Welcome Back.

I will be going to a registered system as soon as possible, probably over the holidays or 1st of the year. I will let you know. Your emails will have to be registered however, if you wish to exchange emails you must do that between yourselves, I will under no circumstances be giving email addresses to anyone.

The comment section will be open on this article only, and as each new article is put up, the comment section on the old or past articles will be closed, that way I hopefully can control where the hacking originates.

Sally,

How fantastic that the site is back up. How could I possibly explain how bereft I felt when it was down?

Excellent, intelligent article, as always. It does seem that there may be a small ray of hope shining far down the corridor. It's much more that we've had for a long time. I, for one, feel some of the weight lifting off of my heart and spirit. I can almost breathe again! Definitely breathing much better now that Astroworld is back up.

Thank you so much for all of your hard work....

Welcome back, Sally. I have always wondered why someone would go through so much trouble to hack into a site like this. After all, isn't astrology just some arcane, inconsequential pseudoscience?

I think they realize, as most here do, that astrology is no pseudoscience, and that you speak the truth of those events which must come to pass. It must be very frightening for them to watch as one after another of the transits take place, and one after another of their cherished illusions are shattered to pieces before their very eyes.

And so, the "great awakening" unfolds.

Darkness is drawn to the light. It's been suggested that golden light is more protective because of that (or at least it draws fewer attacks. I don't know if that is true, but it makes sense to me and I've used gold light ever since I read that. Whether it works or not, it can't hurt, and I'll be surrounding AW with gold light from now on.

Welcome back!
Like kristi I have felt bereft without my friends at AW.
This time of year here, there is a sense of closing down, as the summer people with their broader perspective leave, the days shrink abruptly, ( an extra month of DST still doesn't change the amount of sunlight coming in......) and the coming winter demands of us certain tasks to be done, to survive the cold. The reasons for being here: landscape painting, gardening...were not fullfilled this past summer ..... ..........
Compared to my former life in downtown Phila., where people were returning from summer vacation, the art museum offered new possibilities, the concert season was beginning, and new possibilities for work, appeared....................
I am realizing that whatever I do/make, has to be carved out
of this 1,176 sq. ft. I occupy! My biological advantage of requiring only 6 hours of sleep is balanced by the greater need for energy consumption! ( Can't do artwork by lantern light!)
So I embrace the astrological, philosophical, emotional, and intellectual, & pragmatic, input from AW.

Hey isn't this grand this downhill slide we're watching in DC??
PQ

The world is waiting for leaders that can tell us the truth about everything. Can we see this comming in the stars/astrology?

I am delighted you managed to get the site up and running again. Although I do not post often, I do read the articles and I keep track of on-going threads every day. It troubles me someone felt compelled to hack the site because of what -- differences in opinion, a different perspective???

Thank you for continuing to post such wonderful articles. The current one really hits the nail on the head, so to speak.

Sincerely, Truewater2

Sally-

I am so happy to have AW back. I was about to go into severe withdrawal. Thank you for giving us this space.

This article explains why AW is desparately missed: it informs, it provides much food for thought, and it is smartly written.

Oh, this is a fine day indeed!!! Thanks so much, Cap'n Sally, and a cheery hello to all.

OHMYGOODNESS! YAYY!!! WELCOME BACK AW'ERS!!!
A happy day indeed.
Thank you for reopening the site Cap'n Sally and also thanks for this fine new article. As for registration, where do I sign? I can't wait.

Good to see everyone and everything again. I'm buying more popcorn to watch the fun in DC--gives a new meaning to the "fall" season, doesn't it?

I don't know why they would hack this site either, but I think it's a "spam" hacker.

This article showed up on Buzzflash, and the fact it's from the UN and on the BBC I give it more credance, plus it's what they did in NO. I don't know how long Bush can make it or if he will last the next three years, (I thought the people would have had him well out of there before now) but the beat, beat, beat to remove him will become louder. If you've noticed, Germany, England, France, Italy, and Turkey are politically shifting more to the conservative end of problem solving. Nonetheless, this government did this in NO http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4344136.stm

There are some critical mid-points on GWB's ascendant and Saturn will keep on hammering those, he will see his popularity fall further.
It's down to "2" percent among African/Americans.

I heard Howard Dean, when asked why government, both parties are tone deaf, and aren't hearing the people. He said "well the people are usually ahead of politicians when it comes to change."

That is one of the most lame answers I've heard. Who and why and how do they think they got there. We have "given" them the candy store folks and we gotta figure out how to get it back.

A good morning to all! I am so glad that the site is back up and running, the withdrawal symptoms were about to get unbearable! Thanks Sally for keeping the show going and I'll gladly register when the time comes! And now that I am working again, a donation will be headed your way soon!

Popcorn? I'm setting up a margarita machine!

By the way, I had a dream last night that Cheney died and the WH was trying to cover it up. In the dream, Schrub flipped out and was hauled off...Then I woke up. Damn, I wanted to see what else happened. Oh well, time will tell.

Happy, happy joy- joy!!!! Thank you Sally. The first few days weren't so bad, but withdrawal started setting in quickly after that, followed by a feeling of being all alone. This site means so much to me & apparently to many of us. Thanks for putting up with the hassles, and thanks for bringing us your genious (yes, genious) at your craft.

I was imagining what kind of issues I'd like to see addressed astrologically while the site was down, and you hit them square on the head! I especially enjoy revisiting the Saturn/ Jupiter conjunction because I remember everything that was so crazy in MY life at that time, too. I'm seeing some closure to some of that stuff now, which feels wonderful. Weirdly enough, I had problems with my thoughts/ speech then too. It's not very much fun to feel like nothing is going right & nobody can even understand you.

Anyway- you really raised my eyebrows talking about the Uranus square in Jan./ Feb. I saw a prediction somewhere that this was when the New Madrid faultline would take a hit and was curious what ole Uranus would be doing. I'm about 200 miles north of St. Louis, just on the edge of a catastrophe.

Anything you want to do to secure the site, is a-ok with all of us I'm sure. I think I'm going to quit smoking here pretty quick & one withdrawal attack is all I can handle at a time I think.

[Hi EVERYBODY!!!!! :)]

Oh welcome back Sally! How good it is to be here again!

I've only read the first few paragraphs of the article, and I'm on my way back to read the rest now. I sure looks like a compelling piece.

Onward and upward Sally and Astroworld...some of the best people and one of the best sites on the net.

"flipping out" is not an impossibility Cybear with the mid-points sitting on GWB's ascendant. They are having a very difficult time right now and the stress is overwhelming as he has to rapidly learn how to be President and not a dress-up President and he is having to learn that just at the time he has become sick and tired of being President.

Today will end up being violent in Iraq (either today or tomorrow) The towns likely to vote no to this constitution awakened this morning without voting booths or ballets. They will not be happy campers. Don't listen to the spin on this vote. There are a couple of repeated New Moons, one is transiting Moon will conj. the Sun of the War Chart by evening, and then the War Chart's natal Moon conj. the Sun of todays vote. On top of that transiting Pluto is opposing the "War" chart Saturn almost exactly. The next few days will be fairly dramatic.

I celebrate the return of Astro. You must be pouring salt in someone's porridege for them to keep coming after this site. They not only don't want the truth to reach others, they apparently don't want to know it themselves. Heads under covers? Afraid because we "Do not believe the mighty cannot fall because they are falling all over the world."? I'm terrifically glad they can't stop you Sally. They'll learn that, just as they'll learn they can't stop any of us or, themselves from falling.

I am so happy to celebrate the return of astroworld! Thanks, Sally, for the important work you are doing and the wisdom you share. This most recent article is great.

Let the Great Unraveling and Awakening continue...

Blessings to all,
Shine

Sally, Sally, Sally, I am so glad you are back. I took a page out of shylurker's book and cleared space under the bed. I am glad I don't have to spend any more time there.

I hear the White House press corps has really been giving it to Scottie McClelland and there was some outrage because he accused Helen Thomas of not supporting the war on terror. Is he beginning to go through a melt down? Are the lies he is having to spew actually getting to him? It's all getting to be very very interesting.

Sally,
So delighted to find your site back up and enlightening.

Although I seldom post . . .I check in most everyday and have been doing so for a very long time. Your wonderful/astute articles and those of the other talented contributors to your site have helped me keep hold of my sanity these long five years. The contrived obliteration of our constitution/freedoms and the American press by these evil vandals desperate to turn back the clock of progress in America is beyond frightening to me. Like the cowards and loons presently holding our government hostage the hacker/s of this site cannot stand freedom of thought or dialog. History, has recorded how the dictatorial and corrupt frightened by any opposing discourse always attempt to mute/destroy those that have different ideas or views . . . need I say more.

Hurray!!! Yeeeeeeha! Yippeeee! Bet you can't tell how darned happy i am to see you back up Sally! Did i say happy?

I felt so guilty for awhile having addressed the wayward visitor, (prior to the assault on this site) but actually know it didn't matter whether or not anyone responded, since he/she was insistent on creating a scene.

Like M, i wonder who is so darned concerned that they need to attack this site?

The article, as always, was just perfect, Sally. Perfectly timed, as well. There aren't enough shovels to cover up the *hit that's hitting the fan. There will continue to be droplets of doo-doo everywhere this POTUS has walked (stumbled, tripped, fallen).

I too will be glad to comply with whatever changes you require, Sally. I'm just so darned thrilled to see you back up!

karen

So glad to see AW up and running again! I rarely post but check in often to see what's 'really' going on in this mad world! your articles give much needed hope. Blessings to all ...now back to lurking...

Here is an eye-opening read sent to me by a friend.

http://www.aspartame.ca/page_vaccs11.htm

Review for Good Night and Good Luck

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/05/47/features-clooney.php

Let the information flow.

The coming week could be a very eventful week with
indictments on the pipeline and what not. So let us all get ready. By the way, Sally, how does the
planetary configurations look for the coming week
for this shaky US govt.?

Pat C, there are other accounts of doctors giving aspirin, during that "epidemic." Those given aspiring died, since the aspirin seemed to accelerate the symptons.

So. . .do not get the "flu" vaccine (i never have, have you?) and definitely don't take aspirin if you do have flu-like symptons.

I'm standing by the Master Tonic, but am having one heck of time finding horseradish root. Anyone have horseradish root in their garden?

karen

http://www.tompaine.com/print/caring_for_creation.php

Caring For Creation

Bill Moyers
October 07, 2005
Bill Moyers is a broadcast journalist and former host the PBS program NOW With Bill Moyers. This piece is adapted from the keynote address Moyers presented to the annual convention of the Society of Environmental Journalists in Austin, Texas, on October 1, 2005. Moyers also serves as president of the Schumann Center for Media and Democracy, which gives financial support to TomPaine.com.

I don’t fit neatly into the job description of an environmental journalist, although I have kept returning to the beat ever since my first documentary on the subject some 30 years ago. That was a story about how the new Republican governor of Oregon, Tom McCall, had set out to prove that the economy and the environment could share the center lane on the highway to the future.

Those were optimistic years for the emerging environmental movement. Rachel Carson had rattled the cage with Silent Spring, and on the first Earth Day in 1970, 20 million Americans rose from the grassroots to speak for the planet. Even Richard Nixon couldn’t say no to so powerful a subpoena by public opinion, and he put his signature to some far-reaching measures for environmental protection.

Master Tonic Recipe
http://www.annieappleseedproject.org/nattonfromri.html

Thanks to Pat for posting the link to aspartame and the flu shots/epidemic. You were right. The whole site was a very interesting read. And I have never taken a flu shot and never will.

Oh, thank heavens! Astroworld's back. (Whew). Gold light. Gold light.

So, late December is going to be the wake up call, so to speak, for America? Was it on the last thread that Cybear? was posting about December 22nd being eventful. Gosh, I can't remember. So much going on here at home. I'll have to search.

As for the avian flu, it has killed 100 people worldwide. 100 people does not an epidemic make. However, those "scientists" who resurrected, so to speak the 1918 Spanish flu culture, worry me. If any flu outbreak happens, that'll be it. Just like they did with AIDS. That was man-made.

Patricia

Dear Sally, What a riveting article. I am so glad you mentioned Porter Goss in light of his decision last week to refuse disclipine/reprimand/dismissal to agents irresponsible in their work concerning 9/11. This decision was made against the recommendation of an internal investigation just completed last week. I know the tragedy concerns all levels of governmental bureaucries and to single some out would not be fair, but seems to me as a minimum he could officially address some of the internal "cultural" issues, which still exsit even after restructuring. U.S. Saturn and progressed Venus, Libra in aspect to 9/11 Mercury will be very interesting to watch.

On a similar topic to this article, I want to share these two little movie tidbits since they relate to America/Democracy, a new television movie. Click on Howard Beale, there are two of them. Look at Beale in the boardroom first.
http://www.canofun.com

I forgot to tell you all to clik on the Political videos...the very last option on the home page.

Raj: I was so worried that indictments would be issued and I wouldn't have anyone here at Astroworld to talk to if the sight was still down.I am much relieved. P.S. I was able to pick up Air America-Randi Rhodes last night clear as crystal from Ohio all the way to West Michigan!
She says that something very serious is wrong with the President. Using drugs or very ill.

Thank the Goddess you are up and running, Sally!
I was very distressed that one of the finest political astrology sites was down.
This may be my first post, after lurking and enjoying you for a very long time.
Keep the hammer swinging, as they say on my favorite strictly political site, Bartcop, go to
www.bartcop.com (check it out!).
Bright Blessings,
Janet

I was also tuned to Randi show on friday and listened to what you mentioned above. She also
mentioned about the eventful week ahead and the commander in thief under DIU etc. Imagine the total explosion on these shows when the indictments are announced next week.It will be something to look forward to.Nothing like this has
happened in the recent years!

I forget to address the above to you Beverly.

Thank you WV for posting the natural tonic recipe again. I was just beginning to stew about it wondering if the archives would be available to us, trying to remember just when it had been posted!
Is the flue vaccine to be avoided, a specific one for avian flue or is it any generic flue shot?? ( which I had last year)
It's so nice to have the "libretto" back to read before the show begins!
PQ

funny site below:

http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/2005/10/grand-jury-barbecue-time.html

People in India eat a few star anise at the end of each meal. Star anise is the base of the tamiflu.

From the New York Times

http://tinyurl.com/97h7m

The Miller Case: From a Name on a Pad to Jail, and Back

By DON VAN NATTA Jr., ADAM LIPTAK and CLIFFORD J. LEVY

In a notebook belonging to Judith Miller, a reporter for The New York Times, amid notations about Iraq and nuclear weapons, appear two small words: "Valerie Flame."

Ms. Miller should have written Valerie Plame. That name is at the core of a federal grand jury investigation that has reached deep into the White House. At issue is whether Bush administration officials leaked the identity of Ms. Plame, an undercover C.I.A. operative, to reporters as part of an effort to blunt criticism of the president's justification for the war in Iraq.

Ms. Miller spent 85 days in jail for refusing to testify and reveal her confidential source, then relented. On Sept. 30, she told the grand jury that her source was I. Lewis Libby, the vice president's chief of staff. But she said he did not reveal Ms. Plame's name.

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Sally,

Thanks for the great article and Welcome Back!

Sally, I'm so glad you got the site going again! [Jeez, can he be a more pathetic loser then to spend his weekend hacking into your site? Get out of the house, dude!] Will security be like Nancy has on her site? Speaking of Nancy, she has a good article up on Meir's. http://www.starlightnews.com/

Cybear, dubya in a straight jacket has been one of my mental pictures from a meditation I did about 6 months ago. But Cheney out of the picture too, whoa.
Won't we just end up with another clown in charge?

Pat C

Thanks for the article on Judy Chalibi...the whole thing stinks and the NY Times once a great
paper in no better than Pravda at the height of the USSR. Ms Miller actions and reporting have
resulted in the deaths of thousands of Iraqis and
thousands of our own troops. She deserves to remain in prison for the rest of her life. There
is nothing admirable in protecting a bunch of liars who have no regard for the Constitution nor
the people of America. A bunch of bloody chicken
hawks who didn't have the balls to serve this country. They didn't care when it was their time'
to stand up and be counted and they couldn't care
less now. I hope it is coming to them in spades.
And while we are at it we should impeach Congress
for backing them and ignoring their oath of office.
What a bunch of bloody losers. Freedom of the press my behind.

Amen to all the comments expressing relief that Sally is back. Astroworld offline is like a day without sunshine and a night without starlight.

Cybear and Jill G, a few nights ago I dreamed I was watching Bush on television. It was live, but one of those scripted events with screened "regular Americans" lined up for props. In my dream, Bush behaved erratically and insanely, insulting the people who were there to applaud him, jumping around, toppling over chairs, etc. and plain acting crazy. I jumped up to record the event but just got a few minutes before the picture went dark. Then on a later news show I saw a severely cut snippit that just showed Bush walk in. All the crazy stuff had been edited out. Then I woke up and for a few minutes didn't know if I had been dreaming or remembering--it seemed so real. I remember thinking during the dream, "Gosh, now everybody is going to see what he is really like."

This afternoon saw "Good Night and Good Luck" Great movie, though people who are younger than their late 60s are going to need some context.

Raj, you asked about the coming week astrologically. There is an eclipse on the 17th that squares the US Mercury and falls exactly across GWB 10th and 4th houses. This eclipse relates to Saros Series 7 South (Bernadette Brady) begun June 22, 1248 19:07 GMT South Pole "the immense power, anger and force of the
Mars square Pluto is channeled into this family of eclipses via the trine. (she means the trine of the Sun and Moon to Pluto) Those experiencing this series will find that huge obstacles will suddenly and easily clear or, on the negative side, a pending potential crisis will suddenly manifest and move through their life very rapidly. The person will feel that everything is moving at great speed."

Based on that I would interpret the effect on the US (eclipse square Mercury) might be a shutting out of hidden information or knowledge. A sense of "what just happened here."

For GWB it could mean the sudden release of these impending indictments supposedly coming for at least Rove and/or Libby and in a snap, the whole Plame issue will be over. Another possibility is the sudden resignation of Ms. Miers from SCOTUS nomination. For sure something will pass suddenly and unexpectedly for GWB and for USA. However it could be that for GWB the passing is a release and for the USA the passing results in frustration but an important lesson will be learned.

It could also indicate Iraq and the sudden passing of the new Constitution, giving Bush an sense of success but with resultant Civil War, or the Constitution goes down in defeat adverting a Civil War for the immediate future.

Anyone who is affected by this eclipse look to the house and planet affected, and expect release from a seeming growing crisis.

Sally, regarding the eclipse, what signs and degrees would that relate to? This week should be very interesting and I hope nothing but health and happiness manifests for everyone here.

Welcome back up!

Absolutely nothing can keep a good woman down and that means you, Sally! Much appreciation to you and all the great astrologers here for your outpouring of love, high intellect and spirituality.

Hello also to all my friends here. Pat POQ, thinking of you as you experience the seasonal change and prepare for winter. Please take good care of yourself and nuture yourself; the same to all the rest of you.

I am not able to be online as much as I used to be but I will keep checking in. I am using my cell phone to facilitate my connection...still waiting for regular phone service but that is really small stuff; my life has been very blessed.

I'll be glad to register as needed, Sally.

Check back with you later. Shylurker, Sally, WV, or anyone else, have any of you heard from Jo?
Did you say she was traveling, or was it her computer, Pat C?

White Light to all....

Welcome, welcome back. Like so many others on this site, I kept checking it each day. So very sad about malicious, destructive hackers.

And Sally, your article rocks.

A while back we were discussing Fitzgerald's birth data. Some said 1960, some said 1961. Stariq has an article this week citing Dec. 22, 1961. Whatever the case, Fitzgerald's Sun is on Rove's Chiron and Pallas Athena. Pallas has always been regarded as a strategist, both military and political. In Rove's chart it is at 0 Cap. conjunct the Chiron at 25 Sag.

Cybear, I agree with Sally. Your dream may have more kernals of truth than linear thinking would allow. Cheney's chart is being bombarded with adverse aspects, particulary his health.

Isn't Conyers' Sun right on where that 2000 Jupiter/Saturn eclipse was? Must research.

CNN is running a jagged and well over due documentary about soldiers from NC and their families who are asking bitter questions about the war in Iraq. Pretty fair airing of those who are pro and those who are con. John King reporting. More tomorrow night (Sunday) on Cnn.

Night all...

I mean the Jupiter/Saturn conjunction! Not eclipse. The conjunction of 2000 in Taurus.

Beasley, I do have both birthdates, and kind of go eenie, meenie, minni, moe with them, but the thing I think is interesting is in the 1960 chart, Mercury is at 22 Sagittarius and in the 61 chart his Venus is at 22 Sagittarius, so Pluto is aspecting one of his personal planets and indicates a power struggle he will have and has had over this. Pluto will be aspecting 22 Sagittarius for the last time this month, (and he has had 4 hits over the last 18 months to 22 Sagittarius) so he will be bringing a resolution to his power struggles, hopefully for a win.

Man, are my brains addled or what?!! Stariq says Fitzgerald was born in 1960. Dec. 22, 1960.
Amen.

Yeah Sally! How I've missed "hearing" your voice!
And the voices of all those enlightened souls who post here.
Glad to see that after reading everything and clicking the refresh button another dark energy Joe post has been zapped into the ether.

Good morning Sally, Astroworld,
And an excellent morning it is to rise and find the site is running. I thank you, Sally for your perserverance, we all appreciate you so much.

That was a gorgeous article, Sally. Filled with inner steel and confidence.

>>We will beat them, but not with money, power or swords, we will beat them with our own and collective spirituality. Start humming.<<

Do I ever love that. And I am encouraged as I have none of those three items you mentioned.
It's so important to remember that this is less about their downfall and more about our uprising. That's what I want to celebrate, as we move in to fill the vacuum. Now is the time to be at our best.

Welcome Back, Sally!

I so missed you. You are the other site that I followed so much (The other one is Starlight News) for the real insight into what's happening.

I think I know why some people hack this site. Think of all the fundies who are taught that astrology is of the devil (I used to be a fundie, until I got metaphysical) and who also believe Shrub is somehow God's Great Anointed. A site like this that actually predicts trouble for the Great Leader by using astrological and intuitive means, is seen as a double abomination by those Bush cult types.

And there's always has been the fear and jealousy that astrologers seem to be more loved and believed by the general public than all of the preachers on tv. All of it leads to a very toxic brew ripe for inspiring people to actually hack your site.

Sally, have yout thought about not only going to a registration program, but a Scoop like system like Kos and MyDD have? I almost visualize a system where on diaries, we could have basic astro information, follow particular people's transits, the world of astrology in general, et cetera, while having a main page asd well....

Pat QQP, best wishes and my condolences. I hope you find a new kitty like Cinnamon. Cats keep you warm, emotionally and physically, when it's cold outside.

farrout, I have always been told not to take aspirin when I had the flu. They use to talk about Brown's Syndrome. I never take it with the flu. I like to take Infuenzinum once a month to prevent the flu or a more concentrated dose if I have the flu. Unfortunately, my daughter came home with the flu, and I caught it before this years formula for Influenzinum arrived, so I took homeopathic remedies for each symptom, and I'm doing quite well now. Yeaaaa!

Helen, you are welcome! I'm grateful for some very good and wise friends who provide me with really good and useful information. I know people I would otherwise never have met because of the internet. First the telephone, and now the internet...technology has a good side!

Patricia, I as sure as I can be that they are trying to control the major population with fear. That's a particularly evil thing to do to fellow human beings.

wv, LOL, "Judy Chalibi"...absolutely! You are so clever and right on! You've probably seen the continuing list of articles the NYT has marched out since the one I posted. Most sadly the one from Judy Chalibi herself. No surprise in any of them. There are a few nuggets of interest, but my impression is that they are a pretense of journalism, intended to convince the reading public that they are actually reporting important news. Ha!

I hope everyone has the time to see "Good Night and Good Luck". It's late, but it's right on!

Anon, Jo is spending time posting excellent thoughts and research on Salon. She is an awesome researcher.

Thank you Sally and all for the best site on the internet!

BTW, I'm having the time of my life (not) with Saturn squaring my Mercury! I feel like I'm speaking through a gray flannel suit. Ugh!

Frank Rich: It's Bush-Cheney, Not Rove-Libby

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/101605Z.shtml

Asked repeatedly about Mr. Rove's serial appearances before a Washington grand jury, the jittery Mr. Bush, for once bereft of a script, improvised a passable impersonation of Norman Bates being quizzed by the detective in "Psycho." Like Norman he stonewalled.What makes Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation compelling, whatever its outcome, is its illumination of a conspiracy that was not at all petty: the one that took us on false premises into a reckless and wasteful war in Iraq. That conspiracy was instigated by Mr. Rove's boss, George W. Bush, and Mr. Libby's boss, Dick Cheney.

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Gray flannel suit?
That's a funny analogy Pat C(but I'm not belittling your situation of course).

But to get to a point you made about the control by fear thing--has anyone else noticed this but me? Think back on this....every year in the last few years, the "experts" and the msm have reported that "this year is going to be the worst flu season EVER!"

How can EVERY YEAR be the worst season ever? I haven't had the flu in at least 10 years, nor do I recall my friends getting the flu, so those factors make me suspect about the severity of the flu seasons past.....and also what the real agenda is? Namely, are they just trying to keep us so scared so we'll keep buying their "vaccine" BS? It reeks to high heaven if you ask me.....

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/16/business/worldbusiness/16view.html?th=&emc=th&pagewanted=print

Waiting for the Petrodollars to Trickle Down

By EDUARDO PORTER
REMEMBER petrodollars, those oil riches that sloshed around the world after the price of crude soared in the 1970's and 1980's? Well, they're back.

As oil prices have charged ahead, the United States and other oil importers have transferred hundreds of billions of dollars to oil exporting countries like Saudi Arabia and Venezuela. What these countries do with their new wealth could have substantial implications for the American economy.

The petrodollar stash is enormous. According to estimates by the International Monetary Fund, oil export revenues of Middle Eastern countries will reach nearly $400 billion this year.

On an inflation-adjusted basis, that is double the amount of those revenues in 1980, when oil prices surged after Ayatollah Khomeini came to power in Iran, and more than three times the figure of 1974, when the price of crude spiked after the Arab oil embargo.

This time around, it's not just Arab countries that are making a lot of money from oil, but also countries like Mexico, Russia and Canada. Ted Carmichael, chief Canadian economist at J. P. Morgan in Toronto, estimates that the 19 big energy exporters will reap $781 billion this year, compared with $549 billion in 2004 and $324 billion in 2002. What ultimately happens to this windfall - whether oil exporters decide to spend it or salt it away - will help determine how the pain caused by expensive energy is distributed throughout the American economy and the rest of the world.

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..........

http://www.buzzflash.com

Garry, maybe, straightjacket.

Well, continuing on the theory that they project on others what they are doing themselves.

"Sadam gassed his own people."

http://wip.warnerbros.com/goodnightgoodluck/

http://www.astrowisdom.com/thisfullmoon.htm

..for those interested...

Here are some predictions from Chakrapani's web site. "Predictions for the Vedic New Year 2005".http://www.chakrapani.com/articles/Articlepredictions2005.htm

In the New Year chart, the ruler of the rising sign, the Sun, is placed in the 8th house, a hidden house. Therefore, this Sun does not allow the country to take any major steps is any one direction. They may not accomplish anything.

The 8th house has something to do with finance and suffering so the country is moving toward increasing its national deficit, and it may take many, many years for this country to be free of its debts once again. This is due to wrong economic policies, unexpected natural calamities, unanticipated increase of war costs and a reduction in production activities as well as unanticipated increases in costs of living.

Malefic Saturn, creates a pessimistic mood in the country. Financial matters as well as business matters get unexpectedly adversely affected.

The transit of Saturn in Cancer and the transit of Mars in Aries beginning from July 2005 to February of 2006 is extremely malefic with much negative consequences to the country and world at large.

Saturn's transit in Cancer until July 2007 = more bad news.

With all this upheaval, I do see a light at the end of the tunnel because, after July 2007 the nation will be looking for change. That change will come in the form of a new government.
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So it looks like the real hard times are expected between now and February of next year. Chakrapani was one of the astrologers who predicted Bush would win both elections.

I was encouraged by his last paragraph: the US will be looking for a change, and we'll get a new government. I can't wait to see what that will look like.
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Sally, as far as the hacking is concerned, maybe you could turn the web site into a fee-based participation? People could still go to the web site and read, but maybe you could charge a web fee of $5.00 per year, and any other contributions would be welcome?

I've been a member of the DU for about 4 years. In their 'Astrology' room, we used to have fights constantly. There were a few rabble-rousers who made it their mission in life to cause trouble in there.

The DU Admin's finally had enough and made it a "Donations Only" room. Guess what? The fighting instantly stopped. I guess someone who wants to cause trouble will never donate. That's one way of weeding them out.

I will gladly donate to this site. It's pretty obvious how many people rely on Astro World to get their Astro News.

Sally and all, it's great to have you back!!! I don't post much, but get my daily fix and sanity here ... blessings to all!

So wonderful to see all your voices again. One I'm missing, though, is Sharon. Anyone know how she's doing?

Oh Shylurker, isn't it just like you to think of me! You are really the best - you're such a and thoughful, sensitive, loving, and uplifting being.

I was the one posting at 4:51 a.m. above, forgetting that my name wasn't listed since I'm using my husband's computer. Things are at a point where I can now participate more regularly and my voice stream can combine with all of yours again. It feels good to be home :-)

I'll tell you one thing I'm really appreciating lately in post-Katrina New Orleans, and that's the opportunity to live simply and begin anew in a certain sense. With lots of businesses still closed, traffic is still light, and choices are narrow so everything is more special. Of course, I am very blessed and not in the situation of those who are homeless and living in trailers or with relatives. Then, again, knowing me, I would find things to enjoy and appreciate. Don't get me wrong, though, I'd probably also find things to complain about -- I'm no angel.

Looking forward to Fitzgerald's coup this week, and missing Jo but I'm glad she's putting her formidable intellect to good use.

Glad to see almost every AWer has chimed in here under this great article.

Sharon

Yes, Sally, a power thing indeed for Fitzgerald.

I'm going with the 1960 chart for a while. I think his natalUranus which is trining transiting Pluto now ( which is fast on his natal Mercury) is going to to act like a catalyst to the explosion about to ensue. Transiting Uranus is traversing his 12th house in the noon time chart...and even if it isn't his 12th house, it is opposing his natal Pluto and possible North Node. Power, change and a change in how he thinks, what he believes or believed.

Your Government in Action...

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/printer_101605Y.shtml

what a bunch of bloody hypocrites...

Whew! Glad Sally's got AW back! Sharon so good to see you! Still some voices missing, Bhakti?
Me, damn it's been a tough week, one of my few close buddy go play go wreck havoc upon the world and runneth amoketh girlfriends crossed over on 10/5 I've been not chatty. But I do have an eye on the full moon and eclipse, hint Saturn sits on the midheaven, can everyone say wow. I'll have my take on it sometime tomorrow evening most likely.

Thanks again Sally for making this forum available to us and for all the AW'er who make this incarnation tolerable.

Yay, Sharon's back! And you're right Morgana: where's Bhakti?

While we're waiting on Morgana's next, be sure to check out John's 6:52 pm entry on normalization of treason over at americablog.org AND Joshua Micah Marshall's links to fascinating stuff by Kevin Drum over at talkingpointsmemo.com Also, for a really good laugh, read JMM's article on Miers' right beneath the Kevin Drum one.

Oh, and Morgana, I am saddened to learn about your friend. Oh, life, how it challenges us with all its twists and turns.

ttp://www.counterpunch.com/roberts10102005.html

The Corpse of Habeas Corpus: The Police State is Closer Than You Think

by Paul Craig Roberts

Police states are easier to acquire than Americans appreciate.

The hysterical aftermath of September 11 has put into place the main components of a police state.

Habeas corpus is the greatest protection Americans have against a police state. Habeas corpus ensures that Americans can only be detained by law. They must be charged with offenses, given access to attorneys, and brought to trial. Habeas corpus prevents the despotic practice of picking up a person and holding him indefinitely.

President Bush claims the power to set aside habeas corpus and to dispense with warrants for arrest and with procedures that guarantee court appearance and trial without undue delay. Today in the US, the executive branch claims the power to arrest a citizen on its own initiative and hold the citizen indefinitely. Thus, Americans are no longer protected from arbitrary arrest and indefinite detention.

More...

Morgana
Warm thoughts fly up the coast to you.

May your "runeth amoketh girlfriend" seed the heavens with her energy and carry us forward to a brighter and more lively future.

Oh tseka, thank you for bringing me to my senses.

(((Morgana)))

I have been seeing this energy here as well. I send you healing energy to sooth your spirit Morgana.

DeLay Raised $1.2M Before Indictments

Monday October 17, 2005 2:46 AM

AP Photo WX102

WASHINGTON (AP) - Cash in the campaign coffers of Rep. Tom DeLay rose to $1.2 million over the past three months, although much of the money came before the former majority leader was indicted in Texas.

DeLay raised about $920,000 in the three months that began July 1 and ended Sept. 30 in anticipation of a March primary race. His Democratic challenger in the November election is expected to be former Rep. Nick Lampson, who lost his seat in 2004 after he was forced to run in a new district under a redistricting plan pushed by DeLay.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-5348687,00.html

...and this

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/15/AR2005101501539.html

How a Lobbyist Stacked the Deck
Abramoff Used DeLay Aide, Attacks On Allies to Defeat Anti-Gambling Bill

ANALYSIS
As Republicans stumble, Democrats bumble
Strategists say Dems having trouble finding identity, offering compelling alternative
- Marc Sandalow, Washington Bureau Chief
Sunday, October 16, 2005

Washington -- Listen to Democrats and it is easy to say what they are not.

They are not the party that led America to war in Iraq. They are not the party trying to privatize Social Security, cut taxes to the rich or add to the deficit. They are not the party responsible for the slow federal response to Hurricane Katrina, whose top leaders in the House and Senate are under investigation, whose White House is being scrutinized by a special prosecutor, or whose members are up in arms over their president's latest Supreme Court selection.

Democrats, some barely able to contain their glee, seem to have embraced the strategy of Napoleon Bonaparte, who famously advised: "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."

It is far more difficult to say what Democrats are for.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/10/16/MNG7EF96GL1.DTL&type=printable

Abramoff's real problems heat up in Dec. and follow him all the way through to spring. His Sun in Pisces inconj. his Natal Uranus and Uranus will be conjuncting his Sun and inconjuncting his Uranus, he will make a huge mistake (or already has) that will bring an unexpected blow. In Dec. Pluto conj. his Saturn. Power struggles everywhere. I think his real body blow will come in March/April

....more Fiore....

http://www.sfgate.com/comics/fiore/

Where's Mike these days?? And Judi? Also miss Guido. Haven't heard much from him of late. Hope he's still around.

Ditto on all compliments, Sally....and I really like the prognosticating on this bunch of crooks. I supposed if they had played the game fairly, they might have had a major impact (more than they have, and for longer) if they weren't all disgustingly crooked at heart.

The SF Chron today had a huge interview with a financial guy from Stanford who is kind of architect/advisor to this administration (and Ahnold's)..http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/10/16/BUGU2F6GL71.DTL. He is the go to guy for the GOP....and straight down the line conservative 'line'.....pretty good read. flagrently short on solutions for the middle and lower classes...

I am so glad everyone is back here....I have not been working (htat is another story entirely)....but I am working on my own artwork, as I am taking a class in Silk Screening, and I love it....my teacher says it is a great class to prevent Alzheimers because it makes you 'think differently'....I'll say! And today I am working on an oil painting of a deceased cat for my daughter 's boss....ON A ROCK. Rock cost as much as a small canvas! Anyway, I am using oil because the last time I painted on the rock I used acrylics, and they dried up eventually and flaked off. It is SO time consuming. I also think the Mars retro has been good for me....all the energy I've been using going 'out into the world' is now being used to do something I like, instead.

Morgana, there were a number of women who passed recently (I read the obits) who seemed to be really interesting (and for one week, a good percentage of obits were for YOUNG people, who have no business dying !....) I feel for your loss.

According to Huffington Post, Russert (Pumpkinhead) is in as deep as Judy Chelabi is...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/russert-watch-let-me-cou_b_8983.html

I love some of the comments...

Oh, Judi G., so good to see you again. C'mon Bhakti!

OK, my friends. I need help with this. Pls explain--given the shipping cost--how this is happening. Tnx.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/cars-stolen-in-us-used-in-suicide-attacks/2005/10/03/1128191658703.html

I am so happy that Sally has openned the site. I was so lonely when it was not here. It is good to see all of the posts again.bjt

Karen farrout, one of the first google hits for organic horseradish root looks like a possible winner if you just need the roots right away.
http://horseradishplants.com/

Shy, re your 6:34 am post above---
once they dump off the flag-draped coffins of the fallen back over here under cover of darkness, who's to say they don't reload those transport planes with stolen cars? Just a thought....

Morgana, giant hugs coming your way.

Whoever posted the link to the horseradish. . .thank YOU! Ordered two. One to plant and one to use.

Things already heating up this morning (listening to NPR). You're right on target, Sally. The train wreck is imminent.

karen

More spam from pigi@tenbit.fr, I'm afraid......

this stuff is coming from France or someone is
using a stolen ID.

Judy Miller and the damage done
The long-awaited New York Times report uncovered an internal mess that's "bigger than Jayson Blair." And it looks even worse for Scooter Libby.

By Farhad Manjoo

Oct. 16, 2005 | During the past couple of weeks, the New York Times has been promising to eventually publish a thorough account of its reporter Judith Miller's run-in with federal prosecutors investigating the leak of CIA agent Valerie Plame's identity. On Sunday, the paper finally published that report. Unfortunately, the account, along with a personal firsthand account by Miller herself, raises more questions -- about Miller, the Times and the Bush administration's attempts to manipulate the press -- than it answers.

The paper's coverage provides a broad and intriguing outline of Miller's dealings with I. Lewis Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, and his attempts to discredit Joseph Wilson, the former ambassador who began criticizing the Bush administration's case for war in the summer of 2003.

But many details in the report are mystifying. In particular, it's unclear why the Times allowed Miller -- a reporter whose discredited work on weapons of mass destruction had recently embarrassed the paper -- to be put in charge of the Times' response to investigators looking into the Plame leak. Some revelations are astonishing: Apparently nobody at the newspaper asked to review Miller's notes in the Plame case before allowing her to defy Fitzgerald, and before the paper's management made her a high-profile symbol of press freedom in peril.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/10/16/times_miller/print.html

WV garry,
good morning the above is called "crapflooding" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crapflooding

It keeps a lot of us with websites that are more secure and less creative than we'd like...ps according to my network engineer son who specializes in security it isn't even considered (legally) to be hacking or even spamming sigh.

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?emx=x&pid=29215

Tomdispatch Interview: Juan Cole on George Bush's Iraq

[Note to Tomdispatch readers: This is the fourth in an ongoing series of interviews at the site. The first three were with Howard Zinn, James Carroll, and Cindy Sheehan. Tom]

The Treasure, the Strongbox, and the Crowbar

A Tomdispatch Interview with Juan Cole (Part 1)

The man who starts my every on-line day is standing at the door. He's small-framed with short, wavy hair and fragile-looking specs. Nattily dressed in a dark suit and tie, he apologizes, as he enters, for being so formally togged out on a Sunday morning. As it happens, I'm but a pit stop on the way to an afternoon TV interview at the PBS program Great Decisions on one of his specialties, Iran.

This is, of course, Juan Cole. His website, Informed Comment, first came on line in April 2002, almost a year before the Bush administration's invasion of Iraq. As he recalls his life back then, "I was just a Midwestern college professor. I taught my courses and wrote my articles about the Middle East. My interests were in religious institutions, religious movements, especially Shiite Islam and Sunni modernism. I knew where these movements came from. I knew the history of the Shiite clergy in Najaf back to the eighteenth century. And I had lived in the Middle East off and on for a significant period of time. When my blog began, it was little more than gardening for me, a small hobby on the side to put up a few thoughts every once in a while, initially read by fifty to a hundred people a day." Now, it is counted among the top hundred blogs at Technorati.com, a site which follows such things, and may be one of the more linked to blogs on Earth. American reporters trapped in hotels in Baghdad read it regularly for the latest news from Iraq. The secret of his success? "I type fast," he says with a sly smile. "Seventy words a minute."

More...

tinfoil hat and grain of salt time--fascinating article, regardless of veracity:

http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/UsIntellReportsMiers.htm

Dear Pat C.,
I was just reading the tomdispatch as it came into my box... Thank you so much.

Dear Sally, Although I psoted very little, i was often reading and am so happy the site is back. All gratitude to you and everyone here.

I really think the avian flu is part of a large dark design of fear. Please do not fear and stay with homeopathy. I would stay clear of these vaccines, if possible.

You are all so lovely here.

I went two weeks ago to a peace march with Thich Nhat Hanh in LA where Cindy was there too. This is what he said as we all sat for one hour in silence with him, before and after the march,

"Walking mindfully on the Earth can restore our peace and harmony, and it can restore Earth's peace and harmony as well. When we practice walking meditation beautifully, we massage Earth with our feet and plant seeds of joy and happiness with each step. Walk slowly with love and awareness on each step. Our mother will heal us and we shall heal her."

Lovely day to all,
:)

This may not be the evironmentally friendly Admin. but they sure are good at recycling.

There is already talk of who will replace Rove and Libby if they resign following indictments. Given his close ties to Cheney, Douglas Feith's replacement as Deputy Secretary of Defense for Policy and Plans Eric Edelman is rumored to be a top candidate to replace Libby as Cheney's Chief of Staff.

CIA Leakgate may be part of a larger intelligence war between the CIA and Pentagon.

Miller's status as a security cleared Defense Department embedded reporter adds to the mix of intrigue

The involvement of the Pentagon in Miller's aspect of the CIA leak matter may indicate that senior Pentagon officials have also been called before the Grand Jury. As previously reported by WMR, the Fitzgerald case has, for quite some time, dovetailed with the case by Federal prosecutor Paul McNulty against Pentagon analyst Larry Franklin and officials of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). The AIPAC case continues with other Pentagon officials, Israeli government officials, and a "senior fellow at a Washington think tank [specializing on Iran]" still under investigation. Franklin is now a cooperating witness having agreed to a plea bargain with McNulty.

The links between the White House and Pentagon neocon cells, as well as others within the U.S. government, may be what Libby referred to in his letter to Miller: "They [the aspen trees] turn in clusters, because their roots connect them."

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/
PQ

Your words and your voice are so lovely Flo C. I appreciate you and your sharing here.

Much love to you, and to the wonderful people who post here.

Walk in beauty. Find the pattern.

Flo C, thanks for posting and I completely agree with you regarding the fear. I think when and if one person gets sick in this country there will be "boots" (martial law) on the streets. They so badly want Martial Law they are chomping at the bits. I cannot decide if this is a "coup" of this country, a take over by insane people or a coup of insane people. But this country has truly tanked in 5 short years.

It has always been such a delicate balance Sally.

Another thing, where is Novak. He was one of the first to testify and he testified only once and we've heard nothing since from him. He's still writing about this administration, he is still receiving information from someone because he continues to mention "sources" The fact that Mr. Novak doesn't seem to have the problems the other journalists have, even Matt Cooper, seems odd. Unless Miller and Cooper were his sources in the beginning.

Well Garry......
Flocco was right about the Fitzgerald case! Who knows............
PQ

In God We Trust
Stars and Stripes Star Blog ~ 03 Oct 2005
by Philip Sedgwick
Why in God’s name is the United States so blessed religious? The religious tones run so strong and rich that they pervade law, legislative and judicial efforts as well as economics. Christian companies abound as do morally right conservative religious legislators. One can hardly go to a bank and cash a check without being asked, “What denomination?” Okay, that’s something different.

Consider the roots of the United States. While the official declaration of this country occurred in July 1776, according to consensus reality and the signing of the Declaration of Independence, a prenatal epoch began a century and a half before. Our forefathers and foremothers, at least as far as Anglos go, landed in Massachusetts in 1620. These forefolks, the Pilgrims, sailed to North America in search of a place where they could live under their self imposed religious laws without interference from others.

http://www.everything-astro.com/12.html

from Wonkette via Starlight News--indictments Wednesday?

http://www.wonkette.com/politics/indictments/index.php#wonkette-exclusive-fitzgerald-indictments-to-come-wednesday-131292

Some insights about this week, etc.
http://www.celestialweather.com/ftp/current.html
" As Jupiter moves forward in 2006 and makes squares with both Saturn and Neptune, we can expect prolonged struggles over social values and political power. Bare-knuckled battles…no prisoners taken. The 2006 elections in the U.S. will not be pretty."

Randi Rhodes said that the Dems can't run on an "Impeach Bush" campaign. They have to take up different causes to win votes. But the second the Democratic majority house swears in you know it will be Impeachment time! Yeah!
The cheating Neocons are, at the very least, counting on their rigged voting machines to keep running the country the way they want.
But am I justified in being paranoid and thinking that they would let loose some killer virus in key Democratic areas. [No one's found the anthyrax killers.] Then declare Marshall Law and keep the people from voting? They're so horrible and cold-blooded that it seems nothing is too low for them to do to get rid of their enemies in the US(i.e. democratic non-wealthy/non-superior-race people).

I'm here too. I'm waiting for this wonderful
thing to happen. please let me know when it does.
mimi

Here's a lot of the "backstory" on Treasongate, Judy Miller, Scooter Libby and the NYT. While we're chasing Scooter, Rove and Judy (not that we shouldn't be) planning is well under way for Iran and we've (US and British) already started bombing and creating mayhem. It's Iran every day in the NYT. They're doing it again. Anyway, follow the links. Especially the "mousetrap" theory. Sounds plausible.

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/005702.php

Torture and misery in the name of freedom

There are no more words to be said All we have left are the bombs Which burst out of our head All that is left are the bombs Which suck out the last of our blood All we have left are the bombs Which polish the skulls of the dead. The Bombs by Harold Pinter from War courtesy of Faber and Faber

By Harold Pinter
Winner of the Nobel Prize for Literature

10/14/05 "The Independent" -- -- The great poet Wilfred Owen articulated the tragedy, the horror - and indeed the pity - of war in a way no other poet has. Yet we have learnt nothing. Nearly 100 years after his death the world has become more savage, more brutal, more pitiless.

But the "free world" we are told, as embodied in the United States and Great Britain, is different to the rest of the world since our actions are dictated and sanctioned by a moral authority and a moral passion condoned by someone called God. Some people may find this difficult to comprehend but Osama Bin Laden finds it easy.

What would Wilfred Owen make of the invasion of Iraq? A bandit act, an act of blatant state terrorism, demonstrating absolute contempt for the concept of International Law. An arbitrary military action inspired by a series of lies upon lies and gross manipulation of the media and therefore of the public. An act intended to consolidate American military and economic control of the Middle East masquerading - as a last resort (all other justifications having failed to justify themselves) - as liberation. A formidable assertion of military force responsible for the death and mutilation of thousands upon thousands of innocent people.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10630.htm

Good Americans -- Democracy's Grave Diggers?

By Sheila Samples

10/17/05 "ICH" -- -- The one thing -- the only thing -- that George Bush has ever done successfully is campaign. That boy sure loves to play dress-up. He's in his element strutting around in various costumes, while smirking and blinking before carefully vetted audiences whose members sign loyalty pledges and are conditioned to cheer and wave their flags as he gives the same smoke-'em-out-and-kill-'em-all stump speech over and over. And over again.

Bush loves to talk about his bold vision and to brag about the options piled on the table, and his disciples love to hear it. Like their counterparts in 1930s Germany, these vacuous, grinning, paper-mache masses are loyal, patriotic and obedient.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10635.htm

NPR has a woman reporter named Libby Lewis and she
reports on goings on to be indicted scooter lewis
libby, so it sound funny when the main news reader
says here is Libby Lewis reportin gon the indictment of 'scooter' lewis libby!

Iraq and the Laws of War

By Francis A. Boyle
Professor of Law, University of Illinois

On 19 March 2003 President Bush Jr. commenced his criminal war against Iraq by ordering a so-called decapitation strike against the President of Iraq in violation of a 48-hour ultimatum he had given publicly to the Iraqi President and his sons to leave the country. This duplicitous behavior violated the customary international laws of war set forth in the 1907 Hague Convention on the Opening of Hostilities to which the United States is still a contracting party, as evidenced by paragraphs 20, 21, 22, and 23 of U.S. Army Field Manual 27-10 (1956)

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10621.htm

Sally,
So happy to see the site is back up. Will be glad to do whatever you require to read and post here in the future. Will you have any expenses to change the site over? Will be happy to send a donation to help and will send one anyway even if you have no aditional expenses.
bob

As I was gobbling up the Rove/Cheney/Libby news this a.m., somewhere I read that after Fitzgerald indicts, the Wilsons plan to sue Bush/Cheney in a civil action for the loss of job possible loss of life, and dangerous exposure to her they set in motion. And soon. This of course was made possible by those soulless scum-sucking vermin when they had the law about suing a sitting president changed to 'get' Clinton.
I f***ing love this! it's schadenfruede and karma and all good sh*t coming round that went around. But I don't remember where I read it!
Anybody else out there seen this?

I had not come to the understanding as yet that Ms. Miller is truly worthy professionally to receive the precious "First Ammendment Award", awarded to her this a.m. in Nevada by the Society Of Professional Journalists.
I must be missing something again!
http://www.spj.org/convention.asp

Raj: I just listened to Libby's report. Thanks as I couldn't listen yesterday. Wasn't Lewis "Scooter" Libby implicated somehow in Watergate? Seems I recall his nefarious background (like Poindexter, Kissinger, Negroponte, etc) Do you know?

Sally, could you kindly post Jack Abermoff's birthday. Somehow I must have missed it.

Nevermind my question Raj...It is "J. Gordon Liddy," that I am thinking of. It's ok though, if you are a Watergate criminal, you can do your time, and turn right around and become a conservative talk show host, as he is, and just like Chuck Colson too!

Iraq Vote under Investigation
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/101705Q.shtml
Iraqi election officials said today that they were investigating what they described as "unusually high" vote totals in 12 Shiite and Kurdish provinces, where as many as 99 percent of the voters were reported to have cast ballots in favor of Iraq's new constitution, raising the possibility that the results of Saturday's referendum could be called into question.

Gene C. Gerard | VA Seeks to Punish Iraq War Veterans
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/101705R.shtml
Last year, the VA spent $4.3 billion on PTSD disability payments, a number which it hopes to reduce this year by revoking PTSD benefits for many veterans. According to Gene Gerard, this will be the final insult to soldiers who were asked to fight a war in Iraq on false premises.

http://tabletalk.salon.com/webx?14@@.773b508c/0

JACK ABRAMOFF Former powerhouse lobbyist and public relations entrepreneur

Today was my birthday. The eclipse this morning didn't seem to affect me. (other than around 4:15 AM I was awakened from a deep sleep by a high pitched woman's frightened voice and 4 loud thumps. Thought it was Dad going off again on Mom. But,it was quiet as a tomb when I went downstairs, everyone asleep...totally weird, man).

Just a totally bland, boring workday. PPFFFT!

Happy Birthday Patricia and I must tell you that eclipses most strongly operate six months before and six months after. So you might want to look at the last six months, the house your Sun is in and see what has happened. Hope you had a better birthday evening.

I received a message from WV regarding my use of the spelling of "Capital" in the title instead of "Capitol" my hope was that someone would get it. "Capital" as in money and that's what our government is about, just money and money for just them.

Happy Birthday, Patricia. May the coming year prove to be better than the last.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY PATRICIA!

Sally, I got it.

http://phoenixwoman.blogspot.com/

Harriet Miers Is a Scofflaw

The San Francisco Chronicle reports:

The year Harriet Miers began work as a senior presidential aide in the White House, the city of Dallas slapped three liens in three months on a property she controls in a low-income minority Dallas neighborhood, records show.

The city placed the liens in 2001 to force her to reimburse it for clearing the vacant lot of tall grass, weeds and debris after Miers failed to have the work done herself, as required by city law, and after she did not respond to city notices to maintain the property.

This shows what her attitude will be toward law enforcement if she's confirmed as a Supreme Court Justice: privileged people don't have to do what they don't want to do.

No wonder Bush wants her on the bench. She thinks just like he does.

Oh, Sally, I'm so glad to see this site back.. I love to check in to see what all these wonderful minds have to say 'bout what's going on.

First things first. Happy birthday Patricia!!!

And now on to...

Relentless Saturn!

A chronological listing of transiting Saturn to
planets in the charts of some key players in
the Bush administration in summer 2006

CHENEY pPL 125d 21m tMars con Jun 8 2006
CHENEY pMars 305d 25m tMars opp Jun 8 2006
RICE nSat 221d 27m tSat sq Jun 18 2006
CHENEY pSat 42d 07m tSat sq Jun 24 2006

tMars to most points from Jun 19 thru Jul 2 2006

CHENEY nSun 313d 15m tSat opp Jul 4 2006
CHENEY precessed Sun tSat opp Jul 11 2006
BUSH nPL 134d 55m tSat con Jul 17 2006
HADLEY pPL 135d 31m tSat con Jul 22 2006
CARD nPL 135d 33m tSat con Jul 22 2006
CHENEY pJup 46d 12m tSat sq Jul 28 2006
MATALIN pSun 226d 25m tSat sq Jul 29 2006
HADLEY nPL 136d 29m tSat con Jul 30 2006
BUSH pPL 136d 44m tSat con Jul 31 2006

RICE pSat 226d 54m tSat sq Aug 2 2006
2005 INAUG Nep 317d 2m tSat opp Aug 3 2006
HADLEY nMars 317d 51m tSat opp Aug 9 2006

tSun to most points Aug 4 thru Aug 9 2006

RICE nMars 319d 16m tSat sq Aug 20 2006
ROVE pMars 353d 3m tMars opp Aug 26 2006
(Also see tPL below in RICE data)
RICE pMars 353d 47m tMars opp Aug 27 with
tPL stationary sq from Aug 30 thru Sep 12 2006
at 263d 54m
2005 INAUG PL 263d 13m, (prog 263d 16m)

I hope that I got them all. Have a headache from
switching back and forth to get the order right.

I forgot to say that all measurements are in right ascension. Useing longitude the dates will be the same or within a day or two. The largest difference in dates will come for the aspects to Pluto.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/New_York_Daily_News_to_claim_1017.html

Major article from The Great Krugman (fits right in with "Capital" Hill, too!)
http://www.topplebush.com/oped2255.shtml

Oooh! Bob just posted. Gotta go study that, too. Thnx, Bob!

Bob, bob, bob! Fantastic! Thankyou!

Fears that British forces in Iraq are reaching "breaking point" grew last night as the first hard evidence of a crisis in morale began to emerge.

Independent, Published: 18 October 2005 http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article320343.ece

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=2103982005

ID cards will lead to 'massive fraud'
The Scotsman
POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT

Key points

• Microsoft warned the scheme could generate a massive amount of ID fraud

• There may be a Commons rebellion over whether the bill should get a 3rd reading

• It is proposed the ID cards will carry 13 personal identifiers, such as iris scans and finger prints

Key quote

"Unlike other forms of information, such as credit card details, if core biometric details such as your fingerprints are compromised, it is not going to be possible to provide you with new ones," - Mr Fishenden, national technology officer for Microsoft

THE government's case for identity cards has been dealt a serious blow on the day of a crucial Commons vote after the software giant Microsoft warned that the proposals could generate "massive identity fraud" on a scale as yet unseen.

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skylurker, regarding your post on stolen cars - veeerrry interesting.
I have always felt that the 'terraists' were more akin to mafia types and that we needed more global mafia busting racketeering law enforcement rather than munitions.

Well, this is good, I suppose--but after they finish probing the Iraqi constitutional vote, can they probe the 2004 USA Presidential "Election"?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051018/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

http://www.countthevote.org/

Is this a coincidence? Besides stolen US vehicles being used in car bombings, British developed technology is also being used in Iraq bombs.

This was reported in the NZ Herald yesterday.

"bombs and the firing devices used to kill the soldiers were initially created by the British security services as part of a counter-terrorism strategy in the early 1990s."
- http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10350631

B*'s natal Mars has a right ascension of 161d 15m.

On Nov 2, 2004 (Election Day) his progressed Sun conjoined it.

On Aug 17, 2005 transiting Uranus opposed it. Maybe something to do with Cindy Sheehan?

Uranus will again oppose it on Feb 6, 2006 and it's precession corrected position on about Feb 22.

Transiting Mars will square it around Mar 14, 2006 and conjoin it Aug 6 or 7, 2006 to add to the Saturn activity during that time.

On Aug 29, 2005 his progressed Sun was at 162d 00m His progressed Neptune/Pluto midpoint was at 162d 00m also. Did he get hit by Hurricane Katrina?

Sally, I did suspect that you were playing on words regarding the financial machinery of DC. Capital humour!

http://villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat/archive/001955.php

GOP Gets Bolder. Prepare to Be Crushed

The monumental disaster of the GOP's new drive for budget cuts — you'll think you were wearing Kashmir

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/18/politics/18bartlett.html

In Sign of Conservative Split, a Commentator Is Dismissed

WASHINGTON, Oct. 17 - In the latest sign of the deepening split among conservatives over how far to go in challenging President Bush, Bruce Bartlett, a Republican commentator who has been increasingly critical of the White House, was dismissed on Monday as a senior fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis, a conservative research group based in Dallas.

In a statement, the organization said the decision was made after Mr. Bartlett supplied its president, John C. Goodman, with the manuscript of his forthcoming book, "The Impostor: How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and Betrayed the Reagan Legacy."

Mr. Bartlett, who was a domestic policy aide at the White House in the Reagan administration and a deputy assistant Treasury secretary under the first President Bush, confirmed that he had been dismissed after 10 years with the center but declined to make any further comment.

More...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/17/AR2005101701888.html

Cheney's Office Is A Focus in Leak Case
Sources Cite Role Of Feud With CIA
By Jim VandeHei and Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, October 18, 2005; Page A01

As the investigation into the leak of a CIA agent's name hurtles to an apparent conclusion, special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald has zeroed in on the role of Vice President Cheney's office, according to lawyers familiar with the case and government officials. The prosecutor has assembled evidence that suggests Cheney's long-standing tensions with the CIA contributed to the unmasking of operative Valerie Plame.

snip

One former CIA official told prosecutors early in the probe about efforts by Cheney's office and his allies at the National Security Council to obtain information about Wilson's trip as long as two months before Plame was unmasked in July 2003, according to a person familiar with the account.

It is not clear whether Fitzgerald plans to charge anyone inside the Bush administration with a crime. But with the case reaching a climax -- administration officials are braced for possible indictments as early as this week-- it is increasingly clear that Cheney and his aides have been deeply enmeshed in events surrounding the Plame affair from the outset.

More...

What a day!!! Blogosphere crackling with news that it's focused on Cheney. Did somebody mention eclipse effects?

The office of the Presidency is ruled by the 1st Inauguration of George Washington (although he was not the first president, there were 8 ahead of him, but this is the one we recognize) anyway that Inauguration was April 30, 1789, about 12:15pm in New York. This has been a good chart to track the office of the presidency and it's in trouble right now. The eclipse fell across its Mercury, certainly in the six months leading to this eclipse there has been a ton of information and missteps coming from the WH that has obviously affected the office of the President. As a side note whenever Neptune was in a fixed degree at 14,15,16,or 17 a president died. The midheaven is 15 Taurus and Neptune in a fixed sign at those degrees has been hard on the office. The progressions to this chart aren't all that good either. It will be a very tough year for this President and it would have been tough on who ever was in the office.

Yes, but Sally he's worked so hard for it. sigh The country and the people have been mugged and robbed.

We don't know what another person, Gore or Kerry, would have done or how they would have handled things. The events that have happened would have happened, and a very well placed client of mine said to me not too long ago, "haven't you noticed how not much changes no matter which side is in office?" He was not defending GWB, he was trying to get me to look at the whole picture of what's going on in Washington and on "Capital Hill" Treasonous, all of them.

Sally, this from Rocky, I hope no charges are let during a void of course Moon.

http://www.laweekly.com/rockie/

Forecast for Tuesday, October 18th, 2005 link changes weekly

If the timing is right on, today’s testy Mercury-Neptune square should reveal more data (Mercury in secretive Scorpio) about a Neptunian cover up. Just another aspect we can tack on to yesterday’s sun-moon polarity and the partial lunar eclipse. Eclipse lore maintains that loss -- of an item, a person or simply a sense that it’s happening -- is part of the eclipse experience. Keep that in mind as you go through the day, and keep an eye on your stuff. Today’s pragmatic Taurus moon encourages a down-to-earth approach and an appreciation of the five senses. As for the sixth, that depends on your relationship with Neptune. Luna goes void Wednesday morning just before 4 a.m. PDT/7 a.m. EDT with a conjunction to fiery Mars. If you’re stubborn enough, you could stay mad until the Gemini moon takes over 16 hours later

I may be a bit pollyannaish, but I have a difficult time seeing Gore as treasonous. I am not able to wrap my mind around that. If he had taken Office and had been faced with a Neocon majority Congress, perhaps he might have made deals. I don't know.

Pat C - Gore has impressed me since 2000 with some major speeches concerning the environment, the loss of our democracy, the Iraq-War debacle, you name it. I wish he would run again but I don't blame him if he doesn't, what a mess.

It's great to read your posts again and Sally's article was fascinating as always.

I read somewhere (can't remember now!) that Fitzgerald has, in the past, always announced on a Wednesday of any indictments. I don't know how true that is. So there's a strong possibility he could announce on a VOC Moon.

Again, not sure about channelled material, but here's another Matthew message--it's very positive reading, if nothing else:

http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=43&z=2

Laurie, yes, his fury and frustration is clear. He gets along with the people I like...Dean, Clark, etc...to inlude his international friends.

I think he would certainly have focused on breaking the dependency on fossil fuels, and would not have taken us to war in Iraq. I am not completely sure whether 911 would have happened or not, but even if it had, I don't think he would have gone to war with Iraq, or created Homeland Security.

Bush was probably destined to be President, witness his awesome aspects, in order to mirror the sickness that has been present in this country. Now Gore has some good aspects for 08, better than Hillary's. I wonder if he will run.

Tom Toles

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/toles_main.html?name=Toles&date=10172005

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/toles_main.html?name=Toles&date=10182005

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/toles_main.html?name=Toles&date=10162005

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/toles_sketch.html?name=Toles&date=10182005

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/17/barber-cancels-shultz/

REAKING: Barber Cancels Ed Schultz’s Debut on Armed Forces Radio
Armed Forces Radio (AFR) is a station that broadcasts to American troops overseas through “over 1,000 outlets in more than 175 countries.” It currently features an hour of programming by right-wing host Rush Limbaugh. There is no comparable progressive program.

Today, that was supposed change. Ed Schultz – the host of the most popular progressive radio show in the country — was supposed to start broadcasting on Armed Forces radio. Jones Radio, the company that syndicates The Ed Shultz Show, received an email on September 29 from an Armed Forces Radio official confirming that one hour of Schultz’s program would begin airing today, October 17.

But this morning at 6AM, the producer of the Ed Schultz show, James Holm, received a call from Pentagon communications aide Allison Barber. She told Holm that she was calling so early to let Schultz know his show would not begin airing on AFR today. You’ll remember Barber as the aide caught coaching troops before a photo-op with President Bush last week.

Barber told Holm that the Ed Schultz show would not start on AFR today because her boss, Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita, was out of the country and couldn’t approve it. Barber also said she was going out of the country soon for a week-and-a-half. Holm asked Barber if the show would begin when DiRita and Barber returned. Barber said she couldn’t guarantee that.

Here’s the really interesting part. Barber told Holm she heard Ed announced that he would begin on AFR during his show Friday. Schultz’s show Friday began with audio outtakes of Barber sounding foolish as she rehearsed the troops “Q&A session” with Bush.

Filed under: Med

Pat C,
Gore read the reports, knew about Osama, and would have had the FBI/CIA after suspecious Arabic men and arrested them BEFORE they got on a plane for NY. Also, some one here mentioned that he had a WH plan for going to the MEast for OBL. I know he would have been efficient, organized, and cost-effective as President! [Which is the opposite of what we have now!] There still would be a + in the US money AND no programs for poor/unemployed would be cut. Mainly because the Repug congress would have no excuse to cut it!
But why in the world would he (or anyone) want to be Prez in 08 after the country has been put in major debt, the world sees us as terrorists, the government is an organizational mess full of incompetents.
We need a very mentally strong, organized, brainy (and lucky) person to pull the US out the crappy pit we have been placed in over the last 5 years.

Jill, yes, all true, and yes indeed we do. I'm sure he's in the mood to kick some butt and take some names. I have no doubt about that. It certainly pleases me, and I want to see it happen on an executive level.

Whoever takes Office needs friends who are good and fair, and those friends must be powerful...from a universal level on down. The US has been in the position to help the world. Sad.

http://salon.com/news/feature/2005/10/18/tularemia/print.html

Biological alarm in Washington
Did terrorists attack Washington with a deadly pathogen?

Which terrorists?

From Jo on Salon:

"... Cheney may be target of probe

BY JAMES GORDON MEEK, THOMAS M. DeFRANK and KENNETH R. BAZINET DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

WASHINGTON - A special prosecutor's intensifying focus into who outed a CIA spy has raised questions whether Vice President Cheney himself is involved, knowledgeable sources confirmed yesterday. At least one source and one reporter who have testified in the probe said U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald is pursuing Cheney's role in the Valerie Plame affair.

In addition, at least six current and former Cheney staffers - most members of the White House Iraq Group - have testified before the grand jury, including the vice president's top honcho, Lewis (Scooter) Libby, and two top Cheney national security lieutenants.

Cheney's name has come up amid indications Fitzgerald may be edging closer to a blockbuster conspiracy charge - with help from a secret snitch.

"They have got a senior cooperating witness - someone who is giving them all of that," a source who has been questioned in the leak probe told the Daily News yesterday.

Cheney was questioned last year byprosecutors and has hired a private attorney, former colleague Terrence O'Donnell, who declined to comment when contacted by The News."

http://nydailynews.com/front/story/356858p-304125c.html

Cheney's attorney is Terrence O'Donnell , a partner of the Williams and Connolly law firm. O'Donnell worked for then White House chief of staff Cheney in the Ford administration and as General Counsel for the Pentagon when Cheney was Defense Secretary under the first President Bush. He has been representing the Vice President in criminal and civil cases involving Cheney's chairmanship of Halliburton. These include a Justice Department investigation of Halliburton for alleged payment of bribes to Nigerian political leaders and a stockholders' fraud law suit against Halliburton. O'Donnell also represented former CIA director John Deutch when he was accused of violating national security by taking his CIA computer home and surfing the Internet while it contained hundreds of highly-classified intelligence documents.

Links within text

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2005_10/007358.php

CHENEY AND PLAME....Today's Washington Post story about Dick Cheney being a target of the Valerie Plame probe turns out to have no actual new information about Cheney being a target of the Valerie Plame probe. In fact, it quotes a former Cheney aide saying that "it is 'implausible' that Cheney himself was involved in the leaking of Plame's name because he rarely, if ever, involved himself in press strategy."

However, if you're still holding out hope that Cheney is a target, Stephen Bainbridge confirms that both Democrats and Republicans agree that a sitting vice president can be indicted on criminal charges. Only the president is immune to criminal indictments. And of course, both president and vice president are vulnerable to civil suits, as the Supreme Court helpfully reminded us in the case of Clinton v. Jones. Joe Wilson says he and his wife may be taking advantage of that once Patrick Fitzgerald wraps up the criminal stuff.

And when might that be? The Post article isn't very helpful on the Cheney front, but it does include this tidbit about timing:

In a move people involved in the case read as a sign that the end is near, Fitzgerald's spokesman yesterday told the Associated Press that the prosecutor planned to announce his conclusions in Washington, where the grand jury has been meeting, instead of Chicago, where the prosecutor is based. Some lawyers close to the case cited courthouse talk that Fitzgerald might announce his findings as early as tomorrow, though hard evidence about his intentions and timing remained elusive.

Since the story is dated Tuesday, "tomorrow" refers to Wednesday. Stay tuned.

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/generic/VP_Spiro_Agnew.htm

Spiro T. Agnew, 39th Vice President (1969-1973)

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Both of the Baltimore tunnels have been shut down because of an unspecified threat. This should snarl all the mid atlantic traffic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Matalin

Mary Joe Matalin (born September 19, 1953) is an American political strategist and consultant of Croatian origin. She is known for her work with the Republican Party. She was an assistant to George W. Bush and counselor to vice president Dick Cheney.

Matalin, a colleague of Karl Rove, worked for Vice President Dick Cheney in the White House. She attended meetings of the White House Iraq Group, a secretive internal White House task force convened in August 2002 (nine months before the 2003 Invasion of Iraq). WHIG was charged with the task of educating the US public about the threat from Saddam Hussein's purported weapons of mass destruction.

Matalin resigned her responsibilities as of 31 December 2002.[1] Although Matalin left the White House more than six months before the leak that triggered the Valerie Plame scandal, she is reported to have testified before the grand jury of Independent Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald. (Notes and records of WHIG meetings were subpoenaed by Fitzgerald in January 2004.)

.......

Does anyone have her place and time of birth?

Helloooooo?

Excerpt lifted from post at Moon of Alabama/Billmon:

"... Think of it like baseball: the OSP pitched, and WHIG caught. The OSP was on no government payroll and suffered no Congressional oversight. Their tainted information and interpretations overtopped the Iraq data being provided by the State Department and CIA. The OSP was able to accomplish this thanks to devoted patronage from high-ranking members of the administration, most prominently Vice-President Cheney.
Justin Raimondo and others have been saying all along that Plamegate is connected to the Franklin/AIPAC spy case. It was the OSP, for which Franklin worked, that provided some of the "intel" that WHIG used to hype it's war. It is probably asking for too much that Fitz will be able to link them in court. Rivers continues:

Two questions remain: why would the administration take such a fantastic risk in attacking Wilson, and where are Bush's fingerprints on this thing? Both questions can be answered by another tidbit that has fallen down the memory hole. On May 22nd, 2003, two months after the invasion of Iraq, George W. Bush signed an Executive Order titled "Protecting the Development Fund for Iraq and Certain Other Property in Which Iraq Has An Interest."
The so-called "Development Fund for Iraq" was, by the way, one of the most grandiose money-laundering schemes ever devised. All of the profits made from plundering Iraq's oil were to go into this fund, ostensibly for use by the Iraqi people. In fact, this was the clearing-house for payouts to companies like Halliburton and its subsidiary, Kellog Brown & Root.

It is easy to bury ourselves in the minutae of the Plame scandal (who said what and when to whom, lie vs inaccurate memory, etc) and forget the bigger picture. Whatever crime was committed in this affair is part of a much larger crime that will most likely go unpunished. I'm all for convicting all of these people, but whatever Fitz gets them for legally will be comparable to Al Capone's conviction for income tax evasion: he did a hell of a lot worse than avoid paying taxes but that was all that could be proved in court. My guess is Fitz understands that but wants to give them as much of what they really deserve as he can.

Posted by: lonesomeG | Oct 18, 2005 9:43:54 AM | #

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2005/10/plame_thread_v.html#comments

Please enlighten me. If indictments are issued, what time is to be used? The time the Grand Jury takes their final vote on them? The time the Special Prosecutor forwards them with recommendations to Torturo (or whomever he forwards them to) and that official accepts them? The time the letters to the lawyers are released? The time of the press conference announcing their release? Etc.

Darn good question Shy. There have been so many signatures, testimonies taken already. Where to pinpont? I surely don't want him to announce anything during a VOC. So much of what the losing Democrats did was done on a VOC.

Oh be still my happy heart!

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Cheney_aide_cooperating_with_CIA_outing_1018.html

Cheney aide cooperating with CIA outing probe, sources say

A senior aide to Vice President Dick Cheney is cooperating with special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald in the outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson, sources close to the investigation say.

Individuals familiar with Fitzgerald’s case tell RAW STORY that John Hannah, a senior national security aide on loan to Vice President Dick Cheney from the offices of then-Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Affairs, John Bolton, was named as a target of Fitzgerald’s probe. They say he was told in recent weeks that he could face imminent indictment for his role in leaking Plame-Wilson’s name to reporters unless he cooperated with the investigation.

More...

...and Newt too

http://www.thinkprogress.org/leak-scandal

Well sorry for the serial posts. I guess I'm the only one here today.

Correction on the last link

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3660169/

PatC,
You are not alone! Your posts are read & appreciated. Finally a lull in the library demands!
Interesting trivia...............Peter Pace's first soldier under his command, KIA (vietnam)
was named Guido. COuld that be Mike's Guido????????????
PQ

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/051018/18whwatch.htm

White House Watch: Cheney resignation rumors fly

The Mindless American: A Tragedy In The Making

by Doug Soderstrom

In Hitler's Germany there was a determined effort to brainwash the people so they might support Mein Fuhrer's efforts to conquer the world. However, what if one were to suggest that much the same is occurring in the United States of America, that there has been a determined effort through the socializing influence of our schools, the government, the mass media, the churches we attend, even that of our own parents, to pressure us into believing (just as Hitler) that our country has received the blessing of God.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10653.htm

Money for Nothing

Billions of dollars have disappeared, gone to bribe Iraqis and line contractors' pockets.

By Philip Giraldi

When the final page is written on America's catastrophic imperial venture, one word will dominate the explanation of U.S. failure-corruption.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10659.htm

Are we going to war with Iran?

By Dan Plesch

The US army and marines are heavily committed in Iraq, but soldiers could be found if the Bush administration were intent on invasion. Donald Rumsfeld has been reorganising the army to increase front-line forces by a third. More importantly, naval and air force firepower has barely been used in Iraq. Just 120 B52 and stealth bombers could target 5,000 points in Iran with satellite-guided bombs in just one mission. It is for this reason that John Pike of globalsecurity.org thinks that a US attack could come with no warning at all.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10651.htm

Shylurker: I can't help your question with anything factual, but I would suspect that the inception for indictment/s authority would become official at the signature/s to the legal document.
I think what would be more telling is to look at the issue through a chart drawn for when the case was taken up two years ago. It would perhaps give an indication to the outcome. I mentioned this a few weeks ago but didn't peek any interest in it.

Shylurker, I would probably use the time that the no bill or indictment is announced to the public. Being spoken aloud to the universe is the actual birth. Everything leading up to it is just labor pains.

Cronyism is as American as apple pie. But this time George Bush has gone too far

Get article background

THERE are few things quite as hypocritical as American politicians hurling accusations of cronyism. The Democrats are lambasting George Bush about his weakness for promoting people such as Michael Brown, the horseman turned emergency-agency chief. But does anybody seriously believe that a Democratic president wouldn't appoint cronies of his or her own? And it works the other way as well. The White House is currently defending Harriet Miers as “exceptionally well-suited” for a job on the Supreme Court. But does anybody seriously believe that the Republicans wouldn't have been up in arms if Bill Clinton had tried to put his personal lawyer on the Supreme Court?

http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=5021264

A group of researchers attempts to estimate the economic benefits of vaccination

WHAT good is vaccination? Obviously it is good for the person receiving the vaccine, if he is thus prevented from suffering from a nasty disease. More subtly, it can be good for an entire population since, if enough of its members are vaccinated, even those who are not will receive a measure of protection. That is because, with only a few susceptible individuals, the transmission of the infection cannot be maintained and the disease spread. But in the case of many vaccines, there are non-medical benefits, too, in the form of costs avoided and the generation of income that would otherwise have been lost. These goods are economic.

Quantifying these more general benefits is hard. But a pair of researchers from Harvard University has just tried. David Bloom and David Canning, together with Mark Weston, an independent policy consultant, have looked at two vaccination programmes and attempted to calculate the wider benefits. Their conclusions have just been published in World Economics.

http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=5017166

Judy Miller's Reporting: A Cancer on the New York Times?

by Arianna Huffington

Signs of trouble and Judy Miller were like Mary and her little lamb. Everywhere that Judy went, a flashing warning sign was sure to follow.

Indeed, in looking back on her career, it's clear that there were more red flags popping up around Judy Miller's work as a journalist than at a May Day parade in Red Square.

We now know that Miller's bosses were being warned about serious credibility problems with her reporting as far back as 2000 -- a warning that came from a Pulitzer Prize-winning colleague of Miller who was so disturbed by her journalistic methods he took the extraordinary step of writing a warning memo to his editors and then asked that his byline not appear on an article they had both worked on.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1018-28.htm

Published on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 by Robert Scheer

New York Times' Misguided Crusade
by Robert Scheer

Media corporations are arguably the most important yet least examined centers of power in our society. The owners of the Fourth Estate have a unique ability to direct the searchlight of inquiry upon others while remaining powerfully positioned to deflect it from themselves.

That is the blunt message of the belated but devastating report in Sunday's New York Times on how the paper turned reporter Judith Miller's "case into a cause." In its zeal to present its own discredited reporter as a 1st Amendment hero, the "paper of record" badly neutered its news department's coverage of the Miller saga and deployed its editorial page as a battering ram in her defense, publishing 15 editorials supporting Miller's protection of her White House source.

"The Times . . . limited its own ability to cover aspects of one of the biggest scandals of the day," concluded the front-page article. "Even as the paper asked for the public's support, it was unable to answer its questions."

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1018-26.htm

LA Times takes on NY Times

EDITORIALS
Source of frustration

October 18, 2005

JUDITH MILLER IS OUT OF PRISON, no longer a martyr to the 1st Amendment, and on Sunday she broke her long public silence with a first-person account in the newspaper she works for, the New York Times. But it's becoming increasingly clear that she and her employer have abused the public's trust by manufacturing a showdown with the government.

The newspaper once claimed that Miller's willingness to go to jail rather than talk to the grand jury in the inquiry into the leak of CIA agent Valerie Plame's identity was a badge of honor. Yet journalists from other news outlets appeared before the grand jury after receiving waivers releasing them from the promise of anonymity they had offered their sources. The Times alone insisted that such waivers were not enough and that it alone would stand up to an overreaching prosecutor.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-miller18oct18,0,5472110,print.story?coll=la-news-comment-editorials

Thanks for that one wv. Battle of the Goliaths.

"Building like maniacs"

Israel is redrawing its borders inside Palestinian territories to secure all of Jerusalem and put the issue beyond negotiation.
By Chris McGreal

Oct. 18, 2005 | At the northern edge of Jerusalem, on the main road to the Palestinian city of Ramallah, three towering concrete walls are converging around a rapidly built maze of cages, turnstiles and bombproof rooms.

When construction at Qalandiya is completed in the coming weeks, the remaining gaps in the 26-foot (eight-meter) walls will close and those still permitted to travel between the two cities will be channeled through a warren of identity and security checks reminiscent of an international frontier.

The Israeli military built the crossing without fanfare over recent months, along with other similar posts along the length of the vast new "security barrier" that is enveloping Jerusalem, while the world's attention was focused on Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's removal of Jewish settlers from the Gaza Strip.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/10/18/israel_barrier/print.html

While TV pundits repeat the mantra that Fitzgerald might not indict anyone, here is the first semi-sourced report that Fitzgerald will indict:

A New Tidbit on the Plame Affair
by Larry C. Johnson
Had lunch today with a person who has a direct tie to one of the folks facing indictment in the Plame affair. There are 22 files that Fitzgerald is looking at for potential indictment. These include Stephen Hadley, Karl Rove, Lewis Libby, Dick Cheney, and Mary Matalin (there are others of course). Hadley has told friends he expects to be indicted. No wonder folks are nervous at the White House.
Larry C. Johnson, of course, is the former CIA agent who started his career with Valerie Plame and has been her most prominent defender on TV in recent months.
Internet sleuths will want to know (a) who he had lunch with and (b) did his lunch companion hear Hadley's report directly or through a third party?
Even so, Johnson is a straight shooter and is presumably as close to this investigation as anyone outside Fitzgerald's office..

http://www.democrats.com/node/6523

The Senate voted almost unanimously to pass up COL raises this year. Those who voted FOR the raise:
Bingaman D NM
Bond R MO
Inuye D HI
Jeffords I VT
Lugar R IN
Sarbanes D MD
___________Remember these names!!!!! 3 DEMS! 2REPS & the independant!
Not Voting
Chambliss R GA
Corzine D NJ

Rep Hayes SC will propose legislation to the House to CUT income by 5% beginning 2007. Bets on his getting it passed?????
PQ

Sorry......
Rep Hayes of NORTH CAROLINA!!!!!!!!!
It was in the Myrtle Beach paper!
PQ

There is really nothing simpler than spending all the money in order not to have to spend money on things the conservatives don't like...start a war, drain the gov't, cancel welfare and soc. sec.....what could be simpler? then send the military out to keep order while biological terrorist tactics are used on citizens....pretty picture, I'd say?

I really wonder if Fitz can really stay the course on this....

The latest is BAD NEWS for the cons rogue rove, scooter libby and cheny who may/will have to resign after indictment.One more proof that he
is/was running the theft govt. and shrub was just a figurehead/puppet. Possible replacement for cheny could be one of shrub's many female pets-
cunty rice.

I found a mistake in the listings I provided yesterday. Instead of transiting Saturn square Rice's Mars on Aug 20 2006 it should read opposition.

As I look at these charts I do not think much will come of Fitzgerald's efforts at this time (even though Saturn will conjoin Cheney's natal Sun on the 27th), but as Sally said about Abramoff's body blow coming in March or April of 2006, I think that is when things will really heat up for this bunch, building (as Saturn conjoins Cheney's Sun for the final time on June 5) with the finale coming in August or September.

It is the August through early September period that I am in fear for the U.S. and the world.

bob

bob, what is it you see then?

I have spent so many years looking at my own charts (after the first Bush fiasco seemed to dovetail with my difficult chart 1990-1993) that I am sort of....well.....blase' a little.

Are we the proverbial frog in the hot pot?

Time for a humor break! Do join our busy-busy-busy man who has put some nice new ones up on his site:
http://www.busybusybusy.com/

Wow, there's so much going on to get caught up on. Great posts!

Patricia, Beasley, Jill G - It seems we are all on the same wavelength! Looks like our dreams may be coming true in the next few weeks for the Fiendco and Friends.

12:22 is appearing more and more....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20051017/sc_space/smallgalaxypunchesholeinandromeda

Small Galaxy Punches Hole In Andromeda

Godchecker - Your Guide To The Gods

http://www.godchecker.com/

The above not intended to insult anyone's personal god. :-)

learn more about Patrick Fitzgerald in this short piece(the more I read about him, the more I like him):

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/356835p-303999c.html

Hurrican Wilma now a category 5. The Florida Keys are being evacuated.

http://www.madcowprod.com/06202005.html

The Secret World of Jack Abramoff:
Terrorists, Torpedoes & Reoublican "Muscle"

by Daniel Hopsicker

The MadCowMorningNews has learned exclusive new details about the gangland-style hit in Florida of Gus Boulis, whose murder figures prominently in lobbyist Jack Abramoff's rise to power.

The 'secret world' of Jack Abramoff being probed by investigators today has definite connections and unmistakable links to the one inhabited during their final year in the U.S by Mohamed Atta and the other hijackers.

So as the scandal embroiling House Major Domo Tom Delay and Republican lobbyist Jack Abramoff grows hotter, there may be new revelations about the 9.11 attack.

One of the most amazing thing about this most amazing scandal-hundreds of millions in slush funds beats Oval Office blowjobs by a mile-is that some of the same names in the Abramoff scandal also surface in connection with Mohamed Atta's.

Less than a week before the 9.11 attack, for example, Atta and several other hijackers made a still-unexplained visit onboard one of Abramoff's casino boats.

What were they doing there? No one knows.

Wrestling with alligators

There remains a strong suspicion that Atta's terrorist cadre-supposedly unknown and friendless and burrowing into the woodwork-was able to call on the assistance, when necessary, of a friendly global network.

Could it be that this network is the same one being probed so gingerly today by investigators looking into Jack Abramoff?

More...

October 19, 2005
No Final Report Seen in Inquiry on C.I.A. Leak

By DAVID JOHNSTON
and RICHARD W. STEVENSON

WASHINGTON, Oct. 18 - The special counsel in the C.I.A. leak case has told associates he has no plans to issue a final report about the results of the investigation, heightening the expectation that he intends to bring indictments, lawyers in the case and law enforcement officials said yesterday.

The prosecutor, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, is not expected to take any action in the case this week, government officials said. A spokesman for Mr. Fitzgerald, Randall Samborn, declined to comment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/19/politics/19leak.html?ei=5065&en=0e57747b579626c9&ex=1130385600&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print

New York Daily News - http://www.nydailynews.com

Bush whacked
Rove on CIA leak

BY THOMAS M. DeFRANK
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF
Wednesday, October 19th, 2005

WASHINGTON - An angry President Bush rebuked chief political guru Karl Rove two years ago for his role in the Valerie Plame affair, sources told the Daily News.
"He made his displeasure known to Karl," a presidential counselor told The News. "He made his life miserable about this."

Bush has nevertheless remained doggedly loyal to Rove, who friends and even political adversaries acknowledge is the architect of the President's rise from baseball owner to leader of the free world.

As special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald nears a decision, perhaps as early as today, on whether to issue indictments in his two-year probe, Bush has already circled the wagons around Rove, whose departure would be a grievous blow to an already shell-shocked White House staff and a President in deep political trouble.

Asked if he believed indictments were forthcoming, a key Bush official said he did not know, then added: "I'm very concerned it could go very, very badly."

"Karl is fighting for his life," the official added, "but anything he did was done to help George W. Bush. The President knows that and appreciates that."

Other sources confirmed, however, that Bush was initially furious with Rove in 2003 when his deputy chief of staff conceded he had talked to the press about the Plame leak.

http://nydailynews.com/front/v-pfriendly/story/357107p-304312c.html

Bird flu sparking human epidemic is 'science fiction': Spain

Oct 19 11:09 AM US/Eastern
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Spain's agriculture minister dismissed fears bird flu sparking a global epidemic among humans as "science fiction", saying the virus currently only poses a threat to birds.

"The idea of a pandemic among humans is something from science fiction," Spanish Agricultural Minister Elena Espinosa said on the private radio station Cadena Ser, as Europe braced for the further spread of the H5N1 strain of the bird flu, which has killed 60 people in Asia during the past three years.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/10/19/051019150912.ke81exhc.html

Pat C....I had a psychometry reading 2 weekends ago, and the reader said I had something to do with the goddess Bast, daughter of Ra and keeper of fire, and the temple of Bast, which kept cats ...which were mummified after death to join Bast....she was the cat headed goddess. The reader may have been influenced by the fact that one of her adopted cats came up to me, stared at me, and when I sat down, got up and sat next to me and purred. She said the cat NEVER goes near anyone....I've always had a real easy relationship with cats. The two ferals I'm feeding are taming up...the male is now sleeping on my bed and doesn't run away. The female is touring the joint, but still runs away. The racoon keeps trying to join them....

Seriously, other things going on which aren't getting attention.....the 'bipartisan' (Ha, I doubt it) team putting new tax rules and changes into the tax code....and eliminating the mortgage deduction and state tax deduction from the federal tax code could devastate the blue states, where properties cost so much more. My daughter struggles to pay the property taxes ($6000 a year, and that is about the median price in SF bay area, where most properties now are $800K to well over a million, some just 2 bed 1 baths in good communities) as well as the mortgage payments, and they can't make it just on her husband's salary. If put into place, eliminating the mortgage deduction will put a final blow to middle class home ownership. It will devastate the mortgage industry....3 more years of republican rule, and we will be back to no middle class at all....bye bye, miss american pie....and having suffered the loss of MY home under the tax law changes of 1986, which precipitated the S&L crisis, I see the black hearts of people in Congress thinking that they can make wholesale changes to current rules when people have formed their financial futures based on existing rules....it will be devastating.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1594599,00.html?gusrc=rss

Hurricane Katrina not only destroyed New Orleans, but also laid bare the
ugly truth about America's racial divide. Former MP Oona King set out on
a personal journey through the southern states to see what has changed
since her black father was forced to flee the US

Tuesday October 18, 2005
The Guardian

The last time I visited New Orleans I was a student travelling around
America. It was the first time in my life that I was physically thrown
out of somewhere for being black. "We don't have niggers like you here!"
yelled the manager of a scummy youth hostel before throwing my
belongings out of a first-floor window, scattering them over the street.
I vividly remember sitting on that New Orleans pavement, eaten up with
rage, wondering where I would sleep that night, and how long it would
take to become mad or violent if you faced ingrained racism everyday.
Hurricane Katrina showed us what happened to African-Americans in New
Orleans who faced ingrained racism every day: they found themselves with
the poorest-quality housing on the lowest, most treacherous land, and
when catastrophe struck, they were left to rot.

Last month, I went back to the Big Easy. I wanted to see if it was
really the case that the colour of your skin could determine your chance
of surviving a catastrophic incident such as Hurricane Katrina. I had
been warned that, post-Katrina, New Orleans had become like Haiti with
skyscrapers. I drove along a freeway scattered with speedboats. The
natural order of things had been turned upside down - together with palm
trees, cars, bridges, even houses.
In the midst of the seventh ward, I came across three men sitting
outside a bar listening to Stevie Wonder. A boat on the pavement blocked
the entrance. A statuesque black man in his 60s, Alonzo Dawson, was
cooking meat on a barbecue. Both his Latino friends, Rollin Garcia Sr
and Gary Ker, had a beer and a gun to hand. It was like a sci-fi film in
which they were the only ones left. I asked Alonzo what his worst
experience was. "Looking out of my back window and seeing a dog eating a
dead human body," he said. They had seen Federal Emergency Management
Agency trucks arrive to deliver food to the white areas, they said,
while most of the needy, who were black, didn't get help until some days
later.
More...

Judi, I have the same kind of relationship with cats...dogs too. I also have a kindred spirit with birds. All of this is the light of my life. I know they feel who you are, and want to share space with you. It's lovely.

Hurricane Wilma has become a category 5 and is heading once again toward Florida. Horrible. Hurricane Fitzgerald is apparently a category 6 and is headed straight toward the black hearts of Washington. Wonderful! I await the outcome with some hope.

Miers hearings are set for first week in November...Mars still retro then....what do we have to look forward to with this?

and this is the URL to the mortgage interest article..http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/10/19/MNG3NFAOEP1.DTL

the dismantling of american pie continues....

We will be dealing with the results of this dismantling for the next 60 years, I'd bet....

More than that, where is Joanna Oregon?

Nov. 7 is the Miers hearing....from Raw Story.

Actually they are sharing more than just space with you Judi. They know so much of the unseen that is.

Pat, yes, dogs also.....but I am scared of horses.

The Wilma hurricane will really put an end to this administration if the 'cane maintains its strength. Because FEMA sure as shootin isn't going to handle it any better.

Hmmmm . . . thought this was interesting!

REGARDING RUMORS of the possible resignation of Dick Cheney, I have this to add to the discussion. When Spiro Agnew became the second vice president in US history to resign from office, on Oct. 10, 1973, Mars was retrograde in Taurus. This occurred less than one year prior to the resignation of Richard M. Nixon. This does not guarantee anything -- but it's a very interesting synchronicity that the discussion is even happening at all; it could be a kind of echo effect, since Mars has not been retrograde in Taurus since that time.

(From Eric Frances, Planetwaves)

anyone else thinking like me? that they're ratcheting up the strength of Wilma to cause more devastation, drown out the Plame news AND advance their martial law agenda? All too convenient if yuo ask me....

Garry, it certainly would NOT surprise me!!

I also forgot to mention that a respected financial columnist wrote his column in today's SF Chron with the title "Health Insurance Imploding"
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/10/19/BUG26FADJS1.DTL&type=business

http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2005/10/18/dad18.htm

Student ad triggers debate
Some say Warwick High sophomore's ad 'undercuts the military'

Warwick – If creating a buzz is rule No. 1 in advertising, then an anonymous Warwick Valley High School sophomore has a bright future.

Set on a backdrop of neat rows of tombstones, a full-page ad in October's The Survey, Warwick Valley High School's monthly student-run newspaper, reads:

"You can't be all that you can be if you're dead. There are other ways to serve your country. There are other ways to get money for college. There are other ways to be all you can be.

THINK ABOUT IT. Before you sign your life away."

The ad was created and paid for by a Warwick student who is a member of the Bruderhof community, a Christian-based communal order in Sugar Loaf that preaches pacifism. And since appearing last week, the ad has sparked controversy in the school district and the community and provoked lively First Amendment debates among students and teachers in the classroom.

The ad was approved by the school's journalism teacher and faculty adviser for The Survey, Denise Markt, and Randy Barbarash, the school's principal.

I saw WV's post upthread on going to war with Iran but didn't read it....as I had gotten an email from a friend in MI who reported on the return of a young man from his area (he is Native American from upper MI)...so I will quote from that email :
(I am removing his last name, which strangely enough, is the same as mine! - Judi Gemini.)
I had breakfast with CAPT Lucas XXXX, USMC, and his sufficient other this morning.

He got his Capt's promotion a couple of months ago. he said he will have to go back to Iraq for a 7 month tour, and he will continue doing the job, that he is still in, communications.

I suggested to him that I knew he had worked with the CIA, and he denied it, saying he knew of some in special forces in Iraq, but they have their own Intel and Comm.

He did say, that the USA has lost the Intelligence gathering capability in Iraq, the insurgents have cause so much fear in the Iraqi's, that they simply fear for their life.........

I asked him putting POLITICS ASIDE, do you support this war ?..He said he does, that w/o a democracy in the middle east, IRAN WILL RULE THAT PART OF THE WORLD...........and he said IRAN is real the real guy over there................he said a democracy in the middle east will never be perfect and a lot different than our version, but w/o one, we will remain a WORLD APART...

Judi G., remember that Ho Ho tried during his campaign to address the issue of health care costs and how fundamental change in approach is necessary for the entire nation's health. The "health insurance" companies are constantly trying to figure out how to wring more profit out of their creations. Fewer and fewer people can afford "health insurance" so they are delaying care, dying from delayed care, or turning up on government footsteps (and guess who pays for the government-provided care?). And with every additional dollar we pay into this mess, the less we have to spend on everything else (including, as you mentioned, property taxes) and on and on. Disgusting.

Outside of Josh Marshall who also links to the DeFrank article, I haven't seen anyone mentioning that Bush was either actively involved or at the very least complicit in keeping the leak quiet from the very beginning. Wasn't it a coverup that sunk Nixon?

I almost feel sorry for Scottie McClellan. The WH press corps ran him over the coals again today. Surely he realizes that his credibility is long gone. For his own sake, he should resign. He has become a caricature.

Now HERE is something you all need to read! Thought you lived in a free country....Nuh UH! this smacks of the Soviets...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/10/19/MNG7PFAM3F1.DTL&hw=yellow+dots&sn=001&sc=1000

Washington -- It sounds like a conspiracy theory, but it isn't. The pages coming out of your color printer may contain hidden information that could be used to track you down if you ever cross the U.S. government.

Teresa-
I don't feel sorry for li'l Scotty at all. I'm just amazed at how he can repeat the same tired lies over and over again with a straight face.

It's a small consolation, but still good to see the press corps slightly rabid in those WH "briefings"...we have to get our laughs wherever we can these days.....

Teresa, I read this morning that Bush had been furious with Rove over Plame reveal...it is possible that 1) he really didn't have anything to do with the leak or 2) he's furious with Rove for the leak because it compromises his position. In either case, he is definitely standing behind Rove ANYWAY.

Shylurker, I'm one of those 45 million plus people with no health insurance....

Some of this is US, not them....I have read that the patient demand for the best and most expensive and ALL testing has driven costs thru the roof.

The problem is still one of inequality....some people can afford to have equality and others are priced out of the market. In fact, there was a story over the weekend about couples in the Bay Area who make 70K or more and can't afford to live....(which is my daughter's case, and they make more than that). But think about it....the higher the housing costs, the higher everything else costs......the median price of a house here is $626 K now.....and good luck finding anything but a condo at that price. So that means that it will be almost $900/mo (on top of $500/mo in state property taxes) for her to put her 2 children in preschool for 2 days a week....so that she can work, and I take care of them one other day....gas is 3.19/gal for reg.....food is even higher. But it is such a wealthy area, that the climb keeps on. It is actually better to rent here than buy...

I'm in the public sector, Judi G., and I can assure you that the people seeking care from us are seeking decent basic care--desperately. The insurance industry sets the benefits for people who belong to their plans, and the poor have to accept what we providers of last resort have available. So, those who are demanding the latest and most expensive tests and treatment, I presume, are those who can pay for it themselves. Nice of them to take that situation and turn it around and accuse us of being the reason health care costs are so high. The reason is the profiteering industrywide (from insurance to Big Pharma to big hospital/health care corporations and so on).

Shylurker, yes, that is what I meant....and as for the corporations....well, Bill Frist is one of the biggest of the abusers in that area! You definitely nailed the scene.

I have an MSA....with a paltry amount in it. That was from the time when I had health insurance, before I turned 60, when premiums tripled and my career imploded (again). I remember when a rep from the company called about the changes going on with the MSAs (I think they are now HSAs, another place for wealth to be deposited tax free) and she whispered to me: Congress is going to bankrupt the country with these HSAs ....

Hooray!!!!
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/10/19/national/w112706D64.DTL
Arrest warrant issued for Tom DeLay in money laundering.....Hooray!!!

Laurie, I read the Planet Waves article on Mars and Mars retrograde in Taurus...really interesting stuff....old practical Taurus gets its chance to activate during these periods. I really remember 1973 when the Watergate fiasco was happening....(and in Phoenix, where I lived, car bombings were going on.... reporter's cars....one R & G reporter was the victim... Don Bolles had a limb amputated every few days until there was nothing left to amputate and he died....he was reporting on the local mafia connections to land fraud in Phx, while the local mobster brothers Bonnano were on were on trial in San Jose, really, quite a triple threat drama going on simultaneously).

Now we have DeLay ordered to be booked, and indictments coming down on the whitehousegang. This is going to be more than just one pound of flesh being demanded....I can only hope that Mars retro stymies the Miers nomination also. Or that if she is confirmed, she turns out to be a Souter rather than a Thomas.

Here's the guide to decode your own printers dots:

http://www.eff.org/Privacy/printers/docucolor/

Yes, Garry, I think like you do....as the hurricane HAS TWO EYES! Just heard on 2:00pm NPR hourly news. It's unheard of.

Democratic Representive from Tennesse talked on C-Span about our looming 8 trillion dollar deficit, most of which is being borrowed from China. What will happen if they demand money that we don't have?

Oh Judi! What nice political news! about DeLay.

Pat C, what I haven't figured out is if it is only laser printers (copiers) or ink jet also (I don't have a laser). So far, it appears to be just the lasers....

I heard that DeLay's trial will not start until Jan. 1 (don't know if that is correct) but if the trial begins Jan. 1 or ends by March, I think Tom will be gone. Uranus will conjunct his Venus which rules his 12th house and the 12 rules, among other things "incarceration. He also is having his 2nd Saturn return and Saturn will be going back and forth over his Pluto and Incon. his Venus. Ouch, ouch.

Judi, I gleaned this from the article.

"It's unclear whether the yellow-dot codes have ever been used to make an arrest. And no one would say how long the codes have been in use. But Seth Schoen, the EFF technologist who led the organization's research, said he had seen the coding on documents produced by printers that were at least 10 years old."

I'm not techy, so I don't know if that could also include ink jet printers.

..........

Sally, WOW! Those are serious aspects.

And Pat C, Sally, it couldn't happen to a "nicer" guy, could it?....

schadenfreude, indeed......

If only we could get those illegally gotten house seats back which would have more than likely stayed the way they were had not the fraudulent redistriting taken place with laundered money. I pronounced him guilty a long time ago.

Well, I'm still on Delay. Seems he received a $5,000.00 check from Walmart on 9-30-05 two days after he was indicted. Morals and ethics were never Walmart's strong suit anyway...Mr. Delay can use the money to pay one half of his bail fee of $10,000.00.
Did you folks know that Walmart wants to become our one and only banker? Yes, they are going to get into that now and run all the small town banks, and the large ones too, out of business. So those layed off bank clerks/managers can go to Walmart for a new job and make $6.00 an hour.We can get loans from them now too,to spend in their stores. So simple for all.

Film makers Birnbaum & Schermbeck completed a movie in August titled "The Big Buy". They followed the TRMPAC stories, etc. and have produced a documentary about it. Sure to open the publics eyes.

Garry, yes!

Beverly, I want people to stop allowing small businesses to be run out of town by ignoring big box stores. Truly this is short term gain for long term pain.

According to rawstory, another worm has turned. This one is appropriately named: Wurmser. Cheney's office.

Yes, Pat C, and the people do sometimes "run them out". California said NO to the building of 40 stores in that state. For the people it is long term pain, but for Walmart, long term gain, as "all the money/profits" goes directly to Arkansas, ALL OF IT!, while the communities located throughout the U.S. loose the revenue they once had with the mom and pops. They have got to be stopped! There is commentary on the net somewhere called "The Evil That is Walmart". It is so.

interesting astro discussion on DeLay over here
http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/Feedback.asp?ChartID=49627

Judi G re: your comment about FEMA not handling the new hurricane well................
Unhappily, Jeb ( the bright one in the family) is right on top of it. Fla. doesn't need FEMA,
PQ

Pat QOP....I'm glad to see you again....and funny, I thought about Jeb when I was posting that item....
Sally.....that T. Uranus on N.Venus aspect on DeLay ... combined with a Scorpio rising means lots of secrets...

Looking at DeLay's chart at Astrodata I see he has Jupiter conj. ascend. conj his Moon ...all in Scorpio (squaring the MC in Leo . The moon is at 29 Scorpio, a KARMIC degree (29th degree of fixed signs). It also opposes his north node at 3 Gemini....he used his personal power for himself ! Should have been concentrating on relationships....now legal relationships (hahahahah) will put him into the dock. He took the easy way out, using his Jupiter/Moon energy for personal gain. All of which was conjuncting his south node, so I would guess this isn't the first time this has been a lesson for him. Haven't looked at the progressed chart....

Just a few comments -

Judi G, when you mentioned being Goddess of Cats (or something to that effect) what popped into my mind was the cat painting you linked us to many months back - a great piece of art.

About Wilma, Myron heard on the news tonight that by the time it reached the U.S., it was supposed to downsize to a 1 or 2...although it is currently the biggest storm on record (2 Eyes, is it a mutant?). My comment was, I don't think I want to live anywhere near the coast and we need to start planning to move in the next few years, sooner if possible. I now realize how we arrive at the changes on most of the earth change maps...the mighty Mississippi mouth is very enlarged and FL is a seriour of islands. We don't know if it's global warming, the 20 or 30 yr. hurricane cycle, or a combination of both, but I'm beginning to think the coast is not the place to be, at least until the water settles.

About Fitzgerald, Garry, watch for his story appearing at your latest Blockbuster in the next year or so - it will be a good movie. Any guesses as to who is cast to play him?

Uranus in the 12th....my girlfriend has a large 12th house that encompasses Aquarius and Pisces --- major working out of karma has been happening in her life and it hasn't been fun - time for Delay to pay the piper and I am not at all surprised. No one is untouchable, although that's how he and Busco have seen themselves the past few years. I have a new belief in karmic justice now...

The Bush nemesis
Rightwingers in the US are still not satisfied by the most conservative president in decades

Sidney Blumenthal
Thursday October 20, 2005

Guardian

President Bush is the most conservative president in modern times. He consciously modelled himself as the opposite of his father. A conservative revolt contributed to defeat of the elder Bush, who was fiercely attacked as a betrayer. In a classic case of reaction formation, George W Bush was determined never to make an enemy on the right.
The younger Bush brought the neoconservatives - banished by Reagan and Bush Sr - back into government, and followed their scenario for remaking the Middle East through an invasion of Iraq, using 9/11 as the pretext. He followed the rightwing script on supply-side economics, enacting an enormous tax cut for the wealthy that fostered a deficit that dwarfed Reagan's, the problem his father had tried to resolve through a tax increase, which earned the right's hostility. And Bush has followed the religious right's line on stem-cell research, abortion and creationism.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5313680-103677,00.html

I have nothing to contribute tonight, but I am enjoying, revelling, salivating, ululating (sp?) over the news. Since I am going through, my Saturn return, Saturn opposing the Mars, Sun with a few horrendous squares and quincunxes to boot, this is the first "joy" I have had in months.

Nasty chart is in her element. The gods are kind.

I've seen a couple of references here to a 2nd eye for Hurricane Wilma. Rita briefly had a 2nd. According to a book I have on the 1935 hurricane that wiped out the Keys, sometimes a hurricane becomes so powerful that it will develop a 2nd eye wall. This has the effect of strangling the storm and weakening it somewhat. It's sort of like nature itself has become afraid of the power of the storm and needs to rein it in.

George Clooney should play Fitzgerald!! Just my opinion.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-moore/the-most-important-crimin_b_9183.htm

The Most Important Criminal Case in American History

If special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald delivers indictments of a few functionaries of the vice president’s office or the White House, we are likely to have on our hands a constitutional crisis. The evidence of widespread wrongdoing and conspiracy is before every American with a cheap laptop and a cable television subscription. And we do not have the same powers of subpoena granted to Fitzgerald.

We know, however, based upon what we have read and seen and heard that someone created fake documents related to Niger and Iraq and used them as a false pretense to launch America into an invasion of Iraq. And when a former diplomat made an honest effort to find out the facts, a plan was hatched to both discredit and punish him by revealing the identity of his undercover CIA agent wife.

Patrick Fitzgerald has before him the most important criminal case in American history. Watergate, by comparison, was a random burglary in an age of innocence. The investigator’s prosecutorial authority in this present case is not constrained by any regulation. If he finds a thread connecting the leak to something greater, Fitzgerald has the legal power to follow it to the web in search of the spider. It seems unlikely, then, that he would simply go after the leakers and the people who sought to cover up the leak when it was merely a secondary consequence of the much greater crime of forging evidence to foment war. Fitzgerald did not earn his reputation as an Irish alligator by going after the little guy. Presumably, he is trying to find evidence that Karl Rove launched a covert operation to create the forged documents and then conspired to out Valerie Plame when he learned the fraud was being uncovered by Plame’s husband, Ambassador Joseph Wilson. As much as this sounds like the plot of a John le Carre novel, it also comports with the profile of the Karl Rove I have known, watched, traveled with and written about for the past 25 years.

More...

Nice article from Star IQ

http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0006648.HTM

Tiny little Alstead, NH (my town) with a population of less than 2,000 individuals has been a lead story in national and international news this month. Devastation is the byline and the term is apropos. It began to rain—very hard—late in the afternoon of October 8. As the droplets continued to fall (sometimes as hard as an inch an hour), the rivers and streams began to roar and the lakes behind the dams began to fill. Raining all night long, sheets of water started to pour over the pavement and roads began to wash away.

By morning Warren Dam (which sits several miles above Alstead Village) was full and water was pouring over the top. The deluge traveled down the ravine toward town but was stopped by a blocked culvert. A huge temporary lake began to form in a large field behind the culvert. This held until 7:18 am (October 9) when everything let go and a 10 foot wall of water barreled down the Cold River and into the village, taking with it the homes, businesses, roads, telephone poles and vehicles in its path. We are left with a 5 mile long ravine.

More....

new crawl over at cloakanddagger.de:

FIRESTORM COMING? BUSH PROMISES TO PARDON EVERYONE IN CIA LEAK CASE INCLUDING EVEN HIMSELF AND CHENEY.

again, no further info, just saw it and wanted to post. Also please read the story at this link from Buzzflash--may only be speculation, but still interesting:

http://www.buzzflash.com/index.php?story=Story3

Well, that would fit in with the worst pResident ever.

October 20, 2005
U.S. Gives Florida a Sweeping Right to Curb Medicaid

By ROBERT PEAR
WASHINGTON, Oct. 19 - The Bush administration approved a sweeping Medicaid plan for Florida on Wednesday that limits spending for many of the 2.2 million beneficiaries there and gives private health plans new freedom to limit benefits.

The Florida program, likely to be a model for many other states, shifts from the traditional Medicaid "defined benefit" plan to a "defined contribution" plan, under which the state sets a ceiling on spending for each recipient.

Children under the age of 21 and pregnant women will be exempt from the limits.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/20/national/20medicaid.html?ei=5094&en=e2b5f8d34716c252&hp=&ex=1129867200&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print

Arrrgh! These people may actually be evil wv!

Here is Tom Delay's Arrest Warrent
http://dailydelay.blogspot.com/2005/10/arrest-warrant.html

George Clooney as Fitzgerald would be awesome. Apparently, the strategy is to let 'em all burn so the new & improved Bush can rise from the ashes once again (ha-ha) and the base will be pacified over his changed approach to the borders. It's all so much b.s., ya just gotta laugh. Check out Peggy Noonan's article for a glimpse on "the plan" : http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/?id=110007427

poor, poor too trusting Georgie, taken down the wrong road, but look folks, he's CHANGED now, lol.

oh yeah, one more thing. Bill Gates has switched his dollars to euro. lololol. ain't gonna be long now folks.

heck, I just noticed that the Gates' switch happened in January!!Jan. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Bill Gates, whose net worth of $46.6 billion makes him the world's richest person, is betting against the U.S. dollar.

``I'm short the dollar,'' Gates, chairman of Microsoft Corp., told Charlie Rose in an interview late yesterday at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. ``The ol' dollar, it's gonna go down.''

Gates's concern that widening U.S. budget and trade deficits are undermining the dollar was echoed in Davos by policymakers including European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet and German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder.

makes it all the more interesting I'd say: "they" already burned Schroeder, who the hell's gonna take down Gates?

The links below suggest that Judy Miller was a WHIG operative as well as having links to Larry Franklin of the AIPAC spy ring. Very interesting reading. Maybe this is what Fitzgerald is trying to link together.

http://www.correntewire.com/miller_was_whig_operative_confirmed

http://www.sw-asia.com/People/Judith_Miller_Naor_Gilon_Franklin_AIPAC.htm

Judi G and all,

I hope this post is not too disappointing.

My targeting of September 3 2006 involves many charts for localities around the world. I do not remember if I previously posted a listing of the various charts I have used for this so will list some of them here.

Sidereal Caplunars and Canlunars
Sidereal Capsolars and Cansolars
Sidereal anlunars
Individual lunars and anlunars
2005 Inaugural chart and it's derivatives
Progressions of all of the above

Critical locations - Washington, DC, Los Angeles, CA, Adelaide, Austratia

The chart for the first dropping of a nuclear weapon in war and it's derivatives

Themes seen repeatedly in all of the above charts are the square between Mars and Pluto and the opposition between Saturn and Neptune coming to the progressed angles on September 3 and 4 while aspecting natal or progressed planetary positions in the base charts.

I reach out to astrologers who are fluent in the Classical, Uranian, or Vedic techniques to look at whatever charts they may use to look at the same time frame and respond with their findings.

Have been quite busy recently as my place of emploment being victimized by armed robbery 4 times in 8 days with myself being present for one of the robberies and victim in another, followed by a jumbled work schedule since.

bob

(((bob)))

Bob...OMG...thanks for the posting in light of your upsets....and I would be interested to know about the aspects for the 8 days of YOUR hell...do you have Pluto/Mars aspects going on?

I looked at Pluto in WWI, and it was between 1-6 deg of Cancer....right on the US Venus/Jupiter. In WWII, Pluto was at 5-10 Leo, right on the USA North node at 6 Leo. The A Bomb on Japan was with Pluto T. at 10 Leo (the planning having been done when Pluto was around 5- 6 Leo)....so now we have T. Pluto at 21 Sag (which is my progressed ascendant), and it opposes US Mars and it is in square to Neptune AND it is moving into the conj. to the center of the Galaxy. I do see where you are coming from - and this is only dealing with a basic natal chart.

((((bob))))

A diehard republican

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/afdb7b0c-40f3-11da-b3f9-00000e2511c8,ft_acl=,s01=1.html

Edward Alden in Washington Published: October 20 2005 00:00 | Last updated: October 20 2005 00:19

Vice-President Dick Cheney and a handful of others had hijacked the government's foreign policy apparatus, deciding in secret to carry out policies that had left the US weaker and more isolated in the world, the top aide to former Secretary of State Colin Powell claimed on Wednesday.

In a scathing attack on the record of President George W. Bush, Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, chief of staff to Mr Powell until last January, said: "What I saw was a cabal between the vice-president of the United States, Richard Cheney, and the secretary of defense, Donald Rumsfeld, on critical issues that made decisions that the bureaucracy did not know were being made.

"Now it is paying the consequences of making those decisions in secret, but far more telling to me is America is paying the consequences."

Mr Wilkerson said such secret decision-making was responsible for mistakes such as the long refusal to engage with North Korea or to back European efforts on Iran. It also resulted in bitter battles in the administration among those excluded from the decisions.

"If you're not prepared to stop the feuding elements in the bureaucracy as they carry out your decisions, you are courting disaster. And I would say that we have courted disaster in Iraq, in North Korea, in Iran."

The comments, made at the New America Foundation, a Washington think-tank, were the harshest attack on the administration by a former senior official since criticisms by Richard Clarke, former White House terrorism czar, and Paul O'Neill, former Treasury secretary, early last year.

Mr Wilkerson said his decision to go public had led to a personal falling out with Mr Powell, whom he served for 16 years at the Pentagon and the State Department. "He's not happy with my speaking out because, and I admire this in him, he is the world's most loyal soldier."

Among his other charges: Å° The detainee abuse at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere was "a concrete example" of the decision-making problem, with the president and other top officials in effect giving the green light to soldiers to abuse detainees. "You don't have this kind of pervasive attitude out there unless you've condoned it."

Condoleezza Rice, the former national security adviser and now secretary of state, was "part of the problem". Instead of ensuring that Mr Bush received the best possible advice, "she would side with the president to build her intimacy with the president". Å° The military, particularly the army and marine corps, is overstretched and demoralised. Officers, Mr Wilkerson claimed, "start voting with their feet, as they did in Vietnam. . . and all of a sudden your military begins to unravel".

Mr Wilkerson said former president George H.W. Bush "one of the finest presidents we have ever had" understood how to make foreign policy work. In contrast, he said, his son was "not versed in international relations and not too much interested in them either". "There's a vast difference between the way George H.W. Bush dealt with major challenges, some of the greatest challenges at the end of the 20th century, and effected positive results in my view, and the way we conduct diplomacy today." www.newamerica.net

Pat C....that NH story...wow....and Taunton, MA, having an old Dam on the point of breaking, too....

Not sure who posted about moving inland, or away from the coasts, but it is true....I have posted before that a Stanford guy I did some work for had me draw the old San Francisco 1915 Pan Pacific International Exposition (Palace of Fine Arts) building under water to near the top.....as it will be one day. With seals swimming around the tops of the columns...100 years, he said.

Whoops...that should be 1000 years.

From when JG? 1915?

I wanted to ad that I briefly heard Al Franken today say that a major head of one of the military branches had said (he wished, as you will see, to remain anonymous) that if Don Rumsfield and Cheney and GWB came within his gun sites, he would gladly pull off a few shots.

Very much like the 'vision' I had during yoga a couple of months ago.

Garry-no...I did the work around 1996...he was projecting forward from there....using the buildings which are kind of identified with SF as a 'marker' for the 60 ft. or so rise in the sea levels. 12,000 years ago there was no SF Bay....it was just a river running out between 100 ft high cliffs which the Golden Gate Bridge now presides over....and ships sail thru.

Looks like a campaign photo.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/051020/480/dn10210201904

Judi, Worst pResident ever, and the most corrupt.

THIS ALL LOOKS LIKE SATURN TO ME.

Chickens Come Home to Roost on Cheney

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/102005Y.shtml

Indictments are expected to come down shortly as special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald completes the investigation originally precipitated by the outing of a CIA officer under deep cover. According to Ray McGovern, in 21-plus months of digging and interviewing, Fitzpatrick and his able staff have been able to negotiate the intelligence/policy/politics labyrinth with considerable sophistication. In the process, they seem to have learned considerably more than they had bargained for.

boy, i had to work hard to find that foto for some reason i only get a blank
at yahoo. but i found it. the guy
might be smiling, but the look on his face reminds me of the face of a little boy with piss all over his pants.
let the show go on.

Web site has Bill's back, keeps track of Hillary

By Dave Wedge
Thursday, October 20, 2005 - Updated: 09:51 AM EST

New York Sen. Hillary Clinton's possible race to become the first woman president is still three years off but fans and detractors alike can track her every move online thanks to a new Web site dedicated to all things Hillary.

JustHillary.com, a new fanlike Web site launched as a side project by New York Post political editor Gregg Birnbaum, touts itself as an independent, all-encompassing news portal about Clinton. Its motto: ``It's all about her.''

http://news.bostonherald.com/politics/view.bg?articleid=107868

Citizenspook has finally given us an update. Hopefully, will clarify the issue of "pardons".

http://www.citizenspook.blogspot.com

MAGNIFICENT BUZZFLASH!

Must Read by James Moore: "The Most Important Criminal Case in American History"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-moore/the-most-important-crimin_b_9183.html

Just One of the Seamy Republican Tales Unfolding in Washington
http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2005/10/19/
editorial_main/doc4355884d152ae944535075.txt

Leak Scandal Goes To The Top; What did the President know and when did he know it?
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/apps/n
l/newsletter2.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=917053

Congress is a Cheap Hooker of the NRA. Now Only Gun Manufacturers are Immune from Liability. Mortuary Industry and Munition Profiteers Rejoice!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051020/ap_on_go_co/congress_guns;

Don't Fox with Local News: Roger Ailes, the architect behind the right-wing tilt of cable news, is now remaking 35 local television stations -- broadcasting to nearly 40 percent of America's homes -- in Fox News Channel's image.
http://www.freepress.net/action/foxnews

DIY Disaster Relief: GOP's Conservative government has proven it has no plan for disaster relief -- not in Louisiana, not in L.A. or New York, not anywhere.
http://www.alternet.org/katrina/26862/

You Can't Be All You Can Be If You're Dead
http://www.blah3.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=108

I'm slightly concerned about the indictments coming down just before or during the Neptune retrograde of October 25, and currently Mars is retrograde as well.

Does anyone have a take on this? Could the charges simply "dissappear" or will the whitehouse spin machine pull out their smoke and mirrors once again to distract us???

Anyone seen this?
http://www.theunion.com/article/20051013/PROSPECTOR/110130064/-1/THEMES31

The fix is in

By Chris Floyd

If anyone in the White House is actually indicted and convicted for the high crime of exposing the identity of an undercover agent -- in wartime, no less -- they will certainly be pardoned when George W. Bush finally limps away from the steaming, stinking, blood-soaked ruin of his presidency. Nobody will do any hard time; in the end, the whole sick crew will simply pass through the golden revolving door into the lifetime gravy train of corporate grease and right-wing lecture-circuit glory.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10695.htm

===

Nauseating

I like these two!

"You can see it in their darting eyes, the twitches and fidgets: the fear, the nagging worry that perhaps, just perhaps, they haven't got it all nailed down this time; that perhaps, just perhaps, the law is something more than a fancy cane to beat the poor with; that it might, just might, apply to them as well. The sight of Bush's porky puppetmaster, Karl Rove, tottering out of his fourth grand jury appearance last week, with the shadow of manacles dangling before his pinched, bloated face, was an image to warm the cockles of every American patriot's heart.

But this schadenfruede, however tasty and effervescent, is no substitute for the strong meat of justice. And even in the unlikely -- not to say inconceivable -- event that the entire pack of jackals gets herded into the hoosegow for the agent-outing conspiracy, it will not bring back the innocent dead murdered at their command. It will not restore the shattered families writhing in the pits of grief and loss, from Baghdad to Burbank. It will not be recompense for the pointless sacrifice of soldiers and reservists sent on a criminal errand, plunged into a brutal and brutalizing hell -- for nothing, for a chimera, for ideological lunacy, for the enrichment of cats already so fat they can barely stand up and waddle to the dish for another slurp of cream."

As the poster on Salon said, "Are you ready for it?".

http://jameswolcott.com

snip

It isn’t just Pitchfork Pat and the Gargler who are coughing up furball apologetics for institutional thuggery, it’s also such nominal liberals as Tom Oliphant, Richard Cohen, and Jacob Weisberg, dubbed Eschaton’s Wanker of the Day. Some of the same so-called liberals who worked themselves into a capuccino froth about Clinton’s Monica lie shrug off the outing of Valerie Plame and the larger campaign to mislead the country into war in Iraq as no biggie even American troops and Iraqis continue to die and F16s continue to pound targets in the very country we occupy.

I don’t know what indictments, if any, are coming down the pike. But I promise you this: If there are high-reaching indictments from Fitzgerald’s grand jury that threaten to rip out several vital organs of the Bush regime, the same milksop Machiavellis who extol “hardball” as the Beltway’s favorite sport will suddenly start worming their fingers together in major fits of nervous handwringing and warning us these trials risk “tearing the country apart” and becoming a “terrible distraction” to more “urgent problems facing the nation.”

I remember this happening during the early stages of Watergate, when many of the poohbahs of journalism and punditry tried to bottle up the surge force of the investigations, feeling that the country had been through so much pain and woe in the late Sixties (the assassinations of Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King, the riots at the Chicago convention, etc) that another national trauma would be too much to bear. This was before the full dimensions of the rot and gangsterism were known, and even the Voices of Caution (such as Hugh Sidey) were forced to concede that Nixon had to go. I fully expect a replay if there are major indictments, with David Broder assuming the role of Sidey, Richard Cohen performing his yeoman best to much everything up, etc., and the all the former hardballers going soft, saying that whatever was done to strike back at Joe Wilson is dwarfed by the more important challenges facing us in Iraq, the War on Terror, the Katrina rebuilding, and so on.

More…

http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/2005/10/crap-those-pesky-records.html

Crap! Those Pesky Records!

What's up with John Dean?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2171919

shy, here's one from Joe Conason

http://salon.com/opinion/conason/2005/10/21/miller_times/print.html

Fitzgerald is no Ken Starr

The same pundits who are absurdly smearing Fitzgerald as a partisan zealot were notably silent during the Whitewater disgrace.

From the article:

snip

Yet an honest comparison with Starr is actually a useful exercise, if only because it helps to illustrate the phoniness of the grievances against Fitzgerald.

Starr was appointed by Republican judges, under the dubious influence of Republican Sens. Jesse Helms and Lauch Faircloth. He had no prosecutorial experience and proved to be an inept partisan. His investigation meandered repeatedly into new areas far afield from his original brief, took nearly five years to complete, required many grand jury extensions, and cost approximately $70 million. Starr and his prosecutors leaked promiscuously to favored reporters throughout the probe, thereby ensuring favorable press coverage and inflicting political damage on their White House targets.

Fitzgerald was appointed by the Bush administration's own deputy attorney general, as noted above, at the request of the CIA director. He boasts extensive experience and success as a federal prosecutor. He is not only skilled but absolutely free of any partisan taint, having prosecuted both Republicans and Democrats in Illinois. His investigation of the CIA leak will be wrapped up after less than two years, without any grand jury extensions. His office has been remarkably free of leaks, which may help explain why he gets none of the fawning publicity that was once lavished on Starr.

Critics like Weisberg, admittedly having no concrete knowledge of the evidence presented to the grand jury, suggest that those who revealed Valerie Wilson's identity were not motivated by revenge and committed no serious crime. Their destructive leak, Weisberg suggests, was "accidental," and he finds it impossible to believe that Bush administration officials would intentionally endanger CIA operatives. With equal ignorance of the evidence, Tierney echoes the current Republican spin downplaying the likelihood of any "real crime," a category that apparently doesn't include perjury or obstruction (unless perpetrated by a Democrat).

Considering the Bush administration's past treatment of dissenters and adversaries, however, it is entirely plausible that the officials now under scrutiny would have sought to intimidate Joseph and Valerie Wilson -- and that they may have done so recklessly, without thinking about the consequences of revealing her identity. Thuggishness and incompetence are not mutually exclusive.

As for whether perjury and obstruction are real crimes, Tierney and other would-be defense lawyers should answer this question. How can prosecutors require witnesses to tell the truth -- and refrain from obstructing justice -- if they are unable to prosecute those who would commit those offenses in covering up their misconduct?

In any case, the appellate judges who upheld the subpoenas of reporters Judith Miller and Matthew Cooper believed that Fitzgerald was on the trail of offenders who deserved to be caught. Unlike Fitzgerald's critics, they had seen some of the evidence -- and we should soon find out why they considered the crimes he is investigating to be very serious indeed.

Here is a view of the Tom Delay mugshot...from Salon.

http://academicelephant.redstate.org/story/2005/10/20/171015/19

I ment to say a view from the red States which was posted on Salon. It's early for me I guess.

Indonesian Students Challenge U.S. Envoy in Lively Exchange
By REUTERS
Filed at 3:13 a.m. ET

JAKARTA (Reuters) - U.S. goodwill envoy Karen Hughes got a earful from a group of mostly female Indonesian Muslim students on Friday, who expressed anger at the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq and attacked Washington's foreign policies.

Tasked by U.S. President George W. Bush to polish America's image overseas, the undersecretary of state for public diplomacy is in Jakarta to meet leading Muslim clerics and students during a tour of the world's most populous Muslim nation.

``Why does America always act as if they were the police of the world?,'' Barikatul Hikmah, a 20-year-old student at the Syarif Hidayatullah University asked Hughes.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/international/international-indonesia-usa.html?pagewanted=print

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/index.html

Fitzgerald's new website

This is the more likely Delay mugshot...

http://www.cafepress.com/thewhitehouse/866007

OK I think this bears repeating...

Is anyone besides me concerned about these indictments coming out just on or before or after Neptune goes stationary then retrograde on October 25???

The Coming World Recession of 2005
http://www.blonnet.com/2004/08/16/stories/2004081600110800.htm

From the Asia Times: "America's Nightmare: Becoming Britain"
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/GJ01Dj01.html

From the China Daily: "It's time to take seriously a US-led global recession"
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-10/06/content_482807.htm

From Canada: "Is America going broke?"
http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/world/article.jsp?content=20050307_101541_101541

White House Defense Crumbling in Leak Case
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/102105I.shtml
Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald now knows that Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, met three times with a New York Times reporter before the leak of Valerie Plame's identity; that Libby initiated a call to NBC newsman Tim Russert; and that Libby was a confirming source for a Time magazine reporter regarding the wife of Bush administration critic Joseph Wilson.

Aide Says FEMA Ignored Warnings
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/102105J.shtml
For 16 critical hours, Federal Emergency Management Agency officials, including former director Michael D. Brown, dismissed urgent eyewitness accounts by FEMA's only staffer in New Orleans that Hurricane Katrina had broken the city's levee system.

Post-Rove Thinking Underway
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/102105K.shtml
Out of the hushed hallway encounters and one-on-one conversations, several scenarios have begun to emerge if Rove or vice presidential chief of staff I. Lewis Libby is indicted and forced out.

Bush Steps Back from Commitment to Palestinian State
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/102105L.shtml
President Bush conceded Thursday that Palestinians may not have an independent state before his term ends in three years, as he had once envisioned.

Lawrence...I saw your inquiry yesterday and understand your concern....but I sure can't speculate on the Neptune question. Do you check Nancy's blog at starlight news? great, current stuff their on current issues. Just in case "Treasongate" falls through the cracks (and it might, since Bush is talking about "background noise" as a reply to reporters seeking info on the leak case, as though he has everything all fixed up, and he just might)I am pursuing other options to bring them all down: check this out, read their charter, this is happening tonight and tomorrow, hopefully C-Span will carry it, but am not sure at this point. This could be very, very, important!
http://www.bushcommission.org

For all f.y.i. Cindy Sheehan will co-host the last hour of the Randi Rhodes show this evening on Air America.

Comment: Tom Delay is trying to make his indictment ALL ABOUT RONNIE EARLE AND JUDGE PERKINS, the typical Republican switch/bait. How do you think the state judge will rule concerning the new motion to request another judge? He wanted originally to "wrap this up quickly" so he could get back to his leadership post, but seems to come up with several delaying tactics!

Thanks Beverly, I am aware of Nancy's site, but don't have total faith in it since its content was altered last year after bushie won again, it used to say KERRY WINS the presidency but that was changed after the fact which I find disturbing and not so credible.

Lawrence the Leo....I was concerned about the retro Mars....didn't put Neptune on my radar, but since it is going retro, I would think something must happen having to do with the 'veils' being put up....to obfuscate all that has been happening.....of course, maybe it just means the neptunian people will get more confused....

This is for Bob and the posting he did above....I sent it to a fellow who lives in the Bay Area, because I knew he could tell me more, and he did....he wrote some things out for Bob...map, too....
So Bob, it you read this, and want me to forward this to you, I will....let me know. He was pretty interested in what you are pinpointing and back it up.

Hi all,

In a previous post I corrected one mistake, then proceeded to make another. I said transiting Saturn would be conjuncting Cheney's Sun when I meant to say it would be opposing it.

Thanks for the higs! Most appreciated!

The day I was held up tMars was trine natal Mc (birth locality) and conjunct nUranus while tPluto was square nMC. There were other aspects but those were the biggies.

Birthdata: Jan 25, 1941, 3:35 AM, CST
Topeka, Kansas
Residence: Rockford, IL

Judi G,

I would be very interested to see that material. My thoughts are that the Sat/Nep opp that I am seeing in so many charts are an indication of worldwide psychological shock possibly indicated by the use of nuclear weapons in some manner (Mars/Pluto sq).

bob

bob...email me at
judiwood@sanbrunocable.com

Had a few of those mars/pluto things myself....

JUDI, yes that is what I am concerned about, Neptune going retro and the whitehouse pulling out all their smoke and mirror tricks to blur the importance of it. Hard to imagine with Bush's approval rating so low but I wouldn't put anything past them to try and distract the public from their crimes.

lawrence the leo
Hi, from Claudia Dikinis' site
http://starcats.com/2005pl.html
Neptune
SR May 19 | 04:37 pm Pacific | 07:37 pm Eastern | 17 Aquarius
SD Oct 26 | 04:27 pm Pacific | 07:27 am Eastern | 14 Aquarius
Neptune stations direct on 26 October. Not being an astrologer i only point out that the movement is not retrograde....
I've been stuck with my venus being squared by neptune for a long, way too long a time and will be glad to see it moving on...

Thanks Tseka, you are correct, I mispoke (damn that mercury square saturn of mine). Neptune does STATION on the 25th before going direct which is a stagnant sort of time, still a tad concerned about the truth coming out then. But on the other hand it would only be fitting for the fog to lift and the truth to come out this week.

Fingers and eyes crossed...

Delay's mug shot...........compelling evidence of his, supreme control, & ability to lie!
I used to roll my eyes back just when the camera shutter went down, and have my mouth in a goofy position. But when I became head lioness in charge of raising the kids, and was frequently written up in Phila publications, I learned to arrange my face well for the photographs. It's not about how you feel but; what you WANT to convey!
((((((((((((((Morgana)))))))))))))) & ((((((((((((Bob))))))))))))) belated sympathy greetings............
There's so much going on now, it's almost beyond my grasp, what with needing to do some pragmatic tasks to batten down for the winter, more seriously than I ever have!
We finally had a frost Oct. 21, a month & 2 weeks after the normal frost date for this region!!!!!!
PQ

Over here in Suzhou, a lot of Americans are getting very worried about the possibility of war with Syria or Iran. It is hard enough to avoid discussing Iraq. Rumsfeld was in Beijing making noises this week.
Right now the Aussies and Canadians and Irish are more popular than we are.
Personally I am finally beginning to feel better. The extremely hot weather has gone. Hotter than normal I am told. We have been rained on by two named typhoons this year. Now we have unseasoanable cold. It may go below 60 tonight. Everyone says there is something wrong with the weather.

This was posted over on Nancy's bolg.

From Democratic Underground: Someone has found Fitz’s Birth Time! Thanks to all those secret spies (maybe a few relatives that have found the birth certificate, even) who have found times and places for us!

Fitz (male)
born on 22 Dec 1960 local time 08:43 pm
in Brooklyn (Kings County), NY (US) U.T. 01+43
73w56, 40n38 sid. time 02:53:41

Planetary positions
planet sign degree house motion
Sun Capricorn 01°14’36 05 direct
Moon Pisces 05°18’20 07 direct
Mercury Sagittarius 23°23’14 05 direct
Venus Aquarius 14°58’09 06 direct
Mars Cancer 11°38’54 11 retrograde
Jupiter Capricorn 12°01’23 05 direct
Saturn Capricorn 18°32’40 05 direct
Uranus Leo 25°35’11 01 retrograde
Neptune Scorpio 10°37’10 03 direct
Pluto Virgo 08°05’24 01 retrograde
True Node Virgo 08°41’48 01 retrograde

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Leo 23°13’54
2nd House Virgo 15°32’51
3rd House Libra 12°59’20
Imum Coeli Scorpio 15°53’18
5th House Sagittarius 21°21’50
6th House Capricorn 24°29’11
Descendant Aquarius 23°13’54
8th House Pisces 15°32’51
9th House Aries 12°59’20
Medium Coeli Taurus 15°53’18
11th House Gemini 21°21’50
12th House Cancer 24°29’11

With all the snow and ice melting in the coldest regions of the world, there is no doubt that the weather is certainly changing. There have been so many who have tried to warn the people, but it has been like yelling into a wind tunnel.

Pat C
i'm sitting here contemplating a firtst house pluto conjuct north node at 9 virgo in Fitzgerald's chart...does it seem intense to you???
He certainly seems to be living his soul's chart. Thanks for posting this info.

Oh my yes tseka! He is indeed that, and evdently unmoved when following the course of the law. He is just what is needed for this group of thugs.

http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=7732

October 22, 2005
Fitzgerald Expands Probe to Prewar Intel
Source: Chalabi responsible
for forged WMD documents
As Antiwar.com readers found out on Wednesday, prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald’s investigation into the Plame leak case has broadened to include a probe into the catalyzing event that set off the "outing" of CIA agent Valerie Plame to begin with: the Niger uranium forgeries. These documents, which purported to show that the Iraqis were trying to procure uranium from the African nation of Niger, were utilized by the Bush administration in making the case for war – but, alas, they turned out to be crudely done fakes. The question of who forged them has always been at the heart of this case, and now it looks like Fitzgerald is getting close to the answer.

Since the forged documents first turned up in Italy, an Italian parliamentary committee was charged with investigating, and they issued a heavily redacted report: now, Fitzgerald has received an unredacted and full version of the report, and he is moving fast on this front, as this video clip from MSNBC reports.

Just remember – you found out about it first on Antiwar.com.

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Latest MoDo, for those of you who like a bracing splash of sarcasm in the morning:
http://www.pekingduck.org/archives/003038.php#003038

Pat C, thanks for info on Fitzgerald's chart.

Lebanon and Lebanese quite agitated. More later.

Thanks shylurker for posting modo....nothing else in the NYT worth paying for! I had read some of it online at Salon TT, and loved how Judy Miller took MoDo's seat at a DC briefing....Once when I was covering the first Bush White House, I was in The Times's seat in the crowded White House press room, listening to an administration official's background briefing. Judy had moved on from

her tempestuous tenure as a Washington editor to be a reporter based in New York, but she showed up at this national security affairs briefing.

At first she leaned against the wall near where I was sitting, but I noticed that she seemed agitated about something. Midway through the briefing, she came over and whispered to me, "I think I should be sitting in the Times seat."

It was such an outrageous move, I could only laugh. I got up and stood in the back of the room, while Judy claimed what she felt was her rightful power perch.

As for the weather....well, it has happened before where weather suddenly changes ....I know that the world really had a hard time from early 1700's to 1750, when it went cold and there was almost no sun spot activity....lots of death from many different things...cold, not enough food, etc...very bleak. But yes, people are talking about it, too....which means we aren't imagining it all!

http://jameswolcott.com/

good piece on Libby being shark bait.

"Rove's War" - video documentary fundraiser ---be sure to listen to "Secret Agent Plame" set to the tune of Johnny Rivers "Secret Agent Man"
http://www.takebackthemedia.com

The Illusion of Normality

by Ernest Partridge
www.dissidentvoice.org
October 19, 2005
First Published in: The Crisis Papers

Never in the 229 years of United States history has this government “of, by and for the people” been in greater peril. Not during the Civil War, not during the Great Depression, and not during the Second World War or the Cold War which followed.

Until today, gross incompetence, abuse of power, corruption, corporatocracy, and federal insolvency could be checked and reversed by balanced and separated governmental powers, and at the ballot box by a citizenry informed and provoked by an alert and independent media. Now all branches of government and the mainstream media are dominated by the wealthy elites in control of a single political party.

Can you believe this? If not, you are in the company of a majority of Americans who might respond to the above jeremiad with “Oh c’mon now, it can’t be as bad as all that! We’ve always had incompetence, corruption, waste, fraud and abuse in the federal government, and stolen elections are as old as the republic. It’s no different now.”

So long as that majority of Americans believes thi

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Oct05/Partridge1019.htm

OK ya'll....just got this from a friend in PHX...
Somebody "leaked" Tom DeLay's personal phone numbers---Ann

Begin forwarded message:
Yes, they are real.  Our friend got through a few weeks ago so the numbers may be changed.  We just got back from our month in Italy so I just got the numbers.  I am about to give it a try.  I would love to "say hello"  to him. Better yet, we should end up with his jail phone number and address.

Home Phone:  281 980 6331
Cell Phone:      281 565 8363

Have any of you read this article? If not, it is a must read.
Written by the guy who wrote "Bush's Brain," it is titled "the most important criminal case in American history"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-moore/the-most-important-crimin_b_9183.html

Living in a Fascist State

By Lewis H. Lapham

It does no good to ask the weakling's pointless question, "Is America a fascist state?" We must ask instead, in a major rather than a minor key, "Can we make America the best damned fascist state the world has ever seen,"
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10710.htm

Hey all-
there's lots of juicy stuff up today at
http://waynemadsenreport.com, go check it out!!!

namaste y'all
G

corrected link
http://waynemadsenreport.com