"And Cindy Sheehan sat down"

I am very, very moved and absolutely speechless (rare for me). The beauty and majesty of simplicity; direct and unfiltered from the heart. Thank you for such an inspirational post!

Sally, Darn It!!

You're not REALLY gonna blot us out.

remove us.

deblog us.

delete us.

Take away our words?

Please tell me it's not true!

Bravo Sally,
We encounter enough dissent out in the world.....................
We have lost several valuable contributers to disagreement here.
And does anyone know what happened to Corleonis? of Fla.? She had a lot of wisdom to share.
I tried to post this last night, but kept falling asleep!
Link to the Lone Star Iconoclast online. ,( didn't they endorse Kerry last year?)
http://198.65.14.85/News/2005/31-40/32news15.htm

BTW, Eric has finished his radiation treatments, is in a nursing home, and gallivanting, around Bangor with his sister her husband the kids and the dog! They drove to Bar Harbor, yesterday & up Cadillac Mt. in Acadia Nat Park.
His ex-wife & son arrive tomorrow; & his ex sister-in-law, wants to try to get him into an experimental treatment center!
They could rally the funding from some of their wealthy clients! Hope it happens!!!!!
PQ

Posted by Leni on Salon:

"Cindy Sheehan calls Randi Rhodes AAR every day. She asked Cindy about the heat and cindy said simply that it was hotter where her son was.

William Rivers Pitt must have already been there several times. He, too, talked to Randi. He said the first time you could see where the line of people ended. Today you can't.

Randy also spoke with Mary Ann Wright who told Randy they need buses from the airport. Randy was on the case right away AND ordered 200 SUBWAYS, or whatever local place would make sandwiches."

Pat QOP, anything is possible when enough love is applied. Isn't that wonderful?

Nancy's Blog http://www.starlightnews.com/

http://tinyurl.com/9jtvq
Four Amendments & a Funeral
A month inside the house of horrors that is Congress
By MATT TAIBBI

It was a fairy-tale political season for George W. Bush, and it seemed like no one in the world noticed. Amid bombs in London, bloodshed in Iraq, a missing blonde in Aruba and a scandal curling up on the doorstep of Karl Rove, Bush's Republican Party quietly celebrated a massacre on Capitol Hill. Two of the most long-awaited legislative wet dreams of the Washington Insiders Club -- an energy bill and a much-delayed highway bill -- breezed into law. One mildly nervous evening was all it took to pass through the House the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA), for years now a primary strategic focus of the battle-in-Seattle activist scene. And accompanied by scarcely a whimper from the Democratic opposition, a second version of the notorious USA Patriot Act passed triumphantly through both houses of Congress, with most of the law being made permanent this time.

Bush's summer bills were extraordinary pieces of legislation, broad in scope, transparently brazen and audaciously indulgent.

More...

Sally,

So much to thank you for, I don't know where to begin...

First of all for making the connection between two wonderful women who made us pay attention when they 'sat down'... the common aspects are remarkable. What a find... only you would think to look. Only you would think to remind us of all the women who have sat down and how, because they are the nucleus of their own families they have so much influence over the world beyond theirs.

Your words are energizing and remind me that there have been many times when one person has made a profound difference. Yes, you're spot-on, the world is focused on Cindy now.

Thank you for reminding all of us that we may come to this site and discuss the issues but not abuse each other.

And thank you for this site... it is rare among many online... because we do get to know each other, all the pains and joys we experience. We give each other support, much needed in this troubled world. I appreciate it so much... it is truly a treasure, filled with gems.

Peace and light

(((((Pat QofP)))))

Such wonderful news of Eric! The love of family members is so supportive and healing... and Eric is feeling energized! Good news. Sending white light to him and to you.

Anybody scared? No? Me neither. I guess that's why they trotted this out:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/12/national/nationalspecial3/12terrorr.html?ex=1124424000&en=95fd64e631a8b466&ei=5070&emc=eta1

August 12, 2005

The Times
My sadness at the privatisation of Iraq

Michael Meacher
The US transnational companies are taking over — and they'll benefit for years to come

IF DEMOCRACY is the goal of American policy in Iraq, as President Bush repeatedly says it is — not eliminating WMD, not controlling Middle East oil, not removing a dictator guilty of genocide — then with the Sunni walkout from government and Kurdish intransigence over federalism and Kirkuk, that policy is nearing breakdown. But democracy was always only an after-thought, and anyway never really on offer in the first place.
Before the US proconsul Paul Bremer left Baghdad, he enacted 100 orders as chief of the occupation authority in Iraq. Perhaps the most infamous was Order 39 which decreed that 200 Iraqi state companies would be privatised, that foreign companies could have complete control of Iraqi banks, factories and mines, and that these companies could transfer all of their profits out of Iraq. The “reconstruction” of the country amounts in effect to wholesale privatisation of the economy and is little short of economic colonisation.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1072-1731547,00.html

The article I just linked from The Times is very informative... it will make you angry... have your coffee before reading.

Wouldn't it be nice to have a big face to face for all Astrowolders in Crawford?

Looks like someone is trying to hack you again Sally...

Sally, the song which was at the end of the last thread should be reposted to go with your piece starting this thread, don't you think? And since I didn't notice the poster when I read it, I will just as whomever did post it to repost....it goes perfectly.

I think it is quite clear to most of us now that the world we live in and the world the dominators or wouldbe dominators of the world live in are different in every way in terms of power, wealth, testosterone and chutzpah. The overlap is when our world becomes more than just the innocent and/or complacent consumer world and then morphs into the cannon fodder source to fuel their ambitions.

They get this far because most of us trust the rest of our people to run things fairly. HUH....right. It works sometimes....for some amount of time....but the planets always bring the power lesson into focus sooner or later.

Looks like it is 'later' for us....but crisis is a great purifier. Salutes to the ladies who went to prison so that we could vote....(The Iron Angels) and to the others before and after them, incuding Rosa Parks and Cindy Sheehan.

I went to school with a student photographer named Vernon Merril III, he was a very shy, small man. He took the pictures of Rosa on the bus (as a stringer for Life, I think) and was beaten and hosed very badly by the authorities. He committed suicide in 1998.

Dear Sally

Inspiring! In honoring women who rise above the din and fog that robs us of heart and wisdom, you remind us of the challenge we all face. We too, have moments everyday when the choice is to act compassionately and bravely, or succomb to our fears and prejudice. Whether we are a man or a women, each of us has a responsibility to our selves and the human community to make this choice wisely. Actions and words have consequence. Ultimately humankind, all of us together, will climb to greater heights, or be held back. Cindy Sheehan reminds of us-one person makes a difference. Her heart strikes our hearts.Those of us that resonnate with her call are emboldened, those that hear her call out of fear, cringe at the power of her authenticity.

That is supposed to be Vernon Merritt III.....and it was Time, not Life...
TIME Magazine Archive Article -- Trouble in Notasulga -- Feb. 14, 1964

Trouble in Notasulga

Friday, Feb. 14, 1964

Whenever race trouble erupts in the South, newsmen are about as welcome as segregated schools. Tempers can flare at the mere presence of reporters, who are there to record an example of Southern inhospitality. Last week in the little Alabama farm town of Notasulga, local hostility turned into violence—with an ironic twist. The victim was a Southern er: Vernon Merritt III, 23, a freelance photographer from Birmingham. His attackers were officers of the law.What earned Merritt his beating in Notasulga might in another locale have come under the heading of journalistic enterprise. He simply slipped...
http://www.time.com/time/archive/printout/0,23657,870751,00.html (Time requires $$$ to read the rest, unfortunately)

So we must remember to salute those who risk their lives and careers to report what people don't want reported....

There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part; you can't even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!
--Mario Savio, Berkeley, December 1964

Yep, just sit and stop the crusher from working!

shylurker, Bravo for posting Mario Savio....would that he were still with us.

A Nation Rocked to Sleep

By Carly Sheehan

Sister of Casey KIA 04/04/04

Sadr City, Baghdad

Have you ever heard the sound of a mother screaming for her son?

The torrential rains of a mother's weeping will never be done.

They call him a hero, you should be glad that he's one, but Have you ever heard the sound of a mother screaming for her son?

Have you ever heard the sound of a father holding back his cries?

He must be brave because his boy died for another man's lies

The only grief he allows himself are long, deep sighs

Have you ever heard the sound of a father holding back his cries?

Have you ever heard the sound of taps

played at your brother's grave?

They say that he died so that the flag will continue to wave

But I believe he died because they had oil to save

Have you ever heard the sound of taps played at your brother's grave?

Have you ever heard the sound of a nation being rocked to sleep?

The leaders want to keep you numb so the pain won't be so deep

But if we the people let them continue another mother will weep

Garry, OMG you don't think the terrorists would actually rain on Rumsfield 9/11 parade do you, and after all their work to organize. Or maybe Rummy is deciding that "event planning" is more difficult than he thought and is trying to cancel by trying to scare. Or it could be just a water balloon to see if it still floats. I know it's been listed before but who owns the NY Times?

Yup jm, I will delete posts that become malicious toward another poster. Actually I've had to do it other times and just wanted to put up a reminder.

Be still my beating heart! Say it isn't so... not in a red state like Georgia! Ahhh, yes... Moms are the same --- red states, blue states --- as Karl is about to discover...

Atlanta Antiwar Action in Solidarity With Cindy Sheehan
Report by Debbie Clark

Atlanta war mothers and antiwar activists held a press conference and protest in front of the Atlanta Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Decatur, Georgia today in a show of solidarity with Cindy Sheehan, currently camped outside of George Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas. The event was organized by the Georgia Peace and Justice Coalition/Atlanta; Military Families Speak Out; Veterans For Peace Chapter 125; Gold Star Families For Peace, Atlanta WAND, and the Atlanta International Action Center.

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/index.php?id=P2281

Oh wow, the Atlanta article brought tears to my eyes. I hope that happens all across the country, in fact I would love it if it were all across the world. I know Palestinan and Israeli mothers are sick of it. I read an article the other day about some Irish Mothers supporting Cindy. I truly want this to build.

http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050811/NEWS/508110430
9/11 widows want investigation reopened

Four Central Jersey women who pushed for an investigation into the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks are joining a chorus of doubters questioning the accuracy of the commissions final report, following the revelation that a crucial piece of information may be missing from its pages.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO408B.html
More Holes in the Official Story:
The 9/11 Cell Phone Calls

http://mediamatters.org/items/200508110001
Limbaugh falsely blamed Clinton administration for "wall" that purportedly prevented intelligence sharing about 9-11 hijackers

Marjorie Cohn: The Murder of Casey Sheehan
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/081205Z.shtml

from my writer friend .... I sent her some of the Sheehan links from here (and trust me, she has been saying all of this for many many years...her late husband was a psych doc in the army who trained green berets for Vietnam...he committed suicide later):

Soldiers, in an all volunteer army, fall into the category of gladiators: We who are about to die salute you. Further, we don't like to think that any of our soldiers have been treated as cannon fodder and have died for stupid reasons, but as Barbara Tuchman made clear in her classic work, 'The March of Folly," that's too often the case. Our young die for all sorts of phony, venal, stupid reasons. But since that's too hard to deal with, we phony it all up with bands, balloons, flags and the designation "hero" to hide the savage truth.

Cindy and slowly a lot of other people are finally figuring out this "savage truth:" their children died in a ginned up NeoCon war that was more about making the world safe for Coca-Cola than democracy, a war that had little to do with 9/11 and everything to do with the PNAC plan. And expecting to get rational explanations and genuine sympathy from Bush is like expecting to get orange juice from a tomato.

True Sally, SO true--maybe Rummy floated that absurd 9/11/fest idea and dug up a 'tera' attack to cancel it after EVERYONE trounced him for suggesting it in the first place!!!

And ladies, I'm certainly glad to be here during this time of the reclamation of your power. I truly believe that women can do anything.

As I've said for years, the women are really in charge of the world, they just like to let us men THINK we are......and now that the moms have had enough of our childish behavior, we're going to get PUNISHED!!! ;-D

Be still my aging heart! Viggo Mortensen visited with Cindy Sheehan at Crawford!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4319106&mesg_id=4319106

Where in Hell is Hillary?

Norman Lear

An American Mother Loses Her Son
An American mother loses her son in a war, travels to Crawford, Texas to park herself in proximity to her President and dead son’s Commander In Chief, seeking the opportunity to meet with him and share her feelings. What is the worst that can happen to him? He has the Secret Service and the FBI and local cops up the wazoo to be certain she’s “clean.” And if she came at him with no weapon, woman-a-mano, the man’s been tilling the soil, sawing logs, working out -- what’s one undernourished, grieving mother going to do to him?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/featuredposts.html#a005491

Ohh Shy,

Thanks for bringing the news from DU... you surely know where to find the good news and wonderful comments there...

Sally, brilliant. Mother's against the madness of King George finally demand answers.

What else the Neocons are up to besides calling Cindy names.
http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=17625

WV,

Barb should have worried less about her 'beautiful mind' and taught her son some manners. but then she and Poppy did go play a round of golf when Dubya was six and lost his baby sister. Death? What's that? Watch this drive!

http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?columnsName=miv

MOLLY IVINS

FOR RELEASE: TUESDAY, AUGUST 9, 2005, AND THEREAFTER

AUSTIN -- Since we have declared war on a noun, we are now by definition in the definition business. The shortest version of our definitional problem, as we see in attacks from India to Israel, is that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Lewis Lapham, the editor of Harper's, writes in a scathing essay, "We might as well be sending the 101st Airborne Division to conquer lust, annihilate greed, capture the sin of pride." Since President Bush has given us his own somewhat exuberant definition -- "We go forth to defend freedom, and all that is good and just in the world" -- we can only hope there will be no further mission creep.

Hendrik Hertzberg, in a New Yorker essay, makes the useful point that while Israelis kill Palestinians and Palestinians kill Israelis, it is wrong to imply moral equivalence: "Innocent Palestinian civilians, including children, have indeed been killed, often carelessly, and that is bad enough. But they have not been ‘targeted.' For Hamas and Islamic Jihad, however, the killing of innocent Israeli civilians, including children, is deliberate, premeditated and desired." While I doubt the distinction is of much consolation to the mothers of children who end up as collateral damage, it's certainly worth making.

Is there any Senator or Congressperson with the
gonads to go to Texas and support Cindy?

Think about this the next time you vote.

WV,

I think the politicians know they had better stay the h#$@ away from Crawford. Their presence would be seen by many as exploitation... Cindy has brought this focus on the fallen, on her son in particular. Unless the politician has lost a son or daughter in this war, he better stay in D.C. and do what he needs to do to thwart this fascist regime.

Cindy doesn't need anyone's help, in my opinion. She has asked for an audience and been denied. The world is taking note.

Jo -

They can certainly speak out and support her
from Washington or their home state. The silence
tells me they are afraid they may offend someone.
They do. They offend me!

There is a tide in the affairs of men
Which taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
Omitted, all the voyage of their life
Is bound in shallows and in miseries.

William Shakespeare, "Julius Caesar

WV,

You're so right about their silence. It is most offensive. To think one person, one quiet woman has done more than all of the pols combined... no, that's not true, Conyers has been fighting every day, and the Black Caucus, and others once in a while take a stand... but not enough...

Knowing the politicos, they will step in when a direction gets apparent....a WINNING one....speaking up before they know they can win is not in their collective natures, except perhaps for a brave few.

Jo,
In the spring of 2003, there was planned a conference in Southern Maine ( on Winslow Homer's old property; he's probably still spinning!) for Business people for Iraq. I pictured, selling prints of lighthouse, from a kiosk in Baghdad, so called about it. When I heard the lunch price tag was $1,000. I knew what they were up to! There is a Dr. in Bar Harbor who made enough off privatizing Russian hospitals after the detante, to retire to Casaper Weinburger's neighborhood! ( write up in the paper) It was aboput the time of the looting of the antiquities, & bombing of the oil lines and the University of Maine system wised up & backed out of the deal. They never did reschedule in Maine, but obviously found another location.
That's when I started throwing words into the gears!
We'll go easy on you Garry you're a sweetie!
PQ ( offf to Bangor for the weekend!)

wv & Jo, You might want to check out these two sites for comparison. There may be something about Cindy Sheehan at this one:
http://www.dlc.org/
but I couldn't find any mention (though they are flashing their "stars" prominently).
There is a blog about Cindy Sheehan at this site, though:
http://www.democrats.org/

So right, Pat Q, so very right...

Have y'all noticed how active tMerc Rx is? it just moved out of my 12th house back into XI, so my fingers are driving me crazy... can't even get my face washed for fear I'll miss some post!!! And tSaturn just passed by my nPluto... wheeee! without a mishap... in fact, left a few good pieces of news... my middle sissy whom I've been very concerned for, has found a wonderful job! and tPluto is sitting exactly opp my nSun for the second time...

Pat C., are you going to Crawford? Take me in your pocket if you do... I have to take the grands back to Concord next week (am worried about that neck of the woods, and the coming August "drill")

Sharon, you are so good with uplifting words... send some light for the coming days for the eastern seaboard...

now I really must go and attend to the dust bunnies and the hungry children... not necessarily in that order! namaste

Jo, while dealing with life here, I am seriously considering it. I'd just love to and love to have you there with me.

..................

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/president_indicted.html

PRESIDENT INDICTED?
FEDERAL GRAND JURY DIGGING DEEP INTO BUSH CRIMES

A federal whistleblower close to the Chicago federal grand jury probe into perjury and obstruction charges against President Bush and others said indictments of top officials were handed down this week. A spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office of the Northern District of Illinois, however, refused to confirm or deny the source's account.

"We are not talking about any aspect of this case, and our office is not commenting on anything regarding the investigation at this time," said Randall Sanborn from the office of U.S. federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, the attorney conducting the grand jury probe into whether Bush and others in his administration violated federal law in a number of sensitive areas, including leaking the name of a CIA operative to the media.

More...

I have had some concerns from the beginning about the Cindy Sheehan sit down because it started on the Mercury Retrograde, but no matter she will have started a movement and I have such hopes it will catch on. Anyone here want to join a "sit down."

Ohhh, Shy, I checked your links! LOL with the DLC... a change of agenda? whose? not Liberals I hope... how 'bout the fascists...? Somebody really needs to take From behind the woodshed... at least put him in time out for that one...

I got an email from SC Dem Party... Bahy (can't even spell his name, I dislike him so) is coming to Columbia and I won't want to miss him, they tell me... Sorry, but that's one trip to Columbia I can forego... now why is he coming to this tiny little dot on the map, she asks naively?

wv, Jo, others interested, I'm going to try and find as many statements as I can from "our" pols. I'll post them as I find them. Hope that's ok. Here's one:
http://www.kucinich.us/

Sally, whre?

Awesome Shy!

Don't miss these AOL poll questions:
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050811094809990023&ncid=NWS00010000000001

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050812/holding_the_emperor_to_account.php

Holding The Emperor To Account

Apparently, Ted Kennedy and J. Kerry have urged Smirky to meet with her:
http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/?view=plink&id=1316

Not sure where, but I will let you know when it starts happening in your area Pat C. I watched the 9/11 Women on Hardball last night, they have passed the point of being polite or letting things go. These women know exactly what happened and they want answers. The Gold Star Mothers want answers. Keep the dream alive of 1 million women in front of the White House, in front of Congress scaring the living daylights out of them and booing down BS

in the article that starts this thread
are some astrological data, but it is kind
of a jumble and incomplete. could you repost that?
or was it supposed to be like that?
thanks
m

I"LL BE THERE.

mimi, I don't know where you are speaking of.

Jo dear, don't be worried. It's not gonna happen. They know we're on to their game.

Everyone else have a great day! The Year of the WOMAN! Yeah!

PS: I said a few things at the end of the last thread. Firstly, I said that Jo was so sharp to remember and come up with Carly Sheehan's song. Second, I wish someone would record/play it live and it could be broadcast on Air America, even Jay Leno. Let's telepathically focus on that. I'm going to see if Air America has a website so I can send in the suggestion.

Love ya,
Sharon

i copy/pasted this from the article above,
"sitting down"
Sun 9 Sagittarius Uranus 9 Gemini
Uranus 2 Leo Saturn 2 Leo
Mars 1 Scorpio Mars 5 Taurus
Jupiter 1 Virgo Moon 1 Virgo
Chiron 1 Aquarius Chiron 29 Capricorn

From my e-mail

From Steve Gilliard:

For the Post to co-sponsor a military-run "Freedom Walk" taking place
on public grounds that requires participants to register (including
registering their shirt sizes, apparently so they can be encouraged to
wear the march t-shirts the Pentagon will give away that day) is
mind-boggling.

To state the obvious, the Post shouldn't be backing a military
domestic PR operation, especially one meant to create public support
for the Iraq war. It's obscene that the government plans to conscript
9/11 victims posthumously into an un-American, Soviet-and-Nuremberg
style rally---it's much, much worse to have the nation's largest major
daily supporting the effort.

Post reporters and editors should meet with the publisher or speak out
publicly to protect the integrity of the paper and their profession.
The sponsorship can be withdrawn. This isn't a walk against breast
cancer, after all. It could not be more political.

http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/2005/08/is-he-fucking-kidding.html

Mimi, those are the aspects showing the energy of the situation.

Articles can become too long if each aspect were taught.

Yes....Sally...on my browser, the astro data looks like this:

Rosa Parks Cindy Sheehan

Sun 9 Sagittarius Uranus 9 Gemini
Uranus 2 Leo Saturn 2 Leo
Mars 1 Scorpio Mars 5 Taurus
Jupiter 1 Virgo Moon 1 Virgo
Chiron 1 Aquarius Chiron 29 Capricorn

I meant to post that earlier....but forgot until I read Mimi's comment....perhaps because we may both be on Macs? Often formatting is way off on a Mac compared to a PC....so just let me know (someone!) if this is how it looked to you....

These are 2 separate columns that ran together. I will translate:

for Rosa Park's bush protest, the planets were:
Sun 9 Sag
Uranus 2 Leo
Mars 1 Scorpio
Jupiter 1 Virgo
Chiron 1 Aquarius

for Cindy's, they were:
Uranus 9 Gemini
Saturn 2 Leo
Mars 5 Taurus
Jupiter 1 Virgo
Chiron 29 Capricorn

Sally is obviously showing the strong similarities which are easier to spot when they are side-by-side.

Thanks, Sally & All, for all of INSPIRATION. I really, really appreciate these up-to-the-minute reports. I have bookmarked quite a few articles to read over the weekend.

They have downgraded the "terror" alerts.

I especially loved Molly Ivins saying that Bush has declared war on a Verb!!!! What a great line.

So, Mimi, the list of planetary placements on the left are when Rosa Parks sat down; the list on the right are when Cindy Sheehan sat down. (But Sally, isn't Uranus in Pisces now, so it'd be 9 Pisces rather than Gemini?)

Sally, re: Cindy starting this during Mercury Rx, on the other hand, (correct me if I'm wrong, I only know snippets of astrology), I've heard Mercury Rx is also a good time for reflection. So maybe Cindy Sheehan and her friends are initiating a national reflection on what the heck is really being done?

I mean a NOUN! That definitely made me laugh out loud.

Judi, yes, you may be able to tell from Sharon's post that those of us with PCs see it the same as you do on your Mac.

Pat QofP, I'm delighted to hear of Eric's improvement (heart and fingers crossed).

WV, Cindy does much better without any politician showing up. Should they, it would seem opportunistic and lessen her power. Right now, the only people who should be showing up is THE PEOPLE. We, the people, are in a struggle with this administration and all those who voted or gave silent permission for this insane war.

Sally, I too am concerned that Cindy started on Mercury Rx, but I'm hoping that a movement has already taken hold and Mercury Rx will have litte impact except to cause delay and confusion at certain moments.

Mercury X is a great time to REVISIT situations which have not been resolved....or to go to school to learn new things or continue on in a field you already know but need updating in.....seems to me Cindy's taking boy george to school on this.

Lori,

You're right about tMerc Rx being a time for review... ol' Merc will make you review whether you choose to, or not! Dubya doesn't like reviews, which is why he fails life's tests... and tSaturn is testing him big time...

Sally, I LOVE the "sitting down" piece you wrote, by the way. It describes perfectly my response to my husband on occassion. :-) (In fact, I forwarded it to him, so he can know I'm not the only one who does that! haha -- nice for me to realize that myself, too.) I feel in such good company, though my sitting down is not currently publicly visible...

[PS -- don't worry - the grands are sated... the bunnies are still hoppin' --- who cares! plenty of time for that later, right]

Pat QP....I don't know if you read my post back a thread or so about how you might be surprised about Eric....but it seems it is true. You probably are surprised, and pleasantly. Things aren't always as they seem to be.

I didn't say that thinking to support you with unreasoned hope...I wrote it because it came to me to write it. I tend to be not the greatest person to offer fervent 'oh everything is going to be fine and rosy'.....I have too much Saturn influence. I believe I was given that phrase for a reason. Not from me....just me being the writer.

Thank you, Judi & Jo. Yes, I believe you're right. Every indication I see is that Cindy's party is getting bigger all the time. In the newspaper on a daily basis (Denver Post), on the local and national broadcast news each night, even on the crawler this morning! And the protests are growing with the women in Atlanta, and the crowd in Crawford getting bigger.

I understand that Mercury Rx is typically seen as a time when things really go haywire and are disrupted and communication is fraught with misses, and I understand there's a good reason for it being seen in that way! (Though personally I don't seem to suffer during Merc Rx much...well, except for the Merc Rx in my wedding chart, that's another story and it's continually finessed and ironed out, so all is ok!) But my sense is that the reflection and back-to-school revisiting is the energy of this movement. Of course, in time we'll see.

Sally, I know I am going to use up bandwidth on this....but it has now been just one year since I had the dream of the river and the soldiers dying without being able to say goodbye to their mothers....so I will post this which I wrote to Catherine Austin Fitts in reply to her story of her mothers 'suicide' by black ops. (this is the 3rd suicide mention I've made today).
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The previous Saturday, Aug 14, 2004 I had gone on a day long workshop in the Marin hills with an amazing woman, a white Shamana of the Amazonian Jungle medicine, Connie Grauds....she is an innocuous looking woman from Minnesota who was initiated over a 10 year period by Don Antonio in Peru, and she is an authentic shamana. To make a long story shorter, I was entranced and amazed and energized by her. I knew this had something to do with my other state of being ill, but it was still far away for me....and I did not sleep much at night during the following week. I was, after 3 days, exhausted physically and emotionally. I asked my pendulum how MUCH longer I would be "sick" and it said 4 days. Saturday was the 4th day after that reading. I am also experiencing, and will continue to experience over the next few months, a very powerful astrological opposition transit from Neptune (highest spirituality) in 13 deg of Aquarius to my natal Moon(rules emotions and the mother archetype) in 13 deg
. of Leo.
I woke up in a lucid dream early Saturday morning. I say I "woke up" because I was asleep physically but awake in my dream, in other words, a lucid dream. And I was "in" and yet viewing a RIVER of people.....all had died in many times, many places and many ways, and yet ALL had died without being able to say goodbye to their mothers. The image that came most powerfully was of young soldiers dying with their last breath uttering "mother".....and I felt the pain of all those people pass through me (it is a technique I had been taught to deal with things like this). And I said, this is what Neptune is showing me about the Moon, this is a powerful archetypal energy. And I felt and knew I had been healed by the dream. When I woke up, I no longer was ill. And I thought, am I supposed to share this? And then
your article came .... I knew I had to share it with you....you are apart of that river. And this must be your healing, too....namaste, judiwood

CATHERINE WROTE BACK:
Hey...the article started about a 10 days ago and then I drafted on and off over the last week.

Part of it was that the latest developments on the litigation made it possible for me to say publicly that I believe that it is very much tied up in the old business of earlier problems between my mother and father and the powers that be...

Thanks so much for letting me know what has been happening to you. I pray that spiritual forces are really going to work ...imagine if all of our women ancestors come together to help shift/transform.
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Note this last line!!!!

What if Cindy Sheehan has a natal Mercury Rx? Hmmm.

dkos has the Cindy ad that's running on Crawford cable tv... you can it now...

this is the link to diary, with link to ad at the very top...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/8/12/131230/750

Sally,

Thank you for your powerful, touching words. I know so many of us feel that women coming into more and more of their own power are going to be instrumental in the changes we are hoping and praying for. I wonder how the feminine asteroids are playing into what is happening now, politically, generally, and especially with events surrounding Cindy Sheehan. Here are the signs they are in now, but I don’t have the degrees.

Ceres - Scorpio, until Sept. 25
Pallas - Libra, until Sept. 20
Juno - Taurus, until Aug. 13
Vesta - Gemini, until Aug. 13
Chiron - Capricorn, until Dec. 6

I also want to address your comments about personal attacks. As one who has been personally attacked, for supposedly being someone other than I claimed to be, (No need to rehash who or when. It’s over. It’s done. We move on.) I understand people pulling back and not wanting to continue to participate. That has happened to me. My nature is not usually one of confrontation (Sun Gemini, Moon Sag, Libra asc., Venus and Mars in Cancer). This site is a beacon of light for so many of us. And I so value the people and their perceptions. Yes, I know that there are times to vent, but I agree that we should all strive to see the best in one another and not be driven by negative emotions or the need to be right. And it is so important so see more than just our side to things. There can be a kernel of truth in a different opinion, if we are willing to look for it. And it enriches us. It doesn’t diminish us. Self-reflection, admitting we may be wrong is not always easy to do. Isn’t that what we are asking of President Bush and our leaders? We need to also ask it of ourselves in our personal interactions.

So even though I now post very infrequently, I’m still lurking and sending light to all. Perhaps in the future, I will post more when it feels right. And to all the other lurkers, perhaps sensitive souls who are not quick verbally but feel deeply, you are participating by sending your good thoughts, your love and your light.

I offer a Daily Thought from Ascended Master Djwhal Khul

”I offer generosity to all I meet this day by consciously releasing all frustration, impatience and irritation in the very moment it arises.”

Peace

You're right Sharon, it was to be separated and is in the article, I've changed it three times but it still comes the same so it's something with the "publishing software." and it is Uranus at 9 Pisces. The similarity in the two charts (Rosa Parks and Cindy Sheehan) was stunning to me.

Rosa wasn't trying to incite a campaign or feed into the Civil Rights Movement (the white community did that when they arrested her) she was just sick and tired of the stupidity of segregation, sick and tired of working and still being a second class citizen with no rights and she sat down.

I don't think Cindy Sheehan started this as a political movement (although once again the white men who created this situation turned it into a political face) she is grief stricken over the death of her son and she heard "noble cause" one too many times and she just decided to go there and sit down until the death of her son was validated by some kind of truth, not the BS this administration keeps putting out.

This administration, whether it's toward a country, a religion, a person, doesn't have a PLAN, their plan is just to call other names and intimadate through that. Cindy got sick and tired of it and is "sitting down." She knows the war won't end because of her, but she wants some kind of accountability from these yahoos and the yahoos who are protecting them.

08.11.2005Bob Fertik
Cindy Exposes the Emperor's New Clothes

Some have compared Cindy Sheehan to Rosa Parks, and I certainly agree. But
Cindy also powerfully reminds me of the little child in Hans Christian Andersen's famous story, The Emperor's New Suit.

more...http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/featuredposts.html#a005491

Shylurker

Thanks for the Kucinich statement - he is one
classy guy. I had gone to his site very early
this morning and found nothing. I am glad he is
still leading the way. We should have elected him.
I see that he is going to run again in 2008. I
plan to support him.

let me add, if you read Fertik's article at HuffPost, look at the comments...there is a wonderful update on this in the form of Hans Christian Anderson meets Dr. Seuss, but too long to post....http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/bob-fertik/cindy-exposes-the-emperor_5486.html

http://tinyurl.com/74ek5

Vanity Fair' Rips Media 'Conspiracy' in Covering Up Role in Plame Scandal

Powerful 5-min video by Danielle Grieco... found it at the leftcoaster... they ask you distribute the url around... anti-war film, absolutely powerful --- grab your tissues:

http://warandpeace.euphoriaproject.org/

Shy - can you take it to DU? Pat C., your lists? anyone else who has lists? Joanna? Sharon? Judi G., others? get it out there... there's an email address for the artist at the end of the film

Done Jo.

Here's an interesting way to see 'sitting down'. My favorite radio show on Pacifica WBAI is 'The Positive Mind' with Armand Demiel, an intuitive psychoanalyst. He had a week devoted to male psychology. He said that some men get afraid to feel their feelings so they unbalance the cart with their women who will get angry, fearful, tearful and emotional as a projection of the male's repressed feelings. When the women 'sit down' or become aware of what is happening they will not react to the the male's unbalancing behavior. They will not act out the male's repressed energy so that the male must feel his own feelings, not projection. Projection takes two to dance. Stop the dance. The bullies must be confronted so they can confront their own feelings. This sit down is not silent, it roars.

http://www.madcowprod.com/

?Army Intel Unit Exposes Massive FBI 9-11 Cover-up

Dear Sally: Regarding your concern about Mercury Retro and Cindy:

I think it is a good thing. Jeff Green refers to retrograde planets as "being processed internally" vs. outwardly in the material world. I have Mercury retrograde in my birthchart and notice more internal awareness in myself during retrograde transits.

Similar to what Lori says.

Well, Mars in Taurus is certainly conducive to sitting down on the earth and not budging. The timing is perfect after all that Aries bravado. I wonder if this will have big repercussions and continue since it seems to be connected to the long Mars transit. I'd like to see this go on in the furrow being dug now, way after Crawford. The Merc retro is also perfect as a long needed forum is now becoming manifest. Another viewpoint, and a more valid one, in my opinion. A simple question is being asked... what constitutes a noble cause for war and a child's sacrifice?

The Saturn in Leo is drawing attention to an authentic, honest self expession and exposing the sham of the ones with hubris.
This should have strength and continuity.

From Jean Huston:

Hello everyone!
I just watch the following video of Cindy Sheehan which you can also view at at http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9738.htm
"This is a must watch (AND VERY MOVING!) brief video with footage from Crawford and Cindy's appearances around the country at Freedom AND Faith events. Cindy's courageous Crawford stand is galvanizing opposition to the war and awakening America to the senseless tragedy that is Iraq." (taken from Freedom and Faith)

At the end of her speech Cindy asks us: "What Kind of Extremist Will You be?"

As you will read this compilation, you will realize that through the infinitely stupid and malevolent choices and actions of the universally abhorred current U.S. administration, the world is on the verge of a precipitous fall into a far greater abyss of violence, death and random destruction than the senseless war and brutal occupation in Iraq have been and still are. I also hope that, like Cindy Sheehan, you will realize as well that the time has now come for every single citizen of this planet to rise as One and demand not only an end to all wars, but insist upon the need for a quick cleansing of the dark elements who have wreck havoc around the world and created untold sufferings.

Because the trigger point for the Illuminati evil plans to create an "excuse" to attack Iran could very well be next Wednesday, August 17, during an anti-terrorism drill near Charleston, South Carolina, I've been inspired to suggest to all interested Light Servers to rally, for a few minutes preceding and following the top of every hour for the next 7 days (up to August 19), in silent meditation and global at-One-ment to channel Light to all sentient beings on Earth so as to successfully nullify such plans and to trigger the release of the massive pent-up Forces of Love and Peace in all of us that are now ready to transform the waking consciousness and spiritual awareness of all humans on Earth, for the Highest Good of All.

Jean Hudon
Earth Rainbow Network Coordinator

P. S. I also recommend to your urgent attention the current "Meditation Focus #134: Raising a Shield of Light and Love Around Iran" available at http://www.aei.ca/~cep/MeditationFocus134.htm

Lori, people born with Mercury retrograde usually have issues cleared up during a Mercury retrograde period as they are able to process what has been happening during the direct periods. People with a Mercury direct in their natal chart have "issues" show up that they must be processed during the direct period. For natal retrograde people, things clear up during retrograde periods, for direct Mercury, things become muddled during retrogrades.

We really are in the middle of a cosmic event at all times. Would Pluto in Sagittarius allow another hackneyed bomb drop, create another false terrorist attack to end this moment of truth? I'll trust the universe on this one. See what gets center stage.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

August 9, 2005

U.S. base in Paraguay established to protect Sun Myung Moon's water and land resources

With U.S. troops currently protecting Halliburton's oil operations in Iraq and the CentGas pipeline in Afghanistan, U.S. troops are now being sent to Paraguay, complete with immunity from criminal prosecution by Paraguay or the International Criminal Court, to protect the millions of acres of Paraguayan water and land resources bought over the years by religious cult leader Sun Myung Moon. It is not coincidental that Moon's Unification Church has many followers within the Bush administration. Last month, 500 U.S. troops arrived in Paraguay to expand the Mariscal Estigarriba air base to handle large U.S. military transport planes.

And nomination: August 10, 2005 -- Moonie Alert! As a follow-up to the article below on U.S. troops arriving in Paraguay to protect Sun Myung Moon's land holdings, there is this alarming report: Moon Unification Church official and WashingtonTimes deputy managing editor Josette Sheeran Shiner has been nominated by President Bush to be U.S. Alternate Governor of the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development, the Inter-American Development Bank, the African Development Bank, the Asian Development Bank, the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, and the African Development Fund. Shiner has also been nominated to be a member of the Board of Directors of the Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC). Shiner, who has been Deputy U.S. Trade Representative, became a member of Moon's cult in 1975 when she was recruited in college. Moon's phenomenal wealth has been linked to Asian organized criminal gangs; gambling businesses in Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Macao; and Asian prostitution rings. Now one of his followers will be involved with multi-billion dollar loans for projects and programs in the world's developing nations.

Elsewhere, Monsanto is pursuing its empire,

Monsanto completes purchase of Seminis (25/03/2005) http://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/productnews/news.asp?id=58965&k=monsanto-completes-purchase Monsanto yesterday completed its acquisition of leading seed company Seminis, making it a wholly owned susidiary.

Monsanto buyout rattles organic farmers (April 17, 2005) http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050417/NEWS/504170372&SearchID=73205778851094 (...) Based in Oxnard, Calif., Seminis currently sells 3,500 varieties of fruit and vegetable seeds throughout the world, controlling an estimated 40 percent of the U.S. market and 20 percent of the world market.According to a January New York Times article by reporter Andrew Pollack, the purchase of Seminis will make Monsanto the world's largest seed and biotech company, surpassing Dupont in "revenues derived from seeds and biotech traits."

More...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1072-1731547,00.html

And these US chemical companies taking over world agriculture is SO scary- literally have life & death stranglehold over millions- billions of human-beings.. Just read the Iraq law the US insituted-

"..While historically the Iraqi Constitution prohibited private ownership of biological resources, the new US-imposed patent law introduces a system of monopoly rights over seeds. This is virtually a takeover of Iraqi agriculture.

The rights granted to US plant breeding companies under this order include the exclusive right to produce, reproduce, sell, export, import and store the plant varieties covered by intellectual property right for the next 20-25 years. During this extended period nobody can plant or otherwise use plants, trees or vines without compensating the breeder.

In the name of agricultural reconstruction this new law deprives Iraqi farmers of their inherent right, exercised for the past 10,000 years in the fertile Mesopotamian arc, to save and replant seeds. It enables the penetration of Iraqi agriculture by Monsanto, Syngenta, Bayer, Dow Chemical and other corporate giants that control the global seed trade. Food sovereignty for the Iraqi people has therefore already been made near-impossible by these new regulations...."

One thing retrogrades do is retrace steps. This indicates that something has been left out, overlooked, maybe lost, and needs to be retrieved.

I was truly sadden to hear that the DOD was planning a 9/11 parade, an event of "joy" to mark the saddest event we've had in over 50 years. I wonder what they had planned. A simulation of the towers blowing up every half block, how about a float depicting the men and women who hurled themselves to the ground from the highest windows. How about the tear stained families walking and holding up the pictures of their missing loved ones, praying they were still alive. Perhaps he could get a dry ice machine and recreate the thousands of people, their faces filled with panic and fear running frantically down the street so the black smoke from the crash of the buildings wouldn't overtake them. Wow Rummy what a great idea, and at the end we could show GWB with light streaming from the heavens (if we can get God to work with us) standing atop rubble, any rubble, saying "we will get him dead or alive." You think they might sell cotton candy at this event.

Hot dogs, Sally, hot dogs.

Of course jm, why did I not think of that, hot dogs would go perfectly, I am sure the Pentagon is on it as we speak. They seem to know just what the people would want.

This one's for everyone, of course, but especially you, wv:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/gary-hart/a-voice-crying-in-the-wil_5482.html

Cap'n Sally, don't forget pretzels and pork rinds.

Pat C., Aug. 12 10:19pm post: WOW. Thanks.

Pretzles, hot dogs, pork rinds, cotton candy...all the junk you can swallow.

.......

You're most welcome Lori.

http://www.cwg.org/bulletins/Bulletin_153.html

CwG Weekly Bulletin #153: What’s the Point?

Oh, boy! Our busy-busy-busy guy has posted a few new ones.
http://www.busybusybusy.com/

Wonderful article, Sally! I wouldn't have thought to compare Cindy with Rosa Parks. "Pattern Recognition" (to use the title from a William Gibson book) is what intelligence is all about.

Also, thanks for helpful comments re Mercury retro, which I was born under. I remember a particularly tough time in my life when--besides all the tense transiting squares, conjuctions, oppositions, etc.--Mercury was retro. I felt assailed from all sides. Then one day I realized that the people opposing me were experiencing Mercury retro also! That thought was pretty comforting and indeed their efforts did misfire.

This site is such a pleasure and comfort. I often log in here to read the latest after a long day struggling with alligators, and it calms me down.

Regarding the differences of opinion on the posts here, I am reminded of when--in the early '60s--I worked for a magazine that transmitted info by teletype. We were told to abbreviate all messages and never to add "unnecessary " words. But after some major misunderstandings, I broke the rule and told all our folks to add "please", "thank you", and the other common courtesies, because the technology could not convey the tone of voice we would normally project. On previous threads other AWorlders have commented on this same thing. Since we can't see and really "hear" each other's tone of voice, we must be especially careful.

Many of the posters here are just naturally tactful. My wish is that in my next reincarnation I will be. For now, I am a somewhat heavy-footed Sun in Aquarius, Moon in Capricorn, Asc in Taurus. But who knows, maybe grace and lightness someday await me. Meanwhile, I totally understand misunderstandings.

Delightful! and heart warming news regarding Eric, Pat QOP. Ever in my white light.

Sally, thank you for the post. Rosa Parks, Cindy Sheehan...even Lysistrata as a comedic play in ancient Greece... not to mention my constant, ad naseum references to Ceres.

Ah me, it is unmercifully hot on Princeton tonight. Last night a bat discomforted my sleep. Bat is out of the house, but I am still weirded out by the whole affair which took 5 hours to resolve today. So Astroworld is quite comforting. NYTimes spent a lot of coverage on Delay and Ambramoff (sp?). Somebody seems to be doing their job investigating.

Last night Olberman had quite an interview with Cindy Sheehan. Gave her time to answer trumped up Repgn charges against her. Very cogent and simple. "less is more."

Lou Dobbs called the American Indians move to strike names like "Black Hawk" from machines of war "idiotic." Didn't see the point even when it was explained that American Indians didn't like their names associated with implements of war, because they had suffered mercilously at the hands of such instruments in the past. Lou Dobbs doesn't seem to get it most of the time.

Right, Beasley. I think Lou Dobbs is trying to "ride the wave" (of off-shoring jobs, etc.) without really addressing the underlying mind-set.

Don't know whether he doesn't get it or just doesn't want to get it,

Transiting Mars will cross that 2nd Innauguration Chart's Asc. on Aug. 24th. It will form a grand cross: Transiting Mars in Taurus (with the transiting moon not far behind at 5 Taurus) sqr Natal Neptune in Aquarius opp Natal Ceres in Scorpio and transiting Mercury at 15 Leo. A thunder storm in Texas or what?

Ran across this wonderful piece on Cindy... well, not JUST Cindy... written by a former civilian US Army Public Information Officer... imagine that! And in a wonderfully rawdy voice. You know how everyone refers to his home in Crawford as a "ranch" when it's not --- it's a farm --- no horse or cattle here. Well the writer of this piece clarifies the issue for us --- seems it used to be... ready? a PIG FARM... kid you not...

not only does she rip Dubya, she gives some good sources for finding info, news on Cindy. But the best part? The writer, Sheila Samples tells us what many were hoping... The REVOLUTION is NOW...
I won't post all of it, it's too long...

It All Started at the Pig Farm
The Revolution is NOW...
by Sheila Samples
www.dissidentvoice.org
August 12, 2005

“If you shut up the truth and bury it under the ground, it will but grow, and gather to itself such explosive power that the day it bursts through it will blow up everything in its way.”

-- Emile Zola, French author

~snip~

"...There are few things more relentless this side of Hell than an August Texas sun. Unless it would be the lost souls of Fallujah crying out for justice through the Napalm flames. Or perhaps it is a mother so engulfed in grief at the cruel and needless loss of her child that her primal screams reverberate throughout the world. Except at the pig farm. Or within the entire US Senate. Or on the deaf ears of all but 38 of the 435 representatives in the US House.

The initial 16 -- one representative for each word Bush used to lie us onto the New World Order killing fields -- are John Conyers, George Miller, Maxine Waters, Corrine Brown, Dennis Kucinich, Carolyn Maloney, Jim McDermott, Jim McGovern, Barbara Lee, Zoe Lofgren, Peter Oberstar, John Lewis, Bernie Sanders, Bob Filner, Micheal Honda, and Raul Grijalva. I have searched in vain for Nancy Pelosi, Cynthia McKinney, Charlie Rangel -- searched for just one Republican who would ask Bush to meet with the mother of a slain soldier...

It is not only Iraq that is occupied. America is too

My country is in the grip of a president surrounded by thugs in suits

By Howard Zinn

More Americans are beginning to feel, like the soldiers in Iraq, that something is terribly wrong. More and more every day the lies are being exposed. And then there is the largest lie, that everything the US does is to be pardoned because we are engaged in a "war on terrorism", ignoring the fact that war is itself terrorism, that barging into homes and taking away people and subjecting them to torture is terrorism, that invading and bombing other countries does not give us more security but less.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9747.htm

con't

Six soldiers and marines were killed today. Four yesterday. In just 10 days of August, 44 Americans and many, many more innocent Iraqis have been murdered. We don't "do" body counts of Iraqi citizens, so there's no way of knowing how many have died, but we do know that more than four soldiers and marines have been slaughtered in a single day -- every day. The pig farm president may not know where his children are tonight, but Casey Sheehan knows where his mother is -- sweltering in 100-plus-degree weather on a desolate prairie -- ignored by the commander-in-chief -- but still out there, bravely supporting the troops.

~snip~

Bush says he "grieves 'n mourns" for the dead and maimed. His "thoughts 'n prayers" go out to them. He 'preciates them making the ultimate sacrifice for his noble cause. Many, however, are beginning to think Bush has a strange way of showing his compassion. He has not attended a single funeral of the now 1,848 Americans who have died in Iraq because of his lies and lack of planning, and he continues to stubbornly "ditch" Sheehan as she keeps a lonely vigil on the Texas plains.

Bush might wish later that he had come out to meet with Sheehan upon her arrival Saturday when there was but a handful of supporters accompanying her. If the media covered the meeting at all, he would have been portrayed as a caring president, and by Sunday it would all have been over. But that isn't how Bush operates. He does not negotiate; remember, his will is strong, his resolve will not be broken. Bush is not satisfied until everything he touches turns into a steaming, odious pile of bullshit. He made the cowardly choice to send out a couple of minions -- national security adviser Steve Hadley and deputy White House chief of staff Joe Hagin -- to tell her that Bush really really cares, but nobody's coming home until "the mission is accomplished..."

So -- as Bush likes to say, "history will show" the Revolution started on a steamy August day...at the pig farm.

Pig Farm Part III

Who knew? Who would have believed just a week ago that, after all our years of hard work, the crude and pitiless Bush would run out there, ram his middle finger in the face of a heartbroken mother, and jump-start the Revolution?

By the time Cindy Sheehan leaves her station at the pig farm, Bush will know that he was wrong. He will know, because "Mother" is not just half a word, as Bush and his Texas buddies, his Skull and Bones cohorts, his PNAC perps were raised to believe. "Mother" is Nature. "Mother" is Earth. "Mother" is an invincible, protective force that, if awakened and sufficiently outraged, will sweep the entire murderous bunch from their seats of evil power. Ultimately, "Mother" will bring our troops home.

The mainstream media will find, much to their chagrin, that the Revolution is NOW, and will continue apace without them. The Iconoclast is offering hourly updates on the Sheehan vigil. Friends of Peace and Justice of Waco is mobilizing support for Sheehan’s vigil, which could last until the end of August.

More information can be obtained at the Crawford Peace House website or by calling (254)486-0099. Air America Radio hosts, especially Randi Rhodes and Mike Malloy, are all over this story, giving minute-by-minute updates, many of them coming from Sheehan herself, who calls the station regularly. Google "Cindy Sheehan," and you will discover the entire Internet is wide awake and on the march, and will join the Revolution -- at the pig farm.

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Aug05/Samples0812.htm

In the midst of an opinion piece in my local paper, I found this little gem of a snippet:

~snip~

According to Professor Matthew Shugart of the University of California-San Diego, for the past three election cycles more than 200 million votes were cast in races electing our 100 senators. Republicans won 46.8 percent of the votes in these elections, but the Democrats won more votes, 48.4 percent. Yet the GOP currently holds a lopsided 55-44 majority. In 2004, Democratic senatorial candidates won more than 51 percent of the votes cast, yet Republicans won 19 of 34 (56 percent) contested seats. So the minority party holds a majority of Senate seats.

This GOP overrepresentation is due to Republican success in low-population, conservative states in the West and South that have the same representation - two senators per state - as high-population states like California.

from http://www.denverpost.com/guestcommentary/ci_2934280

Time for a fresh look at life terms on the Supreme Court By Steven Hill; San Francisco

See? There ARE more of us!

There's an old Grateful Dead saying, Lori: We are everywhere.

I promise to lay off the Viggo stuff with this one, but I did have to share it:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2005856

There are those who believe we are actually in the year 2011 AD.

http://www.star.ucl.ac.uk/~mmd/star.html

Originally published in The Observatory, Vol. 118, No. 1142, pp. 22-24, 1998 February

Lunar Occultations of Jupiter and Saturn, and the Star of Bethlehem

Molnar1 has presented a detailed case for his proposal that the Magi's star, or star of Bethlehem of the New Testament gospel of St. Matthew2, may be identified with a pair of astrologically significant lunar occultations of Jupiter in Aries on 6 BC March 20 and April 17. Here, we report the identification of further contemporary astronomical events, a pair of occultations of Saturn in Pisces, which may be capable of astrological interpretation as ``omens'' supporting Molnar's hypothesis. We also show that Molnar's model horoscope for the birth of Christ requires a remarkably rare set of circumstances.

Molnar's argument depends not just on the fact of an occultation of Jupiter (which is a relatively common occurrence), or even on a pair of occultations, but on the astrological interpretation of the first occultation being within the terms of Jupiter in Aries--a technical terminology meaning that Jupiter's precise position within Aries amplified its own influence and especially the powerful influence of an occultation. The presence of Mars in Aries was a further a priori requirement for his identification. Aries was traditionally associated with Judaea and surrounding areas, according to the Tetrabiblos of Claudius Ptolemy (see ref. 1). The presence of an astrological device, the Lot of Fortune, in the same part of the zodiac as the first occultation is also crucial to his identification of these events as the Magian star. He showed that similar horoscopes in the Magian or Chaldaean system had been described in ancient times for Roman emperors such as Augustus, Tiberius, and Hadrian.

More....

Venezuela says Americans could be denied visas

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — United States citizens could be denied visas to visit Venezuela in response to a U.S. decision to revoke the visas of six Venezuelan military officers, the vice president said Friday.

Jose Vicente Rangel said Venezuela decided to take a harder line after the United States pulled the visas of six officers previously involved in anti-drug efforts with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency.

"The Venezuelan government ... will proceed quickly, with responsibility, but firmly to reciprocate in the cases of U.S. citizens who travel to our country," Rangel said at a news conference.

The visas of the six Venezuelan officers were revoked after Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez accused DEA agents of spying in Venezuela and said cooperation with the U.S. agency would be suspended.

Rangel said DEA agents in Venezuela also worked with "unacceptable autonomy" while "detaining and interrogating Venezuelans" without notifying Venezuelan authorities.

The vice president said DEA agents maintained "strange ties" with drug traffickers in Venezuela, which often serves as a corridor for Colombian cocaine destined for the United States and Europe.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-08-12-venezuelavisas_x.htm

http://www.eoni.com/%7evisionquest/library/leaving_the_world_behind.html

Oh joy! Great posts this morning! Re: Kucinich. Campaigned for Dennis. Spoke at several engagements -- an eye-opening experience -- regarding campaign strategies, et al. Reps for Dennis were not confined to a script, nor were we given one. Then, I had the opportunity to meet Dennis. Literally, Dennis shines. His aura is distinct. I was not the only one to notice this. There is no mystery as to why Dennis was marginalized prior to the Dem. Nat'l. Conv. His vision/convictions are absolutely antithecal to those multinational giants now firmly in control of THE WORLDS future. In fact, i would say Dennis is the potential "David" to this "Goliath" we now find ourselves facing. I urge all Astroworlders to generously support him.

karen

wv, karen and all: Rep. Miller (Cindy Sheehan's in his district) has declared his support as well:
http://www.house.gov/georgemiller/

This is a Rolling Stone article where they followed Bernie Sandars around Congress for quite awhile. Their article written by an "embeded" reporter is beyond interesting and more than enough to show 85% of Congress needs to go.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/7539869?rnd=1123941804351&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.1059

Yet another soul-sickening sample of today's acting-out by the hypocritical irreligious religous wargeezers.

* Defiant Msgr steps down

The motel-hopping monsignor accused of having an affair with his married church sec resigned in disgrace yesterday as rector of St Patrick's Cathedral. But Msgr Eugene Clark didn't admit to an affair with Laura DeFilippo - even after a videotape showed them checking into a Hamptons motel.

"Altho Msgr Clark con't to deny the allegations against him, he offered his resignation for the good of St Patrick's & the archdiocese," archdiocesan spokesman Joseph Zwilling said in a statement. Clark was not defrocked, but Zwilling said the 79 y/o priest wld "not be celebrating Mass or the sacraments publicly until this matter has been resolved."

The Eternal Word TV Network also pulled the plug on Clark's weekly "Relationships" TV show. During the 1/2-hr broadcast, Clark often lectured about marital fidelity & railed against Hollywood, homosexuals & others he deemed "the enemy of Christian marriage." ... con't http://www.nydailynews.com/front/v-pfriendly/story/336671p-287433c.html

Joanna,
The horny priest's mug is all over the NYC rags.

Don'tcha just love Cosmic Justice?
To quote you: "whaddaHOOT!' !!!!
Too bad he wasn't with a another man. That would have heads exploding all over the place. Hypocrites! Thou protest too much..'enemies'...what a jerk!

alllll rightttt, a ray of sunshine here!!!

The End is Coming...

~snip~

"...What we must realize is that Mrs. Sheehan has placed this administration in an inescapable situation. As each day passes, more and more people want answers. The answers they demand go beyond a moral issue of his "noble cause." They encroach on every tangible action that this President, his administration, and his party have taken. It is only a matter of time before we, in the greater public and of all parties, demand our representative government to investigate current issues and revisit past investigations, overturning every stone to discover any criminal acts, however great or small. It is an unavoidable problem for this administration and they are fully aware of it.

The second element of the "last throes" of this administration is the subdued, but not buried investigation into the Valerie Plame leak. Mr. Fitzgerald will return his case very soon. I am confident that there will be indictments, and they will reach high places, possibly the President himself.

And so, the end is drawing nearer as each moment passes. It is a factual inevitability. There is no single entity within the American structure that is immune to the rule of law. Mathematically, it is like a bell curve. There are statistical periods of success; but eventually, there will be a decay of the event until it ultimately reaches its collapse, thus beginning a new cycle."

Andrew G. Gatto's Blog
http://crawfordpeace.nfshost.com/node/7

More from The End is Coming...

"...Adversely, let us suppose for a moment that this opinion proves wrong. Suppose that Mrs. Sheehan is answered and satisfied with her answer. Suppose Mr. Fitzgerald returns no indictments. Suppose the House and Senate resist the request by their voters to investigate into perjuries and illegal deceit to their committees and bring no charges nor petitions for impeachment. Where will the President be? Will he claim victory? Will he be an effective leader? The answer is most assuredly no.

The President has lost already. There will be no act or measure for the duration of his Presidency that will be free of scrutiny or opposition. Both sides know this. For example, the President was sure to sign both the energy and transportation bill as quickly as he possibly could. Further, he has recess appointed the most contentious man ever to step foot into the United Nations since Khruschev. He may hold the office, but he is finished and everyone knows it.

Mr. Mehlman knows it. He has decided to ignore any current concerns on his GOP website, opting to fill his headlines with "in case you missed it," slants on members of the Democratic party. Further, he is more than likely busy pondering how he can justify his organization's decision to pay over $722,000 to help James Tobin's legal woes.

All of the above is swiftly binding up into a snowball that will lead to a great avalanche. As we can see, they are caught completely unprepared for it. Their only method is to scramble and adhere to the same tactics of murk and unbearable repetition that has brought them this far. Unfortunately, it is too late. Consequence is unavoidable. Reality cannot be ignored for more than just a little while.

So, where does that leave all of us? What plans should we draw? The Democratic Party has been criticized relentlessly for "having no message." Might I suggest that our message be to reverse every possible policy of this "dying king?" We must not wait to begin collecting our spoils. For, they are the very spoils that have been pillaged from us over the past six years. Let us all fight from this day forward to explore a universal and successful withdrawal from Iraq. Let us diligently pursue criminal indictments for all whom have served to perpetuate the lies that had placed these noble men and women there in the first place. Let us repeal the USA PATRIOT ACT and take the time to explore a beneficial plan that does not rob us of our civil rights (nor has to be distributed in the middle of the night to avoid debate.) Let us recapture our individual stake in our political structure. Let us prosecute all whom have taken action to defraud us from our vote.

Rest assured, my friends. The end is near for this President. Let us be ready."

More at Andrew G. Gatto's Blog at

http://crawfordpeace.nfshost.com/node/7

It's not enough for Bush the Minor to be brought down. We need to expose and bring down his father as well. George Herbert Walker Bush has profited quite handsomely from the "death merchant" Carlyle Group during his son's reign, which, contrary to how he might defend himself, has not been a coincidence. All corrupted roads in this Republican-infested Government eventually lead back to Bush Sr.

Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, Rice, Hughes, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Abrams, Bolton. Along with Dubya and Bush Sr., every single one of these corrupt individuals should be dragged out of office by the Justice Department and frogmarched before the cameras as they are being hauled off to federal prison, and then to The Hague to stand trial for War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity.

May the entire PNAC/Neo-Conservatism movement and methodology be thoroughly exposed, discredited and then riotously ridiculed before taking its place as one of the most destructive "isms" in American history.

AMEN NEOB AMEN!!!

I swear by all that is holy, just when you think Repubs can't sink any lower, they immediately drop 20 feet--witness this travesty:
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2005/08/republicans-chant-we-dont-care-at.html

All left-leaning organizations need to get video of this and broadcast it every day from now through 2006 into 2008. They TRULY don't care.......

namaste all
G

I don't know if you all are overloaded with Cindy stuff but this was an excellent program from yesterday that gives some insight into the "squirmming" that Bush is feeling as a result of her request to see him.

Mr. Bush was able to see the protesting crowd during is travel to a Republican fund raiser yesterday afternoon, expected to raise 2 million dollars.

Cindy wore a sign stating "Mr. Bush, how come you have time to attend a fund raiser, but don't have time to see me.?

"Iraq Comes to Crawford" - real audio - check archives August, 2005
Host Tom Ashbrook
http://www.onpointradio.org (a WBUR Boston Program)

I forgot to mention that Cindy Sheehan will appear on the program around 30 minutes into it. She will bring us up to date on her plans for Washington D.C. after she leaves Crawford on 8-31.

Beverly,

I speak only for myself, but there can be no overload of Cindy 'stuff' --- Cindy has sparked the antiwar movement... given backbone to folks all over the country to stand and be counted... to make this coward accountable... at a time when the numbers of fallen troops are increasing... and the violence in Iraq is taking the lives of hundreds of Iraqis every month.

My days are filled at the moment with surfing and posting comments wherever I can... to toss the pebbles in the pond, so to speak... to wake those who are sleeping...

There cannot be too much Cindy "stuff"...

Jo, I stand with you. Saying there is too much of Cindy is similar to someone saying, at the time, there is too much of Rosa Park. I am in awe of Cindy and that is why I want the politicians to stay away from her for fear that they may scent her with their cowardly, corporate stench.

Thank you Jo.

I'm never too sure if there is already too much of something already posted. I am in admiration of Cindy. I wish we could find her birth information. I would like to see a synastry chart between her and Bush. Not so much to see if Bush will talk to her, but to see the overall energies and how she will fair with her protest and how those protests will affect the resident.

So much is coming to light, all the time, and I am very concerned about what this administration may have up it's sleeve to avert our attention and take the focus off of their dirty deeds.

Yesterday, Mr. Bush stated that he did not rule out "military action" against Iran...but that he hoped for a diplomatic solution first. We have all heard that before. It is beyond me that he could even contemplate such a statement considering the mess he has made in Afganistan and Iraq.

antiwar activists, veterans, community organizers, and military families will gather in

Union Square for a demonstration of solidarity with Cindy Sheehan. In New York City. We will gather in Union Square in Manhattan at 5:00 pm for a "Camp Casey - NYC."

The Troops Out Now Coalition has called on local activists everywhere to demonstrate their solidarity with Cindy Sheehan on Monday.

Beverly,

some of us have searched for Cindy's dob, in vain. Today IXis9 came up with this info and date at Nancy's Blog:

IXis9 Says:

August 13th, 2005 at 10:57 am
I think I found a b’date on Sheehan through a records search of her 1977 marriage.

07-10-1957
Los Angeles County CA
Sorry don’t have a time.

Jo Says:

August 13th, 2005 at 11:12 am
IXis9,

that would make her 42; news reports are that she is 48… born about 1952/53.

IXis9 Says:

August 13th, 2005 at 11:13 am
There are more possibilites for a Cindy (Miller) Sheehan. I am basing my research on the marriage register for Cindy and Patrick Sheehan. who married 4/3/77 when she was registered as a19 year old bride. It was just a couple of months before her 20th. Personally I am going with the 7/10/57 but here are the others..

3/26/58

6/10/58

10/3/58

For those of you who are adept at a rectification chart this could be a good starting point. Also here is where I accessed the information. http://www.vitalsearch-ca.com/. You have to jump through a few loops but who knows it might come in handy for future searches.

Jo, Neo, Garry...

I feel you have stolen my script. There in no
need of a trial for these idiots - under the
Patriot Act we should be able to put them away
forever. We know they are guilty, there is nothing
to prove.
The Italians had the right idea at the end of
WWII - they strung Mussolini and his girlfried up
on a lamppost in Milan. Anyone who wanted to could
come by and give him a whack, and spit on him.
I would pay for the privilige!
Bush is a mysogynist who will pay the price.

Shroeder attacks the thief of WHouse and is not sitting mum like blair. May be he sees thaat can win him in the coming elections. Like that.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4149090.stm

Continuing on the above theme also read

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4149792.stm

George and Cindy
I guess practically every reader of JWN is well familiar by now with the campaign of that persistent and heroic woman, Cindy Sheehan. She's been camping outside GWB's vacation home in Crawford, Texas, trying to win a face-to-face meeting with the man whose disastrous decision to launch the invasion of Iraq resulted in the death of her son Casey, some 1,840 other US service-members, and scores of thousands of Iraqis and others.

Sheehan has already-- around a year ago-- had one face-to-face meeting with Bush. On Wednesday, Juan Cole published the excerpt from the Wolf Blitzer interview in which Sheehan described the bizarre, affect-less way that Bush behaved during that meeting:

He didn't even know Casey's name. He didn't want to hear it. He didn't want to hear anything about Casey. He wouldn't even call him "him" or "he." He called him "your loved one."

Every time we tried to talk about Casey and how much we missed him, he would change the subject. And he acted like it was a party.

http://justworldnews.org/archives/001372.html
(See also Lakshmi Chaudry's interview with Sheehan, on Alternet.)

The big demonstration in DC is on September 24, I think. A chart of this should be fascinating. Cindy's momentum will cintinue till then probably and the crowd should be far bigger than anticipated earlier.

Mars is exactly on it's 23 degree station just about to go retrograde.

Here's link to booman tribune diary re Camp Casey and anti-protestors imported in from Irving (Dallas) Tejas...

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2005/8/13/141812/681

here's link to AJC re another Gold Star Mom in Atlanta

http://tinyurl.com/b7euk

Reminder to keep Cindy in light and love... the WaPo had a piece on front page today that stinks.

http://tinyurl.com/86dxn

Front page on my local newspaper today:

THE COST OF WAR:

large picture, 1/2 page, underneath: Blanca Stibbs, mother of marine Lance Cpl. Evenor Herrera, rests her head in her hands in her Avon apartment Friday. Her son, 22, was killed by a roadside bomb in Ramadi, Iraq, about a month and a half before he was due to return home.

The local response through this will be a more accurate reflection than the national media.

I think this Mars retrograde is a portent of what's coming as our US progressed Mars goes retro, starting in Libra, 18 degrees, right around our US Saturn. For 80 years. First it will square our natal Cancer stellium and transiting Pluto. The sword will have to be sheathed, or else we will fall on it ourselves, since it will be directed inward.

That's why I think our next President will have to be skilled in negotiation and getting out of war.

Further on in the paper:

THE FACE BEHIND A MOTHER'S PAIN:

Article on Casey Sheehan."I think he definitely is one who lived his life through a higher calling. He knew there was something big he was supposed to be a part of and definitely worked his way to his goals."

I might be that Cindy's reward for her efforts on behalf of our country and her courage will be rewarded with the memorializing of her child as a symbol of a new anti war movement. We can look at his chart. See what comes up.
Rosa Parks' action is said to be the spark of the whole Civil Rights Movement. Could it be the same here?

For every BIG turning point in history, there is a
HUGE defining moment, that shakes the world like
an earthquake termor. For example, Rosa Parks action on the bus for civil rights, Mahatma Gandhi
's salt march for India's independence etc.In the
same vein, I sense/feel, like the sixth sense that
Cindy Sheehan's actions now in crawford and later
in DC and the ensuing Sept.24th. will doom the theives' hold onto WHouse and bring about their
humpty dumpty big DOWNFALL, if nothing else will.

jm,
When I wrote the above, I had not read your blog, where you mention Rosa Park. After I finished my blog, I read yours and such an eerie coincidence, you had mentioned the same event(even the word
'action' after Rosa Park)

Really Raj? Oh, Oh! It sounded like a perfect in step musical rhythmical call and response.

I'm in love with life.
Thank you Raj.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/08/14/wiran14.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/08/14/ixnewstop.html

Iran 'kept EU talking' while it finished nuclear plant
By Colin Freeman
(Filed: 14/08/2005)

An Iranian foreign policy official has boasted that the regime bought extra time over its stalled negotiations with Europe to complete a uranium conversion plant.

In comments that will infuriate EU diplomats, Hosein Musavian said that Teheran took advantage of the nine months of talks, which collapsed last week, to finish work at its Isfahan enrichment facility.

Dear Jo... I don't believe I could EVER be tired of hearing about Miss Cindy Sheehan. It would be like getting tired of breathing ionized fresh air (of which we all have precious little), or drinking fresh cold water (again, precious little), or tired of messing with good loamy earth growing good nurishing honest vegetables. I hope to hear more & more of Miss Sheehan's voice thruout endless weeks as a most important incessant Still Small Voice within... getting louder & louder... heralding deep permanent change in collective consciousness. Blessed Be.

You're right Joanna, that voice is getting louder and louder... but this woman is so calm, so quiet. This excerpt from codepink blog, today:

"...The first question of the morning pool came from a young soldier who had just returned from Iraq. He was polite, addressing her as Ms. Sheehan. Surrounded by cameras he told her he was sorry for her son's death, he said he had lost many friends in the Iraq War also. "Death is a part of war and what we are doing is more important, bringing freedom to the world. Think of all the people who died for the freedom we enjoy. So your son's life is just a drop in the bucket."

Those of us standing behind the cameras gasp, but Cindy's face continued to listen to him calmly and openly. Forced by the gasp he quickly said "but I feel for your son."

At this moment Cindy put her arm on his shoulder and holding him to her side they walked out into the field together, she asked the press to give them some privacy. They honored her in a way that I have never seen before, they were still shooting photos as the 2 walked away. Cindy drew the young man close like a mother, they spoke for about 5 minutes during which the shift in his feeling was palpable. He stepped away and pulled a book he had written about his experiences in Iraq and gave it to her. Then they hugged a long deep embrace, you could see the conversation continuing.

She walked back towards us and the press as he left. Yet again, this woman had made me cry with her strength her love and her courage (oh I forgot to mention everyone else in the camp had tried to keep this young man from confronting her). As we walked back to our make shift office in Casey's camper I was pouring my heart out in awe of her, she stopped me and said "do you know what that young man said as we were hugging? He said his mother agrees with me. She told him that if he had been killed in Iraq she would have done the same thing ...and then he called me Mom."

http://www.codepink4peace.org/article.php?id=451

The War Prayer

Outraged by American military intervention in the Phillipines, Mark Twain wrote this (dictated it actually, in 1904)in advance of his death in 1910 and sent it to Harper's Bazaar. The women's magazine rejected it for being too radical, and it wasn't published until after Mark Twain's death, when World War I made it even more timely. During his writing career, he had criticized perhaps every type of person or institution either living or dead. But this piece was just a little too hot for his family to tolerate. Since they believed the short narrative would be regarded as sacrilege, they urged him not to publish it. However, Sam was to have the last word, and even the word after that. Having directed it to be published after his death, he said,

"I have told the truth in that... and only dead men can tell the truth in this world."

It first appeared in Harper's Monthly, November 1916.

I post a link to it here... but warn you, if you have never before read it, that it is quite graphic... one can understand why the family felt in 1904 it would not be accepted. Like some other writings (the Bill of Rights for one) if you xeroxed it and passed it around to your neighbors they would probably lock you up. If, however, you know of a brother or cousin or nephew who is thinking of enlisting in the military... send a copy of Twain's War Prayer...

http://www.lnstar.com/mall/literature/warpray.htm

WV,

Frank Rich has a new piece up:

August 14, 2005
Someone Tell the President the War Is Over
By FRANK RICH

LIKE the Japanese soldier marooned on an island for years after V-J Day, President Bush may be the last person in the country to learn that for Americans, if not Iraqis, the war in Iraq is over. "We will stay the course," he insistently tells us from his Texas ranch. What do you mean we, white man?

http://tinyurl.com/bp8kz

A freeper, tagged "snitchie," whom I've chastized frequently on a UK thread since dyselection 1999, posted:

AN OPEN LETTER TO CINDY SHEEHAN

Regarding your protest outside of Crawford, Texas, and your many statements regarding the death of your son, Casey, and against the war in Iraq, where your son was fighting for his country and died in that war, I have this to say to you.

Yours is the most despicable, shameless, disgusting spectacle I have ever seen from any mother. Do you not care that you are shaming and sullying the memory of your brave, patriotic son? After reading about your "protest" and your long history against the war in Iraq and this President, it is clear to me, and, I believe, to any other objective, reasoned individual, that you are clearly doing this to your son's memory for you own purely anti-American political purposes and for your own stage. [blah, blah...] http://www.jeffhead.com/cindysheehan.htm

***

Note how bad sons go after their Mothers in fear & rage... he demands a quiet & compliant tittie upon which to latch his sharp teeth thruout his whole life... he refuses to grow up. Using Humpty-Dumpty's Wall as a metaphore for Mother's Lap, the foundation of "rulership"... the Throne... we see that when She's "had it up to here!!" & stands up!! ...Lap disappears & Humpty-Dumpty crashes to the ground. Mr Over-wheening Arrogant Biggity discovers he's just a messy little scrambled egg after all.

Saaaay, snitchie... the hyperbolic demonizing is more than ennui. Vets really don't like having their Mothers demonized. As a member of Code Pink, I've heard more than a few say so directly. They're more than disgusted & crabby about it. But you wouldn't hear that. You're one of them 14-armchair chickensh*ts... armchairs sturdy enuf to hoist up your tons of pink supremacist flabby-flesh while others suffer & die at your rah-rahs. No true marine would give you a first look except to punch your arrogant lights out. ;O) Mother is the Name they cry out as they lay dying on a battlefield... not bushaholic, or some similar destructive old wargeezer.

Your cult leader ain't America... it is, in fact, a bizarre fly-by-night unelected temp employee that will, one day, end up before the World Court for Crimes Against Humanity... & Mothers.

Go, Joanna... thanks for posting his addy, I'll give him a piece of my 'beautiful mind'!!!

Do not miss this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/14/opinion/14rich.html?pagewanted=2

PRESIDENT BUSH, SHAMEFUL . . .

"It's hard to know, but I think that Harry Truman would have met Cindy Sheehan. I think that Dwight Eisenhower would have. He knew about military sacrifice -- the horror and complexity of it . . .

I think that Carter would be out there with her. I'm really not sure about Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon -- though a hunch tells me that Johnson would have been out there before Nixon and Kennedy.

Ronald Reagan would have stopped his car, if for no other reason that to hold Cindy Sheehan for a few moments, to express the regrets of a nation that her son was lost, and to thank her -- even though he might not have made her and many of us believers in this war.

Bill Clinton would have had Cindy in to the ranch and made a summit of it.

George Bush drove by. . .on the way to a fundraiser. Shameful.

He should have stopped, made a gesture -- even if she stood on the opposite side of his policies.”

Steve Clemons Aug 12, 2005 http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/

I am completely shocked and amazed that the "genius" of Karl Rove and the high handlers around Bush could have possibly made such an incredible, stunningly stupid political blunder. They should have had Bush driving his truck down that road with food and water and asking Cindy plus a couple of friends up to the house with cameras rolling. He has now turned Cindy into an international tragedy, the very face of a mother's grief, and on top of it, the added benifit of Bush showing his arrogance and ego. She is out there in that heat seeing, talking to, hugging pro-war protesters and the cameras are rolling. But George, he isn't like the "people" he is rich and he is President of the United States and he cuts brush and rides bikes and the Secret Service protects him from the masses, don't want to come close to those people. They have had money and power to protect themselves, but they are not close to being politically astute. Even his father would have been down there.

And it's a good thing it wasn't, Miss Sally. ;O)

This is why I am such a firm believer in the cosmic orchestration. You might even call it "intelligent design"!

It's why I am fascinated by the nodes of the Moon and have studied them intently for a long time. The lure of the South can be fatal to the fulfillment of potential. And yet, the North can operate subconsciously through it all. The North holds so much promise.

I always thought George's dictatorial ambitions were doomed simply because of his South Node in the fifth. And his Pluto in Leo on the Ascendant has driven him to seek his own impossible destiny. With a twelfth house like he has, and planets in the first quadrant, he should have stepped off the stage this lifetime and gone inward to seek spiritual redemption.
With his North Node in the 11th in Gemini conjunct Uranus, he should have uultimately been a progressive humanitarian. Brotherhood of Man to the maximum. With a fine Moon/Jupiter conjunction in Libra trining.

But lo and behold, he's doing just that now. By refusing to see Cindy with all his pompous, hubris drenched Leo, he has actually set off a dramatic response in the collective. Had he met with her, it would have been over immediately, but maybe some cosmic force has influenced this moment to the benefit of this human family. The world is watching and knows. And there is a chance that from all of this we could redeem ourselves to a degree, reveal our failure, humility and sorrow, and recapture the lost love that the North Node in Leo of our country naturally attracts. As Saturn crosses that point. Rather than pretend to bring democracy to others with our South Node in Aquarius, we can turn our attention to our natural light and let it shine. The tendency for others around the world to admire us will always be there. Would that we could use it wisely.

Another thing that crossed my mind is that George in all his destruction might be trying subconsciously to destroy all that his father and his family has built. Another plus for mankind.

Also, I hope that rather than soak the town square with the blood of our fallen kings, we could leave the condemnation to the forces of justice and go forward with a more majestic behavior.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/14/opinion/14rich.html?th&emc=th

Someone Tell the President the War Is Over

By FRANK RICH
LIKE the Japanese soldier marooned on an island for years after V-J Day, President Bush may be the last person in the country to learn that for Americans, if not Iraqis, the war in Iraq is over. "We will stay the course," he insistently tells us from his Texas ranch. What do you mean we, white man?

A president can't stay the course when his own citizens (let alone his own allies) won't stay with him. The approval rate for Mr. Bush's handling of Iraq plunged to 34 percent in last weekend's Newsweek poll - a match for the 32 percent that approved L.B.J.'s handling of Vietnam in early March 1968. (The two presidents' overall approval ratings have also converged: 41 percent for Johnson then, 42 percent for Bush now.) On March 31, 1968, as L.B.J.'s ratings plummeted further, he announced he wouldn't seek re-election, commencing our long extrication from that quagmire.

More...

Oh gosh shy, my apologies for reposting the same article. I saw it and then forgot that I had seen it here.

Judy Johns, the moderator of the Yahoo PA Group, posted the following birth date for Cindy Sheehan:

Cindy Lee Sheehan was born July 10, 1957 in Bellflower, CA
She currently lives in Vacaville, CA

Source: http://www.Peoplefinders.com

diary at dKos...

"...My mother, who is 83, is a lifelong Republican voter, moderate in politics but as staunch a Republican as Bob Barr. I don't talk politics with her much because I just try to get along. I am visiting her this week, and during lunch she told me that 2004 marked the first time in her life that she has not voted for the Republican presidential candidate. Presumably, in every election starting in 1940, she has voted for the Republican. She rips Bush like a Kossack charger in a blood rage.

I was shocked at the depth of her hatred for Bush.

This is the background to her suggestion, which I am passing along to all of you.

She has been following the Cindy Sheehan story closely, and is completely supportive of her.

The title of my diary "Women wearing black", is her suggestion for an anti-Bush movement: Women who have lost their sons or daughters in Iraq, and those who support them, wearing black in solidarity, grief and anger against Bush.

That's the idea. I think it's a powerful suggestion. So, honor the memory of Casey Sheehan and the other soldiers who have died for Bush's ill-planned fiasco, and remember a lifelong Republican who has charged into battle against Bush.

Put on the black. Put it on and wear it in the streets. Wear it in grief, pride and anger, and hasten the day our preposterous, impostorous clown in chief is held (politically) accountable for his acts."

This young man did not know, but learned from posters, that his mom's idea is in current use... nevertheless, it is an idea... here are links to sites with info on groups of women around the world who are wearing black... and have been for some time...

http://www.womeninblack.net/

http://www.womeninblack.org/vigils/vigils.html

The 13th International Conference of Women in Black will take place in Jerusalem 12-16 August 2005 under the title "Women Resist Occupation and War". Most of the conference sessions will be held in Jerusalem. Part of the conference program will include solidarity site visits in Palestine and a demonstration of our opposition to the occupation.

http://tinyurl.com/bdsge

All:

Remember the story of Passover? An integral part of the story was Pharoah's stubborn refusal to deal with Moses. The result was that the conditions were created for the Israelites to free themselves without any conditions. Had Pharoah had agreed to any terms, Pharoah could have had diffused the situation: freed a few slaves and the rest still waiting for something, something, to happen.

Bush could have agreed to speak to Mrs. Sheehan and then set conditions on the meeting. The situation would have dissipated totally in a one-day wonder. But his obstinance leaves Sheehan free to speak her mind, to rally others for support, and ultimately lead to a true anti-war movement with no compromises and no apologies.

Since Shrub's reinstallation: I always wondered why it happened that way, and it occurred to me a long time ago that the complete responsibility for the debacle resting on the Republican's shoulders may be the most freeing thing yet for the Democrats. Democrats are now left free to completely rebuild as an opposition party without having to compromise or apologize. When the Democrats once again assume their position as a majority party, they will be able to completely jettison the Bush innovations with clean hands.

Arianna's take on Cindy plus comments....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/arianna-huffington/cindy-sheehan-steps-into-_5480.html

Yoo-whoo, wv. Maxine Waters is going to Camp Casey today. Per this TruthOut article:
By Scott Galindez

Sunday 13 August 2005
9:25 AM

I am heading back to Camp Casey now. There is an interfaith service at 10 am. Maxine Waters will be visiting the Camp at 11:30. She will be meeting with the military families, and touring the camp. Stay tuned for more updates.

21 Administration Officials Involved In Plame Leak

http://www.thinkprogress.org/leak-scandal

The cast of administration characters with known connections to the outing of an undercover CIA agent:.....

* Sounds like what we are witnessing down in Crawford TX. And Cindy Sheehan dares to ask the question about the rez... "who's going to take away his license to kill?"

Man thinks 'cause he ["rules the earth"] he can do with it as he please And if things don't change soon, he will. Oh, man has invented his doom, First step was touching the moon.

Now, there's a woman on my block, She just sits there as the night grows still. She say who gonna take away his license to kill?

Now, they take him & they teach him & they groom him for life And they set him on a path where he's bound to get ill, Then they bury him with stars, Sell his body like they do used cars.

Now, there's a woman on my block, She just sits there facin' the hill. She say who gonna take away his license to kill?

Now, he's hell-bent for destruction, he's afraid & confused, And his brain has been mismanaged with great skill. All he believes are his eyes And his eyes, they just tell him lies.

But there's a woman on my block, Sitting there in a cold chill. She say who gonna take away his license to kill?

Ya may be a noisemaker, spirit maker, Heartbreaker, backbreaker, Leave no stone unturned. May be an actor in a plot, That might be all that you got 'Til your error you clearly learn.

Now he worships at an altar of a stagnant pool And when he sees his reflection, he's fulfilled. Oh, man is opposed to fair play, He wants it all & he wants it his way.

Now, there's a woman on my block, She just sits there as the night grows still. She say who gonna take away his license to kill?

- Bob Dylan

****

And the answer to the question?!? "SHE" IS!!!

I never tire of Bob Dylan.

Ohhh Joanna, thank you for bringing that piece. Doesn't it fit so perfectly, for this time, for this woman? White light to Cindy... we hold her in light and love.

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?emx=x&pid=12740

Cindy Sheehan's War

Cindy, Don, and George

On Being in a Ditch at the Side of the Road

Retired four-star Army General Barry McCaffrey to Time Magazine: "The Army's wheels are going to come off in the next 24 months. We are now in a period of considerable strategic peril. It's because Rumsfeld has dug in his heels and said, I cannot retreat from my position."

Cindy Sheehan testifying at Rep. John Conyers public hearings on the Downing Street Memo: "My son, Spc Casey Austin Sheehan, was KIA in Sadr City Baghdad on 04/04/04. He was in Iraq for only 2 weeks before [Coalition Provisional Authority head] L. Paul Bremer inflamed the Shi'ite Militia into a rebellion which resulted in the deaths of Casey and 6 other brave soldiers who were tragically killed in an ambush. Bill Mitchell, the father of Sgt. Mike Mitchell who was one of the other soldiers killed that awful day is with us here. This is a picture of Casey when he was 7 months old. It's an enlargement of a picture he carried in his wallet until the day he was killed. He loved this picture of himself. It was returned to us with his personal effects from Iraq. He always sucked on those two fingers. When he was born, he had a flat face from passing through the birth canal and we called him ‘Edward G' short for Edward G. Robinson. How many of you have seen your child in his/her premature coffin? It is a shocking and very painful sight. The most heartbreaking aspect of seeing Casey lying in his casket for me, was that his face was flat again because he had no muscle tone. He looked like he did when he was a baby laying in his bassinette. The most tragic irony is that if the Downing Street Memo proves to be true, Casey and thousands of people should still be alive."

More....

Another woman speaking out on the death of a loved one...

80-year-old grandmother, Geraldine Comley of Versailles, described herself in an interview as a former Republican stalwart who is "on a rampage" against the president and the war. She said she would like nothing better than to join Cindy Sheehan, the mother of a fallen soldier who has been holding a peace vigil outside President Bush's ranch in Texas.

"When someone gets up and says 'My son died for our freedom,' or I get a sympathy card that says that, I can hardly bear it," Geraldine Comley said.

http://www.catch.com/comments/40766_0_17_0_C/

Acting rez is such "hard work" as ye shall see. ;O)

* bush will `go on with life' - Defends refusal to meet protester http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/wire.ssf?/base/news/1124011285247770.xml&coll=2

They are sick! That phrase "get on with life" is meant to smear her... as though she can't accept the death of her son. Same thing w/ photo of her at Camp Casey in front of cross for her son, surrounded by flowers --- and the d#$@ press, five of them behind her in the photo... Drudge has used the photo front and center to frame the "she's exploiting the death of her son' meme.

These are fascists... black psych ops manipulating b--- I better clean up my language.

I wanted to comment about his exercise and his biking... his 'getting on w/ his life' --- which consists of sleeping 9 hrs. or more every night and exercise... where are those d#$# mountains they're talking 'bout? They're in the plains, on a pig farm... he's going to ride a bike in August in Crawford? Better wear his helmet, he always falls down and gets a boo-boo... anything to get those endorphins goin' I guess...

And what about the journalists? They all ride bikes too? And the physician?

Mad dogs and Englishmen, go out in the Noon day sun...

WhaddaHOOT!!

* News Corp's enemies taste blood

It has already been a long, hot summer for Rupert Murdoch & his News Corpo empire, & it promises to lengthen into an autumn of tension/confrontation. The 73 y/o magnate is under more pressure now than at any time since the credit crunch of the early 90s & some observers of the great man's affairs claim they can discern a 'fin de siècle' atmosphere about the news org.

Andrew Neil, formerly Sun Times editor/chief exec of the Sky satellite TV business, says: 'He is alienating people from one end of the world to the other. I think he cld find himself in big trouble.' ... con't http://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,1548606,00.html

"...prolonged exercise such as cycling or running might trigger the body to release cannabinoids, creating a natural high, according to a recent university study. Cannabinoids, which exist in low levels in human bodies all the time, are in the same general family as THC or TetraHydroCannabinol, the active ingredient in marijuana.

Although endorphins have been credited in popular culture for a runner's high or exercise buzz, scientists have been unable to link that opiate --which the body also creates during physical stress -- to the positive feeling most people report after a good workout."

http://www.freenewmexican.com/sfguide/694.html

Cannabinoids? Very, very interesting, Jo. Thanks much.

If this is to be believed (and of course I want to believe it), the Plame grand jury will continue its work unfettered:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/14/1039/31676

As for Smirky's obsession with biking, running, working out, etc--what else does he have to do?

"A problem, a stalemate, a crime" Cindy doesn't support either the left or the right.

http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/17721

Here is another one Shy.

http://tinyurl.com/dymew

Career prosecutor to supervise Plame probe

On his way out the door, Deputy Attorney General James Comey, who chose junkyard dog Patrick Fitzgerald to run the Plame scandal investigation, has chosen senior junkyard dog David Margolis to supervise Fitzgerald once Comey leaves.

This is truly bad news -- for the bad guys.

Margolis made his prosecutorial bones doing organized crime cases, eventually rising to Chief of the Organized Crime and Racketeering Section of the Justice Department's Criminal Division, from which position he supervised the seventeen Organized Crime Strike Forces which more or less won the war on the Mafia. (That's when I got to know him.) Margolis has a stratospheric IQ, has been known to wear Willie Nelson t-shirts to work, is used to long investigations using somewhat edgy investigative techniques, and can't be intimidated by anybody.

So the risk that Bush would put in a Skull-and-Bones budddy to put a lid on Fitzgerald turns out to have been chimerical.

Last paragraph above edited to eliminate a confusion between Associate Attorney General Robert McCallum, the Skull-and-Bones classmate of GWB who was earlier rumored to be in line to replace Comey as Fitzgerald's supervisor, and Deputy Attorney General nominee Timothy Flanigan. Flanigan will be Margolis's boss, if he ever gets confirmed, which now seems quite unlikely given Flanigan's having hired Jack Abramoff as a lobbyist.

More....

I like Norman Solomon's writings... it's a shame the they didn't add his title to the article, which I read at antiwar.com:

Cindy Sheehan’s Moral Alternative to Bush and Dean

I have been disappointed in Dean's move away from anti-war to 'stay the course' or, endorsement of Kerry's idea to send 40,000 more troops.

I particularly like Solomon's statement that Iraq is NOT a quagmire, it's a CRIME... which I truly believe it is. The invasion was illegal and unnecessary. There was no WMD, no tie between Sadaam and 9/11...

Bush has no intention of leaving Iraq... we've been in Germany for 50+ years, and they don't have any oil. The government is building 14 "Enduring Freedom" bases in the Middle East. What part of 'empire' don't Americans understand. Whomever is (s)elected president in 2008 will continue the present policy of occupying Iraq. imho

Unless of course we have a revolution.

I'm going to take the grands back to North Carolina this Wednesday and meditate between now and then that no harm comes as a result of this "drill" planned for that area. Some are saying it will be 17th - the day I leave for NC.
http://tinyurl.com/8b5wq

After I return home, I'm cleaning out my closets. Dying everything I can black... and get the car tuned up... may have to travel some... to downtown if nowhere else... to remind folks it's time to bring the troops home...

The Strategic Class
Ari Berman

In July 2002, at the first Senate hearing on Iraq, then-Senate Foreign Relations Committee chair Joe Biden pledged his allegiance to Bush's war. Ever since, the blunt-spoken Biden has seized every opportunity to dismiss antiwar critics within his own party, vocally denouncing Bush's handling of the war while doggedly supporting the war effort itself. Biden carried this message into the Kerry campaign as the candidate's closest foreign policy confidant, and a few days after announcing his own intention to run for the presidency in 2008, he gave a major speech at the Brookings Institution in which he criticized rising calls for withdrawal as a "gigantic mistake."

The Democrats' speculative front-runner for '08, Hillary Clinton, has offered similarly hawkish rhetoric. "If we were to artificially set a deadline of some sort, that would be like a green light to the terrorists, and we can't afford to do that," Clinton told CBS in February. Instead, she recently proposed enlarging the Army by 80,000 troops "to respond to threats wherever danger lies."
...
Nearly 60 percent of Americans now oppose the war, according to recent polling. Sixty-three percent want US troops brought home within the next year. Yet a recent National Journal "insiders poll" found that a similar margin of Democratic members of Congress reject setting any timetable. The possibility that America's military presence in Iraq may be doing more harm than good is considered beyond the pale of "sophisticated" debate.

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050829&s=berman

If the birth data for Mrs. Sheehan is correct, on the day her son died (4/4/2004 in Baghdad), transiting Saturn was opposing her moon, and the vertex of the event chart was conjunct her natal Saturn in Sag. Jupiter now opposes by transit the natal Sun of that day, 14 Aries. There are some other "hits," but I don't know how accurate one can be with noon day charts.

Also some interesting tidbits about "burner" days based on the Aztec/Mayan calanders by Bruce Scoffield and Barry Orr. I know them both, and they are very logical, good astrologers. For those who are interested:

http://www.onereed.com

What Now, Karl?

Rove and Ashcroft face new allegations in the Valerie Plame affair

by Murray Waas August 13th, 2005 2:39 PM

Rove consulted on three of Ashcroft’s political campaigns, earning $746,000.

Justice Department officials made the crucial decision in late 2003 to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the leak of the identity of undercover CIA officer Valerie Plame in large part because investigators had begun to specifically question the veracity of accounts provided to them by White House deputy chief of staff Karl Rove, according to senior law enforcement officials. Several of the federal investigators were also deeply concerned that then attorney general John Ashcroft was personally briefed regarding the details of at least one FBI interview with Rove, despite Ashcroft's own longstanding personal and political ties to Rove, the Voice has also learned. The same sources said Ashcroft was also told that investigators firmly believed that Rove had withheld important information from them during that FBI interview.

Those concerns by senior career law enforcement officials regarding the propriety of such briefings continuing, as Rove became more central to the investigation, also was instrumental in the naming of special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald.

more http://tinyurl.com/b8ycz

More Fitzgerald, Rove, and Plame news...

A few minutes ago, the Village Voice posted on its website my latest story on the special prosecutor's investigation of the Valerie Plame affair. Hopefully, it offers the most detailed explanation to date as to why in late Dec. 2003, then-Attorney General John Ashcroft recused himself from further involvement in the case, and also allowed for the appointment of Patrick J. Fitzgerald as the special prosecutor who would take over the matter.

http://www.whateveralready.blogspot.com/

more on my pet peeve issue...arrrrrrrrrgggggh!!!

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0813-29.htm

A graphics artist with no money donated the following for distribution for Cindy:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/8/14/22546/8279

Interesting thread on Gen. Byrnes over at DU:http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4340706#4340723

note post 111, from discerning christian....

anybody got any intuition(s)about August 17th 2005? What does that day look like chart-wise?

Handy scorecard for all 50 states involved with
Gop fraud, from Madsen:

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/scorecard.doc

...and this is how it will end

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0508140343aug14,0,6170500.story?coll=chi-newsopinionperspective-hed

The President had the time today to go to a Little League Baseball game. Here's a new twist on Orwell:

Ambivalence is Strength

Bush doesn't want to go down in history as having micromanaged Iraq as LBJ did with Vietnam. His solution is to pin it on Donald Rumsfeld/Robert McNamara. It's the old Reagan "Don't blame me, I surround by bad eggs" PR move.

Beasley, that was interesting what you wrote on the astrology of Cindy Sheehan. Have you looked at a synopsis of Sheehan and Bush? And Cindy's present transits? I would love to know more.

I can look at these things but don't know how to interpret what I'm seeing.

Good one, Sally.
EW Chamberlain III, indeed.

I think the Dems now have their Ace for the next election. And it's high. We'll see how savvy they are.

Of course; Cindy's sun 18 cancer & MERCURY 26 cancer, are (on/near) Bush's sun & the US sun!, having been traversed by T saturn & the inner planets etc.! SHe is deeply, PERSONALLY, AFFECTED BY the political activity!
The Graphic is GOOD! I have one printed, ready for my car window.
Eric has enjoyed gallavanting around Bangor this week, he ate a lobster at the Muddy Rudder, the other night. His son, ex, & her husband are still there. He ( Trevor's stepfather )is a graphic designer, and an observant, sensitive man I'm happy to report.
Cinnamon, the eclipse cat did a sit-down Sat night!
I've kept her in the studio away from Billy, ( maine coon siamese cat) who possesses, some of the more unattractive of the dominant male traits. She; tired of being isolated, SAT DOWN in the living room, in defiance of him! ( successfully!)
The nursing home where Eric lives is positively "Dickensian!"
The food is appalling! The drugs are strictly controlled, patients are LOCKED IN, NEED A CODE TO GO OUT THE DOOR!!!!!!!!!! If 3 of his bodily functions weren't in need of trained medical personell, I would bring him home in a jiffy minute, but we are too far fromn the hospital! So I will go up to Bangor regularly, and see that he is well fed, with the support of my son-in-law!
We (THEY) are making more people sick with the bad environment, shutting them away in these places, and our young people are going off to nursing school because they can make more money caring for sick people. Artists in this society are extraneous!

Great news on this thread.............hope it develops quickly!

(((((((((((((((Jo)))))))))))) safe trip with the Grands, leave some clothes unblack for the scorcher days! W I B Portland Me, chapter marched with us Oct 26, 2002!
PQ

Good article on Mars in Taurus and going retrograde for a long period:

http://www.starsoveramerica.com/longtermtrends.htm

"I have been disappointed in Dean's move away from anti-war to 'stay the course' or, endorsement of Kerry's idea to send 40,000 more troops." JO, I couldn't agree with you more. What is Democratic 'leadership' thinking at present. They should be at Crawford giving aid and comfort to Cindy as she shows them the way out of this mess. Instead, it's the same old rhetoric from Kerry and Dean(who i've given up on)and lets not even mention that other Clinton. If the Democrats do win mid-term elections, so what? They'll, in the words of Kerry, simply 'do a better job of prosecuting this war' with the end result being the same: more dead Americans and Iraqis and more terrorists with vendettas to settle.

This is an excerpt from e-mail received by a salon TT poster:

"...On Sunday, Maxine Waters came quietly to Camp Casey. She didn't seek media attention, but wanted to meet privately with the vets and military families. They all introduced themselves and told her their stories. She offered condolences to the families whose children were killed in Iraq.

Cindy is a Mother for Peace. Guess what her name 'Sheehan' means? It's an Irish name and it means PEACE! So every time the right wing pundits say 'Sheehan,' little to they realize, they are saying 'Peace'! How fitting and beautiful! As often as you can, in ordinary conversation, repeat her name, Sheehan, Sheehan, Sheehan! and spread the word for PEACE! Cindy (and Casey) have made PEACE a household word!"

((((Pat)))) (((Eric)))

Here's an excerpt from news at Camp Casey:

"...Yesterday, Camp Casey was on high-alert. They were aware that the counter protesters were expected to arrive yesterday afternoon, so everyone was being hyper vigilant. Of key importance to everyone involved with the organization of Camp Casey was the idea that our vigil sitters remain calm and peaceful.
As everyone was going about their business, waiting for the counter protesters to arrive, a man drove up in a huge diesel pickup truck. You know the kind, with the big doolie wheels and such. He parked right in the center of the triangle – right in the space no one from Camp is supposed to be. He parked in such a way that the front end of his truck was facing directly towards the tents where Cindy and the other military families sleep – and where all the crosses of fallen soldiers have been erected.
The man sat in his truck for quite some time while our people looked on and waited to see what he intended. After a while, one of the vets from Camp Casey walked up to the man’s truck and informed him that no one was allowed to park in the triangle. The gentleman identified himself as the father of a fallen soldier. Anne Wright walked up to this man’s truck and began speaking with him through his rolled down window. He told her that he did not support what Cindy and the others are doing at Camp Casey, but he wanted to come and see if his son’s name was on one of the crosses. Anne invited him to come walk the crosses with her. The man got out of his truck and went with Anne to move up and down the rows of crosses, looking together for his son’s name. When they found it, they sat down in front of it, wrapped their arms around each other and cried together."

Just a note that there are Stars of David and Crescent Moons among the Crosses.

"Sheehan = Peace" Jo, that is just too funny. What a way to get the energy of peace on everyone's lips. Even the ones who are against her. I wonder if that's why they have been unable to mount a really vigorous campaign against her message. What a chuckle "Sheehan" the name shot round the world.

I apologize for hogging the broadband - tMerc Rx has moved back into my XI house and while tSun is in my XII and I should be in my normal annual state of reflection, I am driven to gather and propagate. Thankfully, it won't last much longer.

Meanwhile, I must share this with you --- from some of what I have come to discern to be the most brilliant thinkers online:

2006: Dems Will Loose

Bush in Crawford is under siege by Cindy Sheehan and has trouble to keep a balanced life. Rove and now Ashcroft are in ever deeper trouble.

The administration is lowering expectations on Iraq:

"We set out to establish a democracy, but we're slowly realizing we will have some form of Islamic republic," said another U.S. official [..] "That process is being repeated all over."

Cognitive dissonance hamstrings the leadership.

In the population there has been a change in sentiment since the last election. Bush is on record low poll numbers, so is support for the Iraq war. Nearly 60 percent of Americans now oppose the war, according to recent polling. Sixty-three percent want US troops brought home within the next year. The media tide is turning.

This should be the very best moment for an opposition party to take a real lead and call for an end of this expensive adventure and win a significant lead for the next election.

No more flip-flopping like Kerry between being pro-war and anti-war; a call for international consent before going to war; no to a preemptive doctrine that has proven to be catastrophic.

But no, the Democrats leadership has decided to prepare for the next election by courting the arguments they think would have won the last one. The Boston Globe writes:"

See link for more of this long piece:

http://tinyurl.com/bbvtw

Sorry, link above is wrong one, although a good one!

This is the one I meant to post re 2006 Dems Will Lose:

http://tinyurl.com/bac89

This will take you to a transcript of Dean's appearance yesterday on Face The Nation. In the first couple of pages he addresses pull-out from Iraq. As I read it, he doesn't want the US to be there nor to stay there at all, but he does see the need for an orderly withdrawal. Comments?
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/face_81405.pdf

2008 ticket: Waters Conyers!
(((((((((Sheehan))))))))))))))
PQ

* Standoff In Crawford

It seems that Cindy Sheehan's protest is getting more mainstream media attn every day. A story about her vigil landed above the fold in The WaPo on Sat. Joe Biden was asked about Sheehan on Meet The Press yesterday. And the media covered [rez]'s bike-riding snub of Sheehan. ["Our" mega-childish] fearful leader—who has said he doesn't have time to meet with Sheehan—explained his decision to take a 2-hr bike ride as an example of how he is merely trying to "go on" with his life. Sheehan, meanwhile, manages to "go on" with her life, too. She writes a surprisingly uplifting blog entry on HuffingtonPost about the w/e's events: ...
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050815/standoff_in_crawford.php

Wonderful (make you chuckle, make you really cry) collection of photos here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4354298&mesg_id=4354298

ONE OF ED NAHA'S BEST.
How many relatives/ repug friends can we talk out of attending? Would be wonderful if no one attended this party for gouls!

Yes, in the grand tradition of the "Pearl Harbor Polka Party," "The Bataan Death March Mariachi Marathon" and the "Tet Offensive Tango Fest," Rumsfeld has come up with a "celebration" that will offend anybody with a working IQ above that of a single-celled organism.

http://smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=22356&mode=&order=0&thold=
PQ

Interesting to see the coalescing of hopes around the person of Ms. Sheehan.

I would be interested to know how the placement and position of Neptune may figure. I notice that many people on the site and other political sites are investing a lot of hope and laying an almost worshipful mantle on Ms Sheehan, perhaps beyond what can be accomplished or who she is.

Not trying to rain on the progressive parade, but whenever such a large mass of people begin to float strong 6th ray, Neptunian waves, I kind of wonder where the banana peel is.

ONE OF ED NAHA'S BEST.
How many relatives/ repug friends can we talk out of attending? Would be wonderful if no one attended this party for gouls!

Yes, in the grand tradition of the "Pearl Harbor Polka Party," "The Bataan Death March Mariachi Marathon" and the "Tet Offensive Tango Fest," Rumsfeld has come up with a "celebration" that will offend anybody with a working IQ above that of a single-celled organism.

http://smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=22356&mode=&order=0&thold=
PQ

I don't think folks are worshiping Cindy or pinning their hopes on her...

what I am 'seeing' without Neptune's help, is that the entire question about the war has been reframed... from Dubya's WOT (war on a noun, for gawd's sake)... to a real honest to goodness examination by the little people... those who have lost loved ones to this horror... to a 'grieving Mom' --- to family, and how we are being impacted. Poppa is not keeping us safe, he has made more terrorists... Momma on the other hand is asking, why are our children dying? For what purpose. Whether Cindy stays or goes, the question will remain... what, Mr. Bush, is the 'noble cause' for which our children are dying?

Sorry for the double post????????
PQ

Triple sorry.........a trifecta.howdididothat?
I agree Jo. It's the whole picture, people who didn't before, are now starting to see.
PQ

Suji, hope we don't throw any, peels down that is! Her question should be the focus, answer the guestion.

what,Mr. Bush, is the 'noble cause' for which our children are dying?

It's the question that should be on every one's lips and the WE are waiting for an answer not another flimsy democracy manifesto either. Oh right, follow the oil.

Heya, welcome Suji, haven't seen you before. Nope no rain on my parade.

Welcome, Suji. I tend to forget sometimes that Neptune energies have a very positive face... compassion, universal love, poetry, melding together, etc. Another thing it does is initiate the process of dis-illusionment... having our illusions taken away. You're right imo that Miss Sheehan seems to be embodying Neptune energies, & doing so at an extreme prototype. That tells me bushadruggie's trailor-trash kingdom is just as neptunian THE OTHER DIRECTION. Pretty mind-boggling. ;O)

US not only put the pressure on Iraqis to have Constitution completed by today, they waited until a week ago to fly the copy in, to be 'rewritten' in Arabic, you understand. Yes, brothers and sisters, we picked their government, we are rewriting their Constitution. Sound familar? It should, it's modeled after what they're doing to our elections, our Constitution. Now CNN has breaking news that the Iraqis have a little more backbone, than us, they are asking for a 7-10 day delay... and they're making nice with each other... Fallujah is coming in to help with the writing (you remember Fallujah, that city we napalmed?)...

As someone else online says, US will soon have us calling all of the Middle East the "annex" --

btw, have you looked at Ariel Sharon lately, watched his three-card monte? if not, I'll give you a link next post.

Yes indeed... Shy, I love you... and I know you love Ho Ho... I still am counting on him, but just not depending on him... I read his comments on CBS... he is still not asking Bush to give a timetable, and that needs to be asked. He is putting emphasis on OUR involvement in the writing of the Constitution... well, you already have my comments on that...

Most of the world is distracted by the astonishing sight of Jews evicting Jews from illegally occupied land in Gaza. But don't think of Ariel Sharon's "disengagement" plan as a step toward peace.

While the cameras are focused on Gaza, Jerusalem is being rapidly expanded and walled off, shutting out not only Muslims but also Christians.

Meanwhile, Sharon continues to build his "wall"
The occupation is far from over, which means that Israel's security worries will only increase.

Americans for Peace Now (APN), the vibrant but little-publicized U.S. arm of a strong peace movement among Israeli Jews, recently noted plans to build a Jewish neighborhood inside the Muslim Quarter of Jerusalem's Old City.

Judging by coverage in the U.S. press, you'd think that most Israelis are religious fanatics bent on flouting international law by using the Bible to claim land that is not theirs. Not true. They're like us—dominated by a government of zealots and ideologues.

As APN notes, a survey released in late July by Tel Aviv University's Herzog Institute indicated that 57 percent of Israelis believe the settlements in Gaza should have never been created, and 52 percent say those settlements have worsened Israel's security. ....

But don't listen to just those in mad, sad Israel. Lindsey Hilsum writes in the latest issue of the New Statesman:

more at link

http://villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat/archive/001157.php

I'm known about the following for some time now, but didn't want to get branded with 'bashing Israel' --- decided this is under the heading of 'bashing America'...

American base being built in Israel- photos

"You will notice a sign to the left. It says this base will be completed on August 31st 2005. meaning to me that they are in a really big hurry. And we saw heavy equipment working over a very large area. And by the way we guessed this base will cover at least 25 square miles, I think possibly a lot more. It is also prime real estate about ten minutes from the International airport. And right along side the new interstate highway 6 Israel’s new tow road running from Ashdod to Haifa.

As most of you may know Israel just built a new International Airport Terminal. Leaving a very large and very good Airport intact. They tried to tell the public it would be used for domestic use, which makes no sense at all, for the few flights from Tel-Aviv to Eilat and to Haifa. But it would make a really great military base for really large military planes and it is only a few minutes away from this new base.

We could guess for ever what all these buildings could be used for, but I think it is obvious, some are barracks and others are warehouses, but let’s move on to some other things to see. ... "

Incredible- Hello, Iran .. in September?

http://tinyurl.com/dkdkq

smirky's 'so.who're we honorin here?', you know
reminds me of a similar retort by another one, who
also became a laughing stock at that time when he
made a similar question/remark. I'm talking about the general(who passed away last month or so) who
ran on Perot's ticket in 1992 and during the debate asked the audience, 'who am I?', where am I
?, why am I here?' etc.etc.

Found this online:

"there's a drive to send post cards daily to Cindy Sheehan. Our goal is to get her 1,000 postcards a day through the end of August. I've already bought and addressed several dozen, and I'll be dropping at least one in the mailbox daily. I know she's probably overwhelmed, so I'm just jotting short notes (i.e. "You go!" and "We're with you!") on the cards. She might not see them, but others who are standing in the hot Texas sun with her might, and might be heartened. Here's the address:

Cindy Sheehan c/o Crawford Peace House 9142 5th Street Crawford, TX 76638-3037

Let's stand with her."

Well there is a vigil of 60 people in Blue Hill Maine. ( in solidarity with Cindy Sheehan)
Robert Shetterly a local artist has done a portrait of her, & he spoke on the alternative radio station. delaying Democracy Now by 22 min. ( along with others) there will be a vigil in Bar Harbor Weds.
Not many of us here, but we're passionate!
PQ

(((PatQofP))))

According to Cindy's birthday that was posted, she has an absolutely fascinating 29 degree Neptune in Libra. Neptune will be turning direct in October so it's probably already slowing and digging in. The station will occur at 14 degrees trine USA Saturn.

There is nothing deceptive, confused, or hopelessly out of the realm of reality in what Cindy is doing. There has been with the President.

The idea of Neptune being significant could be right but with the coming direct motion, there could very well be a change in its application to collective events.

I just noticed something else. The day Neptune turns direct, Jupiter will be at 29 degrees, exactly conjunct Cindy's Neptune.

Passed on the meaning of Sheehan to the radio station, for the gathering!
Thanks for posting thatJo!
PQ

29 degrees... of expiation...ending of the cycle... hmmm

Found this comment online:

"...On the first (or maybe second) day of Cindy's protest, w sent two reps out to talk to Cindy -- Hadley and someone else whose name I can't remember. When they tried to answer the "noble cause" question, they brought up the fact that millions of Iraqis were able to vote in January. Cindy's answer went something like this -- paraphrasing because I can't find the original quote:

"I carried Casey in my womb for 9 months, I endured X hours of labor to bring him into the world, I changed X number of diapers, sat up with him when he had nightmares, nursed his scrapes and scratches.... Do you think I went through all that so Iraqis could vote?"

I loved that response!

Add to this, our disillusionment with the political process which has aroused the people to take matters into their own hands. Neptune in Aquarius. There is good reason why the pols are out of Cindy's camp and the people are taking over.

Anger at the elected officials is a waste of power at the moment. If we consolidate energy as much as possible and march right past them, giving them less significance in light of the importance of what we are doing, the they will fall in line behind us, if they value their jobs. Give it all a minute, and see where things align. They are potential allies too.

This is OUR country, OUR children, OUR parents. Sit down, stand up, whatever, it is our responsibility.

I found this online also... from a longer comment. It speaks to something I've been thinking about for sometime... how we communicate and exchange thoughts in 'cyberspace'... also, it's signed by "jm" --- is this aworld's "jm"?

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"...I think the blogosphere is vitally important right now in our history as it is so fresh and innovative. We are compelled to spend much of our time and energy here for good reason. We are getting to know one another in an entirely new way, brain to brain without a lot of noise and interference. The silence I believe is one of the most important things we are learning. How to pay attention to others' thoughts. A fantastic start. Without the screaming that ruins everything. We are developing new neural pathways as we use our brains in a different way. We can't stop this initial explosion just yet. We will know what actions are appropriate in due time. And we are watching the rulers intently, monitoring their actions, more ruthlessly than ever. And It looks like the Internet is going to be a highle effective political tool.

We are learning. If some have doubts as to the amount of time they are on the Internet, they can go elsewhere. But that's probably not where the power is right now. There is a calling in cyberspace and we are responding. It is too soon to judge it. We are mobilizing, collecting our thoughts, not running into the streets in panic, soothing one another when we can, teaching, learning, and preparing. The brotherhood of man has to start somewhere and will grow in infinitessimal increments. We are learning to govern ourselves.
Patience."

Posted by: jm | August 14, 2005 06:21 PM | #
at Billmon http://tinyurl.com/bbvtw

Yes'm.

It's a match made in heaven with USA Mars in Gemini. Word as sword.

Pluto just did its magic on this Mars, destroying the media as we knew it and giving us mass communication in the blogosphere in its place. We are fortunate.

Gemini winged messengers, such as you, Jo, are so intergral to this process, as you fly from here to there delivering messages non-stop. The importance of each one is sifted out later. The information is vital. Mars in Gemini WILL get it.

Can't stop.

Pluto brings death and rebirth. While all this destruction has surrounded us, birth of the Baby Blogosphere occurred. It is up to us to take responsibility for this infant, to nurture it well, and be as absolutely genuine and truthful as possible.
Pluto in Sagittarius simply wants us to tell the truth. The lies around us have given this prime importance. It's all connected.

One more very important point.

As the corporate takeover of the media became complete, as a reaction, this treasure came out of the people's need. The real test is ahead as energy mounts and money follows. It is up to us to resist the inevitable attempt at corporate takeover here. As Pluto transits Capricorn and destroys the corporate stranglehold, they will be desperate, and we have to be on guard.

The more we fund it ourselves, the more power we retain. The temptation will be great, but this is our chance to battle the corporate rulership and win.

We should put our money where our mouths are.

Wise words jm.

Astrologically.........I can't see an easily apparent reason for
such a sweeping change in her life???? ANy one else?
FAIRFIELD, Calif. - The husband of Cindy Sheehan, the California mother camped outside President Bush's ranch in Texas to protest the death of a son who was killed while serving with U.S. forces in Iraq, filed for divorce, according to court documents.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050815/ap_on_re_us/peace_mom_divorce%3b_ylt=A9FJqZwDIwFDFT0BZAhvzwcF%3b_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
PQ

And this goes well with Sally's article!

Cenk Uygur: 'What Fox News Channel would have done
to Rosa Parks'

O'Reilly: "Rosa Parks claims she speaks for all of the African-Americans in the South, but in fact, we have found two African-Americans who say they disagree with her. They say she's just trying to gain publicity and doesn't speak for anyone in her race. They would know, they're black."

http://smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=22353&mode=&order=0
Be sure to read the comments underneath too!
PQ

The death of a child is often followed by divorce of the parents. This is a private matter, as she has said herself. They are attempting to kill the messenger... smear and fear, that's all they know.

Someone showed an aspect upthread --- here it is, Pat QofP,

"Cindy's sun 18 cancer & MERCURY 26 cancer, are (on/near) Bush's sun & the US sun!, having been traversed by T saturn & the inner planets etc.! SHe is deeply, PERSONALLY, AFFECTED BY the political activity!"

She is consumed? by this need to have Bush answer, or not, at least to make the effort...

My heart goes out to her... I admire what she is doing... with so much grace.

jm,

your comments at Billmon were most interesting to me... particularly:

"...how to pay attention to others' thoughts. A fantastic start. Without the screaming that ruins everything. We are developing new neural pathways as we use our brains in a different way."

It's so very true. One has to 'listen' very carefully, there's no body language, no smile, no frown. Neither is there skin color, gender, age or religion.

I appreciate your vision... it brings hope.

Laurie, Thanks for your questions re Mrs. Sheehan's chart because they spurred me on to look further. Mrs. Sheehan has a Ceres which sits right on top of Shrub's Uranus/North Node in his 11th house. That combination is now being opposed by a Pluto transitin Shrub's 5th. According to Demetra George in her book on Asteroids, Pluto/Ceres aspects often bespeak of death themes. If you put her noon time placidus chart around Shrub's natal chart, that opposition sits right on his 5th/11th house (Sag/Gemini)of peers/children. So at the very least, her Ceres is activating and rattling his Uranus/North Node in Gemini with unexpected communications from the press, his peers...with a sort of "revolutionary," unexpected twist. Add to that, transiting Pluto now opposing all that energy and hitting his 5th house of Sag on his South Node/Vertex. A fated encounter indeed, of a different sort of faith.

The unexpected, shake up theme is further articulated by her natal Uranus being at 6 Leo right on the cusp of his rising sign. Kind of like a fire cracker up his ass ( whoops, nose). And her natal Venus/Mars conjunction in his first house touching his devious Mercury/Pluto conjunction and opposing his own Natal Ceres at 12 Aquarius! Ha! Ceres, Ceres, Ceres. She wins.

Add to that what Jo said ( I think it was Jo) her Sun/Mercury in Cancer sitting very near to his Equatorial Ascendent (his health) and his not so nice Saturn in the 12th. Her Mercury will tell the rest of us about his Saturn. Her Sun will illuminate his 12th house to the world.

And that's just for starters...

You go Beasley, I like the sound of that... though it was my post, the words were Pat QofP's.

I love the last part of your analysis,

"Her Sun will illuminate his 12th house to the world."

((((Beasley))))

Cindy Sheehan has asked supporters to start candlelight vigils in their communities to support her and call for an end to the war, this Wednesday night, August 17th.

http://gaelicstarover.blogspot.com/2005/08/local-vigils-for-peace.html

Whoops, Pat QOP! Yes, it WAS You. Thanks.

And still white light to you and Eric...daily.

Thank you Beasley! I didn't have time today to root through the drawer for George's chart!
That was a very satisfactory analysis of the situation.
especially the last sentence.
We have 10 or more vigils planned onup & down the coast here, unfortunately none in Bangor yet...............
maybe I can change that!
PQ

Go vote--you'll enjoy the results:

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050815090909990001&ncid=NWS00010000000001

AND
HER natal Saturn sqares his natal Mars. Yeah!

Place her Saturn around his chart. It falls in the 5th house of children, speculative exploits, etc., etc. It will give his Mars a realistic "hard" time. Take that, you "war time" pretzel!

Amazing, Beasley! Excellent work!! You rock!

There's a report over at DU that some guy in a truck came by and ran over all the crosses at Camp Casey. They are supposed to have pictures soon. I dunno. Just telling you what I read. What a jerk!

Truth Out is reporting the same thing shylurker, that the crosses were mowed down. Too bad for that, that redneck just helped keep it all alive for several more days and just as Mercury is going direct. If there is anything that looks worse than ignoring a grieving mother, it's mowing down crosses. That will recharge sympathy and should drive more people to the Wednesday night vigil. There are three sites in my area just within a 4 mile radius and looks like they are all full. This is an incredible juxtaposition of hate vs. love. I will put my money on love, at least it's a start.

Thanks.
You should hear blowhard O'Reilly call Mrs. Sheehan a liar. That she has changed her tune since she first talked to Bush, that she is a woman with an agenda...that she is a far leftist...a left wing nut...now maybe "emotionally unbalanced." "She's in bed with Michael Moore," and she is a way out freak because she now is saying Israel should get out of Palestine and America out of Iraq and then maybe terrorism will stop.

Incidentally, Joe Trippi is an idiot because he really didn't get clear rebutting O'Reilly. He just kept pounding party line. FINALLY, Trippi said something interesting to O'Reilly:

O'Reilly: Which is it Mr. Trippi? She first said Mr. Bush is a good man and seriously interested in our trooops, and now she is calling the President a liar and a murderer. You can't have it both ways Mr. Trippi. She's was either lying then, or she is lying now.

Mr. Trippi: Yes, you can have it both ways, and she isn't lying.

Just reported at DU that the truck and driver have been apprehended.

The thing I forgot to say was that "good ole boy" knocked those crosses down when Mercury had stationed ready to go direct (or already direct depending on the time) when Mercury stations to go retrograde or direct is a very powerful time and indicates that we have a whole new ballgame. This is about to morph out of control, and it would be in Bush's best interest to mosey on down there and extend his apologies. The media is not going to be able to stop the people who gather to support Cindy.

While waiting for news on Camp Casey and the crosses, I learned that Phyllis Schlafly (sp) is 81 today. Oh, well . . .

Only the good die young.

Cap'n Sally, you were right-on about the Merc going direct, I rekkin. This group is planning on making a caravan to Camp Casey early next week:

http://www.moveamericaforward.org /

That's just great! Meanwhile, I'm sure Smirky is hard at work.

Add to that Sally, is the fact that Pluto has just gone into the degree where it will make its station and go direct. The Moon was there today. Thus the religious imagery. And the hypocrisy. The people must be getting an inkling by now. This devout Christian leader? My word. This mowing of crosses sent shivers through me.

Jo, you said exactly what I've always thought. That this cyberspace conversation frees us from our prejudice.

Mr. Bush just did a fine Houdiniesque escape act while Saturn was in his 12th. Looks like it's over. His 40th or so vacation is hardly a retreat.

Over here in beautiful Suzhou where it is as hot and humid as Houston, I am catchng up to yesterdays news.

I must make a short comment on Dean. I have just scanned the transcripts. Yes, you do need a plan to retreat, a military manuever which should be carried out in an orderly manner to save lives or you have the fall of Saigon or Napoleon at Moscow. It is just as important to have a get of the country plan as it is to have a invade a country plan. It may be more important. How many people? How many seats on your planes or ships? How much fuel? What are you going take with you and what are you leaving behind? If you do not have a plan it will be a massacure. So do we have generals who know how to retreat. Probably not. In the Punic Wars, Fabian retreated to victory over Hannibal. Unlikely to repeated by a Rumsfield. If you are planning an invasion you must plan a retreat and a end as well. Bush and Rumsfled have never had a plan. Karl Rove is the only one in the bunch who can even think there might be a need for a plan and he could not make a real plan. I think they are trying to get rid of the generals who can think and plan. They did not use them in the war and they really believe that Halliburton can with draw up a retreat plan in a couple of days. It would take a group of intelligent generals a few months longer to do it well.
I must tell you retreat is sometimes more dangerous than invasion.!!!!!!!!!
Dean is telling you the truth. You should listen. He read history in school along with evolution and all those boring math and science classes. Wars do not just stop like changing a tv channel.
Make the world a safer place. Hire more history teachers and fewer football coaches. The view from China.bjt

Great to hear from you, Betsy. I fear the abandonment of Iraq will be far more horrendous than the retreat from Saigon. Scares me!

Can't sleep... if some redneck can run down rows of crosses, someone can do harm to them in their tents. Have you ever slept in a tent? In the heat of August in Texas? Through rain?

My sister and I slept in a CCU waiting room one night in wooden chairs... we didn't know if our Dad would make it through the night... and last summer the boys and I slept in the tree house on an air mattress... that was an experience! But I've never camped out for a week in the hot sun with fire ants (they got into Cindy's tent one night, she had to move to the Peace Center)and portapotties. Yesterday a.m., about 5:30, 14 SS trucks/SUVs came by with their horns going...

Yeah, I'm having a hard time resting in my comfy bed, with the a/c going... and the quiet of the woods...

I think Cindy is in an altered state, and protected. She's lost everything and is at the bottom of her Wheel of Fortune. She has nowhere to go but up. And she will. This reminds me so much of the trials of a spiritual quest.

You need the quiet of the woods, Jo.

http://salon.com/opinion/feature/2005/08/16/mother/print.html

The mother of all battles
Cindy Sheehan has almost single-handedly launched an American anti-war movement. And in the process, she's exposed a president's feet of clay.

.................

http://salon.com/opinion/feature/2005/08/15/bush_lbj/print.html

The hollow man
Bush's inability to feel the pain of others -- highlighted by Cindy Sheehan's peace vigil -- is a stark contrast to the anguish LBJ felt over casualties in Vietnam.

With a 29 degree Neptune I can easily see martyrdom in this woman and a search for redemption.

But we are all involved, and now we have a responsibility.

Haven't been posting lately but just wanted to chime in briefly ..... Cindy must be really making the global corporate media buzz - I was most surprised to see her mentioned in our big corporate owned tiny little local paper here in rural NZ. Hmmmmmmmmm.

August 31st - Every planet is connected to at least 1 other planet
today. Sun to Uranus, Moon to Saturn, Mercury to Pluto, Venus to Mars,
Jupiter, and Neptune. A surprise adjustment is required at a socially
awkward moment for those touched by this chart. Mars in Taurus can
cling to a dumb idea, think he's right, and refuse to admit error.
Nothing is simple since everything leads to something else.

http://www.celestialweather.com

The 2000 Grand Conjunction of Jupiter/Saturn (our 20 year clock) in May 2000 was at 22 Taurus, Mars goes Retrograde this year at barely a degree past that conjunction, plus barely a degree away from the 2001 Inaugural Saturn. Some frustrated anger building here. Mars will go back and forth in Taurus until nearly February. At various times over the next few months, firey Mars will square Transiting Saturn, oppose Transiting Jupiter (when Jupiter goes into Scorpio) square Transiting Neptune. Mars is going to be slapping us all around. No help from his big Daddy Pluto, they are going to inconjunct, confusion as to how power should be used or displayed. Timing off with that aspect. As soon as I can I will write more later tomorrow (after work) in the meantime, I am putting up a new thread.