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I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT PIGS


When asked about the very serious question about the seriousness of Israel’s bombing of Beirut, the “leader” of the free world responded by saying “I thought you would want to talk about the pig.” A reference to a “pig roast” he was attending later in Germany. Morgana suggested he was making a hidden reference to “Jesus” driving the “swine” over the cliff. I think it was his way of sending a smart mouth message that he wasn’t going to discuss Israel’s sending in a bull dozer to crush an ant, the ant being the increasingly childish and stupid Hezbollah. Even the Arab League is split over Hezbollah’s actions http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-arableague16jul16,0,1570901.story?coll=la-home-headlines.

While Europe is split over the actions of Israel, particularly since there are an estimated 25,000 innocent tourists trapped in the Middle East version of the “Hatfield’s and McCoy” feud; or the Capulets and the Montegues; or the Northern Irish and the English. Fights that were so old that they simply became a way of life for people decade after decade and no one questioned them anymore.

If the Tourists have enough money they can now buy their way out of Lebanon or the rest of the Middle East.

This article isn’t about who is right and who is wrong, in this kind of fight that debate is so well documented and re-documented absolutely nothing could possibly be added to the debate other than proof positive that the people of both sides have been duped into fighting wars that in no way shape or form benefits them, their families, their lives, or anyone around them.

The only opinion I have regarding the Middle East is “I don’t care who started it all or where it started” I don’t seem to have a spokesperson or leader for my side, the side spelling PEACE, because the entire world is in the crosshairs of total destruction of these ongoing wars and no one wants to waste their time with a moribund political system. Weapons of Mass Destruction seemingly have been placed in frighteningly immature hands, all over the world so now we have “blow em up” video games in real time.

I am going to address a few of the issues in the charts of Israel, Lebanon, Syria, and Iran. Because of the ostensible sensitivity and polarities regarding this subject, it will be a strictly astrological article and my perspective on their charts. I am not going to address all the issues because of space constraints, and time, some of what I write is a synthesis of aspects as opposed to writing them all down.

I am not going to address Palestine because it is not a sovereign country; it is divided among Israel, Lebanon, Syria and Egypt. No matter how many suicide bombers and rocks they throw, Palestine is not allowed to work, eat, live, or even walk without permission from someone. They are a completely occupied territory, and they basically have no rights, so I fully expect them to line up with those who throw rocks and bombs at Israel, they figure they are more likely to get rights from those people or get something.

If there is a reader on this blog who is part of the polarity and still tied to a position of “I’m right and they’re wrong” and you want to debate your position please take it off line and communicate directly with the person you are debating. If you have ideas or read ideas for peace, or groups of any nationality working for peace please share. This is not a time to put anymore hatred of race, nationalities, gender differences or color out into the world. The times are more perilous than we can even imagine. We have to try to get past hateful judgment, we just have to try.

ISRAEL (May 14, 1948, 4:32pm Tel Aviv, Israel)

Israel is a Taurus country whose Sun is at 23 degrees Taurus in a square to Mars in Leo, they can be demanding and pugnacious. Sun square Mars, like Sun conjunct Mars can be someone who is their own worst enemy, flying off the handle at the slightest provocation. Their Mercury and Uranus is in Gemini pointing to scholars of all types and as a country a repository of diverse opinions, as well as a repository of diverse symbols from the past or from the dead (Mercury and Uranus in the 8th house with Mercury in a trine to Neptune in the 12th) Their country is home to the holiest of sites for Muslim’s, Jews and Christians. The Dome of the Rock, (Muslim’s holiest of sites is build on top of Israel’s Temple on the Mount.)

“Extremist groups such as the Temple Mount and Eretz Yisrael Faithful Movement with to relocate the Dome to Mecca and replace it with a Third Temple. Since Muslims consider the ground under the Dome to be sacred this would be a highly contentious move. The majority of Israelis also do not share the movement's wishes. Most religious Jews feel that the Temple should only be rebuilt in the messianic era, and it is their belief that it would be presumptuous of people to force God's hand. However, some Christians would consider this a prequisite to Armageddon and the Second Coming..” Wikipedia.

This covers just a little of what Israel is responsible for in their country, they are the keeper or the center of all the religions of Abraham’s Sons. Mars and Jupiter trine in their chart with Jupiter in the 2nd house and Mars in the 10th, a Mars and Jupiter aspect is associated with great wealth, and they sure get their money for the best of weapons someplace. The US might be their largest contributor but we aren’t the only contributor to their prosperity.

Saturn, Neptune, Jupiter, and Mars all squaring, opposing or conjunct Israel’s multiple Leo planets and the Sun plus their North Node and by connection their South Node, this is not going to go well for Israel and Israel is different than their government, all countries represent the people and perhaps what the people have allowed, but governments are different and come and go. This strike into Lebanon, on to Syria and Iran is not going to turn out well for Israel. All the above planets have Israel in particular in the cross hairs. Their Saturn, NN and SN line up, along with Neptune, to the disastrous fixed grand cross eclipse of August 11th, 1999 that kicked off this Century. That grand cross eclipse was not only rare but said to have been the same eclipse when Mohammed was born.

“REVELATIONS (4:6-8) ….and round about the throne were four beasts full of eyes before and behind….the first beast was a lion; second beast a calf; third beast had a face as a man and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle….. and they rest not day and night saying holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was and is to come.”
The Grand Fixed Cross Eclipse of 1999 was Leo (the Lion) Taurus (the calf) Aquarius (the man) and Scorpio (the flying eagle)These four living creatures stand for all that is noble, strong, wise and swift in nature. Each of them has the pre-eminence in his particular world. So the beasts represent all the greatest and the strength and the beauty of nature.

Using Scorpio’s intensity, power, and need for transformation.
Using Taurus’ will to build things one step at a time, one brick at a time.
Using Leo’s courage to open up our heart centers.
Using Aquarius’ ability to create the next level of experience.

We do not change without crisis and we are moving into crisis, the Middle East is already there.

LEBANON (Nov 22, 1943, Beirut)
Lebanon is not a hot head country, more seething anger that erupts in little spurts. They too have Saturn just having crossed their Pluto, making them believe they have more power than they do and Pluto is squaring their Moon. Heavy damage will be inflicted on them in the coming months. They don’t quite have the money of Israel, but they have money. As a country they are smart and able to think strategically with brilliant precision, however they are hasty in their actions in carrying their plans out. Jupiter in Leo, squares their Sun in Scorpio, they so believe in their absolute right as children of Abraham. No wonder their so called “freedom fighters” gave themselves the name of Hezabollah, it means “little God.” Their flag is something else; it’s a huge bazooka type gun mounted on some kind of swivel thing and pointed over what looks like a world – nice. Typical of the hubris one finds with a Jupiter/Sun square, our President has the same aspect. Mars is getting ready to conjunct their Jupiter at 28 degrees Leo and square their Sun at 29 Scorpio. You will find Jordon or Hezabollah gathering all their forces together to make a dramatic strike at Israel.

Everyone is going to be slamming everyone else over there, if Syria (Jan. 1, 1944 Damascus, 12:00pm) isn’t in it yet they will be within the week. There will absolutely be angry words coming from that quarter as Mars goes over their Mercury in Virgo. However, Syria doesn’t want war, not yet, but war will be thrust upon them later this year and into the next year.

IRAN (Feb. 1, 1979, Teheran, Iran 9:00am)
Iran is the target of this mess. They are already saying Iran is supplying Hezabolla, maybe yes but more likely no, not at this point, however they soon will. Their Moon is in the Warrior sign of Aries, and the ruler of that sign, Mars, has just been opposed by Saturn as has their Sun (frustrated action suddenly released) Their Sun and Mars conjunct (another sign of being one’s own worst enemy.) Retrograde Pluto just went back over their Venus and will be coming back to conjunct that Venus. By spring Uranus will be conjunct their South Node indicating an unexpected loss for their country. The collective conscious of Iran indicates they might be as pugnacious and anxious for a “fight” as Israel. Both Israel and Iran’s progressed charts indicate the timing of conflict is very near, anytime between now and six months from now. I am going to say it’s sooner rather than later.

The one thing missing from this picture is the country where it all ends. These countries have all the signs in the right degrees to set off the Grand Fixed Eclipse of 1999 except Scorpio. Scorpio is the transformer of the situation and that piece is missing, including Egypt or Jordon. Fixed stars, asteroids, quasars can be found but that really isn’t the piece to the puzzle. It has to be a strong planet coming from a country and not a progressed planet, a planet that stands strong in Scorpio to be the country that ends this danger and transforms the situation. I am continuing my research into a country and/or a leader who will lead the world away from the brink of disaster.

I can’t help but be struck by the disparate but two very distinct worlds, almost as if we are being given a clear choice. There are the scientists, Al Gore’s and Robert Redford’s out there all trying to get their arms around the planet and how to save it. People devoted to technological solutions and alternative fuels. There are those of us who are looking into solar panels, growing organic food, downsizing their lives, getting in touch with each other and families; others using their creativity to inform and educate all of us at to what is happening and possible solutions. There are religious leaders standing up trying to put God back into the place of a loving compassionate God, standing against the war, letting their congregation know that there is nothing in the New Testament that says anything about abortion, sexual preference, or flag burning. There are Corporations trying to be earth friendly, trying to find solutions to health care, even Wal-Mart hired Al Gore to speak to their employees about conservation. This is the world where decent people are trying to live good lives, have a job, provide for their families. There are organizations trying to solve the problems of world hunger and poverty, aids, health care.

This is the world that I see as moving forward, being progressive, tackling the problems created by the world behind us. Then there is the other world, where they are bombing and killing and blaming and destroying, playing out Mad Max and the Thunderdome in the Middle East and seem lost in a daze of insanity and greed.

I’ve wondered if the world energetically split apart on 9/11 and are the progressives following the fall out or have we moved ahead of the fall out? Will it be “Mad Max” who catches us or will the healers and light workers be able to absorb and neutralize them?

Pluto is still on the Galactic Center, and US Progressed Mars is still going retrograde on July 22 – I’m counting on all the light workers pulling the best of us forward, best part is anyone can sign up to be a light worker and a healer, you can do it from the comfort of your own home.

Sally Cheyne McDonald on Jul 16 | Link
Comments

I'm just blown away by this one, Cap'n Sally. Speechless. You have outdone yourself now.
Whew!

Posted by: shylurker on July 16, 2006 06:33 AM

For gentle hearts in terrible times:
http://media.putfile.com/Peace-26

Posted by: shylurker on July 16, 2006 07:06 AM

Shylurker, that video was so awesome. It just makes a person't heart sing and so much hope. Thank you very much, I am on my way to bed and I feel so happy. Gonna watch that last thing at night and 1st thing in the morning.

Posted by: Sally on July 16, 2006 07:21 AM

Yessum.

Posted by: shylurker on July 16, 2006 07:28 AM

I think an interesting thot about the effects of pluto in capricorn might be whether or not the govt in question is legitimate or illegitimate... such as the USian's.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 16, 2006 08:12 AM

What I have a hard time understanding is why would this administration or the last several administrations deliberately bankrupt this country. Right now it seems to be on an acclerated program. This has been my concern for a long time and certainly my concern for the immediate future. Where is the money going, are we pouring it into China (and that goes to your question Joanna, "is this government or any present day government legitimate?" and where is the money?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2006/07/14/cnusa14.xml&menuId=242&sSheet=/money/2006/07/14/ixcity.html

Posted by: Sally on July 16, 2006 01:02 PM

"I thought you would want to taLK ABOUT THE PIG."
After 165 years of listening to this kind of NON-communication, I divorced my husband! It makes my back teeth ache that we can't get rid of this callous, immature child!
Solution to the Social Security problem; move the some 3 Billion aid to Isreal to the SS fund!
I'll be medditating tomopprrow AM!
PQ

Posted by: on July 16, 2006 01:51 PM

Sally said:

"What I have a hard time understanding is why would this administration or the last several administrations deliberately bankrupt this country. Right now it seems to be on an acclerated program. This has been my concern for a long time and certainly my concern for the immediate future. Where is the money going, are we pouring it into China (and that goes to your question Joanna, "is this government or any present day government legitimate?" and where is the money?"

This exactly where my intuitive thinking remains focused. My thought is it is a move to install global corporate rule. Middle class independence is just so troublesome to that sort of structure. I could go on....

Posted by: Pat C on July 16, 2006 02:39 PM

* Under [bushadruggie], America Is Up For Sale: Roads & bridges built by US taxpayers are starting to be sold off, & so far foreign-owned companies are doing the buying. ... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060715/ap_on_re_us/highways_for_sale;_ylt=AruQKOc349veI5Twkzb8kEms0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MjBwMWtkBHNlYwM3MTg

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 16, 2006 02:45 PM

Yes Joanna, this is an atrocity started under Reagan. I try to avoid fear, but sometimes it catches up with me.

Posted by: Pat C on July 16, 2006 02:49 PM

Bankrupt the country? How about this?
(From The New York Post online/AP)


July 16, 2006 -- Talk about outsourcing!
U.S. roads and bridges have been put on the market, and so far it's been foreign companies doing the buying.

Just last month, an Australian-Spanish partnership leased an Indiana toll road and an Australian company leased a Virginia parkway. And Texas officials are allowing a Spanish-American partnership to build and run a toll road for 50 years.

In New York, there has been talk of privatizing the Long Island Expressway and the Tappan Zee Bridge, but the state needs to change its laws first.

And in New Jersey, lawmakers are considering selling parts of the Garden State Parkway and the New Jersey Turnpike to private investors.


Etc.........

Posted by: Dawn on July 16, 2006 02:57 PM

Is it fear Pat C or discouragement you feel? Fear can be so immobilizing while discouragement keeps pushing us along even if it seems hopeless. It seems to me that you keep pushing along

Posted by: Sally on July 16, 2006 03:00 PM

I do Sally, and I will.

Posted by: Pat C on July 16, 2006 03:01 PM

Absolutely stupendous article Sally. You are brilliant. Things are getting pretty scary, and you're so right that the "split" between the "worlds" is seemingly almost complete. I can't even imagine how this is going to end up, but as far as the economy going bankrupt, it's all part of the plan: #16) To cause a total collapse of the world's economies and engender total political chaos.

http://www.whale.to/b/coleman1.html

Posted by: Peg on July 16, 2006 03:15 PM

Dawn, Chicago already sold it's toll-way system to the Chinese.

Posted by: Peg on July 16, 2006 03:17 PM

Oh my gosh yes Peg, I keep forgetting about that crackpot Moonie and his church and his plan. He has a ton of money and if god is mammon Moonie is surely his son. I simply keep forgetting to put him in the equation and he absolutely is there.

Posted by: Sally on July 16, 2006 03:19 PM

Moon is Sally, and American Senators and Congressmen have worshipped at his feet. He is a good friend of the Bush family.

Posted by: Pat C on July 16, 2006 03:36 PM

Sally,

Have you looked at Turkey? Turkey has Venus conjunct Jupiter at 18 and 24 Scorpio, respectively. And it has Neptune at 20 Leo.

Posted by: Beasley on July 16, 2006 03:45 PM

i'm happy to see your article Sally, and the comments here. No surpise at where we are, so many of us have been watching things unfold with wide open eyes.
Pat, im thinking that the start of this cycle of selling-out America, began before Reagan. The "otherside" the side the founding fathers were oppossing got it's foothold with Wilson. Sally you are better historian than me, but that is when i first notice the unravelling. FDR and JFK had a clue, i think even Clinton was aware and tried to play events like a game of Go.

It is my opinion that we do not fight these folk and win, small groups have been trying them since the Imperial Cult began before Christ.

The messages from all the enlilghtened ones who travelled on this planet were codified into religion (a guideline)for the followers, perhaps originally they were attemts to provide tools of personal liberation. Christianity and Islam both spiritual vehicles of peace have been corruted by the "other" side...not evil just a power struggle for a kind of world that has us serve them. I cast my eyes toward Buddhism another teaching of peace in this era and see that forsaking material takes away a tool of manipulation.

Pluto in the galactic center offers opportunity to see what has been hidden and make choices that affect us at the soul level. The tools of the "other" are dependencies.

The power of one cannot be overstated. As groups we are vulnerable. As seeds flung to the far corners we become a stimulus, examples, passion iinstead of seduction, to the 90% whose sacred role is to follow.

Posted by: tseka on July 16, 2006 03:52 PM

Wasn't the original impetus for the interstate highway system one of national security, i.e., viable transport routes for sundry emergency/military supply systems?

Posted by: Dawn on July 16, 2006 03:56 PM

So true and so wise tseka.

I'm short on words today. I have found that I've been feeling that way for a while now.

Posted by: Pat C on July 16, 2006 03:57 PM

Dawn, yes.

Posted by: Pat C on July 16, 2006 03:57 PM

http://www.earthrainbownetwork.com/Archives2006/PerfectStorm7.htm

The Perfect Storm Series #7: Getting a Grip on the Truth and Acting Decisively

Posted by: Pat C on July 16, 2006 04:00 PM

Faith and Reason - Bill Moyers

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/

Posted by: Pat C on July 16, 2006 04:28 PM

Thank you all for letting me know that we are lighting the grid next year and for the reminder that living high values and maintaining prayer is effective right now even if we are not all together at the same moment in prayer.
When the first bush president sent the war planes to carpet bomb iraq he kept talking about "the new world order" and I asked my mother who raised me to be progressive and always encouraged love in my heart,"what does he mean new world order? He keeps using that term. I know he means something but I don't know what."" My mother, weighed down with age and grief, could only say "I don't know honey. I don't know"
So thank you Sally for this moving and stunning article and to all of you who have contributed your "dishes" to this smorgasbord of information.
I guess getting up early every morning to pray and invite in the angels is not too arduous a task and will only help us get in shape for the lighting of the grid.

Posted by: on July 16, 2006 04:40 PM

The Constitution of America -the great experimet- was yet another codification of tools for liberation. Not Church. Within it were all kinds of warnings if we care to notice about allowing "big government" control all the things not specifically stated in the constitution were left to the States. We the people were so clueless.

Returning to the fundamentals has been a libertarian view for some time. Perhpas a progressive libertarian will rise from the ranks and surprise us all. Thought it was Howard Dean -actually he came pretty close. Are we wiser now? You bet. i do not think we even know the power of netroots yet, a wild card. My sag sun in the galactic center remains ever optimistic. The lesson of nep opp saturn seems to me to be playing out - we can take our high ideals and get serious. or be broken with disillusionment.

Posted by: tseka on July 16, 2006 04:43 PM

Didn't mean to post as nothing. I was trying to unlight my name.

Posted by: clymela on July 16, 2006 04:43 PM

Clymela, hej we like to see your name here! all it takes to remove your name as a hotlink (which i guess you mean by "unlight" you name??) is to only type in your name and leave the other boxes blank. no email nor url. I hope this is what you meant.

Posted by: tseka on July 16, 2006 04:53 PM

Oh and click remember info with just your name.

Posted by: tseka on July 16, 2006 04:55 PM

Thank you very much tseka! I had thought that the email address was required. And yes "unlight my name" was my untutored description of what I had noticed. Thanks again.

Posted by: clymela on July 16, 2006 05:42 PM

I MEAN I WAS MARRIED FOR 16 YEARS, NOT 165!!!!! IT JUST FELT THAT WAY!
Sally,
It's such a comfort to come here. I am in a rather "non-verbal" phase, too busy to form words..........
I have passed on the fire the grid to few of my friends!
PQ

Posted by: on July 16, 2006 06:33 PM

I noticed some destructive passivity in myself that has really been a teacher. In my little private life we have had a problem with recycling in that our system has been destroyed by people using the marked bins as regular trash bins therefore rendering them useless for recycling. I started leaving my valuable cans and glasses in a seperate box for the trash pickers to get but dumping the rest in the trash feeling resentful of my neighbors who aren't playing by the rules. A light went on-I could make my own recycling boxes and drop them off at the grocery stores all around town that have recycling centers on their property. Just a personal example of how easy it is to fall into passivity the kind that is so dangerous that tseka pointed out ( maybe in the previous posts) and where we can work right at home to bring in the light. thinking that my grandchildren will perhaps learn to act creatively rather than whine destructively.

Posted by: clymela on July 16, 2006 06:53 PM

This is a priceless rant -- and I wish I had the courage to *rant-on* in the same vein here -- there and everywhere.

R.I.P. America
by Edgar J. Steele

July 15, 2006

My name is Edgar J. Steele. This is a Nickel Rant.

I can't take it anymore.

Every morning, I sit at this keyboard and think this will be the day I rant about Israel's genocidal insanity and how George Bush splashes my hands with blood in furtherance of that derangement.

Then I feel a flush as my blood pressure starts moving up. I take one of those little pink pills the doctor prescribed. I walk around, swearing. I sit down. I get up. I mutter and stare at the ceiling.

I close my eyes tightly and try to push them back into my brain with my eyelids (old headache remedy).

I imagine little flecks of spittle collecting at the corners of my mouth.

This isn't writer's block. Sometimes, I wish I would get writer's block. That's when I picture myself blissfully settling into that chair on the back porch, drink in one hand and a good book in the other. No such luck. I feel more like a 4-inch hole in the fence through which about fifty cats simultaneously are trying to squeeze. Usually, they take turns. Not this time, though.

Have I finally lost it? I cannot begin to tell you how much I loathe and detest George W. Bush and virtually every single Administration figure you might think to name. And those morons in Congress, not to mention all those damnable lobbyists pushing Israel down their blood-sucking throats. And judges...and lawyers...and state officials...and local bureaucrats. Gahhhhhhh!!!

But especially Bush. Probably because he is the designated figurehead. His room-temperature IQ doesn't help, either.

Look at the following dialogue between Bush and Russian President Vladimir Putin at yesterday's G8 summit in Russia:

BUSH: I talked about my desire to promote institutional change in parts of the world, like Iraq, where there’s a free press and free religion. And I told him (Putin) that a lot of people in our country would hope that Russia will do the same thing. I fully understand, however, that there will be a Russian-style democracy.

PUTIN: We certainly would not want to have same kind of democracy as they have in Iraq, quite honestly.

BUSH: Just wait.

I can understand, appreciate and even applaud Putin's sentiment. But Bush said, "Just wait?" Just wait? What in the Hell is wrong with this moron? Just wait? For what? For America to bring democracy to Russia? For America to win in Iraq? Just wait? For what, you blithering idiot? Just wait for what?

Gahhhhhhhhhhh...I'll tell you what. Just wait until I get my hands around your scrawny little neck (that is literary hyperbole for you morons in the Secret Service), you ridiculous, pompous little buffoon. Just wait? You can't even beat up a bunch of ragtag ragheads living in Afghanistan caves and you dare posture to the one man who could wipe us off the face of the planet with a nod of his head? What in the living Hell is wrong with you?
to finish reading "therant"...
http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/rants/rip.htm

Posted by: Philomena on July 16, 2006 07:43 PM

Pictures to take your breath away. Do go see:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1648224

Posted by: shylurker on July 16, 2006 08:01 PM

oh my Shy! thanx makes me tingle! can you imagine the power of this????

Posted by: tseka on July 16, 2006 08:11 PM

Shy, those pictures, OMG, there must be millions down there. Incredible and so uplifting to believe it can happen. I wonder if Fox and Calderon are a bit taken aback, I would be in their position. They must be thinking "if that crowd became violent." That's why this government was so frightened by MLK.

Tseka, I agree, it was Wilson who finally caved. There was the 1886 court case between Santa Clara County and the Southern Pacific where corporations were given "personhood" with the same rights as citizens, but it was Wilson who finally caved in the dead of night to the bankers and the Federal Reserve was born, that came in his first term of office and in his second, WWI (surprise, surprise)

Posted by: Sally on July 16, 2006 08:25 PM

Wow wonderful pic of Lopez Obrador and Mexico standing up for real elections. We should be so emboldened. Seems Bushco may have been caught with his pants down again

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13881743/site/newsweek/

I'd say the cowpie is having a bad week.

So Gingrich (is he running again?) is calling this WWIII, he wishes. According to the Newsweek piece the UN is going to attempt to intervene. Sally, have you looked at the UN for your Scorpio lead ?

Posted by: Morgana on July 16, 2006 08:39 PM

Sally, both of the instances you cite can be reversed.

i know it has been posted before but it bears repeating that we can buy back the fed, see following post for that and more on the fed. reserve, and while much case law has been built up around interstate commerce and corporate rights the actual right to personhood was never challenged, nor a true legal decision. Both actions appear to be illegal under constitution.

JFK proposed to buy back fed and was assinated soon after....coincidence?

http://www.apfn.org/APFN/fed_reserve.htm
The U.S. Government can buy back the FED at any time for $450 million (per Congressional record). The U.S. Treasury could then collect all the profit on our money instead of the 300 original shareholders of the FED. The $4 trillion of U.S. debt could be exchanged dollar for dollar with U.S. non- interest bearing currency when the debt becomes due. There would be no inflation because there would be no additional currency in circulation. Personal income tax could be cut if we bought back the FED and therefore, the economy would expand.

Posted by: tseka on July 16, 2006 08:45 PM

This is what I have written under my name over on Salon.

"Money is not free speech, and corporations are not persons. Can we correct this atrocity? NAFTA + CAFTA = HAFTA relocate to work."

Posted by: Pat C on July 16, 2006 09:23 PM

WOW!! just looked at the pictures from Mexico-started praying anew. Yeah just a few votes off??
Tseka-I am uninformed about the Fed and the issues you brought up. Would really appreciate some references so that I could become better informed. Didn't know that Kennedy wanted to get us away from the Fed. Will look up the sites you posted.
Just looked at the news - guess I will be praying a lot now. My heart breaks for Lebanon and I fear for Syria.

Posted by: clymela on July 16, 2006 09:27 PM

Clymela, k here's one:
http://www.apfn.net/Doc-100_bankruptcy31.htm
Document 100.1.3.2.0 31 of 39........
"The high office of the President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the Americans freedom and before I leave office I must inform the
Citizen of his plight." PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY(10 days before he was
murdered)

On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order
11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve
Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at
interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the
privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business.

Posted by: tseka on July 16, 2006 09:48 PM

it must also be pointed out that a lot of people believe that this is pure conspiracly nonsense. There is a ton of stuff out there if you google around the only thing i am relatively is the congressional record that records our ablity to buy back teh 300 shareholders of teh fed

Posted by: tseka on July 16, 2006 09:54 PM

gads what typos. conspiracy, and i meant to say i am relatively confidenent in the congressional records...

Posted by: tseka on July 16, 2006 09:57 PM

jeez, i'm blaming it on smoke inhalation and it's 109 deg

Posted by: tseka on July 16, 2006 09:58 PM

(((((tseka)))))

Posted by: Pat C on July 16, 2006 10:08 PM

Wow, Stan Goff has not minced words or pulled any punches in his "The P-Word" explication at the Huffington Post.

And his analysis of Zionism and Jabotinsky's comparison of its invidious incursions with the displacement of Native Americans makes clear that racism must, unavoidably,courageously, be part of any honest and competent dialogue.


Posted by: Dawn on July 16, 2006 10:33 PM

Dawn, I posted this on the last thread, but I don't know how many people saw it. JMM, among other observations, sees clear parallels to the Native American experience with the round eyes.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/009052.php

Posted by: shylurker on July 16, 2006 10:38 PM

Concerning the present violence in the middle east, this writer expresses my sentiments exactly:

When retribution comes, don't cry for Israel

Raffique Shah


Sunday, July 16th 2006



HARDLY a voice is raised in protest. Not a tear is shed by those who would otherwise howl "bloody murder" when one Israeli is killed by a Palestinian. Those who wanted to crucify Iran's President Ahmadinejad for his statement that the state of Israel should not be allowed to exist are silent as the Zionist warmongers inflict terror and wanton destruction in the Gaza, on the West Bank, and now in sovereign Lebanon. But when retribution comes, as it must, we are sure to hear them scream from every which country about "those sub-human terrorists".

This has never been a just world, and I imagine it never will be. One American life has always been worth 1,000 or more of lesser mortals. In days of old, one British life had similar, disproportionate value: if African slaves so much as hurt one "massa", scores of their brethren would pay with their lives, but not before they were tortured in the most horrible manner. Today, what we are witnessing as Israel wields the Zionist hammer on its hapless neighbours is apartheid with full fury, military might that is always right, and a world, including Arab and Islamic countries, that will heartlessly turn their eyes in another direction, not to add, in the case of Muslims, their cheeks to be slapped and bludgeoned repeatedly.

For those who may not have noticed the carnage, ever since Ehud Olmert succeeded the ailing Ariel Sharon, and Hamas won the elections in Palestine, Israel has become ten times as murderous as it has ever been. To dwell a little on Hamas, bear in mind that it was George Bush who called for democracy across the world (as I write, he has gone off to visit Russia with the same message to President Putin).

When free elections were held in Palestine and Hamas defeated the PLO to take power, Israel immediately withheld huge sums of money it collects on behalf of the Palestinian government. As if that was not bad enough, it proceeded to bomb at will wherever it pleased in the tiny, impoverished state. Its air force killed an entire family that was picnicking on a beach off the Red Sea. It repeatedly murdered civilians across the Gaza and the West Bank under the guise that it was targeting "terrorists".

Lashing back the only way they know, some elements among the Palestinians burrowed under the border, attacked a military outpost, killed a few Israeli soldiers, and captured one. Well, as Trinis would say, who tell them to do that? Olmert immediately massed tanks on the border and started shelling "terrorist" targets in Palestine. His forces then invaded and besides killing an untold number of civilians, children included, proceeded to arrest half of Hamas's Cabinet. Israel arrogated unto itself the right to dismember another country's government. A parallel would- be Hugo Chavez sending his forces into Port of Spain and besides flattening most of the city, making off with Prime Minister Manning and half of his Cabinet.

To add jet fuel to a fire that is sure to engulf the entire Mid-East, this rogue state deployed its forces to isolate Lebanon, bomb the country's only airport, lay siege to its main harbour.

As I write, the carnage in Lebanon continues: scores of civilians, including entire families, are being murdered at will, and Olmert tells the visiting Japanese Prime Minister: "Those responsible for the attack (three Israeli soldiers captured thus far) will pay a high and painful price." The EU issues a feeble statement, criticising (not condemning) the "disproportionate use of force". Bush says: "Israel has a right to defend its territory against terrorists." The Arab world is silent. Even Iran stays quiet, although I suspect in the latter instance, this is deliberate.

Of course Israel, heavily funded by the US, has the most powerful military in the Mid-East, nuclear arsenal included. But its terrorist leaders (and I write with authority here) seem to have learnt little from their own history, their scriptures. Remember the story of David and Goliath?


Ahhhh! Even superpowers have to account to a higher authority for their unbridled cruelty to human beings. And not even their military might will save them when retribution strikes. They don't know from which direction it will come. They are looking at Iran and Ahmadinejad. But the biblical David did not have the might of Goliath: he did not need it. When his people were threatened by an inordinately stronger enemy, he took the giant out with a slingshot.

So while Bush and Olmert and all the warmongers look to Iran, they may well be surprised at the direction from which their demise comes, this Fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. History has shown that whenever power becomes a tool of repression, of absolute inhumanity, all-conquering empires implode. Israel-and America-may never learn from history, just as Rome didn't, or Hitler. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to being consumed by its lessons.

Posted by: Crystal on July 16, 2006 10:47 PM

Toda raba.

Posted by: Dawn on July 16, 2006 10:50 PM

Well thank you so much!! Just found out that my partner is very well informed. Asked him why we hadn't discussed this and he (my beloved Scorpio/Cap guy) said that he didn't think I was interested. Well I am off to the races now on this subject.
109 degrees? OMG! ((((tseka)))) but not too tight!
Someone reminded me that the upcoming pluto/uranus square will be a global event not just an american event. Putting together many different strands of information I am beginning to see how deep this could go. I am almost afraid to imagine what forms the hubris of the bankers/corpritists will take that will force such a challenge.

Posted by: clymela on July 16, 2006 10:51 PM

Toda raba to Shylurker.

Posted by: Dawn on July 16, 2006 10:52 PM

al lo davar to Dawn.

Posted by: shylurker on July 16, 2006 11:11 PM

something tangible to do,
Urgent: Medicine for Gaza


First the bread disappeared.
Now it’s the medicine.

Border crossings are closed.
Humanitarian aid has been cut.
Israel is withholding tax revenues.
Hospitals in Gaza are running out of medicine.
YOU CAN HELP no obligations, of course: http://www.mecaforpeace.org/

Posted by: Peg on July 16, 2006 11:40 PM

Dear friends,

do spend some time each day to sit, be silent and envision peace unfolding on Earth, this is a powerful tool, even if we doubt its effect..

Love to all

Posted by: flo c. on July 17, 2006 01:08 AM



w w w . h a a r e t z . c o m

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Last update - 11:30 16/07/2006
Operation Peace for the IDF
By Gideon Levy

Every neighborhood has one, a loudmouth bully who shouldn't be provoked into anger. He's insulted? He'll pull out a knife. Spat in the face? He'll draw a gun. Hit? He'll pull out a machine gun. Not that the bully's not right - someone did harm him. But the reaction, what a reaction! It's not that he's not feared, but nobody really appreciates him. The real appreciation is for the strong who don't immediately use their strength. Regrettably, the Israel Defense Forces once again looks like the neighborhood bully. A soldier was abducted in Gaza? All of Gaza will pay. Eight soldiers are killed and two abducted to Lebanon? All of Lebanon will pay. One and only one language is spoken by Israel, the language of force.

The war that the IDF has now declared on Lebanon and before it on Gaza, will never be considered another "war of no choice." Let's save that debate from the historians. This is unequivocally a war of choice. The IDF absorbed two painful blows, which were particularly humiliating, and in their wake went into a war that is all about restoring its lost dignity, which on our side is called "restoring deterrent capabilities." Neither in Lebanon nor certainly in Gaza, can anyone formulate the real goals of the war, so nobody knows for sure what will be considered victory or an achievement. Are we at war in Lebanon? With Hezbollah?

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=738739

Posted by: wv on July 17, 2006 01:23 AM


Why Can't Murdoch's US Media Report This? (26 comments)
READ MORE: News Corp, Rupert Murdoch, Fox News, Afghanistan, Saddam Hussein, Iraq
Rupert Murdoch's London Sunday Times prints a long piece by a reporter who's actually spent more time in Afghanistan than, say, Geraldo. Christina Lamb has been there for two decades, and her conclusions are dire: instead of Iraq becoming the new Afghanistan, Afghanistan is becoming the new Iraq, with IEDs and suicide bombs as the new weapons du jour. And remember the old accusation by the few anti-war Dems there were 'way back when that Iraq was distracting us from finishing the job in Afghanistan? Read Lamb for more than a nostalgic glow. Finally, read her about Pakistan training Taliban again, remember that AQ Khan sold nuclear weapons and plans to North Korea and Iran, and ask yourself: why was Pakistan our friend and Saddam's Iraq our enemy?

Posted by: wv on July 17, 2006 01:36 AM


This is the link to the above story...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2092-2261727_1,00.html

Posted by: wv on July 17, 2006 01:39 AM

Tseka, I was 20 years old in June 1963 and living in La Jolla with a very wealthy and well connected great aunt. Among her friends were the biggest bankers in the world, Rockefella, Vanderbilt, Rothchilds, etc. I remember them being livid over JFK's intent to buy back the Federal Reserve and I remember them having a party when he was killed. To say little known is an understatement, it was not in the press (if it was, it was on page 52) At the time I thought "if this is such a big deal how come the news doesn't say something?" Years later as I learned more about the Federal Reserve and the betrayal of the American People by Wilson when he allowed it to become law, I remembered the intense anger by these people and the overwhelming joy at his death. I also remember one gentleman saying "we couldn't stop FDR but by god we will stop this little upstart (JFK)" It was all an interesting experience.

Posted by: Sally on July 17, 2006 02:10 AM

Indeed Sally, what an experience! I've heard similar and even though there are many conspiracy stories floating around to choose from with JFK's death and perhaps more than one is true, this one sure has legs in my opinion. Follow the money they always say.

Do you find astrological signatures for this event (signing of executive order wonder if there is a time bet so.)or is it too difused among parties stretching back in our history as far as it does?

A random thought that maybe JFK's association with the Mafia -the other money racket was for related reasons

Posted by: tseka on July 17, 2006 04:10 AM

Well, Sally what a story and what a day. I wonder if this story will ever find an opening into the collective consciousness as part of our identity-not your personal story but the larger story of our loss, of trading a small amount of security for the huge wealth that could have been. And could we have come to accepting a higher bottom without the nefarious intent of those who came up with the idea of how to make off with the bulk of the fortune.
Yes I for one would love to see a date,time and place for the signing of the agreement to sell the treasurey to the Fed. Is this one facet of the pluto in capricorn in the secondin the Sibley chart? We could just do a chart for dawn or noon of that day.
I also thought of how the people were considered too dim to understand much as the people had judged the original people as savage,

Posted by: clymela on July 17, 2006 04:57 AM

I don't know the time and date of the signing and I sure don't remember the date of the party I went to, I went to a lot of parties that year and usually it was always the same people, with movie stars and politicians occasionally thrown into the mix. They sure didn't say they were going to kill him, but they sure hated him and were very celebratory over his death. It was nightmarish, the people were nightmarish for lots of other reasons, they were absolutely purposeless and boring beyond belief even the ones my age or thereabouts.

Posted by: Sally on July 17, 2006 05:19 AM

4 June 1963

Posted by: tseka on July 17, 2006 05:34 AM

Sounds all too typical of the earthy materialistic crowd, Sally; vapid and superficial with no true spirit or soul whatsoever. Just that attitude about gimme mine, and screw you if you think you can have yours; it's all mine, too. The bankers and the people who control everyone elses' purse strings can't have those common folk getting all uppity now. That would totally ruin their big, ongoing party of decadence.

Hopefully, the next decade with Pluto transiting Capricorn will greatly diminish their power. Abolishing corporate personhood and making the executives directly liable for their companies' (and banks) actions would be a great start.

Posted by: NEOBuckeye on July 17, 2006 06:18 AM

And I'll bet there wasn't a single non-anglo partier there except for the... um, help & servants... er, servers & amusers. ;O)

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 17, 2006 06:41 AM

Matthew has a new message... http://www.matthewbooks.com/mattsmessage.htm

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 17, 2006 06:44 AM

NEO, I heard GW say once, "not all poor people are killers" and that about sums up the attitude of the majority of those who are wealthy. It's very strange, certainly not everyone stepped out of the Great Gatsby but a huge percentage seem to have done so. It's the belief that they are priviledged and are owed whatever they want that's a hard one to understand.

Posted by: Sally on July 17, 2006 01:48 PM

From Joanna's link:

http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=59&z=2

snip

Now then, the unseen major factors I mentioned. I did touch upon some, but it is necessary to see all of these influences in context of the entire Mideast situation. That region has been a hotbed of violence almost continuously from the time when greed, competition and betrayal came with the first civilizations that arrived on the planet and settled there, thus karmic balancing has been in effect ever since. But even though the relentless negativity in the area started in antiquity, it is “fresh” karmic lessons that are being completed. A second factor is, the higher frequencies in which Earth is revolving are magnifying dominant characteristics in human nature, making the “good” stronger than ever and the same with the “bad,” as you could view these opposites. This has led to desperation in Zionist leaders who have been controlling not only Israel’s politics, but influencing major happenings globally; they are making obvious foolhardy decisions like “overkill” retaliation to an incident and continuing to suppress the Palestinian populace. Another factor is God’s honoring of Earth’s desire that no more multinational wars may shed blood on her body, and if need be, our space family will prevent this without the population at large becoming aware of their involvement. And last, what is happening throughout the Mideast—indeed, your world!—is that energy momentum, long ago set in motion, now is on an accelerated course to play itself out so the Golden Age can be ushered in.

More....

Posted by: Pat C on July 17, 2006 02:00 PM

Shuttle touchdown was at 9:14am, EDT, Florida.

Posted by: Pat C on July 17, 2006 02:18 PM

Bush caught on tape swearing about Syria
Microphone also picks up other comments — from Mideast to Diet Coke


Bush expressed his frustration with the United Nations and his disgust with the militant Islamic group and its backers in Syria as he talked to British Prime Minister Tony Blair during the closing lunch at the Group of Eight summit.

“See the irony is that what they need to do is get Syria to get Hezbollah to stop doing this s--- and it’s over,” Bush told Blair as he chewed on a buttered roll.
He told Blair he felt like telling U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, who visited the gathered leaders, to get on the phone with Syrian President Bashar Assad to “make something happen.” He suggested Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice might visit the region soon

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13901209/from/RS.1/

Has anyone thought about locking W in the basement?

Posted by: Roderick on July 17, 2006 02:26 PM

(heheheh) Roderick... "locking bushadruggie in the basement" would be too kind in most of our discussed solutions.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 17, 2006 02:43 PM

Well, it all sounds so staged to me. So Rovian. The thing that clinched it for me is that all the major networks covered it repeatedly this morning.

Posted by: Pat C on July 17, 2006 03:01 PM

* Williams Confronts Kristol: ‘You Just Want War, War, War, And You Want Us In More War’

This morning on Fox News Sun, [neoconman] Wm Kristol argued that the [rezakiller regime]’s “coddling” of Iran had “invited” the latest outbreak of violence, & that the US should join in the current fighting. [yea, verily... Iran was wearing too short a skirt or was outside her home after dark or was "begging for it" by some other method] Juan Williams pushed back:

You just want war, war, war, & you want us in more war. You wanted us in Iraq. Now you want us in Iran. Now you want us to get into the Middle East. … You’re saying, why doesn’t the US take this hard, unforgiving line? Well, the hard & unforgiving line has been, we don’t talk to anybody. We don’t talk to Hamas. We don’t talk to Hezbollah. We’re not going to talk to Iran. Where has it gotten us, Bill?

Kristol threw up his hands & didn’t answer. ... http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/16/kristol-williams/

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 17, 2006 03:03 PM

I thought the same thing Pat C, but it's only going to make matters worse.

Posted by: Roderick on July 17, 2006 03:18 PM

Everything they do seems to have that outcome Roderick.

Posted by: Pat C on July 17, 2006 03:24 PM

Bomb the world Michael Franti

Please tell me the reason
behind the colors that you fly
love just one nation
and the whole world we divide
you say you’re “sorry”
say, “there is no other choice”
but god bless the people them
who cannot raise their voice

(chorus)
we can chase down all our enemies
bring them to their knees
we can bomb the world to pieces
but we can’t bomb it into peace
whoa we may even find a solution
to hunger and disease
we can bomb the world to pieces
but we can’t bomb it into peace

violence brings one thing
more more of the same
military madness
the smell of flesh and burning pain
so I sing out to the masses
stand up if you’re still sane!
To all of us gone crazy
I sing this one refrain

(chorus)

and I sing power to the peaceful
love to the people y’all
power to the peaceful
love to the people y’all

Posted by: Cybear on July 17, 2006 03:40 PM

That should be "Bomb the World" by Michael Franti.

Posted by: Cybear on July 17, 2006 03:40 PM


An Interview with George Galloway, British politician...

http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/editorials/signs20060717_22RecognizetheCentralityofthePalestineQuestion22AnInterviewwithGeorgeGalloway.php

Posted by: wv on July 17, 2006 03:57 PM


A New Alliance Of Democrats Spreads Funding
But Some in Party Bristle At Secrecy and Liberal Tilt

By Jim VandeHei and Chris Cillizza
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, July 17, 2006; A01

An alliance of nearly a hundred of the nation's wealthiest donors is roiling Democratic political circles, directing more than $50 million in the past nine months to liberal think tanks and advocacy groups in what organizers say is the first installment of a long-term campaign to compete more aggressively against conservatives.

A year after its founding, Democracy Alliance has followed up on its pledge to become a major power in the liberal movement. It has lavished millions on groups that have been willing to submit to its extensive screening process and its demands for secrecy.

These include the Center for American Progress, a think tank with an unabashed partisan edge, as well as Media Matters for America, which tracks what it sees as conservative bias in the news media. Several alliance donors are negotiating a major investment in Air America, a liberal talk-radio network.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/16/AR2006071600882_pf.html

Posted by: wv on July 17, 2006 04:21 PM

Thank you for printing the words to Michael Franti's wonderful song-a play on words indeed. cybear-I will be humming it all day long.
Pat C. I agree that it all seemed very staged to me. When the news reader on msnbc set the story up it sounded exactly as if she were reading ( was it a she? that's what I remember) a script in preperation for an audition. I was just waking up and I sat up and told my partner "she's reading a script". Poor partner in summer school was up for hours before studying
anthro.

Posted by: clymela on July 17, 2006 04:29 PM

Iran pledges 'support' for Syria if attacked

"In this message, Iranian President Ahmadinejad declared the Islamic republic of Iran's support for the people and government of Syria in the event of any probable attack," state TV said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060717/wl_mideast_afp/mideastunrestsyria_060717124715

The beast is about to be unleashed.

It's the end of the world as we know it
and I don't feel fine...

Posted by: Cybear on July 17, 2006 04:32 PM

Clymela, Michael is fantastic! A real peaceful soul that has been referred to as the new Bob Marley. Download the song and play it loud for the world to hear. It really is beautiful.

Posted by: Cybear on July 17, 2006 04:35 PM

Sally! I was 20 years old on June 7, 1963....I worked between semesters at Art Center for Security 1st National Bank in LA in the bond department, buying and selling treasury securities, processing securities, all the stuff that goes on in a bond department...when the assassination of JFK came thru the PBX board all of us young ones were shocked, crying and upset. When the old guys (probably ones in their 40's) came into the communications center next to my cubby, I was just shocked once more....they were GLAD.....and I never understood it. They were glad about Malcom X....and JFK and I am sure 2 years later they were glad about MLK and RFK....no wonder the 'conspiracy theories' are still alive.

So now, as what's his face always says, I know 'the rest of the story'....dots connected....thank you. How shocking it all is, what a wake up for everyone. I see what Neptune does...it keeps the veils in place until hard aspects come along to rip the veils open....or is it Pluto on the Galactic Center, which from research I've done seems to say is the most important point in anyone'c chart (it is the 'Sun' of our Sun)? I am seeing this more and more.....how so many people will be awake because the constructs of their past beliefs are crumbling in the face of truths which are directly counter to their beliefs - or needs or wants. I include myself....but the worst wake up is about the lengths the very wealthy and privileged will go to inorder to protect themselves. No wonder there are revolutions of the guillotine kind.

Posted by: judigem on July 17, 2006 04:52 PM

http://donkeyod.blogspot.com/2006/07/march-of-folly-by-paul-krugman.html

March of Folly
By PAUL KRUGMAN

Posted by: Pat C on July 17, 2006 04:53 PM

Clymela...not sure what you mean by 'reading a script'...

that IS what they do, from a teleprompter....maybe she was just bad at it.

Posted by: judigem on July 17, 2006 04:55 PM

Well, judigem, you definately have a point there. I just heard a certain measure that reminded me of being present when a director was setting the scene. Certainly could be that the reader was just having a rough spot.
There certainly has been more than one time when this administration talked into microphones that they thought were turned off. And why would our president feel more comfortable witha " local feed" than an "international feed"?
At any rate I absolutely agree with your thought on the neptune. Still don't know enough about the galactic center haven't worked with it enough to come to any conclusions.

Posted by: clymela on July 17, 2006 05:42 PM

Well, judigem, you definately have a point there. I just heard a certain measure that reminded me of being present when a director was setting the scene. Certainly could be that the reader was just having a rough spot.
There certainly has been more than one time when this administration talked into microphones that they thought were turned off. And why would our president feel more comfortable witha " local feed" than an "international feed"?
At any rate I absolutely agree with your thought on the neptune. Still don't know enough about the galactic center haven't worked with it enough to come to any conclusions.

Posted by: clymela on July 17, 2006 05:42 PM

A moderate view written by a Jew who was raised as a Zionist who in the course of his studies ended up questioning what he had been taught and sought ... It'a a good read. Pragmatic, middle of the road. Recognizing error on both sides. Good historical context, lots of links.

Why is Hizbollah popular?

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/07/17/why_is_hezbollah_popular.php

Posted by: Marta on July 17, 2006 05:53 PM

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/james_k_galbraith/2006/07/the_mexican_standoff.html

Doing maths in Mexico - James K Galbraith

The election was stolen. It's not in doubt. Colin Powell admits it. The National Democratic Institute and the International Republican Institute both admit it. Senator Richard Lugar of Indiana - a Republican - was emphatic: there had been "a concerted and forceful program of election-day fraud and abuse"; he "had heard" of employers telling their workers how to vote; yet he had also seen the fire of the resisting young, "not prepared to be intimidated".

In Washington, Zbigniew Brzezinski has demanded that the results be set aside and a new vote taken, under the eye - no less - of the United Nations. In The New York Times, Steven Lee Myers decried "the use of government resources on behalf of loyal candidates and the state's control over the media" - factors, he said, were akin to practices in "Putin's Russia".

I wrote those words two years ago, for Salon. They referred, of course, to the election in the Ukraine, where the presidential candidate favoured by the powerful neighbouring state (Russia) had claimed a tainted victory in a tight race. The thunder from America, citadel of democracy, was overwhelming. Nothing mattered more than to see the vote annulled, a new election held. The subsequent installation of Viktor Yuschenko as President of Ukraine was widely celebrated as a great triumph for democracy.

But that, of course, was in another country. Two weeks have now passed since the presidential vote in Mexico, pitting Andrés Manuel López Obrador of the party for a Democratic Revolution (PRD) against Felipe Calderón of the ruling National Action party (PAN). The candidate who trailed, López Obrador, has explicitly charged that the count was cooked. He has challenged the result in court. No final resolution is due before September.

Yet the stalwarts of democracy outside Mexico are silent. Bush has congratulated Calderón, not waiting for the court to rule. Reuters and Bloomberg echo the confidence of the elites that Calderón will win in court - never mind whether he won at the polls. When The New York Times is heard from, the headlines tell us of the "leftist claims" about the occurrence of fraud, while Calderón is described as "presidential." The Times never doubted that fraud did occur in Ukraine. In Mexico on the other hand, it seemingly renounces any duty to examine the facts on the ground.

Here's one difference between the two situations. In Ukraine, it was extremely hard to learn exactly what the evidence of fraudulence actually was. In Mexico, it is extremely easy. That is because the Mexican electoral authority, known as IFE, posted the ongoing count on its website in real time, an initiative called PREP. Independent scholars kept a record of PREP as the night progressed. A statistical analysis of that record does not, of course, constitute proof. But it brings to mind Henry David Thoreau's remark that circumstantial evidence can be very strong, as when you find a trout in the milk.

More....

Posted by: Pat C on July 17, 2006 09:07 PM


Can Israel Change?

Patrick Seale
July 17, 2006

Patrick Seale is a leading British writer on the Middle East, and the author of The Struggle for Syria; also, Asad of Syria: The Struggle for the Middle East; and Abu Nidal: A Gun for Hire.

For the moment at least, the divided international community seems unable to call a halt to the latest bloody trial of strength between Israel and its Arab enemies.

The contestants seem determined to slog it out, impervious to calls for restraint from the G-8 meeting in St. Petersburg during the weekend, or from the United Nations Security Council—which was paralyzed by a U.S. veto or the threat of a veto in favor of Israel.

The U.N. mission, which Secretary-General Kofi Annan is sending to the region, is almost certain to be ineffective—if indeed it ever manages to reach Lebanon, now cut off from the outside world by an Israeli land, sea and air blockade.

http://www.tompaine.com/print/can_israel_change.php

Posted by: wv on July 17, 2006 09:22 PM

Rabbi Michael Lerner | End the Suffering in the Middle East
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/071706A.shtml
"The people of the Middle East are suffering again as militarists on all sides, and cheerleading journalists, send forth missiles, bombs and endless words of self-justification for yet another pointless round of violence between Israel and her neighbors," writes Rabbi Michael Lerner. This most recent episode of irrationality "evokes tears of sadness, incredulity at the lack of empathy on all sides, anger at how little anyone seems to have learned from the past, and moments of despair as we once again see the religious and democratic ideals subordinated to the cynical realism of militarism."

Posted by: Pat C on July 17, 2006 09:42 PM

Iran Says It's Ready for Nuclear Talks
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/071706C.shtml
Iran said Sunday that Western incentives aimed at persuading the country to halt its nuclear program were an "acceptable basis" for talks and that it was ready for detailed negotiations.

Posted by: Pat C on July 17, 2006 09:44 PM


July 17, 2006

We're Being Set Up for Wider War in the Middle East

by Paul Craig Roberts
The old adage, "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me" does not apply to Americans, who have shown that they can be endlessly fooled.

Neoconservatives deceived Americans into an illegal attack and debilitating war in Iraq. American neoconservatives are closely allied with Israel's Likud Party. In the past, some neocons lost their security clearances because of "mishandling" of classified information. According to Insight magazine, "the Pentagon has banned security clearance to Americans with relatives in Israel. Government sources and attorneys said the Pentagon has sought and succeeded in removing security clearance from dozens of Americans, mostly Jews, who either lived, worked, or have relatives in Israel."

http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=9317

Posted by: wv on July 17, 2006 09:44 PM

Bush Administration Plans Devastating Medicare Changes
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/071706E.shtml
The Bush administration says it plans sweeping changes in Medicare payments to hospitals that could cut payments by 20 percent to 30 percent for many complex treatments and new technologies. The changes, the biggest since the current payment system was adopted in 1983, are meant to improve the accuracy of payment rates. But doctors, hospitals and patient groups say the effects could be devastating.

Posted by: Pat C on July 17, 2006 09:45 PM


Will We Go to War for Israel?

Israel says "Jump!"
Americans ask: "How high?"

by Justin Raimondo
Listening to Newt Gingrich bloviate on Meet the Press, advocating U.S. intervention on Israel's behalf against Syria and Iran – and the pathetic Joe "Me Too" Biden effectively agreeing with him – one can only wonder how or why anybody listens to these crazies. As Newt, the megalomaniacal has-been, gleefully declares that "World War III" is in progress, and weaves a conspiracy theory linking Iran, Syria, North Korea, Hezbollah, and – believe it or not! – Venezuela, old Joe just sits there nodding out. Given a chance to reply, his only objection to Gingrich's vision of war on all fronts is that, yes, we need to go to war, but we have to do it with the support of our allies. "Fighting Joe" Biden is no weenie: his voice hardens as he avers we should tell the North Koreans that we have the capacity to "annihilate" them. Gingrich smiles.

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=9314

Posted by: wv on July 17, 2006 10:09 PM

Hezbollah is not an ant-- 20 years ago Israel invaded Lebanon to destroy Hezbollah and failed to accomplish its mission-- Transiting Pluto conjuncts Israel's natal Jupiter 2nd house-- Meanwhile Tran. Saturn in Israel's 10th house conjuncts some heavy hitters there-- An Israeli request for the U.S. to sell 200 million dollars worth of jet fuel suggests they intend to do a lot of bombing-- still the planets suggest things will not go well for the Olmert gang--

Posted by: ought6 on July 17, 2006 10:54 PM

Oh, for the power to make a universal rule: "If it harms children, it can't be done."

Just look at the faces of the children in this video.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Video_Touring_Lebanon_damage_BBC_obtains_0717.html

Posted by: shylurker on July 17, 2006 11:10 PM

Who are the Lords of War? I have never read such a crock of twisted bullsh*t in my entire life. ""The jet fuel will be consumed while the aircraft is in use to keep peace and security in the region," the Pentagon's Defense Security and Cooperation Agency said."
If the US is supplying jet fuel to Israel to continue its all out brutal assault on Lebanon - than the US (that is all of US) are as guilty as Israel in these war crimes against Lebanon's civilians.
The article gives a time line of 30 days for Congress to approve the deal -- just about the time when Saturn opposes Neptune in late August - coinciding when I anticipated the US secretly authorizing Israel to fly preemptive strikes over Iran.

By that time -- gas prices will soar in US to well over $5.00's a gallon -- paralyzing and crippling the US's economy -- which will come to a grinding halt when truckers strike or refuse to make deliveries on locked in contracts.

Israel asks to buy US jet fuel for military aircraft Fri Jul 14, 5:36 PM ET

The Pentagon notified Congress of an Israeli request to purchase up to 210 million dollars in JP-8 aviation jet fuel for its military aircraft.

"The jet fuel will be consumed while the aircraft is in use to keep peace and security in the region," the Pentagon's Defense Security and Cooperation Agency said.

The notice to Congress came two days after Israeli fighter jets attacked targets in Lebanon, including the international airport in Beirut, following the capture of two Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah guerrillas.

The Pentagon said the sale would help "improve the security of a friendly country which has been, and continues to be, an important force for stability and economic progress in the Middle East."

The US Congress has 30 days to act to block the sale; otherwise, it is automatically approved.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060714/pl_afp/mideastisraelus

Posted by: Philomena on July 18, 2006 12:10 AM

Our "leader" is a flaming A-hole. Sorry for the vulgarity, but these are the kindest words I can find to describe him.

Posted by: Crystal on July 18, 2006 02:54 AM

Food for thought -- this article came out last year this time - July 22, 2005 -- when gas prices were still under $3.00 a gallon. What can we expect to happen when gas prices soar to $5.00 a gallon?
In the past, our national economy was capped to absorb price increases that are incremental w/ cost of living -- and was not driven by shortages or oil market instability brought on suddenly trumped up wars for Israel.

Higher Diesel Gas Prices Squeeze Trucking Industry
Jul. 22--Surging diesel-fuel prices are squeezing a trucking industry that already is in the throes of a driver shortage.

It's a combination that could lead to higher prices on store shelves, according to experts.

The fallout so far:

--Some companies' profits are shrinking as they fight to keep drivers and deal with fuel costs.

--More owner-operators, essentially independents, are shutting down because they can't afford fuel on what have been slim profit margins.

--Shipping costs for food, beverage and consumer products are on the rise. A study this month by the Grocery Manufacturers Association and IBM Consulting Services said transportation costs have climbed 23 percent during the past three years and now are 62 percent of all logistics costs.

''Somewhere down the line, I'm sure the consumer ends up paying for it,'' said David F. Bartosic, spokesman for the Ohio Trucking Association. ''But there is a long trickle-down before the consumer will get it in the wallet.'' The first to be hit have been trucking companies and owner-operators.

Like gasoline, diesel fuel has hit record highs. On average, the price for a gallon is 62 cents higher than a year ago, according to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association in Grain Valley, Mo.

Nationally, diesel fuel hit a record average of $2.47 per gallon on Sunday. The Ohio record, also $2.47, was reached last week.

''It certainly is having an effect because it is the second-highest cost,'' Bartosic said.

The top costs are wages, which some companies boosted to retain drivers during the shortage.

Owner-operators, meanwhile, are seeing earnings fall, said Todd Spencer, executive vice president of the owner-operator association.

They typically receive 90 cents to $1.15 per mile, and then buy their own fuel. The higher fuel prices can increase costs by up to $30,000 a year.

''This is somebody who was netting only about $35,000 a year, anyway,'' he said.

Trucking companies have responded with fuel surcharges, but Bartosic said they have not always worked.

''A lot of times, that surcharge is totally up to the shipper's willingness to pay it,'' he said.

Take consumer-products companies. The Grocery Manufacturers Association said companies are trying to get around higher trucking costs by switching to less-expensive rail.

Some also are changing the way they use trucks, such as sending only full loads instead of partial loads.

Association spokeswoman Stephanie Childs said companies have avoided passing the higher costs onto consumers.

''The reality is if fuel prices continue to increase beyond expectations, then certainly it will be seen in store-level prices,'' she said.

Spencer said owner-operators lack the clout needed to collect a fuel surcharge from the trucking companies and freight brokers that hire them.

Those companies use surcharges but often do not share them with owner-operators, he said.

Congress is considering adding a provision to the federal highway bill to change that. The owner-operator group said the provision requires surcharges to be given to the buyer of the fuel, or in this case, owner-operators.

Spencer said diesel last spiked in 2000-2002, when 250,000 trucks were repossessed from owner-operators.

''We are in a situation where the same scenario is coming into effect,'' he said.

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Posted by: Philomena on July 18, 2006 03:14 AM

Mideast turmoil drives up oil prices
4% increase for week; analysts expect U.S. pump prices to climb
From Wire and Staff Reports
Saturday, July 15, 2006 ELSEWHERE
MIDDLE EAST: Latest developments in the crisis. Page A1. WASHINGTON -- The price of oil briefly surpassed $78 a barrel yesterday and finished 4 percent higher for the week.

The run-up in oil after Israeli attacks in Lebanon raised concerns about inflation and the economy at large, sending stock prices tumbling. OPEC tried to reassure the market by stressing its commitment to order and stability, but at the same time said it has no influence over the geopolitical turmoil underlying this volatility.

Because oil accounts for more than 50 percent of the cost of gasoline, U.S. pump prices, now averaging $2.96 a gallon nationwide, are likely to climb more, analysts said. Richmond pump prices average $2.93 a gallon now.

"I don't think we're done on the upside," said BNP Paribas Commodity Futures broker Tom Bentz, referring to the rise in oil prices.

Yesterday, light sweet crude for August delivery on the New York Mercantile Exchange soared to a record $78.40 a barrel in electronic trading before settling at a record $77.03, up 33 cents from Thursday's record close.

Gasoline futures rose 2.36 cents to settle at $2.3249 a gallon -- the highest level since late September, when U.S. refinery output was sharply curtailed by hurricane damage.
http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD%2FMGArticle%2FRTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1149189163788&path=!business&s=1045855934855

Posted by: Philomena on July 18, 2006 03:19 AM

Crystal, I will amend your post....on HuffPo, bush/cheney/rice qualify as MLAs...

majorleagueassholes.....

Posted by: judigem on July 18, 2006 03:52 AM


Comment
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A pantomime president
From North Korea to Iraq to Lebanon, George Bush's lack of policy has led to a string of disasters

Sidney Blumenthal
Tuesday July 18, 2006

Guardian

President Bush was against diplomacy before he was for it. But with the collapse of US foreign policy from the Middle East to North Korea he has claimed to have become a born-again realist. "And it's, kind of ... painful ... for some to watch, because it takes a while to get people on the same page," he said at his July 7 press conference, adding, in an astonished tone, "Not everybody thinks the exact same way we think. Different words mean different things to different people."
Two years ago at the Republican convention he boasted of his "swagger, which in Texas is called walking". But in the face of the consequences of his failures, he has swaggered into a corner.

In a befuddled response to Israel's reoccupation of Gaza and bombing of Lebanon, the secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, asked for restraint while the president offered support. Bush has regressed to embracing no policy, just as he did when he first entered office. His failure to give the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, any tangible gains to show his electorate helped Hamas win. Now the US's abandonment of any peace process is yielding a downward spiral of mutual recrimination in the region.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329531980-103677,00.html

Posted by: wv on July 18, 2006 03:55 AM

Also...the Saturn opp to Neptune is right on the axis of my Moon in Leo and Neptune on my south node in Aquarius...what appears to be happening (besides a really incredible tiredness) is my approach to my own emotions. This stuff really does have profuound effects on humans. I seem to be a whole lot calmer, which is Saturn,but at the same time, be more interested in how others feel (neptune). I also am much more tempted to speak the truth than to smile and bite my tongue. Which also means I am much more accepting of other people speaking truth...so is this not what is happening now, as more and more people are saying, from both sides of the fence, what is this shit???????? And talking about it....have you noticed how much more open the opposition to bush is?

Well...this can cause trouble at times....!

Posted by: judigem on July 18, 2006 04:03 AM


If Israel has the right to use force in self defence, so do its neighbours
The west appears to insist that only one side in the conflict is able to intervene militarily across borders. That will never be accepted

Ahmad Khalidi
Tuesday July 18, 2006

Guardian

Much has been made in recent days - at the G8 summit and elsewhere - of Israel's right to retaliate against the capture of its soldiers, or attacks on its troops on its own sovereign territory. Some, such as those in the US administration, seem to believe that Israel has an unqualified licence to hit back at its enemies no matter what the cost. And even those willing to recognise that there may be a problem tend to couch it in terms of Israel's "disproportionate use of force" rather than its basic right to take military action.
But what is at stake here is not proportionality or the issue of self-defence, but symmetry and equivalence. Israel is staking a claim to the exclusive use of force as an instrument of policy and punishment, and is seeking to deny any opposing state or non-state actor a similar right. It is also largely succeeding in portraying its own "right to self-defence" as beyond question, while denying anyone else the same. And the international community is effectively endorsing Israel's stance on both counts.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329531975-103677,00.html

Posted by: wv on July 18, 2006 04:16 AM

It's unlikely to become a world war. It is very possible it will become a regional war beyond Israel/Palestine/Lebanon.

Posted by: Paul on July 18, 2006 05:53 AM

Ought 6 With T-Saturn on Israel's Natal Pluto squaring their NN, you are right, things aren't going to go that well for them. Check the Progressed Chart, when Pluto turns direct and actually conjuncts their Jupiter, it will oppose their progressed Uranus and square their progressed Mars. I know at least I think Israel has a lot more power than Hezbollah, but looking at Israel's chart, I don't see anything good coming from this for them. There is something about the wonton disregard for Lebanonese civilians and international tourists that will inflame passions (Pluto) around the world (Jupiter in Scorpio) Mars conjuncts Israel's Mars tomorrow, more violence and death is on the horizon. Saturn will conjunct their Saturn (2nd Saturn return) with a potential re-enactment of the violence that was part of the birth of Israel. When I think of the horror of Hitler for the Jewish people in the late 30's and early 40's, and the extreme fear they live with that something like that will happen again. Sometimes, sadly, we become what we most fear. We fear poverty and we are poor, we fear hatred coming toward us, so we hate, we fear cruelity so we are cruel, we fear oppression so we oppress, yes, we often times become what we fear. I wonder if that has happened to Hezbollah and Israel, with innocent, gentle people caught in their cross fire and they don't seem to care, neither side cares about the horror they are creating and inflicting upon others.

Judi G, you and I can sit in a corner someplace and drool together. The Saturn/Neptune opposition will both be squaring my Mercury. I will either be tripping or in some kind of frustrating fog.


Posted by: Sally on July 18, 2006 06:16 AM

Crystal, Morgana called W a "fop" now that is a perfect word for him, fop. A character who is absolutely inappropriate in every way and completely a fool. He fits the description perfectly.

Posted by: Sally on July 18, 2006 06:22 AM

Stunning article!

“REVELATIONS (4:6-8) ….and round about the throne were four beasts full of eyes before and behind….the first beast was a lion; second beast a calf; third beast had a face as a man and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle….. and they rest not day and night saying holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was and is to come.”
The Grand Fixed Cross Eclipse of 1999 was Leo (the Lion) Taurus (the calf) Aquarius (the man) and Scorpio (the flying eagle)These four living creatures stand for all that is noble, strong, wise and swift in nature. Each of them has the pre-eminence in his particular world. So the beasts represent all the greatest and the strength and the beauty of nature.

I think you've hit upon something very serious here... if that passage is pointing to and about our time. Or did it refer to the time of Mohammed? Or both? Or is one a reflection of the other? A celestial echo...

I would pay very, very close attention to anyone who "solves" this crisis.

Peace,

Mars

Posted by: mars on July 18, 2006 06:34 AM

well of course the passage is from the new testament, but Mars I think you may have hit on something here. With both the Temple of the Mount and the Dome of the Rock on the exact spot, plus they believe they have uncovered the exact spot of where Christ died under the Dome of the Rock. Darn, I have to go to work and will be gone all day but I will try to get back later to explain what we both could be trying to get at.

What if the passage in Revelations did not refer to countries but to people or persons?

Posted by: sally on July 18, 2006 02:09 PM

What if it is not the people....What if it is the energies of the PLACE?

Posted by: Dawn on July 18, 2006 02:28 PM

...in the sense of genius loci or spirit of the place.

Posted by: Dawn on July 18, 2006 02:56 PM

Could be symbolic on more than one level. How's this interpretation -

1) The symbol for the tribe of Judah is the Lion and this the the tribe from which most of the present-day semetic Jews originated - and took their name (and look at all the Leo in Israel's chart); 2) Scorpio/the eagle and phoenix could symbolize the Arab nations; 3) Aquarius, the man pouring water on mankind, is Christ and Christianity in it's essence; 4) Taurus - the Golden Calf? the securlar-material aspect? (Israel is sun in Taura (and another planet?) as well as Leo and is largely a secular country (although much of the religion is woven into the fabric of the country: businesses are closed on Sat.; restaurants are kosher, etc.)

Posted by: Sharon on July 18, 2006 03:26 PM

Ever wonder why? Why the hate? Why the rage? Which of us would not react the same if we were treated as dogs, less than human, fenced in like rats, exterminated at will ... I used to support Israel's right to "defend" itself. Not any more. The hypocrisy stinks to high heaven. PS before anybody jumps to conclusions, my husband is jewish ... so spare me the anti-semitic label.

Wrong is wrong. Just like we're wrong in Iraq. Same mentality. Kill, kill, kill. War, war, war. Who cares about civilians or "collateral damage" as Israel and the US like to call them. Of course, neither the israelis nor the US calls our citizens "collateral damage". No, then there's a name, a family, a history. For the Iraqis and Palestinians and now the Lebanese, nothing. No mercy.

http://www.mylinkspage.com/israel.html#LAN

http://www.machsomwatch.org/

Posted by: on July 18, 2006 05:23 PM

Free credit monitoring for veterans whose personal information was stolen has been withdrawn, the Bush administration said Tuesday, because the laptop containing their data has been recovered.

In a letter to House Speaker Dennis Hastert, White House budget director Rob Portman said he was canceling his office's request last month for $160.5 million in additional funding for the Department of Veterans Affairs to provide one year of free monitoring to millions of veterans and active-duty troops.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-07-18-va-data-theft_x.htm

So much for supporting our vets. Why doesn't Bush just go on tv and tell the whole country to go to hell and be done with it.

Posted by: Roderick on July 18, 2006 05:33 PM

One thing that all this violence in the Mid-East has made me realize is that I need to be more "peaceful" in my own life. I have been more cognizant of how I treat people. I bought a peace sticker for my truck, and I am a little less caustic in my behavior.

I'm not sure if there is a correlation between the way we behave on a daily bases and international unrest but it's a start. I think that if we treat each other better everyday that it will help rid the World of such negative enrgy. Just a thought.

Posted by: Travieso on July 18, 2006 05:51 PM

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Attorney_General_Bush_blocked_wiretap_investigation_0718.html

Attorney General: Bush blocked wiretap investigation

Posted by: Pat C on July 18, 2006 06:03 PM


FOX crew shot at in Gaza...

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Fox_crew_shot_at_in_Israel_0713.html

Posted by: wv on July 18, 2006 06:09 PM


Voice of the White House July 17, 2006

TBR News.org – July 17, 2006

Bush in St. Petersburg is pathetic. In spite of almost universal condemnation of Israel for her obviously deliberate savage attacks on her neighbors, Bush bleats about “poor Israel’s self-protection” and demands “complete support of Israel” in this nasty and very dangerous business. None of the other attendees at the conference support these views but Bush does as he is told and will continue to do so until they take him away.

We have allowed, and freely permitted, a vicious and ethnocentric state to drag our country into one bottomless military pit and now they are trying to widen the scope of the disaster by dragging us into another and this will, in the opinions of all, not some but all, experts I have spoken with or who have made reports on the current situation. Bush and Cheney will not listen to them because Israel demands obedience from those it supports. Should Bush chastise Israel or threaten to cut off aid as Reagan did, his Republicans would have their funds cut off and the entire Israeli-controlled U.S. media would rise up in anger against them, doing their best to defeat them at the mid-terms.

America should wake up and discover that baboons have taken over their house while they were sleeping and are destroying it, room by room.

For your Christian readers, here are thoroughly apt quotations from the Holy Bible.

‘They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosever killeth you will think that he does God service.’ John 16:2,

and further, ‘Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.’ Galatians 6:7”
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2434.htm

Posted by: wv on July 18, 2006 06:18 PM

Sally....let's get our drool cups out.....! but the clear message I have been getting is that I have the space to sit and LISTEN.

from Salon's War Room:
There's something else that smells here

They move pretty quickly over at the New York Times. As we noted earlier, the editors have already found time today to take the word "shit" out of the president's mouth and to put it back in again. But somehow, it's taking them just a little longer to deal with a bit of stench created by one of their own.

On Sunday, the Times posted a demonstrably false story by reporter Anne Kornblut under the demonstrably false headline "Clinton, in Arkansas, Says Democrats Are 'Wasting Time.'" As we said earlier -- and as audiotape and other reports confirm -- Clinton's words about "wasting time" and "wasting lives" were aimed at Republicans in Congress and not at her colleagues on the Democratic side of the aisle.

So where's the correction? Clinton spokesman Philippe Reines tells us that the senator's office asked the Times for one Sunday. But it's Monday afternoon now -- a lifetime later in Internet time -- and the Web site for the "paper of record" still features Kornblut's false report.

There's a word for that kind of journalism, and it seems that the Times' editors are already pretty familiar with it.

Posted by: judigem on July 18, 2006 06:24 PM

And what she actually DID say..
What Hillary meant

Boy, that Hillary Clinton sure set the Democrats straight this weekend.

"Returning to her red-state ties," the Times' Anne Kornblut reports, Clinton "chastised Democrats Saturday for taking on issues that arouse conservatives and turn out Republican voters rather than finding consensus on mainstream subjects. Without mentioning specific subjects like gay marriage, Mrs. Clinton said: 'We do things that are controversial. We do things that try to inflame their base ... We are wasting our time.'"

Just one problem here, Anne. As Atrios points out, the transcript of Clinton's remarks makes it pretty clear that the "we" in question is the Republican-controlled Senate, and not Democrats trying hard to head in another direction.

What Clinton actually said:

After listing an agenda of legislation put together by the nine Democratic women in the U.S. Senate -- pensions, jobs, affordable college educations, protections for military families, etc. -- Clinton said that such work isn't a "priority" for "the Republican majority." "So we do other things," she said. "We do things that are controversial, we do things that try to inflame their base so that they can turn people out and vote for their candidates."

Kornblut's right; Clinton didn't mention gay marriage, an issue Bill Frist -- he's a Republican, see -- forced to the Senate floor earlier this summer. Nor did she mention other "things that are controversial" that "inflame" the Republican base: She didn't mention the constitutional amendment on flag burning, or the Unborn Child Pain Awareness Act, or the Public Expression of Religion Act, or any of the other sops to the right the Republicans are introducing in Congress in the run-up to the November elections.

Maybe we're missing something here. But don't you think, Anne, that maybe Clinton was referring to those things -- and not to the Democrats' proposals on pensions and jobs and education -- when she said: "I think we are wasting time, we are wasting lives, we need to get back to making America work again, in a bipartisan, nonpartisan way"?
-- Tim Grieve

Posted by: judigem on July 18, 2006 06:27 PM


Lebanon civilian deaths morally not same as terror victims – Bolton
AFP – July 17, 2006


The same principle is in operation as in the stand-off between historical revisionists and more orthodox historians. On the one hand, revisionists are trying to find out what really happened in WWII, particularly pertaining to the 'Holocaust'. While on the other hand, orthodox historians want to elevate Jewish suffering over and above the plight of all other peoples. Thereby making it illegal to even question what really happened in Aushwitz while ignoring the many millions of Germans who died in the aftermath of WWII.

By this means the Zionists and those in their pay, like Bolton, confer moral ascendance to Jews and the Jewish state. Even though the Israeli campaign in Lebanon is essentially a campaign of terror waged against innocent civilians. Ed.


Lebanon civilian deaths morally not same as terror victims – Bolton
AFP – July 17, 2006

US Ambassador John Bolton said there was no moral equivalence between the civilian casualties from the Israeli raids in Lebanon and those killed in Israel from "malicious terrorist acts".

Asked to comment on the deaths in an Israeli air strike of eight Canadian citizens in southern Lebanon Sunday, he said: "it is a matter of great concern to us ...that these civilian deaths are occurring. It's a tragedy."

"I think it would be a mistake to ascribe moral equivalence to civilians who die as the direct result of malicious terrorist acts," he added, while defending as "self-defense" Israel's military action, which has had "the tragic and unfortunate consequence of civilian deaths".

The eight dead Canadians were a Lebanese-Canadian couple, their four children, his mother and an uncle, said relatives in Montreal.

The Montreal pharmacist and his family had arrived in Lebanon 10 days earlier for a vacation in his parents' home village and to introduce his children to relatives, they said.

Three of his Lebanese relatives died too, a family member told AFP.

"It's simply not the same thing to say that it's the same act to deliberately target innocent civilians, to desire their deaths, to fire rockets and use explosive devices or kidnapping versus the sad and highly unfortunate consequences of self-defense," Bolton noted.

The overall civilian death toll from the Israeli onslaught in Lebanon since last Wednesday reached 195, in addition to 12 soldiers, officials said. Twenty-four Israelis have also been killed since fighting began last Wednesday, including 12 civilians in a barrage of Hezbollah rocket fire across the border

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060717/pl_afp/mideastconflictlebanon_060717204728

Posted by: wv on July 18, 2006 06:28 PM


Harris Now Target of Federal Investigation?
By Justin Rood - July 18, 2006, 8:29 AM
Is that the sound of the band warming up?

It looks like the Justice Department finally may have become as fascinated by Rep. Katherine Harris' (R-FL) deeds as we have been, lo these many months. Justice Department lawyers and FBI agents have recently interviewed Ed Rollins, Harris' former Senate campaign manager, about her dealings with admitted briber Mitchell Wade and his company, MZM, the Orlando Sentinel confirms today.

It has been hard to imagine that the feds weren't interested in Harris, given what was already in the public record about her activities (in no small part thanks to Rollins): how she took thousands of dollars in bundled donations from Wade, ate thousand-dollar meals with the guy, and tried to insert earmarks to benefit his company.

The news of Rollins' tete-a-tete with the feds is the strongest indication to date that Harris is likely facing a very unpleasant federal probe. Thank goodness she's already picked out her super-expensive D.C. insider lawyer.

Posted by: wv on July 18, 2006 06:34 PM

It gets a wee bit murky don't it... the US taxpayers are hughly funding Israel, yet Israel threatens US rezaholic, congressional criminals & [un]justice judges with cut-off of funding for their election campaigns, etc, if they don't tow the Israeli line. Don't make a lick of sense in a real world, but the real world is smothered under by solar lunatics.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 18, 2006 06:34 PM


Jul 2006

Under the Counter

by Doug Ireland

Doug Ireland prescribes a violent reaction to the Bush/Pharma axis

Without a word of protest from the national AIDS organizations, the Bush administration, behind closed doors, has been sabotaging the ability of the world’s poorest countries to produce or buy cheap, generic AIDS meds. Here’s the background: In November 2001, after a long fight against Big Pharma’s monopolization of AIDS-drug production, a World Trade Organization meeting in Doha, Qatar, agreed that poor countries should have the right to break the multinational drug companies’ patent monopoly if they declared a national AIDS emergency. The U.S. was among the 142 countries signing this breakthrough agreement, under which poor countries could make their own AIDS meds cheaply or buy generic versions from a producing country (like India), thus bypassing Big Pharma.

http://www.poz.com/articles/1056_7008.shtml

Posted by: wv on July 18, 2006 06:46 PM

How To Pre-empt a "November Surprise"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-crispin-miller/how-to-preempt-a-novemb_b_25234.html

Posted by: Pat C on July 18, 2006 07:10 PM

Sally clearly said to leave out the us/them mentality in her essay.

The post of 6:18pm is again a broad brush stroke of prejudice that stinks and is divisionary. TBR news is the fishrag of internet journalism.

I agree, be upset with ALL war mongers but our media is not owned/run by Israel. What about our allegience to Korea's Rev Moon and all the money he pours into our govt/media and the coronation he had in our Congressional offices? What about our allegianeces to the Saudis? The Chinese who fund us? The slant is obvious and agenda is blaring. It smells of ignorance.

Posted by: bhakti on July 18, 2006 07:27 PM

California academic says 'international conspiracy' driving conflict

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/California_academic_says_international_conspiracy_driving_0718.html
Published: Tuesday July 18, 2006

A professor at two California state colleges, CSU Stanislaus and UC Berkeley, has raged against Israel and called the current conflict part of an "international conspiracy" on Al Jazeera, RAW STORY has learned.

In an interview with the Arab news agency, As'ad Abu Khalil has said that, "Israel often acts in revenge. The Zionist movement is a vengeful movement--it always has been."

Khalil faulted Israel for civilian casualties by failing to hand over maps of landmine locations, and went on to claim that Israel "has been kidnapping innocent Lebanese citizens, fishermen and shepherds."

The current situation, he believes, "is an international - regional conspiracy to implement United Nations Security Council resolution fifteen fifty-nine." The resolution calls for the removal of foreign armies and disarmament of non-government militias in Lebanon.

The academic explained his theory:

The groundwork for this aggression began with the work of [Prime Minister] Rafiq al-Hariri in 2004, when he worked with the US and France to pass that resolution in the Security Council.
The plan has the full support of Israel and client Arab regimes of the US: Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Egypt. But it will not work, and Hezbollah will not lay down its arms.

Posted by: judigem on July 18, 2006 07:44 PM

I'm not supporting that MLA John bolton, but what apparently he is referring to is the premeditated attempt to wipe out an entire class (more than one, actually) of people in WWII - although he sure doesn't mention the Turks obliterating the Armenians, our own lovely exterminating attempts on native americans, Aussies and Aboriginals, etc in earlier eras....so it sounds as if he is saying that the Jewish deaths were of a different (more sacred?) order than deaths from plain old fall out from war. Death is death, but it is also true that in law there is accorded a different status in death...premeditated and accidental.

He should have included all pogroms....including wiping out Palestinians and calling it fallout from war.

Posted by: judigem on July 18, 2006 07:51 PM

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/California_academic_says_international_conspiracy_driving_0718.html

video ...Jonathan Miller....Beirut bombings and evacuation

Posted by: judigem on July 18, 2006 08:17 PM

"The Insane Brutality of the State of Israel"
Atrocities in the Promised Land

By KATHLEEN CHRISTISON
former CIA analyst

07/17/06 "Counterpunch" -- -- Words fail; ordinary terms are inadequate to describe the horrors Israel daily perpetrates, and has perpetrated for years, against the Palestinians. The tragedy of Gaza has been described a hundred times over, as have the tragedies of 1948, of Qibya, of Sabra and Shatila, of Jenin -- 60 years of atrocity perpetrated in the name of Judaism. But the horror generally falls on deaf ears in most of Israel, in the U.S. political arena, in the mainstream U.S. media. Those who are horrified -- and there are many -- cannot penetrate the shield of impassivity that protects the political and media elite in Israel, even more so in the U.S., and increasingly now in Canada and Europe, from seeing, from caring.

But it needs to be said now, loudly: those who devise and carry out Israeli policies have made Israel into a monster, and it has come time for all of us -- all Israelis, all Jews who allow Israel to speak for them, all Americans who do nothing to end U.S. support for Israel and its murderous policies -- to recognize that we stain ourselves morally by continuing to sit by while Israel carries out its atrocities against the Palestinians.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14042.htm

Posted by: Philomena on July 18, 2006 09:21 PM

Stranded citizens..can you even blankety blank blank believe it! Outrage compounded upon outrage. I wonder if it is punishment for vacationing in Lebanon ?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/18/lebanon.evacuation/index.html

Posted by: Morgana on July 18, 2006 10:22 PM

Morgana, what do you expect? Our government is useless (worse than useless). They are predatory. Senators travel free. The unwashed masses pay taxes and pay and pay and pay. No services for the unwashed. Nosiree!

The US military coming back from Iraq has had thousands of dollars in additional fees to pay back to the army. The wounded have to pay for any equipment which is not turned back in ... like the stuff that gets strewn around after being hit by an IED and knocked unconscious. How are they supposed to pick their weapons up if they don't have any arms or are unconscious? Happens all the time. Then they get back stateside and have their pay docked because they are no longer on combat duty, but yet they have to pay fees at the hospital (they have to pay for their food which comes to probably around $50 a day, if I had to guess).

When the tsunami hit Indonesia last year (or year before) our government was the ONLY government not doing anything for our civilians. NOTHING. We preen ourselves on being the greatest "superpower" in the world. We citizens, who pay for this "greatness" get NOTHING in return.

And the beat goes on ...

Posted by: Marta on July 18, 2006 11:16 PM

Marta, I recently spent some time with a returning vet. She'd had her legs blown to broken bits by an RPG, she's been out and home less then a year, no ongoing medical assistance, no retraining. Nada, zippo, zilch from the feds.

Snipped a lot more rant then ya'll care to hear, since I would be singing to the choir.

lol the depth of this Administrations incompetency continues to amaze me, it shouldn't, I know. Besides the Brit's watched their Poodle shoo'd away as inconsequential, Condi can do it. oh right lizard lady.

Had enough? yup yup yup pressed down and overflowing.

Posted by: Morgana on July 18, 2006 11:48 PM

"We [the Zionists] have it all under such control that no one -- no one or no-body can [reach] people unless it is done through our media control. (Who has had control of the mass media in the 20th century? -- Chairman of ABC pp Leonard Goldenson, President of CBS -- James H. Rosenfield, Chairman of RCS -- David Sarnoff, Chief Executive of NBC -- Fred Silverman, President of PBS -- Lawrence Grossman, Chairman of Time -- Arthur Heiskell, Editor of U.S. News & World Report -- Marvin Stone, Chief Executive of Dow Jones -- Warren H. Phillips, Editor of Newsweek -- Lester Bernstein, President of TV Guide -- Walter Annenberg, President of New York Times -- Sulzberger family, TV program producer -- Norman Lear -- these and more all are Jews!!) We have it sewed up!!"
- Harold Wallace Rosenthal from the Harold Wallace Rosenthal Interview 1976

Posted by: Peg on July 19, 2006 12:49 AM

June 2, 1784
The Right of Revolution
Excerpt from NH State Constitution:
[Art.] 10. [Right of Revolution.] Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community, and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance ag ainst arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.

Posted by: Philomena on July 19, 2006 02:20 AM

I see a mass exodus to New Hampshire in the near future ...;)

Posted by: Philo on July 19, 2006 02:22 AM

"My local TV station told me local Jews were celebrating and supporting Israel's slaughter of Palestinians in Gaza and its invasion of Lebanon, where many children were slaughtered by Jewish bombs while riding in a schoolbus. Such is life in braindead America these days. Zionized. A mental yarmulke on the heads of everyone."
http://www.warfolly.com/kaminski/jewsdont.html

Posted by: Philomena on July 19, 2006 02:30 AM

Looks like the Sabian Symbol, The Furious Storm, that Mercury has been retrograding over has shown the extreme of it's symbolism. Today, the Sun is on Cancer 27: The Furious Storm in a Canyon Filled With Valuable Homes. These last few days have felt absolutely volatile on so many levels.... I do hope that today's pass over that degree doesn't escalate things.... although I think pigs might fly.

Posted by: Lynda Hill on July 19, 2006 02:46 AM

Does Bush's reaction to Lebanon remind anyone
else of his reaction to Katrina?

Posted by: wv on July 19, 2006 02:55 AM

wv, you asked: Does Bush's reaction to Lebanon remind anyone else of his reaction to Katrina?

He's obviously a sociopath, as are many others in the administration.

Posted by: Lynda Hill on July 19, 2006 03:08 AM

One point for the side of sanity:

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/shared-blogs/ajc/elections/entries/2006/07/18/reed_concedes.html

Posted by: Teresa on July 19, 2006 03:13 AM

What Teresa just posted:

Yay!Yay!Yay!Yay!Yay!Yay!

(Wuz gunna post it myself.)

Posted by: shylurker on July 19, 2006 03:18 AM

wv, by "reaction" do you mean totally inappropriate activities like rubbing the shoulders of the head of the German govt or fiddling while New Orleans drowned?

Posted by: Teresa on July 19, 2006 03:25 AM

LOL, shy, were you a cheerleader in a previous life?

Posted by: Teresa on July 19, 2006 03:27 AM

This was the headline from an AP story

U.S. Mideast Evacuation Effort Criticized

BEIRUT, Lebanon (AP) - A cruise ship sailed into Beirut late Tuesday, delayed by an Israeli naval blockade amid fierce criticism that the U.S. effort to evacuate 25,000 Americans fleeing Mideast fighting had lagged behind Europe's.


I think there is something more sinister to the ineptitude of exacuating Americans from Lebanon. I think the Admin. really wants these people to be kidnapped by Hezbellah so that Bush will have reason to get into the frey and war with Iran.

Yes, this is how little I think of the Admin and Bush. I think that they have such little regard of human life that they will use them for war fodder. Bush wants to start WWIII and armageddon. These people are sick.


Posted by: Travieso on July 19, 2006 03:28 AM

I wonder what Venus' movement from Gemini to Cancer - the Sabian Symbol for Cancer 1 being: Sailors on a Ship Lower an Old Flag and Raise a New One - is going to bring?

Certainly the coming days sound difficult with VEnus going over Cancer 4: A Cat Arguing With a Mouse (which is the USA's Venus degree, hence it's Venus return) and then over Cancer 5: A Car Wrecked at a Railroad Crossing...

Sounds like a fairly stressful unfolding of events to me...

Mercury is heading back over Cancer 25: A Leader of Men Wrapped in an Invisible Mantle of Power - which is the USA's Mercury degree - hence it's Mercury return at the same time.

Posted by: Lynda Hill on July 19, 2006 03:29 AM

Lynda, I must confess that Sabian symbols, like Tarot, have never really worked for me so I tend to distrust them BUT you sure called it with the furious storm. I will have to take a closer look.

Posted by: Teresa on July 19, 2006 03:32 AM

With all due respect, there is also a famous picture and film clip of a large number of Palestinian Arabs celebrating (which highlights one woman with a headscarf in particular), after 911. It's natural for some people, not all, to do this kind of thing when they feel they somehow have triumphed over their enemies. I don't see what good quoting this sort of thing does. And, just because one shallow, narrow-minded Jewish guy made this kind of statement in 1976, why is it quoted as if it is representative of the situation today? To my knowledge, there are many Jewish producers and directors in film and TV, but I still don't see how it can be said that Jews control the media. If this is the case, please direct me to some proof.

Regarding Hezbollah, they have been shooting rockets for years at Israel trying to provoke a fight, in spite of a long-time cease fire.

People say that criticism of Israel is not an example of anti-semitism, yet I see a certain amount of stereotyping here. There are Jews whoo have positions of wealth and power, as there are Christians and Muslims, but Jews still only constitute something like 6% of the world population. How much power can we have? Also, why would the U.S. allow Israel to control their policy? Probably what is happening is that there is a policy in place, albeit misguided, that wants to control and stabillize the mideast (and/or control the oil) and Israel acts as a watchdog, something it had to learn to do.

I agree with wv...Israel needs to help get these people out of the camps and support the Palestinians in having an independent nation (as should it's Arab neighbors. The stumbling block is Hamas who, in turn, has to agree to recognize Israel and leave it alone.

Posted by: Sharon on July 19, 2006 03:33 AM

Unfortunately, Sharon, a lot of people cannot seem to get past their bigotry and find it easy to blame Jews for everything that goes wrong. I don't understand this attitude (although I do have my own prejudices to struggle with). I was raised a Catholic and remember being told that Christ was killed by the Jews by the priests, the nuns, my grandmother. It is difficult but not impossible to reprogram yourself after that kind of education. What I really don't get is why does anyone, Palestinian or Israeli celebrate killing civilians or killing anyone? Isn't there some passage in the bible that says we are not to judge others? Where oh where does it say we have to kill those who don't believe as we do?

I'm done now. I think I'll go back to lurking.

Posted by: Teresa on July 19, 2006 03:42 AM

Sharon,

This is true. If we really want to talk about "those in control" it would still be the Anglo. Only one president, Kennedy, lacked Anglo ancestry. Van Buren was of German ancestry, but again, of Saxon extraction.

I don't hate Anglos at all, because it was also Anglo Americans who started the Progessive movement at the turn of the century that helps us today. Violent revolutions don't usually have good outcomes, such as the French Revolution that started the "Reign of Terror" and a series of dictatorships. War is just not the answer.

Posted by: Travieso on July 19, 2006 03:43 AM

I think also this square between Jupiter in Scorpio and Saturn in Leo shows a real crisis in leadership. If I had to guess, this also represents a lot of secretive and "behind the scenes" actions by many leaders and Mid-East players. The abundant nature of Jupiter is allowing war to take place because of it's ruler being Mars(using the traditional rulerships). Even with Pluto as it's ruler in the Modern system, it works out the same -war and violence.

Posted by: Travieso on July 19, 2006 03:48 AM

Thank you, guys. I also feel that no one here means any harm - they are just expressing outrage at cruelty. Who knows why this goes on, why people kill or celebrate death...who knows why we have to be egotistical and/or primitive and territorial. For some reason, this is the lower part of human nature and we have found all the keys to not let it be in control.

Posted by: Sharon on July 19, 2006 03:58 AM

Sharon, I appreciate you and this board for allowing me to come, read, and post. I enjoy hearing what others into astrology think. Thank you, thank you.

Posted by: Travieso on July 19, 2006 04:00 AM

We have "not" found all the keys.

Posted by: Sharon on July 19, 2006 04:18 AM

It is my personal opinion that people of Hebrew descent, whether Jew or not, or only partly, have a very high level of moxie, brilliant minds, huge ability to deal with money and finance (both on the good and bad side), are incredibly brilliant doctors, scientists, inventors, lawyers, musicians, and film makers, not to mention writers....and I lived in Hollywood for years, I sure know about the acting part....there is something I see driving them (I see it in my friends) that make them more than any other group of people, great comedians and communicators...but with a commesurate drive for power, position and influence. I have always been in awe of this, and I have always had a huge admiration of all of these qualities. (I don't know, I thought Anglos were just white people....so Irish like JFK aren't anglos?) In the end, they sacrifice quite a lot, I am sure, to get where they are ...which appears to be, in control of a great many institutions of communication and finance. You think just because there aren't a LOT of them that they aren't influential and that they wouldn't use that influence to further their goals? Geez....people accuse gays of having an agenda to subvert the world....! Why not the incredibly seductive desire to support a HOMELAND?

I don't even think this is the question anymore, that this is all a part of the past...what we are dealing with now is how Israel has morphed into this place where they are now. Who cares if it steps on ethnic toes, it is brutal and it is WRONG. And I think most Jews, who tend to be liberals, know this.

That being said, hey...the Scots were pretty good money makers also! Except for me, that is....and much of the current structure of finance in the world is Scots founded .... maybe THEY are the lost tribe of Israel....anyway, they sure changed the world in the 19th century.

Posted by: judigem on July 19, 2006 04:26 AM

Judi, I consider the Irish to be Celts who were the original peoples of the Isles before the Anglo-Saxon invasion around the 5th and 6th century A.D. Irish, Scottish, and Breton celtic languages are different from English and other Germanic languages, and they had there own mythology.

Anyway, when I was in Isreal, many isrealis wer against what their government was doing just like us against Bushco.

Posted by: Travieso on July 19, 2006 04:31 AM

Traveiso, how true--war is not the answer. But most of the time the longer and more cruel the injustice, the more bloody the reaction to it. Americans had a fairly civilized revolution from British rule, but they sure hadn't been treated the way the French peasants were by their aristocrats.

The exception that I've noticed is South Africa. I was astonished that after all those years of oppression, the shift of power there was relatively humane. Must be some good stars in their chart.

On another note, have been remembering what Captain Sally said about Bush having a good summer in the sense that he's enjoying himself and mishaps around him are not as serious as they could be. Check this out and scroll down

americablog@blogspot.com

to see Bush massaging the neck of the German head of state without her permission. The man has no notion of where his boundaries are.

I apologize if someone has already posted with links to this. My computer modem is dead and I have only a brief time to use this computer.

Looks to me like Bush's fairly easy summer and tiny bounce in the polls and his Jupiter aspects are leading him to get more and more confident/careless about his fascade. He has almost stopped pretending to be decent because he thinks he doesn't have to.

Posted by: Barbara on July 19, 2006 04:45 AM

Well, that link is actually

http://americablog.blogspot.com

Posted by: Barbara on July 19, 2006 05:03 AM

OMG, this just in. Scares me to death!!!

BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- Israeli ground troops have entered southern Lebanon on a mission to destroy outposts of the militant group Hezbollah, an Israel Defense Forces spokesman told CNN early Wednesday.

I send light and love to all the victims of this war.

Posted by: Travieso on July 19, 2006 05:10 AM

I hate this world. People are killing others, nobody feels safe any more.

Posted by: wall shelf on July 19, 2006 05:22 AM

The truth is that if it is worth getting involved in the war against each other? Is it worth giving up so many lives to get the land? I really don't think so.

Posted by: wall shelf on July 19, 2006 05:24 AM

Sharon, you said: With all due respect, there is also a famous picture and film clip of a large number of Palestinian Arabs celebrating (which highlights one woman with a headscarf in particular), after 911.

Sharon, from what I understand, this was shown to be a fraud.... and we all know how little we can trust what we're shown in the media anyway...

Posted by: Lynda Hill on July 19, 2006 05:33 AM

Lynda, a quick google search brought up these photos of Palestinians celebrating after 911 - Actually, I don't hold it against them. I have great empathy for them.

http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=4030

Posted by: Sharon on July 19, 2006 05:42 AM

A great many snuff videos have been distributed by rezadruggie & co as nooz... it's hard initially to pick them out, then it gets easier. One gets to know the rover-boy style.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 19, 2006 06:01 AM

It is like bushaholic is eating a handful of "uppers" every morning... just full of distraction, confusion & merriment. Not really a good place to be... one tends to miss the really big sledge hammer coming to whoop one upside the haid.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 19, 2006 06:41 AM

I did read somewhere a few years back that there is a theory, based on historical stuff that has come to light in recent years, that part of the "lost tribes" eventually found their way to scotland migrating on over the centuries via egypt, spain, and ireland. In fact the term scot did not appear until after roman times and Hadrien's wall.

Astrology recognizes the evolution of the soul. I wonder if the 'jewish' experience is not some sort of evolutionary step that we are all born into from time to time.
Perhaps it is the seemingly jewish tenacity to need to "hold onto" things that is to be experienced and overcome, and perhaps on more than one level. Historically, so many of israel's citizen's ancestors families originated from tsarist russia, where culturally they must have had to really cling tenaciously to things just to survive. And moving as refugees from Russia to various other parts of europe did not improve their situation at all.

So perhaps the spiritual experience to be learned is of releasing the need to cling to tangible worldly possessions and location, versus releasing, loving others unconditionally, and recognizing that we are all, in the big picture, "one" in "god's" eyes. A tall order yes, but the key to peace.

The older I get the more I relate to Buddhist thinking. At the moment I am reading the Dalai Lama's book "The Universe in a Single Atom." He is such an interesting man.
Oh, and yes, I am of scottish ancestry on both sides of my family - they immigrated to NZ on sailing ships in the mid 19th century.

Posted by: kiwijeanie on July 19, 2006 06:50 AM

Good.

* Fundie-boy Reed concedes defeat in Georgia primary... Former xian Coalition leader Ralph Reed, unable to overcome his ties to disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff, conceded defeat Tue in the state's [necroporn] race for lt gov. ... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060719/ap_on_el_gu/georgia_primary;_ylt=Alqo8g5XQyHZTYj8NdJruAeyFz4D;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 19, 2006 06:53 AM

Well said Bhakti and you are right I did ask that "sides" be left out of this. There is no way to dialogue about the problems we are all facing if we start drawing up sides. This whole thing has the smell of getting way out of hand. If Bush and Israel go after Iran and Syria, China and Russia will be pulled into it all. There is always two sides to an issue and each side is convinced of their "rightness" but anger and hate is an energy and no matter what side a person is on and even no matter how right they maybe in their opinion all the anger and hatred they feel is energetically adding fuel to the fire.

If I have a side, it's on the side of peace and some kind of effort toward diplomacy. After watching the Middle East and their wars for over 30 years, I am convinced that neither side wants peace it's all just been words all the while both sides were doing things that would ensure the hatred continued. I am so appalled at the eruption of hatred and the complete and total disregard of innocent lives. Tourists who have absolutely no stake in this fight at all are in danger and some of them are dead. Anger and hatred are out of control in this world and the men who promote it are out of control, reducing people to animals and behaving as vicious animals themselves. Words fail me but my feelings for all the people trapped in this insanity are overwhelming. And I wonder how long it will be before it's us in this country facing bombs flying into our cities. Somehow there has to be an end a return to peace or a world wide desire for peace, but when?

Posted by: Sally on July 19, 2006 07:21 AM

* For Democrats, Wave Is Building

There's probably no way congressional [necroporn]s can lose this fall, no matter how unpopular [rezadruggie] is or how unhappy the voters are with the war in Iraq. That's the prevailing view in Wash today.

But it's wrong. ... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/14/AR2006071401391.html

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 19, 2006 09:52 AM

Iran will fund and aid its allies in Lebanon (and Iraq) but it has been doing that anyway. It won’t intervene directly with its military, which is what a regional war would require. And no Arab nation wants to take on Israel directly (or the US for that matter). Of course anything is possible where humans are involved, but I think all the talk about regional war (much less world war) is extremely overblown.

Posted by: francis Hearn on July 19, 2006 10:21 AM

This is just a great source of real journalism.

http://www.truthdig.com/

Posted by: Pat C on July 19, 2006 11:21 AM

"I am convinced that neither side wants peace it's all just been words all the while both sides were doing things that would ensure the hatred continued."


Too true.

Posted by: Pat C on July 19, 2006 11:36 AM

While we are all distracted by the horrors of war...

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3087

REPORTS: GA DEM PRIMARY VOTES FLIPPING FROM CYNTHIA MCKINNEY TO OPPONENT HANK JOHNSON

PROBLEMS WITH DIEBOLD'S PAPERLESS TOUCH-SCREEN SYSTEMS REPORTED IMMEDIATELY AS POLLS OPEN THIS MORNING…

[NOW INCLUDING SEVERAL UPDATES FROM MCKINNEY ET AL]

Guest blogged by Winter Patriot

According to sources in the Cynthia McKinney camp, Georgia voters attempting to vote for her in today's Democratic Primary are seeing their votes flipped to her opponent, Hank Johnson.

McKinney has a well-deserved reputation for speaking truth to power, asking tough questions, and not backing down (see this video, or read this transcript).

Diebold, on the other hand, has a history of touch-screen machines flipping votes from one candidate to another — commonly called "vote-switching" or "vote-flipping" — and otherwise failing altogether.

Georgia, with Maryland one of Diebold's original "showcase" states, employing the paperless version of their touch-screen system, has a history of very strange results in mid-term elections. We'll have more about all this and perhaps some updates, as time permits.

GA's Democratic Secretary of State Cathy Cox has been a longtime Diebold supporter, even appearing on their sales brochures. Cox is running for Governor this year and is, like J. Kenneth Blackwell in Ohio, overseeing the administration of her own election on these machines.

Hat tips to Joseph Cannon at Cannonfire as well as BradBloggers Jason, Laura and Chris.

Will somebody please call the cops?

UPDATE #1: Here's another brief report from Cynthia McKinney's website:

Just after the polls opened, numerous problems with Diebold electronic voting machines were noted. At one Rockdale precinct, reportedly a single Diebold machine malfunction affected the performance of the entire sequence of machines assigned to that precinct. Additionally, one machine didn't have a plug and sat idle. In addition, workers were not adequately trained on the use of the electronic pollbooks, resulting in unneccessary voter frustration.When one McKinney voter realized too late that her intended vote had been switched by the voting machine to a McKinney opponent, the polling place official's response was "she needs to let us know next time before she casts her ballot." McKinney campaign officials want to know, what about this time?

Not a half-bad question, I would say.

UPDATE #2. From Cynthia McKinney's blog:

One couple went to vote together, as they always do. When they arrived at the polling place, the Diebold electronic pollbook was in use by officials. The wife's name was in the electronic pollbook's database and she was allowed to vote. The polling officials told the husband that he had already voted. The husband, irate at hearing this news, and being told that he could not vote, contacted McKinney headquarters and Team McKinney lawyers have been dispatched to the precinct.A snake in the bush is easy to fight. But one already in the house becomes a problem!

More developing...

Posted by: Pat C on July 19, 2006 11:48 AM

My viewpoints are similar to kiwijeanie's in the way I perceive these conflicts. I think the warring factions are beings who have yet to understand the truths taught by the great masters. I also think that the greedy warmongers perpetuate their lust for power in a never-ending misguided attempt to balance the scales of justice.

I think to believe that these conflicts will be resolved in our lifetime is naiive, and possibly the best achievements that can be reasonably accomplished is to maintain peaceful objectivity coupled with brotherly love towards all of mankind. Perhaps that is a simplistic point of view, but it is one that removes any feelings of fear or hatred.

Sharon, you asked for information regarding the jewish- controlled media:
As of January 2003 the U.S. media was virtually 100% controlled by Jews. But now, it is only 85.7% controlled by Jews, as Richard Parsons replaced Gerald Levin as CEO at AOL Time Warner in January. http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/08/76833.php

Posted by: Peg on July 19, 2006 01:39 PM

i haven't been around this week, but wanted to send peace and love and stillness to the astroworld community as the world devolves into madness. the insanity will not cease, and i think blame doesn't serve any of us anymore. justice is vital, but i feel a strong pull to pray and send light to beings that think violence solves crisis instead of focusing on who did what when and why. blood is on the hands of many, and all we can do is collectivley wash our souls -- let's attune to the good energy that is still left for us. it exists, just harder to find right now.

Posted by: stefanie on July 19, 2006 02:40 PM

I had a vewry strange occurance last night while sending Reiki to the middle east.

The International Center for Reiki Traing has 3 grids placed in locations around the world. One at the N pole, one at the S pole and one in Jerusalem. While sending energy to the one in Jerusalem, 4 beings in black moved in front of the grid and stopped the energy flow. They said no, I let them know I was working for peace and they still said no. What is taking place must take place. The location where this grid has been placed was full of angry spirits. The figures in black were preventing any positive energy from connecting with the grid and the other spirits were swirling around in a state of agitation.

What I found that was so unusual was the figures looked like orthodox jews. They were men in black robes, hats and with long black hair and beards. It seems that they don't want peace. They only want conflict and unrest as a means of controlling the earth. Keep the fear alive. It made no sense at all.

Just what did the Magi of eras past conjure up in that area?

It's almost as if they will do anything to prevent peace on earth. But, after re-reading Sally's article again, this may just be a time that we will have to struggle through and hope that a better world will come from it.

So tonight I am going to send energy to the grids at the N and S poles before I send it to the middle east and see if that helps. If the beings appear and block the flow again I will focus sending energy to the whole world instead of locations.

Posted by: Cybear on July 19, 2006 03:10 PM

Forgive me for the typos....Mercury R...

Posted by: Cybear on July 19, 2006 03:11 PM

Cybear, that is fascinating because a couple of days ago one of the Reiki groups here had a similar experience. I can't say I saw black figures but I felt a wall, others saw those figures. It's been said that there are portals in the Middle East allowing traffic from the other side to come through, I don't know if I believe that but it's been written about for quite some time and is in some ancient texts. If that's true, I would wonder what was coming through and do they come through at different times in history creating this kind of thing. I strongly recommend the book, "The Fourth Turning"

"William Strauss and Neil Howe in their book The Fourth Turning propose a theory that modern history, just like nature, passes through cycles of seasons--what they call generational "turnings"--lasting around 20 years each. The cycle repeats itself or undergoes a crisis era, a "fourth turning," every 80 years or so."

But why do we pass through these cycles? There has to be an answer beyond astrology, because astrology simply gives the map of the energies around a person, country etc. Why don't we grow beyond the last "4th turning" why don't we learn anything from it? Why do the energies keep the same hatreds stirred up? Why don't we ever heal from the painful things from our past?

T-Mars will conjunct Israel's Mars and square Lebanon's Sun over the next several days, I expect everything to heat up from here. I don't know if all the tourists will get out, it's kind of like New Orleans.

Posted by: Sally on July 19, 2006 03:41 PM

Stop the race baiting! The Reiki thing I take with a grain of salt. I live in Bklyn where the Hasids and Orthodox Jews live in abundance. I do not agree with their fundamentalist POV. However, here in NYC we all take the subways together and we live as a sea of humanity in relative peace. What goes in thier minds and conciousness? How do I know for sure? Can you tell me when your last breath will be drawn? Can't?. How does one know what others think? Norman Lear a Zionist? The producer of ALL IN THE FAMILY, MAUDE, GOOD TIMES, really? Always found those shows were there to erode prejudice.

What I do pick up from certain posters is deep samskaras (karmic impressions and the pre-conditioned mind) from childhood upbringing that are carried on in adult life. So much for 'lightworkers' with this attitude. Especially when Sally requested her intention for HER blog on HER site.
I can also race bait and say things about the dumbed down and the prejudice who cannot overcome their samskaras with inner work. I can make fun of W Virginians hillbillies without teeth and undereducated. So ALL wvs are that? I know from my family in the South Carolina how ignorant and prejudice they act in the South and how I was once bullied and called a BarMitzpha girl just from walking down the SC street. So ALL southerners are idiots? I can tell you how nasty the male Arab cab drivers are to women here in NYC and talk down to us, or go ballistic and shout and yell when I'm in their cab. So ALL Arabs are maniacs? Shall I go on?

Each human is on their own, judged individually by their actions and character, not by thier race, color or religion.


Posted by: bhakti on July 19, 2006 03:48 PM


July 19, 2006

U.S. Appears to Be Waiting to Act on Israeli Airstrikes

By HELENE COOPER and STEVEN ERLANGER

WASHINGTON, July 19 — The outlines of an American-Israeli consensus began to emerge on Tuesday, in which Israel would continue to bombard Lebanon for another week or so to degrade the capabilities of the Hezbollah militia, officials of the two countries said.

Then, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice would go to the region and seek to establish a buffer zone in southern Lebanon, and perhaps an international force to monitor Lebanon’s borders and prevent Hezbollah from obtaining more rockets for bombarding Israel.

American officials signaled that Ms. Rice was waiting at least a few more days before wading into the conflict, in part to give Israel more time to weaken Hezbollah.

The strategy carries risk, partly because it remains unclear just how long the rest of the world, particularly America’s Arab allies, will remain silent as the toll on Lebanese civilians rises.

More civilians were killed in Israeli air strikes today — at least 19, according to The Associated Press, while the BBC put the total at 40, and Reuters at 50. Israeli ground troops briefly crossed the Lebanese border and clashed with Hezbollah forces, news services said, while Americans in Beirut began boarding a cruise liner for evacuation to Cyprus.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/19/world/middleeast/19cnd-mideast.html?ei=5094&en=fe5b12c28a8a30c6&hp=&ex=1153368000&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print

Posted by: wv on July 19, 2006 03:49 PM

Thanks Sally, the overview, the big picture is a much better way to view oracles.

Got my Ammachi hug on Sunday and my prasad or gift has been to become more sensitive to prejudice and not being afraid to call it.

Posted by: bhakti on July 19, 2006 03:51 PM

I just don't think the "Holy Land" is very holy... or mebbe "holy" doesn't mean what we think it does. ;O)

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 19, 2006 03:51 PM

I shall take back the qualifier, "very" holy. It's not holy at all... it attracts the worst imo. I've always thot that...

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 19, 2006 03:54 PM

JoO

Maybe it's a prediction of thousands of holes made by bombs.

Posted by: bhakti on July 19, 2006 03:56 PM

Mebbe during the days of the Old Religion, it was holy, which in turn attracted Destroyers. I've never heard anything about the ley lines there. Alas... some folks don't get any "free will" at all. ;O)

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 19, 2006 03:57 PM

Yea, verily, bhakti... hahahahahaaaa!

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 19, 2006 03:59 PM

Everytime one goes to post, Miss Sally... one is confronted with the title to your article & it never fails to bring a smile to my innards.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 19, 2006 04:01 PM

There are energies at work to which human beings are connected on a higher harmonic. During times of crisis, most of those people become aware of their light work.

I don't know the answer but I'm wondering if there are specific people who are called upon to do the work in this crisis, and perhaps other, less involved are a complication, and asked to refrain. It's just a thought.

I am disturbed by the pain and suffering on a deep level, but I have a sense of calm. I am wakening at specific times now which are a new pattern. I know there is something going on on a higher level. There always is.

I keep praying for good and powerful "angels" to stem the tide, but now in a different way.

Be at peace, I am told.

Posted by: Pat C on July 19, 2006 04:24 PM

Eric Francis: A Beginning...

THERE is another theory besides "the end" for what is happening in the world right now, and while I didn't make it up I'd love to help popularize it. The theory holds that our current tribulation is going to lead to what is really the beginning of sustainable human life. That is to say, the wars, environmental destruction, energy crisis, and the inability for our non-sustainable economy to continue beyond a certain point are what will lead to the foundations of what you might call ethical communities on Earth. ... http://planetwaves.net/

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 19, 2006 04:25 PM

My father said once "everyone is prejudice and it's nothing to be proud of, but if we don't recognize our own prejudices we lose the opportunity to heal them."

I've never forgotten that comment and have tried to be conscious of mine. Right now my prejudice goes to governments and the way they move people around like pawns, have absolutely no respect for others, not their rights or lives and if you look back in history they never have. So that's where my prejudice lies today and I don't separate it out by race, color, creed or sexual orientation. I am struggling to understand who these people are that run governments, what really motivates them, and when they run up "secrecy because of national security" does that really mean "we are doing things for reasons you wouldn't like, so we cannot tell you." Yes it's my own prejudices I struggle with.

Posted by: Sally on July 19, 2006 04:26 PM

I think the land is holy everywhere, Earth nurtures and welcomes us everywhere. It's just us, little human beings who behave like scamps sometimes...

I do believe that we are at the dawn of peace, even though it looks so chaotic and so improbable.

Thank you Sally for all your aticles, sorry to be posting so little, life is busy.. Hugs to everyone, and to my dear Pat C.

:)

Posted by: flo c. on July 19, 2006 04:32 PM

I wonder if it would be more accurate to call The Light Workers, "The Integraters," to become "Whole-ies." The brightest noon day sun causes the deepest & darkest shadows we know. I'm not a big fan of "The Light-only" notion... makes me think of its opposite. I'm more than tired of dualities being the sale item of the day... er, night... er, both.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 19, 2006 04:35 PM

I had always thought that we would not understand light without being aware of the dark, and the other way round. I suppose that is part of experience here in this dense place. Both must be respected in order to walk the middle and see both sides.

flo, walk in beauty.

Posted by: Pat C on July 19, 2006 04:43 PM

I don't think it's prejudicial to speak truth about our differences, our strengths and weaknesses. We are all not the same, and I don't think it's race baiting to acknowledge our diversity.

Posted by: Peg on July 19, 2006 04:46 PM

Me too Joanna, it's just another way to say "I'm on the right side of light and you aren't." I have seen self proclaimed "light workers" turn to "dark" so fast it would make your head swim. Look at the Right Wing Christians today, I remember when they were considered the "light workers" and now they are drooling at the blood being splattered because they believe there is a bus taking them to their heaven and they are willing to slaughter every single person they perceive is standing in their way.

I do take comfort in Voltaire "never fear chaos, for out of chaos a new and better way is born."

But whether it's me spouting voltaire, light workers drifting to the clouds, Christians in a wild frenzy for more and more war, editorial writers, astrologers, no matter; the point is we are all trying to make sense out of this seeming insanity. No matter what or who we believe we keep trying to imagine clothes on our emperors or our nations or our religions and the fact is they are insane a loaded with hypocrisy and duality and deceit and hubris.

Posted by: Sally on July 19, 2006 04:48 PM

We all have clay feet. If we were done with our lessons, we could probably leave.

I have the thought that the right wing maniacs are here to rebirth the unfinished business of the old witch hunts and nazi hatreds. To me they are all fascists, and must be terrfied.

Posted by: Pat C on July 19, 2006 04:54 PM

I LOVE diversity, Peg... who'd want to (if they were truthful) go to a feast where nothin' but mashed potatoes were served. Forget the veggies, turkey ham, & deserts, but not even chives, sour cream, bacon bits or butter. The "we're all the same" idea bores me to tears... besides which, it ain't gonna happen.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 19, 2006 04:59 PM

oh... forgot the salt.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 19, 2006 05:03 PM

* CowBOY georgadruggie - bush's unexpected squeeze of the German chancellor has the Internet howling

It's not exactly "[rez]idents Gone Wild!" but for the normally staid Grp of 8 Summit, a video of [rezafreak] sidling behind German Chancellor Angela Merkel & delivering an impromptu neck rub is, well, as wild as it gets.

The scene, captured by a Russian TV camera, http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/lookingpresidential.php hit the Internet like a summer wildfire Tue, & it may be most memorable for the German chancellor's reaction. bush applies his hands to Merkel's shoulders & neck while she's speaking with Italian PM Romano Prodi; the chancellor hunches her shoulders, then throws her hands up to stop the unexpected massage with a wan smile--& an expression which can best be translated as "Ewwww."

While the incident didn't get a lot of play on major TV media, it was just one of the bush G-8 gaffes that garnered considerable space in the blogosphere from London to Los Angeles. Bloggers on sites like truthdig.com expounded at length on the US [rez]'s now-famed open mic incident in which bush let slip the "s-word" while talking with British PM Tony Blair; it wasn't so much the potty mouth as [rez] speaking with his mouth full that horrified many internatl critics.

But it was the massage for Merkel--notably the only female at the G-8 table--which earned bush the title of "Groper in Chief" on some Web sites. One German tabloid, BILD-Zeitung, which posted the link to the video & headlined it: "bush: Love Attack on Merkel!"

And Dialog Internatl, a Web site that specializes in German/American politics & culture, said bush's behavior raised questions about the American [rez] & his profile abroad. "When he is away from his script & his handlers, his true lack of intelligence & emotional maturity surfaces for all to see. The dangerous situation in Lebanon ... requires true leadership. Don't look for it from the world's uberpower." ... http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/07/19/BUSH.TMP

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 19, 2006 05:11 PM

So if good and loving people are being held back when they are sending healing energy, what would you all say the point of that would be?

Posted by: Pat C on July 19, 2006 05:13 PM

* Thanks to [rezaGroper], our team of so-called humor writers with far too much time on their hands are now going to be forced to go out & find a real job.

For crying out loud, what is the point of having a humor writer when the leader of ["the most powerful country in the world"] addresses his main ally with a "Yo Blair" & then proceeds to tell him that the problems in the Middle East would be solved if they would just "stop doing this shit." Is Dave Chappelle doing the voiceover while bush just sits there?

If that weren't enough, today we get the video of bush giving German leader Angela Merkel an unexpected back rub. I'd like to see him pull that one on Gerhard Schroeder or Helmut Kohl.

Only a couple of months ago [drunkie] cheney shot a guy in the face when he mistook him for a bird. Doesn't this all make humorists & comedians superfluous? And on a seperate note: will bush have to pay the fine for the networks every time they show him using the s-word? [or giving the world the middle finger http://youtube.com/watch?v=o9Do-s1cdPk&mode=related&search=Bush%20finger ]... http://www.chortler.com/24777bushmerk.shtml

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 19, 2006 05:22 PM

My feelings of calm come through seeing a giant wave from the Divine Mother as washing and purifying the fire of dinosaur patriarchal cultures. The recents tsunamis are just a microcasm. If people's mindsets have not yet evolved to a level of seeing the overall and the details at the same time then they are severely stuck in an old way and will be in jumbled in their heads and not calm the heart.
I'm kinda feeling sorry for fundies because they manifest their fears into reality making earth's paradise a living hell. Like addiction, the mindset is stuck like a skipping record, they do not have the tools to stop the mindset, how sad. Where I will not allow it comes in their projections of their interests onto the world stage. Misery loves company.
The giant wave of the Divine Mother will not hold this energy anymore. Why you see so many in the world of politics die such painful deaths, talk about' bring it on', the dis-ease in their emotional bodies cannot tolerate the poison.
While the fighting continues I feel calm and safe with a knowing that if it's my time to leave the earth then so be it and at least I'll be happy and fufilled, living dharmicaly.

Can hate sayers say that? Doubt it. They just come from smalltowns with small experiences, where smallmindessness lives. Maybe it's ok to hatebait in that small world but in the macrocasm of cyberspace it will be challenged.

Posted by: bhakti on July 19, 2006 05:37 PM

oh bhakti, that is so wrong. It's not the size of one's world that matters, but the size of one's heart.

Posted by: Peg on July 19, 2006 05:44 PM

First of all, I was not intending to race bait. If it would have been 4 Mickey Kouse's that showed up I would have stated that. Secondly, the spirits that showed up were ancient. It was a way of describing what I saw. Spirits and beings present themselves in ways we can understand them when they are trying to make a point.

Now, the eneries shifted from light to very dark in a matter of a second, but I did not feel alarmed. It was like they absorbed all of the light. I think they are unsure of what is taking place and will allow the energy after a few more tries.

Very interesting SAlly that others are feeling and 'seeing' the same thing. I think we are dealing with some extreme forces that are not to be tampered with. Could be the reason for all of the turmoil. For a few thousand years something or someone has been trying to unlock whatever is being hidden there and it's just not to be.

Posted by: Cybear on July 19, 2006 06:22 PM

Sally, I willl check out the book. It sounds interesting.

Posted by: Cybear on July 19, 2006 06:23 PM


Bush Gropes, Planet Cringes
Knead a German chancellor, banter dumbly, reveal global ignorance. It's Dubya abroad!

- By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist
Wednesday, July 19, 2006

So now we know.

I mean, we sort of thought we knew, before, what kind of guy George W. Bush is, essentially our very own inept, inarticulate ex-alcoholic ex-frat-guy failed-businessman pseudo-leader who famously appeals to the most God-fearin' and least educated and least attuned among us because he is, well, one of them.

We thought we had him pegged: Just a casual and aw-shucks sort of walkin', talkin', war-happy embarrassment to the country who was rumored to be a Genuinely Nice Guy in person but who, when he traveled abroad, nevertheless caused the entire nation to pre-emptively cringe in preparation for all sorts of imminent humiliations and lots of hilarious-yet-excruciating new material for "The Complete Bushisms."

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2006/07/19/notes071906.DTL&type=printable

Posted by: wv on July 19, 2006 06:29 PM


What was revealed by that open mike

- Robert Scheer, Creators Syndicate, Inc.

Wednesday, July 19, 2006


BOMBS WERE exploding and innocents were dying, from Beirut to Haifa to Baghdad, and yet George W. Bush managed to pose for yet another photo-op, smiling as he gave the thumbs up at the close of the G8 summit in St. Petersburg. Thanks to an unsuspected open mike, however, we caught a glimpse of the mind set of a leader unaccountably pleased with his ignorance of the world.

What seemed to interest him most at that farewell get-together of leaders bitterly divided over a disintegrating Mideast was not some last-minute proposal for peace, but rather the fact that it would take China President Hu Jintao eight hours to fly home from St. Petersburg to Beijing.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/07/19/EDGOBIPV8B1.DTL&type=printable

Posted by: wv on July 19, 2006 06:37 PM

Those who have a superiority complex will never reach enlightenment.

Posted by: Cybear on July 19, 2006 06:40 PM

I'm talking in the overall, the metaphor of the smalltown in one's limited unexpanded soul and mindset. Doesn't feel good to have the finger pointed one's way. That's the heart, empathy to to take in and feel what is usually given out so thoughtlessly and gratuitously.

Cybear, your clarification was helpful, thanks.

Posted by: bhakti on July 19, 2006 06:49 PM

Hey if I sounded rude or graniose, I apologize. I shure don't feel very grand and certainly not superior to anyone.

I do sincerely apologize.

Posted by: Pat C on July 19, 2006 07:20 PM

Senate approves proposal to revamp, rename FEMA

Times-Picayune Thursday, July 13, 2006

Legislation that would replace the Federal Emergency Management Agency with a new entity that would remain part of the Department of Homeland Security but report directly to the president during major disasters is nearing final Senate approval.
The proposal to replace FEMA with what sponsors call the Emergency Management Authority was added to a Homeland Security spending bill that is expected to win final Senate passage later this week. After the vote for the new agency, the Senate rejected an alternative proposal by Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., that would return the agency to independent status it enjoyed before a 2003 reorganization.

Posted by: Pat C on July 19, 2006 07:31 PM

Pentagon Papers Author Daniel Ellsberg Says Government May Have Carried Out 9/11
Daniel Ellsberg, speaking on air to GCN radio host Jack Blood, stated his concerns that criminal elements of the US government were psychologically capable to have carried out 9/11. He warned that within days after a US military strike on Iran that Bush's handlers would probably stage some type of terror attack in the West to legitimize the new war.
Ellsberg went on to state that another major Reichstag-like state-sponsored attack would be followed by a martial law scenario which might include detention camps for American dissenters.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/terror/pentagon_papers_author_gov_maybe_did_911.htm

Posted by: Philomena on July 19, 2006 07:36 PM

Do you agree with U.S. policy in the Mideast?

http://www.cnn.com/?section=cnn_topstories


Poll is toward the bottom righthand side.

Posted by: Morgana on July 19, 2006 07:43 PM

Pat C...That was a statement to help one awaken, but not directed at anyone. It's about Loving Kindness and Compassion.

How can one be enlilghtened if one believes him or herself to be superior?

Posted by: Cybear on July 19, 2006 08:01 PM

I would think they can't Cybear. Ego and passion on the baser level and all that....but there's much still to learn.

Posted by: Pat C on July 19, 2006 08:05 PM

Sally's quote from Voltaire reminded me of the words of an american lit teacher in college who described an author's point of view by using a farm analogy: "You cant grow anything in hard, dry land. You have to plow it up to give the seeds a chance to grow." Although i have been horrified by the chaos tht is going on here and in the ME, maybe it has to get this bad to get everyone's attention on the same page - - which is absolutely necessary for any change to occur. Cyber, maybe that is why the light energy is being thwarted now. On this planet, light and dark co-exist. Dark has to manifest to know what light is. . .

Posted by: on July 19, 2006 08:10 PM

needing some laughter - does anyone have a link to george trying to fondle the german chancellor? i apologize in advance if a video link was already posted -- i've only been able to find still shots after a google search.

Posted by: stefanie on July 19, 2006 08:25 PM

stefanie

Bush grope video

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-marsh/bush-gropes-germanys-mer_b_25317.html

Posted by: Morgana on July 19, 2006 09:21 PM

thanks, morgana! so much revulsion and hilarity in five seconds of video, oh my....

Posted by: stefanie on July 19, 2006 09:51 PM

Ms. Merkle, the German Chancellor loves George Bush even if she doesn't want to, their aspects fit like a hand and a glove. Wonder however if politically she will be forced to place some distance. England is cracking up over this and indicating that Mr. Blair as been spurned for the German. Even if the poor woman loved the massage and needed it, she has been Liberman'd, only instead of "the kiss" she got "a massage."

It's been interesting the last several days as I went about my "pay the bills work," I have had a meeting everyday for a week with at least one Jewish person. Now I probably do every week but it wouldn't come up and wouldn't catch my attention. What caught my attention with this is every single one of them sat down and immediately asked me what I thought of the middle east. I said what I have been saying, "I don't care who is to blame or when it started, it needs to stop, innocent people should not have to endure this violent "guy" video play." Everyone of them then started lambasting Israel and four of them grew up in Israel and one used to work for the government there. I found myself trying to talk to them about Israel's side. They have all talked about the ridiculousness of nationalism, loyality to a religion instead of the human race, I certainly learned a lot about the situation, especially from this one guy who used to work in the government there. But the conversations were exactly what they are on this board. I think everyone is so war weary. This one guy said to me "I don't see one iota of difference between the religious zealots in the Christian, Jewish or Muslim faith and are we all going to be held hostage to their individual version of God until all but they are dead? Do the rest of us have to die while they are killing each other?"

He was pretty passionate about the whole thing and all I wanted was a sponsorship for my latest event. He also said "this is an old testament war, and they (the middle east) will blow it all up before they smoke any peace pipe." He also told me that there are Christians living in Israel waiting for the rapture and he was certain they were estatic.

Posted by: Sally on July 19, 2006 10:20 PM

arghhhh....

United States to Israel: you have one more week to blast Hizbullah

Bush 'gave green light' for limited attack, say Israeli and UK sources

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1823817,00.html


jerks.

Posted by: Morgana on July 19, 2006 10:31 PM

Sally wrote: "My father said once "everyone is prejudice and it's nothing to be proud of, but if we don't recognize our own prejudices we lose the opportunity to heal them."


Sally, I once saw an ugly, very prejudicist side of me and it was ugly. The experience was painful but very healing and maturing. I think that it came out of a defense mechanism that at one time was adaptive when I was younger, but became maladaptive as I got older. Besically, I became "operationally defiant".

Being mixed I felt that I was too white to fit into mestizo culture, yet not white enough to fit in anglo society. Likewise, I hated straight men so much, but it was out of jealousy. I developed these feelings slowly, so slow that I didn't realize I was becoming a bigot myself. It takes work and strength to see the ugly side of yourself and it's not pretty.

I used to think that I was an "old soul" but I don't think that now. Don't get me wrong, I love who I am becuase I have also seen the better part of me. But, I quess I am saying is that ultimately the journey to self awareness is an individual journey and not the journey of a peoples. I totally agree with you.

Posted by: Travieso on July 19, 2006 10:55 PM

A good and terrifying point was brought up on Hardball tonight and that is if the US attacks Iran, the thousands of troops in Iraq would suddenly become hostages to the Shi'a as would every American in the Middle East. It would put every American in the Middle East at horrific risk, they would be taken prisoners, murdered etc. The entire Shi'a population would rise up in violence. Bush is an idiot, and the world's governments are close behind him.

Posted by: Sally on July 19, 2006 11:00 PM

Bush - Stoned? Drunk? Medicated? Retarded? Presidential Tester for the Pharmaceutical Industry? You Decide........
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Wed, 07/19/2006 - 3:06pm. Reader Contribution
A BUZZFLASH READER CONTRIBUTION
by Ruth Lopez

Bush is fried. He's either drinking, smoking pot, medicated, or some combination of all of them. Either that or the man has taken a one-way trip to crazy town.

Watch his gibberish at the G8, especially the bizarre stuff about how long the plane flights to various countries are. If you take out the comments of the other leaders (because they actually sound intelligent and not like drunken bar talk) and just read what Bush says, he sounds just like someone who is more than half looped.

"Gotta go home. Gotta do sumthin tonight. Get ona plane. Go home. It's a long flight. How long is your flight? That's a long flight. Your country is big. His country is big too." Retarded or stoned, you decide.
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/contributors/312

Posted by: Philomena on July 20, 2006 12:01 AM

That Philo is the elephant in the room.

Posted by: Morgana on July 20, 2006 12:13 AM



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Last update - 16:13 19/07/2006

America's deadly messenger
By Shmuel Rosner

WASHINGTON - Across from UN headquarters in New York, Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat, New York) stood at a small podium adorned with the symbol of the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations to give a speech in praise of Israel. Behind her and at her sides - a group of men in gray: Israel's Ambassador to the UN, Danny Gillerman, the chairman of the Conference of Presidents, Malcolm Hoenlein, the Israeli Consul General in New York, Arye Mekel. Mummified in their neckties in the sweltering heat of the east coast, serious of mien, nodding. "We will stand with Israel, because Israel is standing for American values as well as Israeli ones," Clinton said. Here you have it - the whole foreign relations Torah on one slightly perspiring foot.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=740362

Posted by: wv on July 20, 2006 12:14 AM

Bhakti wrote:hey just come from smalltowns with small experiences, where smallmindessness lives. Maybe it's ok to hatebait in that small world but in the macrocasm of cyberspace it will be challenged

Bhakti, that is SO living in the big apple of NYC!

on the otherhand, I understand on the theoretical level what you are saying. But it kind of contradicts the idea of looking at each person as an individual....

which is what dealing with parallax views is all about. Holding two views diametrically opposed but both the truth. Small town small mindedness exists, as does arrogance bred from the big ones. Lots of MLAs no matter where we look.

If you can stomoach it, look at the video in Lebanon from yesterday's strikes....those dark spirits are there. My astro teacher had said they were, had described them, I never believed it...but have since had similar experience; and Sally, you are so right about the descent from the good and light to the depths of the darkness. It makes my head swim and spin. Many many rocks in the road to an open heart. http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/GRAPHIC_Images_of_suffering_death_on_0719.html

Posted by: judigem on July 20, 2006 12:19 AM

Morgna, is Philo an elephant in the room? I thought she ws a democrat....

need some commas? got a sale on 'em.....

Posted by: judigem on July 20, 2006 12:24 AM

judigem -- I knew what Morgana meant -- Bush is the elephant in the room with everyone else pretending to be blind. LOL I see him more as the village idiot in the room.

I have a great joke to post about Bush dying and going to hell.

Be right back!

Posted by: Philomena on July 20, 2006 12:28 AM

that should be Morgana.

Macs are great computers, wouldn't be with out em. but the keyboard stinks, but it is pretty. Drops my letters so often....but it is new, won't replace. Or maybe I just need stronger fingers. And I was a typist for a year, too! (you know, even before electric ones. They were better than this keyboard.)

Just looking at the video from Lebanon, you can feel the dark spirits, gathering their fallen ...... but not the children, I hope. So many women and children....

Posted by: judigem on July 20, 2006 12:28 AM

Philo, I knew what Morgana meant too, but I just couldn't pass up the joke.

Posted by: judigem on July 20, 2006 12:29 AM

George Bush has a heart attack and dies. He goes to hell where the
Devil is waiting for him.

"I don't know what to do here," says the Devil.
"You're on my list but I have no room for you, but you definitely have to stay here, so I'll tell you what I'm going to do. I've got 3 people here who weren't quite as bad as you. I'll let one of them
go, but you have to take their place. I'll even let YOU decide who leaves."

George thought that sounded pretty good, so he agreed. The devil
opened the first room.

In it was Ted Kennedy and a large pool of water. He kept resurfacing
over and over and over, gasping for air. Such was his fate in hell.

"No!" George said. "I don't think so. I'm not a good swimmer and don't
think I could do that all day long."

The devil led him to the next room.
In it was Tony Blair with a sledgehammer and a room full of rocks.
All he did was swing that hammer, time after time after time, and more
rocks appeared. "No! I've got this problem with my shoulder. I would
be in constant agony if all I could do was break rocks all day!"
commented George.

The devil opened a third door.
In it, George saw Bill Clinton lying naked on the floor with his arms staked over his head and his legs staked in spread eagle pose.
Bent over him was Monica Lewinsky, doing what she does best.

George Bush looked at this in disbelief for a while and finally said, Yeah, I can
handle this.

" The devil smiled and said... "Monica, you're free to go!"

Posted by: Philomena on July 20, 2006 12:33 AM

Cybear...you know the movie "Ghost"? the spirits, the dark ones, are what my astro teacher referred to as 'real'.....and from reading the web site on the NDE experiences, several people who had those experiences had encountered quite dark spirits. I believe the astral plane is rife with them; this is why the Tibetans wrote their Book of the Dead....to teach the ways to pass thru the 40 days after death and not be pulled under by the dark and malevelance.

Posted by: judigem on July 20, 2006 12:34 AM

great levity you guys, LOL. I think the stories about the dark entities are fascinating, and you are so right judi about the astral plane. I think we all should pay very close attention to our dreams these days. I know my son & I both felt very "weighted down" last night in ours. We both are pretty spiritually sensitive, although he doesn't know that about himself yet, lol.

Posted by: Peg on July 20, 2006 12:40 AM

Ivanov said that while Russia has ratified the treaty, “this does not mean we have stopped work in the nuclear sphere,” RIA-Novosti quoted Ivanov as saying.
Ivanov, President Vladimir Putin and other officials have repeatedly stressed that Russia intends to maintain strong nuclear capabilities.
Ivanov last week announced plans to deploy new intercontinental ballistic missiles, saying that the nation needs a strong nuclear deterrent to protect itself from foreign “blackmail” - a comment referring at least in part to potential pressure from the United States.
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/07/19/nuketests.shtml

Posted by: Philomena on July 20, 2006 12:47 AM

Speaking of dark entities -- I recieved my first psycho threat email today.

Susan Ritter wrote: in the book of Isaiah it is written....You will one day be awaken and see the maggots and the worms in your coffin and you will scream and no one will hear you....tis...said the LORD.

Its only the begining my friend.

Best Regards

Wolfchief

P.S You have been advised

my reply back to the psycho was:
I am forwarding this email to Yahoo security and your account will be deleted. Please stop your psychotic nonsense. I am an atheist. Your wacko biblical bs means nothing to me. CS

Posted by: Philomena on July 20, 2006 12:52 AM

no Bush the drunk, stoned, loaded, sedated GOP bloody pink (red/white) GOP elephant. Philo is good, not an elephant. :)

Posted by: Morgana on July 20, 2006 01:08 AM



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Last update - 08:32 19/07/2006

ANALYSIS: Nasrallah's terms of surrender will be hard to change

By Zvi Bar'el, Haaretz Correspondent

After all that has taken place so far in Lebanon, nothing has succeeded in altering the basic equation: Any diplomatic solution will have to pass through the Lebanese political grinder and gain Hezbollah's agreement. "Everything is up in the air" according to Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, including direct and indirect talks with Hezbollah, and therefore nothing has changed since before the outbreak of fighting

The question is not only what will stop Israel's onslaught but also what will the conditions be that will allow Hassan Nasrallah to nod approvingly. Mediators heard about what may work in a meeting with Nabih Berri, a "contact person" to Hezbollah, the speaker of Lebanon's parliament and head of Amal, another Shi'ite group. According to Berri, even if the United Nations decides to deploy a "significant" force to south Lebanon, it will need Nasrallah's approval, otherwise such a force will be involved in incessant fighting and Israel will continue to suffer missile attacks.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=739999

Posted by: wv on July 20, 2006 01:20 AM

I'm not sure anyone here really wants to look, but informationclearinghouse.info has some really, really horribly disturbing photographs up of the war in Lebanon. I decided I would take a peek which of course turned into actually looking as one can't really peek at such things.... needless to say, it's changed my day (month, year, whatever).

Posted by: Lynda Hill on July 20, 2006 01:47 AM

Zeese Writes Cardin Urging Him to Speak Out Against Israel's Invasion of the Gaza Strip
Tuesday, 11 July 2006
Below are a series of letters Kevin Zeese has written to Rep. Ben Cardin concerning Israel's invasion of the Gaza Strip. Zeese is urging Cardin, a long-time, ardent supporter of Israel, to stop the sin of silence and speak out against Israel's illegal actions against the Palestinian people.
Rep. Ben Cardin
2207 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515
Via email rep.cardin@mail.house.gov
Re: Israel’s invasion of Gaza and your continued ‘sin of silence’ on the matter
Dear Rep. Cardin:
This is the third letter I have written to you urging you to speak out against Israel’s invasion of the Gaza Strip. More than fifty Palestinians have been killed so far, including women and children, homes have been bombed as has the electric station and government buildings. Elected officials have been kidnapped and Israel has threatened political assassination. Prime Minister Olmert promises this will continue for at least three months, but maybe even longer. This is all being done with money and equipment provided by U.S. taxpayers. You have voted to provide these resources to Israel and now you remain silent as Israel misuses them. The sin of silence in the face of the destruction of a group of people needs to come to an end.

Does your silence mean you approve of Israel’s actions? Or, does it merely mean you will not criticize Israel? Or, does it mean you raise too much money from the hard right Israeli lobby and therefore will not criticize Israel despite their abuse of the Palestinian people? Don’t you think that as a candidate to represent the State of Maryland you should let the voters know where you stand on this issue?

http://kevinzeese.com/content/view/161/34/

Posted by: Philomena on July 20, 2006 02:17 AM

Kristol Suggests People of Iran Would Embrace U.S. Attack, Triggering Regime Change
This morning on Fox, Bill Kristol continued to escalate his calls for war against Iran, stating, “We can try diplomacy. I’m not very hopeful about that. We have to be ready to use force.” Kristol claimed the people of Iran would embrace “the right use of targeted military force.” He added that military force could “trigger changes in Iran,” causing them to embrace regime change. Watch it.
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/19/kristol-iran/

LOL - We dislike our regime too. It doesn’t mean that we’re hoping that China invades us to give us a new one.

Posted by: Philomena on July 20, 2006 02:25 AM

http://www.gregpalast.com/section/articles

Don’t check the casket. I know he’s back. When I saw those lights flickering out at La Guardia Airport yesterday and heard the eerie shrieks and moans in the dark, broiling subway tunnels, I just knew it: Ken Lay’s alive! We can see his spirit in every flickering lightbulb from Kansas to Queens as we head into America’s annual Blackout season.

It wasn’t always so. For decades, America had nearly the best, most reliable electricity system on the planet and, though we grumbled, electricity bills were among the planet’s lowest. It was all thanks to Franklin Roosevelt and the Public Utility Holding Company Act which allowed for tough regulation of the power monopolies. They were told what they could charge, the maximum profit they could take and — what I think about when the lights dim — exactly how much they had to invest to keep the juice flowing.

But then, in 1992, a Texas oil man, George H.W. Bush, ordered to evacuate the White House by two-thirds of the US electorate, gave his Houston crony, Ken Lay, a billion-dollar good-bye kiss: Bush’s signature authorizing deregulation of electricity.


But Lay’s operation didn’t pick up the really big bucks until after December 21, 1994, when the Enron chief wrote to the incoming governor of Texas, George W. Bush, asking the Governor-elect to grant him a special wish for Christmas:

“The Public Utility Commission appointment is an extremely critical one. We believe Pat Wood is best qualified?. Linda joins me in wishing you and Laura and the whole family a joyous holiday. - Sincerely, Ken.”

And Georgie-Boy granted Kenny-Boy’s wish, appointing Wood and thereby giving Texans an electricity regulator who stumped for Ken Lay’s right to earn unlimited profits without any obligation to keep the lights on. Thus, by 1995, electricity deregulation had a foothold in the Lone Star state that would spread nationwide like Dutch Elm Disease.

More...

Posted by: Pat C on July 20, 2006 02:27 AM

JudiG, Peg, those dark spirits are spooky, but there are even scarier beings on the astral. Some more horrific than others. And even spookier is some of these things incarnate among us. There are many types of spirits in this realm and the astral.

Thankfully, I don't run across them too often, but when I do I pay closer attention to things. Most of the time I see brilliant light beings and Buddhas. So when these dark beings came around I was like, hmmmm.

Posted by: Cybear on July 20, 2006 03:38 AM

Why have religions?
What is absolutely astounding is that so many people -- ostensibly good, loving, and religiously dedicated souls -- have enthusiastically accepted inane and incredulous religious justifications for untold and unlimited destruction, killing, maiming, and torturing. It has always been the height of irony that all the dictates of religions advocating righteousness and correct living have been so easily ignored by those religions who have been more than eager to condone any action in "defense of the faith", but which are diametrically opposed to the religions' dogmas, laws, and allegedly ethical standards.
http://www.halexandria.org/dward838.htm

Posted by: Philo on July 20, 2006 03:52 AM

speaking of the astral plane, i've been meaning to share a dream i had last summer. i remembered it a few weeks ago when the chaos errupted in gaza, prior to the horrible events in lebanon. i dreamt that there was a peace summit in the middle east. i'm not sure in what country, but somewhere in the region. up at the podium was mammoud abbas, speaking about the treaty that was to be signed. there were two other lecterns on the stage, but both were empty - the two other signers weren't up on stage yet. suddenly out of the audience many masked men with machine guns rose up and began shooting -- assasinating abbas. they were terrifying and i assumed they were terrorists, but i recall not knowing exactly where from. i was watching this unfold on television, apparently, because next ted koppel turned to the camera with a grave expression. it panned in close to his face, and he said "this is the beginning of the end of the world". i woke up stunned and terrified, and began to research prophecies regarding mamoud abbas. found nothing, forgot about it. but i feel its resonance now, since abbas was apparently in jordan with the israelies working on a peace deal of some sort in the last few weeks and hamas was about to recognize israel in some way through a treaty exactly when the soldier was kidnapped. tell me if i'm overthinking this, because it's freaking me out a bit. i have a moon/neptune conjunction in the third house, venus in pisces, and pluto in the 12th and have had disturbing psychic dreams in the past. has anyone dreamt of anything similar in the last year or so?

Posted by: stefanie on July 20, 2006 03:57 AM

End Israel's Crimes Against Humanity & Aggression
US National Lawyers Guild
Press Release: US National Lawyers Guild
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
July 20, 2006

NATIONAL LAWYERS GUILD URGES ALL TO ACT NOW TO PROTEST AND END ISRAEL'S CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY & BRUTAL AGGRESSION AGAINST PALESTINE AND LEBANON

Israel's violence and aggression against the people of Palestine and Lebanon has already cost the lives of hundreds of people and may provoke a horrific regional or global war. The recent devastation in Palestine and Lebanon magnifies the ever-present reality of the brutal, violent, and racist occupation of Palestine and continued aggression against Lebanon. It is imperative for all people of conscience to stand in solidarity with our Palestinian and Lebanese brothers and sisters in their struggle against Israeli and U.S. occupation, aggression and imperialism. It is also imperative that we continue to fight for an end to the U.S. occupation in Iraq.

The National Lawyers Guild (NLG) encourages local chapters to hold Press Conferences, Teach-Ins, Vigils and other activities in their cities and/or law schools to bring attention to the deadly Israeli military attacks on Palestine and Lebanon and to organize for the National Emergency March to Defend the People of Palestine and Lebanon on August 12th in Washington, D.C., San Francisco, and Los Angeles. The August 12th March is organized by the A.N.S.W.E.R. (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism) coalition, and the National Lawyers Guild has officially endorsed this action.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0607/S00365.htm


Posted by: Philomena on July 20, 2006 04:45 AM

End Israel's Crimes Against Humanity & Aggression
US National Lawyers Guild
Press Release: US National Lawyers Guild
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
July 20, 2006

NATIONAL LAWYERS GUILD URGES ALL TO ACT NOW TO PROTEST AND END ISRAEL'S CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY & BRUTAL AGGRESSION AGAINST PALESTINE AND LEBANON

Israel's violence and aggression against the people of Palestine and Lebanon has already cost the lives of hundreds of people and may provoke a horrific regional or global war. The recent devastation in Palestine and Lebanon magnifies the ever-present reality of the brutal, violent, and racist occupation of Palestine and continued aggression against Lebanon. It is imperative for all people of conscience to stand in solidarity with our Palestinian and Lebanese brothers and sisters in their struggle against Israeli and U.S. occupation, aggression and imperialism. It is also imperative that we continue to fight for an end to the U.S. occupation in Iraq.

The National Lawyers Guild (NLG) encourages local chapters to hold Press Conferences, Teach-Ins, Vigils and other activities in their cities and/or law schools to bring attention to the deadly Israeli military attacks on Palestine and Lebanon and to organize for the National Emergency March to Defend the People of Palestine and Lebanon on August 12th in Washington, D.C., San Francisco, and Los Angeles. The August 12th March is organized by the A.N.S.W.E.R. (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism) coalition, and the National Lawyers Guild has officially endorsed this action.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0607/S00365.htm


Posted by: Philomena on July 20, 2006 04:45 AM

Countering Zionist propaganda about Hizbullah and Lebanon
Henry Lowi- Redress, July 19, 2006
Henry Lowi asks searching questions, the answers to which would debunk Zionist propaganda about Hizbullah. He says that misery, death and destruction will continue until the people of Palestine, Arabs and Jews, rise up to overthrow the Zionist pyromaniacs and poisoners of wells.

In the current Israel-Lebanon conflict (in which my relatives' home in Carmiel has been destroyed, and visiting Lebanese Canadians have been incinerated in South Lebanon), the propaganda war is key. Here are some quick points to remember in the propaganda war:

1. Israel says that the Lebanese government is in violation of UN resolutions that require the Lebanese government to exercise state sovereignty in southern Lebanon, and disarm the militias.

We ask:

Since when does Israel comply with UN resolutions?
Since when does Israel respect state sovereignty?
2. Hizbullah is denounced as a "terrorist" organization by the army that it defeated.

We ask:

Since its founding in 1982, how many non-combatant Israeli civilians has Hizbullah killed?
In that same period, how many non-combatant Lebanese civilians have the Israeli forces killed?
3. Hizbullah is accused of having raided into sovereign Israeli territory and attacked and killed and captured Israeli soldiers on border patrol.

We ask:

Since its founding, how many Israeli soldiers has Hizbullah killed inside Israel?
How many Israeli soldiers has Hizbullah killed inside Lebanon?
How many Lebanese, captured by Israel inside Lebanon, is Israel holding?
4. Hizbullah has weapons that go beyond the traditional guerrilla arsenal, obviously supplied to it by Syria or Iran or both. At the same time, the Lebanese state has no air defences to speak of, and its armed forces play no role in defending the people of Lebanon.

We ask:

Why shouldn't a guerrilla organization, operating in southern Lebanon, have weapons, including longer-range rockets? Is Lebanon not threatened by its southern "neighbour"?
Aren't the Israeli forces fully armed, in fact, better armed?
5. The idea that, alongside Israel there should be a "demilitarized Palestinian state" (Geneva Agreement) or a Lebanon armed only with rifles, is an idea that goes hand-in-hand with domination and subjugation. In any war, each side seeks to disarm, dominate and subjugate the other, and each side seeks the weapons that are appropriate for that purpose.

We ask:

So, what is Israel's complaint?
Which states are the suppliers of Israel's arsenal? Who supplies what?
Israeli Chief of Staff Dan Halutz said that Israel is "changing the rules of the game" in Lebanon, and warned that "nothing is safe in Lebanon, as simple as that". But, everyone knows that what goes around comes around. That is why people are fleeing Haifa southward or taking cover in fortified rooms. The lives of Israeli non-combatant civilians are of no concern to Halutz. Nor are the lives of Israeli soldiers captured in battle. All are victims of Israeli militarism.

The familiar dance of death, orchestrated by the Israeli militarists and ethnic cleansers, will continue, with ebbs and flows, with ceasefires and "peace processes" and open conflagrations, with unimaginable misery, death and destruction, UNTIL the people of Palestine, Arabs and Jews, rise up to "change the rules of the game", to overthrow the Zionist pyromaniacs and poisoners of wells, and to rebuild the country on a new basis, on a basis that respects democracy and human rights and good-neighbourly relations.

All anti-war efforts in Israel, and all solidarity efforts abroad, should be directed to this goal.
www.redress.btinternet.co.uk/hlowi9.htm

Posted by: Philo on July 20, 2006 04:59 AM

I love the phrase, 'no one likes the Zionists, not even the Jews...'

Israel Bit Off More Than It Can Chew
What goes around comes around. Israel can't destroy the entire Middle East and they can last in a war of attrition forever. The writing is on the wall Israel is doomed. Without heavy US support Israel would fall flat on its face. They cannot maintain control of the US forever, their largest lobbying group AIPAC has been caught spying on the US and that case involves two PNAC authors. The judge can keep moving back the trial date but not forever. The world is going to know who rents our congress and who was spying on the US, AGAIN.

Israel has bitten off more than it can chew. The race card and the religion acard are not going to save them this time. No one in the world likes dead children and this time without the controlled embedded media, and Israel's Zionist Media allies in the Us, the pictures and truth are leaking out.

more....
http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?p=13363

Posted by: Philo on July 20, 2006 05:14 AM

Israel Prepares to Invade Syria
Saturday July 15th 2006, 8:13 am
As to be expected, the story about a Hezbollah drone hitting an Israeli warship was tweaked this morning to fit the emerging agenda. “Senior Israeli army officers said Saturday that the rocket which hit an Israeli missile boat off the Lebanese coast Friday night was an Iranian-built radar-guided C-802,” reports the Bangkok Post.

How Israel mistook an “aircraft rigged with explosives” for a missile, as the Associated Press reports, is not explained. However, blaming Iran certainly fits the picture, as both Israel and the United States are trying to drag Iran and Syria into Israel’s invasion of Lebanon and thus widen the conflict, as planned.
more..
http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=458

Posted by: Philo on July 20, 2006 05:41 AM

I know that this sounds off subject, but I watched The Constant Gardener tonight.....John Le Carre' always wrote the best spy books....and it is about big pharma. Somehow it all relates to this except it is pharma and not oil and ancient prejudices.

By the way, I remember seeing a PBS thing years ago on Armageddon....the place, that is. It has faded, the story, but the jist is that it was a town on a spot where several trading routes came together. (I think it was Geddon)...and periodically, different tribes and factions would try to 'own' it....as that would control the trade routes. Over the centuries it was built and rebuilt constantly from the wars that tore it down. So it became famous....immortalized as the place of total destruction....And the New Testement Revelations did the rest.

Posted by: judigem on July 20, 2006 06:43 AM

Cybear, Peg...first time I ever heard about 'entity' forms, it was Robert Monroe's book...what was it, Journey out of Body? back in the 1970's....basically they exist as thought forms.

I don't think mankind has a clue about what minds can do....or the real levels of consciousness....but I suspect that extra dimensions are getting some attention scientifically.

During the time that Pluto hit my ascendant and then squared my Venus, Pluto, Moon and No. NOde/Chiron, I experienced some real altered states. No drugs...just 'way out there'. What a carnival that was....

Posted by: judigem on July 20, 2006 06:51 AM

b Beat 'em for Jesus! The unhappy childhood of Dr. James Dobson http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/7938.html

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 20, 2006 07:03 AM

"Israel Bit Off More Than It Can Chew" http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?p=13363

Exactly, Philo... the article exposed the whole Zionist tripping which has long needed exposing to the public.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 20, 2006 09:07 AM

Mebbe at some point, the same will be done about the moonies, another global religio-wrapped con-game, & xianoidism.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 20, 2006 09:10 AM

Israel has what it takes to lay any and all of her enemies to waste. It’s just a question of escalation and political will.

Israel could end this current conflict by tonight if they wanted to, but they’d face international condemnation for reducing Lebanon- and Hezbollah- to glowing green shards of glass.

Posted by: Annet on July 20, 2006 12:34 PM

Well... & I don't see Israel, or any other piece of real estate, as a "she." That "she" stuff, for cars, boats, houses, shacks, motorcycles, wrenches/hammers, computers, oil cans... anything put together by guys it would appear... is thoroughly dishonest... as projections always are. If there's any pronoun that s/b used for these "things," it s/b a "he," then. See if using "he" doesn't change the whole "Hole-y" tone & reveal a whole new understanding... particuarly when looking at huge swathes of public domain the govt now thinks it owns & has privatized. ;O)

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 20, 2006 03:25 PM

...the pronoun s/b an "IT." TaHA!!

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 20, 2006 03:27 PM

...the boyz do call their god a "he" however. What does THAT tell you. A love-affair with a he-god sounds pretty "gay" to me. As I heard recently as a slogan, much to my amusement, "Be Gay for Christ," or "I'm Gay for Christ"... whatever. ;O)

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 20, 2006 03:32 PM

An idiosyncrosy, however, is that real estate still retains its "she" status even when IT is a god, such as Israel.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 20, 2006 03:35 PM

ere is an letter from an Israeli that is making the rounds by e-mail. I thought it would give you a bird's eye view into how someone living in Israel is feeling as well as show another aspect of the situation. Yes, it seems Israel has more military power and has done more damage. What many are not recognizing, however, is that groups like Hezbollah and Hamas want this tso happen because they WANT to draw Israel into a war that will inflict as much damage as possible to Israel, with the goal many have had since 1948 - to destroy Israel (which some of you seem to feel is OK even though Israel was given 1% of the land in the mideast and 75% of that land was then given to form Trans-Jordan). Israel may be guilty of having used its necessarily built up military overmuch, but Israel is reapeatedly provoked from both fronts. How can the so-called Zionists want peace when many of its neighbors don't? And don't fool yourself for an instant. The governments and leadership can be changed, but it's very unlikedly that those involved in Jihad and terrorism will go away that easily. They are waiting for the right moment to strike "their enemies." Yes, they hate the U.S. for supporting Israel, but they also hate the U.S. for many other reasons, and hating leads to killing the infidel. Israel may be guilty of not treating the Palestinians better, but what many do not want to recognize is that the Arab nations have also intentionally put the Palestinian Arabs into this situation. Palestinians rose up in 2 separate Intafadas, fighting first with rocks and then with terroist acts against civilians. Israel did not re-act the way it does today. For a long time, Israel used tear gas and rubber bullets against the rock-throwers (rocks don't sound harmful but actually were dangerous) but then the rock throwers became suicide bombers. I understand the extreme emotions that created suicide bombers but the fact remains these were acts of war against civilians. Eventually, Israel decided to use stronger measures and continues to do so today (including the wall). Meanwhile, much of the aid and funds channeled to the Palestinians was used to fund terrorism instead of developing the country and teaching constructive ways to develop. Their maps did not have Israel on them and children were given school books with anti-Israel information. This has been a war since 1948 and both sides have their own way of fighting it. Israel has become strong in the last 50 years, with the help of the U.S. If this hadn't happened, there would be no Israel and Israel has the right to exist. Everything it is done has been with the intention of defending itself, NOT with the intention of expanding or overtaking anyone. It is a very small country and it won other land when it was attacked by other countries. The reason it had not returned the land was because it would make those borders vulnerable. I am not saying this is the entire situation. Of course there are 2 side. Here is the email.

"I just wanted to write everyone to say hi and update you on the situation.

I wish I could calm you and that I had good news .. . but things are awful here .. . just awful. Seriously, there is this heavy atmosphere, less people go out, nobody is smiling. .. when I walk down the streets in Tel Aviv, all I hear through open windows are TV's and radios that people are listening to in order to hear about the latest threat and the latest death toll in the north. I can't read the newspapers without starting to cry . .. listening to news updates every hour there is another name read of someone else who has been killed by a rocket attack.. . it is actually getting a bit scary with all the talk of what if ... what if Syria, what if Iran, what if the entire area .. . where will the rest of the world be .. . the katusha rockets are awful and they have ones that can reach Tel Aviv. In fact, Tel Aviv has just been raised to a higher alert level by the Homefront Command and I just got an email from my work in order to inform us where the bomb shelters are in our building. Many of my friends are up north in the army and I two of my friends' friends' have already been killed. More so, many of my friends are in the army up north and I can't focus at work worrying for their safety and future. The strike on the navy ship is becoming a national tragedy.. . we feel like we underestimated our enemy and that we weren't ready . . . that we don't have the intelligence that we need. Iran and Syria seem to be trying to drag us into a war. To be honest, the scariest thing is not, what if a missile attack hits Tel Aviv, its the meaning of it. If or when a missile hits Tel Aviv, it will be all out warfare in the middle east and we, not only us Israelis, but the entire Jewish population will be fighting for our existence. These are countries that want us (Jews, Israelis and Westerners) dead and wiped off the map . .. and it seems as if they have the capabilities to do so. What is even scarier, is that other countries are saying that we are acting disproportionately . . . hearing those statements makes it easier to understand how the world stood by as the Nazis murdered 6,000,000 Jews. I am telling you this for one reason, so that you will not feel so far away from what is happening here. The fact of the matter is, that this does affect you. Iran has not only said that he wants to destroy Israel, but that it wants to create Europe into a Pan-Islamic state and destroy the U.S. Don't be foolish, don't think it can't happen . .. and don't think that the U.S. is untouchable and invisible. There are Hezbollah factions in the U.S., they have been arrested. . . watch where you are going and what you are doing .. . because it would not be surprising if Hezbollah decided to wake up sleeper terrorist cells abroad. Do NOT underestimate them .. . the biggest mistake is to not respect the power of Hezbollah, Syria and Iran. I do not mean to scare you, but to move you to action. Write to your senators, write to the news media ... force the U.S., the U.N. the G8, etc .. . to support Israel .. . force news media to accurately and unbiasedly cover the war .. . and to correctly verbalize the threat upon Israel, its people and its very existence. Force news agencies to show the Golan Heights as part of Israel and NOT Syria . .. Please, just do something.

In the meantime, life is fairly normal . .. depending on your understanding of normal. ... I guess if normal is being called into a meeting at work to be told where the bomb shelters are . .. . As for me, I am waiting and hoping to be called up for reserve duty.

All my love,

Jessica"

Posted by: Sharon on July 20, 2006 03:37 PM

That s/b spelled, "Idiosyncrasy," which is very close to the word "Idiot" imo.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 20, 2006 03:38 PM

"Jessica" must not realize that the US govt of bushaholic & enabling congree have already made their pro-Israel stance quite well known & putting the taxpayer's money behind this stance. If it's not working for her, there's a grave disconnect it would appear. Anyway, there're pitious calls to the USian taxpayer for "help" coming from the most of the region. So many calls, so few Knights on White Chargers.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 20, 2006 04:00 PM

...not too mention the many calls from within the US, itself (not "herself")... such as the New Orleans region & the elderly under the "New" medicare scam.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 20, 2006 04:03 PM

For some folks, All is never enuf.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 20, 2006 04:09 PM

Joanna, in using the word "support," in the context of what she wrote, I get that she was talking about seeing Israel's side of the story as there are always 2 sides: "to support Israel .. . force news media to accurately and unbiasedly cover the war .. . and to correctly verbalize the threat upon Israel, its people and its very existence. Force news agencies to show the Golan Heights as part of Israel and NOT Syria . .."

Israel is not an aggressor in the sense of the Germans during WWII. Israel really is defending and protecting itself. It needs to stop over-reacting and trying to be so tough and macho; however, not one person here has lived there and been in their shoes for the past 58 years, so none of us understand what has lead up to this or how we would act were we a government charged with protecting a very small nation in the midst of many nations that don't want to see it exist.

Nevertheless, thank you for reading my posts, Joanna and responding to them.

Posted by: Sharon on July 20, 2006 04:51 PM

I also want to mention that Israel uniltarally retreated in May of 2000 from the Lebanese border and gave back the land they had won from the Lebanese. This was a gesture of peace. However, instead of replying in kind, the rockets and missiles kept coming, only now Hezbollah is able to move closer.

Posted by: Sharon on July 20, 2006 05:05 PM

It’s errant to claim that the majority of Israelis will kill to prevent a one state solution while only “many” Palestinians wouldn’t consider it. The portion of Israelis that would support a one-state solution is far greater than the number of Palestinians who would support it – last figures I heard were around 35% of Israelis would support it, and 12% of Palestinians. It isn’t a hugely popular notion on either side.

Posted by: Daniel B. Sherman on July 22, 2006 07:05 AM

How strong is the Lebanese government? Not very. It looks to me like Iranian support for Hezbollah would not necessitate direct Iranian involvement.

Posted by: Jonathan on July 25, 2006 01:07 PM

It is a "joke" to continue to refer to the Israeli occupiers...... the Israeli invaders of Lebanon, as the IDF ( Israeli DEFENCE Forces). They are NOT a Defense Force, they are an aggressive "Offensive force", who wages war against anyone they want to without being criticized by the Bush administraion and the U.S. Congress. If that's the case, why not refer to the Hezbollah group fighting the Israeli invaders of Lebabnon as: " The HEZBELLAH DEFENSE FORCES". It would be only right and correct to do that.

Posted by: Bill O'Neill on July 27, 2006 09:18 PM

Pity those poor innocents who are paying for no fault of theirs. :-(

Posted by: Johnpaul on July 29, 2006 10:30 AM

Orthodox Rabbis are against Zionism. Please go to the their peacesite to view photos of their many demonstrations around the world against the Lebanon atrocities and before that their solidarity with Palestinians whom they march with for justice for the Palestinian people.

Website about what some noble Hasidic Rabbis are doing, and have been doing for years. Their organization is called Neturei Karta and their website is:

www.nkusa.org

God bless them.

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“And even for the Middle East, which has seen so many wars, this war is an odd one.

Israel's actions appear counter-intuitive, even by its hard-right's own measure of "national security." Its self-immolation of any credible claim to a just cause virtually assures tragedy
for itself and its people. Its goading Syria and Iran into a general war by turning Lebanon into
a slaughterhouse means the Israeli state has become, itself, a suicide bomber; an engine of
apocalypse. But for whom, and for what?”
For whom and for what.

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/2321/47/
http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/2346/47/

Posted by: Rose Elvern on August 3, 2006 02:52 AM

More Petitions for a Ceasefire

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1715666


Please go to http://julywar.epetition.net and sign the Save the Lebanese Civilians Petition and forward this invitation to your friends.

Lebanese civilians have been under the constant attack of the state of Israel for several days. The State of Israel, in disregard to international law and the Geneva Convention, is launching a maritime and air siege targeting the entire population of the country. Innocent civilians are being collectively punished in Lebanon by the state of Israel in deliberate acts of terrorism as described in Article 33 of the Geneva Convention.

Posted by: Rose Elvern on August 3, 2006 02:54 AM

Today it is everyone’s duty to inform people who are being brainwashed by the western media about the genosides and crimes of Zionists. Lets define terrorism and see who is the real terrorist.

Posted by: Ben Bicais on August 7, 2006 06:20 AM

Israel army is truly criminals.

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