O that Pluto.

Although fear is natural in all of this, hope and anticipation of what we will become are here to. I'm assuming many of us will survive and evolve.

This will happen in stages as a diver comes up slowly and avoid the bends by adjusting at each level. Life is ultimately fair, I think and as we progress through these harrowing experiences we will gain the skills to cope with each phase.
In fact, some of us will ride through easily. And those who do will be able to help others who are struggling more.

The situation with Pluto is this is the last time to aspect Mars and Neptune, we've had a year to incorporate what we've learned about ourselves as a nation and what we want to do about that. There will not be another major Pluto aspect to the US chart until it goes into Capricorn (except a sextile to the US Moon) Without an honest apprasal of ourselves at this time, on it's last "jarring" pass to our national planets, we simply keep creating the same situations over and over. If we want to pull ourselves out of this hole we are in, now is the time for our national dialogue because the window of opportunity will pass in just a few months.

Sally, I have a lot of confidence in the upcoming huge convergence of all the planets in Capricorn in 2020 in terms of responsible government. Although that seems far ahead, it isn't. Fifteen years is barely enough time to get organized if we start now.

Planets bring events and the individual or person reacts to those events and our reaction is dependent upon how we build the past, to move to the present and improve the future. Even if the line up proves to be positive (and astrologers aren't sure of that, at least not in the beginning) we still have to get from here to there as a people. Some people will be pro-active and make attempts to face their limitations or their fears in order to move forward with determination and armed with their best defense, some will not. Very much like those who evacuated the best they could and those who did not. There are building blocks that can be put into place to either withstand difficult energy if it comes our way or better enjoy the positive when it arrives.

Are we to do nothing about global warming or not even try, are we to do nothing about a raging war and with the attendant rise in terrorism, are we to lay down and accept a dictatorship. Are we to continue to turn a blind eye to the issues and problems presenting themselves for solutions? I realize some people will continue to do so, my hope is it won't be all of us sitting down. My hope is many people will act now and over the next few months to participate in building in the present for a brighter future.

US Mars squares Neptune: Might this also be our power conflicting with our dreams/idealism? For example democracy is our dream - but maybe that isn't practical for a world power? Our allies in the Middle East (Saudia Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan) aren't democracies - and if they were the general population wouldn't support the United States. In fact Iran is perhaps the most democratic state in the region at this point.

There is also on the right concepts like libertarianism - i.e. the ideal of small government. With Katrina you see the conflict of a party that equates big government being bad with a disaster that requires big FDR style programs. In fact you could argue that had there been FDR style programs to build the levees that we wouldn't have had thses problems to start with.

In addition there is the irony that the party of small government is brining the nation back into debt due to the war. Again our idealism is in conflict with reality - Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and there weren't any nukes in sight. However both Iran and North Korea have or will have nukes thanks to our allies Pakistan and Russia. There is also the illusion that you can fight a major war (or two) without a draft. The neo-con idealism has to give way to pragmatism at some point?

There is also the idealism of free market economics vs. having so many good paying middle class jobs being outsourced. Having a real estate boom with questionable morgages is also a bit of an illusion too. I think when the new bankruptcy law goes into effect we'll see more illusions break down.

But I don't know if we should all be doom and gloom - a shattering of an illusion is good for the US and the world in the long run. Since 1980 the US has been following the Goldwater/Reagan revolution - which was a reaction to JBLs Great Society/60s counter culture. Perhaps what we're seeing may be the end of that era - and the start of a swing back to the left. This may be wishful thinking - but history does go in cycles so it's only a matter of time.

As per your vedic insight on a health crisis due to Katrina:
http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/44867

Yellow Fever and Hurricanes
http://www.oceanspringsarchives.com/Hurricanes.htm

The worst yellow fever epidemic on record occurred in 1853. New Orleans was particularly hit hard that year, as 10,000 of the 30,000 persons infected with the virus died. It earned the Crescent City the epithet "Necropolis of the South". Two other years of pandemic proportions in the Gulf Coast were 1858 and 1878.

The Pluto/Neptune has shattered illusions big time. The illusion that we could continue as a country any longer without facing our distress. The illusion that we can continue waging expensive, losing wars. The neocon illusion of empire building. And the illusion that we can consume till we burst in death as the upcoming costs will prove. You name it, it's demolished.
Illusions are in place for a reason and they go at just the right time, when we are ready.

I think every time an astrologer witnesses this kind of exactitude, he is awe struck. It never lessens. Astrology is amazing.

Sally, thank you for Danta's Inferno. Very fascinating read. Katrina is calling us to "Wake up!" and I'm wondering if we will. It does seem as though it is starting, especially with the media.

Well Oprah is going to broadcast from the Houston astrodome today. Guess she'll get real life stories from those grateful people who always wanted to live in Houston!!
ABC is focusing hard on the 2 infants that survived and were reunited with their families. Oh and we're going to hear tough questions from survivors asked of the local officials & Michael Brown.

Sally, Unhappily..............my life reflects your article closely.
Eric will be leaving us soon....on the heels of Jennings, the N.O. NON survivors and Reinquist. It is a very Neptune, Mars, Pluto situation. He has not past the denial stage..........
He is in pain and very drugged.............He has pluto in virgo in the 12th.............
My maturnal nurturing is very thin on the ground...t mars in Taurus in my 12th with n sun, uranus, astroid Patricia,
My eclipes, comfort cat is gone......sadly missed...............
My inner CEO, is trapped, chained, beating on the prison walls..................needing to get out and DO SOMETHING to prepare for future survival.............alternative heat, to the oil burning furnace, electric stove! Maximize the dubious passive solar aspects of the house, not to mention processing the GOV grants/loans, needed to repair the leaky roof!
Acutely aware that we po' whites in the cold north east ( blue state) are in jeopardy.
My black friend, in NJ has called and offered me a bedroom in her home for the winter. I will probably go after Christmas.
She is near Phila. and the larger population MIGHT offer more possibility of sales.
I have lost my country...am losing my only son..........................without the clean clear Jupiter, Venus spiritual experience when my Father died in '81.
My senators may be the key to political change, I am not holding my breath! I encountered a very disturbing left leaning blog on Americablog.............The moderate lefts, supporting Cindy Sheehan's initiative to withdraw troops from Iraq, were NOT GOING to go demonstrate with those far left moonbats with orange hair and dreadlocks, who have a mixed bag of platforms, like saving Haiti! They ( moderate leftists) think we saved Haiti??????????
Michael from NYC, did you see that one? I think you are the same that posted several clear consise comments on that site yesterday! WELL spoken....
PQ

I think you'll do well, Pq.
You're connected.

Danta's/Dante's Inferno, the name is interesting for FIRE it seems, is the also the province of Mars. Neptune (through Katrina) has dampened that fire, at least momentarily. This is an excellent article, Sally. You can hear the sizzle of your anger running beneath it.

Through slick marketing, and continued propaganda, this country has come to idolize that which will be its undoing (if we don't wake up).

This country was built on the backs of slaves. We've never acknowledged that as a collective. And, in our ignorance, we continue to consume far more than we need and continue to enslave and marginalize others both in this country and outside of it.

The spiritual morass created because of it and because we stole the land we live on has come home to roost. It's time to atone.

karen

And let's not forget that during all"the decades long corruption and deceit of our government" there has been one prevalent figure, a man in the shadows, a finger in every nasty pie that has led us to the meal of humility this country dines on today, the father of that psychopath in the WH. Look around you at the pResident's men for they were put in place and/or aided and abetted by the father. And lest we forget his beautifully minded, Lady McBeth mother, she who was sold to us as the granny of the nation. This family has been the gateway for much of the corruption in this country, if not the world, since Prescott cozied up to the Nazis and before. We have bought their line of glib as they wreaked havoc on our democracy from the inside out.

Patq, so very sorry to hear about your son, may the universe bless him and keep him safe in that place where misery and pain do not exist.

European aid piles up in Europe waiting for
America to accept

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050906/ts_nm/aid_eu_dc

Excellent article, Morgana. This country is going through an extremely perilous time. The combination of Pluto's transit square natal Neptune and opposite natal Mars would be bad enough on its own. When you consider that Uranus is now exactly square natal Uranus, it is clear that we face one of the most dangerous periods in US history.

Looking back at the last time a similar combination of planetary stresses occurred is quite enlightening. In the early 1960s Uranus transited Virgo, square the US natal Uranus in Gemini. Pluto was also in Virgo at the time, square the US Mars/Uranus midpoint and approaching conjunction of natal Neptune. Transiting Mars in Sagittarius sealed the catastrophe, as it squared the US Neptune and opposed Mars. All the symbolism was in place for a national tragedy which would alter the political and social landscape for a generation.

The date? November 22, 1963. The event? The assassination of John F. Kennedy.

Even a cursory examination of US history will show that stress to the US natal Uranus poses an extreme challenge to presidential power and popularity. Nixon was forced to resign when Neptune opposed the natal Uranus in 1974. Clinton was impeached when Pluto opposed Uranus in 1998. World War II, the Civil War and numerous other scandals and catastrophes were associated with such transits.

Upheaval of some sort is a given in this astrological climate. Personally, I have looked at this time period with a sense of foreboding since 2000, when I began to look at long-term trends for the US. The danger will last at least through 2008, with Uranus continuing on to transit many Mutable hotspots in the US chart. It is eerily reminiscent of the astrological patterns this country weathered in the 1960, when Uranus and Pluto rampaged through Virgo with devastating results.

It pains me to say that the troubled times have just begun for the US. In fact, this may be the worst challenge our country has ever faced. We are ruled by a murderously incompetent oligarchy whose members are bent on raiding the Treasury and ruling for their own gain. Our rulers have just proven that they are willing to sit idly by while thousands of us die needlessly; we've been put on notice that each and every one of us is expendable. No terrorist or foreign enemy has ever posed the sort of threat to American lives and property that the Bush crime family does. Will Bush's Nero-like depravity cause further suffering and death? We can only pray the country survives his mis-rule.

Pat Q, I am so saddened to hear about your son. Sometimes it all seems so hard, so painful.

Mike of NY, you are absolutely right in you assessment of the Mars/Neptune very astute and profound. And m. wow, what a visual of the WH and the man who occupies

Cap'n Sally, stunning article (are we surprised?). Just stunning. I spent some time last night trying to find a link to Kathe Kollwitz's drawings of the Dance with Death theme, but couldn't find one. Seemed like the perfect illustration to accompany your very fine article.

I feel very sorry for Nagin. I don't think his fears are unfounded, there are several examples of governments, ours and others killing elected officials.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46134

Pat QOP, I do hope you join your friend around the New Year. Yours has been a time of great struggle during the last few months, in the most crucial sectors of your personal life. I have been admiring you from afar. Your strength and wisdom shine through, regardless of the intensity of the challenges placed upon you at this time. You are a warrior.

Mike NYC

I do think we are seeing the end of an era, but I believe it goes back to 1958 when the John Birch Society began. Sally once said that Chiron does it's wounding at 50 years, which will be in 2008 for the group that started, ever so quietly, with the conservative moment which reaped its rewards big time starting with Raygun.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ImpeachBushNOW

: Thanks to Nancy in Jacksonville FL for sending these links. It's more than incredible; it's criminal. Many say race was the reason Bush's team delayed. I believe it was more than that. Louisiana's governor, Kathleen Blanco, is Democrat; New Orleans' mayor, Ray Nagin, is Democrat. Mississippi's governor is Haley Barbour, former Chairman of the Republican Party. Alabama's governor is Republican.

So, yesterday Bush holds a press conference in Mississippi 50 miles inland from the devastation with Gov. Haley Barbour beside him; Karl Rove in background. Then he flies to Baton Rouge unannounced to meet with Governor Kathleen Blanco. The White House used the lame excuse the phone lines were tied up. The State of Louisiana denies it.

But one thing is for certain and stood out to me yesterday: KARL ROVE was standing behind GEORGE BUSH at every event. I watched him. CBS tried to interview Rove, but he brushed them off. To me, that was clear evidence of what was behind the delay in aid to Louisiana. 10,000 died as a result.

For, it wasn't only New Orleans neglected, it was all the Louisiana Delta parishes as well -- WHITE areas. The math is clear: Mississippi and Alabama FAVORED; Louisiana UNFAVORED. Remember the posting I wrote two years ago, "PROTECTED & UNPROTECTED"? Well, it fits the same pattern.

The delay in rescue was POLITICAL, it's clear. Everything Bush does is PARTISAN -- from "town-hall" meetings where he excludes anyone from attending not Republican, to national disasters. You see, it doesn't matter how many lives are lost in a war based on lies or a category 5 hurricane where rescue was delayed several days in a deliberate effort to smear state and local officials of the opposing party. It only matters, in Karl Rove's way of thinking, that the Republican Party remains on track to one-party rule. That's his stated goal. Read his own writings. So, national disasters, 9/11, Iraq, gays, abortions, religion or any and all nasty prejudices will be brought to center stage to fulfill his and George's dream. Drive a wedge in the heart of America! All cards are on the table; the lives of thousands are irrelative.

If they handled Katrina in such manner, just think what they'll do in case of another major terrorist attack? They hire only cronies to head jobs most important to the American people. A guy who ran the American Arabian Horse Association and was fired from that job was hired by Bush to head FEMA. Why? He was a friend of a friend. And now we see the effect.

The list of links below does not include the Canadian Red Cross from Vancouver BC whose planes were blocked by FEMA from entering the U.S. to aid New Orleans. Read their account, if you please; google it. It's criminal.

Please click on the links and read each case where rescuers, including Wal-Mart, were blocked by FEMA from going into the devastated city. Then read our own Pat Lehmann's account from Wichita where members of her union attempted to deliver aid and rescue to New Orleans but were blocked by FEMA. I know Pat; she and I met here in Fayetteville several years ago. So, this is not an imagined story created to smear the Bush cartel. It's real, folks.

I realize your right-wing friends (and mine) will absorb the coming Rove spin and try to lay blame of Governor Blanco and Mayor Nagin. Remember, Rove and his pals always lie, always will. But our rescuers from NW Arkansas, Wal-Mart, and Kansas were BLOCKED by the sons-of-bitches! Let's not forget it when we hear all the drivel from the other side. These are facts that can't be erased.

Just take a look at this list:

FEMA won't accept Amtrak's help in evacuations

FEMA turns away experienced firefighters

FEMA turns back Wal-Mart supply trucks

FEMA prevents Coast Guard from delivering diesel fuel

FEMA won't let Red Cross deliver food

FEMA bars morticians from entering New Orleans

FEMA blocks 500-boat citizen flotilla from delivering aid

FEMA fails to utilize Navy ship with 600-bed hospital on board

FEMA to Chicago: Send just one truck

FEMA turns away generators

FEMA: "First Responders Urged Not To Respond"

That last one is real ---not satire but straight from FEMA's website.

Disaster - government failure! Seems to be a pattern Pat C. 9/11 still has unanswered questions as to why the government did not respond in its normal manner. Why were their so many system and department failures on 9/11, people are still trying to get those answers.

Someone sent me this article, I've never heard of this or anything like it, but if true (and it seems to be true) betrayal of its citizens seems to be a nasty habit our government has fallen into.

http://www.ussliberty.org/report/report.htm

This article puts me in mind of a realization I had several years ago. We live in one world and our government is in another, only they have the power of our life and death in their hands. Wonder how we take that back now?

Poll needs help. Getting freeped.
http://www.cnn.com/

((((((Pat POQ))))) and I am not a huggy person.

farrout, a friend just called me to describe her new t-shirt. It is printed with a very old photograph of a Native American war party. Underneath are the words:

Homeland Security
Fighting terrorists since 1492.

WIth all due respect, Cap'n Sally, the assassination of JFK and the many, many unanswered questions swirling around that singular event represents (for me anyhow) the beginning of something extremely sinister deep inside the US.

I can't stay online right now but I just posted on the previous thread. Briefly, the site for housing being offered is

www.hurricanehousing.org.

Thanks Pallas for posting my news & for the offer of financial help, Pat C & all. Your are very good friends and I am ok right now.

I can't read this article yet but look forward to. I will check back later.

Love & Light to all of you,
Sharon

It is a pattern Sally. I personally am aware of technologies that have been supressed by the government and corporate powers for decades that would have alleviated most if not all of the troubles that have taken us to war and deprived our people of comforts in order to maintain the corporate status quo of huge profits. I personally think those who have tried to break that pattern have paid with their lives in one form or another. The people in power are invisible and they have loyal servants who carry out their bidding. Life to them is cheap, so cheap that genocide and assination are easy. The hydra must be exposed one way or another.

Pat QOP, may you get all the help you need, spiritually, emotionally, and physically . You and Erik are in my warmest thoughts. I yearn for your healing. I know that Erik know how loved he is, and that in itself is amazing.

Sharon, you are in my warmest thoughts. Please keep us informed of your wellbeing.

http://villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat/archive/001247.php

Morning Report 9/6/05
Bush Team Starts Image Cleanup
Military retirees, Halliburton are safe. World wonders whether reign will ever end.

Holding back supplies and relief efforts - - pure politics or once again, just a matter of greed? I believe i read somewhere that FEMA privatized all disaster relief work. Why allow others to supply goods and services when it was their cronies who were supposed to get the bonanza. The werent going to let anything go in until their guys were in place. We already know that Haliburton has received a new non-bid contract to rebuild.

Hey all, here is another cool t-shirt that I got a few weeks ago.

It say's:
SAVE AMERICA
Save the World * Save Our Freedom * Save Our Constitution * Save Our Rights * Save Our People * Save Our Enviroment * Save Our Economy * Save Our Jobs * Save Our Land * Save Our Education * Save Our Health * Save Us

This and other Anti-Bush, Impeach Bush shirts can be found at sendatee.com.

The Homeland Security T posted above can be found at coyotescorner.com.

These shirts are a great way to where our opposition on our sleeves.

Ooops...the brain and the fingers misfired. That should be wear instead of where. Going back to my cave for now....

I love it...how many more ads can we get running ? I would love to see it, even if it was a campaign ad..

Fox's NY affiliate refuses Bush 'no clothes' ad

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050906/pl_nm/media_fox_dc

Sally wonderful to wakeup to your Dante's article. There are a lot of powerful times coming up sure hope the People grab the power and wield it well.

I'm waiting to hear what Wes Clark has to say about this, so far he is the leading contender in straw polls. Hillary is already swinging, sort of..girl style.

From BBC NEWS

Martian volcanoes 'may be active'

By Paul Rincon

BBC News science reporter, in Cambridge

Mars' North Pole contains fields of volcanoes Fields of volcanic cones discovered at the North Pole of Mars suggest the Red Planet could still be geologically active, scientists have said.

http://tinyurl.com/82kvt

Number of dead in the hurricane disaster going
well over 20-30,000.shrub,cheny crooks are at
work to suppress this real casualty number from
coming out and delay that news as LONG as they can
Because if the number is released sooner, people
will get mad and angry and for their necks.That's what these corrupted ones are afraid of. 2 or 3
small towns of population of 15,000 each, east of
New Orleans but near Mississipi river have been
90% wiped out. Besides, lots of casualty in New
Orleans. So as this WORST disaster was unfloding,
shrub was vacationing, no body knew where cheny was(probably in a bunker),cunti rice was more interested in fun in NY and attending bradway show
parmalt and all these crooks say they were well
prepared for terrorist attacks. Do you believe this crock from these LIARS? Only preparation they knew and performed was instilling fear by
raising the color to RED or Orange. These are total inept, incompetent bumbling Inspector Coleasu(of pink panther) characters who know how to fool people and steal elections. I hope the citizens here on Sept. 24 go for their heads. Not
a single one has resigned after bumbling and sleeping through this worst calamity to hit in the last 50 years, worse than 7/11 and all others
put together.

Too true Raj.

* Changes in Saturn Rings Baffle Scientists http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/05/AR2005090500680.html

Frontier Airlines out of Denver is offering free flights to evacuees with 60 days of free accommodations and assistance in finding employment.

Folks, these people are being put up in luxury hotels.

As Donald Ray Seals says: "I elected to come to Denver because I want a fresh start. That's what snow means to me. Fresh. It is the advent of excitement."

VEDIC PREDICTIONS

http://www.jameskelleher.com/world.htm

what is so reassuring to me is that Denver is not offering these people temporary shelter, but a new and permanent home. I am so proud.
I imagine when you treat people this way, they have a tendency to respond in kind.

Randi Rhodes is guessing that they will let it go all the way down and declare it a total disaster area, and aquire it for development to as the prime realestate it is. She said they wanted them to die.

Randi went on to compare it to the method used by Bush to aquire the Ranger stadium in Texas. He got it condemned. When it went to court the owner won and was paid 7 million dollars, but Bush made millions.

She them went on to quote Babs in Texas, about the disadvantaged who are doing so much better now that they are in Texas.

I think she is right. I do hope these people are prepared to hang on to their homes.

((((Pat Q.))))

One day at a time...

Don't forget to take care of yourself too...

Am thinking of you.

http://www.habitat.org/newsroom/2005archive/insitedoc010607.aspx

New Orleans’ sons Harry Connick Jr., Branford Marsalis helping Habitat
Musicians’ support will help communities rise, like a Phoenix, from devastation

From Sarah Miller:

When Hurricane Ivan (category 5) hit Cuba in 2004, the Castro government, abetted by neighborhood citizen committees, evacuated 1.5 million people, more than 10 percent of the country's population. The Cubans lost 20,000 homes to that hurricane---but not a single life was lost, a heartening feat that went largely unmentioned in the U.S. press.

Here is a link to a brilliant article that clearly shows the power of Neptune:
http://www.buzzflash.com/whitehurst/05/09/whi05009.html
It is titled: How Bush Will Use Katrina
and here is the first paragraph:
How Bush Will Use Katrina

A Sneak Preview of the Coming Damage-Control Campaign

by Dr. Teresa Whitehurst

"Already, many Americans don't remember Bush's initial halting response to 9/11, from which he recovered after a few days with his iconic moment shouting through a bullhorn atop the rubble at ground zero. Still, recovering politically from Katrina is likely to take more effort. There is no foreign enemy against which to rally." -- For Bush, A Test of Political Skill, 9/6/05

I'm always suspicious when I hear people like Newt Gingrich and other conservatives criticize the Bush administration, because it's nearly always a ploy, a tactic used when overwhelming public discontent threatens to rain on the Bush parade. When the whole nation gets up in arms about something, there's no point trying to justify or excuse one's actions; in fact, that would be a stupid thing to do because it would escalate public anger that's already at the boiling point. A brief mea culpa is in order, quickly followed by a brilliant defensive campaign that the mainstream media will be obliged to support.

On the last thread the post by PatC about IEM caught my attention - Innovative Emergency Management. That was the company that was hired with federal dollars to come up with an emergency plan for New Orleans, and I find out elsewhere, NY. Also reported is that company gave huge amounts of campaign dollars to Bushco.

Try as I might I cannot find out much detail about that company or the key people except that they have big connections with the DOD/military, with a particular focus on chemical WMD's. There is some mention that they were involved with software/technology and weather for the military. Many press releases say Madhu Beriwal owns the company, began in the mid 80's. But it seems odd to me that a company with this many connections/influence would be so positioned, particularly as it is headed by a relatively young woman who, judging by her name, is of Indian ethnicity. She seems to be a very bright intellectual, but it seems she spends a lot of her time showing up at various conventions speaking about jobs creation, among other things. She is also part of Pennington Biomedical Research Foundation - what that means I'm not sure. I have been unable to find anything regarding her family connections, background. All of the material on the company website is nice fluffy marketing but has no details regarding corporate or financial info.

And the thought running through my head all last night was that it wouldn't surprise me if this was yet again a CIA front company. Where would a minority woman have gained the financial backing to start a company that today has offices in multiple US cities and is able to secure huge government contracts?

And now today Sally posts that Nagin has mentioned CIA.

I keep getting bells in my head that there is a huge connection here - does anyone know good media links to prompt follow up investigations on this company and their seeming intimate involvement with the DOD?
The implications to me are stunning.

Sally, yes every word regarding the USS Liberty is true!!!!
My brother in-law was on that ship and still suffers from his injuries to this day. I have heard with my own ears his story and what went on that day. He was terribly injured and it was a miracle he survived.
The story of the USS Liberty was my first glimpse of the fetid underbelly of the US govt/miltary industrial complex.
And it does not have a lone political party affilliation.

kiwijeanie, that is a very worthwhile project (understatement). We have some wonderful researchers on AW. Let's do it.

The Liberty survivors are still fighting to be heard - my brother & sister in law are pictured in this article (Pam & Larry Weaver)
http://www.wrmea.com/archives/August_2005/0508017.html

Nicholas D. Kristof | The Larger Shame
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/090605D.shtml

The wretchedness coming across our television screens from Louisiana has illuminated the way children sometimes pay with their lives, even in America, for being born to poor families. It has also underscored the Bush administration's ongoing reluctance or ineptitude in helping the poorest Americans, Kristof remarks. But Hurricane Katrina also underscores a much larger problem: the growing number of Americans trapped in a never-ending cyclone of poverty.

I'm so sorry kiwijeanie.

The internet is a miraculous tool. let's use it.

Pat Q, I cry for you. May Eric pass with peace, and love. I send you my prayer that you be wrapped in warm hugs of comfort, strength, and remembrance of all the love felt between you and your baby boy.

Sally, thanks for bringing down the hammer with this article. This moment in time canNOT be allowed to pass.

jm: you are SO right; those of us who have been prepared, must stay strong & focused to help guide others in need.

Pat QoP, my heart goes out to you and Eric.

This is from the Oct 2004 issue of Nat Geographic Magazine. It is an errie read given where we are today.

http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0410/feature5/

Shade, coincidentally the NatGeog channel aired during the past week (coincidental timing)on hurricanes. Made a few years back it showed in detail a computer simulation of what eventuated in the NO area.
Of particular interest to me in the article you posted is this:
--
Morton, now with the U.S. Geological Survey, noticed that the highest rates of wetland loss occurred during or just after the period of peak oil and gas production in the 1970s and early 1980s. After much study, Morton concluded that the removal of millions of barrels of oil, trillions of cubic feet of natural gas, and tens of millions of barrels of saline formation water lying with the petroleum deposits caused a drop in subsurface pressure—a theory known as regional depressurization. That led nearby underground faults to slip and the land above them to slump.

"When you stick a straw in a soda and suck on it, everything goes down," Morton explains. "That's very simplified, but you get the idea." The phenomenon isn't new: It was first documented in Texas in 1926 and has been reported in other oil-producing areas such as the North Sea and Lake Maracaibo in Venezuela. Morton won't speculate on what percentage of wetland loss can be pinned on the oil industry. "What I can tell you is that much of the loss between Bayou Lafourche and Bayou Terrebonne was caused by induced subsidence from oil and gas withdrawal.
------

Joshua Micah Marshall over at talkingpointsmemo.com just posted that he had been told there could be 40,000 bodies from LA/MS. Deeply depressing.

SHYLURKER, BEEN POSTING IT ALL DAY....BUT LIKE THE FOOL I AM, WAS POSTING IT TO THE LAST THREAD. 40K BODIES, YEP....AND IF YOU CHECK RAW STORY, LOTS MORE CRAZINESS....

Judi G, just caught a sound byte from Nancy Pelosi on CBS, she said regarding Bush if he only needed to look in the mirror to see who to blame, or words to that effect. Anyway have emailed her to keep it up we can't take this incompetent administration any longer. Her email is
sf.nancy@mail.house.gov Encourage her to rock on she's a firebrand.

George Friedman | New Orleans: A Geopolitical Prize

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/090605R.shtml

Friedman: A simple way to think about the New Orleans port complex is that it is where the bulk commodities of agriculture go out to the world and the bulk commodities of industrialism come in. The commodity chain of the global food industry starts here, as does that of American industrialism.

CNN reporting 5 people from hurricane zone dead
of cholera related disease.

CDC lists cholera under infectious diseases.

OMG Pallas this is the news i've been dreading.

Morgana...sent Nancy Pelosi a huge email....included the fact that I blew up my kitchen today (I posted that on the last thread) with 4 boiled till they explode eggs....and I said if some one or some party doesn't start taking a leadership position, this whole country is going to explode...

how badly did the eggs blow up? was it
an awful mess?
yuck!

Mimi....I am going to tell you...it wasn't deviled eggs, it was crispy burned and dried out and stuck to the vent which takes the air out over the stove....also known as the exhaust filter....and everything within 3 feet was covered. Took me 2 hours to wash it all (no dishwasher, small little galley kitchen). the email to Pelosi came back to me because she is not my congress person....and was going to send it to tom Lantos, who is....but the website is f*** up, and you can't enter the zip code to start the process....I was redirected by Pelosi to the house leadership site, but I couldn't find the contact for her....

the authorities have known about it - and apparently it's just coming out now.

All those people who were dehydrated(unbalanced electrolytes from dehydration + contamination lead to the cholera ) are susceptible.

They've known because it comes out that they have areas of the Houston Dome or wherever they've been taking people to, where they isolate people and watch or treat them.

The repercussions of this, aside from the dead bodies, are just beginning. And they're going to leak it out little by little.

BTW, Barbara "Pentagon" Starr is now reporting that the cavalry arrived 3 ,( count them 3) days after the hurricane struck.

What a lie.

On the other hand the sheer magnitude of this catastrophe has made many reporters,since they're on site and out of the office, come off their censored leashes.
contaminated water or washed with contaminated water at the Convention and Dome

Cholera.....the biggest killer of them all....my cousin (in her 70's) wrote and said she wished the SOBs could all be boiled in oil.
hmmmmm.....OIL. just got it.
http://forum.truthout.org/blog/story/2005/9/6/12745/58492
this is open forum from Truthout....NEVER-NEVER LAND!

Peter Pan visited me last night and took me to NEVER-NEVER LAND. The largest Island of NEVER-NEVER LAND was coming into view, it was surrounded by a large wall of huge boulders. This is "Stonewall Island" Peter explained.  

Peter had the key to unlock the gate leading to the building, but he first had to cut away a lot of red tape before he opened the lock that led us into this large building with many rooms. We entered one room. A sign on the door said "STORE; THEN IGNORE! As we entered I noticed many huge crates, the nearest one was OPEN but didn't have anything in it, it was labeled WMDS. The next crate was full, it was labeled "dissenting opinions" and "warnings" "IRAQ" The next crate we had to break the seal to look inside, it said, "Sealed by the Department of Defense Do Not Open!" Inside we found huge lists which turned out to be lists of names of soldiers. The names of uncounted honored dead were on the lists. The next crates was labeled "Iraqi Election" and publicity expenses, it was receipts for money donated to covert Iraqi organizations, many had the name of unfamiliar organizations, some receipts were for expenses and had the names Allawi,  Chalabi and other Iraqi bigwigs on them. We found a box with the name Rove on it, inside were ideas for shifting Justifications, and different names for the War on Terror, most of them had the notation,"didn't work" try again, on them. Then another box labeled "Recommendations" on how to block investigations. There were names of  suggestions of people appointed to head them up, I noticed one name was Pat Roberts! The next crate contained copies of minutes and briefings some labeled "Downing Street Memos"

Gee, I always wondered where Bush hid all this. There were more rooms I didn't go into but plan to visit soon! Can anyone visit NEVER-NEVER LAND? SURE, the only people who are refused the tour are those in DENIAL, they wouldn't see a thing anyway!

Judi, she gets them but can't respond if you're not a constituent. Something about 'congressional courtesy', I'm not a 'constituent' I'm an angry Californian, and angry citizen, and a really really angry American.

Judi here's how to contact Nancy Pelosi:
just put in a phony SAN FRANCISCO address:
here: use this one:
2590 Webster St, San Francisco, 94115
(it's the italian embassy, i' m sure they wont mind.
Sorry about your eggy mess. does sound AWFUL

Here's what her webssite says:

Email Congresswoman Pelosi

Congresswoman Pelosi wants to hear from you. You can email her at sf.nancy@mail.house.gov, or by using the form below. Please note that the rules of Congressional courtesy prevent Rep. Pelosi from replying to emails if she cannot determine that you are a constituent, so remember to include your full name, address, and zip code.

Even "dead intern in his office" Scarborough is attacking FEMA and the FEDS AND the Red Cross --

no sign of them in Biloxi, Miss, neither the Feds
or the Red Cross - regular people, churches, small organizations coming in and helping them.

Trent Lott being reported as saying he's sick and tired of FEMA saying no no to everything.

Judi, Tseka,

cholera isn't going to be all. The Mayor of N.O.
called it: there's going to be West Nile Fever
Mosqitoes that can carry all over the South, and a lot of other diseases,dysentery, malaria,infections in any open cut, e coli kills, and New Orleans has been known for yellow fever. The cancer from the dioxins dumped from the railroad cars and warehouses carrying chemicals, will show up later.

Personally I think Bush will claim the land for a bigger port and oil refineries and oil storage tanks.

Some Oilman named Pickens was just on and gave another million to the Red Cross in addition to the 5 million he gave before. Well, the bastard certainly should. Where's Exxon's and BP's and Shell's contributions and the rest of them...

And how come there's such a push to give CASH to the Red Cross, which has collected 400 million by the way.

BTW, Did everybody forget about writing the Judiciary to impeach Bush?

Mimi, I love it. I sure the Italians love it too! I would love to see all of these folks told exactly what we think.

The Lost City
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9179587/site/newsweek/

Anchor/reporter David Shuster, who usually sounds right wing angrily stating FEMA and Bush at fault, after spending the day in New Orleans saving people instead of reporting, and seeing dead bodies bursting open.

It took this to get the press to be a free press again ! ? sad, how sad. If they hadn't been cheerleaders for his election, America wouldn't be going throught his incompetence.

If you want to see something interesting, do dubya's chart with chart of the City of New Orleans.

By the way, Katrina's Uranus was conjunct New Orleans' Chiron at Landfall, and opposition New Orleans' Pluto by 5 degrees. Uranus and Pluto both have large orbs - wide aura I think of it as,
but I keep thinking that there was an eclipse from a past year that was triggered.

Independent UK HEADLINE: 07 September 2005

Bush launches inquiry and puts himself in charge of it

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article310798.ece

Scuse so many posts. Forgot to mention , the evacuees are being watched for suicide too.

A plane full of "refugees" was transplanted/flown relocated to Washington DC today: one of them tried to committ suicide on the plane, it was just reported.

BBC story...reporters go in to flooded NO and find a body, and 5 children whose mother is dead....http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4218612.stm

Lots here on local NOLA info

http://tinyurl.com/b2orq

Ja Pallas maybe eclipse
i have a memory of a certain energy around 4-6th december last year a connection/trigger to energy there but i don't know in astrology....maybe somewone else does?
No elcipse then.

Dear PatQOP,
I'm so very sorry to hear your news. I had hoped.
Please know that you and Eric are in my thoughts and prayers. I cannot imagine...I cannot fathom...I have never been able to fathom death, much less premature death. I still haven't recovered from Beirut with it's steady drum roll of death and decay. May God's brightest angels surround you now.

Sally, yes, I was in Lebanon during the 1967 Arab/Israeli war. We all knew the Uss Liberty event was a coverup of the most fiendish kind. Still, there are people who know and who will not shut up about it.

I still think Shrub has just put one of the final nails in his coffin. The press is beginning to wriggle out of it's straight jacket, and the Republicans are in disarray. CNN had quite a report on the animus inside a closed door session of Congress today. Remember you said, "keep your eye on the ball," or something like that. Keep writing, keep yelling, keep protesting...keep visualizing. John Q citizen will bring this government to it's knees. Do you think those in New Orleans will keep quiet? I don't think so.

Yes, maybe this Administration will try and pulverize the city and make it a refuge for the rich and famous, but it will not work.

Beasley, I can feel all the horror you have experienced....I for one have no memory of the USS Liberty or what happened to it....I was going to look it up today but kept getting sidetracked. I surely wish I could have seen what was going on in Congress from the inside.

I had this go thru my head just now....the poem The Midnight Ride of Paul Revere....Listen my friends and you shall hear, of the midnight ride of Paul Revere....

Well....I think WE who are blogging are the Midnight Riders ....

Editor David Remnick of the New Yorker files an eloquent appraisal of french playboy, gwbush....and his leadership skills....http://www.newyorker.com/printables/talk/050912ta_talk_remnick

From Pat C's link " The Lost City"

"I have no idea where my 2-year-old son is," said Nicole Williams, 41. She wore a T shirt marked PLEASE HELP ME FIND MY FAMILY. On the back were listed the names of four family members. They were separated at the I-10 cloverleaf. When Williams tried to reach for her baby so he could ride in her lap, she says, a state trooper sprayed Mace in her face to keep her from getting off the bus. "They maced my mother and my daughter," she said. "Then the door slammed shut."

this could be another catastrophe in the making.
I keep thinking of the Nazis and their box cars to the camps - people were separated and never found each other again - or if at all, 20 years later.

But even the Nazis kept records of everyone they rounded up and shipped.

This is just incredible.

I just Ms. Pelosi and was encouraged to contact the following address below.

Thank you! Please note that if you are not a constituent, this form will not process your entry. Non-constituents should visit http://democraticleader.house.gov to learn more about Congresswoman Pelosi's role as Democratic Leader.

Beasley, but there seems to be no way to contact her....so all you can do is read what she wants you to read.

From Salon

From http://americablog.blogspot.com/

Newspaper headlines Tuesday a.m. after Katrina made landfall in LA on Monday... proving Chertoff's comments that he read in morning paper that NO had dodged the bullet... were untrue (he LIED!)

http://tinyurl.com/9vj6p (newseum.org)

The memo from FEMA Director Mike Brown to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff is available at: http://wid.ap.org/documents/dhskatrina.pdf

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No, really, where is Dick Cheney?
Condoleezza Rice responded to Hurricane Katrina by shopping for shoes. Did Dick Cheney respond by shopping for real estate?
It appears so. Word is that the vice president is purchasing a $2.9 million waterfront home on the Eastern Shore of Maryland, not far from Donald Rumsfeld's weekend estate there.

If the report is right, maybe it explains the vice president's total absence from the response to Hurricane Katrina. God knows, buying a house can be stressful, especially when the house in question is what the Associated Press describes as "a nine-acre estate with ornamental pools and extensive gardens." But still, amid all the haggling over the price and the closing date and all that, couldn't the vice president of the United States find a moment to say something -- anything -- about the worst natural disaster in American history?
Apparently not.
Cheney was on vacation in Wyoming much of last week. And while he's apparently back at the White House now -- we saw a photo over the weekend of Cheney chatting with Karl Rove in the Rose Garden -- he still hasn't made any sort of public comment about Katrina. The Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers announced over the weekend that Cheney has canceled a trip to Calgary that was planned for Thursday, but the vice president's office wasn't available for comment. And if the White House Web site is any guide, the vice president's last public appearance came on Aug. 18, when he used the 73rd National Convention of the Military Order of the Purple Heart as an opportunity to sell the war in Iraq.
Update: The White House says Cheney will visit the Gulf Coast on Thursday, a week and a half after Katrina struck. There's still no explanation from the White House as to what he's been doing or will be doing in the meantime or why -- just to choose one example -- the man in charge of the White House energy task force hasn't had a word to say about the price of gasoline or the effects of the hurricane thereon.
-- T.G.

Pallas, I saw somewhere on somepage that the troops were treating citizens as if they were Iraqis.....in otherwords....just what you posted.

I also posted on the last thread that Rick the sack of crap santorum is planning to see if he can hang somekind of severe punishment legally on the people who didn't leave NO when told to. Raw Story has that one...

Morgana, that was my problem....I put in my own address....I will go back and change all of it and use my old studio address at 580 Washington

Morgana....I just realized that my email address is at sanbrunocable.com which means....I DON'T LIVE ANYWHERE NEAR SAN FRANCISCO... chuckle. I want to send this to Tom Lantos....

I wish folks would stop saying that the Hurricane was no fault of bushaPrissy. One shldn't believe that for a minute. Them monstrous creeps can ENHANCE a storm to make it huge...Katrina was dying & suddenly, it got GIANT! They were looking to wipe out a whole bunch of folks, who were in the way of pink supremacist narcissistic boyz "development." Weather has been manipulated for quite some time now... since at least WWII.

Joanna yes.

From my e-mail:

The reason Bush keeps taking heavy damage on his failure to respond to Hurricane Katrina is not because the media became suddenly more bold or more inquisitive, as is argued in several op-ed pieces around the nation.

Rather, there are two reasons Bush gets hammered each night on the network news and in newspapers all over the world. First, there are no DoD-controlled press pools similar to the ones covering the Iraq War. This lack of government manipulation allows reporters to freely provide on-the-spot live and factual coverage exposing the lies and the incompetence of FEMA, the GOP, and Bush himself. And, second, there is no massive Pentagon propaganda machine set up in New Orleans or other stricken areas to provide their flat-earth version of "balanced" reporting with dozens of press releases and subject matter experts readily available.

Therefore, I predict two things. First, there will be a massive influx of public affairs con artists from military and FEMA-related government agencies into the region who will relentlessly pound home the message that all is OK. And, second, this new propaganda presence will restrict the media with pool coverage or an outright ban on entry into New Orleans, thus allowing the government to dominate the press coverage of the recover with their message all the time. Without coverage of screaming women and children demanding food, Bush's horrible and deadly failure may slowly recede from view as the water is pumped from the new "Lake New Orleans.'

Once this 24/7 Pentagon propaganda team fires up, they'll then confuse the people with a flood of dubious reports that place more blame on the locals with the clear intent to spread the mud and thus make the Federal response appear not as seriously flawed. The DoD press machine will switch the issue from incompetence (blame Bush) to unexpected and overwhelming (blame the locals).

But the bottom line stays the same: Bush Lies, New Orleans Dies. Bush Fails, New Orleans Bails. And to top it off, Al Queda captured a city in Iraq today, as reported by the Washington Post. With catastrophic failures both at home and abroad, please tell me, how bad does it have to get, how many more thousands must die, before Bush is declared incompetent and removed? And citizens we must also reject Bush's neo-con lunatic, John G. Roberts, Jr., from becoming Chief Justice and continuing lunacy for another two generations.

Give it a few days for the major hitters to come in and snuff the press coverage; meanwhile, wait for the press to lose interest and slowly pull out reporters. Be warned that this is coming. Thus, if we don't continuously pound home the message that Bush failed and up to ten thousand people needlessly died, then Bush may get away with yet another terrible crime against humanity.

shylurker: I'd take JFK over any of the last five presidents, but I think it's wrong to see his assassination as part of some inner American conspiracy. Everyone sort of assumes that had he lived we would have avoided Vietnam, but that's a guess at best. However I think it's safe to say that he wouldn't have passed any of the domestic Great Society legislation that LBJ got through - and part of the reason he was able to pull it through was on the guilt that people felt.

But make no mistake the 60s were a turning point. In fact it's amazing to think that Vietnam was such a key issue in the 2004 election. The key irony being that the only vet of that war was painted so poorly by someone who didn't go. It's also amazing to think that the one cabinet member who served in Vietnam is no longer in the White House. Perhaps there are some lessons from that war that haven't been learned yet...

Michael from NYC, it isn't all that amazing when the Fairness Doctrine is gone, and the media is monopolized by corporate ownership. It's not amazing when the software that is run in the voting machines is woned by a Republican operative who bragged that he would put Bush in office.

Really nothing amazing has happened. There is a much stronger force in charge, and the only thing that's amazing about that force is that....well nothing. It's all about power and manipulation.

Michael from NY, my point was simply that something very sinister got embedded in some parts of our government apparatus with the assassination of JFK. And whatever it was has grown and mutated into something that is monstrous today.

I haven't a clue if JFK would have passed the social legislation that LBJ did and I made no such claims. Nor did I make any claims about JFK and that stupid, stupid, wasteful, wasteful war in Vietnam. You inserted those claims. I will speak for myself and you speak for yourself.

Great article Sally on this horrific subject, thank you so much.

Joanna, I so agree. The hurricane was manipulated and it did became huge. Weather manipulations are caused by a system called scalar, used originally by the Russians but used now by this administration.

I agree with Pat C. , of course, the news have started to be reinterpreted, which is why it is so important to e-mail the articles published up to right now to everyone we know asking them to circulate them.

Interesting staging here reviewed by a German journalist of the op-ed and faked news released by W today.

http://norwegianity.com/index.php?id=2353

The 'Recovery Efforts': Wherever Bush went yesterday, it seemed as though people were already hard at work rebuilding the affected areas.
Unfortunately for Bush, there were a few foreign journalists at his photo ops, and they pulled back the curtain on what we saw on TV to reveal that the 'work' was staged for the media. Here's a translation from the German news show web site.

Christine Adelhardt live from Biloxi:

"Two minutes ago the President drove by with his convoy. What happened here in Biloxi during the day is really unbelievable. All of a sudden the rescue troops finally showed up, the clean-up vehicles; we didn't see
those over the last days here. In an area where it really isn't urgent, there is nobody around, all the remaining people went to the city center.

The President is traveling with a press convoy, so they get wonderful pictures saying the president was here and the help will follow. The amount of this catastrophe shocked me, but the amount of set-up that happened here today is at least equally shocking for me.

And there's more, this time on the 'recovery efforts' in New Orleans, from War And Piece:

There was a striking dicrepancy between the CNN International report on the Bush visit to the New Orleans disaster zone, yesterday, and reports of the same event by German TV.

ZDF News reported that the president's visit was a completely staged event. Their crew witnessed how the open air food distribution point Bush visited in front of the cameras was torn down immediately after the president and the herd of 'news people' had left and that others which
were allegedly being set up were abandoned at the same time.

The people in the area were once again left to fend for themselves, said ZDF.

Levee Repairs in New Orleans: As Bush flew around the skies above New Orleans, CNN began showing footage of a bulldozer and dump trucks working on the 17th Street levee, which was the maqin source of the flood waters
in New Orleans. When Bush got ready to leave, he crowed that 'progress is flowing.' But according to Sen. Mary Landrieu, the crew that was working so hard yesterday left and apparently never came back:

But perhaps the greatest disappointment stands at the breached 17th Street levee. Touring this critical site yesterday with the President, I saw what I believed to be a real and significant effort to get a handle on a major cause of this catastrophe. Flying over this critical spot again this morning, less than 24 hours later, it became apparent that
yesterday we witnessed a hastily prepared stage set for a Presidential photo opportunity; and the desperately needed resources we saw were this morning reduced to a single, lonely piece of equipment. The good and decent people of southeast Louisiana and the Gulf Coast - black and
white, rich and poor, young and old - deserve far better from their national government.

Bit by bit, parts of Bush's trip were shown to be less truthful
than we deserved. But when you look at the entire trip - and all of the deceit that went into each part of it - it's an inescapable fact that from beginning to end the trip was a menu of lies and self-serving actions that didn't do the region any good. In some instances, like the
helicopter groundings halting rescue ops, the trip could conceivably actually killed more people.

And that's the bottom line with this administration. You are being lied to, and lives have been lost because of it.

Thank God for Jon Stewart and The Daily Show. They make me laugh and take Bush to task. That's exactly what I need lately.

Bobby Kennedy's murder was the real turning point.

And I still say George Herbert Walker Bush's name is written all over the crime scene.

God, Morgana says we have to eat the bile and watch ourselves digest it and lovely Sally says there will be a pandemic. I'm ready to believe that "They Live" (the classic John Carpenter sci-fi film) was a pre-cognitive documentary.

They can produce the vaccine. They can anticipate the flow of any epidemic. They could have stopped the civil disorder quickly and aided the citizens. They won'e and they didn't. They hate us. We're not even pawns on the board. To them, we are "surplus"...biounits with limited functionality. We are shit to them.

Cash Smith tossed his two young children into plastic trash cans and floated them to safety in the aftermath of Hurrican Katrina.

Now from Denver,

"I've been here one day and I love it already. Oh man, we've been treated like kings and queens, prince and princess."

GHWBUSH was in Dallas working for the CIA when JFK was killed. He remembers being there but not where in Dallas he was nor does he remember what he was doing there. Everyone else on earth almost remebers what they were doing when it happened.
All Reagan and Bush archives are still being held to cover the Iran Contra problems Bush1 has and other things we do not know about.

His records were due to come out just after his son was placed in office. Many were waiting with baited breath. His son changed the law and re-covered his father.

There has just been so much done by these people.

Pat C, Pallas re: Land Grab. The Truthout article sets the framework for reasons why this area has future implications and why the Regime wants to control it. Oversight of shipments, goods and food is a necessary component of control. (You gotto know Monsanto is playing some big part in this.)

Rebuilding will come, much under the radar. And yes, the media is caving under even as i write this. They'll be shut out soon, then spoonfed Regime "news."

Despite the toxic brew, i would think twice about ceding my home to the government! But, those found must leave by force? What, for their own protection? If so, what guarantees do these folks have that they'll have a home to return to? They don't. It's gone. All of it, gone.

I hate sounding like a damn lunatic, but i too believe that much of what is Katrina has been manipulated.

Pat Q, my heart goes out to you. How deep your pain, i do not know. Though death touches us all, the possibility of losing our children seems too painful to conceive of, let alone experience.

karen

Farrout,
I agree and wear my tinfoil proudly.
Toxic fumes are the BFEE's lifeblood.

((PatQ)) ((Eric Sharp)) evoked into my daily wish fufillment chant. Helps with transfiguration too.

Mike, when a head is so far up an ass, all smells like shit, even roses.
Why the BFEE and synchophants can't tell the difference anymore.

Farrout is isn't lunacy any more.

This is a video taken by one of the guys in the 500 boats who was rescueing people the day after the hurricane before they were turned away because of rumors of rescued people pulling guns.

http://current.tv/blog/items/401941.htm

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Just heard on CBS news ALL FEMA RELOCATIONS STOPPED. citing evacuees not wanting to go. MA has been preparing for two days now.. FEMA says it might not bring people. (reported by a Boston TV station). Heres the link to the station that reported it... no link to the story yet...

http://cbs4boston.com/homepage/

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http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBUAQJWADE.html

Hundreds of Firefighters Stuck at Georgia Hotel for Days Awaiting Orders

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http://mediamatters.org/items/200509060011

Fox's Hume, Wilson take cue from conservative blogs, repeat unfounded claim that Bush "pleaded" with New Orleans mayor to evacuate city

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http://mediamatters.org/items/200509060010

Media largely ignored relief delays caused by Bush's New Orleans visit

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http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article310798.ece

Bush launches inquiry and puts himself in charge of it

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http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/7/3443/44582

"U.S. agency blocks photos of New Orleans dead

"Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice."

“I’m sick of the press conferences, for Gods sakes, shut up & send us somebody.” -Aaron Broussard, Pres, Jefferson Parish, Louisiana, Sept 4th, 2005

It occurs to me that there is something very significant in Broussard weeping from his heart/soul for the World to see... same for the response of the two fox noosmen (what are their names?) reporting from THE symbol of ameriCO HyperMachismo, Temple Superdome Football Stadium, wherein the first of the "refugees" were interned... a very clear contrast to classic machismo--cold, cruel, heartless & souless--displayed by bushaRobo & its coterie of freaks. Personally, I think that's what "these times" are all about... bringing the split-off "male" back Home.

I think the reason the press is able to paste on a pair and stand up for something is that they don't risk the danger of being silenced by claims of being anti-patriotic. This is the third big story of the 00's, probably THE biggest and the first they're able to tell without fear of being tagged with that appellation.

This is their favorite kind of 'story' - simply told with no need for graphs or statistics, and gut-wrenching pictures. In other words, even cowardly morons, which most of them are, can tell it. And non-cowardly genuine journalists are free to do their jobs without being in the sights of a rifle as they were/are in Iraq.

They KNOW what these pr**ks have done, like Tim Russert, and have finally, finally had too much to swallow.

The House has canceled the planned hearings on the Katrina response http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/7/7249/88402 . This comes bare hours after the damning Brown Memo -- which showed that Brown waited until the day AFTER Katrina had passed to his ass in gear (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/6/20384/50289) -- was released. Also: Here's georgia10's diary, over at www.dailykos.com, explaining how FEMA -- and Bush -- are the ones responsible for the disaster in NO: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/5/225729/7487 The Gist:
There exists a National Response Plan that all governmental bodies, from local to Federal, are supposed to follow.
The plan specificially states that once the situation is dire enough (such as when the President declares a State of Emergency), FEMA is allowed -- actually, EXPECTED -- to be proactive and to jump into the situation without waiting to be invited in by the local authorities.
The plan also states that FEMA is expected to work with anyone -- government or non-government -- that offers to help out. (In other words, no turning back the Red Cross trucks!) So whenever you hear Bush or his surrogates say that "bureaucracy" or the locals are to blame, know that they are LYING. If Mike Brown or George W. Bush cared about knowing how to do their jobs, they would have been proactive in their handling of Katrina -- meaning that C-130s and Army trucks loaded with sandbags would have been sent to the areas in Katrina's path the second Bush declared a State of Emergency for those areas. Please, cut and save this and send to every reporter you see discussing this. Look up and write down their e-mails, or even call them up. Don't let Bush and his people get away with the blame game.

Another aspect to this morbid situation is this. Though we have been told that martial law has not been declared, what is it, then, when a member of the military forces you from your home?

Again, my thought/intuition set this idea in motion, as well. That is, what are we being prepared for? An immediate response was not forthcoming. Assistance was intentionally held back. The following was in some accordance with this thought.
http://prisonplanet.com/Pages/Sept05/060905brainwashed.htm

karen

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/006437.php

I had heard it suggested by a knowledgable source that a White House representative was listening in when National Hurricane Center Chief Max Mayfield gave that briefing to Brown and Chertoff before Katrina hit.

But according to this August 30th article in the St. Petersburg Times, on Sunday the 28th, Mayfield arranged a video conference call with President Bush himself at the Crawford Ranch during which he explained the hurricane's force and destructive potential.

Perhaps this is common knowledge. But I hadn't heard it before. And it would seem to leave little question that the president himself knew the critical information from Mayfield before Katrina even made landfall.

Said Mayfield, according to the Times: "I just wanted to be able to go to sleep that night knowing that I did all I could do."

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From Florence:

Woe unto you! by Carol Wolman http://www.opednews.com

Curses are considered rude these days. I've been called a hatemonger for believing that Bush should be impeached. That belief has been intensified over the past two weeks.
The insensitivity of the Bush family to the suffering of others is remarkable. Bush commented that his friend Trent Lott, who lost a house to Hurricane Katrina (he has two others) will be rebuilt in a year. "A year from now I'll be sitting on his front porch", says Dubya. What about the millions who cannot afford to rebuild? whose living was marginal at best and have lost everything? Only the rich matter to the rich.
Then there was his mother Barbara's comment about how the refugees love Texas so much that they are better off now. Better to lose the queen of cities, New Orleans? Better to lose one's neighborhood, and home?
This arrogant family has the nerve to interrupt food service to starving people for hours so they can have their photo ops. Here's what Jesus had to say to their ilk:
In the name of the Prince of Peace, Carol Wolman
Carol S. Wolman, MD is a psychiatrist in Northern California. A lifelong peace activist, she has written extensively on the psychology of our times. She is actively working to impeach Bush and Cheney, and invites you to print out a petition to Rep. John Conyers, asking him to proceed with formal impeachment proceedings at http://deependnews.com/memorandum.htm She also suggests you join or form a local group at http://impeachbush.meetup.com/

More...

The "Blame Game"

B*** tried to blackmail Blanco

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x154212

from Georgia 10's diary on kos........................
First and foremost, let me stress that this document is essentially a contract with American citizens.  "By signing this letter of agreement, Federal departments and agencies" commit to implementing the plan.
It is signed by Donald Rumsfeld, Tom Ridge, Tommy Thompson, Porter Gross, John Ashcroft, Colin Powell, Robert Mueller, Michael Powell, and several others.  
THIS is the real "Contract With America."  It is the Federal Government's promise that it will execute the National Response Plan properly.  

NOT A VALID DOCUMENT! THE SIGNERS ARE all gone from this govt.! ( except Rummy & Mueller )If any of you can post on Kos, let them know of this discrepancy! Is the pRez's signature on it????? Is this, and any other contracts with the people that havn't yet been tested............WHY there were so many replacements in the administration after the election????????? Another slick way to weasle out of accountability on a legal basis??

Thank you all for your loving comments........you are the wind beneath my rather feeble wings now ( the right one doesn't seem to work at all!) And for keeping me updated on the latest. There are Tv's Tv's everywhere & not a remote control in my hand!!!! ( at the nursing home)

Sharon, In spite of being safe..this must be so horrible for you. I am so sad because I never got to N.O. In 1992 I drove past just before Mardi Gras, on RT 20 at the top of the state; & couldn't take the time to stop!!! All the cars were heading south but me!
This month's Elle has a travel journal about the city! What a shame that that PR boost has drowned with everything else.
PQ

Pat QofP, all of my love is with you and Eric. All of our souls are there surrounding you both with peace, joy and love.

And don't worry about NOLA. Most of it is still intact, especially the French Quarter and St. Charles Avenue.

Much love,
Sharon

Betsy & Pat C, ( and all) re the post above....
I read somewhere in this past year that someone very close to Lee Harvey Oswald, had GHWBush's ( unlisted private phone number in his address book)
Too busy to look it up now but will put it on my list!( I think it would be a post in AW archives..........Feb.? March? 05
I think I posted at the time...several on the Warren Commission were our neighbors in Phila. Also my daughter's classmate's Father did an Independant investigation, Salandria
He , though my peer, is no longer living!!!!!!! His son, Ernie wound up in jail for stabbing someone to death! ????????? Very curious!!!!!
PQ

"NOT A VALID DOCUMENT! THE SIGNERS ARE all gone from this govt.!"

Not to worry. As long as they had the authority to sign on behalf of US at the time they signed it, it is binding.

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/uss_liberty_remembered.html

Should Brown ("head" (yeah, I know what you're thinking) of FEMA) quit?
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050906222709990005&ncid=NWS00010000000001

Much information on the USS Liberty

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-43,GGLD:en&q=USS+Liberty

Calif. Lawmakers Pass Gay Marriage Bill
Sep 06 10:52 PM US/Eastern

By STEVE LAWRENCE
Associated Press Writer

SACRAMENTO, Calif.

The California Legislature on Tuesday became the first legislative body in the country to approve same-sex marriages, as gay-rights advocates overcame two earlier defeats in the Assembly.

The 41-35 vote sends the bill to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

http://www.progressreport.org
TOP FEMA DEPUTIES MAKE BROWN LOOK QUALIFIED: Before joining FEMA, Brown "spent 11 years as the commissioner of judges and stewards for the International Arabian Horse Association, a breeders' and horse-show organization based in Colorado." (Brown was forced out "after a spate of lawsuits over alleged supervision failures.") Brown's top deputies, however, make him look qualified. The number two at FEMA, Chief of Staff Patrick Rhode, was an event planner ("advance man") for Bush's presidential campaign. He had absolutely no emergency management experience before joining FEMA. The number three at FEMA, Deputy Chief of Staff Scott Morris, was a press flak at the Bush campaign. He previously worked for Maverick Media, the firm that produced TV spots for Bush's campaigns. Morris also has no emergency management experience. In contrast, the top deputies of Clinton-era FEMA Director James Lee Witt ran regional FEMA offices for at least three years before assuming senior positions in Washington."

Campaign pros get top jobs

...........

Make your own Bush Poo Flags
http://www.ikebites.com/pooprotest/multiple.htm

I have yet to hear anyone address the fact that
homes that have been underwater in New Orleans will have to be destroyed due to black mold.
If they try to save them all plasterboard will
have to be removed and wood behind them treated.
If not taken care of there will be thousands of cases of lung disease,fibromyalgia, lupus and god
knows what else.

The Economists take on Katrina...

The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments:
Shortcut to: http://www.economist.com/agenda/PrinterFriendly.cfm?Story_ID=4366649&CFID=64189944&CFTOKEN=4402b56-b6aeff02-99b6-4ec5-9221-5ce81f0ec642

The Guardian's cartoonists are unmerciful to the
Bush gang...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/stevebell/0,7371,1564320,00.html

I think she's hearing us...

At a news conference, Pelosi, D-Calif., said Bush's choice for head of the
Federal Emergency Management Agency had "absolutely no credentials."

She related that she had urged Bush at the White House on Tuesday to fire Michael Brown.

"He said 'Why would I do that?'" Pelosi said.

"'I said because of all that went wrong, of all that didn't go right last week.' And he said 'What didn't go right?'"

"Oblivious, in denial, dangerous," she added.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050907/ap_on_go_pr_wh/katrina_washington

OMG!!!

Michael Moore has a complete guide and directions etc. to Cindy Sheehan's camp and Katrina relief ....lots of things there to send which are practical!!!! please visit.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/

I also sent money to the Times-Picayune account....they have been brave beyond belief....if you want to:
(I screwed up and made it to Friends of T-P but I am sure it will be placed correctly as I wrote a letter and account number on the check)

make checks payable to
Sterling Bank, a/c # 151027625
Friends of the Times/Picayune
Sterling Bank, Bayou Bend Office
5757 Memorial Drive
Houston, TX 77007-8000

I think Pat C. posted this also...

OMG, it never stops....just got this from a friend from his friend who was in Palm Springs:

Story: While touring a neighbors house at La Quinta, another neighbor dropped off a message, neatly placed on the counter so all could see, that stated in so many words that Bush is Jesus Christ and that he is not to be blamed for the disaster in NO. That he is doing his best, that he is competent to handles the mess. One of the other gals, a Demo, said to me: "That was placed on the counter for us to see. How disgusting." I agree.

another email from same friend:

I only caught the statement, not the full story. One of the guests this past week is a consultant to big companies in Washington. She told me that the scuttlebutt in DC is that Bush is ready to break. That he's out of his mind, that he can't handle the stress, that he's just nuts. 

She also said that the move to nominate Hillary as president is gaining ground in DC. I told Anna: "You just wait. The R's will soon throw the book at her, digging up scandal, etc. And Karl Rove will be at his best." She told me that the research on Rove is still on-going. That he is not free of 'pain' yet. 

Olbermann's editorial.....

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/25078/

Crooks and Liars

I've been reading several website with links to newspapers and other media. Some offer sensational stories and it is difficult to know what is credible. Has anyone else heard of armed guards and high fences in Colorado (compared to concentration camps)and hospitals stopping cancer treatment because Bush was nearby? I don't doubt that our government is capable of horrendous and callous acts but I want to know truth from sensationalized half-truths. I don't really expect a response to this post but mostly wanted to express a concern that I have had. Rumors tend to run rampant after disasters.

Excellent article, Sally! I wonder if Pluto's impact will actualize the 20-year presidential curse? One can only hope...

On a lighter note, this article might not be too far from the truth:

Bush Brings Hope, Finger-Licking BBQ Sauce to the Masses
Sep 7 2005 by Tracy D. Farr
http://www.deadbrain.com/news/article_2005_09_07_4002.php.

Judi G, there certainly are those who behave as if GW is JC! I've had it with "Christian" hypocrisy, and so far, my mother-in-law & sister-in-law have been put on notice. Seriously. I will no longer keep my mouth politely shut when someone pretends to be Christian but goes against the very words attributed to Christ. (NOLA disaster is revenge for planned "Southern Decadence" blah blah...oh, too bad all the poor/Blacks suffer for the gays???? WHAT????) I've been much to overwhelmed with sadness and fury to do much more than read & pass some things on for over a week now. I did tell "sis" I hope JC gets here soon: we could use some decent humanity around here.

Teresa: where did you read about the stuff in Colorado? I"m in CO & interested to read it for myself; haven't heard anything like that. But be interesting to read. I know how you feel: trying to sift the crazy s**t from all extremes from the real, true, bad s**t!

Lori, here's the link for the Colorado camp story:

http://blueowlsix.blogspot.com/2005/09/welcome-to-rockies-now-get-behind.html

In the next story, reference is made to Bush's physical condition. Anyone care to speculate?

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/San_Diego_hospital_closed_to_acommodate_Bush_visit_No_ch_0906.html

Thanks Sally on providing us with Kelleher's
vedic astrology site. Since vedic has that extra
info on Dasa periods, one could clearly understand
as Kelleher had explained, why Japan is still in the economic doldrums. The reason is Japan has been in its Saturn Dasa since 1992 and that period lasts for 18 years ie. until 2010. No wonder it is taking a very long 19 years to see the light at the end of the tunnel for an economic
bounce back!

Teresa, I so agree about the importance of checking out stories.

And it is not paranoia, but history, that makes me believe some outrageous story might be floated by Rove et al, so that it can be squashed later and the truth along with it.

Everybody, here is an interesting site with a techno slant--story about some folks who are working to set up net access in shelters.

http://www.boingboing.net

Here's a poll where you can cast blame:
https://www.newsmaxstore.com/nm_mag/aug04a.cfm?refid=1&CFID=1201014&CFTOKEN=12038002

I recommend that anyone interested check out "The Storm of the Century: the Labor Day Hurricane of 1935" by Willie Drye, Lisa Thomas. There are parallels to Katrina especially the attempt (mostly successful) of the people around President Roosevelt to whitewash the government's lack of response to the catastrophe that struck the Florida Keys. Roosevelt himself was not implicated but there were serious concerns that it would adversely affect his chances for reelection in 1936. It is an excellent book.

Fema & the army have clamped down on all press -
except CNN perhaps -

Some news that is getting out from the "camps"

Evacuees' stories are moving, but fence isn't (Denver Post) http://www.denverpost.com/carman/ci_3006502

If I didn't know better, I'd have thought I was peering through the fence at a concentration camp.

The signs on the buildings say "Community College of Aurora," though for now they're serving as an impromptu Camp Katrina. About 160 hurricane survivors are being housed in the dorms, surrounded by fences, roadblocks, security guards and enough armed police officers to invade Grenada.

There's a credentials unit to process every visitor, an intake unit to provide identification tags and a bag of clothes to every evacuee, several Salvation Army food stations, portable toilets, shuttle buses, a green army-tent chapel with church services three times a day and a communications team to keep reporters as far away from actual news as possible.
______________
"The families here are wondering where their men are and we can't find out"

remember who the force is aimed at-here where I am in Texas and everywhere else it is not for the safety of the residents in the shelters it is to keep them in. There are huge police presence, we can't get them to back off and the RC won't help us. If I hear the phrases "those people" or "these people" from one of them again I'm going to go nuts.

All we have here is people in another shelter with armed guards and endless offers of church services. We have 300 people and there were 4 services today with maybe 100 total attending. This upsets the other volunteers who say delightful things like "I thought black people were religious? Maybe that's only the ones who work..."

in-fucking-credible. I emailed with a vol from another state and its the same thing. Almost as many police/guards as residents. Like mine, her shelter is 90% women and children and old, old men. The families here are wondering where their men are and we can't find out.

nice. really nice. I'm off to serve dinner and help with the early evening stuff with kids so the mothers can have a break (which, btw, some vols don't think they need! try being without privacy, comfort or two moments to yourself entertaining a todler all day! Jeeeez)

______

from Pallas: now where did I hear of before: men separated from women and children ? hmmmm?

Unreal. Yet another one finally "gets it".
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/07/opinion/07friedman.html?th&emc=th

Pat QOP:
May the stars carry your sadness away,
May the flowers fill your heart with beauty,
May hope forever wipe away your tears,
And, above all, may silence make you strong.

Chief Dan George

It doesn't matter about the media and cover up now. It's too late. The truth ws completely exposed in the moment of stripped illusions. The illusions are immediately rebuilt but the moment of truth will resonate. As rescue operations run into difficulty the truth of the massive American response to help was also revealed. The whole thing has to settle.

In the midst of all this, there is actually some good news:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/9/7/13335/91213

By far the best and maybe the only real thing we all can do in the face of this challenge is to refrain from panic. The extent to which they try to manipulate through fear and dramatic crisis reveals their true lack of control. If we were merrily rolling along not seeing what they are doing, then we would be in unimaginable trouble.

The moment we conquer fear is the moment they lose.

Pat QOP,

I just read about Eric. What can you say when you lose someone so close to you. Pluto in the 12th house is such a transformative spitirual placement, esp. in areas of death. Expect to communicate with him often on the other side.

My love and light goes out to you.

Pat QOP, many hugs to you and Eric ... breathe ... it will help you get through the pain and sorrow. I have two girls, just thinking about losing one of them provokes untold agony. My heart and thoughts go out to you, your family and Eric.

xxxooo,
Marta

I have been thinking about cycles and end of cycles.
Behind the suffering...or on the edge of the stage in keeping with Sally's theme...

We recently witnessed something play out which is very huge in the politics of our country; a face off between state / local authority and Fed authority. It reminds me some of another time when Lincoln went up against the southern powers and prevailed, federalizing the south to bring it under the economic dominion and rules of law of the north. Now we have local /state figures facing down the fed gov and prevailing. Many lives were lost and much tragedy did occur needlessly.

But an important battle was won for the people. And it was won by representitves of the minority women and blacks who didn't yield which would have resulted in a federal martial law.

Money granted for disaster relief will be managed by those who are in control. I'm still thinking about the implications of this. A real defeat for the Bush administration. The non-plan or incompetence that many are speaking of looks very clearly to me to have been THE PLAN.
It failed, though skirmishes are still going on about control...

Perhaps this moment is about the old confederacy as much a anything? I look at the "new" republican party and i mostly see the old confederacy. History isn't my stong point but Sally you seem to have some talent here are we seeing some of the last gasps of the old confederacy?

To whomever posted upthread (karen farrout?) about the split of the masculine. This is exactly how i see it. The anima the inner masculine is wounded. If nothing else i believe these are the years we learn to heal this part of ourselves.
tseka

Pat QofP
Eric
I too have been watching the rise of the unusually bright star in the ENE and this is where and when i send my thoughts out to you. I wrap you both in tender affection everynight under the brilliant desert sky.
warm thoughts flowing outward.
tseka

Our Gulf Coast has been attacked and occupied. It's true we are inexperienced, but if the Persian situation is an example of their skill, we are positioned well. We are much more unified than the Iraqis which is a great advantage. We can cry and cower in fear expecting defeat, or we can defend ourselves.
We are mobilized right now in the rescue mission and can continue to push forward together in this struggle.

I love this country and will not abandon it.

there is something interesting here about Bush making every effort to take over the state, and attempting to force the Governor to sign over her state to him.

What I'm wondering about is how the other governors are reacting to this.

BTW, Haley Barbour who said he didnt know what happened in Louisiana, but he had everything he needed on MONDAY (Aug 29 while Louisiana didnt have anything until Friday and as of Sunday Sept 4th still hadn't seen a FEMA face,) has refused to give any further interviews.

Gee. I wonder why.

oops i meant to write the anima the innner feminine of man is wounded
in my post above
tseka

Palas
An aquiantance of mine sits on a Califronia ciruit court. He is a liberal judge. We have had several long conversations about state's rights vs federal. This is the battleground now as it was in the 70's. The same tactics we used then to attain civil rights, etc for all US citizens are now being turned against the people to limit rights. I'm sure that all governors are aware of this much more than we are. Federal funds for many essential programs can be denied with stroke of a pen if you are not compliant.

The area to watch in the law are the interstate commerce laws. John Roberts will if approved as CJ of SOTUS be very instrumental in shifting states rights through this particular vehicle.

tseka

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It always lies below
A hurricane produces anarchy. Decivilisation is not as far away as we like to think

Timothy Garton Ash
Thursday September 8, 2005

Guardian

Before our attention wanders on to the next headline story, let's learn Katrina's big lesson. This is not about the incompetence of the Bush administration, the scandalous neglect of poor black people in America, or our unpreparedness for major natural disasters - though all of those apply. Katrina's big lesson is that the crust of civilisation on which we tread is always wafer thin. One tremor, and you've fallen through, scratching and gouging for your life like a wild dog.
You think the looting, rape and armed terror that emerged within hours in New Orleans would never happen in nice, civilised Europe? Think again. It happened here, all over our continent only 60 years ago. Read the memoirs of Holocaust and gulag survivors, Norman Lewis's account of Naples in 1944, or the recently republished anonymous diary of a German woman in Berlin in 1945. It happened again in Bosnia just 10 years ago. And that wasn't even the force majeure of a natural disaster. Europe's were man-made hurricanes.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5280443-103677,00.html

Excellent article Sally, as usual. I've been lurking a bit. Pallas 18, good to have you back.

Shylurker, thank you for posting the Thomas Friedman piece... did you ever think you would see the day he would right such a disavowment of Dubya? I didn't...

Still sending you light and love Pat QofP, and Eric... hope he is without pain. As Sharon said we all surround you with love.

Sharon, hope your absence doesn't mean you have problems... goodness knows you have had enough, and still, you have such wonderful spirit.

Namaste and light to all.

Hey, Jo....(their is a song called HEY JOE done by Love back in the 1960's...)

The Friedman piece was sent by my uncle in TX today...my reaction was ...hey, you've got some atonement needs to happen...you supported these SOB's....and you're supposed to be SMART????

PS....I was talking about Friedman, not my sainted Uncle, btw....but I've had to drink a few glasses of wine nightly just to deal with this stuff (reports coming in from a number of people I know doing the same thing)....

WV.....absolutely right on about the thin crust of civilization....I remember after the 1989 earthquake....for a long time people were just wonderful, polite, helpful, forebearing. And then it got to be too much and it really got nasty driving in San Francisco with no street lights, piles of rubbish, buildings collapsed, the Embarcadero freeway gone. It was 5 years before the 280 freeway into downtown was completely rebuilt and the old Embarcadero torn down. And I had moved my office to SF the day before the earthquake....right at the foot of the Embarcadero fwy! and if there hadn't of been a world series game at Candlestick Point going on which pretty well emptied the city, it would have been even worse for people....And that was NOTHING compared to this NOLA....

Hey Judi G.,

whatever gets you through the night, right?

Difficult times... for all

the underbelly of our collective gets uglier and uglier... guess that means tPluto is doing its job...

Hey Jo....we've got all the makings of some good country music here....

Sally stated in her article above:

"Katrina did not create this racist image of African-Americans - it has simply laid bare its historical bigotry, and in so doing exposed the lie of equal opportunity in the US. A basic understanding of human nature suggests everyone in New Orleans wanted to survive and escape. A basic understanding of American economics and history shows that, despite all the rhetoric, wealth - not hard work or personal sacrifice - is the most decisive factor in who succeeds."
(Cynthia Kemper)

Mary Scott O'connor has a beautiful piece on her new blog, My Left Wing... if you haven't visited her, please do so... she's a former Kossack.

Anyway, she writes about the point Sally makes... "there but for the grace of God" ---

"In other, less ecclesiastical words, it is sheer LUCK that one is born into wealth, privilege and power. Sheer f@#$ing LUCK that one zygote landed into a rich white family in Philadelphia and another in a poor black family in New Orleans. And for the vast majority of the wealthy and the privileged and the powerful, any claim of entitlement solely by virtue of birth is as absurd as taking credit for one's physical beauty. It was CHANCE that brought you to your existence and not that of a baby born with AIDS in a war-torn refugee camp in Somalia.

And if you believe, as many wealthy, powerful people seem to believe, that GOD put you where you are, that GOD determined that your human existence should be one of privilege and virtual invulnerability to the trials and tribulations of most others' experience of human existence, then you are REQUIRED, by your own declared religious beliefs, to remember this fact:

But for the grace of GOD, there go I.

http://www.soapblox.net/myleftwing/showDiary.do?diaryId=2182

I might add that I thought many had seen that bigotry is alive and well in our mirror that is the occupation of Iraq. If they didn't, they surely must see it now.

Past my bed time, Judi G., I'm on the east coast. You hang in there... namaste

Teresa, thanks. Here's the link to the Denver Post piece (haven't read it yet, haven't read AW posts yet, either):

http://www.denverpost.com/carman/ci_3006502

I believe this columnist is honest...Sally, have you read her? You got anything to add here?

Tseka, I have been working on this cycle for several years, watching it, charting it. There are so many cycles within the Sacred Geometry of Astrology. We talk about them all the time. The Jupiter/Saturn cycles, Pluto/Uranus cycles, Neptune/Uranus, etc. cycles involving all the outer planets beginning with Jupiter. But this period of time has always seemed to me to be straight forward. It felt like a bell went off in 1998 when the intensity to impeach Bill Clinton was reaching a passionate crest. Uranus was conjunct the US South Node, the past, the karmic node. I remember saying to someone the people needed to stop the GOP attack dogs from this, because if we didn't something worse was coming. It was the lies, collectively we just sat out here and watched their little play go on. But it was the lies on both sides that we needed to stop. That little bit of theater they were playing out was a test to see what we would accept, and the tests keep going on. Uranus on the SN was a warning, one we could chose to ignore and we did, we came to accept that politicians lie and we (the people) disconnected from our own government in our disgust.

When George was selected President and took office in 2001 Neptune was on the South Node. More lies and deceit, only this was more serious, the SN in the US chart trines US Uranus, but Neptune in the US chart squares Mars, and I already wrote about the potential negative affects of Mars sq. Neptune, plus that particular aspect represents our shadow, our reptilian brain if you will, because of its heavy connection to the 12th house in the US chart.

Prior to the Revolutionary War, things were bad in this country and arose to breaking points several times between the British and the Colonialists and The Stamp Act brought their frustrations into the open, and Pluto was at 26 degrees Sagittarius (where it will be again in 2006, early) The men who would ultimately be the revolutionists worked 15 years, before the war even bagan, to bring in the Republic of the United States. It would seem that this administration is trying to break that Republic (on a very sub-conscious level) and today's revolutionists are fighting that (again on a sub-conscious level.)

That's why what we do here as individuals and collectively is so important, even if its just to hold the vision of what we want this country to be, and then act where we can, when we can, in big and small ways to stay true to that vision. Because "The Republic" that was formed then is being tested to see if we want what the "vision" started out to be, at least for another 236 years. This fight for our country, for a true democracy has just begun, and it will take years to bring it back to its purity, if that's what we want. We won't know if the "Republic" won for a while yet, but if we don't try, we will know pretty quick who is going to win the battles but lose the war.

I look around at the young people today (those under 40, and I think "who are you, who among you is Tom Paine, Jefferson, Adams, Hancock, and all the rest, for it will be those under 40 who will take the places of our forefathers, maybe even "mothers"

New Orleans, as awful as it has been, has on some level reconnected us with our community and with humanity and it's making us feel good about ourselves in a way that 9/11 didn't. That is the very best coming from New Orleans.

So, in the end I watch Pluto and all its aspects because that lumbering plumber holds the keys to the worst and best of ourselves.

From my e-mail

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050907100009990016&ncid=NWS00010000000001
Mark--
It's got to be loud and clear: what's now taking place under the direction of FEMA in New Orleans is censorship and coverup of the most cynical stripe and it's utterly comprehensive.
Usually we think of "staged event propaganda" (which Hitler and Goebbels engineered to perfection) as the creation of false and misleading events, such as the self-set Reichstag Fire or the "Polish" (really German SS troops dressed in Polish army uniforms) "attack" on Germany that gave Hitler his pretext to invade Poland and start WWII. But it is just as powerful in the negative, when a stage is completely taken over (in this case by FEMA, which has been training specifically for this purpose)--witnesses banished or eliminated, recording equipment destroyed--and managed comprehensively to mitigate or cover a telltale and damning reality.
I have seen the "unofficial" reports that bodies are being shipped out secretly in cargo planes (leaving no room for refugees), apparently by the thousands. With FEMA in charge of the body count, those poor victims will have not only lost their lives because of the callous malfeasance and malevolence of this governing junta, but will also not even "live" as corpses to indict the miscreants. Their numbers will disappear just as the votes of millions disappeared (and reappeared as votes for Bush) in 2004.
The mainstream media must know this is happening right under its nose. It must know further that this may well be its last chance to draw the line, do its duty, and save this nation. It's time we all found out that we've all had enough.

Sally
Thanks for the thoughtful words, they illuminate.

I am watching pluto also, well experiencing would be the proper word. I have a number of planets including my sun between my 14Sag MC and chiron in early capricorn. It's been interesting!

Remember, Gov. Haley Barbour of MS is a Bushkevik. Just remember that, and notice how when he speaks (as he did to some COMMERCE committee or something like that, today!), he speaks of getting the electricity back, "rebuilding the gulf coast and it will be better than ever!" (no po' white/black folks living there anymore?) There are STILL people in MS (as well as LA...and AL) who have not seen a face from FEMA. A week and a half later. NOLA is the focal point because it was SO outrageous (and I believe the outrage continues), but all along the Gulf Coast are poor people just trying to survive, getting what help they can from each other and private groups. The very first time I saw Barbour interviewed on morning news show mid-last week, his concern was getting electricity back. That's something, sure, but there were -- and still are -- people who need basics: water and food, and shelter.

I applaud Oprah Winfrey for putting her celebrity, wealth, and influence to such great use in exposing and reiterating the horror of all the victims -- those still stuck and those shipped off to shelters. I watched a lot of it and she did a great job, truly. Ended today with "this will be off the front pages of the paper soon, but won't be over." On her show yesterday, an MD did a piece or two, and he showed bodies lying stacked on shelves in a cargo plane. They're also being trucked out in semis.

Too true, we'll never know the count. And Pallas (I'm glad you're back!), the separation also reminds me of slaves: take 'em to the auction block, split 'em up...I've been chilled by that parallel, for obvious reasons.

I was just going to wonder aloud what might be happening to the men when this thought struck my mind: we need soldiers in Iraq.

Oh, I hope that was a paranoid, cynical thought! But it flashed through all on its own...

Interesting...............
1. the dems seem to have each picked a batle to promote.
Clinton ...return FEMA to the way it was uncer Bill
Pelosi....fire Brown
etc. etc. I got a return message from Snowe's office after doing the Move on petition re: Roberts.
I got a message first that being out of state, ( move on ) I should contact her at official website.
There I found this message.

Capitol Hill Mail Service Interrupted

My Washington, D.C. office is now open and we can receive faxed material and telephone calls, however we are not receiving postal mail. Please direct postal mail to one of our Maine offices and they will forward the information to Washington, D.C. Thank you.

When Mail is Resumed, The Path a Letter Must Currently Follow To Reach Senator Snowe In Washington:
1. Sent from a constituent to Senator Snowe
2. Arrives at processing unit in Virginia (2-4 days)
3. Forwarded to Lima, Ohio, for irradiation procedures (10-14 days)
4. Forwarded to another processing unit where all non-paper contents are removed and tested (7-10 days)
5. If mail clears the 7-10 day waiting period for test results, it is then sorted and delivered to individual Senate offices.

The moon at 8o scorpio will conjunct my NN in the 5th!
The new messages from you all are especially welcome tonight.
PQ

On 9/11 survivors of Katrina will commit an act of Civil disobedience by setting up an illegal camp on the Washington DC Mall. Camp Katrina will stay there as long as it takes to get answers and change.

http://www.bushville.org/

Jo, Lori, thanks for remembering me :)

The thought of their shipping out bodies to hide the final count never occurred to me - its disgusting - someone on radio today was enraged about mass graves. Is it true? Saddamm and Milosevic live at 1600 Pennslvania Ave if it is.

But the feds have shippped 25,000 body bags to Baton Rouge a reporter said tonight.

By Wednesday when nothing was being done for the
people at the convention center I was on the phone to every congressman I could think of who would do anything. Charlie Rangel, Schumer, Clinton. The aides in DC apparently didn't have a tv in their offices. They wanted to know what was going on. They didn't know the people had no water, food and were dying. Clinton's phone you couldn't get through to...others, I began to hear the phones ringing and ringing as I was talking to the aides.

It was people like us, caucasion, maybe middle aged who were calling and screaming - "they're dying, get them water, food,get them help." And that the National Guard was blockading them. They may have had the misfortune to have been born black and poor, but yes, we are our brothers' keeper. And the fact that our uproar made those fat assed bureaucrats in DC move shows that we still have the power.

You'll find it interesting that when I called FEMA, I was told by the receptionist that FEMA does not accept "outside" callers. HA! no wonder they dont know what the ef is going on in the world.

I also found it interesting that the only politicians who went before the cameras demanding help for those in the convention center on Thursday, were the black caucus. Not a white politician to be seen. Disgusting.

But this isn't over. This country is on the edge of riots - and I don't doubt that secession is passing through the minds of many. Why should they be paying billions to the Feds for security
that can now be seen won't be forthcoming. It was all a sham - pr -all hat-no cattle. Homeland Security is shown to be a patronage sewer, made for photo-ops, as New Orleans and our borders illustrate.

But Bush is still in there robbing the treasury and making sure his friends are taken care of. Why were the evacuees all trucked to Houston? Because Houston is billing FEMA (your tax dollars
$6000 for every child they put in school, and God knows how much they're billing for putting them in
apartments. He may be stupid, but he's always clever about his own purse. He has a history of bankrupting any company he ever was in. That's his track record. No more capable than FEMA's Michael Brown. Why would the people who voted him in ever think he would do otherwise to this country. But what good does it do for us to say " I told you so". It doesn't make us any happier.

The Gallup polls showing the public doesn't blame Bush...I don;t believe it for a nanosecond.

If we are to get rid of him and his cronies, it won't be done by the Democratic party. It will be done by us - we still have the power to raise a ruckus and frighten the hell out of the politicians.

I am so angry.

P.S.

I forgot to mention. I tried to call the White House on Thursday.

They had disconnected their phone.

The seat of government in this country was not accepting any calls on Thursday.

Could you believe it?

Doesn't want to see protesters, and doesn't want any complaining phone calls. What he needs is what was done to LBJ. People standing out there night and day pounding a drum and chanting.

Pallas 18, I know what you mean about the Public not blaming Bush. I don't beleive it either. It seems to me that the American public is in that state of shock just before the hard truth sets in.

I wonder if "heads will roll now" or if this Katrina disaster(i.e the lack of a government response) will be one of the events that will lead to the 2012-2013 revolution with Pluto squared Uranus in the US Sagittarius natal chart.

I'm just afraid of getting my hopes up because I know how this administration works. They are great at appearing compassionate and accountable but it's only for the media and cameras. Bush himself is calling for an investigation, but is he just going to sweep the real issues under the rug?

It just makes me sick.

Oh, FYI.

Arnold the "Suckanator" will veto the gay marriage bill in California. This just proves that a republican is a republican.

I remember how he portraited himself as some "cool" republican - socially liberal/fiscal conservative crap. Well, that myth is out the window. He is just as hate-filled as Bush and the rest of them. Thanks Arnold for doing your best at making us second-class citizens.

Travieso,

I don't think you'll have to wait for 2012 to be rid of this administration. New Orleans birthchart is very similar to the Gemini Rising Chart of the United States.

Katrina's Uranus opposes Bush's Mars and Katrina's Saturn conjuncts his Ascendant.

Katrina's Uranus also squared New Orleans' and the U.S.'s Gemini Ascendant and squared the U.s.'s
Uranus rising. Sudden change to the face of America.

And since the 10th House (the President, the party in power)of the US is ruled by
Aquarius with Uranus square Uranus, we are going to have a change in government, possibly rather sudden.

" 2012-2013 revolution with Pluto squared Uranus in the US Sagittarius natal chart."

I wouldn't count on that as a revolution. The revolution you're thinking of is happening within the next 6 months. I think. And after having seen what Uranus did to the physical face of New Orleans and America in square, look for Pluto to make some permanent topographical changes as well as a massive change to do with finances and the markets in 2012. I kind of think it will be something to do with a sudden change in our currency and its value. It wouldn't be the first time that has happened.

And So It Begins… The People Will Rise Up…
Information about Bushville.org came via our comments… American’s have had all they can take… And so it begins… The People Will Rise Up…

On 9/11 survivors of Katrina will commit a NONVIOLENT act of Civil Disobedience – building an encampment on the Washington DC Mall.

Spread the word and join us. It’s up to you to be creative and spread this link: www.bushville.org

Bushville-DC: 10,000 Katrina survivors will eventually camp on Bush’s doorstep. They will camp in the seat of power and media demand truth and action. They will stay there as long as it takes.

-Through 9/11
-Through the Katrina investigations
-Through the Supreme Court Hearings

On 9/11 Bush will use the flag to try to blind us. Founding Bushville-DC on 9/11 will keep America’s attention on the criminal negligence of Bush.

History of Protest Encampments in Washington DC and elsewhere:

Hooverville – 1929 – 40’s
Villages of homeless that appeared following the Great Depression.

Bonus Army – June 17th, 1932
assemblage of about 20,000 WWI veterans, their families, and other affiliated groups, who demonstrated in DC during the spring and summer of 32

Dewey Canyon III - Washington, D.C., April 1971
Vietnam Veterans Against the War stage “a limited incursion into the country of Congress.”

I'm having a strange experience. I switched on the television before heading up to bed and guess who was on Scarborough, arch right winger, former congressman, and MSNBC commentator. He's just ripping Bush. The only reason I watched him is because I saw him do the same about a week ago. I figured he'd been whipped back in line. He hasn't.

Maybe there are some real truth tellers whoh will just keep on * until the blame is applied.

The performance on this task is a disgrace.

In addition, we have to look at what we've got left in Louisiana. We've removed .25 million people from NOLA. What does that leave, a state where 55-65% of the whites voted for David Duke (active clan member) in a primary against a really positive senator, Bennett Johnston. This was in the 80's but, lord, when they deny voting rights to the folks who had to leave, what will this place produce...unless this event represents an awakening. I doubt it.

Interesting Pallas, because I can make two predictions. One, Bush will not be in office for very long and we will be hit by another horrible natural disaster. So, that kinda "jives" with what I see.

I haven't yet figured out how the Pluto squared Uranus will express itself.

Yes Travieso,

I just realized what I was saying. Uranus is square Uranus for another six months..We're not through with the hurricanes, weird weather, earthquakes - the same transit is in effect into early 2006, worse yet Uranus is known to have a kick up to 3 degrees after it passes the point.

I saw Scarbourgh too Mike and did you notice the "little theater" between the two regarding the problems with FEMA and Red Cross, and I thought "here it comes, the fix is in." I watched their really poor acting as they railed against FEMA screwups, and wants to know what can be done, and this REP. says "I've just been going around FEMA and Red Cross and Salvation Army and going straight to the military cause they are getting things done as are the local churches. These are the people we need for disasters, not FEMA and the bureaucratic mess of the Federal Government."

Martial Law my friend, make the military the replacement for police throughout the land and everyone will feel safe. Welcome to the Military/Industrial United States of America. they will accomplish it unless there is a miracle, and their take over is almost finished. Now I know why the Dems are quiet, why we suddenly are all gun lovers ( they are hopping and praying for riots.) Oh jeeze, they treated those people like animals, starved them, dehydrated them, and local and state and federal were a mess, so they send in the General everyone loves "to get the job done." A real John Wayne, a take charge guy, and everyone thinks he is great.

This is participatory theater, we are all a part of their play, and it is their play right now no matter how we rail against it.

Pallas18,

I'm trusting my instincts and have started stocking up on some things. Not that being in Austin is a hurricane threat, but that transportation of goods can be threatened (i.e gas going up even further).

Also, talked to my brother who lives near the coast what to do in case of anohter hurricane. We made a plan.

It's hard to tell when and where Uranus is involved, Travieso. Who would have predicted that Katrina would make such a overwhelming comeback after dissipating in Florida, and decimate New Orleans? Uranus is ever unpredictable.

Whatever becomes of the US in the mid-decade 2010s, it will almost certainly be a surprise. Energy (Peak Oil production), Government and Infrastructure will Pluto transiting Capricorn will almost assuredly be a critical issue. Uranus will be in Aries, and the people may at last be in a mood to fight back against the entrenched powers that be.

I've been thinking for awhile that the US might not even survive until it's Pluto Return in 2022, breaking down again into its' constituent states, or in some cases, regional republics (i.e. Cascadia). Certainly, that would involve a great deal of ferment and chaos. But again, with Uranus involved, who knows? On the other hand, we could end up as part of a "Super North American Union" with Canada and Mexico combined.

A warrior doesn't look at each act of her enemy too many times. She sees it once and prepares a strategy.
A warrior going to battle cuts back on food consumption eating high energy efficient foods, in exactly the amount that's needed for the task.
A warrior's senses go into high alert and communication with wild animals is helpful.
A warrior releases adrenalin like chemicals in to the system and is preapared to control them.
A warrior trusts his skills and his instincts.
A warrior absorbs inspiration and enthusiasm as nourishment.
A warrior believes in victory or has no business in the battlefield.
Sometimes a warrior does jumping jacks and knee bends.

My own "Regreening of America" prediction involves two elements-devolution to the States, with the Feds being more of a holding company, and ecological restoration as well.

After this fiasco, secession looks better.

Neobuckeye, I always had this idea of a North American Union. Esp. coming from the Mexico/US border, I always viewed the Rio Grande as a pitiful excuse for a border. While our government is trying so hard to holdback the inevidable (sp?) economic and cultural mixing of the two cultures, we the people have done this on our own.

While so many Americans complain of the growth of the hispanic population, they have to realize that parts of Mexico are being Anglonized. Puerto Vallarta, San Miquel de Allande, and other parts of Mexico are so full of Americans and Canadians that you never have to speak spanish. Even the signs are in English.

Anyway, it's just a thought. It just seems that the restrictions by the governement is just slowing down a process of North American cultural and economic unification that will eventually happen.

The US also have a Pluto return I think in 2022 or 2017 which to me can make or break a nation. I think that US will survive, but not as we know it and as part of a larger North American union.

Just popping in to correct a bit of information I posted upthread. I believe (quite sure, actually) the cargo plane was filled with living people lying on shelves one above the other, the elderly and infirm. Not dead bodies. I apologize for the misinformation. Think I might be past my limits in terms of saturation with horror stories. But now I find myself fearing the cover up and glossing over as we go forward.

I've been very disturbed by what I've been seeing on this site lately. In the wake of Katrina, it seems to have descended into paranoia and filled with all sorts of kooky conspiracy theories. But this is just a reflection of America as a whole: never have I seen your country so deeply divided by politics. I have to wonder if it is just George Bush and cronies or are there some deeper astrological forces at work here? I remember several astrologers around 1998/9 saying that it would not matter who got elected - things were about to turn for the worse in the US. In a large sense it is Osama Bin laden who has suceeded brilliantly in dividing America and the world. And a house divided cannot stand...

Someone quoted from my hometown newspaper for a "third-world" perspective on Bush and the disaster. Here in the so-called "third-world" I've watched on in horror as in a few short years my country has been torn apart by politicians and their selfish agendas. Nowadays it is impossible to have a reasonable discussion about anything. Everything is seen through the prism of race or politics. A similar scenario has played out in neighbouring Venezuela - though Chavez has righted a lot of things that were wrong in that country. It just seems that worldwide, after the leaders that emerged in the 1950/1960s almost every country has been saddled by a series of the worst possible leaders - esp in the late 90s/early 00s. Are we so caught up in pettey bickering that we are missing a larger, more significant pattern here?

UofL student's Web posting brings out Secret Service
( even tho he is not a threat to the administration..........he is guilty of inciting! That didn't stick in the case of Pat ROBERTSON DID IT?) Did they investigate him?
http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050908/NEWS01/509080451/1008/NEWS01
PQ

Pallas, my bit of misinfo aside, I really am fearing we will never be told the real number of dead. I agree with what you say. (and then there's the disease that's started...to me it looks like that's one whitewashed story!)

I hope to hell the majority of Americans are feeling as we are about this horror. I've communicated with just a few, of whom 1/2 are appalled, 1/3 think Jesus is coming and NOLA was destroyed because "Southern Decadence" was coming up soon (they may not know the infamous French Quarter was relatively spared. Ha!), and 1/5 didn't want to "Bush bash" but agreed it was a "clusterf***."

The religious hypocrites are delusional and, I think, hopeless. The other, I tried to explain it's FEMAs job to manage a Federal Emergency (check the name, for God's sake!).

Personally, I think (1) Camp Casey and the 9/11 people still wanting REAL answers ought to join up with Camp Katrina. Critical mass, you know? There are going to be Camps all over this country! And just wait till the next disaster. and (2) "act locally" - remember that? I kind of like the idea of localities having more control over themselves, such as states.

This is one of my favorite times of day -- early morning, reading all the posts and there are some excellent ones.

Pallas, we too were on the phone immediately, and the next day and so on. We emailed everyone we knew and begged them to call their reps.

Frist's office disconnected the phone entirely, the second day after Katrina hit.

The only call back we received was from a state rep. We suggested that the State of Tennessee accept some of the international aid being offered. We talked about the technical aspects of that. Could the feds interfere. He was honest and didn't know, but was going to speak with Governor and find out. He believed there was NO REASON that States couldn't accept international aid.

This particular state is deeply in dept with it's medical insurance program. Most all states are under the same kinds of pressure. So, why couldn't states circumvent the federal government for aid?

There are many ways to resist. Empowering yourself with living skills is one way, id est: gardening, canning, sewing, etc., etc.

Sally, you (and i believe Tseka)andn others, hit upon the militarization of NOLA. Again, this is part of the web being wove by this putrid administration. Oh yes, the city will be rebuilt but it will benefit those who need it least.

I'm also quite certain we are being prepared to accept a "police state." But, this one has been coming for a long time.

karen

there won't be a police state with Saturn in Leo. Too somber and restrictive for Leo. And probably not with Pluto in Sagittarius. Too wild and unrestrained. It makes sense with Pluto in Capricorn but these people don't impress me as this type. So I don't know where they can slip it in.

New poll:
http://forums.prospero.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=kr-miamiwebvote&tid=719&vote=2&submit=Vote

'Nother one. What do you think of Smirky&Co's response to Katrina?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9246207/#survey

FEMA accused of censorship


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Sep 7, 4:27 PM (ET)

By Deborah Zabarenko

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - When U.S. officials asked the media not to take pictures of those killed by Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath, they were censoring a key part of the disaster story, free speech watchdogs said on Wednesday.

The move by the Federal Emergency Management Agency is in line with the Bush administration's ban on images of flag-draped U.S. military coffins returning from the Iraq war, media monitors said in separate telephone interviews.

http://reuters.myway.com/article/20050907/2005-09-07T202716Z_01_SPI773106_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-CENSORSHIP-DC.html

Dean: Race Played a Role in Katrina Deaths
Sep 07 7:44 PM US/Eastern

By DENISE KALETTE
Associated Press Writer

MIAMI

Race was a factor in the death toll from Hurricane Katrina, Howard Dean told members of the National Baptist Convention of America on Wednesday at the group's annual meeting.

Dean, chairman of the Democratic party, made the comments to the Baptists' Political and Social Justice Commission. The Baptist Convention, with an estimated 3.5 million members, is one of the largest black religious groups in the country.

"We must ... come to terms with the ugly truth that skin color, age and economics played a deadly role in who survived and who did not," Dean said.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/07/D8CFNMPG0.html

????????????

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/12584656.htm

Mexican army convoy with doctors, mobile kitchens heads for U.S.

A Mexican army convoy and a navy amphibian warship are on their way to New Orleans to assist in Hurricane Katrina relief efforts, the first time the Mexican military has operated north of the Rio Grande River since Texas won its independence in 1846.

The Mexican forces are bringing helicopters, 14 trucks, a mobile surgical unit, emergency personnel, three tons of purified water, food and giant kitchens.

"We will do anything within our reach to help this unfortunate situation. Mexico is a friendly neighbor, and in difficult times, good friends are there for each other," President Vicente Fox said last weekend in offering aid. U.S. Ambassador Tony Garza said that "the American people are grateful" for the assistance.

None of the Mexican soldiers is armed, officials said.

The military convoy left Mexico City on Wednesday and was expected to arrive Thursday morning in the Texas border city of Laredo. The convoy is made up of 25 military vehicles and 35 tractor-trailers carrying 195 soldiers and two mobile kitchens that can cook three hot meals a day for 7,000 people.

More...

Feeding the troops maybe? This is very strange.

Federal Government Attempts to Block Press Access To New Orleans

In New Orleans the federal government is being accused of trying to censor the images coming out of the devastated city. The Reuters news agency is reporting that the Federal Emergency Management Agency is now rejecting requests by journalists to accompany rescue boats searching for storm victims. In addition journalists are being asked not to photograph any dead bodies in the region. Critics of FEMA's request compared the policy to the Pentagon's policy that bars reporters from taking photographs of the caskets of soldiers killed in Iraq.

NBC News Anchor Brian Williams is reporting that police officers have been seen aiming their weapons at members of the media. And a blogger named Bob Brigham has written a widely read dispatch that the National Guard in Jefferson County are under orders to turn all journalists away. Brigham writes *Bush is now censoring all reporting from New Orleans Louisiana. The First Amendment sank with the city.*
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http://www.democracynow.org

Hey all, I had one of my "visions" last night after doing Reiki and meditating for about an hour an a half. This one was an earthquake. I felt like I was being shaken, a very strong back and forth shake. The landscape was rolling and shaking, couldn't really 'see' because it was dark. Possible earthquake?

Travieso - My partner and I are also stocking up on supplies. No threat of an earthquake here in Houston, but it is still hurricane season.

Pallas 18 - The evacuees have been sent to Houston because it's the closest large sitting that is accessable. The I-10 route out of NOLA does not exist anymore. Also, the other closest city with the ability to house so many people is Atlanta. It's easier to get to Tx.

And very everyone who would start bad mouthing Houston....We have lost so much work here it's unbelievable. All conventions, city functions, Astroworld, and Hotels have canceled all events until next year. Many of my old co-workers in the convention/trade show biz are now out of jobs. Also, most of the jobs that are available will be going to the survivors. The news last night reported that the survivors will get offered positions before the Houstonians.

((((( Pat QofP )))))

Keeping you and your family in my thoughts and prayers.

((((( Sharon )))))

I hope all is going as well as possible and your suffering will soon end.

Cybear, I'm so sorry.

Where did you feel you were in your vision?

http://www.thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline
KATRINA TIMELINE

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Posted on Salon
Don't know if this has been posted here yet but there's a very interesting blog entry about efforts to set up a local radio station inside the Astrodome for the people there and FEMA efforts to block it. Also has info on the limits being placed on the media trying to talk to survivors.

http://jacob.wordpress.com/

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Federal Government Attempts to Block Press Access To New Orleans

In New Orleans the federal government is being accused of trying to censor the images coming out of the devastated city. The Reuters news agency is reporting that the Federal Emergency Management Agency is now rejecting requests by journalists to accompany rescue boats searching for storm victims. In addition journalists are being asked not to photograph any dead bodies in the region. Critics of FEMA's request compared the policy to the Pentagon's policy that bars reporters from taking photographs of the caskets of soldiers killed in Iraq.

NBC News Anchor Brian Williams is reporting that police officers have been seen aiming their weapons at members of the media. And a blogger named Bob Brigham has written a widely read dispatch that the National Guard in Jefferson County are under orders to turn all journalists away. Brigham writes *Bush is now censoring all reporting from New Orleans Louisiana. The First Amendment sank with the city.*
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http://www.democracynow.org

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http://www.fcnp.com/527/benton.htm
An 'Investigation?' We Saw it Live!

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http://wcbstv.com/topstories/topstories_story_251101738.html
Katrina Disaster Response Knocked

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Minister: Bush must be 'shot down'

Thursday, September 8, 2005; Posted: 7:40 a.m. EDT (11:40 GMT)

BERLIN, Germany (Reuters) -- A conservative German minister in a southern state has caused uproar by saying U.S. President George W. Bush should be "shot down" for his handling of the crisis in hurricane-struck New Orleans.

Andreas Renner, Social Minister in Germany's southern state of Baden-Wuertemberg, clarified later that he had only meant Bush should be downed politically.

During a visit to a local company on Tuesday, Renner said of Bush: "He ought to be shot down."

He later retracted the remark, saying he meant Bush should be shot down "in a political sense", according to the Reutlinger General-Anzeiger newspaper.

Opposition Social Democrat (SPD) politicians in the state called for his resignation, noting conservatives were quick to call for the resignation in 2002 of a former SPD national justice minister, Herta Daeubler-Gmelin, who according to press reports compared Bush to Hitler.

Daeubler-Gmelin is reported to have said that by threatening to attack Iraq, "Bush wants to distract attention from his domestic political problems. That's a favorite method. Hitler did that too."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/09/08/germany.bush.reut/

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050908/wl_canada_nm/canada_canadians_neworelans_col

Canadians beat U.S. Army to New Orleans suburb

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http://villagevoice.com/news/0536,ridgewaycolu,67514,2.html

Mondo Washington
Pumping Us Dry
Katrina tragedy is an absolutely perfect storm for oil companies

http://www.nola.com/hurricane/photos/

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http://progprog.blogspot.com/2005/09/george-w-bushs-katrina-thought-process.html
George W. Bush's Katrina Thought-Process Flowchart

As I look back on that last 10 days, I continue to wonder, "What the hell was W. thinking?"

I give you my thoughts on that matter. Available in both jpg and png for your viewing disgust.

[Update - Click the image for a larger view. In IE, hover your mouse over the image and wait until an X hovers in the lower-right of the image. Click this X and the image will be shown full-size]

Police State? could never happen in AmeriKa.

Refugees at Houston Astrodome were told Fema was going to give them checks for $2000, and were told to line up.

Yesterday, they lined up but were told that was just for registration.

Today they lined up at 5 AM, but FEMA wasn't giving out checks. It's been said Red Cross is giving out some checks, but that is not verified.

Houston has put the people in and around the dome in LOCKDOWN.

The reason is apparently one person was shoving, and was arrested, so all are in "lockdown" . Some are shown behind 7 foot chain link fences with barbed wire on the top. Reporters talking to
person behind very "tall barred pen" - the kind seen in Boston, New York, Savannah but taller.

One young black woman is screaming the State is screwing us over.

As an aside people in Biloxi called for their FEMA check and were told to call back in 14 days - others were told to give their address and phone number and they would be contacted. They have no address or phone. Harry Reid gqave press conference this morning stating FEMA should not be given any money to distribute since they are not capable.

NO. Amerika would never institute a police state.

Even if FEMA's directive is to "round up blacks for detention camps first, 2nd other minorities, 3rd dissidents.

I would be absolutely shocked if there weren't riots and a revolution while Uranus squares Uranus.

http://pic7.picturetrail.com/VOL204/1088960/2047995/111343959.jpg
Couldn't agree more...

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http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/002346.html

Attytood: Two Bush 2000 Florida recount aides were rewarded with top FEMA posts

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RAW STORY

Republicans block efforts to amend relief bill, hold vote without providing copy of bill

More http://tinyurl.com/7wdvj (Raw Story)

Pat C - I'm not sure, my first impression was the west coast. SF area, but it's had to tell, I never 'see' a positive landmark just an area. There is also no way of telling when.

Pallas 18 - Houston had to install a curfew because of some of the Dome residents have been going out, scoring drugs and getting drunk. When they return they are causing problems. What you probably do not know, because they want to keep it quite is there has already been a increase in crime in that area. The Reliant center is fenced in, so when you see a fence, it's not some kind of concentration camp. The people that are staying there are free to come and go as they please, but they are locking the grounds at 10pm or so due to "others" causing trouble.

Everyone really needs to get the facts right before they start to assume that what they 'hear or read' has truth to it.

The Reliant Center area is in lockdown for today to avoid the Houston street people from getting a debit card. Yes, the debit cards are being distributed today for the Hurricane survivors, each with a balance of $2K.

Just wanted to stop a web of lies before they begin.

And if all goes well, my Reiki group and masssage group are getting clearance from the city to set up tables at the Dome this weekend.

From all reports from friends working in the centers, the vicitms are more then thankful, but there are a few, a few, not a lot, that are being difficult. Most are wanting more then can be given at this time. But, they say 95% are grateful and so happy to be here. And many are saying that they will never, ever think that white people don't care. Except for GWB and Co...
Time to register all of them as democrats!

Cybear,

thanks for the explanation - however, I'm not referring to the curfew which is sensible.

Today - there is a lockdown, not a curfew, and those inside are not free to come and go, is what is being reported and seen on live television. This may just be about the checks/debit cards for $2000 which are not coming as promised to these people - and the worry that the people will riot after being lied to - the question is, how long is the "lockdown" going to last?

It's noble of you to stand up for your city, but the criticisms are not of your city, but of the actions of authorities, from top to bottom.

Senator Hillary Clinton, fresh from a recent trip to Houston to speak with survivors of Hurricane Katrina, held a conference call with reporters today to discuss legislation that she’s introducing this afternoon.

The first bill would restore the Federal Emergency Management Agency, or FEMA, to a Cabinet-level, independent federal agency, as it existed during her husband’s administration.

The second bill would create an independent commission to investigate the handling of relief efforts.

Here are some outtakes from the senator’s conference call:

http://villagevoice.com/news/0536,lombardiweb,67581,2.html

Check out click2houston.com for more on today's lockdown. Debit cards being handed out as I type.

Announcement: FEMA has outsourced - contracted out the collection of bodies.

With the army and national guard there, which would be free to the taxpayer since they are already paid, why and who is receiving such a contract?

http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1020

Released: September 08, 2005
Bush Job Approval Hits 41%—All Time Low; Would Lose to Every Modern President; Public Rates All Levels of Government Poorly in Katrina Handling; Red Cross Rated Higher Than Federal Government, 69%-17% —New Zogby America Poll

From Cybear's site.

"Red Cross Debit Cards Different From FEMA Cards"

"The Red Cross began handing out debit cards Thursday morning.

Displaced residents who have taken shelter and are registered at the Astrodome or George R. Brown Convention Center are eligible to receive the Red Cross debit card.

The amount of money placed on the card, between $360 and $1,600, is determined by how many people are in the family and their ages. The card is activated within 24 hours of a family receiving it.

The Red Cross will hand out the cards to registered evacuees at the Astrodome on Thursday and the convention center on Friday.

Officials with the Red Cross said families who did not register at the Astrodome or convention center would be given an opportunity to register over the weekend.

The Red Cross debit card is different from the $2,000 debit cards that will be handed out to victims from the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

FEMA said Katrina survivors would not receive their debit cards on Thursday. The agency said it is still trying to figure out the best way to distribute them.

Hundreds of hurricane victims lined up Wednesday to get the debit card, but a computer glitch kept FEMA from issuing any of them."
__________

A computer glitch kept FEMA from issuing debit cards for $2000 ? Call back in 14 days ?

Thank God I'm not an evacuee, but I'm also asking,
Where's The Money? or is there any? next we'll hear the debit cards are being delayed while an audit is done.

Perhaps since the US is bankrupt, they a scrambling to get the money to put on those cards.

Yes, there is a stench around this whole situation, but lets put the blame where the blame belongs. Fiendco & Friends have screwed the taxpaying citizens once again. They got the money for oil their, but left nothing to run the country with. Go figure. We are on own now, more so then ever before.

That should be "they got the money for their oil war" on the above post.

Such sadness and anger in this country now. I feel
as helpless as everyone else here does. The best
meditation I know of is to ask Deity "What is it I
need to know/do now to help?" Then do it and try to
feel some peace about your contribution.
In India the Hindus are celebating the birthday of Ganesh for ten days
(Ganesh Chauth started yesterday, 7th). Ganesh, the elephant-headed God, is
known as the Remover of Obstacles. I will be giving
him flowers and prayer about NO as well as my light/prayers
for folks on this site.

Sept.6 @ 915pm, blog here, I had mentioned death
toll possibly in the 20-30,000. BBC reports today
that the region has been suppled with 25,000 body
bags. But even this could be an understimation per
latest news below

http://www.ccn.com/2005/09/08/katrina.forgottentown.ap/index.html

not ccn, must be cnn
http://www.cnn.com/2005/09/08/katrina.forgottentown.ap/index.html

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?emx=x&pid=20715

Interview: Howard Zinn, The Outer Limits of Empire

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/08/katrina.forgottentown.ap/index.html

Finally.

The media (newspaper) comes out with what we know.

" Tar & Feather & Run Them Out Of Town"
The Baltimore Sun Op-Ed

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.administration08sep08,1,1222575.story?coll=bal-oped-headlines

Campos: Sleaziness from on high
September 6, 2005

The Bush administration may not be good at fighting wars or balancing budgets or putting even marginally competent persons in important positions, but it is admittedly brilliant at one thing: spinning the news.

"Spinning," which in less fastidious times was known as "lying," works like this: Sometime this past weekend, the White House decided that the party line in regard to the federal government's catastrophically poor response to Hurricane Katrina would be that local officials had failed to ask for help soon enough.

For example, on Sunday The Washington Post ran a story in which it quoted a "senior administration official," who pointed out that, as of Saturday, Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco had still not declared a state of emergency. Newsweek repeats this claim in this week's edition.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/news_columnists/article/0,1299,DRMN_86_4057668,00.html

uh oh check out Baghdad ... man it's ugly.

UN raises alarm on death squads and torture in Iraq

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - The
United Nations raised the alarm on Thursday about mounting violence in
Iraq blamed on pro-government militias and urged the authorities to look into reports of systematic torture in police stations.

In a bi-monthly human rights report, released on a day when 14 more victims of "extrajudicial executions" were found near Baghdad, the U.N. Assistance Mission for Iraq also said "mass arrests" by U.S. and Iraqi forces, and long detentions without charge, could damage support for the new political system.

"Corpses appear regularly in and around Baghdad and other areas. Most bear signs of torture and appear to be victims of extrajudicial executions," it said,

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050908/wl_nm/iraq_un_dc

http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20050908-112911-4218r

Steve Hadley looked at the chart and said, 'Congressman, where did you get that chart from?'" Weldon said in a June 27 floor speech in Congress.

"Steve Hadley said, 'Congressman, I am going to take this chart,
and I am going to show it to the man. The man that he meant, Mr. Speaker, was the President of the United States.'"

Weldon repeated the account of the meeting in a book published earlier this year.

The White House has repeatedly refused to comment on the issue or to arrange an interview with Hadley.

BUSH KNEW.

I Googled a bit because I recalled that after 9/11 way more body bags were ordered than were actually needed. Such is the way of governments. Anyway, several sites mentioned the figure 30 thousand which jibed with my recall. And of course, there were deaths in the 3 thousand range. Hopefully, 'they' have overestimated once again. Probably Mayor Nagin's estimates are the most accurate.

Hey all-
a must read on gas prices from Al Martin, the author of the splash story at this link:

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/

as if we didn't know already......

Pat C - Come to think about it, when something I see actually manifests itself, it usually been in a 2 to 4 week period. I had a vision years ago that my mothers car got totaled on a rural road. The vision had her car being broadsided on the passenger side. I called and told her to be careful. Two weeks later she called and said my brother was driving her car, when another ran a stopsign and broadsided him into a ditch. The car was totaled. It happened on a country road near her house. So that's how some of these things play out. I can't 'see' dates or specific places, it's like odd pictures set into motion. Sometimes, a feeling accompanies the image. The feeling I got last night was an intense shaking, but I was sitting still.

This BS from the repugs/cons must be put to rest.
These crooked nuts say all the time that governments don't work, debase anything to do with
govt. etc. etc. But the real problem is when the
repugs steal and run the govt. then and only THEN
govt. doesn't work. The reason for that is not the
Govt. The real reason is that inept,inefficient,
incompetents like brownie boy of FEMA, bolton for
UN, james Watt during reagan era heading EPA and
on and on, you can cite hundreds of these incompetents who are appointed to head these orgs.
No wonder they don't work when repugs are in DC or
for that matter in State capitols. So like don't blame the messenger, blame the message; same way, dont blame the govt. blame these repugs cronies and nuts who are appointed by other corrupt repugs
to head and run them.With their incompetent brains
all they can do is destroy these(well run orgs
during democrats RUN) and ruin them totally.

As for too many body bags after 9/11. I honestly think everyone thought there'd be more deaths. I know I did. Watching it happen, and knowing how many people usually are there at that time of day, I was expecting at least 10,000 deaths. Thankfully, most of those bags remained empty. I dearly hope that is the case in NO.

Cybear, I have enjoyed Houston everytime I have gone there in the past. While the diversity of larger Northeastern cities (NY, Boston, Etc) is well known, few know just how much diversity is in Houston. It has the largest Asian population to the West coast, including a huge hispanic and eastern European population. My uncle's wife(my aunt) is Korean and live in Houston.

People must realize that Houston has already suffered much under Enron and those scandals so Houstonians are paying a high price for letting in such a large population in just one week.

Sure, there will always be bad apples in a bunch, but that is not Houston's fault. Again, this just shows how inept and unprepared this admin. was to deal with a truly dangerous natural disaster. FEMA should be helping these people. Instead, Texas and other states, already suffering from a poor economy are forced to help these people.

I just wonder when people will realize that their federal tax dollars aren't going to help the citizens of the US, but to fill the pockets of Haliburton.

Cybear, I have enjoyed Houston everytime I have gone there in the past. While the diversity of larger Northeastern cities (NY, Boston, Etc) is well known, few know just how much diversity is in Houston. It has the largest Asian population to the West coast, including a huge hispanic and eastern European population. My uncle's wife(my aunt) is Korean and live in Houston.

People must realize that Houston has already suffered much under Enron and those scandals so Houstonians are paying a high price for letting in such a large population in just one week.

Sure, there will always be bad apples in a bunch, but that is not Houston's fault. Again, this just shows how inept and unprepared this admin. was to deal with a truly dangerous natural disaster. FEMA should be helping these people. Instead, Texas and other states, already suffering from a poor economy are forced to help these people.

I just wonder when people will realize that their federal tax dollars aren't going to help the citizens of the US, but to fill the pockets of Haliburton.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_New_Orleans

In the Battle of New Orleans of the War of 1812, the United States forces defeated the British on January 8, 1815.

...............

http://www.galafilm.com/1812/e/events/orleans.html

The South in 1814: Background to the Battle of New Orleans

...............

http://www.niehs.nih.gov/kids/lyrics/battleof.htm

Battle of New Orleans - Song

Narrative by Jimmy Driftwood:

“After the Battle of New Orleans, which Andrew Jackson won on January the 8th eighteen and fifteen, the boys played the fiddle again that night, only they changed the name of it from the battle of a place in Ireland to the “Eighth of January”. Years passed and in about nineteen and forty-five an Arkansas school teacher slowed the tune down and put words to it and that song is The Battle Of New Orleans and I will try to sing it for you.” (*Note -- two minor revisions were made for classroom use)

Well, in eighteen and fourteen we took a little trip
along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississip.
We took a little bacon and we took a little beans,
And we caught the bloody British near the town of New Orleans.

We fired our guns and the British kept a'comin.
There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago.
We fired once more and they began to runnin'
down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

Well, I see'd Mars Jackson walkin down the street
talkin’ to a pirate by the name of Jean Lafayette [pronounced La-feet]
He gave Jean a drink that he brung from Tennessee
and the pirate said he’d help us drive the British in the sea.

More...

refugees now being called "detainees"

did someone say there was concern about the wild paranoia ?

Read it and weep (with pictures)

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/fema.html

P.S.

excerpt from above

"e then precedes to tell us that some churches had already enquired into whether they could send a van or bus on Sundays to pick up any occupants of their cabins who might be interested in attending church. FEMA will not allow this.

The occupants of the camp cannot leave the camp for any reason.

If they leave the camp they may never return. They will be issued FEMA identification cards and "a sum of money" and they will remain within the camp for the next 5 months.

Whaaaaaaaaaat?

From the White House:

"There is a gathering here of hurricane victims testifying to the TV cameras about their difficulty in getting out of New Orleans.

Probably about 200 people.

There's a lot of mainstream press here and a lot of people with signs that say shame...

Now they are walking across the street and standing directly in front of the White House and screaming, "Shame on Bush".

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/8/135834/3616

Now's the big chance to try out their martial law game. We'll see if they can pull it off.

"Anderson Cooper is showing pictures of mutilated bodies at at the convention centre on CNN right now. So much for the ban on pictures of dead bodies. Could this possibly be Cooper thumbing his nose at FEMA's request/order?

To make this more of a diary, Lou Dobbs was EXTREMELY negative towards the administration in his hour tonight. I was listening rather than paying attention, but after one guest was on, saying that the federal government needs to take some accountability, Lou Dobbs said "Amen, brother."

Lou Dobbs? Amen, brother? Power to the people!!"

I believe we are out of control. Relatively speaking.

Update from Denver:

One of the tony hair salons in doing free hairdos for some of the survivor, refugee, evacuee, detainees.

This was posted by Jo over on Salon.

Here is a letter from the White House dated August 27th, granting aid to State of Louisiana... if you look carefully at the list of parishes, you note that none of the southern or coastal parishes are included! Talk about incompetence! Parishes granted aid:

"Allen, Avoyelles, Beauregard, Bienville, Bossier, Caddo, Caldwell, Claiborne, Catahoula, Concordia, De Soto, East Baton Rouge, East Carroll, East Feliciana, Evangeline, Franklin, Grant, Jackson, LaSalle, Lincoln, Livingston, Madison, Morehouse, Natchitoches, Pointe Coupee, Ouachita, Rapides, Red River, Richland, Sabine, St. Helena, St. Landry, Tensas, Union, Vernon, Webster, West Carroll, West Feliciana, and Winn."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050827-1.html

from dKOS timeline:

2005/08/27 Governor Kathleen Blanco Governor Kathleen Blanco request federal assistance from President Bush. Note: Although this document is dated Aug. 28 Larry Johnson writes that it was actually published on Lexis Nexis and delivered to Bush on Sat. Aug. 27. Bush declares a state of emergency. However, Bush's disaster declaration mysteriously omits the Parishes most at risk, including Orleans, Jefferson, and Plaquemines.

http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Hurricane_Katrina_timeline

btw this is a great timeline

finally,tomdelay is on the way to being punished

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aEveixia8LqE

jm

there's a move to camp out near White House on 9/11... got it in my email... will have to look for it...

Meanwhile at the beauty salon... free facials have been included with the new dos.

http://www.markfiore.com/animation/gras.html

above,hitting at the incompetence ofshrub&crooks

I know, Jo. I expect a meet-up with Cindy's group and quite a public response.

My fav blogger these days is Billmon. He has a great piece on contrast between response time from Bush and FEMA for four hurricanes last year in Florida, an election year, and Katrina...

"Where There's A Will"

http://billmon.org/archives/002125.html

And I highly recommend him for reading overall... his pieces are informative and linked and once in a while he throws in a bit of snark and/or wonderful photos...

http://billmon.org/

cheny takes it onhisdummy chin

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Cheney_told_to_go_fuck_yourself_in_Gulfport_Missi_0908.html

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/1files

this is better

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/lfiles

Pat C & Jo, thanks for the links (FEMA letter from the White House & the dkos H Kat timeline)! I've been looking for concise info to e-mail my brother, who thinks somehow the city of NO & the state should be self-sufficient or primarily responsible for disaster relief. I appreciate having the whitehouse.gov link and the gov.louisiana.gov link from the dkos article. YEA! The e-mail is on its way!

I've been thinking about those refugees who are now "detainees" for 5 months in the hinterlands
of Oklahoma.
excerpt from above
I dont see a reason for that unless they're felons or child molesters or something.

I think we should call Senator Landrieux, the Senator of Oklahoma too, and maybe Oklahoma's governor. What kind of thing is that - making refugees "detainees" in a "camp" ?

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/fema.html

"e then precedes to tell us that some churches had already enquired into whether they could send a van or bus on Sundays to pick up any occupants of their cabins who might be interested in attending church. FEMA will not allow this.
The occupants of the camp cannot leave the camp for any reason. "

From a friend in Michigan, who got this from a friend in Maine:

I was talking to my mother the other night and she told me that #2 heating oil is almost double what it was this spring. That's what everyone uses in those parts. 250 gallon drum in the basement:)

There are very very few lobsters this year and with the high costs of fishing it's puting a lot of local fisherman out of business. Gas that they use comes from a marina and they are always more money. gas is $4.39 a gallon:(
--------

On a side note....Raw Story seems to be stalling out...it is either overloaded with visitors because of the juicy stories, which I managed to copy as headlines, or it is being hacked....?

Back to astrology and astronomy.....have read several different sources now( besides our resident astro writers) looking at the period of sept 17-25/27 as being active for sunspots, magnetic storms, etc...of course, that is the period of the full moon also.....I feel as if the energy continues barreling along, but essentially not difficult until that point of the tensions from the full moon.... and what will happen to the collective 'mind' when these stresses get worse....

I am really amazed that we will soon have another encampment at the mall in DC.....hooray....and I can't wait to see the story of how Cheney was told to go f***himself....perhaps the sanctioned 'civil' disobediance these rethugs have used will return with the force of solar flares, magnetic storms and lots of toxic waste on them....finally.

Anglo-ameriCOs have a deeply-ingrained habit of interring OTHER people, then robbing them... the Japanese-Americans, for instance. Not only were they unwillingly interred, all their property was confiscated.

"confiscated"

And they relocated the occupants and owners of the 9th ward properties closest to the Mississippi and to the lake; scattered them all over the country. People who very unlikely have the money or wherewithall to get back to New Orleans.

The better and easier to claim "confiscate" their land for refineries, oil drilling, etc etc.

That's what I think.

kiwijeanie, this from a good friend:

IEM privately owned company. Because of that they do not have to reveal revenue or ownership. Madhu Beriwal is CEO which in privately owned co is often called owner...She is only and MBA . The company is likely a normal cash cow for republians who order studies and get "kcikbacks" The company is basically a datamining company. They are very small for a risk managment firm. only 3-4 offices. Headquaters in Salt Lake
The issue of WMD and biological weapons etc. Is legitimate in formulating an emergency management of the gulf. Here's why there are 3-4 storage depots located there. USA SBCcom US army soldier biological chemical command. They are controlled by Edgewood chemical biologial center at Aberdeen proving grounds in Maryland.
Additionally there are other noxious chemical factories located in the area. a well as Tulane U which has a Category 3 biologial weapons storage .
Beyond all of that is the perto chemical industry itself which has by-product that are lighter than water and mix with water making them extremely dangerous. Such as methyls, carbon tetracloride, ethers etc.

Perhaps the management plan was to let chaos ensue then bring in the military without any other real plan at all....

From another good friend:

"...JLWA and Innovative Emergency Management, Inc. (IEM) worked together to successfully complete the draft review. IEM is an international consulting firm specializing in the use of information technology to engineer and improve organizational processes, leverage knowledge, and assess and manage risks, especially those arising from low-probability, high-consequence events and is headquartered in Baton Rouge, Louisiana."

http://www.wittassociates.com/1171.xml

JLWA and IEM worked together to complete the draft review... but apparently FEMA outsourced the job to IEM and Gov Blanco hired JLWA...

very convoluted...

then there's the report online that Blanco has been screaming for years for work to be done on the levees...

Only fact I can derive is that this administration cares for nothing but war, all our monies are going to the war... and we can forget about education, meds for seniors, healthcare --- or even funds to prevent disaster... faith-based society is going to have to care for itself, and that includes protecting itself from attack (Nat'l Guard has been seized by Rummy for war) and caring for ourselves after the attack. Better buy plenty of duct tape and band aids and store water and canned food and buy a gun to shoot your neighbors when they run out...

Just google "IEM Disaster" --- it's all over the web

NOLA Disaster Plan Outsourced

U.S. Politics: Current Events Blog

In May of 2004, IEM included James Lee Witt Associates, LLC in their proposal to the Federal Emergency Management Agency for developing a FEMA Catastrophic Plan for Southeast Louisiana and the New Madrid Seismic Zone.

After the proposal was submitted to FEMA, James Lee Witt Associates was not approached again by IEM, nor did JLWA have any involvement whatsoever in the project.

http://villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat/archive/001274.php

Bush Regime Remains in Persistent Vegetative State
Wakes up long enough to help GOP Congress push through bill OK'ing corporate looting during Katrina cleanup

Emrging from hell...I hope he likes green jello.

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_3010123

Moving on: Evacuees reunite with family; some call SLC home

2,000 Postal Workers Missing
Thursday, September 08, 2005

WASHINGTON — The post office has delivered some 15,000 Social Security checks at collection points in the area affected by Hurricane Katrina (search), officials said Wednesday. But the agency is still trying to locate 2,000 of its workers.

In the affected region, 188 post offices have returned to full service, 189 are providing limited service and 120 are still closed.

"In some cases the facility has ceased to exist," Postal Service senior vice president Thomas G. Day said.

Postmaster General John Potter (search) said about 720,000 delivery points in Louisiana, mostly in New Orleans and the surrounding area, remain without service, as do about 100,000 delivery locations in Mississippi. All post offices in Alabama have returned to service.

Day said 51,800 people who have been evacuated from their homes have filed change-of-address forms so their mail can be forwarded, and the post office is encouraging more people to do so.

The agency is working to get checks, financial documents, medications and other vital items delivered to the people who need them, Day said.

JoannaOregon,

I think that all of us have this habit. Anglo-Americans are no different from others. I love my hispanic-indian heritage, but we do the same. It's just human nature.

One thing I love about anglo culture is it strong sense of reform and the rights of the individual. From my hispanic culture, I love the strong sense of community.

I think that its a blessing that I can take the best of both worlds. When I was younger, I didn't like being mixed, but now I think its a blessing and its a part of who I am.

Oh, more hurricanes in the Atlantic. We will have another "super storm". I have read that this is a product of Uranus and Neptune in mutual reception. I think this coud lead to the end of the Bush admin.

Lori, it was my pleasure to pick Jo's brain so that you could show your brother some wisdom. :-)

Cybear, I know it must be frustrating to have just enough information to wish you saw more. Been there.

Pat QOP, you are in my thoughts.

Sharon, may you journey bring you home.

Sung tothe tune of 'The Bear Went Over the Mountain...'

The nails are are in his coffin, the nails are in his coffin...

CNN is NOT lying down...and the rest of the press is following suit. The thinkers are drawing parallels between past events and present events. The "people" are watching. We are screaming...

The nails are in his coffin, the nails are in his coffin...

As I keep saying ad nauseum, ad hiccuping, and sneezing...the wolves are going to bring this bloated carcass down, nip by nip, snarl by snarl, flank by flank.

Hey...there are two interesting stories published today that are not on storms, but relate in another way....one is from the SF Chronicle
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/09/07/BUG9NEJD3L1.DTL

It is on a company which is saying they are going to have the technology to create energy from magnets....

The other one Tseka turned me on to....and she may post it also....and that one had me really shouting hoorayyyyy! that one is from the Scotsman....
http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=1903892005

Wed 7 Sep 2005
articleScientists able to move an object without touching
-----------------------------
New energy sources that have nothing to do with oil....! little acorns growing in the sludge of this oil mess....

Brian Williams was just on the Daily Show and he was reporting on the indidation of the press by the "authorities" there. He is out of the block.

That should have been intimidation.

Breaking news on CNN right now saying that Time Magazine is reporting that FEMA Director Michael Brown LIED on his resume about several important aspects of his professional experience and career background,including the revelation that he was NEVER a Professor of Law at Oklahoma City University which is claimed on his on-line biography!!

I guess the "Medal of Freedom" from Bush is closer and much more likely now!!!

CNN really doing an "up yours" reporting job on Katrina (yea!)to Shrub. AND this just out...Mr. Head up His #@%% of FEMA, misrepresented his qualifications on his website...said he was a professor at a Univ., he was not. More misrepresentations, but I can't remember them. Just put on CNN as "Breaking News." The time here in Princeton is 11:57 pm. This must have come on at about 11:30.

The nails are in his coffin, the nails are in his coffin .... ta dum, de dum dum, dumb.

AND Keith Olberman is slashing Shrub!

Ah, the diamond hues of truth!

It's like fresh air.

Mercury is moving toward an opposition to Uranus. Oh boy...

Travieso: "I think that all of us have this habit. Anglo-Americans are no different from others. I love my hispanic-indian heritage, but we do the same. It's just human nature."

No.

Travieso... it seems that a great many sterotypical "liberals" bend double to "be fair." I have no more interest in "being fair"... I have lots of interest in surviving well & that means giving the destroyers no leeway. I have no interest in pirouetting across a burned-out barren landscape made so by the destroyers & pirouetting lib'rals... I plan to take my sledge hammer & do some real damage to them instead. I think you get my drift.

Nope, folks, they won't be happy until we all work for WalMart at wages that will allow us to buy Saltines and Velveeta so we'll have the stamina to get up the next morning and go work at our jobs.
http://money.cnn.com/2005/09/08/news/economy/katrina_wages.reut/

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Joanna, are you a minority? I'm sorry but I disagree with you on this.

I don't know what you mean by being liberal and "fair". This is what life has shown me. And, if it doesn't "jive" with your world view - well so be it.

I can't hate someone because they don't look like me and speak my language. I just cannot blame another race, knowing that my own people are quilty of some of the same things.

http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/637/1/

Only the red parishes in Northern Louisiana were mentioned in Bush's pre-Katrina declaration of emergency. See the map.

I agree with Joanna.....and I used to bend double to be fair....but you know what? People need to be worthy of being fair with or to.....because if you play fair with someone who has no respect for fairness....you get f****.

Kiwijeannie....I did a cursory search on IEM....turns out there are several....so far I have found 3 different ones....only one of which mentions Katrina work. all the same initials, but different meanings...this one mentions Katrina:
http://www.ieminc.com/

this one is about radiation and is out of TN
http://www.iem-inc.com/

this one is out of Malaysia
http://iem-thai.com/site/index.php/iem

Obviously, the first one is the one we have been talking about....and one of the officers is :
Madhu Beriwal  President & CEO
Richard L. Haley Vice President of Management and Acquisition
Ted G. Lemcke Vice President of Core Technologies
Charles Kelly Vice President of Defense Operations
Wayne C. Thomas Vice President of Homeland Security

Three cheers for Vis, he found Mike Brown's birthdata and for those of you who study astrology, it will make you skin crawl. Several years ago I wrote a short story, it was a murder mystery with an astro flavor. I had to pick a date for the murderer so it would fit with the specific time frame and a specific clue. I picked the date and finished the story (The Weeping Sisters) a few years later I was reading a book about the Hillside Strangler (for those of you who remember that serial killer) the birthdate I had picked would have given any astrologer chills, it was supposed to, it was the Hillside Strangler's birthday.

Mr. Brown's chart will give you chills. November 8, 1954, Guymon, Oklahoma. This isn't a chart that a person would have to dig out his problems through aspects, there are hitting you in the face when you see it. Jupiter/Uranus conjunction in late degree Cancer, squaring Mercury/Neptune conj. in late degree Libra and Saturn at 12 degrees Scorpio exactly square Mars in Aquarius.

Someone above said "Brown is toast" oh he is that alright, and when he is finally toasted, he will be a dangerous man, he also has an exact Venus (late degree scorpio) Pluto square (late degree Leo. The Saturn in Scorpio square the Mars in Aqu is mean, they enjoy being mean, they enjoy torturing others, physically or mentally.

The interesting thing is his astro connections to George Bush, all his key people have this cruel streak running though them, I mean really cruel, whips and chains type of cruel. Makes me wonder what kind of operation is being run at the WH, and what on earth they have in mind.

Tomorrow, I am putting up the beginning of a Vedic Tutorial, we can use a break and let our minds move toward a new understanding of a different type of astrology.

One thing to keep in mind in all of this is the power of Sagittarius. It can be a wild ride. If you had a Jupiter at 20 degrees Sag and a Moon at 22 straddling the 9th house cusp as I do, you would know what I mean. I have spent my whole life attemting to rein in this force.

Jupiter was given dominion over the surface of the earth and Pluto, over the underworld. Pluto is now traveling in Jupiter's territory so there it was. Pluto just errupted on Jupiter's surface. A revelation has occurred.
Jupiter expands exponentially what it touches and when juxtaposed to Pluto, all hell can break loose, and it has.

The Sagittarian archer has the powerful body of a horse to catapault him into the greater universe. He also has a bow and arrow to go even further into the cosmos. There is no end to what he seeks.
I have seen and felt the sagittarian urge for huge experiences going beyond any previous barrier, reaching into the unknown. The archtypical Sagittarian goes for pure experience regardless if it is good or bad. She has to know. She has to go out there and find out for herself. And she is often unafraid and entirely unrestrained.

Nothing can stop this erruption now. It is an impossible energy to hold back and we are in the midst of a huge catharsis. It was a long, long time coming. The reverberations will also be going on for a long long time.

Next month, Jupiter will be traveling in Scorpio in pluto's territory so some big issue is being confronted. And this is worldwide. We are doing this for everyone. It's a major historic moment.

A major destruction is underway and hasn't ended yet. No one knows where this will land but one thing it is doing is calling on our faith.

Mark Morford's Notes & Errata =====
SFGate.com - Friday, September 9, 2005

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George W. Bush Still Rocks!
Stop criticizing! The rich man's CEO president is executing his job requirements perfectly
By Mark Morford

Everyone is slamming poor Dubya. Everyone is saying, oh my God, he's more inept than we ever imagined, he has no idea what's really going on, he's oblivious and in denial and he pretty much let all those poor black people die in filth and misery, and he basically ignored the massive Katrina disaster for days before finally being pressured into cutting his umpteenth vacation short and actually taking action.

This is what they're saying. Kanye West was right, Bush doesn't care about black people, or the poor, or anything that doesn't directly serve his handlers' agenda or flatter his monochromatic ego or anything that isn't spelled out for him in nice simplistic pie charts and reassuring matronly tones.

And lo, the darts are slinging in from around the world, according to SF Gate's own World Views column: "Maddening incompetence ... reminiscent of a drought-stricken African state," says Britain's Daily Mail. "Can't get it together," says a major paper in Italy. "A plethora of grim tales of disaster," says the Scotsman. "Superpower or Third World?" asks the Spanish daily Noticias de Álava. Why did BushCo fail its first great national-security test since Sept. 11, despite having two days' advance notice of Katrina's wrath? asks Le Monde. And on it goes, the world's powers looking on in one part shock and one part disgust and all parts repugnance for Bush's rampant ineptitude and America's apparent inability to take care of its own.

But it's so unfair, isn't it, to attack poor Dubya like this? Just a little misplaced? After all, Bush has always been the rich white man's president. He is the CEO president, the megacorporate businessman's friend, the thug of the religious right, a big reservoir-tipped condom for all energy magnates, protecting against the nasty STDs of humanitarianism and progress and social responsibility. ...

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/gate/archive/2005/09/09/notes090905.DTL&nl=fix)

A beautiful, beautiful post from Billmon. Good man.

http://billmon.org/archives/002147.html

"The entire community is now a toxic waste dump"
The Gulf Coast is drowning in a poisonous stew, people are dying from waterborne bacteria, and federal funds have been drained by years of pro-industry policies. Katrina is one of the worst environmental catastrophes in U.S. history.

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By Rebecca Clarren

Sept. 9, 2005 | From 500 feet in the air, Chris Wells, a geographer with the U.S. Geological Survey, looked with dismay on the landscape pounded and then abandoned by Hurricane Katrina. As Wells flew on Wednesday above the Louisiana coastline, across New Orleans, the marshlands south of the city, and over Mississippi, nearly every tree was snapped, their limbs twisted around in a braid, the bark shredded right off the trunk. The marshland below looked as though somebody had taken a spatula and scraped away the marsh grasses, leaving a sea of mud. Aside from a number of shorebirds, and one 8-foot alligator swimming about 20 miles offshore, Wells saw no wildlife. What he did see were streaks of oil, some miles long and 200 yards wide.

"It was on any body of water of any significance," he says. Hundreds of thousands of inland acres are covered with a spotty sheen of oil. "The landscape right now is absolutely bizarre and unreal," Wells says, from his home in Lafayette, La. "It's emotionally draining. Even if nobody was hurt, it's heartbreaking to see what has happened to the environment."

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/09/09/wasteland/print.html

Thought I would share this "Weekahead" by Joyce Hoen, which I get in an e-mail weekly.

September 9-17

We are coming under the "influence" of a Saturn-Pluto aspect, a sesquiquadrate, with Saturn in Leo and Pluto in Sagittarius. Around September 11 2001 we had the opposition, which changed the world dramatically and which really was the start of the current phase in the cycle. Now we are starting a series of three sesquiquadrates, which denotes a shift in the economic realm as well as with regard to the issues of power in the world. And New Orleans may well have to do with it. If 2001 started the rise of power of President Bush, the readjustment may now occur with things happening in his homeland, where help from all over the world WILL be welcome and pride should be set aside (Saturn in Leo.....) No longer can he point the finger to an outside enemy (which people always do when they want to uplift themselves)

In fact, many of us can look forward to an attack on our Pride with Saturn in Leo conjuncting our Pluto's (a whole generation of people in power have Pluto in Leo). Leo loves to glow with `giving things to people`(even if they don't have it, something which does not go well with their
consciousness, the idea of not having enough to share out). But reality may set in here with Saturn in Leo..

The second of these sesquiquadrates between Saturn and Pluto (these aspects always come in three's) , is exactly when we start the new year, January 1, 2006 and the third one to finalize it takes place June 30 next year. All worldly (western) things up until now have been characterized with what happened September 11, but from now on, a new tide is taking place in world-affairs, with regard to authority, power, and economics. Where the issues of 2001 were largely man-made, we now see what nature (Mars prolonged in Taurus) can do, and thus the (western) world has other issues to deal with. In the wake of the Tsunami in Asia, it now occurred on Western soil, so the battle (Mars) is with the forces of nature (Taurus).

Mars equals our energysystems amongst others as well and many feel depleted of energy and vitality currently. But in reality it may simply mean that most of us have just been too busy never stopping for a moment. Mars in Taurus asks us to slow down. In fact, that's precisely what I have done last week, spent some real relaxing time in the midst of nature, with just a laptop and no television, just a few consultations and no further visitors. In fact, I haven't a clue about what's going on in the world currently. So if I have missed something.. that's the reason.. It will be busy enough as it is, with some interesting aspects denoting "change" coming along further on in September and an eclipseperiod and Mars retrograde in October. Jupiter will also change sign from Libra to Scorpio at the end of October, and currently is "racing" through the zodiac moving through the 2nd half of Libra right now in these 2 months. A planet which is speeded up always is impacting our lives less than a planet which is slowing down (such as Mars in Taurus currently). Currently, both Mars and Jupiter are Venus-ruled, if you are in the arts , make the most of it, and produce (Mars in Taurus), for once Jupiter is out of Libra, things will change there and you may feel less artistic.

What would you think about a week of astrology in Tuscany in Italy May next year with a.o. Liz Greene, organized by ISAR? Only 90 people can attend, see this page http://www.isarastrology.com

Have a great weekend!
Joyce

Antiwar.com

September 9, 2005
A Time for Action
Focus on Sept. 24-26 days of protest
by Justin Raimondo
There is a time to talk the talk, and a time to walk the walk – a time for analysis, and a time for action – and now is the time for the latter. We need immediate action to stop the war – before it spreads beyond Iraq, before it bankrupts our country, before all the blood needlessly shed leaves an indelible moral stain that will shame us for generations to come. I read and write about this rotten war practically every day, and I'm beginning to wonder: when will it ever end?

We've talked, and written, and discussed among ourselves until we're blue in the face: now it is time to act. Thanks to United for Peace and Justice, a national coalition of hundreds of groups opposed to our interventionist foreign policy, a golden opportunity presents itself on the weekend of Sept. 24-26, when a great coming together of the antiwar movement is planned.

This event, however, promises to be far more than a gathering of the usual suspects. In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, as resentment of the lies, the incompetence, the sheer criminality of our rulers reaches a crescendo, this weekend of protest has the potential to become the focal point of a mass movement – one that has the power to defeat, once and for all, the neoconservative gang that has hijacked American foreign policy and recklessly steered it in an increasingly dangerous direction.

Much more with links at
http://antiwar.com/justin/

Billmon rocks. I loved your description of Sag. jm, totally dead on, and you are so right- faith is the key word.

Even though I totally believe Atlantis existed, I have been known to ridicule some faux NewAgers' constant references to it, a la 'Boopsie' from Doonesbury. That being said, it just hit me this morning that the stories from Louisiana and Mississippi are awakening our cellular, karmic memories of the Deluge.
I know that our 'interesting times' are mirroring the cycles within cycles within cycles of the great Wheels nested within each other. The crossroads we're sitting at has implications from ages past and for ages to come.
Also, I think I read it here but just in case I didn't and also because I enjoyed it so much I'd like to repeat: I wouldn't want to be BushCo and sons having f**ked with the heart of Voodoo in this country.
Stick a pin in thos Dubya and Brown dolls for me, sister!

"What would you think about a week of astrology in Tuscany in Italy May next year "

Now there's a d@#$ optimistic thought? We don't know how many of us when still be 'here' next year, if we'll have the money to eat, and some poor soul is thinking about a week thinking about astrology?

whatever!

I just saw this, Laurie: "Leo loves to glow with `giving things to people`(even if they don't have it, something which does not go well with their
consciousness, the idea of not having enough to share out)."

TRUE,TRUE,TRUE. As a Leo, it is absolutely PAINFUL to not have something to give out. We'll give even what we don't have, and damn the consequences for later- it makes me think of all the money being given out now. The FEMA checks, which somebody above suggested were given from a bankrupt government, and all the people donating now. The new bankruptcy laws are going to be an issue which can't be denied. Indentured servitude must be right around the corner.

Thanks, Peg. We'll help one another through this and be wiser, closer as a family.

re the "week ahead" post--I am so confused. With Pluto around 24 Sag; when Saturn in Leo approaches 24--isn't that a trine?

What am I missing here?

America's Battered Wife Syndrome
(If prev. posted, I apologize)

Dear America

As a friend of the family I can’t sit back and watch you do this to yourself without saying something. Consider this a long distance intervention.

Your man is no good. He treats you like crap, lies to you, abuses you, bullies you, exploits you, takes your money. As a friend I want to tell you that you deserve better. You deserve a person that treats you with respect, cares about your welfare, and your children’s welfare, but that’s not George and it never will be.

Do you tell yourself that he’ll stop, or that it won’t get worse? He won’t ever stop, every insult, injury and death he has caused are a line that once crossed will never be uncrossed. Forget the dream. You will never have the American dream with George. You have to forget about what might have been, what George might have been, and realise that at the end of the day you are what you do, and look at George’s track record.

Notice how he’s alienated all your friends? Who can blame them, they can’t understand why you stay with him when he treats you like shit and embarrasses you in front of everybody. The more his public behaviour overshadows yours, The more doubt creeps over them, they wonder if they knew you as well as they thought they did. You seem to have changed - if you condone his behaviour- and your silence can create the impression that you do. People are more inclined to take things at face value when they feel alienated. Your friends remember the good times you had together, the heroic battles you fought together, all of the intricate interweavings between their families and yours through time and space. Do you even recognise yourself anymore America? He is a drunken, coke-addled loser and he always will be, you should kick him out of your house today before he can destroy any more members of your family, your history, your culture, before he decimates your bank account so irretrievably that China and Saudi Arabia repossess all your stuff.

YOU CAN DO BETTER! You are an amazing country, beautiful, interesting, funny, positively glamorous, you wouldn’t stay single for five minutes, you know that suitors would be competing for your affections and any one of them would be ten times better than George. And how can you stand his god-awful Stepford’s answer to Marie-Antoinette mother, piping up with another casual atrocity every time she opens her mouth...
(more at link)

http://12thharmonic.com/wordpress/index.php/2005/09/07/americas-battered-wife-syndrome/th.

Concerned American, absolutely perfect!!! Thank you so much for posting that!

Peg, I know that one too!

bbuster, yes.

From that 12th Harmonic site posted above:

Thursday September 8, 2005

Persecuting the victims

Posted by Advena at around evening time.
A Survivor’s account:

From a woman with a battery-powered radio, we learned that the media was talking about us. Up in full view on the freeway, every relief and news organizations saw us on their way into the city. Officials were being asked what they were going to do about all those families living up on the freeway. The officials responded that they were going to take care of us. Some of us got a sinking feeling. “Taking care of us” had an ominous tone to it.

Unfortunately, our sinking feeling (along with the sinking city) was accurate.

Just as dusk set in, a sheriff showed up, jumped out of his patrol vehicle, aimed his gun at our faces and screamed, “Get off the fucking freeway.” A helicopter arrived and used the wind from its blades to blow away our flimsy structures. As we retreated, the sheriff loaded up his truck with our food and water.

Joanna (& Judi): re: "Anglo-ameriCOs have a deeply-ingrained habit of interring OTHER people, then robbing them... the Japanese-Americans, for instance. Not only were they unwillingly interred, all their property was confiscated."

Please see:
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a385bbdd71053.htm

~snip~

The harassment wasn't confined to Italian Americans. The well-known ordeal of Japanese Americans -- 120,000 of whom were thrown into detention camps -- will be remembered by a monument in Washington, D.C.

Meanwhile, as many as 11,000 German-born immigrants were interned in America during the war, according to Fox, who plans to explore their experiences in another book.

During World War II, Italian Americans were the single largest foreign-born group in the United States.

Of 5 million Italian Americans, more than 600,000 were branded enemy aliens because of their immigrant status. An untold number were fingerprinted and ordered to carry identification cards, had their personal property seized and their travel restricted. Hundreds were interned, and thousands more were arrested or detained, based on congressional estimates.

(more...)

This is what Bush gave us for protection...just good old boys with a really big mean streak.

http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/apps/nl/newsletter2.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=917053#3

Duty to who? Certainly not his country.

http://teachers.henrico.k12.va.us/varina/hasley_m/fdr/humanrights.html

"...Around 100,000 Japanese Americans were put in relocation camps (interment) soon after Pearl Harbor. Fewer Germans and Italians were also."

http://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=false&doc=74&page=transcript
(text of Executive Order 9066)

http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5154/

~snip~ "Although it is not well known, the same executive order (and other war-time orders and restrictions) were also applied to smaller numbers of residents of the United States who were of Italian or German descent. For example, 3,200 resident aliens of Italian background were arrested and more than 300 of them were interned. About 11,000 German residents—including some naturalized citizens—were arrested and more than 5000 were interned." ~snip~

While racism has always been evident in the US, I think it's a mistake to limit one's parameters to that alone. It seems to me that unless one is in the Billionaire Boys' Club, there is always the danger of being f***** with one way or another.

If it is possible to be any angrier, i am now. Just saw on ABC news, a seventy-plus year old woman being wrestled (by soldiers) to the floor of her dwelling because she would not leave and because she showed them with a small pistol in her hand.

I see i'm posting this after Lori's astute observation.

It's time to "storm the Bastille!"

karen

Poll: Should Brownie be fired?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080261/#survey

Looks bad for old Brownie Shy.

Travioso: "Joanna, are you a minority? I'm sorry but I disagree with you on this. I don't know what you mean by being liberal & "fair". This is what life has shown me. And, if it doesn't "jive" with your world view - well so be it. I can't hate someone because they don't look like me & speak my language. I just cannot blame another race, knowing that my own people are quilty of some of the same things."

All those things are wonderful, Trav! ...& praise for your youth! (Good thing the word "obtuse" is still in my vocabulary.) Blessed Be. ;O)

Do not forget the first 'calvary' swept across America slaughtering American Natives and looting their land. The Karma starts there.

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/po/2005/po050909.gif

We will now see of teflon floats.

Judi, I was just reminded by a friend that Casey had predicted the discovery of electromagnetic energy.

Brown removed a principal federal officer for this event...not fired.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/papersky/237021.html

New Orleans Talking Blues

When levees are flooded and hurricanes roar,
When the waters start seeping up under the door,
You'd expect the escape plans to include the poor
But this isn't that kind of song.

much, much more....

http://www.monthlyreview.org/1003platt.htm
The State of Welfare: United States 2003

Posted by Jo on Salon:

from moonofalabama/billmon

A.F.E.S. of A.

I am thinking for a while now about a concept some have named the "Authoritarian Free-Enterprise State" of America and how to cope with it. Anna-missed has one possible answer.

by anna missed (lifted from a comment)

Our government has ceased to be a government, and has instead become a corporate "facilitator". It has shorn itself from any public responsibility or morality or even civility in to most elementary sense. Its "soul" purpose now is to act only in the capital interest of its elite shareholders. Morality and ethics are determined only by the legal perimeters which they define as in the "interests" of the "nation".

The Iraq war and the hurricane Katrina only serve to illustrate how far down the road we have come, and beyond the obvious violations of morality, and so within their radicalness, fissures in the veneer will often appear -- when the blatant and glaring contradiction of the product being sold is seen with crystal clarity, as being fraudulent.

Unfortunately for the administration, their project of selling people their own demise, requires a major and risky advertising adventure that must continually be ratcheted up to contain ever greater lies. So as we see, in mats post, they must now create illusions of benevolence within a disaster, that mask, so obviously, their predictable corporate mentality, of opportunistic seizure of wealth without accountability.

Short of armed insurrection, or an epiphany within the press, or some miracle of renewed political representation, what we are left with is to channel our anger (within these fissures between product and advertising) into a culturally derived stake aimed at the heart of the beast -- its credibility -- because an illusion of America, is not America.

Posted by Bernard

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2005/09/illusion_of_ame.html

Just reported on ITV News here in the UK that Brown has been 'relieved' of his duties!

I wonder who made that decision?

Jase, someone in charge.....hummmmm...who that might be is questionable to everyone...Cheney...Rove..maybe even Condi?

Katrina Astrology, and the Cardinal Points

Eric Francis

http://cainer.com/ericfrancis/eric.html

She really is as stupid as I suspected and insensetive as her mother in law...and Jesus wept!

Wife Says Criticism of Bush 'Disgusting'

Photo: AP
Click to enlarge

Laura Bush described as "disgusting" comments by rapper Kanye West and Democratic chairman Howard Dean blaming her husband for the disproportionate numbers of black hurricane victims.

"I think all of those remarks are disgusting, to be perfectly frank, because of course President Bush cares about everyone in our country," the first lady said Thursday in an interview with American Urban Radio Networks.

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/050909/ap/d8cgfdlg0.html

brownie is not fired; he has been REMOVED per the
head clown and buffoon in DC. This clown's play on
words is the WORST. whom does he think he is fooling? The clown thinks everyone in this country
has an IQ of -1000 just like him. When shrub is
on free FALL in polls, he gets his advice from
the rogue rove - use words like compassion and say
let's have PRAYER for this today, prayer for that
tomorrow, more prayer. I still can't undderstand
how this super power US of A put a complete bufoon
and a clown as their commander in THIEF!

An email to my friends. The time for action has come. Get organized. Join an organization. Protest peacefully. We're all in this together.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/fema.html.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/national/nationalspecial/08cnd-storm.html?ex=1126843200&en=3848efb32682ed57&ei=5070&emc=eta1
http://www.wired.com/news/hurricane/0,2904,68806,00.html?tw=rss.TEK

For it to be scary enough you have to know about the rumors of concentration camps having been built here which I have followed for years. Some democrats I talked to where talking about that recently. In the old days it was the Republican groups that were afraid Clinton was going to exterminate them instead. Combined with the way the disaster relief is being handled, imagine if there was a nationwide flu epidemic or a series of disasters and the same plan that is being used in New Orleans is used nationwide. Now imagine its election season and the gov decides to cancel elections due to a "national emergency".. the army and national guard place people in camps like the story above. Certain people are labeled enemies of the state...they disappear. This is repeated nationwide. There is a media blackout. No information is allowed to be leaked to the press. Already they are confiscating people's weapons. Confiscating weapons? The first thing the Nazis and Communists did was to confiscate the weapons. Think it can't happen? Who do you trust? Combine that with the last article I just sent you. Maybe its nothing, but I smell rats. Something isn't adding up in my head. I know what must be done to secure power forever. I know what I would do if I were a dark lord. "Lord Vadar, do what must be done...yes my master." You think Lucas made that movie by accident when he made it? Collective unconscious? Maybe its all planted in our subconscious by the vast unknown conspiracy as alledged by David Icke (I think its rather the reverse that the subconscious is planting the vast conspiracy into our heads but at the same time making it real- our worst fears made manifest)? I think this is wierd and disturbing. I know all the scenerios because I've read em all. Maybe we believed it couldnt happen here, maybe we have been asleep all these years. Maybe its nothing, but I think the situation is becoming more and more dangerous. Who is accountable, and who will be able to hold anyone accountable in the event of a national emergency. The Emperor..err president..will of course relinquish his emergency powers once the "crisis" has abetted. The time has come to decide whether you stand for freedom or for the big lie. People will have to make a choice. So whats it going to be? If it comes to pass, this may be the only warning you had. What will you do? Run away, stay and fight? Some will run, some will stay. Jesus said it best, ""Those who find their life will lose it, and those who lose their life for my
sake will find it." Now this stuff Im getting is now off www.antiwar.com which usually doesnt get too paranoid. Since the paranoia is spreading I think its good to warn you guys before things get really heywire. Your freedom may be gone before the year is up. The pieces are in place. Mars is going retrograde on October 1st, which means for you non astrology people, that there's going to be some unpleasant violence. There is a solar eclipse 2 days afterwards. Later on in November Mercury and Saturn will be retrograde with Mars simultaneously, and that all adds up to some ugly shit because the darkness is getting thicker. Now some of you dont believe in astrology, but all of what you see above added to Iran war plans and other saber rattling and all kinds of other madness add up to some really really crazy shit. I dont know whats going to happen, but I believe its going to be BIG. Im not sure if the total crackdown is coming yet, but I think its in the works. The people running the show just follow orders from the collective unconscious. I cant explain it, but our worst fears are being realized. The only way we can stop it is to stand up before its too late. I cant be silent anymore, because I would be complicit in the agreement of silence, and I wont be anymore. If they come for the peace protesters I will stand with them, if they come for the "gun nuts" I will stand with them, if they come for the rich or the poor I will stand for them, if they come for the gays I will stand with them. Watch the internet, make sure it hasn't been shut down. I moniter website continually, if anything wierd happens and all my sites go down but the mainstream press's are still up I will shoot you all a message and likely go into hiding. All of these precautions I believe have become necessary to ensure our way of life isnt taken away in the dead of night. I will stand for freedom and for America. I will not let them take it away. I recommend you consider your positions right now and ask yourself if you are going to stand for freedom and liberty or are you going to sleep while America dies. I wont. This is my country, and I will not let it happen. I refuse to let it happen. I say no to those who would take our right to assemble, our right to speak, our right to think, our right to bear arms, our right to self determination. Our freedom of choice. Link up to the freedom fighters. They are conservative and liberal, white and black, gay and straight, beautiful and ugly. www.antiwar.com http://www.amconmag.com/. You can get further links from there. I dont give a rats ass if your a Republican, a Democrat, or an Independent. We are all Americans and we need to say no to tyranny. That is why we are here, and that is why this country was founded. The people alone either need to accept their responsibility to do something about it, or accept the end of all that we hold dear. Now is the time to act. Now is the time to make a stand. Now is the time to make your voice heard. I will not stand idly by anymore. I am ready to join something and start getting active. Im sick of this war, Im sick of this BS, Im sick of the lies. Ive made up my mind. This will be the end of America or the day America wakes up. Its coming. No way around it. Countless years in the making.. The doom of our time (from Tolkein). No one will be neutral. Your either for freedom, or for tyranny, for violence or for peace, for love or for evil. Make your choice. Ive made mine. We likely go to our doom, the last march of the hippies. But for better or for worse, hope springs eternal. Long live the Lion of Judah! Long live America! The Eagles are coming!

Chris
"We stand alone at the end of time against the darkness, only the wind at our backs. Our hearts and minds sharpened with the quickening of time. The sound is heard in heaven, the angels are coming, they are coming again at last. The sun rises in the West. A New Dawn of Humankind. I am the Angel of Aquarius, I am humanity reborn."

Why America can't cope

There are deeper explanations for the New Orleans catastrophe than anyone has dared suggest, writes Andrew Stephen. The roots lie in America's deluded self-image

By Andrew Stephen

09/09/05 "New Statesman" -- -- We know, now, that there was not even a Prescott in charge in Washington. President Bush was exorcising heaven-knows-what demons by furiously riding his mountain bike in Texas - nobody, not even the Secret Service or a visiting Lance Armstrong, is allowed to pass him - while Vice-President Cheney was fly-fishing in Wyoming. Condoleezza Rice, next in charge, was shopping for shoes at Ferragamo's and watching Spamalot on Broadway and catching the US Open in New York; while Andy Card, the White House chief of staff, who is supposed to keep it all together, was taking in the sea breeze with much of the rest of the Bush crowd in Maine.

Rats gnawing at corpses floating down the streets three days after Katrina struck, bodies left to decompose in the stairwells of New Orleans's main hospital because its basement mortuary was flooded, tens of thousands still trapped, hungry and thirsty: only then did the inquests into what the Los Angeles Times called the "surreal foreignness" of it all start. But then the questioning was imbued with a peculiarly American self-righteousness and aggressive need to pin blame on the guilty: on the inattentiveness of the Bush administration, its lack of foresight, the racial and class divisions within the US, and so on.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10214.htm

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10198.htm

WARNING

Graphic images

Is This a civilized society?

What kind of country leaves the bodies of its citizens to rot in the streets?

Ravaged by Katrina, their corpses are left to feed rats and starving dogs.

Thousands of U.S. troops and government employees in New Orleans and each one is avoiding their responsibility to remove people and treat them with the respect they deserve.

I'm off to Canada for a couple of weeks, you're
on your own.

Joanna, just because I'm not bitter doesn't mean I'm young. I'm almost 40.

It's kinda funny that our conversation replicates the traditional patronizing relationship whites have had with so many of my native ancestors; you, a white woman, telling a gay minority how it is in the world - like a child. It's kinda telling isn't it.

P.S. Many of us minorities also speak English and I also know the definition of "obtuse" - "thick, imperceptive, not to keen".

Could leave without forwarding this...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/stevebell/0,7371,1566268,00.html

Poll: Is removing Brownie from FEMA enough?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080261/#survey

Raj-
re your post upthread at 8:14 pm, if you recall, the Supreme Court installed B*sh as the pRes. via a(n) (il)legal decision that stopped the legal recounts. By all verifications afterward, Gore would have won any and all recounts should they have been allowed to proceed legally per Fla. law.

And, to remind you all about my number 1 pet peeve, there is a mountain of evidence suggesting that the 2004 "election" was stolen/hacked electronically.

In summation, the evidence says that in the last 2 elections, the "people" 's voice has been suppressed/choked out...

WV,

Have a wonderful time in Canada...

visiting, or looking to relocate? :-)

Joanna said:

"Anglo-ameriCOs have a deeply-ingrained habit of interring OTHER people, then robbing them... the Japanese-Americans, for instance. Not only were they unwillingly interred, all their property was confiscated."

Right on, seesta!

Hard to say if they started 'interrng' with the Native Americans or the Africans. Did you know that the very first boat into Carolina (well, it was still part of Virginia then, but you get my drift... it was what came to be called Charles Town, later would be relocated further inland and called Charleston)... anyway, the very first boat had a black passenger --- he wasn't free though. Anyway, we interred the Africans on plantations and the Native Americans on reservations... and yes, we confiscated what they had - whether it was the land, which the Native Americans would be the first to say they never owned - or the labor of the blacks... who by the way, produced the cotton, tobacco and anything else that came from the land. Yes indeedy, we inter and confiscate. That's what we anglos do best.

And as if the first time wasn't evil enough, now we are routing black folks from their homes (yeah, some of them owned property... whatcha think, they're black, they're poor? bigot!) and shuttling them off to? well, Pallas has been telling you where they're going... to camp, and Tom DeLay is a fool if he thinks they're having fun!

Travieso, this is what Joanna is talking about. I don't know how you interpreted her words to infer she was talking down to you, like "white woman, telling a gay minority how it is in the world - like a child."

I luv ya dearly, Travieso, but Joanna is good people... she is always advocating for minorities and she has never acted "white" ---

These are really difficult times for all of us and I'm sure you just misunderstood. Frankly, I read all of Joanna's words and yours and I can find nothing offensive.

Namaste

Jo,
I hope you don't mind a coat tailer.............I second your above assessment.
As for the "fair & balanced" statement..I read that as; people who can't see the forest for the trees. They are so fcused in on being fair, they miss the point, but mean no harm.

Ophelia: heard on CNN that it was unusual to have a storm vere direction as it has.
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Hope it puffs itself out!
PQ

from poster online:

Did anyone watch CNN just now- Anderson Cooper showing the sections of New Orleans with NO water damage?

He has been driving through neighborhood after neighborhood where the residents are steadfastly suspicious of why THEY are being told they must evacuate.. the untouched houses have electricity & telephones..

The residents suspect something is going on ...

BTW- CNN has rec'd a restraining order declaring government was unconsitutionally preventing them from access to body removal efforts..

Here's an update on CNN:

(mediabistro.com)

Friday, Sep 09 Aftermath: CNN Wins Round One; Judge Grants Temporary Restraining Order

"CNN has obtained a restraining order to prevent emergency officials in the Hurricane Katrina disaster zone from preventing the media from covering the recovery of bodies," a message on CNN's internal wires system says.

"...U.S District Judge Keith Ellison granted a temporary restraining order Friday evening. A hearing has been scheduled Saturday morning to determine if the order should be made permanent."

Oh my God, Jo. WOW.

From CNN

Ophelia regains hurricane status
Forecasters: Storm could hit South Carolina early next week

Friday, September 9, 2005; Posted: 6:15 p.m. EDT (22:15 GMT)

Ophelia whipped up waves in Volusia County, Florida (1:30)

• National Hurricane Center
(CNN) -- Ophelia regained hurricane strength Friday evening, and the latest long-range forecast from the National Hurricane Center shows the storm making landfall either late Monday or early Tuesday along the South Carolina coast.

However, due to the the often erratic nature of hurricane movement, residents along the Atlantic coast from northern Florida to North Carolina were advised to closely monitor the storm because of the possibility it could strike their areas.

At 5 p.m. the center of the Ophelia was 175 miles east-northeast of Daytona Beach, Florida, and 220 miles south-southeast of Charleston, South Carolina. The storm, with sustained winds of 75 mph, was moving northeast at about 7 mph, making it a minimal Category 1 hurricane.

I think we Uranian types have gotten the scent of revolt.

You are right Garry.

This link didn't work upthread so I'm reposting it.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/fema.html

right, jm

Small window of opportunity here for us I believe.

I'm on top of it, man. Been waiting a long time. Holding, withholding, holding back my force.

Let it rip. And ripple.

It's the elastic effect snapping back.

Jo, That you so much for the reply. Yes, I would whole heartily agree with you on the history of anglos-americansin the Americas. However, when I start looking down on the their descendence, which doens't just include Bush but probably includes most of on this board, then I have a problem. By hating someone just becuase their ancestory you are starting the cycle of violence and hate over again and it needs to stop.

I am very, very active in fighting for my rights as a person. I know what it is like to be discriminated against (and I also know that I'm no the only one); however, I fight for change because racism and homophobia is on an individual level.

Case in point, while most people on this board are probably of European descent, I realize most on you are very liberal and not racist and homophobic like many of your ancestors. So, I'm not going to assume that you are a racist because of your skin color.

Another point I would like to mention is that if you study other peoples, you would see that they also fall short of their own ideals of peace and justice. I'm part "Creek" not because of discrimination from the white man, but because so many creeks were killed by the apache that they married into the french and Spanish farmers for protection. As the Apache began to kill of the tribes in the mid-West many tribes married with the Europeans (esp. the Cherokee and Creek).

So there is a case in point that violence against another group on Ameircan soil is not just a "white" thing.

Thanks for letting me write this.

From http://aaiusa.org weekly roundup bulletin.

What, In God’s Name Is Going On Here?
Last May, Al-Jazeera reported that Iraqi Patriach Emmanuel Delly of the Chaldean Catholic Church denounced American evangelical missionaries' attempts to convert Muslims to Christianity. In the spirit of 19th century missionaries who wooed the Chinese into conversion by providing them with food, today's evangelicals are apparently nurturing their own "rice bowl" movement by offering poor Muslim youth wads of cash and hot cars in exchange for Christianity. Such groups, of which 14 exist in one central Baghdad neighborhood alone, proudly display photos of young Iraqi Muslims in cars to their US counterparts, presenting them as evidence of how many Muslims have converted. Let's just hope that Todd Johnson, of the Gordon-Conwell Seminary in Massachusetts was right, when he said, "They're mostly aid workers, I don't think there is much evangelizing."

AND

The Mother Of All Double Standards
If you're an Israeli Arab victim of Jewish extremist terror, you will have a hard time obtaining the kind of compensation Israeli Jewish victims of Arab terrorism receive. Why? Because, according to a report in The New Standard, Israeli law dictates that Jewish victims and their families can receive compensation only if the attacks are perpetrated by parties "hostile" to the state of Israel. Although Eden Natan-Zada, the Israeli soldier who last month went AWOL and shot four Israeli Arabs dead on a bus, was a follower of the late Rabbi Meir Kahane group, and Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon denounced the attack as "a despicable act by a bloodthirsty terrorist," the Israeli defense ministry ruled that those killed were not victims of terror, because Zada was Jewish. But the victims' families will receive an undisclosed lump sum from the Israeli government. The Guardian Unlimited quoted Arab Knesset member Mohammed Barakeh as stating, "The decision raises a strong of scent of racism, which distinguishes between a Jewish terrorist and an Arab terrorist." Barakeh's remark rings painfully true, considering that past Israeli courts have deemed Arab attackers who acted alone as terrorists.

Trav: "P.S. Many of us minorities also speak English and I also know the definition of "obtuse" - "thick, imperceptive, not to keen".

You don't know my race(s) that I know of, Trav... I've just never felt the need to make it known over & over again. Can't see any point to it. Btw, I'm in ready support of folks looking up words in a good dictionary as you might've done on the word "obtuse." This is a most positive thing to do imo. Oh... one little thing, fellow poster... the "to" in "...not to keen" is actually "too." Hope you don't mind me helping out... I almost always love to be of assistance. ;O)

Hallooo, Jo!! Thank you for the support, dear Seesta... something I almost always appreciate! ...like from Trav.

* Power to the victims of New Orleans - With the poor gone, developers are planning to gentrify the city

Naomi Klein
Friday September 9, 2005
The Guardian

On Sept 4, six days after Katrina hit, I saw the first glimmer of hope. "The people of New Orleans will not go quietly into the night, scattering across this country to become homeless in countless other cities while federal relief funds are funnelled into rebuilding casinos, hotels, chemical plants. We will not stand idly by while this disaster is used as an opportunity to replace our homes with newly built mansions and condos in a gentrified New Orleans." ...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1565939,00.html

Did someone mention the dirty underbelly of America?

UPI

"Police Trapped Thousands in New Orleans "
http://www.cadenhead.org/workbench/news/2748

As the situation grew steadily worse in New Orleans last week, you might have wondered why people didn't just leave on foot. The Louisiana Superdome is less than two miles from a bridge that leads over the Mississippi River out of the city.

The answer: Any crowd that tried to do so was met by suburban police, some of whom fired guns to disperse the group and seized their water.

Around 500 people stuck in downtown New Orleans after the storm banded together for self-preservation, making sure the oldest and youngest among them were taken care of before looking after their own needs.

Two San Francisco paramedics who were staying in the French Quarter for a convention have written a first-hand account that describes their appalling treatment at the hands of Louisiana police, a story confirmed today by the San Francisco Chronicle, UPI, and St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

When buses charted by the group to escape New Orleans never showed up, they camped out beside a police command center on Canal Street, believing it was the best place to get aid, protection, and information. They were told they could not stay there and should leave the city on foot over Highway 90, which crosses the Mississippi River from New Orleans to the suburb of Gretna, a city of 17,500 people.

Running out of food and water, they walked to the bridge, growing in number to around 800 people as word spread of a safe way out:

As we approached the bridge, armed Gretna sheriffs formed a line across the foot of the bridge. Before we were close enough to speak, they began firing their weapons over our heads. This sent the crowd fleeing in various directions. As the crowd scattered and dissipated, a few of us inched forward and managed to engage some of the sheriffs in conversation. We told them of our conversation with the police commander and of the commander's assurances. The sheriffs informed us there were no buses waiting. The commander had lied to us to get us to move.

We questioned why we couldn't cross the bridge anyway, especially as there was little traffic on the 6-lane highway. They responded that the West Bank was not going to become New Orleans and there would be no Superdomes in their City.

In an interview with UPI, Gretna Police Chief Arthur Lawson confirmed that his department shut down the bridge to pedestrians: "If we had opened the bridge, our city would have looked like New Orleans does now: looted, burned and pillaged."

The increasingly desperate group set up camp on the New Orleans side of the bridge, where they were seen by several media outlets, until they were chased off at gunpoint by Gretna police:

Reduced to a small group of 8 people, in the dark, we sought refuge in an abandoned school bus, under the freeway on Cilo Street. We were hiding from possible criminal elements but equally and definitely, we were hiding from the police and sheriffs with their martial law, curfew and shoot-to-kill policies.

The paramedics believe that race played a factor in the decision to block evacuees on foot. Gretna's population is 56 percent white and 36 percent black, according to the 2000 U.S. Census."

From a blogger on Smirking Chimp, under the Scott Ritter artical.
Who is Michael Chertoff? Whose interests does he represent?

If you examine his role in the post- 9/11 time frame through until today, you will see that he is working for someone other than you.

For all of those Coincidence Theorists out there...here's one for you.

Popular Mechanics put out a story about a year ago in which they debunked all of the Conspiracy Theories surrounding 9/11.

Guess who wrote the article...

Benjamin Chertoff...Michael's cousin.

Can you say coverup?

Check out this blog and these comments on the PM site:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blog/science/1249302.html

On February 15, 2005, Michael Chertoff, an apparent dual national with Israeli roots, was sworn in as the second Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). The new "homeland security czar," who oversees the U.S. Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services, seems to be hiding his own dual-national status – with the cooperation of the controlled press.

During the period before and after the terror attacks of September 11, 2001, Chertoff headed the criminal division at the Department of Justice where he "helped trace the 9/11 terrorist attacks to the al-Qaida network."

http://smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=22676&mode=&order=0
PQ

Just saw a news clip on the BBC: FEMA's Brown has been replaced as the NO emergency authority and moved to an "administrative" position. The BBC commentator then said - 'in other words, if there happens to be another national emergency, he's the guy that would be in charge?'

Pat QofP,

I posted about him prior to his hearings... I felt he was almost as bad a choice as Negroponte.

He was Ashcroft's right hand and the two together polished up and helped to push the Patriot Act. That is my problem with him.

He is Jewish, but I don't understand the comments in Smirking Chimp about dual citizenship to Israeli. He was born in New Jersey.

Before joining the Bush Administration, Chertoff was a Partner in the law firm of Latham & Watkins. From 1994 to 1996, he served as Special Counsel for the U.S. Senate Whitewater Committee.

Prior to that, Chertoff spent more than a decade as a federal prosecutor, including service as U.S. Attorney for the District of New Jersey, First Assistant U.S. Attorney for the District of New Jersey, and Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York. As United States Attorney, Chertoff investigated and prosecuted several significant cases of political corruption, organized crime, and corporate fraud.

Sally's comments upthread about Brown's chart speak of "George Bush, all his key people have this cruel streak running though them, I mean really cruel, whips and chains type of cruel. Makes me wonder what kind of operation is being run at the WH, and what on earth they have in mind."

Political analyst Al Martin asks -- "So what does civilian control of the Pentagon mean?"

"Chertoff... is attempting to further circumvent Posse Comitatus. He is trying to gain control of law enforcement to ensure that the Department of Homeland Security, which will include the Office of Internal Security, the Office of Political Security, and other agencies to be created after Posse Comitatus is overturned, will have a civilian mechanism to control a militarized law enforcement because they don’t want the military to control it.

"This is what’s going to happen when Posse Comitatus is overturned, Martin continues. "They still want civilian control, and you notice where that control lies. Control lies in these skeleton organizations that would become fully effective upon the overturning of Posse Comitatus."

"The reason this is being done is because they don’t trust the military. They want to have the ability to politicize law enforcement, to use a post-Posse Comitatus, militarized, domestic law enforcement for political purposes.

"This, in essence, will be a federal militarized police, and they want the ability to use it for political purposes. That’s why they want the control of a militarized police to remain, not simply in civilian hands, but to be in the hands of former Bushonian cabalists, like Porter Goss, current head of the CIA and John Negroponte, head of the new National Intelligence Directorate. These are people who have run illegal covert operations during Bushonian regimes in the past, who acted to cover up Bushonian involvement, and who also selected and went after those who knew too much.

"This new scheme of civilian Homeland Security control of the military is very similar to the Gestapo during Nazi Germany..."

Lovely, Jo.

But I still don't think that these guys are going to know anything remotely similar to kind of success here that they've dreamed of. The PNAC plan in Iraq and the Middle East? In an acronym: FUBARed. There cannot now, nor will there ever be a US Empire. Zinn is dead on. Iraq has proved that we are at our absolute limits of expansion, and the whole world is now watching us stumble and trip over the hubris of fools. There will not be a "New American Century" as the NeoCons dream of it.

And quite frankly, I do not think that there is going to be enough of a military left between Iraq and New Orleans now to enforce much of anything on a local level. As far as federalizing police goes, take a look at how thin police enforcement is in most of our cities. In big cities? L.A. is a mess.

All I can say at this point is, bring it on. The fate of the entire Bush family cabal has already been sealed by their own delusional hubris. Even this corrupt regime will come tumbling down, if not by Americans themselves, then surely by a world finally grown too tired of their destructive, psychopathic madness.

What a lovely message NEO... & you may just be right. Miss Sally's piece above: "One, two, three, step." ;O)

Oh... & bushie mercenaries thugs swarming in the storm-racked South pretending to be "law enforcement" have started going about confiscating guns from them good ol' 1st Amendment boyz. NRA says they will be monitoring the situation. Hahahahahaaaaaa!!!!

Yes Joanna, "to" should be "too". Gracias.

The reason I mention my race is because you have made an indictment of anglo-americans when you wrote "Anglo-ameriCOs have a deeply-ingrained habit of interring OTHER people, then robbing them... the Japanese-Americans, for instance. Not only were they unwillingly interred, all their property was confiscated."

When I made the observation that "I think that all of us have this habit. Anglo-Americans are no different from others. I love my hispanic-indian heritage, but we do the same. It's just human nature." YOu wrote back "NO", as if you somehow you know how a minority thinks.

Joanna, maybe this wasn't your intent, but I felt like you were basically saying I don't know my own heritage. I DO know for a fact that we hispanic (mestizos) have done this ourselves because I am a part of that culture.

It would be like me talking for you as a woman, as if me being a man makes me an expert on "femaleness" in America.

So very plutonian... here we go!

* Gulf War III: Why is Blackwater USA patrolling New Orleans with M-16s?

How do you know that we're finally taking the situation in NOLA seriously? We're sending in the private mercenaries--the very same we've called on to do the dirty work in Iraq. Reports are beginning to surface that NOLA & environs are crawling with armed private commandos from Blackwater USA, the N Carolina-based security firm that has risen to prominence with its highly visible role in Iraq. The slide show at the top of this entry comes from their Web site.

A Georgia-based doctor & military vet who blogs under the name Otter has been down in the disaster zone the last few days, & he has seen the private Blackwater security forces everywhere. He wrote yesterday from a police precinct house in NOLA:

Blackwater Security is here--clean, well-equipped, & armed to the teeth.

The NYTimes has seen them too: No ["civilians"] in NOLA WILL BE ALLOWED to carry pistols, shotguns or other firearms, said P Edwin Compass III, the superintendent of police. "Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons," he said.

But that order apparently does not apply to 100s of security guards hired by businesses & some wealthy individuals to protect property. The guards, employees of private security companies like Blackwater, openly carry M-16's & other assault rifles. Mr Compass said that he was aware of the private guards, but that the police had no plans to make THEM give up their weapons. ... http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/002349.html

Oh, okay, Trav... I can see that you will have the last word... must be the anglo-male part of you. (TaHA!!)

Anyway, I'll bet everyone's tired of the subject... I know I am... & will not respond any more on the subject.

I also oneself something would want to find out on this theme. Very attentively I will read every post.
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