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I loved Crystal's comment from the last thread!

Here's a little quote from Cosmic Path website which I think may apply today:

"The young do not know enough to be prudent, and therefore they attempt the impossible - and achieve it, generation after generation."
Pearl S. Buck
1892-1973, Pulitzer and Nobel Prize Winning Author

Posted by Crystal [TypeKey Profile Page] | February 5, 2008 6:28 PM

In case it got lost in the last thread, here is why I'm passing up today's entertainment, calling it taking up the first torch & pitchfork and personal protest:
~Has anyone else noticed the strange resurgence of McCain, like, in a few weeks time from No Man's Land to 48%?
~Has anyone else noticed the consistent dead heat numbers between Obama and Clinton (just a few points like in the fake exit poles which matched the outcome which only happens when it's in the repug interests?).

Maybe, just maybe the answer lies with Zogby:
McCain beats Clinton in every pole 8-9%.
Obama beats McCain in every pole 8-9%.

Somebody tell me I'm delusional here about the 1-20-09 chart, which set me off with the genuine concern of who this brittle little McCain man might pick as VP...and who this VP could be the mask behind the mask of the next "president".

color me paranoid.

Posted by patb | February 5, 2008 5:55 PM

Posted on February 5, 2008 17:55

patb :
Karen, I'm with you on writing in Kucinich. Since the '08 election has that familiar (but not 'because') square of mars/neptune the same old strangeness we've seen since the Aug '99 eclipse appear to be lining up to fool us Thrice.
VP choices are crucial all around. Because this election looks like a 'bait 'n' switch'.
Can't help it: Obama has a wind blowing right through him (but I could be wrong). Clinton is more substantial, yet has no intention of prosecuting war crimes and not a word on either side about the corpse of our constitution and bill of rights lying there rotting in the middle of the cocktail party.

Heads or tails?

Karen, like you I plan to vote Reality and what I know is true. Kucinich, Edwards...
not what has been pre-packaged in cellophane and hammered into our consciousness for the last 24 months.
I'm writing in this time for the first time in 40 years because we're not going to let them dictate the darkside into our minds.
giving it away to the wrong party? Don't think so...this time the point is much deeper than those artificial numbers and outcomes.

Posted by patb | February 5, 2008 6:28 PM

February 5, 2008 at 11:47:28

Headlined on 2/5/08:
Who WIll Decide? Will Super Tuesday, Dem Machine Superdelegates, Super Money, Diebold, the Corpstream Media Or Super Th

by Rob Kall Page 1 of 1 page(s)

http://www.opednews.com

I don't know about you, but I'll be up late, watching the returns. It is unlikely that Hillary or Obama will clearly win. That's because they are splitting the delegates in all the most important states.

One thing that really bothers me is how the superdelegates have such a huge influence on the final outcome. Even if, let's say, Obama was up by 200 or even 300 delegates, the superdelegates could swing the election so Hillary won. The party insiders have WAY too much influence on the primary.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_rob_kall_080205_who_will_decide_3f_wil.htm

patb

Who would McCain pick as VP???

Who else???

Jeb Bush!

WV, no kidding, I heard they added Super Delegates so we the people couldn't nominate a loser for president. I think it goes back to McGovern, but I'd have to look it up again.

Well I have heard that California like elsewhere the turnout is very high. Always interesting to see if we the People can throw a monkey wrench in the machinations of the elites.

wv, seems like it's all figured out for us ahead of time doesn't it (no question mark implied). One way or another, to quote bush in the '03 debate with Kerry on how the dems think they're going to win, but "We're not going to let 'em".
The power brokers have taken propriety over the 'game' which are our voting powers.

HaHaHa......wv....Huckabee gets all 18 of your delegates. Guess you'll have to start going to church! CNN

Moon voc 0 aquarius: An old Adobe Mission in California.

previous 290 Capricorn: A secret Meeting of Men responsivble for executive decisions in World Affairs.

No patb not paranoid at all!

I've observed a lot of fury & rage in the blogs for the last week (?or more) Barring that some are freepers, the Hilary/Obama supporters are going at each other tooth & nail. I wonder if this is in large part denial?
Every 8th poster states the voice of reason & tells it like it is, BUT no one seems to have had a moment of realization and responded with a post to that effect.

Oh THAT WAS Moon 0 Capricorn NOT 290! in the above post.

Well, well, PatQOP. Looks like you actually went straight to the point of mars/pluto's ingress into capricorn 0-degrees in dec this year just after the election!
That's no mistake at all.

1-2 deg Aquarius: An Unexpected Thunderstorm

2-3 deg Aquarius: A Deserter From The Navy

3-4 deg Aquarius: A Hindu Yogi Demonstrates His Healing Powers

4-5 deg Aquarius: A Council Of Ancestors Is Seen Implementing Thee Efforts Of A Young Leader

5-6 deg Aquarius: A Masked Figure Performs Ritualistic Acts In A Mystery Play

Can someone more skilled than I figure out how far the moon goes before there is some resolution this evening?

here are two of Goldsmith's sabians (which I hope are not misconstrued as some competition with Lynda's):
(apologize for length, but think these are telling, in fact I left one out).

0 or l Aq:
A traveler comes upon ancient temple in the desert, part of it fallen into ruin and part of it adapted for modern use.
"Recognizing that worldly institutions decay to the degree that they lose their indwelling soul or spiritual raison d' etre: strengthening one's country's shared ideals by putting them into serviceable (if unrecognizable) modern forms; adopting a life-mission that fits one's inner nature vs. ending up in situations that seem artibitrary or absurd....."

...and ironically with previous posts today~
Tomorrow's eclipse 18 Aq:
An ominoous silence falls as the last man at a masquerade party prepares to unmask. Outside, a thunderstorm is brewing.
"Exposing uncomfortable truths; unwillingness to relate on a phony, masky level (troublemakers, enjoy tattling people); bringing negative undertones to the surface and clearing the air like a thunderstorm; breaking through fears and doubts that isolate people from each other; sweet and vulnerable self-revelation vs. fearful choking of secrets; keeping one's own counself vs. accepting one's duty to illumiate the group mind (strike powerful chord with the public);
introducing neglected but relevant spiritual truths; critically analyzing phony social scenes vs. making them real enough to participate in; serving as unconscious agents of some larger revelation, however unpleasant (making an unpleasant discovery when it's already too late); penetrating revelations vs. the irresponsible use of shock tactics.

Follow this with today's Red Pill in the Matrix from Kristo:

http://kristo.com/papa.html

Patb those are interesting, Goldsmith, I'll have to dig out my Rudhyar.

When the polls opened in Washington DC the t. moon was forming a conjunction to the US n. Pluto, t. NN conjunct the US n. Moon. Change wafts through the air, with the force of a hurricane.

DOW tanked hard today.

http://morganaseawalker.com/USAPollsOpen.jpg

hooferkinwee on the sabian symbols, Patqop and b.

And, for those of you who keep following the ME cable cut/bourse embroglio and still believe something is going on despite the outright "you're a conspiracy theorist if you believe this stuff" retorts which surfaced over on DU.

http://www.dissidentvoice.org:80/2008/02/irans-oil-bourse-could-topple-the-dollar/

What i find very interesting in this article -- and you have to read down some, is the dates of military convergences. Whew doggie!

WHat does hooferkinwee mean?
I have been trying, unsuccessfully, to stay awake to see of they report on the cables on Mosaic World News. The aggression from the Isrealis, the conflict over the broken border to Egypt, the subsequent suicide bombing in Isreal by Palestinians coming in from Egypt; ( following Condis call to Mubarek to chastise him for allowing the Palestinians to buy desperately needed food & fuel.......) after which the Egyptians clamped down....... have superceded it.
Then there was the suicide bombing in Baghdad by two alleged mentally challenged women ( detonated by remote)
They have mentioned it on the German News but nothing startling.......

patqop -- hoo ferkin' wee, just an expression of mine meaning WOW!

Karen, that's a damn good clean smart article.

Here's story 3rd cable cut (before the 4th) Feb 1, 6am off Dubai:

http://www.itp.net/news/509930-third-submarine-cable-hit

This chart has ven/jup/pluto in the 12th hidden power, money interests (what else is there I ask you) no surprises there.

Mercury is retro at 22aq delivering the goods to neptune's 21-degree aq in the second house of (no surprises)watery lying hands (mercury).

Lastly of much else obviousness, Saturn is retrograde in virgo (mercury as we're well aware)in the 8th house of other people's resources.

I'm counting on the horse's head in gwpinhead's bed..engulfed by his own intentions.

The West Virginia caucuses gave it to Huckabee, or as some suggest, McCain orchestrated the win. Here is a look at West Virginia with Huckabee and Romney.

http://morganaseawalker.com/WVRepugs.jpg

I think the Republicans are going to get really dirty. Lou Dobbs doesn't like McCain or any of the other candidates. It's been floated about that some of the more disgruntled conservatives will put up their own candidate.

Speaking of, I heard Susan Eisenhower on why she was supporting Obama on MSNBC earlier, the Republican Party of today is not the one of her grandfathers.

Lunch hours gotta love them.

The Georgia polls are next to close, or first to close however you want to look at it.

Here's a tri-wheel of Georgia, with Clinton and Obama. I'm thinking it'll go to Obama, big.

http://morganaseawalker.com/GADems.jpg

I'll be back with the Repugs in a bit.

Morgana, what a Rage Party! the rethugs pummeling each other in the snakepit of their own making!

Now that's a Manhatten served deep, unchilled with a cherry.

That was a GOP only caucus in WV. Our
primary is in May..

February 5, 2008, 11:26 am

McCain Tops the Democrats in Media Coverage

By Katharine Q. Seelye

If you’re anxiously awaiting tonight’s results, you can stop pacing and consider this:
In the last week, Senator John McCain has surpassed even Senator Barack Obama and Senator Hillary Clinton in the amount of news coverage he has received.
The media effectively anointed Mr. McCain as the Republican front-runner after he won Florida. At the same time, reporters were writing up a storm about how conservatives were trying to deny Mr. McCain the crown. All of this made for a frothy brew of coverage for the week of Jan. 28 to Feb. 3.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/mccain-tops-the-democrats-in-media-coverage/

Has anyone else noticed that Liebermerde
seems to be in the background of most of
McCain's public appearances?

Lieberliar wants Cheney's digs.

Lieberliar..."oiling his way across the floor, oozing charm (wretch) from every pore".

ANd Isreal wants a Hillary win!

Chosen One: do you choose the comfort and peace of the Blue Pill, or the Truth, which is the Red Pill.
(disclaimer; no relationship whatsoever with political color symbols)

Reporting from Georgia--in-town Atlanta polling places very busy all day. Every single Georgia precinct uses a no-paper/no-possible-audit or verification Diebold machine.

I am predicting for the GOP here a big Romney win. (Unless I am mistaken and the GOP fatcats really do want McCain--but I don't think so. ) Sooo, Romney for the GOP in Georgia.

Earlier today I intended to vote for Edwards since he is still on the ballot. But, the Democratic party in GA seems to be backing Clinton. At the last minute I voted for Obama. But who knows how that Diebold machine recorded my vote? (The Bush Ranger who owns the company knows.)

Polls here close in ten minutes.

My word that's early to close, In Atlanta!
Good move.........

Here's the quadri-wheel for Georgia Repugs

http://morganaseawalker.com/GARepugs.jpg

I haven't gotten a chance to look at it, who resonates with what planet in Georgia, Moon, Sun, Jupiter, Mercury etc. Back in about an hours, still working.

While I'm at it, here's Illinois both Dem and Repug.

http://morganaseawalker.com/ILDems.jpg

http://morganaseawalker.com/ILRepugs.jpg

MSNBC says GA going to Obama

Wow! A lot to look at in that chart, Morgana. Interesting that the 10th House is Aquarius occupied by Saturn, the old ruler of Aquarius. Oglethorpe founded the colony pretty much on Aquarian principals (for his time, at least). I read once that Oglethorpe laid down three laws for the Colony of Georgia: No slavery, No selling whiskey or firearms to the Native Americans, No lawyers.

But I notice the Sun is in the 8th House of other people's wealth (in some cases, I suspect, stolen from other people's wealth.) Anyhow, there has been a lot of downhill since Oglethorpe.

PS, Georgia was a Crown Colony, and was the last colony to agree to separate from Great Britain.

Massachusetts:

http://morganaseawalker.com/MADems.jpg

http://morganaseawalker.com/MARepugs.jpg

Well, I notice Romney's North Node is pretty close to the Georgia ASC and his Pluto pretty much conjunct to the IC. Don't know if that denotes destiny.

I was trying to see how the candidates' planets connected with the Georgia Moon. But the only thing I spotted was McCan's 9 degree Taurus Uranus square GA moon.

The more I try to get some insight into a tri-wheel, the more I respect you really great astrologers.

If anyone has a particular State they are interested in blog it, I'll add NY here shortly

http://morganaseawalker.com/MARepugs.jpg

http://morganaseawalker.com/MADems.jpg

California

http://morganaseawalker.com/CADems.jpg

http://morganaseawalker.com/CARepugs.jpg

New York:

http://morganaseawalker.com/NYDems.jpg

http://morganaseawalker.com/NYRepugs.jpg

Connecticut:

http://morganaseawalker.com/CTDems.jpg

http://morganaseawalker.com/CTRepugs.jpg

Ok it's freezing cold here and my furnace went out and I am waiting for a repair man. I have gloves on typing this as my hands are getting colder and colder along with my nose.

A few days ago I had a dream that Obama won all 22 states, however in looking at a composite chart between Hillary and Obama and the day today, it looks as if Hillary will have a better day than Obama but not a perfect day. At the end of the day the Obama camp will suspect foul play. Combining an individual chart with the chart of a day, a state, an event etc. can give one a good idea how their day will turn out. Sadly I am not absolutely sure about either birthtime but even without it, Hillary will have a better day.

I think I like your dream Sally.

No space heater ? Stay warm! I had frozen fingers myself when I couldn't get the wood stove to stay lit. My husband had to climb up on the roof in the pouring rain and clear the chimney. But I had fire. I couldn't type my fingers were so stiff with cold (I am such a weenie, southwestern blood, 80 degrees is just about right, 20 degree anything and I am a popsickle).

Hey, Sally--

Is your kitchen stove working? Turn on oven, and open oven door.

Depending on how your house is configured, it will help some.

New Jersey

http://morganaseawalker.com/NJDems.jpg

Tennessee

http://morganaseawalker.com/TNDems.jpg

Thanks Mayfly, I did that but the house is not conducive to transporting heat that way but if I stay in the kitchen at least my hands are warm.

Romney won Mass and McCain Connecticut but Romney's chart resonates to Mass anyway

Oklahoma for Clinton, Tennessee for Clinton

Oklahoma Dems

http://morganaseawalker.com/OKDems.jpg

Took a look at Connecticut, nothing jumping out.

Arkansas went to Hillary (former first lady) not suprising.

Arkansas

http://morganaseawalker.com/ARDems.jpg

New Mexico

http://morganaseawalker.com/NJDems.jpg

Arizona

http://morganaseawalker.com/AZDems.jpg

Alabama

http://morganaseawalker.com/ALDems.jpg

Missouri Dems

http://morganaseawalker.com/MODems.jpg

Obama won Illinois and Clinton won NY. It is a good sign when the people you represent like you.

My thought too....
How are you doing Sally? You haven't posted for a little bit.
I hope that means you are busy with the heater repairman!

Morgana, Can you do a chart for Maine? We don't caucus 'till Sunday, but as Romney has already won the right side I am curious.............

Well, I voted for Edwards here in Utah. Not that I believe my vote really gets counted anymore. I just thought it was important to give Edwards a little more leverage at the convention. I can't get behind either of these two.

MAINE

March 15, 1820
11:23am
Portland,

Sun, Jupiter Neptune, Saturn all in Pisces (as is Clinton's Moon) NN, Mercury, Moon in Aries and Venus in Taurus.

I think Maine will pull for Clinton although their Aries will resonate with his Leo, but emotionally they are seemingly more connected to Clinton. There is a wild card and thatis their Pisces Jupiter conjuncts Obama's Chiron, they could perceive him as having the ability to heal some of the serious problems in their state. He needs to pick up his education piece.

I just skimmed the comments quickly so forgive me if this has already been mentioned. Missouri for Clinton; Kansas for Obama. (I really wanted John Edwards).

Sorry, my bad. I spoke too soon. Missouri and Kansas haven't officially called it yet. These are just the leads.

Well I don't know about CLinton but I think I am in the right place! All that Pisces in my 10th with my Jupiter.
I have been looking at the Fundrace on Huffpost to see what contributions have been made to campaigns. ( It's down at least 75% from the last election ) but the $ support is Edwards, Obama, Clinton.in that order. It doesn't mean much as people who can't afford to contribute will go out & vote.

It's hard to imagine how MSNBC could call California for Hillary when only 15 percent of the vote is in. California has 36 and a half million people in it, 15 percent is nothing. They are going by their exit polls. Hope I get up in the morning to an Obama victory. This is ridiculous to call it for Hillary and McCain absolutely ridiculous. It makes me think that the powers that be have already decided who the two candidates will be and it will be McCain and Hillary, that will be the choices we are forced to live with and vote for.

Sally, 4 million people were able to vote early in CA, me included. I voted for Hillary....most of us did. CA is NOT CO. We are far more liberal here. I still think for some reason that Obama is appealing to more conservative voters, the independents, etc.

There are voting problems here, sure, as the turn out has been mind boggling.... they RAN OUT OF PAPER BALLOTS in Santa Clara co. and Alameda co. I know LA had some problems like that also. In Berkeley, at the University, so many students showed up to vote, they were inline when the polls closed. So they were allowed to vote...until 10 pm. Those votes will not get counted until tomorrow. Obama may pull up closer by tomorrow, but since this is a proportional elective process, they will split the delegates anyway. I do NOT want to see Obama get the nod, because I am pretty damned tired of the boys club. Hillary would be a very good president, and I'm sticking with the women....Obama is a very good social worker who knows how to bring people together, but he is one more man in the game.

He's already given in to AIPAC .... does anyone REALLY think he is going to change the political system? Bill Clinton was right...it is a big fairy tale.
http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2008/01/obamas-israel-shuffle.html

Good morning Sally, I hope you are nice & warm by now and the heater repairs, didn't cost too much.
I caved just as Ca. polls were closing.

What qop said. I hope you are warm and restored Sally!

..........

http://sabiansymbols.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/02/the-dark-side-o.html

Super Tuesday and The Dark Side of the Moon: Where's the Masquerade? February's Annular Solar Eclipse

...........

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/02/iran-launches-r.html

Iran Launches Rocket, Claims Seat In Spacefaring-Nations Club

By John Borland February 04, 2008 | 12:40:41 PMCategories: Space

The Associated Press reports that Iran has opened a new space center, and launched a rocket that – at least according to the country's state TV – has reached space.

What that means remains a matter for some debate. A similar rocket launched by Iran last April didn't make orbital height. Iranian State TV reported today that the Explorer-1 rocket was "launched into space," and that the country has thus "joined the world's top 11 countries possessing space technology to build satellites, and launch rockets into space."

The AP cites suspicions by unnamed experts that the rocket launches are a cover for developing military ballistic missiles. I'm going to hazard a guess that this isn't going to calm anybody's concerns about Iran's nuclear ambitions.

More at the link....

.........

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/weather/02/06/tornadoes/index.html?iref=newssearch

27 killed in Arkansas, Kentucky and Tennessee

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20080205_the_legacy_of_bush_ii/

The Legacy of Bush II

Curb your enthusiasm. Even if your favored candidate did well on Super Tuesday, ask yourself if he or she will seriously challenge the bloated military budget that President Bush has proposed for 2009. If not, military spending will rise to a level exceeding any other year since the end of World War II, and there will be precious little left over to improve education and medical research, fight poverty, protect the environment or do anything else a decent person might care about. You cannot spend well over $700 billion on “national security,” running what the White House predicts will be more than $400 billion in annual deficits for the next two years, and yet find the money to improve the quality of life on the home front.

The conventional wisdom espoused by the mass media is that Bush’s budget is a lame-duck DOA contrivance, but that assumption is wrong. The 9/11 attacks have been shamefully exploited by the military-industrial complex with bipartisan support to ramp up military expenditures beyond Cold War levels. This irrational spending spree, which accounts for more than half of all federal discretionary spending, is not likely to end with Bush’s departure. Which one of the likely winners from either party would lead the battle to cut the military budget, and where would the winner find support in Congress? Both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have treated the military budget as sacrosanct with their Senate votes and their campaign rhetoric. Clinton is particularly clear on the record as favoring spending more, not less, on the military.

More at the link....

Good morning, AWers! Not only was a storm brewing, it hit. It's an apt physical metaphor for what has been created to slap the American people around. Will we fight back?

Sally, hope your heating challenge is resolved! Used to live in an uninsulated house in Michigan's UP. We wore hats and mittens and long underwear all day including to bed.

McCain, as promised, will be the Republican nominee. It looks all but sewn up. But we knew that, didn't we. Ghouliani's request of several states manifested -- winner of the popular vote take all. Another scenario entirely with the Dems. Will the delegates side with Clinton? Taking in to account all that Sally and Morgana and Nancy have written, i'll bet it will be a dog dirty fight with Clinton proving she's the dirtier dog. (Sorry Judi, i couldn't resist).

PatC, military billions spending liberals.
Now there's a mind-bending concept.

http://www.crisispapers.org/essays8w/sizes-up.htm

"I received the coded message from "Shallow Throat" -- the high-ranking GOP mole in the Bush Administration -- and quickly arranged a Bethesda meeting at the place I was housesitting.

ST didn't even wait to sit down on the sofa before starting the vent: "Everytime I think you and your Democrat friends have some smarts, and are showing some moxie that might lead to a turnaround in public policy, you screw it up."............

I'm attempting some calculations and would appreciate y'all letting me know where you might see other numbers. Right now, I have the numbers (they will change somewhat, of course, but they should be pretty solid at this point) for only these states: AZ, IL, MA, MO, NY, NJ. Although I need lots more data, the percent of total by party is as follows: 66.9% Dems (6,919,000 votes), 33.1% Repukes (3,416,000 Votes).

Pls let me know if you find other numbers. Very interesting.

http://www.bradblog.com/

Hooo boy.

Shy, let us know what you're up to. Interesting only 1/2 repulsives vote numbers.

qop, although the 'shallow throat' barely acknowledges the total truth displasia (flip the list of our so-called front runners, make it impossible for the best candidates to breathe air, etc.). This morning we're hearing little about popular votes, with Delegate, Delegate, Delegate percentage runners under the bobbleheads.
He is right about Infiltrating the democratic party with progressives (well underway, no mystery there) and the necessity of revolution.

Through hooded eyes it's easy to see the cards will fall exactly as planned 2 years ago.
Don't bother getting up. They're not gonna let us.

I love your "shallow throat" QOP. After yesterday's "delegate" marathon I am with "shallow throat" and certainly not up for November. What a sick mess that will be and unless he drops off the face of the earth or gets sick we will be stuck with McCain. I simply don't think I can watch that.

There is an Eclipse out there at 17 Aquarius exact at 10:44pm Washington, DC. The bad weather yesterday across the south was a good indication of the damage an Eclipse can do and so far the US got off easily. This Eclipse falls into the US 3/9 Houses, communication of all types including pundits filling the airwaves with nonsense (that's the most politically correct word I can think of right now. I do have others but they border on obscene.) This eclipse is from Saros Series 10 North (Bernadette Brady's Book The Eagle and the Lark) "A strong emphasis on communication and at the same time, frustrating or inhibiting events may come into the person's life via news, paperwork or a young person. The person may feel tired and drained and this is therefore a good time to take things quietly and work through the difficulties one at a time." That would certainly be accurate for the personal planets that aspect this eclipse, the outer planets have more to do with the collective or a whole group of people. For instance, I have a client whose NN is at 17 Aquarius and she received an offer of a "new" job yesterday, but it squared the NN of Arkansas (where the storms hit)

The US will only receive impulses as the Eclipse does not go over this country or hit any hot spots, so it will be an impact just like any aspect for people living in this country. I don't see any major earthquakes or fires for the US, however tornado's ripping through the South was pretty bad last night.

It went across my 5/11 house cusp and there has been a flurry of kids issues and needs as well as connections with a lot of old friends. Look in your charts and see if the eclipse is hitting a planet or house cusps.

Just had a gruelling hour or whatever of entering a million numbers, since the totals were not calculated. I now have totals entered for AK, AL, AZ, AR, CA, CO, CN, DE, GA, IL, IA, MS (Mass--not Miss), Michigan, Minnesota, MO, NH, NJ, NY, ND, OK, TN, Utah. Totals are: Dems 16,018,616 and Pukes 10,171,133. Percentages: 61.2% Dem and 38.8% Repuke. We can whup McCain (R-Insane) if we stick together.

BushCo is now telling us they tortured and it's ok and they may/may not do it again. Are we in the U.S. in 2008 or have we gone through some time machine back to, oh, Germany in the '30s and '40s?
http://tinyurl.com/39lx28

Good going Shy! Might we also ask ourselves where Edwards and Kucinich supporters went?
To HC? Highly doubtful.
HC gave Edwards a 'promise' to improve the lot of the poor and he stated HC convinced him more than Obama. Wonder if he'll actually endorse either of them (hope his amoeba doesn't get swallowed into those amoebas), if he really has integrity and a message he'll know the difference between being the traditional gentleman and distancing his message from theirs as he rightly SHOULD preserving his integrity and break through to the land of the True Progressives.

A year ago we were getting the clear message that our newly elected congress would fight for us (recall Pelosi) and we said "get a spine" until we realized they were simply corrupt and let the completion of the shredding of our founding principles and the death economy continue unhindered.

Well, it is our country and have to wrest it back from them and find our own spines and do the job ourselves from the ground up. It will take years but it's worth it. It's ok to give up on this charade seeing it for what is really is and just get busy shifting our focus elsewhere, back to the fulfillment of our original vision and power.

I hope Edwards especially and Kucinich STAY ANGRY. As should we.

Thanks for the hard work Shy! That's very encouraging, because; the Dems were allowed a finale speech; BUT McInsane is getting all the coverage always with that Liebervulture hovering behind him!

patb, there are a lot of disgruntled people on Huffpo, Common Dreams,& DU blogs who voted or are still going to for Edwards.

qop, although this sounds awful, mars & saturn do a jig over McInsane's sun july & august, perhaps informing us a bit more as to the nature of that odd bit on his jaw/cheek.
A year 1/2 ago a cameraman caught McC from his left side (a no-no with McC) talking to another senator, got a clear closeup of what appeared to be a "shunt" tube under the skin of his neck behind the ear. It looked like a big scoop of tissue had been removed in that area behind that lump we see in frontal photos.
McC turned and appeared angry glancing at the cameraman then turning his back.

Who would wish ill on another, of course we are all human (sort of) underneath and not wish him harm, just um, out of the way.

Hello all,

Hope no one here was affected by those nasty tornadoes that blew through the south yesterday, and of all days, for it to be Super Tuesday. I didn't get a time-line on when they occurred, but I hope nobody was out there because they had to vote.

Sorry I couldn't join the Super Tuesday party here, but I was obliged to be at another party.

I am not at all discouraged by the election results, and in fact, I think with this solar eclipse that is occurring at 11 p.m. EST tonight, Obama will catch a second wind going forward, not because the eclipse forms any particular aspect with any of his planets or house cusps (I don't know), but because his campaign, or movement as he now calls it, is described by this solar eclipse in Aquarius - Uranus its ruler, represents the kind of change that Obama is seeking - a radical, from the bottom up revolutionary change, and this type of change is not easily achieved, unlike the superficial type "change" that the other candidates are mouthing. And I believe that he will achieve it. His dreams are not pipedreams, but blueprints of what he can materialize in concrete form. This is borne out by his Mars in Virgo trine Saturn in Capricorn. It's the slow and steady type change that endures. What's more, he has the type of faith that can move mountains - his faith in himself to accomplish what he sets out to do, and this is the type of faith he wants to inspire in each and everyone of us, so all those slogans you hear him use in his campaign are not just empty words. They are designed to inspire us to bring about that change by believing in ourselves (faith), and using that faith to remove obstacles, and he has experienced this firsthand, because this is what has brought him thus far, but not without a struggle.

So Sally, I would have to disagree with your premise that the election is already decided, because if I believe that, then I have resigned myself to failure, but I haven't, and I won't. I will fight for what I believe in, and when you have hundreds of thousands believing like that, then you have a positive force for change.
Obama has Jupiter in Aquarius, the humanitarian sign, and I interpret this to mean that he plays on a world stage, not just an American stage, and I believe that he can change the way other countries view us - in a more positive and humane light, unlike the one in which we are presently seen.

Change. The word has no content. Just when we think we'll hear something with gravity and content it sort of evaporates and I experience a petit morte.

Is there promise in pergatory?

QOP - hahaha "Liebervulture" indeed! Looks more like a pasty-faced Harlequin, or the kiss of death - literally what he was to Al Gore.

Well PatB, it depends on what you believe. I don't believe in purgatory.

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14489.html#more-14489

Carpetbagger Report Campaign Roundup

Liebervulture liarman, the sharpei..also has saturn/mars opposite his sun giving him feedback this summer. Pretty exact.
Besides, election day's saturn/uranus oppo square his moon and transiting venus/sag. Saturn floats in his 7th this year & next making him feel a bit like an aging hooker.

Crystal, maybe Blake's view of purgatory, more at just a state of mind.

Still, it's alright to respect one another's differing views on what's happening and try not to take it personally. The repugs are doing a good job of that amongst themselves.

I think we all want a good, just and simple outcome as it was in the old days. Some of us have doubts that run more cynical as to how deep the donkey dung.

I agree with Crystal that we have to believe that change is possible and keep fighting for it.

My question--and what it boils down to for me--is are we ready for change THIS YEAR, or are we still more afraid than we are ready.

My fear is that if we are not ready for change this year, that the young people clamoring for it will be discouraged, and will not be able to lay the groundwork for it in 2012.

I don't want to wait for 2012. Or even 2010. But I will if I have to.

So should we be thinking now, or long term?

Oh my God! The teacher who wrote the historical story I am going to illustrate, has died! He just finished the manuscript 2 or 3 weeks ago!
He was 80, I wonder what his chart looks like.......died on the eclipse!

On lighter matters, is anyone on this blog at all interested in sports? The reason I ask this is because I find it interesting all the trade activity happening today, on the day of a solar eclipse--the possible trade of Shaquille O'Neal to the Phoenix Suns, in particular.

Also, one of the star players on the Suns, Steve Nash (2/7/74), has his solar return directly on this eclipse. Any takers?

qop, how shocking for you this must be! So often we hear about someone flying off just after fulfilling a work. Bet he'll be looking over your shoulder guiding those illustrations.

Gina, you raise an important point about all this that I tend to forget (thinking we're too far gone) about needing to stand upon at least some democratic guiding principles even if they're perhaps not exactly perfect. That is a very good point.
What I have wondered though, truly and with an unsatisfied curiosity what "change" means. The fruit, the pith, it's legs, the core definition, method and procedure. Who what when where how and why.

All the men are gone who defined the picture with straightforward clarity that we could understand thoroughly. I miss them all.

Psychic Vera’s Diary

January 28

If I like the idea of a black president and I like the idea of a woman president why did I vote for John Edwards in the California primary (absentee ballot)?

1. I think Edwards has more of a chance to beat the Republican (probably John McCain).

2. Obama isn’t specific enough about what he wants to do,instead speaking in generalities about needing change and reconciliation. He doesn’t have much experience. I don’t know specifically what he wants. Why couldn’t he have waited for another 8 years? Can he get through the black prejudice that still controls the South?

http://www.aquilaink.com/Secret%20Diary%20169.html

Dr. Dean has come out all fiery and determined that we can do maintain the momentum. As he says in a letter that just arrived in my in-box:

"We must be ready to fight back, and fight back hard, today.

"Now that we know our opponent, it's time to build a national effort on the programs you and I have worked so hard to create over the last four years - from our cutting-edge technology to our voter protection programs, it's time to shift gears."

He's right. Not a moment to lose. If interested, you can contribute here:
https://www.democrats.org/page/contribute/FightMcCain

Been sexually harrassed and assaulted by Halliburton? You get to go to a secret arbitration.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4249898&page=1

We are losing it all, folks. And rapidly, too.

Now that the U.N. Torture Investigator has blasted them for acknowledging the torture, what'll they do? Withdraw from the U.N. Betcha they'll try.
http://tinyurl.com/2htclq

They've also twisted arms sufficiently to get CBS news to back off another dark and terrible tale:
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/06/first-abu-ghriab-and-now-siegelman/

(Hope this isn't a dupe. Tried posting it a minute ago, but nothing happened. Or so I thought.)

from the above post

I am told that Senator Jeff Sessions has been instructed to help the White House discredit Simpson as part of his "Senatorial" duties. Nice system of government we have here, eh?
Yes, and Sessions is the vulture over McCain's right shoulder on the campaign trail.
Story also posted here on DU!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2821448

http://www.atlargely.com/2008/02/60-minutes-cave.html

Hhhhuuumm, here's Hillary Clinton's Super Tuesday speech and it's a whopper (as in ... impressive and very eloquent)... there may be some hope after all.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/

Time publication has these (and more) numbers which reflect what I posted earlier (only, hopefully, these are more accurate):
"Democratic votes for Clinton and Obama: 14,622,822 (63.6%)
"Republican votes for McCain, Romney and Huckabee: 8,370,022 (36.4%)"

http://tinyurl.com/27y35p

Well, I guess we can forget about the dream ticket. This is stupid of him.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/obama_directly_attacks_bills_p.php

and

http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Obama_says_GOP_will_have_dirt_on_Cl_02062008.html

Obama on Clinton ... from the rawstory article posted by PatC (thanks PatC).

""I have no doubt that I can get the people who vote for Senator Clinton. ... It's not clear that Senator Clinton can get all the people I'm getting," he said.

Really? If I were Obama I wouldn't go to the bank on it ... I'm hearing the exact opposite from lots of people.

Well the talking heads are saying the Dem's are fractured, so are the Repugs. They may end up a nightmare ticket, loath and loath more for the sake of party unity. Or we get McInsane for four years, singing his ditty "Bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran... " Oh and Burkaboy Huckster as the veep, he can carry the South.

Shy, in view of those three hardball kill or lose points we have facing us we'd better stop the bickering else we've got 4 years strapped in the front row seat of non-stop horrifying hells, no pee breaks.

Hillary, at least give us Dodd or Edwards. Obama, show us what you're made of and give us Biden. Give us a real man with a real mind. Any assortment of the above or just one will be appreciated.

In the meantime, I'll be visiting Dean (scorpio) to see if he's got some upper body strength for the heavy lifting ahead of us.

I hate all of this.

I listen to Rush Limbaugh just to hear what he's throwing out there (New Orleans public radio plays classic muzak during the day, and our best talk radio channel channels Rush). He made an interesting point today (and boy is he anti-McCain - Dole even wrote to him about that). He said that if Hillary ran (and she's been my preference), she would generate a huge anti-Hillary voter turn-out, but if Obama is the candidate, the Republicans are "doomed" - his words!!!

What do you guys think about that?

"Liebervulture liarman, the sharpei..also has saturn/mars opposite his sun giving him feedback this summer. Pretty exact.
Besides, election day's saturn/uranus oppo square his moon and transiting venus/sag. Saturn floats in his 7th this year & next making him feel a bit like an aging hooker."

I love it, Pat B! "...an aging hooker"!!!!

Obama's Israel Shuffle

The 'pro-Israel' crowd saw Obama as a potential threat. He's done his best two-step to prove them wrong." />

Justin Elliott" />
February 01" /> , 2008" /> Last week, when Barack Obama became the first major candidate to break the silence on the situation in Gaza, he didn't criticize Israel, whose blockade of a civilian population has been roundly condemned by human rights organizations, nor did he call for restraint from the United States' top ally in the Mideast. Instead, he fired off a letter to U.N. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad with a resounding message—one that could have been mistaken for words straight from the American Israel Public Affairs Committee's (AIPAC) website. "The Security Council should clearly and unequivocally condemn the rocket attacks against Israel.… If it cannot...I urge you to ensure that it does not speak at all," Obama wrote, adding he understood why Israel was "forced" to shut down Gaza's border crossings.

http://www.motherjones.com/cgi-bin/print_article.pl?url=http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2008/01/obamas-israel-shuffle.html

Thanks, Sharon! Limbaugh is going by Zogby's theory of McC can beat HC by a wide margin but not Obama.
Keep in mind Limbaugh is really not a logically smart man.
That 1-20-09 chart looks verrrry temporary.
I ask why on earth would HC wish to be besieged the way her husband was, but guess that was before HWB and He were holding hands across the ocean (just not here in this country, hey, over here, we're dyin' here!).

If it's Obama, that could be his assassination depending on whether he has a strong VP. If he does they might let him live. If not, well.

If it's McCain his health might fail then we're stuck with his VP.

Whatever this turns out to be, further reckoning arrives in 2012, when we'll be saying, "what a long strange trip it's been".

Oh yes, what HWB & BC are up to is probably more in keeping with Disaster Capitalism.

Check out the "Year of Living Dangerously" ... by Valenzuela.

It's occurred to me that the reason the primaries have been so dragged out (and the election year turned into the election 2 years ...) is that, more than ever, the elections are simply being used as a distration (for us) so that we don't focus on the final preparations for war with Iran (in this instance) and the rest of the gawd awful stuff Bush and minions have up their sleeves.

The election is nothing more than a mirage anyway. Remember? It's who counts the votes that matters.

This election is just another OJ Simpson trial or Britney Spears or whatever is used to distract us from what we really should be doing. And they've done a great job of it ... all over the internet and the news elections, elections, elections. People fighting, fighting, fighting. Funny how none of that fighting is being used against THOSE WHO MOST DESERVE IT.

Just a flash I suddenly got ... And BTW, just look at the candidates left standing ... isn't that a bit coincidental? Divide and conquerish? I mean, everybody KNEW the dems were going to blow a hole in the repubs, right? Then how did we end up with these two as THE CANDIDATES? And a potential loss to the repubs thrown in for good measure? The new gay marriage paradigm designed to get the masses fighting with each other, only now it's ... with bated breath ... IS AMERICA READY FOR A WOMAN PRESIDENT OR IT'S FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT? That's just on the Dem side ... who cares what the repub sides doing (well, not who cares, but it looks like they're following the same game plan ... WHO MAKES THESE CANDIDATES UP? THE MUNSTERS WOULD DO BETTER THAN THIS ROSTER OF REPUBS) ... I'm not even following it (the repubs stuff) except peripherally. Makes me wonder ... anyway, check out his article if you're in the mood.

http://carolynbaker.net/site/content/view/316/

Hillary = She Who Must Be Obeyed - as in Rumpole of the Bailey. LOL.

Oh, Happy New Year(Chinese)everybody!
I'll shut up now.

Don't know if it has anything to do with Chinese New Year, but Ecuador's Tungurahua volcano has erupted:
http://tinyurl.com/3cy6to

Marta, pitch perfect article. ie., why isn't our attention turned on congressional races cramming in as many progressives and kicking out bluedogs right and left. Right. distraction.
The race is now between dull and duller, which is least corrupt. Heads or tails. We found ourselves here and the MSM is messing with our heads again. This is just a primary (normally low key) and they want us to forget Edwards (just dropped out a week ago) ASAP, along with all the others. Damn!

Very excellent bright panel this evening on Democracy Now. Just because Obama is black doesn't mean much good news for blacks necessarily, and just because H is a woman (Thatcher) is also part of the simplistic flavorless pie. some lovely people here and very much worth a watch or listen:

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/2/6/super_tuesday_roundtable_with_bill_fletcher

Besides, in times like these, hands across the aisle is one of the most naive concepts I've ever heard. If he's not corrupt he'll be swallowed whole like a large rabbit with pointy shoes in a snake's belly. His other choice is corruption.

We need a fighter with a clear head.

Ok ok, I know I said I would shut up, but I couldn't resist this. You know when you follow links to articles, they sometimes have comments posted below the articles, well those comments are sometimes more interesting than the article itself. Under the article entitled "Five Reasons Hillary Should Be Worried", a poster decided to make up his/her own list of 5 reasons, which were all funny, but the funniest I thought was

2)She has more skeletons in her closet than Bella Lugosi.

Hahahahaha. I almost fell off my chair laughing, but I guess you'll only find it funny if you're old enough to remember who Bella Lugosi was.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8363.html

Mind you, no disrespect meant towards Hill, but I just couldn't help myself.

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Prisilla Steinzenmuller, Dir. Of the German Marshall Fund in Berlin................thinks a Dem. Pres may well mean, more pressure on them to send combat troops to Southern Afghanistan, and be harder to deal with as the request will be couched in pleasant diplomatic terms!
All Europe is holdong it's breath for the eresults of our election, tho most of them dsound as sceptical as our progressives!
And did youknow that McCain attends the annual Munich Defense Summit?
Iranian Woman are split between Cl & Ob.
Iranian man thinks thheDems should fess up to their error in Iraq!
Al Jazerra obsrves that the admission of waterboarding being dealt with by Congress today, was certainly timely for being buried
under news of the election results.

No mention of the cables being cut even by Iranian news........

Iran has discovered a new treatment for aides with no side effects!!!!!!!

I know Limbaugh is an idiot (to be polite), Pat B, but he is not a total one. He does have some smarts. The interesting thing is that he has done everything he can to discourage his listeners from voting for McCain. He's for Romney. I can't see Romney beating Obama (or Hillary) but I can see a lot of people staying home & not voting for either, unless there is a 3rd choice for them. It's interesting that the inauqural chart looks like the leader will be temporary. What aspects indicate that? I guess VP choices really ARE very important this time around. I'd like to see Edwards or Biden. I also like Richardson (do I have his name right? governor of NM) but don't know too much about him.

As an overseas observer I'd be interested in your thoughts.

This is a comment from a poster on TPM
"The thing which most recommends Obama to this geezer is his attraction of legions of young folks into the process.It kind of feels like the '60s"

It was made in the context of a large percentage of small donations and volunteer work is coming from young people who at last appear to have found a cause to get them excited about.

Also it's said his campaign has raised 5 mil since the polls closed - Yikes!

Stan

What is wrong with these people? They are going to stone to death two sisters for sitting with males who were not their husbands or something? Why are women so very frightening to these you-know-what-holes?
http://tinyurl.com/2gvblq

Sharon I suppose whatever intellect Limbaugh possesses pummeled as it is into stupification by his bleak hatreds, it is not a remarkable one by any measure. A piano-playing chicken holds more fascination.

How about tomorrow for a look at the inauguration chart. Just really tired this eclipse moment.

qop, Bill Fletcher doesn't fool himself or his readers at blackcommentator.com, so refreshing and deserving of support.

Stan, please read prior posts on this thread, Obama reflects many differing attitudes and sentiments. Youth are starving for meaning and we hope Obama doesn't let them down and proves himself worthy.

Close on fantastic sobering story about William Wilberforce's long long struggle to end the slave trade. It took him 16 years, year in year out to convince Parliament to end it. His struggle from beginning to final fruition of freeing english slaves took 47 years total...3 days before he died.
Sobering antidote for our yearning for instant solutions, no?

Thanks patb
What particularly interests me is - is there a growing feeling among people like AW posters and lurkers in the USA that there's something out there resonating with the 60s?

Astrologers have known for some time. The forthcoming, sure still a wee while away, Uranus/Pluto square, is going to resonate with the cjn in the 60s
In the past there has been the occasional post which has questioned why American youth has not been so active as in the 60s.
Could it be this time they won't take to the streets instead exert their influence in more subtle ways e.g. donating 10 or 20 dollars to a campaign or working behind the scenes as volunteers for a candidate

Stan,
It's a bit early to take on the challenge of that question...later today. tune in later.

http://www.wlbz2.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=80200
(Maine) Democratic Party officials have already started counting absentee ballots. They say their absentee ballot count rivals total voter turnout at last weekend's Republican caucus.
Senator Clinton will make a stop on Saturday in Orono at the University of Maine recreation center at 9:30 in the morning.
Senator Obama will speak Saturday at 2:30 p.m. at the Bangor Auditorium.
If it will ever stop snowing, I may venture out of my isolation, over themountain to Bangor Sat. & see for myself!

http://www.blackcommentator.com/263/263_cover_1_keeping_it_real_obama_euphoria.html
Wow! This one is a zinger! by Larry Pinkney.
Those who ignore reality and the lessons of history do so at their own peril. Ignoring reality, whether in a state of euphoria or not, is nonetheless a sure recipe for disaster.

It is both sad and simultaneously horribly fascinating to observe so many euphorically pinning their hopes and dreams on Barack Obama, a chameleon who speaks liberally of “change” but who is, himself, beholden to the very same blood-sucking corporate vampires (including Lockheed and others) who are ravaging the peoples of America, and the entire planet. It seems we have moved euphemistically from Dracula to a corporately repackaged Blackula in the person of Barack Obama. In the very name of “change,” Obama is moving America euphorically backwards.

For Laughs:
http://mediabloodhound.typepad.com/weblog/2008/01/the-wounded-cou.html
The Wounded-Courier:
Obama Calls Kerry Endorsement A Cheap Shot

Well George needs to go spread freedom and democracy in KSA, just like he has elsewhere. I'm sure the 911 cretins are teeming in the streets, course the good Saudi King lavishes Georgie with gold necklaces like he does his other women. Meanwhile showing how advanced they are as a society. pigs...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/07/world/main3800725.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_3800725

A Starbucks in KSA ...eeewww.

OMG! QOP, re: your 11:36 a.m. post above

"It seems we have moved euphemistically from Dracula to a corporately repackaged Blackula in the person of Barack Obama. In the very name of “change,” Obama is moving America euphorically backwards".

- Blackula! I laughed out loud ... jeez .... too funny! Wasn't there a movie called Blackula?

http://www.rense.com/general80/cpn.htm

Congress Moves To Seize Control Of All US Water

Patb, I'm glad you read Valenzuela's article. I thought it was well put. I don't think anything's going to happen in this country until we do away with corporate donations, 527's, and have publicly financed campaigns and airtime for all candidates. Even if you start another party, you still need millions (if not a billion) to "buy" the Presidency of the United States. It's up for the highest bidder and the one who will do the bidding of his/her owner's.

Everybody else gets quickly knocked out. No, change is going to be painful and wrenching and cataclysmic and that's the only way it's going to happen. We're all "armchair warriors" as is most of the country. Sending a $10 or $20 donation to a cause is a drop in the bucket, Stan (although a worthy drop in the bucket). However in order to achieve a mass change in this country people are going to have to take to the streets. Has anybody noticed that because of the way our cities are structured (cars, cars, cars and spread out, spread away, as in diffused) it's hard to organize a mass of people to congregate and march (that's impressive in a little town with a main street or in NYC). But, in Miami, for instance, we don't have a (as in one) main street and even if we wanted to have a million person march (almost the whole city's population), where would we go? We have Coral Gables, Downtown, Coconut Grove ... there isn't enough parking to accommodate that many people.

Anyway, my point is that as a population, whether by design or by accident, we all live fairly isolated from one another. Look at Europe where everybody is jammed into small housing spaces and alot of people continue to live in the CITY (not in suburbs). When they pile out of their houses they take the metro or walk and one person meets up with another, and another and next thing you know ... A MARCH! And they march the entire length and width of the street. I've never seen anything like it in the US (it probably wouldn't be allowed - the US only allows that sort of thing when it's Gay Pride Week or St. Pattie's Day or Thanksgiving. Entertainment is allowed. Protesting is not. Whadda country!

Marta, miss your posts. Good zingers here!

Pat C -- WHAT????????????? This proposed water bill seems like a part of the overall plan to nationalize every aspect of this country. So, if you have a stream running through your property, or you can access water via a well (for self sufficiency) on your property, the government will be able to say -- "No, that's not yours, that's ours to distribute as we may. Too bad you bought the property, (you fools) 'cause its ours now!

Also, Miz Morgana, seems I've heard that gold is used for women and silver for men in that part of the world. Soooooo.........

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.1870:
110th CONGRESS
1st Session S. 1870
This Act may be cited as the `Clean Water Restoration Act of 2007'.
To amend the Federal Water Pollution Control Act to clarify the jurisdiction of the United States over waters of the United States.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

July 25, 2007

Mr. FEINGOLD (for himself, Mr. LAUTENBERG, Mr. LEVIN, Mr. KERRY, Mr. LIEBERMAN, Mrs. BOXER, Mr. MENENDEZ, Mr. SANDERS, Mr. CARDIN, Mr. DURBIN, Mr. REED, Mr. DODD, Mr. KOHL, Mr. WHITEHOUSE, Ms. STABENOW, Mr. CARPER, Mr. WYDEN, Mr. LEAHY, Mr. BROWN, and Mr. SCHUMER) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Environment and Public Works
Maybe we SHOULD be supporting Ron Paul?

Hey Shy, exactly...silver is for real men.

Mitten's has dropped out. So they Repugs are left with McInsane and Huckster...eeewww.

It occurred to me this morning that I have been exactly wrong about every political prediction I've made on AW.

If I were a neoCon, based on that record I'd apply for a pundit job with the New York Times. After all, they hired Bill Kristol.

And this:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.2421:

When I bought my house I was warned by the realtor, that I couldn't build out beyond the back of the house as it was less than 100' from wetlands! I could live with that, if any thing I would go up not out, to increase to a full 2 story house.......................Any turps I have goes into a can, for the trash incinerator.....not down the drain.
On the other hand, at this time of year; with the trees leafless, & snow on the ground; I can look down my neighbor's hill and see the rusted car body lying there! I have hauled ,many items up my own hill, and sent them away with the trash truck! rusted paint cans ( lead based I'm sure) car parts, bed springs, buckets crocks.......
Just the other day I asked the Town Manager about the proper dump location to take some old computer stuff. SOme old timer native wag, quiped that I could take them up to Harrington, and throw them into the sink hole off shore!
The recipient of many a refridgerator, car, ect.!
This is the other side of the coin, many of the locals are just plain stubborn, & ignorant on this subject.
We need laws to protect us from them!
Maybe they vote Repug, so that they won't have to support all those pesky single baby with their taxes.factories, and they can throw their trash in the bay with out impediment!
WHere YOUR lobster is dining!

so that they won't have to support all those pesky single baby factories, with their taxes.