ABC news had a segment (Sunday night) on the Rove/Cooper Newsweek article. I guess it's official. ABC never did any creative investigating in it's life. So if they are talking about it, they must feel safe they are on terra firma.

Kiwijeanie, the National Security Act chart has 19Libra20 rising rising (placidus houses), with Neptune in the 12th house at 8Lbr23 (hidden and shady deals) I'll get more into it for you when I have more time, but what intrigues me is that the chart has 22Cancer13 MC (ah, the motherland and security), and shortly after that: Sun,2Leo50, Saturn 11Leo09 and Pluto 12Leo40. That's what I call walk softly and carry a huge, big "who's the boss" stick. Also shows me there would be a terrific fight over who will be boss. Naturally, Sun, Saturn and Pluto are sextile the Neptune in the 12th.

Even more chilling: Mars in the 8th house at 17Gemini48 (not far from the US natal Mars by degree)is making a 150 degree aspect to Jupiter/Moon conj. in the 2nd at 17Scrp52 and 22Scrp49. Earning your living by stealth, valuing secrets about god knows what, probing, wiretapping, working through coorporations, digging, doing business with the ... Mafia?! There are some other interesting configurations, but those were the first which grabbed me. I need to read a history of the period to lay in some layers. Still I think that some sh#t will hit the fan even more dramatically now that Saturn is almost finished crossing the charts 9th house and MC. Saturn will be galloping over the chart's Sun, Saturn and Pluto in the 10th and by 2006 it will be squaring that Jupiter/Moon in Scorpio in the 2nd.
Thanks for the lead. I find this interesting. Will also try to compare it to Patriot Act, if I get some time.

Ohhhhhh?

Now the US and Britain suddenly have withdrawal from Iraq plans?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050711/ap_on_re_eu/britain_iraq

Well, how convenient, bLIAR says there will be no inquiry into the London bombings.....there was no investigation of the 9/11 debris either, was there?

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,15889534%5E1702,00.html

There is some interesting stuff here today.

http://www.watchingamerica.com/

Excerpt from Eric Francis' weekly e-mail re: London bombings (if you want the whole thing please e-mail me).

Let's take it from the beginning. We are dealing with a chart involving a secret enemy. This is 12th house territory. The secret enemy is represented by the ruler of the 12th house, and the Identikit for the prime suspect is a description of the 12th ruler.

Cancer is on the cusp of the 12th. Thus the Moon, ruler of the 12th and Cancer, represents the secret enemy. The Moon is in Cancer, in her own sign. She is at home. And we know where to find her. The Moon is located in the 11th house -- right in public at the time of the event. The Moon's nature in this chart is motherly.

She is a domestic public figure, hiding in plain sight.

Is she really female? Maybe, maybe not, but she's going to resemble Mother Hen in some way, allegedly taking care of her brood.

The late Leo ascendant (see left side of chart, horizontal line) shows a well-developed situation; this event is not the result of something new. It would appear, based on that ascendant (which is just about to exceed when the chart is really useful, at about 27+ degrees, so we're right on the edge) that we're at the beginning of the end of something.
...

The Sun is the ruler of the ascendant and is thus the ruler of the question itself. We know part of the question: whodunit? But there would seem to be more. Let's be on the lookout for another question. This is the great big Sun we're talking about, after all, the source of all energy and light. What kind of question does the Sun look like? Hmm. The Sun is always the significator for the King. The question involves the King: the big leader or leaders. He is in Cancer -- we also find him at home.

I say leaders because the Sun is in the 11th house -- the house of groups and associations; the house of allegiances.

At the time of the bombing, the Kings were all having a committee meeting. Where? At home, in the United Kingdom, in Scotland. So the question involves the King, who was at a meeting of his colleagues and allies, at home.

The Sun, located at 15+ Cancer, is square Mars at 17+ Aries, as well as square the lunar nodes.

Mars, on one level represents a foreigner, because he both rules and occupies the 9th house. And he looks like a combatant. He is in the 9th house, a foreigner. Mars on the end of the lunar nodes looks like a warhead. He looks like a foreign enemy. But is he really an enemy?

The 9th house is the house of religion, foreigners, and ideologies. It is very rarely associated with actual enemies, unless the planet involved rules one of the houses that deals with the subject of enemies: 7th (open enemies) or 12th (hidden enemies).

The Sun is applying to that Mars. The square has not happened yet. Something else is going to happen, and Sun square Mars is intense and potentially violent. We have the feeling of something "about to go off" in the chart for something that has already gone off.

Mars, notably, is exactly occupying the degree of the April 8, 2005 solar eclipse. A planet occupying the degree of an eclipse has a problem on its hands. And the Sun (the question or the King) is about to square that degree, and fall into the same trap. ...

We have one last 12th house matter to look at. There is a planet on the cusp of the 12th, and a big one -- Saturn. Saturn is the planet that we can always say rules the government. Then we can look at the houses where Capricorn and Aquarius (Saturn's signs) are and get more information. That proves instructive in this chart. Capricorn is on the 6th house cusp (bureaucrats), and Aquarius is on the 7th house (open enemies).

So Saturn, the government, also gets listed as an open enemy. Saturn's position exactly on the cusp of the house of secrets is very strange, and I think it's the dead giveaway of this chart. It's as if Saturn is standing there guarding a lot of secrets. We've seen enough of those secrets leak in recent weeks (think: Downing Street Memo) to know what else might be in there.

Note what is placed inside the 12th house proper, representing an aspect of the secret of the 12th: Mercury conjunct Venus in Leo. That looks like a lot of money, or like money is a hidden issue. Mercury rules Gemini and Virgo and is thus the ruler of the 2nd house (money, wealth, cash) and also the 11th house (the resources of government); and Venus is the ruler of the 10th house (government). A lot of secret government financial interests.

Or we have an indication that the hidden issue is "worth a lot," whether financially or politically. Note that Venus and Mercury, representing the secrets or the money, are in Leo; note that the Sun, which rules Leo and represents the question or the King, squares Mars, the alleged foreign combatant who is really some kind of domestic figure. They are all connected. It's not such a friendly connection and it ain't getting friendlier -- but the connections are all there.

While this may look like a battle for ideology and politics, really it's a war about money. Gee, this is starting to look like that exciting new movie, Fahrenheit 7/7.

Let's sum up. The secret enemy looks wholesome, like Betty Crocker or June Cleaver -- really, really swell. The government is guarding a lot of secrets and a shit-ton of money, or secrets about money or all of the above. The foreign alleged enemy combatant really is a domestic figure of some kind. But he has some kind of secret role. And the central question of this chart involves the King, who was at home at the time of the attacks, meeting with his allies in a group.

This chart points to three imminent developments: Moon conjunct Saturn; Sun square Mars; and Saturn going into Leo, about to oppose Chiron.

This is very much a developing story, and it develops over the next two months. We don't know what will happen, but for sure, there's trouble up there in Bureaucrat Hog Heaven. What happens next is always a good clue to what you just missed. But remember, you know, don't look at the guy behind the curtain.

Laurie, very interesting commentary and reinforces my gut feeling that this was an "Inside" job. I also think this will backfire on Bush/Blair.

Eric Francis has a fascinating look at the London bombings in his weekly e-mail. I tried to post an excerpt here but I got the 500-error and decided not to try again, and also it is too long to post.

Please e-mail me if you would like a copy.

Oh forget it! It did post!! Geeeeez.

Yes, Teresa, home-grown. Very frightening.

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Issue #78; July, 2005

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Dear friends,

July brings another Mercury retrograde (What? So soon, you ask?
Didn't we just finish one? Well, yes, about three months ago). This
time, Mercury appears to back up through the middle of the sign Leo.

The two-week setup phase began on July 4th, with the actual three-
week retrograde kicking in from July 23rd to August 16th. So prepare
for slowdowns and reversals, especially in the area of creative self-
expression. Examine your personal mythology for cracks, self-
deceptions, or outmoded roles.

For the next six weeks, humility should work better than bravado for
most of us. This may be an especially propitious time to surrender
ego, vanity, and pride.

--Bill Herbst



COLLECTIVE VERSUS PERSONAL ASTROLOGY

Not a month has gone by over the past three decades of my career
as an astrologer without someone asking me, "Bill, what's going on in
the heavens?" Usually, the person asking has a vaguely collective
orientation. The implication (and the hope in asking) is that, as an
astrologer, I have my finger on the pulse of the heavens at all times
and will instantly know the meanings that are affecting us all (which
is not true, of course; I hardly ever know the general shape of the
heavens or where certain planets are, but more about that later…).

More often, however, the questioner is really asking about his or her
individual reality. "What's going on in the heavens?" might translate
as: "Something's happening in my life that I don't understand, and I
want to know what's causing it." Often there's a social acceptability
issue: "Are other people feeling this too, or am I just weird?" Or it
might be a reality check: "Am I making this up, or is it real?" The
point is that very few people care what's going on in the heavens
unless it relates directly to their own personal lives.

In the search for meaning through correspondence---"as above, so
below"---astrology moves in two divergent but connected
perspectives of meaning: the collective or the individual. One way
that astrology deciphers meaning concerns patterns of experience
that are shared commonly by everyone, while the other dimension
focuses on the meanings of personal experiences that are custom-
tailored to the lives of particular individuals.

These two modes are not mutually exclusive. Our individual
experience is affected and to some extent shaped by the collective
assumptions and attitudes of the families, communities, and cultures
in which we live. Conversely, our collective experience is composed in
part by the cumulative statistical assemblage of many individuals.
Like a soup or colloidal stew, mass consciousness is flavored by the
particulate elements that exist within. So the collective morphs into
the individual and back again in an endless, spiraling dance.

An example of the collective dimension of astrology, one that the
majority of the population tunes into, is the monthly soli-lunar cycle
from new moon through first quarter to full and last quarter. Of the
four transitions, people are generally most aware of the full moon, if
only because that phase is visually spectacular.

Another collective manifestation occurs in seasonal change. The
equinoxes and solstices mark passages from one season to the next,
and these events are relevant to nearly everyone on the planet. Even
in mild or tropical climates, winter feels different than summer.

Many astrologers write about the specific meanings implied for
monthly soli-lunar cycles (especially eclipses) and quarterly seasonal
changes. Such forecasts are necessarily collective, since they apply to
all of us together. Some of us send out "alerts"---reminders about
astrological events of collective relevance. Typical examples include
the aforementioned eclipses, Mercury retrogrades, or Moon Voids. I
did so myself in the forward to this commentary.

Nearly every major astrological magazine publishes general forecasts.
For instance, The Mountain Astrologer---for which I am an Associate
Editor and contributing author---devotes nearly ten pages in every
issue to an astrological forecast of the upcoming month. In TMA,
these take the form of a day-by-day analysis of planetary ebb and
flow, with information about the nature of the changes and how
particular days may be useful or not for a given purpose.

Far and away the most common method of writing about collective
astrology occurs in daily or monthly Sun sign columns. In their most
classic form, such articles start with a general forecast applicable to
everyone, then follow with a breakdown of the twelve zodiacal
archetypes by birth sign or ascendant. Since each Sun sign includes
more than half a billion people, the specificity of the information is
necessarily limited to a poetic or psychological tone.

On the other side of the scale is the realm of personal astrology,
which addresses the reality of a particular human being---through a
birth chart and the many moving cycles that activate in that chart
over time. Although most astrologers study the charts of individuals,
only a tiny percentage of all the astrologers in the world actually
make their livings doing "readings" or "sessions" with a private
clientele. I've been in that club for the past 32 years.

Between these two perspectives---the collective and the individual---I
am much more comfortable with the personal form of astrology.
Although our collective life (as a nation, and as a species on this
planet) is a subject of considerable interest to me, I don't write any
day-to-day or monthly forecasts for the general public, and I am
extremely unlikely to ever write a Sun-sign column.

On rare occasions, something from the realm of collective astrology
grabs my attention, and I do write about those. Back in the summer
of 2002, I was keenly aware of the stunningly unusual Sun-Mars-
Uranus configuration, to the point of literal upset. I could feel the
shift in the collective vibration. That experience alone provided me
with enough material to write numerous articles and newsletters in
the run-up to the Iraq war.

I can also feel the coming Pluto passage into Capricorn in 2008, as
well as the first-quarter Pluto-Uranus square in 2012-2014 that will
push forward the radical energies of the middle 1960s in extremely
dramatic ways. I intend to write at some length about those changes
as they approach.

Mostly, however, I don't write the kind of general forecasts many
people expect from astrologers. I try from time to time, but I'm
usually disappointed with the results. Apparently I can't write about
levels of astrology that don't move me personally.

I got into astrology because I was deeply interested in my own inner
reality and the inner realities of others. Under the facade of
normalcy---the bell curves and standard deviations of mammalian
herd instinct---nearly seven billion very separate and unique human
worlds are percolating. The existence of all these invisible worlds,
which appear so similar but are in fact vastly different, is extremely
compelling to me.

Astrology unlocked the doorways into individual realities better than
any other system I found. Within weeks after drawing up my first
charts back in 1970, I began doing astrological sessions with friends.
Three years later, quite to my surprise, I had a modest career as a
counseling astrologer. That has been the center of my life ever since.

Natal charts and transits reveal with amazing insight the invisible
biopsychic machinery that runs inside each of us. That machinery
produces our initial consciousness (whether we're bacteria, trees,
dogs, whales, or human beings). At many points in our lives, we are
merely the machine running, with precious little awareness of
ourselves beyond animal levels of survival, social coexistence, and
coping with the demands of immediate needs, desires, and duties.
Then, at other moments, consciousness hits critical mass. The
machinery is still humming along, driving us, but suddenly we are
awake, aware of our existence separate from machine itself. When
that occurs often enough over time, the cumulative power of self-
awareness can allow us to change the hard-wiring of our machines'
basic circuitry in ways that allow us to rebalance and heal ourselves.

Only when we separate our consciousness from our machinery,
however, do we begin to have the chance to become spiritually
mature and responsible for our lives. Much of the time we're not
even aware that our inner machinery exists, much less that we're
operating automatically rather than from consciousness. So making
the machinery visible is a critical step.

If your car breaks down on the highway, you don't get out, open the
hood, and begin randomly pulling out wires. If you don't understand
how the engine is designed, your chances of fixing it are nil. In the
same fashion, momentary self-awareness is of very little use in
healing our lives. Individual consciousness needs a lot of time to
understand the underlying machinery that produced it, and only after
long and patient self-observation can we become qualified as
"mechanics of the psyche." Personal astrology can be an invaluable
tool in that process.

11,000 sessions with clients have taught me that many of the difficult
issues that beset us as individuals are connected to paradoxes built
into the wiring of our machinery. The personal problems that result
come and go and come again, but they are not usually overcome by
simply hammering away at them. That's the metaphorical equivalent
of getting caught and shredded in the gears of the machine. As Carl
Jung noted, we don't solve most of our problems, we outgrow them.

Astrology (and my clients) have helped me to see that problems are
often like messengers, manifesting in our worlds to ask us to
remember who we are, to clarify or redefine why we're here, and to
stop smashing our heads against walls that either do not give way or
morph into new and more vexing difficulties even after the original
symptoms appear to have been resolved.

That's why I focus on individual life-purpose, because of the sublime
and graceful power of self-awareness to lift us out of the sucking
quicksand of day-to-day illusion. Too often, the regular world is a
dreadful place of endless repetition and banal suffering, much of
which remains unexpressed, as if kept private by a conspiracy of
silence. That world is not going away. It's Maya, it's the Matrix, it's
the Wheel of Sang Sara or whatever we wish to call it, but it's where
many of us spend so much of our precious time, like prisoners in the
gulag. Even the most mature and joyous spirits among us are well
aware of the toxic waters in which humanity swims.

We can, however, shine into that shadow world the light of who we
truly are, cutting through the fog with the warming radiance of heart
and soul. Finally, that loving presence is all we really have---all we
ever will have, probably---but thankfully it is more than enough to
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News on radio just now- the many dead birds that have been found in GB have been found to carry bird flue. Apparently migrating birds are bringing deadly flu virus into Great Britain..

Thanks PatC for the link -

This story seems to show that the Bush attitude
toward Muslims runs in the family...

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/print/2005/750/eg8.htm

You're welcome wv. Getting past the domestic press to see what is actully happening in our own country and the world is the most important thing we can do, I think.

Pat C here is an article from journal of general virology if you are interested in seeing how birds especially ducks act as vectors of influenza. The article tracks back to 1957 pandemic.
http://vir.sgmjournals.org/cgi/content/full/80/12/3167

The post re bird flu was from me
tseka

Thank you tseka. Shiver.

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“Is Karl Rove Screwed, or Not?”
A week ago, what Karl Rove may have done to expose the identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame was just another gone-nowhere, 2-year-old, dusty Bush scandal on the shelf, relegated to languish among the lies that got us into the war in Iraq and the doctored FDA reports that suppressed the risks of Big Pharma's moneymakers.
Today, What Karl Rove Said is the story. And there's every indication that for the first time, he is in deep shit. That's really what everyone wants to confirm: Is Karl Rove screwed, or not? And luckily for us, for the first time he's going to have to answer some questions on terms other than his.
More…
http://www.alternet.org/story/23451/

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Bob Herbert makes some good points in his regular NYT column: It Just Gets Worse

Back in March 2004 President Bush had a great time displaying what he felt was a hilarious set of photos showing him searching the Oval Office for the weapons of mass destruction that hadn't been found in Iraq. It was a spoof he performed at the annual dinner of the Radio and Television Correspondents' Association.
(snip)
If there's something funny about Mr. Bush's misbegotten war, I've yet to see it. The president deliberately led Americans traumatized by the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, into the false belief that there was a link between Iraq and Al Qaeda, and that a pre-emptive invasion would make the United States less vulnerable to terrorism.
(snip)
Last week's terror bombings in London should be seen as a reminder not just that Mr. Bush's war was a hideous diversion of focus and resources from the essential battle against terror, but that it has actually increased the danger of terrorist attacks against the U.S. and its allies.
More…

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/11/opinion/11herbert.html?

Not to raise alarms but to raise awareness, we had a huge dove die off here last year to the point where we sterized ground and bird feeders, waterdishes they died of upper resiratory infection, the naturalists would only say it was strep ...beginning in November 2004 cases of severe infulenza began surfacing. For those of us who suffered it was the worst illness we can remember. Homeopathy worked very well. Those who chose allopathy and were very ill were hopitalized with pneumonia all of us took about 6 weeks to recover. In skilled nursing facilities the virus would hit and the compromised elders would spike huge fevers and pass away in a matter of hours. At the peak we lost about 15-20% of the alzhiemers population in a few days.

The early symptoms felt more like allergy than a type A flu which usually comes on like a freight train. My son and i did a lot of research and are convinced that we were experiencing a type of avian flu. I think there will be pockets of influenza A and of the H2 subtype that we experienced in 1957.

tseka, what were the homeopathic remedies you used?

We had a huge crow die-off last year. Some wonderful wise birds are gone. It pains me.

Pat C as you know homeopathy is based on finding the similimun that is a remedy is matched to the individual and their symptoms. However in epidemics the disease itself is so pervasive that one remedy does seem to stand out. Last year the course was very unusual in that what broke the case was carcinosinum the nosode of cancer...this was very curious to me and quite shocking. As you can imagine i didn't get there right away. The nosode broke through and phosphorus in low potency followed effectively. Once found this set of remedies shortened the duration of all the cases. Still fatigue persisted for weeks. I can't speculate as to what may work in future as you know viruses mutate quicky and their symptom pictures change demanding a different set of medicines. Never the less i'm keeping this experience well in mind.

By the way crows are definately a bird we watch for die off and the asian flu pandemics. Has anyone given an explanation for their deaths?
I agree with your assessment of crows all corvidians are of my heart.

Yes, I do know, but that is such valuable information. Thanks tseka.

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http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/071105Y.shtml

The Best of Us

Because we don't know when we will die, we get to think of life as an inexhaustible well. Yet everything happens a certain number of times, and a very small number, really. How many more times will you remember a certain afternoon of your childhood, some afternoon that's so deeply a part of your being that you can't even conceive of your life without it? Perhaps four or five times more. Perhaps not even that. How many more times will you watch the full moon rise? Perhaps twenty. And yet it all seems limitless.
-- Words inscribed on the gravestone of Brandon Lee

tseka, they said it was mosquitos.

Pat C, mosquitos? doesn't that sound like west nile virus??? Here is where we really see how our misspent dollars are going to get us. Our public health system is broken. Yesterday Jo posted an article at starpathvisions.com/PrintablePatriot.html
(excellent Jo!) and one of the parts that really struck me was CHEAP how cheap we are, how we have cheapened our lives, going for cheap stuff and bunches of it instead of one quality item -now greed has a price. We have to ask ourselves what quality of life we want here in this country, on this planet.

tseka, yup, they were calling it west nile.

I had a really full day yesterday, and sort of posted between "stuff" going on. I'll go back a catch up on so many good posts I missed.

Definately, Pat C,
They came to dig my new sewer today.........major plutonian destruction! ( with Saturn conj.) AND eclipse point on my venus!!!!!! They came of course just as I was helping Eric out to the car that was to take him back to Bangor, & dumped 4' of garden topsoil to "save it" on top my ripening strawberries! ( hidden in the tall grass as I've been too busy to clear around!
On the other hand maybe I doen't need to worry about a garden this year. My friends are being very generous! SO I'M GOING TO MAKE "LEMONADE"? rack garden? The alluvial clay has been hiding som efabulous boulders that they are going to retieve for me with the basket on the "cat"
Our crows are good!!
PQOP

Pat C, talking about birds, I ride my bike everyday in Austin, sometimes 20 miles. I have noticed more then enough dead birds on the roads and lawns. I don't know if its from the 100 degree heat or the 33 straight days of no rain. But, when you mentioned the dead birds in britain, I thought that maybe we should start testing for the bird flu here.

WV, I think that the upcoming Uranus squared Pluto in 2012 will make the 60's look like a cake walk. Uranus in Aries is liberation in a violent way. It will also be impulsive and chaotic (all adjectives of Aries). But, with Pluto in Capricorn it won't be pretty with the government being even more controlling and totalitarian.

Do you agree?

Back again.

Pat, you sound so much the better today, and it's musical.

Travieso, they are the first warning.

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http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/071105.html
Rove's Leak Points to Bush Conspiracy

A key national security principle for dealing with top-secret information, such as the identity of undercover CIA officers, is strict compartmentalization, often called “the need to know” – which raises the question why George W. Bush’s chief political adviser Karl Rove would know anything about the identity of CIA officer Valerie Plame.

More...

Heh!

http://www.newsamericanow.com/2005/07/white_house_sto.html

NewsAmericaNow has a partial transcript

White House Stonewalls On Rove/Plame Case

Press Secretary McClellan asked 5 times about involvement of Karl Rove in Valerie Plame CIA agent outing claims that he "would not comment on an ongoing investigation"... Performance reminiscient to some in attendance of Nixon secretary Ron Ziegler...

That would be ROCK garden! Also fabulous, not e-fabulous!
I had a lame crow come to my bird tree 3 years ago on Xmas day. ( Bird tree; huge old weeping willow, which shelters all kinds of birds.) the crow is mended now, but limps and still coming, bringing several of his buddies! Happy to report I never see any dead birds here!
My local friends are properly horrified, & notified: re: the 7/7 material, thanks for finding it!
PQ

wv, was that you who posted the link to the virology?

Thank you to whoever it was. So very interesting.

Here is some interesting information from a past pandemic.

http://www.homeopathic.org/crisis.htm

snip...

Homeopathy has been very effective in treating many of the epidemics during the 19th and early 20th centuries. Why the successes are not better known is a subject for conjecture. It could be that, like the physician quoted below, most would rather not see the ineffectiveness of the conventional therapeutics nor accept the efficacy of homeopathy.

Do you remember how you treated it?
A. They all had about the same symptoms. You didn't have to do anything else but give them a bottle of Gelsemium, followed with a bottle of Eupatorium perfoliatum. We told them to go to bed, and to stay out of the bathtub and out of the shower, and to keep themselves clean with alcohol rubs. In those days we could get them to clean with alcohol. And to stay on liquids. In five days practically all of them were well.

Q. Do you remember the potencies?
A. I think both of them were 6X.

More....

test

THERE IS JUST TOO DARN MUCH HAPPENING!

"Henry Kissinger, a former Unocal consultant deeply involved in the pre-9/11 pipeline consortium, sits on CNOOC's international board, which he joined in October 2001. Essentially, Kissinger has been on both sides of the oil deal for years, from CentGas/Central Asia to whatever comes of CNOOC's play for Unocal.

While the flames of world war burn, true inner circle elites like Kissinger play all sides, up and down, profiting all along the way." --Larry Chin

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/070505_rumsfeld_cnooc.shtml

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Withdrawal Symptoms
While chaos spreads, secret U.S. plans to pull troops out of Iraq

UK defense secretary John Reid calls the withdrawal plans "prudent planning"

http://villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat/archive/001063.php

Perhaps the most we can ask for is complete exposure and demise of power of the puppetmasters, and a new beginning.

Travieso,

I don't see tPluto in Capricorn as necessarily oppressive against Americans... Capricorn is structure, Big Business... I see tPluto 'ripping' and 'snorting' through it, all that Corporate stuff! It happens to fall in USA 2nd House, also which reinforces my gut feeling about it. I took a look back at when tPluto was last in Capricorn. It moved into what is NOW the USA second house about 1770... I then put together a little timeline to look at what was going on in the colonies and in Europe. Again, there was a lot of rebellion, revolution... Of course the 'establishment' is and will be fighting tooth and nail for their supremacy (d'uh, what else is new!), but there's a good possibility citizens will also be fighting for a change... As bhakti says though, we have enough worries on our plate with tPluto in Sag... I think I can wait 'til it moves into Capricorn before I try to make any assessment about it... at least before I start worrying... my plate is full of concern in the NOW.

1770 The Boston Massacre
1771 North Carolina Regulators Rebellion ends.
1772 The First Partition of Poland
1773 16 December - The Boston Tea Party ; Pope Clement XIV suppresses Jesuits
Peasant uprisings in Russia (ends 1775) ; Don Cossack Yemelian Pugachev leads the Peasant's Revolt in Russia.
1774 Louis XVI becomes King of France (to 1792) ; Treaty of Kutchuk-Kainardji ends the Russo-Turkish War. The Coercive Acts are passed by Parliament. 5 September - The First Continental Congress opens for business. 14 October - Declaration and Resolves by the First Continental Congress. Rhode Island becomes the first Colony to abolish slavery
1775 23 March - Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death Speech by Patrick Henry
19 April - The American Revolution begins with the battles of Lexington and Concord.
10 May Ethan Allen and his Green Mountain Boys captured the British-held fortress at Ticonderoga, N.Y. 14 June The United States Army is Founded by the Continental Congress. Battle of Bunker and Breeds Hill; 26 December - Battle of Trenton
War between the British and Marathas in India (ends 1782)
1776 1 January General George Washington hoists Continental Union Flag.
14 February - Common Sense written by Thomas Paine; 7 June Richard Henry Lee of Virginia proposed to the Continental Congress a resolution calling for a Declaration of Independence. 11 June Continental Congress formed a committee to draft a Declaration of Independence from Britain. 12 June - The Virginia Declaration of Rights adapted by the Virginia Convention. Drafted by George Mason; 2 July - Declaration of Independence approved by the Continental Congress and signed by John Hancock, the other Delegates sign two days later. 23 December - The American Crisis written by Thomas Paine.
1777 Burgoyne's invasion from Canada begins. It ended in failure at the Battle of Saratoga.
14 June the Continental Congress in Philadelphia adopted the Stars and Stripes as the national flag. 15 November - Articles of Confederation written.
1778 Treaty of Paris signed by Paris and the United States. War of Bavarian Succession (ends 1779)
1780 League of Armed Neutrality of the North; Gordon Riots in London; Peruvian Indians revolt against Spain
1781 13 March William Herschel discovers the Planet Uranus. Cornwallis surrenders at Yorktown; Robert Morris becomes the Superintendent of Finance in the Continental Congress.
1782 Treaty of Salbai
1783 24 July - The Treaty of Georgievsk was signed. India Act gives Britain control in India

Paris Peace Treaty ends the American Revolution

"Too much happening?"

tPluto is slinging mud, getting to the bottom of things... hard working energy! Besides, we have a Mercury Rx coming up... I want to see something initiated before that happens... esp w/ Rove, and a few other matters...

Check out Claudia!

http://starcats.com/toc.html

YO! Ha!!!!

Jo, Re "Starcats", I'm taking bets that the *Bitch* will be Bush.

I know nothing about this site, however, I do know of many sites, antiwar.com included, that give the official numbers and then give the numbers estimated... as well as estimated number of civilians who have died. It appears other gov'ts are questioning the official number:

Number Of Iraq Casualties Is Double Official Figures,
Says Puerto Rican Government
By Jesœs D‡vila, El Diario

http://www.coastalpost.com/05/07/03a_.html

Bush says he 'preciates folks dyin' for the cause...

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9445.htm

Jo

DOD doesn't count those wounded who have been
evacuated to Germany or USA and die after they
get there. The figure there is currently about
7000. Nor do they count suicides.

Boy President in a Failed World?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9447.htm

Something to comtemplate....

http://www.rense.com/general66/blair.htm

Right WV,

Seems if you are wounded in Iraq, and live long enough be flown out to hospital, only to die in transit or in Germany, you are not counted! A crock, right?! Heck if the Rummy could beam them up, Scotty, he wouldn't have a single casualty!

Fingers are flying and not makin' sense!, sorry.

Anyway, there's an offshout of dKos, called Booman Tribune which some of you may have or may not have seen... they have a 'European' tribune which is written by former Kossacks residing in Europe (I told you all the good Kossack writers/ posters have left dKos) --- makes for informative reading. Poster by the name of Soj has very long but interesting piece on the kidnapping of Abu Omar...

http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2005/7/10/112057/612

Jared Diamond's "Guns, Germs & Steel" is on PBS tonight! Spread the word...

Gary Younge of Guardian has the USA "pulse" !!! and the results of the propaganda machine here...

----------------

Newspapers warn of threat to America from 'Londonistan'

Gary Younge in New York
Tuesday July 12, 2005
The Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0,16132,1526616,00.html

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/11/185338/590

http://www.boomantribune.com/?op=displaystory;sid=2005/7/11/184447/453

Evidence Mounts that Judy Miller is Protecting Judy Miller

In past diaries I have opined that Judith Miller's refusal to testify before the grand jury investigating the Valerie Plame affair is rooted not in her desire to protect confidential sources, but rather in her belief that she herself is a target of the investigation facing possible indictment. I believe that the evidence in support of this theory is more in evidence every day.

At least two news accounts have hinted that special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald has a journalist in his sights in his ongoing investigation. The Washington Post reported on July 6, 2005 that "sources close to the investigation say there is evidence in some instances that some reporters may have told government officials -- not the other way around -- that Wilson was married to Plame, a CIA employee."

And on July 9th The Los Angeles Times reported that "it appears clear that one possibility pursued by Fitzgerald is whether a journalist started a chain of conversations about Plame between reporters and White House officials."

Other things are also clear. Fitzgerald has indicated in court papers that he wants to learn more about contacts Miller had with an "identified government official" that occurred on or about July 6, 2003 -- the date Joe Wilson's op-ed piece discrediting administration claims that Saddam Hussein had attempted to buy yellow cake from Niger -- appeared in The New York Times. Fitzgerald also states that Miller's "source," whose identity he already knows, has signed a waver freeing Miller to testify about whatever communication she had with him. Fitzgerald has obtained blanket wavers from four White House officials, including Karl Rove, so it is probably a safe bet that Miller is "protecting" one of those four.

Miller, of course, is not the only journalist who has become a "person of interest" to the special prosecutor. She is, however, the only one who has claimed blanket immunity against even having to appear before the grand jury.

More....

This is heartening!

http://tinyurl.com/8ntc4
Redstone: Age of Media Conglomerate Over

"The point here are not Rove's lies or the associated stories. The point is, that the fourth estate today turned away from this administration."

Very, very, very interesting.

Today Mars passed the eclipse point exactly. Could this be a real change in direction?

The press was ANGRY! Could be an unleashing in the cards.

Well some have and that's good. Chris Matthews on Hardball is still just as disgustingly doing the spinning dance for Bush et al.

Disgusting is as disgusting was.

There was a bomb attack in my homeland, Trinidad today. Fourteen injured, two seriously - capital city, Port-Of Spain, totally shut down. This is the first time there has ever been anything like this targeting civilians. The attack happened at 2pm Eastern and we're just off the coast of Venezuela if anyone wants to do a chart. Country achieved independence from Britan at 6pm on August 31st, 1962.

Oh yeah - we have lots of oil and natural gas, homegrown Muslim radicals who tried to stage a coup in 1990, and are very conveniently located off Venezuela so Uncle Sam can keep an eye on Chavez. The crime scene was crawling with FBI and "US Embassy personnel" within minutes. never knew we had so many here...

Mars, wow. I'm so sorry.

I think the crucial thing is that not even bombs could stop this story. Now that we are faced with the security issues, what is more important? Dropping bombs or are own security leaks and failures of our administration to protect us.

It certainly didn't tkae long for this to get back into the headlines. It's a story that wants to be told.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-miss11.html
Missile defense system won't hold tests soon

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/TECH/07/11/missile.defense.ap/
Missile defense setbacks stall program

Pat C,
Yes I was feeling better......relieved to have sent Eric back up to the Med Center today. I'm completely "tone deaf" "color blind" when it comes to medicine.
As it turned out, I was fully justified to be so upset this weekend, beyond that he was cranky ( understatment) & couldn't eat after the Sat. AM incident! They have checked him back into a hospital room. He wasn't completely over his pneumonia when they started the radiation & chemo!!!! Now they can hydrate & nourish him, to build him up!
But it was also one of those blue sky summer days, of which we've had too few this summer!
That Sheila Samples sure has a way with words doesn't she?
WV's 10:46 post.
PQ

I keep tying this in with Jo's post about our Merc/Pluto opposition.
The recent Saturn pass, the coming Merc retro trine Pluto in retrograde motion, and the Pluto transit to our Mars in Gemini(mercury). That's a lot of repeat.

Another interesting tie-in is the election chart of '06 that Jo directed us to on Claudia's Starcats site. That chart has a Scorpio stellium in the 3rd house. Travieso mentioned this a while back wondering what it foretold. Certainly media power will be in effect and if this trend continues, maybe more revelation and the effects of some healing. With Saturn in Leo there might be more self confidence and boldness.

I've seen signs of an escape from this lockdown for some time now and it remains to be seen if the administration can tighten the vise grip again. Without Rove, they are in trouble. I think Scott McClellan is a dodo lightweight.

I also think the two full Moons in Capricorn have everything to do with Karl Rove and his Capricorn stellium. Talk about orchestration. He's known to control with an iron fist and two Cap Moons could be the fist controlling him. Or knocking him out of the ring.

Scott McClellen is a wind up toy! For a "man-boy".
PQ

Okay, the CBC has an interview with Peter Powers, the guy with Visor Consultants, who was on BBC LiveFive on the 7th in the pm, describing the ongoing drills for emergency he was conducting the MORNING of the 7th... here's the link to the note, and the transcript for the interview can be found at the second link:

CRISIS PLANNING
When there is an emergency like the London bombings, the public instinctively turns to professionals for help. We speak to two experts who are in Toronto today for the World Conference on Disaster Management. Adrian Gordon is the Executive Director of the Canadian Centre for Emergency Preparedness, and Peter Power is Managing Director of a London-based consulting firm that specializes in crisis management, Visor Consultants - which on the morning of July 7 was co-incidentally running a security exercise for a private firm, simulating multiple bomb explosions in the London Underground, at the same stations that were subsequently attacked in real life.

http://www.cbc.ca/sunday/#night

2nd link: http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/

Thanks so very much Beasley for your ponderings on the National Security Act. I was going to contact you personally and tried your online link (http//usa/) but nothing comes up.

It never ceases to amaze me how charts pan out. Now the big question remains, what to do, what to do. I certainly look forward to more musings on this subject - I think the world's future depends on it.
Along lines of the same subject, can astrological aspects ever suggest the demise of a particular organization, country, or other entity? Or would it just show up as a radical change, for better or worse?

I just realized that the NSA mars at 17 Gemini would have been conjunct the June 2004 Transit of Venus. I wonder what long term significance that may have?

Billmon hits another homerun!

http://billmon.org/

Oh that's a good one Jo. So appropriate!

.......

"XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX MON JULY 11, 2005 17:21:08 ET XXXXX

NY TIMES FIGHTS BACK: PLANS FRONT SPLASH ON ROVE; REPORTER SITS IN JAIL

Top editors of the NY TIMES made the decision Monday afternoon to turn up the heat on White House adviser Karl Rove.

The TIMES is planning to lead Tuesday editions with growing calls for Rove's resignation, newsroom sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT, a powerplay in this summer's DC all-star game of high stakes finger pointing and intrigue.

While TIMES reporter Judith Miller remains jailed for refusing to testy about sourcing before a grand jury investigating the outing of a CIA "operative," the paper's editors are splashing Rove's own lack of detailed explanation detailing his press contacts.

Things that make you go hmmm...

From The Mountain Astrologer's chart of the April 8th Solar Eclipse:

"The path of this eclipse runs through Colombia and Venezuela - watch for a U.S. oil grab in that region; this could take the form of either a military invasion or a U.S.-sponsored coup, since Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez has defied the U.S. ***This chart will be activated again on July 10, 2005***, when Mars reaches 19° Aries, the degree of this eclipse."

That date is too uncomfortably close. If the US ever makes an oil grab in Venezula, Trinidad will definitely be the staging post. During World War II we played host to the then-largest airbase in the world. various sources have told me that the Americans have quietly moved back in. We have lots of unmarked helicopters flying around at night now. Supposedly as part of an anti-crime drive (crime here has been spiralling out of control), but I've heard that those are US helicopters.

Oops! Full Mountain Astologer article here:

http://www.mountainastrologer.com/planettracks/temsept604.html

Sirotablog

Real-world wisdom from outside the beltway.

7.11.05>br> REPORT: Zell Miller stole taxpayer money Georgia political analyst Bill Shipp reports that former Sen. Zell Miller - the guy who piously brags about his own integrity - essentially stole $80,000 from Georgia taxpayers upon leaving office when he was governor.

According to Shipp, who was quoting a WSB-TV investigation, Miller "pocketed more than $60,000 in taxpayer funds earmarked for entertainment and other expenses at the Governor's Mansion." Miller "also picked up a check for more than $20,000 for 'unused leave' - a sum to which he was not entitled as a constitutional officer."

Hilariously, Zell explained himself by "say[ing] that he was technically eligible to take the mansion money as his own because no one said he could not." Of course, "every other living governor from Jimmy Carter to Sonny Perdue told [WSB-TV] that they did not consider the mansion money theirs - and that they would not have taken it. The cash was meant for use at the mansion, not for lining the occupants' pockets, they said."

In some sense we shouldn't be surprised: the same man who lied about John Kerry has now been proven to essentially be a thief - not exactly shocking. But still, Zell's willingness to rip off his own state is really stunning.

Posted by David Sirota at 5:30 PM

categories: Lying Liars

http://www.workingforchange.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=087325A9-AB10-0B8A-FE9F85E3FA49E779

mars, take a look at this.

http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID=%7BA462228C-171A-40C1-8D47-7A4F74B2EC75%7D&language=EN

US Military Contingent Arrives in Paraguay

Asuncion, Jul 1 (Prensa Latina) The Paraguayan government opened its doors to a US military contingent comprised of planes, weapons, equipment and ammunition, which arrived in Paraguay after the National Congress granted immunity to US soldiers.

US Ambassador to Asuncion Francis Keane informed Friday his country would give Paraguay financial assistance to fight corruption, money laundering and terrorism.

This group is the first of a total of 13, with the possibility the number may increase, and will stay in Paraguay until December 31 2006, as determined by the Commission of Constitutional Affairs of the Paraguayan Senate.

The request had been sent to the Ministry of National Defense, after an agreement came into force on June 1 granting US troops total immunity in Paraguay.

Besides having the same prerogatives of a diplomat, these soldiers will not be held accountable for damages caused to public health, the environment or the country's resources.

Medical registrations and driving licenses these soldiers bring from their native country will also be automatically recognized.

This concession, and the progressive increase of Pentagon forces in Paraguay, has caused alarm in political and social circles, and constitutes one of the strongest US blows to the South Common Market (MERCOSUR), humanitarian and social organizations in Argentina told the Paraguayan press.

Nobody doubts these soldiers will make incursions on the Triple Border Zone (Paraguay, Brazil and Argentina), chosen by Washington to install a military camp with rapid response troops.

In Mariscal Estigarribia, close to the Paraguayan border with Bolivia, there is an airport built by the US for landing of B-52 and Galaxy planes, which are designed to transport large consignments of troops and weapons.

test

Dammit Mars, that just makes me angry and upset at the same time. We have to do something about this. Venezuela has helped the US out considerably and this is the "thanks" they get. Makes my damn blood boil.

However, I do take some solace in the fact that the people of Venezuela were able to stand up to the Bushitters and their lackeys and put Hugo in charge!!! He seems like a genuine folk hero and someone to be proud of. Hopefully, he will be able to defeat them again if they should make a very ill-advised oil grab in your area.

White light and strength to you and your countrymen, Mars, and may the just prevail.....

namsate all, and thanks for the (as-usual)brilliant posts.....

Pat C - thanks for that article about Paraguay. All I can say is *GULP!*.

The scary thing is if the government in my country cut a similar deal, you can bet it would be kept secret!

We are all saying *GULP* these days mars....everywhere. I'm so very sorry you are seeing this problem in your country. I'm sending you warm thoughts of protection.

wv, in the midst of all of this dying, bombs going off every day in Iraq, and now London and Trinidad, I found one passage from the Herbst newsletter beautiful and reassuring. And, with the Karl Rove thing getting mileage, I am feeling lighter; maybe we all are. We are getting closer to seeing justice done and I pray so hard it is done. The White House Press Corp. interchange with McClellan is just so sweet, it makes me positively giddy. I distinctly remember Sally saying that the press would get their balls back this year and would fight back after being conned and controlled for so long. I took a good friend who had had a stroke (mild, thank God) to an inpatient rehab program in the hospital today. In fact, he was transferred from one hospital program to another. It reminded me of the nursing homes my mother and aunts were in. Many people hate being in hospitals and especially avoid nursing homes, but I'll bet there are many people in Iraq today who would gladly trade their way of life with the conditions in a U.S. hospital or nursing home. The passage I meant was:

We can, however, shine into that shadow world the light of who we
truly are, cutting through the fog with the warming radiance of heart
and soul. Finally, that loving presence is all we really have---all we
ever will have, probably---but thankfully it is more than enough to
make the garden bloom.

I believe I have just witnessed a major defining moment in the current crisis: during Scotty M.'s press briefing yesterday the White House press corps uniformly turned vicious on him like a pack of wolves. The catalyst and main point was that he refused to comment on Karl Rove's involvement in Plamegate because it was part of "an ongoing criminal investigation".

This stonewalling was just too much even for the heretofore totally "wussed out" and sheepishly compliant press people (I still cannot bring myself to calling them 'jounalists') and they called him out increasingly harshly with each passing 'no comment' statement, saying things such as "why are you doing this now, you told us that Rove (and Libby) were NOT involved a year ago when the criminal investigation was also 'ongoing'?? This is just ridiculous!" They were acting like real reporters and real Americans unafraid to stand up to ANYONE to get at the truth and finally do what is right.

Maybe Bush should throw a bunch of them in jail by executive order, as it seems that is what it may take to make honest people out of these prissy fawning media whores. Oh well, better late than never. Maybe the Republic, or what is left of it, might still be saved after all. Definitely popcorn time at any rate (proviso of course that there is no sudden terrorist 'incident' to coincidentally coincide with all this!).

Independent

"The bombs used in Thursday's terrorist attacks were of "military origin" , according to a senior French policeman sent to London to help in what has become the biggest criminal investigation in British history.

Christophe Chaboud, head of the French Anti-Terrorism Co-ordination Unit, told Le Monde newspaper that the explosives used in the bombings were of " military origin", which he described as "very worrying". " We're more used to cells making home-made explosives with chemicals," he said. "How did they get them? Either by trafficking, for example, in the Balkans, or they had someone on the inside who enabled them to get out of the military establishment."

He added that the victims' wounds suggested that the explosives, which were " not heavy but powerful", had been placed on the ground, perhaps underneath seats..."

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article298515.ece

Kiwijeanie,

Among other transits, Pluto Returns -- or tPluto conjunct Natal Pluto -- have been known to mark the fall of nations and empires that have deviated too far from their core principles and have arrogantly overextended their reach. Incidentally, the US's own Pluto Return at 27 Capricorn is due in February 2022.

I have personally speculated that the imminent bankruptcy of the US Federal Govt. may lead to a Soviet-esqe breakup of the United States by this time, if not several years earlier. It may mean the dissolution of the US, leading the country to reorganize perhaps as one or more loose confederacies of states and regional alliances. Who knows? Cascadia might finally emerge out of the Pacific Northwest. The Great Lakes region may come together to form "Lakeland". The New England colonial states may form a regional economic trade union. Texas will be, well... Texas. Whatever the result, Pluto transforms forever, and so the United States as we now know it, even if it manages to pull through in one piece, will never again be quite the same as it was before.

But truthfully, I suspect that the outcome of the US' Pluto Return will have been seeded several years earlier, during what could very likely come as a foundation-rocking transit during the Uranus(Aries)-Pluto(Capricorn) Square from 2012-15. Keep in mind, the US Natal Sun is at 13 Cancer. tPluto in Capricorn will oppose that degree between 2014-15. Several interpretations I have read suggest that this could be an extremely violent, chaotic, revolutionary period of time. Could it mean a very public outburst and rebellion by the people (Uranus in Aries) against entrenched, outmoded structures and the elitists (Pluto in Capricorn)?

As I've mentioned before, for the same reason, the Republican Party might be in a bit of trouble very near the same time, with it's own natal Sun at 14 Cancer. If the GOP manages to remain the ruling party of the elites by this point, it could be suddenly swept away with them amid all of the chaos during this time.

I don't know quite why, but I find myself very much intrigued by Pluto and its' transits through the signs, particulary the next three, Capricorn, Aquarius and Pisces (and if I'm very lucky to live so long, four -- back to Aries).
I know many of us are pretty tied up with a lot of things in the present. But perhaps that is a large part of the essence of our problem?
Those of us among the more rational Left wish to see an expedient and decisive end to the Bush-Cheney empire and its hideous abuse of power and ceaseless appetite for more of it at the expense of everything and everyone else on Earth. However, we are still so often caught up in analyzing and reacting to every move the Bushies & Friends make that we've fallen way behind on putting together and presenting our own plan and vision for what the future -- our future and the future of our planet -- can and should look like.
I think it would be most helpful for us to examine the transits of the not-so-immediate and somewhat distant future, as to better plot our course and strategies for dealing with the possible manifestations of energies influenced by those transits.
So what do we know? We already know with some certianty that certain events and situations are likely to unfold and play themselves out over the next 10 to 15 years:
-Peak Oil and the resulting Energy Shortage Crisis
-Peak Food Production -- Considering that we use Oil by-products for so many Fertilizers
-"Peak Water" -- Specifically in the arid but oddly booming US Southwest
Let's think about the aforementioned three points for a moment. Issues with infrastructure? Government? Delivering the goods? Don't they all seem like Capricorn issues? And what shall Pluto bring to Capricorn? It seems that destruction, regeneration and transformation are in short order.
We're talking about nothing short of a full-blow revolution, folks, resulting from the total breakdown of our infrastructure. Think of that which brings the water to your tap, the electric to your lamp, the gas to your pump. When Pluto moves into Capricorn, I think we will all be paying a bit more attention to the daily necessities that each of us take for granted.
What else do we know? The Pluto transit through Capricorn coincides with periods of time throughout history in which government becomes markedly more obstructionist and opressive. Consider the harsh restrictions imposed upon the American colonies by the British Crown.
Nearly two and a half centuries later, America once again faces a time of oppression, only this time by an increasingly entrenched corporatist elite who control our federal government via the Republican Party, many Democrats and and endless corrupting cashflow of contributions to those weak-minded and weak-hearted souls who would do their bidding.
Last time, however, even as the King became more oppressive, the American settlers grew more rebellious. How will the American people respond this time?
If I may be so bold, whatever revolution that takes place seems likely to center around the three points I mentioned above -- water, food and energy. The government's inability or willful failure to deliver these basic goods in a reasonable way will likely spell its' demise -- and that of the entrenched, paranoid elites that control it.

I don't know quite why, but I find myself very much intrigued by Pluto and its' transits through the signs, particulary the next three, Capricorn, Aquarius and Pisces (and if I'm very lucky to live so long, four -- back to Aries).

I know many of us are pretty tied up with a lot of things in the present. But perhaps that is a large part of the essence of our problem?

Those of us among the more rational Left wish to see an expedient and decisive end to the Bush-Cheney empire and its hideous abuse of power and ceaseless appetite for more of it at the expense of everything and everyone else on Earth. However, we are still so often caught up in analyzing and reacting to every move the Bushies & Friends make that we've fallen way behind on putting together and presenting our own plan and vision for what the future -- our future and the future of our planet -- can and should look like.

I think it would be most helpful for us to examine the transits of the not-so-immediate and somewhat distant future, as to better plot our course and strategies for dealing with the possible manifestations of energies influenced by those transits.

So what do we know? We already know with some certianty that certain events and situations are likely to unfold and play themselves out over the next 10 to 15 years:

-Peak Oil and the resulting Energy Shortage Crisis

-Peak Food Production -- Considering that we use Oil by-products for so many Fertilizers

-"Peak Water" -- Specifically in the arid but oddly booming US Southwest

Let's think about the aforementioned three points for a moment. Issues with infrastructure? Government? Delivering the goods? Don't they all seem like Capricorn issues? And what shall Pluto bring to Capricorn? It seems that destruction, regeneration and transformation are in short order.
We're talking about nothing short of a full-blow revolution, folks, resulting from the total breakdown of our infrastructure. Think of that which brings the water to your tap, the electric to your lamp, the gas to your pump. When Pluto moves into Capricorn, I think we will all be paying a bit more attention to the daily necessities that each of us take for granted.
What else do we know? The Pluto transit through Capricorn coincides with periods of time throughout history in which government becomes markedly more obstructionist and opressive. Consider the harsh restrictions imposed upon the American colonies by the British Crown.
Nearly two and a half centuries later, America once again faces a time of oppression, only this time by an increasingly entrenched corporatist elite who control our federal government via the Republican Party, many Democrats and and endless corrupting cashflow of contributions to those weak-minded and weak-hearted souls who would do their bidding.

Last time, however, even as the King became more oppressive, the American settlers grew more rebellious. How will the American people respond this time?
If I may be so bold, whatever revolution that takes place seems likely to center around the three points I mentioned above -- water, food and energy. The government's inability or willful failure to deliver these basic goods in a reasonable way will likely spell its' demise -- and that of the entrenched, paranoid elites that control it.

Hey, Grizzly! Did you see this?

United States Senator Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ) issued the following statement to RAW STORY today in light of the recent revelation Karl Rove was responsible for revealing the identity of a covert CIA agent.

"Karl Rove has accused liberals of not understanding the consequences of 9-11, but he's the one who blew the cover of a covert CIA agent. The President should immediately suspend Karl Rove's security clearances and shut him down by shutting him out of classified meetings or discussions.

The excuses offered by Karl Rove's lawyer don't pass the laugh test."
------

Now's the time for the Dems to go for the security issue. Rove has just made such a complete foolish ass of himself that the press can't resist and it is all so absurd... their accusations against Liberals and security.
Let 911 come for Rove as he's desecrated the event and its memories.

Whoops! Sorry about the double post, Captain Sally.

Hey, I must be slacking off. I didn't even realize that Saturn has just entered Leo. Even though my actual Saturn Return doesn't hit until 23 Leo, I think i'm feeling someting of a boost from it just now. My words are flowing again like they haven't in quite a while.

It seems that Bush is presiding over the decline and fall and death of the American empire according to some professors on the English channel. And it all happens in the next five years because of the wateful and stupid financial practices of the Bush adminitration. When the people have no food or water or heat because the Bush admiinstration has destroyed the US economy. We may have great weapons but no means no means to feed or pay people to use them. Came at the end of discussion of the explorations of Zheng He.

Where is Dave? (Please, don't anyone reply, "Dave's not here.") I miss Dave.

Nice to hear from you again Betsy. Hows things with you? So who runs the english channel in china?
Very interesting perspective. Bottom line is they are right of course. But I just wonder if it is a govt sanctioned/run program because it also has enough of the expected political distain for Bushworld. (But then US news is full of pro US govt propaganda too! LOL - we're all just pawns)

Neo, great comments!!! Yes, I too feel more of us could be looking toward the big picture and planning, or the dramas of 'today' will continue to blind-side us.

It's so ludicrous, Betsy. We probably have enough weapons to spread death across Earth and destroy humanity 1,000 times over in the process. But we soon might not even be able to provide our citizens with the most basic necessities of life -- fresh water and a decent, ample supply of food.

The ridiculous profiteering mixed with paranoia of the elites and the ruling class absolutely must come to an end if humanity is to have a chance at survival on this, our one and only planet. Maybe we'll get to drop the curtain on them and the culture of death for a good while during the upcoming Pluto-Uranus square. We had a chance to do it before during the 1960s, but they got us pretty good with the assassinations of RFK, MLK and the Civil Rights leaders. This is our second chance, and there will be an escalated urgency about it, since we didn't quite get things down the first time.

Further beyond is the Pluto(Pisces)-Uranus(Virgo) opposition in 2046-48. What would you call that one? Sudden Death? The astrologer Palden Jenkins seems to believe that this one may be the final pass or fail test for modern civilization. If we don't figure ourselves out over the next couple of decades, we may be picking up the pieces to try again, maybe in another millenium or so.

Yeah, I know that's a bit out of scope for most of us here. But we do need to look ahead to what is coming, to keep this ship on course for future generations after ours.

CCTV9 out of Bei Jing. I am often hit by mulpitle posts coming from me to another board or two that I post on. Glad tosee this one did not do that. I love this board.

NEOBuckeye,

There's looking ahead, and there's 'looking ahead'. This entity has been keeping journals and timelines for decades. One hundred years ago the first automobile in South Carolina appeared on the battery in Charleston. Everything you are familar with today --- has manifested in the last hundred years. Fifty years ago we were attacking segregation in this country, as schools tried to erase color lines. Just a decade ago, many thought they would become millionaires overnight with dot.com cycle. Five years ago, July before 9/11 --- we thought we had a harmless moron in the White House --- now we know better... we have a crazed moron in the White House.

The best we can do is learn from our mistakes of the past, stay aware of what is happening in the present, and hope to provide a future that encompasses all of humanity and respects Gaia. I have no idea what today will bring, but I am delighted to have it! There are blueberries to be picked and eaten... closets to be cleaned... books to read with the grands... lunch with Granddad and on and on... 2048? We don't truly know what 1948 was like... we know the glossy version... but 2048? Try August 2005... what does that look like? Well I have a dental appointment and children all over the country will be going back to school... the moron in the White House, won't be in Washington, he'll be in Crawford... for a month's vacation, from his vacation... and we all know he'll be trying to keep his friend and himself out of jail... trying to pack the Courts (all of them)... and we know folks all over the planet are angry...

Now is the 'summer' of our discontent...

Fantastic posts. I especially like Neo's fine analysis of the Pluto Uranus sq., and it's affect on the country and the GOP. On the other hand, I also appreciate Jo's way of looking at 'the moment.' Your description of this summer, Jo, is appropos and creative, as usual.

So Saturn's now in Leo (already?)...the Fall of Kings (and Kingmakers!)

Fantastic posts. I especially like Neo's fine analysis of the Pluto Uranus sq., and it's affect on the country and the GOP. On the other hand, I also appreciate Jo's way of looking at 'the moment.' Your description of this summer, Jo, is appropos and creative, as usual.

So Saturn's now in Leo (already?)...the Fall of Kings (and Kingmakers!)

hi everybody, sorry I'm just cruising through with no time to read, but I wanted to drop off this:
WASHINGTON – As London recovers from the latest deadly al-Qaida attack that killed at least 50, top U.S. government officials are contemplating what they consider to be an inevitable and much bigger assault on America – one likely to kill millions, destroy the economy and fundamentally alter the course of history, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

According to captured al-Qaida leaders and documents, the plan is called the "American Hiroshima" and involves the multiple detonation of nuclear weapons already smuggled into the U.S. over the Mexican border with the help of the MS-13 street gang and other organized crime groups.

lots more: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45203

take care ya'll, hope your summer days are wonderfully happy!

Saturn is at 29 deg cancer... not quite into leo yet.

"al-Qaida" is a "strawman[sic]" for the US/UK plutocrats & oligarchs... & it's THEIR lil strawman.

I can't help thinking that squares & oppositions of transformative energies (uranus, neptune & pluto... even mars) that are explosive/violent under rigid patriarchy might not be at all so under a partnership model... in fact, they might be welcomed for the rapid development they may offer.

Gaia, as a viable home for mammals, will not be viable way off in 2048, or even 10 yrs from now... imo. Probably will be for cockaroaches however.

please disregard the post I just made, ot's been debunked as disinfo, here:

http://www.questionsquestions.net/docs04/newterror.html

I'm so sick of all the b.s. we have to live under in this world today, think I'll go back to staying off the computer- it's hazardess to my mental health, lol.

July 11, 2005
Karl Rove on sodium pentothal
Mr. Rove’s famous speech redelivered, moments after his icy veins are injected with industrial-strength truth serum.

Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 in the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers.

Ah, that’s not right. I feel odd. Gee, I almost feel … like … telling the … truth.

Let’s try that again, folks. Strike the other. Here’s what pretty much went down …

Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 in the attacks and prepared for the greatest propaganda blitz in political history. Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and foolishly let us take advantage of it.

Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and promptly prepared to invade the wrong country. Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and cowered themselves into permitting it.

Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and prepared for reciprocal savagery -- innocent men, women and children, made no difference to us, just like the 9/11 skunks. Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare for a more intelligent “war on terrorism,” starting with the understanding that the mobilization of men and hardware against a nebulous tactic, an amorphous concept, is a waste of men and hardware -- and devastating to innocents and our national honor.

Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and prepared for some badly needed image-polishing of the biggest loser ever to sit in the White House. Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and had a helluva time trying to contain their laughter at photo-ops of our chief chickenhawk trying to look tough.

Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and prepared to bribe global friends into supporting our Iraq scheme to give us political cover. Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and saw that Iraq was already contained by the coalition of the willing, known as the United Nations.

Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and then trashed the greatest supply of global good will this nation has ever witnessed. Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and hoped to use this good will to the nation’s advantage.

Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and soon phonied up all kinds of crapola as to our motivations and justifications for invading Iraq. Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and kidded themselves into buying it.

Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and prepared not one whit for Iraq’s post-invasion phase. Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to know how in God’s name the neocons could have been so stupid.

Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and prepared to create a new, improved, and much larger terrorist magnet and training ground in the Middle East. Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and saw the deadly counterproductivity of our efforts.

Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and declared war on domestic dissent. Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and saw the evil that intolerance reaps.

And finally, folks, conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and prepared to cover up our almost incomprehensible incompetence in ignoring what top counterterrorism experts had been trying to tell us. Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer anything but therapy and understanding for us, the conservatives, the clowns who brought you the Iraq insanity.

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. We couldn’t have done it without you. Ain’t it amazing how we’ve gotten away with so much for so long?

Well, gotta run. Have to call my defense lawyer.

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Joanna, interesting observation, and I agree with you...if transformative energy is transformative, it has to break down patterns of rigidity....and those appear everwhere, even in partnership models....but the difference is probably how they implement and how people react to them!

I have a few observations about this Saturn in 1 deg. applying motion to my M/C and Venus at 0 Leo....REALITY. I am getting clear messages on topics involving Venus which (always depending on one's ego structure) have been helpful to me....at the same time, (besides no work) my observation of the EX in my life includes seeing that paternalistic ego and DRINKING are not how I would want to spend my energies.....and that the messages for me are up to me to interpret. My ego doesn't have to be reactive. What a difference 29.5 years makes.

But I also realize why I was so wary of him in the first place! Too bad, but at least that frees ME from the bonds of Capricorn ....! And I still get the benefit of the reality.....

Tseka

Many thanks for your posting re: Avian virus! A big A-ha.

My mind was going in the direction of the winds from the Orient hitting the West Coast-or Chem Trails --or?? Am unaware of a problem with birds here, the Greater Vancouver, B.C. area.

I have never been so sick--Shards of glass in my entire throat area/major purgings.

Fortunately, I was too sick to see a doctor(they would have put me away) and doctored myself with Olive Leaf/Grapefruit seed extract and an arsonel of herbs/vitamins. I did get a prescription for antibiotics when I was capable enough to go to the office. I normally don't darken a doctor's office.

Also forturnately, I had gotten a rail pass and had booked myself off for a three week period.
(got all my money back)

This was all preceded by several months of low energy.
There are many complains of low energy here. It is hard to gauge as people will get antibiotics at the least sign of anything. My sense is that the doctors are busy! One lady who had similar symptoms had a culture done and told me that it was a combination of staph and strep.

Again, Thank You for that information. It opened a window for me!

Trudy

http://www.latimes.com/news/columnists/la-oe-rscheer12jul12,0,7142498.column?coll=la-home-headlines

ROBERT SCHEER
The real Rove scandal
Robert Scheer

July 12, 2005

If you can't shoot the messenger, take aim at his wife.

That clearly was the intent of White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove in leaking to a reporter that former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV's wife, Valerie Plame, was a CIA agent. To try to conceal the fact that the president had lied to the American public about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program, Rove attempted to destroy the credibility of two national security veterans and send an intimidating message to any other government officials preparing to publicly tell the truth.

Rove's lawyer now says that Rove didn't break the law against naming covert agents because he didn't know Plame's name and therefore couldn't have revealed it. Perhaps he can use such a technicality in court, but in the meantime he should resign immediately — or be fired by the president — for leaking classified information, trying to smear Wilson and possibly endangering Plame's life.

Great posts, one and all, and Morgana, you're doing a great job filling in for Captain Sally.

I too have wondered where Dave is keeping himself. His perspective on the craziness in Washington would be welcome.

My question: Is anyone here preparing to endure Saturn's transit over natal Pluto in Leo? I'm interested in hearing how others handle it. It's not my transit but my mother's.

This is
LONDON
12/07/05 - News section

EU laws on sale of vitamins 'valid'

Controversial new European laws which could outlaw thousands of vitamin and mineral supplements were upheld by European Court judgesy.

The European Court of Justice rejected British health food industry claims that the proposed Food Supplements Directive, coming into force on August 1, breaches EU rules.

The surprise decision goes against an opinion delivered by the same court's advocate-general in April, advising that the rules should be scrapped because they contravene basic EU principles of "legal protection, legal certainty and sound administration".

The judges countered that the proposed arrangements, designed to tighten controls on the growing market in products sold under the health food heading, can go ahead as planned.

Health food companies have to submit natural remedies, vitamin supplements and mineral plant extracts - many of them in long-established regular use in a £300 million-a-year market in the UK - for approval and inclusion on a list of recognised food supplements.

The judges backed the move saying: "A 'positive list' system is appropriate for securing the free movement of food supplements and ensuring the protection of human health."

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Find this story at http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/PA_NEWA69691121104201A0000?version=1
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and this unethical bastard wants to be President? I have always though he was an SOB!

Sen. McCain [R-AZ] Strong Words On Supreme Ct Nomination at Dallas Fundraiser: 'During the campaign, President Bush said he will appoint judges who will strictly interpret the constitution... thinking anything else is either amnesia or ignorance... elections have consequences... whomever he nominates deserves an up or down vote and no filibuster... and an up or down vote is what we will have'...

Is today your birthday Sally? I had a pop up tell
me so. If it is, ((((Happy Birthday to you!))))

Tseka, the Corvidae family is very subceptable to West Nile Virus and large die-offs are expected to
happen all across the country. But there are avian
viruses from Asia that can cross over into humans
with small mutations that scare the socks off the
Disease Control people in Atlanta.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/gen-info/transmission.htm

London Bombers Traced...

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13385127,00.html

JillG

Sally's birthday is November 18

Teresa,

I have tSaturn approaching my nPluto will be exact July 29th when the moon is full in cap for 2nd time... this will be the third time tSaturn has met up with my nPluto (it's degree is also my daughter's b-date (1/22 in Aquarius, opposition to my natal Leo) tPluto is also opposing my nSun, and lots of other points in aspect... !!!

tMerc will be Rx, along with the three outer planets...

Ohhh well, I chose this interesting time to live in!!!

Jo, it might be interesting to compare notes. My mother's Pluto is also at 0 Leo and in her first house. The first time Saturn went over Pluto, her father died (1945); the second time (1974-1975), her mother died, we moved from a small town into a much larger one; I'm a little nervous about this transit.

Teresa,

I try to stay current, one foot in front of the other. Years ago I learned that I could worry myself sick about an aspect in my chart, only to find nothing happened, that I could detect anyway. On the other hand, the major events in my life have hit me broadside, I never saw them coming. I rather prefer it that way.

Just love your Mom, don't worry about the aspect.

I'm back and had a wonderful time however a mound of work awaited me and I am frantically trying to get it all done before the 23rd and Mercury goes retrograde, always a killer for me, but I endure it with a smile on my face because I have tracked Mercury retrogrades on GWB and it's always horrible for him too.

I was completely out of touch, no phones, no TV, no internet, no radio (except in my car) and came back to a real chaotic mess in our Nation's Capital (poor babies) Rove, London bombings on the brink of backfiring, Judith Miller's (still cannot find her birthdate) secrets inching toward the light of day, Scotty McClellen sweating at press conferences, the press corps momentarily jarred awake. I will just bet that August vacation can't come soon enough for them. Mr. Bush was asked point blank if he was going to stand by his word two years ago and fire Rove (No answer) They think they have some wriggle room with Rove, something up their sleeve (Maybe Miller) but their window of opportunity might not be as wide open as they think. Permanent damage to Mr. Rove and Mr. Bush over the Plame leak, maybe even permanent damage to Joe Wilson and his wife, it's nasty business and not over.

Thanks, Jo. From a purely educational standpoint though I am curious about various transits and the effects they have on real live people. I can read Rob Hand's book all I want but I really need to see it manifest before I understand the transit. My mother seems to suffer trauma. I looked back at Saturn's transit to my Pluto back in the early 80s and I can't relate any specific event. I don't anticipate one either on the next transit which will take place at 1 Virgo. Saturn transits tend to glide by quietly for me. I don't really notice them and I'm thinking that it's because I'm emotionally attuned to them because of my moon in Capricorn. Mom has Pluto in her first house and that probably explains why Saturn's transit of her Pluto would be very noticeable. I know I'm rambling here and talking about things other than mundane astrology but I find the whole subject fascinating.

One observation: transits to the asc are usually quite noticeable. When Saturn crosses GWB's asc, we'll know it.

Welcome back, Sally! Morgana has done a wonderful job. I hope you are very well rested because, I swan, the times have gotten a lot more interesting!

When the News doesn't suit your politics...

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Y'all grab your popcorn, something to drink, get a big comfy chair, and click at the link --- WH Press Gaggle today, Scotty is in meltdown... full text here: [PS Welcome back SALLY, can't wait to hear from you... we all missed you]

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/12/july-12-briefing/

Oh, btw, I think today is actually Scotty's bday!

Sure is nice to "see" you back, Miss Sally. ;O)

More signs are that Rove was doing Cheney's dirty work and they may have decided to sacrifice him to cover Darth Cheney.
Recalling that the 10th would reveal or cause events leading to the removal of the President before term, could it be that the REAL prez will be gone? Everyone knows that it's cheney(and rove) who run things. Bush just walks around doing his third-rate Ronny Raygun impersonation.
A third-rate impersonation of a second-rate president is a far cry from a decent leader, indeed.

I'm gonna post again, right away something ugly about Judith Miller and didn't want to bury it in this post. So look out!

Comment
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Withdrawal would curb terrorism
Of course there is an Iraq-terror link - and it long predates 9/11

Salim Lone
Tuesday July 12, 2005

Guardian

The Gleneagles summit's grand stage might well have shown up George Bush's hypocrisy in proclaiming an "ideology of compassion" over African poverty and global warming. Instead, the London bombings allowed the president and Tony Blair to strut as anti-terror champions again, when in fact their policies continue to produce thousands of new terrorists.
One hardly expected British and US officials to admit the Iraq-terror link. Blair and Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, denied this linkage by recalling that the 1998 east Africa US embassy bombings and the 9/11 attacks took place before the 2003 Iraq war. But not one interviewer or reporter pointed out that both those attacks were preceded by another war against Iraq, following its 1990 invasion of Kuwait. Indeed it was that war and the accompanying UN sanctions, plus the stationing of US troops in Saudi Arabia, that ushered in our age of global terror with the attempt to blow up the World Trade Centre in 1993.

Bush and Blair were also back in full throttle over the terrorists' barbarity in contrast to the west's superior culture and values. Terrorists were motivated by hatred for the western way of life, they insisted.

You would think the pair of them had never hurt a soul. There appeared to be no memory of the half a million Iraqi children killed by sanctions ruthlessly maintained by the US and UK. Indeed, this slaughter was defended as necessary to advance US interests by Madeleine Albright, the former secretary of state. It was "worth it", she told CBS in 1996.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5236935-103677,00.html

Re: Judith Miller

Back in the good 'ole days of Beirut, Ms. Miller was such an ass-kissing opportunist - hate, hate, hated by the other women reporters that they had t-shirts made! Initials on front of shirt were E.C. for the name they called her: Egregious C**t.
What a shame that the repugs are trying to make a heroine of the woman David E calls Judy Chalabi.

From David Ehrenstein's blog:
"It was always something of a wonder to her colleagues at the Times that Judy managed to get away with her shenanigans for so long. Tactical bum-kissing had a lot to do with it, especially in the days when Abe Rosenthal was running the paper. She could play Abe expertly, alternately toadying before him and making him feel like her daddy. Shortly after Abe walked out on his long-suffering wife Ann, he went to a dinner party at which Judy was present. Before he arrived, she regaled the assembly with details of the Rosenthal breakup. When Abe arrived looking fretful, she innocently asked him if something was wrong between him and Ann. "You are such a sensitive man," she said. "You look like a man deeply troubled - it shows on your face." Abe, evidently moved by Judy's compassion, leaned toward her and complimented her on her own sensitivity and rare perception. Such interpersonal skills Judy no doubt put to good use in her days as a correspondent in Paris, Beirut and Cairo. Regarded by her peers as a dogged, talented journalist, she received more ambivalent reviews for her after-hours work. Fellow female correspondents in Beirut had a very rough nickname for Judy - "Egregious C**t" - which some of them abbreviated (E.C.) and had silk-screened onto T-shirts."
[I edited the c-word in his post - while really fluent in filthy-speak, that one bothers me]

Glad to 'see' you again Sally!

A tsunami of details to take care of has kept me from posting that on the 777 they were planning bombing 'exercises' in lower Manhattan as well. I was listening to the news before I left for Grand Central at 10am. Tin-foil hat time??

I'm enjoying this part of the Karma Movie as the mean characters start to realize there's a smell wafting through the air from their dirty diapers.

Scotty-dogboy managed to stick a "The President" in almost every sentence. I wonder how much it rankles the senators to have to kowtow to an unelected arrogant idiot such as rez. That's gotta fester! 'Course, some of them senators weren't elected either... & are just as arrogant. ;O)

The Battle after the Battle
By Les Blumenthal
The News Tribune

Sunday 10 July 2005

Soldiers say military pushes them to discharge before medical needs are met.
The day before his 22nd birthday, a bomb hanging from a tree along a road near Fallujah exploded above Rory Dunn's Humvee.

Dunn's forehead was crushed from ear to ear, leaving his brain exposed.

His right eye was destroyed by shrapnel; the left eye nearly so. His hearing was severely damaged.

"I remember a bright flash. The trees lit up, and the Humvee was shaking," Dunn recalled during a recent interview while curled up in an easy chair in the living room of his mother's Renton home.

Within minutes of the May 2004 explosion, he was strapped on a stretcher and flown by helicopter to a hospital in Baghdad - the first step in his 10-month struggle to recover.

Yet, even as Dunn fought to overcome his traumatic brain injury and other wounds, his mother, Cynthia Lefever, fought the Army to ensure her son continued to receive critical care from Army specialists. Lefever said the Army tried to pressure her son into accepting a discharge before he was ready - pressure other severely wounded soldiers say they've experienced, too.

Lefever and other critics say the Army's medical system, particularly Walter Reed Medical Center in Washington, D.C., has been overwhelmed by the number of wounded returning from Iraq and Afghanistan. They accuse the Army of attempting to discharge wounded soldiers before their essential medical needs are met and transfer them to Veterans Affairs medical facilities.

"The Army tried to get rid of him," Lefever said. "It was immoral and unethical. The Army owes these kids."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/071105X.shtml

Voice of the White House July 10, 2005

TBR News.com – July 10, 2005

“The “terrorist” attacks in London recently reek like a dead mackerel in the moonlight. It is a topic We Do Not Discuss in the Monkey Palace for very obvious reasons. Bush and Blair are suffering from meltdown. If Blair is booted out as PM, Bush would lose his most powerful ally so suddenly, another “terrorist” attack, coincidentally, just as the two liars are holding an “important” conference in Scotland (far away from any possible injury) and both rushed to the microphones to reaffirm their determination to pursue the “war on terrorism.” As it is doubtful in the extreme that the honest and competent British authorities (at least not the Blair gang) would ever do such a vicious act for political gain, the suspicions here inside the Beltway is that the Porter Goss band of trained attack dwarves have struck again. Here is some additional input for your readers to chew on:

* There was NO CHATTER detected by MI5 or MI6 preceding the blasts. The present working hypothesis is that this means the perps were British homeboys, but it could equally plausibly be because the perps were CIA. Reasons:

* High explosive is extraordinarily difficult to obtain in the UK by members of the public without "connections." There is no mining and blasting. Military installations are under impenetrable security since the IRA campaigns of years past. The source had to be either an IRA connection (they have stockpiles of explosive) which is highly unlikely - the IRA does not involve itself with other people's issues - or a government/military connection. We may rule out the UK government/military - it is a highly socially cohesive country and no official would condone such an action. This leaves a foreign government/military. If it was one of the usual suspects (Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria) there would almost certainly have been detectable chatter. That leaves an unusual suspect, highly expert at undetectable communications, and acting alone - namely, the CIA.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=3333

Headlines, we've got headlines! And a poll! Got your popcorn?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/12/8569/13118

Rove, DSM and Bolton... all one story?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/12/144831/916

Mini updates at Starcats

http://starcats.com/newsmakers.html

My Mercury is sooooooooo happppppppyyyyyyy!

Yaaaaayyyyyyyy MERCURY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And the media! This is the first time something has trumped Terror.

Heavens to Murgatroyd!

Merc going retro with Pluto too. Over Bush. Good for fact digging.

Voice of the White House, July 10

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=3333

I'm in a quandary.

I can't decide whether to pop my corn in oil or use the hot air machine.

This quote from Claudia's sit bears repeating...

"Saturn Enters Leo "The taskmaster Saturn enters Leo on July 16, and will stay in this imperial sign for the next two years. Saturn here has a major influence in the horoscopes of many political leaders, nations, and generations, especially the so-called Baby Boomers. Saturn in Leo judges kings and monarchs, or the leaders who personify these royal qualities. . . . Those who show true leadership -- that is, those who are fair to their subjects -- will be further empowered by Saturn, while those who demonstrate arrogance, greed, and foolishness will stumble." Newscope, Wolfstar @ Stariq

Trouble in Brazil...

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Well, JM,
as Mez Sharon said upthread,

"So Saturn's now in Leo (already?)...the Fall of Kings (and Kingmakers!)"

Yup, Jo. Sharon did say that and it was music to my eyes. She's on a roll lately.

I'm glad I'm just a common man.

Hey bbuster, can you elaborate on your post at 8:54 upthread? By 10th were you referring to the 10th amendment?

namaste all & white light....I love popcorn and boy am I ready to pop up a couple of pounds of it....

Billmon gives us all reason to hope these fascist pigs all rot in jail:

http://www.billmon.org/

There's a 2nd 'administration official' who leaked along w/ Rove... Scotter Libby... who will bring down his boss, the resident of the Oval Office, Dick Cheney...

[follow the dream!] If Cheney is impeached and removed, he can be replaced with a reasonable (if there's one left) Repub, afterwhich, Bush can be impeached and removed.

Sounds good to me...

cnn is just reporting trouble on the shuttle

It's very possible. Cheney is coming into that fixed grand cross, Saturn entering th 12th. Bush, of course, getting Saturn to his Asc., Pluto, and Merc.

They might be a business liability now. The corporate interests do not want an extremist on the SC. The Trilateral Commission has had enough of the war on terror. The neverending string of scandals would probably interfere with business legislation in Congress.
So maybe they want it done and over with. I would think the Rove affair is a setup with more to come.
A reasonable corporate loving Democrat would probably better serve their interests.

the shuttle story from the bbc:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4677495.stm

didn't Claudia predict some trouble? amazing......

Jm
That's how i see it as well, as i've said before, i've been looking for the shiny pointy things in the tall grass, i think a lot are about to fall on their swords.

And as we slide into this weekend a fixed grand square that is a tranfigure of the square solar elcipse of 11 August 1999 forms as well, there is bound to be a lot happening simulateously.

Popped corn sounds good but singing your heartsongs to the universe is what i want to hear JM.....i'll be dancing with you, my body seems to carry a tune just my voice has the problem merc retro at birth do ya think?

And the song? sing the positive attributes of saturn's discipine as it merges with creative heart energies of Leo. We sure didn't get the right vibe in Cancer we got some discordant PC and homeland security.

Oh, tseka.

my middle aged teeth don't really need the popcorn anyway.

Songs it will be. Do you hear me universe? Jm to the cosmos. Calling. Calling. Singing.

Plame Games Originated with Judith Miller

http://dissidentvoice.org/July05/Amr0712.htm

http://www.lawandpolitics.blogspot.com/

CHOOSE ROVE
__________

I've never done heroin (though I have seen Trainspotting), but I have to say that the sheer visceral pleasure of watching the noose tightening around Karl Rove's neck probably rivals a heroin high. I'm giddy.

There are few people I truly despise on this earth and Karl Rove is one of them. The thought of him going to jail fills my head with sweet visions of sugarplums and chocolate drops. I see myself dancing in a field with fellow Rove-haters like the girl in the Blind Melon video. I would be at peace with the universe.

I really really wish I had time to say more about this. I feel like Bart Simpson watching "Snow Day" from his window.

I'm right there with him!

Great article Jo, isn't it interesting how these women operatives for the neo-cons like Miller, Katherine Harris and let's not forget Paula Jones have this similar EC qulaity as decribed in bbuster's 9:11 post. (july 12)

I've been getting a lot of flashes about this Saturn in Cancer transit.

With our family values, Karl Rove has been the master of crucifying other people's families. And their patriotism. Falsely.

With the exit of Saturn and the end of Karl Rove, we should also see the end of this practice. It's not what a Cancer stellium country wants.

We'll see about the protection of good families. I see maybe the elimination of Rove as our country defending itself.

Crisis Papers has new page up:

A Powerful Man Glimpses His Demons

http://crisispapers.org/essays-w/demons.htm

Is there anyone other than me, who did NOT know that Karl's middle name is 'Christian'?

jeeeshh!

Ja, Jm,

What i'm thinking about is how the Pluto in Leo generation set the agenda or stole it away form the conservative past. They said out with the old. They said here's our song, it was pretty chaotic, free love, hippie communes, drugs, testing out values that challenged the norm. It was shocking but just look how much got integrated into our lives. It was also a time of hard work on civil rights and equality for women, free health care and a lot of heart centered ideas flowed on how to make community not just communes.

A lot failed and here's what i'm hoping Saturn going over all those Pluto's says- now i'm mature and i see the value in those ideas and how to make them work for the common good.

I want us to set the agenda again not react to one that is set by the big boys.

Jo,

KKKarl was also born on Christmas Day! Is he the Anti-Christ?!? LOL

Jonathan,

We just couldn't make this stuff up, could we? I mean if we wanted to write a book about some Machevalian, manipulating ---- arrrgghhh... we couldn't have thought THIS one up! anti-Christ for sure.

Sure hope Fitzgerald is the Pitbull everyone says he is!

One more, and I'm hauling my Mercury off to bed!

"...Also of interest to investigators have been a series of telephone contacts between Novak and Rove, and other White House officials, in the days just after press reports first disclosed the existence of a federal criminal investigation as to who leaked Plame's identity. Investigators have been concerned that Novak and his sources might have conceived or co-ordinated a cover story to disguise the nature of their conversations. That concern was a reason-- although only one of many-- that led prosecutors to press for the testimony of Cooper and Miller, sources said."

http://whateveralready.blogspot.com/

Fitzgerald is NOTORIOUS for being a pit bull, regardless of the (so-called) "Power Players" involved. To him, if you broke the law, you broke the law ... even if you work for "the most powerful man in the World" (or even if you ARE that man).

Looking forward to munching my popcorn and watching the show unfold.

Thanks, Jonathan, I can sleep better now. Namaste

I've heard that about Fitzgerald, too, which makes it hard to understand why Bush let Ashcroft hire him! ...which also makes me feel that Rove & Cheney are covered (unless they kept a low profile and didn't tell Bush)...we'll see.

PS -

Cooper testifies tomorrow morning before the Grand Jury...

Rove's progressed MC will be going to 0 Pisces by 2006. Right now tPluto is Sqr his pVenus and Mars.

I am of the generation about to receive my second Saturn return. Natal Saturn, Moon, Pluto in the 5th in Leo. I'm trying to live one day at a time, breath in, breath out, chop wood, carry water. The last time Saturn crossed these points the Lebanese Civil War was raging and I decided that if I lived I would change careers, relocate to the US and study acting and directing. I did live, and I did just exactly what I said I was going to do. I am now AEA and AFTRA and act in NY (less now than before,because my 99 and 1/2 year old mother needs to be left in safe hands when I go into the City).

Other major transits which resulted in other major changes in my life seemed to explode into action after I relocated to the US during that Saturn Transit. The build up was painful, gradual and involved deeply thought out answers to questions which had to do with mortality, and what did I really, really want to do with my soul and my life if I survived this war. All my friends were Lebanese, I taught in Lebanon, I was a practicing psychologist in Lebanon. My history, up to that point, even though I was an American, was Lebanon. It meant letting go of my home, my friends, my life to try and chisel out of what seemed impossible granite a whole new life. When I arrived back to the US after so many years, I didn't even know what Tylanol was! The learning curve was exponential. And just think, I have learned to contact folks at Astroworld.

So much good news here tonight! Does my heart good.
Teresa, About t Saturn conj. pluto. Mine is @ 29o Cancer, ( 2nd house) 1 degree before your Mother's. t saturn is on my pluto from July 10 - 16 ( adjust for Dell Horoscope's ephemeris.) I shattered Saturday, and am still trying to put the pieces back together.
So I had a look back to 1975, last time this aspect was in effect. I shattered then too. Saturn over the ASc 20 gemini, happened in 1972, setting me free from my marriage. In the process, my husband acted as match maker, handing me over to my "soulmate" giving him the responsibility for my wellbeing!
He took it seriously given the strange events that unfolded! Providing me woith work & clients & admiration for my talent!
He divorced his wife and I thought we'd be together, but when saturn hit that pluto; his old high school sweetheart MANIPULATED him into marrying her. 2 years later, when he was in the hospital, she moved out with all the furniture.
We remained friends, until he died ( 1994?) He was ill & out of the country & the telepathic connection ceased.
I have felt his presence in the past few days for the first time since 1994!
This time around saturn crossing my ASC marked the end of my stint as AmeriCorps*VISTA ( June 2002) setting me FREE to pursue my art again! Odd isn't it that it should represent freedom? But then with mars in capricorn, saturn is my taskmaster, teacher and support system.
I think the first saturn on pluto ( 1945) had more to do with the adults in my life. Were sales in the family business ( inexpensive mail order wallpaper) down because of the war? I can remember my Grandfather bemoaning that we were headed for the "poor house"! ( I should be so poor today!)
What a valuable insight! First pluto shatters then saturn teaches!
Now I will go back get the popcorn ready ( while some of you are singing) abnd read the political postings.
PQ

Sorry, I'mmmm baaaackkk...
My Mercury says it has been waiting for this for a long time, and it will not stop gathering info... not yet, so here's one more. Sen Lautenberg accuses Rove of TREASON... (I do too, but I'm not a US Senator!)

http://liberalstreetfighter.com/ee/index.php?/fist/more/enjoying_it_while_it_lasts/

Beasley and Pat, I was touched by your stories --thanks so much for sharing them (going from being a psychologist to an actor...how interesting and appropriate). Like everyone else here, you both have been through so many life changes, and you bring SO, SO much to this board. I can't imagine living through the kind of ongoing war you went through, Beasley, although so many are going through the same thing everyday, may G-d help them. Somehow, I don't think I could take it very graciously at this point in my life. May God bless you, bring you strength, humor and grace, and smile upon you,as well as Jo, Laurie, and everyone else here.

Pluto shatters and Saturn teaches. You might add that Uranus keeps us flexible, moving and alive with its sudden changes and transitory relationships. I looked back to the last time Saturn transited Leo and I particularly remember landing a prestigious job (social worker for the welfare office - Leo in 2nd house) and spending lots of wonderful, quality time with my dear, beautiful mother (Leo moon). The years before that were doozies emotionally between my mom's mental health issues and the breakups with my first love who served as a life raft to me (there was so much HEALTH in his world). I looked up the aspects and now understand more of what was happening. At the time, I didn't know astrology and it was just life happening. But more than that, I didn't understand myself and my emotions and had lots of highs and lows, pain and joy -- which seeme to inspire my creativity and kept me dependent on others for my happpiness, totally normal for a Pisces stellum, including Venus, and a young woman. Now I am far more empowered by understanding my feelings and making better chooses. It's not as enlivening and I don't seem to feel as deeply, but I feel more in control and more positive -- that's the trade-off. Maybe that's why I learned astrology, to help understand and control the forces around me. Anyway, as I anticipate the coming transits of Saturn, Uranus, Pluto, I know they will be different because I am different, and, just possibly, they will be easier. It's almost never what we expect, so Jo (& Beasley) are right about just living and being in the moment.

Peace to all,
Sharon

Thank you Sharon,

After so many years here, Astroworld has presented me with the only, and I mean ONLY, group of people who have enough empathy to realize what the war in Iraq really means to an Iraqi civilian. I believe that the civilians of any war are the true heros. Turn of electricity, water, no food supplies, no medical supplies, random shelling, bombs, terror squads gone amuck...incredible heat...you get the picture. I have rarely run into so many articulate empathizers.
So bravo Astroworld people. And thanks.

jm,

Thanks yesterday for the heads up re Lautenberg on Raw Story. There comes a tipping point, and as yesterday's press gaggle showed, it is (I hope and instinctively feel) finally here. The smelling salts have belatedly arrived and Americans as well as the (admittedly few) deluded Bush supporters overseas can finally wake up now and see how close we have come (and there is still danger I am sure) to becoming a fascist/police state.

Thank you, Beasley. I feel the same way about AW. Now I wish we could teach my husband to be more of an empathizer (although he surprises me when he's does show empathy). On a lighter note, I heard the radio reading service today reading an article or book about how women, especially when married, expect their men to not only be strong, good providers, troubleshooters, etc., but they now want them to be their confidant and soulmate, a role once delegate to solely their girlfriends. Again, it was emphasized that men just don't know what the hell you're talking about. Now, my husband is pretty good compared to those men, and he can even be a good listening and really cares about people, and goes out of his way to help and support others much of the time, but I would not exactly call him an empathizer! People seem to feel this is a skill that can be learned, but I'm not so sure.

Empathy can be learned, Sharon. Trust me. Sometimes, it just takes a while. A long while. But the will and patience to learn it must be present.

Has anyone done a chart on the space shuttle launch? I don't have a good feeling about it!

Below is a well written letter to the American Public!
Letter to America
by Eve Ensler
(Saturday July 09 2005)

I need you to wake up. The house is on fire and you are still sleeping, lulled by the intoxication of smoke and mirrors. I need you to wake up and I know that shaking you, scaring you will only make you cling to your sleep and sleep more.
more...................
http://world.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/16577
PS........my tarot card for this month was the devil! Picked Jan 2 2005! How appropriate for Saturn conj pluto!!
QP

The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree... when you enter office (Bush 2000) with Nixon and Iran Contra Retreads, what do you get? 'Obstruction of Justice' ---

Adios Mr. Cheney, Mr. Rove. [do you really think the shrub can survive?]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4080946

Nine months after he was inaugurated, VP Agnew resigned (October 10, 1973) --- took almost another year to get Nixon out (Aug 8 1974).

Rove is playing the part John Mitchell played, in the Dirty Tricks department.

Timeline:

Feb 1972
John Mitchell resigned as attorney general to become director of the Committee to Re-elect the President (CREEP).

June 19, 1972
A GOP security aide is among the Watergate burglars, The Washington Post reports. Former attorney general John Mitchell, head of the Nixon reelection campaign, denies any link to the operation. Post Story

September 29, 1972
John Mitchell, while serving as attorney general, controlled a secret Republican fund used to finance widespread intelligence-gathering operations against the Democrats, The Post reports. Post Story

October 10, 1972
FBI agents establish that the Watergate break-in stems from a massive campaign of political spying and sabotage conducted on behalf of the Nixon reelection effort, The Post reports.

November 7, 1972
Nixon is reelected

January 20: President Nixon is inaugurated for his second term.

January 22: All state laws preventing a woman's right to an abortion during the first three months are ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.

October 10, 1973: Spiro Agnew resigns as vice president of the United States after pleading nolo contendere to a count of tax-evasion.

December 6, 1973: Confirmed by the Senate, Gerald R. Ford becomes the first unelected vice-president of the United States.

July 27, 1974
House Judiciary Committee passes the first of three articles of impeachment, charging obstruction of justice. Post Story

August 8, 1974

Richard Nixon becomes the first U.S. president to resign. Vice President Gerald R. Ford assumes the country's highest office. He will later pardon Nixon of all charges related to the Watergate case. Post Story

The following year Mitchell appeared in court over his role in the Watergate Scandal. On 21st February, 1975, Mitchell was convicted of conspiracy and obstruction of justice. He served 19 months at the minimum-security institution at Maxwell Air Force Base in Alabama before being released for medical reasons.

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ironic that Mitchell served time in Alabama - the very place GWB refused to serve time - in the Nat'l Guard...

Pressure grows as Pentagon misses deadline on troop levels
By Bryan Bender, Globe Staff | July 12, 2005

WASHINGTON -- The Bush administration yesterday came under more pressure to outline the number of American forces that may need to stay in Iraq over the next two years after the Pentagon failed to meet a 60-day deadline set by Congress to provide a detailed plan for training Iraqis and for likely US troop levels.

The report to Congress, due yesterday, was required under the $80 billion war spending legislation approved in May. It is intended to help answer one of the most pressing questions hanging over the American-led occupation: when the United States might be able to begin drawing down the estimated 140,000 forces in Iraq.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/07/12/pressure_grows_as_pentagon_misses_deadline_on_troop_levels/

Sorry about the long link... didn't notice it... in a hurry to take boys swimming... Namaste

Light to you Beasley... I recall your posting months ago with the assassination... you've done very positive things with your transits... you are a shining example for many of us... and this entity will always shake the cages for the illegal invasion of Iraq and the destabilization of the Middle East in general. Namaste

http://www.gregpalast.com/printerfriendly.cfm?artid=444

MR. ROVE AND THE ACCESS OF EVIL
Tell us your "source," Judy
Not published in The New York Times
Tuesday, July 12, 2005
By Greg Palast

The only thing more evil, small-minded and treasonous than the Bush Administration's jailing Judith Miller for a crime the Bush Administration committed, is Judith Miller covering up her Bush Administration "source."

Judy, Karl Rove ain't no "source." A confidential source -- and I've worked with many -- is an insider ready to put himself on the line to blow the whistle on an official lie or hidden danger. I would protect a source's name with my life and fortune as would any journalist who's not a craven jerk (the Managing Editor of Time Magazine comes to mind).

But the weasel who whispered "Valerie Plame" in Miller's ear was no source. Whether it was Karl Rove or some other Rove-tron inside the Bush regime (and no one outside Bush's band would have had this information), this was an official using his official info to commit a crime for the sole purpose of punishing a real whistleblower, Joseph Wilson, Plame's husband, for questioning our President's mythological premise for war in Iraq.

New York Times reporter Miller and her paper would rather she go to prison for four months than identify their "source." Why?

Oh, and now the GOP/Ken Mehlman are saying that MOVEON.org is behind this attack on Rove....muahhaaaahahahahaha.....
my my they are desperate.

Raw story talking points on discrediting Wilson....http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Exclusive_GOP_talking_points_on_Rove_seek_to_discre_0712.html

WV....on the Judy Miller story/Plame outing, I wonder how long before the backlash from the reporters comes? Surely the majority of good reporters know the differences which Palast points out....twisted, isn't it?

thank you Sharon, this is what I am going through right now: " Now I am far more empowered by understanding my feelings and making better chooses. It's not as enlivening and I don't seem to feel as deeply, but I feel more in control and more positive -- that's the trade-off." I'm not quite there yet, it's still hard for me to consciously say "NO- that's not what I want" but I feel its beginnings and in reading your words I have faith that it is as it should be. I've learned alot on this thread that I'm just now reading, thanks everyone.

* Pressure grows as Pentagon misses deadline on troop levels

WASHINGTON -- [rezaholic regime] yesterday came under more pressure to outline the number of [ameriCO] forces that may need to stay in Iraq over the next 2 yrs after the Pentagon failed to meet a 60-dy deadline set by Congress to provide a detailed plan for training Iraqis & for likely US troop levels.

The report to Congress, due yesterday, was required under the $80 bn war spending lege approved in May. It is intended to help answer one of the most pressing questions hanging over the [ameriCO]-led occupation: when the US might be able to begin drawing down the est'd 140,000 forces in Iraq.

The WH & Pentagon are facing rising calls from Dems & [necroporn]s for a more detailed strategy in Iraq--calls that grew louder yesterday. "I am deeply disappointed that [regime] failed to comply with this initial ... deadline," Rep Martin T Meehan, a Lowell Dem & sr member of the Armed Services Committee, told ... [rummy] in a letter. "It is long past due for [regime] to provide Congress with meaningful info to evaluate our progress in Iraq." ... http://tinyurl.com/8gzqo

* Army study: US facing hard choices - Lack of GIs may force cut in mission goals

WASHINGTON -- [rummy] has consistently rejected any contention that the Army is stretched too thin in fighting simultaneous wars in Iraq/Afghanistan. But a new Army study has concluded the service is so strained that the US will soon "need to decide what military capabilities the Army shld have & what risks may be prudent to assume."

Numerous critics & outside defense policy grps have warned that the fighting in Iraq/Afghanistan has taxed the Army so badly that it will have difficulty meeting any new crises elsewhere, but the new assessment comes from an in-house undertaking prepared by the RAND Corp's Arroyo Ctr, the Army's federally funded research institute.

"The challenge the Army faces is profound," sr RAND analyst Lynn Davis, lead author of the report, said in a statement accompanying the study. "Any approach is fraught with risks & uncertainties, along with significant costs & some possible changes in the Army's long-term goals." ... http://fairuse.1accesshost.com/news3/chtr20.htm

Bernard J. Ebbers, the founder and former chief executive of WorldCom, was sentenced to 25 years in prison today for his role in an $11 billion accounting fraud that brought down the telecommunications company in 2002.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/13/business/13WIRE-EBBERS.html?oref=login

KKK should have gotten a degree from at least one of those colleges he attended... he might have learned that "ignorance" is not excuse... and in the Plame case, 'that dog won't hunt'!!!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/13/101613/514

Have many wives does Plame have, anyway?!? ;O)

Sharon, is your husband's sun in an air sign? As a cool (cold?) Aquarius my husband (an emotional Cancer) sometimes quoted Thurber's "13 Clocks" to me when I had said something he thought particularly chilling: "And the Duke's hands were cold, cold."

A local very good Astrologer here once gave a lecture in which he said he found Aquarius the most difficult sign to understand: "they are supposed to care about humanity--but they can say to somebody who is wounded, 'don't bleed on me'." Gosh, I understand it.
Sometimes a person who can stand back is more effective in a time of trouble than someone who is in sync feeling every twinge.

There is a Full Moon next week....

Lisa Dale Miller

http://www.astrowisdom.com/thisfullmoon.htm

Compassion confused with martyrdom can lead to Fundamentalism. Most religions seem to go this way. They are all out of balance for the human experience in a body. We need experiences in the body to know how and when to say 'no, no more'. Jihadists of all faiths seem to put the living power of conciousness of the all outside of themselves. That is why they most likely become porno puritans, butting into other people's lives, acting out so much repressed energy by denying a big psychic part of themselves (their physical bodies).

Found a new site with some good reads.
http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/

Jill G

Hey Barbara-
As a fellow Aquarius, I thought you might enjoy this---some astrologer online described the transit of Chiron into Aquarius as being "sensitivity training" for us water-bearers.

Not sure what that means, but lately it seems more of my female friends have come to me seeking translations/explanations for male behaviors.....(of which,I must add, I am by no means an expert, but I have observed a great deal of them and their actions.....)

And, another astrologer referred to that "don't bleed on me" thing when they described us as loving PEOPLE, not necessarily PERSONS....

Keep up the good posts people, I'm lurking and enjoying them when I'm not posting....

QUICK HIT: Bolton Update...

From Steve Clemons’s The Washington Note comes an update and a link to the WaPo today… Clemons, the Wapo and a snip from a TWN reader he quotes, all offer some cheer.

Biggest cheer: Rove, no matter what, is a bit occupied (please, somebody invade Rove and set fire to his poisoned innards)

From Clemons:

What is important about the Bolton nomination at this point is not the battle between Senators Biden, Dodd, Voinovich, Boxer, and others with the White House. That has played out.
What is interesting now are Bolton’s efforts to keep his nomination alive within the administration.

So far, they seem to be slamming him down—and Karl Rove is not available to offer “expressions of confidence” in Mr. Bolton as he has in the past.

http://liberalstreetfighter.com/ee/index.php?/fist/more/quick_hit_bolton_update/

just got this joke from a friend--a bit mean-spirited, perhaps, but I chuckled in spite of myself.....

George Bush was out jogging one morning along the
parkway when he tripped, fell over the bridge railing and landed in the creek below.

Before the Secret Service guys could get to him, three kids who were fishing pulled him out of the water. He was so grateful he offered to give the kids anything they wanted.

The first kid said, "I sure would like to go to
Disneyland." George said, "No problem. I'll take you there on Air Force One."

The second kid said, "I really need a new pair of Nike Air Jordans." George said, "I'll get them for you and even have Michael sign them!"

The third kid said, "I want a motorized wheelchair with a built-in TV and
stereo headset!!" George Bush is a little perplexed by this and says, "But
you don't look like you are handicapped."

The kid says, "I will be after my dad finds out I saved your ass from drowning!"

The label of Catholic terror was never used about the IRA

Fundamentalism is often a form of nationalism in religious disguise

Karen Armstrong

We cannot hope to convert Osama bin Laden from his vicious ideology; our priority must be to stem the flow of young people into organisations such as al-Qaida, instead of alienating them by routinely coupling their religion with immoral violence. Incorrect statements about Islam have convinced too many in the Muslim world that the west is an implacable enemy.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9465.htm

http://snipurl.com/g8hm

128,000 Iraqi civilian casualties:

An Iraqi humanitarian organization is reporting that 128,000 Iraqis have been killed since the U.S. invasion began in March 2003.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9460.htm

http://snipurl.com/g8hp

It's a terrible stain on us that 128,000 Iraquis have been killed. What are we doing there?????

You're welcome, Peg. It makes me feel good to know that my experiences in life can help you. I forgot to mention all the therapy I've been through, and the fact that I've been on a low dosage anti-depressant most of the last 10 years. Can't cheat! The therapy has helped a great deal, especially one therapist who, like my mother actually, kept trying to get me to put myself first because if I don't, who will??? The anti-depressant definitely has helped keep me level but I still am pretty emotionally. That's why I try to keep it at the lowest therapeutic does I can. I used to take Zoloft and am now on Wellbutrin.

Sharon

that's pretty "emotional," but that's a good thing, it means I'm alive!!! I'm also somewhat into meditation, no longer have to work a 40 hr. week, commuting 1 hr. each way, and that all helps, too.

Cooper to Disclose Grand Jury Testimony in 'Time'
Matthew Cooper

By E&P Staff

Published: July 13, 2005 3:15 PM ET

NEW YORK Time's magazine's Matt Cooper today testified to a grand jury that White House aide Karl Rove was a source for a story about a CIA operative that has investigators deciding whether any laws were broken by the leak of the agent's identity.

Cooper told E&P late today, "I'm allowed to talk about what happened in the Grand Jury and plan to write about it." When asked when it might appear, he said, "soon, but I don't know when."

After more than two hours of testimony, Cooper addressed reporters outside the courtroom. "It is my hope to get back to being a normal journalist on the other side of the microphones," Cooper said. "I hope to go back to Time magazine and write up an account of what took place here today and my story."

When Cooper was pressed, he responded, "But I'm not going to do it here, right now. ... I'm not going to scoop myself today."

Cooper said he hoped his testimony would speed up the grand jury's investigation, which would allow The New York Times' Judith Miller to be released from jail.

He confirmed that his source on the leak was Deputy Chief of Staff Rove, one of President Bush's most trusted advisers and the man credited with Bush's four consecutive campaign victories.

The waiver that freed Cooper to cooperate with the grand jury was signed by Rove's attorney, Robert Luskin. Cooper's attorney, Richard Sauber, was on hand Wednesday to pass out photocopies of the waiver to reporters.

http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000978699

"An Iraqi humanitarian organization is reporting that 128,000 Iraqis have been killed since the US invasion began in March 2003."

Now. I wonder what the numbers are since "sanctions" etc... particularly the children.

Pink supremacist malebots LOVE the word "sanctions" since it bespeaks of "sanctuary," "sacred"... all the notions that the pink supremacist malebots are not.

Joanna,

July 21, 2000 at 1:23 PM ET by Reuters
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UN Says Sanctions Have Killed Some 500,000 Iraqi Children
BAGHDAD - A senior U.N. official said Friday about half a million
children under the age of 5 have died in Iraq since the imposition of
U.N. sanctions 10 years ago.

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Statement of the
Head of the Iraqi Delegation

H.E. Dr. Fahad Al-Shagra
Minister of Education of the Republic of Iraq

To the Special Session of the General Assembly on the Child

New York May 8-10 2002

~snip~

"...The children of Iraq and the Iraqi people are the subject of the crime of the century on the hand of "humanity protectors" in their usage of Depleted Uranium where it used more than 950,000 bombs against Iraq. Such usage surpassed in its horrific consequences what happened in Nagasaki and Hiroshima."

----------
Note: the above statement was made in 2002, BEFORE the invasion of March 18, 2003 which has brought the amount of Depleted Uranium to the equivalent of 240,000 Hiroshimas...

at the time of the invasion, more than 1/2 of the Iraqi population were children, under the age of 15... many organizations estimate the number of Iraqi citizens killed in 2003 during shock 'n awe to be tens of thousands, some saying 100,000

not only were the Iraqis deprived of food and medicine, they were bombed daily by way of the Anglo (USA & Brit) throughout the 'no fly zone'
prior to the invasion

NOT IN MY NAME, NOT IN MY NAME

From the press release:

"All Democrats on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) today joined Congressman John F. Tierney (D-MA), the only New England Member of HPSCI, to call on President George Bush to revoke White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove’s security clearances and access to classified information. In a letter to the President, all nine Democrats on the Committee urged him to take immediate action."
The letter [PDF format] is signed by all Democrats on the committee, including Rep. Jane Harman and Rep. Rush Holt.

A couple hours ago, I watched on C-SPAN as Rep. Holt spoke on the floor of the House along with Wash. state Rep. Jay Inslee, a longtime friend of former Ambassador Joseph Wilson. Rep. Inslee organized the forum at which Amb. Wilson first suggested that Karl Rove be "frog-marched" out of the White House.

OUR JOB: Spread the word on this. There isn't a single news story on this press conference, release, or letter via Google or Yahoo news searches.

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2005/7/13/184319/755

Hardball says Bush 'trustworthy' poll down to 41%
Nora O'Donnell mentioned this on Tweety's show and this was just about the public's view of his overall veracity, not specifics like the war or anything else. Simply amazing !

---- Poster at DU

[does anyone have a link to a new poll?)

* WH Press Corps Rips McClellan Over Rove For 3rd Day.

McCLELLAN: "I think we've exhausted discussion on this the last couple of days."

REPORTER: "You haven't even scratched the surface. It hasn't started."

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000978837

* The Big Lie About Valerie Plame. And Remember as the Grand Hypocrisy Party Benedict Arnolds Parrot Msg Points Written by Rove, IT WAS THE CIA WHO REQUESTED THE CULPRIT(S) WHO OUTED VALERIE PLAME BE FOUND & PROSECUTED. [bushaDruggie] & Rove, Among Other WH Staffers, Are Con't to Betray the Natl Interests of the US of [ameriCO]. Well, that last part's okay since it's ameriCO... not America. ;O) ]

http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/7/13/04720/9340

* bush honesty rating drops to lowest pt NBC/WSJ poll: Iraq replaces jobs as most important American priority

The last 2 wks certainly have been eventful ones in America & across the globe: [rez] gave a prime-time speech on Iraq & attended a G-8 summit in Scotland; Sandra Day O’Connor announced her retirement from the SC (with perhaps another retirement on the way); & suicide bombers killed approximately 50 people in London. After these events, the latest NBC News/Wall St Jn poll finds that bush’s overall job rating has slipped & that his rating for being “honest & straightforward” has dropped to its lowest point. ...

...41% give bush good marks for being “honest & straightforward” — his lowest ranking on this question since he became [rez]. That’s a drop of 9 percentage pts since Jan, when a majority (50% to 36%) indicated that he was honest & straightforward. This finding comes at a time when [rez regime] is battling the perception that its rhetoric doesn’t match the realities in Iraq, & also allegations that chief political adviser Karl Rove leaked sensitive info about a CIA agt to a reporter. (The survey, however, was taken just before these allegations about Rove exploded into the current controversy.) ... con't http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8561443/

Jo, this is good news if this poll is accurate. I always though that trust was going to become the next big issue. A search for honesty.

If anyone tries to predict what Saturn in Leo will bring and starts by saying how Saturn in Cancer has failed, then I am highly suspect.
Saturn in cancer has done a fine job. We have overcome a lot of our fear and are able to face the failure of this administration in maintaining our security. This poll is good enough considering it's on the heels of terror. That means it will decline further. When a security leak overpowers a bombing then the priorities are becoming clear.

I feel a definite shift in the tendency for the people to cower in the face of this government. Progress is slow but I think some lessons have been learned.

"REPORTER: "You haven't even scratched the surface. It hasn't started."

Well, well, well, JoannaOregon. I believe it. Equal and opposite.

And here'e our 29 Saturn calling:

"All Democrats on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) today joined Congressman John F. Tierney (D–MA), the only New England Member of HPSCI, to call on President George Bush to revoke White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove’s security clearances and access to classified information. In a letter to the President, all nine Democrats on the Committee urged him to take immediate action."

Thy will be done.

JM,

Joanna gave a link for the poll in the post after mine... NBC/WallSt --- both buddies of Bush! So, I would say it is 'honest' --- at least 41, maybe less! (btw, we're talking more than a 'security leak' --- we're talking about someone who serves in a POLITICAL capacity (Rove) having access to classified information... (where did he get that - d'uh!) and then not only divulging the info, but exploiting it to gain POLITICALLY...

I think that spells T-R-E-A-S-O-N... under the Espionage Act, it does indeed... I read today that Fitzgerald has called Ari Fleischer, who has refused to comment (also... sounds like they're building that stonewall of Nixon era)

Yeayyyyy --- thanks Joanna

What shld [rez] do about the Newsweek revelation that Karl Rove talked to a reporter about a CIA official's identity?

Nothing 2.3%

Wait for an investigation to end 3.9%

Suspend Rove 7.9%

Fire Rove 85.5%

Don't care or unsure 0.4%

Total Votes: 4747

Go vote!! http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/232103_roved.asp

I'm sure of it, Jo. Fitzgerald has been working on this for a long time.

The Fall of Kings.

YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!

ROVE BEGONE!

By the way, dear friend and ally Jo...

Your spelling is excellent!

Not much but a small step in the right direction.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050714/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/patriot_act

from Bloomberg:

Rove's Role in Spy Inquiry Reverberates Throughout Capital

~snip~

"...Rove is not the only potential subject for Fitzgerald's probe, which already has resulted in the jailing of New York Times reporter Judith Miller for refusing to reveal her sources and Time magazine being forced to turn over notes about confidential sources, including Rove, to a grand jury.

People familiar with the inquiry say Fitzgerald also is reviewing testimony by former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer, though it is not clear whether the prosecutor is focusing on him or seeking information about higher-ups. Fleischer last night refused to comment.

Other Bush aides who have testified to the grand jury or been questioned by prosecutors include McClellan; Rove; former Deputy Press Secretary Adam Levine; Lewis ``Scooter'' Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff; and Dan Bartlett, a Bush communications adviser.

Bush himself was questioned by Fitzgerald in the Oval Office on June 24, 2004.

`Something Serious'

Randall Eliason, the former chief of the public corruption section of the U.S. Attorney's office in Washington, said the fact that Fitzgerald pursued Cooper and Miller so aggressively suggests that he has a legal target in sight. It is rare for a federal prosecutor to seek jail for a reporter who refuses to reveal sources, he said.

``You wouldn't expect him to go to these lengths unless he thought he had something serious to look at,'' Eliason said. ``You don't compel reporters to testify or jail reporters unless you have a pretty good reason. This is not something you do lightly.''

Eliason said Fitzgerald could be pursuing a perjury or obstruction of justice charge rather than a prosecution under the 1982 law that makes it a crime to reveal the name of a covert operative. He said that for an indictment under that law, Plame would have had to have been a covert operative, Rove would have had to have known she was covert, and information about her status would have to be classified."

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aPAumGLz.W9M&refer=top_world_news

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Rove/DSM/Bolton, same thing - throw in the Franklin espionage matter that Sy Hersh reported on... the stovepiping of intelligence... and Judith Miller Chalabi... and you have a 'potful' of mess, right up to Cheney and Bush and 'straight onto morning' as Peter Pan would say... (JM can you crow like Peter?)

Jo, I'll work on it. Pronto!

Right now I'm going to dance out into the summer evening like Tinkerbell and try like hell to be patient.

Be back shortly.

2 more links to investigative info on Rove --- that is, if you don't have a life and are looking for heavy reading mat'l... LOL

http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2005/07/plame__stovepip_1.html

http://littleskyblog.blogspot.com/

Click the following to access the sent link:

Don't Be Surprised to See Karl Rove on Larry King, then Charlie Rose (by Stan Moore) - Media Monitors Network (MMN)*

This is the link....
http://world.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/16706

well Sharon, Garry, and Aquarians, I feel pretty good then about my up & down journey- managed to do it all so far and still here to enjoy more. My overwhelmed Leo sensitivities wanted to shut it out, hence the blood pressure problems (desire to cease learning), but I see this as a method to achieve balance. In a karmic reading I had, I was told that the Gods wanted me to address my egoism by learning the Aquarian detachment in order to better serve as a model by which to learn. So take heart, we all get there one way or another. So much more funner when you have others to discuss these quandries:)

Hey all--

I, like you, am amazed that for the 3rd day in a row, our press has been doing their job, attacking little Scotty like the pitbulls they should have been for the last almost 5 years, and it's good to see those smug bastards in the White House playing defense for a change.

However, my cynical side says that Rove has been chosen to fall on his sword in public-----for all intents and purposes, the investigation has not changed much lately(it's ongoing, as Scotty repeats to himself like a mantra, and we have some testimonies yet to be taken and Judy Chalabi in jail, where she belongs), BUT---this whole sudden focus on Rove's leak has all but obliterated coverage of the Downing Street Memos---remember those?

I, as much or more than anyone else, do NOT want Rove fired, I want him tried and sentenced and made immune from pardon(we all realize this is going to end in pardons, right?) and in the meantime, I want his security clearance revoked in the name of national security. But, I can't help but think the little evil pig planned this to blow up and take the building steam around the DSM off the front pages. Maybe I've worn my tinfoil hat too tightly, but at this point, I wouldn't put anything past these "people"(and I use that term loosely).......

Garry,

Bush hired an attorney June of 2004. Rove testified before the Grand Jury just weeks before the election. Cooper and Miller would not give up source(s), would not testify, took this long to bring them kicking and screaming to where they are. We want the BIG fish --- Cheney, first, then Bush... Rove should be fired NOW... indicted later. [well, that's my dream, I'm sure you have your own...]

I'm looking at the 2nd full moon in Cap --- tSaturn in Leo... anybody know where Nemesis is? Claudia factors her in...

I'm counting on a pit bull in the dog days of August, dragging a cowboy from the brush and his recreational activities in Crawford to face the music (crow JM!)

Miller could bring them all down...

http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/7/12/155834/147

I'm a-crowin!!

Yes, Rove should leave immediately and then on to trial. It's absolutely absurd. In wartime to have a person who threatened our security to be anywhere near the throne.
He's history. And it's a setup, so I'm sure the rest of them will follow.

Rove is so important to the operation. He is the most disciplined in staying ruthlessly on track and the key to administering the steady poison with his Capricorn stellium. He makes the decisions and gives the orders. The executor. I can't help but see chaos coming when he goes. That's why he's going first.

Don't worry about the DSM. There isn't a case yet. This is THE STORY because the case is clear and has been in the works for a long time. First things first, and Rove is the trigger that will send the wrecking ball in.

* BarrelsOfBlood.com

An increasing number of people around the world are talking about how much blood [bloodyRez regime] has on its hands. So as unpleasant & ghoulish as it may sound, we decided to figure out how much blood has actually been spilled because of the war in Iraq. And we decided to figure it out in barrels. Actually, barrels of oil ... Why barrels of oil? Because despite the numerous "reasons" we have heard from the "bushies" about why we invaded Iraq (WMD, Freedom, Democracy, Liberty, the War on Terror, "keeping the terrorists over there," etc. etc.), oil still seems to be the most likely reason. With that in mind, we thot we wld put the overwhelming scope of the death & devastation wrought by gw & company in Iraq in graphic terms they (& the people that still support this awful war) cld truly understand. But then again, maybe not ... sadly, probably never ...

Here's how we calculated the CURRENT [REZ REGIME]'S "BARRELS OF BLOOD" COUNT: PLEASE NOTE: All numbers used in this calculation have been linked to their online source when possible. ...

http://www.barrelsofblood.com

The DSM are still there, Garry. They're just waiting to be dusted off again if/when it proves necessary to do so. Remember how patient Congressman Conyers is. He is a solid Sun Taurus after all...

But first, Rove must fall. And his comeuppance is only the beginning. The trail of deceit, death and destruction runs up through Cheney's office, and most certainly to that twisted, vile excuse for a vice executive himself. I strongly suspect (and hope) that Cheney is the real target of Fitzgerald's investigation.

Makes sense, NEO, considering the grand cross Cheney is coming into.

It's also telling that Rove is the master manipulator of the public and his exit just when public opinion is lowering by the minute is interesting.

Scotty has become a babbling idiot, so their public relations are down the drain.

I think this Rove thing is the beginning of the end of the admin. I vaquely remember (and remember from US history) that members of the Nixon Admin. were picked off a little at a time, like Agnew resigned before Nixon.
Maybe this is what will happen with
Bush. Members of the admin. will resign or be forced out of office from the bottom up.

Bush's Saturn return will hit him hard. However, if Bush is forced to resign, this will just make future radical right-wingers even more violent and disqusting. Much like the "remember the alamo" sentiment with the GOP in the future even being more and more dictatorial and hard-handed in their desire to hold onto power.

The GOP really doesn't get any more chances after this episode, Travieso. At least not the party's present coalition form of "Christian" fundamentalists, Big Conglomerate Business, Neo-Conservatives and the willfully mindless FReepers. The faults between the factions exist, and for Bush's pathetic quagmire of a presidency, are growing wider and deeper all the time.

What's more, the religious element thankfully loses a good dose of its power and authority once Pluto leaves Sag in 2008. Pluto in Capricorn will empower the money machine/Corporations for awhile afterwards, but it will be rotting them to the core and to their eventual collapse and ruin at the same time.

The FReepers need to be forced to face reality, grow up and realize what a miserable, catastrophic failure their Boy King and his minions have been for all of humankind and our planet. The truth is going to hit them very, very hard during the next decade.

I seriously doubt if anyone will be caught dead trying to defend Bush after the energy crisis hits us with full force, and his regime gets all of the blame for knowing what was coming but failing to act in our best interests. They knew, but opted instead to empty the treasury, bankrupt the country and embark on a wild spending spree that really only profited Cheney's Halliburton and the Defense/Death Merchants.

Who knows how many railways, solar panels, wind turbines and other alternative energy/transport systems we could be building right now with all of the money that Iraq has cost us? As it stands now, we'll be very lucky if the Chinese can afford to bail us out of our impending crisis/misery.

It's quite fascinating.

Neptune sits on top of our country's chart at 22 degrees Virgo. It rules the Pisces interception in our 3rd house of communication and the propensity toward fantasy and deception that is our nature. Pluto is making its last square right now finally bringing long hidden truths to view. The media lockdown that is dissolving actually fueled the power of the truth emerging now. It's got the people's attention and will probably increase. Pluto will turn direct in September and pass the Neptune in October. Fact and fiction are all pouring out and will be analysed and categorized by our Virgo Neptune ruthlessly and just in the nick of time.

Yet still, with our Neptunian love of story, this will entertain as an espionage, international intrigue thriller. Murder(war) and treason included, but short on romance.

And of course, all the world's a stage as this part Greek drama, Shakespearean tragedy, mystery thriller, and carnival freak show is enacted for the audience as Saturn enters Leo.

No matter what happens things should rev up. Saturn's going into Leo's territory as a visitor, and Leo is hot and energetic. It'll probably excite the old guy.

But one thing to keep in mind.

Leo is supreme male potency and dominance.

We could use Saturn to rein that in a tad.

Nixon's atty General, John Mitchell, stepped down to become re-election campaign manager of CREEP (as fate would have it, an appropriate anocrym)... when the plumber's escapades at Watergate hit light, Mitchell denied any knowledge (shades of Rove today)...

Not to fear... Mitchell was convicted on charges of conspiracy and obstruction of justice...

Fitzgerald is going for 'conspiracy' charges, and his net is big... Plame was part of the administration's attempt to 'fix intelligence around the Iraq War' - Downing Street Memo... it all is part and parcel of same 'conspiracy' [note: this one is truly a 'conspiracy' --- wherein folks CONSPIRE to bring about an objective, an illegal war --- unlike those they label 'conspiracies' --- like what really happened on 9/11 and 7/7 and countless other times... truth is never a conspiracy... on the other hand, COVER-UP is a conspiracy...

Plame outing was a COVER-UP perpetrated by the fascists. What is going on today at the behest of Rove, is another COVER-UP ("he didn't reveal her name," etc., lies upon lies) to cover-up the COVER-UP.

The criminals in Watergate and Iran-Contra were pardoned and protected by Poppy's efforts through Gerald Ford and Poppy himself... today Joe Wilson (who is NOBODY's fool --- but who has been and will protect his wife, will read a letter he has from President No. 41 (dated 2002)... let's see what that is all about... enter stage left, Poppy (or maybe he never left?)

Several of you have lately been referring to the 60s and the impact of Pluto in Leo people in this country. I think you will enjoy this.
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/Chicago7/Hoffman.html

No Poppy never left! He's been stirring the poisen pot for most of my lifetime!
Had a "larvae" ( not yet hatched! when it does it'll be a roach) make a delivery to my yard this AM
He sat in his big truck, with it RUNNING 6' from my house wall. When I asked if he was going to turn it off, to save fuel, his response? It comes out of my boss'es pocket, I'm not paying for it. My response "Oh; not with 1,700 American lives?" At which he started spewing pablum about shaking hands with uniformed military in the street & saying "don't talk politics to me!"
Why don't we start a campaign of calling in to the Rush Limbaugh show on a daily basis? My Senators don't need any more calls; they are aware, doing what they can.
Well I;'m off to 'cut brush". The guy that's doing my leach field did one for Martha Stewart in Seal's Harbor Maine.
It's going to look nice; & I get 33% more yard, because he is utilizing & partially filling, a gully that had trash brush growing in it & eroded every spring!
PQ

Cover Story
Canada Free Press
Kissinger advisor for Unocal and CNOOC
By Judi McLeod
Wednesday, July 13, 2005

Toronto-- Tomorrow is D-Day for the People's Republic of China gaining a toehold in the American business world.

Thursday is the day when the battle between Chevron corp. and CNOOC over Unocal Corp. is set to come to a head with the U.S. company’s board due to decide whether to back the Chinese group’s US$18.5-billion bid and withdraw support for Chevron’s US$16.6-billion cash-and-share offer, says the Financial Times.

"The Unocal board’s decision is crucial to the outcome of CNOOC’s attempt to challenge Chevron–a move that has sparked a barrage of opposition from U.S. politicians."

CNOOC’s offer will be the subject of a hearing in Washington today before the house armed services committee.

Missing from the takeover battle–the first of this scale by a communist Chinese company--is the due diligence of the mainline media.

Unreported conflicts of interest in the CNOOC/Chevron Corp. battle royale over Unocal Corp. are rife. They’re right up there with Paul Volcker’s conflicts of interest as team leader of the "independent" investigation into the UN oil-for-food scandal.

It starts but doesn’t finish with Dr. Henry Kissinger, former U.S. Secretary of State. Kissinger was an advisor for Unocal. Kissinger is also on the advisory board for CNOOC.

Coincidentally enough, Kissinger was the one who convinced President Richard Nixon to forge the opening to China when it was being run by mass murderer Chairman Mao, and the rest, as they say, is history. Indeed it could be said that all of this is happening because of him.

Going a little deeper into this conflict of interest story, http://www.crai.com is another noted CNOOC advisor. As noted on their website, they advised Chevron Corp and Texaco–the now merged rivals to CNOOC.

They also advise CSX–the mammoth U.S. rail company that was headed by John Snow. Snow now heads the U.S. Treasury Department that must approve CNOOC’s hostile bid to take over Unocal.

"If Unocal decided to entertain the CNOOC offer, the deal would have to pass scrutiny of the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, headed by Treasury Secretary John Snow." (Joe McDonald, Associated Press, June 30, 2005).

Conflicts of interest run even deeper. CRA International represents Liberty Media, NBC, General Electric and Universal. Employed by them as a subsidiary of General Electric/NBC/Liberty Media is David Kissinger, son of Dr. Henry Kissinger.

Kissinger Jr. worked for the USA Television Production Group. He now works for Universal, also a client of CRA, International.

CRA also represents Crestco, who counts Neil Bush as a lobbyist, and they also represent the World Bank, which stood, shoulder to shoulder with Unocal in their dealings with the Taliban over the pipeline from the Caspian gas fields.

Standing behind this conflict of interest-fraught deal in the shadows is the Rothschild bank, and more noteworthy JP Morgan Chase, also helping CNOOC.

As Canada Free Press’s savvy letter writer Peter Herberg points out: "The People's Republic of China is not "rising", it is being lifted."

???? Canada Free Press founding editor Judi McLeod is an award-winning journalist with 30 years experience in the media. A former Toronto Sun and Kingston Whig Standard columnist, she has also appeared on Newsmax.com, the Drudge Report, Foxnews.com, and World Net Daily. ???

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2005/cover071305.htm

Pluto went into Leo August 4 1938. ( after Hoffman's birthday) remained there until Feb. 8 1939, when it retrograded back into cancer until June 1939.
I think this is an important detail. Being born in the retrograde portion, (May 4 1939, )I feel compelled to point it out. Many of the architects of the social revolution of the 60's were actually pluto in cancer people!
As a teen I was more comfortable with my parents peers than with my own pluto in leo group ( many of them June Cleaver types,) (Consider that leo is square to my taurus sun & scorpio moon)
My parents 1913 & 1915 had URANUS in aquarius, Mom's n node in aquarius, and they were free thinkers and open to new concepts.
Somthing to mull over today....
PQ

http://tinyurl.com/a6h7k

The True Believer : Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements (Perennial Classics) (Paperback)

http://tinyurl.com/a4xfv
"What a Ballot Is" ~ Andy Stephenson

http://tinyurl.com/ad5ma
The Stalking of Andy Stephenson

WARNING: It's the most vile thing you'll ever see in your life...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1402493/posts?q=1&&page=2001

http://www.opednews.com/fitrakis031804_silkwood_evoting.htm

Silkwood Redux?  Electronic Voting Whistle-Blower Killed in “Accident”

The subject line on yesterday's email read: "Another mysterious accident
solves a Bush problem. Athan Gibbs dead, Diebold lives." The attached
news story (http://www.tennessean.com/obits/archives/04/03/48330576.shtml)
briefly described the untimely Friday, March 12th death of perhaps
America's most influential advocate of a verified voting paper trail
in the era of touch screen computer voting. Gibbs, an accountant
for more than 30 years and the inventor of the TruVote system, died
when his vehicle collided with an 18-wheeled truck which rolled his
Chevy Blazer several times and forced it over the highway retaining
wall where it came to rest on its roof

More....

So Ebbers got his 25 years. One of the reasons I am in China is Ebbers destroyed my MCI job and stocks.
Well, I really like being in China.
So there.bjt

Most overused disgusting phrase imo: "I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but..."

In fact, conspiracies are probably the most abundant dynamic on the Planet.

http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=100480&lftnav=progressreport#3

Back to the Basics on Karl Rove

Over the past few days, the White House and its allies have been desperately trying to spin the real issues surrounding the actions of Karl Rove. To set the story straight, there are five key facts you need to know. Ultimately, Karl Rove has become "an embarrassment" for the White House and should do the President the courtesy of resigning. If he does not, President Bush needs to uphold his pledge and fire Karl Rove.

FACT #1 -- ROVE AND WHITE HOUSE HAVE REPEATEDLY LIED ABOUT ROVE'S ROLE IN THE LEAK: Asked on 9/29/03 whether he had "any knowledge" of the leak or whether he leaked the name of the CIA agent, Rove answered "no." He later said, "I didn't know her name. I didn't leak her name." Also on 9/29/03, White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, after having "spoken to Karl," asserted that "it is a ridiculous suggestion" to say Rove was involved in the leak.

FACT #2 -- PRESIDENT BUSH SAID HE WOULD FIRE ANYONE INVOLVED: Asked on 6/10/04 whether he stood by his pledge to "fire anyone" involved in the leak case, Bush answered, "yes." Bush has said, "When the President says something, he better mean it."

FACT #3 -- ROVE IDENTIFIED PLAME IN POSSIBLE VIOLATION OF LAW: At the very least, we know Rove identified the cover CIA agent Valerie Plame as "Wilson's wife" and that she worked after the "agency on wmd." Section 421 of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act targets anyone who "intentionally discloses any information identifying" a covert agent.

FACT #4 -- OUTING OF PLAME WAS RETRIBUTION AGAINST CRITIC OF IRAQ INTELLIGENCE: The Washington Post reported on 9/28/03: "[A] senior administration official said that before Novak's column ran, two top White House officials called at least six Washington journalists and disclosed the identity and occupation of Wilson's wife... 'Clearly, it was meant purely and simply for revenge,' the senior official said of the alleged leak.'"

FACT #5 -- WHITE HOUSE SILENT NOW BUT HAS SPOKEN PREVIOUSLY WHILE THE INVESTIGATION WAS ONGOING: McClellan has said that while the investigation is ongoing, "the White House is not going to comment on it." But on 10/1/03, McClellan also said, "There's an investigation going on" but spoke openly about Rove, saying "it's simply not true that he was involved in leaking classified information."

Links within text

http://tinyurl.com/bunee

Interview: Ambassador Wilson, husband of outed CIA agent, sees larger Administration role in leak

Reconstructing the leak

Raw Story’s Larisa Alexandrovna: Ambassador Wilson, much of the attention regarding the leaking of your wife’s identity has centered on the press and how the press obtained that information. I would like to start our discussion by focusing on the “other” side of the leak, in other words, how the leaked information was obtained. Obviously you may not be at liberty to answer some of these questions.

Ambassador Joseph Wilson: Right, but go ahead and ask the question and I will see what I can do.

More...

Fascinating posts, as usual. A few quick comments:

-- I think and hope that there are many more "sane" and balanced Republicans in this country than the merger of the right-wing Christian fundamentalists, Neo-cons & oil companies has lead us to believe. This latter group has been very agressive and vocal in taking the lead but I don't think they will prevail among Republicans in the long run.

-- Shylurker, thanks for posting that Abbie Hoffman transcript which I scanned. Ah, the ebullence and energy of youth! Myself & my other Pluto in Leo contemporaries were minor players but my friend's brother was a major player in the Students for a Democratic Society. (I think the fire signs were major activists in those days). The fact that the lawyers use the phrase in regard to the Chicago 7's antics "playing around," reminds us that Leo is very much present here. The entire movement was theatrical but had a life of its own. I wish that kind of living spirit emerges again, initiated, of course, by the young. What occurs to me though is that it is much more dangerous now and people innately sense it will be squealched by the government, as long as this crew is in power. I guess they have to go first. Let's all send LIGHT to Fitzgerald and hope that he is who we think he is!!!

-- Betsy, your comment about China is intriguing. I can just picture the Chinese government & businessmen gloating and licking their lips over what is happening in the U.S. Talk about patience! They will wait us out. It's interesting that, while what Pat has said is true about the dangerous, totalitarian government, everyday life must offer it's rewards, as Betsy feels positive about it. Maybe more of us will think about moving there?

Better Warm Up Ol' Sparky

Mark A.R. Kleiman raises the mindboggling possibility that Fitzgerald may go after Rove with an espionage indictment -- the same charge used to fry the Rosenbergs. Mark's reasoning, as usual, is very tight:

But Rove's conduct certainly meets the far less demanding elements of the Espionage Act: (1) possession of (2) information (3) relating to the national defense (4) which the person possessing it has reason to know could be used to damage the United States or aid a foreign nation and (5) wilful communication of that information to (6) a person not entitled to receive it.
Under the Espionage Act, the person doing the communicating need not actually know that revelation could be damaging; he needs only "reason to know." Classification is generally reason to know, and a security-clearance holder is responsible for knowing what information is classified.

Nor is it necessary that the discloser intend public distribution; if Rove told Cooper -- which he did -- and Cooper didn't have a security clearance -- which he didn't -- the crime would have been complete.

And to be a crime the disclosure need not be intended to damage the national security; it is only the act of communication itself that must be wilful.

It's also a crime to "cause" such information to be communicated, for example by asking someone else to do so.

Gulp. What's the matter, Karl? You look a little pale.

http://www.billmon.org/

http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2005/07/14/plame/print.html

Rove's war
Bush's right-hand man is dispatching his troops to smear Joe Wilson -- and save himself. He may win in Washington, but the special prosecutor will have the last word.

By Sidney Blumenthal

.................

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=arQwib0u4ioo&refer=us

Wilson's Original Iraq Assertions Hold Up Under Fire (Update1)

This from Mark A.R.Kleiman's site almost two years ago:

October 6, 2003

For those of you who have enjoyed the argument about whether revealing Valerie Plame's identity was a crime, I have bad news. The argument is over.

It was a crime. At least, it was if you believe the President of the United States. Here's the beginning of a story from Tuesday's New York Times.

Bush Toughens His Support of Investigation Into Leak
By ELISABETH BUMILLER

Published: October 7, 2003

WASHINGTON, Oct. 6 — President Bush said on Monday that the unauthorized disclosure of an undercover C.I.A. officer's identity was a "very serious matter" and "a criminal action" as the White House announced that at least 500 of its 2,000 employees had responded to a Justice Department demand for documents as part of an investigation into the source of the leak.

http://www.markarkleiman.com/archives/valerie_plame_/2003/10/game_over.php

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?emx=x&pid=5807

Mike Davis on a Paradise Built on Oil

Well, thanks for the reassurances all, esp. Sharon, Jo, JoannaO, Travieso, Neob, (and anyone else I may have carelessly ommitted).

I HAVE noticed the right wing echo chamber(SCUM) has ratcheted up their rhetoric by passing around that spurious "Cooper 'burned' Rove" story(that's story as in "LIE")---latest instance is from Susan Estrich at www.creators.com under the headline "Karl Rove Issue is Kind of Moot".....well, sure, I guess it is, Susan, compared to the greater atrocities committed by this "administration".......

personally, I'm stocking up on popcorn and raisinets.....let the show begin!!! Come on, Saturn in Leo, bring down the curtain and let the show begin!!

Namaste and white light to all......

Black Commentator is out this a.m. Check it out. Great pic/cartoon of split screen: "Al-Qaeda" terror in London/ US Terror in Fallujah [and some of us even question 'Al-Qaeda' PERIOD as that is a creation of USA CIA]

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White Supremacy is Incompatible with Civilization
by Jonathan Scott

Trapped up in the “white race” corral all the time, most Americans are not only oblivious to what’s happening in the world outside their own segregated block, but also, and for the same reason, prone to seeing everything in monoliths: good and evil; white and black; Arab and Jew; Christian and Muslim; the U.S. and the world; “us” vs. “them.” The only monolith they manage to skip over is the rich vs. the poor. Tony Blair just tried this distinctly white Americanism out on the British citizenry, just moments after the terrorist attacks of July 7 in London, talking fiercely, in his weasel-like manner, about “our way of life” against the faceless hordes of Muslim Barbarians on the march to destroy us all.

Immediately following the July 7 attacks, the U.S. news media assumed its customary role of official warmonger and spirited cheerleader for the Bush regime’s so-called war on terror. We need not elaborate. Thus, it was not surprising that hardly anybody went to the obvious: that the attacks were identical to the attacks in Madrid on March 11, 2004. In contrast, the BBC as well as the CBC drew the connection immediately, for several transparent reasons.

In both instances, an al-Qaeda secret organization took credit for attempting to force, by way of a shocking and paralyzing act of terror against the civilian population, an immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, and ultimately from the Arab world as a whole, including a withdrawal of Israeli troops from Palestinian West Bank and Gaza – an illegal occupation that remains impossible to sustain without U.S. military and financial backing. These Western troop withdrawals would be hastened by the immediate withdrawal of Spanish and then British troops.

http://www.blackcommentator.com/146/146_guest_scott_supremecy.html

http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2005/07/unsafe_for_democracy.html

Boy President in a Failed World?
How the president's fantasy version of the world is driving events (and us) in unnerving directions.

Saving Karl Rove
by Paul Waldman, TomPaine.com

Conservative hacks and pundits have begun their cynical defense of Bush's brain. Here's what they're planning.
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050714/saving_karl_rove.php

From the Tom Paine link:

snip

Saving Karl Rove
Paul Waldman
July 14, 2005

Paul Waldman is a senior fellow with Media Matters for America and a senior contributor to The Gadflyer.

Every administration has its share of scandals to deal with, and every one handles them in a slightly different way (of course, it helps if your party controls both houses of Congress, so there will be no pesky Congressional investigations to deal with). But the Bush administration’s furious effort to save Karl Rove and justify the outing of a covert CIA operative is a remarkable case study in misdirection, a campaign whose scaffolding of spin is plain for all to see.

Listen to the party hacks and conservative pundits and you can hear an endlessly repeated version of the talking points issued by the Republican National Committee. ( You can see them here, courtesy of Raw Story).

When we unpack its elements we can see not only the state of the art in political damage control but the tools that allow the Republicans to come out on top again and again when controversy rears its ugly head.

Step 1: It’s not really about us, it’s about them.

This is one of the fundamental divides between the two parties today, something Republicans understand and Democrats don’t: If the controversy is about you, you lose; if it’s about your opponent, you win. So when Democrats responded to Karl Rove’s slander about their response to 9/11 by saying that they supported the war in Afghanistan, they were making the mistake of arguing about whether they were or weren’t a bunch of wimps. Every time one of these controversies erupts, the Republicans always make it about Democrats: Who they are, what they’ve said and what they’ve done.

So now when Republicans talk about Rove, we hear the phrases “angry left” and “smear campaign” repeated over and over, as they argue that this is all a tempest in a teapot being drummed up by those mean liberals. Apparently, Democrats are angry that national security would be compromised to punish a Bush administration opponent—go figure.

But the real target of the spin effort is Joe Wilson. As the Republicans understand, if they can get everyone to talk about whether Wilson should have been sent to Niger, whether he should have contributed to the Kerry campaign, or whether a Republican Senate report did or did not contradict him, pretty soon no one will be talking about Karl Rove anymore. Which brings us to…

Step 2: Lie through your teeth.

Republicans have argued that Valerie Plame was not a covert agent (she was), and some have even suggested that Iraq really might have been seeking uranium from Niger, something even the Bush administration has admitted is false. But much of their arguments centers on the utterly phony claim that Karl Rove was trying to stop Matthew Cooper from writing about Wilson because Wilson had claimed that Vice President Cheney sent him to Niger. Wilson never said any such thing; he said that the vice president’s office asked the CIA to investigate the uranium claim, and the CIA asked him to take part in that investigation. Spinner after Republican spinner has lied about this, trying to paint Rove’s outing of Plame as “discouraging a reporter from writing a false story based on a false premise,” as RNC chairman Ken Mehlman put it.

Step 3: Argue the semantics, or, it depends on what the meaning of “identify” is.

More than once, Karl Rove has denied being the leaker. But when we look at his past comments, we see an attention to semantic detail that is reminiscent of no one so much as our last president. “I didn’t know her name and didn’t leak her name,” he said. In other words, I did not have naming relations with that woman.

Others are echoing this line. “There’s no evidence at all that he ever used her name,” said Newt Gingrich. And even some reporters seem to be accepting this as a reasonable defense. David Sanger of The New York Times reported that the fact that Rove revealed Plame’s identity but not her name “could save his job” if President Bush decides it allows him to worm out of his pledge to fire the leaker.

In fact, the statute in question makes it illegal not to reveal an agent’s name, but “any information identifying such covert agent.” But whether Rove can be convicted in a court of law is a relatively minor point; he revealed the identity of a covert CIA operative for the purpose of a political vendetta. He may be able to avoid jail time if he didn’t know she was undercover, but his actions were no less deplorable or harmful to American national security.

A year ago, President Bush was asked whether he would fire anyone who leaked Plame’s name; Bush responded, “Yes”; Scott McClellan has said the same thing more than once. But on Monday, Fox News’ Carl Cameron, who surely must be the administration’s favorite reporter, tried to give the president some wiggle room by claiming that Bush “never actually said the word ‘fired,’ but that is what some reporters and Democrats seem to expect.”

This is all beginning to sound familiar.

Step 4: It’s all partisan politics.

When Richard Clarke revealed that the Bush White House virtually ignored the issue of terrorism in the months leading up to 9/11, the White House decided to attack the messenger and paint him as a partisan Democrat in the hopes that doing so would convince the press to report the story as just one more partisan squabble. The effort was largely successful, and the same template is being applied here.

“The Democrats are engaging in blatant partisan political attacks,” said Ken Mehlman. “They're just playing partisan politics,” said Dennis Hastert’s spokesperson. The press will dutifully play along by reporting the conflict in he said/she said, style, giving all claims—even blatantly false ones—equal weight, lest they be accused of “bias.” The public, seeing yet one more case of partisan bickering, lines up with whichever party they have more sympathy for, and the substance of the wrongdoing begins to fade away. As The Christian Science Monitor wrote, “At this highly partisan time, much of the public will likely glaze over at the appearance of yet another bout of wrangling in Washington on an issue that does not directly affect them.” The public may well glaze over—but only if the press plays their part in Republican spin.

Politics By Other Means

Reporters have long gazed in wonderment at Rove, passing on even his most transparent attempts at shaping news coverage as cleverly discovered insights into the White House’s closely guarded strategies. But is it possible that the “Boy Genius” who bestrides our political world like a colossus could have been so utterly stupid as to compromise national security for no reason other than punishing someone who had the temerity to criticize the administration? Apparently so.

As Ron Suskind wrote two years ago, “In conversation with scores of people who know him, the assessment ultimately is the same: For Karl Rove, it’s all and only about winning. The rest—vision, ideology, good government, ideas to bind a nation, reasonable dissent, collegiality, mutual respect—is for later.” James Moore and Wayne Slater, authors of Bush’s Brain: How Karl Rove Made George W. Bush Presidential came to the same conclusion. “He seemed to be driven by a roaring internal engine to control every disagreement, rule every dispute, and dominate every contest,” they wrote. “In everything he did, Karl Rove wanted to win.”

And winning alone has never seemed enough for Rove. The opponent must not simply be defeated but utterly destroyed, both personally and professionally. Suskind reports waiting outside Rove’s door in the White House for an interview, and hearing Rove issue a tirade about a political operative who had displeased him. “We will fuck him,” Rove said, “Do you hear me? We will fuck him. We will ruin him. Like no one has ever fucked him!”

As Joshua Green recently reported in The Atlantic Monthly , a campaign Rove ran for an Alabama judicial candidate featured a whisper campaign spreading rumors that the opponent was a pedophile. “What Rove does,” said one campaign consultant who had opposed Rove, “is try to make something so bad for a family that the candidate will not subject the family to the hardship.”

Rove tried to do something similar to Joe Wilson, but in the process he endangered national security—a fact no amount of spin will conceal. As George H.W. Bush once said, “I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the names of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors.”

From the Tom Paine link:

snip

Saving Karl Rove
Paul Waldman
July 14, 2005

Paul Waldman is a senior fellow with Media Matters for America and a senior contributor to The Gadflyer.

Every administration has its share of scandals to deal with, and every one handles them in a slightly different way (of course, it helps if your party controls both houses of Congress, so there will be no pesky Congressional investigations to deal with). But the Bush administration’s furious effort to save Karl Rove and justify the outing of a covert CIA operative is a remarkable case study in misdirection, a campaign whose scaffolding of spin is plain for all to see.

Listen to the party hacks and conservative pundits and you can hear an endlessly repeated version of the talking points issued by the Republican National Committee. ( You can see them here, courtesy of Raw Story).

When we unpack its elements we can see not only the state of the art in political damage control but the tools that allow the Republicans to come out on top again and again when controversy rears its ugly head.

Step 1: It’s not really about us, it’s about them.

This is one of the fundamental divides between the two parties today, something Republicans understand and Democrats don’t: If the controversy is about you, you lose; if it’s about your opponent, you win. So when Democrats responded to Karl Rove’s slander about their response to 9/11 by saying that they supported the war in Afghanistan, they were making the mistake of arguing about whether they were or weren’t a bunch of wimps. Every time one of these controversies erupts, the Republicans always make it about Democrats: Who they are, what they’ve said and what they’ve done.

So now when Republicans talk about Rove, we hear the phrases “angry left” and “smear campaign” repeated over and over, as they argue that this is all a tempest in a teapot being drummed up by those mean liberals. Apparently, Democrats are angry that national security would be compromised to punish a Bush administration opponent—go figure.

But the real target of the spin effort is Joe Wilson. As the Republicans understand, if they can get everyone to talk about whether Wilson should have been sent to Niger, whether he should have contributed to the Kerry campaign, or whether a Republican Senate report did or did not contradict him, pretty soon no one will be talking about Karl Rove anymore. Which brings us to…

Step 2: Lie through your teeth.

Republicans have argued that Valerie Plame was not a covert agent (she was), and some have even suggested that Iraq really might have been seeking uranium from Niger, something even the Bush administration has admitted is false. But much of their arguments centers on the utterly phony claim that Karl Rove was trying to stop Matthew Cooper from writing about Wilson because Wilson had claimed that Vice President Cheney sent him to Niger. Wilson never said any such thing; he said that the vice president’s office asked the CIA to investigate the uranium claim, and the CIA asked him to take part in that investigation. Spinner after Republican spinner has lied about this, trying to paint Rove’s outing of Plame as “discouraging a reporter from writing a false story based on a false premise,” as RNC chairman Ken Mehlman put it.

Step 3: Argue the semantics, or, it depends on what the meaning of “identify” is.

More than once, Karl Rove has denied being the leaker. But when we look at his past comments, we see an attention to semantic detail that is reminiscent of no one so much as our last president. “I didn’t know her name and didn’t leak her name,” he said. In other words, I did not have naming relations with that woman.

Others are echoing this line. “There’s no evidence at all that he ever used her name,” said Newt Gingrich. And even some reporters seem to be accepting this as a reasonable defense. David Sanger of The New York Times reported that the fact that Rove revealed Plame’s identity but not her name “could save his job” if President Bush decides it allows him to worm out of his pledge to fire the leaker.

In fact, the statute in question makes it illegal not to reveal an agent’s name, but “any information identifying such covert agent.” But whether Rove can be convicted in a court of law is a relatively minor point; he revealed the identity of a covert CIA operative for the purpose of a political vendetta. He may be able to avoid jail time if he didn’t know she was undercover, but his actions were no less deplorable or harmful to American national security.

A year ago, President Bush was asked whether he would fire anyone who leaked Plame’s name; Bush responded, “Yes”; Scott McClellan has said the same thing more than once. But on Monday, Fox News’ Carl Cameron, who surely must be the administration’s favorite reporter, tried to give the president some wiggle room by claiming that Bush “never actually said the word ‘fired,’ but that is what some reporters and Democrats seem to expect.”

This is all beginning to sound familiar.

Step 4: It’s all partisan politics.

When Richard Clarke revealed that the Bush White House virtually ignored the issue of terrorism in the months leading up to 9/11, the White House decided to attack the messenger and paint him as a partisan Democrat in the hopes that doing so would convince the press to report the story as just one more partisan squabble. The effort was largely successful, and the same template is being applied here.

“The Democrats are engaging in blatant partisan political attacks,” said Ken Mehlman. “They're just playing partisan politics,” said Dennis Hastert’s spokesperson. The press will dutifully play along by reporting the conflict in he said/she said, style, giving all claims—even blatantly false ones—equal weight, lest they be accused of “bias.” The public, seeing yet one more case of partisan bickering, lines up with whichever party they have more sympathy for, and the substance of the wrongdoing begins to fade away. As The Christian Science Monitor wrote, “At this highly partisan time, much of the public will likely glaze over at the appearance of yet another bout of wrangling in Washington on an issue that does not directly affect them.” The public may well glaze over—but only if the press plays their part in Republican spin.

Politics By Other Means

Reporters have long gazed in wonderment at Rove, passing on even his most transparent attempts at shaping news coverage as cleverly discovered insights into the White House’s closely guarded strategies. But is it possible that the “Boy Genius” who bestrides our political world like a colossus could have been so utterly stupid as to compromise national security for no reason other than punishing someone who had the temerity to criticize the administration? Apparently so.

As Ron Suskind wrote two years ago, “In conversation with scores of people who know him, the assessment ultimately is the same: For Karl Rove, it’s all and only about winning. The rest—vision, ideology, good government, ideas to bind a nation, reasonable dissent, collegiality, mutual respect—is for later.” James Moore and Wayne Slater, authors of Bush’s Brain: How Karl Rove Made George W. Bush Presidential came to the same conclusion. “He seemed to be driven by a roaring internal engine to control every disagreement, rule every dispute, and dominate every contest,” they wrote. “In everything he did, Karl Rove wanted to win.”

And winning alone has never seemed enough for Rove. The opponent must not simply be defeated but utterly destroyed, both personally and professionally. Suskind reports waiting outside Rove’s door in the White House for an interview, and hearing Rove issue a tirade about a political operative who had displeased him. “We will fuck him,” Rove said, “Do you hear me? We will fuck him. We will ruin him. Like no one has ever fucked him!”

As Joshua Green recently reported in The Atlantic Monthly , a campaign Rove ran for an Alabama judicial candidate featured a whisper campaign spreading rumors that the opponent was a pedophile. “What Rove does,” said one campaign consultant who had opposed Rove, “is try to make something so bad for a family that the candidate will not subject the family to the hardship.”

Rove tried to do something similar to Joe Wilson, but in the process he endangered national security—a fact no amount of spin will conceal. As George H.W. Bush once said, “I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the names of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors.”

Oh gosh I'm sorry for the last two posts. I was intending to post only the last paragraph, and only once. I'm not sure what happened.

Sally please feel free to delete them if you would like.

Photo
http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=53231563&cdi=0

Yeepppp,

A picture speaks a thousand words...

well, I am back from a week of EX's visit, which was fun and exciting....(some sarcasm in this, but not very much now)....on the way home from the airport yesterday, after her dad and I had insisted she call and see a doctor because she had bites from a spider all over her, my daughter called on the cell phone to tell me she has CHICKEN POX! Age 35, with CP!!!! aaaarrrrgh. Luckily her husband and his sister and their mother (who has MS) are immune by birth for some reason......and I've had it, plus shingles.

Saturn conjuncting my MC/Venus?

Well, one of my oldest friends has 00Leo rising....and her pyroderma gangrenosum (which nearly killed her 5 years ago) is back. This time not as bad....but still quite serious. Any other of you with the fixed point 0 degrees (Leo, Taurus, Scorpio (me...00Scorpio rising) and Aquarius) getting these physical hits? Or any kind of unusual stuff?

I've not only got the conj. from Sat, but the square......all the IRS, death (dealing with my mom's stuff although she still is alive at 96) and taxes and work....NONE in that catagory....so Saturn definitely operating. sigh....

haven't had time to read the posts...namaste....

this came from a cousin in Oregon....I disagree witht he conclusion he makes about terrorists....I believe it is our own fascist gov. creating this.....
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There is a columnist in the Oregonian - Steve Duin. He had a story this morning
about a Portlander who teaches children of diplomats and business execs at  the
American International School in Budapest, Hungary. (Bill's ex-bro-in-law used
to be principal of the same school in Singapore). Her name is Kasswana Blamer.


She came home for a visit and was really hassled by the Customs and Border Protection
people at the Portland Airport. They told her she had an arrest record and trashed her luggage.  No matter that she had a high security clearance record for her job.  A man
on the same flight stood and watched what was going on.   She asked what had raised
the red flag on the computer and they wouldn't tell her.

Her quotes:  " What surprised me so much coming here, last year and this year, is the
amazing paranoia.   In the last few years I have been to Oman, Turkey, Egypt and all 
through Europe. I have never felt the paranoia wearing down on me.
There is an arrogance here that I've only encountered in former Communist countries.
We have a culture that loves conspiracy theories. We don't have a very transparent
government. And there's this secretiveness, like only the chosen few have a right to this
information and everyone who is not part of that little, elite group is under suspicion."

"It seems the terrorists have won. They have destroyed our way of life."

Note there is no indication of the number that
have died AFTER they have left Iraq...

http://icasualties.org/oif/BY_DOD.aspx

Couple of polls --- please go vote

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6862172

I don't post at DU --- but I lurk, and someone has posted an excerpt from a Molly Ivans piece at alternet that has "disinformation" written all over it... Molly is saying that Sadaam was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Kurds...

ain't true Molly, dear... a 30 sec google will show the Kurds themselves have killed more Kurds than anyone else... see links here...

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9045.htm

anyone posting at DU might want to get in on this discussion...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x139548

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The world is down the rabbit hole enough without Molly giving out disinformation...

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With spinmeister Rove telling his minions that Wilson was the bad guy, and many believing him ('course that won't matter a whit, it's Fitz' actions I'm watching --- that's what matters in this game) --- they'll start spinning their war tales about Sadaam next and how it doesn't matter that they lied about invading Iraq... the important thing is "life in Iraq is better now that Sadaam is gone."

'scuse me, I need a barf bag...

This is an interesting read about casualties in
Iraq...

http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1702.htm#001

DUers on Wilson's live appearance on CNN ....http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4101471

 Wilson evicerated Rove: sliced and diced him
Wilson: I made my bones as charges d'affaires for the first president Bush in Baghdad. I made my bones confronting Saddam Hussein on the eve of the Gulf War. I made my bones freeing 1500 Americans hiding in Kuwait, and negotiating the release of 115 Americans taken hostage by Saddam Hussein and being used as human shield. I also provided succor, support and lodging to 75 Americans who would have been taken hostage by Saddam Hussein. That's how I made my bones. Karl Rove made his bones with political dirty tricks. This is not a political issue, but a national security issue.
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Anyone who watched that would want Rove's head on a stick immediately. Wilson crunched Rove up into a tiny little ball and threw him in the garbage. Outstanding.

dKos diary with pictures of media Rove 24/7

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/14/133213/448

Beware of Full Moons

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Mystery ‘sex change’ has curious flocking to Myanmar monk-to-be

Thin Sandar, a chicken seller in Myanmar, had always dreamed of being a man. When she inexplicably grew a male organ last month, the 21-year-old treated it as an awe-inspiring omen as have the thousands of stunned villagers who have travelled to a pagoda to see him.

“On the morning of the full moon day of June 21, I noticed my thing (sex organ) was not the same as before,” Thin Sandar, who now goes by the male name Than Sein, told AFP in an interview at his home. “And my breasts disappeared,” Than Sein added. “So I called out and showed it all to my mom and dad. It was very strange.” Strange enough that he has attracted significant attention in this deeply superstitious country, where the unexplained can quickly be exalted to hold powerful spiritual significance.

People privately concede Than Sein is genderless. Several medical experts have examined him, and he awaits test results from the central women’s hospital. But few have come forward with a medical explanation of the transformation as they await an official report by the health ministry, whose experts have also examined Than Sein. “We can not say right now if she has really undergone a sudden gender change,” said a township official that declined to be named, adding that Than Sein’s birth certificate shows that he was born a girl.

“It can be confirmed when we receive the report from the health ministry, although some medical checkups have shown her to be a true man,” he added. Hermaphrodites, also known as intersexuals, are often born with ambiguous genitalia, or have both testicular and ovarian tissue in a single person. Medical doctor Aye Sanda Khaing put it in layman’s terms in a local journal: “Her male organ appeared at the point where it is commonly found in men,” the doctor was quoted as saying.

Regardless of the official findings, local villagers and other curious Myanmar nationals are flocking to the Aung Myay Thar Yar pagoda, in this new satellite township 19 kilometres from Yangon, to see Than Sein for themselves and make donations to him or the temple.

Up to 400 gather at the pagoda each day, often in a courtyard under colorful umbrellas to ward off the sun’s rays, waiting for the chance to talk with and touch Than Sein. “I have never heard of anything like this, so I came to see him,” 21-year-old housewife Thandar Win told AFP.

“If I was not married, then I too would want to become a man!” When word spread of Than Sein’s transformation, locals raced to his home to see for themselves. Authorities, sensing a possible security hazard — and, perhaps, an opportunity — hastily arranged for him to be moved to the pagoda to accommodate more visitors. Than Sein appeared comfortable with the sudden attention in the new surroundings. Wearing a checkered longyi, the traditional Myanmar pants commonly worn by men, he sat on a rug in the pagoda’s side building, flanked by his parents.

“I was so happy,” father Kyaw Htay, 46, said about his son’s developments. “I wanted other sons so they could offer themselves as Buddhist monks, but I had only two daughters.” Occasionally Than Sein stepped out to talk with excited visitors, who shook his hand, stroked his arm, and wished him well.

End.

Rove and Novak have danced this dance before...

During George H.W. Bush’s second presidential campaign, Rove was fired from the campaign team because of suspicions that he had leaked information to columnist Robert Novak — the same columnist who first reported Plame’s CIA role in 2003, citing anonymous administration sources.

At the time, Bush’s campaign was in trouble, and there was concern that the president might not even win his home state of Texas. The Novak column described a Dallas meeting in which the campaign’s state manager, Robert Mosbacher, was stripped of his authority because the Texas effort was viewed as a bust.

Mosbacher complained, expressing his suspicion that Rove was the leaker. Rove denied the charge, but was fired nevertheless.

Seattle blog on Andy Stephenson http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x384013

in which the whole ugly freeper rightwinger scum is exposed....

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/White_House_press_secretary_pummeled_again_on_Air_Forc_0714.html

transcript of press confronting Scotty onboard Air Force One about the Rovester....
Love this Q:
Q Does the President believe it's appropriate for the RNC to continue to weigh in on this matter? They put out another memo today, with a top-10 Joseph Wilson lies. If indeed it's an ongoing investigation and it's improper for the White House to discuss it, does he think it's proper for the Republican Party to weigh in on it?

From the Archives: Karl Rove's Damage to the Security of the United States of America, "The leak of a CIA operative's name has also exposed the identity of a CIA front company, potentially expanding the damage caused by the original disclosure, Bush administration officials said yesterday." Republican Traitors to Our Nation Continue to Support Bush's Benedict Arnold, Which Means Bush is Benedict Arnold's Enabler.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?
pagename=article&contentId=A40012-2003Oct3

More Fiore...

http://www.sfgate.com/comics/fiore/

Rawstory has a developing story that a aide has blabbed that Santorium is gay!!! Ese estupido bastardo puede vaya al fuego!!!

So typical!!!

About tPluto in capricorn in the 2nd house of the US Sag rising chart...the new eminent domain ruling by the supreme court fits so well with tPluto in regards to 2nd house concerns.

I think that in the next decade this will explode into a major issue of governemental oppression, especially as the economy erodes starting within the next year or two. I can see it fueling huge protests and civil unrest when people find that local and state governments will use the ruling in a discriminatory manner.

correction:

The Aide in gay not santorium. Okay that is even weirder. I just don't get it.

Claudia has a photo image of the memo of August 9, 1974 Re: Factors to be Considered in Deciding Whether to Prosecute Richard M. Nixon for Obstruction of Justice

If you will recall, this was the day Nixon resigned. Three Articles of Impeachment had been drafted 1)Obstruction of Justice 2)Abuse of Power and 3) Contempt of Congress [it is interesting that under Article 1 No. (6) Endeavoring to misuse the Central Intelligence Agency, an agency of the United States appears]

http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/impeachments/nixon.htm

The decision was made NOT to prosecute based on 1)His resignation has been sufficient punishment; and then 4 more reasons are listed... for a total of 5.

I recommend you read through these Articles and the Memorandum... substitute Bush's name for Nixon's and it's deja vu all over again! Except this time, with a Republican Congress we will not get Articles of Impeachment... but we may get an indictment for Obstruction of Justice. That beats a blue dress by a mile!!!!! [for a comparison, between Nixon's Articles and Clinton's see the following link... difference between AUTHENTIC basis and kindergarteners throwing sand in our face! imho, of course: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/articles122098.htm

It's also my humble opinion that too few people in this country understand 'obstruction of justice' (heck, they don't even understand 'justice' --- they think bombing Iraq is retaliation/justice for 9/11. Now some are willing to further overlook the lies of these fascists and turn on yet two more true Patriots, Joe Wilson and his wife Valerie (who by the way, according to her husband, used his name in her work from the day they were married - so, who dug up 'Plame'? and what was the point?)

Watch the three-card monte: the issue is NOT the Wilsons. The issue is the Rez lied us into a war, an illegal war... and two or more members of the administration conspired to out a CIA operative.

Rez hired an outside attorney (that is, outside White House Counsel) last June. You think it was because he thought he might accidentally run over someone with his bike and they might sue?

Travieso
http://www.rawstory.com/
This is the SICK muther....as for Santorum
Dan Savage has labeled him forever, and he will
never live it down. Any one as anti-gay as
Santorum see it in himself and is deathly afraid.
I have seen him on TV and he is not very butch.
Being married DOESN'T make him straight.

From Blumenthal's article in Salon:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2005/07/14/plame/index2.html

In discussing the sealed affidavit filed by Fitzgerald, and not privy to the defendants, Hogan stated that the "Special Counsel outlines in great detail the developments in this case and the investigation as a whole. The ex parte affidavit establishes that the government's focus has shifted as it has acquired additional information during the course of the investigation. Special Counsel now needs to pursue different avenues in order to complete its investigation." Judge Hogan concluded that "the subpoenas were not issued in an attempt to harass the [reporters], but rather stem from legitimate needs due to an unanticipated shift in the grand jury's investigation."

Hi everyone! I'm just popping in to have a read. Been more of a lurker than a poster lately.

But I wanted to throw this out to all you AWers. I just received a forwarded e-mail from my mother-in-law, supposed to be cute and all about how life was so simple and grand back in the days of black and white television. The good guys always won, everyone knew right from wrong, married couples kept their vows, yadda yadda yadda...you know the schtick. And the sentiment -- the repeated line throughout -- was "I want to go back to black and white."

And suddenly the thought crossed my mind that people only THINK those times (and the people in them) were better, easier, simpler, and more honest and full of integrity. A good look at history will tell us that nasty creeps have been up to no good on grand scales since time immemorium (sp??). So they THINK they're nostalgic for some long lost "good old days," but what they really miss is their IGNORANCE! haha!

Lori...that is a GREAT observation!

Speaking of Nixon, check out Raw Story down in the features column (Deep Throat, big mouths"....really great, besides totally skewering the nattering nabob speech writers for Nixon....who are still nattering, of course....
really good perspective on today.

Lori, speaking of black and white....

The Light Of Reason
(from Raw Story, the Blue Meme)

The Light Of Reason , which is both a blog and, at least in this case, a source of well-lit reason, answers the question: why aren't conservatives outraged about what Rove did?

(T)he question assumes that the ideas conservatives talk about actually mean something to them. That in turn means something else, and something much more important: it assumes that conservatives’ ideas properly connect back to the facts out there in the world to which they refer. Rather than engage in a technical discussion about epistemology, let me put the point more simply: ideas and concepts are the means by which we hold knowledge—but the knowledge expressed in terms of ideas must always refer back to specifics in reality. If the ideas don’t ultimately refer back to reality in this manner, they are literally meaningless. They refer to nothing. Everything that exists is something particular. Ideas as such don’t exist at all, except as symbols and summations of the particulars in a certain category to which they refer.
But conservatives lionize a President who speaks of “freedom,” as he enacts a program which threatens civil liberties here at home on the most fundamental level (some recent examples: here, here and here), and who speaks of “progress” in Iraq as that country descends further into bloody chaos with each day that passes. Bush is a man for whom concepts mean precisely nothing. The phrases he employs to justify his actions are devoid of content, and they refer to no specifics at all. And almost all his actions lead to results in reality which contradict the “ideas” he says he supports in utterly disastrous ways.
This is much deeper, and much worse, than mere hypocrisy, which is almost clean in intellectual terms by comparison. When someone is hypocritical, there is at least the hope of reaching him if we are able to make him see and acknowledge how his words are contradicted by his actions (and/or by other words). If someone alters his behavior after understanding his error, it is because he acknowledges at least to some extent the connection between words and particulars.
But if someone uses words and concepts in a manner which consistently reveals that those words mean absolutely nothing to him, it is not possible to reach him at all. There is nothing to reach—in the sense that there is no mind there capable of understanding what you are saying. On the most basic level, such people do not know how to think. When someone functions in this way—that is, when he is not capable of thinking in the most rudimentary manner—there is one method of survival that tends to overshadow all the others: membership in a group, or tribe, which he hopes will protect him.
It is this kind of tribalism that conservatives exhibit today in a very extreme form. (Many liberals are guilty of it, too, but they’re not in power now and therefore less of a danger.) We see this tribalism in Bush, who speaks of “loyalty” to his friends as one of his supreme values, and we see it in conservatives generally. This is why they defend Rove so desperately: the attacks on Rove are perceived as attacks on their tribe, and it is the tribe that must always be protected against outsiders. In this case, the law, the press, and those who criticize Rove and the Bush administration are all outsiders. Outsiders are the enemy, and they must be destroyed.
In other words, reasoning with these folks is like wrestling with a pig: you just get dirty, and the pig enjoys it.
Silber also makes a plausible argument that George II's disregard for the CIA has an Oedipal component.

"Rez hired an outside attorney (that is, outside White House Counsel) last June. You think it was because he thought he might accidentally run over someone with his bike and they might sue?"

Hahahahaaaaa, dear Jo... it'd run over anybody ON PURPOSE with its lil bike... & then giggle n' titter uncontrollably. It's a very sick micro-malebot!

Pulled off bartcop.com just now:
Quotes

"Other than telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest,
educate our children and, now, die, I think the Republicans have
done a fine job of getting government out of our personal lives."
-- Sunday Portland Oregonian

Want the good news or bad news first?

Frist's amendment just failed in the Senate - if passed it would have ruled that if a Senator makes reference to an FBI report on the Senate floor, he/she loses access to that report. Thanks to the Dems and the crossovers (McClain, Snowe, etc.), it failed.

Reid's amendment also failed - if passed, it would have established that security clearance was taken away for disclosing a CIA agent's identify without permission. DUers are staying this shows the True Colors of the Republican Party.

Lastly, they are pursuing a discussion that, per Randi Rhodes, Air America Radio's show, Valerie Plume's outfit was about to prove that the Saudi's were supportingi bin Laden. By revealing her identify, her entire operation fizzled.

Could Ohio send a Democratic Senator to Congress in 2007? Ohio Republican Sen. Mike DeWine's approval rating at only 31%!!

http://www.clevescene.com/Issues/2005-07-13/news/firstpunch.html

Wow, and we can guess WHY they'd WANT V Plame's operation to fizzle!

JAYSUS, Judi G! Thank you for the post re: black and white. I'm going to e-mail the middle part (that doesn't refer to cons/rethugs/the rez) to my husband. He can read it at work tomorrow, because it describes HIM! So embarrassing...he's more of a liberal Dem type, but he (check this out) has Cancer Sun & Merc in 12th (not conj, but square Neptune) and Leo rising 6 deg! AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH, who does that remind you of?? That's right, folks. This man I'm married to once said to me (before we were married): "Words can mean anything you want them to mean." And at 47 years old, he still AUTOMATICALLY and unconsciously anticipates what his MOTHER might need!! ok, no more venting about personal crap, but man oh man, I do see such a horrible parallel between him & GW!! Truly, the tribal thing is RIGHT ON and a very Cancerian male trait! (I'm almost tempted to not put my name, I'm so embarrassed! My defense is my Venus trines his Sun 3deg, his Venus trines my Sun 3 deg; they are closely conj in our composite.)

Regarding the London bombings - these people they say were the bombers just doesn't seem to fit who, on the surface, they were. One was a schoolteacher with an 8mth old baby.
Do any of you think it might be possible that, if in fact it is proven conclusively that they did it, perhaps it was due to a sort of post hypnotic suggestion type of thing?
Several movies have had that theme - is it actually possible in real life?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/14/wbr.01.html

Karl Rove and CIA Leak; Joe Wilson Interview; Douglas Feith Interview; Middle East Tensions; London Terror Investigation

Kiwijeanie, yup, it stinks.

Go to americablog.com and read this post by Aravosis:
"Bush admin may be responsible for botching effort to thwart London bombing
by John in DC - 7/14/2005 08:09:00 PM"

Apparently, nothing, not one thing, is more important to the repugs than to stay in power.

Kiwijeanie,

Does it not seem odd to you, or any of you, that the victims were so badly charred identity has been slow and in some cases impossible. But in the case of the so-called perps, we AGAIN (think 9/11) have ID cards that tell us who they were, located next to the bags that contained the bombs?

There is chatter on other websites about the drill that morning, about the fact that the explosive material was of a 'military' source; that Arabs might have been involved in the 'drill' ... etc., etc.,

Call me a kook, or whatever you like... our gov't employs 'contractors' in Iraq... to kill 'insurgents'... I don't accept that Iraqi people fighting the occupation are killing young children hovering around a military vehicle waiting for candy... at this point, I'm extremely skeptical...

when the rez defends a man who has been named as a source for outing a CIA agent, when there are members of his administration who have sought to undermine our intelligence agencies, when civilians have taken over our military, when these same people admonish the Repugs to defend Rove and smear Joe Wilson, much as they did Kerry as a veteran... then I am convinced the fascists will stop at nothing to achieve their goals...

The Brits had announced a reduction in their troops in Iraq, they were going to bring them home. WHO benefits from a terror attack in the UK?

Maybe, Jo, the question should be who benefitted least from the terror attack in the UK? It certainly didn't help Smirky&Co.

I don't know, shylurker. Terror scares work so very well here. After all, they helped the shrub get re-elected. Maybe they figured that the "real" thing would get the Brits all fired up and ready to "stay the course." Doesn't sound much like it's working. Tony Blair, can you spel "b-a-c-k-f-i-r-e"?

Jo, remember, he wasn't reelected. He never was elected in the first place, and wasn't elected the second time. This is why they own the media.

JO,

Remember my post from the previous thread about things coming to a head on the Full Moon of Aug 9, 2006?

Attack Iraq MC 138d 56m
Bush Iraq MC 139d 46m
RA full moon MC 138d 23m (in Iraq)
RA Sun in FM chart 139d 06m
RA Moon in FM chart 319d 06m
RA Saturn in FM chart 137d 48m

That will be the anniversary (say Solar Return)of Nixon's resignation. The only time an American President has ever resigned.

The right ascension of the Sun at the time of Nixon's resignation was 139d 07m. The right ascension of the Full Moon Sun 139d 06m with the Moon at 319d 06m! The right ascension of Saturn for Nixon's resignation was 104d 28m. The right ascension of Bush's natal Sun: 104d 58m!

The right ascension of secondary progressed Pluto from March 2, 1868 (the date the Articles of Impeachment against Andrew Jackson were adopted) to Aug 9, 2006 will 48d 44m or 90 degrees from the Full Moon of Aug 9, 2006.

The first Article of Impeachment against Clinton was adopted on Dec 19, 1988 at 1:25 PM, EST. The right ascension of the MC of that chart is 287d 47m. (By the way astrologers do you know that the positions of the MC and Ascendants in all charts are measured in right ascension? By measuring planetary positions [that is where the 'true body' of planets are] I am merely being consistant.) On Aug 9, 2006 the secondary progressed Sun of that chart will be conjunct that MC with a right ascension of 287d 25m. The secondary progressed MC of that chart will be 174d 38m. Transitting Pluto on Aug 9, 2006 will have a right ascension of 264d 05m or conjunct the progressed East Point of the chart which of course is exactly 90d in right ascension from the MC.

All of the above connections to the previous beginnings of impeachment proceedings seem to indicate a visit from such proceedings to Bush in Aug of 2006.

Oh yeah, one more thing about the Full Moon position at 319d 06m on Aug 9, 2006. Fedral Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald having been born Dec 22, 1960 will have a secondary progressed Sun with a right ascension of 319d and some minutes on Aug 9, 2006.

bob

You wern't talking to me Bob, but I remember also.

http://blogometer.nationaljournal.com/

The Spy Who Came In From The Cold And The Adviser Who Came In For Some Heat

If the Blogometer swore off publishing speculation, then we wouldn't have much to write about. Indeed, it is almost all speculation today. On the left and right, interested observers are poring over transcripts, interviews, books, plus newspaper and magazine articles both new and old, looking for a new angle that may help illuminate the truth behind you-know-which ongoing investigation and explain what it all means. Here are just a few of the theories to surface, either for the 1st time or with renewed significance, in recent days:

WH dep. CoS Karl Rove could face espionage charges rather than mere indictment under intelligence protection statues.
Ex-Amb. Joe Wilson may have leaked wife Valerie Plame's role in his Niger trip to friends in the Washington press.
New York Times' Judy Miller may have leaked the Wilson/Plame gossip to the WH.
Or, Miller and the Times may be protecting another source, one unsympathetic to the WH.
Ex-WH spokesperson Ari Fleischer may have leaked Plame's name.

All are covered below, plus a greatly diminished amount of other news, a report on Rep. Louise Slaughter's (D-NY) blogad campaign -- and, our latest Blogger Spotlight, with Eric Alterman.

Bob,

sure hope you're right!

what do you see for Cheney? My thought is he's Fitzgerald's target... he will bring an indictment against Cheney, before the end of the year (as the WaPo is quoting some administration officials as fearful 'someone' will be indicted before the end of the year). How do you see his chart fitting into this? Agnew was indicted in October after the inauguration in 1973, and it took another year to get Nixon.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/14/chief.oconnor/index.html

Senators urge O'Connor to reconsider retirement

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Four senators -- two Democrats and two Republicans -- sent a letter Thursday to U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor asking that she reconsider her decision to retire.

In a copy of the letter obtained by CNN, Sens. Barbara Boxer, D-California, Mary Landrieu, D-Louisiana, Susan Collins, R-Maine, and Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, urged the 75-year-old jurist to return to the court as the chief justice of the United States to avoid what could be a messy confirmation fight over her successor.

"As United States senators with the constitutional responsibility of 'advice and consent,' we would strongly recommend to President Bush that he nominate you as chief justice," the letter said.

"You are an extraordinary jurist who has served on the court since 1981. You possess moderation, dignity and integrity, and have demonstrated the highest standards of legal excellence.

"We believe such a history-making nomination by the president would demonstrate leadership that unites Americans around the shared values of liberty, the rule of law, and the preservation of our constitutional freedoms.

"We hope that you will give our request the serious consideration it deserves, should there be a vacancy for chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court."

The current chief justice, William Rehnquist, has said nothing publicly about stepping down, though he has been in ill health and observers have speculated that he may announce his retirement any day.

In recent years, the votes of O'Connor, who was appointed in 1981 by President Reagan and is considered a moderate conservative, often have proven decisive in key cases on the divided court.

If she were to replace Rehnquist, her former classmate at Stanford Law School, O'Connor would be the first female to become chief justice of the United States.

She already was the first woman to serve on the nation's highest court.

Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pennsylvania, first floated the idea of her becoming chief justice last week on a television talk show.

The senators said they plan to take up the matter with Bush.

and

Rehnquist Says He'll Stay on Supreme Court AP - 17 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - Squelching rumors of his retirement, Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist said Thursday he will continue heading the Supreme Court as long his health permits. "I'm not about to announce my retirement," he said in a statement obtained by The Associated Press.

Jo, you said: "Does it not seem odd to you, or any of you, that the victims were so badly charred identity has been slow and in some cases impossible. But in the case of the so-called perps, we AGAIN (think 9/11) have ID cards that tell us who they were, located next to the bags that contained the bombs?"

Yes! ABSOLUTELY! I'm in 100% agreement with you on this. It's the big red flag flapping in the breeze again, and they've GOT to pin it on SOMEone, KiwiJeane, because it's natural for people to wonder: who did this?

Bob, thanks for sharing (again) the Aug. 9 info. Very interesting stuff, those connections!

I understand the desire of people to see Sandra Day O'Connor stay on at SC. But her husband is ill and she's getting on in years and I wouldn't blame her a bit if she chose to go her own way now. Not to mention how disgusted I fantasize she might be by some of the recent decisions of the court. It must be extremely frustrating, to say the least, to try to go against the horror but come up one short time and again.

Rehnquist is too stubborn to retire. He'd die first. And he will, you just watch. (Also, it's possible that he cringes at the circus his retirement would create.)

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! I want to understand Bob's post above, but I can't (other than note the repetition). What is a right ascension? Just send me a link and I'll go there. Tnx!

For those who like to have their minds blown, here's another idiot trying to make sense:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5142160,00.html

December 12, 2000 SCOTUS voted 5-4 Bush v. Gore
and our nightmare began... Bush was selected.

And you have already forgotten Sandra Day O'Connor was among the infamous five?

And today she is being asked to reconsider, stay on? And Rehnquist has not died, has not resigned, and Justice O'Connor is being supported for Chief Justice? What planet is this?

William H. Rehnquist (Chief Justice)
b. 01Oct24. 07Jan72, Nixon appointee
(Chief Justice: 26Sep86, Reagan).

Sandra Day O'Connor
b. 26Mar30. 25Sep81, Reagan appointee.

Antonin Scalia
b. 11Mar36. 26Sep86, Reagan appointee.

Antonin M. Kennedy
b. 23Jul36. 18Feb88, Reagan appointee.

Clarence Thomas
b. 23Jun48. 23Oct91, Bush (G.H.W.) appointee.

Here you go shy.

http://tinyurl.com/clvsw

1) Right Ascension (abbreviated R.A.) and Declination (abbreviated Dec) are a system of coordinates used by astronomers to keep track of where stars and galaxies are in the sky. They are similar to the system of "longitude" and "latitude" used on the Earth.

2) Definition of Right Ascension
Distance measured along the celestial equator, Eastward from the point of the Spring Equinox; or, as sometimes described, distance along the circle of declination. v. Celestial Sphere.

(Nicholas deVore - Encyclopedia of Astrology)

3) Definition of Declination
The manner of indicating distance N. or S. of the Celestial Equator. The maximum possible declination of the Sun is 23° 28' which occurs at the Solstices, when the Sun passes the Tropics (0°) of Cancer and Capricorn, the limit of the pole's greatest inclination from the plane of the Earth's orbit. The first degrees of Aries and Libra have no declination, since at these points the ecliptic intersects the equator. However, planets at this longitude may have declination. (v. Celestial Sphere.)

4) http://www.mandala.be/declination/boehrer1.htm

Introduction to Declinations

Thank you, Pat C. Thank you, Jo. Ya'll's the bestest.

Any time shy. :-)

Yeh, I know, this is one of those questionable websites... the one in particular that reported on Visor Consultants holding a drill the morning of the bombings in London... whatever, I just bring info, you decide...

London Stagecoach Employee Says Bus Bombing Suspicious

~snip~

"...The bus driver pointed out that the number 30 bus was the only one to be re-routed after the initial bombs went off in the London Underground, every other bus carried on its normal journey, but for some reason this bus was diverted.

The driver notes the following about CCTV maintainence.

"CCTV gets maintained at least 2 or 3 times a week and can digitally store upto 2 whole weeks worth of footage. this is done by a private contractor....So when I heard that the CCTV wasn't working on a vehicle that's no more than 2 years old since last June.....I'm sorry that's rubbish, I work for the company I know different."

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/150705busbombing.htm

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A couple of things I have noticed about 'reliabililty' of the NYTimes of late, since their reporter went to jail:

1) they are not covering Rove ... aside from a polite mention of media frenzy
2) Maureen Dowd is "on book leave" ???
3) Op-ed and columnists have been removed from front page, can only be accessed by going to sidebar menu

Revelations that have come about from the Plame investigation beg larger questions about the activities of White House officials in its “selling” of the war in Iraq – before and after the war commenced.

In August of 2002, White House Chief of Staff Andy Card formed an internal “White House Iraq Group”-- or “WHIG.” The group met weekly in the Situation Room. Among the regular participants were Karl Rove, Karen Hughes, Mary Matalin, and policy advisers led by NSA Condoleezza Rice along with I. Lewis Libby, Cheney's chief of staff. The group was formed in part to deal with the public relations campaign around Iraq:

“’In an interview with the New York Times published Sept. 6, Card did not mention the WHIG but hinted at its mission.”From a marketing point of view, you don't introduce new products in August’," he said. [Washington Post, 8/10/03].

The Plame grand jury subpoenaed all of WHIG’s documents from July 6, 2003 to July 30, 2003 [Newsday, 3/05/04].

http://blog.radioleft.com/blog/_archives/2005/7/11/1015492.html
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Prosecuting the Cabal
Leak probe tightens net around the gang that 'outed' an undercover CIA agent
by Justin Raimondo
March 8, 2004

The problem here is that there will always be some uncertainty about how quickly he can acquire nuclear weapons. But we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."

Uttered on the first anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, this is the kind of rhetoric that pushed us into the Iraqi quagmire: fear of nuclear terrorism was at an all-time high, the nation was on orange alert, and the neocons were on the march, beating the drums for war. The effort was coordinated by the WHIG, meeting weekly in the Situation Room: Rice's chief deputy, Stephen J. Hadley, was a regular participant, the Post informs us.

http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=2100

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Keep that group in mind, WHIG --- White House Iraq Group --- google it up... I'm not technie enough to do a Tiny url for you...

Whoops, almost forgot this one:

"... Rove was a player on Iraq, too. In the run-up to the war, Rove was a full--and, colleagues say, impressive--participant in the colorfully named WHIG (White House Iraq Group). The panel members shed their cell phones and BlackBerrys to meet in a secure National Security Council conference room, sifting through classified evidence (much of it now discredited) for data that might win public support for Bush's hard line against Saddam Hussein. Rove seemed to come into the room knowing more than his political brief, said a fellow WHIG. "He'd say, 'I've got a feeling' about something, and he was usually right."

http://www.puertorico-herald.org/issues2/2005/vol09n14/KingKarl.shtml

Thank you for clarifying the SD Oconner situation! I cought a bit of Collins on the PBS nightly news, talking about the consensus, in a rather feverish manner like it was all just an exciting "GAME" WELL IT IS & SHE'S A BIG PLAYER!!!
Does anyone else remember seeing the proscenium arch fall & knock down O Conner at the dedication of the Canstitution Center in Phila last summer? ( C-span) I figured she was retiring under threat of her life!!!
PQ

Well, here's more from Yahoo....wtf?

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050715/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/cia_leak_rove

Novak to the rescue?

http://tinyurl.com/e3amb

Rove Reportedly Held Phone Talk on C.I.A. Officer

Karl Rove, the White House senior adviser, spoke with the columnist Robert D. Novak as he was preparing an article in July 2003 that identified a C.I.A. officer who was undercover, someone who has been officially briefed on the matter said.

Mr. Rove has told investigators that he learned from the columnist the name of the C.I.A. officer, who was referred to by her maiden name, Valerie Plame, and the circumstances in which her husband, former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, traveled to Africa to investigate possible uranium sales to Iraq, the person said.

After hearing Mr. Novak's account, the person who has been briefed on the matter said, Mr. Rove told the columnist: "I heard that, too."

The previously undisclosed telephone conversation, which took place on July 8, 2003, was initiated by Mr. Novak, the person who has been briefed on the matter said.

Six days later, Mr. Novak's syndicated column reported that two senior administration officials had told him that Mr. Wilson's "wife had suggested sending him" to Africa. That column was the first instance in which Ms. Wilson was publicly identified as a C.I.A. operative.

The column provoked angry demands for an investigation into who disclosed Ms. Wilson's name to Mr. Novak. The Justice Department appointed Patrick J. Fitzgerald, a top federal prosecutor in Chicago, to lead the inquiry. Mr. Rove said in an interview with CNN last year that he did not know the C.I.A. officer's name and did not leak it.

More...

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/15/opinion/15krugman.html

Karl Rove's America

John Gibson of Fox News says that Karl Rove should be given a medal. I agree: Mr. Rove should receive a medal from the American Political Science Association for his pioneering discoveries about modern American politics. The medal can, if necessary, be delivered to his prison cell.

What Mr. Rove understood, long before the rest of us, is that we're not living in the America of the past, where even partisans sometimes changed their views when faced with the facts. Instead, we're living in a country in which there is no longer such a thing as nonpolitical truth. In particular, there are now few, if any, limits to what conservative politicians can get away with: the faithful will follow the twists and turns of the party line with a loyalty that would have pleased the Comintern.

...

Every time I read a lament for the post-9/11 era of national unity, I wonder what people are talking about. On the issues I was watching, the Republicans' exploitation of the atrocity began while ground zero was still smoldering.

Mr. Rove has been much criticized for saying that liberals responded to the attack by wanting to offer the terrorists therapy - but what he said about conservatives, that they "saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war," is equally false. What many of them actually saw was a domestic political opportunity - and none more so than Mr. Rove.

A less insightful political strategist might have hesitated right after 9/11 before using it to cast the Democrats as weak on national security. After all, there were no facts to support that accusation.

But Mr. Rove understood that the facts were irrelevant.

...

Ultimately, this isn't just about Mr. Rove. It's also about Mr. Bush, who has always known that his trusted political adviser - a disciple of the late Lee Atwater, whose smear tactics helped President Bush's father win the 1988 election - is a thug, and obviously made no attempt to find out if he was the leaker.

Most of all, it's about what has happened to America. How did our political system get to this point?
More...

Woo-hoo! KKKKarl Rove's Amerikkka. Thank you, Pat C.

You're welcome shy!

Take a look at this. Everything pales compared to this.

Discovery of a First: A World With 3 Suns
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/15/science/15planet.html?pagewanted=print

It orbits a Sun-like star, which also has two other stars in its gravitational embrace. So the planet, its mass slightly greater than Jupiter's, experiences the unearthly spectacles of multiple sunrises and sunsets. Its main sun, bright yellow, hovers close by. The two others, a larger orange one and a smaller red one, pirouette around each other in an orbit comparable to the distance between Saturn and our Sun.

The discovery, reported in yesterday's issue of the journal Nature, has thrown another nasty curve to theorists of the origin and dynamics of planetary systems. A planet occupying an orbit among three stars is seen as more evidence that the solar system may not be typical.

Maciej Konacki of the California Institute of Technology, who made the discovery with the Keck telescope in Hawaii, said scientists previously had no evidence that planets could form or survive in the traffic of such gravitationally complex stellar systems, which were thought to be inhospitable to them.

"This is the first time we have detected a planet in a triple-star system," Dr. Konacki, a planetary researcher, said in a telephone interview. "We have to come up with a new hypothesis of planet formation that can apply in such conditions."

More....

SHould Bush fire Rove? We have a lot of company!
Go vote...........
http://www.cnn.com/
The early bird catches the truth! ABC World News, BEFORE 6 AM, gives more factual info! They interviewed 2 British/ Muslim citizens in the "hood" where the ALLEGED BOMBERS were from. They blamed Bush & Blair, and argued intensly with the clueless reporter, No balanced view from the conservative side! Maybe the reporter just sounded inept because he agreed with the 2 Muslim men? It was refreshing!
PQ

Keep your eye on the bouncing ball!!

This much is clear in a Fox News special, titled "Iran: The Nuclear Threat", that aired on Sunday, May 8.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GE11Ak01.html
PQ

My apologies for taking up broadband with old news. That above was from a bookmarked page.....however I'm sure it more than relevant today!
PQ

Morning, PQ, you early bird! Nothing like truth for breakfast.

Our paths are crossing.

Catch you later!

New AP Poll - Bush falls even lower
Approval rate down to 42%

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/15/34715/7470

Didya see this from Billmon, Jo?

"I just got off the phone with a friend of mine, a veteran investigative reporter, who in turn said he recently talked to one of his old editors, who covered Patrick Fitzgerald when he was an assistant U.S. attorney going after mob guys in New York. So my friend asked him what he thought of the guy.

This is from my friend's memory, but given that he's got 20+ years in the business, and I've known him longer than that, I trust his quotes:

"Fitzgerald is a prosecution machine," the old editor said. "When he wants somebody, he goes after them with whatever he's got. If he can't make the case he started with, he'll figure out what you did do and hit you with that. He's relentless, and he doesn't give a flying fuck about the press or the First Amendment. He'd throw us all in jail if it would help him make his case."

Yes'm, JM, I saw that...

now comes Justin to say what I've been thinking all along... the pit bull is after BIG stuff... Cheney is his target... and if Cheney goes, can Dubya be far behind?

It's a beautiful morning... a really really wonderful, beautiful morning... forget impeachment... INDICTMENT is the operative word... leads to RESIGNATION, DISGRACE, RUIN...

ooophhs, forgot the link

http://antiwar.com/justin/

JM, sing us a song...

Ha,ha!!

I think you just sang one, Jo. I don't think I can follow that one!

But I'll blow into my little pitch machine and get tuned up.

Very good link, Jo. I'm trying to piece the whole thing together since I feel there is a big something with the FBI and CIA that goes along way back.I think these things always self destruct from inner battles.

Gotta go for now, but this one's really got my attention.

Jo,

Actually, the NYTimes did an impressively large Front Page above-the-fold story on Rove a day or two ago. So, it's not like they haven't covered it at all. It was on the Front Page above-the-fold!!!!!! And Maureen Dowd has been on book leave for a couple of months now because she is, in fact, writing another book. She let her readers know about this a while ago.

The Times has actually impressed me a bit with their Rove coverage. Not at all nice to the rez and actually reporting (with hilarious pics of him looking like he's about to hurl) the contentious W.H. Press corps' beating up of Snotty McClellan.

I've waited a couple of years for them to grow a spine. I'm not about to ruin it for myself by nit-picking. I'm too busy eating popcorn! :-)

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0507/S00227.htm

Report Shows Karl Rove May Have Lied to Federal Agents, a Federal Crime, During Oct 2003 Testimony Into CIA Agent Leak

More...

Thanks Jonathan,

I see the NYT only from the internet... don't know what the print copy looks like... I missed Dowd, but didn't realize she had been gone that long (couple of months?)...

anyway, I still believe they are as guilty as Miller... at least the WaPo apologized for their treatment of information during the runup to the invasion... the NYT has never done so... and while you believe they found a spine... my POV is they're more dangerous than spineless... they still continue to print disinformation, still continue to support perpetual war... anyway, I thank you for your comments...

Enjoy your popcorn... be sure you're stocked up! This promises to be an ongoing series... namaste

If you get a chance, Jo, check out Krugman's article today as well as the story in the Times about Rove being Novak's second source. Now all we have to do is find the FIRST source who was, as Novak put it, a High Ranking Senior Official.

Don't worry 'bout me and popcorn, Jo. I have more than enough to go around ... wanna share? ;-)

I'm gonna try and link the stuff I mentioned above:

Article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/15/politics/15rove.html?hp&ex=1121486400&en=bac819afc84e3590&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Krugman:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/15/opinion/15krugman.html

Oops. Just saw upthread someone else posted Krugman's article. Sorry for the oversight and double post.

Jonathan, it's so good it probably should be posted three times.

Excellent toons.

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/po/2005/po050713.gif

http://www.freep.com/voices/edit_art/071505_mt.jpg

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/wpswi/2005/wpswi050714.gif

Olberman's on this (politics is more important than protecting the country) now:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/

Pat C,
What your article(posted at 5:24 am)didn't mention about Rove's big lie is that he knew perfectly well who Joe and Valerie Wilson were by name, because they are members of the same church! Not to mention that the Wilson's have preshool twins. How's that for being a woman/family hater!
The last paragraph of what Sharon posted (Thanks)at 12:31 am today explains their motivation very well. GHWB would kill him for letting Rove betray one of "his" agents otherwise.

To whomever posted the link yesterday at 6:42 pm, it sure shows the true Rove. Thanks. Rove is looking sooo longingly at Bush. The man is in love with dubya; double ick.

Morning all. Great posts. JillG, love sick puppy in love looking photo from the July 14 6:42 am link, agreed' huge ick!

JillG, I forgot about that. I hope you write to some of the blog sites with that and remind them. It's the only way to get it out there.

I forgot to sign off on the photo. It was me.

Good mornin' Morgana!

..............

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=6677

Rove-gate: Who Leaked to the Leakers?
This isn't about Karl Rove

What if Karl Rove isn't guilty of knowingly leaking Valerie Plame's name as a covert CIA agent involved in nuclear proliferation issues? What if Rove's lawyer, Robert Luskin, is correct when he says that he's been assured by prosecutors that his client is not a target of the ongoing investigation into Plame-gate? I'm going to swim against the tide, here, and against the expectations of my readers, by suggesting that this investigation isn't about Rove - and, furthermore, that Rove is a victim, in an important sense, someone who was used and abused by the real culprits. And who are these mysterious culprits? We'll get to that in a moment, but first some background.

One thing that has always struck me as odd about this whole affair - and I wasn't the only one - is a seemingly minor detail: why did Novak's original column, which started all this brouhaha, identify Valerie Plame by her maiden name? After all, most married women - even in this era of Women's Liberation - defer to the tradition of taking their husband's name, but I have to admit that, even after wondering about it for a brief moment, I shrugged and moved on. As it turns out, however, this is an important detail, because now we have Rove's lawyer saying that he at no time gave out Valerie Plame's name: but if Rove identified her as Joe Wilson's wife, what the heck is the difference?

The difference is that, as Valerie Plame, Mrs. Wilson was affiliated with a CIA front company, Brewster-Jennings & Associates, engaged in tracking and stopping the proliferation of nuclear weapons. As soon as her name was made public, the implications for U.S. national security amounted to a grave breach - far more of a crime than merely violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, which has only had a single prosecution since its passage in 1982. As the Washington Post reported when the Plame scandal broke:

"A former diplomat who spoke on condition of anonymity said yesterday that every foreign intelligence service would run Plame's name through its databases within hours of its publication to determine if she had visited their country and to reconstruct her activities. 'That's why the agency is so sensitive about just publishing her name,' the former diplomat said."

The publication of her maiden name not only endangered Valerie Wilson, but also blew the cover of a CIA front and imperiled anyone she might have come in contact with during her stint overseas. This isn't just a matter of of violating a statute that, at most, entails a 10-year jail sentence and a fine - this is a question of possible espionage.

More....

http://jasonleopold.blogspot.com/2005/07/karl-rove-may-have-lied-to-federal.html

Report Shows Karl Rove May Have Lied to Federal Agents, a Federal Crime, During Oct 2003 Testimony Into CIA Agent Leak

Looks like Karl Rove did break the law, the same federal law that got Martha Stewart sentenced to six months in prison.

It now appears that Rove, President Bush's chief of staff, may have lied to the FBI in October 2003-a federal crime-when he was questioned by federal agents investigating who was responsible for leaking information about a covert CIA operative to the media.

During questioning by the FBI about his role in the Plame affair, Rove told federal agents that he only started sharing information about Plame with reporters and White House officials for the first time after conservative columnist Robert Novak identified her covert CIA status in his column on July 14, 2003, according to a March 2004 report in the American Prospect about Rove's testimony, a copy of which can be found at http://www.prospect.org/print-friendly/webfeatures/2004/03/waas-m-03-08.html But Rove wasn't truthful with the FBI what with the recent disclosure of Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper's emails, which reveal Rove as the source for Cooper's own July 2003 story identifying Plame as a CIA operative, and show that Rove spoke to Cooper nearly a week before Novak's column was published and, according to previously published news reports, spoke to a half-dozen other reporters about Plame as early as June 2003. "Iit was, KR said, wilson's wife, who apparently works at the agency on wmd [weapons of mass destruction] issues who authorized (Wilson's) trip," Cooper's July 11, 2003, email to his editor, obtained by Newsweek, says. "Wilson's wife is Plame, then an undercover agent working as an analyst in the CIA's Directorate of Operations counterproliferation division. (Cooper later included the essence of what Rove told him in an online story.) The e-mail characterizing the conversation continues: "not only the genesis of the trip is flawed an[d] suspect but so is the report. he [Rove] implied strongly there's still plenty to implicate iraqi interest in acquiring uranium fro[m] Niger .. "

Moreover, evidence suggests that President Bush was aware as early as October 2003 that Rove and I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, were the sources who leaked Plame's undercover CIA status to reporters and after the president was briefed about the issue the president said publicly that the source of the leak will never be found....

More...links within text

In late August 2006 Rove's S-node transit with be conjunct his Natal S-node. That is usually a signal of karmic come uppins. Saturn will be transiting his natal Pluto. He may be working on some serious transformation. We can only hope.

Bush is going through a S-node conjunction to his natal Moon now coupled with a Jupiter transit at the same point. Jupiter will be moving on but the S-node will stick around until Saturn enters his conjucting with Mercury/Asc. Maybe the 12th house president will finally emerge from that fog he has been hiding behind. On top of the he has had a series of transist from the outer planets that have been giving him an invinceable set of grand trines forming a Star of David pattern by way of transits to his natal.
This has been in effect since election time and has come and gone in strength but will dissipate in late August of this year... like about a month. Since it involves the generational planets I am inclined to think that this is indicative of the waning support. I predict that by the end of the year the adminstration will be just a shadow of its former self.

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