"HAD ENOUGH?"

Should be the Dems mantra from now until the election Morgana. I always feel a flow when I read your articles. I was reading someone's post on the other page regarding the coming Saturn/Neptune opposition this summer and the financial and housing bubble burst. (actually it's Jupiter's t-square to those two planets that will cause any bursting bubbles) but transiting Neptune is in the 3rd house of the US chart indicating the media and saturn oppose from the 9th, I'm thinking the media is going to be seen for what they are before this summer is over, as is the justice system and our religious systems. You are so right Morgana, our government is broken. Good article.

This has been on my mind constantly. Not only is Neptune in the USA 3rd house, but Uranus is in the Pisces intercept in the 3rd with the NN. I think some big awareness is up ahead with the Saturn opposition. And hope of all hopes that the Saturn opposition will tame some of the paranoid delusions that can come with a Pisces 3rd. A clearer picture all around will be available.
Then when Jupiter comes into play a little later with these factors, I think there will some changes in perception and an attempt to utilize the new information.
Saturn in the 9th will definitely minimize the myths that have been perpetrated. The Terry Schiavo incident frightened the people to think that the government could penetrate a family member's dying body on moral, religious grounds against their will. This I think planted a seed for the realization up ahead.

Sally, Had Enough should be the Dem. mantra you betcha.

I really think the Democratic Congress Critters need to walk out, nothing for the common good of the people will be accomplished by this bunch of cuthroats. The Dem's do not have the numbers to counter the GOP, so they should go home and start motivating their districts to see and hear I've HAD ENOUGH!. Close the damn doors of Congress, ya'll can't get anything done. It's the old beating of a dead horse, the dead horse being our Constitution, the GOP did it in. Had enough ?

Morgana, it's already happening. 18 states so far have a minimum wage increase on the ballot. It's a big local issue for the Dems running in Nov.

Another sign of the Nep/Saturn/3rd/9th opposition is Bill Moyer's new series, "Faith and Reason". Perfect.

And just maybe this sloganeering will hit a wall. "Cut and run" seems to have encounter some difficulty. It used to be simple. Just spit it out and the media sold it. The people bought it. It will be interesting to see.

Woo-hoo Ms. Morgana rocks again! Haven't we had enough, though! And I do take comfort that more and more things will come to light, including how the *quote unquote* media has promoting myths and mass delusion.

And, if I might repost what I posted last on the previous link (dynamite video!):
It's in the Constitution." And let us hope we never forget what's in ours. Gripping video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1071706626610787715&q=freedom+to+Fascism%3F

One more tidbit. Remember Tancredo, the insane wingnut congressman from Colorado? His challenger, Bill Winter, an unknown Fighting Dem, is almost even with him in the polls.

In the US chart the SS Mercury conjuncts the US n. Mercury, and the Lunar South Node Rx., Dragons Tail is still closely conjunct the US Midheaven from the 9th House and vice versa the North Node Rx., Dragons Head is in the US 3rd House closely conjunct the 4th House cusp IC at 0 degrees...eeewww more critical points popping we're seeing the tip o' the melting iceberg when it comes to the 10th House. Hang on for the ride.

Morgana, but what about all the money that's being siphoned off? Well we learn all about that, too? (Fingers crossed.)

Terrific Read, as usual Morgana! Two questions: "Venus too is caught in the inconjunction with Pluto's Finger of God and their great bounty will turn fetid in their mouths. November maybe ?" Do you see this as having an impact on the Nov. elections? And, as for earthquakes, I saw a report that Calif. is overdue according to the "experts". Do you agree and might what you're seeing pertain to that lovely state?

Just a shortie, jm, about colorado and Tancredo.
The GOP just wheeled in a fresh hot batch to crowd out those silly paper ballots. In 04, our (I live in CO) heavily democratic town's votes were held away from the national tally until after the election for niggling (delaying) reasons. Don't count on that shining expectation with the GOP scrubbing so hard and fast.

The anonymous person on the last thread asked a really good question. Anyone got some input?

"Posted by: on June 24, 2006 05:05 PM" asked:
"And here's ANOTHER thing to think about, the fact that the largest wave of people born in the history of the world was born post WWII - 1946-1964- I think is the official span. Our famous Yuppies. They will all be between 76 and 58 yrs (Saturn return) in 2022 , which is really going to be the beginning part of this triple return, when Pluto is ending its stay in Cap. The youngest will just be going into 2nd Saturn return, some into retirement, and the rest, too old to do much more than protest. But what a massive amount of protesting they will be able to do.
I think this will be a legit area to do some projecting....What will this Pluto in Leo generation do? And to be accurate, that generation starts really in 1938, covers the War Babies, goes to 1958, so there is an overlap with the Pluto in Virgo generation.
It isn't too early to think about this....there must be some reason why this enormous wave came in...some job still left to do? One needing a lot of people?"

What I read is that the Pluto/Leo generation was born to eliminate any king who gets in their way.
Also the Neptune/Libra sextile Pluto/Leo segment of this generation has the vision of global unity. Expect dramas and revolutions from the masses.

Yes, pat b. In the case of Bill Winter it was not a "shining expectation". That was a true hope, since I never expected him to have any chance at all. And I was impressed when I first heard him.
There is one factor. Democratic money is increasing as the state has gone more and more that way. And this is what is so interesting about this formerly GOP stronghold. With the ultra liberal bastions in the state, the first democrtic legislature for 40+ years, and the changing demographic, it's too early to tell.
Tancredo is an institution, so to see his popularity decline is even more important to me than whether or not Winter wins this one. The closeness is the thing.

M. good to see you! California is overdue, so is Cascadia, New Madrid (the fault that moved the Mississippi). I read somewhere a description of the effect of the Ice Caps, sheets, glaciers melting was like removing weights holding down the edge of a trampoline, the trampoline being the tectonic plate, and boing boing the plate bounces back and we've got ourselves mega quakes. If you live in California you live with expectancy. The 2004 Indonesian quake for my thinking hasn't played out what it triggered geological and we can watch Tambora, Ana Krakatau building back up and spewing and I'm pretty sure the Indonesian quake whacked their pipes pretty good.

Next incarnation science geek.

pat b...actually you brought up a good point which might give a clue as to where things are heading. Colorado is a state that is used to gauge future political direction. The ultra liberal in-policy Denver Mayor, Hickenlooper, who is a national model, is also very friendly to big business. This could be part of the crossover and what we'll see more of. Business friendly Democrats but with some semblance of social programming. They are attracting the Libertarians now who used to vote Republican. I wonder if this is happening elsewhere.

Sorry to butt in on new thread, I'll be brief - some unfinished business.
Michael, haven't worked on NZ chart(s) - USA much more fascinating.
Sally, Phil, Dunno about past or future validity of Sibly but to me it seems to be the one for NOW.
Why? Because being something of an A*C*G buff. The first thing I did with the Sibly was an A*C*G of the Middle East. Surprise surprise! Well not really. Pluto/Mc bang on Baghdad. With the Node close to Tehran making much of the war zone under the influence of a Pluto/Node midpoint - read Ebertin's COSI if you're not sure on this one.
Now here's some real food for thought and why I believe it relates to the NOW.
Dubya has that same Pluto Midheaven line so close to the Sibly Pluto/Mc he could drive there in no time at all in one of these cute dune buggies he used when visiting the Mexican border
Here's a link to A*C*G for Dubya http://www.astrocartography.co.uk/GWBAfghan.htm
If nothing else and as Sally suggests the Sibly is a war chart.

Just got to comment on JudiG's pics of NZ and Mt Cook. I've got Jupiter/Venus on my A*C*G around there and that says everything about why I love this area. Thanks for the link

EVERYONE- A Reminder

Do you think of yourselves as Lighthouses?

"3D lighthouses on the planet [the actual cement ones] don't know anything about storms. Nothing. They don't know how big a storm is going to be, or how dark it's going to get. They don't know how strong the wind is going to blow, or how long it's going to last. But they and their keepers can see the storm coming, and they know when they're in it. They're built for it, you know? They don't care how dark or how long, since they are built for any duration! They don't care because they've got a light that's strong enough to help anyone troubled by the situation. You see?

That's why you're here! You don't have to analyze this current storm to deal with it. All you have to do is stand where you are and keep the light going. That's why you came to this planet this time, and that's why you're here. Spirit promises you that you have enough light and that your lighthouse will not be destroyed, for it was built for the storm. In fact, it was built for exactly this storm. Do you understand what we're saying? You don't have to understand it and you don't have to figure it all out. The last thing we'd expect a lighthouse to do is to turn off its light, close its doors, and run the other way because the storm is coming. It doesn't make sense, you see? And that's the good news of the age."

From KYRON
http://kryon.com/k_chanelUN06.html

Jaycee, I adore Kryon.You mentioned only part of his 2006 visit to the UN where he talks about the illuminati becoming "benevolent Uncles" and helping pay for the AIDs cure of Africa; the peace in the Middle East after Sharon and Arafat die with Hamas morphing into a good organization; the meaning of 2012. The most hopeful channeling I've read in ages.

Thank You Morgana. That trampoline explanation is excellent.

Evidently this was the reconciliation plan and an honorable way out of the Iraq labyrinth but media coverage ( spin) since its presentation Sunday has spread a kind of fog over everything:

“Maliki's Master Plan”

A national reconciliation plan for Iraq calls for a timetable for withdrawal of U.S. troops and, controversially, amnesty for insurgents who attacked American and Iraqi soldiers.

By Rod Nordland

Newsweek

Updated: 12:42 a.m. ET June 24, 2006

June 24, 2006 - A timetable for withdrawal of occupation troops from Iraq. Amnesty for all insurgents who attacked U.S. and Iraqi military targets. Release of all security detainees from U.S. and Iraqi prisons. Compensation for victims of coalition military operations.

Those sound like the demands of some of the insurgents themselves, and in fact they are. But they're also key clauses of a national reconciliation plan drafted by new Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, who will unveil it Sunday. The provisions will spark sharp debate in Iraq—but the fiercest opposition is likely to come from Washington, which has opposed any talk of timetables, or of amnesty for insurgents who have attacked American soldiers.

But in Iraq, even a senior military official in the U.S.-led coalition said Friday that the coalition might consider a timetable under certain circumstances. And the official was careful to point out that a distinction needs to be made between terrorists and the resistance.

NEWSWEEK has obtained a draft copy of the national reconciliation plan, and verified its contents with two Iraqi officials involved in the reconciliation process who declined to be identified because of the sensitivity of the plan's contents. Prime Minister Maliki will present the document to the National Assembly when it convenes on Sunday, and it's expected to be debated over the coming week. Maliki has made reconciliation and control of party militias the main emphasis of his new government. This plan follows a series of secret negotiations over the past two months between seven insurgent groups, President Jalal Talabani and officials of the U.S. embassy. The insurgent groups involved are Sunnis but do not include foreign jihadis like al Qaeda and other terrorist factions who deliberately target civilians; those groups have always denounced any negotiations.

More...

http://tinyurl.com/s7wmo

The tweaked plan was a spectacular flop:

“Divisive Plan to Unify Iraq”

Sunnis object to much of premier's blueprint for reconciliation. U.S. senators criticize its proposal of amnesty for some insurgents.

By Borzou Daragahi, Times Staff Writer

June 26, 2006

BAGHDAD — Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki on Sunday unveiled an ambitious, U.S.-backed plan for bringing together ethnic and sectarian factions that left open the possibility of offering amnesty to some insurgents who had killed American or Iraqi troops.

The 28-point plan, presented to parliament, includes amnesty "for those not proved to be involved in crimes, terrorist activities and war crimes against humanity," deliberately vague language hammered out over long and heated closed-door discussions involving both Iraqis and Americans.

Maliki, speaking to lawmakers packed inside the Baghdad Convention Center in the high-security Green Zone, said the plan "does not mean honoring and accepting killers and criminals." However, it calls for releasing thousands of suspected insurgents who "pledge to condemn violence and vow to back" the government. It also advocates ending rules that keep some former members of the once-ruling Baath Party out of political life, provided they haven't committed crimes.

"We realize that there is a segment of those who rebelled against the righteousness, rational and logical and took Satan's route," said Maliki, who took over the premiership a month ago amid high expectations among his war-weary countrymen and U.S. officials. "To those who want to build and reform, we present hands that carry olive branches."

The introduction of the plan came on a day when violence claimed at least 23 lives in Iraq and a video surfaced showing the execution of two men alleged to be Russian hostages seized this month, along with footage of a third body.

U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad, speaking to reporters after the parliamentary session, did not rule out the possibility of pardons for insurgents who had belonged to groups that had taken up arms against American forces.

Only "irreconcilables" — insurgents who fundamentally oppose the Iraqi state, either by fighting for a return of Baath Party dictatorship or for Al Qaeda's vision of an Islamic Caliphate — would be categorically excluded, he said.

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But the plan raised immediate doubts among the country's minority Sunni Arabs, who dominated Iraq under Hussein and now lead the insurgency. Many Sunni Muslims said the plan did not go far enough in heeding their demands, especially for the setting of a concrete timetable for the departure of U.S. troops, which many continue to call an occupying power.

"What do you want me to tell the honorable people? Not to hate the occupation?" said Sheik Ali Hatam Sulayman, a leader of the Albu Asaf tribe in the insurgent stronghold of Al Anbar province. "I can't. I'm sorry."

By diluting any language about a troop withdrawal, the proposal undermines itself, said Wamidh Nadhmi, a Baghdad political scientist sympathetic to the Sunni cause.

"If I were the resistance, I wouldn't talk with a government that depended on a foreign army," he said. "I would talk with the foreign army."

Some Iraqi critics also said the plan failed to address the changing nature of the violence, which they argue has turned more and more from a nationalist fight against U.S. occupation into a sectarian war waged between Arab-backed Sunni extremists and Iranian-backed Shiite militias.

More...

http://tinyurl.com/o8efk

CIA Agent's Warnings About "Curveball" Ignored

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/062606Z.shtml

Veteran CIA officer Tyler Drumheller, who is writing a book about his experiences, described in extensive interviews repeated attempts to alert top CIA officials to problems with the defector, code-named Curveball, in the days before the Powell speech. Other warnings came prior to President Bush's State of the Union address on January 28, 2003. In the same speech that contained the now famous "16 words" on Iraqi attempts to acquire uranium, Bush spoke in far greater detail about mobile labs "designed to produce germ warfare agents."

Jesus Loves Me

http://www.peacetakescourage.com/wwjd.html

Photos with sound

Very clear and helpful information Morgana. Thank you as usual!

Stan, you're right about the Silby chart, for me, 9/11 eleminated any doubt about the Silby chart. It all fit just too well. The one thing I've always found interesting however is in the Adams letters to his wife, he believed that July 2 at 2:00pm would be the future celebration of this country, because that's when they all signed, I have never used that time or chart, but it was an interesting historical footnote to me. That aside, there have been too many things throughout our history that fits that Silby chart very well, without the convoluted explanations other charts need.

Morgana wrote:
One last note, that much fixed sign activity from the Fixed Grand Cross, all in the Angular Houses indicates lots of change, day to day, moment to moment. Earthquakes, no kidding really (not like they're not popping all over already), hurricanes (yes yet another record year...watch), drought, flooding, fire, pestilence. Ya'll can all read the handwriting on the wall, be prepared and you'll survive it. Do not depend on our Government, it's kinda broken right now.
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You are on a roll here Morgana!! Excellent article. Look what's happening weather wise today in DC -- and will continue for the rest of the week.
Philomena
Storms, floods, mudslides tie up D.C. area By MARTY NILAND, Associated Press Writer
27 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - Flooding from a weekend of heavy rain shut down the Justice Department building, Internal Revenue Service headquarters and the National Archives on Monday, and created a nightmare for commuters with washed-out roads, mud blocking the Capital Beltway and delays on the area's rail lines. District of Columbia officials urged people to avoid the flooded downtown areas.

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"They need to give us time to make sure everything's OK," said Michelle Pourciau, the acting director of the D.C. Department of Transportation. "We know that more rain is coming ... We're trying to prepare for the additional rain as well."

The storm dumped more than 7 inches of rain in 24 hours at the National Arboretum, and a flash flood watch was in effect for the region with another 2 inches of rain expected Monday.

Rain is in the forecast every day this week because of a stubborn low-pressure system off the coast, to continue to read the article : http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060626/ap_on_re_us/northeast_flooding

OT - but, i am curious. Are you guys going to have something to say about the rightwing witch hunt on Jerome Armstrong and his life as an astrologer? & founder of this blog?

Hi Everyone, Happy New Moon
Happy Summer. Marched in the Coney Island Mermaid Parade on Saturday. For me it also welcomed the paradigm shift into the female conciousness = intuition and emotion. The parade was diverse, even including creatures of the sea.

BTW, Glub,glub.
BBV's Bev Harris is finally caught in her own illegal charity shananigans net and the proof is surfacing. The Ocean of Conciousness is washing away the grime of the ego and Truth does come out.
Glub, glub, down ya go Bev! You took my $5 and cheated everyone. Shame, Shame. Liar Liar Pants on Fire.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=436340&mesg_id=436340

Didn't Seem to raise much of a stir when it was revealed that Nancy Reagan employed an Astrologer

Jerome Armstrong's Nutroots
MyDD founder and DailyKos doppelganger Jerome Armstrong, who earlier in the week was exposed as a dot-com era fraudster, has another secret.

It turns out that after being busted by the Security and Exchange Commission his initial work at MyDD was anything but reality-based. Dan Reihl and RedState document Mark Warner and Sherod Brown's top Internet advisor's history in astrology.

In the hours since the story broke it looks like a search and replace has been done at MyDD for the term 'astrologer ' See this post (Original / Sanitized) for and example of the purge - look for the second comment by 'Hugh' in the original post. Suddenly it's not there anymore in the latest version of the 2004 post, which Google cached in February 2005.

The Warner and Brown campaigns are in a bind. Dropping Armstrong is the logical course of action, but it they do they risk losing the support of Kos, whose support seems to correlate pretty strongly to Armstrong's employment.

Update: The New Republic's Lieberman-loving neocon owner has a few well written words for Kos and the kiddies...

http://wizbangblog.com/2006/06/23/jerome-armstrongs-nutroots.php

Guess this was Jerome Armstrong's writing- so what
Guess the virgin birth is okay to believe though

http://www.astroworld.us/archives/000026.html

The Empire at Bay

Iraq – high tide of the American Imperium?

by Justin Raimondo
Sunday's headlines on Antiwar.com pretty much summed up the looming defeat of America's imperial ambitions, detailing in descending order the series of setbacks that have stunned the architects of our would-be "benevolent global hegemony" and stopped them in their tracks:

"A Deadly Week: 16 GIs Killed in Iraq" – Casualties are up, there is no decline (or even a lull) in the insurgency, and it turns out that the death of Zarqawi was just a blip on the screen.

"PM's Plan Calls For U.S. Pullout Timetable" – Our Iraqi allies are inviting us to leave, proving Richard Armitage's week-old prediction right.

"Security Chiefs Anxious Over Iraq Amnesty" – Deprived of their "kill at will" rules of engagement, and faced with the prospect of a general amnesty for the insurgents, the occupation authorities are worried that their military position will be further weakened. This signifies a growing rift between the Shi'ite government and the American occupiers, one that can only widen, and must end either in withdrawal or America taking on the sleeping giant of militant Shi'ism – which their invasion so foolishly awakened.

"Key Insurgents Vow to Reject Iraq Peace Plan" – Lest we be fooled into believing that peace is about to break out.

"U.S. General Outlines Possible Iraq Troop Cuts" – We're cutting and running.

"Warnings on WMD Fabricator Were Ignored, Ex-CIA Aide Says" – The lies kept bouncing back into presidential speeches and official pronouncements, says one who knows, as fast as they were debunked.

"Indictment Reveals Little Evidence of Terrorist Plot" – Never mind that we're losing in Iraq, what about all those glorious "victories" on the home front? Or maybe not…

"Nearly 150 Afghan Rebels Killed in Two Weeks" – Hey, weren't we supposed to have "won" this one already?

"Can the U.S. Shoot Down Korea's Taepodong 2?" – Does a Republican administration really care all that much if Kim Jong Il takes out San Francisco?

These are lean times for the War Party. Their glorious "victories" have turned to dust. Their lies are the subject of front-page coverage and grand jury indictments. Their mission, far from being "accomplished," is further from success than ever, and the administration is in full retreat. Forced to negotiate with the Iranians over Tehran's nascent nuclear program, the full-bore neocon militarism once dominant in D.C. has been replaced by the centrist sensibility of Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, whose influence is largely credited with the new moderation. Dick Cheney and his cronies are on the outs.

con't http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=9203

I do have something to say about Jerome Armstrong.

1. He isn't a fraud
2. Years ago he helped launch several different types of blog sites
3. He's extremely intelligent and worked with a great many subjects on his road to greater knowledge and understanding; one of those roads was astrology. It's similar to how one studies and perhaps writes about mathamatics, physics, medicine, religion etc. etc. etc. and the internet and blogs offer that self-expression of perspective.
4. Doubtful if the people attacking Jerome know anything about him, astrology, physics etc. except on a superficial basis, and ego allows them to think they know everything about these subjects.

I have a great deal of respect for Jerome, for his integrity, his honesty, his intelligence and I doubt if we will ever read anything of his astrological perspective again, and that I regret, but he certainly should not be villified on any of the blogs he helped start.

GM to Shed Quarter of Workforce This Year

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/062606J.shtml

General Motors will disclose today details of one of most dramatic corporate downsizings in US history, exceeding a key target of its turnround plan and accelerating the demise of the privileged American car worker. Rick Wagoner, chief executive, is expected to announce that about 30,000 workers - more than a quarter of GM's blue-collar US workforce - have taken up its offer of early retirement and severance packages.

Hey you who dare not post your name you big scaidy baby. Lots of people on your side use astrology, you just don't know it, with the exception of Nancy Reagan. Would B**h had used one and spared the country the mess he plunged us into with his policies and ill conceived war.

If you want to attack at least have the courage to put your name.

Amen on Jerome.

There is an all out attack on the internet from the MSM and the right. The right hasn't been able to control it as it has the MSM, and the MSM is just a poodle for the borg. People like Jerome and some other excellent people have actually been practicing journalism, and that's just not in the right wing plan, so character assination is directed at the sources of their frustration.

NOTE: Lou Dobbs will be covering the voting machine "sleepover" issue tonight at 6pm ET (3pm PT) and interviewing several of the poll worker sources we gave them as originally reported at BRAD BLOG.

Please take note of all of the headlines below to get an idea just how insane things now are and how important it is that each of you pay very close attention. Now. Not in November.

I continue to make myself available to any media with any questions on any of this.

I hope you will turnout or otherwise let folks know about the "Emergency Townhalls" in LA on Tuesday and San Diego on Wednesday. Wear orange. -- Brad

A Line in the Sand

Why the Busby/Bilbray Election Matters (or Should) to the Entire NationŠ (HINT: It's not about Busby or Bilbray or San Diego or even California!) My reporting here and the concerns expressed about the Busby/Bilbray election results as announced, have little or nothing to do with Francine Busby or Brian Bilbray or even, in particular, the June 6th U.S. House special run-off election in California's 50th congressional district. It has only a tiny bit more to do with San Diego. And only slightly more than that to do with California. It has everything, however, to do with democracy. Across the entire country. As opposed to any one race in any one area. If I've not been clear on that until now, please allow me to set the record crystal clear...

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3002

Weather news in DC area. http://www.nbc4.com/index.html

The rain totals have gone past the record that was set in, I believe, 1933.

Here's something fascinating from AP. Yesterday was gay pride day around the country.

"Thousands lined Market Street for San Francisco's annual Gay Pride Parade. Marching bands, dancers and floats bearing corporate logos of such companies as Delta Air Lines and Wells Fargo streamed by.
'There's much greater acceptance in corporate America', said Michael Crowe.'High-profile corporate sponsorship is new to the event."

Amen to the Amen on Jerome.
They finally found a straw to grasp and they are going to grasp it as long and as hard as they can. Anything to do in the blogs and to shut down the opposition. Here's an interesting summary of Jerome's life. Fascinating background.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Armstrong

Meanwhile, there's a hideous war going on in Iraq, a war based on lies and more lies. Don't let the diversionary tactics succeed. Don't be diverted. Keep your eyes on the prize.

Well, I may have to take back those remarks I just read. Some of the contributors over at dailykos are starting to spill the beans:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/6/26/154424/693

Hahahahaha.

I haven't had a chance to talk to Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell yet today but I am sure all the rain in the Washington area is God's way of punishing the evil godlessness and satan worship going on in the Washington area. You can see evidence of this by the people not 100 percent behind our nation's leader, too much arguing and questioning of tactics used to control the US.

Expect the rain to continue because of all the hot air coming out of Washington contributing to at least 70 percent of the ice melting in Greenland.

A little gift from the new moon in Cancer . . . also money not available to other power-mongers!

http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid={677259D4-F475-4F3F-AF43-EC09D3EF319F}&siteId=mktw

The Buffett/Gates deal

Legality of US Bank Data Searches Probed in Belgium

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/062606S.shtml

Belgium's government said on Monday it was investigating the legality of counter-terrorism searches by US officials of thousands of private records held by Brussels-based international bank cooperative SWIFT. European Parliament lawmakers also suggested that Washington, in the wake of its secret "renditions" program, was once again going too far in its security policies.

I'm a Cancer who'se b'day is coming up on July 1st. I'm traveling to Nice, France to get a better Solar Return. If I'm in Nice, my Sun will conjunct the mid-heaven and trine Jupiter in the 2nd House. I wouldn't have that set up if I stayed in California on my b'day. I'm doing this but remain skeptical.

I would appreciate comments from anyone as to whether they believe in the astro theory that you can improve your year by traveling to the part on the globe where your Solar Return chart is most favorable.

Any thoughts....?

Here is something they really, really don't want you to pay much attention to:
http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/06/vice_president_.html

Mark, I dunno as I'm no expert, but I do want to wish you a most excellent birthday and year. Starting if off in Nice sounds like a smashing way to celebrate a Solar Return. Congratulations!

Sally -- Morgana -- check out the strange hailstorm in Boulder late Saturday evening. Look what the Grand Fixed Cross w/ Mars/Saturn/Jupiter/Moon/Chiron produced.
The Great Hailstorm
Nature's Icy Wrath Descends on Boulder
By Richard Martin, 6-26-06

I was in the pool at RallySport late Saturday afternoon when they closed it down because of lightning in the area. When my family and I exited the locker rooms, we saw what has already entered the rich trove of Boulder Weird Weather Tales: the Great Hailstorm of 2006.

http://www.newwest.net/index.php/city/article/9485/C94/L94

Uh oh, this little piggy's been busted again....
http://cbs4.com/topstories/local_story_177194808.html

The Iron Wall

Highly Recommended 60 Minute Documentary

This eye-opening documentary exposes the Israel's colonization policy and follows the timeline, size, population of the "settlements," and their impact on the peace process. This film also touches on the latest project to make the settlements a permanent fact on the ground; the annexation Wall that Israel is building in the West Bank, and its impact on the Palestinian people.

Click here to watch. Windows Media & Real Video

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13749.htm

I don't know how long you've lived in Colorado, but the worst hailstorm in US History was in 1984, it also at the time was listed as the most expensive. The one in 1990 surpassed the 1984 in money but not in damage. The 1984 one cost over 265 million and the 1990 over 625 million. I lived through them both. The 1984 one lasted for over an hour where I lived at the time (Arvada) hail as big as grapefruit went through roofs of houses and cars, sent several people to the hospital and a couple or three died from the impact of the hail. The whole town looked like a war zone. Here is a little news report on the storm.

Denver has had 2 very large hailstorms in recent times. The first, on June 13, 1984, lasted from 1:30 to 5:30 p.m. Storm data reported:

"The worst hailstorm ever experienced in the Denver area in terms of damage battered the region for several hours. The hardest hit cities were the northwestern suburbs of Arvada, Wheat Ridge, and Lakewood, but large hail also fell in Golden, Southeast Denver, ans Aurora. Damage occurred in all of these areas, but by far the worst effects of the storm were in the northwestern suburbs. Homes and other buildings sustained nearly 200 million dollars of damage. Many thousands of cars were battered by giant hailstones, and total damage to vehicles was 100 million dollars. In some areas, golf ball to baseball sized hail fell for 30 to 40 minutes, some spots were pelted with stones as large as grapefruits. Roofs on thousands of structures were destroyed. Uncounted car windshields were broken. Two-thirds of Armada's police cars were rendered inoperable. Torrential rains as much as 4and 3/4 in Lakewood combined with the hail and caused damaging floods. In some spots hail was washed into drifts several feet high. About 20 people were injured by the giant hailstones and a couple was hospitalized. A woman drowned when she was trapped under a trailer by high water.

This 1984 storm was surpassed by a storm that occurred on July 11, 1990 that caused $600 million in damage in the Denver area.

from a friend..

Two articles on issues central to what the US has given to the world:

-Privacy:

The Total Information Awareness program was killed in 2003, but its spawn present bigger threats to privacy.

The Disclosure this week of a secret databank operation tracking international financial transactions has caused renewed concerns about civil liberties in the United States. But this program is just the latest in a series of secret surveillance programs, databanks and domestic operations justified as part of the war on terror.

Disclosed individually over the course of the last year, they have become almost routine. Yet, when considered collectively, they present a far more troubling picture, and one that should be vaguely familiar.

Full article at:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/printer_062506G.shtml

-Voting rights:

In the 2004 election, more than 3 million voters were challenged at the polls. No one had seen anything like it since the era of Jim Crow and burning crosses. In 2004, voters were told their registrations had been purged or that their addresses were "suspect".

Denied the right to the regular voting booths, these challenged voters were given "provisional" ballots. More than 1m of these provisional ballots (1,090,729 of them) were tossed in the electoral dumpster uncounted.

A funny thing about those ballots: about 88% were cast by minority voters.

Full article at:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/printer_062506C.shtml

Gads what awful weather. And now GWB has jumped on the side of Global Warming and wants to be a hero. I suppose all this water might flood congress on multiple levels. The troop draw down, making a big hoopla of downsizing by 8k when they only recently deployed another 15k so it's a net gain for them. I have so enough of these guys.

http://snipurl.com/sdam

Bush ignores laws he inks, vexing Congress

The White House on Tuesday defended President Bush’s prolific use of bill signing statements, saying they help him uphold the Constitution and defend the nation’s security.

“There’s this notion that the president is committing acts of civil disobedience, and he’s not,” said Bush’s press secretary Tony Snow, speaking at the White House. “It’s important for the president at least to express reservations about the constitutionality of certain provisions.”

Snow spoke as Senate Judiciary Committe Chairman Arlen Specter opened hearings on Bush’s use of bill signing statements saying he reserves the right to revise, interpret or disregard a measure on national security and consitutional grounds. Such statements have accompanied some 750 statutes passsed by Congress — including a ban on the torture of detainees and the renewal of the Patriot Act.

“There is a sense that the president has taken signing statements far beyond the customary purview,” Specter, R-Pa., said.

“It’s a challenge to the plain language of the Constitution,” he added. “I’m interested to hear from the administration just what research they’ve done to lead them to the conclusion that they can cherry-pick.”

A Justice Department lawyer defended Bush’s statements.

“Even if there is modest increase, let me just suggest that it be viewed in light of current events and Congress’ response to those events,” said Justice Department lawyer Michelle Boardman. “The significance of legislation affecting national security has increased markedly since Sept. 11.”

“Congress has been more active, the president has been more active,” she added. “The separation of powers is working when we have this kind of dispute.”

Specter’s hearing is about more than the statements. He’s been compiling a list of White House practices he bluntly says could amount to abuse of executive power — from warrantless domestic wiretapping program to sending officials to hearings who refuse to answer lawmakers’ questions.

But the session also concerns countering any influence Bush’s signing statements may have on court decisions regarding the new laws. Courts can be expected to look to the legislature for intent, not the executive, said Sen. John Cornyn (news, bio, voting record), R-Texas., a former state judge.

More…

GWB is going to jump on any bandwagon that comes along and try to seem out ahead. Just like he did with NO, Africa, help for NY, immigration, the borders and on and on, then they just let it drop or don't follow through. That's the problem Morgana is the lies and lack of follow through. Wouldn't you think people would start to notice?

Sally, you'd think so. The Moon and Mercury are conjunct today 29 Cancer in the US 8th h. lol making a muddy mess of US 2nd h. no kidding. Sun 5 Cancer conjunct US n. Jupiter 5 Cancer is also setting off the n. US South Node in the US 2nd.

Eeeewww t. Uranus 14 Pisces inconjuncts the US n. Saturn in Libra 10th H. wow big ouch.

Karl Rove was booed in Waterloo Iowa, seems to be an interesting omen. When asked about the protesters, he said "what protesters?"

http://www.qctimes.net/articles/2006/06/27/news/local/doc44a0d6ebca47c700545156.txt

Maybe because it was "Waterloo" it seems to be a bad sign to ignore a viable concerned group in the US. I know they have been doing it, but this one struck me as a "Nixon moment" when he was booed during the Watergate issue, and soon into the scandal he said the same thing and it was down hill after that for him.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/murray-waas/a-reporters-bias_b_23782.html

A Reporter's Bias

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Posters_at_rightwing_board_threaten_to_0626.html

Posters at right-wing board threaten to kill Times editors, reporters

Review

http://www.buzzflash.com/store/reviews/255

Watchdogs of Democracy? : The Waning Washington Press Corps and How It Has Failed the Public (Hardcover)
by Helen Thomas

Murtha Says US Poses Top Threat to World Peace

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/062706J.shtml

American presence in Iraq is more dangerous to world peace than nuclear threats from North Korea or Iran, Congressman John Murtha, D-Pa., said to an audience of more than 200 in North Miami Saturday afternoon.

What also blew my mind with that piece about Rove being booed at Waterloo, is the bit where John Dean is quoted as saying that the Watergate prosecutor's looked at Rove but decided that he was too small a fish. Talk about Nixon connections....is it karma playing out here?

Womb environment 'makes men gay'

A man's sexual orientation may be determined by conditions in the womb, according to a study.
Previous research had revealed the more older brothers a boy has, the more likely he is to be gay, but the reason for this phenomenon was unknown.

But a Canadian study has shown that the effect is most likely down to biological rather than social factors.

The research is published in the journal of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Professor Anthony Bogaert from Brock University in Ontario, Canada, studied 944 heterosexual and homosexual men with either "biological" brothers, in this case those who share the same mother, or "non-biological" brothers, that is, adopted, step or half siblings.

These results support a prenatal origin to sexual orientation development in men
Professor Anthony Bogaert

He found the link between the number of older brothers and homosexuality only existed when the siblings shared the same mother.

The amount of time the individual spent being raised with older brothers did not affect their sexual orientation.

'Maternal memory'

Writing in the journal, Professor Bogaert said: "If rearing or social factors associated with older male siblings underlies the fraternal birth-order effect [the link between the number of older brothers and male homosexuality], then the number of non-biological older brothers should predict men's sexual orientation, but they do not.

"These results support a prenatal origin to sexual orientation development in men."

He suggests the effect is probably the result of a "maternal memory" in the womb for male births.

A woman's body may see a male foetus as "foreign", he says, prompting an immune reaction which may grow progressively stronger with each male child.

The antibodies created may affect the developing male brain.

In an accompanying article, scientists from Michigan State University said: "These data strengthen the notion that the common denominator between biological brothers, the mother, provides a prenatal environment that fosters homosexuality in her younger sons."

"But the question of mechanism remains."

Andy Forrest, a spokesman for gay rights group Stonewall, said: "Increasingly, credible evidence appears to indicate that being gay is genetically determined rather than being a so-called lifestyle choice.

"It adds further weight to the argument that lesbian and gay people should be treated equally in society and not discriminated against for something that's just as inherent as skin colour."

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/health/5120004.stm

George Bush in not Incompetent...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-lakoff/george-bush-is-not-incomp_b_23845.html

27 June 2006
Introducing TEDTalks

Today, for the first time ever, we're thrilled to present some of the most remarkable talks from TEDs past. We launch with six from this year's conference — Al Gore, Tony Robbins, David Pogue, Majora Carter, Hans Rosling and Ken Robinson — with more coming weekly. All the talks are downloadable as audio or video, searchable and free.

It's a big moment for us: Until now, the TED experience has been limited to 1,000 people each year. But we believe passionately that these talks deserve a much wider audience. Now — thanks to the maturation of online video and podcasting, and a visionary sponsorship from BMW — we can share them for the first time.

TEDTalks are designed to fit into your life: You can subscribe, to easily receive updates each week. There's an audio series (produced with WNYC/New York Public Radio) that commutes well, as well as the video series, offered on this blog and TED.com, and downloadable through iTunes. Plus, the talks are fully searchable, so you can always find exactly what you're looking for.

http://tedblog.typepad.com/

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-06-27-poll-elections_x.htm

Poll favors Democrats in fall elections

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Excerpted from: THE ONE PERCENT DOCTRINE: Deep Inside America's Pursuit of Its Enemies Since 9/11, Ron Suskind, 2006.

[Pages 11-13.]

http://cryptome.org/fbi-cia-wu.htm

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" When we speak of confronting "Empire," we need to identify what "Empire" means. Does it mean the U.S. Government (and its European satellites), the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, the World Trade Organization, and multinational corporations? Or is it something more than that?

In many countries, Empire has sprouted other subsidiary heads, some dangerous byproducts - nationalism, religious bigotry, fascism and, of course terrorism. All these march arm in arm with the project of corporate globalization."

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=51&ItemID=2919

wv, that tedblog is wonderful. I was particularly fond of Majora Carter! She is awesome!

Waterloo. Perfect.

Don't fret. The troop drawndown is a little too close to the Cut and Run insanity. I think their already bad timing is getting worse. No matter what the spin they are not perceived as clear thinking leaders. Flip flop has returned to haunt them.
There is a lot going on in towns and cities where people are going to make some decisions pretty soon, Waterloo, a heartland town, being one of them.

I am again amazed at the outrageous duplicity of this administration. These people lied to get a "war" going to use as cover for their occupation of Iraq, they outed a CIA operative and lied about who she was and the role she was filling, they have lied consistently about what happened on 9/11/2001 and now they are crying about NYT and information about the bank spying.
And the right wing blogs are evidently suggesting the assasination of NYT reporters and editors. Good god.
Would someone wake me from our collective nightmare-I need to get some rest.

Easily done to a newspaper near you....and the NYT.

http://snipurl.com/sdts

BEIJING, June 26 — Chinese media outlets will be fined up to $12,500 each time they report on “sudden events” without prior authorization from government officials, according to a draft law under review by the Communist Party-controlled legislature.

The law, revealed today in most state-run newspapers, would give government officials a powerful new tool to restrict coverage of mass outbreaks of disease, riots, strikes, accidents and other events that the authorities prefer to keep secret. Officials in charge of propaganda already exercise considerable sway over the Chinese media, but their power tends to be informal, not codified in law.

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Legal Experts to Senate Committee: Bush "Signing Statements" Unconstitutional, Impeachable

http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/06/06/ale06076.html

It remains to be seen but it looks like the NYT is beginning to wiggle out of bondage, with Jupiter in the USA 12th house in Scorpio, soon to come into the 1st. We were talking about the 3rd/9th axis of the USA chart being activated and the change in the media coming up. Pluto retro in Sagittarius ruling publishing.
The journalists have been in agony, being told what to report and how, with their whole careers being threatened. I don't know why the administration is reacting so emotionally showing fear and drawing attention to their massive faux-pas(plural). They appear weak and desperate. Maybe they are.
I can only surmise that the big money is really shifting to the Democrats as power keeps moving as always.

Also, Saturn is in the USA 8th house of bondage, soon to enter the 9th of publishing and advertising where it's possible that the Saturn will bring back some responsibility. Or at least tone down the infated propaganda. Just in time for the elections. I am very curious to see what happens. The packed Scorpio 3rd house election chart figures in, and I am in suspense. The Power of the Word does seem to be in the spotlight. I still like Waterloo.

Jaycee ~
Thank you for "kyron" and his link given above.

My daughter sent me this for something lighthearted.

Apparently, this is the most popular screensaver in the US.
If he gets stuck, just move him with your cursor.

http://www.planetdan.net/pics/misc/georgie.htm

By the way I think that someone else is also signing as charles so I will sign in as Charles[cj] from now on

Wow Carles{[cj] on that screensaver. Double wow. If this is true about its popularity than this is what's in the American psyche.

Can't tell yet what's behind this.
"The Senate has rejected a constitutional amendment to ban flag desecration today, just one week before Independence Day. The Senate vote came up one vote short of the support needed to send it to the states for ratification. The 66-34 vote in favor of the amendment was a single vote short of the two-thirds required.

Opponents said the amendment would violate the First Amendment right to free speech. And some Democrats complained that majority Republicans were exploiting people’s patriotism for political advantage in the midterm elections."

The Daily Show does the Miami 7. Don't miss.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8a4z9N3eYc

Israeli army launches Gaza attack

Staff and agencies
Wednesday June 28, 2006

Guardian Unlimited

The Israeli army entered southern Gaza today after threatening a major offensive to try to secure the release of an Israeli solider taken hostage by Palestinian militants.
Tanks and soldiers began taking up positions in two locations east of the town of Rafah under the cover of tank shells. Palestinians dug in behind walls and sand embankments, bracing for a major offensive.

An Israeli army spokeswoman confirmed the troops had moved into Gaza through the Kerem Shalom crossing.

A Hamas leader urged fighters to confront the Israeli soliders, Reuters reported. "Fight your enemies, who came to their deaths. Grab your rifles and resist," Nizar Rayan said in a radio message.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329515857-103552,00.html

I just ran across an interesting piece about the Vandenberg AFB SLC being cursed because the big brass paved over an Chumash burial ground (link below). I also heard that there's a river Tecumseh which was overflowing today and brought to mind Tecumseh's curse. This on top of the Waterloo reference...the Kevin Bacon 7 degrees of separationn.

Anyway the curse:

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,71249-0.html?tw=rss.index

i think its 6 degrees

lol thanks. the dates for the Vandenberg AFB launch failures for SLC-6 could be interesting. check it out..makes ya go wow.

http://www.counterpunch.org/dickinson05262006.html

Mining Glaciers
Water or Gold?
By MICHAEL DICKINSON

Among the armory of titles acquired by ex-President Bush during his eventful life is that of Honorary Senior Advisor to the Canada-based Barrick Gold Corporation (with 22 mines in four continents, the world's largest gold miner), a position he has held since 1995 when he was brought on board by founder Peter Munk to develop the company's international holdings. The job title may sound innocuous, but Bush senior plays an important role as chief business developer for the company, his connections with the upper echelons of society have reaped rich dividends for Barrick in mining deals.

One of the projects in its unrivalled pipeline due to go ahead this year in the Atacama mountains between Chile and Argentina is the Pascua Lama Project, where Barrick plan to dig out an enormous reserve of gold and silver deposits detected under three of the glaciers there. Barrick said the Pascua Lama project entails an investment of billions of dollars and has reserves of some 18.3 million ounces of gold, which will be accessed through an open-pit mine over a period of 20 years.

The process, which Barrick describes as 'relocating ice-resources' will entail breaking and destroying the majestic glaciers of Chile--an action unheard of in the history of the world - and the creation of two huge holes, each as big as a whole mountain, one for extraction and the other as the mine's rubbish tip.

The assault on the glaciers will destroy the source of the special pure water which flows into the two rivers of the Valle de San Felix, and upon which the indigenous farmers rely to nourish their fields in a region of low rainfall. Apart from the water shortages and illnesses caused by the pollution that will result from the working of the massive open-pit mine, it is feared that the rivers will become so contaminated by the use of cyanide and sulphuric acid in the extraction process that they will never again be fit for human or animal consumption.

The farmers of the area have spoken out vociferously against plans for this exploitation of their land, but protests have been stifled. A TV appeal calling for support in their cause was banned by the Chilean Ministry of the Interior.

More....

Yup Charles{cj}
WaS DISCUSSING THAT SCREEN SAver with 2 12 year olds today!, representing 2 households.......I have it they have it, or have seen it! The kids are very cynical about Bush! & this is a Repug stronghold!
Very weird day, but them the moon& merc were conjunct my Pluto 29 cancer! It is still raining inthe Catskills. There was a very strong wind High up, not typical of June!
My Grandaughter has been chosen to represent her school, with 2 other students, to DC this fall with the Jr Youth Leadership Council. First thing I did was check to make sure they are not going to the Christian place in Arlington VA. ( No; the 4 H in Chevy Chase) Then I checked the Advisory Council list................. Conyers < & Rangel are on it as are Lehey Lautenberg Wasserman Schultz, & Meeks.
Sad isn't it that such an ahonor should be viewed with suspician !!!!!!!
PQ

PatC Yes, About the gold mine.........My 14 yr old Grandson sent me a petition to sign! I would have passed it on except, these Dell Computers are so user unfriendly, & have to compete with the kids for online time & or leave the phone line open for their parents to call in.
PQ

PatC Yes, About the gold mine.........My 14 yr old Grandson sent me a petition to sign! I would have passed it on except, these Dell Computers are so user unfriendly, & have to compete with the kids for online time & or leave the phone line open for their parents to call in.
PQ

PatC Yes, About the gold mine.........My 14 yr old Grandson sent me a petition to sign! I would have passed it on except, these Dell Computers are so user unfriendly, & have to compete with the kids for online time & or leave the phone line open for their parents to call in.
PQ

Dell S____s! I have never had a duplicate from My Macintosh!
PQ

Woo-hoo, Sen. Lautenberg (Byrd, too):
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/6/27/213351/726

"The American Civil Liberties Union today declared victory in their legal battle with the FBI over a Connecticut library group’s right to keep patron records private. After dropping their vehement defense of the gag provision accompanying the request, the FBI has now abandoned the demand all together.

"First the government abandoned the gag order that would have silenced four librarians for the rest of their lives, and now they’ve abandoned their demand for library records entirely,” said Ann Beeson, Associate Legal Director of the ACLU. “While the government’s real motives in this case have been questionable from the beginning, their decision to back down is a victory not just for librarians but for all Americans who value their privacy"

http://www.gregpalast.com/section/articles

TREASON: “FIRING SQUAD” FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES?

The Right Wing has gone hog-ass wild over the New York Times’ “shocking” report that the Bush Administration is actually tracking terrorists’ money transfers. Oh my!

The fruitcakes are in flames! “Stand them in front of a firing squad or put them in prison for the rest of their lives,” says one pinhead on Fox TV.

For what? The stunning news that the government is hunting the source of al-Qaeda’s cash? “Osama! You must stop using your ATM card! Condi Rice is reading our bank statements!“

Somehow, I suspect bin Laden already assumes his checkbook is getting perused.

It is worth noting that the fanatic screeching for a “firing squad” is a guy who claims to be a former CIA agent. No one can confirm his claim of course, but this character, Wayne Simmons, has made his career blabbering away juicy intelligence secrets to sell himself as an “expert,” stuff far racier than the Times’ weak report. Well, hypocrisy never stood in the way of the Foxes in the news house.

You want to talk “treason”? OK, let’s talk treason. How about Dick Cheney telling his creepy little hitman ‘Scooter’ Libby to reveal information that led to the naming of a CIA agent? Mr. Simmons, do you have room in your firing squad schedule for the Vice-President?

And no one on Fox complained when the Times, under the by-line of Judith Miller, revealed the secret “intelligence” information that Saddam was building a bomb.

Yes, let’s talk treason. How about this: Before the 9/11 attack, George Bush’s intelligence chieftains BLOCKED the CIA’s investigation of the funding of al-Qaeda and terror.

The “Back-Off” Directive

On November 9, 2001, BBC Television Centre in London received a call from a phone booth just outside Washington. The call to our Newsnight team was part of a complex pre-arranged dance coordinated with the National Security News Service, a conduit for unhappy spooks at the CIA and FBI to unburden themselves of disturbing information and documents.

More....

Hi Morgana

What do you think that we had enough? we are facing lot many issues and lot many are there about to come.

Do you have something to stop that!

Had Enough? Geez Morgana, i have! But, i know damned well that more is to come. (Nice, tight article with a lot of one-two punches!)

The only repetitive thought i have about the banking issue is this. This "secret" is only one of many. The reason they wish to shut up the Times (and scare the bejeezus out of any remaining independent media) is because there's so much more dirt to dig up. It's just the tip of another dirty iceberg.

We think this banking issue is

Here's some more, Karen, that is also deeply disturbing:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/6/28/01629/4547

Enronization of Murka reaching fruition in one major sector?

The Voice of the White House June 25, 2006

TBR News.org – June 25, 2006

“The recent exposure of American spying on international bank transfers only touches the tip of a very volatile subject.

This spying operation was given the code name, at one point, of <>Xystus III<> and here is a capsulated background of the current operations of a massive, global American spy program that eventually has been turned back onto its creators.

The original concept, as set forth by Vice President Cheney, was to investigate large transfers of money connected with possible terrorist activity and was officially promulgated at the beginning of 2002. All American banking systems were requested, then required, to make all of their records “fully available” to U.S. investigative bodies, without subpoena and that under no circumstances would the targets be informed by the bank system involved.

All the major American banking systems: Bank of America, Bank One, Chase-Manhattan and others, were involved. After the establishment of the Department of Homeland Security, this project was turned over to them.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=4710

Top court upholds most of Texas redistricting plan

Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:36am ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Supreme Court on Wednesday upheld most of a bitterly contested Texas congressional map engineered by then-Rep. Tom DeLay to help solidify Republican control of the U.S. House of Representatives.

Although the justices refused to overturn the entire map, they ruled that one district in southwestern Texas violated the federal voting rights law.

The Supreme Court's decision upholding most of the redistricting plan could make it harder for Democrats to win control of the 435-seat House in the November elections.

In the lead opinion for the court, Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote, "We reject the statewide challenge to Texas' redistricting as an unconstitutional political gerrymander and the challenge to the redistricting in the Dallas area as a violation of the Voting Rights Act."

The redistricting plan had been challenged by Democrats, minority groups and others who argued the 2003 plan had been motivated by unconstitutional political purposes.

(Additional reporting by Deborah Charles)

Linda, Karen,
Thanks and I've Had Enough, but the rest of America obviously have not, or these guys would have a great deal more heat on them and they would be gone, hamstrung, under indictment, stopped cold. So in the meantime I'll paint all the GOP'ers with George's bloody red paint brush.

More coming down the pipe, yupper. Someone asked in a recent blog about why we're all here, now. I think we have the opportunity to lay the foundations as the New Age establishes itself. Which way will it go ? Which will hold forth the light or the darkness?

When The FBI Raids The Times

It's not hard to picture a scenario in which our government literally goes to war with the press.

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/06/28/when_the_fbi_raids_the_times.php

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House Republican leaders are expected to introduce a resolution today condemning The New York Times for publishing a story last week that exposed government monitoring of banking records.

The resolution is expected to condemn the leak and publication of classified documents, said one Republican aide with knowledge of the impending legislation.

The resolution comes as Republicans from the president on down condemn media organizations for reporting on the secret government program that tracked financial records overseas through the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunications (SWIFT), an international banking cooperative.

Rep. J.D. Hayworth (R-Ariz.), working independently from his leadership, began circulating a letter to House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) during a late series of votes yesterday asking his leaders to revoke the Times’s congressional press credentials.

http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/062806/nytimes.html

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/6/28/01629/4547

A corporate scandal that dwarfs Enron

Study Says Jon Stewart May Be Bad for America

Someone please stop Jon Stewart before he destroys American democracy.

Two university professors have published a study claiming that Comedy Central's "The Daily Show With Jon Stewart" drives down support for political institutions and makes young people more cynical about government.

"'The Daily Show' makes a habit of ridiculing the electoral and political process as a whole," write Jody Baumgartner and Jonathan S. Morris in the May edition of American Politics Research.

http://hollywoodhotline.typepad.com/watcher/2006/06/study_says_jon_.html

IT APPEARS KARL ROVE PLEAD GUILTY TO MAKING A FALSE STATEMENT BEFORE ANY CHARGES WERE BROUGHT AND WITHOUT A DEAL HAVING BEEN MADE
LUSKIN CAUGHT PARSING?

Prior to being "charged" -- and without a "deal" -- it appears Karl Rove plead guilty to making a "false statement".

[UPDATED 6.24.06 5:45AM PST Updates appear in red. Please note that citizenspook will be leaving this post to linger until their is an official response from the Rove defense team as to whether Rove plead guilty.]

The public record and other statements of parties with special knowledge of Patrick Fitzgerald’s Special Counsel investigation support this report.

It appears Luskin's consistent insistence that Rove has never been "charged" or "indicted" is true. Luskin has surgically parsed his words to create a false impression that Rove was not guilty of any legal infractions.

It appears Rove plead guilty to making at least one false statement before “charges” were ever filed and without a “5K deal" or any other deal that I have been made aware of.

However, no "deal" was required for Rove to receive a statutory reduction of the “pending” sentence according to 3E1.1(a) of the Federal sentencing guidelines which provide for a "two level" reduction of sentence where a person has plead guilty and “accepted responsibility” for his actions

The 3E1.1(a) sentence level reduction is triggered by statute -- not the prosecutor – when a guilty party pleads guilty thereby “accepting responsibility” for his actions. The earlier the plea is entered, the more likely 3E1.1(a) will be triggered. There is no requirement that the person pleading guilty assist the prosecution as against any other defendant.

ANALYSIS OF LAWS, FACTS AND STATEMENTS

Chapter 3 Part E - ACCEPTANCE OF RESPONSIBILITY
http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/

wv:
that study goes on to say that they may be more cynical but they tend to vote and their vote is well thought out.

For all who have been keeping tabs or a running list of the scandals, lies, misdemeanors of this administration (and I did keep a list for three years but it got to be too much) Wikipedia has them all listed. Pages and pages of them, almost a book. Thought some of you might want to have them for your library. I must say they have missed a couple, the main one being the 2000 election.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:George_W._Bush_administration_controversies

Isn't that the truth, Cap'n Sally? I've been keeping one and I'm up to page 40 now (standard old 8-1/2 x 11).

"House [necro-porn] leaders are expected to introduce a resolution today condemning The New York Times for publishing a story last week that exposed govt [pawin' & grubbin'] of [citizens'] banking records."

Smells n' looks exactly like the hurry-scurry Teri Schiavo circus that rover cooked up... & why not get all hot n' bothered about the OTHER media (wall st journal etc) that came out with the exact same info. Dang! I detest these voyeur peep-hole-peepin' detestable supremacist biounits.

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House of shame

Congress Republicans are steering clear of Bush as they struggle to hold their seats in midterm polls

Sidney Blumenthal
Thursday June 29, 2006

Guardian

President Bush's effectiveness as a domestic president is ending not with a bang but a whimper. Five months before the midterm elections, congressional Republicans fear that association with him may alienate their constituencies and result in loss of the House of Representatives. They hold the House by only 15 seats, and suddenly even previously safe districts are at risk. Just a month ago Bush delivered a televised address on immigration, urging Congress to provide for eventual citizenship for the more than 12 million illegal immigrants in the country (the pro-business position). He convinced the Senate, but the House refused to budge from its punitive position to criminalise any assistance to them.
The White House had hoped that the killing of the terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi would reverse Bush's slide in popularity. Indeed there was a slight bump upward of several points. But this is a classic epiphenomenon that has already started to wither. From the vantage point of Capitol Hill, Bush's evanescent Zarqawi "recovery" has failed to cast any glow on to Republican prospects. Enforcing party discipline for a purely political Congressional vote last week endorsing Bush's policy, such as it is, in Iraq has barely quelled panic. As Bush briefly nudged up from the low to mid-30s, Republican candidates fell further behind. For Republicans, Bush has become cement shoes.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329516528-103677,00.html

That Wikipedia list may very well come in handy at The Hague/International Criminal Court someday. Wishful thinking, maybe, but there are many people in (and around) power right now in this country with a great deal to answer for.

So many lies, so much deception, so much blood and murder and lives lost... and for what??

Profit? That's ALL??

We cannot possibly hope to ever set things straight in this country without putting them all on public trial to answer for their numerous crimes against humanity and nature. And as I've said before, the American people themselves must take the blame and responsibility for allowing this tragedy to happen.

Has anyone looked at Bush's transits to his natal chart for November 7, 2006? Saturn and Pluto are forming a grand trine to his MC while tr. Uranis is forming a grand trine to his natal moon/jupiter conjunction in the 3rd house and his natal uranis/north node in the llth. The only negative I see is tr. Mars square his natal Pluto in the lst but at the same time tr. Mars is sextile his own natal Mars. Looking at these transits puts me in despair -- can anyone see something I'm missing that offers some hope for a Democratic turnaround? Would appreciate feedback.
Carol J, June 28, 2006

I ll give you a brief of the fucking bush's natal chart Carol. No stars and planets could save his downfall in the coming years coz of his lack of acting upon important issues. Can anyone remind him of the illegal immgrants flooding across the border, who's gonna secure America and his future?????? Noone damn!

Carol J-I know that everything seems to be going in the direction our masters want. The hard times seem to have had no lasting effect on them and they are seemingly rolling along with their plans. The supreme court is doing what they were put in place to do.
My question is why are these people having it all their way. Am I crazy being pro-choice, anti-war, femininist, socialistic?
I feel in my bones that nothing is going to change much. Seems to me that the Democratic leadership likes things the way they are. They are afraid to offer any change of direction.
I know that I want to cry when I see the young mothers at work mincing along on their dainty high rise heels and filmy dresses clutching their handbags. I know that they have been up before the sun making lunches,getting clothes together, trying to encourage the children getting them all off to daycare and school. I know that their husband/partners are there too trying to figure out how they will cover the mortgage, the childcare, the car payments and the gas for those cars at over $3 a gallon and that is down from almost $3.50 a gallon. I have to go to work now but I was trying to draw a picture of the totally fake world the rightwing is drawing with their pro-war,anti-choice, anti-intellectual images and philosophy and I even left out the right wing Christians with their woman fearing world hatinh religion.
Love to all and let us tend to the seeds we have planted that will one day clothe the earth with our love.

Blazing red alert on cnn: the Supremes say Smirky's tribunals are a no-no.
http://www.cnn.com/

Whoa, Nellie!

Shy does anyone have a time for it ?

A good little something from a Cultural Creative GreenMan...

* A free e-book by Dean Baker, published May 2006
Download as a PDF | Read book in HTML

In his new book, economist Dean Baker debunks the myth that conservatives favor the market over govt intervention. In fact, cons rely on a range of “nanny state” policies that ensure the rich get richer while leaving most Americans worse off. It’s time for the rules to change. Sound economic policy should harness the market in ways that produce desirable social outcomes – decent wages, good jobs & affordable health care.

Praise for The Conservative Nanny State

“Here is the brutal truth, exposed systematically, methodically, unsparingly. Forget the pork rinds & the hokey Texas twang: Conservative govt is govt by & for the upper class.” – Thomas Frank, author of What's the Matter with Kansas? How Conservatives Won the Heart of America

“Dean Baker is one of the most insightful & original economists in Washington. With this book, he exposes the prevailing myth of modern cons. They are not for limited govt, as they claim. Rather, they are for a govt that helps their own. Baker says it is time to balance the books. Govt is by all the people, for all the people. It's that simple.” – Jeff Madrick, author of Why Economies Grow: The Forces That Shape Prosperity & How We Can Get Them Working Again

http://www.conservativenannystate.org/

June 29, 2006
Editorial

A Loss for Competitive Elections

The Supreme Court, in a badly fractured decision yesterday, largely upheld Tom DeLay's gerrymandering of the Texas Congressional districts. Instead of standing up for a fair electoral landscape, the court produced a ruling that did little to ensure the vibrancy of American democracy, and that itself had an unfortunate whiff of partisanship.

Given the strong negative feelings that voters have about Congress — in a recent Times poll, just 23 percent of those surveyed approved of the job lawmakers were doing — it is startling how few races are expected to be competitive this fall. This is largely because of increasingly sophisticated partisan gerrymandering that uses high-powered computers to draw lines that in many cases make voters all but irrelevant.

Texas' 2003 redistricting was an extreme case. Mr. DeLay, who was then the House majority leader, led a fierce and successful campaign to capture Texas' Legislature for the Republicans. (He is facing criminal charges of using illegal corporate campaign contributions to do it.) Then, even though Texas had already redistricted after the 2000 census, the Legislature took the rare step of redistricting again. The new lines were drawn in such a partisan way that Republicans ended up with nearly two-thirds of the state's Congressional delegation.

The Supreme Court has indicated in the past that gerrymandering can be so egregious that it violates the Constitution's equal protection clause. But the court has never set out a test to determine what constitutes such a violation, and it failed to do so again yesterday. The court has proved itself capable of thinking up elaborate tests when it wants to — it has made up standards virtually out of whole cloth, for example, to decide when Congress has infringed on states' rights. It is disappointing that the court is not as resourceful when it comes to protecting voters' rights. The court rightly struck down one Congressional district yesterday, citing the Voting Rights Act, but that did not begin to address the serious problems with the 2003 redistricting.

In this post-Bush-vs.-Gore era, the court's critics will note that it again split on partisan lines, with the most conservative justices most approving of the Texas lines. That was also true in a 2004 case in which it upheld, by a 5-to-4 vote, a pro-Republican redistricting in Pennsylvania. But that same year the court, disturbingly, affirmed a lower court's ruling striking down a pro-Democratic redistricting in Georgia as unconstitutional. It is disappointing that it could not have come up with a decision yesterday that had a greater appearance of fairness.

Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company

Folks, I thought you might be interested in the campaign to stop further media concentration into the hands of a few corporations at read about it at www.stopbigmedia.com.

Morgana, I don't know what time. The earliest I've seen something posted in response is this (dailykos.com):
SCOTUS rules AGAINST Bush's actions regarding Gitmo (UPDATED with juicy links)
by clammyc
Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 07:16:11 AM PDT

So, it was early in the day. Surely somebody'll find out the time soon.

Morgana you could always, of course, ask (*giggle*) Jerome.

Heya Shy, it'll turn up. I don't know Jerome to ask him. If I get a chance (I'm at work) I'll surf around the time will show up somewhere.

This guy is of the opinion that the Supremes' decision could have much broader implications in terms of the whole torture and interrogation, etc.:
http://www.scotusblog.com/movabletype/archives/2006/06/hamdan_summary.html

(Morgana, I was just making a little joke about Jerome.)

Must be a Varuna thing.

The Madness of King George

Bush vows to pursue detainee war trials
AP - 1 hour, 8 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - After a Supreme Court decision overruling war crimes trials for Guantanamo Bay detainees, President Bush suggested Thursday he would seek Congress' approval to proceed with trying terrorism suspects before military tribunals. "To the extent that there is latitude to work with the Congress to determine whether or not the military tribunals will be an avenue in which to give people their day in court, we will do so," he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/guantanamo_detainees

Today t.Saturn is 10 + Leo and conjuncts Resident Chimps' n.Pluto 10 + Leo in his 1st house. The USSC bitch slapped Bush for all the world to see!
More humilation to come for our monkey business as usual WH resident! :}
"Following those attacks, the administration and its supporters argued that since the commander-in-chief is authorized by the Constitution to wage war, the president has sweeping authority to adopt such tactics as designating enemy combatants, holding them indefinitely, creating military commissions, treating possible terrorists in Guantanamo Bay without deference to the Geneva Conventions, crafting guidelines on torture and so on.
"http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/custom/newsroom/chi-060629gitmo-analysis,1,805177.story

Now I am wondering if Fritzgerald will pull another WH indicted rabbit out of the hat soon?

Poll: Has Smirky&Co overstepped legal bounda in its war on terra?
http://www.cnn.com/
On your right, just scroll down until you find it, then Vote!

Morgana, according to his response to a reporter today, Smirky said the ruling came in while he was talking with the Prime Minister. According to this,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/06/20060629.html
the PM arrived at 9:11 EDT and they were through speechifying at 9:25.
Hope this helps.

Panel Rejects Net Neutrality
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/062906O.shtml
The Senate commerce committee endorsed a sweeping overhaul of telecommunications laws Wednesday - moments after rejecting, in a dramatic tie vote, an amendment that would have preserved the status quo of equal pricing for all Internet traffic, an issue that has come to be known as network neutrality.

Here's a synopsis of the Hamden case:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamdan_v._Rumsfeld

Another Escalation from the Palestinians

Israeli "Retaliation" and Double Standards

By JONATHAN COOK

06/28/06 "Counterpunch" -- -- The killing by Palestinian militants of two Israeli soldiers and the capture of a third from an army post close to the Gaza Strip set the scene for Israeli "reprisals" and "retaliation", according to the reports of BBC correspondents in Israel and Gaza yesterday.

The attack by the Palestinians, who sneaked through tunnels under the electronic fence surrounding Gaza, marked a "major escalation in cross-border tension" (Alan Johnston) that threatened to overturn "a week of progress on two fronts" (John Lyon): namely, the recent talks between Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert and Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas in Jordan, and between rival Palestinian groups Fatah and Hamas.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13791.htm

Poll needs yr help:
Lifting the ban on offshore oil drilling is a good thing?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13622916 /

WV thanks for the article regarding the Palestine and Israel broken peace going on. I don't think it's registered with most people what a dangerous situation this is, particularly now. Something like this plus Iraq and Pakistan pointedly telling the US they don't need our advice or interference in their business, can so easily be the fire that lights the whole Middle East.

The Battle Between Good & Evil:

Subject: "Fat" Theology

And God populated the earth with broccoli and cauliflower and spinach, green and yellow vegetable of all kinds, so Man and Woman would live long and healthy lives.

And Satan created McDonald's. And McDonald's brought forth the 99-cent double-cheeseburger. And Satan said to Man, "You want fries with that?"

And Man said, "Super size them." And Man gained pounds.

And God created the healthful yogurt, that woman might keep her figure that man found so fair.

And Satan brought forth chocolate. And woman gained pounds.

And God said, "Try my crispy fresh salad."

And Satan brought forth ice cream.

And woman gained pounds.

And God said, "I have sent your heart healthy vegetables and olive oil with which to cook them."

And Satan brought forth chicken-fried steak so big it needed its own platter.

And Man gained pounds and his bad cholesterol went through the roof.

And God brought forth running shoes and Man resolved to lose those extra pounds.

And Satan brought forth cable TV with remote control so Man would not have to toil to change channels between ESPN and ESPN2.

And Man gained pounds.

And God said, "You're running up the score, Devil."

And God brought forth the potato, a vegetable naturally low in fat and brimming with nutrition.

And Satan peeled off the healthful skin and sliced the starchy center into chips and deep-fat fried them. And he created sour cream dip also.

And Man clutched his remote control and ate the potato chips swaddled in cholesterol.

And Satan saw and said, "It is good."

And Man went into cardiac arrest.

And God sighed and created quadruple bypass surgery.

And Satan created HMOs.--

It's that lurker from the land of the long white cloud again logging off for the weekend.

Alas no (astrological) answer for the huge decision brought down by the Supreme Court.
Hopefully the stubborn Scot in me will persist (Sun in Taurus, you better believe it)

Philomena is right in that tSaturn cjn radix Pluto was the major player as far as its efffect on your flawed fearless leader.
Also it answers Carol J's query about Nov 07. It's the hard aspects that do the damage if you're not aware of them (forewarned is forearmed).
Your flawed fearless leader has lotsa good stuff going on for him right now and look what happened.

Sally, fellow Siblyite, any clues for this stubborn Scot who just can't see anything in the Sibly which suggests such, what I believe to be, an historic decision.

According to some, if chemical weapons happen to, God forbide, explode in the middle of tel Aviv, somehow that's just what Israel diserves. Certainly, in this most unfortunate and heartbreaking life and death struggle for both the Israeli's and the Palestinians, both peoples bare the heavy burden of the past and current actions. But, here, on these pages, whatever the circumstances, Israel gets the blame. From time to time I look at this site. Some of it thoughtful and sublime. Some of it stretches beyond what's reationable. But some things stay constant. You can always be assurd of some subtle and some not so subtle rallying against Isreal. Some even look beyond the borders of the middle east and blame Israel with grand schemes of world domination. Really now,Israel causing all the evils in the world. Where have I heard that before. Has Israel caused suffering. Of course. Put your finger anywhere on the map and there's not a spot in the world that man's inhumanity toward man doesn't exist. But for some, the epicenter of woe is Israel. They play that one note as if when Israel is pushed into the sea heaven on earth will be established. I don't know who is worse the christain right who supports Isreal only to have some prophecy fulfilled for it's ultimate distuction or those who hide there anti semitism behind anti Israel propaganda. I know this usually starts some back and forth. But it's been too long since someone said something about these constant posts by some astroworld favorites.
As an aside "fat theology" was hilarious.

If Israel wants peace they must get the hell out
of the West Bank, NOW! They have occupied it since
1967. They must give up ALL of the settlements.
Give an equal amount of water to the Palestinians.
Let them use their seacoast and fish off of their
own country. Open their borders to Jordan and Egypt. Give up the Golan Heights, and return to
Lebanon land that is theirs.
It is the Israelis that are blocking peace!
They have the most powerful army in the Middle
East and have over 400 atomic weapons, yet don't
admit it, nor do they belong to the IAEA. We
invaded Iraq because they had 2 UN Resolutions
against them, Israel has 67 ignored Resolutions.
Our foreign policy of the last 50 years, supporting Israel regardless of what they do is
what has caused the current world situation.
Our Congress votes the Israeli line, hook, line
and sinker for fear of being called anti-semetic.
I suggest readers read or reread Justin's Anti-War
column posted on the last thread, called The Assassins.
Also go back a few threads to read Grizzily's letter of farewell. He, a Jew, stated that he
couldn't understand the refusal of people on this
site to discuss the influence of Israel on US
policy. I have said before, many times in this space that there will be NO PEACE until this situation is discussed openly and honestly in this
country, in Congress, in the Media, on the Internet.
Read Haaratz, The Jerusalem Post, and other
publications that will give you varied views.
The idea of invading Palestine at midnight and
blowing up a power station, cutting innocent women
and children off of light, water, and the ability
to flush their toilets is savagery. A couple of
weeks ago, they shelled the beaches killing seven
people in one family. This is civilized?
I am tired of seeing American lives being lost
to carry forward Israeli policy. Just before the
Iraq war John Bolton went to Israel and promised
that we would eventually attack both Syria and Iran as Israel requested.
If you are looking to the American media to find
the truth about the Middle East you are wasting
your time. Even the BBC is suspect. Most give you
85% of the Israeli view and 15% of the Palestinian
side. Hardly "fair and balanced"!
If the Jews believed for some 2000 years that they had the 'right of return', certainly, the
same is true for the Palestinians. But there are
some in Israel, very vocal, that no Arabs at all
should live in both Israel and Palestine. And some
believe they should control all land from the Nile
to the Euphrates!
The Balfour Agreement of 1917 stated that the
Jews should have a "home" in Palestine, not a
"Homeland". In 1920 there was an agreement signed
between Hussein and the Zionists that the latter
were welcomed in Palestine, could have their own
language, temples, schools, banks, etc. Zionism
is a political movement accepted by both the right and the left in Isaeli politics.
For those you don't remember the Old Testament
or the Torah, both Arabs and Jews are Semites,
both races fathered by Abraham who was from Ur in
Iraq.
And if WE want PEACE, we must stop supporting
Israel's every move. Quit giving them money to
build walls. Recognize that Palestines are human
and spiritual beings as well and quit trying to
starve them to death.

Forward thinking!

Vatican vows to expel stem cell scientists from Church

By Malcolm Moore in Rome and Roger Highfield, Science Editor
(Filed: 30/06/2006)

Scientists who carry out embryonic stem cell research and politicians who pass laws permitting the practice will be excommunicated, the Vatican said yesterday.

"Destroying human embryos is equivalent to an abortion. It is the same thing," said Cardinal Alfonso Lopez Trujillo, head of the Pontifical Council for the Family.

"Excommunication will be applied to the women, doctors and researchers who eliminate embryos [and to the] politicians that approve the law," he said in an interview with Famiglia Christiana, an official Vatican magazine.

Excommunication forbids Catholics from receiving communion, assisting in any Church duties, and sometimes from having a Church burial.

But the threat was shrugged off yesterday by Italy's leading expert on cloning, Prof Cesare Galli, of the Laboratory of Reproductive Technologies in Cremona, who was the first scientist to clone a horse.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=MN3KYI1OIWMRFQFIQMGSFGGAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2006/06/30/wstem30.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/06/30/ixnews.html

Zionism Is Nobody's Friend

By Judy Andreas
http://www.judyandreas.com/
5-6-6

" I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the U.S., in the field of commerce and manufacturing, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." The New Freedom. Woodrow Wilson, 1913

What was this power to which Wilson referred? Why was it talked about in hushed tones and behind closed doors?

Our public has been and continues to be duped. It is a process which begins early and is unrelenting. It begins in homes and schools. It begins on the radio and television. It begins in the print media. And, ultimately, a Pavlovian reaction occurs; man is no longer a critical thinker. Man has become a machine. I know the process all too well; I was a part of it for more years than I care to admit. And now that I am able to see beyond the curtain, even if only partially, I want nothing more then to alert people to the game that is being played at their expense.

http://www.rense.com/general71/zzon.htm

BUSH TEAM HELPS RULING PARTY “FLORIDIZE” MEXICAN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

by Greg Palast

Greg Palast is the author of the New York Times bestseller, “ARMED MADHOUSE: Who’s Afraid of Osama Wolf?, China Floats Bush Sinks, the Scheme to Steal ‘08, No Child’s Behind Left and other Dispatches from the Front Lines of the Class War.”

Friday, June 30 — GEORGE Bush’s operatives have plans to jigger with the upcoming elections. I’m not talking about the November ‘06 vote in the USA (though they have plans for that, too). I’m talking about the election this Sunday in Mexico for their Presidency.

It begins with an FBI document marked, “Counterterrorism” and “Foreign Intelligence Collection” and “Secret.” Date: “9/17/2001,” six days after the attack on the World Trade towers. It’s nice to know the feds got right on the ball, if a little late.

What does this have to do with jiggering Mexico’s election? Hold that thought.

This document is what’s called a “guidance” memo for using a private contractor to provide databases on dangerous foreigners. Good idea. We know the 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the Persian Gulf Emirates. So you’d think the “Intelligence Collection” would be aimed at getting info on the guys in the Gulf.

No so. When we received the document, we obtained as well its classified appendix. The target nations for “foreign counterterrorism investigation” were nowhere near the Persian Gulf. Every one was in Latin America — Argentina, Venezuela, Mexico and a handful of others.

http://www.gregpalast.com/stealing-mexico

Spreading Cancer
Depleted uranium turns Bush's lies into high-tech horror

By ROBERT C. KOEHLER
Tribune Media Services

June 29, 2006

The unending game of “pretend” that the U.S. media allow George Bush to play on the global stage, so often letting his lying utterances hang suspended, unchallenged, in the middle of the story, as though they were plausible — as though a class of third-graders couldn’t demolish them with a few innocent questions — feels like the journalistic equivalent of waterboarding. Gasp! Some truth, please!

I suggest the prez has forfeited the right to command a headline, or half a story, or an uninterrupted quote: “. . . we’ll defend ourselves, but at the same time we’re actively working with our partners to spread peace and democracy,” he said last week in Austria.

Surely “spreading democracy” should no longer be allowed to appear in print, between now and 2008, unless accompanied by a parenthetical clarification (“not true,” stated as profanely as local standards allow). And that, of course, would only be the media’s first step back into integrity with the public.

The rest if the above story is here

http://www.commonwonders.com/

Israel commits State Terrorism
28.06.2006 Source:


The flagrant practice of State Terrorism perpetrated by Israel, replying to terrorist acts with terrorism, can only be counter-productive. If Tel Aviv thinks that destroying civilian infrastructures will being Cpl. Shalit back, it is right – in a body bag.


If the UK had replied to terrorist acts by the IRA by massacres of civilians in Belfast, the whole world would have shouted out in horror.

When Moscow launches an operation to liquidate terrorist elements or to exterminate bandits in Chechnya, a hail of criticism falls on Moscow from those countries which protect the leaders of the “rebels” or “freedom fighters”, the international terrorists whose main aim is to destabilise the State of the Russian Federation.

When the Russian authorities acted in Beslan to free the children being held by these pigs, the European Union even asked for explanations. Yet when the State of Israel massacres Palestinians enjoying a picnic on the beach or when great destruction is caused to free a hostage, the world is quiet.

How can Tel Aviv expect to win the propaganda war, claim the moral high ground and win the hearts and minds of the international community by destroying civilian infrastructures in Gaza with military hardware, namely an act of State Terrorism? However wrong, criminal and unacceptable the kidnapping of Corporal Gilad Shalit was, an action carried out not by “militants” as some say but rather by terrorists, it is equally unacceptable to target bridges and power stations with military hardware.

This is a war crime and it is State Terrorism However Tel Aviv will never figure on the US State Department’s black list on terrorism basically because Tel Aviv does what it wants. It is one of the foundations of the New World Order, where disrespect for the law seems to be a rule and not an exception.

Timothy BANCROFT-HINCHEY
PRAVDA.Ru

terrry, if you are a lurker and have only lurked for a while, then you wouldn't have seen that these 'favorites' you speak of (who don't lurk, but put themselves out there and comment) are NOT anti semetic. This is also a very convenient ploy ....blame the messenger. This is about actions...and if actions cannot be held accpimtab;e by being examined, then those who object to the exposure and call the messenger 'anti semetic' is actually a part of the problem.

that should be accountable...not the other....

And I am going to be held accountable for bad grammar....that should be 'are actually a part of the problem'. I had two phone calls in the middle of the sentence and lost track.

I would add that our foreign policy for 40 + years has been tied to Israel.....so I think we SHOULD be finding out the truth of the actions both here in the US where there is active supression of all dissent aimed at Israel (the difference being...not JEWS, but Israeli policy specifically towards Palestine) both in colleges and in congress...and even, personally, on me...as one of my oldest and closest friends who is Jewish married a zionist and told me NEVER to bring up Israel with her. We don't talk at all anymore. I'm not Jewish...I obviously have been relegated to the untouchable status now....so it works both ways.

AN EPIC WEEK OF CUTTING AND RUNNING

Molly Ivins, AlterNet

In the middle of the GOP's weeklong festival of referring to
Dems as the party of 'retreat,' they abruptly announced
their own cut'n'run program.

http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/38257/

As I suspected, an unslaught of ultra-anti israeli propaganda sources, even laughable as "fair and balanced"from wv; and from his chearing section, Judigem, she trots out that old story about her friend who's married to a zionist(how many times are you going to use that one.) Wv, "good Lord" expand your hoirizons. Ratta tat tat as if quantity of sources represents quality. It's the same old, same old from you folks.

Hmmm... talk about "same old, same old"... ;O)

(...& it doesn't take much to spell-check if one happened to miss out for some reason on one's elementary education or didn't care a wit about it in the first place by reason they knew already all things...)

Anyway, like most fanatical lazy cowards, zionists waited until all the hard work of establishing Israel had been done before they muscled in to make everybody's lives miserable. Nobody with an ounce of humanity likes 'em... they smell bad.

HAD ENOUGH?
~DARKNESS AT NOON FOR DEMOCRACY~

Ideology doesn't matter.

You are a tyrannical thug whether you are Joseph Stalin, Benito Mussolini, or Francisco Franco.

And Cheney and his Puppet Bush are thugs in that infamous tradition.

People who are utter failures in executing policy often rise to power because they are experts at brutally seizing power and silencing dissent. It is the law of the political jungle. Kill off dissent -- and no one can expose your wretched failures.

Democrats on the Hill who still harbor an idea that what is going on is about an alleged "war on terrorism" or fight for liberty or "victory" in Iraq are in need of a new prescription for their glasses.

This is a about the raw, ruthless seizure of power and the machineries of state by one radical faction within a democracy.

And that radical faction has as one of its major goals the elimination of democracy.

Continued~ http://www.buzzflash.com/editorial/06/06/edi06050.html

June 30, 2006
Op-Ed Contributors

A Secret the Terrorists Already Knew
By RICHARD A. CLARKE and ROGER W. CRESSEY

COUNTERTERRORISM has become a source of continuing domestic and international political controversy. Much of it, like the role of the Iraq war in inspiring new terrorists, deserves analysis and debate. Increasingly, however, many of the political issues surrounding counterterrorism are formulaic, knee-jerk, disingenuous and purely partisan. The current debate about United States monitoring of transfers over the Swift international financial system strikes us as a case of over-reaction by both the Bush administration and its critics.

Going after terrorists' money is a necessary element of any counterterrorism program, as President Bill Clinton pointed out in presidential directives in 1995 and 1998. Individual terrorist attacks do not typically cost very much, but running terrorist cells, networks and organizations can be extremely expensive.

Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah and other terrorist groups have had significant fund-raising operations involving solicitation of wealthy Muslims, distribution of narcotics and even sales of black market cigarettes in New York. As part of a "follow the money" strategy, monitoring international bank transfers is worthwhile (even if, given the immense number of transactions and the relatively few made by terrorists, it is not highly productive) because it makes operations more difficult for our enemies. It forces them to use more cumbersome means of moving money.

Privacy rights advocates, with whom we generally agree, have lumped this bank-monitoring program with the alleged National Security Agency wiretapping of calls in which at least one party is within the United States as examples of our government violating civil liberties in the name of counterterrorism. The two programs are actually very different.

Any domestic electronic surveillance without a court order, no matter how useful, is clearly illegal. Monitoring international bank transfers, especially with the knowledge of the bank consortium that owns the network, is legal and unobjectionable.

The International Economic Emergency Powers Act, passed in 1977, provides the president with enormous authority over financial transactions by America's enemies. International initiatives against money laundering have been under way for a decade, and have been aimed not only at terrorists but also at drug cartels, corrupt foreign officials and a host of criminal organizations.

These initiatives, combined with treaties and international agreements, should leave no one with any presumption of privacy when moving money electronically between countries. Indeed, since 2001, banks have been obliged to report even transactions entirely within the United States if there is reason to believe illegal activity is involved. Thus we find the privacy and illegality arguments wildly overblown.

So, too, however, are the Bush administration's protests that the press revelations about the financial monitoring program may tip off the terrorists. Administration officials made the same kinds of complaints about news media accounts of electronic surveillance. They want the public to believe that it had not already occurred to every terrorist on the planet that his telephone was probably monitored and his international bank transfers subject to scrutiny. How gullible does the administration take the American citizenry to be?

Terrorists have for many years employed nontraditional communications and money transfers — including the ancient Middle Eastern hawala system, involving couriers and a loosely linked network of money brokers — precisely because they assume that international calls, e-mail and banking are monitored not only by the United States but by Britain, France, Israel, Russia and even many third-world countries.

While this was not news to terrorists, it may, it appears, have been news to some Americans, including some in Congress. But should the press really be called unpatriotic by the administration, and even threatened with prosecution by politicians, for disclosing things the terrorists already assumed?

In the end, all the administration denunciations do is give the press accounts an even higher profile. If administration officials were truly concerned that terrorists might learn something from these reports, they would be wise not to give them further attention by repeatedly fulminating about them.

There is, of course, another possible explanation for all the outraged bloviating. It is an election year. Karl Rove has already said that if it were up to the Democrats, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi would still be alive. The attacks on the press are part of a political effort by administration officials to use terrorism to divide America, and to scare their supporters to the polls again this year.

The administration and its Congressional backers want to give the impression that they are fighting a courageous battle against those who would wittingly or unknowingly help the terrorists. And with four months left before Election Day, we can expect to hear many more outrageous claims about terrorism — from partisans on both sides. By now, sadly, Americans have come to expect it.

Richard A. Clarke and Roger W. Cressey, counterterrorism officials on the National Security Council under Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, are security consultants.

Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company

Terry

No one is forcing you to stay here.

Judy Andreas is Jewish, and her website is at
the top of the page. And if you want to remain in
the dark that is your privilge.

However, I shall repeat, until this Isreali problem is settled, there will NEVER be peace.
It won't be settled by hiding our head in the sand.

How many people do you want to see die, before
you begin to see the truth?

And what would you do if your country was occupied for 39 years?

Expand your horizon you may learn something!

A request from Steve Judd...at www.stevejudd.com

Thought For the Day

30 June

Everyone should have their own astrologer, even me, and my astrologer and I are at loggerheads over the horoscope of the USA. I think that the Sibley chart with Sagittarius rising is the correct one, whilst he suggests that the true rising sign might be Gemini. And we disagree on what the majority of American astrologers think about it, as well. So, in a completely unscientific way, can I ask anyone out there for an opinion on the matter, especially if you’re an American with astrological knowledge? A one word answer will do – is the USA Gemini or Sagittarius rising?

Bush’s Supporters
Will Libel Any Foe

By Joe Conason

In the acrid debate over Iraq, the President’s supporters will say anything. They will question the patriotism of those who disagree with “staying the course.” They will insinuate cowardice on the part of those who would “cut and run.” Even though they avoided military service, they will denigrate the records of decorated veterans like John Kerry and Jack Murtha. They will even accuse the war’s critics of providing “aid and comfort” to the enemy, which is the legal definition of treason.

Then the White House will turn around—after days of encouraging such vilification of their opponents—and leak the commanding general’s optimistic plan to start withdrawing troops, which would proceed according to the same timetable proposed by those weak and pusillanimous Democrats. That is meant to reassure the majority of Americans who realize invading Iraq was a strategic error and a tragedy that must be concluded as soon as possible.

http://www.observer.com/20060703/20060703_Joe_Conason_opinions_conason.asp

FILMMAKER PUTS MOVIE IN HANDS OF SOLDIERS
Documentary gives unique angle on war

- Joe Garofoli, Chronicle Staff Writer
Friday, June 30, 2006

A buzz-generating documentary opening today in the Bay Area presents a new way to approach the national conversation about the Iraq war, a debate that often gets derailed over whether the real story is being told there.

The filmmaker's solution: Give video cameras to the soldiers on the ground and let them roll tape for a year, nearly uncensored.

The result is "The War Tapes," a 94-minute film culled from 1,100 hours of footage, which is revolutionary on several levels. Not only is the film created in the same raw, user-generated manner that is powering the explosion of blogs and video-sharing sites on the Internet, it is bypassing the traditional media gatekeepers who some soldiers -- and, for different reasons, anti-war activists -- think are not telling the war's true stories.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/06/30/MNGAAJN9JC1.DTL&type=printable

Wv; I'm free to leave and I'm free to stay. I'm free to comment just as you are.My horizons expand everyday. I however don't choose your cherry picked articles as a guiding light (especailly considering your sources). On occassion I check into an article you've posted and most of the time find them incrediably borish and one sided. There's very little original thinking. That's your priviledge. But once in a while, others who see two sides, who can have compassion for two peoples caught in insanity, have to say something to balance your closed point of view.

Heya all... just wanted to mention about SCOTUS slap down, Jorge has t. Saturn just moving off his n. Pluto, and t. Mercury Rx., coming to conjunct his n. Saturn once again, eeeewww tasty yes ?

Quite tasty, Morgana! ;O) More, more... we want more!!

Stan - Perhaps the t Venus 6+ Gemini conj US's 2nd prog Uranus in 6+ Gemini triggered the USSC internal revolt against Bush's powergrap. The US Sibly Uranus is in the 6th house -- which governs affairs of the military -- in this case the conflict btw Bush's military trials and the USMC -- and Geneva Conventions of 1949. Venus in the US's chart rules the 10th & 11th house -- i.e. the executive (10th H) & legislative (11th H). Also -- I noted that the mysterious Black Moon Lilith was in 22 degrees Virgo yesterday when the ruling came down -- and exactly conj. US Neptune in Virgo in the 9th house -- governing the highest court in the US -- USSC.

Saturn is exalted in Libra in the US's 10th house -- and demands that constitutional rule of law prevail -- t. Saturn is in Leo and recently (last week) did conjunct the US's N N in Leo. This was the time that the Justices were probably deliberating their opinions between themselves -- with the respective Justice's Clerks preparing the opinion to be published.

Post Script to last post:
The US Saturn in Libra is disposited by Venus -- ergo, Venus would of necessity have to be the trigger planet behind the USSC's opinion. Also - US's natal Venus @ 3 Cancer is trine to US's prog. Saturn @ 3 Scorpio.

2nd Post Script to last two posts -- the New Moon in Cancer was 3 + Cancer and conjuncted the US's Venus in Cancer and trined US's 2nd Prog Saturn 3 Scorpio.

This was a well ground lightning strike on the WH gang -- send down by the USSC!!

"well grounded lightning strike"
Philomena

The government is losing its reason

By Haaretz Editorial

06/30/06 "Haaretz" -- -- Bombing bridges that can be circumvented both by car and on foot; seizing an airport that has been in ruins for years; destroying a power station, plunging large parts of the Gaza Strip into darkness; distributing flyers suggesting that people be concerned about their fate; a menacing flight over Bashar Assad's palace; and arresting elected Hamas officials: The government wishes to convince us that all these actions are intended only to release the soldier Gilad Shalit.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13802.htm

wv -- I immensely enjoy your clear and unbiased posts exposing the dark fascistic political side of Zionism/Israel who is the monster mother to the neo conservative movement's coup detat of the US government -- ;) As for some other poster -- me thinks this person doth protest to much! Anti Zionism is not antisemitism -- http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

WHO IS THE US CONGRESS LISTENING TO?
Well, Israel certainly wants war! But that is Israel. Why would the US Congress, which supposedly exists to serve the will of the AMERICAN people, be obeying the will of Israel?
Well, maybe because Israel's lobbying/spying organization, AIPAC, is PAYING THEM TO!

You heard me. Members of AIPAC, the organization suspected of spying for Israel, donate vast sums of money to the members of US Congress. And the US Congress has sold our young men and women in uniform to go off and fight and die in wars Israel has created.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/whoiscongresslisteningto.html

Terry, you obviously are on a mission. Israel has gone mad and continues on its crazy way because they know there will never be any consequences for their murdering viciousness. Israeli's are like the american settlers who wiped out the indiginous people all the time proclaiming the savagery of those very people. Whoa to the home dweller when those marauding europeans move in. The israeli's in charge are much more european than jew and they are muderous and they continue to provoke the bloody revenge they endure which still is so small when balanced against the collective punishments they carry out on palestiniens.
I just had what I am saying proven in the most unexpected way. I picked up my merriam-webster dictionary to check the spelling of palestinien and the word is not in the dictionary although israel and israeli is there. I completely surrender to the facts of life. I refer you to Starpath Visions and the essay on the chart of the founding of israel.
I always go with the Sibly for the cowboy, generous, religious qualities i remember and for the pluto in the second. Somewhere i read an essay where someone suggested an ascendent that put pluto in the tenth and I could definitely see that. Was that the gemini rising chart? No that wouldn't work. so I guess I'm voting for the Sibly chart.

When people generalize, i.e., all Zionists are bad, murderous, etc., it gets quite dangerous, as in exactly which Jews or Israelis are Zionists and which are not? As in African-Americans commit all the crime, etc. As in, if Israel wants to protect itself and it's people against terrorism, doesn't it have a right? For me, generalizations and labels are dangerous. OK, I agree, Israel goes too far. I gasped in horror that they shut down Gaza in response to the killing of their soldier's and kidnapping of the 3rd one. However, Israel has tried in the past to not respond to terrorism (as I have said before here, during a period when the U.S. asked them to not derail the peace process), until they finally had enough. So now Israel over-reacts. As much as I am horrified by this, I have very rarely on this site, seen any empathy for the position Israel was put in during the period of slaughter of its people by suicide bombers just a few years ago, before the wall was built. Israel is wrong in many ways, but not all wrong. It was put in a predicament, it was attacked by many Arab countries at the same time, and yet Israel prevailed. Israel has never been able to relax and feel secure, so it amassed weapons and U.S. assistance. Many of you here are not looking at this in perspective or in context. The Palestinians are not just poor victims. For many years, Arafat pocketed foreign aid and encouraged suicide bombers instead of developing his country positively and allowing Israel to feel they could let their guard down. I also noticed that Judy Andreas said that the Zionists were responsible for the Holocaust. To me, that's a bit of a stretch (understatement) - -the Nazi's actions were their own. Thus, reading that sort of statement makes me kind of doubt Judy Andreas's objectivity. Yes, the Zionists wanted to establish a state of Israel long before the Holocaust, but I for one, am happy that the British divided up Palestine and the U.N. voted to recognize Israel as a nation. Whether it was 6 million Jews, or less, as wv as pointed out, Jews were turned away from many countries, including the U.S. Jews needed a home as much as the Palestinians do. Yes, Arabs were pushed out of their homes which existed in the part of Palestine given to the Jews, but, at that point, half of the land was given to the Arab population. And, if Israel hadn't been attacked in 1967, they wouldn't be occupying that land right now. Israel has been put in a position where they had to become fierce to survive.

Also, I find it hard to accept that the U.S. went to war against Sadam Husein for Israel, or that it would attack Iran for Israel's sake. The U.S. is certainly not that altruistic or stupid. If the U.S. goes to war, I am sure it is to benefit the U.S., even if the reasons are greedy and heartless. Any benefit to Israel, if there is one, which came from the U.S.'s invasion of Iraq, is just a by product.

I must say that there are few here who present a balanced view. I agree with you, wv, the mideast would benefit if Israel withdrew from the lands it now occupies as a result of the '67 and '73 war and that Israel needs to be fair about water distribution, etc. I do not know the solution to the water problem. I do know that Hamas only recently, under extreme sanctions, the day before 2 Israeli soldiers were killed and 1 kidnapped, agreed to recognize Israel. I feel, though, that if Hamas cleans up it's act and becomes non-violent, the Palestinian people will have a much better life and earn Israel's respect and trust.

On another note, I saw an Inconvenient Truth today. Not only is it excellent; Al Gore is a hero who will go down in history as such.

Also, I do not know the specifics without checking, but I have heard that for Israel to withdraw from the "occupied territories," it would cause its borders to be vulnerable.

Stan, the answer isn't in the US Chart because this doesn't actually affect the US. It's in the Supreme Court chart (Sept. 24, 1789, NY,NY taking a 12:00pm time) Saturn just went over the Supreme Court's Uranus (unexpected results) Transiting Uranus is in the vicinity of the Supreme's Moon, (a shocking boost for the people) Saturn just went over Bush's Mercury and Pluto (restrictions of past actions) and I don't know the Gitmo timing exactly. I think they started rounding people, any people, up the week after the war started and shipped them off to Gitmo. I will look for that chart however. But look to the Supreme Court and Bush's chart because that's who it affects.

And WV, quit arguing with your astrologer because it doesn't matter. As I have said there are several charts floating around that have been used and events can be pinpointed with each one of them, however the Silby chart always works, without having to manipulate data.

Also, according to the Adams letters, the Declaration of Independence was signed on July 2, 1776 at 2:00pm and he always thought that would be when the Revolution would be celebrated. Instead the people decided to set the celebration for the day it was read July 4th. The Gemini came to the Ascendant at approximately 2:00 am, it's doubtful they read the Declaration between 2:00 and 3:00 am on July 4th.

Astrologers use what works for them, it's beyond foolish to try to convinence someone they have the absolute correct chart, just as it's foolish to try and prove that a person has the absolute correct religion and path to God. With the Gemini chart (if a person is using the July 4, 1776 chart as the chart of the USA) if someone wants to twist and bend the house cusps, so what, it's still July 4th and the math is the same only backward.

Liars abound in "man's world" these days, so I watch behaviors... behaviors tell the truth.

Just a quick note, If I were on a mission I would respond more often to Wv's almost daily, one sided posts about Israel.In fact, the more I think about it, almost daily postings, sometimes multipy postings...now that sounds like, a mission (especially since I don't see Wv's post about the rest of the worlds troubled peoples). Also, about dictionaries, the history books the Palestinians teach there children show no Israel, even as some parade there children with customs of suicide bombers (fake explosives and all)to kill her people.
Just to make my position clear as a Jew, do I wish that Israel always lived up to the ideals of the Jewish people, of course I do. We are taught to help heal the sick, feed the hungry and give shelter to those who are homeless. Would I prefer that Israel flood Gaza and the west bank with food, medical supplies, and building material, I do(of course no other Arab nation, with there billions, has done so either.But that doesn't excuse Israel, it only puts things in context-which i'm willing to do). Do I personally try to practice the ideas of my faith, I do. Do I always get it right, I don't. Do most of the Jewish people in Israel want to live in peace,poll after poll say that they do. Are there many voices in Israel that are allowed to flower, there are. Does Israeli and her people wrestle with the complex situation they have been in since there establishment, they do. To paint Israel and her people, as some do, with a brush of sterotypical sources, I have to reject, on occasion say something, so others may say so too.

For another change of pace which i found at [ http://www.astrologie.ws/weekahead.htm ] "the week ahead":

For a stunningly beautiful interview with God go to: http//www.reata.org/interview2.html (fast internet recommended)

Let the facts speak for themself!

U.N. Body to Review Alleged Israel Abuses
The new U.N. Human Rights Council voted Friday to dedicate time during each future session to a review of alleged human rights abuses by Israel — a move criticized by the United States as misguided and unfair.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2006/06/30/international/i200144D02.DTL

... proving once again that the US Government is in the employ of Israel.

I cannot lump the jewish folk into the cabal of zionist criminals any more than i can lump the american folk in with the cabal of neocon criminals. "Lumping" produces very skewed results & gets folks arguing stupidly. Which reminds me: "It's the lumping, stupid!" ;O)

It's really sad how this place repeatedly devolves into the topic of Israel and its crimes, but I guess it's to be expected when the subject is a gaping, bleeding chest wound in the hearts of many on either side of the debate. The pain leaks out around the wall of silence imposed by the media and our own fear. It has to be expressed somehow until a genuine public discourse is allowed to take place. It all reminds me of the sectarian violence in Ireland, or the treatment of Blacks and Natives in America, or the poverty of Aborignals in Australia: covered with a scab but still festering underneath.

That being said, I find it ironic that this stomach-churning topic is allowed to continue for days on end, whereas a more joyful, positive discussion (about gender, the expression thereof, and the increasing influence of women and elders and sages in a time when we need them), it was mercilessly rooted out. During that time, I was nastily tagged an interloper and accused of changing the rules to suit me. Yet here we are endlessly bickering about Israel right or wrong.

I guess maybe it's okay to change the rules if it's about Israel, eh bhakti?

What has this to do with anything, you ask? About as much as Israel has to do with astrology, I suppose. Carry on, by all means. I've got better places to be.

WV I just re-read your post regarding the Silby chart vs the Gemini chart and saw that you were quoting someone else, Steve Judd's column I think so I apologize that I addressed my response to you.

Morning all, I see you're throwing spit balls at one another and working up to name calling. There have been 13,531 page views this week, of those views the readers were from all over the world, pretty evenly distributed. The last 100 hits have been predominantly from the MiddleEast. Maybe ya'll should include some Israeli/Palestinian astrology and maybe folks could find some hope for peace. I am heartily sick of the bloodshed everywhere on everyside. I had blue screen a death a couple months back so I lost all my charts, I'll dig up the Isr. & Pal. chart(s) I think they were twins, I'll take a look today.

So welcome all our international folks and remember we are not responsible for the posters opinions.

Meanwhile we have a shaky shuttle to launch today, I've got that chart to look at too. Will put up a link to it in a bit. Lift off was scheduled for 3:49 pm, I am using Cape Canaveral Florida.

Bhakti please send me your Mermaid Parade pic's, can't wait to see them!

Note that in the USSC natal chart -- radix Pluto is in 17 Aquarius 08 Rx -- along w/ a natal Mars Neptune sq.

t. Neptune in Aquarius has been conjuncting the USSC radix Pluto since early April - '05.

In the secondary progressed chart -- Mercury is 8 Taurus -- behind the progressed Sun @ 9 Taurus and squares radix Uranus in Leo! If there is to be a meaning "constitutional" revolution in this country to ovewrthrow the Bush - neocon coup detat -- it will have to be the USSC who fires the first shot over the bow of the Bush/Cheney WH ship of state.

Two days ago -- the high court clarified that US Law trumps international treaties in a criminal case going to the rights OF a class of foreign criminals that had been established in the Vienna Convention when they had been detained or committed crimes in the US and tried/sentenced by US Courts.

Wouldn't 10:00 AM be a more probable time to rectify the USSC ascendant to? In all likelihood -- this would give the Court Scorpio rising -- and Pluto as its charts ruler! And they are the last word on the law of the land.

Philomena:

Thank you for that site Jews Not Zionists. I would hope that every poster to this site reads
it, as it is full of good information and history.

I hate this "war" and the constant escalation of
death on all sides. I also realize that much of the blame to starting it goes back to the pro-Zionist neo-cons. And it is the influence of these
people and their fellow travellers in the US Government and media that disturbs me. I think it
is probably the most important issue for discussion relating to
the future of this country. But no one wants to
discuss it for fear of being labeled anti-semite.
I was raised in a Jewish neighborhood. When I went to grade school over 50% of my class was
Jewish. At 3:30 PM they put on their yarmakles and
prayer shawls and went off to Jewish school.
I worked for a Jewish owned company for 30 years.
I was hired by a Jew. I hired a Jewish secretary.
Most of my Jewish friends have no use for Zionists
and what is happening with Israel today.
This site is filled with people who hate what is
going on in the world, and want it to end, but they don't seem to recognize that there will be war, war and more war until the Israel/Palestine
problem is solved.
We should stop sending $3 billion plus a year to
keep Israel afloat, and who use that money to build
fences through Arab property. Yes it was wrong to
kill the two soldiers and kidnap another, but these are desparate people who have been occupied
for 40 years. What would Americans do under the
same circumstances. We all know the answer, and
they would be called "Patriots", an overused word
that depends whose side you support.
To destroy power plants, and forbid Palestinians
to fish off of their own coast. To destroy their
multi-million dollar airport, to build settlement
on the hilltops, and destroy orange and olive groves below, so no gunman can hide behind a tree,
to kill so many women and children is indicative
of a society gone wild. Uncivilized!
In this country the pro-Zionist MSM should be called before Congress and asked to explain themselves. Take away television and radio licenses
of those who are using 'the public's airwaves' for
free, and refuse to give both sides of a story.
Reagan did away with the 'Fairness Doctrine' and
it should be brought back ASAP.

If the Israelis would get out of Palestine by
the end of the year, we would be well on the road
to PEACE. And we must change our Foreign Policy.

Israel's chart now has Mars in Leo transiting its 10th house which contains the Leo stellium of Moon, Pluto, Saturn & Mars. Moreover, Aries is on the cusp of Israel's 6th house -- governing its military -- this campaign in Gaza is about domination -- not Israelis being *victimized by so-called Hamas terrorists*!
Israel's racism against the Palestinians is on par w/ Nazi-Germany's racism against the Euro Jews! Same shit -- just different fascist ideologies called by another name (Zionism) for a fascist state.

Racism, Not Defence, At the Heart Of Israeli Politics - Joe Quinn, Signs of the Times
June 30, 2006

Last week, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert came out and publicly stated something that every unbiased observer of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has privately known for many years: that, to the Israeli oligarchs, the life of an Israeli citizen is "more important" than that of a Palestinian.

Speaking of the recent mass murders by the Israeli army of Palestinian civilians in Gaza (which were ostensibly to stop the firing of impotent qassam rockets at the Israeli town of Sderot by the Palestinian resistance ) Olmert said: "I am deeply sorry for the residents of Gaza, but the lives, security and well-being of the residents of Sderot is even more important."
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m24304&hd=0&size=1&l=e

So there it is, WV. Israel is the cause of all the horror in the world. And now we know. The Jews control the world, the media, the governments, the money. You said it all. But you're not the first, and I'm sure you won't be the last. It's an old story. The words are a little different, but I'd recognize you anywhere.

terry -- check out http://www. deathmasters.com! Give your self a real deep breath of Zionist foul air and the origins of terrorist attacks committed against the Palestinians by Zionists prior to the establishment of this rogue state - Israel! Have you ever heard of the "Transfer Agreement" btw the Palestinian Jewish - Zionists between 1933 and throughout WW2 with Hitler & Nazi Germany ? Zionist Nazi collaboration is a historical fact! http://www.transferagreement.com/
The Transfer Agreement is Edwin Black's compelling, award-winning story of a negotiated arrangement in 1933 between Zionist organizations and the Nazis to transfer some 50,000 Jews, and $100 million of their assets, to Jewish Palestine in exchange for stopping the worldwide Jewish-led boycott threatening to topple the Hitler regime in its first year.

PS the author is a Jew!

Israeli math
From an article by R.J. Rummel (there are footnotes in the original):

“In some occupied areas in which the Nazis had to contend with well organized and active guerrilla units, they applied a simple rule: they would massacre one hundred nearby civilians for every German soldier killed; fifty for every one wounded. Often this was a minimum that might be doubled or tripled. They thus killed vast numbers of innocent peasants and townsfolk, possibly as many as 8,000 in Kraguyevats, 1,755 in Kraljevo, and overall 80,000 in Jajinci, to name just in a few places in Yugoslavia alone. Most executions were small in number, but day by day they added up. From an official German war diary: 16 December 1942, "In Belgrade, 8 arrests, 60 Mihailovich [the guerrilla Chetnik leader] supporters shot;" 27 December, "In Belgrade, 11 arrests, 250 Mihailovich supporters shot as retaliation." A German placard from Belgrade announced that the Nazis shot fifty hostages in retaliation for the dynamiting of a bridge. On 25 May 1943 the Nazis shot 150 hostages in Kraljevo; in October they shot 150 hostages in Belgrade; fifty hostages in Belgrade in August 1943; 150 Serbs at Cacak in October; and so on. In Greece, as another example, the Nazis may have burned and destroyed as many as 1,600 villages each with populations of 500 to 1,000 people, no doubt massacring many of the inhabitants beforehand. Overall, the Nazis thus slaughtered hundreds of thousands in Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Greece, and France; and millions overall in Poland and the Soviet Union.”

We should also remember the massacre of the Czech town of Lidice. This kind of massive over-retaliation isn’t politically possible any longer, but the Israelis have found that a similar result can be obtained by removing access to electricity, creating terror through sonic booms and bombs, and kidnapping a large portion of a democratically-elected government. The critical point is that they continue to use the same racist mathematics as the Nazis: since a Palestinian is only worth a tiny percentage of a Jew, the taking of one Jewish prisoner of war rates the terrorizing of a million Gazans. The deafening silence of the world to this kind of calculation means that the world apparently approves of the higher Nazi/Jewish math.

From an article by Virginia Tilley:

“Israel has done many things argued to be war crimes: mass house demolitions, closing whole cities for weeks, indefinite ‘preventative’ detentions, massive land confiscation, the razing of thousands of square miles of Palestinian olive groves and agriculture, systematic physical and mental torture of prisoners, extrajudicial killings, aerial bombardment of civilian areas, collective punishment of every description in defiance of the Geneva Conventions – not to mention the general humiliation and ruin of the indigenous people under its military control. But destroying the only power source for a trapped and defenseless civilian population is an unprecedented step toward barbarity. It reeks, ironically, of the Warsaw Ghetto. As we flutter our hands about tectonic political change, we must take pause: in the eyes of history, what is happening in Gaza may come to eclipse them all.”

The barbarity is even worse as Israel, not having relinquished de facto control of Gaza and its borders, has an obligation under international law as an occupying country to protect the civilian population of Gaza.

I haven’t been able to find much under-the-bombs commentary from inside Gaza itself, but the blog From Gaza, with Love is very good.

Until we can look at problems in countries, governments, religions, business objectively we will remain at each other's throats, finding offence where none is meant. WV your plea was eloquent and I feel accurate because of the sentiments expressed by my Jewish friends. Terry, my friend and neighbor felt just like you, until her Rabbi started holding classes on the difference between Zionist the political party and the Jewish tradition. I watched her go through a very painful years as she studied, traveled to Israel, spoke with her Uncle in the Israeli government and slowly began to realize what the truth was for Israel over the last 40/50 years. It's the same painful journey that millions of us all around the world are making as we begin to realize our governments and politicians don't make their decisions with the people in mind most not even God in mind, they base their decisions on their "best" interests or what they perceive them to be, so does the Catholic Church, so does Muslim, so do the multi-nationals, so do countries or any movement.

Israel is not the cause of all the problems in the world, but they have mightly contributed, as have the US, and most every country in the world, I don't care what country or race, we all have had a part to play, and refusing to acknowledge or recognize that only means we will be trapped in the same routine.

There is a passage in the Old Testament where God says "you don't want the truth, you want lies and pretty words and you will be smashed like a plate. You will whine and cry and I will have to say 'but you could have had the truth.'

We need the truth now, the truth about our governments, politicians, business', religions, our environment, all of it, we need the truth it won't destroy us.

Unless we are armed with history and knowledge of countries, religions, governments etc. we will continue to be used by these same entities and we will continue to give our power away to them.

I am sorry, I won't be around to answer this, one of my daughters is very ill and needing emergency surgery so I am going to be at the hospital this afternoon and evening. I will try to check back later tonight

Synchronicity all over the
place today. On Bill Moyers' new PBS show the talk was of faith vs.
reason. On 20/20 it was red vs. blue US voters, and again and again
in article after article, program after program all this divisive
dichotomy.

I envisioned Saturn/Neptune as first:

an authoritatively defined constrictive structure built to enclose
the infinite;

then:

a well built inner structure from which the infinite can freely
spread, while still holding atunement to the essential center. It's
not about either/or, duality, dichotomy, even though the pendulum
keeps swinging. The pendulum, the dualities (which change over time
and place), the authoritative definitions, are all but bits of
information upon which are built the formations which transform to
include ever more information. The center is not about faith or
reason or authority or politics. It is about the interconnections
as they build upon each other to form a cohesive whole of experience
bit by bit as layer upon layer of infinite ether condenses into
usable form.

So, yeah, Neptunian concepts difficult to enclose in words.

libramoon wrote: "It is about the interconnections as they build upon each other to form a cohesive whole of experience bit by bit as layer upon layer of infinite ether condenses into usable form."
Very well put -- libramoon.
In celestial shamanism I call it the "web of life" -- Neptune -- what cannot be said can only be directly experienced in an experimental moment.

Joe, you got it right! Thanks for reminder but offenders, as usual, wont get it. This is a political blog with an astro gloss (or vice versa). It is not a place for unsubstantiated (and what sounds like bigoted) opinion. There are other sites for that. you want to talk about israel and palestine - - do the charts and interpret them.

Weekend Edition
June 3 / 4, 2006

"We Have No One to Talk To"
Israel's Targeted Assassination Policy
By ROSEMARY RADFORD RUETHER

On May 24, 2006, Israeli Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert, appeared before the U.S. Congress to decry the lack of any "genuine Palestinian partner for peace," with whom Israel could talk. Although declaring "our deepest desire to build a better future for our region, hand in hand with a Palestinian partner," Olmert warned that Israel cannot "wait forever," If such a partner fails to appear, Israel will move forward to set the borders of Israel vis á vis the Palestinians unilaterally. Olmert received the warmest ovations from the Congress and was promised support from the White House for the plan to unilaterally set Israel's borders, should no Palestinian leaders who satisfy Israel's conditions as "partners for peace" appear.

Olmert's stance should be put in the context of Israel's long standing policy of targeted assassination of Palestinian leaders.

http://www.counterpunch.org/ruether06032006.html

June 5, 2006

Population Transfers, Land Theft and Bankrupt Ghettos
Palestine: It's All Over
By ALEXANDER COCKBURN

The first item I ever wrote about Palestinians was around 1973, when I was just starting a press column for a New York weekly called the Village Voice. It concerned a story in the New York Times about a "retaliatory" raid by the Israeli air force, after a couple of Al Fatah guerillas had fired on an IDF unit. I'm not sure whether there any fatalities. The planes flew north and dumped high explosive on a refugee camp in Lebanon, killing a dozen or so men, women and children.

I wrote a little commentary, noting the usual lack of moral disquiet in the Times' story about this lethal retaliation inflicted on innocent refugees. Dan Wolf, the Voice's editor, called me in and suggested I might want to reconsider. I think, that first time, the item got dropped. But Dan's unwonted act of censorship riled me and I started writing a fair amount about the lot of the Palestinians.

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn06052006.html

Life on the Other Side of Palestine
Crime in the Valley

By NICK DEARDEN

Beyond the barren Judean Mountain range, east from Jerusalem, lies the Jordan Valley, an area which receives almost no media coverage, despite being home to 52,000 Palestinians and accounting for 30% of West Bank territory.

I am taken there by Stop the Wall campaign, in a battered mini bus with Egyptian music blaring out of the radio and the blazing heat burning our skin through the window. As we drop down from the mountains vast plantations of palm trees, citrus fruits and grape vines stretch as far as the eye can see. Every plantation is also surrounded by electrical fencing, barbed wire and "Danger" signs, because these oases of intensive production have been created on stolen land, grown by over-exploitation of water, farmed and owned by illegal settlers.

http://www.counterpunch.org/dearden06302006.html

AND Philomena... the US, too, is ALSO the new "Germany"... ramming itself into another's country to kill, rape, torture & loot. At least the German govt has had the humility to feel acute shame for its past behaviors. The USian psychopathic malebot govt otoh struts, preens, primps-pimps & postures in full costume & all accruments thinking what a wonderful special boy it is when, in reality, it's as looking/smelling at a half-rotten animated corpse. They're only the latest ego-possessed boyz who're self-seduced into proclaiming: "I AM MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE!! Lookie Me! Lookie Me! I am GOD!! I-I-I-I am Lord Over All!!!"

Let's see THAT! in our charts!!

Joanna -- I hear ya -- the US suffers from the worst hubris! Too much Jupiter -- Neptune syndrome. We get away w/ mass criminal projection unto to the "other". The evangelical mind set -- we are pure/good -- you are evil/bad mantra.

Btw, we all tend to "not talk about" how nazi germany fried, sexuo-tortured, raped, looted other peoples besides the jews... mainly the gays. I think THEY should demand a special ever-expanding country for their very own at the expense of the immanent inhabitants. Or the gypsies, or a class of xians such as the Unitarians, or Russians, or... there are many, so many...

Jo -- when mass murderers go on a rampage -- anyone who stands in their way are subject to *special treatment*. Of course, Nazi Germany has the worst documentated reputation for mass slaughter -- but that is only because it was the first well documented state sanctioned *institutionalized* murder --for the sake of science and state survival. What about Stalin -- Pol Pot -- the US -- Alexander the Great -- Atilla the Hun? And on and on....how about the Catholic Church in the burning times? Let's not lay all of the blame on Nazi Germany -- only because they were stupid and documented their atrocities....

* Knives, rifles & a whip. Are [bushaholic]'s gift-givers trying to say something? - 2004 presents inventory leaves [rez] prep'd for worst-case scenario

A braided leather whip, a sniper rifle, six jars of fertiliser & a copy of the Worst-Case Scenario Survival Handbook were among the presents foreign leaders have given gwbush. They are clearly trying to tell him something.

The inventory of official gifts from 2004, pub'd this week by the state dept, reads like the wish list of the sort of paranoid survivalist who holes up in his log cabin to await Armageddon, having long ago severed all ties with the rest of the world. ... http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1799812,00.html

This link's for you, wv:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/07/02/wguan02.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/07/02/ixnews.html

Oooops! Sorry, wv. Here's the link I meant for you:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/008902.php

Shylurker, thanks for missposting that link....that was way COOL about the Military justice winning out on the supremes ruling that bush overstepped in guano bay....very cool.
"As an officer, I have the deepest respect for the President," he told The Sunday Telegraph after the hearing. "But as an officer, it is also my duty to point out when an order is wrong. What protects our democracy is that we do not just follow orders blindly.

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