It seemed like a last-ditch desperate attempt to regain some credibility from an ineffective president in the last throes of his Saturn return.

My sentiments precisely, Sally. Thank you for your post. A few days of glitter, and then the reality of the insane message starts to trickle down the pundits.

Funny the pundits are saying "he was so honest, he told the truth, he leveled with the American people, he told us war was hard and long...!"

Like this is rocket science. And like they have never heard truth from him before. HMMM. The press is the "Nation of Sheep."

I think you give the press too much credit Beasley. If they were just sheep, we could feel sorry for them. I think they are compicit.

Amen, Sally, amen. Complicit. But, why? Fear? Big business pressure on media, leading to fear?

It's me Beasley, Pat C. The media is so conglomerated now and owned by corporate that they are now just spokesmen and women for them, and corporate also runs this administration. They are all one in the same.

The illusion of free speech and freedom of the press is lifting for sure.

Ooops! GOP damage contro on the horizon.

http://tinyurl.com/c33t5

Senate GOP Plans Spending Boost for Vets

Struggling to prevent political damage, Senate Republicans intend to raise spending on veterans programs by $1.5 billion to make up for a shortage caused partly by the return of troops from Iraq and Afghanistan, officials said Tuesday.

"I'm glad they have seen the light," said Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada. He said majority Republicans had refused to provide the money when members of his party called for it earlier in the year.

Sen. Larry Craig (news, bio, voting record), R-Idaho, who chairs the Veterans Committee, said a vote was likely Tuesday or Wednesday.

The decision to approve the funds came in response to last week's disclosure that the Department of Veterans Affairs needs $1 billion more for veterans health care this year.

Republicans swiftly retreated on the issue in the Senate, but not in the House.

There, the GOP defeated a Democratic effort to provide an extra $1 billion for veterans health care. The 217-189 vote was along party lines.

More...

Please take a look at this and watch the video, pass it on to anyone and everyone.

http://www.iwtnews.com/

Also, take a look at the cute sandals advertising on our little blog, they look great and well priced (plus you get a purse.

Sally, I went there but I am trying to remember my yahoo password.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0506/S00400.htm
15 Things About Bush&Co.: An Impeachment List

I didn't hear the speech but I saw his face in passing. It was all screwed up in a fearful tight knot. He looked absolutely awful. Pictures penetrate into the subconscious more and I think that's what the people will see... a frightened child with no confidence desperately trying to keep up appearances. He looked like he did not want to be there. I do believe the people will understand that this situation is out of the WH's control. And that George Bush is what he always was.... a failure.

You're right, Sally...DOA.

George is scared shitless, just like Laura was when she went to the Middle East. What they're facing is an increasingly angry mob, and that is genuinely frightening. This is a first for them and they don't know how to handle it. We're after their butts and they know it. Tonight's pitiful performance topping the bloopers of Cheney and Rove are an indication of how ill equipped they are. Looks bad.

I heard that more videos and pics from Abu Graib are coming out at the end of this month (a fews days from now). The ACLU sued the admin. to release all the photos and movies and they won.

I have heard that they are hideous with proof of boys and women being raped (sick to even think about it. It makes me cry). I Think this maybe the beginning of the end, no?

George wants his father's love so bad. He doesnt know how to give love to others. So sad. He desires love from others, he desires love from himself, he desires to recieve love from others. He has yet to learn to desire to love himself, to desire to love others, and to desire to give love to others. A chronicle of our time, our sadness. The last days of this world system. Redemption? What is redemption? Redemption is us learning to love ourselves. Face the darkness. She is coming. Love is coming.

Luke: Im not afraid.
Yoda: You will be.

Redemption. We will taste it.

You have a point, Chris. Daddy was very busy loving Bill Clinton today. They're quite an item.

Excellent summation Sally! I thought the soldiers looked tired and unhappy. There was absolutely no enthusiasm in that audience. Not much sign of "awe" to see the Commander in Chief.

Well, what struck me was his comment at the end about history remembering the war in Afghanistan and Iraq being the turning point for freedom...
I thought, yes, most certainly, but nowhere near close to the manner that he thinks it will happen.

Does anyone know how to find out how much money is generated by this war machine apparatis? Publicly traded companies besides Halliburton distributing profits? I'm sure if it were known and that figure were publicized, people would be shocked. What do you think of the idea of somehow starting a movement to pressure legislators into outlawing war profiteering? After all, the military boots on the ground and their families are sacrificing, why shouldn't others?

It's not playing well from the beginning... When Faux Noos and CNN allows criticism of speech, Bush is in trouble... huge wave of criticism about tying 9/11 to Iraq (This from Yahoo News - AP wire)

"The president's frequent references to the terrorist attacks of September 11 show the weakness of his arguments," House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi said. "He is willing to exploit the sacred ground of 9/11, knowing that there is no connection between 9/11 and the war in Iraq."

and the blogs are all over it see Billmon for more.

Now comes news of a copter being downed by hostile fire in Afghanistan! Maybe 17 USA troops lost...

The war in Afghanistan is escalating... we are already in a quagmire in Iraq... and they are threatening Syria and Iran...

Bullies can't cover the neighborhood --- especially when the neighbors start fighting back.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8391112/

Bush's words ring hollow... in this day and time when they are analyzed at the speed of light by millions of people... when his numbers are down and the troops are demoralized... when more and more Americans are dying for lies...

Kerry? Where were his words last October, and November?

Dean? Where are his anti-war protests now? He is saying we 'have to stay the course' --- Is Dennis K. the only voice against staying in Iraq? And what of Afghanistan?

Anybody REALLY think we are going to leave either of these countries and all that oil and the pipeline? We're there friends... the fascists are not about to leave. Bush says the bloodshed is worth it... course it's not his blood we're talking about. And the only approval I care about whether or not he has is mine, and he'll never get that.

Americans knew he carried baggage into the Oval Office. A candidate with a history of DECADES of alcoholism...? Who had given up the bottle? A dry drunk in the White House? That's a good thing?

He has everyone focused on this pathetic speech while the SCOTUS has ruled on Plame case... is anybody listening to that, or will the media let Bush's failed words provide a smokescreen for that and the mounting numbers of fallen troops!

I'm sick to death of these fascists.

CAFTA: 'Sweatshop Labor'
By Lee Louis
The Courier-Journal

Monday 27 June 2005

The proposed Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA) was signed by President Bush on May 28, 2004. A year later the Bush administration still has not brought it to a vote but plans to by early July. The House and Senate began hearings in April, and the vote has been expected to fall along partisan lines with only a few Democrats in the House supporting it and a few Republicans from sugar- and textile-producing states opposing it. It is clear from the debate thus far that this vote will be a referendum on the success and failures of NAFTA.

CAFTA has already been ratified by El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras despite huge protests and police violence. It is evident that the people of Central America know that CAFTA, like its predecessor NAFTA, will increase the divide between the rich and the poor, making life more difficult for the majority of workers. The maquiladoras that have opened because of NAFTA along the U.S.-Mexican border have become a stark contrast to the high-wage manufacturing jobs lost in the United States. With U.S. companies taking advantage of sweatshop labor in a "race to the bottom" for the lowest wages, undocumented immigration to the United States increases, in part due to the actions of these multinational corporations.

As U.S. companies ask, "How low can we go in the pursuit of profits?" when will the American people ask, "How much longer are we going to allow this to happen?"

Whoever posted at 1:07 - John Kerry was very visible last night and had some excellent points, I saw him I believe on MSNBC. He also wrote an Op/Ed in the NYT about what the prez SHOULD say. He is with us.

Not sure about the others.

This is the perfect metaphor....but even worse, true.

http://mediamatters.org/items/printable/200506280004

Contradicting generals, WSJ exaggerated Iraqi troop capability

A June 27 Wall Street Journal editorial (subscription required) cited vague and misleading statistics to claim that Iraqi security forces are growing in size and capability. The editorial, titled "The Iraq Panic," argued that growing pessimism about Iraq ignores the "tangible, albeit underreported, progress" taking place there, including the fact that "[a]bout 100 Iraqi [security] units are now able to conduct special operations on their own." But the editorial provided neither the source of this statistic nor further detail regarding the type of "units" in question.

Though the Journal did not specify what size "units" it was referring to (battalions? companies? platoons?) military officials have made clear that the true number of Iraqi troops who regularly operate independently of U.S. forces is quite small.

During a June 23 House Armed Services Committee hearing, Gen. George Casey, the Iraq theater commander, stated that "there are about now, after the elections, more than 100 battalions ... in the Iraqi army and special police." Since the Journal editorial responded directly to several other comments made in recent Armed Services Committee hearings, it is likely that the term "units" referred to these battalions. If so, the Journal appears to have significantly overstated the capability of the Iraqi security forces in claiming that these units could "conduct special operations on their own." According to recent reports, of 107 currently operational Iraqi military battalions, only three are capable of operating independently:

The military official in charge of training the Iraqi troops, Army Lt. Gen. David Petraeus, told a delegation of members of Congress, including Rep. Harold Ford (D-TN), "that only three of the 107 battalions had been fully trained to defend Iraq." [Associated Press, 6/4/05]
"Overall, the number of Iraqi military and police trained and equipped is more than 169,000, according to the U.S. military, which has also said there are 107 operational military and special police battalions. As of last month, however, U.S. and Iraqi commanders had rated only three battalions capable of operating independently." [The Washington Post, 6/10/05]
"The American command says there are now 107 battalions of Iraqi troops and paramilitary police units, totaling 169,000 men," but "only three battalions are rated fully operational by the Americans, and many others are far behind in terms of manpower, training and equipment." [The New York Times, 6/13/05]

More....

http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/05/06/int05026.html

Jonathan S. Adelstein, FCC Commissioner, Needs Your Help In the Fight Against Media Consolidation

The ’96 Telecom Act, even according to the courts, only required that we review the rules, not that we necessarily gut them. The decision to severely roll them back was not mandated by the courts. In fact, we now know, from the Third Circuit Court of Appeals, which has been today [June 13, 2005] upheld by the Supreme Court, that in fact the rules provided us much greater latitude. We would have been better served by working to promote the public interest more fully and being much more careful about our deregulating these media conglomerates.

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http://www.bushflash.com/right.html

After the Desperate Public Relations Speech by Bush, It's Important to Remember the Lies. Have We Forgotten the Karl Rove Motto? If You Repeat a Lie Five Times, It Becomes the Truth? (A Flash Presentation) 6/29

George Bush maybe there for the next three years and he may be gone by Dec. But his influence is or has lost its grip on the American people. So for those of us that would like for him to be moved to Crawford, what do we want? What do we think will happen if George isn't president anymore? What do we want to see happen? The entire world is in political chaos. We do need the oil and there will continue to be wars over it unless we learn to share and that means doing with less in America, that means you and me. So what are we willing to do, what do we want?

http://www.whatthebleep.com/

Well, & I just think all the world's people, esp the ameriCO, shld simply direct all their resources, incl bank accts... make it all out to dicky-doo cheney et al... then that wld save untold misery for the Afghani/Iraqi peoples. We cld leave out assaults altogether meant to grab all resources. ...leave out violence on the middle peoples so to speak. But then, all this monies is so abstract... numbers on a computer page? Is it real? Bah. Humbug.

we need to let it all implode Sally, so we can build anew. It's too broken to fix.

Hi Sally & All:

I've been lurking of late but that's changing. Sally, here's a confirmation of your astrological interpretation. He's truly out of friends and luck. I liked the remarks upthread about his face telling it all. Particularly at the end of the speech, he started crying. I know, I know, guys get extrea credit for crying ... sheesh ... but not at inappropriate times, like when you sad because you realize the other show is dropping and you won't be able to go out and knock over countries and reap mayhem any more. He was pathetic as a Person last night, whiney, cry-baby.

Oh, the proof of Sally's point:
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CNN Flash Poll, Bush FAILS Miserably...Mostly Repub. sample. Whoa!

Here is the transcript from Aaron Brown tonight. My highlights tell the story. With a 2 to 1 Republican poll sample (many of "us" didn't watch,haha), he still gets a majority who say his Iraq policy is a failure. Mission accomplished! The public has awakened. Watch out *.

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Transcript: CNN Aaron Brown, June 28, 2005 10:00PM-11:00PM EDT

BILL SCHNEIDER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Aaron, we spoke to speak who watched the president's speech tonight and asked them their reaction.

Now, this not a random sample of the American public. People who watched the president's speech were more likely to be Republicans. OK? That's right. It's about two to one Republicans. It's ((50 percent Republicans,)) 23 percent Democratic, 27 percent independent.

Now, 46 percent of those viewers had a very positive reaction to the speech. Now, that is considerably lower than the 67 percent who had a very positive reaction to the president's speech of May the 1st, 2003, when he declared the major fighting in Iraq over from the deck of the aircraft carrier.

In fact, 46 percent is a less favorable response than President Bush has gotten to most of his State of the Union speeches.

The president scored his biggest gains on this question: is it better for the U.S. to keep a significant number of troops in Iraq until the situation improves, even if that takes many years, or should the U.S. set a timetable for removing troops?

Before the speech, 58 percent of these viewers said the U.S. should keep troops in Iraq as long as it takes. After the speech, that number jumped 12 points, to 70 percent.

Now President Bush argued that Iraq is the latest battlefield in the war on terrorism and that Americans fight in Iraq to protect the United States from another attack like 9/11.

But ((fewer than half the viewers, 45 percent)), to be precise, believe the war in Iraq has made the war on terrorism easier. ((Thirty- seven percent said it's made the war on terrorism tougher, and 14 percent say it hasn't made any difference.)) **or 46% positive; 51% negative**

So you have a majority of viewers, 37 plus 14, again, a strongly Republican group, rejecting the president's argument that Iraq has helped the U.S. in the overall war on terrorism -- Aaron.

BROWN: OK. I think I heard coming up that about half the people who watched the speech tonight self-identify as Republicans. Is that about right?

SCHNEIDER: That's right. It's about two to one Republicans. It's 50 percent Republicans, 23 percent Democratic, 27 percent independent.

And here's something interesting: we -- a thousand people told us -- told the Gallup poll that they intended to watch the speech. But when we contacted them after the speech, only a third of them actually watched. There are a lot of other things people do on a summer evening.

* Same as a Draft but worse: Pentagon Developing Massive Database on Millions of US Students. Mars in Aries pushes Military to find more cannon fodder using No Child Left Behind Act!

http://www.aquasoul.com/AstroHeadlines.html

Mike, glad to know you're still close by. I've missed your unique perspective. I hope you and Guido are well.

I didn't watch the speech. I just couldn't. He didn't really get all misty-eyed, did he?

Them cancer malebots can get all misty-eyed at the drop of a twin towers. ;O)

OMG, every Friday there is an anti-war protest in front of the capital. Last Friday, I couldn't believe the growing number of people joining in with their signs. I truly believe that Uranus is working his magic and opening people's eyes.

Sally, regarding your last post, it's not a matter of what I want, but it is a matter of astrology. In all the charts I have seen(the 1st and 2nd term charts, his natal and progressed chart) I believe that Bush is headed into some hard times. It would be hard for me to see him finishing this term.

Travieso, have you read Robert Blaschke's articles? For sure go read # 12: The 2000 Jupiter-Saturn Grand Conjunction @ Taurus 23:
Antiscion of George W. Bush's Ascendant. He definitely thinks something is going down down down for Bush. And you're right, many many other astrologers think the same. Hopefully, if it is true, it will be scandal and not assassination.

Even Kryon [channelling] noted that this term for Bush would be one of the shortest terms in American history. The information is all over.

P.S. If it comes to be an assassination (hopefully NOT), then think "inside job." Seriously.

Sorry, forgot the link to Blaschke: http://www.earthwalkastrology.com/

Here's a little ditty from Janis Joplin, done solo with no musical accompaniment. It was intended to be a picture of the small Texas town she came from. These must be the same people who continued to support W even when their streams turned green and carbonated.

"Mercedes Benz
Janis Joplin, Bob Neuwirth, Michael McClure

Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz? My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends. Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends, So Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?

Oh Lord, won't you buy me a color TV? Dialing For Dollars is trying to find me. I wait for delivery each day until three, So oh Lord, won't you buy me a color TV?

Oh Lord, won't you buy me a night on the town? I'm counting on you, Lord, please don't let me down. Prove that you love me and buy the next round, Oh Lord, won't you buy me a night on the town?

Everybody!

Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz? My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends, Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends, So oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?

That's it!"

Sally, great article!

Pat C, thanks for the bleep website and that's one of my favorite songs (the one you posted above). I used to sing it at the top of my lungs when I was a kid!

Did he really cry at the end of his speech? My sister in law called, and, the picture on my TV isn't clear enough to read the pix while otherwise occupied. ( Dish TV used up so much of my time..........I wound up taking a refund!...........don't have the time or energy to do it again even tho someone in the company gave me the right buzzwords to order service with no committment, and ask for essential service...$9.99 per mo. with cspan 1 & 2 a clear picture I guess ????? ) I can't figure out how these Corps stay in business?>?????? Guess the sheeple are to timid to do anything but accept their, { TV CO,} abuse of our good will, in their fervor to watch prurient, loud, lying, reality TV!
Other corporate abuse.......( I won a small victory here) Verizon called this AM to see why I havn't made a payment. ( If they took notes they would see that I get the WIdows Pension on the 3rd of every month!) I had already called to see if I could bargin for a payment plan so that I can make long distance calls to the Dr's, hospital, Ronald MacDonald House
( where my son is staying for the duration of his treatment)
Even saying that if I spend $10. for a phone card, that's 10 they don't get, didn't make a dent in the steel plate! They wanted the entire $156.18 or no go!!
my sis in law sent me a check yesterday which has to clear from the Fla. bank, so I explained I woulkd pay in full but weanted the charges itemized. There was a $5.00 fee which they charged me, without notification when they chose to notify Working Assets long distance service, that I was terminating! ( also without notificqation!) And they were going to charge me $5.00 to reconnect............AND I had to take my prescious time to call them back to do this in a few days, when my check arrives.! By talking like a lawyer..........."we notifyed you by mail." "Did you send a certified letter?" No we don't do that." I got them to conceed the 5 paymernts &
write up the order today..so I don't have to call again. How hard was that? Think I'll make up official looking stationary from a law office to use in self defense!
As a self employed person "TIME IS MONEY! I'm tired of having it preempted by a corp.!!!!!!!
Travieso, You were right my son is slim & blond!
No news yet..we are waiting for the results from the petscan; & the chemo Dr. called today looking for him to do another test! He read carefully all the printed out caring from you all and it really meant a lot to him.
(((((((((((((((Marta))))))))))))))
Sending white light for your brother. I hope he comes home soon.
Comment seen on S CHimp blog " It's time to grab the tar pots and feathers and rush Pennsylvannia Ave!"
Great dialogue going here, don't have time to do more than skim!
PQ

New York Times Editorial

June 29, 2005
President Bush's Speech About Iraq
President Bush told the nation last night that the war in Iraq was difficult but winnable. Only the first is clearly true. Despite buoyant cheerleading by administration officials, the military situation is at best unimproved. The Iraqi Army, despite Mr. Bush's optimistic descriptions, shows no signs of being able to control the country without American help for years to come. There are not enough American soldiers to carry out the job they have been sent to do, yet the strain of maintaining even this inadequate force is taking a terrible toll on the ability of the United States to defend its security on other fronts around the world.

We did not expect Mr. Bush would apologize for the misinformation that helped lead us into this war, or for the catastrophic mistakes his team made in running the military operation. But we had hoped he would resist the temptation to raise the bloody flag of 9/11 over and over again to justify a war in a country that had nothing whatsoever to do with the terrorist attacks. We had hoped that he would seize the moment to tell the nation how he will define victory, and to give Americans a specific sense of how he intends to reach that goal - beyond repeating the same wishful scenario that he has been describing since the invasion.

Sadly, Mr. Bush wasted his opportunity last night, giving a speech that only answered questions no one was asking. He told the nation, again and again, that a stable and democratic Iraq would be worth American sacrifices, while the nation was wondering whether American sacrifices could actually produce a stable and democratic Iraq.

Given the way this war was planned and executed, the president does not have any good options available, and if American forces were withdrawn, Iraq would probably sink into a civil war that would create large stretches of no man's land where private militias and stateless terrorists could operate with impunity. But if Mr. Bush is intent on staying the course, it will take years before the Iraqi government and its military are able to stand on their own. Most important of all - despite his lofty assurance last night that in the end the insurgents "cannot stop the advance of freedom" - all those years of effort and suffering could still end with the Iraqis turning on each other, or deciding that the American troops were the ultimate enemy after all. The critical challenge is to gauge, with a clear head, exactly when and if the tipping point arrives and the American presence is only making a terrible situation worse.

Mr. Bush has been under pressure, even from some Republicans, to come up with a timeline for an exit. It makes no sense to encourage the insurrectionists by telling them that if their suicide bombers continue to blow themselves up at the current rate, the Americans will be leaving in six months or a year. It is Iraq's elected officials, who desperately need an American presence, who have to be told that Washington's support isn't open-ended.

The elected government is the only hope, but its current performance is far from promising. While the support of the Shiite's powerful Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani for the democratic elections was heartening, the Shiite majority in Parliament is mainly composed of religious parties competing to demonstrate that they have the ayatollah's ear. The Kurds continue to put broader national interests behind their own goal of an autonomous ministate that would include the oil fields of Kirkuk. The Sunnis, who boycotted the election, are only now being brought into the constitution-writing effort and so far have made no real effort to mobilize against the terrorists in their midst.

Pressure from the Bush administration for the government to do better has increased since the State Department took control of Iraq policy from the Pentagon. But there is much more to do, and the president needed to show the American people that he is not giving the Iraqi politicians a blank check to fritter away their opportunities.

Listening to Mr. Bush offer the usual emotional rhetoric about the advance of freedom and the sacrifice of American soldiers, our thoughts went back to some of the letters we received in anticipation of the speech. One was from the brother of a fallen Marine, who said he did not want Mr. Bush to say the war should continue in order to keep faith with the men and women who have died fighting it. "We do not need more justifications for the war. We need an effective strategy to win it," he wrote. Another letter came from an opponent of the invasion who urged the American left to "get over its anger over President Bush's catastrophic blunder" and start trying to figure out how to win the conflict that exists.

No one wants a disaster in Iraq, and Mr. Bush's critics can put aside, at least temporarily, their anger at the administration for its hubris, its terrible planning and its inept conduct of the war in return for a frank discussion of where to go from here. The president, who is going to be in office for another three and a half years, cannot continue to obsess about self-justification and the need to color Iraq with the memory of 9/11. The nation does not want it and cannot afford it.

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Marta, it's one of my favorites too!

Pat QOP, good for you!!

The New York Tims had not all that much pity.

From the Smirking Chimp ....

George Bush’s Recipe for Blackened Iraqi Policy Bread

complied by Becki from Smirking Chimp

Ingredients:

1. One large can of predicted quagmire.
2. One-quarter cup of sour grudge.
3. One half cup of PNAC nuts.
4. One half cup of dried fruits.
5. One cup of references to 9/11.
6. One cup of references to terror.
7. Five slices of pre-cooked intelligence.
8. Two heaping tablespoons of sweet happy talk.
9. One tablespoon of Republican snake oil.

Utensils:

1. A porous coalition for beating.
2. A large mixing bowl.
3. A bread press.

Directions:

First, cool the press, grease with Republican snake oil, and let stand. This helps silence any dissent that may arise later during the baking process and gives the surface of the bread a nice smooth appearance.

Empty the can of predicted quagmire into the mixing bowl and add the five slices of pre-cooked intelligence. “Bolton and Company” make an excellent brand, but any brand will work.

Add one half cup of chopped PNAC nuts. Add one half cup your choice of fruits. You can use either colorful evangelicals or white neo-nazis. I recommend the colorful evangelicals because they give the bread a more appealing look.

Fold the fruits, intelligence, and nuts into the quagmire by beating vigorously with the porous coalition. Continue to beat vigorously until the mixture reaches the consistency of a smooth pack of lies. Add the sour grudge and the sweet happy talk and continue to beat the mixture until you see peaks of resistance.

Pour the mixture into the press. Compress until it is about one inch in height. This will enable the bread to be cut into bite size pieces which will make it easier to swallow.

Remove the bread from the press and sprinkle the top with the liberal references to 9/11 and the war on terror.

Bake in a pre-set electionic oven. This will give the bread the nice look of a mandate. Bake until the bread is covered with a hardened policy crust. Continue to bake until the crust resembles a blackened world reputation.

Remove the bread and let stand until for a year and a half.

If the bread makes one sick after eating I recommend a fresh impeach to purge the system and restore normal digestion.

Found on the Noetic Cafe as a post. Oh crap! Does this mean they have pictures of me in my backyard????????? I rarely wear a suit when I'm alone at home and going to jump in the pool. JJJJeeeezzzzzzzzzzz. Now that really would piss me off! Guess I need to study how to create an area of no visibility over my pool as soon as I figure out how to train my mind to do it, that is ... :) Anyway, after reading the post it ocurred to me that the last thing our government wants us to do is learn how to open and train our minds. That's why organized religion and dogma is being shoved down our throats day and night, all of which teach conformity and non-thinking. Ergo, that's why they don't want this ashram. If it were a Baptist church they would be supporting it. But not an ashram, with all that is implied.

"The High Sierras Ashram"
05-11-05, 09:03 am (PDT)
The current government surveillance of our private lives can be upsetting. Below are some excerpts from an email forwarded to us by Doroethy Leonard, the grand-daughter of Franklin Merrell Wolff.
In the twenty years between 1930 and 1950, Franklin Merrell-Wolff and his family and friends built an ashram, a place for meditative retreat, away up in the High Sierra mountains, a few miles from Mount Whitney (where the Humphrey Bogart movie was filmed). It was built in the shape of an equal-arm cross out of the stone which was blasted off of the point of a mountain ridge to make a flat area for the ashram. The area has recently been designated a wilderness area. The building is quite sturdy, but the four-gabled roof suffers every winter from the high winds and heavy snows. The volunteers, who went up to the ashram this month to assess the needed repairs to the roof, wrote the following:

"Hello Doroethy! I presume you are sitting down when you read this email....When I got the information I'm about to relay to you I was stunned, shaking my head and wondering if I should emigrate....

"Russ and I went to the Ashram last Sunday to measure the roof etc. First we encountered two massive avalanches that occurred this winter. The one near the bridge just before you get to the ashram was especially devastating. The valley from the waterfall (in the south canyon) is completely flattened. You can almost walk right up to the waterfall. The debris of fallen trees, rocks, etc. has covered the bridge totally and it was hard to tell if the bridge is still intact. Upon completion of our objective, we walked back down the path with all the measurements on paper in our pocket. A good feeling!

"Russ has a friend that works out of Washington, D.C., in the wilderness department. He was in L.A. a few days ago and made a special trip to Lone Pine to see Russ about the Ashram. He handed Russ three photographs that were taken by satellite ... yes, satellite ... showing us on top of the roof last Sunday. He affirmed that certain people are not pleased with our continued fix up over the Ashram and if we continue we are liable to be prosecuted, fined, etc.

"Well, needless to say I felt like I just entered the twilight zone. I called Russ again and he insisted that all this is on the level. I talked to Paul and Robert about this and we find it hard to believe. Maybe we should pursue a legal avenue with the forest service and get permission for the caretaking of the Ashram for future generations ... Historical Landmark?... Let me know your thoughts on this and lets pray for a rightful solution."

Mindlink

Sally,

You ask the perfect question. What are we willing to do?

The cognitive dissonance is with all of us. Here is one example. We go to a protest gathering against the corporate government in our gas guzzling vehicles made with petroleum products on roads made of those as well. After we leave in righteous indignation we stop at the store to buy groceries all packaged in petroleum products. It is phenomenal how much oil consumption each of us engages in every day. People get visibly angry with me when I point this out.

The human creature has a voracious appetite. We created this dependency on the elite together with them a long time ago to build our railroads, highways, oil wells, gas pumps, etc., to get our energy to us so we could live these lives of comfort. They are doing the work that we don't do ourselves. Corruption has been an outgrowth forever. Now we are stuck but if we recognize our part in it we will be part way there in coming to what will have to be a highly creative innovative solution. The sooner we transfer some of our hatred and resentment to this process, the faster we will come to relief. And Sally is right. Bush will be gone, then what? There is a lot to do.

But this is encouraging: Boone Pickens, the famous oil tycoon just said this...

"The high prices of oil haven't taken the wind out of the US economy because of efficiency gains made over the past 25 years. Down the road, however, he anticipates more serious pain at the pump until, eventually, fossil fuel consumption tapers off and alternatives become more popular.

did anyone else hear that loud clunking noise last night?

methinks it was the sound of wheels coming of'n the li'l red wagon ...

sally, you sure nailed it, along with starcats' pre-speech take on this astonishing display of nude emporer.

Joanna,

You are so succinct... only person I've ever seen who could zap in 15 words or less!

"Them cancer malebots can get all misty-eyed at the drop of a twin towers. ;O)"

Just found this:

"It was a great day here in Georgia as Justice Leah Ward Sears became the first African-American female ever sworn in as Chief Justice of the Georgia Supreme Court. Though the complete ideological opposite of Thomas, I thought Thomas's words "I never thought I'd see the day a black woman became chief justice of the Georgia Supreme Court" were eloquent and very true.

Ironically, our idiot-savant Republican Governor, who's also a shill for BushCo., didn't show up, since he had actively supported Sears' opponent during her run for re-elelction last fall. Or as we like to say down here *Damn Republicans*.

For those of us who backed Sears in her re-election last fall, it's a sweet day indeed.

Glad to see you back Mike. I agree regarding his "crying" however with T Saturn on his Natal Saturn I expect he does feel sad, very sad and sorry for himself. It wasn't tears for those whose lives have been lost or for the innocent people in Iraq. He's crying for himself and the stress he's been feeling over "no one likes me."

Travieso, you misunderstood my comments. I am talking about all of us, collectively. What outcome do we want. It's not enough or won't be enough for Bush and CO to leave, what do we want or who do we want to go into the vacuum because there will be a vacuum. People all over the world have been focusing on Bush and the things he's done or been doing, so much anger, resentment and hatred going to Bush and friends, where will our anger go? What do we want to fill the vacuum created by their loss of force? Do we even want to be a part of building something positive or continue being a part of something that is dying? That's the question Travieso, because the problems will not end with the removal of this administration. Also, there may not be a removal, astrologers have been right time and time again regarding the scandals, the corruption, the anger of the people, but energy is just energy and what we didn't count on is the extreme amount of cover up by the press and with tremendous amounts of money. We didn't count on how far down the rabbit hole the people had plunged and we don't know how long it will take the people to crawl back out.

There isn't a known leader (yet) who will swing that beacon of light out of the hole, because of that lack, there is still a question as to whether this administration's agenda can or will be brought down. As I said our problems will not end with Bush gone, if he's gone, so what do we want?

Disculpame Sally. Okay, I get it. That is a good question. I wonder if the coming Uranus squared Pluto in the US chart in 2012 will be the final showdown between America (liberal individualists like us and our forefathers and mothers) and "Generica" (what I call the America that is driven by the excessive greed of the corporate controlled capitalism and the cult of the ego)? May that square will be the result of all this negative energy?

Where will the anger go?

I am amazed at the fixation and the blame on others. I know as an Aries rising how anger can be channeled into productivity with great will applied. I am hoping when Uranus goes into Aries that something like this will occur. Sometimes Aries doesn't stick around in a bad losing game but forges ahead to create a new one.

I'm not so sure we have to crawl out of the rabbit hole. Maybe we can dig through and create a path to a new opening.

It's a collective decision to leave what this administration represents behind but our attention has to move away from the players. They will continue the act as long as the audience is there.

I know I keep harping on this, but the anger we are experiencing is connected to the Pluto transit of our USA Mars. When Pluto crossed my natal Mars, it was the most violent and transformative experience of my life. The Twin Towers demolition was an event that triggered the release of collective rage. Now the uselessness of this war is apparent. We have just gone through a transformative process in our approach to defense and aggression that has yet to be incorporated into our system. It's possible that the major violence is over for a while, but that remains to be seen. It is our individual responsibility to turn our own anger into something useful.

Where oh where is shylurker?

In answer to the question "What do we want?"....

I want a decent government, or at least one that isn't completely obscene.

Here's a start. It's quite imperfect, but this guy waw front and center for the Clinton hunt.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8406844/site/newsweek/

Fineman - Newsweek

....

Careful with the rhetoric

So grim may sell. But the president needs to be careful. In a war fought for and in the name of freedom, he doesn’t want to mimic, however inadvertently and superficially, the theatrical style of the tyrant we went to war to dethrone.

And there was something eerily, even disturbingly, evocative about the president’s speech at Fort Bragg. Here was a wartime leader depicting a nation under siege—his own—in what looked to be an airless, windowless place, speaking to a silent but supportive cast of beret-wearing military officers. Seeking to steel them for the struggles ahead, in which the very existence of the nation was at stake, he recalled the country’s great victories of the past. He called for new recruits to join the army, and on citizens to express their patriotism by creating public displays. He vowed he would never to give in—which brought thunderous applause from his loyal if perhaps a bit nervous officers. As he rallied his own corps, he seemed to imply that anyone who questioned the course he had set was exhibiting traitorous weakness.

We have to remake the Middle East, not turn into it.

"I'm not sure we do have to crawl out of the rabbit hole" I love that jm, and maybe we don't. Maybe it would be in our best interest to keep digging.

It's the lack of leaders I find curious, and I do think we are the leaders we've been waiting for, we, the people. I sort of think we, the people, all over the world have gotten ourselves into trouble by not paying attention to the leaders we choose and then they stop listening to the people who put them there. I am past ready to call a halt to this system.

The anger is partly Pluto, but there have been other Pluto transits to Mars and while there has been anger, it hasn't nearly come to the kind of split we are seeing in America today. I am inclined to think it's Pluto in opposition to Mars, but more than that, Pluto coming out of the 12th into the 1st house of the US chart, pointing up all our dirty hidden laundry over the last 200 years.

A great deal of the "world's anger and chaos" has to do with the Jupiter/Saturn conj in Taurus I think, it's the last one for a couple hundred years. There is an unconscious grasping for the things of the earth. An out of control greed and fear of what is passing. Just in this country alone, it would seem as if many in the South never got over the Civil War.

No doubt however, Pluto, Mars, Neptune the 12th house (Neptunes house) Mars (home in the 1st) is going to point out all our insanities for the world to see and for us to deal with until we can accept ourselves and our shadows.

I have often found it curious that there are indeed people who have not gotten over the Civil War. I've seen it primarily in the south, and it's hard to grasp that it exists in some people I would not have expected to see it in.

Agreed, Sally. Add to that the 12th house part of the Pluto cycle with our first Pluto return coming. And our Mars fixing to go retrograde. That might be part of the intense struggle and tension. Mars is none to happy about retracing steps.

I agree about the Jupiter/Saturn in Taurus. That's why I am curious to see what transpires when Uranus gets there and trines the Pluto in Capricorn. It's a ways off, but those in the know can be preparing as we will have to deal with our relationship with the earth.

An astrologer I know in London and whom I respect a great deal once said about the Jupiter/Saturn conj. in Taurus, that Uranus was coming to a square and that Uranus would win in the fight between the old vs the new. By progression, Uranus was retrograde and still is, by solar arc, it has already passed the 23 degrees square to the conjunction and in 2024 it crosses over by transit 23 Taurus, maybe we will be struggling with "normal" again

And I also am intrigued by this leadership dearth. It brought me out of my private world when I saw how severe it was. I can't believe these people are leaders of a powerful country. Totally mindblowing.

I think the truth about Clinton is one of the hardest things we are facing. And how easily we are duped. Hopefully when Pluto in Capricorn demands a new form of government we will learn to make better choices.

All political systems are suspect to me, so I am not surprised about this one. Smaller ones seem to work better, so maybe we are headed toward more decentralization, since people in different areas of the country have entirely different concerns. If Pluto in Cap has its way, then the government will be rebuilt from the bottom up, where the smallest part is significent to the well being of the whole.

Oh, that's so interesting about the Uranus progressions. It all adds up. At least we can count on awareness with Uranus.

Well, the Capital is being evacuated. No word on why.

John Kerry seems to arouse terror alerts. He was all over the news yesterday and today.

Okay, I got you all beat when it comes to Aries.. Mars/Sun/Saturn in Aries in the 5th house. mars in rulership!!!! I don't get angry very much, but typical of the 5th house, I'm very athletic....already ran 5 miles today.

Uranus will be in Aries when squared Pluto in the US chart. That tells me that the liberation movement of the people will often be violent, but on the positive side dynamic, energetic, and quick.

The ratings for Junior's gab fest last night were abyssmal. Only 19 million (a scant 6% of the viewing population) tuned in. Of course, we don't know if those people turned on the TV and then promptly turned it off or watched 10 minutes or watched the whole thing. The upshot of all this is that Bush's ratings were absolutely pathetic.

And, according to a link from DU, only 39% would vote for Schwartzenegger again ... down from a much higher number earlier.

Seems as if Sally, Nancy, Morgana, Claudia, Pallas, et al were right on astrologically. So, how many have popcorn popping? :-)

Thursday June 30, 2005

Guardian

George Bush's speech to the country from Fort Bragg, North Carolina, was an opportunity to show he knows what he is doing in Iraq. It was a chance to demonstrate that, despite past mistakes, he has a plan that will work.
Mr Bush also needed to counter the widespread perception that his administration is in a state of denial over the mounting casualties and costs that are dramatically eroding his poll ratings.

His Fort Bragg moment, if handled skillfully, might have enabled him to refute the Republican senator Chuck Hagel's widely quoted, armour-piercing jibe that the White House is "disconnected from reality [and] making it up as they go along".

But the president fluffed it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5227514-114659,00.html

Comment
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The sobering of America
US foreign policy is getting better - and that's partly because Iraq has got worse

Timothy Garton Ash
Thursday June 30, 2005

Guardian

To return to America after an absence of six months is to find a nation sobered by reality. The reality of debt and lost jobs. The reality of rising China. Above all, the reality of Iraq.
This new sobriety was exemplified by President Bush's speech at Fort Bragg on Tuesday night. Beforehand, as the camera panned across row upon row of soldiers in red berets, the television commentator warned us that the speech might last a long time, since it was likely to be interrupted by numerous rounds of heartfelt applause from this loyal military audience. In fact, the audience interrupted him with applause just once. Once! Lines that during last autumn's election rallies drummed up a certain storm ("We will not allow our future to be determined by car bombers and assassins") were now met with a deafening silence. Stolidly they sat, the serried soldiers, clean-shaven, square-jawed, looking slightly bored and, in at least one case that I spotted, rhythmically chewing gum.

Bush ploughed on with his sober, rather wooden speech, wearing that curious, rigid half-smile of his, with the mouth turning down rather than up at each end. A demi-rictus. The eerie silence made him look, at moments, like a stand-up comic whose jokes were falling flat; but of course this was no laughing matter. Afterwards, the same television commentators who had warned us to expect rounds of applause speculated, with an equally authoritative air, that the White House had suggested restraint to this audience, so it would not look as if the president was both requesting blanket coverage from the television networks and exploiting the nation's military for the purposes of a party-political rally. But then perhaps soldiers who actually risk their lives for Bush's policies in Iraq, and have lost comrades there, would not have been in a great mood to applaud anyway. Afterwards, as he mingled with the troops in the hall, their faces showed little more than mild curiosity at the prospect of meeting their commander-in-chief.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5227548-103677,00.html

Bush to Blair
Clear signs of movement from Washington towards London

When George W. Bush arrives in Scotland for the G8 summit next week, he will already have been cast as the villain of the piece by the protest lobbies. More sophisticated observers will, nevertheless, have recognised that while this President does not do “I feel your pain” in the manner of his predecessor, he has a record of offering limited promises and sticking to them. When Tony Blair decided to make Africa and climate change the themes of the British presidency of the G8, it was widely argued that he would make minimal progress with his ambitions. Mr Bush, it was contended, would not budge because he and his Administration were the prisoners of a dogmatic ideology.
This is not the impression that the President offers in his interview with The Times this morning. Mr Bush has scant time for fashionable causes and he drives a hard bargain. He has been willing, for example, to swallow some doubts and endorse much of Gordon Brown’s blueprint for African debt relief, but provided that the condition of genuinely good governance in return is real and verifiable and not merely lip service. Mr Bush is right to be forceful on this point as the history of Africa over the past three decades is not one of insufficient outside financial assistance but of too little reaching those who need it most. That mistake must not be repeated.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,542-1674417,00.html

and Jesus wept!

GOP congressman: Saddam had a hand in 9/11

What were we saying this morning about Republicans who have internalized the idea --- all evidence to the contrary notwithstanding -- that Saddam Hussein was involved in the attacks of Sept. 11? It turns out that it's not just random Republican voters around the country who think that way; the Republican vice chairman of the House subcommittee on terrorism apparently does, too.

In an interview about the president's Iraq speech, North Carolina Rep. Robin Hayes told CNN this morning that Saddam Hussein was "very much involved in 9/11."

According to the transcript of the interview, CNN's Carol Costello told Hayes, "But there is no evidence that Saddam Hussein was connected in any way to al-Qaida." Hayes' response: "Ma'am, I'm sorry, but you're mistaken. There's evidence everywhere. We get access to it. Unfortunately others don't. But the evidence is very clear." Costello asked, "What evidence is there?" Hayes responded: "The connection between individuals who were connected to Saddam Hussein, folks who worked for him, we've seen it time and time again."

Costello narrowed her question: "Well, are you saying that Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11?" Hayes' answer: "I'm saying that Saddam Hussein -- and I think you're losing track of what we're trying to talk about here -- Saddam Hussein and people like him were very much involved in 9/11."

When Costello said that there is "no evidence" to support the claim that Hussein was involved in 9/11, Hayes shot back: "Well, I'm sorry, you haven't looked in the right places."

Dick Cheney said back in 2003 that "it’s not surprising that people make" the "connection" between Saddam Hussein and 9/11. With the sort of insinuation and innuendo that ran through Bush's speech last night -- and the explicit lies of people like Hayes -- we've got to agree with the vice president this once. It's not surprising at all.

-- Tim Grieve

[15:01 EDT, June 29, 2005

How do idiots like this get elected and re-elected???

Gays win in Calif. domestic partner ruling

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by David Kravets

June 29, 2005 | San Francisco, Calif. -- Handing gays an important legal victory, the California Supreme Court on Wednesday let stand a new law granting registered domestic partners many of the same rights and protections available to married couples.

Without comment, the justices unanimously declined to review lower-court rulings that said the law does not conflict with a voter-approved measure against gay marriage.

Justice Janice Rogers Brown, who leaves Thursday to join the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, did not vote.

The domestic partner law, signed in 2003 by then-Gov. Gray Davis, represents the nation's most comprehensive recognition of gay domestic rights, short of the legalization of gay marriage in Massachusetts and civil unions in Vermont and Connecticut.

The California law grants registered couples virtually every spousal right available under state law except the ability to file a joint tax return.

The Campaign for California Families, along with state Sen. Pete Knight, challenged the law, saying it undermines Proposition 22 -- the 2000 initiative that defined marriage as between a man and a woman. Knight, a Republican who died after the lawsuit was filed, was the author of that measure, which passed with 61 percent of the vote.

But the high court left intact an appeals court ruling that said that Proposition 22's language is clearly limited to "marriage," not domestic partnerships.

Opponents of the law said Wednesday they hope to qualify a ballot measure asking voters to overturn the decision.

"Certainly, this reflects the importance of the people of California rising up to ensure that their vote in 2000 is counted and not overlooked by the courts," said Robert Tyler, an attorney with the Alliance Defense Fund, another group that had asked the justices to overturn the law.

Kate Kendell, executive director of the National Center for Lesbian Rights, said the "anti-gay industry's" reaction to the decision means "they won't stop until essentially the existence of lesbians and gay men is eradicated."

Rice Doesn't Stand Up for Saudi Women
By Bonnie Erbe
The Seattle Post Intelligencer

Wednesday 29 June 2005

That tough-talkin', spike-heeled, Bush-buddy, veiled personality of a secretary of state of ours is a study in contrasts.

On the one hand, Condoleezza Rice isn't afraid to display herself in a very public forum donned in disco-diva black-leather boots and militarylike regalia. She'll also take on the most rigid of autocratic country leaders when it comes to "spreading the word" about democracy or criticizing their domestic policies. But she's an absolute wimp when it comes to standing up for some of the most democracy-deprived citizens of Planet Earth - to wit, the women of Saudi Arabia.

The most powerful woman in U.S. government went on a whirlwind Middle East tour last week and made clear that "she is not about to become (the United States') most outspoken supporter of women's rights."

http://www.truthout.org/issues_05/printer_062905WA.shtml

check this out:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/news-archive.html#

any AstroWorlders out there read latin? The following is posted on the News Archives of the White House "Renewal in Iraq" page:

November 12, 2003 Sed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste lorem ipsum, quia dolor sit, amet, consecteur.

November 12, 2003 Sed ut perspiciatis, unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium,

http://finance.news.com.au/story/0%2C10166%2C15727217-462%2C00.html

CEOs use magic, psychics

The world could use a little magic and a little healing intuition right now.

What kind of world do we want?

On a very basic level, I would say:

A world where we have the freedom of speech.

A world where we have the freedom of worship.

A world where we have the freedom from want.

A world where we have the freedom from fear.

Those are the "four freedoms" as spoken of by President Franklin Roosevelt, on January 6, 1941. I'd say that these are as good a place as any to start.

Barbara, the latin must be for the roman catholic power structure. Who else would use latin in today's world? Opus Dei. Horriffic!! I seem to remember reading that Ratzi had his heart set on reinstituting latin in the church.

I've been putting a lot of stock lately into what I've read here and elsewhere about channelling energy into the most beneficial causes, and I've been doing some thinking. A lot of thinking lately.

Basically, it isn't enough for us to simply want to toss Bush and Co out of office. We also have to know why we want to do it? What is our grand plan? Why are we so against the Bush Family and their corporate/fundamentalist backers? What is our better vision for humanity and for Mother Earth?

Maybe it's like what Sen. Kerry accused Bush of doing -- going to war without a plan to win the peace. We've all become so consumed with destroying Bush and Cheney and all that they represent, that in many ways we've become just as they are, blindly obsessed with taking control of Iraq without a plan to run it once we have it. We might get the White House and Congress back, but what then? How will we fix our economy? How will we deal with the energy crisis, peak oil and $4.00+ per gallon gas (coming sooner than you think)? How will we rebuild our communities and our schools? How will we take care of our veterans, once they return from Iraq. Will we even bother to take care of them?

Just my random thoughts, for now. I'm trying to work up my creative flow again. But asking open questions is a good place to start.

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On a side note, as Pluto draws nearer to Capricorn, I'm already seeing significant chatter about local/regional government restructuring in my neck of the woods:

http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/news/editorial/12014523.htm
http://www.cleveland.com/region/

Speaking of making a contribution to positive energies (rather than the negative), I feel like I have a lot to say on this subject. But I'm still stumbling over just what to say. I think I've written like 6 drafts and I'm not quite satisfied with any of them! Maybe it's just easier for my to type out my thoughts here?

Sorry about my rambling, everyone.

As for the Latin.....It is complicated by my hving taken Latin so long ago...and I've forgotten the sentence structures....
Sed (But) ut (when) perspiciatis (transparent, clear) unde (from where, how) omnis (all, every) iste (that) lorem (enrich) ipsum (himself, herself, itself), quia (because) dolor (grief, suffering) sit (thirst, dryness, desire), amet (cherish, love), consecteur (pursuit, striving).

Sed (what is more) ut (when) perspiciatis (clear), unde (on all sides, from where) omnis (all) iste (that) natus (to be born) error (mistake, uncertainty) sit ( to be eager) voluptatem (be devoted to pleasure) accusantium (accusor),

I think I have seen this before....wish I could make more of it.....

Poets in the mist...translate it into something better!

Kiwijean, Latin is quite wonderful....I enjoyed it tremendously, and it is the basis of all the romance languages as well as the root of our own....(as those Romans invaded England and stayed for 300 years.) this country would not be as dumb as it obviously is if they hadn't stopped teaching Latin....IMHO of curse

While checking out Barbara's link to the WH, I came across something else interesting, and pertinent today, though it is old old news. Who knew the 1979 'state of emergency' regarding Iran was still being kept active.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/11/20031112-2.html
--- snip: the national emergency declared on November 14, 1979, must continue in effect beyond November 14, 2003. Therefore, consistent with section 202(d) of the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1622(d)), I am continuing for 1 year this national emergency with respect to Iran.

Cap'n Sally:

You asked what do we want? Well I want the fascists GONE... and after that I don't know what is left... system is broke... needs fixing. I'm no dictator... some folks I highly respect have come up with an excellent idea, and since Black folks seem to be the major actors on the stage opposing the fascists, I highly recommend this article, and the premise in general...

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Black Commentator says it is time to build a
MASS MOVEMENT

“Democracy… does not come from the government, from on high, it comes from people getting together and struggling for justice.” – Howard Zinn, Spelman College commencement address, Atlanta, 2005.

Politicians are elected and selected, but mass movements transform societies. Judges uphold, strike down, or invent brand new law, but mass movements drag the courts, laws and officeholders all in their wake. Progressive and even partially successful mass movements can alter the political calculus for decades to come, thus improving the lives of millions. Social Security, the New Deal, and employer-provided medical care didn’t come from the pen of FDR. The end of “separate but equal” didn’t come from the lips of any judge, and voting rights were not simply granted by the Voting Rights Act of 1965. All these were hard-won outcomes of protracted struggle by progressive mass movements, every one of which operated outside the law and none of which looked to elected officials or the corporate media of those days for blessings or legitimacy. It’s time to re-learn those lessons and build a new progressive mass movement in the United States.

http://blackcommentator.org/144/144_cover_movement.html

Ne illegitimi carbunculi tibi in facie sint!

There's that darned carbuncle again.

Judi, my limited knowledge of latin stems from a year in high school - hated it at the time. Never was great at languages other than loving etymology. But yes, some latin has served me well particularly decifering medical, botanical & other terms.

Goodwin: W's war pleas in last throes?
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/323607p-276559c....

President Bush made the sale last night - but only temporarily. His pitch for the Iraq war was about as good as it could be, but not good enough to hold broad public support for very long.
The problem is that Bush had almost nothing new to say. With millions of Americans turning against the war, and his handling of it, he appealed for patience and tried to put a sunnyside-up spin on progress, a word he used repeatedly.

But Americans don't feel the status quo is good enough, or worth it. Absent clear gains, the public is not likely to rally around calls for patience and courage. Nor will Bush's six mentions of Sept. 11 fire up faltering resolve on Iraq.

More likely, support will continue to erode with each passing day of blood and mayhem. No words can change that.

I recently saw Finian's Rainbow which is a story about a leprechaun's pot of gold and the three wishes that were made to come true.

Sally's question about what we want reminded me of this, as three wishes came up. (well NEOBuckeye got four within his one being a Taurus)...I asked for a decent government, NEOB asked for the Four Freedoms of Franklin Roosevelt, and Jo asked for the fascists to be removed.

I'm wondering should I put these in the pot? I guess I'm looking for a democratic consensus.

Oh, and by the way, Jonathan...

Thank you so much for the stats on Junior's gabfest. 6% tuned in. Absolutely amazing! There's the story.
Ain't that sumpthin'? Not much that's sadder than a star who's audience has moved on. No wonder he was crying. Well, he always WAS a beggar.

You know jm, I think that's what happens when a candidate steals Office. Very few wanted him to begin with. No wonder he was in a windowless room, surrounded by less than entusiatic military.

Do you think he has ever won a single Office?

The model for teaching children, properly to get a good start in life, is already in place and has been tested, trimmed, added to etc. since the 50's. This is how I was trained as an Americorps VISTA, working with Conmmunities 4 Children in the State of Maine. ( They cautioned that it took a long time to affect the change (75 years ) give or take.)
Any of you so inclined could spread the word in your community.
A wealth of materials is available from them! I heard the Kerry's talk along these lines at a house party in Iowa, before the caucus, on c span!

Search Institute's 40 Developmental Assets are concrete, common sense, positive experiences and qualities essential to raising successful young people. These assets have the power during critical adolescent years to influence choices young people make and help them become caring, responsible adults.

http://www.search-institute.org/assets/

Aries moon conjunct n saturn in aries (sq T saturn in cancer)
brings more bad news! The cancer has invaded Eric's abdomin as well! He spent his entire married life in the Generica heartland! I think this is a factor.
And Travieso,
In defence of my home state (NJ) aqt the beginning of my life there was a remanant of the "enlightened ones" who formed this country! I have a friend whose family owned the original farm acreage along the Deleware Bay. ( still do as far as I know) They were and are Quakers...........Father was a State & US Senator for a time period, Son ( my peer ) has shifted from supplying tomatos to Campbells for soup, to providing veggies for the niche markets in the urban Jersey, PO, Md, & NY area
His son Eric's contemporary is following that path as well! They had accumulated enough assets to stay where they were.
The old value system is still passed on there. A lot of us closer up toward Phila. immigrated to Maine when the 'hostile takeover of "89-'90 occured! ( Yes that is exactly what happened.........those with good values, and small holdings, were forced out by the young greedy budiness boyzs!)
Has anyone further confirmation of the Cockburn story posted by Pat C re: Bush's refusal of Bin Laden in Feb. 2001?
PQ

Hey, Pat.

I do so agree with you. No one really ever wanted him. Maybe that's the abandonment karma of the 12th house Saturn in Cancer.

No, I don't think he's ever won an office. He doesn't have the drive and personality of a politician, I don't think. I don't think he's much suited for any profession, really. Kind of a bum.

Pq,

That's interesting. I'm wondering what your impression was then of the Kerrys.

This is great. The guy is funny. Things are heatin up up in those hallowed halls.

"Bush Administration Can't Make Up Its Mind
30 June 2005

FROM SENATOR HARRY REID:

President Bush addressed the nation tonight in the face of sinking poll numbers and confusion about the Bush plan for the war. It’s time for the President to clear up the confusion and level with the American people about where the war in Iraq is going.

ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS TELL CONFLICTING STORIES
ON THE DURATION OF THE WAR

Cheney says insurgency in its last throes. Vice President Dick Cheney: the insurgency is in its “last throes.” [International Herald Tribune, June 26, 2005 http://www.nytimes.com]

Rumsfeld says insurgency could last 12 years. “The insurgency will be put down by the Iraqi people over time," Mr. Rumsfeld said on Fox News Sunday. “It won't be won by the coalition forces." He added that “insurgencies tend to go on 5, 6, 8, 10, 12 years.” [International Herald Tribune, June 26, 2005 http://www.nytimes.com]

Cheney’s appeal to the dictionary doesn’t resolve the discrepancy: “No, I would disagree. If you look at what the dictionary says about throes, it can still be a, you know, a violent period, the throes of a revolution.” [CNN, 6/23/05, http://transcripts.cnn.com]

There’s no confusion about the definition of “throes.” It’s the length of “last throes” that the American people want explained.

ON NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS

Rice says we don’t do it. “Obviously, the United States continues to hold to a policy that we do not negotiate with terrorists. It only encourages them.” [Condoleezza Rice, Remarks With Italian Deputy Prime Minister Gianfranco Fini http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2005/44601.htm]

Rumsfeld says we do. “Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld acknowledged Sunday that U.S. officials met with insurgents in Iraq, after a British newspaper reported two such meetings took place recently at a villa north of Baghdad.” [AP, June 26, 2005 http://news.yahoo.com/news]

IT’S NO SURPRISE BUSH AND HIS OFFICALS DON’T AGREE WITH EACH OTHER – THEY CAN’T AGREE WITH THEMSELVES"

How about this for a starter vision expressed by Sue DiCara 5th March, 2005

"There will be new technology that will render petroleum-based power obsolete. There will be a cleansing and renewing of land, water, and the very air we breathe. There will be restoration of physical well-being and a just and equitable sharing of Earth's resources so that all of humanity will be well-fed, suitably housed and trained for work. The burdens of life will be considerably lifted and the human family will finally acknowledge each other as equals, as brethren... where justice and love prevail."

jm,
That was a few days of high emotion, leading up to the Iowa caucus. tuned in to Cspan only......Being a fervant Dean Meet-up supporter.....................
I was impressed with Teresa Kerry's plan for early childhood development as outlined to those Iowans, As well I was impressed with her ability to speak several languages fluently. ( There happened to be several people from foreign countries at that house party.) I was furious that John stole Howard Dean's speach, to the point of e-mailing newspapers and TV stations in Iowa, and calling the Dean Headquarters in Burlington VT. Then we had the "scream" which was my wake-up call that the media was evil!
All in all? I wanted to be voting for Teresa!!!!!!!!! But better that she be the first lady working with kids from birth, than Laura trying to fix the kids after they are broken!!!!! ( slum boys!)
Speaking of which I'm incensed at the public attitude toward Bill Cosby! Michelle Martin interviewed him for Nightline, and bits were aired on GMA. They focus on his alleged sexual disgression! rather than his mission! "Is he fit to advise youth?" barf! His Mother sat on the church board in Phila. with my cleaning woman ( household exec.! I called her Mrs. ________ and she made it possible to run the business after I was divorced to support my 2 kids!) She was very good friends with Mrs. Cosby, and talked about her several times
Also Bill Cosby was at U mass at the same time as my brother; whose favorite show was I Spy! So I got a lot of those anecdotal stories that abound in the vicinity of a star!
What is obscene in our society is not sex on TV BUT VALUE SYSTEMS ON TV. I guess I would see to it that the future programers, would be screened for a high and noble value system before being allowed to work in that capacity! MAKE THAT MEDIA PEOPLE ACROSS THE BOARD>
PQ

WHat's happening in Maine!
The new law will provide rebates of up to $1,250 for people who have solar panels installed. Daryl DeJoy installs them and also has panels that power his home. He says most people who use solar energy do it to help the environment, not to save money.

Dominick Rizzo and David Weeda live in Bucksport, and had solar panels installed recently. They say they're are able to save money with solar panels while staying off the electric grid.

Daryl DeJoy says whether you put panels in or not, you can conserve energy by using compact flourescent lights and energy efficient appliances. DeJoy says, "Just by making your home as energy efficient as you can, you're not using as much power, and not spending as much money, and you're not contributing to the pollution that the current grid electricity contributes to."

The state says, by promoting solar energy in Maine, it hopes to create high quality jobs for installation and manufacturing.

http://www.wlbz.com/home/article.asp?id=24154
PQ

Pat QQP, so, so sorry about Eric. This will be a challenging time for you too. I wish you all well and I'm thinking of you.

Sally, did you see Jerome Armstrong on C-Span yesterday morning? He was representing MYDD, of course, and I couldn't help but think I was looking at Vis Numar. But what do I know? hay hay - He was very impressive!!

Keep up the great links folks, it is wonderful.

Oh, Pq, this is so heartening. About the solar panels.

And Joanna. That sounds OK to me. Count me in.

I feel a calm in the air right now. I love the Taurus Moon.

See you fine ladies in a bit.

PQOP, stay strong and keep Eric's HOPE strong. I agree with you, Teresa Kerry should have been the candidate.

Worth a read...

June 30, 2005
Dangerous Incompetence
By BOB HERBERT
The president who displayed his contempt for Iraqi militants two years ago with the taunt "bring 'em on" had to go on television Tuesday night to urge Americans not to abandon support for the war that he foolishly started but can't figure out how to win.

The Bush crowd bristles at the use of the "Q-word" - quagmire - to describe American involvement in Iraq. But with our soldiers fighting and dying with no end in sight, who can deny that Mr. Bush has gotten us into "a situation from which extrication is very difficult," which is a standard definition of quagmire?

More than 1,730 American troops have already died in Iraq. Some were little more than children when they signed up for the armed forces, like Ramona Valdez, who grew up in the Bronx and was just 17 when she joined the Marines. She was one of six service members, including four women, who were killed when a suicide bomber struck their convoy in Falluja last week.

Corporal Valdez wasn't even old enough to legally drink in New York. She died four days shy of her 21st birthday.

On July 2, 2003, with evidence mounting that U.S. troop strength in Iraq was inadequate, Mr. Bush told reporters at the White House, "There are some who feel that the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is, Bring 'em on."

It was an immature display of street-corner machismo that appalled people familiar with the agonizing ordeals of combat. Senator Frank Lautenberg, a New Jersey Democrat, was quoted in The Washington Post as saying: "I am shaking my head in disbelief. When I served in the Army in Europe during World War II, I never heard any military commander - let alone the commander in chief - invite enemies to attack U.S. troops."

The American death toll in Iraq at that point was about 200, but it was clear that a vicious opposition was developing. Mr. Bush had no coherent strategy for defeating the insurgency then, and now - more than 1,500 additional deaths later - he still doesn't.

The incompetence at the highest levels of government in Washington has undermined the U.S. troops who have fought honorably and bravely in Iraq, which is why the troops are now stuck in a murderous quagmire. If a Democratic administration had conducted a war this incompetently, the Republicans in Congress would be dusting off their impeachment manuals.

The administration seems to have learned nothing in the past two years. Dick Cheney, who told us the troops would be "greeted as liberators," now assures us that the insurgency is in its last throes. And the president, who never listened to warnings that he was going to war with too few troops, still refuses to acknowledge that there are not enough U.S. forces deployed to pacify Iraq.

The Times's Richard A. Oppel Jr. wrote an article recently about a tragically common occurrence in Iraq: U.S. forces fight to free cities and towns from the grip of insurgents, and then leave. With insufficient forces left behind to secure the liberated areas, the insurgents return.

"We have a finite number of troops," said Maj. Chris Kennedy of the Third Armored Cavalry Regiment. "But if you pull out of an area and don't leave security forces in it, all you're going to do is leave the door open for them to come back. This is what our lack of combat power has done to us throughout the country."

The latest fantasy out of Washington is that American-trained Iraqi forces will ultimately be able to do what the American forces have not: defeat the insurgency and pacify Iraq.

"We've learned that Iraqis are courageous and that they need additional skills," said Mr. Bush in his television address. "And that is why a major part of our mission is to train them so they can do the fighting, and then our troops can come home."

Don't hold your breath. This is another example of the administration's inability to distinguish between a strategy and a wish.

Whether one agreed with the launch of this war or not - and I did not - the troops doing the fighting deserve to be guided by leaders in Washington who are at least minimally competent at waging war. That has not been the case, which is why we can expect to remain stuck in this tragic quagmire for the foreseeable future.

E-mail: bobherb@nytimes.com

Empty words
Trying to revive his political credibility, Bush succeeded only in reminding us how clueless and reckless he has been as commander in chief.

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By Sidney Blumenthal

June 30, 2005 | "They're just wrong about our strategy. We've had a strategy from the beginning," said President Bush on May 13, 2003. It was only 13 days since he had made his triumphant tailhook landing of an S-B3 Viking on the USS Lincoln ("I flew it"), stepped before the sailors in a flight suit and declared the conflict concluded as a large banner behind him proclaimed "Mission Accomplished."

Then he flicked off pesky congressional critics of the immediate postwar transition policy. "Jerry Bremer is running the strategy, and we are making very good progress about the establishment of a free Iraq." Appointed by Bush as the head of the Coalition Provisional Authority, Bremer had disbanded the Iraqi army and was purging the Baath Party, acts that convinced the Sunnis that the United States intended to exclude them from any new arrangement. "And the person who is in charge is me," Bush continued. "Look, I just don't make decisions on polls and I can't worry about polls."

A year later, on June 28, 2004, Iraq's new prime minister, Ayad Allawi, projected optimism as the CPA handed over authority to his government. "In a few days, Iraq will radiate with stability and security," he promised.

A year after that, on June 20, Vice President Dick Cheney assured us that the insurgency is in "the last throes." But on June 26, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld explained that the Iraqi insurgency could last "five, six, eight, 10, 12 years." The next day, the new Iraqi prime minister, Ibrahim al-Jaafari, sought to create a more upbeat assessment. "I think two years will be enough, and more than enough to establish security."

http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2005/06/30/bush_speech/print.html

I believe Teresa Kerry has her moon conjunct the U.S. moon, and John Kerry's Jupiter is oppositing it, but I thought Jupiter oppositions were also good, because it's Jupiter.

PQ, my husband's professional is energy efficiency. To receive a solar panel rebate in Maine is so fantastic. We should have had it already in Louisiana and FL and other states in the Sun Belt, as I know people who did not buy solar panels because of the cost.

I will picture your slim, blond son, Eric surrounded in brilliant and penetrating white light that is making all of his cells healthy.

Sharon

Pat QOP-

I am so sorry to learn of Eric's setback. But please, you and he, take strength in others who have shared similar situations, i.e. Lance Armstrong, my friend (breast and ovarian cancer), who have beat and overcome cancer.

My prayers and white healing light to Eric.

Hi Sally,

What do we want? Great Question!

I have listed several things below on the run so they have not been well thought out and can probably use some changing, amending, or just be discarded.

Restriction of amount of media ownership.

Restriction of financial contributions or other considerations to those seeking or holding 'public' office.

Voters will decide what pay and benefits members of Congress will receive and when.

Term limits for members of congress, the president, and perhaps even members of the Supreme Court.

No secret meetings by government on issues of domestic policy except for defense and/or security.

A fair tax system. (Say 10 cents on every dollar earned in this country, no matter where the earnie is based or from.) No deductions for depreciation, if you want to go into business you had better be prepared to fix or replace your buildings, equipment, etc. on your own hook from your profits.

A military draft with exceptions only for extreme physical or mental challenges\deficiencies. Perhaps those having some less severe challenges could serve domestically in some capacity.

Thanks for asking the obvious.

bob

Excellent Bob, I am downloading this list and keeping it for myself and adding things as I think of them. I LOVED "the people decide how much our leaders are paid and when they get paid." I am sure you saw their over $3,000 increase the other day and that wasn't for the year. This has long been a problem I think. Great beginning list, just great.

I got this in my email today:

It appears that NH is going to be in a fight. States rights???
Have a nice day stay cool.
Chuck

Souter's property
   A businessman has asked the town of Weare, N.H., to seize the home of U.S. Supreme Court Justice David H. Souter in order to build a hotel and museum on the property.
   Logan Darrow Clements on Monday faxed a request to Chip Meany, Weare's code-enforcement officer, seeking to start the application process to build a hotel at 34 Cilley Hill Road, the site of Mr. Souter's home.
   Justice Souter's vote in the Kelo v. City of New London, Conn., decision allows city governments to take land from one private owner and give it to another if the government will generate greater tax revenue or other economic benefits when the land is developed by the new owner.
   Mr. Clements, CEO of Freestar Media LLC, said the town would gain greater tax revenue and economic benefits with a hotel on 34 Cilley Hill Road than allowing Justice Souter to own the land.
   The proposed development, called the Lost Liberty Hotel, would feature the Just Desserts Cafe and include a museum, open to the public, featuring a permanent exhibit on the loss of freedom in America, Mr. Clements said. Instead of a Gideon's Bible, each guest would receive a free copy of Ayn Rand's novel "Atlas Shrugged."
   Mr. Clements said the hotel must be built on this particular piece of land because it is a unique site, being the home of someone largely responsible for destroying property rights for all Americans.
   "This is not a prank," Mr. Clements said. "The town of Weare has five people on the Board of Selectmen. If three of them vote to use the power of eminent domain to take this land from Mr. Souter, we can begin our hotel development."

bob....yes, severe mental/emotional challenges would have to be looked at.....I work for a non profit which assists developmentally challenged people in working (the more disabled, of course, can barely function at all).....we should expand the Americorp and Peace corp concept to the draft....

Pat Q.....oh dear, Eric's challenges continue....I send you all light....but what is your reference to" in the Generica heartland! " mean?

Judi gem, hhhhhaaaaaahhhhhhhaaaaaaa. Loved your post on Souter's property. Poetic indeed!

Sally, on what do we want. Great question. Can't fill the void until that's answered. Here are just a few I can think of ...

1) smaller everything, companies, cities, government. As Judi gem's post above, when you get too removed from the consequences of what you're doing, it becomes ever easier to squash people. The lawsuit being filed over Souter's property will bring home to him what his vote will do to property rights in America and how it affects people JUST LIKE HIM. Might as well start with his property and hopefully, every single one of the justices who voted in favor of the lawsuit.

2) A return to a holistic world where reverence for our environment and fellow species is taught to every single human being. A world where companies wouldn't dream of having "pig" factories, etc. Small is better. You have agriculture right by your community and that supplies your fresh produce, etc.

3) A huge push for science in a positive form (i.e. not predicated on building better bombs and bullets)

4) A world where we're taught that aggression is "beyond the pale" instead of glorified.

5) True equality between the sexes. We are co-creators.

Anyway, it's a start for my list ... Have a wonderful day everybody!

((((((((((((((PATQOP and ERIC))))))))))))))))))

Generica....refer to Travieso's post in the last thread.
Home of those clueless, materialistic, celebrity watching Sheeple! He included NJ among the areas of the country that are Generica.....BUT before the last decade it contained people who, farming & fishing for a livlihood, & responsible for the success or failure of their ventures, were able to think for themselves.! Most of us are up here now and Generica is taking over with a maroon & teal mini shopping center; containing a nail salon, video rental, dry cleaner, hairdresser,& bank branch, on every other intersection!
Yahhh NH. Their state motto IS "Live free or die!" We see it on the liscense plates pretty regularly!
Glad you are all here! When I get the whimwhammies late at night, after all my local friends are sleeping...I can tune in for distraction and support!
P!

I love all of your response to Sally's question - What Do/We Want You, but Marta's particularly spoke to me. From what I've heard,the more specific you get, the better. So, what do I want? I want George Bush and Dick Cheney to be removed from office due to scandal that also includes all other adminstration oficial who are involved. I want a special election to be called and I want a statesman and leader to win the presidency and vice presidency, preferably from a minority group, and preferably Democratic. I want the House and Senate, but at least one, to have Democratic majorities. I want the U.S. to get back on the road to repairing it's tarnished reputation by choosing a fair, honest and respected diplomat as U.S. Ambassador to the UN. I want the new administration to have a one year plan for withdrawal from Iraq, giving the Iraquis the time to get their government together quickly. They will do great without us (in fact, much better) because they will have the pride and motivation that comes with autonomy and sovergnty (sorry about the spelling). UN peacekeeping forces should be left there to help keep order from the inevitable civil war. I want the U.S. to participate in an agreement and, in fact, model the types of changes needed to begin to rememdiate and reverse global warming. I want the ultra-religious to begin to respect the rights of others to believe as they choose and live and let live. I want our new adminstration to roll back much of the tax cuts and begin to study the best way to get our economy healthy again.

I'm going to a fund raising party for Howard Dean tonite. Maybe I should bring these lists with me as we hope to be able to speak to him. I can at least hand him the lists, and, after telling him what a great job he is doing, suggest to him verballly that Iraq will do much better if we withdraw for the reasons I listed above.

Hi to all and SALLY, thank you for the wonderful comments on John Conyers a ways back. As a Michigan resident, I am not in his district but am extremely proud of his work.

We all can do something to help our mutual cause.

Go to his website and sign the letter to President Bush regarding the "Downing Street Memo"

He states there that he is being bombarded with e-mails and signatures. The overwhelming response is inspiring to me!
http://johnconyers.com/

As a followup to Sally's question of what we want and Neobuckeyes list of 4 at 7:24am, I would like to put my 2 cents in:

Absence of Greed and Hate
Presence of Love and Productivity

All else flows from this.

Pat QOP,

I hope I didn't offend. I think "Generica" is in every state. They are in pockets where "genericans" make their gated communities. It is everywhere, but so are more liberal-minded Americans as well. New Jersey is a beautiful state. I quess I was just through some names out of states I've been to.

Love

Unless the Constitution is amended Teresa Kerry cannot ever be president....but we could start another nation in some blue state and MAKE her president! Hear! Hear!

I also think it is funny how much conservative women I know hate her....! maybe because she is richer than they are?

(((((((Pat and eric: strength and love to you both, try to find others that have gotten through this.))))

i live in pa. and every time i go to new jersey, as i cross the bridge the air changes, the colors change. it's a very different energy there, quite diverse now, but i always feel a strong independant streak in the smaller towns.
teresa is far too real and emotional for a fundie
they don't seem to know how to react to logical truth.
at the post office yesterday, a table was set up by the laroache people to impeach dick and save our naval base! their book about the neocons was called "satans children". believe it or not, in this predominately "red" area, only about 3 people responded negatively. haaa!
the tables have turned it just takes a while for millions of people to get in sync.........

rubiyat, that is hysterically funny about the larouche people turning on the neos....wow!

"I love all of your response to Sally's question - What Do/We Want You..."

What I meant to say was "What Do We/You want," alluding to the plural as well as the singular. I have Neptune on my brain (mercury). And don't forget to say the switchword TOGETHER!

I'm compiling all of the ideas here and bringing it to the party, hoping to hand it to Howard Dean (he took something from my husband once; so did Bill Clinton).

"I love all of your response to Sally's question - What Do/We Want You..."

What I meant to say was "What Do We/You want," alluding to the plural as well as the singular. I have Neptune on my brain (mercury). And don't forget to say the switchword TOGETHER!

I'm compiling all of the ideas here and bringing it to the party, hoping to hand it to Howard Dean (he took something from my husband once; so did Bill Clinton).

Okay, this just in from gay365.com. It speaks for itself.

Jerusalem Pride Turns Violent
by Rich Peters 365Gay.com Western Canada Bureau

Posted: June 30, 2005 5:00 pm ET

(Jerusalem, Israel) Three people marching in Thursday evening's gay Pride parade in Jerusalem were stabbed in a series of violent attacks by religious extremists.

More than a dozen protestors were arrested.

Shortly after the parade began a young man rushed into the marchers on Ben Yehuda Street stabbing a man and a woman. Others in the parade attempted to subdue the attacker. The third victim was a marcher who went to the aid of the other two victims.

The three are reported in stable condition in hospital. The accused attacker is in police custody.

Almost 1,000 protestors lined the parade route. Bottles of urine and bags containing feces were hurled at marchers.

We need a new religion... or better yet, none at all.

"Ye shall know them by their actions..."

it was funny! one of the guys had on army fatigues and said he was one of larouches body guards the other was a very intelligent 20 something. i told them, "sign me up" and they did but not without loudly listing 20 or 30 ugly facts about the admin., people gathered, agreed and signed up too! they spoke of the p.n.a.c. and handed out literature....great!

i think bush found his true calling when he managed or owned a sports team. he still sounds like he's team neocon v/s the world. back then i guess he still drank beer and could hang out in the locker-room, give all his buds box seats instead of our tax dollars.

years ago i was told that "WE have the same money worldwide, it's just always redistributed".wars are an excellent way to redistribute money without accountability.
http//www.whatreallyhappened.com has a story about how right before 911 rumsfeld announced that the pentagon "lost" 2.3 TRILLION dollars.
911 stole the head lines....where is it?
will we ever know?

Travieso,

That news from Israel concerning the pride marchers stabbed (not to mention the bags of urine and feces hurled at them) breaks my heart. And it's all done in the name of "religion".

(sigh)

No "bounce" for Bush in Zogby's poll taken after his speech, but the following excerpt I found very, very interesting (from Salon.com):

"42 percent of the public, including 25 percent of the Republicans surveyed, now say that Bush should be impeached if -- and is this really an "if," now? -- he misled the country about the reasons for going to war."

including 25% of the Republicans surveyed?!? Wow!!!

Time Inc. will hand over subpoenaed notes
Reporter threatened with jail over story on leak of CIA agent’s identity

~snip~

Robert Bennett, representing Miller, told the judge in asking for more time that “it’s a big step to put two people in jail who have committed no crimes.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8417075/

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Well, d'uh! If they would name the traitor, we could put HIM in jail...

and I guess the women and children in Abu Ghraib who committed no crime don't count? Or the innocent men and women and children at Gitmo don't count either? Or the thousands, hundreds of thousands of people of color who never committed a crime, but were jailed anyway... they don't count either?

Give me a break! Enough of "protect the source"... journalists today should be in jail, the whole lot of them, for spreading disinformation and lies about the deeds of the fascists who pretend to protect this Nation and are instead shredding our Constitution.

Travieso,
Apalled at the news from Isreal!
No you didn't offend me. My response was more sadness and nostalgia. The NJ I knew is pretty well gone......luckily I got a lot of paintings of places that don't exist now! And to inform. It was under the curse of the WC Fields joke about the 3rd prize being 2 weeks in NJ, that kept people from wanting to be there! I lived the last best decade of the state, before the younger gen, prized the proximity to Phila. over the old joke and started the developments of starter castles!
Rubaiat, you must be west of Phila if you are in a red area. WHo is impeach dick? Cheney? or the Gov of Pa.? Thornberg? or is my memory doing time travel? Love the larouchers!
I've been thinking..........there's this big old house out at Walkers Point, water on 3 sides..........wouldn't that make a wonderful place for a summer camp for inner city kids? Wonder if the Kennebunkport selectmen could be persuaded to do imminent domain for the greater good?
PQ

Backing for Bush on Iraq is gone, local veterans say

The televisions at VFW Post 2500 in Hollywood were tuned to President Bush on Tuesday, but his words weren't getting rapt attention.

About 30 people were around the bar drinking, chatting, smoking as the president talked. "Does it have to be so loud?" asked Barbara Flint as she sat next to Jerry Giblock, a visiting Vietnam veteran.

"He's running scared," said Giblock, 63, a former Post 2500 member who lives in Anchorage, Ala. "His poll numbers are so low, he's got to say something, but the support is gone. It's gone. I don't think there's anybody in here who's behind him."

Tuesday was spaghetti dinner night at the hall on Dixie Highway, where $4 got you a nice plate with meatballs and garlic bread. Post commander Richard McDonald pointed to a sign hanging above the bar: "It's not the price you paid to join. It's the price you paid to be eligible."

These veterans have fought in foreign wars and struggled after them, which makes them more than eligible to comment on the ongoing war in Iraq.

The view inside the faded lounge wasn't optimistic.

From Charlie Nessl, 89, who fought in World War II at the battle of Midway: "I don't think we should be there."

From Bob Artman, 79, a World War II veteran: "I got a bad taste in my mouth. Every time I read about a guy getting killed, I tear up. I didn't feel this way at the beginning, but now I just don't see an end to it."

From Ted Anderson, 73, a Korean War veteran and former police chief in New Jersey: "We still have thousands of troops in the [demilitarized zone] in Korea 50 years after the fact. It's going to be the same thing 50 years from now in Iraq."

The last time I came around here, in May 2004, President Bush was about to give a speech about Iraq, and the veterans' feelings were mixed. Some thought the war justified. Others had nagging feelings of doubt.

But this time, as Bush once again spoke to the nation, there was nothing but skepticism about the war's necessity, and worry about a staying the course.

"When you got people who are willing to strap bombs to themselves and blow themselves up, that's a hard war to win," said McDonald, 71, a Korean War vet who voted for the president last year. "I think Bush had the right idea, but now it's turned into a religious war for some people there. And that's the worst kind of war to be in.

"The thing is, Bush is committed, so he's got to stick to his guns. But at some point he's got to come up with a plan to get out of there because we're never going to be able to get rid of 100 percent of the terrorists. He's going to have to pull out, just like Vietnam."

Said Artman: "I'm a registered Democrat, but even people in his party are now questioning things. They don't see the light at the end of the tunnel. ... So many people in this country need things: People are starving, people need health care and medicine. But here we are taking care of people all over the world. How about starting at home?"

Howard Fay, a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, ladled meatballs in the kitchen.

"I don't like this war at all," he said. "Saddam wasn't doing anything to us. The one we should have been going after with everything is Osama bin Laden."

Bush invoked bin Laden and Sept. 11 in his speech, stressing the non-Iraqi "terrorists" who have congregated in Iraq to make the country "a central front in the war on terror."

Said Anderson, who spent nine years in the Navy and Marines: "They just play up on the fear. It used to be the domino theory and stopping communism. There was a picture, The Russians Are Coming, The Russians are Coming. Now it's `The Terrorists are Coming, The Terrorists are Coming.' After 9-11, I think we overreacted a little bit. We're not using our heads."

These veterans know war is never simple or easy, and they say this president, who never saw combat, overlooked these things in his rush to invade Iraq and install democracy.

"I have no respect for this president," said Bud Lynch of Hallandale, a Korean War veteran. "He's just trying to finish Daddy's job. That's all this was about. There was no nuclear [expletive] or WMDs to begin with ... If it were my son who was being sent over there, I wouldn't let him go."

More at
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/columnists/sfl-mayocol29jun29,0,3018435.column

Released: June 30, 2005
No Bounce: Bush Job Approval Unchanged by War Speech; Question on Impeachment Shows Polarization of Nation; Americans Tired of Divisiveness in Congress—Want Bi-Partisan Solutions—New Zogby Poll

President Bush’s televised address to the nation produced no noticeable bounce in his approval numbers, with his job approval rating slipping a point from a week ago, to 43%, in the latest Zogby International poll. And, in a sign of continuing polarization, more than two-in-five voters (42%) say they would favor impeachment proceedings if it is found the President misled the nation about his reasons for going to war with Iraq.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1007

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Tippacanoe... and Cheney, too!!!

NEW YORK CITY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND
MENTAL HYGIENE
Thomas R. Frieden, MD, MPH, Commissioner

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Thursday, June 30, 2005
(212) 788-5290; (212) 788-3058

DRINKING WATER ADVISORY FOR IMMUNE-COMPROMISED NEW YORKERS

NEW YORK CITY - June 30 - Following recent heavy rainstorms, higher than normal levels of particles have been detected in the City's drinking water supply, which can interfere with the water chlorination process. These high levels were observed at approximately 2am today at the Kensico reservoir in upstate New York, one of three reservoirs that supply drinking water to New York City. While the affected water was diverted shortly thereafter, out of an abundance of caution, DOHMH is recommending that infants, the elderly, pregnant women and New Yorkers with conditions that compromise their immune systems- those with HIV/AIDS, especially those with CD4 counts less than 200; those with leukemia; and those who are post bone marrow transplantation - use either boiled or bottled water as a precaution for the next 24 hours (until noon Friday).

The New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene has requested that doctors increase testing for parasitic illnesses and immediately report these diseases as well as any increase in gastrointestinal symptoms, especially diarrheal illness.

The DOHMH and the New York City Department of Environmental Protection are working closely with the New York State Department of Health (NYSDOH) and the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to further assess water quality and are continuing to monitor for illness.

Recommendations

Anyone with severe diarrhea or with evidence of jaundice (yellow eyes or skin) should see their doctor immediately. People with immune-compromising conditions are advised to:

Bring tap water to a rolling boil for one minute before use.

To avoid a burn injury, allow water to cool before pouring into a clean, dry container.

Boiled water should be use for ice cubes, brushing teeth, preparing salads, and mixing with concentrates.

OR

Use point-of-use filters with an absolute pore size of less than or equal to one micron in diameter

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Bathing and other uses of water
* Avoid drinking water or getting into your mouth while bathing
* It is safe to use tap water to wash dishes if dishes are thoroughly dried before use.
* It is safe to use tap water to prepare food that will be cooked before eating.

Other precautions
* Avoid sexual practices that may result in exposure to feces.
* Avoid drinking or accidentally swallowing water from lakes, rivers, ponds, streams, pools or waterparks.
* Avoid contact with feces of all animals, particularly young farm animals such as calves.
* Always wash hands thoroughly after any contact with animals; after any contact with soil (e.g., gardening); after changing diapers, or caring for someone with diarrhea; before eating, or preparing food.

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I have watched with amazement the what appears to me to be the amateurish, bumbling movements of this administration in trying to achieve absolute power. Their timing, their rhythm, is way way off. They jump the gun and don't cover their tracks. They've put together a cookbook recipe of techniques from the successful dictators of history and the result is confused and not applicable to their current society. They chose a small, weak, uncharismatic frontman bearing no resemblance to the dictators of the world. They are so transparent. I could never see how they could come close to achieving their dream. They didn't frighten me, but the collective fear of them did.

The Iraq occupation was a disaster from the beginning. Extremely clumsy. Too fast. strategically ridiculous. I thought I was witnessing a Cecil B. Demille extravaganza. Or a grade C imitation. It's as if they were being misled themselves into believing they could perpetrate such a fallacy and succeed.

It seems like a cosmic setup. I am hoping from deep within every fiber of my body and mind that we have learned a lesson from this experience and that we will do the right thing in bringing it to a conclusion.

US Radiation In Iraq
Equals 250,000
Nagasaki Bombs
There Are No Words
By Bob Nichols
Dissident Voice.org
6-30-5

~snip~

...about all American bullets, 120 mm tank shells, missiles, dumb bombs, smart bombs, 500 and 2,000 pound bombs, cruise missiles, and anything else engineered to help our side in the war of us against them has Uranium in it. Lots of Uranium.

In the case of a cruise missile, as much as 800 pounds of the stuff. This article is about how much radioactive uranium our guys, representing us, the citizens of the United States, let fly in Iraq. Turns out they used about 4,000,000 pounds of the stuff, give or take. That is a bunch.

Now, most people have no idea how much Four Million Pounds of anything is, much less of Uranium Dust (UD), which this stuff turns into when it is shot or exploded. Suffice it to say it is about equal to 1,333 cars that weigh three thousand pounds per car. That is a lot of cars; but, we can imagine what a parking lot with one thousand three hundred and thirty three cars is like. The point is: this was and is an industrial strength operation. It is still going on, too.

No sir-ee, putting Four Million Pounds of Radioactive Uranium Dust (RUD) on the ground in Iraq was a definitely "on-purpose" kind of thing. It was not "just an accident." We, the citizens of the United States, through our kids in the Army, did this on purpose.

When the uranium bullets, missiles, or bombs hit something or explode most of the radioactive uranium turns instantly to very, very small dust particles, too fine to even see. When US Troopers or Iraqis breathe even a tiny amount into their lungs, as little as One Gram, it is the same as getting an X-Ray every hour for the rest of their shortened life.

The uranium cannot be removed, there is no treatment, there is no cure. The uranium will long outlast the Veterans' and the Iraqis' bodies though; for, you see, it lasts virtually forever.

Dissident Voice dot org shows updates through 6/29/05... this article was on Rense.com at the following link... read in full

http://www.rense.com/general66/equals.htm

We might not have any other choice but to focus and mobilize, and remove these people from power so we can move on with our withdrawal from Iraq. It has to be done. The country knows this.

checkout this bumper sticker!

http://www.livejournal.com/users/mparent7777/535547.html

Speaking of journalists, Jo... y'all remember Susan McDougal?!? She spent... what... 18 mos in prison for mere "contempt of court"? But then, she was Clinton's ally. bushaholic's allies don't go to prison... apparently.

* Susan McDougal - Wednesday, Mar. 28, 4 p.m. ET

Talk to Whitewater figure Susan McDougal about the time she served in prison for contempt of court; her thoughts on Bill Clinton & former Independent Counsel Ken Starr's op; the press coverage of her travails; her prez pardon; her work on behalf of women in prison; & what's in her future.
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Milton, FL: Where you ever in fear for your life from either of the Clinton's or their "associates"?

Susan McDougal: No. I was in fear of my freedom from Ken Starr, but that's about it. ...

USA.com TALK TODAY 03/27/2001

pat,
the laroucher's were talking about impeaching dick cheney...i'm going to go the next meeting, maybe i'll be handing out books and flyers soon!

I just came back from "War Of the Worlds" with my Pisces wife. She was upset about the movie as it was about a violent end of the world as we know it. I said, it's just a movie. She said, Bush is doing to our country what these aliens are doing, destroying our way of life. I think she is right. Starman

I don't suppose anyone recalls my mention a thread or two ago about Uranus progressing into my Fourth House? Well, it recently happened with a pretty positive BANG, and I am still sorting out the details amid the still settling dust.

In a nutshell, it seems that after 27 years, I am finally on the verge of moving out of my parents house and living, more or less, on my own. A friend and I own a rental complex, and it seems that we have a vacancy. It happens to make a wonderful excuse for me to move out while putting my money for rent directly back into our investment.

But of course, as you might expect, there is a bit more to this story, although it might acutally have more to do with my progressed conjunction of Jupiter and Venus. Indeed, a very lovely woman has walked onto the stage of my life. We've been talking entirely online for merely a few weeks, and already The One Word I thought I would never hear myself say with any measure of meaning or comfort has entered our conversation: Marriage! Call me crazy, but I think she's got my number. And I don't mean that in a bad way at all. We just simply connect very, very well.

Now, of course, I'm not really asking for a birth chart or synastry interpretation here, but for anyone interested in doing some sort of personal "case study" -- her DOB is 9/23/75, time and exact location unkown, though she seems as much a Libra rising as I've ever known anyone to be, which would seem to put her birth time somewhere around 8:00 am. On the other hand, Sept 23 1975 was on the Virgo/Libra cusp, but she claims to be a Virgo. But given all of the Virgo and Libra girls I've known, I'd say there is still quite a difference even between 29 Virgo and 0 Libra degrees, that I don't think I'd miss it.

Also interesting, her natal Moon is in Taurus, along with my Sun (4/27/78 9:46 am). Incidentally, my Moon is in Capricorn. Earth meets earth on physical and emotional levels, it seems. We both have a substantial number of planets in fire. She's got a little more air, while I've got a little more water. I actually just bought some books on astrology so I could finally broaden my knowledge and maybe over time offer a few more specific details on situations like these. Maybe my very own is the best place to start?

True to Sun Virgo types, at least the ones I've known, she's been suffering through a bout of... let's just say "lower stomach trouble" and is actually in the hospital right now. I think she may actually be pretty dehydrated. I've been sending her white light and tons of positive energy for her health to improve. Please do the same for her if you can.

Went to Howard Dean fundraiser. He gave an impassioned speech about each Democrats standing up for whats right, that we are the party of moral values because we care about the poor, sick, elderly, and about civil rights, and that instead of settling for criticizing the Republicans (which he himself did a few times tonite, although he didn't call them a party of white Christians - gotta love him!), we need to articular a clear strategy.

I made a word document out of everyone's response to Sally's question - "what do we want" (including Sally's comments), printed it out and gave it to him in a folder (I corrected mine as there were many errors).

I thanked him for doing a great job and for inspiring me, I told him that I felt we really had to emphasize the choosing of candidates on merit on political party - to which he agreed, and I said I thought we should have a strategy to get out of Iraq in one year, leaving peacekeeping to the UN, as Iraq would do better without us. He did not give me a clear answer on that one, he seemed to feel we needed to be there now and said the president did not have a clear cut strategy, but I'll bet part of him heard me. My thoughts on that were also included in the folder.

What a GREAT GUY...so gentle, humble, inspiring, and as impassioned as ever. He spoke to everyone waiting to talk to him and, when I tapped his arm, he made of point of turning to me as soon as he had a chance.

He told a GREAT story. A 30-year old evangenlical Christian woman support him at a fund raiser and he asked her at the end of the evening why she did that when he was a supporter of woman choosing their own medical care and of respecting the civil rights of all. She said that they were very concerned about his positions but they still supported him because (1) their child had a debilitating illness and they didn't have healthcare, which he advocated and (2) he was a man of conviction, not a politician, and for that reason, they felt they could trust him!

I meant to add that it is really horrible about the radiation, Jo. I wish I had had that in the folder I gave to Howard Dean.

And, POQ, where in NJ did you live. I grew up in Passaic and left at about age 23.

"...on merit, not political party."

Judy Gemini, this is for you. Another Moon mystery.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1595450

Wow, that's awesome, Sharon! I'm happy for you that got to meet Dr. Dean! And even better -- you gave him all of our comments here on AW about manifesting a better world!

So perhaps Astroworld might actually have a little bit of influence on Dean? Could we even be influencing some of his future speeches? Maybe we are already making an impact and have begun to create a better world just by talking about that better world here! And you, Sharon, began to take action on making that world come to reality by taking our comments to Dean. Is that amazing or what?

Way to go, everyone! Let's keep this up!

Sharon, what an absolutely WONDERFUL experience. Good for you!!
We need a Howard Dean here in NZ too.
I too am collecting and putting to paper all these great ideas so I can forward to the MP I met this week. Tailored of course for our situation here - but the essence of the problems are similar. Thanks to everybody for their insight and hard work.

And (((((( PatQ )))))) - love and lightness to you and your son in this difficult period.

Sharon, you're wonderful.

Aw, gee, gosh JM & everyone...

You know, it's funny. This all happened so naturally. I met him once before right after his campaign took a downturn but I was SO excited and psyched because he is SO honorable and honest and upstanding and courageous. So, knowing I probably might meet him today, I felt much more relaxed. I planned on handing him the folder of papers because that's the kind of thing my husband does (he's such a gutsy Leo-ascendant Aries, Scorpio moon), and I've seen people just graciously accept it, so I felt Howard Dean would. Also, the fact that the event was underattended helped me get through to him. I was sad about the attendance. There is a discussion on DU about why it was probably underattended. I don't care that none of our state Dems were there (our senator! governor! lt. governor are all Demos). Our city council representative was there and she gave him a great lead-in by praising how great the Dems are doing now and that we're going up while they're going down. I'm liking her more and more. But the best thing is that I really believe Howard Dean will read what I gave him and I'll bet it will influence him because he's like that -- he really, truly wants to represent and help the People! His comment was that we are his boss and he felt that way when governor.

Good luck, Kiwijeanie, in yoru meeting with the MP. Let us know what kind of specific way we can help. I can't wait to hear all about it.

Regarding Dr. Dean, I am certain he fully realizes the HUGE mistake most Dems make by not properly framing/responding to questions in the "values" debate to our advantage. For example: If a Rethug is debating a Dem he might say "I am against gay marriage because as a person of faith I have strong moral values".

The typical Dem would then immediately and (more often then not) nervously say something like "well of course I am a person of faith also, and to be candid, I have some problems fully supporting the idea of gay marriage, but I do think that civil unions should be allowed to protect the rights of all our citizens".

WRONG RESPONSE!!

What the Dem should say is something along the lines of:

"You know, I really don't understand you people and most members of your party. First of all, you meddle in personal and private individual and family issues where the govt. has absolutely no business getting involved!

What total hypocracy! First you talk about states rights, individual rights, family values, and then tell people what they can and cannot do with terminally ill family members and even their own bodies.

Lets talk about real moral issues and values, such as Bush cutting food stamps for poor children, more hardworking families going into poverty while billionaires get huge tax breaks, lying to Americans about why we went to war, then not even paying for armor to protect our soldiers, letting big Republican campaign donors sit on regulatory agencies and rewrite the environmental rules to further pollute and poison our earth and air and water, and torturing our detainees without even letting them plead their case before a judge! What Unamerican behavior!!

These are REAL moral issues affecting the everyday lives of Americans so please stop the B.S. and get real! Now if you want to debate real moral value issues, bring 'em on!

Sharon, in my "other" career as well as astrology I have met and read for many stars, royalty, politicians and the obscenely wealthy so I am not easily impressed by names or titles or money, but Howard Dean does impress me and I am just thrilled that someone on AW got to meet him. I read that it wasn't well attended and it made me think that he may believe he is the head of the DNC, but he may actually turn out to be the head of a new party. A party of the people who are committed to taking back America. I am impressed that you went up to him and introduced yourself, Louisiana is lucky to have you, and thanks for taking all of us with you. I don't know about you, but I was excited just thinking about this opportunity for yourself and us.

This totally verifies my belief that the blogosphere is becoming a great political tool.

The ball was tossed by Sally, taken up by all of us, and within 24 hours, all packaged and prepared, reached a destination... a real life flesh and blood POLITICIAN! A prominent one at that.

We shot the arrow and hit a bullseye. All with mental energy and one courier.

((((GRIZZLY))))))
i wish i could speak so well!
but i really, really wish any democratic leader would!

jm, you have a way with words! May I second that!!! And Sally, my sentiments exactly, I've been impressed by Howard ever since I first heard what he had to say.
Maybe at long last we are at slack tide, the boats are just beginning to swing as the outgoing tide proceeds.

Maya delMar has just posted July - Solar return for Bush not looking good for us.
But then we knew that he fights dirty when cornered ......
http://www.daykeeperjournal.com/feature.shtml

We will prevail if only we have the courage to persevere no matter what.

Rubaiat

Thanks for the nice compliment! I am appreciative of your kind words.
Regarding Howard Dean, I really think more than anything else, it is his authenticity and common sense that makes him so attractive and refreshing to so many people.

He emphatically does NOT sound like a typically scripted politician, and many smart, aware, intuitive people seem to really pick up on and appreciate that.

Although policy-wise Kerry was basically O.K. from my perspective (other than his early and disastrously self defeating support for the war) his public persona was just impossible, until ( much too )late in the campaign sounding like a whiny, wonkish, slightly obnoxious, condescending preppie who was almost too smart for his own good, and who always seemed to want to lecture and talk above the intellectual level of most people.

He also strongly projected the image of a stereotypically "professional" politician, seemingly not knowing where he really stood on many issues, hence receiving the unfortunate "flip-flopper" label.

Although Joe Biden (for example) is in many ways a sell out and political hack and whore to the banking and pharma industries, when he gets upset he is also somewhat capable of Dean's type of direct and forcefully effective speech.

My main point is that all Dems REALLY need to stop being reactive, hesitant, overly "politically correct" and apologetic; and be consistently prepared to redefine and reframe the debate on THEIR terms, stay "on message", and put the onus back on the Rethugs to explain and justify their obviously indefensable positions on just about every issue.

((((((((((((((Sharon))))))))))))
"Good Job!" From AW's keyboard to Dean's ears! He will utilize the info, that's what m,akes him different than the others!
I grew up in Bridgeton NJ, bottom center of the state, 6 mi. from the Del Bay. When I was in my first year of art school, my family moved to Greenwich, ( you could see the bay from some points in town), 7 years older than Phila. where that Quaker family still farms. There is a monument in the town square, where the inhabitants "BURNED THE TEA" from the British sloop 'Grayhound". ( river was too shallow to throw it overboard.) The sloop had docked there for safety rather than proceed up-river to Phila.!
Before I came to Maine I lived in Medford Lakes in the Pine Barrens, 25 miles east of Phila.
NeoBuckeye,
My friend who mixed the blackfly repellant, ( several threads back) was born on Sept. 23 1960, She was 0 Libra no question,
and a wonderful person! But that was her birth year & time!
Enjoy your new friend, win win.......virgo- earth sign like taurus; libra,- venus ruled, like taurus!
PQ

I met the new minister for the Faith United Methodist Church yesterday! ( Where we attend the Work for Peace Meetings, Minister has been Kim who taught in Lebanon 25 years ago)
Kim is leaving to attend The College of the Atlantic in Bar Harbor, ( ecologically oriented curriculum.)
Outside the gas station I saw a van with the message Mail Direct to Zimbabwe. It was so curious that I asked a man lounging against a nearby car "how often he had occassion to mail something to Zimb." He explained, that it belonged to the new minister, and when she came out introduced me to her.
She is a lovely warm gracious black woman, from Zimbabwe, via Calif. who gave me a hug. She is aptly named Grace! WHen I reported this news back to the library, we decided we would attend Sunday Church, in support of her, and the congregation for choosing her!
When I was a kid there was a series of books: twins around the world, designed to teach geography. Then Disney did the "It's a Small World" thing. What input/instruction do the kids get today in their "entertainment"? Superheros & space travel!!!!!!!
PQ

Well I think everyone should stop telling Dems who they should be and let them all individually be their authentic selves.

Many of them have things to contribute, each in his own way. We should stop pitting one against the other and just love'em if we can.

No one has the answers. Let it unfold. The Dems are coming in.

There is so much we can do besides criticize their every word. If any of us are so smart that we know how to win an election, then get up and run!

They are human beings and all of them are flawed. I think we should support wholeheartedly the ones we believe in, but refrain from maligning the ones that chose others than our personal favorites. It is really a team effort.
And it could be a wide open field of possibility if we play our cards right.

Be cautious about hero worship and try to see them accurately, is what I think is best. Look at their skills and achievements and what is best for the country.

Pq,

That is so good. You have more good news than I can keep up with.

One more word. The Kerry bashing should stop now. And it is useless. Kerry remains as himself. That election is long gone. And he is a highly important cog in the wheel. He is doing a great job in the Senate and is a valuable asset to the people of this country. If you can put personal gripes aside you will find some very important pieces of legislation he is getting through against all odds that are vital to us. Especially in the near future businesswise. It is self destructive to go against him. That energy could be used productively.

I say this because Saturn is leaving Cancer and we are supposed to be a little bit grown up. We don't want to crybaby like our current president. The endless whine. There is a lot ahead and a huge amount to do. We should be ready.

Howard Dean?

Had an email from SC Dem Party couple of weeks back that he was coming to Columbia... I got real excited, then read the rest of the letter... $150 and UP for me to see him? Well, I don't have that kind of money... so decided it was not going to happen... the event was scheduled for June 29th. Now on the 29th an email came through saying the event was CANCELLED? Seems he couldn't get his flight out of wherever (Philadelphia, I think) because of weather or some such... so he wasn't coming. Now I hear from Sharon that he was in New Orleans night before last?

About Sally's comment that he might become a leader of a third party? Well, he had that chance before he took on the Democratic Party... or, at the time he took over. In the weeks/months since that has happened, I have been very disappointed. The war candidate has bought into the "we must stay until..."

As for "leader" of a third party...? I'm all for the Mass Movement suggested by the Black Commentator... time for the people to take charge of their own lives... but then looking around the blogs it appears to me that those who protested in the 60s are moving away from dKos who is becoming SOOOOOO close to the center, one is beginning to smell 'Repugnant' on the website --- speaking on the war in Iraq the other day Markos even referred to some of us older and definitely Lefties, as 'crazy hippies of the 60s' --- no wonder they're leaving in droves! But what does that leave? My daughter's generation, my nieces and nephews... what some have called the 'Noughties' generation... those who are frantically seeking materialism...

Dean a leader? Well the elitists in the Democratic Party figured if they threw him the chairmanship he wouldn't be busy forming a third party... seems they were right. And seems tPluto couldn't possibly sling anymore mud than it has. We are all wallowing in the lies and disinformation of these fascists... yet only 42% believe Bush should be impeached IF he lied us into a war... while some 58% believe he DID lie us into war (some figures askew there! you betchem Red Ryder!) And what would it matter if 100% of us felt he should be impeached? It ain't gonna happen under the Republican control of both houses and the judiciary. This Dictatorship intends to stay in power.

The election of 2006 will be "fixed" like the ones of 2000, 2002 and 2004... and the invasion of Iraq...

Americans are too comfortable in their livestyle. They will never rise up like the folks in Madrid did in March of 2004. They don't seem to mind that all the while we scream "the Muslims are coming, the Muslims are coming --- with their WMD" --- it was Americans who polluted the planet with radioactive uranium, it was America and only America who used the atomic bomb, it is America and only America who has used cluster bombs killing children... against a people who didn't even have an Air Force... of course, it doesn't really matter, we're killing people of color, remember? and we don't have a draft, only the poor, those who can't find work or those who want a green card, are joining the military...

I sound negative, disgruntled? No, I'm beyond that...

Grizzly, given the Republicans and Democrats of today, anarchy is looking better and better to me!

Anarchy:

The word "anarchy" is from the Greek, prefix an (or a), meaning "not," "the want of," "the absence of," or "the lack of", plus archos, meaning "a ruler," "director", "chief," "person in charge," or "authority." Or, as Peter Kropotkin put it, Anarchy comes from the Greek words meaning "contrary to authority." [Anarchism, p. 284]

Several websites available, here's one:

http://www.zmag.org/AWatch/awatch.htm

Mother Theresa: "Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person."

Jo,

You know of course I agree with you on self government. And that Mother Teresa quote is completely right.

But one thing to keep un mind is that America is not the only guilty party by far. This whole bunch of relatively unevolved creatures has been egaged in this ritual of violence since the beginning. If it isn't country to country, it's within tribe to tribe, neighborhood to neighborhood. It's the grand way of settling conflict.

That's why I am an anarchist. So that we can learn self control and to understand that our own good behavior will create a good society.

We are a long way from there and somehow I think we have to find a way to work with the system we have until further notice.

jm,

I appreciate your words on the Kerry bashing that still happens here. What I've come to realize is that, when it comes to people bashing both Kerry and Bush, it's not gonna stop. So, when the thread turns destructive and everything posted is bash, bash, bash, bash, bitch and complain and then bash some more, I head off to another site for a few days to get my astro-fix. Those who bash will bash regardless of what anyone says. As is their right to.

Interesting, though, that the same adjectives some are using to describe Dean are the same adjectives used to describe Bill Clinton when he was rising to prominence in the mid- to late-80s - early 90s. Hmmmmmmmmm ... remains to be seen how well Dean would handle the power we, the People, could give him.

"...Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That, whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and, accordingly, all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But, when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security..."

The Unanimous Declaration of
The Thirteen United States of America

In Congress, July 4, 1776.

You're wise, Jonathan. Very wise.

When the time comes for violent revolution, the people always recognize it. It comes as a natural outgrowth and it can't be forced.
Shackles are broken all the time and replaced by new ones. Until we erradicate the inner desire that creates these oppressive situations there is no point in revolution as the situation will be re created.

So if we don't possess the self governing ability we will allow others to do it and the same old story will be told.

So I say start from within.

Sorry, but it is not a matter of being critical of certain Dem politicians for the sake of being oppositional, or seeking to derive pleasure in dissing people.

It is also not a matter of just petulantly complaining about certain Dems we may not personally like (it is always at least partially a matter of personal chemistry).

It is rather a matter of constructive much needed criticism. When a well regarded senator (some of us seem to take offense at criticism by name, so I won't go there) apologizes for completely true remarks made about our detainee policies, when numerous Dems consistently disavow and distance themselves from each other on Sunday talk shows complaining that their fellow party members' criticism of people like Greenspan, DeLay, etc. are "too harsh" or "over the top" (rather than being publicly united in their opposition to Bushco policies) well then..."Houston, we've got a problem!"

As much as I loathe most of the current batch of Rethugs, from a strategic and tactical point of view we must admit that they have been wiping the floor with us recently because:

1/ we are too quick to apologize

2/ we are too adament in always taking the verbal "high ground" when the Rethugs are constantly drowning us in slimebaths

3/ we are much too quick to publically criticise our own, rather than hash out matters behind closed doors in caucus rooms

4/ we have a problem learning how to effectively talk in "sound bytes" which is absolutely crucial in the real world news cycle.

5/ We are way too defensive and reactive to attacks, rather than taking control of the conversation and effectively reframing the debate (Dems losing the "values debate" to these crooks and charlatans, I mean c'mon now!)

I happen to think that (for example) John Kerry is an honorable, courageous, brilliant, dedicated and ethical person who is also an excellent senator. But for him NOT to have won in a landslide against Bush (and then caving so early on election night) is inexcusable.

Whether it was his "mainstream" Dem/corp. advisors (like Bob Shrum) or Kerry himself responsible for the depressing and transparently inept "Rethug-lite" strategy, someone should accept responsibility for this extremely poorly run campaign and be willing to admit that fundamental strategic changes must be made NOW.

Also jm, frankly from my point of view, it is not a real cool idea to say something like "if some people are so smart why don't they run for office themselves!" We are all here to ultimately move the process of Bushco's removal forward, before it becomes too late. Each of us can surely contribute to this in his or her own way as specific individual circumstances allow. Lets all continue to respect each other, but also recognize the reality and severity of the Dem's public image problem.

Wonderful stuff here this morning!!

Caught the Today show this morning. They are going after Tom Curise, as are all the cable networks. Tom is an idiot, IMHO, but again it is sad that his little tantrum did not trigger a discussion about the actual uses of the many forms of medicine, rather than an excuse to focus solely on the benefits of big pharma. No surprise there though.

Media has now overtly become a tool for propaganda rather than education. That of couse was predicted at it's beginning.

If we are to focus on healing things, which of course we are, media is one of the most important tools to freedom. Freedom of information is key to any free society.

Let them all be healed. Let them all, without reservation, report the all of the truth. Let them all take responsibility for their power and influence and use it for the highest good in service to the common man, woman, and child. So be it.

Blaming the government is the age old way of explaining personal unhappines, which most of us feel. While it's true that the government is vile, we often shirk responsibility for fixing our lives by placing so much blame on the environment. If we could magically end this regime, you would be amazed at what force you would perceive as against you and ruining your well being. There is always something. That's what the anarchistic view is about. We are totally responsible for ourselves, so we are also free from blaming. If something is wrong, it is our doing both the existence of the problem and its solution.

That is a tough one to master.

Grizzly, I feel that the belief in the Dems problems are largely Republican propaganda.

No one can seem to figure out exactly what is so wrong with them besides Rove and the rest of them and then the Liberals parrot this.

It starts by believing maybe we aren't so wrong after all.

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/7881

A Growing Number of Americans Ponder Impeachment

Posted on Salon by PMK:

DC - Do we have the slightest hint that the Dems in DC are working to provide us with a clean election any time soon?
I'm not DC, but I have found that, for the most part, trustworthy elections aren't even on their radar.

At the Take Back America conference, I cornered a lot of elected officials and organization leaders and asked them what they were doing in the battle for our right to have confidence in our elections.

Most speakers failed to mention anything about elections on their "issue list" (healthcare, jobs, values, and so on). Many organizations -- orgs supposedly working to advance the things Americans really care about -- had no mention of elections in their materials. I pointed this out to anyone that would listen and asked fellow activists to pressure our leaders to correct this colossal failure.

Although some appeared to understand that the lack of attention was a serious problem, most of the officials I talked to did a lot of hemm'ing and haww’ing. Some responded with something like this:

"We are focused on policy. Conduct of elections has been the purview of the party or the candidates."
In a few cases, I think I made some headway when I challenged the "not my area" mind-set.

Does anyone realize how many millions- billions could be saved by simply mandating federally-designed paper ballots for every state?
When I talked to Greg Speeter, Executive Director of the National Priorities Project, his response was (not a direct quote):
We do budget analyses. I don’t see how elections would fit with our mission.
I was floored. He was the first one I approached (they had a pre-conference press conference to announce the Cities Progress Network). I reigned in my impulse to hit him over the head with a blunt object and politely suggested that budget analyses were precisely what our representatives needed, for example, an examination of the differential spending per voter in different jurisdictions to expose the unfairness or a breakdown of what it would cost the Federal government to fund each recommendation in Conyers report (I gave him a copy of the report).

You might want to write them and suggest an analysis that would address your question.

When I cornered Laura Nichols, Senior Vice President for Communications and Strategy of the Center for American Progress (she filled in for Podesta at one of the forums) and asked her what they were planning to do on Trustworthy Elections. She initially attempted to justify why trustworthy elections were not on their agenda. I challenged her rationalizations and eventually she gave me the name of who to contact over there to discuss it. I don’t have his card handy, but will be following up.

I spoke with many others, including Robert Borosage and Representative Jan Schakowsky (Got them together, two birds with one stone. Both agreed that it was a problem that needed to be addressed. Who knows whether it really sunk in.)

So, with regard to providing "us with a clean election any time soon" – doesn't look promising. I hope folks will let members of Congress and organizations know fixing our elections is at the top or your list, and should be at the top of theirs. We won’t make progress on the other things on their lists if our votes don’t count. Help them understand the power of the issue to activate and engage their constituents and members. The failed elections of 2000 and 2004 did not just anger Democrats. In Florida, people across the political spectrum were not happy to see news clips of long lines and reports of failures, when their state has supposedly spent a fortune to "fix" the system.

We know elections are a core issue. We can't just run off fighting the opposition when we don't even have "our side" on boards.

If Democrats and Progressive organizations embrace the fight for free and fair elections, it could become their core value and message – i.e., Democrats believe in Democracy. Pure and simple. When accused of having no “core”, we can say, BS. We believe we do a better job of solving our problems when more citizens participate in shaping the agenda. We believe that every citizen must have an equal opportunity to cast their vote and have that accurately and transparently counted.

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http://markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/2005/06/team-bush-paid-millions-to-nathan.html

Team Bush paid MILLIONS to Nathan Sproul-and tried to hide it!

A News from Underground Exclusive!
by Mark Crispin Miller and Jared Irmas

A huge expense
In the months before the presidential election, a firm called Sproul & Associates launched voter registration drives in at least eight states, most of them swing states. The group-run by Nathan Sproul, former head of the Arizona Christian Coalition and the Arizona Republican Party-had been hired by the Republican National Committee.

Sproul got into a bit of trouble last fall when, in certain states, it came out that the firm was playing dirty tricks in order to suppress the Democratic vote: concealing their partisan agenda, tricking Democrats into registering as Republicans, surreptitiously re-registering Democrats and Independents as Republicans, and shredding Democratic registration forms.

The scandal got a moderate amount of local coverage in some states--and then the election was over. Now anyone who brought up Nathan Sproul, or any of the other massive crimes and improprieties committed on or prior to Election Day, was shrugged off as a dealer in "conspiracy theory."

It seems that Sproul did quite a lot of work for the Republicans. Exactly how much did he do? More specifically, how much did the RNC pay Sproul & Associates?

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http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200506/200506300020.html

Wrong Click Publicises Workings of U.S. Korea Policy

A confidential report for the Korean Embassy in Washington on key players in the U.S.’ Korea policies is no longer so confidential after it was accidentally e-mailed to 800 subscribers of a daily political tip sheet containing news and gossip from around the country.

The author of the report, Chris Nelson, accidentally emailed the report to the roughly 800 subscribers to his political tip sheet, the Nelson Report. The Washington Post reported that government officials in Washington, diplomats and think-tank researchers pay US$700 a month to receive his tip sheet.

A former journalist, Nelson wrote his report based on interviews with government officials connected with Korea policy and researchers. The report said the Bush administration's views of North Korea have not changed since his first term, and that core decisions concerning the North, such as negotiations with Pyongyang, depend on U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney.

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Lurking for awhile. My mind gets dizzy reading the posts.

Jo, a while back you asked why no one responded to your 'Critical Mass' post. My answer to you is that I scan quickly right now because there is a deluge of postings that go way off topic from astro or else gratuitous backslapping of other's posts without contributing anything newsworthy or astrology but opinions. Maybe these type of posts can be private emails to one another.

Stay in the NOW good people of AW.
With our eyes on the popcorn we might miss the big enchilada between bouts of yapping.

Personally I'm not so enthralled living in the future wondering what Pluto in Cap is gonna be like since we live in the Sag era and it's a mess.

Where is Shylurker?

As far as the bashing goes I remember being based here myself on AW a few times by the anti-bashers. Practice what one preaches? If one puts themselves in the role of 'leadership' then they are open to ALL opinions. Do not tell me how to think or what to say about their performance. Kerry needs to earn my trust and respect before I'll move towards him again.

Shhhh! Silence is a great sound.

Maybe I'm totally paranoid but it smells in here like freeper. Remember , they come in like they are with us, stay with us due to enabling, add empty calories, then throw in a comment to bring us down and turn a hot topic into over- yapping. Whoever has all the time in the world to post all day is a clue. Who else would unless they are getting paid?

Stay in the NOW!
ps good work with Dean, hope the suggestions work.

Looks like the Iran "public relations" campaign for war has just begun. The U.S. is accusing the new President Elect of having been involved in the hostage crisis of the 70's. If you look at the photos, it's clear to me that it couldn't be him. The eyebrows and eyes are totally different between the two photos. But the public will probably buy it unless a counter argument gets started on the internet. This one needs to be nipped in the bud. Otherwise, off to Iran we go.

Is he trying to form a 3rd party or has he been co-opted into the existing Dem Party? It appears from his tireless pursuit of incorporating grassroots energy and shaking up the existing turgidity that has been imposed upon the locals, that Dean is transforming the Dem Party into a force of and by people rather than the corporations. It's a very fancy dance he's performing, the powers that be are formidable (corps and Establishment pols (i.e., corps-funded)) and his success is certainly not guaranteed--particularly if we don't get involved locally in the transformation. What is so extraordinary about him, unique actually, is that he's the only one who volunteered for this phenomenal task. Others sit around and grouse. Dean is a mover and a shaker, and he's fearless (though I do think he stays out of small planes). I hope Cap'n Sally will continue to share her gems regarding Ho Ho, and Ho Ho continues to transform the Dems into a party of, by and for the people.

"demos"... Greek.. "people"

* PM Tony Blair Confirms Authenticity of Downing St Memo

...Submitted by davidswanson on Thu, 2005-06-30 08:20. Evidence SAN STEFFAN / WESTMINSTER DATGANIAD I'R WASG PLAID CYMRU THE PARTY OF WALES PRESS RELEASE Wednesday 29 June 2005 - for immediate release

The PM has confirmed the authenticity of a Downing St memo in which Sir Richard Dearlove, the former head of MI6, tells Mr Blair that the [rez regime] was "fixing" the intelligence & facts about Saddam Hussein's regime to back up a decision that had been taken to invade Iraq as early as July 2002.

The Downing St memo which was leaked to the Sunday Times newspaper in May 2005 has become a critical issue in the US. Senators Kennedy & Kerry have joined the escalating debate by writing to [rez] asking whether or not the memo was authentic & accurate. Downing St has previously refused to comment on the memo's authenticity, but challenged for the 1st time on the floor of the House of Commons the PM has finally confirmed its authenticity. ... http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=100496

* President Urges Patience on War--but it's LBJ, in 1965

"To abandon this small & brave nation to its enemies, & to the terror that must follow, wld be an unforgivable wrong," Johnson said. "To withdraw from one battlefield means only to prepare for the next." At that moment, only 400 [ameriCO] boys had died in the rice paddies. Here's the complete text.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/columns/pressingissues_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000971144

For me, Pluto through Sagittarius has been a combination of good and bad so far, and I believe that Pluto through Capricorn will be the same.

And Bhakti, before I head out, hang in there kiddo. I usually don't stay for long. This has been a bit unusual, and who knows, it might be a little longer. But it won't last forever. Patience.

Oh, and I wish I were getting paid for this. What a great gig!

Why human microbes gives theyselves such airs & importance is beyond me anyway. They crawl about on a tiny lil Planet in a system waaaay out on an arm of just one of countless galaxies. If some of us do all of us in... well then, the universe shld say "Good Riddance" on such a contentious egoic unloving badly acting-out mess of germs. So there.

Sandra Day O'Connor - March 26, 1930 El Paso, TX. NBT - Ms. O'Connor has been tired of all of this for sometime now. She has a Pluto/Venus Square from Cancer to Aries, a Saturn/Uranus square from Capricorn to Aries. Transiting Saturn has been triggering her Cardinal signs and with Mars now in Aries and coming to a close Conjunction to her Venus and square Pluto, she just decided she's gone. I expect her final decision (after a very long period of deliberation) came when Mars was at 10/11 Aries. And so the Supreme Court fight begins.

I just gave it some thought and what I really meant to say was:

Bhakti,

Thanks for reigning me in. I am spinning out of control Whirling dervish time.

I REALLY am going to stop now.

Later...... and thanks again.

It will be interesting to say the least.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1007

No Bounce: Bush Job Approval Unchanged by War Speech; Question on Impeachment Shows Polarization of Nation; Americans Tired of Divisiveness in Congress—Want Bi-Partisan Solutions—New Zogby Poll

President Bush’s televised address to the nation produced no noticeable bounce in his approval numbers, with his job approval rating slipping a point from a week ago, to 43%, in the latest Zogby International poll. And, in a sign of continuing polarization, more than two-in-five voters (42%) say they would favor impeachment proceedings if it is found the President misled the nation about his reasons for going to war with Iraq.

The Zogby America survey of 905 likely voters, conducted from June 27 through 29, 2005, has a margin of error of +/-3.3 percentage points.

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http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20050701/al01.art.htm

What Iraq needs is a Walter Cronkite

Plain Talk By Al Neuharth- USA TODAY Founder

President Bush went on the air this week to pretend again that things are OK in Iraq. Shades of President Lyndon Johnson and Vietnam nearly 40 years ago.

The most important similarity between Iraq and Vietnam is that both Democratic and Republican presidents lied to us in wartime. To refresh your memory, here's how we got out of the Vietnam quagmire:

•Walter Cronkite, CBS-TV news anchor known as “the most trusted man in America,” after a combat tour of Vietnam in 1968 declared, “There is no way this war can be justified any longer.”

•Johnson lamented to aides, “If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America.” He announced he would not run for re-election.

The crucial difference between Vietnam and Iraq is that there is no Cronkite to call Bush's bluff. Without a strong, trusted, non-political voice, too many of us remain Bush-blinded. Bush tried keeping the wool over our eyes again Tuesday on national TV by repeatedly tying Iraq to 9/11. That charge is as phony as his discredited prewar claim that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.

Most of us who have had personal war experiences strongly believe this great country is worth fighting for at risk of lives. My World War II Bronze Star and Combat Infantryman's Badge on the wall behind my desk remind me of that daily.

They also remind me that war is hell, that we must fully support our servicemen and women and put their lives at risk only for honest and just and noble causes.

That's why I'm convinced the best way to support our troops in Iraq is to bring them home. Sooner rather than later.

Aye Sally so it does. We can only hope that we are as americans just as glued to the process of judicial selection as we were during the Bork hearings....it's hard to imagine a favorable outcome here.

tseka

Deconstruction is easy, it's hard to build.I'm guilty of this myself. Sometimes, I'm so focused on getting America to wake-up to the truth of Bush & Co. that I need to remember that as Dems or Progressives that we need to build a more humane and loving understanding of the role of governement.

The last thing we need to do is start accusing people of being freepers in sheep's clothing. I know what that it like. When I went to New York City and they found out I was from Texas, they just assumed I was some right-wing nutjob, even though I am a card-carrying Democrat who protested the War many times. It was just too hard for them to let go of their stereotypes.

If we want to succeed as Progressives, we need to start supporting each other... esp, we need to support those of us in the so-called "Red States" (which are really purple) because we here are fighting the good fight. We need to come together to survive.

Pat QOP, I hope all is well. I'm still very concerned for you and your son.

Timothy, oh Timothy! It would be great if you'd provide your expertise here. It is my understanding that 'demos' (Greek) has meaning ranging from "the people" to "the mob" (depending on how cynical one is, I guess), and that 'anarchos' has meaning ranging from "leaderless" to "without a ruler". I go with the more positive meaning of 'demos' and while I think it quite utopian (uh-oh, I brought in another word now) to think we can ever achieve it, wouldn't it be grand if someday we were so rational, so intelligent, so caring and so blah-blah-blah that we could be a society where leaders (to say nothing of dictators) were not even needed? Nice goal. Very distant future.

Timothy, please help us out here before we do bad things to the Greek language and classical concepts. Many thanks.

Shylurker! Welcome back!

Hey, great news, everyone! We are finally getting a liberal news network! Independent World Television News, or IWTNews -- will be produced by a broad international coalition of people aiming to put real fairness and balance back into the news. But this isn't just a "liberal CNN". It's going to be totally grassroots, meaning they'll be as free as possible from corporate influence. They are planning to hold a massive, global fundraiser to generate money to handle the operating costs for the network, which also means that they will be commercial free. Check it out:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3989104

Have you read this about the evil Monsanto?
http://www.organicconsumers.org/monsanto/uproar052705.cfm

So who will it be? C Boyden Grey? Ted Olsen? The new Attorney General who justified torture? OMG There are so many charts to examine.

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/index.html

But nowhere has O'Connor's vote been so visible and important than in the arena of abortion rights. O'Connor once said that Roe v. Wade had "no justification in the law or logic." But in the landmark 1992 case Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey, O'Connor joined Anthony Kennedy and David Souter in a three-judge plurality decision that defended Roe against attack from the religious right and the more conservative justices on the court. "We are led to conclude this," O'Connor and her colleagues wrote. "The essential holding of Roe v. Wade should be retained and once again affirmed." In the 2000 case of Steinberg v. Carhart, O'Connor joined four other justices in invalidating a Nebraska law that prohibited late-term, or "partial birth" abortions. O'Connor said the Nebraska law was unconstitutional because it did not provide an exception in cases where the health of the woman was at risk and because it placed "an undue burden on a woman's right to choose to terminate her pregnancy before viability." If O'Connor were a more reliably conservative justice -- say, someone in the Scalia-Thomas "mold" George W. Bush has said he favors -- the Steinberg decision, and a whole lot of others, would have come out differently.

Thus, it's not surprising that, within minutes of O'Connor's retirement announcement, abortion-rights activists began issuing pronouncements about the importance of the fight over her replacement. "This will be a defining moment," Nancy Keenan, the president of NARAL Pro Choice America said in a statement emailed to reporters this morning. "President Bush has to pick between what mainstream America wants and what the radical right demands." Marcia Greenberger, co-president of the National women's Law Center, said: "A woman’s right to choose is at stake, and so are a whole range of laws that protect women’s constitutional rights to equal protection, as well as their rights in employment, education, and health, safety and welfare."

The anti-abortion Family Research Council has scheduled a press conference for this afternoon.

http://salon.com/news/feature/2005/07/01/sci_psy/index.html

Scientology's war on psychiatry
The controversial church, whose founder called shrinks "terrorists" and which labels mental illness a fraud, is closer than you think to implanting its extreme beliefs in the nation's laws and schools.

It may be easy to dismiss Tom Cruise's recent outbursts against psychiatry as the ravings of an egomaniacal celebrity. Comedians have certainly had a field day with Cruise, a fervent disciple of the Church of Scientology, ever since he scolded Brooke Shields for taking prescribed medication to treat her postpartum depression and lectured Matt Lauer, host of the "Today" show, that psychiatry was a "pseudoscience" and antidepressant drugs were worthless because there is "no such thing as a chemical imbalance." "No?" wisecracked Lewis Black on "The Daily Show," watching a video clip of Cruise berating Lauer, "Then what do you call what's happening to you right now?"

But the Church of Scientology's war on psychiatry is no joke. For decades, Scientologists have maintained that the very notion of mental illness is a fraud. They base this belief on the views of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, who proclaimed that psychiatry was an evil enterprise, a form of terrorism, and the cause of crime. Now, they're attempting to enshrine their contempt for psychiatry in laws across the country.

Recently, Scientologists have promoted legislation in Florida, Utah and New Hampshire that seeks to discredit psychiatry and drug therapies, especially for kids. The laws would penalize, even criminalize, schoolteachers who recommended mental health treatments to students or parents. At the same time, Scientologists have infiltrated the public schools, promoting a drug abuse program that presents information -- that drugs like marijuana and LSD, for instance, accumulate in body fat and create constant cravings -- roundly dismissed by medical experts.

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LIVE8 - THE BIGGEST SPIRITUAL EVENT EVER - JOIN IN WITH MEDITATION,
PRAYER AND HEALING

by William Bloom

This Saturday's Live8 Concert will be the biggest spiritual event that
humanity has ever experienced.

This is an extravagant claim, but two things are for certain. First, never
before in the history of humanity have so many people been involved in a
single shared experience. Second, the core of the experience is both
celebratory and moral - 'spiritual' by any other name.

The figures and reality of the event are impressive and worth repeating.
Live8 will be the biggest broadcast ever, with more than 5.5 billion
people able to tune in through a variety of media. The global population
today stands at 6.5 billion which means that 85 per cent of all people
will be able to watch or listen to the concert. This surpasses the
previous 2004 record of the 3.9 billion people who watched the Olympic
Games.

No matter how cynical some may be about its showbiz buzz, the whole
happening can be positively described as contemporary collective religion
and spirituality at its best. It has all the features of great worship.
Song, rhythm and noble ideals.

Whether it is the Gregorian chant of Christian monks, hymn singing, tribal
and pagan dance, Buddhist mantras, Islamic song-prayers or one of the many
other cultural forms - throughout history, in all times and places, people
have come together to share their spirituality through music.

Today the shared music of our globe is rock and pop.

This Saturday the congregation is almost everyone on the planet.

Global, collective worship.

And the event has depth - the depth of true meaning, compassion and
relevance. It is concerned with the suffering and deaths of millions of
children and adults, condemned by a poverty that can be remedied. It will
raise consciousness and open hearts.

It is fully engaged in social and political realities, bringing direct
pressure to bear on the 8 world leaders who will meet in Scotland for the
G8 summit and who have the opportunity now to increase aid, release debt
and create a global trading system that is fair, immediately saving lives
that are otherwise slaughtered by our gods of uncaring commerce and power
politics.

But as a spiritual event, Live8 will also carry atmosphere and energy. It
will call in and transmit love, compassion and connection. Anyone who
remembers the LiveAid concert of 20 years ago, or the opening and closing
of the last Olympic games, will remember the powerful emotion and energy
of those events.

This Saturday, then, is also an opportunity for prayer, meditation and
healing.

There is occasion here for everyone to participate. As well as being
enthusiastic supporters and spectators, we can also give co-creative
spiritual engagement. Whatever the event appears to be on the outside, in
the inner world it also has immense power. During the worldwide
concert, we can pray and meditate for global healing and justice for all
the world's people.

We can call for and send healing.

We can increase our commitment to a life style that harms no one and no
being.

Religion by religion there is a common myth that their saviour will return
and lead humanity to a better world, to heaven on earth. This is an old
model, a hope dependent on a single leader. Today's world is more
democratic, less hierarchical. There is the possibility that humanity as a
whole can manifest its spirituality and love of freedom. As with the fall
of the Berlin Wall or the response to the Tsunami disaster, the heart and
passion of humanity can manifest in enormous group events.

As we know every few seconds a child dies of extreme poverty. A lost life,
a devastated family. I cannot live with this any more. Most of us cannot
bear it.

Linked by the global communications network, linked by our shared prayers
and meditations, let this coming Saturday truly be the greatest spiritual
event ever. Let it move and transform the hearts of all of us,
manifesting practically in a transformed world.

Enjoy the party. Anchor the passion. Heal the world.

William Bloom
June 2005
www.williambloom.com
www.holism.info

The Planetary Awakening Network
http://www.planetawake.org

Sharon,
Thanks for the info on switchwords. I ordered the
James Mangan book "The Secret of Perfect Living", that came out in 1963, through interlibrary loan. It contains several pages of switchwords. I will keep a copy for myself if anyone has questions. His idea isn't original because I took the "Silva Method of Mental Dynamics" that Jose Silva put together at the same time and it has some of the same exercises for changing your "mental wiring".

All good posts, everyone. They are much honored and appreciated - you all bring your specialty to this board. I especially appreciated Grizzly's constructive criticism - most of which is the basis of Howard Dean's message. (He was in N.O. yesterday the 30th, Jo, and the tickets were $50 each with more expensive slots available. Myron & I think its crucial to support the Democrats right now). Whether head of the DNC or a new party, I don't think the good governor will give up easily. His message is the same one we heard during his presidential campaign and based on what he accomplished in Vermont (and is the backbone of the Democratic Party): a balanced budget (he said that Repub. presidents have never managed that once - they are the borrow and spend party), jobs, health care, education, relief for the working classes instead of the rich. He and his brother are working hard at the grassroots level & above to support the Democrats and each worthy candidate. I hope we do everything we can because everything helps. I came away deciding that one of the best thing I can do, as was stated here by Grizzly and others (includling Dave) is to define my Talking Points and have them ready. I will borrow from what Grizzly posted. I also would like to re-read the New Testament because that is the true Christian message, and pick up talking points from that. The Christian right has a very cohesive message...the moderates in this world (Buddha said the middle path is best) need to have an equally cohesive message, spiritual, religious and common sensable, to express in talking points. Maybe we can make up a collection of talking points here and I'll do a summary if you like.

By the way, I gave this website address to Governor Dean, and he just might tune in. Welcome, Governor Dean...We would love to have you contribute.

As far as a 3rd party, Jo, the seed of that may be growing now but it is a good idea to work with the Democrats now as many of our prominent ones are really mad and aren't going to take it anymore!!!!

Intelligent slogans and sound bytes are extremely important, too. It would be great if the Democratis had one great slogan, such as the Party of Hardworking American and American Values.

Thanks for the offer on switchwords, Jill. I am happy with the basic ones right now: REACH, BE, DIVINE, DIVINE ORDER, and the master word, TOGETHER :-) :-) :-)

And now I, too, have to go get some things done. See you all later.

The most amazing thing just happened.

I was in the bank to get some documents notorized and the first thing the banker said to me after the Hello, How are you was how terrible the Iraq War is. We discussed it for a moment, and a while later got down to business.
Something is in the air.

jm,

There IS something in the air! Here in NYC, I was taking Cinnamon -- my dachshund made famous in previous posts -- for her walk through Washington Square Park when we saw a middle-aged couple getting out of their Jeep. The woman saw Cinnamon and, as they always do, oohed and ahhed and had to pet her. I look up to see the husband shutting the door to the Jeep and then notice the windows are crawling with "I voted Bush" and "support our Troops" stickers. Ewwwwwww!!!!!

So I asked if they had, in fact, voted for Bush. After an awkward moment, they admitted they had ... but did so with heads hanging and a sense of shame!!! No bravado. No "yeah, whatcha gonna do about it?". Just a sense of shame and regret. After a moment, I asked if they thought that maybe Bush had lied to get into Iraq and the woman chirped up with "it's in the Downing Street Memo that he did", which caused her husband to glare at her.

By now my doggie had her legs crossed and was jumping up and down in desperation, so I thanked them for their kindness in saying hello to Cinnamon and the pup and I headed to the Park. But there definitely IS something in the air. Something big.

I think Bush's Conservatively Idealogical choice for Justice may be the last tipping point for many Americans. It almost feels as if the Iraq war and his falling poll numbers (indicating the Public's weariness with him and his whole charade) have damaged him enough to where, when he does go for the extreme right-wing conservative Justice he wants (believing that "the people" will support him), more Americans will be willing to say "that's it! enough is enough."

Just in time for the 2006 mid-term elections. :-)

Thanks for the heads up, Jaycee!!! Am passing that one around! ;O)

Shylurker, glad to see you're still around. I was afraid you'd become trapped under the bed.

My nephew is home on leave this week from the navy and once again there is talk of him going to Iraq. His orders have fallen through before so I hope that's the case again.

I've been mostly lurking over the past few weeks and pondering opinions. It amazes me the depth of thought and passion I see on this board every day. For those of you with loved ones sick or in pain, I send white light and love.

One thing I have noticed from quietly lurking is that the overall tenor of the board has changed. I hear hope in more of the postings than was there only a few weeks ago. Not so much fear now. What has happened to give more of us a feeling of empowerment, a sense that we can fight back against the injustices inflicted on us since the 2000 election? Is this my imagination? I just wonder if Saturn nearing the end of Cancer and heading closer to Leo has anything to do with it?

Mike, does Guido have any thoughts on this?

Pat C, I don't know about the Scientology stuff, but personally I am totally against the american way of medicating ourselves until we're really sick. I also strongly disagree with giving kids psychotropic drugs like ritalin, prozac, etc. Here is Florida 2/3 of the kids in foster homes and HHS are zombies because of all the medication they're given. And they don't have a choice about taking them. It's criminal. And our taxpayer dollars are paying for it and big pharma is making a killing. So, even though I don't agree with Scientology, if they want to do the legwork to stop this - all the more power to them!

I want to say that I keep trying to answer the “what do you want” question and writing around in circles.

Jonathan, I think you are right. Doesn’t it seem that now that the Repugs are in position to do things they’ve longed to do forever, like nominate SC judges, the tide is going out on them and their long awaited triumphs are hollow?
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I want to add how much I liked the affirmation “I am highly pleased with myself in the presence of others” and the switchwords. Does anyone know switchwords that could calm an anxious person or help someone who becomes depressed and hopeless (my college son)?

Oh my god, Teresa.. How beautiful. The change in the board. Hope.

I absolutely believe this is partly the Saturn exit.

Saturn in Leo is full of pride. You can't help it. Can't resist it. It's Leo.

The most important thing to me, Jonathan, about this thingy in the air is, "Where are these people getting this accurate information? Certainly not from television? Then?

Are the antennae rising. It's what people are talking about everywhere that is the news. It's like the weather. But it looks like they want some real facts.

But where? They're picking it up somewhere.

Hi Marcia, don't forget to put your name in the affirmation as in "I, Marcia, am highly pleased with myself in the presence of others".

As far as switchwords working for anxiety and depression I personally have found that the Cancel, Cancel and the above afirmation work for many many situations. Anxiety is usually caused by fear. And in order to experience fear we have to visualize it (unless something is actually happening at which point I don't know if Cancel Cancel will work, though running might be bit more effective!). As soon as the negative visualization comes up you nip it in the bud by Cancel Cancel or Delete, Delete (whichever you prefer). And you keep on doing it every time that negative thought comes up. Once you get into the habit of canceling out negative thoughts more and more positive thoughts have the chance to get through, thus reducing the anxiety/fear felt. Same goes for depression. Eliminate those negative thoughts, that loud internal voice that repeats childhood messages drummed in to us ... it's not going to be the panacea for every ill, but it can go a long way towards helping us "get on our feet".

I am back.....speaking of transits, Saturn just separated from my Jupiter...and yesterday, I was online transfering money between accounts (the rent is due today) when all of my balances went to ZERO.

I had an inkling the IRS had taken my money, and I was right. I ended my bankruptcy and they just came and took every dime.

So I got on the phone with them and after 15 minutes on hold, the most divine man helped me out...and in the process, realized how bad their computer system is....as the computer had illegally and in error put the lien on me. I still have things to take care of, but what amazed me was that last December when I was trying to resolve the problems I spoke to a woman who seemed not to want to assist me, who seemed to want to make the IRS as scary as possible, and now this guy.....an angel. I told him he now had super good karma, and he laughed and thanked me (he got everything reversed, but the bank charged ME $25 for it!)....l.

so that is why I haven't read the last 97 posts.....the IRS ate my money.

I like "delete".

Judi, please. Don't ever let that frippin' IRS keep you from 97 posts on Astroworld. Unfair.

Marts, AMEN on everything you said. I couldn't improve on it.

No Scientology fanfare from me. I do however hope humanity can break the bonds of medication when it is not called for for their own health. We must not go quietly into the night.

Marcia, here are some switchwords he could use.
MOVE - to display pep and sudden energy and/or to get rid of inertia
TOMORROW - to destroy remorse
THANKS - to cease regretting
NAME OF A KNOWN SMILER - to smile
NAME OF A FAMILIAR ENTHUSIAST - to enthuse
POSTPONE - to prevent pouting streak
UP - to: dispel an attack of the blues, lose inferiority complex
PRAISE - to stop faultfinding
CHUCKLE - to turn on personality
TAP - to convert another
BLUFF - to: dispel nervousness, conscious fear
AROUND - to improve perspective
SLOW - to: withstand impatience, be wise
REVERSE - to bury your grudges
GUARD - to preserve personal safety
BE - to: achieve peace of conscience, banish lonesomeness, maintain good health
ELATE - to turn a setback into an uplift
CANCEL - to: dispel a worry, obliterate a negative thought, prevent a person or action from annoying one, avoid poverty or debt
CONTINUE - to develop or increase endurance
SWEET - to be soothing to others
NEXT - to complete a lot of detail work
ADJUST - to handle anything unpleasant
ON - to: create new ideas, nourish ambition
GIGGLE - to get in mood for writing
OFF - to break a bad habit [SAVE/drinking, COUNT/smoking]
DONE - to: meet a deadline, build willpower
CARE - to remember, in sense of memorize
REACH - to: solve a problem, find lost or misplaced article, remember something forgotten

Thanks Jill!
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http://tinyurl.com/c6vdm

Nader Campaign Aide Pleads Guilty to Fraud

VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. - The coordinator for Ralph Nader's 2004 presidential campaign in Virginia pleaded guilty Tuesday to election fraud.
James P. Polk, 47, will serve 30 days of home detention and was fined $2,500.
Polk was accused of illegally certifying petitions to get Nader, an independent candidate, on the ballot. He was indicted on 10 counts of election fraud in October, but prosecutors withdrew nine of those counts.
Nader's name was not placed on the ballot in Virginia. His campaign needed to collect 10,000 signatures of registered voters, but fell well short.

Jo, I was a late 60s hippie as well as an early 70s 'yippie' (for anyone who can remember what THAT was all about). I was extremely idealistic, and truly believed that if everyone could just come together, smoke some really righteous Colombian Gold or Thai Stick and listen to the Grateful Dead or Jefferson Airplane perform live at the Fillmore East (as I was lucky enough to do
on multiple occasions) then the world would surely morph into a much kinder, gentler, and significantly more peaceful place.

Even though I eschewed violence in my protesting days (ultimately too frightened to risk serious jail time) I was REALLY pissed off at Nixon, John Mitchell, Haldeman, Erlichman, etc. and did manage to become part of a group that staged a quite high profile sit-in at N.Y.U. downtown campus (my alma mater) when we "kidnapped" a Department of Defense computer being used by the school in some unknown capacity. Atty. Gen. John Mitchell (who in retrospect seems like a saint compared to Ashcroft + Gonzalez) was personally involved in the negotiations to get us the hell out of there, and (luckily for us students) the university itself finally caved and basically resigned from that particular govt. sponsored research project (if it was now, we probably would all be sent to Gitmo for an extended stay under the Patriot Act).

Anyway, the reason I am ranting so badly now is that I am VERY sympathetic to the anarchic/libertarian point of view, but with Bush + his lunatic minions running around, high minded idealism is currently not an option. Once Bush is safely ensconsed in Crawford (hopefully as an intermediate stop on his way to the Hague), then we will all have the luxury of civilized discourse and debate on how to clean up the monumentul mess left behind (and how to ensure it never happens again), and of course what should and must come next, but like many thinking people I believe that this is (at the least) the biggest crisis since Hitler invaded Poland and what followed from there.

The reason that I am harsh with many of the Dems is that so many of them seem to still be approaching this time period as just "business as usual", rather than a history defining fight for the soul and survival of the republic itself. As a (currently) two party system, I believe that (in the short term) we have no choice but to fight within the context of the existing structure.

It is therefore, now finally time from my point of view for the Dem politicians to ratchet up the anti Bushco rhetoric and start "telling it like it is" without fear or trepidation to the American people, because as Jonathon + JM both just wisely pointed out, Bush' popular support, even among traditional conservative voters is sinking like a stone. Time now for all the Dems to speak and act together as a unified party, and (most importantly)work in harmony as a team to throw Bush the very heavy anvil he so richly deserves.

Thanks so much, Jill, for the switchwords, and Marta for that point about the affirmation.

Great post, Grizzly. I'm about to leave work (where I often have so little to do that I lurk on AW for long periods) for home (where there's so much to do I hever touch the computer). I'm going to take with me that great image of Bush catching the very heavy anvil.

Sharon, as a Leo I am gratified (and admittedly proud) that you approved of my "constructive criticism" of many of the Dem politicians, and my sample talking points. I am also so happy for your positive and exciting encounter with Howard Dean.

I encourage you to utilize anything in my posts you might find helpful. Yes, the dynamics of popular opinion have I believe radically shifted for the better very recently. I believe we all should give ourselves and each other a collective pat on the back for helping in our own specific and highly individual ways to finally begin to change this consciousness and directional energy flow.

Personally, I would also like to pay tribute to so many of the the folks over at Daily Kos for working so tirelessly in conjunction with honest to goodness American heroes like John Conyers, to cajole and indeed shame the MSM into starting to do their jobs and reporting the news, rather than just continue schilling for the current administration. The fight is far from over, but I think we all can finally see at least the initial glimmer of
light at the end of the tunnel.

I'm so overly tired now from all this positive energy and excitement that I even forgot to sign my last post. Goodnight from Warsaw, Poland, fellow Astroworlders!!

Sweet dreams Griz.

On that note....

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/070105X.shtml
The December Decision
By Stirling Newberry

snip....

With the crash of a Chinook troop transport helicopter, lost, in all probability, to hostile fire, the parallels between the Soviet invasion and occupation of Afghanistan and the US invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq should be held to closer parallel. Consider that, from the point of invasion to the 10 May letter, the Soviets had suffered, on average, 5 killed per day of involvement, and 13 wounded. The United States has suffered only 2.3 killed, but 16 wounded. In other words, the intensity of American combat in Iraq differs from the Soviet presence in Afghanistan only in that better American evacuation and medical technology, plus better armor, saves 3 people every day who otherwise would have died.

In short, the United States is fighting its own version of the war that, according to the the foreign policy intellectual establishment, either brought down or hastened the fall of the USSR. We have engaged in the same mistakes: the Downing Street Memos of March 2002 show a determination to invade but an admission that there is poor intelligence on troops, deployment of Weapons of Mass Destruction and the state of Saddam's air force. There is no mention made of non-conventional or guerrilla warfare, just as the planning documents of the Soviet invasion do not once mention the possibility of a resistence developing. There is a reliance on an outside trained elite that, it is admitted, has no credibility on the ground.

It was a Soviet politician who reminded his fellow politburo members that with each person's death and closing of the eyes, a unique world comes to an end. It might also be added that when a nation closes its eyes to the lessons of the past, it too sets itself on a course toward its own death, a journey to that country "from which no traveler returns."

Grizzly,

Of course it is what the Dems should be doing now... with Bush's numbers down... he's a lame duck, getting lamer...

BUT is that what the Dems are doing? Last time I checked, they are making a deal on Estate Tax legislation, judicial appointments... and Shumer of NY is now meeting with the 'elitists' in NY to make a deal the Repugs can live with.

Is that what thinking people do when the opposition is sinking in their own quagmire? Make a deal?

I go through my journals every day... I can see exactly where I was this time last year... hoping like crazy Kerry was our man! Begging folks to "just stick with the candidate" ...

a year later, and another stolen election... I'm not the same... my view is clearly in the minority, not just here! But it is my view, and I don't apologize for it. I simply see no hope in the Democratic Party helping us regain free elections... I see the Dems as cowtailing to the Repugs...

Sharon, I find it interesting that in New Orleans, a city much larger than Columbia South Carolina, folks could see Dean for 1/3 the cost... actually, I recall a time Dean said Dems MUST go into Red States and try and rebuild the Democratic Party. Well, in South Carolina, the Democratic Party is made up of folks who cannot pay $150 plus to see Howard. Course the UPPER level of SC Democratic Party can afford to pay that... And they're the ones who really don't want to see any change.

to all --- I clearly see that my view of this government as a cesspool is not shared here. Defense of what our government has done with radioactive uranium and cluster bombs, not to mention atomic bombs, as nothing different since all nations are violent reminds me of what my grandson says when I ask him why he did xyz... "you should have seen what he did, it's his fault... he made me do it." That radioactive uranium is moving across this planet... it knows no boundaries...

The article in the Black Commentator that I have proclaimed so loudly so often speaks of the young inspiring a mass movement... that folks my age have never done so... it's always been the youth. So the nation need not look to protestors of the 60s and 70s to "do it again" --- I concur with that. And the young won't get angry or involved until the draft. Which is probably why the fascists have held off seven months instituting one. But it will come. And then we will see, what we will see.

I am anti-war... I have not advocated violence in the past, and I didn't do so earlier on this thread. Anarchy is not violence... violence has been labeled anarchy --- as in Rummy standing by bemused while the history of Western Civilization and the World was savaged, destroyed, when our troops invaded Iraq. Anarchy suggests self-government, which is something this government would like to taken from each and every citizen. Anarchy suggests we do not need a LEADER... (well, d'uh, look where this one has gotten us!) We need government, anarchy does not suggest we do not. But it is possible for people to make their own decisions and have their elected representatives carry out THOSE DECISIONS... not the other way around, which is what is happening now. For well over 150 years, before 1776, folks in this new land governed themselves... with an absentee ruler across the seas. Now we have a king/dictator. It is time for the People to have the power. Of course they are able to govern themselves. That is not the question. The question is... how long will America allow a dictator? Don't look to the Democratic Party to "save" us. That isn't going to happen anymore than the "rapture is" ---

July 4th is rapidly approaching. What Independence will be celebrated? The Resident has stated we should show our support for the troops by waving flags (d'uh, we do THAT every 4th of July, don't we?) and there's a TV Special I note from the internet, at the Ford Theatre (now there's a bit of irony!)...

Adios ---

Ne illegitimi carbunculi tibi in facie sint!

Jo, I just don't see why you have come to the conclusion that you are all alone here. You are not.

What Planned Parenthood has to say about dubya's Supreme court nominees.
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/pp2/portal/files/portal/webzine/newspoliticsactivism/fean-050620-supreme-court.xml

Jo: Sounds as though you are at the edge of despair. I imagine knowing that Bush now has the opportunity to tinker with SCOTUS has not helped your mood. If you haven't been to Maya DelMar's site today then I suggest you avoid it for awhile. Her article on Bush's solar return chart is enough to make me want to head for my bed and pull the covers over myself for the next 12 months.

Chin up! This too shall pass...so they say.

Please, go vote:
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/

Jo, you have my support.
It's my 23 year old son who is wise and libertarian who has been shifting my flaming liberal vision to alternatives. -Who cares about Bolton? he asks, Why save the UN -have you really looked lately at what they do? All the agencies your generation believed in have been hijacked. They are not what they once were.

I saw the shift in the democratic party long ago when Diane Feinstein was elected senator we called her a republicrat. And Hillary? Never was I a fan, she was a Golwater Girl, I listened to her healthcare plan. Those who once were elected as moderate republicans have entered the democratic party. In a two party system where could they go when their party was usurped? This shift to the "center" for the democrats is just the old republican party, neat trick eh? Did we even notice?

To the question what do i want...this: community.

Just like what i find here vibrant, thinking individuals associating in tolerance and understanding. Small steps that honor each one's gift and allows it a place.

Do you know the story of the long handled spoons? An avatar observing we inhabitants of earth asked his guide how can i go among these people to help them, they are incomprehensible. His guide threw up two windows. Each setting was identical; a long table with steaming pots of food down the center and every person around the table had long handled spoons to reach the far away food. In room 1 people were trying to feed themselves and dripped their food all over never getting any into their mouths. They were angry and starving. In room 2 people were laughing and healthy as they fed the person across the table.

What do I want? to hang out with people who know how to use long handled spoons and i don't care what flavor they come in.

OK..I will weigh in on what do we want for this country in the way of government....

I would like FAIRNESS, bi partisan ship and a real two party system with rules in place to keep business or ANY power entity from domination. I would like to strengthen the separation of church and state and a WORLD class public funded (with NO whining from anyone) educational system. I would like the least able to receive support and for the wealthiest to realize they owe much to the ones who WORK to make them wealthy....oh, I could go on and on...

whoops...not at home coputer, this is me,

There needs to be a total revamping of the world's financial system--out of the claws of mega-crooks, killers, thieves & liars. Same for the health system; what there is is pure crap AND too expensive. Beats me why some persons have their faces blown off--this is okay--& others are forced feeding tubes to keep their hearts beating tho brain-dead. None of this makes any sense--not even to the person with a 2-digit IQ. It's all madness.

I would like to live in a world that was even remotely sane.

Or perhaps Joanna we let them have it, weaning ourselves away from that which imprisions. Pat C's points are excellent re healthcare. I have seen remarkable results with homeopathy (even with severe depression). The most common reason i hear from MDs who join our Homeopathic Medical Association is that too many of their patients suffer from iatrogenic disease, that is diseases caused by prescribed medicines. Yet we are afraid so often to take the first step -trust. There are many ways we can create our own systems -barn raising style. I kinda like the idea of Live 8, and the small donations that go to Howard Dean via the internet. Fixing what's in our circle. Little steps We take.

Another strange thing occurred today. Early on I pulled a Tarot card to check on reality and up came Justice.

To me this goes back to the Nixon times and the fact that he was pardoned without even any kind of hearing to face his crimes.

Sometimes I think a completion of this cycle would be not only the impeachment of George Bush but a trial as well. I'm wondering if we could complete something by doing this and move on.

It's an exhausting process. But falsified evidence presented to Congress is a major crime. It truly does put our country at risk. When a commander can so blithely do this and call it defense of the people.

I don't know about Party lines really when it comes to my safety and the well being of my country. Maybe the people can show the courage to stand up to men such as these.

Maybe a reckoning is in the cards.

It's so much in the mind. Instead of saying, "We can't impeach our president because the Congress is Republican", We could say "We must impeach our president for the safety of our country."

And I have a question. Does anyone know of any special significance to the 29th degree of Cancer?

jm I like the way you mind works! If my life is any example, the patterns of the last 2 years was so amazingly similar to the last transit of saturn through cancer, even people and places that had been absent for nearly 30 years reappeared or became important again. Wish I could tell you this brought completion but a lot remains unsolved and unresolved. Maybe this 29 cancer needs thinking of in light of it's opposition to nessus r 0 aqu/ chiron. Perhaps an interesting blue moon rising later this month. (nessus abuse/ chiron the unhealed wound)we'll have to ask Morgana.

Tseka, thank you so much. This is a good start. We've been talkin so much about healing so far this year. At least we know we are wounded. I think it's beginning to get into the viscera of the country. Along with the Aquarian awareness.

For what it's worth, I found this interesting.

Individual degrees of Cancer.

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/dictionary/cancer-individual-degrees.php

Hello tseka. Good to see you again!

Also, I found this page to be really interesting.

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/learn-astrology/houses-in-signs.php

Pat C neat site, I've bookmarked it. thanks

It is interesting isn't it tseka? Google is a gift. There are so many tidbits out there.

My third house is Sag. and it is really fitting, particularly the last couple of sentences.

At precisely 6.52am on Monday, a copper bullet the size of a washing machine dropped from a Nasa spacecraft called Deep Impact will collide with a 1bn tonne lump of ice, dust and chemicals called Tempel 1.

http://tinyurl.com/al876
Chart

Far be it from me to claim certainty about astrological readings, particularly my own. Still, I disagree with Ms. Del Mar's assessment of Pres. Bush's Solar return. I posted about Bush's Solar Return ad nauseum in several previous threads, so rather than repeat, I'll just say, I think this one is going to be a rough one for Bush. Ms. Del Mar and I use different house systems, but that doesn't account for the total disagreement. The way I see it, Mr. Bush is going to be trying the usual charm offensive and losing. His enemies will be violent, strident, and very effective. Using the placidus system, his ascendent and descendent are placed very close to this years April 8th eclipse point, and Saturn sits in the 10th. Further, I use a triple wheel treatment, placing the Solar return as the reference inner most chart, the birth chart in the center, and the natal progressed chart as the third chart. All charts have Saturn in the 10th. The MC is sqr the Solar Return Mars/north node in the 7th and also sqr natal Chiron, Jupiter and then some, like Juno, etc. in the 1st. Frankly, there are so many other adverse aspects in this chart, I cannot see how he will come out of this coming year unscathed or bathed in anything but his fecal veriage. Jupiter is trine and sextile to some planets, but in this case, I am confident that we are going to see the over reaching, joy boy aspect of Jupiter, because Bush is just such a character himself. The chart is about law, lawsuits, courts of law, the Supreme Court, but also his own sense of ethics and the legal results of ethics. Bush's 3rd house is up to the ascendent using the Placidus system. Bush's 3rd house represent his siblings, his communication, and since it is Libra, open enemies and law suits. I believe that the three Saturn's in the 10th house tell us "he will be stopped." Perhaps I dream.

May your dream come true, Beasley.

Ooh boy!.........
29o cancer the avid collector! My pluto is there in THE 2ND HOUSE! I'll have to think on that.
PQ

Pat QOP,
the 2nd house is not only mooney, it's our self worth, self esteem and values.

i meant "money" LOL!

When are they going to shut down this hell hole?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8435874/

Also, Beasley, I've always heard it said that Bush's sun is in the 12th house but Maya Del Mar doesn't place it there.

Researchers just found a lost collection of notes by Newton on alchemy. Isn't this interesting!!!

I have always beleived that when important things like this are unearthed that come from the past, they are messages in times that have some symbolic significance.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1519530,00.html
Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Newton the alchemist revealed in lost papers

Visualize the Rover in jail.......
http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000972839

love to all beings and namaste
(((((Pat Q/Eric)))))

Beasley (and Jo, I hope this cheers you up somewhat), you must be extraordinarily prescient, because the "liberal" and very well connected and respected journalist, commentator, and pundit Lawrence O'Donnell just dropped two informational BOMBSHELLS on MacLaughlin:

1/ THE LEAKER IN THE PLAME OUTING CASE IS SURELY KARL ROVE

2/ Time will confirm this in the coming week(s) in its "document dump" to the grand jury to avoid paying huge daily fines and to keep its reporter Matt Cooper out of jail (the Supremes refused to hear Time-Warner's appeal in this case where the judge ordered two reporters to immediately be jailed if they don't reveal their sources on the Plame leak).

From my point of view this is REALLY big news!

Gerat work Grizzly, now all please read this followup from Rense:
http://www.rense.com/general66/treason.htm

Interesting words on what the upcoming Mercury retrograde in Leo will bring
http://myss.com/Newsletter063005.asp
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Nationally and globally I believe this upcoming Mercury Retrograde will set the stage for some serious re-evaluation that the planet Saturn will deepen, as Saturn will be entering into the sign of Leo mid-July for the next two and a half years……

Garry, thanks so much for the link. It is great seeing this crucial revelation in print as well as listening to it on the show itself.

Wow, Garry, thanks again. Another great link so quickly (I always like Rense) You surely are fast on your feet. Just what our side needs right now!!

Tseka, your story of the spoons is great. I would be honored to sit across from you at the table!

((((((((((((((((((((It's Guido Time))))))))))))))))

ok, beasley, you're the person (can't say u da man on AW, nope, won't do it). i think you're right on terget. i'm a good booster because i'm willing to fight with anyone who critisizes nancy waterman's prediction of a kerry win (because kerry did win, damn it...argh!)

but, here's what's happening. the leak tonight is this from editor and publisher. msnbc (GE) analyst says rove is source of plame leak (based on notes from time reporter, cooper. time mag handed over after the supremes made them)--
http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000972839

well nbc (GE, Republican) is leaking information from notes handed over by time magazine (Time-Warner, Republican).

IF TRUE (ififif), then, here's the deal:

T.1 Rove leaks Plame to Time reporter Cooper who makes notes.
T.2 Novak publishes Plame leak
T.3 FBI for prosecutor Fitzgerald interviews Rove who says, yeah, i spread the story but only after i read it in Novak
T.4 Prosecutor Fitzgerald finds about T.1 and tries to get the notes. He knows they're there and Rove is toast. He just waits it out knowing the Supremes will give him the notes.

Why does he wait? Because he wants the biggest guy in the parking lot to beat the s*#t out of, makes his reputation as a kick-ass forever.

Now I could be wrong but if not, watch for an indictment of DeLay in TX as well, thus fulfilling my Cassandra like prophesy of a few months ago that "management" is out to get Bush because they think he's too damn crazy.

remember in washington scandals, "it's not the crime, it's the cover up." in this case, the rove crime would be lying to the FBI...yehaaaaaaaa

fun, hope i'm right and, beasley, you are right, regardless of the outcome...just ask nancy.

Grizzly,

I agree that the Dems should gather their forces together now and this is what I think might work:

I think they should go all out in illuminating the failure of the Bush administration in their promise to keep us safe. That their lapse is seriously undermining our national security. That we need an immediate comprehensive strategy in Iraq. That their intelligence gathering and security leaks are endangering us. And hopefully they have clear ideas as to how to get us out of the precarious situation we are in now.
They have a pile of ammo that won't quit on this.

If they can simply take a strong leadership approach, come to the rescue, they will reveal the failure of leadership in the currnt administration.

I think it can be uncomplicated.

Judi,

Why not just abolish the two party Congressional/Presidential system altogether? As rich as this country is in culture, diversity and ideas, why do we still continue to cling to such a ludicrously obsolete system that has strained out virtually everything else but a very narrow-minded, pathetically childish, counter-productive and harmful view on the world and everything therein?

Obviously, the present system very well serves the ruling corporo-fascist/neo-conservative/dominionist axis, which cannot long survive the scrutiny of critical objective analysis, or an open "marketplace" of diverse opinions and ideas. Indeed, we are living under an ideological monopoly, which is a close cousin to the corporate monopoly. Both operate to achieve their status by undermining and marginalizing their competition, thereby limiting the number of viable items or services available to the consumer/citizen. The consumer/citizen, however, is far better served by an open market, full of choices, full of services, full of ideas.

Better, far more democratic government alternatives have emerged in the years since this nation was founded. Variations of the Parliament system of government are actually in place in most other Western Democracies. Imagine a similar system in place here, with proportional representation and truly viable third, fourth, fifth and even sixth parties, or more, representing interests and perspectives as diverse the very people who are simply ignored, pushed aside and forgotten by today's system.

Now ask yourself what is holding us back from this very possible, highly positive, democracy-boosting outcome?

I also concur with you, Beasley, and I think George is exiting stage left. He is delivering soliloquies that no one is listening to. That leaves the stage wide open for some competent entity who knows its lines to take command. I'm visualizing what form this might take.

NEOBuckeye, I think this will happen automatically.
Bankruptcy equals restructuring. We have a global market to survive in.

jm

You are absolutely right on! The particular timing could not be better for us with Rove to soon be exposed as a traitor. I won't go so far as our illustrious ex-CIA chief and "Medal of Freedom" recipient George Tenet, and call it a "slam dunk", but between this breaking news, Downing Street, Dems blocking Bolton, the ever more transparent total mishandling of the war in Iraq, Rove's over the top speech the other day accusing Dems of wanting to coddle terrorists, the whole Schiavo debacle, the growing Rethug scandals of DeLay, Abramoff, Coingate in Ohio, (Rep. Cunninmgham in today's Wash Post is said to have burned files!) etc., etc. we are in an infinitely stronger position than even one month ago.

Yes this is exactly the time for all Dem officeholders to stand together (July 4th symbolism etc.) and call out the Rethugs as totally incompetent and unable to protect our country. For example:

a/ poll after poll shows that the U.S. is increasingly reviled and despised almost everywhere in the wold especially by Muslims, even moderate ones who formerly liked and even looked up to America (can you blame them after Abu Garib + Gitmo??)

b/ virtually every pre-war promise + prediction by Bush, Cheney, Wolfie, etc. has not come true. The war is not paying for itself with oil revenues
(having already cost the U.S. nearly $300 billion with no end in sight), no one welcomed us as liberators, and the idea of this adventure being predicted to be a "cakewalk" speaks to the total ignorance, arrogance, and duplicity of Rummy, Cheney, et al.

c/ all professional military people seem to agree that our armed forces are absolutely decimated and demoralized now with no real possibility of providing a credible defense if we would REALLY be threatened (talk about your boy who cried wolf!).

d/ Iraq is now a huge breeding ground for young Muslims who are increasingly willing to die in order to hurt America and its interests.

e/ our traditional and recent "coalition partners" have been deserting us in droves.

f/ America's traditional "soft power" advantage of being perceived as a moral leader in the world and a democratic role model has been totally destroyed by everything from gross cultural insensitivity to outright torture (what a way to make friends and positively influence opinion makers and the people themselves).

g/ our worldwide credibility is totally destroyed re other countries EVER again believing our intelligence about WMD threats posed by other countries (NUKYULAR or otherwise).

h/ nearly 2000 U.S. soldiers who previously believed that their govt. would always do right by them are now dead, perhaps 20,000 seriously wounded, and perhaps 100,000 + innocent Iraqis are dead due to the lies, planned oil grab by Cheney and his energy company buddies, and a totally insane plot to establish permanent domination of the middle east "because we could" by the delusional and ultimately sociopathic and treasonous Neo-cons.

I could (unfortunately) probably go on for hours with this, but I'm hopeful my point has been made:

"this republic simply cannot aford three and a half more years of this administration. They are simply too dangerous and wantonly destructive of our national security and military preparedness in every aspect that we can possibly imagine".

I agree, jm. Few people are ready and willing to admit it yet, but Bankruptcy is exactly where we are. But let the economy take a serious nose dive -- perhaps with the burst of the ridiculous housing bubble -- and with $3.50+ per gallon of gas, many more of the common folk who haven't already awakened are going to have a hard time keeping their heads buried in the sand about our predicament.

If there's one thing that really angers me about all of this (and, trust me, it takes me quite a bit to get there), it's that we are literally sitting on top of plans for another tech boom and all of the makings of a new economy that could carry us forward for well into the forseeable future! And yet we are doing so little about it! The energy bill that the stubborn GOP finally let through is a drop in the bucket compared to where we could be right now.

We have made so much quiet progress in solar panel and wind turbine technology that could dramatically cut our energy production costs if they were implemented on even a small scale across the country. In a few of our most progressive states, people are actually receiving subsidies from the state to add solar panels to their homes. What a novel idea!

The oil free electric car isn't a dream or a joke as Big Oil and Detroit would have us believe. It's a reality, it will be able to travel at least twice as far as your typical gas guzzling SUV before it needs recharging, and if the Detroit Big 2 and a half don't get their act together, China has plans to flood our market full of them near the end of this decade. The same technology used to power cars in this fashion can and will foster an entirely new generation of electronic equipment and devices.

The U.S. could be at the forefront in all of these areas and reaping the rewards. Instead -- and I guess it's all about Neptune in Aquarius -- we seem to be stuck in some dreamlike state where there really are infinite oil reserves, where there's nothing better than waving one's flag and sending one's children into a hellish conflict to die for the "good ol' red white and blue" because, "well... we're America and America is #1!" A lot of people are going to be feeling pretty hung-over here, when the morning finally comes.

As for Big Oil, they have been untouchable here for so long. Of course, it helps that they have their filthy, corrupting tentacles into so many aspects of our very livelihoods, not the least one of those being our government, and all over so many of our congressmen and the Resident himself. There is no other element of the corporo-fascist machine that is more entrenched. But somehow, even mighty Big Oil must be brought down, thoroughly investigated and placed under permanent and massive regulation. Our future depends on it.

Grizz, Man. As you said:

"I could (unfortunately) probably go on for hours with this, but I'm hopeful my point has been made:"

That's exactly what I'm saying about the pile of ammo.

Sorry about the multiple very long posts, but each time I hit the post button, a server error warning page was displayed, so I just assumed that the post did not get done, so I kept trying, only to see now that all the attempts came on inadvertently. Once again, sorry!!

ROVE!!!! OF COURSE!!!! HA!!!!

BTW, Sandra Day O'Connor does not step down until her replacement is appoointed. As of today she is still in place.

He's hanging tough in terms of emphasizing grassroots and eschewing corporate demands. It's up to us to make sure he continues to do this--and to urge other Dems to follow suit.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/28/AR2005062801074_2.html

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/011281.html

Saturday :: July 02, 2005
What Does the Government Really Want from Miller and Cooper?

Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald has stated in court pleadings that he already knows the identity of Judith Miller and Matthew Cooper's sources regarding the senior white house official who leaked the identity of CIA operative Valerie Plame to Robert Novak.

Miller did some reporting for a story but never wrote an article. She has maintained she intends to go to jail rather than reveal her source -- though Fitzgerald has indicated in court filings that he already knows that official's identity.

So, why is it so necessary for them to provide the information?

As the Wapo article suggests, the investigation has moved from one involving the identity of the White House official to one involving perjury - i.e., a cover-up. The source may have been questioned in front of the grand jury and lied.

Knowing the identity of the source is not enough for a perjury conviction. There must be two witnesses to the perjurious statement. Telephone records would not be enough, because they only provide the number dialed, not the identity of the person speaking. Matthew Cooper's and Judith Miller's e-mails and notes may provide that corroboration.

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travieso, the link to th Merc retrograde story http://myss.com/Newsletter063005.asp
mentions that the writer is doing a workshop in Austin....

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/011281.html

Saturday :: July 02, 2005
What Does the Government Really Want from Miller and Cooper?

Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald has stated in court pleadings that he already knows the identity of Judith Miller and Matthew Cooper's sources regarding the senior white house official who leaked the identity of CIA operative Valerie Plame to Robert Novak.

Miller did some reporting for a story but never wrote an article. She has maintained she intends to go to jail rather than reveal her source -- though Fitzgerald has indicated in court filings that he already knows that official's identity.

So, why is it so necessary for them to provide the information?

As the Wapo article suggests, the investigation has moved from one involving the identity of the White House official to one involving perjury - i.e., a cover-up. The source may have been questioned in front of the grand jury and lied.

Knowing the identity of the source is not enough for a perjury conviction. There must be two witnesses to the perjurious statement. Telephone records would not be enough, because they only provide the number dialed, not the identity of the person speaking. Matthew Cooper's and Judith Miller's e-mails and notes may provide that corroboration.

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The server must be struggling. I'll read back later.

I, too, believe Kerry won the election, as well as Gore (that is irrefutable....500,000 more VOTES)...and I think Kerry probably won by more, and I don't like the criticism's of Kerry either, as he is who he is, and has been an incredibly valuable person in his career in rooting out the truth and bringing down some major baddies. I also understand the criticisims but don't think it adds much to the real problem, which is the illegallities of the bush gestalt in the first place.

I can't find the original post to me now (how many of those posts upthread were repeats?) so don't know who questioned me about why I support the two party system....but mostly it is because that is how the country was founded , and except for the years from 1812 to about 1824 when there was only ONE party, it has been so ever since. Perhaps a Parliamentary system would be more accurate NOW, though.....but I am not a person operating within a political mind set and hadn't considered it. It's a thought!

From the article on retrogrades, I want to add to what the author wrote on this:
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the abdication of our will/ego to a deeper function of consciousness can be quite a struggle as the retrograde cycle commences and this struggle usually lasts for the first 11 days of the cycle. While the 1st half of the retrograde can be quite disorienting, the 2nd half – or last 10 days of the retrograde are about reorientation and reorganization. The turning point of every Mercury Retrograde happens once Mercury conjuncts (joins) the Sun in the heavens as it is going backward – this will occur on August 5th.
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I was taught by my spiritual astrology teacher that this day is called the "Opening of the Doors of Perception" (to borrow a Huxley book title) and as such, on this day (Aug 5), much information streams unimpeded to us.....those days have often brought amazing insights to me, so I wanted to share the term and have you all look for the same.....

Project for the Old American Century
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/index.htm

It's worthy of a donation, really.

Re the Plame case and the couple of urls to the expose....I sent this to my friend Alan in Seattle....the last email I got from him (he was completely electified by it!) is this:

He is such an evil jerk!!!.................I forwarded the RENSE.COM article to 18 "friendlys" and asked they to make calls! Don't ya love the INTERNET!! :> AC

Man, this is a great site, isn't it? Thanks for posting those links in the first place! Thanks.....Mike, Grizzley, Garry....!!! wow....

From Johnathan Cainer (www.bubble.com):

On Tuesday morning, for the first time ever, American scientists will fire a missile into a comet. Many people find this worrying. NASA freely confess that they do not know if they are going to create a hole the size of a house... or a football stadium. This brutal attempt to find out what the comet is made of is like examining a flower by hitting it with a hammer. There are real fears that the impact will alter the orbit of the comet. That may sound trivial... but if you're an astrologer, it's very serious. Comets are crucial celestial symbols; important hands on the cosmic clock. To move one of these out of position, even by a small amount, could be to upset a delicate balance and change our universe forever. The Americans insist it won't happen. Their missile, they insist, is merely, 'the equivalent of a mosquito running into an airliner'. Let us hope they are right.

Has anyone heard from Nancy or Isabelle? It would be interesting to hear their perspective on all that has occurred recently.

I think the idea that Kerry is above criticism is childish. We are adults who must take a critical look at the system as a whole, not just the opposition. I think the situation the country finds itself in is due to actions of republicans and democrats. Many democrats including Kerry co-signed the bush agenda, even on Iraq. They are part of the problem. They are beholding to the same greedy corp. interests that funds the republican machine. Money and power control this country and our two party system is the agent to carry out the directives. When democrats can't critique other democrats, they might as identify as registered republicans who value party loyalty above all else, even the will and best interests of the people.

Jill G, many thanks for the switchwords! Marcia, you are welcome!

Jo, I'm not sure why you get the impression you are in the minority here. You've certainly spoken for me on many an ocasion! So I thank you!!! I basically agree with everything you said on your 10:38 post above and just wanted to jump in and personally let you know ... :)

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MSNBC Analyst Says 2nd Source Confirms Karl Rove as Plame Leaker

By E&P Staff

Published: July 02, 2005 1:00 PM ET
NEW YORK Now that Time Inc. has turned over documents to federal court, revealing who its reporter, Matt Cooper, identified as his source in the Valerie Plame/CIA case, speculation runs rampant on the name of that source. Lawrence O'Donnell, senior MSNBC political analyst, now claims that at least two sources have confirmed that the name is--top White House mastermind Karl Rove.

O'Donnell first offered this report Friday night on the syndicated McLaughlin Group political talk show. Today, he went beyond that, writing a brief entry at the Huffington Post blog:

"I revealed in yesterday's taping of the McLaughlin Group that Time magazine's e-mails will reveal that Karl Rove was Matt Cooper's source. I have known this for months but didn't want to say it at a time that would risk me getting dragged into the grand jury.

"McLaughlin is seen in some markets on Friday night, so some websites have picked it up, including Drudge, but I don't expect it to have much impact because McLaughlin is not considered a news show and it will be pre-empted in the big markets on Sunday because of tennis.

"Since I revealed the big scoop, I have had it reconfirmed by yet another highly authoritative source. Too many people know this. It should break wide open this week. I know Newsweek is working on an 'It's Rove!' story and will probably break it tomorrow."

Here is the text of what O'Donnell said on Friday:

"What we're going to go to now in the next stage, when Matt Cooper's e-mails, within Time Magazine, are handed over to the grand jury--the ultimate revelation, probably within the week of who his source is.

"I know I'm going to get pulled into the grand jury for saying this but the source of...for Matt Cooper was Karl Rove, and that will be revealed in this document dump that Time magazine's going to do with the grand jury."

Other McLaughlin Group panelists then joined in discussing whether, if true, this would suggest a perjury rap for Rove, if he told the grand jury he did not leak to Cooper.

Besides his career at a TV journalist, O'Donnell has served as a producer and writer for the series "The West Wing."

According to published reports, Patrick Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor in the case, has interviewed President Bush and Vice President Cheney and called Karl Rove, among others, to testify before the grand jury.

"The breadth of Fitzgerald's inquiry has led to speculation that it has evolved into an investigation of a conspiracy to leak Plame's identity," the Chicago Tribune observed on Friday, "or of an attempt to cover up White House involvement in the leak."

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000972841#

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MSNBC Analyst Says 2nd Source Confirms Karl Rove as Plame Leaker

By E&P Staff

Published: July 02, 2005 1:00 PM ET
NEW YORK Now that Time Inc. has turned over documents to federal court, revealing who its reporter, Matt Cooper, identified as his source in the Valerie Plame/CIA case, speculation runs rampant on the name of that source. Lawrence O'Donnell, senior MSNBC political analyst, now claims that at least two sources have confirmed that the name is--top White House mastermind Karl Rove.

O'Donnell first offered this report Friday night on the syndicated McLaughlin Group political talk show. Today, he went beyond that, writing a brief entry at the Huffington Post blog:

"I revealed in yesterday's taping of the McLaughlin Group that Time magazine's e-mails will reveal that Karl Rove was Matt Cooper's source. I have known this for months but didn't want to say it at a time that would risk me getting dragged into the grand jury.

"McLaughlin is seen in some markets on Friday night, so some websites have picked it up, including Drudge, but I don't expect it to have much impact because McLaughlin is not considered a news show and it will be pre-empted in the big markets on Sunday because of tennis.

"Since I revealed the big scoop, I have had it reconfirmed by yet another highly authoritative source. Too many people know this. It should break wide open this week. I know Newsweek is working on an 'It's Rove!' story and will probably break it tomorrow."

Here is the text of what O'Donnell said on Friday:

"What we're going to go to now in the next stage, when Matt Cooper's e-mails, within Time Magazine, are handed over to the grand jury--the ultimate revelation, probably within the week of who his source is.

"I know I'm going to get pulled into the grand jury for saying this but the source of...for Matt Cooper was Karl Rove, and that will be revealed in this document dump that Time magazine's going to do with the grand jury."

Other McLaughlin Group panelists then joined in discussing whether, if true, this would suggest a perjury rap for Rove, if he told the grand jury he did not leak to Cooper.

Besides his career at a TV journalist, O'Donnell has served as a producer and writer for the series "The West Wing."

According to published reports, Patrick Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor in the case, has interviewed President Bush and Vice President Cheney and called Karl Rove, among others, to testify before the grand jury.

"The breadth of Fitzgerald's inquiry has led to speculation that it has evolved into an investigation of a conspiracy to leak Plame's identity," the Chicago Tribune observed on Friday, "or of an attempt to cover up White House involvement in the leak."

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000972841#

Soulchild.....but but but....do we have proof? Do we have proof (and where is it) that John Kerry is the ENEMY based on the fact that he lost an election that was quite obviously RIGGED? Nobody said anyone is above criticism....I just said I didn't LIKE it in the form it is about Kerry...and I happen to appreciate John Kerry. What is all this stuff about being grown ups (one of the things that Rethugs routinely throw at democrats? This is just my opinion....and as Sally pointed out , the gears of government and change grind slowly....but thoroughly. My only criticism is the fact that people want answers right NOW....it is a fast food mentality that most people including myself steep ourselves in. I reserve judgment on who is to blame for this mess, and it isn't the Democrats per se....it is and was the attitude that we live in a SAFE country with a SECURE democracy....sheesh....Ben Franklin said, the price of democracy is eternal vigilance.

Good reminder judi on Franklin. Thanks for that.

Sorry for the double post. Oy.

We need to learn from the Republican playbook and stop slagging Kerry or any other Democrat. Every time we do this we're just creating news clips for Fox. I think we would all be a bit more happy - and I dare say safer - if Kerry was in the White House. If we want to win over the other side we need to ask why we've spent $300 billion on the war on terrorism and we still haven't killed Osama Bin Laden.

I would love to know why Larry O'Donnell would put the "Rove" information out in public before the Grand Jury did or Fitzgerald. O'Donnell is pretty much left leaning and he isn't stupid by any stretch. As someone pointed out, "no one on the McLaughlin Report" was surprised and more surprising to me, no one not even Tony Blankley or Pat Buchanan (arch Conservatives) came to Rove's defense. No one shouted O'Donnell down, and both Buchanan and Blankley said "if a crime has been committed, the journalists need to give up their notes, and outing Plame was a crime" One of them (Blankley or Buchanan) said "there is someone else, either Bolton or Liddy" But everyone on "The Report" knew this was coming, were not surprised and didn't defend the White House, Novak or Rove. In fact they said Novak has already named names and the Grand Jury is just trying to verify his names.

Maybe the long knives are out for this administration and because of daddy's connections have to be careful how they do it, maybe they hope with enough dirt on them, the people will rise up and demand Bush/Cheney be gone, leaving their hands clean.

As far as Bush's Solar Return, there is a school of astrological thought (not sure I agree) that the SR is to be taken from the spot you are in at the time of your birthday, which would be Perth, Scotland for Bush this year and that changes the Solar Return. While a case can be made for it being a good or bad year for Bush, the most important aspect I see is the SR Venus/Mercury in Leo conjunct his natal Mercury, sextile SR Jupiter and both inconjunct by Uranus (a yod) This can be a constant foot in the mouth aspect or it can be a sudden release from pressures. Because Uranus is opposing his Mars and progressed Sun, the foot in mouth seems likely coupled with a sudden fall either literally or figuratively, it can also mean that he has a sudden turn around into popularity again, energy can work in many different ways. The Moon in his SR chart is true between the US Venus/Jupiter, but it squares his Neptune, more obfuscation and disconnect from reality and the American people are losing their taste for "disconnect." Mars will oppose his Moon, making him cranky in public and square his Sun and the US Sun and oppose US Saturn. Bush's Moon sets on US Saturn and Mars will oppose them both, frustrated anger of the Am. people with that aspect.

It might be that we have Karmically hitched our wagon to Bush's star, or visa/versa but we as a nation might be getting tired of this star and decide we want some freedom from this insecurity.

I disagree with Jonathan Cainer regarding the concern for astrologers with the stupid NASA idea of hitting a comet. There is so much star wars junk in the sky now and the path of comets are diverted all the time and they are hit quite a lot, just not with intent like this one. The shifting of the earth with the tsunami is of greater concern for astrologers, earth is a planet and the one where we live. The Hopi's say that someone brought something back from the Moon and that caused a shift in consciousness on earth several years ago and set the wheels of earth's destruction into motion. It is a really stupid move on the part of NASA and can be added to a ton of other stupid moves.

There is not a chart of when earth began, so it's hard to see what this NASA move will do to earth. Some courageous and ambitious astrologers a few thousand years ago tried to set a chart for the world, in fact there were about 15 charts set for the world, the continents, the religions, the birth of Christ, the one absolutely accurate chart we have is the birth of the Muslim Religion because they set the date for their religion when Mohammed arrived in Medina. Well I digress, NASA is throwing their "rock" at Goliath on basically the Solar birthday of the US, I don't think they will get the results this multimillion dollar sling shot hopes to bring.

Nancy is really busy right now, Morgana is in a funk, Isabelle is trying to get a new business started, and articles go down in the summer. I strongly recommend you access the links on the right side of the menu bar, and some of those astrologers.

I will be out of town for several days and will put up a couple of new threads before I go so you can discuss some of the articles on other websites.

Brilliant posts all! Heartening redirect from Beasley re Maya del Mars article (I felt my soul shrivel when I read Maya) and Grizzly re your post ... I totally agreed with it. When I think about what these people are doing they remind me of the two Austin Power movies with Dr. Evil (Cheney) and mini-me (Bush)? Every time I think of these guys and what they're doing I visualize those two characters and most of the craziness they represented is being materialized by Bush&Co. Curiously enough, in one of the two movies, the plan was blow up a comet or something and someone posted today about the copper bullet that's going to blow up or blow a hole in an asteroid. That gives me serious "willies" and I'm not sure why. But getting to my point, we've seen the shadow - now it's time for the light to come out and shine on all these cockroaches.

Some history on the Rove accusations.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/070205Z.shtml

Editor's Note: This is not the first time Karl Rove's name has surfaced in this case. In August of 2003 Valerie Plames husband, Ambassador Joeseph Wilson said: It's of keen interest to me to see whether or not we can get Karl Rove frogmarched out of the White House in handcuffs. And trust me, when I use that name, I measure my words.

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Have a nice trip Sally.

Fixing the Facts and Intelligence Around the Policy
How?
Talking Points Memo is Pursuing a New Aspect of the Story

How do the facts and intelligence get fixed around the policy, as the highest ranking British government officials have alleged the Bush Administration was doing to justify the Iraq war?

One way would be by having the Vice President hover over the shoulders of intelligence analysts. This paragraph caught my eye from a 2003 Washington Post article. Notice how close the wording of the last sentence is to the language in the Downing Street Minutes:

"Vice President Cheney and his most senior aide made multiple trips to the CIA over the past year to question analysts studying Iraq's weapons programs and alleged links to al Qaeda, creating an environment in which some analysts felt they were being pressured to make their assessments fit with the Bush administration's policy objectives, according to senior intelligence officials."

You could also pressure your top anti-terrorism expert to cook the books. This from 60 Minutes' Lesley Stahl:

"After the president returned to the White House on Sept. 11, he and his top advisers, including Clarke, began holding meetings about how to respond and retaliate. As Clarke writes in his book, he expected the administration to focus its military response on Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda. He says he was surprised that the talk quickly turned to Iraq.

'Rumsfeld was saying that we needed to bomb Iraq,' Clarke said to Stahl. 'And we all said ... no, no. Al-Qaeda is in Afghanistan. We need to bomb Afghanistan. And Rumsfeld said there aren't any good targets in Afghanistan. And there are lots of good targets in Iraq. I said, 'Well, there are lots of good targets in lots of places, but Iraq had nothing to do with it.

'Initially, I thought when he said, 'There aren't enough targets in-- in Afghanistan,' I thought he was joking.'

'I think they wanted to believe that there was a connection, but the CIA was sitting there, the FBI was sitting there, I was sitting there saying we've looked at this issue for years. For years we've looked and there's just no connection.'

Clarke says he and CIA Director George Tenet told that to Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, and Attorney General John Ashcroft.

Clarke then tells Stahl of being pressured by Mr. Bush.

'The president dragged me into a room with a couple of other people, shut the door, and said, 'I want you to find whether Iraq did this.' Now he never said, 'Make it up.' But the entire conversation left me in absolutely no doubt that George Bush wanted me to come back with a report that said Iraq did this.

'I said, 'Mr. President. We've done this before. We have been looking at this. We looked at it with an open mind. There's no connection.'

'He came back at me and said, 'Iraq! Saddam! Find out if there's a connection.' And in a very intimidating way. I mean that we should come back with that answer. We wrote a report.'"

But, when all else fails, and you lack that "smoking gun" that could turn into a "mushroom cloud," maybe you just start making stuff up. I am sure many of you follow Josh Marshall's Talking Points Memo blog. Over the last year or so, Mr. Marshall has been asking a question that seems so obviously interesting, one has to wonder why he seems to be one of the only journalists asking it.

We are all now familiar with the President's false statement in his 2003 State of the Union address that Iraq was seeking to buy Uranium from Niger. I trust that all of my readers know that, prior to this address, former Ambassador Joe Wilson was sent to Niger by the Central Intelligence Agency to investigate these claims and the documents purporting to offer support for this allegation. He reported back that he had found no basis for the claims. Shocked that the allegation had found its way into the most important speech a President can give, a speech that constitutes a President's assessment to Congress about the stability and security of the United States, Wilson went public about the falsity of the allegation.

In an effort to smear Wilson and intimidate and other prospective whistleblowers, high ranking Administration officials leaked, in violation of federal law, the name of Wilson's wife and the fact that she was a clandestine operative for the CIA. A grand jury has been impaneled to determine who the leaker or leakers are, and what legal actions should be taken against them. (One journalist is now saying that the leaker was Karl Rove.)

But, as Mr. Marshall has been asking, what about the documents that purported to prove that Iraq was seeking to purchase uranium from Niger, and were later proven to be obvious forgeries? Who forged them, and whose request and why? Mr. Marshall may be closer to the answer. This paragraph caught my eye this morning:

"I've gotten hints or suggestions from several sources over the last month that new information is bubbling to the surface, not about who leaked Valerie Plame's identity, but who was behind the underlying caper that started the whole drama afoot in the first place: those phoney Niger uranium documents."
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2005_06_26.php#005935

This is a very big story.
http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000161.htm

Fixing the Facts and Intelligence Around the Policy
How?
Talking Points Memo is Pursuing a New Aspect of the Story

How do the facts and intelligence get fixed around the policy, as the highest ranking British government officials have alleged the Bush Administration was doing to justify the Iraq war?

One way would be by having the Vice President hover over the shoulders of intelligence analysts. This paragraph caught my eye from a 2003 Washington Post article. Notice how close the wording of the last sentence is to the language in the Downing Street Minutes:

"Vice President Cheney and his most senior aide made multiple trips to the CIA over the past year to question analysts studying Iraq's weapons programs and alleged links to al Qaeda, creating an environment in which some analysts felt they were being pressured to make their assessments fit with the Bush administration's policy objectives, according to senior intelligence officials."

You could also pressure your top anti-terrorism expert to cook the books. This from 60 Minutes' Lesley Stahl:

"After the president returned to the White House on Sept. 11, he and his top advisers, including Clarke, began holding meetings about how to respond and retaliate. As Clarke writes in his book, he expected the administration to focus its military response on Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda. He says he was surprised that the talk quickly turned to Iraq.

'Rumsfeld was saying that we needed to bomb Iraq,' Clarke said to Stahl. 'And we all said ... no, no. Al-Qaeda is in Afghanistan. We need to bomb Afghanistan. And Rumsfeld said there aren't any good targets in Afghanistan. And there are lots of good targets in Iraq. I said, 'Well, there are lots of good targets in lots of places, but Iraq had nothing to do with it.

'Initially, I thought when he said, 'There aren't enough targets in-- in Afghanistan,' I thought he was joking.'

'I think they wanted to believe that there was a connection, but the CIA was sitting there, the FBI was sitting there, I was sitting there saying we've looked at this issue for years. For years we've looked and there's just no connection.'

Clarke says he and CIA Director George Tenet told that to Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, and Attorney General John Ashcroft.

Clarke then tells Stahl of being pressured by Mr. Bush.

'The president dragged me into a room with a couple of other people, shut the door, and said, 'I want you to find whether Iraq did this.' Now he never said, 'Make it up.' But the entire conversation left me in absolutely no doubt that George Bush wanted me to come back with a report that said Iraq did this.

'I said, 'Mr. President. We've done this before. We have been looking at this. We looked at it with an open mind. There's no connection.'

'He came back at me and said, 'Iraq! Saddam! Find out if there's a connection.' And in a very intimidating way. I mean that we should come back with that answer. We wrote a report.'"

But, when all else fails, and you lack that "smoking gun" that could turn into a "mushroom cloud," maybe you just start making stuff up. I am sure many of you follow Josh Marshall's Talking Points Memo blog. Over the last year or so, Mr. Marshall has been asking a question that seems so obviously interesting, one has to wonder why he seems to be one of the only journalists asking it.

We are all now familiar with the President's false statement in his 2003 State of the Union address that Iraq was seeking to buy Uranium from Niger. I trust that all of my readers know that, prior to this address, former Ambassador Joe Wilson was sent to Niger by the Central Intelligence Agency to investigate these claims and the documents purporting to offer support for this allegation. He reported back that he had found no basis for the claims. Shocked that the allegation had found its way into the most important speech a President can give, a speech that constitutes a President's assessment to Congress about the stability and security of the United States, Wilson went public about the falsity of the allegation.

In an effort to smear Wilson and intimidate and other prospective whistleblowers, high ranking Administration officials leaked, in violation of federal law, the name of Wilson's wife and the fact that she was a clandestine operative for the CIA. A grand jury has been impaneled to determine who the leaker or leakers are, and what legal actions should be taken against them. (One journalist is now saying that the leaker was Karl Rove.)

But, as Mr. Marshall has been asking, what about the documents that purported to prove that Iraq was seeking to purchase uranium from Niger, and were later proven to be obvious forgeries? Who forged them, and whose request and why? Mr. Marshall may be closer to the answer. This paragraph caught my eye this morning:

"I've gotten hints or suggestions from several sources over the last month that new information is bubbling to the surface, not about who leaked Valerie Plame's identity, but who was behind the underlying caper that started the whole drama afoot in the first place: those phoney Niger uranium documents."
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2005_06_26.php#005935

This is a very big story.
http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000161.htm

Plame Grand Jury Wants Records for Air Force One Phone Calls

By E&P Staff

Published: July 02, 2005 2:35 PM ET
NEW YORK Adding to the growing intrigue in the Plame case, the grand jury investigating the leak of the covert CIA operative's name subpoenaed has a wide range of White House documents, including records of telephone calls from Air Force One and information relating to an internal working group dealing with Iraq, government sources confirmed to CNN on Friday.

"We are complying fully with the request from the Department of Justice," White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters Friday.

Government sources told CNN the federal grand jury was seeking any information about contacts between White House officials and more than two dozen reporters. The grand jury also asked for a transcript of a briefing by former White House spokesman Ari Fleischer.

The subpoenaed information regarding telephone calls to and from Air Force One, sources said, covered July 7-12, while the president was on a trip to Africa. The requested transcript was from a briefing during that trip as well.

Newsday reported that two of the subpoenas dealt mostly with requests for information before and after the publication of Robert Novak's fateful July 14 column, which outed Plame.

Many of the documents subpoenaed Friday relate to the White House Iraq Group, a little-known task force. Newsweek reported that the group was created in August 2002.
The Newsweek report cites an earlier Washington Post article that lists senior political adviser Karl Rove, Bush advisers Karen Hughes and Mary Matalin, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice and Vice President Dick Cheney among the group's members.

The grand jury, which met again Friday, has heard from at least four current or former White House officials. Much of its work recently has also reportedly been to pore over many documents relating to the case.

E&P Staff (letters@editorandpublisher.com)

Links referenced within this article

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000972843

Pat C....thanks for all your good posts, too....and here I am going to disagree with Sally on the business of the comet core examination. I love science, and I think this is an excellent way of determining what makes up a comet, which is what they are trying to discern in the first place (and hey, possibly the origins of life on earth, also...or not)! If, down the line, NASA will be able to redirect asteroids and comets from hitting earth, that will be a sideline....it isn't the purpose of this exploration. The SF Chronicle ran a good article on this.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/07/02/MNGLADIAC31.DTL
Pasadena -- The pioneering spacecraft called Deep Impact sped smoothly toward its distant cometary target at a million miles a day Friday, as scientists hoping to blast a crater in the comet's surface and analyze its long-frozen insides for the first time in history speculated about what they would find.

To follow the NASA mission, go to www.nasa.gov/deepimpact.

Newsweek (now):
"Initially, Fitzgerald's focus was on Novak's sourcing, since Novak was the first to out Plame. But according to Luskin, Rove's lawyer, Rove spoke to Cooper three or four days before Novak's column appeared. Luskin told NEWSWEEK that Rove "never knowingly disclosed classified information" and that "he did not tell any reporter that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA." Luskin declined, however, to discuss any other details. He did say that Rove himself had testified before the grand jury "two or three times" and signed a waiver authorizing reporters to testify about their conversations with him."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8445696/site/newsweek
YOU WILL WANT TO READ THIS. HOT OFF THE PRESSES.

(((((((((((((((((((((It's Guido Time))))))))))))))))))))))

hi teresa, bhakti, sally, shylurker, etc. etc.

all Guido cares about is himself. so, here is his timeline analysis on Rove at risk (from a post upthread, not too far)

"T.1 Rove leaks Plame to Time reporter Cooper who makes notes.
T.2 Novak publishes Plame leak
T.3 FBI for prosecutor Fitzgerald interviews Rove who says, yeah, i spread the story but only after i read it in Novak
T.4 Prosecutor Fitzgerald finds about T.1 and tries to get the notes. He knows they're there and Rove is toast. He just waits it out knowing the Supremes will give him the notes."

This Newsweek passage answers the question posed last night: ROVE SPOKE TO TIME REPORTER COOPER BEFORE NOVAK PUBLISHED THE PLAME LEAK. COOPERS NOTES CONFIRM A PLAME LEAK. FITZGERALD WAS WAITING PATIENTLY TO GET THE NOTES SO HE COULD SCREW ROVE, A BIG CATCH.

as Howard Dean would say, YEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

It's party time!

Happy 4th of July...and don't for get, my upcomming birthday on 7/28

The Rove Factor?
Time magazine talked to Bush's guru for Plame story.

By Michael Isikoff
Newsweek

July 11 issue - Its legal appeals exhausted, Time magazine agreed last week to turn over reporter Matthew Cooper's e-mails and computer notes to a special prosecutor investigating the leak of an undercover CIA agent's identity. The case has been the subject of press controversy for two years. Saying "we are not above the law," Time Inc. Editor in Chief Norman Pearlstine decided to comply with a grand-jury subpoena to turn over documents related to the leak. But Cooper (and a New York Times reporter, Judith Miller) is still refusing to testify and faces jail this week.

At issue is the story of a CIA-sponsored trip taken by former ambassador (and White House critic) Joseph Wilson to investigate reports that Iraq was seeking to buy uranium from the African country of Niger. "Some government officials have noted to Time in interviews... that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, is a CIA official who monitors the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction," said Cooper's July 2003 Time online article.

Now the story may be about to take another turn. The e-mails surrendered by Time Inc., which are largely between Cooper and his editors, show that one of Cooper's sources was White House deputy chief of staff Karl Rove, according to two lawyers who asked not to be identified because they are representing witnesses sympathetic to the White House. Cooper and a Time spokeswoman declined to comment. But in an interview with NEWSWEEK, Rove's lawyer, Robert Luskin, confirmed that Rove had been interviewed by Cooper for the article. It is unclear, however, what passed between Cooper and Rove.

More...

URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8445696/site/newsweek/

I think the surprise element of the O'Connor announcement is a portent for more surprises to come. And that the Schiavo nightmare set the stage for some serious consideration. I think the message got through then with Bush's 11th hour entrance that this administration is way out there.

I also am beginning to think that it was a cosmic gift ... the DSM. As Jonathan told us, he ran across some ordinary people on the street who repeated it to him. There is almost a musical lilt to the phrase and I think people are going to latch on to it.

The Valerie Plame thing is part of this. And it has been percolating for a long time. It hasn't gotten weaker, but only waited for the right time.

As the court battle rages on, the DSM can do it's work undercover and, who knows? There are a lot of pieces of the puzzle being put together now, so it seems.

Not to forget that Jupiter will be transiting our USA Saturn in Libra in the 10th house during this Supreme Court process. Perhaps the balance will be maintained.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8405105/site/newsweek/#survey

"No" is at 84%. Maybe there are enough of us to crank it up a notch.

Rove in the docket what a fine present that would make for the USA's birthday.

Claudia's article on the "tipping point to come" at this summer solstice is worth a re-read.~

"That which is born in hubris ends in failure. Hence, it may be that the Goddess Nemesis is stirring herself awake. For Asteroid watchers: Nemesis is currently at 5 degrees Cancer -- conjunct the USA's conquering "manifest destiny" Jupiter and "gimme bling-bling" Venus. For Karl Rove watchers, Nemesis is already opposing his progressed "I'm a radical reformer" Uranus and is creeping ever closer to oppose his natal Uranus. Nemesis demands an accounting for arrogance. Uranus is that proverbial reversal of fortune. Rove's Capricorn Sun (3 degrees of the sign) was sorely impacted by the Cancer Solstice and Full Moon of June 20-21, 2005. So was his Chiron at 0 Capricorn. Right there in what we call "solsticial degree." This points to a profound wounding of and to power and authority. Bush (through his political advisor/orchestrator Karl Rove) staked his second term and his legacy on Iraq; "I'm a war time president." What then, will his "legacy" be as Mars by transit retrogrades this year for over two months commencing October 1?"

http://starcats.com/toc.html

What awesome astrologers grace these pages.
I am humble before you.

Multiple hits and more to come. jm are you and Jo mixing those cosmic coctails?

Rove in the docket what a fine present that would make for the USA's birthday.

Claudia's article on the "tipping point to come" at this summer solstice is worth a re-read.~

"That which is born in hubris ends in failure. Hence, it may be that the Goddess Nemesis is stirring herself awake. For Asteroid watchers: Nemesis is currently at 5 degrees Cancer -- conjunct the USA's conquering "manifest destiny" Jupiter and "gimme bling-bling" Venus. For Karl Rove watchers, Nemesis is already opposing his progressed "I'm a radical reformer" Uranus and is creeping ever closer to oppose his natal Uranus. Nemesis demands an accounting for arrogance. Uranus is that proverbial reversal of fortune. Rove's Capricorn Sun (3 degrees of the sign) was sorely impacted by the Cancer Solstice and Full Moon of June 20-21, 2005. So was his Chiron at 0 Capricorn. Right there in what we call "solsticial degree." This points to a profound wounding of and to power and authority. Bush (through his political advisor/orchestrator Karl Rove) staked his second term and his legacy on Iraq; "I'm a war time president." What then, will his "legacy" be as Mars by transit retrogrades this year for over two months commencing October 1?"

http://starcats.com/toc.html

What awesome astrologers grace these pages.
I am humble before you.

Multiple hits and more to come. jm are you and Jo mixing those cosmic coctails?

Well....so much is happening today....jm....I think you are right, these are each chapters in the story ....
and this was on RawStory:
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Arnold to Bush: 'Debate is over'
GOP gov. slams Bush position on climate change while Blair snubs ally.

Thieves plunder OH Democratic HQ
As Ohio GOP faces more scandas news, Dem. Chair's computer is stolen.
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The mill is churning.

I was listening to RFK,Jr. on Ring of Fire (air America) this afternoon, and a caller asked why the media was so lame, and he and his partner (Tom?) both chimed in....but RFJ supplied the best info....in 1988 Ronnie R. trashed the Fairness Doctrine which said that the news orgs HAD to report the news. No longer...and RFK said that the news orgs NEVER wanted to report the news in the first place, because it cost them money. Then he said that PBS has had a bigger rating than all the cable networks combined (and added that with Tomlison in place, that is changing) and then he said that because the news orgs are now entertainment media, we have the dumbest and most entertained populace on earth. Keep 'em dumb, and then rape and pillage is what it adds up to.

Plus he interviewed Daphne Zuniga on mercury poisoning, which blew me away.....I have a great many of these symptoms! I am going to research this carefully now!

Again, I have only Jupiter at 26 Cancer in the cardinal signs, but Saturn has done a hell of a job.

Rove in the docket what a fine present that would make for the USA's birthday.

Claudia's article on the "tipping point to come" at this summer solstice is worth a re-read.

"That which is born in hubris ends in failure. Hence, it may be that the Goddess Nemesis is stirring herself awake. For Asteroid watchers: Nemesis is currently at 5 degrees Cancer -- conjunct the USA's conquering "manifest destiny" Jupiter and "gimme bling-bling" Venus. For Karl Rove watchers, Nemesis is already opposing his progressed "I'm a radical reformer" Uranus and is creeping ever closer to oppose his natal Uranus. Nemesis demands an accounting for arrogance. Uranus is that proverbial reversal of fortune. Rove's Capricorn Sun (3 degrees of the sign) was sorely impacted by the Cancer Solstice and Full Moon of June 20-21, 2005. So was his Chiron at 0 Capricorn. Right there in what we call "solsticial degree." This points to a profound wounding of and to power and authority. Bush (through his political advisor/orchestrator Karl Rove) staked his second term and his legacy on Iraq; "I'm a war time president." What then, will his "legacy" be as Mars by transit retrogrades this year for over two months commencing October 1?"

http://starcats.com/toc.html

What awesome astrologers grace these pages.
I am humble before you.

Multiple hits and more to come. jm are you and Jo mixing those cosmic coctails?

this is the url for mercury contamination which was linked to Air America's Ring of Fire program notes for Zuniga...http://www.nrdc.org/health/effects/mercury/index.asp
You can calculate your mercury exposure, etc.

shylurker,
All and everyone were worried about you, where have you been? We also missed getting the direct link to those msnbc polls to smear that smirk every time we can. Glad you're back.

sorry for my multiple posts as well

PS....when you all get that screen message, don't post again! instead, go back to the home page and then return to see if it is posted....it always is. But it will stop the double and triple postings .........

Another part of one of those chapters in this story developing:

In Oakland, CA....the city council evicted 2 businesses from their places (auto repair) to make way for a 1,200 unit building called the Uptown Project....the used the eminent domaine ruling and evicted them ....went in, packed their stuff in a moving van, and evicted one of them from the location which his family had owned since 1949. The other fellow is a chinese immigrant...it is all they have. And they didn't get a fair price, according to them....as the area has skyrocketed and they can't afford to relocate.

and so it goes....Oakland will lose federal funds if the Congress passes the eminent domaine abuse law.

Here's the story on the Ohio breakin....this is so freakin freaky...or as Yogi Berra said, it is deja vu all over again...
Article published Saturday, July 2, 2005

Ohio Democrats victims of break-in
Thieves grab computer from party headquaters in Columbus

By STEVE EDER and JAMES DREW
BLADE STAFF WRITERS

COLUMBUS — Thieves targeted the Ohio Democratic Party Headquarters this week, stealing a computer and a high-tech communications gadget belonging to party chairman Denny White.
Police said yesterday one or more burglars appeared to have climbed a wall Monday and crawled through an unlocked second-story window overnight at the party headquarters about three blocks from the Statehouse.
The break-in occurs at a time when the Ohio Republican Party is threatened by one of the largest scandals to hit the state’s government in decades.
Some Democrats also say the break-in is eerily similar to a burglary at the Lucas County Democratic Party Headquarters last fall, in which three computers were stolen.
Police, though, said it is unclear if the theft had anything to do with politics, or the investigations into investments at the Ohio Bureau of Workers’ Compensation.
“Until we find the person, there’s no way of knowing that,” said Sherry Mercurio, a police spokesman, who said investigators lifted fingerprints at the scene.
Yesterday, posters celebrating John Glenn’s accomplishments still hung on the walls of the headquarters, a portable stereo sat on a desk, and a few Sony Vaio desktop computers with flat panel monitors remained untouched.
The items belonging to Mr. White were a Dell computer valued at $800, a flat-screen monitor valued at $250, and a $250 BlackBerry communications device.
The break-in occurred a week after the Ohio Democratic Party began airing a 30-second TV ad that links Republican office-holders with the state’s failed $50 million rare-coin investment with Tom Noe.
Lawyers for Mr. Noe, a Republican fund-raiser, have told authorities that about $13 million in assets are missing from the coin fund.

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