By the way, Karl Rove was not a political genius, he was just a political hack who for whatever reason had the money and cover to push his agenda. We elevate these people in entertainment, sports, government and then we endow them with qualities we think they have that we don't. The fact is we do, we just give those qualities to them, but we elevate them and we can bring them down if we demand it. Karl Rove was a political hack just like Lee Atwater,Mark Hanna (McKinley's "brain")Machiavelli (the "Prince" of centuries past) oh believe me, they were all political hacks that we the people elevated and paid to play games with us. Let's move into a new way of being and thinking of politics, one with a spiritual base and let them scramble to come up to our new standards.

Sally, so sorry your computer crashed...it must have been all your verve and energy....just shut it down!

My friend Louise Heubner wrote a piece on our current planetary stuff going on, and she doesn't see any end in sight to this, using the Third Reich as an example of evil with an end to it...and in 2001 my astrology teacher Stuart Walker said the same thing...what do you think? Louise identified the Aug 11, Aug 28 and Sep 11 formations as critical. She wasn't talking about politics...just in general....on the other hand, the third Reich seems to have continued on only not in the news...until we got what we got in DC...

On a different note, I won a ribbon in the San Mateo county fair art exhibit for a small 9 x 12 landscape (a 3rd place). First time I've ever entered a fair....first time I've actually painted in oils in fact....despite 50 years as an artist. I also did my first book in May...on Hillary Clinton! So lots of new things for me, which suits me fine, as the old stuff really sucked....

I should mention that the posters have been great...a pretty well rounded group of people with input on everything, including financial stuff, which is really cool. Not that I have money to invest, I just mean it is a nice addition to the story. I agree with you also that we need to focus ourselves on what we can do in the world, how we can take our energy out of this truly evil conniving religious/arms dealing nation and focus on what we can do as individuals to create a new reality for ourselves. Lets just wash that man (Rove) men (all the others hacks in political life) right out of our hair.

Sally, where did you get Rove's birth time?

At FireDogLake is a very funny photoshopped pic of Patrick Leahy holding a big box of Texas Toast and looking stern while issuing a statement about the contremps of the Rovester...

Sally,

Do you see Rove with major legal problems? This whole resignation thing doesn't make sense. It's just too sudden. As always, these people are lying and staying just ahead of the next scandal.

"Where did I get Karl Rove's Birthtime" hmmmm. Jane, I can promise that it's accurate and from an official document but I cannot say where or how.

I read somewhere today that Chief of Staff Bolton
told everyone in the White House planning to resign to be out by Sept 3, or stay until the end
of the term in Jan. 09

Cap'n Sally, GREAT article, but an even BETTER DENIAL! It's so interesting to me that he was born in Colo....which reminds me, isn't that where you live, Sally? (nudge nudge wink wink)

I also agree with Abilene, something is UP. This administration does NOTHING, but esp. nothing that is not POLITICALLY MOTIVATED.

Sally, gang, any clues in the timing of this announcement?

What a day!!! Whatever it means (and we'll know sooner or later), at least KKKKarl is out of the WH. And Cap'n Sally has aced 'em all and come up with his birth data. Yay! and lots more kudos. Woot! Woot!

Exit, Karl Rove, Stage Right
by Matthew Rothschild
Karl Rove went out the way he came in.

Arrogant, conniving, thieving-a Mayberry Machiavelli, as one former Bush appointee put it so aptly.

Rove was a dirty trickster from the very beginning, and we should have listened to Molly Ivins and Lou Dubose. They warned us about him a long time ago................................more
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Comments ( a very interesting discussion of e news)
whatever4 August 13th, 2007 2:43 pm
Announcing on a Monday morning, instead of the standard Friday night/weekend dump, has me curious. They don’t usually seek media attention for these types of embarassing stories, so there must be a reason. This one looks hand-carried to the media. Either it’s not embarassing and is in fact something else, or, they didn’t have a choice but to get it done first thing Monday morning.

Either way, the reason is not so simple as him leaving, or they would have hidden the fact as much as possible. Every loss is an embarassment. Everything disclosed to the public is very carefully disclosed to the public, during evenings or weekends by anonymous sources. Bright and early Monday morning is not how they share information, it’s how they manipulate information. So what gives?
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/08/13/3148/
QOP

One astrogator's theory

I think Rove's sudden announcement is related to Gonzogate. I have been following it very very closely. It has a lot of Repugs inflamed as well as Dems, unlike the Libby thing. Some Repugs also blame Karl for the 2006 election loss with portents of 2008 to come. They want Rove out of the power seat because he has usurped their traditional power, becoming the "3rd branch of government" himself. The prez doesn't go to the Repug party for advice and assistance,he goes to his baby-faced Himmler. Also, unlike Plame-gate, there are many many players involved in the scanky goings on over at Just-Us (to paraphrase the late, great Richard Pryor. Different from the whisperings into Novak's ear, there are lots of jr staffers and political neophytes that have been caught up in Gonzogate and they are starting to crack. Monica Goodling as just one pathetic example. Despite the stammerings and stutterings and mendacious repetitions of Gonzo, the roads are starting to lead back to Rove there as well. I think he is departing the sinking ship to hunker down, raise some cash for legal defense, and maybe throw some more people under the bus to deflect attention from himself before Cheny throws him. Or the repugs go for his throat. Or maybe he's in the DC Madame's book in the Jeff Gannon sub-contractor section.... Isn't life grand :)

There wasn't an aspect in Rove's chart that said "today" would be the day, but this decision was made months ago and I don't know when he gave that interview to the WSJ. Rove became less and less a figure in the WH following the 2006 election, however, as I said a year ago, soon after the Inauguration of 2005, around March 2005 this administration began to unravel and eventually everything they think they gained in the first term, they lose in this term.

This entire administration accomplished what they were supposed to accomplish in the US. We are broke, and they provided cover for China, the Middle East, the multi-nationals and the bankers to drain the coffers dry. Our dollar is in the toilet, we have nothing to manufacture and send abroad, we are soon to be a continent without borders and worst of all we have become the prey and the world is the predator. The United States is a resource rich nation in land, minerals, oil, and knowledgeable information etc. We can become the enlightened (put all those years of self-help books to use) and healing nation if we turn toward our own spirituality and strength.

The fight has gone from this administration, they don't care it seems. The power of the first administration is gone or the power we gave them is being pulled back and we are moving toward a new age.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/08/13/china.bridge.ap/index.html

The Fenghuang bridge collapse was among China's worst in recent memory. On June 15, a bridge in south China's Guangdong province collapsed when a cargo vessel loaded with sand rammed into it, killing nine people. That bridge was built in 1988 and spanned the Xijiang River, a major tributary of the Pearl River.

In January 1999 a pedestrian bridge spanning the Qi River in southwestern China's Sichuan province collapsed three years after it was built. Forty people died and another 14 were injured.

Following the accident, a local county deputy party secretary was sentenced to death for accepting a bribe from a childhood friend in exchange for the bridge-building contract.
Maybe the chinese have the right idea, just kill off the evil doo-ors, no seconfd chance!
Hope you're OK Betsy!
QOP

Ya gotta love Virgil! But, really, how surprised are you to learn this?
http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2007/08/wiki_tracker

Getting to the truth of things is hard slogging.

My how things change!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I

Pelosi needs to put impeachment on the table

Bruce Fein

Tuesday, August 14, 2007

President Woodrow Wilson recanted his no-war pledge, President Franklin D. Roosevelt disowned his balanced budget promise and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., should learn from those examples. She should reconsider her "impeachment [of President Bush] is off the table" pledge. As Ralph Waldo Emerson advised, "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines."

The speaker's reluctance is understandable. The president's tenure expires on Jan. 20, 2009. An impeachment inquiry could embolden al Qaeda, the Taliban, Iraq's insurgents and Iran's nuclear-minded mullahs. President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and a majority of Republicans in Congress would attempt to portray the exercise as naked partisanship. Their enthusiasm for impeaching President Bill Clinton over lying under oath about Monica Lewinsky would be no deterrent.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/08/14/ED69RHPFT.DTL&type=printable

NYTimes Editorial

Mr. Rove Gets Out of Town

Karl Rove, the architect of so much that has gone so wrong with the Bush administration, announced yesterday that he is leaving the White House to spend more time with his family. What he didn’t say is that by getting out of town he is also hoping to avoid spending any time at all with Congressional investigators.

Congress should not oblige.

The American public needs to understand the full story of how this White House — with Mr. Rove pulling many of the strings — has spent the last six and a half years improperly and dangerously politicizing the federal government. Mr. Rove is already defying one Congressional subpoena to testify about the United States attorneys scandal. He should be made to respond to that one, and should also be subpoenaed to explain his role in several other cases of crass politicization.

President Bush took a risk when he put someone so focused on politics as blood sport at the center of his White House. Once he did, he had an obligation to ensure that Mr. Rove understood that his job was to promote the interests of the American people — not solely the Republican Party. Instead, Mr. Rove used his position and power to relentlessly pursue his declared goal of a permanent Republican majority.

Mr. Rove appears to have been deeply involved in the decision to fire nine top federal prosecutors, apparently for either bringing cases that hurt Republicans or refusing to bring cases to punish Democrats. There is also mounting evidence that he turned nonpartisan agencies into campaign boosters, quite possibly violating federal law. Earlier this month, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales admitted that Justice Department officials attended political briefings at the White House, some led by Mr. Rove. Officials at the General Services Administration and Peace Corps, and even six American ambassadors, among others, were also given briefings.

Mr. Rove has stonewalled Congress’s legitimate efforts to investigate. Some of his key e-mail messages on the United States attorneys matter appear to have mysteriously disappeared, while others are being withheld with baseless claims of executive privilege. As for defying that Senate subpoena, some subjects might have been protected by privilege, but Mr. Rove’s refusal to show up at all is outrageous — although totally in keeping with his and his boss’s disdain for the separation of powers.

Mr. Rove failed his own party, as well as the American people, when he counseled President Bush to turn every serious policy debate — Social Security, the war in Iraq, even terrorism — into one more political dogfight. Today, despite Mr. Rove’s claims of invincibility, both houses of Congress are back in Democratic hands, Mr. Bush’s approval ratings are around 30 percent and many Republican presidential candidates are running as fast as they can away from the Bush legacy.

Mr. Rove can now contemplate that legacy from his home in Texas. But he should not get too settled in. Congress needs to use all its power to bring Mr. Rove back to Washington to testify — in public and under oath — about how he used his office to put politics above the interests of the American people.

"The Democratic Leadership Council's agenda is indistinguishable from the Republican Neoconservative agenda," he went on. "They want to continue to stay in Iraq. They reject the idea of a not-for-profit health care system. ... These analysts are ... trying to keep a politics that really helps support a privileged few at the expense of the many. So I'm the candidate of the people."

Dennis Kuchinich to George Stephanopolous...see RawStory news site...

GO DENNIS!!! ....

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Senior_US_official_likens_challenges_facing_0814.htmlThe US comptroller general David Walker issued a report last week in Chicago in which he likened the present situation in the United States to the Roman Republic or an organization that fails to adapt and "may not survive."

Nobody reported it. The first report of the speech came today in London's Financial Times.

Walker, who heads the Congressional, nonpartisan Government Accountability Office has offered dire forecasts for the United States in the past. In interviews with 60 Minutes and NPR, he's said that he believes the US cannot continue to live at such levels of prosperity indefinitely, since much of current prosperity is erected upon debt.
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Yes, my 'prosperity IS debt'....

Go Liz!
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/08/elizabeth-edwar.html
The article is titled
Elizabeth Edwards unplugged! Her candid opinion of the other top tier candidates platforms!
( Interesting .............staring death in the face, has a freeing effect!
And this is transformational for John as well. If he was a little superficial before, or concerned for the false nicities, dictated by being upwardly mobile, he is not now nor ever will be!)
QOP

From OPED News

August 13, 2007

Cheney helped force Rove out

By Jackson Thoreau

Dick Cheney helped force George W. Bush to finally agree to dump top aide Karl Rove, sources say.
Cheney and Rove have engaged in a mostly behind-the-scenes feud since the indictment of Cheney's top aide, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, in 2005. Rove was included as "Official A" in the indictment who also leaked information to key media members to try to discredit Iraqi war critic Joseph Wilson.
Rove did not get indicted after giving depositions five times in the investigation and changing some of his statements.
Cheney, who reportedly masterminded the vendetta campaign against Wilson himself, thought that Rove blamed the scandal on Libby, who he considered a scapegoat. Rove and Cheney have been at each other's throats since.
Cheney's lobbying efforts to convince Bush to dump Rove were aided by Rove's dismal efforts in the 2006 elections and role in ensuing scandals involving the political firings of attorneys general and the improper use by White House aides of Republican National Committee email accounts. Even Bush knew Rove had become too big of a liability.
Rove's lies that he is resigning to spend more time with his family, including a second wife and son in college who won't be around anyway, are laughable, to say the least.
Perhaps Rove wants to spend more time with his gay stepfather, the one who left Rove and his suicidal mother during Christmas time one year, to talk about "family values."

Authors Website:

Authors Bio: Jackson Thoreau is a Washington, D.C.-area journalist/writer. His latest book, "Born to Cheat: How Bush, Cheney, Rove & Co. Broke the Rules, From the Sandlot to the White House," debuted at the Take Back America conference in June 2007. More info on the book is at

QOP, according to this, Susan Collins' mask has come off--and what a sight to behold!
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/14/142036/785

Oh boy!
It's OK for the government to track me, but don't touch a Republican, sacred ground. Sen Collins DID vote FOR the recent bill: freedom for Bush to spy on all of us!
The comments below the Bangor Daily News article are depressing...none of them get it!
I do have a little book written by Jean Hay Bright, ( the organic farmer, bright as her name, all the right value system, who ran for Snowe's Senate seat in 2006. The book is called "A Tale of Dirty Tricks So Bizarre!" It is about Collins first Senatorial campaign!
Jeans husband worked at the Bangor Daily news so he had a close up look at the tricky tactics, that enabled that campaign!

I also bartended for the caterer that did Tom Allen's sisters wedding reception, at their summer home. They are a really nice, open, honest, down to earth, family!
Here's that article.
http://www.bangordailynews.com/news/t/news.aspx?articleid=153101&zoneid=500
Collins to Allen: Call off tracker
QOP

Of course inBangor we had that Repug scum that was indited for jamming Dem telephone lines in 2002!
QOP
& then there is the Pepug scandal, theft of evidenciary weapons from the Machias courthouse. My friend who is handling the historic children's book, was fired from her BDN reporting job for writing that up!
The cancer is in every corner of the country!
Thank Goddess for people like Rob Shetterly who wrote AMericans who tell the truth!
http://www.americanswhotellthetruth.org/index.php

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/08/14/jon-stewart-explains-why-_n_60413.html
The Departed

John Oliver reports on how the Disney-esque bluebirds of Washington will miss Karl Rove.

From Comedy Central
Need a good laugh?
QOP

By Michael Shelby
Good Riddance To Bad Rubbish

The resignation of "Bush's Brain" Karl Rove is not a cause for celebration. Karl Rove is a devotee of Machiavelli and never makes a move without thinking it through. I'm not letting down my guard down against this evil, manipulative, nasty little man for a second. If we are ever to be free of these reprehensible Republicans we must be as vigilant in watching for their assaults as we are when guarding against terrorism.

By Richard Mathis

Turd Blossom Rove Poops Out: Bush's Chronic Cognitive Dissonance Continues Constipating
Who will shield Bush now that his chief strategist and enabler Karl Rove is sashaying off into the sunset?

www.OPEDNews.com

Link for above...

http://www.opednews.com/flyer/news_20070814_1.html

Hello Sally,

it's been a long time I posted here, as things around me and family got quite.... overwhelming, but I have been reading the last two articles, so great an dwonderful as usual.

Just posting to let you know that this Sept. 11 might be an interesting one as this link shows...
http://www.strike911.org/

I like the color orange....

Best to everyone here,

:)
flo c.

Doing okay, QOP. Staying out from under overpasses.

He is on his way to overthrow PARAGUAY!!!

Welcome back Flo and I am so sorry your family situation has been so tough, I think most all of us know how hard that can be, you have our empathy. Take care of yourself.

PatQOP that article in the Maine newspaper is discouraging. Does Allen have any encouraging endorsements?

By the way, a friend of mine in DC said the gossip is Karl Rove is planning on running for President (no lie) maybe in Karl's world he will win. I can see him now shadowing the next president of the US, never realizing he isn't the president. What on earth would possess him, if he is thinking such a thing, to believe anyone in the country, past the "good people praying" for him would vote for Karl Rove.

DOING MY BIT HERE SALLY
ABOUT TO GO HAVE BREAKFAST WTH MIKE MICHAUD. I will ask about the Allen campaign! They are on the same wavelength and have worked well together so far!
QOP

Sally, grand delusion and illusion of importance!!

The grip of the US Police State gets tighter

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118714764716998275.html?mod=hpp_us_editors_picks

U.S. to Expand
Domestic Use
Of Spy Satellites
By ROBERT BLOCK
August 15, 2007

The U.S.'s top intelligence official has greatly expanded the range of federal and local authorities who can get access to information from the nation's vast network of spy satellites in the U.S.

The decision, made three months ago by Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell, places for the first time some of the U.S.'s most powerful intelligence-gathering tools at the disposal of domestic security officials. The move was authorized in a May 25 memo sent to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff asking his department to facilitate access to the spy network on behalf of civilian agencies and law enforcement.

Until now, only a handful of federal civilian agencies, such as the National Aeronautics and Space Administration and the U.S. Geological Survey, have had access to the most basic spy-satellite imagery, and only for the purpose of scientific and environmental study.

According to officials, one of the department's first objectives will be to use the network to enhance border security, determine how best to secure critical infrastructure and help emergency responders after natural disasters. Sometime next year, officials will examine how the satellites can aid federal and local law-enforcement agencies, covering both criminal and civil law. The department is still working on determining how it will engage law enforcement officials and what kind of support it will give them.

Access to the high-tech surveillance tools would, for the first time, allow Homeland Security and law-enforcement officials to see real-time, high-resolution images and data, which would allow them, for example, to identify smuggler staging areas, a gang safehouse, or possibly even a building being used by would-be terrorists to manufacture chemical weapons.

more...

OH! OH! here we go again...

Netanyahu Wins Likud Race, Eyes PM Role

LAURIE COPANS | August 14, 2007 11:15 PM EST |

JERUSALEM — Benjamin Netanyahu easily defeated a radical Jewish settler in the race to lead Israel's hardline Likud Party on Tuesday, boosting his ambitions to reclaim the country's premiership.

While Netanyahu's victory had been all but assured, a strong showing by challenger Moshe Feiglin could have shored up Israel's extreme right and hurt Netanyahu's efforts to rehabilitate Likud after it was trounced in national elections last year. Recent polls have crowned Netanyahu, Likud's leader since late 2005, as the front-runner for Israel's top job.

Netanyahu captured 73 percent of the vote to Feiglin's 23 percent, according to final results party officials released early Wednesday. World Likud Party Chairman Danny Danon trailed with 3.5 percent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070814/israel-politics/

Decline and Fall

U.S. comptroller general: America is Rome

by Justin Raimondo

Is America going the way of Rome? David Walker, the comptroller general of the U.S., has issued a report that basically answers in the affirmative: "The U.S. government is on a 'burning platform' of unsustainable policies and practices," Walker avers, including "fiscal deficits" and "overseas military commitments threatening a crisis if action is not taken soon." If we continue on our present course, Walker warns, we are in for "dramatic" tax hikes, a radical reduction in government "services," and "the large-scale dumping by foreign governments of holdings of U.S. debt." The Chinese certainly concur with that last prediction.

"Sound familiar?" asks Walker. It ought to, he contends, because we are going down the path the ancient Romans took. There are, he says, "striking similarities," including "declining moral values and political civility at home, an overconfident and overextended military in foreign lands, and fiscal irresponsibility by the central government."

"In my view," says Walker, "it's time to learn from history and take steps to ensure the American Republic is the first to stand the test of time."

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=11448

http://www.slate.com/id/2172219/

Secret Insecurity
Self-serving hush-ups, in Canada and the United States.

By Bruce Fein
Posted Tuesday, Aug. 14, 2007, at 3:01 PM ET

To borrow from Mark Twain, there are three types of lies: lies, damned lies, and national security claims.

Take the case of suspected terrorist Maher Arar, a Syrian-born Canadian citizen detained by the United States in 2002 while changing planes at Kennedy International Airport. Last week, a Canadian court ordered the release of previously classified information about Arar's case, which turned into a debacle when he was shipped to Syria, where he was tortured and imprisoned for nearly one year. In the end, the suspicion that Arar was a terrorist proved ill-founded, and in January the Canadian government coupled its apology for the injustice he'd suffered with $10.9 million in compensation and payment of legal fees.

http://www.slate.com/id/2172219/

Secret Insecurity
Self-serving hush-ups, in Canada and the United States.

By Bruce Fein
Posted Tuesday, Aug. 14, 2007, at 3:01 PM ET

To borrow from Mark Twain, there are three types of lies: lies, damned lies, and national security claims.

Take the case of suspected terrorist Maher Arar, a Syrian-born Canadian citizen detained by the United States in 2002 while changing planes at Kennedy International Airport. Last week, a Canadian court ordered the release of previously classified information about Arar's case, which turned into a debacle when he was shipped to Syria, where he was tortured and imprisoned for nearly one year. In the end, the suspicion that Arar was a terrorist proved ill-founded, and in January the Canadian government coupled its apology for the injustice he'd suffered with $10.9 million in compensation and payment of legal fees.

What to Do With Cheney?

The politics of impeachment
by Jon Basil Utley

Bush and Cheney have little to lose from spreading the war, but the Republican Party has very much to lose. Its only way out is to impeach Cheney. That would bring Bush back to reality and alleviate the main pressure upon him to expand the wars.

A new war, $5/gal. gasoline (as analyst Jim Cramer has warned), and a possible crash of globalization as Korea, Japan, China, and Europe reel from oil shortages would be the ruin of the Republican Party for a generation. "Republicans are watching their private poll numbers plunge," says Larry Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia. Already senators up for reelection are becoming desperate. The poll landscape shows "Republicans who ought to be completely secure are maybe in the upper 40s, low 50s, and weaker ones being blown away in landslides." And this was even before the latest battle on immigration, which "may well have cost it the Hispanic vote for a generation." (The Economist, Aug. 11, 2007.)

http://www.antiwar.com/utley/?articleid=11440

From the alternative universe here in Maine!
8 of us had a very friendly civil, thoughtful, breakfast with the COngressman: ( he paid the tab!) One Congressman is using his funds for the "Common good"
We were a female farmer, artist librarian, antigues dealer ( & town Dem chair) and several retirees.
The SS is safe, not in trouble, can't be increased for 2 years tho,
will not be privatized by Bush! ( I guess based on a large & firm enough support by a large majority of legislators)
There is a co-alition of 4 Governors, ME, MA, NH, & VT, to improve the income, work, business, of the states, ( non polluting, green companies, ) modeled after the Appalachian
initiative in the 60's. And business IS improving here in Wash. Co, 4th poorest in the country. ( I still get the feeling that succession is a given option, discussed among THEM, if things get too bad!)
I hadn't thought about it but Mike goes to George Mitchell, for advice & discussion. He's a good source of wisdom!
I sat next to his staff person, a middle aged woman artist & gardener, & we will e-mail. I also turned over my huge folder of printed out articles about impeachment by David Swanson, Bruce FIne, as well as the fully printed H R &( H Res 333's, Kucinich's impeach CHeney bill. The group decided the similarity in numbers was just bad luck, not intended. He favors impeachment of Gonzolas first! But also the other 2, just waiting for the right tactical time!
The only topic we didn't discuss was energy! And there are several wind farms about to manifest in the state, and a meeting about hydro power.
There was much needed discussion about how to build a better Democratic machine up here in the county! And Broadband is the big topic, as it would enable business to happen much more effectively.
Democracy is very much alive up in this part of the country. Only 19% of the people in town are dems, but repugs vote for Mike because he is a good guy and does a good job!
I'm going to guess that the same holds true for Allen in his 1st district, and the Collins ploys are Repug machine driven and aren't going to fly here in the state. I think he will win the Senate seat!
SO I came away with a feeling that the internet is more intense than it needs to be....and particularly over at DU they need to rein in a little bit, trust Conyers, and even Palosi,
ANd not one of the 10 at the breakfast table trusts Rove's leaving for even a minute!
Reporting.
QOP

QOP, Here's something happening in your neck of the woods. You can click on the map to enlarge it.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0815/p06s02-woam.html

On US border, a surge in tidal-power projects
More than a dozen developers are preparing prototypes to be tested in the Bay of Fundy, said to have the world's highest tides and North America's best tidal-power spots.

By Colin Woodard | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor
from the August 15, 2007 edition
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Deer Island, New Brunswick - Tides are a fact of life on the Bay of Fundy, and here more than most places. Strong enough to carry a small sailboat backward, they flow around this island in reversible rivers. Currents smash together in a violent chop or conspire to create whirlpools – including the hemisphere's largest.

People have long dreamed of harnessing these tides, including Franklin D. Roosevelt, who wanted to build dams from Deer Island to the Maine and New Brunswick mainland as part of an aborted Depression-era energy scheme. Until recently, the environmental and monetary costs of tidal dams nixed most efforts.

more...

And they continue to kick Congress to the curb as they (Mexico, Canada and the US) form a supergoverment that will ignore our Constitution. The NAFTA Superhighway.

http://www.pbs.org/weta/washingtonweek/voices/200608/0809edit0.htm

[snip]
President George W. Bush, President Vicente Fox of Mexico, and former Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin agreed in March 2005 to create this union by executive regulations and agreements rather than by treaty to bypass Congress. Twenty working groups were formed and are well on their way to establishing a super-government for North America that will not be bound by our Constitution.The web site for this new bureaucracy-located at www.spp.gov-provides a look at their plans and accomplishments thus far.The plan is to have this arrangement implemented by 2010.

Behind its innocuous title, the "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America," the United States will surrender its Constitution.According to Jerome R. Corsi, an author and political commentator, our nation-state prerogatives would be superseded by the authority of a North American court and parliamentary body and our dollar would become the "Amero."

One of the most visible steps already under way is the plan for a N.A.F.T.A. superhighway. 1,200 feet wide, stretching from Lazaro Cardenas on the west coast of Mexico, entering the United States at Laredo, Texas, and continuing straight north to Winnipeg, Canada, with another route to Kansas City thence north easterly to Detroit and Montreal.

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Boycott movement targets Israel

George Bisharat

Wednesday, August 15, 2007

When does a citizen-led boycott of a state become morally justified?

That question is raised by an expanding academic, cultural and economic boycott of Israel. The movement joins churches, unions, professional societies and other groups based in the United States, Canada, Europe and South Africa. It has elicited dramatic reactions from Israel's supporters. U.S. labor leaders have condemned British unions, representing millions of workers, for supporting the Israel boycott. American academics have been frantically gathering signatures against the boycott, and have mounted a prominent advertising campaign in American newspapers - unwittingly elevating the controversy further in the public eye.

Israel's defenders have protested that Israel is not the worst human-rights offender in the world, and singling it out is hypocrisy, or even anti-Semitism. Rhetorically, this shifts focus from Israel's human rights record to the imagined motives of its critics.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/08/15/EDASRIF3U.DTL&type=printable

There's something I just don't get. Why are they creating a NAFTA Superhighway where trucks can drive straight through three countries without border hassles, but Americans have to have a passport to get back in to the US?

Really, does this make sense on some level I too stupid to comprehend?

Lunoscura

Five (5) days to the signing of the papers to
create CanMexUS or MexCanUS maybe even USMexCan.

They meet outside of Ottawa next Monday and no
one seems to be informed or give a damn. There
should be rioting in the streets. But nary a word
on Television or in the MSM.

Why build a fence on the border? Why the need for
passports? We're going to be ONE big happy country
from Guatamala to the North Pole.

Here comes Santa Claus!

Indiana put the kabosh on the Highway transitting
that state, so it will probably cross Kentucky and
go up through Ohio. US 35 has just been upgraded
through Columbus. However they will have to put
a new bridge or tunnel from Detroit to Windsor.
The Ambassador Bridge is privately owned and trying to get on it is an exercise in patience and
fortitude.

Thanks lunoscura, I wouldn't have thought to look in the CSMoniter.
That must be the energy meeting I saw written up recently.
( It was only the scheduled time & place)
Now the question? WHo profits? Is it just another way to extract money from us? I have heard that thereis a neocon lodge on Deer Isle!
It does seem pretty dumb! I just called about a passport this afternoon. It will take 2 -3 months and I WILL need it in Jan.08.!
I wish I had known about these items, this morning to ask. Can't access them now they are still touring up through the 2nd district meeting with constituants for te rest of the week.
QOP

With a mile wide Superhighway running North/South in a straight line (mostly) do you suppose the terrorists will be able to find it so they can bomb whole convoys of trucks and lay explosives along the length? Oh, and you suppose the terrorists will do their suicide thing at truck stops along the way, blowing up hundreds of trucks at once? They won't have to learn to fly jets now. All they have to do is drive trucks into ports.

Naw! I don't know what I'm so worried about. Of course they won't!

(sarcasm off)

7.5 earthquake just hit Lima Peru. Tisimi (sp) warnings throughout Pacific.

Interesting, wv. I don't think US 35 makes much sense, though if this is going to be from north to south. US 35 is more or less of an east-west route. I-75 through Cincinnati, Dayton and Toledo does make sense if they are going to run anything up through Tennesee and Kentucky into Michigan.

Not that this whole NAFTA/CANAMEX/SPPONA plan is really workable. It's all just more endgame capitalism dreams by the delusional and shortsighted that are about to come crashing down in the face of reality. You can't transport all these "goods" by highway when you don't have or can't afford the fuel to do it. Besides, who do they think is even going to be able to keep buying all of this crap? Americans are broke!

They'll probably try it anyway. Pluto in Capricorn government restructuring. We may in the end have some sort of a North American union, but I don't think it will turn out at all like the neoconservatives have hoped and planned.

To quote NeoB:
"...but I don't think it will turn out at all like the neoconservatives have hoped and planned."

As far as I know, nothing has turned out as they had hoped and planned. Many lives have been wasted, cruelly so, in the pursuit of their delusions. And I guess that's what's got me angriest of all: that even one life has been sacrificed, no doubt in agony, in pursuit of these monstrous dreams.

Re: wv's post
Decline and Fall - U.S. comptroller general: America is Rome

I came across this passage from a new book by
Freeman Dyson English-born American theoretical physicist and mathematician, famous for his work in quantum mechanics

"To conclude this piece I come to my third and last heresy. My third heresy says that the United States has less than a century left of its turn as top nation. Since the modern nation-state was invented around the year 1500, a succession of countries have taken turns at being top nation, first Spain, then France, Britain, America. Each turn lasted about 150 years. Ours began in 1920, so it should end about 2070. The reason why each top nation’s turn comes to an end is that the top nation becomes over-extended, militarily, economically and politically. Greater and greater efforts are required to maintain the number one position. Finally the over-extension becomes so extreme that the structure collapses. Already we can see in the American posture today some clear symptoms of over-extension. Who will be the next top nation? China is the obvious candidate. After that it might be India or Brazil. We should be asking ourselves, not how to live in an America-dominated world, but how to prepare for a world that is not America-dominated. That may be the most important problem for the next generation of Americans to solve. How does a people that thinks of itself as number one yield gracefully to become number two?"

Well at least the good news is the USA will be number two and not extinct like the Roman Republic:-)

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_dana_gab_070814_defeating_the_north_.htm

Defeating The North American Union Monster

We live in a world where corporate interests and rights come before our own. The push for amnesty, open borders, and more government managed trade agreements are all part of globalization. Although this agenda is very unpopular and it appears that it has stalled, don't think for a second that the global elite won't still try and carry forward with it. Our sovereignty is being abolished in the name of globalization, and it will effect everyone, most in a negative way. The plan to integrate the U.S., Canada, and Mexico into a North American Union continues without any oversight or mandate from the people. As we double our efforts to expose this destructive agenda, so do those you wish to keep this under wraps and dismiss it as some crazy conspiracy theory. Many who claim it doesn't exist in the same breath say that if there were such a plan it would be beneficial to one and all. If the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) of North America is such a good idea, why is it marred in secrecy? There is a concerted effort to stifle any debate or opposition that might further expose this process. Our leaders tell us to trust them, and that we have nothing to worry about even though they haven't been upfront with us. It's only for our own good, they claim. Even with the lack of transparency, knowledge, and general understanding on the part of many average citizens, there is a real sense of optimism that destructive agendas like the NAU monster can be defeated.

The NAU will define us as individuals, as a nation, and as a continent. It is up to all of us to get the word out. Many times in my articles I feel like I am preaching to the choir when it is those oblivious to the NAU that we must connect with. We all need to make a conscience effort to reach out to our family, friends, co-workers and others we meet in our everyday lives. Instead of talking about sports, the weather or Paris Hilton, we must draw attention to real issues such as the NAU that will affect our lives and those of the generations to come. The defeatist attitude that so many have is tiresome. They pose the question, “what can I do, I am only one person.” It is precisely because of the actions of so many individuals that we have been so successful in the first place. We must believe that we can defeat the NAU if we are to achieve final victory.

Those who believe that a NAU is being created are called tinfoil hat-wearing conspiracy nuts and are often ridiculed in articles, in comment sections, and on message boards. Those trying to counter our claims are quick with name-calling but are short on facts. Many attempts at debunking the NAU are almost laughable if the reality wasn't that they were deceiving the dumbed down public. One such article referred to the members of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) as eggheads, and the reports they publish as wonky papers only to be tossed aside and forgotten about. The author of this particular article is either very naive and misinformed, or is attempting to downplay the CFR's true influence....

More....

Stan, over 30 years ago I was at the Library looking at some copies of ancient manuscripts and a paper fell out of a book. On that paper was a listing written by Ptolemy. The listing identified the dates of the ages and who would rule and for how long. I made a copy but it somehow got lost in my many moves. Anyway the list was by continents not by countries and it had Europe as one long rulership with the "new world" as part of that rulership and the rulerships of different countries came under sub-catagories, but approached as the Western, Southern, Asian, middle east, etc. Anyway beginning in 2070 or 80 this paper named the Asian continent as being the power in the world, with China as the first power up the scale, but they would have to fight for that power. Mostly the article was the listing of the continents and countries without a lot of explanation. It didn't explain who they would "fight" or over what. So Freeman Dyson's theory is of great interest to me.

Pat C, right! We don't want Canada, US, Mexico as one big corporate "squeeze all the profit you can out of it" resource where national laws are preempted by the fat cats' bottom line.

But....we do want neighborly friendship and cooperation at the citizen level.

Astroworlders, you are going to love this:

Texans to Bush, "Get Off Our Lawn"

http://www.firedoglake.com

Yoo-hoo! Don't miss this. You might be surprised about which candidate you are in most agreement in terms of the issues:
http://dehp.net/candidate/

(Man, that is one pretzel-patterned sentence I just wrote.)

Shy that was pretty good. I'm in harmony with Kucinich and Gravel. I'm in the waiting for Goredot.

No surprise for me, Shy, mine was Kucinich. I like him, but the "traditional media" is intent on portraying him as "kooky".

Kucinich and Gravel for me.

Has anyone else been feeling off lately. I have been having some very odd dreams lately and I normally do not dream or remember them. One of which I walked into a military meeting between the US and India which was about attacking Pakistan once the war started. It has raised some serious concerns.

Also, some of my energy worker friends and I have been feeling like we are on fire sometimes. We are all having the same symptoms and we all seem to be having them about the same time. It's weird. Has anybody else been experiencing this?
I have also been experiencing dizziness and vertigo sometimes and that has got me a little bit concerned. Are there some planetary alignments that could cause this? I am beginning to think that I have tapped into some serious energies. Is there anything I should look for in my chart that may reveal what I am going through. I don't feel ill or anything, just odd.

I did meet a blind healer/shaman from Costa Rica a few weeks ago that said I would be meeting my spiritual teacher soon and that things would get strange for a while, but too many others I know are having the same symptoms...

Ms. Morgana, Garry and Cybear--am I in good company or what?

Cybear, at the moment I'm being beaten up by that nasty Saturn-Venus stuff that's going on, activating some nastier stuff in my natal chart. It is ebbing now and, hopefully, by mid-September I'll be more aware of what's going on around me. I do find it fascinating that you are having such experiences and hope you will continue to let us know about them.

Shy...Birds of a feather flock together!

There have been some other things, but I am not sure about posting them for who knows who could be lurking around these days.

Has anyone heard from JoannaO? Did the men in black cart her away???

http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?print=yes&id=14965

http://www.eagleforum.org/topics/NAU/

Even more from Google...

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS211US211&q=North+American+Union

Oh I was flagged by security????????????
Didn't realy have anything to say anyhow!
There does seem to be a LOT of chaos just kind of swirling around destroying my best intentions!
qop

Lou Dobbs on NAU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T74VA3xU0EA

WV,There are illegals here at work that are making more than twice what I make. Makes me furious! Room service attendants with green cards making 85k a year! Disgusting! And if I say anything I'm a racist. What BS! Oh, and some of them have mansions in Mexico....3500 square foot luxury homes...

NAU, yep big problem. I have seen and heard a lot of things in some meetings here. It would make your head spin. Big Oil...all about globalization...Big pharma...All about globalization....All about profit. You should see how some of these ceo's act. They think they are royalty. I actually had a women with a pharmacuetical company clap her hands and point to something in the room that see didn't like and wanted removed. She could not ask nicely? I looked at her like who the hell do you think you are, I am not your slave or your servant.

The foreigners are making more than americans and the americans are slowly falling into poverty and losing everything.

I sometimes cry for our country, our world and all of the good people that populate this planet. We are being crapped on by the powers that be.

My heart aches for those who suffer....

I cannot wait to get out of school and get as far away from these people as I can. The stench has become unbearable.

You should all listen to this radio interview, please!

Economic Expert: We Are Already In An Engineered Recession
50% chance there is going to be a 1929 style economic depression as pretext for regionalization, globalist interests. Alex Jones was joined on air yesterday by investigative journalist, economic expert and Harvard Doctor of Political Science Jerome Corsi for an in depth discussion on the state of the economy and the engineered decline towards regionalization and a globalized monetary system.

Corsi warned that the crisis in the stock market we are currently witnessing is simply the tip of the iceberg and part of an overall meltdown that represents a gutting of the United States by neo-mercantilist institutions bent on the formation of a new global monopoly.....

http://infowars.net/articles/august2007/150807Corsi.htm

Jerome Corsi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Corsi

http://www.halturnershow.com/

PROOF: OUR LEADERS ARE BETRAYING US ALL! BEHOLD, THE "AMERO"
FOR MONTHS WE'VE ALL HEARD STORIES ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE UNITED STATES, CANADA AND MEXICO WOULD BE "MERGED" INTO A NEW SOVEREIGN ENTITY CALLED THE "NORTH AMERICAN UNION" . . . . .
GOVERNMENTS DENIED IT PUBLICLY AND OTHERS CALLED US "CONSPIRACY NUTS."

WE FINALLY HAVE PROOF: THEY ARE COINING MONEY IN THE NAME OF THIS NEW ENTITY!!!!

"The Hal Turner Show" has received images of the new unit of currency they are planning. It is called "the Amero" which will replace the "Dollar" and the "peso" in all three countries once they are merged out of existence!

Naomi Klien addresses the American Sociological Ass. in NYC addressing "Is Another World Possible?"

http://
www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/15/1432250

Cybear, I haven't felt "right" for awhile now.
My nerves are shot, I can hardly sleep, and my digestive system is on a roller coaster. This has only been going on for about a year of so, but still it's been unsettling. I think sensitives in generel have been feeling the energy shift moreso than others. (But of course, it could just be "middle age" creeping in, as I'm 44.6 right now
:)

PS, My candidates were Kucinich and also Gravel, just like Cybear, Shy, and Ms. Morgana.

BTW all here is more from Linda Arrigo.

This is VERY graphic in spots but it goes a long way to expose some of the depths of depravity at work now in the W. "administration".

Please read and realize what we are dealing with.

As a further precaution, ladies, please note there is extensive usage of the "c" word, esp. by Messrs. Rumsfeld and Cheney.

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=2&contentid=4636

Well..........Kucinich & I agree on every item but No child left Behind.
I suppose hats because I checked do not support- key. out of cynicism for what it IS not what it could & should be! SO that makes Dennis more visionary & committed to the possibility of change.
No disagreements with me & Gravel; no suprise we are both Taurus Scorpio moon!
BUT HUNTER was at the very bottom of my list! -108 to Dennis' + 109!
That was fun!
QOP

BINGO!
Cybear, this link is for you. Admitttedly, the forum at the link below can be WAY off the deep end, but please note this thread about "earth sensitivity" and its symptoms:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?messageid=424979&mpage=1&showdate=8/16/07&forum=1

Garry Todd - when I click that link I only get a ghastly photo of Rumsfeld. Is there another link there I should go to?

Cybear - I've been feeling weird for a few weeks but I was chalking it up to just my own shifting. Guess lots of folks are doing that these days. I did put a large cluster of smokey quartz beside my bed and the dreams since then have been doozies! I figured my dizziness was just my EQ sensitivity kicking in. I do believe there's a big EQ heading for the West Coast any time now.

Garry, Shadowhawk...Whoa! The earthquake in Peru. I have been so tired between work and school that it didn't click until I read the posts. That may have been it. I'll see how things are over the next few days.

Tonight I met a Hindu Healer that did some fantastic energy work on me and I am feeling much better now; not so tired and drained. She opened up some new channels and I was 'seeing' all kinds of beautiful faces and images.

And Garry, middle age does do some wierd things, but I am sure we are all picking up on the major energy shifts. I have been experiencing the same symptoms for the past year as well. Actually they have been more intense over the past 3 months.

Shadowhawk, I have been working with a gorgeous and very powerful Citrine Smokey quartz for the past month that has removed many layers of funk from my system, so I am experiencing some deep healing. But, I am still picking up sooo much negativity from work and people. Something is going on and i think we'll soon 'see' what's really taking place.

Peace, Love and Many Blessings!

Cybear - It might help you to deal with the negative energy at work, or anywhere for that matter, by placing a beautiful holographic bubble around yourself - especially in front of the solar plexus. It helps transmute the negative energy and definitely keeps it from impacting you. Been there, done that, burned that t-shirt!

Namaste'

The whole highway thing appears to me to be the last gasp of the old earth-based economy.

Here are 2 powerful You Tube "strolls"
down the lane of history! One 9/10/01
http://newssophisticate.blogspot.com/2007/08/remembering-history-donald-rumsfeld-on.html
QOP

http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2007/08/17/wall_street_panic/

Panic on Wall Street

ShadowHawk, try cutting and pasting this link:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?messageid=424979&mpage=&showdate=

If that doesn't work, go to www.godlikeproductions.com and search for the forum thread titled "Thread for those with earth sensitive symptoms".

Namaste and love y'all!
GT

Cybear, I am disturbed at your 'disgusting' remark in terms of those people in the service industry who are working their butts off. I am disappointed that you would say it is disgusting...what is disgusting are the people ordering you to remove something from the room they don't like and treating YOU like the slave....I think you have your priorities backwards.

And since my ex is a head hunter in NYC, and KNOWS the people who head up corporations, I can tell you that this is common practice among the high and mighty, or as GWBush calls them, the HAVE MORES, as I heard a story of the head of a large and prestigious luxury handbag manufacturer (2 of them actually, one woman, one man) who can't keep executive assistants because of the way they treat them. My ex has tried, along with every other head hunter in NYC, to find someone to fill the job on one of them for over 7 months...! No takers. This is the part people don't get....by buying the merchandise, the middle class is trying to BE the upper class, and all they do is make the owners richer than Croesus. Everyone STOP SMOKING, stop drinking booze, stop buying stuff to keep up with the Have Mores, and take your money OUT of the big banking chains and put it into a credit union in your own home county.....stop the chain of greed. Do YOUR part.

Sorry...I am coping with some real rage today....

OoOOPs.
The UAU seems to be a favorite story of the extreme right wing!Including the John Birch Society! Google North American Union to see the many websites on the subject.
Oh & I sent thay You Tube to all the Dems within reach! many of whom read Altrnet!
The idea came from John Paster a very liberal guy back in te 70;s
Course it was his idea to give Panama back to the Panamains & now the CHiese controlit........but..
Check it out http://www.alternet.org/audits/54184/
QOP

Garry - the link I was referring to was http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=2&contentid=4636. Thanks for the advice on cutting and pasting but I still get the same ghastly picture of Rumsfeld. Which article are you referring to in that site? I WAS able to get to the earth sensitive site no problem. Interesting site, tho. Thanks.

Well, if Sally is correct in remembering the piece of paper contents from the Ptolemy book (which couldn't exist from Ptolemy's time, as the maps weren't even begun to be supposed or written about until 1200's, and even then they were mostly wrong)....and Sally's previous projections of America's Mars retrograde along with some of these other dates, then perhaps the decline of America will have to do with the advent of some kind of north american union. Maybe the Rightwingers know something for a change.

Russia has now resumed spy flights and had run ins with the Brits and out in the Pacific, around Guam...Putin is a dictator now for sure.

An astrologer in LA whom I respect sees 'no end in sight' for any of this.

Morgana, love 'Waiting for Goredot"....I'll be trying to round up some barrels for us all....it might take a while.

JudiG, What I find disgusting is the fact that they roll a cart up to a room, deliver food and roll the cart out and then stand around for a while until someone else orders. Thats a lot of money that could be distributed to the ladies (mainly poor african-americans) that clean the rooms who are making minimum wage.
The way people are paid here is ridiculous. The cooks, the housemen, the housekeepers are all under paid and those that deliver food a few times a day complain to no end.
And yes the ones who order me around as a slave are disgusting.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Wire_Russia_to_resume_combat_flights_0817.html
Russia resumes combat flights...

"This is the part people don't get....by buying the merchandise, the middle class is trying to BE the upper class, and all they do is make the owners richer than Croesus."

Brilliant! The poor working class has been brainwashed into thinking that they are worth something if they have the right car, clothes and gadgets. What has happened to this world? There are people living in ghettos here driving Mercedes and Beamers and spending all of their money on $200 jeans, $1000 handbags, etc. etc. etc.

Peace, Love and Many Blessings!

Cybear, I am sorry that you find that disgusting, for sure, but I still don't understand why....and of course the maids/housekeeeping are underpaid, and it is a dreadful shame also, but gosh, Americans just want what they want, don't they? like not paying taxes, etc. I am happy that some of these people are getting well paid for their work as servants. It is actually a big industry...but housekeeping and maid service has not managed to climb out of their hole....

We are back where we were before 1929...extreme wealth and immigrants doing the gruntwork (Jews, Italians and Irish, the Poles, eastern Europeans were the servants.) It is all the same cycle. It is far more harmful a cycle than some folks (Fillipino, Mexican, Central and South American) getting paid a lot for delivering food...or washing Rolls Royces or being nannies to wealthy families or wiping old folks butts in nursing homes.

...or being sure to get the right brand of potato chips for some wealthy white man or he'll have a friggin' meltdown.

There are schools now which train people in these exquisite skills (the nursing skills are not included in that cynical view...the nurses I've encountered at my late mother's nursing home were incredible, and they often worked 7 days a week and slept in multitude in shifts in one apartment, so they could support their families back home. God bless them all....I am forever grateful to them.)

Shadowhawk, I surround myself in a 'box of diamonds' that shifts through the chakra colors, but things still get through. A shaman and an intuitive said that I am a guardian, kind of like a canary in a coalmine, that no matter what I do for protection I will still feel things and pick up negativity. These days there is so much going on that it can be overwhelming. Believe you me, I do a lot to strengthen my aura and shields. I am kind of an early warning system on feet I guess.

from a friend:
Ever see the episode of Family Guy where Lois is running for office? She presents logical honest answers to the issues and the voters turn against her, Brian tells her that the American voter is a sheep that doesn't want to think and to give short answers that appeal to emotions but don't mean anything. She then answers all questions "9/11" and says terrorist drug dealers want to kidnap their babies to finance abortions, condoms in schools, and gay marriage; she wins in a landslide.

I wrote back: I didn't see this, but I think it is pretty accurate in terms of a certain portion of this country's voters....and certainly seems to be true of his eminence, Rudi Giuliani, whose kids have even turned against him and registered democratic.

So another friend wrote back:
Rudi Giuliani likes to dress up in womens' clothing; he's been married three times; only by circumstance was he the mayor of NYC when 9/11 occurred. Any mayor would've been as helpful. Will people choose a MAYOR who's running for Pres? C'mon.
All the Republican candidates are either losers or extremist christian righties. It'll be up to the Democratic candidate to lose the election, which sounds like famous last words because that is precisely what Gore did. Even though Florida was rigged and the election was stolen from him, all he had to do was carry his own state of Tennessee and he would've been Prez. But he didn't. How is that possible? Who knows, but it worries me on behalf of the Dems.
I saw this bumper sticker yesterday: Jesus helps me trick people.

Judi, What's disgusting is they complain. They hate their job, they don't like being here, they want more and more and more. Yet, they have the easiest job with the best pay? The african-americans, the mexican-americans, arab-americans, and all of the other americans are doing the grunt work, but the green card holders here on work visa's are taking money away from the Americans or from those that are trying to gain legal status through the system. Some have been trying to become legal for 10 years or more and they jump through every hoop put in their path. To me that's not right.

I have plenty of foreign co-workers and friends that are here because they want to be here, to have a better life with better living conditions barely scarping by. The ones that come here and complain and have no intention of staying, to me are biting the hands that feed them.

judigem, I've often thought that if they stole Florida they also stole other states. It doesn't make sense that Gore would lose Tennessee. No one has ever come up with any kind of explanation as to why that could have been. Unfortunately I think there are many things we didn't get to see because of the rukus in Florida. And knowing Rove he would orchestrate a loss where Gore would be strongest. That's the way Rove operates.

It is the volcano in Alaska which may disrupt interational flights that is bothering some people.

It is the volcano in Alaska which may disrupt interational flights that is bothering some people.

Actually, Luna, from what I remember it was the PR/political firm which torpedoed dem. Ford in TN in 2006...by spreading rumors...and the TNers bought it. ....they ran ads saying Gore would take their guns away, same thing they did in 2004. Did the same thing in PA. They did it to Ford, too...and he lost. Swiftboating...it works, it is totally a product of 'survivor of the fittest capitalist free market thinking'.

Cybear, since I only know the woman who has faithfully cleaned my messy places for 7 years, and never heard her complain except about her cokehead husband and his girlfriend, I can't confirm what you are talking about. But there is plenty to complain about, and there will always be complainers. I just think it is wrong to paint with too broad a brush. Not all politicians are nasty, greedy, bribed doughboys, either....at least on the democrat side....

Judi, My sister in law is a Mexican-American and I have many Mexican friends and neighbors. I am just talking about what I see going on in the workplace and around Texas. My sister in law and Mexican friends see it too. We are getting some arrogant ones that think they are entitled to get whatever they want, whenever they want it. Most are young, in their twenties and have chips on their shoulders. It's really messed up. The older mexicans and Tex - Mex's are embarrased and ashamed to see how some of them act. They feel it gives them a bad name. Most of my friends are hard workers and would give you the shirt off their backs if needed.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-fraad-wolff/tectonic-shifts-and-aware_b_60879.html
really good blog on the financial scene...

that was an 8.0 earthquake in Peru. .... how long, I wonder, before SoCal gets hit? Betsy, didn't see anything so far on the volcano...

The great New Zealand online newspaper Scoop, which was running articles about touch-screen voting machines in the US before I had even heard of them (and I was then living in Florida) has an interesting article about reasons for Rove's hasty departure. (Hi, Kiwi Jean.)

On another topic, do you read the alternative newspaper in your area? In Atlanta it is Creative Loafing and they carry a number of features that are syndicated all over the country. One is "News of the Weird" which more often than not is a story about a robber leaving his drivers license at the scene of the crime or whatever.

But thought you all would like very much this week's lead entry:

"Australian Jeffrey Lee is the last surviving member of the clan that controls the Koogarra uranium deposit near Kakadu National Park (east of Darwin), and federal law requires his permission for the French energy company Areva to extract the estimated 14,000 tons, perhaps worth the equivalent of $4.2 billion (US) , but Lee vouches never to sell because, "If you disturb that land, bad things will happen." "This is my country," he told the Sydney Morning Herald in July. "I'm not interested in money. I've got a job...I can go fishing and hunting. That's all that matters to me."

As long as people like Jeffrey Lee live, there is hope for the human race.

And for the record...If anyone on this board came to my house for a party you would be in the company of African-Americans, Mexicans, Mexican-Americans, Arabs, Indians, Chinese, and just about any other race on this planet.

Well...I am glad to hear that Cybear. It wasn't clear what you were talking about, obviously....and my daughter is 1/2 mexican american, too...and I know what her father went thru.

continuing on....Really great new Rudi doll...toys for conservatives, this is...check it out: The Rudy Giuliani figure. This one comes with or without a combover. You pull a string in its back and he repeats, "I am the hero of 9-11. I alone can protect you from terrorism. Watch out for dem Dems." Be sure to keep this toy away from all of New York's finest - our firemen and policemen who know that statement as the big lie it is. The Mayor who placed the coordination of emergency services inside the World Trade Center years after an attempt on that building had been made - the Mayor who failed to provide emergency workers with working communication systems, the Mayor who assured the workers that their health would be okay, this is the true toxic hero of 9/11. This action figure must be sold alone, since its own family wants to steer clear of him. However, you can place him near a Barbie lookalike - the charming Judi doll who will answer any question you ask, with "I'm new to all this so be kind to me" as long as it doesn't deal with the number of ex-husbands she has. Not nice, I know. But dear reader, neither is he. This bully candidate longs to have the bully pulpit to himself. God save America if he does.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sherman-yellen/toys-r-them_b_60918.html

judigem, the GOP candidate won't be Rudy--it will be Fred Thompson. But "God save America" still applies.

Lunaoscura, regarding the "why Gore lost TN" comment, I can speak to that. TN is still basically a red state. There are some ultra rich "good ol' boys" here, but the main appeal of the GOP remains that it's the white man's party.

I sure hate to say that and some might argue, but that's it. I remember folks around here in 1999 and 2000 drinking the Faux Noose Kool-Aid and making fun of Al for "inventing the internet".

In 2004, Kerry carried my county(Davidson, the county of Nashville), and probably Memphis(Shelby County, which is still/historically mostly black), but the outlying areas and the hills of TN were all red.

And yes, our education is still relitively poor. Correlations/surprises anyone?

Namaste and love y'all
GT

I had an odd disturbing dream last week myself. In it a guy jumped out of nowhere and started punching me hard and fast in the face and head. I was so stunned (literally) and couldn't seem to defend myself or respond then it stopped.. yet he was smiling and laughing. I felt helpless plus my eyes and head hurt just terrible. When I awoke the dream bugged me all morning for some weird feeling reason.

That afternoon my daughter called me. She had just been released from the ER for what she termed a sudden severe 'migraine' came on at work but she doesn't suffer migraines, she's also 6 months pregnant. Within two hours she was back at the hospital ER and it swiftly turned more serious. They started to suspect a possible aneurysm (my brother barely survived one 3 years ago) but didn't want to do a CAT scan in her condition.

No medications worked to relieve her head pain not even a morphine drip, her back was hurting and her eyes were sensitive to light. They admitted her in the morning, did the scan and also a spinal tap and then discovered she had contracted meningitis! "Stunned" covers my shock at this terrifying news, something just as potentially fatal. They didn't know if it was the contageous kind so she was isolated until a culture could come back. I brought my grandson home with me to stay to not expose him further.

Thankfully they caught it early and began immediate treatment, she spent 5 days in the hospital and is recovering fine so far and the tests show it was not a contageous strain and no clue how or where she picked it up. Now we're just praying the baby will be okay, she had an ultrasound and it's a Goddess girl!

The dream was the forewarning, get-thyself-psychologically-prepared, prophetic variety that caught my attention enough to help me already have my inner guard up, and be in a more stoic yet positive frame of mind and heart throughout. I'm a very thankful being this week.

If you google volcanos of Alaska and Russia, you will see that there are a lot active ones in the North Pacific and airlines which fly from Asia to North America are being warned about the ashes in the air which are still relatively light in the settled areas like Homer but they go up to 30,000 ft. and they will stop a jet engine. It adds time and fuel costs to go some other way around them.
The time is already 12-14 hours from Shanghai to North America. I received notice of possible longer flight times.
On Tennessee, It is really like 3 states. East Tennessee is always Old Republican. They supported the Union during the Civil War and follow the tradition. We have had decent Republicans from East Tennessee in Congress a few times. Then we had some others.
Middle Tennessee and West Tennessee were Confederate and then Democratic when the Democrats were the bad guys who created the KKK and abused blacks and poor whites.
A lot of these Tennesseeans still follow their traditions and hope to recreate the plantation life and some really pretend that they are living it in the here and now.
Most Tennesseans are very anti-intellectual except for knowing about Civil War Battles and good receipes.The Democrats who were in the KKK when it was socially acceptable to be in KKK are now Republicans for the most part. A few might switch if you could explain to them that the Republicans of olden days were anti-Confederate.

There were some voter problems in Murfreesboro, Rutherford County where many brighter and better educated blacks and whites live and are Democratic. Some trouble about too many people trying to vote. Some students not allowed to vote.
There were also some claims few in some other towns in Middle Tennessee were not permitted to vote.Franklin was expected to be more Republican but had a lower turnout which caused Murfreesboro a Democratic county to need to lose some voters and votes.
The counties surrounding Memphis are Republican and their votes were higher than expected and came in late as there were many more absentee votes than one might expect.
Although, I lived in Austin at the time, I kept up with the vote in Tennessee. It seems like a lot of Republican absentee votes were added in the surrounding Memphis area and some people think that may have been tried in Franklin but the Republicans there were too honest to go along with the plan.
It also seems that some Murfreesboro votes were subtracted. I think Gore had picked up some extra votes in the East which is on Eastern time and and caused the Rove types to attempt to make changes in Middle Tennessee and then add a lot of new absentee ballots in the West.

Ann Richards had a lot of absentee votes added against her in the election she won in Texas. She expected the same in the election she lost.

I believe there was much more 'creative' voting shenanigans going on than we know. They were going to win no matter what. Rove is good at making sure they win by only a little so it looks like it's a close call. The only reason they lost last year's election was because they didn't count on nor were they prepared for such a massive Democratic turnout. We outnumbered them but I still think they stole a few seats in some of the states they are stronger in. And they didn't come this far to be beaten in any honest election. No one should believe that they're suddenly going to become honest. They don't even know what it is to be honest or truthful. They have different standards they measure themselves by. Wealth at any cost is probably their highest aspiration and the way they measure everything. It doesn't matter how they make their wealth.

Castro: Cuba not cashing U.S. Guantanamo rent checks
Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:27pm ET

Well, Castro has $2,451,000. in checks from the USA stuffed in his desk drawer! Thye are rent paid for the use of Gitmo! They are still made out to the Treasurer General of the Republic, even tho that position ceased to exhist in 1959 after Castro's revolution!
It's on Raw Story, I'm not posting the link because its awfully long, & I haven't established the tinyurl yet on this computer!
QOP

Betsy, thanks for the in-depth analysis of TN's voting, it is spot-on and way more articulate than my earlier post.

And ShadowHawk, if you go to www.conspiracyplanet.com, look at the bottom of the page under the "Other Top Stories" heading and you can click on the one titled
"US Torture: Official CIA-Pentagon 'Policy'" by SUE ARRIGO, M,D.

But please remember, it is QUITE graphic.

Namnaste and love y'all!
GT

The End Of The World As We Know It

Hope Vs. Mindset"

By Carolyn Baker

A pro-active mindset is willing to own that the paradigm upon which the empire is based is not only shallow, wanton, mindless, and infantilizing, but ultimately toxic- mentally, emotionally, spiritually, and physically.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18202.htm

Here we go again....

Backlash Over Book on Policy for Israel :

"The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy" is not even in bookstores, but already anxieties have surfaced about the backlash it is stirring, with several institutions backing away from holding events with the authors.

http://tinyurl.com/yqky6x

Giuliani-McCain: That's the Ticket?

McCain Tells ABC News He's 'Flattered' by Rival Giuliani

By AARON KATERSKY
Aug. 17, 2007 —

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani are rivals for the 2008 Republican nomination, but you wouldn't know it by asking them.

In an interview with ABC News Radio Friday, McCain said he is "flattered" that Giuliani would support his bid for the White House were he not trying to win the job for himself.

At a campaign event Aug. 8, 2007, Giuliani told a crowd in Iowa, "I happen to be a very big admirer of Sen. McCain and I can tell you quite honestly that if I weren't running for president I would be here supporting him. If for some reason I made a decision not to run he'd be my candidate."

It was the second time this summer Giuliani voiced support for McCain without much prompting.

"I'm flattered by that," McCain told ABC News Radio. "That's a very nice thing for him to say. I have great respect for him and we are very friendly."

http://www.abcnews.go.com/print?id=3492440

Israel eyes the '08 Democrats

Many in Israel are scrutinizing the U.S. presidential race -- and potentially key differences on security among Obama, Clinton and Edwards.

By Gregory Levey

Aug. 16, 2007 | For about a year now, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz has been running a regular feature called the Israel Factor, which asks a panel of Israeli academics and former government officials to rank the 2008 U.S. presidential candidates on the basis of how "good" they are for Israel. Some observers have critiqued the project for meddling in America's domestic politics and, especially because it is printed in English and posted online, for assuming Americans should even care what Israelis think about the American political arena.

But the fact is that what Israelis think of the presidential hopefuls' views on Israel is important not only to Israel but to the United States as well. For starters, about a 100,000 American voters live in Israel. Many Israelis have friends and families in the United States. Indeed, one Israeli joke says that to the average Israeli, only four states matter: New York, California, Florida and Israel. More significantly, if the United States' image in the Middle East is to be resurrected from the ashes of the Iraq disaster over the coming years, its salvation will no doubt turn substantially on U.S. interactions with Israel and its Middle East neighbors.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/08/16/israel_eyes_08/print.html

ASTROTABLETALK

Wednesday, August 15, 2007

SATURN-NEPTUNE THROUGH THE SIGNS

Saturn and Neptune have been opposite each other for 2 years now in Leo and Aquarius respectively, and in a week’s time they will be more than 8 degrees apart, the cut-off point I use for the end of the transit. In 3 weeks time Saturn will move into a new sign, confirming that the opposition really is over.

Over, at least, in the sense that the alchemy is over, the long chemical reaction has stopped fizzing, but it will still take a while for the results to crystallise out. Like the Oil Crisis of 1973, which took place a year or so after the end of the last Saturn-Neptune opposition.

http://astrotabletalk.blogspot.com/2007/08/saturn-neptune-through-signs.html

Kucinich Sounds the Alarm
John Nichols



Dennis Kucinich may not be a front runner in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination.

But the congressman from Cleveland has succeeded in distinguishing himself from the other contenders when it comes to speaking those truths that are self-evident.

And in an era of mass delusion and denial on the party of leaders in both major political parties, stating the obvious can be a radical act.

Such is the case with Kucinich's appropriate answer to the latest move by the Bush-Cheney administration to ramp up hostilities with Iran. That move -- the unprecedented attempt to label Iran's 125,000-strong Republican Guard as a "specially designated global terrorist" group -- is, as the congressman says "nothing more than an attempt to deceive Americans into yet another war -- this time with Iran."

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/linkframe.php?linkid=40376

August 16, 2007

Kucinich: DLC agenda 'indistinguishable' from Neoconservative agenda

Submitted by Sheila Samples

"You have to keep in mind that the center has shifted in our politics," Kucinich responded, smiling. "I'm really at the center, and all the other candidates are to the right of me. And they're to the right of the American people."


Only sane one running ...

... that's why he won't stand a chance.

My best friend, very level headed guy, pragmatic to the hilt can't wrap his head around the idea that indeed certain very wealthy, powerful families of politicians, corporate and media mongrels, have co-mingled and conspired over many generations to make sure that they never loss their stranglehold on the massive accumulated wealth and would continue to have it all even if it meant the complete demise of our species.

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/link.php?id=40376

Cybear, Do you follow what Karen Bishop says on her blog? She has been talking about the energies of the Planetary ascencion of consciousness for more than a year, describing the phyical manifestations in our bodies. I tried the direct link to her site, but it took forever to download so the link below is from Democratic Underground (the spirituality and astrology forum) where it's posted in its entirety. You might find it interesting.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=245x51045

[snip]

As we arrive and reside in more higher realms, the old and denser energies begin to dissipate, fall apart, and basically can no longer congeal in this space. Currently, this is the case, as always. So even though we are in a much higher vibrating space, we may be feeling and seeing the “dissipation,” or confusion, loss, and even panic of the older energies.

Here in the US, this is occurring in a dramatic way indeed. Our country is beginning its final fall…and it will occur very rapidly now. The rug has been pulled out from under it, and it has nothing much to hold onto anymore. The super power that it thought it was, is now needing to tap into and become what true power really is. The old false power must now depart. There is nothing left to support it. But this is the natural and rightful process of ascension and evolution.

Correction on link above

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/link.php?id=40401

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U.S.: No strings attached to new defense package for Israel

By Barak Ravid, Haaretz Correspondent

The new $30 billion American defense package for Israel is not conditioned on diplomatic progress or concessions to the Palestinians, a top U.S. aide said Thursday as representatives from both countries signed the memorandum of understanding in Jerusalem.

U.S. Under Secretary of State Nicholas Burns said the aid to Israel was meant to counter "an axis of cooperation between Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad and Hamas that is responsible for the violence in the region."

The hike in aid constitutes a 25-percent increase to the $2.4 billion Jerusalem currently receives from Washington in annual military grants. Under the new agreement, the U.S. will transfer $30 billion to Israel over the next 10 years.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=894644

wv,

30 billion dollar price tag, meanwhile back on the soggy home front, Dean barreling down the pipe. I keep thinking middle America could turn back into an inland ocean.

Interesting speculation, Ms Morgana. When Cayce was "rediscovered" in the '60s-'70s, people would remind me that CA was going to break off and sink into the ocean, so why'd people choose to life in the state? I responded that they had it all wrong: the rest of the country would break off and sink into the ocean, leaving CA high and dry. Attempt at humor turns to Hmmmm.

Shez SpiritEye....I am so glad your daughter is doing better, and hopefully will recover with no side effects. Strangely, there does seem to be something going around now which is weird. I had a headache for 3 days, as did my 6 yr old granddaughter for the same amout of time the week before; another friend broke out in hives all over her body...but didn't get the migraines she's had since she was 7 years old, and my first thought was 'meningitis' for her, too...

My energy is quite low....when I checked astrodientist just now I realized why: Sun/Merc/Venus/Saturn all conjuncting or having conjuncted my Chiron in opposition to the current transit from Neptune, while today the Moon is conj. my ascendant, Mars just went over my Uranus, Uranus is squaring my Sun/Saturn and Pluto on the Galactic Center is conj. my progressed ascendant and Part of Fortune.

Time for bed.

Here's an interesting development:

http://www.aaiusa.org/press-room/3206/diplomat-charged-with-threatening-arabs-quits-state-department

Shylurker, A fine geographical perspetive!bjt

Anybody know where the space station is located? There's a weird big carvnival ride looking object in the South Western sky. Or are my eyes just overtired tonight.
QOP

Well....you ALL must check out Mother Jones for this month...I don't know how much of this issue is online, but go to the Mother Jones website and read the story on Hillary Clinton's faith. Turns out for the last 15 years, she has been a part of a secretive biblestudy group called the "Fellowship" on Capitol Hill with conservatives like Ashcroft and Lieberman and a ton more (brain freeze on these names...ugh)
, the worst)...all the most virulent of conservatives.

WV has said from the beginning that she is a Republican....and I didn't see that politically, despite knowing her background as a Goldwater girl and growing up in a conservative Chicago nieghbornhood with parents who were very conservative Republicans.

this convinced me. I contribute to the Mother Jones investigative fund and have for the last 3 years....not very much per month...the two new editors are women and they've opened a DC branch office....I urge you all...contribute, even just 10. a month like I do, because it definitely is paying off....and this month's issue has an expose of the credit card industry which will not surprise any of you...I am sure - speaking of total USURY. The focus of MJ has changed for the better with these editors....this is really a balsy issue...conservatives will have major coniptions...

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