"Harvest of times past evoke memories of family gatherings with friends and neighbors, football games and the smell of hot apple cider scenting the air redolent with decaying leaves and wood smoke. Halloween decorations of orange and black appear in our local stores, fall is here. We drive down the highway seeing row upon row of pumpkins along the coastal strand their orange color stark against the dry earth under a relentless sun. Scarecrows stand guard over freshly harvested fields. The time of reaping is upon us."

Morgana, this paragraph takes me back to what was and pushes me forward to what I want to see again. You have described the best of fall, the most vivid of fall. We've been in such a dark period the last several years, so little joy. In the Bible there is a passage that states there is only one thing God will not forgive of a person, but it doesn't say what that one thing is. There have been sermons and firey preachers that have suggested it's taking the Lord's name in vain, or murder, or going against all the commandments or not a "believer." However I think the one unforgivable act is to destroy the spirit and soul of a person or group of people, that I think could not be forgiven and this administration has gone a long way in destroying the spirit and soul of this country. You have stated it perfectly

...but we must not let them do it.

Bob Herbert | In 2008, Bush v. Gore Redux?

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/092307D.shtml

Bob Herbert of The New York Times says, "Right now it's just a petition drive on its way to becoming a ballot initiative in California. But you should think of it as a tropical depression that could develop into a major storm that blows away the Democrats' chances of winning the White House next year. And it could become a constitutional crisis."

Morgana, rich fall word tapestry you've brought to the table. Brilliant and colorful reminder of innocence. This morning I pictured what it must be like to have new life in the home, like Sally does. To know and hold little babies, whose tiny bodies struggle with gravity and laugh in their sleep (talking to the angels). I'd be careful not to bring this world even in my thoughts where they are near. As adults, how could we have such a world surrounding such loving trusting souls.
It doesn't make sense, does it. who wouldn't choose to live in a world warm as a womb that glows? Who in their right mind wouldn't consider this sacred?

We believe in ordinary magic knowing this is our birthright. This morning a flock of bluejays arrived in the backyard, making songs I've never heard before today, bobbing their heads at one another, they were happy and silly (never seen a whole flock before this morning!). In the last week although they're common elsewhere a chipmunk visits daily for sunflower seed, first time in the 10 years I've been here. Loud little chap gives the squirrels what 'fer .

Oh Morgana-You have captured the beauty of autumn and the beauty of chilhood and security and innocence. I still feel it in my muscles and bones and love the thought of shorter days and coolness and hot tea with honey and milk.
And then I am an elder now and not innocent and this ingress as you explain harkens more towards depression and rage depending on one's personality type.
May the memories of autumn's past encourage and enliven us to face what we must and do what we must.

Seasons of life, no kidding, I'm working on crone, elder works too. My memories of fall involve molasses cookies, the scent of pumpkin and cinnamon spices (my mom's forte were pies), and of course the hot cider with cinnamon sticks.

When the world is a dark place I'm drawn closer to family and friends. We've survived governments, kings and czars throughout the ages. It's the same battle over and over and over again. Hopefully mankind will get it right eventually.

Oh gosh, I keep thinking American's have a wildxxxed streak in them and the harder the gov't pushes the harder the people push back. Oh whoa the lines at the airport when Joe Paycheck can't catch a quick flight to Vegas to play the slots, or a flight to Reno, or Aspen and Mammoth to ski the slopes, no sudden vacation to Hawaii. Oh yes this will set real well with Joe Repuglican traveler.

Clymela I absolutely love tapestries its an analogy I often use about lives of others interwoven into our own fabric.

Oh, my gosh, another gorgeous tapestry woven with words by Mz Morgana. You do have the gift to evoke glorious images, and a rich mix of sights, smells, sounds and feelings. What a glorious gift. Thanks ever so much, Mz Morgana.

Re gold/inflation comments on previous posts
This from Ray Merriman
http://www.stariq.com/marketweek.htm

But once we get to late 2008 through 2009, inflation could grow like… why, wild fire! I wonder what our fire sign “men of action” will do then? Well, interestingly enough, Paulsen’s chart shows no great stress. His term is over, along with Mr. Bush’s. But Mr. Bernanke, the Federal Reserve, and the United States of America are another story. By that time inflation could be in the double digits, Gold could be in the 4 digits, and the DJIA could be in six digits.

Hi Sally this is from the Q&A section Marjorie Orr's web site

http://www.star4cast.com/index2f.asp?page=forum_article.asp?id=1

Care to comment? Since you know the charts very well

My comment is I've had this growing feeling in recent weeks - gut feel only - she could be right

Marjorie's reply to a question

"Think you may be right about the Republicans holding on, unthinkable as it was until recently. Jupiter is in Capricorn over the election which rather favours traditional values, commerce etc and on election day it will be beside a Capricorn Moon hovering close to the Republican chart's Jupiter in Capricorn opposition Cancer Sun. They'll have a bumpy ride into the election with the jolting Saturn Uranus opposition just off Neptune which is very highly strung and insecure a month before the day itself. That may be because of a major economic hiccup but oddly enough when in crisis, country's tend to hang onto what they know, even if what they know has caused the problem in the first place (viz Bush's unbelievable Second Term election).
What really clinches it (if these party charts are right) is that the Democrats have really sticky transits next year with Neptune square Sun and conjunct Pluto from March onwards which is really undermining and confusing. And the exact transitting Saturn Uranus opposition at 18 degrees is only one degree away from their 17 Mars in Virgo which is highly accident prone, gloomy and bad tempered. Plus Mars in transit squares their Pluto in the few days after the election which looks highly frustrating."

Morgana,
That's a wonderful, rich weaving yes weaving together of words!
Beautifully spoken! I would add one more sensory touchstone. A dog barking in a distance, at dusk.
And every farm had it's own windmill!
It leads me to wonder, how many contemporary children, will cherish these memories as we old crones do? SO many of them are separated from the earth, and bombarded with Brittany & Madonna, Manga, & superheros!
This piece of news is interesting. How timely to bring forward an eyewitness account of the Nuremberg trials

If there should be any doubt, take a look at the book that Mr. Dodd has presented as his campaign biography: A collection of long-buried letters that the 38-year-old Thomas Dodd wrote to his wife, Grace, who was back in Connecticut when he was a lead prosecutor in 1945 and 1946 at the Nuremberg trials. “Letters from Nuremberg, My Father’s Narrative of a Quest for Justice,” written with Lary Bloom, portrays Thomas Dodd as a hero at the great trial of the 20th century who imparted the lessons he had learned in civil liberties to his son.!
Dodd’s Other Campaign: Fixing Dad’s Reputation
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/24/us/politics/24dodd.html?th&emc=th
QOP

I swear your prose just gets better and better, Morgana! This was a visual and sensory treat, like the taste of a fresh pumpkin pie with real whipped cream.

Stan, Merriman's weekly offering on Star IQ included this which i found interesting as well:
"It's just a matter of time before business leaders of the world will no longer want to accept payment of the US dollar for their goods. Its days as the standard world currency are slowly fading into the sunset. And a generation after that may be the demise of English as the world's standard language. One follows the other."

It's not a long shot that we would see another rethug prez. Given the energy of the Supreme Court, it may, in fact, be a given.

QOP, i heard about Dodd's book on NPR. What gets me is the number of books being published that espouse virtures, another reshaping of thought going on. Clinton has a new book out as well.

We've been advised to reduce our dependence on fossil energies (duh) but doing so has, in the past, been prohibitive. Maybe we're nearing affordable solar energy, just maybe.

http://www.industryweek.com:80/ReadArticle.aspx?ArticleID=14932

Besides Joanna, where are you wv? Sharon?

Morgana-crone indeed.Spent yesterday baking yeast rolls for coffee and conversation with my favorite crone, a friend of over 30 years who is now 75. We are beginning a yoga class together- better for those creaky joints and stiff limbs.
That Marjorie Orr quote hurt so much.
I so often want to scream at Reid and Pelosi with their batty insistence on talking nice. With Reid I have heard that he has two sons working as lobbyists and Pelosi so often just acts like a wealthy woman.
My friend yesterday mentioned that Hillary irritates "every white man in the country". HMMMMM?

Stan, for different astrological reasons than the ones mentioned in Marjorie's column or rather in conjunction with those aspects I have had an uncomfortable feeling that a win of the GOP in 2008 could be a possibility even a probability and the rising anger at Congress has made me very nervous as well as the "media driven" back biting of the Democrats. No one is happy with any one candidate and the candidates (Dem) present themselves as desperate and the media certainly supports and gives plenty of coverate to their internal splits.

To confuse matters, there are two Democratic Party charts one from 1792 (when it was the Democratic and Republican party) there was a split in the 1800's when Jackson took office and it became just the Democratic Party in 1832, actually both charts have a tremendous tendency toward self destruction, which is probably why it was re-organized in the first place. The DNC recognizes the 1832 chart as the beginning of the present day Democratic Party. (confusing I know)

The Republic Party re-organized in 1854, and the Sun of that chart conjuncts the US Sun, America quickly aligns and feels safe with the GOP, that's the first problem we have. America has a Sun square Saturn and our collective ego wants and needs a "daddy party" unlike France we want someone to tell us what to do and we feel the GOP has those answers (at our collective national identity) One interesting note, by taking the 1832 Democratic Party's chart and the 1854 GOP chart, the NN of the GOP sets on the Sun of the Dems chart at 0 Gemini, the Democrats are constantly forcing the GOP party to modify and change. That said, Pluto on election night is at 29 degrees Sag in an applying inconjunct to their NN and Sun, again, we won't know which end is up in the 2008 election nor which way to go, but someone for sure will be surprised.

The Saturn and Uranus opposition on election day 2008 is exact to arc, indicating an upset however these planets sextile and trine respectively the 1832 Jackson Democratic chart Chiron. A healing of sorts for the Dems? In fact, on election day, transiting Jupiter, transiting Saturn and the Dem Chiron forms a grand trine and Uranus sextiles the Chiron, and T-Jupiter with Saturn forming a kite and the key to a Dem win if they can appear solid "Saturn" and in charge. On the other side of the coin, Transiting Pluto will be in a square aspect to the GOP chart, indicating either a loss or an attempt at a power grab that will destroy them in the end, they need to be careful not to do that. It's a mixed bag for sure, because the same Saturn/Uranus opposition form a trine and sextile to the GOP Chiron, without the kite or the grand trine aspect.

The Dem chart indicates they could win with a Saturn type dark horse, someone who appears serious and responsible. We will see if they can come up with that person

Stan, Marjorie Orr's take on the election, even Merriman's description of the public's desire for "conservative tradition" sounds as crazymaking as l984 rationale. Can't elaborate more than a collective silent scream so common over the last 7 1/2 years of ongoing nightmare.
Merriman softens his words so to discern where he's coming from can leave one undecided. If you read between the lines you can see he expects Bush to be bumped-off Tecehumseh-style.

That said, here's my offering sans astrology, nuts and bolts re the next election:
l. Hillary has been funded by Murdock. Promo l8
months ago, Newsweek "Hillary the Phenomenon".
Her popularity, just 16%, flatlined. No
Phenomenon, then what is this?:
2. Repetition. Get into the minds of the public
even tho underneath she is uninteresting and
gathers no passion with the public. Tout her
as Nominee even tho there is no popularity to
back the concept. Visually give her 1st
position at the debates (3x so far).
3. Karl Rove said in early Aug 07 that Hillary
has a "fatal flaw" and will not be "Elected".
4. Despite this "fatal flaw" she can be
"Nominated" (especially if other candidates are
pushed as "unelectable", like Kucinich which we
know is not true).
5. Murdock is funding her because her "fatal flaw"
is: AMERICANS WILL NOT ELECT A WOMAN PRESIDENT.
Keeping the repukes in power another 4 years.
This is what's behind these unfathomable
suggestions about Hillary that don't make any
sense. It makes enough sense to repukes to push
a flatlined candidate as something more.

This is what I've pieced together, have not seen anyone point this out yet. This is the repuke method to stay in power. No, we are NOT crazy, this is what's happening and why we have to stay above the collective consciousness.

Does California have a chart? I want to know if the Republican attempt to split the electoral votes is successful. It could easily mean the Republicans get a good chance to win in 2008. The thought of it sickens me.

Lunaoscura,
I use 9/9/1850 9:41 AM San Jose, CA

Patb,
WHy WE have to try to DRAG others around us up out of the collective unconscious!
QOP

Yay Sally! You must be talking about Kucinich!
Re new charts for a party, I say always go with the Grandfather chart. ie., we've seen the '91 chart for Russia being used as national chart (not rational) but always go with the Nov 8,1917 revolution chart. Same with party charts which reach crossroads from the original chart, can't mean the original chart disappeared.
Dems just crossed into their New Moon phase (last 7 years in wrapping-up phase). Repugs reach FM phase along with the u.s. progressed sun at 4pisces. Good bleepin' riddance!

QOP, oh I think people are not that stupid and are waking to it on their own. We've got a bit of time here, not much but enough.
Note whenever Hillary promotes herself the dem candidates and the People challenge her position and a corporate round-heel Bluedog that she is.

We can keep the unbeloved Hillary off the ticket.
Just because the repugs are having SOME success even with those dems who are otherwise intelligent people, Hillary's positions are being exposed for what they are, avoidant, unclear especially compared to other sharp sane voices raising issues she refuses to discuss.
Just because the Repugs want this doesn't mean they'll get it.

Whoop! Whoop! Wahoo! Kucinich!

I'm not sure whether or not it was posted here, but on demsunderground, a poster was called by a polling group. He didn't get the name of the group. Apparently the caller garbled the name. But, the question was -- of these democratic candidates -- the caller listed them -- who would you vote for? The man answered Kucinich, who was NOT on the list. There was some confusion on the line, as the polster asked for clarification on this. She got back on line and said, well, of the candidates i just named who would you vote for.

The same lack of Kucinich coverage is occuring throughout all medida. Does he truly scare people that much?

Sally, can't find my old data re births of the dem parties old and new, I'll shine your shoes forever if you can post them, please?

Karen, games. Kucinich is still getting his exposure at debates/forums around the country/alternate news orgs that most people have found by now and have turned to anyway. By the way, don't trust the tedious DU. Such boring dilletants.

Sally,

Thank you for your invaluable, awesome insight to Morgana's equally awesome, breathtaking article :

"I think the one unforgivable act is to destroy the spirit and soul of a person or group of people, that I think could not be forgiven and this administration has gone a long way in destroying the spirit and soul of this country. You have stated it perfectly."

This certainly is the bottom line, and we see it happening not only to Mother Earth=Gaia; Mother Ocean's Spirit is nearly dead; and many of us experienced this travesty at home, as our own Mother's Spirit was crushed by an out of balance male energy- (Dad). The Yin energy of this world and the powerless/voiceless billions of lifeforms of this planet certainly know(s) about the destruction of their Spirit and very Souls....How totally heart-breaking for us all....

While we're on the subject, a few more rethug games in process:
1: Make the dem Convention nice and early so they can snag the nominee they want (hill'o'beans)before countermeasures (public wakeup) can undo that nomination. (doesn't mean it will succeed).

2: Silence Olbermann by making him so busy with his new Sports Show, greater and greater demands on his time and health. (pugs have been wanting to put msnbc on the "public auction" block for some time now). Keith's prog chart does appear to be in trouble with prog merc retro and jupiter (journalism) going retro in his chart.

Tricks, tricks and more tricks until we grab our Torches and Pitchforks. Don't believe we have a choice, and we know full we're being asked to sharpen ourselves and be confident. We don't want what's on their party tray anyway, right gang?

Patb, Dem charts

Democratic Party
5/13/1792 Philadelphia PA 12:00 pm

Democratic Party Jackson Chart
5/21/1832 Baltimore, MD 12:00 pm

Sorry PatB, I don't see Kucinich as the dark horse, I see the person as a surprise and someone not thought of as a serious candidate at this point. It could be Gore, Bloomberg, Hagel, or someone completely out of left field. Kucinich does not have the "Saturn/Uranus" energy in his chart at all and would be perceived as way too left to fit the pattern of this election at this point I am loath to consider the possibility of Newt Gingrich, but his chart does not indicate that he fits the pattern. If there isn't a "dark horse" that jumps in, we will get a GOP win just because there is a perception they are more solid than Democrats and the US population is looking for solid

Thanks Morgana for posting the astro charts for the GOP and Dems, and to think I just missed out on having someone shine my shoes forever, darn.

Well since I wear flipflops, go-aheads, thongs she gets off scot free. Thanks for the dates and times for the Dem charts Sally, I didn't lose them for a change.

While I am all consumed with fear and loathing (thanks, Dr.HST) at what is going on here, there is an amazing thing taking place half a world away in Burma. The monks started marching first but have now been joined by the nuns and the monks have lifted their ban on the general population joining them. So far, the military has been restrained. A couple of days ago, they even let Aung Sen Suu Kyi come to the gate of her compound (where she's been under house arrest for what seems like forever) and allowed a handful of monks to briefly meet with her. HHDL has asked all Buddhists in the military there to remember the teaching, including compassion and non-violence. My heart is in my throat each time I click on a news article about events there. Does anyone have astro info on Burma and particularly on Aung Sen Suu Kyi and can provide us with some insight? I don't now whether they practice vedic astro there or not, but I suspect the call to march was not done without at least some knowledge of current "signs and portents".

Technically speaking, I don't know how this influences the shoe shining offer, BUT . . . Cap'n Sally has had posted for a long, long time the USA (July 4th 1776), Demo and Repug Party charts at the very top of the left-hand side bar on the front page. Do let us know what y'all decide about the shoe shining arrangement.

Morgana, thanks so much for those charts. Yeah, I use the 5-13-1792 chart not looked at these in about 3 1/2 years..back to 'em.

Sally, sure. Walking without fresh ground under me like Wiley Coyote in midair and not looked afresh yet at this stuff. But we ARE discussing just dem nominees for now, right? I've been watching tactics mainly and now will get serious about who's who. A Gore surprise would be scrumptious. We're up for the fight of our lives in any case.
Back to study late nite (golly neds, so far behind on what I need to pay attention to in my life it's scarey and a bit paralyzed by it all),
I can't tell you how refreshing it is to share on this blog, and pool together everything we know!
As an astrologer myself am always hungry to share since our fannies are on the line!
Astrologers with nasty little egos, the gloomers and doomers are usually quite ungenerous and are not given to a good, healthy brainstorming even when the stakes involve everyone.
Tell me I'm wrong! Tell me why and I'll thank you for it. We all need to be open to doing this in times like these, right-on sistuhs and brothuhs!

Sally, addressing the Gingrich hasbeen. His '94 Contract on America was the GOP's coming out of the closet. '08 is the fruition of that period but doubt he's a player.
I have to take issue with any view of the perception of the GOP as still traditional or reliable! Not with 70% of the pop wanting to end the war. Not with a 9 trillion dollar deficit.
Many, many lifetime citizens voting republican have defected the party. Constituents with R's are too ready to vote them out of congress, the senate and governorships. They are exposed daily of thieving millions from their state coffers.
Sexual deviants exposed routinely! (Let's not forget our friend and scorpio at Hustler magazine is still holding onto his list for golden moment to pull the rug out, ie., election time). Destroyers of the environment. Thousands losing their homes. 45 million without healthcare. Jobs outsourced. Troops against the war exposing, exposing.
Traditional? Reliable? Deeply deeply untrue.
I trust our intelligence will get our dem candidate elected fairly, just as '06 saw the dems votes so overwhelming repugs couldn't steal it without it being obvious, just as it has the last 2 elections stolen were dem victories, so will this one be the repugs have to keep stealing
what we won't give them willingly.

Here's a case of a clear double standard the "government" applied to a church in the other direction.

From the Los Angeles Times

Pasadena church wants apology from IRS

All Saints' rector also demands that the agency clarify its findings after closing its probe into an antiwar sermon in 2004.

September 24, 2007

The Internal Revenue Service has told a prominent Pasadena church that it has ended its lengthy investigation into a 2004 antiwar sermon, church leaders said Sunday.

But the agency wrote in its letter to All Saints Episcopal Church that officials still considered the sermon to have been illegal, prompting the church to seek clarification, a corrected record and an apology from the IRS, the church's rector told standing-room-only crowds of parishioners at Sunday's services.

The church also has asked the Treasury Department, which oversees the IRS, to investigate allegations that officials from the Justice Department had become involved in the matter, raising concerns that the investigation was politically motivated.

More...

Here's a case of a clear double standard the "government" applied to a church in the other direction.

From the Los Angeles Times

Pasadena church wants apology from IRS

All Saints' rector also demands that the agency clarify its findings after closing its probe into an antiwar sermon in 2004.

September 24, 2007

The Internal Revenue Service has told a prominent Pasadena church that it has ended its lengthy investigation into a 2004 antiwar sermon, church leaders said Sunday.

But the agency wrote in its letter to All Saints Episcopal Church that officials still considered the sermon to have been illegal, prompting the church to seek clarification, a corrected record and an apology from the IRS, the church's rector told standing-room-only crowds of parishioners at Sunday's services.

The church also has asked the Treasury Department, which oversees the IRS, to investigate allegations that officials from the Justice Department had become involved in the matter, raising concerns that the investigation was politically motivated.

More...

Wooo-hooo, QOP, it's growing!
http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/story.php?id=136139&ac=PHnws

Shy, Aung Sen Suu Kyi is asking for 3 days of worldwide synchronized prayer at 8pm Sun 9-23 thru 9-25 for `15 minutes each day. Do you know how this translates for us timewise? They posted Sun.9-24
which doesn't make sense.
As a non-flagwaving buddhist wonder why they chose 8-8-88 as auspicious. (Thinking of Dick Clark when I was a punk kid turning l961 upside down as 1961. Novel but not 'zactly auspicious).

Just went to one of those world time sites and it says that it is now 3:14 am (maybe 3:15 of even 3:16 since I checked) on Tuesday, September 25th in Rangoon. It's still Monday, September 24th here on the Left Coast and it is 1:46 pm.

Ha! Ha! That means 1am 9-25for you, 2am for me.
Hmm. Think I'll just do it before bed tonite..we'll still catch the wave on these last two days.
Since Tibetans are still under Chinese thumbs since l959, and since the Chinese manufacturing blitz/greed are fast destroying their own ecology including their water supply. Just one tip of the international scale can send them crashing and free Tibetans. One good president here is all we need to help tip the scale.
Gaia, the earth herself will help us. That's what our prayers are effecting. The earth.
Shrug off us peckerhead humans.

Burma, January 4, 1948 is the date you are looking for...

I saw some internet visuals on the news of the Monks and hundreds of thousands of people flanking them. I hope they are greatly successul!

........

http://harpers.org/archive/2007/10/0081720

Specific suggestion: General strike

Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust
—Isaiah 26:19

Buddhist monks lead 100,000 protesters in Burma

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070924/wl_asia_afp/myanmarprotestmonks_070924164829

http://www.freepress.net/press/release.php?id=275

FCC Fines Comcast for Fake News

Groups call on agency to take action against hundreds of other stations airing video news releases without disclosure

Thanks for the date, Carol. I just don't know what to use since Burma has been so turbulent. I believe the first general came in 1982, and then some more, a a (brief) democratic state, and then back to generals and so on and so on. That's why I was looking for a chart for Aung Sen Suu Kyi since what's looking good (or not so) for her should reflect Burma.

And, patb, remember that we are on daylight savings time right now. Don't know if Burma is.

Shy, appreciate the time factor adjustment, and no, Burma is not part of the daylight savings.
Aung Sen Suu Kyi was born 6-19-1945 in Rangoon, Burma.

Did anyone watch the BBC news tonight? They showed Ahmadinejad at the UN, at Columbia University, and then they also showed him meeting with, and being embraced by a religious anti-Zion Jewish sect. I don't know what the name of the sect is, but they were dressed like the orthodox Jews, with black hats, and long beards. Anyway, it seems that they also are against the existence of Israel. However, I didn't see this meeting broadcast on any American TV station(I watched NBC, and FOX), which means that the American media's reporting is biased. And if Ahmadinejad has been labelled anti-semitic, how would these Jews be labelled?

http://thinkprogress.org/?p=16390&sortby=toprated

Fake Terror Threat to get FISA passed

I can't find a time for Aung Sen Suu Kyi , darn it! If anyone does find it, please post it. Thnx.

For those who are interested (and this strike in large part is about medical/health benefits), the UAW struck at 11:00 am EDT (daylight savings) Sep 24, 2007. Since their headquarters are in Detroit, should I use that location?

Sally, etal .... Love all the great articles and comments from all of you!
Popping in from lurking mode to pose a quick question ......

Since the Washington powerborkers seem to have equal influence over the entrenched Dems and Reps, has anyone ever looked at charts for the newer minor parties? i.e. Independent, Greens, Libertarian.
Could they perhaps be part of the suprise that you mention Sally?

PatC, your offering article from Harper's Garrett
Keiser is a must-read. He's on the cutting edge of where we're heading and must do. Printed it out, in fact. It's a keeper. Thanks for that!

Shy, good luck with the time, you may have to go to the horse's mouth to one of her main entourage. Besides, the far easterners are awful about birthDAYS let alone times. One of those "so what" times.

Patb, we have to thank Judi. She sent it to me, and I have to agree, it's an awesome article. I posted it as many places as I could and mailed it out as well.

Here is something that looks like but is not satire. Really. They continually project out what they do themselves. This one is just amazingly obtuse.

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2007/09/24/obama/index.html

A "senior official" in the White House of George W. Bush tells journalist Bill Sammon why Barack Obama won't be the next president of the United States: Obama is intellectually "capable" of the job, the official says, but he relies too much on easy charm. "It's sort of like, 'That's all I need to get by,' which bespeaks sort of a condescending attitude towards the voters ... and a laziness, an intellectual laziness."

This ones a goodie!
White House Urges Social Security Cuts
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/24/national/main3291721.shtml
I printed out and didn't bookmark the article in the FInancial Times?
Fortune Mag? how the treasury Dept is appropriating 78Bil from the SS fund and using it for their own purpose, replacing it with IOUs
There were 3 things I wanted to do this week that I can't afford to do , my daughter is sending money for catfood.....................
THIS IS A SHOT ACROSS THE BOW! I'm so mad I can't even spell it. How dare that pusy pimple refuse to attend the UN but get there in time for dinner tonight, plan his own conference with SELECTED countries later this week and force me to the ground with his foot on my back, so that I can't even attend the COmmon Ground Fair to learn about organic growing and alternative energy!! Or attend the University Extension's Master Gardner pot luck supper!
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The T Mars27 gem, T pluto 26 sag, and T sun 29 virgo ( yesterday) complete a grand cross, with my N jupiter 28 pisces......................... Boy am I cross!
And check out this poll! Blue's poll
If the Presidential election were held today would you vote?
For the Democratic candidate 64%
The Republican candidate 4%
A third party candidate 16%
None of the above 7%
I don't know 8%
Total votes: 1815
Older polls
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/
I think a third party would be suicide! Kiwijean.
QOP

QOP, got that right. Better leave the suicide to the repugs. They're doing a great job of it without the help of a third party to highten the chaos for the rest of us, 'ay?

QOP, in my speed missed the upper portion of your blog. What a strap you're in, that's just criminal and not right at all. Putting in my email just in case you can accept a few. Know you won't, but offer's open.
Been paying into SS all my life since 16 yet doubt I'll ever see it myself. ie., my mother never worked a day in her life yet dips double.
Don't understand those taking without needing. There has always been a need for an income ceiling, and have always wondered how a generation could take such a self centered attitude and not give a whit about those generations coming after them, not to mention those carrying them.
Be well, don't forget what I mentioned.

What's up with this? Bushco is supporting the monks in Burma. What is in Burma that Busch & cronies want? I trust the monks can tiptoe through all the broken glass of this mess (probably landmines is a better metaphor), get freedom for their people and yet keep Bushco out. Oh, dear!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7011607.stm

As I wrote also know resentment's not cool, and perhaps it's karmic for my generation to not have that. Or, to reinstate the idea that a culture regards all ages as valuable and infuses support all around like every civilized, even "savage" cultures should and do for every life stage.
Glad to do it. Happy to do it.

Shy, (shut my keyboard after this)it's about making themselves look good. Nothing more.
He cares about the burmese about as much as he cares about us. He's fooling no one.
Lift a finger for the tibetans? Hell no!

Old article, but it does start to make sense. Halliburton and its champion Dick "Dick" Cheney have had a long-time interest in Burma:
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=702&printsafe=1

"If there isn't a "dark horse" that jumps in, we will get a GOP win just because there is a perception they are more solid than Democrats and the US population is looking for solid"

That's pretty disturbing, Sally. That even after 7 years of conservative incompetence and utter stupidity ad the hands of Bush Co. that Americans would give them yet one more chance. Talk about an abusive relationship. And the Dems just can't seem to catch a clue. They aren't even trying.

Knew it, Shy. Swine. Wonder if they can use their money at a concession stand in hell?

Neo, just in case you forgot, they STOLE the last 2 elections because they HAD to. I can't buy that theory, not rationally. If they get in it's because they stole that one too.
Check QOP's poll. Even my repug brother went dem by '04. Puhleez.

Cleaning the kitchen it occurred to me. Only one man would fit the bill and take the race repug.
That's the only one that made even Jon Stewart swoon with manlove. That's Paul Bremer.
Evil and hot enough to make me quiver. Horrible, terrible, disgusting admission.

Hi Sally

Thanks for your, as we've come to expect and you never fail, excellent summary.

Did some more hunting around Marjorie's Q & A
I do believe like her you've got some reservations about Ms Clinton's chances in 2008
"2008 will be an emotional roller coaster ride with partnership disagreements and separations". - Same for both birth times - 8pm or 2.18 am
Ummmmmmmmmh!

As Alice said in Wonderland
It would be so nice if something made sense for a change

It is a full moon night here in Nanchang, Jiangxi, and I can see the moon. and a few stars and planets and some hgh white clouds. It was impossible to see in Xi'an because of the dirt pollution in the air and everywhere and there was the beautiful light pollution in Suzhou which lit up the night like living on the sun. This is the Festival of Mid=Autumn( lunar calandar) when we eat mooncakes and look at the moon and set off some firecrackers for fun. So there is only noise pollution, here. Wishing Sally and Everyone, Happy Mid=Autumn moon watching where ever you are.bjt

PatQ, thinking about you and Eric today, sending light.

ps the GWB helicopter flew right over my neighborhood yesterday afternoon. I could tell it was coming by the rounds of police helicopters over the East River. Then sure enough came the loudest of noises. I always celebrate his arrivals by blasting some music out my window. My tribute to the pRez was some punk music, 'No Merci Uncle Sam" sung by a faux french group, for that extra flavor of sticking it to him, always my anthem for GW's flyovers. This time I added more, "There Is No Saudi Agenda" by another local group, and kept the punk blasting for all the yuppies to hear. The yuppies ruined my summer as they redecorated their condos (once again). They went on vacations as I endured their construction noises. Payback was my temporay fit of loud headbanging punk, I love my local bands!

Thanks for remembering Bhakti.
The bittersweetness of this time of year, along with the current tensions of the planetry positions, and the displacement of my artistic endeavors to earn a few extra bucks, isn't the most fun!!
Thanks patb for your kind offer.I have picked up 2 days tending the library this week, and am currently engaged in collecting voter history records for my county courtesy of the DNC/Dean 50 states program.
It is absolutely fascinating. I spoke to an 80 year old who has been keeping voter records for years (typewriter) who has been given a computer by the state according to HAVA regs. It is at her house because there is NO town office there, pop. 130!
The tech came out & gave her lessons which she was pleased to learn well, and receive praise from him.....But then a friend's computer crashed due to a thunderstorm, and being in the mountains where that happens frequently, she pulled the plug on her surge protector, and probably won't plug it in again until election time!
Today I tackle the "unorganized territories"!
QOP

Hey PatQ,
I do more paperwork than painting. That's normal.
Glad to hear you got some work. Alot of people offer to help me in my studio. I tell them to buy my art, that is the most helpful; they run away.

'Morning all. Can't do this so much (life needs attention)to the relief of all concerned no doubt.
Looked at all 3 party charts after years, briefly.
Hagel's a good man with solid principles but he looks so sad and exhausted, doesn't he. Bloomberg would also be a very strong dark horse indeed.
Hillary please go away. Doubt Bill wants to ride on the back of your broom.

'Nother thing. Pelosi's in trouble, think her days are numbered. Quiet these days isn't she. Shame she hasn't led her party and probably will take the hit for it. Conyers and Reid slinked away. They are chipping away through indictments that slide down the wall. Brown-baggers, sick to death ecosystem, 14bluedogs, corruption, bargaining with the devil.

This situation is begging for an ironical element. What can be done when monstrous aggressors beat down your door year in and year out. Police come and "take a report" and the beating continues. Who wants a country whose people hate you.

Low flying police helicopters making the rounds of the East River once again. Have not been paying attention to the news, it's too busy in my studio. Is the prez leaving NYC soon?

The faux french band CD is geared up with my anthem all ready to blast in honor of the exit.

http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/25/hanging-on-the-telephone/

Hanging On The Telephone…
By: Christy Hardin Smith

Time to hit the phones again, gang. And hit them hard.

Hans Von Spakovsky — yes, the same one that Jane flagged back in 2005 – is up for a vote on Wednesday in the Senate Rules Committee for an appointment to the FEC (Federal Election Commission). Adam Lambert at ePluribusMedia has a three-part series on Mr. Von Spakovsky and why he is utterly wrong for America. And in this DKos diary, Adam covers a potential backroom deal with Reid and Schumer on allowing the Von Spakovsky nomination through…sense my disgust. Maha covers a McClatchey piece and some other background on Von Spakovsky’s minority voter suppression activities. BradBlog has even more on the voter suppression nastiness. ThinkProgress has a letter from six former DOJ employees imploring the Rules Committee to vote “NO” on this nomination, for all our sakes.

Much More....

bhakti, the President of Iran is going to speak at the UN along with the departure of you know who.

Plutocratic Lackeys? Do Bushes, Clintons, and Greenspans have the same employer?
Surfing around today and yesterday I read Bush is saying Mrs Clinton a likely frontrunner. Also read Greenspan critcized the Bushes for their handling of the economy (deficits) saying Clinton is the best Rebublican pres we've had in a while.
I probably shouldn't make political postings since finance and psych are my strong suits. This just really struck me.
Have to admit I now see Mr Clinton in drag as 1st Lady.

I did alot of astro finance data mining yesterday. One astrologer calls for the launch of a hyperinflationary depressions (manipulated markets falling up!) launched when Jupiter conjs Pluto within orb of the Galactic center, Dec 07. This would correspond with Martin Armstrong calling for a uptick in the markets early in 2008. Have to admit I had been scratching my head over that one.

In personal newz I'm moving my floating home from a sleepy backwater slough to the biggest marina on the west coast in Everett WA. Trans Pluto is trine my natal Pluto at 26* Leo in the 10th hse. With Jupiter approaching trans Pluto I may launch a part-time REIKI practice after I move.

Peace-out, Timmy J

Dunno, Timmy. When bush makes statement like that it's because the mind of the public is being manipulated to create the illusion of Hillary, and a win for the repugs. Please think about this.
Illusion. Manipulation.

Today it's my belief the handbasket is going all the way down. Useless to shine a light on anything. Waste 'o' time. Buy camping gear if you can if your life is without reassuring buffers on the front lines. Gold? Silver? Kidding, right.

I don't know what aspects your Pluto natally Timmy J but the Jupiter conj. Pluto and trine your natal pluto is money. So you could make money on your REIKI business.

PatB it does seem like it goes on and on. It makes me wonder what the people born in the late 1800's and going through the first 50 years of the 1900's. No matter who was in office, it went on and on. Just listing them makes me tired. Violent Union strikes, the fight for the right to vote for women, the flu that killed millions, WWI, depression, prohibition, WWII and that was just the highlights and we hadn't even gotten to the Civil Rights Momement in earnest in this country until 1947 in the meantime we were killing off and wiping out black communities. Lovely past isn't it and that's just in the last 100 years. I think of the gun runners and the crackers who got rich off the Civil War and here we are with their ancestors getting rich off of the rest of us.

Here is an interesting link on the present day melt down of banks and lending institutions.

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_2452.shtml

By the way, the Jupiter/Pluto conjunction in the sky should raise the level of confidance in the world and should be an energy that empowers people.

Pat B, I do see Pelosi in trouble, but do you see her as being replaced?

http://www.slate.com/id/2174590/nav/tap1/

Oh please. Oh please. Oh please....

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/25/action-stop-liebermankyl-amendment/

Stop Lieberman/Kyl Amendment

We need every warm body we can muster to call and email their senators RIGHT NOW, before they pull another fast one and sneak this one through in the dead of the night. Call them toll free at 800 828-0498, 800 614 2803 or 866 340 9281, and the submit the action form below to make sure your message gets through.

Just yesterday, Newsweek reported that Cheney had recently made overtures to Israel to get them to launch an attack against Iran, to try to provoke an all out conflagration. It seems every day there is a new story leaked about their aggressive preparations for The Debacle, Part 2. And just as in the lead up to the Iraq invasion, they will keep lying, lying and lie some more about their intentions until they've shot off every cruise missile in the military inventory.

We need your voice, and the voices of everyone else you know, . We need to absolutely flood the Capitol with phone calls and email. Please believe your voice counts. Please believe that when enough of us raise our voices together at one time they do have an impact.

Cheney and his minions are absolutely not going to stop pushing for an even bigger disaster unless we stop them by speaking out with a louder voice. So we cannot let up ourselves even for an instant. .

CYNICAL NOTE: I have no clue if our calls will help. But we have to try.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20920354/site/newsweek/

Let's Make an Oil Deal
A Bush family friend may be undermining Iraqi peace.

Just had an idea out of the blue, QOP. How about presale of your stunning calendars? I intend to gift at least two, plus the one i'd like for myself.

Shy, the latest Myammar report on NPR sounds grim. I'm doubling up on prayer energy.

Pat, i heard Lieberman during the Petreus testimony. This coupled with other reports whirling around Cheney's nefarious goals seem far too coincidental. In addition, i made a point to watch cspan yesterday, hoping to hear Ahmadinejad, instead i heard the rants of Columbia University Pres would seemed intent upon marketing mindthought to university students. His speech must have made Cheney's day.

Will look more into Pelosi. It's her personal life as well. Not especially sympathetic either.
She's out at the next election.
I think she overreacts to aggression/intimidation in males like a great dane bellowing in her ear.
Her replacement could be as banal as Steny Hoyer/warm body (he has mars going direct in his prog chart at 23cap about early '09).

All cut from the same cloth, those kids.

Keep going back and forth on this one: Cindy Sheehan could surprise us all. She could succeed in unseating Pelosi (sophisticated familial political savvy we could never replace). THAT said, who wouldn't prefer Cindy's brand of chaos to what Pelosi enables.
Cindy's chart and progressed chart deserves a serious look. Don't know her time or exact place of birth (she's got a leo/libra face doesn't she?)That little punk Cindy Sheehan could pull it off in CA. Gotta love her!

shylurker,

The UAW was founded in Detroit in May 1935 "by union activists dissatisfied that the auto union under the AFL had not been allowed to name its own leaders", but I can't seem to pin down an exact date yet. Even Wiki and uaw.org lists it simply as May 1935. (Chartered a few months later afterall, see below)

More brief background of events during this time:

April 1935 - U.S. Supreme Court declares National Industrial Recovery Act unconstitutional; National Recovery Administration (NRA) no longer operational.

May 6, 1935 - Works Progress Administration (WPA) formed under authority of the Emergency Relief Appropriation Act. (Part of second New Deal era)

May 15 - Wagner Act passed in Senate. Called the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA), and interestingly enough: 'Labor's Magna Carta'

June 1 - Wagner Act clears the House.

July 5 - National Labor Relations Act signed into law by FDR.

Aug 26, 1935 - UAW chartered by the AFL at their convention.

The Social Security Act and the CIO were both formed in the latter part 1935 also. Two years later in 1937 the Supreme Court had to uphold the Wagner NLRA and the Social Security Act.

The most famous strike by the UAW cited by historians and my old man who retired from GM happened at the Flint sit-down strike on Dec 30, 1936 that lasted for 44 days ending on Feb 11, 1937. Any current aspects matching this strike time period by any chance?

One more tidbit that caught my eye was that Persia's government requested to be called by its native name of Iran in the spring of 1935 (I saw both March and May quoted).

Oh, Shez SpiritEye, what a treasure trove of information! I am mighty impressed. Thank you! I'm not an astrologer, but I do hope Mz Morgana or Cap'n Sally or someone will answer your question about current aspects for the UAW. I hope that the labor movement can flex its muscles, join ranks internationally and use such awesome strength to better things for all "we the people" who are being crushed by the international corporations.

More on Cindy Sheehan developments:
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/cindy-sheehan-seeking-star-power-in-campaign-2007-09-25.html

Shy, seems Cindy would do better with more dignified backing than Roseanne Barr and the like.
What next, Cheech & Chong?
Code Pinkers too, a bit circus-y and losing credibility by being so reactive and undisciplined. She needs to polish things up or no one will take her seriously, which is why I keep going back & forth.
Maybe her role is not really one of authority but as the conscience of our country and the human price.
I recall Robert Bly saying we are a country that doesn't mourn the harm we've caused in the country we've just blown to kingdom come. We don't grieve the deaths we cause.
Perhaps this is Cindy's REAL calling. Which I think it probably is.

Full Moon in Aries

Wednesday, September 26, 2007
12:45pm PDT
3º 20'

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LET'S ALL MAKE THIS KIND OF REACHING OUT PART OF OUR NEW BEGINNINGS

Aires is the first sign of the zodiac and rules new beginnings. This is the Full Moon of the child: a celebration of innocence, adventurousness and starting anew. So if you spent these last two weeks since the Virgo New Moon looking deeply at your inner motivations and/or your unhealthy lifestyle choices, and have decided to make some adjustments, this is the best Full Moon to take a leap of faith, release your desire for a new beginning to the universe and start taking action.

On an Aries Full Moon your intention is best released with these qualities in mind: spontaneity, wonder, curiosity, adventurousness, and innocence. There are few times in an adult life when we can begin anew without dragging along our past pain, fear and worries. But this is the Full Moon to strive for releasing your intention with childlike hopefulness and inner faith. Know that what comes from your strong intention will be evolutionary, supportive and…. well, a big adventure! So smile and let it fly! Since Aries is a fire sign, releasing is best done through burning, and fire ritual is best done with safety in mind; so make sure to use a cauldron, indoor fireplace, or a stone fire circle at the beach to do this ritual.

This is a time to lighten up and celebrate the cheerier, Arian side of life. For those of you who just want to have some fun, this Full Moon of the child is best celebrated with playfulness and adventure. Jupiter in Sagittarius and Moon in Aries bring out athleticism. So don't be surprised if someone starts a touch football game! Mercury in Libra and Mars in Gemini are always up for a treasure hunt or a game of intrigue and mystery. As long as there is good company and lots of action, be together in lightness and joy, and open up to the healing magic of play. This might even be a good day for a fun-filled lunch event at your office. Think of it as a break from the seriousness we'll all feel during the first three weeks of Saturn in Virgo.

Aries also represents our instinctual warrior nature; the raw animal part of us. Though it is true that most animals fight and kill for food and territory, we humans have the intelligence to garner our resources without the fight. The truth is, war is an outmoded technology and must be abandoned. It is a solution that rarely works and only brings with it increased suffering.

Since 2002, our government has been at war as the Moon waxes to its fullness in Aries, the warrior. This year though, the opposition of the hotheaded Moon in Aries and "the great negotiator" Sun in Libra are square the Pluto in Sagittarius (transforming dogmatic beliefs) Mars in Gemini (acting from open-mindedness) opposition. I think we will hear a lot about drawing down troop numbers during this time.

www.astrowisdom.com

Wooooo-hooooo! wv is back! Big sigh of relief. And how!

Timmy J.-yes,yes,yes all those political heavyweights do the bidding of plutocrats although I am such a peasant I don't know how this all plays out. And I don't believe ala Rense that it is the Illumenati (SPG) but rather I suppose it has to do with David Rockefeller and his peers in Europe and Asia.
Anyway it is what causes me such sorrow and depression when considering our predicament-these madmen will not give in until they own the planet. This is why Pelosi grabs her throat and Clinton prays with the likes of Ashcroft,etc. We are screwed but not dead and there is going to be a hell of a fight.

Oh, Karen, I'm not liking this at all:
"Ministers from the Burmese junta met in emergency session in the new capital, Naypyidaw, to discuss the growing threat to their regime. Meanwhile, Reuters reported that the democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi, 62, had been moved to the notorious Insein prison on Sunday from the lakeside villa where she is under house arrest."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/burma/story/0,,2177215,00.html

Shy, looks like that could actually work to free Aung if you read the whole article.
Bizarre! Wonderful!
Perhaps Mr. Brown is instrumental in this odd behavior of bush's. bs though bush is spouting, who cares?
This could be the ticket to a better life for Aung, her people by the junta's awareness of a short distance between their nuts and a cleaver.
Well done, however it's done!

When Aung's free one can only wonder what bush is really up to, since bush just doesn't DO humanitarian.

Sally :-) For whatever it's worth, Gallup is showing that the Dems have a solid image advantage :-) :-) :-)

Whether or not we get Hillary (and we probably will), I feel things will be better with the Dems in charge of the WH again.

http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=28780

H-H-hillary. If that happens we'll know the power of suggestion is all we are.

This was Sept 1959...............the month Eric was born, so I wasn't really paying attention, but I understood on a deep level!

http://commonsense.ourfuture.org/bet_wetter_nation

Had America suddenly succumbed to a fever of weak-kneed appeasement? Had the general running the country—the man who had faced down Hitler!—proven himself what the John Birch Society claimed he was: a conscious agent of the Communist conspiracy?

No. Nikita Khrushchev simply visited a nation that had character. That was mature, well-adjusted. A nation confident we were great. We had our neuroses, to be sure—plenty of them.

But look now what we have lost. Now when a bad guy crosses our threshhold, America becomes a pants-piddling mess.

Karen, that's a great idea about the calendar. I just got an order last night for 6 of them! LAtre today I will post my e-mail address......
QOP

Good news!
http://rawstory.com/news/afp/GM_reaches_tentative_deal_with_stri_09262007.html

Hip, hip, hooray!

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/19961.html

In Mideast, is plowshare mightier than sword?

HEBRON, West Bank — Palestinian farmer Azzam Jaber doesn't have much good to say about the Jewish settlers in Kiryat Arba who live on the hillside above his tomato fields.

For years, the settlers and Israeli soldiers have waged a low-intensity war to drive Jaber and his extended family from their farmland outside the ancient city of Hebron, which has become a magnet for extremist Jewish settlers.

Bulldozers have rumbled through the valley to raze unlicensed Palestinian homes. Settlers have stolen and burned the black tubing that carries water to Palestinians' crops. Israeli soldiers have arrested Jaber four times for trying to protect his land.

So it came as a surprise when settlers quietly came to Jaber this year and asked whether they could buy his tomatoes. All of them. For three times the going rate.

"It was quite attractive," conceded Jaber, who joined his relatives in selling vegetables to Jewish settlers for the first time.

The lucrative business deal is the product of a biblical commandment that calls on Jewish farmers to leave their fields untended once every seven years.

More....

The killing has started in Burma:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/burma/story/0,,2177297,00.html

The killing continues in Iraq. And many other places around the globe.

Will we never have an end to the madness?

GW's helicopter was over my hood again about an hour ago and the police helicopters are low flying again. I already played my anthems and might need to play them again once the helicopter departs. The police helicopters are very loud but the big gungunda helicopter which says United States of America on it's side is like nothing I've ever heard before, beyond scary loud. Right now is a wall of sound, all helicopters all the time.
Our tax dollars at work folks!

GW's helicopter was over my hood again about an hour ago and the police helicopters are low flying again. I already played my anthems and might need to play them again once the helicopter departs. The police helicopters are very loud but the big gungunda helicopter which says United States of America on it's side is like nothing I've ever heard before, beyond scary loud. Right now there is a wall of sound, all helicopters all the time. My insides hurt from the noise.
Our tax dollars at work folks!

Two humongous army helicopters just started flying south and one going north right over my hood. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out of Brooklyn chumps. Good riddance.

BTW, George Clooney is filming right now on my block with John Malkovitch, I'm so busy I will have peek later today on my way to the subway.

Bad news, but not surprising or unexpected. Bush will do nothing past saying a few phonetically spelled out words. No oil.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070926/ap_on_re_as/myanmar;_ylt=ApX4a87nFKVPTnO.NWVq8XSs0NUE

Violent crackdown launched in Myanmar

YANGON, Myanmar - Security forces in Myanmar opened fire Wednesday on demonstrators, and witnesses said police beat and dragged away dozens of Buddhist monks. The government said at least one person was killed, while dissident groups and media reported up to eight dead.

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The military junta's announcement on state radio and television was the first acknowledgment that force has been used to suppress the protests and its first admission that blood had been shed after a month of mostly peaceful demonstrations.

The United States and the European Union condemned the attacks and called on the military rulers to open a dialogue with pro-democracy leaders, including detained opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi, according to a joint statement on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly.

What is your opinion of the effect of Hillary's Aye vote and Obama missing the vote on the Iran war resolution today?

Teresa, few will notice or care (picture Obama riding in a convertible laughing, big sunglasses waving a fat cigar).
Hillary just 9 months ago told a participant in a public forum to "vote for someone else if he didn't like it"...meaning her position on remaining in Iraq and funding the war.
That woman gives me the chills.

I used to like Hillary (when she was First Lady) but I do not understand this vote. I don't understand why any Dem would vote in favor of it? I was a little heartened to see that my senator (McCaskill) finally voted against something the admin wanted.

Teresa, not much to understand. She is NOT who she claims to be. I don't understand why anyone following her recent actions and votes sees her as anything more than a funded Bluedog.
Us humans get confused that the MSM is a drug, a hypnotic.

Anybody got a shovel? I'm tunneling out of here.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/26/breaking-lieberman-kyls-iran-amendment-passes/

BREAKING: Lieberman-Kyl’s Iran amendment passes.

By a vote 76-22, the Senate passed the Lieberman-Kyl amendment, which threatens to “combat, contain and [stop]” Iran via “military instruments.” Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA) called the amendment “Cheney’s fondest pipe dream” and said it could “read as a backdoor method of gaining Congressional validation for military action.”

UPDATE Before the vote today, changes were made to the original amendment, with paragraphs three and four taken out completely. This paragraph was also added at the end:

“Secretary of Defense Robert Gates stated on September 16, 2007 that “I think that the administration believes at this point that continuing to try and deal with the Iranian threat, the Iranian challenge, through diplomatic and economic means is by the preferable approach. That the one we are using. We always say all options are on the table, but clearly, the diplomatic and economic approach is the one that we are pursuing.”

Read the full marked up amendment.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/092607a.html
'A Coup Has Occurred'

By Daniel Ellsberg
September 26, 2007 (Text of a speech delivered September 20, 2007)

Editor’s Note: Daniel Ellsberg, the former Defense Department analyst who leaked the secret Pentagon Papers history of the Vietnam War, offered insights into the looming war with Iran and the loss of liberty in the United States at an American University symposium on Sept. 20.

Below is an edited transcript of Ellsberg’s remarkable speech:

I think nothing has higher priority than averting an attack on Iran, which I think will be accompanied by a further change in our way of governing here that in effect will convert us into what I would call a police state.

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If there’s another 9/11 under this regime … it means that they switch on full extent all the apparatus of a police state that has been patiently constructed, largely secretly at first but eventually leaked out and known and accepted by the Democratic people in Congress, by the Republicans and so forth.

Will there be anything left for NSA to increase its surveillance of us? … They may be to the limit of their technical capability now, or they may not. But if they’re not now they will be after another 9/11.

And I would say after the Iranian retaliation to an American attack on Iran, you will then see an increased attack on Iran – an escalation – which will be also accompanied by a total suppression of dissent in this country, including detention camps.
QOP

QOP, We can trust Ellsberg's perceptions.
State governors will resist efforts and financial impositions (so long as they're actual dems or independents). For once we're fortunate in CO with dem Bill Ritter. But not with Bluedog Salazar who turned to repug deals the second he became senator.

Hmmm..hillary wants war with Iran ("was that a YAY!, sen. clinton or a YEA"), Obama disappears (me not home). Pelosi grabs her throat, Leahy nods off.
The splintering branch is about to break. Now we'll see the heart of the matter. No accident mars and pluto enter capricorn just before the swearing in Jan.'09...now who could be setting up oppressive contingencies?
Your thoughts, Sally? We don't want to get TOO carried away and scare each other unnecessarily.

This is the beginning where states will fight back. May you live in a good state!

patb,
my e-mail address is psharpart@hotmail.com if you want to get in touch. I can't click on your name and get yours because my Grandson switched to Bluetooth ???/ Later, I will reset it when I have techy things to do.................when it gets too cold & rainy to be outside!..........
I asked Obama's intern if he'd had to have an emergency appendectomy today absenting him from the vote. Clinton's aid tried to sell me some wording Gates changed that made it OK to vote for it and I said "Like the word "it" is? And I just plain gave Harry Hell!
Leahy DID vote NO!
I didn't go up to Michaud's office today........ Repeating the same action over and over and expecting different results is .well .......................you know!
Oh THE MOON! It is peach colored, huge, he looks dismayed tonight, and there's a ring of hot pink flame around it! I thought maybe it was because I spent most of the day on the computer doing the voter lists, but it was still there when I came inside!
QOP

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/26/15268/5901

Von Spakovsky to slip through?

Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 01:25:26 PM PDT

It looks for all the world like former Justice Department evildoer Hans Von Spakovsky will slip through and land his share of Wingnut Welfare: a paycheck from the Federal Election Commission.

Von Spakovsky's nomination has been red-flagged for months, since revelations regarding his role in voter suppression schemes, approval of racially discriminatory redistricting schemes, and other transgressions came to light. Von Spakovsky's reward for permanently perverting the electoral system on behalf of the Bush "administration?" A cushy seat with the nation's elections watchdogs. Brilliantly played!

So, you already know where this is going, right? Senate Democrats aren't going to stop his nomination.

Why not?

Well, one suggestion has been that there's some kind of a dealbetween Democrats and Republicans -- specifically to accept Von Spakovsky in exchange for a preferred Democratic nominee -- but I believe the reason is much more mundane than that.

In today's Senate Rules committee session, which met to consider the nominations, Republicans were pulling out all the procedural stops to get this done:

More...

J. Sri Raman | The Companies They Keep in Burma

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/092607S.shtml

Writing for Truthout, J. Sri Raman says, “The world has been informed in no uncertain terms of the concern of the First Family of the USA over the cause of democracy and freedom in Burma. The commitment of Washington to the corporate cause, however, has proven greater.”

.............

Senate Endorses Plan to Divide Iraq

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/092607R.shtml

Reporting for The Washington Post, Shailagh Murray says, “Showing rare bipartisan consensus over war policy, the Senate overwhelmingly endorsed a political settlement for Iraq that would divide the country into three semi-autonomous regions.”

Bill Clinton rips GOP with memories of 'swift boat' campaign
http://rawstory.com//news/2007/Bill_Clinton_rips_GOP_with_memory_0926.html

QOP Thanks for trusting me with your email. FYI mine is patwbishop@msn.com. Would love to see your calendars and art that everyone keeps bringing up! So you went and gave 'em what fer..good for you. What I meant about Pat Leahy, and I love this good man, is that he holds back (hope, hope) and gives then gives in (awwwww.).
I met Leahy in VT in '73 and he seemed SO kind and warm. There is just no fire or courage among them. I don't understand why they are bargaining with these devils AT ALL.
Congress and Senate should walk OUT and do it often whenever our constitutional rights are being stripped from us! The only repug with courage is Hagel and he looks so tired and beaten down by all this. He speaks like a HUMAN!

Now this latest bargaining with the WORST election offender being put in charge I swear
PatC, they are all complicit. Beyond understanding. They don't even bother keeping track of their LIES anymore. Why? Because they're in it for their own security, and ignore our input.

Torches and Pitchforks!!!!!!1

Pat C...I did not read the truthout article yet but when I read how they wish to divide the country up into three areas.... I read at least three years ago that a division of the country in three parts would be the pre-planned outcome the bush/cheney gang envisioned in Iraq...there is method to the madness they have created...and now it probably sounds so reasonable to divide the country up into three...

PatC, I'm seeing Mr. Brown has keen intent to pressure Burmese gov't and plans to do something more than just meet at the UN for clucking over tea. Maybe Brown, acting to bring the world together and impose what amounts to the real vice grip on them, even freezing bank accounts of human rights violators to deepen the meaning of sanctions, which after all, end up hurting the people as well.
Bush of course doesn't mean of word of what he said. What a mindbending experience to hear him talk about human rights (why didn't he die on the spot?).
Let's hope the hideousness displayed by this aggression against their own people serves only to show how Burma Behaving Badly and how they imprison their 82% popular choice for representive, a spiritual one at that, won't be tolerated and send junta scurrying for cover.
And of course the release of Kyi!

Did you notice, that only 20 dems voted nay? the other 2 were Hagel & Lugar, R's.
Yes I had a jolly good time tongue lashing those Senate offices!
In the spirit of the Victorian Matriarch! Sometimes I think we lost something with Woman's Lib.
QOP

If you want to know more about Burma, this is a good start (has links). What a horrible mess! Plus, I saw somewhere that the military pukes running/ruining the country make big bucks off heroin. It seems there are now five, maybe seven, said to be dead--just because people want to live and be free.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1917088

Anybody care to look at charts and offer a prognosis?

Hi QOP & PatB
Yes, I qet the thinking that a 3rd party would be suicide, and based on how things have played out in the past from a non-astrological perspective I certainly agree.
But because we are seemingly doomed unless there is a major shift within the current leaders that are presenting themselves, the question I was really asking is:

Are there any known charts for the minor parties, and if so, has anyone had a look at them to see what they might suggest? Especially on how they might influence the major parties.

In re: Jupiter in Capricorn on election day --

Jupiter was also in Capricorn on election day in 1960. We all know that John F. Kennedy won that particular election over Richard Nixon. In addition, it was also smack dab in the middle of Capricorn in 1996, when Bill Clinton cruised to reelection. Clearly, that planetary placement alone isn't a reliable indicator of which party will win the White House.

Shy, Nancy at starlight has just written about Burma (now Myanmar)http://www.starlightnews.com/

Here's an important news item to make note of..............
CARACAS (Reuters) - President Hugo Chavez wants Venezuelan clocks turned back half an hour and he wants it done in record time -- next Monday.

"I don't care if they call me crazy, the new time will go ahead, let them call me whatever they want," Chavez said on his weekly TV show. "I'm not to blame. I received a recommendation and said I liked the idea."

Since first announcing last month that Venezuela would shift from four hours behind Greenwich Mean Time to four and a half hours, Chavez, his brother and other senior officials have given varying dates for the change.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070919/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_venezuela_time
QOP

http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2007/09/27/dan_rather_suit/print.html

Dan Rather stands by his story

His lawsuit will attempt to show that CBS tried to suppress the report on Bush's National Guard Service and the Abu Ghraib abuses.

By Sidney Blumenthal

snip

When CBS replaced the edgy Rather with the sugary Katie Couric as anchor of the "Evening News," it imagined it had solved its problem, its "errors." The news would get softer, the Republicans in control of the White House and Congress would be nicer, Viacom would grab more media, and ratings would climb. Thus, dismissing Rather would yield untold dividends. Unfortunately for CBS's visionaries, none of that has worked out as planned. Couric simply lacks basic journalistic instincts and skills, and the "CBS Evening News" is at rock bottom in ratings and sinking farther.

Rather could have simply allowed the statute of limitations to run out, lived off his millions, and faded away. But the incident ate at him. On one level, the Bush National Guard story is about Bush and the National Guard. On another, of course, it is about Rather's reputation. But on yet another it is about CBS's overwhelming desire to please the Bush White House and censor itself. The White House campaign against Rather has been so successful that many in the national press corps behave as though in mouthing its talking points they are demonstrating their own independent thought.

On Sept. 20, the day after he filed his suit, Rather said, "The story was true." Rather's suit may turn into one of the most sustained and informative acts of investigative journalism in his long career. He is not going gentle into that good night.

Report Says Hussein Was Open To Exile Before 2003 Invasion
He Is Said to Have Sought $1 Billion and Information on Arms

By Karen DeYoung and Michael Abramowitz
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, September 27, 2007; A17

Less than a month before the U.S. invasion of Iraq, Saddam Hussein signaled that he was willing to go into exile as long as he could take with him $1 billion and information on weapons of mass destruction [?], according to a report of a Feb. 22, 2003, meeting between President Bush and his Spanish counterpart published by a Spanish newspaper yesterday. ... ... contd

http://tinyurl.com/2pyhjy - WP

THE U.S. IS NOW ON SALE

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/marketwatch-first-take-us-sale/story.aspx?guid=%7B11409019%2DB055%2D42C3%2DB32C%2DBDDBAB0169FF%7D&dist=hplatest

..........

DUMPING THE DOLLAR: ISRAEL ASKS U.S. TO PAY FOREIGN AID IN EUROS

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/3689

To the general idea of "No Incumbents in 2008" I will add a slogan:
The Constitution or the Street!

http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1190819100.php

It seems this summer’s credit crunch and the continuing defaults of US subprime mortgages would be enough. Now, however, the US Federal Reserve has decided to play chicken with inflation. But evidently, even this is not too much.

This fall, providence is bringing yet another dish of trouble to an already over laden table—China may actually prove good on its threat to dump $1.33 trillion of US Treasuries and start the long awaited flight from the US dollar.

China’s threat to sell its US Treasuries—if actually carried out—will be triggered by the US Congress. This fall, the US Congress will vote on a bill that would impose a 20 % across-the-board tariff on all Chinese goods imported into the US. The supporters of the bill describe its passage as “veto-proof”—that they now possess enough votes to override a presidential veto.

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I'm speechless! Not being funny here.

Gotta love Billy Clinton's above-it-all rarified atmosphere in his global schmobal godlike self-supreme-ing role of an ability to spill out a cornacopia of relief, or wet his thumb and forefinger and snuff out the ones he doesn't like. Pssffft!

Everybody but US! Hey, what about us suffering and drowning here in your own country! (not enough of an endorphin hit when they live next door 'ay Bill and yr sidekick HWinsufferable?) Wasn't that you, Bill who took access to medical care away from kids and parents and essentially kicked them out on the street? Yes, 96-97 jupiter in capricorn was a picnic for the poor. But we won't talk about that, Bill. Distort your godlike self-image. Or are you in on making us prisoners of our own land?
Does that ego-feeling come in a spray called "Rarified"?

I almost wish we could have a giggly Close Encounters of the Third Kind moment of ordinary people having a reality break with something moving and loving swooping in and delighting us out of this grim dark cloud becoming more dense and close in, as congress and senate play Me Not Home.

Energy flows where attention goes! I am moving Monday and had better get to my chores before I put on a Ghandi mask and parade through the streets with my "The Constitution or the street" poster.

http://harpers.org/archive/2007/10/0081720

The question we need to ask ourselves at this moment is what further provocations we require to justify digging in our heels. To put the question more pointedly: Are we willing to wait until the next presidential election, or for some interim congressional conversion experience, knowing that if we do wait, hundreds of our sons and daughters will be needlessly destroyed? Another poet, César Vallejo, framed the question like this:

A man shivers with cold, coughs, spits up blood.
Will it ever be fitting to allude to my inner soul? . . .
A cripple sleeps with one foot on his shoulder.
Shall I later on talk about Picasso, of all people?

A young man goes to Walter Reed without a face. Shall I make an appointment with my barber? A female prisoner is sodomized at Abu Ghraib. Shall I send a check to the Clinton campaign?

Coming October 2007 is going to be dooooozy one for NYSE etal!

Timmy, beautifully juxtaposed images in that.
How about us funding and paying all those brochure images of fun, surf, carefree faces and primary-colored beachballs flipped upward against blue sky...
on the compacted bodies of the dead and thirsty and dust-choked, funded by parasiting what remains of the lifeforce of the middleclasses and poor who pay for it all. Then find a way to keep it going by corraling those people to keep on giving to the gov't, turn the treasure of educating good minds of future generations inside out into despairing and confused life force with nowhere else to go...
Creeps have ANOTHER thing coming.

(Sorry, needed to rant)

...And Barbara Bush fat-assed in her golf cart gliding over a manicured lawn....

An email from Al Gore to sign on to a letter to Bush about putting their money where their mouth is about global warming.

Dear **,

On Friday a friend of mine forwarded me an e-mail from Martin McGuiness, special
assistant to the president for legislative affairs. At this point, we expect the
White House to spin every issue to its advantage, but this quote in Mr. McGuiness's
email stood out:

"This administration has done more for the environment and addressing energy
security and climate change than any other in history."

While the claim that George Bush has done more to address climate change than any
administration seems ridiculous, I am always willing to welcome converts to our
movement. If this administration has finally come around on the climate crisis, then
now is the time for them to take action.

Let's join together and demand that the Bush Administration commit to an
international treaty that would cut CO2 by 90%.

http://www.algore.com/talkingpoints/

there was more...(but no need to post it)

http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=23770

One photographer killed and six journalists in jail
Reporters Without Borders and the Burma Media Association condemn the poor state of press freedom

At a demonstration close to the Burmese embassy in Paris on 27 September 2007, Reporters Without Borders and the Burma Media Association launched an appeal to the UN Security Council to stop the bloody crackdown on pro-democracy demonstrations within the country.

The actor Jane Birkin also joined the rally to condemn the brutal policies of the Burmese regime towards the democracy movement and the monks.

The worldwide press freedom organisation also called for effective sanctions against the military regime and the immediate release of a photographer and five journalists currently imprisoned in the country. U Win Tin , who was one of the political mentors of Nobel peace prize laureate Aung San Suu Kyi, is still serving a 20-year prison sentence.

As the military junta threatens to crack down on demonstrations by monks and opponents, six Burmese journalists are in jail in the country. Photo-journalist Win Saing was arrested on 28 August while taking photos of activists in the National League for Democracy (NLD) making offerings to monks in Rangoon. After being taken to the Kyaik-ka-san detention centre, he is currently being held at the police station in Thanlyin near Rangoon. He is in danger, as are hundreds of other people arrested in recent weeks, of being mal-treated.

More...

Now I find this an ironic gesture on the part of the US government toward the Rangoon district.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21003194/

Sally, there's something in it for bush. He's posing for someone else, perhaps Brown.

Ironic and how!!!
"“We all need to agree on the fact that the Burmese government has got to stop thinking that this can be solved by police and military, and start thinking about the need for genuine reconciliation with the broad spectrum of political activists in the country,” said U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Christopher Hill in Beijing."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/burma/story/0,,2178728,00.html

Lots of oil in Burma. Very lucrative (to the generals) heroin trade. Freeze assets, scrutinize communications and business deals. Ahhhh, what an opportunity!

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20071015/huq

Protecting the Wiretappers

Bowing to White House pressure, Congress passed the 2007 Protect America Act in August, eviscerating any meaningful checks and balances on a sweeping range of governmental surveillance. Now that it has protected telecommunications giants from all future liabilities, the Administration is demanding they be granted amnesty from legal liability forpast complicity in spying on ordinary Americans.

The professed reasons for protecting commmunications giants from liability in secret wiretapping are no less disingenuous now than they were when these rightfully defeated provisions were first proposed after 9/11. Rather than promoting security, the push for telecom amnesty furthers the larger ideological ambitions of the Bush Administration: expanding government power while choking off accountability for the way that power is used.

Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell and his allies offer four main arguments in support of the amnesty proposals, each more vacuous than the next.

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PatC Guess the Nation is describing well our demise. Is Godot ever going to get here?

Demeter sees a silver lining:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1924698

Shy, you get tonite's prize. It's the way his hands hang crudely like paws. Can'tcha feel the love?

It's getting very brutal in Burma.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7011884.stm

Shy, two things. Naomi Klein knows the score about Blackwater (4part bit on UTube)plus latest.
Just as bush got his sealegs for stealing elections in '00, so did Blackwater after Katrina, murdering fleeing citizens thought to be looting and perhaps for the fun of it like they've been videotaped doing in Iraq.

Just what does it mean, if bush leaves office shortly, then my goodness, why are they buying up land all over the u.s.? Ya' think congress and the senate are noticing this, or are they retarded? Gee, maybe they just don't know.
At least we're MUCH safer when Protect America becomes permanent, don't you feel warm and even cuddled by our gov't?

patb: Smothered and strangled is more like it.

Iran-Contra just keeps giving and giving:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1928364

...from Steve Judd

Thought For the Day



28 Sep 09.06

What’s the collective term for astrologers? DVD for the best answer. Anyway, last night a number of good astrologers met in a slightly darkened room to discuss what astrology was, what it has been recently, what it is now in the early 21st century, what it could be in the future and most importantly what it is. So here’s my tenpence worth – comments welcome.

What is Astrology?

Astrology is a synergy between mathematics, geometry, symbology and intuition, which when used impersonally gives an objective and clear insight into character, the opportunity to observe cycles and an enhanced ability to anticipate futures

http://www.americanprogressaction.org/progressreport

From Under the Radar:

CONGRESS -- SEN. JIM BUNNING REVEALED AS SENATOR BEHIND SECRET HOLD ON PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS BILL: Last week, the Progress Report noted that an anonymous senator had placed a hold on a bill that would restore public access to Presidential records, which President Bush had sealed indefinitely with an executive order in 2001. Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) was originally suspected of being the senator behind the secret hold until a member of his staff contacted the Progress Report to "state for the record that" Sen. Coburn "is not holding this bill related to presidential records." With Coburn out of the running, the mystery of who was attempting to block public access to Presidential records continued. But now, the Sunlight Foundation has revealed that the senatorial hand behind the secret hold is Sen. Jim Bunning (R-KY). "Senator Jim Bunning (R-KY)...has an objection to moving forward with HR 1255, the Presidential Records Act Amendments of 2007. ... whether or not he has had the hold all along, Senator Bunning has been forced to take responsibility for the objection." Tell Bunning to let the bill come to a vote HERE.

Links within

Burma generals and U.S. Repugs:
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/09/hbc-90001304

Great News, all! California has defeated the repug attempt to create the Electoral district plan designed to steal Blue California and make it Red against the will of the people!!!!!

http://couragecampaign.com

(Don't worry, they plan to stomp it every time repugs try another dirty trick, including reintroducing this defeated bill)

CORRECTION for site:

http://couragecampaign.org

for story visit:

http://latimes.com/entertainment/news/celebrity/la-et-cause28sep28,l6068761.story

Yup Californians are not asleep, they are not stupid and may be some of the finger pointers out in the blogsphere bashing Californians with glee will eat their words.

Regarding Cindy Sheehan v Pelosi, as much as I admire Cindy's work she is not a San Franciscan. San Francisco, Sausalito, Nancy's district is extremely wealthy and powerful. I do not think Cindy Sheehan's message, with its single mindedness, will attract that constituency, nor do I think they will give up the Speaker of the House. Cindy would be better put to run for Congress in a District that is harmonious with her message.

Oh one more thought about California, as California goes so often the nation follows. Look out Republicans, Californians are not the only citizens awake and taking names.

Darn, LAtimes story link given doesn't work at this point.

Mutiny is being reported among some Burmese army troops. Oh, may it be so, may it grow swiftly and may there be no more loss of life.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3009739

Morgana, refreshing, isn't it to have good news finally of a public effort actually succeeding! Courage Campaign was very well organized (!), a tip for the rest of the country (dems and indeps not by nature heavy-handed or think like predators who beat the doors down).

Agree about Cindy's challenge to Pelosi's CA seat a bit inappropriate and wonder if she's unconsciously choosing supporters who are well, silly and undisciplined themselves. However, check Pelosi's progressed chart especially. At the very least she is paying a lonely price perhaps with her marriage.
I do wonder if she will make it though the next election, however as majority leader. She doesn't give any hope or alternatives, doesn't seem to be doing much of anything but TALK. She's making deals with the devil and offering no comfort to an entire nation that's flipping out. Nor is she forthcoming about what is really going on and displaying the leadership of her party she was given this position as Leader to accomplish. She is not exposing the bluedogs who are killing every desperately meaningful bill to preserve our democracy.
I believe she needs to be removed as Majority Leader.

Well she can certainly do better as Majority Leader, the guy coming up behind her, Steny Hoyer, is way worse. And ole Rahm is in the mix somewhere and he's DLC which isn't much better then Bushlite. We've known for years now the system is broken and the country is going through a cosmic shake down, I try to keep my eyes on the end goal of a better country and world better for us being in it, not living in fear. I don't like fear, it makes me angry.

That being said, I really think many Americans are totally tuned in, and if those yokels in Washington don't get it, it's their bad.

Here's some good news for a change!

Rangoon: ‘army mutiny’ reported
Troops refuse to fire
on crowds

Reports from Rangoon suggest soldiers are mutinying. It is unclear the numbers involved. Reports cite heavy shooting in the former Burmese capital.
http://www.newsdeskspecial.co.uk/burma/
QOP

Attention:
Go to draftgore.org and sign petition to get Al Gore to run for president.
Carol

Attention:

Sorry guys and gals, I gave the wrong website address for Al Gore. Go to draftgore.com to sign petition.
Carol

Sally, was that you that figured out the Blackwater birthdate: Well the Legion of Doom got a setback:

Amid uproar, Blackwater stops land deal

This is the correct url:

http://www.newsobserver.com/front/story/720247.html

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?storyID=8901

Burma is closed to foreign reporters. Edward Loxton is reporting for The First Post from Chiang Mai in neighbouring Thailand, talking to eyewitnesses in Rangoon by telephone.
FIRST POSTED SEPTEMBER 29, 2007

Burma: all eyes on the man from the UN

Will the special envoy find there’s been a split in the ruling junta? edward loxton reports

Reports of a split in Burma's ruling junta and a possible mutiny by troops in support of pro-democracy demonstrators continued to circulate in Burmese exile circles today, as the spotlight fell on urgent efforts by a UN special envoy to end the crisis.

The visit to Rangoon and Burma's new capital, Naypyidaw, by the UN Secretary-General's special rapporteur on Burma, Ibrahim Gambari, scheduled for today, will hopefully throw light on what is really happening in the country's corridors of power.

Foreign diplomats and other observers are impatiently awaiting the first official reports on Gambari's meetings with Burmese junta leaders. If the name of the junta supremo, Gen Than Shwe, is not on the list, then the reports of a shake-up at the top will be confirmed.

Well-sourced reports on Friday said Than Shwe had been deposed by his deputy, Gen Maung Aye, commander in chief of the armed forces. Maung Aye has proved himself in past dealings with dissenters to be as hardline as Than Shwe. But unlike the eccentric and unpredictable Than Shwe, who relies more on soothsayers than on reason in ruling Burma, Maung Aye is a pragmatist and reported to be interested in forging a political solution that could involve the country's opposition.

In Rangoon and Mandalay, protesters were expected to take again to the streets this afternoon. Monks have been noticeably absent from the demonstrations since troops sealed off monasteries in the two cities and arrested hundreds in night-time raids.

Despite a nationwide clampdown on communications, some Burmese are able to call abroad. "Where is the US, where is the West, when we desperately need them?" said one woman, weeping as she called the Thai-based Irrawaddy news service.

More anti-Blackwater:

http://www.thealbanyproject.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1328

Carol, the article you posted said Blackwater is pulling out of land deals "for now", because they want Erik Prince in Congress, and are waiting for contraversy to "die down".
Plus we have TigerSwan, another mercenary group in Breckenridge Co in tandem with Blackwater's strategic plan.
Sounds like a mere pause in the drumbeat.

global warming for idiots

http://alternet.org/environment/63895

Top 100 Ways Global Warming Will Change Your Life
Center for Amer-ican Prog-ress. Posted September 29, 2007.

Say goodbye to French wines, baseball and the Great Barrier Reef. Say hello to massive amounts of mosquitoes, the northwest passage and hurricanes.

more...

global warming for idiots

http://alternet.org/environment/63895

Top 100 Ways Global Warming Will Change Your Life
Center for American Progress. Posted September 29, 2007.

Say goodbye to French wines, baseball and the Great Barrier Reef. Say hello to massive amounts of mosquitoes, the northwest passage and hurricanes.

more...

So sorry.............selfishly I LOVE global warming! I went around leisurely in my garden and harvested, instead of frantically wrapping everything against the frost only to unwrap it the next morning for 3 or 4 days more ripening! They got an extra 20 days more of summer weather this year.
And a Johns Hopkins Grad was trying to tell me in the library yesterday that he didn't think that gobal warming was man made!
QOP

The way I see it, the places on the planet that will benefit us when global warming makes them more moderate will have to also feed and house the millions of refugees forced to move North as the present moderate zones begin to become arid. There will also be problems with water as there will be less snowfall to create a watershed.

http://dailynightly.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/09/28/384840.aspx

On the ground in Myanmar

Posted: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:15 AM by Sam Singal

By Subrata De, NBC News senior producer

I continue to receive regular updates from my friend in Yangon (Rangoon). He still wishes to remain anonymous on this blog. This e-mail came in late last night. With the government shutting down public access to the internet, it'll probably be the last note we see for a while.

"People are sheltering monks in their houses, at great personal risk. The monks are taking off their robes and leaving the monasteries to avoid being arrested. Several people in our neighbourhood sheltered monks last night. A lot of monasteries are empty and shuttered at the moment. There is going to be another big monks' march today. People are really, really angry, and I think that they're determined to stare down the soldiers. "

And this from one of his friends who heard there has been some resistance from the military:

"Good news! No.33 Army force refuse to shoot the people officially. So, Government ordered to No.33 Army for move out from Mandalay but they are not following the order. We need to pray for our people and real Myanmar Soldiers.

Pause, sure, but the point is that things are starting to get stirred due to that Saturn transit they have.

lunaoscura, these updates on global warming are much appreciated. Here in Boulder, CO our water supply comes from a glacier(!) that was bright and white even in July up until '97. That glacier feeds into a reservoir that has become so low as recently as '02 we were asked to not wash dishes daily, and take Navy showers. Now in January it's patchy and brown predominantly, except after a snow. Obviously, unless water is diverted from somewhere Boulder will be a dead town along with the glacier. Hard to imagine!
No upside to dessicating ecosystems.

One more thing about Boulder. One drought period lasting 3 years will be enough to finish off the glacier. Droughty periods occur cyclically even without global warming factoring in. Many of these far off predictions are blind to smaller regional crashes and how fast these happen.

Carol, indeedy! I've noticed too how this mutable squares and oppositions impact many of these players in the senate and congress, including our friend Mr. Prince a bit of a comeuppance. Don't think they'll pull off their grand vision a'tall

Blackwater’s troubles deepening

http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2007/09/5618_blackwaters_tro.html

Here's a subtle little barameter!
Out-of-control protest' just a UM test

http://www.bangornews.com/news/t/city.aspx?articleid=154750&zoneid=176
By Aimee Dolloff
Friday, September 28, 2007 - Bangor Daily News

ORONO - The command post was in a room upstairs at the University of Maine’s Memorial Union, while the mock scene represented by a built-to-scale model town was a floor below.

Area emergency responders used handheld radios to relay to an incident commander upstairs what was happening on the ground.

The "crisis" was an out-of-control protest. And listening to the radio traffic Thursday, you might have thought it was real, but the simulated situation was a learning tool that UM has been waiting to try out for a year.
If they wanted to prepare for an event like the VA tech shooting............................WHY did they simulate an 'OUT OF CONTROL PROTEST"?
NOT promising!
QOP

Quite alarming, hope none of you are on the short side.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070928/netbank_closure.html?.v=14
This has always happened before, so nothing new.
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7266

A very good article, explains what to expect for the next 10+ years.
http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/schiff/2007/0928.html
STAGFLATION REVISITED
....Unfortunately, the choice that we all are currently facing is much more difficult than deciding to fight recession or inflation. Focusing on one foe at a time is a luxury we have long ago squandered. In reality, we are facing an assault from all sides. Our best course would be to hunker down, settle in for a nasty recession, defend our currency, and try to save enough so that when the dust settles we can try to build anew.
Good luck to us all when the real storm starts next year.

a more in depth explanation of what will happen with our monetary system.
http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1190991990.php

Otherwise look up history 1929 and 1931/32, The reason for the whole scam that is now unfolding is another story.
If mother nature will not intervene the scam and 60 years of planing will be a grate success.

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/63893/

While I strongly disagree with Bill Maher on 9/11, I do agree with him on the issue of Iraq as another Enron.

These neocons are not so much chickenhawks. They are pirates.

http://mbouffant.blogspot.com/2007/09/ome-more-interesting-blackwater-fact.html#links

Turns out Joseph Schmitz, COO & general counsel of the Prince Group, Blackwater's parent company, is married to one Lucila Garnica Gallo, Colomba Bush's sister (Jeb Bush's wife). Next on the list: What sort of family are the Garnica Gallos? Well, not the (literally) criminal lawyers George W. likes to help. Señor Garnica appears to have been a migrant worker.

From the first link (Hampton Roads PilotOnline):

Schmitz was the senior Pentagon official responsible for investigating waste, fraud and abuse. Now he faces a congressional inquiry into accusations that he quashed two criminal investigations of senior Bush administration officials. The inquiry is continuing, according to a spokeswoman for Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa.

[...]

He was awarded the Defense Department Medal for Distinguished Public Service on his retirement from the Pentagon. [Editor's Note: Irony meter red-lines on this one.] Schmitz’s father, John G. Schmitz, was a two-term Republican congressman from California and a prominent member of the John Birch Society, an ultra-conservative group that flowered during the Cold War. He ran for president in 1972 as the candidate of the American Independent Party after its founder, George Wallace, was paralyzed by a would-be assassin.

John Schmitz’s political career ended with the revelation that he had a mistress who bore two of his children. He then moved to Washington, where he bought a house once owned by Sen. Joseph McCarthy.

More...

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/30/us/politics/30watch.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

This is the neo-con group that is behind all those ads you see on TV, urging public opinion to side with those in the administration, who wish to keep the troops in Iraq.

I don't see why the NY Times had to renege on its offer to Move On, to place the "General Betray Us" ad in the Times at a discount price, or why so many Dems are afraid to support the ad. It is just stating what is true, or what they believe to be true(probably similar to Dan Rather's case). The Dems are so quick to cower - which is exactly what the above group want.

USDA ANNOUNCES U.S. RICE SUPPLY HAS BEEN CONTAMINATED

USDA Secretary Mike Johanns has announced that domestic and export stocks of long grain rice has been contaminated by a genetically engineered variety of rice that is not approved for human consumption. Johanns said that the contamination was admitted to be the fault of Bayer Corporation, but the USDA doesn't know how widespread the contamination is. According to Johanns the biotech rice poses no health risks, but could damage the U.S. $1 billion rice export market, since many nations refuse to import genetically engineered rice. Japan has already announced a ban on long grain rice imports from the US. Last year, Japan and the EU banned US corn imports as a result of yet another GE contamination scandal.

more: http://www.organicconsumers.org/2006/article_1584.cfm

If you've not seen Mario Cuomo's interview on Hardball with Chris Matthews, this is a must see just to experience how far astray all 3 branches have gone from common sense and human goodness:

http://crooksandliars.com

Scroll down to the Hardball video (may be on previous page by now which is option at teh bottom of the page).
I tried the 'long link' and it didn't work.
This will make you wistful and certain you're not crazy and there are still good fatherly lawmakers around. Too bad he's out of the loop. But we'll get through this just the same, won't we.

Oh, one extra thing hearing Mario did was to anger me afresh that every excuse given to us by Congress and the Senate is a big pile of donkey dung. They have simply lost their way and the values of the constitution altogether. It's as though they themselves are stupified and lost as the general population!
You too will want to crawl into Cuomo's lap and suck your thumb after seeing this.

patb thank you so much for that link. Do you think that the Congress is acting so stupid,so unthinking and uncaring because they know that the game is already over? Could anyone be that stupid, that unthinking, that blind?
Daily Kos has a great piece on the concentration camps being built in plain sight by our "private armies" and then this weekend we get local coverage of the local cops working with the Feds to practie crowd control.

Thanks for looking a that site I posted clymela! The University of Maine Orono campus is not one I would charactize as flaming liberal!
A little story with BIG import!
And Pat C ,
Your story on GM contaminated rice. If it was created in Germany, how did it contaminate the USA rice crop?
Of course Bayer corpse, was one of Hitler's enablers.
QOP

Some sad world statistics

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_opinion?id=161209626

Uh oh.

Federal Judge Order Murtha To Testify In Haditha Defamation Case
By John Bresnahan

Sep 28, 2007 (The Politico) A federal judge has ordered Rep. Jack Murtha (D-Pa.) to testify in a defamation case related to the deaths of Iraqi civilians in the town of Haditha in 2005, according to the Associated Press.

Murtha, a former Marine. accused Marines involved in the "cold-blooded murder and war crimes'' during the Haditha incident. Fran Wuterich, a Marine sergeant involved in the icident, has sued Murtha for defamation over his comments.

According to AP, U.S. District Judge Rosemary M. Collyer wants Murtha to explain why he made this statement and any documents he has related to the incident.

........

From the AP: 'You're writing a very wide road for members of Congress to go to their home districts and say anything they choose about private persons and be able to do so without any liability. Are you sure you want to do that?'' Collyer said, adding later, ''How far can a congressman go and still be protected?"

http://tinyurl.com/2dkj83

Below I copied and pasted the highlights of this article about Naomi Wolf's The End of America.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html

Fascist America, in 10 easy steps

From Hitler to Pinochet and beyond, history shows there are certain steps that any would-be dictator must take to destroy constitutional freedoms. And, argues Naomi Wolf, George Bush and his administration seem to be taking them all

[snip]
...If you look at history, you can see that there is essentially a blueprint for turning an open society into a dictatorship. That blueprint has been used again and again in more and less bloody, more and less terrifying ways. But it is always effective. It is very difficult and arduous to create and sustain a democracy - but history shows that closing one down is much simpler. You simply have to be willing to take the 10 steps.

As difficult as this is to contemplate, it is clear, if you are willing to look, that each of these 10 steps has already been initiated today in the United States by the Bush administration.

[snip]

1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy
2. Create a gulag (Guantanamo-untouchable by US law and the detention centers)
3. Develop a thug caste (after Hurricane Katrina, the Department of Homeland Security hired and deployed hundreds of armed private security guards in New Orleans. Any company can hire them to protect it's property and interests)
4. Set up an internal surveillance system
5. Harass citizens' groups (the American Civil Liberties Union reports that thousands of ordinary American anti-war, environmental and other groups have been infiltrated by agents: a secret Pentagon database includes more than four dozen peaceful anti-war meetings, rallies or marches by American citizens in its category of 1,500 "suspicious incidents". The equally secret Counterintelligence Field Activity (Cifa) agency of the Department of Defense has been gathering information about domestic organisations engaged in peaceful political activities: Cifa is supposed to track "potential terrorist threats" as it watches ordinary US citizen activists. A little-noticed new law has redefined activism such as animal rights protests as "terrorism". So the definition of "terrorist" slowly expands to include the opposition.)
6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release (it starts with the no-fly lists. People can't fly and they don't get to find out why nor can they get themselves off the list)
7. Target key individuals (Most recently, the administration purged eight US attorneys for what looks like insufficient political loyalty. When Goebbels purged the civil service in April 1933, attorneys were "coordinated" too, a step that eased the way of the increasingly brutal laws to follow.)

8. Control the press
9. Dissent equals treason (when Congress wrongly, foolishly, passed the Military Commissions Act of 2006 - the president has the power to call any US citizen an "enemy combatant". He has the power to define what "enemy combatant" means. The president can also delegate to anyone he chooses in the executive branch the right to define "enemy combatant" any way he or she wants and then seize Americans accordingly.)
10. Suspend the rule of law (The John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007 gave the president new powers over the national guard. This means that in a national emergency - which the president now has enhanced powers to declare - he can send Michigan's militia to enforce a state of emergency that he has declared in Oregon, over the objections of the state's governor and its citizens.)

Island explodes off the coast of Yemen:

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/92644CAE-A380-4926-AC01-7A42DC4A3F71.htm

snip

Ken Allan, a Canadian navy spokesman, said a Nato fleet just outside the territorial waters of the island reported seeing a "catastrophic volcanic eruption" at 7pm (16:00 GMT) on Sunday.

"At this time, the entire island is aglow with lava and magma as it pours down into the sea. We do not have confirmation of how many people were on this island at the time of the eruption," Allan said in an email. "The lava is spewing hundreds of feet into the air, with the volcanic ash also [rising] a thousand feet in the air."

Saba said a military garrison on the island was being evacuated.

The Canadian armed forces said it was trying to locate nine people believed to be at sea after Yemen's coast guard requested help.

The Nato fleet was sailing towards the Suez Canal when it spotted the eruption. The government of Yemen asked Nato to assist in the search for survivors and the closet ship, the HMCS Toronto, is heading towards the island.

Here's a story to lift your spirits!
http://www.opednews.com/articles/life_a_allen_l__071001_the_hummingbird_and_.htm
The hummingbird and the eagle

When the heart achieves its desire you shall transcend time and space ~ for the hearts desire is to love so deeply that it becomes a fragment of life’s heart: Allen L Roland
QOP

Both Congressman Michud & allen have signed on to co-sponsor H Res 333 Kucinich's bill to impeach Cheney!
At least Democracy is in action in Maine! We went to them in a body ,they listened, and followed through!
QOP

Charles, thank you for this article

http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1190991990.php

I read it twice. The info should help one navigate the minutia as people scramble for what has worth.

I'll just add, you can't buy loving, trusting relationships. This is not a time to be burning bridges.

Bush Vetoes Child Health Insurance Plan

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/100307A.shtml

The Associated Press, "President Bush has escalated his battle with Congress over children's health insurance, by vetoing a bipartisan bill that would have dramatically expanded the program."

The Bush administration's ties to Blackwater

Blamed in the deaths of Iraqi civilians, the private security firm has long ties to the White House and prominent Republicans, including Ken Starr. -- By Ben Van Heuvelen

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/10/02/blackwater_bush/print.html

TELL CONGRESS IT’S TIME FOR MORE THAN LIP SERVICE ON MYANMAR

On October 2, 2007, taking a break from honorary renaming of Post Offices, the House of Representative dusted off and quickly passed (413-2) a concurrent resolution on Myanmar, which had been languishing in inactivity.

Sadly, that resolution doesn’t actually DO anything, and makes no reference whatsoever to the massacres of the last week or the ongoing horrors taking place in that country now.

MYANMAR ACTION PAGE: http://www.usalone.com/myanmar_action.php

We have documentary evidence of the Myanmar military junta machine gunning peaceful civilian demonstrators, including the murder of foreign journalists in cold blood. There are credible reports of people being burned alive in government crematoriums. There are widespread accounts of EMPTY monasteries, and thousands of monks being herded into concentration camps in remote parts of the country, bodies dumped in the jungles, pictures of monks floating face down in the rivers and more.

The ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) expressed “revulsion”, and that was BEFORE most of the above reports.

You can see the brutal oppression from space. [The action page above is heavily annotated with links to all the factual sources.]

And none of this, NONE of it was even mentioned in the House resolution passed today.

..............

FCC Busted

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-fcc3oct03,0,5979688.story?coll=la-home-business

The world is run by thugs. Example:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/054999.php
"Charnel House
"It seems, from an article in tomorrow's Times, that there's still much we are yet to learn about how far the Gonzales Justice Department took us into the darkness of state-sponsored torture and lawlessness. Not just the euphemism-laced quasi-torture we've already been numbed to. But everything. From Cheney's lips to Gonzales' pen, you might say."

Unbelievable, he follows his fahters maxim, goverment has nothing to do with providing any social services. This is a family - privat issue.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7026454.stm

Bush veto for child health bill
President George W Bush
It is only the fourth time President Bush has used his veto power
US President George W Bush has vetoed a bill to expand a children's healthcare insurance scheme, after it was passed with a large majority in the Senate.

There's this too, Shy

http://www.democracynow.org:80/article.pl?sid=07/07/26/1410253

Outsourcing clandestine services also presents some legal technicalities. I would bet the WH, in particular cheney's group, coordinated the outsourcing with the secret maneuvering on torture. We're seeing part of that now with Blackwater and what the legal ramifications of their actions. What law(s) hold them accountable?

This is the most secretive presidency in history. Checks and balances can not exist given the backroom rule of throne.

Will some astrologer please write to Dennis
Kuchinich and tell him NOT to introduce his resolution to impeach Cheney during Mercury Retorgrade which starts on October 11.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/06/01/intel_contractors/index.html

The corporate takeover of U.S. intelligence

The U.S. government now outsources a vast portion of its spying operations to private firms -- with zero public accountability.

New Moon in Libra
Wednesday, October 10, 2007
10:01pm PDT
17º 30'

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I am filled with you.
Skin, blood, bone, brain, and soul.
There's no room for lack of trust or trust.
Nothing in this existence but that existence.

-Rumi

Because Libra rules all forms of relating, it's worth beginning with the most important of all human relationships: our stewardship of this planet. Yes, this New Moon is the precursor to the Full Moon in Taurus, the celebration of our Earth Mother. So as the Moon waxes to fullness over these two weeks, start your day with a prayer of gratitude for the air we breathe, the water we drink, and the ground upon which we live, sleep, and work. After the prayer, recommit to being part of the solution to global warming by creating an action you can do that day to make your commitment a reality.

Once again, this year we all need to do very serious ritual work on this New Moon in Libra, the ruler of justice, negotiation, deep-listening, love, and caring for "the other." The expectation that violence is a part of life has become so widespread and unfortunately, so completely nurtured in our young through violent video games, gangsta rap, and TV. It's almost as if humans are giving permission to a belief system which goes something like this: If you don't like someone, or something they believe, well, just get rid of them. You think I am exaggerating? We now have countless incidents in schools and colleges where a gun-toting student has rampaged through classrooms or dorms. And any of you who live in major cities know that gang violence is continuing to plague our youth.

I was at a conference a couple of weeks ago on artificial intelligence. One of the presenters talked about engineering morality into AI systems, and actually said this, "We humans have become more moral over time. We don't engage in hand to hand combat like our ancestors did 2500 years ago." With my mouth agape I thought, no now we sit back and let governments participate in the death of thousands upon thousands of people in wars we never have to experience directly. Where is the morality in that? How much have we evolved at all?

http://www.astrowisdom.com/thisnewmoon/htm.

Right, wv, I would say we haven't evolved at all--at least not since one or another of our ever-so-great-grandparents picked up a rock and brained some other humanoid's relative.

What has evolved is our ability to rationalize.

wv,
Given that Dennis & Elizabeth had their first date at Shirley McLaine's house, and that Elizabeth's Mother has a business in England based on some of her principles, and I saw Dennis do Reiki on someone who collapesed in the crowd during the Kennebunkport rally.............I'm guessing that he's on top of it.....BUT it couldn't hurt to write or call!
QOP

Thursday bedazzlement:
http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEM7A87H07F_index_1.html

Whoa! Sept eclipse, actions AVERTED!
B-52 Nukes Headed for Iran: Air Force refused to fly weapons to Middle East theater

by Wayne Madsen

Global Research, September 27, 2007
Wayne Madsen Report
WMR has learned from U.S. and foreign intelligence sources that the B-52 transporting six stealth AGM-129 Advanced Cruise Missiles, each armed with a W-80-1 nuclear warhead, on August 30, were destined for the Middle East via Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana.

However, elements of the Air Force, supported by U.S. intelligence agency personnel, successfully revealed the ultimate destination of the nuclear weapons and the mission was aborted due to internal opposition within the Air Force and U.S. Intelligence Community.

Yesterday, the Washington Post attempted to explain away the fact that America's nuclear command and control system broke down in an unprecedented manner by reporting that it was the result of "security failures at multiple levels." It is now apparent that the command and control breakdown, reported as a BENT SPEAR incident to the Secretary of Defense and White House, was not the result of a command and control chain-of-command "failures" but the result of a revolt and push back by various echelons within the Air Force and intelligence agencies against a planned U.S. attack on Iran using nuclear and conventional weapons.
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6909
QOP

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/10/3/195715/362

Blackwater, The Privatization of War And Public Enemy Number One

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/California_group_launches_campaign_to_put_1003.html

California group launches campaign to put Gore's name on primary ballot

YAY!!!

Olberman is one awesome dude.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/

Krugman Nails IT!

Conservatives Are Such Jokers

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/05/opinion/05krugman.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

There really is beauty in men's souls. Look at Renoir's outdoor paintings slideshow. My first inspiration as an artist when I was a child came from the Impressionists. Look at these painting by Renoir with their unbelivable translucence!

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2007/10/04/arts/20071005_RENO_SLIDESHOW_index.html

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/10/war-criminal.html

War Criminal

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071005/ts_nm/nobel_peace_dc_1

Climate campaigners tipped for Nobel Peace Prize
By John Acher Fri Oct 5, 5:22 AM ET
OSLO (Reuters) - Former Vice President Al Gore and other campaigners against climate change lead experts' choices for the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize, an award once reserved for statesmen, peacemakers and human rights activists.

If a campaigner against global warming carries off the high world accolade later this month, it will accentuate a shift to reward work outside traditional peacekeeping and reinforce the link between peace and the environment.

The winner, who will take $1.5 million in prize money, will be announced in the Norwegian capital on October 12 from a field of 181 nominees.

Gore, who has raised awareness with his book and Oscar-winning documentary "An Inconvenient Truth," and Canadian Inuit activist Sheila Watt-Cloutier, who has shed light on how global warming affects Arctic peoples, were nominated to share the prize by two Norwegian parliamentarians.

more...

What became of the Glocks given to Iraqi police?

AFP October 5, 2007

BAGHDAD -- They've been searching for months, but the US military has yet to get to the bottom of what happened to tens of thousands of small arms handed to Iraqi forces, fearing many are now in the hands of insurgents.

As an example, the Americans delivered 125,163 Austrian-made Glock semi-automatic pistols to Iraqi police between 2003 and late 2006, Pentagon figures show.

But in October 2006, senior US official Stuart Bowen compared deliveries carried out by a private American subcontractor and Iraqi stocks and discovered that 13,180 Glocks had vanished.

Nine months later, a US Congressional body established that the American military had lost track of some 190,000 weapons delivered in 2004 and 2005. That figure included 80,000 pistols - mostly Glocks.

The Americans handed Iraq's fledgling security forces, lauded as one of the key elements of Iraq's reconstruction, some 370,000 rifles and handguns between 2003 and 2006.

According to Bowen, the special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction, less-than-3 percent of the serial numbers of those weapons can still be accounted for.

"The Americans gave us Glocks without registering the serial number and without receipts," a former policeman called Yasser said. He left his unit at the end of 2004 and sold his Glock to "a friend" for $800.

Indeed, thousands of police who have resigned from the force may have had a handsome automatic pay-off if they sold their weapons. ........Much More!

http://tinyurl.com/2kp62a

New Military Leaders Question Iraq Mission

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/100507A.shtml

Nancy A. Youssef and Renee Schoof report for McClatchy Newspapers, "Four and a half years after the nation's top military leaders saluted and fell in behind President Bush's pre-emptive invasion of Iraq, their replacements are beginning to question the mission and sound alarms about the toll the war is taking on the Army and the Marine Corps."

Ok, I can't stand this. NOW THIS IS WRONG! Enforcing laws in Bushworld is more like SS storm troopers. My father fought in a war to stop this kind of thing in it's tracks.

Not just Iraq, just look what they are doing at home.

http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/05/blackwater-newly-created-thug-caste/

Blackwater: “Newly Created Thug Caste”

snip

Reports are coming in from around the US that passengers in line at airports are being told by TSA agents to `FREEZE!!’ in line — for up to half an hour. A Mills College professor was taken into a holding cell (most of us don’t know that US airports now have what are essentially interrogation cells — Maher Arar was kept in one for two days and prevented by US agents from calling his lawyer — then rendered to Syria for torture). She was told that if she moved she would be considered to be assaulting her interrogator. For the record, National Socialists forced their prisoners to freeze in place — sometimes until they dropped.

Immigrants are being rounded up and the men separated from the women — another chilling scene from the infamous past, and a new scene in America - then deported en masse to holding areas in another state — leaving babies and children behind. Agents rounding them up are breaking into their homes, smashing glass. A mayor in the reddest of red states, Alabama, said a predawn raid that cleared out his town was like `a Gestapo tactic’. Again in the case of the raids we see that the State begins its crackdown with people at the margins, then moves to the heart of society; but in all these cases, what is clear is that the State is habituating citizens to being moved around at gunpoint, physically intimidated or frightened by representatives of the government. Once people are scared of being hurt if they speak up democracy is more than halfway closed down; physical fear silences people that can never be quieted if they know that they are, as the Founders intended, safe in dissent — or simply while waiting in line at the airport.

Congress shouldn’t just be questioning Prince about Iraq; it should be prohibiting any activity of mercenaries on our soil, and investigating the crimes committing in tyhe course of this administration’s determination to gut the Second Amendment and to give the executive his own bloody army of proven torturers, ready to train on citizens here as well as at home.

Fiore has a little "I'm NOT gay" fun...

http://www.sfgate.com/comics/fiore/

And the hits keep coming:

"Scandal Brewing at Oral Roberts U. "
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Oral-Roberts-Scandal.html

.. "The allegations are contained in a lawsuit filed Tuesday by three former professors. They sued ORU and Roberts, alleging they were wrongfully dismissed after reporting the school's involvement in a local political race.

Richard Roberts, according to the suit, asked a professor in 2005 to use his students and university resources to aid a county commissioner's bid for Tulsa mayor. Such involvement would violate state and federal law because of the university's nonprofit status. Up to 50 students are alleged to have worked on the campaign."

.. "Mrs. Roberts -- who is a member of the board of regents and is referred to as ORU's ''first lady'' on the university's Web site -- frequently had cell-phone bills of more than $800 per month, with hundreds of text messages sent between 1 a.m. to 3 a.m. to ''underage males who had been provided phones at university expense.''"

Alleged Haggard Escort: 'Sen. Craig Visited Me'
http://www.kesq.com/global/story.asp?s=7171888

"The male escort responsible for the downfall of Christian evangelist leader Ted Haggard is now alleging that embattled Senator Larry Craig also came to see him."

No more Mr. Nice Guy! Here's one democrat with lots of spine.
In the confrontation with Pluto, the shallow layers are striped back revealing the center. Elizabeth's illness has empowered him to go for broke, Have we looked at his chart?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1984492
John Edwards says Clinton's top advisor represents Blackwater and is like her "Karl Rove"
QOP
Edited on Fri Oct-05-07 09:17 PM by jsamuel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
In a scathing attack, Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards went after front-runner Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., Friday, calling her a "corporate Democrat," comparing top Clinton campaign strategist Mark Penn to former Bush aide Karl Rove and assailing Penn's ties to Blackwater USA, the embattled private firm of military contractors accused by the Iraqi government of firing upon and killing 11 unarmed Iraqi civilians last month.

In addition to his role as a top campaign consultant to the Clinton campaign, Mark Penn is the worldwide president and CEO of Burson-Marsteller. The firm's lobbying subsidiary BKSH helped Blackwater's top executive, Erik Prince, prepare for his congressional testimony this week.
QOP

Anybody know anything about this?

http://www.blackwatercapital.com/index-2.html

I was searching my intuition on how Plto might deal with Blackwater. Scrolling through the posts, someone posted how elements inside the military and an intelligence agency diverted nukes.
On the chessboard blackwater is on both coasts, but, there are armies within armies, given the nuke diversion; so I'm guessing Blackwater will die by the sword.
Dark times these! before the Light!

UHH!?!? Balckwater Capital?? Do you think that we are being had?? but then i read QOP's post and whammm we are being slammed and the depths are being revealed. I have never hated the Clinton's just saw them as ordinary ambitious monsters who would sell out poor women and children so that their daughter could party with the international set but the idea of Hillary getting help from those who help our very own SS move in and take over now that takes my breath. The realization that she could care less about the thousands and thousands of dead Iraqis will never do anything to help the refugees etc.
I work long hours and commute as well so i am not up to speed get back to you tomorrow. Love to all of you and thank you so much for your vigilance.

I am harping on the old theme. If you believe that the problems in Myramar are not organized by the same people than you are naive. Who has the majority rights in oil and gas leases... Chevron. Who wants and needs the oil and gas China.

http://shop.wnd.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=1889
....While many Fed defenders claim it worked valiantly to prevent or minimize the ravages of the Great Depression, in reality the Fed caused the Depression and greatly increased the severity of its effects.

In fact, as July's Whistleblower documents, the Fed's new chairman, Ben Bernanke, admits that the Federal Reserve was responsible for the Great Depression. "We did it," Bernanke said, adding, "We're very sorry."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/staticarticles/article57980.html
PREMEDITATED MERGER'Amero coming within decade'
Strategist expects currency changes as Canadian dollar matches greenback

Pat, Blackwater is the privat army of the Bush industries - SS style -like it. Within the Mafia the legal adviser has grate influence. Who is Blackwater's!?

TO: Poster at 2:23, 10/6/07
If you'll go to the link that Pat C provided, and then click on "Professionals" at the top of the page, you can proceed on to get names and affiliations.

Something to think about...Depleted Uranium
in Hawaii

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com:80/Find-Freedom.htm?At=024723&From=News

Two Knights and a Dragon
The Power of the Israel Lobby
By URI AVNERY

There are books that change people's consciousness and change history. Some tell a story, like Harriet Beech Stowe's 1851 "Uncle Tom's Cabin", which gave a huge impetus to the campaign for the abolition of slavery. Others take the form of a political treatise, like Theodor Herzl's "Der Judenstaat", which gave birth to the Zionist movement. Or they can be scientific in nature, like Charles Darwin's "The Origin of Species", which changed the way humanity sees itself. And perhaps political satire, too, can shake the world, like "1984" by George Orwell.

The impact of these books was amplified by their timing. They appeared exactly at the right time, when a large public was ready to absorb their message.

It may well turn out that the book by the two professors, John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, "The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy", is just such a book.

It is a dry scientific research report, 355 pages long, backed by 106 further pages containing some thousand references to sources.

http://www.counterpunch.com/avnery10042007.html

I did that SHy....I particularly like the name from Nev. Rex Morden. ( King Mordred?)
Will Camelot have a happy ending this time?

How about that Oral Roberts daughter-in -law! In a month, She spends the same amount , calling young men in the wee small hours on her cell phone as I turn over to the Bangor Enron, Verizon,
food etc., etc.,!
Does anyone read Dell Horoscope Mag? I was reading Bill Meridian's Oct. Planets. He is doing a series on the Senators, beginning with Olympia Snowe, the one most affected by the aspects to come.
SHe must have Pisces Sun & Moon , he says T Saturn will be opposing. Also she will have major disagreements with authority/male figures next summer.
I grabbed the 4 page letter I had received from her office in response to my latest Impeachment plea........and read it. She's not for impeachment YET, but favors pulling the troops out by April '08 which puts her to the left of Hillary!
Do you think Pete Dominici's deteriorative brain disease is contageous?
QOP

This is a must read. There are some interesting tidbits in here about Hillary as well. Hint, she’s a corpatist.

http://www.gnn.tv/articles/2193/Today_s_Immigration_Battle_Corporatists_vs_Racists

Today’s Immigration Battle – Corporatists vs. Racists

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/334324_thomas05.html

The Democrats who enable Bush
By HELEN THOMAS

Speaking of corporatists and private corporate armies, there is a great article over at Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com

entitled "Our Cold Civil War" about the battle going on right now between the "Robber Barons" and people like those who post on Astroworld plus other citizens who have a feeling or a clue about what's going on.

I read that this morning Barbara! The writer is a naturalized Russian immigrant. Having lived in the Soviet Union, she is able to stand back and get a very clear view!
QOP

Didn't know that about author being an immigrant, QOP. She certainly has a good command of English.

'Course I knew that stuff about the power of corporations over government--but hadn't thought before about all the media efforts to divide Americans. Don't know why I didn't see sooner that it's just the old "divide and conquer" game.

Didn't know that about author being an immigrant, QOP. She certainly has a good command of English.

'Course I knew that stuff about the power of corporations over government--but hadn't thought before about all the media efforts to divide Americans. Don't know why I didn't see sooner that it's just the old "divide and conquer" game.

Thank You! for the headsup on a very important post I missed somehow. Here is the permanent link for the excellent "Our Cold Civil War" by Larisa Alexandrovna:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larisa-alexandrovna/our-cold-civil-war_b_67383.html

Sorry but I couldn't find it with the generic Home page link and scrolling around 3 pages, finally went to google. (It was posted on the 5th almost three days ago) As a very friendly reminder to save us all time and more importantly to document these links for posterity and late comers:

'Permanent' links or 'Permalink' URL's are found usually in the post Title, and/or sometimes the post Timestamp, if it's not actually marked with the word Permanent or Permalink in part of the post footer. Or the URL in our browser address bar if we have the post pulled up. (hope this helps)

Back on topic, this is a great article and as a synch I had been on the phone with a blog friend discussing the very subject of civil wars before I got here. Her post starts and ends with the MoveOn ad but she nails everything going on in between and all over. A must read...

http://www.nonstopradio.com/

Clear Channel owns 8 or 9 radio stations in San Diego … they are dumping their progressive talk station this coming Friday…just in time for the 2008 election year … they are replacing it with another sports station, even tho we already have 3 other sports radio outlets. Conservative owners of progressive talk radio have dumped the programming … scroll down at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Air_America_Radio_affiliates

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/10/08/presidential_primary/

The presidential primary scam

Why the game is rigged, and why true democracy is only a secondary factor in the nation's rush to nominate the next president.

It's far worse than you think -- worse than hanging chads, faulty Diebold machines, and billionaires who bankroll last-minute attack a-ds. The American system for nominating a presidential candidate has about as much in common with actual democracy as Donald Duck has with a lake mallard. It's not just that this year's primaries have been further frontloaded, or that the early primary states aren't representative of the nation at large. There is only passing fairness. There is only the semblance of order. There is nothing like equal representation under the law.

The whole stinking process was designed by dead men in smoky parlors and refined by faceless bureaucrats in hotel conference rooms. It is a nasty brew born of those caldrons of self-interest known as political parties. At every stage, advantage is parceled out like so much magic potion. "The national interest is not considered in any form," says University of Virginia political scientist Larry Sabato. "Everything is left up to an ad hoc decision. It's chaotic."

More..

As you said, Cap'n Sally, that boil keeps oozing and oozing and oozing.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1997476

Litany of Bushco disasters:
http://www.netrootsmass.net/Hugh/Bush_list.html

All put toge

(Got cut off there)
All put together in a very succinct, accessible format. Do go see.

Good Youtube Blackwater video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXUW5X1MGdI&NR=1

...........

http://cbs2.com/local/local_story_281022720.html

Protesters Decry Proposed Blackwater Training Area

(AP) SAN DIEGO Protesters targeted a training facility for Blackwater USA, the military security contractor that has come under fire for its activities in Iraq.

Organizers say about 300 people gathered Sunday at the 824-acre site in Potrero in southern San Diego County.

Protest organizers say they will organize a December recall vote against the members of the Potrero Planning Group who voted to approve the facility.

More…

Hello everyone,
I've been reading along for awhile, and this article reminded me of something I recently came accross on the internet:

"As the 2008 USA Presidential Election Campaign heats up, one public policy group comes to the forefront: MoveOn.org.

MoveOn.org began as an online protest petition against the impeachment of then-President Bill Clinton in the wake of the Monica Lewinsky Oral Sex Scandal, put forth by a husband and wife computer software team from Berkeley CA. On Sep 18 1998, they sent out the online petition urging the Republican-led Congress to simply censure President Clinton and "Move on to other pressing issues" that they considered facing the country.

Since then, MoveOn.org has formed a number of sub-organizations, in the main a Political Action Commitee, or PAC, and a more community organizing arm. MoveOn.org has grown from the tens of thousands of members in the late 90s to over 3 million as of this year.

According to their website and journalists, pundits and others who have studied the group, MoveOn.org is a strong Left of Center organization that advocates for and funds the Democratic Party and its candidates. Their biggest success has been in the 2006 Midterm Elections, where they were central to getting people like John Tester of Montana and Bob Casey Jr of Pennsylvania elected.

The astrology of MoveOn is most interesting, and striking-the organization was born on a Virgo New Moon, joined by Mercury and Venus also in Virgo. The New Moon part of it aptly reflects the "husband and wife team" of MoveOn, as well as the singularity of purpose among its leadership and, some could argue, the "new beginning" of the American Left, reborn and recast now as "Progressives".

This Virgo focus gives MoveOn tremendous internet and "idea" saavy; being able to get its message out, and using targeted techniques for maximum effectiveness.

We also note that MoveOn carries on astrological signatures from a generation ago; many have suggested that MoveOn is just a reiteration of the Vietnam-era protest/counter culture movement. Astrological history students will know well the Uranus-Pluto conjunction in Virgo, the Saturn-Neptune sqaure in Fixed Signs, and the Saturn-Neptune opposition in Mutuable Signs, all occuring in the 60s and early 70s.

This pattern, or "astrological echo" if you will, is seen in the present-day MoveOn horoscope, in the form of Uranus sextile Pluto, and Saturn square Neptune-key astrological signatures of the Left.

But the astrology of MoveOn also reveals some very strong astrological Achilles' Heels: Jupiter in Pisces, Rx, opposes the Sun and Mercury. This aspect distorts the otherwise sensible focus of Virgo, into making exaggerated claims, and over-estimating its importance to the Democratic Party. Moreover, the square from the Moon to Pluto shows MoveOn to be emotionally bombastic, even extreme and shrill, in its communications.

Setting the mundane chart for a noontime mark at Berkeley CA, we get a Scorpionic Asc at 26 degrees, putting Pluto in the Asc and putting the Virgo Moon on the MC (MC point at 8 Vir 34). The aforementioned bombast and shrill nature of MoveOn becomes all the more apparent. The Neptune "touches" to the Asc, by way of sextile aspect, also feeds into the perception of MoveOn as an ideologically driven partisan group on the Left leaning side of the political spectrum.

But perhaps its most alarming astrological feature, is Mars in Leo Peregrine (Tyl); "getting away w/murder" indeed. This feature, along w/other aspects of the MoveOn.org astro-profile, is brought to life in vivid fashion in last week's full page ad taken out in the New York Times newspaper, where there is a photo of Army General David Petraeus and the caption "General Betray Us?" below it, calling into question the career soldier's integrity and character. The ad sparked off another round of bitter debate both in the Beltway and accross the nation. The GOP demanded that the Dems denounce the ad, most especially the Presidential candidates on the Democratic side; they all refused to do so, especially the frontrunner, Hillary Clinton.

In terms of the astrological timing of this incident, we see that transit Uranus is in opposition to the MoveOn Mercury, exact in Aug, and coming about to oppose this same position again beginning in Mar 08, to remain in force until Jan 09(!). Along the way, of course, is the following: SA Pluto=Neptune Oct 07; SA Uranus=Mars Feb 08; and SA Neptune=Uranus Jul 08. There are other measurements on deck that can apply, but I have selected the "biggest hits" that in my judgement suggests that as the campaign wears on, MoveOn will be urged to engage in more jarring and potentially divisive ad campaigns etc, and the possibility of "turning on" one or more of the frontrunning candidates for President. Afterall, it hasn't been the first time that MoveOn has suggested applying more than just pressure on politicians.

If we compare the astrology of MoveOn.org to that of the Democratic Party, born on May 13 1792 at Philadelphia PA, and using a noontime mark, we note several key synastric ties:

1. MoveOn's Asc opposed the Dems' MC
2. MoveOn's Sun trine Dems' Sun
3. MoveOn's Venus conjunct the Dems' Mars; MoveOn's Saturn conjunct the Dems' Venus (a political marriage)

HOWEVER there are two synastric ties that threaten to send this happy marriage to divorce court-they are:

1. MoveOn's Mercury conjunct the Dems' Mars
2. MoveOn's Mars conjunct the Dems' Uranus

Please keep in mind that in the Democratic Party's chart, Uranus is Peregrine (Tyl)-JUST LIKE THE MOVEON MARS! Peregrine planets, per Noel Tyl's investigation and designation, are bodies that are connected by way of Ptolemaic aspect in the chart. They are live wires, bucking broncos, and experience and observation shows that when said bodies are activated by transits and/or arcs, lookout-the results could be explosive! In this case, both the MoveOn and Dems' Peregrine planets, a volatile mix to begin with, are cojoined...and the Dems will find it harder and harder to reign in and contain its single biggest public advocacy group.

Please note the Mars position in the Dems chart, at 17 Virgo, and keep in mind the key planetary activity at about the same degree area in the MoveOn chart. The transit of Uranus in opposition to the MoveOn Mercury, so crucial as it disposes of the Virgo cluster in that chart, will also opposes the Dems' Mars, which represents any group or organization's ability to promote its cause ("get out the vote"). This suggests that we can expect to see the already in-house bickering between the two factions to come out in full bloom in th already specified time period, and threatens to further fracture the already fragile coalition that comprises the Democratic Party.

It is difficult to continue further w/a projected timeline of astrological events here until more definitive timed data for either or both these charts. But I think it fair to say, given what we do know, is that MoveOn.org and the Democratic Party is about to head into choppy waters in their relationship, as the 08 Campaign wears on.

muminspeaks.blogspot.com"

Perhaps the very thing we need is a knock-down-drag-out and a wall-to-wall fight for our national soul. The Democratic Party as it is now does not represent 70% of the American people. And let the Republicans fight for their soul among themselves too.

muminspeaks.blogspot.com"

Posted by: Michael on October 8, 2007 05:34 PM

Michael, I went to the site you linked and came away with the definite impression that the blogger is an ultra conservative Republican ideologue. He claims progressives are (horror of horrors!) nothing more than Socialists! I read his piece on Sheehan and came away disgusted at the way he trashes and ridicules her using her birth chart.

whatever anyone things of her the very least one must do is acknowledge her pain without using it as an example of how deluded she is. I didn't read any other article as I found the blogger too mean and arrogant.

Does anyone here remember Che Guevara? I didn't know much about him until a few years ago, when I came across a picture of him dead (felled by CIA backed Bolivians),his body laid out on a wooden slab, looking so much like Jesus Christ when he was crucified; so I got curious about him, and started reading up about the part he played in the revolution. Che was a beautiful man. I will see if I can find that photo, and maybe post it here, just to see what you think.

Crystal,
Wikipedia has a great write up on Che Guevara with links to photos. And yupper's I remember the 60's all too well.

Link to Wiki on Che

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara

Re the mumin blog.
The blog owner showed up on AW a while back, spurting gasoline and way too much male (fire) energy = hot air.

Check sources before posting, that will prevent setting up whether to believe (or not) in the *poster* who is posting it.

Interesting, 2nd, disenter from te past popping up on AW.
Mercury not even retrograd yet. What's the message here?
QOP

Morgana, thanks for the Wikipedia link, but I still haven't found that photo that I saw years ago on the net. The CIA must have removed it, because it made Che look like a saint. Haha. Well, maybe I'll stumble upon it one of these days.

Crystal, scroll down just a bit. It will be a very small picture on your left.
http://therealcuba.com/MurderedbyChe.htm

Hang on, folks, I'm just a student astrologer, and trying to keep an open mind here. Whether you agree with Mumin or not, I think there is something to be said for the fact that you don't see too much of his point of view, right? I was just intrigued by Morgana's "Betray Us report" reference, which reminded me of Mumin's MoveOn article, where he mentions the "Gen. Betray Us" ad in the New York Times.

Didn't know he posted here before. I'm not surprised you all didn't get along, he seems like a ver energetic writer and debater.

But, if I may, I would like to consider his writing in comparison to what is presented here. What do you make of his analysis of the MoveOn chart? As far as I know I've not seen anything on it by an astrologer anywhere else (anyone who has, please let me know?).

Thanks.

Lunascoura (please forgive me if I messed your name up),

Yes I read the Sheehan piece as well. I don't get the sense that Mumin is "mean" just very impassioned...and lets be fair, a strong case could be made for many of the feature writers here to be Democratic or Progressive ideologues too, right?

I am very saddened by her loss, but in all fairness, there are military families who do not agree with her...are they deluded? I'm just trying to get at all sides here, especially as they apply astrologically. I find it all fascinating.

I think the right to dissent is most important when those who are dissenting you don't happen to like very much. Otherwise, what's the point of it all? If no one is around to question things, it can lead to the very groupthink that many of us think is wrong withe Bush administration. In that light its my opinion that we should consider other points of view.

I think the Sheehan piece was very well written, although I'm not enough of a pro to give an expert opinion of Mumin's astrological interpretation. But it seems very well organized and presented. Yes, he's definitely partisan, and very much to the Right, although I'm not so sure I would so far as to say that he's an "ultra-conservative". He may be, I'm just not sure of that yet from what I've read.

No matter what his views of Sheehan, the fact of the matter is that she chose to make herself a public figure...so, in a big way, she's now fair game. Just like Bush, and lets be fair, many of you have said some pretty rough things about him. Now, don't go and think I'm defending the man, just trying to come down the middle here LOL.

Luna, one last thing if I may. You said that Mumin was "too male" or words to that effect. Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but I have to say, if we changed the wording around the same comments could be seen as sexist, don't you think?

I'm not trying to give you a hard time, I've been enjoying the all the good astrology articles and comments. But I've always been drawn to at least trying to be evenhanded and openminded about things. I've been lurking here and many other places on the internet, and just trying to learn. I think both Morgana, etc, as well as Mumin, have valid points to make.

Maybe we should try to keep that in mind?

Michael, the extended quote from the article by mumin was interesting. I do hope that moveon continues relentless pursuit to keep the Dems honest and on target to eliminate current and prevent future incursions on our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, our Treasury and our citizens' health and welfare. If so, they will continue being at loggerheads with certain members of the Dem party and I hope they go for it!

BTW that atrticle on SHeehan was from JUNE!
SHe left the Dem party at that time, and got a lot of rather nasty lack on DU for it.
Then she decided to run against Pelosi, and has been writing articles regularly, seen on truthout and Common Dreams, as well as participating in some of Code Pink's activities .
I also thought the astrological piece on Move on vs the Democratic Party was an interesting and valid piece. ( disclaimner; I only skimmed it ) Move on isn't radical enough for the progressive Dems and is too radical for the Centrists, total range witnessed on DU.
QOP

A quick personal question...
I'm getting gum surgery & bone implant (one tooth is involved only) tomorrow. I just noticed Mars is almost conjunct my 6 deg Uranus in Cancer which is conj. my 10 deg Cancer ascendant.

Also, Venus is again opposite my 0 deg Pisces sun. That is usually pleasant (coincidentially, they're giving me anti anxiety med to take tonight + pain killers to take when I arrive at the office tomorrow along with another Diazepan).

I'm just wondering about the Mars conj. Uranus conj. my ascendant.

Anyone see anything here to comment on? The surgeon is supposed to be very good.

Mercury isn't retrograde just yet. Mars is also going to be, maybe that will be my healing time.

Thanks :-)
Sharon

(((Sharon,)))
WHere is your natal saturn? ruler of teeth & bones. T saturn would be in your 3rd house? ( don't drive on those meds!)
I was 28 with T saturn, probably retrograding away from my 10 aries N venus, and applying to a N T saturn conjunction ( return)
16 degress later ( about 4 months)I had the best oral surgeon in Phila, and yes the pain killers. I spent a wonderful loopy week, I photographed the lacy snow in Rittenhouse Square... T Nept. conjunct my Scorpio moon in the 6th.
End of pain suffering & infection!
Your 10 cancer: 9-10 a large diamond in the first stages of cutting,
10-11 or a clown caricaturing well known personalities.
THat would have been my oral surgeon; after filling my mouth ful of stuff he preceeded to tell jokes and I couldn't move my mouth to laugh!
QOP

BTW;
This is bizarre, we are 1 month past the first frost date, ( according to the almanac, & my experience for the past 16 years,)
Still no frost. the tomatoes are living out their full life exectancy without having to be covered or collected green and brought inside.
QOP

Michael,

You sound like Mumin but toned down, there is no debate here about partisian blending. Sally is the leader of this ship and decides who comes and goes and Mumin had to go. And Luna did not write what you are quoting, I did. And I said male "ENERGY"= fire, stop misquoting. Mumin is a RW idealogue plain and simple, coarse and argumentative who also wanted to start debates on exactly what you are saying. Use the archives to look it up. The fact that you defend him is not an good endorsement for you.

Yes. two ghouls from the past arrive to start trouble. Look to see who defends them. Notice that the other defenders came and left pretty much with the first ghoul.

Anyone who can defend the Republicans who have destroyed every single thing they touch, except their own coffers, of course, is unable to understand the difference between right and wrong. There is no debate in whether committing war crimes and rendering the Constitution quaint is right or wrong. There aren't two sides to consider in equal measure on whether millions of children deserve health care. There is only one right action to take. Anything else is wrong. Period.

QOP, according to some scientific predictions I've read and posted here the northern latitudes will be able to produce 20% more food because the weather will become more temperate. Droughts will be more prevalent in the southern parts.

Thanks, Pat. My natal saturn is 0 Libra in the 4th house. The moon will be transiting it while this is going on. I'll let you know later what happened. My oral surgeon is a gentle, serious French woman - not much of a joker.

The Fox visits the henhouse

http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/74188/detail/

Video clip of Vincente Fox on the Daily Show

Poor widdle wepublicans!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-smiley/whos-sorry-now_b_67605.html

Who's Sorry Now?
By Jane Smiley
Posted October 8, 2007

It was a pleasant weekend for those of us who have been against the Iraq War from the beginning. The Washington Post had an article on the bitterness and regrets of those in the Bush administration who concocted and ran the war and have now left. Some of them have nightmares. Nothing like the nightmares of the prisoners of Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo or the Black Sites, but hey, a few nightmares are progress. Maybe they will have more, and then they will have mental breakdowns and they can experience electroshock therapy -- that would be a nice pay-back for them. In the New York Times magazine, there was an article about Kanan Makiya, an exiled Iraqi scholar who was a big cheerleader for the war, and who seems to have given Bush and Cheney a rationale that they could use as a cover for their real motives. At the end of the article, there's an interesting interview with Ali Allawi, who was the Minister of Finance in the Iraqi transitional government in 2005 and into 2006. Allawi was opposed to the war, but went to Iraq to try and put Humpty back together again. He failed. And, of course, there's Blackwater. Whoops. Americans have recently gotten a good look at our very own right wing death squad (paid for by us to the tune of 445,000 per soldier, per year), and we know there are more RWDSs where that one came from. And I loved the headline of David "the Pig" Brooks' op-ed in last week's Times, "The Republican Collapse" -- is there a lovelier phrase? I used to send letters to David Brooks asking when the New York Times was going to fire him. He never responded.

All the same, though, the emerging consensus (another vast rightwing conspiracy to my mind) is that everyone's intentions were good, if not great. Makiya, for example, knew all the horrors that Saddam Hussein had committed against the Iraqis and the Iranians, and just wanted to get him out of there, even if the odds, as he calculated them, against actually establishing a stable government were 20-1. He thought Ahmed Chalabi was going to be the Nelson Mandela of Iraq. And the same for Meghan O' Sullivan, who was about THIRTY when the fates of the Iraqis were put into her hands -- she just wanted to help. As for Karl Rove and that Permanent Republican Majority -- well, he didn't mean to hurt anyone -- really, the one who's been hurt here is Karl himself (also the refrain of Clarence Thomas).

more...

Hang in there, Sharon! It seems I've spent about half my life in dental chairs (nat Venus sq. Saturn, which I guess is the indicator). Right now I'm growing bone from piggy cells in the upper right of my mouth where a tooth used to be in preparation for an implant. Haven't had any grafts, but they've done them enough that surely they've got all that down perfectly. Just follow their directions, do not drive on the meds, and take pretty pictures like QOP did. Let us know how you're doing, please.

http://snipurl.com/1ryp7

John Bowe, author of "Nobodies" gives an interview on the Daily show.

The new book Nobodies: Modern American Slave Labor and the Dark Side of the Global Economy, goes after the U.S. companies that support slave labor.

http://www.ciw-online.org/

Lots at this link

(((((((Sharon)))))))

Hi all,
I think the anon poster was polite in calling the RW rhetoric hot air. I recall the profane fire energy as a one big steaming gaseous toxic pile. Trying to get AW into a de-BAIT.

Speaking about the current male/female energies:

http://www.whatsuponplanetearth.com/latest.htm/

The feminine ENERGY (heart, intuition,
subconcious) ain't playing no more.
Big waves from the Ocean of Conciousness will dowse the flames arising from big piles of toxicity, Glub, glub.

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/174846/robert_lipsyte_the_endless_summer_of_distraction

We Know What You Did Last Summer
Four Sports Scandals That Saved the Bush Presidency and a Fifth That Should End It Now

Bhakti, your link is not working for some reason.

Michael, I also went to the website and read Mumin's (or whatever his name is) piece on Cindy Sheehan and found it incredibly stupid, self-congratulatory and very mean spirited. The insinuations about her supposed "sexual life on the internet" and drugs and drinking are just unbearable and over the top. Instead of delving into how she galvanized the whole country and looking for astrological signatures which explained how she woke everybody up (not AW, we've been awake for years), he makes sly insinuations that she's a slut (hint, hint, now why would anybody want to listen to her, right?). It must be all of those morality challenged lefties who can't keep their panties on or their zippers zipped. How ironic in view of the number of declared repub pedophiles, closet gays and affair stricken congresscritters there have been in the past couple of years. Oh yeah, they are MEN, so it's ok.

How you, or anybody else could find his rant (because it's nothing more than that) an objective picture, astrology or not, is beside me.

Ya'll is in deep doo doo if you think he's great and such a wonderful writer ... maybe you should just join his site and enjoy more of his vituperative writings posing as astrology.

Have a nice day.

Hello, I don't know your name as you don't seem to leave one.....that makes me think of your character, since you question mine. For the recordm, I don't know Mumin, have never talked to him, and only got wind of his writings via a Google search. I am my own man and speak in my own voice.

I defend anyones right to be heard, isn't that what this is all about anyway? Yes, Sally runs things here and gets to decide who is in and who is out. But as I've said before, dissent is only valid if you allow it from those you don't like. If you do it only w/those you're chummy with, you get Bush.

I'm neither a Republican or a Democrat, I make both parties work for my vote. And I vote based on the issue and the person asking for my vote. I've always been that way.

I try very hard to be openminded and evenhanded with things in life, and I was just intrigued that there were astrologers out there with Mumin's viewpoint, which is definitely conservative.

But I do take issue with the rather demonizing tone with which you depict him, only because they very same things can be said of the writers here, yes? Can't we all acknowledge what "team" we're on and take it from there, without trying to tear each other down?

The fact of the matter is that Cindy Sheehan is a polarizing figure, you either love her or hate her, and I think there's plenty of grist for the mill to go around. Lets try to focus on the merits of the astrology and leave our personal views to one side if we're gonna discuss the Sheehan astrology at all, OK? Thanks.