Sally....for want of the nail the shoe was lost, for want of the shoe, the horse was lost....and up it goes....thanks for posting that affirmation that Pluto does good work.

I remember it all very well also, but not the break in....the Saturday Night massacres, etc....July in Phoenix, we all sat inside with our mouths hanging open, not only for the drama happening in DC, but in Phoenix, where reporters were being blown up by bombs planted under the seats of their cars....I can't really recount all that because it was too awful.....but we were all aware that something extraordinary was going on (I wasn't doing much astro stuff then).

Great article Sally!!! It just sucks that Bush won't get impeached and Bolton will go to the UN. Ah nuts!!!

Well, let's see if the DSM will get out and cause a ton of havoc on Bush & Company. I heard both are intertwined, but let's see if that is indeed the case.

Whether Bolton gets nominate or not, it will screw Bush majorly either way. That is something I can look foward to, as well as everyone here.

And remember, Iraq is on the brink of an all-out civil war. If that happens, Bush is screwed as we know if. That plus the Downing Street Memo "could" get calls for impeachment of President Bush, but it is too early to tell right now.

Stay tuned, its going to be one hell of a roller coaster ride!!!

Damn, Judi Gemini beat me to the punch for getting the first post up for this article!!! =)

Touche, Judi!!! =D

I am going to be gone from late this afternoon and all day tomorrow so I won't be able to answer any questions. I do want to say however, not to forget that the power is and always has been in the people as a collective whole. Remember the 100th monkey theory at some point in time, positive collective energy will make the shift. And now is the time to focus on passions not on what they are doing but what we are doing. Spend our energy on books that honestly make us think, spend research time on finding organizations in education, politics, libraries, human rights, etc. and share that information with others.

Lord, it's getting so I hardly write something before it happens, Joe Biden said today that Bolton would probably be sent to the UN.

Neerav....posting first was just a happy accident...and the only thing today which has been good! I have somekind of digestive attack (getting passed around the family), and my daughter just called and said her car is dead as a doornail, and we have SO much to do for an event taking place for a charity tomorrow in SF....is this Pluto Uranus or what? Judi

Burn damn you burn!!!!

Republican John Thune are thinking of voting against Bolton on Tuesady in protest to the base closings. Other Republicans are voting against Bush's nominee for otehr reasons, probably some against Bush's policies. It a mutiny within the Republican Party. Hurray!!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158465,00.html

Of course, he could still get the nomination, unfortunately.

It's funny...too bad Biden and Edwards didn't hear the attack by Limbaugh who said the same thing about Dems ('they don't work anyway") ....

Democrats Criticize Dean Attacks on GOP

49 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Democrats Joseph Biden and John Edwards are criticizing party chairman Howard Dean, saying his rhetorical attacks

Dean has said Republicans never made an honest living in their lives and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay ought to go back to Houston where he can serve his jail sentence. DeLay has not been accused of any crime.

Dean "doesn't speak for me with that kind of rhetoric and I don't think he speaks for the majority of Democrats," Biden, the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said Sunday on ABC's "This Week."

While discussing the hardship of working Americans standing in long lines to vote, Dean said Thursday, "Republicans, I guess, can do that because a lot of them have never made an honest living in their lives." Dean said later his comments did not refer to hard-working Americans, but rather to the failure of Republican leadership to address working-class concerns.

Responding to Dean's initial remark, Edwards said Dean "is not the spokesman for the party."

Dean is "a voice. I don't agree with it," Edwards, a former senator and the Democrats' vice presidential nominee in 2004, said Saturday at a party fundraising dinner in Nashville, Tenn.

Democratic Party spokeswoman Karen Finney said Sunday, "At times we may have disagreements in our party, just as Republicans have disagreements, but as Democrats we are unified in our efforts to get our country back on track."

Asked about Dean's remark about Republicans and honest living, GOP chairman Ken Mehlman told NBC's "Meet the Press": "I'm not sure the best way to win support in the red states is to insult the folks who live there. I think that a better approach might be to talk about the issues you're for."

Thank you, Sally, for my latest AstroWorld article fix. Wonderfully written and ridiculously informative, I will look forward to reading this one again and again.

As for Bolton at the U.N., I say let him go there and make an ass out of himself. As he pisses off more and more people (eg. countries), they'll begin to turn more away from Bush and perhaps the Global Big Wigs will begin to see that Bush and "his" policies really ARE ruining the World. Maybe then They'll "get him out".

Nice to have implausible fantasies, ain't it? :-)

I agree with Johnathan. The more makes an ass of himself in the UN, the worse off Bush and Company will look both to the American peopel and the world.

Cheers to Bolton making an ass of himself!!!

I think I might be developing an immunity to the swirling sickening emotions around these people. It really is ludicrous. Their predictability.

Who is Bolton, anyway? Aren't we elevating him to mythic proportions? He will come and go and probably not effect the universe in any measurable way.

I am returning slowly to my belief that we are no closer to major disaster or fascist domination than we ever were. It's always going on. This age old struggle. The illusion of elite control is equal to the illusion of our slavery. At least we are not in leg irons at the moment.

The elite always rise and fall. They are subject to the same power struggles and infighting as everyone. And they are too visible. It's the unseen, I believe, that has the most power.
It's like disease. Once it's syptomatic we can deal with it and experiment with cures. It's before it becomes manifest from the hidden source that we are powerless.

The other side of Neptune is part of this... dreams of paradise, the fairy tales, immeasurable beauty. As Uranus transits Neptune, we have access to these things. And Saturn in Leo opposing Neptune will give us a chance to manifest these visions. They are a great antidote to this sorry human behavior.

We have so many options.

I mean, of course, Uranus transiting Pisces.

No matter how much power you attribute to humans, they remain infinitessimal specks in the universe. They are much more manipulated by forces than in control of them. All humans. It is our confused perception of their power that influences us. We hook our fear onto them and hope erroneously that their downfall will magically bring us confidence.

Political leaders are created from the germ plasm of societies to fulfill some desire or need. If we find out why we, the people of this country, have created this government, albeit not consciously or willingly, we will come closer to the source of its removal and closer to confidence and trust in ourselves.

If there is one thing I've learned from Astrology is "it's always about ME." No matter who "me" is. I've had people say "but that's not true, I always think and do for other people first" when I ask why, the answer is "because it makes 'me' feel good." It is always about ME. These people are absolutely no different and the balance of power is on their side now, 50 years ago the balance of power was on FDR's side and they were screaming as loudly as we, only they didn't have the internet. They are playing their own little games and if you aren't in Iraq, or Africa one can laugh at them.

While we are looking at what they are doing, we are giving them power, I want to start looking at what I am doing, when they get in the face of enough of us, we will do something big. Like we did during Vietnam because of the draft. I can guarantee you that they, who have the money and power given to them by their families who have had the money and power forever, are fighting and grabbing amoung themselves. Ho hum and the beat goes on. Maybe they will finance a revolution here like they did in Russia, but one thing is for sure, they are no more to be feared than they have always been. It's not worse than 30 years ago, it's just intensified with the internet and having them come up on the screen. Just keep buying blue, look at the problems Wal-mart is having through their money/power grab, the same can be said for the US. We give them power, let's just take it away.

HERE IS SOMETHING DIRECTIVE AND POSITIVE TO DO, READ THE POST FROM THIS FELLOW ON DU AND THEN GO TO THE LINKS AND SIGN THE PETITIONS OH YES, THE COLLECTIVE CAN GET THIS ON A ROLL.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x375300

Well....I've had enough for a while.

The other day I awoke from an interesting dream where I got the sense that the Military had taken over and ousted The Leaders and the Ameican People were beside themselves with joy. We were absolutely ecstatic about this because nothing else (voting, elections, scandals, etc.) had worked! And the military was planning for a return to a True Democratic Society in the States.

Ordinarily, military rule would strike fear in my heart. But, in awakening from this dream, I was overjoyed that the nightmare was over.

Kinda weird, but then my dreams have been very, VERY weird these days. And most of them take place in classrooms! Hmmmmmmmm ... at least I'm not in a corner with a pointed paper hat on in any of them. :-)

Nice drean Jonathan.

There is some cosmic humor in this, Sally. I've always thought that the gods were highly amused by our behavior. And Good God, thanks for reminding me. I am not in Iraq or Africa. Or mississippi.

Nothing really wrong with Mississippi. Just too many bugs fo me. Cockroaches as big as my Daddy's cigar!

Ahhhhh Sally, the one word is love... i'm relaxing with you, reading your wise words and thoughtful analysis, such pleasure you bring me. That you find astrological transits to back your comments strengthens my own view of how things are unfolding which is very similar to yours.

jm, your thoughts also resonate...i find it interesting that so many who have been hidden are being now revealed. I don't know if you noticed Judi Gemini's post last thread that only 3% of our DNA is active coding DNA. The other 97% has (as yet) unknown function. This matches the nature of the universe in which a similar tiny percentage is light and the rest is dark matter. The creative active illuminating which brings things into being is very small.

Tseka, That DNA figure is fascinating. Doesn't it correspond to the amount of brain capacity we are using? I imagine as we develop and use more of our brains, we will perceive more of the dark matter. And understand the function of that DNA. You, if anyone, should know about unseen forces after what you experienced with your cancer cure.

Jonathon perhaps not such an odd dream, an aquaintance who is in SPAWARS (naval R & D) where all the geniuses are these days told me that his base (a weapons testing center) were all Deaniacs true believers- they hold the constitution close and are not at all happy with the hijacking of america.

jm actually i think of cancer as generic, it is aways within us and it is like that 97% of inactive coding- sometimes it makes itself known and overtakes us.

I think it's been determined that we use 10 percent of our brains, however I agree that the potential is there of activating some additional DNA strands through our own creative efforts. I wonder how many DNA samples and from whom they took to come up with that percentage.

Jonathan, I actually had a similar dream last night. I didn't awaken and feel it to be real, none the less, it was very much like yours.

What an article Sally! Now if I can get and stay
even remotely grounded during these coming months
of chaos.

Jonathan, What if the UN said "You sent that Bully
Bolton, and we're moving!" I'd like to see them move
to Ireland or Austrailia to spite the USA. [They'd
probably enjoy the change.]

Oops sorry Jonathan didn't mean to mangle your name

Sally your comment on the money people in Brussels deciding when or if the visible players fall on their swords....i've been watching the mad rush to China, the middle class emerging there, not to mention the most fierce army in to world to back it all up all looks familiar...i'm thinking that the US has run its course as Europe did when it's power ended with WW11, that the whole euro play was just a run on the US dollar as the leading monetary unit.

For the past few years i have been asking who is in my circle, buying and supporting directly from those who share my desire for community. Remember that bumper sticker all politics is local?

Sally -the results came from the Human Genome project. And you are correct that genes can be stimulated to move. Barbara McKlintock has done some fascinating research in that area...

Jonathan,

Actually, the military symbolism in your dream is interesting. Maybe it represents order and discipline in this chaotic and confusing situation. Do you remember seeing any guns or other weapons?
And the classroom factor. It points to things being a learning experience, which I always believe.
I used to love that game, Chutes and Ladders. I think each experience is a bridge to something else and not something out to hurt us in and of itself. Sometimes we appear to be climbing toward a summit, and sometimes falling back down, but we keep going on to some destination.

I think we greatly underestimate our creative strength. Isn't that what DNA is? A source of creation. That 97%, if true, must be waiting to be activated. Maybe we could devise some sort of experiment here to focus on this potential.

jm DNA is really just memory, an organizing principle of the cell, most call it a blueprint and claim it is inviolate that who we are is determined by it...i happen to not be in complete agreement with most...

In my mind we are the last moment in a long line of ancestors i like to think that the 97% "inactive" is in fact our shared collective and by this i do not limit to human but to entire cosmos. There is a story pervasive to the NW coast indians that says in the 'time out of time' we were all in one harmony, man fell out of this and simply does not remember the language any more but the ember is still alive within...

In other words we only recognize ourselves as the tiny 3% of who we are- the body we wear not the complete self who is all...tantric self.

On the DNA notes....the idea that junk DNA is wrongly coded was what fascin ated me....saying that whoever coded our dna did a hurried job and then got out....wrong coding is what has cancer crop up in those whose coding carries some of the bad coding. It seems amazing to me that we live in what is becoming a form of the end times, that we are solving mysteries of man in space and in the body, and the body's coding of DNA is not unsimilar to C coding on computers, and we are all hanging out on the net finding people we are resonating with! Something is up for sure...

I had a thought today (before I read Jonathan's dream) that all the military power moving into the south (and the gov of Missouri wanting to fly the confed. flag) signals another civil war....with the military firmly planted in the south.

I keep trying to read PNAC and getting sidetracked....I wish someone would read it and report back...how far does the project for the new american century go?

I shoulda been a scientist rather than an artist (I have the planetary placement of Saturn for that and I always liked science)....I would have been more atuned to that than to my artwork....it is true for some, but not for me, that you 'can have it all'....

science/philosophy and mystic mysteries....

It is possible that we are looking at the reverse and that all the genes on our DNA have slowly died leaving only 3 percent, that is if we are looking at the last of humanity.

Mars in the US chart goes retrograde in about a year, there will be a shift for the US at that time, Mars retrograde speaks of a lessened ego, lessened ambitions.

Years ago (and I didn't save the information) I read an ancient text stating where the balance of power would reside and in what ages, and China was up next as a world dominating power, it was their turn. At the time I read it we were within 40 years of that period of time and I couldn't see how it could happen so quickly, but I was much younger then, this was 25 years ago. Now I see it happening, Progressed Mars going retrograde will lessen our need to control the rest of the world starting about a year after the retrograde period is going, we either lessen that need or we've lost the power to be able to affect anything world wide and China is seemingly rising.

Before I head out to replace a dimming headlight on my aging van, I want to say this about the net communication:

I am fascinated with this direct mind to mind connection without the usual sensory input when we physically connect. It is bypassing a lot of processing and I think opening up new pathways in the brain. We make so many judgements based on the five senses, and these are deleted. Many prejudices don't apply. Plus it opens up the image making fantasy part of the brain as we imagine the physical manifestation of the souls we are connecting with.
They say that television has caused this picture making ability in children to atrophy. Perhaps it is being resurrected.

I totally agree, Sally. That's what I think is partly behind the destruction of our military in this war. Our inner strength is lost as well, which is what I think the Mars retro will be all about. I think we will have to rework our whole approach to agression and self defense. So this breakdown now is necessary. We have so much inner conflict to address. I think superpower status requires consolidated strength, and that, of course, we've lost.

Sally, it makes sense....and when we change our own attitudes towards the 'other' then we are able to adjust and cope....

Plus, Pluto just whacked our Mars really good, and we have some rebuilding to do.

Does it strike anyone as pretty appropriate that all of us have terrible financial problems, or at least have had in the past? Doesn't that stimulate a different view of life and others? I feel really diffident about the wealthy having problems of their own, as a wealthy friend told me. Not jealousy on my part, but just that pain in finding one's own center or truth seems to promote spiritual growth. Otherwise...why bother? LOL...

Sally wonderful article !

CNN polling Amnesty Intl v Bushco's go vote :

QUICKVOTE
Who do you think is being more accurate over the U.S. detention of terror suspects?
Amnesty International
The White House

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/05/amnesty.detainee/index.html

I think attaining material wealth is very disappointing which is why they keep trying to get more. Then they grasp at phony spirituality. The void is so stubborn. I don't envy them at all.

on other fronts in Europe: from the Scotsman

G8 protest chaos to spread to every Scottish city

PLANS to mobilise hundreds of thousands more protesters in every city in Scotland have been drawn up, spreading the risk of chaos during next month's G8 summit nationwide.

On the other hand, I have many friends who have more money than they'll ever need and their journey has been just as rough if not rougher than my own or those that I know in different financial situations. Even with all their money, they still struggle, they still yearn for something deeper and the journey to that place is not that different from "our" own. But, with all that money, they feel like they have to be "happy" all the time because, hey, isn't money supposed to bring happiness? Sometimes having money makes the journey to True Happiness a little more difficult to travel.

So, again, mass generalization isn't usually a good idea as there are usually many instances that disprove the point one is trying to prove. :-)

Sally thanks for your thoughts on the rise of China.
Mars retro this is a topic i'd like to hear more of, I hope all of you will share your insights.

Actually Mars retro looks good to me...all of my men have mars retro and they are strong, masculine, creative, very psychic and capable of deep love, they are not afaid of confontation nor are they whimpy looks like a nice model for the future to me! -And they are also aware of the feminine within themselves. Maybe we do win???

Tseka: There is a difference in the energy of one born with Mars Retrograde and Mars going retrograde by progression aspects to Mars also makes a difference and I will include that in another article.

I hate to leave this discussion but I must, just let me say this last thing. Progressed Mars retrograde will last through our lifetime. It stays progressed retrograde until 2085 then there will be another 20 or so years until it progresses forward to where it went retrograde, a failed destiny will become motered forward. When a planet first retrogrades by progression it's usually a fairly strange two or three years. More later, I am sorry I am soooooo late now. Will be back tomorrow night. Take care.

Thank you for another great article, Sally!

On the US Progressed Mars going direct in 2085 -- That's if the US in its current form manages to last that long. We still have our Pluto Return at 27 Capricorn coming up in 2022 and the Pluto(Capricorn)-Uranus(Aries) Square from 2012 to 2015. If we can't somehow dislodge and defeat the reigning corporatist/reactionary element within the next decade, with all of the problems we are about to face with energy and non-renewable resources, it's going to be a very bumpy ride downhill for America. I don't even think that a total breakdown is entirely out of the question for this country, especially while Pluto is moving through Capricorn. I believe that we could be forced at some point to return to states as nations and/or regional republics of some kind because of catastrophic shortages of fuel and breakdowns in the nation transport infrastruture.

Of course, far enough ahead into the future, but well before 2085, there is also the Pluto(Pisces)/Uranus(Virgo) opposition of 2046-48. We're not going to survive that one with the descendents of Bush-Cheney cronyism and corruption in charge.

To have a chance at surviving very much longer as a country, certain stubborn, reactionary elements in the US are simply going to have to get over themselves, grow up and face the reality that yes this is a very diverse world, and no, they cannot own and rule it all. Otherwise they must eventually and be swept away by the tides of change. Hopefully the beginning of this realization will come with Mars going Retrograde, influencing the weakening of US military power and authority. Maybe at some point people will also realize the futility of pumping the majority of our national budget into the Pentagon, rather than into mass-transit options, alternative energy and other things that might have been nice to have ready to go after 2008, when the energy and structure issues manifest themselves as crisises (Pluto in Capricorn).

Here's a history topic that is sure to come up 20 years from now -- George W. Bush, the President who presided over the destruction (mind you, not the dismantling) of the world's most elite, most technologically advanced military. You know there will be entire volumes written and even classes taught about this sorry period in American history.

Sally, wonderful article. You've covered a lot of ground! Thank you for mentioning my Nixon piece up at Starcats. I wrote it back in 2002 and was disappointed because it got zero feedback. But now we've reached the right time for the work to resonate. I guess I'd just gotten ahead of myself.

The Downing Street Memo lines up with Deep Throat's (W. Mark Felt) because the Saturns are conjunct: it's DT's 3rd Saturn return (16 Gemini). Woodward was having his 2nd Saturn Return (7 Gemini) in 2002. The way Woodward describes his relationship with Felt as one of father-mentor to him finds its generational link through their Saturn conjunction.

A year or so after the British Memo was released and Bush invaded Iraq, Woodwood released his book on the Bush White House. One can only hope that someone like Daniel Ellsberg will emerge and publish a tome on Iraq akin to "The Pentagon Papers." With growing discomfort over GITMO and Abu Ghraib (more photos/vidoes to come out by end of June), let's hope that this generation's Deep Throat is poised to act.

Another interesting tidbid is that the USA's progressed retrograde Mercury is conjunct the USA's natal Moon which sets off the Uranus inconjunction to the Memo Chart's Jupiter at 27 Cancer you mentioned. A lot is "pinging." I'm really stretching, but this is fun: what happens when T-Pluto reaches 28 Sag (January 30, 2007) and conjuncts Spiro T. Agnew's (Nixon's VEEP) and Richard Nixon's natal Mars? T-Pluto will oppose Kissingers natal Mars (27 Gemini) setting off the whole Watergate/Nixon resigns chart signature. For those who don't recall, Agnew was forced to resign as Nixon's VEEP because of bribery and income tax evasion charges. High crimes and misdemeanors (Article II Section 4 of U.S. Const.) Pluto cleans house, and by golly T-Pluto could well be posed to "strike" even before it hits 28 degrees Sag. A girl can hope.

Sally, hope you read this tomorrow, and I thought you were taking a break this weekend??? Some break, lol. This is a fantastic article. It freaks me out sometimes when you come up with something within a day or so of the very same things I've been thinking of. It happens alot. Then I get the amazing bonus of learning about it from an astrogical perspective. You are too cool, and your teachers were very lucky to have you for a student, you did them proud woman. None of this stuff going on surprises me, and I really loved this statement you made: "It’s important to continue to speak out but not be emotionally involved in the outcome". Every where everyone is sooooo upset, even on this board. And folks are stuck in this us vs. them mind frame. It's not until this goes away that we will have turned the corner. I commented on Kerry's impeachment move on the last thread, and you addressed it wonderfully here. Kerry is being trotted out to rev up more dissension, and to discredit the Downing Street Memo, and virtually annihilate the Dems. I imagine Howard Dean will get sucked into this too. People will absolutely tear each other and themselves apart. The elites have already decided to bring down Bush and hike oil over $100/ barrel. With the "new" Abu Ghraib pics.due to come out in a month, the 4th of July should be hotter than it's ever been. You mention the opulent space station, but you're not too far off- I've read it's Costa Rica, I think.
I'm not "feeling" the Hillary nomination, but I think Nancy Pelosi is going to take up a huge role here pretty quick. I see the Clinton's at the U.N. BTW, Cayce said China was next. I wish I knew what's gonna transpire in France 'cause my kid has paid her deposit and school starts in Sept. Maybe she'll have it better than all of us? (I'm makin' sure my son has his passport too just in case he gets sent to live with his sis.) Thanks for all your enlightening comments everyone about DNA. It's very interesting. P.S. to Jill, I spent 3 years ungrounded, totally in another world. Try walking, and be mindful of the "spiritual stuff" you're reading & studying.

Claudia deerheart you are a far-seeing one. i am so glad to see you here! I loved your watergate article. I read it long ago with many other of your articles and am truly impressed with your work. Starcats is wonderful. I am rather new to interacting with others in this medium. Let me apologize for not previously recognizing your work with my gratitude.

Pluto sweeping up would be grand. Pluto has been transiting many of my natal planets in sag the past few years - a bit like getting your eyes washed clean.

Re: bad weather.
I was watching the Weather Channel the other day and it was stated that the Atlantic's ocean temperature ( this gives the hurricanes their energy) was above normal and the shearing wind which inhibit hurricane formation was unusually light this time of year.

Re: Hillary
The media is talking up Hillary just like they talked down Dean because they knew that the American people were tired of the lies of this administration and wanted to hear the truth.

Re: bad weather.
I was watching the Weather Channel the other day and it was stated that the Atlantic's ocean temperature ( this gives the hurricanes their energy) was above normal and the shearing wind which inhibit hurricane formation was unusually light this time of year.

Re: Hillary
The media is talking up Hillary just like they talked down Dean because they knew that the American people were tired of the lies of this administration and wanted to hear the truth.

Dear Sally, Thanks so much for your wonderful 'big picture' perspective. You are the greatest!!

I read an interesting article in our local paper (via Reuters) this morning on DNA. It seems that researchers have sequenced the DNA of 2 extinct cave bears and will now use their method on neanderthals from around the same evolutionary time period. "Our real interest is in hominids, which include humans and the extinct Neanderthals, the only other hominid species that we have to compare with humans. Our nearest living relative is the chimp and that's 5 million years of divergence."

jm - your thoughts resonate with me as well.
tseka - I like your term "eyes washed." I've been getting 'washed' by pluto transiting my sag energies too POF, sun, venus, pallas, chiron; mercury yet to come. Oh boy. LOL

Sally,

Wonderful thought-provoking articles. Your comments about Corporate Fascism affirm what I have been sensing of late... that we are not seeing a 'new' phenomenon... we are simply 'seeing' it --- Lots to ponder and chew on in your words. Thank you for them. And thank you for providing this wonderful space. Lots of folks saying lots of things in just a few hours... where else would they have gone with that energy?!

Pat C.,

"Well....I've had enough for a while."

Me too! I'm reading and hugging the grands... spending more time with my Dad.

Tseka,

What a joyful addition you are to this board! JM is absolutely correct... there's such grace in your words! Please tell us more about White Raven.

Claudia,

You continue with your hardhitting comments... wonder piece on Watergate... and a joy to have you speak to us here! Please come more often and comment...

To all:

ran across the following in my 'paper trail' (You know Geminis... can't throw a piece away... sometimes they're worth the save, like this one from Anais Nin, Diary II...

"There is no progress of the personality like a pyramid converging to a point of perfection. Fulfillment is the completion of a circle. All aspects of the self have to be lived out, like the twelve houses of the Zodiac. A personality is one who has unrolled the ribbon, unfolded the petals, exposed all the layers. It does not matter where one begins; with instinct or wisdom, with nature or spirit. The fulfillment means the experience of all parts of the self, all the elements, all the planes. It means each cell of the body comes alive, awakened. It is a process of nature, and not of the ideal... All the errors are necessary, the stutterings, the blunders, the blindnesses. The end is to cover all the terrain, all the routes. No spaces to skip. Any skipping of a phase only retards the branchlike unfolding. Growth, expansion, plentitude of the potential self. To live only one aspect or one side of the personality is like using only one sense, and the others become atrophied. There is greatness only in fulfillment, in the fullness of awakening."

------

So, I'm working on 'unrolling the ribbon' --- thing is, I continue to get 'wrapped up in it' ---all tangled up we sometimes are!

JM, do you think you could rustle up another of those cosmic cocktails... the last one was great. Times like these --- Bolton, DeLay, Elites picking on Dean, Brussels, EU, Iraq --- times like these can drive a girl to drink... North Terrace okay with you? Sally's already got the steps going, one... two... three left...

Jo i love it that you have saved all these treasures to share with us. The Anais Nin quote is wonderful.
I also would like to leave a little kiss here for you to find -in gratitude for nearly a decade of work with people with AIDs!

I, like you lost many well beloved in a short time as pluto passed over my moon then a stellium in my 7th house, it seemed everyone i loved was swept away. Some were shocking and violent Pluto/ mars /uranus square uranus. I had not given consieration to the pluto aspect til you shared your history. My son was born once pluto moved into the 8th house after losing 8 previous pregnancies...pluto has taught me much about perserverance and surrender. Having been present at both births and deaths i find now the energy of the passage in and out is very much the same do you find it so also?

tseka,

How kind of you!

I have been giving much thought to 'process' these past few days. We buried my aunt yesterday... my father's youngest sister, and last of his siblings. I came home to treat the sunburn my youngest grand got while fishing with his granddad... (we decided he didn't need any more funerals and fishing would be good for all) It's all process, isn't it? I mean the 'self' doesn't even exist... life, the process, just moves our little stream of consciousness along... and it seems to me the 'in' and 'out' is the same

I believe it was Laurie who posted the following a few threads back --- it's beautiful and sums up how I have come to see it:

"I am standing upon the seashore. A ship at my side spreads her white sails to the morning breeze and starts for the blue ocean. She is an object of beauty and strength. I stand and watch her until at legnth she hangs like a speck of white cloud just where the sea and sky come to mingle with each other.

Then someone at my side says: "There, she is gone!"

"Gone where?"

Gone from my sight. That is all.

She is just as large in mast and hull and spar as she was when she left my side and she is just as able to bear her load of living freight to her destined port.

Her diminished size is in me, not in her. And just at the moment when someone at my side says: "There, she is gone!" there are other eyes watching her coming, and other voices ready to take up the glad shout: "HERE SHE COMES!"

And that is dying.

--Anonymous--

Printed in "Gone From My Sight: The Dying Experience" by Barbara Karnes (I believe she's a hospice nurse).

For whatever it's worth, this is quite interesting.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Diligence%2C_LLC

Jo, (& Laurie) thanks for sharing such beautiful words.
Very poignant as my father's 'life' is boats, and my life has been constantly surrounded by sailing vessels in all shapes and forms coming and going. What a grand analogy.

Jo,

By all means. My jigger is ready. I've enountered a bit of a financial crunch lately and I was even thinking about getting a bartending job. I could lay a few cosmic cocktails on this hapless general public.

I celebrate death. My first close encounter with it was with the dying man in a room alone. No one else was involved. I am always awe-struck by its magnificence. The release it brings to the dying and the renewal to the living. Especially when the life has been full. I also think the dying leave us with secrets if we are paying attention. It's a moment of truth. It's amazing how much poetry resonates with this profound experience. I think poetry is one of the highest forms of human expression. All of that longing.

That is amazing, Tseka. I lost everyone when Pluto transited my eighth, and now that is is on my powerful Sagittarius planets and hitting everything else in my chart, my eyes have literally gone wild... watering, some pain, and shimmering lights like I've never seen. It's like they have taken on a life of their own and a layer has been stripped off. The concept of an eye wash totally fits.

Tseka,

I forgot to mention the youngest grand was born while tPluto is moving in my IVth house. He is our resident 'buddha' --- "Grandma, when I was very young I believed in God and Jesus but I don't anymore. I turned myself around with evolution. Everything changes. I'm not a Christian, I'm an evolutionist. But you know what I think? I don't think we ever die. We just change... to spirit, to another level, and then to another level, and then on and on. What do you think Grandma?"

Lord Pluto taketh, and Lord Pluto giveth! Few days ago, when the call came that my aunt had passed... little buddha walked up, put his hand on my arm and said "You're having a rough day, aren't you? Things happen. It will be alright." (He's Nine, going on 3,000)

Namaste

(((JM)))

White light to you.

Just wanted to say that the establishment's primary power is the power of the lie. It is the power of the unconscious darkness of humanity, but that said power is an illusion and will collapse in on itself as soon as people decide to face their own and take back their rightful power. This question now lies before us. The expansion of consciousness is the unconscious becoming conscious and slowly freeing up individuals to seeing their own darkness. The darkness illuminates the light, the unknown illuminates the known, nonbeing defines being. We are not evil or good, we are deliverance. The question of corporate fascism and the latest exploitive philosophy of slavery presents us with the choice to take back our power from those that are still functioning at the level of the collective unconscious and are not conscious of their darkness. They (and we) then are seperate from who they really are- One Spirit evolving consciousness in darkness, resolving unknown into known. Instead, the unconscious darkness has become various forms of ignorance, evil, greed, lies, hate, and all the other forms of negativity with which we are familiar. Its only purpose is to disturb us into realizing that that is not what we are, freedom comes throught accepting what the darkness is telling us and understanding its riddle. It is a false self, a lie that exists only because we believe it, and we only believe it because we don't know who we are but have been programmed to live and give our power to something we are not. Our parents taught us, but they didnt know. It will be the children that will destroy the false dark in the end, the unconscious dark. The true dark is the power to destroy the false dark and it belongs to the children, which is all of us. The revolution is beginning. Keep to hope, it is beyond doubt and faith.

Embraces and white light are part of the antidote, Chris.
Thank you, Jo, my dear friend.

I believe there could be a whole lotta lovin' goin' on when Saturn transits Leo. We might regain some pride and self respect. It's Saturn, but I think it just means the love will be real and earned. At least for the lucky ones. It's going to trine that great lord Pluto so I see a glimmer of opportunity. I hope the deuces are wild.
I'm in.

sally, what a GREAT article. power packed, reality-based astrology. that's for your ad in the WSJ. another one to study. would you stop writing such deep stuff. how about the astrology of the new "batman"movie.

and claudia, thanks for confirming my little scenario i'v'e been selling: "I'm really stretching, but this is fun: what happens when T-Pluto reaches 28 Sag (January 30, 2007) and conjuncts Spiro T. Agnew's (Nixon's VEEP) and Richard Nixon's natal Mars? T-Pluto will oppose Kissingers natal Mars (27 Gemini) setting off the whole Watergate/Nixon resigns chart signature."

you're talking about the washington 2 step, nail the vp, put in the "acceptable" front man, and "resign" the president. two things will happen, guido tells me: 1) fitsgerald indicts someone very close to the dickster fording dicky cheney to resign and 2) they launch on delay just to show they're serious (indicted in Auston by DA earle).

maybe, the election fraud story blows open big time and we, the people, cancel out their little replacement for bush due to outrage against TWO stolen elections (that is my fondest hope).

peace out and remember "it's whatever"

Chris, I really, really enjoyed your post! I would personally love to see you post more often!

Sally, this site is hopping! Your latest is excellent work, I enjoyed so much.

Jo, I adore your little Buddha. How wise of him to pick you as a Grandma.

Love the warmth and light here. Thank you all.

"Nashville" redux...

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From Daykeeper Journal

MONDAY JUNE 6

New Moon at 17 Gemini occurs 5:55 p.m. EDT. We now set in motion our month of focus on communication, on making connections, on spreading information. We are in the Libra decanate of Gemini, and we will want our connections to be harmonious and diplomatic—unless they are grossly unfair. Then we will speak up for justice.

Moon’s closest aspect is a trine to spacey Neptune, planet of visions and illusions. All kinds of schemes will be flying through the ethers, many of them sounding better than they are on close examination. WARNING: There is almost no grounding in this chart. Plans created now may be far removed from correspondence with reality.

The first real earth connection comes in late July, when Mars enters Taurus. Mars will spend a whole 6 months in Taurus (instead of the usual six weeks in a sign); it obviously has a lot to review by then.

Gemini is an air sign. Air signs work with people, ideas, principles, and connections. They like to discuss, and to make plans. Libra is also an air sign (and Aquarius too), and Jupiter now making its direct station in Libra is very supported by this new moon. We have seen a preview this last week. Ideas abound now. Horizons widen. Opportunities for growth open up. Travel beckons—look for a busy summer tourist season. We’re opening to a good-feeling, adventurous time. It is also an inventive time, and many new ideas for improving life and the earth will flow into us.

With Chiron in Aquarius, healing is undergoing a renaissance. New inventions and new ideas regarding healing are also beginning to light our minds.

There has been much “hot air” since the Full Moon in Sagittarius two weeks ago, and it will expand during the next four weeks. Big ideas prevail, such as the U.S. Masters of Space program. This is, indeed, a time to think big, but for our ideas to be ultimately effective, reality checks are essential. A case in point is the submarine San Francisco which crashed into a mountain near Guam, due to a series of overoptimistic bloopers (New York Times, May 18, 2004).

In the chart set for Washington, both Pluto and Transpluto are prominent. This indicates that regeneration is in the cards for the U.S. government. New Moon in the 8th house also shows crisis, death, and rebirth. Most of the planets are in money houses, indicating that this positive feeling is about resources. However, we are still under the Jupiter-Uranus quincunx, as we were last month, which indicates overexpectations, followed by disillusion.

A Uranus-Vesta mundane square shows surprises in the investment sector.

New Moon is not until afternoon, which may make us feel tentative about this day. We are both completing and beginning cycles. If you have a clear view of the eastern horizon in the early morning, check it out just as the Sun is rising. You might have a graphic view of the very old moon imposing itself on the rising Sun, like a ghost ready to assume a new form.

The Sabian Symbol for 17 Gemini is

“THE HEAD OF A ROBUST YOUTH CHANGES INTO THAT OF A MATURE THINKER. The transformation of physical vitality into the power to build concepts and intellectual formulations through which knowledge can be transferred. We see the transformation of emotions into mind, instincts into thoughts—a process of MENTAL METAMORPHOSIS.”

Latin America, Russia, the Middle East, and the Far East are particularly stimulated now. Mars runs through Baghdad, Saudi Arabia, southern Japan, and Brazil.

God's been mugged!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5208954-103677,00.html

Amnesty Chief: US Kills Prisoners in Secret Jails
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/060605Z.shtml

New org with blog...After Downing Street...

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/

bolton WILL NOT make it to the UN in any form even if Biden makes some inane comments because
biden himself is all wishy washy and doesn't stand
for anything substantial eventhough he happens to be in the Democratic party. bolton problems extend
beyond Democrats into the cons/repugs of his own ilk; so it is HOPELESS for bolton.

smooch!

I thought you might be interested in this HSUS campaign to
protect horses from slaughter. We don't eat horsemeat but tens
of thousands of American horses are shipped under inhumane
conditions and suffer a terrible fate at one of three
foreign-owned slaughterhouses in the U.S. Former show horses,
thoroughbreds, ponies, foals, wild horses, pregnant mares from
the Premarin industry and any other kind of horse you can
imagine are put through this brutal process all so that their
meat can be shipped overseas to foreign markets for diners in
Europe and Asia.
We expect a vote to happen on the House floor on June 8 or 9
that could ban this terrible practice. Please ask your U.S.
Representative to vote YES on the Sweeney-Spratt Agriculture
Appropriations amendment to prevent tax dollars from being used
to allow horse slaughter. The vote is coming quickly so please
don't delay. Go to this link and take action now.
https://community.hsus.org/campaign/sweeney_amendment?rk=xd1np4p13z3rW

Flash: GOP swept from power in 2006. Impeachment
Looms....

http://www.crisispapers.org/essays-w/impeachment.htm

2012 olympic site to be announced on July 6.Odds
on favorite per the IOC as of today is Paris. London ruuning second and NYNY is running a distant third. Seems like close but no cigar for
NY what with all the rotten popularity in the world for the dimwit and his cronies of WHouse

Just want to check in and stay connected :-)

Jo & Laurie, I really like the poem and the idea of a boat or ship as a metphor for death. It is really perfect. And, Jo, you are so good at living and expressing the Zen/Tao way. I always hear the acceptance and the peace in your posts, even though the pain is also evident. (I think our pain must be honored and not avoided - this brings us closer to truth & wisdom - but it seems to be a human reflex to avoid.) Beloved ones are leaving but that makes what you have left especially precious & rich...your grandchildren, your Dad, and your connection with nature. Death really is a moment of truth. I was with my mom when she took her final breath. It was my decision to "pull the plug" and not take any more extraordinary measures. It was time for her to go -- there was no reason for her to go through any more treatment or procedures (there was a living will in place, as required by the nursing home). Death, like birth, truly is a moment of truth that helps pinpoint what's important.

I really get from all of the posters here that you are able to do that. That is why this board attracts me day and night.

Chris, I am guessing that you're an aficionado of Paul Levy's philosophy. He sure writes a great deal to express a few simple ideas. What I got out of his latest email was that Bush & Co. are absolutely ruled by their unconscious, which is why they are so unconscious!!!! Ironic, huh?

Mike, your scenario surely will come true because there is law and justice in the Universe.

It is pouring down rain, thunder and lighting here in New Orleans, for a few hours now, which means flooding. I wonder what the Gemini new moon will bring...with the moon shortly to oppose Pluto also. Many of our Gemini/Sag politicians have been in the news and I'm eager to hear about the Downing St. memo dialogue today. I thought Maya's Daykeeper journal was very pertinent. When she makes the comment that what is planned now will not come to pass -- I am wondering what that will refer. We will find out shortly. I especially like the 17 Gemini Sabian symbol as it bodes well:
“THE HEAD OF A ROBUST YOUTH CHANGES INTO THAT OF A MATURE THINKER. The transformation of physical vitality into the power to build concepts and intellectual formulations through which knowledge can be transferred. We see the transformation of emotions into mind, instincts into thoughts—a process of MENTAL METAMORPHOSIS.”

Thanks, Sally, for your fine analysis of these very crucial issues, and for making this place possible. I can wait until 2007 if it means seeing Downinggate & Election Fraudgate (or whatever it will be called by then)come to fruition.

Does anyone have any experience with tPluto opposing nSaturn (in my case, in the 4 h) or squaring nUranus (in the 6 h)? Also, with tUranus opposing nSaturn (again in the 4 h) and squaring nUranus (6 h)? After those aspects, Pluto will transit my 7 h, making no real aspects until it gets close to the end where it squares Neptune. Just comment if you care to.

Sharon....well thanks for posting the 17 Sabian symbol about the maturation process for my head (unfortunately, the body is maturing at the same time) as tomorrow is 17 Gemini (June 7) and it is my birthday....and whe Tr. Pluto hit 17th degree of Sagittarius, it opposed my natal Sun/Saturn....I got shingles!

Today I was assisting a golf tournament as a charity event ....my friends started it 20 years ago to benefit their own oldest son and others who are developmentally disabled. Victor was at the event, but is so fragil that he is ready to break again (2 weeks ago was back in the psyche ward, as he gets violent when disturbed. I mention this because at 42 on June 15, he is experiencing much tension and is terribly fragile. Victor is bright and caught in a body which is more damaged than his mind is....and normally he can handle stuff. But this opposition from Pluto to his sun combined with the Uranian square energy is really really causing havoc (for my friends, also....it is quite a painful experience. So those are my experiences of the aspects you asked about, Sharon....

(((Sharon)))

How brave you were... and what a dutiful daughter. To do what your mother wished. My cousin had to make that decision about her mom, my aunt, two weeks ago. Same wishes, same scenario. Still, it was difficult. Yes, we must honor the pain --- or we cannot experience the joy... we find ourselves all locked up, unfeeling.

You sound very reflective, almost soulful right now. tPluto square nSaturn can make one feel as if the weight of the world is on one's shoulders. Being in the 4th house it might make your inner house more needy... maybe this will be a time for reflection, processing? Control issues might be a focus, either your need or someone else's? Uranus? Unpredictable, of course. What we are all dealing with now. Remember I am simply a student, so others might take a different view.

Thanks for all your kind words. You remind me a great deal of my youngest sister... She's Aquarian. The family's ray of sunshine. Anyway, she's very 'universal' --- transpersonal? Namaste

thought you all would need a laugh about now:
BUSHES TO RULE U.S. UNTIL 2090
Former President Bush Unveils Dynastic Plans on ‘Larry King Live’

In an appearance on CNN’S “Larry King Live,” former President George H. W. Bush unveiled ambitious plans to extend the Bush dynasty in the White House, indicating that if all goes as planned the Bushes will rule the U.S. until 2090.
When asked if he hoped that his son, Florida Governor Jeb Bush, would run for president in 2008, the former president replied, “Yes, Larry, I think it’s the smart one’s turn.”
The former president added that plans for a Bush dynasty had been in the works for years, and that a wall-sized chart outlining the family’s plans to hold the White House for the better part of a century dominates the Bush family rec room at their Kennebunkport, Maine estate.
According to the former president, Gov. Bush’s eight years as president would be followed by another eight by First Lady Laura Bush, at which time, he said, “The stage would be set for Barb and Jenna.”
With the presidency of Jenna Bush wrapping up in the year 2040, he said, it would be time for “as-yet unimagined Bushes” to ascend to the nation’s highest office.
Presidential historian Davis Logden of the University of Minnesota said he sees advantages in such an unprecedented White House dynasty: “It could provide useful continuity to have a Bush in the White House in 2090, because we will most likely still be in Iraq.”
Elsewhere, in a sign of his improving health, former President Bill Clinton announced that he would join the search for America’s Next Top Model.
http://www.borowitzreport.com/archive_rpt.asp?rec=1146

Well Sharon,
1988:T pluto opposite my N uranus 12th house 17o taurus, just 4o from my N sun 13 Taurus, wasn't any fun! Poppy's recession was taking down all my possible wotk contacts, and the lawsuit that would take down my last patron, was in progress. When Pluto was exact @ 13 scorpio, my son totaled my leased Honda Civic. ( A blessing in disguise, really; he just suffered a broken nose and the insurance Co paid off the car, which would have been horribly expensive, since I exceeded the projected mileage and everyone in Phila. ran into that car and dented it!
( It was red!) And I found my diesel rabbit VW truck, which my son bought for me, and I drove until 2002. (It was a legand in several states being like the never emptying pitcher of Grimm Bros. fame!)
My freelance work started drying up, my property taxes kept going up, and the exact opposition to N uranus happened in Dec. 1989, and I know now that the lawsuit that was to take out my last patron, was working behind the scenes. I found out in May 1990, when he told me that the remaining $25,000. budsget for paintings wasn't an option, he was having to layoff employees of 20 years!
Just couldn't get ANYTHING else going neither renter for the house to save it, boarders, bartending job in Atlantic City!I caled the bartenders union, there was a 2 year wait list for jobs!
Pat C re: your article about Phila. people having their homes foreclosed..................That area was always the first to feel a recession and the last to pull out of it!!!!!!
SO I sold the house at a loss, bought a much lesser house in Maine & here I am still! Astrocartography, did a chart for me ( best place in the whole world) and picked a town 10 miles Northeast of where I am..............................( after the fact; I had already chosen this place!)
BUT; they got my ascendant wrong! (4o cancer)There is a peculiarity about DST in my birth location, that they failed to pick up, but Jacob Schwartz got it right! (20o gemini)
I was on a uranus latitude in NJ, the move seems to have ended the possibility of a sudden stroke of good fortune ( in the form of a job) or bad, which could be overcome!
Now its kind of flat line................
1992 pluto on my scorpio moon brought problems with my Mother, and a $3,000. portrait commission....my last decent job!
Still trying to put the pieces back together!
PQ

False Freedom is Very Expensive...

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9069.htm

Sally,
great article! much talk on death here.
i went to Italy and had the privilege of visiting
a dying man (94) which helped the following
week when i returned home to hear that
a 42 year old friend was in the hospital.
One look at this friend, and I KNEW, he was dying too. What a strange and scary part of life death is. My husband sat with him until he died, and
was touched by the experience. It was awful and
beautiful, and he did die peacefully, albeit
he went a lot faster than we expected.
I hope someone here tells us what the Brussels
banks are going to do.
Most of us are descended from people 2 or 3 generations ago that had nothing. WE can do
without a lot that we have and still have quality
of life. Yes, I am in a strange mood. Funeral on friday.
mimi

Jonathon,

About your dream. I was just talking to some astrolger friends of mine, and in 2017, US has a Pluto return. But before that we have a Pluto squared Uranus in 2013 with Pluto in Capricorn(governmental structure being controlling) with Uranus in Aries.

Doesn't something of that nature fit your dream? Aries=military. Capricorn=the revolutionary power of pluto dissolving the governmental strucuters. This is the Sag rising chart with Pluto in the second.

I think the economy will be so bad that it will cause such hardship that people will suffer and call for violent change against the hierarchy.

Just funny that you mention this dream since we where just talking about this.

Pluto returns are "make or break" time in the history of a country. I know the Pluto squared Uranus is a hard aspect, the Uranus will probably keep the US from falling into the deep abyss of fanaticism. I think the complaint by foreigners that we have no history is because of our Uranian energy is calling us to look forward and reform and restructure.

If Pluto doesn't break us up, it will be a much more liberated America that lacks the more dictatorial aspects of hierarchy.

I do think that this will be a violent revolution of the people. Capricorn Pluto wants to control and hold onto power, while Uranus in Aries wants to liberate in a violent way.

Castaneda question:

In one book, there is a woman bruja. I can not remember her name(probably will be in my one resurce book here if I knew where to look). But in this book there is a scene on a bridge, I believe, and this woman goes into a house which the narrator of the story refers to as a place of power(or something like this).

Sorry to get off thread here, or to pose this question to this forum,but I have tried googling for this info and wind up with TONS of info, but still no certain link to the correct passages or the correct book. I have no other resources but the folks here.

Can anybody give me the name of the book this comes from? Is it Journey to Ixtlan? Or something later.

Thanks for any help with this.

OG

And Sally, if you would prefer the Castaneda thing to be private matter, I can be contacted at abakan1@yahoo.com if somebody would rather contact me personally.

Thanks.

old granny, I sent you an e-mail.

old granny, the e-mail was returned.

That Pat C. is faster than grease lightening! Best researcher on the planet!

Old Granny, how are you? Hope your eyes are growing less sensitive to the light... and that you are more at ease, than dis-ease. We love to have you, no matter the topic... Namaste

Coming from you Jo, I am all aglow! :-)

http://tinyurl.com/9xxrx

The Hunting Of The President

A few weeks ago, I wrote that for the Downing Street Memo to have any effect, members of Congress would have to get behind an investigation into the document. Now, it seems, the game is on.

"But for those aligning with the Conyers camp, it will not be easy to raise awareness in the mainstream media, even with CNN's belated recognition. We learned from the 2004 election cycle that the mainstream media will not pursue controversial investigations without political backstopping."

I'm pleased to report that early congressional support has made a difference. Rep. John Conyers gathered 88 signatures on a letter to the White House demanding that the president explain the memo. That letter was rebuffed by the White House but it was enough to get CNN and the LATimes on the case. A few days later, the Washington Post filed its own story.

On Thursday, Senator John Kerry announced he would be raising the Downing Street Memo in Congress upon his return from recess. That, predictably, led to a reaction from the conservative media machine.

In today's National Review Online, the conservatives reveal their concern and unease. In their opening salvo, James S. Robbins attempts to argue that the memo is "old news." He argues that the three major pieces of information contained in the memo were all previously known and where necessary, previously discredited.

Robbins treats the Downing Street memo as a series of new accusations. This is wrong. The Downing Street Memo is a new source document that is evidence, not accusation. It is evidence that the Bush administration decided to invade Iraq by April 2002. It is evidence that the Bush administration acted on that decision and was using Operations Northern and Southern Watch to hit Iraqi command and control targets to prepare the battlefield in advance of a declaration of war and Congressional authorzation. It is evidence that the Bush administration had decided to "fix the facts" around the policy they could not otherwise justify to the American people.

So, when Robbins says, for example, that the "The charge of intelligence fraud (if it is such a charge) has already been investigated and found baseless," his statement relies on an investigation (the Silberman-Robb Commission) that was not only unable to look at the political use of intelligence, it relies on an investigation that did not have in hand the evidence he is attempting to refute.

More...

Thanks for your feedback, everyone. I'm really not looking forward to those transits but, thankfully, they are a few years down the road (my Sat. is 0 Libra and my Uranus is 6 Cancer). I should look back and see what Pluto transits brought previously. Currently, they're squaring Mars, Venus, S. Node and my husband and I are somewhat intensely working things out as his Uranus and Jupiter are factored into the square. He is an early Aries (8 deg) so he'll be involved in the Pluto Uranus transits.

Jo, I'd like your little sister as I already like you. I have a 5-placement Pisces stellum but my Leo-Aquarius lifts me up and the whole deal causes me to want to uplift others. I love being a warm and uplifting ray of sunshine but have other more dampering sides, too.

Judi, Happy, Happy Birthday to You, Happy Birthday to You, Happy Birthday, dear Judi, Happy Birthday to You! ...and many more! You are such an articule Gemini & always have so much good stuff to share.

PQ, you are also such a good communicator. Thanks for the info. You also have been through a lot. I am still praying for your son - anyone who finds you a great VW Rabbit diesel van (?) has to be very special - it sounds like it Duracel bunny...it kept on going. I wish the same to the both of you.

Hmmm, a bloody revolution? I hope it doesn't come down to that but when people are starving, they turn to stealing and plundering.

And, in addition to being articule, you are eloquent, too.

And, in addition to being articule, you are eloquent, too.

Judi Gemini,

Add my birthday greetings to Sharon's. Hope tomorrow is a bountiful day for you. Happy, Happy Birthday!

Sharon, your Saturn conjuncts my Moon in Libra exactly, and your Uranus conjuncts my Venus in Cancer within a 4 degree orb! Pisces rules my 7th House so I imagine some of your Pisces placements fall on my Desc. tUranus is in my 7th House now, and that usually means tension in relationships... as in my marriage... just trying to think before I speak these days and walk softly! As for dampering sides, we all have those, don't we, with transits if not natally. The best any of us can do these days, in these times, is put one foot in front and hope for the best... light to you and your hubby. Namaste

Pat C I am surprised that you would be so upset at the treatment of horses -- how about the treatment of cows, pigs, calfs, chickens and all of the other animals on the chopping block with factory farming. You're suggesting Speciesism - the favoring of one species over another. I think the HSUS campaign should protect all animals from slaughter. Besides, dogs are fed horsemeat, right? The outrage is sooooo hypocritical!

Happy Birthday Judi Gemini,
Hope you day is sunny and wonderful!
And to all of you for listening to me. I realize I'm just now processing a lot of the pain from that transit a while back.
Like my old energizer bunny truck, I just kept going, doing what I had to do, college, bartending, VISTA, color copier operator at Kinko's! Now I'm in full rebellion! Uranus in the 10th house, my career and public rcognition has been derailed and I dislike it with all my Taurus sun, Scorpio moon, Pr Leo rising! ( not to mention the saturn square to N aries saturn!
With T neptune, oppose my N pluto, 2nd, and square my N uranus 12th , & moon, 6th! Sort of Lillith on rocket fuel!
BP ( that's before pluto ) I sounded wise like the rest of you!
PQ

Happy happy happy birthday Judi!!

(((((Sharon)))))

Laura, I don't even know what to say to you, so I will say nothing.

Pat QOP, I'm rooting for you!!

Pat C:

Maybe you will give it another try? I'm still up and running on this end. I'd e-mail you back, except I appear to have misplaced your address somehow.

OG

I have a question or a series of questions, but I want to frame my words best. Really scattered right now.

Old Granny, I'll try again.

But it's not such a bad place to be. We had a charming and quaint town meeting tonight! Got through it well! A nearby town had a real rumble at their town meeting 2 weeks ago, broken car windshields arrests, the whole 9 yards. The problem was consolidation of the schools and subsequent disposal of the 25 yr custodian.
I did learn that the hammering I've been hearing is 5 houses being built down the stream from me! Oh ugh! There goes the neighborhood!
PQ

Also my Democratic friend has now come around to believing that the 9/11 event was enginered, or deliberately overlooked by those in charge! She wouldn't hear a word of it last spring!
Progress..................
PQ

Last but not least,
Sally thank you for the very comprehensive article. That's fascinating about the Taft family; another piece in the puzzle.
I've been feeling bad because I can't afford to pick up and move to Europe! You've made me feel a whole lot better about that. Yes I've been watching the political situation in Germany.
Jo,
Can you still get Der Spiegel? I can't access it any more, and I was reading it almost every day!
Guess Maine is where I'm meant to be!
PQ

This is interesting.

http://www.angelfire.com/realm/bodhisattva/she-shaman.html

http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/awakening101/carlos.html

Pat C yes, interesting the first link to shananism and sami is wise with truth, at least as i perceive it...as it has been brought to me...The north and the south differ in their helig field. The northwind energy is good for people here to explore- a similimum of energy.

The second rise of the Nazi's in Germany

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,357628,00.html

Bill Moyers: The Mugging of the American Dream

http://www.truthout.org/issues_05/060605LA.shtml

Another thought is brought by Sally's, "it is all about me"....
my friend, a buddhist monk, roared with laughter at my fretting over fretting that i could not let go of a problem.

He reminded me that the greatest koan (a poem/puzzle to meditate and find enlightenment) is our life.

Happy Birthday, Judi Gemini. May you have many more!

Pat C, thanks for the link on the Downing Street Memo. I'm blabbing to all my friends both overseas and here abouts about this.

Sally, I hope you are wrong about the Dems destroying each other and about no gains in 2006, but then I can see why you are saying these things.

Thank you for the hug, Pat C, I needed it and didn't even know it...the same back to you
((((((((Pat))))))))

And hugs to ((((((((PQ))))))) - we love you just the way you are. I think you're very wise and your mind is SO facile, you remember and communicate so much.

And hugs to ((((((((Jo))))))))
Jo, I once read that the placement of the ruler of your 7th house (my 7th is Capricorn, the ruler is Saturn) tells you a lot about the kind of mate you are compatible with (Saturn, 4th house, Cancer, someone serious, ambitious & organized but domestic, loving, nurturing and caring, maybe with 4th house planets, too). Also, anyone with conjunctions to the placement of the 7th house ruler will be a soul mate. So, you are one of my soul mates. I really admire you.

I admire all of you in different ways, so here again is a hug to everyone at ((((((((((((((AW))))))))))))))))).

Tseka, I am curious and wanted to ask you a) the origin of your name and b) where you live as you know so many cool people.

Old Granny....the bruja story you mentioned upthread from Casteneda ws in Journey to Ixtlan.....there was more than one encounter (it is towards the end chapters of the book)....there were several encounters with her in different places. I hope this helps, but I can also go try to find the pages if you want...let me know.

Thank you for the birthday wishes, ya'll....I appreciate. Everyone on this board DOES have an interesting story..or three or four....

judi g,

I hope you had a wonderful birthday celebration. Here is a little gift for you:

-snip-
Europe Before the Fire

FRANKFURT, Germany, June 1, 2005—On May 29, under a blazing sun, a raggle-taggle army of French patriots, nationalists, libertarians, conservatives, socialists and communists joined together as one in an unprecedented strategic alliance and mounted a stunning, crippling attack on the New World Order in the heart of Europe.

Just three days later, fired by the courage of their French cousins to the south, the Dutch people rallied to the standard and put to flight whatever remained of the European elites' parasitic army of self-absorbed, Lucifer-worshipping propagandists; treading underfoot all 252 pages of 'The Treaty Establishing a Constitution for Europe,' a veritable Devil's Charter for the final subjugation and control of an already heavily regulated people.

-snip-
The political tsunami was felt from the west coast of Ireland to the east coast of Greece. "Non! The Earthquake," proclaimed the headline on the front page of La Tribune, while the globalist newspaper Libération attacked the rebellious French, describing the result as representing "a general disaster and an epidemic of populism, which is sweeping everything in its path". The May 30 edition of the Europhile British daily, The Guardian, went further and claimed boldly: "Yesterday was nothing less than the beginning of the second French revolution

-snip-
For American readers unacquainted with life on the European continent, understand that this is nothing less than the start of a full-blooded political insurrection that cuts right across the artificial political divide. While the wheels have come off the European project, leaving the vehicle stuck in a constitutional ditch, opponents of the globalist agenda are now poised for what should be an aggressive and determined attack on the very engine of expansion and integration

-snip-
But though, for now, the issue is a diabolical treaty settled without a whiff of gun-smoke at the ballot box, the French have raised the standard of resistance against a wounded but unrepentant New World Order, and the battle lines are drawn. Europe's parasitic elites in London, Brussels and Strasbourg will neither forgive nor forget; and in the months and years to come, they will not go down without drawing blood. So mark this day and mark it well, for Europe stands before the fire.

At long last, the fight-back has begun.

more:http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/060305James/060305james.html

JM,
That is a GOOD one!!!!!!
PQ

what happens when T-Pluto reaches 28 Sag

Let's hope that, before ingressing, the fundamental's clocks are cleaned.

Great article Sally!

You had to know this was coming...

SEN. PAT 'HATED' HILLARY
By IAN BISHOP

WASHINGTON — The late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan and his wife despised a "duplicitous" and ruthless Hillary Rodham Clinton, who they believed would do anything to advance herself, according to a bombshell new book.

"The Truth About Hillary: What She Knew, When She Knew It, and How Far She'll Go to Be come President," by Edward Klein, is excerpted in Vanity Fair and slated to roll off the presses later this month.

Sen. Moynihan's wife, Liz, griped to a friend that a "duplicitous" Clinton "would say or do anything that would forward her ambitions," according to the excerpt.

"She can look you straight in the eye and lie . . . 'Lying' isn't a sufficient word; it's a distortion of the truth to fit her case."

Klein writes that Liz Moynihan, who managed her husband's campaigns, said of Clinton, "She believes that God approves of her and that, therefore, she can't do anything wrong. I suppose it's a Midwestern Methodist view, the equivalent of Nixon and Quakerism."

Clinton's camp slammed the book, published by Sentinel, a conservative arm of Penguin books.

"Sen. Clinton will always be proud to have had the support of Sen. Moynihan, and wishes she still had his wisdom and counsel," said Clinton spokesman Philippe Reines.

"Beyond that, we don't comment on works of fiction, let alone a book full of blatant fabrications."

Sen. Moynihan died in 2003. Liz Moynihan could not be reached yesterday.

Their daughter, Maura, was at Clinton's side yesterday at a Manhattan fund-raiser breakfast sponsored by the New York Women for Hillary, which raised $250,000 for the senator's re-election effort.

"I think I know my parents better [than the author]," Maura Moynihan said later. "The reporting is utterly and completely wrong."

Clinton yesterday called Sen. Moynihan her "wonderful predecessor," adding, "I can just hear him saying what needs to be said about the president and the Republican leadership.

"There's never been an administration . . . in our history more intent upon consolidating and abusing power to further their own agenda," Clinton said.

In 1999, Hillary Clinton sought Moynihan's blessing to run for his seat and announced her "listening tour" at the then-senator's upstate farm in Pindars Corners.

It is no secret Moynihan and Clinton had a forced relationship, but Klein contends that Moynihan could barely stomach her.

Home

http://www.timesnewspapers.com/stories/20050603/FBI.html

WG Man Claims He Is Target Of FBI Intimidation

Ben Garrett's political activism had FBI agents knocking at his door

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is demanding records of activities carried out under the Patriot Act that it sees as political intimidation of citizens, including a number of Missouri residents.

The ACLU is seeking documents under FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) that detail activities of the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF). Among state residents unjustifiably targeted, according to the ACLU, is Ben Garrett, a 1998 Webster Groves High School graduate who had been attending Truman State University in Kirksville.

Danny Harmann, stepfather to Garrett, was surprised to find the FBI knocking on his Webster Groves door last year. Questions asked revolved around Garrett's political activism and intentions to protest at the 2004 presidential nominating conventions.

"Ben's stepdad was shocked by their appearance at the door," said Skyler Harmann, Garrett's mother. "He tried to be as cooperative as possible. I was not home at the time, but I am pretty sure I would not have been as helpful.

"Ben has some strong political beliefs, but he totally believes in non-violence," added Skyler Harmann. "It's too bad that our Patriot Act gives authorities license to harass people with political views that differ with the administration.

"I hope the ACLU finds out exactly how our tax money is being misused for this kind of harassment, instead of being used to protect the American public from real terrorism," said Ben's mother, a longtime local school teacher.

More...

http://www.buzzflash.com/editorial/05/06/edi05051.html

Bushevik Mafia and the Cowering Media

Many liberals -- and certainly the Democratic Party (excluding Howard Dean) -- have repeatedly made the mistake of viewing the Busheviks and right wingers as a political party that plays by the process of a Constitutional democracy. It has been a lethal error.

As we have noted (and carried a book of the same title): "Take Them at Their Words." They believe that any tactic, even if illegal, is justified in resting the control of government from the "evil" secularists. David Horowitz, the academic Himmler for the Bush Brown Shirts, wrote, " “[y]ou cannot cripple an opponent by outwitting him in a political debate. You can only do it by following Lenin’s injunction: ‘In political conflicts, the goal is not to refute your opponent’s argument, but to wipe him from the face of the earth.’” As noted in a recent article, the top right wing direct mail guru, Richard Viguerie told Bill Moyers, “I just wish he [Bush] could have done a little bit more [against Kerry]. I thought it was just great. And we’re not gonna play, Bill, by the liberal establishment’s rules. They say, ‘This is acceptable and this is not acceptable.’ Those days are gone and gone forever.”

During the impeachment effort against Bill Clinton, a Tom DeLay aide said (and we are paraphrasing here): "You don't just beat an opponent, you kick them until they are down, and then roll them up in a carpet and toss them over the cliff."

In regards, to the recently revealed "Deep Throat," W. Mark Felt, Alexander Haig said to Nixon, who was suspicious that Felt might be "leaking" on him, "We've got to be careful as to when to cut his nuts off."

So as the GOP "enforcers" gouge out the eyes of the Dems and kick them in the groin, it does little good for Joe Biden to waive around a copy of Robert's Rules of Order.

More....

Starcats Astrology is picking up on both a possible hearing regarding the Guantanamo Bay Detention (Concentration) Camp's future AND the infamous "Downing Street Memo"!!!

http://starcats.com/toc.html

And remmeber, Blair is coming to visit across the Pond to see President Bush, so the timiog of the two, especially the "Downing Street Memo is pefect!!! =D

BBC - Gaza Settlers Prepared for long fight...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/4607021.stm

Israel's Mr TV blasts occupation
Israel's most respected television news presenter has condemned the occupation of Palestinian territory as "brutal" in a documentary aired on Tuesday.
Haim Yavin, known in Israel as Mr TV, has for decades avoided personal comment on the issue.

His documentary Diary of a Journey recounts Palestinian suffering at the hands of Israeli soldiers and settlers.

Settlers leaders have called for the 72-year-old broadcaster to be dismissed from state-owned Israel Television.

Mr Yavin is a founder of the state television channel and is revered in Israel.

He has spent over two years making the film during visits to the West Bank and Gaza.

He is the voice of Israel... and if he comes out with this, it means that apparently a lot of people feel the same
Tom Segev

One scene records Palestinian farmers being chased from olive groves by Jewish settlers, who accuse the Palestinians of planning violent attacks.
Commenting on long queues of Palestinians waiting at an Israeli army checkpoint, Mr Yavin says: "I cannot really do anything to relieve this misery other than document it."

Tom Segev, an Israeli author and social commentator, said Mr Yavin's reputation as a trustworthy broadcaster could influence some Israelis.

"He is Mr Israel, the voice of Israel, the soul of Israel, and if he comes out with this, it means that apparently a lot of people feel the same."

'Unacceptable'

Settlers leaders have been outraged by the broadcast.

Settlers Council representative Bentsi Lieberman has complained to the Israeli Broadcasting Authority.

"It is unacceptable that Haim Yavin will continue to anchor the news of the national station that professes to be objective."

The presenter is taking a stand at time when the Israeli government is preparing to implement its controversial plan to withdraw from Gaza.

Israel is planning to evacuate all its 21 settlements in the Gaza Strip and the troops who protect them as part of a unilateral disengagement plan.

It will maintain full control of the borders, airspace and coastline of Gaza, which is home to about 1.5m Palestinians.

Three Top Fundraisers jilt Dean - Quit DNC

http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/060705/fundraisers.html

Jumping right to "Post a comment," so I don't know whether anyone else has addressed this yet.

*****FYI*****

Last night on broadcast network news, it was reported that the US Supreme Court ruled against the validity of protection from prosecution those people growing, using, etc. marijuana for medical purposes. The news anchor said they sited the matter as falling under interstate commerce, and therefore Congress has a right to regulate it on a federal level (thus overriding state medical marijuana laws), and marijuana (federally speaking) is a Class I drug (meaning with no medicinal value).

Given that it's ILLEGAL to traffic marijuana interstate for any reason, I wondered at this ruling. This morning's newspaper article clarified things for me:

In the majority opinion, Justice John Paul Stevens wrote: "One need not have a degree in economics to understand why a nationwide exemption for the quantity of marijuana (or other drugs) locally cultivated for personal use (which presumably would include use by friends, neighbors, and family members) may have a substantial impact on the interstate market for this extraordinarily popular substance."

---of course, again, interstate commerce of marijuana is ILLEGAL, so presumably the US would want to work and is working towards eradication of that commerce. Additionally, I believe the states that have medical marijuana laws are rather strict with regard to "no sharing with others for their recreational use." All the states are well aware of the no-exceptions illegal status of the substance in the eyes of the Feds, and are careful to keep within strict bounds when the referendums are written for presentation to the electorate.

The one sentence quoted above (I certainly have not read the ruling, just the newspaper article) completely ignores the fact of illegality of interstate commerce of this substance. How weird is THAT???

Furthermore, the paper reports that "The court's majority marijuana ruling relied heavily on a 1942 Supreme Court case that held that the broader wheat market could be affected by wheat GROWN FOR HOME CONSUMPTION."

THAT does not bode well. Think about the implications for the future. I don't intend this to be a "sky is falling" post; simply want to inform. But think about what you yourself might be growing right now in your own backyard for your own consumption. Do your neighbors also grow these things? If you all grow these things, could that effect the broader market for these things? Can you imagine in your worst nightmare not being able to (legally) grow vegetables and/or flowers in your yard? Not being able to (legally) save seeds to grow your own annuals next year? WOW. Could this line of thinking one day impact organic growers? Will we all be eating GMO/antibiotic laden/non-organic etc. food in the future, grown from seed that produces fruit that has sterile seed ala Monsanto's products?

What a contortion of a ruling!! Not the aspect one would expect the Supreme Court to focus on in coming to a decision. And what was the break down of the 6-3 ruling? This is very interesting. The six: Stevens, Kennedy, Souter, Bader-Ginsburg, Breyer...and Scalia. (When's the last time this bunch agreed on anything?)

The three: Rehnquist, Thomas, O'Connor.

And if you think I'm jumping to a crazy conclusion regarding the implications of this ruling, here's a quote from the dissenting opinion, written by O'Connor:

"The Court's definition of economic activity is breathtaking. It defines as economic ANY ACTIVITY INVOLVING THE PRODUCTION, distribution, AND CONSUMPTION OF COMMODITIES."

Commodities. The things we grow in our yards.

Hi folks!

Been lurking rather than posting the last few weeks...

Just referring to the DNA posts upthread...David Icke was on the radio here recently and he says that DNA works much as a radio or tv transmitter/reciever do. If we were to think of reality as being similar to that outlined in the movie 'the Matrix' then DNA would be keeping us 'tuned' to the same 'reality'which begs the question - what is reality?

Ah, now that takes me back to my Philosophy lectures...

Well, the reality for ME right now is Beethoven week on Radio 3!

Ciao.

Jase

This is truly free enterprise gone mad.

Jase, yes indeed.

"What is REAL?" asked the Rabbit one day, when they were lying side by side near the nursery fender, before Nana came to tidy the room. "Does it mean having things that buzz inside you and a stick-out handle?"

"Real isn't how you are made," said the Skin Horse. "It's a thing that happens to you. When a child loves you for a long, long time, not just to play with, but REALLY loves you, then you become Real."

"Does it hurt?" asked the Rabbit.

"Sometimes," said the Skin Horse, for he was always truthful. "When you are Real you don't mind being hurt."

"Does it happen all at once, like being wound up," he asked, "or bit by bit?"

"It doesn't happen all at once," said the Skin Horse. "You become. It takes a long time. That's why it doesn't happen often to people who break easily, or have sharp edges, or who have to be carefully kept. Generally, by the time you are Real, most of your hair has been loved off, and your eyes drop out and you get loose in the joints and very shabby. But these things don't matter at all, because once you are Real you can't be ugly, except to people who don't understand."

"I suppose you are real?" said the Rabbit. And then he wished he had not said it, for he thought the Skin Horse might be sensitive. But the Skin Horse only smiled.

"The Boy's Uncle made me Real," he said. "That was a great many years ago; but once you are Real you can't become unreal again. It lasts for always."

The Velveteen Rabbit
by Margery Williams

Well, lookee here....more evidence that supports my "Kerry-was-a-straw-man/fall-guy" theory.......

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/6/7/102334/4354

namaste all, and keep up the great postings!!!

Medical Marijuana Ruling, Part II:

And so it would seem perhaps the ruling was not about medical marijuana at all, but rather a ruling to set up far more sinister actions in the future, as alluded to above:

http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0606-23.htm

Court Ruling Preserves State Medical Marijuana Laws
Justice Stevens Says Congress Must Act on Federal Level to Protect Patients

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Today's U.S. Supreme Court ruling in the medical marijuana case, Gonzales v. Raich, does not invalidate state medical marijuana laws and should have essentially no impact on their implementation, officials of the Marijuana Policy Project said today. The ruling allows federal authorities to enforce federal marijuana laws against patients who are protected under state medical marijuana laws -- preserving the status quo as it has existed since California passed the first effective medical marijuana law in 1996 and leaving it up to Congress to protect patients from federal attacks.
"While we're disappointed, the validity of state medical marijuana laws was never at issue in this case," said Rob Kampia, executive director of the Marijuana Policy Project in Washington, D.C., which provided major funding for the litigation. "The medical marijuana laws of Alaska, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Washington, and Vermont will continue to protect patients from arrest by state and local authorities. Because the DEA and other federal agents make only one percent of our nation's 750,000 marijuana arrests every year, patients in states with medical marijuana laws retain a high level of protection. Congress should act today to give those patients complete protection from arrest."

"In his opinion, Justice Stevens stressed the need for medical marijuana patients to use the democratic process, putting the ball in Congress' court," Kampia noted. "This is especially important now because next week, the U.S. House of Representatives will vote on an amendment that would prevent the federal government from spending funds to interfere with state medical marijuana laws."

"Just because the Supreme Court has said the federal government can continue to arrest medical marijuana patients doesn't mean the federal government must do so," Kampia added. "Unfortunately, because there is no indication that the DEA is going to resist the urge to arrest seriously ill patients, Congress must step in to protect patients without delay."

Legislation to protect medical marijuana patients continues to enjoy strong support from both the medical community and the general public. Organizations endorsing such protections include the American Public Health Association, American Nurses Association, American Academy of HIV Medicine, and the state medical associations of New York, California, and Rhode Island.

With more than 17,000 members and 120,000 e-mail subscribers nationwide, the Marijuana Policy Project is the largest marijuana policy reform organization in the United States. For more information, please visit http://www.MarijuanaPolicy.org.

Thanks for the Kerry-straw-man post, Garry. Yes, looks exactly like you're RIGHT ON!

ugh...pathetic...

Lori it gives me goosebumps.
State's rights VS Federal, this has been at issure for a long time. During civil rights movement we pushed for federal rulings that would guarantee rights across all states. Now the right is using smae tactics to impose their agenda. The constitution preserves for the states and the people all rights not specifically stated therein. However we've all tinkered away and now corporations have idenities as "people" with rights...sigh it is really as Sally says a few steps right a few steps left. But we aren't waltzing, doing "the monkey" maybe???

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Jeb_Bush_911/

Well, if I can make a dream report of a hopeful nature this morning.
It starts out with me and my two Repug sisters walking through the old neighborhood.
We are headed for church, but mutually agree to pass by the old Baptist church we had gone to as children
in favor of the Methodist one a few streets further.
There is a rich person’s mansion blocking our way [fenced in and weedy] and we go around it.
The auditorium is packed: all races and religions inside, much music and costumes, celebrating a new kind of Rededication to Unity! Yes, each group takes turns doing a ritual/performance-art type ceremony!
[The Czechs had the most fun costumes on that included a lot of ribbons and bells while they rollerskated!]
The happiest part for me was how the babies were passed around so each person could pledge peace and joy for their upbringing. I didn’t want to wake up and end it!

Oh Jill, that dream makes my heart happy.

Mike, did you know that we could impeach the Pres and Vice-Pres at the same time and get rid of them both at the same time?
The thing is that the number three person in line for President is the speaker of the House.
The current one should have been in jail long ago, so he mustn’t be re-elected in 2006.
[This seems likely because 70% of his district thinks he isn’t worth the air he breathes.]
Which means that whoever is the majority leader of the House after the elections in 2006,
could become President if the impeachment is completed by then. Sally, Claudia, and Nancy’s
astrology doesn’t report changes for the good of the public this year, just that the Neocons
are going through a rough time. Boo hoo hoo don’t we feel so sad for them…NOT!
Remember that 60’s saying? “What if they gave a war and nobody showed up?” The people will
have to ignore them and unite Gaia in the best way for all of us.
Can the world go from anger to weltschmerz to talking to uniting to peace? That's why were here asking the Astrologers....

Hi AW, Sally, here's an interesting one ...

Sidelining the CIA

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1069065,00.html

Marta

tseka, me too! It looks to me like a plan's afoot to essentially legalize medical marijuana -- a good thing, I think....but this ruling will still stand as perhaps not the precedent (sounds like the 1942 ruling was the precedent), but as the groundwork for making things currently common illegal. It could go much farther than just food, herbs and flowers. What about people who make their own fabric and/or clothes? What about people who build their own homes or renovate or remodel or put in their own new toilet? I could go on and on.

You're absolutely right. In the 60s, federal over states' rights served a higher good. Now it's being used for ultimate control.

In another vein, Colorado legislature has just finished this year's session. So there's no overriding (though the votes are there by a very wide, bipartisan margin) two bills Gov. Owens (neo-conman FOB [Friend of *]) just vetoed pertaining to the building of a private toll highway from Fort Collins in the north to Pueblo in the south: 1. doesn't have to be built according to federal code; 2. the PRIVATE developer can CONDEMN PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNED BY OTHERS to gain that property to build his privately-held toll road. Eminent domain in a new way. (the matter may not be all settled yet, people say they'll fight this and our legislature will revisit it next year, but how astonishing, to say the least!!)

While things shake out in DC, we might consider turning our attention to more local matters and make sure we continue to make our opposition to this stuff heard loud and clear (I'll bet if we look we'll see that these things are happening in every state, in a different way). It's easier to garner support for and produce results with issues that effect people in very tangible ways, close to home both literally and figuratively.

Jeepers, get some coffee Jill it's "we're" not "were"!
Sorry

Mike & anyone else in the D.C. area -

"The Yogi & the Politician"
discuss "The Power of These Times"

-- a dialogue between Dadi Janki, 88 y.o. founder of Brama Kumaris World Spiritual University and Dennis Kuccinich

Tuesday, June 7th at 6:30 pm - 9:00 pm.
Library of Congress (to be confirmed)
Washington, DC

For your complimentary tickets
call and ask for Sister Jenna(301) 593-4990.

Jill weren't you the one who was complaining about your unexciting pastels up the thread?
That dream was certainly in brilliant rainbow colors. How nice to wake up to it!
PQ

I hope you don't find this horribly off-topic, but several threads ago someone posted a link to an amazing and enjoyable Numerology Site and, dadgummit, I can't find it now. Does anyone have the link I'm speaking of and, if so, could you post it again? Thanks.

Jonathan, this is the only one I could find in my bookmarks. I thought I had another one, but...

http://www.astrology-numerology.com/numerology.html

Pat C,

You're my HERO for the day. I love, love, love, love you!!!! That's the link I was looking for. I shall bookmark it immediately.

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Jonathan, (blush) You are entirely welcome!!

Sharon
The origin of my name..tseka is heiltsuk, it is the singular of tsetseka the winter dance cycle.

Northwest coast indians celebrate two "years" or cycles. The Bakoos outward flowing is the summer when berries are gathered and fish, everyone is out exploring. The timings of things are not set by the moon or calendar but by earthly rhythms. For example when the frogs begin singing the salmon run six weeks later, so frog singing season is usually april. This holds true regardless of which creek you call home.

The tsetseka wind comes usually in late october it blows in off the pacific and boils up into the firs, you can feel it raise the hairs on the back of your neck. It signals time for the inward path and in the old days people settled into their long houses, they changed their names and identities to match their new role. The "secret" or "sacred" societies presented dances -tsekas- during the solstice with masks and costumes. It was a way to recreate the history of the tribe and bring into form the mythical.
I was born on 20 Dec a short night; a tseka. Of course we are each and all -one tseka : one story.

Jonathan I'm glad to see you here. Your dream has been sitting with me. My son born in the last moments of Pisces on March 20 dreamed the war in Iraq well before it began and he has had in the past year dreams similar to yours with riots in the streets. 2006 all burns says he. It's been difficult to accept but knowing you are both born at the same time i have to think you are tuned to some Aries point energy that is being revealed through you. Knowing perhaps we can guide it...ideas?

tseka, I am with you on the tsetseka wind. It makes perfect sense to me.

yes Pat C this site is in the true sense of the meaning a tsetseka and each of us here presents their tseka, the audience is just as important as the performer together they create the new song/dance/story

What a beautiful and accurate description tseka. It is so.

tseka,

I'm a 00Aries10 Sun conjunct a 00Aries14 North Node. What's your son's placement? I also have Neptune in Scorpio trine that Sun/NNode conjunction in Aries. Always have been a bit of an (impatient) intuitive and seer, of sorts. LOL

Jonathan,
His sun is 29pis34 third house with merc just preceeding it. trine uranus 3 sag- a network engineer what else??? ahhh that neptune at the GC conj Asc very psychic speaks with dolphins. Pluto, saturn, mars and pallas all retro and very close togehter in libra his tenth he's like Jo's grandson came here already knowing more than i'll ever have a clue...i adore him!

Tseka is very polite and very modest, you guys. If you want to see her art, click http://www.tseka.com/

Tseka, your description of your name is beautiful. You sound as if you have other talents also... like storyteller...

This little corner in cyberspace has some heavy duty talent. Jonathan, how do you feel about your dream? I would be interested in what you think about it.

Namaste

Tseka,

I am also born on March 20, 11:00 pm Central time. But, I'm an Aries with a time adjustment of 5:00 Am GMT.

I breaks my heart that the Iraq war started on my b-day. I spent the day at an anti-war rally. Then, that night, my mom called that my father went in a coma. So I spent the later half of my day in the hospital.

I think it had more to do with tPluto hitting my nMoon. In 2003, did anything tramatic happen to your son on that day? Is he a "true" Pisces or an Aries with the time adjustment to GMT time.

Also Jonathon, that dream of yours is so what I see astrologically. Plutonian energy is so heavy that we may feel its transits into Capricorn before it moves there in 2008.

Thanks

hei Jo
hmmmm well,i built it myself and it has a looonnng way to go. My computer whizbang kid crossed his arms across his chest and said you can do it e! And with hounds of hell eyes some days later i did but it still has such a long way to go i wasn't planning to mention it...hoping to work on it this summer and make it a real place to welcome you all.
I don't know about storyteller Jo, they are just the stories from my Salish homeland and my swedish ancestors. They were original settlers on the west coast when my greatgrandfar came and mapped the yukon.

I am having a show of my work in Portland Or 17-19 June if anyone is near I would love to meet you.

you are certainly right about the talent here I hope all of you have gone and apprecitated Judi Gemini's work over at starcats... a very magical portrait of draggie. And I know Pat C is also an artist and Pat PQ the thing is i'm so completely awed by all of you here that even though i don't know much about astrology i'm just drawn in by you all...and learning sooooo much! thank you

Okay, not to toot my own horn but more as a way of explaining to the curious, allow me to offer some -- if you don't mind -- personal background.

For about two years, I worked as a psychic with a surprisingly large and International clientele. For some reason, I had a strong beam into what their Guides were saying and could with very little effort do my best to translate the noise I was hearing into "answers" that made complete sense to my clients and no sense to me.

Anyway, after a couple years of this, I felt my life was no longer my own and I risked losing myself in the Otherworld of Psychic Readings, so I put away the shingle and referred my clients to people I trusted.

Fast forward to here and now, the day after my Dream, I got calls from several clients letting me know how on-target the readings had been in relation to the "he's crazy, that could never happen" questions eg. a woman giving birth to twins at 43 after previously being unable to conceive.

So, having dreams like this is nothing new to me. And the "psychic" part of me isn't dead ... I'm just forcing it to be quiet. LOL Oftentimes I get flashes and inevitably watch as they play themselves out in reality days, weeks, months, even years later.

This dream I wrote about earlier is a true harbinger of what we're eventually looking at in America. And, when this does happen, the American People will look back on the 1990s (allowing the Repugs to Impeach Clinton) and through the Bush years as a "how did we let THAT happen" nightmare.

The World itself is changing. I do strongly suspect that America as a True Superpower (meaning one that is respected and trusted) is dead. And the European Union will grow in prominence. People keep talking about China as the next Big Thing, but not many people will move to China for work. They will relocate to France, to England, Italy, etc., though. It feels more "do-able".

So, I hope I've answered some questions. I do think we'll come to a place where the Military -- in order to save the Country from the Extremists -- MUST step in and restore order. They won't stay, though. Elections will be ordered and the votes will be counted the old-fashioned way. And a lot of those who held power for a very long time (most dubiously and dishonestly) will find themselves suddenly unemployed by a very, very large voter margin.

Sorry for the long-winded posting.

Travieso my deerheart, oh i am sorry to hear that, that terrible day was made even more so for you. How is you father now? I think it was very traumatizing for all of us that day. My son and i just watched it unfold and felt helpless to stop what we had been anticipating for so long.

I think you may be right about things happening before pluto gets to cap. That Galactic Center is a point of reconing i'm thinking.

Jonathan,
thanks for the courage to share this...my son sees it similarly the military used for marshall law and the militia (folks who are organized to defend the constitution type militia) will be joining forces. 2006 is only next year. It's hard for me to imagine that we are that close but we do seem to be in a process of escalation, refinement before 2012?

I so hope your seeing is right, Jonathan

Johathan, we have very similar history. I had to do the same thing for the same reason. How nice it was for me to see those words.

This is such a beautiful lagoon in cyberspace. The people are are just beautiful to me.

No one can predict. It's a guess. A crapshoot.

I think that's one of our Pluto in Sagittarius lessons. The fatalism factor. We create our reality as we go. The future is not written in stone. Why should it be?

We've got to learn mindfulness. To see the value in the present. To live it and not try to escape it. We can't. Whatever events are in the road ahead, we will handle them with our usual survival skill. And they will probably be that mixed cocktail of good and bad.

The more we find good in the present, the more we can trust the future.

Ouch, jm! Well, that's the last time I trust AstroWorld enough to bare my Soul and share something intensely private and personal.

jm, I hope some small pleasure was gained by so ruthlessly, myopically and close-mindedly denigrating the good work done by those who can and do see the "future". Good job!

'Night all.

David Bacon | What's behind the Student Bill of Rights?
http://www.truthout.org/issues_05/060705LA.shtml

Jonathan, did you see my post??

Pat C.,

Almost closed down and then saw your message. Yes, I saw your Post and I thank you for it, as well as for the other posts thanking me for writing what I did. But just one fly in the proverbial ointment can make one feel unwelcome and not altogether safe and revert back to lurker mode.

Although I agree with some of what jm said ('cause the future ain't written in stone, that's for sure), the confident declaration that it's a crapshoot and a guessing game was unnecessary.

Oh well. No big harm done. Just a papercut, but I'm still off to focus on stuff I should have done this afternoon.

Again, 'night all. Have a good one. And, if you're on the East Coast, try and stay cool! :-)

I think we all tap into the collective in our dreams.

Jill g's and Jonathan's are probably equal in their possible mapping of the future.

Jonathan... that is not MY future as of now.

And don't be silly. Of course you will bear your soul. You just love being contrary. And you do it so successfully.

I'd also like to say that I have 1000 Uranus aspects so I perceive life as unpredictable. Thrive on it.

The Uranus in Aries coming up square the Pluto in Capricorn does paint a picture of possible violence and martial law, but the Uranus factor brings in the oftentimes opposite of what you thought. Or some tangent on it.

I don't want it. And I will continue to send this message into the universe so it can guide me appropriately to the alternative to bloodshed.

I hear you JM. It would be so nice to see people in the streets because it would show the world that we are sincere....without bloodshed. It has happened in several countries.

http://www.prospect.org/web/printfriendly-view.ww?id=9828
Reliving History

Excellent.

jm, I'm glad you explained where you were coming from. Your feelings are understandable. No one wants violence but no one wants what we have now either. I for one find the dream descriptions on this site simply fascinating and, if anyone has any psychic visions, feelings, etc., I'd love to hear them. Nothing is etched in stone - these are only possibilities - but they are worth looking at as they certainly touch a chord. My intuitive counselor friend has helped me so much in life and she has often put me on the right track. I look back at all the times she was right. Although it's far from 100%, the times she was right were extremely important.

Tseka, you are simply a fascinating women. You are so spiritual in your art and your approach that I feel that you are almost in a trance yet see very clearly. You just have such a way of describing the transcendence and reverence and revelry of nature as felt by the indigenous people of the earth. I love you artwork and your poem posted on the website. So beautiful. I'm so happy you turned up here -- you add so very much. There is so much talent and brilliance here in general - what a great quilt we all make up together :-) I appreciate all of you so much.

Jo, thanks for the Velvet Rabbit piece - it's SO wonderful.

Can you all tell that t Venus is trine my sun and conjunct my n Uranus, soon to be in my first house and conjuncting Jo's Venus?

tseka,

I apologize if I was amiss in mentioning your site... you referenced it when you first came on a couple of threads back and I was so struck by the beauty of your work I wanted others to see it. Now I feel as if I've brought a crowd by for dinner uninvited, before you had a chance to clean house! Was not my intent... anyway, your work is beautiful, and please forgive me for being invasive.

I have seen the lovely picture of Draggie but I had no idea our Judi Gemini painted it! How am I so out of the loop!??? I am looking for my hairshirt and promise to wear it for a week!

Jonathan,

Thank you for opening yourself up as you did. That takes a lot of courage and I respect you for it. Your dream and your comments resonate for me. I have no psychic abilities but I believe that the choices our government has made in addition to the ones the people have made (whether consciously or unconsciously) will have consequences.

Please don't go away. Please continue to talk with us. We do not all agree and we should not have to... and as one wise person who posts once in a blue moon once told me --- it is not necessary to convince others of your opinions. They are yours and we don't have to defend them to each other, nor do we have to get a concensus.

I respect and admire those who can 'see' --- it is sad that you have felt a need to put this gift aside, but if as Pat C. has suggested it is what one has to choose to do occasionally, then do so. But any time you want to bring your dreams or thoughts here, they are of interest to me and I would love to hear them. Namaste

Namaste

(((Sharon)))

lovely description of tseka...!

These energy shifts have me digging deep these days... sometimes I feel as if my head is tingling (and no, my BP is fine, other vital signs are fine, thank y'all)... just that parts of me are being fine tuned I think, and others cast aside. (been watching too many Star War movies with the grandson?) But I'm trying to grasp onto my 'life' --- you know what we 'used' to do, before Dec 8, 2000! I'm sending more letters and emails and writing more in my journal than I have in years... and reading my stash of paper: quotes and poems and musings. Don't have much use for news anymore. The litany of lies is soooo long now...

Had lunch at my Dad's place today... a new resident moved in, 97 year old lady... about 80 lbs. dripping wet! Looks 78, and she was with her son, who is 79 and looks 65! Somehow, I ended up feeling in need of a little exercise. These folks insist on doing for themselves and for each other. So much love toward one another. Left my Dad in the company of several women, all concerned over his loss. Heck, I wanted to take a few of them home with me!

These folks are the fibre of this country... they have worked all their lives, made our country what it is, and now the gov't wants to pull the rug out from under them... and our children. I think this will be what brings this regime to its knees. You simply can't do that to your parents and your children. Really heavy karma there...

Jonathan, JM, everyone, please stay--this site, though sometimes seeming small, is actually one of the biggest I've ever seen, at least in terms of capacity for informed and intellectual discourse and for containing lots of great ideas and great spirits.

I think all of us here have witnessed the folly of surrounding one's self with "yes-men" (the last 5 & 1/2 years in Washington are a good example) and so we NEED differing viewpoints. We may not all agree or even be on the same page, but how will we grow if not challenged?

As for me personally, I liked both Jill G's AND Jonathan's dreams---as someone who usually can't remember my dreams, those 2 give me hope. I don't necessarily see our military removing the current junta as being life-threatening for US--Jonathan didn't say that specifically, only that we would be in the streets---and Jonathan, if you would care to embellish on this dream I would love to hear more about it.

(Has everyone realized I'm a middle child by now?
LOL)

Sorry, I just want everyone to stay at our little party, regardless of how we put on our pants or kilts. To me the exchange of ideas and insights and the volume of knowledge I've gained though this site both far outweigh any few minutes of discontent I may have experienced(and truth to tell, those moments only came from that nasty troll we removed awhile ago).

Thanks & namaste all, now keep those great posts coming!!!!

WV....Daniel Patrick Moynihan was one of the movers and shakers of the current Neo "Con movement...and one of the authors of the Project for the New American Century . I am saying this from memory, mostly because it shocked the hell out of me when I read it after he died. If I am wrong, and I am too tired to look it up, I'll retract. Interesting...although anything from right wing press has got to be a distortion of one plus two equals seven proportion.

Neerav,

I guess if you live long enough you see almost everything...

You were so right about the perfect timing of Blair's visit to Washington. Tonight Bush + Blair held a joint news conference at which a member (I'm not sure whom) of the previously comatose U.S media actually asked a challenging question about the Downing Street Minutes, and most incredibly the story was featured on both NBC and CBS News
(and is supposedly all over the German media). The timing is also excellent as new Wash. Post polls are showing more and more Americans turning against the costs in blood and money from this fiasco of a war.

As you've been saying, we can now watch the games begin in earnest!!

* New Poll Numbers Are DISASTROUS For bush. 6 In 10 Say Iraq Not Worth It. 55% Say bush Is A Divider. Only 1/3 Support bush On Stem Cells. 1/2 Oppose Drilling In ANWR. Chimpy's Going Down.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/07/AR2005060700296.html

Thanks Tseka for the compliments, and returned to you, of course, as I was so struck by the quality of your work..

everyone here seems to have a lot of interesting talents...Pat C....you once offered to 'read' for me, and I wasn't sure what you meant (astrology? psychic?) at the time, now I get it....you were doing what I had refused to do once upon a time. My astrology teacher said I could have been one of the top psychics on the west coast, and I said....NO WAY, NOT GONNA GO THERE. I knew it would be disasterous for me. Well...it looks like your experience proved my case to me! Thanks....

I am having terrific problems focusing right now...it must be the aspects today, or just sheer tiredness from the weekend of little sleep and a lot of routine breaking. And in the two complexes where I live...a four plex next to a 6 plex, there have been 3 move outs in 3 days, June 5-7...so change is definitely afoot.
The subjects covered on the this board are remarkable....but like me right now, focused on so many different things that I am unable to coherently respond, so I apologize if I've passed up comment....I've sent a few of the things posted to many people...and maybe that is the whole point...we are channeling to the world and this is our...what is the word...NEXUS? is that right?

http://www.wingsofjustice.com/2005/06/woj060805.html

Congressman John Conyers, Jr., in his 41st year in Congress, has stepped up his efforts to fight the radical right wing agenda. After the 2000 election, he led efforts to uncover election irregularities throughout the country and introduced reforms to remedy those problems, which were watered-down in the Help America Vote Act.

He led the fight against the U.S.A. Patriot Act, and was the lawmaker responsible for inserting a sunset into the bill. He was also able to pass a provision requiring the Inspector General of the Department of Justice is look into abuses of civil rights and civil liberties. That new power has led to a series of reports by the I.G. exposing, among other things, the abuse of detainees. Conyers is currently investigating other abuses of the Patriot Act.

Following the suppression of minority votes and machine irregularities in the 2004 Ohio election, Conyers formed an ad hoc committee of lawmakers to investigate what happened in Ohio. This resulted in a 102-page report, issued by his staff, and Conyers leading the first challenge to a state’s slate of electors in over 100 years.

If Democrats retake the House of Representatives, Congressman Conyers will be the Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and has promised that he will restore checks and balances to the federal government, and hold the Bush administration accountable for its wrongdoing.

I hope they pick Barbara Boxer for some honor as well.

Sweet dreams everyone.

G-d Bless Conyers and may the Dems re-take the House!!!

Thanks (((((Gary))))) I appreciate your sentiments.

Thanks (((((Joanna))))) for reminding us what lousy approval ratings Bush has. I think that, short of an attack on the U.S., they will not rise again. I am pretty sure any potential enemies will not attack for that reason.

Thanks for the hug (((((Jo))))) and here's one back at you. You are very eloquent as usual. I spent some of my time at the facilities where my mom and aunt lived. It was quite a beautiful experience although, I am ashamed to say, I often felt squeemish about some of the people there.

And ((((((Judi))))))) I have to go to Starcats and look at your painting of Draggie.

Yes, Pat C..."Sweet Dreams!"

I don't think anyone is going anywhere. Too many shared pleasures here.

Judi, what a beautiful painting! I'm very impressed.

Last night I popped a DVD into my computer, one I had never heard of. I just saw the heading that said "sweet, sensitive, and artistic", and I said to myself, "That's for me".

It's an Indian film called "Leela", and the opening scene was of a funeral pyre accompanied by the most beautiful Hindu chant I've ever heard. I wept and replayed it at least five times during the night, weeping every time.

Today I had the pleasure of being opened up to Tseksa's and Judi's work and I am reminded once again of the redemptive quality of art. It stuns me juxtaposed to man's ugly and base behavior and I think I should avoid this... avert my eyes and ears. The haunting chant, the rich colors, the love of animals and nature make this all look so senseless.
I know there is some balancing act I should master since this disturbing part of man's nature will persist and I will have to exist beside it.

Thank God for the artistic urge and the skills to express it. Makes we want more than ever to fulfill the potential.

Thank you, gals.

"we", "me", "you", it's all so mixed up.

Just my 2cents from the downunder time zone....
different people can see different things yet both viewpoints are truth - because not all people are supposed to have identical experiences. It does not have to be an either/or - but an and/and. Jonathan, your dream is awesome and I find it particularly intriguing with the link to Tseka's son. And jm, you may not be a part of the reality of Jonathan's dream because yours is an alternate path. We may seem to disagree, but in reality we are all on track to where we need to be. As Louise Hay says "in the infinity of life where I am, all is perfect, whole and complete."

Good thought, Kiwijeanie. Maybe that would mean that if martial law came, the violence, the cries, the fear and the guns would somehow bypass me.

I also have a question. If psychics predict disasters that will affect someone personally, is that for the purpose of preparing? And if so, what should one do? And when? I guess that's individualistic, but if the experience is entirely new, that can be confusing.
Or is simply knowing enough?

If a group is notified all at once by a psychic of an impending horror, can they avert it?

Hey people of Astroworld!!!

The major and local newspaper and newsmedia are starting to pick on on the "Downing Street Memeo", and sometime either this week or next, Representative John Conyer Jr. (MI-D), along with a few Democrats, will be presenting the "Downing Street Memo" either this week or next week, but it will defnititely be before the Fourth of July recess.

Bush & Blair could not answer the question by the reporter who asked about it (yep Grizzly, perfect timing!!!). This news conference is the beginning of the movement to impeach President Bush. I wish there were follow up questions on this during that so it would make huge news in the Mainstream Media (MSM). But though small, it is the beginning of the end for Bush and his cronies, unless the Republicans kill the effort.

And every poll has Bush's popularity on Iraq around 40% (plus or minus 4%), and still dropping. The latest Washington Post-ABC News Poll, which was issued yesterday, shows Bush's handling of Iraq at 41%. Expect all of those numbers to be under 40% by the end of this month (34 - 39%), if the insurgency gets worse and/or causes a civil war to break out in Iraq.

So here starts the impeach movement with yesterday's news conference, the growing masses here on the internet (including here on Astroworld and our partners in the Democratic Underground) who want Bush impeached over the DSM and the illegal Iraq War, the growing media attention in the newspapers and television news.

Finally, the big blow to President Bush will be Represenative John Conyers Jr. (D-MI), who will be presenting the "Downing Street Memo" and the articles of Impeachment (with other Democrats (and hopefully, all of the Democrats) in the House to get more stregth. If they can get some Republicans to join them, it would make thier case stronger).

When the DSM and the articles of impeachment gets presented in the House of Representatives, I will keep you all informed, since impeachment can only happen in the U.S. House of Representatives to get it started!!!

If a psychic, speaking to a large group, says there will be a water shortage as a general statement, it is wise to go out and stock up on water. Since the statement was made to a large group, you may not be in the area of the water shortage. If the statement is made to you in particular, it is very important to stock up on water.

Nothing is etched in stone. Think of a line of standing dominos. As the first domino falls the rest of the dominos are going to fall in an orderly fashion, if all goes as it is set up to go. That is how the timeline is viewed. That can be changed however, with good use of the will of the person and their higher self.

As Sally has said so many times here, "By the time you see it, it is already passed.". A psychic is looking, of feeling, or hearing along a timeline which is further down the line of dominos and probably earlier in the line of dominos at the same time.

Is that clear?

PS Psychics are usually not great at timing, dates of events. That is the realm of astrology. Astrology is a magnificent tool for timing, and as a matter of fact for validation of what a psychic "sees". When an astrologer is also a psychic, that is indeed a powerful tool, or if they work together, the best results can be achieved. This site has both.

Keep in mind that emotional attachment to an outcome can cloud the judgement of both....or not. I have seen it work both ways. It depends on whether the attachment is based in a healthy or unhealthy emotional base.

PPS Of course the study of history applied to the planets is another aspect (pun intended) of prediction. Very effective.

Ok, I know I had better go have my second cupa before I do a whole lot more speaking. :-)

To everyone thank you for kind words they humble me.
Pat C
true words have you found that this "seeing" is running in your family? In mine it goes far back on my father's side both my brother and my self were telepathic -like twins i guess. My son as well. It was easy as a child to accept the door was cracked open because it was an accepted part of life on the reservation. Behind my house a man "sung" a cedar into a canoe, the idea is deeply embedded that we are one thing but also another -or another as the tree i am remembering became a mother tree, her center was already yeilding to the earth and not meant to be a canoe and so she slid into earth a nursery for new trees. Integrating into "white" culture was much more difficult and sheilding was/is required.
Jo
deerheart you only get silk shirts, my home is always open, perhaps i was a bit embarrassed...and if you bring a crowd then we boil more rice...

jm
The dreams come- everything i know about Hel came from her then research comfirmed her story. My son's dreams before the war were of himself holding dying children. Perhaps the energy was so directed because of his birthday coinciding with the beginning of the war which is why I'm so curious about Jonathan and Traviso's stories. For my son these dreams ask him are you prepared to travel the path make a choice? Somehow these brave men offer us a clear sight of greed's path.
I am listening.
To all of you.

warm thoughts flowing outward

*Travieso, sorry i am pretty poor typist

Pat C.'s explanation rings true for me. I am not a psychic, though I have heightened perception (particularly when dealing with people in my own life)and at times enjoy clairsentience. However, there's a rather good psychic in my area who I have seen 3 times, and that's what I base my understanding of and agreement with Pat C.'s words on.

The person I know is particularly gifted in terms of communicating from/about people who have died, and my first visit to her was after my fiance died. Details were incorrect (do you have two dogs? No, cats.) but her description of how he and I related to each other was right on (I was a challenge and stubborn as a mule) and he surrounded me with crystals, which resonated because he was a rock hound to the nth degree, we owned and ran a rock shop for a short time together, and to this day, almost eight years later, my house is FILLED with rocks (and several boxes of the more rare, delicate and expensive specimens for lack of a safe place to display them), even though I've left some rocks at two or three different houses I've moved from since then. AND I sold three or four LONG shelves worth not long after he died.

"My psychic" has described situations which might come to pass if I want them. She has pointed out that time is a funny thing, and she always begins the session in part by saying that she's relaying how things look right now. Sometimes, the contrary to what she's said has happened. She told me my relationship wouldn't last, but maybe I was too stubborn (and it was a HORRIBLE amount of pain and work!!) and now I'm married to the guy and she gives good reports of our marriage! Last time I saw her she identified my cat's eye problem and told me to get him medical attention (I'm loathe to get medical attention for nearly everyone for anything...don't like allopaths generally) and he was healed and is fine now. When told, "no, Dad's not in spirit yet, he's still here" she told me his health is bad and he feels physically bad, but he never mentioned that to me till last week, well over a year since the reading. She also mentioned that I was really -- particularly -- difficult to read last time, because I wasn't grounded! (ever my bane)

So from a layperson's perspective, if anyone out there cares, it seems to me that the vision is read for the future, but in real time, based on the energies of today. The energies or patterns can change and that will be reflected in what happens in the future. And personally, (will one of you psychics please answer this question for me if you can?) I have wondered, too, if (for example) being told my relationship would not work out was sort of a ploy (by my guides?) inserted in order to promote certain attitudes/actions on the human plane that will move things towards a particular end.

Jonathan, I know you're reading still, if not posting. My dear nephew who I would have LOVED to birth is named Jonathan, and I think of him whenever I see your name, and since I can't see you/don't know you, some fondness gets projected in your direction whether you know it or not. When I was a kid, I was wide open and any insult or derision cut deep right into me. Around 15 years ago, I developed a f#(* you door and that has helped a lot. I was always appalled at the idea that one had to develop any kind of shell or protection and whenever anyone told me, "you're too deep." (WHAT??) But in order to not walk around wounded all the time, whether psychically or physically, I had to develop some toughness. And I have to say, circumstances in my life conspired to support the development at the time. My point is that I understand you have Leo Ascendant and that Aries is quite sensitive, actually; but I don't believe generally that posts here are intended as personal barbs and I suspect the posters in general support you much more than you know. Including JM (hi, JM!)

And now that we're thankfully near the end of this tome, I realize you do have your own f#(* you door. And you close it when you need to. And for you, that means not swinging your bare butt out here for all of us to see for a while. So good for you!

Good wishes to all,
Lori

tseka, I understand " Integrating into "white" culture was much more difficult and sheilding was/is required." It is easier for those of us with white skin, in terms of visual integration. I want you to know that some of us, internally, also have a hard time integrating! I mean this in terms of understanding and support and compassion, and not to say, "oh, yeah, well, us too!" Do you understand me?

tseka, songs for all important activities is probably my favorite part of the culture. I have no words for how I feel about it, but I could probably communicate it best in a song myself.

I'm sure that it does run in the family, but it was not accepted in my most immediate family. I was "different". I grew up moving every couple of years so my experience was "being" in so many different cultures. The gift of that was to know how we are all so alike in our hearts...how connected we truly are. I also learned clearly, that no matter where you go, there you are, and there is always so much more to learn.

When people say love is the answer, I learned that it is not idealistic hollow wording. It is so very real.

By the way, I spent some years learning stillness in nature. Being one with a tree(s) brings wildlife to you as you have said. I do love the earth.

Mon cher Lori i understand completely!! the integration was only "white" culture, for i am nearly white blonde and getting more so as the years fly by with blue eyes, a svenska, perhaps i need a different word or should have just said that leaving the reservation i lost the security of being so open, it was easy there. And too there are passages we make in our lives that are more grounded to earth, hormones matter as well.....the gates open and close....

Jo
it is such pleasure to hear you speak of your fathers home, surrounded by these amazing elders. You are right about them being the fiber of our community i hope our children will say the same of us one day.

everyone has psychic abilities because all they are is tapping into the realm of possibilies, and ALL things are possible. As a Leo sun, I think it takes a long time to overcome the "wounded pride" thing, it helps if one looks to where the intentions are coming from, and even better if a person can utilize all things to benefit one's growth.

Lori,

"So from a layperson's perspective, if anyone out there cares, it seems to me that the vision is read for the future, but in real time, based on the energies of today. The energies or patterns can change and that will be reflected in what happens in the future. And personally, (will one of you psychics please answer this question for me if you can?) I have wondered, too, if (for example) being told my relationship would not work out was sort of a ploy (by my guides?) inserted in order to promote certain attitudes/actions on the human plane that will move things towards a particular end.".

I think guides have personalities too, and they deal with ours. I would expect a guide to tell the truth, for example, "Your relationship will not work unless you change your attitude." rather than tricking us. I can't claim to know though. I do know that not all information is given to us at any one time. My feeling is that if it were, we would do no work, and learn nothing in our earthwalk.

Peg, you are right on about that.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/06/08/MNGLHD55IJ1.DTL

Official altered reports on links to global warming
U.S. climate research edited to downplay effects of greenhouse gases on environment

A White House official who once led the oil industry's fight against limits on greenhouse gases has repeatedly edited government climate reports in ways that play down links between such emissions and global warming, according to internal documents.

In handwritten notes on drafts of several reports issued in 2002 and 2003, the official, Philip Cooney, removed or adjusted descriptions of climate research that government scientists and their supervisors, including some senior Bush administration officials, had already approved. In most cases, the changes appeared in the final reports.

The dozens of changes, while sometimes as subtle as the insertion of the phrase "significant and fundamental" before the word "uncertainties," tend to produce an air of doubt about findings that most climate experts say are robust.

Cooney is chief of staff for the White House Council on Environmental Quality, the office that helps devise and promote administration policies on environmental issues.

Before going to the White House in 2001, he was the "climate team leader" and a lobbyist at the American Petroleum Institute, the largest trade group representing the interests of the oil industry. A lawyer with a bachelor's degree in economics, he has no scientific training.

The documents were obtained by the New York Times from the Government Accountability Project, a nonprofit legal-assistance group for government whistle-blowers.

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http://tinyurl.com/bxoan

Lack of PCs no barrier to web’s reach in turbulent land

Index On Censorship, D.Kislov, A.Kudryashov, 08.06.2005

News from the internet passed on person to person.

In theory the combination of state control and limited access to the net should have barred Uzbekistan’s way to latest reports about the brewing revolt in the country, increasingly available in Uzbek & Russian online. But as report Daniil Kislov and Andrei Kudriashov, partners in Index on Censorship’s 2004 Ferghana Valley projects, that would be seriously underestimating the Uzbeks' desire for information.

Official statistics indicate that around 700,000 people in Uzbekistan use the Internet, less than three per cent of a population of 26 million. Independent sources estimate that it has even fewer regular users. Access to sites with an oppositional or even just a critical slant is blocked by service providers on instructions from the authorities.

Despite this, the popularity of the Internet as an unofficial source of information is growing. You often hear ordinary citizens – people who don’t know how to use a computer, the people buying and selling in the bazaars, taxi-drivers – passing on news that someone has picked up on the Internet.

Uzbekistan’s new constitution abolished censorship of the mass media back in 1992. In spite of which, an ‘official secrets consultant’ is today to be found in every newspaper and magazine editorial office; and the Press and Information Agency has a special section for investigating leaks of official information. Ninety per cent of the newspapers, magazines, radio and TV channels are financed from the state budget; all of them are forced to engage in self-censorship, keeping quiet about problems and creating an artificial image of a flourishing Uzbekistan – the so-called ‘Karimov Paradise’.

For people in Uzbekistan, the Internet is beginning to play the role Western radio stations did for citizens of the USSR living behind the Iron Curtain. By comparison with the lacklustre local newspapers, Internet publications offer their Uzbek readers an unimaginable freedom of expression.

In March, and again in April 2004, Tashkent was hit by a series of suicide bombs. Until 7.30pm on the evening of 29 March the authorities were totally silent, along with practically the entire Uzbek media; representatives of Western news agencies and TV channels were also prevented from doing their job since the sole, government-controlled, television transmitter was, they were told, out of order. Simultaneous problems affected the telephone network, where most of the telephone lines were said to be overloaded or under repair. Ringing into or out of Tashkent proved far from simple.

But by 9:15 am on 29 March, the first reports of clashes with the police and of the bomb explosion near Chorsu Market, were on the Internet. The number of Internet hits on sites about Uzbekistan increased threefold. The very word ‘Internet’ became synonymous with civil resistance to the regime, parallel to the role of the political opposition. Articles and reports were printed out by enthusiasts for distribution to friends and acquaintances.

The numerous inaccuracies in official reports and the blatant falsehood of government propaganda imploded under the pressure of the testimony and eyewitness accounts that flooded onto the Internet.

More....

Ignoring Bipartisan Backlash to the Patriot Act

383 communities that represent 61 million Americans have passed resolutions demanding Congress limit the most offensively invasive provisions of the Patriot Act that tresspass on Americans' privacy rights. These include some of the "reddest," most conservative places in America like Idaho, Montana, and Alaska. Yet, incredibly, the Associated Press reports a Senate committee quietly "expanded powers [under the Act] to subpoena records without the approval of a judge or grand jury."

Democrats should be particularly ashamed of their colleagues who supported this. Privacy issues are one of the GOP's biggest vulnerabilities - especially in conservative and swing states (Democratic Sen. Russ Feingold actually aired ads in the swing state of Wisconsin trumpeting his opposition to the Patriot Act). And thanks to bipartisan legislation in the House, Democrats even have cover to go after Republicans on this issue. Yet they buckled. Will anything change?

via http://davidsirota.com/

An eloquent letter:

rom William Betz:

Over one month ago it was revealed by the British Press in what has been referred to as the "Downing Street Memo" that by July 2002 the Bush administration, along with its British cohorts, had already decided to invade Iraq.

The Memo, written by a high-level British participant in meetings between the U.S. and Britain, made it clear that the "intelligence" was being "fixed" around the policy to invade, that the impending invasion would be based on invented and cherry-picked "facts."

It is clear that Bush and company intended to -- and did -- manipulate the "facts" to justify their plans. We can only still marvel at Colin Powell, with a straight face, arguing to the U.N. that Iraq had mobile bioterrorism labs, while showing cartoons of what those biolabs looked like. (Photos were not available because, as it turned out, the labs did not exist.)

The Downing Street Memo makes clear that Bush and his administration lied consistently to Congress and to the American people. Far from being his "last resort," the Memo -- combined with the previous revelations of Richard Clarke and Paul O'Neill -- makes it clear that the invasion of Iraq was a principal goal of Bush from the time he entered office.

This presidency is absolutely illegitimate, not only because it represents the only instance in American history when the chief executive was appointed by political hacks on the U.S. Supreme Court but also because from its inception it has been based on a series of lies calculated to do one thing and on thing only -- to "privatize" this country by transferring the national treasury into the hands of Bush cronies.

On May 5, 2005, Rep. John Conyers and 88 other congressmen wrote to Bush requesting that he answer questions about the Downing Street Memo. The Conyers letter, along with the Downing Street Memo, has been ignored not only by the administation but also by and large by the press.

Since May 5 nearly 150,000 American citizens have signed on to a similar letter written by John Conyers. For more information on this, please visit johnconyers.com.

This story is important and must not be ignored. Please cover it. It is your job to do so.

Sincerely,

William Betz

Great great dialogue here!
Tseka I love your work. ...............
No time to talk, it's back to the library after lunch!
PQ

Sam Smith’s Progressive Review carries this interesting book note from the late, great media critic Neil Postman. I wanted to share it with you:

"Contrary to common belief even among the educated, Huxley and Orwell did not prophesy the same thing. Orwell warns that we will be overcome by an externally imposed oppression. But in Huxley's vision, no Big Brother is required to deprive people of their autonomy, maturity and history. As he saw it, people will come to love their oppression, to adore the technologies that undo their capacities to think.

"What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture... As Huxley remarked in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny 'failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions.' In 1984, Huxley added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that what we hate will ruin us. Huxley feared that what we love will ruin us.
-- Neil Postman comparing Brave New World and 1984

hey all, I just found this link at Rense.com---remember Jonathan's vision?

http://www.vheadline.com/printer_news.asp?id=37229

Well my goodness, what an afternoon here!

Tseka, I'm glad you understood, regardless that it turns out you understand better than I thought! haha! Though a deeper and more difficult adjustment for you, since you were coming from a different way of life/living/perspective. I was born into it and it just didn't fit. (but yea, I learned how to get out a bit, anyway...)

Pat C., I love that you used the word "tricked," because that's the word I've used in the past. I don't know whether that happens, either. I understand about the personalities; I've been told Clif is now one of my guides, and my sense is that not being bound to a body, he is still himself only with a much bigger, broader, deeper view of things and without the ego. This is just how I think of it. I'm no expert! (on anything!) I also feel we're not meant to know. That an important part of life is in the living of it and experiencing what we're meant to experience (whether we like it or not). And you are such a prolific news-poster! Wow!

Marta, THAT is AMAZING. WOW. I'm going to e-mail it to others. It's fascinating. Thank you for posting it.

And Garry, how amazing is that site?!

"See" you all later.

Lori, you are very welcome :)

Tseka, I was very moved by your art. Loving nature, animals, forests and moving water (mars in taurus, venus in pisces I guess) I felt comforted viewing the amazing pieces you have created.

Judi gemini, happy belated birthday. Funny, between Monday and Tuesday I celebrated three different friends birthdays! So, you're the fourth! Hope you had a wonderful time! PS I'd like to view your work but can't seem to find the site. Would you mind posting or emailing the sites address to me?

wow, Great posts here, I liked hearing Jonathan's and Tseka's personal stories,
it is nice to flesh out people from
these cryptic messages.

I couldn't find Jonathans dream though.
I needed a psychic yesterday to tell me that my car was going to cost $1500 to fix. ouch ouch ouch
:)

Garry, blessings come in many shapes and forms -) but as the saying goes ... be careful of what you wish for, because you might get it ... It took Chile 17-18 years before a "democratically" elected government took the country back from the military and that was only because Pinochet agreed to have a referendum (which he and the powers that be were convinced they were going to win - oops!). They lost and had to call for elections.

I haven't had a chance to read all the posts so if this is a duplication, I apologize.

Dare to dream this could be true.

http://first-draft.com/

Self-proclaimed political and economic forecaster Bob Chapman spreads the rumors we wish were true in Venezuela's Electronic News .

THE INTERNATIONAL FORECASTER editor Bob Chapman writes: Rumors have been circulating in Washington for the last year that a coup d’etat against George W. Bush and the neocons is being seriously contemplated in certain circles.

Within the military, because of the non-traditional use of the military and among high-level businessmen who see Bush as a disaster for American business ... especially in foreign trade.

*He has been arrogant, outrageous, insulting and downright weird in addressing the military and its objectives.

*He is going to use commercial unarmored mini vans in Iraq to transport troops to keep the collapsing auto industry happy, which, of course, will cost many more lives.

did you guys see the NYT article that
compares Kerry's grades to shrub's?
pretty pathetic.

Shylurker,

Where are you? I haven't seen you post since last thread, three days ago! (Yes, I check those things... just call me the 'post' police...) Miss your wonderful Southern drawl ... the gardenias are dropping off the bushes here, such a bountiful crop, wish I could send some your way! Have you abandoned us entirely for DU? Namaste

And WV? whither has thou flown?

Namaste

Pat QofP,

Remember my telling you that a group of artists had converted one of the vacant buildings downtown into an artists' parlor, and in addition to selling items on consignment they had dedicated a large part of the building for children? And that they are offering lessons for the summer? Well, hold on to your hat! The prices are not affordable for my grands... $100 a pop for (1) week, 2hrs/day, and part of that is cleanup time... for $300 I can ship them to Maine for a week with you! I checked them out, and they all seem to be Yuppies looking to make money rather than teach art... (I know folks have to eat, but jeepers!)

Have you tried anything like that where you are? How 'bout you Judi Gemini?

Lori,

Hi!!!

Pat C,

Very clear.

Marta,

That was a very, very, very interesting comparison of Orwell and Huxley. I never thought of doing that. I could spend a whole thread discussing it. Huxley makes a lot of sense emphasizing the deep inner source of the problem.

Jonathan,

The dissonant chord you pluck is fascinating. How you confront people the way you do and they end up liking you so much, to me, approaches the realm of magic. It is a natural talent.
You have a direct, uninhibited, enthusiastic way of projecting yourself with urgency and no apologies. A sense of self importance. I think this is a skill you can teach us all.

Well, we all have unfinished childhood emotional stuff and I think we empathize with it when we see it in others. Jonathan has shared a lot in a very open & friendly way, and still has a lot to share (which I think he will :-) just as we all do and will (I hope). I think it's a good idea to be respectful when we communicate so that if someone shares something, we don't negate it, but enhance it or add something different from our own experience as in, "well, I see and respect that that might happen and is true for you, but but my experience, hope, dream, fear is that..." I don't really think it's a matter of self-importance (but then, what do I know? ha, ha, ha)

I don't believe in self-importance. I sincerely trust (and know) that we are all important, all magical, all brimming to the top with wonderful stories and anecdotes that help guide others in their own journies and teach much needed and valued lessons.

So, jm, I don't really see it as being self-important. I just see it as being me! (said in my cocky -- yet utterly charming? -- Aries Sun/Leo Rising way)

Shoot!! Am I wrong again?

Oh well, I always was disappointed when I got a 96 on my tests instead of 100, so it's time to learn. Can't be right all the time. Sigh.

Oh and Sharon, in your elegant way you suggested saying something like,"well, I see and respect that that might happen and is true for you, but but my experience, hope, dream, fear is that..."

But you're talking to a couple of Aries types. I've always though of an advanced Aries as a 'Warrior of the Word'. They definitely like to cut through and make a very noticable impact.

wow: http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=37229

THE INTERNATIONAL FORECASTER editor Bob Chapman writes: Rumors have been circulating in Washington for the last year that a coup d’etat against George W. Bush and the neocons is being seriously contemplated in certain circles.

Within the military, because of the non-traditional use of the military and among high-level businessmen who see Bush as a disaster for American business ... especially in foreign trade.

He has been arrogant, outrageous, insulting and downright weird in addressing the military and its objectives.

He is going to use commercial unarmored mini vans in Iraq to transport troops to keep the collapsing auto industry happy, which, of course, will cost many more lives.
The US either goes to hyperinflation or directly into depression.

The world is forced to fuel America’s profligacy and if they do not, they go into the pit with us.

US elitists have sucked everyone into the game ... the Ponzi scheme has not only entrapped the foreigners but it has entrapped Americans in debt, from which they will never be able to extricate themselves.

Wars will increase, we will have a draft and the use of mercenaries from every country will expand.

No, jm, you're more right than you know. But I'm not sure how others truly see me, so it's a bit difficult to say whether or not what you suspect about me is 100% true. I must admit, though, that my ears did prick up with the phrase "realm of magic." Now THAT I liked! LOL

Namaste and all that jazz. :-)

And I really feel compelled to add that I believe the recognition of individual significance (self importance) leads to personal sovereignty and is the antidote to authoritarian tyranny, victimization, and the belief that others hold the power over the self. This in no way negates collective allegiance. It enhances it.

Jonathan, I'll drink a cosmic cocktail to all the magicians!

Revealed: how oil giant influenced Bush

White House sought advice from Exxon on Kyoto stance

John Vidal, environment editor
Wednesday June 8, 2005
The Guardian

President's George Bush's decision not to sign the United States up to the Kyoto global warming treaty was partly a result of pressure from ExxonMobil, the world's most powerful oil company, and other industries, according to US State Department papers seen by the Guardian.
The documents, which emerged as Tony Blair visited the White House for discussions on climate change before next month's G8 meeting, reinforce widely-held suspicions of how close the company is to the administration and its role in helping to formulate US policy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,12374,1501646,00.html

Peg,

I was meaning to ask you where you got the information about Bush's removal from within, since you have mentioned it many times and I am interested. Thanks.
Do you have any idea who is in these circles?

jm, if anyone knows that, they should not be posting it on a public forum.

Hey, JM!!

Aries moon here, and I will DRINK to speaking directly, being a little short on verbal softeners (Merc in Scorp, as well), and recognizing my significance, too!!

"I AM AMAZING!" haha. Everyone say it with me!!
WE ARE AMAZING, each of us! YEA us!!

I invite you all to join me in my Jupiter rising in Sag, Pluto sittin' on my face (EEK!) world right now!

Jonathan, if you'd like this person's opinion or observance or whatever we want to call it, I actually see you as extremely sensitive and not wanting to step on anyone's toes (you seem to me careful in your wording, etc.). And THEN, you also appear to me to be very sensitive to what you at least interpret as personal barbs. And I can't blame you for that. Though it's ok with me if you don't crawl into lurker land when it happens. But whatever works, you know?

And that JM? FIRE in her, man. FIRE. Check it out! Fire is great!
;-D

YEA ASTROWORLD!!!!!

Well, I guess I'm a tactful Pisces (Aquarius cusp) although my moon is in Leo conj. Pluto. Actually I've pretty straightforward in my communications (brought up in NJ/NY to boot) but I truly hate to criticize or step on anyone's toes. There are exceptions, such as my Aries, Leo rising husband!!!! He is SO sure of certain things and someetimes so quick to steamroll over others that it bristles me. Anyway, I do think we all have unfinished (maybe never to be finished?) childhood things and ways of reacting. I do admire the fire and air signs though because they are usually really fearless and surefooted in communication but I still think we should be respectful and tactful (no?) Still, Jonathan doesn't seem to have a problem with any of this so I'll stop trying to defend what I perceived as the "underdog." (I'll bet Jonathan would hate that description of him.)

As far as a Coup d'etat happening in the U.S., I couldn't see it as bloodless unless enough truth comes out that the **shco really make themselves look like asses, because they probably will always have a loyal core in the military.

OMG!! OMG!!!! Aries Moon!!!!!!!!!!!

How 'bout Moon conjunct Jupiter in Sag with mighty Pluto right there now. I am ablaze.(>>Pluto sitting on my face!LOL!<<)

You are correct, Lori. Fire ascendant making a grand fire trine with four planets, all within 3 degrees.

Onward and upward!!! Love thyself!

Sharon, Pisces can take so much. You handle us well.

Pat C, I understand.

jm, Bush's overthrow has been planned by the wealthy elites, supported by the Queen herself. But more importantly, many, many times I have posted on here that we are seeing the destruction of ALL systems. There's still a long way to go though, this stuff is just the Hatfields & the McCoys (Rothschild/ Rockefeller).

Well, I hope the wealthy elite do the work but the people gain the control. It might just be a wonderful collaboration.

BTW, Sharon, along with my 5 fire placements are four planets in air.

I definitely think we should be respectful and tactful, and we try...honest. But you know, Grandma's old pressure cooker blows sometimes. Thankfully. The very thing we love about people, such as the Aries dynamism and quick to act approach to life, is the thing that drives us nuts as well. If the Aries energy and thrust, and Leo need to express get backed up, then you've REALLY got problems. I had a five placement Leo (Leo rising) for most of my life and I learned to get out of the way of the explosions or just witness them in awe. Until I eventually learned how to join in after a few cosmic cocktails!

Peg, this is music to my ears. And that is exactly what I always say verbatim..the Hatfields and the McCoys. I still think that Bush might have been set up for this. Kerry is on the Rothschild side, I understand, and a lot of them must favor him.

I'm going to go saddle my steed and head out for a while.

What fun this has been!

Later....Love you all.

A small.but important story..............
On my Topix Net this am, from a small town paper in Wisc.
They made a voting error! Someone recorded 366 votes for Bush, when it should have been 266. Out of a possible 416 voters, only 407 voted. So there wasn't even a remote chance of Kerry winning in that town. ( It sounds llike a case of dyslexic sleepy poll worker more than illegal voting activity......
The fact that they felt they needed to post the article sounds like a case of 'buyers remorse" to me......any one agree?????
Jo,
I charge $10. per lesson, which comes out to 1/2 the amount they are charging for a full week. Yes, the "yuppies" are at it again! My daughter has the same thing in the Catskills.
But then I chose real over chic when I moved here. There is a very real "class' seperation between here and Bar Harbor only 45 miles away...it might be on another continent!
No news on E's illness........at last an apt. to see the pulmonologist next Weds. We're thinking it's a combination of the insulation and the high powered cleaning fluid at the plant.
A really off beat uranian, thing. Finally the Dr's have moved off their comfy "in the box" explainations and are looking for other solutions! As for the parasites. ????????
Jonathan,
Glad you didn't stay away.......it's "hard work" sometimes expressing yourself this way. ( e-mail) At least for me..........I don't know how I sound 'till I get feedback!
Remember my first post?????? I copied the Kerry bashing letter from my Repug friend, and was taken at face value until I expressed my absolute indignation at receiving it.
Gotta clear the line, so E can call his son
PQ

Jo....I never have ANY ideas of how to support myself....I am clueless...but that is a good idea you suggest on teaching children art....I wonder, given the high rents in the SF Bay area, though, if it would even be possible. Artists can't even find a place to rent for themselves...but thanks for jolting my brain, Jo!

This is off topic, completely, but it is important that I spread the word.
This is for those of you already on Medicare, or going into the program in the next 6 months to a year, and for those of you going in eventually....I spent a good 90 minutes today in a meeting at my mom's nursing home in a presentation from the Medicare Information for Californians organization on the drastic changes coming on 1/1/06 to Medicare D. (Drug prescriptions)

This is about the Medicare Drug program changes, and it is a doozy and will affect EVERY SINGLE PERSON in it. You will start getting mailings soon (I am not on Medicare...I administer my mom's...I'm not old enough to go into it yet, but sure glad to know about this - of course, I have NO insurance at all since turning 60 and having premiums triple).....just be sure to understand that EVERY state has a health insurance Counseling and Advocacy program....the one for CA residents is 1-800-434-0222. Each state has them, although they go by different names. You can probably find them in the county Health and Human services listings.

The woman giving the presentation said that the book Medicare was printing up and RUSHING through was so full of innacuracies and dangerously awful info that when the Representative in Congress ( they must be oversighting the program, our tax payers dollars at work) that they made them stop printing and correct everything...from what she said, it is important for everyone receiving mailings to KEEP the envelope the mailing came in along with EVERYTHING you are sent . Some of these programs will be punitive if you screw up and opt out...these are rules made by bureaucrats, not medical people....look out also , because since these programs will all be coming from PRIVATE corporations, there will be scammers, and sometimes the envelopes also don't have medicare logos on them....read everything anyway. And everyone will be PAYING a co pay for their drugs...everytime. There are a number of different ones, so try to find the Counseling (HiCap in CA) number and set up a session for yourself if you don't understand what is going on.

Sorry....now you can return to your regular station.

Hmmmm...Mars 8 Aries, MC/Venus/Pluto/Moon/No.Node/Chiron in Leo....I am exhausted by incredulity at our country.

Well, Jonathan I thought you sounded cool. I have Venus in Aries on the cusp of my 3rd house and people always perceive me as Xena having a bad day! This is dispite have a Pisces Moon!
As far as being Psychic goes I think that everyone is, they just need practice. Do you find it "easier" to read for others more than for yourself? That was a common occurance at the Chapel of Prayer back in Houston that I used to go to in the early 90s. I've enjoyed the talks about dreams and psychic subjects like we used to get into then. [An arsenist burned it down in 96.]Everyone has their talent, just keep searching and practicing. I have my North Node at 26Sag45 so yipee Pluto's coming!

Lots of information at the links:

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/001590.html

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/cat_los_alamos_and_labs.html

Los Alamos Whistleblower Assaulted

Los Alamos whistleblower "Tommy Hook is still hospitalized today after being brutally assaulted over the weekend," the Project on Government Oversight is saying. "A group of three to four assailants threatened Hook to keep silent, in apparent reference to his upcoming Congressional testimony on fraud at Los Alamos."

Mr. Hook was slated to testify before the House Energy and Commerce Committee this month. Congressional staff from the Committee were already scheduled to arrive Tuesday, June 7th to investigate Tommy Hook's allegations. Also flying out tomorrow is the Project On Government Oversight's Senior Investigator Peter Stockton who investigated the 1974 murder of nuclear whistleblower Karen Silkwood in his previous position as a Congressional investigator.

Mr. Hook had planned at the end of last week to meet an individual who claimed to have corroborating information about fraud at Los Alamos. That individual never attended the meeting. Late Saturday evening, someone who might have been posing as that individual called Mr. Hook and asked to meet with him at a bar in Santa Fe. He went to the bar and waited but that person never showed up. When Mr. Hook got into his car to leave, attackers pulled him out of the car and brutally assaulted him. The assailants threatened Mr. Hook to keep silent. A bouncer at the bar intervened and broke up the attack. Mr. Hook was hospitalized in an Emergency Room with severe trauma to his face and head, including a fractured jaw, and a herniated disk. He is heavily medicated today and unable to speak to the media.

Mr. Hook and whistleblower Chuck Montano appeared on the CBS Evening News earlier this year. Audit reports conducted by Mr. Hook and Mr. Montano in 2002-2004 found a disturbing pattern of financial irregularities in the Los Alamos Lab's procurement division. In compliance with Department of Energy (DOE) requirements, Mr. Hook and Mr. Montano produced a report assessing the Lab's contracting operations. Lab supervisors refused to allow the report to be submitted to DOE, instead submitting a report that glossed over the problems identified by Mr. Hook and Mr. Montano.

Although a lab spokesman once told the Albuquerque Journal's Adam Rankin that "retaliation against whistleblowers is not tolerated," the fact is that Los Alamos officials have been pretty vicious with whistleblowers in years past. But the assaults have always been financial, or political, up until now. I've never heard of anything like this.

There's going to be a conference call with Hook's wife and his partner, Montano, in a few hours. I'll let you know what happens.

THERE'S MORE: The conference call is done. Details are above, here. And background on Hook's long war with Los Alamos management is here.

AND MORE: As John notes, "Interfering with a witness is against the law. Let's hope the GOP Congress does something about this."

Oh, yeah, for all you creative types, have you gone to Sark's site? She is fun.
http://www.planetsark.com/

Jonathan, (and all the other artists) funny your dream took place in a classroom....I got a book for my birthday from my artist/writer friend from Art Center....it is called How to Paint a Vermeer and is filled with the author's paintings which are exhibitions of his skills AS a painter, using themes from paintings which are famous historically (this is also a school of painting!). Using puns , he has repainted famous paintings which represent a 'school' of painting. So in his Vermeers, or the Ashcan School, whatever 'school' he is working on, he repaints (reinterprets) the famous painting....with at least 10 school desks in the front 1/3 of the painting....makes you feel like you are still in school in the back row and looking at a live painting taking place....

Very well painted, also...no amateur at all! However, Jonathan, I have no explanation for your dream other than you tapped into a soon to happen scenario somewhere.....and perhaps here. We're mad as hell and ain't gonna take it no more!

Jill G......didn't anyone pick up during the sessions of learning to be psychic that someone would burn the Chapel of Prayer down? LOL....

and what a shame, too....just shows you how threatening psychic skills are to people......what a waste.

Sidney Blumenthal: Nixon's Empirs Strike Back

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5211614-103677,00.html

This should cause a lot of heads to explode.
Top House Democrat Charles Rangel complained on Monday that the Bush administration's decision to concoct a "fraudulent" war in Iraq was as bad as "the Holocaust."
"It's the biggest fraud ever committed on the people of this country," Rangel told WWRL Radio's Steve Malzberg and Karen Hunter. "This is just as bad as six million Jews being killed. The whole world knew it and they were quiet about it, because it wasn't their ox that was being gored."
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The Harlem Democrat charged that top Bush officials "made up mind to go into Iraq long before 9/11. And every one of the players who made this decision - they were part of this plan to do it - from Rumsfeld, to Cheney, Wolfowitz, Bolton - every one of them - Perle - plan to put our kids in harm's way long before 9/11."
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"I am saying that people's silence when they know terrible things are happening is the same thing as the Holocaust, where everyone would have me believe that no one knew those Jews were killed over there."
News Max

I forgot to mention one other thing about the new drug coverage thing....if you or anyone you know was a 20 year veteran of the service, get into their heath program before the end of the year....it is excellent. (Tri Star or something like that?) And for ALL other Vets, run don't walk, to the nearest VA center and sign up with them, even if you don't use it....because they will accept no new applicants after 12/31/05....

role model for our future?
SANTIAGO, Chile, June 8 (Reuters) - Chile's LAN Airlines and U.S. carrier American Airlines, two top regional carriers, said on Wednesday they had suspended flights to La Paz, Bolivia, after weeks of violent protests there.
LAN Airlines , one of Latin America's leading passenger and cargo airline groups, said it suspended flights between Arica, in northern Chile, and La Paz for Wednesday and Thursday. The Arica-La Paz route, which LAN flies five times a week, is the airline's only Bolivia flight.
American Airlines said it had suspended flights to La Paz, Bolivia's administrative capital, but continued service to Santa Cruz, which is the country's wealthiest city and home of the business elite.
Protests that began in Bolivia last month intensified this week as tens of thousands of miners and peasants armed with sticks of dynamite and rocks swept into La Paz to demand nationalization of the country's energy resources.

re the DSMemo....someone on DU said that he asked this question on Yahoo discussion group forum and got 'locked out'...
"How soon before the first gulf war did Poppy Bush plan to attack Iraq?"

He was unable to use Yahoo after that and get back into the discussion. Others said it had happened to them also....

I think this is a good question to ask, don't you? It's gotta be the same group promoting both wars. Wish I had time to read PNAC, but Uranus has kept my tail in perpetual motion....

What was the name of that Yahoo! Discussion Group, Judi Gemeni?

I'll kick that f***ing Republican Moderator in that Yahoo! Discussion Group so hard in the nuts he won't be making any more babies after that!!!

In the meantime, Judi Gemeni, please complain to the Yahoo! Administrators, so they can look at it. make sure you are specific in your complaint so they can take care of it for you.

Wait, some of you got back in. I take that back. However, if you ARE kicked out by a Republican Moderator who does not agree with your views, tell Yahoo! at once so they can kick that Mods butt for abusing his or her powers.

I have no problem with another asserting "the recognition of individual significance (self importance)" ---- as long as they don't attempt to negate another's POV in the process. Sort of like individual rights --- folks like to assert they can do as they please... but they may not, if it infringes upon the rights of others.

I agree with Sharon that respect and acceptance of the other's POV is a worthwhile goal. One of the biggest problems today in communication and relations period, is lack of manners... in fact, we could eliminate warfare if we were more concerned with rules of engagement... imho

Isn't this part of the problem in government? GOP wants to throw out established rules of filibuster and other procedures that protect the minority view?

What's so important about the Self anyway? One does not have to inflate one's importance in order to assert one's power. Everyone has personal power, some simply choose to give it away. And no one can take it from you, unless you allow it. On the other hand, look what feelings of self-importance have done to the Rez... he would deny anyone else power in order to inflate his own feeling of 'self-importance' --- which when analyzed merely indicates he probably has low self esteem.

In my own analysis, there is no "Self" --- it is illusion, a trick of the mind. So, where's the importance - in an illusion?

Here is a gross lack of manners or is it lack of diplomacy? And Bolton isn't even in yet!
US Denies French Fighters Emergency Landing Rights

http://www.counterpunch.com/lindorff06072005.html

My God I painted a mural in an apt. overlooking that AC commmercial airport.........IT'S TINY!
( the airport not the apt.!)
PQ

Jonathan, Pat C, might somone convince either of you to do personal readings again? My email address can be found by clicking on my name(and anyone who wants to email me, go ahead, I welcome all correspondence and promise to read all!!!)

And Marta--thanks for that caution after my post---I just can't help but think though, that our military would only do this type of thing as constitutionally as possible to restore, not to conquer---however, not being a seer, I've been wrong bfore (and my optimism has led me astray previously too....)

Namaste all and love and light---long live the collective!

Prelude to Breakdown?

or

I can't believe Pluto's not in Capricorn?

http://urbansurvival.com/week.htm

Consumer Scramble

There must not be much on television that appeals to the people of Johns Island, South Carolina, as we read a report about a brawl over a single package of cigarettes. This is an amazing tale because of what we see coming later on this year on a couple of fronts. Let me explain.

Amazon sent me a note last night that my copy of Matt Simmons' new book, Twilight in the Desert, which explains how the world oil situation is about to blow up, has finally been shipped. Most consumers seem pretty complacent about oil prices now (and we will top off our propane tank at the ranch shortly) because the SPR (Strategic Petroleum Reserve) is back to about full and gas is $2.50 here in L.A.

But it's not likely to last very long - in fact, word I have gotten from two loyal readers who are well connected in the Louisiana and Texas Oil Patch tell me the big crunch will come with the fall heating oil season. And that, of course, assumes a normal summer and no weather problems in the Gulf which is still going through clean up from last year's named storms. This year the official expectation is for 12-15 named storms and the web bots keep talking about massive destruction of the US food supply by flooding of some time later this year.

Now couple this less than rosy view with the word out in the past couple of days that the Australian Drought of 2005 is killing grain production in Oz. Down a whopping 29%.

The main oil pipeline in the north of Iraq has been bombed again - bringing back to mind the question "What are we fighting for again?" in that zone.

Now back to the cigarette story: If people will brawl in semi-rural Johns Island SC for a pack of smokes, tell me what the major inner city portion of America will look like in a year, or less, as food heads skywards along with energy prices as the reality of Peak Oil jitters through the marketplace.

The Big Whack at GM: 25,000 to get Axed

GM is trying every way it can to cut expenses, stay in business, and turn out a good product. One solution they floated at today's shareholder meeting: They are planning to lay off 25,000 people over the next three years. While this is a "biggie" today - and it doesn't do anything for the White House hype about job creation which you probably already see through - it's a natural outcome of Peak Oil - and we'll go so far as to say this will only be the tip of the iceberg.

The US is in the midst of what will turn into a horrible and gut wrenching experience for millions of people as economic laws are played out destroying pensions, wiping out whole classes of manufacturing, and causing ruin for families. All because in our view, we entered a Second Great Depression in the US when the dotcom bubble burst - and we have been putting off paying the piper by reducing debt - and so as it all unfolds now it will be 10-times (or more) worse than it would have had to be. Thank the Big Lie corporatists with their talk of free trade (without purchasing power wage parity) and the easy money gang at the Fed. Speaking of which...

Greenspan Suspends Laws of Economics

Just because we see an inverted yield curve coming, doesn't mean we should expect a slowdown. At least that's what's going through Allan Greenspan's thinking. OK, let me put it to you this way: This means one of two possibilities: Either a) Greenspan has suspended some of the basic principals of economics or b) He can say that because the markets are so jiggered by interventions! Either way, it stinks.

http://urbansurvival.com/week.htm

Anyone in Louisiana getting that sinking feeling? Well, don't run to Texas -- it may follow you there

IS TEXAS NEXT?
Coast leaving scientists with a sinking feeling
Controversial NOAA report says Louisiana's shores plunging fast — are Texas' next?
By ERIC BERGER
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle

By century's end, much of southern Louisiana may sink into the Gulf of Mexico. The Texas coastline, including Galveston, could soon follow.

That's the sobering — and controversial — conclusion of a new report published by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration that finds the northern Gulf of Mexico is sinking much faster than geologists thought.

The report centers on the humble benchmark, a small metal disk bolted to the ground, that provides a standard elevation above sea level for land surveying and mapping as well as determining flood-prone areas.

But there's one problem with benchmarks: They don't give reliable elevation readings if they're sinking along with everything else.

That's what the geologists who wrote the NOAA report say is happening in Louisiana: The yardstick is broken. Instead of minimal geologic subsidence along most of the Louisiana coast, as previously thought, the state's entire coastal region is sinking at least 5 feet every century.

And although a number of local officials disagree with the report's conclusions about Texas, here's a scary thought: Similar forces could well be at work just a few miles south of Houston.

"Subsidence doesn't stop at the Texas border," said Roy Dokka, a co-author of the NOAA report and a Louisiana State University geologist.

A colleague of Dokka's in Houston, the editor of the Houston Geological Society Bulletin, is more blunt in his assessment of the report. "Galveston," says geologist Arthur Berman, "is history."

Flooding a major threat

The report already has ignited debate in Louisiana. If that state's coast continues to sink, its multibillion-dollar plan to protect coastal cities and wetlands from flooding has targeted the wrong problem, erosion. Every building on land certified as safe from flooding may, in fact, be in danger if Louisiana's benchmarks are flawed. And levees thought to protect New Orleans from a Category 3 hurricane might fail even if a moderate Category 2 storm struck the Big Easy.

Texas could have similar problems if its benchmark elevations are flawed. The National Hurricane Center bases its storm-surge models on benchmarks, as do emergency planners trying to determine when key evacuation routes might flood.

Houston felt the problem acutely during Tropical Storm Allison when benchmarks indicated that certain areas, such as some Texas Medical Center buildings, should not have flooded even in the torrent of rain produced by that storm.

"We know that a lot of benchmarks in Texas are inaccurate," said Gary Jeffress, a mapping specialist at Texas A&M University-Corpus Christi.

Sorry, forgot the link for more info:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printstory.mpl/topstory/3210967

Sally, you were absolutely dead-on about Taft! Ohio Dems are now calling for his recall because of "Coingate"! It's just too bad that there's actually no law on Ohio's Constitution providing for the recall of a Governor. So, unless someone digs up some long forgotten law, we're probably stuck with him here for 2 more years. Bah!

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State loses $215 million(!)
Investment mess leads to calls for Taft's recall
Wednesday, June 08, 2005
Sandy Theis, Julie Carr Smyth and T.C. Brown
Plain Dealer Bureau

Columbus - A politically connected investment firm lost $215 million in Bureau of Workers' Compensation money, triggering an agency shake-up, a wide-ranging criminal investigation and calls by Democrats for Gov. Bob Taft's recall.

Losses by the Pittsburgh-based MDL Capital Management dwarf the estimated $10 million to $13 million missing from BWC's rare-coin investments and raise new questions about the abilities of former bureau administrator Jim Conrad, who initially soft-pedaled information that surfaced about the losing investments.

Agency officials believe the losses are among the largest by a single money manager in BWC history, but emphasize that the $14 billion portfolio is solvent and the losses will not hurt businesses or injured workers.

But they could have ramifications for Taft, who has been forced to backtrack from his earlier defense of Republican fund-raiser Tom Noe's handling of $55.4 million in coin investments for the bureau.

"Let's start looking at how we recall Taft," said Senate Minority Leader C.J. Prentiss, a Cleveland Democrat. "The buck stops with him - and he's just lost $200 million."

MDL has been fired, and investigators are inquiring about the firm's human resources manager, Mildred "Mimi" Forbes, daughter of Bureau of Workers' Compensation Oversight Board member George Forbes. The panel approves all BWC investments.

BWC interim Director Tina Kielmeyer said in an interview that she first heard of problems with the MDL investment last September from a staff member she did not identify. She immediately informed then-Administrator Conrad, who learned that MDL had lost about $7 million in state money the previous March.

Despite the March losses, the bureau twice gave MDL more public money to invest in May and September. The state invested a total of $355 million with MDL and lost $215 million.

The bureau's questionable investments ultimately led to Conrad's resignation. The MDL losses also led to the forced resignation in October of Terry Gasper, the bureau's long-time chief financial officer, and a review by a special counsel. Another top BWC official, chief investment officer Jim McLean, was put on paid leave Tuesday.

Kielmeyer said a review this year by the department's external investment consultant attributed 85 percent of MDL's losses to actions the firm took outside of its state contract.

More -- http://www.cleveland.com/budgetscandal/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/111822309248360.xml&coll=2

I noticed that the hysterical pitch has returned to Bush's voice and his Texas accent has been revved up again. And terror is on the march again. Back to Act I.

I feel sometimes like we are still in the campaign. Kerry is about to make an important speech. People are on pins and needles. I think that might be part of what's got Bush so upset. He was on a little speech making roll, all puffed up. It goes back to their Yale days. We know he's no expert. Now with his Saturn on his Saturn.
And Mr. Cicero, himself, is in the wings. Preparing.

PHOENIX FIVE EARTH CHANGES BULLETIN
> June 8, 2005 by MW Mandeville
>
> BULLETIN ITEM: The Republicrat Junk Yard Dog Machine Is Now Focused On Destroying Dean
>
> MWM: Other than Kucinich, who appears to be the least slick white man in politics on the East Coast....the least "political", the least conventional, the least full of the platitudes which pass for thinking in the upper reaches of crazy white man world, as known on the Eastern Seaboard - in other words, who is the odd man out?
>
>
> Why it is Howard Dean, the ex Family Doctor...
>
> Do you remember how the anti-war crowd flocked to Dean and made him a national public contender for President? Do you remember how the National Broadcast Mass Hysteria Media then re-invented Dean into a clumsy gaffe and induced the national media to laugh at Dean's country manners for a couple of weeks while the Republicrat establishment hastily created a substitute who was more complicit with their group mindf....Kerry...and immeidately dumped in tons of resources and money to make Kerry the foil for the BushRove Junk Yard Dog Attack?
>
> Do you remember how the local Democrats this Winter decided the national democratic organization was worthless and that a new national Democratic Party needed to be invented? Do you remember how the County Chairman of many a State, especially the Western States, put the national Democrats on notice and went to the National Party Committee Meeting and voted Dean in as the new Chairman of the Democratic Party? They voted him in to change the tenor of Democratic politics about expressing the voice of real democrats....
>
> Well he is doing it and the National Republicrat establishment is already mobilizing to attack him and force him odd man out again. Their stragegy appears to be to continue to ridicule him, to turn him into a garish media image of a buffoon who of course will be purely imaginary. The right wing is very poor at reality and truth, accordingly they must invent fantasies to serve as foils for their barbs.
>
>
> Newsview: Some Democrats Angry With Dean
> Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean, shown in this April 8, 2005 photo, defended his recent harsh criticism of Republicans, including his observation that they are "pretty much a white, Christian party." DANNY JOHNSTON
> June 08, 2005 4:06 PM EDT
>
> WASHINGTON - When Howard Dean opens his mouth, Democrats cringe - and Republicans pounce. His depictions of Republicans as "pretty much a white, Christian party," with many who "never made an honest living," have prompted top Democrats to beseech him to cool his rhetoric. They also have questioned how much more the party will take from its volatile chairman.
>
> Defenders dismiss it all as just Howard Dean being Howard Dean.
>
> After all, remember the Dean "scream" after the Iowa primary? His political courtship of "the guys with Confederate flags on their pickup trucks"? His recent suggestion that House Majority Leader Tom DeLay return to Houston to serve jail time?
>
> Dean's enthusiasm - the same he demonstrated in his 2004 presidential campaign - is helping to energize the party's core, his supporters say. But critics suggested Wednesday that Dean's darts are threatening fundraising and may be driving away the GOP moderates and independents the party needs to court as it rebuilds from its 2004 defeats.
>
> Dean's "white Christian" remarks have drawn sharp criticism from Republicans and Democrats alike.
>
> "That's not the way you distinguish someone's politics," said Dick Harpootlian, former South Carolina Democratic chairman. "It forces us to distance ourselves from him."
>
> GOP Party Chairman Ken Mehlman joked that "a lot of folks who attended my Bar Mitzvah would be surprised" he heads a Christian party.
>
> Leading Democrats, including some with their eye on the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, are increasingly vocal in their criticism of the former Vermont governor's choice of words - while praising him as a party organizer.
>
> Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware and 2004 Democratic vice presidential nominee John Edwards said Dean didn't speak for them. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, in New Hampshire on Wednesday, called Dean's comments "ill-advised."
>
> House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., told reporters she disagreed with Dean's line on Republicans, saying, "I don't think (it) was a helpful statement."
>
> When such high-profile Democrats make such comments publicly, "that to me is a pretty clear message that the party leadership would like a change in focus from the party chairman," said Democratic consultant Doug Schoen, who did polling for President Clinton.
>
> "I think it's a question of priorities," Schoen said.
>
> Dean said Wednesday that Republican attacks on him were intended to divert attention from the country's problems and make him the issue instead. He refused to back down from his remarks on Republicans, saying the GOP "unfortunately, by and large" was as he described it.
>
> "And they have the agenda of the conservative Christians," Dean told NBC's "Today" show, ignoring the fact that much of the recent criticism has come from fellow Democrats, not Republicans.
>
> Dean is "the loose canon on the deck of the Democratic Party," said James Thurber, an American University political scientist. "He doesn't have the discipline many in the party wish he had."
>
> His remarks, together with caustic comments about President Bush by Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., are souring Americans on politicians and "getting in the way of what the Democrats are trying to do," Thurber said.
>
> Dean told a political forum Monday that Republicans are "not very friendly to different kinds of people, they are a pretty monolithic party ... it's pretty much a white, Christian party."
>
> Last week, he told liberal activists, "A lot of them (Republicans) have never made an honest living in their lives." He later said he was talking mostly about GOP leaders.
>
> The torrent of criticism from Republicans, and some Democrats, just shows that Dean "is held to different standards" than other party leaders because of his high public profile and well-known personality traits, said Kathleen Sullivan, New Hampshire Democratic Party chief.
>
> "Howard's been raising money, energizing the troops, organizing the party. Is he passionate? Yes. But I'd rather have someone who is blunt and passionate," Sullivan said.
>
> Despite concerns of some Democrats that Dean doesn't have the polished fundraising skills of his predecessor, Terry McAuliffe, Dean outraised McAuliffe in the first three months of 2005 compared with the first quarter of 2003, the last off-election year: $13.8 million to $8.4 million. However, Dean's team is drawing on the benefits of an improved database of donors McAuliffe put together.
>
> While Dean's job doesn't seem to be in any immediate jeopardy, Republicans have been having a field day with his verbal grenades.
>
> "Last week's scandal was Deep Throat. This week's scandal was Dean's throat and apparently Dean likes the taste of his own foot," said Ron Bonjean, a spokesman for House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill.
>
> Said former Democratic National Committee Chairman Don Fowler: "If Republicans get mad at what Howard Dean says, that's probably a pretty good sign."

> ---
> EDITOR'S NOTE - Tom Raum has covered Washington for The Associated Press since 1973, including five presidencies.
>
> MWM's NOTE - Who is Tom Raum? Whom did he vote for?

> Best Wishes, Michael Wells Mandeville,
> The Hills of Arizona USA at mwman@earthlink.net
> Master Website Index is at: http://www.michaelmandeville.com

Torture's Part of the Territory
by Naomi Klein

Brace yourself for a flood of gruesome new torture snapshots. Last week, a federal judge ordered the Defense Department to release dozens of additional photographs and videotapes depicting prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib.

~snip~

Lacking consent, the current U.S.-Iraqi regime relies heavily on fear, including the most terrifying tactics of them all: disappearances, indefinite detention without charge and torture. And despite official reassurances, it's only getting worse. A year ago, President Bush pledged to erase the stain of Abu Ghraib by razing the prison to the ground. There has been a change of plans. Abu Ghraib and two other U.S.-run prisons in Iraq are being expanded, and a new 2,000-person detention facility is being built, with a price tag of $50 million. In the last seven months alone, the prison population has doubled to a staggering 11,350.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0607-21.htm

Garry, I am so very complimented that you would ask. I stopped doing readings a long time ago though. I know you will find someone out there. You might also try an astrology reading of your natal chart.

Jo, wow.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2005/06/09/impeachment/print.html
The I-word
Ralph Nader says the Downing Street memo is grounds to debate the impeachment of the president. Four constitutional scholars weigh the issue

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/06/09/press_and_downing_street_memo/print.html

Bush lied about war? Nope, no news there!
Why did it take more than a month for the U.S. press to report on the serious revelations in the Downing Street memo?
By Eric Boehlert
 
 
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2005/06/09/baghdad_bob/print.html

The revenge of Baghdad Bob
Bush's ludicrous statements about Iraq are increasingly reminiscent of the propaganda spouted by the former spokesman for the Iraqi regime -- except that they're not funny
By Juan Cole

Of course no one really cares about the torture in Iraq... the Downing Street Memo is being mumbled about... but *supporters call it a 'lie' - amazing isn't it? How important it is for some folks to cling to their 'truth' ---

Naomi Klein makes a profound statement above:

"There are only two ways to govern - by consent or fear."

Which brings us to our own peculiar form at the moment here in the good ol' US of A --- certainly we are not being governed by consent, given 2000 saw the Rez selected and 2004 saw him re-selected through the electronic voting boxes. So, if we are not being governed by consent, we are being governed by FEAR...

Young grandson is giving me an elementary course in Star Wars, all six episodes. We are going through them one by one, and he is explaining all the nuances this aged grandma fails to see... One thing I am seeing is a good many quotes. Yoda in "The Empire Strikes Back" states that "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hatred, and hatred leads to suffering." In fact it is 'fear' that enables the return of the Sith Lords.

Yoda also defines us all as "luminous Beings" --- now where have I heard that one before? And he states that the reason we "don't do" is because we 'think' we "can't do" ---

Fear is the number one tool being utilized by the fascists... starting with events of 9/11. We were moved to anger, and then some searched their souls for understanding. Others screamed "nuke em"... and some moved to hatred --- of various groups: Muslims, Arabs, Libruls, Gays. While a few of us have tried to focus on 'truth'...

Question is: for whom is the suffering? Victims or Perpetrators? Or, all but a few?

There is much talk of Brussels and elitists. They are mere men (and women), whomever 'they' are. And capable of mistakes in strategy. It appears to me that some plans cannot be sustained and are doomed to failure. The economy of this nation is an illusion, one which may collapse at any moment. It is being sustained by other illusions... created by flawed design. Elitists are just as capable of mistake as we... the only difference being the amount of largesse they have acquired (stolen) from the rest of us. Their greed has brought them to the brink. The house of cards will fall.

Those who do not 'consent' will rise up... the question is not 'if' there will be struggle/violence... the question is 'when'.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0506/S00116.htm

Another Downing St Memo – Wrongfooting Saddam

Thursday, 9 June 2005, 4:37 pm
Article: The Scoop Editor

SCOOP EDITOR'S NOTE: The following is a transcript of another document leaked to the media concerning the build up to the Iraq war. It concerns a discussion in early 2002 between the UK Ambassador to the US and then Deputy Defence Secretary Paul Wolfowitz.
Importantly the following document appears to confirm the thrust of the allegations made concerning the so-called "Downing Street Memo", namely that the Bush Administration had already made up its mind to go to war against Iraq before it began the diplomatic offensive in the second half of 2002.

The transcript that follows was transcribed by a member of the Democratic Underground forums from the PDF version posted online. Some of the typos are from the original. Emphasis has been added to key passages.

– Scoop Co-Editor Alastair Thompson

More...

Jo perhaps i shall have to go rent the starwars videos, i wonder if my vcr still works....been awhile.

Still pondering comments here and went to look at the 20 March 2003 chart from energy points i am uncovering in ancient scandinavian myth...you astrologers can weave this better than i.

Pluto was sitting at 19sag this correlates to the point of Alexander al-lexi-ander = one lesson of spirit. It is the moment (12 Dec)in the solar year when we look at the lesson of the past year and prepare for the lesson of the new cycle.

On 20 March 2003 Hel whose name means heal; the union of dark and light was sitting with the north node at 3 Gem. Perhaps she was asking us to consider the future we are making and to look particularly at our dualtity how do we heal the dis-union?. As I recall before the war most americans were oppossed to war as a solution. We did find our voice but have not yet found the solution to overcoming the forces in motion.

The north node monved on crossing Caput Algol we lost our heads and many did in fact lose theirs in the bloody days that followed. Taurus is an intersting place where we learn about what we value in the material/ natural world. Perhaps why Buddha was born taurus. Here too we see the differing view of the north for the point of caput Algol is seen as the point of Eric (26taur)=leader of men. One who fights injustice.

What i find so interesting now is that Hel is backing up through capricorn and will station at 29sag27 on August 11 she will spend a few days there. This is her home (maybe?), the solstice gate in the natural year cycle when her two halves tomas/ellen join. The light/ memory (ellen) is passed through the gate to Tomas (void / darkness) and he then remembers the langueage of animals and how to dance in the joy of green world....
meanwhile we will have a long transit of mars through taurus. Both ellen and tomas the two halves of Hel will be in taurus for much of the journey.
This summer solstice is of interest, as well, the full moon is on the day of Alfie or alvin (elf friend). Alf are the light ones. Perhpas you remember hearing of Gandalf he was the last king named in Heimskringla to rule the land between what is now Norway west coast Sweden. (Tolkien simply retold old myth) Myth is just history maybe a bit fuzzy. The end of that great cycle was the beginning of this modern one and if we are at the end of this cycle perhaps it is time to look at the beginning? Silly things going through my head during the night.
do they make sense to anyone? Does the timeframe of 11-15 August resonate astrologically with anyone?

tseka....wonderful idea, look at the end to see the beginning. I have to run out...you said July 13 was my name day....I really didn't understand it as I am completely ignorant of Hel and the northern myths, although I did read Tolkien!

Judy G 13 july is your namnsdag your name day judit is july 13. Sorry i don't know the energy of that nameday maybe you can tell me? On namnsdag you get to celebrate your second "birthday" with an extra piece of cake with yur coffee....

I have some very good friends from Sweden (and Norway) and remember the name day celebrations. Also, I remember at Christmas the little girls wore crowns of leaves with lit candles! It's a beautiful culture with lots of connection to nature, am I right?

Garry, not to worry. However and in comment to your kind post, having grown up an "army brat' in the US military and then moving to Chile at age 17 to a military dictatorship I can tell you that we DEFINITELY DO NOT WANT THIS TO HAPPEN. If you think the neo-cons are stupid and rigid ... you ain't seen nothin'. The military is the ultimate "rule-master". They do not profess to a democratic tradition - can't, people are supposed to follow orders without question (so, even if they uphold the constitution currently - all will change once they're in power). If they become the "rulers" they will be tremendously paternalistic and will stamp out dissent like nothing you have ever seen before. And yeah, we like to think the military would want to restore our democracy, so did the Chilean military which had a fine tradition of "upholding" the Chilean constitution. But power corrupts and since all military is paternalistic, "daddy knows best", it will take another "revolution" to get them out.

Anyone read "The Handmaid's Tale" by Margaret Atwood? Very interesting book on a Military Dictatorship taking over the US.

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And Marta--thanks for that caution after my post---I just can't help but think though, that our military would only do this type of thing as constitutionally as possible to restore, not to conquer---however, not being a seer, I've been wrong bfore (and my optimism has led me astray previously too....)

Marta
i don't know if you will find this here as a new thread has begun...i am in complete agreement with you and am concerned. WE the people need to be running things and never be giving our power away to the paternalistic...this is what got us where we are today nd not just in our government. if you look, wanting someone else to make it all go away, amke it better has taken its toll on health care as well. We thought in the 50's science was gonna fix it...

i am watching south america and mexico with great interest at the moment.

I agree with you .
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