Basically this is simply a new thread but I am writing this on the eve of when the US Mars goes retrograde by progression. Beginning tomorrow and playing out for the next 80 years, this country will collectively begin the process of a journey within our collective unconscious. One of the most interesting aspects to this progressed retrograde Mars is it conjuncts GWB's Jupiter. So what will that mean for all of us?
I will first address what it could mean for our President. It could mean that we just give up to the agenda of the government completing their financial fraud on this country. That we lose our will to fight for our money or fight to save our resources from being plundered. We lose the will because our focus is more on an inward journey for our lives than an outward journey of "things." Much confusion will reign for us until we settle in to a pattern of healing ourselves.
In 2030 Mars will conjunct the US Saturn perhaps signaling a return to restrictions of civil rights. Progressed Mars last conjuncted the US Saturn in 1978/1979 with the hostage crisis that cost Jimmy Carter the election. At that time we had an oil crisis (or so they said) and a recession. The 1980 Election saw the US elect a President who wanted to return us to some mythical "good ole days." He was a puppet in the hands of questionable people and inflicted enormous damage on this country and the present administration is attempting to finish what was started at that time.
Retrograde Mars on GWB's Jupiter could also mean a sudden withdrawal of support for outward expressions of imperialism by this country. That support would be withdrawn between now and next spring. Violence could suddenly sicken us and we only wish to withdraw off that stage of super power and sicken us as to the shallow politicians we have elected to lead us.
As a country if we continue along a self-willed path and not re-direct our energies to resolving internal conflicts we will find that our outer affairs are thwarted and hampered. Over time we will wish to become less fast paced in the external world but the inner nature will be accelerated. We may not be so intent upon acting out of blind instinct. We could become a more spiritual country (hope that doesn't mean the "rapture" group gains control) We will begin questioning our rightful place in the world and what is the difference between religion and spirituality. There will be huge changes in this country over the next 80 years.
Another possibility is going back to pick up some of the projects we abandoned, such as the progress we were beginning to make in 78/79 on alternative fuels, cancer, environmental stewardship.
This next year could find us, as a country, waffling back and forth even more in what we want, how we want to be represented in the world, unsure of a direction. One thing for sure, we will see and experience situations we may not like but everything will have the effect over the next 80 years of bringing us as a nation back to our true soul and spirit.
An example of a country with a retrograde Mars is Germany and Mars went retrograde at 8 degrees Libra (Mars is in its fall in Libra) in late 1892, within a few years when the retrograde Mars was square their Saturn they became the focal point for WWI and in 1933 when retro Mars was in a trine to their Sun they felt they had a chance to rule the world, both those opportunities were thwarted and Germany as a power was destroyed, forcing the country to go within and find the strength and discipline and soul to rebuild. In 1959 their retrograde Mars went direct and Germany has been on a successful and realistic trajectory ever since. During the retrograde period Germany made some foolish choices and disasterous consequences, time will tell if the lessons experienced during the retrograde period has changed Germany and their ideals forever. So far they haven't seemed to desire their old mantle of a super-power.
Will the US, like Germany feel that internal loss of power and respect and try in inappropriate ways to gain it back? Or will we have lose our desire to be the super-power of the world and work on our internal dimensions? We don't seem to be headed in that direction now, but there is a sense of being tired out there, weary of the constant lies, death, war, crisis.
One thing for sure the United States stands on the brink of massive internal change.
Mars goes retrograde in aspect to the Sun/Mercury and Moon/Uranus US midpoints. The Sun/Mercury is a will to fight, angry words, to think critically, heated arguments, excitement or upsets. Moon/Uranus is lack of self-control, violence, tendency to act rashly. Progressed retrograde Mars will be aspecting those points for several years. I remind you that going against the impulse of the spirit with progressed retrograde Mars results in frustration and defeat.
On a side note as related to the Sun/Mercury midpoint, indeed the Stem-Cell Veto had transiting retrograde Mercury in an exact conjunction to the US natal retrograde Mercury. Today's Sun was conjunct GWB's Saturn and oppose the US Pluto, inconjunct the US Moon giving him a desire to be the punishing father and he was and to show the people who was in charge. It might be years before that is overturned.
While the country/collective is experiencing a progressed Mars retrograde, individuals are not and we could see a brain drain of scientists, intellectuals, writers, statesmen etc just as Germany witnessed in the 30's, or we could witness an underground of scientific advancement thrive.
My hope is we get sick of past American childishness and grow up, we in fact, become so sick and tired of being the ugly American we will demand our politicians grow up with us.
On a personal basis, you might find things feeling off balance for awhile as the collective try on this new energy, we've been in rapid forward motion, the beautiful and beloved petted child of the earth for over 200 years. We are teenagers now and the world is saying with a sigh, just as our parents did, "it's time for you to grow up." Nothing pointed out our immaturity more, to me, than George Bush at the G8 literally slurping on a roll with his mouth wide open. Only children do that and usually someone is around to say "close your mouth when you chew."
This day was set in motion and has been coming since July 4, 1776, and the cosmic gods are about to show us that it is polite to "shut our mouth when we chew on an international stage." We have to learn how, as a nation, to relate to the grownups.