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A Bitter Harvest
Although technically summer ends with the Autumnal Equinox in late September, in reality, summer in the United States is over around Labor Day, when the pools close, the schools reopen, and families are back from whatever far-away escape they managed to conjure up during the heat and haze of July and August. Closing the door on the season of warmth and play and moving us into the structured rhythm of the working world, the advent of September brings with it a decided shift in our lives. In the coming days, George Bush will return from his extended dithering in the Crawford playpen to reluctantly encounter a worsening morass of dysfunction and failure of his own creation; Congress will return to the vicious and bloody frontline of the Culture Wars; and Iraq, having missed the memo about summer vacation, will continue as it has been, only worse. The seeds have long been planted for much of the tension we can expect this fall, a time of bitter harvest indeed. Foremost on people’s minds is Iraq, undoubtedly the biggest foreign policy debacle in US history. The arbitrary deadline for the Iraqi constitution set for August 15 has been repeatedly postponed. The Kurds and Shiites have now completed a preliminary constitution to be voted on in the October 15 referendum, but the Sunnis, already desperately opposed to the growing power of the Shiites, stand in opposition to much of its contents. As violent struggles erupt between warring factions within the Iraqi nation, both within the various religious and ethnic groups and between them, the country seems to be moving inevitably towards civil war. The big danger, as events spin more and more out of control, is the possibility of Iraq’s neighbors actively entering the fray in order to determine a more promising outcome for their own strategic goals. Iran is already helping the Shiites in various covert ways. There are rumors of Syria helping the Sunni insurgents. Saudi Arabia is ruled by Sunnis who do not want an increase in Shiite power in the region or any agitation among the Shiites on their own turf. And Turkey feels threatened by the possibility of an independent Kurdistan fostering rebellion among its rather large Kurdish population. In short, a full blown civil war in Iraq could very easily morph into a regional conflagration, as many of the unheeded dissenters suggested prior to the initial invasion The most significant planetary aspect in the Gulf War chart at present is the ongoing transit of Pluto opposite Gulf War Saturn, stretching from December 2004 through most of November 2005, and soon to be in its most deadly phase when Pluto turns direct on September 2. The natal Pluto/Saturn opposition in that chart which straddles the meridian axis describes the bitter and explosive power struggles and intensity that have only grown worse since the beginning of the war. Not only does the transit of Pluto this fall bring that natal aspect into its fullest manifestation by moving Pluto for the final time to the exact opposition with natal Saturn, but it will be powerfully triggered by a very slow moving Mars in quincunx aspect to transiting Pluto from September 12 through October 14, suggesting even greater violence and anger than are already present. Another indication of the dangerous instability during this same period is the Gulf War progressed Moon which will oppose natal Uranus from September 20 through October 16. Moreover, it is clear that things will not be going according to George Bush’s wishes in October, when transiting Saturn will be making its first crossing of his natal Mercury from September 30 through October 14. Clearly all of these indications are related to the Iraqi constitutional referendum on October 15 and the wild spate of violence and internecine struggle that will precede it, as well as the administration’s profound concerns about the outcome. Although events may prove slightly calmer after the referendum on the constitution, by mid-November, the extended Mars/Saturn square will bring a great deal of stress, tension, and possibly violence to the world, including Iraq, especially from November 14 through November 18, and from December 23 through December 31, 2005. And rather amazingly, just as the Mars station at 23 Taurus triggered all things Plutonian from mid- September through mid-October due to its quincunx (150 degree) aspect to transiting Pluto, the Mars station at 8 Taurus will also trigger all things Plutonian from November 25 through December 25, due to a prolonged sesquiquadrate (135 degree) aspect between these two bodies. Thus, the rather ruthless and brutal combination of Mars and Pluto seems to set the tone for most of the autumn period as a background for all else that transpires, joined by the very difficult and painful Mars/Saturn combination in November and December. As indicated by this very destabilizing and problematic combination of planets from mid-September through December 2005, things will be going quite poorly for the administration. Beginning roughly with the October 15 referendum, both Bush and Cheney will be beleaguered and restricted by the extended Saturn station that goes through mid-December on Bush’s Pluto and opposite Cheney’s Sun. While Saturn sits on Bush’s Pluto, and remains not very far from his Mercury and Ascendant, he will find that he is not able to manipulate and control things (Pluto) in the way to which he is accustomed. Instead, he will feel bogged down, depressed, overwhelmed, and forced to face realities which until recently he was able to avoid. The Saturn transit of Bush’s Ascendant, Mercury, and Pluto covers generally from early September 2005 through early February 2006 and will return in May and June 2006. The entire nine months will be a very difficult time for him during which he will feel frustrated and greatly burdened by insurmountable difficulties. In addition, during the Saturn station from mid-October through mid-December, Cheney will find his goals thwarted and bogged down by obstacles, delays, and difficulties. Whether these configurations indicate a failure of the Iraqi constitutional referendum or simply a continuing downward spiral in the situation is not clear. But I see nothing to indicate any celebration within the administration during the critical period. Perhaps mirroring the growing failure of our Iraq policy or perhaps manifesting any one of a number of battles from our ongoing Culture Wars or perhaps simply indulging in more of the mud-slinging character assassinations that Republicans so excel in, the 109th US Congress (1/4/05, noon, DC) can look forward to one of its most difficult seasons beginning in early September 2005. As happened last spring, Pluto will again cross natal Mercury and then natal Venus, sparking all the intense partisan self-righteousness and certitude that underlies much of the hostility. But this time, the aggressive and irritating transiting Mars station will be quincunx the natal Pluto/Mercury conjunction in the Congress chart, as well as transiting Pluto, from mid-September through mid-October 2005, and sesquiquadrate the Congress Venus and transiting Pluto from November 23 through December 2, 2005. Moreover, the natal Mars/Uranus square of the Congress chart will be intensified by the transit of Uranus to the exact square with Mars from September 24 through November 29, 2005, with special emphasis on the station throughout November. Thus, as brutal and vicious as the Gulf War will be this fall, so also will be the incredibly hostile war of words in the halls of Congress. This seems to go far beyond the John Roberts confirmation hearings, which from his chart only look difficult when Saturn crosses his Sun from September 1 through September 9. As I have already said, this Congressional battle will be the front line for our own Cultural Civil War, probably including the rising anti-war movement along with all the other well-trod points of contention. But at least for Congress, much of the belligerence will subside by Christmas. In summary, the dramatic interplay between a slow-moving Mars and Pluto from October through December, as well as between a slow-moving Mars and Saturn in November and December, are likely to make this a harrowing and dramatic autumn and early winter. The Pluto aspects that bring power struggle and partisan intensity will play out in the Gulf War chart and the Congress chart, and the Saturn aspects that bring frustration and difficulty will play out in the Bush and Cheney charts. Highly destructive battles and turf warfare will unfold in both Baghdad and Washington, neither boding well for the Bush agenda. Having sown the seeds of divisiveness at home and recklessly created a power vacuum in Iraq, Bush will find that it will indeed be a season of bitter harvest.
Nancy Waterman on Aug 31 | Link
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Good article, Nancy! Always a cut above the rest!!! Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on August 31, 2005 04:44 AMBrilliant and sobering, Nancy. How I sorrow to see our country laid low by these arrogant inhumane neo-cons. Posted by: Barbara on August 31, 2005 05:32 AMHi Everybody! Thanks for all the love...I received it and it makes me feel even more emotional. This is a really emotional time on earth, isn't it? I am very luck and blessed, as usually, not only with loving friends but because I married into a family with resources 3 years ago and we seem so bonded and protected. We were offered someone's vacation home up here in Northern, LA. It's beautiful, modern, built of pine, and on a lovely lake. We bought groceries and fish today in a town called Farmerville. The fish store owner was ready to close the store and go and catch more fish. He is a religious Christian who only eats kosher food as is instructed in the Bible so we found that common ground with him. Been reading for an hour, catching up on the last thread. I skimmed Nancy's article here and it looks as good as usual but I won't read it in depth until tomorrow. Thanks again for ALL the concern, Jo, Sally, Cybear, Beasley, the Pats, and everyone else. Still praying for you and Eric, Pat C. It was wonderful of you to post the Red Cross donation instructions, Jo, and also to whomever posted the thing about a Live Aid concert to help the hurricane survivors. Things were looking better for a while until the levee was breached and 12 more feet or so of water is expected tonight. The mayor was really angry because, apparently, the sand bags weren't dropped into the breach and he said he thought everyone involved realized that was the highest priority. Those people left in the city really need help. It's not liveable right now. I feel so bad for their situation as well as those effected in MS, AL & FL. Myself and my family may go back to damage and flooding but we'll be ok because have insurance and other financial resources. I remember living in South FL during Andrew and, as bad as it was, 2 years later, things were pretty much back to normal. This will happen in New Orleans with some patience and effort (lots, really). But, as someone said, it is a wake up call. I think we will begin thinking more about relocating eventually. In fact, we are going to CO next week and that may be where we end up. Maybe not right away but, with the coastal erosion and the seas slowly rising, it's not the best place to be ultimately. And to hear that the emergency funding was just cut, as you posted Sally, is really, really sucks, because this is a small but important state. As Myron, my husband said, when the nation gets hit in the pocketbook due to the rising gasoline and oil prices, the government may rethink doing something about the erosion here. Thanks again, everyone. I may not be posting a whole lot in the next weeks, but I'll be reading as much as possible. I love you all. Sharon (I'm not proof reading this so sorry for any errors in advance). Posted by: on August 31, 2005 06:25 AMBeasley, Meant that I'm praying for you, Pat QP and Eric. As far as Pat C, I'm praying that your computer gets fixed quickly (and inexpensively). Posted by: on August 31, 2005 06:31 AMOh Sharon, I'm so glad you wrote with an update. Have been thinking about you SOOO much. It's very good to hear that you are okay, Sharon. Please be careful and take care of yourself and your loved ones wherever you will be. Posted by: NEOBuckeye on August 31, 2005 08:06 AMSharon, so good to hear from you. And the place where you ended up sounds so nice...are you sure you couldn't live there indefinitely? Given what I hear about New Orleans, you will have a wait. I was the one who posted the idea about a Live Aid Concert. What has been frustrating is that there is very little media attention to the drowning of hundreds. Probably the memo went out to protect Baby Nero at all costs from his mistakes. But I wonder if we could get some celebrities to elevate consciousness. I also got to thinking about what we in the blogosphere did for Dean. If we put in a similar effort, that would be $59 million for hurricane relief. Can we do it? Will we? We are WE THE PEOPLE..... Posted by: Carol on August 31, 2005 09:57 AMJust one bottom line question: After New Orleans; surely caused in part by global warming and Bushco's rejection of science (such a "quaint" idea, kinda almost like the Geneva Convention I guess)and today's news about 650+ dying in Iraq in this horrible stampede during the Shia religious ceremony (death toll sure to grow) due to rumors of a suicide bombing, HOW MUCH LONGER BEFORE BUSHCO IS STOPPED, IF EVER, BEFORE IT TRULY BEGINS IN EARNEST TO TOTALLY DESTROY CIVILIZATION, AND INDEED LIFE ON THIS PLANET AS WE HAVE KNOWN IT???!!! Posted by: Grizzly on August 31, 2005 10:12 AMHundreds dead in Baghdad stampede Witnesses said panic spread because of rumours that suicide bombers were in the crowd. Many victims were crushed to death or fell in the river and drowned.
Once again, Shrub misses the boat! http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/29/national/main802131.shtml Nancy, powerful and articulate article. Your technical mastery awes me. Into this nasty mix, i would suggest that Iran may be used as a scapegoat, again focusing attention on another lie -- that Iran is capable of launching nuclear aggression. Good article up on www.information clearninghouse this morning in addition to so many other related articles. Sharon, thought of you throughout this whole horror that was Katrina and was so relieved to read your post! Here, in Tennessee, we were smacked up side the head with 60mph winds, down trees but nothing like the devastation of Biloxi or NO, or Gulf Port. Also, for those who read www.rense.com. They have recently been fingered by the state department as a site promoting "conspiracy" theories. I couldn't help but laugh, for very obvious reasons. karen Posted by: farrout on August 31, 2005 02:23 PMOh, Sharon! What a wonderful sight to access AW and there is a message from you. Thank heavens you are well. Do stay that way. Grizz, I'm screaming your tune right along with you. What else will it take for responsible pols to begin the process?? Posted by: shylurker on August 31, 2005 02:35 PMInteresting article from cloak and dagger http://www.cloakanddagger.de/media/Grossmann/Scalar_Weather_Wars.htm Posted by: Garry on August 31, 2005 02:44 PMOhhh Sharon... ((((((Sharon)))))) (((((Myron)))))) Pat C.'s computer is down, but I will add her joy to the news that you are safe... Posted by: Jo on August 31, 2005 02:49 PM((((Sally))) You have been in my thoughts... hope you have had word about your family in New Orleans... truly hope they are safe... namaste Posted by: Jo on August 31, 2005 02:51 PMSharon, So glad you got away. It is getting worse in New Orleans. From Democracy Now: Report from Inside New Orleans Hospital: "Who is Left Behind?...The Sickest, The Oldest, The Poorest, The Youngest" "The people who are still in New Orleans are - in all honesty - dying and there could be a lot more casualties unless there's a lot of help, real fast." Over the past two years the Times-Picayune paper has run at least nine articles that cite the cost of the Iraq invasion as a reason for the lack of hurricane and flood control funding. Earlier this year President Bush proposed significantly reducing the amount of federal money for the project. He proposed spending $10 million. Local officials said six times as much money was needed. They were originally counted the need for 250 million. (artical by Proffessor Bill Quigley) Posted by: Jill G on August 31, 2005 03:33 PMOh Sharon, I am so happy you are safe, I am so happy to hear from you. All I could see was you out on that highway with your caravan of family. Thank you Jo for asking about my family. My nephew and family got out, but my cousin was hit by flying debris and she didn't make it. Thanks for asking. Posted by: Sally on August 31, 2005 03:42 PMSally, I am so sickened by the attitude of dumbya during this US catastrophy. Nero fiddled while Rome burned, and B~~h golfs while Mississippi,& New Orleans drown, GRRRR! BTW, Didn't the Roman population figure it all out and riot at the palace until they got hold of Nero and killed him? What do you think our population is going to do about our dictator? Posted by: Jill G on August 31, 2005 03:57 PMSally, so sorry about your cousin... light and love to you. Namaste Posted by: Jo on August 31, 2005 04:01 PMSomething else the public is being distracted from. Twenty Things We Now Know Nancy, brilliant article, as usual. Sharon, absolutely delighted to hear you are alive and well protected. Sally, my deepest condolences to you and your cousin's family. White light. Posted by: Beasley on August 31, 2005 04:32 PMSally, I didn't know you had family in NOLA. I am very sorry about your cousin. This is all just so hard to grasp. I'm very, very glad your niece & nephew made it out. I shudder to think about the poorest, oldest, sickest, youngest suffering and dying and wonder who I know personally that is among them. We just heard that the husband of a lifelong family friend had to remain because he was too sick. Myron isn't in touch often with this guy but he just received something from him in the mail - a Bill Moyers article. We did find out my mom-in-law, Freda's house is completely submerged...so there goes her poor kitty. I feel really bad and we don't want to tell her. Now I hear (from a posting here) that if the levee's are not fixed, the entire city will be under water?! It's hard to believe as until now, it's mostly been the area called New Orleans East and all of us live in the western or uptown area near Tulane. Our area in particular was dry until the levee failed yesterday. Myron says that even if we can go back in a week or two, there will be too much lawlessness and it will be dangerous. We'll just have to wait and see. I have been reminded that life can change in the blink of an eye. I am so sorry about the Iraquis that were killed in the religious event stampede. This will only fuel the civil war. Posted by: Sharon on August 31, 2005 04:44 PMOh, Sally. My condolences to you and your family. Sharon, a bright note knowing that you "made" it through. Nancy, excellent work. Posted by: Janet on August 31, 2005 04:49 PM* Reinventing the Good Life ...How many times have you wished you cld exit the rat race? How many times have you wondered why you work so hard to pay the mortgage, in order to have the right house, in the right street, complete with all the latest gadgets - only to be burdened/stressed by the whole situation? The urge for simplicity, to be able to opt out & de-stress is a powerful one. Even more so in these days of "double" working families & the ever-increasing pace of life. ...
Nancy, thank you for your wonderfully insightful article! The Bush administration must be loving the chaos created by Katrina ... let's them continue to do alot of stuff and while everyone is looking left, they're plowing away on the right ... http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050831/a_declaration_of_war.php Posted by: Marta on August 31, 2005 05:07 PMJill G., my impression is that Sally means her cousin has left us and this world. Sally, my sincere condolences. It's always hard for us to lose our loved ones on the physical plane. Love to you. (((((Sally))))) Posted by: Lori on August 31, 2005 05:10 PMThe news is indeed bittersweet. tseka Posted by: tseka on August 31, 2005 05:19 PMOh, Cap'n Sally, it is very sad to learn about your cousin. Bless you. Posted by: shylurker on August 31, 2005 05:40 PMIs the gubmint doing enough in response to Katrina? Sally, Thank you for your condolences regarding my cousin. We have not been too close the last 10 years, but we were very close when we were young and memories come flooding in, making the pain and suffering of those in New Orleans very real. The following article is a bad omen for Bloggers (which we are) and needs to be carefully watched for future developments. I caution again that the administration, and perhaps it wouldn't make a difference if it were Republican or Democrat, has a desire to clamp down on bloggers and the free flow of information world wide. Please read and keep in mind. Posted by: Sally on August 31, 2005 06:50 PMHey all, just got this from a friend whose DAd is in Texas helping the refugess through his church--hope I'm not out of line posting this here: "You can donate to the victims stationed in Texas for who knows how long. My dad, along with several other churches in Beaumont, Texas are taking in escapee's from the disaster and putting them up in their gymnasiums. Thanks all. Sally please remove this if it's not kosher. So sorry to hear about your cousin, but at least they're in a better place now. It's up to the rest of us to make things better here and make sure none died in vain. Sharon, good to have you back. Sally, it was with sadness that I read about your cousin. I am so sorry for your loss. White light to you and the rest of your family. Sharon, white light to you and yours also. I hope recovery comes quickly for you. Posted by: Teresa on August 31, 2005 07:15 PMSomething from an International Perspective on Katrina ... Katrina Prompts Global Support for Victims By DANICA KIRKA, Associated Press Writer VIENNA, Austria - From papal prayers to telegrams from China, the world reacted with an outpouring of compassion Wednesday for the victims of Hurricane Katrina in messages tinged by shock that a disaster of this scale could occur in the United States. Islamic extremists rejoiced in America's misfortune, giving the storm a military rank and declaring in Internet chatter that "Private" Katrina had joined the global jihad, or holy war. With "God's help," they declared, oil prices would hit $100 a barrel this year. Venezuela's government, which has had tense relations with Washington, offered humanitarian aid and fuel if requested. The storm was seen as an equalizer — proof that any country, weak or strong, can be victimized by a natural disaster. Images of flood-ravaged New Orleans earned particular sympathy in central Europe, where dozens died in raging floodwaters only days ago. "Nature proved that no matter how rich and economically developed you are, you can't fight it," says Danut Afasei, a local official in Romania's Harghita county, where flooding killed 13 people last week. snip http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050831/ap_on_re_eu/hurricane_katrina_world_hk4 Posted by: Morgana on August 31, 2005 07:20 PMYou know it is inexcusable that FEMA did not do a better job in preparations for this event.
Anyone looking for someone from Tulane Univ. try Georgia Tech. They evacuated the students there till they can get them home. 3 cheers for GA Tech, they have the right idea.
Jean, it appears Air Force One cruised over it so Bush got a birds eye view. Wonder how many folk were flipping him off as he fiddled and while Katrina raged went down? This guy is always days late and dollars short. Bush Views Katrina Devastation From Plane http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050831/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_katrina Posted by: Morgana on August 31, 2005 07:46 PMa temporary side-trip---more on the stink from Ohio..... http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Two_Ohio_election_officials_indicted_over_2004_reco_0831.html Posted by: Garry on August 31, 2005 07:50 PMThere was an interesting juxtaposition of the tragedy which happened in Iraq today and the tragedy being played out in New Orleans, Mississippi, Alabama, showing the obvious chaos for both areas. There were so many positive aspects from this hurricane in Mr. Bush and Inaugural charts, (as there were in the 9/11 chart) there were also "crossroad" aspects. This hurricane, if the administration can step up to the bar, will either pull their bacon out of the fire or it will be another instance of "fuzzy" thinking. Remember "they will greet us with flowers and candy?" There is a dramatic point of destiny or crossroads in Mr. Bush's pre-natal return chart this year and it will be during the fall months. Some of you have indicated your interest in Asteroids, Bush's Asc. and Mercury are conjunct by Niobe and Isis. Niobe has to do with excessive pride in one's children (have his children not been attacked for not being in the service for this "noble cause?") Isis has to do with "holding things together," and a fear of seeming scattered or being out of control. With transiting Saturn coming to those points, it's doubtful he will be able to go with the flow, and be very confused with "staying the course" as the entire country will be against that. He is trying to pull fragmented conditions under his control with potentially disasterous consequences. Hi you all....such a sad time. Sally, condolences, Sharon, glad you got away (My uncle in Marshall, TX, said all the motels have been filled there...it is 40 miles from Shreveport) I have not been able to concentrate or be in the mix ....it is too devastating on some level which I seem to access all too easily. As for the asteroids....although I agree with Beasley's fun interpretations for Bush and the asteroids, unfortunately, they also hold true exactly for me, too: Now does the universe tell the truth or not? My Jupiter is 25 Cancer in the 9th, my Sun/Saturn is 16 Gemini in the 8th, My Mars is 8 Aries in the 6th, trining the 8 Sag (which is my daughter's Mars in her 4th...buy hey, I could buy into her being Machiavellian in the home, except she's not quite that level!), and 0 Taurus is my descendant....the only thing not in my chart is anything at 7 Libra, which is my 12th. I like Beer, but not THAT much! I kinda like Lucifer on my Jupiter!!!! Maybe this is why I get so nauceous when I have to look at the creepster....I could make a great case for that! But I'm no bushster. Sally....on the blogging issue....I would imagine that if real trade secrets are revealed in a blog not owned by the poster, the poster would be liable....doubt that the owner of the site would be because that would mean they would have to KNOW what the trade secret was to identify it, wouldn't they? Sounds like this is just the beginning of the usual BS....like going after some business because its name happens to be MacDonald's Toy Attic as a copyright infringement against MacDonalds....yuck. On the other hand, this has to be watched also: Earlier this year, Apple Computer Inc. sued a Harvard student in a California court, accusing him of publishing trade secrets on his blog, ThinkSecret.com, in violation of state law. That case is pending in Superior Court in Santa Clara, Calif. (this is his personal blog) Judi G, Another Smirky&Co jawdropper: here's the first(of many to come, I'm sure) rant by fundies claiming it was punishment: http://www.repentamerica.com/pr_hurricanekatrina.html Posted by: Garry on August 31, 2005 09:24 PMWell there certainly is a lot going on. It's interesting to me that while this government was trying to steal Iraq's oil, the cosmos came in from behind right to the oil refineries in our own backyard. The Neptune in Aquarius and Uranus in Pisces mutual reception just got triggered by this unusual Mars. Air(wind) and water. Neptune also rules oil, so I think we have a message here. Bush is nobody. Just another human. A symbol. He doesn't have the power. By the time a country gets a leader like this, it is merely a surfacing of longstanding problems in the whole society. He didn't get us into this quagmire and he won't magically get us out. A slowdown in consumption by the people would help since we have become sort of cannabalistic in our appetites... thinking we could devour cultures in the Middle East in our lust for energy, to compensate for some dearth of inner power. Hopefully some inner sense of balance will help us out of this. This should help point out the failure of the war to the people. It is now more than apparent that our domestic problems are becoming paramount. It would be advisable to get out of other people's yards and back to our own as Pluto enters capricorn and opposes our Cancer stellium. Foreign trip over. World Trade Center gone. New game. The most important thing is to try and understand how we got here and get to work finding the solution. Removing Bush can only happen if we turn inward to the source of the wound and are willing to face our own truths. Then we wouldn't even have to remove him as we would understand completely his powerlessness. But we could, if we so choose. And although it is not the answer, we do have elections coming right up and there is an opportunity to make some conscious choices. Posted by: jm on August 31, 2005 09:37 PMPosting before reading. The Rez was just on tee vee for about two minutes, talking about what "he's" doing in response to the hurricane disaster...for the victims and "dedicated citizens...er, dislocated citizens." I kid you not. What an ass! In addition to providing supplies, shipping in available Nat'l Guard (11,000...there were 22,000 there for Hurricane Andrew, but I digress), releasing some of the crude oil reserves...in addition to that, "the Environmental (Un)Protection Agency is giving a nationwide waiver" of regulations regarding fuel blends. What that means, folks, is MTBE (MBTE?) in your groundwater, with no legal recourse, courtesy of our "wait, wait, before we address the disaster, let's figure out how we can work things to our benefit" "government." Yeah, MBTE, the crap that combines with water so well that you can't get it out, the crap that causes cancer and God knows what all, and who knows what other kinds of additives will be put into the gasoline? All in the name of "helping to deal with gas prices in the wake of the disaster." Who ARE these heartless greedy people?! I'm so disgusted. Do they EVER for one SECOND stop thinking of themselves? (that was rhetorical) Posted by: Lori on August 31, 2005 10:49 PMSally, ref. your posting about the bloggers. What, now we can't complain about shoddy corporate service, we aren't allowed to have personal opinions? That would be so ridiculous! But you're right. Many times these lawsuits seem frivolous, but they're aiming for a target that is not always readily apparent in the beginning. Posted by: Marta on August 31, 2005 10:54 PM(((((Sally))))) I am so sorry to hear about your cousin. You will remain in my thoughts and prayers. (((((Sharon))))) I am very happy you made it to safety. I had been seeing the gridlock on TV and was afraid for everyone on the roads out of N.O. It has been very draining for me the last couple of days, but today I am feeling better. It looks like this will be the beginning of the end for the Idiot. I am not sure if what I was getting after one of my meditations refered to him or the city of N'awlins. But this is what was paying like a loop tape in my head..."all things must pass". From the looks of it I believe it is intended for both our most hated idiot and also the city. As I had posted on the earlier thread, I still think that this is the domino that begins our economic collapse. Unfortunately it has taken this for people to wake up. Hang on to your loved ones and take nothing forgranted these days, we are in for some very bumpy times. Peace, love and light to all! Posted by: Cybear on August 31, 2005 10:54 PMI just got this email and would like to share it with all of you. It has made me cry and has really given me a lift. This women bought one of my crystal's that I sell on Ebay and asked for help with her life. Scott, Sharon, I am so happy you & your family are ok. What a rocky, rocky ride we're all on. Maybe this will help someone: Archangel Christopher on Katrina :http://www.creativecosmos.org/ Posted by: Peg on August 31, 2005 11:13 PMoops a great big SORRY for not acknowledging your wonderful article Nancy; so brilliant, as usual. Thank you. Posted by: Peg on August 31, 2005 11:14 PMWhat a wonderful juxtapositioning: the statement about Islamic extremists rejoicing and the comments from repentamerica.com. I put a little e-mail together to share with my friends. Posted by: Lori on August 31, 2005 11:22 PM"On his way to Washington, Bush had Air Force One fly low over the hurricane-ravaged area. His plane flew over New Orleans at about 2,500, and it descended even further, to about 1,700 feet, over Mississippi. Bush surveyed the damage from a couch near the left front of the plane." My husband points out that Air Force One is a jet, not a little plane like a crop-duster or drug-runner. Which means that to fly at 1700 feet, that plane would have to go FAAAAAAAAAST or it would crash. D'ya think he saw much? Fluff. Spin piece. I don't argue with the stated flight plan, but question the actual effect. Posted by: Lori on August 31, 2005 11:24 PMA couple personal notes, if I may: ((((Jill G)))) I sincerely hope you took my statement as one of fact and clarification, nothing more, nothing less. Your response to Sally's initial statement showed your heart clearly. And Sharon ((((Sharon)))), I am glad you made it through, I simply wasn't worried about you. I figured you got out, like you said you were, and had other things on your mind besides posting. I know going forward will be difficult and painless regardless, but glad you have the resources you do. Posted by: Lori on August 31, 2005 11:28 PMSharon, my love to you and your family. I hope you find your cousins. God forbid that anything happened. Austin in now full of refugees that have nowhere to go. Like I said before the storm hit, I had this awful feeling. When I learned that Katrina herself didn't cause too much damage, I thought - thank God - I'm not psychic after all. But, unfortunately, my sinking feeling was correct. I hate that. Love to all. Posted by: Travieso on August 31, 2005 11:44 PMTravieso - Same here in Houston. There are no hotel rooms available and now we are getting the Superdome refugees that will be housed in the Astrodome. My heart goes out to all of them. I just hope we do not get the criminal element we have been seeing on TV. We have more then our share here. For those who lived and WORKED in N.O., what will happen to them? No home, no income, it's a matter of time before they start running out of money and then what? This is a dreadful scenario. I have friends and old co-workers from N'awlins that are in a state of shock right now. They have lost everything. Posted by: Cybear on August 31, 2005 11:58 PMI think another factor at play here is the Pluto station square US Neptune. The other side of all this Neptune and Aquarius is the compassion and commonality of man which should kick in to help the people who are suffering. This will come from everywhere. Below is a good read http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/08/30/katrinas_re... Posted by: Raj on September 1, 2005 12:28 AMshould be try again http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/08/30/katrinas_real_name Posted by: Raj on September 1, 2005 12:33 AMCondolences, Sally. I gave my $9.00 to the Red Cross today. I believe what we need is to demonstrate the immense power of the internet, and give as much as we gave to Dean to the Red Cross. I know a lot of people are in shock, but time is running out for some people, and others need resupply. Private charity can at least fill in the gap until/unless public money comes through. And pester your Congressperson for that money! Posted by: Carol on September 1, 2005 12:33 AMI do believe this is a moment of truth. Posted by: jm on September 1, 2005 12:36 AMI think the tides are about to turn. I went to fill up my 35 mile to the gallon Beetle today and gas has hit $3 a gallon here in Houston. The SUV drivers are absolutely fliiping out! $100 plus to fill up their urban assault vehilces and they are starting to ask what kind of mileage I get. HAHA mf'rs. I also filled up my bike for $9....So I can go about 2 weeks or more until my wallet is robbed again. Maybe, just maybe, now that gas is really hitting peoples checking accounts they will soon join us in our revolution to oust these money grubbing corporate goons. Thing is, who will they be replaced by. Where are "our" leaders when we need them so bad? Is there anybody out there that will take a stand other then Conyers to get the ball rolling. It seems that they are either on the Idiots side or they are terrified of making a stand. What the hell is it going to take for someone to start an impeachment process? What has happened to Fitzgerald? Posted by: Cybear on September 1, 2005 12:49 AM(((((((((((((Sally))))))))))))))))so sorry about your cousin!!! Nancy thank you for the article. It is such a luxury for me to be able to learn about these astrological events from the experts! I am laid low by the entire event, more so than 9/11. SO much more could have been done to prepare for it! From Buzzflash: http://aliberaldose.blogspot.com/2005/08/let-him-eat-cake.html Posted by: Teresa on September 1, 2005 02:35 AMIt's sad, my aprtment was robbed the same day last week that this website was hacked. But I'm fine - just lost of some material goods, my laptop, tv set and a credit card i cancelled. Anyway a quick note on FEMA - they're the most useless bunch of twits I've ever seen. After 9/11 here in NYC I came across the agency, and they don't make much of a difference. You couldn't get any real aid in NYC if you were above 14th Street. So if your business went under on 15th street you were screwed. My heart goes out to those who were hit by that storm... Posted by: Michael from NYC on September 1, 2005 02:37 AMFriends, my husband and i cannot believe we are not airdropping food and water to those folks stranded on bridges, in neighborhoods in Mississippi. Please, please call your federal representatives and senators and ask them to take action NOW! There is absolutely NO REASON whatsoever, given the number of helicopters flying around the region, that airdrops have not already been taking place. What is going on? We can airdrop food and water throughout the world yet we cannot do so for our own citizens! This is absolutely outrageous! Not to mention the rez flying around for twenty frickin minutes and just oogling, trying to figure out what? A nickname he's going to give the disaster? I'm just furious! karen Posted by: farrout on September 1, 2005 02:39 AMTeresa thanks for the link. This needs to be posted far and wide for all those republican military rah-rah types: "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. The world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the houses of its children." -- President Dwight D. Eisenhower Posted by: kiwijeanie on September 1, 2005 03:01 AMGod Bless you Cybear, I laughed out loud when I read "HA HA Mf'ers"---I cannot restrain myself from flipping the daily bird everytime I drive by a gas station---but being Aquarius, I have to rebel in any way I can.....at least here in TN, our Gov. is talking tough on gas price gouging. I just keep clinging to the thought that we chose to be here at this time and we're needed here now more than ever, so we must stay alert and be ready to help if we can. That's about the only thing keeping me out of a Gulf of Mexico-sized pit of despair...... Posted by: Garry on September 1, 2005 03:18 AMwow, is the SCUM finally coming around? Read this and esp. note the last 3 paragraphs: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9148526/site/newsweek/ Posted by: Garry on September 1, 2005 03:23 AMGARRY!!!! Dude I flip off and call the SUV / Big Truck drivers idiots all the time. Especially those that still sport their W stickers and there dead fish emblems. And yes we are here for a reason! I have often wondered why, but it's becoming clearer and I am beginning to feel empowered. It's time to shine our inner light as bright as we can! WE CAN CHANGE THE COURSE OUR WORLD IS HEADING IN BY BEING EXAMPLES TO OTHERS. Now for the serious stuff....I have signed up as a volunteer to help the victims/refugees that will be coming to Houston. My Reiki group, which works with the hospital system is also on board to do Reiki sessions in the hospitals and the Astrodome for all of those in need. We are also gathering food, clothing, and supplies that will be needed. Also, my partner and I are about to donate about $50 in pet food to the animal shelters and SPCA for all of the animals that are being sent here. Since I will not be starting my new job (YEA!!!) until Oct. 3rd, I have plenty of time to help others. If anyone else is in the Gulf Coast Region and is able to help, start looking into it and you will find ways to channel all the love to the ones who need it the most. Posted by: Cybear on September 1, 2005 04:28 AMJill G...thanks for straightening me out.....I feel like an idiot most of the time now.....of course, that is true....those wouldn't be the same as my asteroids.... I just don't seem to have enough time to myself to concentrate. My bookeeping is 3 months behind, and today I was supposed to get a huge job .... first work in 2 months, and 5 minutes after it was faxed to me it got killed. I just feel pretty ragged and unfocused, so I am not really firing on all cylinders....thanks, glad to know I'm not chimpy....what happened is that I was thinking of the asteroids as if they were fixed stars.... Posted by: judi g on September 1, 2005 04:31 AMCybear, congrats on new job....becareful tho of who you flip off...take it from one who learned most of my driving skills in LA, where you drive with one hand out the window all the time.....I flipped off a truck driver (big rig) who wasn't pulling a trailor on one of the really tight onramps in SF because he nearly ran me over, and he CHASED me while blowing his horn....luckily I could manuever better than he could.... I was looking at the news tonight and realized how much like Bangladesh after a cyclone and Indonesia after the tsnunami that the entire area in LA and MISS looked like. There were huge storms and deaths in Europe recently, although I had to read that somewhere buried in another story....I don't recall seeing it in our news. But then, I've stopped reading and watching news. And as usual, the average people will be the ones offering to help.....not the leadership. It is sort of funny that the very people from the south who cried that the 'muslims' were being punished for their wicked ways by the tsunami in Indonesia are now experiencing the same thing happening to them. May the great light of the angels who come to help be seen by those who need it most. Posted by: judi g on September 1, 2005 04:41 AMAlso, I know it won't be easy dealing with some of these people, since so many of them will be ungrateful, but if I can show them by example that people truly care it will be worth it. ((((((JUDI GEMINI))))) Hang in there! You are not kin to the chimp. Your art speaks from your soul. Chimpy Smirker is incapable of the beauty that you create. That says it all. Funny, not too long ago, like about 1/2 hr ago, I posted Quick Vote http://www.cnn.com "Do you think the federal government is doing enough to help the victims...." The post didn't appear.....hmmm. Posted by: Beasley on September 1, 2005 04:51 AMJudi G - Oh I am careful. My bug is pimped out with Limo Tint all the way around so you cannot see in. The interior is all black so that makes it even darker, even in daylight. At night I have to roll down the windows to back up. Posted by: Cybear on September 1, 2005 04:53 AMJudi Gem- And I think it was the mayor/gov of NO/LA who referred to Katrina as "our tsunami"? Perhaps someone can correct me on the source of that quote. Cybear, you crack me up man, but please read/heed Judi Gem's words--those people are at best clueless and rabid Repubs. and at worst quite capable of mindless partisan violence without remorse--remember, the right is owned by the gun lobby too, so forewarned is forearmed(perhaps a bit too literally, I might add). Having said all of that,I don't think a quick birdflip would cause much roadrage, and if it makes you feel better,why not? Posted by: Garry on September 1, 2005 04:55 AM Garry and Judy - I don't mess with the big rigs. Mainly yuppies. It's funny, the times I have almost been run over by those morons while on my motorcycle and I flip them off they get scared. Won't even look in my direction. It's like if they don't look at me I won't hurt them. I'm 6'2 and about 230lbs, a lot of people are intimidated by me. But yes, I am always careful. Don't mess with the gun rack bunch or the bangers and when I flip them off my arm is inside the car. Posted by: Cybear on September 1, 2005 05:20 AMCybear....a black pimped out bug....my first real car was a red 1966 bug with a sun roof. A friend (birthday the same as mine, btw) added his deer antler set to the open sun roof. We had fun on the Sunset Strip in LA....all the time. But I sold it because it DIDN'T manuver well (unlike the new ones I hope)...and bought a red 1959 supercoupe Porsche instead. but heed this well....take care of yourself and don't invite someone's energy into your space if you don't know them....don't send any engraved invitations! Posted by: judi g on September 1, 2005 05:23 AMThanks Garry....but it has always been somewhat interesting to me that he is so 'familiar' to me....that chimpy person. As if I had known him from somewhere and forgotten. HA! past life? We are related. I cannot believe that half the country who voted for him are so blind to who he really is. Posted by: judi g on September 1, 2005 05:26 AMmy apologies if this was posted already, but this kind of goes with my instinctual dislike of all thinks bush:
....Because FEMA had 10 times the proportion of political appointees of most other government agencies, the poorly chosen Bush [Sr.] appointees had a profound effect on the performance of the agency. Sam Jones, the mayor of Franklin, Louisiana, says he was shocked to find that the damage assessors sent to his town a week after Hurricane Andrew had no disaster experience whatsoever. "They were political appointees, members of county Republican parties hired on an as-needed basis....They were terribly inexperienced." Posted by: judi g on September 1, 2005 05:31 AMJudi G - I drive by and call them an idiot and give them a quik flip and carry on my way. They can't see in through the tint so it's kind of fun. Hell most of them here in Houston that drive the land barges don't even speak english! When I'm on my bike, the bird is reserved for those that endanger my life. The new bugs are quik and handle like you would not believe! Nothing like the old ones! A total blast to drive! Posted by: Cybear on September 1, 2005 05:35 AMIt's the good ol boy secret handshake thing with that bunch of twits. Definitely like father like son. Oh yeah, the bug is dark charcoal with blacked out windows. I think the front windows have 10% visibility, the back and rear are 5%. Impossible to see through from the outside. Not legal, but here in the sweltering heat the cops don't bother me. Posted by: Cybear on September 1, 2005 05:39 AMCybear.....I think I might go for one of those when it comes time to get a new car! cool.... Posted by: judi g on September 1, 2005 05:44 AMJudi....Cool, you'll love it. My cousin bought one a week after she drove mine. She originally wanted a Jetta, but fell in love with the bug! Posted by: Cybear on September 1, 2005 05:51 AMSince the title of Nancy's piece is A Bitter Harvest, I thought I would post the URL to a wonderful piece from Orion on the planting and saving of elm trees in Maine and the planting of flags for the fallen...http://www.oriononline.org:80/pages/oo/sidebars/front/index_front.html Posted by: judi g on September 1, 2005 05:55 AMSally, speaking of blogging: LAST month, Nadine Haobsh, an associate beauty editor at Ladies' Home Journal, was about to resign and take a job at Seventeen, where she had been offered a similar position. Then the magazines discovered she was blogging about work, and her two jobs became none. Ladies' Home Journal asked her to leave immediately; Seventeen rescinded its offer. Further evidence of intelligent design (now that 64% want to teach creationism or intelligent design in American schools.... Witch Haven, Tenn. -- Dr. Norris Gravlox, an oral surgeon and a leading proponent of the intelligent design theory of how children evolve into grown-ups, is the author of a new paper on how homo sapiens come to be "divinely blessed" with teeth, which have played a major role in humans' swift rise up the evolutionary ladder.....more..... Well, another great one Nancy but geez, this is the Fall of our Fulminations. Not much fun in the old DC Metro area! The only good news there is, maybe what goes on for Roberts in earlyi September is soooo bad, it knocks him out of the nomination. I do like the sound of Democrats standing up for the rest of us, at least some Democrats, well maybe two or three...the meandering nincompoops! Grow a spine, it makes it easier to stand up for yourselves. Oh, yeah, we lost our first city...gone, just disappeared!!! Good work Bush voters. Posted by: mike on September 1, 2005 08:13 AMThis woman doesn't miss a beat. " Austin stands with Cindy. Austin welcomed the Bring Them Home Now Tour in grand style. Thousands greeted the buses at the State Capital, and marched to City Hall. A powerful rally was led by Austin Against the War. Cindy, Iraq War Vet Jeff Key, Ann Wright, other Gold Star Families brought the spirit of Camp Casey. Jim Hightower and others from Austin added their voices. The tour is heading to Houston. The vets are heading to Louisiana to roll up their sleeves and aid the victims of Katrina"-------------------------------------- Is there an URL for your news, jm? I've not been able to find that article goggling. Sure would love to pass that on. ;O) Posted by: JoannaOregon on September 1, 2005 02:14 PMThought you all might find this quite interesting. We all know about Tecumseh's Curse, now Bush has another. . . http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/10/18/1066364541599.html karen “Yeah, ok.” That’s what CBS’ Harry Smith said to MS Gov. Haley Barbour when Harry was trying to get pertinent information about when the folks on the MS gulf coast might get some water and food. The distribution centers are inland, and the people on the coast don’t have cars to get there: they were ruined in the hurricane. But all Barbour can talk about is how many people are working to get electricity back, what they’re doing with regard to gasoline & fuel. He’s got nothing to say about the basic needs of water and food, without which the people will die. Harry sounded just disgusted and frustrated to me. I don’t remember the details, but I do recall that Haley Barbour is another psuedo-human Bushkevik, and that showed clearly on tv this morning. WHO GIVES A RAT’S ASS ABOUT ELECTRICITY WHEN YOU DON’T EVEN HAVE WATER TO DRINK NOR FOOD TO EAT? One can live without electricity; but not without nourishment and hydration. I feel like they’re just leaving people to die all along the hurricane area. Like Karen said, WHY AREN’T THEY AIR DROPPING SUPPLIES TO PEOPLE THEY CAN’T REACH, WHO ALSO CAN’T GET TO DIST. CENTERS?! As someone else said, why didn’t they take the people out of NO in the first place rather than stick them in the Superdome? My husband and I wondered that before the storm hit: “Have they no busses?” It’s not rocket science to figure that the superdome is in the city, so it could very well flood (or just suffer the lack of plumbing and power, etc. that it’s suffering now.) I guess this is my rant for the day. Forgive the length, will you please? Meanwhile, my (repug, “Christian”) mother-in-law, in e-mail response to a comment about the hurricane & effected people that a man who “lost everything” called in to Rush Limbaugh and said they’re taking their credit cards and the three kids and going to Disneyworld. Like they won the world series or something! Isn’t that wonderful? Meanwhile, there are thousands being left to die a slow death of dehydration, who knows what all. My response was a barrage of news articles expounding on the dire situation. Posted by: Lori on September 1, 2005 03:02 PMGas prices in Denver & Milwaukee: $3/gal New article from tomflocco.com---mostly an interview with a former govt. operative who's coming forward with the truth about the murder of JFK jr.---good read and mentions some heartening things about those indictments and Fitzgerald's grand jury: http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/PurgeTheEvil.htm Posted by: Garry on September 1, 2005 03:29 PMObserve the expression. Observe the body language. This remind you of a photo taken in a classroom in FL on 9/11? Find my post on the last thread about my vision of B*.... Look at his eyes and you will see. Posted by: Cybear on September 1, 2005 03:57 PMThe battle is on. All souls who have ever lived are here now. Posted by: Cybear on September 1, 2005 04:01 PMFirst he say's it because 911, then he said it's like WWII, now it because of oil. http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=3942 This fiend must be stopped! Where is Fitzgerald, Dean, Kerry, Kennedy, Clinton? Impeach the @&#*#^ and we can save our planet. If not.....Be afraid, be very afraid. A bitter havest indeed. Posted by: Cybear on September 1, 2005 04:51 PMLori and all, i'm wondering whether or not this is just a trial run for FEMA. (Plans on tap to invade Iran by creating a nuclear event in the states.) While there would be some vandalism in an event such as this, lawlessness is the result of the fact that we TOOK NO ACTION to bring in food/water, the basic necessities of life. Most of the people affected appear to be people of color and that MAKES ME WANT TO SCREAM! karen Posted by: farrout on September 1, 2005 05:04 PMThe main focus is N.O. which is basically a people of color city. Cross the bridge and it's all races. New Orleans is getting a majority of the coverage because it's unfolding news minute by minute. Biloxi was hammered, news coming out of there is just as horrendous. Not much is being done for any of them, anywhere along the coast. I have been through a massive hurricane and did not have power or water for 11 days here in Houston. So you are basically left to fin for yourself. Also, our country is backrupt and there is no money for relief. We help out the world with handouts and now the world has turned their backs on us because of the fiend who is at the helm of this sinking ship. Posted by: Cybear on September 1, 2005 05:22 PMCybear, all- If the Iran offer is indeed true, that would be refused/unreported by the SCUM because it's not in the Zionist/Neocon best interests...read and draw your own conclusions.... http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index813.htm The post attributed to G, is from me, Garry. Oopsie! :) Posted by: Garry on September 1, 2005 05:47 PMThis is a great summary of why this IS the * Administration's fault. Spread it around: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2005_09/007023.php Posted by: mike on September 1, 2005 07:03 PMspread this around. it is the bill of impeachment. i'm not kidding. http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2005_09/007023.php Posted by: mike on September 1, 2005 07:04 PMKaren, I fully agree with your sentiments...of course the people mainly affected are Blacks -- typically make up a large percentage of the poor. (and who cares about the poor around here, eh?) makes me want to scream too! and yes, it makes perfect sense to me that people without even water & food would do these things. Plus, they already had NOTHING before this storm arrived! I don't completely understand your FEMA trial run comment; will you explain? Thanks. I do understand about the nuke attack to lead to Iran invasion part. My understanding is that the real reason FEMA was created was planning for future rebellious activity on the part of the populace -- clamp down and control. The "emergency management to help the people" thing was just a cover. Now that FEMA's been sucked up by "Homeland Security," the keepers of the Patriot Act Laws, it's all coming together. I believe FEMA was created around the time of the "Drug War." Which as far as I know is when all these nefarious plans really began to be created and put into place. I don't think they care about the people, I don't think they care about anything that's going on right now except in terms of how they can promote their own agendas: continue greedily taking all they can from the common people for their own pockets in whatever way(s) they can. ha, in other words, looting. Regardless, Karen, I sincerely would love to hear more. Thanks. Posted by: Lori on September 1, 2005 08:07 PMDaykeeper has a very interesting article on Pluto's going direct tomorrow, DC and GWB. I certainly don't have the expertise to comment on the article, but thought others might like to read it: Did you read the blog under Mike's 2nd post? Several have called this a genocide! Yessum, Pat QOP, the eyes to have it, don't they? As for a cover-up, this is so bad, so blatant, that they can't cover it up. And bringing Poppy and Big Dawg to "rescue" the mess just speaks volumes and volumes--all negative. Posted by: shylurker on September 1, 2005 08:37 PMI meant 'do' ("the eyes do have it"), but then you knew that. Posted by: shylurker on September 1, 2005 08:38 PMDearest fellow posters... bushaholic has no intention of helping anybody--particularly "black" people. It has never had any intention of being a real prez ...it was installed for the intents & purposes of olies & "rulers"--not for the good of the people. bushie is not bumbling. It is doing what it does on purpose & intent. For anyone hoping for it to do--or shame it to do--otherwise is in for a long continuous futile dark disappointment. It embodies pluto energies (on its ascendant) & is thus, a destoyer... a Cosmic Compost-maker. Then, it & its devils will sink there themselves. Thereafter, what COULD appear perhaps is a "Garden of Eden" d/t mulching. Posted by: JoannaOregon on September 1, 2005 08:38 PMGarry, that smirky,scum,shrub WILL never come around. We Interesting that his speech has this "NATURAL" Quite some time ago i read a series of pieces on FEMA, an extension of a secret government. Now that this agency has been sucked into Homeland Security, however, i really need to lay the blame there. So, Lori, i mis-spoke. Divisions of Homeland Security/aka FEMA may be preparing all of us -- or inuring the populace -- to more coming horror. Psychologically, people reach a saturation point. A death of psyche occurs when so much horror overwhelms the senses and sensibilities. That is why i made the statement above. Bit by bit, we have been exposed to so much horror, that what comes next will need another outlet. The populace jumps on the bandwagon believing we have been dealt another injustice by so-called "terrists." I firmly believe that only "we the people" can turn this worm. Impeachment articles must be presented, and not just for Bush. We have to shout, scream and fight what i've come to believe is "evil" personified. I intend to go boldly into the coming days. karen Posted by: farrout on September 1, 2005 08:44 PM"Also, I know it won't be easy dealing with some of these people, since so many of them will be ungrateful, but if I can show them by example that people truly care it will be worth it..." Karen, thank you. I understand, I think. Is it the same thing that allows people to live in the midst of a war? One is so shellshocked that one is not so fazed by horrendous things? And I see where you're going re: the nuke thing with regard to all this. JoAnna, :-) yes, we know. Truly we do. But still the feelings of outrage come, like wave after wave. Hmm, I thought the 2nd article Mike posted was same as first. I'll have to take another look. Posted by: Lori on September 1, 2005 08:51 PMSept. 1 (Bloomberg) -- Gasoline surged as much as 9.3 percent after Hurricane Katrina shut at least eight refineries, reducing U.S. fuel production by more than 10 percent and leading to scattered shortages. http://www.democrats.com/node/5893 Judi G, After Arianna's article scroll down and read the rants by James P. Concerned American - Have you ever been spit on or robbed by someone of they level when you are trying to help? I was not saying that all were ungrateful, I said some would be ungrateful, but I would show them by example that I care. I know what these people are going through to some extent. I am a healer, empath, psychic and I feel and experience things that most people have no idea of. If you have ever been in those neighborhoods where some of the refugees are from, you would know what I mean. Obviously you have not. It is one of the worst, if not worst neighborhoods in the country. Worse then S. Central L.A., Watts, or the wards here in Houston. Some of them have no understanding of love and compassion because they have never had it. Also, I'm a gay man that lives in a neighborhood of Black, White, Asian, Hindu, Hispanic and so on. My neighbors on both sides are black, so please don't think I am presumptuous or harsh for my comment. I am stating a fact. There is a criminal element there and they won't be happy with anything they get. I apologize for the rant, but I think those here would agree with me. Peace! Posted by: Cybear on September 1, 2005 09:26 PMPat QofP, Shylurker, Garry - His eyes look like what I described in the other thread of my vision. Dark with no soul shining through. Posted by: Cybear on September 1, 2005 09:29 PMmore fun reading here: http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=77&contentid=2687 and here Posted by: Garry on September 1, 2005 10:04 PMCybear, I am not trying to start a war of words with you. However, as one of 'them' ie.african american, I can truly say that the VAST majority of those that you come into contact with will be so focused on recieving your help, the ingratitude you expect will be negligible. I know the media has focused on some who are using this tragedy to 'loot' but again, the vast majority are just poor black folks caught in the crosshairs of nature and a negligent govt. response. I have never lived in New Orleans, I was raised in a poor black neighboorhood in Tennessee. Despite our portrayal in the media, most of us were working people making just enough to scrape by. We were minding our business and our children, trying to dodge those few in our community whose circumstances led them to drugs and despair all the while dealing with a larger community who saw us primarily as a source of cheap labor and dysfunction. Believe me when I say that your service is appreicated, just remember we are your fellow americans and human beings, not 'these people'. I respect you as a gay american helping out your countrymen. Posted by: concerned american on September 1, 2005 10:34 PMWhaddya think of Smirky's response to Katrina? Is federal help arriving fast enough? Hey Concerned American, where are you from? I'm from West TN orig.(Jackson/Lexington TN area) Welcome aboard, I think you'll like it here. Posted by: Garry on September 1, 2005 10:50 PMshylurker, In the above polls, smirky scum of a shrub is taking a sever beating.In the first, he polls My chart of NO has Pluto at 8 degrees Pisces, where Uranus is transiting exactly now. So we have the surfacing and unleashing of all these human poisons. Total chaos which so far can't be brought under control. Sudden violent catastrophic upheaval. Flooding and drowning. Disruption of oil flow. The lowest criminal behavior mixed with the highest of compassionate acts. Lots of tears. And demolition of illusions. Must be a major purge for this country as Pluto squares USA Neptune. I wonder if something magnificent will grow from the wreckage. I'd like to know why this spot was the chosen one for such an occurrence. Posted by: jm on September 1, 2005 11:07 PMConcerned American - When I say these or them I am not thinking of race. I don't think in those terms, I was not raised that way. I'm sorry it sounded like that. Posted by: Cybear on September 1, 2005 11:20 PMSpeaking of Pluto/Neptune... this incredible toxic soup is sitting stagnant now. The smell of decay is beyond belief. The snakes seems to be surviving. A copperhead was spotted swimming blithely through. Where have all the flowers gone? New Orleans was famous for them. Posted by: jm on September 1, 2005 11:20 PMYet once again the wisdom of Ben Franklin rings so true in this sad situation we find ourselves in: Garry, I was born and raised in Nashville, Tn. I lived in north nashville not far from Jefferson St. I left for college and have been in NYC/CT since. Posted by: Concerned American on September 1, 2005 11:35 PM
"No One Can Say they Didn't See it Coming" By Sidney Blumenthal 09/01/05 "Der Spiegel" -- -- In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut New Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war. Biblical in its uncontrolled rage and scope, Hurricane Katrina has left millions of Americans to scavenge for food and shelter and hundreds to thousands reportedly dead. With its main levee broken, the evacuated city of New Orleans has become part of the Gulf of Mexico. But the damage wrought by the hurricane may not entirely be the result of an act of nature. Posted by: wv on September 2, 2005 12:03 AMWelcome aboard, Concerned American. WV, thank you for the hard hitting articles you always seem to find! You know, if I resided in New Orleans and I was dirt poor with virtually nothing to my name, and I couldn't get out before the storm, and my skin was all white and freckly and my hair reddish like it is, and I'd been sitting in shit (literally) and toxic stew and stinky sweaty smell for days and had no water to drink and no food to eat and no where to go to the bathroom (I know how to shit in the woods, but being in the city is different), would I go looting for who knows what all? Well, I'd be one grabbing everything I could get my hands on to hydrate and eat, and maybe I'd want to find some clean clothes, but the short answer is HELL YEAH, DAMN STRAIGHT I would. And while stories I read of some of these poor people commandeering buses or perpetrating car jacks are sad when considering those negatively effected by these actions, the determination to live, to survive, to just get basic needs met and get the hell out -- especially when your life and your loved ones are the only things you got in this world -- that determination is awesome and admirable in my book. And I happen to find beauty and awe and purpose in death, no matter when/where/how it comes. There are many angles to this situation. Posted by: Lori on September 2, 2005 12:17 AM******More Jack Cafferty--Raises Race Issue******* This guy is on fire. This is how a good American citizen responds (irrespective of political affiliation). Any decent minded citizen feels this way. The neglect of helpless, starving, violated, victimized people is a crime and an outrage. GWB has inherited the wind!!! Cafferty: That would be until now. Slate.com's Jack Schafer wrote today in his column that television coverage has shied away from talking about race and class. Schafer says that we in the media are ignoring the fact that almost all of the victims in New Orleans are black and poor. And he's right. Almost every person we've seen, from the families stranded on their rooftops waiting to be rescued, to the looters, to the people holed up in the Superdome, are black and poor. *Many of them didn't follow the evacuation orders because they didn't have the means to get out of town. They just couldn't do it.* A lot of them are sick, a lot of them don't have cars, a lot of them just didn't have the means to leave "The Big Easy." And they're still there. So here's the question: What role have race and class played in the Gulf Coast crisis? You tell us. CaffertyFile -- one word -- CNN.com. Wolf, we got something like 7500 letters in the first hour of the program today. I thought we got a lot yesterday -- we got about 6000 letters over the course of the three hours yesterday. Seventy-five hundred e-mails poured in in the first hour. One of them suggested I could be tied up in IRS audits for years after the things I said about the federal government in the first hour. BLITZER: That's all right. You have nothing to hide, Jack. CAFFERTY: Okay, Wolf. Posted by: on September 2, 2005 12:21 AMBut I'm not there in that situation. And I would just ask: why is it that seems like all the faces I see of the poor people in NO are brown ones? (I've seen some white ones in MS) Could it be our nasty-ass economic structure? Just ranting. I know you know. (Not to say there aren't some very poor whites, too; of course there are.) Posted by: Lori on September 2, 2005 12:22 AM
By Mike Whitney Welcome to Bush's America; where the uber-rich can expect lavish tax cuts and the huddled masses get a 3 day lock-up at the Superdome; where the government redirects desperately-needed resources to the oil wars in Mesopatamia and entire regions disappear beneath the flood-waters at home. Lori....will join you in ranting if it is ok.....rant rant rant.....it may be all we can do right now other than sending money. But certainly, the poorest people always live in the most vulnerable physical areas....dumping grounds for all sorts of things.... this just in from Claudia Dikinis: BREAKING: Sec of State Condi Rice caught buying several-thousand-dollar pair of shoes in NYC moments ago, spends last night at Broadway show! Good God. From Gawker, moments ago: According to Drudge, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has recently enjoyed a little Broadway entertainment. And Page Six reports that she‚s also working on her backhand with Monica Seles. So the Gulf Coast has gone all Mad Max, women are being raped in the Superdome, and Rice is enjoying a brief vacation in New York. We wish we were surprised. What does surprise us: Just moments ago at the Ferragamo on 5th Avenue, Condoleeza Rice was seen spending several thousands of dollars on some nice, new shoes (we‚ve confirmed this, so her new heels will surely get coverage from the WaPo‚s Robin Givhan). A fellow shopper, unable to fathom the absurdity of Rice‚s timing, went up to the Secretary and reportedly shouted, „How dare you shop for shoes while thousands are dying and homeless!‰ Never one to have her fashion choices questioned, Rice had security PHYSICALLY REMOVE the woman. Angry Lady, whoever you are, we love you. You are a true American.
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/ Posted by: wv on September 2, 2005 12:33 AMAnd Condi is a black woman from the south.....on the outside, I guess...on the inside a fashion maven rivaling Imelda Marcos with no sense of heart or propriety....reminds me that Bill Frist got caught buying expensive shoes not long ago also..... Posted by: judi g on September 2, 2005 12:38 AMWow, Michael is fascinating on Katrina. Here's an excerpt: But Mother Nature was not allowed to pursue her own course. On-planet weather controllers, who intended even more death and destruction than is being discovered, saw and seized the opportunity to cause that. By reducing the wind velocity, ET technology thwarted those intentions to the greatest extent possible, but their efforts to deflect the path of the storm were seriously hampered by the controllers’ determined steering of the hurricane into their desired location. Katrina became a battlefield of technologies, and even though the ET’s is more advanced than that developed on-planet, it could not disperse the powerful momentum of that energy so as to prevent the sea inundating low-lying areas. Read all! http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=41&z=2 Posted by: Laurie on September 2, 2005 01:06 AMBeen wonderin' where the "old boy" was........................... Dick Cheney is headed for Calgary, Alberta, Canada on September 8th and hosted by the The Fraser Institute AND.this man is 3rd in the line of succession??? http://english.ohmynews.com/TALK_BACK/bbs_view.asp?ba_code=63&bb_code=301798 What does surprise us: Just moments ago at the Ferragamo on 5th Avenue, Condoleeza Rice was seen spending several thousands of dollars on some nice, new shoes (we‚ve confirmed this, so her new heels will surely get coverage from the WaPo‚s Robin Givhan). A fellow shopper, unable to fathom the absurdity of Rice‚s timing, went up to the Secretary and reportedly shouted, „How dare you shop for shoes while thousands are dying and homeless!‰ Never one to have her fashion choices questioned, Rice had security PHYSICALLY REMOVE the woman. You don't suppose Bhakti was in Ferragamos, this afternoon do you? Manifest Bushtiny has finally arrived. The divine right of Christian-corporatism to take from us, has come to be on the way out. Saturn 135 Pluto is the reason for the horror and death that N.O has now. It passes on the 9th and then Saturn will conjunct the Idiot in Chief's Asc on the 12th. Leveegate, Femapolitcalappointment gate and protective marshland gate will be Laurie ... "on planet weather controllers"??? I don't think so. Wondering also why Walmart doesn't share the wealth they have made from so many poor all over the country and hire a few trucks or planes and air drop some of their Sams Club water to the needy stuck on rooftops or elsewhere. And, how about those Christian "Mega-churches" .. gots lots of room and they could practice what they preach for once and actually show some Christianity to the homeless and poor! You have to wonder why these mega churchs don't offer help when they have bragged at how many people their churhes can hold! Now they could put their "faith" into action ... but they seem so silent. I hope this is the domino that causes the whole house of Bush to fall. Posted by: Camille on September 2, 2005 02:08 AM
Thursday 01 September 2005 Austin, Texas - Like many of you who love New Orleans, I find myself taking short mental walks there today, turning a familiar corner, glimpsing a favorite scene, square or vista. And worrying about the beloved friends and the city, and how they are now. To use a fine Southern word, it's tacky to start playing the blame game before the dead are even counted. It is not too soon, however, to make a point that needs to be hammered home again and again, and that is that government policies have real consequences in people's lives. http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/090105Q.shtml Posted by: wv on September 2, 2005 02:13 AMTee-hee PatQ! Don't shop in bushwazie stores; more street than elite :-) Been lurking. (((Sally's cousin))) The worst thing and what we need to keep alive in other people's minds is that the world offered Bush help and he refused. He is insane, totally gone. There is no excuse for this. Venus and Jupiter are large and very close together tonight. Go look and enjoy Nature and it's silence and the song of the stars. Keep joy alive quietly inside. I do not know how else to stay sane in such insanity. Posted by: bhakti on September 2, 2005 02:32 AMAnybody catch this little gem? (This is from a Yahoo news item this afternoon, which was posted out on Buzzflash and Raw Story today). Snip -- WASHINGTON - It makes no sense to spend billions of dollars to rebuild a city that's seven feet under sea level, House Speaker Dennis Hastert said of federal assistance for hurricane-devastated New Orleans. Doesn't this make ya proud to be an Amurican? This city is over 300 years old. The history of this place is priceless. My mind is staggered that any human being could think like this. And this is the guy that is third in succession to King George. Posted by: Susan on September 2, 2005 02:41 AMPat QOP.....If Bhakti posted here, then she isn't the one behind bars now! but that is a really funny take! I sent this to my ex in NYC....he will be scouring the paper to see if it makes the reg. news....In talking to my ex a few minutes ago I cracked up.....I have helped politicize him a bit, I think....he was totally gleeful that the NYTimes had the story on the chimpanzee DNA being the same as man's on the same news cycle as right on the heels of hastert saying to bulldoze N.O.....I see this at raw story....http://www.sploid.com/news/2005/09/01/fema-directing-donations-to-rev-pat-robertson-123509.php FEMA is directing donations to none other than Pat Robertson!!!!!!!! Posted by: judi g on September 2, 2005 03:00 AMUnreal... Police: Miss. Man Kills Sister Over Bag Of Ice POSTED: 12:14 am EDT September 1, 2005 HATTIESBURG, Miss. -- Police in Hattiesburg, Miss., said a man fatally shot his sister in the head over a bag of ice. http://www.local6.com/news/4923019/detail.html Posted by: Cybear on September 2, 2005 03:01 AMI agree with all of the comments here about the white classes and people with means (more of them probably white than black)being the lucky ones as we had the cars and means to leave. Just a FYI - for those not aware of NOLA's demographics, it is 60% black so you are always going to see a lot of Black Americans in any photos of the city. As for Dennis Hasert's comments, I don't think they are going to win him any popularity contests. NOLA will be rebuilt and better than before but I won't be surprised if a lot of people relocate. Others will move here though. It happens in South FL. No matter the risk, people want to live there. My greatest wish is that the story gets out about the funding cuts that would have allowed the levees to be repaired and strengthened (it was mentioned in passing on CNN today by someone named Shep), as well as the fact that the 3000 lb sandbags were supposed to be dropped by the Black Hawks BEFORE the levee became waterlogged and broke. My second wish is that all of the funds being raised do not get mismanaged. Posted by: Sharon on September 2, 2005 03:18 AMHowever, there is definitely a very thriving middle class of Black Americans in NOLA. Also, since there's good transportation here (street car lines and buses), and the fact that its not all that large of a city, means that many people elect to not have cars. Posted by: Sharon on September 2, 2005 03:21 AMOh my, so much here! Judi G, I LOVE ranting with you! I sure do not mind and welcome you! It's true all many of us can do is rant & give what money we can spare. HILARIOUS to suggest Bhakti accosting Sleaza in a shoe store! HAHAHAHAH, Bhakti, bet you WISH it was you! hahaha! I did see white folk in NO on this evening's news. Later I wondered, "Hmm, are those tourists?" Cybear, that is how desperate people with no water, food, etc etc etc in the high humidity high heat after an enormous, incomprehensible tragedy/trauma has struck may behave. Desperate people do desperate things. Sad but I think not at all unreal, myself. More to be expected. What's amazing is all the people "keeping it together." It's true no one has mentioned (on my rabbit ears tv) the race/class issue (again, yes they knew it was coming: could they NOT have gotten the buses for evacuations BEFORE it hit?) Still, I tell you, CBS is doing a fine job: "Everyone is wondering where the supplies for the victims are!" the correspondents say, one after another. Oh, if only I had the means, I'd get someone to take me up in a helicopter and drop some water myself! And maybe food too; but you can go longer, better, without food than without water. Tho' it all still is horrible. Posted by: Lori on September 2, 2005 03:22 AMMoveOn has posted a list of people in the Southeast who can offer free housing to NOLA refugees--you complete a form, i.e. how many? how many days? handicap access? etc. Posted by: Barbara on September 2, 2005 03:22 AMConcerned American- We all know that wasn't Bhakti that confronted Condo-leaser b/c Bhakti would've punched her methinks(and that very image makes me smile, btw). Just heard on my local Fox/Sinclair station that their gonna fly Chimpy over NOLA again tomorrow(I think) and they said he's gonna make some stops And a last note to Camille---I respectfully direct you to the link I posted above: I believe it was none other than Tesla who first discovered the potential for energy/atmosphere manipulation, and if anyone wants to Google and prove/disprove me on that, please do so.... keep the faith babies and fight the power..... If youa re not already insane enough from the day's events, have a look at this one. Bush is REFUSING foreign help for all the suffering on the Gulf Coast. WASHINGTON - In a dramatic turnabout, the United States is now on the receiving end of help from around the world as some two dozen countries offer post-hurricane assistance. snip However, in Moscow, a Russian official said the U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency had rejected a Russian offer to dispatch rescue teams and other aid. snip Offers have been received from Russia, Japan, Canada, France, Honduras, Germany, Venezuela, Jamaica, Australia, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Greece, Hungary, Colombia, the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Mexico, China, South Korea, Israel, the United Arab Emirates, NATO and the Organization of American States, the spokesman said. snip Still, Bush told ABC-TV: “I’m not expecting much from foreign nations because we hadn’t asked for it. I do expect a lot of sympathy and perhaps some will send cash dollars. But this country’s going to rise up and take care of it.” “You know,” he said, “we would love help, but we’re going to take care of our own business as well, and there’s no doubt in my mind we’ll succeed. And there’s no doubt in my mind, as I sit here talking to you, that New Orleans is going to rise up again as a great city.” http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9161198/ Posted by: Nancy on September 2, 2005 03:25 AMfor all of you who love theoretical physics and love it even more when it is written by a WOMAN (take THAT, Larry Summers), please take a look at this piece on Lisa Randall, who wrote: oops, that should've been "they're" not "their"--I apologize for my usage error above(those things drive me crazy, can anyone tell?) Posted by: Garry on September 2, 2005 03:25 AMHey, Sharon, you sound like you're doing fairly well (considering). Thank you for sharing info about life in NO. You have broadened my understanding. And YES! The levees could've been saved before they failed; which only takes us back to "WTF?! Who are these heartless 'humans?!' " Posted by: Lori on September 2, 2005 03:26 AMNancy--
B* is no longer safe no matter where he goes. I see a big black swirling cloud around him. New Orleans Voodoo energy. Posted by: Cybear on September 2, 2005 03:30 AMDear God, what a nightmare! They might as well be in Lebanon during the civil war, or in Baghdad. No police, no food, no gas, no water...insufferably hot...rape, murder, tourist being gunned down, people clawing for whatever... and our government could have been prepared for this. At least in Lebanon and Iraq there were no governments to speak of. Incidentally: more asteroids for Smirky...The asteroid Baghdad sits on the other side of his 12th house Saturn at 27 Cancer17, Asteroid Babel sits not far from the Asteroid Barbara in the 10th house at 13 Taurus 34, Asteroid Arabi sits right past his Jupiter in the 3rd house at 20 Libra 37, and the Asteroid Arabia sits in his 8th house in Pices at 19 Pices 12 square his north node and Uranus in Gemini in the 11th and his natal south node and transiting Pluto in the 5th. Posted by: Beasley on September 2, 2005 03:30 AMBreaking news on ABCnews.com: The Senate unanimously approved a 10.5 billion dollar relief package for New Orleans. Posted by: Teresa on September 2, 2005 03:38 AMGarry: "my first impression was, he'd better be wearing kevlar(with Pluto going direct tomorrow)......anyone else hear this and have a similar sense of BWYA(better watch your assets)?" Why yes, someone else mentioned that to me. To which I replied, "Then Dick would have to show his face." He's always hiding, isn't he? Could be interesting for him to have to face it all/us all! Posted by: Lori on September 2, 2005 03:43 AMAND the Asteroid Baton Rouge is at 1 Leo 27 just past the Asteroid Baghdad in his 12th house and the Asteroid Louise is at 9 Virgo 12 right next to his Mars in the 2nd. This is too absurd! Posted by: Beasley on September 2, 2005 03:49 AMWell said Sharon. Lori - I know desperate people do desperate things, it's called survival. But, damn.... As far as the situation in N.O., it's completely unacceptable that food and water has not been dropped in by now. It's like the Fiend is doing some kind of experiment on the people of New Orleans. It makes you wonder...they are doing rescues with helicopters, but why did they not bring in some supplies. Those copters can haul a lot. I really believe they, meaning the Fiend and his minions, are letting go of the city and then will say there is no money to rebuild. The whole thing is becoming very overwhelming.
Yes, Cybear. I'm with you. Posted by: Lori on September 2, 2005 03:52 AMLori, I am doing good. In a beautiful safe place built high overlooking a lake, in a "fish camp" or lodge on Easy Living Lane (kid you not) in Downville, LA. I have internet access, CDs to watch, books to read. I actually have been struggling with "survivor's guilt" the past few days. Today, my sister-in-law got me to go to a small local gym who said they'd charge us $25 for the week since we are hurricane evacuees. The place we're staying in was due to the generosity of a family friend. I think things turned around a bit today in the The Big Easy. The military was sent in with every form of transportation available and are now more effective at rescuing and distributing supplies. Also, troops will be arriving daily to secure the city against looting. This is one time that some form of martial law IS necessary. But Bush will not get away with his b.s. for much longer. And the more I think about it, the more I think that Clinton is involved, too. Posted by: Sharon on September 2, 2005 03:56 AMThis just reported on SKY TV here: Apparently there are several Australians in the area and families are very concerned. Australian government has offered personnel experienced in disaster rescue to lookfor/help Aust. citizens (as well as US citizens) but US authorities have refused to let them in. Posted by: kiwijeanie on September 2, 2005 04:00 AMI've been very depressed but today feel somewhat more hopeful about the suffering in the Gulf areas. I hope MS and AL get the help they need in addition to NOLA. If Bush turns down foreign aide and that becomes unpopular, I think he'll be forced to change his position...it's happened before. As for us, as comfortable as we are right now, we will be leaving here in about a week to go to CO and, after that, living a bit like gypsies, visiting friends and relatives. It may be a bit difficult living out of a suit case but we really are blessed. I have no right to complain really. I'm hoping we can take a quick trip back to NOLA as the mayor will be letting people in for short periods of time (45 minutes I've heard) to pick up our important papers and a few more things (like warmer clothes as we'll be going to CO soon). We are all safe and well and have a great family. We'll be doing our driving in a Prius so that will help during the gas crunch. Posted by: Sharon on September 2, 2005 04:05 AM Sharon - I will be sending you Reiki shortly to help you through this. Posted by: Cybear on September 2, 2005 04:28 AMPlease read the article at this link and consider its implications for yourselves--I'm not advocating what this article says, but I present it merely as another opinion or food for thought, NOT as flame-bait. I have no viable alternative suggestions or qualms about the Red Cross. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2005/010905redcross.htm Posted by: Garry on September 2, 2005 04:29 AMCybear, all-- I just want to say thanks Laurie for posting that, it's the single most positive and reassuring thing I've read in about 4 years and it gave me hope. I hope it similarly comforted you all. ((Sharon/Myron))) I would never punch. Not in the best of moods. Thanks Nancy for posting *'s refusal of aide and to mike for doing the same on DU. Well, like a posted to the earlier article, Bush will suffer by not seeming sympathetic to the victims. Well, I quess I was right on that one... BECAUSE HE"S NOT SYMPATHETIC. When he had that last speach, I had this feeling that New Orleans was a hinderance to him and something he really doesn't care about. Why should he care. I mean, this is just a bunch of democratic African-Americans and poor whites that didn't vote for him anyway. Bush just serves Americans when it is politically advantageous. And he claims himself to be a great Christian on top of that!!!! This is sick and I am angry at the inaction of my government as innocent people (including babies dying of dehydration) die because of federal inaction on the part of the feds. I don't even think that Bush has set up a Katrina Crisis room. After 911, Bush was on the ball because he saw political gain. This crisis on the other hand means nothing to him. Posted by: Travieso on September 2, 2005 04:54 AMGarry - Just checked that out. I really don't think this has anything to do with weather manipulation and I am a little leary of a lot of the 'channeled' information that is out there. This was an act of nature. My visions play out like a short film with all types of images that are usually very symbolic. I don't get dates or times, just scene's. If it is something from the past I see the era or time period, the future ones are more complicated. It's hard to determine what is real sometimes. But, most of the time when it is right on, the images are intense. I had posted on the other thread about a huge wave I saw a month or so ago that was heading somewhere, but I did not know where or what I could do. The one I had of the Fiend that I posted on the last thread still gives me the creeps. And sometimes things come to me as a very clear thought, like the universe opens up and there the truth is. But, playing with the weather did not cause this.
Also, what I was 'seeing' in the previous thread about the Fiend is the destruction he is bringing upon us and the world. I think he has fulfilled his time here and will soon be gone. He has accomplished his mission. Like I said up thread, I see a dark swirling cloud around him and he is no longer safe. I also think Cheney has been hidden due to health reasons and will pop up soon to spin the web of deceit once more. Posted by: Cybear on September 2, 2005 05:05 AMSally, I hope that your pain is bearable and that your loved ones are benefiting from your wisdom as much as we all have. Posted by: jm on September 2, 2005 05:42 AMI just read on MSNBC that Bush plans to visit Friday. I don't like the sound of this. I think that his personal safety is an issue here. Something major will come out of this that is a karmic event. I hope I'm wrong. Which, I probably am. Posted by: Travieso on September 2, 2005 06:07 AMVisit the New Orleans and the gulf coast. Posted by: Travieso on September 2, 2005 06:10 AMHe's visiting on Friday? Tomorrow Sept 2nd? Isn't that the date that Nancy (or perhaps someone else) said would be real bad for him astrologically? Sally, I'm so very sorry to hear about your cousin. Posted by: NEOBuckeye on September 2, 2005 07:41 AMAnyone catch this one? Just as Nero fiddled while Rome Burned... Bush twangs (his guitar) while New Orleans drowns! I kid you not. On August 30, 2005... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050830/480/capm10208301856 Even readers of the notoriously pro-Bushco conservative/right wing Wall Street Journal are turning on Bushco. According to a new on-line poll recently done, 72% of readers rate the govt.'s performance re Katrina as either F (51%) or D (21%). Also the e-mails are very, very angry. I have never seen anything even remotely like this in the U.S. in my 57 years, and I have lived through Watergate, Vietnam, The 1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago, the assassinations of the Kennedy bros., MLK, and of course 911, Iraq, etc. etc. The proof is now irrefutable, and all over the media, thank God, that Bushco's refusal to pay to strengthen the lake's levees even after repeated warnings at the highest levels, that if not done, NO could be the victim of a major, major catastrophe during a big hurricane!! In fact, people who vociferously protested this decision in govt. at the time were even pressured to resign!! (that 'dang science thing tryin' to get in the way of more tax cuts for needy hungry billionaires and to pay for more insane foreign adventures again. Hot damn, cant let that happin')!!! Posted by: Grizzly on September 2, 2005 07:49 AMI don't know what to make of any of this just yet. My head is still spinning at the implications of this disaster, and how everything continues to unravel. I don't think it's ever been more glaring to anyone on this planet just how criminally incompetent and totally heartless the Bush gang is. What kind of world leader refuses aid from other countries in the wake of a NATURAL DISASTER? These people absolutely do not give a damn about anyone! Certainly not the poor, downtrodden, suffering and now dying of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast. But also not even their fellow Republicans in Congress, who ought to be severely routed by We The People in 2006. Bush has totally failed even them. Only the oil (Saudi/Exxon) and weapons companies (Carlyle) seem to be profiting from this catastrophe. Wake up, America. The NeoConservative dream is nothing less than an endless, dreadful nightmare. Posted by: NEOBuckeye on September 2, 2005 08:07 AMCNN wants to know what you think about the response to Katrina: This is the one of the most compelling and accurate assessments of the New Orleans tragedy by Van Jones. My sympathy to all on this board personally affected by this tragedy(posters and lurkers alike). http://www.huffingtonpost.com/van-jones/bushs-role-in-the-drowni_b_6634.htmledy from Huffpost. Posted by: Concerned American on September 2, 2005 02:04 PMnow I'm truly ready to gag - mom karen is attempting to spin distraction. These people are so out of touch!!! Does New Orleans have a birth chart? Posted by: Teresa on September 2, 2005 02:47 PMOops...sorry. Claudia has chart info on New Orleans. City of New Orleans, February 10, 1718 (No reliable time known), New Orleans, Louisiana, 29N57, 90W04. Posted by: Teresa on September 2, 2005 02:49 PM
So why were New Orleans and the nation so unprepared? After 9/11, hard questions were deferred in the name of national unity, then buried under a thick coat of whitewash. This time, we need accountability. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/02/opinion/02krugman.html?pagewanted=print Posted by: wv on September 2, 2005 02:53 PMJust did a card reading on what will be the outcome of this disaster and it's effect on the heartless soul of the fiend. Pulled the TOWER card. Indicates an unexpected shock or disaster change life completely. Actions in the past will have consequences that were never imagined. The tower they have carefully created will be destroyed. Plans and ambitions will be shattered. Built with poor materials of misguided ambition, false values, and pride. Will force him to face the facts. If he tries to build the same tower again, it will also fail. The dark around the Fiend grows darker and darker. His time will soon end. Posted by: Cybear on September 2, 2005 02:54 PMMR BILL FOR PRESIDENT.....
ooops---remove the of at the end of the url above and the link will work--sorry!!! Posted by: Garry on September 2, 2005 03:02 PMKiwiJeannie and All - Take a look at that whore's eye's from the picture in your link. Dark and with no soul. Just like the rest of them. I cannot believe they are still spinning that hate fest next week. Posted by: Cybear on September 2, 2005 03:14 PMBuddha, Gods and Goddesses bless Michael Moore. http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2005-09-02 Posted by: Cybear on September 2, 2005 03:31 PMI don't think Cheney is hiding out per se. He's sniffing around Canada's oil companies, particulary the companies which can extract oil from sand...Canada has oil, but also an effective way to extract oil from difficult terrain and market it. These companies are on everybody's "Buy" list in various and sundry financial stock reports. - - - - - - - - - - - - Sept. 2, 2005 | For the third time since George W. Bush became president, Americans are paying a catastrophic price for bad government. As the costs are tallied once more in death and dollars, we are being told that the wise and patriotic thing to do is shut up -- as if good citizens are obliged to remain silent about unwise and incompetent leadership. Honest political debate over how and why we lost the great city of New Orleans, according to the latest dictates from the right, means "an excess of recrimination," "finger-pointing" and "villain hunting." Such a "vulgar" exercise risks overshadowing our normal national unity and generosity in confronting disaster with "divisiveness" and "partisanship." We are piously advised instead to do good and find common ground, to "be humble, compassionate and helpful." Thus speak the sages of the New York Post and the Wall Street Journal. http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2005/09/02/criticizing_bush/print.html Posted by: wv on September 2, 2005 04:08 PM
The horror in New Orleans has exposed the nation's dirty secrets of race and poverty. Americans are ready to help. Will our leaders show the way? Left: Milvertha Hendricks, 84, waits in the rain with other flood victims outside the convention center in New Orleans Thursday. - - - - - - - - - - - - Sept. 1, 2005 | The nightmare in New Orleans has a lot to tell us about poverty: the desperate poverty of the city's African-American population, of course, but also the poverty of political debate in the U.S. today. The crisis unfolding before us -- dispossession, looting, people shooting at rescue workers, the president's dim response, and now, people dying in front of our eyes outside the Superdome -– rubs our noses in so much that's wrong in our country, it's excruciating to watch. But I'm especially struck by the inability of our existing political discourse to describe, let alone to solve, the intractable social problems that have come together in this flood whose proportions and portents seem almost biblical. http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2005/09/01/katrina_race/print.html Posted by: wv on September 2, 2005 04:36 PMfrom cnn.com go vote Has President Bush done enough to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina? Posted by: Morgana on September 2, 2005 05:15 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/stevebell/0,7371,1561417,00.html Posted by: wv on September 2, 2005 05:18 PM'Casual to the point of careless' - Bush under fire for slow reaction http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article309696.ece Posted by: wv on September 2, 2005 05:31 PM
Much of this is embodied in the odd phrasing that even the most circumspect mainstream media sources have been using to describe the hardest-hit victims of the storm and its devastating aftermath: "those who chose to stay behind." Instantly, the situation has been framed with language to flatter the prejudices of the comfortable and deny the reality of the most vulnerable. http://counterpunch.org/floyd09012005.html The Fiend is squirming on CNN. Reporters are cutting him no slack. He's hopping around like he's on a bed of coals. Posted by: Cybear on September 2, 2005 06:54 PMGuess what, Darth Cheney has Machiavelli (19730) natally at 2Cap59 on his 5th house cusp. His King (asteroid 2305) is at 5Lib59 near his NN in his second. His Lucifer (1930) is in his 10th at 16Gem10. Since dubya (a Cancer) is his puppet I find it interesting that the asteroid Pinocchio (12972) is at 17Cancer15 in Darth's chart. Posted by: Jill G on September 2, 2005 08:12 PMI didn't have time to read the other comments but i have a suggestion. It would be a great boost to these neighbors NOT refugees, to get a concert lifting their moral and spirits. Here we get the concerts to raise money for them and there they are with no toilets no water no lights get my drift? there are generators and portapots and now water and things can be done. tell me are we above ourselves that we cant go in and provide a service to someone and give a little to someone. i know this isnt coming out right but i know you understand what i am trying to say. please respond. kim Posted by: kim on September 3, 2005 04:50 AMOmigod. Katrina/New Orleans. The wound that will not heal. I had been wondering how your Chironic prediction would pan out. Amazing. Posted by: Dawn on September 5, 2005 12:52 AMhttp://www.bestgamblingonlineguides.com/ I agree with you .
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