Dearest Morgana! I actually was hoping today you would post a New Moon report and you did not disappoint!! Thank you, thank you.

Laurie We the People are tough cookies. My Dad told me to never ever count of the Fed's he was a WW2 vet and lived through the depression and knew the taste of prejudice as mixed American/Native American. We have a good spirit as a People and we all will do all we can to able these folks get back on their feet, but it all boils down to neighbor helping neighbor, and those who can will. I expect the email boxs of every congress person should be full. That any more acts of agression by the Christian Right Republicans should be shouted down, recall the tax cuts, recall the troops, excuse me, estate tax? And what is this that the oil companies are ranking in the top 10 highest earnings companies world wide, off whose back I might ask?

The new bankruptcy Laws must be rescinded, frozen stopped. These people should not be penalized any further.

Meanwhile they have until early Oct. before the new bankruptcy law kicks in.
I'm not familiar with the procedure.....but could we help them file/publicise the need to file, ASAP. That would certainly have a major impact on some Corporations!! I would gain satisfaction for all the intrusive calls & mail from the credit card companies I get, trying to lure me into debt!
Another wonderful article Morgana. The shades and layers of insight, are like a wonderful fugue wending their way through this website!
Thank you
PQ

Pat this site helps us keep our sanity especially living in the times that we do. I mentioned recently that CNN was sending a worldwide SOS and the our government has/is failed to react and I was told Condi Rice suggested such as Bush said we don't need anyone, and the way it looked the Administration wouldn't be asking.
I missed it. But wow.

I just saw that a boy who rescued 100 people and drove them to HOuston has been arrested. That boy is hero. Lawyers defend. Clergy get down to that police station and get that hero to safety from his insane government. bjt

Hi Morgana,
I don't find much time anymore to visit this site, but decided to drop by to see what the feedback was concerning hurricane K. I now live in St. Petersburg, FL, and I thank my lucky stars that we were passed by.

I just read your article "Big Mama on the Big Easy", and you were dead on. It's amazing how many of the people who responded with their comments to that article were also so accurate in their predictions about the hurricane - almost prophetic! As usual, our fearless leader was missing in action. Seems like he's always running and hiding in times of crisis. I was hoping some of the suffering would have found their way to Crawford, and camped out on his ranch. It took Bush 4 days to get from Texas to Louisiana, and he looked like such a joke, standing there with his usual bravado, passing the buck. I thought he was supposed to be in charge of the very Federal response that he was criticising! The man has no shame. I got a chuckle from one of the comments by kiwijeanie -
"The only up-side to this disaster is that it will upstage george's plan for this year's 9/11 anniversary fear-fest." Hehhehheh.

Betsy, just to say that this hero, this young kid, actually stole a bus to get people out. My god, thank you, young kid, thank you. He was extremely heroic. He was arrested because the bus did not belong to him. There will be a great outrage if they touch a hair on his head. There was a thread on DailyKos but now I can't find it. This very young man stole a bus, picked up people and got them to safety and turned around and did it again.

Wonderful article, Morgana. As usual, you tap right into our consciences and emotions. Will this never end?

about the kid with the bus; right now there are worse things than going to jail. at least they'll
feed him in there and let him take baths!
(sorry, i couldn't resist)

That's very true Mimi, yes. But I predict a movie being produced about a young lad (was he 16 or 17?) taking charge to drive 100 people out of danger. What do ya think?? It would be intriguing as well as a tear-jerker. hay.

The week Bush failed America
New Orleans deserved better

Leader
Sunday September 4, 2005

Observer

When the city of New Orleans was inundated following Katrina, the first response was shock. It was immediately followed by the overwhelming desire to help the victims.
But as the urgency of people's compassion has seemed not to be matched by that of their leaders, another powerful emotion has come to the fore: anger.

It was never within President Bush's power to stop the Gulf of Mexico from rising up and battering Louisiana, but it was his duty to respond wholeheartedly once the scale of the catastrophe became clear. It was also possible to anticipate how devastating an effect Katrina would have. There was ample warning. Low-slung between Lake Pontchartrain and the Mississippi river, New Orleans was exceptionally vulnerable to flooding following a hurricane. Precisely such a scenario was cited (in 2001 by the Federal Emergency Management Agency) as one of the most likely disasters to hit the United States, along with an earthquake in San Francisco and a terrorist attack on New York.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5277392-102276,00.html

One of my favorites: Camille Paglia

http://comment.independent.co.uk/commentators/article309925.ece

This dyed-in-the-wool Repug has now declared the wheels have come off the Smirky&Co bus (or whatever their fantastical conveyance is called).
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/04/opinion/04brooks.html?ei=5090&en=37eeb8918dbb6e2e&ex=1283486400&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print

By the way, where is Cheney during all of this? Still hiding in his bunker? Instead of comandeering the tired and unwell Clinton to help him out every time a crisis arises, what about delegating some duties to Cheney? He is the Vice-President, isn't he?

Public outrage as well as the young man was in the right to do as he did.

"1) Greater harm - ie, the harm you sought to avoid is greater than the harm you caused. Whatever.

No available alternative that would have been less bad - I'd love to see a prosecutor try to hang his hat on this one. Defense exhibit 1: Audio recording of Ray Nagin's radio interview.

Imminence - harm must be imminent. Again, whatever.

Situation not caused by defendant - his name isn't Katrina, is it?

Nature of harm if action not taken - would been pretty f*****g bad."

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2005/9/2/19856/62219/19#19

September 4, 2005
Falluja Floods the Superdome
By FRANK RICH
AS the levees cracked open and ushered hell into New Orleans on Tuesday, President Bush once again chose to fly away from Washington, not toward it, while disaster struck. We can all enumerate the many differences between a natural catastrophe and a terrorist attack. But character doesn't change: it is immutable, and it is destiny.

As always, the president's first priority, the one that sped him from Crawford toward California, was saving himself: he had to combat the flood of record-low poll numbers that was as uncontrollable as the surging of Lake Pontchartrain. It was time, therefore, for another disingenuous pep talk, in which he would exploit the cataclysm that defined his first term, 9/11, even at the price of failing to recognize the emerging fiasco likely to engulf Term 2.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/04/opinion/04rich.html?pagewanted=print

I hope I am wrong, but I have this awful feeling that the US will face another major natural or man-made disaster. I heard that another hurricane maybe coming to towards the Gulf. I have a bad feeling about this. Also read that Bush is going back to Louisiana on Monday. I hope U'm wrong, but does anyone else see the potential that he is in physical danger?

Just tried to post this, but couldn't. If it turns out to be a dupe, so sowwy!
Does fed response to Katrina make you concerned about response to a terra-ist attack?
http://www.cnn.com/

Crystal, here's Dickie:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4611121&mesg_id=4611121

Rehnquist has died. Now what?

There's going to be a nasty fight. Roberts will be a sideshow.

Wow, more 9th House upset. Wow! Scalia ?

I just read that Mississippi is still suffering and has not received any aide at all. Mostly, these are poor whites that live in trailers.

This is just another example of the admin's lack of concern for the poor and downtrodden.

I was sent an email from a friend (she didn't write it, she only sent it) saying 'if you really want to help the people of NO"....and it made me so angry, and that anger has to do with constantly being called negative by people who would prefer to live in a cocoon of positive vibes rather than DO anything. It also insults Michael Moore but doesn't refer to him by name, but by 'the famous know it all'....and everyone I know has sent me that famous know it all's column and it was posted here...but this woman still is insufferable. Send positive vibes to the government, send positive vibes to the survivors....oh my god, and then I realized I was trying to fit my Cassandra shit kicker personality into a space that doesn't include my job description!

Give me Camille Paglia instead......!

If you tried to get this story published as a fiction, the editor would turn you down flat!
Where did you see that Shy? I was just on the CNN website.

Off topic. There's a red shiney object in the sky; the South east. It was just over the treetops @ 10:00 pm now higher in the sky. Any one know what it is? It's bigger than MARS, But that color. I used to be up on astronomy but have lost track over the last 10 years.............too tired to look at the reference books.

PQ

OMG, just when you think it can't get any more disgusting......Rehnquist was no prize and won't be remembered for much more than presiding over the Clinton skewering, but this is just even worse timing.

Judi G
The other face of the, chain prayer I got yesterday,
PQ

Pat QOP, Go here.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

Raw Story says Rehnquist is dead....

Morgana, read Pat QOP's description of your article. I agree.

And for the rest on Astroworld, we knew it was going to be a "hot" fall. Renquist's death - I guess this kicks up the heat.

Gallon of regular gas right outside of Princeton at $3.19 per gallon.

What ever happened to the drive 55 miles per hour to conserve on gasoline? We can't all use bikes.

Well folks, here is more....my very own daughter (finally starting to radicalize) took the time to look up the disasters (three) which were predicted in the report to FEMA back in 2001....NY's terrorist attack, NOLA's hurricane/flooding and....SF having a massive earthquake.

Sept isn't over yet....

whatdoyouthink, Morgana?

americablog has a very interesting post up right now from "Rob" at 11:43:00. Maybe that's the way to go [Rehnquist].

Have you seen the front page of Raw Story? OMG.....this is definitely a new moon alright....it is reaching, sorry for the analogy, flood tide stage all over the country, not just NOLA and Biloxi and Miss....it is the REAL crapola wave, not just the hacking crapola wave.

Excuse me, I'm looking for the Ativan....

Shylurker, a url? When I write it in the address line I get a domaine storage web site.

Sorry, Judi G. Here you go--and do go quickly, for he moves stuff really fast over there.
http://www.americablog.org/

Travieso - Before the storm, the Weather Channel was talking with two old fisherman on Grand Isle about how they knew they were going to have a Hurricane. They said there are no acorns on the oak trees. My oak here in Houston does not have any acorns. Usually they are starting to grow. We have not had a hurricane here since Alicia. That was 22 years ago. We are due for one. After what happened with Alison in 2000, we would be screwed.

Grand Isle is gone.

There is a lot of sadness in this city right now. There are thousands of people here from La and Miss that have filled up the hotels across the area. Many have nothing to return to and they are running out of money. A lot of them will be added to the many centers that are open here. Quite possibly half of the population of the N.O., Slidell, and Biloxi area. No one really knows at this time. We do not need another hurricane anywhere on the gulf coast.

Bhakti,

In the last thread you said something to the effect of "Thank you New Orleans, the city that made us free!"

This is one of the most awesomely right on statements ever. As totally horrifying as it is to watch all this stark absolute horror and unnecessary loss of life, the bottom line is that the tide has now suddenly turned in the most fundamental way imaginable, and America as we now see it with all the waste, destruction, violence, fascistic tendencies, betrayal of ideals, totally Stalinist msm, hypocricy, greed, delusion, hubris, etc. will now one way or another begin to be torn down, so that the rebuilding process can finally begin.

Shylurker, you are so correct about David Brooks: that neo-con lite former totally delusional asshole, (except for saying the economy and our moral values are still doing well) absolutely eviscerated Bushco in his editorial today, as 90% of the other so called 'conservative' pundits have done.

The best is that in today's Wash Post, one of the main headlines tells us that "Bush is now shifting blame to state and local authorities" (!!!) at the same time that the news comes out that the Red Cross was never allowed into NO, and that the U.S. has thus far NOT accepted ANY help from any other country!! The only problem for Bushco now (and by the way where did they find this @#$^%$* loser Chertoff?!) is that NOBODY is buying their irreparably damaged goods anymore.

Travieso,

This is for You. Everyone, beware of bad language.

http://www.kolumbus.fi/jon.haglund/wav/mr_criminal.wav

September 4, 2005
Do You Know What It Means to Lose New Orleans?
By ANNE RICE
La Jolla, Calif.

WHAT do people really know about New Orleans?

Do they take away with them an awareness that it has always been not only a great white metropolis but also a great black city, a city where African-Americans have come together again and again to form the strongest African-American culture in the land?

The first literary magazine ever published in Louisiana was the work of black men, French-speaking poets and writers who brought together their work in three issues of a little book called L'Album Littéraire. That was in the 1840's, and by that time the city had a prosperous class of free black artisans, sculptors, businessmen, property owners, skilled laborers in all fields. Thousands of slaves lived on their own in the city, too, making a living at various jobs, and sending home a few dollars to their owners in the country at the end of the month.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/04/opinion/04rice.html?oref=login&pagewanted=print

September 4, 2005
New Orleans Left to the Dead and Dying
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 7:20 a.m. ET

NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- As the last weary refugees from the Superdome and convention center headed to shelters, New Orleans drew closer to dealing with its dead, a gruesome landscape of corpses expected to number in the thousands.

No one knows how many people were killed by Hurricane Katrina and how many more succumbed waiting to be rescued. But the bodies are everywhere: hidden in attics, floating in the ruined city, crumpled in wheelchairs, abandoned on highways.

Echoing the mayor's prediction, Gov. Kathleen Blanco said Saturday she expected the death toll to reach the thousands. And Craig Vanderwagen, rear admiral of the U.S. Public Health Service, said one morgue alone, at a St. Gabriel prison, expected 1,000 to 2,000 bodies.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Hurricane-Katrina.html?pagewanted=print

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/04/national/nationalspecial/04fema.html?pagewanted=print

September 4, 2005
Homeland Security Chief Defends Federal Response
By ERIC LIPTON and SCOTT SHANE
WASHINGTON, Sept. 3 - Michael Chertoff, secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, gave his most detailed explanation to date for the troubled federal response to Hurricane Katrina on Saturday, saying the storm was particularly unpredictable and that the government had not expected large sections of the levees protecting New Orleans to fail.

Mr. Chertoff also expressed confidence in Michael D. Brown, a Homeland Security undersecretary and the Federal Emergency Management Agency director, who has coordinated federal efforts at the scene.

Mr. Brown has come under fire from critics of the federal government's hurricane response, who describe him as a political appointee who had no disaster experience before joining FEMA.

Random thoughts buzzing through my head during the Katrina crisis:
GDubya's essential nature is that of a COWARD. His superior officer in those so-called forged papers from National Guard days said that he was afraid to fly and fear is his first response to *every* crisis.
The media is finally, finally, finally standing up for the truth because this Katrina thing accurately described can't be tagged as unpatriotic, the goad that's kept them quiet since 9/11.
and finally:
The dead of New Orleans are martyrs whose sacrifice will be seen as the turning of the cravenness that has dominated our discourse since September, 2001. Actually, before that since fear has dominated much longer than we've recognized

Oh fooey! that was me above. bbuster

Looks like Bushco is trying to blame the Democratic Govenor and Mayor...it's their fault.

Me, I'm asking when we are going to see Bush's resignation. He is competent.

I want my congress person to tell me one more time she won't seek impeachment...won't divide the country. I think she may have been out of touch with the reality. Bushco has divided the Nation based on haves and have nots, on race, on religion.

INCOMPETENT. ...where's my coffee.. Bush is incompetent. Where are those Rhode Scholars ?

Morgana, this is potent. Many have had their eyes opened by Katrina. (Wonder what kind of energy this derivitive name emanates?) As you so well state in your article, this will rock the American people to their core. Add to this mix, Rehnquist's presiding over Clinton's impeachment and the selection of a president. Now, he's dead. How much more symbolic can this be? The death of fundamentalism is underway. I'm wondering whether what other ungodly policies will be swept away under the rule of Pluto?

karen

I had to post this. It's only too ludicrous. I'll be calling this company. I hope all you Astroworlders do too. karen

TO ALL STANDARD MORTGAGE CORPORATION EMPLOYEES:

PLEASE LET US KNOW IF YOU AND YOUR FAMILY ARE OK, IF YOU HAVE A PHONE # OR ACCESS TO EMAIL AND WHERE YOU CAN BE CONTACTED.
For further information, employees of Standard Mortgage Corporation, please click here.

TO ALL STANDARD MORTGAGE CORPORATION CUSTOMERS:

OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS GO OUT TO ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED A LOSS IN THIS TERRIBLE CATASTROPHE.

AS MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW, MOST OF US AT STANDARD MORTGAGE ARE RESIDENTS OF THE GREATER NEW ORLEANS AREA AND WE PERSONALLY KNOW AND FEEL YOUR PAIN AND LOSS.

WE PRAY THAT ALL OF YOU AND YOUR LOVED ONES ARE SAFE AND SECURE WHEREVER YOU MAY BE.

IF YOU NEED TO CONTACT US, PLEASE DO SO AT OUR TOLL-FREE PHONE # 1-800-448-4190. PLEASE BE PATIENT IF YOU HAVE DIFFICULTY GETTING THROUGH AS WE ARE TRYING TO HELP EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.

WE WILL BE POSTING ADDITIONAL PHONE NUMBERS BY TOMORROW FOR FEMA, VARIOUS INSURANCE COMPANIES, ETC. PLEASE CHECK BACK.

WE ASK THAT ALL PAYMENTS BE SENT TO US, AS YOU WOULD NORMALLY DO, TO THE FOLLOWING ADDRESS:

STANDARD MORTGAGE CORPORATION
P.O. BOX 53426
NEW ORLEANS , LA 70153-3426

WITH THE GRACE OF GOD AND THE SUPPORT OF OUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY, WE WILL ALL GET THROUGH THIS UNBELIEVABLE ORDEAL,

THE MANAGEMENT AND STAFF OF STANDARD MORTGAGE CORPORATION

http://www.stanmor.com/

During the last Presidential campaign, the fellow that was the Director of FEMA during the Clinton administration came to speak to Democrats who were organizing issues of the Party. It was covered by C-Span. He told them that Bush's people had fired all the experienced FEMA people and replaced them with people with no experience. He also said that the Bush administration had been dismantling FEMA to the point that Americans were being seriously endangered. There were several times I saw tears in his eyes. He was resigned, and depressed. He actually said everything they had worked so hard to build was gone.

I should clarify. Some FEMA employees and Directors were fired. Some were pushed out, and some quit in frustration. The brains of FEMA were gone.

On CBS right now, they are saying the the highest winds to hit NO were 100mph, a category 2 hurricane. The levy should have held, but didn't, it faile, and it was most likely on overcome by water. The corp of engineers will have lots of questions to answer.

That sould have read, "not" overcome by water.

Cartoon vignettes from around the world (bush/katrina)

http://www.corriere.it/gallery/Esteri/vuoto.shtml?2005/08_Agosto/katrina/10&1

sorry, much too early

Posted on Salon:

"On the national CBS morning show, a USAF Col. Joe Calahan, commanding officer of the 367th Air Rescue Wing (if I got the unit designator correct; it may have been 347th), stationed at Moody AFB in Georgia, mentioned in passing that his unit had begun operating in Louisiana/Mississippi on "Tuesday" ... this would have been, IIRC, two days AFTER the storm hit?

These air rescue units are the military's combat search and rescue forces, whose wartime role is to rescue downed US pilots from behind enemy lines (among others); these are some of the elite air rescue personnel in the world, they are stationed in Georgia, an hour or so flight time away from the Gulf Coast, and they were not operational in the disaster area until 48 hours after the storm?

Do the words "dereliction of duty" mean ANYTHING to ANYONE in this Administration?"

To your query: "Many have had their eyes opened by Katrina. (Wonder what kind of energy this derivitive name emanates?)
Katrina- "each of the two"
Her Swedish Nanmsdag is 25 November
She arrived as Hel (the healing complete, union of the two halves, Truth) was turning direct on 29 degrees Sagittarius. 29 Sag, the winter solstice point the gate between the two halves light / dark the joining moment.
Seems pretty appropriately named to me...
tseka

NYT Editorial, Sunday

"Judge Roberts's record as a judge is thin, and much of his legal career occurred behind the scenes. The Bush administration has refused to hand over many of the documents he prepared as a government lawyer, which would shed light on his legal thinking. Inexplicably, at least one file of documents that could have helped clarify his views on affirmative action went missing after being reviewed by Bush administration lawyers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/04/opinion/04sun1.html

...................

From Science Now:

A 1985 memo indicates that Supreme Court nominee John Roberts counseled President Ronald Reagan to leave open the question of whether AIDS can be transmitted through casual contact. Roberts wrote the memo, which was spotlighted this week by Representative Henry Waxman (D-CA), while serving as an associate counsel at the Reagan White House. In it, he criticized briefing points to be discussed in an upcoming presidential press conference on whether children with AIDS might spread the disease to their classmates

................

Karen farrout
my last post was writen in reply to you i had some problems with posting...

Pat,
they are implying the levees did not fail because of the storm or because of water???? This is almost to much to take this morning
tseka

Pluto will be at 29 Sag on election day '08.

tseka, yes. It was not a 4 or even a 3, it was a 2. The levy was suppose to hold up to a 3, but it didn't. One of the locals said that a barge hit the levy some time ago and they knew it was dangerous, but nothing was done about it. Funds cut and work not approved.

God bless America....

Pat POQ, I think the red object you saw in the SE must be Fomalhaut.

Mars is higher in the East right now and would look smaller.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/050622_fomalhaut.html

Hope this link works. Picture is red. Scientists think a Saturn-sized planet must be orbiting the star.

http://tinyurl.com/cgt7q

In 2001 that described the very situation that was unfolding) but because I knew that a large-scale engineering plan called Coast 2050 — developed in 1998

My daughter has volunteered to go to Mississippi and is both a registered nurse but also is highly experienced in shelter work as she opens them here in Florida.

She has not been called. They have not told her where to go.

There where 500 air boat and ctians ready to go the first of the week. This is the best kind of boat because they use them in the swamp and they will run in extreamly shallow water to deep water. They probably hold 10 or so people. There is no propellor to get hung up in the wires etc. Fema would not let them come because they did not have a contract, but they where not asking for a dime. And guys who have these boats are tought guys used to alagators and snakes, etc. And most are hunters and could defend themselves easily. And with a stroke of a pen any red tape problems could have been solved by Bush.

They would have had all the people rescued by Thursday latest. By now they would have have collected the bodies while they can still be identified.

As the stories unfold it is beginning to look more and more like the fed gov was not incompetent but purposefully not responding...why might that be?

Tseka

Fomalhaut: 3 Pices. One of the Royal Stars of Persia. A watcher. Deals with great ideals and dreams. Sincere effort and integrity bring great gain, corruption and dishonesty bring ruin and terrible conseqences.

The very same thing happened with the Forest Service, Pat C, as did FEMA &, no doubt, with every other govt service.

It's the repigs way of cutting back government. They only make cuts that benefit their myopic view of the world.

Some history posted on Salon:

Posted on Salon:

Jo, I'm glad you recall the reference being in the original article. I don't recall when I first read that CoCR timeline. I think it was a couple of years ago. What I'm now wondering is did my email somehow trouble (i.e. spook) Bayles (or his publisher), and a request followed for an edit of the article on the reprint site.

John, I didn't know the reference had been edited out until last night when I searched to cite it for my post. I think what I'll do first is order that issue directly from the newspaper offices (which I meant to do back then) so I'll have an original copy. Then I'll proceed with contact from there. If they don't have a copy I may purchase, perhaps a Salon TT member in or near Sarasota can look it up in the office archives of the Herald-Tribune, and print and send a copy to me via snail mail.

IT GETS WEIRDER: I just looked up the email on my upstairs desktop. Here is the text of my email to Bayles - note that the wording of the quote is NOW slightly different than the quote I asked him about! It not only mentions the missiles, but also mentions snipers AND the Coast Guard!

Dear Mr. Bayles,

I am writing to confirm that you authored a story attributed to you at http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/timeline/2002/sarasotaheraldtribune091002.html and titled The Day Before Everything Changed, President Bush Touched Locals' Lives. This story is referenced as being published in the Sarasota-Herald Tribune on September 10, 2002, and is referenced in the Center for Cooperative Research 9/11 timeline at http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&timeperiod=1:00am%20Sept%2011%202001

The story link reflects that you wrote the following: "At the Colony, the Secret Service was getting everything secured for when the president arrived on Sept. 10. That included snipers and surface-to-air missiles on the roof and the Coast Guard patrolling just offshore."

Did you report it this way? If so, I would like to purchase a photocopy of that original article as published in the Sarasota Herald-Tribune (if possible, would you please let me know whom to contact about this?). Also, if you may do so without compromise, may I know your source for the surface-to-air missile placement information?

[sent September 2, 2004]
***********

He wrote back to say "yes" he had written it, and "yes" it was true, and his sources were the managers. Reply received September 03, 2004 2:24 PM

I just searched a potion of the original phrasing as noted in my email, and found only three results from http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&q=%22At+the+Colony%2C+the+Secret+Service+was+getting%22&btnG=Search . First one, Internal Error Page. Second, a link to the edited article. Third one, "Cannot find server."

But THANK GOD for the Wayback Machine!

Here's the archive of the timeline I read: http://web.archive.org/web/20040204223945/billstclair.com/911timeline/main/dayof911.html

and HERE is the archive of the original article! http://web.archive.org/web/20041015084858/www.billstclair.com/911timeline/2002/sarasotaheraldtribune091002.html

PLEASE, would a few of the members go copy this info NOW, both in screenshots and in print? And spread it around, please? I fear it might also someday disappear from the Wayback Machine archive.

Jean - I have signed up as a volunteer here in Houston and have not heard a word either. It seems that the ones being picked are the white bread rodeo association, churches and boy scouts. This is retarded! Only people who pat themselves on the back everytime they fart are being picked.

Anyone else noticed that gas prices have quit going up when the magical number of $3+ became a reality?

AND the Dems must grow balls real quik to counter the one, two punch of Renqhuist death. Two open spots are detrimental to those of us who believe in the seperation of church and state, freedom, and Row v Wade. Our rights will continue to erode, which will inevitably lead us into civil war again.

Here's an interesting point of view on Katrina from a"third world" perspective:
you'll have to copy and paste in your URL

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_opinion?id=99841345

Jm,

I don't know why that link was for me. I don't cuss. We can have a civil discourse without this language. Are you trying to tell me something?

Peace

What side are you on jm? Or are you a fence sitter reafy to fall to the side that benefits You the most?

Enough of this. No one should be taking shots here. It's disgusting on either side. There are a hell of a lot more important things going on. If you want to burn up keyboards do it to your Senator, your Congressman your Govenor.

Shylurker, that snippet on Cheney is priceless.

Grizzly, I am in total agreement with you about that "loser" Chertoff. Where the heck did they dig him up from? Ye gads!

* BEHIND THE CURTAIN.... g bush's photo-op tour of NO yesterday has apparently driven LA Sen Mary Landrieu over the edge. Today she blasted FEMA for its feeble response to Hurricane Katrina & bush for his phony, stage managed promises of action:

"I understand that the US Forest Service had water-tanker aircraft available to help douse the fires raging on our riverfront, but FEMA has yet to accept the aid. When Amtrak offered trains to evacuate significant numbers of victims — far more efficiently than buses — FEMA again dragged its feet. Offers of medicine, communications equip & other desperately needed items con't to flow in, only to be ignored by the agency.

"But perhaps the greatest disappointment stands at the breached 17th St levee. Touring this critical site yesterday with [rez], I saw what I believed to be a real & significant effort to get a handle on a major cause of this catastrophe. Flying over this critical spot again this morning, less than 24 hrs later, it became apparent that yesterday we witnessed a hastily prepared stage set for a [rez] photo op; & the desperately needed resources we saw were this morning reduced to a single, lonely piece of equip. The good/decent people of SE LA & the Gulf Coast — black/white, rich/poor, young/old — deserve far better from their natl govt."

I'm almost worn out with anger reading about the decimation of FEMA under bush's watch; the pathetic lack of response to Katrina from the fed govt; the relentless TV images of human degradation; & the endless excuses from [regime] hacks pretending that nobody cld have predicted Katrina's devastation. I realize that it's no diff from what's been happening in Iraq for the past 2 yrs, but Iraq is 8,000 mi away & the truth is that no matter how angry we are at what's going on there, it's to some extent an intellectual anger. What's happening in NO is like a punch in the gut.

What Jon Chait said about Iraq last wk is perhaps even truer about NO. The hallmarks of the bush/rove governing philosophy — partisan discipline, industry giveaways, & relentless lying — work pretty well as long as you can disguise the results of your policies. When you can't, it suddenly becomes obvious even to your supporters that the emperor has no clothes. It's taken 2 yrs for a lot of people to realize that about Iraq. It's taken less than a wk to realize it about New Orleans. ... http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2005_09/007042.php

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/news/politics/12554958.htm

Head of FEMA has an unlikely background

This may be the most damning indictment of FEMA -- caught on tape.

Everyone MUST see this interview between Tim Russert on Meet the Press and Jefferson Parish President Aaron Broussard. Broussard blasts FEMA and the federal govt's gross incompetence in handling the crisis in New Orleans. He says FEMA turned away 3 trucks sent by Wal-Mart that were loaded with WATER for the relief effort (Wal-Mart responsed faster than FEMA!), and even cut emergency lines to New Orleans! Russert asks if Gov. Blanco and the Mayor of NO should have done more, but Broussard says they were told by the feds to wait on support... which is only now just starting to show up. He thanks Gov. Blanco for sending in National Guard troops. At the end, he breaks down on camera while talking about an associate's very personal loss towards the end resulting from help that was promised, but never delivered. I'm still crying... it's outrageous!

Links here to the clip:
http://s28.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0PW4XZFWSF1D71GFBBTGED3R8W
(duplicate)
http://s30.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=39D44TQZEXE632ASCA2EEL0ZIL

The transcript -- you have to scroll about half way down the page. Would have posted it here, but it's too long:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9179790/

Definitely try to see the video if you can. The transcript does not do Broussard's presentation justice. It totally shreds to pieces whatever veneer of legitimacy the Bush administration might have had left in the eyes of anyone who sees this man's reaction.

DUers are reporting that it is in rotation on MSNBC, coming up every 15 minutes right now.

Also, they've posted the transcript of the Russert-Broussard interview. Here's a direct link:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4626138#4626192

Sorry Morgana, but my fangs and claws are razor sharp right now and ready to attack those on the other side. Being nice is over, it's part of what got our country in this mess to begin with. As NWA says...It's time we TAKE THE POWER BACK.

Don't be old, or sick, or poor in the new United States. They'll kill you.

In an earlier post where I provided the link to an article in a foreign newspaper, all you need to do is click on the link. When I first posted it, looked like you would have to copy and paste, but not the case. Thanks.

You got that right Pat C!

Was there not a prediction a while back that a woman would be *ush's undoing? When Cindy Sheenan came onto the scene it was thought that she was that woman. Maybe she is the physical woman and Katrina is the elemental woman (i.e., wind & water, Mother Earth, etc.)?

Words oF Wisdom:

Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.

Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.

Do not believe in anything because it is spoken or rumored by many.

Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.

Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.

But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason, and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.

The Buddha

I reccommend taking a look at the last three articles Nancy has posted on her blog.

http://www.starlightnews.com/

Hey guys, JM's on our side and always has been. Please realize that.

From Salon

http://gov.louisiana.gov/Disaster%20Relief%20Request.pdf

KOS- must read: 4-page S-O-S letter to president last Sunday fron LA State. PDF..

Very explicit. Never responded to by Bush, or Cheney or anyone at either FEMA or WH.

How can this be?

Urgent letter to US President from the US State of Louisiana

This letter was written on Sunday. The GOP is trying to spin that the local and state government hadn't asked for help.

Well, now we got the memo that proves that they did indeed ask for help. The President got an urgent appeal by the state of Louisiana urging him to allocate his resources to help the situation. Unfortunately, I guess eating cake and playing the guitar are far more important.

More unbelievable stuff (from americablog.org--go there to read the entire article):
"US Navy ship with food, water, doctors has been sitting off New Orleans for a week, no order to help
by John in DC - 9/04/2005 12:35:00 PM"

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/03/opinion/03dowd.html?incamp=article_popular_1

Shylurker - It's diabolical, like a Hollywood disaster film where someone is out to destroy the world. Except in our real life movie, no one comes to save anyone. Once again, Fiendco & Friends has proven they don't care about anything they don't like.

I think it's a case of gross disorganization and mismanagement. No one entity knew what they were supposed to do. That's what happens when you have TOO many organizations and directors. Where does the responsibililty of FEMA begin and end and how does it coordinate with Homeland Security (who might be slowing things down due to terror concerns)?

I've known for a long time that if a system is working, you don't change it. The * administration and Repub. Congress have made too many untested changes. I do have to say that I wish NOLA and the surrounded areas that needed help had half the infrastructure and effectiveness of NYC. There's no two ways around it -- the Northeast functions very effectively, especially NY. The South is used to being poorer and slower. The NOLA mayor and LA governor tried to do what they could to build an effective infrastructure but couldn't get it all done. For both of them, this is their first term.

====================================================
They're calling for this from the paleo-Conservative
Movement Also

This author was a Reagan Treasury official and is a prominent conservative Republican intellectual. He has a regular column. He rocks!!!
====================================================

IMPEACH BUSH NOW

by Paul Craig Roberts

September 3, 2005

The raison d’être of the Bush administration is war in the Middle East in order to protect America from terrorism and to insure America’s oil supply. On both counts the Bush administration has failed catastrophically.

Bush’s single-minded focus on the "war against terrorism" has compounded a natural disaster and turned it into the greatest calamity in American history. The US has lost its largest and most strategic port, thousands of lives, and 80% of one of America’s most historic cities is under water.

If terrorists had achieved this result, it would rank as the greatest terrorist success in history.

Prior to 911, the Federal Emergency Management Agency warned that New Orleans was a disaster waiting to happen. Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project (SELA) in order to protect the strategic port, the refineries, and the large population.

However, after 2003 the flow of funds to SELA were diverted to the war in Iraq. During 2004 and 2005 the New Orleans Times-Picayune published nine articles citing New Orleans’ loss of hurricane protection to the war in Iraq.

The on-the-scene mayor of New Orleans sees it differently: "They’re feeding the people a line of bull, and they are spinning and people are dying."

"They’re thinking small man, and this is a major, major deal."

It is a major deal, one that will affect Americans far beyond New Orleans. According to reports, 25% of our oil and gasoline comes through the New Orleans port and refineries, all out of commission. Needed goods cannot be imported, and exports will plummet, worsening an already disastrous deficit in the balance of trade.

The increased cost of gasoline will soak up consumers’ disposable incomes, with dire effects on consumer spending. US economic growth will be siphoned off into higher energy costs. American lives far from New Orleans will be adversely affected.

What will it take for Americans to reestablish accountability in their government? Bush has got away with lies and an illegal war of aggression, with outing CIA agents, with war crimes against Iraqi civilians, with the horrors of the Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo torture centers, and now with the destruction of New Orleans.

WELL, NOW THAT'S TWO: 1) BUCHANAN CALLS FOR IMPEACHMENT; 2) MAJOR CONSERVATIVE INTELLECTUAL CALLS FOR IMPEACHMENT.

WHERE ARE THE F'ING DEMOCRATS CALLING FOR IMPEACHMENT? Oh they don't want to offend anyone.
"Wouldn't be prudent"

Our loser ex President Clinton is doing photo ops with Poppy Bush. Wouldn't want to offend anyone.

Our resident fire-breather, Dean, is silent. Wouldn't want to offend anyone.

SPEAK OUT NOW OR STEP DOWN, CEASE CLAIMING TO BE A LEADER.

...and everyone here knows that right after bLiar joins the Carlyle Group board of directors, Clinton will be soon to follow.

Link to Paul Craig Roberts "Impeach Bush Now"
http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts120.html

Tseka

The answer to your question of why the Feds didn't act can be summed up in one word:

GENOCIDE!!

gotten by email, no URL...

The civilian corps of engineers employee that blew the whistle on Halliburton in Iraq was officially fired a week ago. The old head of USACE said it was political retribution, the new head says it was because of job performance. The old head used to criticize the administration for cutting budget, saying country would suffer and we need the money to maintain the waterways. New head is just rolling over like a good lapdog of the administration.

Mike....now what do you suppose could have gotten into these people in DC? I mean the Dems.....and the picture of Clinton standing there with #41....he looked like a ghost. It is Faustian.

more to read here...almost too mind-numbing to comprehend......

http://waynemadsenreport.com

it's just too bad that karma moves so slowly...

Here is a synopsis of what was said on the Sunday talk shows today. Interesting reading from Pundit Pap, the folks at American Politics Journal, who watch this stuff so people without the stomach for it (like me), don't have to.

Bush's latest sociopathic incompetence is too much even for some right-wingers.
http://www.americanpolitics.com/20050904punditpap.html

Just saw the Russert /Broussard clip on CNN too.
PQ

Troops "Met by despair, not violence":

http://fairuse.1accesshost.com/news3/latimes138.html

Also, be sure to visit dailykos. They have reprinted today's Times-Picayune editorial and it is stunning.

* Dutch viewer Frank Tiggelaar writes:

...There was a striking dicrepancy between the CNN Internatl report on the bush visit to the New Orleans disaster zone, yesterday, & reports of the same event by German TV.

ZDF News reported that [rez]'s visit was a completely staged event. Their crew witnessed how the open air food distribution point bush visited in front of the cameras was torn down immediately after [rez] & the herd of 'news people' had left & that others which were allegedly being set up were abandoned at the same time.

The people in the area were once again left to fend for themselves, said ZDF. ...
http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/002485.html

Great article morgana. Great comments everyone. The bait-n-switch /change-the-subject republican spin is coming fast and furious. I have had several chain emails in the past few days with old news "slam" tactics. Anti-war, anti-dem themes i.e. jane fonda vietnam & clinton era subjects.
It occurs to me that now would be the time for someone to photoshop this and distribute widely.
http://images.google.co.nz/imgres?imgurl=http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/bp/bp6.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/bp/bp6.htm&h=293&w=444&sz=12&tbnid=Yq3tGUzcWooJ:&tbnh=81&tbnw=124&hl=en&start=2&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522the%2Bbuck%2Bstops%2Bhere%2522%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG
Harry Truman's 'the buck stops here' sign - sitting on top of georgie's oval office desk.
Anyone know anyone that can do this?

I have to laugh. 'The buck stops here' sign...it sure does, right into his pocket. America welcome to Third World Status.

Our busy-busy-busy guy has also read David Brooks' article:
http://www.busybusybusy.com/

Forgive me, Travieso

That was meant as a pure gutteral emotional release. Not directed at anyone, but an attempt to channel the infinite rage that so many feel and that can't find expression in normal articulation. We just witnessed a horror beyond anything I've ever seen. We will learn how to react and process this by trial and error.

I think this is one of our most difficult lessons... is how to deal with the battle between expression and supression of the dangerous impulses that all humans feel.

Katrina said it, and it is humbling.

The snippet I posted was supposed to be a criminal facing his sentence but that is beyong description now too.

Our words both succeed and fail.

For me this is not about sides. It is far too cosmic to be brought down to that level. I've seen a lot but this went to my core being in an overwhelming and yet to be understood way.

The entire collective is to blame for the situation we find ourselves in. We are caught in a massive complicated web called life.
No matter what the politicians did or didn't do this was going to happen when you look at the incredible exactness of the planetary motions. I once tried with all my might to avoid an accident on a Uranus transit and you wouldn't believe how it came anyway faster than human capability.

We will of course spend years discussing how this happened. It is a momentous point in our history.

Justice and balance do exist in the universe. The most important thing I feel is what we do from here on out. And realize that we are all players in a mighty progression of events way beyond individual control.

Just one small point.

We are faced with abandonment and the realization that we are on our own. Our recent Saturn in Cancer transit brought us the ability to endure this and do the right thing. It's very difficult for a Cancer country to realize that the parent is gone. We have helped one another in an amazing way, almost like strong youths ready to take on the world. All sides are part of the family and squabbles are unavoidable, but sometimes self preservation will make us realize that we have to act as a unit and all members of the group have a job to do. Pluto is trying to get us to stop wanting to annihilate others just because they hold an ideology that is different from ours. I'm certain these thoughts are not as threatening as sometimes perceived. And they can be changed.

Give this all a minute as people are still in shock.

JM.. I've always always liked your posts, I like you, but honey....you are full of it. Come down to earth, and get out of bunnyland. You're too smart for that kind of rhetoric. You sound narcoticized...as all of my friends who espouse this particular line of thought. It is inappropriate in many ways....IMHO...and in my real anger.....this isn't about family 'squabbles'....this is about deliberate and unmitigated genocide.
Namaste...

And one other little word.
We have been in an incredibly heightened state of being and there will most likely be a big letdown as we recover. Maybe some weariness and a little despair as the full Moon in Pisces appears. But this is also a time for us to reflect on our common human experience and to let the compassion flow out of us. Most of all for ourselves.

Judi, a tiny part of the population is trying genocide and they will not succeed.

The reprehensiblely bland David Brooks tells it like it is until here:
Reaganite conservatism was the response to the pessimism and feebleness of the 1970's. Maybe this time there will be a progressive resurgence. Maybe we are entering an age of hardheaded law and order. (Rudy Giuliani, an unlikely G.O.P. nominee a few months ago, could now win in a walk.) Maybe there will be call for McCainist patriotism and nonpartisan independence. All we can be sure of is that the political culture is about to undergo some big change
------
Yeh, right....still wallowing in his own stupidity and narrow vision, he still doesn't get it....no, what we are most likely to experience is the GOP being wiped off the map. I hope.

JM, a tiny part of the population has succeeded royally.....if you hadn't noticed.

I am still smarting from the email I got the other day.....good vibes cure everything. Sorry....I have no idea what is going to cure this until it is over. If I ever have the stomach for it, I will post part of it. It is from a woman who runs her business in positive visualizations....yeh, right.

Claudia Dikinis sent a very good piece to me last week before the storm....and it isn't online, just an email...and it said that September would be when the world saw such horror that it would HAVE to wake up - and the writer was talking about Iraq, which has been wiped off the front pages.

As Tseka so rightly says, people are living in (my words...a narcotizied) bunnyland. How can anyone read about what has happened and not think something even more insidious than incompetence has taken place? Why have I been THIS angry for five years? It isn't from living in bunnyland. I have had a lot of people drop me because of it.....and I am not backing off now.

This is exactly my point. We have to unite to protect ourselves. The black people have been through this over and over. They always survive. They are experienced and will guide us now. I just do feel that all the allies we can find against this small faction will help us through. And that we can't obliterate this part of the poulation. They always come back. So now is a time to come up with working solutions and defenses. And that's why we all gathered here in cyberspace without guns and ammo.

Remember, they will fail. Attempted genocide has always failed.

amen jm, amen.

Yes, I think and have thought for a long time that the Republican Party is dying. Their methods don't fit the times anymore. We don't have to murder this creature. It's happening automatically. We can build a mighty replacement now.

I know how genocide fails. My family half of which was murdered in the gas chambers of WWII just had a family reunion where they laughted and laughed together in the midst of new babies and an ever increasing family size.

Judi, you have a might Mars in Aries. Of course you're angry.

I'm sure Iraq and 911 can no longer be used against us. And hopefully the so called terrorists. I'm curious to see what happens to his planned 911 party coming up. All I know is that this previously momentous event, used as an excuse for all atrocities, has just been sent offstage. This all lands deep in the collective psyche.

Mimi, I hope you read this, because you were the one, I think, who posted about Mike Brown and the Arabians....check this out!!! The Boston Herald strikes !

http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/001728.html

The federal official in charge of the bungled New Orleans rescue was fired from his last private-sector job overseeing horse shows. And before joining the Federal Emergency Management Agency as a deputy director in 2001, GOP activist Mike Brown had no significant experience that would have qualified him for the position........
-------------------------------
This is today's Republican Party establishment in a nutshell. They hire totally unqualified people to run governnment agencies simply because they used to be partners in beer pong tournaments. I hope, I really hope, that I'd be just as outraged were a future Democratic administration to exhibit such outright nepotism and incompetence. I cannot imagine being a mindless apologist for this kind of stupidity. (posting from the page)

JM, yes my mars is in aries, but that isn't the reason I am angry, only the way I express it. My progressed Mars is in late Taurus....so it is a double whammy but unfortunately, I can't remember why right now (the late Taurus stuff) because I am still too angry. And yes, there is always a comedown from the high. That DOESN"T mean we shouldn't have that high....I am pretty tired of being mitigated, myself....and I haven't come close to being as mitigated as the survivors in the south.

Rage on, judi g. I'm behind you.

Arianna crucifies them all: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/bill-clinton-suckupin_b_6716.html

This disaster has been extraordinarily revealing, exposing not only Bush's failure of leadership, and the deadly consequences of his distorted priorities but also the many, many years of political neglect of the poor and the needy by both political parties. You couldn't get a much clearer illustration of the myriad ways that we have indeed become Two Nations than the stories and pictures coming out of New Orleans this week. Not too many Bush Pioneers were forced to wallow in their own feces at the Superdome.

Counter the Freeps. How are Smirky&Co handling Katrina crisis?
http://www.weau.com/

I just talked to my sister in NYC and she decided she's definitely going to DC on the 24th.

Jm,

I understand. I just didn't understand what you were getting at. About the disaster, I think this also reveals deep fissures in America's class system that is so hidden. It is soemthing that we are afraid to talk about.

parts of Mississippi, inhabited mostly by poor whites which some will arrogantly call "trailer trash" have not even yet received any aide at all. MSNBC said that most are living off wild game and what they can find.

There is most suredly a racial component to this, esp. as a part of a larger war by conservatives on the poor in general.

The system has for too long used racism to divide and conquer, knowing well that a poor Mississippi white man has more in common with his black counter-parts then the wealthy.

Sure, I'm not saying that they are the same; that somehow black and poor whites are from the same mold, but they do face many of the same challenges.

Where the hell is Laura Bush in all of this...is
she as bloody stupid as her husband? You'd have
thought that on Monday she would have said "Get
your ass back to Washington and take charge."

Jesus, what a pathetic family, there is not one of them worth a sh*t! It is all about them, compassionate conservatism, and Christian morals
my behind. These people are scum.

Judi, I also have Mars ihn rulership in Aries and it also rules my Scorpio Ascendent. You would think that I would be a real "hothead". Not much in my personal life. With a trine to Jupiter on the MC, it comes out as anger and revolution against institutions and governements(9th house concerns).

Also, I was just mentioning the plight of those in Mississippi because most of them are anglo.

Aftermath of Katrina
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Receding floodwaters expose the dark side of America - but will anything change?
Jonathan Freedland sees a country waking up to injustice and high-level incompetence

Jonathan Freedland
Monday September 5, 2005

Guardian

The waters flow in and the waters flow out, washing away all that once lay on the surface -and revealing what lies beneath. So it is with all floods in all places, but now it is America which stands exposed. And neither America nor the world much likes what it sees.
The first revelation was not spoken in words, but written in the faces of those left behind. Television viewers from Bradford to Bangalore could not help but notice it, and Americans from Buffalo to Bakersfield could not deny it. The women pleading for their lives in handwritten signs, the children clinging to tree branches, the prisoners herded on to a jail roof - they were overwhelmingly black.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5277737-117540,00.html

Great cartoon from The Guardian...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/0,7371,337484,00.html

Travieso....I also have Scorpio rising....so Mars is co ruler....but I have Mars in the 6th and tend to be a workaholic. I am not a hothead....EXCEPT when I percieve something so outrageous I can't keep my anger contained. Doesn't happen often (slow fuse)....

SF Chronicle has stuff on how the city recovered from the 1906 earthquake and rebuilt itself. It was an unmitigated disaster that left people living in tents for the next 9 months. But it was also a city as far away from the hub of federal power as you could get at that time....there were no FEMAs or helicopters coming to save anyone. And the racial element that was in play then was over the chinese who were very very badly treated...alot of the same ingredients as the SF disaster (Loma Prieta in 1989 was bad, but nothing like NOLA) ...... the one thing which is different is the power the gov had to help and the technology the gov. had to help....none of which saved any lives.

So if Halliburton rebuilds NO, I'll betcha it looks like Jazzland at Disneyworld....

Once again, a link the see shepard Smith and Geraldo go off in anger with Bill Oreally and the insanity they continue to report...
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/02.html#a4763

Comment
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Left to sink or swim
Tragic events in New Orleans have laid bare America's bigotry and exposed the lie of equal opportunity

Gary Younge
Monday September 5, 2005

Guardian

'Stuff happens," said the US defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, when called to respond to the looting taking place in Baghdad after the American invasion. "But in terms of what's going on in that country, it is a fundamental misunderstanding to see those images over and over and over again of some boy walking out with a vase and say, 'Oh, my goodness, you didn't have a plan' ... It's untidy, and freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things. They're also free to live their lives and do wonderful things, and that's what's going to happen here."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5277659-103677,00.html

Everybody remember the anecdotes Betsey posted about Bush in Austin?
Spoiled, ignorant, short-fused, entitled.

And don't forget that within the family and close associates Bush Sr. referred to rank and file Americans as "fodder units."

Mark you, Bush will name a new Chief Justice as
soon as Renquist's funeral is over. He wants
NOLA off the front page...

Morgana's column is entitled 'A call for Accountability'.....and then there is the headline everywhere from every source that Bush and the WH SCUM are blaming the governor and mayor of NOLA for the slow response....

Mary Landrieu has gone totally ballistic and will punch Bush out soon, if she sees him....you go MARY! Of course, we know she won't.....the Sec.Service would shoot her dead first.

So much for accountability...

* The Rebellion of the Talking Heads

Newscasters, sick of official lies & stonewalling, finally start snarling.

http://www.slate.com/id/2125581/?nav=tap3

WV...good UK cartoon....really captures all the angst. It is very victor Hugoish....

I made the mistake of visiting Michele Malkin's blog site....oh my, spiders spinning, spinning. So to veer back to sanity, here is Bob Fertik's blog on FEMA head Joe Allbaugh:
http://www.democrats.com/node/5960

Joe 'Funeralgate' Allbaugh Destroyed FEMA
Submitted by Bob Fertik on September 4, 2005 - 10:11pm.Bush Scandals
When Bush stole the White House, he put Joe Allbaugh in charge of FEMA.
Allbaugh was Bush's chief of staff when Bush was Texas Governor, and then served as Campaign Manager in the 2000 election, where he was the least well known of the "troika" - Karl Rove, Karen Hughes, and Joe Allbaugh.
When Allbaugh was put in charge of FEMA, he was at the center of a whistleblower lawsuit brought by Eliza May, the former executive director of the Texas Funeral Service Commission. The scandal became known as "Funeralgate": (more on the whole Funeralgate there)

'Five shot dead' in New Orleans

Survivors stranded
At least five people have reportedly been shot dead by police in the US city of New Orleans, where a massive effort is underway to aid hurricane survivors.
The incident started when contractors escorted by officers were shot at while crossing a bridge.

The US government earlier announced it had restored order in New Orleans, six days after Hurricane Katrina brought flood waters and anarchy to the city.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4214232.stm

The pluto station was on the US Mars in Gemini and the media has erupted, unleashed, and is flooding past the demolished dam.

This is so big.

Regarding Funeralgate, this is worth the Salon daypass!

http://tinyurl.com/crn2q

Joanna, read Jack Schafer's piece on rebellion of talking heads. He lambastes Mary Landrieau....this was the day before the Rez arrived. But this morning I read the transcript of her being interviewed (and now I don't know where) in which the FOLLOWING day, she realized that all the 'set ups' for relief were just SETS for photo ops for the rez...she broke down crying during the interview and said the next time she saw the rez she wanted to punch him in the face. She was livid, and realized the house of cards when she flew over the levies which the day before had all these cranes and bulldozers for the rez (she was in the helicopter (or plane) with him) to see...thinking it was all happening. The next day she flew over the same spot on the levi, and there was one deserted crane. It was a photo op.

I found it.....
http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_09.html#076637

Landrieu slams FEMA

WASHINGTON - U.S. Senator Mary Landrieu, D-La., Saturday accused the
Federal Emergency Management Agency of failing to accept offers that
would have eased post-hurricane problems in New Orleans -- including a plan
for the Forest Service to douse fires in the city with aircraft used to fight fire.
Read the whole thing at nola.com

The Sunday Times - World



September 04, 2005

Focus: When the levees broke, the waters rose and Bush’s credibility sank with New Orleans
The president tumbled to the epic scale of the disaster far, far too late, says Andrew Sullivan



Like many seismic events, Katrina’s true impact might take a while to absorb. What started as a natural disaster soon became an unforeseen social meltdown and potential political crisis for the president. The poverty, anarchy, violence, sewage, bodies, looting, death and disease that overwhelmed a great American city last week made Haiti look like Surrey.
The seeming inability of the federal or city authorities to act swiftly or effectively to rescue survivors or maintain order posed fundamental questions about the competence of the Bush administration and local authorities. One begins to wonder: almost four years after 9/11, are evacuation plans for cities this haphazard? Five days after a hurricane, there were still barely any troops imposing order in a huge city in America. How on earth did this happen? And what will come of it?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1764115,00.html

How would you rate the fed response? ("Disgraceful" is doing pretty well, but needs help.)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168286,00.html#poll

Yup, judi... & what's amazing is that bushadruggie to this moment is bouncin' along, like the everready bunny, keepin' on keepin' on, not missin' a beat, gleefully plannin' to choke us with illegal supreme court justices, playin' its guitar, on n' on n' on n' on... & nothin' hauls its ass off to the psych unit of jail...

Morgana, I just had time to read you article. It was great. I actually liked it a lot better than Eric Francis' piece. You lay it out in two sentences:

"The new Moon in Virgo also speaks to the intestines, to the diseases which are manifested from putrid, squalid waters. The ability for People to assimiliate the reality of our American situation is rocking the American Psyche to it's core. "

As I read it, Madame d'Oracle, we, the American people, are being forced to digest the toxic product of our negilgence to humanity -- and witness ourselves digesting it as we go through that process. We neglect the people, we neglect the environment, and we reap the rewards of that--suffering on an immeasurable scale and vicarious witnessing through television.

The reporters on the scene are angry. Go to

www.crooksandliars.com

and find the piece on Fox about Geraldo Rivera and Shapard Smith. It's mind blowing. They're in NOLA and Hannity is talking to them. He's his normal idiot self but Smith just dismisses him as he reports the failures (on Thursday). Geraldo is back to Willowbrook form (he broke a huge story in NYC by sneaking in a state institution for the mentally retarded and filming autrocities...all such institutions in NY State were closed after that...it was a profound story in the early '70's and it made Geraldo). Rivera screamed, 'let them march across that bridge' right outside the convention center going to Gretna where there was power and help. Amazing, this will be the smoking gun. Whoever stopped that fromtaking place and kep those people in the Convention Center is going to jail.

It's time for America to awaken from its TV Trance and fast food diet of lies and delusions. At some point, it will be asked, "Where were the right wing Christians, the "Project Rescue" anti abortion activists, the "moral majority?" No where to be found. They're neither Christian nor are they a "coalition" for much longer. Pat and Jerry will not be able to hold back too much longer. We will hear about "god's anger" or some such rot.

They're saying 10,000 dead. I'm predicting at least 20,000. There were 2,000,000 (two million) people in the NOLA greater metropolitan area. Ten thoudand, I don't think so and it makes me cry to think of the pain that is past and onging.

New Orleans was just beautiful. It was so special to me, a place that I knew would always be wonderful, whenever I visited. It's the only American city I've visited multiple times without any business reason whatsoever. Wonderful place, wonderful people.

We've lost a treasure and the thieves must be punished. Time to watch the wheel of karma crush the perpetrators, espose them naked in the light of public scrutiny, rip away their defenses, and send them across the "bridge of sighs" to a certain long term confinement as the vile ones that they are.

No more elites, no more special people; one nation, reality-based government, respect for nature and ALL people.

Peace

Note: This happened because Bush stole the election. Click on my name and look at the article that appears and, if your adventurous, the links containing brilliant statistical analysis. Use this material with your skeptical or complacent friends. It's a stunner.

Worth a visit.

http://www.grandtheftelectionohio.com/

More confirmations of what we already knew.....OKC building blowup and 9/11 were insider jobs to usher in martial law.....also note what the next event is going to be:

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/32853.htm

Besides

I'm not sure genocide is their plan. I think they're after that piece of property.

political cartoon in NZ's biggest newspaper today
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/500814/story.cfm?c_id=500814&ObjectID=10343985

Happy Labor Day my friends.

George Bush offered John Roberts the position of Chief Justice of the Supreme Court at approximatelly 7:15 am EDT in the Oval Office in Washington DC.

America, our once great nation has died...

"I'm not sure genocide is their plan. I think they're after that piece of property."

Dang right genocide is their plan!!! And they regard that "piece of property" as theirs already. All "things" are "theirs" to do with as "they please." They are herders, cullers & eaters. They've never done anything but! for 1000s of years.

Thank you jm.

May Labor rise again.

Cybear, keep visualizing the good stuff....

Joanna, you are so right. That's just who they are.

wv was right--and Bush didn't even wait for Rehnquist's funeral before nominating his successor. (I would say that Rehnquist wasn't even cold yet--except that he was always cold.)

Here is another prediction: When the next big disaster hits, federal troops will be right on the spot enforcing their priority orders--keeping the media out!

(((Pat C)))

I am, I do, and will continue. With every death, rebirth follows. I hope we as a country can raise this new child to be greater then before. To teach her that liberty and justice is for all, not just for the wealthy and powerful.

I really didn't think he would do it until AFTER
the funeral, but nothing surprises me about that
family. They have absolutely NO class. That story
has lead all the newscasts this morning, even BBC
at 6 am. They also have no SHAME.

WV - Why are you so surprised? The Fiend has to get on with "his" life. He does not give a flip about anyone, only himself and his necrocon evilgelicans. He is the most disgusting, vile and evil person to ever set foot on this earth.

WV - Ooops...You are not surprised. You, like everyone else I suppose thought that he would at least wait until the body was cold. But, then again...

This seems to explain it:

http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2005/09/why_labor_alway.html#more

Thorstein Veblen Explains Why Labor Always Gets Exploited

...

Thorstein Veblen (1857-1929) believed government existed to protect the existing social relationships and, in a capitalist system, that meant protection of property and the privileges of ownership. In a capitalist system, power ultimately resides in the hands of the ownership class because this class controls government. According to Veblen:

...modern politics is business politics... This is true both of foreign and domestic policy. Legislation, police surveillance, the administration of justice, the military and diplomatic service, all are chiefly concerned with business relations, pecuniary interests, and they have little more than an incidental bearing on other human interests.

Though Veblen believes that government exists to protect business interests, he did realize there were different political parties, and people could vote for the party of their choice. However, each party represents competing business interests, not the interests of workers:

The business interests ... within the scope of a given government fall into a loose organization in the form of ... a tacit ring or syndicate, proceeding on a general understanding that they will stand together as against outside business interests. The nearest approach to an explicit plan and organization of such a business ring is the modern political party, with its platform, tacit and avowed. Parties differ in their detail aims, but those parties ... stand for different lines of business policy, agreeing all the while in so far that they all aim to further what they each claim to be the best, largest, most enduring business interests of the community. The ring of business interests which secures the broadest approval from popular sentiment is, under constitutional methods, put in charge of the government establishment.

For more, see the above link.

Not very encouraging... tho it is hard to argue with that logic.

I suppose there are renegades. FDR was different. How do you explain that -- except that he viewed that a rising tide would float all boats.

I suppose its a question of how enlightened a business man you are. George Soros is a good example today.

Bush officially offered Roberts the chief justice position at 7:15 a.m. today Washington time after the two met privately at the White House yesterday at 5:30 p.m., spokesman Scott McClellan said.

``This had been something that had been in the president's thinking for some time in case the chief justice retired'' or died or became unable to fulfill his duties, McClellan said.

White House chief of staff Andy Card notified congressional leaders early today of Bush's decision. Justice John Paul Stevens, acting as liaison for the court, was also notified of the president's decision, McClellan said.

To contact the reporter on this story:
Greg Stohr in Washington at gstohr@bloomberg.net.

Last Updated: September 5, 2005 09:36 EDT
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=anUq563c3qLQ&refer=top_world_news
Man, that was all in the works long ago.

I stand by my story I heard it on the BBC at
6 am EDT....

http://abcnews.go.com/US/HurricaneKatrina/story?id=1094262&page=1

Poll: Bush Not Taking Brunt of Katrina Criticism
Hurricane Preparedness Is Faulted; Fewer Blame Bush for Problems
Analysis by GARY LANGER
Sep. 4, 2005 - Americans are broadly critical of government preparedness in the Hurricane Katrina disaster -- but far fewer take George W. Bush personally to task for the problems, and public anger about the response is less widespread than some critics would suggest.

Just what we need, another lying commission...

Need fed probe into crisis - Hillary


WASHINGTON - With many blaming the growing scope of Katrina's devastation on the Bush administration, Sen. Hillary Clinton called yesterday for a 9/11-style probe into how the federal government responded to the crisis.
"It has become increasingly evident that our nation was not prepared," Clinton (D-N.Y.) said in a letter to Bush asking him to set up a "Katrina Commission."

"The slow pace of relief efforts in the face of a mounting death toll ... seems to confirm that our ability to respond to cataclysmic disasters has not been adequately addressed," she said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/343489p-293306c.html

An interesting article about HAARP...

Technonet is the protest form of the 1990s-picketing on the information highways. For example, a fast-growing assortment of men and women around the world are using the Internet (started by the US military for information transfer and exchange that would never be interfered with) to draw attention to a questionable military project in Alaska. Now these Internetting, e-mailing, faxing folks are blowing holes in the US Department of Defense secrecy wall by using the government's own system.
The printed-word part of the protest started when Dennis Specht, an anti-nuclear activist then living in Alaska, sent a news item to NEXUS on the topic of HAARP-the High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program. Then, an Alaskan political activist and science researcher in Anchorage, Nick Begich, networked with Patrick and Gael Crystal Flanagan, who are self-described "technomonks" living in Sedona, Arizona, and was told to check out that same Australian-based magazine. Begich was surprised to see an item from his home town in NEXUS and immediately headed to the local library to dig out the documents cited in the article.

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/haarp.html

DERELICTION OF DUTY, ABUSE OF OFFICE, AND VIOLATION OF PUBLIC TRUST ARE IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES UNDER THE MISDEMEANORS PORTION OF
"HIGH CRIMES & MISDEMEANORS"

I have sent the following letter to John Conyers
on the Judiciary Committee and will be sending the same strong letter to every member and every congress person. I hope you will join me.

Membership of Judiciary Committee http://judiciary.house.gov/CommitteeMembership.aspx

Most complete list of e mail/fax addresses of Congress:
http://www.conservativeusa.org/mega-cong.htm

Dear Congressman _____________________

It's time.
Now the entire country is witness to Bush’s Impeachable offenses and Misdemeanors of :
Dereliction of Duty, Abuse of Office, Violation of Public Trust.

We have listed the proof of Bush's dereliction of duty and violations of Public Trust at the URL here:

"NOW IS THE TIME - LIST HERE BUSH's DERELICTION OF DUTY - FOR IMPEACHMENT "
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2061707

but in addition to this, the Congress would have both Bush and Cheney on charges of Abuse of Office.:

1)On Tuesday or Wednesday the announcement came, days before the people in New Orleans were rescued, given water or MRE's, that Halliburton had been awarded the contract for rebuilding in New Orleans. Without bid. And to a company who had been caught overcharging the U.S. taxpayer $100 million in Iraq.

2)A transcript of Tim Russert's Meet The Press has Republican governor Barbour stating he had national guard, food, fuel, water and all that he needed on MONDAY, while President Broussard of Jefferson Parrish Louisiana broke down in tears on national tv at the death of his citizens stating that even as of today, Sunday Sept 4, 7 days after the hurricane, he did not have food, water, fuel, or national guard and as a matter of fact such items had been sent to him by private parties and FEMA refused to let these desperately needed items through: that FEMA even had cut the lines of his emergency communications.
The text of his interview with Russert is here:transcript: <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9179790 /

When Republican Governor Barbour of Mississippi who was interviewed after Mr. Broussard said "I don;t know what went on in Louisiana but I had guard, food , water and everything I needed on Monday - I understood. I think the world understood.

Mr. Bush is known to be a vindictive person. It is obvious that FEMA on orders did not service the Democratic governor's constituents , never mind that it would cause their deaths, while taking excellent care of the Republican;s constituents. I as we all are, am horrified at what that bastid has done.

The food, water, buses, help,. volunteers were kept outside of New Orleans and not allowed in for days.
I have numerous instances with links in the URL above as proof of this. Many who rushed to New Orleans with supplies, boats, medicine, doctors, sherriffs ,aid and transport called by the mayor or the Governor were rebuffed and sent away by FEMA and the National Guard on Thursday and before. FEMA & the Guard under orders, essentially blockaded New Orleans.and the Parishes causing deaths.

It's beyond comprehension, but that is the conclusion that one must come to after Tim Russert interviewed (R) Gov Haley Barbour of Mississippi who said he had everything he needed on Monday but didn't know what went on in Louisiana, and a (D) County Manager Broussard Jefferson, Louisiana parish who broke down and cried on national television on Sunday that his people were dying and he still didn't have what was needed 7 days after the hurricane.

It was not until I saw President Broussard of Jefferson Parish crying on Tim Russert's national news show, that he had been promised every day that the calvary was coming by FEMA and the President, while his people were dying and FEMA was turning away gas, water, and food trucks that I understood what Bush was doing.

Originally I thought Bush’s intent was genocide. But after hearing Haley Barbour and President Broussard on the same program experiencing the absolute opposite I understood what it was.

Payback.

Did Bush realize the deaths his vindictive actions would cause? . If so , it was homicide, if not, it was manslaughter, not just dereliction of duty. Either way, what he has done is criminal, impeachable and it's time for him to go.

a) The Chicago Tribune reports that the U.S.S. Bataan, equipped with six operating rooms, hundreds of hospital beds and the ability to produce 100,000 gallons of fresh water a day, has been sitting off the Gulf Coast since last Monday - waiting for orders from the President, which never came.
b)The BBC interviewed Lieutenant Sean Kelly who stated over radio they had been prepared for rescue three days before the hurricane hit and were awaiting orders from the President, which did not come. (Transcipt of interview in above URL)
c)Bush has stated " No one knew this could happen"
Dr. Max Mayfield, director of the National Hurricane Center, told the Times-Picayune Sunday afternoon that officials with the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the Department of Homeland Security, including FEMA Director Mike Brown and Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, listened in on electronic briefings given by his staff in advance of Hurricane Katrina slamming Louisiana and Mississippi--and were advised of the storm’s potential deadly effects.
"Mayfield said the strength of the storm and the potential disaster it could bring were made clear during both the briefings and in formal advisories, which warned of a storm surge capable of overtopping levees in New Orleans and winds strong enough to blow out windows of high-rise buildings," the paper reported. "He said the briefings included information on expected wind speed, storm surge, rainfall and the potential for tornados to accompany the storm as it came ashore. "We were briefing them way before landfall," Mayfield said. "It’s not like this was a surprise. We had in the advisories that the levee could be topped."

No orders were given out in fact until the President returned from his cake eating, guitar strumming, fund raising jaunt to California on Thursday evening, 4 days after the hurricane hit.

This is what you get when the Supreme Court puts a sociopath, if not a psychopath in the highest office of the land. Fascism, Springtime for Hitler,and a killer sitting in the oval office. Does anyone in the democratic party not realize this yet?

I sincerely hope that the compilation of information will help you bring this to the Judiciary Committee for the impeachment of this insane bastard.

Sincerely,

sorry, I forgot to add - please spread this letter far and wide to wherever you post, to your e mail list of friends and organizations.

There is one person responsible for this,for the deaths of thousands of Americans, and if we don't move now, the blame will go solely to the FEMA morons.

Sure, they were "po black people" - but here's the news - we are all "po black people" to the
psychopath in the oval office.

The major lesson learned here, and dont you forget it, white or black, in this country under
this republican extremist infiltrated government -
in any disaster or attack: YOU"RE ON YOUR OWN.

Special Report

Hurricane Katrina and holocaust: Slow response or deliberate extermination?

By Larry Chin
Online Journal Associate Editor

Download a .pdf file for printing.
Adobe Acrobat Reader required.
Click here to download a free copy.

September 5, 2005—The devastation and human toll of Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath is beyond already words, and it is worsening. To say the Bush administration non-response is an international disgrace is putting it so mildly, it is grotesquely insulting. It may also be missing the point.

What the world already knows is that the Bush administration withheld funding and hampered disaster preparation, failed to aid rescue and relief efforts, and waited four days to even begin to get barely adequate supplies to victims.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/090505Chin/090505chin.html

Pallas 18

I sent a note to my Congressman yesterday asking
for Impeachment, but then again I have been sending him this request for nearly a year. I hope
everyone on this site will contact their Congress
person and give them the word - IMPEACHMENT!

okay, I must think Astroworld for giving us a place to discourse and vent. As you know, I am a very liberal person, but I'm not towing the liberal line of this issue with Katrina.

My friend's uncle just finally got out of Slidell, Louisiana just last night after spending days in an upstairs apartment with his 90 year old father!!! The water came up 13 feet and they know they are blessed. After the water subsided, they went out and found other friends and neighbors and they worked together to finally get out. He and his father are now on there way to
Austin.

IT MUST BE ADDED, that they received no federal or state assistance of any kind. Apperantly, the feds are so worried about NOLA that Mississippi and the little parishes have recieved nothing.

My friends are half anglo/half nicaraguan. If this was a purely race issue then how come they didn't recieved aide either? I mean come on, poor whites and other minorities are not as just effected? He said that he saw supply trucks heading straight to New Orleans without even stopping to help those in other parts of the state. I think this is wrong and disquating!!!

If this was a race issue, the poor whites in Mississippi and cajun country would have gotten aide first. Instead, they are the last to get aide. To me, this is purely a class issue with NOLA getting more aide because, beleive it or not, NOLA is wealthier than poorer outlining areas. I think that this is wrong. What, my friends life is less important because he's not brown enough or living in New Orleans?!

I know that this will anger some people but it has to be said and exposed. Sure, African - Americans have suffered greatly in this country, but if we have the knee-jerk reaction to racism, we may miss the other reasons for this governmental catastrophe. And if you really want to know what it is like to be a minority, try being a Nicaraguan in Louisiana!

September 5, 2005
Killed by Contempt
By PAUL KRUGMAN

Each day since Katrina brings more evidence of the lethal ineptitude of federal officials. I'm not letting state and local officials off the hook, but federal officials had access to resources that could have made all the difference, but were never mobilized.

Here's one of many examples: The Chicago Tribune reports that the U.S.S. Bataan, equipped with six operating rooms, hundreds of hospital beds and the ability to produce 100,000 gallons of fresh water a day, has been sitting off the Gulf Coast since last Monday - without patients.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/opinion/05krugman.html?pagewanted=print

September 5, 2005
Killed by Contempt
By PAUL KRUGMAN

Each day since Katrina brings more evidence of the lethal ineptitude of federal officials. I'm not letting state and local officials off the hook, but federal officials had access to resources that could have made all the difference, but were never mobilized.

Here's one of many examples: The Chicago Tribune reports that the U.S.S. Bataan, equipped with six operating rooms, hundreds of hospital beds and the ability to produce 100,000 gallons of fresh water a day, has been sitting off the Gulf Coast since last Monday - without patients.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/opinion/05krugman.html?pagewanted=print

Traviesco, it's absolutely a CLASS issue. However, it cannot be denied that if these were a group of rich white people, Americans and this administration would be all over themselves trying to get those rich whites out.

September 5, 2005
A Failure of Leadership

By BOB HERBERT

"Bush to New Orleans: Drop Dead"

Neither the death of the chief justice nor the frantic efforts of panicked White House political advisers can conceal the magnitude of the president's failure of leadership last week. The catastrophe in New Orleans billowed up like the howling winds of hell and was carried live and in color on television screens across the U.S. and around the world.

The Big Easy had turned into the Big Hurt, and the colossal failure of George W. Bush to intervene powerfully and immediately to rescue tens of thousands of American citizens who were suffering horribly and dying in agony was there for all the world to see.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/opinion/05herbert.html?pagewanted=print

Traviesco, one more thing. Pallas18, up thread, has a valid point: "we're all po' black people." And although your friends have white blood flowing through their veins, they have the unfortunate distinction of being poor. And in this administration's mind, they're just like "po' black people."

Fodder units.

Thanks for the links wv. They are good ones.

Janet, that is just what I am saying. We need to also talk in those terms of class. My friend had to stay with his 90 year old father and my friend is HIV positive.

But also, I think this speaks to the lack of planning on the part of the feds. I think they went to NOLA first because the "squeeky wheel gets the grease". The situation with looting was so bad in NOLA the feds went there first, forgetting they they have a responsability to protect all its citizens.

Do I think that my friends didn't get service first because of their mixed race? of course not. I feel that it is more of a testiment to the repubs four year long slow syphoning off of funds to FEMA and other aide agencies which is what the poor need to survive these catastrophies.

Travieso... are you really that obtuse?

Travieso and Janet--everybody who isn't in their clique is just a Fodder Unit to the Bushs. Rich, white Repubican contributors would get quick aid, sure. But if Sean Penn, Michael Moore, Al Franken, Rosie O'Donnell, Barbara Streisand, and rich folk with similar politics were stranded somewhere without a microphone, it would be too little and too late.

The comfortable middle-class right-wingers think they are included in the elite clique. Like high school kids on the fringes of the the "cool kids group" they deride and despise the outsiders. But the real insiders laugh at the gullible middle-class Repugs, too.

Again, I think next time (and fear next time will be fairly soon), the first order of the troops will be to keep the media away from the disaster area so that BushCo's neglect and incompetence won't be on the air.

Excuse me Janet?! I made clear and concise points that are valid. You don't have to get nasty. Were you personally effected by Katrina?! Well, I'm just telling you what a victim of the storm told me.

What, do you think that the response by the feds was adequate? I don't know where you live, but here in Texas we have taken in the most victims and I have seen my share of Lousiiana license-plates over the last few days. Please, just because a victim's story may not "jive" with your idealogy doesn't mean it's less important.

Barbara, I couldn't agree with you more. I think this is about Bush serving his "people" however he defines his people. Maybe on a subconscious level Bush didn't see these people as important, therefore they're plight was not as politically important.

I also agree with you on the future control of the media.

For the time being, the US, as we believed it to be (but was not) and the reality of the US (whose face is sitting in the WH today) Pluto in the 1st house strips what we think we are, shows us what we truly are and gives us the opportunity to transform. New Orleans has often been referred to as the "soul" of the nation, by their music, their diversity, their live and let live attitude, the "collective soul" of this nation has an opportunity to rebuild on firmer ground.

All that went down with the Big Easy and it will take years to transform and rebuild.

THE LEAST AMONG US

As I watched those people in New Orleans being herded into the SuperDome cattle pen, my heart ached for them and now they are under the rule and control of the US Government and will not be allowed to leave on their own unless someone claims them, leaving them in refugee (concentration) camps and hidden away without a voice. Most of them Black, but not all, many obese, most poor; all the things we turn away from because they don't look or act like the "white American" image. The vast majority of middle America including African Americans will also look away, afraid they will be identified by the same classification of the lowest of our culture - the poor. We've been marketed to very well by the PR Firms, gotta keep everyone "in their place."

In my career (37 years in non-profits) I have worked with the anguishingly poor, even the menacing poor. In seemingly direct opposition to that, I have worked with the overarchingly rich and the thing that struck me was how little difference there is between them. Both have a huge sense of entitlement, both demanding to be paid attention to, both defensive of their place in life, both have high expectations that they should be honored always. Oddly, the percentage of alcoholism and drug addictions are extraordinarily higher in both groups than the rest of the population. But the rich are able to cover it up better, with less actual reported crime, because they can afford to buy or afford the judicial process to get out of their "records."

Those of us in the middle judge both groups and question their value, we've been taught to do this. The reasons a person is poor is as varied as the reasons a person is rich and we judge if the rich deserve their money or the poor deserve our help.

The question on the table is not whether a person is black or white, rich or poor, the question is whether we value human life, any human life, or do we only value those who look, smell, behave, as we in the middle think they should, because it's "we in the middle" who support and empower both ends of this spectrum.

I ask you to carefully evaluate your answer, because if we do not value humanity and each individual soul, (I don't mean interact with everyone, I mean "value) we do not value ourselves as individuals and anything we are told or given we will accept. We will accept our own enslavement by this government who seems to so badly want to enslave America.

The "Christ Consciousness" said "when you do this to the least of my bretheren, you do this unto me." It is said repeatedly in the New Testament that "Christ" was "whole" with humanity, what we do, or judge, what we give or take away, we are doing, judging, giving and removing from our individual selves.

The Rich with their indolence and disconnect, the middle with their judgements and the poor with their acts of desperation, needs everyone who values humanity to be there and reflect true compassion back from the mirrors of our souls. Pluto demands no less.

JoannaOregon, love your posts! Your last one reminds me of another point--that tyrants need scapegoats.

With BushCo, the poor are scapegoats--especially the black poor. It's all their fault. (Too bad they didn't plan ahead to be born into a rich influence-selling family.)

I think we (progressives) ought to stop using the word "poor." We should refer to these people as "minimum-wage workers," and "retired people" which most of them are.

"Poor" to the Repugs means the myth of a care-free life on welfare (which in reality is anything but.) In fact, poor means working long hours for little money, trying to keep head above water with the odds against you, and navigating every credit/loan trap that the cold-blooded mind can devise.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/opinion/05krugman.html?pagewanted=print

Killed by Contempt

By PAUL KRUGMAN
Each day since Katrina brings more evidence of the lethal ineptitude of federal officials. I'm not letting state and local officials off the hook, but federal officials had access to resources that could have made all the difference, but were never mobilized.

Here's one of many examples: The Chicago Tribune reports that the U.S.S. Bataan, equipped with six operating rooms, hundreds of hospital beds and the ability to produce 100,000 gallons of fresh water a day, has been sitting off the Gulf Coast since last Monday - without patients.

More...

Can anyone here read German? I found the German news
website that went to NO and saw what was happening
behind the scenes.
I want those pics to pass around in the US!
http://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/20/0,1872,1000020,00.html
This isn't a third world country! There shouldn't be
pictures of dead babies in the water, or alligators
eating people. It has to be revenge against all the
Democrates in charge and the Blue areas of those
states! Randi Rhodes said it was about Prime
Coastal Real Estate getting rebuilt for the rich.
Without poor people living their to get in the way
of the developement. It's just so horrible and
Machavellian.

Janet you are absolutely correct in that we are all seen at "po people" black or white. I do know where you live and I also know that you have experienced first hand the attitude of the government's perception of who is "po" and who isn't and I do understand exactly what you are saying.

It has been a long time since we have been "equal" in this country. Can we breach the wide divide? Your post Sally, has an achingly cold hard truth feel about it. Things are not as they seem or as we thought, nor are we. This past week showed us that. You've said in others threads that we are in the deconstruction phase. I truly hope that we as a people will, like a Phoenox, rise up as a whole, and reclaim the dream of America.

Traviesco, please reread both of my posts, because I'm scratching my head as to how they could be interpreted as nasty.

Translation sites

http://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/20/0,1872,1000020,00.html

http://world.altavista.com/

Two good reasons to impeach Bush.

Why is the Red Cross not in New Orleans?:

Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.
http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html#4524

http://snipurl.com/hf59

Daley 'shocked' as feds reject aid :

A visibly angry Mayor Daley said the city had offered emergency, medical and technical help to the federal government as early as Sunday to assist people in the areas stricken by Hurricane Katrina, but as of Friday, the only things the feds said they wanted was a single tank truck.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/hurricane/cst-nws-daley03.html

http://snipurl.com/hf5c

Janet, Travieso, please

You don't get my point. It's not about class. And it's not about race. It is exactly as Barbara above wrote. She gets it.

If you are not in the inner circle, bankers, contributors, oilmen, the bush family - you are
"po black folk" - it doesn't matter that you are white, middle class, rich, republican - you are cannon fodder.

You have a sociopath sitting in the White House ruling this country . He doesn't care about you, or anyone else. His behavior is characteristic of a sociopath. He lies glibly, hurts, kills, and
glibly walks away without conscience or feeling.

Psychopaths know the right words to say, and are usually very convincing. Look at Ted Bundy. There's no difference between him and Bush.

Since he's in the oval office he sets the standard of behavior for this government.

That's why I tell you, in any disaster, you are po black folk, whether you are white or black, you are on your own to take care of you and yours.

If we are to survive, we must get rid of them all from any position of power. And this is the opportunity to do it.

Bombard congress republican and democrat with your version of my letter above.

It may give democrats spine, and it just may scare the hell out of the republicans that the demand is being made by thousands of Americans.

Send it to your local newspapers.

If there isn't a tsunami of demand to get rid of them now, it's likely we won't be able to.

Someone mentioned that Pluto is at 29 Sag on voting day 2008. That's not necessarily good news. Optimistically it could mean the end of this administration.

More realistically it could mean the end of voting.

As Nike says, please, "Just Do It."

Travieso, I will agree that poor people in general are not important to BushCo. However, the situation in New Orleans represented a CRITICAL MASS OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS. Nowhere else, in the region was there such a LARGE CONCENTRATION of a particular ethnic group in peril (literally in a bowl filled with toxic soup). For you to say that being black was secondary to class, means that you don't know what it means to be black in this society. I truly believe if the black middle-class population of NO were trapped, for what ever reason, the result would have been the same: a slow and ineffectual response by the administration. We are not a core demographic representation of their base. I wasn't until day 3 that an overwhelming public outrage manifested. Initially, most of the coverage concerned 'looting' not the welfare of victimes left behind. Compare that to the Tsunami. Most of the victims in the Tsunami tragedy were brown people. The outpouring of sympathy was unanimous from Americans. Look on most internet message boards and sadly a not-so-small percentage of posters believe the NO victims are animals and got what they deserved. Even the initial media coverage was hell bent on covering the small percentage of criminal marauders versus the vast majority of poor people patiently waiting on help that took 5 days and a presidential photo-op to arrive. I read a post on another board from someone who made the comment that none of the Tsunami victims looted. Well, to that I said: 'The media wasn't looking for looters; they were focused on the human interest story of survivors. In addtion, most everything of value was literally WASHED AWAY! There was nothing to take.' To reiterate, BushCo has declared war on all poor, black/brown, infirmed, etc. It's just in my opinion, the outrage is slower to manifest when the target is blacks.

Janet, obtuse means someone who is dimwitted and not too keen. I thought you were insulting my intelligence lack on my part.

About being "po' and black" I really cannot say since I'd rather be honest and tell you that I come from the TExas boarder where there are few African-Americans. I'd rather comment on that that I know which is Anglo and Hispanic cultures. I mean, it's a culture that I did not grow up around and what I know about it is from reading, my love of Jazz, and an African-American history class in college.

Sorry Janet if I took it the wrong way. My apologizes.

No Concerned American, I don't know what it is like to be Black in America, but I am mixed race from a bilingual home. You must also realize that my friends in Slidell are also racial minorities. Most on my family in Brown, so I do know something about race in America.

Of course, I'm not saying that NOLA doesn't deserve aide, but I understand why those in other parishes are pissed. I've been in a Hurricane ( Alicia in 1982) and it's hell.

And Concerned American, my friends lost everything as well. I don't know what we are going to do when they get here to Austin.

BuzzFlash Editorial


The Longer Bush Stays in the White House, The More That the National Security of the United States is Endangered

A BUZZFLASH EDITORIAL

The irony of the 2004 election is that it was the last-minute release of an alleged Osama bin Laden tape that John Kerry believes lost him the election. Whatever the merits of Kerry's judgment, the irony is that bin Laden ended up with the candidate he undoubtedly preferred: George W. Bush.

Beginning with 9/11 -- and Bush's failure to protect America against hijackings that he and Condoleezza were warned about in advance, but took no security actions to stop, resulting in the September 11th hijackings -- George W. Bush has weakened national security and the U.S. government's ability to protect its citizens at almost every level. This is just a fact.

http://www.buzzflash.com/editorial/05/09/edi05063.html

Bush Nominates Roberts for Chief Justice By JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writer
47 minutes ago

Seizing a historic opportunity to reshape the Supreme Court, President Bush swiftly chose conservative John Roberts as chief justice Monday and weighed how to fill another vacancy that could push the nation's highest court to the right on issues from abortion to affirmative action.

Polished and plainspoken, Roberts had been on a likely track to be confirmed as an associate justice and it appeared Bush turned to him for the top job to avoid an acrimonious fight at a volatile moment. Bush was on the defensive about the administration's sluggish response to Hurricane Katrina and his poll ratings had fallen to their lowest point of his presidency.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050905/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus&printer=1

Traviesco, apology accepted, I think. For the record, I did not use the word "obuse" in either of my post.

Help! This poll is being freeped:
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050905074909990005&ncid=NWS00010000000001

What do YOU think is going on with him?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2064712&mesg_id=2064712

Concerned American, I think what happened re slow public response is that we all figured the National Guard, the Red Cross, in short Everybody, would be in there soonest. I was stunned at the federal (lack of ) reaction and I think most people were.

With all his faults, Clinton (as he was in the '90s) would have been doing everything right away--I wouldn't have been surprised then at him throwing sandbags on the levee himself.

And too many law-abiding people tried to coordinate with the Goverment--asked permission--thought that was the right way to go about it. What a mistake, with these heartless, bumbling fools in charge. That great kid who took the bus with 100 people to Houston is a lesson to us all. Next time--Nobody ask permission! Just do it.

September 03, 2005
If he could go to Baghdad, why didn't Bush go to the New Orleans Superdome or the Convention Center? It was bizarre for all of the country and much of the world to be watching those scenes for days on our TVs and news reports, and for Bush's photo ops to be in areas that were far less critical. I know there are security considerations but his visit seemed extraordinarily hollow even by this administration's standard of ultra-stage managed events.

Dutch viewer Frank Tiggelaar writes:

There was a striking dicrepancy between the CNN International report on the Bush visit to the New Orleans disaster zone, yesterday, and reports of the same event by German TV.

ZDF News reported that the president's visit was a completely staged event. Their crew witnessed how the open air food distribution point Bush visited in front of the cameras was torn down immediately after the president and the herd of 'news people' had left and that others which were allegedly being set up were abandoned at the same time.

The people in the area were once again left to fend for themselves, said ZDF.

God Barbara, I miss Clinton so much. He would have been there the next day helping people on his own. I miss that compassion in a president.

Janet, I think when you posted "Travieso... are you really that obtuse?" is when I became offended. But, of course, maybe I took it out of context.

SEPTEMBER 2, 2005
12:20 PM CONTACT: Congressman Dennis Kucinich
Doug Gordon (202) 225-5871

Floor Statement of Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich:
The Supplemental for Hurricane Katrina

WASHINGTON - September 2 - Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich (D-OH) gave the following speech today on the House floor during a special session to provide relief money for the victims of Hurricane Katrina:
“This amount of money is only a fraction of what is needed and everyone here knows it. Let it go forward quickly with heart-felt thanks to those who are helping to save lives with necessary food, water, shelter, medical care and security. Congress must also demand accountability with the appropriations. Because until there are basic changes in the direction of this government, this tragedy will multiply to apocalyptic proportions.

http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0902-10.htm

And Barbara, I said the same thing earlier in this post. I think this is more that product of the republicans slowly killing off FEMA and other aide to the victims and the poor. Katrina is the end result of the "privatization" of social services that Bush loves so much. And of course, the poor and the sick are the most disenfranchized.

From Phillip Wentz:

If all three of these are true . . . then it makes it premeditated, don't it? I mean, he can't say holding up saving lives was something that never dawned on him as something that he shouldn't do.
First, Scott McClellen 9/1/2005 on Bush's fly by.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/09/20050901-2.html#

The one thing that the pilots aboard Air Force One did, at the direction of the President and the White House, was to make sure that the flyover in the region was in no way going to disrupt the ongoing response and recovery efforts, the ongoing search and rescue efforts. That's why they were in close contact with people on the ground in the region, authorities on the ground, to make sure that the level we were at, and where we were flying over was in no way disrupting those ongoing activities. So they were very careful about that.
_____
Sept 2, 2005
http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/politics/12548040.htm
Congressman can't get Bush on the line
DAVID PACE Associated Press
....
In St. Bernard and Plaquemines parishes, just south of New Orleans, victims of the hurricane are still waiting for food and water and for buses to escape the floodwaters, Melancon said. And for the entire time Bush was in the state, the congressman said, a ban on helicopter flights further stalled the delivery of food and supplies.
____
http://www.nola.com/weblogs/print.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/print076556.html
Times-Picayune
Saturday, September 03, 2005

Bush visit halts food delivery
By Michelle Krupa
Staff writer

Three tons of food ready for delivery by air to refugees in St. Bernard Parish and on Algiers Point sat on the Crescent City Connection bridge Friday afternoon as air traffic was halted because of President BushÕs visit to New Orleans, officials said.

The provisions, secured by U.S. Rep. Charlie Melancon, D-Napoleonville, and state Agriculture Commissioner Bob Odom, baked in the afternoon sun as Bush surveyed damage across southeast Louisiana five days after Katrina made landfall as a Category 4 storm, said MelanconÕs chief of staff, Casey OÕShea.

ÒWe had arrangements to airlift food by helicopter to these folks, and now the food is sitting in trucks because they wonÕt let helicopters fly,Ó OÕShea said Friday afternoon.

"I ask you to carefully evaluate your answer, because if we do not value humanity and each individual soul, (I don't mean interact with everyone, I mean "value) we do not value ourselves as individuals"
Sally's comment above says it all to me. We run into problems when we look at our superficial differences and find them definitive instead of looking at the most elemental components of the human race. How absurd - - we are all humankind. If the skin color or the country of birth is different, if the social or economic status is different, if the belief system or ideology is different, of if the sexual orientation is different, we cant identify and dont care. We apparently need to be able to identify in order to empathize. It should be easy: we humans are all in this boat together. The most basic element of being human is contained in every single person who has existed, now exists or will ever exist on this planet. Thats what we need to connect with to start the caring.

Published on Monday, September 5, 2005 by Direland

Bush's Roberts-for-Chief Ploy: A Black Day for America
by Doug Ireland

George Bush's announcement this morning that John Roberts is his nominee to replace Rehnquist as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court is a clever move. The Senate Democrats have already thrown in the towel on confirming Roberts as an associate justice -- there have been a few grumblings, but the Democratic leadership (and its troops) have their eye on the off-term legislative elections next year, Roberts is polling extraordinarily well (the carefully constructed photo ops of the attractive Roberts and his family in the days following his first nomination played well in the country, which judges on image more than record) and the Democrats saw no political points to be made, when the country goes to the polls next year, in opposing Roberts for associate justice. There is not a single Democratic Senator who has as yet announced opposition to Roberts for that post -- let alone the dozens that would be needed for a filibuster. So much for principle.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0905-20.htm

Shylurker, what interesting photo's. I took a look at his hands in the meeting shot which appeared clenching ... the arm of a chair the other a pen, as Chertoff expounded his list of excuses.

Traviesco, I hate to beat a dead horse but I did not, ever, say, "Traviesco, are you really that obtuse." THAT WAS NOT MY POST. Again, please reread my 2 original posts up thread. The truth matters to me. Thank you.

Travieso... I used the word "obtuse"... not Janet. It makes one think, doesn't it, how much one's life can go awry, or how much a country's life can go awry, when simple facts are not... facts.

JoannaOregon, thank you and an excellent point. :-)

From Cynthia Butler:

SHAME SHAME SHAME

Campbell Brown, Karl Rove and all the other spinmeisters-what were you thinking?? Shame on you for grilling the LA mayor for his part. Shame on you, Rove, for making it the locals' fault. We don't buy it. Totally transparent and totally sickening.

Nothing like blaming the victims. The mayor himself lost his home, many on the local forces couldn't account for their own families' whereabouts, many were homeless, and they still reported for duty. Several have already killed themselves. Help from above did not materialize. Don't get me started on a wedding in Greece that had the whole shop either asleep or out of the country.

Anyone up North who had a parent in Florida was hanging by the news and checking Internet news throughout the day while Katrina blasted up the Coast. Bush has a brother living in Florida, doesn't he? Do they talk? What exactly is the National Weather Service for?

The Party of "taking personal responsibility" needs to look in the mirror. You don't blame the people who went through a hurricaine and a flood of biblical proportion! Hello? Is there anyone with half a pea brain sitting in the federal buildings in Washington? We can't get insulting enough to describe the magnitude of outrageous ineptitude-so inept, in fact, that it appears entirely planned.

A Congressional delegation needs to go help now. Anyone who knows how to operate a small craft should go. Absolutely no ban on any kind of aid should be in effect, and anyone stopping aid should be criminally prosecuted. Anyone willing to give anything-including Chicago and New Mexico governors or mayors, the Dutch, the French Crois Rouge and anyone else who has a heart to help-should be immediately allowed to do so. When the government actually gets in the way of giving aid and saving lives, it has outstepped its mandate clearly. There are still people trapped who have been hanging on without food for a week. It's a scandal-and it is something more than that: It is a "high crime."

Naomi Klein -- the rise of disaster capitalism

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050502/klein

it's being done all over the world ... like declaring countries "failed states"

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1077495.php

Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans

New Orleans police to be pulled off streets

By Chris Adams, Martin Merzer and Susannah A. Nesmith

Knight Ridder Newspapers

DONNA MCWILLIAM / AP

NEW ORLEANS — On the seventh day, the mayor of New Orleans said he would surrender control of his shattered city to federal and state officials, and authorities issued dire predictions of the human cost of Hurricane Katrina.

"We need to prepare the country for what's coming," Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said yesterday. "We are going to uncover people who died hiding in the houses, maybe got caught in floods. It is going to be as ugly a scene as you can imagine."

Last night, Mayor Ray Nagin said his entire police force would be pulled off the streets by tomorrow and all firefighters, paramedics and emergency dispatchers also were being sidelined. They will be sent to Baton Rouge for evaluation and counseling, he said.

http://tinyurl.com/7s9nn (Seattle Times)

It's a mini Armageddon. Isn't it? Floods, fires, complete panic, total ruin.
A lot of people were expecting this.
Now what?

Exuisite post, Sally.
The judgement factor.

At this point, Bush, Roberts and all of them are insignificant in this whole picture. This is a result of exactly where our society is right now and the WH residents are the end result, not the cause. All the blame and even impeachment will not fix the profound breakdown of our country, although it could be a start. But the sooner we see the sociological, psychological, political, and spiritual factors behind this the sooner the fix will come.
It is a time for education and a huge step forward in awareness along with everything else that must be done.

All these high and mighty countries around the world are also afraid as they know these problems exist in their societies as well.

The sooner we get going and move right past these temporary office holders the better.

I feel our whole nation has been in paralysis for some time and I also get the feeling that the arousal and time for action has come.

Seriously different leadership styles
http://tinyurl.com/e4ke6

I believe as well that our six month steady holding of Mars in Taurus can help us with strength.

Right on, sister. Right on.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/090505Landes/090

Patricia, that link is not working. Can you fix it?

OK. This is probably going to irritate the "my truth is the only truth" crowd, but here 'tis:

http://www.rense.com/general67/wmds.htm

Pat C

Maybe this will work:

(www.EcoTalk.org)

The most important thing right now is to stay calm and focused. Not to panic as the fear mongers would like.
It does no good to fear this monster that hovers above us and is out to annihilate all of us.
It's not true. It's the spook factor. Don't feed it power. Look to the source of your own fear, because right there is the source of your courage.

I already see some good things that will come out of this.

The first of 1000 evacuees coming to my Western town have arrived. This the most prejudice free place I've seen in the country which is why I live here. I lived once in new Orleans. We take good care of our homeless and there are usually jobs available. We are not overcrowded and it is a lively, vibrant, friendly city. I guarantee we will treat these folks well.
1000 people will probably have a better life. It's almost like another Underground Railroad getting people out of bondage from this literally sinking city.(It was already sinking before the storm as many overcrowded cities are.)
People are being sent everywhere in the nation and many will be more assimilated into the fabric of society as a result, many with an improved life.

Sally,

Your last post is one of the best things you've ever written. I was reading quickly at first and actually went back to see what wonderful and well-known writer had written it. A joy to find it was our own dear Sally

It was so clear, so concise, so saying- everything- important-and-needed.

Thank you

Gallup Refuses To Run Poll Asking Americans If Bush Should Be Impeached
Greg Szymanski

Independent democrats say Gallup's response is dishonest and the company is using a double standard when considering the nationwide poll run during the Clinton presidency.

Behind the scenes, independent Democrats who are not “bought and paid off ” by the neo-cons have been pushing the Gallup Poll organization to conduct a nationwide inquiry, asking Americans if they support the impeachment of President George Bush.

But Gallup officials this week categorically refused to poll Americans, telling Bob Fertik, Democrats for Unity president until impeachment was discussed by congressional leaders or news commentators in the media, it was their official policy to refrain from asking hypothetical questions.

Frank Newport, Gallup Poll editor-in-chief, wrote in response to Fertik:

“The general procedure Gallup uses to determine what to ask about in our surveys is to measure the issues and concerns that are being discussed in the public domain. We will certainly ask Americans about their views on impeaching George W. Bush if, and when, there is some discussion of that possibility by congressional leaders, and/or if commentators begin discussing it in the news media. That has not happened to date.”

...Fertik also called to Gallup’s attention that many discussions of impeachment have appeared in the media, including statements or references made in the made by Pat Buchanan, Rep. Maurice Hinchey, Dan Froomkin, John Zogby, Keith Olberman. Mark Morford, Rush Limbaugh. Rep. Charlie Rangel, Alan Combes, Ralph Nader, Lyndon LaRouche and John Dean.

Further, Fertik reminded Gallup editors that a poll to impeach former President Clinton appeared in January1998, shortly after allegations about his affair with an intern surfaced, the poll being taken with much less public fanfare than Bush is receiving over a host of possible impeachable offenses.

.... The question of the Bush impeachment has been a hot topic on the internet with millions of people all over the world discussing the subject. Further, internet bloggers have marveled at the ability of Bush, called the “Teflon President” to avoid impeachment due to a government that has basically turned into a one party system or, as some say, a dictatorship in the guise of democracy.

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/32636.htm

MORE

Distribution of population is one of our most pressing worldwide problems. Overcrowded cities will have to breakdown and populations will be dispersed in order for us to continue. It's a part of nature. You must keep population in keeping with what the plot of land can sustain.

For what it is worth, the chart for land fall of hurricaine Katrina (placidus) has the ascendent conjunct the fixed star Regulus within one degree (the ascendent is at 0 Virgo), and Busch on the cusp of the 4th at 27 Scorpio opposing the fixed star Caput Algol at 28 Taurus conjunct the MC. The asteroid Chaos is in the 10th at 7 Gemini conjunct Juno (the whirl wind, among many definitions). The asteroid Hel is at 0 Capricorn, 10 degrees from transiting Pluto and 5 degrees from the chart's vertex at 5 Capricorn.

Mercury, which rules the ascendent is in the 12th, awash in confusion opposing Neptune in the 6th. The Sun in the first house opposes Uranus in the 7th, squaring Chaos and Juno in the 10th.

Capricorn, the sign on the fixed fifth house of gambling, creativity, speculation and children, finds it's ruler also in the 12th at 5 Leo, which puts a lid on further acts of gambling, both in the literal sense and in the realm of this administration's thinking (a hurricaine of this magnitude won't happen here; we will wager that it won't happen and send money to Iraq instead). Whatever creative, constuctive plans necessary to rebuild this city, this state and surrounding areas will be confused, slow and perhaps ridden by karmic influences. And a few secret deals are in the offing. Still, Chiron is in the 5th at 28 Capricorn, trining Caput Algol and the MC in Taurus. Perhaps the wounded healer, which so often wounds before it helps to heal will aid the reconstructive process.

The hubris of the Venus/Jupiter in Libra conjunct the South Node in the 2nd house of finance and values remind me of the chart of the destruction of Pearl Harbor, wherein one saw the same type of signature.

These are just a few of my impresssions reading this chart.

Oh, I almost forgot. The moon which is in Libra today is square the the moon of a week ago which was at 8 Cancer.

Lucky Duckies

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001054719

Barbara Bush: Things Working Out "Very Well" for Poor Evacuees from New Orleans

snip

In a segment at the top of the show on the surge of evacuees to the Texas city, Barbara Bush said: "Almost everyone I’ve talked to wants to move to Houston."

Then she added: "What I’m hearing is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed with the hospitality.

"And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway so this (she chuckled)--this is working very well for them."

My apologies again Janet. I'm soo sorry. I hope you forgive me, because I would love to have a better "report" with you in the future.

I really feel that we are saying some of the samethings but coming at it from different angles. I so agree with what so many are saying. I agree with "E" and his post and hopefully we will get to that point one day.

I am just upset that my friends suffered so much and no one came to help them. I think that there is a regional inequality when my friends saw supply trucks going straight into NOLA and just passing them by while they were hungry and a 90 year old man was dying of thirst.

I'm not blaming anyone for this but a inept federal response. This is personal to me because it has effected my friends.

Post again Janet, I want to know if you are okay.

This is such a warm story.

http://tinyurl.com/ad27q

KATRINA'S AFTERMATH

He Held Their Lives in His Tiny Hands

BATON ROUGE, La. — In the chaos that was Causeway Boulevard, this group of refugees stood out: a 6-year-old boy walking down the road, holding a 5-month-old, surrounded by five toddlers who followed him around as if he were their leader.

They were holding hands. Three of the children were about 2 years old, and one was wearing only diapers. A 3-year-old girl, who wore colorful barrettes on the ends of her braids, had her 14-month-old brother in tow. The 6-year-old spoke for all of them, and he told rescuers his name was Deamonte Love.

More...

Another gem from "the beautiful mind" as heard on Marketplace:

In a segment at the top of the show on the surge of evacuees to the Texas city, Barbara Bush said: "Almost everyone I’ve talked to wants to move to Houston."
Then she added: "What I’m hearing is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed with the hospitality.
"And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway so this (she chuckled)--this is working very well for them."

It is entirely accurate now to say that our leader is a son of a bitch.

Kryon on Hurricane Katrina....
Years ago we told you of these things. We told you of a changing earth, and about the weather intensifying. Now it is here. Human consciousness is shifting and Gaia is responding. With this shift carries a new paradigm of weather for your planet. It's a new cycle, and it's going to be with you for at least another 5 years, perhaps more......
http://www.kryon.com/inspiritmag/articles/kryon/katrina_9.1.html

Larry, yes indeed.

http://www.gregpalast.com/

THE GRINCH THAT STOLE LABOR DAY FROM VETERANS
Reprint from WorkingForChange.com & Morphizm.Com
Monday, September 5, 2005
by Greg Palast

In celebration of the working person's holiday, Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao has announced the Bush Administration's plan to end the 60-year-old law which requires employers to pay time-and-a-half for overtime.

More...

Impeach Bush/Cheney/
Senators/Reps For
Dereliction Of Duty
By Michael Shore (Israel)
9-5-5

Impeach Bush, Cheney, Senators, Congresmen For Dereliction Of Duty

Any company would fire everyone in a position of leadership for causing the deaths and suffering of its people, when their actions could have saved lives and even prevented much of the death and destruction that has happened in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama.

This is not about political parties, this is about individuals who FAILED to do their jobs. There are no excuses. Bush was even on the golf course the day after hurricane Katrina which is beyond appalling. Where were the Vice President, Congressmen, Senators and the heads of every government agency?

http://www.rense.com/general67/mpeach.htm

OMG....Barbara's 'beautiful mind' is rotting....well....there must be a guillotine with her name on it somewhere....this is SO 1793.....

Pat C,

Ja my dear friend, my mother phoned to tell me the story of 6 year old Deamonte Love. My he inspire many with his matter of fact facing of events.

tseka

The Brits have W's number...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/stevebell/archive/0,14955,1284265,00.html

I dont know if you are aware that "Sharon" who often posts here lived in New Orleans.

I've heard from her and she and her husband got out and are safe, spent a couple of days at somebody's house in Northern Louisiana with other people, now are moving to a motel for a couple of days, then going to Baton Rouge for a couple of days to stay in someone's condo, and then going back to New Orleans hoping that their home is livable. They are also talking of re-locating but I think they are kind of in shock as all the dislocated people are and are not sure of what they're doing.

He is my hero tseka. He is so beautiful.

.........

The following is from Katrina Vanden Heuvel's column on thenation.com. The staff of the Times Picayune needs our help. She reminds us that it was the "heroic" reporting f the staff that revealed the vast failure of the Administration.

Friends,

As many as half of New Orleans Times-Picayune staffers--from senior editors to receptionists and printers--and their families apparently lost their homes in the horrible aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. They lost everything.

Newhouse Newspapers, which owns the paper, has extended salaries for a period of time and offered other benefits, whether or not employees can make it to work. Heroically, the paper continues to publish on the web (www.nola.com) and now in print.

But what our friends are facing is staggering, unimaginable.

Please help by contributing whatever money you can. Please note, that because we had to set up this fund in a hurry, contributions are not yet tax deductible. You can send money via electronic transfer from your bank or by check to: "Friends of the Times-Picayune" With checks payable to Sterling Bank, Account #151027625 Mail to: Sterling Bank Bayou Bend Office 5757 Memorial Drive Houston, Texas 77007-8000

Please forward this note to others in your news organization, friends, professional groups or websites for posting.

WV, Bush & Co. may just "lose their heads" over this. That chart I mentioned earlier of Katrina's landfall. Asteroid Busch forms a horrific t square with Regulus, and Caput Algol. Translation, the king might loose his head.

In my previous posting when I first looked at the chart, I forgot to mention another fixed t square, and that was Mars at 15 Taurus in the 9th square Mercury in Leo in the 12, and square Neptune in the 6th in Aquarius. This isn't going to go away.

Beasley, finally the hubris sticks!!

Pallas, do you know if Sharon is in any need of financial help?

Travieso,

It is good to be upset by what happened to your friends, have compassion for their experience and worry about what comes next for them.. i share them.

May you take your anger and your upset, deerheart, and use it well.

Katrina for all it's destruction is a good focusing lens. It shows up in a dramatic way the smaller dramas going on everyday in this country.

As a long term care Ombusdman(volunteer), i see suffering, needless suffering. i see callousness and i see pragmatic bean counting over a man's life and the care he gets.

We each of us need think sereiously about how we personally respond to the call of our neighbors -i know we are all sooooo busy but you would be surprised what an hour or two a week can accompish if only because when decision-makers are aware of an outside presence it forces them to act more appropriately.

tseka

Pallas, please keep us abreast of what's going on with Sharon. I know that many of the "better off" victims are beginning to run out of money and "maxing out" their credit cards. If worse comes to worse, we should have an astroworld "fund drive" to help her out. Astroworlders are such good people I know she will get soemthing.

Gosh, Pat C, that (Barbara Bush's remark) is so chilling. We all know she and the Family feel that way, but hearing it is still creepy.

In the late 60s I kept hearing about "soul" but didn't know exactly what it was. Then one day the light came on when I saw an example of just what Sally described, "valuing humanity and each individual soul." That's soul. It just shines out of some people and they connect with others at that humane and generous level. Maybe it could be called strong, intuitive empathy.

Our current national leaders clearly don't have Soul. Their appeal is to the reptilian brain as someone remarked in an earlier thread.

Beasley,

If only this will be truth and as he goes so goes his entire lot.

tseka, thanks for the advise. It's good to hear it. My friend has five relatives at her house right now so I'm going to be doing some of the cooking and cleaning to help her out. Also, her uncle is ill and needs meds so I was going to take him around on arrands and get him the services he needs.

Thank you so much for keeping us in mind. To be honest, I'm about to cry right now. It is just so upsetting. Like a true Aries unfortunately, crying is when I truly breakdown. I don't do it enough.

Thank you so much and peace be with you.

Pallas, as we say here, "vaya con dios y espero que los angelitos te miran todos los dias".

"god be with you and I hope all the angels look down on you everyday."

Paz y harmonia

Sally,
Let me join with the others to say how much i appreciated the post upthread.

Morgana,
i thank you also for you wisdom and your gifts to this place.

i am pleased to find you both, you are treasures.
tseka

http://www.democrats.com/node/5970
Après Moi le Deluge
by Paul Jay, Chair, IWTnews
The leader of the most powerful country on earth, with an unquestioned faith in his divine right to rule and the absolute power of the centralized state, was the namesake for Louisiana.
When he died in 1715, Louis XIV had built France into the dominant power in Europe, but he bankrupted the nation, forcing him to levy high taxes on the peasantry while the nobility paid none at all. Most people lived in poverty while the King built an empire.
During the empire’s demise his great great grandson Louis XV ruled France and its possessions, which included the colonial city of New Orleans. He lived for indulgence and luxury as his people descended further into despair. It is said near his end he uttered the words “Après moi le deluge.” After me come the floods.
Centuries later, the people of New Orleans met those floods, as contemporary rulers -- political and economic -- abandoned them to their fate. The words “Après moi le deluge” have come to epitomise the psychology of those who ruin people and the earth with no thought for tomorrow, and the destruction of New Orleans will stand as the naked exposure of a fading American dream. (MORE!)

Barbara, I was just thinking that Tseka might be able to teach Babs about a beautiful mind, particularly since Babs actually thinks she has one. Perhaps Sally and Nancy could do this. I know Morgana would just kick her in the rear, as would I.

Travieso....you will find some solace, I think in crying. then as an Aries, action...

First Heart, then Mind......we are all angry....and I wasn't kidding about the guillotine.....or posting the Apres moi, le deluge..."

Been thinking about Barbara Bush and considering maybe changing my sign-in name on this site.

Then remembered a 1942 Life magazine article about US Army basic training. One of the GI's family name was Hitler. The Look reporter asked Private Hitler if he was going to change his name.

The GI replied, "Let the other guy change his."

(I consider that the most wonderfully American remark.)

Pat C,
EEERRRR um excuse me but i happen to think i'm a quite good "butt-kicker" and i know some people who would set you straight on that!!!

Thank you Judi. I think this is why I love Astroworld. I can write about my feelings and "issues" to like minded people. It is really powerful. I think I let my feelings out when I write (Mercury in Pisces conjunct Venus). I really owe Astroworld much gratitude for being a place for people like us. I mean, most people would understand Venus conjunct Mercury in Pisces, but you all sure do.

Pat, Travieso ,

I gather people are offering them their homes for a couple of days here and there - and I'm sure that will save them some money - someone else in
Florida and I have offered to have them come and
it seems Sharon intends to come to Florida at some point.

She doesn't know when she can get to a computer again, but when I hear from her I'll let you know.
She says her "cyber address" is the most permanent address she has right now. An irony.

ROFL! Tseka, I know that for sure! You still have a beautiful mind though. I'm still working on it.

Thanks Pallas. I will hold Sharon and her family in my best thoughts.

Tseka...we all of us at AW, or most of us, by job description in this life, seem to be butt kickers.....with totally REAL beautiful minds and big thick boots....

I'm feeling too much like a warrior to be beautiful.

An image i like very much a community of very beautifully minded butt kickers. i'm home.

:-D

I happened to spend most of the day rearranging my studio....because I moved in 6 months ago, and you can't make good design decisons while moving....it was really a cleanup attempt. I picked up 3 old Nat'l Geographics I'd gotten...one from 1994...and in it was the story on the flooding of Iowa (completely) and all of the surrounding states during the Clinton years. These were all white people, farmers and small business owners....but the affected area was even larger. The difference was FEMA and Clinton....the response was fast.

This was also the result of earlier years with levies that broke, as the Mississippi overloaded itself with the winter runoff from a very huge snow fall.....

It seems to me we need people and politicians and a White House which values this country long term (another disaster was the 1975 Grand Teton dam collapse).....rethinking all of these dams, levies, etc....they are all over the country. Sacramento, CA has 5 dams, all of them sitting on quake zones, and lots of levies (some of them broke a few years ago in the rains).....because our infrastructure has gone to hell.

Next the neothugs will be selling off the rights to water and selling loans to us like a 3rd world country ..... they are Argenitina-izing the US for profit.

Yup those Bushes are quite familiar with Banana Republics.

http://waynemadsenreport.com/

FEMA Outsourced New Orleans
Disaster Plans To
Political Cronies/Donors
9-4-5

FEMA privatized hurricane disaster recovery planning for New Orleans and
Southeastern Louisiana. The firms that received the contract are big GOP
contributors. Adding to the controversy regarding the Army Corps of
Engineers diverting $250 million from the SELA (Southeast Louisiana)
Urban Flood Control Program to Iraq and Halliburton reconstruction
projects, is the revelation that FEMA outsourced hurricane recovery
planning to the Baton Rouge-based consulting firm Innovative Emergency
Management (IEM), Inc. to develop a "Catastrophic Hurricane Disaster Plan
for New Orleans & Southeast Louisiana."

More...

Dear Mrs. Herbert Walker Bush......
Mrs. Bush,

Watching you get air time on national television is like being interrupted by a carnival barker during Taps. You shouldn`t bother. I suggest you get back to your favorite spare-time activity, counting gold ingots in the drawing room.

If it was up to me, I`d fit you with one of those electronic ankle bracelets like Martha Stewart wore, just to get a handle on your whereabouts. I wouldn`t let you mingle with regular people because of your serious parenting failures which produced that Born-Again Psycho in the White House. You are one cold woman.

Now you tell us that Louisiana`s evacuees are "better off" because they`re in Texas? Why? Is that where their families are? Is that where they keep their childhood photos and their favorite houseplants? Is that where their dog is, their grandfather`s hammer?
You mean the Christmas decoration their six-year old made is in Texas? Right beside their best old slippers? Underneath the blanket they were knitting for their new Grandbaby?

Here`s a suggestion. Next time you want to share your humorous quips with America, stop yourself. Just say no. I don`t care how many sets of Norman Rockwell pearls you own, I don`t want to hear any more from you. Instead, go to a bunch of yard sales until you find an old copy of Dr. Spock. Turn to the chapter on blowing up frogs. Read it. Read it again.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2065855&mesg_id=2065855

http://mgno.com/

This journal has become the Survival of New Orleans blog. In less perilous times it was simply a blog for me to talk smack and chat with friends. Now this journal exists to share firsthand experience of the disaster and its aftermath with anyone interested.

Pallas, please let Sharon know how much we appreciate her determination to stay in touch with us best she can. She has been very much on our minds and in our hearts. Oh, and thank you, too.

http://phoenixwoman.blogspot.com/

The Katrina Timeline

From the link above

John Roberts supported apartheid

"In other political news, the NY Times reports that Roberts believed opposition to apartheid was based on Marxism and support for communism"

Pat C
it's a concerted effort to return the country to pre 1937, dumping the new deal and the great american society. The fast track is using court cases involving interstate commerce laws. Roberts is so young i shudder. This is Grover Norquit's plan. They are so brazen i think they must believe that nothing can stop them now.

Pat thank you for the compliment, albeit I'd more likely hurt myself taking a punch at Bab's. My weapon of choice is the pen.

It's my hope that everyone here who posted their thoughts have posted the same to their Senators, Congressman, and media outlets.

Trevesio, et al: Here is my take and it feels right. The reason NOLA (and the only reason) got aid first is because there were far more cameras there. People outside NOLA could see the suffering. They could not in the other areas. The reporters didn't go there, except parts of MS, and there was no publicity. It's that simply. Had there been no cameras in NOLA, there would be very little aid by now. It's not race, it's not class, it's the availability of information. Thank God enough reporters have a heart and told the damn truth for a change.

Judy G and those of you who doubt the Democratic Party's response to the tragedy and think they're just going to to their normal wimpy thing, look at this...Oh My God...it's stunning.

No more modest proposals for these Democrats:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=3960423&mesg_id=3960423

Hmmm maybe i missed something here Mike, it's a satirical presentation- sorry
we all wish it
Hilary was down in the astrodome with Babs today. Sadly.

Mike, i do agree with your obsevation that aid is going where the spotlight shines. Too many stories tell that when the spotlight moves so does the aid.

tseka, it has certainly been a concerted effort...perpetual punches to the solar plexus of the soul of the origins of this govement and those people who were just trying to live and blind to what our government was doing to everyone in our name. Now they are out there for the entirity of humanity to see. Stranglely this come at a time when most of the media is wholely owned by corporate, Bush's base, and the picture is being distorted.

They want it all, and in their eyes we don't deserve to have any. But in our eyes, they are vicious criminals with no useful soul.

I haven't been able to hate yet, but I've come pretty close.

Mike, I think this was put up by the Satire Division.

Right under the "report" of the event, it had
Dream Works
Satire Division

Then under that there numerous notes cursing because it was a hoax.

Morgana, your pen is sharp.

I have to give up on trying to think clearly and let my dream state take over.

Namaste AW.

With that "disaster capitalism," we see that New Orleans is just another of the latest of genociding people so that NOLA can be "reconstructed" as a parody of itself... a disneyland-ized copy of the original so that the very wealthy have someplace else to play. The whole world is to be turned into a sort of Stepford Wives inorganic plastic video game, built over one solid mass grave, for those who've nothing else to do. A literal psychotic world dreamed up in the heads of dissociated psychotic... well, I don't think they can be called "human"... just copies of human. You know? That may be awfully close to the truth.

It's also awfully dark-side aquarian... cheney is aquarian. Some have said he's the real brains behind all these troubles. Yea, verily...

I still say that Poppy Bush is the real "Phantom Menace", Joanna. Just like Senator Palpatine, he maintains a veneer of civility, and manages to fool many who are less aware of the presence of a vampire with no reflection.

Ask yourself sometime how much you really know about Bush Sr. And I'm not talking about the manufactured campaign press releases, either. What do we really know about this man and his personality? Then, try asking yourself that about all of the other presidents in recent modern history.

Cheney is like Count Dooku/Darth Tyrannus. He still sneaks around in the dark, but isn't quite as concerned about maintaining his image.

As a follow up to PatC's post at 4:15, I checked out this IEM who supposedly did the emergency management plan for NO.
Check out the executive's profiles:
Woman president - haven't checked her out but possibly put there to take advantage of minority woman pr & funding benefits?
The rest of them, 4 male VP's, all have experience/connections with DOD, military and focus on chemical weapons WMDs etc. No wonder we have a mess. Richard Haley, Ted Lemcke, Charles Kelly, Wayne Thomas. Not much here as far as comprehensive biography on any of them.
http://www.ieminc.com/Products_and_Services/productservice.htm

sdfsdfdsfsdfdsfdsfdsfdsfdsfdsf

Sally....this is an incredible piece of exposure....Danta ....the feminine of Dante, I am guessing....all of us in the hell of these GOP brain thrusts (couldn't not call them a 'trust'....)

Pat C....the Mark Crispin Miller piece you sent me....is it online? Is there a url?

NeoBuckeye.....the phantom menace has something to do with this....but I think Rove-Norquist has supplied the plan and implimentation....along with all the other hollow souled and hollow eyed spooky supporters of this agenda.....

Thanks, Pallas, for posting about me, and thanks Pat C and all for asking if I'm ok financially. So far I think I am. We have some cash and our credit cards won't be maxed out for a while + I am with some VERY resourceful and well connected people, or so it seems.

I wrote to Pallas yesterday and told her I might not have an internet connection after leaving the place I had stayed in for a week, but Myron managed to set me up on dial up out of my hotel room. (Myron left to go down to Jefferson parish where they are letting people in. He's not supposed to stay but he plans on staying there in a place that's safe).

Anyway, I will keep up with this board when possible. I'll be at this motel through Wed. night and then on to Baton Rouge to share an apartment with 5 other people. We have many animals with us and will need to find temporary shelter, but are keeping this lined up.

My friend sent me a site for hurricane housing --- www.hurricanehousing.org --- that is being offered so please pass it around.

I'll check back later.

Love to all of you. You are such good friends.
Sharon

Sharon, wow.....you are a lucky one, and it is good that you have prevailed....blessings, I hope you and your friends and animals have a very open path to the future.....

bob Fertik posted this:
Before Katrina devastated the Gulf Coast, George Bush's top priority for September was permanent repeal of the Estate Tax. Repealing the estate tax would cost $75 billion a year in federal revenue and over a trillion dollars overall.
http://www.democrats.com/node/5984

I left 4 eggs boiling on the stove at 8:30 am, and left my apartment.....and promptly forgot them - got back 2 1/2 hrs later. I mention this only because I have done this before in my life during times when crisis has induced someother state of mind...perhaps my leaving spiritually and moving to Mars....wait, Mars is having erruptions (http://tinyurl.com/82kvt )....well, OK then, Saturn....and when I get back, they have exploded all over the kitchen. Sort of explains where I've been in this situation.....but I save this for the really bad stuff.....

Everyone here in SF expects the next disaster to be the predicted (64% chance)of a huge earthquake here soon. A repub. friend just said to me that we shouldn't expect the fed gov to 'save' us, and why didn't ALL the people leave NO? (Indeed...why, rez Bush, why?) I pointed out that it is one of the main priorities of the Fed Gov TO protect the public....but I am not saying she is wrong, either....we should be prepared in every way, because there will be no food, water, or health care. But that is no excuse for what THIS gov. has done. I'm ready to go boil more eggs and leave.

I sent the piece by Keith Olbermann to a friend and he wrote back a little tidbit which I didn't know or realize:

Chernoff has dual citizenship with Israel. What's he doing as Secretary of homeland security?

Raw Story reporting on GHWB telling Larry King that his son is being 'unfairly criticized".

Another report....Homeland Secuity apparently told a funeral home direc. to expect 40K bodies...

and to add to the misery, Senator Stupid Santorum is suggesting sanctions against those who stayed - didn't evacuate. " There may be a need to look at tougher penalties on those who decide to ride it out and understand that there are consequences to not leaving"

well...more at Raw Story...

THIS VIDEO WAS MADE FOR THIS SITE...it is profoundly sensitive, compassionate, and riveting.

"Grace at Camp Casey" the most honest video I've seen.

http://www.current.tv/studio/media/464902.htm

------------------------------------------------

Thanks again for you help prevoiusly!

New here, well i have come to this wonderful site many times to read but this is the first time i have posted here. I am one of the many TMA message board refugee's.

I am very much still a student of Astrology. And I am not offering any astro aspects to this comment. I am compelled to say this about our Current Weather Events and MR. Bush. I am no way suprised that the Elements/Storms are nailing the area's being hit. Yet I feel great pain seeing The Elements thrashing the Gulf Coast. Mr. Bush and Hundreds of fellow Republicians are all members of the Bohiem Club. They have not hidden that they practice Peganism at the Bohiem Grove in Monte Rio Ca. They have events yearly, this is where the goverment has planned if not most of the Wars the U.S.Goverment created/or got our people involved in.

The history of this club and their rituals have been happening for many many years.( practice/worship of element etc ) Please do not mistake this note here as judgememnt on others ways of worship, for this is not my intent.

It is my intent to say if I may, I believe that this is just the beginning of a long and coming Karmic Debt that is demanding to be paid in full and again its our life's and Animals life's being messed with. I do know that all that have passed on due to the storm and those that are feeling shock-bewildered-scared are going to be ok, but they are changed forever and when life is changed by trauma this create's what some call Stress Disorder's. Yes I realise that they will overcome with much love, support and Faith. Blessings of Love and Strenght to all.

I can see at times Panic on Bush's face when he speaks to the media, then the next day a smirk on his face as if he realise's what is happening with these storms. Just like the day when Our Governor ( also a member of the Boheim) (please pardon my bad spelling) of Calif was sworn in, Half southern calif caught on fire. I am happy to say I did not Vote for this Goverment nor will I ever.

As I write this I am feeling very aware that there is nothing to do but Pray, give assistance, and see that all of these storms could be Divine Intervention, and its knocking on BUSH'S Front Door.

Pray for all of the Creatures that have been created, Our Animal Friends need our help. Blessing to all

Posted by colleen/caile at September 24, 2005 05:34 AM

I can't help but wonder what rock you were born under, after reading this article. I am currently gaduating with a Bachelor's of Political Science from Ohio University, and the outlook I see for the Democratic party is very grim. It seems as though they will stoop to anything, from trying to change the voting system we have relied on for 200 years, to playing on the tragedies of others to finger point and name call. As a student of political science I am embarrassed for our nation at the behaviors portrayed by the Democratic party over the past few decades. The only thing beneficial I can see in this article is the consolation of just how desperate the Democratic party must be. However, you must quit bad mouthing and discrediting the leaders of our country. It is these shameful tactics that portray our country as weak and open us up to tragedies such as the World Trade Center. Don't forget that we are all Americans here and in this together.

http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adult_dating_personals.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/index.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/free-adult-dating-personals.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adultonlinedatingandpersonals.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adult.dating.free.online.personals.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adult_california_dating_personals.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adultdatingontariopersonals.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adultaustraliadatingpersonals.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adult-dating-personals-texas.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adult-dating-new-personals-york.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/personals.adult.dating.michigan.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adult.dating.personals.florida.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adultadultadultdatingonenightstanddatecompersonalspersonals.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adult-dating-finder-friend-personals.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adult.dating.illinois.personals.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adult-adult-dating-onenightstanddatecom-personals.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adult.dating.jersey.new.personals.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adult-dating-georgia-personals.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adult_dating_ohio_personals.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adult-dating-kingdom-personals-united.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adultdatingpennsylvaniapersonals.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adult_dating_personals_quebec.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adult_carolina_dating_north_personals.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adult.dating.personals.virginia.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adult-chicago-dating-gay-personals.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adult_alberta_dating_personals.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adult_adult_adult_adult_dating_dating_onenightstanddatecom_personals_personals.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adult_dating_indiana_personals.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adult.dating.personals.tennessee.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adult-dating-personals-wisconsin.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adult.arizona.dating.personals.html
http://adult-dating-personals.bkm-m.info/adult.carolina.dating.personals.south.html

http://vine-grove-kentucky-real-estate.poukh.info/ vine grove kentucky real estate
http://vine-grove-kentucky-real-estate.poukh.info/index.html vine grove kentucky real estate
http://vine-grove-kentucky-real-estate.poukh.info/vine-grove-kentucky-real-estate.html vine grove kentucky real estate

http://cheesy-potato-recipe.poukh.info/ cheesy potato recipe
http://cheesy-potato-recipe.poukh.info/cheesy-hash-brown-potato-recipe.html cheesy hash brown potato recipe
http://cheesy-potato-recipe.poukh.info/cheesy-hashbrown-potato-recipe.html cheesy hashbrown potato recipe
http://cheesy-potato-recipe.poukh.info/cheesy-mashed-potato-recipe.html cheesy mashed potato recipe
http://cheesy-potato-recipe.poukh.info/cheesy-potato-recipe.html cheesy potato recipe
http://cheesy-potato-recipe.poukh.info/cheesy-potato-soup-recipe.html cheesy potato soup recipe
http://cheesy-potato-recipe.poukh.info/cheesy-scalloped-potato-recipe.html cheesy scalloped potato recipe
http://cheesy-potato-recipe.poukh.info/crock-pot-cheesy-potato-recipe.html crock pot cheesy potato recipe
http://cheesy-potato-recipe.poukh.info/easy-cheesy-potato-recipe.html easy cheesy potato recipe
http://cheesy-potato-recipe.poukh.info/index.html cheesy potato recipe
http://cheesy-potato-recipe.poukh.info/recipe-for-cheesy-potato-casserole.html recipe for cheesy potato casserole

http://potato-leek-soup-recipe.vpgf2.info/ potato leek soup recipe
http://potato-leek-soup-recipe.vpgf2.info/index.html potato leek soup recipe
http://potato-leek-soup-recipe.vpgf2.info/potato-leek-soup-recipe.html potato leek soup recipe

http://irish-potato-candy-recipe.flgju.info/ irish potato candy recipe
http://irish-potato-candy-recipe.flgju.info/candy-irish-potato-potato-recipe-without.html candy irish potato potato recipe without
http://irish-potato-candy-recipe.flgju.info/index.html irish potato candy recipe
http://irish-potato-candy-recipe.flgju.info/irish-potato-candy-recipe.html irish potato candy recipe

http://potato-pancake-recipe.poukh.info/ mashed potato pancake recipe
http://potato-pancake-recipe.poukh.info/easy-potato-pancake-recipe.html easy potato pancake recipe
http://potato-pancake-recipe.poukh.info/german-potato-pancake-recipe.html german potato pancake recipe
http://potato-pancake-recipe.poukh.info/index.html mashed potato pancake recipe
http://potato-pancake-recipe.poukh.info/irish-potato-pancake-recipe.html irish potato pancake recipe
http://potato-pancake-recipe.poukh.info/mashed-potato-pancake-recipe.html mashed potato pancake recipe
http://potato-pancake-recipe.poukh.info/polish-potato-pancake-recipe.html polish potato pancake recipe
http://potato-pancake-recipe.poukh.info/potato-pancake-recipe.html potato pancake recipe
http://potato-pancake-recipe.poukh.info/sweet-potato-pancake-recipe.html sweet potato pancake recipe

http://au-gratin-potato.vpgf2.info/ au gratin potato
http://au-gratin-potato.vpgf2.info/au-gratin-potato-betty-crocker.html au gratin potato betty crocker
http://au-gratin-potato.vpgf2.info/au-gratin-potato-recipe.html au gratin potato recipe
http://au-gratin-potato.vpgf2.info/au-gratin-potato.html au gratin potato
http://au-gratin-potato.vpgf2.info/crock-pot-au-gratin-potato.html crock pot au gratin potato
http://au-gratin-potato.vpgf2.info/easy-potato-au-gratin.html easy potato au gratin
http://au-gratin-potato.vpgf2.info/ham-and-potato-au-gratin.html ham and potato au gratin
http://au-gratin-potato.vpgf2.info/index.html au gratin potato
http://au-gratin-potato.vpgf2.info/scalloped-potato-au-gratin.html scalloped potato au gratin

http://irish-potato-famine.flgju.info/ irish potato famine
http://irish-potato-famine.flgju.info/1845-1849-irish-potato-famine.html 1845 1849 irish potato famine
http://irish-potato-famine.flgju.info/1845-famine-irish-of-potato-the.html 1845 famine irish of potato the
http://irish-potato-famine.flgju.info/cause-effect-famine-irish-potato.html cause effect famine irish potato
http://irish-potato-famine.flgju.info/cause-of-the-irish-potato-famine.html cause of the irish potato famine
http://irish-potato-famine.flgju.info/diary-famine-irish-potato.html diary famine irish potato
http://irish-potato-famine.flgju.info/great-irish-potato-famine.html great irish potato famine
http://irish-potato-famine.flgju.info/index.html irish potato famine
http://irish-potato-famine.flgju.info/irish-potato-famine-and-immigration.html irish potato famine and immigration
http://irish-potato-famine.flgju.info/irish-potato-famine-lesson-plan.html irish potato famine lesson plan
http://irish-potato-famine.flgju.info/irish-potato-famine-picture.html irish potato famine picture
http://irish-potato-famine.flgju.info/irish-potato-famine.html irish potato famine

http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-in-a-crock-pot.vpgf2.info/ corned beef and cabbage in a crock pot
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-in-a-crock-pot.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-and-cabbage-crock-pot-recipe.html corned beef and cabbage crock pot recipe
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-in-a-crock-pot.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-and-cabbage-in-a-crock-pot.html corned beef and cabbage in a crock pot
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-in-a-crock-pot.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe-in-a-crock-pot.html corned beef and cabbage recipe in a crock pot
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-in-a-crock-pot.vpgf2.info/crock-pot-corned-beef-and-cabbage.html crock pot corned beef and cabbage
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-in-a-crock-pot.vpgf2.info/crock-pot-corned-beef-cabbage-potato.html crock pot corned beef cabbage potato
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-in-a-crock-pot.vpgf2.info/index.html corned beef and cabbage in a crock pot

http://slow-cooker-corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.poukh.info/ slow cooker corned beef and cabbage recipe
http://slow-cooker-corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.poukh.info/index.html slow cooker corned beef and cabbage recipe
http://slow-cooker-corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.poukh.info/recipe-for-corned-beef-and-cabbage-in-a-slow-cooker.html recipe for corned beef and cabbage in a slow cooker
http://slow-cooker-corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.poukh.info/slow-cooker-corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.html slow cooker corned beef and cabbage recipe

http://crock-pot-corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/
http://crock-pot-corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-and-cabbage-crock-pot-recipe.html
http://crock-pot-corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-and-cabbage-in-a-crock-pot.html
http://crock-pot-corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe-in-a-crock-pot.html
http://crock-pot-corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/crock-pot-corned-beef-and-cabbage.html
http://crock-pot-corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/crock-pot-corned-beef-cabbage-potato.html
http://crock-pot-corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/index.html

http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.flgju.info/ corned beef and cabbage recipe
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.flgju.info/authentic-beef-cabbage-corned-recipe.html authentic beef cabbage corned recipe
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.flgju.info/baked-corned-beef-cabbage-recipe.html baked corned beef cabbage recipe
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.flgju.info/beef-beef-cabbage-corned-recipe.html beef beef cabbage corned recipe
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.flgju.info/beef-best-cabbage-corned-recipe.html beef best cabbage corned recipe
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.flgju.info/beef-boiled-cabbage-corned-recipe.html beef boiled cabbage corned recipe
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.flgju.info/beef-cabbage-corned-dinner-recipe.html beef cabbage corned dinner recipe
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.flgju.info/beef-cabbage-corned-free-recipe.html beef cabbage corned free recipe
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.flgju.info/beef-cabbage-corned-guinness-recipe.html beef cabbage corned guinness recipe
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.flgju.info/beef-cabbage-corned-oven-recipe.html beef cabbage corned oven recipe
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.flgju.info/cabbage-with-canned-corned-beef-recipe.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.flgju.info/corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.html corned beef and cabbage recipe
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.flgju.info/corned-beef-and-cabbage-soup-recipe.html cabbage with canned corned beef recipe
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.flgju.info/corned-beef-brisket-and-cabbage-recipe.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.flgju.info/corned-beef-cabbage-beer-recipe.html corned beef cabbage beer recipe
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.flgju.info/easy-corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.html easy corned beef and cabbage recipe
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.flgju.info/good-recipe-for-corned-beef-cabbage.html good recipe for corned beef cabbage
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.flgju.info/index.html corned beef and cabbage recipe
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.flgju.info/irish-corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.html irish corned beef and cabbage recipe
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.flgju.info/quick-corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.html quick corned beef and cabbage recipe
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.flgju.info/recipe-for-corned-beef-and-cabbage-in-a-slow-cooker.html recipe for corned beef and cabbage in a slow cooker
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.flgju.info/recipe-for-corned-beef-potato-cabbage.html recipe for corned beef potato cabbage
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.flgju.info/slow-cooker-corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.html slow cooker corned beef and cabbage recipe
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.flgju.info/traditional-corned-beef-cabbage-recipe.html traditional corned beef cabbage recipe

http://skunk-cabbage.poukh.info/ skunk cabbage
http://skunk-cabbage.poukh.info/cabbage-killing-skunk.html cabbage killing skunk
http://skunk-cabbage.poukh.info/index.html skunk cabbage
http://skunk-cabbage.poukh.info/picture-of-skunk-cabbage.html picture of skunk cabbage
http://skunk-cabbage.poukh.info/skunk-cabbage.html skunk cabbage

http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/10-beef-cabbage-corned-dish-min.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/authentic-beef-cabbage-corned-recipe.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/baked-corned-beef-and-cabbage.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/baked-corned-beef-cabbage-recipe.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-beef-cabbage-corned-recipe.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-beef-cabbage-corned.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-beer-cabbage-corned-crock-pot.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-beer-cabbage-corned.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-best-cabbage-corned-recipe.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-boiled-cabbage-corned-recipe.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-boiled-cabbage-corned.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-boiling-cabbage-corned.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-calorie-corned.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-canned-corned.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-chicago-corned-order.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-cook-corned-crock-in-pot.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-cook-corned-slow.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-cooked-corned-slow.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-cooker-corned-in-pressure-recipe.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-day-grandma-patricks-recipe-st.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-diabetic.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-dinner-irish.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-dinner-recipe.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-free-recipe.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-guinness-recipe.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-guinness.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-irish-tradition.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-irish-traditional.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-loaf.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-martha-stewart.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-memphis-patrick.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-menu.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-origin.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-oven-recipe.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-oven-roasted.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-oven.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-photo.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-picture.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-potato-red.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-preparation.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-restaurant.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-roasted.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-salad.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-serve-who.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-stew.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-tradition.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-traditional.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-vegetarian.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/beef-cabbage-corned-wine.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/best-corned-beef-and-cabbage.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/cabbage-roll-with-corned-beef.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/cabbage-with-canned-corned-beef-recipe.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/cooking-corned-beef-and-cabbage.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-and-cabbage-boiled-dinner.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-and-cabbage-casserole.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-and-cabbage-crock-pot-recipe.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-and-cabbage-in-a-crock-pot.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-and-cabbage-in-oven.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-and-cabbage-in-the-slow-cooker.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-and-cabbage-low-fat.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-and-cabbage-mustard-sauce.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-and-cabbage-pressure-cooker-recipe.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-and-cabbage-receipe.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe-in-a-crock-pot.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe-st-patricks-day.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-and-cabbage-slow-cooker.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-and-cabbage-soup-recipe.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-and-cabbage-soup.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-and-cabbage.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-brisket-and-cabbage-recipe.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-brisket-and-cabbage.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-cabbage-beer-recipe.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-cabbage-dinner.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-cabbage-in-a-pressure-cooker.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-cabbage-potato-carrot.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-cabbage-potato.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/corned-beef-cabbage-pressure-cooker.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/crock-pot-cooking-corned-beef-and-cabbage.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/crock-pot-corned-beef-and-cabbage.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/crock-pot-corned-beef-cabbage-potato.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/easy-corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/easy-corned-beef-and-cabbage.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/good-recipe-for-corned-beef-cabbage.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/history-of-corned-beef-and-cabbage.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/how-to-cook-corned-beef-and-cabbage.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/how-to-make-corned-beef-and-cabbage.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/index.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/irish-corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/irish-corned-beef-and-cabbage.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/newfoundland-corned-beef-cabbage.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/oven-baked-corned-beef-and-cabbage.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/quick-corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/quick-corned-beef-and-cabbage.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/receipt-corned-beef-cabbage.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/recipe-for-corned-beef-and-cabbage-in-a-slow-cooker.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/recipe-for-corned-beef-potato-cabbage.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/slow-cooker-corned-beef-and-cabbage-recipe.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/spice-for-corned-beef-and-cabbage.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/st-patricks-day-corned-beef-and-cabbage.html
http://corned-beef-and-cabbage.vpgf2.info/traditional-corned-beef-cabbage-recipe.html

http://sunbeam-mixer.flgju.info/ sunbeam mixer
http://sunbeam-mixer.flgju.info/index.html sunbeam mixer
http://sunbeam-mixer.flgju.info/kitchen-mixer-sunbeam.html kitchen mixer sunbeam
http://sunbeam-mixer.flgju.info/sunbeam-hand-mixer.html sunbeam hand mixer
http://sunbeam-mixer.flgju.info/sunbeam-heritage-mixer.html sunbeam heritage mixer
http://sunbeam-mixer.flgju.info/sunbeam-mixer-part.html sunbeam mixer part
http://sunbeam-mixer.flgju.info/sunbeam-mixer-replacement-part.html sunbeam mixer replacement part
http://sunbeam-mixer.flgju.info/sunbeam-mixer.html sunbeam mixer
http://sunbeam-mixer.flgju.info/sunbeam-mixmaster-mixer.html sunbeam mixmaster mixer
http://sunbeam-mixer.flgju.info/sunbeam-stand-mixer.html sunbeam stand mixer
http://sunbeam-mixer.flgju.info/vintage-sunbeam-mixer.html vintage sunbeam mixer

http://portable-cement-mixer.poukh.info/ portable cement mixer
http://portable-cement-mixer.poukh.info/batching-cement-mixer-portable.html batching cement mixer portable
http://portable-cement-mixer.poukh.info/cement-mixer-portable.html cement mixer portable
http://portable-cement-mixer.poukh.info/index.html portable cement mixer
http://portable-cement-mixer.poukh.info/portable-cement-mixer.html portable cement mixer

http://blogs.cjb.net/DonJohn/
http://blogs.cjb.net/BJ/
http://blogs.cjb.net/KC/
http://blogs.cjb.net/Sentra/
http://blogs.cjb.net/Greta/
http://blogs.cjb.net/Anja/
http://blogs.cjb.net/domain/
http://blogs.cjb.net/ALINA/
http://blogs.cjb.net/pakngah/
http://blogs.cjb.net/mahdoum/
http://blogs.cjb.net/tedley/
http://blogs.cjb.net/kochen/
http://blogs.cjb.net/wellwisher/
http://blogs.cjb.net/batygool/
http://blogs.cjb.net/VN/
http://blogs.cjb.net/ramses78/
http://blogs.cjb.net/cozum/
http://blogs.cjb.net/okan17/
http://blogs.cjb.net/annaleabellavickanisa1/
http://blogs.cjb.net/abadir/
http://blogs.cjb.net/danielp/
http://blogs.cjb.net/ross
http://blogs.cjb.net/tagebuch/
http://blogs.cjb.net/telefonsex/
http://blogs.cjb.net/legolas/
http://blogs.cjb.net/kordistan/
http://blogs.cjb.net/6c/
http://blogs.cjb.net/foxygirl/
http://blogs.cjb.net/mladizec/
http://blogs.cjb.net/guusje/
http://blogs.cjb.net/matheusjas/

The continued loss of Venezuelan oil poses an enormous obstacle to the Bush War Machine. The US will not easily tolerate the loss of Iraqi and possibly Saudi oil, both a potential outcome of the coming Gulf War II, with no Venezuelan oil to back it up. Already oil prices are rising. It is hard to know if Venezuela is a factor in Bush’s unusual restraint in responsewow power leveling,wow gold,World of warcraft power leveling,wow power leveling,wow gold,buy wow gold,wow gold,Cheap WoW Gold,Cheap WoW Gold,WoW Gold,wow gold,cheap wow gold,evening gownswedding gownsprom gownsbridal gowns,wow gold,cheap wow gold,warcraft gold,wow power leveling,warcraft power leveling, to Iraq, or if the War Chief simply wants to reassure his international and domestic support that he is not a warmonger (sic). In any wow power leveling,wow powerleveling,wow gold,World of warcraft Power Leveling,wow Power Level,event, the administration has clearly been struggling uphill of late and holding itself in check. m9r5y7bl