Well, Morgana! This one just took my breath away. Gotta go re-read as the scope and import are amazing. Many thanks!

Outstanding Morgana and you are so right this is going to be a month and a half and only a warm up of what's to come. Mars is Parigee, and Lunar extremes we have not seen the likes of which since 1987. With Mars moving to it's every 60,000 years close pass to earth (began in 2003 and ending in 2006) I am wondering about Zena's impact except as the herald to feminine power. Zena was at 0 degrees Aries in 1900, and has only moved to 20 degrees Aries today, however planets hitting her could have a big impact.

Just loved your article Morgana, the music, ah the music

"the whack job(s) running the White House and like the Devil to whom they sold their covetous souls"

Great line. So what do you think Morgana, Plame indictments on the horizon this week, maybe the 5th or 12th?

M. yup I think the indictments are going to pop soon, and I am hopeing they start taking down. The country will be better off then going over the cliff with them.

I'm also all for holding Congress, Senate, Republican and Democrat who supported these yahoo's to account, and asta la vista baby.

Somehow Morgana you make it easy to comprehend and the difficult tasks less fearful, more doable....at least for me.

This one really got to me, and I think speaks to the revelations coming now.

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX SUN OCT 02, 2005 21:04:37 ET XXXXX

'COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF' SUTHERLAND: BUSH WILL DESTROY OUR LIVES

Choking back tears, COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF star Donald Sutherland warned this week: President Bush "will destroy our lives!"

The star of the new ABC drama, which follows the first woman President of the United States, lashed out at the real White House during a dramatic sit down interview with the BBC.

Sutherland ripped Bush and his administration for the war and Hurricane Katrina fallout.

"They were inept. The were inadequate to the task, and they lied," Sutherland charged.

"And they were insulting, and they were vindictive. And they were heartless. They did not care. They do not care. They do not care about Iraqi people. They do not care about the families of dead soldiers. They only care about profit."

At one point during the session, Sutherland started crying: "We stolen our children's future... We have children. We have children. How dare we take their legacy from them. How dare we. It's shameful. What we are doing to our world."

Sutherland went on rip Karl Rove's "methods and means" against people like Cindy Sheehan.

"We're back to burning books in Germany," Sutherland said of NBC's editing out of Kanye West's comment on Bush during a hurricane relief telethon.
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash4ds.htm

If it's do'able then we have begun to conquer the fear that they have wrapped us in. For what they fear is us.

Much appreciated Morgana. As to holding all of them accountable, fine by me, I'm in a take no prisioners mood.

Morgana, since they always seem to reflect out onto others what they themselves are doing, they must be terrified.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/03/politics/03equip.html

NYTimes October 3

The Pentagon has not completed guidelines for allowing soldiers, their families and charities to be reimbursed for some combat equipment they bought for use in Iraq and Afghanistan, a year after the passage of legislation calling for such a program.

The sponsor of the original legislation, Senator Christopher J. Dodd, Democrat of Connecticut, says he plans to introduce an amendment to a defense bill this week to take authority for the program from Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and give it to military commanders in the field.

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Dear me, it looks like the world is smaller than we thought. Mrs Thatcher might just be involved with "the hammer" and involved in a nefarious way, Across the pond just isn't what it used to be.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=16201986&method=full&siteid=94762&headline=keep-it-sealed-keep-it-secret--name_page.html

Great gobs of love to you posters! Edinbrough Scotland is fabulous... so very old. AmeriCO cities you know just look like they cld pack up & be gone next night. Mebbe that'll even happen. But here... aaaiiiii! That chronic aching spot I have for old/ancient/beautiful, freakin' meaningful roots, & "still solidly here" is being soothed for the first time that I can remember. My seesta, Spiny, is a wonderful host & has been most generous in sharing what she has... marvelous friends & "stuff." The food & beverages (beloved coffee) are great even at the airport. The peoples here despise bushaholic et al & his poodle, blair. Blessed Be. ;O)

It's Harriet for SCOTUS!

Good morning AWers! And WOW, Morgana! Your writing just keeps getting better and better! Tick-tock, time is running out for this administration, literally. BUT. . .have they saved a final trick? What rabbit are they going to pull out of the hat? Harriet Meyers? The newest nominee for the supreme court, er i mean the grand inquisition, was just announced @ 8:01 or thereabouts EDT, DC.

The above right-wing idealogue (and you can bet she is) has been a Bush advisor for ten years. There are plans within plans within plans. This does not bode well.

And Pat C, your statement was profound. . .that this administration reflects out what it is doing.

Last night i thought about The Teflon res (Reagan), Tricky Dick, Slick Willy. What should we call this resident? And, will anything "stick"?

karen

October 3, 2005
By TIMOTHY WILLIAMS
President Bush nominated Harriet E. Miers, the White House counsel, as his choice to replace Justice Sandra Day O'Connor this morning, his second nominee for the Supreme Court.

Ms. Miers, 60, a longtime confidant of the president's, has never been a judge, and therefore lacks a long history of judicial rulings that could reveal ideological tendencies. Her positions on such ideologically charged issues as abortion and affirmative action are not clear.

Many of President Bush's allies had lobbied the president to choose a conservative justice to replace Justice O'Connor, a key swing vote on the court, in order to affix a conservative stamp on the court for years to come. The president has vowed to turn the court rightward. Democrats in the Senate however, have warned that a conservative pick to replace a moderate justice would lead to a drawn-out partisan battle.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/03/politics/03cnd-scotus.html?ei=5094&en=016d0c23462557b3&hp=&ex=1128398400&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print

October 3, 2005
Exploiting Katrina
It was almost inevitable that we would see every kind of legislative lunacy after Katrina, proposed in the name of accelerating the cleanup in New Orleans, improving the nation's energy security or achieving other worthy objectives. And so we have: Congress has used Katrina as cover for ideas that could never stand on their own and for a remarkably brazen raid on the public treasury and environmental protections.

Take, for example, Richard Pombo, the chairman of the House Resources Committee, who is proposing to open up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to drilling, allow states to opt out of a longstanding moratorium on offshore drilling, and suspend judicial and administrative reviews of federal decisions to open public lands for oil and gas leasing. This is the same Richard Pombo who proposed last week - joking, he said - to sell off a few lesser-known national parks if money from the Arctic refuge was not forthcoming.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/03/opinion/03mon2.html?pagewanted=print

Folks, i don't like where this is going with Miers. (sorry for the misspelling earlier.) With Roberts and Miers on the court (given that Miers is confirmed) this administration is covering their doo-doo as fast as it lands on the ground.

Let's say Fitzgerald already has testimony linking Bush, Cheney, Rove to Plame. Let's say they all committed impeachable offenses (which they did). So? The rethug congress will make certain a vote to impeach does not see the light of day. Further, the stacked court may grant Bush, et al even greater power (at least in writing) than currently exists.

To pull this off, they'll have to suspend the vote as well, since there will be ground swell support for any candidate that's not a rethug.

Despite the "handwriting writing on the wall" of this administration's offenses, i'm not sure they won't pull this off. Overturn Passe Comitatus, create another "event" on US soil, invade Iran, etc., etc.

As wv posted above, they're already raiding the treasury.

karen

An impeachment trial, if it were to happen, would go before the Congress, not the Supreme Court. Roberts, because he is Chief Justice, would preside over the proceedings, but he would probably have to recuse himself, as a W. appointee.

Similarly, if any criminal cases involving Bush or people in his admin came before the Supreme Court, Roberts and Miers (if she's confirmed) would need to recuse themselves.

Superb article, Morgana, thorough and heart warming.

Do we have an exact time Bush announced Harriet? If she thinks Bush is the smartest man she's ever met, well, boy howdy what a really dumb bunny. Though since she's Bush's private counsel one can muse that she is the creator of his teflon coating.

Jesus wept!

American civilian defence group begins patrols of Canada-U.S. border LAUREN LA ROSE
Sun Oct 2, 6:53 PM ET

TORONTO (CP) - A U.S. civilian border-watch group is expanding its operation to the 49th parallel.

For the month of October, the Minuteman Civil Defence Corps will take watch from their cars and lawn chairs, with binoculars at the ready, in eight northern U.S. states bordering seven Canadian provinces.

The volunteer group will have observers in Washington, Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire and New York. Some posts will be on border watch 24/7.

The Minutemen report to border officials when they observe individuals trying to illegally enter the U.S.

Peter Buck of the Minutemen's New England chapter said the American government is failing to supply the manpower needed to secure the northern border.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20051002/ca_pr_on_na/border_patrol&printer=1;_ylt=AmLVo.NHP8JPKAydAfbeU95iyL4F;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-

Bush started making the announcement at 8:02 EDT
10/03/05

Harriet was born Aug 10, 1945 in Dallass.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/03/AR2005100300305.html

Thanks WV!

The Greatest Strategic Disaster in US History

by Paul Craig Roberts
Capitol Hill Blue, the Washington, D.C., publication that cultivates relationships with White House staffers, reports one White House aide saying, "It's like working in an insane asylum. People walk around like they're in a trance. We're the dance band on the Titanic, playing out our last songs to people who know the ship is sinking and none of us are going to make it."

"If POTUS is on the road, you can breathe a little easier," says an aide. Otherwise, it is one temper tantrum after another from Bush, whose "cakewalk war" has turned into interminable conflict, whose idiocy in diverting funding for New Orleans' levees to war in Iraq was disastrous for the famous city, and whose Social Security privatization has been rejected by the electorate.

http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=7472

gbs, you're correct. As i stated earlier, however, Congress will NOT act. The stacked court WILL, however, enact even more draconian law including overturn of Roe v Wade.

I also understand that if Congress DID move to impeach, Bush COULD ignore their will.

I'm not certain that either Roberts or Miers would recuse themselves were this scenario to play all the way to the supreme court. I'm not sure what law would apply that would force them TO recuse themselves.

karen

Lots of goodies here on Ms Miers...

http://www.buzzflash.com/

Spineless, Tired &
Uninspired - What
Opposition Party?
By Dave Lindorff
10-3-5

Iraq War going to hell, with U.S casualties approaching 2000 dead and 25,000 wounded, at a cost of $200 billion and rising.

Poverty in America on the rise in a period of supposed economic growth.

Republican Party a cesspool of corruption.

White House being investigated for outing undercover CIA agent.

Abortion rights under serious threat, with the Supreme Court being packed with right-wing judges.

New Orleans, just drying out from disastrous flood, being raped by White House-linked corporate pirates and scam artists.

Budget deficit topping half trillion dollars.

Gas and heating oil crisis looming, while oil companies reap record profits.

http://www.rense.com/general67/crddst.htm

karen,

I was under the impression that a SC justice had to recuse themselves if there was a conflict of interest in a case they were hearing, but apparently it's only voluntary. So technically Roberts and Miers could stay on the court to hear a case having to do with Plame or any other kind of Bush wrongdoing.

Immediately Oppose the Outrageous Nomination of Harriet Miers
Don't delay, send your senators a message that this insult to the judicial syste
by Rob Kall

http://www.opednews.com

Dear Senator Spector

I hope you are feeling the same level of outrage as I am. You have been handed a nomination that smacks of pure cronyism, an instant replay of the vice presidential nomination—where the person delegated to help select the nominee selected herself.

We have a nominee who accepted a plum partisan appointee job as Lottery director for six years. This is not in itself, bad, but it is not good enough for a member of the supreme court. A person who takes a job like this is allowing herself to coast, unchallenged by growth opportunities, accepting an easy path to comfortable income. This is not the character we want in a member of the supreme court.

Based on this nomination, president Bush must believe we must have zero good judges who have enough experience and competence.

This woman is a purely partisan player who promises to make Michael Brown look good.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_rob_kall_051003_immediately_oppose_t.htm

http://villagevoice.com/news/0540,webmondo2,68426,2.html

By nominating Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court, President Bush is turning to a trusted advisor who has a reputation for keeping her mouth shut—and putting her in a key position for damage control. Her nomination might make people like Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, and Tom DeLay breathe a little easier. She is, as Bush has said, "a pit bull in size 6 shoes." If confirmed, Miers will be the president’s woman on the Supreme Court. She would replace Justice Sandra Day O’Connor, a Republican pick for the court who has turned out to be more of a swing voter than some right-wing Republicans would like.

Never a judge, Miers is a longtime GOP functionary, and has pumped thousands of dollars into the campaigns of right-wing GOP stalwarts in Texas—from Phil Gramm to Kay Bailey Hutchison. It must be noted that in 1988 she gave money to Democrats—$1,000 to Al Gore in his first try for president and $1,000 to Lloyd Bentsen for Senate.

Above all, Miers is loyal to President Bush. It’s hard to imagine her putting faithfulness to the Supreme Court above faithfulness to the Bush family. She reportedly recommended Alberto Gonzalez to be Bush’s counsel when Bush was governor of Texas. Miers was Bush’s personal lawyer in Texas, coming with him to the White House in 2001 as a staff secretary—the person who checks out all documents before they go to the president. Miers became a deputy counsel, then counsel when Gonzalez was elevated to attorney general.

Miers is a former president of Locke, Purnell, Rain & Harrell and former chair of the Texas Lottery Commission. Locke, Purnell, Rain & Harrell have given at least $65,000 to Bush campaigns and are major backers of tort reform.

“One case involved a unique law—passed under former Gov. George Bush—that blocked Texas consumers from recovering $6 billion in overcharges on car loans and allowed dealers to keep kickbacks secret,” reported Light Up the Darkness. “Two consumer groups have called on the Texas Legislature to repeal it. Locke, Purnell, Rain & Harrell were defendants of the litigation, which included auto dealers in Texas.”

Miers was chair of the state lottery commission from 1995 to 2000, at a time when the agency was tied up in a case involving Gtech. That’s the company that ran the lottery, and was accused of alleged kickbacks and illegal contracts. The case also involved former lieutenant governor Ben Barnes—the same pol who claimed to have helped the young Bush get into the National Guard.

(Ridgeway has links)

The Voice of the White House

September 30, 2005: “The main topic of conversation hereabouts is the nailing of the odious Bush ramrod, DeLay, for money laundering. He will not go quietly into the good night of political oblivion and is rushing around the Beltway, pretending that he is still in charge and attacking the Texas authorities for nailing him on charges that everyone here knows are dead on. In spite of his bluster, many Repubicans are eying DeLay’s position with barely concealed interest and already, there are groups meeting here and there debating who is going to get his job and all the money that goes with it. DeLay is a nasty shit but he kept the Republicans in the House under his iron thumb with a nice mixture of bribery and threats. His loss will put paid to the Bush/Robe plan to cinch up a permanent Republican majority in Congress for decades to come. With the Mid Terms coming up and Bush’s popularity falling (29% by the latest private GOP poll) you will see more and more legislators moving away from Bush’s extreme right position and more towards more publicly accepted fiscal moderation. Moderate Repblicans will be the first to move towards the center and then the others will slowly follow. Three men now run the United States: VP Cheney, until he was caught, DeLay in Congress and Karl Rove, the Evil Puppet Master who was Bush’s pet character assassin and head schemer. It now looks like the Machinery is going to cut the balls off of Rove (if in fact he has any) and without these two men, Bush is, to be crude but accurate, up shit creek without a paddle. He is helpless and utterly useless without a powerful support system and he will pretty soon get so frightened and helpless that back comes the bottle. I can’t wait for him to slap his wife on camera or start mumbling incoherently at an ad hoc press event. The latter is more probable and his immediate staff, who love the power that comes from licking his bum, are looking all over the Oval Office for the Hidden Bottle.”

EXTRA GOOD JUJU NEEDED! If anyone can send some good vibes my way from noon to 1 pm (CA time), I'd sure appreciate it. My boss is having a meeting with the grievance folks to answer questions about retaliation he's undertaken against me. I'm not asking to skew anything, but anyone who can put out some energy to help the truth be known would earn a great debt of gratitude from me.

Many thanks.

Baraka, I'm with you.

This is such a fine article Morgana. I do thank you for writing these words. They do help so much.

http://antiwar.com/justin/

Scooter-gate

A criminal conspiracy

by Justin Raimondo

~snip~

While Libby is a towering aspen, whose fall will make a rather loud noise, others in the same stand have already met a similar fate, and what we have here is a sort of domino effect. John Hannah, Cheney's special assistant for Middle East affairs, was fingered early on in this investigation. Last year, Richard Sale of UPI reported a rare leak from the investigators:

"'We believe that Hannah was the major player in this,' one federal law-enforcement officer said. Calls to the vice president's office were not returned, nor did Hannah and Libby return calls. The strategy of the FBI is to make clear to Hannah 'that he faces a real possibility of doing jail time' as a way to pressure him to name superiors, one federal law-enforcement official said."

Hannah has an interesting background. In the early 1990s, he served as head of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP), a think tank associated with the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). As Middle East scholar Juan Cole pointed out, Hannah was a key figure in the intelligence-manipulation effort that legitimized phony "evidence" of Iraq's WMD cooked up by the fraudster Ahmed Chalabi. Hannah, like the other aspens in the grove, turned with the rest of the cluster when it came to U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East:
More...

Go to americablog.org. Very interesting in that Aravosis has posted a fascinating article by Kos and apparently agrees.

Baraka, I'm thinking of you and sending the best vibes I can.

Done Baraka and good luck.

Ms. Miers, like her Boss Mr. Bush, has a very fortunate chart, haven't done the progressions as yet, but the tight formation of planets in 5 houses and a Leo Sun indicates a very fixed and rigid view of the world, (guess that's why she thinks GWB is "the most brilliant man she's ever known.) Unless she was born late in the afternoon of the 10th, I expect her to either be confirmed or come close to it.

The Harriet Miers Story: DeLay, TRMPAC, Texas Lottery Scandal and Cleansing Bush's Guard Records
http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/05/10/ana05030.html

Bush's Stay out of Jail Card
http://polunatic.blogspot.com/2005/10/bushs-stay-out-of-jail-card.html

ABC's Terry Moran asked McClellan if Bush appointing his personal lawyer, someone with no experience on the bench, is "not the definition of cronyism, what is?"
http://ostroyreport.blogspot.com/2005/10/press-hammers-mcclellan-over-bushs.html

Will Durst: Put The Hammer Down
http://www.buzzflash.com/durst/05/10/dur05016.html

Even The Conservative National Review Thinks Bush Crony Miers is An Awful Pick for Supreme Court 10/3
http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/05/10/ana05029.html

New charges!!

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/gen/ap/TX_DeLay_Indictment.html

DeLay indicted on money laundering charge

Very descriptive article Morgana,
This ticked Ceres with mars in the 12th & venus conjunct my moon, is doing damage control on my barren, sewer mound. Trying to get ANYTHING, grass, winter rye, wildflowers, to grow on the many bare spots, before the freeze, to keep the mound from eroding with the spring thaw! Could the planets be more specific?
Read:
Stacks & stacks of dirt on Delay, says grand jury foreman 10/2
http://buzzflash.com/
The article mentions TRMPAC the Rep. fund raising organization from Sugerland TX, Wasn't that the group that ran the news service that hired Gannon /Guckart??????

Thanks for keeping me informed while I wrestle with the sewer mound! ( which is 25 or 30 feet high and STEEP on the outside edge.)
PQ

Harriet Miers....I was at my daughter's today, babysitting...and she started talking about the Miers nomination, insensed that it was a person with no judicial experience....

Harry Reid apparently told the BushCo to go ahead with Miers nomination, that he liked the fact that she had no judicial experience, but did have lawyering experience.

Imagine my shock to find that Harriet Miers and my daughter share much....a birthdate and many planets, with a shared (exact) Mercury and Venus (1 deg difference). May I point out that Neptune is opposing this position in Leo? And that she was appointed just after the Sun had gone over her natal Chiron? Harriet also has Uranus conj. Mars in Gemini.....anyone care to interpret?

Raw Story has the Harry Reid story....

Morgana, this one's for you, thanks for the entertaining and informative disection....so here goes....
Subject: NUCLEAR GOVERNMENT

A major research institution has recently announced the discovery of the heaviest element yet known to science. The new element has been named -Governmentium. Governmentium has one neutron, 12 assistant neutrons, 75 deputy neutrons, and 11 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 312.

These 312 particles are held together by forces called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton like particles called peons.

Since Governmentium has no electrons, it is inert. However, it can be detected, because it impedes every action with which it comes into contact.

A minute amount of Governmentium causes a reaction to take four days to complete, when it would normally take less than a second.

Governmentium has a normal half-life of 4 years. It does not decay, but instead under-goes a reorganization in which a portion of the assistant neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places. In fact, Governmentium's mass will actually increase over time since each reorganization will cause more morons to become neutrons, forming isodopes.

This characteristic of moron promotion leads some scientists to believe that Governmentium is formed whenever morons reach a certain quantity in concentration. This hypothetical quantity is referred to as "Critical Morass."

When catalyzed with money, Governmentium becomes Administratium - an element which radiates just as much energy as Governmentium since it has half as many peons but twice as many morons.

awesome Morgana. This eclipse is definitely wild. I've never seen so many people so emotionally charged in my life.

Pat QOP, what about vines?

I'm not emotionally charged. I'm exhausted, tired, fed up and really would like something good to happen for ME for a change. But then I have Mars in Aries and it is retro now, and it is co-ruler of my ascendant in 0 Scorpio. So I figure I have a pass. I am fed up with all of it.

Yes vines........I do have wild rasberries on the other side of the yard & down the back hill, + blackberries ( not easily accessable) Also crown vetch near the road culvert. ( They use that on highway edges.) All I need is time..& the days are getting so short! It's "hard work".
But it is eerily warm up here. We havn't even had a frost yet. Last year it came on Sept. 8!!!!

Love the Nuclear Government!

There are a lot of watery deaths, of old and infirm people.........
( the tour boat on Lake George as well as the nursing homes & hospitals in NO) what is that? Sat in Leo doesn't suggest that.

PQ

Meanwhile,
http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=46226

Judi G, the Neptune oppose the Mercury/Venus would naturally depend on the house position however based on the aspect alone, lots of rose colored glasses going on and things no being as they seem to the person. The Sun crossing over Chiron certainly indicates a change in social standing, of course if it's the transiting Sun over Chiron that comes once a year, it would be Chiron over the Sun that would cause a permanent change in social standing, there is also a focus on health and vatality when the Sun crosses over Chiron or visa/versa.

I hope something good happens for you too Judi

And then there is this.........
Prensa Latina reports that Venezuelan Vice President Jose Vicente Rangel has accused the Bush family of ties with terrorists, especially criminal Luis Posada Carriles.

http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=46211

The entire east coast from Maine to Chesapeake bay is foggy!
The temperature is predicted to be in the 80's It's 68o here now; should be down in the 40's-50's!!!!!!!!
PQ

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/miers-led-law-firm-repeat_b_8277.html

Miers Headed Law Firm Repeatedly Forced to Pay Damages For Defrauding Investors

Poll needs help: Should Miers be confirmed?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9579159/site/newsweek/#survey

Poll: Will Mr. Snapping Turtle be convicted?
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20051003190609990012&ncid=NWS00010000000001

Sally, how do you think the press conf. went over?

http://www.counterpunch.org/frank10042005.html

Cronyism and Capitulation

The Scoop on Harriet Miers

Unbelievable! Well, no, nothing's 'unbelievable' any more when it comes to Smirky&Co. The Supreme Court nominee is apparently even denser than the Secretary of State who didn't understand what "Bin Laden determined to strike in US" meant. This was just posted over at americablog.org:

It was Miers who handed Bush the famous "Bin Laden determined to strike in US" memo on Aug 6, 2001
by John in DC - 10/04/2005 01:21:00 PM

We ignore this at our own peril.

http://www.dailyrepublic.com/articles/2005/09/30/opinion_columnists/opinloguercio.txt

Sadly, Dieb-Throat doesn't disappoint

When I wrote last week's Dieb-Throat column about a whistleblower revealing security risks in Diebold touch-screen voting machines, I was deliberately setting myself up for a sucker punch. Go ahead, clean my clock. Make me see stars.
I awaited a deluge of feedback, ridiculing me for believing anything posted on a blog (www.bradblog.com), along with mountains of evidence showing that Diebold's machines are perfectly reliable and completely tamper-free, and that our election results were never and could never be secretly altered. I desperately wanted some snarky software geek to explain this to me in one of those "Jane, you ignorant slut" diatribes.
Why beg for such abuse, particularly when it's often offered freely without my prompting? Because I really, really, really wanted Dieb-Throat's allegations to be untrue. Wistful dreamer that I am, I believe in the democratic process. I believe my vote counts. I believe your vote counts. We may not vote the same way, but the fact that we vote at all matters.It's the very foundation of everything our country stands for. If our votes are meaningless, democracy is meaningless. Our country is meaningless. All you folks out there flying Old Glory on your front porches and SUV antennae, guess what - if our votes don't mean anything, then that flag's nothing more than a piece of colored cloth.
So, there I sat waiting, hoping to be cold-cocked. I wasn't. Not even a slap. Nor a pinch.
Does this mean the Dieb-Throat column was met with reader apathy? Did everyone just skip ahead to the crossword puzzle? Far from it. I got mail. Tons. More mail than my homicidal lesbian bunny ever generated. And here's the thing. These weren't just simple "you go, girl" pats on the back. I received lengthy, detailed e-mail from obviously well-educated people with computer software expertise, all extremely disturbed by the potential for voter fraud that existed in Diebold voting machines during the 2004 presidential election, and as far as anyone knows, still does.

More...

Thanks to all who sent good juju my way yesterday. While the outcome is still not known (as the honchos will have to make their determination on whether I'm being singled out for retribution because I filed a grievance), I can say that, for the first time in over a year, my boss actually spoke politely to me yesterday afternoon after he'd met with them, so there's at least a ray of hope - perhaps they explained to him how to treat someone with disabilities? Who knows where it might lead?

I could feel the support all the way out here in California - from being on the verge of anxiety attacks, suddenly I was calm and centered and totally without fear. That's pretty amazing, given that, at 58 and disabled, I'd be essentially unemployable if I was forced out of this job.

Astroworlders, you rock.

http://villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat/archive/001912.php

A lot in common with prez: She's a fundamentalist Christian, and her law firm bilked clients out of millions

Good on you, Baraka, for overcoming anxiety and fear!!! We'll keep sending those vibes until we hear from you again.

Morgana: What a masterful work of art. So, so interesting and so much to consider. Thank You.
First to AW's, I want to say that any legal conviction, not indictments alone, will have to be addressed by the Republican Congress....and they will be compelled to carry forward on them even if it means impeachment. They will be utterly ruined if they try to obstruct justice on such scandalous charges.
Dear gbs: Can you elaborate a little more on why you think newly appointed judicials would recuse themselves from any legal issues brought before them? Any legitimite conviction against the Bush gang will eventually reach the Supreme Court, as that is their modus operandi.
Why didn't Scialia, Renhquist, O'Connor, etc. recuse themselves in the 2000 election lawsuit? I must be missing something. The Bush/Cheney mindset is "if I do you a good turn, you will...YOU MUST, do me a good turn." I just dread the prospect of a Republican Congress unwilling to address the weighty issue of impeachment.
I believe like farrout, in that Bush is setting up loyalists who will eventually Pardon the whole lot.

Thanks Sally.....I do think Mars retro really got me. The good news is that now I have been able to meditate....my usual Arian Mars energy tends to have me distracted alot (but / and my progressed Mars conjuncts this T. Mars retro)....but now I am not so wired.

I admire how REAL astrologers (not just the afficianados like myself) can juggle so much stuff all the time...kudoes to you all...

Morgana, was just rereading your piece and noticed that you had mentioned the Death card in the tarot and went to my deck which is just major arcana cards...and it said "Transformation. Clearing away the old to make way for the new. Alteration. Abrupt change. Bad omen. Illness. Mishap. Loss of financial security. Bad investment."

Or all of the above.....

Went to the polls on Miers and DeLay....41% so far say no on Miers, but 31% don't know....with DeLay, 48% think he will be convicted!

Pretty interesting...

CHECK THIS OUT!!!!!!!
Remember that plane that was nabbed in Equatorial Guinea, involving Thatcher's son? We heard it here first, last summer!

October 4, 2005 -- DeLay scandal goes international. A Texas Grand Jury has brought two more indictments against Rep. Tom DeLay, in addition to an earlier criminal conspiracy indictment.
One of the largest investors in Equatorial Guinea's oil industry is Dallas-based Triton Energy, a firm that is close to George W. Bush. It has been a significant contributor to the Republican National Committee.

Thatcher was nabbed by South African police in Cape Town prior to his fleeing to Texas. His Texas-born wife Diane Burgdorf Thatcher, the conservative daughter of a Dallas millionaire care dealer, and their two children had already left South Africa for Texas. Thatcher had been under investigation by a special South African anti-corruption squad, code named the "Scorpions," since 1995. In 1994, Thatcher fled Texas for South Africa after he was charged with racketeering in a $6 million civil action. In January 2005, Thatcher pleaded guilty to violating South Africa's anti-mercenary laws and was fined $505,000 and allowed to leave for Britain. The United States denied Thatcher a visa to join his family in Texas. Last month, the couple announced that they were divorcing due to an "irretrievable breakdown."

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/
PQ

A but off subject.., but last spring, during the time of the eclipse, I was diagnosed w/ breast cancer. I had surgery at the time all within a weeks time, and since then I have been receiving chemotherapy.
Reading about the solar eclipse yesterday-- I found an interesting aspect. I have a 10 degree Libra Saturn in the first house, a 10 degree Cancer Uranus in the 11th house, and a 10 degree Aries Mercury (involved again) in the 7th house. I will have repeat bone, lung and liver scans next week. Based on the results of theses expected to be uneventful scans I could be considered cancer free. I found it interesting that an eclipse figured prominently at the beginning and hopefully the end of treatment.

((((((((Helen))))))))))
Hope your scans turn out well, and you are cancer free.

On PBS pRez is trying to sell Harriet.........he hasn't convinced me. She isn't going to change and if he thought she would, he wouldn't choose her. I'm so impressed!
She will save him from going to prison for war crimes.

This is so strange.............I get news online and then turn on the TV, and I might be in another country!
ABC is still dwelling on that tour boat that overturned several days ago..............CBS, the abandoned child with the murdered Mother
Lou Dobbs interviewed Judith Miller, what a PHONEY...............
PQ

There is more at stake then what we see on the surface with "Old Maid Harriet". See is a Constructionist.....Be afraid, be very afraid....Keeping the Fiend out of jail is minor compared to what will take place when the bench is loaded with wing nuts....I am starting to look for a job in other countries....France, Australia, and Canada for starters.....

Pat Q - Makes you wonder doesn't. The "real" news does not get reported through the media, but everyday accurances are blown into histerical porportions.

Are we the only ones awake? Are we awake for a reason? Or are we suffering some sort of cruel joke that no one else see's? Frankly, I am at a loss.

Again why is nothing being done?

Does anyone really believe that the cretins will be taken down? Myself, I don't think so anymore. These people have gotten away with murder their whole lives. Why do we expect something to happen that will expose them for the crooks they are?

I am giving up on the fantasy that things will get better. I only "see" them getting worse and worse. Save your money, stock up on supplies and be ready to flee this hell hole of a country if needed.

Cybear, Pat QOP, I am with you both. It's going to be even more "stacked" when Mr. Bush gets to "pick" a replacement for Alan Greenspan, the first of the year or there abouts. I have my sights set on the whole works collapsing before then. Do you ever wonder if that will really happen, that good politicians are already in place and ready to step in until we can get a legitimate election to gether? I have never been prone to fantasy, but do think that something big is in the works, but it's not intuition either, because I am not strong in that. We don't really even need a president. Couldn't we go back to the Greek system of a House/Senate? Restructured and refined, ofcourse.

Cybear.....how interesting, we are both talking in opposite directions about three minutes apart.

Yes, I am hoping the lopsided situation in Washington does collapse, and a part of me believes it. Restoring some balance has been long overdue. I look at a lot of U.S. predictions, but none of the astrologers really predict a crumble, just mostly chaos.

For 66 years my intuition has been correct. I have run into trouble when I ignored it or tried to skew it. Makes it hard to live through these times. Those rightwing sleepers who so enthusiastically call in to Cspan set myt teeth on edge!
I guess my awareness is increasing, now that I'm not preoccupied. Like removing dark glasses.

Why are they (TV) harping on the avian flue endlessly, who will bring it, the Bushites???????
ANd 2 shows had segments on China tonight. how they are flourishing.........
My income has now been exceeded by the cost of my minimul lifestyle!!!!!!!! At least I can make it to Quebec City on 1 tank of diesel fuel in my car!!!!!!!
So I better stop chatting and go get to work. Have to start burning the midnight oil.
I hope you are right Beverly!
PQ

~Morgana! Hej,
Terrific story as well as insightful astrology. i love how you wove the myth and set everything into a rhythm with the autumn equinox. It really spoke to me - as the wise woman speaks before the ceremonial autumn fire-listen to what the universe wishes you to comtemplate during the "going inward" cycle.

i'm sitting under azure skies but the wind off the pacific is strong and carries a chill all the way inland to this desert, your fall is carried on its back PoQ.
~PoQ
As to your mound that you wish to protect with not too many days to secure it before the rains come...consider a trick we used planting trees on a steep mountainside up north after an autumsn forest fire...burlap. Place long stips of burlap over the earth. We used small sticks to peg it then we layered mulch over it, the beauty is the burlap rots pretty quickly and you can cut little incisions into it if you wish to plant now.

Good reads from all as usual. Thanks, you keep me connected on these days when i could easily get lost in building and gardening.

i felt the shift bagin some weeks ago and anticipate something good will come of it.

Poll needs help: Role for US military in cases of domestic emergencies?
http://www.cnn.com/

Skylurker i went and voted and was surprised that so many voted no, not nearly enough, but i rather suspect that most americans would give way to the military without realizing the implication of martial law.
and just soooo...Bush is still trying for martial law. Perhaps this is what lies behind the Avian flu pandemic hype.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/04/bush.avianflu/index.html

The Bush Regime, along with DeLay, the Thatchers, Cheney, the NeoCons, Clintons, and everyone else in on the big "game" are all playing their part. The problem (for them) is that they don't yet realize which part. Or maybe they do, but they haven't read the next act.

Somebody in authority is going to be swept away during the coming Uranus-Pluto Square of 2012-2015 when the people finally rise up and fight back against an increasingly oppresive, entirely self-serving and tyrannical power regime. It couldn't happen to a more miserable bunch of thugs, thieves and cowards.

Then again, maybe I'm too optimistic?

CNN poll

It's still 45% no to 55% yes ( should military be used?)

What would the military do during a flue epidemic? Shoot the sick?
6 - 10 years is too far away!
PQ

Pat QofP - I'm with you on the intuition. Mine seems to be getting sharper and sharper and I am really getting nervous about what I am picking up from the cosmos. I think the Bird Flu is already here and it's just a few months until it gets to where it cannot be hidden any longer. Doctors are prescibing hardcore antibiotics for chest colds here in Houston. Makes you wonder what they are being told, or what they already know.

Beverly - Like a crooked card game, the cards are being stacked in the necroporns favor. My gut says they are about to pull something big. Martial law is just around the corner. Actually it's already here. It's just a matter of time before we are "attacked" again and then they will have total control of the game. I really believe that they are planning something bigger than 911 to fulfill their unholy agenda. My predictions are for December. Possibly 12/21, 22, or 23rd. I keep waking up at 12:22am, have been for years and lately I seem to always look at the clock at 12:22 or 12:23. My guides are telling me to get ready, things are going to change in ways we could not ever imagine. Also, an old medicine man (real) friend says that something big will happen on 12/22, but he can't pin point the year, but he is also nervous.

tseka - There has been a shift in the energies, but shift has been to the negative. Take a look around and you may see it clearly. This is global, not local....On the surface it looks positive, but see through the illusion and you will see it's dark origins. We are in the calm before the storm right now and it's a matter of time before the proverbial sh*t hits the fan.

NeoB - I think they know exactly what they are doing. It's all about the New World Order that Ronnie Raygun dreamed up. They are trying to manifest a xian biblical myth. Radical politics and radical religion are a deadly mixture. We are in perilous times....

http://dailykos.com/story/2005/9/29/194828/282

BREAKING: NEO-CON LARRY FRANKLIN WILL PLEAD GUILTY Update: Niger Doc Seal!
by Sherlock Google
Thu Sep 29th, 2005 at 16:48:28 PDT

This fellow worked at the DIA, and also worked directly under Wolfowitz and Feith as top Iran analyst for the Neo-Cons. He's cooperating with the FBI supposedly.

He's also associated with Michael Leeden.

Pentagon Analyst to Plead Guilty to Leak

There is a lot more to this, follow the links.

.................

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Conservative_Republican_senator_hints_he_could_1004.html

Conservative senator hints he could lead fight against nominee

.................

Posted on the 911 - Unanswered Questions thread on Salon by Jo:

Justin Raimondo has two articles of interest here:

... Readers will be particularly interested in the entry dated Aug. 6, 2001 – the date of the recently released Presidential Daily Briefing (PDB) – which notes:

"Instead of the usual two or three pages, today's briefing paper consists of eleven and a half printed page and carries the title 'Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.'"
The version released by the White House is barely a page and a half long. Is the White House holding back? That question, I believe, can safely be modified to read: What is the White House holding back?

In any case, read Schrom's piece: it couldn't be more timely.

Deadly Mistakes

by Oliver Schröm

translated from Die Zeit October 2, 2002

http://www.antiwar.com/article.php?articleid=2305

and

April 14, 2004

Redaction Alert!

White House edits Aug. 6 presidential briefing, then claims it's been 'declassified.'

by Justin Raimondo

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=2306

Cybear-
You comments about December reminded me of Nancy's most recent article here so I checked it out and found this paragraph that made my hair stand up:

"One aspect of great concern is the progressed US Moon opposing US Pluto from mid-December 2005 through mid-January 2006. While the Venus/Saturn combination suggests a time of sorrow, the Moon/Pluto combination suggests a time of intense emotional turmoil and fear. Combined, as they are in the latter weeks of December and the first weeks of January, they strongly suggest some painful and disturbing emotional experience for at least some part of the country."

Can anyone expound on this aspect and all of its possible meanings?

Pat QOP,

Every warm day means one more day that the gas/oil/electric companies can't take all our money.

Even if Meier is confirmed, if Shrub is impeached she cannot prevent it. The congress is already splitting. One more huge gaff and the fecal matter will come back to choke the already fetid crew. I really think 2006 is going to be our year. The threads are spinning, the tapestry is beginning to take shape. Please be patient...one domino at a time.

Let Shrub's Jupiter play on and on and on. Pearl Harbor was attacked on a bright sunny day when Jupiter and Venus were conjunct. Jupiter is not always good luck...he can be careless, sloppy, arrogant and indescriminate. And Venus has a very, very dark side. Ceres is pretty pissed off and Saturn will grind on.

Keep the faith. And keep writing letters, screaming at your leaders and non-leaders, ever vigilant of dirty tricks and pustulant maneuvers. Four years ago Cindy Sheehan, Downing Street, Valerie Plame had not even been in our imagination. These factors are not going away and more will come our way.

Pustulant...one huge, oozing mass of toxic biological matter...Karl Rove's brain. Sepsis in 2006.

Cybear,

I don't think Reagan was deep and imaginative enough to conjure up by himself, something as comprehensive as the NWO. This was in the works well before his time -- probably going back to Rockefeller and the original American Robber Barons, and the jingoist/imperialist British elitists, picking up on various Nazi/fascist influences along the way.

It will all play out, of course. But not at all likely in the way they had planned.

Thanks for the hearty belly laugh Beasley! Last sentance was a doozey!
I just watched Bill Clinton in NO walking the streets, talking to people and touching them. Tonight I believe in him. That was too real to be acting or pursuing an agenda!
Now to read Pat C's contribution above. Looks promising.
PQ

NEOBuckeye - Your probably right, I just remember how RR used it as a mantra and brought the term into current times. Poppy B also pushed it as well.

Garry - Spooky isn't it? It could be a natural disaster, such as an earthquake on the west coast, but I'm not ruling out anything with these bastards. I have had the 12:22 thing happening for about 20 years now and I have come across others who have the same thing occuring it make's me wonder if there's something to it. Nancy's article confirms it in a way that something big will happen near in that time frame.

Sounds like this will be a very "Merry Christmas" that no one will soon forget.

Gerry, the progressed Moon opposes Pluto every 25-27 years or so. Also in-between those 25-27 years there are squares and conjunctions to Pluto. A progressed Moon oppose Pluto is sometimes death of a woman, arguments with a woman, power struggles with women (now that might begin for this country) The opposition is from the 8th to the 2nd house, so it could be money or the expected shift of the majority of the world's money and how it is spent falls to women (that fact is already here and by 2010 it is expected that women will "control" not own, but "control" 95 percent of all the money spent in the world. In this Century, the Moon opposed Pluto around 1923 and the good times were rolling in the USA, again it opposed in 1951, the US was moving toward it's largest expansion ever (the post-war building period) in 1978 Carter was having problems and we were in an oil crisis, but an initiative had been launched for alternative fuel sources.

Frankly one can find as many positives as negatives in the coming charts (except for the Mars retrograde) we can look out beyond us and choose to see hope or despair. George Bush and his friends see fear and despair, and Bill Clinton plunging into that black mold, diseased, foul smelling city of NO and was bounding around shaking hands.

I was so taken with the post above of the person "tending their garden" and thought with a smile that transits have come and gone through the centuries, fear has risen and fallen, disasters have happened but there are people always "tending their gardens," doing their jobs with as much care and love as they can muster. That is the true gift of earth and humanity.

For every Leo, Scorpio, Taurus, and Aquarius struggling under the transit of Saturn, there is Sagittarius,Gemini, Libra, and Aries that are feeling that yoke lift a little from them and will soon see they have made solid gains. And Cancers? God bless the Cancers they are starting to feel free for the first time in over two years (unless they have a bunch of Leo planets.)

Martial Law? Even the Military is against it. It is so past time for my old study hall buddy, little "Dickie Myers" to retire, go home to KC (or wherever he lives now) and let a better man take his place. But if the DOD puts foot soldiers on the streets with guns to take the place of the police with guns, doubtful we will rise up against it, but the Governors might, they do not want to give up their state power. Letting events unfold is often times better than projecting into the future, thereby creating what we project, so it will be waiting for us when we actually get there.

I kind of think the "shift" we are all feeling is a positive one, or a positive direction. The jokes are flying fast and furiously on late night about this president, and the audiance is laughing, this is a good thing.

Well Morgana,

You sure covered a lot of ground, or more accurately, a lot of sky. Thanks for the charts.

Did you notice that Autumn Ingress Uranus squares natal USA Uranus? It's not going to be a quiet autumn. Americans are just not going to go back to couch potato status. The revolted are revoluting. The genie is out of the bottle, and the toothpaste can't be pushed back in the tube :) Americans and the World have seen
exactly how incompetent, clueless, beyond ineffectual mr. all hat, no cattle is. There are no words to describe the humongous extent of his failure. Watch that AI Uranus in Pisces in the 12th. It not only speaks of highly tense emotions, but more surprises to come. Floods? oil? illnesses being hidden?

I don't remember whether I read it or heard it, but the flu is in many countries that are not admitting it. They are keeping it quiet.

My thoughts have, along with yours, been on Xena.

Coming soon to a neighborhood near you: the century of the warrior princess.

That's what I was thinking too. Just as Pluto brought in the makings of THE bombs, Xena seems to be saying, it's time for THE women. And it has been the women stirrig the pot: Plame, Sybil, Cindy, and who next? It may be that the next president will be a woman... I'm certainly not thrilled with Hillary, nor the republicans pushing condosleesa.

He just doesn't let go of bringing down martial law does he? Tried to pull it on Madame Blanco, but that didn't work, now preparing Americans that they'll have to be "isolated" if the flu hits. hmmmmm. Leper colonies? that is what some areas around New Orleans were originally you know,
leper colonies. Well, I guess if he's going to declare martial law, he'll have to bring everyone home from Iraq - cause he sure doesn't have enough National Guard here. And where is he going to put all those people. Fema trailers? that don't seem to exist? Guard the borders of the towns? the same way he's guarding the borders between Mexico and Canada.

You know - he's dreaming. Hallucinating on the poisonous visions put in his head long ago by Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rove, and maybe even his grandfather.

But be of good cheer. the powers that be are workig their way up the ladder. Rove, DeLay, Frist, and next is Cheney. They would never leave Cheney in place and he has to be indicted or forced to resign before they can start impeachment against the failure.

The media is talking about how there isn't any swagger on him lately. Gee. You think something finally got through to him? Naah. He would never admit to himself that he's hated, that he's been caught in his lies, that everything he touches turns to sh-t. He's just scared. And they probably told him he can't take another vacation.

Anybody notice he was slurring his words today?

I thought he always slurred his words.

It sounded to me like 'weaponsh of mash
deshtrukshun'.

WOW! Superb posts from all! What a way to begin the day!

Sally, your thoughtful post was a dose of fresh air. We must all continue to develop our skills, despite the energy of chaos. A balance will be found. It is a Universal Law, the only law we must all abide by.

Like Cybear and others, i have long felt that a progression of events are taking place with the intent to control populations, currency and land mass. I'm also inclined to believe that the reason for suggesting that the military be placed in charge of any future "event" is purposeful for another reason. Robbery. Filter more money to the Department of Defense. This is what would occur were we to militarize. It's all terribly short sighted and will utterly fail. An impoverished population cannot support a strong military. The handwriting is already on the wall in this regard.

Having had a couple of intense days (regarding above events) I'm going to do the only thing that obfuscates the stress. Work in my garden. ;)

karen

Should Oregon's Death with Dignity law stand?
Yes, terminally ill people should have the right to physician-assisted suicide.
No, physician-assisted suicide is not a legitimate medical practice.
Undecided

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/popup?id=1180512

There's a picture of Bush this morning on CNN's website displaying Bush's reaction. The picture fits!
Bush would not only quarantine regions of the country he'd then 'cleanse the region' another way to get rid of the poor and the people of color who were "contaminated". Oh brother, someone stop these guys!

The picture of George though speaks a zillion words about his current mind set! heehee

Bush military bird flu role slammed

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/05/bush.reax/index.html

What the hell was that??? Did the sight just get hacked???

Sure doesn't look like French to me....

Tried to vote on the issue of the military, and discovered that CNN's replaced that one (probably because it wasn't going the way they'd hoped!) and now they're on to "Should New Orleans be rebuilt?" - and the NO's are taking it about 3-to-2 - go help if you'd like: http://www.cnn.com/

As to what to do when things are falling apart - like so many others here, I vote for gardening. There's just something so essentially grounding about it (if you'll pardon the pun) and the beauty and bounty that results is so healing.

I, too, have been feeling that sense that things have GOT to change - but I don't think there's a chance that the ineffective Democrats can do much of anything. Perhpas it's time for politics to radically shift into something that will be female -oriented? I think both major parties are so completly invested in their powerplays and games that there's no hope for any meaningful change.

Baraka

Dropped Capt'n Sally a note earlier about our foreign language entry. She can get rid of it. I would if I could.

Baraka, there's noise about a third party, I want a cleaned Dem house and senate for both parties, the corruption stinks on both sides of the aisle. btw saw that Paul Hackett is running for the senate seat :)

Garry....hahahahh that is cute! because it looked like Greek to me...

Sally.....thanks for reminding me that Geminis are no longer struggling as badly....on the other hand, I have a huge amount of Leo planets/asteroids. And my daughter has T. Saturn squaring her 8 Taurus natal Saturn....depression, they name is Emily....

As for the quarantines.....remember when the Avian flu hit Canada pretty hard...and they DID quarantine to keep it from spreading, and they stopped it. and perhaps some of those methods will be used.

The whole mood for myself picked up today....article in the SF Chronicle on a community in Pt. Arenas, No. Cal, which has resurrected itself by itself and for itself without outside help....because that is their philosophy. One woman who moved from Santa Cruz 20 years ago said she felt Santa Cruz had no plan, that it was out of control....so she and her husband packed up and moved up there....517 people, and they used basic critical thinking and hard work and have revived this whole community. I think this is what we will all have to do. Unless it is already out of control in the communities we do live in....probably only a few people here live in a community of 517 people!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/10/05/MNGVLF2LG21.DTL

I should also mention, in terms of community, a second article on the houseboat community in Sausalito, CA (where my ex art partner has a tiny tiny little boat)....it, too, is so close to nature and you have to park your car and walk for long distances on piers past all the neighbors, and it has a strong sense of community also. My friend has said it, and the article said it....so different from radiation, this nuclear community!

Strong feelings that this will be a theme soon....

thanks Judi G, it did look like Greek, but the email address ended in .fr, which is why I made the French comment......

also, if anyone's interested, here's a link to a local(Nashville TN) blog hosted by our alt weekly(Nashville Scene--owned by the Village Voice)---it's about Frist and his "blind trust"...also, please read the lengthy 2nd comment after it by a supposed whistleblower within HCA, the Frist's corporation...

http://www.nashvillescene.com/blog/pitw/archives/00000617.shtml

Garry, since i live in Tennessee as well, i've been following Frist for awhile. This arrogant, "good people beget good people" is quite the simpleton despite his medical credentials. I've told the story on this site before how he treated a friend of mine, who happens to be a community activist and from Pakistan. It was beyond deplorable. Let's hope he goes down big time.

On a personal note. . .I'm excited to have been able to post more lately. I've finished The Summons, first installment of Sixth Evolution. . .a series of books.

Six readers have been highly complimentary.

I'll be remitting the manuscript to DAW Books, or upon suggestion of any AWers, to another publisher of sci-fi and/or visionary fiction and friendly to first-time writers.

Though I've begun the second book in the series, i'm taking a sneak breaks here and in the gardens (which are now abundant with spinach, kale and collard greens. YUM!!!!)

karen

Garry, I have posted a number of times about the Frist connection to HCA....the family dynasty. Or die nasty.

Saw lots of exposes on Columbia Humana back in the 1990's on PBS....going into communities and bribing county supervisors to sell off the county hospitals (one supe got 250K to vote HCA's way). Then they took these places which were built by taxpayer monies and stripped them of assets and sold them off. Leaving communities with no care .....

will read your URL!

Karen farrout
Wow fabulous good luck, i wish you wild success!

Just stepping out of the shower where i'm chipping out and replacing old grout...not as fun as gardening which i was at for a few hours earlier, mars retro(in my 2nd house) appears to be repair, rebuild, renew what i value.

Judi ja i remember the Humana stories and the model continues, our small local hospital was the victim of takeover a coupla years ago and (Brim) recently tried to bamboozle tax payers into an assessment for a trauma center, a complete hoax but was put forward in a special election with lots of money poured into advertising. The community voted it down much to my surprise.

I loved your comments on community building, this is where i have been focusing my attention in the past few years. I have stuckout like a sore thumb in a fundamentalist / military environment, someone who was deemed odd but relatively harmless...one of the shifts i notice is how that attitude has changed, both toward me and my ideals. The flags have disappeared and there is more questioning of what patriotism and honoring country means. Subtle changes mostly and i still feel like an anamoly here, but am more hopeful than i have been in years.

tseka, Hi....here is the URL to the Sausalito events and story....my art partner lives on one of the boats, and is painting up a storm for the sale of art they have along with the tour of the boat homes....http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/10/05/HOGQDF2ETK1.DTL&hw=Sausalito+houseboat+tour&sn=001&sc=1000

Over at americablog.org, they are reporting a rumor that the indictments from Fitzgerald are imminent and could number up to 22. Oh, man!!

Speaking of numbers, Karen Tulmulty (Time) mentioned on Sunday's "Unconventional Wisdom" -WGN, am. Chicago, that Sixteen, Full-time FBI agents are employed on the Abermoff Investigation! Sixteen!, Full-time.

And, simply fantastic conversation here today from everyone. Thanks!

October is going to be a DOOZY;already first 3 days has seen stock market go down 35,95,125 points exponential BIG drops.Now will come the indictment news from Pat Fitzgerald and that news
will be the worst for this crony administration. So
you have seen nothing yet this October 2005!

And shylurker, I have not read your blog above, when I blogged in my October doozy surprise above.
After that, when I read your americablog, looks like my WISH is going to be TRUE!

Shy, It would be great to see indictments in Plame, but at 22 of them, rove would become an insignificant drop in the bucket in the bigger pot of 22. Don't know why they would care to comment on him. His distance from the president could be that he is off to NOLO, busy as the head man for reconstruction.

Wasn't there a list on the net last summer showing possibility of 22 names as being a party to the outing? I'm just throwing this out, no need to comment.

Not as important as the blogs spots above.....but referriing back to the community idea..........................

A student at Unity College is taking his school project on the road. It's a portable chemistry lab used to make biodiesel fuel.
( Unity 3 hours south of me)

http://www.wlbz.com/home/article.asp?id=27255
Maybe I could start a business making homemade doughnuts; then process the used oil to heat the house! ????????????
Great posts.....great news.
Passed on the news about Delay & Thatcher to Michauds aid today. She was fascinated!
PQ

Important info. on Dept. of Commerce banning interviews by Weather Service Employees to the media without specific clearance. See conyersblog.us Find under the Richard Cohen article, which is must read....but the DOC leaked e-mails are down in the body of the comments section. Wonder if they are trying to stifle truth on the number dead.

OMG
Right below the 22 indictments on Americablog.
Pretty ballsy of Harriet Miers....................................Her OWN blog
click on it & read!
Another case of arrested development like Condi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you think it is real????

Karen; Good luck, I hope they publish! That would be wonderful.
PQ

Pat QOP, I saw that too, but am not in the mood for stupidity right now. It can't be real...I don't think.

Ja, Pat QoP isn't it fascinating how we can run our diesels on used fast food grease? My 23 yr old isuzu still gets 45 or more miles to a gallon now there is a novel idea...an economy pickup and it has 350,000 miles on it, been across the strait of Georgia twice on a landing craft, used her for logging she has put in some rugged years...i'm still waiting for them to lift the ban on their import...
Acres of land around the central valley of caifornia could be growing fuel -know what i think? it is in the works, who owns it now??? Haliburton, i kid you not.

My son informs me that folks at Texas A&M have developed a small nuclear plant that can fit in a two car garage it is a novel approach to nuclear generation that is clean -uses naturally occuring boron, so anywhere there was once a sea and that is pretty much everywhere on the planet is a fuel source. Apparently it is based on tesla theories. I await more news and will pass it on.

Avian Flu is scary. What is even scarier is the person Smirky&Co have in charge of response:
http://www.transparentgrid.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2005/10/05/1174/

No wonder they want to commandeer the military domestically; they've appointed completely incompetent idiots to important posts. And I don't think they even know that.

Shylurker,

Cannot pull americablog.com...nor americablog.blogspot.com nor anything. Page temporarily out of service...did I do something wrong or is this another hmmmmm event?

Duuno, Beasley. I hope it'll get straightened out in a few mins. Folks over at DU are reporting the same thing.

Thanks Shylurker.

Just got it off Afterdownstreet.org as well.
They have 21 of the characters with pictures to boot.

All-
here's a link to thinkprogress.org with the scandal info--

http://www.thinkprogress.org/leak-scandal

The Avian flu is working its way all over Asia where people live with the chickens and geese in their houses, walk barefoot, sleep on dirt floors and essentially live in conditions that are centuries backward.

It occurs to me that the Avian flu of 1918 which I learned tonight they called
the Spanish flu at the time, was at a time when people butchered their own chickens and pulled their feathers, or bought the chicken and pulled its feathers...in other words had close contact with poultry and not very good refrigeration either.

We don't have that kind of close contact with chickens and birds in the West anymore. And I haven't pulled any feathers/quills out of a chicken for my grandmother since I was about 6 or 7 yeas old.

What bothers me more is that American scientists have a "sample" of the 1918 flu that they are fooling around with.

1) Where the hell did they get it?

and

2) every time our scientists fool around with some virus, they let loose things like West Nile Virus.. aids, and
get my drift?

Wasn't there a lot of information floating around four or so years ago about "biological" weapons?

And as I recall, the only companies which make the anti-viruses , or have the right to make them have been sold to England...and were they connected to
Carlyle, Cheney, or Rumsfeld? One of those.

There's lots of profit in killing people for this administration.

If these indictments turn out to be real and not a rumor that is a "positive" thing and shows a shift in thinking. BUT, the "negative" side of the coin will be what these SOB's do to try and save their asses. My fear is they will do anything to take the attention off of these indictments and to further their agenda.

Dirty Bomb anyone???

That is why I say to look beyond the illusion and you will see what really is....

December 2005 to January 2006....Get ready, our world may forever be changed.

Here's the article from FT.com

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Main page content:
Killer flu of 1918 caused by bird virus
By Clive Cookson, Science Editor
Published: October 5 2005 19:32 | Last updated: October 5 2005 19:32

The virus responsible for the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic, which killed an estimated 50m people worldwide, has been reconstructed by genetic engineering in a high-security US laboratory.

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Preliminary studies show that it is an avian flu virus that mutated to spread quickly between people just as many experts fear will happen soon with the current H5N1 strain of bird flu in Asia. Details of the project are published today in the journals Science and Nature. The US National Institutes of Health approved the research, despite its apparent risk, because it will help scientists find new treatments for the most dangerous types of flu.

The Centres for Disease Control laboratory in Atlanta made a live virus with the full genetic sequence of Spanish flu, using an engineering technique called “reverse genetics” developed at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York.

“We felt we had to recreate the virus and run these experiments to understand the biological properties that made the 1918 virus so exceptionally deadly,” said Terrence Tumpey, head of the CDC team. “We wanted to identify the specific genes responsible for its virulence, with the hope of designing antivirals or other interventions that would work against virulent influenza viruses.”

The key genetic data for the experiment came from the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology in Washington DC. Over the past eight years scientists there have pieced together the entire Spanish flu genome, from viral fragments isolated from preserved lung samples of patients who died in 1918 and from a female victim whose body was fortuitously frozen in Alaskan permafrost.

-more on Ft.com

why was the Armed Forces Institute working on putting back together the Spanish flu for the past 8 years?

Pallas - And notice how all of a sudden it is all over the media. I too am very leary that they will release the virus into the world population.

Sr. Chavez and Mr. Danger to meet next month. Oh, to be there!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1830484

Sally and other astrologers:

VENUS TRANSITS and FLU OUTBREAKS

Regarding the 1918 flu, this site discusses connections between flu outbreaks and Venus transits.

"It was found that the onsets of six confirmed Lockyer major microbial invasions occurred, on average, 55 days following inferior conjunctions of Venus, when accompanied by strong geomagnetic storms..."

Venus.http://www.ebicom.net/~rsf1/vel/1918.htm

Can you elaborate on any of this?

this is something I posted about on the last thread, the expedition to Greenland or Iceland, I can't remember, but to a town where many young soldiers died of the Spanish Flu (or Swine Flu as they also called it). It was a couple of years ago, maybe 2001 or so, I think....but I am quoting from memory. They found the buried bodies of the young men frozen in the ground where they were buried, kept un -decayed to a great level because of the frozen ground. They took SAMPLES from the lung tissues...! That is how they got the samples....the lungs had simply not deteriorated.

Dear all,
I've been following this (Avian flu)for about two years, while the threat is real the politics of the moment is diturbing indeed...there is good reason to be alarmed.
Here is one place you can get homeopathic information...i would ad to the medicines listed in this article, Crotalus Horridus (rattlesnake venom) which i found was also used in the 1918 influenza for the hemorhaggic symptoms.
>snip
the epidemic medicine for the 1918 Spanish flu was Gelsemium (with Bryonia and Eupatorium as secondary prescriptions), which has also been the appropriate medicine for many other flu seasons.
>snip
A report to the American Institute of Homeopathy in 1921 documented the dramatic success of homeopathy in the worst flu pandemic in history. The death rate of 24,000 flu cases under conventional medical care in that study was 28.2 percent, while the death rate of 26,000 cases treated with homeopathy was a nearly miraculous 1.05 percent.
http://www.cure-guide.com/Flu/Homeopathy_and_the_Flu/homeopathy_and_the_flu.html

find more by googling:homeopathy 1918 influenza

Guess where they got the sample from. I am a person who remembers obscure facts from the news when we had news.
They dug up dead bodies in Alaska. They had a list of people who died from the flu acording to old newspapers and church records and dug up several bodies but did not think they had a sample. Some dead people obvisouly died of other causes.
Later they went to a coutry in Scandanavia where a graveyard was being moved and got the samples.
They wanted a frozen sample.bjt

hmm disturbing heh about the hemorrhagic misspelling

Sorry Judi G. I wrote before I read your post.bjt

If anyone has any DOUBT about what the conservatives are trying to achieve in stearing this country into the right hand ditch, this article on the conservatives revolt against Harriet Miers ought to confirm it...http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/05/AR2005100502200_pf.html

Betsey, no it is GREAT....we both read and remembered the same things...

Cool....and I will remind people again that my mother's entire family got it...she was 9-10 years old, the oldest of 3 then....sick for a week, and bleeding from the nose....unconscious. Can there be anythng scarier? Her dad was the only one who didn't get sick right away. After a week when everyone was getting better, he came down with it. My mother is now the only survivor of her family...at 96.

Dear God. These guys really are as bad as the Nazis.

I feel like I've been sucked into a very bad horror movie, where the bad men are bent on total world domination at any cost. The average citizenry remains totally oblivious to this fact, and the "hero" who would normally step forward to confront and beat the villians has either been incapacitated, trapped. Or is down and out somewhere struggling to find his courage.

Can't anyone rise up and stop these bastards??

How do you talk to someone off line?bjt

tseka you are a angel. Thank you.

THE FIEND IS INSANE

He is hearing voices that he believes is god. Un-F'ing believable.

BBC will report Bush told Palestinian leaders that God
told him to end tyranny in Iraq

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Bush_allegedly_told_Palestinian_leaders_God_1006.html

NeoBuckeye - I'm with you and I feel like I am in a neverending nightmare. I really think that they will continue to get away with whatever the do, nothing will stop them. The train is speeding down the tracks and headed for disaster.

Not a damn thing will happen with the indictments and if they do, see my post above regarding what they will pull to divert the attention away from them.

The Poodle just threw gasoline onto the already raging fire.

Up Next, War with Iran.

Blair: Iran or Hezbollah Involved in Iraq

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051006/ap_on_re_eu/britain_iraq

NEObuckeye, Cybear
I wake up most days and I find myself in a state of fear or in a complete rage. Just listened to Bush’s speech and almost lost my breakfast . . . How can anyone still buy his big load of hot horse manure!. . . .shameful - disgusting

Starrynights, we share your sentiments.. Morning all I slept through Bush's morning rallying cry... thank goodness!

Do you think "staying the course" in Iraq is the right thing to do?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080261/#survey

Al Gore: 'The threat to American democracy'

I came here today because I believe that American democracy is in grave danger.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080261/#survey

Opps, Gore yesterday....

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=23048&mode=nested&order=0

Yuppers! Katrina, Rita -- all the hurricans -- seem an apt metaphor for what's occuring. We're in a storm of unimaginable dimension. And, the web of illustion, that's entrapped entire populaces, reaches around the world. When one thread unravels, it will affect every other thread. The dissolution, of what we've come to know as reality, is in warp speed.

Morgana, poll is now @ 70% against staying the course in Iraq. The dope on the rope ain't gonna like this! especially after the inane speech he made this morning.

Thank you all for your encouraging comments re: book. The publishing world is as difficult a challenge as it is to write a book.

Interestingly, i began this book over fourteen years ago. One of the drastic occurences in the book is the use of a viral agent to thin the population. Sigh.

karen

http://villagevoice.com/news/0540,webmondo2,68584,6.html

The Whistleblower and Harriet Miers
Questions linger about Court nominee's time with Texas Lottery

http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/05/10/ale05154.html

Al Gore on The Threat to American Democracy

"The subjugation of news by entertainment seriously harms our democracy: it leads to dysfunctional journalism that fails to inform the people."

Miers’ Church Website Altered Recently, Statements on Abortion & Homosexuality Removed
For 25 years, Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers has attended the evangelical Valley View Christian Church in Dallas, Texas. Conservatives have pointed to her church ties as evidence of her ideological underpinnings, and the Los Angeles Times noted today that Miers has left “little evidence of her own values and convictions, beyond her commitment to her church.”
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/06/miers-church-website/

did gwb stop drinking, or is God telling him more:
BBC will report Bush told Palestinian leaders that God
told him to end tyranny in Iraq

I will now go scour the Phrophecies pages to see if there is something about a drunk born again Xian saving the middle east...or destroying it. And who he know the difference?

Hi, Judi G., Was this comment that the BBC will report about part of his Stay The Course speech today? Or more simply, is this something he said just recently?

God does talk to Mr. Bush though. This is what he told M. Abbass on a visit to Palestine, apparently the summer, 2004. Quote...
"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instruted me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."

This was reported at the time in several news publications. A picture was shown also of the two gentlemen standing near the beach side.

Cybear--I am sorry I didn't see your post about the BBC Documentary on Bush before I posted. I wouldn't have wasted judi g's time with my question.

Well here we go....threat warning for the NY subway. sigh

Beverly, to clarify...I thnk this is a NEW piece from the BBC, but based on 2003 meeting at which Bush said all of the stuff about God talking to him....(Pluto must have been doing something to him at that point). Well madness and prophecizing go hand in hand, I tell ya!

For more fun with Bush's brain, go here: http:www.markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/

Interesting study on the brains of liars....and then you ask ....is this evolution or devolution?

Pat C....WHAT??????

The noose ir really tighteneing hard around the cronies' necks now.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/06/cialeak.rove.ap/index.html

Like Crocodile Dundee says that's not a knife, this is the real knife, I'll say last year was not
the October surprise, prepare for real October surprise NOW, this year!

Judi, yes, very nebulous of course. Not confirmable, of course, but a big headline of course.

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?emx=x&pid=27240

Mike Davis, Has the Age of Chaos Begun?

Discussions of "tipping points" have, in recent times, largely been relegated to the war in Iraq where such moments, regularly predicted by the Bush administration, never arrive. In the meantime, an actual tipping point may have been creeping up on us on another front entirely, one that is anathema to this administration -- that of climate change.

The latest news from scientists laboring in cold climes has been startling. The expanse of Arctic sea ice has been shrinking in the summer since the late 1970s, though usually rebounding to near normal levels in the winter. Until recently. For the last few years, winter ice cover has been shrinking as well. This will be the fourth consecutive year of record, or near record, shrinkage of September sea ice in the Arctic. Scientists speculate that a threshold has been crossed.

"Experts at the U.S. National Snow and Data Center in Colorado," writes David Adam, environmental correspondent for the British Guardian, "fear the [Arctic] region is locked into a destructive cycle with warmer air melting more ice, which in turn warms the air further. Satellite pictures show that the extent of Arctic sea ice this month dipped some 20% below the long term average for September -- melting an extra 500,000 square miles, or an area twice the size of Texas. If current trends continue, the summertime Arctic Ocean will be completely ice-free well before the end of this century."

More...

FIORE IS THE BEST!!!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2005/10/05/fioregops.DTL

Pat C, read the latest from Wayne Madsen:

October 6, 2005 -- After it was reported that Karl Rove had agreed to give further testimony to the Grand Jury investigating the CIA leak, Rove's attorney Robert Luskin denied his client had received a target letter from special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, a formal "heads up" sent to individuals who are about to be indicted. However, it is being reported from well-informed sources throughout Washington that 1) target letters have been sent to Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, and Ari Fleischer; 2) Rove has agreed to testify and possibly agree to a plea bargain agreement in return for his testimony against other targets of the criminal probe; 3) Cheney and Bush may be named as unindicted co-conspirators; 4) Bush's "war speech" before the National Endowment for Democracy and a late Thursday afternoon report that "19 operatives" have arrived in New York City to place bombs on subway trains are blatant attempts by the White House to divert attention from the impending indictments against the Bush White House. The main stream media is just beginning to take notice that a "Watergate-level event" is about to occur in Washington.

Where's the popcorn? :)

Garry!! Wow! Geebus, where are these people going with all this stuff?

ok, truly mind-blowing stuff happening. Try wrapping your heads around this one!!!! "Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible" :http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1811332,00.html

first time in a long time I've been happy to have incarned in this time frame.

19 Operatives huh....Gee, it sure sounds fishy to me. There were 19 "ter rast" on 911.

Looks like Darth Cheney and Poppy Fiend's trip to Saudi Arab Land may have been secret in order to set up the next attack.

And as far as Fiend Jr. saying that god tells him what to do.....If this is not enough to convince people he is insane and should hauled off in a strait jacket, then I completely give up on this country.

Anything to further agenda.....sickening, just sickening.

Where are the Dumbacrats??? Why do they not overthrow these idiots???

I think there should be an amendment to whats left of the Constitution that only allows atheist to serve in public office. These religous fanatics are going to blow up our beautiful blue planet.

AMEN PEG!(Sorry, couldn't resist!)
And here's more Rove info from the best named blog ever.....
http://whateveralready.blogspot.com

Peg - That's some of the best news I have seen so far. Just wish they said the whole thing is a load of crap.

Sorry if I offended anyone, but I have never believed one word of it and never will. It's a farce used to control the ignorant masses in the world. Better be good and be like us or else.

http://infowars.net/Pages/Oct05/051005timewarnercensors.htm

AOL Time-Warner Censors Alex Jones Websites
Nationwide blackout a clear attempt to shut down free speech

Time Warner's ISP, Road Runner, has blocked access to all of Alex Jones' flagship websites across the entire United States.

We were first alerted to this problem early this morning when several locals in Austin reported that they were unable to access Infowars.com, PrisonPlanet.com or Prison Planet.tv.

Austin Time Warner had previously shut down access to our websites on a whim, claiming they were 'hate material' but in all cases had quickly restored them after receiving complaints.

However, this latest attack on free speech is occurring nationwide, with Time Warner subscribers from New York to California reporting that their access to the websites is being blocked.

More....

'Non-Partisan' 'Voting Rights' Group Founder Works for White House!

ACVR's Jim Dyke Moonlights to Push Bush Supreme Court Nominee

'Honesty and Integrity' in the Bush-Era Now at it's Bushiest Level of All Time!

Jim Dyke, the liar who helped found the "non-partisan" American Center for Voting Rights (ACVR), is boning up on his "non-partisan" creds of late by working for the White House to help them push Harriet Miers through the nomination process.

As reported last night by NPR's All Things Considered in a story about some rightwinger concerns about Miers:
PETER OVERBY: ...But Jim Dyke, working on the nomination for the White House, says they'll come around to support Miers.

JIM DYKE: The more people learn about her, the more they understand what the...the President means when he talks about trusting him.
And yes, the "non-partisan" ACVR is still sucking off the tax-payer teet with their 501(c)3 tax-exempt status...Attention, Judicial Watch...Your test case is ready!
FULL STORY: http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001898.htm

Over at kos

http://www.dailykos.com

take a look at EmptyWheel's diary. A long read but well worth it--a complete timeline/analysis of the Plame affair. The comments are just as interesting and give a lot of great links including

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=8690

Can't remember who said that Meirs is Dubya's Get Out of Jail Free card, but looks like that might be the case.

What's going on in Fitzgerald's chart? Last I heard there was no birthtime, but he is a zero degree Cap. I have misplaced the (amateur) chart I roughed out for him and don't have the birthyear handy right now.

PS Great article and great comments, all.

Hello Barbara, Wikipedia says 1961 for Fitzgerald. I never knew you had drawn up an amateur chart for him. I don't think I saw you post it here anyway. "0" degrees Capricorn...how oppropriate.I have scoured high and low to find the month and time, to no avail. I too want to know what his chart looks like. Would be nice to know what the inception chart looks like when he took on the investigation two years ago. That could probably tell us a lot too. Barb, can you look for it, please and post something about it? I would just love to hear more about him than just the Wikipedia stuff, etc.

To All, Just want to share what I consider the best information I have seen on Avian Flu - h5n1.
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/background/pandemic

also: http://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1
This is the blog of Laurie Garrett - an expert in global health issues whose writing is included in the above magazine link. Her blog is replete with all the latest global health concerns.

teska: thanks for the homeopathic tips. I am going to copy out your post and see what I can come up with here locally.
Also: my tip for everyone: Find as much green stuff in whatever form you can and stock up. Pure chlorophyll, wheatgrass tablets,wheatgrass powder, or frozen in the little cups, or grow your own from wheat seeds. Green seaweeds, kelp, algee, etc. Chlorophyll is similar to the composition of blood and is a potent detoxifier.

The experts say we are long overdue for such a pandemic. We are sorely unprepared if something serious does reach America. Just as we were unprepared for Katrina, in spite of the experts predictions on how we should have prepared.

re Time Warner & free speech
Time Warner hired Tom DeLay's chief of staff about 3 weeks ago to be their Washington lobbyist http://mediachannel.org/blog/node/986hmmmm just in time to help kill negative press for DeLay/Bushco in return for favorable rulings for Time Warner cable biz etc. The timing can't be accidental.
Don'tcha just love Wash. D.C.

re Delay chiec of staff

HI All that link didn't seem to come out right try:
http://mediachannel.org/blog/node/986

Swamp

Swamp...welcome here. Seems to be no end to the corruption. If they can't do it someplace (with DeLay), they will find another (Warner)
How far back do I need to go to get the article.
Interesting site, I have never heard of...thanks.

Beasly: I am a few days late with this and not sure if you're interested, but discovered the chart for George Galloway on a french astrology site. Will list it here for you and others.
You can read the chart easily enough as is but must translate the text to English which is free, but still very difficult to read. Seems like a computer program, generic reading. Cast for 6:00 a.m. versus your 12:00 and can't tell if 6:00 is real or verified.
http://www.astrotheme.fr/portraits/Ladhr2qu7XEk.htm
He is such an interesting character to me.

Judi g. I love Mark Crispin Miller and will check out his blog tomorrow. I have never seen it. Thanks for your comments.

Swamp: I found it. Thanks. It is just sickening!
Things may be turning around for the administration somewhat, the other way (imagine Republican-Corporate America turning against Bush)in terms of lobbist as they are howling and mad, as well as other interest groups, against the Patriot Act which congress hopes to pass before year end. Will try to find more tomorrow. Meantime try audio only marketplace.org

Beverly,
Thanks for the info on Galloway. will check it out.

Beverly and Barbara, John Roberts: 1/27/55, Buffalo, NY. I did a noon time chart because there is no time listed. Starcats has the info.

As to the post from TimeLine...Catholic Church...gee, I guess we're in the 21st Century now. Even the Roman Catholic Church says not all that is written in the Bible is true.

I just got back from NYC today. Didn't see or feel a thing. All of this baggage checking and police action must have gone on after I left the city which was about 2:00 pm. I was in Midtown and then on to the East Side around 60th street. Today is Oct. 6th and time here in Princeton is 9:40 pm.

Looks like Good Night and Good Luck will make us stand up and cheer. Check out the trailer.

http://wip.warnerbros.com/goodnightgoodluck/trailerplay.html?id=goodnightgoodluck&type=windows&speed=300000

Dear all – MORE NATURAL FLU REMEDIES

… and to add to what Tseka mentioned- Comments from MDs who treated 1918 flu and positive effects of homeopathy and negative effects of ASPIRIN. Really shocked me.

1. This site has a Cold and Flu Bundle that contains Oscillococcinum as well as other homeopathic combinations that contain Gelsemium and Bryonia used in 1918 Flu.
http://www.1-800homeopathy.com/index/combination.html?item=SL005

ALSO,

2. This is called the Master Tonic – you make it at home from common ingredients from the grocery store. It’s pro-biotic, antiviral, anti-bacterial, anti-fungal and anti-parasitical.

Here:
http://er4yt-brecipes.tripod.com/MedicineCabinet/MasterTonic.html

AND

3. In addition to plenty of greens, and a clove of raw garlic daily, these are also anti-virals: mega doses of Vitamin C, Elderberry, Quercetin (found in onions) and NAC, (N-acetyl cysteine)

AND

4.COMMENTS FROM MDs WHO TREATED PATIENTS DURING THE 1918 FLU OUTBREAK.

“I did not lose a single case of influenza; my death rate in the pneumonias was 2.1%. The salycilates, including Aspirin and Quinine, were almost the sole standbys of the old school and it was a common thing to hear them speaking of losing 60% of their pneumonias. Dudley A. Williams, M. D., Providence R. I.

In a plant of 8,000 workers we had only one death. The patients were not drugged to death. Gelsemium was practically the only remedy used. We used no Aspirin and no vaccines. Frank Wieland, M. D., Chicago.

Three hundred and fifty cases and lost one, a neglected pneumonia that came to me after she had taken one hundred grains of Aspirin in twenty-four hours. Cora Smith King, M.D., Washington, D. C.

Dean W. A. Pearson of Philadelphia collected 26,795 cases of influenza treated by homeopathic physicians with a mortality of 1.05%, while the average old school mortality is 30%.

My low death rate at Camp Lee was due entirely to the fact that I avoided the use of Aspirin absolutely. I was complimented by the chief medical officer as having the lowest death rate in the hospital. After the medical chief had noted the effect of Aspirin on the blood and the results which I was having in using Homeopathy he discouraged the use of Aspirin and the death rate came down very rapidly after that ruling. Carleton A. Harkness, M. D., Chicago. ..”

MORE. . .
http://www.mailarchive.ca/lists/can.politics/2004-10/0784.html

AND

5. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE CAN DO TO KEEP OUR IMMUNE SYSTEMS STRONG IS TO MINIMIZE STRESS AND NOT GET CAUGHT IN FEAR. FEAR WEAKENS THE IMMUNE SYSTEM.

Peace

Hi Jaycee, and all

i'd like to add a little note here from a Homeopath's perspective- that is; every epidemic develops it's own distinct similimum and we won't know it in advance. The symptom picture evolves as a relationship between society and the organism.
So a couple of thoughts you should keep in mind is that we and our immune systems are very different from 1918 and an emerging flu will have it's own symptom picture. Therefore before you decide that you are going to stock up on certain remedies be advised that they may not be the ones that are curaitve for this condition this time round. Gelsemium is a good remedy for what we see as "summer flu" it has very heavy legs as one of it's symptoms. The type A influenzas we usually see in the winter months that come on like a freight train and can go quickly to pneumonia more often call for Arsenicum album, Gelsemium is not usually indicated. Honestly any number of medicines may be the "one".
Homeopathy works on the principle of like cures like and to be effective requires a careful analysis of symptoms and provings to find the exactly curative similimum.

I do not wish to discourage anyone from pursuing homeopathy, i'm passionate about it and have seen many amazing results (i've been using it since the mid 70s) For those of you who are interested in self care i would like to reccomend a book which i believe is very useful for understanding and using homeopathy. "Homeopathic Medicine a Doctor's Guide for Common Ailments" by Trevor Smith MD. Trevor Smith has writen several books and i consider him very sound. Then, if your interest and pocketbook indicate it look into a remedy kit -a travel kit of 30c remedies will likely serve. Then monitor homeopathic sites, we all stay in touch...
We are all in this together
may you all walk in health
tseka

Pat C
re: the film goodnight and goodluck. Remembering the McCarthy era is excellent timing! Reminding the madia of the courageous reporters who walked before may be just what we need, though the blog world is doing mighty fine work in that regard.

Tseka,

I agree with your comments. It's true about different similiums. I don't know much about homeopathy, but I've been reading that there are some similarities between the current flu and 1918 and since most people probably won't purchase kits, and without some knowledge, it is kind of complicated to use lots of remedies, I was thinking that some of these existing combination remedies may be better than nothing. And I know that homeopathy is not the ownly answer. What really got my attention was the responses of the MDs as to the effectiveness of homeopathy and the negative effects of Aspirin. I had never heard this before.

I am really concerned about the levels of fear and panic that can be generated, and that could make things much worse than they need to be, especially if people feel that they have no control over what happens. We are really blessed that we can be here to help one another. I'm getting my "medicine cabinet" as ready as I can. Have you heard anything about that Master Tonic that I linked to?

Jaycee, one thing to remember was homeopathy was THE medicine of the time during 1918, allopathy didn't really get going until the 40's after penicillin. 1918 was pretty dark ages for what we now think of as medicine. Aspirin was sort of the drug of the day and given the hemorrhagic aspect (bleeding) of the infection probably just exacerbated the symptoms.
I can't comment or endorse particular combinations or tonics as it may violate my business and professions code under which i operate in my state, i can only give general or educational info.
I'm 100 percent supportive of your suggestion #5 de-stress as much as possible. Fear is the very effective tool of control that this administration uses. Staying grounded in our own everyday life and truth seems a pretty good prescription for health.

Jaycee and tseka, though i'm not as familiar as i would like to be about homeopathy, i do know intuitively that vinegar, garlic, onions, hot peppers are great restoratives and often curatives. The Master Tonic, Jaycee, is something we all could have on hand. It certainly cannot hurt you and would be highly beneficial -- even alleviating many cold systoms. I've forwarded this recipe on to everyone i know.

Ii would also add that each of us can sprout. Organic alfalfa, mungs, wheat, are readily available and inexpensive when you consider that two tablespoons full of seeds translate to a quart jar of delicious greens.

Have enjoyed every single post this morning! Thank YOU ALL!

karen

Bush's Divine psychosis is getting a more public airing, so all those folks who missed His message will hear it again...oh but Scotty McClellan say nope...oops wrong again Scotty.

White House denies Bush claimed divine inspiration

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051007/wl_mideast_afp/mideastbritainusiraq_051007104653

Lol, the Independent paints him as an even bigger religious nutcase citing yesterday's policy speech. Hehhehee and those poll number go down down down.

Bush: God told me to invade Iraq

President 'revealed reasons for war in private meeting

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article317805.ece

I had hoped for a private off line communication but what is good for intestinal worms?

Betsy, the folk medicine I was raised with suggested garlic for worms, pin worms, etc., also great to add to your dogs and cats food to get rid of worms in them.
There are folks here who are true practitioners and can probably provide you a better answer. Garlic was my mom's cure all.

Betsy:

Wormwood

Betsy-
Use a search engine and type in anthelmintic and herbal and you should get lots of useful info.

There is something in the following that i was unaware of. The one of the latest executive orders, the creation of the National Service, is entirely under Bush's command. This, coupled with other recent rulings, have virtually eroded the constitution.

Were wv around, this would have been posted sooner, no doubt.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10543.htm

karen

Hi Morgana, On "The Diane Rehm Show" - Weekly News Round-up this a.m., a brief discussion was made about Bush's Messiah Complex(my words)/BBC Bush Documentary in response to a caller's inquiry about if "he really said these things." The conservative commentator made reference that the statements accredited to Bush by Mahmud Abass, were not true and that newsbroadcasters were mistaken. This was the image the caller was left with regarding the true facts of the documentary that will air soon. I for one hold the BBC and Ha'aretz in high journalist regard. The other two commentators did not have a response....apparently didn't know about it.
I remember when the issue was originally reported and that physcolgical analysis started appearing on the internet about Bush. Never heard it mentioned in the MSM then, which was June, 2003.
Everything gets so twisted around with these conservative folks.

One of my articles around that time had a link to an Israeli newspaper quoting Bush saying similar things. It's been documented more then once and I'm pretty sure the blogsphere will find those quotes. The sharks are feeding. Bush's messianic complex how could anyone miss it?

Oh! Farrout....that article is chilling. I don't see how he can establish a NSS without congressional approval. I must check into this.
I never much believed that America would ever become militarized, but this article and the examples they site, make the recent moves by Bush sound so common place, not conspiratorial at all. Just as the author says, tax-cuts are no longer the answer to fix whatever is wrong, calling out the military is the hoped to be answer.
Don't know that much about what martial law entails except curfew, but apparantly guns/weapons are confiscated. I really wish that something could be made (legally) of the power broking between Bush/Blanco, (I do not believe it was Nagen/Blanco) that could hold the administration accountable for unnecessary/death.
Things getting more frightening but probably would not be so if we could count on our fellow Americans to not allow anymore controls.

Good humor Friday for all who need a break. Go here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
Scroll down to the bottom of the page and enjoy the cartoon by Austin. Go quickly; don't know how long it'll be up.

http://tinyurl.com/bsnuz

Why hasn't this been all over the mainstream media?
Seattle Times
Thursday, October 06, 2005
Hastings says ethics panel won't investigate DeLay
By Alicia Mundy
Seattle Times Washington bureau
WASHINGTON - Rep. Doc Hastings, the Washington state Republican who chairs the House ethics committee, touched off a political controversy this week with statements supporting embattled Rep. Tom DeLay, R-Texas.
Hastings told the Yakima Herald-Republic that his committee would not investigate a 15-month-old complaint about DeLay's role in alleged illegal campaign contributions in Texas.
Such an investigation would duplicate the work of the Texas district attorney who obtained indictments against DeLay over the fund-raising issue, Hastings said. "We don't have the resources," he added.

A Hastings spokeswoman later said the congressman wasn't ruling out an investigation after the criminal case
Yakima Herald-Republic, WA
Published on Friday, October 7, 2005

http://www.yakima-herald.com/page/dis/290665996815788

Doc feels the heat
By LEAH BETH WARD
Seeking to blunt criticism that he has compromised his objectivity by publicly commenting on Texas Congressman Tom DeLay, Rep. Doc Hastings said Thursday he would not hesitate to investigate the former House majority leader "at the appropriate time and in the appropriate way."
The Pasco Republican has been criticized by at least one conservative group and a public advocacy group for commenting on DeLay's indictment by a Texas grand jury and for suggesting the Travis County district attorney who brought the charges is politically motivatedŠ
Lots more really good stuff at MakeThemAccountable.com.
Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com
Philosophical question: If a Bush commits a crime and no one hears about it, has a crime really been committed?

Bob Costa parses Bush's speech on terrorism:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/during-war-speech-bush-c_b_8444.html

During War Speech, Bush Calls Himself a 'Tyrant' and a 'Radical'

Shy if you click on the cartoon it takes you to this... take a look

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1586978,00.html

Well, this article gives us a little inside info. on the Plamegate status. I finally found out the Grand Jury expires 10-28-05. Also, Ms. Miller will be returning to talk with Fitzgerald on Tuesday.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/07/politics/07leak.html

Pat C.--Costa's article is brilliant. Reminds me of Paul Levy's "George's madness" writings. So many times when I am hearing little bits of Bush's comments to the press or speech material, I think to myself 'doesn't he know he is talking about himself.'

Jaycee: thanks loads for the Tonic recipe.

Poll: Can Smirky regain support among voters? (You'll love it!)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9623008/#survey

Thanks, Morgana. I distinctly remember a picture of Smirky while he was in the ME a couple of years ago, meeting with the two of them. That picture, accompanying his statement that god was telling him what to do, has been photoshopped several times. One of the best placed a couple of revolvers in his hands, so that he appeared (with arms outstretched) to be telling Sharon and Whateverhisnamewas that god wanted them to settle it all with a duel.

What would you call a person who sits in a room 20 feet from the kitchen while a chicken and rice pot on the fire burns enough to make a smoke screen from said kitchen to the living room and adjoining rooms and sits there watching some inane game show from the 80s. (she is addicted to TV), If I hadn't come down the stairs when I did, it would have been worse. I asked her if she hadn't notice the smell. No, she hadn't and didn't seem too concerned. This was my mother. I realize she is 84 years old, but the acrid smoke must have burnt her nose. She was born 1/1/21. Sometimes she can be so dull witted. I just want to know, is this normal for this age group??? Or, is it some kind of capricorn characteristic?

Patricia

California Lemon law in practice..

Californian launches Schwarzenegger recall effort

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051007/pl_nm/schwarzenegger_recall_dc

This is almost funny. Conspiracy planet intimates that John Roberts is gay. Geeze Louise.

I'm trying to figure out what I'm feeling here. Nah, what a crock. Or, nothing surprises me anymore. Any thoughts?

Patricia

Beverly, Barbara,
So sorry about the last post regarding Robert's birth data. You were interested in Fitzgerald.

12/22/1960 Brooklyn, NY. Noon time chart.
Sun=0Cap.
Mercury= 22 Sag.49 !!!!!! Ya think he'll get to the bottom of this cesspool? What with Pluto approaching his natal Mercury for the 2nd time...

I think this was in Stariq...not sure where I got it. But it was in one of the more reputable astrological websites.

Patricia. Sounds like your Mother needs a lot of monitoring.......alzheimers setting in?????????? I know of several people who have experienced this kind of incident at the beginning stages. Doesn't your Father have that?? AM I remembering correctly? If so ((((((((love & support)))))))
My take on Roberts is that he could be gay. That was my instinctive reading watching him last week on TV.
The right wing werlitzer is REALLY LOUD tonight on TV.
Tony Blankley featured on Cspan's 25 years of call ins..............
Wall St Journal on PBS horrible...............
But did anyone catch Kurt Vonnigot on Now??? Fantastic!!!!

This is reassuring..................
A toxic mix of money and power has sustained Republicans in the United States for a generation. Sidney Blumenthal exposes a corrupt system approaching legal nemesis.

http://smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=23056&mode=&order=0

PQ

Patricia, I haven't a clue as to Roberts' sexual orientation, but here's a fun spot to visit regarding it:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4803569&mesg_id=4803569

Patricia....your mom needs medical attention....! It may be alzheimer's, it may mean dementia....get help from your county senior services and get her analysed. I spent 8 years helping to take care of my mother (at 84 she was still walking 1/2 mile to get her groceries and back, but at 92-93, she started losing it and is 96 now), and it has taken constant medical attention in the convalescent hospital over a year to get her stablilized. I just spoke to a young man today when I was with a real estate friend of mine...she was showing him a rental, and he was talking about his mother showing signs of this...he was only, it looked like to me, in his late 20's! But that incident means trouble....please get help for both of you....!

Ladies,Ladies....

Roberts is an Aquarian. Most Aquarian men don't know how to tie their shoes much less get down with their sexuality. He does what the church tells him to...but most of the time his head is some other universe...thought...ideas...

FDR was the only Aquarian pres. who couldn't keep it zipped and unabashadly a womanizer.

Beasley, most of the time his head is . . . where????? If he's like the rest of Smirky&Co we know the orifice.

I received a forwarded email this morning from one of my students who is also a practicing homeopath. She advocates perelandra essences and their existing Flu Season Balancing Solution. She also passed along a message from Perelandra that says this avian flu threat can go in several directions and until and unless it mutates into a human-to-human form from its present animal to human state they can't produce an appropriate remedy because humans supply some of the variables. If and when it happens it would take 7-10 days to produce and ship the solution.
Quite interesting. Here's the link to the message:
www.perelandra-ltd.com.

WASHINGTON, Oct 7 (Reuters) - In a cliffhanger vote held open by Republican leaders until they won, the U.S. House of Representatives passed by two votes on Friday a bill clearing the way for U.S. oil refineries to expand.

The legislation, written by Republican Joe Barton of Texas, barely won approval despite dropping a White House-backed provision that would have gutted clean air rules to help refineries and coal-powered utilities.

In the first major House vote since Texan Tom DeLay was forced to step down as majority leader, Republicans won, 212-210, in a roll call that ran more than 40 minutes, far beyond the allotted five minutes.

Democrats in the chamber chanted "shame, shame, shame" as the final tally was announced.

When over two dozen Republicans initially voted no, DeLay, Barton, House Speaker Dennis Hastert and new Majority Leader Roy Blunt circled the chamber and cajoled the holdouts.

The palm-sweating vote switched from "yes" to "no" several times, but Republican Rep. Mike Simpson, the speaker pro tempore, did not gavel the vote closed until it swung in the Republicans' favor.

Several Democrats protested that the vote was being held open. "I am informed that every member of Congress who is in town has voted," Democratic whip Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland said at one point, when the tally was 210 yes, 214 no.

House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi also complained, saying the proceedings were bringing "dishonor to the House."

Read on at http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N075245.htm

Video http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/07/house-block-vote/

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"Did you hear about this spy they found working in the White House. A guy in Vice President Cheney's security detail was allegedly passing U.S. secrets to foreign govenrments. And Karl Rove was furious. He said, 'Leaking secrets, that's my job.'" --Jay Leno "A former Marine was arrested for allegedly stealing intelligence memos from the White House. How about that? The guy would get into the White House and steal intelligence memos, and I thought, well, at least someone's reading those memos." --David Letterman

"No, it's a real mystery, no one knows how he got into the White House, no one knows how he managed to stay in there so long ... oh, no, wait, that's George Bush, I got confused." --David Letterman

"Interesting woman this Harriet Miers. She used to be a Democrat, and then she found God and became a Republican. Which is kind of backwards, because usually in Washingotn you become a Republican, get indicted, go to jail, then you find God." --Jay Leno

"They shut down Pennsylvania Avenue because of a suspicious package, did you hear about that? Turns out it was just a big bag of laundered money for Tom DeLay." --David Letterman

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http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/100605.html

Making Sense of the Miers Nomination
By Robert Parry
October 7, 2005

By picking his personal lawyer Harriet Miers to fill a key swing seat on the U.S. Supreme Court, George W. Bush angered his right-wing supporters, who wanted someone with clearer conservative credentials, and opened himself to new charges of cronyism – a double whammy of bad PR. So why did he do it?

The most common theory is that Bush was looking for a stealth candidate who wouldn’t provoke strong Democratic opposition but would get solid Republican backing – after some wink-wink assurances that she would vote the right way on abortion and other core conservative issues.

That indeed may be the answer. Bush may have just miscalculated how disappointed his conservative base would be and how offended other Americans would be at his straight-faced assertion that his White House counsel was “the best person I could find.”

But there is another theory that would fit the facts. It may be that Bush is less concerned about constitutional issues than he is about criminal and political disputes that might reach the court if the troubles surging around his administration get worse.

What if, for instance, a senior Bush aide is facing prosecution in connection with an untested law prohibiting unmasking covert CIA officers? It might be handy for Bush to have a trusted friend on the court of last resort to rule on some technical legal questions that could torpedo the whole case.

More....

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http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=54658

New U.S. Gov't Report Misrepresents Holocaust-Deniers As 'Scholars'
new U.S. government report refers to Holocaust-deniers as "scholars and researchers," prompting the David S. Wyman Institute for Holocaust Studies to call for the report to be recalled from circulation and corrected.

"Holocaust-deniers are not scholars or researchers -- they are bigots who try to hide their anti-semitism behind the mask of fake scholarship," said Wyman Institute Director Dr. Rafael Medoff. "For a U.S. government report to call them 'scholars' gives them the legitimacy they desperately crave but do not deserve."

The Wyman Institute points out that the U.S. State Department officially considers Holocaust-denial to be a form of antisemitism. In the State Department's January 2005 "Report on Global Anti-Semitism," there are nine separate references to incidents of Holocaust-denial included among the report's listing of anti-semitic incidents in various countries.

Well, hey, if Intelligent Design can be "science", then Holocaust deniers can be "scholars".

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http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=george+bush+and+god&btnG=Search+News

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http://www.juancole.com/2005/10/iraq-war-generating-threats-to-new.html

Juan Cole

bbuster, that's a lovely site. Thank you so much for posting it here.

7.6 earthquake 70 miles northeast of Islamabad. ( time???) On CNN & MSNBC
PQ

Magnitude 7.6
Date-Time Saturday, October 8, 2005 at 03:50:38 (UTC)
= Coordinated Universal Time
Saturday, October 8, 2005 at 8:50:38 AM

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsww/Quakes/usdyae.htm

bbuster,

Thanks also from me for posting the Perelandra site.

There's some very interesting info that I'll take time to look at.

Several earthquakes, mudslides AND volcano erruption in central america....El Salvador, Guatemala in dire straits....and another 6.3 in Pakistan. Not to mention dozens of 5 plus aftershocks. A 4.2 in Central CA....1700 killed in the Pakistan 7.6...http://www.sfgate.com for breaking news on Cambria, CA quake and
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/10/08/international/i065503D67.DTL

THe wind is blowing like the Santa Anas blow in SoCal....like a fury right now....SF bay area....

judi g, very Fall today. The winds are just like the Santana's in Southern California, earthquake weather ya know.

judi g, that little ole shaker in the San Simeon area was strong enough to be felt here in the Santa Cruz mtns., woke me up way too damn'd early.

Anyone remember my earthquake prediction a couple of weeks ago?

There will be more, the earth is about to shift again. Feeling very wierd lately...Watch the birds and animals for signs.

http://www.buzzflash.com/

Bush's Incompetence, Corruption and Cronyism is So Unrelenting in Destroying America and Leaving Americans Vulnerable to Death that You Wonder if bin Laden Put Him in Office: Bush has no real plan for Avian Flu pandemic other than millions dying and martial law. When will even Stepford Republicans and Wimpy Democrats in Congress value their lives and America before their hack loyalty and remove this threat to America and his VP from office?

http://tinyurl.com/cymxr

You might want to support this book. Amazon yanked it.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=q73GLuvAwh&isbn=031235195X&itm=3

Truth and Duty

And the Pentagon yanked this from the Internet, but Greenpeace retrieved it and requested that we pass it around...

http://www.greenpeace.org/international/news/nuclear-warplans-101
PQ

Done, Pat QOP

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/2/0310/66758

The Common Good

Hi Everyone, So depressing what I heard on an unknown WABC-Ohio radio station, conservative of course, which I got in by mistake last evening! Tom DeLay's attorney filed a motion yesterday against Ronnie Earle for PROSECUTORIAL MISCONDUCT, hoping to get the indictment/s dropped. The judge who will review the request is on vacation at the present time. Reuters is caring the story.
Timothy Flanigan has withdrawn his nomination for the second in command at the Justice Department in a three paragraph letter to Bush. He would not answer questions about his relationship with Jack Abermoff.
Beasley: thanks for the birth data on Fitzerald. I was hoping the "name" would straighten itself out and I see it did. Wikipedia says 1961 though???

Because delay's attorney filed the misconduct crap
doesn't mean,the case will be thrown out.On the other hand, the judge when he comes back after the
vacation will RULE to go ahead with the case against the corrup crook that dealy is. So nothing to get depressed about that Beverly.

I don't know how many here had read the books by
'out of the box' economist Ravi Batra.He predicted
the fall of communism etc. His latest book lays bare the crooked economic policies of another con
Greenspan titled 'Greenspan's Fraud'. He predicts that these economic fraud policies will end in the
stock market burst in 2008 and the fall of today's
'sham' capitalism and 'sham' democracies we have(
controlled by corporations).After 2008, we may get
'real' democracies sans corporate control.

By the way, yesterday on NBR(PBS' Business show)
Market Monitor for the week - Robert Morrow, Editor of Institution Advisory Service expects
the Dow to BOTTOM out at 870! Currently it is at 10292. So from 10292 to 870 will be something!That
could be the END of today's fraud capitalism!

Any link between the earthquake and the path of the recent eclipse?

*Sniff* *Sniff* Ewwwwwwwwww! *Swat* *Swat* Horse patootie flies! Horse patootie flies! When things are going downhill for the wingers, you can always expect the appearance of those horse patootie flies and the accompanying stench.

Cybear,

A major California quake would be the coup de grace for the US economy, if not for the US federal government itself. The sad part is, we would have been in much better shape to absorb and rebound from these kinds of losses, even in succession, if we had maintained better leadership from 2000 onward.

Bush, the GOP and their corporate backers have completely laid waste to this nation and have left us broke, broken and vulnerable in ways that we have never before experienced. Not even during the Great Depression has the US been in such a sorry state of disrepair and decay.

http://www.bartcop.com/ct-apology.jpg

http://www.bartcop.com/god-told-monkey.jpg

* The Greatest Strategic Disaster in US History

Capitol Hill Blue, the Wash DC, publication that cultivates relationships with WH staffers, reports one WH aide saying, "It's like working in an insane asylum. People walk around like they're in a trance. We're the dance band on the Titanic, playing out our last songs to people who know the ship is sinking and none of us are going to make it."

"If POTUS is on the road, you can breathe a little easier," says an aide. Otherwise, it is one temper tantrum after another from bush, whose "cakewalk war" has turned into interminable conflict, whose idiocy in diverting funding for NO' levees to war in Iraq was disastrous for the famous city, and whose Social Security privatization has been rejected by the electorate. Even rah-rah [necroporn] Newt Gingrich says the WH is surrounded by failure.

No member of the WH staff wants to deliver news to bush, because the news is bad. bush demands sycophancy and equates bad news with disagreement and disloyalty.

Little wonder that Condi Rice was dispatched to Princeton last week to inform the university that democracy comes out of the barrel of a gun. US military force, said the [rice] with a straight face, is required to force democracy down the throats of the Muslims in order to save future American generations from "insecurity and fear."

Condi obviously doesn't want bush to put her in the "against us" camp. She told Princeton that she agreed with bush "that the root cause of 9/11 was the violent expression of a global extremist ideology, an ideology rooted in the oppression and despair of the modern Middle East."

Every American s/b scared to death that a sec of state can make such an ignorant/propagandistic statement.

Many Middle Eastern countries are ruled by puppets on the [ameriCO] payroll. Even the Saudis are under [ameriCO] protection. If there is oppression in the Middle East, it is because US puppets and protectorates are doing what the US govt wants, not what the people they rule want.

The Middle East is in despair because almost a century after the WWI freed Arabs from Turkish occupation, they still cannot get free of US and British occupation. The reasons Osama bin Laden has a cause among Muslims are (1) US military bases in the Middle East and (2) Israeli practices such as stealing the West Bank and herding Palestinians into ghettos.

What kind of fool believes that the way to bring democracy to a country is to invade, destroy cities and infrastructure, and kill and maim tens of thousands of civilians, while creating every possible animosity by aligning with some members of the society against the others?

Condi Rice's speech at Princeton has branded her the greatest fool ever to be appointed sec of state. The same day that she declared, Mao-like, that democracy comes out of the barrel of a gun, Lt Gen Wm Odom, dir of the Natl Security Agency during prez reagan's 2nd term, a scholar with a distinguished career in military intelligence, declared bush's invasion of Iraq to be the "greatest strategic disaster in US history." ... http://antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=7472

Dear Joe, assumptions are dangerous, not only because they cement existing divisions, but because they often compromise possible, future understandings.

There are threads of truth in what you say. However, since you are new to this forum, you would not know the hearts of Astroworlders. Many give generously, despite meager incomes or limited circumstances.

We do hope that you are one of those givers. . .that you have the means to, say, adopt several children (for i assume you are prolife). And, hopefully, those children were born from wounded women (rape, or other heinous degradations).

I usually do not repond to posts such as yours. Yet, there may be some seed of light within you. Be generous, Joe. Listen, read, you might find that our differences are not that great afterall.

karen

Karen, that horse patootie fly is not new to this forum. It buzzes around here when things are not going well for the Dark Side. Just ignore it.

Consistently.

Interesting poll: Should universities teach evolution and not "intelligent design"?
http://www.idahostatesman.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage

"A presidency on life support". Yup.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/07/AR2005100701700.html

Joe, each time you rear your head on this site I feel like I need to take a shower.

Please don't scare Joe off - I think we would all like some questions answered from a real W supporter:

1. With the President's poll numbers being so low, might it be more than just the liberals who aren't happy with him? If anything shouldn't Joe be more let down with Republicians?

2. Aren't bleeding hearted liberals the first to give to charity? And is Joe willing to give up tax cuts for the wealthy to pay for Katrina and bring down the debt?

3. If the Republicans are seious about winning Iraq why hasn't anybody called for Rumsfeld to step down? How come W can't be like Tony Blair and admit that we went in for the wrong reasons? How can the President take so much vacation time when we're at war? Is having China pay for our national debt a good security move?

http://www.securingamerica.com/

Karen, I appreciate your comments.

Throwing vitriole at one another seems to encourage us to vent and allow that level of discourse to continue.

Is it "possible" that there's some truth in a different point of view? (There usually is if we can be objective enough to look. Not always easy when we lead with our emotions and our determination to "fight" for our truths, and when there are such levels of understandable frustration.)

BUT, Why make fun of one another? Why put one another down? Why man battle stations? Why always us vs. them? Confront, attack, jab, "gotcha", "I'm right, "you're wrong" "I won, you lost." Is this what we really want?

Last time I checked, we all breathe the same air, we all bleed, we all have hearts that beat, we all laugh, we all cry. Yes, even Republicans.

Hi Raj, thanks for your comments. I know I shouldn't get depressed about set-backs concerning DeLay. I just want things to happen more quickly....to get our country back, and he is a head honcho, whose downfall is long overdue. Hopefully, if nothing sticks with the indictment/s, one of the other on-going investigations will trip him up as his connections go far and wide.

Good article on Delay case here:
The Case Against Tom DeLay:
What has Happened to Grand Jury Secrecy in Texas?
John W. Dean, Findlaw
Friday 07 October 2005
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/100805Y.shtml

Joe, you are projecting again.

Perhaps this will put things into perspective:
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/gopscorecard.htm

A state by state listing of current investigations into the GOP. Take note of D.C., Texas, and Ohio.

http://www.indiancountry.com/content.cfm?id=1096411661

Louisiana tribes receive no federal aid

HOUSTON - The United Houma Nation and other Louisiana tribes hit by Hurricane Katrina said they have received no federal or national aid to help them with their recoveries.

Houma Chief Brenda Dardar Robichaux said the Houma, the American Indian tribe hit hardest by Hurricane Katrina, has received no national or federal assistance: tribal members have received nothing from FEMA or the America Red Cross, and cannot get through to either agency.

Grass roots volunteers are camped in Robichaux's yard in Raceland, La., south of New Orleans. They are living in tents and delivering medical and construction aid to tribal members, but have little in the way of cash or supplies.

Further, Robichaux said some tribal members are still unaccounted for and assumed to be in shelters or relatives' homes. The tribe is searching for those Houma tribal members in shelters who speak only Cajun French and may be unable to communicate their needs.

One Houma village was blown away by Hurricane Katrina and another, ''Boothville,'' is underwater. There are 3,400 Houma tribal members who lost their homes or have damage to their homes

Robichaux, however, said tribal members realize they are responsible for themselves and rebuilding their lives and are not waiting for others to help them.

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Beverly,
Nice bunch of "folks" THOSE REPUGS! ( re: Waynemadsenreport) They used those funds here to open a prominent & promising Repuglicanism forever, headquarters, in downtown Ellsworth. The Dem headquarters is tucked away modestly on a side street.
PQ

Yes, Joe, it certainly is gentlemanly of you to come on to a web site periodically, demand that everyone bow to you in joy, and then totally dis and abuse the participants..... sounds like most rethugs I've met....and still banging the old Clinton drum, too....whew...talk about needing a life.

One of the reasons we have such a divide in this country in the 'group mind' category might be reflected in something that a woman doing a spiritual reading for me yesterday said....

Did you know that science has proof that two opposing viewpoints can both be proved....each prooved to be RIGHT....and both ARE right? It is pretty interesting, as that little experiment in physics where in the act of observing a particle turns it into a wave, and vice versa....tells you it is whomever is doing the looking is proving themselves to be right....one side is seeing the particle and the other the wave in this case...classic separation....right and left.

I read a study that reported that Repubs are highly concerned with
'personal' morality. A friend of mine, a Repub to the core, complained about her younger brother who "drank, whored and played" his whole life (Repubs also love the grasshopper and the ant story) while she had gotten married, raised children, and made lots of money....I had asked, who will take care of your brother, and she said....he doesn't deserve to be taken care of, as he did THOSE things and I did not....

Unfortunately, I didn't think to say....but did he pay his taxes all that time? Did he pay soc. sec. taxes? so he isn't a moral paragon in your eyes, but does MONEY know that?

First strike the mote from your eye....Joe

Hey Morgana
thanks for the great article!
I have been giggling all week about the Senate standing up to shrub for once.
It feels SOOO good and it shows
just how far out of touch he is.

To unsigned:

My objection is not to intelligent discourse, but to the level of discourse. Is every Republican a Repug? Is every liberal a crazy flake? I don't think so. Your differences are with this current administration and those who are asleep to what's been going on. But more and more people are waking up. People are rethinking their choices.

When we attack people they are less likely to want to even hear what we have to say. The natural tendency is to attack back. We can disagree and discuss issues and policies but I don't believe we have to do it at the level of the "Jerry Springer Show".

There are those who would say that this administration is doing us a service, or that it's a reflection of the consciousness of the country. (Too bad we chose to learn the hard way.) Self-reflection is so much more difficult than self-denial. It's always easier to project and put the blame "out there". We've been forced to wake up and really see what it is we want and don't want, what we believe and don't believe, how important it is to be involved in what our government is doing. How many of us even cared before 911.(I suspect most of those who post here did care.) It's those outer planets doing a number on all of us for the sake of our country and the whole world.

JUDI,

"...in the act of observing a particle turns it into a wave, and vice versa....tells you it is whomever is doing the looking is proving themselves to be right..."

I wonder why it's so difficult to grasp this concept.What will happen if we go beyond left/right? That's the duality we're in and evolving beyond. Transformation isn't always fun.

QUESTION FOR ASTROLOGERS:

Is it more difficult for people without oppositions in their charts to see another side, another point of view?

Does anybody have any insights on this?

For those who DON'T know the meaning of the word liberal and think it's a negative term, here are several textbook definitions for LIBERAL:

Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.

Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.

Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.

I would wager that Voltaire and our entire pantheon of founding fathers are rolling in their graves, knowing they sacrificed their lives so that anyone behind a keyboard can spread hate speech all over the world....please note, negatives return threefold to the sender, as do positive things.

Sorry to vent loyal readers, but we already know that if we want to hear the "Free Republic" rebuttal for our every comment, we can turn on the tv, the radio, or read the newspapers......