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The Albatross
Like the albatross that hung heavily around the neck of the Ancient Mariner, the second Gulf War, borne in deceit and managed with criminal stupidity, hangs mercilessly around the neck of the Bush administration. In Coleridge’s famous poem, the albatross appears as a divine messenger, sent to a ship of suffering sailors in the ruthless, icy-winded North, to bring them back to their true path on a warm and friendly sea. In a moment of thoughtlessness and hubris, however, the Ancient Mariner shoots and kills the albatross, bringing instead a long nightmare of death and destruction to the hapless ship. In the aftermath of 9/11, the goodness of the world rose up, like the heavenly-sent albatross in the poem, to bring its blessing to America during her darkest hour, offering a window of opportunity for healing and for the furtherance of worldwide unity and justice, as well as a possibility for a united stand against the viciousness of terrorism. But George Bush shattered that window with his invasion of Iraq just as surely as the Ancient Mariner shot the albatross with his crossbow, and now he, like the Mariner, carries the choking weight of his misdeeds amidst the death and destruction of what he has wrought. As things stand now in Iraq, the insurgency is growing stronger and its weapons more deadly. This is clearly demonstrated by the recent surge in casualties and the expansion of targets to include Shiite civilians and politicians. The country totters dangerously on the brink of civil war, if it has not already fallen off the cliff. Uranus is the planet of sudden, disruptive, and explosive transformation, as well as the planet of rebellion against perceived domination and tyranny. Very active in the 1921 Iraqi chart during the past few years, Uranus’ recent movement gives a pretty clear indication of how events in the Second Gulf War have unfolded thus far. First, during the initial invasion, Uranus opposed the Iraqi Sun and squared its MC, both symbolic of the country’s ruler. Saddam was deposed and the ruling elite torn from power during this early transit. This phase ended when Saddam was captured during the final crossing of Uranus opposite the Iraqi Sun in December 2003. During most of 2004 through January 2005, Uranus hovered around the Descendant of the Iraqi chart, thus opposing the Ascendant, and continuing its enormously disruptive influence, including significant chaos and pockets of enraged rebellion. Now, in its final phase, Uranus is conjunct its natal place in the Iraqi chart, and the deeper yearnings of the people for freedom, both from the occupation and from any perceived oppression by fellow Iraqis of a different sect, is being loudly proclaimed by the increasing intensity of the insurgency. In 1861, the US Civil War began with a “Uranus return” in the US chart followed by a transit of Uranus across the Descendant. Currently, the potential for an Iraqi civil war is marked by the same planetary aspect. The crossing of Uranus to natal Uranus in the Iraqi chart will continue through the first half of January 2006, with particular intensity coming between late August and September 22, 2005 and December 7, 2005, through January 10, 2006. These may be particularly agitated times in Iraq, with demands for freedom and self-determination coming from all quarters. The level of instability and rebellion may not begin to diminish until after mid-January, 2006. Besides the Iraqi chart, the chart for the Second Gulf War has been an important indicator of conditions in the past two years. In particular, it points to the ongoing power struggles, lack of coherence, and missteps that have hounded the war from its inception. In an article written on March 21, 2003, just after the war began, I wrote: The chart for Gulf War II is drawn for when the first bombs were dropped, on March 20, 2003, at 5:33 AM in Baghdad. The most significant feature in this chart is the Pluto conjunction with the Midheaven opposing the Saturn conjunction with the Nadir, suggestive of an overwhelming power taking full and brutal control of the situation, polarized by the crushing sorrow, suffering, and sullen resistance at its roots – the Iraqi people… …The VOC Sun position here suggests that the thrust of war could lead to unexpected and unwanted results. It is as if the goal (Sun) of the chart is no longer anchored in an organized and logical reality. There is an inherent weakness or flaw in the entire venture that can lead to a weakened, confusing, or disjointed outcome. In addition, the 29-degree Pisces Sun squares the Pluto /Saturn opposition mentioned above. Thus, the goals of the war (the Sun) are continually in a tension relationship with the US military aggression and assumption of power (Pluto/MC), as well as with the suffering and intense resistance of the people (Saturn/IC). Currently, the Gulf War chart suggests a continuation of the intense battle for dominance and the vicious power struggles that accompany it through at least through November 2005, while transiting Pluto concludes its year-long opposition to Gulf War Saturn followed by its crossing of progressed Gulf War Midheaven. The situation is then further complicated by the difficulties described in the chart for the election of the National Assembly, drawn for January 30, 2005. The coming Saturn station will be exactly opposite the Sun in the National Assembly chart from October 9 through December 23, 2005. This could indicate that there is an extreme impasse as the year wanes regarding either the impending Iraqi constitution or some other serious difficulty encountered by the National Assembly. In addition, the very incendiary Pluto/Mars conjunction in National Assembly chart will, for the first time, be exact by transit during all of December 2005, indicating the potential for a huge, angry rupture in December. It should be pointed out that this is simultaneous to the final phase of the Uranus return in Iraq’s chart (rebellion) mentioned above, that runs from December 7, 2005 through January 10, 2006 Conceivably, somewhere on or around January 11, 2006, after weeks of struggle and unending turf battles, things will calm down as these transits pass and the next phase in Iraq begins to take a clearer form. Beginning in Spring 2006, Uranus will strike again, but this time not in the Iraqi chart but in the US chart, square to the Ascendant, from late March through early September 2006. This suggests something unexpected and powerful will change the direction of US policy around that time. One indication of what this might mean comes from the transit of Uranus across the Ascendant of the Gulf War chart from April 28 through July 1, 2006. This would seem to indicate a very dramatic shift in the activities of the war, including the potential for a huge evacuation of American soldiers. Simultaneously, George Bush will be under the final phase of Saturn crossing his Ascendant, Mercury, and Pluto, from May 21 through July 4, indicating the president is pursuing policies that are not to his liking but may be taking into account some hard cold realities on the ground. The third planetary configuration of interest during this period is the Pluto transit quincunx Inaugural IC/solar arc progressed Saturn, from early May through the first half of June 2006. The Inaugural IC/solar arc Saturn progression, from February 2006 through February 2007, indicates a sense of failure in the administration and a deep sense of loss. This will be triggered by the Pluto quincunx in May and June. Given Bush’s rather painful acknowledgement of reality and enforced contraction of goals (Saturn/Ascendant/Mercury), the sense of failure in the administration (Saturn/Inaugural IC), and the major transformation and shift in the Gulf War chart (Uranus/Ascendant), it could well be that Bush is forced out of Iraq by the newly created government and left with a huge sense of defeat regarding his long term goals and the loss of those much-desired military bases on Iraqi soil. The final phase of our departure from Iraq could well be from January to March 2007 when Uranus crosses the Gulf War chart Ascendant for the final time, squares the US Ascendant for the final time, and the Gulf War progressed Moon crosses Pluto and then the Midheaven of the chart, the latter aspect being a sure sign of change.
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Beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. Posted by: Janet on August 9, 2005 02:49 AMWonderful column, Nancy. The albatross analogy is so good....... Posted by: Teg on August 9, 2005 03:01 AMDay after day, day after day, Water, water, everywhere, I've missed it over here. I have been so busy with mynew blog I haven't had time to come and visit. What is interesting in the albatross story is that it is actually a story of redemption. When the Mariner sees some fish (after everyone else has died on the ship) he feels great love for God and His creations, and then all the dark energy changes and the Mariner is redeemed. The albatross falls off from around his neck. This, of course, is where the story divereges from Bush, who would never be able to take the huge steps (deeds of real love for humanity) necessary to heal what he has broken. Posted by: Nancy on August 9, 2005 03:15 AMnancy, the comparisoin of bush to the captain who shoots the albatros is such a powerful metaphor, i'm nearly at a loss for words. beautiful and chilling at the same time, it is magnificent! when all is said and done, we will have fought this war of aggression to ensure that the iraqi people have a moslem fundamentalist government for decades. one of the ironies will be the role of women. under saddam, women were actually allowed to engage in the world of commerce and there were several interesting businesses run by women. they were looking forward to more fredom under our rule. someone forgot to tell them that iraq would have the muslim equivalent of "the promise keepers" from our land. sorry about that. you said: "Beginning in Spring 2006, Uranus will strike again, but this time not in the Iraqi chart but in the US chart, square to the Ascendant, from late March through early September 2006. This suggests something unexpected and powerful will change the direction of US policy around that time." i suspect all us policy. bush is a terribly wounded leader right now. he's dropping fast and the macro view of the economy is not that bad. i guess people are sick and tired of the lies. the newsweek story shows that now even the wash. post company (owner of newsspeak) is on board with bush bashing. bye bye bush. it will happen and the uncovering process will open our eyes to the point that we will be forced to see all the violence and theft that is part of our foreign policy (e.g., The World Bank). Wonderful stuff Posted by: mike on August 9, 2005 03:38 AMMany, many thanks for posting the albatross theme here with us, Nancy. Very nicely done, of course, and much for us to hang onto. At the same time, I feel that we are the ones with an albatross around our neck (Smirky&Co) and I'm still p.o.'d at the 59-something million who voted them in (if indeed they did and the machines didn't do the deed). It must come to pass that the stinking albatross will fall from our necks and we can sail on into fresher, calmer, safer waters. Posted by: shylurker on August 9, 2005 03:42 AMThere is some very intense stuff coming up. I am quite worried about that Winter Solstice chart in December. Mars and Saturn are in a tight square, with Mars pretty close to the US Ascendant. It gets triggered by first Mars, then Saturn and Mars, and then just Saturn, altogether from 12/21 through 1/12/06. I was already worried about the Mars Saturn square with both Mars and Saturn moving so slowly and in square to each other. Now they are also triggering the same configuration in the Solstice chart, on an angle, in DC. I hate to say it, but I don't rule out terrorism, especially on December 26 when the Moon joins the configuration. There is enough Saturn ongoing to imply upset for a period afterwards which is what you get with something so awful. If not terrorism here, there will be some intense crises going on elsewhere. Bolton will be in cirsis mode over at the UN with Pluto on his Mars at the same time. This will be a difficult Christmas season. My understandng of the Ingress charts is that you draw them up for the capital of the country to understand how that quarter year will be for that country. Does anyone know if you can just draw them for a location to find out about that location? If so, I would watch the area around Trenton, NJ to maybe Staten Island, NY (?the ferry?). That is where the Mars Saturn square will hit the Solstice chart Ascendant on or around 12/26 and 12/27. Posted by: Nancy on August 9, 2005 03:53 AMPetition to support Cindy in Crawford http://www.radioleft.us/petitions/cindysheehan/ "borne in deceit and managed with criminal stupidity" Perfect! Posted by: M. on August 9, 2005 04:07 AMnancy "...around Trenton,NJ to maybe Staten Island" Think of all those unprotected toxic plants smack in the center of NJ. Posted by: Pam on August 9, 2005 04:22 AMPam - Maybe you have figured it out. If there are a lot of chemical plants around there, it would make sense. I have to be careful getting too specific with predictions though. A.B.S.O.L.U.T.E.L.Y BEAUTIFUL....though scary. I do appreciate your work, your focus and your poetic nature Nancy. We are so lucky here at AW. Thank you so much for this. ................. http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/08/09/vets/print.html Sticker shock over shell shock More.... Posted by: Pat C on August 9, 2005 04:59 AMwashingtonpost.com War Plans Drafted To Counter Terror Attacks in U.S. By Bradley Graham COLORADO SPRINGS -- The U.S. military has devised its first-ever war plans for guarding against and responding to terrorist attacks in the United States, envisioning 15 potential crisis scenarios and anticipating several simultaneous strikes around the country, according to officers who drafted the plans. The classified plans, developed here at Northern Command headquarters, outline a variety of possible roles for quick-reaction forces estimated at as many as 3,000 ground troops per attack, a number that could easily grow depending on the extent of the damage and the abilities of civilian response teams. More,,, Posted by: Pat C on August 9, 2005 05:06 AMalso from the WP article.. The possible scenarios range from "low end," relatively modest crowd-control missions to "high-end," full-scale disaster management after catastrophic attacks such as the release of a deadly biological agent or the explosion of a radiological device, several officers said. More... Posted by: Pat C on August 9, 2005 05:25 AMNancy- You write so well, and I am so glad that you have started an astrology blog. It's an idea that is overdue, and I am glad that you are among the first. I hope Sally and others who write for this site will consider doing the same. Concerning military plans, there have always been contingency plans in the US at major installations for crisis reaction to WMD attacks. In most cases, they were not taken seriously or buried in the file cabinets until required for review. Until 9-11, Posse Comitatus was used as an excuse to avoid the extra work. It has great potential for abuse, but I have great faith in the Army despite all its ugly warts. In the spring I received orders to go to Irak after several years out of uniform. After some administrative delay, it is likely that I will deploy this fall at some point. I value the alternative insights posted here and consider it to be very valuable intelligence. My sincere gratitude and hopes that this site and others will continue. Posted by: Michael Kohlhaas on August 9, 2005 06:01 AMGod Bless you Michael and may you be safe in your mission. Great article Nancy--is this the same article as the one on Starlight News? It kept saying it was posted in Uncategorized, but whenever I clicked on the title, it merely went back to the 1 or 2 sentence synopsis .... And meanwhile, Citizen Spook is ON FIRE with good news---read the latest blog(Aug. 8th), you'll be glad you did: Heavens, Garry. So interesting about the power of the grand jury. And Bush's insistence on being a wartime President might be just the ticket. Could his little war turn out to be that big? There are a couple of possibilities. Maybe in true criminal fashion they wanted to go beyond Iran Contra to a bigger crime and the WMD scam was it. So they outed Plame to keep the scam intact. Now it seems they didn't quite pull it off. I'm trying to piece this together in clarity. The question has come up as to how these people in power in our country now can be brought down and their treason revealed. They are giving information to other countries it seems, and are part of a huge operation. The way this could happen is if there are double agents within the group, and there is enough power in the faction against them to do the job. We'll have to see. Posted by: jm on August 9, 2005 09:54 AMABC biz news.........Larry Lindsey, "dark horse" potentially, being recycled to replace Greenspan! (Qualifications "loyal to the pRez. That gives me a lot of confidence!) Yeech! He was fired for stating a too high estimate, on the Iraq war!!!!! Nancy, mighty fine article... wonderful imagery of the killing of the albatross juxtaposition Bush's illegal invasion of Iraq wiping out all the good will 'round the world for Americans. Thank you for bringing us your analysis of this coming December. I can't look that far ahead myself, as I am still very much concerned for what might happen this August/September... interesting times, indeed. We miss you, also... but we can visit at your blog, which is a wonderful adjunct to Sally's comfy corner here. You are being well received there as you are wherever you go --- we need as many voices as will rise against this administration... and of course a place for them to be heard. Light and blessings to you in your newest venture. Posted by: Jo on August 9, 2005 03:07 PMPat QOP, now C Boyeden Grey... Bush's EU man attacked for Microsoft links Ingrid Marson ZDNet UK August 08, 2005, 15:30 BST The nomination of a pro-Microsoft lawyer to represent US interests in the EU has angered the Free Software Foundation Europe The Free Software Foundation Europe has criticised President Bush's decision to nominate a long-time ally of Microsoft as the US representative to the European Union. C. Boyden Gray, a lawyer who lobbied on behalf of Microsoft during the US antitrust battle with the Justice Department, was named by Bush late last month as his choice to be America's next EU ambassador. Georg Greve, the president of FSF Europe, claimed on Monday that this appointment shows the level of political control that Microsoft holds in the US. "[It] is quite an explicit statement of who truly holds the political power," said Greve in an email. Gray's selection, which must be confirmed by the Senate, comes at a critical time in the EU's antitrust case against Microsoft — the European Commission (EC) is expected to make a decision on whether Microsoft has complied with last year's antitrust ruling later this year. More... http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/legal/0,39020651,39212457,00.htm Posted by: Pat C on August 9, 2005 04:10 PMPro-Choice Group Says Roberts Sided with Clinic Bomber Thank you, Nancy. Much food for thought here and I like the elegant way you came full circle and brought the theme back to the Albatross at the end. To me, this is not a clearcut situation and never has been. Probably in some way, Saadam was supporting terrorists, even if he didn't have WMD. I don't know how exactly but I think the U.S. had a somewhat simplistic plan to just go into the mideast, destroy terrorist enclaves where they can find them and those who support them, and get the financial benefit while we're at it. It was a stupid plan but it has been the way the U.S. governments have though for a long time. Bush and the Neocoms seem more agressive than most, but how would Clinton or another president have responded to 911? The problem remains though that, assuming that 911 was not an inside job, what do we about terrorism and those who want to destroy us? The larger problem is that there are way too many on earth that want to live by the sword. However, it is a case of what came first, our sword or your sword. Just thought I'd lay those thoughts out on the table as I don't really feel there is a clearcut answer. If there were, Kerry might have had one. Posted by: Sharon on August 9, 2005 05:10 PMPat QOP on August 9, 2005 11:51 AM: I guess Larry Lindsey is a shoe-in as a Greenspan replacement if we consider that he's incompotent and loyal to Shrub. I heard somewhere that Bush called Larry fat when he fired him. Maybe Lindsey has trimmed off the baby fat. Sharon said: "Probably in some way, Saadam was supporting terrorists, even if he didn't have WMD. I don't know how exactly but I think the U.S. had a somewhat simplistic plan to just go into the mideast, destroy terrorist enclaves where they can find them and those who support them, and get the financial benefit while we're at it." Sharon, for the upteenth millionth time: Sadaam was not a problem to the US. As a matter of fact, he had nothing to do with 9/11... 'destroy terrorist enclaves' in the mideast? BUSH CREATED MORE OF THEM by invading Iraq. bin Laden was reported to be in Afghanistan. Posted by: Jo on August 9, 2005 06:02 PMHERE'S A FUNNy AND CLEVER STRESS RELIEVER. SOMETHING WE CAN ALL USE FROM TIME TO TIME. ENJOY! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait for the screen to load up with all four horses and a fence in front of them. Then click on each horse. MAKE SURE YOUR SOUND IS ON. Re-click on any horse to make it turn off or back on again. Try clicking on the horses from left to right then right to left then just one or two at a time... Have fun! http://svt.se/hogafflahage/hogafflaHage_site/Kor/hestekor.swf This is really an excellent, eloquent piece, Nancy. Sharon, thanks for laying those thoughts on the table. Allow me to try a response, for I think there is indeed a clear cut answer to the problem of terrorism. First, let me say that I think there obviously is a problem of terrorism even if 9/11 was to some extent an inside job, and even if there is some truth to the thesis of the BBC documentary The Power of Nightmares, which claims that the threat of terrorism has been largely created by the powers that be to further their hegemonic agenda. The short answer to the problem of terrorism is, first, to treat acts of terrorism as criminal acts to be dealt with under the framework of law, and secondly, not to excerbate the problem of terrorism by committing acts of terrorism ourselves. Once it really sinks in just how unnecessary and unjustified the Iraq war is, it is hard not to see the slaughter of up to 100,000 innocents civilians an act of terror that dwarfs the tragedy of 9/11. I've recently read an article "The War on Terrorism and the End of Human Rights" by a philosopher named David Luban. It is unfortunately not online so I cannot post a link, and I don't want to take up too much bandwidth to adequately summarize. His main point is that in treating acts of terrorism as a pretext for war, the Bush Administration has conflated the model of war with the model of law, and this has not only undermined human rights it has made the problem of terrorism worse. There is a problem of terrorism, but the whole "War on Terrorism" is a fraud and a disaster for all of us. Posted by: Timothy on August 9, 2005 06:44 PMAnd Jo's point is right on--Bush has only created more terrorists. Another point Luban makes is that "The War on Terrorism" is by definition unwinnable. When could the mission ever really be accomplished?--only when all the terrorists have been killed, and this, clearly, could never be accomplished. The best step we could make in responding to the problem of terrorism is to stop participating in terrorism ourselves. Posted by: Timothy on August 9, 2005 06:53 PMYaaaay, Timothy! So knowledgeable, so incisive, so clear, so, well, spot-on!! Posted by: shylurker on August 9, 2005 07:07 PMThanks Timothy... Watched Star Wars II, Attack of The Clones, last night with grandsons. Came the part where Federation gives Chancellor emergency powers to fight 'terrorism' of Separatists... scene is of the meeting hall, looks like a futuristic stadium... the 'Chancellor' (whom we later learn is a vile (or, e-vil) man looks out upon the representatives of the galaxy and says "I will not abuse these powers, as soon as the emergency is over, I will return them to the Federation". Little Buddha who told me at the beginning of the summer he would take me step by step through all seven of the movies --- looked to me and said "what does that scene remind you of Grandma" (well it reminded me of a person, but I didn't say anything)... Little Buddha said, "remember in the Third episode where the Senator says "Democracy ends -- with a clap" ? Well, this is the beginning of it. Just like George Bush Grandma. Can't you see it? So, for all of you who want to understand what is going on in our country, you need look no further than the Star Wars series. Problem is we don't have the Jedi to rescue us. But we definitely have the Lords of the Sith. As Yoda says in Ep II, the "Dark Side clouds the vision of the Jedi." Hey, if the Jedi can't see --- well, we simply have to look closely --- at everything... absolutely everything. It still amazes me that people repeat Bush's mantra that Sadaam was responsible for the terrorism of 9/11, for harboring terrorists and for possessing WMD. (if you selected (D), none of the above, you are 'spot-on') Namaste Posted by: Jo on August 9, 2005 07:48 PMYaaay, Little Buddha Jedi Master! Posted by: Timothy on August 9, 2005 07:54 PMI agree we stop terrorism by not participating in it ourselves. I think we also need to make specific policy changes that would have the added benefit of depriving the terrorists of issues. In the Middle East we are led around by the nose by the Israelis (or that is, the Likud party) and by our addiction to oil. We should change our policy toward the Palestinians, who have been occupied and persecuted for 60 years, and get on the side of justice. Click on this link for the photo and little ditty with it. I don't know why, but it made my 'heart smile' --- as Pat C. would say. Maybe it speaks to something we all wish to see? Posted by: Jo on August 9, 2005 08:44 PMPoints to ponder: 2. Are the repugs sleep at the switch for not hollering and ranting at tubes being removed on the VA woman after hse gave birth? Japan PM trying to privatize PO savings meeting the same opposition, corrupt imbecile smirky is facing here trying to privatize social security and both are doomed at their respective ends! Posted by: Raj on August 9, 2005 08:51 PMRaj, 1. Maybe the folks in the UN are more forthcoming with documents and info than the folks in the WH? and 2. She didn't give birth. She was dead. A dead womb kept functioning through the wonders of technology till the fetus is viable and ripped out. Then, thrown away like yesterday's trash. No more use for her now. Boy, would that make a creepy sci-fi story: women's bodies being kept functioning at the bare minimum thru technology while all those frozen embryos are implanted... euw! Gives one creepy shivers and nightmares! (and yes, where are they this time? Hmmmm????!) Posted by: Lori on August 9, 2005 09:30 PMI have to say that I've enjpoyed reading astroworld for the last few months. But lately the anti Israeli diatribe is getting a little waring. According to some, all the troubles in the world are the fault of this little tiny country that's surrounded by people who want to see them obliterated. Folks it's time you all look at a map. It's true that Israel had and still has an obligation to see that the palestinians live in dignitity which has been poorly met. But lets face it, those who lead the Palestinians have spouted a doctine of hate. It takes two to dance and these partners haven't even been on the same dance floor. This website is suppose to be a pargon of spirtual values. But this one sided dialogue serves no one and no purpose, least of all peace and harmony Posted by: terry on August 9, 2005 09:31 PMThank you for sharing your thoughts, Terry. I've felt the same way recently and, although I greatly enjoy the folks here at AW, I find myself coming here less and less. But articles from the likes of Sally, Nancy, et al. are worth the occasional trip. And anti-Israel diatribes or not, there really is no better place on the web to get one's astro-fix. Posted by: Jonathan on August 9, 2005 09:54 PMTerry, I find your comments most interesting. Most of us on this site attack the government of these united states 24/7... you have not raised the question of whether or not we are anti-American. But if we speak of what the government of Israel is doing, then we are attacking a small country. Yes, I am well aquainted with maps. I know the size of the State of Israel. None of that has anything to do with the policies being propagated by the Likud Party in general and Ariel Sharon in particular. Fundamentalists in this country support Geo. W. Bush because they see him as having a direct line to God. Other fundamentalists in this country support Ariel Sharon because they believe he is protecting Israelis. Hate is not an exclusive commodity... I believe the subject of the Middle East and our involvement there is open to debate... and find it regretable that you feel as you do. Historically, I am reminded of the genocide committed in this country, when white Europeans came to live. They did not feel comfortable amongst the huge populace of the Native Americans. The remedy for it was to push them out, in order to "be safe"... well, they are 'out' --- they are a small minority in this country now. And still, Americans do not feel "safe". So, we have invaded a country that posed no threat to us. We killed Iraqis. We sent our children to die. Some of us ask why? Cindy Sheehan would like to know why her son died... why he is not home, "safe". You stated "This website is suppose to be a pargon of spirtual values." I'm sorry - I didn't get that memo. I thought this was a site for Political Astrological Insight and Prediction: Mundane Astrology. Let me see now... one can't discuss Israel at dKos; or Liberal Street Fighter; or DU or almost any site online without encountering this response. Peace and harmony is not achieved by silence... or by censure. In the 1970s I was serving in public office. I was told I could not mention "Nixon" or any doubts about him. I was a Republican back then (when I was young and foolish). But I did not remain silent. And I won't now. Members of AIPAC have been indicted. There are more indictments to come. We shall see what comes of those indictments, and others. I profess bewilderment at the perception of "anti Israeli diatribe" on this site. Jonathan, I remember you mentioning this some time ago, and I believe just prior to that there was a spate of intense posts regarding that country (read: that country's governance). On this particular thread, unless I've forgotten something I read above, there is ONE post mentioning Israel, and in fact, that very post clarifies that the word "Israel" is to mean "Likkud Party." In all seriousness, (and Jonathan, your prior posts' point taken) will Jonathan and Terry both please explain to me why one person's dislike of the Likkud party equates a board full of people who hate all Israelis (and does "Israeli" mean "Jew?" Am I correct or incorrect that there are non-Jews living in Israel? I mean other than Palestinians. And I'll forgo comment on the 20th century history of that chunk of earth we call Israel. AND for good measure, let me say that while I despise what the US Republican Party appears to be today, I also think that some (the ones we hear virtually nothing about these days) "conservative" ideas are good ones. Just so you know that I'm looking at each miniscule piece and not a group of any sort. OK?) Posted by: Lori on August 9, 2005 10:19 PMThanks, Jo. You say it all so well. I really hesitate to say write on this subject because I know somebody's going to slam me, but I really believe the situation is unjust and the U.S. ensures that it stays that way. There seem to be a lot of Israelis who criticize their government's treatment of the Palestinians too. OK for them to do it, but not for me? It may take 2 to dance, but this isn’t a dance, it’s an extremely unequal struggle and to say otherwise is almost farcical. The Israelis ensure the Palestinian economy is barely worthy to be called an economy. They hamstring the Palestinians every movement, make sure they have to wait at checkpoints for hours to go to the store, never mind get to jobs. Palestinians live in terrible conditions without much of a way out. Sharon’s wall is a poorly disguised land grab. I deplore the suicide bombers, but seems like a lot more Palestinians get killed than Israelis. Plus get their meager homes bulldozed. The U.S. gives more foreign aid money to Israel than to any other country by far, and much is made of the fact that Israel is the only democracy in the region. But they don’t believe in religious freedom. They say their country exists for members of one faith. In fact, the most orthodox believers seem to get the most “equal” rights. I don’t believe in unequal treatment on the basis of religion. I don't want the U.S. to give this kind of country the huge amounts of money we do. Gee, Terry. If you have something positive to say about AIPAC, why not just say it, and back it up with facts and astrology? That, it would seem to me, would be much more constructive than putting down a discussion forum in general. There are no paragons here, as far as I know. ............ Cindy Sheehan Gives BuzzFlash the Latest from Crawford; Direct from the drainage ditch, the intrepid protester says "Our spirits are great," but Bush "doesn't have enough courage to face someone who actually disagrees with him ..." Austin Press Conf. for Sheehan Wednesday at Noon Bush in Aurora, IL on Wednesday. Cindy Sheehan Asks That You Keep Pressure on Him to Meet with Her. Thank you, America! Amy Branham's Report from the Vigil in Crawford -- A BuzzFlash Guest Contribution Rep. John Conyers: Why Won't Scooter Libby Grant Judith Miller a Personal Waiver? Does Roberts Believe The Right To Privacy Is "Mythical?" An unprecedented 57% of Americans say the Iraq war has made the USA more vulnerable to terrorism. Bush is a failure. Thanks for the news on Cindy, Pat C. Did you see that Rep. Conyers has written a letter to Bush requesting he see Cindy? Several Congresspersons have signed, many of them members of the Black Caucus. Do you think we can clone Conyers? The man is a wonder! Here's link to diary at dKos about his efforts to help Cindy and his praise for her. Also, a link to make contributions to Cindy if you like, or go to website linked in diary to see other things you can do to support the efforts of Gold Star Mothers and families. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/8/9/153129/5183 www.meetwithcindy.com Posted by: Jo on August 9, 2005 10:58 PM
Bigger Than AIPAC Important new details of the US-Israeli espionage case involving Larry Franklin, the alleged Pentagon spy, 2 officials of the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee, & an intelligence official at the Embassy of Israel emerged last wk. Two AIPAC officials—who have left the org—were indicted along with Franklin on charges of "communicat[ing] natl defense info to persons not entitled to receive it." In plain English, if not legal-speak, that means spying. But as the full text of the indictment makes clear, the conspiracy involved not just Franklin & the AIPAC officials, Steve Rosen & Keith Weissman, but at least several other Pentagon officials who played intermediary roles, at least 2 other Israeli officials, & one official at a "Wash DC think tank." It's an old-fashioned spy story involving the passing of secret documents, hush-hush mtgs & outright espionage, along with good-old-boy networking. But the network tied to the "Franklin case"—which ought to be called the "AIPAC case," since it was AIPAC that was really under investigation by the FBI—provides an important window into a shadowy world. It is clear that by probing the details of the case, the FBI has got hold of a dangerous loose end of much larger story. By pulling on that string hard enuf, the FBI & the Justice Dept might just unravel that larger story, which is beginning to look more & more like it involves the same nexus of Pentagon civilians, WH functionaries, & American Enterprise Institute officials who thumped the drums for war in Iraq in 2001-2003 & who are now trying to whip up an anti-Iranian frenzy as well. Needless to say, all of this got short shrift from the mainstream media when it was revealed last wk. ... con't http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050809/bigger_than_aipac.php Of course, now Rummy is claiming they've found Iranian-made WMDs in Iraq. Is it only obvious to me what their plans are? I think Neptune and Saturn are gonna take turns pimp-slapping this Admin. if they try to invade ANOTHER country. LOL Posted by: Jonathan on August 9, 2005 11:38 PMNancy, it is somehow completely wonderful that a poem of Coleridge's would combine so fluently with our current human condition to describe the gestalt we are living in now....kudos.... I am not too sure what is going on, but over the past hour I have tried to access several site URL's from here and from Raw Story and both 'froze' my Mac up. Merc retro has been particularily difficult on my computer.... Posted by: judi gemini on August 9, 2005 11:51 PMJo....really, a Republican at one time....well, I immediately started laughing, because I have a genealogy cousin in Alexandria VA (a former 'spook') who was also a young repub....he was a rising star in the CA (bay area) republican party during the Nixon years. They had him address a gathering at the convention in 1960 election time, and he made the mistake of calling him 'Tricky Dick'....he says he still doesn't know what made him do it, but he was frog marched out of the party....! Posted by: judi gemini on August 9, 2005 11:57 PMJonathan, really.....I can't believe you say some of the things you do. Well, you never reply to me anyway....so let me just say, I agree with you about Sally, Nancy, Morgana and the articles, but you are way out of line otherwise....this is a political site, not a politically correct site. IMHO Posted by: judi gemini on August 10, 2005 12:00 AM
Ted Lang But what is even more absurd, and even more outrageous than the simple treason perpetrated by our government against "We the People," is that most of the money used to buy our government out from under US was our own money to begin with! Ten to twenty billion of our taxpayer dollars gets shipped to Israel annually! And Israel determines our foreign policy! They have a stooge in the White House and many more in the United States Congress that are selling US out to advance the interests of Israel and the New World Order http://www.patriotist.com/tlarch/tl20040719.htm I don't think we can get anywhere in the world if we use repression of speech as a basis of communications (however it seems to work well in sparking people to defy those restrictions, huh JO?)....and hasn't anyone noticed how the roles change ever 40 years or so? Black is white and then White is black....Arab cultures are the bad guys (they DO preach extermination of jews, no denying that, as I have been told by my Jewish friend from South Africa (even that is another story) and then the Jews are bad....eeerrrrr....the Likkud party I mean, a political entity, not the Jewish people in toto. Everyone seems to adopt the agendas (Clinton did that to REpubs) of the opposing party...Bush and company adopt techniques of the Nazis. (Hell, they are nazis. IMHO. ) 84 years ago it was a Democratic administration (machine) suppressing women's rights, now it is the republican administration (machine) doing the same to gays (and we can argue, to all of us). So if we can't talk about the problems without accusations of bias, what good is it? WV posts tons of stuff, very good stuff, from middle eastern based news organizations...and there is no denying that this Arab/Israeli mess is a very very complicated Hatfield and McCoy feud....and when you throw in people like the fundies who believe it will lead to the Rapure, you've got an even worse mess. This is not an anti Israeli site.....but it is one trying to support what is right in terms of astro interpretation with a liberalized bias. Posted by: judi gemini on August 10, 2005 12:16 AMPS....a little pendulum told me that next Wed (or thereabouts) the proverbial stuff will hit the proverbial fan. Big. Posted by: judi gemini on August 10, 2005 12:21 AM
By Wayne Madsen The presence in the United States of a number of young Israelis, most of whom had specialized military and intelligence backgrounds, in the months prior to 911 is a subject that has received inadequate attention from the major U.S. media and government investigators. The activities of the Israelis fell into two main areas: the casing of the offices and homes of Federal law enforcement officials, U.S. military bases, and other sensitive sites by Israeli “art students” during 2000 and 2001 and the unusual activities of Israeli “movers” around sensitive areas during and after 911. These incidents occurred in tandem with the suspiscious activities of other former Israeli military and intelligence officials in neighboring countries, including Canada and Mexico, after 911. In addition, a number of Israeli intelligence agents were apprehended abroad for passport violations and other illegal activities. The possibility that the suspicious Israeli activity was linked to the movements of Al Qaeda cells cannot be brushed aside as merely coincidental. For example, a number of the Israelis arrested for suspicious activities involving selling bogus Israeli art and driving moving vans were concentrated in some of the same neighborhoods where a number of the 911 Saudi and other Arab hijackers lived and trained at flight schools http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/Artstudents.htm imho, there are a handful (3,000 give or take a few) of people on this planet who have megabucks... they have no allegiance to country, no allegiance to ideology... no allegiance to the planet... their allegiance is to MONEY. They do what is necessary to get more MONEY... because they believe that gives them power. Their real objective is power. These folks are the enemy, the 'dark side' if you will. [That's not a conspiracy theory; it's an observation about human nature. There are those who want more than they need, more than they will ever need. They are probably fixated on the 'need' to gain power just as an addict is on the need to get their drug of choice.] Their objective is to divide us, create enemies amongst us... to conquer us... to reduce our numbers. They use labels, disinformation, black psych ops, anything... to achieve their goals. They use religion, skin color, sexual orientation, gender, age --- whatever. You name it, they use it to divide us. It is not the fundamentalists who are our enemy. They are the pawns for those who seek power. It's true whether they are jihadist or christian or zionist. The events of 9/11 were acts of terrorism. Invading Iraq was an act of terrorism. Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist. KKK members are terrorists. Terrorists come in all colors and nationalities. "They" want us to kill each other. "They" believe there are already too many children and too many seniors who need healthcare; too many people without shelter.... "they" need slaves, but not as many as we presently number. There, you have seen my tin-foil hat in all its glory. Peace Posted by: Jo on August 10, 2005 12:42 AMMy husband just pointed this one out to me.. hasau! Is this a millstone ?
Military Families to Join Cindy Sheehan in Crawford Tuesday 09 August 2005 Gold Star and military families from across country on their way to Texas. Crawford, Texas - More members of Gold Star Families for Peace (GSFP) and Military Families Speak Out (MFSO) are traveling to Texas to join the protest outside of President Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas, where he is vacationing for the month of August. Starting today, Gold Star families from Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Arkansas and other states whose loved ones have died as a result of the war in Iraq will be joining one of their members, Cindy Sheehan, at the protest. Ms. Sheehan, whose son Army Specialist Casey Sheehan was killed in Sadr City, Iraq on April 4, 2004, has been in Crawford since August 5th, demanding a meeting with the President. These families will be joined by military families with loved ones currently serving in Iraq or about to deploy or redeploy to Iraq. All of these families are coming to Crawford, Texas to share their stories about the personal costs of the war in Iraq and add their voices to the call for a meeting with President Bush. http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/080905Q.shtml Posted by: Morgana on August 10, 2005 12:49 AMjudi gemini, Please tell me how I was out of line! I thought what I wrote was polite, didn't assign blame to anyone and didn't tell anyone NOT to post anything. So, please, if you could, explain to me how I was "out of line" so I can strive never to do it again. (I'm an Aries point Aries with a Leo Rising, so that's not likely to happen. LOL) :-) Oh! And you can never again say I've never responded to you. ;-) Posted by: Jonathan on August 10, 2005 12:52 AMJo, You wear that tin-foil hat BEAUTIFULLY!!! And not everyone can pull off a look like that. LOL :-) Posted by: Jonathan on August 10, 2005 12:54 AMIt is out of line to call a site you've been on for a long time 'anti israeli' to a new poster. It is a slap in the face to us who do post. hell, I've done that enough times in my life to be sensitive to it..... Posted by: judi gemini on August 10, 2005 12:57 AMMorgana, I just read over at DU (haven't verified it yet) that mothers across the country are planning on turning themselves into local law enforcement if they do arrest Cindy at Crawford. Oh, this is something else! Posted by: shylurker on August 10, 2005 12:58 AMJo...not tinfoil hat....truth. Posted by: judi gemini on August 10, 2005 12:59 AMDoes anyone know the birthday of Dana Reeve? She seems to be having an horrendous time. Posted by: Janet on August 10, 2005 01:06 AMJudi Gemini, I wrote: "And anti-Israel diatribes or not, there really is no better place on the web to get one's astro-fix." Is it not true that occasionally there are Posts that are anti-Israel? Links and the like? They may not be intended that way, but, for some of us, that's how we view them, especially if we're coming here for Astrology and such. And as for slapping anyone in the face, you don't know me and therefore you have no idea that I'd do nothing like that. It's assuming quite a great deal to make such a bold statement like that. I have been coming here for a long time (perhaps too long?) and, despite the occasional and inevitable flare-ups, I believe I've always been able to kiss and make-up. But in that time I've always tried to treat people with respect. And, despite your view of me, I will continue to do so. Posted by: Jonathan on August 10, 2005 01:07 AMMy comments seem to have unleased a bariage of agenda's about Israel. Censorship, I think not. Just a simple call for a balanced discussion with a purpose other than the mental release of verbage that solves nothing. May I ask what use astrology if not to aid in the spiritual growth of all us as individuals and humankind? I think the purpose of astrology is to teach us how to use the energies available at any given time to help us grow and evolve. I think it aids us in our quest to quell the ego's voice and hear the call of a deeper well. It is opening to the wisdom of our hearts that allow us to solve the worlds problems. The problems of the middle east are the some problems that have manefest down through the ages-greed, self rightousness, self importance, wanting what others have-the list goes on. Someday we will move beyond these thought fields that keep us enslaved. Someday we will be liberated. It starts with each of us raising our own vibration, opening our hearts and then sharing it with our community, our country and the world. Posted by: terry on August 10, 2005 01:36 AMUnfortunately Jonathan I agree with you. Really think there is a good chance that if it appears that the Dems have a good chance of winning the 2008 presidential election or taking back the House and Senate, GWB will declare war in the name of terrorism on Iran/Syria or another Mideast country before leaving office. Posted by: bobbypins on August 10, 2005 01:41 AMTerry, that is what we do here, or try to. As Jo said, we are no paragons....I appreciate your vision as one of great aspiration, but as Jo put it, she didn't get the memo on that and neither did I....you don't sign up for anything when you post here (sorry Sally, we signed up psychically for your great articles and those of Nancy, Morgana, et al.). Posted by: judi gemini on August 10, 2005 01:44 AM
Bush has done another Recess Appointment. He's tapped Eric S. Edelman to be undersecretary of defense for policy, a nomination that Carl Levin had put a hold on until the WH released some important and pertinent documents relating to Edelman's involvement with Iraq. Edelman also served as Ambassador to Turkey in 2003 thru 2005 and was literally frogmarched out of the country and is now considered "persona non grata" there. Great person to have on board, huh? Just thought you all might find it interesting. Looks like that Jupiter is giving Bush his "feelings of success"! Can't wait until September 4 when the tide drastically turns and poor W starts to feel the heat again. Got my popcorn ready! And you're ALL welcome to dip your hand in my bowl. :-) Posted by: Jonathan on August 10, 2005 02:23 AMOK....this is a POLITICAL astrology group....and as such, educating ourselves seems to be required. I say, check the history of the middle east and look at the agreements which happened over the last 90 years which have formed what Israel, Iran, Iraq, Syria, etc are today.... There should be no taboos on thought. Posted by: judi gemini on August 10, 2005 02:33 AMI should have said, on the main page under POLITICAL ASTROLOGY is listed Astroworld....it is not a spiritual astrology group, despite the fact that most of us are in that realm already...just to make this clear, I don't think I was.. Posted by: judi gemini on August 10, 2005 02:36 AMThanks for the info Jonathan, Seems Dubya left a stack of orders to be implemented while he's in Crawford... only a coward would issue orders while Congress is in recess... a Republican Congress at that... does he simply enjoy acting like a dictator? Hope your popcorn is lightly salted, not much butter, either... it's for sure this August is not going to be one of his best vacations. namaste Posted by: Jo on August 10, 2005 02:39 AMAs per usual, the WH is stuffed with "white" supremacist (generally) males. Folks are just used to it I 'spose... finding nothing untoward about it. I wonder if suddenly, the WH & cabinets/depts were filled with only "black" people or "Injun" people... or better yet... nothing but women (except mebbe a token "other")... as far as the eye could see. There shld be at least 52+%... which is their share as a majority of the population. Posted by: JoannaOregon on August 10, 2005 02:43 AMLightly salted, no butter ... you got it. :-) I think our trust Astrologers have indicated August will be okay for Belzebush with that Jupiter in action, but September (when Saturn gets in orb of his Ascendant, I think) is when the sparks will begin to fly again. So, I'll save my popcorn for then. I do wonder how this Cindy Sheehan Movement will affect Bush. Does anyone think he'll get smart, meet with her, get the photo-op and, therefore, kill the story? Nah. He's too stupid and stubborn for that. He'll just probably have her arrested like he did for those picketing the Gov Mansion when he was Governor. grrrrrrrrrrr ... you just know his karma's gonna be h-e-double hockey sticks to pay. Posted by: Jonathan on August 10, 2005 02:45 AMIf it quacks like a dictator, struts like a dictator, then it must be a dictator. WhaddaHOOT!! Posted by: JoannaOregon on August 10, 2005 02:47 AMJonathan- America has helped Israel for a long time but the AIPAC story does NOT paint an "America-friendly" picture of Israel(or the Zionists/Likudists, if you prefer). Posted by: Garry on August 10, 2005 02:51 AMDear judi, the way I view things is that all things are spiritual, there is no speration. I don't believe in restricting thoughts either, just being responsible for your thoughts, speech and actions. Jonathan, I didn't know about the arrests of those outside the gov's mansion...tell me about that... why is this man a politician if he doesn't like people? At least Phony Tony gets out among the people. Posted by: Jo on August 10, 2005 02:55 AMI am quoting Timothy here because what he says is so right on it is worth hearing twice (at least): The short answer to the problem of terrorism is, first, to treat acts of terrorism as criminal acts to be dealt with under the framework of law, and secondly, not to excerbate the problem of terrorism by committing acts of terrorism ourselves. Once it really sinks in just how unnecessary and unjustified the Iraq war is, it is hard not to see the slaughter of up to 100,000 innocents civilians an act of terror that dwarfs the tragedy of 9/11. I've recently read an article "The War on Terrorism and the End of Human Rights" by a philosopher named David Luban. It is unfortunately not online so I cannot post a link, and I don't want to take up too much bandwidth to adequately summarize. His main point is that in treating acts of terrorism as a pretext for war, the Bush Administration has conflated the model of war with the model of law, and this has not only undermined human rights it has made the problem of terrorism worse. There is a problem of terrorism, but the whole "War on Terrorism" is a fraud and a disaster for all of us. Michael Kohlhaas - My heart goes out to you going over there into the trenches. Please keep us posted here or on my blog or both when you leave and how you are doing (if you can). I truly hope some of these predictions can be of help. Warm thoughts from all of us. Posted by: Nancy on August 10, 2005 02:59 AMMichael K, your comments take me back once again to the depths of the despair in Vietnam. I don't want that feeling, and I hope for you to be able to stay in touch here, as we will lift your spirits as much as possible. Judi Posted by: judi gemini on August 10, 2005 03:10 AMI think eventually we will all have to leave our computer caves and hit the streets in protest. They can't arrest all of us. Posted by: judi gemini on August 10, 2005 03:12 AMCindy is not the only one Bush won't see. From Americablog: Thousands In Ohio Gather To Mourn Fallen Soldiers. Bush? MIA, As Always Bush continues to show his utter disregard and contempt for the brave men and women who are dying in a war he launched based on lies to the American people. (Thanks to threader Sean for reminding us of the memorial.) Bush is the first President in modern history and probably the first President ever to refuse to attend a single military funeral. And he's doing so during wartime and after his reelection, when any cynical calculation that pictures of Bush at a funeral might not poll well are absolutely moot. What possible reason does Bush have for ignoring this pain and suffering? Even the New York Post called on Bush to attend this memorial service. And Bush couldn't be bothered. Thousands mourned in Cleveland. Where was Bush? On vacation -- the longest Presidential vacation in 36 years. George Bush: MIA. As Always. Posted by: Jo on August 10, 2005 03:13 AMHi all, ps Los Angeles has the Venus/MC line through it. Have a feeling ...I'll be baaaaack. Met Madonna's illustrator. How's that for irony after all my celebrity book rants? Posted by: bhakti on August 10, 2005 03:19 AMThis is an article by Pat Buchanan written in 2003 http://www.amconmag.com/03_24_03/cover.html March 24, 2003 issue Whose War? A neoconservative clique seeks to ensnare our country in a series of wars that are not in America’s interest. by Patrick J. Buchanan
Suddenly, the Israeli connection is on the table, and the War Party is not amused. Finding themselves in an unanticipated firefight, our neoconservative friends are doing what comes naturally, seeking student deferments from political combat by claiming the status of a persecuted minority group. People who claim to be writing the foreign policy of the world superpower, one would think, would be a little more manly in the schoolyard of politics. Not so. Former Wall Street Journal editor Max Boot kicked off The above article was posted by me (wv) March, 2003 Sharon Says US Should Also Disarm Iran, Libya and Syria
The Prime Minister of Israel Ariel Sharon told US Congressmen visiting Israel that Iran, Libya and Syria are irresponsible states and should be stripped of weapons of mass destruction after Iraq. Sharon was also reported to have met with US Undersecretary of State John Bolton to whom he expressed his concerns about the security threat posed by Iran and how important it is for America to deal with Iran even while attention is focused on Iraq. No Doubt America Will Attack Iraq Bolton, who is Undersecretary for Arms Control and International Security told Israeli officials he had no doubt America would attack Iraq and that it would be necessary to deal with the threats from Syria, Iran and North Korea. Bolton was reportedly in Israel for meetings on preventing the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction which seems strange in that Israel whose leaders have consistently refused to sign the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, deliberately deceived US nuclear power plant inspectors during the 1960s, hijacked a French cargo ship laden with uranium ore and secretly developed, not only a large nuclear arsenal, but also the means to accurately deliver nuclear warheads anywhere in Asia, Africa and Europe. http://www.coastalpost.com/03/03/02.htm Posted by: wv on August 10, 2005 03:44 AM
Pentagon Iran desk officer and neo-con patsy Larry Franklin was arrested on May 4, on charges that he passed classified information based upon secret Pentagon documents to two American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) officials in June 2003, at a restaurant in Arlington, Va. The two AIPAC officials, who were not named in the complaint, were Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman, who were both fired by AIPAC in recent weeks. A number of senior intelligence sources, reached for comment on the Franklin charges, all had the same essential reading: The FBI has a prima facie case against Franklin. In FBI raids on his home, Federal agents confiscated 83 classified documents, which he was not authorized to have there. The case is cut and dried, and a charge of mishandling classified documents carries a ten-year Federal jail sentence. Franklin is being squeezed to provide prosecutors with a complete picture on the AIPAC/Israel espionage operation, including Pentagon officials who were part of the effort. These include, but are not limited to: Doug Feith, William Luti, Harold Rhode, and Abram Shulsky. In addition, one source emphasized the importance of Franklin's December 2001 trip to Rome, accompanied by Rhode and Michael Ledeen. The trip centered around a meeting with former Iran-Contra swindler Manucher Ghorbanifar, whom Ledeen sought to reactivate as a Pentagon channel to the Iranian government, and as a source on activities inside Iraq and Afghanistan. The Rome trip coincided with the surfacing of the forged Niger government documents, falsely charging that Saddam Hussein was seeking large quantities of yellow cake uranium from the African nation. http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/3219franklin_arrest.html Follow the money...(someone is) http://www.belleville.com/mld/belleville/news/12341191.htm
CHICAGO - Federal prosecutors investigating corruption at a state pension fund have subpoenaed records concerning $4.5 million in fees a Washington-based investment firm is paying the new treasurer of the Republican National Committee, government sources confirmed Tuesday. The subpoena calls for documents related to the fund, the Carlyle Group and Robert Kjellander, said sources familiar with the investigation who spoke only on condition of anonymity, saying prosecutors want details of the probe kept secret. Kjellander, a Springfield-based lobbyist who headed President Bush's re-election campaign in three states, was named the RNC's treasurer over the weekend. For the doubters..
Bolton Delay Offensive to Jewish Community, Says JINSA 6/20/2005 12:05:00 PM
To: National Desk Contact: Jim Colbert of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, 202-667-3900 WASHINGTON, June 20 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The ongoing effort by John Bolton's Senate detractors to hold up his confirmation as UN ambassador is especially offensive to the Jewish community, the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs declared today. "It was Bolton's determined leadership and diplomatic mastery that, in 1991, caused the United Nations to finally revoke one of its most outrageous resolutions - equating Zionism with racism," said JINSA executive director Tom Neumann. "It was a truly Herculean task, but Bolton succeeded where many predecessors had failed because he made the effort and took the time to engage the UN members one by one. http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=36642 I hope it was really successful for you Bhakti....my Venus/Mc also runs thru there. That is where I went to art school and where I had my daughter. I certainly hope there is lots of work in your future. Posted by: judi gemini on August 10, 2005 03:56 AM
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/ Posted by: wv on August 10, 2005 03:58 AM
Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael Posted by: wv on August 10, 2005 04:04 AMWV....OMG...that is why Bolton is there....well, it is pretty apparent as a friend said to me recently, that we have NO say in any of this....we are merely an inconvenient bunch of consumers. Of course it was pretty obvious that Bolton's app't was a neccessity to neoconjobs. yikes.... the War without End looks like an interesting site.... Posted by: judi gemini on August 10, 2005 04:04 AMWhat was your opinion of Madonna's illustrator? Eric went off to the mall with his sister bro in law the 3 kids & dog........to get some clothes. He's ion good spirits today!
http://www.activistsreader.com/articles%20folder/thinktankwatch-winep2.html Educate yourselves! Posted by: wv on August 10, 2005 04:19 AM WASHINGTON — Israeli efforts to secure swift American action against Iran’s nuclear program are being threatened by a stalled presidential nomination and the sudden dismissal of two officials at the country’s most influential pro-Israel lobbying organization. Last week the Forward and the Jewish Telegraphic Agency reported that the lobbying group, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, was pushing out two of its top officials — Steve Rosen, the organization’s policy director, and Keith Weissman, its senior analyst on Iran. The two men, who are reportedly being investigated by the FBI for allegedly passing classified documents to Israel, were Aipac’s point men in lobbying the White House on Iran-related issues. Also last week, with mounting opposition toward Bush’s choice of John Bolton to serve as America’s ambassador to the United Nations, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee postponed its vote on the nomination. A neoconservative ally of Vice President Richard Cheney and the State Department’s top official on arms control, Bolton is known as a strong supporter of Israel’s position that Tehran is coming alarmingly close to being able to weaponize its nuclear material — a view rejected by other top Bush administration officials.
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Much of the world is worried about the impending war with Iraq, and rightly so. But this may just the beginning of a new age of disarmament wars. From the homeland of Armageddon this week came worrying signs that we should begin worrying about the even longer and harder wars to follow. John Bolton, U.S. Under Secretary of State for Disarmament Affairs and International Security, was in Israel this week, for meetings about "preventing the spread of weapons of mass destruction." It seems appropriate for the U.S. and Israel to meet about disarmament issues. After all, Israel is universally acknowledged by everyone--excepting the U.S. government--as a considerable nuclear power, and much of the world regards its prime minister as a profound threat to international security. However, we can be sure that neither item was on Bolton's agenda. http://www.fpif.org/commentary/2003/0302bolton_body.html Posted by: wv on August 10, 2005 04:32 AMyowser, the activist article connects a huge amount of dots. I would doubt that this bunch will give in to public opinion about Cindy Sherman....I think they are like most conservative extremists, they believe only their opinions count. I think if anything happens on Thursday, it will be not what we expect....and they will not cave into this. Condi never has supported women, and didn't when she was provost at Stanford and undermined with her lack of support some important movements to help women there....why would she change now? She is made of steel. Posted by: judi gemini on August 10, 2005 04:59 AMThanks Judi. I also have moon/Asc in Las Vegas where I might give workshops. For NYC where I live and work are the MC/Sun, MC/Merc lines matching my Sun, Merc and NNode on the MC in my natal chart. Pat QOP, I often find the most talented are usually the most humble. He is very nice and his WPA style is gorgeous and did not talk about her or that book at his workshop or at his award speech. Joan of Bhakti galloped right over to him and asked the tacky tabloid question. He only said nice things. Posted by: bhakti on August 10, 2005 05:03 AMBhakti, I'd be interested to kow if you know of a friend of mine who has done 3 young teen books....beautiful ones, her name is Marilee Heyer. The Forbidden Door, The Weaving of a Dream and Iron Hans are the 3 which I have of hers. Posted by: judi gemini on August 10, 2005 05:08 AMbhakti, A certain redhead is back and her juices are flowing too... she has a few words about W. and Cindy... and the Rolling Stones new anti-war song. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/10/opinion/10dowd.html Posted by: Jo on August 10, 2005 05:09 AMI have to weigh in with my opinion re the Israeli /anti-israel controversy on this board as follows: I am Jewish (though agnostic), but truly believe, supported time and again by facts and extremely credible and well researched articles that there is a very, very powerful and real connection between American neo-cons and the right wing Jews currently running Israel. Sorry, but first lets be realists and look at many of the major players in all this: Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Leo Strauss (ideological godfather), Chertoff, Rabbi (!) Dov Zakheim (former Pentagon comptroller), Max Boot, William Kristol, Jonah Goldgerg, Wurmser, AIPAC members accused of espionage, etc., etc. We must ask the controversial/hard question: In the first instance do these people owe their allegiance to Israel or the U.S.? This is NOT an anti-Israel diatribe, because there are many sane, politically liberal/moderate Israelis who also detest the Neo-con cabal of both countries and who want Israel to adapt a more humane, realistic, non-aggressive stance toward the Palestinians and others. So I say politely and respectfully to all Astrowolders offended by what Ms. Gemini and others have to say, as I quote Harry Truman (a flawed but great American in my view) "if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen!". Posted by: Grizzly on August 10, 2005 05:11 AMGrizzley, I ran the whole thing by a Jewish friend, and she was horrified that I would believe anything bad about Jews....and then I knew she didn't have a clue what I was talking about....so I sent your email to her...as it was so clear what it is we ARE talking about. Quite honestly, if the people themselves were trying to find a way to live in peace WITHOUT the destructive agendas of the power brokers, there would be much less of this....now she thinks I am ANTI JEWISH! damn. I have to thank WV for putting the package together like that, it opened my eyes to the primary element of this equation....the communications, the positioning, the think tanks, the influence.... I don't know WHAT to call it, but someone else said it made McCarthy look like a choir boy. Posted by: judi gemini on August 10, 2005 05:52 AMWell, I wish I had read that article on bolton earlier, WV....2 years perspective later we know what the agenda is. don't you love this from the late Sen. Helms? Bearing in mind the Middle East venue for the current combat, Senator Jesse Helms had endorsed Bolton's appointment with what one hopes was unconscious irony "John Bolton is the kind of man with whom I would want to stand at Armageddon, if it should be my lot to be on hand for what is forecast to be the final battle between good and evil in this world." Wow...accidentl discovered a foreign policy page... I keep thinking that we can't just look at boy george's chart except to know when he goes down....it won't matter....the dragon seed will keep leaping up until the events have played out. I still think we need to go back to the first bombs falling on Baghdad on Jan 17, 1991 at 3:35 AM local Baghdad time.. It is a brutish chart.. What comes from it? Was THAT war the first real one in the whole plan? Did Clinton set it back , that plan 8 years? (although he came on board for all the other stuff,,guess). I just wonder if looking at boy george is a red herring. Posted by: judi gemini on August 10, 2005 06:09 AMNeocons are some of the anglo-jews with the same long-standing behavioral/thinking patterns as any other anglo supremacist. The semetic jews, a different group altogether, got to go to the ovens... they're "expendable" & make good anglo- & anglo-jew scapegoats. Posted by: JoannaOregon on August 10, 2005 06:33 AMAnd they've been causing absolute misery for almost five thousands years now. More than past time to get away from dividing confusing obfusicating words, words, words & start looking at behaviors. Who has been & is DOING the destructive controlling dominating torturing wraped-up-in-megaperverted-kundalini energy behaviors. Posted by: JoannaOregon on August 10, 2005 06:51 AMThe multi-invasion anglo from the extreme north reaches of the planet first colonized, besides the mid-east goddess cultures, India, where they learned of control of the kundlini from the goddess cultures... used it to control others' lifeForce that is. They've been playing horror with it ever since. Posted by: JoannaOregon on August 10, 2005 07:44 AMWe anglos have a lot of restitution to do... & gobs of humble pie. Posted by: JoannaOregon on August 10, 2005 07:47 AMJudi Gemini, Unfortunately a lot of otherwise sane, rational, composed; even highly intelligent and intellectually sophisticated Jewish people just totally 'lose it' when anyone says something they perceive as even remotely critical of Israel/Jews/Jewish behavior. It is a reflex action which I have repeatedly witnessed first hand since childhood, even among some family members. I can of course sympathize with their oversensitivity because of the Jews' bad history, the Holocaust, etc. but that still in my opinion does not give ANYONE a 'free pass' to stick their heads in the sand and be in denial of such an obvious and blatant reality. Just like with all religious/national/ cultural/racial/ethnic/sexual orientation/gender/stereotypes, there are (at least) two sides to it; i.e. you have fantastic Jewish people like George Soros, Rob Reiner, Seymour Hersh, etc., and absolutely abominable Jewish people like Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith. The unvarnished truth for anyone willing to see it, remains that many extremely powerful and influential American (i.e. holding U.S. Passports) Jews are TRAITORS to the U.S. and the civilized international community, and extraordinarily dangerous to the entire planet. Were I empowered to do so, I would bring many of them up on espionage, treason, sedition, (and where appropriate war crimes) charges in a New York minute with absolutely zero remorse. Posted by: Grizzly on August 10, 2005 09:35 AMOver here in China, Mercury is still retrograde. It is strange now and not as bad as the last Mercury retrograde. Everyday a hundred adjustments to internet or news or visa or phone or email. The worst thing is the 3 boys in my pre-university class of ESL students sleep, wallow, and tickle each other. It is as if they have gone back into time to the first grade. I type that and suddenly I am back in my first year of school as a student. It is very interesting to read how a few people on this site have reacted to my comments so verimentaly-defending there positions as if it were life itself. It almost appears as if some are trying to paint all the Jewish people and Israelis with the neocon brush. It is very reminenscent of The Bushies attempt to connect 9/11 with that the need to attack Iraq. It's amazing to see how the mind can rationalize a position selectively picking infomation to make a point as if it's a whole truth. The duality of black and white thinking often leaves us with fragmented awareness. It appears as if some people find it appropriate to have Israel as a vessel. A place to pour all there fears and expanations as to why the world is the way it is. Israel is one nation (a tiny one at that) amoung nations. It has it's faults and it's virtues. It is neither one thing or the other. It is not all good or all bad. Like all nations and all people it is a mix, trying to come to terms with itself and it's purpose. Posted by: terry on August 10, 2005 12:27 PMWinter Solstice After having taken a look at the coming Winter Solstice chart (12/21/05 at 1:35 PM, EST, in DC), my concerns for the period just before and after Christmas 2005 are reconfirmed. These Solstice and Equinox charts (Ingress charts) are generally drawn for the capital of a country as a way of indicating events for that country for the following three months. Additionally, the Spring Equinox chart, which marks the birth of the year, is read as the horoscope of the entire year. In the 2005 Winter Solstice chart drawn for Washington, DC, there is a tight Saturn/Mars square, with Mars very close to the Ascendant. (5Taurus30)..... More... Posted by: Pat C on August 10, 2005 12:58 PMHi Betsy, Always good to hear from you. And thank you for talking about the protestors in Texas and Dubya having them arrested. It does seem he likes living in a bubble, doesn't it? Let's see if he has Cindy arrested. Posted by: Jo on August 10, 2005 01:05 PMGold Star Families Descend on Bush
You should prove your points before you mouth off. All the material I posted was well researched. If you are going to make broad statements, back them up with sources. NO ONE, no
August 05, 2005 Just a two hour drive away in Dallas, at the Veterans for Peace National Convention in Dallas, I’m sitting with a roomful of veterans from the current quagmire. http://dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/ Posted by: wv on August 10, 2005 01:37 PMAir Force officer allegedly vandalized cars with pro-Bush bumper stickers DENVER - Denver police say a lieutenant colonel in the U.S. Air Force has admitted to vandalizing cars bearing pro-President Bush bumper stickers at Denver International Airport. Police say he's responsible for thousands of dollars in damage on at least 12 cars. Lt. Colonel Alexis Fecteau, 42, of Colorado Springs, turned himself in to Denver police Friday. snip Jackson said one of the detectives put out a bait car in late June, complete with a Bush/Cheney 2004 bumper sticker, in the west economy lot at DIA. On July 1st, with a security camera zoomed in to watch, an SUV drove by the bait car, and a short time later a man entered the scene. The man in the video appeared to spray paint something on the back of the car and then continued to do something on the side of the car. When officers returned to the bait car, the bumper sticker had been painted over and the words "F--- Bush" were spray-painted on the side of the car. Full link at DU Posted by: Pat C on August 10, 2005 01:41 PM Editor: John Gershman
In testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee on June 23, General John Abizaid, head of Central Command, told the committee: “Maybe it’s something we’re not doing right in the field. But I can tell you that when my soldiers … ask me the question whether or not they’ve got support from the American people or not, that worries me. And they're starting to do that. So I would say we better have a frank discussion with ourselves. I am not against the debate.” Combined with Abizaid’s acknowledgement that the insurgent and resistance fighters in Iraq are as strong as they were six months ago, this statement is a remarkably candid warning to U.S. politicians that the present course of U.S. policy in Iraq is in trouble. A Coup? Bush Flees US? American Flag Officers at war with each other? A scorching read from Sorcha Faal.....: http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index796.htm Posted by: Garry on August 10, 2005 02:07 PM
I get this a lot: Hey Mark, you nefarious and perverted liberal commie tofu-hugging sex-drunk San Francisco medical experiment gone wrong from the land of fruits and nuts (or some iteration thereof -- so cute, my hate mail can be), hey, I notice you love to ridicule those creepy Christian megachurches and you enjoy spanking wide-eyed Mormons and tweaking the litigious nipples of the cult of Scientology and you recoil from toxic Bush policy like a vegetarian recoils from undercooked veal ... And I can tell you think Dick Cheney is pretty much the devil in a defibrillator and that America is so desperately on the wrong track it might as well be North Korea, and you clearly tend to wince in savage karmic pain when looking down the rusty barrel of a welfare-happy red state and I just have one slightly nasty and pointed and cliched question for you -- Here it is: Where is your supposed progressive openness? Your liberal generosity of spirit? I thought you Lefties were all mushy and passive and live-and-let-live? In other words, where is that famous so-called tolerance I thought all you libs were supposed to possess like some sort of gentle polyamorous smiling hug for the world? ... http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2005/08/10/notes081005.DTL&type=printable Posted by: wv on August 10, 2005 02:09 PMhttp://www.nydailynews.com/08-10-2005/news/wn_report/story/335938p-286948c.html Pentagon to host 9/11 march, show BY MICHAEL McAULIFF, DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU WASHINGTON - The Pentagon will hold a massive march and country music concert to mark the fourth anniversary of 9/11, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said in an unusual announcement tucked into an Iraq war briefing yesterday. "This year the Department of Defense will initiate an America Supports You Freedom Walk," Rumsfeld said, adding that the march would remind people of "the sacrifices of this generation and of each previous generation." The march will start at the Pentagon, where nearly 200 people died on 9/11, and end at the National Mall with a show by country star Clint Black. Word of the event startled some observers. "I've never heard of such a thing," said John Pike, who has been a defense analyst in Washington for 25 years and runs GlobalSecurity.org. The news also reignited debate and anger over linking Sept. 11 with the war in Iraq. "That piece of it is disturbing since we all know now there was no connection," said Paul Rieckhoff, an Iraq veteran who heads Operation Truth, an anti-administration military booster. More.... Posted by: Pat C on August 10, 2005 02:12 PM
Widespread Ignorance By Sam Harris, HuffingtonPost.com. Posted August 10, 2005.
Amelia Hodsdon Guardian If you're up to date, podcasting - an automated way of making audio files (such as radio shows) available to download - should be old hat. The latest spin-off from this technology, said Ellen Lee in the Fort Wayne News-Sentinel, is Godcasting. http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5258773-111163,00.html Posted by: wv on August 10, 2005 03:04 PMJudi, No don't know her. There were over 750 attendees and almost 100 faculty and staff and your friend was not listed in the roster. Wasn't Hitler born Jewish? Duh. Terry, I am born Jewish, but I feel allegiance to fellow humans, not humans divided by ideology or walls or religions. It's still all about division. Talking about this division is fine. It's a good thing to call others on their sh** and wake 'em up. AW is not prejudice, you just came to the party late and listened to half the conversation. However, if you come to AW to be a distruptor then a welcome mat may not be forthcoming. Go do that on DU and you'll be tombstoned immeditately. Over 50,000 Pages of Roberts' Papers Held Back Has anyone looked at the astrology of these detours we take periodically during which some people opposed to certain actions of the Israeli government (and NOT Israeli citizens and NOT persons who are Jewish) get slammed? I didn't join in this time because, well, frankly, I'm tired of it and wv can more than carry the day. But, seriously, somebody should take a look. Maybe we go into these tangents on say, Merc retros? Or . . . ? Posted by: shylurker on August 10, 2005 03:58 PMNo, Shy, Good Question Shy! Sally, Astrologers, Had a heated political debate in LA. I was asked if I'd vote for Hillary and in the same breath was told that the votes are rigged. I said, gee if I'm being played to begin with then I act on it by playing back by voting then I'm a chump. That's how I feel as an American these days, a chump. It's time to fight back the bullies and serve them a tabasco sandwich. Thanks Nancy, I talk about your post and 'Tyrone the Horrible' alot. A famous artist walked out on this debate saying it killed his buzz. Next day I told him 'tough' life ain't the ALL good ;-). My charming personality remains the same with princes and paupers. You go bhakti... Raw Story is reporting that more of the Gold Star families are joining Cindy in Crawford... they are running a copy of press release listing names of family members and those who died. In a small way, we are finally paying homage to at least some of the fallen. "...Celeste, Dante and Raphael Zappala of Philadelphia. Celeste and her son Dante arrived in Crawford on Tuesday Aug. 9; son Raphael will arrive Friday night Aug. 12. Celeste's son Sgt. Sherwood Baker (Dante and Raphael's brother) was the first Pennsylvania National Guardsman to die in combat since World War II. He was killed in action in Baghdad on April 26, 2004 while searching for non-existent WMD's. Celeste is a co-founder of Gold Star Families for Peace. Tammara Rosenleaf of Belton, Texas arrived in Crawford on Tuesday, Aug. 9. Tammara's husband serves in the Army, stationed at Ft. Hood, and will be deploying to Iraq this fall. Lietta Ruger of Bay Center, Wash., will be arriving in Crawford Wednesday morning, Aug. 10. Lietta's son-in-law and nephew serve in the 1st Armored Division of the U.S. Army and are currently in Germany. They have both served extended 15-month tours of duty in Iraq; they are both under stop-loss orders and due to re-deploy to Iraq this fall." Posted by: Jo on August 10, 2005 04:39 PMWell, far be it from me to interupt the little party you folks have going. One has to wonder who's being slammed. It's been suggested that maybe I should just be quiet and return after I've read all the prerequiste material offered as research. Then maybe I can back and sing with the rest of the choir. But then again there is research and then there is research. I think I'll stick with my way of perserving the world for now. I don't really feel I need to be validated here. Just thought a little different voice needed to be heard. Posted by: terry on August 10, 2005 04:47 PMMy apologies WV for inserting my off topic response in the middle of your, very well researched, thoughtful, flow of information about the Isreal situation. Terry, We should all be allowed to speak our Truth, as we currently understand it, without dismissive retribution or name calling or thingly veiled threats to -- in a matter of speaking -- get with the program. As I understand it, on AstroWorld, there is no program to get with. I trust Sally's goal is to create a safe environment for an easy exchange of ideas and thoughts, many astrologically based and mirroring the World around us. It may have been difficult to see that goal (if that is, in fact, Sally's goal ... and I suspect something akin to that is what she'd like) in this thread with previous comments. But, if you stick around long enough, you'll catch some amazing people sharing thoughts that surprise, inform and educate you without lecturing or making you feel "out of the group", so to speak. P.S. It may have been inappropriate to speak for Sally, but I trust that what I intuit is her goal for this site isn't too far from the mark. And, if I'm wrong, my deepest apologies to her. :-) Posted by: Jonathan on August 10, 2005 05:18 PMWhen I read Mark Morford's column this morning in the Chronicle, I just hooted with laughter....he said in one column what has taken me years of self examination and confrontation to access....and in a nutshell, he speaks for me! hahahahahah....whatta relief. I kinda jumped at that article on the 9/11 march and country music set for the anniversary of 9/11 announced by RUMSFIELD? WHAT? cognitive dissonance here.... Bhakti, I don't always get your sentence structure, but I get your message ..... the line in the sand has been drawn for a lot of us, and it is time to stand for our principles.... Pat QP...sending Eric some more continuing light.......and good insight into the Jewish communities....I hope everyone understands we are talking about politicians....and radicals....of every stripe, who use others for their own purposes. Revealing article on the Muslims in Jerusalem worshipping Bin Laden as the Messiah and the inevitable 'final' war with the Jewish people they believe in. They believe it! They don't have a crowded subway to change their behaviors...this is taught all over the middle east....that Jews should be killed....it is no wonder there is an impasse. But two wrongs don't make a right.....as the Israeli hard liners seem to believe. Rolling Stones new album called "Bigger Bang" is said to be anti-Bush and anti-war... Justin juxtapositions some of the Stones' songs with the actions of the Neocons... I highly recommend the article in its entirety. Here's a couple of lines of soon to be hit, I'm sure: Sweet Neocon: "You call yourself a Christian, I call you a hypocrite/ You call yourself a patriot. Well, I think your are full of sh*t!... How come you're so wrong, my sweet neo-con." No Sympathy for the Neocons
I googled "Bolton in Israel February/March 2003" 2. Because the Congress of the United States votes The American people would rise up if any other country tried to do the same, and/or wielded the Richard Perle tried to sell Globecom/MCI to China.
This administration let return to Israel, 5 munitions experts, 20+ "art students" recently' There a no prerequisets for this site except that There are plenty of good sites wherein you can find the truth, if you will only take the time to Why don't we have real hard core journalists @CBS, You want real news, check these: http://www.democracynow.org/print.pl?sid=05/08/10/1346251 http://www.democracynow.org/print.pl?sid+05/08/10/1346254 Posted by: Raj on August 10, 2005 06:54 PMAnd besides your now trying habit of burdening us with anti-Zionism links and attacking those of us who may disagree with you and not tow your "party line", wv, what exactly have you done to earn my validation? This is all becoming a big, smellly, pile of bullshit. And NOT why I come to this site and donate money to help Sally out. I'm so angry I'm shaking! Not a way to spend my day. See ya. Posted by: Jonathan on August 10, 2005 07:24 PMRover-boy is this minute being top feature in Time mag... there's its puffy-pink supremacist mug right on the cover. The rover-boy is not getting as much other kinds of "cover" as it might like at the moment. ;O) Posted by: JoannaOregon on August 10, 2005 07:27 PMI'm done with AstroWorld and it pains me to say that. I've taken it off my Book Marks and am leaving it behind. The Fox News element (one note only, if you play the wrong tune we punish you) has worn me out and I don't have the time to deal with the headaches I often get after visiting here. It never used to be that way! But thank you for helping me get a strong basic learning in astrolgoy and I wish you all the best of luck. Posted by: Jonathan on August 10, 2005 07:29 PMNo apologies necessary Jonathan because I do want this site to be safe for people to share their views. Let me add that I do not agree with all the views or opinions shared and doubt if everyone else agrees all the time. It is not a threat to me or my family if someone doesn't agree with my view. Right now there is so much confusion in the world regarding religions and who believes what. There are Christians, born-again Christians and right wing born again, seem to be hate filled (they say)Christians. There is Catholic and within that church there is Opius Dio and they don't even recognize others as being true catholics, and the moderate Catholics are shocked at them. There is Zionism withing the Jewish religion, leaving millions of Jews world wide appalled at the hijacking of the Jewish Religion. Then the Muslims who are trying their best to get the word out that they do not agree with the radical fringe of Islam. The tragedy of today is the rise of radicalism world wide who are stamping out the moderate voices of Christians, Jews and Muslims. Unfortunately when something is said about a black person, it's racist, if said about a proclaimed Christian, it's anti Jesus, against Israel's Zionism, it's anti-Israel, against Muslim, it's the Crusades. Almost the entire Jewish community where I live are anti-Zionism and believe the Zionists are anti-Israel, not the other way around. If we don't like what this government or this administration is doing we are not anti-Patriotic or against the soldiers. I am against hate and destruction and I look at the organizations and beliefs of those who promote hate and violence as a means to resolve issues. I do believe there is a better way to support Israel or the US or Islam than violent filled resolutions and I belong to the groups who believe the same. My heart aches for the innocent people of this earth who are punished for their beliefs. Just like Ireland, Palastine and Israel have been in this fight for so long they don't even know why they are fighting and Israel has managed to bring in the US and Palastine is bringing in the rest of the Middle East into their "fight." Because of that, innocent people are suffering terribly. Many people in the US, Israel and around the world see what is happening and are so afraid of being labeled anti-Christian or anti-Israel they don't stand up for fear of being slapped down. I would like that not to happen on this site, I would like it to remain a point of information and exchange. People place informative links on this site as a point of education, because none of us know it all about any situation. I am grateful for those links and perspectives. Posted by: Sally on August 10, 2005 07:34 PMIt seems that every so often arguments brake out on this an all sites. I've tried to track it to Full Moons and retrogrades and that seems to be the time intensity rises here and around the world, leading me to believe the old axiom of "animals stampeding before the storm." I don't think we like to think of ourselves as animals, but we are and are collectively subject to the energies moving around the earth. Mars, Saturn and retrograde Mercury are in stress aspect over this last week, and T Uranus has retrograded back to a square to the US Uranus, very touchy emotions and blowups, nationally, internationally and individually. Sigh, I'm looking for some relief from the intensity, maybe when Mercury goes direct and passes its square to firey Mars. But then "oh dear" Mars goes retrograde, be kind to your loved ones cause they may not be kind to you if they don't understand how energy works. Posted by: Sally on August 10, 2005 07:46 PMJonathan, please don't go. It's just not the same without you around. Posted by: Janet on August 10, 2005 08:16 PMSally,h Jonathan, please don't go, I will really miss you. To the dreamers here who have studied dream symbolism. I've been having weird dreams about Chimps off and on since last Monday. Last night they were all in white tuxes and wedding gowns. (heehee) Posted by: Jill G on August 10, 2005 08:18 PMBRAVO! SALLY! BRAVO! Posted by: Cybear on August 10, 2005 08:22 PMHmmmm....Grizzley, that phrase of Truman's is really apt now, isn't it? Posted by: on August 10, 2005 08:24 PMMy Jewish friend called me this morning to talk about some of the stuff we've been talking about on line here, which to me is the biggest breakthru in a long while here....the role of the neocons/zionists/spying and other things that we may have all bee aware of in singularity, but not in connecting dots. My dots, and I speak for my self only, are now connecting. My friend was shocked at what I was sending her, but as we talked she brought up the Mark Morford column, and confessed that the past knowledge concerning her family/Israel and flight from Hitler made her overly sensitive (and her birthday is same as Bushs!) My point is this....we are all being manipulated by money, power, positioning, arms dealers, bankers, and religious fundamentalists...like testosterone gone crazy. The only thing we can have open to us is our own minds. And she agreed, and her husaband is a zionist supporter, which makes it harder. Peace has to transcend these power processors. It is the old model...he who has the most toys wins...except everyone ends up dead anyway. Personally I think there is no RIGHT answer to any of this....only progress. Posted by: on August 10, 2005 08:32 PMsorry...I am not at home and forgot to check the name box...Judi Gemini Posted by: on August 10, 2005 08:33 PMWhile we're picking at each other here, Fascism is on the march... Pentagon has announced a march for anniversary 9/11! Can you imagine that!!! and Clear Channel has reared its ugly head once more, this time in Crawford... they're setting up house with FREE food and drinks for soldiers from Ft. Hood to come and trounce Cindy! Yeah, you heard me.... Don't tell me they're not pulling the strings, creating a problem, division where none ought to exist. All Bush had to do for crying out loud was walk outside his bubble and talk to this Mother. He's a coward... Cindy Needs Your Help; ClearChannel Stations to Host Anti-Sheehan BBQ Wed Aug 10th, 2005 at 07:47:39 PDT The Anti-Sheehan BBQ will be in the lot next to Crawford Bank, free burgers, soft drinks ("Coca Cola"), and everything Saturday at noon. They are inviting soldiers from the Fort Hood area to come down and say that they would be ashamed of their mother if she did what Mrs. Sheehan is doing. Protest to KLFX! Their number is 1-254-699-5000, and YES, I'm keeping that number here. It's also publicly accessible here. Joe Trippi has posted this at JoeTrippi.com and it is crossposted at Democrats.com as a plea for help for Cindy Sheehan, who is sick. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/8/10/104739/859 Posted by: Jo on August 10, 2005 08:41 PMtypo, sorry Sally M. My smirking chimp dream wedding... Judi Gemini your post was perfect, and the one thing I did think is we cannot expand our minds or move to a more inclusive attitude until we can face our own demons. I just read a few months ago that dropping the bomb over Japan was not a necessary thing. Eisenhower and McCarthy were against it because Japan was in negotiations for surrender, the fighting had stopped. We as a country have not faced up to that black point in history, the Germans are facing their guilt and it's time we all do. You are right we are manipulated by money, power, marketing, bankers etc. We are manipulated by people who do not and have never given a damn for people or their suffering etc, by people who are completely devoid of any emotion, disconnected people and they cover all creeds, religions and nationalities. It's hard for us to believe because we aren't disconnected and we keep thinking they will come to their senses. They haven't for hundreds of years and will not now. We have to talk about it and have to talk about how we have allowed it for hundreds of years. Jo, You too are right "While we're picking at each other here, Fascism is on the march..." I heard about that Clear Channel hoe down. Nice isn't it, that confrontation should help to spin things out of control, if it becomes another Kent State will MSM cover it? Posted by: Sally on August 10, 2005 08:59 PMGads enough with the spitballs. The whole damn world is screwed up. Get this Haliburton sent nuclear reactor parts Iran ...check it out Halliburton, the scandal-plagued oil company, that Vice President Dick Cheney used to run, sold an Iranian company key components for a nuclear reactor, Halliburton sources revealed.
Jonathan, hope you stick around. I value your input, don't always agree, and I'm really unhappy with Hillary at the moment. Alas I am Chiracauhau Apache and Euro invaders, most folks call me white, my spirituality springs from both, neither Christian (shamanism/witchcraft). The destruction of any people is abhorent, as we watch Rawanda II in Africa, let alone remembering the children in America. Let's take UTAH for example, with the mormon polygamist dude who has families kick out their 16 year old sons on the street (gotta get rid of the young bucks) no compeition for the dirty geezer plowing the fields of their 14 year old wives. All us holier then thou should be looking at the motes in our eyes rather then the speck in anothers. btw there are uglies in every religion. Mercury is so retro...ack. Posted by: Morgana on August 10, 2005 08:59 PMThis issue regarding Israel and Zionism is so very difficult to discuss in any public forum that it is not surprising to me at all that it has had this reaction on this forum. Last year on our campus a student (not a young student but someone in his mid 30's) accused the campus peace organization of being anti-semitic and even supporting terrorism because someone had posted a link on the organization web-site to an article on Rense that probed the Israeli connection to 9/11. This individual has devoted himself to an ugly smear campaign that had continued to pollute the campus atmosphere to this day. Now he has even gotten money from some right-wing source to start his own "free press" (sic) with wide distribution on the island where he can foment regularly about what a great job Bush is doing and what a noble thing it is our troops are doing in Iraq. Sometimes it is very hard indeed to discern the line between legitimate criticism of Israel and anti-semitism. Some of the stuff on Rense does cross the line, including pieces by Lang in my opinion, but I cannot say with confidence where that line should be drawn. Sometimes there may be truth in what is said but it is the tone in which it is said that betrays a latent anti-semitism. I do not detect that tone here. Perhaps I might add this one to wv's valuable links: it's not the links, Timothy, it's the mob like mentality of "you're either with us or against us" that has turned my stomach. Jonathan and Terry being told to come back when they're better informed, or get out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat, or, basically, just to shut up if they disagree. That -- and the moderator not stepping in to stop the abuse -- has turned my stomach these past couple of days more than anything here. Links are fine; abuse is not. Posted by: Never on August 10, 2005 09:26 PMSally, yes. What I learned years ago in a college World History course from the professor is that war with Japan was effectively over prior to the dropping of nuclear bombs on Nagasaki & Hiroshima. The bombs were dropped to impress upon USSR that we HAD them and we'll USE them, so don't mess with us, bucko! (Interestingly, it was in that same class that the prof talked about FDR knowing from intelligence that Japan was planning to bomb Pearl Harbor, but taking no steps to prevent that attack, because "they" (gov't or admin people) wanted to get the American population riled and ready and willing to go to war, which, prior to Pearl Harbor, the populace was loathe to do.) Posted by: Lori on August 10, 2005 10:02 PMRE: Clear Channel's shenanigans. Well, let's see whether the soldiers even show up, shall we? A "person" (haha! according to the law of the land) is free to invite anyone to any shindig, yes? I recall reading about Bush's visit to a base in Colorado Springs some time ago; the video showed a few soldiers clapping with wild enthusiasm for the man and his snafu, but another person who had been there noted that THE MAJORITY OF TROOPS WERE NEITHER AMUSED NOR ENTHUSED BY THE MAN. They're stuck! They have no -- talk about your lack of free will! They have no choice about where they are and where they go and what they do next. I think we've discussed on this board before (or at least had an article link posted) how recruits are going AWOL, etc. How they're committing suicide to avoid going (perhaps among other things...) I don't know what will happen at the barbie Q; I sure seem (and believe me, I do not know where this is coming from) to have a real "wait and see" attitude about things lately. Posted by: Lori on August 10, 2005 10:12 PMI heard that about FDR and Pearl Harbor years ago too Lori, and I am not sure I don't believe it. They've never found absolute proof but there are some pretty strange memo's to the FBI and FDR out there from Commanders who were in the Pacific at the time. Plus there is some evidence to indicate we got into WWI the same way. Then the other day someone told me that the history books were being changed to eliminate the Revolutionary War, starting American History from the war of 1812. I don't know how widespread this might be or if it is happening at all, but history is written by the conquerors and it's from their perspective. I go back to what Judi G wrote, we are and have been so manipulated for so long by the "powers that be or wanna be" we hardly know what the truth is or what we believe. Read the book "The Powers that Be" by Haliburton. I think it's still in print. But we believe what we read in the papers or see on TV or hear on radio and it becomes whatever they want to put up. Posted by: Sally on August 10, 2005 10:14 PMAnd finally, aren't we all adults here? If we have had enough, we're free to come and not post, not come, come and post more, whatever. WV (bless you, WV; I like you!) is not the God of Astroworld! Good grief, you all, he's free to say what he wants, and you're free to respond (including not responding) in whichever way you choose...probably precluding an actual F*** *** post...I've noticed that word is largely avoided here. You're even free to examine the details of your disagreement and share them on the board, which may result in effecting another's point of view! It does seem to simply do what amounts to name calling ("this site is anti-Israeli!" etc.) will not do that. Isn't WV a Capricorn Sun? Jonathan's an Aries Sun, w/Leo rising. Jonathan, is Saturn approaching your Asc? WV and Jonathan have had mind clashes before. Maybe we could have a lesson in synastry & composite charts? haha, I'm totally teasing. And Terry, welcome to you. It gets a little crazy around here sometimes, but it's really very informative and fun all at the same time! Stick around! Posted by: Lori on August 10, 2005 10:20 PMSally, you are wonderful. I have such admiration for your calm and good sense and your behavior when things get rough and misunderstandings rife on the site. Blessed are the peacemakers You are certainly one. So many thanks Posted by: Teg on August 10, 2005 10:22 PMSally, I love that! haha..."I'm not sure I don't believe it." hahaha! The thing about finding absolute proof is that documents have to be absolutely available, know what I'm sayin'? I take your point -- ultimately we don't KNOW (in our heads; though we may know in other ways...or not). I hadn't heard about removal of the Rev War from history books. Huh! I'll make note of the book you mention. As to us believing what we see on TV, read in papers, etc., I respectfully disagree, as I can be heard plainly on a virtually daily basis yelling at either TV or paper: "What a bunch of bull*!" or other statements to that effect. In fact, when I read the statement "we're wondering how we were lied into the Iraq war," I'm wondering "who's 'WE', Kemosabe?" Cuz I never bought the story for a second. Instantly knew it was a crock. Light and love to everyone, including those no longer visiting the site. ;-D Posted by: Lori on August 10, 2005 10:27 PMDon't forget Pluto in Sagittarius which is coming to a conclusion. All of our beliefs are being tested and our faith in life in genereal. Power struggles are mounting as we come to realize that all the religions, ideologies, and beliefs systems will be around for a while. No one and everyone will win this one. The Mars retro for six months will most likely sustain the debate so settle in and remember the stubborn nature of Taurus. The argument is essential in this pressure cooker called life. The fault lines are everywhere. They will split. irrationality is a side effect, unfortunately. Hurt feelings are temporary and will heal. We can trust one another anyway. We're talking politics, astrology, and, yes, spirituality, on this site, not someone's decision to stay or leave Astroworld. We are free. Jonathan is an adult, and if he threatens to leave as he always does, and then actually does it, then that's his decision. His disdain for Astroworld is not a threat to me. And his comments, when focused on the subjects, are stimulating. The leaders in a country are a reflection of the society at the moment. Any leader who destroys human bodies for political gain should be questioned mercilessly. And that includes a lot of people right now. Posted by: jm on August 10, 2005 10:38 PMI guess I was about 6 years old when I first learned of the bombing of Hiroshima which took place exactly 12 years before my birth. It filled me with a horror that has had a profound effect upon me to this day. The United States made a Faustian bargain on the day that bomb was dropped. There is obviously a direct connection with the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the current war in Iraq and the whole "war on terrorism."
by Charley Reese 08/10/05 "LewRockwell.com" -- -- As of this writing, more than 1,800 young Americans have died in Iraq. The combined cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is $340 billion. This is what happens when we elect people who refuse to accept the limits set by the United States Constitution. The Constitution gave us a government to govern America, not the world. It is none of our business what forms of government other countries have, just as it is none of our business whether the women in a foreign country wear burkhas or bikinis. Surely you realize by now that either the Bush administration knew Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction or, even scarier, was dumb enough to believe it did have them. On Sept. 11, 2001, we had one enemy – a terrorist organization that calls itself al-Qaida. Instead of limiting our response to taking out that organization, President George Bush declared war on the world. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9726.htm I will add that the transiting South Node is in Libra now, not exactly the place for pleasant agreement. Not without going through the burning fires of the North in Aries. People are automatically standing by their opinions these days. And going into battle to defend them. It's probably a way to find our identities, and is not ultimately a threat to the cohesiveness of the group. Posted by: jm on August 10, 2005 10:47 PM
And one thing I'd like to report from the ground that got my attention. The major radio talk station in my town is big and reaches all across America and beyond. The overnight host is a brilliant man with a thorough knowledge of history. He is politically independent. People of all political persuasions tune him in. I noticed last night after years of dicussing 911, Iraq, and this administration, that the government compliance was more than being suggested. Since this is far,far from being a left wing crowd, I think this is significant. Even the fact that it is being discussed so openly is vey interesting, and gives me hope. It is such a hard reality for this society to face. Posted by: jm on August 10, 2005 10:55 PMCheck out in particular the essay by Walter Cronkite on the wagingpeace site. Somewhere I read at the beginning of this year on some astrological forecast site something about 60 year cycles. Unfortunately I cannot remember where and I lost all my old bookmarks when my computer crashed earlier this summer, but I wonder if any of the astrologers here care to comment. I think especially considering a number of recent articles suggesting possible war with Iran and the potential use of tactical nuclear weapons that we are perhaps closer now than at any time since 62 to revisiting that horror. Is there anything to the importance of 60 year cycles? Posted by: Timothy on August 10, 2005 11:03 PMI wonder if it's "We, the People" who're paying for that nasty little rumsfeld anti-citizen n' Cindy bash down there in blisterin' hot ol' texas. "Rummy Freedom's on the March! On the March!!" ...but not for Sheehan et al, who's child was murdered in anglo- rummy's & bushaholic's & neocons' infantile acting-out omnicidal rageaholic rampage. All the extra techy-feelin's folks have the scent of disruptive freeper imo. "Freeps on the March! On the March!!" ;O) Posted by: JoannaOregon on August 10, 2005 11:03 PM
Read below, you'll like it http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/081005C.shtml Posted by: Raj on August 10, 2005 11:25 PMHey Judi, Long WaVe WV!!! I find no offense in your links. Posted by: bhakti on August 10, 2005 11:30 PM* Job Offering ..."Actually, people who believe, doubtlessly, in things like angels, heaven, Noah's ark, talking snakes, & giants, with no rational basis, no evidence, & a palpable disdain for empirical data marginalize themselves. Remember the 'Heaven's Gate' cult, the ones with the Air Jordans who all castrated & killed themselves because they thot they were going to wake up on a comet? When people made fun of them, were they being unfairly marginalized? No. They were just plain silly, because there was no logic or reason behind their beliefs. They'd just been talked into it, & anyone that gullible deserves to be ridiculed, or at least ignored. Well, the same is true of xians [jews, islamics, govt bashers of Sheehan], however many of them there are. 'That's what they told me' is simply not a respectable justification to believe something so strongly that you think others shld be made to conform." (((((Joanna))))) Light to your loved ones... My Dad is agnostic... my baby sis is a fundie. Dad asked her to read Job carefully. He said to her, so God made a pact with the Devil to test Job? What kind of a god would do such a thing? She told him she would get back to him... namaste Posted by: Jo on August 10, 2005 11:58 PMREPOST! Gold Star Families Descend on Bush All these bushCo intense squirmy-wormy drama-king dramas... Terri Schiavo, for instance... has the same "feel" to it as Sheehan bashin'... gettin' women as reluctant "stars"... Posted by: JoannaOregon on August 11, 2005 12:02 AMNancy, your article was superb, well-written too. I'm another reader (infrequent poster) who cringes when "arguments" erupt on this fine site. There is so little i know with certainty. I may attempt to act from an altruistic principle, but there have been times when my acts were antithecal to that principle. I believe Jo posted above (to paraphrase) that we need to attend to greater challenges than proving our points on this board. And, i believe one of the greatest challenges is aligning the self to a consciousness that supercedes ego. Astrology is one tool that points the way. karen Posted by: farrout on August 11, 2005 12:09 AMThanks for the hug, dear Jo... don't know what the hug is for exactly, but I certainly appreciate it (one cancer moon to another)! ;O) I'll be looking forward to what your sister says. We can't supercede our egos just now when Saturn is transiting Leo. We have to confront them, control, them, and learn to use them wisely. Some mistakes will be made along the way. And Mars will be there for six months. Our egos are valuable. Especially when counteracting hubris in the political arena. Ego muscle is being developed now against resistance. Posted by: jm on August 11, 2005 12:23 AMA perfect example is Hillary Clinton, who in her greed and ego lust for power made her reach for the Presidency before she even dealt with her Senate re-election. It looks like she just hit her Saturn wall. I think Pirro is going to be a big problem for her, and it could spell the end of her overblown Presidential ambitions. Correct application of ego would have just enough humility to attend to the immediate challenges with care and respect, and not grab like Aesop's dog for the bone in the water. As Saturn comes to these Pluto/Saturn in Leo people we can learn a lot about ego. Posted by: jm on August 11, 2005 12:38 AMSally, have you taken a look at Hillary Clinton's chart? I've always somewhat admired her but have been disappointed that she doesn't take on some of the harder issues. I wish politicians (generally speaking) could leave the politics out of politics. Posted by: Teresa on August 11, 2005 12:58 AMAnd absolutely, Joanna. "Gold Star". Saturn in Leo in the hot Texas sun. And jupiter aside, Saturn is finally at Bush's front door, in the form of a lone woman. Can't imagine what will happen when he meets Bush's Pluto. Posted by: jm on August 11, 2005 01:02 AMJoanna, you were speaking of your 'tribulations' - the hug was for that... and you mentioned a thread or two back that some of your friends have recently been diagnosed with cancer. The light is for them. Seems to be a number of women diagnosed with cancer lately... namaste Posted by: Jo on August 11, 2005 01:03 AMLone Gold Star Woman for a Lone Star State... She is sick... low grade fever... sleeping in a tent soaked from rain... keep her in light and prayer... Posted by: Jo on August 11, 2005 01:07 AMI'm on my knees. Posted by: jm on August 11, 2005 01:14 AMMis estimados: Do not lose heart
Jo, do you suppose that the prez has any idea how much of a coward he appears by not meeting with Cindy? Not to mention cruel. Posted by: Teresa on August 11, 2005 01:24 AMAccording to R Rhodes on AirAmerica, there's a radio talkinghead who's trashing Cindy S, a dead marine's mother, saying that her son wld be very disappointed in her (using ugly verbage not repeatable here). I don't think that's going to play too well to put it mildly. Yup... another Terri Schiavo fiasco for the necroporns. Marines & their families are calling up very, very upset... ;O) Posted by: JoannaOregon on August 11, 2005 01:26 AMTeresa, yes I have looked at Hillary's chart many times and said that 2004 was her best year for quite a while. She is about to hit a buzz saw with Saturn squaring her Scorpio and going over her Leo Planets and then Pluto on election day 2008 is squaring her Moon, not good aspects for her. She does have some rebound between mid 2007 and Nov. 2008, but she has to get from here to there and I don't know if she is going to make it, not without redesigning herself into authenticity. People asked me "who of the candidates looks good on election day" and Howard Dean looked the best on election day and for several months afterward, but they asked me in Dec. 2003 and I said then that the problem was he had to get from here to there. The question is not who will look the best for winning on a particularly day, but what do their chances look like to stay in the "running." Hillary's chances right now simply do not look good. Posted by: Sally on August 11, 2005 01:28 AMThanks for that, Jo... you're exactly correct. (& I love Clarissa Pinkola Estes as do you). Posted by: JoannaOregon on August 11, 2005 01:31 AMSally, thank you. You're right about the getting from "here to there." I'm just a little anxious and antsy!! I so want this national nightmare to be over. As for Hillary, my gut feeling was that she shouldn't run. I hope she doesn't this time around. Does anyone have any birth data on Cindy? If it's already been posted, please give me an idea how far upthread. Posted by: Teresa on August 11, 2005 01:36 AMMercury is retrograde so I'm not sure if Jonathan made a threat or a promise of leaving (once again). Can we call a truce on Jonathan? I, for one, liked chatting with him. I wish him well. Posted by: Teresa on August 11, 2005 01:38 AMDear Lori, Thanks for the welcome. I hope to contribute. Posted by: terry on August 11, 2005 01:39 AMForgive me, terry, for not saying this sooner. Welcome. Posted by: Teresa on August 11, 2005 01:43 AMTerry, welcome, and I love what you said upthread: "... I think the purpose of astrology is to teach us how to use the energies available at any given time to help us grow and evolve. I think it aids us in our quest to quell the ego's voice and hear the call of a deeper well. It is opening to the wisdom of our hearts that allow us to solve the worlds problems." See, you are contributing. Teresa, you asked "do you suppose that the prez has any idea how much of a coward he appears by not meeting with Cindy? Not to mention cruel." From the inside of his bubble, I would imagine he sees her as a bug on his windshield. I'm sure he wants that bug gone. Rove has called his buddy at Clear Channel and they're bringing in their 'exterminators' --- but I'm with Joanna... they are so out of touch with people... they have misjudged this big time. All Bush had to do was send his limo to pick her up, bring her to the 'big house' --- have a glass of lemonade and listen to her. She would have had her say and left. As it is... YAHOOOO!!! dKos has an e-mail, that they got from DU -- EvanArmstrong@clearchannel.com wrote - Please be advised that due to lack of local interest, the pro-troop rally tentatively scheduled by KWTX-AM, KLFX-FM for this coming Saturday will not be taking place. Please tune into KWTX-AM, KLFX-FM on Monday for comprehensive news coverage and commentary on developments related to the Iraq war protest organized by Mrs. Cindy Sheehan, scheduled to be held in Crawford this Saturday. " What do you guys think? Some think Clear Channel will simply move it to another location/date/time. I don't! That "lack of local interest" says a lot... or not... maybe they'll import some soldiers? Posted by: Jo on August 11, 2005 02:17 AMWhaddaHOOT!! "Lack of interest..." That'll work. ;O) Posted by: JoannaOregon on August 11, 2005 02:32 AMThis piece is mighty fine... * The Proverbial Truth About gw bush & Cindy Sheehan Hang in there Cindy, the country is behind you. http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_anthony__050810_the_proverbial_truth.htm Raj, (((((((((big smile))))))))))) ............... http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/10/opinion/10dowd.html New York Times (Mo Dowd): Cindy Sheehan, a 48-year-old Californian with a knack for P.R., says she will camp out in the dusty heat near the ranch until she gets to tell Mr. Bush face to face that he must pull all U.S. troops out of Iraq. Her son, Casey, a 24-year-old Army specialist, was killed in a Sadr City ambush last year. The president met with her family two months after Casey's death. Capturing W.'s awkwardness in traversing the line between somber and joking, and his love of generic labels, Ms. Sheehan said that W. had referred to her as "Mom" throughout the meeting, and given her the sense that he did not know who her son was. The Bush team tried to discredit "Mom" by pointing reporters to an old article in which she sounded kinder to W. If only her husband were an undercover C.I.A. operative, the Bushies could out him. But even if they send out a squad of Swift Boat Moms for Truth, there will be a countering Falluja Moms for Truth. It's amazing that the White House does not have the elementary shrewdness to have Mr. Bush simply walk down the driveway and hear the woman out, or invite her in for a cup of tea. But W., who has spent nearly 20 percent of his presidency at his ranch, is burrowed into his five-week vacation and two-hour daily workouts. He may be in great shape, but Iraq sure isn't. More.... Posted by: Pat C on August 11, 2005 03:43 AMWell, it seems to me that Mars and Mercury are duking it out ....I am sorry that Never finds us stomach churning, but that's HIS/HER issue, not ours....and I like was someone else said. about not having to announce such things...leave or go as you please. It is also nice that people offer hands in friendship. So all of these things exist here. A story from SF struck me as being appropos to this discussion of communications at odds....and that is that KNBR radio fired a sportscaster and 2 producers today because they made fun of the Carribean players on the team. The manager, the legendary Felipe Alou, refused to take an apology, so the A hole sportscaster produced another spot on which he did a bit again on this. So the station fired them. Well...it is the SF Bay area, and that kind of nasty rhetoric from the radio (Mercury) against the hero of SF GIants (Mars) didn't work...Mars won.Hubris failed. WV...your are a lovable guy in reality....but you don't suffer fools...and sometimes we all have to alter our behaviors. Today was my daughter's birthday (Aug 10, 1969, Hollywood, CA)...The Onion, the saterical web site, ran an article which really upset her dad in NYC....as Emily was born at the frenzy of the Manson murders in LA in 1969....and they ran a spoof using not the Manson gang, but the Partridge Family. To him that hurt, but as he said, that was his problem, not the rest of the world's (except maybe the parents of all the other babies born that day in LA....and there were a LOT of them!). I think we need to realize what is personal, what is not and act accordingly. Not everything is as it seems... Bhakti...what would the artist people do without the word people!!!! muahhhahahahahah! Posted by: judi gemini on August 11, 2005 03:53 AMBoy...Cindy needs lots of white light, now, as her body must be weakening if not her mind. And I think at some level she is willing to go the distance now.....she is no shrinking violet, and a lot of light went out of her life when her son died. I just wish it hadn't had to get to that point for so many people, but that is their journey in the end - all one can do is offer support. All those people in Ohio...and all the horrible suicide stories coming out. (not to mention the other side of it, the torture statistics out of Iraq)...quel horror. Posted by: judi gemini on August 11, 2005 03:59 AMHAHAHA WV!!!!!! I walk on water, too, but only in the wintertime in northern climates, and veeeeeery carefully. My dearest friends are Capricorn Suns; my Saturn is at 12+ Cap in 1st, opp 6+ Cancer Mars, sq 9+ Aries Moon and 11+ Libra Sun. 22 Sag rising (conj Jup). My Mercury is 4+ Scorpio: I mainly dig around in muddy caves. You are one Capricorn powerhouse! Cheers to you, WV! Life should be better Judi. Posted by: Pat C on August 11, 2005 04:13 AMGentle, gentle people...just finished reading all the posts to date...whew! Does anybody remember the chart of the 2nd Bush Innauguration with Ceres sitting right on the descendent opposing the ascendent and squaring Neptune. At first I thought it was the Shiavo case, but now I think it also includes Ms. Sheehan and the grieving mothers and fathers mentioned in a far earlier post...(I've forgotten whose)as well as this post. Aspects to Ceres in this chart besides those just mentioned: Sextile Venus/Mercury in the 9th, Quintile Chiron in the 19th, 135 degrees to Vesta (zealotry) in the 12th and Square Juno (the tornado) in the 10th. Some of the same strands of protest which started to coalesce (sp?) during the 1970's during Vietnam are again taking place...even down to well placed soldiers back from Iraq (Vietnam) truth telling about their experiences. Now we need a Joan Baez or some such groups... Lebanon edgy these days. Posted by: Beasley on August 11, 2005 04:18 AM Yeah, what Judi said. What's personal is, what isn't, isn't. And disagreement -- even vehemently -- is part of discussing, is it not? Also, yes, let's cut Jonathan some slack as well! How would you like Mars poking you in the Moon for 6 mos??? YEOUCH! Posted by: Lori on August 11, 2005 04:18 AMPat C...yes, life should be better....and tomorrow, I take early retirement .....so maybe I will make a comeback! This sure is no Partridge Family world. I think when people return from a disagreement they should let by gones be by gones. I am no can of creamed corn, sitting on a shelf with a clear label with thousands of others, and I don't think this site is that. We gonna pop the lid every once in a while, as the planets laugh hysterically behind their collective hands. Posted by: judi gemini on August 11, 2005 04:47 AMneed a lift? click here... http://www.allhatnocattle.net/7-27-05_photo_of_the_year.htm Posted by: Jo on August 11, 2005 04:47 AMOps! Sally...thanks for the responses up thread....I sense that the fireworks will begin on Monday/Tues....and escalate. I feel sad. (Shoot, I am also sick with a bad chest cough). I fear for Cindy Sheehan's health, but then, I am VERY hypochondriacle by nature .... must be old Scorpio). Not sure what I am sensing, but it ain't peace.....but at least it isn't a Clear Channel pro Bush/Anti Sheehan bar b que. Posted by: judi gemini on August 11, 2005 04:56 AMOh wow Jo. I can dream on that one! Judi, what does that mean, early retirement? Aren't you an amazing graphic artist?? This is Merc R you know. Posted by: Pat C on August 11, 2005 04:58 AMFrom my e-mail: "I was at a private house party on August 2nd in Georgia with Senators Reid, Schumer and Pryor. And the grand DLC plan is simple for 2006 - no DEM primaries. They plan to choose the DLC candidate and force all others out of the race. Just like they did in PA with Casey. The exact Schumer (DSCC Chair) quote is: So, bye bye primaries, folks. The good DLC will be choosing our candidates from here on out." Posted by: Pat C on August 11, 2005 05:00 AMPat C....we dems have been shooting everyone in the back, but that is politics....the stakes must be pretty high in their eyes....but it's also a little fascist, no? I have no work, no income, no assets, no retirement fund, as it was gone long ago. Thank you to the IRS, which is still after me for a mistake they made, which has now mounted to almost 16K. My mom is in a nursing home. I get calls every day from some jackass computer call asking to talk to an "adult" ....although you can't really talk to a machine, can you? I am almost out of money, and with the early retirement plus a similar amount from an uncle I can finally feel a bit more secure. I would have to wait untill 66 to do this....not enough money now to get to October, let alone 2009... after grandchildren are a little older, I will have more freedom. Can you tell Saturn is on my Venus/MC and heading for Pluto? Posted by: judi gemini on August 11, 2005 05:10 AM(((((Judi Gem))))) Posted by: Jo on August 11, 2005 05:19 AMPat...there are things going on in the storyboard/agencies in the US which are troubling, including offshoring. They are Walmarting the art work....agents are signing up people to do work ad taking huge cuts; some just rip the artists off...sometimes they work for 33% of the price of the piece....we as a group are starting to work for nothing. It is once again a sea change in business practices...big storyboard agencies don't even reveal the artist's last names, they are basically churning out work (a team will do 100 frames overnight! - I was asked to do that by a local agency and when I said, that is impossible, they never called again, but went to the conglomerate storyboard agency)...working for the company store. AND agencies all over are sending storyboard art to Korea, India, Israel, Europe for cheaper prices (I hear THAT'S not working out too well!!! can you say TIME change?) Yeh...I am VERY good.....and the little work I get is 25% less than what I used to get. Cutting my agent out....and she hasn't been able to get me work since last May. The agencies are also losing businesses, as they get new CEOs, etc...and THEY are requesting cheap work..... I've been thru two career changes so far....I will retire and rethink in peace. This time I'll do what I want. Thanks for asking, Pat C.,sorry to dump....but I am indicative of the world we live in now in the US. Posted by: judi gemini on August 11, 2005 05:19 AMThanks Jo....I forgot to add...no husband either! The lady at Soc Sec, after I explained to her why I needed to do this said, 'lets get those checks ROLLING!" I am the 4th of my friends born in 1943 in my high school class whom I am still in touch with to do this. Posted by: judi gemini on August 11, 2005 05:22 AMI can't find your e-mail address judi. If I click on your name nothing happens. Posted by: Pat C on August 11, 2005 05:44 AMDear Garry, Judi, Nancy, Jo and others, Thank you for your kindness and heart-felt words. I will visit here as often as possible for inspiration and hope, as well as astro insights. I believe that reading the stars can make a difference, and I certainly am grateful for all the good work being done here. Peace (someday soon) :) Here are some links I got off DU on who is going to Crawford to join Cindy - some Gold Star families are already there (1st link) and Houston moms are on their way (2nd link). G-d Bless America. http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=51528 http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou050810_mh_crawfordmoms.5edd9695.html Welcome, light & blessings to Michael Kohlhaas and to Terry. Posted by: Sharon on August 11, 2005 05:59 AM* Independent truckers stage work stoppage As someone who is Jewish i have to say that much of the "anti-zionist" tone of the anti-war movement was a real turn off. I spent quite a bit of time and energy supporting Kerry - but I see more people who are Jewish not feeling welcome on the left. For the last 100 years Jews in the US have been an important force supporting progressive politics from unions to the civil rights - so if the left moves to alientate this group it's a mistake. As to Israel it's a bit too late to turn the clock back - many living in Israel are Arab Jews/Persians who CAN'T go back to their old homes in places like Iraq, Syria or Iran. Also there are many folks in Isreal who don't support being in Palestine - and anti-zionist statements play into pushing people into the Likud party. It should also be pointed out that we could support a Palestinian homeland in places like Jordan, but we don't for our own political reasons. But the one thing that I wish the most is that people would get that the key to having peace would be to have a stable Palestinian state living side-by-side with Isreal. Until people get out of an "either or" mindset there will never be peace there. Also I never see anybody on questioning Pakistan's right to exist - why is a homeland for Muslim Indians any less valid than Jewish Arabs? Not only that but Pakistan gave nuke technology to both North Korea and Iran, but because they are a US client state nobody bats an eyelash. Nevermind that India is the laregest democracy in the world and that Pakistan is a dictatorship. Where are the demands for the Hindu right of return? It's what Ghandi would want - no? Anyway I'm not posting this as flame bait - but just to point out that the world isn't as black and white as our leaders and corporate news media would have you belive. Our enemy isn't the right or the left, but people who cling to ideology over reality. When we look back at this Sagg. Pluto era and see a President against teaching evolution and stem cell research we are going to see this sad period for the mini-dark age that it is... Posted by: Michael from NYC on August 11, 2005 08:03 AMI really appreciate AW. I learn so much from coming to this site to relax and keep up with the news. Thanks to all of you. This is my home away from home.bjt Posted by: Betsy on August 11, 2005 11:23 AMJudi, Michael, most people that I know do not question the right of Israel to exist. Most people I know would rather not have this blood feud be the continual center of the world's attention. There are those however who would love to use this unedning feud to expand unrest for their own purposes. I can't think of a single year in my lifetime when this has not been an issue.
Bush: Tall in the Saddle Again Muslim Radio: Crappy as Ours Much More.... Posted by: Pat C on August 11, 2005 12:39 PMBernard Goldberg on the Today Show now hawking his book "Screwing Up America" which attacks the BLUE portions of America. He is continually attacking the 'cultural elites". Posted by: Pat C on August 11, 2005 12:43 PM
Karen Armstrong Guardian Human beings, in nearly all cultures, have long engaged in a rather strange activity. They have taken a literary text, given it special status and attempted to live according to its precepts. These texts are usually of considerable antiquity yet they are expected to throw light on situations that their authors could not have imagined. In times of crisis, people turn to their scriptures with renewed zest and, with much creative ingenuity, compel them to speak to their current predicament. We are seeing a great deal of scriptural activity at the moment. http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5259900-103677,00.html Posted by: wv on August 11, 2005 01:25 PM
THURSDAY, AUGUST 11, 2005 WV, how interesting that you posted a Karen Armstrong article! I just heard of her yesterday, from my voraciously reading friend, in an e-mail: "I just finished called "The Spiral Staircase" Some excellent posts from Salon: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/8/10/151739/912 This is a really excellent essay. The comments are great, too. Long, but worth the read and the discussion. Military experts say it's time to cut our losses in Iraq by Sharon Jumper As many of you know, I'm a veteran and the mom of a soldier, and I've been against this war since before it began. When I was in the Army, I was in military intelligence; I've got degrees in political science, law, and am finishing my doctorate in public policy right now. I'm not a pacifist by any stretch of the imagination. For the past two and 1/2 years, I've lived this war as a scholar (my dissertation is on the occupation), a professor, a veteran, and a mother. The time has come, however, to draw a line in the sand. It's time to end the occupation of Iraq and bring our troops home now. Much more... .................. Gore Vidal foretold that w would be the first president to preside over an army in mutiny. It appears his prediction is coming to pass. ................. from this morning's Juan Cole: Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, leader of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI), has made his move. Giving a speech in the holy city of Najaf, he demanded that the nine southern Shiite-majority provinces be allowed to form a regional confederation that would deal with the central government in Baghdad. This confederation would mirror the "Kurdistan" confederation of northern provinces already established. The southern confederation, which some call "Sumer," in honor of the ancient civilization of that region, would make a claim on some percentage of the petroleum revenue coming out of the Rumaila oil fields.
Thank you and hugs... Posted by: wv on August 11, 2005 03:08 PM
Karen Armstrong is one of my favorites, I have My other favorite is Arundhati Roy, and Indian wv, I have long admired her. http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=51&ItemID=2919 Confronting Empire I’ve been asked to speak about "How to confront Empire?" It’s a huge question, and I have no easy answers. When we speak of confronting "Empire," we need to identify what "Empire" means. Does it mean the U.S. Government (and its European satellites), the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, the World Trade Organization, and multinational corporations? Or is it something more than that? In many countries, Empire has sprouted other subsidiary heads, some dangerous byproducts — nationalism, religious bigotry, fascism and, of course terrorism. All these march arm in arm with the project of corporate globalization. Let me illustrate what I mean. India — the world’s biggest democracy — is currently at the forefront of the corporate globalization project. Its "market" of one billion people is being prized open by the WTO. Corporatization and Privatization are being welcomed by the Government and the Indian elite. It is not a coincidence that the Prime Minister, the Home Minister, the Disinvestment Minister — the men who signed the deal with Enron in India, the men who are selling the country’s infrastructure to corporate multinationals, the men who want to privatize water, electricity, oil, coal, steel, health, education and telecommunication — are all members or admirers of the RSS. The RSS is a right wing, ultra-nationalist Hindu guild which has openly admired Hitler and his methods. More... Posted by: Pat C on August 11, 2005 03:26 PMWV, I'm a huge fan of Roy... she's brilliant... all: Le Monde is front paging Cindy's story today; also Cindy has a diary at dKos... press conf scheduled for 11:00 am today and Bush at 1:00 http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/8/11/9219/46707 Posted by: Jo on August 11, 2005 03:28 PMWayne Madsden has report on Iran: August 10, 2005 -- U.S. prepared to grab Iran's southwestern majority Arab and oil-rich province after saturation bombing of Iranian nuclear, chemical, and command, control, communications & intelligence (C3I) targets. According to sources within the German Federal Intelligence Service (Bundesnachrichtendienst - BND), the Bush administration has drawn up plans to hit Iran's nuclear, other WMD, and military sites with heavy saturation bombing using bunker buster bombs and tactical nuclear weapons. ~snip~ "Neo-con plans to attack Iran include severing oil-rich Khuzestan Province from the rest of the country and having it declare independence as "Ahwaz." http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/ Posted by: Jo on August 11, 2005 03:34 PMMicahel Kohlhaas, white light and blessings to you... while I do not support Bush's invasion of Iraq nor his agenda for other wars, other acts of aggression, I do wholeheartedly support our men and women who are sent. Know that we hold you in love and support always. Posted by: Jo on August 11, 2005 03:38 PM t r u t h o u t | One Mother's Stand http://www.truthout.org/cindy.shtml
gosh, I missed all the "good stuff"- that's a [bad]joke. This thread is one of the best I've read here in awhile, which probably isn't fair because my 2nd house Leo sun has definitely become pretty self-centered in the last couple of mos. Too bad Jonathon constantly prefered to project his pissiness here, but oh well. I was going to post on what Garry brought up on the military coup/ General's dismissal. Pretty fascinating: http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_government&Number=293872526#Post293872526 This is so right on. It describes perfectly what is happening in my area: http://www.rense.com/general67/wrt.htm Trish Posted by: Patricia on August 11, 2005 05:53 PMSo Friday night was when Cindy Sheehan spontaneously decided to confront Bush. One of the writers is Ron Brownstein a frequent commentator on CNN.. According to Ann Wright, who identified herself as a former U.S. diplomat who resigned to protest the war, Sheehan seemed to make a spontaneous decision to come to Crawford while she was addressing the convention Friday. Wright said many hands were raised, offering to join her mission. As Sheehan put it Wednesday: "I just had the right idea in the right place at the right time." http://news.yahoo.com/s/latimests/20050811/ts_latimes/mothersprotestatbushsdoorstepraisesthestakes Posted by: Morgana on August 11, 2005 06:11 PMNow to find where the time and place was! And I'm supposed to be working. ack. Posted by: Morgana on August 11, 2005 06:12 PMWV....just got an email from my friend Peter whom I worked with doing storyboards since 1993....he just had to take a job at Safeway in the photo processing dept at $8 an hour... Posted by: judi gemini on August 11, 2005 06:15 PMMorgana, I saw the 'time and place' somewhere... I'll try to locate it... she was on a plane I think and someone mentioned what he had said in his press conference at Crawford about 'honor' and noble cause, etc. It so infuriated her she said, "I think I'll take a side trip to Crawford." Posted by: Jo on August 11, 2005 06:30 PMMorgana, just got an email from a fellow living on Treasure Island who does astrology warning of a serve transit over our area (in fact, right thru San Francisco and San Bruno, where I live) On Aug 20. He wrote: Thanks Judi, there's another prediction for sometime in September. Given the activity we've seen over the last several weeks it wouldn't suprise me. For those who don't track earthquake faults the San Andreas drops into the ocean in San Bruno. Drop me an email and I'll send you what I have. Posted by: Morgana on August 11, 2005 06:57 PMOver at talkingpointsmemo.com, Josh Marshall posted the announcement of indictments for Abramoff (for the So Fla matter/murder). Also, more probs for the PAC tied to Delay. Yep, looks like Mr. Snapping Turtle (aka Tom Delay) is looking at some hard times ahead. Posted by: shylurker on August 11, 2005 07:15 PMCouldn't happen to a nicer snapping turtle, huh? I think Cincy Sheehan must have Uranus pretty close to *Ascendant. She is about the right age. Posted by: Timothy on August 11, 2005 07:29 PMThey've got the crosses in the ground now at Camp Casey. I checked out Drudge....he says Cindy's aunt and godmother are against her doing this and want her to stop....http://www.drudgereport.com/ Posted by: judi gemini on August 11, 2005 07:48 PMAdd another one to the defense bench at the treason trials....from Raw Story, How Pat Roberts enginered the info in the run up to the war to deflect blame from the WH and turn it on the Dems....http://rawstory.com/news/2005/HowSenate_Intelligence_chairman_fixed_intelligence_and_diverted_blame_fromWhite_House__0811.html Posted by: judi gemini on August 11, 2005 08:05 PMPeg- "9/22/2005 will be 77 days after 7/7/2005. 9+2+2=13. 9/22 is the 265th day of the year. 2+6+5=13. 9/22/2005 will be 1471 days after 9/11/2001. 1+4+7+1=13. 1(4+7=11)1. 11 inside an 11. 9/22/2005 will be 560 days after the Madrid bombings. 5+6+0=11. Lots of occult numerology going on that day. For whatever it's worth." Before that, someone narrowed the date to before October 1. They're also saying that this General was dismissed because (tinfoil hat alert!!!)he discovered that the nuke terror drill in SC was to GO LIVE(similar to 9/11.){The SC drill scenario involves a nuke being smuggled off a ship and detonated on shore.) Have a good day everyone! :) Oops, I meant WAR, not was in the first paragraph above. %$#$%^&* typing.... Posted by: Garry on August 11, 2005 08:28 PM
And all the sons of Congressmen! And the two adorable 100 Proof Bush daughters! (Ginna and Tonic) "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." “That we are to stand by the president, right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.” http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1750.htm
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones | August 10 2005 The head of Fort Monroe's Training and Doctrine Command, four star general Kevin P. Byrnes, was fired Tuesday apparently for sexual misconduct according to official sources. Other sources however have offered a different explanation for Byrnes' dismissal which ties in with the Bush administration's unpopular plan to attack Iran and the staged nuclear attack in the US which would provide the pretext to do so. According to reporter Greg Szymanski, anonymous military sources said that Brynes was the leader of a faction that was preparing to instigate a coup against the neo-con hawks in an attempt to prevent further global conflict. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2005/100805fourstargeneral.htm Posted by: wv on August 11, 2005 09:08 PM
This one isn't really too surprising as McCain won the 2000 primary in the state 49-to-30% over George W. Bush. But it is interesting to see where GOP primary voters in New Hampshire are leaning this far out. It's also interesting to see what ARG is assuming the candidate slate will look like, even if the numbers don't mean too much. Posted by: wv on August 11, 2005 09:11 PM
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pinhas Wallerstein, a leader of the Yesha Council of settlements, yesterday said that during tonight's anti-disengagement rally in Tel Aviv's Rabin Square, "we will call on supporters to violate the military order closing Gush Katif." He added that settlers would instruct activists to break through barriers near the Gaza Strip to get to the Kissufim road any way they could. Former chief rabbi Avraham Shapira, the spiritual mentor of religious Zionism, has also told settlers to ignore the disengagement implementation law because it violates "a total ban on handing over Israeli land to foreigners." He said this applies to every Jew, "soldier and civilian," and anyone who failed to observe it would never be exonerated, "not in this world or the next." Hi Lori: I just read your comments on Ms. Armstrong and have to say a few things about her as she is most intriguing to me and shares such profound knowledge. Thank you for mentioning her. I first learned of her from interviews on NPR right after 9/11. Probably the Diane Rehm Show?? Dear Jo, Hi. I think you are a precious gem! When I read your postings, I am always in "awe" of your keen insight and the clarity in which you express yourself. Especially loved your "Treasongate" comments from a few days ago. Beverly, thank you. I believe Fresh Air (Terry Gross) is where my friend first heard of Karen Armstrong as well! I'll see if I can locate and listen to the archives. Thanks again! Posted by: Lori on August 11, 2005 09:50 PMHi Beverly, This is what it takes, you know, all of us looking closely at everything, trying to find the truth and then passing that piece of the puzzle onto others... Much of what is coming out is so difficult to wrap our minds around. I grew up thinking we were the guys in the white hats, we never did wrong, our leaders never lied and surely would never put us in harm's way... that members of Congress were statesmen... that the press protected us... I'm eating a lot of chocolate these days! How about you? Posted by: Jo on August 11, 2005 09:53 PMPeg: The date for Mars being close to earth is November 7, 2005. It will be 20% "less" close than August 23, 2004. I looked around google for what it could mean astrologically, but found only generic, personal descriptions. Posted by: Beverly on August 11, 2005 09:57 PMWV, Thanks for your link about Gen Byrnes... at 9:08 pm, that ties into the "drill" planned for mid August that I posted about a thread or two back... then someone posted at Salon that there's another drill planned in Colorado for Sept. 10th. Sally, do you know anything about that? Here's the link for the "drill" in North Carolina. Posted by: Jo on August 11, 2005 10:00 PMPeg that is August 23, 2003. Time flies so fast, thought it was just last year! Posted by: Beverly on August 11, 2005 10:10 PMwhy is it that conservatives are so vile? this is from an article on Sheehan: Some have suggested that Sheehan is disloyal to criticize the president in time of war. Even in Vacaville, Sheehan said, some people say she is shaming her son's memory. Conservative blogger Michelle Malkin disdainfully called the activists promoting Sheehan "grief pimps." Posted by: judi gemini on August 11, 2005 10:12 PMJudi Gem, I believe her voice is rising above their vile shrills... LATimes, NYT both carrying a big article today... coverage at NPR, Pacifica, small radio stations, CNN, talk shows, interviews, Corporate Media is cracking to cover her... they have too... she won't be ignored --- and she is focusing on the fallen troops, which NO ONE has to date... it's an "in your face" the Resident can't abate... he can hide, but that simply leaves the focus on her... Rove can crank away at the Core, but middle America whose children are dying and coming home wounded are asking themselves "why" --- and Bush has yet to answer that... he's too busy cheerleading for another war... I'm not worried about Drudge and his petty 'family members' want her to quit... her husband and children support her... heck, I have a fundie sister --- doesn't everyone! And yes, we do want to focus on grief... 'bout time someone did... "put a sock in it Freepers, Cindy is bright and shiny, like the truth always is... deal with it!" Posted by: Jo on August 11, 2005 10:24 PMJo: I read some place that chocolate releases endorphins into the blood stream which has the effect of calming the body/mind. Honest! We crave it to for the magnesium/manganese too.
Can't keep up with old sufff even, now I have to try to keep up with what's going on with Iran and that it may involve Cheney's nuclear ambitions. Jo, Beverly, I've got After Eight, skinny dark chocolate (no milk) mints just ate one as I read your posts. Thanks. Posted by: Morgana on August 11, 2005 10:43 PM
May You Prevail, Where Others Have Failed By Ralph Nader Should he relent and opens his doors, be sure to ask why he low-balls U.S. casualties in Iraq, deleting and disrespecting soldiers seriously hurt or sickened in the Iraq war theater, but not in direct combat. Remind him of those soldiers back in military hospitals who, with their families, wonder why they are not being counted as they cope with their serious and permanent disabilities. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9739.htm
Cindy's courageous Crawford stand is galvanizing opposition to the war and awakening America to the senseless tragedy that is Iraq. Click here to view. Quick Time Video
By Harvey H. Reading I feel an incredibly deep and abiding anger over what is being done to my country by those in power who murdered her son. For the sake of all those who have lost sons or daughters, and all those who may, for the sake of our own humanity and survival, we must rise up in numbers uncountable, demanding an end to this war NOW, not later. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9744.htm
Hey, There was a report out that 1/4 oz. of dark choc a day is good for the heart! Works for me... grandchildren remind me all the time to take my chocolate! It takes a lot to absorb all this news that keeps coming and coming... a little bit of chocolate helps the bad news go down (my apologies to Julie Andrews!) Speaking of news, this is good... Beverly, this will answer some of the questions you raised your last post.. Raw Story has an exclusive out (they're well recognized now, you know, sort of the NYT of alternative news!!!) here's the links - two parts and a time table, so three links, okay?: Senate Intelligence chairman quietly 'fixed' intelligence, and diverted blame from White House over Iraq Timelline http://rawstory.com/robertsintel.htm Part II Niger forgeries and WMDS – Roberts fingers CIA [Have y'all noticed? A shift in the air? The #$%@ is hitting the fan!!!] Posted by: Jo on August 11, 2005 11:17 PMJoAnna: Thanks for the posting on the Truckers protesting in the Pacific NW. Conversation at work this morning turned to gas prices and a co-worker memtioned a trucker protest in Florida yesterday too.Perfect timing for a Mercury retro-grade. I wonder if it will become even more serious. Posted by: Beverly on August 11, 2005 11:22 PMOh Jo! It is good news. I will have to investigate tomorrow though. Thank you. That Lawyer's blog is overwhelming. I spent at least an hour or more there and still did not finish! Jo and Others: You all do know about "Coingate" don't you? It is a HUGE corruption scandal which involves the State government. Gov. Taft has the lowest approval rating of any U.S. Govenor right now. Posted by: Beverly on August 11, 2005 11:29 PMMore "coup" news, y'all(tinfoil hat optional): http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index798.htm namsate and white light to all......esp. God ...WV....I want to head out for some great dark chocolate of the bittersweet kind....like our current lives, bittersweet but releasing endorphins. Last week when no one was posting makes sense to me now....it was the lull before the storm. Beware the iron cross rising again. Posted by: judi G. on August 12, 2005 12:44 AMMorgana, Wm. Pitt has a video up - he's talking to Cindy asking her about her decision to come to Crawford. She says she made it last WEDNESDAY as she was typing an email to Pitt... that day 14 Marines were killed and Bush said something about "they died for a noble cause" and according to her she "got so pi#$%@" she thought, I'm going to be in Dallas over the weekend for the conference, I'll just go over to Crawford... You can see and hear her here: http://www.truthout.org/cindy.shtml Posted by: Jo on August 12, 2005 01:03 AM* Cindy Sheehan "changed her story on bush"? Tracking a lie thru the con media http://mediamatters.org/items/200508100009 Beverly, thank you. I did catch a blurb about it in the newspaper that said it wasn't as close as 2003. I'll tell ya, it sure feels similar enough to me. Posted by: Peg on August 12, 2005 01:34 AMGarry, I caught that, glad you did too. Here's another thread from one of my most favorite (international) sites, which carries fascinating information (I think you'll like it): http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/59534 Posted by: Peg on August 12, 2005 01:37 AMI just put this up on my blog. It occurred to me that Cindy Sheehan is tranforming the energy in the anti-war movement: THE PROTEST MOVEMENT LIVES! The big event going on in America right now is the growing protest outside of Bush’s ranch in Crawford led by Cindy Sheehan. Not only is the current transit of Uranus upsetting Bush (Uranus opposite his Mars), but it is square the US Uranus, stimulating a feeling of rebellion and protest in the country. The entire month of August is phase two of this transit. It is stimulated very strongly from August 8 through August 18 by Mercury and, to a lesser extent, Mars. Under the liberating Uranian energy, the anti-war movement is coalescing around the person of Cindy Sheehan. People are flocking to Crawford and sending money to support this grieving mother who wants to know why her son was killed. Why exactly did we fight this war, Mr. President? Until recently, questioning the war has been difficult because it has been framed by the Right as not supporting the troops. And since no one wants to demoralize or devalue the troops, many who could have spoken, kept silent. But Cindy Sheehan changes all of that. It is out of her love for one soldier who was lost in this war that she speaks. It is impossible to accuse her of not suporting the troops. In fact, her presence in Crawford is the highest kind of support for the troops possible: she demands that their sacrifice should have meaning and should stand for that which is most honorable and good in America. If it does not, then her support for them requires that they come home. The impact of Cindy Sheehan’s story totally transforms and empowers the anti-war movement in this country. It legitimizes it and washes away any contradiction that might have existed between supporting the troops and being against the war. We are watching a momentous shift.
Tip to Judy Gem: Head on over to Trader Joe's and check out those neat round tins of "The Chocolate Traveler," especially their Bittersweet Wedges. Yum Yum. So that's what unites us: we're a bunch of chocoholics. Viva chocolate! Viva cocoa! Posted by: shylurker on August 12, 2005 02:29 AMPity. The "Counter-Clinton Library" just got flushed. Demetra George on Ceres from Asteroid Goddesses: " In her rage,she prepared for mankind a cruel and terrible year..." Realizing defeat, Zeus commanded Hermes to descend to the Underworld and command Pluto to release Persephone..." And this is what happened. After a few pomegranate seeds later...after some compromise between Pluto and Persephone. As I said in an earlier post, Ceres has great power. She never was a pushover. Now she sits in Scorpio. She is there in the field of death, decay, and in the 2nd Innauguaration Chart she is confounding liars (squaring Neptune). Her voice will be heard far and wide (sextile Venus/Mercury in the 9th). Posted by: Beasley on August 12, 2005 03:10 AMPeg(and everybody) And Nancy, do you read the Rude Pundit? He hit upon a remarkably similar conclusion in his blog today(albeit ruder--please note everyone, the language in his blog is AT LEAST PG-13, more likely closer to R): http://www.rudepundit.blogspot.com/ namaste all and welcome to the shift!!! Posted by: Garry on August 12, 2005 03:13 AMA very interesting opinion from Alia Malek, a lawyer and analyst who has recently returned from the Palestinian Territories. Scroll down to the opinion section at the bottom of the first page. click on No Ressurection in the Holy Land. Some interesting facts. Posted by: Beasley on August 12, 2005 03:29 AMShylurker, sometimes I just stand down by the Burlingame area where Guittard (I think Ghiardelli is there also) chocolate brews their potions up, mostly for Mrs. See's. It used to make going with my daughter during her pregnancies SO wonderful....they should bottle that smell...we'd just stand in the parking lot and luxuriate. Posted by: on August 12, 2005 03:33 AMHey.....Abramhoff and Kidan have been indicted: High-power Washington lobbyist with Congress ties indicted on fraud charges A high-power lobbyist with close ties to a top Republican in the US Congress was indicted by a US grand jury on charges stemming from an alleged fraudulent real estate deal. by email, no url...will try to find it.... US Attorney Alexander Acosta said in a statement that Jack Abramoff and another defendant, businessman Adam Kidan had been indicted by the panel on six separate charges, including wire fraud, and conspiracy to commit wire fraud and mail fraud. Each of the counts carries a maximum penalty of five years in prison and a 250,000 dollar fine. the Rude Pundit rocks (very graphically, lol!) If you go there, read his "pope corpse" schtick. Garry, I saw the Sherman Scolnick stuff already, it goes right along with all the rest of it, ya know? Posted by: Peg on August 12, 2005 04:02 AMoops sorry Garry, that article is different. thank you for posting it. Posted by: Peg on August 12, 2005 04:04 AMThanks Peg. I LOVE the Rude Pundit and wait for his posts every day. If you click on the link to his NY show, you'll find he's a college professor named Lee Papa. Meteor 'Outburst' Expected Friday Morning Peter Jenniskens For as long as records exist, the Perseid meteor showers have always been strong. This summer's Perseid shower will be exceptional. The moon is mostly out of the way later in the night, and higher-than-normal activity rates are expected over the United States. More at http://tinyurl.com/casp7 ---------- Told you Cindy would light things up! :-) http://198.65.14.85/News/2005/31-40/32news14.htm Eating orange coconut patties dipped in dark chocolate There are tectonic shifts and there are tectonic shifts. For one very interesting one, check out talkingpointsmemo.com, Marshall's article just posted (11:59, I believe). Hoo-boy! This just keeps on coming. Scary thought: what're they going to do to stop it? Enjoy it while you can. Posted by: shylurker on August 12, 2005 05:20 AMOn my goodness, Shy, Popcorn is yuuuummmmy - have some! Posted by: Jo on August 12, 2005 05:45 AMI knew the name "Sheehan" was familar... remember the song written by the sister of a young man killed in Iraq? That young man was Casey Sheehan. A Nation Rocked to Sleep Have you ever heard the sound of a mother screaming for her son? Have you ever heard the sound of a father holding back his cries? Have you ever heard the sound of taps played at your brother's grave? Have you ever heard the sound of a nation being rocked to sleep? What an amazing song, Jo. What an amazing family. Kudos to you for remembering...your mind is very sharp. 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