Sally bravo!

Galactic Shift next year.... I sure hope Howard Dean is surfing that wave!

I would love to see the neo-jerks in jail, but I will be just as happy to see the People turn the Repug's out of office in 2006 and that could stop the Bush War machine in its tracks. Then to destroy the hydra.

All the People's of the world are waiting on us.

Lot's to work with in your article, lot's to ponder. Thanks Sally.

Very inspired writing, Sally.

The espi0nage thing is very intriguing. I just read 0n DU that N0vak menti0ned Plame's CIA 0utfit in 2 c0lumns, n0t just 0nce. Hmmmm.... Her 0perati0n was getting t00 cl0se t0 the Saudis...is that possibly the deal??? I'm l0oking f0rward t0 Fitzgerald's next steps.

(btw, my the letter "0" is broken s0 I'm using zer0. Getting a new keyboard 0n M0nday. Als0 "0's" keep c0ming up between letters as the key is s0meh0w being pressed. S0rry, I kn0w this is pr0bably hard t0 read!)

Actually, Sharon, it's funny. I needed the giggle.

Well Sharon, unlike Teresa who thinks this is funny, I so sympathize with you and your o/0 problem. Ok, so it's a little funny, maybe beyond even a giggle, alright I almost fell out of my chair laughing, NONETHELESS, I sympathize and don't stop posting your wisdom because of your o/0. and Teresa, we MUST get ourselves under control.

Threads unraveling, keep that in mind, they have wrapped themselves up in so many tangled bits and pieces of yarn all in their attempt to cover up the lies that got us into this war, it kind of reminds me of that yarn "cat's in the cradle" game. Keep that image in mind of this administration tangled in knots and threads going everywhere tripping them, trapping them I know you can see it.

Right, Sharon, bet lots of folks in the Oval Office are say o0, shouldn't have pulled that d@#$ thread! You been pounding those keys too hard, girl! You get on pounding!

Sally, you are worth the wait... thanks so much for your wisdom... and yes, the fence sitters and Independents are moving away from the Shrub and they'll never go back... this is bringing us full circle with the Nixon and Iran-Contra retreads, and I sure hope we nail them this time. No pardons, so they can rear their hydra heads again! The internet is the tool... and our pit bull of course... may the name of Fitzgerald go down in history!

Thanks for the reminder that they don't do well during tMerc Rx --- I've been anxious about that. Oh, glorious day... there is a huge magnificent light at the end of the tunnel... namaste

Brava, brava, brava, Cap'n Sally!!

Sharon, your little mishap has provided much-needed mirth. That's priceless. I lost the 'L' key on my old computer, Crashy, during the election returns. The numbers for Kerry would not move while the numbers for Smirky kept going up and up. I finally got so frustrated, I hit the keyboard and there went the 'L' key. Yeah, I know: L0L (or LOL, whichever you prefer).

Too bad it wasn't the "W" key. Sally, I hope you didn't hurt yourself when you fell out of your chair.

Sorry, that was me not Sharon. I really must get some control over myself. :)

Aewsome article Sally!!! With Saturn entering into Leo from July 16th, 2005 to September 2nd, 2007, Bush and his cronies will certainly be paying the piper~~~

Howdy Sally and Astroworlders! It's been a long while since I've posted. I'm delighted that the Plame Game is heating up - it's been on the stove for long enough! I would have thought the Gannon scandal would have done more damage but I suppose it takes a lot of drops to wear away a stone.

What I find annoying is that the press are now starting to hound these guys but I don't believe it has anything to do with the American public or national security. It's because the White House press corp were lied to - that's why Clinton's "I never had relations with that woman" comment got so much ad nauseum coverage - he was caught blatently lying to the press corps. I don't have a TV, so I can't gauge how much coverage this is getting, but I hope this is the one (or the final one) that makes the wheels come off the wagon for Bush & Co.

Thanks for having such an awesome site with such insightful comments!

All the best,

Dommael

Wonderful to hear from you, young brother Dommael. Do you prefer microwaved or stovetop popcorn?

Hey Shylurker!

I like the kind with the handle and the tinfoil you have to keep shaking over the fire!!! :-)

Wow Sally, once again you've given comfort and inspired us at the same time. This is such a fabulous article and I am a hundred million percent happy to see it. (And let's not forget about Arnuld, at a 34% approval)

Love the term neo-jerks Morgana

Sharon, sorry for your hiccups, but could you tell me the switchword for forgiveness. (Not too many o's in it I bet.)

That was me, M. who posted above. Don't know where my M. went, probably with your O Sharon.

Oh, that was a great response, Dommael. Between your tinfoil popcorn and Sharon's missing O and M's silent M, it's been quite a day. In return, may I recommend all enjoy the latest from our busyman:
http://www.busybusybusy.com/

John W. Dean | It Appears That Karl Rove Is in Serious Trouble
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/071505E.shtml

S000000 Glad t0 give U guys a little fun!

M, I d0n't have the wh0le list but T0GETHER is the master switchw0rd. S0me0ne here did have the list -- maybe Jill, Teresa, L0ri, Laurie, I can't remember wh0 exactly.

Welc0me back D0mmael!

This is completely off topic. Just popped in and going to read the new article; in the meanwhile, I have a little bit of stock held by a discount brokerage firm. From time to time I get an e-mail "Market Outlook." This is what it said today:

"Empowered by exceedingly generous lending rates and solid job growth, American consumers continued to fuel economic growth in the first half of 2005. An improving labor market, rising home values and higher personal income more than offset rising energy prices and helped boost consumer confidence to its highest level in three years. Americans are now more comfortable with their financial situations than at any time since the September 2001 terrorist attacks. A blend of low mortgage rates, access to credit and favorable demographic trends helped boost sales of new and previously owned homes. Sales of homes in the $100,000 to $125,000 range were particularly strong as renters bought into the American Dream."

***"By contrast, business continues to lag in its contribution to economic growth. Manufacturing growth is expanding at the slowest pace in two years, as manufacturers increasingly feel
the pinch from Chinese competition. Disappointing durable goods orders suggest that capital outlays by companies will fall short of expectations in the months ahead. Although first quarter growth was once again revised higher, this time from 3.5% to 3.8%, the second-quarter figure may reflect lower growth when it is reported later this month."***

So, tell me again about how the tax cuts for the wealthy are going to rev up the economy by expanding business? Isn't that what they said? What the heck happened? Hmm, I wonder what did become of that money the wealthy saved on their taxes. (I know the $11/month extra my husband and I got a couple years ago is long gone. hahaha)

I believe it is Jill G. who has the switchword book and posted a list some time ago.

Sharon, your 0s make your posts artistic and visually interesting. I did not laugh, myself. Just, "ooh, look at that!" or perhaps I should say, "00h, l00k at that!" haha!

Sally, thanks for that article, very nice! You know what MSM has been saying for years now: most of the people are moderates, in the middle. So it shouldn't take much (more!!) for them to recognize the whole horrid picture!

By the way, a little blurb in my morning paper today said Duke Cunningham is hanging up his public slurper shoes; he'll not be running for another term.

I'm looking forward to Pluto at Galactic Center, when it will conj my natal Jupiter in 1st. I've heard such great things on this board about Pluto transiting the 1st.

NoooobOOOdy is kicking butt --- more than Billmon:

Taking a Leak
So suddenly Plamegate -- which no one at the White House will talk about on the record, because it might get them indicted . . . I mean, because it might compromise Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation -- has sprung a whole shitload of leaks.

And whaddya know! They've all appeared on the same day (document dump Friday, no less), they all help shore up Karl Rove's alibi, and they all seem to have come from either Justice Department officials who've been "briefed" on case, or from attorneys who are very familiar with Karl Rove's defense.

Funny how that works.

In terms of the GOP's propaganda offensive, this is what the generals call "committing the reserves." But the leaks have also revealed the White House's line of legal defense -- which appears to be that Rove and his fellow choir boys were led astray by those nasty media whores in their fishnet stockings and pushup bras. They're the ones who outed Valerie Plame, not poor little innocent Karl.

The leaks all purport to give us the inside dope on Rove's testimony to the grand jury, which in turn appears to focus on his critical conversation with the putrifying cadaver of Robert Novak.

more at http://www.billmon.org/

Sally....awesome piece, just awesom...and you wrote about the Sons of Liberty, too....was hoping you would. The pattern for the astrology is becoming quite clear....as if swimming thru a Sargasso Sea of rethug smoke and mirrors and kelp and finally seeing the water starting to clear.

BTW...300,000 people filed for unemployment this week. I haven't had work since late May. got a job (meaning freelance for agency in SF) and then Motorola said they didn't want to pay for the work....so I don't have any work, but it could still come back.

Arnold Superman just vetoed the supplements bill which Sen. Jackie Speier (when I worked on her campaign in 1985 I told her she would be governor one day) had introduced to the legislature (mostly affecting high school athletes)....and he has pocketed about 10 million from his contract with his magazine (body building) with heavy advertising from the supplements market....a clearly immoral conflict of interest far more visible now than all of his other immoral posturing and posing and lies....although, of course, THEY don't see it that way. At the same time he slashed 3 Mil from the budget for sick men with prostate cancer and no insurance. He has just consigned them (hundreds in the program) to death. This is a SICK person.....and a SICK party.

May the Universe create a special punishment for such arrogance and cruelty for him to enjoy. I know that is a bad thing to say, but I don't give a rat's ass.....I am fed up with these wackos posing as human beings. When clearly they are just expensive robot toys with no feelings or heart or carring. I think the Universe needs to take a look at who they are letting 'in' to the world! Well...that is how I feel now, whether I think I am sensible or rational or not, I am enjoying saying it!!! Yahooooooo!

Does everyone know what YAHOO stands for? (YET ANOTHER OFFICIOUS HEIRARCHIAL ORGANIZATION)....Honestly, that is what Yahoo's founders called it.

What an inspiring article Sally! I can feel the threads unraveling, I really can. The freight train is breaking loose, and the good people of the world are on board.

May the hydra, or what I like to think of as the mud people, receed into oblivion.

Sally, thank you, thank you. I knew you would not disappoint! Sorting through all the charts that could be valid must be an awesome task.

Some great info on Saturn in Leo.

http://cainer.com/ericfrancis/eric.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

Some good stuff from the Huffington Post

Oh... or oh...or 0h that's s000OOoo funny Sharon! And Shylurker... L0L!

Sally,

I am always entranced by your historical and big view perspective on all things. It's a great reminder than no one is omnipotent, least of all politicians.

I'm also entranced by the first Cooper e-mail factors... 23 Virgo, 22 Gemini. It's perfect.

"I have said a million times in articles and posts, “we, the people, are the leaders we have been looking for.” We must pick what we want, we must think about others in our “picking.” We must speak out and move beyond fear. When our pain becomes worse than our fear we will speak out with a loud voice. We aren’t just in the middle of chaos, we are in the middle of “creative chaos,” where nothing matches but everything will fit perfectly."

"creative chaos" sounds exactly right with Saturn in Leo opposite Neptune. I love this thought.

I have great faith in Saturn, and you know how much I love Leo. The timing on all of this is glorious. I think the last bombing was a test to see if we have broken the spell of fear, and we passed. Now we can go on to heal our wounded pride. We can stop playing the suckers.
Fitzgerald is our creation as much as all the others. A symbol of the heroic act we are craving. He rode in fast, furious, and mighty. If we are ready to facilitate this fall, then it surely will happen.
Saturn in Leo obliterates hubris, and builds the egos of the more humble who have been waiting in the wings. I feel that as Leo transits and reaches the end when it will trine Pluto, our next leader will emerge. After we have found the leadership within, as you always say, Sally. I'm looking forward to this.

Great c0mments, JM

Good thots, jm! ;O)

rom last night's Countdown -

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8551679 /

snip

STEWART: But what about her colleagues, not to mention the assignment she was working on? Or the agency itself?

We're joined now by former CIA special agent Jack Rice, who is now the host of his own radio show on WCCO in Minneapolis-St. Paul.

Good evening to you, Jack.

JACK RICE, FORMER CIA SPECIAL AGENT: Good evening, Alison.

snip

STEWART: Is it likely that national security has been compromised because of this?

RICE: I think it's very possible. We'll never completely know. Ideally, I hope it hasn't been. But at the same time, what happens here is, if we ever, either side, either political party, start using politics over what's right, over patriotism, we're going to have a very serious problem in this country.

STEWART: And in terms of that ripple effect you talked about, in terms of things being compromised and people's situations being compromised, and their assignments being compromised, how could the damage be repaired?

RICE: I think in this case, what needs to be done is, it needs to be addressed. It needs to be treated as seriously as it should.

Look, if we—if you look at this two ways, you can look back and see what this may have done. You can go back and see what she may have done, and you can look at those assets. That is one implication.

There's a second implication, at what may happen in the future, what happens for any future operations, what other CIA or other intelligence operatives may be willing to do in the future.

If there's a perception that you're going to see people in blue pinstripe suits in Washington wrapping themselves in the flag and talking about God and country while they're exposing CIA and intelligence operatives, you're going to have a real hard time convincing CIA officers to get out into the field and risk their lives for those people.

STEWART: Jack Rice, a former CIA special agent. Thank you so much for your time and your perspective tonight.

RICE: Thank you, Alison.

bravo, jm, bravo

Hallelujah, everyone! It's about time we sing our own praises.
We've just been through the mill and we're still in one piece.... or peace.

http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000172.htm

Rove-Gate
Separating the Wheat from the Chaff

At the end of day one of the Karl Rove counteroffensive in the New York Times, Washington Post and AP. I wanted to commend to you two excellent blogs that help provide some grounding about what is really going on, why the day to day headlines might not mean much and why the right wing spin machine's line to put it delicately, needs some retooling.

First, read a piece by one of the better investigative and political reporters in the business, Murray Waas, in the American prospect. He provides a useful framework to analyze the news: who is talking to the press and who isn't and how does that affect what is reported? The only person who really knows what is going on, the special prosecutor, isn't talking. There are many witnesses who have testified before the grand jury. They have bits and pieces of information that may be revealing, but very few of them are talking either.

Next, check out the latest entry by Josh Marshall at Talkingpointsmemo.com. The bottom line is that even if -- for purposes of argument -- you accept all of the right wing attacks and talking points as true, they don't matter. Valerie Wilson was a covert operative. (If you don't believe that, please explain to me why a grand jury has been empaneled for more than a year). More than one person in the Bush Administration disclosed her identity and status to Bob Novak and tried to push the story on others. That is a serious federal crime.

Links within text

From Maya Del Mar

SATURDAY JULY 16

Finally! Saturn enters Leo! And bang—very big challenges confront us. For starters, Moon is in intense Scorpio. It is part of a very close fixed grand square, which is almost the exact degrees of the August 11, 1999 Great Solar Eclipse. Remember that the path of this eclipse went from New York across the Atlantic, over Europe (now having many problems), the Balkans, and the Middle East, into India.

(The Great Solar Eclipse was at 19 Leo, opposing Uranus in Aquarius, and squaring Saturn in Taurus and Mars in Scorpio.)

Here we have Mercury opposing Neptune, Moon opposing Juno, and all squaring one another between 17-19 degrees of the fixed signs. In addition, Saturn just entered fixed sign Leo, and opposes Chiron in fixed sign Aquarius. (See General Influences for more detail.) Plus Venus in Leo makes a very close grand fire trine with Mars and Pluto. Fireworks!

Fixed signs change with difficulty, conflict, and crisis, but their changes tend to be permanent. We see here the kernel of the unfolding story of Saturn’s two-year journey in Leo.

Every planet and asteroid is closely involved now. That translates to everybody and to all of society. The squeeze is on. A fixed grand square can sometimes feel like a being in a pressure cooker, or being held against the wall. There is no escape.

In Washington DC, Juno is overhead. Juno represents fear, terror, and abuse—as well as partnership. In Taurus there can be an overwhelming fear of not getting “my due.” One can never get enough. Moon in Scorpio sits at the bottom, tough and ruthless about getting what it wants. These are the two instrumental energies. We’re hearing about the U.S. torture policy. We haven’t seen anything yet! Mass torture may become routine. All IN OUR NAME.

Leo Venus is close to the Leo Ascendant. I consider Leo to be the strongest sign. It is indeed the sign of the Sun, our source of life. Venus in Leo creates its drama to express its values and desires. Venus now runs the show, from a bit behind the scenes. It conjoins the Bush Venus. Neptune is the fatal flaw here. It leaves reality behind, and at some point, reality will intrude. The U.S. cannot go on with this destructive rampage. We cannot put up with it.

We are now entering a period of great trial and tribulation. We cannot let the U.S. open the gate further by going to war with Iran.

Karl Rove's Nondisclosure Agreement

A fact sheet released today by Rep. Waxman explains that the nondisclosure agreement signed by Karl Rove prohibited Mr. Rove from confirming the identity of covert CIA agent Valerie Wilson to reporters. Under the nondisclosure agreement and the applicable executive order, even "negligent" disclosures to reporters are grounds for revocation of a security clearance or dismissal.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/071505Q.shtml

Greg Palast | It Didn't Take Long, Did It?

In the USA, the curtain opened on new anti-terror follies Wednesday when three Senate committees, in blustery response to the London bombings, voted to extend the power of the FBI under the Patriot Act to obtain library records without a subpoena. Exactly what suicide bomber or sleeper cell has so far been exposed by this powerful new intelligence weapon, we are not told.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/071505R.shtml

let's hear it f0r galactic shifts! next year c0uld n0t c0me t00 s00n, but in the meantime, i suspect that we all are -- at l0ng last! -- starting t0 see beams 0f light w0rking their way thr0ugh the few but gr0wing gaps in the web 0f lies these p00r excuses f0r humans have w0ven--a web that they 0nly th0ught they might fully drape 0ver 0ur c0llective eyes.

per usual, terrific writing and instructive analysis. i am m0st grateful.

and i f0r 0ne am presently singing the praises 0f saturn's shift, as the taskmaster has been taking chunks 0ut 0f my career-related backside f0r the past tw0 years.

best t0 all.

Chinese General Threatens Nuclear Retaliation if US Helps Taiwan
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/071505A.shtml

China should use nuclear weapons against the United States if the American military intervenes in any conflict over Taiwan, said a senior Chinese military official.

Tucker Carlson just said on his July 15 MSNBC "Situation" chat show that he likes the French because 20 years ago they blew up the Greenpeace ship the Rainbow Warrior at Auckland Harbor, which was "a bold and beautiful thing to do."

A photographer died in this act of state terrorism. The Rainbow Warrior was preparing to sail to French Polynesia to protest France's nuclear testing program there. French saboteurs/secret DGSE agents (the French CIA) were convicted of manslaughter in New Zealand courts. "Democracy Now" reported on July 14 that it has recently been documented that then-French President Francois Mitterand approved this act of terrorism.

Tucker Carlson is endorsing terrorism and calling it "bold and beautiful."

Contact MSNBC and NBC to demand that he be held accountable for publicly proclaiming his advocacy of acts of terror. Spread the word.

Hey jm!!

Really insightful posts lately! If things keep going as they are, I would really like to see a VIABLE third party in the U.S. Its funny, because after living in Europe for nearly four years now, I recognize that as a "screaming liberal" in the states, I would probably be characterized as center right over here! And as we could surely all agree, the current American "right wing" is firmly entrenched in Attila the Hun/Joseph Stalin/Darth Vader territory.

Sure, leadership is within all of us, and ultimately we are all self-empowered to shape/create our own destinies. As a Leo (Aug 17, 1948 5:55 a.m. N.Y.C.) I've always been really self-directed. The reality is however, that every society, from the time that the strongest caveman ruled over the others, has always had 'leaders' and human nature being what it is, probably always will.

For many reasons too long to go into here, I really just cannot see a long term future for progressive,thoughtful, humanists such as ourselves with the badly compromised and essentially wussed out and sickeningly compliant Dem party, and frankly would like to see Dr. Dean finally get fed up with all their b.s. and start something on his own (what do you all think??)

I mean if the U.S. is not ready for a superbly intelligent, pragmatic, straight talking person (emphatically NOT like John McCain; what a corrupted, phony loser!!) who always balanced the budgets in Vt. while Governor; a person who is socially libertarian, fiscally r conservative, believes that universal health care and retirement protection are RIGHTS, and not privileges, wants to REALLY protect the environment, and provide the U.S. with a sane, credible and morally defensible non-aggresive military posture able to defend ourselves against real threats like Mr. Bin. Laden (remember the agency's name : the Department of DEFENSE) and who thinks the worst thing is to lie to or try to fool and 'play with' the American people, then I guess we should all perhaps just give up on the political process in this country after all! I sincerely hope this does not have to be the case.

PLEASE, fellow Astroworlders, if you have time to read just one text today other than what is on this great site, read this entire article (can anyone tell me how to link something?) at:

www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=6677

I think he REALLY nails it!!

HAPPY SATURN IN LEO!

Sally, brilliant work as usual!

Grizzly, that article by Raimondo you linked does REALLY NAIL IT and opens up the possibility of real purging of this administration. Hope everyone reads it.

Talk about Chutzpah...is there no end to their
greed???

http://www.antiwar.com/reese/?articleid=6683

Incredible article, Cap'n Sally, and good to have you back!!! Great posts all keep 'em coming--
allow me to momnentarily drop in a different thread about my favorite cause: the stink from Ohio getting more intense.....

http://www.dispatch.com/election.php?story=dispatch/2005/07/16/20050716-A1-00.html&chck=t/

namaste all and welcome Saturn into Leo!!!

I can't get to the Justin Raimondo article no matter how I approach it. I can't even get on to www.antiwar.com. Think the site is being blocked?

(my smart husband suggested I cut & paste the letter "o" each time I need to use it...very lab0ri0us!)

Sharon, give this a try.

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=6677

Just takes me to a "this page cannot be displayed" screen, Pat. Wonder what's goin' on.

I don't know Sharon. It worked for me. Maybe there is a glitch in the startup. Maybe try restarting your computer and try the link again. I've experienced that before.

I can't get www.antiwar.com either; & my 0 w0rkes, just fine!
I googled antiwar.com & that came up BUT, /justin/?articleid=6677 wasn't to be found at that website!
Grizzly, to link...open a second window, copy the URL at the top, and paste it____________

HERE
in your message to AW!
Shar0n, Did y0u ever break the heel on one of you're stillettos? Your messages l00k like walking with a br0ken sh0e!
PQ

From Jeff:

IMPORTANT ESPIONAGE ACT FOLLOW-UP: http://www.markarkleiman.com/archives/valerie_plame_/2005/07/more_on_the_espionage_act.php

PRETTY GREAT: http://www.nypress.com/print.cfm?content_id=9012 via Atrios

WHY AM I PRO-TAIWAN: because, given the choice between a democratically elected government & a bunhc of crazy, repressive ^&*(&()*(s... I prefer the former.

Oh, and Taiwan doesn't want to nuke us. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050715/ts_nm/china_taiwan_warning_dc via Mike C ; for more, see http://www.markarkleiman.com/archives/_/2005/07/dangerous_lunacy.php

FINEMAN: clocks must be stoppinjg all across the globe.... useful media analysis from a frequent tool. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8565744/site/newsweek/ via Kos

Hmmm, It's working for me.

That worked for me Pat C......but I had already read it!
I think one of the bloggers At Sm Chimp posted the link??????
PQ

Es there another article you're looking for?

Here's the main link, http://www.antiwar.com/

State Dept., DOD, and Cheney Requested Joe Wilson's Investigation
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/071605Y.shtml

The name rove rhymes and has ring to it with rogue
rove the rogue criminal should be fired if shrub has an iota of ethical moral fiber still left in
him as he claims to be. If rogue rove goes unpunished this country must hang its head in shame, completely impotent when it comes to shrub
and cronies stealing major elections twice and now
the rogue traitor and criminal roaming the streets
free besides so many other crimes not being settled

Sally you don't know how much I appreciate this artical. I had tried to find the historical significance but being history illerate, all my googling did not help.

I am a bit concerned. Will the Eagle becom the Scopion or did it already do that and will rise back to the Eagle. I know I am mixing signs and planets but it makes a good image. No doubt a big power shift.

My concern is that the signers of the constitution where in essense doing a treasonist act against the gov. in power. And the present admistration is doing a treasonist act against the people and constitution.

great article Sally. This Leo is more than ready for a challenge, got my p's & q's and even my o's lined up ready to blast off. The Justin Raimondo article is superb.

Problems with links. That web site moves things fairly quick. At least once a day, so that may be what the problem is. You might try just going to anti war and then see if you can find it in the archives.

It is worth the effort to find it. I am as a progressive democrate and my top sites to find out the truth about Dubya is this one, and he is a libertarian and What Really Happened run by a republican. Go figure. My other site is Buzzflash and I don't know his politics.

Very interesting and thought-provoking interview that addresses the issue of Dems' role in Iraq:
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/15/1340214

And there's more. Interesting little article, but the first response (only one when I was there a few secs ago) is fascinating: http://www.pensitoreview.com/2005/07/15/luskin-makes-some-calls/

Another point to ponder over is these crackpots from reagan,bush shrub and then the imbecile blair
chanting and calling everyone else 'evil,evil' when these arragants are and in case of reagan were all DEVILS themselves, attacking and starting illegal wars, killings etc. These punks
must know evil begets evil and when these devils
committ evil deeds, these WILL beget evil to themselves and their ilk. So immature and imbecile
these morons are, without an iota of grey matter
left on the top.In reagan's case, we all know that
only if shrub and his poodle blair worship another
moral person other than reagan and shed reagan as
their 'role' model.

Raj, you might appreciate in particular a comment I saw somewhere on the internets in the last day or so: KKKKarl is Smirky's brain tumor.

I'm very curious about Patrick Fitzgerald's chart but all I can find is his birth year (1961) and that he was raised in Flatbush, NY. Anyone have anymore on him?

I have a natal Pluto at 2 Leo opposing natal Venus at 5 Aquarius. Am I in troube yet?bjt.

Sharon,

Pat Fitzgerald was a repug senator from Chicago,
IL. So, unless he has the STERLING qualities like
Jarowski and Cox(Attorney Generals during Nixon
administration, I think, who could NOT be cowed down by the TRICKY DICK and his arrogant gang),
only the Almighty can bring the rogue rove to justice. I'm hoping he has the right stuff like
Cox and Jarowski had of the previous ERA!

Raj, I'm from Illinois. Pat Fitzgerald is a shark who nailed our previous Gov.(George Ryan) in a HUGE corruption scandal, and still isn't letting up. Both are Repub. He's also going after Mayor Daley now if I remember correctly.

Raj, all that I can find about him on the net says he has the right stuff. I know he's Republcan but he was a U.S. Attorney, not a Senator. They brought him in from NY as extra assurance that he would be an "untouchable." I think he is one of the good Republcans and, if he indicts Rove or anyone else from the Administration, the fact that he is a Republican means no one can call him partisan.

Raj,

What I, and others, have heard of Fitzgerald did not lead me to believe he would be backing off of Rove and the Bush Gang anytime soon. In fact, I understand that once he sets his sights on something, there's no stopping him ... and should you lie to him, watch out!

I think Rove et al. are in huge, HUGE trouble.

I think the rift in the Republican party is way, way greater than most people realize and this is what is going to bring them down. The survival of the party might depend on it. If we think we're angry, it could be small compared to what some Republicans feel after years of abuse from within the family. The fact that he is Republican is like a golden egg layed in the hands of the Democrats.

Actually, Fitzgerald was born in Brooklyn and lived in NY until moving to Ill to become the prosecutor in the 7th district. As for political affiliation, many people think that because he was hired by the pugs that he too is a repug. He isn't. He once put down Independant until he found out it was an actual party, since then he hasn't claimed any party affiliation. However, I would almost place a money bet that his parents, Catholic, Irish immigrants, living in Brooklyn, were democrats.

Fitzgerald is a LAWMAN... believes in the law, enforces the law. Our nation is founded on LAW... no man is above the law ... now it's the fascists turn to find out that they are not above the law.

Don't you think the CIA is disgusted with the abuse and denigration the entire intelligence community has received at the hands of these fascists? That they are only too happy to aid in bringing justice for the criminal action this cabel committed in not only outing Plame-Wilson, but in blaming them for bad intelligence in the invasion of Iraq, when in fact, they gave GOOD intelligence, it was tossed aside because it didn't fit the mindset of those who were determined to invade? Therefore they 'fixed the intelligence' - which is how Joe Wilson got involved, he saw the 'fixed' intelligence as fraudulent and for that, they smeared his him and outed his wife, and they are continuing to do so. CIA is not going to sit still for this... and neither is Fitzgerald... go pit bull, go!

Henry Kissinger was once powerful too... but aren't their folks in Europe waiting for him to show up so they can indict him for war crimes? Or is that an urban myth?

However, dear Jo, ameriCO administrations have been "doing" war for generations. A fine new book describes the script of which we're all familiar... not confined to bushaholics tho they've taken it to ridiculous & cartoon demogogery... which is probably doing us all a favor. For some reason, I think this publication is most succinct.

* War Made Easy: how presidents & pundits keep spinning us to death by Norman Solomon

http://warmadeeasy.com/

They've smeared the reputation of the CIA, the Pentagon, and the whole nation and they are due for an intervention by fate in the form of criminal justice.

Hubris, Man. It'll get you every time.

Even in the frontier days, the LAW was the Word, wasn't it? Don't mess with the sheriff. This is an American tradition. One of my "dear friends" lond ago ended up in Cook County jail for paying off a judge. That's Chicago, supposedly one of the most corrupt places, and he thought he was immune in his game.

From British news

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/110705bombingexercises.htm

Bombing exercises occurred on the same day in the same locations as the London attacks!!

Remember the practice exercises of 9/11!?

Another fantastic article today: "Follow the Uranium" by Frank Rich at the N.Y. Times. You can either go to the times directly (www.nyt.com)+ link to the editorials (registration required, but worth it for Krugman, Dowd, and Rich)or read about the article on Kos.

PatQOP: Sorry, but I am too hopeless on the computer to figure out how to do what you said, thanks anyway!

http://www.buzzflash.com/index.php?story=Story2

A Little Conspiracy Theorizing from BuzzFlash... Patrick Fitzgerald, Rove Has Got You In His Sights, Take Care.

Interesing, no?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4120792

All this fine music...

"Seasoned audiences of presidential scandal know that there's only one certainty ahead: the timing of a Karl Rove resignation. As always in this genre, the knight takes the fall at exactly that moment when it's essential to protect the king."

The Fall of Kings, eh?

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/17/opinion/17rich.html?pagewanted=1&hp

Oh no!! Grizz!!!

I forgot. You just posted this. Darn good one. Here's the link anyway.

Hello everyone. I hardly ever post, I am much more of a lurker :) I do read everything, I just don't usually comment.

I have been thinking about this quite a bit lately & was wondering if anyone else thought the same thing. This sure feels like Watergate 2 - it was like Scottie was channeling Zeigler last Monday. LOL. Anyway, I only dabble in astrology, so I am hoping someone else might answer this.

Are we going through the Saturn return of Watergate? Except that I think it's off by a year or so, Saturn is 29.5 years, right? & Watergate happened from 1972-1974. But I really don't know how returns work so maybe it is this.

As usual you are an awesome writer, Captain Sally!

I wonder as well what Pluto's transit over the Galactic Center will bring us this time around? As the Black Commentator pointed out a few editorials ago, America is in dire need of a new grass-roots mass movement to reclaim our country. The tide is slowly turning into that direction, I think, as more and more people have finally begun to awaken and question just what the heck is going on in the White House. Even moderate and centrist Republicans are finally starting to wake up, which is a very positive trend.

Hmmm... I'm thinking of angles from which a Third Party might emerge. I think so much hinges upon the outcome of the 2006 elections. If the Dems are unable to capitalize on the faults and corruption of the Bush-Cheney-Rove machine, and are unable to make significant State and Federal gains for whatever reason (i.e. DIEBOLD voting machines), then I think public anger will very likely boil up, over and explode into some kind of social uprising. This might give way to a radical effort to "move outside of the political system" in order to achieve some measure of relief for common Americans.

On the Dean angle, I think it's entirely possible that Dean may leave the Dems, or maybe is somehow ousted by the DLC in the next year or so. It could be again, that the Dems fail to capitalize on the GOP's massive shortcomings in the 2006 Midterms, and Dean gets scapegoated. Or, they may win and he gets booted anyhow. But somehow I don't see him giving up on the Democratic Party unless the Democratic Party gives up on him. This is much more of a political study perspective though (part of my major in college), than astrological. Anyone see any major shifts/changes ahead in Dean's chart?

I think Dean is an obvious choice as a leader to lead a new political movement. He does already have his organization in place, Democracy For America, which his brother, Jim, is in charge of right now.

HOWEVER, we shouldn't rule out the possibility that maybe leadership and direction will come from some other, as yet unknown source as well. What if a massive social/political movement emerged from the Internet? (Remember Dean's campaign manager, Joe Trippi?) I'm thinking maybe some sort of "Super DemocraticUnderground" might suddenly emerge at some point where masses of people gather, not only to openly post their grievances with this government, but rally to organize, protest and enter local, state and federal races.

Such a movement would certainly play on what Captain Sally has said here several times about we the people taking back our power and control of our destiny. Don't you think, Sally?

On a somewhat different note, you know, it's sad when I read stories like this and automatically think of the post-modern Republican Party:

Herd Of Sheep Mysteriously Jump Off Cliff
http://cbs5.com/watercooler/local_story_189152109.html

I was listening to Morning Sedition on AAR on my way to work yesterday morning and they were talking about how much Karl Rove micromanages the entire party. Rove has his hand in so many aspects of GOP operations from the manufacturing of Bush's public persona, right down to state legislature and even city council and school board races! It's ridiculous how much power and influence this ONE man wields within the Republican Party. No wonder they are so afraid to lose him! Without Rove, the entire GOP would literally become unglued.

It does go a long way towards explaining why the Republicans have been so successful vs. the Dems, which by their very nature are reluctant to come together under one message (we have so many -- not that that is necessarily a bad thing, of course). The GOP, under Rove's micromanagement, has had focus. However, that same unthinking, unquestioning "lockstepedness" that has led the Grand Old Party to unite and know legislative and DIEBOLD-aided electoral victories over the past decade is what is now leading them, like sheep, over the edge of a cliff.

When we (and we will) take back the power and control of our country, I'm hoping that something like this might take hold:

A FAIR VOTING SYSTEM FOR THE UNITED STATES -- Making the Case for Proportional Representation:
http://www.fairvote.org/reports/1993/amy.html

The Case for Proportional Representation:
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Political/CaseForPropRep.html

Very interesting discussion found here:
http://www.americasdebate.com/forums/simple/index.php/t9739.html

On a much more personal note - and I have been pretty hesitant to bring this up again, but to those of you who remember my episode with the "girlfriend" in Nigeria - there is some good news now. I have very recently been compensated and reimbursed for my giving. ALL of it, by her. It seems that Stephany has been a very real person all along, and that none of your initial impressions about here were wrong, after all. (Particularly yours, Travieso) At the expense of her appendix, and maybe some lasting diet concerns, her typhoid illness seems to be completely gone now. And she thinks the world of me for standing with her through it all.

For my part, my own fears and paranoia got the better of me, and I overreacted to some of our miscommunications (and simple lack of communications while she was out of it, recovering). I do think I was justified, considering so many of the numerous real scams that are out there. But none of them ever end with the naive contributor getting his money back.

None of this prevents me from feeling like a pretty big ass right now, however. But it seems, maybe I just got incredibly, incredibly lucky this time.

Thanks again, AWers for putting up with me here.

Have you moved lately? How much did it cost? Did the US gov't pay for your move? -------

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A Quarter of a Million Dollars Per Settler

by Charley Reese

The state of Israel – which, the last time I checked, was both a foreign and a sovereign nation – wants the American taxpayers to cough up $2.2 billion in addition to our regular $3 billion-or-so annual subsidy to pay for the withdrawal from Gaza.

Unless the American people raise hell about this, it's a done deal. In Washington, whatever Israel wants, Israel gets. Nevertheless, there are several reasons why the American people should rebel at the latest brazen attack on our treasury by Israel and its American supporters.

First, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon decided unilaterally to withdraw from Gaza. This was in lieu of following the president's peace plan, which Sharon has ignored from the very beginning. Where is it written, on stone or parchment or paper, that the head of a foreign government can decide to do something unilaterally and automatically send the bill to the American taxpayers? We will derive no benefits at all from the withdrawal.

More facts and figures at link:

http://www.antiwar.com/reese/?articleid=6683

I thought that's what 1776 was supposed to be all about, Jo.

What precisely do we owe Israel?

Pat C,
Jo reported the same news (7/7 bomb drills in London) on 7/9 @11:02pm from the prisonplanet blog. This caught my eye the first time because when I got ready to go my library workshop in CT I listened to the NYC news, they also mentioned a bomb drill in downtown NYC that morning. However at that time you questioned the validity of the prisonplanet blog. Are they more valid now? I believed Jo then and you now (again).

NEO, you are damn lucky this time.
However, may it be a lesson that ALL good does not exist in the land of duality. Our emotions which move up and down all day long just proves that. Hope it lends clarity to look at the bleeding heart evolving into strength from wisdom and discrimination. Something liberals, dems and progressives need to learn because the bleeding heart is the old martyr-suffering paradigm. Let Stephany keep earning your trust as well as your good heart. My 2 cents.

bhakti, my question to Jo was by no means a negative question at all.

BTW I'm personally very fond of Jo, and Jo knows that.

...........

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1633703

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1083870,00.html

What I Told the Grand Jury

Posted Monday, Jul. 25, 2005
It was my first interview with the President, and I expected a simple "Hello" when I walked into the Oval Office last December. Instead, George W. Bush joked, "Cooper! I thought you'd be in jail by now." The leader of the free world, it seems, had been following my fight against a federal subpoena seeking my testimony in the case of the leaking of the name of a CIA officer. I thought it was funny and good-natured of the President, but the line reminded me that I was, very weirdly, in the Oval Office, out on bond from a prison sentence, awaiting appeal--in large part, for protecting the confidence of someone in the West Wing. "What can I say, Mr. President," I replied, smiling. "The wheels of justice grind slowly."

More....

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From Yahoo:

Top British ex-diplomat blasts US invasion of Iraq
Sat Jul 16, 6:52 PM ET

One of Britain's most senior former diplomats has branded the US invasion of Iraq "politically illegitimate" in an incendiary new book that the government has moved to block, a British newspaper reported.

Sir Jeremy Greenstock, who was British ambassador to the United Nations during the run-up to the 2003 invasion, makes the comments in a book entitled "The Cost of War", excerpts of which were quoted in Sunday's The Observer.

UN negotiations "never rose over the level of awkward diversion for the US administration", he charges in an extract published in the paper.

More...

http://www.agonist.org/section/__all__

The Agonist: News Queue
Pakistan: Still Schooling Extremists

http://nytimes.com/2005/07/17/politics/17elect.html

Plan Called for Covert Aid in Iraq Vote

Pat C,

No doubt about your fondness for Jo and vice versa. The question posed was NOT personal.

My question had to do with the validity of the prisonplanet blog. I do not have time to read different blogs all day and post for AW (btw, thanks!).

So, 'what up' with prisonplanet??

Merde X 10!
In 1985, when I had to rent out my house & move into my Mothers rental house (to fulfill her lease terms when she went off with my soon to be stepfather) & keep paying my too high mortgage..............I could claim the move from my income tax.
Then in 1986 they changed the tax laws!!!!!!! ( beginning of bipartisan class warfare!)
In 1999, when I didn't have work, but about to collect my widows pension; was paying rent in Portland,
and owned a house outright Downeast, where I could live on my pension, I couldn't deduct the cost of the move home!!!!!!!!!!!! ( because it was "personal choice", not generated by a CORPORATION hiring me for a postion in another area!)
Now I'm to pay for moving Isrealis out of the Gaza strip? I DON'T THINK SO!
Neobuckeye,
I love storys with happy endings! Glad it worj=ked out for you!
Don't be embarrassed...........in todays climate, thinking the worst first is simply a survival mechanism!
Speaking of survival...........saturn is moving on........ off my pluto today!
Lotta learning this week!!!!!!!!Those of you with early pluto in leo; batten down the hatches! Not only did lots of family stuff float to the top this week...........but they completely "EXCAVATED" and rearranged my side yard, while installing the sand filter sewer system. Lost a lot of rasberrry, blackberry, strawberries, and perennials................................
But, I gain 750 - 800 sq. ft. more of level garden space up top in the sun; from what was a steep north facing gully chocked with weeds and trash trees, impossible to cultivate without big equipment. At the bottom an engeneered curving ditch to conduct the water from the culvert around the hill and on down. Before it was uncontrolled, spreading out underground and eroding, washing soil away from tree roots etc. they will also level off a spot at the bottom were I can pitch my screen tent overlooking the stream. Is this a textbook example of pluto's influence????
The situation with Eric isn't quite so "tidy". He's in ICU this week, since Weds., when they did surgery to install a feeding tube. He had trouble breathing, so they put a tube down his throat, ( now removed ) and sent him downstairs. I hope the nutrition they are putting into him, helps build him back up.
By the time he was diagnosed, he was beyond the possibility of natural remedies, at least for now.....I can't read the situation
at all................. so am living in the moment.
Is mercury retro now? Computer's going flooey, I can't connect with my home page, but thank goddess I can access AW!
Thank you Sally for the very enlightening and positive article!
PQ

bhakti, I try to faliarize myself with the sources I get my info from, I was unfamiliar with Prisonplanet. I was asking Jo if she had found them to be reliable. It was really that simple.

These are emotional times for all of us I guess. Even so I do try to stay as clear as I possible can so I can't be called on anything I send out. That was the source of my question.

Yesterday I sent a local article out to the list of people I send articles to. By the end of the day, it wat on some book authors lists and finally I saw it on Air America. I really try to be careful so that my info will continue to be trusted. We don't have a trustworthy media so we have to seek sources and communicate it to eachother.

LOL, that word should have been familiarize.

Oh bhakti, I see I still didn't answer your question.

I have found that Prisonplanet is pretty reliable now that I have watched for a bit. Their stuff has panned out so far. I'm glad they are out there.

Very sound words of wisdom for NeoB, Bhakti. I have taken them unto myself! Some of my friends are trying to drag me into the bleeding heart martered Mother role.
It doesn't fit, the situation, or where I am developmentaly!!!! It doesn't fit Eric either.......... We have to make our own path!
PQ

More from Cooper

http://tinyurl.com/9byzl

Pat QOP, AMEN.

From Josh Marshall

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2005_07_10.php#006122

Let's review some interesting connections.

Today's article about the Plame case in the New York Times focused on this classified State Department memo. This is the memo which stated that Valerie Plame (identified as 'Valerie Wilson' in the memo) had recommended or arranged for Joe Wilson to make the fact-finding trip to Niger. And Fitzgerald's office appears to believe that that memo was the ultimate source of the information that eventually made its way into print in Robert Novak's column.

But remember, the CIA believes that that memo contains not just incorrect but fraudulent information. TPM Reader DK very helpfully reminded me of this passage from an article in the Post from December 2003 ...

But sources said the CIA believes that people in the administration continue to release classified information to damage the figures at the center of the controversy, former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV and his wife, Valerie Plame, who was exposed as a CIA officer by unidentified senior administration officials for a July 14 column by Robert D. Novak.
Wilson, a prominent critic of the administration over Iraq, has said that was done to retaliate against him for continuing to publicize his conclusion, after a 2002 mission for the CIA, that there was little evidence Iraq had sought uranium in Africa to develop nuclear weapons.

Sources said the CIA is angry about the circulation of a still-classified document to conservative news outlets suggesting Plame had a role in arranging her husband's trip to Africa for the CIA. The document, written by a State Department official who works for its Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR), describes a meeting at the CIA where the Niger trip by Wilson was discussed, said a senior administration official who has seen it.

More....

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/17/105319/153

MR. BUSH, HAVE YOU NO SHAME?

This is an important story in its own right but also to confirm the Bush WH pattern of dangerously abusing national security matters for political gain or political cover.
 
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/nellie-b/still-waiting-for-the-fol_4264.html

Still Waiting for the Follow-Up

It's been more than a week since I pointed out how amply the major US media covered the August 2004 outing of an al-Qaeda insider that Pakistani intelligence had "flipped" into spying on the bad guys for our side. "Until U.S. officials leaked the arrest of Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan to reporters, Pakistan had been using him in a sting operation to track down al-Qaeda operatives around the world," reported CNN at the time. The United States apologized for the leaks, which put a premature end to "a big MI5 and police surveillance operation in Britain."

More....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8605680/
Reporter: Rove was first source on CIA leak

A good frame for debating.
Opinion: n ! A conclusion or judgement held with confidence, but falling short of positive knowledge.
4. A common or prevailing sentiment.

Knowledge: n 1. A result or product of knopwing: information or
understanding, acquired through, experience, practical ability or skill.
2. Deep and intensive learning.
Use on those glib ones who say "We're all entitled to our opinion!"

My opinion, + observation + knowledge from connecting the dots, was reinforced by hearing 3rd. hand from Sir Jeremy Greenstock, who played golf with the Grandkids nanny when he was stationed here. She relayed his skeptiscism about going into the war. THIS TRUMPS PEOPLE WHO LISTEN
TO RUSH LIMBAUGH!!!!
PQ

Will this insanity, this ongoing nightmare, never end?
http://www.blackcommentator.com/146/146_guest_brown_iraq_journalist.html

Anyone catch that Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack has been tapped to lead the DLC? I wonder how significant this is, given that Vilsack was one of Howard Dean's biggest supporters during the '04 primaries?
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/nation/12140489.htm

Hi, you all, I am back for a while...Merc retro shadow period having its affect on everyone, it seems....so I am going to also post the Frank Rich article from today:

Message from sender:
Good old Frank Rich. Guy knows "theatre." So, there it all is, in a nutshell.

OPINION   | July 17, 2005
Op-Ed Columnist: Follow the Uranium
By FRANK RICH
We shouldn't get hung up on Karl Rove - or on most of the other supposed leading figures in the leak scandal thus far.

And I will relate this to Tim Russert's interview yesterday of Woodward and Bernstein in which they talked for an hour about the events leading up to Watergate.....small little things which loomed large in the end, like the taping of the lock on the door to Watergate Towers (taped twice, as the night watchman found and removed it .....whereby they taped it again. This time he called the police. But the only unit to be able to come was a plain clothes unit of guys in casual dress....so the burgler 'lookouts' across the street didn't WARN the burglers...leading to, of course, the whole thing blowing up)....33 years later, W & B are still incredulous at the LITTLE things which brought down the worst case of election subversion in history (until now, which Woodward pointed out.) They are interviewing because of the new book on Mark Felt, The Secret Man....lots more....Nixon had 50 burglers and spies on the Dems, and boasted that they had subverted McGovern's presidential hopes and got Muskie in because of all the spying, etc, they did...because Muskie was less of a 'threat'..! They kept saying, W & B, that people still don't understand how bad this was, the extent of it....they even mentioned the selection of Lawrence Eagleton as Veep, and then the 'sudden' announcement that he had been treated in a mental hospital....yeh, now I understand THAT one....

So what Rich says is that this isn't about Rove, this is about the subverting of the US gov and the consequent deaths of Americans and the going to war, etc, etc...you know the whole, enchilada....they extent of which must be far worse than Nixon's stuff....except that the rethug Kissinger extended the war in Vietnam....so many more may have died in Vietnam than so far in Iraq...and I don't mean just US...I mean civilians in Iraq.

OY....the cycles repeat.....over and over. And I think there will always be the Patrick Fitzgeralds who understand the loyalty to the law rather than to partisan political parties. Thank the goddesses....

The URL for Frank Rich article....(only did the first line and forgot the URL)

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/17/opinion/17rich.html?ex=1122264000&en=65a8cd4de94296df&ei=5070&emc=eta1

For the years BushCo has been in Washington we have speculated time and again on whether or not they are more involved than they should be in international affairs... the Plame outing came about two years and we are learning they were up to their ears in "fixing" intelligence around the coming invasion as well as smearing Joe Wilson and now we have MORE involvement, which Sy Hersh is about to report on. This from Liberal Street Fighter:

"...The NYT today discusses, in an report by Jehl and Sanger, a coming article by Hersh. FYI, The New Yorker publishes some content on line Sunday night, so this is an alert, of sorts. Also, if I catch the article up on line tonight will post it to LSF

WASHINGTON, July 16 - In the months before the Iraqi elections in January, President Bush approved a plan to provide covert support to certain Iraqi candidates and political parties, but rescinded the proposal because of Congressional opposition, current and former government officials said Saturday.
In a statement issued in response to questions about a report in the next issue of The New Yorker, Frederick Jones, the spokesman for the National Security Council, said that “in the final analysis, the president determined and the United States government adopted a policy that we would not try - and did not try - to influence the outcome of the Iraqi election by covertly helping individual candidates for office."
However…

The article, by Seymour M. Hersh, reports that the administration proceeded with the covert plan over the Congressional objections. Several senior Bush administration officials disputed that, although they recalled renewed discussions within the administration last fall about how the United States might counter what was seen as extensive Iranian support to pro-Iranian Shiite parties.

http://liberalstreetfighter.com/ee/index.php?/trifecta/comments/quick_hit_hersh_upcoming_in_the_new_yorker/

I apologize for the long link which has messed up the page... about 3rd time I have done that...

Update on post above from Liberal Street Fighter:
Juan Cole is writing on it:

http://www.juancole.com/2005/07/did-bush-intervene-in-iraqi-elections.html

Hello, All,

Back when Fitzgerald was first assigned to the Palme case I googled him and made note of the date of every news article that mentioned his age. Hoped to find an actual birthday, but didn't.

However, noticed that his birthday is very likely late in the year--after Scorpio. Surmised this from the mention of his age and date of article. Also read an interview with a co-worker discussing Fitzgerald's personality and it was said that F. doesn't like to shmooze with the reporters. So I figure he isn't a Sag.

I think Fitzgerald is a Capricorn.

Yes but Sag has such a passion for truth, Barbara. Planets in both those signs work as he does seem to be a workaholic. He could also have something in Scorpio, with his drive & relentless persistence & investigatory nature. Until now, I was picturing him an Aries with Pisces planets and, with Saturn now in Leo, maybe with some Leo somewhere. I very much admire what I know of him, no matter what his astrological make up is.

Barbara,

Wikipedia says he was born in Brooklyn, NY 1961... that's all, no month, day. Read several articles --- he has a photographic memory, graduated Amherst College Phi Beta Kappa, BS in Economics and Mathematics, graduated Harvard Law School 1985 (worked his way through, father was a doorman) Not married - work is his life... picture of him here with lengthy article

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55560-2005Feb1.html

Here's the link to press conference where his appointment to CIA leak was announced

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/doj/comey123003doj-pconf.html

He can keep secrets. That's for sure. I heard tell he's 44 years old. His birth info should surface soon, I would think. Why wouldn't a birthday be known?

Claudia has article up on Rove

http://starcats.com/newsmakers.html

The mystery man. Kind of mythological. Or like Zorro, one of my favs. Masked and alone.

Hi everyone,

Sorry for the delay in getting back to post. Had chest pains yesterday at work. Today my air conditioner stopped working and it is in the 90's here.

Have looked for about six hours to find page I found birthdata for Fitzgerald on but to no avail. I believe I got there from a link on a sidebar on another page I was on.

The data was on a page with a grey backround with black print. Looked something like this:

Name:

Born or DOB: 22 Dec 1960

Here is a link I found in my searching. Go there, enter name and age. Look for Brooklyn on page.

http://www.birthdatabase.com/

Looks like Cheney could be Prez for awhile next Aug but will go down with the rest of them in early Sep. Adding Rice to the mix. Her natal Mars is at 319d 06m of right ascension (that is 19d 06m of Aquarius) exact to the minute with the Full Moon of August 9, 2006.

By the bye: Belong to about 15 or so lists, boards, or what have you but AW stands above all, in a class by itself.....barely leaves me time to keep up on the others....

bob

Thanks, Bob--sometimes I think AWs can find anything.

Sag often is a truth-seeker--but I was stereotyping--figured it was unlikely that an Irish Sag would dislike and avoid chat.

Jo, thanks for link. Can't wait to read Rove article.

Been having trouble getting and staying online all week. Notice others have had communication/electronic glitches too. What's going on--Merc not retro until 23rd.

Bob,

Take care with those chest pains and get that AC fixed. 90 degree temps aren't good for anybody, let alone someone who just experienced something like you did.

Take care.

What a clever way to find birthdates, Bob. The only thing is that there is an online profile that says Fitz was born in '61. I guess it's possible he was born in Jersey City on 1/20/61 and was then raised in Brooklyn?

I agree, get your chest pains checked out by your doctor. Better safe than sorry. My dad passed away after having chest & arm pains for only a few days.

Where will you be on July 22, 2005

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Boy, that's interesting wv! I'm going to go over that one again.

..........

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/7/17/202854/264

Rove's War on Wilson

Howard Fineman has always had good, but often deliberately whitewashing insight into Karl Rove. But his latest is, I think, an excellent explanation of how Rove's war on Joe Wilson came about:

. . . .[I]n the gun sight of Rove, was a bird in flight. Until then, Wilson had been obscured from view, peddling his story and his doubts--but not his own name--to selected reporters, officials and Hill staffers. The resulting stories had attracted the administration's attention. In May [The NYTimes' reporting dates this memo as June 10, UNLESS there is another memo!], the State Department's intelligence unit had prepared a secret memorandum about the provenance of Wilson's journey and its classified results . . . But then Wilson went public. Some prominent administration officials scurried for cover. Traveling in Africa, Secretary of State Colin Powell, who had long harbored doubts, disowned the "sixteen words" about Niger that had ended up in Bush's prewar State of the Union speech. So did CIA Director George Tenet . . . But Cheney--who tended never to give an inch on any topic--held firm. And so, therefore, did Rove, who sometimes referred to the vice president as "Leadership." Rove took foreign-policy cues from the pro-war coterie that surrounded the vice president, and was personally and operationally close to Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis (Scooter) Libby.
Soon enough, Rove had drawn a bead on Wilson . . . In the World According to Karl Rove, you take the offensive, and stay there. You create a narrative that glosses over complex, mitigating facts to divide the world into friends and enemies, light and darkness, good and bad, Bush versus Saddam.

Indeed, this sounds all too right and familiar. But how did Rove carry out his war?

Much more....

I won't be posting here for a while. Take care all.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/16/AR2005071601364_pf.html

In Plame Leaks, Long Shadows
Rove Knew of CIA Agent, Husband's Role in Criticizing Bush

By Jim VandeHei and Mike Allen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, July 17, 2005; A01

Karl Rove had a secret.

In public, he was masterminding President Bush's reelection and brushing off suggestions he had played any part in an unfolding drama: the unmasking of CIA operative Valerie Plame. In private, the senior White House adviser was meeting, on five occasions, with federal prosecutors to tell what he knew about the matter.

The story he would tell prosecutors did not seem to square with the White House's denial that it had played any role in one of the most famous leaks since Watergate. Rove told prosecutors he had discussed Plame in passing with at least two reporters, including the columnist who eventually revealed her name and role in a secret mission that would raise questions about Bush's case for war against Iraq. At the same time, other White House officials were whispering about Plame, too.

It is now clear: There has been an element of pretense to the White House strategy of dealing with the Plame case since the earliest days of the saga. Revelations emerging slowly at first, and in a rapid cascade over the past several days, have made plain that many important pieces of the puzzle were not so mysterious to Rove and others inside the Bush administration. White House officials were aware of Plame and her husband's potentially damaging charge that Bush was "twisting" intelligence about Iraq's nuclear ambitions well before the episode evolved into Washington's latest scandal.

More.....

CHEERS!

I was supposed to fly to Denver via Chicago on 7/22 but decided to cancel the trip & stay home. Let's pray that nothing happens on 7/22 and all stay safe.

Update: This was posted here several months ago from either me or Guido, which would be me in either case. I'm waiting for the other show to drop in my "tinfoilhat" prediction (at the time).

It's offered up as a good way to start the week with a ;).

End Game: *BUSH is FINISHED. The Script from "Management"

END GAME

"THE PINCER MOVE"

"Management" is upset at the free fall facing the American economy and the dollar. Bush must go. The two opening moves will be:

a) Indictment of Tommy Boy DeLay by Austin, TX DA Ronald Earle. Earle has been researching this case and has had enough to charge Tommy boy for a while. The churn on the delay scandal de jour is laying the ground work. This is "management's" opening salvo...a takedown of the toughest, nastiest republican conservative on the block. Delay represents the rabid bigoted right, the nasty element among an otherwise fine small business community ($4.0 million a year or less in revenues) who think they're smart because they got rich while everybody else got rich. DeLay also represents, more visibly, the fundy right.
Down goes delay. He won't know what's hit him but he will fight hard alienating the American public.

b) Indictment of at least one very close, senior (current or former) Cheney WH aid. It will be a neocon and the charge will be at least perjury. This lays the crime at the door of the WH, Cheney in particular, and it lets "management" get rid of cheney, who went to the neocon dark side. Watch CM (corporate media) just go crazy on this one. People will talk about a renaissance of investigative reporting. In reality, the press will just feed the management created story, in this case, based on facts to the public in a form and at a pace designed for maximum impact. Calls will be made for Cheney’s resignation, particularly in view of the back peddling Halliburton is doing on over charges in Iraq. We’ll find some connection between Halliburton and loss of American life and Cheney will go.
“STEALING POWER…AGAIN”
c) "Management" will put forth a VP nominee who is a consensus pick, e.g., Powell. * will be forced to take him but think he's saved by the move.
d) Now Bush is all alone. Andy card will be the new Alexander Haig. He’s well connected to "management" and northeast and national mega money. He’ll deliver the message to bush that it's time to go. Bush will go under the guise of an illness, which will encourage wild speculation including but not limited to a mental break.
d) Once this is in motion, Bush having been resigned, "management" will have their candidate move into the presidency.

“THE FURY OF THE PEOPLE”
...however...there are some real snags. The latent fury in this country over betrayal by Bush will outpace "management's" little passion play. The real press and real people will break the election fraud story in a way that can't be ignored. When Mr. Consensus President is in the wings, the entire credibility of BushCo and "management's" consensus VP to president deal will come undone.

At that point, it's anybody's guess...

COMMENT: They've started in DC so we'll see what happens in Texas with Tommy Boy Delay. The other factors pointing to "management" being fed up are: 1) the freeing up of the stooge press, they apparently have not forgotten how to do their jobs; 2) the free-fall of * in the polls even BEFORE the press let loose.

The real wild card here, one "management" cannot control is the election fraud story. When that breaks, fasten your seat belts, all hell will break loose.

See next post.

GREAT ELECTION FRAUD TOOL

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x384064

This link is a great resource to show serious people how seriously we were screwed in 2004. It is a narrative and collection of annotated statistical analyses (15 selected out of 100) from TruthIsAll on DemocraticUnderground.Com. This work just sings. Please share the link.

From the article on DU:

HE UNANSWERED QUESTION: WHO REALLY WON IN 2004?

According to the vote tabulators, in the 2004 presidential election George W. Bush won a stunning victory that defied all odds, particularly those applied by unbiased statisticians. He won despite trailing in most state and national polls. He won despite an approval rating of less than 50%, usually the death knell for an incumbent presidential candidate. He won despite trailing in the three National Exit Polls three timelines from 4pm to 12:22 am (13047 respondents) by a steady 48%-51%, miraculously winning the final exit poll (with only 613 additional respondents, totaling 13,660). This poll was “weighted” (altered) to meet the reported election result on the assumption that the reported result was accurate -- quite an assumption. The final poll showed a stunning reversal of the Kerry 51%-48% poll margin, which had been measured consistently all day by the same polling group: major news/networks and polling firm Edison-Mitofsky.

(snip)

Before the election, TIA produced a daily update of his Election Model site. On 11/1/04, based on extensive statistical analysis, he projected a Kerry win of 51.63% to 48.38%, using a combined average of national polls, and of 51.80% to 48.2% using a Monte Carlo simulation of individual state polls. After the polls closed, data from the Edison Mitofsky NEP survey (sponsored by the major television networks and CNN) was unintentionally released over the Internet. This was internal network data, embargoed from public use, data with statements like “Estimates not for on-air use” and “This page cannot be displayed.” The networks had locked down this data for their own use in an “electronic cover-up” that was offensive to those who knew the story. Luckily for all of us, Jonathan Simon downloaded the exit poll data and saved the CNN screen shots! The Edison-Mitofsky (EM)-Corporate Media (CM) “embargoed data” was available for anyone with eyes to see it and a mind to review it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x384064

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--- In PoliticalAstrology@yahoogroups.com, "Judy Johns" wrote:
> Sure, no problem
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jan61108
> To: PoliticalAstrology@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 8:07 PM
> Subject: [PoliticalAstrology] Re: Source for Patrick Fitzgerald Data
>
>
> Thank you so much Judy. I had the same data from another
> source but can not find it again. May I paste this elsewhere
> in its entirety so as to give you full credit?
>
> bob
>
> --- In PoliticalAstrology@yahoogroups.com, "Judy Johns"
> wrote:
> >
> > From: jan61108
> > To: PoliticalAstrology@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 7:26 PM
> > Subject: [PoliticalAstrology] Source for Patrick Fitzgerald Data
> >
> >
> > Judy,
> >
> > Would you please share the source for the data
> > on Patrick Fitzgerald? Thank you.
> >
> > bob
> > Sure Bob! Here you go! I got it from the library.
> >
> >
> >
> > PROFILE
> >
> > Patrick J . Fitzgerald
> >
> > BORN: Dec. 22, 1960.
> >
> > HOMETOWN: Brooklyn.
> >
> > EDUCATION: Regis High School, New York (1978); Amherst College,
> B.A. (1982); Harvard Law School, J.D. (1985).
> >
> > CAREER HIGHLIGHTS: Associate handling civil litigation at Christy
> & Viener, now Salans, Hertzfeld, Heilbronn, Christy & Viener, New
> York, 1985-88; assistant United States attorney for the Southern
> District of New York, 1988-2001, including stints as chief of
> narcotics unit, national security coordinator and chief of the
> organized crime-terrorism unit; United States attorney for the
> Northern District of Illinois, 2001 to present.
> >
> > FAMILY: Single.
> >
> > Document Number: A111756810
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > (c) 2005 by Thomson Gale.
> >
> >
> > Thomson Gale is a Thomson Corporation Company.
>

BBC News

* 2nd [bushaScam] official named in 'leak' probe Financial Times - US [v-rez] cheney's chief of staff, Lewis I "Scooter" Libby, spoke to a Time mag reporter prior to the leaking of the name of a covert CIA agt, the reporter has told a grand jury investigating the issue. ... con't http://news.ft.com/cms/s/907fb946-f727-11d9-aeff-00000e2511c8.html

YEA!

ANNOUNCEMENT!

I'm emerging from my cacoon of shyness to tell you that in a couple of hours it will be my birthday... Monday, July 18. I'm inviting you all to join me in celebrating... me, you, Saturn, Leo, the downfall of the White House, life, and the next great adventure.

Warning! Hard hats, tin foil or otherwise, are recommended.

It's pot luck. I'll provide the dominoes.

Hope to see everyone!

Ohmy... Fitzgerald's chart is really interesting when overlayed onto the USian chart, not the least of which his sun is at the... recent eclipse was it?... at 0 deg Captricorn, his moon is on the USian The Peoples' moon showing tremendous IDing with them, & his mars is on the "leadership sun" of bushies/olies/pluties. They might find him very aggressive indeed. ;O)

Oh God, they're in such big trouble. I looked up Regis High School, NYC. It's a Jesuit high school started by an anonymous donor in Manhattan, for the "best and brightest" who can't affort private school. This Fitzgerald was ready to take on the WH after graduating from there. Oh, and he's a rugby player. They're toast:
==============

Mission Statement

Founded in 1914 by an anonymous benefactor and supported by the generosity of her family, its alumni and friends, Regis High School offers a tuition free Jesuit college preparatory education to Roman Catholic young men from New York metropolitan area who demonstrate superior intellectual and leadership potential. In the admissions process, special consideration is given to those who cannot otherwise afford a Catholic education.

Patrick J . Fitzgerald

BORN: Dec. 22, 1960. No time posted.

HOMETOWN: Brooklyn.

EDUCATION: Regis High School, New York (1978); Amherst College, B.A. (1982);
Harvard Law School, J.D. (1985).

CAREER HIGHLIGHTS: Associate handling civil litigation at Christy & Viener,
now Salans, Hertzfeld, Heilbronn, Christy & Viener, New York, 1985-88; assistant
United States attorney for the Southern District of New York, 1988-2001,
including stints as chief of narcotics unit, national security coordinator and
chief of the organized crime-terrorism unit; United States attorney for the
Northern District of Illinois, 2001 to present.

FAMILY: Single.

Document Number: A111756810

1st of all JM HAPPY BIRTHDAY and it's wonderful you get in under the Mercury Retrograde, won't be knocking at your door this year.

Bob, great job getting Fitzgerald's birthdate, I am working on the Hall of Records in Denver trying to get Rove's birthtime, and I do have a source for Judith Miller's day of birth (Jan. 1948 but no day.) I am convinced Judith holds the key and she is protecting her emails, not her source. January 1948 alone, any one day is problematic for her this year. I have seen Fitzgerald's birth year listed as 61 in Wikipedia and elsewhere (including his website) so maybe we should run charts for both years.

Pluto is exactly on Fitzgerald's Mercury. Exactly. He's looking for the big picture.

If he has a website, why don't we just ask him?

Oh sorry Bob, I see you posted Fitzgerald's birthday . . . I saw this on PA also . . .

Oh well, we have it. It would be nice to get the time also.

Either date has Saturn in Capricorn with his Sun. Look what the two full Moons brought in on top of Rove's Cap stellium.

This guy is thorough, methodical, determined, slow and steady, focused, patient, brutal, and probably moral somewhere and wanting to do the right thing. Also could have great timing.

The 1961 chart is especially interesting as it puts the Saturn right on the USA Pluto, and the Moon in Cancer right on the USA Cancer stellium. What has Saturn in Cancer left us with?

We have major abuse of power issues here.

Did anyone notice that Joseph Wilson is a Scorpio (Nov. 6th, 1948)? * & Co certainly picked on the wrong person. Wilson will make them pay.

Dat be Scorpio with a Saturn conjunct Pluto in Leo. Saturn headed that way.
The show must go on, after all.

Correction. saturn had just left and is in Virgo.

Maybe this will help determine Fitzgerald's year of birth.

According to an October 24, 2001, press release (http://fitzgerald.senate.gov/usattorney/confirm-patfitz.htm) by U.S. Senator Peter Fitzgerald (R-IL):

"Patrick J. Fitzgerald, 40, began his prosecutorial career in 1988 by handling significant drug trafficking cases, and prosecuting major heroin smuggling rings. In 1993 he and another lawyer prosecuted, and won convictions against, John Gambino, a capo of the Gambino Crime Family and three other members of the Gambino Crime Family crew for a variety of charges, including murder and racketeering.

"In June of 1994, he became counsel in the prosecution of the 'blind sheik', Omar Abdel Rahman and 11 other defendants, who were accused of a seditious conspiracy involving the bombing of the World Trade Center and a plot to bomb the United Nations, the FBI Building in New York, the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels, and to assassinate President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt. The nine-month trial resulted in convictions.

There y0u g0, Mike, it's starting...

Monday Morning Press Conference: "Shocking" Election Practices to be
Revealed

Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, who has been one of the few elected
officials from either major party championing accountable elections,
will have a press conference tomorrow morning (Monday July 18th) to
reveal "shocking findings on Diebold Election Systems and the fraud and
gross incompetence that has taken place in Georgia elections."

When: Monday July 18th, 10am.

Where: The office of Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney
North DeKalb Mall, Suite D-46,
2050 Lawrenceville Hwy,
Decatur, Georgia 30033
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x384423

And the Happiest 0f Birthdays t0 y0u, JM... wishing y0u health, happiness, l0ve & fullfillment Always. Y0u're s0 talented. Wishing y0u a very creative year.

000Oooohhh, Sweet Sharon, you funny Pisces. Thank you so much. You always put so much emotion into your words, so unselfconsciously. Must be that Moon in Leo.

This year sure has gotten off to a lively start! And Mars is 23 degrees Aries today, egggsactly on my Ascendant. Talk about a charged battery.

We're off! And my chips are in the game.

Happy Birthday, jm.

Happy Birthday jm,
WHAT A PRESENT!

"Tinfoil hats off" to you out of the box creative thinkers who've tracked these stories!
PQ

Thank you so much my wonderful friends. This is all so new and exciting. I can't even indulge in my usual miserable birthday experience this year.

I feel rich beyond measure.

Karl Rove is reputedly the grandson of Karl Heinz Roverer, mover and shaker in the Nazi party. Joe Wilson, when interviewed often pronounced Karl's name with the German umlaut, indicating he knew of his spurious roots. In a story that ran in Esquire (I think) about 3-4 years ago, I recall that it was related that Rove was adopted or misled about who his real father was, and Christmas Day may not be his real birthdate. Randi Rhodes has a bunch of stuff on this too.

Tinfoil Hat theory #69:
Cheney is the shadow President who is really running this country. Cheney is the leaker. Cheney checked into a hospital in CO recently with a cover story of knee problems but reportedly it was his heart.
Cheney going down, down, down. Best solution by the Universe because if Bush goes down Cheney moves into actual Presidential posture. If VP is replaced or resigns or goes to jail, Bush has noone running the show, esp if Rove has to resign.

Happy birthday, jm. You are Nelson Mandela, too. Now that's an honor and a half! Enjoy!

Oops. Meant "You and Nelson Mandela, too." You probably knew that. Now on to the second cuppa tea.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY JM!!! Now, I wanna hear YOU sing (even if it is you singing "Happy Birthday" to YOURSELF, I'LL LISTEN!!!!!).....

and Shar0n, th0se 0's just crack me up(s0me 0f us are s0 easily amused....l0l)...please D0N'T GET THAT KEYB0ARD FIXED!!!!!.....

namaste and white/pink light to all.....

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9490.htm

A Warning from Israel

What May Come After the Evacuation of Jewish Settlers from the Gaza Strip

By URI DAVIS, ILAN PAPPE, and TAMAR YARON

We feel that it is urgent and necessary to raise the alarm regarding what may come during and after evacuation of Jewish settlers from the Gaza Strip occupied by Israel in 1967, in the event that the evacuation is implemented.

We held back on getting this statement published and circulated, seeking additional feedback from our peers. The publication in Ha'aretz (22 June 2005) quoting statements by General (Reserves) Eival Giladi, the head of the Coordination and Strategy team of the Prime Minister's Office, motivated us not to delay publication and circulation any further. Confirming our worst fears, General (Res.) Eival Giladi went on record in print and on television to the effect that "Israel will act in a very resolute manner in order to prevent terror attacks and [militant] fire while the disengagement is being implemented" and that "If pinpoint response proves insufficient, we may have to use weaponry that causes major collateral damage, including helicopters and planes, with mounting danger to surrounding people."

We believe that one primary, unstated motive for the determination of the government of the State of Israel to get the Jewish settlers of the Qatif (Katif) settlement block out of the Gaza Strip may be to keep them out of harm's way when the Israeli government and military possibly trigger an intensified mass attack on the approximately one and a half million Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, of whom about half are 1948 Palestine refugees.

The scenario could be similar to what has already happened in the past - a tactic that Ariel Sharon has used many times in his military career - i.e., utilizing provocation in order to launch massive attacks.

Slate piece on Judith Miller from a year ago...

http://slate.msn.com/id/2095394/

http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/media/features/9226/

Feature
The Source of the Trouble
Pulitzer Prize winner Judith Miller’s series of exclusives about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq—courtesy of the now-notorious Ahmad Chalabi—helped the New York Times keep up with the competition and the Bush administration bolster the case for war. How the very same talents that caused her to get the story also caused her to get it wrong.

By Franklin Foer

Judith Miller discusses post-Saddam Iraq on The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer. (Photo credit: The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer)

For critics of the Iraq war, the downfall of Ahmad Chalabi occasioned a hearty, unapologetic outpouring of Schadenfreude—a loud cheer for a well-deserved knee to the administration’s gut. In fact, it was possible to detect a bit of this spirit on the front page of the New York Times. On May 21, the editors arrayed contrasting images of the banker turned freedom fighter turned putative Iranian spy. Here he is smirking behind Laura Bush in the House of Representatives gallery as the president delivers his State of the Union address. There he is looking bleary and sweaty, after Iraqi police stormed his home and office in the middle of the night. An analysis by David Sanger went so far as to name names of individuals who had associated themselves with the discredited leader of the Iraqi National Congress. The list, he wrote, included “many of the men who came to dominate the top ranks of the Bush administration . . . Donald H. Rumsfeld, Paul D. Wolfowitz, Douglas J. Feith, Richard L. Armitage, Elliott Abrams and Zalmay M. Khalilzad, among others.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn08182003.html
Judy Miller's War
By ALEXANDER COCKBURN

Lay all Judith Miller's New York Times stories end to end, from late 2001 to June 2003 and you get a desolate picture of a reporter with an agenda, both manipulating and being manipulated by US government officials, Iraqi exiles and defectors, an entire Noah's Ark of scam-artists.

And while Miller, either under her own single by-line or with NYT colleagues, was touting the bioterror threat, her book Germs, co-authored with Times-men Steven Engelberg and William Broad was in the bookstores and climbing the best seller lists. The same day that Miller opened an envelope of white powder (which turned out to be harmless) at her desk at the New York Times, her book was #6 on the New York Times best seller list. The following week (October 21, 2001), it reached #2. By October 28, --at the height of her scare-mongering campaign--it was up to #1. If we were cynical...

We don't have full 20/20 hindsight yet, but we do know for certain that all the sensational disclosures in Miller's major stories between late 2001 and early summer, 2003, promoted disingenuous lies. There were no secret biolabs under Saddam's palaces; no nuclear factories across Iraq secretly working at full tilt. A huge percentage of what Miller wrote was garbage, garbage that powered the Bush administration's propaganda drive towards invasion.

What does that make Miller? She was a witting cheer-leader for war. She knew what she was doing.

She has ties to Zionist organizations...

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jun2003/mill-j27.shtml

New York Times reporter Judith Miller accused of “hijacking” military unit in Iraq
More on the “newspaper of record” and WMD lies
By Bill Vann
27 June 2003
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Three months into their occupation of Iraq, US military forces have failed to find any evidence of the supposed stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons that Washington claimed as the principal justification for invading the country. It is no longer possible to conceal the fact that the Bush administration lied to the American people to promote an unprovoked war of aggression.

In a column published June 25, the Washington Post’s media critic Howard Kurtz sheds new light on the integral role played by the media itself, and, in particular, the “newspaper of record,” the New York Times, in this act of criminal deception.

In a war that saw “embedded” journalists functioning as cheerleaders for the American military and the media serving as a propaganda arm of the Bush administration, the Times played an especially sordid role. Its duplicity was exemplified by one of its senior correspondents, Judith Miller, who is reputed in media circles to be an expert in weapons of mass destruction as well as on Islam, despite her lack of a science background and her inability to speak Arabic. When she initially joined the Times staff, Miller’s beat was the banking and securities industry.

Judith Miller, warhawk reporter

Memo To: Bill Keller, NYTimes executive editor
From: Jude Wanniski
Re: The neo-con distaff links at AEI

Now that you have settled into your new job as executive editor of the most important newspaper in the world, I think you should seriously consider reassigning Judith Miller to Afghanistan from her present Baghdad beat. To any serious reader of her coverage in Iraq it has been plain for many, many moons that she is joined at the hip to the neo-cons at the American Enterprise Institute who cooked up the war, particularly Richard Perle and Laurie Mylroie. I note today, for example, she writes out of the Times Washington Bureau about the brutalities of Saddam’s sons, Uday and Qusay, repeating a long string of anecdotes that may very well be true, but may also be part of the disinformation campaign aimed at demonizing Saddam orchestrated by Perle going back 20 years. My own sources in the intelligence agencies tell me few of these anecdotes are known to be accurate, but are part of the raw data supplied on a hearsay basis by Iraqi expatriates who have been enemies of the regime. If you read today’s special report by Paul Sperry of WorldNetDaily.com, you will get a quick course on the distaff linkages of the neo-con warhawks. He also notes that the intelligence agencies no longer consider Judith Miller's sources reliable for their own purposes. I’m just trying to be helpful, Bill, hoping you will avoid some of the errors that led to your predecessor’s untimely departure.

'NY Times' Explores Question: Did Miller Give Plame Name to Rove or Libby?

By E&P Staff

Published: July 16, 2005 12:20 AM ET

NEW YORK An article in Saturday's New York Times by Adam Liptak, who has long covered the Plame case, covers wide ground in considering the newly-emerging focus on whether or not journalists passed the CIA officer's name to government officials instead of the (presumed) other way around.

He looks at various journalists who have testified before the grand jury, from Walter Pincus to Tim Russert. Most of them said they had talked to Cheney aide, "Scooter" Libby, not Rove. The Russert angle, never much explored, is intriguing, but Liptak spends most of the space exploring the evidence, or lack of it, surrounding the Times' own Judith Miller, now in jail for not revealing a source.

According to the federal appeals court, which rejected her appeal in February, Miller has received two subpoenas seeking testimony and documents "related to conversations between her and a specified government official" in the days before Novak's fateful column appeared in July, 2003. This is precisely the time period, we now know, that Karl Rove chatted first with Novak, and then Time magazine's Matt Cooper, about Plame.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/search/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000980335

I agree Sharon's o's are great! Pat C, hope you come back soon, and that all is well?

HAPPY BIRTHDAY jm. :)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yea, verily... Happy b'day, jm! ;O)

Not sure if this has already been posted, worth a read:

Genesis of an American Gestapo

"Tyrants have always some slight shade of virtue; they support the laws before destroying them." Voltaire

"A dictatorship would be a heck-of a lot easier; as long as I'm dictator." President George W. Bush

By Mike Whitney

07/16/05 "ICH" - - Tyranny has very few indispensable parts; a compliant media, that will regulate information to meet the goals of the state; a "rubber-stamp" Parliament that will endorse the policies of the supreme leader; a judiciary that will adjust the law to serve the requirements of the ruling body, a strong military to seize the wealth of weaker nations; and a security apparatus, that will eliminate any domestic threats to the system. On June 29 President Bush took the great-leap forward in transforming the nation's intelligence services by ordering a restructuring of the FBI and putting "a broad swath of the agency" under the direct control of the executive.

Bingo; Bush's personal secret police; an American Gestapo.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9483.htm

Camille

If this doesn't awaken the public, nothing will!

Thanks for posting, great story.

Another interesting article and worth a read!

Who Speaks For The Truth?

http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/henry_see_speaking_truth.htm

One more: (the new puppy is sleeping at last so I actually have time to read and check out all your great articles here on AW! You are all wonderful posters - fab reading here today! Thanks all!)

We can all learn from this one:

Fighting Fascism Then, and Now

By John Pilger

07/17/05 "ICH" - - It was the International Brigades' Memorial Day in Jubilee Park beside the Thames in London. It was a hot day with no breeze, "a Spanish day", one of the Brigaders said. Like the others, all in their eighties and older, he took shelter in the shade and rested on his walking stick. He wore his red beret. Twenty yards away, tourists waiting to board the London Eye, the great ferris wheel built for the Milennium, looked bemused at the elderly men in their berets, and the rest of us, without knowing who we were, what the men had done and why we were celebrating them.

Between 1936 and 1939, the International Brigade fought in Spain on the side of the Republican government against the fascist forces of General Franco. There were British, Americans, Irish, Canadians, Australians and others. They were very young and all volunteers, determined to stop fascism in its tracks. They made a difference.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9493.htm

bushaDruggie, however, does not have a strong military--far from it... a key ingredient for role of Supremacist Dictator... the wherewithall to FORCE a dysfunctional egoic will upon others.

The Anonymity Trap
Norm Pearlstine didn't go far enough.
By Jacob Weisberg
Posted Tuesday, July 12, 2005, at 1:33 PM PT

Cooper and Time should name names to their readers, too

It's been open season on Norm Pearlstine since the Time Inc. editor in chief decided to turn over Matthew Cooper's notes to Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald. In the New York Times, Frank Rich accused Pearlstine of elevating corporate interests over press freedom. Times media columnist David Carr went on to chide him for transforming Time "into a lifestyle bible that often leaves the more ambitious stories to others." The New York Observer contributed a savage précis of Pearlstine's entire career.

This gang-bang speaks more to journalistic groupthink than to any real moral or legal reasoning. Pearlstine hasn't argued his case beyond the quotes he has supplied in a couple of interviews, but he's clearly struggled with the issue more deeply than New York Times publisher Arthur Sulzberger Jr., whose decision on the other side evinces no difficulty and no doubt. Can the nation's leading newspaper really find it an easy call to defy the nation's high court when faced with a ruling it doesn't like? Is corporate disobedience—which would have been a new one on Thoreau and King—really a principle the Times wants to establish?

http://www.slate.com/id/2122509/?nav=fo

WV...what do you think of the controversy over disclosure of sources for THIS case of Rove and the leaks? Would this fall into the same catagories as Bernstein and Woodward and Watergate disclosures? It seems to me this is a reversal....in Watergate the leak was meant to disclose the illegality of the Nixon presidency in subverting the election process...whereas this is about using classified info to trash a political opponent....of course the two administrations had done the same thing....but the reporters came down on the WRONG side of it. They were leaking classified info at the behest of the administration...

jm deerheart,
happy Birthday, may the excitment and creativity you feel bubbling within you today expand as the days open outward!
here is a bithday hug from me
tseka

jm, birthday greetings! Enjoy your new year.

PatC, hope your taking a break because of something fabulous you need time to explore :).

Bob, echoing the other posters, please look into the chest pains.

I kn0w Mercury is n0t retr0 yet but I have felt the effects since last week (shad0w effects?) and I believe it's stati0ning as we speak (?)

As I've said here bef0re, I have Mercury in 16 Aq. in the 8th, 0pp. M00n/Plut0 in ab0ut 18 Le0 in the 2nd. I'm beginning t0 have little irritati0ns related t0 material p0ssessi0ns and, s0mewhat, m0ney.

My new keyb0ard arrived this m0rning and I was attempting t0 rem0ve the 0ld 0ne and stripped 0ne 0f the screws, s0 g00d thing y0u like my creative use 0f zer0s. Als0, 0ne 0f the t0ilets is br0ken. Can't wait t0 see what c0mes next. I h0pe it all remains small stuff!

Happy Birthday jm.....hope it is a very good day for you....

Sharon...noticed the shadow period of Mercury, you bet.....lots of little things, mostly happening to others now....but being a Gemini, it probably never stops happening for me.

I finally saw What the Bleep Do You KNow last night, as a friend brought it by, and we watched both the movie and the interviews with the film makers...quite fascinating. I didn't recognize JZ Knight at all, and was astounded at the end when it was announced Ramtha was present!

but what a fun movie, and the back story of the making of it is almost as interesting as the movie itself. Loved the animations.....really is a must see....

Camille, thanks so much for bringing up the International Brigade. And don't let us ever forget that those members of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade who survived returned home to be hounded and spied upon by their own government.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY JM!!!

Morgana, he's surfing in Montana:
http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?id=1&display=rednews/2005/07/17/build/state/58-dean.inc

From the birthday link:

Judith Miller, Jan 2, 1948, NY,NY

Knowing some of the story between Patrick Fitzgerald and Miller I like this date. Knowing what others in the media business have to say about her work and how often her stories have proven to be false I like it even more. And the right ascension of Pluto in a chart for this day is 139d 16m, hit directly by that full moon in Aug of 2006!

Looked through 1000+ listings to check for this one.

bob

1972 = Watergate break in and start of investigation by Woodward and Bernstein uncovering the subversion of the elections by Nixon
1973= resignation of Nixon

28 years later, Nov 2000, the subversion of the elections gets started in Florida. As this is an ongoing story, from 2000 to now, it is hard to pin the Saturn return on it....except for the commission of the crimes themselves. 2003....outing of Plame....is this still within the Saturn return status for the acts of Nixon?

Boy...Shakespeare was quite young when he figured out all the power structures and wrote of them....the fact that these events reoccur so continuously seems like bad news and no progress....but that, as they say, is the human drama.

VERY IMPORTANT!

Please read and distribute (paste link in every list, blog, or group you belong to) if you want to be able to continue having those places to participate in! Sorry if this is a repitition of someone else's post but I feel it is most important. AND PARTICIPATE!

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/05/07/con05238.html

bob

Bob...interesting article....I so happen to be on a municipal cable service. But for the last 18 months have been irritated beyond belief by being unable to bring up information because of the commercial positionings....too bad we can't have a separate information internet devoid of commercial content. I will be sending this everywhere.

jm,

Happy birthday!! Wish I could speed up the process to give you a real bitchin' present today, but your belated present will surely come before Oct. with the indictments of Libby, Rove, and (if there is real justice in the universe), Darth Cheney himself. Take care and have a great day!

I also found (people search usa) a birthdate of Dec. 22, 1960. He is listed on bio http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/aboutus/patrickjfizgerald.html as being 44 yrs old -- and until Dec. this year that would be accurate. (Further, by some coincidence there was only 1 Patrick J Fitzgerald in Illinois who is 44 this year). This would seem to confirm bob's DOB for Fitzgerald.

Since wikipedia is a compilation rather than a research-based site, some info there CAN be erroneous. Not that it's wrong to use it (certainly has much info that can't be found ANYWHERE else), but when the data can be obtained at a more confirmable location that probably be preferable, IMO.

Oh brudder. If it's not clear from the gibberish in post I was referencing Fitzgerald's DOB, and fact that my search (didn't see bob had gotten the info til too late) seemed to corroborate bob's.

Sorry for all the typos.

KM

This is long but the only way to get all the
information to you...

PHOENIX FIVE EARTH CHANGES BULLETIN
> July 18, 2005 by MW Mandeville in Pollock Pines, CA
> BULLETIN ITEM: London Underground Bombing 'Exercises' Took Place at Same Time as Real Attack
>
> MWM: This Is Too Ominous For Further Commentary
>
> http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/090705bombingexercises.htm
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> London Underground Bombing 'Exercises' Took Place at Same Time as Real Attack
> Culpability cover scenario echoes 9/11 wargames
>
> Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet | Updated July 13 2005
>
> UPDATE: London Underground Exercises and the Magically Exploding Terrorists: Important Questions
>
> A consultancy agency with government and police connections was running an exercise for an unnamed company that revolved around the London Underground being bombed at the exact same times and locations as happened in real life on the morning of July 7th.
>
> On a BBC Radio 5 interview that aired on the evening of the 7th, the host interviewed Peter Power, Managing Director of Visor Consultants, which bills itself as a 'crisis management' advice company, better known to you and I as a PR firm.
>
> Peter Power was a former Scotland Yard official, working at one time with the Anti Terrorist Branch.
>
> Power told the host that at the exact same time that the London bombings were taking place, his company was running a 1,000 person strong exercise which drilled the London Underground being bombed at the exact same locations, at the exact same times, as happened in real life.
>
> The transcript is as follows.
>
> POWER: At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now.
>
> HOST: To get this quite straight, you were running an exercise to see how you would cope with this and it happened while you were running the exercise?
>
> POWER: Precisely, and it was about half past nine this morning, we planned this for a company and for obvious reasons I don't want to reveal their name but they're listening and they'll know it. And we had a room full of crisis managers for the first time they'd met and so within five minutes we made a pretty rapid decision that this is the real one and so we went through the correct drills of activating crisis management procedures to jump from slow time to quick time thinking and so on.
>
> Click here for a clip of this dialogue. Click here for a longer clip where the comments can be heard in their full context.
>
> The fact that the exercise mirrored the exact locations and times of the bombings is light years beyond a coincidence. Power said the drill focused around 'simultaneous bombings'. At first the bombings were thought to have been spread over an hour, but the BBC reports just today that the bombings were in fact simultaneous.
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> []
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> Mr. Power (pictured above) and Visor Consultants need not have been 'in on the bombing' or anything of that nature for this to be of importance. The British government or one of their private company offshoots could have hired Visor to run the exercise for a number of purposes.
>
> We are not suggesting that Mr. Power had any knowledge of the real purpose of the exercise, and the open shock he exclaims in relating the story underlines this.
>
> The exercise fulfils several different goals. It acts as a cover for the small compartamentalized government terrorists to carry out their operation without the larger security services becoming aware of what they're doing, and, more importantly, if they get caught during the attack or after with any incriminating evidence they can just claim that they were just taking part in the exercise.
>
> This is precisely what happened on the morning of 9/11/2001. The CIA was conducting drills of flying hijacked planes into the WTC and Pentagon at 8:30 in the morning.
>
> It is clear that at least five if not six training exercises were in operation in the days leading up to and on the morning of 9/11. This meant that NORAD radar screens showed as many as 22 hijacked airliners at the same time. NORAD had been briefed that this was part of the exercise drill and therefore normal reactive procedure was forestalled and delayed.
>
> The large numbers of 'blips' on NORAD screens that displayed both real and 'drill' hijacked planes explain why confused press reports emerged hours after the attack stating that up to eight planes had been hijacked.
>
> The Anglo-American establishment that controls the military-industrial complex of the West has been caught over a hundred times carrying out bombings and other terrorist attacks around the world to further their corporate aims and to blame their enemies.
>
> The US government has been caught planning to carry out attacks and carrying out attacks. The British government has been caught red-handed as well. Members of Vladimir Putin's FSB were caught planting bombs in a Russian apartment building in 1999 by the Moscow police.
>
> This is not speculation. Kermit Roosevelt admited on NPR radio that in 1953 the CIA and British intelligence carried out a wave of bombings and shootings in Iran. He then went on to brag about how they subsequently blamed the bombings on Iran's President, Mossadegh. Do you understand, these people brag about what they do 40 years later?
>
> The London bombings have the same signature as the Madrild bombings of 3/11. Both of these bombings are almost indistinguishable from the Bolognia bombing in 1980 that killed over 80 people.
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> []
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> The bombing in Bolognia was part of a CIA operation code named Gladio, where the US government would pay right-wing terrorists to carry out bombings to be blamed on leftists in Europe. All of this was blown wide open when two of the Bolognia bombers were convited in an Italian court, forcing them to spill their guts admitting that they were neo-fascists contracted by the CIA. Operation Gladio documents have since been declassified.
>
> The London terror alert level was lowered before the bombings took place. This gave the purpotrators extra cover to plan and execute the attack without having to evade the most stringent security.
>
> In any crime you look at history and motive, The British government has been caught in multiple examples of carrying out bombings in London which were then blamed on the IRA. They even had one of their own MI5 agents wihin the Omagh bomb squad. Click here for an archive of this evidence.
>
> The wider agenda will become clearer when Blair firmly points the finger at the selected patsies designated to take the fall. But for the moment he's happy to grandstand as the courageous leader who immedately returned to London to take control of the chaos.
>
> BBC polls that were showing 80 per cent plus opposed the ID card will now likely flip back in the opposite direction. Support for the European Union and increased globalization through the G8 will rise. Who stands to gain from all this? Who has the motive?
>
> From Putin blowing up his own apartment buildings to Israel being behind Hamas, the evidence is consistently clear that large scale terrorism is always state sponsored.
>
> The Madrid train bombing is another example. The bombers were found to be police informants with close links to the Spanish security services. They had access to the most secure areas of the Madrid train system. The Spanish government initially tried to blaim the Basque group ETA for the blast in the hope that the people would rally behind the government and get them re-elected. After ETA denied involvement and the people started saying the government was involved, the Spanish government had to blame Al-Qaeda and kill some patsies by claiming they blew themselves up during a raid.
>
> The London Underground exercises were used as the fallback cover to carry out the attack. This is the biggest smoking gun yet pointing directly to the most secretive levels of the British establishment itself being behind the attack.
>
> More on this story as and when it develops.
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>
> Related -get these links from Prison Planet (URL at top)
>
> Video: Bombing Exercises In London Underground
>
> Same-time-as-attack underground bombing exercise in London a chilling coincidence?
>
> Bomb Scare Suggests Blair Knew and Did Nothing
>
> Attack On London: Blair Plays The Terror Card
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> Report: Israel Was Warned Ahead of First Blast
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> Netanyahu Changed Plans Due to Warning
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> See No Evil: Spinning Netanyahu's London Terror Tip-off
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> London Bombings Archive
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> Best Wishes, Michael Wells Mandeville,
> The Hills of Arizona USA at mwman@earthlink.net
> Master Website Index is at: http://www.michaelmandeville.com
>
> Author of "Return of the Phoenix" at
> http://www.michaelmandeville.com/phoenix/phoenix.htm
> Author of "The Coming Economic Collapse of 2006" at
> http://www.michaelmandeville.com/calendar/collapse2006.htm
> Author of "Earth Changes Almanac & Calendar 2003"
> http://www.michaelmandeville.com/calendar

This is wild. My frienship book is overflowing.

Shy, Garry, Peg, Joanna, tseka, Janet, Judi, and Bob.....For some odd reason I'm loving this. Everytime you say HB to me a shot of warmth goes through my system. My Pluto in the fifth is even satisfied!

Garry! Did you hear that! I just sang it, and I'm sorry to say it was slightly off key. I'm too excited.

Grizz...
I, too, feel that this political gift is a great reward on my birthday. I never would have believed it. I feel it so strongly. It's more than wishful thinking now. I feel them all coming down. Bush's retraction and evasion is a sure sign. I think Cheney is very ill. And the people of this society have learned something that will help them make betters choices in the future. The disease has to surface and become manifest to be healed.

This birthday is especially sweet for me because of Rove, who I'm positive will be gone. All the ugly, depraved human behavior I've witnessed in the last years has had his stamp on it. My main pursuit in life is grace and beauty. His desecration of what I hold sacred has been a tragedy. How he can take something as precious as a human being and abuse to the extent he does is more than I can bear. I just want him out of my life.

I am happy.

Love to you all!

JM, May I add my very best wishes for a Happy Birthday!
Aloha

Judi Gemini,

Nixon did not resign until 1974, Aug 9, 1974... but Agnew was indicted and pled nolo contendo October 1973, just 9 mos. after the inauguration.

So, this Sept/Oct will be 9 mos after inaug, hopefully Cheney will be indicted! and by Aug of 2006 --- right Bob, ?--- Shrub will be gone, leaving in place, the VP appointed after Cheney's removal (all according to Mike's plan above)

Works for me!!! Follow the dream...

Happy, Happy Birthday, JM --- this is also my Mom's bd... she's moved onto other dimensions... but the date always resonates for me... have a joyous one...

Bill Gallagher of the Niagra Falls Reporter:

"...Retribution, a quintessential Rove political weapon, brought him to expose Plame and risk national security in the process to get back at her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, for telling the truth about George W. Bush's phony claims that Saddam Hussein was shopping for enriched uranium. Wilson debunked the bogus story that Iraq was seeking the nuclear material in Niger. That was a body blow for the Busheviks, who had worked so diligently to "fix" intelligence and build the lies to justify the invasion of Iraq.
A few weeks ago, when Rove claimed liberals coddled terrorists and wanted to provide them "therapy," I offered a few thoughts about the deputy White House chief of staff, the president's "brain," and designer of his political career.

I wrote, "Karl Rove is the most vile, despicable, duplicitous, power-addicted, warmongering, lying neo-fascist in the administration, save Dick Cheney and the man who lets them run the government for him.

Yes, I know. I am prone to benevolence and understatement."

http://www.niagarafallsreporter.com/gallagher222.html

Is it just me or has Mercury retrograde come early to this site?

jm....another birthday present for you: do you remember (LA) Tim Buckley, he of the gorgeous Irish tenor voice who sang so incredibly and died so tragically (as did his son at the same age!)....

All the stony people walking round in Christian licorish clothes, I can't hesitate here, and I can't wait for Pleasant Street.... don't remember what to say , don't remember what to do, don't remember where to go, don't remember what to choose....you heal, you steal, you kneel, down, down, down.......down, down, down......and I can't wait for Pleasant Street......

Speaking of Saturn transits....it must be 30 years since he died.

Garry....the energy has definitely changed....go listen to some Tim Buckley...if you can get it.

I just posted without a security code being added.

OMG! OMG!! Tim Buckley! Do I ever remember him. It's amazing, Judi, how are tastes merge. There was one song that started, "If I were a hunter, I'd bring home fresh meat for you", and went on with beautiful lyrics and melodies. He was another one that brought out tears. Thank you, Judi, for the reminders about this valuable part of life, lest I try to run away from my responsibility. Keep after me, woman! Tseka is on my butt,too. What would I do without you!

Jo, that is something about your mother and me. Do you feel her more than usual on her birthday? I don't, on my mother's, who died 4 years ago.

And Kiwijeanie, I finally can get back here to thank you for your birthday greeting from across the great waters. What a world. When I can have a global party like this!

Thank you all so very very much for my first birthday in cyberspace. Now I have a headache from all the excitement, so an aspirin and sleep are forthcoming till I awaken to tomorrow's installment of the ongoing drama.

Sheesh!

jm

Joseph Wilson-11 Days before Howard...Probably a lot of the same major-planet progressions.

Mercury retro shadow hit yesterday. I forgot my password at work! Logged in dozens of times, but I forgot completely! Hopefully I won't forget more stuff with Leo retrograde in the 9th House!

Interesting comment on the splash page of www.cloakanddagger.de(admittedly, probably the "tinfoiliest" of the "tinfoil-hat"-type sites I visit......here it is, via the magic of computer cut and paste technology:
URGENT SURFACING NEWS

(Cloak & Dagger News_7 _18_05: Filed By Skolnick)

Bush/Blair/Media
Plot To Stop
Special Federal Grand Jury

In Valerie Plame CIA Leak Case, Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is preparing criminal indictments for George W. Bush, Tony Blair and Media Hotshots.

Queen Elizabeth's stooges are spreading rumours of possible Chicago transportation bombings. Purpose? To terrorize Federal Grand Jury from meeting. Court House is near subway.

Beware--disinformation campaign is being spread by British Intelligence stooges at all levels to target and discredit the Prosecutor and the Grand Jury.

Interesting, to say the very least....

oh, and btw, Tim Buckley was/is an INCREDIBLE singer-songwriter....as was his son Jeff, wierd that both died so tragically young...

i'm less than a month away from returning to my house after the fire! nine long hard months later, after pluto went into my 4th house!
soon tpluto will trine my moon conjunct pluto in the 12th house....any idea what this will bring?
pluto also is conjuncting my part of fortune.
so far pluto has only kicked my arse, so i am very curious.

jm, i wish you a happy belated birthday with friends and love, dreams realized throughout the year!

keep your eyes on venezuela, it's near trinidad,
there have been bombings and strife there. now the catholic chuch has told the president "to act like a president". same old shell game, while we all watch rove and the supremes.

Tim Buckley rings a bell -- was he 0ne 0f the f0lksingers fr0m the 50s & 60s? I think I remember seeing pictures 0f him being thin & dark, and I remember he made beautiful music but I d0n't remember any 0f it. N0w I'm curi0us & may g0 see if I can listen t0 him at a Barnes & N0ble 0r s0mething.

Is any0ne else having tr0uble getting the full article t0 0pen up? All I c0uld 0pen since yesterday was the C0mments secti0n 0f this article (thank g-d f0r small fav0rs).

My neighb0r is in the imp0rt exp0rt business & he said that the w0rd is 0ut that Venezuela is very much th0ugh t0 be a planned target 0f U.S. military acti0n.

C0ngratulati0n's, Rubiat, 0n being able t0 return t0 y0ur h0use!

I have a questi0n: What's the meaning 0f "tinf0il hat"?

That was me, Shar0n, as if y0u c0uldn't tell!

the kids in the movie "signs" wore tin foil hats so the aliens couldn't influence their brains or thoughts! it was in some other movie but i don't remember what!!

Yo, Garry! Might you give the URL on your tinfoil hat site, cloak & dagger, please?

Sharon, Tim Buckley....and his son Jeff Buckley....both with voices of angels. Both dead by 28....exquisite music. Considered folk singers, but to me it was passion/fusion with many styles. Tim died in 1975. I remember being angry and heartbroken....
http://www.hotshotdigital.com/WellAlwaysRemember.3/JeffandTimBuckley.html

I lOVE Tim Buckley... still have his album on tape & play it from time to time. Unfortunately, he was another one of the 60s artists that succumbed to "de drugs" (ala Jimi Hendrix, Janice Joplin, Jim Morrison...)

jm....glad you liked Tim....he is so appropos to our times....and he wrote a few protest songs, very passionate ....but he said that he wanted to spend his time talking about love, not politics and war. (vietnam parallels here). And then wrote this incredible song about war.....these Saturn returns are so painful but fruitful. Tim's estranged son Jeff Buckley inherited the same 5 octave range, talent and looks....and jumped into a river in TN and died about the same age.

Joanna, somehow I knew you would remember Tim.....!

He never started out in the drug 'culture'.....that came later, after his fame. He couldn't cope, but it wasn't his lifestyle. He died of a massive heroin overdose given to him by a careless supplier of same....check out his bio at the url I posted.

It is amazing that so many talents from the birth years in the 1940's died this way.

Now it is guns....

Does everyone feel how the energy has changed? I consider this the lull before the storm. I think it is going to be a big storm in politics....and we are in the quiet part in the eye of the storm.

(heheh) judi G... did anybody in the 60s start out in the drug culture?! ...but young folks certainly glommed on with glee when the psychedelics "appeared." And the artists, all just at their first saturn return. That was when Tpluto had conjuncted their neptunes, trined uranus. In my case, it also exactly squared the cancer moon (shudder). My "drug career" was very short lived, but I did go "nutz n' terrified" for a long while after. Well... & what did we know... all novices in "new consciousness."

Good job Bob, I had to laugh, I too went through a thousand websites and finally paid to find Judith Miller's birthdate yesterday, I should have just come here.

I am still a little concerned about Fitzgerald's birthdate because of the enormous amt of websites that list it at 61, I hope Lois Rodden's site can track it down though birth records.

Judi, thanks for the "energy shift" post because I sure as heck feel an energy shift, starting late yesterday afternoon, I do think they are trying to effectively shut this down and at least have had some success the last couple of days.

JoannaO---
It's www.cloakanddagger.de, sorry it wasn't more visible in my earlier post......

as to the meaning of "tinfoil hat", I'd rfer all to either www.gurunet.com/answers.com or wikipedia......

I l00ked up b0th 12/22/60 and 1/20/61 f0r Fitz (b0th were 0n B0b's site f0r a Patrick J., the first being b0rn in Br00klyn, the sec0nd Jersey City. The 2nd 0ne can be a c0mpletely different pers0n but he is fr0m the NY area (Jersey City is right 0utside NYC).

DATE SID.TIME SUN MOON MERCURY VENUS MARS JUPITER SATURN URANUS NEPTUNE PLUTO NODE
(s0rry if the headings are a bit misaligned)
1/20/61
Fr 20 07:56:32 29CP42 13PI08 08AQ51 16PI23 01CN55 18CP30 21CP50 24LE45 11SC11 07VI43 08VI20

12/22/60
Th 22 06:02:12 00CP09 19AQ53 21SG43 13AQ43 12CN04 11CP47 18CP25 25LE36 10SC36 08VI06 09VI52

My s0urce is: http://www.achernar.btinternet.co.uk/fm.html

The m00n degree is set f0r 12 a.m. I kn0w astr0denst is m0re accurate but this is a quick way t0 d0 it, especially when y0u d0n't have the birth time.

Smirky's naming his SCOTUS pick tonight at 9pm et(a welcome distraction for him and PLamegate, Im sure)--any astrological insights insights on his pick, chart-wise?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/scotus_bush;_ylt=Ah06lMHQt47ngiwQYB9U4_es0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

Diversionary tactic confirmed by Reuters:

http://today.reuters.com/PrinterFriendlyPopup.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=uri:2005-07-19T183405Z_01_N19339683_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-BUSH-COURT-DC.XML

Me thinks it will be Alberto Gonzales. He's one of the schrubs fellow evilgelicans and I think he is the youngest. That would insure a lopsided SC for many years to come.
And yes, this will probably bring the whole Rove ordeal to a screeching halt, allowing them the time to fabricate their stories just as they did with Iraq. Disgusting isn't it?

I don't think the press will let go of the Rove thing so fast - they are enjoying it too much. It may be usurped by the SC story and lie low for a while, but then Fitzgerald will come out with the indictments. I noticed that in the probable Fitzgerald birth info, Uranus is about 25 Leo and the North Node conj. Pluto at about 7 or 8 Virgo. Well, I looked ahead and see that in the first few days of Sept., Mercury will be moving forward over that part of Leo, while Uranus, still retrograding, will be opposing the North node/Pluto conj. That could be the time he announces his indictments.

Sharon, looks like you got your new keyboard....LOL

My keyboard was replaced in June....it was malfunctioning a lot and I didn't realize what the problem was until my MAC suddenly flashed this sign that said YOU NEED A NEW KEYBOARD!

Say...if Smirky picks a new SC judge on a merc. retro, what will THAT mean? confirmation held up? they think he's gonna get selected and he isn't? blocked, etc? hmmmmm

On Saturn conj. my MC/Venus (00 Leo) squaring my Asc. (00 Scorpio) on the day in which my sun ruler Merc goes retrograde....I have work, but for much less money than normal per/storyboard frame (20% less)....and I got a call from a fellow storyboarder in Ohio asking if I wanted to join his group....it would be a 15% savings over having a rep handle it all - and rip me off (I don't have any fears of that with mine here). Well, won't throw my rep over in SF, but I am free to do what I want elsewhere. Shall wait until after Merc is direct to count on anything! LOL....
Also got an offer to go in an entirely NEW direction....so opportunities are being given....Saturn is being a good boy so far.

Rubaiat,

Thank you so much for that short, sweet, simply stated birthday greeting.

I had a long relationship with a Pluto 12th house person and learned a lot. In a nutshell, I read your situation this way. Pluto in the 12th seeks transcendental experience and the fire in the house burned away everything that was inhibiting the realization of this. Now you are probably ready with the trine coming up. The 12th is about spiritual attainment and the material realm can get in the way, as well as the perception of linear time, so some of the past can be deleted in this process. The hardest part is over.

I have Pluto exactly on my Moon right now, and I have changed in a more profound way than ever, save for the time Pluto conjoined my Mars by transit. I often see Pluto requiring a great sacrifice of some sort (burning in the fires), to have access to the hidden treasures he offers in exchange. It just happened to me. And the rewards are starting to become apparent.

I'm curious to see what unfolds for you, although the 12th house experience can be hard to articulate. But I can say for a fact that the burning was a passage into a new realm, especially with your awareness.

Also, a Moon/Pluto conjunction natally portends total transformation of the feeling self and the past, especially in the 12th. A confrontation with the subconscious that only the brave can endure. This might be the BIG experience of your life. Pluto in the 4th set off this destined Moon/Pluto thing by unblocking the entrance. Now you can settle in and "enjoy" this inner journey.

HI!!!

here are two great links on election fraud. the first one, "The Unanswered Question..." will be a historic document as it evolves. SHARE IT LIBERALLY. we have to get the word out now that the whole administration is in question.

The Unanswered Question: Who Really Won In 2004?

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0507/S00238.htm

(Way to go SCOOP NZ!!!)

Same article on DemocraticUnderground.Com

http://democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=384064&mesg_id=384064

ALSO

J. Conyers' What Went Wrong In Ohio – A Summary

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0507/S00237.htm

jm...I was born with a moon/pluto conjunction in Leo in the 10th. There is a huge amount of people with a conjunction like that if you think about it...Pluto was in Leo for 20 years...when Pluto squared that conjunction (for many years) I went thru a total transformation...BIG TIME.
I think I fall into the brave category!

Land of the free, Home of the brave!

At least here at AW.

Judi, could you ever doubt the bravery? Especially with Mars in Aries. Plus the Pluto ruling your Scorpio ascendant in such an elevated strong postion. The way you talk about the power of music speaks to me of this Moon/Pluto conjunction, and the transformative, healing aspect of the feeling body. Of emotional self-expression.
I know as a Cancer with a Moon/Jupiter conjunction trine Pluto that there is an unmistakable deep satisfaction in experiencing all emotion. With the Moon you can't pick and choose. It's a constant flux.
I found a Mose Allison song last night called "How Much Truth?" that remimded me of the whole thing. I was stunned at the profundity of this tune, witten by Mose, and at the timliness of my discovery. You would love it.

I think this Moon ruled country has lost touch with this part of itself. Our government is so lacking in melody, rhythm, and grace that hopefully the need will surface soon in the cyclic way things do. Even talking about art and music is a start.

Mike...the 2004 election results figures are a direct refutation of the people who said 'bush won, get over it'....I never did, and none of us here ever got over it....of course, we KNEW it was a shaggingly rigged election. And Mike, you must have read this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=384064&mesg_id=384117
I monitor the 2004 Election thread and have been a believer
and trying to stay on top of Election Fraud at other sites as well as here at DU.
My response to all of the information and the included threads is to ask whether or not you are sharing all of this information with top level Election Fraud efforts who might need it. TruthIsAll has posting excellent data here for many many months - as you noted. My fear is that it gets read here and people agree and that nothing else happens with so much valuable information. It would seem there is much proof in the DU Election 2004 thread but what happens to it after that?
Just wondering. And yes, I do my part when I can by sending items to Velvet Revolution and other election fraud sites but it all seems too scattered and why can't we get A SINGLE UNIFIED EFFORT going?

Faux news is reporting that the nominee for SCOTUS is John Roberts, an appeals court judge in DC.

And judi, I feel the shift too. I think with Saturn in Leo we will realize that we are actors in the show as well. We've been following these players in almost forced attention for long enough... doing one horrible thing after another with barely time to take a breath. I woudn't pay a penny to see a movie like this. So flat, non dimensional. So predictable. So disappointing. So brutal on the senses. No heroism. No romance. Not even a command of our beautiful language as all Thespians should have. It's not my idea of life's drama.

Now I want to see what we can do.

JM....musical heart is right..Mose Allison, I used to just eat his music up......so now I must send the EX a request to burn me some Mose...

The most difficult years I remember, for me, was from 1980-1993....total and complete reversal of every element in my life....psychotic break in 1983, and about 3 more years of fast developing psychic phenomena...seeing things, to put it bluntly. Like spirits flying in and out of my body....a psychic once said I looked like I had a white tornado over my head. So I KNOW there is a level of reality existing which would drive us all mad if we lived in it. And some people live right on the edge of it.

I am the last person on earth to ever say that concepts are concrete, because to me nothing is concrete. I always thought it was just because I was crazy....but instead, it is an intuition that all of 'this' is but an illusion (which is, of course, the foundation of Hindu philosophy as well as many others). This illusion is there because it helps to keep us 'organized' in order to exist. Any acid experience will ALSO tell you this, LOL....

So...music is expression of the dance of life....and politics is the expression of the need to control the illusion!!!! Here's to all the illusion busters! And you know who you are.

I'll raise my glass to that! Well put, judi.

"This illusion is there because it helps to keep us 'organized' in order to exist. Any acid experience will ALSO tell you this, LOL...."
That's what they say! LOL!

John G. Roberts Jr.
"With impeccable credentials ... the question marks about Roberts have always been ideological. While his Republican party loyalties are undoubted, earning him the opposition of liberal advocacy groups, he is not a 'movement conservative,' and some on the party's right-wing doubt his commitment to their cause. His paper record is thin: as Deputy Solicitor General in 1990, he argued in favor of a government regulation that banned abortion-related counseling by federally-funded family planning programs. A line in his brief noted the Bush administration's belief that Roe v. Wade should be overruled."
— Washington Post, July 1, 2005

"Roberts has been floated as a nominee who could win widespread support in the Senate. Not so likely. He hasn't been on the bench long enough for his judicial opinions to provide much ammunition for liberal opposition groups. But his record as a lawyer for the Reagan and first Bush administrations and in private practice is down-the-line conservative on key contested fronts, including abortion, separation of church and state, and environmental protection. ...

"For Bush I, successfully helped argue that doctors and clinics receiving federal funds may not talk to patients about abortion. (Rust v. Sullivan, 1991)"
— Slate Magazine, June 24, 2005

"The official, who declined to be named, said appellate judges J. Michael Luttig of Richmond, John Roberts of Washington and Samuel Alito Jr. of New Jersey might top the list, which published reports say also includes several other judges and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. ...

"Roberts, 50, voiced opposition to abortion rights as a government lawyer. In 1991, he co-wrote a government brief in support of federal law barring federally funded family planning organizations from offering abortion-related counseling. The government argued that Roe v. Wade 'was wrongly decided and should be overturned,' and that the high court's ruling in the landmark abortion case was not supported 'in the text, structure or history of the Constitution."
— Atlanta Journal-Constitution, June 24, 2005

"Roberts, 50, has seen his stock rise in recent months. Widely considered one of the top appellate lawyers to argue before the Supreme Court, Roberts was first nominated to the bench near the end of the elder Bush's presidency, and the nomination died in the Senate. He was confirmed two years ago with bipartisan support, but less is known about his views than those of other contenders."
— Chicago Tribune, June 22, 2005

"Many liberals think Roberts may be a sign of what's to come. They grew nervous with his dissents challenging the constitutionality of the Endangered Species Act and because of his support of the White House decision to keep the Cheney energy task force records secret."
— The Village Voice, June 21, 2005

"In the meantime, Republicans close to the preparations say that the White House has assembled research on some 20 Supreme Court candidates, with more intensive research on a handful of the most mentioned, all federal appellate judges and all conservative: ... John G. Roberts Jr. of the District of Columbia ... "
— The New York Times, June 20, 2005

"White House officials have prepared for the prospect by culling long lists of possible candidates, poring through old cases and weighing a variety of factors from judicial philosophy to age. Bush and his inner circle have had tightly held deliberations and no one can say for sure whom he might pick for chief justice, but outside advisers to the White House believe the main candidates are federal appeals Judges John G. Roberts ... "
— The Washington Post, June 19, 2005

"A former Rehnquist clerk has also been mentioned as a possible court nominee. John G. Roberts, who has been on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit since June 2003, was one of President Bush's least contentious picks for the bench. ...

"Roberts, 50, has generally avoided weighing in on disputed social issues. Abortion rights groups, however, have maintained that he tried during his days as a lawyer in the first Bush administration to overturn Roe v. Wade."
— Associated Press, June 18, 2005

Who is John G Roberts, Jr.....

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July 19, 2005
President Chooses Conservative Judge as Nominee to Court
By DAVID STOUT
and ELISABETH BUMILLER
WASHINGTON, July 19 - President Bush is nominating John G. Roberts Jr., a conservative federal appellate judge from Washington, D.C., to the first vacancy on the Supreme Court in 11 years.

President Bush was to announce the selection of Judge Roberts, who sits on the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, on television at 9 p.m. But news of the selection leaked out in advance of the White House ceremony.

News of Judge Roberts's selection came at the end of a day of whirlwind speculation that, for several hours, had put Judge Edith Brown Clement of the federal appeals court in New Orleans, then Judge J. Michael Luttig of the federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., at or near the top of the list of candidates.

Judge Roberts, 50, once clerked for Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist when the chief was an associate justice and is viewed as one of the more accomplished lawyers to argue before the Supreme Court, having won more than two dozen cases before becoming a judge.

The judge has been on the Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit since May 2003. That court has often been a springboard for the Supreme Court; indeed, three current members of the high court, Justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, were once on the D.C. Circuit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/19/politics/politicsspecial1/19cnd-judge.html?ei=5094&en=856520306462d3af&hp=&ex=1121832000&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print

Judge Roberts has been up for confirmation to Lower Courts twice -- once in 1990, I believe, and again 2001 -- and the Senate rejected him both times. The time he FINALLY made it onto the Bench was when Bush et al. gave the Senate only ONE day of Confirmation Hearings, not giving the Senate nearly enough time to hold an appropriate Hearing.

Just FYI

Roberts born Jan 27, 1955, Buffalo, NY

Three card monte all over again. Get the focus off Rove.

John Roberts: Born Buffalo, NY 1/27/2005 Placidus noon day chart. Sun at 7 Aquarius, in the 9th and -get this- Mercury at 25 Aquarius just about the kiss the MC. Taurus rising. Gotta go. PBS is having special on the Cedar Rev. in Leb.

Unable to record it. Oh well.

dears jm and judi,
thank you for reminding that i'm "brave" too...this fire was bad but not as bad as what happened through the square and opposition aspects of the 90's.
so i'll try to look ahead with more confidence.
thanks again!

Frankly, I think Roberts is being used as a pawn. Too many venus/pluto contacts natal to transits. His natal Chiron is at 0Aquarius and he has just experienced a Chiron return. Saturn now opposes this position. Transiting Venus is now conjunct his natal Pluto, and Transiting Pluto is conjunct his natal Venus and Squaring his natal Moon...maybe.

I certainly agree, Beasley. He's a diversion.

Aravosis over at americablog.com has gone ballistic and posted lots of info about Roberts. So you might want to check there while you're out looking for more data on this guy with two--count 'em TWO--years experience on the bench.

Surprise, surprise---Smirky picks a pink malebot who's against women's rights and is a conservative---but he's also an AQUARIUS?

This is too much--where are the ideals my sign stands for? Between this guy Roberts and Darth Cheney, I'm aghast.......

Garry - I am an Aquarian too. Maybe the January Aquarians are more conservative? It is rather disconcerting. I took the night off and watched The Day After Tomorrow on cable. I couldn't deal with much after I heard who The Naked Emperor picked.

I've been watching more movies and reading more fantasy since Uranus went into Pisces. I am beginning to understand Pisces better now with my ruler there.

Thank you, wv and Beasley, for Roberts' birth date.

Nancy---
Could be, although I'm an early (Jan 24th) Aquarius myself and I really think I'm getting more liberal the older I get.......

I'm an Aquarian, too.

What you may not know is that Mr. Roberts Moon is in Pisces. Interesting chart. That Mercury on the US Moon. Sun at 7Aqr trine Mars at 7 Aries.

Still, there are too many hits that make me feel that George is indeed using this nomination as a politcal pawn to redirect the Democrat's energy towards the "wrong" target. I'm not it is going to work if we email our reps to tell them to keep their eye on the ball. Several networks have mentioned the possibility that Mr. Bush was trying to get our minds off Rove by doing this, but then they always had some pundit saying "Nah."

Mr. Roberts will be experiencing a Sun/Saturn opposition very shortly... by Oct. Will do a solar return and see what comes up.

The main concern with Roberts is his Mercury in Aquarius conj. the US Moon and they both square his Saturn, making it possibly tough on women. What is really intriguing is Neptune will square his Saturn and conj his Mercury over the next 5 years, making him somewhat confused about his opinions. His Sun is on the US South Node, and his Saturn is on the Supreme Court's NN. A karmic appointment. In the last 4 years he has had several opportunities to temper his opinions, with Neptune over his Sun, Uranus square his Saturn and conj. his Mercury. Saturn conj. his Jupiter/Uranus and Square his Neptune, Pluto conj. his Venus possibly squaring his Moon (or that could still be to come, we don't have a Birthtime.) Lots of activity in the last 4 years and lots of opportunity to grow and learn.

Everyone over 50 has had their Chiron return, if you are over 100 you've had two of them, we almost all have survived our Chiron returns, however I never see one coming, including my own, that I don't remember that Rod Serling of Twilight Zone fame, died on his Chiron return of a massive heart attack.

What I do know is them el pinko supremacist MALEbots had better keep their freakin' snouts OUT of womens' snatches. They've plenty enuf to worry about with their OWN organs... like say, xian priests et al have shown us countless times. If anything really, really riles me to see purple, it's THAT issue!!

Cheney is a Sun Aquarius like Roberts, but also like Roberts, he has his Natal Moon in Pisces as well. Maybe there's a correlation?

To the nicely spiffed up, WD-40d, newly-sharpened French guillotines with the whole lot of 'em porno-puritans... & face up, not face down, so they can see it comin'!!

Is that scorpio mars/mercury squared pluto/saturn enuf fer anybody?!?!? ;O)

You tell'em, Joanna.

Saay, thanx, jm.

They picked him and primed him for this seat! Bush appointed him only two years ago as a judge. Roberts is the 'right stuff' for Neos... and Joanna's take on his aspects says it all. Besides, my fundie sister has Sun in Aquarius - SATURN and Uranus rule Aquarius... she is definitely ruled by Saturn...

Fact is, this war criminal has no business making any appointment --- an indictment is coming his way... Rovegate is not 'going' away --- not if the blogs have their way!

The president's first two nominations to the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia curcuit --- generally regarded as the stepping-stone to the Supreme Court --- went to Miguel Estrada and John G Roberts Jr., who had played important behind-the scenes roles in the Florida litigation.

The New York Post LOVES Mr. Roberts....

http://www.nypost.com/php/pfriendly/pfriendly_new.php

It has started...

Subject: Oppose John Roberts' Supreme Court Nomination

Hello,

In the past weeks, Republicans and Democrats have called on President Bush to nominate a moderate for the Supreme Court –- someone who would honor the legacy of independent Justice Sandra Day O’Connor. But last night, President Bush nominated Judge John Roberts, a far-right lawyer and corporate lobbyist, to fill her post on the Supreme Court.

We’ve got to stop Roberts. He opposed clean air rules and worked to help coal companies strip-mine mountaintops. He worked with Ken Starr (yes, that Ken Starr), and tried to keep Congress from defending the Voting Rights Act. He wrote that Roe v. Wade should be “overruled,” and as a lawyer argued (and won) the case that stopped some doctors from even discussing abortion.

Join me in signing MoveOn’s petition to let our Senators know we expect them to oppose John Roberts right now at:

http://political.moveon.org/roberts

Thanks.

Mark Morford's Notes & Errata =====
SFGate.com - Wednesday, July 20, 2005

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America's Big Malignant Tumor
Libs are salivating that Karl Rove might go down. But hasn't the worst cancer already spread?
By Mark Morford

It's almost too good to be true. It's almost like you can't hardly believe it and it feels like it must be a nasty trick, a scam, some sexy lithe European fashion model smiling all coy and flirty as she offers you her thong underwear only to yank it away just as you reach for it as she instantly turns back into a hairy incubus and dashes away, cackling. Ohpleaseohpleaseohplease ... yank.

And maybe, if you're like me, deep inside your cynical Bush-ravaged heart you already know it won't actually happen, because no way is the world aligned correctly right now and no way is there any true justice happening anywhere near the White House right now, and what's more, the man in question is perhaps the slipperiest and sweatiest and most powerful adviser of a major world leader since an invisible purple demon hissed sweet nothings into Mussolini's ear, and therefore if anyone could finagle his way into remaining Grand Overlord Puppetmaster for as long as he damn well pleases, it's Karl Rove.

But despite all my doubts, the astonishing news remains: Rove, AKA Bush's Brain, AKA "Turd Blossom" (Bush's nickname for Rove), AKA "The Architect," AKA the most powerful and brilliant and deeply unlikable political thug most people have barely heard of because he's just that kind of secretive nefarious genius the likes of which makes women recoil and flowers wilt and moderate politicians break out in hives, well, Rove might have stepped over the line just far enough to end his current reign as Dark Lord of Shrubtown.

In sum, one could argue that Rove, as part of a multitentacled stratagems to help Bush lie America into war, intentionally blew the cover of an underground CIA agent (Valerie Plame), and did so merely as revenge, as a smear tactic against Plame's husband, who dared suggest, way back when BushCo was downright desperate to mangle CIA intelligence and fabricate any excuse possible to force us into this unwinnable Iraq war, that Saddam might not actually have any WMD at all. ...

(click here to read the rest)

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Well WV, everyone should read the Mark Morford column you posted above, particularly the last paragraph. That's an option and concern I've had since the Rove thing broke this summer. I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why the Bush White House would have seemingly gone ahead with an investigation if there wasn't a snake at the bottom of that investigation and they figure the snake isn't Rove.

Sally-
Boy, were you right about that Morford article, and that's something that's been nagging at me since this thing has started.....is Rove really behind all of this?

It's my nature to make things more complicated, but for all of his sheer cunning and tactical skill, I find it hard to believe that he would do himself in---UNLESS, this whole investigation is a revenge effort by the CIA as a payback for W.'s partisan housecleaning awhile back.

Just makes me sick to think that these evil "people"(using that term VERY loosely) are for the most part, gonna skate away, scot-free......

Sorry, all, not trying to be a downer here.....

If I had the money I would leave the country for good. Thing is, I live in Texas, am unemployed due to layoffs and have had 3 interviews in the past 15 months. Doesn't matter that I have 25 years of work experience under my belt in various management positions. I don't have that piece of paper that all of a sudden became a must to get a decent paying job when Reagan was in office.

If someone wants to do a chart for whats in store for me for the next year, please do so. I am at a loss. My b-day is July 7, 1961, 4:12am, Houston Tx.

As far as Rove goes, I still really think that nothing will happen to the creep. Remember how all of Damian's foes met an untimely death in the Omen?

Also, I don't think Rove is the grandmaster of this mess. Look towards Poppy, the NWO that came about during the Reagan years and PNAC. That's where all of this leads. Matter of fact, I think it all has to do with PNAC.

Garry - I here you Bro...I have been "sick" ever since the Turd used his skills to bring the schrub the govs office in Texas by railroading Ann Richards. God, I wish Ann were back....

Garry - That's - Hear - you Bro....hahaha....:)

Bah. Humbug. I've had the creeps last couple of days. I think another chunk of "Frozen Darkness" is about to break off its nasty self to make its presence known. But it's doing its thang... passing. The Darkness is running out of Darkness imo.

Ah, Ha - Ann Coulter thinks Roberts is the wrong
pick...

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3acj.htm

Here is Juan Cole's opinion on the nomination.
http://www.juancole.com/

If I had some cold cyberspace water, I would toss it ---

Things are bad enough without someone conjuring up some notion that Rove could be appointed to the SC... first of all, the fascist never finished college --- he simply moved from one to another... secondly, he doesn't have a law degree... Yes, I know there are NO REQUIREMENTS for appointment to the Court, but ALL appointments thus far have been lawyers...

As for conjuring up the Plame scandal, the 'genius' proved himself to be not as 'smart' as some would think. It doesn't require much to be Bush's 'brain'... Rove is not brilliant, he is evil... there is a distinction. Rove worships Machivelian politics --- that makes him ruthless, not smart. There is a distinction.

The White House didn't 'allow this to move forward' --- they did everything they could to stall an investigation. Ashcroft recrused himself. And he stepped before the end of Bush's first term. Aside from Ari Fleischer and Colin Powell, I can think of no other high profile member of the administration who has left... all the other cockroaches have merely moved to another piece of woodwork.

Folks give Rove too much power when they suggest he has 'set us up' --- Bush's numbers are in the toilet and Rove is still in office only because Bush does not function without direction and will not let go of Rove or Cheney until they indict him (Bush)...

Fitzgerald is not going to let go of this bone.

I don't delude myself into thinking Bush will be indicted... I merely hope. But I do recognize that Rove is in a mess of trouble, and his indictment is coming... pardon or no!

Well, Sally's article is great - Professor Snape turns out to be "The Half-Blood Prince" and working for the Dark Lord all along. I kept seeing connections while I read the book.
Got the book Saturday, what a funny day it was. I stumbled, fumbled, bumped, and tripped my way around Tocama running errands; I never had such a day. Very weird.
Happy late BD to JM.

Jill G.,

Please tell me you just didn't give away the Plot Twist in the latest Harry Potter book!

Grrrrrrrrr ... :-)

Don't worry Jonathan - my daughter is a big Harry Potter fan and within minutes of the new book going on sale she had two friends email her the plot of the entire book complete with what happened to whom! Needless to say she was not happy, but it has not stopped her from getting the book and reading it herself.

Here's a good read from the Progressive Daily Beacon:

Bush-Rove pull Supreme Court nominee Roberts out of their ass, so nobody will pay attention to their act of treason
by August Keso, July 20th, 2005
Now, that the Bushevik regime has distracted the press and American people from not only Rove's, but all their criminal behavior concerning the outing of a CIA agent and all the other Iraq War lies (because ultimately Plame was about protecting the Bush lies concerning Iraq's non-existent WMD) the Bush White House can smirk and rest easy. Nothing like nominating an extreme right-winger to the Supreme Court, to provide the press with an easy excuse for avoiding real news and to cover one's own criminal ass! No doubt boy-blunder and RepubliCON mob boss Bush and his accomplice Rove are patting one another on the back and saying, "Mission accomplished," but only this time, unlike Iraq, for reals.

One can almost see the knowing smiles on the faces of the anchor people at CNN, as they sit in awe and wonder of just how easy it is, for Bush and Rove to manipulate the media and the masses. "Jesus" CNN, NY Times and Washington Post reporters must be saying to one another, "they cut this one close! We almost had to tell the American people the truth about just how corrupt Bush really is."

"Yes," they must have been saying, "had they not pulled this out of their pathetic criminal asses, we'd have had to tell the people the entire truth about the Iraq War."

Well, not to worry America and America's sorry excuse for a press corps, the one thing the Busheviks do better than lying is finding away to cover for those lies. Hell, it is all they do, so they should be good at it! They break the law, endanger national security, lie the nation into a war and then they figure out a way to cover their tracks and their criminal asses. Well done George "W" (as in widow-maker) Bush!

You and Rove proved you are all much better criminals than you are Americans or elected officials. But then again, your motto isn't "It isn't whether or not we break the law, but whether or not we get caught that matters," for nothing. Eh...besides, what's a little CIA agent working on WMD outing treasonous act between a President and his butt-buddy political assassin?

Not that the Democrats are smart enough to do it, but the intelligent thing for them to do, would be to immediately declare Roberts filibustered and then say, "We'll reconsider his nomination soon as Bush and Rove come clean or at the very least, when we see them rotting in jail." That's what the Democrats should do, but it isn't likely they've got the balls to do that, and get the spotlight back on Bush-Rove and their act of treason, which is where the focus should be.

Friends here,

In honor of Apollo 11 mission, 20 July 1979, and the full moon rising conjunct Chiron and Nessus opposite Saturn
http://moon.google.com/
use maximum zoom for the google-ish prize.
tseka

Sorry that date should have read, 20 July 1969

Thank you, Jill G. This a huge and strong web of good souls who count just as much as the less socially conscious and kind. And we have just as much power. The game wouldn't be any good unless the players were matched well.

Why so defeated?

This is just the thing that we are supposed to get away from. Rove is running out of power. And it wasn't deep and real to begin with. The more we revert to this fear of him, the more they win. He'll be gone and so will his influence. Everything rides a curve( it was blasphemy once to declare that the earth wasn't flat), and of course this political Mafia could be continuing, but it doesn't look that way. We can imagine all sorts of horrible plots, but stories have a way of morphing into something else given enough time.

This story is in the hands of the law now. Outside of propaganda, outside of politics. There is nothing to so but wait and let the process unfold. My greatest frustration with my friends is how I see some of them attribute mythological power to these people. The power is elsewhere.

I think the SC story is good at this point. It takes the anxiety off the Rove scandal while the slow legal process continues. While the plot thickens, the suspense builds, and the mystery remains. These people are in genuine trouble.

It's all guesswork at this point. I think we like that in life, really. Not knowing. Life is a page turner.

Justice always comes and goes. Real life is no different than the fantasies we devour. Good turns to bad and back to good. There is no ending. Just our own. Isn't that the basic fear?

Faith, mes amis.

Hi all: Thanks for the excellent articles on Miller and all the various comments on the Plame investigation.

I am most troubled by this question that I can't seem to find an answer or spectulation on regarding the Plame investigation. Can any of you help me with it?

The investigation is to uncover who leaked Plame's name. If Fitzerald eventually uncovers the truth..... DOES THE INVESTIGATION STOP THERE?
WILL HE BE TRYING TO UNCOVER THE MOTIVATION FOR THE LEAK? COULD THE SCOPE OF THE INVESTIGATION INCLUDE MORE.

Are any of you versed in how these legal matters work and could help me so I can quiet my mind about this. If he is going to stop as soon as he uncover's the leaker's identity, than this will be another scandal that will be whitewashed just like Lord Hutton whitewashed for Tony Blair.

A couple tidbits:

This Grand Jury will expire in October, 2005 so a decision/indictment will have to be done by then. What happens if the Jury expires and nothing is rendered?

Patrick Fitzgerald prosecuted and found guilty, Illinois
Governor George Ryan, a fellow republican. Do
you all remember from a couple of years ago?

GARRY: I am in much agreement with you on your concern about the Downing Street Memo being overlooked due to Plamegate. However, both issues are interlocked. I hope that you and others signed John Conyer's letter to the President in regard to Downing Street. I remember Sally stating that Pluto is helping him out right now and that he is in "his power". I posted the website a few weeks ago but neglected/forgot to sign my name. Please all, do so now if you haven't yet as I do not wish Downing to loose any traction either. http://johnconyers.com

Judith Miller perhaps is protecting herself. Karl Rove specifically stated that he was informed of the CIA Agent's identity by a "journalist". I have heard other news sources call the leaker a "news media" also. Couldn't it be that since she was so "imbedded" with the administration that she was involved with Cheney's Office Of Special Plans (which was dismanteled right after the war commenced) and that she got the information directly from Libby or Cheney? That needs to be investigated too.

Please tell me what you all think about this. I can't find anyone to talk to about it, as no one around here seems to be interested or if interested don't keep up on it. It does sound heartening though that 50% of Americans are keeping abreast of Plamegate.

Hi all: Thanks for the excellent articles on Miller and all the various comments on the Plame investigation.

I am most troubled by this question that I can't seem to find an answer or spectulation on regarding the Plame investigation. Can any of you help me with it?

The investigation is to uncover who leaked Plame's name. If Fitzerald eventually uncovers the truth..... DOES THE INVESTIGATION STOP THERE?
WILL HE BE TRYING TO UNCOVER THE MOTIVATION FOR THE LEAK? COULD THE SCOPE OF THE INVESTIGATION INCLUDE MORE.

Are any of you versed in how these legal matters work and could help me so I can quiet my mind about this. If he is going to stop as soon as he uncover's the leaker's identity, than this will be another scandal that will be whitewashed just like Lord Hutton whitewashed for Tony Blair.

A couple tidbits:

This Grand Jury will expire in October, 2005 so a decision/indictment will have to be done by then. What happens if the Jury expires and nothing is rendered?

Patrick Fitzgerald prosecuted and found guilty, Illinois
Governor George Ryan, a fellow republican. Do
you all remember from a couple of years ago?

GARRY: I am in much agreement with you on your concern about the Downing Street Memo being overlooked due to Plamegate. However, both issues are interlocked. I hope that you and others signed John Conyer's letter to the President in regard to Downing Street. I remember Sally stating that Pluto is helping him out right now and that he is in "his power". I posted the website a few weeks ago but neglected/forgot to sign my name. Please all, do so now if you haven't yet as I do not wish Downing to loose any traction either. http://johnconyers.com

Judith Miller perhaps is protecting herself. Karl Rove specifically stated that he was informed of the CIA Agent's identity by a "journalist". I have heard other news sources call the leaker a "news media" also. Couldn't it be that since she was so "imbedded" with the administration that she was involved with Cheney's Office Of Special Plans (which was dismanteled right after the war commenced) and that she got the information directly from Libby or Cheney? That needs to be investigated too.

Please tell me what you all think about this. I can't find anyone to talk to about it, as no one around here seems to be interested or if interested don't keep up on it. It does sound heartening though that 50% of Americans are keeping abreast of Plamegate.

It's probably kind of silly but I really wish nothing had been said about the Harry Potter book. I've been consciously avoiding any spoilers about it and now.......oh well...I'll still read it but some of the fun has gone now. I hope overall it lives up to its hype.

Beverley, I know how you feel...no one wants to talk about it. My favorite thing that happened on Sunday (I'm being sarcastic here) is that an old friend told me that she doesn't want to hear any of my political talk because I bring her 'down'. Now you MUST understand, this is a person who talks straight for 45 minutes at a minimum about her family problems, to me, on EVERY occasion....! I've never once told her that her family makes me crazy and down. Mostly because I don't identify with them and they don't bring me down - one would have to actually CARE what happens to the psychotic loonies in the first place! And my daughter won't let me talk of politics, or the EX, so it is me and the email. And this ASTRO place of sanity!

Here is something else to think about...look at all the conservatives appointed to the court of the supremes who turned LIBERAL...including justice Byron White who wrote the Roe V Wade decision. I almost wrote Rove....interesting, it is an anagram of Roe V.

Another story...it was 40 years ago that the Watts riots broke out in LA...I worked downtown at the May Co. ad dept....some of our people lived in Watts. You have never seen a city so scared. and there were only 2 news photographer down there, one of whom had just graduated from Art Center with me in June of 1965 and was a stringer for Time. He was down photographing the Watts Towers and got stuck down there for a week...it made his fame! But damn, it was scary time. In honor of this anniversary, Huey Newton's widow has produced a hot sauce called 'burn baby burn'.....to go on sale! LOL

Beverly,

John Dean's website is collecting documents related to the Plame scandal and to Iraq... I had the link yesterday and can't find it today! I did however find the following documents at the link listed below. One of the documents around the time of Ashcroft's recrusal may give you the info you are searching for... I also am curious as to the scope of Fitzgerald's case - in other words, if he finds more than the outing of a CIA agent, will he be able to expand the scope, or? I do know that Grand Juries can be extended... frankly, I don't want this to go on, I want to see an indictment for at least Rove, and a movement onto other folks... Anyway, I agree it is difficult to get answers to these questions. If the press had a notion of what their job description is they would be doing this... but of course they don't. Namaste

Letter from Democratic Leaders of Congress to U.S. Comptroller General David Walker (Requesting Investigation by General Accounting Office Re Protecting Plame's Identity) (Jan. 26, 2004)

Letter from U.S. Senator Charles Schumer to Deputy Attorney General James Comey (Requesting Update from Justice Department) (Jan. 22, 2004)

House Resolution 499 - Resolution of Inquiry [HTML version] (Sponsored by U.S. Rep. Rush Holt) (Jan. 21, 2004)

Letter from U.S. Rep. Henry Waxman to Nat'l Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice (Requesting Information On Inconsistencies in Handling Disclosures re Valerie Plame and Disclosures by Fmr. Treas. Sec'y Paul O'Neill) (Jan. 14, 2004)

Letter from U.S. Senator Charles Schumer to White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card (Requesting White House have its employees sign waivers releasing reporters from confidentiality agreements) (Jan. 6, 2004)

Letter from U.S. Rep. Henry Waxman to U.S. Rep. Tom Davis (Renewing Request to House Committee on Government Reform to investigate leak) (Dec. 11, 2003)

Letter from U.S. Sens. Schumer and Kennedy to John Dion of Dept. of Justice (Requesting Explanation of Apparent Delays in White House's Production of Evidence) (Oct. 15, 2003)

Letter from U.S. Senator Charles Schumer to Attorney General John Ashcroft (Asking Why Justice Dept "Telegraphed" Plan to Notify Employees of Defense and State Depts to Preserve Documents Relating to Investigation.) (Oct. 3, 2003)

Letter from U.S. Senator Charles Schumer to Attorney General John Ashcroft (Additional Evidence Supporting Appointment of Special Counsel to Investigate and Prosecute Leaking of an Undercover CIA Agent's Identity) (Oct. 1, 2003)

Letter from Dem. Members of Sen. Governmental Affairs Com. to White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card (Requesting White House to Take Steps to Preserve Evidence Relevant to Leak Investigation) (Sept. 30, 2003)

Letter from U.S. Rep. John Conyers to Attorney General John Ashcroft (Requesting Appointment of Special Counsel under 28 CFR § 600.1 to investigate leak) (Sept. 29, 2003)

Letter from U.S. Rep. Henry Waxman to U.S. Rep. Tom Davis (Requesting House Committee on Government Reform to investigate leak) (Sept. 29, 2003)

Letter from U.S. Senator Charles Schumer to Attorney General John Ashcroft (Requesting appointment of Special Counsel to Investigate and Prosecute Leaking of an Undercover CIA Agent's Identity) (Sept. 29, 2003)

Letter from U.S. Senator Charles Schumer to FBI Director Robert Mueller (Requesting Criminal Investigation into Disclosure of Identity of Undercover CIA operative) (July 24, 2003)

Dept. of Justice Regulation - Grounds for Appointing Special Counsel (28 Code of Fed. Regs. Sec. 600.1) (Revised as of July 1, 2003)

Intelligence Identities and Protection Act (50 U.S. Code Sec. 421)

http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/documents/

Jo...Claudia has a link to Dean's web site at StarCats....

Judy: Thank you. I am always appalled at the lack of interest from coworkers, friends, and family regarding the goings-on in Washington D.C.

We are both Gemini, so naturally curious.

I am hoping I am witnessing the begining of the end of this administration.

For Delay watchers: There is recent news (7-17-05) concerning Delay aide/lawsuit appeal, etc. System won't let me link but NPR said last week looking closer to ciminal proceedings against Delay. You might try offthekuff.com. if interested.

I can't link and post twice as system tells me about security violation???? Sorry.

Beverly,
I don't know if it's my wishful thinking but i'm looking for something much bigger than a leak to be the outcome of the grand jury's inquiry. My hopes are resting on the fact that they are currently considering information that has been requested on the WHIGs a group of people within (and possibly outside of) the white house who were "selling" us the war on Iraq. These people include Mary Maitlin, Condi Rice, Rove, others... Secondly the grand jury is considering phone logs of Airforce one. It is a type of espionage to fish for or alter data then use it to take us into war with a country that has not threatened us. Being part of the government or in the pay of the government does not protect them, in fact they are held to a higher standard of conduct.

Early in the first term of this administration i (like many) had a strong sense that Cheney would be out, replaced by an unknown then Bush would resign and the new veep would pardon all if an investigation became unmanageable. The object of the game for the unknown movers behind scene is to keep the structure through which they manage us in place. (the easiest way to manage is through religion and laws) Meanwhile they have stripped us of our military power, our treasury and have all moved lock, stock, and barrel to China.

Six years ago i thought it might be India they were grooming but the army can't measure up to the needs.

It was always about the SCOTUS. They need in place justices who will rule in favor of corporations. It's set in place now, witness the recent decisions: medical marijuana decided under interstate transport of commodities!!! Then eminent domain ruling. WE own you! The US is a nation of law not of men, remember? They now control the tools and the guys who got them in place; Bushco, are expendable.

My hope is that many former foes like Bob Barr who now works with the ACLU are putting aside their minor differences and looking at the straight stuff what our constitution is made of. (Much as I appreciate a woman's right to choose this is a red herring) The libertarian view and the progressive view is remarkably similar at it's core. I'm looking at Fitzgerald as one of the courageous few who wants to keep this country true to it's founding doctrine.
wishing it so

Jo: Thank you so much. I didn't realize there was so much activity around this issue. I copied your posting and will see what I can find from them.

You said earlier that you think the Plamegate goes directly to Cheney. I wholeheartedly agree. I want the inquiry to proceed directly to him!

Judi, Judi, Judi!

Do you speed read? I know some Geminis do... but, I am not in search of John Dean's website, I have that...

I am looking for the link on his website which lists the documents Findlaw is collecting that pertain to the Plame matter as well as the entire Iraqi invasion... I was on that site yesterday, and I minimized it so the boys could have some time on the computer... we had our usual afternoon rain storm and the computer went down and when they booted up, the site was gone... and I can't find it in my 'history' because I got to it from another website (I thought it was Americablog, but I looked and can't find it there) thanks anyway for your direction to Claudia's site, it's always a treat to go there! namaste

Beverly,

Here you go - this is the link I was looking for... Findlaw's complete compilation of Plame and Iraqi documents to date --- they are adding more every day... and this is the one I was looking for that I thought might give you what you are looking for --- scroll down to:

Dept. of Justice Press Conf. - Recusal of Atty. Gen., Appointment of Special Prosecutor (Deputy Atty. Gen. Andrew Comey holds Press Conf. to Announce Recusal of Atty. Gen. Ashcroft and Appointment of Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald) (Dec. 30, 2003)

http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/lit/iraq/documents.html

Dean/Findlaw.com
is this what you are looking for? it was on starcats

tseka, soooo well said!

I think we should do whatever we can and let the rest take care of itself. There's really nothing we can do about the SC, and they could all be dead tomorrow. As long as the states retain some autonomy, we have self defense.

I think our ace is the grand jury and the indictments around the cooked intelligence. So it makes sense to focus on this entirely. Not let it out of our grasp. We do what we can, and a victory over this administration, although not solving the bigger problems, will give us a boost and some power to go ahead and tackle whatever we can as it comes within range.

As a smart warrior observes carefully and knows exactly where the battle is and when to engage.

We can't blow up the whole corporate structure, but we can catch crimes as they occur, and keep punching holes and springing leaks.

Beverly,

APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL PROSECUTOR TO OVERSEE INVESTIGATION INTO ALLEGED LEAK OF CIA AGENT IDENTITY ---
that would be Patrick J. Fitzgerald, Dec 30,2003

..."The first development is that effective today, the attorney general has recused himself and his office staff from further involvement in this matter. By that act, I automatically become the acting attorney general for purposes of this case with authority to determine how the case is investigated, and if warranted by the evidence, prosecuted."

Deputy Attorney General, James Comey

Question is, with Ashcroft replaced by Gonzales, does James Comey remain Fitzgerald's supervisor, or is that changed? Has Gonzales become the one to decide whether or not to prosecute any indictment brought forth?

Also, Fitzgerald has been quoted as saying that the scope has extended beyond the original "alleged leak of CIA agent" --- so, question becomes, what is now the scope of the investigation?

That just touches the surface of the questions. Our press is very lazy, and not inclined to get to the machinations of an investigation which might bring down the fascists' house of cards... imho

The Voice of the White House July 18, 2005

TBR News.org – July 18, 2005

“Here I am, sticking a sharp pencil into the ear of our God-Given Protectors! I am referring to the little bit I sent out on the computer hacking in your last issue. Roars of fury from various sources, some of which penetrated into the Fag Palace here and which I have gleefully been listening to. Well, there will be official silence, for the time being, on this but I stumbled onto an interesting study, which I will have sent on to selected members of Congress and the sterling mainline media of the United States. In short, what I said last time about interdiction, invasion and clandestine looting of the websites of foreign governments and banks has been going on for some time. There is an ongoing struggle, at very high levels, between the newly cleansed DHS [National Cyber Security Division (NCSD)] and the ultra secret NSA over such break-ins.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=3362

It's beginning to look like Ashcroft appointed Fitz for revenge.

Beverly, I'm from Illinois, a direct witness to what Fitzgerald is capable of. George Ryan WILL be going to prison (unless he dies first), Fitzgerald's still not done. Tenacious is his middle name. Here is the latest on what he's going for on the Plame matter: http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=6711

This is great fun!! Sent to me by Gaia email.

Harry Potter and the Astrologer's Chart
By Neil Spencer

Neil Spencer investigates the links between star-craft, the famous young wizard, and his creator J. K. Rowling.

Astrology has a new ally, none less than the world's most celebrated teenager, Harry Potter. Not that Harry and his two school pals, Ron and Hermione, much care for star craft - in fact, they find their astrology homework among their more tedious chores at Hogwarts' school of Wizardry but they and their creator, J.K. Rowling, are ensuring that a new generation of readers is exposed to the notion that the planets have something to tell us. Or as Harry's dotty Divination teacher, Professor Trelawny, insists: "Human destiny may be deciphered by the planetary rays..."

Joanna Rowling is now Britain's most successful author. Her four Harry Potter hooks (with three more to come) have already sold several million copies, been translated into 24 languages, and last year made Rowling the highest earning woman in the country, with an income in excess of £20 million. With the film rights to the first two books acquired by Warners, production of the first Harry movie is under way, and the dies for a line of Hogwarts toys and merchandise are being cast. Harry is, in short, a phenomenon of the age. ...

http://www.astrologer.com/aanet/pub/journal/harrypotter.htm

Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Oakland, will host a town hall meeting from 11 a.m. to 12:30 p.m. Saturday at the Grand Lake Theatre, 3200 Grand Lake Ave. in Oakland. Eight other lawmakers from New York to Michigan to New Mexico to California will hold district meetings this weekend as well.

Lee will be joined by Berkeley’s Daniel Ellsberg, a former government worker famed for leaking the "Pentagon Papers" on U.S. decision-making in Vietnam in 1971; Steve Cobble, an activist and co-founder of afterdowningstreet.org; Bill Mitchell of Atascadero, a Gold Star Families for Peace co-founder whose son, U.S. Army Sgt. Michael Mitchell, 25, was killed in Baghdad; and Iraq Veterans Against the War members.

Lee intends to introduce a resolution of inquiry this week calling on the Bush administration to release all materials related to its meetings with British officials before the congressional vote authorizing use of force in Iraq.

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=7099

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Need I remind all that it is members of the Black Caucus that have stood against these fascists since December 2000... it is members of the Black that continue month after month, event after event, to prevail... to demand accountability.

Where the hey are those white boyz? and girls?

This, too....

When Destiny Calls - Saturn in Leo Ignites a Generation

Breaking News!

We interrupt your life to bring you an important announcement! If you are between the ages of 48 and 67, the sky gods are poised to make you an offer you can't refuse. And for the rest of you—a new, if somewhat less onerous challenge awaits.

On July 16, 2005, at 8:30 am EDT (5:30 am PDT) the planet Saturn departed its residence in the zodiacal sign of Cancer the crab and entered the fiery sign of Leo the lion. Saturn's placement influences attitudes and priorities, both personally and collectively. To appreciate its impact, just reflect on prominent issues during the last two years, while Saturn was transiting Cancer (June 2003-July 2005). Cancer is the guardian of home and family and many of us witnessed dramatic changes in our family structures. On the homefront, low interest rates fueled a massive housing bubble. Emotional stress reached critical proportions, along with a corresponding spike in clinical depression. Above all, security concerns (as in homeland) were tantamount and played out in the political arena. Fear mongering (what color is your alert?) and family values (Cancer-ruled traditional ones) dominated election rhetoric and were largely responsible for the re-instatement of the Bush presidency.

Coming Out

While during Saturn's transit through watery Cancer, many of us tried to hide inside our shells (and seal them with duct tape), with the energy shifting into fiery Leo, get ready to roar. New priorities will emerge and old ones will fade. Fear tactics will no longer inspire. The focus will be on personal fulfillment. Leo's top priorities are self-expression and leadership. Leo is Big and “out there,” the king of beasts, so expect a display of Leo energy in spades—the good, the bad and the ugly. In the political arena, the crisis in leadership will surely escalate. A growing inequity of wealth and privilege amid increasing poverty and a shrinking middle class is in the offing. Government funding for the arts may further shrivel as military adventurism taxes budgets. Eventually, however, with enough consciousness raising, public opinion and outrage should begin to shift the paradigm. ...

http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0006419.HTM

If you share the opinion of some that the latest whitebread offering by the shrub, namely John Roberts, Jr., whose seat has barely warmed a bench, is not as bad as it could have been, let me bring you this oldie but goodie as a reminder that the fascists make NO so-so appointments - they're all the bottom of the barrel...

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"...On pages 5-7, Waxman reveals that John Bolton promulgated the Niger-Uranium fiction at the State Department despite rejection of this claim by State Department and CIA intelligence analysts.

Waxman then argues that not only did Bolton and his people then try and conceal Bolton's role in pushing the Niger-Uranium agenda by marking the material "sensitive but unclassified" and blocking it in case of a Freedom of Information Act request, the State Department actually LIED TO CONGRESS about John Bolton's role."

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/000370.html

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Not into nostalgia? here's a current event you may or may not be aware of...

"...Bush's nominee to serve as the director of the National Counterterrorism Center. The NCTC will be a new agency, "responsible for analyzing intelligence on terrorism and for the strategic planning of counterterrorism operations. The NCTC will report partly to the President and partly to John Negroponte, the new director of National Intelligence.

Bush's choice is Vice Admiral John Scott Redd. Redd, in his role as deputy administrator and chief operating officer of the Coalition Provisional Authority, was responsible for overseeing two spectatular failures in Iraq. He lost 9 billion dollars while doling out reconstruction contracts and he failed miserably in his job of "training and deployment of Iraq's security programs."

And if graft and incompetence were not enough to qualify Redd for a promotion, he also may have been involved in corrupting the Iraqi election results.

His confirmation hearing is tomorrow. The outrage never ends."

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2005/7/20/17365/5613

As for the comment upthread that suggests the Supremes can do no real harm:

1) they selected the resident of the oval office in 2000;

2) with Bush's new appointee(s), they may overturn an indictment or impeachment of the resident... [The Senate shall have the sole power to try all impeachments. When sitting for that purpose, they shall be on oath or affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the concurrence of two thirds of the members present.] --- can you picture Gonzales presiding over the Senate's trial of Bush?

3)In addition to being present in the behind the scenes activities in Florida in 2000, Roberts so far has been revealed to be in favor of: "Strip mining, mountain killing, womb controlling, child arresting, war profiteering. Roberts was also the attorney for Fox Television when it successfully thwarted government regulations against media saturation by a single conglomerate.

So, sit back and relax while John Roberts Jr. provides a smokescreen for Rove and a security blanket for Bush... nothing to see here, just move along...

Tseka,

You commented about WHIG (White House Iraq Group) upthread. I posted about Rove and WHIG last thread --- but it has disappeared, hacked I believe. Anyway, Crisis Papers has their new pieces up today, and one deals with a full discussion of WHIG... I particularly like the last paragraph, and Beverly, it may answer a question or two we were alluding to earlier today (remember Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre?)

WOUNDED, CORNERED ANIMALS ARE DANGEROUS

If and when the above scenarios start to unfold, it's not outside the realm of possibility that Rove would get desperate enough to try to question the motives and character of the Special Counsel himself, as BuzzFlash puts it, "to try to sink the investigation through an ad hominem attack. This is Rove's pathological gutter tactic. He doesn't know how NOT to use it when backed into a corner." Or Rove/Bush conceivably could do a Nixon and order Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to fire Fitzgerald.

Anything is possible as the Bush Administration paints itself further into the scandal corner, and, desperate to avoid criminal proceedings and/or impeachment, lashes out at its perceived enemies.

Stay tuned. The fun is just beginning."

http://crisispapers.org/essays-w/horrors.htm

Roberts' Conservatism May Get Quick Test
AP - Wed Jul 20, 5:16 PM ET
WASHINGTON - It will not take long to determine if John Roberts will shift the Supreme Court to the right. Abortion, gay rights and assisted suicide are among the first issues the court will consider in the fall. Roberts was chosen by President Bush to replace Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, a swing voter who angered conservatives by supporting abortion rights and affirmative action in college admissions.

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/us/supreme_court

If Roberts is appointed, how will he vote? It doesn't look good....

What will this country become if the other 3 old farts decide to retire or die while Smirky the Chimp is in office?

Mary Plumb used to have a fantastic message board at Mountain Astrologer. How I found AW. The message board met it's demise when it was trolled by a few wackos and one was named John Roberts.
This nomination will always remind me of the RW nut who would taunt bloggers and start fights.

I wonder when the @$$^^ really hits the fan for * if Renquist will decide to retire at the same time?

Just thought I would drop by and mention that James Doohan of Star Trek fame passed away today. He and his character "Scotty" brought light and humor into the TV universe. He will be missed.

On a more political note, I thought I should mention that I will be attending the Young Democrats of America convention in San Francisco in a few weeks. Should be fun. I'll be networking with the future leaders of the Democratic party (or whatever is left of it by the time I grow up).

Peace folks!

M,
I didn't find a switchword for forgiveness exactly.
What is the forgiveness for or about?
If it's about feuding or grudge-keeping use REVERSE.
If the situation deals with your wanting revenge use OFF.
Feeling disagreeable and contradictatory try the word SMILE.
Anger on your part needs CLEAR.
Looking for a fight - SHUT.
To turn off Fear of Ridicule - BE
To destroy remorse - TOMORROW
I put up a list 5 threads back near the bottom.
http://www.astroworld.us/archives/000509.html#000509

Thank you so very much Jill G., I truly appreciate your kindness regarding this.

Dave, how we've missed you! If you bump into Timothy, tell him we've missed him, too. And where in the world is Pat C?

Please read today's leading story on the FRONT PAGE of Thursday's Washington Post re how the State Dept. memo mentioning Plame's name was clearly marked "S" for secret, meaning anyone who divulged info contained within the file faces a ten year jail sentence. Perhaps this is finally the smoking gun??!!

Grizz, currently americablog.com has that story posted and somebody also posted it on DU. I can't imagine what they'll do over the next few days to divert our attention. Actually, I don't want to even try to imagine it.

Update to Grizz: Kos and buzzflash have it posted now, too. It's out!!!

Here are the approx. planetary positions on 12/30/03, the day Fitz was appointed. Note that Uranus is conj. the U.S.'s moon (right?). Freedom for the people of the nation? Breaking away? Surprises?

SUN MOON MERCURY VENUS MARS JUPITER SATURN URANUS NEPTUNE PLUTO NODE

07CP51 03AR03 00CP57 10AQ45 07AR57 18VI52 09CN55 29AQ59 11AQ37 20SG25 17TA48

The Uranus at 29 degrees 59 minutes in most interesting, indeed.

I remember that Teresa Kerry has a prominent placement (her own moon?) on the U.S. moon and John Kerry's Jupiter opposes it. I thought it would mean that the people would love them and resonate with them. I still think they are good for the country.

I can't believe it Sharon. That you just said this. I couldn't agree more.
Kerry is leading an opposition to this administration right now in the Senate, getting a lot of legislation through to help the small businesspeople, women, and all of the common people... the fishermen in New England, the farmers, women starting businesses, etc. Low cost loans, tax braks, things like that that are so important. People will see this later when they need it.

They have so many contacts with the US chart, most notably Kerry's North Node/Pluto conjunction on our NN in Leo. I am watching this closely, as I always believed he would re-emerge big time, as Saturn crosses these points. When Saturn trines Pluto it will be almost exactly on Kerry's Jupiter in Leo. His Sagittarius/Gemini opposition also is in synch. The Leo contacts, I believe are behind the love he inspires. He drew the biggest crowds in political history.

When Kerry conceded he did what he knew was right. As a longtime prosecutor he knew that proving election fraud was impossible then and if it happened it would take a long, long time. The only other option was a recount, and he was telling us the truth when he said that they had looked at the stats and realized that it wouldn't bring him victory. So instead of prolonging the agony and tying up the government in a useless pursuit, he conceded. The only thing he could do. He did not betray us in any way at all. In fact, I'm sure he feels that he owes us and will do everything he can to deliver.
This also positioned him to do what he is going to do next. To keep his power intact. He's a smart man. And he's the best leadership option at the moment.

We shall see.

Another factor relates to the article Peg posted earlier from Antiwar.com about the Iran Contra connection to Rovegate. Kerry has been quiet lately and I'm thinking he might be involved in this since no one knows this game better than he does.

It occurred to me again that with the relentless military base closings everywhere but the chickenfried south, where they're being militarily built up... that the neocons expect to use the south as their "base" (duh), from which to operate, while at the same time, turning the rest of the "defenseless" country into a "3rd world" status. The USian 3rd world shall support this set-up, of course, with their taxed greatly reduced monies & peon labor.

Interesting piece on dynamics between House of Bush and House of Saud --- with links

Bandar Retires, a New Spook Arrives
by BooMan
Wed Jul 20th, 2005 at 08:43:24 PM EDT

It's the end of an era as Prince Bandar-Bush has resigned his post as U.S. Ambassador. His replacement, Prince Turki, has an interesting perpective on the war in Iraq.

~snip~

Speaking of which, wouldn't you like a peek inside these briefcases? http://www.sullivan-county.com/bush/saudi_prince.htm

A few months after September 11th, Bandar went to Aspen, where he has a thirty-two-room mansion. A major part of his success, one foreign leader told me, was that Bandar could be trusted to convey King Fahd's private views when they differed from his public statements. Bandar had gone to Aspen to relax, but also to do a little housecleaning in a place that has fewer diversions than Washington. He had brought with him sixteen of thirty or so locked attache cases that he keeps in McLean. They contain evidence of the covert operations and secret agreements that Bandar coordinated at the behest of King Fahd and the United States, mostly during the Reagan era - such as records of a Swiss bank account that Bandar had personally set up for the Nicaraguan Contras.

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2005/7/20/201920/779

http://www.billmon.org/

http://billmon.org/archives/002039.html
The Liberal Disease

http://billmon.org/archives/002040.html
Defining Mr. Roberts

http://billmon.org/archives/002041.html
Think Like Michael (Corleone)

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Democracy was only an afterthought
The situation in Afghanistan is one of barely managed chaos

Sidney Blumenthal
Thursday July 21, 2005

Guardian

On the day of the London bombings, President Bush proclaimed: "The war on terror goes on." Through the 2004 campaign, his winning theme was terror. He achieved the logic of a unified field theory connecting Iraq to Afghanistan by threading terror through both, despite the absence of evidence. He insisted that if we didn't fight the terrorists there, we would be fighting them at home. In January, the CIA's thinktank, the National Intelligence Council, issued a report describing Iraq as the magnet and training and recruiting ground for terrorism. The false rationale for the invasion had become a self-fulfilling prophecy. With his popularity flagging, Bush returned to the formulations that succeeded in his campaign.
In Bush's "global war on terror" (Gwot), Iraq and Afghanistan present one extended battlefield against a common enemy - and the strategy is and must be the same. So far as Bush is concerned, it's always either the day after 9/11 or the day before the Iraq invasion. Time stands still at two ideal political moments. But his consequences since are barely managed chaos.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5243844-108920,00.html

Explosives Used in London Bombings 'originated in the Balkans'
by Oui
Thu Jul 21st, 2005 at 03:40:34 AM EDT

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~ Cross-posted from BooMan Tribune ~

Explosives used in London bombings 'originated in the Balkans'

Dublin July 14, 2005 (Irish Examiner) -- THE BALKANS were last night being named as the possible source of the explosive material used in the London bombings.

French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy told the emergency meeting of EU justice ministers in Brussels, that there was strong suspicion the explosives used in the bombings came from the Balkans or Eastern Europe, where it is possible to buy the material on the black market after the Balkan wars.

However, British Home Secretary Charles Clarke said he was bewildered by the comments.

http://www.eurotrib.com/user/Oui/diary

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Soj's 5-part series

http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2005/7/8/4543/86667

http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2005/7/8/41715/46066

http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2005/7/18/4257/55681

http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2005/7/19/31656/1752

http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2005/7/20/162655/629

But it just seems essential to me that everyone understands that this is (to paraphrase Horowitz) war by other means -- not a civics lesson.

from billmon....truer words were never spoken...thanks Pat C for all those links...

Next, on to prince bandar...thanks Jo

Found this on DU

Congress plans to scrutinize Plame-related issues

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/bush/arti... /

Notice the spooky last paragraph, snipped below: Republican Senator Pat Roberts is gonna INVESTIGATE FITZGERALD.

(For the sheer self-serving hypocrisy of this GOP move, see TPM at http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2005_07_...

Congress plans to scrutinize Plame-related issues
By David Morgan | July 25, 2005

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Congress will conduct a series of hearings on national security and espionage issues raised by the CIA-leak controversy surrounding senior Bush adviser Karl Rove, officials said on Monday.

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The chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence could hold hearings on the use of espionage cover soon after the U.S. Congress returns from its August recess, said Roberts spokeswoman Sarah Little. Little said the Senate committee would also review the probe of special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, who has been investigating the Plame case for nearly two years.

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