I'm a-rocking and how! Woooo-hee, Morgana!

I can only imagine what he would say if he were with us today:
http://marketplace.espeakers.com/movie.php?sid=5290&aid=10558

Written from the pen of, and in the style of, an oracle.

"The Spring Equinox North Node will draw in the knowledge, the quickening, the awakening of the people. They are getting a heavy dose of reality as the blinders are stripped off and we have seen the naked emporer, embracing the sot, and proping up the crazy eccentric old uncle."

And maybe the press will "follow the money?" Nah, too many ties UNLESS Bush makes an even more incredible, public self outing. Maybe, just maybe that's what will happen during this very gusty eclipse?

karen

YEEEEE HAAAAAAA!! I woke to snow this Spring morning but you, Morgana, have written of robins and daffodils...and HOPE!!! THANK YOU for seeing the astrological Light on the horizon (for I do not see the sun today). May I please have your permission to forward your article to everyone I know so they can have their question answered (why are the Amercians not protesting...as Boston Legal character, Alan Shore so equiquently asked week before last)....the time was not right (ripe). But it IS now! YEEEEE HAAAAA!!

It's the hope we need Morgana.

Here's a little of the exposure coming out. There's an old poster over on Salon, who I will miss as I drop my subscription with them, named P Glass. These are from him as have some others I've brought to AW. He's worked as hard as the most ardent of the heroic people who have passed on the information day after day, maybe harder. I am forever grateful to P Glass.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,677322,00.html

A new imperialism cooked up over a Texan barbecue

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-usiraq24mar24,0,4786811.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Bush's Requests for Iraqi Base Funding Make Some Wary of Extended Stay

http://www.antiwar.com/lobe/?articleid=8754

Are US Intentions More 'Base' Than Honorable?

Coincidental post with the same theme on StarIQ
http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0006992.HTM
karen

Ride the wild surf? It sure feels like that Morgana doesn't it? There is something very empowering about your words. Maybe because it's spring, maybe because we need to turn and face the chaos of our fears, but this is a liberating article.

Ah, springtime and surf--perfect Morgana, thank you!!!

And now, from Tom Flocco, the man who first reported the W et al indictments, here's more on 41's involvement with the JFK assassination...

http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/FbiMemoPhotoLinkBushJfk.htm

Interesting Garry, really interesting. Thanks.

I make a prediction that the Dixie Chicks have one hellova tsunami hit in their new song, "Not Ready to Make Nice"... http://www.dixiechicks.com/ a gigantic blow-back on them ruthless greasy southern-fried freakin' freepers who tried to destroy them. WhaddaHOOT!! (mutual reception between neptune in aquarius & uranus in pisces) Could be extended as a rousting "war-cry" of The People to the corpos. Easy call you say?!? That is correct!

YOU GO, MORGANA!! ;O)

Yes Joanna, I agree!

Well, now that the elephant--er T. Rex-- in the room has been acknowledged, shall we go to Plan B? Oh, that's right: there is no Plan B. Will this PNAC-created, blood-drenched nightmare never end?
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/disp/story.mpl/business/energy/3744694.html

http://edition.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/showbiz.tonight/

Do you agree with Charlie Sheen that the U.S. government covered up the real events of the 9/11 attacks?

Yes 82% 10440 votes

No 18% 2322 votes

Total: 12762 votes

DO VOTE!

Not sure how many of you followed the link on Bush Sr. in Dallas on that fateful day, but boy howdy isn't that just interesting?

Pat C. talk about blinders being ripped off !

Those Bushies just can't seem to tell the truth if it would save their life. That's Bull Hockey that Daddy Bush couldn't recall where he was on November 22, 1963 the day JFK was murdered. EVERYONE over the age of 45 knows where they were!!

It's a strike at the hydra Morgana. I put it up on Salon and I hope those people who have been hearing about these characters and events will start to grasp the enormity of it all. Since Bush has actually been a CEO pResident and created a business model rather than policy for a nation we have all been hit where it hurts for the long term. They are in-sourcing and outsourcing like mad and the coffers are not only bare, but filled with IOUs to governments like China for criminy sakes...mango for nuclear to India.....ports to arab nations...and death to the unrich Americans should they get sick.

People know because it has finally directly hurt them. Thank the goddess.

BTW, it would be a good idea to copy Flocco's post to a disc. So much of this material that existed in the past is gone now.

Ganging Up On Feingold

Republican shamelessness betrays their fear of Feingold, while Democratic silence betrays their fear of taking a stand.

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/03/24/ganging_up_on_feingold.php

...........

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20060324.html

An Update on President Bush's NSA Program: The Historical Context, Specter's Recent Bill, and Feingold's Censure Motion
By JOHN W. DEAN

More on 41, via Arctic Beacon...my this a busy last day or Merc Rx, no?

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/24-Mar-2006.html

March 24, 2006 | An Intriguing Week

TALES OF INTRIGUE are coming in from the four corners of the Planet Waves coverage area. There is an atmosphere of sudden change & transformation in the air.

Layers are peeling off the Big Lie, not to mention small & medium lies; it's been quite a while since I've seen anything vaguely resembling this. Mercury retro (now stationing direct, in its phase of max emphasis or focus) in Pisces is proving to be a little too slick even for some masters of the game, & fresh air is competing with the fog machine. My astrological advice is to carry a little bag of sand in your pocket, & when in doubt, throw some on the floor.

Have I ever mentioned that I carry a flashlight all the time? I used to carry one only at night. And I had this little joke I made up to go with it. I wld say to people, "Hey, do you know why I carry a flashlight?" Nearly everyone says, um, no. Then I wld say, "Because it's dark at night." I liked this joke because it feels rather existential... like, it reveals a basic property of life on Earth that many people miss & don't prepare for. However, on a number of occasions, having a flashlight in my pocket (the newer LED matrix kind, efficient & also very bright, with a slightly purple hue) has come in handy during the day. You know, like if you suddenly descend into a basement where the lights don't work & then you can actually see where you're going, or if you're trying to read a cereal box in a parking garage.

A flashlight is one of my metaphors for Chiron. It allows light to be brot into dark areas, or clarity into foggy ones. Chiron is a factor in the current planetary equation because it aspects the eclipse precisely & is making many aspects to planets... giving us a good clear look into Aquarius, which has been missing for a while; & it provides us with concrete documentation of what we need to know, usually, right when we need to know it. Chiron is a factor with impeccable timing. He must have been a drummer, too.

When you're thinking of Chiron, remember: there are always documents. This is a Virgo factor much of the time, & Virgo keeps neat files & thrives on the details. In essence, with so much Pisces in the air, attending to the finer points is the only way to go. And in the modern world, just about everything winds up on tape or in digital format, or both.

For example, did everyone read the transcript of Helen Thos going after gbush earlier this week? It's super short, it's officially documented, & it's fun, in a twisted way because it involves Iraq & nothing that involves Iraq is fun, but here we can see what happens when the big cheese starts to really slip his clutch. Helen Thos has been covering the WH since about the time of Roosevelt. She is the senior WH correspondent & probably the last real one on the job. You cannot fool her. And at age 80-something, she really doesn't care what anybody thinks, esp a little backwater twerp in a suit. http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/032206A.shtml

Note the pressure he seems to be under. Note how he is losing his ability to Be Cool, such as he had it. What you see in this transcript is what cool covers up.

I've tried a few times to explain the combination of an approaching solar eclipse combined with a Mercury sta (in Pisces) & the two rulers of Pisces in a long, seemingly endless square aspect. Today is Mar 24, a Fri. Wed, Mar 29 is the eclipse--& no ordinary eclipse at that. This is a total solar on the Aries Pt, & we are approaching it very quickly. The fact that it occurs 8 deg from the Aries Pt doesn't matter--that's not so far, & it's in an exact sextile to Chiron. There has been nothing like this eclipse since June 21, 2001.

The week leading into a big solar eclipse can feel like gas getting compressed in a cylinder. The piston presses... & presses... & then Bang, the power is released. But the Pisces factor is putting that pressure on the truth itself. Pisces is the sign of fog, fantasy & dreams, but it's also the sign of what you might call ultimate truths, or the ones that matter.

One must respect the energy of Pisces like children who grow up on the coast, & mariners, are taught to respect the ocean. A beach may be nice & cozy, with ice cream & pretty people, but the ocean is larger than you, there are tides & undertows, & suddenly you can wind up in very deep water w/o realizing how you got there.

And a lot of people who go out in small crafts wind up in trouble with storms blowing in. Alternately, if you use Mercury, your seacraft, & you have awareness, & you look at the weather & see how many of those triangular red flags are flying, & you bring your chart, & you don't underestimate the sea, you can move around pretty smoothly. But the ocean is still the ocean. To her, you're very small, & hey, you wld make good fish food.

So when a lot is happening in Pisces, it's best to pay attn, watch the tide, & hey with Mercury stationing, one cannot communicate too well or too clearly; one needs to make sure one is understood, that one speaks in clear terms, & understanding what others are saying, & that agreements are clear, & mutually understood. Because they matter a lot now. http://planetwaves.net/

And now this is a dictatorship

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x743264

Here she is, Cecilia Fire Thunder.

http://indianz.com/News/2006/013136.asp

I once saw a poster of Golda Meir. It was a huge color picture of her face and head. The caption at the bottom said, "But can she type?". I thought of that again when I saw this picture. Heh. This is one smart woman.

Geebus!

Beaut of a story over at dailykos.com, which fits right in with this Merc direct revealing stuff. It's about a "Smoking Gun." The author is georgia10 and it was posted at 11:19:31.

* Police: minister's wife confessed to killing him

The Jackson Sun SELMER — Mary Winkler has confessed to killing her husband, police said at a press conference today, tho no motive has been revealed. ... http://www.jacksonsun.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060324/NEWS01/60324003

Bet you dollars to donuts that this is another tiresome pornopuritan, closet gay homophobe mysogynist, who was sodomizing/raping "his wife" &/or 3 daughters. The patriarchally whipped & locked-up Mama Bear deep inside her had finally had enuf. Betcha.

My sentiments exactly JoannaOregon.

Shy, here's the permalink. http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/3/24/131931/878

If you scroll down to the bottom of that peice, you'll see the word permalink highlighted. Click on it and it takes you to a page with that artile as a stand alone.

Thanks, Pat C.

This just posted (1:49 pm Eastern) by Joshua Micha Marshall over at talkingpointsmemo. His expressing such outrage openly is very interesting. He leads off as follows:

"Our permanent constitutional crisis under the lawless presidency of George W. Bush. "

Hey Shy, soon as I read your 7:44pm post the song "Pipeline" started playing in my head... power waves a rollin'.

My thoughts exactly Joanna O. ALl thoise :"good neighbors" telling about the "perfect family! bunkum!
They are about to broadcast her "tel all" confession on CNN.
What A FANTASTIC THREAD!
I'm keeping my mouth shut & fingers crossed.....my venus is 10 aries!
PQ

My Mars is 11 Aries, Pat QOP, so perhaps that's why we have such synchronized "Arrrrrgh"s.

I don't know how many of you are following this story about the Muslim convert to Christianity in Afghanistan, and is in danger of being killed for it. I've pasted a portion of the article, and the full article link...but I think it's telling the Bush could lose his base, golly gee.

~ snip ~

If Rahman is executed, political experts agree, Bush will have alienated his most loyal core constituency Christian conservatives.

"The Bush administration simply cannot let this happen. They have to stop this one way or the other. It would make a mockery of much of what President Bush has about our creation of a new democracy in Afghanistan," said Professor Larry Sabato of the University of Virginia, a keen analyst of American political trends.

"It splits his base, and it will be endless trouble for him if it goes forward, and I'm sure he won't it happen," Sabato said.

The largest Protestant denomination in America, the usually conservative Southern Baptists, also mobilized on the issue:

"The American people are not sending their young men and women to Afghanistan for this definition of freedom," said Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission. "Compulsion in the name of any religion is shameful and should be rejected by any sincere professor of any religion. Mr. Rahman should be released immediately.

~ snip ~

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1764538&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

Then again they'd burn witches here if they still could.

Yep, Morgana. And stone women to death for being raped. (A tradition, I understand, among in Pakistan, Afghanistan, who knows where else.)

Near close to 17,000 votes on the CNN question about 9/11 being covered up with 82% saying YES it was.

Didn't Charlie Sheen make these statemens first with Alex Jones? And now he is going to appear on CNN at 7:00 p.m. Wow...going from "conspiracy" coverage to main stream coverage within just a few days. Amazing. Having no TV I won't be able to see Sheen but hope many prominant others will join him support.

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Former CIA Larry Johnson Told Ed Schultz on Wednesday's program that he has been "warned" to keep quiet about Plame issues eventhough he is not bound legally to keep quiet. He is only obliged to maintain confidentialiy about matter he was involved with during his tenure with the CIA. He also stated that there is a program in the works to shut-down politically involved web-sites six months prior to the election if they receive political contributions. Groups such as Move On.Org. Didn't. A good example of the Bushco Pitbull's trying to muzzle the truth. He said he would continue as is.

Two very apt quotes:
"Helen Thomas is an institution" by Thom Hartman
"Helen Thomas is THE NEWS" by Randi Rhodes

Karen, I can certainly relate to the "reconnecting" post you listed on the last thread and am going to go read more right now.

I wonder if the article (listed by shylurker on the last thread) about the Hong Kong security firm taking over radiation detection for America in the Bahamas will blow up into a scandal similar to Dubai Ports World. I don't think it would be as huge absent ports but is certainly questionable regarding Bush propaganda that "he is the one that will protect us." A no-bid contract to a foreign country? Mighty suspicious.

And still more secrets from under the rock!

I agree with Seymour Hersh's prediction that George W. Bush, after he leaves office, should be snatched by foreign law enforcement officers and whisked away to stand trial for war crimes. But it should not stop with Dubya -- his father and brother Jeb should also be hauled off to stand trial before an international court of justice -- for aiding and abetting terrorism. Let's not forget Poppy Bush's involvement in the terrorism
bombing off the coast of Barbados and the September
21, 1976 car bombing on Massachusetts Avenue in
Washington, DC that killed former Chilean Foreign Minister Orlando Letelier and his American colleague Ronni Moffitt. Manuel Contreras, the Chilean intelligence head who planned the bombing, was being paid by George H. W. Bush as a CIA asset at the time of the car bombing.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

Sorry for the mistyping above.this new keyboard is very user unfriendly!!! If you put your wrists together you hit the center plate that scrolls the page up, so you have to hold your wrists at a right angle.....very awkward!!!!!!
PQ

Oh forgot!
Since Hugo Chavez gave us heating oil here in Maine..........Bush felt compelled to compete. He gave the state LIHEAP a lot of money!
PQ

Sheen is not going over well with the MSM. See Alex Jone's explanation at this site. Lots of other really good stuff/videos to see too.

"With 2/3rds of New Yorkers believing that the government was behind or involved with (a New Zogby poll) the 9/11 attacks, the Washington Post has just insulted more than half of it's readership inferring that they along with Sheen are conspiracy nut cases" - paraphrase from Alex Jones.
http://www.veredictum.com
it is the second story down and click on "explain"
I really want to see this story/truth spread all over.

Ah Shylurker,
That explainhs why you are so generously supportivbe of some of my posts. Guess we will be AAARRRGGGing a lot in the next week.

Ooop. I better have a pep talk with my daughter .my Grandson Lafe, also has his mars there as well as his sun. Conjunct his Gramme's heart!!!!
PQ!

Here's to the day, Pat QOP, when we can turn those Arrrrrrghs into Ahhhhhhhs.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HC24Ag02.html

Reheating the Cold War

Three assaults on the Kremlin within the month must be extraordinary even by Cold War standards. They prompted Anatol Lieven, a prominent American scholar on Russia, to pose a rhetorical question: "Why are we trying to reheat the Cold War?"

It all began with a 94-page report released by the influential think-tank the Council on Foreign Relations on March 5 titled "Russia's Wrong Direction: What the United States Can and Should Do". It concluded that Russia's foreign and domestic policies had taken directions that hurt US global interests; that a US-Russian partnership was no longer feasible; and that the US should lead a coordinated Western policy of "selective cooperation" with Russia, a variant of the policy of detente during the Cold War years.

Then appeared, hardly a week later, the annual human-rights report issued by the US State Department, which roundly criticized the Russian leadership of President Vladimir Putin for authoritarianism by "virtually stripping parliament of power ... continuing media restrictions and self-censorship ... continuing corruption and selectivity in enforcement of law, political pressure on the judiciary, and harassment of some non-governmental organizations", all of which has resulted in an "erosion of the accountability of government leaders to the people".

This was followed within a week on March 16 by the White House blueprint called the National Security Strategy, which in a distinct hardening of tone toward Moscow not only called on Russia to respect freedom at home, but specifically warned that the Kremlin's "efforts to prevent democratic development at home and abroad will hamper the development of Russia's relations with the US, Europe and its neighbors".

The same day, while on a visit to Australia, US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice expressed concern over the "centralization of power in the Kremlin" and spoke about the danger that "by its very existence, a presidency that is strong without countervailing institutions can be subverted, can subvert democracy".

Rice, speaking to a town-hall audience in Sydney, saw "a very difficult and shaky path" right now for Russian democracy, and expressed the hope that the Russian people "will find their voice to demand accountable, transparent institutions and to demand the ability to organize themselves to petition their government and, if necessary, to change their government".

More....

Gee Pat C, Condi should know, she's had a ringside seat guest of the Puppet Master.

And here we thought little bushie had look into his eyes and seen his soul, Morgana.

Hmmm...let's see...Russia...new cold war...
Iraq....Quagmire
Felonies for illegal aliens...About time...
Mexican students protesting carrying Mexico flags..
Iran...Israel...Pakistan...UAE...
FBI...CIA...Al Qaida
B*...Cheney...Rove...Rumsfeld
Katrina...Rita...Wilma....Increase in crime
GHWB....Kennedy assasination

Yeah, it's all about security....

Can we just fast forward about 15 years and erase this part of the tape?

Well, you guys....I am sitting here with my left iindex finger pooling blood from the bread knife, while in the exact same spot on the right index finger, the cut from last friday is healing....last night I was trying to work on these projects which are so totally Mercury retrograded that I can't think straight, my big orange triangle fell off the desk for the umpteenth time and landed straight down on my right toe....which bled all over...I then went into the living room and whacked my left big toe on the coffee table. I came home today to the cat having trhrown up on the floor, and reached for the papertowl holder in my studio, and it came off the table and punched a hole in my silk screen....

Oh...yeh, my Mars in 8 Aries, with transits from Mars over my Sun Saturn at 16 Gemini....a kind of double whammy.

and my daughter might have to have surgery in a week....not going to describe this part....but we laughed...she's got a pain in the butt brought on by her boss, who IS a pain in the butt.

Morgana....my first roomate at Art Center in LA was a girl named Susie Daniels....she was Jan's girlfriend....before the accident on Sunset ....

I just LOVE the ballseyness of our Ogala Souix sister....

And I haven't read the articles yet, but not surprised at the Dallas reveal. There are ALL these dots to connect....I still say rad David Ickies website with the download of the unofficial bio of ghwbush 41....

Oh, and yesterday, both my printers each printed two pages of my project and promptly quit...a communications error it said, and refused to start. I had to delete and add both of them to my computer again to get the job printed....communications error? you think?

And WHO is Charlie Sheen, or is he Martin's actor son? .....?????

Oh Judi. Please, do stay in an extra state of awareness during such times. (((Judi)))

Charlie Sheen is Martin Sheen's son.

.............

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-albright24mar24,0,5251258.story?coll=la-home-commentary

Good versus evil isn't a strategy
Bush's worldview fails to see that in the Middle East, power politics is the key.

By Madeleine Albright

Does anyone find it odd that

Negroponte is put in charge of Iraq

and "killing squads" suddenly appear ?

Negroponte and killing squads? not odd....bidness as usual.

Pat...thanks! I was very aware as I watched myself slice into my finger....couldn't seem to stop, although time seemed to be suspended there for a moment.

So Charlie Sheen is finally following in dad's footsteps? except for the hookers, that is...

go charlie!

Exactly what I thot, Pallas & judi.

Oh, but just think of the demands of his job:

"On many a workday lunchtime, the nominal boss of U.S. intelligence, John D. Negroponte, can be found at a private club in downtown Washington, getting a massage, taking a swim, and having lunch, followed by a good cigar and a perusal of the daily papers in the club’s library.

"He spends three hours there [every] Monday through Friday," gripes a senior counterterrorism official, noting that the former ambassador has a security detail sitting outside all that time in chase cars. Others say they’ve seen the Director of National Intelligence at the University Club, a 100-year-old mansion-like redoubt of dark oak panels and high ceilings a few blocks from the White House, only “several” times a week."

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/007036.php

High Tide, Neep Tide, the end of the ingress.
Now begins the egress,
we hope.
And when the sea rolls back she always leaves a lot of stinking matter on the shore. Makes good fertilzer for a garden if we are smart.
~~
Amazing posts here!

Morgana and Sally thank you for this and the last few articles. Inspiring work.

I especially appreciate your Luna's Dark Face, Morgana. It echoed in me as the Kalevala does and was joined by strong memories of mesmerizing Salish drumming dance circles.

My jupiter is 8 Aries, we shall see. Mostly i am seeking quiet communion. Two nights ago i sat in the starry dark, lit a candle and sent blessings out to Cecilia Fire Thunder and all of good heart who are taking up the mantle of power. May it be used well...as i was contemplating this a male bobcat of maybe 2 years pressed his nose against my patio window. Nose to nose with my girls (20 and 18 year old cats) they held a quiet conversation. A family of bobcats lived with me -or i with them- for several years then a fire came along the ridge and they disappeared, this is the first time one has visited since. I take this return as a grand blessing. Their totem message is about boundaries, allowing our curiosity and passion for living to conquer our boundaries of fear.

Seems appropriate to the time.

warm thoughts flowing outward
tseka

* Red Cross Sifting Internal Charges Over Katrina Aid - ...the largest recipient of donations after Hurricane Katrina, is investigating wide ranging accusations of impropriety among volunteers after the disaster. ... http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/24/national/nationalspecial/24cross.html?ex=1300856400&en=87c07516f60e47d9&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

HAH! About time this stuff came out. I figured the Red Cross was a rt-wring money cash cow way back when L Dole started running it, & suddenly, too, there was a HUGE salary increase given to her position. Just another example of HUGE monies going in & nothin' comin' out... at least in the way of "their mission." Rotten, pornopuritan, greedbots!

Cassini beams back dazzling photo album

'Ave that, Ansel Adams

By Chris Williams

Published Friday 24th March 2006 15:12 GMT

NASA's probe Saturn Cassini has sent back spectacular views from the Solar System's second largest planet.

The above image shows the tiny cratered moon Janus passing in front of Saturn's famous rings. It's dwarfed by whopper of a moon Titan behind, with a thin cresent lit by the Sun. Titan is bigger than inner planet Mercury.

This snap was taken on Tuesday with Cassini's narrow-angle camera.

Cassini recently found evidence of water on another of Saturn's moons.®

http://www.theregister.com/2006/03/24/cassini_janus_pics/

What will they outsource next?
http://www.borowitzreport.com/

(Happy weekend, all!)

John Harwood(CNBS Chief Correspondent to Washington) remarked tonight on Washinton Week in Review: “You know the president has lost political clout when the djs on country music stations start playing the Dixie Chicks again.”
_______________________

Remember the “visualization vigil” we did before the pres. election in 04? I have finally, I think, come to the end of my vigil, and have written about it on the winking frog at:

http://www.geocities.com/abakan1/winkingfrog.html

See the “visualization vigil” entry.

I also finally took the time to write about my health issues. If you want to get caught up on that, look to the winking frog URL and the “adrenal function” posting.
_______________________

Happy Mercury-going-direct day tomorrow to everybody. I celebrate my 61st on Sunday. Yay! I made it THIS FAR! “-)

Best wishes to you all. Thanks for keeping the light burning.

OG

Old Granny, 61? That's not old, in my book. Embraces to you.

..........

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036713/

Friday March 24, 2006

Imus speaks to MSNBC's Chris Matthews about the decision to go to war in Iraq.

text:
Imus: "I forgot who said this, it could have been Tom Friedman or, and I always thought that after September 11th, the administration wanted, maybe they always wanted to go to war with Iraq or whatever, but they wanted to demonstrate to the Muslim community and the Muslim world that we were not going to take that and that we were going to strike back at somebody and they picked what they thought was going to be the easiest target, they thought as that moron at the CIA said that it was a slam dunk. They went in there and instead of being greeted as liberators as the Vice President told Tim Russert a week before this thing started, they got in there and the thing blew up on him and they have been there three years trying to get out."

MSNBC's Chris Matthews: "Well I am just going to stick to this point that the president led us in there with the background music of American culture. Everybody was led to believe that we were getting payback, we were avenging what happened on 9/11 and that we are going to get them. Vice President Cheney said we are going to attack terrorism at its base. Over and over the language was, this is where it came from, in fact most recently the President suggested that it was always the hot pursuit, like a new York police chase, we chased them back into their country. We pursued the terrorists back to Iraq and it's all nonsense. The reason there are terrorists in Iraq today like Zarqawi is we created the opening by blowing the country apart. From the beginning it's been not true. Now you can't prove motive and you can't prove somebody lies, but from the beginning everything about how they've got WMD's, they are a threat to us, they are going to bomb us with a nuclear weapon, this country is going to be an easy liberate, it's going to be a cake walk. As Cheney said as recently as ten months ago the insurgents are in their last throws. Everything that is said is not true. And right to the end here, here we are now and it's not a civil war and when Allawi the prime Minster is saying it is a civil war and here is the president quoting his own people that it's not a civil war. I mean the denial has been continuous. So you really can't count on the administration to tell you what is going on. That is just the fact. You've got to check it out. By the way, the president said this week that he wants the whole truth about what is going on in Iraq, the whole truth and that the media isn't telling the whole story. I'll tell you what we are not telling. We are not showing pictures of the twenty five hundred bodies coming back because they won't let us show the pictures. They don't want the whole truth out and that's the fact."

Old Granny,

I recall the visualization vigil...

Your journal of your experience is powerful... chills just reading it... can't wait for you to identify the two white men and talk about your take on that aspect...

thank you so much for sharing with us...

Pat C.,

I would say Chris M. is about three years too late... how 'bout you?

Jo...Chris M sounds like he woke up from a bender and realized he's been drunk on paoer and influence and turned into an a=frijole.

Not that he isn't summing it up for all the frijoles in neptuneland.

Hey old granny....you are back. Happy birthday...but I'm older than you are...so what's this old granny stuff?

Chris is way past late Jo and Judi, but the shift in the planets make his (probably temporary) enlightenment pretty darn interesting, and just one more sign of the shift.

I continue to hope.

Chris Matthews change his spots ? Not. Sorry he's gone and sold American's soul down the tube along with his Bush buddies. Repug swine. I doubt he knows real news the swill he spews is straight Rove mouth.

May every bloody politician be held to account for his or her vote for support George the Butcher Bush.

Great posts, everybody. Incredible!

Thank you, Morgana!

Chawing over the comparison of the USA solar return chart for this July 4th, 2006 and the Commander in Cheap's. The nation will NOT be happy, and the Commander is going to experience a Pluto on the Ascendent making a 135 degree aspect to Saturn in the eighth...which also squares the Moon and Jupiter in the 1oth. Whatever bouyancy a Moon/Jupiter conjunction can give a soul, the Commander's soul will not fare well with it. And the Moon/Jupiter conjunction is nicely semisquare the Pluto. And square Chiron....No, this guy will not be very happy.

That's fascinating, Beasley. But, please, do tell me what this means for us. I get really concerned reading about how unhappy you-know-who's going to be, because I'm always wondering how that translates into what you-know-who'll be doing to us (i.e., everybody else on the planet who's not part of his little circle) as a result.

24 March - Sometimes a Mercury retrograde will be relatively gentle, esp as it draws towards the end. This is not one of those times. Ok, so there’s only 36 hrs to go, but seeing as it’s conjunct Uranus seemingly permanently at the moment, there’s a real degree of manicness in the air. Add to this the upcoming total solar eclipse & that Mars is rapidly approaching opp to Pluto, & the factors are in place for a really volatile mix. In 2 wks time this last month will seem just like a bad dream, but for now all one can do is stay flexible & adaptable, & go with the flow. And tonight I’m giving the biggest talk of the year so far, in Kingston on Thames, which kind of makes me wonder at my sanity, or lack of. Mind you, the other side of the same coin says that instead of cowering in the corner & waiting for all those big nasty influences to go away, if one has the bxxxs, then it’s quite feasible to make something exceptional of these times. When the going gets tough, the tough get stuck in. - Steve Judd

In mundane life I am an computer jockey mainframes, this this this mercury retro has crashed my systems nationwide, it has been crisis dejour and it was in Pisces for Pete's sake, normally this stuff in an Air sign wreaks havoc, but Pisces has been a lulu for me. I'm supposed to be on reduced schedule since I'm recovering from pneumonia, 50 hours down to 40, hah, it's been a working nightmare. I'm cannot wait for Mercury to go direct.

btw AW'ers you guys are the best, just so ya know.

I am certain that there has been enough human blood spilled by order of Negroponte's wretched hand that, if it could coalesce, would do so to carry him rather soundly by ship to The Hague from even the farthest corner of the globe.

As for "Granddaddy" George Herbert Walker Bush, I suspect that the revelations above are hardly so for the many intuitive souls here already well aware of the rather unseemly direction of recent modern history.

Is it not quite odd, that the man who finally reigns high atop his own premeditated dynasty cannot provide an account of his whereabouts for its groundbreaking?

The undertaker's shovel for John Kennedy and the hope he endeared among the common people might bear a rather striking resemblance to the very shovel used to dig fear, despair and dischord into the core of the Bush Political Crime Family Foundation.

As I've talked on here about many times, George Bush the Former is cunning, conceited and calculating on a level so low that he keeps rather fine company with the most slithering of snakes, resilient of roaches and fattest of rats. And dare I say, much to the chagrin of better men and women, that he has also learned a bit or two much about those creatures' fertility.

And lastly, keep in mind that George Herbert Walker Bush matches Count Dracula for vanity -- they are both rather regal fictional characters, they both despise sunlight in their castles, and neither one is good enough for a mirror.

http://edition.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/showbiz.tonight/

Do you agree with Charlie Sheen that the U.S. government covered up the real events of the 9/11 attacks?

Yes 83% 27087 votes

No 17% 5675 votes

Total: 32762 votes

http://tinyurl.com/jgr5y

Blunder After Blunder in Moussaoui Trial
Al-Qaeda trial lands FBI in dock for criminal ineptitude

snip

“I felt like my heart had been ripped out,” Rosemary Dillard, whose husband, Eddie, 54, died in the Pentagon attack, said. “I felt like my Government let me down one more time.”
This week a wealth of new evidence of how the FBI bungled the Moussaoui investigation became so Pythonesque in its absurdity that even the victims’ families were roaring with laughter.
Into the witness box stepped Harry Samit, the FBI agent who arrested Moussaoui. He was called by the prosecution but became the star witness of the defence.
He said that he warned his supervisors more than 70 times that Moussaoui was an al-Qaeda operative who might be plotting to hijack an airplane and fly it into a building. He said that he was regularly thwarted by two superiors, David Frasca and Michael Maltbie, from obtaining a warrant to search Moussaoui’s flat. He accused the men of being criminally negligent.
Mr Maltbie told him that getting a warrant, which could be troublesome, might harm his — Maltbie’s — career prospects. Mr Maltbie has since been promoted.

On Tuesday Ed MacMahon, Moussaoui’s defence laywer, cross-examined Michael Rolince, of the FBI.
He was there to defend the bureau, but his answers brought down the house.
Mr Rolince was forced to concede that he had never seen an April 2001 intelligence briefing paper warning that bin Laden was preparing to mount an attack, even though he had signed it.
Mr MacMahon then introduced an April 13, 2001, FBI communication, approved by Mr Rolince, giving warning about bin Laden’s threat inside the US. Mr Rolince said that he had not approved it.
“Is it possible for a document to say you approved it if you have not approved it?” the judge asked.
“Absolutely,” he replied. With that, the jury, the press benches, the victims’ families and the press gallery erupted in laughter.

New 9-11 [Redacted] Due Soon
http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/powerplays/archives/002537.php

By Jarrett Murphy | March 24, 2006

excerpt;
Sometime next week FDNY will satisfy a court order by releasing the 911 calls logged on 9-11. They could shape a new story about what happened at Ground Zero. Or at least half a story: In accordance with the court ruling, FDNY will release only the operators' part of the conversations.

"The Court reasoned that the words of persons who called 911 on September 11, 2001 are private, and that only the person who called 911, or if the person is deceased, his or her family, can waive this privacy right and allow the caller's words to be made public," FDNY said in a departmental bulletin earlier this week.

The 911 calls are the last of three types of material that the state's top court ordered FDNY to turn over to the New York Times and several victims' families. Last year saw the release of oral histories taken from personnel who were at the scene that day as well as tapes of radio traffic at FDNY's dispatch center. The histories revealed important details about the orders firefighters were given as they ascended the towers, who did and didn't hear the call to evacuate, and what fire commanders thought about the risks of collapse. The dispatch tapes are an eerie timeline of the tragedy in progress—from "We just had a plane crash into upper floors of the World Trade Center," to "Attention all units, we're receiving reports that No. 1 and No. 2 World Trade Center collapsed."

More than morbid curiosity is behind the interest in these records. From the 9-11 Commission to a current study of WTC evacuees, investigators have tried to extract from the disaster lessons to save lives in future catastrophes. (For example, in a report card on the implementation of its recommendations in the study of the Twin Towers' collapse, the National Institute of Standards and Technology this week noted that high-rise safety experts are waiting for the results of NIST's pending WTC7 study for possible new information on "the effect of spaces containing unusually large fuel concentrations.")

March 24, 2006, 2:36PM

Houstonians evacuee-weary, poll says
While residents are proud of city's response, they feel a growing 'strain'

By ERIC BERGER
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

Amid growing concern about the city's homicide rate and overburdened social services, a new poll finds Houstonians increasingly weary and wary of the 150,000 Louisiana evacuees who landed here after fleeing Hurricane Katrina.

ADVERTISEMENT
Three-quarters of Harris County residents surveyed by Rice University sociologist Stephen Klineberg say the influx of Katrina evacuees, many of whom remain seven months after landfall, has put a "considerable strain" on the Houston community.

Additionally, two-thirds say evacuees bear responsibility for "a major increase in violent crime," and twice as many local residents believe Houston will be "worse off" rather than "better off" if most evacuees remain here permanently.

The preliminary results of Klineberg's annual survey, which is expected to be finalized later this month, suggest that a sizable fraction of area residents have tired of their guests from New Orleans.

http://chron.com/cs/CDA/printstory.mpl/metropolitan/3745006

I trust Cap'n Sally and the rest of you will forgive my language for the moment it'll take to share this one. I believe it was over at DU that someone wrote, regarding Chris "Tweety" Matthews' statements on Imus: "Who p*ssed in his Kool-Aid?"

March 24, 2006, 2:36PM

Houstonians evacuee-weary, poll says
While residents are proud of city's response, they feel a growing 'strain'

By ERIC BERGER
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

Amid growing concern about the city's homicide rate and overburdened social services, a new poll finds Houstonians increasingly weary and wary of the 150,000 Louisiana evacuees who landed here after fleeing Hurricane Katrina.

ADVERTISEMENT
Three-quarters of Harris County residents surveyed by Rice University sociologist Stephen Klineberg say the influx of Katrina evacuees, many of whom remain seven months after landfall, has put a "considerable strain" on the Houston community.

Additionally, two-thirds say evacuees bear responsibility for "a major increase in violent crime," and twice as many local residents believe Houston will be "worse off" rather than "better off" if most evacuees remain here permanently.

The preliminary results of Klineberg's annual survey, which is expected to be finalized later this month, suggest that a sizable fraction of area residents have tired of their guests from New Orleans.

http://chron.com/cs/CDA/printstory.mpl/metropolitan/3745006

A little slice of life in their world:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/9519839/how_to_be_a_lobbyist_without_trying?rnd=1143239024022&has-player=true&version=6.0.11.847

Fri Mar 24, 6:59 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Republican-led U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee announced on Friday it would hold a hearing next week on a call by a Democratic lawmaker to censure President George W. Bush for his domestic spy program.

In a one-sentence notice, the panel said the hearing would be held next Friday by the order of its chairman, Republican Sen. Arlen Specter (news, bio, voting record) of Pennsylvania, who has opposed censure.

Supreme Indifference
Retired Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor says America may be sliding toward a dictatorship. Why don't American newspapers consider that news?

BY JONATHAN RABAN

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=31218

One would wonder Shy, who exactly did get to Tweety. I expect it is the same people who got to Lou Dobbs a few months ago and is not stalking CNN. Step by step slowly they turn toward a conscious. Maybe they found out they were not going to be invited to divide up the spoils in America, maybe they found out this administration was laughing at them all along. But something has shifted.

I'm sure many of you have seen this, but Babs Bush, is an investor in the company Neil owns and where she wants her "donation" to go. Now let's see, she gives a sizeable donation and gets a tax write off, the money goes to her son's company protecting her investment and getting a dividend. The scams these people think up and the scams we let them get away with, and the scams our politicians (both parties) just turn a blind eye.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x750897

Hej Joanna O here lies new opportunities for your "malebots" ??

Men’s testicles may provide an “ethical” source of embryonic stem cells (ESCs), suggest new experiments in mice.

A team in Germany has successfully grown mouse ESC-like cells from spermatagonial stem cells which normally turn into sperm. The ESC-like cells can be grown into all tissues of the mouse body, suggesting that if the same could be done in men, it would provide patients with a source of tissue-matched cells for repairing any damaged organs or tissue.
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8892&feedId=online-news_rss20

Justice Department Allows Monitoring of Lawyers' Calls

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/032506Y.shtml

The National Security Agency could have legally monitored ordinarily confidential communications between doctors and patients or attorneys and their clients, the Justice Department said Friday of Bush's controversial warrantless surveillance program.

In my opinion it's not that the Bush family is getting sloppy in their modus operandi regarding underhanded and illegal dealings, it's that they are finally being exposed. Just imagine what we haven't seen them do through the years since Prescott Bush! I think and hope the Bush Crime Family may be coming to its karmic demise under the fortunate son's incompetent leadership.

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/03/barbara-bush-is-investor-in-company-to.html

Barbara Bush is an investor in the company to which she funneled a "charitable contribution"
by Joe in DC - 3/25/2006 10:16:00 AM

Wow. This is even sleazier than it first appeared. According to Talking Points Memo, the former first lady is actually one of the investors in the very company to which she gave a "charitable contribution." Josh asks the right questions:
So how is it exactly you get away with making a tax subsidized contribution that you stipulate must be used to purchase products from a company in which you are a partial owner?

Isn't that a scam of some sort?

The term 'grifter' comes to mind.

Justice Department Allows Monitoring of Lawyers' Calls

"The National Security Agency could have legally monitored ordinarily confidential communications between doctors and patients or attorneys and their clients, the Justice Department said Friday of Bush's controversial warrantless surveillance program."

that is absolute bullsh-t. These proclamations are being given out by the same gonzales who gave
advice that the Geneva Conventions were no longer applicable, leading to torture etc etc.

That's his opinion. NOT THE LAW. Since attorneys will be livid over this, it's likely to go to the Supreme Court over attorney-client privilege and
doctor-patient privilege.

By the way, have you been reading the papers they make you sign at the doctor's office which take away any privacy rights? I always cross out (and initial)the parts that are a gross violation of privacy.

Everybody see the news reports about former President Taylor (Liberia) being arrested and taken to the World Court from his exile in Nigeria for war crimes ?

Hasn't he been in exile for 3 years?

heh heh heh.

Interesting that they didn't arrest him until three years after his exile.

juior and gonzo and darth vader and their crew have already done their deeds.

they and their republican whitewashers may get away with it for now.....but not in the future.
It will be rather interesting to see what happens if a decent democratic congress and president get in and what happens when baker and pappy pass on.
They're the power houses with the connections. When they go - there will not be the string pulling that exists now.

BTW how is it that Kissinger, (like Pinochet), who has been indicted for war crimes in absentia is still walking around free as a bird?

He has taken the position of dictator.

And if that hearing by the bush enablers on the judiciary dont do something about it nezxt Friday when the hearing starts in Congress-held by two faced Specter, and if the people are not advised of it - and dont make a ruccus - he's free to be a full fledged dictator.

He did it again:

(why isn't this in the Washinton Post?)

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2...

WASHINGTON -- When President Bush signed the reauthorization of the USA Patriot Act this month, he included an addendum saying that he did not feel obliged to obey requirements that he inform Congress about how the FBI was using the act's expanded police powers.

-snip

Bush signed the bill with fanfare at a White House ceremony March 9, calling it ''a piece of legislation that's vital to win the war on terror and to protect the American people." But after the reporters and guests had left, the White House quietly issued a ''signing statement," an official document in which a president lays out his interpretation of a new law.

In the statement, Bush said that he did not consider himself bound to tell Congress how the Patriot Act powers were being used and that, despite the law's requirements, he could withhold the information if he decided that disclosure would ''impair foreign relations, national security, the deliberative process of the executive, or the performance of the executive's constitutional duties."

(snip)

If that isn't a dictator, who makes his own rules and laws, what is?

BEASLEY

(shouting to get your attention :) )

do you have a timeframe on this:
" a Pluto on the Ascendent making a 135 degree aspect to Saturn in the eighth."

Sudden sharp loss, 8th house involved, could be him, which forgive me, would be a blessing to this country,to the gd world in fact, or him causing massive deaths..and I hope it's not another Katrina which is possible too.

You said:

"Chawing over the comparison of the USA solar return chart for this July 4th, 2006 and the Commander in Cheap's. The nation will NOT be happy, and the Commander is going to experience a Pluto on the Ascendent making a 135 degree aspect to Saturn in the eighth...which also squares the Moon and Jupiter in the 1oth. Whatever bouyancy a Moon/Jupiter conjunction can give a soul, the Commander's soul will not fare well with it. And the Moon/Jupiter conjunction is nicely semisquare the Pluto. And square Chiron....No, this guy will not be very happy.

Posted by: Beasely on March 25, 2006 04:48 AM

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Delta_Force_founder_Bush_started_WWIII_0324.html

Delta Force founder: Bush may have started World War III

A founding member of the elite counter-terrorist unit, Delta Force, suggested that President Bush's invasion of Iraq may have started World War III, according to the Los Angeles Daily News, RAW STORY has learned. The article, acquired by RAW STORY Friday night, is expected in Sunday editions of the paper.

Retired Command Sergeant Major Eric Haney's book "Inside Delta Force" became the basis for the CBS drama "The Unit," where he now assumes technical adviser and executive producer duties.

Excerpts from the forthcoming article written by David Kronke:

#

Q: What's your assessment of the war in Iraq?

A: Utter debacle. But it had to be from the very first. The reasons were wrong. The reasons of this administration for taking this nation to war were not what they stated. (Army Gen.) Tommy Franks was brow-beaten and ... pursued warfare that he knew strategically was wrong in the long term. That's why he retired immediately afterward. His own staff could tell him what was going to happen afterward.

We have fomented civil war in Iraq. We have probably fomented internecine war in the Muslim world between the Shias and the Sunnis, and I think Bush may well have started the third world war, all for their own personal policies.

More...

...............

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?emx=x&pid=71996

Che Rides Again (On a Mountain Bike)

Has Latin America ever had such a unifying figure?

At political rallies, his visage is held aloft as a beacon to regional independence and self-determination. He's helped forge new trade partnerships to spur economic growth and alleviate poverty. And his leadership has fanned a gale-force electoral trend that's sweeping the hemisphere to topple one pro-Washington government after the next.

Who is this grand inductor of Latin American leftism? Venezuelan fireball Hugo Chavez? Blue-collar Brazilian Lula Ignacio da Silva? Bolivia's coca-farmer-cum-president, Evo Morales?

¡Epa! It's George W. Bush, the accidental revolutionary.

In the past five years, the swaggering Texan has inspired a leftward surge that is uniting Latin America and threatening to knock Che Guevara right off all those natty t-shirts.

When Che's ill-fated insurgency ended in the jungles of Bolivia with his death in 1967, his vision of a single, unified, socialist continent remained utterly unfulfilled. U.S.-backed right-wing military dictators would rule much of Latin America over the ensuing two decades, and many of Che's followers would be tortured and killed in efforts to overthrow them.

As democracy returned to the region at the end of the Cold War, most Latin American governments rushed to embrace the "Washington consensus" -- market-oriented liberalization policies that cut social spending and privatized national industries in order to pay down national debts. But the formula, pushed on the region by successive American presidents, largely failed to deliver the goods and left entire governments bankrupt and beholden to foreign lenders. For Latin America's angry, marginalized, impoverished masses, already-threadbare social safety nets only unraveled further.

More...

A Powerful New Voting Block Emerges (anti war)

http://www.zogby.com/Soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=12874

"This poll demonstrates that antiwar voters are significant enough in size to affect the outcome of elections – if they become organized. Just like pro-gun groups have organized, pro-choice and pro-life groups have organized – now the antiwar constituency has been identified and the peace movement is ready to organize them. This will ensure that the antiwar movement will no longer be one that can be ignored."

Isn't that old news about the invasion of Iraq starting WWIII? iirc, that's what most of us were saying would happen pre-invasion days...

how fast does light travel? apparently not fast enough for some to get the message...

even this old woman living in the woods knew what a terrible mistake it would be to invade... I bet you did too, didn't you?

WWIII?!?!?! I think that's bushCo's gigantic ego compensating for its microscopic... um, "manhood"... which, btw, it can just go stick in a pin-haid!!! jeeeezzzz what bloated inflation... (must be that tricycle tire pump from off which it keep falling & makes it roll around in the mud when it hasn't rained in weeks but does sustain massive contusions on its ugly lil beetle-browed face) ;O)

what a memory you have Joanna! You recall that trek on his bike, whereupon he fell and they blamed it on 'rain' and it had not rained in Crawford or anywhere that part of Texas for MONTHS... iirc, his physician was 'riding with him' --- he and Darth Vader Cheney can't go anywhere without a medical entourage... bet we're paying for that...

Hahahahaaaa!! Of COURSE, we're paying for that, Jo! It doesn't see itself as a parasitic welfare recipient natch... much, unfortunately, like my dad (RIP). While in grad school, I had to give a series of psych eval tests to whomever I cld grab to take it. Dad's was the FIRST in ages (according to my prof, who fortunately didn't know it was dad) to have an MMPI made null/void by reason of a severely elevated LIE SCALE. Dad was self-professed "bootstrap" boy... except that he had plenty of help by a relatively compassionate govt at the time awa as family. How them supremacist narcissistic superior boyz can compartmentalize! ;O)

http://www.stariq.com/MarketWeek.HTM

snip

In the meantime, we are in the center of another cluster of geocosmic signatures, March 25-29, culminating with a total solar eclipse on Wednesday, March 29. This one will likely be significant because it is in Aries, and occurs on the same day that Pluto turns retrograde. The Aries solar eclipse highlights Arian themes, which positively involves exciting new initiatives, while negatively correlating with aggression and possibly increased violence. With Pluto stationary, this could be a dangerous period, for Pluto oftentimes represents a threat to human lives, either via nature or man-induced violence. These activities may spread wildly as heliocentric Mercury enters Sagittarius, April 1-12. Each of these geocosmic events tends to propel investors into precious metals, which continued to rally strongly last week. Silver reached its highest levels in over 20 years, and Gold rebounded nicely too at the end of the week. But the economic and political news was not so good. New housing starts were down over 10%, the sharpest decline in about ten years in the USA. And Republicans are turning a little hysterical with their concerns that a victory for the Democrats in the upcoming November Congressional elections may indeed lead to impeachment proceedings against George W. Bush. I don’t know if they really believe this, or if it is yet another scare tactic to get out the party voters. With Saturn moving towards the opposition to Uranus in 2008-2010, the political belief that “fear sells,” won’t change. Both parties will play on it heavily, and the losers will be the voters who don’t get the opportunity to hear any real constructive plans for growth or resolutions to current problems.

Long-Term Thoughts:

I referred earlier to the approaching opposition of Saturn and Uranus, which will take place in a five-passage series in 2008-2010. I believe everything we see today is building up to a climax that will unfold then -- or within 18 months of the first and last passage. No other combination of planets in conjunction or opposition has as great a correlation to long-term highs or lows in the U.S. and British stock markets, as demonstrated in “The Ultimate Book on Stock Market Timing Volume 2: Geocosmic Correlations to Investment Cycles.” It is quite possible that world stock indices continue their bull markets into that time frame, even though I also believe there can be a 20+% correction between now and December 2006, as the 4-year cycle trough is due to unfold.

But just because I foresee a possible multi-year bear market in equities following the opposition of Saturn and Uranus, doesn’t mean that there will be a lack of outstanding long-term investment opportunities. To the contrary, I think there will be several. But they won’t be in the traditional areas. This 45-year signature represents revolutionary new directions, led by youth, resulting in several new trends that could re-shape culture. It happened in 1920 and 1965-66. The new trends last 10-25 years, and present many investment opportunities to those who are alert, and not deterred by forces that will unsuccessfully try to repress and destroy this new movement.

Well, it seems like a long way into the future. But it’s not, and that’s how I interpret these forthcoming signatures. Everything right now is moving towards a climax at the end of this decade, when-- for the first time since 1930-1931 -- Saturn, Uranus, and Pluto will enter a cardinal T-square. The world changed them, it changed in 1920, it changed in 1965-66, and it is due to for another major change -- along the same level of intensity -- at the end of this decade.

Pallas, if I remember correctly that dictator Taylor is a business partner of televangelist Pat Robertson. I do know that ol' Pat used tax-exempt, follower-financed "operation blessing" airplanes to fly diamonds out of Africa and I think it was from Taylor's country.

You're right, Barbara. I'll google it in a few minutes and post.

Here's a good one, Barbara and Pallas.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A7124-2001Sep21

There have been much darker rumors. I'll see if I can find them (or maybe Garry can--he's exceptional at finding the real dirt).

Here's one example of what I was alluding to. Do not click on this link if you're the slightest bit queasy. (I am and I did not pursue any of the others, though they're there to be googled.)
http://www.liberiapastandpresent.org/RitualKillingsCivilWar.htm

I ran across a link to the Glacier melt in Montana. In 1850 their were 150, today, 26, and looking at the pictures that number seems kinda questionable.

http://www.livescience.com/php/multimedia/imagegallery/igviewer.php?imgid=626&gid=42

Also notice our friends in Australia have another hurricane bearing down on them, bummer.

Do you agree with Charlie Sheen that the U.S. government covered up the real events of the 9/11 attacks?

Yes 84% 35436 votes

No 16% 6854 votes

Total: 42290 votes

bob

Morgana, what will it take to wake people up to the catastrophic future (and a pretty immediate one) we have created? People learn about these things and it seems to make them sad, but then they seem to just shrug their shoulders and sigh, gas up the car and go to the supermarket with their weekly shopping list. I dunno.

Who do McCain and Feingold think they are telling the Iraqis that US patience with them is "growing thin." Excuse me, but how did their country get into such a mess anyway? Can someone explain this to me? Am I missing something, misinterpreting something, or do I need some Kool-Aid?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12010122/

There you go: white bread and Kool-aid! They'll fix you right up.

Thanks, Shylurker.

And--meant to say it earlier--thanks Morgana.

Tonight saw Kevin Phillips (author of American Theocracy) being interviewed by Grover Norquist on CSpan2. I consider Norquist one of the Devil's minions, but he was a pretty good interviewer--asked open ended questions and waited for answers.

Phillips is a former conservative Democrat who became a Republican, who is now an independent. He dedicated American Theocracy, his 13th book, to Republicans who have opposed the Bush dynasty. He's an intelligent, interesting guy, but--seems not to have a clue about the deterioration of the environment. Also, he seems to think that "liberal" and "secular" are synonymous (also seems to think religious=monotheism).

How come the wonderfully spiritual people who work for the environment and other progressive causes are "not religious" and people like Pat Robertson who steal from the gullible and work with monsters are "religious?" Jesus wept.

Religion is a common weapon used by tyrants Barbara. It's like fake love to cover it's opposite. Miserable way to exist.

Right, Pat C. Reminds me of a great line in that wonderful book Little Big Man (by Tom Berger, I think.):

"The settlers are always ragging at the Indians telling them they need to go to church. What they don't understand is, an Indian is always in church."

Yes indeed! So are all of those who love and live in harmony with the earth. They dwell within the church and actually live by the golden rule to treat everything and everyone as they would want to be treated themselves. It requires focus and ease. Today's world makes that challenging.

"...the losers will be the voters who don’t get the opportunity to hear any real constructive plans for growth or resolutions to current problems."

Tha's correct. Govt/nation has been self-indulgin' in nothin' but narcissistic hissy-fits & faux drag-king dramas at least since nixon. The People are used to having their work... not only undone, but never even started. Jes big traps... yowlin' yowlin' yowlin'... full of sharp teeth... struttin' posturin' prancin' wigglin' sashayin' infants in grown men bodies.

Too true Joanna!

hanks Shylurker for the article on Robertson. I remember when he made those absurd accusations.

Something that bothers me is that on the cable channels, which are included when you automatically subscribe to cable are Robertson's broadcast and Falwell's. In florida there are no less than 14 of these fundamentalist loony broadcasts - I'm paying for without being asked do I want them included by Adelphia.

I've been thinking for awhile of writing and complaining. Why do I have to be assaulted with 14 of these nutcases' broadcasts. If people want that type of religion, let them pay extra for it to be sent to their homes...but dont make the rest of us suffer.

Aybody else have the same situation?

Dear Shylurker and Pallas,

The Solar return charts start to weave their threads into a theme around 3 months before the birthday. So by May we will be able to get an idea of what is coming.

As to how Shrub will behave...well, just more of the same I suspect. Only this time his natal fifth house is at the ascendent of the chart and his natal first is in the eighth! I hesitate to predict the ultimate, but whatever is coming down the pike will be clearly visable to all and it will be by his own choices...the tragic flaw (s) will be revealed, the stuff he gambles on won't work. This eclipse at the end of this month will square his natal and progressed Neptune. Lies will become more evident. Action more muddied. The Solar Return Saturn squares his natal Part of Fortune in Scorpio, so whatever power he thinks he had will not materialize the way he wants it to.

Our nation seems to be coming up to a big depression of sorts...fear...Saturn is on the Asc. for this year's Solar Return. The chart has Leo rising. Saturn squares Moon/Jupiter in the fourth. Leo to Scorpio. Scorpio is this nation's 12th house. Karma coming home to roost? I don't know. The Sun is in the 12th this year...as if we were preparing for a new start somewhere...Mars in the first opposing Neptune in the 7th! Don't know how clear a path we can delineate with that aspect. Pluto sextiles Ceres creating a yod to the Nation's Vertex - in the 12th this year.

Yes, it could be the ultimate...but I hope not. Pluto/Ceres aspects often speak of a death...Lincoln had them conjunct in his first house.
Anyway, just musing for now. When I get more cogent, I promise I'll tell...and even then, I may be wrong.

Thanks Beasley.

I dont work with the asteroids a lot, I really hardly know them but doesn't Ceres have to do with wheat and food? Famines with Pluto sextile ?

Saturn in Leo on the Ascendant for the country by the way, among other things, indicates a lack of leadership.

But at this particular time, I also think it may have a more severe meaning.

That's all we need; Bush as a martyr for twisted fundamentalist "christianity" and bloviating, evangelical political hacks. And people think Kennedy was overhyped. We'd never hear the end of the tributes and beatifying.

Let's hope it doesn't come to that. I'd much rather see Bush's wretched presidency end in sudden disgrace and shame with the man himself perp walked from the White House -- in handcuffs -- by federal agents on charges of Fraud and War Crimes. Double that for Cheney.

12th House also means secret enemies................
7th house open enemies.

It seems to me there are a lot of people out there quietly, secretively, researching proof of past crimes gone unpunished!
Couldn't mars oppose neptune 1st-7th, mean the aggressive exposure of incriminating stuff? 8th house is also "other people's money. Could negative aspects mean reveal of where the other people's money
( OURS) has gone?
Barbara, Love your quote! So true! A concept that has formed my religious outlook from childhood, although in a more amorphous kind of understanding.
"The settlers are always ragging at the Indians telling them they need to go to church. What they don't understand is, an Indian is always in church."

How does Poppy's chart compare to what is going on astrologically: and "big MOMMAS, chart Have we ever posted hers? What happens to them will affect "baby bear" greatly!
PQ

Just a little reminder...........
Is Bush flipping out?

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/blog/2006/03/is_bush_flipping_out.html

PQ

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/blog/2006/03/bush_faces_his_own_war_at_home.html
all the articles on this rant are interesting to read.
PQ

And somehow, between Capital HillBlue & Astroworld, I have Military.com a recruiting page on my monitor!
PQ

WE LIVE IN A SICK SOCIETY!!!!
That Military .com listed under "FUN STUFF" Shock & Awe videos.
I couldn't tell if it was the official US military because the page was truncated with no way to scroll it & make it bigger.?
PQ

Monday, March 06, 2006

And the Oscar Goes to...

 Now I’ve seen the nominees- we see them every year- and I’ve come to a conclusion- Iraqis need an award show. While the Hollywood glitterati make good entertainers, our local super stars, Hakeem, Jaffari, Talabani, Allawi et al. make GREAT entertainers. This last year we’ve seen several dramas unfold and our political leaders have been riveting!

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

a wonderful piece of writing!
The redwing blACKBIRDS HAVE ARRIVED IN MY BACK YARD!
PQ

Impeachment or Resignation: Pick Your Poison

By Ralph Nader

Attention please, good people! Adjust your routines and come to the aid of your country, and your children with your thoughtful patriotism. Don't just hope for impeachment, demand the resignation now of the mad hatters in the White House--George W. Bush and Richard Cheney.

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article12493.htm

Interesting comments about Nader's column above.

http://www.haloscan.com/comments/tf2777/article12493_htm/#13850

Avian Flu~
Two articles of importance.
How Bird Flu Infects Humans and Why We Don't Spread It
By Bjorn Carey
http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/060322_bird_flu.html

Discusses two studies. Both indicate an imminent pandemic is unlikely.
~~~
Are high risk farming practices spreading avian flu?

http://www.birdlife.org/news/news/2006/01/flu_agriculture.html
Does the westward spread of HPAI H5N1 from the origins of the current outbreak in China implicate wild birds? "No species migrates from Qinghai, China, west to Eastern Europe," says Dr Richard Thomas, BirdLife International's Communications Manager. "When plotted, the pattern of outbreaks follows major road and rail routes, not flyways. And the absence of outbreaks in Africa, South and South-East Asia and Australasia this autumn is hard to explain, if wild birds are the primary carriers."

Pat PQ thanks for reminding me of the riverbend blog. She is a jewel! I loved her recent entry wherein ~We were laughing at a silly joke and suddenly she turned and asked coyly, “Are you Sanafir or Shanakil?” I stood there, puzzled. ‘Sanafir’ is the Arabic word for “Smurfs” and ‘Shanakil” is the Arabic word for “Snorks”. I didn’t understand why she was asking me if I was a Smurf or a Snork. Apparently, it was an indirect way to ask whether I was Sunni (Sanafir) or Shia (Shanakil).

“What???” I asked, half smiling. She laughed and asked me whether I prayed with my hands to my sides or folded against my stomach. I shrugged, not very interested and a little bit ashamed to admit that I still didn’t really know how to pray properly, at the tender age of 10.

Later that evening, I sat at my aunt’s house and remember to ask my mother whether we were Smurfs or Snorks. She gave me the same blank look I had given Amal. “Mama- do we pray like THIS or like THIS?!” I got up and did both prayer positions. My mother’s eyes cleared and she shook her head and rolled her eyes at my aunt, “Why are you asking? Who wants to know?” I explained how Amal, our Shanakil neighbor, had asked me earlier that day. “Well tell Amal we’re not Shanakil and we’re not Sanafir- we’re Muslims- there’s no difference.”

There is no difference the mothers's KNOW, now if we can just extend that to ALL!
The Salish grandmothers KNEW, when i was little even though i am blonde and blue-eyed, they said, "ALL of our children ARE all of our children" -there is no difference.

The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie

by Dr. David Ray Griffin
Sunday, May 22, 2005

In discussing my second 9/11 book, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions, I have often said, only half in jest, that a better title might have been "a 571-page lie." (Actually, I was saying "a 567-page lie," because I was forgetting to count the four pages of the Preface.) In making this statement, one of my points has been that the entire Report is constructed in support of one big lie: that the official story about 9/11 is true.

Another point, however, is that in the process of telling this overall lie, The 9/11 Commission Report tells many lies about particular issues. This point is implied by my critique's subtitle, "Omissions and Distortions." It might be thought, to be sure, that of the two types of problems signaled by those two terms, only those designated "distortions" can be considered lies.

It is better, however, to understand the two terms as referring to two types of lies: implicit and explicit. We have an explicit lie when the Report claims that the core of each of the Twin Towers consisted of a hollow steel shaft or when it claims that Vice President Cheney did not give the shoot-down order until after 10:10 that morning. But we have an implicit lie when the Commission, in its discussion of the 19 alleged suicide hijackers, omits the fact that at least six of them have credibly been reported to be still alive, or when it fails to mention the fact that Building 7 of the World Trade Center collapsed. Such omissions are implicit lies partly because they show that the Commission did not honor its stated intention "to provide the fullest possible account of the events surrounding 9/11." They are also lies insofar as the Commission could avoid telling an explicit lie about the issue in question only by not mentioning it, which, I believe, was the case in at least most instances.

The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie

by Dr. David Ray Griffin
Sunday, May 22, 2005

In discussing my second 9/11 book, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions, I have often said, only half in jest, that a better title might have been "a 571-page lie." (Actually, I was saying "a 567-page lie," because I was forgetting to count the four pages of the Preface.) In making this statement, one of my points has been that the entire Report is constructed in support of one big lie: that the official story about 9/11 is true.

Another point, however, is that in the process of telling this overall lie, The 9/11 Commission Report tells many lies about particular issues. This point is implied by my critique's subtitle, "Omissions and Distortions." It might be thought, to be sure, that of the two types of problems signaled by those two terms, only those designated "distortions" can be considered lies.

It is better, however, to understand the two terms as referring to two types of lies: implicit and explicit. We have an explicit lie when the Report claims that the core of each of the Twin Towers consisted of a hollow steel shaft or when it claims that Vice President Cheney did not give the shoot-down order until after 10:10 that morning. But we have an implicit lie when the Commission, in its discussion of the 19 alleged suicide hijackers, omits the fact that at least six of them have credibly been reported to be still alive, or when it fails to mention the fact that Building 7 of the World Trade Center collapsed. Such omissions are implicit lies partly because they show that the Commission did not honor its stated intention "to provide the fullest possible account of the events surrounding 9/11." They are also lies insofar as the Commission could avoid telling an explicit lie about the issue in question only by not mentioning it, which, I believe, was the case in at least most instances.

The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie

by Dr. David Ray Griffin
Sunday, May 22, 2005

In discussing my second 9/11 book, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions, I have often said, only half in jest, that a better title might have been "a 571-page lie." (Actually, I was saying "a 567-page lie," because I was forgetting to count the four pages of the Preface.) In making this statement, one of my points has been that the entire Report is constructed in support of one big lie: that the official story about 9/11 is true.

Another point, however, is that in the process of telling this overall lie, The 9/11 Commission Report tells many lies about particular issues. This point is implied by my critique's subtitle, "Omissions and Distortions." It might be thought, to be sure, that of the two types of problems signaled by those two terms, only those designated "distortions" can be considered lies.

It is better, however, to understand the two terms as referring to two types of lies: implicit and explicit. We have an explicit lie when the Report claims that the core of each of the Twin Towers consisted of a hollow steel shaft or when it claims that Vice President Cheney did not give the shoot-down order until after 10:10 that morning. But we have an implicit lie when the Commission, in its discussion of the 19 alleged suicide hijackers, omits the fact that at least six of them have credibly been reported to be still alive, or when it fails to mention the fact that Building 7 of the World Trade Center collapsed. Such omissions are implicit lies partly because they show that the Commission did not honor its stated intention "to provide the fullest possible account of the events surrounding 9/11." They are also lies insofar as the Commission could avoid telling an explicit lie about the issue in question only by not mentioning it, which, I believe, was the case in at least most instances.

The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie

by Dr. David Ray Griffin
Sunday, May 22, 2005

In discussing my second 9/11 book, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions, I have often said, only half in jest, that a better title might have been "a 571-page lie." (Actually, I was saying "a 567-page lie," because I was forgetting to count the four pages of the Preface.) In making this statement, one of my points has been that the entire Report is constructed in support of one big lie: that the official story about 9/11 is true.

Another point, however, is that in the process of telling this overall lie, The 9/11 Commission Report tells many lies about particular issues. This point is implied by my critique's subtitle, "Omissions and Distortions." It might be thought, to be sure, that of the two types of problems signaled by those two terms, only those designated "distortions" can be considered lies.

It is better, however, to understand the two terms as referring to two types of lies: implicit and explicit. We have an explicit lie when the Report claims that the core of each of the Twin Towers consisted of a hollow steel shaft or when it claims that Vice President Cheney did not give the shoot-down order until after 10:10 that morning. But we have an implicit lie when the Commission, in its discussion of the 19 alleged suicide hijackers, omits the fact that at least six of them have credibly been reported to be still alive, or when it fails to mention the fact that Building 7 of the World Trade Center collapsed. Such omissions are implicit lies partly because they show that the Commission did not honor its stated intention "to provide the fullest possible account of the events surrounding 9/11." They are also lies insofar as the Commission could avoid telling an explicit lie about the issue in question only by not mentioning it, which, I believe, was the case in at least most instances.

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050523112738404

Good posts. To me, the Nader thing will forever be a mystery. He is a Pisces and should be able to have sacrificed himself to the greater good. Why did he not concede after he had made his points? Another fanatic.

As far as Bush losing it, I feel it is completely to be expected. He has been in a pressure cooker for 2 years. The fact that he allows himself temper tantrums probably is what allows him to go on without cracking up. He is probably glued together everyday by his syncophants.

I really appreciated the Riverside blog, Pat QP, and wrote to the author to find out a little more about her/him and to express my empathy and support. Another seemingly senseless tragedy in a world of many. I thought the political "Oscar" nominations were brilliant, and appreciated the article that preceeded it as well, where the point is made that the worst result of the U.S. invasion is the divisions that now exist among Iraquis which set neighbor against neighbor, a situation that did not seem to exist before.

Pentagon stays the course with laser weapon
Airborne Laser given a reprieve — and challenging development schedule

Jim Shryne / USAF

The Boeing-led Airborne Laser team exposes the Airborne Laser's conformal window during a test flight. Such an exposure is necessary for the weapon system to complete its mission of shooting down a ballistic missile during the boost phase of flight.
View related photos

By Jeremy Singer

Updated: 7:32 p.m. ET March 22, 2006
The threat of cancellation no longer looms over the Pentagon's Airborne Laser effort, but senior program officials say they are taking nothing for granted as they prepare for a missile-intercept demonstration in 2008.

Several clear test milestones have been laid out for the Airborne Laser in 2006 so that senior Missile Defense Agency officials will be able to measure its progress, according to Air Force Col. John Daniels, the effort's program director.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11961673/

Wow, Time Magazine on Global Warming...somone unmuzzled the scientific community ?

Be worried, be very worried
The climate is crashing, and global warming is to blame

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/26/coverstory/index.html?section=cnn_topstories

It's all over the net today, the melting glaciers, rising seas.

I work for a human rights org. and have watched with total dismay over the last 5 years how irrational fears and public apathy have enabled an immoral leadership to take over the USA.

When I read about the march in L.A. this morning as well as all the anti-war and civil rights protests planned for April throughout the country, I felt that finally there was a ray of hope.

"Thousands of immigration advocates marched through downtown Los Angeles in one of the largest demonstrations for any cause in recent U.S. history.

More than 500,000 protesters -- demanding that Congress abandon attempts to make illegal immigration a felony and to build more walls along the border -- surprised police who estimated the crowd size using aerial photographs and other techniques, police Cmdr. Louis Gray Jr. said.

Wearing white T-shirts to symbolize peace, the demonstrators chanted ''Mexico!'' ''USA!'' and ''Si se puede,'' an old Mexican-American civil rights shout that means !!Yes, we can!!.

In Denver, more than 50,000 people protested downtown Saturday, according to police who had expected only a few thousand. Phoenix was similarly surprised Friday when an estimated 20,000 people gathered for one of the biggest demonstrations in city history, and more than 10,000 marched in Milwaukee on Thursday.

We construct your schools. We cook your food,'' rapper Jorge Ruiz said after performing at a Dallas rally that drew 1,500. ''We are the motor of this nation, but people don't see us. Blacks and whites, they had their revolution. They had their Martin Luther King. Now it is time for us.

Many protesters said lawmakers were unfairly targeting immigrants who provide a major labor pool for America's economy.

Enough is enough of the xenophobic movement,'' said Norman Martinez, 63, who immigrated from Honduras as a child and marched in Los Angeles. ''They are picking on the weakest link in society, which has built this country.''

Let freedom ring!!!!

If all the Latinos left America, there would be
no food on your tables. Something to remind your
Congressperson about when you talk to him/her.
Except for Native Americans we all came from some
place else, these idiots who are trying to stop
immigration are killing the "dream". Hell's bells
when did we become "superior". Jesus wept!

Well... & the "Latinos"--except for a long-ago fusion of spanish blood--are really the Indiginous peoples to whom this land belongs anyway. They are the "Indians." Take that!!! old pinkie supremacist!!!!

It says tremendous much for the gentle Gaia nature of the "Indian" that old pinkie hasn't been slaughtered in its stolen bed or poisoned in its ill-gotten supper over the centuries.

I have a hard time understanding which position to take on this immigration issue. I would think that being in favor of illegal immigration would be a pro biz, pro rebuplican stance. Isnt cheap, no benefits labor what the repubs are all about?! Wont repubs lose corporate support if US bans illegal immigrants?!

More Fiore....The Bush Bash

http://www.sfgate.com/comics/fiore/

If we snuck into another country we'd be locked up. Why should the US be any different?

Frankly, I'm fed up with the millions of mexicans entering our country illegally. Do it legally and thats fine, but we got to stop them from taking our increasinly limited jobs. And I don't want to hear how they do the jobs that we won't do. BS! Some maybe, but not all. Also, they need to learn english, not us having to learn spanish.

I have Hispanic relatives around the state and they feel the same way. They are lowering our wages here and driving our taxes up. And guess who benefits. You got it....Repugs.

It's a sticky situation, but the US cannot support the world. Pressure needs to be put on the corrupt Mexican government to fix their problems, not send them to us.

Another thing, about 75% of the illegals don't want to be here, they send most of their money back to mexico.

Re: the 9:18 post above, about illegal immigration here's what I see: the gov't. is looking the other way while the corporatofaschits import their human cargo by the UHaul truckloads.

I'm by no means against anyone trying to better themselves, and this country was founded by immigrants, but here's a few of the consequences of unchecked immigration:

1. Businesses can do as they will with illegals, because they just want to make money, and they're being exploited in the process. Hey, if they can't read or understand US labor law, why should the biz have to follow it? The net effect of this is that native-born American laborers are competing with illegals for increasingly lower paying jobs if any exist. In effect, the globalists are lowering our standard of living instead of raising that of the immigrants.

2. Unchecked immigration puts a strain on our already overburdened and underfunded infrastructure--for instance, immigrant students often get lesser educations because state gov'ts just can't afford to hire bilingual teachers or simply even translate courses(not to mention the problems faced by law enforcement and medical emergency personnel dealing with non-English speaking peoples).

As Palast mentioned about Iraq, W didn't bungle the job, he did exactly what the neoconvix wanted, creating a state of uncertainty/continuous war in that region(raising gas prices, keeping halliburton and GE afloat, etc.). And just as with Katrina wiping out New Orleans,this unchecked illegal immigration is just one more way the globalists are trying to succeed(by flooding the US with non-nationals to subvert nationalism/national identity/sovereignty).

I'm not in the least xenophobic and I'm all for immigration, but it's time for USA to shut our borders except in cases of emergency exile. American citizens should not have to fight for jobs on our native soil. And "compassionate conservatism" is reducing our economy to "Lord of the Flies" type measures.

That's just my opinion though and I hope no one is offended by it, that was not my intent.

Cybear, we're on the same page, apparently....

Garry....You go Bro...Amazing we posted at the same time. We're on the same wavelength.

And you touched on something I forgot to mention--wonder what precentage of the illegals' wages are being sent to Mexico and taken out of our economy? I'd like to see that statistic plastered all over the mainstream media....

The flow of illegal aliens entering the US unchecked pretty much started when ol Ronnie Raygun was the rez and Poppy was his right hand man.

What does that say?

Sounds to me like this too is just another part of the globalist agenda....

Wholesale sneaking across borders is anarchy for the country that is being snuck into. It's part of the in-sourcing/out-sourcing scheme intended to promote big business and lower wages and social protections. The middle class has been being clobbered for all the years since the incoming Reagan administration.

...........

The disappearing sardines

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/03/24/dagaa/

It's all part of their New World Order.

Cheap labor around the world, lowering of living standards, and the quest for complete control of the populations anround the world.

The arabs started flowing into the US when Raygun was in office as well.

Look where that got us.

http://isahaqi.chris-floyd.com/

this takes a little time to download, but it sure
is a powerful message, well worth the time and
effort.

That's what all the immigrants say after they become citizens... "Lock the gates" don't let anyone else in...

If all the illegal immigrants left the USA today there would be no food on your table...

The immigrants are not the problem... it is the employers who don't want to pay wages for work... it is the employers who are also breaking the law, but they are not fined...

Corporations are outsourcing now... to get cheaper labor in India... you think shutting the borders (if we could) would give more Americans jobs? Think again.

The Corpofascists are the enemy --- not immigrants.

Don't worry... pretty soon it will be evident that the USA is a banana republic and no one will want to come here, and many will be leaving.

"If all the illegal immigrants left the USA today there would be no food on your table..."

No wonder the american farmers are bankrupt. Corpo facist have taken over the farming industry as well, paying illegals a dollar an hour to pick the food.

"it is the employers who don't want to pay wages for work... it is the employers who are also breaking the law, but they are not fined..."

Gee, could it possibly be because there is so much cheap labor flooding the blue collar market.

You need to move down to Tx, L.A., Phoenix, or Miami then you can make assinine statements like that. I'm 44, unemployed and my family has been in this country for 300 years and longer. I am also of Cherokee descent. I also don't speak spanish and neither do my inlaws who happen to be hispanic and have been here forever.

And outsourcing to India is part of the NWO.

What worked in the past no longer works in the present. It must stop, just as we need a new government.

Unfortunately all-knowing high horses are rampant Cybear.

Thanks Pat! I'm fired up over this...

Off to watch a movie/dvd/Capote for now, but i'll be back latter!

From Flo:

March 20 to 26, 2006: Iran-USA, beginning of a major world crisis Or « The End of the Western World we have known since 1945 »
http://www.newropeans-magazine.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3463&Itemid=85

The Laboratoire européen d’Anticipation Politique Europe 2020 (LEAP/E2020) now estimates to over 80% the probability that the week of March 20-26, 2006 will be the beginning of the most significant political crisis the world has known since the Fall of the Iron Curtain in 1989, together with an economic and financial crisis of a scope comparable with that of 1929. This last week of March 2006 will be the turning-point of a number of critical developments, resulting in an acceleration of all the factors leading to a major crisis, disregard any American or Israeli military intervention against Iran. In case such an intervention is conducted, the probability of a major crisis to start rises up to 100%, according to LEAP/E2020.

An Alarm based on 2 verifiable events
The announcement of this crisis results from the analysis of decisions taken by the two key-actors of the main on-going international crisis, i.e. the United States and Iran: – on the one hand there is the Iranian decision of opening the first oil bourse priced in Euros on March 20th, 2006 in Teheran, available to all oil producers of the region ; – on the other hand, there is the decision of the American Federal Reserve to stop publishing M3 figures (the most reliable indicator on the amount of dollars circulating in the world) from March 23, 2006 onward[1].

These two decisions constitute altogether the indicators, the causes and the consequences of the historical transition in progress between the order created after World War II and the new international equilibrium in gestation since the collapse of the USSR. Their magnitude as much as their simultaneity will catalyse all the tensions, weaknesses and imbalances accumulated since more than a decade throughout the international system.

Now here's a concept!

http://www.abcnews.go.com/WNT/GlobalWarming/story?id=1770428&page=1
Was Confusion Over Global Warming a Con Job?

Some Claim Disinformation Campaign Attempted to Create the Impression Scientists Were Broadly Divided

Holy Karp.
This isn't just joe schmoe from down the block saying this. These are 50 academicians + saying it:

""We believe that senior government officials have covered up crucial facts about what really happened on 9/11," the group says in a statement released Friday announcing its formation. "We believe these events may have been orchestrated by the administration in order to manipulate the American people into supporting policies at home and abroad."
Headed by Jones and Jim Fetzer, University of Minnesota Duluth distinguished McKnight professor of philosophy, the group is made up of 50 academicians and others.
They include Robert M. Bowman, former director of the U.S. "Star Wars" space defense program, and Morgan Reynolds, former chief economist for the Department of Labor "

Was it Beverly , Barbara, or Shylurker - about the Mars/Neptune and the 1st and 7th?

With the apects, yes many things can be happening at once as mentioned by you,

BUT
there is no getting around the meaning of Saturn in Leo on the Ascendant and a sesquiquadrate (135 degree). Sudden sharp loss.

Neo, I personally dont care about "martyrdom" -
as long as certain elements are living he will never be taken out in chains and see a court. Impeachment of both is the only way . Nixon would have had criminal charges against him if he hadn't plea bargained - "I'll resign - no charges."

America could do that to this one IF there were enough honest and gutsy congress critters - but there aren't.

This coming Friday Spector and the judicial committee are holding the hearing on his breaking the law with domestic spying. PRESSURE every single republican and democrat on that judiciary committee - he's throwing the laws up in their face and refusing to follow them, by signing and then adding his own addendums negating the law he just signed and passed by Congress. He's making his own laws. That's called dictatorship - and short of a full fledged revolution in the streets by the people, the only way to stop him is by pressuring our representatives in Congress.

their bs motto is "the country can't stand another impeachment". We have to tell them, yes it can, because this country cant survive economically, socially, or constitutionally with another 3 years of this dictator wannabe.

Jo-
Agreed that the corporatofascists are the enemy--but the immigrants are pawns in their game.

And of course the NWO gang is playing on xenophobia and prejudice, because these days, it's small town America that's being flooded, not just traditional places like large farms in CA and TX and NYC.

Lots more folks than just Cybear and me are upset but the locked down media won't touch this issue, for precisely those reasons I just mentioned above.

think about this.

The police were shocked by the numbers of hispanics who showed up to demonstrate. They thought a few thousand, but 50,000 showed up.

Now think about the fact that the so called government estimates are that there are 11 million illegal hispanic immigrants here.

Extrapolate.

I know of entire towns that have been taken over by the illegals both up North and here.

No the hispanics did not build this country, which they are now taking credit for.

Legal immigrants did.

I'm also against the illegal immigration and the stupid worker program proposed by the republicans.

A stop has to be put to the holes in the dike where they are pouring in - although those who are here for let's say three years, who have jobs should/have to be allowed to stay and pay taxes like everyone else. And their employer has to pay ttheir half of the taxes.

Let the rest go demonstrate in Mexico the way they have demonstrated in the streets here, for free healthcare, schooling, housing, food. They'd be shot down in the streets.

BTW, how come there was no teargas and beating up of those demonstrators the way there are when there are demonstrtions against the WTO and the war?

Let the rest

Let's see - several of you are saying that the reason there is a cheap labor problem in this country is because of illegal immigrants. That's really interesting because - for over a century the cotton, tobacco, farming and fishing industries have been paying legal workers peanuts to pick their crops and work on their boats. Oh yes and let us also not forget the numerous legal nannies, eldercare providers, fast food workers, office cleaners and factory workers who to this day work long hours for only slightly above minimum wage.

As for outsourcing, it has been around for a long time. The only reason it has become such a source of outrage is because it is finally affecting white collar workers too. The auto, manufacturing, fashion and computer industries have been using cheap overseas labor to do their scut work for many years.

One last thing - regarding illegal immigrants sending most of their money back home to their families in Mexico rather than spending it all here, if you have ever worked for an international company with employees who still have families back in the third world countries they immigrated from, you would know that many of them do the same thing ....

Wasn't it Howard Dean who said the Repugs would use immigration for the 2006 election battles?

Sorry , I have to agree with Garry & Cybear on the immigrant issue.
Yes this nation WAS founded on immigrants! But it has also run on cheap oil for the last century, and both ideas are outmoded and need to have a second look!

I am miffed on several counts tonight. I stood out in my back yard this morning enjoying the wonderful trillings of the spring birds returned, looking at the stream. Then at only 10 am the Mexican Immigrants 6 acreas over cranked up their boom box, to a frentic BOom -boOM, sort of a Mexican Polka rythmn. NOT MY CHOICE! An invasion of my 1 acre of airspace. On the other side, the Native Maine couple with 2 children, in a trailor 25 feet from my house are so quiet I don't know they are there.
No TV no shouting! ( Thats very personal.........)
On a universal level, while I disagree vehemnently wIth the Sensenburner bill, A WALL? LIKE COMMUNIST RUSSIA? LIKE ISREAL?, I wish they were marching 500,000 strong, to end the war, urge impeachment, save the constitution! Not just so they can be with their families. I want to be with my family too. But the economic situation in this country has made that an impossibility! ( I can't even afford to march!)
At least state regulations have closed down the sea cucumber processing plant through the summer, so it is mercifully quiet for gardening then. My neighbors pack into their late model vans and drive to Mexico to visit the family.
Like Cybear, My family has been here for little more than 300 years, that doesn't make them non -contributers to this country! In fact they've been contributing for LONGER!

Sharon quoted from the Baghad Blogger..........
the point is made that the worst result of the U.S. invasion is the divisions that now exist among Iraquis which set neighbor against neighbor, a situation that did not seem to exist before.
It's what they do, what they're doing here, what they have done here. Howard Zinn.. Peoples' History of the
United States" They promoted racism, between the poor whites and the black slaves, so the 2 groups wouldn't gang up on them and take their plantations!
That said.................

I just googled my heritage and discovered that my home town, Bridgeton NJ, was the ONLY town in the country, with the amount of diversity that we had......refugees from 40 different countries and 2,000
Japanese, from the internment camps & some refuges.
They were recruited to work at Seabrook Farm, the biggest farm in the world at that time! ( during the war, German war prisoners did the work.)
The web site was big & sprawly so I didn't post a link, but just google Seabrook Farms,
I'm happy to report that after moving to California for some 30- 40 years, ( due to Repug state Govs in NJ with draconian water restrictions) it is back in operation, run by the sons & Grandsons! ( probably hiring Latino imigrants now!!!!)
Those of you who put the blame for this mess on the corpo fascists are also 100% correct,
Forgive my rant, I had to state my opinion.
PQ

It's a business model, bobbypins, rather than public policy, which is what the federal government is suppose to represent.

Yep, Dean predicted their using immigration as a Big Issue. Check out these links:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x761076

It's a business model, bobbypins, rather than public policy, which is what the federal government is suppose to represent.

Bobbypins-
No argument to what you said. The elites have always used slaves, regardless of color, name, or century. However, it's hitting closer to our homes now, and that's why we're getting upset--it's becoming more of a threat to our earning power--not to diminish the fact of my being appalled at any worker being exploited for cheap labor, whether it be by Adidas or Dell.

Indeed Pat C business, and also the fed gov's interest as illegal workers using someone elses social security card numbers contribute a significant amount of money (i believe it is 10%) to the coffers which are never touched by them it is now part of the known flow...this topic was touched on in a Daily Kos dairy as well as others such as ceasing to publish the M3 aggregate as you mentioned in Flo's post above.

The diary is long but well worth the read there are some very good posts to the diary.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/3/25/13059/9013
The 6 Major Problems of the Current US Economy [UPDATE]
by bonddad

It struck me that the current immigration issue shares similarity to other tactics of the Reagan - Bushes. I'm thinking "welfare Queens" and gang wars all incited to acheive an end that suits them... The Rush Limbaugh / Karl Rove style is to lay out the premise then twist opinion to suit their cause. Worked for 9/11 too. What do you figure they are trying to acheive here? Remember Haliburton is building detention centers for illegals.....what we are not supposed to care...it's not us?

Nice idealistic talk by some. And I don't agree with it.

Let me tell you, that the illegals who do the landscaping work all over Florida are not paid the minimum wage. They're paid $8 to $10.00 an hour. Now that wouldn't be much in New York, but Florida has never been known for great wages. A secretary in Florida is paid $10 an hour, so that's not bad for an illegal landscaper who speaks no english.

Speaking of speaking no english and exploitation, their refusal to learn english or speak it, unlike almost 100 % of the immigrants who came to this country at the beginning of the last century who did learn, leaves them wide open to exploitation . Some fellows picked up a couple of the illegals here, asked them to come do some work, they said, SI, drove them a long distance, had them do work, and then dumped them - didn't pay them, didn't bring them back.....and you know what? because they were illegal, who were they going to complain to? the police?

I think it's a good thing to learn other languages in school, but not to require spanish speaking teachers in America to teach American subjects in Spanish because the children refuse to learn English.

As many of the people who write into Dobbs, say,
"why do we have to work all our lives, work to buy a house, pay for healthcare,pay for food, pay tuitions we cant afford to send our children to college, pay taxes, when the illegals get it all for free?"

Isn't it funny, no other country in the world allows millions of illegals to come in AND stay. Not only stay, but make it comfortable for them to stay and pick up the tab.
You think China would let them in? or throw them in jail? or France? or England?or Canada? Name any other country that allows foreigners to own its property, to even have a bank account legally. Yes. Give me your huddled masses, but legally.

In the last 25 years the population of the US has risen by about 50 million. There are now 300 million people in the United States. (according to the census which we all know is about as correct as the vote count. Since Americans are having about 1.5 children, where are all those people coming from?

Hell, the resident doesn't obey the law, why should anybody else. those people waiting in line to come to this country and start a new life
LEGALLY, by the rules, are just a bunch of dummies. Anyway, the streets of America are no longer paved with gold. You'd think the illegals would find that out. There are no jobs where they're coming from, even with NAFTA? Well pretty soon there will be no jobs here either - because the illegals and outsourcing drive down the salaries. Executives who were earning #100,000 a year are now working temp jobs or any menial job they can get. They need those jobs.

While we've been ignorant of the big plan, from the moment Regan broke the unions, this government has allowed the illegals in for cheap labor for the past 25 years, until the illegals are here by the tens of millions. The purpose, is to bring down wages, to bring down the American middle class, and to accomplish one world government - the new order - which requires the people to be subservient. Apparently the middle class was not bending to corporate will and disappearing fast enough, so the outsourcing of jobs began in earnest.

I forget who said it, but one of the astrologers said " Pluto in Sagittarius - slavery"
serfdom. The last time Pluto was in Sagittarius was the era of black slavery.

Bobbypins - you complain that legal nannies,and fruit pickers and fish workers have been paid low wages historically? Maybe - but what do you think of their not having any wages at all because an illegal will work for less than the legal wage those "poorly" paid people have been working for.

Whatever happened to "Buy American" first?

Pallas, yes!

............

"It struck me that the current immigration issue shares similarity to other tactics of the Reagan - Bushes. I'm thinking "welfare Queens" and gang wars all incited to acheive an end that suits them... The Rush Limbaugh / Karl Rove style is to lay out the premise then twist opinion to suit their cause. Worked for 9/11 too. What do you figure they are trying to acheive here? Remember Haliburton is building detention centers for illegals.....what we are not supposed to care...it's not us?"

.............

I just wanted to see this again.

The country is being turned into a corporation to be completely stripped and rebuilt in their own corporate image. These people NEVER have enough money and power, and they don't care about you and me, or what we think. As Bill Maher said, (paraphrasing) "These are dying men selling the planet for cash.", and he went on to use the T word for a pResident who did not warn the people about a weapon of mass destruction such as global warming. They will use race, and rev up moral indignance to keep their business model going.

Shylurker, thanks for the Dean links above. And he was right! Dr Dean who wore his shabby suits and old belt buckle, drove a beater truck....a living example of a courageous man fighting "the man"

Newsweek is having a "Heaven's to Betsy" moment:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12001020/site/newsweek/

Day late and buck short. Bastids all!

Just saw "V for Vendetta," a not very subtle depiction of where we're headed if we're not careful which drew on many elements and filmatic techniques but made a very, very powerful statement. The Wachowski brothers wrote it, of Matrix fame. I have to check but they sound like they are Americans -- however, it was co-produced by the UK and Germany and filmed in Europe. Maybe they couldn't get the support they needed here or were afraid to make it here but at least it can be shown here!

They are truly trying to use all of us as their pawns, and the men and women who have spoken out continually are not being given the drumbeat of media attention and that has been done with intention. Dean's brilliance has been pilloried and drowned out, with intention.

Immigration needs to be done legally, not manipulated for the corporate hegemony. They don't have anyone's best interest at heart, and they never have.

shy, I wish I could remember the law, but not long ago, the Bushviks created a new reg that requires NOAA to filter their weather announcements through the White House before we hear about it.

Is this what you were referring to, Pat C?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/2/10/171218/386

Laws? They don't need no stinkin' laws.

Is this a United States Supreme Court Justice or Judge Roy Bean and vigilante justice?

Supreme Court: Detainees' Rights—Scalia Speaks His Mind
Steven Senne / AP
Scalia at the New England School of Law on March 15

Newsweek
April 3, 2006 issue -
The Supreme Court this week will hear arguments in a big case: whether to allow the Bush administration to try Guantánamo detainees in special military tribunals with limited rights for the accused. But Justice Antonin Scalia has already spoken his mind about some of the issues in the matter. During an unpublicized March 8 talk at the University of Freiburg in Switzerland, Scalia dismissed the idea that the detainees have rights under the U.S. Constitution or international conventions, adding he was "astounded" at the "hypocritical" reaction in Europe to Gitmo. "War is war, and it has never been the case that when you captured a combatant you have to give them a jury trial in your civil courts," he says on a tape of the talk reviewed by NEWSWEEK. "Give me a break." Challenged by one audience member about whether the Gitmo detainees don't have protections under the Geneva or human-rights conventions, Scalia shot back: "If he was captured by my army on a battlefield, that is where he belongs. I had a son on that battlefield and they were shooting at my son and I'm not about to give this man who was captured in a war a full jury trial. I mean it's crazy." Scalia was apparently referring to his son Matthew, who served with the U.S. Army in Iraq.

That's it shy! I use to call our press Prava, but it's worse. Imagine what they have been covering up for this administration, and the last three for that matter.

P Glass just posted this over on Salon.

The American Prospect. Posted March 22, 2006.

Is The New York Times still pro-choice? You wouldn't know it from reading the op-ed page.

... the officially pro-choice New York Times has hosted a conversation about abortion on its op-ed page that consisted almost entirely of the views of pro-life or abortion-ambivalent men, male scholars of the right, and men with strong, usually Catholic, religious affiliations.

In fact, a stunning 83 percent of the pieces appearing on the page that discussed abortion were written by men. ...

MORE

http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/33860/

I just can't keep up, and I'll bet that's no accident.

http://www.prospect.org/web/printfriendly-view.ww?id=11332

Consternation Over Immigration

Compared with what many immigrants face today, Ellis Island was a pretty benign system.

http://donkeyod.blogspot.com/2006/03/north-of-border-by-paul-krugman.html#links

North of the Border By PAUL KRUGMAN

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free," wrote Emma Lazarus, in a poem that still puts a lump in my throat. I'm proud of America's immigrant history, and grateful that the door was open when my grandparents fled Russia.

In other words, I'm instinctively, emotionally pro-immigration. But a review of serious, nonpartisan research reveals some uncomfortable facts about the economics of modern immigration, and immigration from Mexico in particular. If people like me are going to respond effectively to anti-immigrant demagogues, we have to acknowledge those facts.

First, the net benefits to the U.S. economy from immigration, aside from the large gains to the immigrants themselves, are small. Realistic estimates suggest that immigration since 1980 has raised the total income of native-born Americans by no more than a fraction of 1 percent.

Second, while immigration may have raised overall income slightly, many of the worst-off native-born Americans are hurt by immigration — especially immigration from Mexico. Because Mexican immigrants have much less education than the average U.S. worker, they increase the supply of less-skilled labor, driving down the wages of the worst-paid Americans. The most authoritative recent study of this effect, by George Borjas and Lawrence Katz of Harvard, estimates that U.S. high school dropouts would earn as much as 8 percent more if it weren't for Mexican immigration.

That's why it's intellectually dishonest to say, as President Bush does, that immigrants do "jobs that Americans will not do." The willingness of Americans to do a job depends on how much that job pays — and the reason some jobs pay too little to attract native-born Americans is competition from poorly paid immigrants.

More...

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OBIT_BYRDS_WIFE?SITE=NCASH&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Wife of Sen. Byrd dies after long illness

Erma Ora James Byrd, the wife of U.S. Sen. Robert Byrd, has died after battling an illness for five years. She was 88.

Erma Byrd, who met her husband of nearly 69 years when they were in grade school, died Saturday at the couple's home in McLean, Va., according to Byrd's spokesman, Tom Gavin. He would not say what the illness was.

The senator and members of their family were with her when she died.

"Erma and I are complete and whole, a total that is more than the sum of its parts," Byrd said of his wife on their 65th wedding anniversary in 2002. "In my life, Erma Ora Byrd is the diamond. She is a priceless treasure, a multifaceted woman of great insight and wisdom, of quiet humor and common sense."

The daughter of a coal miner, Erma Byrd met her future husband while both attended Mark Twain Grade School. They married when they were 19.

She met presidents and senators, kings, queens, and other celebrities, but she never sought the limelight and did not give her first interview until 1982 - 30 years after her husband was first elected to the Congress.

She told Charleston Daily Mail in that interview, "I leave the politics to Robert. The people elected him, not me."

"With the passing of Erma Byrd, West Virginia has lost a true lady. Sen. Byrd and Ermas love story was one for the ages - a true testament to the power of faith and commitment," Gov. Joe Manchin said in a statement.

Besides her husband, survivors include two daughters, five grandchildren and six great-grandchildren.

I believe the goverment will use the illegals for the military. Round them up and push them in, to fight the battles that americans will no longer fight. This would explain why they seem to be giving them an "invitation" that will of coure be recinded in due time. those wily bastards!

it seems there is agreement that illegal immigration is good for biz/corps and therefore good for republicans. So why is sensenbrenner, an inner circle repub, and a senator from wisconsin (a state hardly known as a haven for illegals) pushing to close down the borders and deport cheap labor?! is this a head fake? And please explain how a protest march of 500,000 illegals (not 50,000 as an earlier poster commented) was so quickly and effectively coordinated and organized. That is a huge protest effort and it reflects a sophisticated political awareness. And why werent they afraid of being rounded up and deported. What gave them the confidence and the courage to expose themselves that way. i just dont know anymore. We are living in such an Alice in Rovian Land. Up is down- - yes is no, etc.

Meanwhile, here's another interesting story from Cloak and Dagger.ca which claims to link Hillary & John Kerry to the JFK assassination....not posting this as being the truth, but leaving that for you to read and decide....

http://www.cloakanddagger.de/media/TOM%20HENEGHAN/cloakanddagger.de_IEAR_mar26.htm

I too am very torn about the immigration issue. In part, I think that people didn't mind so much about massive numbers of immigrants arriving when the economy was expanding on all levels and everyone felt that if displacement occurred, there would be some other opportunity available at their skill level. During the massive Irish immigrations and at the turn of the century, the idea that there was scarcity or limitation of resources on this plantet wasn't anything people thought about. So plenty of businesses opened with resource extraction in mind (coal, timber, railroad building, etc.) and also massive acreage belonging to single owners turning to monoculture in the midwest. The idea was also that people could move up the ladder from that old icon of the mailroom clerk to CEO or the Horatio Alger imperished worker who rises to a man of means.

Our understanding is no longer like that and we know it now--the planet is an integrated system that cannot be abused in the old type of jobs that employed many unskilled. Even fisheries/canneries are finding their resources dwindling--buh bye job for unskilled persons... The huge white collar hiring boom that we saw is no longer in place so that college grads in many fields have to settle for jobs that might have belonged in the past to the non-college educated. So, on down the chain--where does each displaced person go? The new great thing hasn't been discovered that sets up a major business creation boom and if it is a product--what do you bet that some way will be found for it to be made cheaper in China or India? Also, there is the real issue that now certain jobs are becoming connected to cheap/immigrant labor such that it looks odd for anyone who isn't of that category to bother to apply anymore. This depends on location, of course.

My biggest beef is that it is much too easy for immigrants from south of the border to maintain connection and allegiance with their home countries so that there is no need to assimilate. WHat I say may sound very unpopular but I don't want the US to become another Mexico or Hispanic country with all *their* baggage. I tend to think that the European experiences that formed the background of the writers of our Constitution is not echoed in the experiences of south of the border--Spanish colonization was a different experience. Although to the positive, they did encourage mixed marriages. I don't think there should be some idea of "payback"/return to Mexico what was theirs,--after all, the Indians who were here in the US are not those who are immigrating illegally now. Spain had colonial outposts and missions and those were loosely ruled from afar. Mexico only had possessions in the US for a short period after throwing off Spanish rule for maybe 20 years. (Certain groups like the Tejanas would have maintained their homes in Texas though if not for the Mex/Amer War.) So, I don't see it as a Mexican right to "reclaim".

Point is:too many people on this planet, there is scarcity that will be exacerbated by global warming, everything is working against there being jobs for all skill levels that allow people to better their position in life to match their capacities, Mexico is using the US as a pressure relief valve so it doesn't have to fix it's own problems, divided loyalties, dwindling tax dollars to pay for everyone and infrastructure too... We can't shout racist and hide our heads in the face of all these changes that have greatly changed the situation for everyone involved from what was acceptable in the past. It's just plain DIFFERENT.

Vote at MSNBC--should the US restrict immigration?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12013882/site/newsweek/#survey

Another troubling "coincidence":

http://www.alipac.us/article-1123-thread-1-0.html

Dang, I'm on a roll today--two MUST READ stories from Arctic Beacon:

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/26-Mar-2006.html

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/27-Mar-2006.html

Hatred and fear of Mexicans is a top GOP campaign tool for 2006. And the biggest constituency for illegal immigration - the low-wage business bloc - shovels money into GOP coffers.

Mexicans are the new Blacks... heard it all my life here in the South... those d#$% Black people take all the jobs 'cause they work cheap... send 'em back to Africa...

And the Rethugs are already shouting "Dems want illegal aliens to have your jobs!"

BS... that's not what some of us are saying... but others are so busy following the bouncing ball... the Rethugs will get back in office in November... and the Mexicans and all the other brown people on the planet are the Jews of the 30s...

but pay no attention to the manipulation going on...

Don't expect any reasonable debate before November. Or afterwards.

Last one...we know this site is sketchy, but still fun to read:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4315

Well Jo, it sounds like you are so misinformed.

Let me tell you something. My brother is married to an Hispanic women. My ex is Hispanic. I have hispanic neighbors and friends along with blacks, muslims, hindu, chinese and vietnamese. I am not a racist and do not appreciate being lumped in with the myopic white sheet wearers from wherever the hell you are from. This issue has nothing to do with race, so don't throw that card into the mix. It's about people who come here with no regard for our values and lifestyles. Most of the Mexicans that run, swim or are smuggled into this country could care a less about us. They do not pay taxes and are a strain on our system. This issue is about being legal.

So I guess you think that we should just open our borders for anyone who wants to come here regardless of how it effects the Americans.

I AM AN AMERICAN and I do not have a problem with any person regardless of race coming to our country for a better life as long as it is done LEGALLY. Not by running, hiding and avoiding the laws that we in this country and others around the world abide by.

You my dear are the one being manipulated. Take off your blinders and see the issue for what it is.

Well, there is a big rally in DC today for proponents of illegal immigration. Let's just see if they get the Cindy Sheehan treatment, or the freedom they had over the weekend.

Strange indeed.

The HUGE assumption is that if "the illegals" were not here, all the previous immigrants would have jobs. They wouldn't & they won't.

I know you're feeling scared, Cybear, about your own job situation, but doing the regular... blaming "Those People"... which is so same-old same-old same-old of scared folks... will solve nothing. It's an inside job for any of us & any crisis is an opportunity to move thru the inside job. Lousy Ugly Fear is the Guardian of the Threshold. I don't have a job either & I hold three degrees. ('Course, I'm also a curmudgeon ;O))

The supremacist USians have been "invaded" just like the supremacist USians have invaded many other countries--presently Iraq/Afghanistan--& so they throw a royal temper tanntrum... seek to dress tantrum up as a logical rational reasonable. Besides, "those illegals" invading USians are a whole heckovalot nicer than the illegal USians invaders... that much is obvious.

WhaddaHOOT!! this all is, folks. Couldn't make it up... could we?!? Hahahahahahahahaaaa!!!

Joanna, I am not blaming "those" people. I have watched the illegals turn towns, cities and once nice neighborhoods into slums. I have watched my taxes go up. I have friends who are teachers that are having problems with spanish speaking students. I have seen the gang violence from the children of the illegals. There are many issues. They are having a negative effect on all of us and we are seeing it first hand here in Houston and larger cities across the south, the west and soon to be across the country.

My background is extremely technical and I was not laid off because of illegals. But now, here in Houston and I'm sure in other areas most employers will not consider you for an interview if you are not bilingual. I have had 4 interviews in the past month and each asked this question first. "Do you speak spanish". Needless to say, I was not even considered for any of those positions.

Rove has got to love this, smarmily rubbing his palms together, something divisive, something each side can dig their teeth into, an emotional issue. Some group to be a scape goat.

This is not a NEW situation it is as old as California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.

We might as well all get over it we are indeed headed toward a one world government and I suspect the borders will be seamless.

But in the meantime Rove will use this distraction, a big one at that, to act elsewhere and we be more screwed.

Lots of Mars energy remember use it wisely.

Don't the pluties/olies just LOVE it & must HOWL with delight! (probably the only fun they get)... the Peoples can absolutely be depended upon to think/do & fall for the same-old thing over & over & over & over again... down thru the centuries (you know... axium close to the Insanity one... doing the same old thing over & over again expecting different results.)

Do we REALLY desperately need the olie/plutie jobs & crumbs from their table?!? Are there absolutely no OTHER possibilities or options?! HAHAHAAAAA!!!

Fascinating geopolitical article on Iran's Oil bourse, war with Iran, etc. from The Crawford Iconoclast.

http://www.lonestaricon.com/2006/CurrentIssue/12/news03.htm

Llike I said: "...logical rational reasonable..."

Several years ago, we needed some landscaping work done that required more muscle than we have so we hired a landscaping company to do some of it. When they showed up they had a crew of Spanish men who did not speak English. One older man in particular, spoke a tiny bit of English, and I do speak a little Spanish, enough to know that he was forcefully evangelizing in a fairly creepy manner. I had been bringing them large pitchers of ice water and ice tea throughout the day. He came over to me and asked me if I spoke Spanish. I smiled and said, "poco". He said, while narrowing his eyes, "You'd better learn.". It made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

This massive illegal immigration is not intended to help anyone.

Dean has had a lot to say on this subject and how it is and will be used to be a wedge for their benefit. I't a good idea to study what he has to say.

This is by no means happening only in the southwest. Towns all over the country in the last few years have been swarmed and overwhelmed by illegal immagrents.

still havent heard anything that explains the odd politics of this immigration issue. you've got ted kennedy and bush (lame duck) on one side and an influential repub senator on the other. the illegals didnt organize that march; some very well greased organization did (they even had special t-shirts to wear). it's been reported that this 500,000 person protest is the largest protest march in US history. Even bigger than the vietnam marches. What about: Sensenbrenner comes out with this crackdown legislation, drawing the dems out in opposition. Which is going to put the dems on the wrong side of this issue with the general public (which this thread may reflect). So the vote goes to the repubs and when they get in conveniently forget all about clamping down on illegals (or they waterdown any legislation that might get passed before midterms) and its "business" as usual. It just doesnt seem natural that the republicans would be promoting the demise of this cheap work force.

I think that's a GREAT idea... that the insisters of Englilsh-Only (as in the Island Nation England far away across the Atlantic) learn some Spanish! 'Course that'd take a bit of humility I 'spose, however, it can be done. We can ck-out free CDs at the library (before these resources disappear) & make quite a bit of head-way.

That really wasn't the point Joanna. Learning Spanish along with several other languages is good indeed. It was said as a threat, as if he knew something he thought I didn't know.

Welcome to my home. Feel free to threaten me. No problem.

From American Progress Report:

ECONOMY – PROFITS RISE, WAGES FALL, INCOME GAP GROWS: The Wall Street Journal reports, "Since the end of 2000, gross domestic product per person in the U.S. has expanded 8.4%, adjusted for inflation, but the average weekly wage has edged down 0.3%." The reason? Since 2001, "a lot of the growth in GDP per person -- that is, productivity -- has gone to profits, not wages." Moreover, the Bush tax cuts "appear to have widened the income gap, according to many analyses. They increased take-home pay of almost all working Americans, but boosted it most for those at the top." Jared Bernstein of the Economic Policy Institute estimates "the weekly wage of the worker at the 10th percentile -- the one earning less than 90% of all workers -- fell 2.7% from 2000 to 2005, adjusted for inflation. The wage of the worker at the 90th percentile rose 5.3%."

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB114341649383308604-n4_olq41qXEvqTb_wgFhndoEDow_20070327.html?mod=blogs

http://www.epinet.org/

WOW! I didn't expect the anti-immigrant feelings I have encountered here.
I am frightened by the "Americans" who don't seem to remeber all the indigenous people killed, raped, detained,enslaved so very recently so that they could consider themselves "Americans".
I do and that includes my very recent ancestors who fled from the Kaiser only to end up in the Oklahoma territories only recently stolen from those to whom it was promised.
I know that we the beautiful Americans of European backgrounds have literally waded through blood and walked over bodies to build this empire. My only surprise is that the karma is coming home so early
I am sorry Pat C. that you had people working for you who scared you; in contrast I think of my neighbors who work so hard and who care so deeply for their children, of the mother of my godchildren who fled with baby on hip to excape a munderous spouse who was illegal and then a resident alien and is now a citizen.
I am frightened by the thought of Spanish speaking people suffering through this good old American poopulist backlash. I wonder that well educated Americans are not more informed regarding NAFTA, and the activities of the multi-national corporations who have literally bought the water out from under Mexican villages. I could go on but those I would want to reach will only wrap themselves in the soft warmth of their high ground knowing that they are not against immigration only "illegal" immigration. I fear that the puppet masters are getting exactly what they want. Tragic but so very common in human history,

The basic neptune sq mars USian:

"We [addicts] are not saints. The point is, that we are willing to grow along spiritual lines. The principles we have set down are guides to progress. We claim spiritual progress rather than spiritual perfection. …

"…The first requirement is that we be convinced that any life run on self-will can hardly be a success. On that basis we are almost always in collision with something or somebody, even tho our motives are good. Most people try to live by self-propulsion. Each person is like an actor who wants to run the whole show; is forever trying to arrange the lights, the ballet, the scenery & the rest of the players in his own way. If his arrangements wld only stay put, if only people wld do as he wished, the show wld be great. Everybody, incl himself, wld be pleased. Life wld be wonderful. In trying to make these arrangements, our actor may sometimes be quite virtuous. He may be kind, considerate, patient, generous; even modest & self-sacrificing. Otoh, he may be mean, egotistical, selfish & dishonest. But, as with most humans, he is more likely to have varied traits.

"What usually happens? The show doesn't come off very well. He begins to think life doesn't treat him right. He decides to exert himself more. He becomes, on the next occasion, still more demanding or gracious, as the case may be. Still the play does not suit him. Admitting he may be somewhat at fault, he is sure that other people are more to blame. He becomes angry, indignant, self-pitying. What is his basic trouble? Is he not really a self-seeker even when trying to be kind? Is he not a victim of the delusion that he can wrest satisfaction & happiness out of this world if he only manages well? Is it not evident to all the rest of the players that these are the things he wants? And do not his actions make each of them wish to retaliate, snatching all they can get out of the show? Is he not, even in his best moments, a producer of confusion rather than harmony?

"Our actor is self-centered, ego-centric, … He is like the retired business man who lolls in the FL sunshine in the winter complaining of the sad state of the nation; the minister who sighs over the sins of the 20th C; politicians & reformers who are sure all wld be Utopia if the rest of the world wld only behave; the outlaw safe cracker who thinks society has wronged him; & the alcoholic who has lost all & is locked up.

"Whatever our protestations, are not most of us concerned with ourselves, our resentments, or our self-pity?

"Selfishness, self-centeredness! That, we think, is the root of our troubles. Driven by a hundren forms of fear, self-delusion, self-seeking, & self-pity, we step on the toes of our fellows & they retaliate. Sometimes they hurt us, seemingly w/o provocation, but we invariably find that at some time in the past we have made decisions based on self which later placed us in a position to be hurt. ..." Alcoholics Anonymous, pg 60-62

You are exactly right Clymela, this is being done to the people. I heard a Democrat on one of those evening programs say, "NAFTA, CAFTA, HAFTA move to another country to get a job.".

We're all pawns and this is one scary game of heartless manipulation that is being played.

i dont think the tone of this thread is anti immigrant. no one but native americans can claim ancestry that is not immigrant. the problem IS "illegal" If it's not legal it needs to be stopped. If the laws are wrong; the laws need to be changed.

Erik Francis at planetwaves.net has a small piece up now about the demos. Excerpt:
"Indeed, this week's total solar eclipse is the answer to the June 21, 2001 total solar eclipse that gave us the Sept. 11 attacks and the military coup that allowed for the takeover of the U.S. government by the Neocon cabal. Remember this in case you're wondering if eclipses mean anything."

Chickens coming home to roots?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/26/business/yourmoney/26lou.html?_r=1&pagewanted=1&oref=slogin

NYTimes, Retraining, but for what?

snip

So the demand for jobs is considerably greater than the supply, and the supply is not what the reigning theory says it is. Most of the unfilled jobs pay low wages and require relatively little skill, often less than the jobholder has. From the spring of 2003 to the spring of 2004, for example, more than 55 percent of the hiring was at wages of $13.25 an hour or less: hotel and restaurant workers, health care employees, temporary replacements and the like.
That trend is likely to continue. Seven of the 10 occupations expected to grow the fastest from 2002 through 2012, according to the Labor Department, pay less than $13.25 an hour, on average: retail salesclerks, customer service representatives, food service workers, cashiers, janitors, nurse's aides and hospital orderlies.
The $13.25 threshold is important. More than 45 percent of the nation's workers, whatever their skills, earned less than $13.25 an hour in 2004, or $27,600 a year for a full-time worker. That is roughly the income that a family of four must have in many parts of the country to maintain a standard of living minimally above the poverty level. Surely lack of skill and education does not hold down the wages of nearly half the work force.
Something quite different seems to be true: the oversupply of skilled workers is driving people into jobs beneath their skills and driving down the pay of jobs equal to their skills. Both happened to the aircraft mechanics laid off by United.

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Probably talking to you Pat C the way he normally talks to women. Condescendingly. Contractor's ettiquete. Ahats come in all shapes and sizes and races. Bi-lingual is good for the brain cells, however, I'd prefer French to Spanish.

Just ride the bus and subways in NYC and whites are outnumbered. I give author programs in neighborhoods where I am the only white. Never feel fear. I am cautious, but I'm that way even in ritzy neighborhoods. I am concerned for the legality of it all. I see the immigrants at the bank and post office getting thier money orders, most likely to pay bills. I get annoyed too by that. I'm paying taxes, have a bank acct, and still below the poverty line, quite truthfully, since I'm an artist. The immigrants are in designer clothes with cell phones (???).

I took care of my culturally misogynistic ahat contractor who screwed up my floor because I dared to speak out on something I was not happy with. Went over his head and he never says hello on the street anymore. Who cares? ! Good on me! Karma Over!

I meant to write populist-my keyboard sticks on some letters.
bhakti- I think that whites are ournumbered on the bus, the train and all over the inner city after the business/banking quarters are closed down because the whites have moved to the suburbs.
I live in Berkeley,CA and the move out of San Francisco and Oakland has been amazing over the past 30 years. I don't think it is because the immigrants have eaten the whole pie, so to speak, but rather that they are there for the work.

In addition, I see the immigration movement as a tremendous help to ALL workers. Much like workers in the past, who critized & hated the beginning unions as they stupidly sided with the plutocrat... that somehow giving the plutie whatever he wanted would make the worker "safe" & jobfull... they may find themselves in a far better position... a position they claimed they wanted in the first place... than they thot possible. I consider this massive movement a Goddess-send. Anyway, it's what's happening & I TRY to take life on Life's terms, not make up something weird in muh haid & declare it REAL or "'sposed to be" real. I may do a lousely job of it... but mebbe not. ;O)

http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/apps/nl/newsletter2.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=917053#3

Scalia Unplugged

.........

Thanky bhakti. That was my second thought, which came right after my first impression. I've met your contracors too. Plainly, they travel from state to state. ;-)

LOL, that should have been "Thank you bhakte.".

What I try to keep in mind is this is one long Pluto transit altering the very being of the US of A, I don't think we've reached bottom yet, way more breaking down of old out moded ways. We'd like to think this is going to be over, quick fix, not. It's a long struggle to break out of the old and into the new. We are the Dawn of the Age of Aquarius, what are we going to make of it? And that question I pose to all AW'er who touch this site from around the world.

peace

I can't type to well today....

http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2006/03/dots_an_apparat.html

Early Warning

"An apparatus of domestic repression is being developed that could be abused in the future."

* Groundswell of protests back illegal immigrants

When members of the Senate Judiciary Committee meet Mon to wrestle with the fate of more than 11 million illegal immigrants living in the US, they can expect to do so against a backdrop of 1000s of demonstrators, incl clergy members wearing handcuffs & immigrant leaders in T-shirts that declare, "We Are America."

But if events of recent days hold true, they will be facing much more than that. Rallies in support of immigrants around the country have attracted crowds that have astonished even their organizers. More than a half-million demonstrators marched in LA on Sat, as many as 300,000 in Chicago on Mar 10, & - in between - tens of 1000s in Denver, Phoenix, Milwaukee & elsewhere.

One of the most powerful institutions behind the wave of public protests has been the RC Church, lending organizational muscle to a spreading network of grass-roots coalitions. In recent wks, the church has unleashed an army of priests & parishioners to push for the legalization of the nation's illegal immigrants, sending 1000s of postcards to members of Congress & 1000s of parishioners into the streets.

The demos embody a surging constituency demanding that illegal immigrants be given a path to citizenship rather than be punished with prison terms. It is being pressed as never before by immigrants who were long thot too fearful of deportation to risk so public a display.

"It's unbelievable," said Partha Banerjee, dir of the NJ Immigration Policy Network, who was in Wash yesterday to help plan more nationwide protests on Apr 10. "People are joining in so spontaneously, it's almost like the immigrants have risen. I wld call it a civil rights mvmt reborn in this country."

What has galvanized demonstrators, esp Mexicans & other Latin Americans who predominate among illegal immigrants, is proposed lege - already passed by the House of Reps - that wld make it a felony to be in the US w/o proper papers, & a fed crime to aid illegal immigrants. But the proposed measure also shows the clout of another growing force that elected officials have to reckon with: a groundswell of anger against illegal immigration that is esp potent in border states & swing-voting suburbs where the numbers & social costs of illegal immigrants are most acutely felt. "It's an entirely predictable example of the law of unintended consequences," said Joshua Hoyt, exec dir of the IL Coalition for Immigrant & Refugee Rights, who helped organize the Chicago rally & who said he was shocked by the size of the turnout. "The [necroporn] party made a decision to use illegal immigration as the wedge issue of 2006, & the Mexican community was profoundly offended."

Until the wave of immigration rallies, the campaign by grps demanding stringent enforcement lege [doomed to failure] seemed to have the upper hand in Wash. The Judiciary Committee was deluged by faxes/e-mail msgs from orgs like NumbersUSA, which calls for a reduction in immigration, & claims 237,000 activists nationwide, & the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which has long opposed any form of amnesty, incl a guest-worker program advocated by [booosh]. ...
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/03/27/america/web.0327immig.php">http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/03/27/america/web.0327immig.php">http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/03/27/america/web.0327immig.php

Thom Hartmann has good labor/union/immigration histories on QuickTime. There were hardly any illegal immigrates when the USA had strong unions.
http://www.louisehartmann.com/clips/LaborUnions/TH-020105-LU.mp3
http://www.louisehartmann.com/clips/LaborUnions/TH-101603-LU.mp3

Alec DuBro interview
http://www.louisehartmann.com/clips/LaborUnions/TH-081705-LU.mp3

The boots
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/meekssandygirl/bushfamily.jpg
He's such a card.

A quick history
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/impeach.htm

Pallas and others: It wasn't me about the Mars/Neptune. Must have been Barb or Shy.

But I am writing to you because I agree with your take on the demonstrations by the illegal immigrants. I AM ALARMED AND ANGRY THAT NON-CITIZENS COULD TAKE TO OUR STREETS IN THE NUMBERS THAT THEY ARE TO PROTEST ABOUT THEIR RIGHTS WHEN THEY ARE NOT EVEN CITIZENS. AN NOTHING IS DONE ABOUT IT. NOTHING.....WHETHER PEACEFUL OR NOT THIS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN. FIRST AND FOREMOST THEY NEED TO GO BACK HOME AND PROTEST THERE TO THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT AND HOMELAND WHERE THEY RIGHTFULLY BELONG.

It is totally unacceptable and misplaced boldness on their part.
I WILL PICK APPLES AND CLEAN THE MOTEL ROOMS!

I could have been working all along if it weren't for some illegal immigrant taking the job that should go to a citizen first. They don't even speak English. I work with them. I know.

I am sick of it but quite frankly think the problem will just become worse not better as alluded to by Cybear and others. Corporations speak with and about money.

I do not consider it anti-immigration to express a desire that our system would be legal and different than it is now.

Afterall, It is jobs that we are talking about (at least I am). Our very lively hood.

Jobs have never been the overriding issue that they are now along with the subsequent lowering of the standard of living.

Moussaoui: I Was Supposed To Hijack A Fifth Plane And Fly It Into The White House...

Associated Press | MATTHEW BARAKAT | March 27, 2006 at 01:11 PM

Al-Qaida conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui testified Monday that he and would-be shoe bomber Richard Reid were supposed to hijack a fifth airplane on Sept. 11, 2001, and fly it into the White House.

Moussaoui's testimony on his own behalf stunned the courtroom as he disclosed details he had never revealed before. It was in stark contrast to Moussaoui's previous statements in which he said the White House attack was to come later if the United States refused to release a radical Egyptian sheik imprisoned on earlier terrorist convictions.

IF he's telling the truth, then that blows holes in the idea that Bushco was responsible for
9/11.

I'm curious, Lurking Lovi. Please elucidate about the "holes in the idea that Bushco was responsible. . . ."

Yes, please do.

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/06/03/con06111.html

The Fear Is In the Room: Inside Our Unbrave Media World

NEW YORK -- There is a scene in the movie Good Night, and Good Luck about an outbreak of insecurity that nearly ended the late CBS News legend’s broadcast challenge to red-hunting Senator Joe McCarthy before it aired.

A few hours before the historic moment that demonstrated that newscasters can take on demagogic politicians and deceptive policies, Edward R. Murrow’s colleagues were having second thoughts.

One pointed out that McCarthy would likely lash back. Another worried that the program would be seen as a mere gesture and accomplish nothing. A third wondered if it was worth jeopardizing the show and CBS News by going after such a high-profile figure so forcefully.

Murrow listened with growing despair at timidity packaged as pragmatism.

Each of his colleagues were loyal to him and key members of his team. He needed them, just as they wanted to assure his survival in a corporate environment easily pressured by government and sponsors.

When it was his turn to speak, he spoke of the fear that McCarthyism had instilled in society. "That fear," he said, "is now in this room."

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all-
please remember that the Us Gov't. almost blew the Moussaoui case because it was evident they'd coached him.....

I consider that statement above to be KKKArl's latest disinfo, to discredit Charlie Sheen's recent statements.....

Just a thought: not all the people demonstrating were immigrants without papers.
I always suspect the honesty of those who say they would have had a job if it weren't for those immigrants. I also remeber when it was the "boat people" who were taking all the low paying jobs and using up all the health care and crowding American children out of public school. I remember when people believed that the people from Vietnam and Laos and Cambodia were getting food stamps and cash assistance that "real" Americans were denied. It wasn't true then and it is not true now.

Not in these numbers.

From Maia:

I remember that at the first Dean fundraiser I attended, Gov. Dean said that the way to solve the problem of illegal immigration is to have trade agreements that require the other countries to raise their standards for wages, working conditions, human rights, etc. If our policies encourage raising the standard of living in other countries, the people won't need to leave their homes and families to survive.

Exactly, clymela... ;O)

Folks, to listen and watch more internet recordings you can get a free copy of QuickTime 6.5.2 for your non-Apple computer here.
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/player/win.html

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/

Are you astounded that illegal immigrants would demonstrate to protest the enforcement of the borders they crossed illegally to enter the United States?

Wow, Pat C., that's really an objectively-worded survey question.

shy, I think he is pretty set on his stance on the issue.

Senate Cuts Part of House Immigration Bill

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/032706R.shtml

As immigration rights activists rallied outside the Capitol, senators broke Monday from the House's get-tough approach by refusing to make criminals of people who help illegal immigrants.

"...refusing to make criminals of people who help illegal immigrants." Hahahahahaaaaaa... but the REAL criminals, corpos & companies, who use & abuse immigrants... well, they're okay. Nothing to see here... move on, move on, no pea under that shell.

"should the US restrict immigration?"

Duh. HUH???

the US has always restricted immigration. that is
LEGAL IMMIGRATION.

Boat people? what boat people? the Southeast Asians who came here LEGALLY?

Or the Cubans who are sent back to Cuba in 90%
of the cases?

Lets' be clear about what we're talking about here. ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION .

And when anyone want to organize something - where do they start? The churches,. And who is supporting illegal immigration by especially Mexicans into this country? The Catholic Church - The Catholic Church is focused on Hispanics because catholicism is dying in this country...but hispanics are still true believers...another source of income for the Catholic Church.- so support ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION SO that they can support the Catholic Church with their meager contributuions...

You all seem to forget something - cleverly just calling everyone in one big bag "immigrants".
NO NO NO -noooo no. There's a big difference between those who came here from Russia and Ireland, and Austria, and Poland and even India of
late. Yup they are and were immigrants. LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

So stop the bullsh_t with the racist American crap.

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There's something else going on here also. As Morgana so keenly pointed out.....one world government - borderless........so next the war will be between Mexico and the US. To see who is going to be the overlord of the North American Continent. Bush or Vicente Fox.

And oh yes,,,,count on Lou Dobbs' people to dig out the truth, or at least closer to the truth.

It's not 11 million illegals (whether Hispanic or not) it's TWENTY (20) MILLION.

And as someone said above, yup. He has planned all along to have occupants for those "detention" camps he built.

I can see it now: usted va in detencione o a Iraq? Que le gusta?

gotta get that cannon fodder from someplace.

So you people pro-illegal immigration - you still want to support that when that's going to be the coutcome for any boy or girl of age for the uniform???

Thank you Pallas! Well said, just as everything else you have posted on this issue.

Another problem with Illegal Aliens is the fact that it adds to the growing poverty here in the US. How quikly people forget about what took place with Katrina. We need to take care of our own before we can take care of others.

POPCORN ALERT: is KKKarl stabbing Snarly in the back to save Chimpy?

http://timesonline.typepad.com/mick_smith/2006/03/is_karl_rove_st.html#more

IF Moussaoui was telling the truth that he was supposed to hijack a fifth plane and fly it into the White House then it might be that 9/11 thing was not conceived by the US gov't. I mean why would he say that unless either he was instructed to say that to discredit Sheen and the conspiracy theory (like Garry said) or the gov't didn't have a hand in 9/11 and he was telling the truth. Personally, I think the US gov't was involved, that's why I said "IF" he was telling the truth.

Bah. Humbug. Fascists may win again... including or exclusing astrology.

New Moon in Aries
Wednesday, March 29, 2006
2:15am PST
8º 35'
Total Solar Eclipse
2:30amPST
8º 44'

Because Aries is the youngest of the signs, this is the New Moon for fresh starts. Aries represents the inner child; that amazingly trusting, innocent soul that lives within each of us. Even in the worst of times, it is important to be aware of the ever-present humor that exists in the darkest moments of our lives. After all, the greatest comedy does arise from the deepest tragedies. I realize innocence is hard to conjure up when the world is in such disarray, but this is the only New Moon of the year when we get to start all over again. If this past year has left you feeling beaten down, depressed, and physically or emotionally wounded, this is the New Moon to start anew. When darkness comes into our lives, we must remember that the dawn will eventually come.This New Moon is the rising sun, the light at the end of the tunnel, the beginning of your journey back to wholeness. It is a refreshing and joyful New Moon. Winter is over! Renewal has arrived!

New Moon in Aries
Wednesday, March 29, 2006
2:15am PST
8º 35'
Total Solar Eclipse
2:30amPST
8º 44'

Because Aries is the youngest of the signs, this is the New Moon for fresh starts. Aries represents the inner child; that amazingly trusting, innocent soul that lives within each of us. Even in the worst of times, it is important to be aware of the ever-present humor that exists in the darkest moments of our lives. After all, the greatest comedy does arise from the deepest tragedies. I realize innocence is hard to conjure up when the world is in such disarray, but this is the only New Moon of the year when we get to start all over again. If this past year has left you feeling beaten down, depressed, and physically or emotionally wounded, this is the New Moon to start anew. When darkness comes into our lives, we must remember that the dawn will eventually come.This New Moon is the rising sun, the light at the end of the tunnel, the beginning of your journey back to wholeness. It is a refreshing and joyful New Moon. Winter is over! Renewal has arrived!

http://www.astrowisdom.com/thisnewmoon.htm

the ILLEGALS are going to demonstrate in Washington DC on Friday, is it?
When?

Cause if there's enough time I wouldn't be surprised if they're not greeted with close to 20,000 sherrifs, military, cops etc etc and pens - as was seen in Savannah.
_

The minister's wife.
Title of a book.
Beaten down woman.
And those nice Tennesssee cops wont tell why she did it protecting the dead mininster's reputation.
At least I bet until after the funeral.

I have this funny feeling that the minister (of it turns out to be a xian cult) just might have been a child molester of those two little girls.

I still don't follow, Lurking Lovi. How exactly does the WH being/not being hit make a difference? I'm just trying to understand. We could already know all there is to know about that horrible day, I'm not arguing we don't. I'm just confused and would appreciate any input that might help clarify things for me.

The roaring 20's were roaring for the corporatists who were rolling in dollars after WW1 meanwhile with their newfound power they were destroying the unions (the very ones who worked so dang hard during the war to get the job done and made all those elites so much $$$). It was a terrible depression for the worker which lead to the greater one of the 30's.

Much has been said of uranus in Pisces in reference to 1918 flu, what about american labor? Under the guise of anti-socialism terrible acts were committed. Do you astrologers see correspondences?

The actions of today's politicos are very similar. Perhaps re-visiting the value of unions and guilds would be wise for we the people. It was under JFK that the unions really got a lift up. Good to remember what works; collective bargaining.

just musing.

Well I was the Democratic Leader for our town for the 2004 election...............Out of 200 registered Democrats, despite our heroic efforts, only 18 attended the caucus! And of the 180 Latino immigrants here
0................attended!!!! I know the one family has been in America for at least 20 years. They own a house in Fla. ( but have been full time residents up here for at least 6 years!) You can bet your sweet bippy, that any social sevices who help them assimilate aren't teaching them the responsibility of citizens to participate in the Govt. H**l our own American kids aren't being taught that either anymore!
My b-day sharing ( but 10 years JR) friend had established a spanish/english learning center, and gotten a grant from B Bush Foundation to run it. She remained politically neutral because of it!
It has run it's course now. No newcomers in several years
A few years ago I heard a program on PBS, about how it was believed in the 30;s? 40's that hot Mexican food, promoted violence, so the immigrant wives were taught how to make things like eggs a la goldenrod, & jello molds! I thought that was pretty funny!
But "we've come a long way baby" since then! And still farther to go!
PQ

Oh, tseka! Unions? Organized labor? Just imagine what that might lead to: better wages, better working conditions, decent fringe benefits, conditions on out-sourcing, and on and on. No, no, our dear corporations would be ever so pained and harmed, restricted and--hey!--might even pass away from being strangled by organized labor. My, my! The very idea.

I saw Garry's post about the cloak and dagger website and was absolutely digusted by it. First the references to Hillary were vulgar.

Second there was no way that Kerry was invlved in JFK assassination. Kerry was a college student. He was to busy playing on the hockey and scoccer teams, learning to fly, being in student government, working part time (he didn't have much cash and had to picked up Fanta Orange bottles for recycling). He was never going to have time to be some secret agent. Most importantly, John Kerry loved John Kennedy. Kerry heaed Kennedy speak and was moved by him. The whole Kerry family were staunch democrats.

Second, Kerry was the one who spoke out against Nixon's criminal activites and the atrocities of war when he got back. His whole life was out in the open. The FBI, military police, DC police and the Nixon whitehouse monitored him and tried to dig up dirt on him. Sorry but Kerry is one of the good guys.

As for the immigration issue, it's a tough one because it is a very emotional issue. Personally, America has the right to police and monitor its borders, BUT it should do so in a way that does not strip immigrants of their humanity. Many immigrants are trying to make a better life for themselves and their families. HOWEVER, their striving for a better life should not be allowed to become a strain on US resources. Societies with a large lower class are unstable. We don't want wages to be undercut nor safety precautions undercut by cheap, illegal labor. Mine owners want to bring in Mexicans to work mines instead of Americans.

I also think that the US acts as a buffer and safety valve for the corruption in Mexico. The Mexican people need to demand more of their governement. Mexico is a beautiful country blessed with great resources and hard working people. There is no reason why the Mexican people cannot demand governmental policies to improve their lives so familes don't need to be broken up.

One last comment and then I'll move on - Go to Chinatown, Little Korea, your favorite asian restaurant or takeout place anywhere in America and I guarantee there are illegal immigrants working in the kitchens and cooking the food that you eat at many of these places. Should we send them back home to starve or die because "they are taking away jobs that we could do". Oh wait - they don't make waves, they don't protest, they don't speak up so it's ok if they stay here.

And by the way, the protesters across the country were not mostly illegals, in fact the majority were latino and mexican americans who decided to take a stand against the insane immigration laws the repugs were trying to pass. As for the protests being well organized - if you followed the latino movement at all over the past ten years you would know that they have become a moving force in this country - politically, socially and economically. Pretty scary huh.

It continually amazes me how, universally, there always seem to be this need for one group of people to feel superior to another. It's what over the course of centuries has helped the powers that be start wars as well as foster hatred and fear.

I agree with Morgana - eventually our borders will be seamless and there will be a one world government if we don't stop fighting each other and use this energy to stop the global regime instead.

Bobbypins, this has nothing to do with people feeling superior.

So what you are saying is the border between the US and Mexico should be erased??? If so, You do not belong here and should move to Mexico and help them make a difference. Same for the others that feel that way.

You are part of the problem. Or maybe you are wealthy and have not been effected by the illegals.

Why don't you try sneaking into Mexico and see what they do to you.

Mexican jails are not the greatest place to be. That's if you even make it there.

Kitticup, I apologize for that link's language, but they occasionally do have some info that pans out.

Now here's a thought--how much will these enabling employers care for illegals if the guestworker amnesty program is passed, & they become legal? Then, they'll have to be paid minimum wage and overtime so, my guess is they'll be tossed aside too.....

Pat C, I know this is a well-meaning comment you posted ...

I remember that at the first Dean fundraiser I attended, Gov. Dean said that the way to solve the problem of illegal immigration is to have trade agreements that require the other countries to raise their standards for wages, working conditions, human rights, etc. If our policies encourage raising the standard of living in other countries, the people won't need to leave their homes and families to survive.

HOWEVER, this is the classic myth that americans believe in because the gubmint tells them it's true - when in reality, it isn't. We (the U.S.) do not have any rights as workers. Or very few. Other countries have many, many, many more rights than we do (not all of them of course - but we sure don't pony up as any kind of glowing example). Don't get me wrong. I like Dean. But he's misinformed.

Many other countries have much better social systems than the U.S. does. In the U.S. you can be fired "at-will". You don't have a right to a vacation or sick leave, a pension, disability payments, maternity leave (well the Family Leave Medical Act - but it's without pay, so it doesn't count). And on and on.

I used to listen to Americans from the U.S. Consulate spouting off about forcing other countries to have better labor agreements for their citizens. What a joke.

For instance. I have worked in two countries. The U.S. and Chile.

In the U.S. the corporations I worked for provided benefits in the way of health, sick leave, vacation, etc. But it was the corporations choice, it was not mandatory.

In Chile, where my two children were born,I had 5 1/2 months paid maternity leave (mandatory). When I returned to work I had two half hours a day (not including travel time) to go breast feed my children (which I did), after returning from maternity leave they couldn't fire me for a year (even if I didn't show up to work - not that I would do something like that, however), I had paid vaction (mandatory), a pension (mandatory), paid sick leave (mandatory), health insurance (mandatory) and when I left Chile to move back to the U.S. I was paid one month for every year I had worked for the company (8 months pay in total). All of it's mandatory.

My father, when he returned to the U.S. had a job where he did not have ONE day of vacation. NOT ONE!

So, just to set the record straight.

PS I'm not an imigrant. My father was a U.S. Army officer and I was born overseas.

" if you followed the latino movement at all over the past ten years you would know that they have become a moving force in this country - politically, socially and economically. Pretty scary huh."

Yes , it really is scary that America's politicians would allow illegal lawbreakers to
"become a moving force in this country. Now America's people are taking the stand their chicken livered politicians wouldn't and the illegals rise up and demand rights. Well bullfroggy. You just dont get it. THEY SHOULD BE IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY DEMANDING RIGHTS, LIVING WAGES AND JOBS ---and their own country is NOT
America because they came here ILLEGALLY!!!!!!

You just dont get it.

"It continually amazes me how, universally, there always seem to be this need for one group of people to feel superior to another. It's what over the course of centuries has helped the powers that be start wars as well as foster hatred and fear. "

Again, you just dont get it. By being illegal, they have no rights against an employer, and bring down everybody's wages by being so desperate for work that they;'ll work for the peanuts you were crying about aabout 20 posts ago.
And THAT is what gives the corporations and the cheap companies POWER and bigger profits. They, the ILLEGALS are making themselves WILLING SLAVES to the detriment of all the working men and women.

What makes you think that just because entire families and cousins work in the kitchen of my Chinese restaurant and they all speak Chinese, that they're illegal? Speak of prejudice.

"And by the way, the protesters across the country were not mostly illegals, in fact the majority were latino and mexican americans who decided to take a stand against the insane immigration laws "

And exactly how do you know that? Did you speak with all 500,000 especially the ones waving Mexican flags? Did you speak with the 50,000 in Denver?

Cmon. Would you care to explain why they're not demonstrating in Mexico against Vicente Fox for better jobs, housing, wages, medical care?????

Apparently

Ja, well Shy....as homeopathic doctor i guess i'm always looking for the pattern...what heals. The similimum and our ancestors have already been down this road. FDR did a great deal busting up the monopolies, i don't know that we can count on someone on a rescuing horse this time. Better plan to yank up our bootstraps. hmmm that's what my union organizer grandpapa would say. Worked in the lumber mills until his mid 80's lost a few fingers to railroad work as he treked cross country at 14. (He was indentured at 7 to a dairy farm up in your neck of the woods PQ). Carried lash marks on his back.

We are all in this together.

So much of immigration law / illegal immigrants rights has been visited and settled courtesy Ole Petey Wilson and his attempts here in CA. Not to mention equal protection under 14th amendment. (course we have an new game at SCOTUS) Depressing how these patterns repeat. I'm sure a lot of others on this board were part of the Chavez movement and grape boycotts...somehow i feel like we've stepped on a moibus strip carrying us back over and over the same points.

I protest the rudeness you're projecting at bobbypins, Cybear, because YOU are having problems getting a job. Keep going & I'd be surprised how you could EVER get a job imo. I see all your beautiful astrology wisdom thruout the months go to Hel in a handbasket... it ain't pretty.

All your misery is not going change things one wit to the way you demand them... never-ever. So as your friend, I shall suggest you try something else... like some good old fashioned innerwork... & apologize to bobbypins.

(I love that tag... "bobbypins" ;O))

If Moussaui is telling the truth, which in some part he probably is - "they" always come back until they finish the job. the World Trade Center was their third attempt at it.....or maybe they just attempted twice and someone "else" took advantage of their reputation and finished the job.

I've thought for some time that's why they've moved so much of the nation's business to somewhere in Colorado.

The least they could do is get our history, furniture, paintings out of the White House which in actuality is a museum...but of course, when "they " had no respect for museums holding 10,000 year old artifacts of the beginning and "cradle of civilization" , why would they give a damn about our history.

That'd be a good thing to find out! Why DON'T the Mexican people protest in their own country? There are probably some very good reasons... they aren't stupid people.

Which leads me to the next thot... just how long do we think we'll get away with protesting in THIS country?!? Being faced with unrestrained govt violence might be quite a damper... govt boyz have the arsenal of hi-tech nasties they're just itching to use the way I hear it.

http://tinyurl.com/l98vf

Hotel USA

Cybear,

I read your last two posts and I think they're very realistic and not rude at all. It's exactly what I've been saying. Sneak into their country without papers and you WOULD end up in their jail.

The demonstration the Latinos have made this past week, especially yesterday is akin to biting the hand that feeds them. And has done nothing but harden the hearts of Americans against them for their absolute chutzpah.

And I agree. The reform is needed in Mexico especially, and Honduras and Guatemala. But they know better than to demonstrate there. And yet if they went 500,000 strong in Mexico maybe the Mexicans still left in Mexico would join them and some change could be affected.

But that would be more dangerous and much harder than trying to intimidate Americans and their politicians. Personally I think they've made a big mistake.

The FEMA law written in 1980 by the compassionate republicans says the detention camps in America will be for : Latinos first, Blacks second, dissidents third.

The FBI's cameramen must have been working double time.

Pat C

We were posting about the same thing at the same time.... those hotels loom large in our consciousness, dont they?

From Hopkins:

Phil Ochs got it right:

Bracero

Wade into the river
Through the rippling shallow watter
Steal accross the thirsty border
Bracero
Come bring your hungry bodies
To the golden fields of plenty
From a peso to a penny
Bracero
Oh, welcome to California
Where the friendly farmers
Will take care of you
Come labor for your mother
For your father and your brother
For your sisters and your lover
Bracero
Come pick the fruits of yellow
Break the flowers from the berries
Purple grapes will fill your bellies
Bracero
Oh, Welcome to California
Where the friendly farmers
Will take care of you
And the sun will bite your body
As the dust will draw you thristy
While your muscles beg for mercy
Bracero
In the shade of your sombrero
Drop your sweat upon the soil
Like the fruit your youth can spoil
Bracero
Oh, welcome to California
Where the friendly farmers
Will take care of you
When the weary night embraces
Sleep in shacks that could be cages
They will take it from your wages
Bracero
Come sing about tomorrow
With a jingle of the dollars
And forget your crooked collar
Bracero
Oh, welcome to California
Where the friendly farmers
Will take care of you
And the local men are lazy
And they make too much of trouble
Besides we'd have to pay them double
Bracero
Ah, but if you feel you're fallin'
If you find the pace is killing
There are others who are willing
Bracero
Oh, welcome to California
Where the friendly farmers
Will take care of you

(why am I not surprised...)

It's very scary Pallas if you look just below the first centameter....very scary. What tseka said, "FDR did a great deal busting up the monopolies, i don't know that we can count on someone on a rescuing horse this time.", is oh so true, and I don't think many if almost any get it at all.

oops, sorry about the spelling error.

Speaking of Hel although i don't think that was your intention Joanna, she is 8+ degrees pisces closing in on Uranus. Hel, healing the two whole parts which are in disunion -returning to union, is having a little dosy-do with stir it up urnanus, just to make the differences stand out?

Marta, I should learn Spanish and move to Chile.

tseka, how do you see that manifesting?

By the way Joanna, I landed a job today making more money then I have ever made so i guess I must be doing something right. Found out this afternoon...I have built up some very good Karma over the years!

Heated debate, yes....Rude, didn't intend that.

Chill

Congratulations Cybear!!! I hope you love your job and your job loves you!

Manifesting? Pat C do you mean Hel?
Congrats Cybear, i'm glad for you.

tseka, yes, I do mean Hel....in the mundane world.

I'm so freaking excited I could explode. I still don't believe it. And it will give me enough extra to work on starting my own business up in the next few years.

Pat C

The poem , how true it is, is everything Chavez tried to straighten out - and he made progress - and now the fools are undoing the progress he worked for and which shortened his life.

Interesting interview on Ohlbermann - 2 interesting interviews.

The school children who were demonstrating are thought to be Latino children born in America and showed up 500,000 strong because they are worried about what will happen to their illegal parents.

Let's see. 500,000 children who are offspring of illegals. 500,000 times approximately $72,000 to educate them from kindergarten to Senior year in high school. How much is that just in one city?

Second interview on Ohlbermann was Greenspan's wife talking about the transcript report found of Blair's meeting with junior and how they were planning the war and how to provoke Saddam into war....and when Blair asked about an exit plan was told by jr. not to worry about it.

When she goes on Ohlbermann with that, there's a lot of movement going on behind the scenes by the powers that be.

Now what did Barb, Bev, who? say about the 12th house in the returns? :)

Congrats big time Cybear. And on Mercury direct and an eclipse too !!

Much good luck with it. Put as many dollars under your mattress as you can . Not kidding.

Clearly, they backed the wrong horse when they covered for Bush.

Cybear, I very happy for you. How wonderful!

Well Pat C, i'm still very newbie with astrology and so i'm mostly watching the patterns of what occurs when she transits certain degrees and planets. What occurs to me is that she her energy is very like pluto but where pluto has a very masculine sense of transformative energies and affects long cycles, setting course for generations, Hel is more like the tantrika, the devi, the devine power who transforms. Because she is an asteroid i see her as more personal like the inner planets and some of the asteroids.
Tantrika describes her best i guess. For although she, note the SHE, is both masculine and feminine, the two whole parts melded she is remembered as a she. What this suggests to me is the very ancient tantric path of union that disolves into the "beyond sself" but the path is only through woman the masculine surrenders in a sense. Pluto is very unlike this....control vs surrender, fear vs unconditional love, religion vs soulsong.
Maybe, we just have to watch for some longer.

I knew these two eclipse's would bring big changes my way and it came just in time. I am down to my last $100 in the bank and no more savings account. Time for a whole new beginning.

Thanks everyone for all of the good vibes. It has helped.

Ah, soulsong. How nice. The world needs soulsong.

Thank you tseka, that was so clear.

PS the tantric path i'm speaking of is not the new age idea floating around currently. And the tanrika is not a gentle teacher. To pass the tests one must face all the fear. Here is the similarity to Pluto.

Speaking of the powers that be;
the generals are coming out. I'm not sure whether that's good news for us or not:

"Eric Haney, a retired command sergeant major of the U.S. Army, was a founding member of Delta Force, the military's elite covert counter-terrorist unit. .....snip....But he's also someone with close ties to the Pentagon, so he's privy to information denied the rest of us.

"Q: What's your assessment of the war in Iraq?

A: Utter debacle. But it had to be from the very first. The reasons were wrong. The reasons of this administration for taking this nation to war were not what they stated. (Army Gen.) Tommy Franks was brow-beaten and ... pursued warfare that he knew strategically was wrong in the long term. That's why he retired immediately afterward. ...-snip- We have fomented civil war in Iraq. We have probably fomented internecine war in the Muslim world between the Shias and the Sunnis, and I think Bush may well have started the third world war, all for their own personal policies."

and

"Retired Generals Want Scalia Off Gitmo Case
Monday, March 27, 2006
(03-27) 17:40 PST WASHINGTON, (AP) -- "

Yea, verily, tseka... I did happen to mean the astroid Hel; also the Scandinavian Hel... another Great Mother who lived in the center of Earth.

Congratulations, Cybear!! I'm very very happy for you... relieves a lot of pressure. I hope you also feel blessed & gentle-man enuf to apologize to bobbypins. Chill.

Meanwhile, People continue to die horribly in Iraq. I detest bushaholic. Mike Malloy is good tonight on AirAmerica... must be that week of vacation he just had. ;O)

How this relates politically? How do we face our fears? Pluto or Hel. "You are for us or you are against us" OR as the Salish Grandmothers "all of our children are our children"

Hel with Uranus in Pisces maybe she asks that question how do you face your fear? especially of the unknown...of death.

Ja wonderful Joanna. Hel was also a culture. The circle of Hel. The mounds, the stonedances were first to her, a culture before the Vanir and Aesir the southern end of the circle -Scotland mixed into the Celtic culture. Much of the old dances lie above the artic circle. If you read the ancient vedic texts and others threads seem to join back to there. or maybe once we communicated across time/space and wisdom had no boundry? I am always amazed.

Bobbypins, we are a passionate bunch here and sometimes things get taken out of context and I apologize if any offense was taken.

Joanna...Peace

Hmm... Could Houston be the target of another Bushista-staged 9/11? Ken Welch thinks so, and that Easter no less is the grand occasion.

***

RUSSIAN NUKE TRACED TO TEXAS

by Ken Welch in Houston
Posted March 25, 2006

During the summer of 2005 it was decided go ahead with plans for America’s second 9/11.

The decision was not made in a torch-lit cave in Afghanistan, nor in a nondescript safe-house in Iraq. Implementing the plan would involve the highest officials of the United States government. The centerpiece of the plan is a portable nuclear weapon manufactured in the former Soviet Union. A tame “terrorist”, destined no doubt to be an eventual patsy, arranged for the bomb’s transport by sea, and the ship carrying it entered Galveston Bay on January 25, 2006. At this time the device remains hidden on board the ship that brought it, a freighter docked in or near the port of Texas City, about thirty minutes south of Houston, and only ten miles from the island city of Galveston.

Radiation monitoring teams from the Department of Homeland Security were on the beach at Galveston to make sure there was no radiation leakage from the ship that might register on monitors and give away the secret. After the vessel concluded it’s normal business and was tied up at its final position, a team of experts inspected the device, determined that it was fully functional, and installed the triggering mechanism. They pronounced it ready to go, and released it to the White House on February 16th.

The nuke has remained there up to the time of this posting, and will be detonated at some time during the Easter holiday, April 14-16, to maximize the illusion that the world is involved in religious conflict. This will be a spectacular media event involving the mass evacuation of three million people, already tested in the bizarre Rita stampede last November. Network cameras will be locked on Texas City, from a distance of course, to ensure the best possible pictures of the flash and rising mushroom cloud. Many Americans will die, and the once again the world will be changed forever.

This is ultimate reality, life in the raw, far removed from the fairytales taught in schools and portrayed in mass media. It simply doesn’t get more real than this. Within this report you will hear the voices of U.S. officials in reversed speech, a medium that reveals hidden thoughts, giving you the actual details about their little mushroom surprise for America and the world.

You will hear with your own ears WHAT it is, WHERE it is, HOW it got here, WHO is responsible, and WHEN they intend to set it off.

http://www.ken-welch.com/

Hmm... Could Houston be the target of another Bushista-staged 9/11? Ken Welch thinks so, and that Easter no less is the grand occasion.

***

RUSSIAN NUKE TRACED TO TEXAS

by Ken Welch in Houston
Posted March 25, 2006

During the summer of 2005 it was decided go ahead with plans for America’s second 9/11.

The decision was not made in a torch-lit cave in Afghanistan, nor in a nondescript safe-house in Iraq. Implementing the plan would involve the highest officials of the United States government. The centerpiece of the plan is a portable nuclear weapon manufactured in the former Soviet Union. A tame “terrorist”, destined no doubt to be an eventual patsy, arranged for the bomb’s transport by sea, and the ship carrying it entered Galveston Bay on January 25, 2006. At this time the device remains hidden on board the ship that brought it, a freighter docked in or near the port of Texas City, about thirty minutes south of Houston, and only ten miles from the island city of Galveston.

Radiation monitoring teams from the Department of Homeland Security were on the beach at Galveston to make sure there was no radiation leakage from the ship that might register on monitors and give away the secret. After the vessel concluded it’s normal business and was tied up at its final position, a team of experts inspected the device, determined that it was fully functional, and installed the triggering mechanism. They pronounced it ready to go, and released it to the White House on February 16th.

The nuke has remained there up to the time of this posting, and will be detonated at some time during the Easter holiday, April 14-16, to maximize the illusion that the world is involved in religious conflict. This will be a spectacular media event involving the mass evacuation of three million people, already tested in the bizarre Rita stampede last November. Network cameras will be locked on Texas City, from a distance of course, to ensure the best possible pictures of the flash and rising mushroom cloud. Many Americans will die, and the once again the world will be changed forever.

This is ultimate reality, life in the raw, far removed from the fairytales taught in schools and portrayed in mass media. It simply doesn’t get more real than this. Within this report you will hear the voices of U.S. officials in reversed speech, a medium that reveals hidden thoughts, giving you the actual details about their little mushroom surprise for America and the world.

You will hear with your own ears WHAT it is, WHERE it is, HOW it got here, WHO is responsible, and WHEN they intend to set it off.

http://www.ken-welch.com/

Thanks for that information, tseka... you're delightful! I was lucky enuf to spend, as you know I think, to spend fall in Scotland & England. I was interested solely how the People were faring in Consciousness & exploring ancient monolithic sites. I'm still absorbing all that... particularly Scotland... a Hel of a haunting plutonian experience inwardly. ;O) I've always considered pluto as yin... a figure that did the Great Mother's bidding... another aspect specifically of Herself in masculine form.

I've never had fear about "death" (all that scorpio & prominent pluto); however, I've had a few squishy moments reflecting on what it might be like leading UP to death. HAH! A little story. My best friend in Tulsa where I was... um, exiled for a number of years, is an aquarian with a scorpio ascendant. She was an atty for dead people... probates, will, etc. She had had a long-time gentleman friend before he moved to Alaska (she refused to go with him), who is a mortician AND... his name is Bob DIGGS. WhaddaHOOT!!

Namaste, Cybear... peace.

NEObuckeye

what do you make of that?
by RS does he mean slips of the tongue?

I dont think the place he says because they would not interfere with the "juice of life" to them.

I suspect because he's in so much trouble and his base is leaving him that it would be at dc - he could get rid of those pesky critters who are trying to impeach him and have all the fun and media exposure too plus lots of shock and awe around the world. Of course he'd be out of town.

What do you make of that whole thing. At first I didn't really get it and still don't know if I do.
Sounds nutty to predict an incident by reverse slippage or something.....

But what was impressive was rummy's :

National Press Club, Wash. D.C.
On The Differences between WWII and now.

"YOU ALL ARE SLAVES"

but we here on AW are already onto that.

Cybear,
Congrats on the job, that is just wonderful!
Pallas, When did Rumsfeld say that at the Nat Press Club? Recent? I have been outside more with the warmer weather.
bobbipins,
The dishwasher in our local restaurant here is a 50's something GENTLEman who reads eastern philosophy and Arundati Roy. I did the Senior Citizens Retraining with him last summer His SRJ is with the local non-profit animal shelter. The restaurant is run by a woman in her 50's, who's had a tough road. Her hair salon/new age products/ video rental store didn't do well, she last the building to the bank. Then their house burned down. Having always supplimented as a waitress, she was in a bargining position, to run the local restaurant, when the former manager ran off with the liquor liscense. The owner charges her exorbitant rent being one of those hard nosed carved from granite, Native Mainers, ( like a dairy farmer that would inflict lash wounds on a child!) ( BUT there are NO dairy farms left here now!)
Had to get a tow with car trouble 2 years ago. The tow truck driver had grown up on a dairy farm. His Father lost the farm in the late 80's and killed himself 6 months later.......................

I survived the 90's by doing those jobs Americans aren't supposed to want to do! Hostess at a NJ diner, delivered Domino's Pizza. ( Yes 1st hand I can tell you that owner is a nasty piece of work with his little Fla. town.) I was made to wear the mesh logo cap in the dead of winter, along the windy Deleware River.
When I got the flue my hours ( $4.50 per) were cut back for a few weeks. Same thing happened to another mature woman who worked there, the manager was an 18 year old male!!!!!
Then there was the emotionally abusive ( rich black sheep, playboy son, Kinko's manager.) I had a lawyer offer a free court case, only paying the court fees.........push came to a shove.....unemploymnent didn't come through for 3 months, which I lived on the security deposit return from my NJ apt., and I couldn' t afford to travel to NJ to go to court.
Went back to college as a JR inGraphic Design, with a bunch of young spoiled rich kids, & an immature male teacher (Yale Grad!) Rather than respect me for running a successful art business, while raising 2 kids as a single Mother, they dissed me, misperceived me as old fashioned ( funny I am still anticipating design trends at least 2 years in advance!)
WOund up the decade with a $6.00 per hr bartending job, tips to me 10% from the greedy clickish 30 someething waitstaff!. I had 20 - 25 hours a week! An apt. a house with property taxes, and sort of as part time job designing Tshirts, where the younger woman was awarded the full time dept head job even tho she hadn't ever used a MAc,;. & I had to teach her how!
Because I earned $11,000. in 1998, but didn't have the $500. to pay it, after a decade of earning $5,000. That's right; I have lived on that amount evbery year since 1990, except 1994, ( $10,000 )& 1998.
In 2004 RIGHT AFTER THE ELECTION..the IRS came after me and levied my $400. state property tax rebate!
That's correct......an average income of $50,000 for an entire decade, & THEY TAKE from me! Battling to hold on to my home for the Grandchildren!
That's pluto in scorpio conjunct the NN, oppose sun uranus, conjunct moon; wrapped up by 2nd saturn return! The worst of it was feeling like a failure! The pain of under achieving!
Now I see; THE WORLD CHANGED ( NOT ON 9/11) BUT ON JAN. 20 1981!!!!!
One more.............when I was teaching the Mexican immigrants art lessons.....the 18 year old woman came into the house for the first lesson. looked around, and said in wonder" You live here all alone?" Her family lives 10 to a trailor!!! BUT her brothers came into the library to fax papers re: the $24,000 t5ruck they ewere buying................... The next day the younger ones teacher called me..she was looking for funding so the younger brother could STAY IN college! $24,000 would get you 2 years of college here! at the State university!
I have at least 5 friends including me who would be thrown in jail under the Sennsenburner bill, for aiding!
It's like a mirrored ball above a dance floor isn't it?
PQ
PS The Kingfisher is back on his branch over the stream!

Neobuckeye, for what it's worth, I have a friend here who's from Beaumont TX(& has relatives all over TX) and she told me yesterday that everyone in Houston thinks they're gonna get hit. Not sure why that is, but she's not one to exaggerate.

Oh, and congrats, brother Cybear!!!! Good for you. Namaste all!!!

* Traffic chaos, schools closed as million strike over pensions

Schools were closed in Scotland, the North of England, Wales & Northern Ireland today & motorists faced disruption as more than a million local authority workers launched industrial action in a long-running row over pensions.

The 24-hr stoppage closed 100s of schools, libraries & leisure centres & disrupted refuse collection, street cleaning & the running of courts. In some places, burials were cancelled.

The workers are protesting against a decision to overturn a formula - the rule of 85 - under which long-serving staff are able to retire at 60. Many of their public sector counterparts in the civil service, teaching & the NHS staff retained the right to early retirement after the govt backed down over reforms proposed last year.

The 11 unions involved had predicted that 1.5 million council employees wld join the action, making it the biggest natl stoppage since the General Strike of 1926. It was not yet clear how many had joined in, altho the strike's effects were greater in the North of England, where more staff are unionised. ... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2107059,00.html

Saw a documentary on the difficulties that Denmark is suffering due to the immigration of midle easterners to their country.
And yes the Mexicans have been pprotesting in their own country too. Remember the Farmers strike oin Mexico City? Was that last year? They saved the former M C Mayor from going to jail, & I bet ou monhey he wiill be elected to replace Fox next year. ( This summer is it? 2006)
PQ

Andy Card has resigned to be replaced by Josh Bolton. Bush announced it at approx. 8:30am EST in DC

Pluto = Shiva. Shiva is non-duality and duality simultaneously. The male energy is still, called 'ham' the source. The female energy which come out of the male, e.g Adam's rib, the shakti that arises out of Shiva's left side, awakens the unmanifested energy and causes manifestation, called 'sah' the power. This is from the philosophy of Kamshmir Shavism or Tantric yoga, a goddess worshipping philosophy way more ancient than Hinduism. The two together are called the 'krom' or the nail to hinge the unmanifest to the manifest. I believe the metaphor of Jesus nailed to a cross was about this. Father ham, Holy Spirit sah and God in human body is krom. We are all this. Bow to your Self.

Pluto = Shiva. Shiva is non-duality and duality simultaneously. The male energy is still, called 'ham' the source. The female energy which come out of the male, e.g Adam's rib, the shakti that arises out of Shiva's left side, awakens the unmanifested energy and causes manifestation, called 'sah' the power. This is from the philosophy of Kamshmir Shavism or Tantric yoga, a goddess worshipping philosophy way more ancient than Hinduism. The two together are called the 'krom' or the nail to hinge the unmanifest to the manifest. I believe the metaphor of Jesus nailed to a cross was about this. Father ham, Holy Spirit sah and God in human body is krom. We are all this. Bow to your Self.

March 28 | Linking the Issues

I RECEIVED an email from one of those Planet Waves readers who is a news hawk yesterday. We have a few of them and it's a lot of fun to know they are out there, scouring the issues & putting together the mosaic of reality.

She was annoyed that last w/e's protests were over a proposed immigration law that is likely to fail anyway. She felt it wld have been nice if that energy had been vented in the direction of something more important, like the war; I get the point.

Personally when I saw news about the protest being over immigration, I thot wow that's pretty cool, this is a pretty subtle issue. People are standing up for the rights of others to be in the US--to keep it an open society. I immediately made the connection between this & Iraq. I see the war as part of a larger ethnic issue involving Muslims. This goes back a long way, but when I first heard "pro war" Americans referring to Muslims by derogatory names during bush War I, that's when I got the msg that something else was going on. If it was really true that Saddam was a threat to the legitimate feudal monarchy of Kuwait, why wld we need to also stir up anger at individual people who live in those countries? Well, the answer is, it works to keep that violent spirit going.

The proposed immigration law protested last w/e may, in theory, be aimed at Mexicans, but you can be sure it's really aimed at Muslims. It's always good to keep your eye on the large & larger agendas that are in play. I say this realizing that there are a lot of people out there who really do believe that 'Muslim' & 'terrorist' are synonyms. So, I see the link behind the scenes, even tho it's not being mentioned. But what I really saw in that photo on the cover were a lot of people. And for whatever reason they were there, I assure you that's what they were seeing in the WH as well. A lot of people is a lot of people. The issue does not matter because the issue can always change. And in this particular case, as I see it, the issue is very germane to one of the larger issues of the Iraq war, which is racism.

It takes time for movements to learn how to link the issues themselves. It's beautiful when it happens because so much more energy & sense of common ground are created. So many more people are included. And in truth there really is just one issue, which is social justice.

The war in Iraq is the master issue. It is for the Big Boys, too--because with that as the drum to pound on, all manner of other injustices can be pumped up & made into necessities--like how to cut the budget, how to saddle the country with debt so that no money goes back to the people, how to keep the banks rich, & the arms dealers, & everyone else for whom natl debt is personal profit. - Eric Francis

Interesting thoughts from Eric Francis. I thought it was interesting that there were no free speech zones being enforced on the protests and there appeared to be a real lack of police in riot gear, both of which have dogged the American citizens since 2000. Heck even grandmas have been treated like agents of Che Guevara by the governments. In this case, it was like an old fashioned protest. This continues to be a most pertinent issue to me.

I thot same, Pat... there are a number of oddnesses about the demo imo with your notes being primary.

Pat C. interesting observation. The magnitude of the protest and the speed with which it was organized is most amazing . . . and a little fishy

It had that odd regularly tiresome scripted feel that's so characteristic of a bushaholic/rovian political "video". And the noos tauted the large numbers of demonstrators with aerial photos whereas, in organic demos, noos always suppresses the numbers.

Thank you so much bhakti and tseka. Krom is such a wonderful word. Just the sound fits perfectly into the Celtic, Norse, and Hindu, and probably in more that I am yet to discover. All is joined so clearly, at least for me as I age, and the wrappers are peeled off, one by one. As tseka said, the wisdom communicated (s) across time/space and wisdom had (s) no boundry.

A trojan horse comes to mind. Question might be: "why?"

Joanna and annon, yes it was odd. So orchastrated, and free to be.

Mebbe the demo was more for congressional consumption than the pop at large. Mebbe the pluties want to now "peel off" the religiose whackjobs.

Thank you, JoannaOregon for your post that gives us the fog lights and miner's lamps that we need right now. I honestly had not realized that there were no "free speech" cages, and none of the police/military force that we saw at the conventions.
I have been shocked over and over by the television news commentators talk of culture wars and the talk around the office, at the bus stop of how these people are just different than us.
At any rate thank you so much for something to really pay attention to and for a new line of thought.

I guess "they" wanted it to be, so it was.

Way cool, Cybear! Just way, way cool.

Yes, very odd, very fishy. This is what i was trying to say yesterday. Out of nowhere, the biggest protest in US history. Guessing that the marchers were mostly illegals but they were permitted to parade with impunity while war protesters are taken to jail. There is just something else going on here that isnt apparent . . . yet. and i still dont get Sensenbrenner from Wisconsin being the lead guy on this crack down. His state is hardly in the throes of an immigration crises. BUT then he IS inner circle.

Just because BushCO didn't call the dogs out on the protestors, doesn't mean the protestors weren't real people, with a real grievance... Rove is capable of lots of things, but dragging people out 500,000 in LA alone to demonstrate?

Of course there was no obstacle to the protests... how can you have a wedge issue if you thwart it?

Stirring up the "natives" --- that's the game here... exploiting the already existing racism... that's the tool...

from Steve Soto at The Left Coaster:

"... Basically, the choices facing the Congress on immigration, aside from the politics associated with each one, are these:

1. Do nothing, as Paul Krugman wants, so that it won’t be made worse;

2. Support a balanced approach between strengthening border security and employer sanctions, and implementing an earned citizenship program, as the McCain-Kennedy approach would do;

3. Do as Bush wants, which is to strengthen border security and implement a guest worker program, which is a new GOP form of indentured servitude but which still pisses off his conservative base; and

4. Put your efforts primarily into border security, deportation, and letting employers off the hook, as Bill Frist, James Sensenbrenner, and Tom Tancredo would do.

Because Bush waited until this late in his presidency to roll out any energy on immigration, hoping in a typically Rovian way to capitalize on the issue as a 2006 election motivator for the base, he has also ensured that he will lose control of the matter pretty quickly while watching the issue split his party. A president with approval ratings in the 30’s cannot scare his own party on a domestic issue, and with a flurry of GOP hacks seeing a chance to demagogue this issue for 2008 political gain, Bush has no standing to tell his wing nuts like Tancredo and Frist to rein it in, and Tancredo has already said in essence forget it. Besides, McCain is not likely to back down on an issue that can gain him chits with moderates and even liberals. Furthermore, McCain-Kennedy will garner the support of 44 Senate Democrats and even some GOP moderates, forcing a floor vote upon Bill Frist that he would feel compelled to sabotage, to his detriment and that of the GOP this fall. Harry Reid, to his credit, has threatened to filibuster any harsh alternative put forward by Frist that would scuttle McCain-Kennedy."

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/007209.php

more from Soto:

But the other interesting dynamic is the problem that Rove has created for himself with Hispanics and the Catholic Church. Rove has blundered his way into energizing both against any GOP effort to criminalize immigrants, as the enormous demonstration this weekend in Los Angeles showed. After working for years to politicize both, especially the Church as an extension of the RNC with much success, Rove is about to see it all come undone as the bishops oppose any measure from the GOP that oppresses or criminalizes immigrants, which is exactly the direction Bush has allowed the GOP to head by waiting this late to act. In fact, after swallowing their opposition to the Iraq war upon orders from the Vatican and endorsing the GOP in 2004 anyway, it is unlikely that the American bishops will sell out immigrants in 2006 just to help the White House, and such a split will show up this fall if with both Hispanics and Catholic voters if Democrats play this the right way. Democrats can offer themselves as the party that can produce a balanced immigration reform package next year that is modeled on McCain-Kennedy if they are given control of Congress this November.

Update: Specter's committee just took its first action to give the finger to conservatives in both houses when it adopted an amendment by Dick Durbin to remove from the House bill a provision that made criminals out of church and volunteer groups for assisting immigrants. This will set off the wing nuts in the Senate like John Cornyn, so the fireworks are underway.

Update #2: Specter got a bill out of his committee today that Kennedy and the rest of the Democrats, along with Lindsey Graham, Sam Brownback, and Mike DeWine supported, which has a guest worker provision for future immigrants that will allow them a chance for future citizenship. This will be too much for conservatives, but Democrats are able to get this to the floor now. All eyes turn to Frist now to see if he will blow this up. Specter made a last-minute attempt for a grand compromise today that would please more Republicans, but was rebuffed because the proposal wasn't vetted with Senators in advance, and appeared to conservatives like amnesty for those already here illegally. However, after Dianne Feinstein flamed Frist today for imposing a Tuesday deadline on something that the GOP has let slide for months and years, Specter surprised some by directing that Feinstein's slap at Frist be sent to the Majority Leader with Specter's support.

NEO, Garry, I wouldn't believe too much about Houston being the site of a nuclear bomb for these reasons.

1. Poppy, Mommy and a lot of the B clan live here.
2. Hitting the ship channel and refineries here would absolutely shut this country down due to the lose of many gasoline refineries.
3. The Tx medical center takes care of many world leaders including Arabs from the UAE and ex pres and politicians.
4. Halliburton and KBR.
5. Numerous ties to DC in this city. It is the energy capital of the world.
6. There is a lot of psyops going om right now.
7. Way too many wealthy, wealthy Arabs here...i.e. Saudi Aramco.

Also, that story is basically the scenerio for a terrorist/attack/emergency training event that took place at Ellington Field last summer....Just down the road from Tx City.

Possibility of an attack, yes....Nuclear bomb...I don't think they would be that stupid.

L.A. yes, Houston...no.

And mebbe, too, it has something to do with bushadruggie trying to reduce the tremendous pressures Mexico's Fox must be feeling as head of his little enclave of greedy ruling Castilian "white" supremacists... with the new democratic govts growing to the south of him, such as Chavez & Morales.

Great posts imo, everybody! Plenty to chew upon...

Poll: Will one less card in the deck help Smirky's ratings?
http://www.cnn.com/

You have to scroll down a bit; it's on your right.

And, yeah, I took a few liberties with the actual question.

Yes indeed Shy, it's "on the right"! And I love your play on words!!!

Joanna, seesta --- your Libra shines!

Election year=Rovian style manipulation=wedge issue=immigration bashing=Rove wins.

Whatever you believe be careful when your leaders insert the latest scapegoat.

Wasn;t this Josh Bolten involved also with the
Plame affair ?

And wasn't he one of Cheney's inner circle?

there are so many corrupted there, it's hard to keep track. Anyway what history do we know on this Bolten besides their release for public consumption??

"Bolten is widely experienced in Washington, both on Capitol Hill as well as at the White House, where he was deputy chief of staff before becoming director of the Office of Management and Budget."

Over one million in Northern British Isles demonstrating, pulling a strike closing businesses down because the govt is trying to change/take away their pensions.

Paris has 100's of thousands in the streets for similar job related reasons - removing security related to jobs.

Only Americans sit on their duffs and allow it to happen to them.

When Republicans set up this radioactive ingredients story (Government Accountability Office, the watchdog arm of Congress) do we suspect a set up? Heck yes! 1.) to keep us in a state of constant fear, and 2.) to set up a dirty bomb attack and still look like they were on the ball.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-03-27-ports-security_x.htm

GAO: Paperwork fooled border patrol
By Mimi Hall, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — Undercover investigators bought radioactive ingredients needed to make a dirty bomb and drove them into the USA past border security agents, a government report said Monday.
The report by the Government Accountability Office, the watchdog arm of Congress, said that investigators put radioactive material in the trunks of cars and drove to Canadian and Mexican border checkpoints on Dec. 14, 2005. When Homeland Security radiation detectors went off, the investigators gave Customs and Border Protection agents fake government licenses and receipts.

more...

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Caspar Weinberger, U.S defense secretary under President Ronald Reagan, died on Tuesday at age 88, his family said.

My mother and i were discussing the issue of how did so many organize for the recent protests and noted the lack of usual "security" - kinda "fishy", ja we thought so too. She just called and told me she had listened to an interview with a Spanish radio DJ who claims to have started all of this- He says he had no idea i would snowball, many of his colleagues picked up the theme and began a steady broadcast on spanih radio stations accross country. Sounds plausible.

Read that Chavez's family once owned a substantial piece of land and were quite prosperous, but the Anglos who ran the county hiked up the property taxes to the point where Chavez's grandfather (great-grandfather?) lost the land and the family was poor after that.

The Chavez land was derived from a Spanish land grant. Of course, the King of Spain had no moral right to give away land used by the native Americans, but there you are. Also the Spanish settlers seemed more apt to intermarry with native Americans so often there might be both a Spanish and a pre-Spanish ownership claim.

There are a lot of twists and turns in the American immigrant story.

The most important symbol from the last half of the 20th Century is the photograph of earth from space. One little ball, and a Martian couldn't tell a dime's bit of difference between any of us homo "sapiens" on it.

The corporations are ready to make serfs of us all. Playing us against each other like the poor whites were kept down by playing up racism.

Pat C, thanks so much for posting that quote of Howard Dean's saying that we need to uphold US workers' rights and tie our trade policies to workers' rights in other countries. How true! I had forgotten than Dean said that. He is such a reasonable fair man.

Here's something else to chew on....was Moussaoui wearing a "stun belt" during his most recent appearance in court?

http://www.total411.info/

Congratulations Cybear. Really am so glad for you. Great news about your new job.

No I'm not offended. Heard the same kind of rhetoric when I protested the war in Iraq before it started. Did'nt faze me then and doesn't bother me now.

By the way I'm not rich - far from it. Never have been and doubt I ever will be. I'm also unemployed and struggling to make ends meet just like you were. Hopefully things will break for me soon.

Do go see this, all:
http://wewillnotbesilenced.cf.huffingtonpost.com/

Pat C and Joanna, I agree ... no police at the "immigration protests" ... very fishy. Just try to have an anti-war protest in this country and you'll be hauled off so fast your head will spin. The "powers that be" are busy trying to erode "citizenship" in this country. Changing the way people immigrate here is important because it will hasten the erosion of labor rights (what little we have) for Americans. We'll all be part of the slave regime that Rumsfeld referred to in the link Neobuckeye posted (which was fascinating!).

Cybear - congrats on your new job! Wish you much success!!!

Whooooo, Pat QOP! From your state, the land of my father's fathers and mothers: No GMO!!

Cool beans (in more ways than one).

http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2006/03/27/waldo_county_town_votes_to_ban_gmos/

If our government doesn't follow the law of the land and people here from other countries don't follow the law of the land, what kind of message does that send to the criminal minds and yahoos of this country? It could lead to all out anarchy and then Jr and his boys instate Martial Law when all hell breaks loose. We are on a razors edge and which way will we fall. Some sort of order or Chaos?

Having worked big rock festivals and shows I have seen first hand how close things can spin out of control, and believe me they can and it's really ugly. If people were to realize that, we are in deep dookie. Fortunately the mob mentality of this country has not figured this out yet.

Awake America

America Awake

The serpent’s in your garden

And Hannibal at your gate

Glory, greed, and gluttony

The war of sins play on

Master, martyr, emperor

So sate you on your young

© Jill Stone

From recent statistics I have heard on NPR about employment figures, it is the middle class WHITE male that is having the most difficulty finding a job, any job.

Cybear, Is that where you are? I don't know if you are in that class, but I am still sending my good wishes to you.

Congratulations Cybear!

Pat Sharp,

What a interesting note you left for us. You could certainly relate to pizza delivery driver's excessive job demands when I wrote about it a few weeks back! He's so Christian though...... whose actions speak louder than words.

Re: Minnesota, they are feeling the squeeze from Asian immigrants known as the Ming and they are not necessarily being welcomed with open arms by the locals. Recalled from a NPR report from a couple months back.

It sounds to me like Moussaoui is trying to hasten his own demise with his recent testimony.
Could it be he thinks paradise better than the rest of his life in prison?

I think he is making it all up or would have made the revelations prior to now. Perhaps a lie dector would summons the truth.

I think he has been reading too many newspapers.

Beverly, yep, I fit those demographics and add my age into it and it was rough. I went in and took the drug test yesterday and they are doing the backround checks so I will probably start next Monday. I figure by tomorrow they have all of results back and I will be signing the paperwork either then or Thursday. I was laid off March 31, '04. And exactly 2 years later...trips me out.

I hope you are doing better. Hang in there, something better is heading your way.

Posted Tuesday, Nov. 6, 2001, at 6:14 PM ET

How do you tell the difference between Bush administration officials Josh Bolten and John Bolton? Both worked in the Reagan administration, both worked for Bush's dad, and both worked on Bush's legal team during the Florida recount before landing jobs with the administration. And their names sound alike. But the similarities end there:

Josh Bolten is the White House's deputy chief of staff for policy. That makes him the president's chief domestic policy adviser, and since Sept. 11 he has headed the White House's new "domestic consequences group" that has developed post-attack legislation such as the airline bailout and the stimulus package. The New Republic's Ryan Lizza calls him "increasingly powerful" and "the anonymous fourth man in the inner circle of Bush's staff" (after Andy Card, Karl Rove, and Karen Hughes). U.S. News says he has emerged after the terrorist attacks as Bush's "chief economic architect," and the Washington Post says Bolten "has a quiet hand in all domestic policy and international economic policy."

During the 2000 campaign, Bolten was Bush's policy director, and during the Florida recount he was a top lieutenant to James Baker.

http://www.slate.com/id/2058294/

The GM ban will spread across the state fairly quickly I bet! Jean Hay Bright was an organic farmer down in Brooksville, now is running to unseat Snowe for Senate! Hope she wins the primary!
Maine Organic Farmers and Gardeners Organization
http://www.mofga.org/
PQ

TPM

(March 28, 2006 -- 05:47 PM EST // link)

There will be a lot more to say when all the dust settles. But one very happy result of the just-concluding Israeli election is the body blow it has dealt to the Likud. According to this Reuters report, Likud looks set to win a mere 12 seats in the next Knesset. Kadima, the new party Sharon founded just before his stroke, will probably get 30 or just over and Labor will get between 20 to 22.

It's not that the right has collapsed. Some of this is just a matter of reshuffling. Yisrael Beiteinu, a right-wing immigrant party will likely get 12-13 seats too. Still though, for a party that's dominated Israeli politics since the mid-1970s, it's a devastating result.

With Netanyahu now at the helm of this broken party, well ... it really couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

The Haaretz headline sums it up: Center-Left 62-66 seats, Right 48-51.

-- Josh Marshall http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/008025.php

Everyone, a suggestion about why there was no police presence: these demonstrations were unexpected. Anti-war demonstrations, with posters and all, are conducted in English, organized in white middle-class neighborhoods, and broadcast on majority radio stations and their internet sites.

How many police that are not of Hispanic descent speak Spanish? And even fewer read it, so even if there were flyers, they still would have had no clue something so significant was about to take place. The call was broadcast over Spanish radio. How many people not Hispanic listen to Spanish radio?. And how many even listen to any minority radio or media at all? Still fewer. Not only that, but the protests seem to be decentralized, with no leader standing out among the crowd, making it even harder to target. And Hispanics have not traditionally marched, so there was no anticipation that they would do anything like this at all.

As for a realistic solution, nothing seems to be workable right now.

The reason why no solution seems to work is that it would take something that no Republican administration wants to do:

1) Renounce the foreign policy regarding Latin America that upholds the privileges of a few by squashing any popular reformer (Chavez, Castro, whatever) who emerges and decides to do something about the vast poor.

2) Enter into serious policy negotiations with these countries as equals regarding these immigration issues.

3) Reform our outdated immigration system which has legal immigrants waiting for years for a decision on immigration and spending thousands on lawyers and paperwork, all the while subjected to arbitrary legal decisions based on nothing. And adequately fund things so that decisions can be made readily.

4) Toss the racists now leading the anti-immigration charge. Democracy resides in more hearts other whan white ones: African-Americans and Native Americans cherish America just as much as whites, and brown ones do too. We'll do just fine as a multicultural nation with common ideals. And having a mixed nation already more mixed is hardly a disaster of any kind. Indeed, with a lot of aging boomers, younger immigrants and their children will be needed to do jobs that others will no longer be able to do.

w w w . h a a r e t z . c o m

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Last update - 21:59 27/03/2006
On life and death
By Ari Shavit

Haim Ramon called. He really didn't like the op-ed in which I severely criticized the Olmert plan. He was surprised - he thought we were on the same wavelength. He thought I understood that Yossi Beilin and Benjamin Netanyahu were wrong. And, of course, he didn't agree with a single word in the piece. But perhaps it would be right to hold a serious debate on the pages of Haaretz. Perhaps it would be right to present each arguments, ahead of the elections, to the voting readers.

We sat across the table from each other and roared at the tops of our lungs. It's a pleasure to quarrel with Ramon. He's quick and sharp and driven by instinct. Neither refined, nor always methodical, he has a wild cat's feel for reality. The man who formulated the concept of the big fence and predicted the big bang now wholly believes in the big disengagement. He has no doubt that he is right - not even the slightest shadow of a doubt.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=699317

Cybear, I am happy for you, too. Tell us more about your job when you feel like sharing.

Happy Trails!

Pat C, to add to Bhakti's excellent post describing Shakti/shiva energy.

The Nordic aspect is:
Hel=complete (healed). Her halves are ellen the light "feminine" left side and tomma the "masculine" empty void all potential. The light activates the potential as it passes through the dark. Both energies have their own day; 21 September namnsdag Ellen, 21 December namnsdag Thomas.

Tommorow Mars at 22 Gemini makes its natal return in the US chart (and on an eclipse too!)

Astroglogically this may all be worth watching as Both asteroids ellen and thomas have been encircling Mars. Ellen went retro with mars at nearly exact same moment then thomas turned back and joined them. When mars turned direct so did ellen...they have been moving at the same speed for months. Mars just passed over her. It is almost like watching "ellen of the way" as she carries the soul who is ready on the path of hel.

Mars now standing on its return at 22 Gemini begins a new cycle, could it be an end or change to military power in the US perhaps? What lessons was Mars learning as he went backwards into taurus between ellen and thomas the two halves of the complete? New comcept of warrior and power? It's tantalizing to comtemplate.
19 May is a great powergate Eldri, perhaps there will be clues then.
Like you Joanna i am awed by the power of the henges and the namnsdag, little fragments remaing but perhaps enough if we observe well.

Ellen is my middle name, Tseka. I've always read that it's linked to Helen, Helene, Elaine, Elena, etc., and means Light. Your explanation of it as it relates to the Norse culture is so fascinating. I have to say that I don't always follow these descriptions of Hel, but it is very beautiful anyway, and you seem to just have such a feel for it all, as evidenced in your art.

Does anyone see anything happening that can be connected to tomorrow's eclipse?

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/article354063.ece

Research backs theory that vitamin C shrinks tumours

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/article354063.ece

Research backs theory that vitamin C shrinks tumours

By Jeremy Laurance, Health Editor
Published: 28 March 2006

New research suggesting that vitamin C can be effective in curing cancer will renew interest in the "alternative" treatment for the terminal disease.

Three cancer patients who were given large intravenous doses over a period of several months had their lives extended and their tumours shrunk, doctors reported yesterday.

A 49-year-old man diagnosed with terminal bladder cancer in 1996 was still alive and cancer-free nine years later, having declined chemotherapy and radiotherapy in favour of regular infusions of vitamin C.

A 66-year-old woman with an aggressive lymphoma who had a "dismal prognosis" in 1995 was similarly treated and is still alive 10 years later. A 51-year-old woman with kidney cancer that spread to her lungs diagnosed in 1995 had a normal chest X-ray two years later. The findings were confirmed by pathologists. Although they do not prove the vitamin cured the cancer they do increase the "clinical plausibility" of the idea, the researchers say.

Vitamin C therapy was first promoted by Linus Pauling, the Nobel prize winner, 30 years ago. Dr Pauling's claims sparked the continuing boom in sales of vitamin C, but attempts to confirm his findings failed and high-dose vitamin C became an "alternative" therapy.

The latest study, published in the Canadian Association's Medical Journal, could trigger renewed interest in Dr Pauling's claims. Studies show that vitamin C is toxic to some cancer cells but not to normal cells. The problem has been delivering a high enough dose.

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And speaking of soulsong, my friend is a student of Dr./Master Sha, a Chinese M.D. who teaches and does healing. He has a whole program going on involving many people. Some of his work is done for free and some at somewhat expensive costs. He apparently has evoked miracles. One of his concepts is that everything has its own soul, each organ, each piece of creation. He teaches soul songs which are simple little chants that are healing. He calls his "operations" soul transplants and brain transplants (etheric) and talks about liquid snow ball spring healings and other similar artistic Chinese images. Very potent stuff. He also teaches movement and walking chants. The idea is that one must practice each day. I do not participate but he seems to have helped many ill people. My friend's 93 y.o mother has benefited from it. The mention of soul song just reminded me. Maybe some of you have heard of him and his group. I am sure it is growning and it is interesting because it relates to new age practices and chinese healing.

tseka, I like to think that a new concept of warrior and power, a shift of enlightenment is in the offing, and at least those people who can effect change will feel it. I still remember the phrase "soulsong" and feel that word, whether it be challenging or a glide through the mists of time.

Healing is all that matters to me, healing for the whole. I will meditate on that during this eclipse, and know that I am heard.

Thank you for the lovely explaination.

Nancy has a new article up on the eclipses over on Starlight News.

Oh my gosh Sharon. I was typing and being kissed by my cat while you were posting your thoughts. I hit post and there you were with some of the same words. How nifty!

Carol,

If the police and the FBI don't monitor radio stations, and none of them speak Spanish, as you propose...this country is in very big trouble.

There are many cops who not only speak Spanish but are Latino especially in the Southwestern states,(and Florida) as well as news broadcasters who are bi lingual.

The mayor of Los Angeles is a Latino.
They knew.
It was and is hands off.
It's part of the plan to drive down wages - the goal of the WTO and G 8.

Did you see the signs " We're reclaiming the land stolen from us" ?

Interesting that Vicente Fox makes sure his southern borders are closed to other hispanics-and they're treated very roughly if they enter illegally, but he wants his Nothern border to the US wide open. Why? Heard a Latino author today on radio who explained the illegal immigrants to the US send back to Mexico 17 Billion US dollars to Fox's economy.

The question is, why is Bush cooperating with him?

And why is he destroying this country?

I've called him a lot of things, but never before this a treasonous bastard.

That's what it looks like to me.
in those areas,

Pallas, one world government. Corporate hegemony.

Here comes the "AHA -So that's why"

"Fitzgerald Will Seek New White House Indictments
By Jason Leopold
t r u t h o u t | Report
Tuesday 28 March 2006

Makes you wonder if Andy Card "resigned" to allow
"new blood" in the WH after all, doesn't it?

Pallas, I posted a link with some very interesting stuff in the "Comments" of the latest article.

Sharon, a friend of mine is the lighting director for one of the smaller audio visual companies here and he got me an interview for a position they could not fill internally. They have offices in various hotels here in town. Anyway, my position is Director of Audio Visual Services at one of the glitziest hotels here in Houston. The hotel has about 12K sq ft of meeting space and usually deals with high end clients on a smaller scale. My position will be to help bring in clients for these meetings and help them with their A/V and computer requirements. I had my last interview Friday with the hotel GM last Friday and he thought I would be a good fit. Got really good vibes from him and the staff. Very friendly, calm and down to earth. Most people I have met in those types of hotels are usually plastic and up tight. Not so here. Also, everyone I have known to do shows there say it is one of the coolest places to work. It's known as celebrity central. I think it's going to be a lot of fun working there.

Pallas, yes some are. And the corporations that hire illegals do benefit from the illegal status. But what's happening now is more like racism than a serious discussion about immigrants. Hispanics are profiled and harassed like black Americans even if they, like African-Americans, have been here for decades.

It's easy to blame Fox. But U.S. policy in Latin America has been to uphold the oligarchies, racial and economic, that hoard all of the wealth while denying millions a chance to move up in the world. Think El Salvador, Haiti, Chile, et cetera. And the current dust-up with Venezuela. Barring migrants to Mexico is keeping even poorer immigrants from coming here-as a favor to U.S, not to Mexico. Most of those folks wouldn't stay too long in Mexico anyway, with the repression and poverty, but eventually make their way to the U.S. border too. And the United States does not want too many native Americans to know someone from Guatemala and El Salvador and points south who aren't ruling class citizens. These people just might give Americans the truth about those atrocities and give an eventual voting block against U.S. intervention in Latin America.

Carol,

Americans are not stupid. At least not the ones on the internet. It is well known what Reagan, Bush 1, the CIA, Negroponte and the killing squads did in Latin America. They wouldn't be telling us anything new.

My last word on the subject is what you call immigrants are ILLEGAL immigrants and hurting this economy. The bulldoody that they are doing jobs that Americans dont want to do is just that - bull.

I know American landscapers. I know American roofers. And they're not working so much, because
Mexican, Guatemalan, and Honduran non english speaking ILLEGALS are up on roofs doing the jobs for less than half what it costs the American to do. And I know that from first had experience being in Florida and everyone in this community having roof damage.

Where the American roofer comes with 2 or 3 fellows, the companies that hired the ILLEGALS comes with 8 Spanish speaking only people, and sometimes Portuguese speaking only. Gee, I wonder how that American company can afford to pay 8 people to do a roof?

Spector is a bushman in phony facade.

The employers should be fined heavily - then they might hire LEGAL immigrants or Americans but he scuttled that. The fine will be no more than a parking ticket.

Since you want to talk about racism, ah a favorite cry when nothing else is working, those ILLEGALS are taking jobs away from American black people who are born in America - leaving them once again at the bottom of the totem pole.

I've helped several illegals. One family I helped is paying a rent I couldn't afford, gets free health care, while I have none because I can't afford it, and is able to feed a family with five children - with help from the state - which I can;t get .

I have empathy for the individuals, but for an overall view - they're hurting this country, the economy, and the American citizen working man, who doesn't dare ask for a raise for fear he'llbe replaced by an illegal who will work for a 1/4 of his salary. Think about it.

Discussion finished.

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Just watched the solar eclipse on NasaTv live streaming (broadcast from Turkey), it was stunning. I find eclipses to be so spiritual and since my experience of seeing a total eclipse during a third eye opening, that moment of totality transfixes me in such a sacred way.

During this eclipse 3 sun spots were visible and then a unique sighting of a stream of red rays undulating outwards from the lower left view. The hosts said they haven't seen that before and seemed quite excited about it.

Here's to an interesting day, and see what of the Great Mystery unfolds for us today in these fascinating times.

Actuallly, Pallas... the discussion probably won't be finished for a long time. Money is pouring out of the US towards its illegal occupation of, at the very least, Aftghanistan & Iraq... at the same time, money is pouring out of the US into Fox's Mexico thru the illegals that are occupying here. It's an abusive cycle of violence with the pluties/olies making out like bandits. Ohps. They ARE bandits.

Anyhow, our old rules n' regs of functioning is probably over & will force "us" to find creative new ways to function... ones, which we have already! that don't require the tiresome old-time victimization of The Other. The Other is Us... literally... whether we enjoy it or not. There is one world & Gaia flows underneath fences & walls as if they don't exist except in the mentations of men's minds. ;O)

Hear, hear Joanna...