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GOING GOING GONE
Big month of September, not only astrologically but politically as well, the Eclipse, Saturn, Neptune and Mars all give us a big song and dance this last month and they haven’t hit their finale. In fact this celestial show just brought their star power on stage – Jupiter. The complexity of the cosmic map today is the equivalent to “eating an elephant,” you must do it one bite at a time, for there are patterns within patterns, some of the patterns haven’t been on the heavenly stage for hundreds of years. Because of that what this generation is experiencing is truly unique for us, not for the Universe because these energies have been seen before as various themes throughout the generations have been recurring on a regular basis. That said, let’s take a look at what all this means for us today, beginning with May 2000 and the “Grand Conjunction” or the “Great Chronometer,” this celestial phenomena is called several names but it is the once every 20 years Jupiter/Saturn conjunction. This last conjunction happened in Taurus a perfect metaphor for our present administration and their cry of “stay the course,” with no thought that the “course” is taking us over a cliff of disaster. A typical “negative” among many positives, of Taurus is hanging on when it’s not in their best interest to continue hanging on. Jupiter and Saturn are now in their first square, from Scorpio to Leo, to their 2000 conjunction and the positives of Taurus are beginning to knock on the world’s door, mainly taking care of mother earth and her inhabitants. It’s interesting that Al Gore and Bill Clinton are holding the door knocker right now. Clinton has his Moon in Taurus and Gore has Mercury and Venus progressed to Taurus. It was, however, Clinton’s public Moon, kicked by a bracing cold slap from Fox’s Chris Wallace and a square from Saturn that could teach us all a lesson. Bill Clinton’s Mars/Neptune/Venus conjunction, in Libra dream, is to bring the world together as one in order to accomplish peaceful, helpful co-existence for a “better, more prosperous world for all.” He thought the world was ready for that; the world isn’t, not yet, but we will move in that direction. Bill Clinton is a Leo (big ego) and not one of his natal planets is retrograde, so he charges ahead. The work he has done and the money he has raised is incredible, but his belief that we are all connected, while correct, hasn’t quite caught hold with the masses. Saturn in square to his Moon this weekend, the weekend he raised over 7 billion dollars for the greater good of all (a crowning achievement) gave him a punch to his ego and he will have the opportunity to grasp the concept that “the world” needs an education on inner-connectedness before we can go on from “stay the course.” He could really do a great deal of good if he would outline for the public the difference between those who want to move ahead and those who want to stay stuck in today’s swamp. If we as a human race responds most positively to fear, let’s scare folks with the message of what will happen if we don’t move forward. Al Gore’s Taurus comes from progressed planets, not natal planets, so he will better be able to work underground to change perceptions. I read an article that stated “An Inconvenient Truth” has come to Washington and the Congress of no faith, have been taking trips to the Antarctic to see the melting for themselves and they are getting “nervous,” about global warming. Mother Earth (possibly a Taurus) is going to force them into paying attention to her and their selfish greed that has ignored her decade’s long warnings. Remember those “tree-hugging liberal, Mother Earth” ads 25 or 30 years ago, the ones the oil companies and conservatives hated, the ones that showed Mother Earth pissed. They need to drag out those ads and start a re-education of the public. The Jupiter/Saturn square will happily remind us of the desperate earth conditions we are in with our oil, endless wars, raping the earth, tearing up the land, this is an opportunity. The next square to the 2000 Grand Conjunction of Jupiter/Saturn comes in 2014 with Jupiter in Leo and Saturn in Scorpio and we need to have policies to heal the earth by then. Now is the earth’s tipping point. We think of our leaders as serving us, they do not; they serve themselves and we are their participatory audience, if we are not getting our money’s worth or we don’t like the play we need to do something about that. We need to make sure at the very least, that we can get out of the theater by our votes. At the November elections 5 planets are lined up in Scorpio, Sun, Mercury and Venus all square Neptune and Mercury is retrograde. We need to yell, scream, push and demand that our votes are counted and verified. We need to demand an honest election now and in 2008 and most of all we need to vote. There is a difference between the conservatives and liberals of today, and if there isn’t we needed to have them in office so we can see who is corrupt and needs to go and if there should be a viable third party for 2008. This is not the time for people to “take their marbles and go home.” Now to the personal impact of Saturn. All fixed signs are under the restrictive glare of Saturn. Saturn just loves to show us and those around us our defects, where we need to examine our own limitations and ego drives. Bill Clinton was one example of that and the need to show and tell the differences between people who want to work together and people who don’t, no matter their party affiliations. George Allen (T-Saturn conjunct Pluto and oppose Venus) His handling of “makaka” and the revelation of his Jewish ancestry (“I eat ham sandwiches”) has been bazaar. He has placed himself between a rock and a hard place. People who are deeply offended by his behavior won’t vote for him and people who even care about ancestry won’t vote for him. I would be stunned if he won this election and would have some real cynical doubts about the honesty of the elections in Virginia, but if he does win, he has killed his chance of being a viable Presidential Candidate in 2008. He absolutely fits my analogy of Saturn aspecting your planets. My analogy of Saturn is “you train for a marathon but break your leg a month before, no matter how good your aspects are on the day of the marathon, you won’t be running.” George shows signs of a serious break here. On the other hand Jim Webb (a newly minted Democrat) is more proud of his GOP roots than he is of being a Democrat so that race could end up being a wash for the GOP. Lieberman fell down right before the Primaries in CT when Saturn opposed his Mercury and he started baiting his base. The next week or two he is coming up on another fall (as is George Bush) as Saturn squares Joe’s Saturn and Mars conjunction, this is when he could lose CT for good. Hillary Clinton and Condi Rice won’t escape Saturn’s rays and while Hillary will probably win in NY (no real opposition) her potential Presidential bid will be greatly reduced. Condi was sidelined in the Middle East when Saturn squared her Saturn and opposed her Mars. She has another square to her Sun and Venus and on the brink of looking like a “flop” once again. Katherine Harris seems to have pulled a last minute “hail Mary pass” with both Bush Brothers campaigning for her. Hmmm. Well Katherine can still pull it out, believe it or not. Let’s hope she is too far down to climb back that far up. There is potential good news and bad news for the Democrats this election and several elections to come. The Democrats point to the Democratic Reorganization Chart (the Jackson Chart of 1832) as representing present day Democrats. That chart sports a Moon/Uranus conjunction at 17/18 Aquarius and squares their Chiron indicating tendency to “wound” themselves from time to time and they have certainly been doing that very thing since 1990 and Pluto from Scorpio moved into a square aspect, and now Neptune is on that point with Saturn having opposed. No wonder the people (Moon) and the Democratic politicians cannot get their message out and when they do, it’s confused, with the Saturn opposition just passed they might be awakening to their problems (we can hope) That’s the bad news for them in this election, and the potential that the election will once again be stolen (Sun, Mercury, Venus squaring 17 degree Aquarius Neptune on election day, Neptune is the thief at his lowest level and that’s where politics resides today) The good news for the Democratic Party is their progressed Mars went retrograde in 1977, on the US South Node, the very year that Democrats started losing traction in American Politics. This year the US Mars went retrograde and for the first time since 1977 the US public could once again begin identifying with the kinder, gentler, more liberal wing of politics and not the harsh warring end of the political spectrum. Unfortunately the DLC has tried to move the party so far to the center as to confuse the message of the party. They don’t know what their message is and we sure don’t either. We are attaching the Democratic messages of our past to the Dems agenda, cause we don’t know their agenda for sure, not anymore. We only know that we don’t like or trust the agenda of the present administration. Their progressed Sun is in Scorpio and trine their progressed Jupiter. Transiting Jupiter gives them a boost in October and that will certainly be helpful. The Jackson Chart has the South Node at 5 degrees Aquarius, and my question is will transiting Chiron very close to that 5 degrees Aquarius cause the Democrats to once again shoot themselves in the foot and would it be deliberate or accidental? Some Democrats believe they will have a better chance of winning 08 if they lose in 06 (Neptune on their Moon/Uranus square their Chiron) This last month gave us a heavy dose of Virgo lessons. We had two New Moons in Virgo, two Eclipses’ and one full moon. A huge beam of light is shinning on what we didn’t know before and what we haven’t seen. Plant your seeds of what you want your life to look like in 2008, or what you want the world to look like by 2012. This is going to be a year (2006/2007) of change and courage. There isn’t a better energy than Virgo for turning lemons into lemonade. The 29 degree Eclipse in Virgo says it’s the end of something for someone, but for whom and for what ideology? We will know before the next six months are up as the March 19, 2007 eclipse at 28 Pisces places a bookend on this period of time whose roots began in 1969 at Nixon’s first Inauguration. There are two dreams in the cosmic hopper right now coming from the people, and both were demonstrated this last weekend on the world stage. The posturing and hubris and “men” marking their territories issuing forth from the UN, by several leaders is a dream of world domination; and the other demonstrated at the Clinton Global Initiatives dreams of world empowerment. To be sure, the dream of “world domination” has much to play out before their folly is over. We have more restrictions coming and more greed, financial disasters (as they are draining America’s coffers) earth changes (Mother Nature is ticked off and “it’s not nice to fool Mother Nature”) more potential enslavement but I’m going to say that the “world empowerment” is new on the scene while domination is an old concept, more recently resurrected with Nixon, or perhaps never released from the Nazi period; but my prediction is ultimately “world empowerment” will be the winner as these two eclipses spell out that the past is going, going until it’s finally gone. And finally to the question of the day “Is Bin Laden dead or alive.” He might be dead. There are several non definitive charts out there for Bin Laden and one of them is a Pisces chart. The eclipses this month could certainly have done him in and the Saudi’s and French decided it would be fun to take Karl Rove’s October thunder away from him. Or George Bush is tired of hearing about the fact that he’s still at large and he made another deal to protect Bin Laden and say he is dead (I said on 9/11/2001 that the Bush administration would never bring Bin Laden to justice, the families are too close) so he doesn’t have to listen to people attacking him as a failure in that area. Anyway this administration has developed other bogyman in the Middle East and they don’t need Bin Laden anymore. At any rate, actual dead or alive is of no consequence to the US, he was figuratively and symbolically dead from the beginning. Americans obviously don’t need the literal facts anyway, at least 25 percent of us will believe that GWB went into Tora Bora himself and tore Bin Laden’s heart out with his bear hands. Life is about to get interesting, as Morgana would say “get the popcorn out.” Take nothing that is said or done at face value, look deeply below the surface of everything. A Jupiter/Neptune square (especially with Jupiter in Scorpio) you can see what’s happening particularly with people who are unaware (such as our politicians) As for me, thank heavens Jupiter is transiting Scorpio and it’s all become ever so funny watching the idiocy of these folks run out and if we have to follow this boat down the rapids with them, let's at least do it laughin. But then again, I believe in the dream of world empowerment for the greater good of all. We have our own brand of Kool-Aid that we’re drinking and that brand is faith, hope and charity.
Sally Cheyne McDonald on Sep 25 | Link
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Thank you so much Sally. I hope you are doing better and that you are now well. Posted by: Pat C on September 25, 2006 02:44 AMI woke up all glum and depressed, only to learn about the leak of the national intelligence report which tells the truth, the Clinton interview where he told the truth emphatically, and the bizarre OBL dead/not dead (shades of King Faud! Ooops, sorry for the pun.) And now this wonderful gift from Cap'n Sally! Thank you so much. Much to ponder and, as usual, phrased plainly and with honesty and hope. Many, many thanks. Posted by: shylurker on September 25, 2006 02:58 AMThanks Pat, you are almost always the first one up with your comments and it's appreciated very much. To your question, I am feeling much better but am still very tired particularly after a day's work and still have a cough but it's getting better day by day. Thanks Shy, it just makes everyone feel good when you give them your pat on the back. "Phrased plainly" Oh dear, I try to be different and in public speaking I am very given to analogy, but I am such a bottom line person and I fear it comes through. Sometimes I wish I was different but I do try to keep the sarcasm I am given to and tongue in cheek comments which can seem cynical. I do have a rant however. George Bush said on CNN that history will show Iraq as a comma. I thought you jerk, everything in history is a comma, but it isn't while it's happening. These are people's lives trying to scratch out an existance and they are not a comma. Ok, that's my rant. Posted by: Sally on September 25, 2006 03:22 AMBravo Sally, Oh Lord you've got to read this. The fur is flying around Washington. and by the way "it's Arlen Spector's feeling that the war in Iraq has increased terrorists" and GWB pointed to the fact that Bin Laden thinks it's a serious war and that it has made the Middle East safer. http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003156122 Posted by: Sally on September 25, 2006 03:28 AMPat QOP, if this eclipse fell on your Jupiter in the 10th house, and this was a lotto, you just won over the next six months Posted by: Sally on September 25, 2006 03:30 AMDidn't properly comment on the article. Pat QOP, Is the Lotto in Toronto? Posted by: shylurker on September 25, 2006 03:42 AMHonestly, I wrote the above while you were posting the good news! High time! It seems to be heading that direction! No Shy, You go for it, Pat QOP. Wherever and whenever! The future is yours! Posted by: shylurker on September 25, 2006 03:56 AMBetter and better, your articles. And don't fuss about "plain speaking" Miss Sally, what I understood by that, and what I know, is that you write in such a way that all of us can understand it. So many times astrologers get carried away with conjunction this and trine that, that they never explain what it all means. The big and, the small picture. Your articles are highly enteraining, as well as being informative. I've often wondered how it is you know so much, not just the astrology, but all the historical and cultural info that give your pieces such wonderful color. Posted by: M. on September 25, 2006 03:57 AMHi Sally Thanks for a wonderful article, you write and observe wonderfully! Did you know that Al Gore's Sun degree is Aries 11: The President of the Country? I may have spoken about it before - the effects of jet lag are still with me! I hope it's ok for me to give a plug for my blog. I, finally!, have a new blog entry up about this eclipse - with some stuff about global warming from my daughter... please if anyone would like to pass the link around to others, I would appreciate it. I wrote the blog last night and haven't had time to do an announcement about it. Thanks! and thanks for more things to think about, Sally! http://sabiansymbols.typepad.com/ Posted by: Lynda Hill on September 25, 2006 04:38 AMAbsolutely put a plug for your site Lynda, we are thrilled with your information on Sabian Symbols, they so help to round out understanding of the energy. Posted by: Sally on September 25, 2006 04:56 AMBin Laden and nukes: http://clarityandresolve.com/archives/2006/09/hamid_mir_shukr.php http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/mauro052506.htm Or just Google "Hamid Mir". Scary stuff... Funny thing - El Shukrijumah grew up in my country, Trinidad. Just seven miles off the coast of Chavez - sorry, Venezuela. I think Sally had done a chart earlier this year. Anyone else interested, we got independence from Britain at exactly midnight August 30th 1962. Maybe insignificant, but the guy raising the flag collapsed just as the flag was almost at the top. Deeper meaning somewhere? http://www.nalis.gov.tt/NationalAwards-Emblems/flag_raising.html More on El Shukrijumah: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52018 (Apologies for the World Net Daily...) Posted by: Mars on September 25, 2006 06:35 AMmy goodness Sally, for one with the cooties, you sure do a superb job. As M. said above, your articles are always full of complete clarity and wisdom. It's quite impressive, and very much appreciated. I'm a Leo, too. We are definitely going through a phase now of bottom lining everything. Sick & tired of all the b.s. and tired of playing nicey-nice. I know of at least 3 people I have just had it out with in the last month. It feels so gooooood. We Leos don't like to be openly criticized, so Mr. Bill finally let 'em have it, bet he feels so gooooood now, too. Glad you're feeling better Sally. Posted by: Peg on September 25, 2006 02:32 PMCap'n Sally, I was wondering about Howard Dean and what would be happening with his chart on Nov 9th. He has worked tirelessly to energize the Democratic Party. I note that while Jupiter will be conj his Sun-Chiron natal conj, transiting Saturn will be square on 11/9. Of course, there are many other things going on with his chart and I certainly lack the ability to interpret them. If you have the time, it would be great if you could take a peek at his chart. Posted by: shylurker on September 25, 2006 02:33 PMDean will feel energized on the 9th Shy because of Mars conj his Mars, Saturn doesn't quite get to the square to his Sun, it only goes to 25"08' before it goes retrograde. When a planet doesn't quite make it to your personal planets before it turns you don't quite get the impact of the aspect. It won't be until spring before he is feeling the impact of that Saturn square. The Sun is in his 5th house so it could be something with his kids (probably the oldest kid) or he could be experiencing exhaustion or both. Sun rules his 2nd and 3rd and 3rd does relate to children as well as the 5th (in the Chaledean system)Also since it's the 3rd he is likely to say something inappropriate or it's taken wrong. Peg, one thing about Saturn, it sure helps those with a lot of Neptune contacts. Neptune is a floaty planet and idealistic. Clinton's "oh we can all be one happy family" is based in his Neptune, Saturn transits help him firm up his resolve, helps us all say "that's enough" He is tired of this BS and he should be. He has been blamed for everything from the toilets not working at the WH to Katrina. It's ridiculous. He feels guilty about his time in the WH (Neptune) so he takes it, now it's time to stop taking it. Hillary is going to stop as well, but it might backfire on them both, nonetheless it's past time for them to stand up. Posted by: Sally on September 25, 2006 03:05 PMhey Sally, that March 19 eclipse is exactly conjunct my natal moon in the 10th, and square nVenus in the 12th. Does that signal bad news about one of my parents? Posted by: Peg on September 25, 2006 03:06 PMthat's very cool news for us Neptunians. About time our idealism goes to work for us, I'd say. Posted by: Peg on September 25, 2006 03:09 PMIs Venus in an exact square to your Moon? What sign is your Moon, what signs are on the 4th and 10th house cusps? And what signs are your parents? Sally, not exact. Venus 26'20", nmoon 27'45' in Pisces. 10th house cusp- Pisces, my mom is a Pisces. Cancer- first house cusp (not looking good for my mom, hunh?) Dad: Sag., 4th house cusp is Virgo. Posted by: Peg on September 25, 2006 04:41 PMThanks so much, Cap'n Sally, for looking at HoHo's chart. I'm hoping his feeling energized on the 9th will spread throughout the land and be shared by all (Dems, that is). Posted by: shylurker on September 25, 2006 04:55 PMok, one more thing: that eclipse is in her first house cusp, Pisces, exactly conj. her natal Venus. Posted by: Peg on September 25, 2006 04:56 PM
- Immanuel Wallerstein
When, many years ago, some of us said that the decline of U.S. hegemony in the world-system was inevitable, unstoppable and already occurring, we were told by most people that we ignored the obvious overwhelming military and economic strength of the United States. And there were some critics who said that our analyses were harmful because they served as a self-fulfilling prophecy. Then the neo-cons came to power in the Bush presidency, and they implemented their policy of unilateral macho militarism, designed (they said) to restore unquestioned U.S. hegemony by frightening enemies and intimidating friends into unquestioned obedience to U.S. policies in the world arena. The neo-cons had their chance and their wars and have spectacularly failed either to frighten those regarded as enemies or to intimidate erstwhile allies into unquestioned obedience. The U.S. position in the world system is far weaker today than it was in 2000, the result precisely of the very misguided neo-con policies adopted during the Bush presidency. Today, quite a few people are ready to talk openly about U.S. decline. So what happens now? Posted by: wv on September 25, 2006 05:13 PMSally, I am so glad you're feeling better. I was worried that we hadn't heard from you lately. Another wonderful article too and one that gives me much to ponder. Especially about the Missouri elections. Posted by: Teresa on September 25, 2006 06:51 PMPeg, how old is your mom? Is Uranus involved also? My mother went thru a huge crisis in 2004 and now is in a convalescent hospital, and I kept looking at her aspects (I think her Mars is in Pisces) and thinking, this is it....I thought that for a year. Now she is in great shape (24/hr care helped, by a staff determined to keep her going.) She was 97 on May 16. Her roomate will be 110 on Dec. 31. One of the other ladies there, who walks around with a walker, will be 100 tomorrow. So these crisis can be conquered. And I, too, am a Leo by progression and by dominant planets in my natal chart....for the next 4 months I will have Neptune on my south node at 17 Aquarius. I just wrote an email to Pat C. who was asking what had happened to me and I said....I am just sick of politics! I am sick of the BS. I am sick of people accepting the lies, the crap that goes on....then I came and read Sally's article, which I didn't know was posted. Sally, you brought up so many things which are relevant...and as far as I am concerned, plain speaking is EXACTLY what is needed. Here and in the country...and thank you Big Dawg for not getting folded, spindled and mutilated by the Faux machine. It seemed to me there was a bit of admiration in Chris Wallace's eye at the end. Posted by: judiGem on September 25, 2006 07:22 PManother fun story....this one on raw story, about a NH aide to a guy up for reelection who was posting on liberal blogs..... Well howdy do, Peg....I just ran a progressed chart for my mother, and her P. Venus is at 29 Virgo. No wonder that resonated....and she didn't have mars in pisces, it was at 24 Aquarius (exactly opposite my Chiron)....and her natal Pluto was 24 Gemini, so she is experiencing the opposition from Pluto now. Pretty rare for anyone to have the oposition to Pluto, except in this last century with the speeded up Pluto transits. The things you learn from other people... Posted by: judiGem on September 25, 2006 08:06 PMJudiGem, my mom has progressed Mars at 29 Virgo conjunct her 4th house cusp. I could scare myself silly with that one. Posted by: Teresa on September 25, 2006 09:04 PMjudigem, I followed your link to the story about a Republican aide pretending to be a progressive online. And people think they're going to be honest in this election! LOL! Posted by: lunaoscura on September 25, 2006 09:14 PMjudigem, her progressed Pluto is exactly square the eclipse point and her natal Venus. Nothing significant about Uranus. She'll be 72 in Feb., good health or so it seems. I'm not telling her about this, and thanks for asking. Posted by: Peg on September 25, 2006 10:02 PM
Waterboarding was cited as torture during trials of Japanese military following WWII. Spread the word.
Keith Olbermann comments on Bill Clinton's Fox News interview SPECIAL COMMENT The headlines about them are, of course, entirely wrong. It is not essential that a past president, bullied and sandbagged by a monkey posing as a newscaster, finally lashed back.
Our tone should be crazed. The nation’s freedoms are under assault by an administration whose policies can do us as much damage as al Qaida; the nation’s marketplace of ideas is being poisoned by a propaganda company so blatant that Tokyo Rose would’ve quit. Nonetheless. The headline is this: Bill Clinton did what almost none of us have done in five years. He has spoken the truth about 9/11, and the current presidential administration. "At least I tried," he said of his own efforts to capture or kill Osama bin Laden. "That’s the difference in me and some, including all of the right-wingers who are attacking me now. They had eight months to try; they did not try. I tried." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15004160/ Posted by: wv on September 26, 2006 02:20 AMPeg....boy, what interesting stuff...but your mom is still young, too....hope for the best! Was flipping channels and saw Coulter, Hannity, filleting Clinton...they are angry and pathetic creatures of the dark. Posted by: judiGem on September 26, 2006 03:11 AMWV...thanks for the K.O. transcript...back on the last thread, I said enough was enough.....looks like K.O. says so too....I hope Coulter chokes on her own outrage.... Posted by: judiGem on September 26, 2006 03:19 AMHere's the video of Olbermann's speech tonight. Posted by: lunaoscura on September 26, 2006 03:26 AMKO on YouTube, too: Please write to them and let them know how much you appreciate Keith. viewerservices@msnbc.com Thanks so much Pat C. Done! Posted by: shylurker on September 26, 2006 03:53 AMSally, thanks for the great article. I don't know if this qualifies as part of your statement that "a huge beam of light is shinning on what we didn’t know before and what we haven’t seen," but today on CNN I listened to Rajiv Chandrasekaran, author of "Imperial Life in the Emerald City: Inside Iraq's Green Zone" (Sept. 2006) discuss all the errors made in Iraq. While I think most of us know some things, this book gives examples that are chilling if not horrifying: A comment in the book review on Amazon says: "But Chandrasekaran shows that what reigned in Iraq was massive incompetence, patently unfeasible schemes, naive expectations and arrogance fueled by ignorance." -- From The Washington Post's Book World/washingtonpost.com on Amazon: ........Take, for example, the story of Frederick M. Burkle Jr., a Navy reserve officer and physician with two Bronze Stars whom a colleague describes as "the single most talented and experienced post-conflict health specialist working for the United States government." Burkle was ousted a week after Baghdad's liberation because, he was told by his superiors, the White House preferred to have a Bush "loyalist" in charge of health matters in Iraq. Burkle was replaced (fully two months later) by James K. Haveman Jr., a social worker whose experience as the community-health director for Michigan's former Republican governor, John Engler, had followed a stint running "a large Christian adoption agency in Michigan that urged pregnant women not to have abortions." Haveman had also traveled widely "in his capacity as a director of International Aid, a faith-based relief organization that provided health care while promoting Christianity in the developing world." (That pro-life stance was not uncommon in the CPA: Two staffers report being asked during their job interviews if they supported the Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade ruling.) Chandrasekaran's rendition of Haveman's performance in Iraq makes for unnerving reading: the launch of an antismoking campaign while hospitals lacked pain killers; the emphasis on preventive medicine in a country ravaged by a bloody insurgency; an attempt to refashion Iraq's health care system with a U.S.-inspired model based on private providers, co-payments and primary care while newborns routinely died for lack of incubators."
CNN transcript from today: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0609/25/ltm.04.html
"Americans obviously don’t need the literal facts anyway, at least 25 percent of us will believe that GWB went into Tora Bora himself and tore Bin Laden’s heart out with his bear hands."
Thanks Pat C! I'm delighted to let him know how grateful I am and how I admire what he's doing. With Clinton speaking up and Olbermann speaking up I get such a profound feeling of living in a historical time. Now that people who have the public podium are speaking out so eloquently the future doesn't look so dark. Posted by: lunaoscura on September 26, 2006 03:59 AMAlso, there's an awful lot of positive spirit going on in New Awlins tonight with the Super Bowl open, the Saints back AND dominating the game. If they win tonight, they are 3 and 0, a great opening NFL record. Whether or not you like football (and I do), it does an awful lot for this city at a time when it's sorely needed. Posted by: on September 26, 2006 04:29 AMSaints won!! Woooo-hooo! I hope Sharon was there. Posted by: shylurker on September 26, 2006 05:04 AMOh, and Dave. Where's Dave? Posted by: shylurker on September 26, 2006 05:05 AMSteve Judd... 26 September - A strong Uranus position in someone's chart indicates that the person is outside the "norm" of conventional society in the area indicated by house/aspect. Look at Uranus in your chart. It is where you can be direct, spontaneous/intuitive. It is where you can stay forever young if you are prepared to take chances, or run risks. It’s the part of your life where you'll grow old disgracefully & be an embarrassment to your grandchildren. It should always be remembered, however, that the most disconcerting side of Uranus' nature is its unpredictability. Its main theme/concept is, after all, that of change. http://www.stevejudd.com/home.html Is anyone else getting this terribly annoying orange banner across the top that only appears when I move to refresh AW that says: "Caution: This website contains suspicious content. "Help" "Report" ? Are you aware of it, Miss Sally? Posted by: JoannaOregon on September 26, 2006 07:02 AMI just cannot get enough of listening to Olbermann's "special comment" They cannot stand that the little bit of light streaming through this very dark world they've made is coming from Bill Clinton. For six years I have expected a howling, screaming, putrid black mass to come swirling out of the darkness and suck those nasty mean-spirited people away. Maybe that is the Rapture, maybe they will be taken away someplace else. That would certainly put me in a state of rapture. Peg, those orbs are too far away from the eclipse, the orbs on that are pretty tight, however the eclipse in March does fall a bit closer to the Moon (not Venus.)Look to the house that has Cancer (moon's ruler)and then the 10th and the ruler of the 10th. That's where you could find changes. That said, what struck me is the aspect coming from Pluto next year. That will produce a few challanges for you her, but I want to add that the year Pluto conj. my Sun/Venus and Saturn Squared it and then I had an eclipse on all of it, plus progressed Sun to the 4th house cusp and Neptune/Uranus transited to my 4th house cusp, I had so many death aspects Liz Greene asked a friend of mine who showed her my chart if I was still living. I was still living obviously but in the midst of massive life changes. So I would not count your mom down and out on these aspects. But she will go through some life changes. Posted by: Sally on September 26, 2006 07:19 AMI'm sorry Joanne, it isn't coming up on my computer. I don't know what it is, perhaps your security system. This is a blog and we do put a lot of links on this page, so it's possible that your security system doesn't recognize the site as completely free from questionable links. Posted by: Sally on September 26, 2006 07:23 AMSally, don't know if you meant it, that comment on gwb tearing bin Laden's heart out with his 'bear' hands....funny image. Bare...Bear some times mistakes are funnier than the original intent. Posted by: judigem on September 26, 2006 07:45 AMthanks for the input Sally and jg. I was really taken aback by all of it; I guess March will be interesting. I hope that's all it is. I learned alot by what you told me to look at Sally, especially the cusp stuff. Thanks again. I think it'll take a cold day in hell to take you down Sally, all that amazing strength you've built up has to be good for something you know? At least that's what I keep telling MYself, lol. Posted by: Peg on September 26, 2006 01:20 PMHi Sally and Joanna Miss Sally said: "For six years I have expected a howling, screaming, putrid black mass to come swirling out of the darkness and suck those nasty mean-spirited people away. Maybe that is the Rapture, maybe they will be taken away someplace else. That would certainly put me in a state of rapture." WhaddaHOOT! That'd sure put me in a state of rapture, too. What a plutonic image! There was similar in the film "Ghost," only the monster folks had to kick the bucket first. About the banner. Come to think on it, it first appeared after loading the upgrade of MSN messenger. I don't really like MSN... almost reminds me of AOL where it likes to take over one's machine. Posted by: JoannaOregon on September 26, 2006 02:03 PMI meant "bear" Judi, should have place quotes around it, but that's what they think of him, that he can leap tall buildings at a single bound. I just forgot the quotes, when I get back from work I will fix it. Posted by: Sally on September 26, 2006 02:31 PMhttp://buzzflash.com/articles/interviews/034 Why should we care about the fate of the middle class? The answer to that question is a very simple one. Without a middle class, you won’t have a democracy. If you look at history, you see that those times when countries have had emerging or established middle classes are the times that those countries have been the most democratic, the most peaceful, and have best fulfilled the promises of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And it’s the best thing literally for all life on earth. Posted by: Pat C on September 26, 2006 02:35 PMJoanna, it was the movie Ghost where I first saw that image, after the 2000 election I kept "seeing" that image about this group, I even wrote about it based on the "ghost" movie rather explaining it through the ghost movie image. The first time I saw that image was in an old 1931 black and white movie (can't remember the name) it was white apparitions in that movie (but the music made you know they were from the dark side) I have psychic friends who say they've seen the dark shadows around people with very negative energy. When they watched the movie 'Ghost' they said something like, "well at least they got something right." when the shadows came out. Posted by: lunaoscura on September 26, 2006 03:22 PMFreep this poll on CNN Before 9/11, which administration did more to pursue or kill Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda terrorist group? Bush Clinton Posted by: Morgana on September 26, 2006 04:24 PMHere's the link, scroll down on the right. Posted by: Pat C on September 26, 2006 04:39 PMBefore I go to the poll.................just to let you know McCain's office is still playing "marches militaire" guess that the daily diet there! Dearest Sally, beautiful article, blessings, thanks and pop corn !! Hi, Pat c. :) A really nice link here, http://www.gwelan.com/vibes2006eng/etat-du-jour.php :), US global competitive economy has dropped from 1st to 6th place... 1. Switzerland http://www.weforum.org/en/initiatives/gcp/Global%20Competitiveness%20Report/index.htm
Hugs to you flo c! Posted by: Pat C on September 26, 2006 05:01 PMSally....my astrology teacher in SF, Stuart Walker, told us those images from the movie Ghost were exactly what happened....those were exact descriptions of the energies surrounding people out of integrity that badly. That was back in 1991 when I was taking classes with him. Never forgot it. Jon Stewart did a funny monologue last night, but I missed the beginning and didn't know who he was talking about....he kept mentioning 'sucking the air out of the room' and other dark descriptions, so I thought it was Cheney. Turned out it was Robert Novak!!! hahahaha Wow....Sally, I did get it I guess....'bear' hands....tear you to shreds. Posted by: judigem on September 26, 2006 06:12 PMShe's still smoking: Thanks, Sally, for another beautiful, insightful article.
This season, nerds are suddenly popular http://www.azcentral.com/ent/tv/articles/0926nerdtv.html First thought that came to mind: Mars Retrograde! Posted by: NEOBuckeye on September 26, 2006 08:13 PMRemember the devil saying he has political capital Congratulations Judith!! Awesome work!! .............. http://johnconyers.com/index.asp?Type=SUPERFORMS&SEC=%7B29336D51-F9AE-474D-8C08-8D69902D5149%7D Stand with Congressman Conyers Demand an Investigation of Administration Abuses of Power I am taking steps against the Bush Administration’s handling of the Iraq War and its warrantless wiretapping. I am going to need you to stand with me in fighting for accountability. Join me to demand the creation of a Special Committee to investigate administration abuses of power. More.... ................. http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/26/bush-cheney-nie/ Declassified NIE Shows Cheney and Bush Misled Americans The Iraq conflict has become the ’cause celebre’ for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement. More... Posted by: Pat C on September 27, 2006 12:26 AMTell Congress to Pass the Emergency Paper Ballot Mandate of 2006 In primaries in Ohio, Maryland, California and numerous states across this nation, Electronic Voting Machines have caused serious problems at the polls, resulting in long lines, voters turned way from their polling places, and uncounted or miscounted votes. We must act now to ensure that every eligible voter can cast a ballot that counts on November 7. This simple piece of proposed legislation mandates every voting jursidiction make available emergency paper ballots for the November 7, 2006 general election. These paper ballots will not be provisional ballots but regular ballots. They can be used by any voter who requests one - and will be used by every voter in the event of voting machine faliure. These emergency paper ballot votes must be counted immediately upon the close of polls. http://www.democrats.com/peoplesemailnetwork/86 Posted by: Pat C on September 27, 2006 12:41 AM
http://www.freedomtofascism.com/screenings/screenings.html Posted by: wv on September 27, 2006 12:44 AMhttp://www.democrats.com/emergency-paper-ballot-bill-introduced
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THE GREAT 9/11 COVERUP AND PAKISTAN CONNECTION By Allen L Roland "We took an oath not to talk about it during the campaign, I think correctly so, to increase the capacity of that commission's report to be heard by the people's Congress. Now it's beyond the campaign, so the promise I had to keep this out of the campaign is over. Mr. President, you knew they were in the United States. You were warned by the CIA. You knew in July they were inside the United States. You were told again by briefing officers in August that it was a dire threat. Didn't do anything to harden our border security. Didn't do anything to harden airport security. Didn't do anything to engage local law enforcement. Didn't do anything to round up INS and the consular office, and say we have to shut this down, and didn't warn the American people. What did you do? Nothing so far as we can see ": Bob Kerrey - 9/11 Commissioner So there it is ~ Bob Kerrey ,9/11 Commissioner, blows the lid off of the thoroughness of the Commission's report ~ confirming what many of us have suspected for some time ~ that the Cheney/Bush administration knowingly allowed the trade Center attack with the hope that they could use it as an excuse to implement their resulting Middle East neocon madness. That would explain everything including George W Bush's famous seven minutes of inaction after learning of the attacks ~ he was not surprised and was waiting for instructions from his master ~ Darth Vader himself ~ Dick Cheney. This whole setup and coverup has Dick Cheneys fingerprints all over it and who has been the most vociferous purveyor of 9/11 and Iraq war falsehoods and innuendos ~ Dick Cheney. Watch this extremely well researched and riveting One Hour and Twenty minute film and you will realize that the real heros, who would not give up until they uncovered the Truth, were Mindy Kleinberg, Kristen Breitweiser, Patty Casazza and Lori Van Auken ~ all were widowed by the September 11 terrorist attacks. The film builds on how all four came together as they sought answers and explanations for the tragedy. In their perseverance they helped push for the establishment of an independent commission to investigate 9/11 ~ a request Congress reluctantly fulfilled last year and with little if any encouragement from the White house. ( Soon you will know why ) But now their efforts have since taken on a life of their own and new players have entered and established that Bin Laden was involved with and protected by Pakistan Intelligence(ISI)with obvious White house knowledge. In other words, Bin Laden was much more valuable to the Cheney/Bush administration alive, to be used in their fear and demonizing campaign, than dead. So Stand by ~ the October surprise, alluded to by Bob Kerry of the 9/11 commission, is rapidly growing proof that Cheney, Bush, Rice and Rumsfeld have all been knowingly lying to Congress and the American public inorder to implement their grand neocon global master plan in Iraq. Watch these people, particularly Bush, closely in this film and tell me if you don't see the deceit, arrogance and hypocrisy dripping from their words ~ We have all been had Big Time ! Share this film with everyone you know. This is the best film available to expose 9/11 as a cover up. Click here for I Hour and 20 minute full Video. 9/11 PRESS FOR THE TRUTH http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1016720641536424083&q=press+for+truth&pr=goog-sl Click here for two minute trailer: 9/11 PRESS FOR TRUTH Trailer: http://www.911pressfortruth.com On a personal note ~ This film had been uploaded so it could be seen by thousands of people. But this film wasn't produced without a lot of time and money invested into it. If you can, support these guys and order a DVD for yourself. They have done a tremendous service for our country. Allen L Roland http://blogs.salon.com/0002255/2006/09/26.html
Authors Website: www.allenroland.com Authors Bio: Allen L Roland is a practicing psychotherapist, author and lecturer who also shares a daily political and social commentary on his weblog and website allenroland.com He also guest hosts a monthly national radio show TRUTHTALK on Conscious talk radio www.conscioustalk.net Dear Sally, We've had 8 years to get the voting machines right in this country and it still ain't happening. The first 4 years I will forgive because the Dems were outnumbered and the country was in a coma...but the second 4 years?!!! Kind of makes one wonder what politicians really do with their spare time... And now, 6 weeks before the impending catastrophe of Nov. 7th, the politicians are screaming...go figure. And where does Congress live when they have to go to the poles to figure out that what Al Gore said is right. And now suddenly the US Congress is made aware that Irag is making the world more prone to terrorists...the world being the USA, of course. I cannot believe the unspeakable stupidity of not being able to figure this one out the minute we attacked Iraq... Ridiculous men! Ridiculous bubble headed men! The latest report on global warming...irreversible until 2050. The 2 degree rise in temperature globally...more stupidity, more greed. I gotta go read Mary Poppins or something. I'm whiggy.
Beasely, exactly!! Jeez. The thing with global warming - that seems pretty dire. It's like the vast majority of people are asleep. My daughter says we have to get more 'compassionate' - compassion being on a large scale. We have to get with the program that we live on a planet and we have to be compassionate to that planet. It's global compassion... Here in Sydney, we've just had a huge body of water off Sydney (obviously, in the Pacific) that's 3 degrees CELSIUS above what it should be at this time of year. Last month, we had another record breakign month in temperatures. We had a very hot day the other day and it's just the beginning of spring... I get a little despairing when I see how people consume energy (me included). In the States, I've never seen anyone with a clothes line - like, you know, drying their clothes in the sun. I understand the difficulties of apartment living, but people in houses with no clothes line. It's weird to Australians, yet more and more Australians are throwing their washing in the dryer while the clothes line rusts outside. The scientist I saw speaking of the heated waters off Sydney said that many animals will die. Great!! Yippee. With the leaders actually wanting to manifest the end of the world, they're doing a great job. The Rapture, it seems, is their goal and bugger everyone and everything else. GW Bush's progressed Mercury has for some time now been on Virgo 2: A Large White Cross Dominates the Landscape... it will next move onto Virgo 3: Two Guardian Angels Bringing Protection... I can see him now, ascending, hands clasped, trying not to smirk... him and all those other swines. End of rant (for now!!) Posted by: Lynda Hill on September 27, 2006 03:48 AMIt isn't fair! Two guardian Angels bringing protection? I don't like the idea of those protecting angels, either. Boooo! As for hanging the clothes out to dry: the smell of clothes that have been thoroughly washed and then hung out in the smog to dry is, well, yucky. Many decades ago, it was so neat to go pull the clothes off the line, all fresh and warm from the sunshine. Today? Gimme a break. Posted by: shylurker on September 27, 2006 06:16 AMQOP what kind of condition would cause the trees to do that, to not turn. My niece, who lived in Vermont until a couple of months ago, said the trees didn't turn much last year and she is in Michigan this year and said they aren't as brilliant as they used to be. What would cause that? Posted by: Sally on September 27, 2006 06:24 AMQOP, Cap'n Sally: Heat? We had horrible heat here (No Calif) in July and plants suffered. Posted by: shylurker on September 27, 2006 06:39 AMWe hang dry clothes on the line here in New Orleans thanks to my energy consulting husband. He promotes it to everyone and he is right. We have a system where we put the clothing on hangers first so they can be hung in the closet. We also turn them inside out to protect them from the sun. The sun is a natural disinfectant and the clothese smell wonderful, although the towels get really stiff (no smog here, S-L). I didn't want to do this when I first moved here almost 4 years ago, but it's working out ok. Just my 2 cents. Posted by: on September 27, 2006 07:04 AMWe hang dry clothes on the line here in New Orleans thanks to my energy consulting husband. He promotes it to everyone and he is right. We have a system where we put the clothing on hangers first so they can be hung in the closet. We also turn them inside out to protect them from the sun. The sun is a natural disinfectant and the clothese smell wonderful, although the towels get really stiff (no smog here, S-L). I didn't want to do this when I first moved here almost 4 years ago, but it's working out ok. Just my 2 cents. Posted by: on September 27, 2006 07:04 AMwv, Can you still get the video, or make the link to buy the video? Posted by: kristl on September 27, 2006 11:48 AMIt isn't a question of brilliant color versus dull color. THERE ARE NO LEAVES LEFT TO TURN! QOP-the same thing is happening here in Berkeley!! We have just had a complete refurbishing of our apartment and I was fascinated by the amount of greasy dust we found. I do not put a lot of emphasis on housecleaning but this was incredible. I came to the conclusion that this is what five years of laissez faire enviromental policy looks like. And trees all over this part of California are looking rusty,brown and very unhealthy. Posted by: clymela on September 27, 2006 02:16 PMDon't miss this and do share it: Talk about bad air and bad Rice!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1881622,00.html Six months to a year ago I had a "psychic" hit on this and saw it happening. I dismissed it as wishful thinking and just laughed at myself. However the vision I saw several months ago has haunted me as I saw Murdoch being pulled more and more into the Clinton circle and now look at this headline "MURDOCH TO SWING LEFT." I am amazed but I have to remember it is all about money and being on the leading edge of trends. http://internationalpress.blogspot.com/2006/04/murdoch-to-make-hard-left-turn.html Posted by: Sally on September 27, 2006 03:53 PM:-) Posted by: Pat C on September 27, 2006 04:06 PM
Wednesday September 27, 2006 2:31 PM
Director Sadie Fields said the Georgia branch's board voted about two weeks ago to make the change because of the Christian Coalition of America's liberal ``drift.'' ``It's really a sad moment,'' Fields said Monday. ``I deeply regret we have been compelled to take this action, but we felt like we had no other choice.'' The president of the national organization said Tuesday she will establish a new chapter in Georgia. ``The Christian Coalition - or any group - is not about individuals,'' said Roberta Combs, president of Christian Coalition of America. ``Maybe we can work together in the future.'' Combs did not say when the new chapter would be established. State chapters in Alabama, Iowa and Ohio have also left the Christian Coalition. Fields said she became concerned by the changing direction of the national organization, which now takes stances on issues like the minimum wage, the environment and Internet law instead of core issues like abortion and same-sex marriage. Combs agreed the coalition had begun broadening its agenda. ``Family values reach beyond abortion and gay marriage,'' she said. The national Christian Coalition, which claims more than 2 million members, was founded in 1989 by religious broadcaster the Rev. Pat Robertson.
I am not sure if I already posted this, but it seems that scientists have found that the last time the mean temperature on earth is what it is today, was one million years ago.... I remember when I lived on Maui as a little kid that we washed on a tin wash board...later, we got a wringer washer...I remember helping my mom with the laundry when it was sitting in the back yard (this time on Oahu). But we always hung the wash on the line. Of course, that doesn't work in the rain. But it is wonderful. (no smog in Hawai'i) But LA...geezlouise, the smog...I still hung stuff on the line but ended up using laundromats and home laundry washer/dryer. Same in Phoenix, although everything would have dried in about 90 seconds there...you could get skin cancer (I did) being out there long enough to hang it up. I have moved into houses in the Bay Area where there were old lines around trees, and they hadn't been used in decades, and the tree had grown around them. With women working the conveniences took over. Seems to me it is up to us old broads to bring it back....if we have the time to do it. You go Pat QP! That was me, Judi Gem... Posted by: on September 27, 2006 05:42 PMNone he less, for a year now his actions have been different to say the least. For one thing he has become more visable. According to a friend of mine who knows his beloved son who resigned and moved to Australia, that son has turned left and wanted to take Fox left and that's why he resigned and I have never seen this article and it was a year ago that I had this vision, which I attach visions of any kind to the collective energy. Another odd thing I noticed that is disturbing me when Bush had his interview with Brian Williams he used the word "adapt" over and over. "We can't let the terrorists know our methods because they will 'adapt.' He used the word several times, and I never heard him use that word before, certainly not repeating it over and over. One of the sentences pulled out of the NIE report that I heard was "the terrorists are 'adapting' to our methods." Then we have the leak that Bin Laden is dead, then the NIE report is "leaked." I don't think so. This administration is trying to find a way out, and I'm not at all sure that the Dems want this mess in 2004 plus the 'neo-con' method of moving the world to a NWO isn't working all that well in other parts of the world and I think they will try a different way to bring the NWO, important to keep paying attention to all parties and movements. Posted by: Sally on September 27, 2006 05:47 PMWell...I wouldn't be surprised if Murdock does do this....and I love the description of O'Realy? as a gallah... Pretty interesting to see how this all works, but I figure if you lie down with the pigs (dems protecting Murdoch) they will end up in the mud...no matter what he says he will do, he will do it for his own advantage, which makes him a thug in the first place. I hear his wife is the one getting him into China...they are doing a MySpace for China. Posted by: judigem on September 27, 2006 05:48 PMSally...what you are pointing out is right on. NWO depends on who is in power, so I guess my question is, how long before the populace 'gets' this? Or will it always just be a matter of numbers...they (NWO) only need the percentage of sheeple which will always remain higher than the amount of people who 'get it' to remain on top. Even those who 'get it' might vote to retain the NWO anyway...because people always want to stay with the dominant winner. Which is why really great and charismatic people get martyred early on, I would add. They are the ones who are the biggest threat to the NWO. Posted by: on September 27, 2006 05:53 PMWell, geez...an art teacher in TX has been fired (award winning teacher for 28 years!) because she took kids to the museum in Dallas and THEY SAW A NUDE STATUE. gasp....horror....! Burn the place down!!! no...fire the teacher. This is on Raw Story.... Posted by: judigem on September 27, 2006 06:00 PMhttp://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=503125 Major makeover possible at MSNBC
http://www.makethemaccountable.com/coverup/Part_04.htm Posted by: Pat C on September 27, 2006 06:35 PMJudiG...I found this on the comment section of the Rawstory article about the teacher. It's the info for the principal in Frisco. Call and give this woman a piece of your mind. Or write them a letter. Principal: Nancy Lawson 2500 Old Orchard Dr. Frisco TX 75034 Phone: 469.633.2600 Fax: 469.633.2650 Posted by: Cybear on September 27, 2006 06:39 PMWhat an article Sally! The next few months are going to very interesting. I wish we could just fast forward about ten years and be long done with this mess. Or trip back to the past to make sure Poppy was lost at sea and none of this ever happened. Posted by: Cybear on September 27, 2006 07:06 PMCybear, I thought about doing this, thanks for the info...will get on it, and will send this around to my artist friends...I'll bet Pat QP will blister her ear....how demented our society is (trust me, we have had the seame thing happen in the Bay Area also...not with a teacher, but with ptgs being removed from public spaces because someone objects.) Posted by: judigem on September 27, 2006 07:14 PMYears ago the Crescent Hotel in Dallas had a huge statue of Hercules on it's front lawn that had to be removed because a small group of sheep began to cry about it. They also had 2 statues of nudes downtown moved from the front of a building to the courtyard in back. I heard of paintings being moved from front windows as well. Freaking amazing.... I am so sick of the small minority of sheep silencing the majority of humans on this earth. Anyway, I'll be firing off a letter tonight after work. This is unacceptable! Posted by: Cybear on September 27, 2006 07:28 PMI think we should all send cards of artistic nudes to the principal. Wouldn't that be funny...thousands of nude greeting cards arriving to her office all demanding that the teacher be reinstated. Posted by: Cybear on September 27, 2006 07:31 PMSally, in response to your 3:53 pm entry regarding FOX (Faux News) making a hard left, I saw another article this morning where MSNBC is going to change its format so Tweety, Tuckered out and KO would be out of a job at MSNBC so I could see them going to FOX. Man wouldn't that just be something to see FOX flip and blow all those bible thumping GOP minds. Man pass that popcorn! Posted by: Morgana on September 27, 2006 08:23 PMMorgana, looks to me like the writing is on the wall with the media...they see the 'end' of the GOP dominance, as the polls are telling them the truth even if they don't report it.... So maybe instead of the political news guys moving to CNBC, they will get a bidding war going if Faux news bids high enough. I can't see Olbermann going there....but the others definitely. Posted by: judigem on September 27, 2006 08:34 PMHow prescient JudiG! I've been blistering a lot of ears today! Watching the House proceedings on the torture bill! I'll take on that principle and yes it will be a nude card! Murdoch is a wiley one. A flip to the left for Fox News would not surprise me at all. Especially if Congress goes in favor of the Democrats this fall. He certainly won't want to be on the losing end, as ACCOUNTABILITY finally starts rolling in with the NeoCons in Aim. Everyone for himself. Mind you, it won't be Radical/Revolutionary Left. If it happens at all, Fox will go to "DLC Dem/Corporate Lite". We'll see... Posted by: NEOBuckeye on September 27, 2006 09:34 PMNot sure about Fox switching anytime soon to the left. The big news with them right now is their decision to get into the Christian movie making business .. seems more a deeper swing to the right than any thoughts of moving left. Movies are big business anymore and they have a ready made market and they are pushing this big time. Posted by: Siobhan on September 27, 2006 09:50 PM
By Paul Craig Roberts The neoconservative Bush administration will attack Iran with tactical nuclear weapons, because it is the only way the neocons believe they can rescue their goal of US (and Israeli) hegemony in the Middle East. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15118.htm
Mr. Bush said he wanted to release the document so voters would not be confused about terrorism or the war when they voted for Congressional candidates in November. But the three declassified pages from what is certainly a voluminous report told us what any American with a newspaper, television or Internet connection should already know. The invasion of Iraq was a cataclysmic disaster. The current situation will get worse if American forces leave. Unfortunately, neither the report nor the president provide even a glimmer of a suggestion about how to avoid that inevitable disaster. Despite what Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and John Negroponte, the director of national intelligence, have tried to make everyone believe, one of the key findings of the National Intelligence Estimate, which represents the consensus of the 16 intelligence agencies, was indeed that the war in Iraq has greatly increased the threat from terrorism by “shaping a new generation of terrorist leaders and operatives.” It said Iraq has become “the cause célèbre for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of U.S. involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement.” It listed the war in Iraq as the second most important factor in the spread of terrorism — after “entrenched grievances such as corruption, injustice and fear of Western domination.” And that was before April, when the report was completed. Since then, things have got much worse. ( The report was written before the killing in June of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq. The authors thought such an event would diminish the danger in Iraq. It has not.) Mr. Bush decided to release this small, selected chunk of the report in reaction to an article on the intelligence assessment that appeared in The Times over the weekend. As a defense of his policies, it serves only to highlight the maddening circular logic that passes for a White House rationale. It goes like this: The invasion of Iraq has created an entire new army of terrorists who will be emboldened by an American withdrawal. Therefore, the United States has to stay indefinitely and keep fighting those terrorists. By that logic, the more the United States fights, the longer the war stretches on. It’s obvious why Mr. Bush did not want this report out, and why it is taking so long for the intelligence agencies to complete another report, solely on Iraq, that was requested by Congress in late July. It’s not credible that more time is needed to do the job. In 2002, the intelligence agencies completed a report on Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction in less time. Mr. Bush also made selected passages of that report public to buttress his arguments for war with Iraq, most of which proved to be based on fairy tales. Then, Mr. Bush wanted Americans to focus on how dangerous Saddam Hussein was, and not on the obvious consequences of starting a war in the Middle East. Now, he wants voters to focus on how dangerous the world is, and not on his utter lack of ideas for what to do about it.
Right Wing Targets Keith Olbermann The crazies are at it again, first it was the NY Times - now it's Olbermann
The powder turned out to be a dud, but that doesn't change much. The right-wing in America has once again chosen to try and silence that which they disagree with. http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/09/right_wing_targ.html Posted by: wv on September 27, 2006 11:49 PMwv Here is the New York Posts take on it, I wrote them a nasty gram.. http://www.nypost.com/gossip/pagesix/powder_puff_spooks_keith_pagesix_.htm Posted by: Morgana on September 27, 2006 11:57 PMWV...Nuremburg should be required viewing for everyone now...! Did anyone else see that the top eastcoast schools AND Stanford and numerous other elite universities have FAILED teaching civics and the history of the USA? No wonder the worst of these scum treat us like crap. they haven't a clue, despite their $200K educations. The top school in the country for teaching civics and history is Rhodes U. in Memphis! Pat QP...my teacher at College of San Mateo, a community college which turns out to be teaching real art, not digital (although that is done there also, but I mean classical art).... I love Keith Olbermann - I love his style. More Keith, I say! Posted by: Lynda Hill on September 28, 2006 08:27 AMThe thing with Murdoch going left is slow in coming but I've got my fingers crossed. Of course, republicans are still saying that the media is liberal... yeah, right! BTW, no biggie, but the spelling of galah is one 'l', this was from the article on Murdoch: “Rubbish, O’Reilly is a gallah (an idiot, a clown), a bully who backs down when forced to stand on his own.” I found this on the internet: http://www.anu.edu.au/andc/res/aewords/aewords_cg.php
Yep, galahs, those repugs, alright. Posted by: Lynda Hill on September 28, 2006 08:52 AM
Rushing Off a Cliff Here’s what happens when this irresponsible Congress railroads a profoundly important bill to serve the mindless politics of a midterm election: The Bush administration uses Republicans’ fear of losing their majority to push through ghastly ideas about antiterrorism that will make American troops less safe and do lasting damage to our 217-year-old nation of laws — while actually doing nothing to protect the nation from terrorists. Democrats betray their principles to avoid last-minute attack ads. Our democracy is the big loser. Republicans say Congress must act right now to create procedures for charging and trying terrorists — because the men accused of plotting the 9/11 attacks are available for trial. That’s pure propaganda. Those men could have been tried and convicted long ago, but President Bush chose not to. He held them in illegal detention, had them questioned in ways that will make real trials very hard, and invented a transparently illegal system of kangaroo courts to convict them. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/28/opinion/28thu1.html?pagewanted=print Posted by: wv on September 28, 2006 11:37 AMOlberman has done it again - - vindicating Clinton's outrage on Fox with facts. Watch video showing how Bush did nothing about terrorism even tho clinton people tried to get them to take threat seriously beginning immediately after bush inauguration. According to an article on Mars in the new Mountain Astrologer, it looks like January '07 is going to be intense. The chief loons Mars and Pluto will be crossing over Tehran during the month. Looks like possible war with Iran firing up then. Also, bigger problems in Afghanistan/Pakistan could be occuring as well. Check out these charts.. http://www.astrocartography.co.uk/GWBAfghan.htm Posted by: Cybear on September 28, 2006 04:01 PMhttp://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=5470875&nav=menu183_2 Pollster: Bush 2000 win due to media calling race
Former University of New Hampshire professor and pollster David Moore makes the argument in his book: "How to Steal and Election." He maintains Gore rightfully won the presidency. Moore, who founded the U-N-H Survey Center, said he knows his premise is a "hard sell" and insists the book is not partisan. Nonetheless, it cost him his job at the Gallup Poll after he told his bosses about the book last spring. His book focuses on the people who analyzed the votes for network television in 2000. He argues maintains networks put Florida in Bush's win column too quickly _ effectively giving him the electoral votes needed for victory and influencing the ultimate outcome when the fight over who won Florida was taken to court. ___ Information from: Concord Monitor, http://www.cmonitor.com From Drudge of all places. Woodward on Iraq - - you'll be surprised! Some more on Woodward's new book "State of Denial." This has a little more on the Kissinger connection. While George & CONDI entertained theePresidents of Afghanistan & Pakistan, Poppy hosted the President of Kazakistan at Kennebunkport! Some might find this a bit over-drawn but I'm quite over-wrought right now, so it suits me: Sorry I haven't read through all the posts so maybe this has been addressed. Has anyone done a chart on the U.S. Constitution and seen signs pointing to its death? Anything that indicates a finger of god? Or can this detainee law that passed Congress this week be overturned and we can ease back from the edge of fascism? Posted by: Larry on September 29, 2006 12:13 AMI'm finding it hard to believe that we have just witnessed the end of our democracy. Below is the letter I have just sent to the SF Chronicle. Perhaps not as well-written as I'd hoped, but my stomach is churning with fury. Today, the United States has died. The moral grounding for a democracy, the heart of our nation, has been cut out by an opportunistic congress more concerned with stealing another election for the right-wing neocons than with preserving the rights and freedoms to which they so willingly give lip service while trampling the Constitution for their personal gain and power. Yesterday, a citizen of this country had the right to know any charges made against them if arrested; today, Habeus Corpus ("let's see the body") is gone. That's right - your "government" has just made it possible for the current resident of the White House to decide to take you from your home and jail you without cause indefinitely. You, too, can be just like those held at Guantanamo Bay - stripped of your right to even know why you have been arrested, detained for no stated reason, tortured and killed without any recourse. This is a day of disgrace and sorrow - the extinguishing of what once once a shining light of democracy in service of a cabal of petty-minded incompetents whose only interest or desire is power - worldwide, all-encompassing power to arrest, humiliate, jail, torture and kill anyone who stands for truth and justice, who has a grain of compassion. The "American Way" is no longer a beacon, but a searchlight - seeking out any who dare to disagree. I urge every reader to find out how their representatives voted (in both the House and Senate) on this issue; every congressperson who voted "yes" should be turned out of office in November in hopes that we may yet salvage and reinvigorate a democracy in this country instead of becoming the fascist state we are headed toward. Posted by: baraka on September 29, 2006 12:49 AMWow...that is a terrific piece, Baraka...I'll bet this gets overturned by the supreme court though. I saw Sandra Day O'Connor and Steven Breyer on PBS news hour...last night. They were talking about getting death threats because of the decisions they make. She seemed very much different that the old Sandy. I wonder if she has 'aswakened'..... There is a voting web site for congress, anyone know the URL? Posted by: judigem on September 29, 2006 01:11 AMWell, & of course these "laws" are unconstitutional... the Constitution has not been modified nor can it be without 2/3 states agreeing & that looks terribly remote, which is why they're trying to make changes with their lil edicts n' sech. They can pretend the Constitution/Bill of Rights is "just a goddamned piece of paper," however, that doesn't make it so. The neoconners are con-artists... bogus boyz... flim-flammers... shuckin' n' jivers... the things they've done cannot pass Constitutional muster, which is why they never talk about it. So in spite of the doom n' gloom & the disease-producing deep depression & astrological predictions that seem to "amazingly" go lock-step with depressed spirits, I prefer to wait n' see... oh, & with a certain loving detachment when I can manage it. I could be crazy (taHA!), but that ain't nothin' new & there's not much I can personally do other than hold a consciousness of rather more than less... reality. ;O) Posted by: JoannaOregon on September 29, 2006 01:17 AMLarry The US Constitution was signed on Sept 17, 1787 in Philadelphia. The Constitution was eventually ratified and came into existence in 1789. I don't know where to go from there. Posted by: judigem on September 29, 2006 01:20 AMThe US Constitution chart shows T. Pluto at 24 Sag is opposing it's natal Jupiter at 25 Gemini.... The rest for a noon chart: South node is conj. Mars! N.Saturn about to be transited by T. Neptune. T. Neptune just went over N. Pluto... Oh very good JoannaOregon! Doom and gloom gets us nowhere but depressed. We have entered the Twilight Zone. How long before this would get up to the Supremes? I'm not a legal eagle by any stretch. Posted by: Morgana on September 29, 2006 01:34 AMYes Larry there is astrological evidence that the Constitution has died. The chart of the Constitution is at 24 Virgo, transiting Pluto just squared that point and Solar Arc Pluto conjuncts that Sun. That does spell the death of the Constitution and today's vote proves that fact. We are no longer a nation of laws and the President of the US has just been given the powers of a dictator. No one is safe from this president or this government. The "Sun" of the United States (the Constitution) has been eclipsed and there isn't any telling when the light will shine again if ever. A friend of mine sent me this quote and I pass it on with the power these words hold. "How long? Not long, because no lie can live forever. Not what they're going to do, or what they think they're going to do. Fear is their friend, our anger is their enemy. Do your best to get everyone angry. But be aware, they might not like it, though we will all be better for it. Posted by: Sally on September 29, 2006 01:44 AMUm, Cap'n Sally, you have a typo in the MLK quote. It's "arc of the moral universe . . ."
By Mike Whitney In a 253 to 168 "party-line" vote, the congress repealed habeas corpus and approved the torturing of prisoners in American custody. It is breathtaking assault on human rights and personal liberty and puts the United States well-outside the community of civilized nations. === By Chris Floyd Bush's "War on Terror" is coming to the Homeland, and its target is the American people. Bush and his handlers want to destroy the ability of anyone to oppose their hard-right - and overwhelmingly unpopular - agenda. It's the only way the Faction can maintain its domination - and avoid prosecution for its many crimes. === By Sheila Samples It's difficult to determine who's dumb and dumber here -- the American people or our foolish president. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15139.htm === Thanks Shy, I just copied it as was from the email I was sent so thanks for the correction Posted by: Sally on September 29, 2006 02:37 AMBob Fertik http://www.democrats.com/node/10166 LIEberman and 11 Democrats voted *for* torture, rape, sodomy, waterboarding, prison without trial, "accidental" and accidental deaths, etc. etc. Any four of these 10 prevented us from filibustering this bill: And of course: Don't get mad and lash out against everyone, including your allies. Keep a long memory and Get even. I've been informed that Chafee voted against it (most likely because he is an opportunist losing his election) Thanks Sally and Judi. Whew. I guess I was hoping you would say that the rule of law did NOT actually die today and that the sun WILL shine again. Lemme try to walk back from this window ledge for a sec. It's crystal clear to me, astrology aside, that our great hope of overturning the rottenness won't happen in this election cycle, no matter how many seats the D's win. Brown, of Ohio and Ford of TN, both voted for this travesty in the house. I can imagine a whole lot of progressives in each state puking at the thought of voting for them for Senate now. As for the rest of the D's who voted yes, I don't even know if they realized what they were voting for. Just didn't want to look 'weak' in an election year, so they rolled over once again. Posted by: Larry on September 29, 2006 03:19 AMI think the Constitution in actuality died many years ago. It survived through most of our history as an idea, and an important one at that. You can shred and burn the paper itself, but the only way the idea of a Constitution and a Bill of Rights can ever be vanquished is to come up with a better idea to replace it. The structure of the "United States" itself can and will crumble, stumble and fall to pieces, but the idea of "America" is something that each of us can carry forward in our hearts. They will never, ever take that away from us. I cannot say what these twisted men think they are going to get away with, but they are certainly attempting very hard to make a run for broke. They may as well be running to The Hague, because that's where most of them who manage to stick around on this plane are going to end up standing trial. If Americans can't or won't put their feet down and stomp out the Reactionary NeoCons, the World will eventually unite and do it for us, and we probably won't much enjoy their methods. If nothing else, the next 10 years is going to be a very, very interesting ride. Posted by: NEOBuckeye on September 29, 2006 03:26 AMSent to me by a good friend. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr3x_RRJdd4 Stick with it till the end. Posted by: Pat C on September 29, 2006 03:29 AMThe 2 NJ Senators both voted for torture & against habeous??????? but Biden voted against....... "POLITICAL MANUVER"! Awwwwww, Pat C. Just when we all needed one, too! Posted by: shylurker on September 29, 2006 04:10 AM* Cosmic Questions regarding the End Of The World (EOTW) Are you concerned about the things you're reading on other Internet sites discussing cosmic catastrophes? As they are written, you probably should be. Click on the links in the questions below to restore a basic sense of sanity & peace of mind. As you read these comments & before panicking or stockpiling survival gear, remember Y2K. Oh no! An Acidic Planet Eating Cloud will gobble us up in June 2014. This must be the End of the World! Is Pluto really crossing The Galactic Center? Will it be the End of the World? What will happen when the Mayan Calendar runs out? Will it be the End of the World? Is it true that Planet X is going to smash us to smithereens? Will it be the End of the World? Are the Poles of the Earth going to shift? Will it be the End of the World? Has the Sun gone crazy with sunspots & solar activity? Will it be the End of the World? When is the next Killer Asteroid going to strike Earth? Will it be the End of the World? http://www.philipsedgwick.com/ Posted by: JoannaOregon on September 29, 2006 04:52 AMRevere them for their strength, and shame the weak ones today who confirmed as a policy of our country the treatment these women somehow endured for the land we love, and more. Send it on: Pat C, the "hug" video was just wonderful, and felt so good. Joanna, thanks for posting the Sedgwick site, he is such a good astrologer. A friend of mine just sent me a CD of his latest lecture (she went to it) He's really good. Shylurker: I am so grateful for that link you posted. It reminds me of the strength of other generations. I am perplexed as to what part of a person's brain can do that and still stand themselves. Congress saw all those pictures and videos of the kind of torture that is going on, how can they sanction that against a human being. I just don't know. Posted by: Sally on September 29, 2006 08:07 AMWell how would you guys like to be a florida voter on Nov 7th. . . Our choice is between Bill Nelson who voted for torture and the elimination of habeas corpus and Katherine Harris. Posted by: on September 29, 2006 08:54 AMFlorida! Blessedly, My Uncle Bob passed away Saturday, and didn't live to see this day! He was a D state Senator in NJ,of moral high ground, and brought a young campaigning Frank Lautenburg to our door many years ago! You know those crocs, that everyone is wearing that they swear are so comfy?..........They look just like the footware worn by the peasants in Pieter Bruegel paintings ( medieval Flemish artist!) Self-knowledge can provide us with a point of entry to the act of empathy. Yes, even extending it towards one as loathsome as George W. Bush. Years ago, the sorry ass son of a bitch put on a mask (its contours, both menacing and ridiculous) in a vain attempt to shield himself from being crushed by power. Imagine having his parents: that soulless cipher of a father and blood-freezing Medusa of a mother. Try to imagine the psychological carnage involved. It’s the same trauma we experience daily due to our own powerlessness against the dictates of the corporate state and its threats, both implied and overt, to cast us into the howling wilderness of financial ruin, poverty, and homelessness. (A caveat: The proffering empathy to Dick Cheney would be pushing the parameters of empathy to the breaking point: Upon being subjected to Cheney's glowering, reptilian aura, even Mahatma Ghandi would be reaching for a pair of brass knuckles.) Even in this fear-ridden era, there are some among us -- types such as nonconformists, creative thinkers, and artists -- who welcome (rather than cower before) the metaphorical wolves (that are recognized, each to each, as fellow outcasts). Instead of being eaten by the wolves, they are suckled and raised by them. Nourished by their outsider status, the creative spirit thrives when freed from the constraints of a mindless adherence to groupthink. The dark terrain of societal abandonment becomes their natural habitat: they howl at the moon; they reject the daylight world of bland consensus; they learn to see in the dark, apprehending their own interior darkness and, as a result, gain an understanding into the hearts of darkness beating within those in power. http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1262.shtml Posted by: Patricia on September 29, 2006 12:44 PMNeoBuckeye, I woke up this morning knowing that I would find something that you had written. I came on to ask the question Larry asked. Thanks for already addressing it guys. Sally, The MLK quote helps. Posted by: Peg on September 29, 2006 02:37 PMPhilip Sedgwick makes a nice plug for Lynda ;O): "Sabian Symbols Oracle ~ On Lynda Hill's site you'll find another very useful Oracle and lots of other good stuff. She's one of the Sabian masters out there." Posted by: JoannaOregon on September 29, 2006 04:25 PMhttp://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/9/29/105037/615 On Kicking Ass and Crashing Gates Posted by: Pat C on September 29, 2006 04:35 PMIt's getting wilder, no doubt with more to come: http://www.chris-floyd.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=860&Itemid=135 Thunder on the Mountain: The Murderers of Democracy snip Who are these people? Who are these useless hanks of bone and fat that call themselves Senators of the United States? Let’s call them what they really are, let’s speak the truth about what they’ve done today with their votes on the bill to enshrine Bush’s gulag of torture and endless detention into American law. More… Posted by: Pat C on September 29, 2006 08:21 PMI'm a little confused. Did Spector's bill also get rejected in the house? Might it be voted on again in the Senate at some future time? I don't totally understand how this works. Posted by: Sharon on September 29, 2006 08:24 PM http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/09/judge-taylor-defies-leader-again.html Judge Taylor defies the Leader again Judge Anna Diggs Taylor today refused the Bush administration's request to issue a "stay" of her Order in the ACLU v. NSA case. When Judge Taylor ruled previously that the President's warrantless eavesdropping violated both the criminal law and the U.S. Constitution, she issued an Order enjoining the Bush administration from continuing its warrantless eavesdropping program. More... Posted by: Pat C on September 29, 2006 08:32 PMSharon, I believe all attempted amendments, including Specter's, were voted down and then the bill itself was voted on. Posted by: shylurker on September 29, 2006 08:40 PMApparently, the Dems just gained another Senate seat. Foley had to resign: "Congressman Mark Foley (R-FL) planned to resign today, hours after ABC questioned him about sexually explicit internet messages with current and former Congressional pages under the age of 18. "A spokesman for Foley, the chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children, . . . " http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/9/29/151919/169 Posted by: shylurker on September 29, 2006 08:43 PMJFK http://welcome-to-pottersville.blogspot.com/2006/09/voice-from-grave_02.html Oh Johnny, how we've missed you. Posted by: M. on September 29, 2006 08:50 PMThank you shy!! Posted by: Pat C on September 29, 2006 09:23 PMThank God Foley left as my young Granddaughter was arriving in DC for her Jr. Youth Leadership Council experience! Take heart! http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001637.php Court Challenge to Torture Law In "Days" With President Bush poised to sign the White House-backed detainee treatment bill into law, groups are promising to challenge it in court "in days." “I don’t think there’s a snowball’s chance in ‘H’ that this will be found constitutional,” Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights, told Congressional Quarterly (sub. req.). CCR represents a number of Guantanamo prisoners. Strangely, some senators who voted for the bill weren't convinced of its constitutionality. Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA), who voted for the bill even after his amendment to preserve certain rights for detainees was defeated, called the proposal "patently unconstitutional on its face," The Washington Post reported. When CQ asked Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), who negotiated with the White House to win minor concessions on the legislation, if the bill was constitutional, he responded "I think so." Posted by: Pat C on September 29, 2006 09:30 PMMolly Ivins | Habeas Corpus, R.I.P. (1215 - 2006) http://www.truthout.org/ Molly Ivins writes: "Fellow citizens, this bill throws out legal and moral restraints as the president deems it necessary - these are fundamental principles of basic decency, as well as law. I'd like those supporting this evil bill to spare me one affliction: Do not, please, pretend to be shocked by the consequences of this legislation. And do not pretend to be shocked when the world begins comparing us to the Nazis." Thanks, Shy. I guess a bill is presented to the House before the Senate so once it passes the Senate, that is the final step? (Although it sounds like this one is going to be challenged; as for me, I'm constitutionally-politically-governmetally and civics-challenged. I know so little about these processes.) Posted by: Sharon on September 29, 2006 10:05 PMOver at DU, someone posted the relevant FL Election Code. Foley's name apparently will remain on the ballot and, should it win, Jebbous could appoint someone to be the senator. So . . . . . http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2854242 Posted by: shylurker on September 29, 2006 10:59 PMCORRECTION: Foley is in the House. So sorry, folks! Posted by: shylurker on September 29, 2006 11:05 PM
Hey PatC and friends, This is an honest question: Can someone explain why the word hell is not in this story? “I don’t think there’s a snowball’s chance in ‘H’ that this will be found constitutional,” Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights, told Congressional Quarterly (sub. req.). CCR represents a number of Guantanamo prisoners. Did he really say "a snowball's chance in 'H'"? Why is it deemed necessary to censor a word like 'hell'? Maybe it's because I'm an Ozzie and around here we have a convict mentality (and we don't have a shred of 'puritans' in our history)and feel we can spew forth all kinds of words, but is hell really a word to be censored? Of course, this may sound like a trite question when one considers that people are having their legs 'pulpified' by torture. Perhaps words like that are more in need of censoring?? Just a little cultural musing and a sincere question here. What are your thoughts? Posted by: Lynda Hill on September 29, 2006 11:52 PMAlso, PatC, I stole your wonderful expression 'Outstanding Olbermann' and used it over on my blog (this makes me laff as I've just written above about us Ozzies being 'convicts' ;) Thought I'd fess up :) Posted by: Lynda Hill on September 29, 2006 11:54 PMLynda Hill, Beats the hell out me why they would censor the word 'hell'. Them preachermen love to use it and to describe in morbid, bloody, excruciating detail, especially to people they hope God will condemn to hell. There's more than a little sado/masochistic perversion in their glee. Maybe that's why they censor it. It's too titillating for them. Posted by: lunaoscura on September 30, 2006 12:35 AMHi Sally and Jo Yes, Philip Sedgwick is an amazing astrologer. His body of work and his dedication to his craft ensure that he will leave a lasting impression on astrology. What he's achieved is extraordinary, although I feel that many astrologers aren't aware of it. He's one of the most wonderful people I know. Posted by: Lynda Hill on September 30, 2006 12:56 AM
I used to think that Al Gore was ‘just another American politician’ in the same way that Bliar is just another spin merchant. But the documentary I referred to yesterday has put him right at the top of my American hero list. Those idiots who have dissed him because of his political past are environmental escapists. In a weird way, I’m glad he was cheated out of the presidency. Not only has GW made the Republicans unelectable for the next twenty years (as it looks like Bliar has done to the Labour party in the UK), but if Gore had been President, he’d not have been able to do such a wonderful job as he has. The Sun opposite Neptune in his chart could be construed as escapist and fantasist. But it can also be seen as empathic, intuitive, caring and sensitive to nature. Can we swap him for Bliar please?
Whoooo-hooo! This just keeps growin' and growin' (and I'm linking you to Thread III): Cap'n Sally! Cap'n Sally! Momentum is a-building. Do you think our Constitution was dealt a serious blow, but will recover? It is glaringly apparent that this Congress is not going to stop George Bush, I'm not even sure the Democrats will stop him. If there is another election stolen from the people this year you can count on the Constitution as we know it,to be destroyed. Whatever the Bush agenda is (and I don't think we really know just speculation but it's not good) he will get all that his handlers have intended for him to get out of America and he has money and power behind him. Jay Rockefeller's yes vote for torture convinced me that the powers behind George Bush have not backed away from their plans. I don't know for sure if the Dems actually want to take congress back, I'm not sure they want to stop him, they have pulled back at every opportunity they've been given. I don't know why, is it blackmail, money, promise of greater power, a belief in their own elite roots vs the masses, it could be any or all of these things. I know two psychics independent of each other, one is a seer to the royal family as was her mother and grandmother and she is over 70, and both of them have said to me that the doors of Congress would close and when opened the original copy of the Constitution would be presented. I didn't believe that when I first heard it but now I can see events leading us to that very event. Neither of them know when this event would take place. But I do know that slowly every single right that has been given to the people over the last 200 plus years is being revoked and only when we have a need to demand our rights will we see they have been revoked. It's a really good time to do all the work a person can to get in touch with their spiritual roots and use them, learn how to use our energy to manifest because we can and that will keep us out of the fray. Posted by: Sally on September 30, 2006 07:28 AM
Hits since October 2003 - 38220960 Also called the Reformation Act There is, RIGHT NOW, a law on the books that when announced IMMEDIATELY Improves YOUR LIFE! NESARA initiates PEACE IMMEDIATELY and
You can take action to get NESARA announced and implemented See the Action Plan! I've been reading of NESARA for a couple of years, WV. But, those in power have done everything in their power to negate this plan. "Everyday" Americans have most likely never heard of it. At least the ones I talk with. Maybe we can get it out there. Posted by: Patricia on September 30, 2006 12:20 PMGood find wv! "In the 1980’s some of the farmers investigated why there were so many bank foreclosures on their farms and discovered certain banks were fraudulently foreclosing on their farms. When these farmers turned to government officials for assistance and filed lawsuits against these banks, they learned certain government officials and judges were working in collusion with the banks. The farmers also learned that certain aspects of the current Federal Reserve banking system were unconstitutional and pursued their lawsuits through the Federal District Court in Denver and other locations. Once the reformations were developed, the Court made half-hearted efforts to implement the reformations through an "Accords" agreement process with the Clinton administration. During that time, very little progress was made to implement the reformations. However quantities of the new US Treasury currency backed by gold were printed and shipped to certain banks in the US where the currency has sat in bank vaults for years awaiting the announcement of the reformations. When NESARA is announced, many more shipments of the new Treasury currency will be shipped to all banks in the US under guard by US military units. " http://www.nesara.us/pages/history.html ( interesting this happened on Clinton's watch.......his mentor being JFK, who may have been murdered for trying to correct this very situation!) And who would know better than Clinton the juggernaut that we are all up against! Hey Astro Family! It's good to be back and in the fellowship of SEERS -- a large comfort given the events. Let's hope we do not meet in some gulag --a distinct possibility given our opinions. Before i get to another thought, i'd like to share that i'm a grandmother (first time). I was present at the birth of a big baby boy. Awe-ing, and awesome. Lynda -- i believe many of us Usaians are also offspring of convicts. Hey, those Puritans needed whipping "boys" in order to jusutify their ill-gotten gains. :) Geez, for that matter they still do. One of the things i've come to wonder about this non-legislation designed to seal the fate of the constitution is that it will allow the government to legitimately steal more private resources. For example, i'm found guilty of harboring militants (friends come to visit who are openly anti-Bush AND are of Middle Eastern descent). As a result of my sentence, they confiscate my property. I know the above is sinister, but is there anything about this administration that isn't? karen Posted by: karen on September 30, 2006 02:27 PMWe would be fools if we deny the most sinister possibilities can happen. The days of saying 'that could never happen here' are over. No one has mentioned it for a while, but remember the 'detention centers' that Halliburton was building. That's sinister. Posted by: lunaoscura on September 30, 2006 03:00 PMI remember you posting that before, Sally. I see things heading that way too, eventually. Although one never really knows when and where Uranus is involved, astrologically, I don't imagine that this watershed event would come to pass before the final hit of the Uranus-Pluto Square and the Pluto-natal US Sun Opposition in 2015-2016. That very powerful energy will be dispersing in 2016-2017 and thereafter, and that will be time to begin to "pick up the pieces" and rebuild. Still, nothing in the future is yet set in stone, until it actually comes to pass. Sally is right that there are still many ways that we can influence events and circumstances. As much as we can see certain trends and likelihoods now, there will most certainly be surprises that we, or the powers that be, could never predict. Who is to say that some sudden, unpredicted event won't occur that completely derails and demolishes the so-called "New World Order" before it even gets out of the gate? An energy cut-off or economic collapse will render even the most powerful corporation as useless as an appliance in a power outage. On the more optimistic side, however, a massive public awakening and focused uprising could quickly put an end to Halliburton, and even Big Oil itself if the people so chose to do it. I've often predicted along with other astrologers, and "future-seekers" that the years 2012-2016 will be the most intense and chaotic since the 1960s, and then some, bringing about a massive demolition of old structures and entrenched forces and elites. I think the general feeling a lot of people take away from this is "bloody revolution" or much, much worse. Google "Peak Oil" for instance, and you'll find volumes on nightmare Malthusian prophecies on the verge of supposedly coming to pass. I'm not a pessimist, however, and I personally don't think the events of the next decade are going to be the end of us, or humanity. Not by a long shot. People are starting to pick up on the Pluto in Capricorn vibe, which might explain those pessimistic tendances in part, but Uranus in Aries will also be here soon enough. With it, will come a brand new drive to the future, a better future, the seeds of which are already being planted. We can water them in positive, optimistic preparation for this time, and soon they will sprout and grow. Posted by: NEOBuckeye on September 30, 2006 05:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKRZv6NGjdc Posted by: wv on September 30, 2006 06:04 PMTwo thoughts occur to me: 1) that if the doors of Congress are to be closed, it would hopefully be a non-violent occurence and brought about through some mass illegal collusion on the part of many - bigger than the Abrams thing, and bigger than the Plame thing. It could be a voter fraud conspiracy. Whatever it is, it would have to be big enough to not hide or sweep under the carpet. Another possibility would be a military coup which wouldn't necessarily go to the streets. A psychic counselor I work with told me she saw the Bush Administration resigning in shame and that it would be a big deal. I think she associated it with voter fraud (I've mentioned it here before). I agree with you, Sally. What is this surpression about? Who is controlling it? The whole voter fraud thing should have legs by now. 2) I think it was wv who posted the reaction of certain marines to Bush's desire to take away certain rights as well as torture. One said it succintly - he said that if someone has information that could save many lives, he thought we should do whatever it takes to get it out of him. I am not saying that this works -- I am just saying that this is a major reason why some people support the right to "torture," particularly when contrasted with what goes on in other countries. Other countries do what they have to do to keep order and on the surface, in some cases, it seems to work. I don't know if they torture in Hong Kong to any extent, but remember the famous case about the American boy who was "caned" for possession a small quantity of drugs, I think it was? Has anyone posted this letter that was submitted to the Judiciary Committee on 9/26/06 by employees of the CIA, FBI, State Dept., and certain retired military? Posted by: Sharon on September 30, 2006 06:43 PMTwo thoughts occur to me: 1) that if the doors of Congress are to be closed, it would hopefully be a non-violent occurence and brought about through some mass illegal collusion on the part of many - bigger than the Abrams thing, and bigger than the Plame thing. It could be a voter fraud conspiracy. Whatever it is, it would have to be big enough to not hide or sweep under the carpet. Another possibility would be a military coup which wouldn't necessarily go to the streets. A psychic counselor I work with told me she saw the Bush Administration resigning in shame and that it would be a big deal. I think she associated it with voter fraud (I've mentioned it here before). I agree with you, Sally. What is this surpression about? Who is controlling it? The whole voter fraud thing should have legs by now. 2) I think it was wv who posted the reaction of certain marines to Bush's desire to take away certain rights as well as torture. One said it succintly - he said that if someone has information that could save many lives, he thought we should do whatever it takes to get it out of him. I am not saying that this works -- I am just saying that this is a major reason why some people support the right to "torture," particularly when contrasted with what goes on in other countries. Other countries do what they have to do to keep order and on the surface, in some cases, it seems to work. I don't know if they torture in Hong Kong to any extent, but remember the famous case about the American boy who was "caned" for possession a small quantity of drugs, I think it was? Has anyone posted this letter that was submitted to the Judiciary Committee on 9/26/06 by employees of the CIA, FBI, State Dept., and certain retired military? Posted by: Sharon on September 30, 2006 06:43 PMSorry about the darn double post - I should have checked. Posted by: Sharon on September 30, 2006 06:44 PMHere's the "special NESARA edition" from the www.matthewbooks.com website. It's not a Matthew communication per se. I just read the latest entry. I don't know how much credence to put into any of this, but something about it feels right. http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=61&z=2 Posted by: Sharon on September 30, 2006 07:31 PMKaren, this is wonderful news. A Boy? What's his name? It's exciting to be a grandmother, really exciting. Congratulations. Well put Neo. If you look at just this planet and the energies surrounding it you can see that there have been periods in recorded history giving rise to great good, followed by great evil. We think of ourselves as psychologically and socially advanced from our collective ancestors but we are not as evidenced by the looting, plundering, torture and war that has plagued man from the beginning of recorded time with small periods of unsettled peace. The US was started from a dream born out of fear and dispair, people came to this country for the same reasons. They brought servants to care for the elite, finding that not to be enough they imported slaves and used what Native Indians they could use. The group of forefathers we revered and often quote, themselves repressed a group of humanity (slaves) to bring their dream into being, "all men are created equal" but they didn't believe that statement or believed it to only be white men created equal, or believed it in theory but not practice. I don't think this will be the "end of humanity" and I do think something will shift this thinking. The T-square between Jupiter/Saturn/Neptune (the first since the 5th Century tells us "we weren't as safe as we thought nor did we have what we thought" These aspects are a constant awakening to reality. Not a government or a country but to the reality of the world. These aspects don't just affect us, they are universal, everyone is dealing with them and trying to survive. For some in this country (the 25 percent that resonate to authoritarian rule, finds nothing wrong with fascism or totalitarian rule, they are in fact more comfortable with that than freedom of thought or movement, so that's the energy with which we are now dealing and because it's so out of control and over the top, it makes me think we aren't too far (a few years) from it changing. Kind of like getting "real sick before you get better." Totalitarian rule has been imposed on this country with our treatment of blacks, native American indians, Chinese in the 1800's, Japanese during WWII, now it's our turn to endure that treatment and we are shocked and screaming "get us out of here." I so agree that there are changes and surprises coming that no one can anticipate and those will change everything over-night in a blink of an eye. Some people will be happy about the changes and some will not, but it will change and be played out. The worst thing we can do is give up the dream of true freedom, value and respect for all. We must keep that alive for ourselves, our children and our grandchildren. We have to think what value and respect for everyone might mean or what that might look like. What is your dream for yourself and others? What does that look like, what would it look like? Keep thinking about it and refining it from all aspects. Maybe it only looks like peace, and what are we willing to do or give up for peace. I think about my personal lack of involvement while African/Americans were being profiled, denied a piece of the American dream, beaten, hung, unfairly incarcerated, extending that to Native American Indians. Have I done anything to demand "equality" or respect or value for people, no I have not, not as much as I should or could. Whatever my dream is for myself and my family I need to incorporate that into a dream for all and help where I can for us to achieve. So get as clear as possible on your dream and do little or big things to keep it alive. Jupiter and Neptune gives us that chance. Posted by: Sally on September 30, 2006 08:11 PMOMG watch the video that WV put up under his "a break" You simply cannot watch this without knowing the impossible is absolutely possible. Posted by: Sally on September 30, 2006 08:20 PMFoley: 9/8/1954, Newton Massachusetts Posted by: Carol on September 30, 2006 08:26 PMMost interesting e-mail from Claudia Dikinis (with permission): "Foley was born on September 8, 1954 in Newton, Massachusetts. The Lunar eclipse of September 7, 2006 (his Sun is 15 Virgo!) and the Solar one of September 23, 2006 conjoined his Juno of "political marriage" signaling the end. 29 Virgo is opposite the fixed star Scheat at 29 Pisces. Scheat is the star that signals a poisoning of the well; a "death" by pollution; poison; a death by self-destruction. Foley was subsequently exposed publically in the last 72 or so hours at the time of a transiting Sagittarius Moon. The Sagittarius Moon transit was the first one to square the September eclipses. It was the Moon's waxing square to the 29 degree Virgo eclipse (29 is anoretic/death degree) that revealed the vile corruption of Foley's pedophilia. Foley's natal Mercury is at 0 Libra, an aries or solsticial point and signals in the autumnal equinox, certainly a pivotal point. Cardinality initiates and does so quickly, and hours after the 9/23 Eclipse, the transiting Sun conjoined Foley's Mercury and moved quickly to square (challenge) his natal Mars in Capricorn (his Saturn ruled Mars -- older man and young boys). Further, Foley's North Node (fated point), Moon (no exact degree known due to lack of a birth time) and his Chiron (the giving and receiving of unhealable wounds) are in the "older man" sign of Capricorn. His Saturn is in secretive Scorpio conjunct "I attract" Venus. Both planets are ruled by aggressive Mars (traditional ruler) and obsessive Pluto (modern ruler). Transit Moon went from 29 Sagittarius (Jupiter of extremes ruler) to 0 Capricorn at 6:01 pm, Washington, D.C. time on Friday, September 29. (There's that 29 again!). By the close of business on Friday, Mark Foley's career was finished. It bears mentioning that Foley's Uranus in Cancer opposes the USA's power-play Pluto in the sign of old man Capricorn. His Uranus of "I'm a law unto myself" squares his Neptune (I'm blinded by my own light) in the relationship sign of Libra. Uranus, in the homey sign of Cancer might bespeak a challenge (Uranus) to socially sanctioned "civilized" human relations vs. self-delusion (Neptune). Foley was deluded and believed he would get away with it. Uranus-Neptune are two outer planets squaring off and signaling that behavior has gotten badly out of one's control. Man-boy sex certainly qualifies as a situation gone badly wrong. -- Claudia Dikinis/Starcats" Posted by: anonanon on September 30, 2006 11:37 PM b Revolt of the Generals A revolt is brewing among our retired Army/Marine generals. This rebellion--quiet & nonconfrontational, but remarkable nonetheless--comes not because their beloved forces are bearing the brunt of ground combat in Iraq but because the retirees see the US adventure in Mesopotamia as another Vietnam-like, strategically failed war, & they blame the errant, arrogant civilian leadership at the Pentagon. ...
Theoretically we're entering a New Age of consciousness that guar- antees liberation for all — no discord, tension-filled duality, negativity, scarcity or fear — but rather an unprecedented joyous arrival where everyone lives happily ever after in a unified global family of love. That's a pretty wacky fairy tale to swallow in these darkened days on planet earth. In spite of efforts to avoid ominous images from TV news, I can literally feel the unbearable suffering around the globe — nightmares of war, starvation, disease, political corruption, environmental contamination, financial ruin. Instead of some foolish New Age sugarcoated prophecy of collective awakening, I'm bracing myself for diminishing chances of survival in this ever-engulfing planetary hell as I disdain the preposterous notion that Heaven on Earth is our destiny. The Tibetan encourages us to be optimistic. Give me one good reason why we should count on everything turning out all right! Are we supposed to believe that angels are going to wave their magic wands and transport us all to la la land? My optimism muscles are severely strained when I brace myself for occasional glimpses at newspapers — frightened to face our tidal wave of woes. How can we assume that things happen for the best when we're sinking into a pit of destruction? Is optimism simply food for denial fed to pathetic Pollyanna's who refuse to see the enormous shadow blanketing our light? Or, is optimism a state of consciousness to be cultivated precisely at this dangerous juncture in history when we must blend our thoughts into a unified expectation of transformation? http://www.wisdom-magazine.com/article_view.do?articleId=500 I can't thank you enough for that wonderful link wv!! I was laughing and clapping and totally forgot the troubles for a little while. Thank you again. Posted by: clymela on October 1, 2006 01:53 AMI can't thank you enough for that wonderful link wv!! I was laughing and clapping and totally forgot the troubles for a little while. Thank you again. Posted by: clymela on October 1, 2006 01:54 AMCorporatism comes in all kinds of disguises. Be Aware. Be Very Aware. * [bushaDruggie]'s men snarled like wild animals While US forces were [dying &] battling in Baghdad, another war was being waged inside the West Wing. In "State of Denial," Bob Woodward describes a WH riven by rivalries where [rezacrazy]'s closest advisers were at one another's throats - nearly literally in one instance - over how to wage war in Iraq. There were "surreal" meetings where [Offense] Sec [rummy] & former Sec of State [Unca Tom] Colin Powell refused to look at each other while making their presentations to a fidgety [rezajerk], Woodward writes. Powell/Rumsfeld were like "bulls" who "staked out their ground, almost snorting defiantly, hoofs pawing the table, daring a challenge that never came," Woodward wrote. "And [rez], whose legs often jiggled under the table, did not force a discussion." Rumsfeld comes under harsh criticism in Woodward's autopsy of [rezabrat regime]'s war cabinet. The [offense] sec made some powerful enemies, incl 1st Lady Laura Bush, who lobbied to have him fired because she believed his overbearing manner was damaging her husband's [rezidency]. [rummy-runt] also infuriated another powerful woman - then-natl security adviser C Rice - by not returning her phone calls. So she complained to the boss. bush advised Rice to be "playful" with the stubborn [rummy] in an effort to get along. And he cajoled rumsfeld, telling him: "I know you won't talk to Condi. But you got to talk to her." ... http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/457062p-384625c.html Posted by: JoannaOregon on October 1, 2006 07:32 AM
Blinded by Hindsight Published: October 1, 2006 This spectacle was set off by a partisan rewriting of history billed as a television docudrama and shown on the anniversary of the attack. Mr. Clinton, justifiably, denounced the untruths about his administration’s record. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/01/opinion/01clarke.html Posted by: wv on October 1, 2006 03:26 PM
You Call This Breaking News? IF your head hurts from listening to the Washington furor over the latest National Intelligence Estimate, by all means tune it out. The entire debate is meaningless except as a damning election-year indicator of just how madly our leaders are fiddling while Iraq burns. The supposedly shocking key finding in the N.I.E. — that the Iraq war is a boon to terrorism — isn’t remotely news. It first turned up in a classified C.I.A. report leaked to the press in June 2005. It’s also long been visible to the naked eye. The latest New York Times/CBS News poll, conducted before any revelations from the N.I.E., found that nearly half the country believes that the Iraq war is increasing the terrorist threat against America and only 12 percent thinks the war is decreasing that threat. Americans don’t have to pore over leaked intelligence documents to learn this. They just have to turn on the television. Tonight on “60 Minutes,” Bob Woodward will spill another supposedly shocking intelligence finding revealed in his new book: a secret government prediction that the insurgency will grow worse next year. Who’d have thunk it? Given that the insurgency is growing worse every day right now — last week suicide bombings hit a record high in Baghdad — the real surprise would be if the government predicted an armistice. A poll released last week by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland found that about 6 in 10 Iraqis approved of attacks on American forces. Tardy investigative reporting is hardly needed to figure out that the insurgency is thriving. http://select.nytimes.com/2006/10/01/opinion/01rich.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print Posted by: wv on October 1, 2006 03:30 PMFrom TIME Magazine Sunday, Oct. 1, 2006 By MIKE ALLEN AND JAMES CARNEY The polls keep suggesting that Republicans could be in for a historic drubbing. And their usual advantage—competence on national security—is constantly being challenged by new revelations about bungling in Iraq. But top Republican officials maintain an eerie, Zen-like calm. They insist that the prospects for their congressional candidates in November's midterms have never been as bad as advertised and are getting better by the day. Those are party operatives and political savants whose job it is to anticipate trouble. But much of the time they seem so placid, you wonder whether they know something. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/printout/0,8816,1541237,00.html Posted by: wv on October 1, 2006 03:38 PM
Paul Harris Observer.co.uk The taming of the wilderness is central to the mythology of modern America: of putting a human stamp on a wild, chaotic land. When you look down from an airplane, especially in the vastness of the Midwest, you see it in the tidy squares marked on the landscape, marching uniformly away to each horizon, each one the stamp of a small farm or homestead. Welcome to the wild and wacky world of gerrymandering: the redrawing of voting districts to guarantee a specific result. Not surprisingly this can seem a fairly arcane science. It would be a huge mistake to think so. http://observer.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329587370-111336,00.html Posted by: wv on October 1, 2006 04:06 PMGood links/articles WV--and re that Time article, the Rethugs also own Diebold stock too, probably. I mean, c'mon, lets make a list of what GOP'ers REALLY stand for: rampant cronyism, corruption, pedophilia, torture, theocracy---I mean, seriously, what's it going to take? Bushie eating a live baby on national tv? Disgust isn't a strong enough word to describe how I feel right now..... Posted by: Garry on October 1, 2006 05:08 PMThe fact is, the pollsters make sure to tell us how all the election races are neck to neck which is a lie. Just take Lamont and Allen and Lieberman. Two of them have been discredited. One is a racist pig and the other has been voted out of the race by his own constituents, yet they're still polling equally to Lamont? Yeah sure! Why do people keep asking the same stupid questions? Could it be that they do it to continue the sham, pretending not to see the obvious giant GOP elephant in the room! Posted by: lunaoscura on October 1, 2006 05:08 PMno luna, it's so that when the election is pulled it will seem plausible. Posted by: on October 1, 2006 06:00 PMI was talking about the authors of the article asking questions that we already know the answer to. I agree with your assessment completely. Anyone with any political curiosity would have made the connection years ago. It's another example of the media playing the public for fools, pretending to ask the hard hitting questions when they're just babbling to keep their jobs. Why are we better informed than they are? Because they play to the gullible. Posted by: lunaoscura on October 1, 2006 06:12 PMI think it was Neobuckeye who suggested to google "peak oil". Depressing. Then Raven, Go to www.matthewbooks.com and check on the NESARA entry (if you haven't already seen this). I find the Matthew material very hopeful and well put. Posted by: Sharon on October 1, 2006 07:59 PMThanks. I did. I followed your link. I've seen the matthew articles on the lightnews site. I tend to have my doubts on channeling but stay open to the possibilities of it. I also read the article wv posted about optimism and pessimism.
Air Force Colonel Sam Gardiner (ret.) says U.S. forces will assassinate Iran's leadership. A Must Watch Interview Retired Air Force Colonel Sam Gardiner on the probability of air strikes on Iran and the likely consequences. Click here to view. Real video and windows media. http://informationclearinghouse.info/article15170.htm Posted by: wv on October 1, 2006 09:45 PM
By Maxim Kniazkov in Washington STUNG by criticism, US President George W. Bush has called for fighting America's enemies "across the world" as he stepped up his counter-offensive following charges that his policies were breeding a new generation of Islamic terrorists. http://informationclearinghouse.info/article15175.htm === A special report by Robert Fisk Wissam talks slowly but without tears as he describes what happened next. "I lost sight of Myrna. I just couldn't see her any more for the dust flying around. Then the helicopter came back and started firing its guns at the children, at any of them who moved. I ran away behind a tel [a small hill] and lay there and pretended to be dead because I knew the pilot would kill me if I moved. Some of the children were in bits." http://informationclearinghouse.info/article15165.htm === The Bush Administration and Darfur By David Morse Appeasement driven by oil is surely as reprehensible as any. When confronted with reality, this President is clearly reluctant to confront the genuine "Islamo-terrorists" of his nightmares. http://informationclearinghouse.info/article15172.htm === By Mike Whitney Next week, President Bush will sign the "Military Commissions Act of 2006" into law. - The law will allow Bush to imprison anyone he chooses and abuse them as he sees fit. It places Bush above the law, our first American monarch.
Juan Cole is President of the Global Americana Institute
Craig Murray on Manufacturing Terror The Bush administration has been about "the Greater Middle East" (including Central Asia). It has been about basing rights in those areas. It says it is fighting a "war on terror" that is unlike past wars and may go on for decades. It has been about rounding up and torturing large numbers of Iraqis, Afghans and others. This region has most of the world's proven oil and gas reserves. Why is the Bush administration so attached to torturing people that it would pressure a supine Congress into raping the US constitution by explicitly permitting some torture techniques and abolishing habeas corpus for certain categories of prisoners? (See David Corn's "This is What Waterboarding looks like.".) http://www.juancole.com/2006/10/craig-murray-on-manufacturing-terror.html
"Don't Ask, Don't Tell" Endangers us All by Gene C. Gerard Last month the Bush administration announced that Marine Corps Individual Ready Reservists are being recalled to duty. This is due to a shortage of soldiers who are willing to serve additional tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. There are similar shortages in the Army and the National Guard. Yet the Armed Forces saw an 11 percent increase last year in the number of soldiers who were discharged simply because they were gay. Perhaps never since the inception of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" has there been a more glaring reason to abandon this misguided military policy. According to newly released Pentagon figures a total of 742 service members were discharged last year for being gay. That's an increase over the 668 soldiers discharged under the policy in 2004. Since 1993, when the policy was implemented, approximately 11,000 military personnel have been discharged for being gay. There's little doubt that this has served only to weaken our Armed Forces, and endanger our national security interests. http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_gene_c___061001__22don_t_ask_2c_don_t_te.htm Posted by: wv on October 1, 2006 09:56 PMhttp://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/30/opinion/30harris.html?pagewanted=print Pirates of the Mediterranean IN the autumn of 68 B.C. the world’s only military superpower was dealt a profound psychological blow by a daring terrorist attack on its very heart. Rome’s port at Ostia was set on fire, the consular war fleet destroyed, and two prominent senators, together with their bodyguards and staff, kidnapped. The incident, dramatic though it was, has not attracted much attention from modern historians. But history is mutable. An event that was merely a footnote five years ago has now, in our post-9/11 world, assumed a fresh and ominous significance. For in the panicky aftermath of the attack, the Roman people made decisions that set them on the path to the destruction of their Constitution, their democracy and their liberty. One cannot help wondering if history is repeating itself. Consider the parallels. The perpetrators of this spectacular assault were not in the pay of any foreign power: no nation would have dared to attack Rome so provocatively. They were, rather, the disaffected of the earth: “The ruined men of all nations,” in the words of the great 19th-century German historian Theodor Mommsen, “a piratical state with a peculiar esprit de corps.” Like Al Qaeda, these pirates were loosely organized, but able to spread a disproportionate amount of fear among citizens who had believed themselves immune from attack. To quote Mommsen again: “The Latin husbandman, the traveler on the Appian highway, the genteel bathing visitor at the terrestrial paradise of Baiae were no longer secure of their property or their life for a single moment.” What was to be done? Over the preceding centuries, the Constitution of ancient Rome had developed an intricate series of checks and balances intended to prevent the concentration of power in the hands of a single individual. The consulship, elected annually, was jointly held by two men. Military commands were of limited duration and subject to regular renewal. Ordinary citizens were accustomed to a remarkable degree of liberty: the cry of “Civis Romanus sum” — “I am a Roman citizen” — was a guarantee of safety throughout the world. But such was the panic that ensued after Ostia that the people were willing to compromise these rights. The greatest soldier in Rome, the 38-year-old Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus (better known to posterity as Pompey the Great) arranged for a lieutenant of his, the tribune Aulus Gabinius, to rise in the Roman Forum and propose an astonishing new law. More... Posted by: Pat C on October 1, 2006 09:58 PM
by Dave Lindorff (with apologies to Stephen Smith)
My native country, thee, Let music swell the breeze, Our Founders now to thee,
http://www.thiscantbehappening.net Dave Lindorff, a columnist for Counterpunch, is author of several recent books ("This Can't Be Happening! Resisting the Disintegration of American Democracy" and "Killing Time: An Investigation into the Death Penalty Case of Mumia Abu-Jamal"). His latest book, coauthored with Barbara Olshanshky, is "The Case for Impeachment: The Legal Argument for Removing President George W. Bush from Office (St. Martin's Press, May 2006). His writing is available at http://www.thiscantbehappening.net Posted by: wv on October 1, 2006 09:59 PM
Sidney Blumenthal must be chuckling today. As a member of the Clinton Administration who lived through Whitewater and the sex-scandal-that-wasn't, it must be more than a bit amusing (and Sidney is known for nothing if not wicked wit) to watch the GOP in full operational meltdown over the leadership's acknowledged coverup of Mark Foley's predatory sexual behavior. What comes around goes around as they say, but God rarely bothers to work himself up to this grand level of irony. While others such as Bob Woodward have only recently and reluctantly come around to the notion that access to failure and disgrace are certainly not worth the cost of one's book sales and that the legacy of the Bush Administration should be viewed with appropriate skepticism, Sidney Blumethal has been doing that grunt work for years. Often referred to as "the first blogger" as much for style and tone as well as his lacerating insights, this collection of essays that begin just after the Iraq invasion and on the eve of the 2004 Presidential campaign seem extraordinarily prescient in the current political climate. Those who cannot at this point acknowledge the truth when he calls George W. Bush "the most willfully radical president in American history" simply aren't paying attention. Posted by: wv on October 2, 2006 12:28 AMWell well, Jack A apparently had more contact with KKKArl and Ken M than previously reported---but not to worry, the White House has launched an "ethics" investigation(rolling eyes and laughing): http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15081799/site/newsweek/ Posted by: Garry on October 2, 2006 01:51 AMNew site: "The Network of Spiritual Progressives" http://www.spiritualprogressives.org/ Posted by: JoannaOregon on October 2, 2006 03:33 AMWith each new scandal, each new revelation of corruption and lies, with each new sickening stain heaped upon this country, I am becoming more and more like the insane Lady MacBeth wandering around saying "out, out damn spot." I heard a talk show host trying to spin the Foley thing as comparison to Clinton and Lewinsky. Have we gone absolutely nuts in this country? Why aren't at least 90 percent of us up in arms? Posted by: Sally on October 2, 2006 06:44 AMRaven, please don't despair. The best is yet to come. "They" only win if you give into fear. Although actually I wouldn't call it a win for them, because they themselves are very afraid. Hope, of course, is the extremely potent antidote to fear. We know that there are much better things in the works and much better things to come to pass, and that we will indeed make it out of the darkness to the light at the end of the tunnel. Why else do "they" resort to dusting off Monica's dirty blue dress? It's all about passing the blame off to someone else so that "they" don't have to take responsibility for it, and all of the nastiness they have started and spread all over the planet. It's just easier if we can all close our eyes and imagine that we are all sitting in the America of mom, apple pie and the good ol' boys as depicted in those seemingly timeless 1950s Norman Rockwell paintings. That silly fantasy is in the process of dying a very painful death right now. Again, a much better, and dare I say more realistic and inclusive world awaits us, and we will all play a part in building it. One of my favorite quotes comes from Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. Captain Kirk states it in a very profound way near the very end of the movie that basically sums up everything. I don't know if any of you are Trek fans. Even if you aren't, you can watch this particular movie without being too familiar with any of the other movies or the shows. I highly recommend it. This particular story seems more relevant now than ever... "People can be very frightened of change." Posted by: NEOBuckeye on October 2, 2006 07:31 AMSally And "I don't know for sure if the Dems actually want to take congress back," Now that sounds kinda depressing even to someone like myself halfway around the world. Like a lot of people, I often wonder why the Dems have not been more assertive. However there does appear to be, just like the Labour Party in the UK a lot of in-house battling. I believe the content of the following link explains a lot about in the Dems internal battles. For instance Wayne Madsen points out in his latest post, that, the Capitol Police didn't take control over Foley's computers until Sunday! In any case they ,like the officials in charge of the House, are all political appointees, put in place by the Party in charge! Oh ho! Now Foley is blaming it on his alcholism. His idea to wipe out the dirty deed is to check into rehab! Checking into rehab is what your LAWYER advises you to do in anticipation of plea-bargaining when the matter inevitably goes to court. Posted by: bbuster on October 2, 2006 01:30 PMOhwell... good that foley ck'd into rehab instead of the nearest fundie group as did bushaholic. My bet is that foley won't "do" recovery any more than did bushadruggie, but he has a better chance to do so. There's limbaugh, who refused to get clean n' sober. I think they have ever so much trouble getting the idea of Clean... n' sober. That Clean part drives 'em even crazier for it takes honesty n' humility. They ain't gonna have no truck with THEM qualities. Posted by: JoannaOregon on October 2, 2006 03:17 PMI certainly never imagined, while in civics class as a child, that the "govt" would be run by druggies, drunkies & pedophiles... nope! never even crossed my mind. Posted by: JoannaOregon on October 2, 2006 03:21 PMSilly me. ;O) Posted by: JoannaOregon on October 2, 2006 03:29 PMAt least you HAD a civics class when you were a child. The only group that the figure of Jesus in the four gospels railed against were the hypocrites & liars... they were THE big item on his railing. Everybody else was treated with overt compassion incl murderers. Jesus was getting at the heart of the narcissistic insular fantesy world of the ego which works hard at leaving no opening for the Great Self/Reality. It's going to be king-bo n' ruler or else! ...everything's gonna be made dead. Well, we'll see... best laid plans & all... Posted by: JoannaOregon on October 2, 2006 03:45 PMWe had two semesters of civics in middle school as part of history education. The history bit, of course, was dubious since it was put together by the pink supremacist conquerers... those who "won." Still, it was probably better than nothin'... mebbe. One of the text books was "The Red something or other" by Hoover. You know... a commie behind every bush & piece of bedroom furniture. Scared us to blithers. TaHA!! Posted by: JoannaOregon on October 2, 2006 03:58 PMTop-flight colleges fail civics, study says U.S. is recruiting misfits for army After falling short of its goals last year, military recruiting in 2006 has been marked by upbeat pronouncements from Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, claims of success by the White House, and a spate of recent press reports touting the military's achievement of its woman- and manpower goals. ...clip It is no joke that GHWB #41 was called the American Caligula by the authors of his unauthorized bio....and GWB is Nero....as Rome fell, will the US? It still seems highly probably given these circumstances (not that I am choosing to go that route, I'm not, and I am sure none of us want that). And another article the other day mentioned that it is healthier to be negative and depressed and get it out in the open (kind of the anti-Rummy) than it is to be cheerful and hopeful (like ratsass Rummmy)....mostly because it then grounds you in your current reality and allows you to make changes based in reality. That is something I have always believed, I guess because I have Saturn conjunct the sun. I hear you Luna and Raven...and Sally. Posted by: judigem on October 2, 2006 04:16 PMmore from the military recruitment article: Another type of gang member has also begun to proliferate within the military, evidently thanks to lowered recruitment standards and an increasing tendency of recruiters to look the other way. In July, a study by the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks racist and right-wing militia groups, found that because of pressing manpower concerns, "large numbers of neo-Nazis and skinhead extremists" are now serving in the military. "Recruiters are knowingly allowing neo-Nazis and white supremacists to join the armed forces, and commanders don't remove them from the military even after we positively identify them as extremists or gang members," said Scott Barfield, a Defense Department investigator quoted in the report. The New York Times noted that the neo-Nazi magazine Resistance is actually recruiting for the U.S. military, urging "skinheads to join the Army and insist on being assigned to light infantry units." As the magazine explained, "The coming race war and the ethnic cleansing to follow will be very much an infantryman's war. ... It will be house-to-house ... until your town or city is cleared and the alien races are driven into the countryside where they can be hunted down and 'cleansed.' " Posted by: judigem on October 2, 2006 04:19 PMSally, the new publisher of the SF Chronicle is from Denver....he has turned the paper around, for sure.... Neo...turf wars in Congress...gee, who would have thought? But when you see pro life, NRA types running as Dems, then you will have turf wars. But lets face it....this country is very splintered over everything...perhaps this is the result of our "me" generation....I wonder where or when the 'we' generation will show up? Posted by: judigem on October 2, 2006 04:22 PMhttp://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/15627858.htm U.S. soldiers’ overseas votes ripe for fraud Just weeks before the November election, the Pentagon is struggling to fix Yet experts in computer security and election technology say the Pentagon’s During the next six weeks, thousands of service members are expected to fax ``I can’t for the life of me figure out how the Defense Department decided Critics of the Pentagon’s system identified what they described as other Soldiers are not warned about risks to their personal information and
Listen to Segment || Download Show mp3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\0HYVKXIN\Democracy Now! A Swashbuckling Spectacle of Corruption - Bill Moyers Goes Deep Inside Abramoff Lobbying Scandal in New Doc.htm Posted by: wv on October 2, 2006 05:39 PMWhy? http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/02/amish.shooting.ap/index.html Posted by: Teresa on October 2, 2006 05:40 PMhttp://www.democracynow.org/hardball-060731.shtml On MSNBC's 10th anniversary Hardball broadcast, Amy Goodman slams network for firing Phil Donahue for his antiwar views. Posted by: Pat C on October 2, 2006 05:41 PM* Congressman Foley Overreacts to Liberal Media Smear! THE ANGRY LIBERAL I’ve thought over the predicament that former FL Rep Mark Foley finds himself in & I can’t help but wonder if he wasn’t a bit hasty with his resignation, which was based on a cheap liberal smear. I mean, what did he do that his constituents would find so terrible? Don’t get me wrong, congressman. Decent Americans who read the ABC News expose on your little email hobby, which incl exchanging sexually explicit messages with underage boys, are pretty sure you’re a scumbag. But decent Americans didn’t really support you to begin with, did we? So why on earth would the [The Torture] Republicans in congress or your dist have a problem with what we know about you so far? Let’s examine what the ABC News piece alleges & why these allegations should prove irrelevant to Republicans throughout America. ... http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/theangryliberal/001 Posted by: JoannaOregon on October 2, 2006 07:12 PMwow...rawstory.com headline:
It was and is a brilliant analysis. But the political strategy Mr. Frank described may have less staying power than he feared. In fact, the right-wing coalition that has spent 40 years climbing to its current position of political dominance may be cracking up. At its core, the political axis that currently controls Congress and the White House is an alliance between the preachers and the plutocrats — between the religious right, which hates gays, abortion and the theory of evolution, and the economic right, which hates Social Security, Medicare and taxes on rich people. Surrounding this core is a large periphery of politicians and lobbyists who joined the movement not out of conviction, but to share in the spoils. Together, these groups formed a seemingly invincible political coalition, in which the religious right supplied the passion and the economic right supplied the money. The coalition has, however, always been more vulnerable than it seemed, because it was an alliance based not on shared goals, but on each group’s belief that it could use the other to get what it wants. Bring that belief into question, and the whole thing falls apart. Future historians may date the beginning of the right-wing crackup to the days immediately following the 2004 election, when President Bush tried to convert a victory won by portraying John Kerry as weak on defense into a mandate for Social Security privatization. The attempted bait-and-switch failed in the face of overwhelming public opposition. If anything, the Bush plan was even less popular in deep-red states like Montana than in states that voted for Mr. Kerry. And the religious and cultural right, which boasted of having supplied the Bush campaign with its “shock troops” and expected a right-wing cultural agenda in return — starting with a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage — was dismayed when the administration put its energy into attacking the welfare state instead. James Dobson, the founder and chairman of Focus on the Family, accused Republicans of “just ignoring those that put them in office.” It will be interesting, by the way, to see how Dr. Dobson, who declared of Bill Clinton that “no man has ever done more to debase the presidency,” responds to the Foley scandal. Does the failure of Republican leaders to do anything about a sexual predator in their midst outrage him as much as a Democratic president’s consensual affair? In any case, just as the religious right was feeling betrayed by Mr. Bush’s focus on the goals of the economic right, the economic right suddenly seemed to become aware of the nature of its political allies. “Where in the hell did this Terri Schiavo thing come from?” asked Dick Armey, the former House majority leader, in an interview with Ryan Sager, the author of “The Elephant in the Room: Evangelicals, Libertarians and the Battle to Control the Republican Party.” The answer, he said, was “blatant pandering to James Dobson.” He went on, “Dobson and his gang of thugs are real nasty bullies.” Some Republicans are switching parties. James Webb, who may pull off a macaca-fueled upset against Senator George Allen of Virginia, was secretary of the Navy under Ronald Reagan. Charles Barkley, a former N.B.A. star who used to be mentioned as a possible future Republican candidate, recently declared, “I was a Republican until they lost their minds.” So the right-wing coalition is showing signs of coming apart. It seems that we’re not in Kansas anymore. In fact, Kansas itself doesn’t seem to be in Kansas anymore. Kathleen Sebelius, the state’s Democratic governor, has achieved a sky-high favorability rating by focusing on good governance rather than culture wars, and her party believes it will win big this year. And nine former Kansas Republicans, including Mark Parkinson, the former state G.O.P. chairman, are now running for state office as Democrats. Why did Mr. Parkinson change parties? Because he “got tired of the theological debate over whether Charles Darwin was right.”
A real october surprise would be someone proving that the election of 2000 and 2004 were stolen...and hving the proof be irrefutible. The paper yesterday had computer drawn plans showing the bunker buster bombs being flown by stealth bombers into Iran....that's Turd Blossom's real Oct. Surprise.... Posted by: judigem on October 2, 2006 07:59 PM
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/moyersonamerica/ Posted by: wv on October 2, 2006 09:17 PM
Brent Budowsky -- Republican Leaders Must Reconvene Congress, Give Sworn Testimony, Or Resign Over Page Scandal By BuzzFlash A BUZZFLASH GUEST CONTRIBUTION The full House Page Board should have been immediately and fully notified that a senior Republican was involved in a scandal that might endanger the safety of Congressional pages. The Page Board should then have immediately and fully opened an investigation to protect the safety of all pages and sent to the Justice Department and FBI any evidence of criminal conduct. This cannot wait. This cannot be treated as yet another abuse of the one party Republican Congress. http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/node/675/print Posted by: wv on October 2, 2006 09:43 PMRove's October suprise, yup we're already in IRAN, doh! Bush don't need no stinkin permission from Congress. Those Naughty naughty boyz...tsk tsk as Tony Snow would say, nothing wrong with a lil boy toy. Blue Wave in November! Even the rightwing bible thumpin Christians should gag on this one... Pages are republican play things. Posted by: Morgana on October 2, 2006 09:55 PMNope NO CHANGE! While we have been focusing on Foley the torture bill is going forward and buried in the bill is a provision that anyone who breaches their allegiance to George Bush can be declared and enemy combatant and that includes journalists and all left leaning blogs. http://www.informationliberation.com/index.php?id=16337 Posted by: Sally on October 2, 2006 11:26 PMMorgana said: "Pages are republican play things." In more ways than one... they'd be from The Torture Pary families... bet Dem kids don't get invited to be no stinkin' pages by Big Daddy in the Sky. ;O) Indeed Sally! http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/printer_100206A.shtml Fatal Vision: The Deeper Evil Behind the Detainee Bill Monday 02 October 2006 There is no week nor day nor hour when tyranny may not enter upon this country - if the people lose their confidence in themselves - and lose their roughness and spirit of defiance. It was a dark hour indeed on Thursday when the United States Senate voted to end the constitutional republic and transform the country into a "Leader-State," giving the president and his agents the power to capture, torture and imprison forever anyone - American citizens included - whom they arbitrarily decide is an "enemy combatant." This also includes those who merely give "terrorism" some kind of "support," defined so vaguely that many experts say it could encompass legal advice, innocent gifts to charities or even political opposition to US government policy within its draconian strictures. All of this is bad enough - a sickening and cowardly surrender of liberty not seen in a major Western democracy since the Enabling Act passed by the German Reichstag in March 1933. But it is by no means the full extent of our degradation. In reality, the darkness is deeper, and more foul, than most people imagine. For in addition to the dictatorial powers of seizure and torment given by Congress on Thursday to George W. Bush - powers he had already seized and exercised for five years anyway, even without this fig leaf of sham legality - there is a far more sinister imperial right that Bush has claimed - and used - openly, without any demur or debate from Congress at all: ordering the "extrajudicial killing" of anyone on earth that he and his deputies decide - arbitrarily, without charges, court hearing, formal evidence, or appeal - is an "enemy combatant." That's right; from the earliest days of the Terror War - September 17, 2001, to be exact - Bush has claimed the peremptory power of life and death over the entire world. If he says you're an enemy of America, you are. If he wants to imprison you and torture you, he can. And if he decides you should die, he'll kill you. This is not hyperbole, liberal paranoia, or "conspiracy theory": it's simply a fact, reported by the mainstream media, attested by senior administration figures, recorded in official government documents - and boasted about by the president himself, in front of Congress and a national television audience. More.... Posted by: Pat C on October 3, 2006 01:12 AMWell... actually, no it can't... not legally. It may do many things illegally, with its enablers square behind it, but it's not constitutionally legal. The Constitution still exists, has for well over 200 yrs, & will continue to exist. There has been no Constitutional admendment of which I'm aware... you guys know of any? No. So eventually, sooner or later, the criminal govt will fall or it won't... but it'll never be legal or Constitutional. Posted by: JoannaOregon on October 3, 2006 03:04 AMI was in large Barnes & Noble store the other day. Right up front on two tables were books & books on the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, other govt books. I'm thinking that this information is pretty popular right now; & it's great that folks are taking an extra-special interest. Posted by: JoannaOregon on October 3, 2006 03:08 AMHmmmm...it will be interesting, trying to put 3/4 of the country in prison as terrorists because we think !@#$%^& is a scumsucking criminal ass wipe. It is like the Inquisition has returned. But remember what happened to 'Savaranola eventually...he, too, was burned at the stake. Posted by: judigem on October 3, 2006 03:38 AMgot an email from Mother Jones: Check for the air time on your local PBS affiliate.
Sally, look at that clearinghouse material again. It doesnt say allegiance to President Bush; it says allegiance to the United States: Subsection 4(b) (26) of section 950v. of HR 6166 - Crimes triable by military commissions - includes the following definition. "Any person subject to this chapter who, in breach of an allegiance or duty to the United States, knowingly and intentionally aids an enemy of the United States, or one of the co-belligerents of the enemy, shall be punished as a military commission under this chapter may direct." There is a huge difference between owing allegiance to the US (we affirm that everytime we say the pledge of allegiance) and any allegiance a citizen would be required to give an individual. Thank you MW for Babaji's birthday... :) Here is his prayer for peace:
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