Kucinich forcing impeachment vote:

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Kucinich_says_he_will_force_House_1102.html

Neptune's gone direct! Let's see what comes out of the fog!

Hah, I got first post ;p

Ok, so looking briefly at synastry between Darth Cheney and Kucinich, the closest aspect in the longitudes is Kucinich' Saturn square Cheney's Jupiter/Saturn conjunction. Kucinich just might be able to pull this off or at least cause more trouble for Cheney's shadow puppetry. In fact there are lots of ugly aspects in between these two, such as Cheney's Saturn oppose Kucinich's Mars, Kucinich's Pluto oppose Cheney's Mars.. Sheesh all I see are squares and oppositions and some of the ugliest ones possible.

How much you want to bet Cheney's crew put out the order to put something as irrelevant as a UFO question in the presidential debates? We can put it on intrade.com! :)

IMPEACH THE TREASONOUS USURPERS OF LIBERTY

Well, it looks like he's going to get his AG after all.

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/

Feinstein, Schumer to vote for Mukasey

Democratic Sens. Chuck Schumer and Dianne Feinstein said this afternoon that they will vote to confirm Michael Mukasey, guaranteeing that the president's nominee to replace Alberto Gonzales will survive a vote before the Senate Judiciary Committee and virtually assuring that he'll be confirmed by the full Senate.

Schumer, who advocated on behalf of Mukasey until the nominee refused to offer his opinion on the legality of waterboarding, said that Mukasey was not his "ideal choice" but might be the best that Democrats could expect to get out of George W. Bush.

In a statement, Feinstein seemed to adopt an argument advanced by White House press secretary Dana Perino yesterday: The Senate should confirm Mukasey and then "ask" him to return to the Senate Judiciary Committee to discuss the issue of waterboarding further.

As we noted yesterday, there's no guarantee that Mukasey will answer questions about waterboarding once he's confirmed -- indeed, there's plenty of reason to believe that he won't. Feinstein's solution: Whatever Mukasey's views may be, Congress should pass legislation "explicitly" banning waterboarding and then trust that the new attorney general will enforce that law.

Michael, this is the only time I am going to respond to your demands but I have a couple of things I would like to say. First of all, this is not a public site in the strict sense of "public" I bought the domain name and pay every month to have this site up. Not all sites have a comment section and I decided I would like to have one because of the intelligence and information and discussions people bring. I certainly have not been disappointed through the years with the quality of the posters. Astrology isn't a black and white science and no one can every know all there is to know. I talked to a man in England who was very well known astrologer several years ago and he was 87, he had been studying astrology since he was 10 and still didn't feel he had come close to mastery after 77 years of study. I was in my 30's then and thought I could unravel the whole cosmos, he was very kind but chuckled at the thought. Over these last several years I have studied every single aspect of astrology there is, I won't bore you with how many disciplines there are, but I still consider myself a novice.

How much bipartisanship do you think a person wades through in their life to form a "partisan" opinion? How much history, how many legal cases, how many government documents, how many astrological classes, how many books, how many dots through the decades do you think a person has to connect in a lifetime to come to a partisan opinion? To see through the lies, the obfuscations, the corruption, the misdeeds, and to see that the preponderance of those lies, corruption come from one side of the aisle or the other and right now in this time in history the worst of it is coming from the GOP. I am happy to change sides when I see the worst coming from the other direction.

On this site Michael, I only have one real focus and that's the United States of America, the
Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Republic and the protection of Democracy. Those things are being shredded by this administration. No one here has to "prove" that to you, read the Constitution and look at what has happened. The "truth" doesn't mean you straddle the fence Michael, on one side or the other; the "truth" for a person means you ultimately have to take a side. At some point in time a thinking person has to say this is what I believe and this is what I want to protect in my own little way.

I don't know why you're angry Michael with me or anyone on this site. I don't know why you attack. Unless you read this blog daily and hourly you have no idea the posts I've had to delete because of length because the "truth" is I don't have the financial means to pay for more bandwidth. Neither I nor anyone on this site owe you a thing, not an explanation of this site, or a platform. We don't owe you a promise that when you attack you won't be attacked, and I don't owe you the right to have your posts remain when they are attacking, vitrolic and lengthy. I don't owe
you proof of my credentials and neither does anyone else.

Billions of people access blogs of all stripes from around the world, they come to learn, share, and experience, if that doesn't happen they move on to something else. If you aren't learning from this little site, this is not the site for you.

Carol, the reason there wasn't an article is because of a little computer glich.

((((Sally))))

Okay, I thought you were a little busy. Mercury stationary, I guess.

When Mercury goes direct, and you may possibly be thinking of donations, I know donating to Astroworld is a wise investment, and along with that, Kiva http://www.kiva.org/ .

I would not have been able to cope with all the strange goings on in the world without astrology, and the brilliance I have had at my fingertips because of political astrology. The generosity Sally has shown on Astroworld is without equal.

The cruelty of corporate hegemony and their efforts to create a flat world has devastated people all over the world. Kiva makes it possible for anyone with a computer, internet connection and $25 to become a micro lender where it counts as if it were thousands.

Gold went over $800 an ounce. Not a good sign for the dollar.

http://www.soothesayer.com/

Carol, coupla things have been rolling around in my head like marbles in a coffee can, random yet connected, other speculations welcome.
~The next 1-20-09 chart is not a strong chart, yet it is inward-turning and emotionally independent. More on that later.
~The next president, god fuhbid (my hometown de-hexer phrase) is Hillary which means she gets two shots at the presidency, again in 2012 without competition from BETTER dems like Gore. So we'd BETTER have a good dem.
~Since we probably can't have Kucinich then BIDEN is a good strong bet for two GOOD terms. I like Biden's good mind and his goosiness and creativity, he could pick a strong guy like Dodd as vice, or perhaps Richardson to a lesser degree.
~Wait until early Feb for Gore. I wouldn't give up on him just yet this time or 'somehow' in 2012.
(we know of course this would mean WE GET a repug next Nov, right?) God fuhbid!

(Wrote this on last page & didn't want it to be lost)

Posted by: patb on November 2, 2007 10:18 PM

Patb I'd call it volatile and fluid, the ole Uranus Flying Monkey Wrench. As Sally often says you have to get there from here. Great aspects but busted your leg a few weeks ago, so much for the race.

I may vote my heart and vote Kucinich, Dodd is a close second, Biden. Not interested in the top three.

Hi Sally
another excellent article! Re the web stats, I hesitated to mention it, but as it does show individual ISP's I had a concern that those could be ill-used. Kind of like snailmail addresses, or unlisted phone #'s, many people prefer to keep these private. I run a message board for my co, we had a very disgruntled ex-employee leave and dump our message bd isp into a never-ending nest of porno website posts. I beleive that these are "robotic crawlers", ie somehow they get your isp and just start posting using a program to automatically leave their crud on our board. I finally had to shut the board down for a few weeks to get rid of them. Anyway, no criticism implied here, I know you work very hard to provide us all with a great forum to exchange info. Thank you for what you do!

http://d21c.com/aquariusmoon/MidisUnzipped/plutodancin.mid

This great woman didn't pass on without leaving something for everyone.

http://www.buzzflash.com/store/reviews/830

Molly Ivins' Last Book (Just Released Posthumously) "Bill of Wrongs: The Executive Branch's Assault on America's Fundamental Rights"

Oh Molly!

http://freepress.org/columns/display/1/2006/1304

Pat C, thanks for the Molly Ivins. I remember that article (lord I miss her) and it made a huge impression on me. Thanks so much.

Sally, so very well said.

Back in the late '80s & the '90s when I was very involved with women's rights, some guy scolded me--"Why aren't you willing to compromise? You can't get anywhere without some accomodation."

I replied, "The first ten amendments of the Constitution are the Bill of Rights. Which ones are you willing to bargain away?"

Just read Pat C's comment re Molly Ivins' last book. Sally, could you sell books with a slight markup to finance your site? (Buzzflash does that but I don't know the logisitics of it.)

Pat C, you post such great informative links!

Good one Barbara, that was a terrific direct hit. I'll remember that one.

Molly Ivins! Now that is (was?) one witty lady and one well-written critique. Is it ok for me to say again that I can't stand Hillary and not be implicitly pilloried as a Fox News shill? :) Anyone have birth data on this upstanding American woman?

Darth Cheney says he is quite sure the GOP will get the White House again in '08:

http://video1.washingtontimes.com/fishwrap/2007/11/vice_president_dick_cheney_thi.html

I imagine no one's done anything about auditing electronic voting machines since the last 2 debacles with mysterious ballot shell games, so maybe he's right.

Check out Debra Bowen in CA, Gilgamesh. She's the new Secretary of State and she is decertifying those machines right and left as testing shows they are you-know-what.

Find some newspaper articles and such for the fireworks. This page is the official one for all she is doing to guarantee the legitimacy and integrity of the voting process.
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_vs.htm

shylurker, thanks again for the uplift! Go Debra!

Morgana, you might be interested in this:

http://www.boingboing.net/2007/11/02/drew-carey-on-medica.html#comments

I had already given up on legalization or at least decriminalization as it was pretty obvious that big pharm, textile industries and other people who stand to benefit from its illegal status (i.e. CIA drug dealers) definitely were not going to acknowledge how backwards and dictatorial the marijuana laws are. Maybe someone like Drew Carey can shed some reason on this issue. Comments are good too. I read that article about the lady in Montana who offed herself after being raided by the feds for medical marijuana; I'm pretty sure it was you or someone here that posted that. That's just evil. End the War on Some Drugs and the War for Your Mind! Like you said, the top 3 Dem candidates aren't even going to address this, and although there are more pressing issues like ending the war, I think it's obvious the laws aren't working when 1 out of 4 people are in prison for drug-related offenses which (in some cases) are a medical, and definitely not a criminal problem. But hey, let's just build more prisons so the prison-police-industrial complex can rake in more tax revenue to beat us into submission while murderers and rapists go free. Boooo

Thanks Gilgamesh, in fact it was John Edwards stance that it shouldn't be legalized made me decide against voting for him, that little bitty piece of the debate made a huge impact on my decision and that of my husband and son.

The lame excuse that its a bad precedent to set of our children doesn't fly.
But booze is ok, even when it rots your organs, and alcoholism is rampant, right that's the message we should send to our kids. I buried my 39 year old sister-in-law, the many years she drank fused her organs together, couldn't tell the pancreas from the liver and she spent the last ten years clean and sober, but hey that's booze for ya. Eight years of hard partying, twenties steep price for a legal elixir.

Molly Ivins Aug. 30, 1944 10:12am Monterey, CA. I think Molly Ivins has been a great loss to this world at this time I knew Molly, not well but well enough to call her a pretty good acquaintance. She was very witty, and very cynnical and hopeful all at the same time. She hated cancer, sympathy for her cancer and GWB, well she didn't actually hate him, he just disgusted her. Every now and then you see articles pop up about her, or quote her, but always with a "we miss her." She was quite a voice for sure.

"Books" good idea Barbara, I'm not sure if I can sell them on this site but I will try. Thanks

Sally, um, why not have those of us who are able pledge to donate on a maintenance level so you don't have to worry. I didn't know this came out of your pocket. In fact have no idea what it costs to maintain a site, or improve one.
Not to contribute even in a small way for your time, wisdom and hospitality is just...well, wrong.

Right now, no cash. But I can explain a little: my static site, not much in traffic, costs me about $108 a year. Bandwidth almost non-existent. But she has no doubt much more in the size of her archives. Many webmasters have a certain amount of traffic they will cover with a site. Sally gets more than the usual traffic, so they will charge accordingly, and the amount of hits she gets will be charged accordingly.

One suggestion about bandwidth: check your old comment threads. At the end of a lot of them there is comment spam that is no doubt draining your coffers. Go into your Comment Manager or whatever and see if you can close off you old threads and clean out the spam.

Morgana, yup and the ultimate thing is, it's a victimless crime. Regardless of what sort of escapism a drug abuser (not responsible user, and this includes alcohol and tobacco) engages in, the crime is the irresponsibility of the person, not whatever it is that got them there. If someone sits around all their waking hours on the internet or playing video games to the detriment of paying their bills and taking care of their family, banning the internet and video games obviously isn't the solution, it's a failure on the part of the person themselves. Really, I don't want my tax money going to imprison people who are being treated as criminals instead of people with medical problems. Also, one extreme creates another - when you overly restrict something, you create an imbalance, which in this case often results in overglamorization of the activity. In one country I've been in, alcohol is treated as a social lubricant that even younger kids can drink. The kids have a social net of supervision in their families and if there's an extreme, it's corrected with reason. No surprise, then, that alcohol abuse that is typical of, say, a high school kegger or frat house party here in the States is basically non-existent there; it's simply frowned upon and rarely becomes a problem. That's not to say that there aren't alcoholics, because there will always be a small percentage of the population that can't handle it, but it's nowhere near as puritanical and extreme as it is here.

Leading to the next concept of "some drugs are ok but these aren't" (nice of them to arrogate themselves that authority, along with what women can do with their own bodies and consenting adults can do in their bedrooms), it's ludicrous that known and proven killers like alcohol and tobacco are legal yet kill hundreds of thousands of people every year directly and indirectly (don't forget DUI) yet something that has never, ever killed anyone is, in some states, grounds for imprisonment and basically ruins careers. Obviously the lesson was learned with Prohibition; we just couldn't afford the problems of organized crime and violence surrounding it as alcohol and tobacco are much more ingrained into our culture than, say, in India where marijuana consumption has a similar status. Boils down to the elite making money off of it without "unacceptable" social repercussions (like crime families having more power than governments) One only has to see that cocaine is worth more in weight than gold to begin understanding just how important it is for those in power to keep such things illegal. I bet Afghanistan's poppy fields are alive and kicking despite the American occupation... by making something benign and arguably beneficial like marijuana legal, it opens up a whole sub-economy where everyday people can profit and enjoy their lives because prices would be much more reasonable, quality, quantity and variety would improve and people just wouldn't need the DEA or police to intervene in the type of violent struggles that take place over the very risky activity involved in trafficking anything illegal yet highly in demand, nor would they need nearly so much of these crazy medications that are just disconnecting people from people and screwing most people up in the long-term. Welll we can't have THAT now, can we? J. Edgar Hoover would spin in his cross-dressing grave! (not that there's anything wrong with cross-dressing)

Those who make the laws, basically, are the ones who stand to gain the most from them. Iran/Contra comes to mind, as well as the drug and nuclear material trafficking that hopefully Sibel Edmonds will expose soon. She more or less comes out and says that it in the film "Kill the Messenger". Jack Abramoff, anyone? There is a LOT of power and money in the illicit drug trade and that's much of why normal folks like us can't sit around every once in a while with a frickin joint. Or worse, cancer patients wasting away from nausea and lack of hunger due to chemotherapy (hellish treatment in and of itself) can't have some natural hunger-inducing weed because.. of what? Corrupt lobbyists and intelligence agents need untraceable influence money? UGH! What a farce! Free country as long as you totally conform!

Oh, great article by Bruce Schneier, "The War on the Unexpected":

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/11/the_war_on_the.html

"We've opened up a new front on the war on terror. It's an attack on the unique, the unorthodox, the unexpected; it's a war on different. If you act different, you might find yourself investigated, questioned, and even arrested -- even if you did nothing wrong, and had no intention of doing anything wrong. The problem is a combination of citizen informants and a CYA attitude among police that results in a knee-jerk escalation of reported threats."

The terrorists have already won. Free country, my arse.

Ok ok I better stop or I'll be ranting all night. Sorry, had to get that out and I bet Morgana feels somewhat similarly. It's sad, though, that with such obvious solutions to many of our problems, the crapfest that is our electoral process is more focused instead on whether or not Kucinich saw a UFO. WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT

BTW Sally thanks for birth info and I will be donating this month.

About voting: I've been reading about mail voting-Oregon has been doing it for years with little problem. Automatic paper trail-votes scanned. No harrassment at the voting booth.

Republicans hate it because they can't use their little tricks. The people at the Elections Board are usually civil servants not partisans working for the day or week. They are working people still young enough to endure a full day of work, not volunteers who are sick and cannot handle the stress.

I was watching C-Span a few weeks back and there was a Congressional hearing on the upcoming crisis in poll workers. Many experienced ones are dying off, with few replacements. So several states are experimenting with allowing high school students to work the polls in exchange for extra credit. Other states are giving incentives for civil service workers to work the polls as well in exchange for some time off.

Of course, the reason for this is that unlike so many other countries who hold their elections on Saturday and Sunday, we hold ours on a day that people must work. We don't even compromise here and have it on Friday when presumably people could take some time off early at the end of the day for voting, and definitely for counting.

Sally, again thank you for creating this meeting place of spirit, mind and heart. It amazes me frankly the quality of discussion. More importantly, the quality of your posts. Used to be a time when i looked forward to a little daily ice cream (I've since given that up). Now, i look forward to coming here, sometimes five or more times a day just to read and feel tne treats that have been offered.

I've often wondered whether or not there WILL BE an election. Other posters have mentioned this as well. I've no data to back up my "feeling" other than the collective behaviors of this administraion and those who support them, this blind adherence to some skewed fixed notion of right and privilege.

The above was what i was thinking when i read All Soul's Day. Then surprise, surprise. . .this --
Something cheery for a Saturday morning (NOT)--

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18654.htm

I wanted to share another thought this morning, a dream sequence actually. I woke thinking about personal responsibility.

It has always been up to each of us to leave a small footprint while attending the universe-ity on earth. Yet, there are far too many who do not understand the reason for doing this.

Those who believe they're privileged, who believe it is their "right" to take what is not theirs, to disconnect their acts -- their cause and effect, are often giddily led down this rose-strewn path (something the Bush cabal has been very good at promoting). There is no personal responsibility in believing that somehow you are above reproach, that your acts are given meaning by a vengeful diety. (The Mother Jones article on Hilary Clinton's membership in the god-chose-me-to-be-a-leader club is one example of how this thinking permeates through Washington add the country).

I'm not pollyannish enough to believe that this is going to change except by dismantling all that has fed this orgy of self interest. And, that's a good thing. Maybe the meek do inherit the earth along with the worms, beetles and waste eating organisms.

I've wondered about that too, Karen. Maybe it's the Scorpio "keep your enemies close" thing, but I couldn't imagine sharing my most personal life (especially the spiritual part of it) with people who basically despise my being there at all. The whole dominionist thing wants women out of the public life altogether except for church and family stuff. She must know this if anything. How many other women pray with her there? One? Two?

How can she pray with people who think basically that her wanting to be President is somehow demonic?

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/DOJ/story?id=3814076&page=1

Bush Administration Blocked Waterboarding Critic
Former DOJ Official Tested the Method Himself, in Effort to Form Torture Policy

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/057806.php

A Last Thought Before the Senate Judiciary Committee Confirms Judge Mukasey By John W. Dean

snip

Today, Bush is under even deeper suspicion for activities far more serious than anything Nixon engaged in for there is evidence Bush has abused the laws of war, violated treaties, and ordered (or approved) the use of torture and political renditions, which are war crimes.

Since Judge Mukasey’s situation is not unlike that facing Elliot Richardson when he was appointed Attorney General during Watergate, why should not the Senate Judiciary Committee similarly make it a quid pro quo for his confirmation that he appoint a special prosecutor to investigate war crimes? Richardson was only confirmed when he agreed to appoint a special prosecutor, which, of course, he did. And when Nixon fired that prosecutor, Archibald Cox, it lead to his impeachment.

Before the Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee completely cave-in to Bush, at minimum they should demand that Judge Mukasey appoint a special prosecutor to investigate if war crimes have been committed. If Mukasey refuses he should be rejected. This, indeed, should be a pre-condition to anyone filling the post of Attorney General under Bush.

If the Democrats in the Senate refuse to demand any such requirement, it will be act that should send chills down the spine of every thinking American.

Good morning AW!

Thank you Barbara! And Sally, Molly is for me like the Buddhist man who came to reline my chimney, unexpected and a gift to my heart, because their hearts are unmistakably good and giving.

I guess it's a Neptunian thang. Smirky is now giving interviews to reporters, the substance of which they cannot report:
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Bush_meeting_with_reporters_strictly_offtherecord_1102.html

This absurd ploy supposedly will counteract his lame duck status, abysmal poll ratings, etc. I'm sure no one on this "Comments" section will be placing any bets that it'll actually, you know, work.

Thanks for your help guys, I have increased my bandwidth capabilities a couple of times and the unwanted posts you found Carol are erased from time to time when I can get a chance to go in and get them off. It's just been really busy this last year. I have three jobs and with that and my family sometimes my time gets pretty scrunched. It will be ok.

This is a poem written by a man in 1929, the mess we have has been going on for a long time. We wonder what's wrong with the Dems. it's because they have all been doing this forever, Democrats and Republicans

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2197242

And Martial Law has been declared in Pakistan

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/11/03/pakistan.emergency/index.html

Pakistan: 03.23.1956, 7:05am Karachi, Pakistan

Don't have time right now to delinate their charts, but I will be back. Let the conversation begin. Do progressions and solar returns. Pakistan HAS nuclear weapons ready to fire, way ahead of Iran.

Mushaaraf (8-11-1943) in Nahr, British East India

Sally, bravisima! It's always great to see somebody stand up to a bully! Made my day!!!!!

Sally- why not have an organized drive for support. Where I live KPFA the mother Pacifica station has funding drives every quarter. If you are working three jobs to in part finance this wonderful site then why not let us help?
Morgana, just this morning I was so uplifted by your thinking about John Edwards. I just feel that if he is willing to sell out such a large segment of potential voters he will compromise more.

Three jobs? You need a fundraiser. No money on my end, but if there is some way I could otherwise help, let me know...

Shylurker-I read that info about getting together with select members of the press for talks. What the hell is that??
Isn't Pakistan getting ready to explode because "the West" is trying to restore the previous PM (senior moment here Bhutto? is that the name?) who was the daughter of a very influential Pakistani family? We astrologers can tell what is happening the news tells us the actors.

Possible cyber Jihad? Just for your information.

Go here for the story:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/yw79l3

Data for:

Internet, Sep 10, 1969, 10:00 AM, PDT, Los Angeles, CA

E-Mail, Oct 29, 1969, 10:20 PM, PST, Los Angeles, CA

WWW, Aug 6, 1991, 6:00:12, PM, Geneva, Switzerland

For possible effect on the United States also look at these charts relocated to Washington, D.C. and Lebanon, KS.

Even if the Internet were only affected in sporadic locations for a short time it would be prudent to have groceries, medicines, gasoline, other necessities purchased before then and perhaps keep a little extra cash on hand. The date is only next weekend.

Bob

Just so you don't get too comfortable today:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/11/3/9641/17398

Remember TIA and Poindexter and all of that? Well, now Blackwater is doing it. And you know to whom it is being done.

Bob, Shy, PatC, Sally, Gilgamesh, everybody:

It would be better to have the entire demon operating here and abroad to unmask, attack, blow sky high, crash the system, demolish, level, crack open, explode to smoking rubble so we can get on relieved by the threat actualized and done.

Bob, I hope they do it. Doubt (with a sense of disappointment) such an attack can or will be pulled off. I almost want Blackwater out in the open since the congress and senate are doing nothing to stop them anyway, have let them flourish and spawn since Katrina so who's kidding who? It's a confrontation waiting to occur so let's go ahead and be provoked into the most alive resourcefullness we've ever known. The suspense is killing us.

Sally, from Wikipedia on Benazir Bhutto born June 23 Karachi, Pakistan. Her arrival on scene is pretty interesting I'd add her to our Pakistan mix.

Bob, thanks for the Internet, Email, and WWW dates!

This is so funny, two of the jobs I have (the third is my astrology practice, I have clients all over the world from all walks of life) I not only raise massive funds for non-profits, I consult with other non-profits on how they can raise their own funds. I've not done a great deal, if at all, on how to find money for individuals. I do large things with lots of money, and I have always worked for large organizations and corporations, but finding funds and marketing for "me" has always been difficult, but I am working on something different for this next year.

From Wikipedia: The first message ever to be sent over the internet occurred at 10:30 PM on October 29, 1969. It was sent by UCLA student programmer Charley Kline and supervised by UCLA Professor Leonard Kleinrock. The message was sent from the UCLA SDS Sigma 7 Host computer to the SRI SDS 940 Host computer. The message itself was simply the word "login". The "l" and the "o" transmitted without problem but then the system crashed. Hence, the first message on the Internet was "Lo". They were able to do the full login about an hour later.

History">http://www.dei.isep.ipp.pt/~acc/docs/arpa.html">History of ARPANET

More on Benazir Bhutto's chart and background from www.stariq. (archives):

"Benazir Bhutto was born with her Saturn—the ruler of her Capricorn Ascendant—placed in the Tenth House of earthly power (June 21, 1953; 7:59 pm; Karachi, Pakistan). Saturn here is the centerpiece of a stressful T-square involving Uranus, Neptune, and Chiron, ensuring that her hold on power will be continuously threatened by political rivals. Bhutto was first sworn in as Prime Minister on December 2, 1988 when transiting Saturn was exactly conjunct her Ascendant.

Pakistan's President at the time deposed Bhutto on August 6, 1990, as transiting Uranus was near her Ascendant and closely opposing her Seventh House Mars. Mars here symbolizes the male opposition she faces during every election, as well as in daily life. After Bhutto returned to power in 1993, she was once again deposed on August 6, 1996 as transiting Saturn was squaring her Mars.

Bhutto went into self-imposed exile as transiting Pluto entered her Twelfth House in May 1999. Now that transiting Pluto is about to emerge from her Twelfth House, so too is Bhutto emerging from exile. She faces enormous, powerful enemies, as transiting Pluto heads into its first opposition with her Sun, exact in mid-January 2008 when general elections for the next Prime Minister are expected". by Michael Wolfstar-www.stariq.com

Kat thanks for the time on Bhutto. Caught an article today that she had returned to Pakistan because of the emergency.

Biden sure nailed Pakistan as the bigger worry then Iran during the debates.

Biden sure did nail Pakistan Morgana and Bob thanks for all the internet dates, I only had the Geneva date for the www. The fixed planets in the email and www dates are interesting particularly since Saturn just went over those points and in 1991 Pluto was in Scorpio squaring the www and now Neptune has set up a square and opposition to it all. I'll have to do some studying of this and I hope you give us some expert input, I would say we are certainly on the verge of some kind of shift or change to the web.

Attackers aim at Apple with first Mac Trojan horse
Trojan Horse at Troy
If you're running a Mac and are in the mood for some free porn today, do not, while visiting a site purporting to offer such goodies, linger upon a Web page that advises the following:
Quicktime Player is unable to play movie file.
Please click here to download new version of codec.
http://machinist.salon.com/blog/2007/11/02/mac_trojan/index.html
Ever since hotmail.com foisted their "new windows" ( Microsoft version) on me, the program has been shape shifting. It's never the same from day to day! Then Firefox intruded on my brochure making deadline with the DEMAND that I download the update! Those Microsoft people are sure "high maintainance"!
In that same vein, I diverted off 95 in Augusta to pick up some needed items from Staples. I used to go there all the time as a VISTA when we had our trainings at the Holiday Inn right down the road.
There are 3/4 more box stores there, than 5 yars ago, all with those anal retentive concrete traffic herders, forcing an illogical traffic pattern. The "folks" were madly "shopping, sleep driving, clogging, and I formed the cynical premise, that maybe they are so prone to be fearful, because they know that they are not worth the air they breath.
Sorry to be so cynical but I met an Illustrator who used to work at Hallmark cards who is having trouble getting work because people shy away from her as she is deaf! SHe has that thick speech, but I carried on a conversation with her easily, obviously she can lip read! Her work is VERY GOOD!
I thought of all those tunnel vision full steam ahead non profits who latch onto one tiny problem to fix who would probably shy away from talking to this woman. NCLB has really created a problem!
Also the little chic upsacle,independant shops in downtown Portland seem to be closed in the 5 years since I've been there. But Augusta is getting a 2nd Home Depot Walmart, Staples............
QOP

That should be chic UPSCALE.
QOP almost QOW! ( wands)

November 4, 2007

Op-Ed Columnist

Noun + Verb + 9/11 + Iran = Democrats’ Defeat?

By FRANK RICH
WHEN President Bush started making noises about World War III, he only confirmed what has been a Democratic article of faith all year: Between now and Election Day he and Dick Cheney, cheered on by the mob of neocon dead-enders, are going to bomb Iran.

But what happens if President Bush does not bomb Iran? That is good news for the world, but potentially terrible news for the Democrats. If we do go to war in Iran, the election will indeed be a referendum on the results, which the Republican Party will own no matter whom it nominates for president. But if we don’t, the Democratic standard-bearer will have to take a clear stand on the defining issue of the race. As we saw once again at Tuesday night’s debate, the front-runner, Hillary Clinton, does not have one.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/opinion/04rich.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&ref=opinion&pagewanted=print

November 4, 2007Op-Ed Columnist\

Gift of Gall

By MAUREEN DOWD
WASHINGTON

Girlfriend had a rough week.

First Hillary got brushed back by the boys in the debate. Then some women bemoaned Hillaryland’s “Don’t hit me, I’m a girl” strategy.

The Washington Post’s Ruth Marcus deplored the “antifeminist subtext” of Hillary’s campaign playing the woman-as-victim card. “Using gender this way,” she said, “is a setback.”

I must rush to a sister’s defense.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/opinion/04dowd.html?ref=opinion&pagewanted=print

Oh this is a lovely set up in Pakistan. Musharraf has Uranus at 8 degrees Gemini and his Mercury at 9 degrees Virgo. GWB Mars 9 degrees Virgo, Bhutto Jupiter 9 degrees Gemini, the US Uranus 8 degrees Gemini. Pakistan's NN 10 degrees Sagittarius, SN 10 Gemini and it has progressed to 8 Gemini. 8/9 Degrees Gemini is known as the Nuclear degree, Pakistan has well developed Nuclear weapons, and transiting Saturn at nearly 7 degrees Virgo is setting this entire mess off. There is something not quite right about this whole thing and Musharraf is in grave danger for the next several months

OMG!!! Now I do wonder why someone of such golden gifts and talents would have to spend his precious life dissing Claudia. HMMMM!!!???? And putting down the crones. Imagine that life continues after 30!!! Imagine that life continues after 60!!!
Here is a crone standing up for all the crones who keep life and tradition alive through these dark nights.

Sally, wow have you got that right! Biden too.
Did you notice Pakistan's mercury on that south node also is about to turn retrograde as well?
Last night I was looking for nuclear and plumb forgot about those gm/sag degrees until you brought it up. Musharraf, despite his power certainly deep down feels emotionally isolated and is sensitive to losing his 'lovey'. He must have felt the seething resentment remaining since the coup and wonder if that's where the danger is coming from. Suspending the constitution to keep his lovey ain't gonna work.
In addition, Bhutto's many cancer planets are reintroducing into Pakistan's progressed chart in the form of venus at 3cn.
No, not saying she can go all the way back to power, but certainly she is missed and the catalyst for fresh uprising. Especially if he attempts to arrest her. Anyone know the overall sentiment for Musharraf or India's receptivity to Bhutto?
My first thought was rather routine expectation the u.s./bush attempt to eliminate him under another guise, you know, the old pin it on someone else routine making things far worse and lighting the nuclear fuse (since everything the u.s. touches turns to uknow whut).

Sally, sorry about the large red and purple baboon's rear end taking up the bandwidth. Where's the eraser?

Is it possible to Bill for posts past a particular length?

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_2598.shtml

Unmasking the wannabe masters of the universe

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21617003/

Ranchers angry over army site expansion
Plan to take land spurs debate on patriotism and property rights

PatC, Colorado's Bluedog, Ken Salazar has been playing in the same sandbox with repugs and their interests and ruining vital votes in the senate the second he was voted into office (I was fool enough to believe him and vote for him).
I had a dream 28 years ago of a black and white nuclear cloud coming from the south (I live in Boulder Co). Prophetic or even connected, who knows (probably not), just the same the dream was frightening and viscerally intense enough to vividly recall when it was.
Seriously, this is a big governmental steamroller our electeds are doing nothing to stop. So it will proceed no matter how upsetting it is. Like Connecticut's munitions economy, Lieberman is their darling. Salazar apparently doesn't have a problem with the "death" industry, nor does Allard.

As I said above, I don't know why this young man is angry but I will be deleting the posts. I don't see the necessity of posting the exchange between he and Claudia and I am sure he is equally angry with me. Thanks to whoever posted The Soothsayer. I think Linda Schurman is very good and she has a new book coming out. I have posted her articles a couple of times (with her permission) but haven't gotten back to her to do so again and I intend to do that after the first of the year. She has a comment on her latest article regarding the crossroads upon which we stand right now and will we choose "extinction or illumination?" I continue to count on the latter.

Thanks PatC for the article above about the ranchers in Walsenburg, CO. Everyone can see the military taking over more and more of the west (oh, not Wyoming of course, Dick lives there) there is almost a resignation of the land grab. Funny Rumsfeld closed a couple of large army bases here and now they are taking other's land. Everything in this country will get worse before it gets better, but I believe it will get better. We are fighting a losing battle, but in this case the ranchers are still fighting. It's been a real shock to them because Walsenburg is GOP country and now they are finding out they have no rights in this country any more. The most important thing however not to look at the "trees" look at the forest and beyond

The history of the earth in a few, dazzling paragraphs.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/11/4/6342/88779

Keep your eyes on the forest instead of just the trees. Hmmmmm. Capn Sally, I am reminded of my great frustration when precious debate time was wasted during the Kennedy-Nixon campaigns on the Terribly Serious Issue of Quemoy-Matsu. Yep. Here the world as we know it seems to be poised to come to an end and precious time is being wasted arguing over . . . [insert trivial or who cares? or get a life type issue here] . . . .

Hello all!
I for one won't be missing the snotty little posts from Michael. Good for you Sally. While I lurk more than post, I don't appreciate having to even see posts that are "posion pills" like his. Disguisd as dialogue, they are aimed at acrimony and disruption. This is a site you pay for out of your own pocket, capitalism at its best for those rethug types, so they ought to be able to respect your use of your own "property"

Have you thought about accepting PayPal? When people access your site, they could voluntarily send a small PayPal sum, even 50 cents X a lot of people would be a decent sum. alterantely perhaps people could let their conscience be their guide and add a little something when they post. I trust the good people of this board, and I think they would be happy to support your efforts which benefit us all.
Go to Paypal.com, I think that would give you all of th einfo you need
you da best! Cap'n Sally

Hello Swamp, I've missed your posts and glad to see you are around. Thanks for the suggestion and I do accept paypal, it icon is on the front page on the left. I am holding my breath that these folks don't start coming out in droves as the election nears. I have an uncomfortable feeling that this election is going to be nasty. It is truely a pathetic group of candidates, but I do love to hear Ron Paul and Kucinich talk.

I laughed so hard when I saw a speech and questions of Ron Paul and it was a pretty GOP/Libertarian QandA. Well they asked Rep. Paul who he was for on either side, and he said "well for the GOP I would have really liked to see Senator Hagel run, I liked him. He proceeded to say that he and Kucinich were good friends and that Dennis was real honest and a smart and good guy." They panned the camera around the room and I think everyone in the room had stopped breathing and the looks on their faces was priceless.

Shy, the Kos article about earth was stunning and well worth the read. Funny how we can read about "other" beginnings and endings and think it won't happen here; when civilizations rise and fall we don't think it will be ours, but we will. I'm not sure earth will be destroyed but I am sure the people of the earth will be gone with maybe just a few to re-populate. I wonder if the "history" of our demise will with stand, if it does, it will be only in story form unless someone can figure out how to rig the "machines" (computers) they dig up and read what happened.

I read someplace "in order to have it all, you have to accept the loss of it all." We are trying to hang onto our lives as we know it just as those in power are trying to hang onto what they know, just as there is a mindset of comfortableness in killing, stealing, torturing, blood lust to keep all and get more, there is also the mindset of love, generosity and peace and it seems impossible to meet in the middle. So much fear at the bottom of it all.

The earth is a hard school for everyone it seems.

Sally

Well I’m blind as a bat! I never noticed the donation icon before:) OK folks, I have kicked off the ball with a modest donation. If we all add a little something from time to time, no matter how small, it will make a difference. Just think, look at the number of posts, and if even half of them kicked in 50 cents, it would make a big difference.
Sally-for others like me who can’t see what is right in front of them :), you could also add a donation icon right in the area for posting as a gentle reminder. It is after all a voluntary donation so people could ignore it or not as they see fit. I’m sure others have been doing this all along, so folks please excuse my enthusiasm if you are already doing this, because I really didn’t know we could donate.
:)

Small addendum to Swamp's message. If you've had a rough time with paypal (as I have) you might want to email Cap'n Sally at the address in the left-hand side bar about an alternative way to get a contribution to her.

Swamp, what I really like about Sally is her dignity and holding her seat and letting us work things out commonsensically both with the donation thing and relieving the site of a particular slow-crawling spider. (I would have gone for the swatter straightaway). That's class.

The other thing is that I came here from a particularly depressing blog simply because it got me down, and the owner a glutton for self-congratulation and strokes, ugh, while others politely don't mention myriad inaccuracies.
Here is a site where there's room for humor and hope and some damn good astrology in the spirit of sharing it, recognising we ought to do that since we're in this together.
I like the flow less ego and non-competing creates when it becomes sharing what we understand which makes it a collective that gathers knowledge and is cumulative.
Information is something nobody's ego should try to own (can't do it anyway without making a strange politic).
Thanks to Sally that's the bottomline here.

And now for an astrology question. For those of you that have been following the Valerie Plame affair, her book is finally out. (She was the covert CIA officer whose husband ambassador Joe Wilson exposed the Bush lie about Iraq buying uranium from Niger. As a reward Cheney/Libby/Rove outed her to columnist Robert Novak, destroying her career and almost her family into the bargain). Whole pages are blacked out thanks to the CIA.
Anyway, on Wikepedia and other Internet sources her birthday is reported as 4/19/63. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Plame. In the Appendix of the book, (not written by her but journalist Linda Rosen), her bday is listed as 8/13/63. As part of the lunacy the CIA subjected her to, they wiped out many innocent sentences in her book under the guise of “National Security”. As a response, the publisher had an independent journalist, Rosen, using only publicly available information, fill in most of the blacked-out stuff. It is this area where Plame’s bday is listed as August. Plame reportedly did not even read the Appendix to keep things ”arms length”. Therefore it is not out of the question that the wrong bday is listed in this appendix. Looking at a sunrise chart, the Aries date certainly seems to fit. I got to meet he recently at a book signing and luncheon, she is a lovely person with very kind and honest vibes. What has been done to her and her family by Bushco is unpardonable. Even though the Libby trial is over,(and the Plame civil suit is on appeal) I don’t think we’ve heard the last of this. I am a little curious to see if it will rear its head again during the election, particularly if Plame and her husband speak at the Dem National convention for example. Does anyone else have any thoughts or info on her bday? Any interpretations?
Thanks
Swamp

patb
right you are! I just wished I had noticed the donation icon a long time ago:) So much for my reading glasses, getting old is a bit**!

p.s. I know 'jack'(nothing) about Bhutto.

Sally, I was thinking along the same lines as you, about Pakistan now being a bigger threat than Iran, because they already have nuclear weapons.

A while back on this thread, I posted a message to pay attention to what was going on in Pakistan. This was before Bhutto arrived back there, but I could see what was coming. First of all, I noticed that Bhutto was getting a lot of air time on talk TV, and was voicing strong pro American, pro West opinions. I think she was exiled in Britain, and she also seemed to have British support. Then it was announced that she would return to Pakistan on a certain date, to power-share with Musharraf, and that previous corruption charges for which she was ousted from power, would be dropped. Right away, I knew that Musharraf had fallen out of favor with the Bush administration, and that they were going to use Bhutto to gradually ease him out of office. I'm sure Musharraf knew this too, and I knew that he wouldn't want to share power with Bhutto. I can't say who launched that devastating attack on her, but my suspicions are that it was Musharraf, in concert with the Taliban. From the beginning, I saw Musharraf as an unwilling ally of America, and he only took real action against the Taliban, when he was forced to do so by Bush,(who in turn was pushed by Congress to do so). Lately you could see that Bush was putting pressure on him to take a harder stance against the extremists in his country. Musharraf has always had to walk a fine line between loyalty to the Bush administration, and loyalty to the Taliban whom many Pakistanis support. And by the way, there was nothing Democratic about the way Musharraf took power, or ruled, yet Bush kept referring to Pakistan as a Democracy, and continued to say so, even after Musharraf declared what amounts to Marshal Law. Just goes to show how this administration conveniently turns a blind eye to the truth, when it involves one of their allies.

I don't think it will be easy for Bhutto to wrest power from Musharraf, and I forsee chaos and confusion in Pakistan's near future. I remember reading an article on Marjorie Orr's website concerning some fateful line running through Pakistan, and Afghanistan, and possibly Russia that connected with Bush. I will see if I can find the article. Meanwhile, thanks for posting all the Pakistan charts. I would like to look at them if I get a chance.

Why PatB you all fairly make me blush (that's my written impression of Butterfly McQueen to 'Miss Scarlett') Swamp all I have of Valerie Plame is the April 19th chart. At the time this happened Saturn was in Cancer and would be squaring her Aries, I honestly think it's the April date, the thing about that date making it more confusing is a person can understand if you get the month wrong or day wrong, those can be typo's but to get both month and day is a bit of a stretch for me. Still I take the April date. Saturn in that chart squares her Mercury giving her the ability to maintain her silence, but in the Aug. chart Saturn would be opposite her Sun, another restrictive aspect; plus on July 14, 2003 the day Joe Wilson published his op ed piece that Niger did not sell yellow cake to Iraq, Jupiter was at 20 Leo, the degree of her Sun (if she was born in August) I think we should just keep our eyes out for something that we can be sure is an accurate date. I believe it will be awhile, but I don't think the Wilson/Plame thing is over for this administration. The Civil suit is still pending and that might reveil some additional information.

Sally

thanks. I think it is the April date also. Being an Aries myself, that is how she feels to me energetically. The civil suit was dismiised, but the Wilson's filed an appeal. They had to file the original when they did because of the statutes of limitations. I don't beleive the suit can get a fair hearing while the Bushies are in office, but the appeal will hopefully be heard either during a new Dem admin, or now with a Dem majority in Congress and scrutiny to bear on the justice dept. there might finally be some turth getting out. It is apparent to everyone that this order to smear her and her husband came from the very top. I love the fact that this gutsy lady had the courage to say on Laryy King, (or was it 60 Min) that the president "wasn't a man of his word" since he didn't fire any of the people who were involved after he intially said he would on national TV. If anyone would like to see a replay of her or her husband's interviews, just go to You Tube and put their names in.
Sally can you refer me to a site wiht her chart that is a good one?
thanks
Swamp

Gosh , Sally, I've thought you were the best thing since sliced bread for awhile now, but I just LOVE what you've done to the place lately--would it be too early and/or the epitome of bad taste to sing a few bars of "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead"?

Oh, and PS, did anybody see Joe Biden on the talkies this morning? God he sounded like a knowledgeable and commonsensical ADULT compared to the oil-soaked piglets "in charge" in DC. And it made me LOL to hear of Smirky the would-be chimperor's "concern" for Pakistan's leader suspending their constitution, esp. since as I've read elsewhere, GHWB was the one behind suspending OUR Constitution--not sure how long, but I think it happened when Ronnie Raygun got shot. Think about it--it would explain alot if that were true, wouldn't it?(As usual, research that tidbit for yourself, and take my ravings with a grain of salt and a rather large shot of tequila...)

Namaste and love y'all--Shylurker, what's happening with you?

Just happy to see your posts, Garry. If you have the time, do go to the kos link I posted just a tad upstream here. It's excellent.

That would be a Uranus and Mars line that connects all of them Crystal and 8/9 degrees of any sign is particularly sensitive as it 18 degrees of the Cardinal signs. I feel as if I am watching a slow motion movie and a deliberate push toward WWIII. I one of those who say "it just cannot happen again, it won't happen" but it's happening. We are being de-sensitized to death, beheadings, torture, slavery, sweat-shops, child abuse, and the list goes on, including lies, corruption, theft, murder of the human populace, oh well, everyone does it right? There has been the game of introducing complete hopelessness in the population with the good cop/bad cop Democrats and GOP. Bush poll number are now below 25 percent with 75 percent sick and tired of the GOP and still they tell us it will be an incredibly tight race.

Because of my "day job" I know Bhutto, not well but spent several hours alone with her about 4 years ago. She was very interesting, soft spoken woman, easy to approach, polite, highly critical of Musharraf and defensive about her corruption charges and her critics. She was also quite sure she would be back in Pakistan and back in power, very strong lady.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/03/AR2007110301306_pf.html

This is insane. Garry, not that it's going to matter but I like Joe Biden too (11/20/1942 Scranton, PA 8:30am) from (data from Mark Lerner’s magazine and reposted by Zipporah Dobbins in the 1987 Issue "The Mutable Dilemma in Gemini. Just take a look at all those 12th house planets, talk about hiding. Still Jupiter does trine that Scorpio.

Zip Dobbins is a great astrologer, I am posting the complete link because of all the good articles, go to the 1987 issue and the menu on the left has an article titled "the Contenders" you will find Biden's birthtime. There are some terrific astrological articles in there for those who are interested in learning more.

http://www.ccrsdodona.org/m_dilemma/index.html

Too late and too tired to write it all out, but I've been doing some work on Biden's progressed, returns, pre-natal and draconic charts. He could actually end up giving Hillary a run for her money and wow, two Scorpio's going after each other should be interesting. I wonder if Biden will be going for broke on this one, he may not be President (but he could be) you can look for a major post, amazing aspects for him as the election cycle moves forward.

Sally, like I said in an earlier post on this thread, Biden & Dodd would make a tough Adult team to beat. We're looking at someone who can make it 8 years. Biden's a MAN!
Isn't it the most incongruous, cartoonish thing to imagine BillH in the WH? The things the MSM wants us to swallow, including Hillary as Murdoch's bought & paid for "Phenomenon" on the cover of Newsweek about 20 months ago. I don't believe Bill wants to revisit the 'ol museum anyway, just look at his aspects!

Besides, when I hear Biden speak I want to purr like a kitten.

New blog post from Naomi Wolf:

"I have argued that in the closing stages of a `fascist shift', events cascade. I am hearing about them, even across the globe. Here in Australia I hear from the nation's best-know feminist activist, and former adviser to Paul Keating, Anne Summers, who was also at the time this took place Chair of the Board of Greenpeace International. Summers was detained by armed agents for FIVE HOURS each way in LAX on her way to and from the annual meeting of the board of Greenpeace International in Mexico, and her green card was taken away from her. `I want to call a lawyer', she told TSA agents. `Ma'am, you do not have a right to call an attorney,' they replied. `You have not entered the United States.'"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/a-paper-coup-and-black_b_71067.html

I'm hoping the best for Kucinich's impeachment move tomorrow.

Impeachment of Dick Cheney to go to Vote on House Floor 11/06/2007

(PRWEB) November 5, 2007 -- On Tuesday, Nov. 6th 2007, Congressman Dennis Kucinich will bring a privilege vote to the floor of the House of Representatives on HRES 333, the Impeachment of Dick Cheney. According to the American Research Group, 54% of Americans favor the impeachment of Dick Cheney

http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/impeach/

Vice President Cheney is being charged with defying his oath to the United States Constitution by conducting the following activities (from House Resolution 333): MORE...

http://tinyurl.com/2zz9bf -Yahoo News

I too feel tired and frightened that we are turning for WWIII. I can't believe anyone would force the world this way but this weekend I read about the Bilderburg group, the assassination of the Kennedys,the destruction of the middle-class starting with Reagan and now the above regarding Anne Summers who lost her green card and was denied a lawyer.
I couldn't get to Biden's birth data yet- I thought that he is a Gemini. Anyway I have always loved Biden because of his willingness to discuss things I care about in a "yeah thats what im saying" spirit. I thought that he was impossible because of a couple of slipups, accused of plagerism.

Here is a link from Starcats with birth data for the candidates.

http://www.astrologysoftware.com/community/stars/thrdhse_elections.asp?orig=

By the way, I would vote for Biden and or Dodd in a NY minute. It would be like voting for grown-ups with real knowledge of the Constitution.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/04/state-dept-happy-that-pakistan-is-distracting-the-public/

State Dept. happy that Pakistan is distracting the public.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article2809246.ece

Musharraf denies rumours he is under arrest, as protesters take to the streets

Live blogging from Islamabad.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/057838.php

If all this depresses you tune in Cspan 2.
Uplifting to see Youth Leaders for Environmental Action.
However a teen from Alaska has just broken down in tears telling how her community's sufficiency food sources are going going gone, and their houses are falling into the bay!! SHe is bringing the face of tragedy to DC!
It was very upbeat and still is because the group started cheering to lift her through that moment! Ed Markey moderating was also sweet.!
QOPW

Citigroup CEO Resigns To Be Replaced By Robert Rubin

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20071104/citigroup-ceo/

Robert Rubin is the personification of Tapeworm Economics. He is the former Secretary of Treasury under Clinton then moved to Goldman Sachs to become their golden boy. As I commented yesterday Citigroup is making a big deal about losing money from the mortgage meltdown, but saying nothing about the gargantuan profits they've already made from it.

What Bubin's Move Into Citigroup Means For You the Taxpayer

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/11/4/91929/3698

Thank you Pat. I tuned it in and saw the last part of it. Awesome, and really hopeful...

............

This was posted on Salon by Nina Katarina, who asks, How come I have to go to a UK paper to read an article about this?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/04/4th-amendment_email_privacy/

On October 8, 2007, the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit in Cincinnati granted the government's request for a full-panel hearing in United States v. Warshak case centering on the right of privacy for stored electronic communications. At issue is whether the procedure whereby the government can subpoena stored copies of your email - similar to the way they could simply subpoena any physical mail sitting on your desk - is unconstitutionally broad.

This appears to be more than a mere argument in support of the constitutionality of a Congressional email privacy and access scheme. It represents what may be the fundamental governmental position on Constitutional email and electronic privacy - that there isn't any. What is important in this case is not the ultimate resolution of that narrow issue, but the position that the United States government is taking on the entire issue of electronic privacy. That position, if accepted, may mean that the government can read anybody's email at any time without a warrant.

As to the voting issue, we must not be taken in by any new legislation that demands a "paper trail" from a privatized electronic voting machine because it has been proven the machines can still be hacked.

There are several videos you should watch. Go to YouTube and search for "Hacking Democracy". Then watch this special with Dan Rather on touch screen voting:

http://www.hd.net/drr227.html

They have made laws that keep the public out of the precincts where the votes are counted on election night. Exit Polling is being thrown out (in some countries they count on the exit poll as the reliable result...not the actual vote!).

We need a strong, organized Exit Polling organization run by the public in each precinct. We need to vote with paper and ink and the public needs to count the votes. All electronic voting machines which are now privately owned by corporations (who also control the secret proprietary software), should be deep-sixed immediately.

We must remember that Stalin said, "It's not who votes that matters, it's who COUNTS the votes that really matters."

Also, go to KPFA in Berkeley and go to the archives of "Guns and Butter". Seek out the shows about electoral politics with writers like Mark Crispin Miller etc. You can stream the shows online. There are many worth listening to.

We need a national campaign to take our elections away from private corporations like Diebold etc. And we need a discussion about this among ourselves.

This is a vivid description of a tiny town that's run out of water. Reading it made me think that this town has been a barometer showing massive societal change since the beginning. A karmic indicator maybe?

http://iht.com/articles/ap/2007/11/04/america/NA-FEA-GEN-US-Town-Without-Water.php

Worst-case scenario in the US South: Tennessee town has run out of water, must truck it in

ORME, Tennessee: As twilight falls over this Tennessee town, Mayor Tony Reames drives up a dusty dirt road to the community's towering water tank and begins his nightly ritual in front of a rusty metal valve.

With a twist of the wrist, he releases the tank's meager water supply, and suddenly this sleepy town is alive with activity. Washing machines whir, kitchen sinks fill and showers run.

About three hours later, Reames will return and reverse the process, cutting off water to the town's 145 residents.

The severe drought tightening like a vise across the Southeast has threatened the water supply of cities large and small, sending politicians scrambling for solutions. But Orme, which sits near the border with Alabama about 40 miles (65 kilometers) west of Chattanooga, is a town where the worst-case scenario has already come to pass: The water has run out.

The mighty waterfall that fed the mountain hamlet has been reduced to a trickle, and now the creek running through the center of town is dry.

more...

Crystal, that's a good, clear mental stream you present about Bhutto and I greatly appreciate that. Boy oh boy, I love the turn this thread has taken! There's meat on them bones at last.

These mutable crosses forming on top of Musharraf's natal placements do suggest a sharp and defined turn in the road. Now you see him, now you don't. Plus, he has a solar lst/7th eclipse series between south leo (bye?) and north aq in Feb. '08. His life is a glass of water perched on the edge of a table.

Interesting too, how many repug contenders(4)occupy the Repug chart's progressed Full Moon in pisces/virgo. South node again, mutable itchy-twitchy projection screen.
Reminds of the WWII comic strip Pogo: "We've met the enemy and he is us".

Has anybody else thought of this. Perhaps the shredding of our Constitution, establishment of private armies, destruction of our armed forces, upsurge in racial and class conflict, destruction of the middle class, mammoth transfer of wealth from our Treasury to selected members of the oligarchy, crushing debt, pre-authorization of travel, etc. Perhaps all of this is because they know that global climate change is going to lead to turbulance like we've never seen before and they are getting prepared to quash us all?

Now, this would take data collection, analysis and planning on their part, and that's the weak point in my conjecture.

Whaddya think?

Pakistan's English language daily...

http://www.dawn.com/2007/11/05/ed.htm

I keep getting an error message saying I'm trying to post something that has triggered the security filter.

Shylurker, they don't need to conduct any more scientific studies or gather data to know there's going to be some major water and drought related social convulsions. Our side has already done the hard work of getting the correct data. All they have to do is get their Blackwater army prepared and those detention centers finished in time to quell the convulsions.

Shy, it's the "quashing us all" part we mustn't assume. Almost giddy to think it could all come together so pointedly, then we'd have defined cause to grab our torches and pitchforks. Damned refreshing such clarity!
The Grande Planners are afraid of us, and astrologically we've a ways to go: one move on their part, the cumulative responses are building on our part. A lot depends on the next two elections, and for now the MSM has voters bamboozled and manipulated like newborn lambs.
As a populace the Jungians would say clear individuateds have their pocket knives out and are attempting to cut through the fabric of consciousness to the bumbleheads on the other side.

Case in point, the best candidate who can handle the presidency is #8 on democratic polls.
We're choosing the least viable candidates to the pleasure of the Grande Planners.

People. Puh!

Read this first, then call you Congressperson and
tell him/her to either support Dennis Kucinich's resolution or not vote against it.
Also call Kucinich,and let him know you support him. Then call John Conyers and Nancy Pelosi and
request that they allow this Bill of Impeachment
against Cheney to come to a vote.

lunaoscura, reading how the baboons of blackwater
(lower case is appropriate) are pretending to be helpful in CA fires reminds of a few things:
1)that's how you put lipstick on a pig.
2)where is the National Guard hmm? could it be Iraq?
3)befriend and be helpful to those you wish to dominate (ala Tibet).
4)CA is a testing ground for the rest of the country.
5)blackwater is stupid enough to pick CA.
3)

As Cap'n Sally said, they do seem to be de-sensitizing us to all kinds of horrors (beheadings, torture, etc.) and I figure they're doing that for a reason. I think I'll go plant some tulip bulbs now and try to commune with the hummers in the backyard. Will this nightmare never end?

It is just unhealthy to assume "we'll all be rounded up and put in detention camps".
That has not happened, and if it's attempted may be cut short.

http://agonist.org/ian_welsh/20071105/the_wile_e_coyote_economy

Wiley E. Coyote Economy

patb, It would be a stupid move on their part to round us up, but that doesn't mean they aren't planning it. Look at the planning that went into invading Iraq! Even I knew it was going to backfire on them for the simple reason that Urban warfare simply doesn't work. Not unless you nuke whole cities into rubble and dust, and even then insurgents will get away and move to the next town.
I can see them trying their best to control us with Blackwater and detention camps, but they will find their efforts even less effective than Iraq. First, we are too big a country in sheer size and numbers, and second, too many Americans own guns and know how to hunt, and will simply go underground to pop up in the most inconvenient places as insurgents. Americans are the same as everyone else and will resist when and where and however they can.

Gore/Biden would sound good, so would Gore/Dodd....intelligence squared? Plus such an election would put the whole Clinton soap opera in the past where it belongs.

Will the people in Georgia come up, following the African-Americans who fled decades ago into the cities? If so would they be able to cope with all of the cultural and racial diversity we now have, the fact that something other than churches dominate the social landscape. I don't ask this idly. True, people will stay if they think this is just a bad year or two. But if it isn't just a bad year that goes away, they will want to go where there is water.

There was a post that said it a couple of threads ago: Cleveland, Chicago and Pittsburgh already have the infrastructure that only needs to be upgraded. I would add Cincinnati has neighborhoods where there are a lot of vacant houses that could use new tenants, or if the new tenants didn't want what was available, land that could be come plots for new homes.

I was listening to NPR a few weeks ago and they said that Youngstown is now demolishing old homes because there are whole blocks of people who moved away and never returned because the factories died. For years they kept the old lines but now are drawing up plans for a smaller city. Detroit is the same way, although not planning to contract. Who knew that water problems might lead to those old places being needed again?

When I was a kid, people talked about desalinization plants, Back then it was considered impractical to say the least, since there was plenty of cheaper fresh water. But now, especially in places like Phoenix and Las Vegas, I can see people thinking about the Gulf of Mexico being a more reliable source than the Colorado river: if only they could get the salt out of the water.

Vast aqueducts were built by the Romans to get water (fresh) to their cities. It is certainly not out of the question that something similar would be on the books with desalinization. No more water negotiations or digging deep, except for pipes. Water from Mexico, whether river or sea or local comes up through pipes to feed a thirsty southwest may well be something on the table very shortly.

No time given so limited for interpretation, but has anyone taken a look at Mukasey's astro info? According to wikipedia he was born July 28, 1941 in the Bronx.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_B._Mukasey

One of the things I always admired about Israel, in the 70's, was the desalination plants they had constructed and were using. Do I have a gap in my history here? Did they decide to move in on Palestinian Territory because their source of fresh water tasted better than desalinated sea water?
Hillary voted Mukasey IN today! ( CNN is improving somewhat, they had the traitors who voted for him posted on the backdrop!) Clinton Feinstein, Schumer,
I guess COde Pink didn't make enough impression with their "mock waterboarding" on the sidewalk in fron tof CNN DC headqarters when Feinstein arrived for her Sun Morning Talk show appearance!
for those who youtube.......
http://www.democraticunderground.com/
CODEPINK Demonstrates Waterboarding to Feinstein at CNN
Time: 03:53 | star 35 recs
QOPW

Nice going, Hillary. Keep it up. hee hee.

On March 21, 2007, the Subcommittee on Commercial and Administrative
Law authorized Chairman Conyers to issue subpoenas
to J. Scott Jennings, Special Assistant to the President, Office of
Political Affairs; William Kelley, Deputy White House Counsel;
Harriet Miers, former White House Counsel; Karl Rove, Deputy
Chief of Staff and Senior Advisor to the President; Joshua Bolten,
White House Chief of Staff; and Fred Fielding, White House Counsel,
to obtain testimony and documents.17
BREAKING: JUDICIARY COMMITTEE FILES CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS REPORT WITH HOUSE CLERK Updated at 8:37 PM Source: BRAD BLOG
http://www.democraticunderground.com/
QOPW

Shylurker you ask the questions and the universe sees to it that you get answers. Neat trick you have there!

http://uk.reuters.com/article/homepageCrisis/idUKN05284709._CH_.242020071105

Climate change threatens national security -report

[snips]
Scarcity could dictate the terms of international relations, according to Leon Fuerth of George Washington University, one of the report's authors.

Global cooperation based on a resource-rich world could give way to a regime where vital commodities are scarce, Fuerth said at a forum to release "The Age of Consequences."

"Some of the consequences could essentially involve the end of globalization as we have known it ... as different parts of the Earth contract upon themselves in order to try to conserve what they need to survive," said Fuerth, who was national security adviser to former Vice President Al Gore.

Rich countries could "go through a 30-year process of kicking people away from the lifeboat" as the world's poorest face the worst environmental consequences, which he said would be "extremely debilitating in moral terms."

"It also suggests the kinds of hatreds that build up between different groups will be accentuated as these groups attempt to move to more clement locations on the planet," Fuerth said.

"We predict a scenario in which people and nations are threatened by massive food and water shortages, devastating natural disasters and deadly disease outbreaks,"…

Climate change will force internal and cross-border migrations as people leave areas where food and water are scarce. They will also flee rising seas and areas devastated by the droughts, floods and severe storms that are also forecast consequences of climate change.

CNN is just a piece of work, as usual, if it tried to insinuate (read: lie/hitpiece) that Hillary would vote Mukasey in. She was one of the first candidates to come out against him, strongly at that.

Besides that, it's impossible. She is NOT on the Judiciary Committee voting tomorrow. We have 10 Dems, 9 Repubs:
http://judiciary.senate.gov/members.cfm

We are trying to vote so that he does not make it out of Committee (and into the full senate), forcing them to come up with someone else. Having just 2 members with DiFi and Schumer now supporting him has tilted the slim margin we had, to the rightwing, and caused much consternation. Shame on CNN. Naturally they don't have that on their site and I hope Media Matters caught it.

Thanks for the reality check Shez! I thought that Schumer & Feinstein, had insured it passed out of the committee and there would be a general vote in the Senate today! I couldn't watch Cspan because I had errands to run.......Yes SHAME on CNN.
Sorry fpor the disinformation!
QOPW

Question time:-)
Who said this and about whom?

"The presidential candidate who has raised the most money from Washington lobbyists is not a Republican. It's a Democrat. The candidate who has raised the most money from the health industry—insurance companies and drug companies—is not a Republican. It is a Democrat…. And the candidate who has raised the most money from the defense industry, is not a Republican. It is a Democrat. And all those descriptions fit the same candidate. They're all.... ?"

If you really can't imagine who
http://www.mojones.com/washington_dispatch/2007/11/John-Edwards-Iowa-caucuses.html

They were betting that the GOP is so damaged as a product they had to pick a Democrat, and since Hillary is gung ho for corporate globalization, she'd be the one.

Shy, I think it's no one thing, and then it's everything at once, if that makes any sense. Pick your poision. Climate Change/Global Warming, Peak Oil, and even "Peak Water" now, the Baby Boomers/Pluto in Leos retiring, economic collapse and depression, etc. Any way you look at it, there are a lot of things set to come to a head during this run up to the Uranus-Pluto Square from 2012 to 2015, and the public is finally, finally starting to wake up and catch on to it all. They're not waking up happy, either.

I don't fear the "elites" at all, because quite honestly, they are clueless and criminally inept in all of this. The very candidacy of George W. Bush should have made it evident to everyone that this sad bunch of self-serving so-called leaders is morally and ideologically bankrupt, and has been so for years. They are deathy afraid... of us. The "desensitization" towards violence, blurring of reality, Reality-TV, endless Britney Spears/Lindsay Lohan/Paris Hilton-overhyped-starlet-drama loop is all about distracting us from what is actually taking place in REALITY, and all of the lies and crimes they have perpetuated.

They all know what they've done and what they've been a part of. They know the lies, the crimes and the score. The fact is, they don't want us to wake up, realize we've been had, get angry and come after them, because there are so many more of us than them, and revolution has happened before, and will happen again.

When the American people rise up, our own elites will probably end up somewhere between a Second Nuremberg and a permanent "out of body" experience. Thoughts like this probably keep a certain man likened to a certain sith lord up at night, as well it should. In the meantime, and for the near term, we probably face more "police state" measures, i.e. surveillance cameras everywhere, ID cards, etc., which of course are merely just signs that the federal government is past its' shelf date. Pluto in Cap will make this ever more clear.

And here I must ask, "what are we going to do about it?" Because giving up is just not an option in the face of times of great upheaval and change, we must do something. Each of us must, and I think all of us here want a better world. What are we going to do, individually and collectively to bring it into existence?

Arrived a few hours ago at work NZT and immediately spotted the Ron Paul news

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071106/ap_po/paul_fundraising_5

Ron Paul raises more than $4.2 million

And then thought does he really have a chance?

Just as I'm about to leave for home

http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0008274.HTM

"Ron Paul was born with his Leo Sun (August 20, 1935; Green Tree, PA; Allegheny County; time unknown) conjunct Pallas, an asteroid often bestowing a keen interest in politics. This Sun-Pallas combination is located at a most auspicious point in comparison to the U.S. horoscope: it's exactly aligned with the U.S. Moon at 25º Aquarius, which gives him a direct connection with the American people and their security needs."

It's said that a meaningful connection to the U S Moon is verrrrrrrrry good.

And as they say "It's not over 'til the fat lady sings" or if and when Ms Clinton gets over her forthcoming crisis

Thanks, NeoB, for your (usual) well-informed and keen insight on the situation. The response to Katrina illustrated only too well the contempt in which they hold us. Also, when they started passing out lots of bucks to help our local law enforcement prepare to combat terra-ists, I think I mentioned somewhere here that local law enforcement would also be used against just plain old folks who might wish to gather together to protest in the old fashioned American way. Dunno.

Well, i have to weigh in here, Shy and Neo. The perfect storm is converging given the development of Blackwater, the signing statements, the stepped-up travel restrictions, escalating oil prices, crumbling infrastructures, and economic free fall. In fact i'm coming to believe that the coup already took sometime prior to or around the second installment of this current regime. We are now witnessing and are a part of the death of the dream.

It is obvious, for example, that the support for Mukasey is a BIG FAT and LOUD signal that the constitution has no value anymore.

And Luna, i live not to far from the small city or Orme. And yes, it is a bellweather signal. Atlanta -- with unchecked development -- may soon follow.

The majority of the population has been disconnected from these growing realities. It compounds and adds to this perfect storm.

I've no answers to "what do we do?" I've been conserving most all of my life, and i know most of you have as well. I've demonstrated, written, and railed against something that began long ago. I continue to meditate, send an energetic positivity to slice through this darkness. But the best of all is sharing laughter with friends, and family, coming here for all the commaraderie and knowing there are others who are fighting in their own way to make a difference.

http://www.thoughttheater.com/2007/11/keith_olbermann_special_comment_110507.php

Keith Olbermann Special Comment: 11/05/07

Re: "what do we do"

Here's another take on that question, from a profoundly spiritual point-of-view, but one that is sanguine about "business as usual."

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_2604.shtml

"Acceptance is the answer to all of my problems"--Alcoholics Anonymous Big Book.

I'm googling desalinization. The interesting statistics regarding steel and aluminum and petroleum production also emphasize why recycling is so important.

http://www.waterdesalination.com/introduction.htm

I would love to recycle my aluminum foil more, but they only apparently take cans at my condo. We need to do more, much more.

http://www.thoughttheater.com/2007/10/the_dysfunctional_presidency.php

The Last Puzzle Pieces Of A Dysfunctional Presidency?

Looks like we'll have more to worry about than just water shortages in the future. The next challenge is a shortage of food. Guess everyone here has heard of CCD (Colony Collapse Disorder) where bees are abandoning their hives, and disappearing. Scientists are speculating that a single virus, or even several viruses may be responsible, and it is happening on a global scale. I was watching a program on PBS on Sunday. It seems most of our fruits, and vegetables can't be produced without the help of bees. I didn't realize that the bee played such an important part in our food production. Well, they showed this region in China that was famous for producing pears, but when the bees disappeared, there were no more pears, so thay had to employ thousands of humans to imitate the pollination process in order to produce pears. The only problem was that it took about 10X the amount of humans as it took bees to do the work, and it was a painstaking, and time-consuming process! So, if scientists don't find the cause, and remedy it soon, the world is going to be in big trouble. The bee problem has already shown up in England, Australia, Israel, America, and several other countries.

They are thinking that they may have to breed our species of bees with African killer bees, which seem to be the only strain able to resist the viruses that attack the immune system of the bees. Scientists say the mysterious sickness is similar to AIDS in humans which destroys the immune system of the bees, and renders them helpless to fight off disease.

I found the link for that NYTimes article on Greenland ... "Greenland Thaws".

http://www.
nytimes.com/2007/10/28/world/europe/28greenland.html

The 13 photos that accompany the article ...

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2007/10/27/world/1028-GREENLAND_index.html

I hear you, Karen. What is maddening to me is why we are embroiled in all this hideous, grisly torture and death stuff when we should be mobilizing all over the planet to halt the demise of the planet as we know it. If this country is now arguing with itself about whether torture is ok--well, that is just breathtaking isn't it? I can't figure if that is a dodge, keeping us busy while ripping us off, and then, once all that time and energy has been wasted, the joke will be on us because we will suffer waves of death as the planet becomes uninhabitable--while the uber wealthy will think they have found safety in remote places such as on top of that huge reservoir in Paraguay. I guess it's best to turn our attention and energy to local efforts to save the planet and encourage others to join in, and let the sickos back in DC play their games all by themselves. Dunno.

It's a tiny trend right now, but let us hope it holds. Pray, chant, make libations, dance, meditate--whatever you prefer--that this trend grows.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x120117

Has anyone seen the new documentary released this year entitled: "What A Way To Go".
Just ordered it and will report back to all you guys. Good for us to look at exactly how to bring our energy back to our own families and communities regardless of the world of politics gone insane.
It would be good for us to panic less and take our power back personally.

Carol, request they consider 'flattened' clean aluminum foil, go to the top guy. In our town the recyclers stopped accepting plastic bags, so I went to the supermarket where they also quit accepting them and went to the president of the company with the request. (those bags pile up even with cloth grocery bags). 6 months later they are accepting them again! How about that!

Our newspapers also came with a plastic sleeve regardless of weather. I called the publisher and asked they quit it, he said no. I cancelled my subscription and just get my news online.

I swear, if it's the last day on earth you'll find idiot me recycling.

I'm thinking my post may have been missed since it was so close to the end of the last discussion. Would Sally, Morgana, or anyone have some comments on Steve Judd's recent postings about the coming conjunctions at 1 Capricorn this year? I would really appreciate the insight from the group of this site.
Blessings and many thanks.

In that Samheim edition of his newsletter, Steve Judd did make some profound observations, didn't he, Raven? The most exciting to me is that he thinks everything going on around the time of the Capricorn conjunctions could mean "the rebirth of gnosis and the beginning of the final end for organised and systemised religion." Wow.

Hi Shy and late Samhain Blessings to you!Yes, his ideas are interesting even if, I think, understated. I'm wondering about his observation that this particular alignment only happens every 26000 years or so ( but then there may be several alignments of which this is also true ). Could this be the alignment that births The Age of Aquarius?

Sometimes it seems as though the world is hurtling towards disaster, and that may well be so; but this is a natural, and inevitable process. Maybe we can delay it, but we can't escape it, as can be seen from ancient civilizations. It is a cycle as represented by the 3 gods or Trinity in the Hindu scriptures. Usually they are represented as the 3 points in an equilateral triangle - on the bottom left is Brahma(the Creator), at the top is Vishnu(the Preserver), and at the bottom right is Shiva (the Destroyer). Also, most Hindus believe that we are presently in the age of Kali Yuga, which heralds descent into darkness until final destruction. This is of course an oversimplification of it, but I will give 2 links where you can read more if you like, or if you search the internet, I'm sure there are several versions of both. It's strange how much the ancient Hindu religion and Catholicism have in common. In addition to the Trinity, the Hindu Lord Krishna is of virgin birth, and represents God incarnated on earth in human form.

http://www.blavatsky.net/theosophy/judge/articles/kali-yuga.htm

http://www.rudraksha-ratna.com/hindu_trinity.php

The resolution to impeach Cheney is now in the House. A vote to table the resolution looks like it may be DEFEATED!!!!!!!!!! We need this good news.

Cross your fingers and YOUR TOES!

Woot! Woot! They just voted to send it to Judiciary Committee (chaired by Conyers).

218 yay - 194 nay

that's quite a statement! FLOOD PELOSI'S PHONE!! My rep is a sponsor of this!

IMPEACH!

Sun/Mars/Uranus Grand Trine right now

Although the roll call vote had initially appeared to favor Hoyer's motion to table, Congressional Quarterly's Ed Epstein told CSPAN that Republicans had switched their votes at the last minute in an attempt to embarrass the Democratic leadership, who is not keen on seeing further action on the impeachment resolution.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Kucinich_not_stopping_with_Cheney_plans_1106.html
QOPW

So, how do Cheney's transits look?

Here's his birth chart

http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/CheneyDick.htm

This is encouraging: 79% of US recognizes climate change challenge means we gotta change our wasteful ways (why energy costs must go higher to force us is beyond me. Mebbe the energy lobby funded the survey.).

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/home_page/427.php?lb=hmpg1&pnt=427&nid=&id=

The Deadly Embrace

Zion-power and War: From Iraq to Iran

By James Petras

No crime against humanity is too great for the Presidents of the Leading American Jewish Organizations to defend. It is this slavish obedience to the official Israeli policy that marks out the Zionist Power Configuration as something much more than just another lobby as its 'left' apologists and even Walt and Mearsheimer claim.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18674.htm

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Holding Zionism To Account

Open Letter to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice

From Alan Hart, author of Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews

I have the impression that your seven visits to Israel/Palestine have led you to the conclusion (of course you can't say so in public) that the Zionist st

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18672.htm

Amazing Grace

By Charles Sullivan

It seems inexplicable that so many of the American people can be so dazed and confused, while moral degenerates ransack our nation, piss and defecate upon the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, and brazenly loot the public domain, making a mockery of the rule of law and societal norms; whatever they may be.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18671.htm

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America's Road to Tyranny

By Vincent L. Guarisco

Most of the 'free' world rightfully sees America as an old melted heap-of-wax whose bright light burned out long ago when we morphed into a military state dictatorship.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18670.htm

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Sally, Kucinich's move to impeach Cheney (then Bush) could be the one to be the sinker for
"we're the leaders, they're the advocates" Pelosi.
Repugs wanna skewer the dems on their own petard.
I'm getting out the science!
Dec 21 solstice, Jan 30 mars direct.
Kucinich, Pelosi, Cheney. In that order.

Oh yeah! How could I forget! Jan 30 is the demonic one's birthday! (what will the elves bring to bad bad dirty boys?)

Astronomers discover 5th planet around Star 55
in Cancri...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071106133058.htm#

Astronomers discover 5th planet around Star 55
in Cancri...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071106133058.htm#

http://www.astrowisdom.com/thisnewmoon.htm

THIS NEW MOON
in Scorpio
Friday, November 9, 2007
3:03pm PST
17° 10'

©2007 Lisa Dale Miller
All rights reserved

Eight Verses SoundArtwork can now be downloaded for free!

YOUR DEFECTS
An empty mirror and your worst destructive habits,
when they are held up to each other, that's when the real making begins.
That's what art and crafting are.
A tailor needs a torn garment to practice his expertise.
The trunks of trees must be cut and cut again so they can be used for fine carpentry.
Your doctor must have a broken leg to doctor.
Your defects are the ways that glory gets manifested.

-Rumi

So everyone, what broken down, unhealthy aspects of your life are you ready to release? The New Moon in Scorpio is the perfect a time to put muscle behind an intention to transform cognitive and emotional distortions, especially those that bring suffering to yourself and to others. So take a deep breath, muster up some courage, and gracefully greet this New Moon in Scorpio. This is the premier night to open your eyes to your own self-doubt, insecurities, negativities and self-delusions, and through clear comprehension, transform these negative states of mind into positive intentions for liberation, and internal and external change. Scorpio is the sign that seeks deep truth in all things

http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2007/11/6087_bipartisan_effo.html

Bipartisan Effort To Strengthen War Powers Act

A bipartisan group of six congressmen—Jones (R-NC), Delahunt (D-MA), Abercrombie (D-HI), Brady (D-PA), Gilchrest (R-MD) and Ron Paul (R-TX)—have introduced a bill strengthening the 1973 War Powers Act. This is an important development for those who care about boring old things like democracy, yet it's gotten little attention online and almost none in the regular media.

To learn more, start with an impressively honest column by George Will and Chris Weigant's useful analysis. You can also check out the bill itself, press releases from Delahunt and from Jones, and well as stories from the Sun-Journal in North Carolina, Voice of America and CNS News.

Links within text

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/11/06/countdown-despot-measures/

Despot Measures

You guys are going to love this... check it out.

http://democracyforamerica.com/pulsepoll/results

Oh, that's amazing, Mz Morgana. What a difference a day makes. What fun!

50 States Sued to Block Computerized Vote Counting

Federal Court to be Asked to Delay Primaries

On October 2nd we posted an article in which we announced that the Clean Election Lawsuit was being expanded to all fifty states. We said we were in the process of filing an amended complaint to name all of the nation’s chief election officials as defendants.

We also announced that we were looking for up to three volunteers from each state to become plaintiffs and/or friends of the lawsuit. The response was very strong. We thank each and every one of the 610 people who responded to this call for action.

http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/UPDATE/Update2007-11-06.htm

Hi folks. I just came out of meditation. Here is the fruit.

SPIRITUAL GOVERNMENT

We have been practicing the right to be capitalists. It is time to practice the right of seeing borders as connections and the least of countries as part of us. There is NO order of difficulty in the miracle of love. ""Enlightened"" self interest is our new capitalism.

Nameste'

Timmy J sure but no North American Union, please.

Youtube of Kucinich HR 333:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yyWe5eNBRE8

Go Dennis!!!

I suspect this will disappear into a black hole too, but I wonder if anyone will see what Kucinich's transit are. I'm not a very good astologer.

born October 8, 1946 at 5:53 PM in Cleveland, Ohio

I'm tellin' ya, i've never seen Kucinich so determined and fixed in purpose as yesterday. Powerful. Though the house resolution to impeach Cheney went to judiciary -- saved by rethugs who wanted to debate it on the house floor -- it still felt like a breakthrough, of sorts. I don't know about you all, but sure needed that "feeling" again, and i got it thanks to Dennis. It's not the first time. In person he's down to earth, yet charismatic. When i heard him speak about healing past grievances, the wounding of Native Americans and African Americans, well, i knew he was incredibly brave.

I posted it before butI'll say it again.......in the video of the protest in Kennebunkport in Aug.? Sept.? Dennis, & ELizabeth lead the procession carrying the banner..when a man in the crowd ( alongside the route) collapsed. They went over to him; Elizabeth used her cell phone to call 911, Dennis knelt down beside the man and performed reieki on him!
I have a suspician that some of the Repugs who voted to send the H res to judiciary, may also desire impeachment at this point although they WOULDN'T admit it.
QOP

Video Intervies with Daniel Estulin, Author of the New Book on the Bilderberg Group

http://www.snowshoefilms.com/index2.html

Good grief, folks! This is amazing--and so now what happens?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2228865

Holy Minot, Batman! There's more (scroll down just a tad when you get to the site):
http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff11052007.html

It keeps oozing out and oozing out, Cap'n Sally. Jes' like you said.

Wow, Shy. I just can't help but think some of this is going to leak out, or ooze out, in a big visible way. Got too. There's just too much happening to keep the lid on for long. Maybe that's why the push to Iran BECAUSE the lid's getting ready to blow!

Another torture memo found

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004653.php

.......

Senate Judiciary Committee approves new AG
Attorney General nominee helped through Committee by key Democrats

Michael Ratner is president of the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) in New York. Taught at Yale Law School, lectured at Columbia Law School, and was President of the National Lawyers Guild.

http://therealnews.com/web/index.php?thisdataswitch=0&thisid=576&thisview=item

If it's not stopped soon, though, Karen, and if this administration continues to fumble badly, the nukes in Pakistan in Taliban hands . . .

Military Contractor DC Powwow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Kuf6MA6pzw

Senator Dodd Posts Video of Interview with AT&T Whistleblower Mark Klein

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2007/11/senator-dodd-posts-video-interview-t-whistleblower-mark-klein

lunaoscura, for what it's worth I promise it won't disappear into a black hole. Only had time for a cursory look at DK's chart & progressions this morning and promise to look further into it as I'm sure others here can't resist either.

As for DK's standing alone in defense of what's right and the corrupt bunch he stood out in relief against shows fantastic courage. His action yesterday will expose many for what they are. Call it the Great Unmasking.
That the repugs are turning this into another maneuver doesn't surprise us.
Anything BUT the constitution. What is normal is sick sick sick in-our-faces contempt and complicity against We The People. The Beast needs a name and a face that transcends the MSM.
Or will "normal" be living death.

Our choice.

Mr. Klein Goes to Washington: Initial Press Coverage of AT&T Whistleblower's Discoveries of Illegal Spying

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2007/11/mr-klein-goes-washington-initial-press-coverage-t-whistleblowers-discoveries-illeg

Forgot to mention. Of course disregarding their oath to uphold the constitution is business as usual and Impeachment probably won't happen. After all they're reflecting back the insanity of our own culture, the crudeness and stupidity of it and we're all guilty.

OTHER surprising and ironical side effects from Dennis's courageous act WILL happen however. Count on irony.

RIYADH, Nov 5 (KUNA) -- Saudi Interior Minister, Prince Naif bin Abdulaziz, has confirmed the Kingdom's plan to build a security wall along the borders with Iraq.

The Saudi Ministry received 14 applications from local and international firms to build the iron curtain-style security wall, Prince Naif said in statements Sunday night noting that the offers were being studied.

Meanwhile, the Saudi Minister warned against any attempts for "sectarian divisions" in Iraq, a matter that would take a heavy toll not only on the country's stability but on the region as a whole.

On a potential US strike against Iran, Prince Naif said he hoped such strike would not take place.

http://www.kuna.net.kw/NewsAgenciesPublicSite/ArticleDetails.aspx?id=1854599&Language=en

Patb,

Thanks for looking at the transits for Dennis Kucinich. I have some very good news! This is an excerpt "from a letter sent to constituents today by Rep. Robert Wexler (D-FL), a member of the House Judiciary Committee, where the matter has been sent again. Wexler is calling for the committee "to schedule impeachment hearings immediately and not let this issue languish as it has over the last six months."...

More from the letter

The American people are served well with a legitimate and thorough impeachment inquiry. I will urge the Judiciary Committee to schedule impeachment hearings immediately and not let this issue languish as it has over the last six months. Only through hearings can we bring begin to correct the abuses of Dick Cheney and the Bush Administration; and, if it is determined in these hearings that Vice President Cheney has committed High Crimes and Misdemeanors, he should be impeached and removed from office.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5263

I love Wexler!!

Well hush my grits!- Pat Robertson endorses Rudy Giuliani

Saying that he puts security ahead of "pro-life" criteria, (and presumably anti-gay rights), Robertson & Guli went public with a love fest at the podium. It wasn't pretty. Robertson reared up on his hind legs to bestow a slobbery kiss of endorsement onto the fawning Guliani. (Roberto and Guliette?)The rest of the evangelicals are surely "sitting and spinning" to quote Rosie O'Donnell. Wouldn't this be nice if this puts a harsh new spotlight on Robertson's many shady business investments including S. African "blood diamond mines. Now if we could just catch Robertson in an airport mensroom doing a "toe dance"........tra la la
Swamp

Swamp just love the way your mind works!

Sure hope to see Rosie back with her own show. I'm also a Whoopie fan but cannot swallow The View even though I could watch it (I telecommute). I'm trying to find Current TV its supposed to be available in my area, but I can download any of it via Current.com love that site!

It's the Larry Craig's Toe Tapping Dance.
Did you know his son ran away because he did not like the way he was being reared?

:-D

Yep gotta love thes "christians" (lack of capitalization on purpose). Interesting how their so- called "morals" take a back seat to their survival.
I love Whoopi Goldberg, don't like the view especially that shrill whats-her-name that got into it with Rosie. Rosie's good ole fighting Irish girl doesn't take any sh**.

Lunaoscura, thanks for posting the correct time for Dennis Kucinich, it has an AA rating from Lois Rodden BC/BR in hand.

"...another stolen election." Oh, they'll try, that is for sure. If you leave a big pile of money on your front porch, advertise that you've done that, and go to bed for the night, do you expect it to be there in the morning. Of course not. The security of the e-voting equipment is a joke. The Democrats had a chance to clean it up and they didn't.

Look for serious questions about election fraud in the Democratic primaries, to HRC's benefit.

The only way to avoid election fraud is the presence of a candidate who will call it. None of the current crew will do that. Edwards continues to tease and disappoint. He doesn't have "it."

If Gore runs, he could stall it and stop it outright by a few intense statements. There was so much talk of fraud in 2006, the theft was free lance and not wholesale as in 2004.

So, imho, it's Gore or a stolen election. Will Achilles emerge from his tent?

"...another stolen election." Oh, they'll try, that is for sure. If you leave a big pile of money on your front porch, advertise that you've done that, and go to bed for the night, do you expect it to be there in the morning. Of course not. The security of the e-voting equipment is a joke. The Democrats had a chance to clean it up and they didn't.

Look for serious questions about election fraud in the Democratic primaries, to HRC's benefit.

The only way to avoid election fraud is the presence of a candidate who will call it. None of the current crew will do that. Edwards continues to tease and disappoint. He doesn't have "it."

If Gore runs, he could stall it and stop it outright by a few intense statements. There was so much talk of fraud in 2006, the theft was free lance and not wholesale as in 2004.

So, imho, it's Gore or a stolen election. Will Achilles emerge from his tent?