Well, the professional history of GWB is to raid, depleat, destroy, and move on. Nothing new happening here at all

plane crashes into an apartment building and already cons/repugs are on denials. first it was
not a plane but a helicopter, now it is not 'T' word but an accident. Just don't believe this con
spins at all. Just fess up and admit it - you cons are no good at home security here or abroad or anywhere else; just a bunch of total 100% inept
fear mongers and only good at scaring people; that
is all. cons as inefficient at protecting us on home security as they were when Katrina hit NO,LA
and MS.

or for that matter, protecting minors from repug
con predators masquerding as congressmen or senators.

Pataki just made a "damning statement"!
" There was NO PRIOR intelligence on terrorism."
The logical conclusion being; that imediately following 9/11 they WERE AWARE of prior intelligence on that occassion!!!!!!
'Nother black mark for Repugs! Sure they are better at keeping us safe!

QOP

It's very sad about Cory Lidle (03.22.1972 N/T 12:00 noon chart, Hollywood, CA.) he has a Mercury oppose Uranus in Aries/Libra, Uranus had retrograded back to an exact opposition and Venus was setting it off. There was a flight instructor on board and I expect some confusing communication was taking place at the time between Lidle and the instructor. The fact is no one is protected at any time, protection is only an illusion whether in a car, plane, train or on foot.

Meantime, the real tricks are still being played in Washington. This is the week (starting Friday the 13th for about 10 days) that we can watch and wait for a Lieberman fall from grace. He says or does or is found out about something. Both Joe and his wife have a very difficult aspect at the same time. I doubt if Joe will have time to wiggle out of this one.

Great Olberman

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/10/11/olbermann-exclusive-dissecting-new-book-tempting-faith/

If at all possible, just make the time to watch this. Amazing what he's saying (not just the past, but what he seems to be "seeing" for the future):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8aOiMmekGk

a MUST read from Ron Kovic
Yes the same guy who was "Born on the 4th of July"

Breaking the Silence of the Night
by Ron Kovic
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1011-22.htm

Food for thought. Ron writes.

"For the past three and a half years I have watched in horror the mirror image of another Vietnam unfolding in Iraq. As of this writing over 2,700 Americans have died and nearly 20,000 have been wounded while tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians, many of them women and children, have been killed. Refusing to learn from the lessons of Vietnam..."

Thanks so much for the Wes Clark video shy. sigh He's wonderful!

http://tinyurl.com/s3y3s
Nation safe from illegal elephants

As Plunkett left the ranch on Texas 4, the Border Patrol stopped him and the elephants at a checkpoint.

No, they did not say, 'Open the trunk.'
QOP

Bush was not a Christian when he ran for president in August of 2000. On a campagin trip from Austin to Dallas he told the small plane load what he really thought about the religious nuts in Round Rock.See the article in the Texas Observer or in the Austin Chronicle I really do not remember which.
Additionally, it was well known that Bush could not locate the Methodist Church where he said he was a member in down town Austin which he passed twice a day but never entered.Word in Austin is he was never a member but Laura who seldom attended tranferred her membership there.
Bush had to study hard with several church leaders to learn to fake the born again mutterings. Marvin Olasky was the main trainer for Bush at that time. The "compassionate conservative" came from Olasky not Rove.bjt

If anyone can reach Keith Olbermann with the above Wesley Clark material - please do so. I sent him a email today.

It is great to find such information about our government here on this site, but all America needs to hear General Wesley Clark.

Everyone should contact Olbermann if possible.

Hopefully,

Betsy, I have been saying this about Bush for a long time but I din't know that his lack of christian spirit was documented. Where was all this info before the last election cycle. Why now with Iraq in peices and over a half million Iraqis dead? I wonder who is playing us?
Any one who has seriously studied christianity recognized the lack of christian spirit in Bush so why now after our government has been sold to private entities and our national debt is so great that probably only a global economic collapse will free us?

I have posted in a few places including this place in the past.(pre elections) This was the only site that ever seemed interested in my posts. bjt

Betsy, I'm glad you post here.

Sally, I wonder if this http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/10055980/detail.html might be the scandal for Talent referenced in an earlier thread?

I remember that Betsy. The media buried it. !!!!! I have felt so frustrated watching the very bad theatre.

Is this what you are talking about, Sally, when you mentioned its the Democrats' turn?

Sen. Reid defends million dollar Vegas land deal

WASHINGTON - Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., is denying any wrongdoing in collecting a $1.1 million windfall on a Las Vegas land sale even though he hadn't personally owned the property for three years, property deeds show.

Reid says he hasn't done anything wrong but is willing to change his report on the transaction if the Senate Ethics Committee orders him to.

Reid hung up last week on an A-P reporter asking about the deal. He told a Las Vegas news conference today that everything he did was "transparent," that he "paid all the taxes" and that everything was "fully disclosed

Hello, Betsy! Nice to "hear" from you.

Roderick, I'm hoping she means folks in the Dem Party will continue to fight (a la Dean) to make it a party of the people and not the established elite. Like you, I'm sure waiting for her response.

A nice petition here, fighting the aggression against Iran...

http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/involved/iranpetition.html.

This petition, directed to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, is a joint project with Peace Action.

Thank you Sally for this new message, :)

Hmmmm, the link doesn't seem to work now, sorry !!

One may link simply this way :

http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/

Sorry !...

regarding yesterday's tragedy in NY. Lidle had that insignificant non-planet Pluto in the first degree of Libra. Thus the lunar eclipse of 9/7 had Mars conjunct Pluto and, of course, the solar eclipse of 9/22 conjunct that Pluto.

Complete change of subject......not that it is irrelevant............( one of the major deciders?)

The Rev. Sun Myung Moon's business empire, which includes the right-wing Washington Times, paid millions of dollars to North Korea's communist leaders in the early 1990s when the hard-line government needed foreign currency to finance its weapons programs, according to U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency documents.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/101206K.shtml

Sun Myung Moon was born on January 6, 1920, (Sun 14 cap, moon 1 - 12 cancer, conjunct pluto 6 cancer?, MERCURY EEEEK 26 SAG!) into a family of farmers that had tilled the land for centuries. As a boy he studied at a Confucian school and was a keen observer of the natural world.

At Easter time in 1935, Jesus appeared to the young Sun Myung Moon as he was praying in the Korean mountains. In that vision, Jesus asked him to continue the work which he had begun on earth nearly 2,000 years before. Jesus asked him to complete the task of establishing God's kingdom on earth and bringing His peace to humankind.

http://www.unification.org/rev_mrs_moon.html

re his coronation at the Dirkson Senate Bldg in 2004
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A619
32-2004Jun22.html
QOP

The Dumbing Down of America

By Manuel Valenzuela

Something is amiss in the great nation called America. Ominous sirens warning this reality can be heard emanating loudly through invisible winds of change circulating our towns and cities. The American people are being strangulated; unbeknownst to the masses they are being transformed and conditioned, becoming the entity the elite have long sought, the culmination of decades of social engineering designed to make of hundreds of millions the slaves of times past and the automatons of the future.

more

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/

It is said there is sometimes a delayed action where the outer planets are concerned. I believe Pluto from the US natal Mars and T Pluto opposition is still hard at work and hired bushco to help. Pluto is burning down the hse, including the secrets in the basement, so we can rebuild....Although politics should be about leadership, which I think means shaping values from the front, it is also about money.........The US has/had (outsourcing etc) an industrial infrastructure....From the current surge in scientific discoveries (nanotech etc) and having shipped our indusrial capacities to China, I wonder, when the house is rebuilt, what kind of infrastructure we might want...The US seems to be about inovation. Annnd, the economy surely will have to be rebuilt....Over ten yrs ago Kevin Kelly wrote "Out of Control" about systems based on what we have learned from nature; nature turning out to be very wise and sustainable. I think it is time for me to read that book again if I'm to contribute to the rebuilding........Any thoughts Salley et all on our socio-political-economic rebuilding from an astrological point of view? I ask, because, only, watching the current train wreck is getting really depressing......Nameste', Tim

I am cautiously optimistic. SurveyUSA has just released poll results on the Missouri Senate race. McCaskil (D) leading (no)Talent(R) 51% to 42%. 4 more weeks....I can't stand the suspense.

Oops forgot!........Here is a link to the whole text (Out of Control) online. http://www.kk.org/outofcontrol/contents.php If you get into Kelly and the whole systems thinking thing, Dane Rhudyar where are you?, you might like Peter Senge's work and an article on the net somewhere called the columbo effect........T

Got this from over at Starlightnews and thought you all might be interested.

http://www.impeachforpeace.org

This Thursday, hundreds of thousands of citizens will mail legal documents to the houses of Congress to initiate formally the impeachment of President George W. Bush.
To do this, citizens will use a little known and rarely used part of the Rules of the House of Representatives. This procedure empowers individual citizens to initiate the impeachment process themselves. Although not well publicized prior to 2006, the method was discovered by Jodin Morey, an organizer for the Minneapolis-based group Impeach for Peace. While researching the “Jefferson’s Manual,” an interpretive guide to parliamentary procedure included (along with the Constitution) in the bound volumes of the Rules of the House of Representatives, Morey learned that there are multiple acceptable methods of bringing impeachment motions to the floor of the House. An impeachment Memorial, or “Do-It-Yourself Impeachment,” is one of these. The process is ratified by each Congress — including the current one — and has been updated continuously through the history of our democracy. DIY Impeachment has been used successfully before. An 1830 Memorial by Luke Edward Lawless was successful in initiating the impeachment of Federal Judge James H. Peck. This Memorial became the template for DIY Impeachment. After considerable research, Impeach for Peace is now certain that it has a legal document that U.S. House Speaker Dennis Hastert must recognize. Any citizen can download the DIY Impeachment Memorial and submit it, making it possible for Americans to do what our representatives have been unwilling to do. The idea is for so many people to submit the Memorial that it cannot be ignored. DIY Impeachment is part of the law, and legally, Hastert must recognize it. Another organizer for the group, Mikael Rudolph, explains: “He might still toss them all in the trash, but with House Minority Leader John Conyers also receiving copies, Hastert can be held accountable by Conyers.” Impeach for Peace is asking everyone to send in the memorials on a single date, October 12th. Rudolph continues, “Imagine dozens of extra trucks called into service to deliver tons of mail to Speaker Hastert and Congressman Conyers in mid to late October. The DIY Impeachment has been downloaded over 180,000 times.” The expected media attention surrounding the delivery of these memorials is being timed strategically to influence the November elections. Rudolph reasons, “It’s like a legal method for voting outside of the scheduled polling dates. It is incredibly empowering and awakening for individuals to learn that they can do this.” The constitution provides for both the electoral process and the impeachment process — the latter being necessary when the elected officials do not honor their oath of office. According to Rudolph, “Impeachment would lead to the ouster of Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld and many others, as they are all equally guilty of war crimes. In an open impeachment trial, the evidence would come out. It isn’t the only way we’ll succeed in impeaching Bush and restoring democracy, but it is an important avenue.”

Dear AW's I was driving into NY on the Bruckner and the radio just announced, a airplane just hit a building. 5 minutes later I saw smoke coming from the east side. Wow, Oct 11! I am glad it was not a neo-rebub-again event. I felt bad when I found out it was a baseball player in an accident. Starman.

Israel's Plan for a Military Strike on Iran

By Jonathan Cook

The Middle East, and possibly the world, stands on the brink of a terrible conflagration as Israel and the United States prepare to deal with Iran's alleged ambition to acquire nuclear weapons. Israel, it becomes clearer by the day, wants to use its air force to deliver a knock-out blow against Tehran. It is not known whether it will use conventional weapons or a nuclear warhead in such a strike.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15281.htm

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Nuclear Umbrella? The Peril of Missile Defense

By William A. Cohn

The US will spend some $9 billion this year to develop ballistic missile defenses, with $9.3 billion slated for next year. Total US military spending exceeds half a trillion dollars for 2006. The September 16, 2006 International Herald Tribune reports that the US now spends more on its military than does the rest of the world combined.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15284.htm

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No words can describe. You just gotta go see.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2383791

Those pix are priceless Shy!
QOP

I already posted this on FDL, but wanted to spread the joy or schadenfreude (sp?).

I don't know enough about the situation to comment knowledgeably on it, but:
Sara Evans of Dancing with the Stars is leaving because she's divorcing her husband who is running for congress, Craig Schelske. Supposedly his behavior, something awful he's done has suddenly brought it on. Maybe you guys know about Delay's involvement in getting people to vote for her b/c she's a good Republican, etc etc and Jerry Springer is the devil.
I think her abrupt departure has something to do with the Hammer's influence and yet more bad publicity for the rePukes. Anybody know more?

Steve Bell's latest...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/stevebell/0,,1921458,00.html

Hi,

Just a word of caution to good hearts.

Been researching during some free time to discover that those we think are such heros in the left movement are not.

The polls we are told to go and participate in are BS!!!!! They mean nothing, just go vote.

The people (blog journals, movement leaders) we put our trust into and call heros, are not.

My suspisions and bad vibes of people posting all day, or getting their egos boosted for being a political hero, when it's all about SERVICE, have been quenched.

I will always trust my third eye. Not polls or opinions. The movement is dying because postings are all about being in the head and not DOING. Alot of people getting paid to post out there.

I love astrology and anything that has to do with 'for the people' and you will hear from me when it's possible to write. Nothing against anyone here on Sally's ship. But my eclipse experience opened my third eye in a big way, all answers lie within.
I now know that my rantings were not in vain. My meditation visions become truer over time.
Whomever (trolls, tag team trolls) feels a resonating to what I say as true, feel ashamed for purposely wasting time and for betrayals.

http://thetyee.ca/News/2006/10/12/Forum/

&

http://www.fina-nafi.org/eng/fina/presentation.asp?count=eng

Secret Summit on Shared 'Security'

Also:

I want to clarify to go vote in elections.
Those who are pumping close polls are sneaking up for the attack. Forget polls, VOTE in elections.

We are giving away alot of our good ideas to those who have jobs to datamine our ideas and twist them in favor of the opponent, who they work for.

How to spot a troll:
http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html

For me, it's getting obvious.

All too true bhakti. It has been going on now for at least a decade in the US.

bhakti, yup, I came to the same conclusion ... thanks.

Sally mentioned the macaca hitting the fan for Lieberman...check it out.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/10/13/114529/50

Here's an article and it names who they work for:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1438787

BTW, I just got off the phone and was bringing up this hot subject with my friend and we got cut in on and I could hear another women's voice say something. I had to call my friend back. Said into the phone that the !@#wipes need to get a real job and a real life and stop BSing themselves and others. How do they sleep at night? Is it to pay for the hubris lifestyle that has become the norm, putting a child through college? There's got to be a better way to make a buck that is more honest. Be ashamed.

Fiore on topic as usual...

http://www.sfgate.com/comics/fiore/

I'm not being followed by the NSA.
The call was from my librarian friend, had no idea she left a message at that time.

another link:

http://www.newtopiamagazine.net/articles/40

Very nice link here..

:)

http://www.worldpeacetreaty.com/

OH, dammit! I had a inkling that this "organic movement" from the big corporations was a crock. But, what do you do? I've tried to grow my own vegetables and fruits sans pesticides and chemical feritlizers, but the weather here in the Shenandoah Valley is to put it mildly screwed up!! It's too damn cold, (29 degrees last night 10/12!and frost)or too hot. Nothing grows "right". I don't know what do think. If I could blow the chemtrail planes out of the sky, I would. They fly constantly. (Conspiracy theory alert. Laugh if you must)

I think the Chinese curse of "May you live in interesting times" is being apt here.

http://www.rense.com/general73/saddeath.htm

Patricia, this will interest you.

http://www.coopamerica.org/

Patricia,
I feel your pain! Farming always has been a crap shoot! Why people gave up on it and went for the factories! Don't give up on it. Keep reading & trying.
I grimly rebuilt my garden this summer after the sewer contruction, last year left it a barren heap of gravel & rock! ( They lost 15 years of soil made one bucket of manure at a time!)
Tonite I had a salad to die from! With peach melba, yellow pear, red cherry & early girl tomatoes, red onion ( purchased, havn't mastered them yet!our local organic farmers won't grow them too hard!) blue cheese, & dressing, mixed lettuce.
We havn't gone as low as 29o yet. I have been covering the garden when frost threatens, ( with a big tarp held on the fence by clothes pins, easy to put up )& we've had about 4 light frosts.
Too hot is not a problem up here, but I think you can provide some shelter on hot days? Old beach umbrellas?
I have potted 4 tomatos and brought them inside for the winter because it is a perennial plant, 2 of them are left from last winter, & still producing tomatoes. And I am trying green beans this year in a window box in the bedroom which faces west. Last year I did rainbow chard,which worked well, but I don't really like it that well. I'm going to play around with plant lights to force production when the days are short...*tomorrow*! Already the shadows are long by 2 pm.
Find a local source of Espoma organic fertilizers
It's fantastic stuff!

http://www.espoma.com/
Does anyone else suspect foul play in these organic e-coli incidents?
QOP

Pat QOP, I followed with interest your gardening labors this past summer--and with admiration, too! I would like to offer one small correction. You didn't "grimly" rebuild your garden. You gamely rebuilt it. You went right for it and you succeeded. Hooray for you!

Stand corrected!
Just feels grim tonight, as my back aches after retrieving fertile soil from under the apple tree where it was bulldozed. But it is a labor of love, because I am planting 25 tulip bulbs. Some are called "Shock the Neighbors" and are orange & purple!
QOP

Patricia and Pat...

http://www.michaelpollan.com/link.htm

Hi Gardeners All. Check out http://www.perelandra.com/ for wonderful gardening. Spend the winter putting your green waste in the soil where you want your garden. Use epsom salts over the winter. Put all the fall leaves into the soil. Grow your soil! If your soil is clay get some perlite and put it in the soil over the winter. You can spend the winter growing your soil so that come Spring, you can have soil healthy and ready to take plants and seeds.

Use the French intensive planting method instead of straight rows. It's fantastic in hot climates for shading plants like lettuce under your tomatoes. Mix radish seeds in with your loose lettuce seeds and you eliminate a lot of need for thinning. Mulch your summer garden with all the clippings from your lawn. If you pile it thick enough, the grass won't spout from the clippings and it keeps the soil cool and feeds it as it blends back into the soil under the new clippings. Cuts way down on the need for watering and the plants love it!

There are so many things you can do to make a happy garden with a minimum of work. I grew one in what had been OK clay and in the OK heat using these things and it was wonderful. Don't forget to mix in nasturtiums and marigolds for natural bug repellent. If anyone is interested, I can give them the formula for organic bug spray that works on everything but strawberries.

I always plant enough to share with the bugs and rabbits and they don't take more than their share, believe it or not.

Maybe this will help inspire someone to have a happy, fantastic garden next summer.

Shadowhawk what a wonderful site and I would love your bug spray formula. I can hardly wait to get started on this and I am not a gardner

I know I haven't been on the board awhile, but something happened tonight that I think you guys would understand.

Firstly, I have to say that I'm so tired of Neptunian energy. I got a handful of it tonight.

A crew for the NBC show "Friday Night Lights" came to film a scene two houses down from mine. They cleared the whole street, and there must have been 40 people running around and making the whole street quiet.

Two minutes into shooting the scene I realized what a BIG LIE that Hollywood and corporate entertainment is. The scene was a major black character in the show coming to visit the poor neighborhood he grew up in. They chose the poorly kept house two doors from mine to be the house he grew up in.

The racism was so apparent. I live in a prodominately Hispanic neighborhood. But, because they wanted by neighborhood to be all black, they made the hispanic family next door move for an hour and they put in Blakc extras on the porch. That alone made me sick. I mean, this is Austin, Texas which has a very large Hispanic population which is not even represented in the show (the show takes place in Austin, not just the filming).

The lead actor goes to the house he grows up in and, of course (typical of Hollywood's racist tendencies) the African-American man presently living in the house is an A-hole who's mean to the lead actor and has all the machismo traits that we attribute to African-American men. It was so racist and so stereotypical.

Thanks for letting me vent.

Rant on Travieso, we should all make a stand when we have an opportunity. I had tons of fun tonight. I had a "survey" call on the gay rights question on the ballot, let's see: "should they have civil unions and 2 should there be an amendment to the state's constitution making it clear that marriage was between one man and one woman." As her questioning went on and on about my feelings on the subject and would I be voting, her original perky voice started going down and down. She asked me if there were any gay members in my family or did I have a lot of gay friends and I said " oh my do you have to know a lot of gay people to know what's right and wrong, what is bigoted behavior on the part of the masses?" "Why I read history and I could tell right away that women and blacks and other ethnic groups were treated in the worst most bigoted way in this country, and goodness what we did to the Indians who were here first was just terrible." She got so quiet and could hardly wait to hang up on me. She asked me how often I went to church and I said "daily" and how much did I make and I gave her a figure three times my salary, I let her profile me as one of those "white" people who should be republican and absolutely against gays, and I wasn't. It rattled her and I loved it.

Well, lately I've been working about 18 hours a day (Until Wednesday) and a person has to get their fun where they can.

Roderick, Reid could be part of the Dems being hit (there aren't any names on an astro chart) I expect Hill and maybe Bill (but they are always hit) I don't think the gods are finished with the GOP but I could be wrong. No matter the party, these are not nice people on the Hill. Look at this video, I wish they could get it everyplace. Best ad I have ever seen.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/10/13/ad-targets-gop-on-stem-ce_n_31677.html

wood vent YES WE AGREE WITH YOU

Great Garden sites!
Travieso,
id you read Bhakti's post at Oct 13 4:11 pm above? It outlines disinformationist's, methodology; of course that filmoing was bogus! 99% of it is!
Good for you builing a house.lotta work!
Did you see Larry King live woth Bonno & Bobby Shrfiver? They have initiated joinred.com, to support medicine for aids in Africa. A percent of what yhou spend goes to Africa.
http://www.joinred.com/products.asp?p=3
It's terribly slow to open even at 5:30 am........but they have seen Oprah, Bush, King, in a 36 hour period and I think their PR got ahead of production!
Converse has produced brown & white high tops made from African design using a traditional method with mud. I think I will get a pair!
WSe are going grgocery shopping to St., Stevens CA tomorrow, and pass by McBrides Clothing which carries Converse!
QOP

Thanks for the comments guys. I'm going to write a letter to NBC, but I beginning to think that this is just "par for the course" of Hollywood. I don't think that it's just a social justice issue, but an issue of being realistic. How can you have a show that takes place in central Texas and not have one major Hispanic character?

Sghadowhank, I loved your tips on gardening too..

Sall I so loved your phone interview....I laughed so hard.. and I had a little equivalent to that this morning..

I was visiting this morning the dependable renegade, because her site always has me in stitches, and there was this post, with a photo of our president, on this coming National Character Counts Week... it is this year supported by Senator Domenici, (R-NM) and Dodd ( D-Connetitcut)... I had checked the National Char. Counts Week site before, and seen that children in schools will be asked to write an essay on Character...

So I sent an e-mail to Senator Domenici, saying I think that US Rep Hastert, Rep Ney, Rep Foley and why not, every congressman who supported a war based on lies, should EACH write an essay on character, since y ou know, if we want to build character in our children, we have to give the example, from nucleous family up to the representants we see on television every day, right ? and what was his sentiment on this proposition ?
And I ended my mail on Regards.

Now I am waiting for an answer to my proposition.. ... LOL

Sally - the bug repellent is made up of dish soap, tabasco, cigarette ashes, garlic, cayenne pepper and water. Mix it all together, strain and keep in a bottle. It stinks and repels bugs - doesn't kill them. You have to spray often if it rains but it works.

I also save cat food cans or tuna cans (tops and bottoms cut out) to put around the base of like tomato and pepper plants to help keep the ground crawling bugs away - like slugs.

Companion planting works wonders for keeping plants healthy and bug free as well. I forgot to mention yesterday about vermiculite in the soil to help loosen up clay, too.

The Perelandra books on gardening are fantastic. They talk about gardening your life as well as your plants. Her advice is quite sound.

Interesting tips, Shadowhark. I wonder, though, about the slugs and snails where you live. They must be awfully wimpy if a cat food/tuna can keeps them away from your tomatoes and peppers. I've had them crawl up two feet into a planter of arugula before--and, of course, eat all the arugula.

Shy - occasionally, I'll lose a plant to slugs but not very often. They just seem to stay away from my gardens for the most part and I've had gardens all over the country.

Some years ago I was working on the idea of moving to Seattle. I went to the University and there was a big workshop on how to deal with slugs! SO I stayed on the East coast. ( that & unlike in Phila., NJ., if you have a good bartendi\ng job, you KEEP it; SO I DIDN'T GET ONE...... I talked to A bartender on Bainbridge Island, who like me painted horses. She'd had that job for years no intentions of leaving!)
I saw a documentary about communicating with plants on the doc channel today, How at Findhorn they overcame the poor crop & cabbage worms, by "loving' the cabbage more. It certainly was appropriate timing!
QOP

PDQ - if loving the plants more doesn't work, you can always try beer. Slugs love beer and if you put a lidful in your garden, they are attracted to it, crawl in, drink their fill and drown! It also helps when you are preparing your garden for winter and digging around in the soil and find one of those suckers, get rid of it. Just put all kinds of good energy into your garden and you don't have much trouble with pests.

A friend of mine had a novel approach to grasshoppers that were destroying her roses. It was a really bad year and they were huge! She caught one, made a hangman's noose our of thread and hung it - quite dead - from one of her rosebushes. For some reason the grasshoppers stayed away after that. Strange but effective.

I'll try the grasshopper idea! We had a lot this year, cats love them! ( My rosebush is so big and old, it would take more than grass hoppers to take it out, ) But my biggest headaches this year came from fungus type things, not critters. It was pretty wet but I think the root cause was soil not quite right yet. In the past I've bought bags of sand from the hardware store ( for kid's sandboxes)
and mixed it with the natural heavy sticky blue clay soil. In NJ it was ALL SAND, and I dug up buckets of marl ( greensand with sea fossils, potassium, phosphorus) in Marlton where they were widening the road. I cut it into the sand like making pie crust. Then I lived with a lawn service guy who brought home grass clippings & experimental sludge soaked wood chips ( with a warning to use it on non edibles) and other goodies.
Now I have infertile gravel/stone! I'm composting like mad! Maple leaves from the neighbors yard, seaweed from the beach down the road, manure from my farmer friend, and all vegetable materialfrom the kitchen, and I am going to plant a cover crop of oats peas & vetch for the winter to help build it up and keep the nutrients from leaching out down hill over the winter.
I hope this isn't too off topic, but it is shared info we may be able to use!
Another topic! I got a box of papers from my sister in law, ( Mom is in an assisted care facility, and they are cleaning out the house. There was a Christmas letter, of the type people send out, when their kids are all being successful, from our old neighbors. My old playmate, worked for the CIA during the Reagan years! ( in London!)
QOP

QOP - I know exactly what you mean. When I lived in the mountains in CO, it was solid rock so when people asked what I was growing, I would tell them DIRT because it was exactly what I was doing. At the altitude I lived at, you also had to protect the plants from sunburn! A whole new gardening experience.

It's not too far OT since we may need all these skills if the world continues in the way it's going. Food may be hard to come by in the not too distant future!

joe loserman of connecticut may have problems coming up, but that does not mean problems for Democrats, since the selfish loserman has bolted from the party and is no longer can be called a democrat even officially, since the sheep's clothing has come off the wolf!

My sixth sense says it's going to be deja vu in 2007 with 30 year cycle in operation, the chief thief in WH will resign like tricky dick did in 1975 and the current dick(chuney) will follow in the footsteps of sparrow agnew and will be forced to resign for being a felon and criminal activities such as perpetrating CIA leak, oil company scandals etc.etc.etc.

Raj, I hope your sixth sense has a good track record. If they go in shame then they'll be too old and or maybe dead before the Republican party can recover enough to be contenders for a Presidency again. Or for the majority power in Congress. They have shown themselves incapable of running the country. They've done nothing but gut and ruin it. Just like the Mob.

Any body know the symbolism behind an ouruboros with swords crossed in front of it? The only thing I can google is an Armenian site listing Black Fucking Doom! doesn't sound right.
I have several little gold bangles, one with my Father's initials inscribed on the back. The other is the Soale Society. Third is his high school emblem. It is NOT Free Mason or Illuminatii.
QOP

I happen to remember the attack on the USS Liberty and it was waaaay under-reported here. It was well discussed in the military circles, though. He has his facts straight. I've studied quite a bit about Pearl Harbor and he has a point there as well.

Is War with Iran the October Surprise?
by Captain Eric H. May
Email: captainmay (nospam) prodigy.net (unverified!)
Address: Houston, Texas

A former Army intelligence and public affairs officer, Captain May, delves into the dark issue of whether the Bush admininstration has already planned its October surprise in the form of a war with Iran -- and whether the American Establishment is going along with the idea.
Is War with Iran the October Surprise?

By Captain Eric H. May

Polls as Prologue

According to current polls, if the mid-term elections were held today, President George W. Bush and his Republican Party would lose badly. He would then face an opposition Congress in 2007, one bound and determined to reassert its oversight duties. Investigations, an inevitability, could easily lead to his impeachment, and in that event the two-thirds of the United States who don't trust him could ask troubling questions about his presidency, all the way back to the still-murky events of 9/11.

If they're up to their duty, a new Congress could impeach him as a man who was brought to power by a war cabal for the sole purpose of starting a war in the Middle East. They could say that his allegiances are not -- and never were -- to the American People. Rather, he has been bought and paid for by the Oil Lobby, the Military-Industrial Lobby and the Israel Lobby.

An American Armada

As I write, the U.S. Navy's Second Fleet has dispatched the aircraft carrier Eisenhower, attended by a strike group of subordinate ships, from its Norfolk home to the Persian Gulf, where it is due to arrive on Oct. 21. The strike group will link up with other pre-positioned military assets, and could easily start a war with Iran, making it part of the ultimate October Surprise.

Officers from the Eisenhower have reached out to the government, military and media ever since the orders came, protesting that they don't want to be used to initiate a war with Iran. They assert that this is against their service oath to the Constitution, which clearly states that only the Congress -- not the president -- can start a war. Their distress signal has reached official circles, thanks to a September article by The Nation magazine. It's a confirmation of a New Yorker story in the spring, by Seymour Hersh, alleging that the Pentagon was then putting the brakes on a Bush administration itching for a war with Iran.

Congress pretends not to notice what is happening, though, either too scared, too involved or too implicated to do its duty. It shamelessly gave away its authorization to an Iraq War in 2002, six months before Bush began the attack, and hasn't said a word against what may be the preparation for an Iran War in 2006. It's been many months since I've heard Congress say it doesn't think Bush has the right to start a new war -- and that means it thinks he does.

False Flags and False Friends

A false flag attack is one in which you or your war partners attack your own forces while pretending to be someone else -- then blame it on that someone else. As a lifelong soldier and military historian, it seems quite possible to me a false flag attack on a U.S. ship in the Persian Gulf could be planned to alter the upcoming U.S. elections. The war would be blamed on Iran, of course.

The U.S. has often gone to war after Navy incidents that were dubious at best, and false flag at worst. The Spanish-American War began after the U.S.S. Maine conveniently blew up as it lay anchored in Havana Harbor, where a jingoistic U.S. government had sent it as a provocation to a senile Spain that was trying to put down a Cuban revolution. Our government immediately called the explosion an attack, and blamed it on Spain, against whom we afterward declared a patriotic imperial war. Decades later we admitted to Spain that we knew they had not attacked us. The explosion was officially called an "accident" -- but just how accidental was it?

More and more evidence says that in the months before World War II, the Navy and White House worked together to allow the Pearl Harbor attack their own officers saw coming, the better to rouse the public for what was to come. Have the same powerful officials decided that a Persian Gulf Pearl Harbor is what we must suffer to start World War III?

more

http://estrecho.indymedia.org/newswire/display/31397/index.php

It would not be the first time the government attacked one of their own to initiate a war. Governments have been attacking their people forever to provoke a war they want, we don't even know or can say for sure that 9/11 wasn't such an attack.

It has been leaked (wink, wink) that the James Baker III report will state that Democracy in Iraq or Victory in Iraq is not going to happen, giving the administration the excuse it needs to pull out just in time for an attack on Iran. Iran's chart does not give a clear indication of an attack on them until after 2007, however Syria first is a possibility. I wouldn't think it would be such a good idea, following the strengthening of the Hezbollah in the Middle East to go after the largest and strongest of the countries, Iran, I would think Syria first. The control of the entire Middle East is in the plans and I wouldn't think Saudia Arabia could be absolutely sure the US wouldn't come for them or Egypt either for that matter.

Sally - I happen to agree with you but you and I are 'relatively' sane. I don't think those in power here at the moment can make that claim. That's what makes them so bloody scary to me.

Ah sigh, I agree with that assessment. Just not sane, but I keep thinking there must be sane people there who would be willing to try and stop them.

QOP's question about the ouruboro (also spelled ouroboro) made me think about the ancient use of that symbol (the circular snake devouring its tail) as a symbol of life. I don't know what the two crossed swords in front of it are, but the circular snake in an of itself has been used as a base in numerous ways through the centuries. The symbol itself has spawned age old questions of life as circular, just going round and round always ending up in the same place. With Uranus, Neptune and Pluto in universal signs, we, and I mean the world wide collective "we," will be impelled once more to experience the lessons of the whole, just as we have been experiencing the lessons of the individual for the last 30 years.

There are cycles within cycles in Astrology. Looking at the most recent historical cycle, there is the 246 year cycle of Pluto when the beginning of agitation leading to revolution was fermenting and that's when this country begin following our own ouruboro and we've reached the point of our snake devouring its tail. We will have to wait and see how the cycle begins again.

Well frustrsting...I can't find anything on-line to clarify this symbol. It is a double circle ( figure 8) with the snakes head at the top......red stone for the eye. To me intuitively, the swords crossed in front of it, indicate life force blocked by physical might.
My Scorpio Father was a GOOD man with a higher than average moral/ethical code, graduated from Wharton School U of P, but most interested in singing. He had a beautiful tenor voice. Had he not graduated into the Depression 1934, and been impressed into the family business by my tyrant of a Taurus Grandfather, he might have been the first of the Four Tenors! The family hobby was little theater, and they produced 2 original musicals as well as performing many others. There was a tremendous talent pool in my town (24,000) that didn't sustain or perpetuate, but like Camelot, exhisted for a while.
QOP

Whoo-hoo! Excellent news. You might want to send this (press release) to your election officials as well as all others:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x453134

Cap'n Sally, Could this be the "Big Foot in Mouth" moment [Lieberman]:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2397594

I wonder if the crossed swords, which (swords) in the Thoth tarot signify mental energy and is the symbol peace. According to Angeles Arrien there is the following interpretations:

The 2 of disks card shows a snake in a figure 8 with each circle having a yin/yang symbol in it and the keyword is 'Change'

Her interpretation for the 2 of disks is:

"Physical transition. Transformation" - this is a period of change needed to bring balance back into one's life. The Uroborus snake is an Oriental symbol of wholeness - the yin/yang symbolism of black and white is balance which is achieved through change, "the only constant there is". This is Jupiter in Capricorn, expansive positive change (Jupiter) that takes place externally in order to make things more secure, stable and solid (Capricorn). Turned on its side it's a symbol of infinity, endless or unlimited space, time, distance, quantity, an indication of the neverending universe, the ultimate in expansion (Jupiter), the ongoingness of change unending.

Her interpretation of the 2 of swords is pictured as two crossed swords with a lotus blossom on the point of where they cross each other.

"Peace of Mind" -This is resolution about two issues, situations, choices, relationships or directions. Resolving two issues and bringing them together in harmony within the blue lotus blossom of wisdom is important in the process of mental integration. It is the unification of dualities, polaritites and oppositions on the mental level. Astrological symbolism: Moon in Libra - peace of mind on a deep subconscious level (sword at the top of the card is holding a crescent moon) and on that level, things are being balanced out (sword at the bottom of the card is holding the sign of Libra).

In my last post I meant that the 2 of swords is the symbol of peace, not that swords are. Sorry

Not sure that's it Shy for Lieberman, but it's one of his trip wires. Mars is at 23 Taurus in his sixth house, and ruling his 5th. There will be something with his "work" that makes it difficult for him to continue, I think it will be his mouth because of his arrogance, but it might also be his health or his wife (Her venus is at 23 Taurus

Has anything been written or discussed here regarding the recent N. Korean nuclear tests? There is one psychic I know who, on her website, says she predicted in 2004 that N. Korea would be testing nuclear weapons and would eventually target the U.S. with them, starting a war.

I found their chart on astrodienst in case anyone has the time to take a look and compare it to the U.S. chart. Sounds like our Sally is mighty busy but maybe someone else?

http://members.tripod.com/tra_nations/a_nkorea.htm

I do believe the snake eating it's head in a figure eight is the symbol for INFINITY. The Magician wears this snake as it's belt. The 2 of Pentacles juggles the two pairs of opposites within his figure 8. To Be or Not to Be. I also see it as the allegory of Shiva who wears the snakes as jewelry. He has overcome his karmas (represented as the snakes or kundalini which cleans out your karmas). He has them in control instead of Karmas controlling him.

You can talk over my posts as long as you want but I'm not giving up. When yurbuds from the internet stop their bogus polls, court cases, postings, and chatter about what heros they are, I'll stop. It's embarrasing to see grown people making strangers in cyberspace heros without any research about their backgrounds or colleagues these bums really associate with. Do some homework, it'll be enlightening and frightening. That's democracy in action.

Another disinfo site that explains ways to talk back to the disinformationist.

http://www.benfrank.net/disinfo/

Bhakti, are you angry about something? I am sorry if people have been talking over your posts.I know that happens but I just think it's because we are all focused on getting our individual ideas out, I don't think it's personal.

I don't think Korea will go off until after the 1st of the year and I'm not sure it will initially be toward the US. They can accomplish their purposes (like they did in the 50's) by attacking S. Korea or Japan first. They have a Mars square Moon aspect and that sure makes them touchy and volitile, particularly when Uranus comes back around in 2007 to set that aspect off.

A very good assessment of N Korea and where they are and what might set them off. I don't think there is any doubt that both Bush and Kim are operating off of father complexes and ego, with a very dangerous tendency to want to set the world on fire.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15265432/site/newsweek/

No, not really angry at anyone specific on AW.
Take my Kassnadraisms anyway you wish.

However, talking about gardening on an astrosite when it was advised to us to do so (distracting off topic) a while back when our Joe was trolling, is not so cool. It's just more of the same denial, hero worship and Big Daddyism that has gotten us into a pretty pickle in the first place. I have come across alot of information that has shown to me that the ones who plug themselves constantly, or their own websites, those who do not particiapate in the community but only write in when it's about their agendas (the agendas that their company is paying them for, such as Novogate) is a BIG clue.
During my lurking period I've become shocked by the nonsense and distraction, bad links, obvious mistakes or freudian mistakes, and game playing by those who go as internet journalists, lawyers ,democracy advocates. Really, do some research, there's alot out there on their backgrounds that do not add up to honesty.
It's so close to election time and these bums really screw with our minds and promote volatile reactionism while they quietly sit in some office pulling our chains. THAT makes me angry.

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America is finally revolting against the Republicans
Sex, money and Iraq are a triple-whammy of reasons for voters to turn against President George Bush and his party

Andrew Rawnsley in Washington
Sunday October 15, 2006

Observer

It is one of George Bush's favourite frat boy pranks to grab people in a neck lock. That is appropriate because he and his party have had a stranglehold on America. The Republicans have occupied the White House since 2001. They've controlled the House of Representatives and for most of the time, the Senate as well. Thanks to the appointments made by Bush, the Supreme Court belongs to the right too.
Karl Rove, the grand wizard of strategy known as 'Bush's brain', seemed close to realising his ambition to create a Republican hegemony that would last for a generation. He had a dream of turning America into a one-party state and it was a dream that looked like becoming all too real. A country founded on the idea of the separation of powers has rarely witnessed such a concentration of might in the hands of one party.

Such hubris is always the midwife to nemesis. Suddenly that Republican domination is beginning to crack. This autumn the tectonic plates of American politics are beginning to shift under the feet of President Bush and an increasingly desperate Republican party. When I spoke to Stan Greenberg, the hugely experienced political consultant for the Democrats, he predicted an 'earthquake' in the mid-term elections for a third of the Senate and all of the House of Representatives. Even more tellingly, the Republicans themselves sound very scared that angry voters are about to punish them with a thrashing. Thomas Davis, a Virginian Congressman who is one of his party's most senior strategists, talks about the Republicans losing as many as 30 seats in the House, which would put that half of Congress into the hands of the Democrats for the first time in 12 years.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329601383-102273,00.html

Thanks for the input and article on N. Korea, Sally.

Bhakti, I think I get your drift. I myself have no problem sharing survival and self-sufficiency info like gardening, or the meaning of spiritual symbols. I much prefer important news & political articles and discussions but it's a good idea to break it up, and also nice to get to know people here a little bit. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by hero worship, but I think we have to be really careful of misinformation and manipulated info whether it's put out there by Karl Rove, polls, or people indulging in wishful thinking, etc. Can't believe everything we read and hear.

So sorry if I've offended! I'm just trying to keep my sanity! I saw a rerun of the memorial service at the National Cathedral, held on 9/14/01, on a Link TV show, and realized that I had read this present outcome, from the body language of the major players back then.
I have attended the 2 functions for our Democratic Senate candidate against Snowe, and an Independant running against Baldacci for Governor, beyond that, there is no community to get involved with! We have serious local issues an I show up faithfully to vote then, but I am basically shunned for being outspoken and trying to get Kerry elected!
Most of the people around here are just NOT evolved!
If I were looking for a way to kill time I could hang with them, but at this point in my life, I have more to do, than I can handle! Certainly none of them could have come up with any idea about the symbol!I am trying valiently to get to my artwork, but my physical body gets tired and I sit down at the computer seeking a little companionship. I am focusing on gardening for future artwork and also concerned that it is something people have forgotten how to do and are going to need to know!
After I wrestle up; the heavyh piece of cement board and tile it, ( so I can have my woodstove delivered) and cover my shed with a new 12' x14' tarpelin, the worst of it is behind me.
And no I CAN'T LEAVE! My house would only sell for 1/4 of what I would have to pay for another.........and most rents are now more than my pension!
QOP

Bhakti-after what you said I went back and read,carefully, the links you offered. Thank you.
I was sad to read the newtopia is no longer although the archives will keep me busy.
Still, I like the posts on gardening, etc.
Yes, we all need to be awake and questioning.

6.6 earthquake in Hawaii- check out the Haarp monitor: http://137.229.36.30/cgi-bin/riometer/riom2_sel.cgi?latest=on&quickPlot=on

Peg - I know what HAARP is and what they 'say' it does but don't understand the graph. Was it active around the time of the earthquake? I know it's been responsible for some gigantic power blackouts.

Anxiety Blog 10-15-06
by Mike Whitney | Oct 15 2006 - 2:55pm

One small footnote: Prensa Latina News Agency reports that “Luis D. Elia, Undersecretary for the Social Habitat in the Argentine Federal Planning Ministry, issued a memo in which he spoke of the purchase by Bush of a 98,842 acre farm in Northern Paraguay, between Brazil and Bolivia”. (Oct 13)

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/1743
I couldn't substantiate this....but here are other postings by the blog
More on the parguayan farm

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/HH04Aa01.html
http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/view/2479/1/140/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20051024-103422-6510r.htm
Wretched Refuse | Oct 15 2006 - 7:28pm |
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The Rev. Sun Myung Moon also known as the Messiah
Ill Duce 12/31/2005 13:25

Is it by coincidence that the Rev. Moon owns approximately 1.5 Million acres in the Chaco province. Is it also coincidence that the government of Paraguay has moved to appropriate his land in the name of agrarian reform? Is it also coincidence that Moons "paper" the Washington Times is still a hotbed of anti-communist demogogues?

Maybe the move by this administration is less about the leftist solidarity in South America and more about helping out a true friend and sycophant.

My question is this?

Why does the Messiah need the help of the US Army.
Can't he just twitch his nose or blink his eyes and make everything better?

I posted 3 links re: R Sun Moon a a while back.....( Oct 12 8:11pm ) one of them stated that he gave Kim Jung Il a $ 3 Mil B-day present just a few years ago and his ( Moon's) birthdate Jan. 6 1920, in NORTH KOREA! He is building a Holy Land in his home town there. That pertained to both politics and astrology..................But nobody seemed inclined to discuss it!??? I thought it was pretty important!
QOP

No offense taken from you PatQ and thanks clymela.

There is so much out there to distract that it is very easy to get distracted. Noticed the board got so quiet. But it's the weekend, right?

SYMoon is all over; the Tush Family embrace him as well. Wonder if the Chimp and KJI are buds? Wonder if they all sit back stage somewhere, knocking down a few and laughing at us and at our fear and frustration.

There was a really tacky reality show on last summer that pitted 20 somethings from rich families against poor working stiff 20 somethings to win $200,000. Actually, I learned something from it as a case study in social behavior. Moon's daughter was the first to get kicked out of the house they all shared. All of her billions did not cheer her up. She was sulky, bitter and dark, felt like a loser. Had to hand it to her how honest she was telling the world how she did not like herself. She actually saw through the BS of it all and yet did not have any tools to lift her spirit from within. Sad. Paint your heart out PatQ.

THE Moon Bhakti? He has a daughter who was on a silly TV show?
SHe should be able to see through the BS, she's had a front row seat!

I still have a lot of things to do before I can paint..........I have to heave the tarp on the shed roof & tack it down.....winter before last Eric and I were out in howling snow storms, stapling it and when that didn't stay, resorted to roofing nails.which worked. But now the tarp has rotted and shredded.and I have paintings stored there so it must be done! Then I have to do the cement board, & tile so I can have the wood stove delivered. And use it!
Also have to do a proposal for a mural for the 1% art for a new school, through the Maine Arts Commission. Subject matter?
Gardening of course......... How can I do a design that will teach the kids, by absorbing it.
visually?
QOP

QOP I cannot comment on the tarp because it sounds like a horrific job and makes me wish I could be there to help.

Interesting about Moon's connection to KJIl, you can bet that if Moon gets involved or has gotten involved the bushes will not strike NK because he owns the bushes. I did read your articles but I have followed Moon since he was in Denver and kicked out in the early 70's Denver police considered his group a cult and him a nut. Now look at him. Ugh. I know about his being crowned the Savior, in the Dirkson building no less with Dems and GOP there to carry his robes.

It's a fascinating question of "how to create a design that will teach by absorbing" I'm not an artist at all but I wonder about the obvious "culture child" from each country with something about that culture they could write on the tile. I am sure I've just given a ridiculous suggestion, but thought I would throw it out, trusting this board will forgive my lack of artistic talent.

It is a quiet weekend, don't know if that should scare us or not. I noticed in Hawaii their Uranus is at 17 Leo and the Moon is conj today, Neptune oppose and Mercury square. I would say they don't realize how deep the problem is.

Morgana, who has an expertise in earthquakes and volcano's said she heard them say that the Island, built on volcano ash is just sinking by its shear weight. This earthquake didn't happen along a fault line.

Gee I wish you could come help with the tarp! Of all my elderly friends here I am the most agile! Part of the neocon problem is boxing the generations separately! ( In another time ^& place there were younger agile vounteers to do things like this.
I will do it , it just takes longer...........and I have to stop & rest at my computer
I heard the same thing as Morgana. That it was the result of that end of the island sinking under it's weight! SunBear got that one right too. His map of Hawaii, has an earthquake symbol right where it happened!
QOP

"Sunbear?"I've had my head so down on my desk with work the last several weeks (over in two days) that I missed Sunbear I think. Did he predict this earthquake, and I do wish I was there to help you, I am one of those people who are rugged as well.

Here is a link and a snappet to a long con article on the NAU. http://pesn.com/2006/09/29/9500242_NorthAmericanUnion_and_energy/Political Tectonic Shift: Energy Policy under the NAU

Traditional combustion-energy paradigm is over-represented at secret high-level negotiations under North American Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP). Scheduled to begin to exercise power authority by 2007, the SPP will place three nations in the continent under “harmonized” laws and a unified administration. If that is not stopped – and we appear to be past the tipping point – will any of us recognize our society? And will it still be possible to shift the energy paradigm under such a political paradigm shift?

Tim - It's my feeling this whole North American Union thing is why Bushco has been so insistent on his 'guest worker' program. They are busy creating a 'slave' class. Have you noticed that the majority of the jobs left in this country are 'service' jobs? Jobs that we can perform to serve those who have it all and want to be taken care of. Lawn service, waitress/waiter, hotel maids, fast food places. All jobs that have to be performed in place, can't be outsourced, have very low pay and no benefits. Sure there are some jobs left that aren't in the service sector but for how long? I'm not at all happy with this SPP deal. It hasn't even been brought up in Congress! There is not only no oversight on this one but, unless they listen to Lou Dobbs or read some of the websites, they don't have any knowledge of it at all and don't seem to want to know. The construction on the super, duper highway has already begun in TX and they're working on passing the $$$ for it here in OK - very under the table.

From an email from http://www.worldcantwait.net.

To the World Can’t Wait Community:

On Tuesday, October 17 at 9:35 a.m., President Bush will sign the Military Commissions Act (S. 3930) at the White House. In response, Tuesday is No Torture In Our Name! Day.

WEAR ORANGE
Wear orange armbands with "NO TORTURE" written on them.

T-shirts at our online store (call 866-973-4463 for bulk rates).

Banner on freeways “No Torture! Drive Out the Bush Regime!”

As close to 9:30 am as possible, take an hour and head to your local Post Office, coffee shop, or bookstore with copies of the ad below:

Text from World Can't Wait's ad in the New York Times October. 4. Click here to see the fullpage ad.

SILENCE + TORTURE = COMPLICITY
“Can’t the United States see that when we allow someone to be tortured by our agents, it is not only the victim and the perpetrator who are corrupted, not only the ‘intelligence’ that is contaminated, but also everyone who looked away and said they did not know, everyone who consented tacitly to that outrage so they could sleep a little safer at night, all the citizens who did not march in the streets by the millions to demand the resignation of whoever suggested, even whispered, that torture is inevitable in our day and age, that we must embrace its darkness?”
Ariel Dorfman, “Are We Really So Fearful?”

YOUR GOVERNMENT HAS NOW CODIFIED TORTURE. The new law does not prohibit the government from using “alternative interrogation techniques” that include sleep deprivation, extreme cold, personal degradation, waterboarding (simulated drowning), “temporary” disablement, and psychological disorientation. The new law grants George Bush the sole authority to decide what torture is. Abu Ghraib and the secret renditions were horrible. But to take the next step and write such practices into law is even worse — qualitatively worse.

Your government has officially shredded constitutional promises of basic and fundamental rights to due process — taking a huge step towards replacing the rule of law with the arbitrary rule of men. The new law will give the president the right to hold people indefinitely without charging them, and without review from the courts, nullifying habeas corpus rights. Congress has now passed legislation that denies defendants the right to see evidence used against them, and allows the use of “evidence” gained through torture. It forbids anyone to invoke the Geneva Conventions in any civil case or habeas corpus proceedings undertaken against the U.S. government, and, according to some experts, it may also forbid this in criminal cases.

Your government – which already holds over 14,000 people overseas without charges — has dramatically expanded the scope of who it can detain to include people anywhere in the world, including within the U.S. People can now be declared an “unlawful enemy combatant” simply for providing what the president decides is “material,” including financial or indirect support for hostilities against the U.S.

Your government is rewriting the law on crimes against humanity to exclude itself, incurring the contempt and hatred of people all over the planet.

Few in Congress made anything but the most token show of opposition , as leading Democrats let Bush set the agenda, staying silent when it mattered, refusing to filibuster, then voting no only when the die was cast.

This unprecedented legalization of torture is part of a package coming from the Bush regime. That package includes an atrocious, nightmarish occupation of Iraq and now the ominous threat of war against Iran. It includes an assault on critical thinking and serious motion toward a theocracy. It includes the criminal response to Hurricane Katrina. It includes a systematic attack on women’s reproductive rights, and the demonization of gay people and denial of their basic human rights. It includes the scapegoating of immigrants and severely repressive new legislation aimed at them.

And it gets worse with every passing week. As the call for The World Can’t Wait–Drive Out the Bush Regime states: “The Bush regime is setting out to radically remake society very quickly, in a fascist way, and for generations to come.” With this legalization of torture, who will now deny that? The stakes are clearly enormous.

If Not Now, When? If Not Us, Who?

THIS MUST HALT! This entire package must be repudiated, and the whole direction of this country must be reversed.

There is a way to act against this onslaught, effectively. There is a vitally important step to take now to begin driving out this regime and reversing this nightmare direction:
Join in raising the demand to DRIVE OUT THE BUSH REGIME.

“The point is this: history is full of examples where people who had right on their side fought against tremendous odds and were victorious. And it also full of examples of people passively hoping to wait it out, only to get swallowed up by a horror beyond what they ever imagined. WHICH ONE WE GET IS UP TO US.” — From the call “The World Can’t Wait! Drive Out the Bush Regime!”

Debra Sweet
National Coordinator, The World Can’t Wait – Drive Out the Bush Regime

Tim, the energy paradigm has already been shifted it's the direction that is still unknown because there are X factors they cannot factor in, most of them weather/earth related. Neither the Dems or the GOP are trustworthy on any of this. One thing for sure is the "masses' will pay for their deeds in money, jobs, health, all of it. They are hell-bent on the New World Order and they have a lot of things in place to accomplish it, not unlike the conditions prior to the revolutionary war. Then it was the British, Dutch, German and French East India Companies and the Revolutionary war broke their hold on the world for nearly 100 years, it's taken them this long to get it back. And the snake goes round.

October 16, 2006
U.S. Firing Plans for Great Lakes Raise Concerns
By MONICA DAVEY

GRAND HAVEN, Mich., Oct. 10 — Even in autumn, the cold, silent expanse of Lake Michigan defines this town, where pleasure boats glide into harbor, fishermen wait patiently for salmon and tourists peer up at the lighthouse.

But the United States Coast Guard has a new mission for the waters off of these quiet shores. For the first time, Coast Guard officials want to mount machine guns routinely on their cutters and small boats here and around all five of the Great Lakes as part of a program addressing the threats of terrorism after Sept. 11.

And, for the first time in memory, Coast Guard members plan to use a stretch of water at least five miles off this Michigan shore — and 33 other offshore spots near cities like Cleveland; Rochester; Milwaukee; Duluth, Minn.; and Gary, Ind. — as permanent, live fire shooting zones for training on their new 7.62 mm weapons, which can blast as many as 650 rounds a minute and send fire more than 4,000 yards.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/16/us/16lakes.html?ei=5094&en=0ef79bfa96ef3e61&hp=&ex=1161057600&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print

Yes Sally,
The back of Sun Bear's Black Dawn Bright Day, has maps of the world with symbols indicating problems to come. Off Hawaii he has indicated food shortages for Kauai, climate changes and severe storms, Molokai & Lanai, below that on the mainisland of Hawaii volcanic activity,earthquake and financial difficulty.
Colorado: severe pollution in the north, mid to western part of the state, stay away from Denver, safe haven southwestern part of the state. California.......Bodega Bay down the entire coast is threatened by seismic activitie. He advises, stear clear of Sacramento, SF, LA, & SD, but the Northern portion of the state is a safe haven.
Speaking of such things.Tseka hasn't posted for quite awhile, hope you are safe and busy painting!
Shadowhawk, avoid Oklahoma City, there will be severe storms in the north east of the state, but no drought as in Kansas & Texas.
All of Maine is a safe haven. I guess that's why I landed here and can deal with the unevoved! Not much in day to day conversation, but I think will come thru in a crisis!
The armed coast guard on the great Lakes seems at odds with the NAU???? Guess we will be the tyrant in that situation.
QOP

They've just about reached their primary objective in Eye-Rack (remember Snarly's little map?):
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/10/16/7037/6105

RARE COSMIC EVENT-OCTOBER 17-18

“We have a rare Cosmic event occurring on October 17th and 18th that will give us a jump-start in manifesting the things we would like to cocreate in our own lives and on this planet. There is going to be an ultraviolet pulse beam from higher dimensions than we have previously been able to experience crossing the path of Earth.

We will be held in the embrace of this highly charged ultraviolet beam of Light for approximately 17 hours. The energy emanating from this beam resonates with Humanity's 5th-Dimensional Solar Heart Chakras.”

From Era of Peace
by Patricia Diane Cota-Robles

More . . .
http://www.1spirit.com/eraofpeace/1st.html

MAGNIFICATION OF LIGHT - OCTOBER 17-18

From Messages from Matthew:

..."In this light, literally, I shall reply to the questions about the remarkable universal event expected October 17th. Yes indeed, this is “for real”! The magnification of light during those hours is of extreme importance to your individual and planetary progression, and we urge all of you to concentrate on your heart’s desire for self and Earth, on love and peace and the god-ness of every soul."

More. . .
http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=63&z=2

Ummm...Shadowhawk....

The super highway in Texas has not been started on. As far as I know it will never happen. Lots of really pissed off people making that go away.

24 lane super highway in Houston is happening though.

according to a poll by the New York Times and CBS News 80% of Americans think the Bush mobsters lied about what he knew about 9/11 in this

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/13469

"Only 16 per cent of respondents say the government headed by U.S. president George W. Bush is telling the truth on what it knew prior to the terrorist attacks, down five points since May 2002."

Moon is primarily a member of the neocon family. He is their sugardaddy. Moon has been working on his plan for over fifty years in the open. He is a good friend of the Bush family. Moon is internaionally disliked by most sane people.

Also Moon has spoken publicly about bringing down the great satan, which for him is the United States of America. He has also bought up great tracts of land in several countries, much of it though has been taken back from him and his people are viewed with disdain.

QDP - thanks for the heads up. I live about 60 miles north of OKC. OKC is where they had that class 5 tornado that took out a lot of real estate. It was huge! Glad I wasn't there but the friends I have there were safe.

Cybear - I thought that the 24-lane highway in Houston was the start of the highway network. If it goes through, which I hope it doesn't, it will pass right by where I live - which means I won't be living here after that because it would be less than a mile from my house and that's unacceptable. The folks around here see the $$$ and that's about it.

Shadowhawk, the highway in Houston is it's own entity. Instead of doing rail lines they are building this nightmare of a highway to the suburbs of Katy. Katy did not want to pay for a rail and Toad Delay hand his fingers in the mess as usual. But it's not part of the trans-continental hwy that they are trying to do. The whole state of Tx is against that debacle. The cities San Antonio, Austin, Temple, Waco, DFW are fighting it.

Cybear - glad to hear TX is mostly against that road because OK is mostly in a fog about it. But then what else is new? Please, no PK jokes - I think I've heard them all - some even true! :-)

my 6th sense is not 100%, lunaoscura, but more than 50% on track, so let us see.After the total
trouncing of cons in Nov., investigations by Democrats will reveal much much more than what we
have been led to believe so far and that can lead
to 75 deja vu in 2007.

Raj,

Even as jaded as we are now you're right that we will be deeply shocked at what will be revealed in time.

About Bush purchasing 100,000 acres in Paraguay, does anyone know if Paraguay has an extradition treaty that doesn't allow it to return criminals to the US because the US uses the death penalty? There are lots of countries that even now won't send Al Qaeda criminals here for that reason. If Bush and his mob and their families go there then no one will send them back here if that's the case.

lunaoscura,

We all know that the thief is a rowdy big coward
but I doubt if he is such a coward to run to Paraguay, as the impeachment proceedings begin; after all he can follow a precedent and copy a playbook page from tricky dick and give a latenight speech for his audience resign next day wave off to obscurity for the last time
from Air Force One.

Raj,

I'm just speculating about the rumor that they've bought so much land in Paraguay. Bush himself might be able to get away with crimes against humanity by being pardoned by our next President or by claiming something like Executive Privilege or something, but what about his siblings, and nieces and nephews, and his brother Jeb? What about Alberto Gonzalez' and his family, and so on.

He has a lot of brothers in crime who don't have his privileges.

lunaoscura,

Democrats will only put the thief,his asst.crooked
dick and this administration on the dock but his
brothers, nephews and nieces have nothing to worry
about for their crimes since they're not on the radar.We do know his one bro, Neil got away with
savings loan scam. The BEST news is that jeb won't
be on line to steal WH in 08/2012/16/20.

from http://www.thecosmicpath.com/index2.htm

I have been asked a lot about the Star Gate tomorrow, and I have received much in the way of information on the event. It IS a STAR GATE. That means there will most definitely be intergalactic information pouring into our Solar system, and all intergalactic information comes into the Milky Way through the Galactic Center, which has Pluto very close to it at the moment. This means that all the news we are receiving is being filtered through the planet of metamorphosis. So whatever we are being downloaded with, it is changing the substance and the course of the world.

That said, I am putting up on the site some of the information I have received. I must say the idea that we will have the power to receive and interpret and activate our ideas with A MILLION TIMES the energy we normally have available to us seems a bit over the top to me. Still, I am sure there is a powerful, perhaps imperceptible to the human senses, amping up of the energies that are swirling around us tomorrow, and as you will see when you read the articles I have chosen to put up, they are of vital importance for us to put our focus on. Please Click here to view this information. These articles will be available to all today and tomorrow, and then can be found in the member’s ezine for the rest of the month. As always, I welcome your comments.

The Moon connects with Jupiter and Saturn this morning EDT, bringing up the individual critical turning point each of us is undertaking with regard to our social identities right now. This crucial social transformation has been going on all year and is about to culminate in the final Jupiter Saturn square, slated for October 25th. The Moon today will connect with Saturn and square Jupiter, making it crystal clear what is necessary for each of us to do to accomplish our personal task and make it to the next level of our social evolutionary process. This is no time to disregard the signs and inner urges that are flooding your senses.

Later in the afternoon the Moon connects with the Sun, Pluto and Mars, all of which are energies related to personal power, especially when taken together. Get your energies aligned today, in preparation for the major StarGate that will open tomorrow. And if you haven’t read about it yet, please click on the link above right now and do so.

The Moon goes void this afternoon for the entire evening. It’s the perfect night for some spiritual homework. Allow the Goddess in you to take over. That is, open your heart and allow your personal power, in the form of your Light, to emerge from within and connect with the universal forces that have come to help us make our way home. The old adage Home is where the Heart is never had so much meaning.

"Nurture your mind with great thoughts, for you will never go any higher than you think."
Benjamin Disraeli

Tell me this isn't a sign of what's to come after Pluto moves into Capricorn: Creating new structures to contain chaos...

Wikipedia founder plans rival
By Richard Waters in San Francisco
Published: October 16 2006

One of the founders of Wikipedia is days away from launching a rival to the collaborative internet encyclopaedia, in an attempt to bring a more orderly approach to organising knowledge online.

Wikipedia – which is available to be written and edited by anyone on the internet – is one of the most visible successes of mass collaboration on the web, with many of its 1.4m articles appearing high in search results.

However, its openness has also drawn charges of unreliability and left it vulnerable to disputes between people with opposing views, particularly on politically sensitive topics.

The latest venture from Larry Sanger, who helped create Wikipedia in 2001, is intended to bring more order to this creative chaos by drawing on traditional measures of authority. Though still open to submissions from anyone, the power to authorise articles will be given to editors who can prove their expertise, as well as a group of volunteer “constables”, charged with keeping the peace between warring interests.

Accusing Wikipedia of failing to control its writers and editors, he said: “The latest articles don't represent a consensus view – they tend to become what the most persistent ‘posters’ say.”...He said he became frustrated with Wikipedia's failure to build expertise into its editing process and left after its first year....

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/e62ce8a4-5d3e-11db-9d15-0000779e2340.html

Some years back there was a Time article about billionaires like Ted Turner buying land in Patagonia and building retreats there. The story was that these billionaires thought that the ecology was so out of balance that soon there would be wars for basic necessities thus they were planning to go where the masses couldn't get to them. I guess they all think that they will have enough of the necessities to cover them until jesus comes to get them.

Blair, Blair, Blair ... get thee gone!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=410345&in_page_id=1770

Even if Bush is pardoned by his successor, he could still be prosecuted by the global community, if it bands together to impose crippling sanctions against the US for refusing to comply with international law.

Put another way, had Hitler survived, he would have most certainly been tried at Nuremberg for War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity, even if the succeeding German Chancellor had pardoned him.

The collective will of the global community ultimately trumps that of any nation, even the US. After all, with so much of our debt owned by China, India, Japan and Europe, it's not like we're really in much of a position to negotiate our way out of a corner anymore.

Before all is said and done, Americans should be clamoring for the International Criminal Court to come and take Bush, Cheney and Co. away to The Hague.

Go to the 3 posts I put up re: the farm in Paraguay. While none verifies the Bush purchase, there is a lot of info about what is going on there......resurection of the School of the Americas in that spot, And there was something about the extradition laws; ;......I think! MAybe that was a separate comment by a Smirking Chimp blogger. It was the article by Mike Whitney,
Confession.I didn't read it all, I am too busy multi- tasking, ( the old tarp is striped off) the brain is on overload.....or as my 4 year old Grandson would call it "brain freeze"!
QOP

OH! There is a huge underground aquifer there!~
And lots of natural resources..................can't make any money cutting brush on a Texas pigfarm!

How's that Grandchild Sally?
QOP

THE PRESIDENT OF Israel was arrested today for sexual coertion, threatening to fire female employees who won''t have sex with him,!
Another upstanding moral role model!
QOP

Sally, your posting of Hawaii's Uranus being at 17 Leo brought me up short (that's my North Node, and I was born there)....but what is it based on? Statehood? My grandmother was born there in 1885 or 86 when it was a monorchy, and I was born there when it had been a territory....

As for the unusual earthquake, it came from the earth's crust 'flexing' downward under the extreme weight of millenia of lava rock deposited upon the earths mantle beneath the islands. Has nothing to do with the plate shift, which is ALSO happening, plus the new little Liohi coming up off the south west corner of the Big Island....in 15,000 years it will be above water. Must write that down in my 'to do' list...visit it then.

One thing both my daughter and I have noticed over the last week is the enormous amount of dead road kill....today I saw a deer, there have been just an extraordinary amount of raccoon dead on the road. Haven't seen anything like it before.

Except just before an earthquake.

Oct 17 is the anniversary of the Loma Preita earthquake in 1989. I am wondering if that 'earthflex' was giving off sound we can't hear but which interfered in some way with animal brains.

Personally, I am glad for a little RandR from the damned political stuff. I am suffereing from political fatigue. And not too hopeful about the election because of the voter machine stuff...

Lets just hope the chickens still will be coming home to roost....for all the jerks out there who are jerks. What a weird time we live in.

If tomorrow is the day that Bush signs the torture bill and gets rid of the habeus corpus and it’s also the day the Star Gate is opened and all thoughts good or bad are returned a thousand-fold, how’s that going to impact Bush. If he’s happy as a clam about this bill, is it going to rebound positively on him? God, I hope not! Or will the bad-for-us purpose of the bill rebound on him and his? Just saying . . It’s all relative if you think about it. The Universe doesn't always operate in a way that suits our linear, 'sane' minds.

When Hawaii became a state which was 08/21/1959 10:10AM Honolulu Judi, that's where you find the 17Leo Uranus. Their Jupiter conj. my Sun/Venus, their Moon conj. my Moon and my Moon sits on their SN, their Pluto is on my NN and their Mercury conj. my Pluto. No wonder I fell in love with Hawaii.

Is this one of the countless... um, incidents where it is said "oh pashaw... boyz will be boyz!" Where oh where are the grownups?!

* TEL AVIV -- President Moshe Katsav failed to attend the opening of the parliament's winter session yesterday as he reeled from the threat of a rape prosecution--just the latest in a wave of scandals to rock the Israeli govt. ... http://washingtontimes.com/world/20061017-010752-7534r.htm

Well Shadowhawk, there are probably a few billion people around the world that want nothing more than a complete and decisive, immediate end to Bush and his regime. That's a lot of energy, for good or ill, directed primarily at one man. Can't say that I would want to be him.

Maybe the outcome of that energy gets modified today (million x 3-5 billion) and will reflect in the outcome of the elections on November 7th?

I doubt if Bush is truly worried, and Cheney is far too arrogant to admit it, but Rove knows (or ought to know) that Rep. John Conyers with a Democratic House Majority and investigative power spells the end of Bush's unchecked power. I'm sure he's thrilled about that prospect. I certainly am.

Sally, interesting! thank you for this site. The pendulum swings. The lower on the pendulum the more swing or being lost in the reactionary forest. The higher up the pendulum, the greater the perspective and the greater the choices of how to respond. Astroworld is a perspective builder............Pluto is transiting USA hse 1 (self perception) of sag. On 12/07/06 Tr Jup will conj Tr Pluto at 28* in Sag. What happens then? Or is that another thread?.....................Organizations tend to have 3 phases. 1: Idea people 2: Process people (putting ideas to work) 3: Controlling people, where idea and process people quit and controlling people kill the organization....The dirge is being practiced....Idea people, up the pendulum, are readying themselves.

Oops...12/10/07 Jupiter catches Pluto......Nameste T

Tim, that is a fantastic analogy "idea people, process people, controlling people" Did you get that from "The Tipping Point?" You are absolutely correct, that is the process and we are coming back around to the "idea people" If we think of what's happening in those terms I don't think people will be so frightened of the process. I have an all day leadership conference and won't be back until tonight, but I hope this thread continues. Excellent Tim, just excellent.

October 17, 2006
Cheney Feels the Love as He Hits the Heartland

By MARK LEIBOVICH
TOPEKA, Kan., Oct. 12 — Grace Mosier lives with her mom and dad, goes to birthday parties, takes ballet classes and is just like a lot of other 6-year-old girls. Except that she happens to be obsessed with Dick Cheney.

“I really, really like him,” says Grace, who can tell you what state the vice president was born in (Nebraska), where he went to grade school (College View, in Lincoln) and the names of his dogs (Dave and Jackson). She gets her fix of Cheney fun-facts by visiting the White House Web site for children. It says there that his favorite teacher was Miss Duffield and that he used to run a company called Halliburton.

So when Mr. Cheney came to town Thursday, Grace was at Forbes Field, holding a little American flag and a sign that said, “Welcome, Mr. Vice President, pet Dave and Jackson for me.” She watched him get off Air Force Two, step into a car and speed off to a fund-raiser.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/17/washington/17cheney.html?ei=5094&en=29fd0b2552851cd2&hp=&ex=1161144000&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print

I like the idea people theme, too.

That poor little Grace has already had her sensory recepters sabotaged, by family. Just likt the little 5 year old boy I witnessed here in MAine.
After takeout lunch on a 95o scorcher day, he wanted to go swmming. Trusty ol' Dad said, " I don't think so. It's TOO COLD to swim today!"
Sitting there with persperation dripping off my forehead into my frnch fries, my jaw dropped open!
That's one reason it's so hard to sell artwork these day. The control people miss the point and go for the pistures of 3 apples all in a tidy row!
Bring on the ideas & the idea people!
QOP

Hmmm.....

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2006/oct/17/ct_sen_schlesinger_hits_lieberman_at_debate

Is "control people" the new nice name for the plain old fashioned blown-out psychotic? If so, it doesn't do it near justice.

"idea people, process people, controlling people"

First came Jesus, teaching love. Then came the Apostles, teaching what Jesus taught and meant. Then came religion with popes, ministers and mouthpieces preaching hate and fear.

Yup! That's exactly how it happens!

That's it!
And those control folka over at CNN are making a Big Blowout celebration about reaching the 300,000 population mark! Double or nothing in the next 20 years!
QOP

Not to worry! I think mother nature and human nature will take care of the population problem here fairly soon. Be a toss up to see who can do the most damage first but I think it will happen.

Sally...thanks for the info....Hawaii became a state at the same time my dad (who lived there in the early '30's in the army, so that was a Saturn return for him) was operated on for the cancer which killed him 9/11/60.

I am glad you have so many 'agreements' with the state of Hawaii, although I don't think I feel that anymore for myself, it has changed too much....I would have to think that mine would have been when it was declared a territory...and for my grandmother, when it was officially a monarchy...damned if I know when that would have been! But we sure know when it ended, with the US overthrowing it.

to expand this thread, I happened upon this site about political changes which is very interesting...the cycles of change.
http://crab.rutgers.edu/~goertzel/fourthturning.htm

check it out:
DeMause immerses himself in images from the mass media and modifies his theory to incorporate new insights as he goes along. One idea, developed in his study of Jimmy Carter's Presidency, is that the group's confidence in its leader goes through four regular stages, which can, but need not be, seen as metaphors for the birth process. DeMause believes that people have memories of fetal events, such as shortages of oxygen from the placenta, and of the birth process, which persist into adulthood and shape political views. He makes an interesting historical case for this argument, but it is hard to see how it relates to historical shifts in the zeitgeist since the birth process does not change much from one decade to another. In fact, they fit well with the four years of an American Presidential term, which reflects DeMause's intense interest in day-to-day American politics. His four stages are as follows:
STRONG The first year of a leader's term. Media images stress the strength of the leader and the nation. The leader is a container for the group's fantasy of strength and safety.
CRACKING The group's feeling of strength and safety weakens, there is an increase in scapegoating to avoid blaming the leader, and the group's boundaries seem to be cracking or crumbling.
COLLAPSE Intense anxiety about the collapse of the group's fantasy of strength leads to rage against the leader.
UPHEAVAL A "group-psychotic insight" identifies a "delusional poisoner" who is the target for the group's rage. The delusional poisoner may be the leader, who may be ritually killed, or it may be an external enemy who can be provoked and attacked. Failing these groups, the nation may become suicidal, sacrificing poisoned elements of itself to an outside enemy.

So, I'd say maybe we'd better get CRACKING?

wv, that has to be the most disturbing article I've read this month.

I have this image now in my head of a little girl anxiously waiting with a flower in hand to greet, none other than... Darth Vader.

But even more realistically, Adolf Hitler had plenty of his own supporters among children, though most of them, too, probably didn't know any better at the time.

Hopefully, when she's older, this girl, too, see things with wider eyes. And maybe by that time, Cheney and all he represents will be little more than a memory. A dark one, certainly, but one that none of us should ever forget.

By the way, I have a question of the politically active and saavy people here like QOP.

When I call my Senator or Congressman's office to ask them to support or negate a certain bill, I always say this is Sharon _____ from New Orleans. They say they will pass the word along, etc., but get off the phone so quickly, I doubt if they are writing my name down. What actually happens when you phone in and is there anything more I can do to insure they take note of my position and/or request?

I don't get the population celebration, either. We have too many people, and too few resources to keep growth up for growth's sake alone in the US. But I guess it goes hand-in-hand with our apparent love of suburban sprawl, bigger and bigger houses, and congested highways, all of which seem to be hallmarks of the Pluto in Sagittarius era. These themes seem to be particularly emphasised here in the US because of this country's Sag ascendant and Pluto presently transiting the natal US First House.

I suspect that blind optimism is going to turn a lot more practical and serious over the next two years, as Pluto moves into Capricorn. Maybe then, we'll get serious about imposing practical limits on growth.

A reminder that today is October 17th, the day that our thoughts are magnified something like 1 million fold. Be love, light, truth and compassion.

Hello all, have been in lurking mode for sometime - building our new house has, and continues to be, a challenge. Thanks so much Sally and others for your continued writing and comments. I do enjoy this oasis from the madness.

The Hawaii earthquake was just off the west coast where I used to live - most unusual to have one that large centered there. That said, any quakes centered there always seemed to me to be quite different in feel to those coming from near the active volcano on the other side of the island.
From what I have seen from photos posted online by the local newspaper http://www.westhawaiitoday.com and emails from friends, the rocking and rolling must have been considerable. I experienced the 7.2 earthquake in November 1975 which was centered on the Hilo side. From what I remember there was not that much damage in West Hawaii, although there were only a couple of hotels and a much smaller population back then. Most of the damage then was generated by the small to moderate local tidal wave.

Back to politics - Sat in Leo the fall of Kings eh? One can only hope. Parliament here has been behaving like a bunch of children throwing tantrums and scandals abound. The latest outrage is Helen Clark's govt was caught by the auditor general. It seems they overspent taxpaper dollars by a considerable amount to get elected and have been told they (the labor party) must pay the money back - if donations are not received, individual MP's will have to cough up. Taxes here are incredibly high, (shrinking middle class here too) and a huge financial surplus has been found.
Now Labor is trying to fasttrack retroactive legislation to make the overspending legal, which will force the taypayers to pick up the tab. Sounds like a bushie tactic - change the law to make an illegal act legal to avoid consequences.

And now Australia's PM (hand in hand with bushie)is looking to implement nuclear power and our dear PM has 'no comment' to make. I think NZ is most definitely in the phase of 'contolling' people.
NZ, and the Labor party has prided themselves in keeping this part of the globe non-nuclear in past years. More proof that the global 'fix' is in.
Just an afternote that got my attention, Parliament itself has always been called 'the beehive,' but this morning I was very surprised to hear tv journalists calling wellington govt circles 'the beltway' which is the term for washington DC. hmmmmmm

The 3 phase idea was brought forward by Cliff Havener, for which I believe he should win a prize. He is another systems thinker. You can find articles about the idea here http://www.mtfreethinkers.org/people/Cliff_Havener.html He lists the title of his book there too......Keeping with the ideas theme, here is a link to my blog site. http://www.tagworld.com/captainbws What I haven't spoken of there yet is how a central idea or belief will gather around it a supporting set of ideas and synchronicities. So one must understand ideas are navigational in nature; or hehe, be careful what you ask for.....Probably irresponsible for me to leave out the navigational nature of questions too. The best known story illustrating this is about one village asking how to be sure people are dead when buried. They put spikes in the coffin lid. Another village asks how they can know if someone is ALIVE and attatch a bell to a string in the coffin....I think this story may actually be true.....So as not to be too off topic, Dane Rhudyar is a systems thinker too. It was his info convinced me the many correlates in astrology could be organized,understood in a systems way.....Happy snails, Tim

Thanks Sally for the chart info for Hawaii. I've lived here for most of the last 20 years. I've tried to leave several times but always end up being drawn back. Now I see that the NNode in the state chart conjuncts my vertex, Venus conjuncts my Venus, Uranus two degrees from my Sun, the same for Mercury conjunct my Uranus, the Moon in the state chart trines my Saturn at 8Sag and Uranus at 8Leo, and the Sun in the state chart almost exactly conjuncts my Mars/Pluto conjunction at 29 Leo. I've always felt some deep connection here, especially here on the Big Island in Volcano. I saw the 1991 solar eclipse from the SW rift zone overlooking Halemaumau, the main caldera of Kilauea. That eclipse fell in my 4th house, and when I was looking out across the crater at the eclipse I was also looking directly toward where I am now living (I was on Oahu then).

The quake on Sunday was certainly the strongest one I've felt though it did not seem that much stronger than a 5 point something that occurred up here in Volcano a couple of years ago. I thought "that's at least a five," but then I was thinking that it was likely centered up here near Kilauea. When I learned it was actually centered near the Kona airport, I knew that it had to be much bigger.

I've been expecting something like this since I noticed Pluto sitting exact on the Ascendant here on the Big Island at the time of the March 29 eclipse. The weeks surrounding the eclipse where quite stormy, there was the dam breaking on Kauai that took seven lives, and the flooding on Oahu that caused the sewage overflow that shut down Waikiki beach for a few weeks.

At the exact moment of the first quake (the 6.6) 7:07am Sunday, the Moon was at 11:28Leo, conjunct the state Mercury at 9:51Leo and, as you note, Uranus at 17:25Leo. It looks like the midpoint of transiting Moon and Saturn was exactly conjunct that Uranus. The Moon at the time of the quake was trine the eclipse of March 29 at 8:35Aries.

The Moon in the state chart is 8:19Aries!

Given the close connections between the eclipse and the state chart, I still think there may be something else coming around Dec 18 when the Sun conjuncts Pluto, just as Pluto returns to the exact point where it was at the time of the eclipse, sitting exact on the ascendant on the Big Island.

Hello, Timothy! Thanks so much for checking in, letting us know you are safe, and explaining the quake's astrological aspects so nicely. Take great care and (dare I say it?) stay grounded.

Thanks Shy . . . wishing you well too!

This is just really, really weird... I've been checking out the state chart ever since you posted the info Sally... and get this...

The new moon on Saturday at 28:40Lib conjoins the state Ascendant at 29:11Lib. That's interesting, I thought. So then I checked out what Maya wrote about this new moon:

"This New Moon sits exactly on Black Hole Pele. Venus and Mars are there as well. Alex Miller-Mignone says about black holes:

Black holes represent the principle of transubstantiation. They depict areas of susceptibility to dramatic, intense, sometimes violent, and usually unsuspected shifts in the status quo reality, shifts which leave their mark in rite-of-passage type situations. They further show points of energy influx or energy drain.

Furthermore, Pele makes an explosive T-square with black holes at the ends of two other cardinal signs, Cancer and Aries. The U.S. Pluto at 28 Capricorn completes a volatile grand cardinal cross.

Pele was an ancient Hawaiian goddess of volcanic fire. She personified the female power of destruction, and lived in a vast burrow beneath Mt. Kilauea, Hawaii’s most active volcano."
http://www.daykeeperjournal.com/calendar.shtml

Wow, that is really interesting isn't it? Did they name that black hole knowing it sits on the Ascendant in the state chart? That doesn't seem likely, but how did they come to name this particular black hole 'Pele'? Anyone have any thoughts on this? Wow, I'm still shaking my head on this one...

How does one figure out where the black holes are in one's chart? This is brand new and fascinating territory to me.

Great Blog, Tim. It has a real nice feel to it. I like the artwork very much and love your quote:

"Without a dream your life will be about your problems. You will push the river. With a dream, you CREATE a RIVER, flowing with synchronicities."

Where does it come from?

It’s a good thing I’m striving for peace and harmony today or this article could get me highly annoyed. Had to do some deep breathing as it was anyway. Brought up some things I’d never thought of. May the Great Karmic Ogre bite them all in the butt! There – that’s as harsh as I plan to get today. How does this fit with the astrological picture?

Why Bush Smiles: Victory is at Hand in Iraq

By Chris Floyd

10/17/06 "Information Clearing House" -- -- Despite George W. Bush's ostentatious bucking up of the Iraqi government yesterday, it is very likely that there will indeed be an American-engineered coup ousting Maliki and installing some sort of strongman-led "national unity government" in Baghdad soon, probably before the end of the year.

(Indeed, the very showiness of Bush's pledge of support – in a phone call supposedly initiated by Bush, then announced to the media – is a good indication of the decapitation to come. As JFK once told Gore Vidal: "When a politician says to you, 'Jack, if there's anything I can do for you, just let me know,' that means you're dead." And Maliki – installed in a Bush-backed internal party coup that toppled the previous prime minister, Ibrahim al-Jaafari, who was himself once a recipient of similar pledges of staunch White House support – is a dead man walking.)

The chief reason why Maliki and his government will be ousted is not the hell-storm of death and violence that is now devouring the country. The fact that every new day sees a hundred or more mutilated bodies dumped on the nation's streets, and pitched battles between sectarian militias, and multiple deaths of American troops, and mass flights of anguished Iraqi civilians running in fear for their lives is not a matter of any urgent concern to Bush and his warmakers. Indeed, there is much evidence that one of the prime instigators of the wanton killing is a group created and long nurtured by the Bush Administration itself: the Facilities Protection Service, an army of uniformed freebooters nearly 150,000 strong. (I'll be writing more on this later.) Of course, the violence is a political headache for the Bushists, because it generates bad press; but they don't care about it – it has no intrinsic meaning or emotional impact on those who are already responsible for the deaths of more than half a million Iraqis and more than 2,700 Americans.

No, what will likely bring on the coup is the December deadline for crafting a new oil law, which was imposed on Iraq by the International Monetary Fund, as part of the deal to write off some – but by no means all – of the nation's crushing debt. Given the current level of intense anti-American feeling in Iraq, and the overwhelming majority support among every sector of society for ending the occupation, and the overwhelming belief among Iraqis that the chief reason behind the invasion was to steal their oil, it is almost inconceivable that Maliki will be able to sign the new law, which essentially opens up Iraq's oil wealth to decades of despoliation by U.S. and European energy conglomerates. The Maliki government – already weak, incompetent and despised, as are all puppet regimes – could not possibly survive the political backlash that such a move would provoke.

more

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15328.htm

Cheney: ‘General Overall Situation’ In Iraq Is Going ‘Remarkably Well’

Rush Limbaugh interviewed Vice President Cheney on his show today. At one point, Limbaugh asked Cheney to respond to growing frustration over U.S. efforts in Iraq.

Cheney acknowledged there is a “natural level of concern out there” because fighting didn’t end “instantaneously.” (Next month, the war will have lasted longer than U.S. fighting in World War II.) Cheney then pointed to various news items to paint a positive picture of conditions in Iraq and concluded, “If you look at the general overall situation, they’re doing remarkably well.”

more

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/17/cheney-rush/

Has Cheney ever even been to Iraq? How does he know it's all going remarkably well? Does he get regular updates from Halliburton? Does he get to see things going well in secret so we'll be left in the dark thinking erroneously that everything is going to crap? Why doesn't he share his sources of information so we can feel optimistic too? You'ld think he didn't want us to see how good the Iraqis have it.

Luna - did you read the post above 'why Bush smiles"? That explains it all beautifully. Cheney says things are going well because 'his investments' are doing well. He could care less about anything else.

Tim,

Here are some photos of the "controlling people" signing the torture law. Did you say it's when the idea of the idea people gets destroyed, right? So those who drew up the Constitution were the idea people, our courts and universities and laws were the process people so this would make these people the controlling people.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2412830

I just noticed something. Bush normally walks with his swagger winking at people, slapping them on the back, whispering to them behind his hand as he laughs, except when he's with Cheney. He always looks really stiff and uncomfortable with Darth. Of course, everyone looks stiff and uncomfortable with him, except Lynn. But I think that's because she's as evil as he is. They're soul mates.

I imagine that most of you have already seen this, but I thought I'd post it just in case. Like, yeah, the US is going to pull out of Iraq - right!!

A few years ago, I was in Florida for a month long tour. I stayed with a family of Republicans. The husband, in his late sixties or early seventies, said about the US being in Iraq "we're building big military bases over there and we're staying and we're going to show them a thing or two"... I felt sick, as you might imagine...

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0415-07.htm

PatC (waving to you from Australia!) you said:

"Well, the professional history of GWB is to raid, depleat, destroy, and move on. Nothing new happening here at all"

I often think of Bob Dylan's lyrics from his song Masters of War. In fact, I often play it on my car stereo as I drive and sing along with it at the top of my lungs when the urge strikes me. Sometimes I get a shiver right down my spine with the depth of intensity of Dylan's words. My favourite version is by Eddie Vedder (sigh) on Bob Dylan's 30th Anniversary cd set... here's a few lines...

Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly

the rest of the lyrics can be read at:

http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/masters.html

They signed this bill TODAY? During the time when all thoughts evil or good are magnified 1 mil times?
It brought forth a whole string of negative thoughts, directed at them from DU! Wonder how this will play out?
Timothy, Glad you are OK. That is very interesting about Pele, but then not suprising. These synchronistic occurances , let us know we are thinking in the right direction.
Also you have answered my unwritten quesation. You and Tim are 2 separate people! I was just thinking about you andd Kiwijean remembering when you lived across the mountain from each other. wondering where you were. And you b oth checked in! I'm so sorry about the direction N Z is taking, but then Sweden 's Govt. has taken a rite turn too.
Sharon thanks for the compliment!
Here's is what I do...I have a little riff; sort of Patrick Henry, Rush Limbaugh, and Great Aunt Lizzie calling to reprimand when she's heard of your misdeeds! Sometimes a little Bill Mahr or Al Franken......... AND I DON'T LET THEM GO AWAY! I pepper the talk with mini sound bite history lessons from the time before they were born, I scold their politician, and I try to make them laugh. At least 50% of the time, they engage in reciprocal conversation, & I feel I have reached through , taught them something or at least made them think! McCains aides aren't susceptable, they put up the wall and get off ASAP ( with that march militaire blasting in the background. Lieberman's weren't either!; & he was running for Pres. on OUR side!
BTW...the tarp is up!!! I didn't fall off the ladder......and I think it will last the wnter this time!
QOP

Hey QOP
Great that you got the tarp sorted - well done! I just got a phone call from my mother that a cousin of mine got up a ladder on the weekend to help someone out, missed his footing and fell and broke both his arm and his back! YUK... but I'm glad you managed to do it, seemingly without incident.

And, URGGGHH, they signed that reprehensible law today? Jupiter is conjunct Condi's Sun - she'll be thrilled... the Sabian Symbol for Jupiter is Scorpio 22: Hunter Shooting Wild Ducks - that's right - aim, ready, fire and it doesn't matter if the 'ducks' are merely 'decoys' - who cares????

Sickos...

How long before we're shut down? Maybe we'll all get adjoining cells?

Government Targets American Bloggers As Enemy Propagandists
Military, Homeland Security, Bush White House strategy sharpen knives against anyone critical of the "war on terror"

snip

The White House has made it perfectly clear that it will target American citizens for propagating information harmful to the interests of the U.S. government and classify them as enemy combatants. This is codified in sub-section 27 of section 950v. of the Military Commissions Act of 2006.

Bush's own strategy document for "winning the war on terror" identifies "conspiracy theorists," meaning anyone who exposes government corruption and lies about major domestic and world events, as "terrorists recruiters," and vows to eliminate their influence in society.

In a speech given Monday, Homeland Security director Michael Chertoff identified the web as a "terror training camp," through which "disaffected people living in the United States" are developing "radical ideologies and potentially violent skills."

Chertoff has pledged to dispatch Homeland Security agents to local police departments in order to aid in the apprehension of domestic terrorists who use the Internet as a political tool.

How long before influential o-n-l-ine writers, bloggers and journalists like Greg Palast, who was charged with aiding the terrorists when filming "critical U.S. infrastructure," are arbitrarily gunned down on the street like in Russia or the newly "free" Iraq?

more

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2006/171006enemypropagandists.htm

Speaking of Condoleeza (and I've talked about her before here, but nothing much has happened - yet) - transiting Neptune is about to retrograde back over her Mars on Aquarius 17: A Watchdog Standing Guard Protecting His Master and His Possessions and her progressed Moon is currently on Gemini 6: Workmen Drilling for Oil - I think there's likely to be others who are 'undermining' her, trying to get her out in order to take her job.

Her progressed Sun is on an interesting degree: Capricorn 15: A Children's Ward in a Hospital.

Her progressed Mercury is on Capricorn 22: A General Revealing Nobility of Character by Accepting Defeat Gracefully...

Her progressed Venus is also on Scorpio 30: The Halloween Tricksters degree. Soon, it will move into Sag and onto the Reunion of Army Comrades degree... perhaps she'll go nuts and end up in a nursing home with her old buddies all watching reruns of the movie Bora Bora or something.

Anyone else get a buzz on her? Of course, with Neptune around, I could easily be barking up the wrong tree...

I should add that her progressed Jupiter/Uranus conjunction has long been on Cancer 27: A Furious Storm in a Canyon Filled With Valuable Homes.

Sharon, this quote "Without a dream your life will be about your problems. You will push the river. With a dream, you CREATE a RIVER, flowing with synchronicities." is my writing. Thanks and glad you enjoyed my site.

Waving back to you Lynda! I hope you are well and happy in beautiful Austrailia.

Brilliantly interesting posts. Thank you!!

lunaoscura, yes, I believe the current administration are controllers. Dane Rhudyar points this out too (my paraphrase) when he says, when an idea loses energy, the organization it created falls apart. He even cites fascism as an example....In part, I believe the energy we use to give constitutional ideas was displaced by consumerism. HONORable ideas were displaced with greed, systematicly....Sorry, I can't remember which of Rhudyars books covers this, but maybe "Occult Preperation for a New Age"? Hope I got that title right....My responsibility to close with "Energy flows where attention goes." So, you get more of that which you resist. Bucky Fuller told us if you want people to think in a new way, provide them tools, the use of which leads to that thinking. More systems thinking there as paint for our creative pallet.........Nameste, Tim

Not only did I enjoy it, the quote tied right into a discussion my friend and I have been having for a while...the question of how to get into the flow where we love what we are doing, and stay there. The dream, the inspiration is the answer.

You are a good writer, Tim...wise, too.

Sharon, thanks again....When 1st I read your question I thought you were asking where a river of synchronicities came from. I prepared a response. So as not to waste the writing, and as it continues to fit with your discussion and astrology, I'll publish it here: The highest concept I know is "Energy flows where attention goes". We must though, start with the idea everything is connected. This is astrological too. Otherwise how do the movements of planets correlate with anyones life? So, not to put too much, but enough emphasis on this; everything is connected from a blade of grass to the eccentric orbit of Pluto. The universe being mental in nature is another concept in play here. Let us say then, your attention is like a radio tuner. Your thoughts and the emotions they engender pull in the kind of music or experiences you tune to. Now to the good part. Let us say you have a creative project; value driven so karma won't get in the way. Knowing all energy flows where attention goes, you begin to look at each and every one of your experiences as somehow adding to your project. As you get better at this, soon even stressfull experiences are learned from and interpreted as additions. Afterall, all our experiences are neutral until we give them meaning. More and more you are seeing experiences through a "lens of opportunity". (quoting myself) When something stressful happens you do not resist it, you flow with it. Life and your project are meaningful. The universe keeps adding to your project and the seeming coincidences keep increasing until you have a river of synchronicities flowing to your project.....Astrology helps with this process by helping us know where our subconscious and creative drivers lie. It helps us identify our "1st best destiny". (Thank you Mr Spock)

Condi-ments

The buzz here in the D.C. gay community is that Condi is a lesbian, has a blond girlfriend here, and in fact was an out lesbian at Stanford. I did a Google on the topic, and found quite a few references to that possibility. Maybe her and Mary Cheney should keep house together, (I know Mary has a partner :)) At any event that is the supposed big secret about Condi, and why I think she will fade from view soon. The Foley mess has freed the media to start delving into a lot more Repug closets. (It should be noted that Foley is a freak and being gay has nothing to do with it) However, as a lesbian it would suit me fine for Condi (and Mary) to stay off my turf anyway, who needs'em. I cannot fathom how anyone gay can be a repug much less a bushco supporter!

Out, proud, and loud here in D.C.
Swamp

Ken Lay update

A judge threw out his guilty verdict on the excuse that since he is dead he cannot appeal!!!!!! This means all the millions he ripped off cannot be seized and returned to the employees he screwd on their pension stocks. barf!!!! Mumsie and the Lay kids get to keep their lifestyle, (and if Kenny boy is alive and well in the tropics gets kept in pina coladas)

My what a convenient death!!! His death also keeps him from being subpeoned by any Democrat investiation about what went on re advice to the Whitehouse on energy during the shrub's first non-term.

Swamp

See! It was all worth it:
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/43045/

Thanks, Tim, I enjoyed it. I like the "slogan" --Energy Flows where Attention Goes -- it's catchy and simple. There is something to be said for the simple, fun slogan, but in this case, it's far more meaningful and important than in TV commercials :-)

Namaste

(Jo, if you ever lurk here, I think of you, especially when Namaste comes to mind. I hope you and your "grands" are fine. I am sure whatever you are doing, it's interesting and even brilliant.)

Does anyone have the time that the shrub signed the despicable act? BTW, we've already done similar in Australia...

Lynda - in answer to your question - this is from starlightnews.com

From Gypsi’s post it looks like 9:47 AM EDT is when he signed the abomination. There are several sources now questioning the Congress’ complacency that the courts will rectify the unconstitutionality of this bill. They think it all hinges on Kennedy, and he is the one who asked Congress to make a law to clarify the issue. Well, they have. So he might let it be. Time will tell.

Olbermann: The Day Habeas Corpus Died
By: SilentPatriot @ 8:14 PM - PDT

Today, 135 years to the day after the last American President (Ulysses S. Grant) suspended habeas corpus, President Bush signed into law the Military Commissions Act of 2006. At its worst, the legislation allows President Bush or Donald Rumsfeld to declare anyone — US citizen or not — an enemy combatant, lock them up and throw away the key without a chance to prove their innocence in a court of law. In other words, every thing the Founding Fathers fought the British empire to free themselves of was reversed and nullified with the stroke of a pen, all under the guise of the War on Terror.

Video-WMP Video-QT

Jonathan Turley joined Keith to talk about the law that Senator Feingold said would be seen as “a stain on our nation’s history.”

Turley: “People have no idea how significant this is. Really a time of shame this is for the American system.—The strange thing is that we have become sort of constitutional couch potatoes. The Congress just gave the President despotic powers and you could hear the yawn across the country as people turned to Dancing With the Stars. It’s otherworldly..People clearly don’t realize what a fundamental change it is about who we are as a country. What happened today changed us. And I’m not too sure we’re gonna change back anytime soon.”

http://www.crooksandliars.com/category/countdownkeith-olbermann/

Thanks, Shadowhawk... creeps!

Off to calculate the chart... (is that a seditious act?)

Lynda - Probably. I'd be very interested in hearing your interpretation.

You know, way back in 1973 I got Dahe Rudhyar's book An Astrological Mandala at a bookstore. I iked it so much I called a friend and she went to the same store the same day and they told her they'd never heard of the book and never stocked it. I had a receipt from them and everything but they still said they didn't have the book. My copy is now very worn and dog eared but I still use it extensively.

Thanks for the time, Shadowhawk - what a chart! And, I'd been speaking about Scorpio 22 in relation to Condi's chart and there it is, smack on the ascendant (well, less than one degree off).

That degree is the Hunters Shooting Wild Ducks degree. Sheesh - I will point out that to people who don't use the Sabian Symbols, it looks like Jupiter in Scorpio on the ascendant. To me, it looks like Jupiter on the ascendant on the HUNTING DUCKS degree!! yowww. (The Symbols sure do add meat to a chart).

Further, Mercury on Scorpio 19: A Parrot Listening and Then Speaking - this can be things repeated verbatim, or things repeated verbatim because one is told to say it. It's a very ambiguous degree for a torture act to be signed under.

Neptune squaring that Mercury (and Jupiter) is on Aquarius 18: A Man Unmasked at a Masquerade - yeah, right, who really needs 'unmasking'?

The Man UnMasked degree squaring the Parrot Repeating degree...

Add into it Saturn on Leo 23: A Bareback Rider in a Circus Displays Her Skills... waterboarding, anyone? How about piling up people in a filthy pyramid and taking photographs? Oh good fun and lots of fun for everyone....

Interestingly, the Moon is smack on the MC on Virgo 4: Black and White Children Playing Happily Together (questions such as - 'do you have friends who wear turbens' come to mind).

Venus is on Libra 22: A Child Giving Birds a Drink at a Fountain. Starvation, thirst, solitary anyone?

The Sun is conjunct Mars... the Sun's degree is Libra 25: The Sight of an Autumn Life Brings to a Pilgrim the Meaning of Life and Death. Aside from the obvious connotations of 'life and death' in this degree, it speaks of people seeing things that others don't and this includes people being delusional.

Mars is on Libra 26: An Eagle and a Large White Dove Turning Into Each Other... nice one minute, nasty the next? I feel that this also speaks of the dismay many people must feel that Americans should be seen as a fair, tolerant and loving people (with rights for all).

Obviously, there's more to say about all this and my interps are flippant one liners - but that will do for the minute! This is a very interesting chart.

Oh, must point out that Taurus 24 is on the descendant - The Indian Warrior Riding Fiercely With Human Scalps at His Belt... (this is also the degree of Israel and Palestine's Sun).

Hi Shadowhawk
Yeah, Rudhyar's book - groundbreaking work! I've had two copies that have both fallen apart.

Odd thing about that bill signing. Mars in the 11th house (of friends) is sexile Pluto in the 2nd house (of values) The sextile is setting up a yod with the 20 years cycle of Jupiter/Saturn Conj of 2000 and a yod with Saturn of the 2001 Inauguration Chart. That's phase one of this astrological signature.

Phase 2 is Mars is squaring bush's Saturn in his 12th house and Pluto is inconjunct his natal Saturn.

Phase 3 is Saturn is conjunct his Venus (just past and in his personal 1st house) Jupiter squares them both from the 12th (hidden house and the house of self-undoing because you don't see what you are doing)

Ultimately this Torture Bill comes back to bite bush and perhaps his whole administration. It might be 2020 or just past, but it becomes a mistake for him and the US, for the Mars/Pluto aspect also squares and inconj the US Mercury. We don't know what on earth we are doing.

OMG Sally, 2020 is a long time to wait for justice. It won't bite Bush, he'll be long out of office then, getting millions to be on the lecture circuit, straining for just the right malaprop for his adoring audiences. This bill makes me ill and I can't understand why there is a collective yawn. Wait a minute, yes I can. Most people don't know **** about the constitution. Neither, I suspect, to most lawmakers. The new congress won't be enough to undo this damage.

Rearranging the letters of 'Military Commissions Act' gives:

"My! Not stoicism - racialism."
"Cosmic immorality stains."
"Mystic animalistic rooms."
"I'm a costly, mimic arsonist."
"Mimic so slimy castration."
"So slimy mimic castration."
"Mystic immoralist as icon."
"Icon maims slim atrocitys."
"I'm my iconoclasm satirist."
"Racialism motions mystic."
"Is comic nasty immoralist."
"Racily. Stoicism maims not."
"I'm an atrocity mimics loss."
"Is manic immorality costs."
"O My! Romantic islamicists."
"So stormily mimic satanic."
"Slimy, cast-iron as to mimic."
"Is not coy - alarmist mimics."
"It maims classic moronity."
"Stormily, I'm a cosmic stain."
"Cosmic SOS trim animality."

These are the longest words/phrases that use some of the letters:
"associationism", "criminalistics", "militarisation",
"sacrosanctity", "actinomycosis", "cicatrisation",
"isolationists", "occasionalism", "occasionality",
"rationalistic", "romanticistic", "socialisation",
"assimilations", "commissariats", "astronomical",
"conciliatory", "narcissistic", "satirisation",
"solicitation", "associations", "rationalists",
"assimilation", "commissariat", "Islamisation",
"isolationism", "isolationist", "mastications",
"romanticists", "sinistrality", "commissarial"

Generated using Anagram Genius(tm) version 9
http://www.anagramgenius.com/

Gee, Maybe the land that was just purchased in Paraguay is not for Sonny or Poppy but for Kennyboy Lay. A gift from the dynasty.

A sound premise Bhakti!

Here's another nasty..............
The Interrogation of Julia Wilson: Secret Service Grills 14 Year-Old Artist
by Stephen S. Pearcy | Oct 17 2006 - 2:58pm
Two super-sized adult male U.S. Secret Service ("S.S.") agents banged on the front door at 14 year-old Julia Wilson's home last Thursday during school hours, but Julia wasn't home. Predictably (except to the S.S. agents), the straight-A student was in her microbiology class at school.

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/1875
QOP

It's not hard to figure out why they are using the term the 'collective yawn'. It's not like this is the first time despots have taken over with a compliant public. It's not even a 'yawn'. It's the profound belief that it can't happen here. And it's not that Bush can't try, but it is that most people think someone else will rise to stop it. Like their representatives, or Constitutional Lawyers, or the media. Yeah, the media which talking heads like Limbaugh keep insisting is 'liberal'.

When they are only peripherally aware then they are easy to manipulate. By the time they get it it's way too late.

And because of that people like us are mostly dismissed as too emotional, too conspiratorial, as defeatists and prone to extremism, or just not 'informed' enough.

I get this kind of stuff from people who believe themselves to be highly informed, but who haven't discovered the internet. They watch the weekend talk shows and pride themselves in being politically aware.

U.S. begins air patrols south of Canadian Prairie border

Tue Oct 17, 12:50 PM

U.S. Department of Homeland Security opened its third air surveillance base focused on the Canadian border on Monday, eroding claims the shared border is the longest undefended one in the world.

The Great Falls Air Branch in Montana will patrol the border that Alberta and Saskatchewan share with Montana and North Dakota. When fully staffed, the operation run by U.S. Customs and Border Patrol is expected to consist of 52 federal law enforcement officers, pilots, aircrew and support personnel.

Dennis Lindsay, the director of air operations at the branch, said it will conduct regular patrols and be able to respond quickly to any incidents.

"We're here because we see a vulnerability along the northern border," said Lindsay. "We want to make sure we're doing everything within our power to counter that vulnerability and close it up."

The branch's fleet includes two Blackhawk helicopters and three additional aircraft equipped with highly sensitive radar and infrared cameras. Plans call for unmanned drones in the future.

Juan Munoz Torres of Homeland Security said the higher security is a new reality both countries must get used to.

"I understand the concerns some Canadians have," said Munoz Torres. "However we have to understand we are not playing the same game we were playing before September 11th."

"We are here to stay," he added.

The air branch joins those in Bellingham, Washington, and Plattsburgh, N.Y. Two more bases are slated to open next year, in Detroit and Grand Forks, N.D.

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That is reassuring!
I walked around for several weeks with a figure in my head, that, that horse painting would bring at auction. It didn't! It was less than 1/2 . In the past that used to work really well.
When I was trying to sell my NJ house & buy this one,
several people tryed to buy this one.............I was going to the local paint store in NJ , and redecorating this place in my head. I picked out wallpaper very nice series of borders.. The house was mine! ( warts & all) I postponed the papering because I saw that removing the old would be a lenghtyy job. But I got a faux finish job at a B&B in Bar Harbor, which was decorated with the wallpaper & borders I had picked out for my place!
QOP

I heard a reference last night by Jonathan Turley, Georgetown U. prof. on KO to America Yawning. Questioning why no protestors, why Americans aren't freaking out over Habeas Corpus's demise. I'm not so sure it is apathy. I'm much more circumspect about what I do, say and write for FEAR of this lawless regime. I have no desire to be water boarded, tortured, or participate in any of these newly allowed atrocities for not likeing or disagreeing with the mad men running our Nation. I also remember how the world and the USA'ians protested Bush's march to war with Iraq all for naught. Further MSM doesn't cover the protests so we really don't know they are happening elsewhere. Though there are people protesting in our neck of the woods all the time.

Might be American's are paying more attention then MSM thinks.

Which reminds me, Arnie's newly changed spots are changing back. If California Dems vote their party ticket, Arnold will lose, especially if the GOP base stays home out of embarassment for being taken as suckers.

Meanwhile prisons to hold those our President decides are enemy combatants are still being built..... From the Halliburton website: http://www.halliburton.com/default/main/halliburton/eng/news/source_files/news.jsp?newsurl=/default/main/halliburton/eng/news/source_files/press_release/2006/kbrnws_012406.html ..........ARLINGTON, Virginia – KBR announced today that its Government and Infrastructure division has been awarded an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) contract to support the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) facilities in the event of an emergency. KBR is the engineering and construction subsidiary of Halliburton (NYSE:HAL)....snip.............The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to augment existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs. snip......I'll leave this to speculation.

Thought For the Day

Steve Judd

18 October

Galaxy Song, by Eric Idle (of Monty Python)

Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour, That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned, A sun that is the source of all our power.

The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see Are moving at a million miles a day In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour, Of the galaxy we call the 'Milky Way'.

Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars.

It's a hundred thousand light years side to side.

It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick, But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide.

We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.

We go 'round every two hundred million years, And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions In this amazing and expanding universe.

The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding In all of the directions it can whizz As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know, Twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.

So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure, How amazingly unlikely is your birth, And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space, 'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

Yesterday I wrote to Alex Miller-Mignone, the author of the book about black holes, to see if he could shed some light on how black hole Pele was named. This morning he wrote back and explained that he was the one who named the black holes but also that he had no idea black hole Pele was on Hawaii's Ascendant. Was he dialed in or what?

We've had an unusual amount of vog (that's fog from the volcano--sulfuric acid gas etc.)for the last couple of weeks---some days its so thick you can't see Mauna Kea even though there isn't a cloud in the sky, and after all the aftershocks from the quake people are feeling somewhat gassed and jumpy.

Then there's the rumours about N. Korea detonating their second test over the Pacific.

I don't know, the new moon this Saturday on black hole Pele on Hawaii's ascendant . . .

You got me to wondering about internment camps so I started digging on the net and lo and behold lookie at what I’ve found!

http://www.issuesandalibis.org/campsc.html locations of internment camps! Scroll down on site to camp locations link. All over the country!

This site has the history of ‘happy camps’ which is downright scary! We’ve been here done this before! We have a history that I didn’t know about and is as ugly as what we’re doing or getting ready to do now. Seems we just don’t learn.

Gotta LUV the ‘net! Here’s the address to take you directly to camp locations if you don't want to wade through the history. http://www.issuesandalibis.org/camps.html

The US$ bully is being used less and less until soon the US will have to trade exports instead of printed dollars for foreign goods. One of the US's closest allies, Australia, is making noises it must too get out of the dollar to survive. http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/costello-seeks-orderly-us-withdrawal/2006/10/17/1160850931319.html .........Costello seeks orderly $US withdrawal.....As getting out of the dollar is becoming ubiquitous I wonder if the US military will be effective in protecting its interests. Of course oil is the chief interest and so the US sets out to control or blackmail by threat of destruction. From "Dune", Usul speaking "A person who can destroy a thing can control a thing.". The rest of the world uses much more middle eastern oil than the US...I've brought this up because if I was the village bully and the village had had enough of me, I would soon turn to those closest to me ( Canada and Mexico) to increase my bond with them. Of course this is just my speculation on the reasons for the North American Union NAU talks. There are more nefarious theories on that. I just thought I'd bring this forward as I've not heard it theorized anywhere yet.....Juicey times ahead, Tim

Tim....you wrote about the Halliburton camps:
or to support the rapid development of new programs.

I'd say it is probably 'pograms' !!!!! We are becoming Stalinist Russia

I must recommend the dynomite Oct/Nov Mountain Astrologer for numerous reasons, but the best was the continuation of the discussion about the retrograde Mars in the US chart. I think we still need to read about that one in light of what is happening now....because this goes on for another almost 200 years.

Morgana, from what the Chronicle is reporting, Dems are VOTING FOR ARNOLD. JERKS.....they just don't get it. Angelides did some miracle work as treasurer....so he is charisma challenged...the truth is, people want their movie star governor for reasons which have nothing to do with reality. Idiots.

Timothy, I remember the vog....haven't been to Kailua-Kona since 1987, but it was thick then. If you go out sailing, it just hangs there like a giant voggy lei all around.

But this, from what I've heard, is NOT about eruptions and magma and tectonic plates. It is literally the crust sagging. However, if parts of the islands underwater should slough off....watch out. That would cause the mother of all tsunamis.

Small world Kailua-Kona, I spent time there in 67' after my pop's died, I stayed with my cousin absolutely loved it. They had a lot of breakage, they're 80 ft above sea level.

Egoists claiming political pundits, I know many, who think all they have to do is watch the 4 bawlers in john mcclaughlin group(is this name john borrowed from a practising attorney firm?). The 4 just bawl w/o manners, the worst being the egoist sitting next to Buchanan and he is the nest worst with all their opinions full of one track tunnel vision; gimme a break, to call these
pundits! call them total nuts!

Other hot topic is the mainland Hawaii quake. I think I live in a quake proof LA in CA. There are faults in NY, Memphis, Hawaii; CA seems safest!

Can anyone here summarize the gestalt of the US chart, the dark and light sides of the archetype, bring us up to date on where we are in the unfolding process, and as cells of the body of the US, what proactive role we might play in going to the light side of the unfoldment?....Judigem, I have a subscription and look forward to reading it.

Riverbend has blogged for those who worried for her:

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

bypassing disgusting...we move on to justice remember the Haditha massacre? Looks like some boys spilled their guts, so to speak.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/10/18/soldiers.court/index.html?section=cnn_topstories

I don't know if this is the forum to create it in, but I believe it would be very helpful to write a story or myth for people to attatch their creative engines to on how the US went to the light side of the current energies. We must displace victim feelings with a creative COMMUNITY set of memes and generative infrastructures.

Comment
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End of the culture war
Now the religious right has turned against the Republican Congress, the great revolution is over

Sidney Blumenthal
Thursday October 19, 2006

Guardian

The spectacle of hypocrisy, impunity and corruption engulfing the Republican Congress has its origins in its rise in 1994, extolled as the party's "revolution". First came the Republican Lenin - the speaker, Newt Gingrich - determined to annihilate his enemies and extirpate the "counter-culture". But after twice causing parts of the federal government to shut down and being cited for ethics violations, Gingrich was forced to resign, on the eve of Clinton's impeachment trial, by fellow Republicans. (They had private knowledge: Gingrich promptly abandoned his second wife for the mistress he had maintained on the House payroll for years).
The next speaker, Bob Livingston, resigned almost at once when the pornographer Larry Flynt threatened to release recordings of Livingston moaning in the company of his mistress, which Flynt had purchased from the scorned woman. Into that vacuum the most powerful figure in the House, the then whip and later majority leader Tom DeLay (nicknamed "the exterminator" for his pest control business), inserted a dull, reliable frontman - Dennis Hastert, known as "coach" for supervising school wrestling in small-town Illinois, his greatest previous distinction

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329604335-103677,00.html

Blair and Iraq
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Out of options

Leader
Thursday October 19, 2006

Guardian

When cornered, Tony Blair has the knack of lending his arguments an air of ferocious nobility, conjuring up a persuasive illusion almost regardless of reality. It is a talent that has served him many times in office; such ingenious defiance helped make the case for the Iraq war in the first place. He tried the trick again yesterday in the Commons, when both David Cameron and Sir Menzies Campbell turned on him over the British military presence in Iraq. But the old skill seems to be fading. Though the rhetoric was there, the impact was not. Yesterday the prime minister sounded both loud and lost, staying the course only because his opponents lack an alternative strategy. He could not create enthusiasm for his own approach when he said, once again, that Britain must "stay until the job is done".
There is a place for such steadfastness in politics, but on Iraq the prime minister is running out of allies. At home, general Sir Richard Dannatt's astonishing expression of doubt in the task his troops have been asked to undertake continues to resonate. In Iraq, the situation seems only to get worse. Yesterday saw the deaths of 10 more US soldiers, taking this month's tally to 68, and the dismissal of two of the country's most senior police generals, as Iraq's security forces fragment into milita-controlled factions. That follows last week's Lancet report suggestion that 650,000 Iraqis may have died since the war began. And in Washington, the Iraq Study Group, a bipartisan committee chaired by James Baker, the former secretary of state, is reportedly looking at desperate options, including asking Iran and Syria to rescue the US from the consequences of its actions.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/leaders/story/0,,1925405,00.html

October 19, 2006

New Laws and Machines May Spell Voting Chaos

By IAN URBINA
WASHINGTON, Oct. 18 — New electronic voting machines have arrived in Yolo County, Calif., but there is one hitch: the audio program for the visually impaired in some of them works only in Vietnamese.

“Talk about panic,” said Freddy Oakley, the county’s top election official. “I’ve got gray-haired ladies as poll workers standing around looking stunned.”

As dozens of states are enforcing new voter registration laws and switching to paperless electronic voting systems, officials across the country are bracing for an Election Day with long lines and heightened confusion, followed by an increase in the number of contested results.

In Maryland, Mississippi and Pennsylvania, a shortage of technicians has vendors for new machines soliciting applications for technical support workers on job Web sites like Monster.com. Ms. Oakley, who is also facing a shortage, raided the computer science department at the University of California, Davis, hiring 60 graduate students as troubleshooters.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/19/us/politics/19voting.html?ei=5094&en=cbb7481b529411c7&hp=&ex=1161230400&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print

Do you know the way to Paraguay? Story is starting to pick up steam now. Seems there are three separate reasons to wanna buy a million acres there--water, Moon and oil. Oh, no!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2428454

Well come to Maine instead! We have water, NO MOON, no oil but 25 -30 ' tides could create some lot of energy if they were harnessed! Why they don't do that and sell energy to the rest of the country I don't know. We're still believing in the myth of the "Atlantic Salmon" gone lo these many years!
JoannaO, I just heard from my brother that several protesters died in Portland, can you add to that story?
QOP

POLICE SHOOT ONE, PEPPER-SPRAY ONE TO DEATH,
USE SHOTGUNS TO INTIMIDATE PROTESTERS...All in 2 Days http://www.portlandcopwatch.org/PPR15/shootingspepper15.html

thanx!
Voila instant communication! DO you know Portland's astrological stuff?
QOP

Portland OR - Apr 6, 1851 - 12:00 PM PST +8 - 45N32 122W37 ;O)

Via Rawstory.com, another GOPer says "it's not going to happen" in regards to the Dems regaining a majority--kinda makes you think this election has already been decided, doesn't it?

http://www.rawstory.com/showoutarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.radioiowa.com%2Fgestalt%2Fgo.cfm%3Fobjectid%3D03E7B0DB-FF7D-4899-91E5B88F33DB97C6%26dbtranslator%3Dlocal.cfm

oh, and PS to John McClain---let me know if you need any help following through with that ridiculous claim....shame on you!!!

Garry

I have always thought that the stories of Democrats taking 30 to 60 seats was BS. The Repugs
are not worrying as they know that the machines
are already fixed. And they will win in '08 as
well.

Maybe the Republicans 'winning' this election is the best that could happen. I think they haven't self-destructed enough yet. Too many things are coming out, and if they lose the majority then there will still be pedophiles and embezzlers and criminals in OUR Congress. From all the astrological aspects awaiting us in the next dozen years it seems there needs to be a real purge of corruption - on both sides of the aisle. Tim's statements about the 'controllers' needs to play out because they serve the purpose of destroying what no longer serves a purpose other than to be in the way.

Stealing/fraud/theft is not "winning"... stealing/fraud/theft is stealing/fraud/theft.

JoannaOregon,

I agree that stealing, fraud and theft are not winning. That's why I put winning in quotes, as in "winning". Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. Sorry

Luna, it does seem bushco and the repubs are Pluto's out-front WMD. The Fed will have to go down with them. I consider the owners of the Fed bushco's handlers. It sure would be interesting to read an astrological analysis of the Fed. I've looked for its chart without success..... The economy cycles, I've read, about every 17 yrs from order to chaos, and there are larger cycles too. Some think we are coming to the end of a Grand Super cycle, and that may end the Fed. Fingers crossed and cheering on the outer planets.

Looks like someone who can't catch a break :
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2433599

Tim, does this help at all?(from Wikipedia)

"The Federal Reserve System was created via the Federal Reserve Act of December 23rd, 1913."

Tim & Garry, looks like Nov 16, 1914:
http://www.bos.frb.org/about/history/90th.htm

This is the most exact listing I've found:

"President Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act shortly after 6 p.m. on December 23, 1913."

Accoring to another source, he entered the Oval Office at 6 pm & looked around the room, called one of his pals up from the back of the room & shook his hand, and then signed it.

JudiG, The US Mars article in the latest M A is an eye opener. Another 60 years of neo-con rule? I think so.

I also think that the lords of chaos are in control now. Those of us that are awake are planting the seeds of change for future generations. As of now, I don't think we'll see anything but more of the same for the next 15 to 20 years.

And it's going to take 100 years to fix what the lunatics have broken. It's going to take that long until the generations of brainwashed sheep of today are gone.

Thanks everyone for the info on the Fed. I'll start with 6 PM........Here is an introductory article on the kind of trouble the dollar is in: http://finance.yahoo.com/columnist/article/richricher/10932?p=1 Cybear, you remind me of Maslow's idea we should study psychologically healthy people and raise our children from what we have learned.....Nameste' all

Tim - interesting you should be posting about the Fed. This may be pertinent. I'm not sure since I know very little about the markets. Never had the money or interest to play there.

Australian Treasurer Seeks Orderly Withdrawal From U.S. Dollar

By John Garnaut
Economics Correspondent

10/19/06 "SMH" -- -- TREASURER Peter Costello has called on East Asia's central bankers to "telegraph" their intentions to diversify out of American investments and ensure an orderly adjustment.

Central banks in China, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea and Hong Kong have channelled immense foreign reserves into American government bonds, helping to prop up the US dollar and hold down American interest rates.

Mr Costello said "the strategy had changed" and Chinese central bankers were now looking for alternative investments.

"Of course you can have an orderly adjustment," he told reporters. "And what I would recommend is that these matters be telegraphed well in advance. I think we should begin preparing ourselves for it."

Mr Costello said the "re-emergence" of China as the world's greatest economy "is not something to be feared".

Asked if a muscular China would be a force for good, however, Mr Costello said it would be good for growth and stability. "With the growing economic strength you will see growing influence in diplomacy in the regional architecture, as you would expect.

"I am sure it will be a force for economic development and I am sure that in partnership with other global powers, China wants to see a stable East Asian region."

Earlier, in a speech to open the Australian National University's East Asian Bureau of Economic Research, Mr Costello said Australia's involvement in the region was broader than economics.

"It is a key ingredient of who we are as a people," he said. "While Australia has its own unique culture, we are also a people who confidently enjoy the cultures of Asia, with seven of our top 10 overseas travel destinations being in the region."

Ahead of next month's G20 meeting in Melbourne, Mr Costello called on regional leaders to reform their anachronistic financial systems.

He said underdeveloped financial markets were to blame for the emerging economies of East Asia sending 94 per cent of outward portfolio investment to "ageing" countries outside the region.

He said the region needed to improve poor macroeconomic frameworks, inadequate regulatory systems, uncompetitive markets and insufficient investment in health and education

Sorry, forgot the line

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15346.htm

This is a cheery scenario! NOT

Striking the US where it hurts

By Victor N Corpus

Victor N Corpus is a retired brigadier general of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP); former chief of the Intelligence Service, AFP; and holds a master's degree in public administration from the Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University.

10/19/06 "Asia Times" -- -- A noted Chinese theorist on modern warfare, Chang Mengxiong, compared China's form of fighting to "a Chinese boxer with a keen knowledge of vital body points who can bring an opponent to his knees with a minimum of movements". It is like key acupuncture points in ancient Chinese medicine. Puncture one vital point and the whole anatomy is affected. If America ever goes to war with China, say, over Taiwan, then America should be prepared for the following "acupuncture points" in its anatomy to be "punctured". Each of the vital points can bring America to its knees with a minimum of effort.

I Electro-magnetic Pulse (EMP) attack
China and Russia are two potential US adversaries that have the capability for this kind of attack. An EMP attack can either come from an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), a submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM), a long-range cruise missile, or an orbiting satellite armed with a nuclear or non-nuclear EMP warhead. A nuclear burst of one (or more) megaton some 400 kilometers over central United States (Omaha, Nebraska) can blanket the whole continental US with electro-magnetic pulse in less than one second.

more

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15347.htm

This is from Democrats.com and I thought is was important....

Australian farmers commit suicide as hope evaporates
SYDNEY (Reuters) - One Australian farmer commits suicide every four days, defeated by the country's worst drought in 100 years which has left them with dust-bowl paddocks and a mountain of debt, says a national mental health body.
As long-time readers of MakeThemAccountable know, studies have shown that the number of suicides increases when conservative governments are in power in Australia and in Britain. The same trend is true for the U.S. , at least for the last two presidencies. We humans have evolved as social beings, dependent on each other, no matter how much right wingers don’t want us to be. Visit Conservative Truths for more information on the detrimental effects of conservatism. —Caro

Also, a few threads back someone posted a list of the Republicans who have broken the law (another Rethug from IL up on the radar about a sexual liason with a 16 year old girl....). Would someone still have the link?

Cybear....that 60 year figure was exactly what my astro teacher said he predicted several years ago (he was writing for M A also)...60 more years of rethug rule? I just think not without a coup....

Shadow, the SF Chronicle wrote about the dollar thing in the news section today....I was surprised. The change in publishers has astonished me. They had gotten so bad that I canceled my subscription...and now they are actually reporting news.

* Milbank: ‘There Are Rumors About A Third [Page Scandal], This One Involving A 16 Y/O Girl’ http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/18/milbank-16/

Anyone "raised" in the 50s got the "DangerStranger" b&w film... the one where strange lil mid-aged pink pervs lived in the bushes near busstops etc. to nab unwary children. Scared the hi-jinx outa us. But now come to find out, them pervs were/are THE tax-payer subsidized govt officials... 1000s of them... millions of them... no room left for anybody else... only pervs.

I was just ranting in general, luna...

How do you figure an astrological profile for a town? Or is it possible? My "home town" was settled around 1690+. It was originally called "Pot Town" due to the fact that pottery was made and sold here. (I might add, the pottery is quite pricey and collectible this day). Then some years later it was officialy named after a German Peter Strauss who "founded" it. What do I look for here?

And on a weird note: This morning I was in a deep sleep when awakened by a female voice calling my name. Woke me right up! I thought it was my sister at the door! And in my half awake state, I arose to go let her in. Then I realized she had to be at work and couldn't be calling me. Geeze, Strange Days Indeed!

Jack Cafferty is doing a one hour program on CNN, about the unreliable voting machines!
This is GOOD!
QOP

Actually he is replacing WOlf Blitzer in the 7:pm slot every night next week. The program is called "Broken Government"
QOP

Republicans say top Democrats support 'group of gay paedophiles'

By Andrew Gumbel in Los Angeles

Published: 20 October 2006
Let the dirty campaigning begin. With less than three weeks to go before the US mid-term elections and an embattled Republican Party struggling to hold on to control of both the House and Senate, some of the country's more desperate candidates are resorting to desperate measures.

Republicans aren't going after their Democratic challengers much on Iraq, or the war on terror, or nuclear proliferation. Instead, members of President Bush's party are accusing their adversaries of being apologists for gay sex between adults and children.

In Ohio, the Republican candidate for governor, Kenneth Blackwell, went on a tear against his Democratic challenger, Ted Strickland, in their concluding televised debate this week, accusing him of cosying up to an eccentric group called the North American Man Boy Love Association, or Nambla, and associating himself with a man convicted of exposing himself to young children.

The attack almost certainly had more to do with Mr Strickland's double-digit lead in the polls than with any real substance. The convicted man, for example, was one of hundreds of campaign workers, not a close confidant of Mr Strickland's. But the smear by association with Nambla - a convoluted charge based on a congressional vote on which Mr Strickland abstained - does not appear to have been an accident, since Republican candidates have been trying it out all over the country.

In California, a struggling Republican congressman called John Doolittle has argued that since his opponent, Charlie Brown, is a member of the American Civil Liberties Union, and since the ACLU has in the past defended Nambla's free-speech rights, he is tainted by association. "It is astounding," Mr Doolittle said in a recent press release, "that anyone could defend a group dedicated to aiding and abetting paedophiles." (Mr Doolittle failed to mention that he once acted as a character witness for a friend convicted of sexually assaulting six of his patients.)

The Nambla charge has also been thrown at Nancy Pelosi, the San Francisco congresswoman who would become the next Speaker of the House if the Democrats win a majority on 7 November and who has thus become a multi-purpose pincushion for the Republicans. The maverick right-winger and erstwhile presidential candidate Pat Buchanan told a television interviewer this week that Ms Pelosi had been on gay pride parades where Nambla members were also present and had thus been "marching with paedophiles".

The line of attack is remarkably brazen, given that the Republican Party is itself being rocked by a man-boy sex scandal. First, Florida congressman Mark Foley was forced to resign following the publication of predatory e-mails and instant messages he sent to teenage pages working on Capitol Hill. Then the Republican House leadership closed ranks over revelations that it had known about Mr Foley's habits for years and done nothing about them. Now a second Republican congressman, Jim Kolbe of Arizona, is under investigation for a camping trip he organised with a group of pages 10 years ago.

And these are only the latest setbacks to hit a Republican Party already mired in corruption scandals and public disillusion on an array of issues, from Iraq to the aftermath of last year's Hurricane Katrina.

The thinking, though, appears to be that if Democrats can be painted as paedophiles too, then the Foley scandal might lose some of its bite. As Mr Buchanan said of Ms Pelosi: "If she's been marching with paedophiles, is she credible standing up there saying, 'I'm shocked, shocked, that some Republican is after 17-year-old pages'?"

There is a tendency in all US election campaigns to talk about sexual morality rather than weighty matters of state. But this yearseems to mark a new low.

Nowhere has the tone gone lower than in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, where a Republican candidate called Vernon Robinson has accused his opponent, incumbent congressman Brad Miller, of wanting to import homosexuals to the United States and spending tax-payer dollars on filthy scientific studies on sex.

"Instead of spending money on cancer research," a recent campaign advert ran, "Brad Miller spent your money to study the masturbation habits of old men ... Brad Miller even spent your tax dollars to pay teenage girls to watch pornographic movies with probes connected to their genitalia. Brad Miller pays for sex, but not for body armour for our troops."

All this opprobrium stemmed from a single vote by Mr Miller on appropriations for the National Institutes of Health. In a campaign mailer, the unabashedly homophobic Mr Robinson even sought to drop hints questioning his adversary's sexuality, referring to him pointedly as "childless". Mr Miller has since pointed out that the reason he is childless is that his wife had a hysterectomy 20 years ago.

Let the dirty campaigning begin. With less than three weeks to go before the US mid-term elections and an embattled Republican Party struggling to hold on to control of both the House and Senate, some of the country's more desperate candidates are resorting to desperate measures.

Republicans aren't going after their Democratic challengers much on Iraq, or the war on terror, or nuclear proliferation. Instead, members of President Bush's party are accusing their adversaries of being apologists for gay sex between adults and children.

In Ohio, the Republican candidate for governor, Kenneth Blackwell, went on a tear against his Democratic challenger, Ted Strickland, in their concluding televised debate this week, accusing him of cosying up to an eccentric group called the North American Man Boy Love Association, or Nambla, and associating himself with a man convicted of exposing himself to young children.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article1904969.ece

WV....wow, could it get any more bizaarish?

that is until you read some of the stuff from our country's past elections, say the 1800's...pretty wild and wooley stuff going on then, too....hmmm...must be a cycle.

Whooo-hooo! Claudia Dikinis just posted a dynamite analysis of the Military Commissions Act:
http://starcats.com/Military%20Commissions%20Act%202006.html

I'm speechless (again!):
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001845.php

Tim, I would be happy to summarize the gestalt of the US chart, only I need more time than my recent schedule will allow. A huge overlooked factor in the US chart is the Mars/Neptune Square from the 7th to the 9th with Mars ruling the 12th house of the US chart and Neptune being it's natural ruler. That aspect alone is fraught with massive contradictions. Plus the fact on a site such as this, there are people who read this site that are not that familiar with astrology and a little fearful of their own light and dark energies residing within, always concerned of being overtaken by the "dark." I would highly recommend Howard Sasportas book "The Gods of Change."

We are of course the "wounder" and the "wounded"

Our psychobabble, has attempted to define the human mind and set a standard of what is sane and what is insane, nomal/abnormal, even light/dark. The egotism associated with such defining standards is highly questionable. The fact is we truely are not defining "normal/abnormal," etc. We are defining societal standards that make the mass of people within that society comfortable, and of course anything outside of that is a problem. We really are walking on shakey ground.
We all do it, we all define the norm and then judge the use of the energies outside of what "we" consider "norm."

Wikitionary definition of

"gestalt" "A collection of physical, biological, psychological or symbolic entities that creates a unified concept, configuration or pattern which is greater than the sum of its parts."

The impact of the collective psychological and symbolic patterns on society or the world as a whole is of course enormous, but in order for the "impact" to be completely or even partially in the light, it is necessary for each individual to see and acknowledge their part in creating the darkness. Unfortunately we all too often, including me and everyone I've ever known take the Pontius Pilot stand "pass me the bowl so I may wash the blood off my hands," while denying they are doing so.

There are pockets of people evolving toward a stronger "view" of the "light." There are individuals, such as yourself and others, who glimpse it and walk within that light with as sincere an understanding of the light as they possibly can. The ones who truely are walking their talk to the best of their ability.

I saw a picture of a dalmation sniffing the ground under a tree throwing shadows on the same ground. You could not see the dog in relation to its wholeness, but the hint of the dog. (I will attach the page as a link) The picture was demonstrating "emergence" a key properity of gestalt theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestalt_effect

If we look at "emergence" what "whole" of humanity are we judging? Have we evolved or grown more toward the light since 1776? or the death of Christ, or when Buddah was born, we cannot look at the "whole" out of context to all prior events or out of context of the world, for the world makes up the collective and yet the evolution of the whole of man comes through the individual until there are enough like minded to make the whole, but we are once again back to the circle of light and dark and the need to acknowledge our piece of the dark and that takes a courage to face that.

This is as simple an explanation I can do in the treatment of a very complicated subject because of the entities involved and the implicate and explicate order of the universe.

Judi G, Maybe not the rethugs, but the corpo fascist controlling the US which pretty much controls everyone else these days.

Don't they have a term for people who hear voices telling them what to do?

Top US general says Rumsfeld is inspired by God

MIAMI (AFP) - The top US general defended the leadership of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, saying it is inspired by God.

"He leads in a way that the good Lord tells him is best for our country," said Marine General Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Rumsfeld is "a man whose patriotism focus, energy, drive, is exceeded by no one else I know ... quite simply, he works harder than anybody else in our building," Pace said at a ceremony at the Southern Command (Southcom) in Miami.

more - if you can stand it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061019/pl_afp/usmilitarypolitics_061019193550

Sally, your last post could be a blog site of it's own. So deep, so esoteric and soooo, so in need of discussion these days.

Sally, yes I see, the US is aggressively kind. Reminds me of Rome, which would teach you to build great arches then spear you....I like Howard's book on houses, so thanks for the tip....Today I just started looking through Jeffrey Green's book "Pluto the Soul's Evolution Through Relationships". This conversation should give it an added dimension. I recently had a departing talk with a client who loves metaphysics. Though he is quite intellectual (the Buddha path) he says he wants to follow the Jesus path of love. So our conversation was about how getting wounded allows one to sympathize and love others who act or have been wounded. Getting wounded increases one's ability to love....It is hard enough to see our dark side, the "projection" or experience of our wounds as having come from another rather than being our own sensitive bits, when in a relationship with another personlet alone when brought out by an institution spiralling (up?) between the dark and the light, chaos and order. (the USA)......Hehe, yes, what is normal? As a teenager in a bluecollar family I was considered abnormal with Ghandi as one of my heroes. Bart Star would have worked better I think......Sally, the only way I have been able to make some sense of which came 1st the chicken (the collective) or the egg (the individual) is understanding we each, as actors (ref Will Shakespear) are walking through the landscape of our own consciousness. An experiential fact for me since cosmic consciousness visited. The interplay betwixt that phenomena and fully playing on the stage, immersed in the now of it, committed to playing a part feels paradoxical to say the least, but one tends to accept more responsibility for ones experiences....My experience of astrology has been, it tends to take one toward objectivity,.to judge less and discern more; particularly when I see planetary archetypal behaviors as subconscious drivers. Extend that to the collective consciousness and one hopes there is a God directing traffic. I've not studied enough astrology to call myself a student of Dane Rhudyar's, but I believe, were he here, he could instruct us, in a detatched academic way, predjudices noted (can anyone know everything?), of the unfoldment process of the USA....Geez, now that I've opened my mouth, I suppose I'll have to read his writing on the USA.....Sally, thank you for the time you put into this posting. I've reread it and will again. I hope I've taken your points. I'm currently enjoying chronic fatigue syndrome and am a little brain fogged today....As usual, here's recognizing the spirit of God in you, Tim

Sally PS: Here is a snippet from an interview with Peter Senge on a site I just discovered. dialogonleadership.org , sounds kewl, ya?..... http://www.dialogonleadership.org/interviewSenge.html ................ IV. Matter and Mind: There's Only One Issue in the World

I had an interesting conversation a year ago with Mr. Nan, the Chinese Zen master who lives in Hong Kong. I have got a lot of his books around here. Showing Young made it possible for me to meet him. In China he's a very revered figure. He's considered an extraordinary scholar because of his integration of Buddhism, Taoism, and Confucianism. When I started talking with him about this, he had a very interesting way of putting it. I asked him if he thought that the industrial age was going to create such environmental problems that we would destroy ourselves and that we had to find a way to understand these problems and change industrial institutions. And he didn't completely agree with that. It wasn't the way he saw it. He saw it at a deeper level, and he said, "There's only one issue in the world. It's the reintegration of mind and matter." That's exactly what he said to me, the reintegration of mind and matter. I think that this kind of experience of life being predominant, being more powerful – not our mind being more powerful than life itself – is another way of saying that. It’s consistent with Bohm's theory of dialogue, and it’s why Bohm and Krishnamurti influenced each other so much. Most esoteric, spiritual traditions believe that there really is no fundamental distinction between consciousness and what is manifest. There is this continual interplay in the two of them. As Bohm used to say, "Thought creates the world." I think it’s that kind of capacity or awareness or reintegration that needs to be infused into our institutions.

"walking through the landscape of our own consciousness." Well said Tim and that is interestingly one of the first precepts in the re-integration of mind and matter. Have you read Ishmael? It's several years old but a wonderful little book. Ishmael is an ape with the true meaning of life. In reading that one realizes that there was a time when mind and matter were integrated.

Mind, body and spirit, often times we associate the mind with spirit, only it is not. Spirit belongs not to the conscious (mind) but to the super-conscious and most time seemingly outside our grasp of understanding, however that is where we manifest our reality. With a true integration of mind and body it is possible to attune oneself to hearing or feeling or letting the spirit move you. We are doing it all the time, manifesting, we just don't understand the laws of manifesting reality. However I believe there to be signs that we are coming closer and closer.

The Dranconic Chart of the USA (the chart the ancients identify as the soul of spirit chart of a person, and I say why not a nation) has a 6 degree Pisces Sun and a 20 degree Libra Moon. For the first time in US history both the Sun and Moon in the US natal chart by Solar Arc progression will conjunct the Sun/Moon positions of our soul or spirit as a nation on July 19, 2011. That would indicate an awakening to the true soul of America. In fact the Solar Arc of all the natal US planets will conjunct all the planets of the US Draconic chart. The Soul of a person or nation does not recognize the negative use of energy of the signs or planets. We will have the opportunity through 2011 and 2012 to express the highest good from this group of people in the US on a collective or spiritual level. The greatest danger would be a conscious impulse (we act consciously on our unconscious) toward a theocracy of some kind and I believe that impulse is guiding some of our more radical religious zealots in this country. But that's another story.

Cybear, I will take your advice and make this a front page posting. However, I do not have the time to weave the whole thing together and anyway it all continues to unfold. I believe I will take these postings and anything anyone wants to add and place it in an article. What do you think?

By the way the Solar Arc progression of the Natal USA chart, bringing the planets to a perfect conjunction of the US Soul chart planets could be interpreted as an alignment of "mind and matter."

Okay, what is the "soul chart" and how is it calculated? I would be grateful for a lesson in this subject.

Clymela, I've written about the Draconic Chart several times. In my private practice I use the natal, pre-natal and draconic chart and synthesize the three. It truely opens the human psyche. The transits and progressions to the pre-natal is the most accurate predictive method I've found. I do teach the process, but I don't teach this on-line. I am attaching a link and if you search the web you will find some good articles on the subject. The Draconic chart is easy to calculate but the pre-natal is not and although I have taught this method to several astrologers the complicated synthesizing process keeps most of them from doing it. Anyway here's the link and check out Draconic Astrology on Google.

http://www.mysticempowerment.com/draconic.htm

October 19, 2006
Op-Ed Columnist

Run, Barack, Run
By DAVID BROOKS
Springfield, Illinois

Barack Obama should run for president.

He should run first for the good of his party. It would demoralize the Democrats to go through a long primary season with the most exciting figure in the party looming off in the distance like some unapproachable dream. The next Democratic nominee should either be Barack Obama or should have the stature that would come from defeating Barack Obama.

Second, he should run because of his age. Obama’s inexperience is his most obvious shortcoming. Over the next four years, the world could face a genocidal civil war in Iraq, a wave of nuclear proliferation, more Islamic extremism and a demagogues’ revolt against globalization. Do we really want a forty-something in the White House?

And yet in his new book, “The Audacity of Hope,” Obama makes a strong counterargument. He notes that it’s time to move beyond the political style of the baby boom generation. This is a style, he said in an interview late Tuesday, that is highly moralistic and personal, dividing people between who is good and who is bad.

http://select.nytimes.com/2006/10/19/opinion/19brooks.html?pagewanted=print

On Wednesday in my art class (techniques of the old masters) I was talking to the almost 20 year old girl sitting across from me (politics was up on discussion while we painted) and I said, the problem is that the world needs to go through a consciousness change and Jennifer said....oh that's so 60's!

Well...it is time for the 60's to come back....and critical thinking needs to be part of it. Walking thru the landscape of our own consciousness would be a good start.

Sally you wrote: However I believe there to be signs that we are coming closer and closer.

I am sure seeing this myself. The underlying matrix of where we are going, to and fro. A funny minor 'coincidence'...my ex is arriving next Thursday evening on American Airlines at 9:00 pm, SFX....he's a Capricorn....AA gave him the flight, he didn't choose it, it was the one which they had open. The moon enters Capricorn on the Pacific coast at 8:47 PM...welcoming him to SF...! It is the same thing with the chess pieces on the board of the US...perhaps there is a reason why we have had this awful regime, to bring to consciousness how awful it is. Perhaps there really are no accidents. All I know is that for the last 3-4 years I have heard conversations internally which I then find on the radio, tv, on this blog....bringing me to the inevitable conclusion that we are all connected by universal mind, and that matrix is being revealed.

Sweet Jesus!

According to Gen. Pace of the Joint Chiefs of
Staff " God talks to Rumsfeld"...

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/content/2006/10/top_us_general.html

Shylurker, thanks for sending that document I wanted... Judi

wv, how do you access the NYT editorials that are just for subscribers (as is Run, Barack, Run)? I believe you told me you get it off one of the news services: which one?

Thanks,
Sharon

Hi Sharon--

A quick suggestion (from a sincere but lurking-non-poster ;) RE access:

I just learned about a site called bugmenot.com

Apparently one can access subscriber-only content there. Haven't tried it yet--but it might be useful.

Cheers!

Hole in Ozone Layer Now the Size of North America
Damaging Chemicals Persist in Atmosphere, Despite Ban on Manufacture

By NED POTTER, ABCNews.com

(Oct. 20) - The so-called "hole" in the earth's protective ozone layer is at a new record -- 10.6 million square miles of sky around the South Pole -- even though most nations agreed back in 1987 to phase out the chemicals that cause it.

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/hole-in-ozone-layer-now-the-size-of/20061019152709990019?cid=2194

Sharon

I subscribe. Methinks Pat C once mentioned a
spot where you can find them...

Sally, I've not read ishmael, but will put it on my list...sigh......I'm gonna have a look at draconian and pre natal charts. Fortunately I have Solar Fire....My work week starts today so ya'll might not hear as much from me. Keep smilin, Tim

the con party has all the evils-corrupts like delay,abramoff, cunningham, ney etc.etc. sexual
predators like foley etc. cheaters in marriage like livingstone, henry hyde, current Ohio or PA
congressman sherwood etc. etc. and racists like
george allen, the whole southern bunch of congressmen and senators. After all the evils and
devils in this con party they have the gall to call other nations evil and talk of family values.
Here in OC, vietnam american or one of his staff was caught sending flyers to hispanics threatening
not to vote for democrat Loretta Sanchez etc. and now the racist con party want the vietnamese american NOT to run for Nov.congressional election
but the same racist con party did not force sherwood not to run in Ohio after his mistress has reported that sherwood tried to strangle her etc. Instead the chief thief from DC went to Ohio to campaign for him. What kind of obscene racism is this? It is with this devilry this con party has been fooling the gullible americans for the past 50 years at least into winning the congressional seats in both houses.

"...and Jennifer said....oh that's so 60's!" I would've been sore tried not to have whooped that individual upside the haid, judi! So we have instead pervs n' psychos? ...so 2000s. ;O)

Joanna, this girl need whuupin', which most of us in the class had 'gotten' (for starters, she wears a jester hat to class...). But for some reason, she started talking to me....she had bugged the teachers, she has some social lumpiness, but it was interesting. I managed to control myself....! mostly because I think what I said is absolutely the truth! Ya just never know what the results will be with her....the next class she was actually HELPING the teacher set up tables in class, which blew the teacher away....

Headline on Raw Story about Repug Jerry Lewis of CA who is facing probes....FIRED the investigative staff rom the House Appropriations committee! 60 of them, because there is so much stuff going on...he FIRED them...!!!!
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001845.php

On the left hand column of tpmmuckracker is another story....
WOMAN ACCUSES NEV. GOV. CANDIDATE OF ASSAULT
Chrissy Mazzeo has accused Republican gubernatorial candidate Rep. Jim Gibbons (R-NV) of assaulting her on October 13, and called 911 three times after the alleged incident.

and oh my, under that:
U.S. ATTORNEY TAKES JOB WITH FIRM DEFENDING EMBATTLED CONGRESSMAN
Debra Wong Yang, a U.S. attorney, will join Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP, the firm defending Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-CA), who is currently under federal investigation.
[AP]

"social lumpiness?!?!?!" Hahahahahahaaaa!!! She sounds like the class Shadow, judi. Mebbe your kind attns on her has begun a transformation for everybody. You go, girl!!

Lil primitive dumbling in the fairy tales had lossa magic when let loose & set to work...

Blog: Six-alarm fire at Maryland building housing Army intel group

RAW STORY
Published: Friday October 20, 2006

A blogger is reporting that a six-alarm fire is burning at a Fort Meade, Md. compound that houses an Army counterintelligence group.

The blog, Mia Culpa, quoted the following information from an article at WJZ.com: "Officials say they do not know why the military building at 4554 Llewellyn Avenue caught fire."

When the blogger googled the address, it pulled up the website of the 902D Military Intelligence Group, nicknamed "The Deuce." The site describes the group as the "US Army's largest Counterintelligence Unit, conducting the full range of CI activities, throughout the spectrum of conflict, and at all echelons, from tactical to strategic."

More on the story as it develops...

Reflections on the Eve of Another Rigged Election

By Ernest Partridge

10/19/06 "Information Clearing House" -- - The Bush administration can not allow the Democrats to take control of either house of Congress. And they are in a position to prevent it, regardless of the will of the American voters.

These are the two controlling facts that make all other conditions of the coming election trivial in comparison, or even irrelevant. The failure of the media and even the Democratic Party to acknowledge and deal with these facts in no way diminishes their significance. Quite the contrary.

And why can’t the Busheviks allow the loss of even one house of Congress to the Democrats? Such a loss might, of course, result in the halting and even some reversal of the Bush/GOP agenda. But that is the least of their concerns. Far more important would be the reestablishment of Congressional oversight -- of investigations, with the penalties of perjury and contempt of Congress, into vast array of crimes committed by the Bush administration. Among these crimes are bribery, the disappearance of billions of dollars in Iraq, war crimes, the disregard of acts of Congress, lying to Congress, and fraudulent elections. In a new, Democratic, House of Representatives, the incorruptible Henry Waxman, as the new Chair of the Government Affairs Committee, would doggedly examine and expose the corruption of the Bush Administration, and John Conyers, the Chair of the House Judiciary Committee, would, at long last, energetically investigate the issue of stolen elections. Accordingly, Bush and his partners in crime face far more than a curtailment of power; they face possible indictment, prosecution, and prison sentences for their crimes.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15349.htm

WV. this one is right on and goes well with the items I posted on Jerry Lewis (now there's a funny picture, I imagined him looking like the other Jerry Lewis) firing all the investigators (I think this had something to do with the Katrina fraud stuff) but nevertheless....Waxman would wax those goppers big time.

Sally, thank you so much for the link and the clue to look around in the archives. I am looking forward to studying something really new to me.

Sally, I think it would interesting to see where the article will go. It's a very complicated subject and could spin in many directions.

judigem, careful what you wish for -- you'll probably get it sooner or later. Or, I should say sooner than later.

The Uranus-Pluto Conjunction in Virgo in the 1960s (specifically 1965-1966, though the orb extends a few years both ways), the aspect most influential amidst the wave of upheaval and change during that decade, sees its' first major "test" or opening square, from 2012-2015.

What have we learned and what have we accomplished since the 1960s? What were the most prevalent themes during that "seeding"? The Uranus-Pluto Square will present a challenging test of what we have learned, and what we can and effectively must do with that knowledge.

Although the aspect will be most potent during the seven exact hits it will make from 2012-15, it will effectively be in orb from 2008 through 2018.

Uranus will be in Aries, Pluto will be in Capricorn. The most succinct description I've heard of this one is "energy struggling against containment".

Containment = Governments and Large Corporations entrenched and bent on maintaining the status quo at any cost, because the status quo literally means their survival. We see this side of the struggle gradually, if uneasily coming into focus now, as Pluto moves closer and closer to Capricorn. Last time Pluto transited Capricorn saw the American Revolution.

Energy = Literally new forms of energy not already in widespread use, such as hydrogen, wind, solar (and possibly free energy?), but also many new revolutionary ideas and ways of going about moving forward. Last time Uranus transited Aries saw President Franklin Roosevelt, a Socialist/Far Left Democratic Congress, and the New Deal programs. When Uranus nears the end of Pisces in a few years, we should really be able to pick up on the big shift in this energy. But then again, Uranus is such a sudden force...

Another way of looking at it is that Uranus in Aries will give us the chance to take new actions necessary to create and construct alternate institutions and delivery methods, even as Pluto in Capricorn challenges and tears down what presently exists. The question is, how quickly can we ourselves adapt to change and implement the alternative energies and solutions to the problems fostered by a dying power structure?

I've heard the word "revolution" come up several times in conversations and discussions over the past week or so. People have threatened it here in Ohio, perhaps jokingly, if Ken Blackwell is arrogant and foolish enough to outright steal the gubernatorial race from Ted Strickland.

Supposedly Blackwell-sympathising Republicans in Strickland's hometown have stooped so low as to challenge Strickland's residency (through a GOP-leaning DINO), and therefore his eligibility to participate as a candidate in the election.

It hasn't gained much traction thus far, but as Blackwell grows even more desperate, resorting recently to outrageous charges of pedophilia and homosexuality against Strickland, it has become apparent that he wants the governorship so badly that he may very well try anything to get it.

Why does a man desire a position of power so badly that he will literally say or do anything to get it? Certainly, Blackwell, DeWine and so many other Republican politicians running for their political careers now seem to be about something far more important than the interests of the people whom they should be representing. In fact, they are about themselves, and themselves alone.

I don't know about a full scale revolution... yet, and I hope it never becomes necessary. Ohioans seem to be thoroughly disgusted with the direction (or lack thereof) in this state, and our country, and many seem to be finally waking up to the harsh reality that we've been betrayed. I'm getting the feeling that there would be some sort of upheaval/backlash against him if Blackwell finds a way to try and steal the governorship, as no one would believe at this point that he is worthy of it. Hopefully, enough people question the outcome of the Brown-DeWine Senate race as well.

Good comments, NEO, and I hope you're right. Your post is on point with the article from Information Clearinghouse that WV posted above.

I'm sure that most of us here, like me, who had a political "rude awakening" in the wake of the 2000 "election" hijinks are ready for the tipping point that exposes these crooks for what they are in time for us to correct things.

And maybe we all saw it quicker than the population at large, but whatever, I just hope it's sooner rather than later. I'm sick of living under this cloud of despair.

NEO,
the answer is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!
Their God on High. Nowadays, illegally for the most part, coz hey, it's a job.

Reminds me a bit of trolls. No matter what you do or say to their face they just keep on going, it's a job. They might hide out for a while but you know they are always there lurking and waiting to get a foot in the door and get back in and cozy up once again. Hey, it's a job.

Did you read the disinfo llink I sent? Here it is again.

http://www.benfrank.net/disinfo/

Sharon, wv, and all, here you go.

http://donkeyod.blogspot.com/

Well... regarding the oh so charming and truly righteous Obama, I was just thinking of him this evening here below the skies, when organizing some papers to folders I came across an older prediction from Kirael.
It reads
"In your 2008 elections ( and don't start thinking this is so far off), the U.S. will either be priveleged to have it's first female president or, short of that, a male that is so balanced you won't even consider his sexual persuasion because you will hear him proudly proclaim to be a spiritualist.

That's right, it will be the first election contrived, propogated and finally won by a surge of independent belivers, who, by the way, will be quite different than your current independent types.
In this way you will get your first glimpse of the Great Shift in consciousness.
Soon into 2005 a third party of the former silent majority will surge to greater recognition and never once look back.

Tis a platform to be based on truth, trust and a grand passion for WE the People like you have not seen since the founding fathers so innocently set the United States in motion. Many will reread the piece of paper called the Constitution with a new enthusiasm."

Well that's quite understandable after dealing with this dark night of the soul buzz kill Bush and his ugly attempts to destroy it.

It could very well be that blessed Barack Obama and he is a spiritulist.
I have also lately noticed on C-span call in's a definately noticable surge in disillusioned voters who have turned Independent.

I've noticed the same thing deadacherry. Callers on the Republican line sound a little like democrats. The melding of the two should be interesting.

What keeps going through my mind as I watch in horror and disgust at what is happening in the US is "shades of Nixon". There are so many similarities between the Bush and Nixon administration that it is frightening. The baby boomer generation fought back against the restrictions and lies of the Nixonians and hopefully the time will come when the people of this country become enraged enough to do the same.

I wait with baited breath to see if the upcoming midterm election is the beginning of the tipping point (whether with this administration or the next) back towards the light.

This one in more virulent freethinker. They're more practiced.

Moderates in Kansas Decide They're Not in GOP Anymore

By Peter Slevin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, October 19, 2006; A01

WICHITA -- Paul Morrison, a career prosecutor who specializes in putting killers behind bars, has the bulletproof résumé and the rugged looks of a law-and-order Republican, which is what he was until last year. That was when he announced he would run for attorney general -- as a Democrat.

He is now running neck-and-neck with Republican Phill Kline, an iconic social conservative who made headlines by seeking the names of abortion-clinic patients and vowing to defend science-teaching standards that challenge Darwinian evolution. What's more, Morrison is raising money faster than Kline and pulling more cash from Republicans than Democrats.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/18/AR2006101801679_pf.html

Published on Monday, September 25, 2006 by CommonDreams.org

Republicans Give In To Bush, Betray America

by Thom Hartmann

Senators John McCain, John Warner, and Lindsey Graham were presented with an opportunity to uphold the fundamental human right known as habeas corpus, or flinch and write a law that would retroactively make sure that George W. Bush could not be prosecuted for violations of habeas corpus in our overseas concentration camps and prisons. It was a contest between protecting the President and protecting the Constitution.

The Republican senators flinched, and in last week's so-called "compromise" chose Bush over the Constitution. In doing so, they turned their backs on a rule of law that stretches back over nearly eight centuries to an epic moment in 1215 on a meadow by the River Thames in the United Kingdom.

The modern institution of civil and human rights, and particularly the writ of habeas corpus, began in June of 1215 when King John was forced by a group of feudal lords to sign the Magna Carta at Runnymede.

Two of the most critical parts of the Magna Carta were articles 38 and 39, which established the foundation for what is now known as "habeas corpus" laws (literally, "produce the body" from the Latin - meaning, broadly, "let this person go free or else give him a trial - you may not hold him forever with charging him with a crime"). The concept of habeas corpus in the Magna Carta led directly to the Fourth through Eighth Amendments of our Constitution, and hundreds of other federal and state due process provisions.

http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi?file=/views06/0925-35.htm

Happy New Moon to all AWs!

Indiana GOP's 'safe' seats up for grabs
Hot national and local issues push 3 key races Dems' way

- Edward Epstein, Chronicle Washington Bureau
Saturday, October 21, 2006

(10-21) 04:00 PDT Kokomo, Ind. -- When presidential election returns are reported every four years, Indiana is among the first states to reliably and resoundingly fall into the red Republican column.

But beneath the presidential level, Indiana is a fiercely competitive state between Democrats and Republicans. And that's particularly relevant this year when a trifecta of House races in the state could hold the key to whether the GOP will keep majority control in the House or Democrats will eke out at least the net gain of 15 seats they need to seize the majority they lost in 1994.

The fact that the three GOP-held seats are competitive fewer than three weeks before the Nov. 7 election shows how Republican prospects have soured in 2006.

"No one would have put them on the map'' of battleground seats if Republicans weren't in such trouble, said Amy Walter, House race analyst for the Cook Political Report, a Washington-based political insiders' newsletter.

"All three are going to be close, and all three are leaning toward the Democratic challengers,'' said William Blomquist, a political scientist at Indiana University-Purdue University at Indianapolis.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/10/21/MNGJILTP111.DTL&type=printable

Thanks Neo...I will be careful of what I wish for....in fact, I am so careful of what I wish for that I don't wish for anything anymore! I just try to ride the waves....

Well, this new moon seems to have brought about some good deep thinking....I like it....

As for those of us from the 60's, well....the dark forces managed to destroy or at least suppress us since 1968...so after 42 years, 2010, perhaps the tide will turn again....and consciousness change (or integration of hearts and minds) will return...

I think we need to be concentrating on the 2006 elections and not pushing a preferred candidate for 2008! We don't even know what's going to happen if the Democrats get a majority, and if the Republicans steal another election then it's nuts to be talking about anything after that since it's already pre-determined that the Republicans will steal all the elections! That is, if they don't just do away with elections altogether!

Is the Democratic Party prepared to stop election fraud? We'll talk, among others to RadioNation's STEVE ROSENFELD, co author of a brand-new book What Happened in Ohio? A Documentary Record of Theft and Fraud in the 2004 Election. (New Press, 2006.)

http://lauraflanders-com.c.topica.com/maafhEEabt9DtbRRvT4e/

Saturdays & Sundays, 7-10pm ET on Air America Radio

Luna, yeh....my sense is that roverster/bush know they've got the elections covered. I think there will be MUCH anger and chaos coming, but I think it means 2008 will be secured.

I was quite surprised by the outpouring in the SF Chronicle letters to the editor for two things...one, they ENDORSED Arnold for gov (Arnie just plunked 3.5 mill of his own dough into his campaign, despite the fact that he is ahead‚....and the letters started coming! wow....inundated with 'what the hell do you think you are doing endorsing Arnold, when you have cosistently reported on Angelides being such a loser; this isn't reporting, it is king making by your paper (my words!)' and then the editors endorsed the dem opponent running against 7 time incumbant the (slimeball) CA Rep.Richard Pombo who has had a 14 year career of looting....and the letters came in saying YEH!!!you got it right...one man in his 80's put off getting cancer treatment until Nov 7 so he could work on the Dem opponent (McNerney) campaign, and another one was from a conserv. republican who won't vote for Pombo again....pretty dyno-mite....

But I still think the machines make this a moot point.

And on top of that, the Supremes have said that Arizona can require photo ID to have people vote....geebus fricking yikes, this was a big problem in Arizona since the 1950's when the GOP in Ohio sent staff down to AZ and set up tables in front of voting places in the poorer sections of town (Phoenix) and intimidated voters. Our former, now dead, chief justice of the supremes Rehnquist was one of the staff who made his name doing that very thing.

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I get the Washington Post everyday, it is interesting to see how much more in depth they go on political coverage, (try www.washingtonpost.com by the way if you are in another state, lots of good stuff and op ed pieces). One thing that has me nervous is the last few days'articles about Karl Rove and how smug he is that the repugs will lose neither house nor senate. Either the fix is in, (what a surprise), or this is just his bravado. He makes my skin crawl. He is 55, but looks like a large, demented baby. The Post talked today about how if the repugs lose either house or senate, or both, Rove's "legacy/currecny" will be very devalued. God I hope is worth about 2 cents the day after election day. Still that smarmy smile has me vey worried, and suddenly races where the Dem was reportedly well ahead show the repug pulling up close, (like VA for example). It takes a reportedly "close" election for them to get away with voter fraud, and I think they are starting to throw out the bogus poll numbers to further that end. and heeeeeeeeeeere we go the Retrograde! Maybe it will back fire on the repugs this time!!

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Below is our Company price list :
MOTOROLA A388C = $110
MOTOROLA A760 = $213
MOTOROLA A768 = $150
MOTOROLA A768I = $170
MOTOROLA A780 = $110
MOTOROLA C550 = $70
MOTOROLA C650 = $90
MOTOROLA E365 = $100
MOTOROLA E398 = $80
MOTOROLA E680 = $140
MOTOROLA V220 = $110
MOTOROLA V303 = $80
MOTOROLA V400 = $90
MOTOROLA V500 = $100
MOTOROLA V501 = $110
MOTOROLA V525 = $90
MOTOROLA V690 = $100
MOTOROLA V750 = $100
MOTOROLA V80 = $110
MOTOROLA V872 = $110
MOTOROLA V878 = $100
MOTOROLA V300 = $110
MOTOROLA RAZR V3 = $130
MOTOROLA V600 (OEM) = $135
MOTOROLA V600 OEM = $115
MOTOROLA V80 WITH BLUETOOTH = $150
NOKIA 5100 = $50
NOKIA 5140 = $70
NOKIA 6100 = $50
NOKIA 6108 = $60
NOKIA 6220 = $70
NOKIA 6230 = $80
NOKIA 3200 = $30
NOKIA 3220 = $50
NOKIA 3300 = $50
NOKIA 3660 = $60
NOKIA 6230I= $110
NOKIA 6260 = $120
NOKIA 6270 = $160
NOKIA 6600 = $90
NOKIA 6630 = $80
NOKIA 6610 = $70
NOKIA 6610I= $90
NOKIA 6650 = $110
NOKIA 6820 = $60
NOKIA 7200 = $70
NOKIA 7210 = $50
NOKIA 3230 = $180
NOKIA 7610 = $110
NOKIA 9300 = $200
NOKIA 7250 = $60
NOKIA 7250I= $70
NOKIA 7260 = $120
NOKIA 7200 = $90
NOKIA 7600 = $80
NOKIA 7610 = $110
NOKIA 8910I= $100
NOKIA 7710 = $165
NOKIA 6680 = $135
NOKIA 8800 = $180
NOKIA 6680 = $125
NOKIA 6681 = $110
NOKIA N93=$220
NOKIA N92=$190
NOKIA N90 = $160
NOKIA N95=$280
NOKIA N91 = $175
NOKIA N70 = $160
NOKIA 6060 = $100
NOKIA 6111 = $160
NOKIA N-GAGE = $160
NOKIA N-GAGE QD = $180
NOKIA 6670 SMARTPHONE = $120 USD
NOKIA 9210I COMMUNICATOR = $120
NOKIA 9500 COMMUNICATOR = $170
NOKIA 9300 COMMUNICATOR = $140
SAMSUNG D500 = $140
SAMSUNG E600 = $165
SAMSUNG E800 = $160
SAMSUNG P510 = $110
SAMSUNG SGH-D410 = $140
SAMSUNG SGH-E700 = $110
SAMSUNG SGH-E715 = $120
SAMSUNG SGH-P100 = $90
SAMSUNG SGH-P400 = $70
SAMSUNG SGH-P408 = $180
SAMSUNG SGH-P730 = $100
SAMSUNG SGH-S200 = $60
SAMSUNG SGH-S300 = $40
SAMSUNG X450 = $80
SAMSUNG SGH-S300M = $80
SAMSUNG SGH-S500 = $80
SAMSUNG SGH-V200 = $100
SAMSUNG SGH-X400 = $90
SAMSUNG SGH-X430 = $90
SAMSUNG SGH-X600 = $90
SONY ERICSSON K500I = $110
SONY ERICSSON P800 = $240
SONY ERICSSON P900 = $180
SONY ERICSSON P910I = $190
SONY ERICSSON T230 = $60
SONY ERICSSON T310 = $70
SONY ERICSSON T610 = $80
SONY ERICSSON Z1010 = $220
SONY ERICSSON Z200 = $70
SONY ERICSSON Z600 = $100
SONY ERICSSSON T630 = $100
SONY ERICSSON S700I = $130
SONY ERICSSON S750I = $185
We Also have XBOX 360 /SONY PS3/ SONY PSP etc.
1. w/xbox 360 hard drive,
xbox 360 wireless controller,
xbox 360 faceplate,
xbox 360 headset,
xbox 360 component hd-av cable,
xbox live silver membership
(#xbox360pla)
$140
2. Sony Psp = $110
3.Nintendo Wii=$140
4.
New apple 60 gb ipod photo = $40
New apple 4 gb ipod nano = $60
New apple 2 gb ipod nano = $62
New apple 60 gb video ipod = $100
New apple 30 gb video ipod = $90
New apple 40 gb ipod photo = $40
New apple 4 gb ipod mini pink m9435ll/A = $40
New apple 20 gb ipod m9282ll/A = $60
New apple 4 gb ipod mini blue m9802ll/A = $64
New apple 4 gb ipod mini pink m9804ll/A = $64
New apple 4 gb ipod mini green m9806ll/A = $64
New apple 6 gb ipod mini blue m9803ll/A = $68
New apple 6 gb ipod mini silver m9801ll/A = $68
New apple 60 gb ipod photo m9830ll/A = $80
New apple 30 gb ipod photo m9829ll/A = $70
New apple 4 gb ipod mini blue 9436ll/A = $40
New apple 4 gb ipod mini silver m9160ll/A = $40
New apple 512 mb ipod mp3 player 9724ll/A= $50
New apple 20 gb ipod u2 special edition = $60
New apple 6 gb ipod mini green 9807ll/A = $60
LAPTOPS
SONY VAIO LAPTOP-- PCGK215M = $400
SONY VAIO DESKTOP-- RS504 = $400
SONY VAIO A217S-- 100GB-- 512MB RAM-- XP HOME = $500
SONY VAIO B1VP-- 40GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP PRO = $430
SONY VAIO T370P/L-- 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP = $400
SONY VAIO A215Z 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP = $450
SONY VAIO A397XP-- 80GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP = $700
SONY VAIO B100B08 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP = $450
SONY VAIO B100B08 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP = $600
SONY VAIO FS295VP 80GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP = $550
SONY VAIO FS215Z 100GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP = $650
SONY VAIO A417M 80GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP = $650
SONY VAIO B1VP-- 40GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP PRO = $300
SONY VAIO T370P/L-- 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP PRO = $600
SONY VAIO LAPTOP-- VGN-A117S = $600
SONY VAIO LAPTOP-- VGN-S1XP = $800
SONY VAIO LAPTOP-- VGN PCGK21 5Z = $500
SONY VAIO PCVW2 DESKTOP = $450
SONY VAIO LAPTOP-- VGN PCGK21 5S = $400
SONY VAIO DESKTOP-- V1 = $300
TOSHIBA SATELLITE LAPTOP- A40-231 = $300
TOSHIBA SATELLITE LAPTOP-- A40-892 = $350
TOSHIBA SATELLITE LAPTOP-- M30-106 = $400
TOSHIBA SATELLITE LAPTOP-- A40-892 = $350
TOSHIBA SATELLITE LAPTOP-- P20-102 = $500
TOSHIBA SATELLITE LAPTOP-- P10-803 = $500
TOSHIBA SATELLITE LAPTOP-- M30-832 = $400
TOSHIBA PORTEGE R100 40GB-- 512MB-- XP PRO = $500
TOSHIBA SATELLITE LAPTOP-- M30-742 = $550
TOSHIBA SATELLITE LAPTOP-- P20-801 = $500
TOSHIBA SATELLITE PRO A60 40GB-- C2.8GHZ-- 15INCH--DVD/CDR = $450
TOSHIBA TECRA M2 40GB-- PM 1.5GHZ-- 14INCH-- WIFI--DVD-CDRW = $500
ASUS A4744K-LH AMD64 POWER WORKSTATION LAPTOP = $450
APPLE IBOOK 1GHZ COMBO WITH 14 INCH DISPLAY = $300
APPLE IBOOK 1GHZ COMBO WITH 14 INCH DISPLAY = $300
ALPHASMART DANA PALM POWERED LAPTOP = $330
APPLE CINEMA HD 23-INCH TFT LCD MONITOR = $500
APPLE G5 POWERMAC 1.8GHZ DESKTOP COMPUTER = $500
APPLE G5 POWERMAC 2.0GHZ DESKTOP COMPUTER = $700
APPLE G5 POWERMAC 2.5GHZ DESKTOP COMPUTER = $100
ALPHASMART DANA PALM POWERED LAPTOP = $350
ALPHASMART DANA PALM POWERED LAPTOP = $300
APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.5GHZ SUPERDRIVE WITH 15 INCH DISPLAY = $700
APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.5GHZ SUPERDRIVE WITH 17 INCH DISPLAY = $600
APPLE 5GHZ SUPERDRIVE DESKTOP COMPUTER WITH 20 INCH MONITOR = $1, 200
ALPHASMART DANA PALM POWERED LAPTOP PACK WIFI VERSION = $400
APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.3GHZ COMBO WITH 15 INCH DISPLAY = $700
APPLE GHZ SUPERDRIVE DESKTOP COMPUTER WITH 20 INCH MONITOR = $450
APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.33GHZ COMBO WITH 12 INCH DISPLAY = $550
APPLE IBOOK 1.2GHZ COMBO WITH 14.1 INCH DISPLAY = $400
APPLE GHZ SUPERDRIVE DESKTOP COMPUTER WITH 17 INCH MONITORS = $400
APPLE GHZ COMBO DESKTOP COMPUTER WITH 17 INCH MONITOR = $300
APPLE IBOOK 1GHZ COMBO WITH 14 INCH DISPLAY = $300
APPLE IBOOK 1GHZ COMBO WITH 12 INCH DISPLAY = $300
OQO MODEL 01 ULTRA PERSONAL COMPUTER (XP PRO) = $450
FLYBOOK NOTEBOOK - WI-FI-- GPRS-- BLUETOOTH-- 1GHZ (BLACK) = $450
FUJITSU SIEMENS LIFEBOOK P7010 60GB-- P4 1.1GHZ-- 10.6INCH-- DVD/CDRW = $500
FLYBOOK NOTEBOOK - WI-FI-- GPRS-- BLUETOOTH-- 1GHZ (RED) = $600
FLYBOOK NOTEBOOK - WI-FI-- GPRS-- BLUETOOTH-- 1GHZ (BLUE) = $400
FLYBOOK NOTEBOOK - WI-FI-- GPRS-- BLUETOOTH-- 1GHZ (YELLOW)= $480
FLYBOOK NOTEBOOK - WI-FI-- GPRS-- BLUETOOTH-- 1GHZ (SILVER) = $500
HP PAVILION LAPTOP-- ZX5030 = $400
HP PAVILION LAPTOP-- ZD7145EA = $500
HP PAVILION LAPTOP-- ZD7255EA = $500
HP PAVILION LAPTOP-- ZX5151EA PHOTOSMART = $400
HP PAVILION LAPTOP-- ZT3215EA = $550
HP PAVILION LAPTOP-- ZX5275EA = $400
HP PAVILION LAPTOP-- ZT3350EA = $400
HP PAVILION LAPTOP-- ZV5230EA = $300
HP PAVILION LAPTOP-- ZV5213EA = $300
HP PAVILION LAPTOP-- ZV5169E = $300
HP MEDIA CENTER DESKTOP COMPUTER-- M1080 PHOTOSMART = $400
SAMSUNG LAPTOP-- X15PLUS HZM = $350
SAMSUNG LAPTOP-- X30 LWC 1500 = $500
SAMSUNG LAPTOP-- M40 HWM 745 = $500
SAMSUNG LAPTOP-- P28 LTC 330 = $300
G4 POWERBOOK 1.33GHZ SUPERDRIVE WITH 12 INCH
DISPLAY-$600
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We are wholesaler and units seller of Nokia, Sony Ericsson,phones,laptop.
Our Mobile Phones and laptop are:- Brand new saeled in company box,We are wholesaler and units seller of this items attach are our price list of the items,
any intressted buyers should contact us at our various mail or contact phone number....

Nokia N95.....$450usd
Nokia N93.....$200usd
Nokia N90.....$150usd
Nokia N91.....$160usd
Nokia N70.....$150usd
Nokia n80.....$180usd
Nokia n73.....$190usd
Nokia n71.....$160usd
Nokia n91.....$175usd
Nokia n90.....$160usd
Nokia n70.....$160usd
Nokia 8800....$190usd

Sidekick3 for just.....$150usd
Sidekick2 for just .....$120usd

Sony Ericsson 1900…..$160usd
Sony Ericsson J210i….$120usd
Sony Ericsson J300i….$130usd

Motorola MPX300.,……$165usd
Motorola V300……….$130usd
Motorola V3Razr……..$130usd
Motorola V400……….$150usd

Samsung D500………..$160usd
Samsung D600………..$180usd
Samsung D720………..$170usd
Samsung E310………..$134usd

and many more..............

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GLOBAL WORLD LIMITED.
Is a dedicated company of 3years experience in business,
We are created on 23/06/2003.
We have gained glory in the area of fast delivery and value for money,we deliver via FEDEX /UPS/ROYAL MAIL AND DHL, We have high quality product such as Laptops,Digital camera,Mobile phones, Plasma tvs,Computer parts such as hard disk,mother board,cd rom,keyboard,mouse etc,Play station,Ipod,Xbox,dvd writer, windows xp,office 2003 software,ip phone, USB port, Bluetooth earphone pda,i-mate at an affordable price. Our Product are brand new with warranty base on the goods you are ordering for. This product that we offer are based on customers wish and want,we don't take much time to deliver behind our promise,then we are using this medium to solicit for more patronage accross europe/america and asia continent... that we have got what it takes to make them happy,
OUR PRODUCT CONDITIONS .
Our product are imported from the producer; they
are factory sealed with original packets with complete
accessory, e.g. charger, extra battery and software c d. The
phones are simfree and it’s never lock to any network,
specification: (europeans/usa-specifications) general network
gsm 900/gsm 1800/gsm 1900 platform - tri band (gsm900 + 1800
For order placement enquiry and questions please contact.
GLOBAL WORLD LIMITED
ADDRESS:39/40 CALTHORPE ROAD,
BIRMINGHAM,
WEST MIDLANDS,
DATE:23/06/2003
REG NO: 0501789
CODE NO:B15 1TS
MAIL: GWLTD_SALE@yahoo.co.UK
MAIL:SALESSERVICESCARE@HOTMAIL.COM
TELL:+44-701-112-37-1

GLOBAL WORLD LIMITED.
Is a dedicated company of 3years experience in business,
We are created on 23/06/2003.
We have gained glory in the area of fast delivery and value for money,we deliver via FEDEX /UPS/ROYAL MAIL AND DHL, We have high quality product such as Laptops,Digital camera,Mobile phones, Plasma tvs,Computer parts such as hard disk,mother board,cd rom,keyboard,mouse etc,Play station,Ipod,Xbox,dvd writer, windows xp,office 2003 software,ip phone, USB port, Bluetooth earphone pda,i-mate at an affordable price. Our Product are brand new with warranty base on the goods you are ordering for. This product that we offer are based on customers wish and want,we don't take much time to deliver behind our promise,then we are using this medium to solicit for more patronage accross europe/america and asia continent... that we have got what it takes to make them happy,
OUR PRODUCT CONDITIONS .
Our product are imported from the producer; they
are factory sealed with original packets with complete
accessory, e.g. charger, extra battery and software c d. The
phones are simfree and it’s never lock to any network,
specification: (europeans/usa-specifications) general network
gsm 900/gsm 1800/gsm 1900 platform - tri band (gsm900 + 1800
For order placement enquiry and questions please contact.
GLOBAL WORLD LIMITED
ADDRESS:39/40 CALTHORPE ROAD,
BIRMINGHAM,
WEST MIDLANDS,
DATE:23/06/2003
REG NO: 0501789
CODE NO:B15 1TS
MAIL: GWLTD_SALE@yahoo.co.UK
MAIL:SALESSERVICESCARE@HOTMAIL.COM
TELL:+44-701-112-37-1

Here are some of the price list of available price list...
LAPTOPS AND SPECIFICATIONS.
LAPTOPS /NOTEBOOKS PC
--------------------------
Acer Ferrari 3200 - Mobile Athlon 64 2800+ -
RAM 512MB - HD 80 GB - DVD±RW / DVD-RAM -
- Win XP Pro - 15" TFT ............450USD


Acer Ferrari 3400LMi Notebook Ath64
3000+ 80gb 512mb
15" DVD supermulti Windows xp pro
...................................500USD
Acer Ferrari

3000LMi - Athlon XP-M 2500+ - RAM 512 MB- HD 60 GB - DVD±RW - Mdm -
LAN EN, Fast EN,Bluetooth, 802.11g - Win XP Home - 15" TFT SXGA+
(1400x 1050) ...........................480USD

Acer Ferrari 3200LMi - Mobile Athlon 64 2800+ / 1.6
GHz - RAM 512 MB - HD 80 GB - DVD±RW / DVD-RAM - Mdm -
LAN EN, Fast EN, 802.11g - Win XP Pro - 15" TFT SXGA+(1400 x 1050)
.................................650USD

Apple
Powerbook G4 1.67ghz
Processor 100gb Hard Drive 512mb Memory DVD-RW
Optical Drive Bluetooth 17" Screen
.....................................650USD

Apple PowerBook G4 - PPC G4
1.5 GHz - RAM 512 MB - HD80 GB - CD-RW / DVD-R - Mdm - LAN EN, Fast
EN, GigabitEN, Bluetooth, 802.11b, 802.11g - MacOS X 10.3 - 15.2"TFT
.................................600USD

Apple Powerbook G4 1.5ghz Processor 80gb Hard Drive
512mb Memory
DVD-RW Optical Drive Bluetooth 12" Screen
..............................500USD
Apple iBook G4 - PPC
G4 1.33 GHz - RAM 256 MB - HD 60GB - CD-RW / DVD-R - Mdm - LAN EN,
Fast EN, 802.11b,802.11g - MacOS X 10.3 - 14.1" TFT XGA (1024 x 768)
..................................500USD

Apple iBook Notebook M8861LL/A (800-MHz PowerPC G3,> 128 MB RAM, 30 GB Hard Drive)
.................................320USD

Apple iBook Notebook 14.1" M8862LL/A (800-MHz
PowerPCG3, 256 MB RAM, 30 GB Hard Drive, DVD/CD-RW Drive)
.....................................390USD

Sony
VAIO VGN-FS640/W Notebook PC (Intel Pentium M
Processor 730 (Centrino),512 MB RAM, 80
GB Hard Drive, Dbl Layer DVD+/-RW Drive)
.....................................310USD

Sony
VAIO VGN-FS660/W 15.4" Notebook PC (Intel Pentium
M Processor 740 (Centrino), 1 GB RAM,
80 GB Hard Drive, DVD+R Dbl Layer/DVD+/-RW Drive)
.....................................350USD

Sony VAIO VGN-T350P/L Notebook PC (Intel Premium M
Processor 753 (Centrion), 512 MB
RAM, 60 GB Hard Drive, Dbl Layer DVD+R/DVD+/-RW Drive)
.....................................420USD
Sony
VAIO VGN-S360 13.3" Notebook PC
(Intel Pentium MProcessor 735, 512 MB RAM,
80 GB Hard Drive, DVD/CD-RW Drive)
.....................................400USD

Sony VAIO VGN-A690 17"
Notebook PC (Intel Pentium M
Processor 750, 1 GB RAM, 100 GB Hard
Drive, Dual Layer DVD+/-RW Drive)
.....................................338USD

Sony VAIO VGN-A790 17"
Notebook PC (Intel Pentium M
Processor760 (Centrino), 1 GB RAM, 100 GB
Hard Drive,DVD+R Dbl Layer/DVD+/-RW Drive)
.....................................356USD

Sony VAIO PCG-K37
15.4" Notebook PC (Intel Pentium 4
Processor 538, 1 GB RAM, 80 GB Hard
Drive, DVD+/-RW Double Layer Drive)
.....................................450USD
Sony VAIO VGN-T140P/L 10.6"
Notebook PC (U/L/V Intel
Pentium M Processor 733 (Centrino), 512 MB RAM, 40 GB
.....................................680U Sony VAIO
VGN-T350/L Notebook PC (Intel Pentium M
Processor 753 (Centrino), 512
MB RAM, 60 GB HardDrive, Dbl Layer
DVD+R/DVD+/-RW Drives)
.....................................480USD

Sony VAIO PCG-K33P > 15.4" Notebook PC
(Mobile Intel Pentium 4 Processor 532,
512 MB RAM, 60 GB Hard Drive,
DVD/CD-RW Drive)

.....................................350USD
Sony VAIO PCG-K27
Notebook PC (3.06 GHz Pentium
4-M,512 MB RAM, 80 GB Hard Drive, DVD+/-
RW Drive)
.....................................450USD

Sony VAIO
GRT390 MP4-3.0G 60GB 512MB ( PCGGRT390ZPF )
.....................................460USD

Sony VAIO PCG-K45
15.4" Notebook PC (Mobile Intel
Pentium 4
Processor 538, 512 MB RAM, 80
GB Hard Drive,
DVD/CD-RW Drive)
.....................................530USD

Sony VAIO PCG-K33 15.4" Notebook
PC (Mobile Intel Pentium 4 Processor
532, 512 MB RAM, 60 GB Hard Drive,
DVD/CD-RW Drive)
.....................................600USD

Toshiba
Qosmio G25-AV513 17" Notebook PC (Intel
Pentium M Processor 760
(Centrino), 1024 MB RAM, 120
GB Hard Drive, SuperMulti DVD Dbl Layer
Drive)
.....................................582USD

Toshiba Satellite A65-S126
Notebook PC (2.80 GHz
Celeron, 256 MB RAM, 60 GB Hard Drive, DVD-CD-RW
Drive) > .....................................500USD

Toshiba Satellite A45-S250 Notebook PC (2.8 GHz
Pentium 4, 512 MB RAM,
60 GB Hard Drive, DVD+R/RW
Combo)
.....................................880USD

Toshiba Satellite 1135-S155
Notebook (2.0-GHz Celeron,
512 MB RAM, 40 GB Hard
Drive, DVD/CD-RW
Drive)
.....................................400USD

Toshiba Satellite A15-S127 Notebook (2.0-
GHz Celeron,256
MB RAM, 30 GB Hard Drive, DVD/CD-RW Drive)
.....................................550USD

Toshiba Satellite
5205-S703 Notebook (2.0-GHz Pentium> 4, 512 MB RAM, 60 GB Hard Drive)
.....................................620USD

Toshiba Satellite 2455-S305 Notebook (2.40-GHz
Pentium4, 512 MB
RAM, 60 GB Hard Drive)
.....................................650USD

Toshiba Satellite 1905-S301 Notebook (2.0-
GHz Pentium
4, 256 MB RAM, 40 GB Hard Drive)
.....................................700USD

Toshiba Satellite
1955-S806 ( PS197U-000LE6 )
.....................................550USD

Toshiba Satellite 2455-S306 (
PS245U-075RS6 )
.....................................620USD

Toshiba Satellite® Notebook PC with
Intel®
Pentium® 4Processor 2.8GHz with Hyper-Threading Technology> (PSP20U-> 1LKF3V)
.....................................570USD

Toshiba Satellite 5205-S705 Notebook (2.4-GHz
Pentium4-
M (Media Center), 512 MB RAM, 60 GB Hard Drive)
.....................................550USD
IBM TP T30 NB
P4/2000 256MB-40GB DVD UNAV ETH WXPP
.....................................650USD
IBM ThinkPad T42P Notebook
PC (2.00 GHz Pentium M
(Centrino), 1 GB RAM, 60 GB Hard Drive) 2373KTU
.....................................650USD
IBM THINKPAD R40 P4M-2G 20GB
.....................................450USD
Compaq Presario R3440US
15.4" Notebook PC (Intel
Pentium 4 Processor (Hyper-Threading),
512 MB
RAM, 80
GB Hard Drive, DVD+/-RW/CD-RW Drive)
.....................................700USD
HP Pavilion
zd7030us Media Center Notebook PC
(3.06-GHz Pentium 4, 512 MB RAM, 128
GB Hard Drive,
DVD+R/RW/CD-RW Drive) .....................................450USD

Compaq Presario R3320US
15.4" Notebook PC (Intel
Pentium 4 Processor with HT Technology, 512
MB
RAM, 60GB Hard Drive, DVD+/-RW/CD-RW Drive)
.....................................750USD

Compaq Presario
X6050US Notebook PC (Intel Pentium 4
Processor 530 (Hyper-Threading),
512 MB RAM, 80 GB
Hard Drive, DVD/CD-RW Drive)> .....................................520USD

Compaq Presario
R3290US Notebook PC (3.20 GHz Pentium
4, 512 MB RAM, 80 GB Hard Drive,
DVD+RW/CD-RW Drive)
.....................................460USD

HP Pavilion zd7280us Notebook PC (3.20 GHz
Pentium 4,512 MB RAM, 80 GB Hard Drive, DVD+RW Drive)> .....................................490USD

HP
Pavilion zd7310us 17" Notebook PC (Intel Pentium 4
Processor with HT
Technology, 512 MB RAM, 80 GB Hard Drive)
.....................................550USD

HP Pavilion zd8080us
17" Notebook PC (Intel Pentium 4
Processor 550 (Hyper-Threading), 1 GB
RAM, 100 GB Hard Drive, DVD+/-RW/CD-RW Drive)
.....................................590USD

HP Pavilion
zv5450us Notebook PC (Intel Pentium 4
(Hyper-Threading), 512 MB RAM,
100 GB Hard Drive,
DVD+/-RW/CD-RW Drive)
.....................................650USD
MOBILE PHONES:
NOKIA PHONES:

Nokia 8800 for $160usd
Nokia 9300 for $200usd
Nokia 9500 for $140usd
Nokia n73 for $170usd
Nokia n93 for $210usd
Nokia n92 for $200usd
Nokia n83 for $180usd
Nokia n80 for $180usd
Nokia n71 for $180usd
Nokia n91 for $190usd
Nokia n90 for $180usd
Nokia n70 for $170usd
Nokia 5500 for $200(sport phone)
Nokia neo for $210usd
SAMSUNG MOBILE PHONES:
Samsung serene for $190usd
Samsung x810 for $170usd
Samsung z700 for $1500usd
Samsung z710 for $145usd
Samsung i730 for $130usd
Samsung p860 for $170usd
Samsung p850 for $160usd
Samsung d500 for $150usd
Samsung d600 for $160usd
Samsung scgh i3000 $130usd
Samsung e800 $100usd
SONNY ERICSSON MOBILE PHONES:
Sony ericsson z1010 for $185usd
Sony ericsson w990 for $170usd
Sony ericsson w850i for $180usd
Sony ericsson w950i for $170usd
Sony ericcson p990 for $150usd
Sony ericsson w900 for $150usd
Sony ericsson w600 for $135usd
Sony ericsson p910i for $200usd
Sony ericsson p900 for $150usd
sony ericsson v600i for $120usd
Sony ericssson w800i for $150usd
Sony ericssson k700i for $100usd
Sony ericcson k500i for $100usd
Sony ericsson w850 for $180
Sony ericsson j220 for $200
Sony ericsson j230 for $190
Sony ericsson p800 for $190
LG 8150................$156usd
LG 8150................$145usd
LG G8000...............$134usd
MDA4...................$130usd
O2 3G Datacard.........$127usd
Orange Blackberry......$200usd
Orange 3G Datacard.....$165usd
Orange SPV C500........$145usd
Orange SPV M2000.......$134usd
Panasonic X60..........$129usd
Panasonic X70..........$134usd
Panasonic X300.........$124usd
Panasonic X700.........$152usd
Motorola v8 for $130usd
Motorola v600 for $90usd
Motorola v3 for $130usd
Motorola rokr e1 for $140usd
Motorola v3c for $160usd
Motorola slvr l7 for $150usd
Motorola q for $220usd
i-mate jas jar for $150usd
i-mate jam for $180usd
i-mate k jam for $230usd
i-mate JASJAM,....$230usd
i-mate K-JAM, ....$235.8
i-mate JASJAR,......$260usd
Qtek 9600, ....$240usd
Qtek 9100,...... $220usd
Qtek 9000,.....$250usd
Qtek 9090.......$200usd

SIDEKICK...
Sick kick i for $100usd
Side kick ii for $130usd
Side kick iii for $160usd
Nextel i930 for $130usd
Nextel i860 for $112usd
Nextel i870 for $140usd
Pamtero 600 for $145usd
Pamtero 650 for $170usd
Treo 650 for $140usd
Treo 700 for $180usd
Treo 750 for $2200usd
Eten m 500 for $140usd
APPLE IPOD NANO
IPODS/MP3 & GAMES:
Microsoft Xbox 360 Platinum Bundle Console .........$220
Microsoft Xbox 360 Core Systemt .........$200
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Blue M9802LL/A ........$40.00
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Pink M9804LL/A ....... $40.00
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Green M9806LL/A ...... $40.00
Apple 6 GB iPod Mini Blue M9803LL/A ....... $45.00
Apple 6 GB iPod Mini Silver M9801LL/A ..... $45.00
Apple 20 GB iPod M9282LL/A................. $35.00
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Pink M9435LL/A ....... $35.00
Apple 40 GB iPod photo .....................$35.00
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Silver M9160LL/A ..... $35.00
Apple 30 GB iPod Photo M9829LL/A .......... $50.00
Apple 512 MB iPod Shuffle MP3 Player M9724LL/A ... $55.00
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Blue M9436LL/A ........$45.00
Apple 6 GB iPod Mini Green M9807LL/A........$40.00

HERE IS OUR SALES CATALOG LISTED BELOW FOR YOU TO PLACE YOUR ORDER*

Nokia n95 for $400usd
Nokia n75 for $350usd
Nokia n73 for $300usd
Nokia n93 for $280usd
Nokia n92 for $200usd
Nokia n80 for $180usd
Nokia n71 for $1800usd
Nokia n91 for $190usd
Nokia n90 for $180usd
Nokia n70 for $170
Nokia 7380 for $280usd
Nokia 7370 for $260usd
Nokia 7360 for $2150usd
Nokia 6102 for $200

Nokia 6630 for $120usd
Nokia 6680 for $150usd
Nokia 7610 for $120usd
NNokia 7290 for $180
Nokia 3250 for $200
Nokia 6265i for $220
Nokia 6101 for $190
Nokia 6060 $200

Nokia 6270 for $200
Nokia neo for $250
Nokia 6230i for $150
Nokia e70 for $280usd
Nokia e61 for $260usd
Nokia 3250 for $250usd
Nokia 6280 for $220usd
Nokia 6270 for $200usd
Nokia 6600 for $100usd

Nokia 8800 for $160usd
Nokia 9300 for 4180usd
Nokia 9500 for $180usd
Nokia 6610i for $80usd
Nokia 7270 for $130usd
Nokia 7710 for $160usd
Nokia 6670 for $110usd
Nokia 3230 for $120usd

Sony ericsson p800 for $190
Sony ericsson w900 for $150usd
Sony ericcson p990 for $150usd
Sony ericsson w600 for $135usd
Sony ericsson p910i for $100usd
Sony ericsson p900 for $1150usd
sony ericsson v600i for $120usd
Sony ericsson j230 for $200

Sony ericsson w550 for walk man phone $220
Sony ericsson s600i for $240
Sony ericssson w800i for $150usd
Sony ericssson k700i for $100usd
Sony ericcson k500i for $100usd
Sony ericsson j220 for $250
Sony ericsson w850 for $180
Sagem my-x8 20usd for $130usd

Samsung serene for $250usd
Samsung x810 for $200usd
S amsung z700 for $260usd
Samsung p860 for $260usd
Samsung p850 for $220usd
Samsung d500 for $150usd
Samsung d600 for $170usd
Samsung scgh i3000 $150usd
Samsung e800 $100usd

Motorola rokr e1 for $160usd
Motorola v3x for $180usd
Motorola slvr l7 for $180usd
Motorola q for $250usd
Motorola v8 for $180usd
Motorola v600 for $90usd
Motorola v3 for $150usd

02 Phones
o2 xDA Exec ........ $280
02 XDA Atom ........ $260
02 XDA NEO ........ $265
02 XDA mini S ....... $270
02 XDA II mini ...... $200
02 XDA IIi ......... $180
02 XDA IIs ......... $185
O2 X2i ......... $120
02 X4 ......... $130
02 X3 ......... $120
02 x7 ......... $140

02 Phones
o2 xDA Exec ........ $280
02 XDA Atom ........ $260
02 XDA NEO ........ $265
02 XDA mini S ....... $270
02 XDA II mini ...... $200
02 XDA IIi ......... $180
02 XDA IIs ......... $185
O2 X2i ......... $120
02 X4 ......... $130
02 X3 ......... $120
02 x7 ......... $140

Qtek 9000 .................................$200
Qtek 9100 .................................$180
Qtek 8100..................................$160
Qtek 2020i.................................$120
Qtek 1010..................................$100
Qtek 8080..................................$165
Qtek 8310..................................$160
Qtek 9090..................................$170
Qtek 8500..................................$130
Qtek S200..................................$180
Qtek 9000..................................$250
Qtek 8310..................................$200
Qtek 8300..................................$185
Qtek S110..................................$125
Qtek S100..................................$190
Qtek 9090..................................$200
Qtek 8020..................................$190
Qtek 8010..................................$140
Qtek 2020..................................$200

02 Phones
o2 xDA Exec ........ $280
02 XDA Atom ........ $260
02 XDA NEO ........ $265
02 XDA mini S ....... $270
02 XDA II mini ...... $200
02 XDA IIi ......... $180
02 XDA IIs ......... $185
O2 X2i ......... $120
02 X4 ......... $130
02 X3 ......... $120
02 x7 ......... $140

Nextel 1930 for $130usd
Nextel 1860 for $112usd
Sick kick for $130usd
Pamtero 600 for $145usd
Pamtero 650 for $170usd

Treo 650 for $140usd
i-mate jas jar for $120usd
i-mate jam for $160usd
Eten m 500 for $140usd
Dvx-pod for $40usd

apple 6 GB iPod Mini Green M9807LL/A.........................$65USD
apple Ipod Nano 2GB ........................................ $85USD
apple Ipod Nano 4GB .........................................$100USD
Ipod video 30GB..............................................$130USD
Ipod video 60GB..............................................$190USD

XBOX 370 FOR JUST--------------------------------------------$170USD
play station ------------------------------------------------$120USD
play station 2 ----------------------------------------------$130USD
play station 3-----------------------------------------------$150USD
x_box 360----------------------------------------------------$200USD

GARMIN 396---------------------------------------------------$150USD
Game boy latext edition--------------------------------------$160USD
Apple 20 GB iPod --------------------------------------------$45USD

All Toshiba laptops
Toshiba Satellite PRO L10 $320
Toshiba M200 $500
Toshiba R100 $450
Toshiba Qosmio E10 $750
Toshiba Satellite PRO L20 $250
Toshiba M100 $680
Toshiba M300 $740
Toshiba Portege A200 $320
Toshiba Satellite L10 $330
Toshiba Qosmio F20 $500 *
*Dell Laptops
Dell Latitude D600 $290
Dell Latitude D500 t $200
Dell Inspiron 6000 $350
Dell Latitude D505 $340
Dell Latitude D610 $460
Dell Latitude D510 $320
Dell Inspiron 9300 $530 *
* *
*Sony Laptops
Sony VAIO VGN-T1 $680
Sony VAIO VGN-FS315 $420
Sony VAIO VGN-S3 $450
Sony VAIO VGN-TX1 $840
Sony VAIO VGN-FS215 $ 310
Sony VAIO VGN-S4 $470
Sony VAIO PCG-K35 $550
FLYBOOK NOTEBOOK - WI-FI-- GPRS-- BLUETOOTH-- 1GHZ
(RED)------$410
FLYBOOK NOTEBOOK - WI-FI-- GPRS-- BLUETOOTH-- 1GHZ
(BLUE)-----$300
FLYBOOK NOTEBOOK - WI-FI-- GPRS-- BLUETOOTH-- 1GHZ
(YELLOW)--$300
FLYBOOK NOTEBOOK - WI-FI-- GPRS-- BLUETOOTH-- 1GHZ
(SILVER)---$300
APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.5GHZ SUPERDRIVE WITH 15 INCH
DISPLAY--$500
APPLE G5 POWERMAC 2.0GHZ DESKTOP COMPUTER-------------$700
APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.5GHZ SUPERDRIVE WITH 17 INCH
DISPLAY--$400
APPLE G5 POWERMAC 2.5GHZ DESKTOP COMPUTER---------$100
APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.5GHZ SUPERDRIVE WITH 15 INCH
DISPLAY--$500
APPLE G5 POWERMAC 2.0GHZ DESKTOP COMPUTER---$700
APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.5GHZ SUPERDRIVE WITH 17 INCH
DISPLAY--$400
APPLE G5 POWERMAC 2.5GHZ DESKTOP COMPUTER---$100

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HERE IS OUR SALES CATALOG LISTED BELOW FOR YOU TO PLACE YOUR ORDER*

Nokia n95 for $400usd
Nokia n75 for $350usd
Nokia n73 for $300usd
Nokia n93 for $280usd
Nokia n92 for $200usd
Nokia n80 for $180usd
Nokia n71 for $1800usd
Nokia n91 for $190usd
Nokia n90 for $180usd
Nokia n70 for $170
Nokia 7380 for $280usd
Nokia 7370 for $260usd
Nokia 7360 for $2150usd
Nokia 6102 for $200

Nokia 6630 for $120usd
Nokia 6680 for $150usd
Nokia 7610 for $120usd
NNokia 7290 for $180
Nokia 3250 for $200
Nokia 6265i for $220
Nokia 6101 for $190
Nokia 6060 $200

Nokia 6270 for $200
Nokia neo for $250
Nokia 6230i for $150
Nokia e70 for $280usd
Nokia e61 for $260usd
Nokia 3250 for $250usd
Nokia 6280 for $220usd
Nokia 6270 for $200usd
Nokia 6600 for $100usd

Nokia 8800 for $160usd
Nokia 9300 for 4180usd
Nokia 9500 for $180usd
Nokia 6610i for $80usd
Nokia 7270 for $130usd
Nokia 7710 for $160usd
Nokia 6670 for $110usd
Nokia 3230 for $120usd

Sony ericsson p800 for $190
Sony ericsson w900 for $150usd
Sony ericcson p990 for $150usd
Sony ericsson w600 for $135usd
Sony ericsson p910i for $100usd
Sony ericsson p900 for $1150usd
sony ericsson v600i for $120usd
Sony ericsson j230 for $200

Sony ericsson w550 for walk man phone $220
Sony ericsson s600i for $240
Sony ericssson w800i for $150usd
Sony ericssson k700i for $100usd
Sony ericcson k500i for $100usd
Sony ericsson j220 for $250
Sony ericsson w850 for $180
Sagem my-x8 20usd for $130usd

Samsung serene for $250usd
Samsung x810 for $200usd
S amsung z700 for $260usd
Samsung p860 for $260usd
Samsung p850 for $220usd
Samsung d500 for $150usd
Samsung d600 for $170usd
Samsung scgh i3000 $150usd
Samsung e800 $100usd

Motorola rokr e1 for $160usd
Motorola v3x for $180usd
Motorola slvr l7 for $180usd
Motorola q for $250usd
Motorola v8 for $180usd
Motorola v600 for $90usd
Motorola v3 for $150usd

02 Phones
o2 xDA Exec ........ $280
02 XDA Atom ........ $260
02 XDA NEO ........ $265
02 XDA mini S ....... $270
02 XDA II mini ...... $200
02 XDA IIi ......... $180
02 XDA IIs ......... $185
O2 X2i ......... $120
02 X4 ......... $130
02 X3 ......... $120
02 x7 ......... $140

02 Phones
o2 xDA Exec ........ $280
02 XDA Atom ........ $260
02 XDA NEO ........ $265
02 XDA mini S ....... $270
02 XDA II mini ...... $200
02 XDA IIi ......... $180
02 XDA IIs ......... $185
O2 X2i ......... $120
02 X4 ......... $130
02 X3 ......... $120
02 x7 ......... $140

Qtek 9000 .................................$200
Qtek 9100 .................................$180
Qtek 8100..................................$160
Qtek 2020i.................................$120
Qtek 1010..................................$100
Qtek 8080..................................$165
Qtek 8310..................................$160
Qtek 9090..................................$170
Qtek 8500..................................$130
Qtek S200..................................$180
Qtek 9000..................................$250
Qtek 8310..................................$200
Qtek 8300..................................$185
Qtek S110..................................$125
Qtek S100..................................$190
Qtek 9090..................................$200
Qtek 8020..................................$190
Qtek 8010..................................$140
Qtek 2020..................................$200

02 Phones
o2 xDA Exec ........ $280
02 XDA Atom ........ $260
02 XDA NEO ........ $265
02 XDA mini S ....... $270
02 XDA II mini ...... $200
02 XDA IIi ......... $180
02 XDA IIs ......... $185
O2 X2i ......... $120
02 X4 ......... $130
02 X3 ......... $120
02 x7 ......... $140

Nextel 1930 for $130usd
Nextel 1860 for $112usd
Sick kick for $130usd
Pamtero 600 for $145usd
Pamtero 650 for $170usd

Treo 650 for $140usd
i-mate jas jar for $120usd
i-mate jam for $160usd
Eten m 500 for $140usd
Dvx-pod for $40usd

apple 6 GB iPod Mini Green M9807LL/A.........................$65USD
apple Ipod Nano 2GB ........................................ $85USD
apple Ipod Nano 4GB .........................................$100USD
Ipod video 30GB..............................................$130USD
Ipod video 60GB..............................................$190USD

XBOX 370 FOR JUST--------------------------------------------$170USD
play station ------------------------------------------------$120USD
play station 2 ----------------------------------------------$130USD
play station 3-----------------------------------------------$150USD
x_box 360----------------------------------------------------$200USD

GARMIN 396---------------------------------------------------$150USD
Game boy latext edition--------------------------------------$160USD
Apple 20 GB iPod --------------------------------------------$45USD

All Toshiba laptops
Toshiba Satellite PRO L10 $320
Toshiba M200 $500
Toshiba R100 $450
Toshiba Qosmio E10 $750
Toshiba Satellite PRO L20 $250
Toshiba M100 $680
Toshiba M300 $740
Toshiba Portege A200 $320
Toshiba Satellite L10 $330
Toshiba Qosmio F20 $500 *
*Dell Laptops
Dell Latitude D600 $290
Dell Latitude D500 t $200
Dell Inspiron 6000 $350
Dell Latitude D505 $340
Dell Latitude D610 $460
Dell Latitude D510 $320
Dell Inspiron 9300 $530 *
* *
*Sony Laptops
Sony VAIO VGN-T1 $680
Sony VAIO VGN-FS315 $420
Sony VAIO VGN-S3 $450
Sony VAIO VGN-TX1 $840
Sony VAIO VGN-FS215 $ 310
Sony VAIO VGN-S4 $470
Sony VAIO PCG-K35 $550
FLYBOOK NOTEBOOK - WI-FI-- GPRS-- BLUETOOTH-- 1GHZ
(RED)------$410
FLYBOOK NOTEBOOK - WI-FI-- GPRS-- BLUETOOTH-- 1GHZ
(BLUE)-----$300
FLYBOOK NOTEBOOK - WI-FI-- GPRS-- BLUETOOTH-- 1GHZ
(YELLOW)--$300
FLYBOOK NOTEBOOK - WI-FI-- GPRS-- BLUETOOTH-- 1GHZ
(SILVER)---$300
APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.5GHZ SUPERDRIVE WITH 15 INCH
DISPLAY--$500
APPLE G5 POWERMAC 2.0GHZ DESKTOP COMPUTER-------------$700
APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.5GHZ SUPERDRIVE WITH 17 INCH
DISPLAY--$400
APPLE G5 POWERMAC 2.5GHZ DESKTOP COMPUTER---------$100
APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.5GHZ SUPERDRIVE WITH 15 INCH
DISPLAY--$500
APPLE G5 POWERMAC 2.0GHZ DESKTOP COMPUTER---$700
APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.5GHZ SUPERDRIVE WITH 17 INCH
DISPLAY--$400
APPLE G5 POWERMAC 2.5GHZ DESKTOP COMPUTER---$100

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WE SELL LATEST BRAND NEW MOBILES PHONES, APPLE IPODS AND LAPTOP,XBOX PREMIUM, UNLOCKED AT CHEAP PRICE,WITH COMPLETE ACCESSORIES AND 1 YEAR INTERNATIONAL WARRANTY
CONTACT US VIA….(phoneslimited@hotmail.com)
nokia N95.........$300USD
Nokia N93……..$250USD
Nokia N92…….$200USD
Nokia N83…….$175USD
Nokia N91…….$180USD
Nokia N90…….$170USD
Nokia N70…….$150USD
Nokia N71…….$155USD
Nokia N72……..$160USD
Nokia N73……..$165USD
Nokia 7360…….$165USD
Nokia 7380……..$175USD
Nokia 7370……..$170USD
Nokia 8800……$140USD
Nokia 8801…….$145usd
Nokia N80…….$160USD
Nokia 7710…….$145USD
Nokia 7610…….$120usd
Nokia 9300……$145USD
Nokia 9500……$170USD
Nextel i930………$130usd
Nextel i870………$120usd
Nextel i860………$110usd
Sony Ericsson w900i….$140usd
Sony Ericsson W800i….$135usd
sony Ericsson w700…..$130usd
sony Ericsson w600i….$125usd
sony Ericsson w300…..$120usd
sony Ericsson w950…..$160usd
Sony Ericsson p990i….$145usd
Sony Ericsson m600i…..$175usd
sony Ericsson m600…..$170usd
Sony Ericsson p990…..$140usd
Sony Ericsson p910i….$125usd
Treo 700……………$200usd
Treo 600……………$150usd
Treo 650……………$160usd
Motorola razor v3………$130usd
Motorola razor v3 pink edition….$130usd
Motorola v3X……………….$140usd
Motorola MPX300.,…$150usd
Motorola V3i……….$150usd
Motorola L7……….$140USD
Samsung D800……….$210USD
Samsung D820……….$220USD
Samsung D500………$160usd
Samsung d600………$170usd
SIDEKICK 2……….$120USD
SIDEKICK 3……….$200USD
I-MATE JASJER…….$260USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Pink M9435LL/A ……40 USD
Apple 40 GB iPod photo………………..40 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Silver M9160LL/A ….40 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Photo M9830LL/A……….60 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod photo ……………….55 USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Photo M9829LL/A……….50 USD
Apple 512 MB iPod Shuffle MP3 Player……40 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Blue M9436LL/A…….45 USD
Apple 2 GB iPod Nano………………….50 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Nano………………….60 USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Vidoe……………….110 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Vidoe……………….150 USD
X box premium console ……………… 190usd
Ps3 …………………………………220usd
Ps2 …………………………………..160usd
SIDEKICK II AT JUST $120usd
Mitac MIO 8930……$280usd

Brand New Mobile Phone, Game Console and others For sale.
Price are listed below.
Game Console.
Sony PSP Giga Pack ........................$ 80 usd
Sony PSP Value Pack........................$ 90 usd
Nintendo wii Console.........................$ 130 usd
Xbox 360 Platinum System ...............$ 170 usd
Microsoft Xbox 360 Core System .......$ 175 usd
Playstation 2.....................................$ 110 usd
Playstation 3 (20 GB).........................$ 190 usd
Playstation 3 (60 GB).........................$ 220 usd
Mobile Phone.
Nokia 6680....$ 125 usd
Nokia 6820....$ 70 usd
Nokia 7200....$ 70 usd
Nokia 7210....$ 60 usd
Nokia 7610....$ 110 usd
Nokia 7250i...$ 60 usd
Nokia 7260....$ 120 usd
Nokia 7280....$ 140 usd
Nokia 7600....$ 80 usd
Nokia 8910i...$ 110 usd
Nokia 9210i...$ 130 usd
Nokia 9500....$ 150 usd
Nokia 9300....$ 145 usd
Nokia 8800.....$200 usd
Nokia N70......$ 160 usd
Nokia N72......$ 165 usd
Nokia N73......$ 170 usd
Nokia N80......$ 175 usd
Nokia N90......$ 180 usd
Nokia N92......$ 185 usd
Nokia N93......$ 195 usd
Nokia N95......$ 210 usd
Motorola L6..$ 100 usd
Motorola L7..$ 105 usd
Motorola RAZR V3.....$ 120 usd
Motorola RAZR V3i....$ 130 usd
Motorola RAZR V3x...$ 140 usd
Motorola V220..$ 100 usd
Motorola V600..$ 110 usd
Motorola V690..$ 100 usd
Motorola V872..$ 100 usd
We also have other brand like samsung, Sony Ericsson, Siemens, Panasonic and we also have other product like lcd / plasma tv, digital camera, camcorder, laptops, GPS e.t.c
Condition:Brand New and Unlocked in original factory boxes
Packing: Standard or OEM packing (with manual, charger,battery , Ear piece , softwares and Handset)
If you are interested do not hesitate to contact mactiveltd@yahoo.co.uk,mactiveltd@myway.com,mactiveltds@hotmail.com
for more information, and at the same time we hope to set up a long - term business relationship with your esteemed company in the very near future.
We give discount for bulk quantity ordered for,You buy up to 5 units of any products,you get 2 of that product free.
Thanks
Mr. Bruce Sidor
MARKET ACTIVE LIMITED
Address: BRIDGE HOUSE, LONDON BRIDGE, LONDON, SE1 9QR
Tel: + 447024025419
We Wait To Receive Your Order.

Brand New Mobile Phone, Game Console and others For sale.
Price are listed below.
Game Console.
Sony PSP Giga Pack ........................$ 80 usd
Sony PSP Value Pack........................$ 90 usd
Nintendo wii Console.........................$ 130 usd
Xbox 360 Platinum System ...............$ 170 usd
Microsoft Xbox 360 Core System .......$ 175 usd
Playstation 2.....................................$ 110 usd
Playstation 3 (20 GB).........................$ 190 usd
Playstation 3 (60 GB).........................$ 220 usd
Mobile Phone.
Nokia 6680....$ 125 usd
Nokia 6820....$ 70 usd
Nokia 7200....$ 70 usd
Nokia 7210....$ 60 usd
Nokia 7610....$ 110 usd
Nokia 7250i...$ 60 usd
Nokia 7260....$ 120 usd
Nokia 7280....$ 140 usd
Nokia 7600....$ 80 usd
Nokia 8910i...$ 110 usd
Nokia 9210i...$ 130 usd
Nokia 9500....$ 150 usd
Nokia 9300....$ 145 usd
Nokia 8800.....$200 usd
Nokia N70......$ 160 usd
Nokia N72......$ 165 usd
Nokia N73......$ 170 usd
Nokia N80......$ 175 usd
Nokia N90......$ 180 usd
Nokia N92......$ 185 usd
Nokia N93......$ 195 usd
Nokia N95......$ 210 usd
Motorola L6..$ 100 usd
Motorola L7..$ 105 usd
Motorola RAZR V3.....$ 120 usd
Motorola RAZR V3i....$ 130 usd
Motorola RAZR V3x...$ 140 usd
Motorola V220..$ 100 usd
Motorola V600..$ 110 usd
Motorola V690..$ 100 usd
Motorola V872..$ 100 usd
We also have other brand like samsung, Sony Ericsson, Siemens, Panasonic and we also have other product like lcd / plasma tv, digital camera, camcorder, laptops, GPS e.t.c
Condition:Brand New and Unlocked in original factory boxes
Packing: Standard or OEM packing (with manual, charger,battery , Ear piece , softwares and Handset)
If you are interested do not hesitate to contact mactiveltd@yahoo.co.uk,mactiveltd@myway.com,mactiveltds@hotmail.com
for more information, and at the same time we hope to set up a long - term business relationship with your esteemed company in the very near future.
We give discount for bulk quantity ordered for,You buy up to 5 units of any products,you get 2 of that product free.
Thanks
Mr. Bruce Sidor
MARKET ACTIVE LIMITED
Address: BRIDGE HOUSE, LONDON BRIDGE, LONDON, SE1 9QR
Tel: + 447024025419
We Wait To Receive Your Order.

WE ARE SELLING ALL KIND OF MOBILE PHONES AND LAPTOP,DIGITAL Presently we
OFFER BUY 2 GET FREE SHIPPING OR BUY 3 GET ONE FREE.
DO CONTACT us by........sunnyphonestore@lycos.com
........sunnyphones04@gmail.com
.........sunnyphones004@hotmail.com

phones listed below...........

HTC P4350........$210usd I-MATE HTC P3600 Cellular...$220
HTC Tytn Quadband QWERTY....$240

Nokia n93i...$250 Nokia n76 ....$260
Nokia N95....$270 Nokia N75....$220
Nokia N93........$170 Nokia N83.......$170
Nokia N73.......$180usd Nokia N72.......$160
Nokia E60.......$150usd Nokia N90.......$100usd
Nokia N91.......$150usd Nokia n92.......$160usd
Nokia E61........$170usd Nokia n80........$150usd
Nokia 7390 ....$200usd Nokia 7370 ....$1\30usd
Nokia 7380...$160usd Nokia 8800....$120usd
Nokia 8800 sirocco.......$145usd Nokia 9500......$170usd
Nokia 7710....$110usd Nokia 8801.....$155usd

imate jasjam......$150 Imate jasjer....$140

Samsung serene ........$160 SAMSUNG P900........$170
Samsung z710....$150 Samsung D900.........$180usd

Motorola RAZR maxx....$160 Motorloa KRZR.....$160
M otorola RIZR z6.........$220 Motorloa razr v3xx....$150
Motorola v3.......$90usd Motorola v3m........$120

Motorola MPX300.,...$115usd Nextel i930.........$90usd
nextel i870.........$80usd

Side kick 2 for $150usd Side kick 3 for $170us

Qtek 9600 ........$180 Qtek 9100...... .$160

Sony ericsson w880 at $200 Sony ericsson w900i ......$150
Sony ericsson w950i ...$160 sony ericsson w810.....$145
Sony Ericsson W800i....$140usd Sony ericsson 850i......$160
Sony Ericsson P990i....$160usd sony ericsson k800i ....$140
sony ericsson k790i ....$160 sony Ericsson M600i....$150usd

Treo 700w ....$150 Treo 750V...............$200usd


NINTENDO WII.....$250 xbox360 .....$150

PLAY STATION 2 AT JUST$150USD
PLAY STATION 3 AT JUST $250USD
TomTom GO 910 Portable GPS Navigation.......$200
TomTom GO 710 Portable GPS Navigation......$180
Navman iCN 510 32MB Vehicle GPS Navigator.....$200
Garmin Nuvi 360 Pocket Vehicle GPS Navigator.....$250
Garmin Nuvi 680 Pocket Vehicle GPS Navigator.......$450
Garmin Nuvi 660 Pocket Vehicle GPS Navigator.....$400
Garmin Nuvi 610 Pocket Vehicle GPS Navigator....$380

NEW PIONEER CDJ-1000 MP3 MK3 PLAYER........$450
NEW PIONEER CDJ-800 MP3 MK3 PLAYER .........$320
NEW PIONEER CDJ-1000 MP3 MK2 PLAYER ........$300
NEW PIONEER CDJ-800 MP3 MK2 PLAYER .........$280
NEW PIONEER DJM 1000...$700
NEW PIONEER DJM 800.....$600
NEW PIONEER DJM 600....$500
NEW Pioneer DVJ-X1 DVD .........................$700

CANON EOS-1D Mark II-N 8 Megapixel Digital....$900
Canon EOS-5D Digital , 12.8 Megapixels.......$500
Canon XH A1 1.67MP 3CCD Camcorder with 20x Optical Zoom...$850
Canon XL2 3CCD MiniDV Camcorder w/20x Optical Zoom......$800
Canon XL1 Digital Camcorder Kit.....................$600
Canon EOS 1D Mark II N 8.2MP Digital SLR Camera....$850
Canon Camera Kit 1234B002............$350
Canon EOS 30D Digital SLR Camera & Canon....$400


JVC 52-Inch BRAND NEW PLASMA TV .......$600
42 inch LG-42PC3D HDTV Plasma TV................................$550
42 inch LG-42PC3D HDTV Plasma TV ................................$550
42 Inch HD TV Flat Panel Plasma Television ........................$450
Sharp AQUOS LC-65D90U 65" 1080p ................$1500
Sharp AQUOS LC-52D62U 52" 1080p..............$850
Sharp LC37D43U 37-inch AQUOS LCD Flat Panel HDTV ....$500



pls do contact us by sunnyphonestore@lycos.com
........sunnyphones04@gmail.com
.........sunnyphones004@hotmail.com

we offer for sale brand new electronics, ranging form mobiles,laptops,ipods etc,we have all the latest models in stock ,and all our goods comes with warranty.
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NOKIA
n83 $190usd
n95 $400
n94 $250
n93 $300
n90 $190
n91 $200
n92 $260
n80 $230
n70 $150
n71 $240
E70 $280usd

Nokia N72 $220usd
Nokia N73. $230usd
Nokia N75 $280usd
Nokia 7360 $200usd
Nokia 7380 $175USD
Nokia 7370 $170usd
Nokia 8801 $155usd
Nokia e62 $300
nokia 8800 $170
nokia 9300 $150
9300i $160
9500 $160
nokia 3250 $200
nokia 6600 $100

MOTOROLA

MTOROLA MPX 300 $130USD

MOTOROLA MPX 200 $125USD

motorola q $300
MOTOROLA V3X $130
MOTOROLA A1010 $110
MOTOROLA V3 $120
MOTOROLA V230 $110
MOTOROLA V235 $100
MOTOROLA E680i $110
Motorola V3i $150usd
Motorola L7 $140USD
NEXTEL

Nextel i930 $150
Nextel i860 $120
NEXTEL i870 $110

SONY ERICSSON

SONY ERICSSON P990I $240
SONY ERICSSON K750 $200
SONY ERICSSON Z800 $200
SONY ERICSSON V800 $180
SONY ERICSSON P910a $130
SONY ERICSSON P910i $120
SONY ERICSSON P900 $100
SOMY ERICSSON W800i $220
SONY ERICSSON W900 $250
Sony Ericsson m600i $175usd
sony Ericsson m600 $170usd
sony Ericsson w700 $$170usd
sony Ericsson w600i $170usd
sony Ericsson w300 $145usd
sony Ericsson w950 $260

SAMSUNG

Samsung D800 $210USD
Samsung D820 $220USD
Samsung serene $250usd
Samsung x810 $200usd
Samsung z700 $220usd
Samsung z710 $260usd
Samsung p860 $260usd
Samsung p850 $220usd
Samsung d500 $120usd
Samsung d600 $140usd
Samsung d900 $170usd
Samsung scgh i3000 $150usd
Samsung e800 $100usd
SAMSUNG M8000 $240
SAMSUNG MM-A940 CLAMSHELL $230
LATEST SAMSUNG D6OO $15O
SAMSUNG D410 $100
SAMSUNG SGH-T200 $110

SIDEKICK

SIDEKICK $130usd
SIDEKICK 2 $150usd
SIDEKICK 3 200usd

PDAS

PALM TREO 650 $200
PALMONE TREO 600 $200
PALMONE TREO 180 $140
TREO 700 $250
TREO 750 $260
I-MATE PDA2 $140
I-MATE K-JAM $170
I-MATE JAM $160
I-MATE JAS JAR $300
I-MATE JASJAM $500
Eten m 500 $160
Eten m 600 $260

Qtek

Qtek s200.....$120
Qtek 9000.....$125
Qtek 8310 ....$170
Qtek 8300.....$180
Qtek 9100.....$185
Qtek 8100.....$195
Qtek s110.....$190
Qtek s100.....$180
Qtek 9090.....200
Qtek 8020.....$195
Qtek 8010.....$160
Qtek 2020i....$230
Qtek 2020.....$190
Qtek 8080.....$140
Qtek 8060.....$1140
Qtek 1010.....$120
Qtek 7070.....$210

IPODS

Ipod video 30 GB $140USD
Ipod video 60GB. $200USD
Apple iPod nano Media Player 2GB -- $130 USD
Apple iPod naNo Media Player 4GB -- $140USD
Apple iPod nano Media Player 6GB -- $200USD
Apple iPod Video 30GB Black MP3 Player....$100
Apple iPod Video 30GB silver MP3 Player....$100
Apple iPod 20GB MP3 Player......$80
Apple iPod nano 2GB White MP3 Player....$70
Apple iPod shuffle 1GB MP3 Player.....$50
Apple iPod Mini - Silver MP3 Player.....$130
Apple iPod nano 4GB Black MP3 Player.....$150
Apple iPod Photo 30GB MP3 Player......$120
Apple iPod Photo 60GB MP3 Player........$170
Apple iPod U2 Special Edition MP3 Player....$200

GAMES

XBOX 360 PREMIUM--US$200
play station 1------- $35
PLAY STATION 2----US$170
PLAY STATION 3--$190
IPOD NANO----US$130
SONY PSP-----US$120

Toshiba Satellite PRO L10 $320
Toshiba M200 $500
Toshiba R100 $450
Toshiba Qosmio E10 $750
Toshiba Satellite PRO L20 $250
Toshiba M100 $680
Toshiba M300 $740
Toshiba Portege A200 $320
Toshiba Satellite L10 $330
Toshiba Qosmio F20 $500 *
*Dell Laptops
Dell Latitude D600 $290
Dell Latitude D500 t $200
Dell Inspiron 6000 $350
Dell Latitude D505 $340
Dell Latitude D610 $460
Dell Latitude D510 $320
Dell Inspiron 9300 $530 *
* *
*Sony Laptops
Sony VAIO VGN-T1 $680
Sony VAIO VGN-FS315 $420
Sony VAIO VGN-S3 $450
Sony VAIO VGN-TX1 $840
Sony VAIO VGN-FS215 $ 310
Sony VAIO VGN-S4 $470
Sony VAIO PCG-K35 $550

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we offer for sale brand new electronics, ranging form mobiles,laptops,ipods etc,we have all the latest models in stock ,and all our goods comes with warranty.
clogmobiles@outgun.com

NOKIA
n83 $190usd
n95 $400
n94 $250
n93 $300
n90 $190
n91 $200
n92 $260
n80 $230
n70 $150
n71 $240
E70 $280usd

Nokia N72 $220usd
Nokia N73. $230usd
Nokia N75 $280usd
Nokia 7360 $200usd
Nokia 7380 $175USD
Nokia 7370 $170usd
Nokia 8801 $155usd
Nokia e62 $300
nokia 8800 $170
nokia 9300 $150
9300i $160
9500 $160
nokia 3250 $200
nokia 6600 $100

MOTOROLA

MTOROLA MPX 300 $130USD

MOTOROLA MPX 200 $125USD

motorola q $300
MOTOROLA V3X $130
MOTOROLA A1010 $110
MOTOROLA V3 $120
MOTOROLA V230 $110
MOTOROLA V235 $100
MOTOROLA E680i $110
Motorola V3i $150usd
Motorola L7 $140USD
NEXTEL

Nextel i930 $150
Nextel i860 $120
NEXTEL i870 $110

SONY ERICSSON

SONY ERICSSON P990I $240
SONY ERICSSON K750 $200
SONY ERICSSON Z800 $200
SONY ERICSSON V800 $180
SONY ERICSSON P910a $130
SONY ERICSSON P910i $120
SONY ERICSSON P900 $100
SOMY ERICSSON W800i $220
SONY ERICSSON W900 $250
Sony Ericsson m600i $175usd
sony Ericsson m600 $170usd
sony Ericsson w700 $$170usd
sony Ericsson w600i $170usd
sony Ericsson w300 $145usd
sony Ericsson w950 $260

SAMSUNG

Samsung D800 $210USD
Samsung D820 $220USD
Samsung serene $250usd
Samsung x810 $200usd
Samsung z700 $220usd
Samsung z710 $260usd
Samsung p860 $260usd
Samsung p850 $220usd
Samsung d500 $120usd
Samsung d600 $140usd
Samsung d900 $170usd
Samsung scgh i3000 $150usd
Samsung e800 $100usd
SAMSUNG M8000 $240
SAMSUNG MM-A940 CLAMSHELL $230
LATEST SAMSUNG D6OO $15O
SAMSUNG D410 $100
SAMSUNG SGH-T200 $110

SIDEKICK

SIDEKICK $130usd
SIDEKICK 2 $150usd
SIDEKICK 3 200usd

PDAS

PALM TREO 650 $200
PALMONE TREO 600 $200
PALMONE TREO 180 $140
TREO 700 $250
TREO 750 $260
I-MATE PDA2 $140
I-MATE K-JAM $170
I-MATE JAM $160
I-MATE JAS JAR $300
I-MATE JASJAM $500
Eten m 500 $160
Eten m 600 $260

Qtek

Qtek s200.....$120
Qtek 9000.....$125
Qtek 8310 ....$170
Qtek 8300.....$180
Qtek 9100.....$185
Qtek 8100.....$195
Qtek s110.....$190
Qtek s100.....$180
Qtek 9090.....200
Qtek 8020.....$195
Qtek 8010.....$160
Qtek 2020i....$230
Qtek 2020.....$190
Qtek 8080.....$140
Qtek 8060.....$1140
Qtek 1010.....$120
Qtek 7070.....$210

IPODS

Ipod video 30 GB $140USD
Ipod video 60GB. $200USD
Apple iPod nano Media Player 2GB -- $130 USD
Apple iPod naNo Media Player 4GB -- $140USD
Apple iPod nano Media Player 6GB -- $200USD
Apple iPod Video 30GB Black MP3 Player....$100
Apple iPod Video 30GB silver MP3 Player....$100
Apple iPod 20GB MP3 Player......$80
Apple iPod nano 2GB White MP3 Player....$70
Apple iPod shuffle 1GB MP3 Player.....$50
Apple iPod Mini - Silver MP3 Player.....$130
Apple iPod nano 4GB Black MP3 Player.....$150
Apple iPod Photo 30GB MP3 Player......$120
Apple iPod Photo 60GB MP3 Player........$170
Apple iPod U2 Special Edition MP3 Player....$200

GAMES

XBOX 360 PREMIUM--US$200
play station 1------- $35
PLAY STATION 2----US$170
PLAY STATION 3--$190
IPOD NANO----US$130
SONY PSP-----US$120

Toshiba Satellite PRO L10 $320
Toshiba M200 $500
Toshiba R100 $450
Toshiba Qosmio E10 $750
Toshiba Satellite PRO L20 $250
Toshiba M100 $680
Toshiba M300 $740
Toshiba Portege A200 $320
Toshiba Satellite L10 $330
Toshiba Qosmio F20 $500 *
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Dell Latitude D600 $290
Dell Latitude D500 t $200
Dell Inspiron 6000 $350
Dell Latitude D505 $340
Dell Latitude D610 $460
Dell Latitude D510 $320
Dell Inspiron 9300 $530 *
* *
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Sony VAIO VGN-T1 $680
Sony VAIO VGN-FS315 $420
Sony VAIO VGN-S3 $450
Sony VAIO VGN-TX1 $840
Sony VAIO VGN-FS215 $ 310
Sony VAIO VGN-S4 $470
Sony VAIO PCG-K35 $550

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PRODUCT LIST:
HTC PHONES:
HTC Advantage X7500 ------- $280
HTC Shift UMPC ------------ $230
HTC P6300 Value ----------- $240
HTC Touch GSM Cellular ---- $190
HTC S630 BLACK ------------ $210
HTC TYTN II KAISER P4550 --------- $200
Cingular 8125 ------------- $155
Cingular 8525 HTC TyTn ---- $170
HTC 9100 Tmobile MDA (unlocked) -- $160
HTC Advantage Pocket PC (Athena) -- $120
HTC P3300 --- $200
HTC P3350 --- $1,100
HTC P3400 --- $205
HTC P3600 (Trinity) -- $210
HTC P6500 (HTC Sirius) -- $230
HTC S710 Smartphone -- $240
HP iPAQ rx5915 ------- $210
HP iPAQ HW6945 GPS --- $200
HP 6915 -- $230

Nokia Mobile Phones
Nokia 6100--- $130
Nokia 6101--- $130
Nokia 6103--- $130
Nokia 6111--- $130
Nokia 6125--- $130
Nokia 6131--- $130
Nokia 6136--- $130
Nokia 6151--- $130
Nokia 6170--- $130
Nokia 6220--- $130
Nokia 6230--- $130
Nokia 6230i---$130
Nokia 6233--- $130
Nokia 6260--- $130
Nokia 6270--- $130
Nokia 6280--- $130
Nokia 6310i---$140
Nokia 6600--- $140
Nokia 6610--- $140
Nokia 6610i---$140
Nokia 6630--- $140
Nokia 6650--- $140
Nokia 6670--- $140
Nokia 6680--- $140
Nokia 6681--- $140
Nokia 6800--- $140
Nokia 6810--- $140
Nokia 6820--- $140
Nokia 6822--- $140
Nokia 7200--- $140
Nokia 7210--- $140
Nokia 7250--- $140
Nokia 7250i---$140
Nokia 7260--- $140
Nokia 7270--- $140
Nokia 7280--- $140
Nokia 7360--- $140
Nokia 7370--- $140
Nokia 7380--- $140
Nokia 7600--- $140
Nokia 7610--- $140
Nokia 770 --- $140
Nokia 7710--- $150
Nokia 8310--- $150
Nokia 8800--- $150
Nokia 8910--- $150
Nokia 8910--- $155
Nokia 9210--- $160
Nokia 9210i---$160
Nokia 9300 ---$160
Nokia 9300i---$160
Nokia 9500 ---$160
Nokia E50--- $165
Nokia E60--- $165
Nokia E61--- $165
Nokia E70--- $165
Nokia N70--- $165
Nokia N71--- $175
Nokia N72--- $175
Nokia N73--- $185
Nokia N80--- $190
Nokia N90--- $195
Nokia N91--- $200
Nokia N92--- $200
Nokia N93--- $205
Nokia N95 -- $210
Nokia N95 8GB -- $220
Nokia N-Gage--- $175
Nokia N-Gage QD--- $180
Nokia 8800 Sirocco --- $210

Sony Ericsson Mobile Phones
Sony Ericsson D750i--- $140
Sony Ericsson F500i--- $140
Sony Ericsson J100i--- $140
Sony Ericsson J210i--- $140
Sony Ericsson J220i--- $140
Sony Ericsson J230i--- $140
Sony Ericsson J300i--- $140
Sony Ericsson K300i--- $140
Sony Ericsson K310i--- $140
Sony Ericsson K500i---$140
Sony Ericsson K508i--- $140
Sony Ericsson K510i--- $140
Sony Ericsson K600i--- $140
Sony Ericsson K608i--- $140
Sony Ericsson K610i--- $140
Sony Ericsson K700i--- $150
Sony Ericsson K750i--- $150
Sony Ericsson K790i--- $150
Sony Ericsson K800i--- $150
Sony Ericsson M600i--- $150
Sony Ericsson P800--- $150
Sony Ericsson P900--- $160
Sony Ericsson P910i--- $157
Sony Ericsson P990i--- $180
Sony Ericsson S700i--- $150
Sony Ericsson T230--- $150
Sony Ericsson T290i---$150
Sony Ericsson T300--- $150
Sony Ericsson T310--- $150
Sony Ericsson T610--- $150
Sony Ericsson T630--- $150
Sony Ericsson T68i--- $150
Sony Ericsson V600i--- $150
Sony Ericsson V630i--- $150
Sony Ericsson V800--- $150
Sony Ericsson W300i--- $150
Sony Ericsson W550i--- $150
Sony Ericsson W700i--- $150
Sony Ericsson W800i--- $150
Sony Ericsson W810i--- $150
Sony Ericsson W850i--- $180
Sony Ericsson W900i--- $180
Sony Ericsson W950i--- $190

SIDEKICK:
SIDEKICK III----- $135
SIDEKICK II ----- $130
SIDEKICK II MISTER CARTOON--$130
JUICY COUTURE SIDEKICK II----- $130

PLASTATIONS:
GARMIN 396--$130
Playstation 1 --- $145
Playstation 2 --- $160
Playstation 3 --- $205
Sony PSP Value Pack--$95
Nintendo Wii --- $155

XBOX GAMES:
Xbox 360 Core System ----- $140
Xbox 360 Prenium pack --$160
Xbox 360 Platinum Bundle Console ----- $135

APPLE IPODS:
Apple iPod 30GB (Video) New! -- $105
Apple iPod 60GB (Video) New! -- $115
Apple iPod Nano 2GB New! ------ $85
Apple iPod Nano 4GB New! ------ $90
Apple iPod Shuffle 512 MB ----- $68
Apple iPod Shuffle 1 GB ------- $80
Apple iPod Mini 4 GB ---------- $85
Apple iPod Mini 6 GB ---------- $100
Apple iPod Photo 30 GB -------- $105
Apple iPod U2 SE 20 GB -------- $110
Apple iPod Photo 60 GB -------- $115
Apple iPod 20 GB -------------- $100
Apple ipod 80 GB -------------- $125
Apple iPod Touch (16GB) ------- $145

Apple iPhone 4GB --- $135
Apple iPhone 8GB --- $155
Dopod 838 Pro ------ $210

Tom Tom Go 910 ----- $170
Tom Tom Go 710 ----- $150
Tom Tom Go 510 ----- $130

PIONEER DJ MIXER:
Pioneer DJM-400 Mixer -- $300
Pioneer DJM-800 Mixer -- $500
Pioneer DJM-1000 Mixer -- $930
Pioneer DJM-600 Mixer -- $500
Pioneer DJM-600K Mixer --- $500
Pioneer DJM-500 Mixer ---- $350
Pioneer DJM-300 Mixer ---- $150
Pioneer DJM-3000 Mixer --- $400
Pioneer DJM-707 Mixer ---- $300
Pioneer DJM-909 Mixer ---- $500
Pioneer EFX-500 Mixer --- $250

Turntable
Pioneer CDJ-1000 MK3 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- $455
Pioneer CDJ-1000MK2 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- $420
Pioneer CDJ-200 Pro CD Player -- -- -- -- -- -- -- - $150
Pioneer DVJ-X1 DJ Video Player -- -- -- -- -- -- -- $930
Pioneer CDJ-800MK2 Professional CD/MP3 Turntable -- -- $350
Pioneer DVJ-1000 Professional DVD Turntable -- -- -- - $930
Technics SL-1210M5G Pro Turntable -- -- -- -- -- -- -- $350
Technics SL-1210MK2 Turntable -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- $150
Technics SL-1210MK5 Pro Turntable -- -- -- -- -- -- -- $250
Denon DN S3500 (CD player) -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- $330
Denon DN S5000 (CD player) -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- $420
Denon DN X1500s (Mixer) -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- - $430

SPEAKER
2 JBL PRX515 (15" 2 - Way Self-Powered Sound) -- -- -- $400
2 JBL PRX518S (18" Self Powered Subwoofer System) -- - $420

PLASMA TV:
Panasonic TH-37PHD8UK Plasma ------------ $350
Panasonic TH-42PWD8UK Plasma ------------ $600
Panasonic TH-42PHD8UK Plasma ------------ $500
Panasonic TH-42PD50U EDTV --------------- $450
Panasonic TH-42PX50U Plasma ------------ $650
Panasonic TH-50PX50U Plasma ------------- $700
panasonic TH-65PHD8UK Plasma ------------ $900
Sony FWD-42PV1 Plasma Display ----------- $500
Sony PFM-42X1 Plasma Display ------------ $550
Sony FWD-50PX2 Plasma Display ----------- $700
Philips 42PF7320A/37 Plasma TV ---------- $600
Philips 42PF9630A/37 Plasma HDTV -------- $700
Philips 50PF7320A/37 Plasma HDTV -------- $720
Philips 50PF9630A/37 Plasma HDTV -------- $550
Philips 50PF9830A/37 Plasma HDTV -------- $800
Samsung PPM50M5H Plasma Display --------- $840
Samsung HPR5052 Plasma TV---------------- $620
Samsung HPR5072 Plasma TV---------------- $720
Samsung HPP5581 Plasma TV --------------- $740
Samsung PPM63H3Q Plasma Display --------- $700
Samsung HPR6372 Plasma ------------------ $800
Pioneer pdp-424mv plasma TV ------------- $1,100
Pioneer pdp-42a3hd plasma TV ------------ $1,060
Pioneer pdp-434cmx plasma TV ------------ $1,110
Pioneer pdp-43a5hd plasma TV ------------ $1,110
Pioneer pdp-4360hd plasma TV ------------ $1,020
Pioneer pdp-504cmx plasma TV ------------ $1,110
Pioneer pdp-505cmx plasma TV ------------ $1,000
Pioneer pdp-5060hd plasma TV ------------ $1,120

LAPTOPS:
Dell Latitude D600 -------------- $400
Dell Latitude D500 -------------- $330
Dell Inspiron 6000 -------------- $450
Dell Latitude D505 -------------- $440
Dell Latitude D610 -------------- $460
Dell Latitude D510 -------------- $420
Dell Inspiron 9300 -------------- $530
Sony VAIO VGN-T1 ---------------- $480
Sony VAIO VGN-FS315 ------------- $420
Sony VAIO VGN-S3 ---------------- $450
Sony VAIO VGN-TX1 --------------- $540
Sony VAIO VGN-FS215 ------------- $400
Sony VAIO VGN-S4 ---------------- $470
Sony VAIO PCG-K35 --------------- $450
Toshiba Satellite PRO L10 ------- $420
Toshiba M200 -------------------- $400
Toshiba R100 -------------------- $450
Toshiba Qosmio E10 -------------- $450
Toshiba Satellite PRO L20 ------- $350
Toshiba M100 -------------------- $480
Toshiba M300 -------------------- $540
Toshiba Portege A200 ------------ $420
Toshiba Satellite L10 ----------- $430
Toshiba Qosmio F20 -------------- $400

Quality & Value:
We strive to offer high-quality products at competitive prices. All of our products are brand new, never used, never rebuilt. We maintain multiple-supplier sources for our products as a means of being able to continually offer the best products at the best prices. All of our products are backed by a 90-days, money-back guarantee. (Contact us for further informations about extended warranty from manufacturer).

Kindly contact me at moraknox@hotmail.com for purchasing process, We look forward in placing your Order with Us and giving you the most competent services.

We look forward to having you as a valued customer.

Your's Sincerely,
Mr. Morales Knox.
moraknox@live.co.za

Feramex Marketing LLP is a leader in online retailing of cellular phones and PDA accessories. We specialize in competitively-priced original (OEM) and high-quality, aftermarket products such as Laptops, Mobile Phones, Video Games Console, Plasma Tv, Pda Phones, MP3 & MP4 Players, Digital Cameras, Dvd Players, LCD TV, CD ROM, DVD Writer, Windows XP, Office 2003 Software, IP phone, USB Phone, Bluetooth Earphone, Bluetooth USB Dongle and other leading electronics product at discounted rates.

Quality & Value:
We strive to offer high-quality products at competitive prices. All of our products are brand new, never used, never rebuilt. We maintain multiple-supplier sources for our products as a means of being able to continually offer the best products at the best prices. All of our products are backed by a 90-days, money-back guarantee. (Contact us for further informations about extended warranty from manufacturer).

Kindly contact me at moraknox@hotmail.com for purchasing process, We look forward in placing your Order with Us and giving you the most competent services.

PRODUCT LIST:
HTC PHONES:
HTC Advantage X7500 ------- $280
HTC Shift UMPC ------------ $230
HTC P6300 Value ----------- $240
HTC Touch GSM Cellular ---- $190
HTC S630 BLACK ------------ $210
HTC TYTN II KAISER P4550 --------- $200
Cingular 8125 ------------- $155
Cingular 8525 HTC TyTn ---- $170
HTC 9100 Tmobile MDA (unlocked) -- $160
HTC Advantage Pocket PC (Athena) -- $120
HTC P3300 --- $200
HTC P3350 --- $1,100
HTC P3400 --- $205
HTC P3600 (Trinity) -- $210
HTC P6500 (HTC Sirius) -- $230
HTC S710 Smartphone -- $240
HP iPAQ rx5915 ------- $210
HP iPAQ HW6945 GPS --- $200
HP 6915 -- $230

Nokia Mobile Phones
Nokia 6100--- $130
Nokia 6101--- $130
Nokia 6103--- $130
Nokia 6111--- $130
Nokia 6125--- $130
Nokia 6131--- $130
Nokia 6136--- $130
Nokia 6151--- $130
Nokia 6170--- $130
Nokia 6220--- $130
Nokia 6230--- $130
Nokia 6230i---$130
Nokia 6233--- $130
Nokia 6260--- $130
Nokia 6270--- $130
Nokia 6280--- $130
Nokia 6310i---$140
Nokia 6600--- $140
Nokia 6610--- $140
Nokia 6610i---$140
Nokia 6630--- $140
Nokia 6650--- $140
Nokia 6670--- $140
Nokia 6680--- $140
Nokia 6681--- $140
Nokia 6800--- $140
Nokia 6810--- $140
Nokia 6820--- $140
Nokia 6822--- $140
Nokia 7200--- $140
Nokia 7210--- $140
Nokia 7250--- $140
Nokia 7250i---$140
Nokia 7260--- $140
Nokia 7270--- $140
Nokia 7280--- $140
Nokia 7360--- $140
Nokia 7370--- $140
Nokia 7380--- $140
Nokia 7600--- $140
Nokia 7610--- $140
Nokia 770 --- $140
Nokia 7710--- $150
Nokia 8310--- $150
Nokia 8800--- $150
Nokia 8910--- $150
Nokia 8910--- $155
Nokia 9210--- $160
Nokia 9210i---$160
Nokia 9300 ---$160
Nokia 9300i---$160
Nokia 9500 ---$160
Nokia E50--- $165
Nokia E60--- $165
Nokia E61--- $165
Nokia E70--- $165
Nokia N70--- $165
Nokia N71--- $175
Nokia N72--- $175
Nokia N73--- $185
Nokia N80--- $190
Nokia N90--- $195
Nokia N91--- $200
Nokia N92--- $200
Nokia N93--- $205
Nokia N95 -- $210
Nokia N95 8GB -- $220
Nokia N-Gage--- $175
Nokia N-Gage QD--- $180
Nokia 8800 Sirocco --- $210

Sony Ericsson Mobile Phones
Sony Ericsson D750i--- $140
Sony Ericsson F500i--- $140
Sony Ericsson J100i--- $140
Sony Ericsson J210i--- $140
Sony Ericsson J220i--- $140
Sony Ericsson J230i--- $140
Sony Ericsson J300i--- $140
Sony Ericsson K300i--- $140
Sony Ericsson K310i--- $140
Sony Ericsson K500i---$140
Sony Ericsson K508i--- $140
Sony Ericsson K510i--- $140
Sony Ericsson K600i--- $140
Sony Ericsson K608i--- $140
Sony Ericsson K610i--- $140
Sony Ericsson K700i--- $150
Sony Ericsson K750i--- $150
Sony Ericsson K790i--- $150
Sony Ericsson K800i--- $150
Sony Ericsson M600i--- $150
Sony Ericsson P800--- $150
Sony Ericsson P900--- $160
Sony Ericsson P910i--- $157
Sony Ericsson P990i--- $180
Sony Ericsson S700i--- $150
Sony Ericsson T230--- $150
Sony Ericsson T290i---$150
Sony Ericsson T300--- $150
Sony Ericsson T310--- $150
Sony Ericsson T610--- $150
Sony Ericsson T630--- $150
Sony Ericsson T68i--- $150
Sony Ericsson V600i--- $150
Sony Ericsson V630i--- $150
Sony Ericsson V800--- $150
Sony Ericsson W300i--- $150
Sony Ericsson W550i--- $150
Sony Ericsson W700i--- $150
Sony Ericsson W800i--- $150
Sony Ericsson W810i--- $150
Sony Ericsson W850i--- $180
Sony Ericsson W900i--- $180
Sony Ericsson W950i--- $190

SIDEKICK:
SIDEKICK III----- $135
SIDEKICK II ----- $130
SIDEKICK II MISTER CARTOON--$130
JUICY COUTURE SIDEKICK II----- $130

PLASTATIONS:
GARMIN 396--$130
Playstation 1 --- $145
Playstation 2 --- $160
Playstation 3 --- $205
Sony PSP Value Pack--$95
Nintendo Wii --- $155

XBOX GAMES:
Xbox 360 Core System ----- $140
Xbox 360 Prenium pack --$160
Xbox 360 Platinum Bundle Console ----- $135

APPLE IPODS:
Apple iPod 30GB (Video) New! -- $105
Apple iPod 60GB (Video) New! -- $115
Apple iPod Nano 2GB New! ------ $85
Apple iPod Nano 4GB New! ------ $90
Apple iPod Shuffle 512 MB ----- $68
Apple iPod Shuffle 1 GB ------- $80
Apple iPod Mini 4 GB ---------- $85
Apple iPod Mini 6 GB ---------- $100
Apple iPod Photo 30 GB -------- $105
Apple iPod U2 SE 20 GB -------- $110
Apple iPod Photo 60 GB -------- $115
Apple iPod 20 GB -------------- $100
Apple ipod 80 GB -------------- $125
Apple iPod Touch (16GB) ------- $145

Apple iPhone 4GB --- $135
Apple iPhone 8GB --- $155
Dopod 838 Pro ------ $210

Tom Tom Go 910 ----- $170
Tom Tom Go 710 ----- $150
Tom Tom Go 510 ----- $130

PIONEER DJ MIXER:
Pioneer DJM-400 Mixer -- $300
Pioneer DJM-800 Mixer -- $500
Pioneer DJM-1000 Mixer -- $930
Pioneer DJM-600 Mixer -- $500
Pioneer DJM-600K Mixer --- $500
Pioneer DJM-500 Mixer ---- $350
Pioneer DJM-300 Mixer ---- $150
Pioneer DJM-3000 Mixer --- $400
Pioneer DJM-707 Mixer ---- $300
Pioneer DJM-909 Mixer ---- $500
Pioneer EFX-500 Mixer --- $250

Turntable
Pioneer CDJ-1000 MK3 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- $455
Pioneer CDJ-1000MK2 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- $420
Pioneer CDJ-200 Pro CD Player -- -- -- -- -- -- -- - $150
Pioneer DVJ-X1 DJ Video Player -- -- -- -- -- -- -- $930
Pioneer CDJ-800MK2 Professional CD/MP3 Turntable -- -- $350
Pioneer DVJ-1000 Professional DVD Turntable -- -- -- - $930
Technics SL-1210M5G Pro Turntable -- -- -- -- -- -- -- $350
Technics SL-1210MK2 Turntable -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- $150
Technics SL-1210MK5 Pro Turntable -- -- -- -- -- -- -- $250
Denon DN S3500 (CD player) -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- $330
Denon DN S5000 (CD player) -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- $420
Denon DN X1500s (Mixer) -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- - $430

SPEAKER
2 JBL PRX515 (15" 2 - Way Self-Powered Sound) -- -- -- $400
2 JBL PRX518S (18" Self Powered Subwoofer System) -- - $420

PLASMA TV:
Panasonic TH-37PHD8UK Plasma ------------ $350
Panasonic TH-42PWD8UK Plasma ------------ $600
Panasonic TH-42PHD8UK Plasma ------------ $500
Panasonic TH-42PD50U EDTV --------------- $450
Panasonic TH-42PX50U Plasma ------------ $650
Panasonic TH-50PX50U Plasma ------------- $700
panasonic TH-65PHD8UK Plasma ------------ $900
Sony FWD-42PV1 Plasma Display ----------- $500
Sony PFM-42X1 Plasma Display ------------ $550
Sony FWD-50PX2 Plasma Display ----------- $700
Philips 42PF7320A/37 Plasma TV ---------- $600
Philips 42PF9630A/37 Plasma HDTV -------- $700
Philips 50PF7320A/37 Plasma HDTV -------- $720
Philips 50PF9630A/37 Plasma HDTV -------- $550
Philips 50PF9830A/37 Plasma HDTV -------- $800
Samsung PPM50M5H Plasma Display --------- $840
Samsung HPR5052 Plasma TV---------------- $620
Samsung HPR5072 Plasma TV---------------- $720
Samsung HPP5581 Plasma TV --------------- $740
Samsung PPM63H3Q Plasma Display --------- $700
Samsung HPR6372 Plasma ------------------ $800
Pioneer pdp-424mv plasma TV ------------- $1,100
Pioneer pdp-42a3hd plasma TV ------------ $1,060
Pioneer pdp-434cmx plasma TV ------------ $1,110
Pioneer pdp-43a5hd plasma TV ------------ $1,110
Pioneer pdp-4360hd plasma TV ------------ $1,020
Pioneer pdp-504cmx plasma TV ------------ $1,110
Pioneer pdp-505cmx plasma TV ------------ $1,000
Pioneer pdp-5060hd plasma TV ------------ $1,120

LAPTOPS:
Dell Latitude D600 -------------- $400
Dell Latitude D500 -------------- $330
Dell Inspiron 6000 -------------- $450
Dell Latitude D505 -------------- $440
Dell Latitude D610 -------------- $460
Dell Latitude D510 -------------- $420
Dell Inspiron 9300 -------------- $530
Sony VAIO VGN-T1 ---------------- $480
Sony VAIO VGN-FS315 ------------- $420
Sony VAIO VGN-S3 ---------------- $450
Sony VAIO VGN-TX1 --------------- $540
Sony VAIO VGN-FS215 ------------- $400
Sony VAIO VGN-S4 ---------------- $470
Sony VAIO PCG-K35 --------------- $450
Toshiba Satellite PRO L10 ------- $420
Toshiba M200 -------------------- $400
Toshiba R100 -------------------- $450
Toshiba Qosmio E10 -------------- $450
Toshiba Satellite PRO L20 ------- $350
Toshiba M100 -------------------- $480
Toshiba M300 -------------------- $540
Toshiba Portege A200 ------------ $420
Toshiba Satellite L10 ----------- $430
Toshiba Qosmio F20 -------------- $400

Quality & Value:
We strive to offer high-quality products at competitive prices. All of our products are brand new, never used, never rebuilt. We maintain multiple-supplier sources for our products as a means of being able to continually offer the best products at the best prices. All of our products are backed by a 90-days, money-back guarantee. (Contact us for further informations about extended warranty from manufacturer).

Kindly contact me at moraknox@hotmail.com for purchasing process, We look forward in placing your Order with Us and giving you the most competent services.

We look forward to having you as a valued customer.

Your's Sincerely,
Mr. Morales Knox.
moraknox@live.co.za

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THIS IS A SCAMM FOR MOBILE PHONES

I WAS SCAMED FROM HIM!!

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UMAGE LIMITED,Is Great UK Mobile Phones, Laptop seller.
Umage Limited dominates Joe 90 Computer Co., Ltd.
The company specializes in the Mobile Phone, laptop, Ipod
Plama Tv, manufacture and wholesale as well as relevant
service of mobile phone, computer and some otherElectronics.
umagelimited@hotmail.com
+447031899419
+447045772874

PHONES
For Sale Brand New Nokia N95 at just $280usd
FOR SELL MOTOROLA RAZOR V3 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST
$160usd,
FOR SELL MOTOROLA RAZOR V3x MOBILE PHONE AT JUST
$140usd
FOR SELLFOR SELL MOTOROLA RAZOR V3 MOBILE PHONE AT
JUST $160usd,
FOR SELL MOTOROLA RAZOR V3x MOBILE PHONE AT JUST
$140usd
FOR SELL MOTOROLA RAZOR V3i MOBILE PHONE AT JUST
$150usd,
FOR SELL NEXTEL i930 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $130usd,
FOR SELL NEXTEL i860 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $110usd,
FOR SELL SONY ERICSSON P910i MOBILE PHONE AT JUST
$195usd,
FOR SELL SONY ERICSSON W800i MOBILE PHONE AT JUST
$175usd
FOR SELL MOTOROLA MPX 220 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST
$134usd,
FOR SELL MOTOROLA MPX 300 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST
$189usd,
FOR SELL SONY ERICSSON S700i MOBILE PHONE AT JUST
$135usd
FOR SELL NOKIA 1600 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $80usd
FOR SELL NOKIA 9500 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $220usd,
FOR SELL XBOX 360 VIDIO GAME AT JUST $200usd
FOR SELL NOKIA 9300 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $175usd,
FOR SELL SAMSUNG D500 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $150usd,
FOR SELL SAMSUNG D600 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $180usd
FOR SELL SIDEKICK II MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $205usd
FOR SELL NOKIA N95 8GB MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $300usd
FOR SELL NOKIA N70 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $175usd
FOR SELL NOKIA N71 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $180usd
FOR SELL NOKIA N72 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $200usd
FOR SELL NOKIA N73 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $220usd
FOR SELL NOKIA N77 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $300usd
FOR SELL NOKIA N76 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $280usd
FOR SELL NOKIA N90 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $130usd
FOR SELL NOKIA N91 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $150Usd
FOR SELL NOKIA N92 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $160usd
FOR SELL NOKIA N93 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $250usd
FOR SELL NOKIA N93i MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $280usd
FOR SELL NOKIA N95 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $280usd
FOR SELL NOKIA E90 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $350usd
FOR SELL NOKIA 8800 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $120usd
FOR SELL NOKIA 8800 SIROCCO MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $180usd
FOR SELL NOKIA N80 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $150usd

HTC PHONES
HTC TyTN II $330
HTC Cavalier $280
HTC P4550 Kaiser $330
HTC P6300 $250
HTC S720 Libra $230
HTC Touch $230
HTC Wing $200
HTC P4000 Titan $210
HTC Shift $220
HTC Advantage X7500 $180
HTC S710 $160
HTC P3400 $160
HTC P4350 $160
HTC FOREseer $190
HTC X7500 Athena $210
HTC P3350 $150

SAMSUNG PHONES
Samsung A500...........$140usd
Samsung D307...........$180usd
Samsung D410...........$110usd
Samsung D415...........$130usd
Samsung D500...........$140usd
Samsung D600...........$160usd
Samsung D720...........$170usd
Samsung E310...........$130usd
Samsung E330...........$130usd
Samsung E600...........$120usd
Samsung E630...........$120usd
Samsung E700...........$120usd
Samsung i830...........$180usd
samsung p310...........$210usd
samsung u700..........$ 190usd
samsung e890...........$ 140usd

SONY ERICSSON PHONES

Sony Ericsson P1i.................$324
Sony Ericsson P990i ...........$270
Sony Ericsson K810i............$250
Sony Ericsson W810i...........$140
Sony Ericsson W880i..........$220
Sony Ericsson W200i..........$105
Sony Ericsson K610i............$150
Sony ericsson s500i............$145usd
Sony ericsson w910i............$310usd
Sony ericsson k850i............$280usd

02 Phones
o2 xDA Exec ........ $280
02 XDA Atom ........ $260
02 XDA NEO ........ $265
02 XDA mini S ....... $270
02 XDA II mini ...... $200
02 XDA IIi ......... $180
02 XDA IIs ......... $185
O2 X2i ......... $120
02 X4 ......... $130
02 X3 ......... $120
02 x7 ......... $140

Treo 710...............$240usd
Treo 700...............$210usd
Treo 600...............$160usd
Treo 650...............$170usd

FOR SELL SIDEKICK II AT JUST $85usd
FOR SELL JUICY COUTURE SIDEKICK II AT JUST $100
FOR SELL SIDEKICK III AT JUST $100usd
FOR SELL IPOD NANA AT JUST $40usd
FOR SELL BRAND NEW NINTENDO WII GAME AT JUST $150

Apple 20 GB iPod Nano……$60.00USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Pink M9435LL/A ……$70.00USD
Apple 40 GB iPod photo……$80.00USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Silver M9160LL/A ….$70.00USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Photo M9830LL/A……$100.00USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Photo M9829LL/A…….$95.00USD
Apple 512 MB iPod Shuffle MP3 Player……$50.00USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Blue M9436LL/A…….$70.00USD
Apple 2 GB iPod Nano…..$90.00USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Vidoe….$150.00USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Vidoe……$110.00USD
APPLE MP4 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF ....$150USD

QTEK PDA PRODUCT
Qtek 9000 .................................$200
Qtek 9100 .................................$180
Qtek 8100..................................$160
Qtek 2020i.................................$120
Qtek 1010..................................$100
Qtek 8080..................................$165
Qtek 8310..................................$160
Qtek 9090..................................$170

BLACK BERRY......
blackberry 7130e $220usd
blackberry 7100g $210usd
blackberry 7100i $200usd
blackberry 8700c $200usd
blackberry 8700r $200usd
blackberry 7130g $210usd
blackberry 7100t $200usd
blackberry 7230 $210usd
blackberry 7290 $210usd
blackberry 8700f $230usd

TREO FOR SALE
Treo 700.....$200usd
Treo 600.....$150usd
Treo 650.....$160usd
Treo 750v(No athena) for .....$240usd
Treo 680 for .....$250usd
Treo 700wx for .....$170usd
Treo 700w for .....$180usd

IMATE JASJAR PRODUCT
I-MATE Smartflip ........ $130
I-MATE JAMin ............ $200
I-MATE JASJAR ........... $230
I-MATE K-JAM ............ $130
I-MATE SP5 .............. $140
I-MATE SP5m ............. $120
I-MATE SP4m .............. $125
I-MATE JAM Black ......... $120
I-MATE JAM ............... $115
I-MATE PDA2 .............. $150
I-MATE PDA2k ............. $140
I-MATE SP3i .............. $110
I-MATE SP3 ............... $110
I-MATE Pocket PC ......... $120
I-MATE Smartphone2 ....... $100
I-MATE Smartphone ........ $100
i-mate JASJAM for $300usd
i-mate JAQ4 for $320usd
i-mate JAQ3 for $260usd
i-mate PDAL for $240usd
i-mate Ultimate 9150 for $400usd
i-mate Ultimate 8150 for $360usd
i-mate Ultimate 7150 for $340usd
i-mate Ultimate 6150 for $310usd
i-mate Ultimate 5150 for $280usd

LAPTOPS:
VAIO VGN-FS285M= 400 $
SONY VAIO VGN-A115M=350$
SONY VAIO VGN-A115S=300 $
SONY VAIO VGN-A115Z=400 $
DELL LAPTOP LATITUDE D810 ESSENTIAL (L12811) 540$
DELL LAPTOP LATITUDE D610 ESSENTIAL (L12611)350$
DELL LAPTOP LATITUDE 110L ADVANCED (L12112) 300$

FOR MORE DETAILS CONTACT US WITH YOUR FULL NAME,
FULL SHIPPING ADDRESS AND YOUR CONTACT PHONE
NUMBER TO umagelimited@hotmail.com

Regards
Sales Department
+447031899419
+447045772874
Umage Limited

THE GAMING CHANNEL LIMITED
NORTHUMBERLAND HOUSE
155-157 GREAT PORTLAND STREET
LONDON, W1W 6QP
UNITED-KINGDOM
Registered No.04274614
Incorporation Date: 21-08-2001

Fax:+448704717791
Tel:+447045737583 (Mason Hilton)
+447024036078

We are THE GAMING CHANNEL LIMITED: suppliers to the world;specializing

in the wholesale trade of

GSM,LAPTOPS,NAVIGATORS,PLASMA, DIGITAR CAMERA,CAMCORDER and CDMA

cellular phones. We import, export

and trade major brands such as Motorola, Nokia, Samsung, Sony Ericsson,

LG just to name a few.

(THE GAMING CHANNEL LIMITED) ships worldwide. What do you require

today? Give us the opportunity to earn your

business.

Do place your Order with What you want to buy, How many Units you want

to buy, Your Full Name, Phone Number and

your Shipping Address that you want us to ship to.

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MOTORLA V6................... $150
MOTOROLA RAZOR V3 .........$100
Motorola w22 .........$110
Motorola A1200 ..............$150
Motorola A728.................$120
Motorola v3x..................$125
Motorola E895................ $130
Motorola L6 ..........$130
Motorola E680 ..............$135
Motorla A1010................$140
Motorola SLVR l7..............$140
Motorola A600 ..........$146
Motorola A630 ..........$148
Motorola A760 ..........$150
Motorola A780 ..........$154
Motorola A840 ..........$162
Motorola E1 ............$134
Motorola MPX ...........$125
Motorola MPX100 ........$120
Motorola MPX300 .,......$115
NOKIA 9500....................$200
Nokia 7610....................$120
Nokia 6680....................$130
NOKIA 9300....................$140
Nokia N70.....................$160
Nokia N71 ....................$162
Nokia N72 ....................$163
Nokia N73.....................$165
Nokia N75 ....................$170
Nokia N76 ....................$160
Nokia N77 ....................$170
Nokia N80.....................$170
Nokia N90.....................$180
Nokia N91.....................$190
Nokia N92.....................$190
Nokia N93.....................$200
Nokia N93i ...................$210
Nokia N95 ....................$300
Nokia 5300 ...................$155
Nokia 5200 ...................$150
Nokia 6288 ...................$165
Nokia 6085 ...................$158
Nokia 8800 Sirocco ...........$200
Nokia 2610 ...................$135
NOKIA 2310 ...................$136
Nokia 1112 ...................$120
Nokia 6136 ...................$140
Nokia 6133 ...................$138
Nokia 6131 ...................$139
Nokia 6070 ...................$140
Nokia 6125 ...................$139
Nokia 6103 ...................$140
Nokia 6233 ...................$142
Nokia 6234 ...................$143
Nokia 6284 ...................$141
Nokia 9300i ..................$190
Nokia 6131 ...................$160
Nokia 6110 Navigator .........$180
Nokia 6290 ...................$170
Nokia 6086 ...................$165
nOKIA 6300 ...................$160
Nokia 2626 ...................$150
NOKIA 7380....................$150
Nokia 7370 ...................$160
Nokia 7370....................$140
Nokia E61.....................$135
Nokia E63 ....................$140
Nokia 3250 ...................$140
Nokia 6708 ...................$142
Nokia 6280 ...................$140
Nokia 6270 ...................$139
Nokia 6111 ...................$137
Nokia 6060 ...................$140
Nokia E90 ....................$160
Nokia E65i....................$155
Nokia E61i ...................$140
Nokia 6234....................$125
Nokia 7710....................$145
Nokia 7360 ...................$143
Apple iphone .................$320
Qtek 9000 ....................$200
Qtek 9100 ....................$180
Qtek 8100.....................$160
Qtek 2020i....................$120
Qtek 1010.....................$100
Qtek 8080.....................$165
Qtek 8310.....................$160
Qtek 9090.....................$170
TOM TOM GO
TOM TOM GO 500............... $130
TOM TOM GO 510............... $195
TOM TOM GO 700............... $200
TOM TOM GO 910............... $250
TOM TOM GO 300............... $180
Nitendo wii ................. $150
Dopod 838 pro ................$300
motorola v3c .................$150
Sony digital camera dsc-w100 .$130
Playstation 3 ................$250
Garmin StreetPilot C340.......$220

IMATE JASJAR PRODUCT
I-MATE Smartflip ............ $130
I-MATE JAMin ................ $200
I-MATE JASJAR ............... $230
I-MATE K-JAM ................ $130
I-MATE SP5 .............. ....$140
I-MATE SP5m ............. ....$120
I-MATE SP4m ................. $125
I-MATE JAM Black ............ $120
I-MATE JAM .................. $115
I-MATE PDA2 ................. $150
I-MATE PDA2k ................ $140
I-MATE SP3i ................. $110
I-MATE SP3 .................. $110
I-MATE Pocket PC ......... ...$120
I-MATE Smartphone2 .......... $100
I-MATE Smartphone ........... $100
JUICY COUTURE SIDEKICK
Juicy couture sidekickii......$130
T-Mobile mister cartoon ...$150
T-Mobile MDA ........$200
NOW RELEASED SIDEKICk 3.......$200
BLACKBERRY PHONES
8707V ....................... $220
8700C ....................... $200
7100X ....................... $230
7100V ........................$220
7730 ........................ $230
PALM PHONES
Treo 650 .................... $200
Treo 600 .................... $180
Treo 270 .................... $170
Treo 180 .................... $160
NEXTEL i930 ................. $130
NEXTEL i860...................$150
Nextel i870...................$120
SONY ERICSSION PRODUCT
Sony Ericsson J210i...........$120
Sony Ericsson J300i...........$122
Sony Ericsson K300i...........$123
Sony Ericsson K508i...........$132
Sony Ericsson K600i...........$128
Sony Ericsson K608i...........$127
Sony Ericsson S600i...........$134
Sony! Ericsson V600i..........$132
Sony Ericsson V800i...........$137
Sony Ericsson W800i...........$140
sony Ericsson w600i...........$138
sony Ericsson p910i...........$140
Sony Ericsson P900............$160
Sony Ericsson P980i...........$180
Sony Ericsson P990i...........$180
APPLE IPOD VIDEO
20GB iPod 20GB iPod ..........45USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Pink M9435LL/A ..40USD
Apple 40 GB iPod photo.................40USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Silver M9160LL/A .40USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Photo M9830LL/A.......60USD
Apple 60 GB iPod photo ...............55USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Photo M9829LL/A.......50USD
Apple 512 MB iPod Shuffle MP3 Player...40USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Blue M9436LL/A....45USD
Apple 2 GB iPod Nano..................50USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Nano...................60USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Vidoe................110USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Vidoe................150USD
PDA O2/CDMA PHONES
XDA Trion ............................$200
xda Neo ..............................$200
xda Atom..............................$230
xda Orion ..........................$230
xda Exec..............................$240
xda Mini 5............................$235
xda IIi...............................$180
xda II ...............................$200
Cingular 8125.........................$250
PLASMA TVS
Panasonic TH-37PHD8UK Plasma $350
Panasonic TH-42PWD8UK Plasma $600
Panasonic TH-42PHD8UK Plasma $500
Panasonic TH-42PD50U EDTV $ 450
Panasonic TH-42PX50U Plasma $650
Panasonic TH-50PX50U Plasma $700
panasonic TH-65PHD8UK Plasma $900
Sony FWD-42PV1 Plasma Display $500
Sony PFM-42X1 Plasma Display $550
Sony FWD-50PX2 Plasma Display $700
Philips 42PF7320A/37 Plasma TV $600
Philips 42PF9630A/37 Plasma HDTV $700
Philips 50PF7320A/37 Plasma HDTV $720
Philips 50PF9630A/37 Plasma HDTV $550
Philips 50PF9830A/37 Plasma HDTV $800
Samsung HPP3761 Plasma TV $600
Samsung PPM42M5S Plasma Display $500
Samsung SPP4251 Plasma TV $650
Samsung PPM42M5H Plasma Display $530
Samsung HPR4252 Plasma $650
Samsung HPR4262 Plasma TV $520
Samsung HPR4272 Plasma $530
Samsung PPM50M5H Plasma Display $840
Samsung HPR5052 Plasma $620
Samsung HPR5072 Plasma $720
Samsung HPP5581 Plasma TV $740
Samsung PPM63H3Q Plasma Display $700
Samsung HPR6372 Plasma $800
Hitachi CMP4211u Plasma $850
Hitachi CMP4212u Plasma $550
Hitachi 42HDF52 Plasma HDTV $400
Hitachi 42HDT52 Plasma TV $440
Hitachi 55HDS52 Plasma HDTV $480
Hitachi 55HDT52 Plasma TV $650
Hitachi CMP-55HDM71 Plasma $420
AOC Envision A42W64 Plasma $400
Maxent MX-42VM7 Plasma EDTV $570
Maxent MX-50X2 Plasma $500
NEC 42VP5 Plasma TV......... $600
NEC 42VM5HA Plasma TV....... $570
NEC 42VR5HA Plasma - Silver. $500
NEC PX-42XM3A Plasma Display $500
NEC PX-42XM4A Plasma Display $450
NEC PX-42XR4A Plasma Display $550
NEC PX-50XM5A Plasma Display $570
NEC PX-50XR5A Plasma Display $500
NEC PX-61XM3A Plasma Display $600
NEC PX-61XM4A Plasma Display $750
NEC PX-61XR4A Plasma Display $700
NEC PX-84VP5A Plasma Display $690
NEC PX-84VM5A Plasma Display $650
Pioneer pdp-424mv plasma TV -$1,800
Pioneer pdp-42a3hd plasma TV -$1,720
Pioneer pdp-434cmx plasma tv-$1,880
Pioneer pdp-43a5hd plasma tv-$1,800
Pioneer pdp-4360hd plasma TV -$1,700
Pioneer pdp-504cmx plasma tv-$1,800
Pioneer pdp-505cmx plasma TV -$1,670
Pioneer pdp-5060hd plasma tv-$1,890
(Sony VAIO)
Sony VAIO A170 Laptop Computer-----$1300
Sony VAIO GRT250 Laptop Computer----$1000
Sony VAIO V505DC1 Laptop Computer----$1100
Sony VAIO GRT270 Laptop Computer------$1200
Sony VAIO GRT100 Laptop Computer------$1300
Sony VAIO PCG-GRX7001 Laptop Computer---$1100
Sony VAIO PCG-R505ESK SuperSlim Pro Notebook---$1200
Sony VAIO A130P LaptopComputer -------$1100
Sony VAIO VGN-B100B08 Laptop Computer Notebook---$1000
Sony PCG-K33 VAIO K33 - Mobile Pentium 4----$850
Sony Vaio PCG-V505EX Notebook PC (1.50-GHz

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