Gorgeous! What a fabulous article! A choclate covered cherry of a piece. Thanks.

We're just going to have to develop a whole new set of adjectives to keep up with your articles, Cap'n Sally! "A chocolate covered cherry of a piece", indeed! Wow.

So THIS is the WEEK of destruction for both bushes
in DC by indictments and the one in FL by Wilma.
What an intersting and devastating week ahead for
the unrepentant cons and repugs.

From Capitol Hill Blue

The Rant
Death Watch at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue

By DOUG THOMPSON
Oct 21, 2005, 08:12

For all practical purposes, governing the nation has stopped at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue as aides deal with an increasingly despondent President, mounting scandals and defecting dissidents from the Ship of State.

White House insiders say George W. Bush’s mood swings have increased to the point where meetings with the President must be cancelled, schedules shifted and plans changed to keep a bitter, distracted leader from the public eye.

“He’s like a zombie some days, walking around in a trance,” says one aide who, for obvious reasons, asks not to be identified. “Other times he launches into angry outbursts, cussing out anybody who gets near him.”

Aides say gallows humor has descended on the White House, where the West Wing is now referred to as “death row” and Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove, along with Vice Presidential Chief of Staff Scooter Libby, are known as “dead men walking,” a reference to the last walk death row inmates take to the execution chamber.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/printer_7560.shtml

Security & Terrorism
Old Bush vs. new

WASHINGTON, Oct. 21 (UPI) -- The Bush administration is bracing for a powerful new attack by Brent Scowcroft, the respected national security adviser to the first President George Bush.

A Republican and a former Air Force general, Scowcroft is a leading member of the bipartisan foreign policy establishment, and his critique of both of the style and the substance of the Bush White House, is slated to appear in Monday's editions of the New Yorker magazine.

The article also contains some critical comments on the handling of U.S. foreign policy by the current President Bush from his father, whose 1989-1993 presidency is hailed for deft management of the end of the Cold War, German unification, the first Gulf war and the collapse of the Soviet Union.

http://www.upi.com/SecurityTerrorism/view.php?StoryID=20051021-051052-6225r

Why do we sell them our souls?

By Charles Sullivan

10/22/05 "ICH" -- -- It is painfully obvious that America is a land that worships the market economy. Big money is God here. Big money is all powerful, omnipotent. All solutions, as perceived by the captains of business, therefore, must be market based. Moreover, in the moribund perceptions of the ruling elite, the market must be totally unfettered. It must exist beyond the pale of conscience, bearing no responsibility to the people, or to the earth that sustains it. It must answer only to the bottom line and reject all other input—a function that it has executed only too well.

From the market perspective, all of our nation’s problems spawned by market economics are not based upon real issues; they are matters for public relations—to be solved by public relations campaigns, not by addressing root causes. It is about manipulating public perceptions to serve corporate interests. In the corporate model, the public exists as they did in Benito Mussolini’s time, to support the fascist corporate agenda, no matter how detrimental it is to the public interest and to the earth. As we know, corporatism—itself a legal fiction—is succeeding only too well.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10715.htm

Something that I noted is that Neptune goes direct trian US Saturn. Sally I think I read once you said that Neptune square Saturn was the truth reveiled, How do you see the trian.

Also it goes direct 2 days before the end of the grand jury. There is so much in that Neptune direct chart, hope it will be one of those chocolate rooms. And it transits so many of the adminstration in some way.

Another thing to watch is the murder trial going to be going on in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. It involves murder for hire and is very close to Abramoff. a good summery of it can be found on Mad Cow Morning news. I think the Url is MadCowMorningnews.com. Or something close to that. Somebody is rolling over in that trial and it is yet to be found how high they roll.

Also that Neptune goes direct on 9/11 Saturn.

Haven't had much time to look at this. You know that red line in the middle of Wima's cone. Thats my apt. I am about ready.

Sally, absolutely fabulous work.

I'm on my way out to buy chocolate covered popcorn.

Dear Sally,
Great article, as usual. The only part I object to is when you say that Dubya didn't know what he was in for, or that he was just an innocent bystander. The man has a cruel streak and laughed as a women was pleading for her life on death row. From Mark Crispin Miller:
Bush Is No Gibbering Halfwit, He's Worse ... He's A Moral Imbecile
A BUZZFLASH GUEST CONTRIBUTION
by Mark Crispin Miller

I've long argued that Bush is not an imbecile -- that he boasts a certain species of political intelligence which we overlook at our own peril. (Also, I agree with others who have argued that he's suffering from some kind of physical or mental deterioration, and has got much worse over the last few years. To which we'd have to add that his ostensibly unbounded power has had its utterly predictable effect on him.) The notion that he's just a gibbering halfwit is a rather pleasurable one to many who detest him. I've always argued, and still think, that the situation is in fact much worse than that.

In one sense, though -- and it's exceedingly important -- Bush is a sort of imbecile: a moral imbecile. How much of this relates to, say, his neurological condition, and how much of it relates to the condition of (what we would have to call) his soul, I don't pretend to know. But there is something definitely missing there. For one thing, he's incapable of what child psychologists call reciprocity. He can't see things from any viewpoint other than his own, which he deems always right because it's his; and if you see things differently you're wrong, and bad, because your viewpoint isn't his. (He's often made it clear that he and God see things exactly the same way.) And then there's his amazing incapacity to recognize the difference between truth and lie. Specifically, he seems to be unable to perceive that his own propaganda lies are propaganda, or -- sometimes? often? -- that they're even lies. He also seems unable to perceive that claims of which he disapproves, or with which he disagrees, are not propaganda.

As I note in Cruel and Unusual, he once rejected the idea that big food corporations ought to be required to list all the ingredients in their products: "I sense they want to run a propaganda campaign," he said -- referring to those who wanted all ingredients clearly listed. On the other hand, when he refers to "history," he's usually referring to some propaganda lie that, since everyone (him included?) bought it, must be precisely what occurred.

So here he is today, refusing or unable to perceive that there is something deeply wrong -- illegal, immoral, unethical and ultimately lunatic -- with his regime's vast covert propaganda program. Since "there is a Justice Department opinion that says ... these pieces are within the law" and "factual," there can be nothing wrong with them, he said.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse -- and neither is denial of reality. To say that he should be impeached does not begin to do him justice.

Great article Sally. Although I do think Rove and Cheney are on the evil side of the Bell curve. Shrub may be Shrug, but he has perpetrated a hug war based on a huge lie to the American People and the World. This, I cannot forgive.

Jean, the Abramoff associated murder for hire was also associated with Delay. Salty stuff. Ready to be revealed.

I think Bashir Al' Assad's days are numbered in Syria. I've been talking to my Lebanese friends. Some say nothing will change. But the planets do not bode well for Assad. But as Napoleon said, "apres moi, le deluge." So, now what. More chaos in the area until some other unspeakable horror emerges as head of state there?

That was supposed to be huge war, not hug war.!!##

Excellent Sally! Next week will be extremely interesting. I like this Fitz guy, he has the capacity to heal some seething, festering wounds. We shall see what happens.

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Oh Sally ,
I love it! This is the best article you have done!
I saw Willy Wonka for the first time at age 61, on Turner Classics, after having spent that expensive year at art school, age 57 ( 2nd Sat return) enduring my classmates, teachers, and visiting lecturers bashing of the 70's; creativity, economics & politics.
After seeing WIlly W I thought "no wonder they are bashing it!" but the point was; there was the freedom to be creatively extreme! Unlike the 90's!
After a day of "hard work" digging holes & sawing wood, to get my mailbox up again, and crawling around with rigid insulation & duct tape to batten the last places for cold air to enter the house...I was too tired to do ANYTHING! WHat a treat to find the article here!
PQ

I missed it the first

Jean, did you make a typo when you wrote:
Sally I think I read once you said that Neptune square Saturn was the truth reveiled, How do you see the trian.

Did you mean the truth REVEALED? Because the truth REVEILED would mean it got veiled over again...just wondering. Interesting if it is a typo, but needs defining!

Sally, I've never seen the Willie Wonka movie or read the book, which I can hardly believe...but back in '04 I was asked to do a Sprint PCS commercial using and OOMPA LOOMPA and I had no idea what the hell that was! The O.L.s were stealling the socks out of the dryer (well, didn't you always wonder where the socks went?)....

Funny how most of this stuff has revolved around fairy tales, or whatever you want to call them....it started in 2000 with 'The Emperor has no clothes" and is ending with Charlie....

Unless of course, it all gets reveiled.

WV...god, Lewis Lapham is a a god of prose.... To sum up fascism (he also is talking about Umberto Eco's writings on fascism):
Roosevelt appreciated the extent of fascism's popularity at the political box office; so does Eco, who takes pains in the essay "Ur-Fascism," published in The New York Review of Books in 1995, to suggest that it's a mistake to translate fascism into a figure of literary speech. By retrieving from our historical memory only the vivid and familiar images of fascist tyranny (Gestapo firing squads, Soviet labor camps, the chimneys at Treblinka), we lose sight of the faith-based initiatives that sustained the tyrant's rise to glory. The several experiments with fascist government, in Russia and Spain as well as in Italy and Germany, didn't depend on a single portfolio of dogma, and so Eco, in search of their common ground, doesn't look for a unifying principle or a standard text. He attempts to describe a way of thinking and a habit of mind, and on sifting through the assortment of fantastic and often contradictory notions -- Nazi paganism, Franco's National Catholicism, Mussolini's corporatism, etc. -- he finds a set of axioms on which all the fascisms agree. Among the most notable:

The truth is revealed once and only once.

Parliamentary democracy is by definition rotten because it doesn't represent the voice of the people, which is that of the sublime leader.

Doctrine outpoints reason, and science is always suspect.

Critical thought is the province of degenerate intellectuals, who betray the culture and subvert traditional values.

The national identity is provided by the nation's enemies.

Argument is tantamount to treason.

Perpetually at war, the state must govern with the instruments of fear. Citizens do not act; they play the supporting role of "the people" in the grand opera that is the state.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10710.htm

Jean, the trine of Saturn and Neptune is the opportunity to ground your dreams into reality. Remember this is a Universal aspect, not just for the US but for everyone, it will be especially impactful on those people or countries that have coordinates in the same mathematical path as the trine (as it is with every aspect)

Enjoyed the article as always, Sally. I'm really looking forward to the week ahead.

Care to predict what day this will all go down?

Last night ( brfore discovering WW & Fitz here) I was so bored I rearranged my "favorites" list. Somehow I lost the WayneMadsen report? SO I went to the google list for madsen and found this!
Will this be one of the chocolate rooms?

Scheme to Assassinate Wayne Madsen?
by N. Twine Saturday, Aug. 27, 2005 at 5:17 PM
Is the Bush Cabal So Desperate?

http://worcester.indymedia.org/news/2005/08/1534.php

PQ

This is profound, Sally. You've managed to "stand back" and observe from a distance the comic tragedy that the Willy Wonka fable illustrates, one that parallels this administration's acts.

I can't remember the character's name, but in WWonka, the young girl who wants what she wants WHEN she wants it reminds me of Bush. When someone (Fitzgerald?) finally tells him "NO!" Bush is going to blow up!

Correct me if i'm wrong, please, but Chiron seems to have a duality, for within the wounding is a healing. One feeds the other, or can. To me, the greatest learning opportunities (applicable to an individual and nation) are often harsh. It is only AFTER this wounding that we see the depth of character beneath, hidden from view all this time by some self deception.

As a nation, we need to experience the harshness of reality, to see what has been hidden. It can be the beginning of great awareness, allowing healing to occur.

karen

Here's a good reference article on the HAARP and who owns it and how it's being used to create all of the weather anomalies these days.....

http://www.onlinejournal.org/Commentary/102205Mazza/102205mazza.html

Transiting Moon conjuncts his Uranus on Wed the 26th and Mercury Squares. With the Mercury square he could just suddenly get fed up and start down his list but I think it will be the Moon trigger. The transiting Mercury squae to his Uranus makes him feel like he's on pins and needles too, and that's not a particularly patient aspect so I gotta tell you he is looking to surprise everyone and it could be any day this week, but because of the transiting Moon I will say Wed.

Thanks Sally. The anticipation is excrutiating.

It may be good to tell yourself it could be NOTHING, because it could be. But doubtful! Oh yeah, he put up a website to post non-indictments. So I just talked myself out of that one!

Sally, It seems like Jupiter moving into Scorpio will also support Fitzgerald in the months ahead, as it will begin soon to sextile his Sun, trine his Moon, and sextile his Pluto/NN in Virgo. So many of the issues revolving around the Plame leak are Scorpionic or Plutonian in nature: the CIA itself, the secrecy and lies of the WHIG to maintain power, the destruction caused by the Iraq war, which was born out of these very lies. Jupiter in Scorpio will hopefully bring all of this stuff into the legal realm for assessment. Because as murky as Pluto can be, it also completely dismantles that which does not act in accordance with the larger laws of the Universe.

Sally, I am reading a fab article in the latest Esquire called Greetings from Idiot America by Charles P. Pierce (it may be online somewhere)....One of the paragraphs sounds so much like the influence of Neptune (he is writing about how Intelligent Design has suddenly become 'viable' by the idiots of america, when this country was founded on the premise of having an EDUCATED citizenry.)

"The rest of the world looks on in cockeyed wonder. The America of Franklin and Edison, of Fulton and Ford, of the Manhattan project and the Apollo program, the America of which Einstein wanted to be a part, seems to be enveloping itself in a curious fog behind which it's tying itself in knots over evolution, for pity's sake, and over the relative humanity of blastocysts versus the victims of Parkinson's disease."

I am hoping that the proximity of opposing Saturn to Neptune by transit will suddenly and thoroughly wake people up to the reality of the material world and put 'gut' based religion back to where it belongs....as part of one's personal faith, maybe, but not promulgated as 'science'.

I watched both Chris Matthews and Tim Russert this morning....I have never watched either of them before, and I wanted to see where they were going with the current news. I think Matthews did a poll and found that 100% (the nine people asked in the media) said that the Libby level people will be indicted, but that it wasn't a majority of the 9 who thought that it would reach to Rove or above.

that would be a major disappointment, wouldn't it?

And it was interesting to see Kay Bailey Hutchinson trying to nail Bill Clinton once again, also saying that Martha Stewart should never have gone to prison for SOMETHING SHE SAID ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WASN'T A CRIME (I heard the same 'talking point' come out of the mouth of a local SF politician on a local show, so you know it IS a rethug talking point). So it looks as if they are going to put that defense forward also....but as Frank Rich said, it sounds like the 'twinkie' defense. (In reference to the Dan White murder trial defense - Dan White shot and killed the mayor and gay coucilman Harvey Milk in SF back in 1978 or 79 and said it was because his blood sugar was high from eating a twinkie....he was acquited, at which point, the gay community rioted for 2 days in SF. Dan White committed suicide years later....perhaps after eating another twinkie.)

Hutchinson looked decidedly put upon and nervous.

So....how far will Fitzgerald go up the ladder in the indictments is the question, not IF he will indict, but how far up the chain....that is the question.

Here is a link to the deep background on the Plame outing....and of course, when we look at the timing of when the law against outing a CIA agent was passed, and who pushed it through, it is quite ironic in its current implications....a really helpful read....
http://www.tomdispatch.com/
While we await the indictments to come, consider the strange history of the 1982 CIA shield law that triggered the process (as Steve Weissman explains it below). It was a backlash law, a dream law of the right; it was a response to the 1960s, to the Church Committee's revelations of CIA assassination plots, coup attempts, black propaganda operations and the like, to the urge to put even minimal constraints on an "intelligence" agency that had run amok in the world; and it was a response to the "rogue" CIA agent Philip Agee who named names.

Sally...that law was passed in 1982...23 years ago....in response to Philip Agee's book written in 1974 and published in 1975. We have a Saturn cycle climax....from outing to outing....and Bush to Bush at both ends. I can't do all the astro on this timing....I don't know what to do it with....to the USA chart, or the birth of the CIA or ....?

When I said there will be "disappointments" with these indictments is the fact they won't go far enough and it isn't the "trial." The Plame investigation is only the tip of the iceberg. There is still the Franklin Investigation and the Abhramoff Investigation and they all intertwine pointing to obscene corruption involving money laundering, greed, lies, maybe murder, spying, in short the "selling of the US" These investigations not only involve the Plame leakers but Senators, Representatives, involves voting fraud, Iraq and the 6 billion gone missing. This is a huge operation. Just in the US alone, it involves the Federal Reserve Bank and Greenspan, our law makers (Democrats and Republicans) some corporations, bankers all over the world, the Catholic Church and their Bank, it's huge and it has only begun to unravel. This is the hydra I've talked about, and the Plame investigation is only the opening of the door. We will be in chaos for years over this. Doubtful that too many will ever see jail time, but the important thing is they will be crippled and struggling to rise.

Read this, it's just another little piece. We, including me, want quick answers but there aren't any quick answers, however, there are answers and with any luck people like Fitzgerald will get to them.

http://www.amconmag.com/2005/2005_10_24/cover.html

When I basically said Bush is a victim of all this, he is, just as we all are when we don't care enough about our fellow man to make a difference, and he doesn't care. He doesn't care about the torture, he doesn't care about people dying or starving, he doesn't care if innocent people are languishing in prisons, he doesn't care about the poor, the crippled, the sick, the mentally ill. He doesn't care if this country goes down the drain. So if someone says to him "sign this" we need to torture, we need to steal, we need to kill, we need to ignore, he says "OK" because he doesn't care.

Since the current Bush take over in 2000, our foreign and domestic policies have been 'delusional'. Is that not a great one word for this administration?
Still reading Charles Pierce on how this delusion relates to 9/11....and he quotes both Richard Clarke and David Phillips, who had put the Balkans back together in the 1990's, in reference to how this administration functions:. "When information surfaces that contradicts your firmly entrenched views, you dismantle the institution that brought you the information. There was going to be candy and flowers, remember? The war was going to pay for itself. Believe. We went in blindfolded, and we believed our own propaganda."
"It's delusional, allowing delusion to be the basis of policy making. Once you've told the big lie, you have to substantiate it with a sequence of lies that's repeated."

So, Sally....will that Saturn/Neptune transit be the tipping point of all the lies?

Sally...you posted the above when I was writing mine...that is a seminal piece of writing....and direction. Hard hitting and covering the 'front' of the conflict....thanks. It will be sent to the people I know....

I always reduce astrology and energy down to the lowest common denominator. I think the one big flaw of their thinking, actually of all of our thinking, is the limit of their experiences as human beings. The idealogs live in a huge bubble with like minded people and it all looks so good on paper. Sometimes I think we give them more credit for having a handle on their "evil" minds because we (the masses) have a bigger think tank out here in each other than they do. Remember the "they'll throw flowers at us for liberating them?" If you read the blogs at that time there were thousands out here who were saying "in your dreams." The obvious involvement in 9/11 and the belief they could cover it forever is also a joke. Like the "aspens" they are flat out too rooted and connected at those roots to be able to incorporate any other type of thinking but their own and that will be their downfall.

whew...yes, you have got the picture nailed....

Sally, in line with what you are saying ....
from Pierce article:
"On the same day, across town, a top aide to former sec't of state C. Powell told CNN that Powell's pivotal presentation to the UN in which he described Iraq's vast array of deadly weapons was a farrago of stovepiped intelligence, wishful thinking, and utter bullshit.
"It was the lowest point in my life," the aide said.

just read this on D.U....
Have you ever heard that FEAR is actually an acronym for
False Evidence Appearing Real?

In this case, if one was promulgating false evidence, one would HAVE something to fear....it being exposed as false!

So Eleanor Roosevelt was right...(FDR stole this from her I've heard)..the only things we have to fear is fear itself.

The Case against the Cheney Cabal
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/102305A.shtml
Whatever news Fitzgerald makes this week, the case has shed light on how Cheney and his clique of advisers cleared the way to war, and how they obsessed over critics who got in the way. The Cheney gang has been fighting a battle for decades with the intelligence bureaucracy, which they see as "dim and timid."

Leak Case Renews Questions on War's Rationale
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/102305B.shtml
The legal and political stakes are of the highest order, but the investigation into the disclosure of a covert CIA officer's identity is also just one skirmish in the continuing battle over the Bush administration's justification for the war in Iraq.

CIA to Avoid Charges in Most Prisoner Deaths
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/102305C.shtml
Despite indications of CIA involvement in the deaths of at least four prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan, CIA employees now appear likely to escape criminal charges in all but one of those incidents, according to current and former intelligence and law enforcement officials.

....then of course there is Tom Flocco.

http://tomflocco.com/fsCiaPlameCaseIndictments.htm

http://tomflocco.com/fs/CiaPlameCaseIndictments.htm

Published on Sunday, October 23, 2005 by CommonDreams.org

10 Reasons Bill Moyers Should Be President

by Scott Beckman

For many years I have reached out and tried unsuccessfully to bridge the differences between Democrats and myself despite the fact that these efforts have never resulted in anything more than dashed political hopes. My simple plea has been for Democrats to earn my vote-and most of America's-by standing on a people-centered platform and selecting a world-class Presidential candidate to champion it.

I simply disagree with my friends who say that superior leadership doesn't make a difference. Therefore, in the face of their constant discouragement, I have continued to reflect on what the leadership I can support would look like and who in the Democratic Party might embody it. At this moment in time, I've concluded that it is found in the person of Mr. Bill Moyers.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1023-27.htm

October 22 2005 by MW Mandeville (Black Canyon City, Arizona)
>>
> BULLETIN ITEM: Info War Alert: WILMA Provides Almost A Complete U.S. News Blackout
>
> Sunday October 22, 2005 observation for the weekend:
>
> All media channels have been entrained into "WILMA" by unbelievable hours of coverage. And this is just for the warnings and assurances of preparations.
>
> 90% OF THE COVERAGE IS NOT NEWS. At the local level it is useful. At the national/international level, it is smoke.
>
> What is the Imperial Faction and their oil-soaked monopoly, bubble-dominated New York Mass Broadcast Disinfo Media hiding?
>
> Bush's indictment for high crimes?
>
> Condaleeza Rice meeting with Jack Straw to cook up the war plan for regime change in Syria?
>
> Both?
>
> Or the Media's confusion about how to respond?

> Best Wishes, Michael Wells Mandeville,
> The Hills of Arizona USA at mwman@earthlink.net
> Master Website Index is at: http://www.michaelmandeville.com

Surprise, surprise, guess who used to work for Gilead, makers of that worthless Tamiflu vaccine? Why Rummy, of course....

http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=1443

WV, I do think Mandeville is correct about the run up to war with Syria (it's easier than Iran, so they think) Rice basically said they didn't need to go back to Congress for an act of war. Their go ahead on the Afghan war on "terrrrrorism" was all they needed for the Executive office to declare war when ever and on whom ever they wish.

Beasley, "Apres nous, le deluge" was Louis XV, not Napoleon Buonaparte. The words were actually spoken in 1757 by Madame Marquise de Pompadour, Louis XV's mistress. It was quite a prescient statement. The French Revolution started in 1789 during the reign of his successor, Louis XVI. Napoleon did not begin to rule until 1799, as part of a three-person Consulate, and with several steps in between, did not become Emperor until 1804.

Don't miss this one (including comments):
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/10/23/215650/48

In addition, Joshua Micah Marshall over at talkingpointsmemo.com is definitely wearing a furrowed brow over whatever this development is.

Noelle,

Thanks for the facts. Madame de Pompadour! to be exact. Forgive my ignorance.

Can't we all see Shrub locked up there in Camp David plotting with Andrew Card as to what to do now. Here we go...Cheney resigns, Condi becomes Vice Pres. Bush is impeached. Condi becomes President and pardons them all.

The only thing Condi ought to be nominated to is the Dunce's chair. She's an idiot and a sorry candidate if there ever was one to be the very first Female AND African-American President of the US. Besides, isn't the Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert next in line?

Guess it really doesn't matter. One way or another, Bush and his cronies will likely be pardoned, anyway. Which is why we need an International Criminal Court strong enough to trump US sovereignty and pull all of the Bush Cabal to stand trial for their crimes at The Hague. The US is so far out of line that only a united world body will able to set this country straight.

http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=7743

Let Justice Be Done
Though the heavens fall…

Colleagues call for removal of New York Times journalist in CIA leak case

Gary Younge in New York
Monday October 24, 2005

Guardian

The New York Times continued to implode under the weight of internal criticism yesterday as the public clamour for one its most prominent reporters, Judith Miller, to be removed from her job gained pace.
The row threatens to engulf one of the country's most venerated newspapers in a bitter dispute over its reporting of the Iraq war, its unquestioning defence of an allegedly rogue reporter and its editor's ability to assert his authority over his staff.

This weekend, the paper's readers' editor and a prominent columnist argued in print that Ms Miller's presence in the newsroom damaged the credibility of the paper. Their comments came after the paper's editor sent a memo to staff claiming that Ms Miller misled him about her involvement in a story over a CIA leak.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5316751-110878,00.html

October 24, 2005
Republicans Testing Ways to Blunt Leak Charges

By RICHARD W. STEVENSON
and DAVID JOHNSTON
WASHINGTON, Oct. 23 - With a decision expected this week on possible indictments in the C.I.A. leak case, allies of the White House suggested Sunday that they intended to pursue a strategy of attacking any criminal charges as a disagreement over legal technicalities or the product of an overzealous prosecutor.

Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the special counsel in the case, is expected to announce by the end of the week whether he will seek indictments against White House officials in a decision that is likely to be a defining moment of President Bush's second term. The case has put many in the White House on edge.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/24/politics/24leak.html?ei=5094&en=80f25e613f68ed83&hp=&ex=1130212800&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print

Jay Leno: “As you know, President Bush's approval rating now at its lowest level ever. In fact, it is so bad, even Harriet Miers is not taking his calls anymore.”

Jay Leno: “Yesterday, President Bush spent the day having lunch at the White House with Bono from U2. Did you see that in the news? As you know, Bono -- this is true. He's an economic expert. And he talks to the President about globalization and the need to alleviate growing third-world debt, and then President Bush showed him his Halloween costume.”

Jay Leno: “At the trial, Saddam Hussein insisted he is still president, he is still in charge despite the fact that his people disapprove of him, and his top assistants are all in jail, or going it jail. Oh, I'm sorry, that's President Bush.”

David Letterman: "Saddam Hussein's trial started yesterday, were you folks aware of that? In court he was stubborn and he was defiant. Stubborn and defiant in insisting that he's still the president. You know, sorta like Bush."

http://www.juancole.com/

Rupert Murdoch and Judith Miller

The extraordinary exchanges between New York Times editor Bill Keller and reporter Judith Miller over her role in the Plame scandal and reporting on non-existent weapons of mass destruction in Iraq have suggested to me a wider context of the entire matter.

The wider context is that Rupert Murdoch, and Richard Mellon Scaife, and other far rightwing billionaires have deeply corrupted our information environment. They are in part responsible for what happened at the NYT.

More...

Drudgy

FLASH: New Fed chairman will be announced at 1PM ET... Developing...

Bob Herbert: How Scary Is This?

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/102405Z.shtml

The White House is sweating out the possibility that one or more top officials will soon be indicted on criminal charges. But according to Bob Herbert, the Bush administration is immune to prosecution for its greatest offense - its colossal and profoundly tragic incompetence.

From the New Yorker magazine...

The Republican Rift
Issue of 2005-10-31
Posted 2005-10-24

This week in the magazine, Jeffrey Goldberg writes about Brent Scowcroft, the national-security adviser under President George H. W. Bush—and the former President’s best friend—who has been at odds with the current Administration. Here, with Amy Davidson, Goldberg discusses Scowcroft and the divide within the Republican party over Iraq.

AMY DAVIDSON: Why is Brent Scowcroft worth writing about now? He’s been out of government for some time.

JEFFREY GOLDBERG: For one thing, he’s a leading proponent of the “realist” school of foreign-policy thinking, which stands in opposition to the “transformationalist,” or neoconservative, or liberal interventionist—pick your preference—school. He also has a great deal of experience on the Iraqi question—he managed the first Gulf War for President George H. W. Bush, so it’s interesting to hear what he thinks of the current war. (Not much, as you can see from the article.) And he’s the best friend of the father of the current President, and the mentor of the current Secretary of State, so it’s worth exploring why the Administration of George W. Bush doesn’t listen to his advice on Iraq and other subjects.

Scowcroft is a consummate diplomat and a careful man. And yet, reading the quotes in your story, it seems that he almost had to force himself not to lash out at the current Administration—and he didn’t always succeed. Is Scowcroft an angry man these days?

http://www.newyorker.com/printables/online/051031on_onlineonly01

http://www.salon.com/wire/ap/archive.html?wire=D8DEG8FOI.html

Bush Picks Bernanke As New Fed Chairman

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By NEDRA PICKLER Associated Press Writer

October 24,2005 | WASHINGTON -- President Bush on Monday selected Ben Bernanke, chairman of the president's Council of Economic Advisers, to replace Alan Greenspan as Fed chairman, according to an administration official.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the nomination had not yet been announced. An announcement was expected at 1 p.m. EDT.

Here is an older article on him. He'll be announced at 1pm EDT, Washington DC

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech/articles/031229/29bernanke.htm

Pitching Curves
Outspoken Ben Bernanke is shaking up the Federal Reserve

Hurricane Anything - Mark Fiore

http://www.sfgate.com/comics/fiore/

October 24, 2005
Protecting the Presidential Seal. No Joke.

KATHARINE Q. SEELYE

You might have thought that the White House had enough on its plate late last month, what with its search for a new Supreme Court nominee, the continuing war in Iraq and the C.I.A. leak investigation. But it found time to add another item to its agenda - stopping The Onion, the satirical newspaper, from using the presidential seal.

The newspaper regularly produces a parody of President Bush's weekly radio address on its Web site (www.theonion.com/content/node/40121), where it has a picture of President Bush and the official insignia.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/24/business/24onion.html?pagewanted=print

from Poynter..

Sulzberger: "Some of Bill's 'culpas' were my 'culpas,' too"

Wall Street Journal

Times publisher Arthur Sulzberger Jr. says of the memo that executive editor Bill Keller sent to his staff on Friday: "Bill spoke for the newsroom but I concur with his position. In that regard, some of Bill's 'culpas' were my 'culpas' too. At The Times, we're a team." Joe Hagan asks if the comments by Keller presage Judith Miller's dismissal from the newspaper. His reply: "I've said what I'm going to say."
> "Unfortunately for Sulzberger, he can’t get at the root of this mess the way he did the previous one, by firing Howell Raines," writes Kurt Andersen. (New York)
> Warsh: Sulzberger should be replaced by his cousin (item #3) (EconPrin)
> Rieder: Keller's mea culpa was the right thing, smart thing to do (A

Dr. Bernanke was born on December 13, 1953, in Augusta, Georgia

http://today.reuters.com/investing/financeArticle.aspx?type=bondsNews&storyID=2005-10-24T161852Z_01_N24432475_RTRIDST_0_MARKETS-BONDS-BERNANKE.XML

Treasuries fall on talk Bernanke is next Fed chief

U.S. Treasury debt prices dipped on Monday on talk White House economic adviser Ben Bernanke would be named later Monday to head the U.S. Federal Reserve once Alan Greenspan retires early next year.

Some market sources dismissed the price movements, saying they reflected generalized jitters that would accompany any succession at the Fed.

But an undercurrent of anxiety surrounding Bernanke and his history as an inflation targeter was also cited in the bond market, and traders and strategists said downward movement in prices was consistent with such worries.

Inflation targeters tie decision-making on interest rates to specific inflation targets -- a practice that worries some in the market because it can be overdependent on past inflation data instead of anticipating economic developments.

"The bottom line is that he's been wrong about what's happening with inflation for two years," said Josh Stiles, senior bond strategist at IDEAglobal in NEW YORK. "He's more focused on structural disinflation forces than he is on the cyclical inflationary forces from excessive accommodation," Stiles said.

Traders said the movement was across the yield curve but was concentrated on longer-dated securities -- a reflection of market worries that an inflation targeter might not be able to keep inflation under control.

Benchmark 10-year notes , which reflect longer-term inflation worries more than shorter-dated notes, fell 11/32 to yield 4.43 percent, up from 4.39 percent on Friday.

Trade in two-year notes was much more subdued after the news of Bernanke's likely appointment. Prices were down 2/32 to yield 4.24 percent, from 4.21 percent on Friday.

"They're not embracing this guy right out of the chute," said a bond trader at one of Wall Street's primary Treasuries dealers. "He's going to have to prove his mettle."

Hurricane Anything....man that's depressing....and too true.

Too bad A Wer's aren't running the Govt.! You guys are fast!
And good!
Wondering what Krugman will write about Ben Bernanke????
PQ

Ben Bernanke (Dec. 13, 1953, Augusta, GA, N/T, noon chart)

T-square between Sun/Moon/Jupiter in Mutable signs. Sun (Sagittarius) Moon (Pisces) and Jupiter (Gemini) all at 21 degrees (Moon could be a bit off that point) Pluto just passed his Sun Conjunction and opposition to Jupiter, likely that Pluto Conjunction set off the Sextile and Trine aspect to his exact Mars/Neptune Conj. and that's what landed him this job. He has two very strong money aspects with Mars Conj. Neptune and both trine Jupiter. That's not just money, but big money which the Federal Reserve would bring.

His NN is 24 Capricorn, close to a Conjunction to the US Pluto in our money house (2nd house) and his Mars/Neptune squares the NN and the US Pluto, he has the potential of draining the Federal Reserve and completing the economic diaster for the US. If the article Pat C placed above about what "shaped" his views, one of them was the Great Depression, he just might be able to preside over another one.

Sally, it's like watching a train wreck from a distance, and knowing you are in the train at the same time.

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You know what Napoleon Bonaparte says about history:
“It is not necessary to bury the truth. It is sufficient merely to delay it until nobody cares.”

October 24, 2005
Ben Bernanke Is Former Fed Board Member

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 1:32 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Five years ago, Ben Bernanke posed the prescient question in an op-ed in The Wall Street Journal, ''What Happens When Greenspan is Gone?''

President Bush was poised to answer on Monday: Replace Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan with Bernanke, a straight-talking Ivy League economist with a reputation for eschewing political ideology.

In the world of economic theory and policy, Bernanke, 51, has espoused targeting inflation, stressed the importance of communication and transparency by the Fed and argued that the final say on debts and deficits lies with the president and Congress.

Born in Georgia and raised in Dillon, S.C., Bernanke was an academic star. In sixth grade, he won the state spelling bee but missed higher acclaim when he faltered on the word ''edelweiss,'' a flower. He got a score of 1,590 on his SAT out of a possible 1,600, and then focused on economic numbers at Harvard.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/business/AP-Bernanke-Profile.html?pagewanted=print

last post was mine...

The Bunker Mentality
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Monday 24 October 2005

I wrote to Ambassador Joseph Wilson last week to ask how he and his wife were bearing up, and to remind them that they had a lot of friends. "The outpouring of support has been of great comfort to us these past two years," he wrote back. "The stakes are enormous. This is all about whether our government can take us to war on lies without any fear of being held to account, and whether our democracy can survive the coalition of fascist forces that have seized control of the levers of power."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/102405I.shtml

I wish this was from The Comedy Hour. Do visit amercablog.org. Target stores has turned the Civil Rights law (and a few others) completely upside down. How Talinbanesque! How illegal! How suable! How unreal!

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10736.htm

"10/24/05 -- -- While President Bush and his War Cabinet bear full moral responsibility for Iraq, they could not have taken us to war without the complicity of the "adversary press" and "loyal opposition." .....

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Best saying I've heard so far...."Follow the yellowcake road.".

OMG! Here is what shy was speaking of!

http://americablog.blogspot.com/

Monday, October 24, 2005

Pharmacy turns away rape victim for "religious reasons"
by John in DC - 10/24/2005 03:15:00 PM

Welcome to Target's America.

The pharmacy in question was not a Target pharmacy, but it's the same radical right attitude they're defending.
Although it is safe, effective and legal, emergency contraception - the "morning after" pill - can be hard to find in Tucson.

After a sexual assault one recent weekend, a young Tucson woman spent three frantic days trying to obtain the drug to prevent a pregnancy, knowing that each passing day lowered the chance the drug would work.

While calling dozens of Tucson pharmacies trying to fill a prescription for emergency contraception, she found that most did not stock the drug.

When she finally did find a pharmacy with it, she said she was told the pharmacist on duty would not dispense it because of religious and moral objections....

To be taken within three to five days of unprotected intercourse, emergency contraception - also known as "Plan B" - prevents pregnancy by stopping ovulation, fertilization or implantation of a fertilized egg. The sooner the emergency contraception is taken after intercourse, the more effective it is.

Here's a little film worth watching: http://www.elchulo.net/files/pentagon.swf

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My favorite Condi photos:

http://members.cox.net/stymie/photoshops/tiger-condi-and-a-white-gir.jpg

http://www.foxnews.com/images/152142/0_21_450_rice.jpg

http://tinyurl.com/dytpt

Todays red meat

http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20051023-104217-9679r

Bush at Bay

The CIA leak inquiry that threatens senior White House aides has now widened to include the forgery of documents on African uranium that started the investigation, according to NAT0 intelligence sources. This suggests the inquiry by special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald into the leaking of the identity of undercover CIA officer Valerie Plame has now widened to embrace part of the broader question about the way the Iraq war was justified by the Bush administration.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/

Interesting news out of Italy.

I'm told Monday's edition of the Italian daily La Repubblica has an article on Niger forgeries. And this one says the culprits are Rocco Martino, the Italian woman who works in the Niger embassy in Rome and the SISMI operative Martino named as his ultimate source. The motive, says Repubblica, was money.

I've never named the SISMI colonel whom Martino said he (indirectly) got the documents from. But now Repubblica has. So I will too: his name is Antonio Nucera.

(You see I've linked the story above. I haven't read the Italian original. I've only had the contents related to me. So let me put that small caveat to the entire post.)

My experience with this case, going back almost two years now, is that whenever damaging new information was about to come out on the forgery mystery, the Italian government-cum-intelligence agencies put out substantial new information about what happened mixed with disinformation aimed at throwing people off their trail. And when I say 'their trail', I mean the complicity of Italian intelligence in the documents hoax itself.

This fits in very well with that pattern.

More....

Pat C, oh I hope that red meat is truly ready to be served. Better than popcorn!

Garry--your post about Rummy working for the company that produced the worthless Tamiflu vaccine--Gilead....do you know any more about that? Gilead is a Biblical name. If all I knew about a company was that name, I would think it was run by reconstructionists.

Also, by the by, if I remember correctly Gilead was the name of the American theocracy in The Handmaid's Tale.

Barbara, it's even better than buttered popcorn!

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Cheney_aide_passed_Plames_name_to_1024.html

Cheney aide passed Plame's name to Libby, Hadley, those close to leak investigation say

Hey wierd & scary.........
The Wayne Madsen Report keeps disappearing from my bookmarked list.
The first time I thought I was tired when I rearranged them, but last night I did it carefully & alphabetized! It's gone again! He did say, last week the FBI was monitoring his site. I'll try again & put with the A's in case my computer has a finite number of slots for bookmarking............
PQ

Barbara-
Not really, but check out these 159 Google hits:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gilead+tamiflu+rumsfeld&btnG=Google+Search

A State Of Inequality

By Chuck Collins and Felice Yeskel

The United States is now the third most unequal industrialized society after Russia and Mexico. This is not a club we want to be part of. Russia is a recovering kleptocracy, with a post-Soviet oligarchy enriched by looting. And Mexico, despite joining the rich-nations club of the Organization for Economic and Community Development, has some of the most glaring poverty in the hemisphere.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10733.htm

Come on Fitzmas, but meanwhile, read this:

http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/2005/10/gao-report-concludes-that-integrity-of.html

grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

It was my computer, sorry for premature supposition!
On the other hand, my supposition that SOMEONE was profiting from the media fear drive on the flue, was right on target!
Rumsfeld of course, he brought us aspertame!
PQ

Paul Hackett Formally Announces Candidacy for U.S. Senate in OhioCLICK HERE TO WATCH THE ANNOUNCEMENT

Citing a "call to service" and the need for drastic change in Washington, Paul Hackett, the United States Marine Corps Major and Iraq War Veteran, who stunned the political world with his near win in this summer's Special Congressional Election, formally announced his campaign for U.S. Senate at a press conference today at his Cincinnati home.

"I’m asking all the people of this great state...to consider joining me in the fight to take back our government from the career politicians and their special interest support groups that have hijacked our government and left us with a tangled mess of fiscal irresponsibility, corruption and mismanagement," said Hackett.

http://www.hackettforohio.com/

GO HACKETT!!!

...as Scooter said to Judy....where the roots are all connected.

ttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/23/AR2005102300948_pf.html

Bull's-Eyes on a Generic Nation

Prince Bandar Finds Work: Saudi NSC
Prince Bandar bin Sultan bin Abdulaziz Al-Saud of Washington and Aspen, Colo., was named last week secretary-general of a new Saudi National Security Council chaired by King Abdullah and with Bandar's dad, Prince Sultan , as deputy chairman. The Saudi NSC will be even more powerful than the U.S. version, after which it is patterned.

It has the power to declare war and emergencies, oversee and investigate, if necessary, other Saudi security agencies, withdraw ambassadors, sever diplomatic relations, approve military strategies and so on.

So while no longer the Dean of the Diplomatic Corps, our favorite Saudi prince has landed on his feet back home, returning to the center of Saudi intrigue.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2112015/

The CIA and Riggs Bank
A Wall Street Journal story that the press gang should chase.

The relationship with the CIA could prove problematic because it could cast a different light on the bank's dealings with two U.S. foreign-policy allies, former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet and Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Saudi ambassador to Washington.

Given the intelligence connections to Riggs, prosecutors could be faced with proving that the bank's failure to disclose financial activity by the foreign officials wasn't implicitly authorized by parts of the U.S. government.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/24/politics/24cnd-leak.html?ei=5094&en=db7d02c93e5913ef&hp=&ex=1130212800&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print

Cheney Told Aide of C.I.A. Officer, Notes Show

The big event of the Bushco self destruction is soon at hand. Cheney just had Prog Neptune 135 Sun yesterday and Saturn will 180 his Sun this weekend. It's karma time! Shades of Spiro Agnew, one down one to go. I said that back in 1973 and as you know, history repeats itself.
Starman

Hi everyone,

My desktop went to computer heaven last month, the library email trips were limited to reading and sending correspondance w/in 30 min increments. Have no idea what's REALLY happening in the world, let alone Astroworld. Missed the internet news and astrology.
Glad to be on board and just saying howdy from Brooklyn.

I tried to post that Rosa Parks has just died, but somehow it didn't post. What greatness! What dignity! And, as Cap'n Sally said, Rosa Parks just "sat down"--and started a revolution. What a beautiful woman.

Starman, you are my hero! I'm right there with you in all my hopes.

bhakti, you've been missed. Do you have your own computer again?

Civil rights pioneer Rosa Parks has died, Local 4 has learned.

Parks, 92, reportedly died around 7 p.m. Monday, a city source said.

Parks' refusal to give up her bus seat to a white man in Montgomery, Ala., in 1955 landed her in jail and sparked a bus boycott that is considered the start of the modern civil rights movement.

Parks, was born on Feb. 4, 1913. She llived in Detroit.

Yay, Starman! Yay, Bhatki! Last we heard, JoannaO had found her bliss in Scotland--though we'd still like to hear more. We're awaiting another snapshot from Sharon. So: Where's Timothy? Where's Dommael?
Night all. I'm going to dream of Miss Rosa Parks and let her beauty and courage inspire me onward!

http://villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat/archive/001985.php

Dick Cheney likes to portray himself as Mr. Rugged Westerner, unafraid to sacrifice others in the pursuit of mineral wealth. I know the Bush regime has been to Mount Rushmore (see photo), but has Cheney himself ever been to the site of the Frank Slide in western Alberta?

Thoughts of that incredible disaster — a chunk of mountain 1,400 feet high, 3,280 feet wide, and 500 feet deep fell in 100 seconds on a mining town, almost exactly 100 years before Plamegate started rumbling — come to mind now that the New York Times reports tonight that Scooter Libby learned about Valerie Plame not from a reporter but from the Bush regime's CEO.

More...

Rosa Parks...A true Aquarian..was the epitome of the "liberator" and " revolutionary" aspects of her sign. May she rest in peace among the Great Ones.

And where's Mike? and Guido............. Jo is missed..............
Welcome back Bhakti.
Do you still have the same e-mail address? My daughter had an extra ticket to the Ayngar event, and I tried to contact you.
Let me know.
PQ

http://slate.msn.com/id/2128633/

How Do You Fire a New York Times reporter?
Could Judy Miller get the ax?

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http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/10/24/174045/35

Mr. Leaker and Mrs. Wilson. A picture story.

Well, here's some ammo for Dems, the GOP and the KKK share their "family values"--can we get this to Dean?

http://www.kxan.com/Global/story.asp?S=4020533&nav=0s3d

DELICIOUS NEW MUST READ INFO ABOUT THOSE PLAME INDICTMENTS FROM TOM FLOCCO!!!!!

http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/CourtthrowsOutBushSuit.htm

for all of you who enjoy art, check out this: http://fcmx.net/vec/get.swf?i=003702

Dear Astroworld Friends:

It is with GREAT saddness that I am reporting to you that the official U.S. military casualty toll in Iraq has reached the 2,000 mark.This death toll is a grim reminder that the price of war is always heavy, on the soilder, his or her colleuages, and most importantly his or her family and friends.

Let us mourn the deaths of 2,000 good American citizens, who have died for a lie, and for a war that never needed to be fought, and pray for the family and friends of those who died for this unnoble cause.

- Neerav B. Trivedi

Speaking of loving art....wow, I love THIS:
According to intelligence field reports, the appellate court judges reportedly laughed at Bush’s White House counsel and former personal attorney Harriet Miers and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, saying “you can’t do this.”

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=10506

La Repubblica's Scoop, Confirmed
Italy's intelligence chief met with Deputy National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley just a month before the Niger forgeries first surfaced.

In an explosive series of articles appearing this week in the Italian newspaper La Repubblica, investigative reporters Carlo Bonini and Giuseppe d'Avanzo report that Nicolo Pollari, chief of Italy's military intelligence service, known as Sismi, brought the Niger yellowcake story directly to the White House after his insistent overtures had been rejected by the Central Intelligence Agency in 2001 and 2002. Sismi had reported to the CIA on October 15, 2001, that Iraq had sought yellowcake in Niger, a report it also plied on British intelligence, creating an echo that the Niger forgeries themselves purported to amplify before they were exposed as a hoax.

Italian Faces Pre-War Intelligence Probe

Italian Secret Service Chief to Be Questioned on Disputed Claim of Iraq Uranium Deal

ROME Oct 25, 2005 — The head of Italy's military secret services will be questioned by a parliamentary commission next week over allegations that his organization gave the United States and Britain disputed documents suggesting that Saddam Hussein had been seeking uranium in Africa, officials said Tuesday.

Nicolo Pollari, director of the SISMI intelligence agency, will be questioned on Nov. 3 by members of the commission overseeing secret services, said Micaela Panella, a commission spokeswoman.

She said Pollari asked to be questioned after reports Monday and Tuesday in the Rome daily La Repubblica claiming SISMI passed on to the CIA, U.S. government officials and Britain's MI6 intelligence services a dossier it knew was forged. .... ...

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http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1249484

anyone heard anything more on this from 9/22/05?
http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/OlsenArrested.htm

Flocco saying Barbara Olson was arrested in Germany...she supposedly died in the DC 9/11 crash.

I havn't Judi. I have never thought she was dead though. I don't say that often, because it sounds so tin foil. I don't know why faking her death would have been done, so I just don't mention it. It's worth digging into it though.

PatC & Judi - the thought that THE Barbara Olson, who loved being in front of a TV camera so much, would willingly disappear seems to me to be a highly unlikely scenario.
Now, if someone else were to pick up her identity info and use it ... well that's another issue entirely, and a much more plausible explanation imo.

It's just a feeling I'v had kiwijeanie.

Poll: Do you support investigating the CIA leak?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080261/#survey

Pat C.....knowing who she was and what she had to do with the Clinton impeachment, I thought after 9/11...chickens come home to roost. But that entire scenario of 9/11 was always so fishy to me....and faking deaths is a spook specialty....sort of a spook version of new identity for mafia guys who rat out.

IDIOT AMERICA....CON'T:
Majority of Americans Reject Theory of Evolutionhttp://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20051024100409990019

See what happens to a great country when its citizens are ill-educated? they vote for other idiots. Welcome to the 21st century....or as The Who song said....Meet the new boss, he's just like the old boss....won't get fooled again!

ha....fooled again. what's the easiest way to take over a country?
keep citizens stoopid. and or, replace science with religion. That works too.

Interesting Newscope this week from Wolfstar at

http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0006663.HTM

Yeah judi, but it's religion, not science. I feel like I'm watching the great conditioning. I do not belileve it will work....no matter how hard they try.

judi, yes, very fishy. Very.

Shade, the GOP piece is interesting.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-102505leak_lat,0,7947383.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Fitzgerald Focuses Again on Rove

As his investigation nears a conclusion, special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald has returned his attention to White House adviser Karl Rove, interviewing a Rove colleague with detailed questions about contacts that President Bush's close aide had with reporters in the days leading up to the outing of a covert CIA officer.

Fitzgerald has also dispatched FBI agents to comb the CIA agent's residential neighborhood in Washington, asking neighbors again whether they were aware — before her name appeared in a syndicated column — that the agent, Valerie Plame, worked for the CIA.

The questioning, described by lawyers familiar with the case and by the neighbors, occurred as Fitzgerald was thought to be readying indictments in the long-running inquiry into the leak of Plame's identity. It is a felony to knowingly identify an undercover agent, and the renewed questions this week suggested that the prosecutor remained focused on the breach of that secrecy.

The inquiry has reached deep into the White House and focuses on Rove and Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby.

A deputy prosecutor called Rove's colleague this afternoon and interviewed him in depth about statements Rove may have made to reporters about the case, a lawyer familiar with the case said.

"It appeared to me the prosecutor was trying to button up any holes that were remaining," the lawyer said.

More...

On another front.........watching ( on CNN) all those indignant disgruntled Murikans, 10,000 in Cancun, who aren't being rescued soon enough by their Govt. God forbid they have to sleep en-mass in their dirty clothes, in shelters, another night.
Also the angry Floridians, who are hungry, thirsty and without power......after 24 / media coverage, and assurances by Gov Bush of how prepared Fema was for this one. They are hardly your poor/ dispossesed! Gonna be hell to pay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pass the popcorn!
Lou Dobbs showed some poll results, & in every catagory, except protecting us from terrasts, the majority would chose a Dem over a Repug! 9% still felt more protected by Repugs....we're getting there finally!
PQ

It's so about time Pat QOP!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051024/sc_afp/spaceastronomymars&printer=1

Eyes to the sky for the Mars spectacular

The last time Mars swung so close to Earth, Hindu seers foretold of war, European astrologers predicted love and Germany reported a rash in UFO sightings.

Thus is the spell cast by planetary alignment, so extreme predictions and odd events seem entirely possible this week as Mars and Earth edge together once more.

On Sunday, October 30, the Red Planet will be 69.4 million kilometers (43.1 million miles) from Earth -- a distance that in galactic terms is less than wafer-thin and will not be equalled until 2018.

More...

http://www.newyorker.com/online/content/articles/051031on_onlineonly01

The Republican Rift

Judi G and all--know I should be appalled rather than laughing but I'm still rolling on the floor on this one--can't remember who did the poll but the outcome was that 12% of American's surveyed believed that Joan of Arc was Noah's wife.

Sorry, making fun of ignorance and then I ignorantly/negligently put in an apostrophe in the wrong place.

That should be 12% of Americans

Barbara, I like your reaction better! And wasn't it Joan of Arcadia who was Noah's girlfirend? oh, slap me silly...

So, the word from Keith Oberman on MSNBC tonight is that 1 to 5 sealed indictments will come down tomorrow with a press conference at noon on Thursday. This from an "uber insider" in the investigation.

Let's hope they don't manage to "eliminate" Fitzgerald. Anything in his chart suggest danger to his person? And, if he does live through all of this, presidential candidate in the future maybe?

It seems that Dubya likes baldies....hmmmmmm...

http://www.satirium.com/pages/vol6/bushphotos.html

kristl,

I wouldn't be too worried about Fitzgerald. I don't have any sources, but considering Cheney's arrogance towards them, the CIA and FBI very likely have Fitz's back covered. This is in part the Intels' revenge for Valerie Plame's outing, and Cheney's foolish bullying/meddling. He's toast, and the Bush Admin is about to be greviously crippled.

Once again I am astounded by the magic of astrology.

The moment Jupiter is entering Scorpio the sealed indictments are finally ready to be delivered. How beautifully exact. It gives me a feeling of contentment that there is a grand orchestration and everything is all right. I am always torn between looking at the petty details, the daily tragedies and disappointments, or focusing on the magnificence of life. I lean towards the latter with my Moon/Jupiter conjuction in Sagittarius in the 9th. So to me, who and what, and what exactly transpires from here on out is OK with me. I trust it. All human beings are minor participants. We're part of such a big thing that no one knows.

Jupiter will be conspiring with Pluto for the next year, dancing in mutual reception and digging deep, till he joins up and eventually embraces Pluto in Sagittarius next year, immediately after the elections in November. I think we are headed into a period of revelation, and some truth will be faced. I think this country is ready now.

When Pluto transited Scorpio, sex equaled death and behavior changed somewhat as a result. Now, through Sagittarius, lies equal death, and I think this will be clear.
When the people of this country look into the faces of those human creatures who are asking to be elevated into public office next year, they might be searching for a flicker of honesty. Survival might depend on it.

The height of schadenfreude....hurry up Fitzmas!
From Skolnick vian Szymanski:
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/36083.htm

note this phrase: "the ninth man down".....

Exile....hmmmm. That would work.

I know Rummy hasn't seen the light, since he's incapable of that type of perception. So, what does it mean that--while he still wants his big bunker buster toy--he's no longer insisting it be nuclear?
Curious.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9820682/

Poll: Do you agree with Smirky that the best way to honor the troops killed in the Iraq War is to keep sending troops over there?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080261/#survey

CHENEY INDICTED IN FRANCE? Monday, October 24, 2005 - FreeMarketNews.com

by staff reports In the context of all the indictments, both impending and already served, concerning PlameGate, it may seem overkill to consider what other countries are up to. However, according to a report on Uruknet.org, there is a distinct possibility that a French court might indict U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney, on charges of bribery, money laundering and misuse of corporate assets.

The issue involves a $6 billion gas liquification factory, built in Nigeria on behalf of oil mammoth Shell by Halliburton - the company Cheney headed before becoming Vice President - and in partnership with Technip, a large French petroengineering company. The story says Judge Renaud van Ruymbeke, a renowned French jurist, has been probing the Nigeria deal since last October.

According to accounts in the French press, it says, Judge van Ruymbeke believes that some or all of $180 million in so-called secret "retrocommissions" paid by Halliburton and Technip were, in fact, bribes given to Nigerian officials and others to grease the wheels for the refinery's construction. - ST

from: http://www.freemarketnews.com/Feedback.asp?nid=644

G GORDEN LIDDY said W should be put in a monkey cage? On the Sean Hannity show?
DOD drops the request to Congress, for funding research on a nuclear bunker buster?
A. FIRST & FORMOST the Democrats are not doing nothing!
They are just keeping quiet about what they are doing!
D Feinstein led the fight against the nuke B Busters.
Looks to me as if the Repugs are fracturing into several groups ( who is Liddy speaking for?? )& the Dems are becoming more united!
No indicment announcement on MSM today! Heard on CNN that Fitz requested a 6 mo extension!
PQ

In 2003 Mars was the closest to earth that it's been in nearly 70,000 years, while it's still in that 70,000 year cycle it isn't as close as 2003, but it's close enough. It will soon spiral back to it's normal distance from earth.

Patrick Fitzgerald has Uranus at 25 degrees Leo, conjunct his 21 degree Leo Ascendant, he has at least a little love of the dramatic. Mercury is squaring his Uranus today and the Moon will move into the conjunction late afternoon and lasting into early evening. What all that means is that Mr. Fitzgerald is having problems keeping quiet (the Mercury square Uranus) he wants to blut it all out, it also means there could be a surprise today, but for sure he will be in the spotlight.

The surprise could be indictments for people not yet mentioned, sealed indictments (and the public wouldn't know who or what) It could be that the grand jury is given an extension and the investigation widens and goes on.

I find I've lost interest in the indictments when and where because the story is really out there and coupled with the other messes with this group, including Delay and Frist and the other investigations on the table, this WH has been dealt a staggering blow. There is gossip around that Poppa is taking over for Jr. and if Cheney goes, James Baker might be the VP. One story I heard on NPR was FEMA wasn't doing so well in Florida (Just a side note) Pluto is rounding up for his last hit to the US Mars/Neptune square, and messy Uranus will be turning direct again toward the US Uranus square and GWB Mars opposition. They are looking for more war in Syria and later Iran we'll see if they get it.

It's Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney, the neo-cons and maybe Alan Greenspan who need to be held accountable for what they have done these last 5 years, and it just may happen with Saturn transversing GWB's 1st house. All of this is like untangling Christmas lights. We will still have a price to pay for this group of thugs and it will take a long time to work our way out, but they for sure have to go just so we can begin the process.

Pat QOP are you serious? G. Gordon Liddy said "Bush should be put in a monkey cage?" You mean after ALLLLLL the Bush Family has done for him? Things must be bad really bad. That is just too funny and on Hannity, how great is that.

Sally....isn't there a 'succession' written into the process? They just can't appoint anyone, can they? I thought it was a legal precedent thing....it goes down from Prez to VP to Speaker of the House and then thru the Cabinent...as Sherman Skolnick wrote, it could be some 9th level Agriculture sec't who gets the nod. http://www.lileks.com/institute/gallery/bbtrix/4.html

Sally....interesting, I, too, have lost interest in the indictments....looking for the next mystery to solve now! I've said to people I know all along that my interest was in keeping the focus on the stuff that needed to be revealed...the minute it gets into the mainstream, I'm off to something else.

Judi G., there is a legal succession, yes, but I believe what was intended was that Smirky may (have to--i.e., there is rumor he's being coerced to) appoint Oil Slick Jim as his Veep, if Cheney (prolly indeed will have to) resign.

Shy, ah yes, if the VP is outed, yes....but what if G is led away in a straight jacket? Who wants to inherit the mess? For sure, they will need a 'strong man' in the best Latin dictator sense to prop up the main figure here....but just replacing a VP is different.

There is a succession but if the VP is gone, the President can appoint his replacement and it doesn't go to the speaker of the house. Nixon as an example put in Rockefeller when Agnew when to prison, and when Rockefeller resigned he replaced him with Ford.

Now, Judi G., don't you think Denny is just an ol' huggy bear and would make a wunnerful preznit?

BREAKING on Kos, Libby and Rove will be indicted and Grand Jury extended.

http://dailykos.com/story/2005/10/26/12518/309

Also from Booman

http://www2.boomantribune.com/story/2005/10/26/105036/84

Steve Bell cartoon...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/stevebell/archive/0,14955,1284265,00.html

Comment
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Plamegate may seem arcane, but we all have a stake in the outcome
This scandal offers an opportunity not only to discredit Bush, but the entire ideology used to justify the war in Iraq

Jonathan Freedland
Wednesday October 26, 2005

Guardian

Now America has its own David Kelly affair. There is no corpse - unless you count the US troops killed in Iraq, whose number is now 2,000 - but all the other elements are in place. A complex saga, turning on the unwanted outing of a government servant; a media organisation rocked by accusations of sloppy editorial processes; and a judicial investigation zeroing in on the charge that the government cooked up the case on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. It will reach its climax any moment now.
It has become known, inevitably, as Plamegate - with CIA agent Valerie Plame the nominally central player. Nominal because, though she is very much alive, she, like Kelly, is a silent star. The details are just as arcane as they were in the British version, but a summary is possible.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5318312-103390,00.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5318312-103390,00.html

Guardian blog....

We won one! According to Joshua Micah Marshall over at talkingpointsmemo.com, Smirky "has caved" on that
hateful wage cut he ordered for post-Katrina Gulf Coast clean-up workers.

Here's something to brighten everyone's day. Some very clever art. . .http://www.yeeguy.com/freefall/

karen

http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/27281/

The Top Nine Plamegate Lies

How great Shylurker. The Davis/Bacon act was in place for a reason. Hope that gets tons of play on MSM, it would indicate a certain amount of confusion for Bush with Neptune practically stationary and inconj. his Sun. I received a link that said the ground war with Syria has begun. Condi basically said the other day that they could start a war anywhere without congressional approval. Letterman's Top Ten last night "What to do to make George Bush feel better" number 2 was to give him war plans to every country in the world.

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Syria in the Imperialist Crosshairs
by Kim Petersen
www.dissidentvoice.org
October 26, 2005

The New York Times is having a heck of a time dodging scorn and maintaining any semblance of authenticity these days, apologizing for its Jayson Blairs, bogus WMD reporting, and Judith Millers. Even owner Arthur Sulzberger’s feet are being held to the fire now. Yet, the paper persists in its role as a stenographer for the US government. The Times’ coverage of the UN report by German prosecutor Detlev Mehlis on the slaying of Rafik Hariri, a former Lebanese prime minister, and 20 others, is a further example. [1]

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Oct05/Petersen1026.htm

In Ottawa, Rice Seeks to Temper Bitterness About Bush Policies
Many in Poll See Americans As 'Rude, Greedy and Violent'

By Doug Struck
Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, October 26, 2005; A10

TORONTO, Oct. 25 -- As relations between the U.S. and Canadian governments have increasingly soured, Americans here are being viewed with suspicion, derided in jokes and shunned as representatives of a sinister force.

One quick way for dinner speakers in Canada to win applause is to take verbal shots at the United States. President Bush is a frequent target of newspaper columnists. Pollster Michael Adams said Canadian views of the United States this month are the most unfavorable he has seen in 25 years. His findings coincide with the results of a survey of 17,000 Canadians in June by the Pew Research Center in which 53 percent viewed Americans as "rude, greedy and violent."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/25/AR2005102501630_pf.html

Washington Post Editorial...

Vice President for Torture

Wednesday, October 26, 2005; A18

VICE PRESIDENT Cheney is aggressively pursuing an initiative that may be unprecedented for an elected official of the executive branch: He is proposing that Congress legally authorize human rights abuses by Americans. "Cruel, inhuman and degrading" treatment of prisoners is banned by an international treaty negotiated by the Reagan administration and ratified by the United States. The State Department annually issues a report criticizing other governments for violating it. Now Mr. Cheney is asking Congress to approve legal language that would allow the CIA to commit such abuses against foreign prisoners it is holding abroad. In other words, this vice president has become an open advocate of torture.

His position is not just some abstract defense of presidential power. The CIA is holding an unknown number of prisoners in secret detention centers abroad. In violation of the Geneva Conventions, it has refused to register those detainees with the International Red Cross or to allow visits by its inspectors. Its prisoners have "disappeared," like the victims of some dictatorships. The Justice Department and the White House are known to have approved harsh interrogation techniques for some of these people, including "waterboarding," or simulated drowning; mock execution; and the deliberate withholding of pain medication. CIA personnel have been implicated in the deaths during interrogation of at least four Afghan and Iraqi detainees. Official investigations have indicated that some aberrant practices by Army personnel in Iraq originated with the CIA. Yet no CIA personnel have been held accountable for this record, and there has never been a public report on the agency's performance.

It's not surprising that Mr. Cheney would be at the forefront of an attempt to ratify and legalize this shameful record. The vice president has been a prime mover behind the Bush administration's decision to violate the Geneva Conventions and the U.N. Convention Against Torture and to break with decades of past practice by the U.S. military. These decisions at the top have led to hundreds of documented cases of abuse, torture and homicide in Iraq and Afghanistan. Mr. Cheney's counsel, David S. Addington, was reportedly one of the principal authors of a legal memo justifying the torture of suspects. This summer Mr. Cheney told several Republican senators that President Bush would veto the annual defense spending bill if it contained language prohibiting the use of cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment by any U.S. personnel.

The senators ignored Mr. Cheney's threats, and the amendment, sponsored by Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), passed this month by a vote of 90 to 9. So now Mr. Cheney is trying to persuade members of a House-Senate conference committee to adopt language that would not just nullify the McCain amendment but would formally adopt cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment as a legal instrument of U.S. policy. The Senate's earlier vote suggests that it will not allow such a betrayal of American values. As for Mr. Cheney: He will be remembered as the vice president who campaigned for torture.

© 2005 The Washington Post Company

Hey WV, did you see this on cloakanddagger.de?
If true it might explain a few things.....

CLOAK EXCLUSIVE!
posted 10/26/5 11am central

CONDOLEEZA RICE THUG FOR PIMP DUBYA

RICE IS NOW UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR THREATENING THE LIFE OF CANADIAN GOVERNMENT MINISTER PETTIGREW.

Cloak Newswire Toronto - Canadian officials are left wondering why Condoleeza Rice wants Canada's 9-11 PROMIS SOFTWARE FLIGHT RECORDS so desperately that RICE has resorted to ASSASSINATION threats against a Canadian Government official no less?

Of course, Royal Canadian Mounted Police would make NO comment!

U.S. Secretary of State, already indicted in the United States CIA LEAK CASE is now being investigated for threatening the life of Canadian Government Minister Pettigrew. She threatened Pettigrew yesterday at their meeting with ASSASSINATION UNLESS Canada hands over the original incriminating FLIGHT RECORDS, concerning 9-11, linked to smoking gun evidence gathered by Canada using PROMIS Software that shows alleged 9-11 aircraft well into Candian airspace at SAME TIME as the the attack on WTC occurred.

interesting, no?

October 26, 2005
Background to Betrayal
Behind the CIA leak investigation
by Justin Raimondo
Has I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the vice president's chief of staff, made a deal with CIA leak investigator Patrick J. Fitzgerald – and turned on his boss in return for leniency?

It sure looks like it. Or else how is it that Scooter suddenly discovered his notes of a "previously undisclosed" conversation held with Cheney on June 12, 2003, in which the vice president was the first to tell him that Joe Wilson's wife, Valerie, worked for the CIA? Prior to Scooter's eleventh-hour revelation, he had been telling the grand jury that he got the information from journalists.

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=7776

Lying President...

http://www.peacecandy.com/gwbush/dishonestdubya/

Patrick Fitzgerald's Diary:
Watching Them Flop, Squirm, Flip

By Bernard Weiner
Co-Editor, The Crisis Papers

October 26, 2005

Dear Diary:

This is like shooting fish in a barrel. Of course, I'd heard about the incompetence of this White House crew -- and the arrogance that makes them so sloppy in covering their tracks -- but despite their lies and amateurish attempts to conceal their involvement, their fingerprints are all over the place.

Rove as the Genius, the Architect, the Ringmaster, running a tight ship with no leaks? These dangerous clowns are total screw-ups. And wimps. Many are willing to finger each other big time to escape the felony counts, or at least lessen their criminal liability. It's embarrassing to watch them flopping around, sending out their lawyers to drop a dime on a fellow conspirator.

http://www.crisispapers.org/essays-w/fitzgerald.htm

Lebanese encircle Palestinian bases

Wednesday 26 October 2005, 16:10 Makka Time, 13:10 GMT

The army set up checkpoints at Sultan Yacub in Bekaa Valley




Lebanese troops and tanks have encircled military bases run by pro-Syrian Palestinian fighters near the border with Syria.

The action on Wednesday came hours ahead of a UN report set to accuse Damascus of arming fighters in Lebanon.

The army set up checkpoints at Sultan Yacub in the eastern Bekaa Valley, where the Syrian-backed Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC) runs a tunnel network dug into the hills, witnesses and security sources said.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/47B145FB-9C26-438D-9647-E6C3095897A1.htm

From the Globe and Mail...Canada's National Paper

Do you agree with Condoleezza Rice's assertion that the word of the United States is 'as good as gold'?


Yes
1668 votes (8 %)

No
19292 votes (92 %)


Total Votes: 20960

Are we all ready to RUMBLE morrow with INDICTMENTS
all set to be announced?

Yes, Raj I have been ready and hope that it is just the beginning!

Everybody: when viewing the Republican chart posted here yesterday from Star IQ, can anyone please tell me where one would be able to discern the vindictiveness, vileness, open hostility that permeated the personality/consciousness of the conservative collective? There has to be many indications in the chart for them to be so overbearing. I do not mean to come across as slandering,insulting, or smug but have harbored this question for a number of year and am sincere about wanting to know where these character flaws lie. Can any astrologers help?

Excellent question, Beverly. Thnx!

Your welcome shylurker. It seems to me as the conservatives are loosing ground, they become even more vile. But it is confusing to me also, because I have heard a number of conservatives say " I voted for Bush in 2000, and 2004, but I would vote to impeach him right now. But conservative politicians are rabid right now.

Beverly, it is part of the same question that the conservatives ask about the looney left, as they call it (thank you, rightwing nuts). I have been collecting little mental 'snippets' from several people I know or know of recently, sort of looking at the same question. They stood out because of the bias exhibited in the comments...one came from a friend, a Repub real estate woman who said that her youngest brother didn't deserve to be taken care of (by fafmily, by society) because he had never married (forgetting, of course, that neither have I) and indulged in whores and drink and getting in trouble (he wasn't born with the best set of smarts...) BUT, I say, didn't he pay taxes all these years? Does his money say 'morally objectional' while your money says 'saint'? So I believe they, the conservatives, have strong judgemental psyches. They play judge and jury and are uninterested in most things which are not controlable. There is a need for control and for power and in some ways, I think, to negate really powerful emotions by suppression rather than working thru them. I got an email from a Yale educated conservative Vietnam vet Lawyer in response to the MoveOn.org vigil for tonight....even tho he was a vet, he wrote:

It is ironic how these sorts of people did not give a rip about me when I wore the uniform, spit on us when we returned from RVN, did what they could to undermine anything the Army did, didn’t want us to have training time and dollars so we would be ready for whatever. You know what else? They still don’t give a rip except for the political value of these little shows. Sorry people. The men and women doing the hard work know better.

Funny, even though he was talking about us protestors in the 1960's, he could be describing this man's army today.....and Rummy's intentions.

The emotions just reek of hurt .

Beverly the Republican chart I use is the one they themselves say is the date of their "new" inception, although there are a couple of charts out there as both parties went through shifts and changes in the late 1700's and 1800's, I use the July 6, 1864 in Jackson Michigan. They have a tight Venus/Saturn square and another little more loosely square between Sun/Saturn. Both the Sun and Venus conjunct the US Sun giving them a sense of ownership of the US and with the Saturn square, they would operate at "the parent" do as I say, not as I do. Any square from Saturn introduces an element of fear of one's environment. The US itself has a Sun/Saturn square, so we relate well to the "daddy" figure, someone to take care of us, and the Republicans as a group would be involved with "we decide what's good for you." There is also a sense of detachment and coldness toward America itself, also a Puritan fear of sex, something Americans as a whole share with them. That's why the Clinton thing seemed so terrible to them. For them, the thought of someone sexually cavorting in the Oval Office was just too shocking.

The only aspect the Democrats have in common with the US is their Moon conjunction to the US Moon, plus the Dem chart is all over the board, hard for them to come to a focus. The Dem Moon is conjunct by Pluto, the American Elite (those who really elect Presidents) just don't understand all that emotion, it frightens them and makes them feel as if they are "missing" something and that makes them angry. There is a lot more joy and spontaneous energy in the Dem Party, that makes them real nervous and they think the Dems are irresponsible and unreliable and would just give the country away. The "status quo" which would be the white men in the county, particularly the upwardlymobile white man, would lean more toward the Republicans, and voting patterns certainly indicate that to be true.

Sally, when the Social Security issue was really hot, my boss, the upwardly mobile white corporate attorney with the one child in private school, whose idea of charity is giving money to his son's scout troop and his own church, looked at me and said "I believe in capitalism." Well, so do I, I told him. I also believe in having a sense of social responsibility, of heping others get on that upwardly mobile path. We can't all be millionaires but we can all achieve a better life if the odds aren't completely stacked against us. Sally, after thinking about it, I honestly think he and his "class" are afraid that we would take everything they have away from him. The so-called elite are afraid of we commoners. Just think of the power that implies.

http://www.fourthturning.com/html/the_authors.html
Dear Reader,

  This is a book that turns history into prophecy.  After years of examining the cycles of American history, we have reached this startling conclusion: Starting about ten years from now, America will enter an era of crisis - an era of political and social upheaval - that will extend until the late 2020s.  We call this era a Fourth Turning.  And we believe it will be a major threshold in the nation's history, climaxing with events on par with the Revolution, the Civil War, or World War II........more
We predicted in 1990, for example, that America would split into competing culture wars camps; that politics would become moralistic and mean; that “family values” would become a new vogue; and that the emergence of a hardened and alienated youth generation would provoke caustic media reaction.  When the 1990s did in fact unfold as the cycles would suggest, we felt a pressing need to alert people about where the nation appears to be headed.
more.....
by Neil Howe and William Strauss, based on The Fourth Turning....this was written 1996.
I went to high school with Bill Strauss....his brother Steve was a classmate of mine, bill his younger brother....he became an international banker, and was in Bosnia establishing banking system after the war there .

Why, thank you, Cap'n Sally! That was one more of your concise gems. Very nice!

And, of course, there are the transits that will mark this dramatic and revolutionary period of time; The Cardinal Grand Cross of 2010, the Uranus-Pluto Square of 2012-15, Pluto's opposition of the US Sun in 2014-15, The US' Pluto Return in 2022, among others.

Whatever becomes of the US government during this period of time, the American nation itself, in the wake of this period, will have had to endure a transformation that will result in a people very much changed, and perhaps, quite a bit wiser. We will have to be, in order to survive.

A very radical Fourth Turning, indeed.

Shipwrecked
Bush has so thoroughly destroyed the Republican establishment that no one, not even his dad, can rescue him now.
By Sidney Blumenthal

Oct. 27, 2005 | There is no one left to rescue the Republican Party from George W. Bush. He is home alone. The Republican-establishment wise men whose words were once quiet commands are shouting unheeded warnings. The Republican leaders of Congress are distracted and obsessed with their own crises of corruption.

Suspended House Majority Leader Tom DeLay is under indictment for criminal campaign practices while Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is under investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission for insider stock trading in his family-owned Hospital Corporation of America. The only revolt brewing in the Senate is on the right against President Bush's nomination of his White House legal counsel, Harriet Miers, to the Supreme Court; some Republican senators fear her potential for secret liberal heresy despite the president's protestations of her conservative purity.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2005/10/27/bush_fall/print.html

According to this, Fitz is leasing more office space in DC:

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/001033.html

We can only hope, dear hearts!

Sally, wonderful analysis of the two major parties. Wonder if AW astrologers could fix an ideal time for a new party to be born, and we could all get the word out to do it. The Progressive Party, maybe. Or maybe, somehow the Democrats could be reborn.

BTW, somebody lead me by the hand here--transiting Neptune is conj my natal Mercury at the top of my chart and am I confused! Is that Mars in the East late in the evening? I'm thinking it must be because it is reddish. But even when mars was closer a few years ago I never saw it like this. It looks like a starburst.

BREAKING

Harriet Miers has withdrawn.

WOW Pat C!!!

Meanwhile, I'm going to keep beating this story until it gets mainstreamed:

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1529

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051027/ap_on_go_su_co/miers_withdraws;_ylt=AkLO1JJ60lI0yQe53g_SVwKs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

Miers' surprise withdrawal stunned Washington on a day when the capital was awaiting news on another front — the possible indictment of senior White House aides in the CIA leak case.

Miers told the president she was withdrawing at 8:30 p.m. Wednesday. In her letter dated Thursday, Miers said she was concerned that the confirmation process "would create a burden for the White House and our staff that is not in the best interest of the country."

She noted that members of the Senate had indicated their intention to seek documents about her service in the White House in order to judge whether to support her nomination to the Supreme Court. "I have been informed repeatedly that in lieu of records, I would be expected to testify about my service in the White House to demonstrate my experience and judicial philosophy," she wrote.

"While I believe that my lengthy career provides sufficient evidence for consideration of my nomination, I am convinced the efforts to obtain Executive Branch materials and information will continue."

Garry, great article on the election!

Thanks Pat C--

now get this--a good friend of mine told me Ann Coulter was on Today w/Matt Lauer earlier and she actually said that the Miers withdrawal would divert attention away from the Plame indictments(paraphrasing). A rare moment of truth from AC!!!

wow! I returned when the movie is getting really great.

Wonder if the Meir's nomination was for distraction to begin with. If it further embarrassed the Chimperor much the better. What goes round comes round, no surprises here for me just about time Cosmic Justice stepped into the script.

My inner eye photo has the reThug crew in a chain gang line with orange suits and shackles.

Oh bhakti, welcome back!!!

If only that would happen, I think we'd all be doing the HAPPY DANCE!!!

...last quarter they made $7.85 billion profit...

October 27, 2005
Exxon Mobil Profit Soars on Oil Prices
By REUTERS
Filed at 8:24 a.m. ET

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Exxon Mobil Corp., the world's largest publicly traded oil company, on Thursday reported quarterly profit surged 75 percent, pushed up by record crude oil and natural gas prices.

Net income rose to $9.9 billion, or $1.58 a share, in the third quarter from $5.68 billion, or 88 cents a share, a year earlier.

Excluding a gain of $1.62 billion from restructuring its stake in a Dutch gas transportation business, earnings were $1.32 per share. On that basis, analysts' average forecast was $1.39, according to Reuters Estimates.

The company's oil and gas production fell 4.7 percent from a year earlier, hurt by outages caused by Hurricanes Katrina and Rita.

The hurricanes ripped through the Gulf of Mexico in the third quarter, disrupting energy operations in the region and sending oil prices and refining margins sharply higher.

Exxon Mobil's capital expenditures jumped to $4.41 billion in the quarter from $3.63 billion a year earlier.

Shares of Exxon Mobil, the largest of the so-called ''super-major'' oil companies, rose more than 10 percent in the quarter, underperforming the broader Standard & Poor's integrated oil and gas index, which rose more than 13 percent.

It was the true conservative faction (dobson?) who put the pressure on her....they say she isn't a real anti abortion person nor a true conservative.

Sally, those two Repub/Dem charts seem to be right in line with how everything has played out. But it is interesting that this country has fared better under Democrat rule than Repub. rule...historically, financially.

Could it be that fear is really not good for us? buuuuwwwhahahahahahah

Ted Rall on Unimpeachable Bush:
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1026-26.htm
Any safe can be cracked; every system of safeguards breaks down eventually. We can't get rid of Bush because the Founding Fathers, who were smart enough to think of just about everything, dropped the ball when they drafted the article that provides for presidential impeachment. Because there were no national political parties back in 1787, their otherwise ingenious system of checks and balances failed to account for the possibility that a Congress might choose to overlook a president's crimes.

Latest on Fitz.
http://waynemadsenreport.com/
PQ

Fitz is expanding office space....signed a lease for more space...rawstory.com

Anyone been able to be in communication with anyone from FL? I heard a trucker on Ed Shultz show say there were 500 trucks with emergency supplies in a yard in West Palm Beach....the Nat'l Guard won't let them out until they are 'dispatched' by FeMa to where they are needed...they';ve been sitting for 2 days.

VCZ lives in WPB....haven't heard from her in days. Pallas is where?
There are others on this board from FL....any input?

On the 'Die-In' at the white house, from Democrats.com
http://www.democrats.com/node/6616

Just saw a picture of Bush on Yahoo. He looks terrible! Eyes swollen - indicating a lack of sleep. Guess he's having a lot of sleepless nights over everything that's swirling around the White House these days, and it's just one huge crisis after another. I hope Cheney has to resign in disgrace. It's what he deserves, and been a long time coming.

Fiore on Harriet...very funny

http://www.sfgate.com/comics/fiore/

People, if you can hack it, I want you to scrutinize this video of dubya from the 24th. Toward the end he is talking about Meirs. Yes, he looks terrible: greatly aged, grey, thin, with weird out-of-alignment eyes. There are only a few closeup photos of him at the site showing how bad he looks; but I was shocked at how he's changed for the worst. Go here & click on the video [even though it says MediaPlayer, it will play in RealPlayer].
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/10/20051024-1.html#

BTW, you bibliophiles will like the book "Columbus and Other Cannibals" by Jack D Forbes (a Native American professor). He says the NAs have a word for the "spiritual vampirism", exploitations, imperialism and teroristic activities of white men, called wetiko. I'd say the cold-blooded NeoCons have it by the ton.

Sally, another great article. Your comments are so educational too. I must be the only one who finds Willy Wonka a creepy character, but I love the way you can creatively tie in anything to astrology to illustrate your idea. What an amazing Lady you are. Thanks.

judiG, regarding your concern for those in WPB & others in Florida: Talked to my son in West Palm 2 days ago - power was still out and a curfew in place making communications for most difficult. But he is living on a boat so they have their own power generator. He said they got gusts up to about 120 knots where they were - a strong catagory 2. Storm surge was about 3ft. Not too much damage in West Palm, but he said "Palm Beach is a mess."

http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001954.htm

Oh, My Ohio: Noe Indicted on 3 Counts in Bush/Cheney '04 Money-Laundering Scheme

Just in from the Toledo-Blade. One of the top GOP moneymen for Bush/Cheney in Ohio, and for Republicans nationwide, joins the ignominious ranks in the ever-swelling Republican "Culture of Corruption".

Apparently, Republicans are seemingly unable to "win" elections without cheating...Go figure. [emphasis added]

Noe indicted in Bush money-laundering case

A federal grand jury has indicted Tom Noe, the former Maumee coin dealer suspected of laundering money into President Bush’s reelection campaign, Mr. Noe’s attorney told The Blade today.

Gregory A. White, the U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Ohio, will hold a news conference in Toledo to announce “a major public corruption indictment.”

The U.S. Attorney’s office announced in April that it was investigating Mr. Noe for possible violations of federal campaign finance laws. Sources have told The Blade that authorities believe Mr. Noe gave money to several people who then contributed to the Bush-Cheney campaign.

More....

Charley Reese

I Have A Question For You

I have a question for you. You can ponder it while all the hot air generated in Washington about the Iraq War continues to billow forth from politicians and generals.

Here's the question: Why is it that we can take a high-school graduate, give him 16 weeks of training and ship him off to Iraq to fight when, after two years of alleged training, the Iraqis are still unable to field an army that will fight?

http://reese.king-online.com/Reese_20051019/index.php

Dick at the Heart of Darkness

By Maureen Dowd
The New York Times

Wednesday 26 October 2005

After W. was elected, he sometimes gave visitors a tour of the love alcove off the Oval Office where Bill trysted with Monica - the notorious spot where his predecessor had dishonored the White House.

At least it was only a little pantry - and a little panting.

If W. wants to show people now where the White House has been dishonored in far more astounding and deadly ways, he'll have to haul them around every nook and cranny of his vice president's office, then go across the river for a walk of shame through the Rummy empire at the Pentagon.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/102605M.shtml

To All: Please contact your Representative and tell him/her to support H.Res. 505 introduced on 10-20-05 by Dennis Kucinich asking for all pertinent data concerning WHIG be turned over for investigation.
http://www.kucinich.us/floor_speech/iq_whig_doc_request20oct.php

Try again
http://www.kucinich.us/floor_speeches/iq_whig_doc_request20oct.php

The Epic Crime That Dares Not Speak Its Name

By John Pilger

At the Nuremberg trial of the Nazi leadership, counts one and two, "Conspiracy to wage aggressive war and waging aggressive war", refer to "the common plan or conspiracy". These are defined in the indictment as "the planning, preparation, initiation and waging of wars of aggression, which were also wars in violation of international treaties, agreements and assurances". A wealth of evidence is now available that George Bush, Blair and their advisers did just that. The leaked minutes from the infamous Downing Street meeting in July 2002 alone reveal that Blair and his war cabinet knew that it was illegal.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10785.htm

Sunni Arabs Launch Political Campaign to Kick U.S. Out :

' "Our political program will focus more on getting the Americans out of Iraq," Hussein al-Falluji, a prominent Sunni who took part in talks on the constitution, told Reuters. "Our message to the American administration is clear: get out of Iraq or set a timetable for withdrawal or the resistance will keep slaughtering your soldiers until Judgment Day." '

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10787.htm

Sally: Thank you for the time you spent helping me understand the conservative mind/heart from the standpoint of their chart. It is so evident now, that they are very aligned with the Venus/Saturn contacts you mention as indicated by their collective behavior within the party . From everything I have read in astrology books, it is that Saturn that you indicate in the chart that they must "break through" in order to move into the more all-encompassing wholeness of the trans Saturnian planets to Uranus, Neptune, Pluto. Makes me wonder if they should disband and start all over, if they are in this process, and the Star IQ article seems to indicate this, if they will ever be able as a group to integrate the Saturian element in an effort to expand a new inclusive political outlook. It sounds to me when I talk that I am be overly critical...and that is not my intention at all.We all need to find a way to bridge the polarization, but I think most keenly the conservative party is required to. And we do this individually first. Perhaps in future, parties will be eliminated and we will find an effective way to run our country as a-political. I think the move of Saturn out of Cancer has helped a lot in this respect in that insecurity/fear isn't so palpable. Just want to mention too, that that Saturn element also keeps them stuck in their righteous religious outlook, instead of the more inclusive spiritual outlook. You can't get to spirituality until you get past Saturn.

Judi G. Everything you have described about your conservative encounters, fall right in line with Sally's description. I have a lot of my own such encounters. That is why all the input and sharing I find here is so important and valuable to me.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/26/AR2005102602202.html

Bid for More Home Heating Aid Fails in Senate

Associated Press

Thursday, October 27, 2005; A02

The Senate decided yesterday the money was not there for a substantial spending boost for the federal home heating program, deflecting arguments that soaring energy prices could force the poor to choose between heat and food this winter. Senators voted 54 to 43 in favor of a proposal to boost the fiscal 2006 budget for the Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Program from $2.2 billion to $5.1 billion. A 60-vote majority was needed to approve new spending not coupled with equivalent spending cuts.

Northern senators who pushed for increased spending for the program, led by Jack Reed (D-R.I.) and Susan Collins (R-Maine), argued that low-income families would be particularly hurt by the surge in fuel costs. People could have to "choose between keeping the heat on, putting food on the table or buying much-needed prescription drugs," Collins said. "No family should need to make such terrible choices."

Reed cited estimates that those who heat their homes with fuel oil will need $1,600 this winter, up $380, and the cost of using natural gas for heating could rise $500, to $1,400.

The Senate also defeated, 53 to 46, an alternative put forward by Budget Committee Chairman Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) that would have increased spending on the program by about $1.3 billion. The measure would have paid for the increase with an across-the-board cut of almost 1 percent in programs included in a $146 billion spending bill covering health, education and labor programs. Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) said that education grants for low-income children would be cut by $118 million, affecting 37,000 youths, and that Head Start would lose $63 million.

It was the third time this month that Reed unsuccessfully offered a LIHEAP amendment to a spending bill. He said he would keep trying.

Digby over at digbysblogspot said "Never play poker with this man (Harry Reid)." It occurs to me that Reid may have sunk the Harriet Miers' nomination from the beginning by publicly stating he was ok with it, (LOL).

Anyhow, I was thinking there was birth info on Miers here but somehow I didn't see it just now. Have been reading a lot about Miers from people who have known her and my take is that she is what I call a "good little girl." Nothing against her, especially, except that she sits up straight, folds her hands, and does exactly what the Teacher (or whoever the authority figure is) asks of her.

Which is why her statements seemed so contradictory. It just all depended on who she was talking to. On the Supreme Court she would have done whatever her boss (Mr. Bush) asked.

Thanks, Harry.

How about some fun, AW'ers? Carve your own virtual pumpkin!!!
http://www.theoworlds.com/halloween/

DeLay says conservative politics being criminalized
HOUSTON (AP) — Rep. Tom DeLay, under indictment on campaign finance violations, railed against Democrats in a letter Thursday, accusing them of engaging in "the politics of personal destruction."
The letter, sent to constituents and contributors, connected his case with investigations into possible misconduct by White House adviser Karl Rove and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist.

"What we're fighting is so much larger than a single court case or a single district attorney in Travis County," the Texas Republican wrote. "We are witnessing the criminalization of conservative politics."

DeLay stepped down as House majority leader after he was indicted Sept. 28 on charges he illegally funneled corporate campaign contributions to candidates for the Texas Legislature.

DeLay has launched an aggressive defense, seeking to have the judge removed because of his Democratic political activity and accusing the Democratic district attorney who charged him, Ronnie Earle, of pursuing the case for political reasons.

The letter was prepared for the Republican Party newsletter in DeLay's home county of Fort Bend. Party chairman Eric Thode said he also e-mailed it to about 2,000 Fort Bend County households and to state and national elected and party officials.

Hang on to your hats (indictments: no KKKKarl?):
http://nytimes.com/2005/10/28/politics/28leak.html?ei=5094&en=f4b9e5edc0a35fdf&hp=&ex=1130472000&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print

Shylurker, I just knocked over my popcorn bowl. @#######! DRAT!

Libby to be indicted tomorrow for ????? ( obstruction?)
Rove not indicted but still under investigation.
Extension of investigation will be requested.
NY Times ( via Aron Brown)
PQ

Patience, Pat C., patience.

Extend the grand jury and they all go.

Neptune goes direct today I think. Heh, hehheh. Shrub is defragmenting. And this new moon, according to Stariq is a bit of ferocious one.

Oct. 31, 2005: President Bush hosts Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi at the White House for a meeting and lunch, Washington, DC.

So let's see. President Bush is engulfed in a firestorm originally ignited by the administration's use of the phony Niger uranium documents. A flurry of press reports in Italy have just implicated Berlusconi's government in being behind the forgeries themselves.
mediachnnel.org
PQ

http://rawstory.com/index.html

*FITZGERALD GETS INDICTMENT
*Cheney withheld intel from Congress
*Fitzgerald eyeing obstruction, perjury charges
*Rove looking for way out of perjury charge...

Yes, and isn't it funny that the 31st is Halloween and Nov 1 All Saints day?

All Saints' Day, feast of the Roman Catholic and Anglican churches, and day on which churches glorify God for all God's saints, known and unknown. It is celebrated on Nov. 1 in the West, since Pope Gregory IV ordered its church-wide observance in 837. Its origin lies earlier in the common commemorations of martyrs who died in groups or whose names were unknown, which were held on various days in different parts of the Church; over time these celebrations came to include not only the martyrs but all saints. During the Reformation the Protestant churches understood “saints” in its New Testament usage as including all believers and reinterpreted the feast of All Saints as a celebration of the unity of the entire Church. In medieval England the festival was known as All Hallows, hence the name Halloween [=All Hallows' eve] for the preceding evening.
The Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia,

Pat QOP,

My thoughts precisely. Berlusconi...well, just ask the EU people about him!

It will all come out in the wash. The planets have had it with Shrub and Co. I'm beginning to believe in white light again.

Rove unindicted but under investigation? What fun. Fitzgerald would be crafting Karl's own private prison. No one would trust him, the tension around him would be horrific. No one could share much with him, nor could he share much on his own, everyone would have to be so very careful because "under investigation" could mean that he could be called in at any time, have his notes examined any time, those he had conversations with could be questioned. Oh, "under investigation" is so much worse than indictment.

Beverly, there is a potential for the GOP to break through some of that Venus/Saturn tension, Neptune is in a trine to their Saturn and inconjunct to the Venus, so there's a chance.

A bit off subject - listen to the actual sounds of Saturn here

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/space/SpaceRepublish_1425596.htm

and Jupiter here

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s231204.htm

Enjoy!

Sally,
My thinking too............keep them in the Hell of suspense!
I hope they don't break through.
PQ

2:00pm edt announcement

I think that Fritz is playing this totally smart. He indicts Libby isolates him thinking that maybe Libby will flip and give him some info on someone else while keeping the heat on the White House by stating that Rove won't be indicted today but he's still under investigation.
Also the White House has to be wondering what else Fitz is investigating. HMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!
Go Fitz!!!!!

and a 12pm release,

.........

10:10 a.m.: Rove’s lawyer, Robert Luskin, says: “The special counsel has advised Mr. Rove that he has made no decision about whether or not to bring charges and that Mr. Rove’s status has not changed,” He added: “Mr. Rove will continue to cooperate fully with the special counsel’s efforts to complete the investigation. We are confident that when the special counsel finishes his work, he will conclude that Mr. Rove has done nothing wrong.”

From Salon:

Here’s an interesting theory:

Judith Miller is Unnamed Woman in AIPAC Spy Ring Indictment

Page 24 Paragraph numbered 7of the AIPAC Spy Ring Indictment (see below)

http://news.findlaw.com/nytimes/docs/dod/usfrnklin80205ind.pdf

This is in reference to a meeting between FRANKLIN (Larry Franklin) and FO-3 (Naor Gilon) at the Pentagon Officers Athletic Club. The woman referenced is Judith Miller. Miller is a reporter for the New York Times who is as I write held in a Federal Facility in contempt of court. She wrote many now discredited stories on WMDs for the Times. The Charitable work was The Iraqi Jewish Archive which Judith Miller and Harold Rhode cooperated on with Ahmad Chalabi.

I have reason to believe that the conversation between Larry Franklin and Naor Gilon about Judith Miller included a reference to Valerie Plame. This case becomes a time bomb if it is revealed that Mossad had a part in the outing of CIA agent Plame.

http://www.sw-asia.com/People/Judith_Miller_Naor_Gilon_Franklin_AIPAC.htm

http://www.911proof.com/

Website where legal info will be posted from Fitz

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/index.html

Poll: Are indictments warranted in the CIA leak probe?
http://www.cnn.com/

The time for the majistrate is 12:37 pm EDT

Raw Story

Those close to the investigation say inquiry expanding... State Dep't and National Security Council figures probed... Rove may be in hotter water: Sources say he was offered a perjury deal but turned it down.... At least three officials in the case have agreed to provide additional information, setting the stage for an explosive, continuing probe... Lawyer for Joseph Wilson plans 3 p.m ET press conference; Civil suit expected...

I don't wanna speak too early, but a friend told me that Darth Cheney may be indicted today...be still my heart.....

false alarm, it was Scooter Libby...(sigh)..sorry y'all!

Oh Garry, keep the happy dance going. Scooter Libby IS the key to toppling this dastardly crew.

http://www.democrats.com/node/6631

karen

http://salon.com/politics/war_room//index.html

Novak's source? Still a mystery

If Patrick Fitzgerald knows who first leaked Valerie Plame's name to Robert Novak, he still isn't saying. The indictment filed against Scooter Libby today refers to the "senior administration official" as "Mr. A" -- and says that Libby was aware that "Mr. A" had leaked to Novak.

-- Tim Grieve

Libby indicted on charges of lying in Plame case

Scooter Libby, the chief of staff for Vice President Dick Cheney, has been indicted on charges of perjury, obstruction of justice and making false statements for allegedly lying about how and when he learned and disclosed then-classified information about Valerie Plame, the office of special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald has just announced.

The indictment against Libby alleges that he learned of Plame's identity from Cheney. It alleges that Libby discussed Plame's identity with Time's Matthew Cooper, NBC's Tim Russert and the New York Times' Judy Miller -- and that revealing Plame's identity had the potential of putting CIA agents at risk and damaging national security.

The 22-page indictment charges that Libby began looking into Joseph Wilson's trip to Niger in May 2003. That's several months before Robert Novak revealed Valerie Plame's identity but around the same time that Nicholas Kristof wrote a column in the New York Times in which he mentioned -- without using Wilson's name -- Wilson's criticism of the Bush administration's use of pre-war intelligence. The indictment charges Libby with lying to investigators about what he told reporters -- and lying to reporters about what, and how, he knew about Plame.

Although the indictment does not appear to charge Libby with a crime in connection for the leak itself, Fitzgerald has issued a statement that seems to take issue with the early Republican spin -- articulated over the weekend by Texas Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison -- that charges related to the cover-up rather than to an underlying crime would be "perjury technicalities." Fitzgerald said: "Without the truth, our criminal justice system cannot serve our nation or its citizens."

-- Tim Grieve

22 pg indictment against Libby:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1028051plame1.html

From Flo

From the 911 proof site, very interesting testimony here from former MI5 agent..

I hope one day Fitgerald looks into these little things...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/270605insidejob.htm

Here is the Libby material in non PDF format.

Hi Everyone...

Don't mean to be pessimistic but I sure hope this isn't a case of Libby taking the fall and the WHIG finding a way of blocking Fitzgerald's investigation or, worse, Fitzgerald doing some version of a plea bargain.

My All Hallow's E'en and All Saints Day wish:

~ May the Truth be Known ~

As an aside, my husband has the Pluto, Saturn Mars from 12 to 18 Leo, as well as a Scorpio Taurus opposition in the middle to late degrees. I have a Leo Moon Aquarius Mercury opposition. I think the new moon is affecting us, especially him. He keeps fielding minor dissapointments that challenge his ability to cope at a mature and centered level. I then become dissappointed in his responses as well as his inability to look at himself honestly or take any constructive feedback. I hope we can talk about it in the near future as our communication had been getting much better.

What is this new Iran PR about Israel? Are they indirectly tell us that should the US or Israel attack them, Israel is toast? Maybe Iran has some new intelligence on a pending attack? Or, have they just had it. The Palestinians responded by saying Iran's announcement was very inappropriate (or some such language). That was also a surprise. WV, what is your take?

Namaste -

Re: Libby indictment

Looks like this is major "shadow work"--

Since the majority of government and power brokers rely on various forms of deceit--this indictment is focused ONLY on narrow lines the "the truth"!!

Pluto in Saggitarius??

Trudy

Trudy and others: Jeff Green says Pluto in Saggitarius will be exposing the truth about anyone who is lying, just as it exposed Newt G. I trust exposure will take place regarding deceit by this administration eventually.

Seems as though Fitzgerald will not be going behind the actual outing to uncover the reason for the outing....(although he will try to uncover Libby;s motives)...to maintain deception of war. I am disappointed about this, but believe we will just have to find another way to get to them to bring them down. It is extremely dangerous to have a president in office who is so severly compromised running the show for the next three years.

Joshua Micah Marshall over at talkingpointsmemo.com has some very interesting observations to make. Seems available info points toward Bolton as the original source of the info for the leak. Oh, boy!

Poll: Do you think Rove will be indicted as well?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9853029/site/newsweek/#survey

Scoot on over there and vote. Oops, apologies for the pun.

Treasonous liars and warmongering murderers

By Sheila Samples

What attorney in his or her right mind would take on the mission of defending a gaggle of treasonous liars and warmongering murderers against the clearly stated, time-tested legal boundaries of the United States Constitution? Is there an attorney so ignorant of Constitutional law or so loyal to George W. Bush that covering his sorry ass trumps all reason, dignity, democratic principles or truth?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10806.htm

In one of the boldest moves yet in the 22-month investigation into the outing of a covert CIA agent to a handful of top reporters covering the White House, Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is extending his probe and pursuing much more serious charges against senior White House officials, specifically President Bush’s Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove, lawyers directly involved in the case told RAW STORY Friday.

While many people were left confused by news reports that said Rove wouldn't be indicted Friday, the lawyers said that Rove remains under intense scrutiny and added that Fitzgerald is betting on the fact that he can secure an indictment against Rove on charges of perjury, obstruction of justice, the misuse of classified information, and possibly other charges, as early as next week.
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Fitzgerald_expands_probe_believes_he_can_1028.html

I like this statemnt by Carl Bernstein in is article comparing the similarities of Watergate and Plamegate.

".....noting "in the Nixon administration, courageous Republicans decided it was important that the President's actions be scrutinized and that hasn't occurred in large measure (in the Plame case). But the implosion that seems to be occurring would indicated that that kind of scruitiny might be on the way."
http://www.editorandpublisher.com

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?emx=x&pid=32241

This is just such an excellent Tom's Dispatch

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The presentation of the indictment lasted less than five minutes from the time U.S. Magistrate Judge Deborah A. Robinson entered courtroom No. 4 on the second floor of the E. Barrett Prettyman Federal Courthouse at 12:35 p.m.