoannaO, ya many of us got that ditty and snickered, it was plain to see. He's also repeated several times leeringly that he can't wait to show her around Washington. He acts the randy boy.

Posted by Morgana | September 13, 2008 2:37 AM

Posted on September 13, 2008 02:37

Morgana

Interesting with Ike's projected landfall roughly 11:25 pm (my guesstimate)the Sun Uranus opposition is nearly exact, Uranus 20 Pisces 40 rx., the Sun 20 Libra 45.

Posted by Morgana | September 13, 2008 3:30 AM

Posted on September 13, 2008 03:30

Morgana

My bad the Sun is 20 Virgo.

Posted by Morgana | September 13, 2008 7:23 AM

Posted on September 13, 2008 07:23

qop

Oh YEH! BOOM!
I've been looking for a pix of Palin to which I can add superimpose the head of W..............
GOT IT! perfect.....the clinch btween W & Mac, HER HEAD above his line of voision.! voila!
sun is conjt my N neptune oppose My N jupter in 28 pisces,
ANd I believe when Neptune goes into Pisces it will spark that renaissance ( arts & humanities) I saw incubating in my Pluto in C=Scorpio students.

Posted by qop | September 13, 2008 11:14 AM

Posted on September 13, 2008 11:14

Grizzly

Sally, I made my last comment about the danger of a Palin victory before reading your side note predicting she'll be dropped from the ticket. I really do hope to see this, as she will have to do something spectacularly egregious, or something from her past just as spectacular will have to be revealed, in order to justify McCain pissing off the fundies/base so badly, which dropping Palin will surely do.

It will show more and more people just how reckless and without regard for the future of the country his impulsive, cynically calculated,
non-vetted choice really was.

Posted by Grizzly | September 13, 2008 12:12 PM

Posted on September 13, 2008 12:12

Old Mayfly

Sally, so hope you are right about Palin not being vp candidate after October 21. If she is off the ticket, she'll remain as the Theocrats' mascot and/or saint, i.e., "nobly withdrew from national ticket for the good of her family", etc., etc.

Am wondering, what do you see about McCain in October? If a serious health issue occurres, whether publicized or hushed-up, the GOP corporate owners might think twice about keeping Palin around.

The multi-national corporations and their obscenely rich directors, such as Cheney, know they are using the American Theocrats to loot the country and weaken the US government so that we the people can't regulate their dealings.

The theocrats don't seem to care what harm the corporations do to the USA, let alone care what harm they do overseas, promoting starvation and famine by destroying subsistence farms to steal timber, minerals, etc., and instigating wars to keep rapacious dictators in their pockets.

The theocrats are so busy trying to control others that they don't notice they themselves are pawns. Or maybe they think they are playing the Corporations.

Posted by Old Mayfly | September 13, 2008 3:35 PM

Posted on September 13, 2008 15:35

clymela

Oh JoannaO-you have me cackling first thing in the morning. Oh please!! cCn we spell "unseemly". I thought he seemed so happy to see her. Pluto can't get to Cap soon enough. Did you know that Colorado Springs has a freeway exit for James Dobson? Yep!! and the trouble with religion and the Air Force Academy doesn't seem coincidental does it?
Wonder what is going to happen when people start to realize that Jesus is not coming for them and their family and that they are left to work off their debts in debtors prison or the NeoCon version of such. Bet the demand changes to a demand for a well regulated government.
Old Mayfly-remember that Sec of the Interior for Reagan who believed that we don't have to take care of the earth because Jesus is coming soon?

Posted by clymela | September 13, 2008 4:43 PM

Posted on September 13, 2008 16:43

Gina

Old Mayfly, I believe that what you are saying is the Gawd-honest truth. You keypad to Gawd's eyes...

(BTW, this is how some people pronounce the name of their supreme deity in New Awlins.)

Seriously, Sally, although you absolutely nailed it with Giuliani, I have to differ with you on Palin, and quibble with you on Bernadette Brady's interpretation of Venus and the election:

I think that as long as Palin helps McSame in the polls, she ain't going anywhere. The real problem may very well be if something happens to McCain, and Palin is promoted to the level of her incompetence. If she has to end up doing a job that she is clearly not qualified to do, it won't just be bad for her; it will be absolutely awful for us.

For the sake of this country, we'd better hope that whatever corruption she's guilty of is uncovered before it gets to that point.

I read through the Brady article a week or two ago, and I noted that FDR and Reagan were notable exceptions to this rule. Interestingly, they were both Aquarians. Are there any Aquarian Democrats who might be ready for 2012? Or may they be part of the fixed signs axis, like Obama (Leo) or the Clintons (Leo/Scorpio)?

I don't know the answer to those two questions, but if we end up with McCain, we have to look at the exceptions to this rule, and not lose hope for 2012. Or do whatever we can to help Obama win.

It is so tempting to lose hope in the interesting times that we're in, but if we give in to that temptation, we'll be in even bigger trouble than we are now.

Posted by Gina | September 13, 2008 7:25 PM

Posted on September 13, 2008 19:25

qop

I'm afraid that Palin isn't that corrupt! Just self centered, ignorant, overly ambitious, ( and a very unnurturing Mother)
Since we appear to have accepted, Bush Cheny Bunch's criminal, murderous, behavior with no consequences to them.......her little breaches of ethics look pretty small potatos!
I stumbled onto a horrible ignorant, ( so many of them) blog onthe ABC site
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/obama-postpones.html
Oh Megan Mccain will be on Larry King live Mon night. That should be interesting!

Posted by qop | September 13, 2008 8:36 PM

Posted on September 13, 2008 20:36

Gina

Using one's office to settle a personal score is a form of corruption, no matter small it may seem. Many politicians may do this, but Troopergate appears to be one of the more egregious forms of this kind of corruption.

I have a Canadian friend who wrote to me about the many executions that happened when Bush was governor of TX. He said something to the effect of, "You'd think that Bush would wait until AFTER he became president to engage in mass murder." The point here, is that sometimes you can see patterns of future behavior.

In Palin, I detect patterns of: firing people who don't do what she wants, quashing investigations, authoritarianism, misleading statements, and out-and-out lying. The influence of Neptune at work? Maybe. To me, it spells trouble, and the potential for more criminal behavior.

It only gets worse as you climb up the political ladder, not better.

Posted by Gina | September 13, 2008 9:34 PM

Posted on September 13, 2008 21:34

Crystal

Sally, you have so many life experiences to relate going way back - maybe it's time to start writing that book - an autobiography perhaps?

JoannaO can write us a delicious political satire.

Posted by Crystal | September 13, 2008 10:14 PM

Posted on September 13, 2008 22:14

NOLASharon

McCain's fuzzy flip-flops

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

Posted by NOLASharon | September 13, 2008 11:39 PM

Posted on September 13, 2008 23:39

Old Mayfly

clymela, I had forgotten about that Sec. of Interior and can't remember his name now--do remember his face, though, and that when a reporter asked him about the dangers associated with the destruction of the ozone layer, the Sec said, "Oh, when you go outside, just wear a hat."

Posted by Old Mayfly | September 14, 2008 2:46 AM

Posted on September 14, 2008 02:46

qop

Best SNL in history! Tina Fay Palin AMy Poller, Hillary!

Posted by qop | September 14, 2008 4:36 AM

Posted on September 14, 2008 04:36

NOLASharon

More good stuff from the NY Times.

The Palin Whatshisname Ticket (Frank Rich)

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/opinion/14rich.html?ref=opinion

Making America Stupid (Thomas Friedman)

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/opinion/14friedman.html?ref=opinion

Bering Straight Talk (Mo Dowd)

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/opinion/14dowd.html?ref=opinion

And don't forget Alan Greenspan's well-timed, criticism of McCain's tax cuts. He's trying to make it up to us, folks. He knows that Bush & Cheney played him for a fool.

Alan Greenspan on McCain’s tax cuts:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080913/ap_on_el_pr/mccain

Posted by NOLASharon | September 14, 2008 6:17 AM

Posted on September 14, 2008 06:17

Grizzly

Old Mayfly, his name was James Watt. I remember when Reagan "resigned him" for dissing the Beach Boys as sex/drugs/rock'roll perverts, because Nancy really liked listening to them!

Posted by Grizzly | September 14, 2008 8:02 AM

Posted on September 14, 2008 08:02

joannaoregon

Old james watt was an antilife lunatic fundie. Probably still is unless it's kicked the bucket... which is highly likely.

Posted by joannaoregon | September 14, 2008 10:58 AM

Posted on September 14, 2008 10:58

Grizzly

Yup, James Watt sure was all that and more, Joanna. He was really ahead of his time and a harbinger of things to come, now being the rule rather than the exception for the Rethugs. I really think he would be very proud of and gratified with the Palin selection.

Posted by Grizzly | September 14, 2008 11:43 AM

Posted on September 14, 2008 11:43

qop

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/alaska-women-reject-palin-rally-is-huge/#comments

There were more against Palin ouside in the street, than inside the hall in support of her.
It of course was superceeded by Ike!

Posted by qop | September 14, 2008 3:19 PM

Posted on September 14, 2008 15:19

Old Mayfly

qop, you beat me to it. I just came on to link to the mudflats report of the anti-Palin rally. Cheery news from Alaska.

Posted by Old Mayfly | September 14, 2008 3:31 PM

Posted on September 14, 2008 15:31

clymela

James Watt!! Thank you all. I remember how shocked I was that someone of his psychology would be allowed a platform on the national level-little did i realize what was building in the collective.
This morning in the Sunday paper is a long article explaining the mortgage bubble bust. Now where was this a couple of years back? I have a friend who is probably going to lose her house and the $50,000 down payment.Some writers were explaining this a few years back but they were relegated to the tinfoil hat rows. Since I love these thinkers and reporters I was expecting it although I was not expecting property values in San Francisco to look like Manhatten.

Posted by clymela | September 14, 2008 4:48 PM

Posted on September 14, 2008 16:48

qop

God I HATE Nancy Pfotenaur, ( Mccain, adviser!)
GD repig shill with all those SHINY teeth. Total distraction from Linda DOuglas ( Obama adviser)
when she is talking. How is it that R women can talk so fast........oh yeh, they don't have to think first!
WIth typical R circular logic, when confronted with being one of the lobbiests on Mccains team,
she denied it vehemently; hasn't been a lobbiest for 8 years, she's now retired. OH..........
either she's had a lot of, expensive plastic surgery or she s too young to be retired! Either way $ came from lobbying against US! Yes we WERE here 8 years ago too!
Then there's that Lil' ole' soth'en belle MArsha Blackburn. Is there a shortage of female voters in that state? HSe had to have won in sex appeal, certainly not brain power!
Atklleast Tom Friedman is being interviewed by Farrid Zacharria..they sound like intelligent normal human beings! What a pleasure!

Posted by qop | September 14, 2008 6:15 PM

Posted on September 14, 2008 18:15

qop

woke up this morning hoping that the AWRP rally would start a trend and wondered where we would go to try to rally the troops in each of our areas. Went to http://www.womenagainstpalin.com and saw that there’s something in Golden, CO on 9/15. Here’s the info.:

Colorado WAP Rally Monday, Sept. 15th
Women Against Palin
Action
Go to…HomeForumTake Action!MediaAbout Colorado WAP member, Michelle, is organizing a peaceful rally during Sarah Palin’s visit to Golden,
Colorado on Monday.

When: Meet 7 a.m. on Monday, Sept 15th
Where: Meet at Starbucks Highway 93 & Washington. We’ll all carpool from there to Jefferson County
Fairgrounds
What: Peaceful rally against Palin at Palin’s speech at Jefferson County Fairgrounds
Who: Women & Men

Go to to http://www.womenagainstpalin.com and register to commune with like-minded people in your neck o’ the woods! I just did. I really do think that the AWRP rally is just the beginning and the http://www.womenagainstpalin.com

Posted by qop | September 14, 2008 7:12 PM

Posted on September 14, 2008 19:12

qop

Oh this one is GOOD!
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/12-09-2008/106354-palindevil-0
Palin – the Devil in disguise
Front page / Opinion / Columnists
12.09.2008

The candidate for the Vice Presidency of the United States of America, whose experience in small town politics, mothers´day dos and the local hockey club is her claim to fame, threatened to open the gates of Hell by attacking Russia in the event of another invasion of Georgia in a televised interview on ABC (shown today). One question for this self-opinionated upstart: Do you know what a nuclear holocaust is?...............
DO read!

Posted by qop | September 14, 2008 7:25 PM

Posted on September 14, 2008 19:25

Susan Beene

Sally and all, I had an Aha! moment last night when considering the improbability of a Sarah Palin VP candidacy. Is it possible that she's a ringer?

When you consider everything we know about her (and speculate on what we don't), she is like the absolute antithesis of Hillary Clinton, or any other progressive women politicians who have worked extremely hard to earn their political credentials.

I mean, she is so much like Bush Jr. it's scary. I don't think the public is exactly in love with W these days, and it seems almost like McCain picked her to ensure his defeat.

Her comment to Charles Gibson when asked about whether she thought Obama should have picked Hillary was so snide and snarky: "I bet he's wishin' he picked her." She said that in that little Hannah highschool sing-songy voice with a a little smirk on her face. She practically winked at Gibson. That was so unbelievably insulting to Clinton and to any other woman who has had to prove herself for years and years in the vetting process that is required for people (not just women) to advance politically and attain respect. It made me want to hurl.

I mean, who really names their kids Track and Trig? They sound like HS courses.

The more things that keep seeming to fall out of her closet continue to astonish me. I just can't believe a Presidential candidate who is really about the business of WINNING a race would have picked this woman unless they really are supposed to "take one for the party".

Posted by Susan Beene | September 14, 2008 7:31 PM

Posted on September 14, 2008 19:31

Susan Beene

Further to my comment about SP as a ringer. If you think about her so-called political career, how does a small town mayor make the decision to leap into state politics? We're not just talking about a run for a state legislative seat or congress, but to run for governor? Did she have someone whisper in her ear about greasing the wheels to help her? Maybe that someone was none other than Rove. He was still around back then, and he has made a reputation for hand picking and placing people in positions for runs at elective office that he saw as critical for the repugs' seizure of power.

Alaska would have provided an ideal environment in which to manipulate an election, especially if your intention was to find a woman to pit against Hillary Clinton, who was viewed 2 years ago as the certain nominee of the Dems.

Posted by Susan Beene | September 14, 2008 7:45 PM

Posted on September 14, 2008 19:45

Crystal

A dose of reality for those still of sound mind, from Bob Herbert of the NY Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/13/opinion/13herbert.html?em

Posted by Crystal | September 14, 2008 10:47 PM

Posted on September 14, 2008 22:47

Old Mayfly

Just had a science-fictionish thought: the Republicans keep saying that Sarah Palin is "real." "She's real," they say, as if that were surprising.

Maybe they know something we don't. Could it be that Nancy Pfotenaur, Dana Perino (White House spokesperson), Elizabeth Hasselbeck (on The View), Ann Coulter, etc., and all those other creepily similar skinny blonde wingnuts are Not real? Maybe Stepford women?

Just wondering.

Posted by Old Mayfly | September 15, 2008 1:22 AM

Posted on September 15, 2008 01:22

Beasley

QOP, I saw the same interview on Wolf Blitzer, who I think is a closet Nazi. But anyway, the Republican "face lift" had a very annoying habit of shaking her head in mock dismay and condescension whenever the Dem. gal talked...as if to say,"Oh you poor, misguided little woman." Studied...rehearsed and deadly. May the universe present her with her own mirror image day after day after day.
I wish I could get accurate birth times for everybody. I really think more and more that damn chart for Obama is NOT right. Oh well.

Posted by Beasley | September 15, 2008 2:09 AM

Posted on September 15, 2008 02:09

GARRY

Hi Astrofam! Is everyone "enjoying" the latest scalar weapon engineered gas price gouges? By gawd big oil wanted $5/gal gas and they may just get it in time for 4Q. I am REALLY tired of the phrase "pain at the pump" and I want it to disappear along with the neo-feudalists who caused it.

Old Mayfly, that James Watt was something else, wasn't he? I distinctly remember the flap after that Jesus remark, where a news report showed him on a tennis court. They asked him about it and he stretched his arms out against a fence, imitating JC on the cross. Talk about brazen!!!

In other news, I'm down about 69 lbs since Feb but still working through some issues. I was retested for sleep apnea and they told me it has lessened but I still have it, despite me being able to sleep without the machine and without waking. Oh well---I may go back on it at some point but do hope to beat the apnea.

I do hope everyone here is doing well and I'm sorry for not posting more often but I have been lurking lately. I'm deeply saddened by the emergence of these Aquarians who are on "the dark side" but I am trying to do my part to push back against them all.

PS: One last thing--does anyone else feel the choice of Palin as veep means the election is being gamed, and the (KKKarl/Rovian)spin will be that feminists deserted the Dems to vote for McAin't/Paleincomparison?

Namaste and love y'all
G

Posted by GARRY | September 15, 2008 3:18 AM

Posted on September 15, 2008 03:18

Teresa

What are the odds?

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Conservatives_fear_lastminute_Obama_veep_switch_0914.html

Posted by Teresa | September 15, 2008 3:26 AM

Posted on September 15, 2008 03:26

out_sider_1

A childhood love of cows can open unique opportunities...

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20080914/ARTICLE/809140380/2055/NEWS&title=Palin_packs_her_benches_with_old_pals_and_new_supporters

Posted by out_sider_1 | September 15, 2008 4:54 AM

Posted on September 15, 2008 04:54

Sally

I saw that outsider and just cracked up. These people are unbelievable. They incompetence is all over the place, no wonder the economic situation is falling like a landslide. The markets will go crazy tomorrow, wonder if they can print money fast enough to get themselves through the day tomorrow, much less through the election. Just keep battening down the hatches folks, the idiots and fools are running the bank and running amock, we will have to pay for it all.

I did hear some good news, the CEO's of Freddie and Fannie will not get their contractual severance package of 24 million, thanks to the democrats who pushed that through

Posted by Sally | September 15, 2008 7:12 AM

Posted on September 15, 2008 07:12

Guido

I'm interested in your Palin prediction. I see that Brian Ross is on her case and that can't be good (ask Mark Foley). And now hubby has to go before those Alaskan legislators. His spouse has McCain running interference and she's the guv but hubby is just a regular dude. They should ask questions about matters other than his vindictive attempt to end someone's career. Let's see ... oh yeah, all that state money spent on official travel for just him. Nice gig if you can get it.

Here's a fun one to go along with the astro analysis on Ms. Thing:

"The Morning After the Party's Over: Palin's Dominance Dooms McCain"

http://www.apj.us/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1749&Itemid=2

Posted by Guido | September 16, 2008 10:26 AM

Posted on September 16, 2008 10:26

Astroworld

THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE FOG

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