I'm sorry I couldn't make the big party, Sally. Hope you had a wonderful birthday!

Can we expect fistfights in the house in December? Not normally an advocate for violence, but anger is building and civility has been absent for a long time. And truth be told, after years of watching these people snooze through their responsibilty to us, it would be a rather interesting change to see them actually, slap in the face, fighting, for our democracy. And of course it is against House rules and any member who engages would get the boot. But at this time I can't get a vision of the Japanese parliament out of my mind. You know, at the times when they throw chairs and punches. You did say the aspects will be the same as they were for the revolution.

Sally, i'm quite certain that the reason this site continues to keep and attract loyal activists and readers is because of the reciprocity, generosity, wit and wisdom of you. I would bet, that were we all to meet, on the physical plain, the first toast would be to our "captain." :)

On a personal level, i can attest to a shift in thinking given i'm a June 17 entity. It didn't come about as a shocking revelation, rather an ongoing transformation, a firmer sense of the reality that i am here only temporarily, to learn to apply, to practice "balance," and to transcend my limitations. I've never had a problem speaking out, and continue to do so. Now, however, i'm more conscious of the impact those words have. I wonder if Murtha is experiencing the latter?

karen

Oh I hope you had a big party Sally, with food, drink, and most of all happy, loving, and celebrating people.

This is chilling. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11061.htm

"The dual amendments are a cynical PR ploy: Torture will be condemned in public but quietly continued in the former KGB camps and other secret hellholes that Bush has strung across the world like a barbed-wire necklace. The Pentagon's own lawyers certainly understand the true nature of the game. As one told The Guardian: "If detainees can't talk to lawyers or file cases, how will anyone ever find out if they have been abused?" No one ever will, of course; that's the point. With habeas corpus denied up front, the worst cases of torture and false imprisonment can now be buried forever in "indefinite detention"; the tribunals, with their access to appeals, will be reserved for open-and-shut showpieces."

M, I so agree about how Congress has been snoozing through their responsibilities. Saw the booing and the shouting last night when Murtha was speaking and it was So refreshing to see some passion for a change.

My natal Venus is 24 Sag in my 8th house--sure have been going to a lot of funerals for a while now, and also have said goodbye to a 7-year phase of my life (that I thought was going to be permanent) and am 'way down the road on a new phase.

Amen to all the nice comments about Sally here.

Happy Birthday Sally! In the coming year I wish for you to receive back all of the good you have given to others during the past year - many times multiplied. Which will ensure you a year rich with blessings.......:)

And Grover Norquist, Cap'n Sally. Won't it be fun to watch him go spinning, spinning down the drain? I mean, to have happen to him what he wanted to do to our country? Wow!

Here is some food for thought...who would have
believed it???

November 19, 2005

Your Money

How to Tame an Inflated Entertainment Budget

By DAMON DARLIN
You probably spend more on entertainment than you do on groceries, clothing or gasoline.

If you don't believe it, take a few minutes to total your monthly costs, starting with the services that have you locked in: basic cable television, and any premium channels, like HBO or Showtime; Netflix to rent videos; TiVo for digital recording; your high-speed Internet connection; and perhaps, satellite radio and streaming music like Yahoo Music. You are already up to about $200 a month, or $2,400 a year.

Don't forget your iTunes music and video downloads, plus magazines, movie rentals, movie tickets, live shows and sporting events.

Add in your cellphone and any of its video, data and premium content.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/19/business/19money.html?ei=5094&en=8724f4fb4c6a66c2&hp=&ex=1132462800&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print

Today's Washington Post editorial...

Mr. Woodward's Sources

Saturday, November 19, 2005; A24

WE'VE SAID from the start of the investigation into the leak of Valerie Plame's identity that if administration officials deliberately set out to unmask a secret agent, they should be punished. But we've also said that, absent evidence of such behavior, criminalizing communication by officials to journalists would run counter to the public interest. Special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald's investigation is continuing -- he said yesterday he's going back to a grand jury -- and new facts may come to light. But the principle remains valid: It's not in the public interest for reporters to be forced to reveal their confidential sources in cases such as this. That's why Post reporter Bob Woodward should not be vilified for protecting the identity of his source in this complex affair.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/18/AR2005111802208_pf.html

Yes, I would love to see Grover Norquist walk that line. (Oct. 19, 1956, Weston, MA N/T) according to Wikipedia, when he was growing up, "his father would liken every bite he took out of his ice cream cone to another tax levied by the government." Grover will definately feel the "heat" Again, all this has to do with the late degree Cardinal signs and Saturn dragging their deeds forward for disposition. Grover is very fixed in his opinions and will have a hard time understanding that he did anything wrong.

I agree Barbara, it was wonderful to see some passion rising out of the Washington, DC swamp. When do they recess for the Christmas Holidays?

Warner Visits N.H. Amid Much Speculation
Governor Says He's Still Undecided On Presidential Bid

By Mark Leibovich and Michael D. Shear
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, November 19, 2005; A03

NASHUA, N.H., Nov. 18 -- Virginia Gov. Mark R. Warner, who is considering a run for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, made his first political visit to the home of the nation's first primary Friday, attending a roundtable discussion on high school dropout prevention in Nashua and speaking to a gathering of Democratic activists in Manchester.

Warner, prohibited by Virginia law from seeking a second term, will leave office in two months amid considerable speculation about his plans. Those plans were at the forefront of the discussion Friday as Warner parried questions from activists, local elected officials and reporters about whether he'll seek the presidency.

"I'm not making any decisions about anything yet," was his standard response, although it was lost on no one that Warner chose New Hampshire as the venue to discuss high school dropout prevention, a pet issue of his.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/18/AR2005111802660_pf.html

It doesn't matter who says they will run right now, several people including Warner and Clinton have a tough road to hoe before they get to the nomination and could very likely drop off the presidential roll call. I have always liked Bill Clinton's political advice "never look beyond the next election." We have another election next year and that is as important if not more important than the presidential of 2008.

I saw this today and loved it. Maybe people are getting mad if McCain sent the US Marshalls after her http://www.pensitoreview.com/2005/11/19/is-italia-federici-this-years-scandal-blonde/

Dear Sally: Yesterday, Teska wished you the most beautiful and poetic birthday wishes that I feel inspired to second the sentiments exactly! Thank you for your abundant sharing.

How did your Solar Return chart look this year, Sally? Good, I hope.

Btw, my MC is 28 Sag conjuncting the Galactic Center. Anybody know what that means?

Re: Hidden "things" coming to light

I haven't seen this important story mentioned here regarding new revelations about the truth of Cheney's Energy Task Force (2001)as published by Dana Milbank in last week's Washington Post.
http://www.chron.com/c/disp/story.mpl/business/3464249.html
Also, "So Iraq Was About the Oil" (2 stories here)
http://gnn.tv/headlines/6002/So_Iraq_Was_About_the_Oil

Many of us are on the same wavelength for sure today. I was making a mental note while reading Sally's "criminal" list to not forget Norquist as I have had it in for him since he uttered his first words on behalf of this administration.

Poll needs lots of help: http://www.newsnet5.com/index.html

(It's attached to article about ". . . Bloody . . . Iraq". Well, yes.)

What is wrong with the people in OH? You'll see why I ask when you visit the poll. Home of Kucinich and Hackett and, yet . . . .

Thanks for asking Mark and no my Solar Return is horrible, however if you take your natal chart and Solar Return and make a composite chart between the two you will get a picture of how you will be able to handle your Solar Return for the year, and that isn't too bad. It just looks like a great deal of work and frenzy maybe even beginning something new. Also you want to look at the speed of the moon on your Solar Return, that will show you how much frenzy and emotion might be packed into the year.

As I said in my article, nothing has been done on individual impact of Pluto on the Galactic Center in an individual chart because it affects a whole generation of millions of people and it only comes every 246 years or so. However, Pluto on the mid-heaven is a lot of power that needs to be used wisely, possibly a new job or change of position. It would also make a difference what planets aspect your midheaven, it could also mean frustration with power. Pluto will be in your 10th house for quite a while. To get some idea read about Pluto on the mid-heaven and in the 10th house.

Hi AW folks! In my family we celebrate birthdays for the entire run of the sign and have a high celebration on the actual date of birth...anyway, I just signed up at Arianna's Huffington's site to get on Bill O'Reilly's Blacklist, being that he wants Al Qaeda to blow up San Francisco...jerk. Anyway that's my neck of the woods so to speak. ahem..

The Bill O'Reilly Blacklist

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/the-bill-oreilly-blackli_b_10823.html

Sally, enjoy enjoy enjoy!

Hello Shy, Was your question about the people in Ohio generated by the subject matter of the poll? It is about leaving your child in a locked car, right. Perhaps they are trying to refrain from political issues in light of the shame over the new junior Rep. Ms. Jean Schmidt. Hopefully, they are deeply ashamed, as well as embarrased. I have been trying to find a c-span video to no avail. thinkprogress.org has a Quicktime version of her comments, but can't seem to make it work even with "refresh" as suggested by them. The sound bite has been run and re-run about has much, if not more than Howard Dean's famous scream. Everytime I think they can't sink lower, they manage to go even deeper into the swill. How on earth can any true Republican hold their head up now is beyond me.

Shy, I can't find the article you reference regarding Ohio because my head is hurting so bad I am not reading properly. Have they moved it around.

I finally found videos on the goings-on in the House of Representatives yesterday. Here are two very good ones showing Democrat's passion and Jean Schmidt's callous remarks and apology.... for those interested.
http://www.dissent.blogspot.com

Sally, I appreciate you tremendously and am so thankful that I was privileged to be one of the few who gets to read your articles and your readers' comments. I love astrology and especially love your take on things.

Well, Barbara, my Moon is 23 Gemini and I've seen a few funerals also. The topic in my home lately has been wills, death and the afterlife. Also, my mother (Moon) is dying (Moon opp tPluto). Astrology works, that's for sure. To all though, my Mom is 81 and is just FINE about dying, after all it is a part of life. Indeed. She's looking forward to going home.

I am going through menopause big time and life has been difficult, plus I quit smoking, it just seemed the right time. Was a hard-core smoker, 3 packs a day.

Love to all of you, I ALWAYS read the posts, I would rather not comment if I don't have anything worthy to say.

Laurie,

Pluto just left my 22 Sag Moon. And guess what? I quit smoking after many years of trying. The Moon rules habits, they say.

In answer to the fighting question, I think we can expect more. The nodes of the Moon are in Aries/Libra. The North in Aries is about identity, sticking up for the self, and facing conflict when it results. Singular action and bravery, too, as we see individuals putting themselves out on the limb. Jupiter just left Libra and removed the need for compromising at the South. And the long Mars retrograde is giving stability and strength to the aggressive urge. here we go.

I've been crusading for not holding back support when we believe in what anyone up there is doing. Give them our enthusiasm. And I also feel a possible battering Aries ram taking down this administration. I'm all for that. Go team.

jm - I hadn't actually thought about that, but it makes perfect sense now (moon ruling habits). And knowing that your Moon nearly exactly opposes my own, no wonder I always love your comments.

Oh my gosh, Laurie. Thank you so much. And a further guess what? My Venus is 24 Gemini, so we're locked into affection, as it were. I love the Gemini Moon. Or anything Gemini for that matter.

Another factor about all this Mars is the explosion of the military issue. Yesterday was an example. Something will have to be done about the troops, the vets, and our whole attitude about military service, especially the denigration of those who have done it by those who have not.

Schmidt Stuff:

http://upyernoz.blogspot.com/2005/11/talkin-schmidt.html

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/18/schmidt-shame/

Canny Comment from a poster, another site...

"Jean Full of Schmidt

"Jean Schmidt, who defeated Iraq war veteran Paul Hackett for her seat in OH, shut down the House of Reps by challenging the courage of decorated Vietnam War vet Jack Murtha, saying “cowards cut & run.” The place exploded. It was probably everybody pulling out their Blackberries & Googling Jean Schmidt’s war record, where they no doubt found her history as the head of Cincinnati Right to Life. Presumably if Murtha’s combat experience had been blowing up local Planned Parenthood clinics, that wld have qualified."
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/18/schmidt-shame/

Oh, thank you, JoannaO, I saw Schmidt last night saying that "cut and run" remark and thought "Who IS that woman?" Cincinnati Right to Life says it all. I know something about the firebombings there and a material witness who had to go into hiding for years. Last night it was so cheering to hear the immediate "boo"s.

Laurie, I think depending on other aspects, that oppositions can be tougher than conjunctions.

Speaking of loved ones, my mother-in-law was 84 when she peacefully passed. I'd have to look it up but I think it was her Uranus return. Anyhow, she was a very courteous Southern lady (Libra) with a wicked wit (Merc in Scorpio). When I was sitting with her in the hospital room one of the last days, she was carrying on a quiet but serious conversation with someone near her bed that I couldn't see. Then the nurse came in to take her temperature or something and my mother-in-law said to whomever, "Excuse me just a moment, please." She exchanged pleasantries with the nurse and when the nurse left, took up her conversation again.

Barbara, that is fascinating re your mom-in-law. I personally think it is natural for an old person who has recently lost their spouse (for example) to talk to their loved one, but so many others think it is crazy. I don't.

jm - I am not surprised that your Venus is on my Moon! Of course, that is where the attraction is. My Moon is actually 23' 54" so it's nearly 24. I have always enjoyed your posts and you are successful at feeding me wanted information (Gemini). Oh me, how lovely life is, don't you think?!

Sally, I hope your birthday was lovely and I'm glad to know that the solar return is not the end-all, since I am extremely worried about my next year's solar, but when I made a composite of my natal it wasn't nearly as scary. Thank you.

A lurker I am, who gleefully checks Astroworld regularly
who shares a recent birthday ~ Nov 17th is mine

Happy Solar Return to us and all!

Oh, my goodness, Beverly, they have moved the entire article and survey off their page altogether. So sorry--but it was great that you tried! Have a nice restful night tonight and I hope tomorrow your headache will be gone. For good!

Happy birthday from a dedicated lurker, I love seeing how the planets energies play out in real time. Let's keep moving and shaking, love ya, Juno

Laurie,

Life is endlessly fascinating to me. One thing I love about the Gemini energy, and I have a stellium there in the 3rd house, is the delight the archetype takes in experience. The eagerness and lack of judgement. The young and refreshing thing. There is always something to be learned and gained.

Here's another one for you. About smoking and Gemini. Gemini rules the lungs and hands and verbal articulation.
Smoking is OK for some...we've been swallowing smoke since we were cave men... but for strong Geminis who need to articulate a lot, smoking cuts off the breath and thus this function. So it shortchanges the gemini self expression and cheats others out of the full range of their observations. So smoking a little as possible, I think is good. Tough to achieve, but worth it.

Sally,
Thanks for your probing analysis of Murtha's and Woodward's charts re present events. It's always a learning experience for me and a pleasure to read.

Mertha: I also noticed that transiting Jupiter has just trined his natal Mercury. Big time truth telling about true patriotism and what it really means. His natal Mercury sextiles the progressions and natal Neptune you mentioned, which in turn sextile transiting Jupiter which now trines his natal Vx, Part of Fortune and transiting Uranus. Sextiles and a grand water trine...bubble shattering truth telling. Grand water trine in a huge froth, with a thundering bolt of Uranus. Sent him a thank you note last night.

Scanlon and scandal...big galatic belch yet to come. Can't wait.

On a different inquiry, I hope Fitzgerald reads John Dean's open letter to him.

w w w . h a a r e t z . c o m

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Last update - 01:16 18/11/2005
Sharon to decide this weekend on quitting the Likud
By Yossi Verter and Mazal Mualem

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon will decide this weekend on whether to stay in the Likud or form a new party, a close associate of Sharon's said yesterday.

At a meeting with his closest advisers last night, the majority recommended that he quit the Likud. However, several of his associates said, Sharon gave no hint as to whether or not he intended to follow this advice. Sharon currently appears to be undecided, they said, and he is carefully weighing the advantages and disadvantages of both options.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=647003

Sally, I haven't been here very consistently, so may I offer belated birthday greetings and kudos on another very wonderful column.

I did post on the last thread that I didn't trust Woodward since he became scribler in chief to the bushinpower....didn't see much of him before that....but was so disappointed in him when he did his talk show rounds, etc....(his fellow scriblers at the WAPO seem to think that he was a very generous and nice colleague for what it is worth).

I didn't know that he was one of my 1943 litter mates...what a disappointing bunch of brats from my year...the Geminis Newt Gingrich and, Ollie North, and on top of that, Bob Woodward...oy....my birthday falls right between Newt and Ollie....! (speaking of worms turning.) However, I did get an email from a friend of mine, a reporter for Reuter's in SF, that we should all call Murtha's office and congradulate him....IF you can get thru! They were overwhelmed by calls of support.

As for the unknown to me Murtha...an older generation Gemini....getting that Galactic Center/Pluto thing going....well...my GC is right at 26 Sag 55.....as is, of course, Newt/Ollie/Woodward and most of us born that few months of 1943.... I read today that Pelosi was going to make a statement at the same time that Murtha did, but let his remarks stand...I think she is going to say something later. I would think that this outburst will just be the beginning.

and yet, the letters to the editor in this pretty well isolated liberal SF (which O'Reilly makes fun of) are all people writing in about how horrible the Dems are for criticizing this pRes....those are the ones they choose to publish? and they are still running columns by Deborah Saunders, who continues to say that green house gases are not real and that humans don't cause global warming....

Don't forget you guys...Murtha is June 17, but so is the despicable Newt Gingrich. But Murtha is a different generation (11 years earlier)...he was from the hero generation....and Newt is from a hell hole in time, middle of the WWII generation....not a yuppie, not a hero... A charming psychopath. Somebody took a few too many bites out of HIS ice cream...Ollie North is the same day as JFK, I think...and Joe Namath. Can't make them all the same from just a birthday....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/trudi-loh/gores-crystal-ball_b_10907.html

Looking back on Gore's remarks in Sept, 2002....

My....imagine if he had actually become president....sigh.

I had a call from a friend of mine tonight and he thinks we will see fist a cuffs in the House before it's all over. The thought of it gives me a chuckle, we are looking more and more like Parliament every day. You can catch them on C-span late at night and we can see how much the anger is rising in England.

I am overwhelmed at all the good wishes and I want to pass mine to all the Scorpio birthdays out there. Connie, my very best friends birthday is Nov. 17th, it's a wonderful day for everyone's birthday, she was a lovely person inside and out.

For all you lurkers who have posted WELCOME and do come back often. "Juno Jones" what a great handle, it would make a terrific name in a story.

Someone on DU posted this quote from Helen Keller, and it certainly shows this country has been struggling with what we think of as "present day" issues for quite a while.

"The country is governed for the richest, for the corporation, the bankers, the land speculators, and for the expoiters." Helen Keller

It absolutely must be time for the "worm to turn" in another direction.

Sally, Thank you for putting up a new article on your BD. The info about the Solar return is good to know too. [I won't dread mine as much anymore.]

Well, I'm excited about what Pluto is doing because my natal NN is conjunct the GC. With tPluto on the cusp of my 11th house and about to move onto them I figure I will get a cosmic message I can't ignore! [Since nMars is opposite the GC, I'm hoping it's a gentle tap. Oy.]

I have to love Gemini energy too because my natal Mercury and Mars are there and my Dad was one.

Sally, I got a huge, strong, good feeling when I read what you posted about the 29 Libra Mercury in '08 and the retro 29 in 2000. I think this is big.

Another reason I feel good is that in the upcoming battle, which also will be huge, the Democrats have all their ammo stockpiled while the Republicans have blown their wad. The timing is so accurate for the Dems now, and they will take off like a cosmic wrist rocket
after being held back for so long.

Politics is exciting again. The eerie desolate silence is broken, and like any war, it sure looks like the tide is in favor of the Dems. Plus, they have the truth on their side.

You know what intrigues me?

After 35 years, the Swift Boats of Viet Nam are right here. Something is begging to be worked out.

I feel I need to explain something about Pluto to the Galactic Center or to any point in the Zodiac. Things don't just "happen" with the slower moving planets, Saturn to Pluto, they take years to play out. Often there isn't a "sudden event" and it will be years before one looks back and can say "oh that's what that was about, that's when my life changed." So don't become discouraged if you don't see something major happening or if something does happen there is not a resolution to the situation for a minimum of two years and often longer, individually or collectively. A good example is when Pluto was at this point in 1760, it was 14 years before the Revolution started and another 13 before the war was over and we became a real country. Pluto on the Galactic Center took 27 years to play out.

Very interesting, Sally. How do you suppose the Pluto-GC Conjunction might play into the energy set off by the Uranus-Pluto Square in 2011-15? Or even the tPluto-Natal US Sun Opposition in 2014-15?

Talk about a revolution in the making...

November 20, 2005

Corruption Inquiry Threatens to Ensnare Lawmakers

By PHILIP SHENON

WASHINGTON, Nov. 19 - The Justice Department has signaled for the first time in recent weeks that prominent members of Congress could be swept up in the corruption investigation of Jack Abramoff, the former Republican superlobbyist who diverted some of his tens of millions of dollars in fees to provide lavish travel, meals and campaign contributions to the lawmakers whose help he needed most.

The investigation by a federal grand jury, which began more than a year ago, has created alarm on Capitol Hill, especially with the announcement Friday of criminal charges against Michael Scanlon, Mr. Abramoff's former lobbying partner and a former top House aide to Representative Tom DeLay.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/20/politics/20lobby.html?pagewanted=print

Judi G,
Good observations about ¥our "litter mates". You are certainly NOT like them.
Last night, my daughter was trying to get me to embrace the notion that we are all one, all alike. I Can't choke that one down!
I don't have the energy to gently convert the ignorant to see the error of their ways, at this point in my life. SHe sees that as the only road to personal success.
Speaking of ignorant! Of course the Dems are getting slammed for not voting thruough the Repug resolution. Nobody seems to be asking the #1 question....If Murtha, a Democrat, proposed the resolution, to pull out of Iraq, why was it a resolution put forth by the Repug Duncon Hunter, that they were left to vote on?
Now on Cspan they have 2 lukewarm centrist journalists, and are taking more calls from koolaid drinking Repugs. Turned it off, when they started that tired old Hillary rhetoric.
ANd we have hours of fun with Rumsfeld schedukled for this morning!! Ugh! I dated one of his "littermates", a self named "cottonmouth" ( strikes without warning, unlike a rattle snake!)
So it's off with TV today!
PQ

Yea, verily, PatQ... at some basic energetic level we are "all one." Other than that, the "we're all one" comes across as a phoney disingenuous nasty way to remove focus off the perpetrator of misery n' crimes & on to the recipient of its crimes. You know... like charles manson's victims sorta asked for it because... well, they karmaically lived in the wrong neighborhood... "bad karma." Or it's the rape victim's fault because... s/he shouldn't have crossed their eyes in that particular way or worn that particular color or walked on that particular parking lot. Makes me sick! It's "New Age" same-old same-old in my carefully considered opinion.

True spiritual teachers never say such clap-trap. Jesus said "Woe to them" who perpetuate crimes... tho it definitely doesn't seem like the perpetrators get much of that "woe!"

I have thought about this forgiveness, accountability, we're-all-one paradox alot and I definitely agree with you Joanna.

I think and talk about it with friends as I'm sure you all do. It is difficult to grasp, but I understand it this way:

In this world, we are responsible for keeping civilization going and society orderly, so must remove those particpants who obstruct that process. Then there are the codes of justic, fairness and ethics. It seems all tribes (and we started as tribes) have such a code and they seem to be based on a sacred code, either taught by the Creator or intuited from the soul levels. Therefore, we are all one and we can love and have compassion for each and every being but breakers of the code cannot be allowed to continue to do so and to allow that would be unhealthy. Many humans are evolved to the point that they stop themselves (although even they/we can be broken down at times to lower behavior), but those that cannot stop themselves, must be stopped, and we can even reflect on the fact that we do so out of love. That is the difficult part - feeling anger and hurt and finding the love and compassion, but it is there.

My friend subscribes to Norma Gentile's newsletter (she pioneers the sacred voice and is very intuitive). The last one she sent me talked about how anger can be healthy - it can flush out the system, but after giving it a good flush, we must move on.

Buy gold? Is that really such a, um, sterling investment? Remember the Gold Confiscation of April 5, 1933?

One of my earliest enduring financial memories is aunts'and uncles'consternation over confiscation of my Great-Grandmother's gold. The phrase "Roosevelt confiscated it" still rings woefully in my ears.

Look before you leap.

...and so the struggle for inner emotional resolution and mastery and to quiet the inner turmoil goes on.

I have come to the conclusion lately after much reading and reflecting that this is one crucial step in the reason that we are here - to master and resolve the reactivity and inner emotional war. There is an Indian saying - save me from my greatest enemy --- myself. Richard Gere was on TV in a special about the Dali Lama. He was saying that his greatest purpose in this life is to study and understand the mind, to understand how it creates illusion and drama. Once you really understand, you can drop it. I think that we must monitor the human race and hold it accountable, but we must do it from a wise, mature and high level of detachment, not from a level of reactive anger. Not easy, but the people I admire most are doing just that. I think that participating in a role of public service can bring that out in you as you would want to set a high example (thinking of Dennis Kuccinich, Conley, Boxer, etc.) but then there are those little temptations that many give in to (Cheney, Bush, Delay).... I'm sure there are Democrats that do, also...hopefully, the number is very minimal. It's interesting, though, to see the process of justice -- whether it's karmic, spiritual, or societal -- work so well.

Remember....we are Spiritual Beings on a human

journey. Each doing our own thing to return to

The Source.

Falwell fighting for holy holiday
He'll sue, boycott groups he sees as muzzling Christmas

- Joe Garofoli, Chronicle Staff Writer
Sunday, November 20, 2005

Evangelical Christian pastor Jerry Falwell has a message for Americans when it comes to celebrating Christmas this year: You're either with us, or you're against us.

Falwell has put the power of his 24,000-member congregation behind the "Friend or Foe Christmas Campaign," an effort led by the conservative legal organization Liberty Counsel. The group promises to file suit against anyone who spreads what it sees as misinformation about how Christmas can be celebrated in schools and public spaces.

The 8,000 members of the Christian Educators Association International will be the campaign's "eyes and ears" in the nation's public schools. They'll be reporting to 750 Liberty Counsel lawyers who are ready to pounce if, for example, a teacher is muzzled from leading the third-graders in "Hark! The Herald Angels Sing."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/11/20/MNGVDFRH081.DTL

Sharon, interesting about the sacred code you spoke about. I think of the basic laws that are universally agreed on, i.e. protect children and the weak, treat others fairly, don't murder, etc. as the Code of the Mammals. By and large every mammalian species (and some others) follows this "got to get along together so our gang can survive" code.

My husband was a very bright, original thinker and his idea was that the human thirst for justice is based on symmetry. The pattern of our bodies is symmetrical, and we are uncomfortable at a very basic level when things are out of balance.

This would also explain why those who would be unjust feel the need to vilify their perceived enemies. "See, those (Liberals, foreigners, poor people, etc.) are (traitors, murderous, lazy, etc.) and it is only just for us to treat them this way."

Well, I guess I'm just stating the obvious here.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/11/20/MNGVDFRH081.DTL

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The Bush dynasty and Roe vs. Wade
Rubbery politics runs in the family
- Vicki Haddock, Insight Staff Writer
Sunday, November 20, 2005

If the U.S. Supreme Court does someday reverse Roe versus Wade, a large share of the credit, or blame, is likely to go to the one family most responsible for reshaping the court -- the Bushes.

Between them, George Bush the Elder and George Bush the Younger will have nominated at least four out of the nine justices, including Bush's pending nominee to replace moderate Sandra Day O'Connor, the swing vote on abortion cases. There's no guarantee how new Chief Justice John Roberts or nominee Samuel Alito, if confirmed, will rule, but many court observers predict a court more skeptical of a constitutional right to privacy, much less any constitutional guarantee to unfettered access to abortion.

Although abortion activists on both sides have conspired to cast Bush as a fervent crusader on this issue, there's evidence to suggest that the current president may be less of an ideologue on the subject than he is a political pragmatist.

NEO, the Uranus/Pluto square is another "pressure" if you will, toward change throughout the world, all the aspects of course impact more than the US, and some countries will be more directly impacted than we are because of their energies more closely resonating with the 26 degree.

Gold: Dawn, 1999 sure would not have been the time to buy dot.com stocks but 1989 would have been great and we could have all been rich (if we sold by 1999) What was happening in 1933, and the reasons for that have changed, and they will probably change again. I think the days of making money by holding onto every single solitary thing is over, money managers must be astute (and I know a lot who are) The clients I suggested they buy gold 8 years ago have made a lot of money with that investment, right now I don't know what price gold is settling, but I do know it will rise further over the next 5 years. I remember when gold was such a cheap metal you could buy it at the 5&10 store, not anymore, but it will be a cheap metal again but not for at least 6 to 8 years. From 1960 to 1968 it was around 35 dollars an ounce, went up to $41 in 1969, dropped back to $35 in 1970 and up to $40.80 in 1971 and it's been rising ever since. It is now over $500 and is expected to rise to $1000 an ounce, at some point it will begin falling again. I just wish I had bought some in 1970. FDR didn't take the US off the gold standard, he was basically taken off because of rapidly falling prices and the Federal Reserve.

I'm certain many of you caught this, but the Congress voted itself a $3,100 pay raise on Friday. Oh yeah, that's a shining example of responsibility! Oh, and lest we forget pulling "ourselves" up by our finely-crafted, specially ordered, gold-plated bootstraps. :)

On the above, most excellent discussion. We are not alike. Each entity has a specific vibration, and energy field. Karma, i believe, has been misunderstood, just as we misunderstand energy. I'm not waving any new-age theory. Physics will bear out the above.

One thing, i've found to be consistent with most all Human entities, is our willingness to consume energy-robbing guilt or holding on to some fixed belief. The Universe is in flux and so are we. Constantly tuning our individual energies is part of life's challenge. The best example would be a piano You have to tweak and tighten the strings on occasion to keep in tune. If the soundboard cracks or warps, you need to get a new piano (change energy bodies).

Violence (all crimes, hatred, etc.) is committed by entities who are, in actuality, stealing energy. The reasons are multiple. Yes, such entities need to be seperated from others. But! We are imprisoning people for many other reasons than violent crime. In doing so, we fail miserably as a collective, and continue to perpetuate the need to steal (energy).

On the other end of the scale, those who just voted themselves a huge pay raise in Congress, and those who manipulate markets, etc., etc. are stealing energy on a large-scale basis. Their criminal conduct is contributing to the malaise of an entire world. Should they be punished? How? Will "karma" play a part? Most likely, those same entities will be attracted to the same "energies" again. What are the solutions?

karen

Really interesting, Karen.

I know from observing myself that there are things that I don't do again after experiencing hurtful results. I think the prison systems are something of a joke in that there are still people there with influence who are allowed somehow to manipulate the system - so they learn that manipulation pays as they are still able to do it.

I don't think we are alike. I think, as teachers like the Dali Lama tell us, that we are all cells, organs, limbs, etc. in one body...so in some way, we all affect each other and create the collective energy network. I've always liked the quote that said something like --- as long as one of my brothers is not free, I'm not free. Souls do become free of this plane and of their emotions and desires, but maybe that quote is the reason they keep coming back.

Today's Washington Post Editorial - with which I
strongly disagree. Bush and Cheney are responsible
for tens of thousands of deaths and they MUST ANSWER questions on why they went to war. WAPO
seems to be trying to cover for them IMHO.

Irresponsible on Iraq

Sunday, November 20, 2005; B06

A SERIOUS congressional debate about Iraq is essential at a time when public support for the mission is falling and the danger of failure seems great. Aggressive challenges to the Bush administration's military and political strategy -- even calls for an immediate withdrawal of troops, such as that made by

Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.) on Thursday -- must be part of that democratic discussion. Yet what we've mainly seen during the past two weeks is a shameful exercise in demagoguery and name-calling.

Democrats accuse President Bush of deliberately lying about the grounds for war three years ago. Vice President Cheney responds by calling accusations by the Democrats "dishonest and reprehensible, " while Mr. Bush claims his critics "send mixed signals to our troops and the enemy." Mr. Murtha, a 73-year-old former Marine, was said by the White House to advocate "surrender to the terrorists" and called a coward by Republican members of Congress. He replied by smearing Mr. Cheney and Mr. Bush as "guys who got five deferments and never been there, and send people to war."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/19/AR2005111900951_pf.html

Ahhh, Sharon... that's an interesting thot... getting "rid of emotions & desires." Ain't never going to happen. How utterly drab & lifeless existence would be without our feeling responses/experiences. I've never seen a Buddha figure without a beatific smile on its face. Getting rid of feelings/emotions or egos for that matter is not possible... for are they not energy complex bits? Just because one refuses to learn the use of a diaper doesn't mean the diaper should be thrown away... it just means the child will be pooping all over whatever it's sitting upon. What a mess, yes?!?!

Because thoroughly dishonest patriarchy has refused to learn something about feelings/emotions/desires, which creates empathy for the "Other," doesn't mean those inherent qualities can be disgarded. Maladroit patriarchy merely waits for the explosion... then makes money off'n it. All of manifested Life appears to have feelings/emotions/desires... human becomings are no different tho it imagines it can be above all that Messy Stuff. Sometimes they say "right desire" is okay... whatever that means. ;O)

LICENSE TO KILL

Man thinks 'cause he rules the earth he can do with it as he please And if things don't change soon, he will. Oh, man has invented his doom, First step was touching the moon.

Now, there's a woman on my block, She just sit there as the night grows still. She say who gonna take away his license to kill?

Now, they take him and they teach him and they groom him for life And they set him on a path where he's bound to get ill, Then they bury him with stars, Sell his body like they do used cars.

Now, there's a woman on my block, She just sit there facin' the hill. She say who gonna take away his license to kill?

Now, he's hell-bent for destruction, he's afraid and confused, And his brain has been mismanaged with great skill. All he believes are his eyes And his eyes, they just tell him lies.

But there's a woman on my block, Sitting there in a cold chill. She say who gonna take away his license to kill?

Ya may be a noisemaker, spirit maker, Heartbreaker, backbreaker, Leave no stone unturned. May be an actor in a plot, That might be all that you got 'Til your error you clearly learn.

Now he worships at an altar of a stagnant pool And when he sees his reflection, he's fulfilled. Oh, man is opposed to fair play, He wants it all and he wants it his way.

Now, there's a woman on my block, She just sit there as the night grows still. She say who gonna take away his license to kill?

- Bob Dylan

Sharon, i wholly agree that we are all part of a larger energy network. How this works, i can only dream about, since it is far more complex than i can wrap my thought around.

One thing, i do believe, is that we are ALREADY quite free. Some actualize this freedom (one that has enormous responsibility). Those entities, like the Dali Lama, Budha, Jesus, Don Juan Mateus, and so many others, attempted to show us this freedom with evidentiary action. Don Juan Mateus referred to this as personal power.

Yet, personal power is sublimated the moment we step on this earth. The system of sublimation -- by petty tyrants -- in many cases, is intentional.

Those entities who intentionally manipulate, to me, are the greatest criminals. Petty tyrants set rules and standards that benefit them and exclude others.

To be willingly send another Human to fight a war, in which you yourself will not particpate, is the work of petty tyrants. It's heinous. Yet, millions were willing to participate (one way or another), even cheer, this inhumane decision. Why? Why? Why are we so blinded by this need to "prevail," to support petty tyrants?

Most entities in prison, with the exception of deviants, are no more criminals than you or i. The most egregious criminals are those who commit mass murder literally and of the spirit, yet we call them leaders.

karen

Dear Beasly, I read the Dean letter to Fitzgerald yesterday and was not moved by it. Tell me why you think it important? Surely you must be seeing something in it that I am not. I do heartly agree with Dean in his assertion that security clearances should have been and absolutely must be revoked as soon as possible with some firings included.
Perhaps it is not time just yet for him to use the full extent of his plenary power.

Shylurker, I got your reply. Thanks and am sorry I missed the article.

The "Sunday Times of London" is stating that Steven Hadley is the source to Woodward.

The "Los Angeles Times" is reporting today that German Intelligence warned U.S. Administration and the C.I.A. that source (Curveball) of pre-war intelligence was not reliable.
See these last two stories at
http://www.huffingtonpost.com

The biggest problem we have is separating these leaders from the whole organism as if they are imposed upon it. They actually spring out of the collective as symbols of the place and time. That's why removing them does no good. We all have to change this on an individual basis, clear our own selves from crime, and continue the best we can till enough catch up and the leaders we create reflect this growth. No other way than from the smallest inner seed outward.

We have to be aware of all the wrong doing but I think we have to be equally cautious that we don't steal too much life force away from correcting ourselves.

Well, Joanna, here are somemore of my thoughts, not a complete concept by any means...

It's interesting that the Asian cultures seem the most controlled and disciplined emotionally. I find that repressive but maybe that is why those cultures are able to meditate (some of them anyway). What I'm thinking is a place where we would be more detached from most (?) of the drama and knee jerk emotional reactions to it - a place where you're very blissed out from either meditation or drugs (only kidding) and are also looking at the bigger picture...at the giant wheels moving rather than the small ones...and realizing that in the overall scheme, the higher realms, many of these problems are not worth the upset we put into them...especially when there is already a process happening with a meaningful end in sight. Another part of that is that healthy and mature people seem calm, not emotionless (maybe I'm thinking of Europeans now). And another way of looking at it is that we're all on a team and need to find a way to get along harmoniously...however, something gets in the way of that. Call it ego or an overreaction to lack of self esteem -- I'm not exactly sure. By the way, most of this is not me - maybe that's why I'm so intrigued. I do believe, however, that there is definitely a time to stand up and fight...and sometimes rage is righteous. As you can see, I'm confused about the entire matter but have been trying to put together a world view of the best way to be human for a long time :-)

Poll (Americans are waking up, folks!): Is it unpatriotic to question Smirky&Co's Iraq policy while our troops are over there in that hellhole fighting and dying because of it? [Er, I rephrased the question a tad.] Scroll down a bit; it'll be on the right-side of your screen.

http://www.cnn.com/

Dear Beverly,
I think it's just that:"the full use of his plenary powers."

"To right-minded Americans, the idea that Administration officials have betrayed their national security obligations, yet remain in their jobs, is nothing short of appalling. Beyond politics is patriotism: Patriotic Americans want to see you not only prosecute those who compromised and endangered Valerie Plame Wilson, but also force the Administration to clean house with respect to those who did this, which you can accomplish through appropriate civil action.

As one who does know something about the way Washington works, I hope you will actually use the plenary powers you have been granted to implement what I understood to be the announced policy of the Department of Justice for which you work -- a zero tolerance policy for leaks. " That was John Dean in the last part of his letter.

I am impatient, Beverly. And I want Fitzgerald to book them all for even mentioning Valerie Plame. Why was she such a hot topic of discussion amongst these guys. Hadley?, Woodward, Libby, Rove, Russert? Why was she being discussed at all if this government was safe guarding her and it's investment in her as an invaluable asset, and us...?

But your answer cautions me to be patient. "perhaps it is not time just yet..."

I also think Dean is worried that without a Congress to probe...as in Watergate...we won't get to the bottom of this if Fitzgerald doesn't come down hard on these guys now. The thought crosses my mind as well...will we have to wait until 2006 when just maybe the composition of our Congress is more Democrat than Republican? Patience, patience.

Hope I have answered your question.
Best regards,

Hi Everyone!

Just took the poll Shylurker posted and (pardon the joke here but I just can't help myself today) it was like déjà vu all over again.

I was attending Kent State during the Vietnam War and remember very well this same issue that we should not protest against the President's policies during wartime. The Republicans have been indicating that last few days that we are giving comfort to the enemy to protest and demand a withdrawal. Been there, done this!

Interestingly enough, yesterday someone on CNN (I think it was but can't be sure -- having a brain fog day! hey..I'm getting older!) stated that it was like we've forgotten all about our lessons learned in Vietnam. Honestly, it is like this country has developed selective amnesia and learned nothing about what happened to us then. We are replaying the same things over, and over, and over again.

Here's something interesting...for those of you old enough to remember Robert McNamara, this is a chilling almost exact replay of what we've seen in this administration:

IMDb user comments for
The Fog of War: Eleven Lessons from the Life of Robert S. McNamara

....."At the Pentagon I was struck by the almost total concurrence McNamara's policies and statements enjoyed among civilian leaders and generals alike. McNamara, I thought then and now, was not a man who needed sycophants. He was simply so sure he was right that it probably never occurred to him to wonder why he rarely encountered disagreement. I particularly remember Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman General Earle Wheeler as a mindless echoer of the secretary's thoughts.

A brilliant documentary and a fair one too. McNamara clearly wants this film to be part of his legacy without it being an apologia. He does admit the United States was wrong in misjudging the nature of Vietnam and its history, wrong about assessing on-the-ground intelligence and wrong in not securing support from nations with traditions and values similar to ours (a curious and somewhat Europhilic anachronism). At the end he clearly and brusquely cuts off questions about personal guilt that, I'm sure, he will never be ready to address. Fair enough."

.....more
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0317910/usercomments

It has always been my theory after many years of studying metaphysics, is that although we think we may have learned our lessons, the Universe frequently retests us to see if we really got it. From what we've been though these past years I'd say those in power sure didn't.

Kathleen, don't know if you have time but wouldn't it be interesting to create two columns side by side, one for Vietnam and one for Iraq/Afghanistan
with times and similar quotes?

Some columnist should do it--I'm sure it would be picked up and widely republished

If I weren't still up to my a** in alligators I would do it, but can't right now.

AWs, the metaphysical discussions are very interesting and the insights, I think, indicate why this is such a harmonious site.

Almost forgot--here is link to interesting article about the war profiteers of our current "You bleed, we profit" foreign policy.

http://www.missoulanews/com/News/News.asp?No=3591

Has anyone seen the documentary by Robert Greenwald entitled:

"Uncovered: The Whole Truth About the Iraq War," A New Documentary That Reveals How the Bush Administration Lied the Nation Into War

I saw it today for the first time on Sundance. I don't remember ever hearing about it before, and thought it was new, but was stunned to see that it was done in 2003 and released by moveon.org on DVD. I just can't believe I hadn't heard of it before. Anyway, if you haven't seen it, it is worth seeing, or even seeing again, as it is so relevant to all the issues about this Administration's lies about going to war. And, while I appreciate Michael Moore's documentary, Greenwald's was a done in a straight forward interview of experts which, to me, gives it even more of a sobering impact.

...."The film deconstructs the administration's case for war through interviews with U.S intelligence and defense officials, foreign service experts, and U.N. weapons inspectors -- including a former CIA director, a former ambassador to Saudi Arabia and even President Bush's Secretary of the Army. Their analyses and conclusions are sobering, and often disturbing, regardless of one's political affiliations."

....more
http://www.truthuncovered.com/

clips from documentary: http://www.archive.org/details/uncovered_interviews

New York Times review: http://movies2.nytimes.com/gst/movies/movie.html?v_id=299651

http://www.robertgreenwald.org/press_lat82704.php

http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/03/11/int03031.html

http://www.robertgreenwald.org/about.php

Wow, you folks are on it tonight!

Sharon, if you'll go to post # 9 on this thread over at DU, there are a few stunning photos of how Europe has handled its water-threatened cities, in sharp contrast to our "approach". Perhaps you can put the photos to good use.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1938012#1938073

Kathleen, our Women's Club showed "Uncovered" in the meeting room of a library a little over a year ago and we got a bomb threat.

All, there is a good article on StarIQ now about money and oil:

http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0006692.HTM

I'll restate my assumptions for the "New Age" or the "Age of Aquarius"............................back in the 60's - 70's.........................
That we would be able to communicate nonverbally by this time!
If that were possible, we could share our wisdom and knowledge of history in our own time with the younger population.
I don't know what percent of the current population, is young enough that they cut their teeth on this neocon rubbish, that's being promoted since 1980, I suspect it's quite high & that's a large part of the problem.
I just picked my new 2006 Children's Writers and Illustrators Market Book. In it there is actually an article titled,
Authors Rise to the Challenge of Censorship!!!!!!!!!!!!
PQ

Thank you, Shy, I will go there and share it with Myron. I just finished watching the 60 minutes piece on whether NOLA should be rebuilt and it was damn depressing. It leads me to think that it can only be rebuilt on a smaller scale. Apparently, from what Myron hear, it will take 15 billion to get the levees right, and another 15 billion to repair the coastline erosion. Even if we go the European route, it will probably not change the price (or it might be more). Thus, Myron feels LA needs to just start collecting more on oil revenues. Example: Texas gets money for 3 miles out into the Gulf whereas LA gets to collect only 1 mile out. An earth science prof. on 60" said that 99 years from now, the coastline will be right at the edge of the city which will then be 15+ feet below sea level. So, it really will be like Amsterdam, although I don't know it's depth. It all sounds so expensive and there are so many unknowns like the number of strength of future storms. Well, where there's a will there's a way but I hate to see all of this effort wasted.

Thanks, though.

On Barbara's link to StarIQ...

* Democratic Capitalism” - Even Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan, a devotee of supply-side economics, has expressed worry. Said Greenspan: “The income gap between the rich and the rest of the US population has become so wide, and is growing so fast, that it might eventually threaten the stability of democratic capitalism itself.” (4) Greenspan seems oblivious to the contradictory meanings of “democratic” & “capitalism.” Capitalism is autocratic, slavery being its purest form. Democracy seeks to spread wealth throughout society. 'Democratic capitalism' is thus an oxymoron."

And so it is... we have fascio-capitalism... & so little to do with "Democracy" that it becomes apparent the Pushers of this nonsense... that there's "Democratic Capitalism"... it becomes apparent somebodys are pulling a fast one & a mind f*ck. Well, duh...

"During the 20th C, the USA had its best economy when laws restrained capitalists, in the 3 decades following the great depression of the 1930s and WWII. The free-trade mania caught fire in the middle 1970s [among the "white" supremacist guys). American capital flowed to countries that did not protect workers rights or the environment. The gap between American rich and poor has been growing since then. I hasten to add that I do not blame the mercantile aristocracy. They merely played their role."

Full blown nonsense. Then we folks need to "merely play OUR role" & march 'em off to the newly spiffed up guillotines. That'd be good.

"Their role calls for them to maximize profits by cutting labor costs."

Baloney.

"It was not their job to think through the long-range consequences."

Terrible bullsh*t... pure apologist crap!

"Some like to quip, 'In the long run, we’re all dead.' Thus they will present billionaire carcasses to the maggots and pass mammoth debt on to future generations of Americans."

I like the thot of maggots, too. And just on what basis do "we" expect the "future generations" to obediently comply with this... um, inevitable debt. They're much more likely to say "screw you buddy-boyz... go to hell!" Really, the assumptions are just mind-boggling... stupidly linear... & stupidly arrogant.

...oh... & stupidly calculated to herd the sheeple in a par-ti-cu-lar direction. We will see. ;O)

Posted on Salon's TT:

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/006075.php

WMDgate: Fixing Intelligence Around Policy - The Aluminum Tubes, Part 2A-4
This post is part of a series (see Introduction, Part 1, Part 2A-1, Part 2A-2, Part 2A-3) focused on building a case to demonstrate the Bush White House's intelligence manipulation, fixing and misrepresentation, mostly using published Congressional reports like the Phase I Senate (SSCI) Report, the Robb-Silberman WMD Commission Report, etc. While it is clear that even without the use of Congressional reports, the case against the Bush White House is pretty solid - see here and here for example - I wanted to demonstrate that the parliamentary reports, rather than make the case against the White House weaker, actually make it stronger. [Note: All extracts from published reports may have lost some original formatting (in particular, italics). This is unintentional, but it does not change the meaning or content in any way.]

In Part 2A-1, I showed that an examination of CIA reports on the aluminum tubes prior to early September 2002 made it clear that the Bush administration's "ignorance" defense (that the CIA never told them that alternative uses were possible for the tubes) was false. In Part 2A-2, I extended the analysis to the DIA (and to a lesser extent NGIC) reports. The CIA and DIA were the two prominent agencies trying to push the view that the aluminum tubes were more likely intended for uranium centrifuges, but they both repeatedly acknowledged that alternative uses for the tubes were possible (in contradiction to the claims of Bush, Cheney and Rice). In Part 2A-3, I showed that the intel reports from the DOE (the IC's nuclear experts) actually reached a very different conclusion - that the tubes were most likely intended for a conventional weapons application (rockets).

More...

..........

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/cgi-bin/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=5952

and this comes from FTW:

Another target was former State Department Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) officer Greg Thielmann who spoke about how intelligence was skewed by the neo-cons.

It is not known whether Thielmann's colleague at INR, John Kokal, also voiced concerns about similar issues. We will never know, because tragically, Kokal's shoeless body was discovered in a 20 feet window well, 8 floors below the top of the State Department building early in the evening of November 7th. Contrary to what the State Department said about Kokal, senior State Department sources report that not only was the diplomat a top Iraq specialist, he regularly briefed Secretary of State Colin Powell. The Kokal incident is too reminiscent of the alleged suicide of British Ministry of Defense weapons of mass destruction expert, Dr. David Kelly (who is said to have committed suicide with a dull pen knife and over the counter drugs). Kokal was the first foreign affairs official found dead at the bottom of a foreign ministry since Czechoslovak Foreign Minister Jan Masaryk's body was found in the courtyard below his window in 1948. Masaryk's defenestration preceded the total Communist takeover of Czechoslovakia.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/120503_rove.html

Here's another interesting link

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/suicide-dont-fall-for-it.html

here's another:

http://www.libertythink.com/2003_11_23_archives.html

* bush tried to make a quick exit from a news conference in Beijing on Sun - only to find himself thwarted by locked doors. ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4454738.stm

;O)

http://www.wanttoknow.info/secrecygraham

Washington Post Owner
Advocates Secrecy in Press and Government


"We live in a dirty and dangerous world. There are some things the general public does not need to know and shouldn't. I believe democracy flourishes when the government can take legitimate steps to keep its secrets and when the press can decide whether to print what it knows."
-- Katherine Graham, owner of the Washington Post

More...

good rant Joanna! couldn't agree more...

Joanna...and bushaholic is a maldroit patriotic malaprop?

I believe we exist on a vibratory scale...all connected, of course, some more than others, by the frequency they vibrate at. If you are vibrating at red (100 mhz), you will feel comfortable with others at that level. If you are vibrating at violet, lets say 1000 mhz, the red zone will make you crazy. BTW...male energy tends to vibrate at red, female at violet....but we are all on the scale somewhere! and as we evolve, towards the light, we evolve higher in the vibratory frequency....we see, feel, hear, experience much more 'there' in the higher realms than we do in the earthly realms.

So you can be born on the same day, share the same birthday, be subject to the same planetary influences, but your vibration frequency will change the experience you have....you will see, feel and interpret these experiences differently.

Ever been in a room with all male energy as a woman? in a room with all women if you are male? or a room of all gays if you are straight? Besides getting a contact high and fitting in, in some cases, you might want to run screaming from the room in others....! HA....been there, done that. Meditation seems to raise ones vibratory rate....so that emotions don't run the show so much. That's my take....nothing wrong with emotion per se ..... but they will run your show when in fact, it might be more enhancing to get thru to the other side and see what the real show is about....capice?

Money and power, where does THAT vibrate on your personal screen?

My vibratory rate doesn't include correct syntax and grammar (or spelling) apparently....sorry, too lazy to edit.

Had an early Thksgvg lunch with family...the other grandmother told me (she's 3 years older than I am, has MS) that she is calling herself a 'sometimer'.....sometimes she remembers, sometimes not! I loved it...(I was telling her that my 96.5 yr. old mother is
a "sundowner".....)

PS...read a good article on a woman needing to be president of the USA....and profiling some historically strong women leaders: Elizabeth I (no mention of II), Catherine the Great, Indira Gandhi and Margaret Thatcher...all cut from the same cloth....pretty interesting....smart, educated, savy, good strategists, but also cruel and unforgiving, and lovers of flattery....and lavished great gifts on all her favorites. Iron Maidens, all....(love it that Thatcher's son is now a felon. All that law and order stuff comes back to bite.)

Hey, let's send some AW vibrations to OK by responding to this poll about bringing troops home from Iraq. It needs help, lots and lots of help:
http://www.kswo.com/

(Poll is mid-page, just scroll down a tiny bit and blow their minds.)

Did anyone catch that tiny piece on Okinawa tonight on CNN?
They have the highest longevity rate and best health into old age of any population. Most live to be well over 100.

They narrowed the reasons down to vegetables, romance, optimism and enjoyment of life. They are amazing. The old sunny disposition. I wonder if we could come up with a chart?

The more I look at it, the more I see last week's events as a great victory. The administration's attempt at squelching dissent failed. They are now retreating, and I think it's clear that our traditional use of dissent and criticism will continue with vitality. With a renewed vigor, perchance? And I'll bet they have blown their use of the word "patriotism" after calling a decorated marine a coward. I guess they don't know much about military men, do they? I don't really think those red staters are going to like it at all.

Barbara, here is an interesting article by MELVIN R. LAIRD, Secretary of Defense from 1969 to 1973, that compares the two wars. It's a long article but I've picked out few things that struck me as being alike in both wars. Most of the information listed below can be found here unless indicated otherwise:

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20051101faessay84604/melvin-r-laird/iraq-learning-the-lessons-of-vietnam.html

Vietnam: General William Westmoreland requested a raise in U.S. troop commitment from 500,000 to 700,000. Once President Johnson heard of this, Westmoreland was put into a different position so his "more-is-better philosphy" would be reduced by the Pentagon in time for the upcoming presidential campaign.

Iraq: Gen. Eric Shinseki, the Army Chief of Staff testisfied before Congress that occupying Iraq would require "several hundred thousand troops." "He was shot down by Rumsfeld deputy Paul Wolfowitz, who disparaged it publicly as "wildly off the mark.""

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1316/is_7-8_35/ai_106096932

Vietnam: "The war needed to be turned back to the people who cared about it, the Vietnamese. They needed U.S. money and training but not more American blood."

Iraq: Well, same sentences as above except insert Iraqis in place of Vietnamese.

Vietnam: "Even with the tide of public opinion running against the war, withdrawal was not an easy sell inside the Nixon administration."

Iraq: Change Nixon in above sentence to Bush.

These following paragraphs regarding Vietnam has so much in common right down to the intelligence failures, manipulation of intelligence, and even the part where Congress gives the president (Johnson/Bush) powers to escalate/initiate war.

"Both the Vietnam War and the Iraq war were launched based on intelligence failures and possibly outright deception. The issue was much more egregious in the case of Vietnam, where the intelligence lapses were born of our failure to understand what motivated Ho Chi Minh in the 1950s. Had we understood the depth of his nationalism, we might have been able to derail his communism early on.

The infamous pretext for leaping headlong into the Vietnam War was the Gulf of Tonkin incident. My old destroyer, the U.S.S. Maddox, was patrolling the Gulf of Tonkin 25 miles off the coast of North Vietnam on August 2, 1964, when it was attacked by three North Vietnamese torpedo boats. That solitary attack would have been written off as an aberration, but two days later the U.S.S. Maddox, joined then by the U.S.S. Turner Joy, reported that it was under attack again. From all I was able to determine when I read the dispatches five years later as secretary of defense, there was no second attack. There was confusion, hysteria, and miscommunication on a dark night. President Johnson and Defense Secretary McNamara either dissembled or misinterpreted the faulty intelligence, and McNamara hotfooted it over to Capitol Hill with a declaration that was short of war but that resulted in a war anyway. I, along with 501 colleagues in the House and Senate, voted for the Tonkin Gulf resolution, which was Johnson's ticket to escalate our role in Vietnam. Until then, the United States had been part bystander, part covert combatant, and part adviser.

In Iraq, the intelligence blunder concerned Saddam's nonexistent weapons of mass destruction, which in the end may or may not have been Bush's real motivation for going to war. My view is that it was better to find that Saddam had not progressed as far as we thought in his WMD development than to discover belatedly that he had. Whatever the truth about WMD in Iraq, it cannot be said that the United States slipped gradually, covertly, or carelessly into Iraq, as we did into Vietnam."

Those are just a a sample of the similarities.

One thought I have after reading through the aticle is that the author, to me, does not appear to be concerned that we were lied to about the reasons for going to war and appears to almost shrug it off and inidicates that we were still justified to go into Iraq for American security.

That alone could be considered another comparison to Vietnam (remember the Domino theory). That issue of downplaying the lies is something that bothers me -- a lot! I get the impression that he believes Bush really did this for democracy, while I think Bush and this administration had far more selfish and greedy ulterior motives for what they did and only fell back on the democracy theory because their initial reasons for going into Iraq became a huge liability and failure. Call me a member of the tin foil hat brigade or a conspiracy buff, but that's just MHO.

I believe we DO talk non-verbally right now over the internet. Never heard your voices. All our talking is silent.

Yes PAt Q, Cbook people are very aware of censorship and speeches at the LA conference were almost all political. Way to go getting the CWIM! I'm a judge for a prestigious book award now and giving an anti-war book the highest score, Hope it wins.

For me, God thinks sh*t and a rose smell alike. No division. The All One state. However, the mind, which is also Shiva, can be dualistic and non-dualistic simultaneously. We merge into the One in-between the thoughts, in between the breaths.

How's about this for Saturn, ladies and gentlemen of the galaxies?

When he tried to leave the press conference and the door was locked he said...

"I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work."

That's uncanny, jm. Reminds me of one of his campaign speech quotes on terrorism: "You can run, but you can't hide!"

Hey George, who's trying to run away now?

Thanks, Kathleen, I'm going to print out that article. I agree with you about Bush's motives. That man wouldn't recognize Democracy if it punched him in the nose--which I'm hoping it will do sometime soon.

Ending the Occupation

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/112105Z.shtml

In a bombshell that reverberated throughout the country, Congressman John Murtha called Thursday for an immediate withdrawal of our troops from Iraq. "The US cannot accomplish anything further in Iraq militarily," Murtha said. "It is time to bring [the troops] home.... They have become the enemy." Phillis Bennis of the Institute for Policy Studies says there is a civil war raging in Iraq, but not a conflict between Sunni and Shi'a. It is a clash between those who support the occupation and those who oppose it. She estimates there are only about 1,000 armed terrorists that target civilians. If the US ended its occupation, the Iraqi resistance forces would continue to fight each other for a while, but they would isolate the hardcore terrorists.

Facinating...

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/

The Higher Coincidence

They must like something 'bout the number eleven,
Kinda like November 22.
And Flight 11 and 77
Hit a pentangle and a giant 11 - Paranoid Larry

Everyone seems an armchair numerologist these days. Following the Jordan bombings, CNN's house curmudgeon Jack Cafferty ranted "Don't think it wasn't a coincidence!" that the attacks occured on 11/9. Also last week, Knoxville's John Gilmore predicted to local columnist Ina Hughes that the "Illuminati" were going to deliver something very big, and very bad, last Friday, 11/11.

From Washington Post

Jewish Group Votes to Oppose Alito

The Associated Press
Sunday, November 20, 2005; 6:52 PM

HOUSTON -- The largest branch of North American Judaism voted on Sunday to oppose Samuel Alito's nomination to the U.S. Supreme Court.

More than 2,000 delegates of the Union for Reform Judaism adopted a resolution saying Alito would "shift the ideological balance of the Supreme Court on matters of core concern to the reform movement" on abortion rights, women's rights, civil rights and the scope of federal power.

The vote came at the closing session of the group's biennial convention, which was held in Houston Wednesday through Sunday.

During a debate before the vote, Jeff Wasserstein, a former law clerk for Alito and a self-described liberal Democrat, argued in favor of Alito's nomination, while Elliot Mincberg, vice president of People for the American Way, argued against it.

The Union for Reform Judaism represents about 900 synagogues in North America with an estimated membership of 1.5 million. Of the three major streams of U.S. Judaism _ Orthodox and Conservative are the others _ it is the only one that sanctions gay ordination and supports civil marriage for same-gender couples.

The Senate Judiciary Committee plans confirmation hearings on Alito's nomination in January.

___

November 21, 2005
NYT Editorial
Accountability Begins at Home
It is hard to think of a more dangerous situation in Iraq right now than to have disenchanted Sunni Arabs believe that the police forces are in the control of Shiite gunmen who can detain and torture Sunnis at will. So the Bush administration made a good start by insisting on an immediate investigation of all Iraqi detention centers after the discovery of what looked like a Shiite militia-run torture chamber in the heart of Baghdad.

Doing that meant brushing aside objections by the Interior Ministry, run by a powerful Shiite leader, and putting a scratch in the thin veneer of Iraqi self-governance. But it is vital to show support for ordinary, law-abiding Sunnis. That vulnerable community has seen enough of its human and political rights trampled by elements of the ruling Shiite coalition. Unless the administration ensures that those rights are fully respected, neither the Dec. 15 elections nor the constitutional revisions that are supposed to follow have much chance of creating any semblance of a unified, democratic Iraq.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/21/opinion/21mon1.html?pagewanted=print

November 21, 2005
Iraqis Say There Should Be Troop Timetable
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 11:30 a.m. ET

CAIRO, Egypt (AP) -- Leaders of Iraq's sharply divided Shiites, Kurds and Sunnis, seeking common ground for their political future together, agreed Monday there should be a timetable for the withdrawal of foreign troops, and that resistance was the right of all -- but that acts of terror should be condemned.

After hours of negotiations at the Arab League, the participants in a national accord conference reached a final statement aimed at showing the points of agreement between the communities.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/international/AP-Egypt-Iraq-Conference.html?pagewanted=print

Happy Birthday Sally! What is it about a birthday that we so look forward to it, even as the ages become less graceful, and the spoils of our birthdays become less eventful and exciting?
why does it give 53 year old ladies (me) pleasure to tell you all about my "Special" day, (the 28th) even though it means little to anyone except maybe someone else born on that day.
thanks for your excellent reporting

Long, but a good story...

The Man Who Sold the War
By James Bamford
Rolling Stone

Thursday 17 November 2005

Meet John Rendon, Bush's general in the propaganda war.
The road to war in Iraq led through many unlikely places. One of them was a chic hotel nestled among the strip bars and brothels that cater to foreigners in the town of Pattaya, on the Gulf of Thailand.

On December 17th, 2001, in a small room within the sound of the crashing tide, a CIA officer attached metal electrodes to the ring and index fingers of a man sitting pensively in a padded chair. The officer then stretched a black rubber tube, pleated like an accordion, around the man's chest and another across his abdomen. Finally, he slipped a thick cuff over the man's brachial artery, on the inside of his upper arm.

Strapped to the polygraph machine was Adnan Ihsan Saeed al-Haideri, a forty-three-year-old Iraqi who had fled his homeland in Kurdistan and was now determined to bring down Saddam Hussein. For hours, as thin mechanical styluses traced black lines on rolling graph paper, al-Haideri laid out an explosive tale. Answering yes and no to a series of questions, he insisted repeatedly that he was a civil engineer who had helped Saddam's men to secretly bury tons of biological, chemical and nuclear weapons. The illegal arms, according to al-Haideri, were buried in subterranean wells, hidden in private villas, even stashed beneath the Saddam Hussein Hospital, the largest medical facility in Baghdad.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/111805N.shtml

The last CWIM, directory I had from 2003, made no mention of censorship, although I am aware oif it nowadays. More than one xtian Mother has stated in the library that she doesn't allow her children to read them. No move to control the library's offerings......The Nation is promenently displayed!
I am impressed with the honest, open, self aware assessments, offered to my query about "oneness". I'm ruminating on them.
GMA had a piece on Indigo Children this am. Diane Sawyer interviewed a family of 5 with 3 children approx. 4 - 7- 8 or 9.
All 3 of them had "strikingly blue eyes"; and the parents both had hazel or brown eyes? A question no-one on the show asked or answered. The youngest girl insists that she is her Grandmother, reincarnated. Her Mother says she has knowledge of facts and events, that she couldn't know in any other way. Did her Grandmother have those blue eyes? I wish there had been a 20 20 longer program on the family.
Well back to work..............
PQ

I meant to say xtian Mothers don't allow her children to read the Harry Potter Books!
PQ

Hatred blinds U.S. to truth: Journalist
By CP

Four years after 9/11 and the "crazy zeitgeist" that permeated the United States, most Americans have still not learned to know their enemies instead of just hating them, U.S. political journalist Chris Matthews says.

In a speech to political science students at the University of Toronto yesterday, the host of the CNBC current affairs show Hardball had plenty of harsh words for U.S. President George W. Bush, as well as the political climate that has characterized his country for the past few years.

"The period between 9/11 and Iraq was not a good time for America. There wasn't a robust discussion of what we were doing," Matthews said.

"If we stop trying to figure out the other side, we've given up. The person on the other side is not evil -- they just have a different perspective."

He said Bush squandered an opportunity to unite the world against terrorism and instead made decisions that have built up worldwide animosity against his administration.

“Iraqis Say There Should Be Troop Timetable”

CAIRO, Egypt - Leaders of Iraq's sharply divided Shiites, Kurds and Sunnis, seeking common ground for their political future together, agreed Monday there should be a timetable for the withdrawal of foreign troops, and that resistance was the right of all — but that acts of terror should be condemned.

After hours of negotiations at the Arab League, the participants in a national accord conference reached a final statement aimed at showing the points of agreement between the communities.

The three-day gathering was held to prepare for a wider conference due to be held in February in Iraq, part of a U.S.-backed league attempt to bring the communities closer together and assure Sunni Arab participation in a political process now dominated by Iraq's Shiite majority and large Kurdish minority.

More...

http://tinyurl.com/8ygft

The ego and its vehicle, the human body, allow us to have an earth experience. One I'd like to point out is the experience of polarity or duality .If you read the first 75 pages of "Boundaries" by Ken Wilbur, duality becomes very understandable. My favorite example of his in relating how opposites create each other and define each other and how impossible it is to seperate them is simply to draw a half circle. Just try to draw concave without convex. Try to create white without black to define it. Love/hate, etc.! To give attention-energy to one is to give it to both. Once knowing this it is easier to become trans political or trans anything else, moving from judgement to discernment......As to our all being one at some level: In July 2002, close to Jupiter transiting my Uranus/Jupiter natal conj in my 9th hse, I walked out the dike I live next to, knowing I was walking through the landscape of my own consciousness and attending to nature.
Suddenly I had an extra religious or cosmic consciousness experience. I seemed to leave the planet looking back at it as one looks at one's body in a near death experience. As an experiential fact I then knew we are all connected at spirit and the earth experience was best explained by Shakespear as a stage.....Hope I haven't strayed too far off topic....Nameste, Captain 10-15-54 7;44 AM, Seattle

Dear Beasley, Your excellent comments more than answered my questions. Thank you.
I am terribly impatient also. The longer these issues drag on the more damage and destruction this administration can do. I am trying to maintain that Libby's obstruction is the reason Fitzgerald has not sought revocation of security clearance, firings, because he can't prove it beyond a doubt right now. But who really knows.
Fitzgerald's indictment last week of Conrad Black is a good sign though as it indicates again that he is more focused on the "crime" rather than protecting the "elite."
Perhaps some other "big" thing will catch up with this administration to bring them down even before the resolution of the Plame investigation. Since so many journalists have been the center of this investigation I wonder if we will experience big court battles regarding sources, protection of sources, national security, etc. which will really put a drag on progesss. Not to mention "executive priviledge" that Cheney will enlist if need be.
Perhaps our answers to removing this administration will be found eventually in the Abermoff investigation since it's ramifications seem to spread wide and far. This whole Republican governed Congress (especially the House) has got to go. It is beyond my comprehension that these Congressional folks could vote themselves a huge raise while at the same time taking food, schooling, medical care, etc. away from the underprivledged, children, elderly, handicapped, and those in ongoing crisis is New Orleans. They have no conscious or shame whatsoever and don't know how they can look us in the face nor how they sleep at night. And they are going to propose tax cuts for the rich as soon as they can get to it!

How absolutely beautiful! I too believe that we are all connected on a spiritual level. It is the "separation" (duality) from our spiritual essence (Oneness) that is the root of all problems. Fear of ego-death is what inhibits us from experiencing or evolving to this state. Your comments are most in alignment with my own and are a pleasure to read.

Dear Captain, Those comments are from me!

Astrologers. What say you on this?

Enron Defense Has Work Cut Out for It

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/112105Y.shtml

Lawyers for Enron's former chairman Ken Lay and CEO Jeffrey Skilling, who are set for trial in January, face an unusual challenge: about 90 former Enron executives are labeled "unindicted co-conspirators."

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/001099.html

November 21, 2005
Who is Patrick Fitzgerald's "Deep Throat" Source? Is there a Counter-Leaker on Plame Case Working for the Side of Good?

There is a high level official in the Bush administration who helped give the "inside scoop" on the earliest moves by the White House in the Valerie Plame investigation -- but who is it?

On September 28, 2003, Washington Post writers Dana Priest and Mike Allen clearly note the existence of a source with knowledge about the outing campaign conducted as "a vendetta" against Joe Wilson by senior officials in the Bush White House.

This source clearly had concerns about the behavior of these officials, and to some degree, this Washington Post source appears to be a key "counter-leaker" in the Valerie Plame investigation, i.e. someone attempting to make sure that the real story about the Plame leak and reasons for it were told.

More....

Heavens...Bush met with Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra last week -- wonder if this will give him any ideas. Hmmmm...Nah! Doubt it!

A prime minister's unlucky stars
Thai leader grants no interviews, citing bad planetary alignment

Monday, November 21, 2005; Posted: 2:51 p.m. EST (19:51 GMT)

(AP) -- Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra has said he will not answer reporters' questions until next year because the alignment of the planets is not in his favor.

"Right now Mercury ... is in a corner perfectly aligned with my star. Mercury is no good, so if it's not good, I am going to request not to speak. I'll just wait until next year to talk," Thaksin told reporters Sunday after returning to Bangkok from a trip to South Korea and China.

....more

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/11/21/thai.pm.ap/index.html

That's hilarious, Kathleen.

jm - yes, although these two paragraphs seem pretty close to home.. I wonder when Thaksin's birthday is...

Since taking office in 2001, Thaksin has shown hostility toward the media, and his critics accuse him of trying to restrict press freedoms by manipulating coverage, canceling TV and radio shows, and through media takeovers by his political and business allies.

Thaksin recently has come under heavy criticism by publisher Sondhi Limthongkul, who accuses the premier and the government of trying to muzzle a free press.

Thanks Beverly

Sources close to Delay say he plans to get his case thrown our by the new judge on Tuesday 11/22:
http://www.dailydelay.blogspot.com
Their claim is that the alleged violations took place before the new law was instituted. Perhaps they will be overturned???
But Ronnie Earl is still requesting/subpoenaing records on Roy Blunt's ties to Delay through records from his "Rely on Your Own Beliefs Fund."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/17/politics/17delay.html?pagewanted=print

Kathleen: That's a neat story on the Thai Prime Minister. Astrology is taken much more seriously in that part of the globe and in U.K. too. What they consider a normal everyday part of life, we (the majority) consider just plain wierd or off the wall in this part of the globe.

Bob Graham has written an article which appears in yesterday's Washington Post titled "What I knew Before the Invasion." I won't link as they require sign-on but it can be found eaisly enough in google. It is good amunition/justification against those who are claiming "Congress got the same information as the President" which is a lie.

"What's Eating Dick Cheney"? by Laura Rozen
http://villagevoice.com/news/0547,rozen,70189,2.html

Here's the link to the Wa Po article by Graham. I hope you can just click on it and read it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/18/AR2005111802397.html

Dear Pat C, Micheal Isikoff is speculating that Richard Armitage is somehow "a source". He made this claim on "Unconventional Wisdom" last evening (WGN-Chicago) hosted by Jim Warren and Mike Tackett. It's an all politics show. He wrote it up for this weeks Newsweek edition. I was flabbergasted and am not sure if Armitage was cast in a "good light", but I guess I need to remember that Armitage "was against the war in Iraq." Outlandish, isn't it?

Things are just popping out all over the place --or have the chickens come home to roost!

Lawyer pleads guilty in Abramoff case
Scanlon charged with conspiracy to defraud Indian tribes
Monday, November 21, 2005; Posted: 5:39 p.m. EST (22:39 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Michael Scanlon, a former aide to Rep. Tom DeLay and a lawyer who worked with high-powered Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff, pleaded guilty to conspiracy Monday.

........"Prosecutors detail a "stream of things of value" given to an unnamed congressman, identified in the court documents as Representative No. 1."

......"In the court documents, prosecutors allege Scanlon and Lobbyist A, "together and separately, sought and received Representative No. 1's agreement to perform a series of official acts, including but not limited to agreements to support and pass legislation, agreements to place statements into the Congressional Record, meetings with Lobbyist A and Scanlon's clients, and advancing the application of a client of Lobbyist A for a license to install wireless telephone infrastructure into the House of Representatives."

Officials would not identify Representative No. 1."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/21/scanlon.plea/index.html

My, my....this sounds like the making of a good scandal once the congressperson is identified....dare we think DeLay????

My, my....this sounds like the making of a good scandal once the congressperson is identified....dare we think DeLay????

Sorry about the double sentence above...not sure how that happened...

Beverly -- thanks for the "What's Eating Dick Cheney"? by Laura Rozen posting! Excellent!!

Watched Cheney today, well listened to part of his speech -- the softer gentler approach since last week.... they are scrambling big time trying to tone done their responses.

Think things are getting to them?

Oh, do go and vote: Was Murtha motivated by principle or politics?
(You'll love the site.)
http://www.volpac.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=Home.Home&PollsPoll_id=21

I think people have yet to grasp the magnitude of the mistake. Sassing a decorated marine that way and a respected senior member of Congress. It proves how little they understand about discipline, respect, and the military protocol. All those who don't serve but shriek in favor of patriotism. It's more of the Pluto truth fest. Military people are outraged, I'm sure.

They are hoping, praying, that this will pass, and I am doing the same, hoping that this is the final nail in their military charade.

Your welcome Kathleen

Just two things I want to say on Cheney....and this is not to be understood as my giving him any slack....but I don't believe that he wants to have a torture policy just because he enjoys it or thinks it effective...but because WE ARE DOING IT and he wants it on the books for cover and legal protection when the cases come back to bite him and the C.I.A. in the back side. John McCain told Diane Rehm last Friday that he is "negotiating" with the Administration to get his no-torture policy passed against Cheney objections. Did any of you notice last week end how pro-administration his comments were on the talk shows? He is talking real sweet about this administration, telling us that the admin. didn't lie about intelligence, that we shouldn't question these things, all the typical Republican talking points, that quite frankly he is not accustomed to saying. That is how he is "negotiating." He made my stomach turn. He is selling his values to get this important proposal past, and compromising much to much to get it passed. Pay attention, I bet he has a lot more good, sweet stuff to say about these evil people as he tours the country to promote his new book. I absolutely could never contemplate him becoming our next president...as the "talk" has it.

I understand from a caller to the Thom Hartman Show, (I didn't listen to Cheney) that Cheney's speech was at 11:00 a.m. and that he "combined 9/11 and the Iraq War" in the speech to the American Enterprise Institute. He is still trying to blurr the line hoping most will make a dubious connection. He just can't change his tune for nothing. Thom also had a reporter from talkradionewsservice.com who said that the Cheney's speech was much like the one late last week.

You'll love this poll, too: How would you rate Smirky's trip to Asia?
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/

What the people need to be told and no media outlet is telling is that the Republicans have their own plan to withdraw troops beginning in January 2006. It would be a slower time table than the 6 month's proposed by Murtha. They introduced a PHONEY bill, a stupid excuse for a bill asking for a up/down vote on "whether troops should be withdrawn immediately." THIS WAS NEVER THE ISSUE! AND did all but invalidate any legitimate proposal by Democrats and Murtha. That is not democratic to me....it is playing political games so that they can maintain their make believe edge. Funny, Congressional polling right now is about 28%....The truth is that they DO NOT WANT TO SHARE THE LIMELIGHT WITH THE DEMOCRATS WHOSE PROPOSAL IS EQUAL TO OR BETTER THAN THEIR OWN. THE WANT TO MAINTAIN AND INCREASE THEIR POLITICAL POWER JUST PRIOR TO 2006 ELECTIONS! That is how I see it.
It is no wonder people are dazed by what is going on. They, meaning Media and Congress NEVER do anything above board so the people can see what really happening.

Shyluker: I am coming right back to vote both of the links quick before they change. I always vote the ones you list since I seldom take the time to seek them out. Shy, HAVE YOU SEEN ANY LATELY ASKING OUR OPINION ON THE ALL IMPORTANT
IMPEACHMENT?

That one's good , Beverly. Sounds accurate.

I have a theory about Cheney and all of his fixed signs that can't adapt to change. All the others with the emphasis on fixed, too. Things have totally changed since the start of this war and his failure to adapt is his downfall. We've all moved on while he's nailed on his fixed cross. And this really doesn't go with the USA cardinal and mutable energy which debates and changes often with great flexibility and intellectual curiosity. Especially since Pluto has just transformed our natal Mars in Gemini opening us up to a new dimension. Best to drop him.

BTW, I think with our new Mars in Gemini we are seeing what is happening to some extent despite their efforts to hide it all. We can trust ourselves rather than fear them. In fact, I think it is the reverse. They are afraid of our newly developed eye. I don't think they are smart enough to figure out how to evade it.

Hello jm,
Your comments are very good and reasonable too, and seem to be evidenced with what is happening now in the populace. If we can just maintain it.I honestly can't wait until 2006 to have the changes we need. We need them now.

I have never really seen a breakdown or description on the U.S. fixed, mutable, and cardinal attributes. Your comments are very fascinating and valuable to me since they lend additional perspective to our collective political situation. It is comforting to know that we have the mutable and cardinal qualities to off-set the rigidity of the fixed, Republican mind-set. In addition to the current Mars placement, I read something recently about progressed U.S. Mars being significant in drawing us back from war and that this trend will continue for years. It was suggested that we will transform our "war" attitude by this long term progression. I hope that it is so. It may have been something of Nancy's that I am thinking of.

But, jm, I think it best for all concerned to drop them all!

It's Walmart Day on Huffington Post, and it T'ain't pretty...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

"Iraqi Leaders Demanding Troop Withdrawal"
About the 3rd story down.
http://www.dissent.blogspot.com

See/hear Cheney's "toned down" speech here too.

Yup, Beverly.

I am convinced that the Mars going retro this year is going to draw us back from war and redo our approach to aggression. And it's in Libra. so it begs for an understanding of war and peace. I think cosmically, this was the reason for the Iraq War and its monumental failure. I connect it to Viet Nam. I don't think we'll be trying anything like this for some time.

I think it was Grant Lewi who said that the fixed signs are associated with dictatorship, and the mutables, with democracy. I've always been comforted by the fact that our US Mars, the way we express our aggression, is in mutable Gemini. Historically, the people have been reluctant to enter wars. I read that we so unprepared for WWII that they had to train with cardboard weapons. How 'bout that for fierce?

I should clarify....the are demanding a timetable for troop withdrawal.

Wow, Kathleen, Scanlon pleading guilty means that he has made a deal. Nobody, nobody, nobody starts out pleading guilty these days otherwise.

jm, I agree that Americans are reluctant to enter war. There is always that all-too-brief period when we question and reason. But Americans are easily stirred up. It doesn't take too much drum beating to get our blood up and then reason goes out the window.

You're right, Barbara. Must be the Sagittarius enthusiasm and volitility. Drumbeats are interesting, how they have been used in history. But we also are willing to change course and move on with out too much deep regret, which can be good and bad. We stayed in Viet Nam way too long and we know that much. I think that's why Bush's "stay the course" doesn't fully resonate. A losing battle? I think we've got a little more sense than that.
This is such an interesting subject for me and I want to post something about it a little later. I think we are coming into a big anti-war thrust, so to speak.

Here's a small article on some research apparently following on Barbara McKlintock's genetic research which showed that environmental stressors could cause genes to "jump". i hope we see more work along these lines. It surely give credence to what many of us know -that we can influence health through love.

McGill researchers pinpoint gene changes brought on by mother'slove.

Diet, maternal nurturing and even the weather can trigger changes to that chemical coating on the surface without changing the genetic code within.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/genetic_fate

interesting comments here i've enjoyed reading the posts.

jm i look forward to your thoughts on mars retro. i've been looking at this from the energy pattern of the jule research i'm doing. i wonder if there aren't many ways this energy may manifest? One of course could be isolationism.

My own thinking is leading me to the image of the wounded warrior. (are we not a centaur nation in so many ways?) Americans have (always?) gone to war thinking they wore the "white hats". There has been a sense of self -an american identity of a person free to pursue unalienable rights of life liberty and happiness, the individual who lives in a collective. And the rest of the world wanted THAT. Of course it was illusion. Now we are all awakening to the disconnect between who we thought we were and who we are following blindly. Perhaps mars retro asks us to re-align our image and our reality of our warrior. Really become the "white hats" the tomte warrior who prevails without fighting....

We've become the Ferengi.
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Ferengi&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Companies waiting in the wings for Iraqi riches

By Leonard Doyle, Foreign Editor
Independent: 22 November 2005

On the eve of the war in Iraq, there was a shocking moment of clarity in the Commons when Jack Straw revealed that when it was all over, France and Germany would not be allowed to "get their snouts in the trough".

This public slap in the face to Britain's biggest EU partners gave an insight into what was really concentrating US and British minds. Having constructed a tortuous case for war over Iraq's lack of co-operation with the UN security Council, plans were being laid for post-Saddam Iraq excluding non-coalition countries.

Straw's remarks revealed the focused on Iraqs oil. The World's four oil giants (BP, Exxon, Chevron and Shell) , have been desperate to get back into Iraq, since being booted out in the nationalisation of 1972.

Iraq sits on the world's second largest proven oil reserves, expected to increase to reserves of 200-plus billion barrels of high-grade crude. No one doubts Bush's determination to ensure "friendly" companies gain the lion's share of lucrative oil contracts - worth hundreds of billions of dollars over many decades.

Iraq's new constitution - practically written by US and Foreign office advisors, guarantees a major role for foreign companies. Production Sharing Agreements would hand over control of dozens of oil fields, like the gian Majnoon .

After next month's elections, when a new Iraqi government takes over and contracts are signed it will become clearer how much oil was part of London and Washington's pre-war plans.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article328527.ece

November 21, 2005

Is this Woodward's Missing Article?

by emptywheel

Several months ago, I tried to figure out which journalist had been on the verge of publishing an article in late June 2003 naming Joe Wilson as the then-unnamed envoy to Niger. As I described in that post, when a second journalist tipped Wilson off to this article, Wilson called David Shipley and finally committed to write the Op-Ed that would be published on July 6, 2003. Here's one of Wilson's descriptions of the chronology:

The last straw came when Dr. Rice, in a June 8 appearance on Meet the Press, told Tim Russert: "Maybe somebody in the bowels of the Agency knew something about this, but nobody in my circles." That was a lie, and I knew it. She had to have known it as well.
[snip]
A call to a senior official in the administration elicited the suggestion that I might have to write the story myself. I took the remark to heart and called David Shipley, the editor of the op-ed page at the New York Times. He immediately offered me fifteen hundred words to tell my story.
Still, I hesitated, in the hope that pressure from journalists would force the hand of the administration. But two weeks after the Rice remark on Meet the Press, with my name now openly circulating among the press, it was clear that sooner or later my anonymity was going to be sacrificed on the altar of the story. (Politics of Truth 332)
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2005/11/is_this_woodwar.html

No, Beverly, I haven't run across a poll regarding "Impeachment". Rep Murtha pointed out that the American people are ahead of the politicians. They're also ahead of the MSM. I'd love to see a poll about impeachment, too, but I guess Smirky & Snarly gotta go down into the 'teens before the MSM can get up the fortitude to ask us about the I-word.

In the meantime, just contemplate this:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20051121/bs_usatoday/enrondefensehasworkcutoutforit

If Smirky doesn't pardon Ken Lay, et al., we're going to have to buy a humongous amount of popcorn come January. Just imagine: 90 unindicted co-conspirators!
I'm sure there are some great change-the-lightbulb type jokes that'll emanate (sorry about the pun) from this.

tseka,
Just popped in to give you this. You will love it...."The Collapse of Globalism"

http://www.motherjones.com/news/qa/2005/11/saul.html

It just occurred to me.

Maybe this severe damage to our military force that just happened is a prelude to the Mars retrograde. Can't fight a war without an army.

I'm wondering, jm, if the Mars retro will also have an impact on the production of weaponry and other products needed during wars. War and war-related products are major exports since bidness has let almost everything else slide--leading of course to enormous imports from places like China.

reads like science fiction, but is supposedly true....the latest from Sherman Skolnick
http://www.cloakanddagger.de/media/__SKOLNICK/judge_accusers.htm

Pilgrims flock to see 'Buddha boy' said to have fasted six months

By Thomas Bell in Bara District, Nepal
(Filed: 21/11/2005)

Thousands of pilgrims are pouring into the dense jungle of southern Nepal to worship a 15-year-old boy who has been hailed as a new Buddha.

Devotees claim that Ram Bomjon, who is silently meditating beneath a tree, has not eaten or drunk anything since he sat down at his chosen spot six months ago.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/11/21/wbuddha21.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/11/21/ixportal.html

WV i read this story about the 15 year old "buddha" last night, he prefers the lesser -rinpoche- no matter how one see this just to sit in the curve of a tree six months is astonishing....

Garry
your post- i read the entire link this morning Heavy Sigh, and even if only partial truth is here it adds to the general sense that we have been living in a delusional state for toooooo loooooong.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051122/wl_uk_afp/qatarusbritainmediajazeera_051122073919

Blair talked Bush out of bombing al-Jazeera: report

This from an earlier time:

http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=5945

Reporters Without Borders outraged at bombing of Al-Jazeera office in Baghdad
Reporters Without Borders expressed outrage at today’s US bombing of the Baghdad office of the pan-Arab TV station Al-Jazeera that killed one of its journalists, cameraman Tarek Ayoub, and wounded another. The nearby premises of Abu Dhabi TV were also damaged.

More...

http://www.counterpunch.org/

snip

In fact, the President's actions in regard to the "war on terror", Iraq, and now the reconstruction efforts in the Gulf basin smack of panic and political expediency: When there's a problem, throw money at it. For all of the talk about the President "accepting responsibility" for the fiasco, his speech was certainly not Trumanesque "The buck stops here" oratory; it was rather a promise to rebuild New Orleans with other people's money, saying that his people (not the President himself, mind you) had made mistakes and they would fix them.
Of course, part of the point of fiscal responsibility, after all, is that disasters do happen and the government should have fiscal leeway to respond to them. But the US today has no leeway at all, thanks to this president and his party. The "compassion and resolve of our nation" are amply demonstrated by a whopping huge expenditure, the costs of which are to be imposed on future generations of American taxpayers. Or more accurately, coming during a week which also saw the annual rate of growth in the current account deficit hitting nearly $750 billion, (more than 6% of GDP), the President's latest act of "compassionate conservatism" puts the rest of the world on notice that it is going to have to stump up even more credit for this Argentina of the northern hemisphere. One wonders whether these particular creditors' goodwill is likely to prove as durable as the levees of New Orleans.

Marshall Auerback--an international equity strategist work with RAB Capital in London.

Justice deficit America's grossest domestic product

My wife and I were getting ready to watch a spaghetti western Friday evening (specifically, Sergio Leone's "My Name Is Nobody," the Henry Fonda-Terence Hill masterpiece from 1973). A last check of the headlines suggested that something at least equally entertaining was happening at that moment in Congress. We turned to C-Span. Sure enough, the House of Representatives, a spaghetti debating club on its best days (congressmen's rhetoric being generally thin, their motives stringy and their intellect al dente), had gone smack down. The name-calling was flying. The lies were dueling. The shame was sticking to everyone. Why? Because one of their most respected conservative members had suggested that it was time to redeploy America's collective head out of Iraq's sands.

http://www.news-journalonline.com/03ColEssays.htm

http://www.harpers.org/BaghdadYearZero.html

Baghdad Year Zero

Pillaging Iraq in pursuit of a neocon utopia

Posted on Friday, September 24, 2004. Originally from Harper's Magazine, September 2004. By Naomi Klein.

During a Cheney speech on CNN, a Skull and crossbones, the international poison symbol, flashed on the screen. OK, it was a big X.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_crossbones

November 22, 2005
DeLay's Attorneys Want Charges Dismissed

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 1:22 p.m. ET

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Rep. Tom DeLay will have to wait for a decision on whether conspiracy charges against him will be dropped without a trial, a judge said Tuesday.

At a hearing, Senior Judge Pat Priest said he wanted to read written responses from both sides before making his ruling, and didn't say how long it might take. The hearing on various motions was continuing Tuesday.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-DeLay-Indictment.html?pagewanted=print

* [...]But there is hard evidence that white phosphorus was deployed as a weapon against combatants in Falluja. As this column revealed last Tue, US infantry officers confessed that they had used it to flush out insurgents. A Pentagon spokesman told the BBC that white phosphorus "was used as an incendiary weapon against enemy combatants". He claimed "it is not a chemical weapon. They are not outlawed or illegal." This denial has been accepted by most of the mainstream media. UN conventions, the Times said, "ban its use on civilian but not military targets". But the word "civilian" does not occur in the chemical weapons convention. The use of the toxic properties of a chemical as a weapon is illegal, whoever the target is. ...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,1647998,00.html

"Behind the phosphorus clouds are war crimes within war crimes" - A fine piece that also re-reminds one of the anxious Flying n' Soaring Game/Play-boyz--waaaaay up in the airy realm of mentation & away from messy Earth--continue their old grand religiose Game Plan tradition of endlessly discussing "how many angels dance on the head of a pin." To a "lowly" denizen of the Natural World--such as myself--the reality--one of them--is: what freakin' bidness does ameriCO have for spraying even so much as room freshener in somebody else's country?!? They don't. The ruminations of whether these poisons are okay & those poisons might NOT be okay is simply a hideous distraction from hideous psychotic killer wargeezer behavior.

Gee... on the above basis, was Jeffrey Daumer's REAL error whether he shld have cooked his victims at a certain temp or left 'em raw or whether he used the right cookbook or the wrong one? Apparently, these kinds of issues are very, very important... not whether he was a psychotic cannibal.

Besides, ameriCOs & americans need to get on with the REAL important behaviors of buy, buy, buy for the holiday season... umm, rev falbad has a problem with that one, too... s/b "Christmas" season... you know, remembering christ jesus, the rabid OTHER war n' rape killgeezer. ;O)

You all can see that large, black X on the video I posted yesterday to dissent.blogspot. It appears early in the speech and truly startled me as I thought something was wrong with the tape feed and I wouldn't be able to view the video. Was only momentary, and I didn't think much about it wondering if something got in the way of the camera during filming. It was funny to hear Lionel (AAR )memtion it on his program last night.

I wonder how long those 14 USian military bases will last when ameriCO invaders are forced out of Iraq... I can see the "insurgents" attacking those bases like the poor half-human creatures attacked their torturer, Dr Moreau. I really like thinking about that. ;O)

Poll: Do you find the report that Smirky wanted to bomb al-Jazeera credible?
I mean, seriously!
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20051122124109990002&ncid=NWS00010000000001

Gold price approach 18-year high of 500 dollars
Nov 22 9:16 AM US/Eastern

Strong buying by investment funds pushed the price of gold closer to 500 dollars per ounce in London trade -- a level last achieved in December 1987.

Gold prices reached 493 dollars at Tuesday's morning fixing on the London Bullion Market.

"In the market's current condition 500 dollars now looks within easy reach although a test of the psychological level might be the catalyst for hefty profit taking," said James Moore, an analyst for the specialist website TheBullionDesk.com.

WV, where did you get that gold price? Got a link?

More good news! Go to dailykos.com and scroll down to this entry:

Tue Nov 22, 2005 at 05:41:49 PM PDT

Woot! Woot! Jon Chait, one of the DLC heavvies, has gotten so sad that he's now regularly turning up on busybusybusy.com

Hahahahaha.

Scalia: Al Gore made me do it

There's been a lot of talk about rewriting history in the past few days, and it seems that Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia must be feeling a little left out.

During a speech in New York last night, Scalia said that he and his fellow justices intervened in the 2000 election because Al Gore made them do it. "The election was dragged into the courts by the Gore people," Scalia said. "We did not go looking for trouble."

As a general matter, of course, nobody can drag the Supreme Court into anything. As Supreme Court Rule 10 says, "Review on a writ of certiorari is not a matter of right, but of judicial discretion." Scalia and his colleagues used that discretion to grant review in a case brought not by "Gore's people" but by a man named George W. Bush.

Be that as it may, Scalia said last night, "The issue was whether Florida's Supreme Court or the United States Supreme Court [would decide the election]. What did you expect us to do? Turn the case down because it wasn't important enough?"

According to the New York Post, Scalia then "pointed out that studies by news organizations after the election showed Bush still would have won a Florida recount." But as Scalia surely knows, that after-the-fact justification is only half right. While post-election studies indicated that the recount the Florida Supreme Court ordered (and the U.S. Supreme Court stopped) would have led to a Bush victory, a recount of all the state's ballots would have handed Florida -- and the White House -- to Gore.

-- Tim Grieve

Feeling lonely, Mr. President?

Don't anybody tell George W. Bush or Dick Cheney, but Iraqi leaders called today for a timetable for getting U.S. troops out of their country -- and said that insurgents in Iraq have a "legitimate right" of resistance.

As the Associated Press reports, a communiqué finalized by Shiite, Kurdish and Sunni leaders Monday "condemned terrorism but was a clear acknowledgment of the Sunni position that insurgents should not be labeled as terrorists if their operations do not target innocent civilians or institutions designed to provide for the welfare of Iraqi citizens." Although the leaders did not set a specific timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops, Iraq's interior minister said Monday that U.S. troops should be able to leave by the end of 2006.

We haven't heard the GOP response yet, so we'll have to tell you later if the Iraqis are "cowards" or just members of the "extreme liberal wing of the Democratic Party."

-- Tim Grieve

Daou Report

by Peter Daou
NEW THE STRAW MEN OF IRAQ: Ten Pro-War Fallacies
Friday's hastily staged congressional vote on withdrawal from Iraq may have been designed to embarrass John Murtha, but the raucous session offered valuable insight into the various rationales for war and the tactics used to attack Democrats who oppose Bush's Iraq policy. A parade of House Republicans went after the Dems and laid out a surprisingly weak case for the invasion and continued occupation of Iraq. Here, in my view, are ten of the leading pro-war fallacies...

1. VIRTUALLY EVERYONE WHO SAW THE INTELLIGENCE BELIEVED SADDAM HAD WMD, THEREFORE BUSH IS BEING UNFAIRLY SINGLED OUT FOR CRITICISM

The typical framing is: "Democrats got the same intelligence and reached the same conclusion, so blaming Bush for misleading America is purely political." The argument is also presented in 'gotcha' form by people like Sean Hannity, who use a lengthy blind quote about the threat posed by Saddam that turns out to be from Bill Clinton, John Kerry or some other Democrat. The conclusion is that if Bush was lying, they must have been lying too.

http://daoureport.salon.com/synopsis.aspx?synopsisId=5a38ddbe-5581-43bb-bbde-cb2111fa048b

Leaking like a sieve these days:

http://nationaljournal.com/about/njweekly/stories/2005/1122nj1.htm

How will we ever recover from all this damage?

I just got an email in my junk mail box on hotmail.................
from stateing I had logged onto 30 illegal websites. &
Important:
Please answer our questions!
The list of questions are attached.
With official looking address
& phone number.
A I'm afraid to open the attachment, becasue of viruses
B. My Mac probably doesn't have the software to open it!

Anyone else get this??? Except for Wayne Madsen Report, & Smirking Chimp, the websites I visit are links from this blog....so I figure if it's legit someone here would also have gotten this e-mail.
PQ

Pat QOP, well you know you didn't visit 30 illegal websites! IF it were me I'd delete the it. Then block anything coming from them. I follow a good number of the links from here and I didn't get anything.

Gimme a break! What is an "illegal website" anyway? Don't respond to anything like that, Pat QOP.

Pat QOP--
That's a virus, and here's the FBI link talking about it:

http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel05/emailscheme112205.htm

The best place for continuous gold price is either:

kitco.com or
goldcentral.com

Hi Sally,

My commendations for all your great works. I am back from the storms and some minor health problems - still writing and stiring the pot. If you forgot my MC is 22:32 Libra which of course translates to 23 deg. Libra Sabian Symbol: "Chanticleer salutes the rising sun with exhuberant tones." This ole rooster has lots to say plus I have been working with AstroCollege to refine my delineation skills. Check out my Jog/Blog see if there is anything I can add to your sucessful site: http://aquariansolutions.blogspot.com
If you need some different points of view let me know. We still have a few months to go before US Sibley Mars turns Retro. and the nodes change to Pisces. I fear that this bunch in DC both Demagogues (Demos) and Reptilians (Republicans)have crossed the line way too many times and the Patriot Act is a nightmare walking.

Love and Blessings,
I am here to help...
Art Gianfermo

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