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Bush's Dream

Like the crumbling power of the failing king in a Greek tragedy, the credibility of the Bush regime is deteriorating by the day along with its poll numbers. And also much like in a Greek tragedy, there is a fatal flaw in the main character of this story that is the cause of his demise. George W. Bush is unable to deal with reality; he neither perceives it clearly nor is he able to act rationally and expeditiously upon relevant information. Instead, he dwells in a delusional world in which he is the hero in a great unfolding drama, imagining that he brings democracy and freedom to the suffering masses of the planet and compassionate conservatism to the hungry at home. When caught in the contradiction between his world and the facts on the ground, he clings to his superhero myth, claims complete innocence over any misdeeds, and blames others for their incompetence or deception. Some people call this lying.


In 2001, while the Boy King was dwelling in this glorified presidential fantasy, he ignored warnings about the dire terrorist threat that eventually came on 9/11. At the time, he had been unable to even let the concept of terrorism interrupt his preconceived notion that only rogue regimes such as Saddam Hussein in Iraq posed a danger, one Dubya had been long planning to heroically destroy. When disaster hit at the Twin Towers and the Pentagon, he blamed the CIA and the FBI for failing to connect the dots.

In 2002 and 2003, while he nurtured his metastasizing fantasy of eradicating evil in the world, largely personified in his mind by Saddam Hussein, he ignored those who claimed there were no weapons of mass destruction and no real threat posed by that regime, and he ignored all warnings about unleashing a civil war and creating more terrorism by invading Iraq and destabilizing the Middle East. When the cakewalk turned into a nightmare, he blamed “the bad intelligence.”

In 2005, we now know, he was told in no uncertain terms before Katrina hit of the likely calamity that could be caused by this massive storm, but it did not penetrate into a mind obsessed with terrorism and with the valorous accomplishments he aspired to in the Middle East. He was unable to act with dispatch, and the bold leadership he likes to claim for himself was nowhere to be seen. Instead, he blamed the local officials and, eventually, “Brownie.” Despite warnings, he simply didn’t see it coming. After all, who could have anticipated the breach of the levees?

In each case, stories and evidence emerged belatedly that proved essentially that “Bush knew.” We have seen the quote from the infamous Presidential Daily Briefing of August 2001 and heard the testimony of former White House terrorism expert Richard “hair-on-fire” Clark. We have seen the Downing Street Memos and heard from the various ex-CIA agents who gave unheeded warning before we invaded Iraq. And now, we have seen the pre-Katrina video that shows us that the likely cataclysm was described in detail before the fact. Indeed, Bush was told about all three of his administration’s catastrophes early enough that he might have been able to effectively intervene to at least minimize the damage. He was told, but it is not clear that he heard anything.

One day, the same thing will be said of Bush’s fiscal policy which includes radically slashing taxes during a prohibitively expensive war and allowing a deficit to balloon beyond anyone’s wildest imaginings. Many have warned him of the dangerous waters into which he has led us. He hears nothing. In his misguided delusional reality, all is well. The same may be said for global warming about which a multitude of research abounds. The increasingly disturbing data suggests dire threats to the future of the planet. Yet again, Bush has done nothing to stem the tide of this frightening phenomenon. It doesn’t fit into his preconceived notions, so it doesn’t exist. As with most unpleasant things, his head is in the sand, like an ostrich who doesn’t want to see the danger approaching and thinks ignoring it will make it go away.

In astrology, it is usually an overactive Neptune and/or too much emphasis on the 12th house, the natural home of Neptune, that will indicate a tendency to avoid the structure, pain, and discipline of the “reality-based world” for a more peaceful and less stressful experience. Such planetary activity is usually found in the charts of people with a history of substance abuse. It can also be strong in a deeply religious or spiritual person who inwardly sacrifices personal satisfaction for the good of others. Generally, the sense of an ego-driven Self is weak, and the desire to merge into something larger, greater or just painless is quite strong.

This does not suggest that every person with a planet square to Neptune or a planet in the 12th house will be incapable of dealing with reality. These aspects, when not overwhelming the whole chart, can bring great inspiration and deep feelings of compassion, as well as a capacity to serve important causes for the benefit of many. At times, there may also be some minor difficulties staying on task or judging situations accurately, but nothing necessarily diagnosable. It is when there are multiple indications in a chart of this Neptunian disconnect from reality combined with a lack in the capacity for discipline, responsibility, and groundedness, as would be shown by a weak Saturn position, that serious trouble will come. And this is what we find in the chart of George W. Bush.

Bush has Neptune square his Sun and widely conjunct his Moon, thus negatively impacting his capacity for making clear, reality-based decisions (Sun) and somewhat untethering his emotions (Moon). It is also semisquare his Venus, suggesting (along with the aspect to the Moon) that he can get carried away with his feelings without deferring to the facts on the ground. Moreover, Bush has the Sun in the 12th house, which is an essentially weak position for the Sun, and one where a person is more likely to want to merge with some larger, higher, transcendent reality than to immerse himself in the details and struggles of the three-dimensional world, especially when that Sun is also square to Neptune.

To further clarify the picture, it is useful to consider the position of Saturn in Bush’s chart. Saturn generally indicates the capacity to focus on a particular goal and follow through with determination and thoroughness. Saturn is careful, steady, serious, and not prone to flights of fancy, being far too aware of the limitations of concrete reality. In Bush’s chart, however, Saturn is in the 12th house, where much of its strength is lost, as well as in Cancer, the sign of its “detriment” where it is unable to fully manifest its characteristics. Thus, the desire to merge with a larger experience and escape from mundane details and drudgery (Neptune/12th house) is not met with an equally strong capacity to slog through the hard work necessary to truly get the job done. In other words, what we get from the current resident of the Oval Office are promises about ridding the world of evil, bringing democracy and freedom to those under the yoke of tyranny, and rebuilding the ravaged city of New Orleans, but there is little reality-based perspective to determine if these things can actually be accomplished and no concrete, conscientious planning and determination to make these things actually happen.

Another planet to consider in Bush’s chart is Jupiter, the planet of expansion, most known for the good luck and many blessings it can bring to a person’s life. As with anything, however, too much Jupiter can be a problem. When Jupiter is afflicted, especially to the Sun as we find in Bush’s chart (Sun square Jupiter), there is the tendency for a certain amount of arrogance, recklessness, and grandiosity. If this is part of a larger framework that includes an over-strong Neptune, there is the potential for delusions (Neptune) of grandeur (Jupiter) recklessly acted on with overconfidence (Jupiter). The deep humility and self sacrifice of Neptune gets tainted by the inflated sense of self of the Jupiter/Sun square. Moreover, in Bush’s chart, the South Node of the Moon is in Sagittarius, which is ruled by Jupiter, and indicates that there is a tendency to unconsciously act out the more negative Jupiter qualities such as grandiosity, recklessness, and overconfidence. Iraq, Iran, fiscal policy, the current nuclear agreement with India, the Dubai Port contract, all point to policies that have been entered into with a reckless overconfidence and little consciousness of likely consequences (Saturn).

Interestingly, during the much of Bush’s first term, he was submerged in Neptune transits with a consequent exaggeration of his delusional reality. As has been widely reported, he felt God chose him to go into Afghanistan and Iraq. He talked of fighting evil in the world, seeing himself as its savior. Neptune was opposed to his Descendant (2001) and opposed to his Mercury and Pluto (2002). By the time it was moving away in late January 2003, plans to invade Iraq were already finalized. Reality and its frustrations began to intrude beginning in June 2003, as victory in Iraq evaporated into chaos, when Saturn entered Cancer, and subsequently crossed the US Venus, Jupiter, and Sun, and Bush’s Sun and Saturn, through June 2005. This has been followed by Saturn’s crossing of Bush’s Ascendant, Mercury, and Pluto which will continue through early July 2006, bringing with it sagging polls, endless irresolvable obstacles, and numerous failures.


The two Bush Inaugural charts, the birth charts of his two terms, show us why even the hard lessons of Saturn have not seemed to penetrate the addled fantasies of the incompetent gang running the country. During Bush’s first term, Neptune was conjunct the Sun, which describes a weak chief executive prone to dishonesty and self-delusion. By the term’s end, however, transiting Neptune had moved to an exact square with the Inaugural Ascendant, tainting everything done by the administration with an illusory image purposefully used to obscure reality and manipulate impressions. (Remember the election of 2004 if you have any doubts: the Swift Boaters, Rathergate, and the dishonest election are but a few examples.)

In the chart for the second term, this very tight Neptune square to the Ascendant became a permanent part of the new birth chart. The entire modus operandi of the Bush II script became saturated with obfuscation, dishonesty, illusion, and self-deception. With the secondary progressed Inaugural Ascendant reaching the exact square to natal Neptune in January 2006, and the solar arc progressed Ascendant reaching the exact square by August 2006, this administration is now perceived in the public’s mind as totally incompetent and dishonest (Neptune). Its credibility is in tatters. Interestingly, tertiary progressed Inaugural Sun has been conjunct Inaugural Neptune from February 10 through March 10, a period which brought home through the pre-Katrina video tape and the Dubai Ports deal, following on the heels of the NSA wiretap story, how deeply duplicitous and untrustworthy the Bushistas truly are.

In past articles, I have written about the Chiron conjunction with the Midheaven in the Inaugural chart. This aspect suggests some kind of wound or crippling of the Bush II administration that renders the fulfillment of its goals very difficult if not impossible. I have speculated as to whether this “wound” might be Iraq or possibly Katrina. But it seems that it is really an amalgam of all the ineffectual deeds and dishonest posturing of the Bush years finally coming home to roost. This administration is crippled by its own incompetence and the fact that no one really trusts it anymore, neither to tell the truth nor to do the job. Not coincidentally, Inaugural Midheaven has now progressed to conjunct natal Chiron where it remains within one-degree orb and waxing though 2006. The sense of failure of this aspect is compounded by solar arc Saturn conjunct Inaugural IC through February 2007. Clearly 2006 and early 2007 will be the period remembered when the awareness of George Bush’s incompetence and multiple failures fully permeated the public’s mind.

Bush’s growing unpopularity continues unabated through 2007, while transiting Saturn crosses his Venus through June of that year, and tertiary progressed Saturn conjuncts his Venus through December. This is an aspect which suggests decreasing public acceptance and approval ratings that could actually descend into the 20’s. If impeachment were to occur, and I am not predicting that it will, but if it were, it would be in 2007, with Saturn on Bush’s Venus and Uranus square to Inaugural Mars. But as discussed in other articles and as will be covered again and again in the blog and future writings, big events are likely in 2007 and 2008, which may distract from these issues. And Bush himself will once again be under Neptune’s confusing and self-deluding tutelage in 2008, when Neptune opposes his Venus, just as Uranus squares the war planet Mars in the US chart. So there is no telling what that will bring during the last year of this blighted reign. If we are really lucky, maybe he will be in Crawford for it. But don’t count on it.

In the meantime, this tragic, fatal flaw in our president, his inability to engage in reality or to tell the truth about it, has brought the country to its knees. With three more years of this Ostrich Regime, the devastating effect of a totally incompetent government that cannot connect with or act appropriately with regard to the facts on the ground is quite frightening. There is no telling what the next great drama will bring or how much damage such incompetence will wreak. But, at least, an understanding of how deeply damaged this administration is, by virtue of its own fecklessness, dishonesty, and inability to work in the reality-based world, is now reaching prime time.

Nancy Waterman on Mar 9 | Link
Comments

Excellent article, Nancy. Thank you!
~D

Posted by: Dommael on March 9, 2006 10:39 PM

Kudos Nancy!

Thank you.

bob

Posted by: bob on March 9, 2006 11:02 PM

I'm with Dommael and bob, Nancy. Your insight is outstanding as always.

Not to draw any attention away from review of Nancy's article, but I am curious to know what some of the more experienced astrologers here have to say about the gubernatorial race in my very troubled State of Ohio (founded March 1, 1803, hour/minute unknown, Chillicothe, OH)

The Candidates:

DEMOCRAT: Congressman, Ted Strickland, August 4, 1941, hour/minute unknown, Lucasville, Ohio.

REPUBLICAN: Ohio Attorney General, Jim Petro, October 25, 1948, hour/minute unknown, Brooklyn, Ohio.

REPUBLICAN: Ohio Secretary of State, John Kenneth Blackwell, February 28, 1948, hour/minute unknown, Cincinnati, Ohio(?)

Please note that Petro and Blackwell will face off in a Republican Primary Election on May 2, 2006. The winner will face Strickland in the general election on November 7, 2006.

Sorry about birth times. I couldn't find anything on these men.

Blackwell concerns me. He's the last individual we need running this state at this time, or any time for that matter.

Posted by: NEOBuckeye on March 9, 2006 11:30 PM

Very well written article, Nancy. Thank you.

Posted by: Teresa on March 9, 2006 11:34 PM


Great chart reading. Exactly the man. Astrology is proved once again.


There is only one way that Bush can now be an asset to the Republican party. Think about it.

Posted by: Jean on March 10, 2006 12:10 AM

I just love this stuff.
http://www.livescience.com/history/060306_desert_ships.html

Posted by: shylurker on March 10, 2006 12:16 AM

About time the planets helped us all out. Good stuff, Nancy!

Posted by: bhakti on March 10, 2006 12:35 AM

Wonderful, Nancy, thank you! How I enjoy the voices on this site--each one unique and all so harmonious.

Re Nancy's article, thinking about the very great truth that "Our opinions are based not on our intelligence, but on our experiences." This is evident in Bush's chart: not only is he inclined to delusional thinking--his whole life experience has been that no matter how much he messes up, someone will bail him out and he will, at the end, profit from his foolish, pusilanimous actions.

Posted by: Barbara on March 10, 2006 12:43 AM

Good work Nancy and a pleasure to read! As always.

Oooolala Shylurker i love that stuff too. Goosebumps.

bob, for you,
i extend my deep gratitude to you for taking this time so precious to share...

i can only echo Barbara and others who remind what amazing voices join here.

Posted by: tseka on March 10, 2006 12:52 AM

Talk about the collective consciousness and ideas beng ripe at the same time in many places, a friend just sent me this quote from Sy Hersh's latest book "Chain of Command." She sent it after reading my article.


""There are many who believe George Bush is a liar, a President who knowingly
and deliberately twists facts for political gain. But lying would indicate
an understanding of what is desired, what is possible, and how best to get
there. A more plausible explanation is that words have no meaning for this
President beyond the immediate moment, and so he believes that his mere
utterance of the phrases makes them real. It is a terrifying possiblity."

Posted by: Nancy on March 10, 2006 01:03 AM

With this administration's penchant for doing whatever it wants to despite the objections of the majority of the American people, there's serious trouble ahead. I once wrote an article which stated - it would be a matter of whether the people and congress could impeach Bush before he declared another war.

Today "Condi" Secretary of State appeared on television saying our most serious threat comes from Iran and its nuclear intentions. I'm surprised she didn't mention the mushroom cloud - but certainly that word-picture isn't far off; after all it worked the first time, so why not use it again is the mindset of this administration.

Hopefully the Mars-Uranus will be the rebelling of the muricans rather than another declaration of war, although both could come at the same time.

This country has one chance to change its direction - right now. Everything depends on this election and whether enough democrats are elected to change the balance of power in Congress - to either impeach him or stop his further fascistic
dictatorship. If the democrats don't move to impeach him, should they be in the majority, you'll know there's only one party running this country, whatever name they're called by.

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 10, 2006 02:42 AM

Pravda

New York citizens think Clinton will run for president, won't back her
Front page / World
03/09/2006 20:35 Source:

Six in 10 New York voters believe Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is planning to run for president in 2008, but only about a third of her home-state voters say they would back her if she did so, a statewide poll reported Thursday.

Almost half of New York voters, including three of every 10 Democrats, said they would not vote for her for president, according to the poll from Siena College's Research Institute.

The Siena findings mirror those reported by Marist College's Institute for Public Opinion in a January poll that found 59 percent of New York voters said they expect Clinton to run for president, but 62 percent said it was unlikely she could win.

Siena 's telephone poll of 620 registered voters was conducted March 1-7 and has a sampling error margin of plus or minus 4 percentage points, reports the AP.

D.M.

Posted by: on March 10, 2006 03:00 AM


Logic out the window at the White House

By Gwynne Dyer

U.S. ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton was calmly proposing an illegal attack on a sovereign state, possibly involving nuclear weapons.

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article12261.htm

===
Steamroller Bolton at the U.N.

By Mike Whitney

American plutocrats and corporate big-wigs are looking for an organization that is more responsive to their needs. The UN provides the legitimacy they need as cover for their "humanitarian interventions" (re: wars of aggression) and reconstruction projects, (Sluicing money to the major corporate players) but it requires fine-tuning to better serve their interests.

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article12263.htm

Posted by: wv on March 10, 2006 03:29 AM


Carter Urges Troop Withdrawal From Iraq : :

"It was a completely unnecessary war. It was an unjust war," said Carter, the 2002 Nobel Peace Prize winner. "It was initiated on the basis of false pretenses.

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article12265.htm

Posted by: wv on March 10, 2006 03:31 AM

nancy your post is wonderful.

i'm going to respond later.

NOW i'm asking for all of your prayers for a very special patriot, TruthIsAll. He has been posting since before election day 2004 and is the leading mathematician uncovering, in every imaginable way, the stolen election of 2004 (the cause of our current misery).

Right now he's ill and in the hospital. This is a stunning blow to all of us who care about him and to the cause of freedom and election integrity.

HE HAS REQUESTED PRAYERS from his online friends. No internet forum has more powerful prayers than this group.

Please share them.

Namaste,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=621028&mesg_id=621028

Posted by: mike on March 10, 2006 04:35 AM

http://www.startribune.com/722/story/297097.html
Think the verdict will hold? Think they'll have to pay us (the taxpayers) back--with interest and lotsa penalties?

Posted by: shylurker on March 10, 2006 05:19 AM

Mike,

something wrong with his heart? or his left lung area?

Need his real first name...TruthIsAll won't do it for me.

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 10, 2006 05:21 AM

Pallas

As I'm in a different time zone here in Warsaw, this is a belated reply to your excellent and important comment/question in the last thread re what the @#^%$# have the Dems been doing for the last five years in terms of standing up to Bushco as a viable and effective opposition party?

Their timidity and (overused word by now, but oh so true) spinelessness never ceases to amaze me, ESPECIALLY now that W's poll numbers are fast approaching Nixon pre-resignation territory.

Perhaps worst of all, when someone like Reid or Durbin finally works up the needed aggressive energy to say something really critical and pointed, and is then challenged by these whores, the commenter always almost immediately caves and apologizes (for speaking the unvarnished truth!)

When was the last time you heard Cheney, Mehlman, Rumpsteak, Frist, Hannity, Limbaugh or any of these other fascistic @#%$^*%# apologize for their often outrageous and slanderous comments?

Perhaps the analogy is overly simplistic but I keep thinking back to the Junior High School bullies who would hit somebody from behind when they were not looking and then kick them repeatedly when they were down.

Sorry, but if the Dems don't soon stop whining and appearing like effete wimps afraid to show people they are willing to strongly stand up and assertively defend their beliefs as they strongly criticize W's current travesties, AND unaplogetically give back to these schoolyard thugs from hell at least twice what they have handed out, there is truly no hope for the republic.

That's why in my opinion it is such an absolute shame, disgrace, and lost opportunity that someone like Paul Hackett of Ohio was discouraged (and even strongly pressured by the Dem "leadership") NOT to run for Senate from Ohio this year (do we as Dems have a death wish or what?)

We must first take back the party (not enough time in this national/worldwide emergency to start a viable new one right at this moment I am afraid)
if we are to take back our country in time, as it teeters on the absolute precipice.

Posted by: Grizzly on March 10, 2006 06:30 AM

It Gets Worse: The Master Con Job. Busheviks Plan Shell Game of Allegedly Transferring Dubai Port Contract to Halliburton. Okay, So Dubai Will Get a Multi-Billion Dollar Sub-Contract and Halliburton Will Make Out Like the Bandit It is~ January 20, 2001: The Day Democracy Died~

"Dubai Ports World Is Considering Selling U.S. Operations To Halliburton"

Today Dubai Ports World announced it would “transfer fully the U.S. operations…to a United States entity.” This evening on the PBS News Hour, AEI scholar Norm Ornstein said that DP World was considering selling its U.S. operations to Halliburton:

If this is done now through the backdoor, where D.P. [Dubai Ports World] has any role at all, Congress is going to go ballistic, and it’s going to be a disaster, I think, for the administration.

They have got a dilemma now, because there simply aren’t American companies that have the know-how and the breadth to do this. Interestingly, and perhaps ironically, what I had heard earlier in the day, as they were looking at those that have the — the kind of resources, Halliburton was a name that came up.


Continued~
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/09/dpworld-halliburton/

Posted by: Starrynights/SN on March 10, 2006 07:09 AM

Grizzly,

I agree with every _*&^%% thing you said. :)

What are you doing in Poland? there permanently or visiting?


I find it hard to believe that there is no other company in this country that can do port services other than Halliburton - but I wouldn't find it surprising if Carlyle or one of its subsidiaries - likely a name we wouldn't immediately recognize in order to fool the muricans, were to take over the ports.

Watch Cheney retire from the veepness and go back to CEO of Halliburton.

Nothing, absolutely nothing would surprise me about the unmitigated gaul these modern day capones have.

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 10, 2006 08:16 AM

PS

And Barbara,

You voiced above the thought I've had many times.
He's never had to take responsibility for anything-someone (pappy or pappy's friends) was always there to cover for him or pick up the pieces and fix it- as you say.

I wouldn't be surprised if Pappy or Baker had made some calls or trips to the UAE to save his behind this time too.

Although Pappy is behind much of what has been done - end goals that Pappy wanted - he certainly didnt want them in this blatant manner and tried to advise junior - who hung up on him - as other advisors of Pappy's regime have tried to talk to him - to no avail - so that you have them as talking heads now roasting his royal arse on national television. A spoiled brat with no experience and no common sense. Remember the British papers when he was "re-elected" (with the help of the electronic machines) ? " They did it again. How could 62 million (sic) people be so stupid?"

Makes you wonder if he thinks he's playing Monopoly with murican real estate and if he had those little metal soldiers as a child.

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 10, 2006 08:28 AM

It just may be true about few American companies up to running ports. I heard on the News Hour tonight that there's exactly one (besides Haliburton). We've been outsourcing this for decades before anyone finally noticed.

Posted by: Larry on March 10, 2006 08:50 AM

Nancy,
Your articlle ALMOST makes me feel sorry for him!
Having a 12th house sun myself, which with my Nept in 4th opposite Jupiter in 10th; has manifested as ;
"It can also be strong in a deeply religious or spiritual person who inwardly sacrifices personal satisfaction for the good of others. Generally, the sense of an ego-driven Self is weak, and the desire to merge into something Larger ,Greater or just painless is quite strong." I have spent a large portion of my life, tryiing to help FAMILY MEMBERS (Nept.-4th) who are choosing the no-pain route, instead of supporting ME.
You have given me some valuable insight, to apply to what is currently happening in my life. ( will post details later)
There certainly IS karmic justice! The old man must be writhing, to see his life's work revealed & derailed!
PQ

Posted by: Pat Sharp on March 10, 2006 12:29 PM

Sweeping analysis, Nancy. I continue to wonder about the "psychosis" of a population drawn to this entity. I have observed that many of Bush's fervent supporters are almost rabid about protecting him despite "his inability to engage in reality or to tell the truth."

Many estoric writers (Cayce, et al) spoke of the collective generational karma, the opportunities and inherent (and "inherited") behavioral dangers.
Time and again rigid structures (that we have replicated how many times before?) must give way. It's the chaos i don't look forward to.

Incredible posts this morning, AWers!

karen

Posted by: karen on March 10, 2006 01:17 PM

Hi Pallas

I'm here for an "indefinite" period. My wife (whom I met and lived with in the states for fifteen years before going over) is Polish, and wanted to return to care for "mom" who is`old, increasingly sick, and alone. My wife and I are both only children and loners, but she (Capricorn) is very loyal to mom, who is a very nice and classy lady of the "old school".

I was a sales/negotiation trainer in the states from the sports/luxury car biz (mostly Porsche) and have fairly easily found work here doing specialized English language fluency/negotiation/interpersonal communication/ client awareness training to lawyers, business consultants, execs, etc. Not bad work, and my clients are mostly very nice, intelligent, aware, friendly people.

Only recently (with my very proactive help of course, mostly from articles pulled off the internet) have they started to become truly aware of the Bushco national emergency/tragedy here. Candidly, I have very mixed feelings about Poland and most of the people here in general, but must admit that as an American I'm quite lucky to be someplace where most people still uncritically support the U.S., having absolutely no clue what is really going on here and how things have significantly deteriorated in the U.S.
since 2001.

If you (or anyone else) has interest in further details re life or the current situation in Poland, please mail me and I'll for sure respond, as posting and communicating on blogs like this one, Kos, Starlight News, etc., is one of the activities which really keeps me (relatively) sane. Take care all!

Posted by: on March 10, 2006 02:08 PM

Yep, Mercury retrograde. The last post sans name and e-mail address was mine!

Posted by: Grizzly on March 10, 2006 02:10 PM


The Conservative Epiphany

By PAUL KRUGMAN
Bruce Bartlett, the author of "Impostor: How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and Betrayed the Reagan Legacy," is an angry man. At a recent book forum at the Cato Institute, he declared that the Bush administration is "unconscionable," "irresponsible," "vindictive" and "inept."

It's no wonder, then, that one commentator wrote of Mr. Bartlett that "if he were a cartoon character, he would probably look like Donald Duck during one of his famous tirades, with steam pouring out of his ears."

Oh, wait. That's not what somebody wrote about Mr. Bartlett. It's what Mr. Bartlett wrote about me in September 2003, when I was saying pretty much what he's saying now.

Human nature being what it is, I don't expect Mr. Bartlett to acknowledge his about-face. Nor do I expect any expressions of remorse from Andrew Sullivan, the conservative Time.com blogger who also spoke at the Cato forum. Mr. Sullivan used to specialize in denouncing the patriotism and character of anyone who dared to criticize President Bush, whom he lionized. Now he himself has become a critic, not just of Mr. Bush's policies, but of his personal qualities, too.

Never mind; better late than never. We should welcome the recent epiphanies by conservative commentators who have finally realized that the Bush administration isn't trustworthy. But we should guard against a conventional wisdom that seems to be taking hold in some quarters, which says there's something praiseworthy about having initially been taken in by Mr. Bush's deceptions, even though the administration's mendacity was obvious from the beginning.

According to this view, if you're a former Bush supporter who now says, as Mr. Bartlett did at the Cato event, that "the administration lies about budget numbers," you're a brave truth-teller. But if you've been saying that since the early days of the Bush administration, you were unpleasantly shrill.

Similarly, if you're a former worshipful admirer of George W. Bush who now says, as Mr. Sullivan did at Cato, that "the people in this administration have no principles," you're taking a courageous stand. If you said the same thing back when Mr. Bush had an 80 percent approval rating, you were blinded by Bush-hatred.

And if you're a former hawk who now concedes that the administration exaggerated the threat from Iraq, you're to be applauded for your open-mindedness. But if you warned three years ago that the administration was hyping the case for war, you were a conspiracy theorist.

The truth is that everything the new wave of Bush critics has to say was obvious long ago to any commentator who was willing to look at the facts.

Mr. Bartlett's book is mainly a critique of the Bush administration's fiscal policy. Well, the administration's pattern of fiscal dishonesty and irresponsibility was clear right from the start to anyone who understands budget arithmetic. The chicanery that took place during the selling of the 2001 tax cut — obviously fraudulent budget projections, transparently deceptive advertising about who would benefit and the use of blatant accounting gimmicks to conceal the plan's true cost — was as bad as anything that followed.

The false selling of the Iraq war was almost as easy to spot. All the supposed evidence for an Iraqi nuclear program was discredited before the war — and it was the threat of nukes, not lesser W.M.D., that stampeded Congress into authorizing Mr. Bush to go to war. The administration's nonsensical but insistent rhetorical linkage of Iraq and 9/11 was also a dead giveaway that we were being railroaded into an unnecessary war.

The point is that pundits who failed to notice the administration's mendacity a long time ago either weren't doing their homework, or deliberately turned a blind eye to the evidence.

But as I said, better late than never. Born-again Bush-bashers like Mr. Bartlett and Mr. Sullivan, however churlish, are intellectually and morally superior to the Bushist dead-enders who still insist that Saddam was allied with Al Qaeda, and will soon be claiming that we lost the war in Iraq because the liberal media stabbed the troops in the back. And reporters understandably consider it newsworthy that some conservative voices are now echoing longstanding liberal critiques of the Bush administration.

It's still fair, however, to ask people like Mr. Bartlett the obvious question: What took you so long?


Posted by: wv on March 10, 2006 02:43 PM

Second Dubai firm in US port link

ISS suppliers services at Baltimore and other US ports
A Dubai-owned firm is already providing shipping services in the United States, it has emerged.
Inchcape Shipping Services, whose clients include the US Navy, has been owned since January by the United Arab Emirates investment firm Istithmar.

Fellow Dubai firm Dubai Ports World has agreed to cede control of US ports acquired in its takeover of P&O to a "US entity" after a political outcry.

The US Congress threatened to block the takeover on security grounds.

'Rigorous security'

Republican and Democrat politicians both claimed that the deal would make key US assets more vulnerable to terrorist attack.

However, as Dubai Ports World conceded the deal would not go ahead as planned, it emerged that Inchcape Shipping Services (ISS) has had extensive interests in the US for many years.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4792788.stm

Posted by: wv on March 10, 2006 02:52 PM


Good God there's another one on the way up...

President's nephew takes politically vocal stance
LAST UPDATE: 3/10/2006 5:24:40 AM

WASHINGTON (AP) - Pierce G. Bush, the 19-year-old nephew of President Bush, supported his uncle's position on the DP World deal - and he's speaking his mind.

The University of Texas student defended the president in an e-mail letter to the Houston Chronicle when a political firestorm erupted last month over plans for the Dubai-based company to assume operations at six U.S. ports.

The deal, which had been approved by the Bush administration, was abandoned Thursday in the face of congressional opposition.

Pierce Bush wrote that opposing the deal sent an "ignorant and offensive" message that the owners were being discriminated against because they are Arab

http://www.woai.com/news/state/story.aspx?content_id=2E4F2C55-1DD0-4A84-BF31-3D4A77CA6C62

Posted by: wv on March 10, 2006 03:05 PM


Full Moon in Virgo
Tuesday, March 14, 2006
3:35pm PST
24º 15'
Total Penumbral Lunar Eclipse
3:48pm PST
24º 21'

This is the Full Moon of healing and service. Virgo understands that disease manifests itself in societies as well as in individuals. There is so much dis-ease in our world and we all need to awaken to our role as healers. This is especially true on this Full Moon in Virgo, with a total penumbral lunar eclipse. The soulful peacemaker, spiritual healer Pisces Sun, comes together with the scientific, nature-based healing Virgo Moon. What a night to release all of your New Moon in Pisces intentions for global and personal health and healing, and celebrate the hard work you have done over the last two weeks toward these goals. With help from Mars in Gemini and Chiron/Venus/Neptune in Aquarius, implementing your radical changes should be easy on this Full Moon.

http://www.astrowisdom.com/thisfullmoon.htm

Posted by: wv on March 10, 2006 03:24 PM

Excellent analysis Nancy, proof that a crazy man has been running the country into the ground.

This whole ports deal reeks of manipulation to gain support for the repugs in November. Remember KKKarl said the elections this year would be about security. Well, it sure fired up the repugs to do something, but it may have backfired on Jr., but then again he probably does not care any more. Something is not right about this whole deal. The gop was sinking and splitting and now they are getting a little more support. And come election time they will benefit.

Posted by: Cybear on March 10, 2006 03:30 PM


Molly Ivins
RELEASE: TUESDAY, MARCH 7, 2006, AND THEREAFTER

AUSTIN, Texas -- South Dakota is so rarely found on the leading edge of the far out, the wiggy, the California-esque. But it has now staked its claim. First to Outlaw Abortion This Century. The state legislature of South Dakota, in all its wisdom and majesty, a legislature comprised of sons and daughters of the soil from Aberdeen to Zell, have usurped the right of the women of that state to decide whether or not to bear the child of an unwanted pregnancy. THEY will decide. Women will do what they decide.

These towering solons, representing citizens from the great cosmopolitan centers of Rapid City and Sioux Falls to the bosky dells near Yankton, are noted for their sagacity and understanding. When you think "enlightenment," the first thing that comes to your mind is "the South Dakota Legislature," right?

As well it might. The purpose of the law is to force a decision from the United States Supreme Court, where the appointments of John Roberts and Sam Alito have now shored up the anti-choice forces.

http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?columnsName=miv

Posted by: wv on March 10, 2006 04:06 PM


You Call This Progress?

By Molly Ivins, AlterNet. Posted March 9, 2006.


Despite Rumsfeld's public rationalizing, Iraq is in a deep pile of poop.

It was such a relief to me to learn we are making "very, very good progress" in Iraq. As the third anniversary of our invasion approaches, I could not have been more thrilled by the news reported by Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, on a Sunday chat show. Vice President Dick Cheney's take was equally reassuring: Things are "improving steadily" in Iraq.

I was thrilled -- very, very good progress and steady improvement, isn't that grand? Wake me if anything starts to go wrong. Like someone bombing the al-Askari Mosque in Samarra and touching off a lot of sectarian violence.

http://www.alternet.org/story/33329

Posted by: wv on March 10, 2006 04:09 PM


From Bill Maher...

"Mr. President, this job can't be fun for you any more. There's no

more money to spend -- you used up all of that. You can't start

another war because you used up the Army. And now, darn the luck, the

rest of your term has become the Bush family nightmare: helping poor

people.

Listen to your Mom. The cupboard's bare, the credit cards maxed out.

No one's speaking to you. Mission accomplished.

Now it's time to do what you've always done best: lose interest and

walk away. Like you did with your military service and the oil

company and the baseball team. It's time. Time to move on and try the

next fantasy job. How about cowboy, or space man?

Now I know what you're saying: there's so many other things that you

as President could involve yourself in. Please don't. I know, I know.

There's a lot left to do.

There's a war with Venezuela. Eliminating the

sales tax on yachts. Turning the space program over to the church.

And Social Security to Fannie Mae. Giving embryos the vote.

But, Sir, none of that is going to happen now. Why? Because you

govern like Billy Joel drives. You've performed so poorly I'm

surprised that you haven't given yourself a medal. You're a

catastrophe that walks like a man.

Herbert Hoover was a shitty president, but even he never conceded an

entire city to rising water and snakes.

On your watch, we've lost almost all of our allies, the surplus, four

airliners, two trade centers, a piece of the Pentagon and the City of

New Orleans. Maybe you're just not lucky.

I'm not saying you don't love this country. I'm just wondering how

much worse it could be if you were on the other side.

So, yes, God does speak to you. What He is saying is 'Take a hint.' “

Posted by: wv on March 10, 2006 04:17 PM

Intersesting...Maybe this is why she really retired. I wish she would have said this before she walked away.

Breaking: Sandra Day O'Connor rips into GOP, DeLay, Cornyn, and warns of the "beginnings" of dictatorship

http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/002903.html

Posted by: Cybear on March 10, 2006 04:56 PM

Bush is doing exactly what he came here to do, and it's cool to see how his astrological profile backs this up. The powers that be sure know how to pick 'em, I'd say.

The setup to destroy America
By John Kaminski
March 9, 2006

Failure to recognize what's really happening and who is really behind current events is going to cost us our lives, our country and our planet....

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_news&Number=294475580#Post294475580

Posted by: Peg on March 10, 2006 05:12 PM

Quite an article Nancy. Your work proves that Prez Delusional must be someone's puppet doesn't it? He is totally incapable of creating, planning and carrying through on anything!! I still may see him carted off to a padded cell yet.

Pat Sharp, go to http://www.buyblue.org/ to find out if a company is red or blue.

Posted by: Jill G on March 10, 2006 05:31 PM

Very interesting poll. Please go vote in it:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/specials/interactives/wdc/polls/060309approval_poll/index.html?SITE=TXHOU&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Posted by: shylurker on March 10, 2006 05:41 PM

You know, JoannaO, he's making a very sly prediction today:
10 March
"Three different people have asked me within the last forty eight hours if there’s anything unusual (?!) going on in the heavens, and when asked as to why all three have said something like they have a feeling in their water for March 11 or March 12. I consider this current Mercury retrograde perhaps the most difficult one of the last few years, in that I have very strong suspicions that there are grave developments happening behind the scenes, developments that were they known about would appal most people. Something buried is coming up, Pluto like, from the depths. Perhaps they’ll find WoMD in Iraq? (Joke). More likely some big revelation is due, some type of uncovering out of the depths. This is a mad world, but I’m so glad that I’m alive at this time."

Fits in with all the predictions made right here, of course. Veddy interesting. (from stevejudd.co.uk)
Of course as somebody noted earlier, the gravest prediction of all was by Dr. Hunter S Thompson: "Big Dark Come Soon."

Posted by: shylurker on March 10, 2006 05:53 PM

It's all over the internets now: Norton has resigned as Sec'y of the Interior. I'm sure, it's so she can spend more time with her family. Hope she has many family members who are lawyers (Abramoff).

Posted by: shylurker on March 10, 2006 06:00 PM


You are not the only one feeling a shift...

http://www.crystalinks.com/elliesworld.html

Posted by: wv on March 10, 2006 07:19 PM

Peg, I'm sure Kaminsky makes some good points in his article, "The Set-up to Destroy America," but he lost me when he said that what American has done is worse than anything the Germans have ever done.

Posted by: Sharon on March 10, 2006 07:23 PM


Shylurker

Judd may have forseen the recent declaration of
Britian's help to Israel in the 60's to build the
atomic bomb. Someone has just dumped a load of
stuff on the BBC (they tell the story on the air
but not on their website). Evidently it was a deep
secret and they don't believe even Harold Wilson,
PM at the time knew about it. They interviewed someone from the Times who still had the pictures
Vanunu at taken at Dimona and gave to them. A
female Mossad agent seduced Vanunu to Rome where
he was kidnapped on the street and taken to Israel. He subsequently served 18 years, and now
lives in a Christian church in East Jerusalem, unable to leave Israel or talk to the press. He
has been on Democracy Now and in many interviews
telling the world that Israel has 200 atomic bombs,100 Hydrogen bombs, and 100 Neutron bombs.
Britian gave many of the ingrediants needed to
produce a bomb, but France helped the most. Kenned
y tried to get Ben Gurion not to proceed. There are some that claim it was Mossad who took him out.

Posted by: wv on March 10, 2006 07:46 PM


The Hindu

Nuclear deal sent to U.S. Congress

First legislative step needs to be enacted by May, say sources
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The Nuclear Suppliers Group also must alter its regulations so foreign countries can supply India
Presidential determinations gave the U.S. virtually no leverage: Arms Control Association
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WASHINGTON: The Bush administration submitted to Congress its proposal to change the U.S. law to allow sale of nuclear technology to India, Congressional sources said.

The sources told Reuters on Thursday that the administration wanted the first of two needed legislative steps taken by May, but said this would be difficult because the bill raised questions about an already complicated and controversial nuclear deal.

Approved in principle last July and confirmed in more detail last week by the U.S. President and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, the agreement would end a three decades-old ban on U.S. civilian nuclear technology sale. But it must first be approved by the Congress.

The 45-member Nuclear Suppliers' Group, which oversees nuclear transfers, must also alter its regulations so that foreign countries can supply India, whose rapid economic growth has created huge energy demands.

India is currently barred under the U.S. and international law from acquiring foreign nuclear technology because it refused to sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty and developed nuclear weapons.

The U.S. approval would be a two-step approach, according to the Congressional sources familiar with the India case but who were not authorised to speak publicly. Key sections of the legislation were made available to Reuters.

http://www.hindu.com/2006/03/11/stories/2006031114810100.htm

Posted by: wv on March 10, 2006 07:54 PM



w w w . h a a r e t z . c o m

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Last update - 02:26 10/03/2006
Ya'alon: IDF can hit Iran nukes
By Shmuel Rosner

WASHINGTON - Former Israel Defense Forces chief of staff Moshe Ya'alon said Tuesday that Israel has a military option to counter the Iranian nuclear threat. Speaking at a seminar at the capital's Hudson Institute entitled "Stopping the Iranian Nuclear Program: Is There an Israeli Option?," Ya'alon said that decision-makers must take the Israeli military option into consideration.

He acknowledged that such a strike would be difficult operationally because Iran's nuclear facilities are spread out but said it was nonetheless feasible.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/692625.html

Posted by: wv on March 10, 2006 07:59 PM

http://donkeyod.blogspot.com/2006/03/conservative-epiphany-by-paul-krugman.html

The Conservative Epiphany
By PAUL KRUGMAN

Posted by: Pat C on March 10, 2006 07:59 PM

Pat C, do you have another link the one above comes back as :

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /2006/03/conservative-epiphany-by-paul-krugman.html on this server.

Posted by: Morgana on March 10, 2006 08:12 PM

Here's another puzzle piece.

Ed Naha
President George W. Bush is very good at one thing: screwing up - spending more than we have in our coffers and giving away the store. He did it in India via his Nookular trade-off. He nearly did it with the United Arab Emirates by selling off our ports. And, now, he's doing it with his funding of rural schools and roads when he's already cleaned-out the cash drawer.

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=25196&mode=&order=0&thold=0

PQ

Posted by: Pat Sharp on March 10, 2006 08:33 PM

Morgana, want to try again? I just copied the address and pasted it and it worked perfectly. It's a great article. I do hope you get to it. Here's the link again--maybe you should copy and paste it too rather than just clicking on it.
http://donkeyod.blogspot.com/2006/03/conservative-epiphany-by-paul-krugman.html

Fascinating, wv! That just might be it. Thanks so much.

Posted by: shylurker on March 10, 2006 09:17 PM

Poll: Grade Norton (you'll be among friends). Click on "Vote" beside the headline about her on the right-side of the opening page.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

Posted by: shylurker on March 10, 2006 09:24 PM

I don't know Sharon, I guess it's all perspective. In my book, it's not really necessary or important to compare atrocities.

Posted by: Peg on March 10, 2006 09:40 PM

holy cow now we're pinning kennedy's death on Isreal anything else you want to pile on there.

Posted by: terry on March 10, 2006 09:48 PM

Better Review Urged For Medicare Complaints

Friday, March 10, 2006

Private contractors hired by Medicare to improve quality and investigate complaints have failed to promote patients' rights, and face conflicts of interest that may lead them to favor doctors and hospitals over beneficiaries, a federal advisory group reported yesterday.

..... big snip

A Washington Post investigation in July found that QIOs place a low priority on patient complaints, investigating just 3,100 complaints from Medicare beneficiaries in 2004. Even then, complaints are rarely upheld and sanctions are few.

When a complaint is confirmed, the results are secret, leaving patients and families in the dark. In addition, The Post documented lavish salaries and perks paid to some QIO executives and board members, including a nonprofit contractor in New Jersey that paid its trustees more than $500,000 in 2003.

.....

The Institute of Medicine study, part of a series requested by Congress to examine ways to improve quality and improve how insurers pay for care, singled out the contractors' boards as one area needing substantial change. Many of the boards are "heavily dominated by physicians" and have only a single consumer, it said. Moreover, many QIO boards have no finance or audit committees, and only eight reported having a strategic planning committee.

"Many of the boards are frozen in the 1960s or 1970s, is one way to put it," said Stephen M. Shortell, dean of the School of Public Health at the University of California at Berkeley and chairman of the panel. "We feel quite strongly about this and are calling for the upgrading or modernization. We would like to see more nurses, pharmacists . . . and consumers."

Some of the panel's recommendations will require action by Congress. For example, QIOs are prohibited by a 20-year-old law from sharing the details of their investigations with patients without first obtaining the approval of the doctors involved. Legislation may also be needed to release the names and results of hospitals and doctors who work with the QIOs. .....

http://tinyurl.com/efolu --WP

Posted by: Pat C on March 10, 2006 10:21 PM

Thanks shy! It's working for me Morgana. Maybe it just got hung up. If you can't get it to work, let me know and I'll send it to you.

Posted by: Pat C on March 10, 2006 10:24 PM

Got it.

Posted by: Morgana on March 10, 2006 10:32 PM

That's a good site to bookmark. You can get some of the better editorials there.

Posted by: Pat C on March 10, 2006 10:34 PM

Carlyle Group explores acquisition of port operations

Washington Business Journal - 9:56 AM EST Friday

Private equity firm The Carlyle Group established a team to acquire public-purpose facilities such as ports a day after a United Arab Emirates company said it would transfer newly acquired operations at American ports to a U.S. organization.

D.C.-based Carlyle Group announced an eight-person team would invest in public-purpose infrastructure projects such as ports, transportation and water facilities, airports, bridges and stadiums. The team will begin work March 13.

The new infrastructure team had been planned for six months, but the Carlyle Group decided Thursday to launch it.

..................

http://washington.bizjournals.com/washington/stories/2006/03/06/daily30.html?t=printable


Conspiracy: Dubai, Carlyle Group, CSX & John Snow by BUZZFLASH

Connecting the dots between Dubai Ports World, Carlyle Group, CSX, John Snow, and David Sanborn...

CSX Lines, a division of CSX, was sold to he Carlyle Group, early in Feb. 2003, for $300 million.

One of the biggest customers of CSX Lines is the US military.

John Snow, the CEO of CSX, was appointed Treasury Secretary by Bush jr. on Feb. 7, 2003.

Read about this cozy deal at:

http://www.bridgedeck.org/mmp_news_archive/ 2002/mmp_news021219.html

and at:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12239,919897,00.html

David Sanborn was an executive with CSX and, then, a senior Dubai Ports World executive whom Bush appointed last month to be the new administrator of the Maritime Administration of the Transportation Department.

Sanborn worked as Dubai Ports World's director of operations for Europe and Latin America.

MORE, at http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=46&contentid=3305

.....................

http://rawstory.com/news/2006/Interior_Secretary_to_resign_Ties_to_0310.html

Interior Secretary resigns; Ties to Abramoff Indian deals

..................

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/03/06/flying.blind.ap/index.html

NASA satellites feel budget crunch

(AP) -- Budget cuts and poor management may be jeopardizing the future of our eyes in orbit -- America's fleet of environmental satellites, vital tools for forecasting hurricanes, protecting water supplies and predicting global warming.

"The system of environmental satellites is at risk of collapse," said Richard A. Anthes, president of the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research. "Every year that goes by without the system being addressed is a problem."

Anthes chairs a National Academy of Sciences committee that advises the federal government on developing and operating environmental satellites. In a report issued last year, the committee warned that "the vitality of Earth science and application programs has been placed at substantial risk by a rapidly shrinking budget."

Since that report came out, NASA has chosen to cancel or mothball at least three planned satellites in an effort to save money. Cost overruns have delayed a new generation of weather satellites until at least 2010 and probably 2012, leading a Government Accountability Office official to label the enterprise "a program in crisis."

More...

Posted by: Pat C on March 10, 2006 11:43 PM


Morgana

I posted the entire Krugman column at 2:+today
it is all above.

Posted by: wv on March 11, 2006 12:35 AM

Well, now there is Carlyle to surface.

http://linkthing.com/screed/carlyle_group_cluster.html

Posted by: Pat C on March 11, 2006 01:32 AM

Who posted the Liberty Forum article by John Kaminski....I am confused...is he saying that JEWS are at the bottom of all the trouble in the world? I am aghast and appalled and I am sickened that this stuff is being said....and I can't believe it was posted here....http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_news&Number=294475580#Post294475580

SHAME!!!!

Posted by: judiGem on March 11, 2006 01:53 AM

An if there is ANYONE else on this board who is a holocaust denier, or supporter of absurd and horrendous ideas that Jews are responsible for all the ills of the world, then I am leaving this board.

Denial of the Holocaust? None of it true? Well, my daughter is named after the mother of a friend of mine who worked as a translater at Nuremburg. Let me tell all of you, that was REAL.

It was Peg who posted that.....Shame.

Posted by: judiGem on March 11, 2006 01:56 AM

Nice collection Pat C
And over the years we've seen the names change while the players remain the same.

Posted by: tseka on March 11, 2006 02:02 AM

And the BEST thing I heard today was on Air America...the Will and Willie show, in which Will Durst (comedian) does a 'rant' every day for a couple of minutes. Today he took a thesaurus and looked up words he associates with this administration, and found all of the meaning which accompany those words (make up your own list about what YOU think about the bushistas and do the same!)....which he then read off as one entire sentence about what he thought of these criminals....

It was BRILLIANT. I wish I had a transcript of it!

Posted by: judiGem on March 11, 2006 02:19 AM

Remember the strange appearance of Berlusconi speaking to congress in Italian a couple of weeks ago?
This was on BBC TV last night -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4795350.stm
I had no idea he was another media mogul.
I wonder if these corruption rumblings will go anywhere or make a diffence in Italy's (georges staunch supporter (mafia?)) upcoming election.

And I caught a snip of Georgie talking about the Ports deal. I may be totally wrong, but looking at him I got the distinct feeling that he is very afraid of something or someone - that he was told to get out there and do what he does best, sell a point of view, or else!

Posted by: kiwijeanie on March 11, 2006 02:23 AM

Peg, I definitely see your point, yet there are differences that are sometimes important. The Nazis were just crazy with their ideas of ethnic cleansing. If the numbers are right, they exterminated not only 6 million Jews but 6 more million Russians, Gypsys, Poles and others. However, the U.S has and continues to commit atrocities, murder, torture - that is true and very wrong. I just don't see us on a par with Hitler. I did not read past the first few sentences of the article so I don't know what he said that made it sound like the Jews are responsible for the problems of the world. Whatever is happening in today's world must be, as Paul Levy, says, a type of collusion that the world is creating ("dreaming"), supporting and enabling. This makes sense to me).

Peace & love,
Sharon

Posted by: Sharon on March 11, 2006 02:27 AM


How Britain Secretly Helped Israel Build Its Nuclear Arsenal

An Interview With Former Labour MP Tony Benn

A conversation with Tony Benn, one of Britain's most distinguished politicians and the longest serving MP in the history of the Labour party. Benn discusses the new revelations the British government helped Israel build the atom bomb. Benn also speaks about U.S. and U.K. relations, extraordinary rendition, Guantanamo Bay, torture, religion, and the state of the media.

Video and transcript

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article12270.htm

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The 48 Hour Media-blitz for War with Iran

By Mike Whitney

Beyond the political speechmaking are literally hundreds of articles, full of the same predictable fictions and demagoguery which have mischaracterized Iran's nuclear program from the get-go; fueling the hysteria for another preemptive war. Did Iran become nuclear superpower overnight?
http://informationclearinghouse.info/article12276.htm

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Externalizing the Cost of War

By Charles Sullivan

We should wage war with the plutocrats that have hijacked our country. If the rulers want war, let them have it; but let them be the ones to do the fighting and the dying. War making is easy for those who are insulated from its consequences. We must make war as costly for our leaders as it is for us. To internalize the cost of war upon those who wage it is to end war.
C
http://informationclearinghouse.info/article12272.htm

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Satan is Resting Easy: The Power of Christ "Propels" Them

BY JASON MILLER

Remember, Big Brother is watching, listening and reading. In light of the illegal surveillance they are conducting at the behest of their incompetent, rogue, and murderous Commander-in-Chief, I am dedicating this essay to the NSA.

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article12279.htm

===
New world relationships

BY Noam Chomsky

THE prospect that Europe and Asia might move toward greater independence has troubled US planners since World War II. The concerns have only risen as the 'tripolar order' - Europe, North America and Asia - has continued to evolve. Every day, Latin America, too, is becoming more independent. Now Asia and the Americas are strengthening their ties while the reigning superpower, the odd man out, consumes itself in misadventures in the Middle East.

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article12274.htm

Posted by: wv on March 11, 2006 02:35 AM

HealthEOS owner to be acquired by Carlyle

The Business Journal of Milwaukee - February 21, 2006

MultiPlan Inc., the owner of Brookfield preferred provider organization HealthEOS, has agreed to be purchased by global private equity firm The Carlyle Group.

Terms of the transaction, expected to close in the second quarter, were not disclosed.

MultiPlan, based in New York, is the oldest and largest independent PPO in the United States. Its network offers access to more than 4,200 hospitals, 90,000 ancillary care facilities and 450,000 physicians and specialists. It has 2,000 clients, comprised of large and mid-sized insurers, third-party administrators, self-funded plans HMOs and other entities.

Washington, D.C.-based Carlyle, which manages $35 billion, will give the Brookfield operation access to additional capital for more acquisitions, said Bruce Lefco, president and chief executive officer of HealthEOS.

"It gives us a platform to take us to the next level in managed care," Lefco said. "In the past, we've limited acquisitions predominantly to networks. We will look at other things to enhance our core business."

http://milwaukee.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/stories/2006/02/20/daily14.html?t=printable

Posted by: Pat C on March 11, 2006 02:40 AM

Thank you tseka. I wish it were better news.

Posted by: Pat C on March 11, 2006 02:44 AM

Breaking: Sandra Day O'Connor rips into GOP, DeLay, Cornyn, and warns of the "beginnings" of dictatorship

NPR's Nina Totenberg aired an amazing story this morning about a talk that just-resigned Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor gave at Georgetown University. The first woman to serve on the High Court wouldn't allow her actual words to be broadcast, and that's a shame, because -- based on Totenberg's report -- every American needs to hear what she said. The Reagan appointee who became a moderate and an American icon -- Bush v. Gore notwithstanding -- all but named names in thinly veiled attacks on former House majority leader Tom DeLay and Texas Sen. John Cornyn, and ended with a stunning warning.

We transcribed some of the report, which you can listen to here. (UPDATE: Here's a full transcript from Raw Story.)

O'Connor told her Georgetown audience that judges can make presidents, Congress and governors "really really mad," and that if judges don't make people angry, they aren't doing their job. But she said judicial effectiveness is "premised on the notion that we won't be subject to retaliation for our judicial acts." While hailing the American system of rights and privileges, she noted that these don't protect the judiciary, that "people do":

Then, she took aim at former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay. She didn’t name him, but she quoted his attacks on the courts at a meeting of the conservative Christian group Justice Sunday last year, when DeLay took out after the courts for its rulings on abortion, prayer, and the Terry Schiavo case. This, said O’Connor, was after the federal courts had applied Congress' one-time-only statute about Schiavo as it was written, not, said O'Connor, as the Congressman might have wished it were written. The response to this flagrant display of judicial restraint, said O'Conner, her voice dripping with sarcasm, was that the congressman blasted the courts.

It gets worse, she said, noting that death threats against judges are increasing. It doesn’t help, she said, when a high-profile senator suggests there may be a connection between violence against judges and decisions that the senator disagrees with. She didn’t name him, but it was Texas Sen. John Cornyn who made that statement after a Georgia judge was murdered in court and the family of a federal judge in Illinois murdered in the judge's home.
Now, the kicker:

O’Connor observed that there have been a lot of suggestions lately for so-called judicial reforms -- recommendations for the massive impeachment of judges stripping the courts of jurisdictions and cutting judicial budgets to punish offending judges. Any of these might be debatable, she said, as long as they are not retaliation for decision that political leaders disagree with

I, said O’ Connor, am against judicial reforms driven by nakedly partisan reasoning. Pointing to the experiences of developing countries and formerly Communist countries, where interference with an independent judiciary has allowed dictatorship to flourish, O’Connor said we must be ever vigilant against those who would strong-arm the judiciary into adopting their preferred policies. It takes a lot of degeneration before a country falls into dictatorship she said, but we should avoid these ends by avoiding these beginnings.

If Georgetown or anyone else has an audiotape or videotape of the retired justice's words, we would strongly urge them to release it (with her permission). If the NPR report accurately reflects what she said, this rises to the level of President Dwight Eisenhower's 1961 warning about the "military-industrial complex" -- and should be heard by all.


Posted on March 10, 2006 10:28 AM
Comments

http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/002903.html

Posted by: Pat C on March 11, 2006 02:50 AM

Wed Feb 22, 2006

(Reuters) - The Carlyle Group is set to boost its investment in the renewable energy sector as demand from U.S. state entities is rising, the firm's founder and managing director, David Rubenstein, said on Wednesday.

"We intend to be much more active in the wind, power, solar energy, biomass and geothermal areas," Rubenstein said.

"We think it's an extremely attractive area in which to invest, particularly because many states in the U.S. now require that utilities buy a certain percentage of their energy from solar, biomass, geothermal or wind power sources," he told Reuters at a private equity conference in Frankfurt where he also predicted that some buyout firms would go public within the next several years.

To meet the energy demand, Carlyle, one of the world's largest private equity firms, is raising a fund that will invest in renewable energy infrastructure, sources familiar with the matter said.

Rubenstein was speaking at the annual Super Return conference in Germany, where private equity firms came under attack last year from a leading local politician, who branded them "locusts" who buy up companies and cut jobs.

Posted by: Pat C on March 11, 2006 03:01 AM

hmmmm "locusts" an interesting term considering the times.

Posted by: tseka on March 11, 2006 03:11 AM

Want some better news Pat C?
About 30 vultures were floating soaring overhead at sunset amid swirilng snowflakes. An amazing sight in black and white.

The raptor population is abundant this year!

Posted by: tseka on March 11, 2006 03:14 AM

Lovely tseka. Nature lives on in beauty and inspiration. Very powerful.

Posted by: Pat C on March 11, 2006 03:19 AM

I hope this doesn't turn out to be just another Rovian ploy to keep republicans in office. After five years of this crap- I don't trust anything coming out their mouths. Sorry folks, I'm just plum worn out!

http://www.dailykos.com/

SCARBOROUGH: There is no--hold on one second, Katrina. I'll let you talk in a second. I've just got to say this, thought, because I think you've touched on an important point, Karen.

The lack of leadership in Washington, D.C., is sickening. If you look at what Republicans did--promised to do in 1994, when they took control of Congress, and see, how they've been acting over the past three or four years, the biggest debt and deficit ever. They are irresponsible and reckless on so many levels. I'm embarrassed right now to be a Republican. It's a disgrace because of the lack of leadership.

Posted by: abilene on March 11, 2006 03:48 AM

I don't mean to cause any untoward ill feelings, but I just don't see things the same way. I don't think it's a matter of quantifying the numbers, I think it's more a matter of how the collective energies are manifested, and my frame of mind focused on the similarities. Sorry if I ruffled any feathers, but I just don't identify with a group-type mindset much. I tend to see things from the soul level.

Posted by: Peg on March 11, 2006 03:48 AM

Carlyle Group Embraces Telecom
Deal for Japanese Wireless Firm Follows Other Investments

, June 22, 2004

The Carlyle Group said yesterday it would buy one of Japan's largest wireless data providers, the latest in a flurry of activity by the Washington private equity company's telecommunications and media buyout group.

Carlyle led the team purchasing Tokyo-based DDI Pocket for $2.03 billion. Carlyle will own 60 percent of the company, with wireless handset maker Kyocera Corp. owning 30 percent. The seller, Japan's KDDI Corp., the second-largest telecommunications company in Japan, will retain a 10 percent interest.

Carlyle also was part of yesterday's $2 billion purchase of the U.S. and Mexican assets of movie theater chain Loews Cineplex. Bain Capital LLC and Spectrum Equity Investors were partners in that buyout.

The group also has a piece of the $4.3 billion buyout of satellite network owner PanAmSat Corp., which is expected to close this summer. Also pending is Carlyle's $1.7 billion purchase of Verizon Communications Corp.'s local phone business in Hawaii. And 10 months ago, Carlyle was part of a group that bought phone directory company Dex Media Inc. from Qwest Communications International Inc. for $7.05 billion. Carlyle plans to take Dex public in a $1.5 billion stock offering later this year.

"Clearly we feel this is a good time to be buying telecom," said Carlyle spokesman Chris Ullman.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58968-2004Jun21.html

THE PORTS SHOULD BE RUN BY THE INDIVIDUAL STATES

Posted by: Pat C on March 11, 2006 03:56 AM

http://www.truthout.org/multimedia.htm

On Monday, March 6th, Cindy Sheehan and three others were arrested while attempting to deliver a petition to the US Mission at the UN. t r u t h o u t's Rebecca MacNeice was on the ground and filmed the arrests.

Posted by: Pat C on March 11, 2006 04:36 AM

Judi G

Don;t be silly. Dont you go anywhere else because of one person's misunderstanding.

My uncle was a lawyer at Nuremberg. A disgusted lawyer at Nuremberg because of the many that got away with it.

If there's trouble in this country, it's because of the Nazis and their supporters that got away and were placed in the CIA from the 1940's on.

The secret wars the US engaged in - give them credit.

The black ops and torture and killings and instigations of wars across the world - give them credit.

Jew Haters have been with us since the beginning of Judaism - and throughout history - always merchants, traders, business people, educated, and accumulaters of wealth mostly through their own labor.

When kings of England, Spain and many other countries borrowed money from Jews to finance their wars, and it came time to repay the debt - suddenly Jews were no good and expelled from the country - thus cancelling the debt.

Certainly the European Rothschilds have been know for money for centuries (although I;ve never researched where the "Barons" money came from. And since one Jewish name is associated with tremendous wealth and being Jewish....all Jews are
to be blamed for Carlyle, Rockefeller, Ford, Gates, Forbes and all other wealthy people.

Silly girl. Didn't you know that?

Now relax and let's talk about the most important events of the day ---coming fast and furious!!!

Supreme Court Justice O'Connor warning that we need to be careful of dictatorship overtaking this country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Could you believe it!

That's an earthquake in political circles I'll bet.

And Carlyle buying the ports . lol lol lol lol

Did I say that was going to happen in the previous thread? Yes I did. I did . I did.

Gimme an attagirl. hee hee

And now I've had another epiphany. Just wondering how many shares of Halliburton is owned by Carlyle or Bush proper and friends? 25%, 49% - pretty good reason to give Halliburton all the business in Iraq, In New Orleans, and attempt the ports... the people may have won 1, but so what compared to the thousand things they own in America already.

Pretty soon we ought to call it the United States of Halliburton.

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 11, 2006 05:15 AM

Synchronicity.

Funny story of what happened today.

Did I say yesterday on the previous thread that I was disgusted with the democrats and might not work for them this year? Yup. and I got a wuppin from Judi G (which I paid not much attention to :) )

So what happened to day? Doorbell rang. Who was at the door? Democratic candidate running for
Florida state legislator. The bush run republican Florida state legislature. After I finished giving him a lecture and an earful about the Florida voting machines, the insurance companies, the polluted everglades that jebby gave the sugar growers 20 years to clean up if at all......he asked would I work for him and could he call me? HARRRR> Woop. HEEheee.

Think the Universe is trying to tell me something?

The eclipse is in my eleventh house trine Mercury on cusp of fourth.

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 11, 2006 05:27 AM

What do you think this will mean?

March 10, 2006
The Carlyle Group Establishes Infrastructure Investment Team;
Washington, DC – Global private equity firm The Carlyle Group today announced it has established a team to conduct investments in the infrastructure sector, including investments in transportation and water facilities, airports, bridges, ports, stadiums and other public infrastructure.

http://www.thecarlylegroup.com/eng/news/l5-news3323.html

Posted by: on March 11, 2006 08:19 AM

oops, that was me above

Posted by: kiwijeanie on March 11, 2006 08:19 AM

So, the real beast finally rears it's very ugly head.

Behold, the ultimate MegaCorp and Bush/NeoCon Investment Shell Game: Carlyle.

How disgusting. The very name makes my stomach turn. It's like a nasty opportunistic infection running wild in the body, with all of the worst symptoms of immune system breakdown.

And, you know, the more I really think about it, It's as if the United States has HIV, and corporations are the disease.

All of the transactions posted above have Baker and Poppy Bush's fingerprints all over them. I find it disturbing, yet hardly surprising that they would rally to pick up the Dubai port deal. And now, they have even shifted their efforts towards dominating alternative energy development. Guess it wasn't enough for them to foist total oil dependancy upon this nation? Now, they are determined to profit from whatever emerges in the post-Peak Oil aftermath. How utterly revolting.

When the time comes, and we the people fight back, disincorporation of this putrid monstrosity, along with Halliburton, GE and the other "Death Merchants" must take urgent priority. I'm not just speaking positively here. I'm putting that vibe out into the universe.

Posted by: NEOBuckeye on March 11, 2006 09:45 AM

For the record, Carlyle is hardly news to me. But I long suspected, with Pluto inching towards Capricorn and all, that things were going to go down something like this.

As much as I didn't want to believe it.

Posted by: NEOBuckeye on March 11, 2006 10:01 AM

Judi Gemini

Of course Kaminski's article was disgusting, horrible, untrue, inflammatory, and as many politicians love to say lately "just plain wrong"... BUT, please lets face the facts (and I was born Jewish though am now agnostic) that we have Wolfowitz, Perle, Scooter Libby, Chertoff, Rabbi Dov Zakheim (former Pentagon comptroller) Stephen Hadley, Doug Feith, David Wurmser, Michael Ledeen, Bill Kristol, Charles Krautheimer, Jonah Goldberg, Michael Savage (what a name!) Leo Strauss (intellectual Godfather of the neo-cons), Abramoff, the recently indicted AIPAC people. etc. , etc. who (though admittedly along with Rumsfeld, Cheney, Gonzales, and many other non Jews) have seemed to very strongly favor Israeli interests to the detriment of U.S. interests.

At least some of these people reportedly (I don't know facts or details here) hold dual U.S./Israeli citizenship, and without sounding overly conspiratorial, I read that before Feith (#3 in the Pentagon) was fairly recently thrown out, supposedly many high ranking military officers from Israel enjoyed the type of almost unfettered access to the innermost sanctum there denied even to many top U.S. military people.

Sorry to have to make what is surely to be a highly controversial statement here, but if anyone thinks that rabid, unwavering, and almost unconditional support for Israel (taking precedence over long term U.S. interests) by many powerful/influential Jewish people inside the beltway is not an integral part of the neo-con problem/grand agenda, then from my point of view, please do wake up and smell the coffee as they say.

Posted by: Grizzly on March 11, 2006 10:06 AM

Grizzly, I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you. With the exception of Leo Strauss - who taught the boyz the basics of fascism out of Chicago University - lets drop this pretense of neo anything. And let's not forget that people like Kissinger and Strauss are more German than Jew. Their formative years were under the rising wave of Nazism which was successfully exported along with them...but let's not forget either who brought them here and who they worked for..Rockefeller. Look it up.

The United States foreign policy "unwavering support for Israel" has not one smidgeon to do with unwavering support for Israel. Just as you and others have fallen into the trap, its all Israels fault - the bushcrowd's convenient patsy especially in this matter. And just as stupid Jews supported Hitler, stupid Jews (Aipac) have supported bushco thinking he would protect Israel.
Bullfrog. Israel until the last 10 to 15 years was the only place the US could land a jet without being shot at - and the US will have "unwavering support" for Israel as long as they are needed and its convenient. But dont be
surprised to hear the party line you are repeating in the future - when its no longer convenient - "It's all the CIA's fault, It's all Tenet's fault, it's all Israel's fault. Unfortunately with the wizened old Sharon no longer around, who fought the British and remembered well how the US didn't come to the aid of boatloads of Jews saved from the concentration camps, the younger government may fall right into the US trap and be the fall guy.

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 11, 2006 10:51 AM

Does anybody here really think that junior has a blind trust and he doesn't know it's totally invested in Carlyle? And that by privatizing every segment he increases his own fortune? What-
the UAE invested 8 Billion with Carlyle - gee could that have been to buy ports with? and if they bought ports, or infrastructure, wouldn't it increase Junior's wealth?

Puhleeeeez. How stupid do they think we are?

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 11, 2006 10:55 AM

Add to the lil horror's "poor" in this multi-poll. ;O) http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060310055109990003

Posted by: JoannaOregon on March 11, 2006 12:32 PM

"The biggest losses were among white males."... Yup.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on March 11, 2006 12:35 PM


Slobodan Milosevic Found Dead in Cell

Mar 11, 9:30 AM (ET)

By ARTHUR MAX

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - Slobodan Milosevic, the former Yugoslav leader, who was branded "the butcher of the Balkans" and was on trial for war crimes after orchestrating a decade of bloodshed during the breakup of his country, was found dead Saturday in his prison cell. He was 64.

Milosevic, who suffered chronic heart ailments and high blood pressure, apparently died of natural causes and was found in his bed, the U.N. tribunal said, without giving an exact time of death.

He had been examined by doctors following his frequent complaints of fatigue or ill health that delayed his trial, but the tribunal could not immediately say when he last underwent a medical checkup. All detainees at the center in Scheveningen are checked by a guard every half hour.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060311/D8G9DUD00.html

Posted by: wv on March 11, 2006 02:47 PM

NYTimes Editorial

March 11, 2006

About That Rebellion ...

We keep hearing that the Republicans in Congress are in revolt against the president.

Some rebellion.

Yes, the Republicans defied President Bush on the United Arab Emirates ports deal. But it wasn't over a major principle, like the collapse of Congressional supervision of the executive branch or the incredibly lax security in the nation's ports, or even the security issues posed by this particular deal.

The Republicans dumped the ports deal into the harbor because of xenophobia and electoral tactics. Republican pollsters have been saying the president could be a liability in the fall elections, so lawmakers posed as rebels for voters who, they think, want rebels. They know those voters are unhappy about globalization, and specifically hostile toward Arabs.

The idea that a happy few are charging the White House ramparts is ridiculous. Republican lawmakers don't just turn a blind eye when they learn that the president is making profoundly bad choices, like cutting constitutional corners, abrogating treaties and even breaking the law. They actually legalize the president's misdeeds.

Take domestic spying, held up as another area of Republican revolt. The program violates the law. Congress knows it. The public knows it. Even President Bush knows it. (He just says the law doesn't apply to him.) In response, the Capitol Hill rebels are boldly refusing to investigate the program — or any other warrantless spying that is going on. They are trying to rewrite the law to legalize warrantless spying. And meanwhile, they've created new subcommittees to help the president go on defying the law.

Over the last couple of years, Republican lawmakers have been given proof that American soldiers and intelligence agents abused, tortured and even killed prisoners, or sent them to other countries to be tortured. Without hesitation, the Republicans did nothing — no serious investigation, no accountability.

Congressional and White House negotiators then watered down the new anti-torture law, which Mr. Bush said did not really apply to him anyway. And they passed another law actually encouraging the abuse of prisoners by allowing the use of coerced evidence at hearings on the prisoners' status.

After 9/11, Mr. Bush created a network of prisons outside the American legal system so he could hold people indefinitely without any hearings. When the Supreme Court said twice that he was reaching beyond his powers, the Republicans in Congress were determined not to let this assault on the rule of law continue. So they rose as one, and legalized the president's actions. In case there was any confusion about its resolve, Congress told the courts that they could no longer rule on these matters. Mr. Bush got the message, loud and clear. He sent his lawyers right out to inform the judges, including the Supreme Court, that they had to drop all the cases that were already before them.

And all this does not even include the act of open rebellion by which the Senate is helping the White House cover up the hyping of intelligence on Iraq.

With rebels like these, who needs loyalists?


Posted by: wv on March 11, 2006 03:01 PM

Break it down. Jewish people on the whole do not reflect Israeli gov't. We the People here in the US do not reflect *Co. Get to the heart of the matter and focus on the administration and not the citizens. Prejudice in all forms is ugly. Will admit my ugly fault, I'm prejudice against NeoConartistbastards no matter which religion they were born into. That ilk has nothing to do with a loving conciousness, their own or others. They are cruel and most likely emotional child battered sociopaths and psychotics.

Pallas made a great point of how historically the Jews have been used through their education to support gov'ts who later backstabbed them. However, karmically if Jews were loaning money for wars then blowback was being set up. The backstabbing just played the exterior role in the macrocasm. Karma is not prejudice.

I too feel that the US is playing Israel like the conflicted troubled conartist Big Brother that it (pretends) to be.

Posted by: bhakti on March 11, 2006 03:33 PM

I've been trying to re-access that article, but I can't for some reason. I really didn't take it in the same vein that ya'll are commenting about & wanted to see why I missed it. I apologize if any sensibilities were disturbed, it was not my intention. I do believe that these issues HAVE to be discussed and examined, but I'm aware that whenever it's been done on this forum, things get a little too heated and I don't like to have Sally's wonderful website become some sort of battleground. Besides which, this eclipse coming up is kicking my butt, and with Mercury opp. my natal Mars, I want to tread very carefully with all I hold dear (which includes this lovely refuge filled with lovely people).

Posted by: Peg on March 11, 2006 03:51 PM

Bhakti, that was a good point you made (which I was just about to in this comment) i.e. that most citizens`of israel don't agree with or support their govt. and/or the neocons (either Israeli or American) just as (finally!) most Americans don't agree with or any longer support Bushco's disastrous policies.

I fully understand, as a result of history, the Jews' obsession with their security and survival, and I'm really glad Israel exists for this reason.

My point is that currently a relatively small number of radical right wing Jews (once again, along with Cheney, Rummy, etc.) have virtually hijacked American foreign policy, allowing in my opinion their blind loyalty to Israel to totally trump any concern they may have for the current and future stability (and indeed even viability) of the U.S.

Sorry, but to me these people are at the very least borderline treasonous, as they are currently pushing hard behind the scenes for potentially apocalyptic military action (with tactical nukes even being seriously considered) against Iran, being very strongly goaded on by Israel's govt. even though these people have to be aware of the dire consequences for everyone on the planet, not least the U.S., if these insane plans should be allowed to go forward.

Posted by: Grizzly on March 11, 2006 04:12 PM

Grizzley...I was pointing out tha 'jew' might have been the word this article was not saying. Israeli government is one thing....and yes, that was a horrible article, one which would have been horrible no matter who was being talked about, let along Jews, but that means it is smearing all Jews ('round 'mem up, all of them, like the Japanese americans incarcerated here in WWII)....I was reading the comments to the article...that even made me more upset. Anyway, Israeli government people will die off, to be replaced by others....that doesn't mean Jews should be that target. Karma....it comes to all, not just Jews...what about the frigging Muslim/Catholic/Pretestant fiascos of the past? Turks murdering Armenians, Catholics killing protestants, and vice versa, Protestants killing Quakers and other sects, etc....you just can't smear all people (and that goes for the democrat/republican thing) with the same yellow star. Intellectual laxness is not a good thing, and I know I am as guilty as anyone else here on that point.

Posted by: judiGem on March 11, 2006 05:27 PM

Dear Pallas,

Are you going to accept the job offer to help the Florida Democratic challenger?

Or did I misunderstand your comments. Were you just joking around? I can't tell.

Posted by: Beverly on March 11, 2006 06:57 PM


This is a very long and informative piece about
Zionism in the 20th Century. Much of it I already
knew, much of it is new to me. However, I think
Mr. Freedman's speech is a good read (it was given
in 1961 after he had converted to Christianity).
Zionism is a political movement - and in my mind,
at least, not to be confused with Judaism. Although many Zionist are now insisting that anti-
Zionism is anti-Seminism. Bullshit! Most on this
board are anti-Republican, that doesn't make you
anti-American. Too, I have never found in my studies that there were 6 million Jews in Europe
in 1940. I know that it is estimated 6 million
people were murdered in WWII in Europe but that
included many many others.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm

Posted by: wv on March 11, 2006 09:03 PM


Bush Jokes Are No Longer Funny

By Gerald Rellick
3-11-6

There was time when Bush jokes and cartoons were funny. I still maintain a large collection of them myself. But it's difficult to look at them now or those in the papers. It would be like a decent German citizen looking at Hitler cartoons in the Berlin newspapers in 1945, if such were allowed, as Germany was turned into rubble day by day. Bush humor-if there ever was any -- is long gone. It represents a dilemma of sorts for political cartoonists. What more can they do? George Bush is a totally failed president - without doubt the worst president in American history, and he is doing his best-albeit probably unconsciously - to bring the country slowly, but inexorably, to ruin. The Republican Congress is totally spineless, trying nothing more to cling to some concept they call "power," although they too realize at bottom that "Bush is the worst." How does one poke fun at all this dreadfulness? Humor, which always clings precariously to truth, has lost its edge, overpowered by gruesome reality.

http://www.rense.com/general69/funny.htm

Posted by: wv on March 11, 2006 09:58 PM


Blogged by Brad on 3/10/2006 @ 12:50pm PT...

OH MY OHIO: Third Election Official Indicted on Charges of Gaming 2004 Presidential Recount!
All Three Still Allowed to Work at Cuyahoga County Board Even While Under Indictment...
In case you don't know, the ballots from the 2004 Presidential Election in Ohio have never actually been counted . Or even recounted. The "official" recount, called for by the...

In case you don't know, the ballots from the 2004 Presidential Election in Ohio have never actually been counted. Or even recounted.

The "official" recount, called for by the Green and Libertarian Parties in the state, was gamed and carried out completely against state law by Ohio's Sec. of State (and Bush/Cheney's Re-Election Committee Co-Chair) J. Kenneth Blackwell.

The Green and Libertarian Parties are still challenging that recount in Federal Court. As well, two Cuyahoga County Election Officials were indicted last August for gaming that (non)recount.

And today, AP informs us, a third one has just been nabbed as well...

http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002531.htm

Posted by: wv on March 11, 2006 10:02 PM

WV...finaally, 'spineless' used where it really belongs...to the current crop in Congress of the rethug falvor....

Posted by: judiGem on March 11, 2006 10:09 PM

Hey...can you imagine what Milosovic's life review must have been like? If there is a 'hell', then he has to be headed for it even as we speak....

Posted by: judiGem on March 11, 2006 10:10 PM


Is this why Norton left?

Oil spill estimate increased for pipeline leak in Alaska
North Slope mishap among worst in system's three-decade history

- Sam Howe Verhovek, Los Angeles Times
Saturday, March 11, 2006


Seattle -- Officials raised their estimate of the amount of oil leaked from a corroded pipeline at the northern tip of Alaska to at least 265,000 gallons Friday, making it the largest spill on record in the oil-rich North Slope field -- and one of the worst in the 29-year history of the Trans-Alaska Pipeline system.

The report by Alaska's Department of Environmental Conservation added grist to the debate over President Bush's push to drill for oil in the nearby Arctic National Wildlife Refuge; industry advocates say the drilling can be done with minimal ecological impact, but environmentalists contend it would threaten the fragile ecosystem.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/03/11/MNGFDHMH581.DTL&type=printable

Posted by: wv on March 11, 2006 10:50 PM


Is this why Norton "retired"?

Oil spill estimate increased for pipeline leak in Alaska

North Slope mishap among worst in system's three-decade history

- Sam Howe Verhovek, Los Angeles Times
Saturday, March 11, 2006


Seattle -- Officials raised their estimate of the amount of oil leaked from a corroded pipeline at the northern tip of Alaska to at least 265,000 gallons Friday, making it the largest spill on record in the oil-rich North Slope field -- and one of the worst in the 29-year history of the Trans-Alaska Pipeline system.

The report by Alaska's Department of Environmental Conservation added grist to the debate over President Bush's push to drill for oil in the nearby Arctic National Wildlife Refuge; industry advocates say the drilling can be done with minimal ecological impact, but environmentalists contend it would threaten the fragile ecosystem.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/03/11/MNGFDHMH581.DTL&type=printable

Posted by: wv on March 11, 2006 10:54 PM


More fun from Fiore...

http://www.sfgate.com/comics/fiore/

Posted by: wv on March 11, 2006 10:59 PM

Just like Gerald Rellick ~(Posted by wv on March 11, 2006 09:58 PM) I too can no longer find any humor in any type of Bush joke, cartoon, satire etc. . . .I use to really enjoy The Dailey Show but can no longer bear to watch ~ This horrendous mess created by Bush is so appalling, search as I may, I can no longer find even a little bit of humor.

Posted by: Starrynights/SN on March 11, 2006 11:43 PM

Morgana, you get snowed in? I was blacked out AGAIN last night for more than an hour....and then I saw the news about the huge 28 car pile up in Sausolito (with fatalities!)....we had 3-4 hail storms and my son in law who was in Santa Cruz for work had to come home via Pacific Coast Hwy because !7 was closed due to snow.

Bay Area is NOT used to cold weather an snow, so it is worse when it hits here....people have no idea how to handle it.

Posted by: judiGem on March 11, 2006 11:51 PM

Starrynights....you know, I feel somewhat the same...I think tho it is because we have lived with our knowledge of the 'outcome'....and now that it is here, it is so sickening that we turn away. I agree with WV, I think Norton is going to get really vilified, and will go down in history along with her scumbag former boss, James Watts, as the most dangerous people in our enviornmental fight...

Posted by: judiGem on March 11, 2006 11:53 PM

Norton retired.............also they're selling off National Forest, maybe that's one step too far for her, think C T Whitman, That's 3 big reasons.
Speaking of retiring; Sandra Day o'Conner. I WAS watching cspan 2 years ago when she was dedicating the Constitution Center in Phila. The proscenium arch just missed falling on her when it fell over. Knocked her down. Remember how Judge Renquist was attacked on the street several years ago? Then he got cancer.
( Just like Martha Mitchell, who was attacked in her hotel room, where she had gone as a "safe place" to stay. She was talking on the phone to Helen Thomas when thugs broke into her room & injected her in the rear. After that she got cancer! AND DIED!) ( read Thomas's autobiography)

The small organic farmers downeast are making a ruckus!
They are trying to push thru a law that ALL FARM ANIMALS MUST HAVE AN ID CHIP!~ Farmers will have to file a written report with a fee, every time that animal leaves the farm. ( Fairs are 2-3 hour drives from our area, which is difficult enough with high fuel prices, adding this new time user is financially devestating in the context of say; 25 chickens. Not enough profit to cover it!
At a meeting in Ellsworth today I hear that several of the farmers threw pans of an "undefined substance" gooey animal feed? at the state AG Agent & State Vet.!!!

Found another dialogue opener for casual encounters.
" Did you know the Government is bankrupt?" They have to sell off the National Forests for operating funds." It does an endrun around that Repug devisive noise, & goes straight to the heart of the matter!
It worked really well on the sweet young thing dispensing coffee at the Coffee Express today. She was prepared to listen to more info!
Try it would be fun if it weren't so deadly serious.
PQ

Posted by: Pat Sharp on March 12, 2006 12:02 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/12/politics/12repubs.htm

Perhaps Mars/Uranus has today karmically removed a major hawk w/ more than a few screws loose from the political scene.

John McCain has finally shown his true colors in an article that will haunt his every shapeshifting/BS Express step in his obsessive-compulsive hunger for the WH - be it V.P. or Prez. Like * he has sold his soul to the dark force.(imo).

Posted by: Kat119 on March 12, 2006 12:16 AM


A Veteran Writes Bush, Returns Navy Wings and Bars

Candide's Notebook reports on the letter retired Florida Public Defender Joseph DuRocher, now a law professor, sent President Bush on Monday. The letter was accompanied by his shoulder bars and navy wings.

As a citizen, a patriot, a parent and grandparent, a lawyer and law teacher I am left with such a feeling of loss and helplessness. I think of myself as a good American and I ask myself what can I do when I see the face of evil? Illegal and immoral war, torture and confinement for life without trial have never been part of our Constitutional tradition. But my vote has become meaningless because I live in a safe district drawn by your political party. My congressman is unresponsive to my concerns because his time is filled with lobbyists' largess. Protests are limited to your "free speech zones", out of sight of the parade. Even speaking openly is to risk being labeled un-American, pro-terrorist or anti-troops. And I am a disciplined pacifist, so any violent act is out of the question.

Nevertheless, to remain silent is to let you think I approve or support your actions. I do not. So, I am saddened to give up my wings and bars. They were hard won and my parents and wife were as proud as I was when I earned them over forty years ago. But I hate the torture and death you have caused more than I value their symbolism. Giving them up makes me cry for my beloved country.

[Via Sideshow.]

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014265.html

Posted by: Pat C on March 12, 2006 12:40 AM

ELISABETH BUMILLER and DAVID E. SANGER: NYT March 12, 2006

Inside the White House, the staff is exhausted and the mood is defiant. Republicans are clamoring for a new chief of staff, the West Wing just cut its losses on a deal that would have given a Dubai company control of some terminal operations at six American ports and President Bush's approval rating is at record lows.

But senior staff members insist that Mr. Bush is in good spirits, that calls from his party to inject new blood to the White House make him ever more stubborn to keep the old and that he has become so inured to outside criticism that he increasingly tunes it out. There is no sense of crisis, they say, even over rebellious Republicans in Congress, because the White House has been in almost constant crisis since Sept. 11, 2001, and Mr. Bush has never had much regard for Congress anyway.

"You know, people say to me, my buddies in Texas, 'How do you handle all this stuff?' " Mr. Bush said at a gathering of newspaper editors Friday in Washington. "You know, it's just after a while you get used to it."

Staff members, many of whom have been with Mr. Bush since he first ran for president in 1999, responded on Friday in a now-familiar way: To mark the three-year anniversary of the start of the Iraq war, they announced that Mr. Bush would give a new round of speeches, starting Monday at George Washington University.

As always, there will be no change in policy. Mr. Bush will talk, they said, about new progress in defeating "improvised explosive devices," and argue that the televised pictures of rising casualties and sectarian fighting obscure progress under way. ...

... They have a transmitter but not a listening device," said one well-known Republican ... ... their answer is, ... ... we've got to get our message out better.' There's denial going on and it starts at the top." ...

... "They have a plan — an elaborate plan of the president's message, day by day. But there's something in the system that has a hard time coping with the unexpected," ...

... Asked if he was surprised that the White House had not worked with the company to defend or restructure the [port] deal, [Senator John] Warner said, "I don't get surprised by anything anymore."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/12/politics/12bush.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print

Posted by: Pat C on March 12, 2006 12:41 AM


Bush at the Tipping Point

By Ralph Nader

George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, two top outlaws smashing our country's rule of law and democratic liberties, are testing the American people's resistance. Every day they are testing. Every day they think by flaunting the words, "war on terror", they can get Americans to concede more and more of what makes the United States a constitutionally-abiding government under the rule of law.

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article12293.htm

Posted by: wv on March 12, 2006 01:56 AM


Kat119

McCain sold out years ago. He really is and
always has been a nasty bastard!

Posted by: wv on March 12, 2006 02:01 AM

wv,

I guess when you think of what happened in Europe as a result of the "ethnic cleaning," one person dying is too much, and some might say it's silly to argue over how many million. I think it's important to get as close to the real numbers as possible, just as we want to know the real numbers associated with the Iraq war. Wikepedia writes that most estimates of the total number killed (this doesn't include the military) fall into the 9-11 million range, although some have quoted estimates of up to 26 million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust

Posted by: Sharon on March 12, 2006 02:23 AM


Sharon:

This is one of my sources

http://www.rense.com/general62/aauc.htm

Posted by: wv on March 12, 2006 03:02 AM


Terry

This is one of the sources for my remarks above -
there are others...

Michael Collins Piper's The Final Judgment

The US mainstream media mentions many theories as to who killed John F. Kennedy on November 22nd, 1963: Cuban exiles, the family of South Vietnamese President Ngo Dinh Diem, Fidel Castro, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev, LBJ, the Mafia (getting close) and the CIA (right). But the US mainstream media never mentions one prime suspect: Israel. Could it be that those who control the US mainstream media do not want this explanation even mentioned?

Michael Collins Piper's book, The Final Judgment, provides evidence in support of the theory that JFK was assassinated in a combined Mossad/CIA operation because he was an obstacle both to Israel's development of the atomic bomb and (since JFK was planning to withdraw from Vietnam) to the continuation of the CIA's heroin-smuggling operations in South-East Asia.

This book was first published in 1994. It was reissued as a paperback in 2000 but Amazon now lists it as "out of stock", and available only as a used book (priced at US$155 — over six times the original list price of US$25).

Below are given all eleven reviews of this book which appear on Amazon's website (as at 2003-11-22) and at the end is a message on this subject from Wade Frazier

http://www.serendipity.li/zionism/final_jgmt_reviews.htm

Posted by: wv on March 12, 2006 03:07 AM

wv,

I imagine you are well aware of the fact that Auschwitz was not the only death camp. Also, in spite of the research scientist sayinig that he worked there and did not see the gas chambers, there are many photos (take by the liberators) and various other artifacts disiplayed in the many museums that attest to these events.

Posted by: Sharon on March 12, 2006 03:21 AM


Sharon

I was 15 when the war ended and I saw all of the
pictures in Life Magazine and in the newreels at
the cinema...so I am very aware. I have seen TV
shows since, and I know it was only too real. I
only question the numbers, since they are still
revising them downward. I have read that there
were not 6 million Jews in Europe in 1940 - but
have failed to establish that statement through
census figures for the day.
In 1953 while in the sevice in Europe a Jewish
friend invited me to visit the concentration camp
outside of Munich, the whole idea didn't appeal to
me, and I am glad I didn't go as he was an emotional wreck when he got back.
I have been to the Holocust Museam in DC, it was
quite an experience.

Posted by: wv on March 12, 2006 03:41 AM


There Are Criminals, and Then There Are CRIMINALS

By Cindy Sheehan

As I lie here in bed recuperating from the injuries that I received from a federal agent and the NYPD in front of the US Mission to the UN the other day, I have had time to reflect on the experience, the state of our union and its descent into a fascist state.

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article12295.htm

Posted by: wv on March 12, 2006 03:47 AM

Hi everybody...

Sharon, I love you, but where did you get this information?

“ Peg, I definitely see your point, yet there are differences that are sometimes important. The Nazis were just crazy with their ideas of ethnic cleansing. If the numbers are right, they exterminated not only 6 million Jews but 6 more million Russians, Gypsys, Poles and others.”

There are several websites online that give stats for deaths during WWII. This particular one is The Twentieth Century Atlas. They list the countries alphabetically, so first one is China and they break it down into categories for each country: military, civilian and all. They also list 12 - 14 sources, with their numbers; i.e. Harper Collins, Ellis, Compton's, Info. Please, Clodfelter,
Britannica, Small & Singer, Encarta, Keegan, Kinder, Urlanis, Eckhardt, and MEDIAN.

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/ww2stats.htm Assuredly this is not the only site online. Google it up - World War II European Casualties...

I’m not here to argue about how many Jews died. However many died it was too many. Far too many people died in far too many countries in WWII.

Our military is killing Iraqis and they’re on the move to invade many more countries and many more people. This is not a conspiracy... Rumsfeld says we are in a “Long War”... We have 14 ‘Enduring Freedom’ military bases under construction in the ME.

I agree completely with Pallas about the USA using Israel as a pawn. They learned that trick from the Brits. Moreover, I am beginning to wonder if the system of nation/states is breaking down completely with multinational corporations actually controlling the money and the power. Too few people understand how we are all being used and abused... how the multinationals like Carlyle Group are using psyops to divide us. This kind of breakdown, fragmentation, Balkanization is what is going on in Iraq. And it does not help the situation when we learn that Israel is using this same tool, describes it in papers like the ‘Clean Break’ by PNAC and others – one of which came to light today. Certainly all Neocons are not Jewish. As Grizzly posted above, there are a small number of them who are... but they highly influential in this government... in league with folks like Cheney and Rumsfeld who are using them and their

People have questions... and when the dialog gets shut down because folks feel attacked... the people with the questions will go elsewhere for dialog and answers.

Posted by: on March 12, 2006 06:26 AM

Sorry --- that was my post above

and on edit... Wikipedia is edited constantly by whomever wants to add information.

Posted by: Jo on March 12, 2006 06:28 AM

WV - and Grizzly

Rense's article and the "authorities" he quoted are quite suspect. For the German "scientist" to
deny there were gas chambers (showers) and the numbers reminds me of some of the people ex nazis who can be found around Europe , still with their uniforms, and regalia. As a matter of fact it reminds me of the kind of propaganda put out by Cheney and Rumsfeld.

Actually, although the Nazis' program was to eradicate the Jewish "race" they killed even more Russians, and when they were through with that gays, gypsies, poles, czechs, anyone and everyone who fell into their grasp.

Out of my family, 85 relatives in Europe went to the chambers. One, a young boy at the time made it to Israel. So if you extrapolate - one family
losing 85 uncles, aunts, cousins, what do you think the actual figures might be?

But we'll never know how many Jewish lampshades were made, or ashes of bones were buried in the German soil. How can you count ash?

Is this really an argument to be made 60 years after the fact?

Grizzly, you're now in an environment that has historically known to be extremely prejudiced. Don't take off your filters or your thinking cap.

Nor should you WV.

As I said we'll never know the true numbers, but if you consider that today in the entire world there are only 13 million Jews in the entire world - a very small percentage of the world population, even with concerted effort by some sects to replace the Jews that were lost to the Nazis, ..they must have all gone somewhere. Where? Mars?

Nevertheless, in total there were estimates after the war, that between 14 and 26 million of all nationalities died at the hands of the Nazis.

Makes me think of a German woman I met who grew up near the Black Forest, near one of the concentration camps.
One day there was a similar discussion and she was asked, how could the German people not know what was going on. She said" Well, we smelled something funny but we didn't know what was going on."

And what does the world think of us for not stopping bush at abugraib and his other torture chambers around the world?

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 12, 2006 08:09 AM

Beverly,

I dont know what I'll do yet.

Been working on something else so I haven't had a lot of time to think it over.

But the fellow is running against a very popular entrenched incumbent. Nevertheless it might be an interesting experience. I just have't had time to think about it.

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 12, 2006 08:14 AM

By the way, further to the rather unpleasant discussion about how many went to the chambers,
not all were sent to the chambers. Can you count how many were shot on the spot, or in the Polish uprising? or went to jails and were never seen again?

Did I mention that I'll be in Paris next month?

There is a church, I think as a matter of fact
it's Notre Dame - where they have narrow winding steps going down to a dark passageway which leads to a tunnel...and over the passageway, there's a sign and a memorial " Through this tunnel 200,000 French Jews passed and were never seen again".

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 12, 2006 08:21 AM

Jo, wv, all,
I haven't had the time to reseach this appropriately but I had a book at one time (and I believe I have another one in my library) that describes the Jewish communities in Europe before WWII. Particularly in Poland, there were numerous thriving towns and villages with large academies of learning in places such as Vilna and Kiev, etc., and many, many more areas of Poland, Russia, Lithauania, with smaller populations living in Belgium, Holland, Germany, France. But most Jews in Europe called Poland home and most of these people were killed. It really is silly to quibble over the numbers. Since apparently the numbers are now in question (I got my quick info from Wikepedia; don't know much about Wikepedia as a source but had thought it was fairly reliable), it seems that there is no way to know whether the total number of all people killed in camps, ghettos, and shot in the street(excluding the military) is 6 million or 12 million or a little less or more, so why comment either way? From what I've seen in a cursory way, there is much conflicting information.

Be well.

Posted by: Sharon on March 12, 2006 08:28 AM

Obviously to any sane, rational person the Holocaust was one of the (if not THE) major tragedies of human history, and millions of Jews (yes along with others, but in no other case was a whole religious/ethnic group decimated in such huge numbers) unquestionably were slaughtered in the most horrific ways.

I totally agree with the quote: "NEVER FORGET!"

That said, my whole point here is that the horrible recent history of the Jewish people in Europe should emphatically NOT allow anyone to raise the specter of anti-semitism when a small cadre of ultra-right wing, delusional Jews are (justifiably) being accused (once again along with many non-Jews) of totally destroying America's reputation worldwide (of course our country was always far from perfect, but until recently was never perceived internationally as the out of control/ rogue/outlaw/borderline fascist, highly
dangerous nation as now), destroying our once proud military, bankrupting the country, destroying totally our "soft power", etc., stripping away domestically our most basic civil liberties, etc.,etc., with one of the primary (yet unacknowledged) goals here giving "extra security" to Israel.

Sure, I know that someone like Cheney is only using Israel, and would gladly totally abandon it instantaneously if it no longer served his geo-political purposes, but hopefully everyone here will recognize that the neocon/Jewish connection is something which cannot and should not be denied, and perhaps its even more important that we Jewish posters on this board fully recognize this, so in the future if there erupts a new wave of anti-semitism here because of Wolfie, Perle, Feith, Libby, Hadley, etc. we can say that we recognized and called them out early on what they did, "called a spade a spade", and fought as hard as we could to stop them, so don't try now to wrongly paint every person born Jewish with the same brush!!!

Finally, frankly I'd really much rather that we all from this time forward, put 100% of our energies, efforts, and focus on stopping ALL members of Bushco as best we can, while there is still (hopefuly) a chance our and other like minded voices in the blogosphere can make the crucial difference.

Posted by: Grizzly on March 12, 2006 09:04 AM

To those who profess that their remarks are not anti semetic i ask, why are you separating the jews in the Bush administration from the entire group. It smells a mile away, one senses it in the gut.

You can use your sources till the "cows come home" nothing can deny that a whole generation of Jews were wiped off the face of the planet because they were Jews. In every generation there are those who single out blame and wish to destroy the Jewish people. This week we celebrate Purim, and it asks us never to forget that fact and we won't-even though there are those who search the data banks, play hocus pokus with numbers to do so.

Posted by: terry on March 12, 2006 12:13 PM


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Will the real conservatives please stand up?
- Ira Eisenberg

Friday, March 10, 2006

Like many of you, I have watched with growing alarm the ominous starboard tack of our ship of state under the command of President Bush. But when the debate over presidential power erupted following revelations that this administration has been secretly spying on Americans in violation of the Constitution and federal law, a troubling question occurred to me. Where have all the conservatives gone?

I'm old enough to remember when real conservatives valued freedom over security, and stood for strictly limited government, fiscal discipline, the sanctity of constitutional checks and balances and the rule of law over obeisance to power. I also have vivid, if not entirely fond, memories of that archetypal American conservative, Arizona Sen. Barry Goldwater, the GOP candidate for president in 1964, whose declaration that "extremism in defense of liberty is no vice" helped clinch an historic landslide victory for his opponent, Democrat Lyndon Baines Johnson.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/03/10/EDGU9GJF5U1.DTL&type=printable

Posted by: wv on March 12, 2006 02:06 PM


Jo

Thank you for that source, it certainly is an eye
opener. When one is trying to google up information one much be right on, on how you post
the topic. I am so glad you come out once in a while to set us back on the path.

Grizzly

Amen to your comments. I am deeply, deeply concerned about those you named and other Zionists
and pro-Zionists influence on the Government of
the United States. It seems to me they are in every level of government, where they are more
concerned with Israel's interests, and promote them, then they are about the USA's.
This is a subject that needs to be openly discussed, and not attacked by the ADL and other
such orginizations. No other group besides corporations, and Christian right has such enormous power. Last I heard this was still a
Democracy for all...with an equal voice for all.
We are steadily losing those rights. It is NOT
anti-Semitic to discuss Zionism and the Zionist agenda. Now, admitedly, there
are only a few on the surface promoting this program but Bush and Cheney and Gonzales and the
Republican party bought it hook, line and sinker,
after Clinton turned them down.
The Israeli financial system has nearly tanked,
and we are supporting it to the tune of $3 billion
plus per year, while cutting out benefits to our
own veterans, poor, children, etc. It is time for our
Congress to be freed from the threat of not going
along with Israel. It is long past the time that
the people of this country can speak out against
Zionism without being labeled an anti-Semite. It
is time that Israel signed the non-poliferation
treaty and joined the IAEA. And it is time to get
out of Palestine and give those people their freedom and treat them like human beings. Give them the security they want for themselves. There
will never be peace in the middle-east until that
is done. Following the policies of the pro-Zionist
cabal in Washington is just creating more terrorists. I am so tired of the hypocricy.

Pallas
I know there are Holocust deniers - they are WRONG, but they don't deserve 3 years in an Austrian prison. It bothers me that Freedom of Speech is going by the wayside all over the world.
Methinks 'political correctness' has gone too far.
Regardless, how 'far out' some are, they entitled
to their thoughts. With falling newspaper and
magazine sales, and tumbling television and radio
ratings, most people - those who think -will be
getting practically all of their information online - then only going to sites that back up their point of view.
Maybe if the Candidate wins he will take you to
Washington where you'll have more input.
Paris in the Spring, what more could you ask. Riots at Sorbonne, very 1968.

Sharon
I always enjoy your posts. By the way there are
some good garlic recipes in the Magazine section
of Ha'artz this weekend.

Posted by: wv on March 12, 2006 02:56 PM

Every single group of people, whether it is race, nationality, or religion, has been conquered, abused, murdered, and pilloried. I have witnessed bigotry coming from all of them and witness bigotry focused on all of them. It's an ugly thing in all cases, and strangely everyone involved feels perfectly justified. Amazing. Look at human history. It's riddled with greed and bigotry. It's also filled with remorse and justice. Our history is abundant with murder and atrocities...but there are better examples of human ability. All we can do is give up resentment, deal with facts, and live in peace.

Love is the only dance there is. Remembering the rhythm and the steps is a work in process. Breathe.

Posted by: Pat C on March 12, 2006 03:09 PM

Re Pat C's statement:

For all of those who use the colloquialism 'It's all good': that is rubbish. In the realm of Duality of which we live those words are impossible and insane.
Our world is confused through language and miscommunication.

Why a shrub can become a pretzeldent.

Posted by: bhakti on March 12, 2006 03:28 PM

A thought came to me many years ago during a very pivotal event. I still remember it clearly.

"Coincidence traced far enough back become inevitable."

It's an old Hindu saying. I took it to mean that as we do the work, we should be gentle on ourselves. We are the truth unfolding. That doesn't mean being wimpish. It does mean to be clear.

Posted by: Pat C on March 12, 2006 03:41 PM

Pat C beautiful dance music

Posted by: tseka on March 12, 2006 04:00 PM

tseka, I'm so glad you enjoy it. :-)

Posted by: Pat C on March 12, 2006 04:10 PM

Comments here set me thinking of another holocaust.
It began with Malleus Maleficaum in 1486. Pluto was riding 20 deg libra. Uranus was approximately 0 deg Cap. Between 600,000 and 9,000,000 people mostly women were killed. Many burned at the stake as witches. If you doubted you were convicted of heresy and burned with them.

The torture lasted ONE WHOLE PLUTO RETURN and THREE URANUS RETURNS. It ended 250 years after it began when Pluto was at 29 Libra and Uranus was going over the Galactic center.

I'm not an astrologer or even close but the pattern is intriguing.

I wonder about the real reason people of wisdom needed to be eliminated and who those players were and i look at the similarities of who are still playing loose witht the powers of reformation and their claims of "irrefutable truth"

here is an interesting site for more info:
http://www.malleusmaleficarum.org/

Posted by: tseka on March 12, 2006 04:13 PM

What an excellent site tseka! Thank you!

Posted by: Pat C on March 12, 2006 04:18 PM

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20060307-2358-nv-wiccansoldier.html

Dead Nevada guardsman's Wiccan faith unrecognized

FERNLEY, Nev. – Nevada National Guard Sgt. Patrick Stewart gave his life for his country when the Chinook helicopter he was in was shot down in Afghanistan in September.
But those wishing to honor Stewart, who should have his name on the memorial wall at the Northern Nevada Veterans Memorial Cemetery in Fernley, would have a difficult time doing so.

The space reserved for Stewart is vacant. Stewart was a follower of the Wiccan religion, which is not recognized by the Department of Veterans Affairs.

Stewart's widow, Roberta, said she'll wait until her family's religion – and its five-pointed star enclosed in a circle, with one point facing skyward – is recognized for use on memorials before Stewart's plaque is installed.

More...

Posted by: Pat C on March 12, 2006 04:28 PM

Cogent and breath taking. Thank you, Nanc

Posted by: Beasley on March 12, 2006 04:37 PM

Terry,

Of all the blogs on the internet, the participants here with few exceptions :), are highly intelligent thinking people. When what is being spread over the internet is brought here to be questioned - the first reaction should NOT be
"anti-semite"; but a recognition of what many are thinking and that people are succumbing to the fascist plan - point the finger of blame at one segment of society - "it's all their fault".

WV,

George w. Bush is a result of his family history of supporting and believing in Nazism which he learned at his grandfather's knee. Do you like the result in this country of his early familial
education?

Austria and Germany, the birthplace of Nazism has had many current and continuing problems with recurrence of Nazism and Neo-Nazis, one believer even got back into public office not so long ago - and they don't want to go back there again. "but they don't deserve 3 years in an Austrian prison. It bothers me that Freedom of Speech is going by the wayside all over the world"

Yes, they do deserve punishment that promotes the ugliness the world suffered because of those beliefs. We arrest people who yell "fire" in crowded movie theatres when it isn't true. That isn't "freedom of speech" - it's incitement.
"Regardless, how 'far out' some are, they entitled
to their thoughts". No you are not entitled to thoughts and speeches which lead to murder of a specific group of people.

WV, your rant on Zionists leaves me non-plused. I've never met a Zionist and I've been around for awhile. Have you ever met a Zionist?

"the Zionist agenda. " Exactly what is the Zionist agenda WV. I'd like to know-is it conquer the world and enslave it? - I thought that was Bushism - or do you really believe that Bush and company were influenced by Aipac?

"Now, admitedly, there are only a few on the surface promoting this program ((what program?)but Bush and Cheney and Gonzales and the
Republican party bought it hook, line and sinker"

Puhleez. You can't be that naive. What you are saying is that George Bush attacked Iraq for the sake of Israel. And you've got to be kidding. George Bush attacked Iraq in his twisted mind for revenge on Saddamm for trying to assassinate his father - doesn't occur to him that his father and Cheney also tried to assassinate Saddam - AND FOR OIL AND BUSH DOMINANCE OVER THE ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST.

Then you quote how many billions America has been supporting Israel with. But you dont quote how many billions America has been supporting Palestine with. How come?

" it is time to get out of Palestine and give those people their freedom and treat them like human beings. Give them the security they want for themselves. " Yes, even Ariel Sharon agrees with you and over the last 14 years, they could have had an end to occupation if Yasser Arafat would have agreed to a peace treaty that Clinton,Carter, Rabin,Barak tried to make with them. But Arafat wouldn't would he? What do you make of that? Who sunk the peace efforts in the Middle East ? And now the Palestinians have elected as their leaders a terrorist group and stripped their own peacemaker, Abbas, of all power. Does that sound like the Palestinian want peace? Bullfroggy.

WV, I dont know what else you've been reading besides Rense...but it's not the republicans who have bought into propaganda hook line and sinker.

I hope you'll re-read the points I have made (again and again) and think about them. This isn't a debate or an argument. It's important to hear what is being whispered, and it's also important for some truth to enter the discussion.

If I want peace, but you don't and you continue hitting me, what shall I do? Same with Israel. The Palestinians ideology is not one of peace. Their professed goal is to kill every Jew and drive those in Israel into the sea. These are the people who survived Nazism.

Are you agreeing with the Palestinian/Hammas philosophy then?

The Palestinians have no sympathy from me. Have you ever been to Palestine or Israel? Have you ever seen what each did with the monies they received from America and their supporters?

One side is green and irrigated. The other side is
barren and still desert. So explain to me what the Palestinians did with the money?

Silly. "Israel should join the AEIE" Then they would have to admit that they have the bombs, and allow inspection of them. Did India and Pakistan ask America's permission to have the bombs? Are they members of the AEIA?

So which side of the Indian/Pakistani/Kashmir question do you come out on? And why doesn't that concern you?

As a Liberal, an American, and a Jew I'm concerned about where the information you repeat is coming from.

Namaste


Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 12, 2006 05:12 PM

Interesting topic. A good topic for a look at some astrology charts - Israel and Palestine.

By the way,

As a liberal, an American, and a Jew I'm also revulsed by the genocide committed in Rwanda and
Darfur and the fact that America nor any Western country did nothing to stop it... of course there's no oil over there - but there are human beings over there.

One could think that, just as in New Orleans, it's part of the plan of the Western civilizations to allow the wiping off the earth of certain segments of society, they consider less desirable.

At least Israel can be given credit for saving the lives and transporting black Ethiopan Jews out of the killing zone.

Did any other country go in there to save any black human beings, of any religion?

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 12, 2006 05:26 PM

Tseka,

I forgot to say thank you.. Your post about the
genocide in 1486 reminded me of the other genocides taking place in the world - which I wrote of above - and which nobody seems to care about.

The poem is so true:

" I wasn't _______(fill in the blank) so when they were being killed, I didn't say anything, and I wasn't ________, so I didnt say anything when they were being killed, and then when they came for me, there was nobody left to say anything."

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 12, 2006 05:32 PM


RODS FROM GOD

Imagine a bundle of telephone poles hurtling through space at 7,000 mph
- John Arquilla

Sunday, March 12, 2006


Although the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan often takes place at eyeball range -- as will most battles in what Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld now calls "the long war" -- Pentagon planners are spending billions of dollars trying to figure out how to engage our enemies on the ground with weapons based in space. Efforts are also under way to figure out how to wage war in space, not just to bombard others from the heavens.

Militarizing our world's ultimate "high ground" would violate the clear intent of the 1967 Outer Space Treaty, which was designed to keep the peace high above the planet.

[Podcast: Back Story: Rods from God]

So why is there such keen interest in taking our violent ways into orbit?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/03/12/INGS6HID5A1.DTL

Posted by: wv on March 12, 2006 05:46 PM

Senator Feingold calls for Censure of Bush by
the Senate.

http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/Politics/story?id=1715495&page=1

DAmn, it's on Mercury retrograde, but it's a start.

And it's very important that a Senator has joined
House Congressman Conyers in calling for this.

the next step is impeachment -

We should all lend our support and phone call and email Feingold....he must be getting plenty of hate mail.... he's the only one in 4 years who has had the guts to stand up even this little bit!

Of course, that means he's flying in the face of the DLC and leadership of the congressional democrats.

It's about time.!

He could end up being a nominee for President - and Hillary could be hurt by not standing up for
censure or impeachment

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 12, 2006 06:54 PM

Just one lil thing here I'd like to point out & this one of many phrases will do nicely: "...And it is time to get out of Palestine and give those people their freedom and treat them like human beings. Give them the security they want for themselves. ..."

The chauvinist supremacist cannot "give" anybody their freedoms or rights... not peoples or women... peoples & women ALREADY have inherent rights. What the supremacist WILL do, CAN do & do with great viciousness & regularity, is PREVENT/BAR the already inherent rights of others. They cannot "give" them.

Hmmm... I wonder what a stated Wiccan is doing smack-dab in an institutionalized machine of omnicidal killing?!

Posted by: JoannaOregon on March 12, 2006 06:55 PM

bhakti, "Pretzeldent"! That is too funny. I have never referred to Mr. Bush as "president" because he was never legally elected. But "Pretzeldent Bush", and "our pretzeldent", yeah. That sounds about right.

vw, I see your point about a jail sentence for holocaust denial, and I wouldn't want us to do that in the US, but I expect the Germans have their reasons for making it a crime. In Atlanta, Georgia during the late 1940's it was illegal to show the film "Birth of a Nation." I had just arrived here from a very multi-cultural city and thought that banning a movie was the stupidest thing I had ever heard of.

But the city fathers knew exactly what they were doing--many, many people in Atlanta then had never even seen a movie except maybe a Biblical film show in the church recreation hall. This was only about 30 or so years since "The Great Train Robbery" where some audience members got so excited that they shot at the screen. And it had been even a shorter time since a terrible race riot in Atlanta (that is what the incidents were called, although race riot implies that there were two sides). Many black people were pulled off street cars or out of their places of employment and sumarily killed. This was shortly after the film, based on the book The Klansman, was shown in Atlanta.

It was several years before I actually saw Birth of a Nation, and then I understood that the ban was not stupid at that time and place. I know full well that the ban violated the First Amendment, and I'm strongly in favor of the First Amendment. But sometimes you've just got to keep the gasoline away from the fire.

And then there are those marches in Ireland where one group wants to march through an opposing group's neighborhood.

BTW, a few years ago the Klan decided to march in a small town just north of Atlanta, and a whole bunch of progressives came and stood silently with a lot of the townsfolk. As the Klan went by, people turned their backs. The Klan was really hoping for rocks.

Posted by: Barbara on March 12, 2006 07:00 PM

"Podcast: Back Story: Rods from God" Disingenuous! What is accurate is "Phallaces from god". Rods, indeed. Pttttttttt!!

Posted by: JoannaOregon on March 12, 2006 07:01 PM

UC students push Sudan stock issue

Regents to discuss divesting university holdings in firms doing business with nation accused of genocide

By Gilbert Chan -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 am PST Sunday, March 12, 2006

A year ago, University of California officials told Jason Miller that unloading Sudan-related investments was extremely complicated and almost impossible to carry out.
Undeterred and convinced the giant public university system should take a stand against the genocide in Sudan's Darfur region, the 27-year-old UC San Francisco medical student looked for other students to help him explore the divestment issue.

Miller spent more than three weeks tracking down leads at UC Davis and UC Berkeley before finally connecting with students leading a burgeoning Darfur Action Committee at the University of California, Los Angeles.

Since then, Miller and other students studying on UC campuses hundreds of miles apart have banded together in person, over the Internet and on telephones to build a case for divestment.

They have spelled out potential expenses, researched Sudan-free investment funds and outlined legal implications. Equally as important, they have recommended ways to screen companies and hire an outside consultant to develop a target list and create a strategy for divesting all holdings within 18 months.

So compelling was the students' argument that UC regents invited them to the table to craft a divestment plan that the board will consider Thursday.

http://www.sacbee.com/content/business/v-print/story/14229235p-15052400c.html

Posted by: wv on March 12, 2006 07:06 PM

This one's for you, Garry:
http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm

Posted by: shylurker on March 12, 2006 07:16 PM

JoannaOregon, well the ones I know smack dab in there are medics. There is a warrior side to the craft, don't know that any would go quietly to the flames this time around.

btw Judi we're running on generator, backup dsl line, snow yuppers. Ya'll gotta realize snow is not the norm for the Bay Area. Californians really aren't good at driving in this stuff.

I'm terrible haven't looked at the stars, but boy howdy Feingold losed a volley this morning eh?

Bhakti so good to see you email me I've lost your most current. How is the book tour coming ?

Posted by: Morgana on March 12, 2006 07:18 PM


Blood And Oil: Bush And Darfur

by David Morse


READ
Bush Acknowledges Darfur Genocide - But No Plans To Stop It

The ink is scarcely dry on oil deals signed between the Islamist dictatorship that rules Sudan from the northern capital, Khartoum, and an eager bevy of oil companies from China, India, Japan, and Britain -- even as the genocide continues full tilt in the western region known as Darfur. Every new contract signed in Khartoum makes it clearer that this genocide is fueled by the world's unquenchable thirst for petroleum.

Oil rigs are now drilling on land seized from black African farmers -- who have been killed, raped, and driven off their land by their own government through its proxy militias, known as Janjaweed, in a campaign of ethnic cleansing now in its third year.

http://www.albionmonitor.com

Posted by: wv on March 12, 2006 07:35 PM

Thanks for that article WV

It drives home to me that genocide occurs for
greed and money.

Always.

Whether it was Jews whose land and paintings and
money was "appropriated", or poor farmers who sit on top of wealth and riches of oil - the reason is really always greed, not ideology, not prejudice, just plain greed and wanting what someone else owns without having to legally pay for it.

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 12, 2006 07:42 PM

Thanks for that article WV

It drives home to me that genocide occurs for greed and money.

Always.

Whether it was Jews whose land, jewelry, paintings, homes and
money was "appropriated", or poor farmers who sit on top of wealth and riches of oil - the reason is really always greed; not ideology, not prejudice, just plain greed and wanting what someone else owns without having to legally pay for it.

And the oil companies in this case are the proponents of genocide. That should be news that is made more prominent before the peoples of the world. Before you posted it, I didn't know it.

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 12, 2006 07:47 PM


Your welcome, here's another from Yale...

As demand for oil increases, the dependent countries hesitate to antagonize those with ample supply. As a result, developing nations that are oil-rich have discovered newfound power, with oil politics often taking priority over democracy or human rights. For example, Chinese energy interests protect the Sudan from US anger over the massacre in Darfur. Likewise, some Western capitals are reluctant to bring Iran before the UN Security Council, because any sanctions including an oil embargo would damage their own economies. Over the past 70 years, the US led the way in setting ground rules for oil politics, yet now seems surprised by trends that have given developing countries more power. – YaleGlobal


The Power of Oil

Scramble for diminishing resource shapes global relationships

Dilip Hiro
YaleGlobal Online, 10 January 2006

http://yaleglobal.yale.edu The Power of Oil

Posted by: wv on March 12, 2006 08:01 PM


Sirotablog

Real-world wisdom from outside the beltway.

3.11.06
Bush, pundits & Dems feign "concern" for national security

With the termination of the Dubai ports deal, President Bush now says he is "concerned about a broader message this issue could send to our friends and allies around the world, especially in the Middle East." This line has been parroted by the punditocracy, which claims that legitimate questions of national security are "ethnic profiling" (aka. "racial profiling"). The hypocrisy is as thick as a milkshake - Suddenly, we're expected to believe George W. Bush and the pundits who pushed the Iraq War deep down really cares about the messages America is sending to the rest of the world. What an incredibly insulting joke.
Where was this so-called "concern" when Bush authorized the use of torture? Where was this "concern" when Bush decided to ignore the Geneva Conventions with respect to detainees? What about the "broader message" we sent to the world when Bush deliberately fabricated the perception of an "imminent threat" of WMD and used that perception as a justification to invade Iraq? Or, what about the "broader message" that Bush sent when he cracked a joke immediately after telling the press 30,000 Iraqis - many innocent bystanders - have been killed since the war began? Or what about the "broader message" that continues to be sent when Bush holds White House events to publicly fawn all over the most oppressive dictators on Earth? What kind of message does that send to the millions of ordinary citizens oppressed by those same dictators?

http://www.workingforchange.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=EAC7B472-B2AB-D112-5C5B10A615CD2C7B

Posted by: wv on March 12, 2006 08:22 PM

Pallas, yes Feingold should receive kudos... iirc though Rep. Conyers called for censure of Bush some time back... and he got scant attention for it... let's hope the climate has changed enough for BushCo that this time there will be some focus.

tseka,

you can always be counted on to bring forward something from the collective psyche we have forgotten... yes, once again, as Joanna O. also reminds, women are again (still?) the target... Seems S. Dakota might be changing their logo -- to 'coathanger' --- after all, there are still plenty of those around and very few Dakotas... having been pushed to extinction the last century.

Not male-bashing WV, just taking a swing a patriarchy... apparently it's not in its death throes as we thought (hoped?) pre-BushCO...

With the Dubai deal (or non deal) Halliburton and The Carlyle Group have reared their ugly head (or hydra) again... I did a little research on Carlyle over at Salon... I'll post it here next.

I apologize for busting it on everyone... forgot my manners totally. Nancy, a superb article as usual... I've been reading tho' not posting... but thank you for the many gems in your writing. I particularly liked:

" When caught in the contradiction between his world and the facts on the ground, he clings to his superhero myth, claims complete innocence over any misdeeds, and blames others for their incompetence or deception. Some people call this lying."


Namaste

Posted by: Jo on March 12, 2006 09:02 PM

I'm always absolutely delighted to "see" you Miss Jo! One cannot gain from your wisdom if you're only lurking, yes?

Posted by: JoannaOregon on March 12, 2006 09:12 PM

About Carlyle... we hear a lot of mention but so little is known about their membership, etc.

Wikipedia gives a good bit of info... takes some research... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlyle_Group

A number of websites repeat the same information from site to site... alleged connections to the Saudis, etc. Craig Unger in his best-seller House of Bush, House of Saud details the intricate relationship between the Bush family, the Saudi rulers, and the bin Ladens.

Back to Carlyle Group, Wikipedia says it is a Private Partnership so it's not a Delaware Corporation as so many websites allege? [See holding companies below]

Their own website states:

Our mission is to be the premier global private equity firm, leveraging the insight of Carlyle's team of investment professionals to generate extraordinary returns across a range of investment choices, while maintaining our good name and the good name of our investors.

http://www.thecarlylegroup.com/eng/index.html

Also at their website, the copywrite is TC Group L.L.C. 2003

If you google that you discover that there is another holding company, TC Group III L.L.C.

There is also TCG L.L.C.

There are probably any number of holding companies... like an octopus with many tentacles... or perhaps a hydra? [ Holding Company: A corporation that has no other function except owning other corporations. (used as a 'blind')]

Wikipedia lists Louis V. Gerstner, Jr. as Chairman of The Carlyle Group.

Louis V. Gerstner, Jr., KBE (born March 1, 1942) was chairman of the board of IBM from April 1993 until his retirement in December 2002. He served as chief executive officer of IBM from 1993 until March 2002. In January 2003 he assumed the position of chairman of The Carlyle Group, a global private equity firm located in Washington, DC. [note: KBE see explanation here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_British_Empire

Listed as Chairman Emeritus is Frank Charles Carlucci III (born October 18, 1930) was a government official in the United States, associated with the Republican Party. He was United States Secretary of Defense from 1987 until 1989.

Carlucci was born in Scranton, Pennsylvania. He graduated from Princeton University in 1952, and attended Harvard Business School in 1954-55. He was a naval officer from 1952-54. He joined the Foreign Service, working for the State Department from 1956 until 1969. In 1961 he participated in a CIA mission to Congo, in which he used his athletic ability to rescue US citizens from mobs, but was also reportedly involved in the assassination of Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba.

Gee, another hit man? Who would have thunk...

These folks hide their dealings through holding companies and all manner of legal tools... it would be impossible to know everything they are involved in... but one can assume it's massive.

One significant person I did not mention above is --- drum roll please... James Baker III of Baker Bott and other entities...

Now here's a bone one can really sink their teeth into... a 12th operative, he serves as counselor to the politicians he believes himself to be superior to (not my quote --- from Slate... in fact, one of the best articles online is this one...

http://www.slate.com/id/93754/

imho James Baker is not only a neocon, but one of the top string pullers in the group... he is after all, the one responsible for getting Saddam into Kuiwat and Bush #41 into Iraq in the first Gulf War --- he stands high on the chart, along with John 'death squad' Negroponte...

WV, thanks for the warm welcome... I can't keep myself on track, much less anyone else :-) Do you have plans for a garden this year? Mine is still the 'kinder' variety and they are growing up much too quickly...

Light and love to all, namaste

Posted by: Jo on March 12, 2006 09:15 PM

Jo

It's my understanding, (not completely understood)
that one (1)Senator was needed as far back as when
Conyers and the Black Caucus starting calling for
impeachment.

No Senator stepped forward.

Now they have one.

The repbulicans won't step forward to join the censure, even the ones who want to, and even though as far as junior is concerned Congress is irrelevant - unless they're pressured by the public.

They're too stupid and gutless to admit to themselves what he has done to them.

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 12, 2006 09:19 PM

In my haste, I left out the word 'house' in phrase below...

a 12th operative, he serves as counselor to the politicians he believes himself to be superior to (not my quote --- from Slate... in fact, one of the best articles online is this one...

Posted by: Jo on March 12, 2006 09:22 PM

while comments and yes, even opposing views are welcome... complete dissections of the work of those who write articles here is rude... as is plugging your own blog...

folks are not charged to read and/or post here... so, if you don't like the fact that this is not a BushCO fanclub, simply move on... :-)

when you aim to inflame, do not sign 'Salaam' meaning peace... we get enuf doublespeak from Rove et al.

I've been to your website... it's not objective. Pot, meet kettle.

Posted by: Jo on March 12, 2006 09:28 PM

Pallas,

here's hoping more stand with Feingold... we know Conyers will...

recall Snowe and Hagel et al re NSA and warrantless wiretapping and the little slap on the wrist they gave Dubya? They can't even stand on their own when the polls support their actions. I have difficulty wrapping my mind around that...

let's hope Nancy is right and the people are waking up...

how are things in Florida? Are you going to be politically active this fall (I'm sure you are!)

Namaste

Posted by: Jo on March 12, 2006 09:37 PM

Geeeez Mu, if you are going to post such looooooooooong pieces, you might consider donating some money to pay for the band width.

Posted by: Pat C on March 12, 2006 09:44 PM

Kat119, WV....yes, the people will be fooled by the horrifying mummified and putrefying remains of Sen. McCain.....night of the living dead, he is.....

Mourn who he used to be. Or at least SEEMED to be, in the Hanoi Hilton. On a sould level, was it harder to be incarcerated and beaten and tortured by North Vietnam or by Karl Rove and his mininons including the evil prez?

Posted by: judiGem on March 12, 2006 09:45 PM

Joanna! Morgana!

I miss posting here... felt I needed to 'do' something politically... (my voice is a tiny bit political, in case you haven't notice :-)

As I once told my Dad... "well, I've had my 40 days in the desert... I'm coming home" --- I feel there is no way to work politically (others will disagree, I am sure) what with the e-voting machines and the Press gagged and reading press releases. But I am still trying, ripples on the pond and all...

Joanna, sometimes the very quiet part of me thinks I should 'sit' all day... meditate... goodness knows I would feel better! :-)

Do others of you find it difficult to cope with all there is in the 'big' world?

Hubby is not well these days... and there is a lot of family stuff about my space... maybe I should dig in the dirt some, huh WV?

Btw, Pat C., your thought about the 'dance' of love... that's lovely... (Y'all my aunt is 84 and still line dancing!)

One of my favorite poems from WB Yeats -

O Body Swayed to Music, O brightening glance,
How can we know... the Dancer from the Dance?

And now I'm reminded of Bridges of Madison County and ...

yes, Merc is Rx... reflection, processing...

love to all

Posted by: Jo on March 12, 2006 09:55 PM

Pallas, really appreciate your comments....you are so right and whomever it was that warned Grizzley about living in that part of Europe:.

Cautionary story which happened last year (re the racisim/anti semitism still rampant in the 'old country')...my ex was here from NY visiting for 10 days. While he was here, his friend and wife who live in Oakland were back there in Yonkers (he is obviously Russian Jewish, she Chinese) and they stayed in his apartment (he is from Brooklyn). Well, my ex's apt building was just bought by a Polish hairdresser, straight here from Poland....she was doing all sorts of repairs, making it nice, and my ex had become quite friendly with her. My ex's friend mentioned to her in passing that the water didn't have much pressure.

When he returned, his landlady refused to speak to him. He called me, and told me that his friend had had this conversation in passing, and he was furious with him for bringing it up, and what was it, he must have said something else to have been so thoroughly snubbed by this woman (a 180 deg. about face). And I said - nope....she's Polish Catholic, right? She's a racist about Jews.....she is furious that you would allow not only a Jewish man, but a Chinese woman, to stay there.
And that was it - it was that elusive bit of info which turned on the lightbulb in his head. He did manage to not get evicted....but it is because he is quite charming....!

Discrimination works in all different directions...when I lived in LA and just graduated from art school, I took a marvelous apartment (spanish style) near the LA art museum....the area was VERY refugee jewish....arm tatoos and all, little English spoken. I had moved into an upscale jewish enclave, and within 4 months had been run out and evicted....people all over started making reports about me....none of which were true. The final straw was putting a piece of Xmas wrapping paper on the little tiny door which opened in the front door - a viewing porthole as it were. The manager, followed by about 10 furious neighbors, knocked on my door and demanded it be taken down. I wouldn't...I got evicted. I thought it was funny....and I was really not in a good place for me, so I cheerfully found another place.

It is the little things which people can't handle....

Posted by: judiGem on March 12, 2006 10:01 PM

Mu'Min M. Bey - do you have a website or blog URL that you can pass along?

Posted by: Mark on March 12, 2006 10:18 PM

JO..we've missed your 'voice'...so I hope you stay around as your time permits. I, too, would like to do what you asked Joanna about...sit and meditate all day. Life interfers....

And fianlly, I know a Zionist...and in fact, this Zionist is married to a friend of mine...we have been friends over 20 years. But I didn't know he was a Zionest until last year when I sent the article about the Israeli art students who had been in FLA at the same time as the 'hijackers/9/11 and may have been Israeli SS. She was furious, and said no art student would ever do that, and PLEASE never send her articles like that again because HER HUSBAND WAS A ZIONIST ! Like I knew that? I didn't, in fact our friendship has almost totaly dissolved since she remarried several years ago.

So yes, I do know a Zionist for whomever asked the question....

Posted by: judiGem on March 12, 2006 10:28 PM

Please guys

"don't feed unpleasant trolls."

If trolls were pleasant, (oxymoron ?)there might not be a problem, but confrontational, abrasive , nasty trolls who are bent on disruption and starting wars should not be conversed with, dont you think? hint. hint.

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 12, 2006 10:29 PM

As bhakti said Judi, "Our world is confused through language and miscommunication.".

Posted by: Pat C on March 12, 2006 10:32 PM

Why is it conservatives can make excuses for themselves while whipping the backs of others? Why do they barge into a room with their own agenda, thinking those who are in the room will fall on their knees and salaam? Why are conservatives so fucking tone deaf? Who gives a shit about your track record MU? NO ONE ASKED YOU! It is not you 'duty' to provide same.

Posted by: judiGem on March 12, 2006 10:33 PM

Pallas, yes.

Posted by: Pat C on March 12, 2006 10:34 PM

Jo,

Truly I don;t know if I'll work in the elections this year.

I'm so disgusted with the democratic
party - or whoever they think they are - that I don't want to . Maybe individuals, but not the party as a whole.....and depending on who their candidates will be.

If there were a third reasonable party to join, I probably would. That's just how disgusted with their cowardice and abdication of their congressional responsibilities I am.

Florida, believe it or not is still recovering from Hurricane Wilma 5 months later. Lots of roofs with blue tarps.(including mine).. damaged vegetation. Usually after a hurricane Florida is back to normal within a week. Not so this time.
And hurricane season approaches!

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 12, 2006 10:37 PM

Jo,

I forgot to add, although I hadn't known before you were married (somehow your independent spirit didn't seem to indicate so) I'm sorry to hear your hubby isn't well, and I'm certain we all wish him better !


Judi G -

when I was packing and moving I hired help through an agency - and they sent a woman, Ukranian I think, who was middle aged and as mean as a rattle snake. She was a recent immigrant to the US and only wanted to go back to where she came from...."too many black people, too much freedom, " I don't remember if she said too many Jews :) I mean she really hated this country.

I dont have much tolerance for intolerance - lollolloll ho ho ho - isn;t my intolerance of intolerance funny? - so I took her right back to where I picked her up.

In some ways this country has come a long way, baby, and it's unfortunate that the bushcovics are trying to put it back 60 years.

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 12, 2006 10:48 PM

great to hear from you Jo!!; love and best wishes for your hubby's situation.

Sorry guys, but as much as I LOVE Nancy's, Sally's, etc. work, I appreciate scrutiny. Mu? is right that this astrological site is so heavily Dem that sometimes I wonder if it skews viewpoints and objectivity.

I do agree that this was WAY too much to post here, and rude to do so in this manner.

Pallas, have a wonderful time in Paris. I just got back, went to Notre Dame twice, but didn't see what you were talking about.


tseka, your post was what I was referring to re: the collective energies. Thank you.

Posted by: Peg on March 12, 2006 10:54 PM

Thank you Pallas...

some of his days are better than others...

as they are for all of us :-)

you're not intolerant... of intolerance... simply unaccepting of it :-) [so am I] Was it MLK who said there can be no justice until there is justice for all?

Namaste

Posted by: Jo on March 12, 2006 10:56 PM

Hi Peg,

Sounds as if you had a whirlwind, wonderful time!

As for the 'sound' of the site... to my ear there is a loud protest of Bush... and rising fascism. As there should be. These are not the good ol' days when we had two parties of people with opposing philosophies as how to govern. In those days I could dialog as much with the opposition as those I felt most comfortable with... Today, we have a cabal intent on destroying our nation, our way of life. It is not partisan to oppose that... it is patriotic. imho

Judi, my twin... good to hear your 'voice' also... thanks for the warm greeting.

Sally's corner is warm and cozy indeed.

Posted by: Jo on March 12, 2006 11:03 PM

Here's a site with lists of local state-wide activities for antiwar demonstrations March 18-20 if any of you are interested. There will actually be one in my home (red) state of South Carolina --
Click on your state and see what's happening...

http://tinyurl.com/l6x85 Answer Global Days of Action

Posted by: Jo on March 12, 2006 11:08 PM

AKA Claude Alexander Allen II

Born: 11-Oct-1960
Birthplace: Philadelphia, PA


A closeted Libra?

Posted by: Carol on March 12, 2006 11:09 PM

Pallas, have a great trip to Paris, and bon voyage...
Peg , you could go to Paris for many years and not come across much of what is there, don't you think? I've never been there, but shared many years with a Parisian woman who was stepmother to my daughter. She went to school at Notre Dame, and I would ask her about the passageway, but she est mort.

Jo....it is always the little things we remember, so namaste, and love to you and yours. OH...and in the blackout we experienced on Friday night, my daughter and husband with the two grandkids marched over in the rain and hail and freezing cold (they live one street away) and came to see if I was ok. I was drinking a good (and inexpensive!) Sicilian red, with all the candles burning....my grandson, just short of 3 years said, with big round eyes and tons of excitement, 'We came to wescue you, gwandma! you might fall down staiws, and we wescue you!"

You can't beat that!

As for dissecting the astrology...nothing wrong with that when done in a manner which is acceptable. This isn't acceptable, this dumping and nastiness. I hope he gets the point.....

Posted by: judiGem on March 12, 2006 11:15 PM

Now I'm going to make you all crazy.

I'll be going to Paris in April - yes it it is a lifetime dream - but then I'll be returning to Europe in the fall - I've been hired to do something similar to what Grizzly is doing, teach executives English - only for a week -

but I don;t like to waste opportunities, so either before or after my one week teaching stint, I'll do some more traveling around Europe - maybe Paris again, and Italy and a bit of Spain. After all, why make such a big trip just for one week? is my attitude :D

Grizzly, maybe you'll come with your wife to Paris and we can all sit at a cafe, with wine, espresso and some flambe desert and talk as if we are sad expats.

As a matter of fact, I have been thinking for awhile wouldn't it be nice to have an astrological GTG of AW'ers somewhere?

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 12, 2006 11:17 PM

Have a wonderful trip Pallas...

enjoy your dream and stretch it to the limit!

Shalom

Posted by: Jo on March 12, 2006 11:23 PM

Hey Jo, Nice to see you.

Morgana, been meeting hundreds of indigos in the inner city and all over. Turning them onto the goddess. Also, my teacher friend says his 5 graders dislike the pretzeldent. Watch out all you old dried up pruney whiteboyz patriarchal fools who blow fire and hot air. The goddess energy is here, NOW. And it's gonna flood ya all out. Say glub glubs ya old farts.

In the one field of light we need the shadow to create and manifest. Nuture and love and tame the shadow. We need it, but we are in control of it.

Yes, communicating is our number one problem. Remember the Pee Wee Herman episode when everyone thought Roger, the huge eyeball with legs, was a gurgling monster and were so afraid? But in Roger's language he was just asking everyone to play with him.

Like sociopaths who use negativity to get attention. These types need to sign up for the cause. Stop wasting time, get thee to the recruitment center.

Posted by: bhakti on March 12, 2006 11:40 PM

Claude Allen's pdf:


http://d21c.com/aquariusmoon/ClaudeAllen.pdf

I think that Pluto in Capricorn will bring a more isolationist approach with America. Not necessarily a father's time, more like a locally based time. I expect Mayors and Governors will have more power as the result of this, and people will have more local flexibility regarding infrastructure and business practices. I expect a lot a restrictions on individual money-making will be loosened, allowing people to make money out of their homes and cars. As for Republicans being the daddy party, Democrats are the first real political party America had, and I suspect will be the party of the cycle, with a new FDR emerging that takes care of roads and bridges like the previous one.

Posted by: Carol on March 12, 2006 11:41 PM

Carol...I like what you say about the Dems...thanks! I also wasn't sure who Claude Allen is....will find out by going to the url I guess.

Hey, as for a big Astro GTG...lets drop in on Kiwi Jeannie in NZ!

Posted by: judiGem on March 12, 2006 11:49 PM

OOOOHHHHH...THAT Claude Allen....

Posted by: judiGem on March 12, 2006 11:52 PM

I;m sorry Carol - I missed something.

Who the hell is Claude Allen and why should I be interested in him or his chart ?

thanks.

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 12, 2006 11:53 PM

Allen's Jupiter is one degree from the GC and from tr. Pluto going over it....I can only hope that the results of his Jupiterian largess being jail applies to others thinking that they are the center of the universe and CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH IMPUNITY.

Since there are positive/negative poles on all of these aspects, it seems to me best to glue onself at all costs to that positive pole.

What was he thinking, anyway? With all that water energy, he obviously WASN'T thinking, I'd guess. Hey...lets just get some fun and excitement boosting stuff from WalMart...it's easy!

Posted by: judiGem on March 12, 2006 11:57 PM

Oh , that Claude Allen.

The fellow junior wanted appointed the Court of
Appeals
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

A symptom of the disease afflicting the WH

"I am above the law"

He worked with that so much for his boss, that he began to believe it for himself, is my guess.

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 13, 2006 12:04 AM

And hey, here's something new for Grizzley...
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1728983,00.html?gusrc=rss

Homophobia seeps across new EU

Daniel McLaughlin in Warsaw
Sunday March 12, 2006
The Observer

He has been attacked by skinheads and threatened by police, and Szymon Niemiec sees life in Poland getting even tougher. 'For gays and lesbians, today's Poland is like 1930s Germany,' he says. 'We are ruled by a fascist party, which uses the same language and ideas as Hitler.'

Posted by: judiGem on March 13, 2006 12:05 AM

The Claude Allen story headline here read, "Bush Shocked that Aide Charged with Theft."

I imagine Bush was indeed shocked. Allen stole a smaller amount of money than anyone Bush has ever been associated with.

Posted by: Barbara on March 13, 2006 12:18 AM

I am absolutely disgusted with Pot Mu trying to call out anyone's kettle. Peer review? Generally not expected to be scarcastic and condecending. The tone was arrogant to the nth degree. Also, in very poor taste and unprofessional for one astologer to go to another's site to call them out as she did Sally, and Sally's guest Nancy, while using up so much of Sally's bandwidth. Post your reviews on your own site and if anyone is in the least interested they'll go there to read. Quite a shameful display and I might suspect you of being a republican for your lack of civilty.

Posted by: M. on March 13, 2006 12:21 AM

Here is our true modern heroine at the ramparts holding the torch for change...Cindy Sheehan ( means peace in gaelic).
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12295.htm

Posted by: kat119 on March 13, 2006 12:30 AM

JudiGem, Pallas, et al. If you'll go to his 3/11 12:01 AM post, Josh Marshall has lots on Allen.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com

Posted by: shylurker on March 13, 2006 12:56 AM

Jo
So glad to see you here. I have missed you. i send you warm thoughts for your husband, and smile with memories of stories you told here of your grandchildren. How is little buddha?

My papa was on a 15' cherry picking tripod ladder last week with a 6' Stihl(chainsaw)cutting out the tops of cedars which were blocking his view of Mt Hood. 84 he is, we are sharing the best of times. Don't we just love it?

Judi how grand to be wesued in the storm by your grandson and family. The best kind of wesue mission.

The equinoxial equinoctial?? storms arrived here as well bringing days of wind and snow, gaspingly beautiful, they come every year and still they are a shock -so cold in March.

Posted by: tseka on March 13, 2006 12:57 AM

Jo, how wonderful to "hear" your voice again. You've been missed.

It's been a wild day here in Missouri weather-wise. Not over yet.

Posted by: Teresa on March 13, 2006 01:02 AM

One by one the bushhouse of cards, fall.

Katharine Harriss, Cruella de Ville of the 2000 election has gotten her come-uppance. She's been caught in accepting illegal contributions/ bribes?
and it looks like she's about to give a speech announcing she will not run for re-election since she has canceled speeches and fundraisers.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-harris1206mar12,0,3198780.story?track=rss

Now with any luck, she'll spill the beans and we can see him and cronies taken out of the Capitol in chains.

I do believe there is a God :)

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 13, 2006 01:10 AM

And on the Polish Homophobia story...it is the Catholic church gundies who are in power now...and it is the Catholic church pursuing these anti gay policies in the EU.

As Gilda Radner used to say, as that character she played, Emily Litella....'it's always something'

Posted by: judiGem on March 13, 2006 01:23 AM

Tseka....what a great image of your dad....! hope to hear more from you, and soon....like the swallows coming home to Capistrano (even if it IS where the Nixon Library is)....the far flung members of AW return.

Posted by: judiGem on March 13, 2006 01:24 AM

Just saw the GOP straw poll puts Bill new shoes Frist at the top....http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-03-12T040547Z_01_N10333598_RTRUKOC_0_US-REPUBLICANS.xml

Frist has the ability to look into his locked up trust fund, also.....whatta guy. The Schiavo thing will be dragged out for reviewing if he proves to be the eventual candidate. This is a guy who lives in a 25 million dollar mansion....can ya relate?

Posted by: judiGem on March 13, 2006 01:29 AM

Kat...glad to know about the Gaelic Sheehan translation, sort of ironic! Peace....apparently it didn't work to well on Cindy's husband.

And I was trying to write Catholic Fundies, not gundies. Although I kind of like that....maybe gun totin' fundies are gundies?

Posted by: judiGem on March 13, 2006 01:31 AM

As 'Da Vinci Code' film looms, Opus Dei tries to explain itself

NY Newsday

... .. "I haven't called for a boycott for one simple reason," Donohue says. "Thirty million people have read this bloody book. They're just not going to go for a boycott."

Instead, his group took out an ad in the New York Times last week demanding that Howard have a disclaimer that the film is fiction. Opus Dei has also appealed to Sony to alter "numerous factual misrepresentations" -- among them, that Opus Dei has monks. Neither group has heard back.

"The 'Da Vinci Code' is a work of fiction not meant to harm any organization," said Jim Kennedy, senior vice president of corporate communications for Sony. "And at its heart, it's a thriller, not a religious tract. We believe the filmmakers are going to deliver an exciting movie that will delight audiences, not offend them."

Yet the movie, starring Tom Hanks, is expected to track the novel's premise that Jesus Christ's divinity was a fraud perpetrated by the fourth-century Roman Emperor Constantine, that Mary Magdalene was Jesus' wife who gave birth to their child a few months after he was crucified -- and that all this was covered up by the Catholic church.

For some, that premise is thrilling, delivered as a fast-paced murder mystery with dollops of historical assertions about art, the gnostic gospels and early Christian history thrown in for verisimilitude. But others assail Brown for blaspheming Christian beliefs in a way that intentionally blurs the lines between fact and fiction.

"It is not only historically false, but blasphemous -- as much or more so than a cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad was considered blasphemous," said evangelical Biblical scholar Ben Witherington III of Asbury Theological Seminary in Asbury, Ky.

Nonetheless, Witherington has agreed to participate in a Sony-sponsored Web site, www.davincichallenge.com, to debate the movie's ideas. He will be joined by several dozen leading evangelicals, including Richard Mouw, president of the Fuller Theological Seminary; Chuck Colson, founder of Prison Fellowship and former chief counsel to President Richard Nixon and Gordon Robertson, the co-host of The 700 Club. (Only a few Catholics have agreed to take part in the site.) ....

http://tinyurl.com/nxowp

Posted by: Pat C on March 13, 2006 01:44 AM

OOOOOPSY DAISY!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904

Posted by: Pat C on March 13, 2006 01:50 AM

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article12300.htm

SAS Soldier Quits In Disgust

Posted by: Pat C on March 13, 2006 02:26 AM

Wow, Pat C--Ooopsy Daisy indeed!

Thanks for posting link, I voted and it is running 86% for impeachment.

Everybody, as Shylurker says, "Go vote."

Posted by: Barbara on March 13, 2006 02:56 AM

It just makes my heart sing Barbara. :-D

Posted by: Pat C on March 13, 2006 03:02 AM

Hey Judi G

Let's call a spade a spade.

The question is:

Do you believe junior should be impeached?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904

and it's still 86 percent saying yes.

Do the democrats in congress ever read these polls?


Bagala and Carville on CSpan 2 talking about what's wrong with the spineless democratic party.

They have a new book out "Take It Back" -

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 13, 2006 03:16 AM

~I have come to a point where I can no longer suffer any Republican fool. There is just too much is at stake. Believe me, I don’t want to hear their point of view ~ Just stay away from me. Just stay out of my way, out of my life and out of my consciousness. These foolish people defile everything they come in contact with. I can no longer tolerate their pointless babble in any form. It is all nonsense. They are complicit in Bush's murdering and enormous crimes and as long as these idiotic people tolerate and support George W. Bush who is a liar, murderer and a thief and willingly remain so blinded and stubbornly refuse to understand what he really stands for (fascism) ~ Please, keep your distance. ~At this point if they can't figure out that Bush has no integrity, intelligence, or moral compass ~ Then they are lost ~Stay away. Bush is a evil little lying con-man that is helping a few mega wealthy families rob our government and undermine our democracy and kill our youth. Bush and his ilk must be removed from office and the vermin that praise him ~ those that have come out from under their slimy rocks and have climbed from their deep dark holes should return ~ along with the rest of their evil kind ~

Posted by: Starrynights/SN on March 13, 2006 04:50 AM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11802770/from/RS.2/

Newspaper publishing company McClatchy Co. will buy Knight Ridder Inc., the second-largest newspaper company in the country, for about $4.5 billion in cash and stock, The New York Times reported Sunday night. Knight Ridder had been forced to put itself up for sale by its largest shareholders, who were frustrated with its stock performance.

The Times, citing unidentified people involved in the negotiations, said Knight Ridder agreed Sunday night to the deal, which was expected to be announced Monday.

McClatchy is based in Sacramento, Calif., where it publishes The Sacramento Bee and 11 other newspapers, including The Fresno Bee and The News & Observer in Raleigh, N.C. San Jose, Calif.-based Knight Ridder which has 32 daily newspapers, including The Miami Herald and the San Jose Mercury News.

Posted by: Pat C on March 13, 2006 04:57 AM

Ivo has a great sense of humor. Go see:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10372426

Posted by: shylurker on March 13, 2006 05:07 AM

JudiGem, already read the Observer story re homophobia. Now you can see why I have "very mixed feelings" re this country and its people.
The new govt. is EXTREMELY socially conservative and very controversial among most of the more 'with it' better educated businesspeople and professionals here. Interestingly enough,however, there are also a fair number of Jewish people in the new govt. in quite high positions; even several of the ministers!

*Many of my clients even basically believe the new govt. has the potential to literally destroy the country/and or remake it into a fascist regime (can't relate to that currently as 'Mericans, now can we!?)

Pallas, would love to meet you in Paris (been there five or six times and absolutely love it) but at this time it's not practical for me financially. If you (or anyone else here) will be in Europe and have the time, you might want to seriously consider visiting Krakow (don't bother with Warsaw, it is ugly, expensive and just a place to do business) fast becoming one of the "hottest" destinations in Europe, having some of Europe's most stunningly beautiful medieval architecture; it is really an amazing place and relatively very affordable, with (I believe) some of the best food absolutely anywhere (and while working in the states I visited a number Michelin two and three star restaurants in France, Italy, Switzerland, etc,)

Also, the old Jewish quarter of Kazmierez has been substantially restored and revitalized with many great new restaurants, bars, cafes, etc. and has the most dense concentration of Synagogues anywhere in the world. Quite a tourist attraction now though thankfully not "theme park" level touristic as yet.

I would love to be your tour guide in Krakow (I spend weekends there at least once per month), and if you have more time, the also stunningly beautiful mountain town of Zakopane (Poland's Gstaad) is three hours away by train.

Posted by: Grizzly on March 13, 2006 05:45 AM

Very cool! Do check it out:
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/article350594.ece

Posted by: shylurker on March 13, 2006 05:57 AM

Starrynights, my feelings exactly, well said.

Posted by: Sally on March 13, 2006 07:08 AM

Shylurker, love the coca guitar for Condi, just perfect. I saw a documentary on PBS about 4 years ago on the inventions and knowledge the Muslims brought to Europe and they examined all of the things in that article, it was fascinating. I am thrilled to have a list that I can keep. Thank you

Posted by: Sally on March 13, 2006 07:16 AM

for Pallas, and everyone of course...

PARIS BY NIGHT, AMAZING !!!

scroll bar slowly for a wrap around view of Paris. Have your sound on also.
THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE MASTERPIECE IN PHOTOGRAPHY
Click on the link below & scroll horizontally: Keep mouse on the right horizontal arrow as the picture moves around Paris.

http://framboise781.free.fr/Paris.htm

Posted by: Jo on March 13, 2006 07:26 AM

Pallas, I give up....that spineless democratic party thing is going to have a life of its own, and Begala (whom I like but don't always agree with) and Carville...what was he thinking, marrying that stiff Matalin....will make hay out of it. But it disses all the democrats (and I know very good ones in CA, believe me) instead of the ones who should be dissed. (For one...no, two...Rep. Barbara Lee of Oakland, the only one to vote against the war, and our very own Jackie Speirer, whom I've mentioned before, who is running for Lt. Governor. She is going thru the seats in the Legislature....and I told her 20 years ago she would one day be governor of CA....and she is a holy terror on rethugs.....

that being said, I say impeach all of them....shut down government just like NeoBuckeye's dream several months ago reported....86% in that poll? It isn't enough!

But we have not got the baggage that these reps have....easy for us to say this stuff.

I just got thru watching Mona Lisa Smile (Julia Roberts goes to Wellesly)....and it brought up some of the same issues we are faced with now....the horrifying conformity of the very well to do. Or should I say, the TYRANNY of the well to do and powerful, who believe they have it all, and it is all on their side! Yea, right....I know when my daughter finally saw the picture last year, she thought I actually WAS 'Katherine Watson"....I didn't...I am not as nice as she was in the movie.

Posted by: judiGem on March 13, 2006 07:41 AM

Good to finally see Katherine Harris backed into a corner on her criminality. Now, if only we can nail the sickeningly smug Kenneth Blackwell here in Ohio.

What would that say? For both of Bush's "kingmakers" to be brought down on corruption charges?

Starrynights, you are not alone. I've been wrestling with my own spiritual side a great deal lately. There's the part of me that wants to just focus on putting positive and healing energy out into the world.

The other part? That's along with the imaginary team of federal agents forcibly raiding the Bush-Baker, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rove family compounds, handcuffing them all and marching them before the Faux News camera off to rot in Federal Prison for awhile, before handing them off to The Hague/ICC to stand trial for War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity.

I just want to see an immediate and unconditional end brought to this horrible, bloodthirsty, destructive regime of cowards criminals and madmen.

Perhaps the DaVinci Code on film will open a few more minds to Christiandom's deceptions, which may lead to analysis of it's complicity with this regime? Since free thought among the people is so abhorrent and dreadful to the Bush Klan/NeoCons, this movie may see the seeds planted for some of their worst fears realized.

Posted by: NEOBuckeye on March 13, 2006 08:34 AM

judigem - would love to see y'all in NZ!

Saw a bio on milosovic done by the BBC. Very interesting. Some of the phrasing used by a former friend, one of several interviewed for the film, told the story of his progressive powergrab. They gave me chills .... all too familiar in the USA in recent times ..... "nationalism had stifled debate" "used powerful friends in the media to win public support" "they became egomaniacs" "patented a philosphy of war out of fear" "he wanted a Nato war to create victimhood and gain support" and many others.
Sadly, the former friend was shot in his driveway by an unknown a couple of years ago, after the documentary was made.
Interesting also was that he elaborated on the power Mira (mrs milosovic) wielded. And the fact that the daughter was involved with Mafia men.
Mira apparently fled to Russia and it seems she is driving this controversy surrounding his death. Strange for cnn to grant her an interview and then push this nonsense about him being poisoned.

Posted by: kiwijeanie on March 13, 2006 09:54 AM

fantastic link Jo! I've got it in my favorites now to remind me of the wonderful time I had with my daughter; thank you so much.

I agree with Sally: Starrynights, your comment was truly inspirational!!!

Posted by: Peg on March 13, 2006 02:20 PM

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-pgore13mar13,0,1922798.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

Former Vice President Al Gore returned Sunday to what one supporter called "the scene of a crime," telling a feisty, partisan crowd that the administration of President Bush poses an unprecedented test for U.S. democracy.

"I genuinely believe that American democracy faces a time of trial and challenge right now more serious than any that we have ever faced," Gore told about 400 supporters gathered at the Kravis Center for a fund raiser to boost state Democrats in the November election.

Gore cited a litany of issues, including the Bush administration's assertions of executive power, its fumbled response to Hurricane Katrina and its backing of a secret, domestic surveillance program, warrantless searches and interrogation methods used in Iraq and the war on terror.

"In every war there have been excesses ... that have come out of the extremes of combat and war," Gore said. "But never previously has it been official U.S. policy to depart from that respect that we should not torture."

Backers, still chafing from the infamous 2000 election recount in Florida that ended with Gore losing the presidency despite winning the national popular vote, roared and lauded him with standing ovations.

"Welcome back, Mr. President!" someone yelled from the crowd as Gore took the stage.

Palm Beach County, with its notorious butterfly ballot, had been a focal point of the recount. It was apparent Sunday that some local Democrats harbor bitter feelings.

"This was the scene of a crime," said West Palm Beach Mayor Lois Frankel, whose son, Marine Capt. Benjamin Lubin, has served in Afghanistan.

More....

Posted by: Pat C on March 13, 2006 02:30 PM


Article published Mar 2, 2006
Dick Morris

Look out, here comes Al Gore

Like a completely refurbished "pre-owned vehicle," Al Gore seems to be positioning himself to Hillary Clinton's left and greener than John Kerry for a run at the 2008 Democratic nomination for president. His slogan might well read "reelect Al Gore."
The former vice president's slashing attacks on the administration and his stalwart, if misguided, opposition to the Iraq war leave him without the complications and complexes that will devil Clinton as she seeks to appeal to the unforgiving left of the Democratic Party.

And Gore may be a man whose time has come in his party. It was he who warned of climate change and predicted its consequences. Hurricane Katrina was just a fulfillment of the prophesies Gore wrote about in his late-1980s book "Earth in the Balance." He has been an energy-conservation nut for years, and his obsessions with alternatives to oil will play better and better as we come to realize how our addiction to oil has led us to dependency on the dealers of this particular drug - Iran, the Saudi royal family and Hugo Chavez.

http://www.chillicothegazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060302/OPINION02/603020316/1014&template=printart

Posted by: wv on March 13, 2006 02:51 PM


National Democrats v. the Blogosphere

National Democrats v. the Blogosphere

The New York Times this morning published an extremely favorable review of the new book by Daily Kos founder Markos Moulitsas Zuniga and Mydd.com founder Jerome Armstrong, entitled Crashing the Gate. One of the principal themes of the book raises a topic which I truly believe is of unparalleled importance -- the role of the blogosphere in influencing the nation's political debates as well as shaping the strategies adopted by the Democratic Party.

With very few exceptions, national Democrats in Washington see the blogosphere as composed of uninformed, ranting, dirty masses who need to be kept as far away as possible. While they are willing to take your money, many of the Beltway Democrats see the vibrant activism in the blogosphere as some sort of an embarrassment, while others see it as a threat to their feifdoms. As The Times' review of Crashing the Gate makes clear, national Democrats -- although they don't seem to know it yet -- don't really have the option anymore of ignoring the blogosphere. Its power is growing inexorably and is going to influence the country's political debates one way or the other:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/stories/2006/03/12/nationalDemocratsVTheBlogosphere.html

Posted by: wv on March 13, 2006 02:55 PM

NY Times
March 13, 2006

Study Finds More News Media Outlets, Covering Less News

By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE
The third annual review of the state of American journalism found that while there were more media outlets this year than ever, they were covering less news.

The review was conducted by the Project for Excellence in Journalism, an institute affiliated with the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism and financed by the Pew Charitable Trusts.

As part of the review, a special study looked at how a variety of outlets, including newspapers, television, radio and the Internet, covered a single day's worth of news and concluded that there was enormous repetition and amplification of just two dozen stories. Moreover, it said, "the incremental and even ephemeral nature of what the media define as news is striking."

On May 11, 2005, a date that was chosen randomly, Congress was debating the appointment of John Bolton as ambassador to the United Nations, the actor Macaulay Culkin was testifying in Michael Jackson's molestation trial and car bombs in Iraq killed 79 people.

On that day, the study said, " Google News offers access within two clicks to 14,000 stories, but really they are accounts of just 24 news events."

The coverage offered by 57 media outlets was examined in depth in three cities (Houston, Milwaukee and Bend, Ore., which were randomly chosen from lists of cities of different size and geographical location) and showed certain shared characteristics depending on the medium.

Print and the evening network news, for example, focused on the violence in Iraq, a false alarm in Washington involving a small plane that violated restricted air space, and protests in Afghanistan.

Cable television and the morning news programs highlighted Mr. Jackson's trial and a murder in Illinois; local television and radio produced a steady diet of weather, traffic and local crime.

The blogosphere, meanwhile, shrugged off most of the breaking news, focusing largely on broader, longer-term issues.

"Contrary to the charge that the blogosphere is purely parasitic," the study said, bloggers raised new issues. But they did almost no original reporting: only 1 percent of the posts that day involved a blogger interviewing someone else and only 5 percent involved some other original work, such as examining documents.

Cable news was the "shallowest" and most "ephemeral" of the media, the study said. Newspapers, which are the biggest news-gathering organizations, covered the most topics, provided the most extensive sourcing and provided the most angles on particular events, it said, "though perhaps in language and sourcing tilted toward elites."

Many of the national broadcast reports quoted the same few people.

"More coverage, in other words, does not always mean greater diversity of voices," the study said. "Consuming the news continuously does not mean being better informed."

Tom Rosenstiel, director of the project, said that reporters seemed to be increasingly shunted off to an isolated area while covering events, as they were during the recent mining disaster in West Virginia, giving them little first-hand access.

"The irony is that having more reporters doesn't mean more coverage," he said. "It means more reporters crowded into one corner of the scene."

Posted by: wv on March 13, 2006 03:04 PM

Poll: What do you think about Feingold's Censure effort?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080261/#survey

Posted by: shylurker on March 13, 2006 03:24 PM


The erosion of free speech

Robert Fisk – The Independent March 11, 2006

You've got to fight. It's the only conclusion I can draw as I see the renewed erosion of our freedom to discuss the Middle East. The most recent example - and the most shameful - is the cowardly decision of the New York Theatre Workshop to cancel the Royal Court's splendid production of My Name Is Rachel Corrie.

It's the story - in her own words and emails - of the brave young American woman who travelled to Gaza to protect innocent Palestinians and who stood in front of an Israeli bulldozer in an attempt to prevent the driver from destroying a Palestinian home. The bulldozer drove over her and then reversed and crushed her a second time. "My back is broken," she said before she died.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4257

Posted by: wv on March 13, 2006 03:26 PM

IF (imagine 'IF' to be in very bold, very huge letters) this turns out to be true . . . oh, wow!! We'll have to wait and see.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x644775

Posted by: shylurker on March 13, 2006 03:27 PM

Jeannie....I would love to visit! Now....I will have to win the lottery and take everyone along! I mean it!

Pakistan story....hmmmmm....that whole 9/11 commission stunk like old fish and it was apparent to most of us, I'd bet.

Al Gore is the only candidate who can win for the dems...he's....'uninpeachable'....hahahaha....and yes, he actually has benefitted personally from going thru this....he is, it looks like, exactly what was said, leaner, greener and to the left of the other candidates. He has done a massive amount of growth in the last 5 years I'd bet...

going back to Pluto going in to Cap....do you all remember when Uranus/Neptune and Saturn were in Pluto in 1989-1993? (and beyond a bit for Nept/Uranus...) It seemed as if repressive governments around the world 'fell'......do you think that this is going to be the mother of all repressive governments falling which we are watching now?

I've never gotten the picture of the tanks in Red Square firing on the Kremlin (sept 1989)....and whathisname, the Rumanian dictator and his wife dying like dogs....Tito died too then? ...it was generally the end of coimmunist governments...72 years from 1917-1989. I have always seen 72 years as important, but I don't know why....It was 72 years since FDR was elected in 2004....1929 to 2001 for the depession/recession. (It will be 72 years from Pearl Harbor (dec 7 1941 to dec 7 2013....)

It is a number which comes up for me quite a bit....anyone else?


Posted by: judiGem on March 13, 2006 04:41 PM

For us greens (not the party, the mindset)
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/03/13/BAG73HMU9C1.DTL

BAY AREA
A Hail Mary against global warming peril
Cal grad student working on thin solar panel
Rick DelVecchio, Chronicle Staff Writer
Monday, March 13, 2006

Long before President Bush told Americans they were addicted to oil, UC Berkeley graduate student Ilan Gur was down in his basement chemistry lab working toward a cure.

Gur thinks big. His goal is to play a part in creating a new kind of solar panel, one so light it could roll off a printing press like newsprint, and so cheap that the world's poorest local economies could not only afford to buy it but also make it. (more)

Posted by: judiGem on March 13, 2006 04:44 PM

This is an opinion piece from the SF Chronicle. I believe that this issue is about the growing wealth among blacks with educations and corporate jobs....and growing money power. They just don't identify with dem issues anymore. It isn't that they are AF American (color) any more...it is that they have money and have moved into the middle class and see different issues being important...like being stable, keeping their money, investing, etc.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/03/12/ING4THKUAQ1.DTL&hw=Democrats+losing+Black+voters+to+GOP&sn=001&sc=1000

Dems' hold on blacks is slipping
African American candidates in '06 are impressive
Deroy Murdock
Sunday, March 12, 2006

Democrats may lose their iron grip on the black vote this year. About 90 percent of black Americans vote Democrat, rain or shine. But a growing sense that the Democratic Party takes them for granted -- plus several attractive, high-level black Republican candidates who will fight for these votes -- could make November 2006 and 2008 fascinating.

For starters, President Bush's black support grew from 9 percent in 2000 to 11 percent in 2004. That is no landslide, but it's a 22 percent improvement in black support despite Bush's being vilified by the media and Democrats for four long years. (more)

this ends with:

The best way to get blacks to consider voting Republican is for GOP candidates to ask them this basic question:

"What have the Democrats done for you lately?"

New York commentator Deroy Murdock is a columnist with the Scripps Howard News Service and a senior fellow with the Atlas Economic Research Foundation in Arlington, Va. (and a Republican, too...which is why this is an opinion piece and not reportage.....I wonder if the general public gets that, though.)

Posted by: judiGem on March 13, 2006 04:51 PM

Why I like George Clooney (besides the fact that he looks like my late Dad)..from Raw Story
A furious George
hits gutless Dems

George Clooney (above) says top Democrats like Hillary Clinton (below) should be held accountable for not speaking out earlier against Iraq war.

George Clooney has a message for Democratic office-holders who voted for the war in Iraq, only to claim later that they'd been misled by President Bush:
"F— you!"

The movie star's argument — directed at the likes of presidential wannabes Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, John Kerry and John Edwards — is actually more nuanced than that.

But not by much.

"The fear of being criticized can be paralyzing," Clooney writes today on Huffingtonpost.com — pumping up the volume after banging the drum of Hollywood liberalism in his Oscar acceptance speech.

"Just look at the way so many Democrats caved in the runup to the war. In 2003, a lot of us were saying, where is the link between Saddam and Bin Laden? What does Iraq have to do with 9/11? We knew it was bulls—.

"Which is why it drives me crazy to hear all these Democrats saying, 'We were misled.' It makes me want to shout, 'F— you, you weren't misled. You were afraid of being called unpatriotic.'"

Clooney exhorts the lily-livered Dems to stop being cowards and put some steel in their spines.

"It's not merely our right to question our government, it's our duty. Whatever the consequences," he lectures.

"We can't demand freedom of speech, then turn around and say, 'But please don't say bad things about us.' You gotta be a grownup and take your hits."

The actor vents frustration that "liberal" has become a dirty word. "Too many people run away from the label. They whisper it like you'd whisper, 'I'm a Nazi.'"

But as for Clooney, "I am a liberal. Fire away," he taunts.

We'll see how much incoming Clooney takes as a result of these fine sentiments.

Posted by: judiGem on March 13, 2006 05:00 PM

I've gottn 2 emails now from Mark Crispin Miller on the Ohio voter stuff....:Third elections worker indicted
over presidential recount
3/9/2006, 5:11 a.m. ET
The Associated Press
CLEVELAND (AP) - The third highest ranking employee at the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections has been indicted on charges of mishandling ballots during the 2004 presidential election recount.
Jacqueline Maiden is the third board worker charged with six counts alleging that Ohio laws were not followed in the selection and review of ballots for the recount.
The most serious charges carry a maximum sentence of 18 months in prison.
The charges stem from a complaint filed by a lawyer who watched over the recount on behalf of two third-party presidential candidates.
Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Bill Mason removed himself from the investigation because his office represents the elections board. Erie County Prosecutor Kevin Baxter was appointed special prosecutor.
Maiden, now the board's elections coordinator, was the director of the elections division during the recount in December 2004.
Two other board workers, Rosie Grier and Kathleen Dreamer, were indicted in August and scheduled for trial May 8. Dreamer was the manager of the board's ballot department and Grier was an assistant manager.
Baxter said he has filed a motion to have all three cases consolidated.
All three employees continue to work at the board.
"We're in the process of converting to the electronic voting, and we need our best people," board chairman Bob Bennett said. "We've moved them from any responsibility of recount or responsibility of ballots."
The board released a statement defending the workers.
"These allegations are based on interpretation of procedures, not on any suggestion of fraud. ... We are confident that no employee of the Board of Elections would knowingly or negligently engage in any unlawful conduct regarding the 2004 Presidential Recount," the statement read.
___
Information from: The Plain Dealer, http://www.cleveland.comwww.cleveland.com

The other one is about Ken Blackwell, and is posted at Daily Kos Updated! Ken Blackwell's Blog Caught Scrubbing Super Secret Post
by progressivearlingtonian
Wed Mar 08, 2006 at 08:05:00 PM PDT
Ken Blackwell Ohio Candidate for Governor Caught Scrubbing Post about Speech Before Ultra-Rightwing Conservative Group
Council for National Policy
A little internet digging (mostly facilitated by a post from February 2005 right here on Daily Kos, "Sith Lords of the Ultra-Right" brought out a lot about "The Council for National Policy".


It is too long to post....just go to Daily Kos....

Posted by: judiGem on March 13, 2006 05:46 PM


A good read...

Columns
Harvey Wasserman

Kurt Vonnegut's "Stardust Memory"
March 4, 2006

On a cold, cloudy night, the lines threaded all the way around the Ohio State campus. News that Kurt Vonnegut was speaking at the Ohio Union prompted these “apathetic” heartland college students to start lining up in the early afternoon. About 2,000 got in. At least that many more were turned away. It was the biggest crowd for a speaker here since Michael Moore.

In an age dominated by hype and sex, neither Moore nor Vonnegut seems a likely candidate to rock a campus whose biggest news has been the men’s and women’s basketball teams’ joint assault on Big Ten championships.

But maybe there’s more going on here than Fox wants us to think.

Vonnegut takes an easy chair across from Prof. Manuel Luis Martinez, a poet and teacher of writing. He grabs Martinez and semi-whispers into his ear (and the mike) “What can I say here?”

http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/7/2006/1326

Posted by: wv on March 13, 2006 06:18 PM


Gore: Country straying from principles
Former vice president urges Democrats 'not to take anything for granted' during fund-raiser.

By STEPHANIE MURPHY, Daily News Business and Real Estate Writer

Monday, March 13, 2006



Daily News photo by Melanie Bell
(enlarge photo)
Former Vice President Al Gore greets the audience following his speech to rally Florida Democrats at the Kravis Center's Cohen Pavillion. The fund-raiser drew a crowd of nearly 200.


WEST PALM BEACH — The people of "these United States are going to stand up and take our country back," former Vice President Al Gore said Sunday at a Florida Democratic Party fund-raiser at the Kravis Center's Cohen Pavilion.

"Let's start right here in Palm Beach County," said Gore, speaking to a crowd of about 450 in what became the epicenter of the hotly contested 2000 presidential election.

Before he was introduced, Mayor Lois Frankel said, "I'm not one to hold a grudge . . . but this was the scene of a crime (in 2000). I haven't forgotten it, and you haven't forgotten it."

Picking up on her sentiment, Gore urged Democrats to "not take anything for granted," because sometimes, "feeling the prospects of victory and success, you know that's a deadly error."

http://www.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/content/news/AlGore0313.html

Posted by: wv on March 13, 2006 07:00 PM


Kerry Visits Harvard Amid Some Protests

Senator appears at IOP premiere of documentary; meets with Dems

Published On 3/13/2006 2:07:39 AM

By CLAIRE M. GUEHENNO

Crimson Staff Writer


Anti-war protesters amassed at the Kennedy School of Government on Friday, when 2004 Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass) spoke with former Senator Max Cleland and a group of veterans to a packed John F. Kennedy Jr. Forum.

While Kerry came to Harvard for the premiere of “Hidden Wounds,” a documentary on veterans of the war in Iraq suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), the event took a political turn as several dozen protesters gathered together at 79 JFK Street.

“Bush Lied. Kerry Complied. Bring the troops home now,” they chanted outside the Kennedy School.

The protest was sponsored by the organizations Not One More (NOM) and Military Families Speak Out (MFSO) as part of their continued effort to provoke a withdrawal of American troops from Iraq.

One man, who was sitting inside the forum, called out to Kerry after the documentary.

“Stop this war, John, grow some balls” the man said. “You can do something, John.”

The man was taken out of the forum, but his message did not fall on deaf ears.

http://www.thecrimson.com/printerfriendly.aspx?ref=512063

Posted by: wv on March 13, 2006 07:07 PM

D'oh!! Hello all--forgot to mention that cloakanddagger.de predicted something would happen on 3/11(the anniversary of the Madrid bombings, which was 911 days after 9/11/01)and I'll be damned if Milosevic didn't just "drop dead" on that day---I think it was Wayne Madsen who said Milosevic had lots of dirt on the lintons and Allbright and Perle/Feith, etc. and so he was more or less murdered......

Posted by: Garry on March 13, 2006 07:59 PM

Oops, that should've said Clintons...also add Wesley Clark to that list, per Madsen....

Posted by: Garry on March 13, 2006 08:02 PM


Feingold for President (16 comments )

I know, I know -- it's nuts. Jewish, twice-divorced, Repbulicans salivating to turn him into McGovern, can't get the moderates and independents he needs to break 40%... Anything else? Okay, now that the Beltway wisdom has spoken, let's try take two.

He's authentic, unafraid, says what he believes. He's as pissed off as most Americans.

He doesn't just pay lip service to bipartisanship; he actually has a track record. He wants to save democracy from the Washington sewer it has become. He's got deep roots in the midwestern progressive tradition. He's a good fiery speaker. If you wish Paul Wellstone or Bill Moyers were running, he's as close to them as they come.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marty-kaplan/feingold-for-president_b_17227.html

Posted by: wv on March 13, 2006 09:12 PM

New low (hot dog!!):
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-03-13-bush-poll_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA

Posted by: shylurker on March 13, 2006 09:13 PM

This whole media focus and the amount time cnn is giving to fostering controversy surrounding the death of Milosovic, is not sitting well with my gut instincts.
CNN (international version) is pushing the thought "should the war crimes tribunal be disbanded." Now I wonder who could possibly benefit from that action in the future? Just a little TOO convenient for the cabal methinks.

Posted by: kiwijeanie on March 13, 2006 09:16 PM


I Am a Liberal. There, I Said It! (290 comments )

I am a liberal. And I make no apologies for it. Hell, I'm proud of it.
Too many people run away from the label. They whisper it like you'd whisper "I'm a Nazi." Like it's dirty word. But turn away from saying "I'm a liberal" and it's like you're turning away from saying that blacks should be allowed to sit in the front of the bus, that women should be able to vote and get paid the same as a man, that McCarthy was wrong, that Vietnam was a mistake. And that Saddam Hussein had no ties to al-Qaeda and had nothing to do with 9/11.
This is an incredibly polarized time (wonder how that happened?). But I find that, more and more, people are trying to find things we can agree on. And, for me, one of the things we absolutely need to agree on is the idea that we're all allowed to question authority. We have to agree that it's not unpatriotic to hold our leaders accountable and to speak out.
That's one of the things that drew me to making a film about Murrow. When you hear Murrow say, "We mustn't confuse dissent with disloyalty" and "We can't defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home," it's like he's commenting on today's headlines.
The fear of been criticized can be paralyzing. Just look at the way so many Democrats caved in the run up to the war. In 2003, a lot of us were saying, where is the link between Saddam and bin Laden? What does Iraq have to do with 9/11? We knew it was bullshit. Which is why it drives me crazy to hear all these Democrats saying, "We were misled." It makes me want to shout, "Fuck you, you weren't misled. You were afraid of being called unpatriotic."
Bottom line: it's not merely our right to question our government, it's our duty. Whatever the consequences. We can't demand freedom of speech then turn around and say, But please don't say bad things about us. You gotta be a grown up and take your hits.
I am a liberal. Fire away.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-clooney/i-am-a-liberal-there-i-_b_17119.html#comments

Posted by: Pat C on March 13, 2006 09:26 PM

March 13, 2006
AVIAN FLU UPDATE:

In a remarkable speech over the weekend, Secretary of Health and Human Services Michael Leavitt recommended that Americans start storing canned tuna and powdered milk under their beds as the prospect of a deadly bird flu outbreak approaches the United States.

Ready or not, here it comes.

http://instapundit.com/archives/029125.php

Posted by: Pat C on March 13, 2006 09:27 PM

Garry, my feeling is that everyone loves a conspiracy theory and certain shady elements somewhere are stoking the flames. Leak a 'story' to the internet and pretty soon it becomes 'truth.'
If Slobo had dirt on influential people and wished to 'tell all,' why do you suppose he would subject himself to several years in jail without saying anything? It is totally plausible to me that he should die of a heart attack. Very routine and to me poetic justice.

No, my feeling is his wife, a master manipulator, and who has connections to shady characters, is a better place to look if there was indeed foul play. Isn't it ironic that with his death, she is once again thrust into the spotlight that she craves.

Posted by: kiwijeanie on March 13, 2006 09:31 PM

March 13, 2006, 2:23PM Alabama Cow Tests Positive for Disease

By LIBBY QUAID AP Food and Farm Writer © 2006 The Associated Press

WASHINGTON — A cow in Alabama has tested positive for mad cow disease, the Agriculture Department confirmed Monday, the third case in the U.S.

The animal was a beef cow but hadn't entered the food supply for people or animals, said the department's chief veterinarian, John Clifford.

A routine test last week had indicated the presence of the disease. Results were confirmed by more detailed testing at a government laboratory in Ames, Iowa, Clifford said.

U.S. investigators have found two previous cases of mad cow disease. The first was in December 2003 in a Canadian-born cow in Washington state. The second was last June in a cow that was born and raised in Texas.

The cow spent the past year at an Alabama farm, he said. The department is investigating where the animal was born and raised.

The animal appears to have been at least 10 years old, Clifford said.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/politics/3720301.html

Posted by: Pat C on March 13, 2006 09:36 PM

More about Milosevic...
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/130306milosevicmurdered.htm

Posted by: Garry on March 13, 2006 10:45 PM

from The Agonist

For 7000 years, well before anyone else in the world, the Iranians celebrated Gaea or Mother Earth. The Iranians never spoilt the land, and respected nature and above all.

The most important moment of their year was the Spring Equinox. The Iranian mathematicians were second to none in predicting the exact time, to the second, of the first moments of Spring.

And this year 70 million Iranian will do the same, no matter what buffoons are ruling in Iran.

I just wish all the international media to recognise that Iranians are Iranians, and not Islamists or some other thing.

Persian New Year Greeting Cards

Please respect our contribution to human civilization. Please ignore these Islamists in Iran. They are not Iranian. They must be tried in the Hague.

http://tinyurl.com/mkcao The Agonist

Posted by: Jo on March 14, 2006 12:26 AM

Jo, great post.

Some years ago when I was a clinic defender I decided to calm down after a morning of near-riots by "operation rescue" by taking in a matinee. But the movie I chose was "Not Without My Daughter." Hardly calming.

One scene I remember still was the kindly Iranian who helped the American mother and her daughter escape. "Gardens were invented in Persia" he said, (or something similar.)

I sure am learning a humbling lesson from the current American administration. I've always blamed the citizens for their tyrants, but it isn't as simple as that.

Still, we've got to do what we can--like that kindly man. Silence implies consent. It sickens me that Iran was moving toward liberality until Bush intervened in the mid-East.

Posted by: Barbara on March 14, 2006 01:28 AM

Well, we'll have to wait and see, but this does sound pretty interesting (from stevejudd.co.uk)
" 14 March
Full Moon tonight, strongly square to Pluto in the heavens, and the resultant chart has a degree of difficulty that’s up in the top five percent of challenging charts. I feel that the coming two weeks represent the last gasps of the mammoths from 2005, that if there is no further major conflict in Iraq/Iran then the bubble is burst and nothing can put it back together again. Two weeks time is the total solar eclipse, marking a new beginning potentially free from old patterns and fears, but until then it’s as though the wounded beast still has a sting in its tail, so be careful, especially if you’re born from the 13th-20th of December, March, June and September."

Posted by: shylurker on March 14, 2006 01:47 AM

Here is how i remember it: Milosevic, Eagleburger, Scowcroft, Kissinger and of course Bush...Look really hard at the group and refer to above posts about holocaust....makes one shudder, ja?
~~~~~
Although an avowed communist, Slobodan Milosevic rose to power through the Serb-controlled national bank, Beobanka, working in posts in Belgrade and New York . He is, or was, a personal friend of Lawrence Eagleburger, who was our ambassador to Yugoslavia in the 1970's.

Afterwards Eagleburger left government service for awhile to become president of the consulting firm of Henry Kissinger Associates , which negociated important business deals between American clients and Yugoslav state-owned enterprises. He was also on the board of Yugo America, the American branch of a Serbia-based car manufacturer.

When Bush, whose extensive CIA involvements have been thoroughly documented, became president, he appointed Eagleburger as deputy Secretary of State, and Brent Scowcroft as national security adviser. Scowcroft had a long history of connections with Yugoslavia's military; he was
also vice-president of Henry Kissinger Associates.

read more in this article
http://www.fermentmagazine.org/essays/2yugo1.html

Posted by: tseka on March 14, 2006 02:03 AM

Thanks Shy for Steve Judd's article and warning but what can we do? Dec 20, me, March 20, my son. Live each day with as much awareness as possible, i guess.

White Raven flew over me this morning, a few wingbeats of pure awesome beauty, brilliant white against turqoise sky.

Posted by: tseka on March 14, 2006 02:12 AM


http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/printer_031106G.shtml

Lap Dogs of the Press
By Helen Thomas The Nation

Of all the unhappy trends I have witnessed - conservative swings on television networks, dwindling newspaper circulation, the jailing of reporters and "spin" - nothing is more troubling to me than the obsequious press during the run-up to the invasion of Iraq. They lapped up everything the Pentagon and White House could dish out - no questions asked.

Reporters and editors like to think of themselves as watchdogs for the public good. But in recent years both individual reporters and their ever-growing corporate ownership have defaulted on that role. Ted Stannard, an academic and former UPI correspondent, put it this way: "When watchdogs, bird dogs, and bull dogs morph into lap dogs, lazy dogs, or yellow dogs, the nation is in trouble."

The naive complicity of the press and the government was never more pronounced than in the prelude to the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. The media became an echo chamber for White House pronouncements. One example: At President Bush's March 6, 2003, news conference, in which he made it eminently clear that the United States was going to war, one reporter pleased the "born again" Bush when she asked him if he prayed about going to war. And so it went.

After all, two of the nation's most prestigious newspapers, the New York Times and the Washington Post, had kept up a drumbeat for war with Iraq to bring down Dictator Saddam Hussein. They accepted almost unquestioningly the bogus evidence of weapons of mass destruction, the dubious White House rationale that proved to be so costly on a human scale, not to mention a drain on the Treasury. The Post was much more hawkish than the Times - running many editorials pumping up the need to wage war against the Iraqi dictator - but both newspapers played into the hands of the Administration.

When Secretary of State Colin Powell delivered his ninety-minute "boffo" statement on Saddam's lethal toxic arsenal on February 5, 2003, before the United Nations, the Times said he left "little question that Mr. Hussein had tried hard to conceal" a so-called smoking gun or weapons of mass destruction. After two US special weapons inspection task forces, headed by chief weapons inspector David Kay and later by Charles Duelfer, came up empty in the scouring of Iraq for WMD, did you hear any apologies from the Bush Administration? Of course not. It simply changed its rationale for the war - several times. Nor did the media say much about the failed weapons search. Several newspapers made it a front-page story but only gave it one-day coverage. As for Powell, he simply lost his halo. The newspapers played his back-pedaling inconspicuously on the back pages.

My concern is why the nation's media were so gullible. Did they really think it was all going to be so easy, a "cakewalk," a superpower invading a Third World country? Why did the Washington press corps forgo its traditional skepticism? Why did reporters become cheerleaders for a deceptive Administration? Could it be that no one wanted to stand alone outside Washington's pack journalism?

Tribune Media Services editor Robert Koehler summed it up best. In his August 20, 2004, column in the San Francisco Chronicle Koehler wrote, "Our print media pacesetters, the New York Times, and just the other day, the Washington Post, have searched their souls over the misleading pre-war coverage they foisted on the nation last year, and blurted out qualified Reaganesque mea culpas: 'Mistakes were made.'"

More...

Posted by: Pat C on March 14, 2006 02:48 AM

What a lovely image tseka...

thank you for sharing...

Posted by: Jo on March 14, 2006 02:53 AM

full moon tomorrow and I am 'feeling' it - how 'bout you?

Full Worm - March Moon As the temperature begins to warm and the ground begins to thaw, earthworm casts appear, heralding the return of the robins. The more northern tribes knew this Moon as the Full Crow Moon, when the cawing of crows signaled the end of winter; or the Full Crust Moon, because the snow cover becomes crusted from thawing by day and freezing at night. The Full Sap Moon, marking the time of tapping maple trees, is another variation. To the settlers, it was also known as the Lenten Moon, and was considered to be the last full Moon of winter.

--- Farmers Almanac

Posted by: Jo on March 14, 2006 02:59 AM


Feingold Draws Little Democratic Support for Censure :

By LAURIE KELLMAN

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada declined to endorse it and said he hadn't read it. Sen. Joe Lieberman , D-Conn., said he had not read it either and wasn't inclined simply to scold the president.

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article12320.htm

Posted by: wv on March 14, 2006 03:04 AM


Methinks the Women's Black Caucus of Congress have more cajones between them than all the white
honkies in both houses.

Posted by: wv on March 14, 2006 03:10 AM

the demohypocrites are backig away from Russ Feingold, including Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid while he's being attacked by Cheney, Specter, and every other talking head.

I'll say it again. We need to support Feingold by calling him and letting him know we do

and by calling Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and the rest of those two faced cowards that they better get off their asses and stand behind Feingold, and support him because, we their base do.
Or we can always just stay home in November and not vote at all.

the only democrat I would work for in the Presidentials is Al Gore...sounds like he could be talked into it again.

Kerry has the nerve to run again - is already in
New Hampshire.

And by the way, this poll needs more help.

Poll: What do you think about Feingold's Censure effort?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080261/#survey

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 14, 2006 03:21 AM

"Sen. Joe Lieberman , D-Conn., said he had not read it either and wasn't inclined simply to scold the president."

Yes, but that pissant could impeach and scold a president for some sex -- the message is, war and killing is good, love and sex is bad.

I hope you'll have emails telling Lieberman what
drek he is.

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 14, 2006 03:25 AM

I'm so angry about they're not backing Feingold!!!! even for a small slap on the hand of censure )P(&^&*%*(&

They think because they finally responded to the American people over the UAE ports is enough. "See we listened".

Bull froggy and a pox on them.

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 14, 2006 03:28 AM

My mother informed me this morning that some pundit on sunday talk show was backing up a prediction that i had made a year or so ago.

Al Gore vs Newt Gingrich in the presidential election.

What say folk here??

Posted by: tseka on March 14, 2006 03:30 AM

The busy-busy-busy man has posted a major slap at Feinstein over the Censure matter. Be sure to check it out:
http://www.busybusybusy.com/

Also, Josh Marshall over at talkingpointsmemo.com has a small piece of various Arab countries/entites going over to the euro (including, of course, some of the UAE).

Hoo boy!

And, tseka, I meant to omit the part of the quote that talked about the personal stuff. Since so much can be going on in an individual's chart that might counteract one other thing, I was hesitant to post the entire thing--but I forgot to truncate the post.

Posted by: shylurker on March 14, 2006 03:38 AM

Shylurker.

Excellent.

Whoevers that site is they really speared
Boxer and Feinstein.

"Constituents who wish to remind Sen. Feinstein of her previous enthusiasm for presidential censure (Clinton for sex) may contact her here (scroll to bottom). And her California colleague, the likewise undecided Sen. Barbara Boxer, might benefit from some voter input as well.

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 14, 2006 03:56 AM


Contact your two faced congress critter:

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/directory/congdir.tt


Anybody have that 800 number for congress ?

or that general 202 number where the operator connects you to any office?

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 14, 2006 04:12 AM

I am not sure if this makes sense, but on an energy level the Feingold censure lacks energy BEHIND it....I could feel that on an energy level. I am not crazy, I know where the energy levels are in this...and there isn't any energy for a censure. It doesn't go far enough....it doesn't hit the right note. It has nothing to do with anything else, it just isn't riding an energy wave. It may simply be that the timing is off. It ends up looking timid. People aren't backing timid these days.

Posted by: judiGem on March 14, 2006 04:20 AM

Remember, these people are just as suseptible to energy as anyone else, and lots of people rode the anti Clinton wave. It is EASY to get pissed off over immoral (not in my book, in their's) sex....and DiFi is a closet republican anyway. If these congressional people were more evolved, they would recognize what is and what isn't a frenzy of sharks feeding on chum.

Al Gore vs. the odious fatfaced triple or quadruple adulterer Newt gingrich? Well...in that case, the end of the world is nigh.

Posted by: judiGem on March 14, 2006 04:24 AM

OOPS -

http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/article351127.ece

Arab central banks move assets out of dollar

Middle Eastern anger over the decision by the US to block a Dubai company from buying five of its ports hit the dollar yesterday as a number of central banks said they were considering switching reserves into euros.

The United Arab Emirates, which includes Dubai, said it was looking to move one-tenth of its dollar reserves into euros, while the governor of the Saudi Arabian central bank condemned the US move as "discrimination".

Separately, Syria responded to US sanctions against two of its banks by confirming plans to use euros instead of dollars for its external transactions.

The remarks combined to knock the dollar, which fell against the euro, pound and yen yesterday as analysts warned other central banks might follow suit.

_________________________________

what I dont understand is that over the last three weeks the price of gold has fallen $30.

that doesn't make sense, unless they're all taking their money out of gold and putting it into Euros -

Anyway - this would seem to be the beginning of a big decline for the dollar and the bankruptcy of the country - do you think the demohypocrites will get any nerve up to say anything about his billions of tax cuts for the rich and the oil companies then?

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 14, 2006 04:36 AM

Nerve, energy, cajones, spine--whatever! There seems to be a deficit of such things among many Dems in and around that famed beltway. Grrrrrr.

Posted by: shylurker on March 14, 2006 04:44 AM

Cap'n Sally, Cap'n Sally! Yoo-hoo! Could we please have a new thread? Many thanks. Oh, and how's that baby?

Posted by: shylurker on March 14, 2006 04:51 AM

RE the fall of the dollar...that has been the declared intent of John Snow...it his philosophy in the first place to have a week dollar....seems things are falling in to place then....

But then finance is NOT my thing.

To go even farther....the energy is not there for dems yet. That is why...it as if this all had to play out this way. Don't know what is coming specifically, but there is a 'hold' placed on the energy to refute and confront from the democrats now in DC.

Sometimes a digar is just a cigar....

Posted by: judiGem on March 14, 2006 04:51 AM

I wish, JudyGem, they could figure out that the Constitution is not just a cigar.

Posted by: shylurker on March 14, 2006 04:58 AM

And hey...any illusion that some of these dems are actually Democrats is just that ...illusion. They are a branch of the overall party which is conservative. They don't represent Democratic ideals to any great extent.....Lieberman, Zell Miller, some of the southern ones....when you look back at history you don't see a lot of consistency in party platforms over more than 40 years or so. I mean, it was the Repubs in the 1950's (goldwaterrepubs) who started the ecological movement, not democrats. these issues go back and forth all the time. There is no stability when people are running campaigns based on whatever it is they think their constituancies want to hear, and they all sell out quickly to gain advantage. It is a horrifying time we are living in...but then, people my age said that in the 60's, too...and I thought the 60's were a kick!

Posted by: judiGem on March 14, 2006 04:58 AM

Actually, I would hope that the constitution is just the Constitution....and uphold it. It isn't a difficult document, but it is a bit interpretive, or so these jerks contend.

Posted by: judiGem on March 14, 2006 05:00 AM

Jo says:
Please respect our contribution to human civilization. Please ignore these Islamists in Iran. They are not Iranian. They must be tried in the Hague.
--------------
well said Jo.
Meanwhile, I repeat again, I am MOST concerned that this Milosovic controversy is generating too much media talk, and by extention, talk of dismantling the international tribunal, thereby ending any future attempt to "be tried in the Hague."
The media are pushing this POV for someone's benefit and it's not ours!

Posted by: kiwijeanie on March 14, 2006 05:01 AM

Poll (about half-way down there is a "Vote" notice that you can click on and go to the vote): What do you think about google not wanting to turn over its files to the feds?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11812701/

Oh, man, do go vote!! They don't want us to know anything about what they're doing, but they want to know everything about us. Do you think anything's wrong with this picture? Arrrrgh!

Posted by: on March 14, 2006 05:10 AM

Sowwy. Message above about the google poll was mine.

Posted by: shylurker on March 14, 2006 05:11 AM

Russell Feingold's DOB & birthplace are 2 March '53 in Janesville, WI. I put it into astrodienst and got the following:

(Uranus is transiting his Sun, Jupiter just opposed his Jupiter, and Neptune is transiting his North Node (i.e. True Node). Some of you can interpret that and will see a lot more...

Sun 11 pisces 52
Moon 3 libra
Mercury 29 pisces
Venus 24 aries
Jupiter 15 taurus
Sat 26 libra
Uranus 14 cancer
Nepturn 23 libra
Pluto 21 Leo
True Node 12 aquarius
Chiron 18 capricorn

http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?rs=3&btyp=w2gw&&cid=l5wfileSvIg8U-u1096170454&nhor=8

Posted by: Sharon on March 14, 2006 06:14 AM

DP World: No Plan to Sell Miami Port Ops
By TED BRIDIS, Associated Press Writer
Mon Mar 13, 7:05 PM ET

WASHINGTON – The Dubai-owned company that promised to surrender its U.S. port operations has no immediate plans to sell its U.S. subsidiary’s interests at Miami’s seaport, a senior executive wrote Monday in a private e-mail to business associates.

Even if DP World were to sell its Miami operations to quell the congressional furor over an Arab-owned company managing major U.S. ports, “that would probably take a while,” wrote Robert Scavone, a vice president for DP World’s U.S. subsidiary.

The e-mail, obtained by The Associated Press, added to questions raised since DP World’s announcement last week that it will divest U.S. port operations it acquired when it bought London-based Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Co.

DP World has said those operations are worth roughly $700 million…......

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ports_security

Posted by: Pat C on March 14, 2006 08:21 AM

Nancy,
I gained a deeper understanding of this portion the 12th house sun description:
Generally, the sense of an ego-driven Self is weak, and the desire to merge into something larger, greater or just painless is quite strong.
I went for an interview to do a big 20' X 40' outdoor mural last Tues. While I was waiting to hear the results this week I kept it foremost in my mind. Recognizing that I wanted the job on an ego level..........That in actual fact, it would be a LOT OF WORK, DISPLACEMENT FOR 2 MONTHS, & only about $1,600. in my pocket at the end of it. etc. plus the ego gratification of being admired and joining into that larger than self syndrome.........I worked to keep a neutral stance ( so that I didn't encounter.."Be careful what you wish for you may get it!")

I didn't get the job. They hired a MALE probably much younger, who lived close enough that he didn't need to stay in a motel for the duration. They liked my work better!

So I get to stay home, have my garden, hang my Gallery sign, and make the smaller projects I have in mind! I might even make that much money without all the hassle! A large advance forward on a soul level. No more mergers for me, I'm my own best supporter!
Thank you
PQ

Posted by: Pat Sharp on March 14, 2006 12:20 PM

Dedicated to the greedy Bush family ~ To Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and the rest of the Republican vermin ~

Let me ask you one question, Is your money that good? Will it buy you forgiveness? Do you think that it could? I think you will find, When your death takes its toll, All the money you made Will never buy back your soul
~Bob Dylan~

Posted by: Starrynights/SN on March 14, 2006 01:01 PM

Not only that, Starrnights, but lots of it is OUR money! I'll say it again, these people seem to believe to their core that they are entitled to all the wealth in the world.

Posted by: shylurker on March 14, 2006 02:01 PM

Thanks Sharon

I was wondering about Feingold's chart. Would be the cat's meow if we had a birthtime.

The eclipse today hit his Mercury.
And Saturn in Libra, along with Neptune,
he's very idealistic and serious about the LAW
in addition to Jupiter in Taurus - when it comes
to Justice and Law, he won't change his mind and he doesn't give in.

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 14, 2006 02:17 PM

I'm off to call Feingold and tell him he's right,
then Reid and a few others to tell them I'm a Liberal and Feingold is right and if they dont stand behind him and give him support...I'm staying home in November...since they don't believe in the Constitution, why should I vote for them or anybody. I'll end with calling them
republican lite.

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 14, 2006 02:19 PM

capitol switchboard

202 224 3121

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 14, 2006 02:26 PM

"Sen. Joe Lieberman , D-Conn., said he had not read it either and wasn't inclined simply to scold the president."

The way I read this statement is that Lieberman wants to do more than "simply to scold" Baby. Let's not give up on Feingold's attempt yet.

Posted by: oes on March 14, 2006 02:38 PM

OES

Mercury is retrograde when Feingold sproposed this

nevertheless I have called Reid's, Schumer's and Clinton's office and told them "we dont need republican lite...."

"we know they dont have the votes to pass Feingold's resolution but they are spineless and if they dont get behind Feingold and support the resolution we won't vote. We'll sit on our asses in November and let the republicans have it , because the dems dont believe in the constitution and have let this become a fascist country."

And I added "I'm on the internet and we all feel that way. Don;t you read polls? And by the way, Seniors are the voters , and they'll sit on their ass and not vote for any democrats either in November. We're disgusted with you. Support Feingold."

Yup I actually said that.

Feingold's line was busy.

I tried to get Specter's office to tell him he's an enabler and bush apologist and obviously doesn't believe in the Constitution since he and his colleagues have allowed bush to make this a fascist country - but his line was busy

capitol switchboard

202 224 3121


Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 14, 2006 02:46 PM

Oh Pat Sharp Queen of Pentacles your post so touched me. Ever since you wrote of the moon shining on the frozen mudflats i have felt that you have been in the center of your own magic. To merge with others through our art is the dream of many of us.
An expression of the soul bridge....i wonder what you might have at the Galactic Center?
may you walk in beauty Pat

Posted by: tseka on March 14, 2006 03:26 PM

What tseka said. I'm so proud of the bearuty and strength you have Pat. You are a lovely, lovely soul.

.............

McCain Is Not a Moderate'

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/031406Z.shtml

Paul Krugman says it's time for some straight talk about John McCain. He isn't a moderate. He's much less of a maverick than you'd think. And he isn't the straight talker he claims to be.

Posted by: Pat C on March 14, 2006 04:06 PM


Comment
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Now the little guy is the true pit bull of journalism
The blogosphere's ability to include the whole planet in an immediate dialogue makes it the US's most vital news source

Arianna Huffington
Tuesday March 14, 2006

Guardian

I am frequently asked if the rise of the blogosphere is the death knell for Big Media. My answer is that Big Media isn't dead; it's critically ill but will actually be saved by the transfusion of passion and immediacy of the blogging revolution. Blogging and the new media are transforming the way news and information are disseminated, as evidenced by the number of traditional media outlets, like this one, dipping their collective toe into the blog pond.
Blogs are by nature very personal - an intimate, often ferocious expression of the blogger's passions. You're much more intimate when you're writing a blog than when you're writing a column, let alone a book: the conversational nature of it; the way that it draws people in and includes them in the dialogue. You may set out to write about politics but, in the end, you write about yourself; about the things you care about beyond politics. And this creates a close bond between blogger and audience.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329433708-103677,00.html

Posted by: wv on March 14, 2006 04:08 PM

....and Pat, your sharing is for me the greatest example of teaching. Thank you for that!

Posted by: Pat C on March 14, 2006 04:09 PM


Want to sign Russ Feingold's petition for censure?


http://www.progressivepatriotsfund.com/page/petition/ce...


and then there's another at www.ImpeachBush.org

Neither may happen at this point in time, but every signature will give notice that "We the People" are rebelling against the do nothing democrats and rob the country thuglicans.

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 14, 2006 04:14 PM

woops

that petition site doesnt work

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 14, 2006 04:18 PM

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A generation of powerful women -- Web site, book tell their stories

- Jesse Hamlin, Chronicle Staff Writer
Tuesday, March 14, 2006


Even to an optimist like Paula Goldman, the world looked very dark in the fall of 2001. The Sept. 11 attacks had just hit and the second Intifada was in full stride, forcing Goldman to give up a fellowship to go to the Middle East to write a book about peace-building efforts between Israelis and Palestinians.

Back home in the dot-com-deflated Bay Area, with a new master's degree in public policy from Princeton and no job prospects, she and a friend were mulling the terrible state of the world one morning when they realized how many young women they knew "who were doing impressive things with their lives,'' says Goldman, now 30. There was a woman in East Africa who started her own business, someone who began a nonprofit in Latin America. "It dawned on us that there was really something special about this generation of women, many of whom have enjoyed opportunities that were never possible for women even 30 years ago.''

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/03/14/DDG3BHMAT21.DTL&type=printable

Posted by: wv on March 14, 2006 04:35 PM

Poll (on supporting Smirky&Co on Iraq):
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080261/#survey

Go tell 'em what you think.

Posted by: shylurker on March 14, 2006 04:49 PM

SCHOLARS AFFIRM CHENEY COMPLICITY IN 9/11
http://www.st911.org/
Experts conclude Vice President possessed foreknowledge and suggest Moussaoui trial a "distraction"

Duluth, MN (PRWEB) March 12, 2006--A society of experts and scholars contends that the prosecution of Zacarias Moussaoui--for willfully concealing advance knowledge of the events of 9/11--has the status of a Soviet-style "show trial" and functions as a diversion from the real culprits. The nonpartisan group, Scholars for 9/11 Truth, asserts that the evidence implicating Vice President Dick Cheney of that very offense is more obvious and compelling. If they are even remotely correct, then the alleged terrorists appear to have been cast in the role of "patsies."

The experts base their conclusion on testimony presented to the 9/11 Commission by U.S. Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta on May 23, 2003, which was omitted from its final report, and on related events at the Pentagon. Members of the society will present their findings during a press conference to be held at 1 PM on Tuesday at the United States Courthouse in Alexandria, VA, the location of a trial to determine whether Moussaoui, who is called "the 20th hijacker", should serve a life term or receive the death sentence.

"Mineta's testimony is devastating," observed James H. Fetzer, Ph.D., McKnight Professor at the University of Minnesota. Fetzer is the founder and co-chair of the scholars' society, which recently joined with Judicial Watch in calling for release of documents, films and videos, and physical evidence withheld from the public by the administration. "It pulls the plug on the Commission's contention there was no advance warning that the Pentagon was going to be hit."

According to Secretary Mineta's testimony, which is in the public domain, when he (Mineta) arrived at an underground bunker at the White House (known as the Presidential Emergency Operations Center), the Vice President was in charge. "During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon", he stated, "there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, 'The plane is 50 miles out.' 'The plane is 30 miles out.'

"And when it got down to, 'The plane is 10 miles out,'" Mineta continued, "the young man also said to the Vice President, 'Do the orders still stand?' And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, 'Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?'" One way to construe these remarks could be that the orders were to shoot down the plane.

The scholars suggest that that is an implausible interpretation. The Pentagon, they observe, may be the most heavily defended building in the world. If the orders had been to "shoot it down," then no doubt it would have been shot down. Moreover, there would have been no apparent reason for the young man to have expressed concern over whether or not "the orders still stand." Shooting it down, under the circumstances, would have been the thing to do.

"The only reasonable interpretation of the orders," Fetzer observed, "is that the incoming aircraft should not be shot down, which would have been an obvious source of anxiety for an aide. Since it contradicts the official story about the Pentagon," he added, "it had to be suppressed and was not even included in The 9/11 Commission Report." And other scholars, including Professor David Ray Griffin of Claremont Graduate University, have drawn the same conclusion.

Posted by: Pat C on March 14, 2006 06:19 PM


Lieberman has competition....

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http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-lamont0314.artmar14,0,5612031.story?coll=hc-headlines-home

Lamont Opens Senate Fight

Calls Lieberman `Republican Lite'

By MARK PAZNIOKAS
Courant Staff Writer

March 14 2006

Ending two months of exploratory campaigning, Ned Lamont debuted Monday as a full-fledged challenger to Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman, promising a debate on the war in Iraq and a fight for the soul of the Democratic Party.

Lamont, 52, a Greenwich cable television entrepreneur with deep pockets and liberal politics, promised a hard challenge from the left for a Democratic nomination that has gone to Lieberman without opposition since 1988.

Lieberman's support for invading Iraq may be the catalyst for a challenge to a three-term incumbent whose candidacy he once supported financially, but Lamont said his differences with the senator go deeper than the war.

He described Lieberman - an iconic politician who was the first Jew on a presidential ticket as the Democratic vice presidential nominee in 2000 - as a "Republican Lite" and "George Bush's favorite Democrat," too cozy with the GOP and too distant from his Democratic roots.

Posted by: wv on March 14, 2006 06:34 PM

Is the United States ready to have a woman president? (stupid insinuating question... anyway) http://www.cnn.com/

Posted by: JoannaOregon on March 14, 2006 07:52 PM

The spineless Dems have got to go. Here's hoping that the deafening silence of D's after Feingold's brave resolution is just the Merc retro influence. Can censure have traction after Merc goes direct?

Posted by: Larry on March 14, 2006 08:19 PM

From Bob Fertik at Democrats.com
News Organizations Should Commission Censure Polls Now
Over the past two days, Senator Feingold's effort to censure Bush has been an extremely hot news item. In fact, according to Google News, it is the second most written about story in the country over the past two days. It has been covered by every major newspaper, every cable news network, and basically by every news organization in the country. Now, given all of this, Mystery Pollster appropriately asks whether any news organizations will poll on censure, and what questions they should ask when they do so. He writes:
So after more than six months of organized campaigns to get pollsters to ask questions about impeachment, we may now need to consider how pollsters will ask a question that, as far as I can tell, no one has yet asked about President Bush: Should he be "censured" by Congress?
As summarized here back in January, a number of liberal websites have been conducting organized email campaigns to get pollsters to ask questions about the potential "impeachment" of President Bush. In response to the email deluge, two prominent media pollsters explained why they have not asked any such questions and what conditions might motivate them to do so:
Gallup Editor-in-Chief Frank Newport (8/30/2005): "The general procedure Gallup uses to determine what to ask about in our surveys is to measure the issues and concerns that are being discussed in the public domain. We will certainly ask Americans about their views on impeaching George W. Bush if, and when, there is some discussion of that possibility by congressional leaders, and/or if commentators begin discussing it in the news media. That has not happened to date." [Article available to subscribers only, but also quoted here].
Washington Post Polling Editor Richard Morin (12/19/2005): "We do not ask about impeachment because it is not a serious option or a topic of considered discussion--witness the fact that no member of congressional Democratic leadership or any of the serious Democratic presidential candidates in '08 are calling for Bush's impeachment. When it is or they are, we will ask about it in our polls."
Whatever the debate on impeachment may be, there can be no question that censure has now reached both of these standards:
Gallup's threshold, that there needs to be "some discussion of that possibility by congressional leaders, and/or if commentators begin discussing it in the news media" has clearly been reached. Feingold's resolution was widely discussed by nearly every commentator in the national news media, and clearly there was discussion of the possibility be congressional leaders over the last two days as well. There is absolutely no way that Gallup's threshold to poll on impeachment has now not been reached by censure.
Morin's (regularly changing) threshold, that members of the congressional Democratic leadership or serious '08 candidates need to call for impeachment before they will poll on it, has also clearly been reached. Almost every single article on Feingold's resolution mentioned that Feingold might run for President in 2008. In fact, the major Republican talking point against the resolution was that Feingold was only doing it to improve his chances in 2008. Thus, both Republicans and Democrats agree that Morin's threshold for conducting a poll has been reached.
With everyone talking about Feingold's resolution, with every previously described standard for conducting a poll now being met, and with many articles that only quote Joe Lieberman arguing that few Democrats support Feingold's resolution, I would argue that it is now the responsibility of new organizations to commission polls on censure. If they do not explore public opinion on this topic through any means other than anecdotes and internet polls, they will be complicit with the now pervasive production of reality via anecdote. That is not what any news source would describe as its mission. If, on the other hand, news organizations want to actually produce accurate reports on objective reality, then they must conduct a scientifically valid telephone survey on censuring Bush over warrant-less NSA wiretapping. After two days when this story was top news in almost every major American news outlet, for major news organizations to not survey public opinion on the matter would be to abandon their responsibility as journalists and reporters.
For any organization looking to conduct such a poll, Mystery Pollster has produced questions on censure that were asked about President Clinton. All of those questions seem fine by me.
________

This is what I was talking about earlier up thread about 'no momentum'....it is not being driven by the usual suspects; it is only being driven by the bloggers...but THAT is what will change it all.

Posted by: judiGem on March 14, 2006 09:55 PM

One of the really terrifying and stupifying questions I have about the congressional democrats (as opposed to the general 'democrats' in the US) is:

Are they getting freakin' rich off of Bush tax cuts? could that have something to do with their reluctance, or is it just K Street doing what Hollings said it was doing....cutting all Dems off from all lobbying funds.

In other words, you basic mafia knee capping.

Posted by: judiGem on March 14, 2006 10:07 PM

Gary, here is another POV on slobo & mira from a few years back -
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/milosevic/story/0,10639,518422,00.html

snip
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In 1965, they married, and a daughter, Marija was born, whom Mirjana described as 'less sensitive' than herself and 'not romantic at all'. During her father's arrest, Marija ran after him firing a gun and shrieking: 'Coward! Why not commit suicide? Kill yourself now!'

Mirjana's maternal devotion was reserved for her son, Marko, whom she calls 'my wild mustang'. Marko used his family ties to build a mafia business rivalled only by that of the killer Arkan. He is now living, reportedly worth $300 million, under the protection of either Russia or Khazakstan.

Posted by: kiwijeanie on March 14, 2006 10:09 PM

Kiwi, I remember all the stories about those crazy dictaors! Check out another dictarors work:

FL Sec. of State Closes Open Meeting with Ion Sancho, Evicts National Reporters, Calls Police!
Welcome to the First Day of 'Sunshine Week' in the State of Florida!

This is just amazing. On the first day of "Sunshine Week" celebrating "open government" in Florida, Jeb's recent political appointee Sue Cobb tossed out reporters, slammed the door and called the police to remove them from the hallway during what was supposed to have been an open meeting with Leon County Election Supervisor Ion Sancho.

Sancho is the hero who recently revealed that Diebold machines can be hacked and election results flipped without a trace being left behind.

His thanks, all three Voting Machine Companies certified in the state of Florida refuse to do business with him, and now the State of Florida (via Jeb's thugs) are trying to force him out of his elected office...

PLEASE READ ON...
http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002546.htm

Posted by: judiGem on March 14, 2006 10:31 PM

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/

Do you believe both the House and Senate should vote to deny foreign government ownership of U.S. port facilities?

Posted by: Pat C on March 14, 2006 11:25 PM

http://realitysbitch.com/

watch the video...but as it did on my computer, it took a while to load. If you want to see it without the start and stop, let it load....

Posted by: judiGem on March 15, 2006 01:09 AM

Pallas 1800, sorry to comment so late to your blog / anyway.
Up to now I always though of you as a very logical and analytical thinking person.
Your comments about the Nazis to blame now for the troubles in the US is one sided and uninformed.
You should take some lessons in history. Why did the Jewish people lend money to others because is was prohibited for the Catholics to do it.
Who were the five wealthy Jewish industrialists who worked close together with Hitler to further their wealth against their own brothers in faith.
Why did G.W. Bush s grandfather did sell weapons to Hitler.
What did the British do in North America, India, New Yealand,Arabic countries, what happened with the Japanese population after Pearl Harbour…
What did the Spanish do to the South Americans.
What is still happening in Northern Irland.
If one studies history one will find countless examples.
It is never really about religion, religion is being used to control the people, it is about money power and influence. It is always the same type of personality who plays these games. So please…
It is also about fickle people without backbone and social competence.

Posted by: on March 15, 2006 01:57 PM

Is a poster who doesn't identify him/herself
deserve to be taken seriously?

Posted by: Pallas1800 on March 15, 2006 11:38 PM

Let us give him a big hand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:happy: Great job!!

I appreciate you and agree with you!!!!!!!!!!!

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