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The Handwriting on the Wall
It is not uncommon to hear someone tell of how a crisis – perhaps an illness, the loss of a job, or even a loved one’s death – impacted his or her life in an unforeseen way, blending tragedy with an unexpected and beneficial shift on life’s pathway. Often in these cases, the person is forced to draw upon little-used strengths or overcome personal weaknesses in such a way that new and promising avenues open up, problematic relationships are resolved, or the person’s life is reshaped in some significant way. Of course, these unexpected opportunities are not always recognized, and one can just as easily drown in sorrow, loss, bitterness, and blame. These “interventions” of the Universe can indeed be quite painful, even when they manage to lead to a growth spurt of the soul. The most extreme example of crisis leading to potential healing is in the case of the substance abuser, most commonly the alcoholic. Usually, the addiction is accompanied by all sorts of problematic behaviors and attitudes that in turn lead to an ongoing series of crises including the loss of jobs, the loss of friends and loved ones, and possibly legal entanglements. When the alcoholic “bottoms out,” he has finally come to the realization that he must face his addiction and transform the lifestyle and the attitudes that support it. Although often filled with anguish, the crisis-strewn life of the addict may be understood as the proverbial handwriting on the wall. Eventually, the message becomes obvious: You cannot keep doing what you have been doing without more and more dire consequences. There is no escaping the need for a radical change in direction. Pain becomes the awakener, the message not to continue on the same path. Sometimes people call this process karma. In the ill-fated presidency of George W. Bush, we have now experienced three catastrophes: 9/11; the ongoing Iraq War; and Hurricane Katrina. In each case, it is easy to find specific omissions or mistakes that were causative and worthy of blame. But the cumulative feel, as we remain cowed by the first, continue mired in the second, and emerge fresh from the wounds of the third, is that the country is going in the wrong direction. It is perhaps the most crucial task of our leadership to give form and clarity to this feeling of wrongness and then point us in a new and healthy direction for the future. And, as with the alcoholic who must understand that his abusive behavior, his irresponsibility, his dysfunctional relationships, etc., all stem from his refusal to give up his addiction and face himself, so too must the citizens of this country understand the irrefutable connection between our dependence on foreign energy sources, our increasingly aggressive military presence in the oil and gas rich regions of the world, the burgeoning number of anti-American terrorists, and our lack of resources at home for the needs of our citizens. They must connect the dots between our refusal to move vigorously to renewable fuels and conservation, the overwhelming political and financial power of the oil and defense industries, and the administration’s refusal to accept the growing menace of global warming. All of these issues are linked and form a self-sustaining system. And again, as with the alcoholic, the first step is to move away from our decades-long addiction, in this case to fossil fuels, and go through the pain of withdrawal and the creation of new attitudes and a more responsible and functional relationship with the world and its resources. When this choice is made, buttressed by the will to back it up, many of the other issues in this self-sustaining system will begin to lose their potency. The longer this choice is deferred, the more severe the crises will be that rain down upon us, until we finally wake up and read the handwriting on the wall. It must be made very clear to Americans how these things are connected and what we need to do to change direction. Each crisis brings us closer to the truth of our ruinous oil addiction and its supportive dysfunctional behavior - global bullying and endless war to secure resources, increased terrorism due to such an aggressive global posture, an increasingly voracious appetite for oil leading to a spiral of higher prices, the draining of much-needed financial resources from domestic concerns, and the augmenting of a dangerous pollution that exacerbates climate change and increases hurricanes. Our leadership must educate the public as to the importance of changing course and offer the courage and vision needed to do so. The chart for the second inauguration of George Bush, with its strikingly prominent Chiron position (conjunct the MC and the Sun), suggests that much “wounding” will unfold during these four years that contains within itself the seeds to a more appropriate and healthy path for the nation. Certainly, the “wound” of Katrina carries within it the potential for much healing. Already, there is the dawning of a new awareness of the importance of wetlands preservation to protect from storm surges, of the role of government to protect the people, of the need for clear and concise disaster planning at the local level, and of the glaring disparity between rich and poor. It remains to be seen whether the Bush administration will rise to the occasion or simply use this disaster in an opportunistic and manipulative fashion. So far, the results are not promising. We had a much-heralded, brief moment of Bush claiming responsibility that was rapidly drowned in the same old muck of crony capitalism and incompetence that we have witnessed for the past four and half years. Haliburton once again has the no-bid contracts; the wages of the locals have been cut by executive order; environmental regulations may be suspended; the politicians are hoping to blame the environmentalists for the disaster; and the colossal cost, as usual, will be deferred to our grandchildren. Bush, however, is under a great deal of Saturn’s weight over the next two years, and Saturn demands accountability, responsibility, and adherence to the facts. A reckless spending spree to rehabilitate Bush’s political image and an attempt to continue in the reverse Robin Hood role of robbing from the poor to pad the pockets of the rich will not unfold smoothly and effortlessly. Such irresponsible and incoherent policies are more likely to cause Bush increasing trouble and opposition as time and Saturn move forward. Generally speaking, the kind of sorrow and loss that has been brought about by Hurricane Katrina shows up in the US chart in the form of some strong action by Saturn. At the time of 9/11 and thereafter for a couple of months, we had transiting Saturn exactly opposite the US Ascendant and opposing transiting Pluto, which was conjunct the US Ascendant. Since the initial Mission Accomplished of the Iraq War, transiting Saturn has crossed the US Venus, Jupiter, Sun, and Mercury and opposed Pluto (6/2003 – 6/2005). In addition, tertiary progressed US Saturn was opposed to the US Sun for much of 2003 and square the US Saturn for much of 2004. At present, we are under a Saturn aspect that is particularly associated with grief and suffering: progressed US Venus square to natal Saturn, which began in March 2005 and will continue to intensify until it is exact on January 4, 2006, slowly dissipating thereafter. The impact of almost nonstop Saturn action in the US chart since June 2003 is quite striking. Prior to this series of aspects, the US was puffed up with its sole superpower status, while government neoconservatives were planning America’s growing hegemony and its expanded military presence throughout the Middle East and South Asia, certain that no one or nothing could thwart their momentum. Although our economic strength and world standing had already been somewhat damaged after the first two years of George W. Bush in the Oval Office, it has taken our increasing impotence to stop the violent insurgency in Iraq and our inability to successfully rebuild that country to knock us completely off of our global pedestal. In addition, other aspects of the geopolitical landscape have significantly shifted in the past few years, and the United States is no longer the undisputed leader it once was, neither diplomatically, nor in terms of human rights or social policy, nor in terms of undisputed economic strength. The key phrase associated with the 10th house Saturn position in the natal US chart is: a rise to the top followed by a fall. It is a position where overextension and arrogance can lead to a humbling fall from grace. Perhaps these years will be remembered as a time when the United States became more sober, more humble, more of a team player, and less likely to bully the world in attempting to fulfill its goals. That would be the hoped for lesson here. The current progression of Venus square to US Saturn (14Libra48) is being triggered during all of September and October 2005 by the station of transiting Neptune at 14Aquarius49, clearly an indication of the national grief and upset over the disaster of Katrina, as well as the ongoing and increasingly fetid wound of Iraq. This progression suggests a time of trauma and sorrow for the nation, and will be quite potent through at least mid-January 2006. It is a planetary combination that has often been active during the painful times of war (progressed US Venus conjunct progressed US Saturn from 12/1863 to 12/1864; tertiary progressed US Saturn opposite natal US Venus from 5/1971 to 6/1972), as well as during the early years of the Great Depression (progressed US Venus square natal Saturn from 6/1930 to 4/1931). If we look for corroborating evidence of further trouble between now and the peak of this Venus/Saturn progression in mid-January 2006, two planetary configurations stand out. One aspect of great concern is the progressed US Moon opposing US Pluto from mid-December 2005 through mid-January 2006. While the Venus/Saturn combination suggests a time of sorrow, the Moon/Pluto combination suggests a time of intense emotional turmoil and fear. Combined, as they are in the latter weeks of December and the first weeks of January, they strongly suggest some painful and disturbing emotional experience for at least some part of the country. The other indication of possibly significant upset may be found in the 2005 Winter Solstice chart, 12/21/05 at 1:36 PM EST, drawn for Washington, DC, as well as for some mid-Atlantic cities such as Philadelphia, New York, Trenton, and Wilmington. Here we find a very tight Mars/Saturn/Jupiter T-square, with Mars opposite Jupiter sitting across the horizon line in the mid-Atlantic states. Significant triggering of the tension found in this chart is indicated from 12/21/05 through 1/12/06, with particular reference to 12/26/05, the heavily-traveled day after Christmas. During the first week (12/21 – 12/29), Mars will move to the exact square with Saturn (10Leo31) and to the Ascendant in the mid-Atlantic states (10 Taurus). Continuing until January 12, Saturn will retrograde to the exact square with Mars and the Ascendant. The Moon has the potential to trigger the configuration on December 26 when it reaches from 7 to 10 Scorpio, opposing natal Mars/Ascendant and squaring Saturn. It is never wise to predict specific events as opposed to the likely “qualities” that will be encountered. But it certainly seems that there is a possibility for strong upset, violence, volatility, and painful events somewhere between 12/21/05 and 1/2/06 (especially 12/26) followed by an ongoing feeling of distress through mid-January 2006. Late December, especially, should be a time for great caution. When a nation is not operating from a healthy perspective and a sense of balance, its dysfunction can cause increasingly difficult events to transpire. A healthy understanding of and respect for the interaction of the environment with our coastal cities would have led to wetlands protection and more appropriate development that could have minimized the storm surge. A conscientious understanding of the needs of the poor would have led to comprehensive evacuation plans for those who could not escape on their own. An unbiased glance at the growing cost of oil and the imminence of its shortage would lead a sane nation to move aggressively toward conservation and alternative energy. Increasing alarm over global warming would do the same. But we have not chosen these paths, either from the lack of political will and laziness of the many or the greed of the few. Instead we have infuriated the world with our attempts to control an uncontrollable resource in an unstable area. We have allowed global warming to pass the tipping point with little attempt to even slow it. And we have ignored the plight of the poor and the protection of the cities to such an extent that it will now cost us a pile of dollars that reaches the stars. It is time to read the handwriting on the wall or we can expect to continue to suffer the consequences.
Nancy Waterman on Sep 19 | Link
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This is quite an article Nancy, damning, yet truthful. I like how you compare what is going on with B*** and, the country, to addiction. Addicts, always try to fool themselves, think they have more time before they have to face the music, tomorrow, the theme song from Annie, which is always a day away. Facing ones-self truthfully is dead on painful and I don't think he's up to the task. It will have to be done for him, the mirror will have to be held up by a depressed country. I only hope that he does see the actual truth and not the Karl Rove wicked queen and poison apple version. But if he does, it is up to all of us to break that particular mirror and replace it with a new one. Posted by: M. on September 19, 2005 05:01 AMBrilliant!!! One of your very best. I'm a bit dismayed (only allow a "bit") that we "the people" are so complacent in light of all this. The leadership quotient is striking for it's absence. The compliance quotient is stunning in it's abundance. J'espere HOWEVER, HERE IS SOMETHING EVERYBODY CAN DO. NOTHING CHANGES UNLESS THE VOTES COUNT. THIS TELLS THE MEDIA WHAT'S WHAT AND WHERE TO GO TO FIND OUT WHY WE'RE IN SUCH LOUSY SHAPE: ***(((((Cut & Paste, email or snail mail to your local media)))))*** ----------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In 2004 the Bush administration cut Army Corps of Engineers budget for levee maintenance in the New Orleans area by $26 million dollars. Why is the Bush administration so intent on spreading voting machines and software? Could the reason be that Bush almost always does better in electronic voting precincts? Could another reason be that almost all the electronic voting companies are owned by right wing Republicans? 1) In early 2004, the BBC reported on serious questions about American electronic voting. David Dill, a computer expert at Stanford, questioned the reliability of voting systems, owned and operated by private companies who keep all data and operations information private. BBC pointed out that in Brazil, a separate organization exists to look at electronic voting machines during and after an election in order to keep vendors honest. In America, Diebold, etc. will not allow anyone to examine their machines since the software is “proprietary.” We are voting blind with no way to check the process or even do a recount.... 2) About 80% of the votes in this country are now tabulated—totaled—by just three companies, two controlled by right wing Republicans and the third by a British company. These and other voting machine and system companies have a checkered record, some employing ex felons. This article by reporter LynnLandes details the sorry situation in detail with references. Professor Avi Rubin of Johns Hopkins University did a study on one of the most popular voting machines, Diebold, in 2003 and found numerous security problems. This was not a partisan effort but a look by a computer security expert. The results are depressing. VotersUnite.Org has a powerful, extremely well documented book on voting machines, tabulators and the Federal Help America Vote Act (HAVA). It’s called MythBreakers and is available as a PDF file. There is no argument “… to counter the loud and vociferous assertions of numerous computer experts who insist that electronic voting machines can be rigged. And that if they can be rigged, they are… because if you leave the bank vault open, sooner or later someone is going to rob it.” Lynn Landes http://www.ecotalk.org/Sequoia.htm 3) Mark Crispin Miller wrote an excellent article in Harper’s Magazine called "None Dare Call it Stolen" which lays out the case for a stolen election. This is new and excellent; they like Harpers. This details the voter suppression are documented, the fake “terrorist alert” to stop vote counting when no alert was issued, the extra Bush votes which magically appeared. 4) Exit Polls have been used all over the world to catch election fraud. They are used by the center run by President Carter, other international voting rights groups, and most recently in the Ukraine. In the Ukraine, the difference between the vote count and the exit polls was so different, a new election was held. The United States government was the main force behind getting a new election because of problems uncovered by exit polls. Yet US exit polls in presidential elections, highly accurate in 1996 and 2000, showed a clear victory for John Kerry but these were completely ignored. In fact, the final exit poll released election night, after 1:00am had to be adjusted with actual results to show a Bush win (which made it something other than a poll, at that point). Professor Steve Freeman of the University of Pennsylvania outlined a simple set of arguments in February 2005. How could the exit polls be so far off? A group of leading statisticians produced an academic study of exit poll – actual vote discrepancies in April 2005 showing strong evidence of election fraud. The following article shows the incredible case made for a stolen election through a careful analysis of the exit polls we were never supposed to see. The final poll released contradicted the three previous polls of 13,600 respondents. The “virgin” exit polls demonstrate clearly a Kerry victory. The exit polls are the only voting on Election Day with a 100% paper trail. The voting on machines has no such back up. It’s a fascinating article. IT’S TIME TO SERIOUSLY INVESTIGATE THE QUESTION: Well, so confusion reigns for all of us. I meant to post this on Morgana's article and another one on Nancy's, I must tell you I am trying to write contracts and making lists for my day job which is under crisis, and I got confused obviously. I would have just taken this down, but I know that everyone loves Nancy's articles and I wanted to post the "bake sale" government on both sites. Let me close by saying how happy I am to have both articles up and running, and feel like when it rains it pours. Morgana, love this article. I saw Clinton on all those shows and it was great to hear someone be so articulate. I am suspicious of Clinton and would certainly keep a careful watch on this group but nonetheless, it was great listening to someone sound presidential. But the Cosmic yod going on with Jupiter sextile Pluto and inconj by Mars is right on Clinton's Moon, so this is a point of destiny for him as well. Let me also point everyone to Nancy's article, with both Morgana and Nancy posting this is a real treat. Nancy, you have so nailed this administration and what do you think of the "fund raising" for Iraq. I think it's Pluto oppose Mars square Neptune, our complete insanity right out there for all to see. What do you think Don't know if any of you have seen this, but the government is asking for donations for rebuilding Iraq. Next thing you know we will be holding fund raisers, you know "bake sales" to start a war. Iran will of course cost the most, but there are those little countries around the world that would cost us hardly anything. Just a billion or two. http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/politics/12679449.htm Posted by: Sally on September 19, 2005 05:18 AMNancy, this is superbly written. It reminds me of Cayce's prognostications regarding the generational karma of Atlantean/Mu entities who would be given the opportunity to correct those past errors of both leadership and citizenry. It appears we have not learned a damned thing. There really can be no finger pointing. Yes, "leadership" has sold their vision (the Plan for the New American Century) and the "people" bought it. We have been given opportunities to shift our thinking. We have not. Further, those whose voices are clarion calls, have been marginalized and practically silenced by the corporate media (who will continue their complicit role). Such a great read, Nancy. I'm so excited because i get to read Morgagan's article next! Yeeeeha! karen It really does feel like an Atlantean/end of Roman Empire moment inhistory. It is as if the collapse of previous great civilizations is being echoed in our collective karma. I have also been thinking about that progressed US Sun in Pisces, which is a sign of dissolution and confusion. And in the US chart we have a Neptune (Pisces ruler) square to Mars. The country has never been here before and it is the end of a cycle. Perhaps it implies the next 30 years (29 now) will be a time of reorientation and loss of the old way, followed by a real Renaissance when the progressed Sun goes into Aries. I would like to think it won't take so long, but it could. The movement of progressed Sun from Pisces to Aries is a huge shift. Posted by: Nancy on September 19, 2005 03:10 PMAries can certainly the sign of pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and getting it done! I pray that's how it manifests. I heard Howard Fineman on MSNBC this morning trying to counter Imus's cries of Bush stupidity. Fineman was saying Bush is the great delegator. DUH! After Katrina??? This from brother Jeb:
Gov. Bush & his mystical buddy After more than an hour of solemn ceremony naming Rep. Marco Rubio, R-West Miami, as the 2007-08 House speaker, Gov. Jeb Bush stepped to the podium in the House chamber last week and told a short story about "unleashing Chang," his "mystical warrior" friend. Here are Bush's words, spoken before hundreds of lawmakers and politicians: ''Chang is a mystical warrior. Chang is somebody who believes in conservative principles, believes in entrepreneurial capitalism, believes in moral values that underpin a free society. ''I rely on Chang with great regularity in my public life. He has been by my side and sometimes I let him down. But Chang, this mystical warrior, has never let me down.'' Bush then unsheathed a golden sword and gave it to Rubio as a gift. Posted by: Pat C on September 19, 2005 03:26 PMStunningly insightful article Nancy! Posted by: Pat C on September 19, 2005 03:28 PMhttp://villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat/archive/001850.php Clinical Insanity Charity Hospital in New Orleans — what a disaster. I'm talking about long before Hurricane Katrina hit. While the Bush regime has been spending millions of dollars in Baghdad, Najaf, and other Iraqi cities through the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to rebuild (because of our shelling) and build hospitals and clinics, what about "Big Charity," as the locals in New Orleans call it? Yes, Baghdad and New Orleans in the same story. Some of us can walk and chew gum at the same time. If, because of the 24/7 coverage of Hurricane Katrina, you've lost track of what's going on in that other Gulf war — where Americans continue to be killed, by the way — check out Ellen Knickmeyer's grimly fascinating story in this morning's Washington Post: More... Posted by: Pat C on September 19, 2005 03:59 PMBrilliant article Nancy. Last night i posted on Morgana's piece about the "hidden forces." You touch here on what i'm thinking of...the layer beneath what is seen as controlling us; banking oil material possessions, the layer that appends to our self. Or perhaps i should say selfish. Possibly there are a few men manipulating at this level, certailnly ideology, religion are factors but it is our own desire nature that through fear and greed allows structures this destructive to exist. It's a global condition and goes back a few thousand years. Many are on the cusp of seeing that we do not need this paradigm to create / manage community. Once our resources were limited to what was available in a natural state. Controlling them made sense and became a base for a cultre of need/ greed. Many now see that we can use our intelleigence to create sustainable community. The trap for us will always be trusting there will be enough, seeing self as connected to all-selves. If we simply replace fossil fuel with alternative renewable energies but still keep the controlling financial (etc) structures that only allow a few access then we have done nothing in confronting our addiction to greed contol abuse the hidden selfish desires. tseka Posted by: tseka on September 19, 2005 04:23 PMLast week the Cosmic yod had an impact all over the world. It was the most violent week ever in Iraq, Germany did not elect a clear winner in thir elections leaving their politicians and government in chaos and forcing a coalition or working together of completely opposite parties, NZ is struggling with the same thing in their elections, Bill Clinton has thrown an "odd" screw into the Bush Machine (Condi Rice attended Bill's Initiatives)and while a smoother talker when reading between the lines of his group there is much to question, Bush is falling rapidly in the polls and neither the GOP or the Dems seem to be able to stand up for anything. Roberts is going to be confirmed but all the people (except the politicians) seem uncomfortable with this choice, the media has done a hard sell on him. There is no way to pay for NO, Afghanistan is heating up, and California is warning of their Levee system. This yod falls on the 2000 Jupiter/Saturn grand conjunction (which sets the tone for a 20 year period) and Neptune is activating the 1999 Solar Eclipse Grand Fixed Cross (that has always brought trouble) Too many things are pointing toward the "education" of the people to accept a one world government, and all the players are in place right now. The crumbling of the US and its constitution and no one to help, the Corporations, chaos throughout the world, a threatened pandemic, the media, Bill Clinton as the first President (and isn't he suddenly acting the part) 2006 is going to be the "shift" year. The Democrats (politicians) should be screaming from the rooftops about Global Warming, Homeland Security, Negroponte, the neo-cons, Iraq, NO, even the overturning of the Davis Bacon Act, borrowing money daily from China, Saudi's, Japan, and UK, the Bush administration having a "fund-raiser" for Iraq, and the list goes on, but they are not. While we desperately cling to the notion that Bill Clinton or the Democrats are going to save us from the diaster in the WH, the last 5 years should have shown us that isn't going to be the case. The change is here and we might want to think about not looking backward to what was and start looking at today and what is being set up for us, and how will we work and survive within the NWO. Posted by: Sally on September 19, 2005 04:56 PMSally....thanks so much for the info on Daylight Savings Time after the war....I need to find dates on this....but now I know his ascendent, although I kinda like 22 virgo for Bill....! This is a man, with a Libra rising sign, who is really really ruled by Venus! Posted by: judi g on September 19, 2005 05:07 PMhttp://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/091905Z.shtml Wake Up So we have come to cash this check - a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. What Bush's Katrina shows once again is that my son died for nothing. If you listen to Bush - and fewer and fewer are, thank goodness - we are in Iraq in part due to 9/11. All our president has been talking about has been protecting this country since 9/11. That's why people voted for him in the last election. Katrina shows it's all as sham, a fraud, a disaster as large as Katrina itself. Hundreds of billions and tens of thousands of innocent lives wasted later, what have we achieved? Nothing. Casey died for nothing and Bush says others have to die for those that have died already. Enough, George! What is disgusting is not, as the first lady says, criticism of you, but rather the crimes you've committed against this country and our sons and daughters. Stop hiding behind your twisted idea of God and stop destroying this country. This week I arrive in Washington DC to begin my Vigil at the White House just like I did in Texas. But this time I'll be joined by Katrina victims as well. In your America we are all victims. The failed bookends of your Presidency are Iraq and Katrina. It is time for all of us to stand up and be counted: to show the media, Congress, and this inept, corrupt, and criminal administration that we mean business. It is time to get off of our collective behinds to show the people who are running our country into oblivion that we will stand for it no longer. That we want our country back and we want our nation's young people back home, safe and sound, on our shores to help protect America. That it is time for a change in our country's "leadership." That we will never go away until our dreams are reality. We have so-called leaders in our country who are waiting for the correct "politically expedient" time to speak up and out against the occupation of Iraq. It is no sweat for our politicos to wait for the right time, because not one of them has a child in harm's way. I don't care if the politician is a Democrat or a Republican, this is not about politics. Being a strong leader to guide our country out of the quagmire and mistake of Iraq will require people of courage and determination to stand up and say: "I don't care if I win the next election, people are dying in Iraq every day and families are being decimated." We, as the 62% of Americans who want our troops to begin coming home, will follow such a leader down the difficult but oh-so-rewarding path of peace with justice. It is no longer time for the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. It never has been the time for that. Our "now" is so fiercely urgent. Like my daughter, Carly, wrote in the last verse of her "A Nation Rocked to Sleep" poem: Have you ever heard the sound of a Nation Being Rocked to Sleep? Our leaders want to keep us numb so the pain won't be too deep, But if we the people allow them to continue, another mother will weep, Have you heard the sound of a Nation Being Rocked to Sleep? I haven't read Morgana's piece yet....I copied this whole thread and sent it to myself to print out....but one phrase stood out which I think we should avoid in the future when talking about this administration: "it remains to be seen if THIS GOVERNMENT WILL RISE TO THE OCCASION". They will not rise to any occasion .... ever. They have no intentions of RISING TO THE OCCASION. I think we do our selves much harm thinking they will change. Dysfunctional people rarely change....or as the old joke goes, how many people in Marin does it take to change a lightbulb? Well, the lightbulb has to WANT to change....it is ludicrous to think Rove, Cheney, Bush et al want to change or rise or do anythng other than get what THEY want. Sorry to be so depressing, but I think the whole question of the future hinges on seeing this .....but a great article, Nancy ..... Posted by: judi g on September 19, 2005 05:22 PMI also have a comment on Bill's being kind of hidden for the last year.....he is 59 now, as of Aug 19....this is his Saturn return. He had his heart surgery at the beginning of this. Saturn tends to keep you very quiet (mine was immobilization from shingles, and my problem was doubled by the exact opposition to my natal Sun/Sat at 16 Gemini from tr. Pluto at 16 Sag)....and this was followed by the loss of my career once again, and 6-8 months of constant illness, which I only revived from this past April....what I am saying is, what if Bill is now just reviving physically from intense body invasion by sharp knives (perhaps CHANG was doing a number on him, hehehehe)...what if the Big Dawg (and I haven't even read Morgana's piece to see what she says) is coming out of the body trauma now? Yods can be quite frustrating ....I just ask you all to consider what it means....and if WV is back from Toronto, maybe he could weigh in on body trauma from heart surgery. Although HE doesn't like Clinton much at all either... Posted by: judi g on September 19, 2005 05:31 PMThat yod with apex Mars hit Clinton's Moon, and activated his Taurus (will continue to do so for several months) connection to people and connects to the Jupiter/Saturn grand conj. indicating him to be a big player as the next several years unfold. He's a fixed sign so I expect he is as internally cautious as all fixed signs about change, plus Saturn is now in his Sun sign making him a bit more cautious. The following article explains very well the questions regarding the Clinton Initiatives and I expect in time the people will force those issues to be addressed, but they can perhaps be looked upon as a "start' not an outcome. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2099768 Posted by: Sally on September 19, 2005 05:59 PMSally, in that which can't be ignored, it appears to me that Clinton is a big player in the world....and quite frankly, if I were him, I would be in the Bush's business just t see the operation....and of course, I don't think he could have turned down the invitation to go to Indonesia just because it was with Bush 41....how stupid would that have been in the eyes of the world? there is no bigger dawg than this dawg, whether people 'like' him or not.... The first time I ever saw him on tv in 1991 (and I've never seen him in person), I saw his aura, which was golden. I never see auras, except for one or two other people....and one was golden (a healer) and one was fiery (an Aquarian/ Leo psychologist with massive psychic energy)....but Clinton's was just radiating light gold. I knew then he would be president, and that he would be president twice. Wish I had realized how bad it would get, though.... He has the ability to get things done WHEN he has the reins....or reigns, as it were. Seems to me the bankers want that....not massive debt as Clinton mentioned in his speech....the first time in the history of this country that we have to borrow money from OTHER NATIONS to finance a war. This is Big Dawg speaking....so the powers that be must be really giving him the go ahead. Posted by: judi g on September 19, 2005 06:45 PMJudi, i'm wondering the same. In fact, given all the astrological data and my own "feelings," GB is fast approaching his waterloo. That, however, leads to some intense speculation about who the illuminati tends to put before the world. (As Sally indicated above, we are moving quickly toward that NWO which began acclerating UNDER Clinton!) The upheaval of 2006 seems a fitting precursor to the complete shift in consciousness come 2010. I can't help believe that our meeting (astroworlders) on this site has a significant purpose. Perhaps we are helping one another gain strength both spiritually and psychologically for these times. (((((to all!)))) farrout, gosh, I hope so! Nancy, thank you!! The way I first found your site was through a political blog. Can't remember which one. The blog host--a very politically savvy guy--posted a rather bemused comment that although Astrology is, of course, foolish--there is this charming little site (Starlight News) that somehow is right in its predictions almost all of the time. :-) So I visited Starlight News and from there found Astroworld. How glad I am. Posted by: Barbara on September 19, 2005 07:48 PMBarbara - Thanks for that little anecdote. I really appreciate knowing I am getting out there somewhere, somehow. Posted by: Nancy on September 19, 2005 08:33 PMJudi G. and All.. I heard about a year ago (radio-news talk) that Bill Clinton was thinking about and being considered for Kofi Annan's post.I never heard anymore about it but would sound reasonable to me. He is very popular the world over according to polls. The U.N. is in the midst of their Saturn return also and experiencing a lot of problems with their agenda according to an interview Mr. Annan gave to Leese Ducet (BBC) last week. I didn't hear much here due to Katrina coverage I suppose. Do you think there could be anything to it? Would be interesting to see his chart lined up with the U.N.'s. I love Kofi Annan though. Judi: What exactly do you mean by body trauma and why do you think it is important? I know a little bit about it but am not sure what you mean so can't respond appropriately. Posted by: Beverly on September 19, 2005 08:56 PMBill Clinton took the knives into his heart...ego, pride, and love. His heart is hurting. He had two major surgeries and he's not healed yet. his problem with lust has always been clear. And the problems with his heart are too big. We can't help this man now in his search for attention, love and significance. We have problems of our own. I'd watch carefully all the Saturn/Pluto conjunction people(Bill , Hillary, etc.) as saturn returns. Beverly WASHINGTON, Oct. 20 (UPI) -- Former U.S. President Bill Clinton has set his sights on becoming U.N. secretary-general. A Clinton insider and a senior U.N. source have told United Press International the 56-year-old former president would like to be named leader of the world body when Kofi Annan's term ends early in 2006. Beverly, you asked: What exactly do you mean by body trauma and why do you think it is important? I know a little bit about it but am not sure what you mean so can't respond appropriately. jm chose to make this personal to Bill Clinton....I am not going to do that, for I LIKE Big Dawg.....and there is nothing wrong with lust in my opinion, nor do we get harmed by it in and of itself. What I am talking about is the body energy needing much time to heal from invasive surgery, especially one like Big Dawg....Moon in Taurus (earth Venus) and rising in Libra, Air Venus, with sun in Leo, which rules the heart....Hilary always said he had a big heart....but he also abused his body with food (something I can understand also, and his aura in those years of indulgences was most likely full of holes of all sorts).....knitting together all the trauma to the electrical matrix in the body doesn't happen overnight. Especially at his (our) age. It takes a long time. Whether he is someone who has abused his priveleges with people or not, his heart was way too open, which is one of the main reasons why people like him. So you have a person whose energy of compassion literally almost killed him (that and the cholesteral heredity lottery and the Krispy Kremes). The same will be true for car accidents, burns, or anything that cuts apart the matrix of chi holding us together. INMO. Bush is known as the fittest president ever, because he works out 2 hours a day and goes to bed a 9 pm and doesn't work weekends. His heart is the size of a burned black pea....most likely he won't be dying of an 'open' heart. No, whatever gets him will sneak up behind him...! Maybe a beer bottle....who knows? Farrout, in my personal realm, I just don't believe in the illuminati concept. And I was a fan of the X Files, too! AND I know someone who said she was indoctrinated by them....and if these be the Freemasons...well....most of them are captains of industry in some way too.... But in the material world, the people at the top in power and money obviously and naturally drift together (all the top captains of industry used to go to a big thing every August in where.....Sally, do you know? CO or Idaho? Was it Jack Welch's, or Michael Milkin's before he went to prison?....anyway, they decided who was going to get what at that meeting....Sumner Redstone of Viacom was always in that mix...along with Ted Turner until he sold to Time Warner, Steve Ross of American Express, until he died young and many more names from the top corporations, including the robber barons of the 1980's.) This is not the same thing as the SF gathering which I've blanked name wise on just now...if these are the illuminati, well geez.....all they care about is money and power, which means they are more like Ringling Bros than illuminated individuals. Just my bias of course.... Posted by: judi g on September 20, 2005 12:59 AMBut we agree, judi. "knitting together all the trauma to the electrical matrix in the body doesn't happen overnight. Especially at his (our) age. It takes a long time." That's exactly my point. He's sick. I would prefer to follow the lead of a healthy man. Posted by: jm on September 20, 2005 12:59 AMTseka, I remember all that talk about the UN and Bill Clinton also....must have been squashed by the neos....as they wanted Bolton in there to mess things up, and it never would have happened with Clinton as UN chief. Posted by: judi g on September 20, 2005 01:01 AMbush is a very healthy man, jm....FDR was sick as a dog also, besides being crippled....and did great things in his illness..... I don't see any moral winner in a man with a great fitness level and an abomnible ability to lead. One has nothing to do with the other. Bill Clinton is not now ill....he is recovered enough to do what he is doing....for as long as he has left. Which I hope is a long time. Posted by: judi g on September 20, 2005 01:05 AMJudi, Bush is mentally ill. I think he is developmentally disabled as well...a severe learning disability. I just see such a once in a lifetime chance for this society to take a leap ahead, to trust ourselves, and to let go of some of our dependence on men. I feel compelled to sing the praises of the ordinary people of my country right now in their response to this disaster. To me, we are the biggest luminaries of the moment and I don't want it to end. Posted by: jm on September 20, 2005 01:13 AMFor those who are watching the St Patrick's Four trial... jm, and Clinton is not. At least try to separate these things....don't condemn Clinton because you think we should 'be on our own'.....they are really two different issues. I don't disagree with that idea either, ....but I don't think that we are NOW at that point. I don't think that scenario will happen for a very long time.....if it does at all. Human nature being what it is, it goes in cycles.....and we are in the power cycle of politics. Frankly, I can't see anytime in human history where people have done it on their own except perhaps in cooperative agrarian or primitive societies. Of course, we could end up BEING those again....given the Bush agenda. Posted by: judi g on September 20, 2005 02:07 AMjm, I should add that basically people WANT people to lead them. Myself included, because not everyone has the ego to do so....what we really want is people to do it in such a way that we agree with the results. But we are at a junction in history where the rubber is meeting the road. We are seeing the insanity. Posted by: judi g on September 20, 2005 02:10 AMyup. Posted by: jm on September 20, 2005 02:13 AMtseka, very interestin on the Clinton piece. I remember it well now that you remind me. ;-) Most of the world was sure the US had lost it's mind when Clinton was treated so horribly. Posted by: Pat C on September 20, 2005 02:16 AMPat C.....and of course, the rest of the world was not only right, but horrified......and it wasn't Clinton, it was the 'interruption' of the reign of the bushwhackers. Anyone who reads this thread of nancy's, be sure to go to the sun magazine article by Joseph Perkins....very interesting... Inspiring, because here is a man who DID develop a conscience. Posted by: judi g on September 20, 2005 02:50 AMExcellent Judi! Posted by: Pat C on September 20, 2005 03:17 AMPat C....just wrote to Mark Crispin Miller and thanked him for speaking 'truth to power'....asked to be put on his mailing list.... Posted by: judi g on September 20, 2005 04:42 AMWell, you all heard the story about the FDA appointing a vet to head womens health. Here's the sequel, somebody got to them and said no, no. Did you know the vet's speciality is "animal husbandry." You can't make this stuff up! --------------------------------------------------- FDA Rethinks Women's Chief By Marc Kaufman
An FDA veteran trained in animal husbandry who spent much of his career in the agency's Center for Veterinary Medicine, Alderson quickly became the subject of active and largely negative comment on the Internet and elsewhere. The Office of Women's Health serves as a liaison with women's health groups and as an advocate on women's issues; critics said that a man with a primarily veterinary background could not properly fill the role. The last director, Susan Wood, resigned last month to protest the agency's unwillingness to make a decision on whether to make emergency contraception more easily available. Three days after the Alderson announcement, the FDA main press office sent out a very different announcement. It said that 20-year FDA veteran Theresa A. Toigo would be the new acting director of the women's health office, and that she would be a champion for women's health inside and outside the agency....Asked yesterday who exactly was running the office, FDA spokeswoman Suzanne Trevino said that Alderson had never been appointed acting director. She said that Toigo would take over from the departed Wood, and that her office knew nothing about the statement regarding Alderson, who is the agency's associate commissioner for science....
Ok, judi g In these last moments of the Sun in Virgo I'm going to get a little nitpicky and point out more than a minor flaw in your argument. You said "jm chose to make this personal to Bill Clinton...." This is fine, but then you immediately went on too say,"I am not going to do that, for I LIKE Big Dawg...". Well if that isn't personal, I don't know what is. For the sake of debate, when you start with this kind of faulty reasoning the rest of the statement runs the risk of not being perceived as credible. Other than that, some good points were made. Unfortunately, when it comes down to an assessment of these illustrious leaders, it most always is painted with feelings. It does keep the firey debate alive. And I admire your loyalty. You like the guy, and one can't really argue with that. I am not going to do that, for I LIKE Big Dawg.....and there is nothing wrong with lust in my opinion, nor do Posted by: jm on September 20, 2005 06:31 AMoops! That last part wasn't supposed to be there. But lust snuk in! Posted by: jm on September 20, 2005 06:34 AMtouche....! I was trying to avoid saying things which would somehow make him a victim....he himself says he didn't treat his body well in his younger years....so he owns up to his faults, and so for that I won't fault him....I just didn't want to use the judgementalness towards him, as I like him. I have no trouble being judgemental towards bush however....for I don't like him. Posted by: judi g on September 20, 2005 08:31 PMThank you tseka, Judi G., and jm for your interesting comments on U.N./Clinton. FYI: I found this wonderful site by a group called The Aquarian Age Community in New Jersey. They list the UN chart and excellent articles about the spiritual purpose/significance of the U.N. Very interesting reading. We were all thinking along similar lines concerning body trauma. Emotional diffusion must accompany any surgery as the original issue (heart) is retained in cellular memory and surgery doesn't deal with the underlying cause. The peace and prosperity we experienced during his leadership are enough for me. He would be great for U.N. leadership. Posted by: Beverly on September 20, 2005 09:11 PMThat U.N. site doesn't give the chart??? If you type it in the address bar just as I have it above, it will come up. Posted by: Beverly on September 20, 2005 09:34 PMYes, Beverly, and thank you for your input of understanding and the url for the UN.... OMG, that whole thing about Women's Health Dept head.....appointing a VETERINARIAN to replace Susan Wood? How much more symbolic does it have to get from these clowns? Posted by: judi g on September 20, 2005 10:04 PMBeverly, that is my crusade. Getting to the underlying cause. That's my dream for this country. To get to the root of the cancerous regime that has taken control of the body politic. judi g, I hear ya completely on like and dislike concerning people I don't even LIKE to mention any more. Posted by: jm on September 20, 2005 11:43 PMjm who is 'we'? why do 'we' have to get to the root of the evil in this country? 'We' don't have to do anything other than work on ourselves to refine what is an isn't a correct path for ourselves, creatively, emotionally, physically....I don't like this "we' stuff at all. btw.....I like John Kerry, I wish he were president, I voted for him. And I believe in Bill Ciinton. And Hillary for that matter. As much as anyone CAN believe in people one doesn't know personally. And I don't believe at the moment that Al Gore will ever run for president again. He may be having too much fun doing his networks. Posted by: judi g on September 21, 2005 01:47 AMGreat point, judi. I don't care for the "we" stuff myself. This is a constant pickle. I totally agree that the main thing is the right path for ourselves. Posted by: jm on September 21, 2005 09:12 AMNot to fond of the "they" stuff either. Posted by: jm on September 21, 2005 09:27 AMSadly..............Al Gore is our road not taken! Our missed opportunity. No way he'll ever run again. Not because he's having fun; but because he's sane! 1. Statistics show we elect Governors far more often than Senators.............. 2. He attended the Bilderberg this past year! 3. He has a pretty liberal voting record in the Senate, letting Lautenburg, express opinions publicly, & quietly voting with him. This apparently not an urban legend. This came from within the court house in the State in which I lilve. ~DARE program have issued this warning~ Police officers working with the DARE program have issued this warning: If you are driving after dark and see an on-coming car with no headlights on, DO NOT FLASH YOUR LIGHTS AT THEM! This is a common Bloods gang member "initiation game" that goes like this: The new gang member under initiation drives along with no headlights, and the first car to flash their headlights at him is now his "target". He is Police Depts. across the nation are being warned that September 23rd and 24th is the "blood" initiation weekend. Their intent is to have all the new bloods nationwide drive around on Friday and Saturday nights with their headlights off. In order to be accepted into the gang, they have to shoot and kill all individuals in the first auto that does a courtesy flash to warn them that their lights are off. Make sure you share this information with all the drivers in your family! Please Forward this message to all your friends and family members to inform them about this initiation ritual. You can save someone's life if you heed to this warning. Posted by: Pat C on September 21, 2005 05:10 PMOOPS! http://www.snopes.com/horrors/madmen/lightout.asp Jeez I'm sorry. I guess court houses aren't immune. Posted by: Pat C on September 21, 2005 05:37 PMI can't speak for jm but I interpret the "we" thing as the collective. Beverly, Yes. I think with the Uranus/Neptune in Aquarius mutual reception we are drwan into this consciousness. As an Aries rising, I usually don't worry about the we, but ever since the invasion of Iraq I have felt an irresistible urge to participate way more than usual in collective interaction. Way, way more. I am still adjusting as I think I might stay in the 'we' for a while. I think Judi was referring to the problem of one person speaking for the whole, but this is unavoidable. I, personally, am interested in what people's perceptions of the whole are and what 'we' can do together to solve our collective problems. I'll take all suggestions. jm: Your comments were very interesting. Personal catalysm has the potential to change us but personally I think it takes very deep pain/loss, perhaps multiply losses inorder to get us moving in a growth direction. Most are herd followers or in the consensus state. I don't think I am but give that perception to others so I can maintain a sense of the "normal". That is in my chart somewhere, probably my Uranus in the 6th house, in Gemini. Jeff Green in his "Pluto" books gives a great description on the levels (3) where the populus reside and how we are sometimes forced to change due to catalysm. It helped with my understanding on this very complex issue. As Lori, mentioned and questioned a few months back, mass-ego (Neptune) is breaking down...which I have believed for a long time as witnessed by the apathy of the collective, making way for something new to arise. I do believe though that these inner/outer changes take generations to complete themselves. Posted by: Beverly on September 22, 2005 10:00 PMBeverly, More than generations, I think. I think because of the transits of Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto now in the transpersonal signs, we are focusing more on the collective. It is a great opportunity to change as a whole. Especially as Pluto transits Capricorn. When Uranus moves into Aries, maybe there will be a return to a little more personal evolution. Certainly for me, as an Aries rising there will be! Jeff Green also says that most of the people are the herd type and that about 25% are ahead of the game. I think it might be less. But maybe after this that percentage will change. So it could be important for the individualistic evolved types to be there to influence the whole. There is a constant balancing act going on between personal destiny and collective. But we can read the signs and act appropriately. I know the collective is hanging together a little more than usual now. I think that is the reason for the advent of the blogosphere. Posted by: jm on September 24, 2005 12:18 AMAnd Beverly, I don't think you are a herd type either. The way you pipe up with your opinion without hesitation indicates this. I think we all follow the herd at times when we think that's necessary, or if it's going toward something we desire. The trick maybe is to step out of the group when we sense a bad movement, have conflicting desires, or hear the calling to step up and take the lead. It changes continually. Posted by: jm on September 24, 2005 12:23 AMPost a comment
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