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A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.


Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny

The above quotes are by Thomas Jefferson. I've noticed in the last year or so our journalists, pundits, and politicians are trying to channel our founding fathers. I've heard more talk of Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, Hancock, Paine (one of my personal favorite) and more. We are all looking hard for guidance, direction because whether we consciously know it or not, collectively we are in a Revolution.

I posted this on the last thread but am transfering to here because Mars will be the major player until mid February. No matter what additional aspects including Arabic Parts, Asteroids, mid-points, Harmonic Aspects, etc, those are fun to watch and play with, but Mars in Taurus will be the "unhappy" guide through fall and winter. Mars just doesn't like Taurus.

The 2000 Grand Conjunction of Jupiter/Saturn (our 20 year clock) in May 2000 was at 22 Taurus, Mars goes Retrograde this year at barely a degree past that conjunction, plus barely a degree away from the 2001 Inaugural Saturn. Some frustrated anger building here. Mars will go back and forth in Taurus until mid February. At various times over the next few months, firey Mars will square Transiting Saturn, oppose Transiting Jupiter (when Jupiter goes into Scorpio) square Transiting Neptune. Mars is going to be slapping us all around. No help from his big Daddy Pluto, they are going to inconjunct, confusion as to how power should be used or displayed. Timing off with that aspect. But the biggest and loudest drumbeat will come as Mars aspects the malevolent Grand Fixed Cross eclipse of August 11, 1999.

As soon as I can I will write more later tomorrow (after work) in the meantime, I am putting up a new thread. I want to address Ms. Sheehan. This act tonight of "bubba" in Texas mowing down those crosses on a stationary direct Mercury will have the same effect as those "white men" arresting Rosa Parks. The same effect as those school children in the south being attacked. The same effect as throwing the "Iron Angels" into prison and they went on a hunger strike and ended up with the right to vote.

On the afternoon of August 19th the die will be cast for Cindy and where it all goes for her. Somewhere in all this the "Widows from New Jersey" and a couple of other 9/11 groups will join forces with all this. If GWB sees a cloud over Texas, I wouldn't count on it being a passing storm if I were he.

"And So I Rise" You see Cindy's destiny is tied up with the destiny of the women in this country and it shows very plainly in her chart. More later either today or tomorrow.

Sally Cheyne McDonald on Aug 16 | Link
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You know the guy who ran down the crosses at Crawford, well the town was meeting to see if it was time to throw Cindy and group out. Then low and behold, a very close neighbor of George Bush's (lives right across the road from him) is giving them his land, over an acre, to camp out. Why they will be so close they can say "howdy" to Mr. Bush and wave, as he rides by on his bike.

Here is the link, as one guy says "to the red-necks, karma is hell, it just came back to bite you in the ass.'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2012456

Posted by: Sally on August 16, 2005 08:45 AM

That was little me.

Posted by: jm on August 16, 2005 09:03 AM

"Emergence of the Progressive Blogosphere:
A New Force in American Politics

Since March of 2005, the total number of blogs has grown from 7.8 million to 14.2 million. At this rate, the online universe is doubling in size every five months.This memo is a comprehensive look at the underlying dynamics of these online communities, along with a targeted analysis of how to engage them to generate political power."

http://www.ndnpac.org/npi/blogreporthtml.html


Posted by: jm on August 16, 2005 01:50 PM

Sally, as always, your passion for what's right and good touches me.

I am trying to control my anger and frustration as I think of that contemptible "little" human being who mowed down the crosses. God, there's got to be a change.

Posted by: Janet on August 16, 2005 01:56 PM

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/index.html

Why does the Washington Post hate America?

We told you last week about the Pentagon's plans for a big 9/11 party. We thought, and we think, that the event -- which will feature an America Supports You Freedom Walk and a county music concert headlined by Clint "I Raq and Roll" Black -- is an oddly celebratory way to mark the fourth anniversary of the terrorist attacks and a shameful attempt to link them, yet again, with the president's war in Iraq. But we failed to mention what might be the weirdest thing about the whole deal: The event's sponsors include not just the Stars and Stripes newspaper, the Pentagon Federal Credit Union, Lockheed Martin and a few local TV stations, but . . . the Washington Post.

Or at least they did. As Editor & Publisher is reporting, the Post came to its senses last night and announced that it is pulling out of the Pentagon's party plan. In a fine bit of understatement, a Post spokesman said that it "appears that this event could become politicized," and that the paper will therefore commemorate 9/11 by making a contribution to the Pentagon Memorial Fund instead.

The move came after the Post heard complaints from readers, bloggers and from some of its own employees. As E&P explains, leaders of the Newspaper Guild at the paper passed a resolution Monday noting that the Post's "news employees are subject to disciplinary action for participating in political activities that may be perceived as revelatory of personal opinions or bias" and asking that the Post hold itself to the same standard. "The Guild supports the Post's stated intention of honoring the nation's veterans, including those who have served in Iraq," the resolution said. "But the Post undermines this goal by lending its support to a political event that links the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks to the war in Iraq -- a link that the Post, in its reporting, has shown to be false."

Posted by: Pat C on August 16, 2005 02:26 PM

Pass the popcorn. Let's toast that mower and thank our lucky stars for his neanderthal mentality. This action will cause a major shift. Too many people online reading real news are not going to let this action slide in to the * news abyss. The fact that * is a dumbass and does not read news let alone the blogs is a great thing for us to be steps ahead.

Speaking of shifts, what is going on? Personally, I feel so ecstatic and the feeling keeps lasting. My creative life feels blown open. On the macrocasmic level people are not putting up with hypocrisy. Women, Mother energy feels here to stay. The mind bowing to the emotions. Cindy Peace is a movement that is going to keep growing.

When Princess Diana died I saw a field filled with flowers in my mind's eye. Then the next day on the news there it was, a mountain of flowers in front of Buckingham Palace. I keep seeing Crawford's crowds growing by the day, A Frank Capra film come to life. Very uplifting and the old spirit of what I believe America is ressurected (never really died). Let's see.

Roses for *'s generous neighbor. Must really be sick of the BFEE by now. Think about neighbors who are really annoying in your own hoods.

It's payback time. About time.

Posted by: bhakti on August 16, 2005 02:27 PM

"I don't like it when people lie about me and attack me for exercising my freedom of speech," she said. "It's one thing for Bill O'Reilly to disagree with my politics and my view on the war, but it's absolutely another thing that he attacked me personally. I'm not going to dignify his show with my presence because I believe his show is an obscenity to the truth and to humanity."

http://tinyurl.com/an6sf

Ohhhh Cindy, if only Corporate Media would pick up your words! Most Americans agree with you. Enough of the 'personal attack' that is the trademark of the GOP!

If you click on the link above you will read that the Secret Service (SS - that seems to be appropriate these days) has been intimidating her since she arrived in Crawford.

Posted by: Jo on August 16, 2005 02:45 PM

This poll really needs your help.
http://www.startribune.com/stories/1592/5562586.html

Posted by: shylurker on August 16, 2005 03:45 PM

Posted in the wee hours this morning by Scott Galindez at truthout:

... The highlight of the day had to be the pig farmers. These three old boys looked like they walked off the ranch down the road (wouldn't want to compare anyone with the rancher across the street). These guys were from West Texas. They are very angry with the play rancher down the road a few miles and are behind Cindy one hundred percent. These guys drove their tractors to DC to protest "The Pig Tax." One of these farmers happened to have a cousin with a ranch closer to George and land that Camp Casey can move to. Like Cindy said, another Camp Casey miracle ...

Posted by: shylurker on August 16, 2005 03:49 PM

Petition for an Iraq Exit Strategy:
http://www.pdamerica.org/petition/iraq-withdraw-petition.php

Posted by: shylurker on August 16, 2005 04:16 PM

TO Pat QOP -

I don't know if this is just superstion - but this really seemed to help me with my horrible financial problems. Thought I'd pass it on to you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=245&topic_id=7192&mesg_id=7192

Posted by: SuzieLiberal on August 16, 2005 05:06 PM

what is wrong with these people? did they not have mothers? were they created in labs?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-08-15-roberts_x.htm

Posted by: Garry on August 16, 2005 05:35 PM


Good News!!!

Ratings For Political Blogs...

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Daily Kos: 3,836,836
Democratic Underground: 1,563,608
Raw Story: 1, 053,974

Conservative:
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Little Green Footballs: 744,717
Michelle Malkin: 633,187
The Huffington Post | permalink

According to a new study by the political think tank the New Politics Institute, progressive blogs have grown at a higher rate than conservative blogs over the last two years.

"In less than two years, the progressive blogoshpere had grown from less than as big as the conservative blogosphere, to nearly double its size," the study reported.

The study, "Emergence of the Progressive Blogosphere: A New Force in American Politics," was released August 10.

Posted by: wv on August 16, 2005 05:44 PM

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0809-33.htm

Published on Tuesday, August 9, 2005 by the Battle Creek Enquirer (Michigan)
Depleted Uranium is WMD
by Leuren Moret

My grandfather, U.S. Army Col. Edwin Joseph McAllister, was born in Battle Creek in 1895. He does not know that his first grandchild is an international expert on depleted uranium. I have worked in two U.S. nuclear weapons laboratories, and in 1991 I became a whistleblower at the Livermore lab. Depleted uranium is very, very, very nasty stuff:
* Depleted uranium (DU) weaponry meets the definition of weapon of mass destruction in two out of three categories under U.S. Federal Code Title 50 Chapter 40 Section 2302.
* DU weaponry violates all international treaties and agreements, Hague and Geneva war conventions, the 1925 Geneva gas protocol, U.S. laws and U.S. military law.
* Since 1991, the U.S. has released the radioactive atomicity equivalent of at least 400,000 Nagasaki bombs into the global atmosphere. That is 10 times the amount released during atmospheric testing which was the equivalent of 40,000 Hiroshima bombs. The U.S. has permanently contaminated the global atmosphere with radioactive pollution having a half-life of 2.5 billion years.
* The U.S. has illegally conducted four nuclear wars in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and twice in Iraq since 1991, calling DU "conventional" weapons when in fact they are nuclear weapons.

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Posted by: Pat C on August 16, 2005 06:17 PM

Hello I am new here, and a friend of Pat C.

I admire you Sally so much for all your work.
I just wanted to say that I met by chnce Cindy Sheehan in may when I drove to San Diego to support Pablo Paredes while he was on trial at the navy base.
I got there on a thursday which was the day of the verdict, when there were less protesters.

We were about 35 to forty people in a small commnuity park where took place a mock trial with Howard Zinn and some young dedicated people.

Cindy spoke and then went to hug a friend and started to cry. She is very soft spoken, very sweet, very tender. When one reads what she says, it sounds strong, and so is her message.
But in person, while strong on her message, this is also a completely soft soul, very compassionate and luminous.

She was a bit down that day, and I e-mailed her that night.
Her face is full of love, and she is very attentive. She is probably the last person to think of herself as an important human being.

Posted by: Flo C. on August 16, 2005 06:21 PM


Charley Reese...

A Childish Theory

As of this writing, more than 1,800 young Americans have died in Iraq. The combined cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is $340 billion. This is what happens when we elect people who refuse to accept the limits set by the United States Constitution.

The Constitution gave us a government to govern America, not the world. It is none of our business what forms of government other countries have, just as it is none of our business whether the women in a foreign country wear burkhas or bikinis.

http://reese.king-online.com/Reese_20050812/index.php

Posted by: wv on August 16, 2005 06:26 PM

Continuing from the other thread, I am in agreement with Betsey about the need for orderly retreat. But it ain't gonna come from these demented yahoos in this administration. They do not live in reality on this earth, they are trying to IMPOSE their reality on this earth.

In an eerie repeat (it happened before the TX 'mower') of the crosses being knocked down, a fellow in the SF South Bay at about 1AM Sat morning, mowed down 10 tame ducks which lived at an independent carwash...they were beloved of all, a complete family. The tape shows that a guy in a truck deliberately ran over the ducks, the ducklings, and then returned to run over those still living. They weren't able to get a read on the license plates, but I'll be they catch him, too.

merc squaring mars for sure.

Posted by: judi g on August 16, 2005 06:49 PM

Welcome, Flo C., It's Jo...

So very glad you came, please continue to stop by. We're very friendly here.

How wonderful that you were able to visit with Cindy Sheehan... I feel I've been there from your description of her... her words are so powerful she doesn't need to say them very loudly, does she?

Namaste

Posted by: Jo on August 16, 2005 07:02 PM

Judi G.,

I also agree with Betsy that we should retreat from Iraq in an 'orderly fasion'... however, I am sick of hearing that we can't leave, because we're there! How illogical is that! It was a mistake to invade in the beginning... and the occupation has torn the country asunder. They don't have clean water or electricity... they live in fear... Abu Ghraib is functioning as it did under Sadaam... worse, actually... as long as we are there the Neocons will continue to funnel money from our treasury and Iraq's into the pockets of the contractors and thus into the pockets of Cheney and Bush et al... our presence assures them nothing... we don't control a single road or the airport...

Our military is using our children to protect the oil... not for Iraqis, oh no... guess who is going to profit from that...?

Bring our children home!

Posted by: Jo on August 16, 2005 07:10 PM

.....and stop exporting their jobs!

Good to see you here Flo!

Posted by: Pat C on August 16, 2005 07:14 PM

http://www.anglicancommunion.org/acns/articles/40/00/acns4022.cfm

A Message of Peace from the Primate of Nippon Sei Ko Kai

Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

The Peace of our Lord be with you all. This year marks the 60th anniversary of the end of World War II. In this important year, we wish to express our concerns about the recent situation in Japan, and also to express our determined desire for world peace.

snip

It is our sense that powerful forces are at work to change Japan from a country with a "Peace Constitution" into a nation which is once again capable of waging war. In fact, under the rubric of so-called "recovery support," Japan's Self-Defense Forces have been deployed to Iraq. Even the revision of the country's "Peace Constitution" is on the agenda of some politicians.

Such shifts in Japan are taking place against the background of economic globalization being driven by the United States and other developed nations. Such globalization forces countries and individuals to make a stark choice between being strong and being weak. Nationalistic movements are gaining momentum in many countries under pressure to establish a place among the "strong" nations. This causes the further deepening of conflicts between nations. Moreover, within many societies, an aggressively competitive spirit is taking root which leads to a sharp distinction between "winners" and "losers" in those societies, and gives rise to various social ills. We are especially concerned about the profound effect of such trends on the spiritual and mental development of young people.

snip

The 55th General Synod of the NSKK in 2004 resolved to oppose the revision of Article 9 of the Constitution, in which Japan renounces war and the use of military force. We wish all our fellow Christians to know that we are steadfast in our resistance to such revision of our "Peace Constitution."

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Posted by: Pat C on August 16, 2005 07:25 PM

I have been afraid to look up Pablo Paredes....what is the story? I only ask, because years ago a friend of mine from Arizona had a little baby (his wife is Chinese descent, and was my tennis teacher in Phx) whom they named Pablo....and he was 'a little buddha' we all said, wise at 6 weeks old. His father is Peter, mother Nancy....Paredes. Later they moved to SF....but I lost track of him, but I think they did move to San Diego. I think he is too young to be this one.....but can't yet think about looking this up.

Posted by: judi g on August 16, 2005 07:30 PM

Jo...yep....I agree with you too....doesn't it appear that the weight of 'illusion' is upon these folks?

Posted by: judi g on August 16, 2005 07:33 PM

My friend at Reuters sent this: (it is a photocopy of the lineotype message sent to Reuters:
Larry Norther, 46 of nearby Waco, Texas, was arrested and charged with general mischief...... a truck dragging a pipe and chains drover over a portion of the area where the crosses were standing......another local, Larry Mattlage, fired shots into the air on Sanday from his ranch near Bush's............

Posted by: judi g on August 16, 2005 07:38 PM

Abramoff's arrest...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8941526/site/newsweek/

Posted by: judi g on August 16, 2005 07:41 PM

Yes, but what exactly does that MEAN?? "retreat from Iraq in an 'orderly fashion'"

Posted by: Lori on August 16, 2005 07:41 PM


Lisa Dale Miller - This Full Moon...

http://www.astrowisdom.com/thisfullmoon.htm

Posted by: wv on August 16, 2005 07:58 PM

One of my favorite people, Bob Fertik of Democrats.com, who has always been more than generous with me in replying to my emails over the last 4 years, has a great blog going on his appearance on Meet the Press and the Randi Rhodes show on Cindy Sheehan...the rightwing attacks continue.
http://www.democrats.com/node/5708

Posted by: judi g on August 16, 2005 07:58 PM


Here the idiot that was blathering on TV and
shooting the gun on Sunday...


Larry Mattlage

Crawford, TX 76638-0000 (map)

Tel.: (254) 486-2350


Posted by: wv on August 16, 2005 08:02 PM


Larry Norther (another Larry???) the idiot from
Waca who mowed down the crosses is unlisted.

Posted by: wv on August 16, 2005 08:06 PM

Well Lori,

Well, the UK has plans to begin withdrawal this fall:

July 4, 2005

"The Ministry of Defence has drafted plans for a significant withdrawal of British troops from Iraq over the next 18 months and a big deployment to Afghanistan, the Financial Times has learnt.

In what would represent the biggest operational shake-up involving the armed forces since the Iraq war, the first stage of a run-down in military operations is likely to take place this autumn with a handover of security to Iraqis in at least two southern provinces."

http://tinyurl.com/8byg8

That is "an orderly withdrawal" --- imho, Lori --- the Brits say 1) they are withdrawing and turning security over to Iraqis and 2) they say when they are doing it, beginning in the fall and stretching out over 18 months.

We don't have to follow that plan, but I daresay it would be a start.

It's all moot, though... because we are building 14 lilypads, or bases, that lead through the Middle East to Russia's back door, and we are building a base in Israel. Plus, we have no intention of withdrawing our troops for UN peacekeeping units to come in --- that was turned down in the fall last year. Nope, the Neocons intend to keep the natives' oil and then some.

Posted by: Jo on August 16, 2005 08:07 PM

CT to start testing returning Iraq vets for DU exposure/toxicity levels--it's ABOUT TIME:

http://www.rense.com/general67/DUtestingforreturning.htm

Posted by: Garry on August 16, 2005 08:09 PM

WV...interesting, the dispatch says Larry Northern.

Posted by: judi g on August 16, 2005 08:18 PM

Good news from Connecticut, Garry. All I would do is change your "about" to "past."

Posted by: shylurker on August 16, 2005 08:35 PM

Thanks, Jo. I understand. It sounds like "order" pertains only to the invaders. The situation will remain the same, in terms of violence, war, and bloodshed, in Iraq. The US upset the Iraqi apple cart. The apples are rolling all over the ground, and whether we leave or don't leave will make no difference except that there will be no US & allies apples for Iraqi apples to bump into.

I used to buy the "well, we gotta fix what we broke now" line. But we're not going to fix it, it doesn't matter if more troops are sent at this late date. Iraq is in complete tatters and GW thinking the Iraqi gov't is anything more than a ridiculous puppet show is pathetic.

I agree the Western invaders ought to just get the heck out now, orderly or not. If it were my decision to make/action to take, I think I'd pull back and out today; "move everyone to points from which they'll be evacuated out, right now. Quit fighting except for against direct attacks that occur while withdrawing." What a holy hell hole that man has created. Talk about your SNAFU...situation normal, all f***** up! Sadly, we've really stirred the pot there, and the Iraqis will be left fighting amongst themselves for who knows how long. And God only knows what will stop that fighting. Iraq's gonna look like Israel/Palestine, only worse.

Jo, please read this as my venting about the US powers running amok. You are dear and wise and I ain't arguing with you (nor with Betsy!)! CHEESE-N-RICE, I am disgusted!

Thank you all for this venting opportunity. It's been lovely.

Posted by: Lori on August 16, 2005 08:38 PM

Welcome Flo, glad to have you and your story of meeting Cindy was so heartwarming. Thank you for sharing what the rest of us can only see of her through a screen.

I am attaching a letter posted on DU from Elizabeth Edwards and it is heart wrenching. But she provides the perfect answer to those who are debating whether she should be able to see the President or not, whether they think her message has changed or not. From the perspective of a mother who has lost a son (to the day of Casey's death less 8 years) she knows exactly what Cindy Sheehan wants and why she should have it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2013432

Posted by: Sally on August 16, 2005 09:38 PM

Lori,

We are all venting... I understand where you are coming from... it is a mess, isn't it? There's an expression used online, "FUBAR" --- took me a while to figure that one out --- f@### up beyond any repair...

There's a troll over at salon... well, he claims he voted for Kerry, so he's not a troll... but on the Cindy thread he says "I don't blame him for not talking to her, she's a tax cheat"!! He's talking about her protest not to pay any taxes to the government since her son died. I can't wrap my mind around the fella's POV... a few people tried to dialog with him respectfully about how being a protestor is different from being a cheat... but he's been back twice now, talking about how the school children will be eating peanut butter because Cindy's not paying her taxes!

Then I exptrapolate this fella's position and think of all the people who are against Cindy and for Dubya, and for some screwed up reasoning... I am beginning to think that most folks can't think. That's an arrogant statement, but it appears to be the case. And Dubya personifies that for me... he clearly can't think... or we wouldn't be where we are. Yes, I know, he's not totally responsible for the mess the world is in... but, hey, he sure didn't improve things.

Posted by: Jo on August 16, 2005 09:48 PM

Jo, FUBAR I know is "F*'ed Up Beyond All Recognition". Which kinda describes this country at the moment.

Posted by: shylurker on August 16, 2005 11:14 PM

Dear Sally,

great thanks for your welcome, what a lovely place here

Jo, so so so good to see you here, you have no idea how much I enjoy all your posts on the other site...

Judy g. I have no idea if this young Pablo Paredes is yours... he is young, about 20. I didn't meet his parents. I was in San Diego only for the day, and when we marched down to the base, we were of course not let in, but stayed on the outskirts. His lawyer then came to talk to us after the verdict, and it had been a very mild one. He was asked to stay quartered at the base for the mext 3 weeks and had to do intense labor for 6 months, but no jail at all, which was absolutely great news. His military "level" was downsized by one grade.

It was considered as a very mild verdict, because there was no jail, and not only that, the judge added that, as he had based his defense on a very serious research of disputable truths for going to war .. the army was taking attentively in consideration his research...

It felt like a great victory by the peace group.

:)

Cindy had tears when we all listened through her cell phone to the verdict.

Posted by: Flo C. on August 16, 2005 11:37 PM

Thanks Shy, I never understand half of what is said online!

Thank you Flo, and again, welcome to our cozy corner in cyberspace.

Posted by: Jo on August 16, 2005 11:49 PM

As if the universal tragedy of losing a child to death isn't enough, the ice in the veins of my countrymen who mock and desecrate this experience and the flippancy of those who send these children to their deaths are beyond my comprehension. Why are people made like this?

For shame.

Posted by: jm on August 17, 2005 12:17 AM

As a heads up, the doc Pat C references in her last post has a virus attached. Beware!

Posted by: on August 17, 2005 12:42 AM

Jo, I'm sure you and I aren't the only ones here at AW who feel that -- outside of our AW compatriots -- most people don't think! :-) Sometimes it sure seems that way.

Regarding Cindy not paying her taxes...hmm, aren't tax cuts a big part of the Bush program? Forget the peanut butter sandwiches, "let them eat cake!" (for anyone who doesn't know, ole Marie A. wasn't talking about yummy chocolate cake or anything like that. She was talking about the stuff that stuck on the sides of ovens -- caked on, hence "cake" -- from many bakings and roastings. Yeah, it was even a worse statement than we thought!) Really, how petty of that person to bicker about her not paying her taxes. Um, I think maybe there are some more important issues to iron out right now?!?!

from E. Edwards' letter re: Cindy: "Cindy wants Casey's death to have meant as much as his life - lived fully - might have meant." I'd like E. and everyone else to know that Casey's death DOES, in fact, mean as much as his life lived fully might have, and then some. No, not because he died for the "noble" cause of an unwarranted attack, invasion, occupation for purposes of greed and ultimate control. But because in his death he has spurred his mother on to find her courage and her voice and to speak...ah, what is it? TRUTH TO POWER. VERY meaningful. No wonder she doesn't stop. Meaning has a way of propelling us on.

Posted by: Lori on August 17, 2005 12:44 AM

Woo-hoo, everyone! Fred Mattlage, cousin of the yahoo Larry Mattlage who was firing off his shotgun over the weekend, is the person who is offering Camp Casey to move onto his property--which is nearer Smirky's "ranch." Fred is a veteran.

Posted by: shylurker on August 17, 2005 12:58 AM

Ooops. In my excitement, I forgot to post the link to Fred Mattlage's story:
http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=259

Posted by: shylurker on August 17, 2005 12:59 AM

Boy, this is one wild Merc stationary period! Now the National Science Foundation is getting into the act to clean up the mess corporations have made of our very votes:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050816/ap_on_re_us/electronic_voting

Posted by: shylurker on August 17, 2005 01:02 AM

Regarding the virus, yes, let's post our name, and let's give more details about it. What's it's name? etc.

Or are you just someone trying to frighten us?

Posted by: Lori on August 17, 2005 01:38 AM

Lori I saw no virus.

Posted by: Pat C on August 17, 2005 01:41 AM

Don't want to cross over into the "psychologizing" territory, but this was interesting to read:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/justin-frank/why-bush-believes-his-lie_5752.html

Posted by: shylurker on August 17, 2005 01:45 AM

Pat C., troll, troll, everywhere a troll. Even here. No virus attached; do not worry.

Posted by: shylurker on August 17, 2005 01:46 AM

shy, I checked with some other people and they saw no virus either. It is a troll for sure.

Posted by: Pat C on August 17, 2005 01:49 AM

Thanks, Pat C & Shylurker.

So there, troll, your busted. Like so many people out there ruining, I mean running the country today, vagueness such as yours is a DEAD GIVE-AWAY!

Posted by: Lori on August 17, 2005 01:59 AM

Let's just call the anonymous poster "Vi [short for 'Virus'] Troll" and, following the example of dear leader, get on with our lives.

Posted by: shylurker on August 17, 2005 02:03 AM

Sorry guys just got home from work. What is the verdict, is there a virus or not, if so I will delete the offending link.

Posted by: Sally on August 17, 2005 02:10 AM

Can you get a virus just clicking on a link? I don't think so, I think you have to download it. You can get one from an email attachment if you open it.

And Pat C., your last link was to a PDF file... somebody is not very funny... like hollering fire in a theatre!

Posted by: Jo on August 17, 2005 02:14 AM

What I was thinking is that we would lose more troops in the withdrawal unless a UN team comes in first. Something like 100,000. We can lose that many if we stay. So getting out is necessary. I worry that Bush might just blow everything up including our troops and equipment and lots of IRAQI. He would then say that IRAN DID IT.BJT

Posted by: Betsy on August 17, 2005 02:19 AM

Jo, none of you can get a virus through a bad link but AW can and I have had such a lot of that kind of problem. I checked with the webmaster and he suggested it be deleted. So I am going to do that.

Posted by: Sally on August 17, 2005 02:24 AM

Wow, Pat C, what did you post ... musta been veerrryyy interesting for troll to discourage people from seeing it?

Posted by: Marta on August 17, 2005 02:25 AM

Good call Sally...

Posted by: Jo on August 17, 2005 02:30 AM

Flo, thanks so much....yes, 20 would be about right.....it is good to see a new voice onboard....and Pat C as a friend brings a great intro!

the Elizabeth Edwards post on DU was just amazing....

Posted by: judi g on August 17, 2005 02:43 AM

Lori, that expression of Marie A. never made sense to me...now it does.

Joan Baez never paid taxes during Vietnam, nor did her husband David Harris....they held back the portion they considered was going to the war effort. This is not a new thing, but an old way of protesting....

Posted by: judi g on August 17, 2005 02:51 AM

shoot....I always seem to miss the trolls! muahhahahahahah....

Posted by: judi g on August 17, 2005 02:52 AM

There is a worm posting:http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/internet/08/16/computer.worm/index.html

only affects Windows 2000 computers.

Posted by: judi g on August 17, 2005 02:57 AM

NYC stands in solidarity with Cindy... photos here

http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/2005/08/55552.html

Posted by: Jo on August 17, 2005 03:06 AM

Thre was no virus in the PDF I posted. It was a response to Bernard Rostker's "Depleted Uranium: A Case Study of Good and Evil

For several years, much of the debate over depleted uranium (DU) munitions has been characterized by hyperbole. At one extreme, Pentagon officials have overstated the importance of DU munitions and denied the health and environmental hazards of DU contamination. At the other extreme, Saddam Hussein, Slobodan Milosevic, Yasser Arafat, and a handful of activists have blamed DU munitions for causing genocidal effects. I have argued that the truth lies between these polarities; that DU is more harmful than Pentagon officials admit but less injurious than other propagandists proclaim. However, by following scientific evidence to a middle-ground position, I have been unfairly criticized by both extremes in the debate. One of the most interesting commentaries on the DU issue, and my role in it, is Bernard Rostker’s 2002 monograph, Depleted Uranium: A Case Study of Good and Evil. 2 Rostker directed the Pentagon’s Office of the Special Assistant for Gulf War Illnesses (OSAGWI) from 1997 to 2001. During this time, I engaged in many public and private debates with Rostker and his staff about the need for more epidemiological and laboratory research on the health effects of DU. Our encounters were contentious but professional; however, I was unaware of how deeply I had personally wounded Rostker until I discovered his 2002 report a few months ago. In his report, Rostker egoistically describes himself as “good” while labeling me as “evil”; he claims that he presented facts “in a full and unbiased manner” while I purposely distorted them. I have elsewhere presented my views on the integrity of the Pentagon’s claims about DU; 3 here I simply seek to provide some perspective to Rostker’s slanderous and dishonest attack against me. My DU research began in 1993, when I worked as a paralegal at the San Francisco veterans’ group, Swords to Plowshares. While helping veterans and their families obtain health care and disability benefits, I also responded to the numerous veterans who contacted Swords for information about illnesses they had developed since the 1991 Gulf War. I was familiar with DU from my time in the Navy, so I focused on the possible role of DU in veterans’ illnesses. By 1997 I had become a de facto “expert” on DU.

More...

The author is a very good friend of a well know book author who has written about Bush's speaking ability. His name is Mark Crispin Miller.

No one who opened it, and there are many, got a virus. This is crazy when a troll can come on and get a post deleted even when I tell you there is none. I'm sure the troll thought the information was not good for this administration.

Posted by: Pat C on August 17, 2005 04:12 AM

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?emx=x&pid=13470

Mike Davis on the Monster at Our Door - The Global Threat of Avian Flu, a scientific detective story, a tale of potential horror, and a sociological thriller about our 21st century world.

There is a lot of information in this article.

Posted by: Pat C on August 17, 2005 04:24 AM

Regarding the post named a virus by the troll...I don't care if you delete it if it makes you feel safer. I'm just surprised, and reacting.

Posted by: Pat C on August 17, 2005 04:29 AM

Pat C, it wasn't personal and I am sorry you took it as such, I don't know enough about "worms" to take a chance. It looked suspicious to the webmaster and it was suggested I remove it. With the problems I've had in the past, even the most recent past, I tend to do what the experts suggest. I am simply too gun shy not to, particularly when it looked suspicious to their system.

Posted by: Sally on August 17, 2005 04:47 AM

Not taken personally Sally.

Posted by: Pat C on August 17, 2005 04:49 AM

Pat C, have you read about the masses of dead birds in Russia? and it's spreading
http://www.thepoultrysite.com/LatestNews/Default.asp?AREA=LatestNews&Display=6187

and who is buying the anti-virus?
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=29870

Posted by: Jill G on August 17, 2005 05:04 AM

Jill G, I had heard it was moving through Russia. I didn't realize there was a poultry site though. I bookmarked it.

I'm so jaded now, I figure big pharma is already counting their profits.

Posted by: Pat C on August 17, 2005 05:12 AM

Does anyone remember the "Pig Flu" in the early 70's and the dash to get the "pig flu" shot. They said then that it was related to the 1918 flu pandemic. Millions of people lined up for Pig Flu shots. I just think it's odd they are now saying the Bird Flu is linked to the 1918 flu.

Also, is it just me or does there seem to be very little Iraq news these days. It seems as if there is a blackout on what is going on in Iraq except the Constitution, or lack thereof.

Posted by: Sally on August 17, 2005 06:12 AM

Well, the BBC is still reporting on Iraq and it was a very very bad day.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4158292.stm

Posted by: Sally on August 17, 2005 06:14 AM

hahaha, Shy, "Vi Troll." hee hee!

I have an idea; what if Pat C reposted with the "stinky" link-y, but in this kind of way:

www. yerarealpooch. com, instead of www.yerarealpooch.com? (as far as I know, this is not a real link; I'm making up an example)

Then wouldn't Sally be protected, while others can access the article by typing the link directly in the address field on their computer? Just an idea. Maybe it's a crazy one?

Posted by: Lori on August 17, 2005 06:27 AM

No virus for me either.. and a very interesting document too Pat !! :D

On another note, I really feel that these poultry problems are the last attempts to induce fear... somehow things will unravel and these very few malevolent people will leave Earth in peace...

And something nice here:
VoteNoWar organization got its permit to march directly in front of the White House on September 24th... first time such a permit is delivered in many years, so things are looking good..

http://votenowar.pephost.org/site/PageServer?pagename=VNW_homepage

:)

Posted by: Flo C. on August 17, 2005 06:28 AM

Sally, I do apologize for getting personal with Vi Troll, above. I was in a less-than-stellar mood at the time. Sorry!

Posted by: Lori on August 17, 2005 06:29 AM

Hey, Betsy, thanks for clarifying! "What I was thinking is that we would lose more troops in the withdrawal unless a UN team comes in first. Something like 100,000. We can lose that many if we stay. So getting out is necessary. I worry that Bush might just blow everything up including our troops and equipment and lots of IRAQI. He would then say that IRAN DID IT.BJT"

Wow, have YOU got a point there! You never can tell what Bushwhacker will do; nothing's out of the realm of possibility. 'Course, he won't let the UN come in anyway, will he? I feel badly for Iraq the country and the Iraqi people. What a horrible thing to do to people, what US has done. The black pot kicked the black kettle out.

Posted by: Lori on August 17, 2005 06:32 AM

Sally, I don't remember the pig flu. I had some "Hong Kong" flu in the late 60s, I believe. Very cogent of you noticing "now it's pigs, now it's birds!" relating to 1918...I'm with Pat C. Let's trust that those of us who "should" be here WILL be here, instead of buying (literally) into BIG PHARMA's fear factory!

Posted by: Lori on August 17, 2005 06:36 AM

Yes, Flo C., I agree with you: attempting to induce fear. (I hadn't read your post till now)

'night, everyone. Sweet dreams, astroworld!

Posted by: Lori on August 17, 2005 06:39 AM

A lovely photo here, of an ideal flag created in Crawford..

:)

http://www.truthout.org/imgs.art_01/3.081605BL2.jpg

Posted by: Flo c. on August 17, 2005 06:39 AM

I think trolls must live a terribly pathetic existence.

Feeling inadequately developed or lacking the capacity to present their views in a forthright, mature manner, like a fearful child might do, they resort to purile behavior, hiding, lying, hoping to spread fear in others only to have their pitiful attempts defeated and, ultimately, in the end suffering yet another loss to real winners like Pat C and the truth-seekers. (Maybe a good name for a rock group?)

Their methodology and tools (hiding, lying, fear-mongering, etc.) present a glaring statement to others, if not themselves, of their fear laden lives.

Am feeling now that I have wasted too much of this sites bandwidth and my precious time opining on these losers. Sorry on both counts.

bob

Posted by: bob on August 17, 2005 07:12 AM

Sy Hersh was on Jon Stewart tonight and he said he didn't know what, but there was something huge coming in the next few weeks. Not necessarily here, he seemed to think the Green Zone in Iraq could be in danger. He also said the widespread corporate corruption in Afghan and Iraq was beyond imagination. Billions upon billions missing and unaccounted for, no one knows what happened to the billions taken by Saddam's sons right before the war. Sy Hersh has been trying to get the truth of it all out into the public domain for two years, he was the one who broke the torture pictures. He also said the White House is having a hard time holding it all together. He thinks it's falling apart in front of our eyes and that's why Cindy Sheehan has taken hold in the country, people are now at most, angry and at least confused and questioning.

Posted by: Sally on August 17, 2005 07:38 AM

I think it's been falling apart for a long time and they've been struggling desperately to put up a facade and get legislation rammed through quickly. These people had no practical experience with the things they undertook and unfortunately a lot of people have been caught in this horrible web. The total lawlessness is frightening, and I think their corporate scheme has broken their companies. They intended to create a chaotic state but they are fools and now they know, as well as many many others, who can't wait to see them out of the picture forever. Finally.

Cindy has become the release point for people's fear, since she is not in the government and isn't beating us up. She has challenged it single-handedly and unmistakably. She is the symbol of our mistrust and I think this has finally hit the nerve. Beyond intelligence, or lack of, and party loyalty is the sense that something is terribly wrong. We're in so deep and need our government to take care of us. It's a huge system that we all depend on. We're creatures who have the survival instinct still intact.
It's brought us together in the face of danger. We'll figure out what to do.

Posted by: jm on August 17, 2005 09:04 AM

I, for one, am growing weary of "interesting times!" Speaking of millions and millions missing, this post at Daily Kos says it all:

the largest one-time cash transfer in the history of the New York Fed

http://dailykos.com/story/2005/8/17/1027/50222

Posted by: Laurie on August 17, 2005 10:56 AM

Recieved this e-mail from a Dean for America activist.
Hi all,
We need to get the Nuke Terror Drills info out to
everyone.  At the bottom of this message, I have
included the phone numbers that TotalInformation
posted previously, as well as some links to help you
find out who your local member of congress is. 
What follows is a short message stating in no
uncertain terms that we would not be fooled by another
staged terror attack.  Please send this to all your
media, political, and personal contacts.  Post it on
bulletin boards and blogs and tell the people there to
do the same.  Simply cut and paste what is written
here, or write your own thing, and begin emailing it
out.  Lets fill up the inboxes of all politicians and
the media.
____________________________________
Looking back on the attacks on 9/11, it has become
common knowledge that the U.S. Government was engaged
in various war games that morning, one of which
involved, unbelievably, an airliner being flown into a
building.  Labeled Vigilant Warrior and Vigilant
Guardian among others, these war games may have been
responsible for the lack of air response by the FAA
and Norad.  Here is a hyperlink to a news article on
this topic:
http://www.boston.com/news/packages/sept11/anniversary/
wire_stories/0903_plane_exercise.htm

Coincidentally, the London attacks on July 7 occurred
at precisely the same time as "bombing exercises" were
underway in the London Subway tunnels.  Here is a link
to more information on this topic: 
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2005/cover070905a.htm
PQ

Posted by: Pat QOP on August 17, 2005 11:03 AM

The odds of identical terrorism drills being underway
at the same time as the actual attacks on 9/11 and 7/7
are simply unfathomable.  These drills are merely
smoke screens to obfuscate the actual attacks, there
is no other logical conclusion that can be made.
In another more shocking coincidence, President Bush
attempted to prevent any serious investigation into
the 9/11 attacks, as did Tony Blair after the July 7th
attacks.  More information on both of these topics can
be found here:
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/01/29/inv.terror.probe/
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/jul2005/lond-j13.shtml
The reason I am writing to you and why this issue is
so urgent is that the United States Government is
currently planning an exercise to focus on a nuclear
terror scenario.  Information on these exercises can
be found here: 
http://www.northcom.mil/index.cfm?fuseaction=news.showstory&storyid=C9BFBBAC-F3CA-BD2E-008C7B34AFE33114

Posted by: Pat QOP on August 17, 2005 11:05 AM

Why Bush Believes his Lies
Justin Frank

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/justin-frank/why-bush-believes-his-lie_5752.html

Posted by: Laurie on August 17, 2005 11:05 AM

President Bush has been pushing hard for an attack on
Iran for some time now and may be considering staging
a nuclear attack by the Iranians under cover of the
nuclear terrorism exercise to achieve it.  The United
States government and all other governments of the
world need to realize that we will NOT be fooled again
and we will NOT be herded like sheep everytime they
need to further their agenda.  Another government
sponsored terror attack will be the end of the Bush
Administration with the perpetrators being tried for
treason. 
President Bush is currently suffering the lowest
approval rating of his presidential career, Iraq is a
failure, and the American Public is waking up.  The
Plight of Cindy Sheehan accurately depicts the
attitude of the general public and it will only get
worse.  This government needs to know that further
staged terror attacks WILL NOT be tolerated.
This letter is being sent to all media, government,
and personal contacts on my list as well as many
others, please do the right thing and give it the
attention it deserves.
--------------------------------------------------
Contact your representative:
http://www.house.gov/writerep/
http://www.webslingerz.com/jhoffman/congress-email.html
Your Congressman and Senators:(202) 224-3121.
White House: 202-456-2421
FEMA Region IV (Atlanta): 770-220-5200, (770)
220-5224, and (770) 220-5225.
(((((((((((safe trip Jo & Grands))))))))))))) PQ

Posted by: Pat QOP on August 17, 2005 11:06 AM

Thank you Pat QofP,

I am concerned folks... "drill" today?

Posted by: Jo on August 17, 2005 12:51 PM

Study Describes Bar at Center of Milky Way
By RYAN J. FOLEY, AP

MADISON, Wis. (Aug. 16) - After creating the most detailed analysis yet of what the Milky Way looks like, astronomers say a long bar of stars cuts on an angle through the center of the galaxy that includes the sun and planet Earth.

Some scientists have suspected the presence of the stellar bar, but the survey led by two Wisconsin astronomers shows the bar is far longer than previously believed, and at a specific angle.

The skinny bar is made up of old and red stars and is about 27,000 light years in length, about 7,000 light years longer than previously believed. The bar is at a 45 degree angle to the line between our Sun and the center of the galaxy and may put the Milky Way in a small class of galaxies with the unusual shape, researchers say.

http://tinyurl.com/8m9ap

Posted by: Jo on August 17, 2005 01:13 PM

Hi, Sally,

For some reason this morning, I was struck by how very much like the father (Bush I) is the son (Bush II). I remember how disillusioned the American public became when it was discovered how disconnected from reality Bush Senior was. Now, we the people are observing that same disconnect from reality exhibited by the son. I must admit, I am surprised more at the American people for not "remembering" the days of the father when considering electing the son. That is history at this point.

I also remember reading your or someone's chart reading of Bush Jr. and how his mental condition would deteriorate. That analysis seems truly appropriate to me. For there is something very, very wrong. Could we revisit that discussion?

Sincerely, Truewater2

Posted by: Truewater2 on August 17, 2005 02:14 PM

Jo-
I share your concern--and while this may not make you feel better, it does offer a closer look at what's going on:

http://www.total411.info/
under the headline "Raw intel: Charleston Naval Base in Aug. 17 drill"

namaste and white light to all.....
G

Posted by: Garry on August 17, 2005 02:25 PM


Biking Toward Nowhere
By MAUREEN DOWD
How could President Bush be cavorting around on a long vacation with American troops struggling with a spiraling crisis in Iraq?

Wasn't he worried that his vacation activities might send a frivolous signal at a time when he had put so many young Americans in harm's way?

"I'm determined that life goes on," Mr. Bush said stubbornly.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/17/opinion/17dowd.html?pagewanted=print

Posted by: wv on August 17, 2005 02:36 PM

Iapetus mystery solved! (Be sure to see the wonderful picture right below the first entry.)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=228x11442

Posted by: shylurker on August 17, 2005 03:08 PM


August 17, 2005
Mom who lost son in Iraq to lead Boone vigil


By Charles Shumaker
Staff writer

Barbara Ulbrich closely identifies with the vigil a California mother who lost her military son in Iraq is holding outside President Bush’s Texas ranch more than 1,100 miles away.

From her home in Boone County, Ulbrich too hopes she can someday talk to Bush and explain the pain she lives with after losing her 23-year-old son, Army Pfc. Brian Scott Ulbrich, to a roadside bomb in Baghdad two months ago.

Tonight, she will host a candlelight vigil outside the Boone County Courthouse in Madison at 7:30. She hopes to honor all the military families who have lost someone to the war in Iraq.

http://www.wvgazette.com/section/Today/2005081632

Posted by: wv on August 17, 2005 04:00 PM

"I'm determined that life goes on," Mr [Lush] said stubbornly. I thot the original statement was "...that MY life goes on." I think they did a bit of propagandized twisting.

Yes, verily, Truewater2... & I was always amazed at how "People forgot" the--at the time--recent disaster of republican Tricky-dicky regime? I don't think so. I think there's been horrible finagling with the People's votes for a very long time now. Clinton must've won by such TWO huge landslides--as SOME KIND of HOPEFUL alternative--that they cldn't be stolen enuf... imo.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on August 17, 2005 04:16 PM

I don’t actually and didn’t diagnose the condition of GWB’s mental health and I do think it is irresponsible to do so without having personally seen him. It is obvious by his speech pattern and the seeming deterioration of his ability to articulate in comparison of old clips of him running for the Governor race against Ann Richards. I don’t think we can diagnose the reason for this deterioration, however it will and is getting worse. From an astrological point of view, I was looking at his Sun/Moon square from the 12th to the 3rd, pointing to a potential mental challenge and with 1) Saturn traversing the 12th, conjunct his Sun and square his Moon, 2) Jupiter conj the Moon square the Sun, 3) Saturn coming out of the 12th dragging hidden issues with him, and 4) Saturn conjunct his natal Mercury revealing flaws in his thinking. Saturn went over the US Mercury a few weeks ago awakening the US to the flaws in our thinking as a nation.

Whether GWB’s deterioration is due to early dementia brought on by past drug and alcohol abuse, whether he is still abusing drugs and alcohol (probably not with his present level of exercise) or whether he has had a mini stroke in the last 10 years diminishing his capacity for cognitive thinking, or he has come to depend on the unprecedented protection by media and handlers, he clearly has some emotional and psychological problems. Those problems will become more obvious as Saturn moves toward his Ascendant and Mercury this fall and Jupiter moves to a square to that Ascendant and Mercury. It’s for sure that transiting Jupiter conjunct his Moon, moving toward his Jupiter return has not given him the boost many astrologers thought it would, I thought it would highlight his problems and it seems to be doing just that.

However, he will continue to be protected by the media and his handlers and continue to pull in money for the Party through big business. Still, none of them counted on or foresaw the rise of the internet and the impact it would have on the viewing public, that is a problem for him and the GOP which places access to free internet in danger unless we can find some good honest Democrats to take back the Congress and oversight of the country, and good honest Democrats are in short supply.

Posted by: Sally on August 17, 2005 04:43 PM


This should scare the Hell of of you....

See how a nuclear blast could affect your neighbourhood....

http://www.nuclearterror.org/blastmaps.html

Posted by: wv on August 17, 2005 04:58 PM


08.17.2005 Thomas de Zengotita

Little George's Need for Balance
It's important to remember how threatened Bush is by his own temperament. He is a very emotional man, subject to waves of powerful feeling—exuberance, sentimentality, anger. He cannot allow himself to get tired, for example—that makes him more vulnerable. The real reason he makes those manly "crisp decisions" is that he is in a perpetual rush to put burdensome moments behind him. And he can no longer turn to alcohol for insulation. He must rely upon his notorious schedule instead. It keeps him together, literally. Supervised and sustained by the light in Laura's loving, chiding eye, he clings to that schedule. He dare not let go.

That is what Little George means by a "balanced life."

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Posted by: wv on August 17, 2005 05:04 PM

08.16.2005 Justin Frank

Why Bush Believes His Lies
With every passing week, President Bush marches deeper and deeper into a world of his own making. His August move to Crawford and his refusal/inability to meet with Cindy Sheehan are only the latest steps in that long retreat from the real world. Central to Bush's world is an iron will which demands that external reality be changed to conform to his personal view of how things are.

Starting with his June 28th speech to the nation, insisting that he was right to invade Iraq unprovoked, Bush continues to hold fast to his familiar phrases through the tragic London bombings, the accusations swirling around Karl Rove, the wave of deaths in the first week of August, into the persistent challenge posed by families camped outside his prairie fortress that he personally explain to them why their sons had to die.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/justin-frank/why-bush-believes-his-lie_5752.html

Posted by: wv on August 17, 2005 05:30 PM

Standing on the Shoulders of Perjury Law

By Richard B. Schmitt
Times Staff Writer
August 15, 2005

WASHINGTON — When Al Qaeda operative Wadih El-Hage blamed false testimony he had given to a federal grand jury on confusion and jet lag, then-assistant U.S. Atty. Patrick J. Fitzgerald was not impressed. "I submit to you," Fitzgerald told jurors at El-Hage's 2001 trial in New York, "you heard 10 of the most pathetic excuses of perjury ever known."

El-Hage, once Osama bin Laden's personal secretary, is serving life in prison without the possibility of parole — convicted of perjury, among other things.

Things tend to work out that way when Patrick J. Fitzgerald is prosecuting a case.

Fitzgerald, 44, has a history of invoking perjury laws and related statutes to buttress his investigations.

So it may not be surprising that he is considering perjury charges in his current assignment — as a special prosecutor investigating whether anyone in the Bush administration illegally leaked the name of CIA operative Valerie Plame to journalists.

-more-

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/081705_world_stories.shtml

Posted by: Laurie on August 17, 2005 06:44 PM

Here something to ponder....

A person can be picked up by the mental health association for psychiatric evaluation if they are showing signs of mental instability and insanity. They are then put under observation for 72 hours to determine if they are a threat to themselves and others. What if a petition were started to have Smirky picked up and evaluated? It only takes 3 people to make this happen in the real world. What if there were a few hundred thousand of us that signed up to have this carried out? It may be a fantasy, but it sure would be funny if it were to happen!

I'm not sure how everyone else feels, but the Schrub shows every sign of a delusional and insane mind. As most of the world would agree, Smirky is a threat to the whole world and life as we know it.

Peace, love and light to all!

Posted by: Cybear on August 17, 2005 06:59 PM

You are right wv, with his Sun in his 12th in Cancer, GWB is fearful of his emotions overwhelming him, Pluto in the 1st keeps them undercontrol and makes him feel as if they are on the verge of getting out of control. This is a constant balance for him and it's wearing. The day his sister died, his mother went out to play golf, there is a pattern here of "exercise" and "playtime" when trauma or pain threatens to overtake. His father was chided for fishing the day the Golf War started. Anything at all that seems to take them out of their bubble would appear to be threatening to them. His father's Sun square Uranus would keep him on a chaotic edge all the time and George would have picked that quality up and fought against it at the same time. It's always been interesting to me that while things were fairly peaceful out here in US the Clinton WH was chaotic according to reports. Now reports say the WH is well ordered in the Bush administration and they are projecting their chaos out onto us. We need to project it back to them and Cindy Sheehan could be that trigger.

Several things are threating to spin out of their well ordered control, 1)Iraq 2) Plame 3) Sheehan 4)the Franklin and Abramhof (sp?) scandals 5)Hastert and Delay 6)their own party faithful slipping from their grasp. I am expecting a scandal around Dobson and the Christian Taliban very soon.

Posted by: Sally on August 17, 2005 07:02 PM

Sally, is that a prediction or a gut feeling?

Posted by: Teresa on August 17, 2005 07:15 PM

A semi prediction based on the formation date of Family Focus

Posted by: Sally on August 17, 2005 07:23 PM

With the Karma Sheriff, Saturn in the 12 alot of karma became dust bunnies under a bigger and bigger lumpy carpet. As * avoids his destiny he creates more karma. As he downplays pain and fear in himself and projects it out he is also attracting it towards himself. Duality is but a mirror. As we purify our mind's projections the less karma we attract. Karma is like sticky glue. It takes Grace, the dissolver of karma/maya, to be operating in conscious way. * is not what I consider conscious, nor his family. Their family values a sham and an act and now with Saturn on ASC time to get the hook, the act is rotten. Dust bunny blowback for sure.

People, I live in NYC and it's a beautiful, peaceful day and I feel the amount of fear about these weapons going off here vibrates as bogus. And if I am proven wrong then I lived a good life and it's God's will I go. Prevention is great, fear is not. I won't eat the fear. I'm getting tempted to join the Cindy vigil in Union Square tonight. I'm so swamped after the conference I'm playing it by ear. Or else, another day real soon.

Posted by: bhakti on August 17, 2005 08:00 PM

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/15/221353/668
[UPDATE]Bush brings in an Iraqi ringer (again)

................

Posted by: Pat C on August 17, 2005 08:09 PM

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Variants of Spreading Windows Worm Emerge
- By GREG SANDOVAL, AP Technology Writer
Wednesday, August 17, 2005


(08-17) 11:10 PDT SAN FRANCISCO, (AP) --


Several new variants of a computer worm emerged Wednesday to attack corporate networks running the Windows 2000 operating system, just a week after Microsoft Corp. warned of the security flaw.


As experts predicted, the Windows hole proved a tempting target for rogue programmers, who quickly developed more effective variants on a worm that surfaced over the weekend and by Tuesday had snarled computers at several large companies.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2005/08/17/national/a070925D01.DTL&type=printable

Posted by: wv on August 17, 2005 08:09 PM

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Bush_Job_Approval.htm

President Bush Job Approval
Updated Daily by Noon Eastern

Wednesday August 17, 2005--President Bush's Approval Rating has tumbled five points over the past week to the lowest level ever recorded by Rasmussen Reports.
Just 43% of American adults now approve of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as President. Fifty-five percent (55%) disapprove.
The President's Approval Rating has fallen to 47% among those who are married. Just 38% of unmarried respondents give the President their approval. Forty-six percent (46%) of Investors Approve along with 41% of non-Investors.
Rising oil prices have pushed consumer confidence to its lowest level in nearly two years. The oil price surge has also increased support for building nuclear power plants. Confidence in the War on Terror has reached its lowest level ever.

Posted by: Pat C on August 17, 2005 08:11 PM

story is on HuffPo and Raw story....
AP
Limbaugh Loses It, Says Iraq Mom Made Story Up...

Posted by: judi g on August 17, 2005 08:38 PM

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/081705Y.shtml

US Policy on 'Axis of Evil' Suffers Spate of Setbacks
By Peter Baker and Dafna Linzer
The Washington Post

President Bush's campaign against what he once termed the "axis of evil" has suffered reverses on all three fronts in recent days that underscore the profound challenges confronting him 3 1/2 years after he vowed to take action.

First, multilateral talks orchestrated by the United States to pressure North Korea to give up nuclear weapons adjourned last week after 13 days without agreement. Then Iran restarted its program to convert uranium, in defiance of the United States and Europe. Finally, negotiators in Iraq failed to draft a new constitution by Monday's deadline amid an unrelenting guerrilla war against US forces.

None of these developments may be fatal to Bush's policy goals, but the quick succession of setbacks has left his national security team privately discouraged and searching for answers. Whereas Bush in his first term vowed to reinvent foreign policy with a new doctrine of military preemption to deal with rogue states, he has largely dropped such talk since the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Instead, he has favored diplomacy with Tehran and Pyongyang and nation-building with Baghdad - yet the old-fashioned improvisation has yielded similarly murky results.

More...

Posted by: Pat C on August 17, 2005 08:53 PM

Judi, sigh, he is his own worst enemy, isn't he? You know they are worried when Limbaugh takes on a project and loses it.

Posted by: Pat C on August 17, 2005 08:55 PM

http://www.moveon.org/ is a site you can go to to find a vigil near you.

................

Gov Taft of Ohio has just been been charged of three misdemeanors.

Posted by: Pat C on August 17, 2005 09:07 PM

I just checked my area and there are literally thousands of people registered to attend several vigils.

Posted by: Pat C on August 17, 2005 09:12 PM

Ohio Governor to Be Charged, Prosecutor Says
By ANDREW WELSH-HUGGINS, AP
COLUMBUS, Ohio (Aug. 17) - Gov. Bob Taft, under investigation for not reporting numerous golf outings as required by ethics law, will be charged with four misdemeanors, a prosecutor said Wednesday.

Taft, a Republican and member of a distinguished U.S. political family, would be the first Ohio governor to be charged with a crime. If convicted, he could be fined $1,000 and sentenced to six months in jail on each count, though time behind bars was considered unlikely.

Taft will be charged later Wednesday, said City Prosecutor Stephen McIntosh, who declined to comment further pending an afternoon news conference.
Investigators have looked for weeks at Taft's alleged violation of a law requiring officeholders to report gifts worth more than $75. He had announced the problems involving reporting of golf outings in June but said any errors were inadvertent.
In a speech given in May, he had stressed the importance of ethical behavior for public employees.
"Public employees can enjoy entertainment, such as golf or dining out, with persons working for a regulated company, or one doing business with the state, ONLY if they fully pay their own way," he said in the speech at Xavier University.
Taft, 63, would be the highest-ranking official to be charged in a ballooning state investment scandal. His former chief of staff was convicted of an ethics violation in July.
Taft's great-grandfather was President William Howard Taft - who later was chief justice - and both his father and grandfather were U.S. senators from Ohio.
Other Ohio governors have come under investigation, including Republican George Voinovich, investigated for unproven allegations he laundered campaign money, and Democrat Richard Celeste, whose connections to a contributor who owned the failed Home State Savings Bank were examined.
08/17/05 14:53 EDT

Posted by: Pat C on August 17, 2005 09:13 PM

CyBear, Oh Yes! Let's have him evaluated - I know he would pass the CooCoo test! HaHaHa.

Posted by: Jill G on August 17, 2005 09:28 PM

Bhatki, Pat C, we will be at one in our neck of the woods. Much much smaller but still a potent energy! Gee might help if I got look at a chart..doh!

Posted by: Morgana on August 17, 2005 09:31 PM

http://www.cnn.com/

Do you agree with the decision of the neighbor who agreed to allow Cindy Sheehan to move her anti-war protest closer to President Bush’s ranch?

...............

http://www.eff.org/bloggers/
Electronic Frontier Foundation
Fighting for Bloggers' Rights

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http://scotlandtoday.scottishtv.colo.ednet.co.uk/content/defaulttext.asp?page=s1_1_1&newsid=8624

Mother of soldier killed in Iraq launches bid for war legality inquiry

..............

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/17/politics/17intel.html

Officer Says Military Blocked Sharing of Files on Terrorists

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9766.htm

U.S. looking into Carlyle Group links to teacher funds

.... But new questions about political connections have emerged over the firm's efforts to win business from the Illinois Teachers' Retirement System pension fund.

Last week one of Carlyle's founders and managing directors, David Rubenstein, appeared before the teacher fund's board of trustees to explain why his firm paid Springfield lobbyist and Republican National Committee Treasurer Robert Kjellander a $4.5 million fee.

The payment was ostensibly in exchange for work that Kjellander did to persuade the pension fund to invest $500 million with Carlyle.

More...

Posted by: Pat C on August 17, 2005 09:31 PM

Morgana, energy is energy, and priceless. I do hope you get a look at the chart!!

Posted by: Pat C on August 17, 2005 09:33 PM

China didn't get Unical, now what are they going to do? More trouble in the Middle-East?
http://www.nytimes.com/financialtimes/business/FT20050816_21670_185949.html
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/6f5e9c6e-0f19-11da-8b31-00000e2511c8.html

Posted by: Jill G on August 17, 2005 09:38 PM

http://ostroyreport.blogspot.com/2005_08_01_ostroyreport_archive.html

A Change of Mind Over Roberts

Posted by: Pat C on August 17, 2005 09:40 PM

Not sure of the validity of tbr.org, but this story explains alot:

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=39&contentid=2597

Posted by: Garry on August 17, 2005 10:01 PM

Here are a couple of blogs I've found interesting.

Intel Dump
http://www.intel-dump.com/

and

The Bush Beat
http://villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat/archive/001135.php

Posted by: Pat C on August 17, 2005 10:06 PM


Secrets of the morgue - Baghdad's body count

Bodies of 1,100 civilians brought to mortuary in July Pre-invasion, July figure was typically less than 200 Last Sunday alone, the mortuary received 36 bodies Up to 20 per cent of the bodies are never identified Many of the dead have been tortured or disfigured

By Robert Fisk

08/16/05 "The Independent" -- -- The Baghdad morgue is a fearful place of heat and stench and mourning, the cries of relatives echoing down the narrow, foetid laneway behind the pale-yellow brick medical centre where the authorities keep their computerised records. So many corpses are being brought to the mortuary that human remains are stacked on top of each other. Unidentified bodies must be buried within days for lack of space - but the municipality is so overwhelmed by the number of killings that it can no longer provide the vehicles and personnel to take the remains to cemeteries.
July was the bloodiest month in Baghdad's modern history - in all, 1,100 bodies were brought to the city's mortuary; executed for the most part, eviscerated, stabbed, bludgeoned, tortured to death. The figure is secret.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9814.htm

Posted by: wv on August 17, 2005 10:07 PM


Sacrifice? Count Me Out

If You Supported the War, Pay For It

By Ted Rall

08/17/05 "ICH" -- -- NEW YORK-- "If America is truly on a war footing," Thom Shanker asks in the New York Times, "why is so little sacrifice asked of the nation at large?" Military recruiters are coming up short of volunteers, yet neither party is pushing for a draft. No one is proposing a tax increase to cover the $60 billion annual cost of the Iraq and Afghan wars. There are no World War II-style war bond drives, no victory gardens, not even gas rationing. Back here in the fatherland, only "support our troops" car ribbons indicate that we're at war--and they aren't even bumper stickers, they're magnetic. Apparently Americans aren't even willing to sacrifice the finish on their automobiles to promote the cause.

"Nobody in America is asked to sacrifice, except us," the paper quotes an officer who just returned from a year in rose-petal-paved Iraq. "[Symbolic signs of support are] just not enough," grumbles a brigadier general. "There has to be more," he demands. "The absence of a call for broader national sacrifice in a time of war has become a near constant topic of discussion among officers and enlisted personnel," the general claims.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9822.htm

Posted by: wv on August 17, 2005 10:10 PM

CREW Files FCC Complaint Requesting Investigation into Foreign Donations to Hastert's Campaign
http://www.citizensforethics.org/press/newsrelease.php?view=74

Posted by: Pat C on August 17, 2005 10:14 PM

Get Ready for World War III

By Paul Craig Roberts

08/17/05 "LewRockwell" -- -- With every poll showing majorities of Americans both fed up with Bush’s war against Iraq and convinced that Bush’s invasion of Iraq has made Americans less safe, the White House moron proposes to start another war by attacking Iran. VP Cheney has already ordered the US Strategic Command to come up with plans to strike Iran with tactical nuclear weapons.

Bush refuses to meet with Cindy Sheehan, instead using his vacation time at the Crawford ranch to talk war with Israeli television. In a recent interview with Israeli TV, Bush said: "All options are on the table" with regard to Iran.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9824.htm

Posted by: wv on August 17, 2005 10:19 PM

Here is a lighter moment that was posted over on Salon.

http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2005/08/i_still_know_al.html#more

Evil Liveral Kittens

Posted by: Pat C on August 17, 2005 10:22 PM

Be sure to click on the clickable words under each picture for the accompanying article.

Posted by: Pat C on August 17, 2005 10:25 PM

Strange, I've read many times that Haliburton is
indeed building 14 permanent bases....

RONALD BROWNSTEIN / WASHINGTON OUTLOOK
Permanent U.S. Bases in Iraq? Experts See a Political Minefield
Ronald Brownstein
Washington Outlook

August 15, 2005

President Bush and his top advisors have never said the United States wants to establish permanent military bases in Iraq. But they have never ruled out the possibility either.

Should they?

Larry Diamond, a former consultant to the U.S. occupation authority in Iraq, thinks so. In fact, he considers it a crucial step toward ending the insurgency.

Diamond is an expert on promoting democracy and the editor of a respected journal on the subject. Though he considers himself a Democrat, he works as a senior fellow at the conservative Hoover Institution at Stanford University. There he came to know Condoleezza Rice during her time as a Stanford professor and administrator.

In November 2003, Rice asked Diamond to help the Coalition Provisional Authority design plans for holding elections and constructing a permanent Iraqi government.

http://www.latimes.com/news/columnists/la-na-outlook15aug15,1,7339333,print.column?coll=la-news-columns

Posted by: wv on August 17, 2005 10:29 PM


New Abuse Photos Could Spark Riots, US General Warns

By William Fisher

08/16/05 'IPS"-- -- NEW YORK, Civil libertarians and the Pentagon appear headed for yet another trainwreck in the ongoing dispute over the so-called second batch of photos from Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

In response to a lawsuit by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), the Centre for Constitutional Rights (CCR), and a number of medical and veterans groups demanding release of 87 new videos and photographs depicting detainee abuse at the now infamous prison, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Richard Myers, said the release would result in ”riots, violence and attacks by insurgents.”

In court papers filed to contest the lawsuit, Gen. Myers said he consulted with Gen. John P. Abizaid, head of the United States Central Command, and Gen. George W. Casey Jr., the commander of the U.S. forces in Iraq. Both officers also opposed the release, Gen. Myers said.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9813.htm



Posted by: wv on August 17, 2005 10:32 PM

The problem here is that SELFISH politicians get into office in DC either elected or steal it like
the smirky shrub. shrub and his ilk, all they think of is me,me,ME 24/7, when in reality elected
or stealing elected ones must put people, country
and everything else FIRST and must put what they
want for themselves absolutely LAST. That's not the way it IS now. No wonder the country is going to down a deep drain into an abyss!

Posted by: Raj on August 17, 2005 10:57 PM

Well, I got my cute, little candle and a little cup. Tonight, 7:30 at Princeton's, Palmer Square. Last I looked there were to be about 40 people there, but that was last night. Maybe more today.

Weather is lovely, finally.

Posted by: Beasley on August 17, 2005 11:09 PM

wv posted: "Permanent US Bases in Iraq?"

We'll know the whole horrible faisco is over when reports start leaking news of "insurgents" destroying those stupid USian military bases one by one... or mebbe they'll do it all at once. That'd be fun. ;O)

Posted by: JoannaOregon on August 17, 2005 11:34 PM

Gas Trucker Strike?? Here in N.Alabama where I live there has been talk of a strike tonight by truckers that bring in gas to the stations here. The truckers are complaining about the cost of gas and there have been rumors of a strike - outside of the large city where I live in the smaller towns there have already been huge lines of cars trying to fill up - two stations have already sold out of all their gasoline. Just received a call from a friend who knows a trucker and he said truckers as far away as California are talking about a strike. Local news carried the story here tonight and since then gas stations have seen long lines of cars. Anybody else hear anything about this in their areas???

Posted by: Camille on August 17, 2005 11:35 PM

Another point is these repugs/cons and the rotten wing(I'll NEVER call them right wing because there
is absolutely zilch RIGHT with that wing) mouth off from both sides of their mouth in Cindy Sheehan's patriotic protests. Right now, she has
at least 70 to 80% of the country supporting her.Then the rotten wing says she is taking it too
far and this and that etc.etc. On the other hand,
if this protest had not the support, it has gained
then, this same rotten wing would have ridiculed
her to the max. Such is the rotten wing's con/repug's crooked mind and brain(if there is any
works.

Posted by: Raj on August 17, 2005 11:39 PM

The average stupid USian has no idea how much petroleum affects & pervades their selfish lil lives. Plastic is made of petroleum, fertilizers (for quick cheat corpo-growing of crops), medicines, transportation that distributes... everything. Are bushaholic's squads of darth vadars waiting for them when they riot?!? If so, where will they put them... mebbe bushie's darths just plan to shoot 'em down. Mebbe THIS will be the final scene of the neoconman's really bad national snuff video.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on August 17, 2005 11:42 PM

Yea, verily, raj... I'm almost enjoying the bits of limbaugh mouthings these days because I know it is projecting, & everything it says about "the other," it is yammering about itself & its supporters. It's very, very heartening what it prophesizes for itself & its buddies I can tell you that. And the more it does its oxycotin-induced prophesizing, the worse & more bizarre it gets.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on August 17, 2005 11:48 PM

Well, WV, just as they began bombing Iraq before they said, "that's it! We're going to war!", maybe they're building US bases in Iraq before they tell us it's so. I recommend sticking with your first impression.

As to the riots that will be sparked by the as-yet-unreleased Abu Graib photos, I guess THAT tells us all we need to know, huh?

Posted by: Lori on August 18, 2005 12:43 AM

Well,

Arrived in North Carolina safely with the grands. They're settling in, getting re-acquainted with their rooms! I stepped outside a bit ago and could not believe the lights! candles! Neighbors across the street have about twenty four on their porch, and across the other street, it's so lit up, I first thought it was Christmas decoration. Do you believe this? Everywhere I go online, they say there are vigils everywhere... anybody else have anything to report, or are you all at a vigil? Blessed be... namaste... peace

Posted by: Jo on August 18, 2005 02:33 AM

Just got back from a candlelight peace vigil......about 100 people at 57th and Lex. It was interesting that almost all were women. I counted no more than 15 men at the peak. I wonder why that is.

Posted by: Teg on August 18, 2005 02:39 AM

Just getting ready to head out the door to Ben Lomond, west coast! Will check back in when we get home. Namaste.

Posted by: Morgana on August 18, 2005 02:45 AM

SALLY,


I posted this at one of your previous articles. Hope you'll touch on some of this in your new article.

"I know so many of us feel that women coming into more and more of their own power are going to be instrumental in the changes we are hoping and praying for. I wonder how the feminine asteroids are playing into what is happening now, politically, generally, and especially with events surrounding Cindy Sheehan."

Posted by: Jaycee on August 18, 2005 02:58 AM

PLEASE READ THIS POST ON DU

http://tinyurl.com/cwn7w

Election Fraud: It's Time to Make a Stand.

It was the Republicans who first bandied the term "coup d'etat" to describe the 2000 presidential election. Since then, many have turned the tables and labeled Bush's victory a coup. But how much of this is merely political rhetoric?

- John Dee, COUP2K http://www.lumpen.com/coup2k/index.html

How much, indeed.

I’m posting this as a wake-up call. I see a lot of Democrats, Progressives, Centrists and Moderates engaged in a serious bout of self-delusion. They believe, (quite earnestly), that by learning how to ‘frame the issue’ and by getting voters to the polls, they can defeat the Republican machine.

I see it differently. I see a lot of energy going to waste.

The issue, the only issue, is whether or not your vote is being counted fairly. It’s not about ‘Security Moms’ or ‘Family Values’ or ‘Social Security Reform’ or ‘gay marriage’. That is because all of these issues are meaningless once the ballots are cast. And if your ballot is cast digitally, it’s just a number that can be changed with a password and a few keystrokes, and voila, another ‘close-call’ election.

It turns out that Florida was a trial run. A successful trial run. The most important lesson learned is: have a Secretary of State in place who will do anything for you, as Gore Vidal http://www.alternet.org/story/22222 illustrates below;

More...

Posted by: Pat C on August 18, 2005 03:33 AM

Pat C,

I so agree. We can have the greatest policies, candidates, intentions, but bottom line, if votes aren't counted and/or counted fairly, NOTHING ELSE MATTERS!!! This issue should be kept front and center everywhere until it is resolved in every state, and if we don't wake up and realize this, well shame on us- we won't be able to say after the fact that we didn't know, and then complain about the outcome of our elections.

We have a tendency to deal with issues as they come into crisis mode but we need to start to act now and continue until the 2006 elections, not begin in October 2006.

Posted by: Jaycee on August 18, 2005 04:07 AM

Jaycee,

It's all in the counting. History has shown it over and over again. The worst governments were established in just this way, and that is the way we are headed.

Posted by: Pat C on August 18, 2005 04:20 AM

Wow great experience. They were expecting 20 people and over 50 showed up. That's a lot for a little mountain town. Everyone who drove buy honked, flashed the V sign for Peace. I saw many of my neighbors. good balance of old grey heads and young families with babies, dogs on leashes. The All American faces, every day not profession activists, just ordinary people who have had enough. Best evening we've had in a long time.

Posted by: Morgana on August 18, 2005 05:22 AM

A lovely vigil in pacific Palisades, a usually preublican village... about 70 people, and lots of car honking , everyone peaceful and so hopeful and cheerful at the same time..

:)

Posted by: Flo c. on August 18, 2005 07:03 AM

I expect Bush to have protection until Jupiter moves into Scorpio and makes no hard aspects to either his natal or progressed planets.

That will be the case in August of 2006. I am wondering if there could be a civil war of sorts (attempt to control the country using Martial Law) in the U.S. between Aug 9 and Sep 4 2006. If any astrologers would care to look be sure to include Sibley and Battle of Fort Sumpter charts and their progressions (especially to the aforementioned dates) in your study.

bob

Posted by: bob on August 18, 2005 07:16 AM

Pat C--correct all the way on the theft of the voting process. I am in Georgia now and every precinct here has Diebold machines with no paper trail.

At a big "Keep the Vote Alive" rally Aug 6 in Atlanta Nancy Pelosi, John Lewis, Maxine Waters, Corrine Brown, Charles Rangle, Cynthia McKinney, that wonderful Representative who was in Fahrenheit 9/11 and said to Michael Moore, "Sit down my son, we don't read most bills..." (He's one of my heroes but I'm having a senior moment and can't remember his name) were all there with Jesse Jackson and many others. The rally was to support a new Voting Rights Act, but the threat of pre-programmed votes or elections without paper trails was mentioned only obliquely.

Atlanta newspaper reports 700+ at Decatur (seamlessly adjoining Atlanta) rally last night and three rallys in other in-town Atlanta neighborhoods, plus rallys in Jonesboro and Douglasville.

Georgia is red, but in-town Atlanta neighborhoods (including Decatur) are blue. Jonesboro and Douglasville are considered red.

Posted by: Barbara on August 18, 2005 01:34 PM

This report from one of the vigils:

After a few opening words, and cheers of "Cindy, Cindy" the crowd quieted down and a group of vintage women known as the "Raging Grannies of Denver" and 1 husband (Mag Seaman, Sara Lehan and Ken Seaman) sang a song the husband wrote:

The Cindy Sheehan Song (to the tune of "The Yellow Rose of Texas)

There's a woman down in Crawford
Who doesn't mean to pry
But the man who sent her son to death
Just will not tell her why

She's surrounded by companions
Many mothers with Gold Stars
Who all would like a word with Bush
About his dirty wars

They would like to hear his answer
As he sputters, lies and grins
And thus avoids their question:
"Why not enlist the Twins?"

Repeat the first stanza
To this add the voices of a thousand gathered as one voice, one voice to join a thousand other voices in a thousand other cities and towns across the country.

"STOP THE WAR, GEORGE BUSH! STOP THE WAR RIGHT NOW!

We sat silently holding candles, in prayer, in thought, wondering why. Remembering the dead, American and Iraqi, murdered by a lie. All the while horns honked from cars passing by.

We sang songs of peace, songs of longing and hope, we read poems, we were one voice, wanting answers...

We closed singing in a closed circle, hand in hand...

LET THERE BE PEACE ON EARTH, AND LET IT BEGIN WITH ME...!

Posted by: Jo on August 18, 2005 02:09 PM

The other story the day that BUSH DROVE BY.

Benediction delivered at impromptu service by the Rev. Dr. Bob Edgar, general secretary of the National Council of the Churches of Christ in the USA. He’s also a former six-term, 12-year Congressman from Pennsylvania


"May God bless you with DISCOMFORT...
At easy answers, half truths, and superficial relationships,
So that you may live deep within your heart.

May God bless you with ANGER...
At injustice, oppression, and exploitation of people,
So that you may work for justice, freedom, and peace.

May God bless you with TEARS...
To shed for those who suffer from pain, rejection, starvation and war.
So that you may reach out your hand to comfort them
And turn their pain into JOY.

And may God bless you with enough FOOLISHNESS...
To believe that you can make a difference in this world,
So that you can DO what others claim cannot be done.
Amen"


Rest of story http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/8/18/83224/5616

Posted by: Jaycee on August 18, 2005 03:10 PM

LET THERE BE PEACE ON EARTH


Let there be peace on earth
And let it begin with me.
Let there be peace on earth
The peace that was meant to be.
With God as our father
Brothers all are we.
Let me walk with my brother
In perfect harmony.

Let peace begin with me
Let this be the moment now.
With every step i take
Let this be my solemn vow.
To take each moment
And live each moment
With peace eternally.
Let ther be peace on earth,
And let it begin with me.

(child)
Let there be peace on earth
And let it begin with me.
Let there be peace on earth
The peace that was meant to be.
With god as our father
Brothers all are we.
Let me walk with my brother
In perfect harmony.

Let peace begin with me
Let this be the moment now.
With every step I take
Let this be my solemn vow.
To take each moment
And live each moment
In peace eternally.
Let there be peace on earth
And let it begin with me.

Posted by: wv on August 18, 2005 03:11 PM

from Liberal Street Fighter MadmaninTheMarketplace:

Wednesday, August 17, 2005

Feingold: "I believe I am the first senator [to set a deadline]"

Found at USA Today & the Milwaukee Journal Sentinal, through the Xoff Files:

Feingold seeks troop withdrawal

Sen. Russ Feingold, a Wisconsin Democrat, will call Thursday for the withdrawal of all U.S. troops from Iraq by Dec. 31, 2006.

Feingold, who is exploring a run for the presidency in 2008, told U.S. News: “I believe I am the first senator [to set a deadline]. It says: Here is the date by which we ought to finish the mission."

One of our finest Senators has once again shown that he has the integrity and vision to speak the truth while many of the other leaders of the Democratic Party still bang the drums of war.

Even this June, when Feingold introduced a resolution in Senate that called on the president to clarify the mission in Iraq and lay out “a plan and timeframe for accomplishing that mission,” the senator did not call for a deadline for withdrawing troops.

Back then, Feingold said he was not dictating “deadlines or dates certain . . . because drawing up timeframes is best and most appropriately left to the Administration, in consultation with military leaders.”

Now, however, Feingold has changed his mind and believes a deadline is necessary.

“I offered a resolution and tried to engage colleagues and asked the president to give us a vision,” he said. “The president has simply refused to give us a mission or timeframe to bring the troops home."

much more http://tinyurl.com/8z457

Posted by: Jo on August 18, 2005 03:41 PM

Should Smirky meet with Cindy Sheehan?
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/content/news/sheehan

Posted by: shylurker on August 18, 2005 03:50 PM

Thanks Shy,

I just love the alternative option: No, he has already said why we are war.

Yeah, right... reason du jour... changes like soup... come to think of it, it's more of a stew, than a soup...

WacoTribune indulges in disinformation with that kind of phrasing...

Posted by: Jo on August 18, 2005 04:42 PM

* ... How Can Evil Deeds Be Reconciled With Christian Beliefs?

It’s important to understand that the founders of Dominionism are sitting on the horns of a moral dilemma: How can a leader be both good & evil at the same time? For if biblical moral proscriptions are applicable to him, he will certainly suffer some form of censure. And if proscriptions are applicable, the leader cld not lie to the citizenry with impunity or do evil so that “good” cld be achieved. The answer to the dilemma of how a Dominionist leader cld both do evil & still maintain his place of honor in the Christian community lies in the acceptance & adoption of the Calvinistic doctrine that James Hogg wrote about in The Private Memoirs & Confessions of a Justified Sinner. (WW Norton, NY 1970.)

This novel, published in 1824, is concerned with psychological aberration & as such, anticipates the literature of the 20th C. The protagonist is a young man named Robert, who drenched in the religious bigotry of Calvinism, concluded that he was predestined before the beginning of the world to enter heaven, therefore no sin he committed wld be held to his acct. This freed Robert to become an assassin in the cause of Christ & His Church.

50 yrs ago a variation on the concept was expressed disapprovingly as, “Once saved—always saved.” In this view, salvation had nothing to do with “good works or a holy life.” A drunk who had a born again experience wld be among God’s chosen elect whether he stopped drinking or not. But the logical extension of the reasoning is the idea that Christianity cld have within itself not ex-sinners but active sinners: as Christian murderers, Christian pedophiles, Christian rapists, Christian thieves, Christian arsonists, & every other kind of socio-pathological behavior possible. As we have sadly witnessed of late the concept is broadly accepted within the American churches.

But the Dominionists needed the aberrant extension of Calvinism; they believe as did Calvin & John Knox that before the creation of the universe, all men were indeed predestined to be either among God’s elect or were unregenerate outcasts. And it is at this point Dominionists introduced a perversion to Calvinism-—the same one James Hogg utilizes in his The Private Memoirs & Confessions of a Justified Sinner-—its technical name is “supralapsarianism.” It means essentially that the man called from before the foundation of the world to be one of the elect of God’s people, can do no wrong. No wonder then observers noted a definite religious swing in gw bush from Wesleyan theology to Calvinism early in his [regime].[25]

How comforting the Calvinistic idea of a “justified sinner” is when one is utilizing Machiavellian techniques to gain political control of a state. It’s more than comforting; it is a required doctrine for “Christians” who believe they must use evil to bring about good. It justifies lying, murder, fraud & all other criminal acts w/o the fuss of having to deal with guilt feelings or to feel remorse for the lives lost thru executions, military actions, or assassinations. ...

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm

Posted by: JoannaOregon on August 18, 2005 05:46 PM

here's the latest update on the progress of the federal indictments of Bush Cheney et al:

http://www.cloakanddagger.de/media/S_284_S/Overthrow%20series/BUSH%20INDICTMENT%20FIXING.htm

Posted by: Garry on August 18, 2005 05:49 PM

Something within--even a criminal(s) of unspeakable crimes--IMPELS it obsessively to justify, rationalize, cover up, & wrap in the appearance of "goodness" & "righteousness" those crimes. Isn't it odd?!?!? It wldn't have to do that if it were really congruent with its crimes. Wonder what that "something" is... ;O)

Posted by: JoannaOregon on August 18, 2005 06:12 PM


Most of the world is distracted by the astonishing sight of Jews evicting Jews from illegally occupied land in Gaza. But don't think of Ariel Sharon's "disengagement" plan as a step toward peace.

While the cameras are focused on Gaza, Jerusalem is being rapidly expanded and walled off, shutting out not only Muslims but also Christians.

The occupation is far from over, which means that Israel's security worries will only increase.

http://villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat/archive/001157.php

Posted by: wv on August 18, 2005 06:16 PM

The interesting thing with all articles posted on the net with the Chicago Grand Jury is that is goes so well along with astrological predictions that this presidential mandate would be one of the shortest ones.

I so like Kucinich and his team working on organizing peace this last year.

:)

Posted by: Flo c. on August 18, 2005 07:52 PM


What Watergate could teach the White House

By Marvin Kalb
Published: August 17 2005 19:59 | Last updated: August 17 2005 19:59

Somebody is lying. So wrote Terry Neal, a Washington Post reporter, on July 25 2005. He was writing about one of the strangest stories to engulf the White House since the terrorist attacks of September 11 2001. It is the story of an official investigation into who leaked the name of a CIA operative to the media. According to a 1982 law, that kind of leak would be illegal. Two prominent names have emerged in the investigation of the leak – Karl Rove, President George W. Bush’s deputy chief of staff, and Lewis Libby, vice-president Dick Cheney’s chief of staff.


The investigation appears now to be heading towards rapid conclusion. If the prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, finds that either Mr Rove or Mr Libby or both violated the law, they would face criminal charges, and the Bush administration would find itself enmeshed in a scandal of dimensions that are already being compared to the Nixon-era Watergate scandal.

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/73182b30-0f4c-11da-8b31-00000e2511c8.html

Posted by: wv on August 18, 2005 07:59 PM

Please read and consider contacting/boycotting comcast:

http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001720.htm

Posted by: Garry on August 18, 2005 08:08 PM


Bush's unhappy holidays
The presidential vacationer is being besieged

Sidney Blumenthal
Thursday August 18, 2005

Guardian

Home on the range more than the deer and the antelope play. Near a drainage ditch by the road leading to Prairie Chapel, President Bush's Texas ranch, the mother of a dead soldier has pitched a tent. Cindy Sheehan has refused to leave until she is granted an audience with the president. Her son, 24-year-old Army Spc Casey Sheehan, a Humvee mechanic, was killed in Baghdad's Sadr City on April 4 2004, and she calls her makeshift vigil in memorial "Camp Casey".
Her previous meeting with Bush has only impelled her to seek the satisfaction of another one. "He didn't even know Casey's name. Every time we tried to talk about Casey and how much we missed him, he would change the subject."

Bush has sent out emissaries, including his national security adviser Stephen


http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5265082-103677,00.html

Posted by: wv on August 18, 2005 08:56 PM

Some really lovely thoughts here to keep us well afloat...

"Use your thoughts wisely. Understand their power. Thoughts have a tendency to become their physical equivalent. This is one of the fundamental laws of the universe. Another one is the law of attraction, which states that 'like attracts like.' Because it is consciousness that creates reality, the kind of consciousness you hold - your vibration - actually creates the kind of life you're living."

Dr. Christiane Northrup - http://www.drnorthrup.com/


- Thich Nhat Hanh - http://www.motivationalinspirationalquotes.com/ "What we choose to emphasize in this complex history will determine our lives. If we see only the worst, it destroys our capacity to do something. If we remember those times and places - and there are so many - where people have behaved magnificently, this gives us the energy to act, and at least the possibility of sending this spinning top of a world in a different direction."

- Howard Zinn - http://www.spiritsong.com/quotes/ "We either fear that human culture is falling apart, or we can hold the Vision that we are awakening. Either way, our expectation is a prayer that goes out as a force that tends to bring about the end we envision. Each of us must consciously choose between these two futures."


http://www.ascendpress.org/ "There will be many things that will distract you and challenge you; but you are vital for holding the energy field that stabilizes the planet. As you practice the principles of peace and bring forth this loving vibration into the world, you become the  change you wish to experience in the world. By staying in a loving, peaceful energy field, you have the ability to assist Earth and your species in being stable and coming through the challenges of transition."


Posted by: Flo c. on August 18, 2005 09:13 PM

interesting site here...

http://www.cropcirclesrevealed.com/

and last thoughts.. :)

"You are living in a Universe of resonance. Therefore, that which you concentrate on increases because it attracts more of the same to you. If you wish to experience more joy in your life, concentrate on that which gives you joy on a daily basis. This does not mean that you need to ignore those things that make you unhappy, but by acknowledging the aspects of your life that do make you happy, you give yourself joy, and begin to increase the amount of joy in your life. The Universe operates according to the Law of Increase. This law ensures that whatever you concentrate on will automatically increase in your life. If you concentrate on lack, then lack will manifest itself in more shortage and more experience of the things that give you those feelings."

- Omni through John Payne http://www.consciouscreation.com/journal/Archives.htm

"Whatever we pay attention to, read, worry about, feel strongly about, write about, get energetically charged about, we attract to us like a magnet. It does not matter WHAT it is or whether it is good or bad for us. We just get MORE of it. So when we resist war or protest war, guess what, we get more of the same. When we are FOR peace and focus upon peace and love, we get more of that... The magnet of our energy and attention brings the darkness or the light - it is our choice. "

Posted by: Flo c. on August 18, 2005 09:15 PM

Garry,

thank you for the comcast post, I am testing my own e-mail just in case...

Posted by: Flo c. on August 18, 2005 09:21 PM

Goddess calls us to see...

Ourselves as divine

Our bodies as sacred

The changing phases of our Lives as holy

Our assertion as healthy

Our anger as purifying

Our power to create, nurture, limit & destroy as the very Force that sustains all Life.

Starhawk
The Sacred Dance

Posted by: JoannaOregon on August 18, 2005 10:12 PM

Thanks Flo for those uplifting thoughts.

Astrologers, I was pondering more about Pluto in Sag last night and I would be interested to hear an thoughts you may have on the following.

It occurred to me Pluto in Sag must also highlight a stuggle with the form that higher education takes, as well as religion. Not much has been said in that regard.

I mention it now because here in NZ it seems that the whole government is being run by former schoolteachers, political science theorists and 'educated idiot' consultants - lots of theory, but no practicality. Very little real life experience or practice, just what has been learned in books. Not to discount the value of books, but a surely a practical balance must be achieved somehow.
The format of modern western education goes back to the need to educate the masses so they would make good factory workers - a mold to give rewards and accolades to those who can spout back the 'right' answers to the teachers. Little encouragement is given for critical thinking skills. Many of the best thinkers did poorly in school. (einstein, bill gates, henry ford etc.) While our highly educated include the likes of Condi, (and she couldn't imagine planes flying into the towers) Bush's strategist brain, Rove, dropped out didn't he?

And then I pondered that much has been made about GWB being the first MBA president, and recalled that Clinton was also highly educated, an Oxford Rhodes Scholar. All while pluto has been going through Sag. And all the while Universities have been lowering their standards to accommodate the dumbing down of the populace; and the sloppiness of younger 'journalists' with journalist degrees has become the accepted norm.

So perhaps Pluto in Capricorn will bring a needed balance back to that arena as well - but I suppose the lesson will be to maintain the balance between practicality and booklearning. And perhaps we will have to be on guard against throwing out all the books during this time. As Buddha said - strive for the middle way in all things.

Posted by: kiwijeanie on August 18, 2005 10:13 PM

Looks like this "border to Mexico' snafu is getting bigger. Reminds me of the sudden--relatively sudden--drug flooding into LA etc during the 60s-70s. And the same testosteronic mentally-challenged hot-boyz are always ready to beat up on someone. But it diverts, on purpose, attn away from the USian mafioso. It always, always works. Oh, & they really DEMAND everybody forget about Cindy Sheehan because she's a nothin' compared to the border. ;O(

Posted by: JoannaOregon on August 18, 2005 10:22 PM

The Middle Way is definitely the best... I love that Kiwijeanie,..

Here an interesting site about nutrition, tips that we may adapt as we like..
:)
http://www.ascendpress.org/Community/Plants&Trees/FruitNutPlants.htm

Posted by: Flo c. on August 18, 2005 11:13 PM


Redemption Within Reach for the American Empire

By Jason Miller

08/18/05 "ICH" -- -- America 's "strong and resolute" Commander in Chief is safely enjoying a five week vacation on his Texas ranch. Yes, that would be the ranch he owns by virtue of that silver spoon that was dangling out of his mouth as he passed down the birth canal. Following his example from Vietnam , his daughters remain stateside as Bush pontificates the nobility of the cause for which 2,000 Americans have died in Iraq . Despite his unflinching conviction, Mr. Bush lacks the courage to confront Cindy Sheehan and explain to her why her son really died. Ultimately George Bush bears the responsibility for the death of Casey Sheehan, yet he refuses to take a few minutes of his precious "R&R" to impart his wisdom to Cindy about the noble reasons for which he is putting our troops in harm's way. He owes her and the rest of America an answer, but this Evangelical crusader cannot summon the mettle to meet with her on his own doorstep.

Your lies are revealed and your cover is blown

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9849.htm


Posted by: wv on August 18, 2005 11:20 PM

Our thoughts:
Old: the choices are between good or bad.
New: the choices are between good or better.

The keynote authors and illustrators at the national children's book conference brought up the over testing of our students. Totally against it. Shutting down of the imagination. Like I said before, I'm a stealth bomber in the classroom. I teach k- 6 the inner life and how to go under the surface of words, the vibration of words and how to read between the lines. The indigos really get it. Some of us are fighting back in direct ways. When the arts die, so does civilization.

Posted by: bhakti on August 18, 2005 11:41 PM


Flo C

Thanks for the great site. There is certainly
a lot of food for thought...as well as for one's
nutrition. It will keep me reading and cooking
for awhile.

Posted by: wv on August 18, 2005 11:43 PM

Don't know if it's been posted (just popping in) ... Cindy Sheehan has announced she's going home - her mother had a stroke. Here's aol's poll asking whether her views are supported or wrong ... looks like it's being taken over by neocon posters ... if you can, go vote so our voices can be heard and pass it on! (it makes me really sad, bye the way ... she has been a bright beacon of light and all of the hate pouring out at her must be terribly debilitating. Hope it's getting healed by the white light of love that thousands are sending her as well).

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050818095409990040&ncid=NWS00010000000001

Posted by: Marta on August 18, 2005 11:52 PM

I think there will be an escalating effect from this, and it is likely that Cindy will become an active public figure. She has a Venus, Mars, Uranus conjunction in early Leo. Pluto at 28. Saturn will be there for the next couple of years and has brought her into the spotlight for good reason. As the hubris and failure of the false are revealed more and more, the powers in opposition will rise.

This was in my paper today:

"I know that at the vigil I ran into Bill Vickers, an 82 year old WWII vet, a marine who fought in the Pacific. He calls himself an arch conservative who voted for Bush twice and is now a critic of the war.
'This is not a war any rational person could support', Vickers said.'Back in WWII we died for a reason. This war has no reason and no graceful way to end.'
He said it was his first anti-war rally, but it won't be his last."

I noticed the difference as I a studied the photos from the vigils. The people are ordinary folks and indicates a deep seated change in our society as to who actually speaks up in protest of war. Her Uranus probably touched all layers of society and brought them together in this endeavor. It's as if it's becoming mainstream. This is all connected to our progressed retro Mars, I think, as the conflict is coming home. And it's largely about our right to protest, which was the big winner in this. She practically stormed the Bastille and succeeded.

Cindy's huge spark has ignited a movement that is just beginning.

Posted by: jm on August 19, 2005 12:27 AM

Move-on says that over 100,000 people attended the vigils. Cindy's first leg of the job is done. What timing. She is now free to attend to her mother. All these Cancers... Bush, Cindy, and the good 'ol US of A.

Posted by: jm on August 19, 2005 12:38 AM

We will be having a new moon coming on Sept 3....and a full moon on Sept 22....and Pluto will be going direct at the full moon. Might not some serious changes take place then, as the past behaviors, time lines and gestalts are tested for reality and found wanting are dissolved?

This week for me has been really diffiult for many people it seems, and I have picked up much of that depression pychically. Today I went to my mom's rest home (one of her roomates passed away last Thursday, although she doesn't remember her) and my mom was in bed, although not sick, just tired of being old and decrepit. Amazingly, her mind was fine. But just couldn't be up and about. I know how she feels. A depression of the spirit.

Posted by: judi g on August 19, 2005 12:49 AM

pardon my typing....this has been going on for a while...dropping letters and havintg a kind of stream of consciousness delivery....hope you can figure out my twists and turns.

Posted by: judi g on August 19, 2005 12:51 AM

I give up!

Posted by: judi g on August 19, 2005 12:52 AM

You are completely pardoned, judi. Typos in my book are a very minor infraction.

Posted by: jm on August 19, 2005 01:03 AM

I could never figure out why people were describing our current political situation as conservative and that a totalitarian control was underway. This to me is one of the most radical governments I've experienced and exhibits very little real control. No matter what else is going on, Neptune is in Aquarius and is keeping alive the utopian ideal in the collective body. The Neocon program is just a bastardization of an ideal they had. I think this might be a prelude to Pluto in Capricorn when any remaining archaic controls will be demolished.

Posted by: jm on August 19, 2005 01:17 AM

Don't give up Judi G.,
just give in... I read you can leave most of the vowels out and the message is still understood. (jm was it you that brought that piece of news?)

nursing homes are the pits for anyone... those there and those visiting...

Go have a bubble bath Judi G. and light a few candles and play some soft music... namaste

Posted by: Jo on August 19, 2005 01:18 AM

Yes'm on de vowels.

Posted by: jm on August 19, 2005 01:24 AM

Billmon has a very lengthy and informative piece on the recently indicted David Satterfield, known as "USGO-2"...

The 51st State

~snip~

The diplomat, David M. Satterfield, was identified in the indictment as a United States government official, "USGO-2," the people briefed on the matter said. In early 2002, USGO-2 discussed secret national security matters in two meetings with Steven J. Rosen, who has since been dismissed as a top lobbyist for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, known as Aipac, who has been charged in the case.

http://billmon.org/archives/002088.html

Posted by: Jo on August 19, 2005 01:31 AM

(((((((((((((((((Judi)))))))))))))))))
I Third the typos OK! My messages going West Union, due to lack of time & energy!
Yassam, Nursing Homes are dreary depressing places. I tried to hang a suet block & bird feeder on Eric's window, but a squirrel made such a mess of the whole lot, that I took it home again! I wiped the suet off the window with paper towels, but maintainance hasn't come by with the windex yet!

However Eric has gained 4 lb. and has the energy to walk down to the kitchen at the end of the hall, ( no wheelchair/walker!) where he can get his own food!
Spent yesterday afternoon in a Citgo station, waiting for a new radiator hose for my car. A case of highway robbery! Bush has really set the tone for rampant capitalism! So dinner out was late & I missed getting back for the vigil I had signed up for! At least my reservation was among the counted!
PQ

Posted by: Pat QOP on August 19, 2005 01:42 AM

The more I think about it, the more utterly astounded I am. 100,000 people in the streets practically over night. If anyone had doubts about our urge to speak up and demonstrate our discontent, they can be laid to rest now.

We are in the new paradigm. The power of the blogosphere. We organized a massive demonstration instantly and by-passed all traditional organizing methods. It's like we are on a giant walkie-talkie and have entered a new era of communication and organization.
Wow.

Posted by: jm on August 19, 2005 01:43 AM

jm,

we have a full moon coming tomorrow too...

I just returned from taking the grands home from the summer... bittersweet, will miss them, but I really need a rest... September is coming... we are probably going to need to be rested from what the astrologers are saying...

Anyway, my Cancer stuff is highly affected by the phases of the moon... and I returned earlier than I had planned... you know, my Uranus turned me on a dime... so, we're home... back to the woods.

tomorrow Judi G., I'm, going to sleep in... then I'm going to build a fire, in honor of Leo... a small one --- we do live in the woods! (It's rained every day for the past two months!)... and celebrate the full moon.

In honor of Cindy Sheehan, I am using the Celtic names for the August moon: WYRT MOON: Green Plant Moon, Corn Moon, Dispute Moon, Wedmonath, Herb Moon and Wort Moon are some of the names it is known by.

Light to Cindy and to her Mom... blessed be... namaste

Posted by: Jo on August 19, 2005 01:49 AM

((((Pat QofP)))) and ((((Eric))))

Posted by: Jo on August 19, 2005 01:52 AM


This story and the comments are an education in
itself to the situation in Israel...facinating!

Last update - 09:48 18/08/2005


Israel must sit shiva

By Ari Shavit

NETZER HAZANI - Gush Katif is dying. The settlements are breathing their last. Some are reconciled, others are resisting. Some are fighting back, others are falling apart. Some are grieving deeply, others have broken hearts. The settlers have been defeated. Their greenhouses are withering. Their synagogues are empty. Their rooms are wide open. Their villages are ghost towns. Contrary to what was promised, most were not violent. Contrary to what was promised, most bowed their heads before the state and the law. So that now, as they go into what they view as exile, it is possible to begin the soul-searching - about what happened here.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/614014.html

Posted by: wv on August 19, 2005 01:59 AM

Thanks Jo and jm....I am feeling all the changes going on. Actually, my mom's rest home is a great one...very loving, very caring.

couldn't help but think that Cindy's mom couldn't bear the pressure of her daughter making a stand -being proud is one thing, knowing her daughter's marriage is done from this pressure, and her grandson dead, must have been just too much. She may be a person like the rest of amerika is....generally wanting to fade into the woodwork as it were. I hope she will be ok....

Posted by: judi g on August 19, 2005 02:20 AM


More Fiore....

http://www.sfgate.com/comics/fiore/

Posted by: wv on August 19, 2005 02:35 AM

All I can say was that last night around Princeton's Palmer Square was ceremonially dignified and beautiful. There must have been about 300 people there. Many had already been to the Princeton Library and had lighted their candles earlier. They then joined us at Palmer Square. We chatted and sang, prayed and cried. We surrounded the perimeter of the square with our candles and our bodies. Passers by gave us honks and praise. I'm glad I could make it.

Just wrote a letter through John Conyer's Web site for Cindy to whatever newspapers the Conyer's group decides to send it.

Finally, this "eviction" from Gaza is really beginning to cheese me off. Finally, finally ABC news mentioned the Palestinians who were evicted from the same land, and not so gently. What ever happened to "Fair and balanced reporting?"

Posted by: Beasley on August 19, 2005 02:49 AM

(((Judy g)))
breathe deeply and have a nice herb tea with this bath and candles that Jo prescribed..

Wv you are welcome, i love your posts, multiple thanks for them.

(((Jo))) namaste

Posted by: Flo c. on August 19, 2005 03:02 AM

Thanks for the hug Flo c. We are soooo happy you have joined us...

Thursday 18 August 2005
9:00 PM

At about 6PM, 75 people marched down the road with hundreds of letters to Laura Bush, asking her to convince George to meet with Cindy.

Medea Benjiman and a military mom handed over the leters to Bill Burke from the Office of the Secretary of the President.

The Sheriff stopped the marchers at a fork in the road. About 1.7 miles from the Presidents Ranch.

I spoke with Nadia McCaffrey, whose son was killed Iraq. She told me that there will always be a mother of a fallen soldier here if George comes out while Cindy is away.

Truthout blog

Posted by: Jo on August 19, 2005 04:32 AM

Cindy Sheehan left Crawford to visit her mother in San Diego who is quite ill. I think that this was the event on the 19th that Sally was talking about. It is very positive for these reasons. First, she should see her mother, always at those times. Second, it allows the vigil to continue with other mothers. It's not all about Cindy and she never said it was. It's about all the mothers. If the 911 Jersey girls show up and have a question or questions for *, Katie bar the door as they used to say...it's all over but the shouting.

I'm struck by how much Cindy looks like the 911 widows and how much they both remind me of the Irish peace movement led by women. This is what it takes apparently and that's fine.

btw, did you notice that the incredibly unpopular (17% approval) Gov. Bob Taft pled guilty to bribe taking today in Ohio Court. There is a massive investigation in Ohio of County proesecutors and a Federal prosecutor (known for being non partisan). The Taft plea is just the start. How fast will he roll over and spill the beans when he's got a felony rap pending and the deal is to COME CLEAN ON THE STOLEN ELECTION IN 2004.

That story will come out and it's a long slide from 41% approval to about 25% for *. Get ready for an exciting ride down Occam's Razor, painful too!

So rejoice, as an ice formation the size of France breaks off the polar cap and the tundra in Russia thaws to release unparalleled amounts of CO2 gas into the atmosphere; as China talks about a nuclear attack on the USA and Korea produces bombs; as the folks in Iran imagine Persian glory (and the Persians always lost the big ones) and the Pakistanis hide both bin Ladin and nuclear weapons...we here are being saved by a very brave woman standing in a ditch with a hearty band of supporters and some neighbors of * who hate him so much they want Cindy and her crew that much closer to the * faux ranch (apparantly with a barn of vinyl siding).

It's a great day to be alive, 8/19/05

Posted by: mike on August 19, 2005 08:17 AM

Excerpt from http://www.earthwalkastrology.com/

It is commonly perceived by astrologers that one's progressed lunation cycle First Quarter square is a time of crisis. For Mr Bush, this is additionally evident from the fact that Pluto turns direct on September 2nd while holding a stationary Mutable Grand Cross to his progressed Ascendant, Descendant, Midheaven and Uranus. Shortly afterward, transit Saturn conjoins his natal Ascendant on September 11th, of all dates. On that fateful day for Mr Bush, as the Reaper finally emerges from his 12th house, the Moon also reaches the degree of the Pluto station, Sagittarius 22.

Whether these degree symbols are showing the end for the president through a fatal manifestation of Tecumseh's Curse, or that he himself will authorize the launch of a surprise and sudden military strike against either Iran's or North Korea's nuclear facilities, I cannot say. However, it is clear that with transit Uranus opposing both his natal Mars and his progressed Sun, and all of these bodies being triggered by his progressed Moon, and with his progressed Mars having entered the degree of his natal Moon, Mr Bush is now operating with some fateful, violent and unpredictable forces within and around him.

In the heavens on August 26th, as his progressed First Quarter square perfects, there is also a tight Fixed T-Cross, comprised of Mercury opposing Neptune in the power degrees of 15 Leo-Aquarius, and both squared by Mars in the power degree of 15 Taurus. Something drastic appears to be about to happen, and one can only watch and wait.

Robert P. Blaschke, Astrologer

Posted by: Laurie on August 19, 2005 09:08 AM

Not astrology, but some fascinating stuff on this website. Whitley Strieber's Unknown Country.

http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/

Posted by: Laurie on August 19, 2005 09:32 AM

My dear Gemini friends.

judi gee... don't despair.

Jo.... stay cool.

I think Cindy Sheehan just had one of the most joyous experiences of her life. Way beyond expectations.
100,000 people just held up a candle in memory of her son and in support of her. That's pretty good.

Posted by: jm on August 19, 2005 10:15 AM

I think its that Neptune of hers. And the Leo, of course.
The shepherdess. In the desert. Who suddenly disappears and leaves an image of something decidedly spiritual. To tend to the sick. With sudden followers. Hmmmm...tres interesting. The show's gone on to another act.
I think Pluto's messin' with us as it's turning around in that religious spot.

Posted by: jm on August 19, 2005 10:27 AM

I got a tiny sense of autumn tonight.

Posted by: jm on August 19, 2005 11:32 AM

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/31440.htm

Authorities Swarm 77 Year Old Vet's Property Hours
After His Calling Bush A Liar On Radio Station

Posted by: Pat C on August 19, 2005 01:31 PM


Radiation Expert Claims High-Radiation Readings Near Pentagon After 9/11 Indicate Depleted Uranium Used; High-Ranking Army Officer Claims Missile Used at Pentagon, Not Commercial Airliner
Two high profile radiation experts concur Pentagon strike involved use of a missile. Also Geiger counter readings right after the attack shows high levels of radiation 12 miles away from Pentagon crash site.
August 18, 2005


By Greg Szymanski

A radiation expert and high-ranking Army Major, who once headed the military’s depleted uranium project, both contend the Pentagon was hit by missile, not a commercial jetliner, adding high radiation readings after the strike indicate depleted uranium also may have been used.

“I’m not an explosives or crash site expert, but I am highly knowledgeable in causes and effects related to nuclear radiation contamination. What happened at the Pentagon is highly suspicious, leading me to believe a missile with a depleted uranium warhead may have been used,” said radiation expert Leuren Moret in a telephone conversation this week from her Berkeley, CA home.

Moret, who has spent a life time working in the nuclear field, first as a staff scientist at the Livermore Nuclear Weapons Laboratory in California, is now a member of The Radiation and Public Health Project (RPHP), a privately funded group studying the devastating effects of depleted uranium especially in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Posted by: wv on August 19, 2005 02:01 PM

http://tinyurl.com/dsxzf

What They Did Last Fall

By PAUL KRUGMAN
By running for the U.S. Senate, Katherine Harris, Florida's former secretary of state, has stirred up some ugly memories. And that's a good thing, because those memories remain relevant. There was at least as much electoral malfeasance in 2004 as there was in 2000, even if it didn't change the outcome. And the next election may be worse.

In his recent book "Steal This Vote" - a very judicious work, despite its title - Andrew Gumbel, a U.S. correspondent for the British newspaper The Independent, provides the best overview I've seen of the 2000 Florida vote. And he documents the simple truth: "Al Gore won the 2000 presidential election."

Two different news media consortiums reviewed Florida's ballots; both found that a full manual recount would have given the election to Mr. Gore. This was true despite a host of efforts by state and local officials to suppress likely Gore votes, most notably Ms. Harris's "felon purge," which disenfranchised large numbers of valid voters.

But few Americans have heard these facts. Perhaps journalists have felt that it would be divisive to cast doubt on the Bush administration's legitimacy. If so, their tender concern for the nation's feelings has gone for naught: Cindy Sheehan's supporters are camped in Crawford, and America is more bitterly divided than ever.

Meanwhile, the whitewash of what happened in Florida in 2000 showed that election-tampering carries no penalty, and political operatives have acted accordingly. For example, in 2002 the Republican Party in New Hampshire hired a company to jam Democratic and union phone banks on Election Day.

And what about 2004?

More...

Posted by: Pat C on August 19, 2005 02:08 PM

wv, is this the link to that story?

http://www.lewisnews.com/article.asp?ID=106623

Posted by: Pat C on August 19, 2005 02:16 PM

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/aug2005/able-a19_prn.shtm

9/11 commission told of Atta cover-up

Intelligence officer goes public in Able Danger exposé

Posted by: Pat C on August 19, 2005 02:26 PM


Pat C - It was from Artic Beacon


Bush's Aid Cuts on Court Issue Roils Latin America

By JUAN FORERO
BOGOTÁ, Colombia, Aug. 18 - Three years ago the Bush administration began prodding countries to shield Americans from the fledgling International Criminal Court in The Hague, which was intended to be the first permanent tribunal for prosecuting crimes like genocide.

The United States has since cut aid to some two dozen nations that refused to sign immunity agreements that American officials say are intended to protect American soldiers and policy makers from politically motivated prosecutions.

To the Bush administration, the aid cuts are the price paid for refusing to offer support in an area where it views the United States, with its military might stretched across the globe, as being uniquely vulnerable.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/19/international/americas/19immunity.html

Posted by: wv on August 19, 2005 02:44 PM


That should be Arctic Beacon

Posted by: wv on August 19, 2005 02:45 PM

Pat C-
Re the Krugman article upthread, he does the US voter a great disservice by calling this author "judicious" in light of said author's dismissal of what happened in 2004.

That was most certainly NOT Democracy in action, it was a blatant, disrespectful, un-American, illegal, un-Constitutional power grab by a group of desperate and vicious felons who seek not to do the will of the American people, but to serve their Illuminiati masters(and be just plain ol' greedy and stupid).

I know it happened before(the Rutherford/Hayes debacle, with the same script having Fla. as the lynchpin)but that does NOT make it right, correct, or in the best interest of ANYONE(except the multinational corporato-fascists) because there's WAY more at stake now than ever before.

My prediction is that the whole "election" scam will get much worse before it gets better.....I know I personally feel outrage, but also helpless against a seemingly unstoppable juggernaut/political machine like we are witnessing now.

What can we do--boycott the elections?

Posted by: Garry on August 19, 2005 02:53 PM

Thank you wv. Great article!

Garry, I feel your pain. Unfortunately too many local political folks are ignoring the dangers and aquiring these machines in spite of objections from voters. I am beside myself.

Posted by: Pat C on August 19, 2005 03:00 PM

http://www.mydd.com/

The floodgates are opening. First, it was Democrat Russ Feingold. Now, it's Republican Chuck Hagel. Both Feingold and Hagel are expected to run for their parties' respective Presidential nominations in 2008. And both are now saying that the time is coming for the U.S. to withdraw from Iraq.

More....

Posted by: Pat C on August 19, 2005 03:04 PM

http://www.political.moveon.org/cindyvigils/pics.html?&id=5916-476185-xilwxXS6mXAt_iuDJFJLng&t=14

Photos of the vigils from Moveon.org

Posted by: Pat C on August 19, 2005 04:18 PM


Arianna Huffington

Why Are the Media Having Such a Hard Time Covering Cindy Sheehan?
As Gary Hart points out there is indeed a rich history of protest in America. From our Founding Fathers to abolitionists to suffragettes to labor strikers to civil rights marchers, protesters have repeatedly challenged the status quo and changed...

READ POST

Posted by: wv on August 19, 2005 05:23 PM


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

Posted by: wv on August 19, 2005 05:26 PM


This will give you something to talk about at a
boring dinner party...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ellen-ladowsky/pedophilia-and-star-trek_b_5857.html

Pedophilia and Star Trek (5 comments )
The LA Times recently ran a story about the Child Exploitation Section of the Toronto Sex Crimes Unit, which contained a mind-boggling statistic: of the more than 100 offenders the unit has arrested over the last four years, "all but one" has been "a hard-core Trekkie." Blogger Ernest Miller thought this claim was improbable. "I could go to a science fiction convention," he explained "and be less likely to find that 99+ percent of the attendees were hard-core Trekkies." While there may be quibbling about the exact numbers, the Toronto detectives claim that the connection is undeniable.

Posted by: wv on August 19, 2005 05:51 PM

well, those "drills" in SC have not yet occurred, but here's an update :
http://www.total411.info/

it's the first article there.....

Posted by: Garry on August 19, 2005 06:03 PM

From Laurie's post upthread:

~snip~

"... However, it is clear that with transit Uranus opposing both his natal Mars and his progressed Sun, and all of these bodies being triggered by his progressed Moon, and with his progressed Mars having entered the degree of his natal Moon, Mr Bush is now operating with some fateful, violent and unpredictable forces within and around him.

In the heavens on August 26th, as his progressed First Quarter square perfects, there is also a tight Fixed T-Cross, comprised of Mercury opposing Neptune in the power degrees of 15 Leo-Aquarius, and both squared by Mars in the power degree of 15 Taurus. Something drastic appears to be about to happen, and one can only watch and wait."

Robert P. Blaschke, Astrologer


Posted by: Jo on August 19, 2005 06:17 PM

To follow-up on Jo's post about Aug 26th and the transits to Dear Leader's natals, look at this:
http://www.vermontguardian.com/dailies/0904/0819.shtml

Could someone pls check out the prospects for Iran and/or Venezuela in a couple of weeks? Brrrrrr.

Posted by: shylurker on August 19, 2005 06:31 PM

On Pat C's article by Paul Krugman: "... Perhaps journalists have felt that it wld be divisive to cast doubt on [rez regime]'s legitimacy. ..."

Like that has anything to do with anything except show the criminality of the media. It really annoys me that the otherwise good Krugman messes up his article with red herrings & nonsense & meaningless distractions. Of course, it happens all the time thruout media... just really annoying that's all & I'm extra crabby this morning. ;O)

Posted by: JoannaOregon on August 19, 2005 07:49 PM

Wow, Krugman rules. E gads, I've been predicting election fraud as an issue (a few hours earlier today) but Krugman, The Times...

See this to see how the "cover up" of the stolen election was accomplished and the reasons to believe we've got the wrong person in the White House.

And share the link--it's alwas available by clicking on "mike" at the bottom of my messages.
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http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0507/S00238.htm

The Unanswered Question: Who Really Won In 2004?

Monday, 18 July 2005, 2:53 pm

won a stunning victory that defied all odds, particularly those applied by unbiased statisticians. He won despite trailing in most state and national polls. He won despite an approval rating of less than 50%, usually the death knell for an incumbent presidential candidate. He won despite trailing in the three National Exit Polls three timelines from 4pm to 12:22 am (13047 respondents) by a steady 48%-51%, miraculously winning the final exit poll (with only 613 additional respondents, totaling 13,660). This poll was “weighted” (altered) to meet the reported election result on the assumption that the reported result was accurate -- quite an assumption. The final poll showed a stunning reversal of the Kerry 51%-48% poll margin, which had been measured consistently all day by the same polling group: major news/networks and polling firm Edison-Mitofsky.

(snip)

After the polls closed, data from the Edison Mitofsky NEP survey (sponsored by the major television networks and CNN) was unintentionally released over the Internet. This was internal network data, embargoed from public use, data with statements like “Estimates not for on-air use” and “This page cannot be displayed.” The networks had locked down this data for their own use in an “electronic cover-up” that was offensive to those who knew the story. Luckily for all of us, Jonathan Simon downloaded the exit poll data and saved the CNN screen shots! The Edison-Mitofsky (EM)-Corporate Media (CM) “embargoed data” was available for anyone with eyes to see it and a mind to review it.

(snip)

At 12:22 am on November 3, the national exit poll of 13,047 respondents showed Kerry to be the winner by 51% to 48%, matching TIA’s pre-election projection. The poll was “un-weighted,” meaning the EM and CM had yet to apply weighting “adjustments”: percentages and weights applied to all the demographic categories to match the poll results to the reported vote count! Imagine if this technique had been applied by exit pollsters in the first Ukrainian election to show victory for the incumbent, who had committed gross election fraud. Yet this odd technique of turning a poll into a ratification of the actual voting results was applied in the American election. The final exit poll, with 13,660 respondents, showed a stunning reversal of fortune for Bush. The poll results were “re-weighted” to create a Bush “victory margin.”

The odds against the deviations from the state and national exit polls to the final vote count are astronomical. In addition, there is the consistency of the “pristine” exit poll timeline from 4 pm (8349 respondents) to 7:30 pm (11,027) to 12:22 am (13,047).

Posted by: mike on August 19, 2005 07:50 PM

Robert P Blaschke, astrologer, was real pro-bushaholic for quite a while... so much so that I gave up reading his "stuff." Guess he's finally coming around to something approximating the truth lately.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on August 19, 2005 07:53 PM

Guess what today is? MadmanInTheMarketplace at Liberal Street Fighter reminds us:

Eighty five years ago today, the Nineteenth Amendment was ratified, stating in straightforward blunt language:

The right of the citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. That one simple sentence was finally adopted one hundred forty four years after Abigail Adams wrote to her husband:

I long to hear that you have declared an independency --- and, by the way, in the new code of laws, which I suppose it will be necessary for you to make, I desire you would remember the ladies, and be more generous and favorable to them than [were] your ancestors.

We should remember today that it took a century and a half to welcome half of our population as fellow citizens, with full voting rights, and be thankful that we finally did so. We are enriched when we welcome more, not fewer, voices to the public square. We should remember today the sacrifices and struggles that suffragists went through to fully enfrancise women's right to vote.

More at link http://tinyurl.com/87cjs

Posted by: Jo on August 19, 2005 09:21 PM

My home state of South Carolina did not ratify the Nineteenth Amendment to the Constitution until 1969... and only then because a woman, a suffragette in the early years and until her death, pushed an all-male legislature to do so. Eulalie Chafee Salley was 85 and had been campaigning for women for fifty years. She addressed the General Assembly on a warm day in June: "I've been waiting for 50 years to tell you boys what I think of you," a silver-haired matron said with a twinkle in her eye, and she did.

Mrs. Salley was a wonderful woman. When I ran for office in our county, she called me and said that if I wanted to, I could place a sign in her front yard. Well, her "yard" fronted on the main drag into the City, with her house set off a good distance. So there was my billboard size sign, set down in her 'yard'...

After I was elected she hosted a party for me and when my husband and I arrived, she turned to him and said "Get the Commissioner a chair" which he did. She said to me, "I have always wanted to say that."

It is a sad thing, but most women today have no idea that women have been voting for less than 100 years. They take for granted also enrollment in universities and positions in the marketplace.

How soon we forget the sufferings and hard won efforts of those upon whose shoulders we stand.

We are about to lose Roe v. Wade and our right to privacy. And much more. Unless we stand with Cindy, and those other Moms who are willing to stand. Namaste

Posted by: Jo on August 19, 2005 09:32 PM


Judge Dread

John Roberts and Enemy Combatants
By CHRIS FLOYD

The United States long ago ceased to be anything like a living, thriving republic. But it retained the legal form of a republic, and that counted for something: as long as the legal form still existed, even as a gutted shell, there was hope it might be filled again one day with substance.

But now the very legal structures of the Republic are being dismantled. The principle of arbitrary rule by an autocratic leader is being openly established, through a series of unchallenged executive orders, perverse Justice Department rulings and court decisions by sycophantic judges who defer to power - not law - in their determinations. What we are witnessing is the creation of a "Commander-in-Chief State," where the form and pressure of law no longer apply to the president and his designated agents. The rights of individuals are no longer inalienable, nor are their persons inviolable; all depends on the good will of the Commander, the military autocrat.

http://counterpunch.org/floyd07202005.html

Posted by: wv on August 19, 2005 09:53 PM

Interesting piece, dear Jo...

"85 yrs ago today, the 19th Amendment was ratified, stating in straightforward blunt language: 'The right of the citizens of the US to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the US or by any State on acct of sex.' That one simple sentence was finally adopted 144 yrs after Abigail Adams wrote to her husband: ..."

"We shld remember today that it took a century & a half to welcome half of our population as fellow citizens, with full voting rights, & be thankful that we finally did so. ..."

I, for one, am NOT "thankful" whatsoever to see my sisters, & fellow human-becoming brothers, begging/pleading with a "white" supremacist oppressor to GIVE us rights to vote after 144 yrs or any other freakin' years, or rights over our own freakin' crotches!!

These are OUR INHERENT rights that it has been kept from us by VIOLENCE. Women are 52 PLUS percentage of the population which puts males at 48 MINUS percent of the population. what's more, "white" males are ONLY 39+ percent of the population while all them "others" (incl women) are 60% of the population (at 20-yr ago census--it'll be LESS today). WHO, exactly, is the minority & the majority?!?

Then, after years of painful cajoling thruout everlasting domestic--home & national--violence (pls, pls, pls... pretty pls... oh, pls plantation massa... ken I have muh rights? ...pleeeeezeeeee), about which we're told to be "thankful," ANOTHER--& no one is surprised--micro bratty "white" supremacist jackass EDICTS them away in a few months?!? We shall see...

Posted by: JoannaOregon on August 19, 2005 11:03 PM

While I'm at it, sending "White Light" to soothe anybody doesn't work. Reminds me of the words of Marx... yes, Marx... who said the incredibly suffering people are left with only a god to whom they pray for deliverance. Useless... utterly useless... check out his-story. I'm so tired of "useless."

Posted by: JoannaOregon on August 19, 2005 11:09 PM


America Programmed for War: Cause and Solution

“What one generation perceives as repression, the next accepts as a necessary part of a complex daily life.”

By Brian Bogart

08/18/05 "ICH" -- -- Cold War warriors and their policies have been hijacked for today’s permanent war on terror. This story contains within it the cause and solution: the weakest point in United States foreign policy, and a legal basis for the strongest push toward a peaceful change of priorities by the most dedicated people in America—you.

In the counsels of Government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the Military Industrial Complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes.

—President Dwight Eisenhower, upon leaving office; January 1961

1) The Long War: From NSC-68 to 2005

As the University of Oregon’s first graduate student in the transdisciplinary field of Peace Studies, it is my responsibility to explore the role of the military in society and those conditions that most promote peace and human welfare. Unfortunately, this task puts me in direct conflict with school administrators, including President Dave Frohnmayer, whose signature appears on my Bachelor’s degree.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9831.htm

Posted by: wv on August 19, 2005 11:11 PM


See where we stand ecologicly

http://www.theglobaleducationproject.org/index.shtml

Posted by: wv on August 19, 2005 11:20 PM

Here massa, suh... you ken kill my children, take all muh "stuff," take muh body, humiliate me, torture me, sodomize me, tell me I'm a no-count worm & sinful piece of vermin, make me pay for it out of muh toils... but pls, pls, pls lemme stay "alive" in peace to worship you... pleeeeeezzzzeeeeeeeeee!!!!

Posted by: JoannaOregon on August 19, 2005 11:42 PM


Mike

Published on Saturday, August 13,2005 by CommonDreams.org
Election Fraud Continues in the US
New Data Shows Widespread Vote Manipulations in 2004
By Peter Phillips

In the fall of 2001, after an eight-month review of 175,000 Florida ballots never counted in the 2000 election, an analysis by the National Opinion Research Center confirmed that Al Gore actually won Florida and should have been President. However, coverage of this report was only a small blip in the corporate media as a much bigger story dominated the news after September 11, 2001.

New research compiled by Dr. Dennis Loo with the University of Cal Poly Pomona now shows that extensive manipulation of non-paper-trail voting machines occurred in several states during the 2004 election.

The facts are as follows:

http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi?file=/views05/0813-29.htm

Posted by: wv on August 19, 2005 11:50 PM


Published on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 by the Niagara Falls Reporter
Bush a Coward
Editorial

The President of the United States, who lacked the courage to serve his country during the Vietnam War, has once again shown his cowardice. Scores of brave American soldiers have given their lives since he went on vacation a couple of weeks ago. And yet, when the mother of one of our war dead -- Cindy Sheehan, whose son Casey was killed awhile back in Sadr City -- showed up at his Texas ranch asking to speak to him, he didn't even have the cojones to ask her in for a cup of coffee.
Instead, he had Karl Rove contact the Drudge Report and other sleazy news outlets across the land with a couple of comments Mrs. Sheehan made to her hometown paper in Vacaville, Calif., shortly after her son's death. Taken out of context, the quotes make her look like she spoke in favor of Bush and his dirty little war. On reading the full interview, however, it is clear that, from the beginning, she thought her son had died for nothing and was -- as we all might in such a situation -- just trying to be polite to the president.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0816-27.htm

Posted by: wv on August 19, 2005 11:53 PM

WASHINGTON -- Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., saw a doctor after feeling light-headed Tuesday and learned he'd suffered a mild stroke, aides said Friday.

"Senator Reid feels fine. There are no complications or any restrictions on his activities. He has undergone evaluations this week, and his doctors have recommended that he take advantage of the summer congressional recess for some down time," said a statement issued by Reid's press secretary, Tessa Hafen.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

Posted by: Jo on August 20, 2005 01:01 AM

Three strokes this week: Coretta Scott King, Cindy Sheehan's mother, and now Reid.

If true, the following could be my fear of a repeat (only much worse) of the retreat from Saigon:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9013227/

Posted by: shylurker on August 20, 2005 01:17 AM

She's good, she's very very good:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9008721/site/newsweek

Posted by: shylurker on August 20, 2005 01:24 AM

Yes, she is, Shylurker. Interesting to me that she used the words end of the summer solstice...or something like that. hmmmm.

Posted by: Beasley on August 20, 2005 02:48 AM

Shy, Beasley

Eleanor Clift: experience as White House correspondent and congressional and political correspondent has made Clift a regular panelist on the nationally syndicated talk show, The McLaughlin Group.

She is a democrat, and for years has held her own against these screaming idiots. I used to watch her with my Dad when he was living in Charleston and I would visit (we don't have cable!)... but I don't watch tv at all now... had to google to make sure she's still with McLaughlin Group...!

There's more of her bio here: http://www.leadingauthorities.com/7601/Eleanor_Clift.htm

Posted by: Jo on August 20, 2005 03:32 AM

OK, who was it who said Harry Reid would have some problems in the summer, set backs. He had a "minor stroke"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/19/AR2005081901457.html

Come forward and take credit!

Posted by: mike on August 20, 2005 03:42 AM

The link for Reid's stroke:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/19/AR2005081901457.html

Posted by: mike on August 20, 2005 03:43 AM

From report issued by his office and latest news accounts, it seems Sen Reid did not suffer a stroke... he had a TIA... transient ischemic attack.

A completed stroke is caused by irreversible brain injury secondary to the interruption of blood flow. In contrast, a transient ischemic attack (TIA) is a temporary focal neurologic deficit caused by the brief interruption of local cerebral blood flow. The prevalence of TIAs ranges from 1.6 to 4.1 percent, depending on gender and age. Stroke occurs in one third of patients who have a TIA. The diagnosis of a TIA indicates that no irreversible neurologic injury has occurred and provides an excellent opportunity to prevent permanent damage.

It used to be treated as a benign event, sort of a warning that a stroke might occur... it is now treated aggressively... blood thinner, either aspirin or coumidin, depending on other health problems, and a statin - to lower cholesterol.

It is extremely fortunate that he sought medical attention.

Posted by: Jo on August 20, 2005 04:05 AM

I didn't see your post Mike! Good to 'see' you. We miss you 'round here. Good post last night... how is Guido?

Posted by: Jo on August 20, 2005 04:08 AM

During the Fundie Shiavo Stunt in Clearwater, Eleanor Clift's husband died. She wrote an article about his death that is a shining example of dignity and love, a wonderful tribute to him (which also provided clear insight into her soul). I'm sure you can get to it through her archives, if you're interested. I was most moved by it.

Posted by: shylurker on August 20, 2005 04:37 AM

Jo, Thanks for both of your posts: Reid and Clift.
I'm off to bed relatively early. I have just experienced the point of my second Saturn Return @ 4 Leo. My reintroduction to this event was the extraction of three back teeth...to be replaced...Still a little sore. Stitches are supposed to dissolve. Am on Bufferin. Won't take the heavy stuff. I think Saturn is better described as Chronos. Certainly by the time one gets to ones 2nd Return, one is aware of the Chronos aspects of Saturn. And being very heavily Aquarius, Leo, Aquarius, Leo I will be doing the Saturn conjunct the Moon/Pluto in Leo opposing my Mars/Sun very soon. Nasty little chart.

Bon nuit.

Posted by: Beasley on August 20, 2005 04:39 AM

Chronos (time) devoured his children. Maybe Timothy will enlighten us more on that.

Posted by: shylurker on August 20, 2005 04:42 AM

((((Beasley)))) hope you sleep well...

Posted by: Jo on August 20, 2005 04:49 AM

wv, that's a great link to common dreams. wow, we finaly figured it out! just in time for the apocolypse.

hi, jo, missed being here. guido is in rehab in south africa. he's the person who got dave chapelle down there. he's been a little difficult but they're going to keep him for the full 90 days. it's a wilderness program, but he didn't think they meant a real wilderness.

he'll return shortly, or shorter, in either case, he'll be back.

;)

Posted by: mike on August 20, 2005 07:42 AM

* Inside Bohemian Grove - US Elites Celebrate Patriarchy, Racism & Class Privilege

San Francisco Bohemian Club members/guests from around the world recently completed 2 wks of celebration, self-entertainment & partying at their private 2,700 A redwood retreat on the Russian River in Sonoma CO, CA. Described as the "Greatest Men's Party on Earth," the members of the Club & internatl elites have been gathering therefor over 100 yrs. ... con't

http://www.prisonplanet.com/inside_bohemian_grove_us_elites_celebrate.html

Posted by: JoannaOregon on August 20, 2005 08:16 AM

Depends on what your definition of "elite" is!
((((((((((((JoannaO)))))))))))))))))
Maybe white light is "useless", for changing the course of events? I'm not rendering a judgement....................
but W L & hugs, certainly DO have an impact coming through cyberspace here. They have certainly made me feel better these last few months.
(((((((((((((((tpo your friends who are ill))))))))))))))
Mike, delightful posts!
((((((((((((((Astroworlders))))))))))))))
PQ

Posted by: Pat QOP on August 20, 2005 11:51 AM

Wonderful posts and thanks a million for Eleanor Clift..

I am sending it to all my groups....

Jo we shall have a good end of year, you will see..

hugs to everyone,
namaste

Posted by: Flo C. on August 21, 2005 12:00 AM

bhakti, for the life of me, couldn't find the asteroids at astrodientist....any url available? I even have an account and couldn't find it...

Posted by: judi g on August 21, 2005 01:54 AM

From article in CounterPunch:

Nor did the unrefined wielder of power pause to interpret King Henry V's words about the nature of war before his battle of Agincourt. "I am afear'd there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they charitably dispose of any thing when blood is their argument?" Henry and Bush, both fun-loving princes, who hung out with low-lifes in their youth, fell into their positions as heads of state.

But unlike Bush, Shakespeare's Henry fought alongside his men and respected his enemy. In contrast, after the successful invasion of Iraq, when the resistance to US occupation began, Bush taunted those his army had vanquished. "Bring 'em on," was his response to the growing US body count at a July 2 White House press conference, as if he were John Wayne starring as a US Marshall in Baghdad, Wyoming.

Like the Shakespearean King, Bush assigns blame for the war on others. Henry sends French King Charles a message: "Deliver up the crown, and...take mercy / On the poor souls for whom this hungry war / Opens his vasty jaws; and on your head / Turns he the widows' tears, the orphans' cries" (2.4.103-106). As if Charles somehow forced him into aggression!

Bush and King Henry

Similar Birds, Different Feathers
http://www.counterpunch.org/landau08092003.html

Posted by: judi g on August 21, 2005 02:05 AM

Hey...did you know about this? shiver....
http://www.counterpunch.org/plummer08042003.html

. The Subcommittee recommends that the Postal Service, in coordination with the Department of Homeland Security, explore the use of sender identification for every piece of mail, commercial and retail.

Posted by: judi g on August 21, 2005 02:09 AM

Judi, Are Ceres, Juno, Pallas, Vesta, Lilleth, etc. the asteroids? If so, go to free horoscopes, extended chart selection and you'll find the list of asteroids in a box on the page where it will tell you how to select them.

Posted by: Sharon on August 21, 2005 04:25 AM

Cindy's statement on CommonDreams..

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0820-30.htm


Contrary to what the mainstream media thinks, I did not just fall off a pumpkin truck in Crawford, TX. on that scorchingly hot day two weeks ago. I have been writing, speaking, testifying in front of Congressional committees, lobbying Congress, and doing interviews for over a year now. I have been pretty well known in the progressive, peace community and I had many, many supporters before I left even left California. The people who supported me did so because they know that I uncompromisingly tell the truth about this war. I have stood up and said: 'My son died for NOTHING, and George Bush and his evil cabal and their reckless policies killed him. My son was sent to fight in a war that had no basis in reality and was killed for it.' I have never said 'pretty please' or 'thank you.' I have never said anything wishy-washy like he uses 'Patriotic Rhetoric.' I say my son died for LIES. George Bush LIED to us and he knew he was LYING. The Downing Street Memos dated 23 July, 2002 prove that he knew that Saddam didn't have WMD's or any ties to Al Qaeda. I believe that George lied and he knew he was lying. He didn't use patriotic rhetoric. He lied and made us afraid of ghosts that weren't there. Now he is using patriotic rhetoric to keep the U.S. military presence in Iraq: Patriotic rhetoric that is based on greed and nothing else.

Posted by: Flo C. on August 21, 2005 05:44 AM

Sally,

I love your articles. You are an awesome astrologer . I turn to your site first above all others. It's fascinating.

Someone I know wrote this and I wondered what y ou or anyone else thought regarding Mars square Neptune as being a possible earthquake.. also another one on birds.

"I'm noticing NO birds and the caterpillars (wooly type that are brown/black) are all black this year, 99% of the time and they are out NOW--they are 4 weeks early. Black shows us how long or severe winter will be. The brown on the catepillar, the milder this winter. They are pure black. This portends an EARLY, long, hard winter.

I also think birds are ALREADY migrating--4 weeks early

so, something is up....

Did the 1 degree shift of the earth with that Indonesian earthquake HASTEN all of this? Or, chaotic weather patterns at work?

three different people reported the following

no birds, no crickets today...

I noticed how very quiet and still it was in the couple of hours before
sunset.

They live in San Jose and around San Francisco area and all 3 have said the SAME thing--unbeknownst to one another

So you know Mars squares Neptune next week and over the next weekend? Mars is a trigger for quakes and Neptune is weakness--in the fault A possible earthquake"?

Thanks Sally... from another Sally .

Posted by: Sally on August 22, 2005 12:16 AM

Just received these posts from John Hammell at
http://www.iahf.com..asking that they be shared..far and wide.
Sally


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/07/AR2005080700843_pf.html

Four Star General Fired For Organizing Coup Against Neo-Cons?
http://www.infowars.com/articles/terror/nuclear_terror.htm

Posted by: Sally on August 22, 2005 01:28 AM

To-day's message from Cindy..

Coming Back to Crawford


by Cindy Sheehan

 

I'm coming back to Crawford for my son. As long as the president, who sent him to die in a senseless war, is in Crawford, that is where I belong. I came here two and a half weeks ago for one reason, to try and see the president and get an answer to a very simple question: What is the noble cause that he says my son died for?

The answer to that question will not bring my son back. But it may stop more meaningless deaths. Because every death is now a meaningless one. And the vast majority of our country knows this. So why do more young men and women have to die? And why do more parents have to lose their children and live the rest of their lives with this unbearable grief?

The presidency is not bigger than the people's will.

And when the people speak out, it's the president's reponsibility to listen. He is there to serve us, not the other way around.

This isn't about politics. It's about what is good for America and what's best for our security and how far this president has taken us away from both.

I'm coming back to Crawford because -- now and forever -- this is my duty for my son, for my other children, for other parents, and for my country.

Posted by: flo c. on August 24, 2005 05:26 PM
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