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I'm sorry I passed the magic number of 250 posts before I got to the New Thread. I am taking a (what I consider well deserved) break from work this weekend and didn't get another article up.

Mars is at 20 degrees Pisces so things might be or feel a little snappish to the 20/21/22 degrees of Mutable signs, be patient. Mars also squares US Mars and opposes Neptune, more violence and new names to add to the Memorial Day list unfortunately, and perhaps with the opposition to Neptune some new ideas coming from our better selves on how to handle this violence in Iraq. The administration will be hearing the drum beat to "get out" a little loudly as we proceed into next week

Uranus is slowing down to station and turn Retrograde so start expecting the unexpected next week lasting for several weeks.

Thankfully Jupiter is looking around for a chair to sit down as he contemplates his stationary direct period. This is a great and powerful time to get your positive hopes, wishes and dreams out there, particularly if you are a Libra, Aries, Leo, Sagittarius, Aquarius or Gemini. Just imagine and then blow them out to the Universe.

I will leave you with a website to help your imagination along. Just knock on the door.

http://www.duirwaighgallery.com/

Sally Cheyne McDonald on May 29 | Link
Comments

exquisite
many thanks

Posted by: tseka on May 29, 2005 07:32 PM


Clinton exhausted- cancels trip to Maldives...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050528/ap_on_re_as/clinton_7&printer=1

Posted by: wv on May 29, 2005 07:42 PM


Jackson Browne - Lives in the Balance


I’ve been waiting for something to happen
For a week or a month or a year
With the blood in the ink of the headlines
And the sound of the crowd in my ear
You might ask what it takes to remember
When you know that you’ve seen it before
Where a government lies to a people
And a country is drifting to war

And there’s a shadow on the faces
Of the men who send the guns
To the wars that are fought in places
Where their business interest runs

On the radio talk shows and the t.v.
You hear one thing again and again
How the u.s.a. stands for freedom
And we come to the aid of a friend
But who are the ones that we call our friends--
These governments killing their own?
Or the people who finally can’t take any more
And they pick up a gun or a brick or a stone
There are lives in the balance
There are people under fire
There are children at the cannons
And there is blood on the wire

There’s a shadow on the faces
Of the men who fan the flames
Of the wars that are fought in places
Where we can’t even say the names

They sell us the president the same way
They sell us our clothes and our cars
They sell us every thing from youth to religion
The same time they sell us our wars
I want to know who the men in the shadows are
I want to hear somebody asking them why
They can be counted on to tell us who our enemies are
But they’re never the ones to fight or to die
And there are lives in the balance
There are people under fire
There are children at the cannons
And there is blood on the wire

Posted by: wv on May 29, 2005 08:20 PM


More lyrics to Jackson Browne songs - still valid
today...

Posted by: wv on May 29, 2005 08:26 PM

here are the lyrics - sorry

http://www.empirezine.com/spotlight/jackson/livesbal.htm

Posted by: wv on May 29, 2005 08:26 PM


Thanks for that WV, it's erie isn't it especially since it was written before all this. Beautiful song, haunting and chilling

Posted by: Sally on May 29, 2005 08:40 PM

Two-bit Denny's pork.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/28/AR2005052801183.html

Posted by: shylurker on May 29, 2005 08:46 PM

Shylurker, Mr Hastert has Saturn coming to a square to his natal Mars and Mars just went over his South Node, I don't know if he will get that pork or if he does it will come back to bite him.

Posted by: Sally on May 29, 2005 09:05 PM

Inside Hastert, Inc.

http://dailykos.com/story/2005/5/29/131019/724

Posted by: Laurie on May 29, 2005 09:41 PM

Who would be president if Bush, Cheney and Hastert were out of the picture?? Just curious.

Posted by: Laurie on May 29, 2005 09:42 PM

France has officially rejected the constitution of the European Union (EU). The Nethelands votes on the EU Constitution on Wednesday.


Sally, Nancy, what does the natal chart of the European Union, France, and the Netherlands say now about the "possible" future of the European Union.


To some, this was unexpected (thanks to Uranus, now in Pisces), as now, the European Union, France, and many nations will be undergoing darmatic transformations (Pluto, now in Sagittarius). With Saturn in Cancer, the result and the reality of the French rejection of the EU Constitution will be harsh, like a hard slap in the face. Maybe Jupiter in Libra can give us some hope, even though polls right now in the Netherlands ahead of thier vote on the EU Constitution show the "No" beating the "Yes" by a margin of 60 to 40, even though I am not very optimistic about Jupiter's help to the Europeans here at all.


But in any case, Sally, Nancy, what do you think (astrologically) will happen now, given the above-mentioned climate with the French reejction of the EU Constitution on Sunday, and a pretty certain Dutch rejection of the EU Constitution?

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on May 29, 2005 09:59 PM

Think back to Watergate, Nixon, etc. Agnew went FIRST, then Nixon nominated Gerald Ford Vice President; when Nixon resigned, Ford became President.

Don't even have to move to Hastert... but under this scenario, Rez would still be Repug.

* is an empty suit... replacing him doesn't get to the problem. Frankly, if something happened so powerful as to get a Repug-dominated Congress to BRING impeachment charges, it would mean more than impeachment, imho. It would mean a 'revolution' --- as in 'throw the rascals out, all of them'!

* is the son of a CIA man... he has surrounded himself with security since he was selected. I don't 'see' him being harmed physically. Bringing harm to others is more his style.

We are definitely going to have an economic disaster... the question is when. That might end the strangle hold on information... and the scandals might then be exposed.

I simply meditate on the greatest and highest good and try to put one foot in front of the other. Uranus rules my chart and things have been unpredictable enough... tPluto is still in my 4th house, moving closer to oppose my sun exactly for the second time, later this summer. Loved ones are still leaving this plane and will continue to do so, I am sure. Lots of wood chopped, and the water is being carried! Light to all. Namaste

Posted by: Jo on May 29, 2005 10:08 PM

On the last thread I posted one sole man's approach to a troubled society in his graduation speech to the kids he teaches:

"He was so awesome last night giving his speech. He talked about intellect and he talked about heart and kindness and compassion. The kids he was talking to are going to go on to become doctors and astrophysicists and heads of companies... bright, bright kids.
He told me he had to *be* up there what he was telling them to be... courageous (his speech raised a few eyebrows when he introducted politics) and he was warm and loving... he does love those kids. And Ken is a scientist. I'm sure some of the parents expected him to be dry and analytical, he wasn't at all."

Here is an update:

"The graduation speaker, who sat with us at the awards banquet, referenced Ken and his speech the night before at least four times during his talk. Ken was blown away.

All it takes is one person, and then another person."

It's very difficult to break this society's addiction to negativity and pain...bad news... but it is within the realm of possibility.

Posted by: jm on May 29, 2005 11:18 PM

jm - that's quite a story. I wish they could have carried it on C-Span. lol.

Kudos to remarkable teachers.

Posted by: Laurie on May 29, 2005 11:22 PM

Amen, Laurie.

When you fight a brutal primitive enemy with rage and violence you are using the weapon that he has mastered. The chances of winning are small. If you use an alternative method, something that this enemy is unfamiliar with, your chances of winning improve dramatically.

Posted by: jm on May 29, 2005 11:42 PM

Ted Stevens, as president pro tempe of the senate would become pRez if the other three went, followed by Condi.

Posted by: M. on May 29, 2005 11:45 PM

So I am celebrating this Memorial Day by putting the message out into the universe that I will contribute as much as I can to the end of the destruction of another's body as a means of settling conflict.
And I pledge to work forever at improving my own relationship with interpersonal conflict.

Posted by: jm on May 29, 2005 11:50 PM

John Conyers | 100,000 Signatures Needed
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/052905B.shtml

Posted by: Pat C on May 30, 2005 01:01 AM

Links within text

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/5/29/121914/591

Smoking Bullet in the Smoking Gun?
by Congressman John Conyers
Sun May 29th, 2005 at 11:08:35 PDT

Update [2005-5-29 14:8:35 by Armando]: From the diaries by Armando. We generally shy away from promoting the diaries, wonderful and welcome as they are, from our elected officials. I am breaking our general rule here because I think it is a particularly important diary. This diary from the esteemed Congressman is based upon the following story:
THE RAF and US aircraft doubled the rate at which they were dropping bombs on Iraq in 2002 in an attempt to provoke Saddam Hussein into giving the allies an excuse for war, new evidence has shown. The attacks were intensified from May, six months before the United Nations resolution that Tony Blair and Lord Goldsmith, the attorney-general, argued gave the coalition the legal basis for war. By the end of August the raids had become a full air offensive. The details follow the leak to The Sunday Times of minutes of a key meeting in July 2002 at which Blair and his war cabinet discussed how to make “regime change” in Iraq legal. Geoff Hoon, then defence secretary, told the meeting that “the US had already begun ‘spikes of activity’ to put pressure on the regime”. The new information, obtained by the Liberal Democrats, shows that the allies dropped twice as many bombs on Iraq in the second half of 2002 as they did during the whole of 2001, and that the RAF increased their attacks even more quickly than the Americans did. ... Tommy Franks, the allied commander, has since admitted this operation was designed to “degrade” Iraqi air defences in the same way as the air attacks that began the 1991 Gulf war. It was not until November 8 that the UN security council passed resolution 1441, which threatened Iraq with “serious consequences” for failing to co-operate with the weapons inspectors. The briefing paper prepared for the July meeting — the same document that revealed the prime minister’s agreement during a summit with President George W Bush in April 2002 to back military action to bring about regime change — laid out the American war plans. ... The systematic targeting of Iraqi air defences appears to contradict Foreign Office legal guidance appended to the leaked briefing paper which said that the allied aircraft were only “entitled to use force in self-defence where such a use of force is a necessary and proportionate response to actual or imminent attack from Iraqi ground systems”.
These are revelations of not only systematic efforts to bring a war against Iraq in most of 2002, it appears to be evidence that war was BEING CONDUCTED against Iraq in 2002. Representative Conyers provides us some new information on the question he has presented to Secretaryof Defense Rumsfled and an action item.

This morning I read the new revelations, again the London Times, that British and U.S. aircraft had substantially stepped up their bombing activity in the summer of 2002 in an effort to "goad Saddam into War." If true, we would seem to have the "smoking bullet" to the "smoking gun" of the Downing Street Memo.

I have prepared a letter to Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld detailing these new charges and asking for his response (see extended entry). Since the House is out of session next week, I plan to submit it by myself on Tuesday.

Of course, this new disclosure makes my letter asking 100,000 citizens to write to President Bush, located at www.johnconyers.com, all the more important As my back-office administrator is closed for the holiday, I do not expect to have specific numbers of signatures until Tuesday, however needless to say, the response has been overwhelming from everything I can gage thus far.

Diaries :: Congressman John Conyers's diary :: :: Trackback ::

May 31, 2005

Hon. Donald Rumsfeld
Secretary of Defense
The Pentagon
Arlington, VA

Dear Secretary Rumsfeld:

I write with an urgent and important request that you respond to a report in the London Times on Sunday, May 29, indicating that British and U.S. aircraft increased their rates of bombing in 2002 in order to provoke an excuse for war in Iraq. Much of this information is provided by the British Ministry of Defense in response to questions posed by Liberal Democrat Sir Menzies Campbell.

As you may know, on May 6, I wrote to President Bush, along with 88 of my colleagues in the House of Representatives, asking him to respond to allegations first revealed in the London Times on May 1, that the U.S. and British government had a secret plan to invade Iraq by the summer of 2002, well before the Bush Administration requested authorization for military action, from the U.S. Congress. A response is still pending on that request.

The allegations and factual assertions made in the May 29 London Times are in many respects just as serious as those made in the earlier article. They include the following:

* "The RAF and U.S. aircraft doubled the rate at which they were dropping bombs in 2002 .... The attacks were intensified from May .... By the end of August the raids had become a full air offensive." Then British Defense Secretary Geoff Hoon reportedly told a British Cabinet Meeting in July, 2002, that by this time "the U.S. had already begun `spikes of activity' to put pressure on the regime." The newly released information also appears to show that "the allies dropped twice as many bombs on Iraq in the second half of 2002 as they did during the whole of 2001."

* According to the article, this increase at the rate of bombing was "an attempt to provoke Saddam Hussein into giving the allies an excuse for war." As I am sure you are aware, allied commander Tommy Franks has previously acknowledged the existence of increased military operations which he asserted were needed "to `degrade' Iraqi air defenses in the same way as the air attacks that began the 1991 Gulf War."

* The new information goes on to indicate that our military decided "on August 5, 2005 [sic], for a `hybrid plan" in which a continuous air offensive and special forces would begin while the main ground force built up in Kuwait for a full-scale invasion." According to the article, "despite the lack of an Iraqi reaction, the air war began anyway in September with a 100-plane raid."

The allegations and factual assertions made in the May 29 London Times are in many respects just as serious as those made in the earlier article. If true, these assertions indicate that not only had our nation secretly and perhaps illegally agreed to go to war by the summer of 2002, but that we had gone on to take specific and tangible military actions before asking Congress or the United Nations for authority.

Thus, while there is considerable doubt as to whether the U.S. had authority to invade Iraq, given, among other things, the failure of the U.N. to issue a follow-up resolution to the November 8, 2002 Resolution 1441, it would seem that the act of engaging in military action via stepped up bombing raids that were not in response to an actual or imminent threat before our government asked for military authority would be even more problematic from a legal as well as a moral perspective.

As a result of these new disclosures, I would ask that you respond as promptly as possible to the following questions:

1) Did the RAF and the United States military increase the rate that they were dropping bombs in Iraq in 2002? If so, what was the extent and timing of the increase?

2) What was the justification for any such increase in the rate of bombing in Iraq at this time? Was this justification reviewed by legal authorities in the U.S.?

3) To the best of your knowledge, was there any agreement with any representative of the British government to engage in military action in Iraq before authority was sought from the Congress or the U.N.? If so, what was the nature of the agreement?

In connection with all of the above questions, please provide me with any memorandum, notes, minutes, documents, phone and other records, e-mails, computer files (including back-up records) or other material of any kind or nature concerning or relating thereto in the possession or accessible by the Department of Defense.

I would encourage you to provide responses to these questions as promptly as possible, as they raise extremely grave and serious questions involving the credibility of our Administration and its constitutional responsibilities. In the interest of time, please feel free to forward me partial responses as they become available.

Sincerely,

John Conyers, Jr.
Ranking Member

Posted by: Pat C on May 30, 2005 01:04 AM

Sally, absolutely wonderful "duir." Thanks for sharing.
Bhakti, I agree totally with your comments on PCness in the last thread.
PCness, imho, is just a fancy way of condoning and perpetuating victim consciousness. The solid and empowering energy of standing firm in one's convictions of honesty, of not allowing oneself to be or feel victimized by another, is a whole separate energy issue from becoming a Madame DeFarge out for revenge, sitting in front of the guillotine cheering and knitting. Victim & tyrant are flip sides of the same coin.

Posted by: Kiwijeanie on May 30, 2005 02:34 AM

Needles on Fire
http://www.kategilbert.com/blog/archives/cerusa_sweater/index.html

Posted by: Pat C on May 30, 2005 03:21 AM

Neerav: I never expected the EU to pass based on the Brussels chart for the Constitution of May 25, 2003, 11:08am, Brussels. Saturn in that chart conjuncts the Moon in France's chart (10/5/1958, 12:00am, Paris)The people of France were going to take a fairly dim view of the whole thing creating a restrictive influence and today (when they were voting) Venus is coming up to a conjunction of that Moon/Saturn, and T Mars squares the French natal Saturn, exact today.

The EU will have to go back to the drawing board and come up with a different model and it could take several months, but they will be back in late 2006 I think to re-address the whole thing.
It would be a huge mistake for the French government to overrule the people and ratify it anyway.

Transiting Uranus is squaring the Mars (back and forth over the next year) of the French Revolution of July 14, 1789 (when they first stormed the Bastille) The French government has some work to do, this is a message from the people that they will not lie down for the steam roller.

Posted by: Sally on May 30, 2005 03:30 AM

The French must be using a different type of voting machines.

Posted by: Pat C on May 30, 2005 03:53 AM

Pat C, that's the truth

Posted by: Sally on May 30, 2005 04:50 AM

Why in the heck are Americans expecting a different result from the same machines Sally? I'm just stunned.

Posted by: Pat C on May 30, 2005 05:03 AM

I just saw a screening of a very powerful and well-done film - "Cindarella Man," starting Russell Crowe as professional boxer James J. (Jimmie) Braddock who was down and out during the Depression, could barely feed his family, and then made a comeback. Braddock is a gentleman with strong morals, integrity. The film presents a real reason as to why we needed help and support from our government, and why FDR created the social programs to fill these needs. Hollywood is always very prescient and this is another example. I also think the message therein was very deliberate. The film is from the Ron Howard directed, Renee Zelweger stars as his wife, and Paul Giamata (from Sideways) is his manager. Although I couldn't watch all the boxing scenes (hard to decifer why men need violence), it is such a beautiful, emotional, heart wrenching film, and the scenes of the "Great Depression" are that much more chilling because of the possibility that we were be back in that position (or, G-d forbid, worse). I live in New Orleans, a fairly liberal bastion in the midst of Red LA, but I wanted to stand up in the audience and yell out - "Remember these scenes, as this is what we are soon going to face because you voted Bush back in! I recommend the film.

Posted by: Sharon on May 30, 2005 05:31 AM

I just saw a screening of a very powerful and well-done film - "Cinderella Man," starting Russell Crowe as professional boxer James J. (Jimmie) Braddock who was down and out during the Depression, could barely feed his family, and then made a comeback. Ron Howard directs, Renee Zelweger stars as his wife, and Paul Giamata (from Sideways) is his manager. Braddock is a gentle family man with a strong marriage, strong morals, old fashioned solid values, & integrity. The film presents the reasons that the population (15 mil out of work) needed help from their governemnt and FDR created social security, the work programs, and other programs in response. Hollywood is always very prescient and this is another example. I also think the message therein was very deliberate. Although I couldn't watch all of the boxing scenes (expressed wonderfully but why do men need violence?), it is such a beautiful, emotional, heart wrenching film - far more than a feel good movie. The scenes of the "Great Depression" are that much more chilling because of the possibility that we may be heading in that direction (or, G-d forbid, a worse situation). I live in New Orleans, a fairly liberal bastion in the midst of Red LA, but I wanted to stand up and yell - "Remember these scenes! This is what we may soon face because you voted Bush back in!" I recommend this film.

Posted by: Sharon on May 30, 2005 05:39 AM

Somehow both my draft and corrected version got posted but you get the point!

I also like the duir waigh to imagination, Sally.

Posted by: Sharon on May 30, 2005 05:40 AM

Somehow both my draft and corrected version got posted but you get the point!

I hope this doesn't turn into another double post, but cest le vie :0

I also like the duir waigh to imagination, Sally.

Posted by: Sharon on May 30, 2005 05:41 AM

I use a finger pad instead of a mouse and am double clicking with my fingers. But not this time -

Posted by: Sharon on May 30, 2005 05:42 AM

There's a posting over at DU that keeps popping up about Scott Ritter predicting an attack on Iran for June. Some suggest it will be done by Israel, some suggest the US (and of course, both). Astrologers, is there anything "in the stars" (US, Israel, Iran) conerning the potential for an attack in a few days/weeks? Thanks!

Posted by: shylurker on May 30, 2005 05:52 AM

First 2 Japanese soldiers came out of the jungle recently, old men who had once been WWII deserters and had been hiding out all these years. Now, 2 WWII bombs have been found in a town in Italy and 10,000 people were evacuated until they can be detonated. What do you think the universe is trying to tell us? (Maybe nothing, but it sure seems coincidental)

Posted by: Sharon on May 30, 2005 05:54 AM

Not for astrological reasons, but common sense tells me it will be done by Israel, with the U.S.'s implicit support. Israel has more of a reason -- defense; if the US joins in, it will totally inflame the Muslim world & create further instability in Iraq. I think the US must realize that.

Posted by: Sharon on May 30, 2005 05:57 AM

Shylurker, there has been so many "attack" aspects from Israel and the US for several years now, and they have certainly been attacking and they have been "attacking" with regularity and at whim. As far as Iran is concerned, I would say Aug/Sept is a more dangerous time and then again later in the fall, such as Nov. Dec. If the US and Israel do attack Iran it will be out of time and place (energy wise) and only add considerably to their serious problems. Let's just say in the long and short run the "gods" would not go with them and neither will the "coaliation of the willing." If they think Iraq is a bit of a problem for them, they haven't seen anything yet if they attack Iran, astrologically it would be an incredible blunder, just incredible. But astrologically could they attack? Well they have been doing that in Iraq and Palestine so it would not be an astrological stretch for them to carry it to Iran.

Did anyone notice that a WOMAN won the Indy, bit of an ego loss for the Nascar Dads and an omen of the world in the not too distant future, let's just say potentially in our lifetimes.

Posted by: Sally on May 30, 2005 06:38 AM

Sally, I watched it and she came in 4th, but was out in front for a good deal of the time (which apparently caused her to use up fuel too fast and she lost power towards the end). She placed highest of the 4 women who have ever raced in the Indy. In her interview she said she had a few mishaps and it was understandable that she didn't win but she was very pleased with the end resultt anyway. David Letterman owned the car and seemed thrilled at her performance. Everyone seemed to be rooting for her. Kind of like Cinderella Man where everyone rooted for Jim Braddock, because he was a common man who strugged, just like them, but he was able to succeed during the Depression. It was beautiful.

Posted by: Sharon on May 30, 2005 06:46 AM

Sally, I watched it and she came in 4th, but was out in front for a good deal of the time (which apparently caused her to use up fuel too fast and she lost power towards the end). She placed highest of the 4 women who have ever raced in the Indy. In her interview she said she had a few mishaps and it was understandable that she didn't win but she was very pleased with the end resultt anyway. David Letterman owned the car and seemed thrilled at her performance. Everyone seemed to be rooting for her. Kind of like Cinderella Man where everyone rooted for Jim Braddock, because he was a common man who strugged, just like them, but he was able to succeed during the Depression. It was beautiful.

Posted by: Sharon on May 30, 2005 06:46 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/30/politics/30detain.html?pagewanted=print

In Rising Numbers, Lawyers Head for Guantánamo Bay

WASHINGTON, May 29 - In the last few months, the small commercial air service to the naval base at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, has been carrying people the military authorities had hoped would never be allowed there: American lawyers.

And they have been arriving in increasing numbers, providing more than a third of about 530 remaining detainees with representation in federal court. Despite considerable obstacles and expenses, other lawyers are lining up to challenge the government's detention of people the military has called enemy combatants and possible terrorists.

A meeting earlier this month in New York City at the law firm Clifford Chance drew dozens of new volunteer lawyers who attended lectures from other lawyers who have been through the rigorous process of getting the government to allow them access to Guantánamo.

The increase in lawyers for Guantánamo detainees was set in motion last June when the Supreme Court ruled against the Bush administration and said the prisoners there were entitled to challenge their detentions in federal courts.

The rate at which lawyers have stepped forward for the task may be a reflection of the changing public attitudes about Guantánamo Bay and its mission.

"In the beginning, just after 9/11, we couldn't get anybody," said Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights, a group based in New York that is coordinating the assigning of lawyers to prisoners. The earliest volunteers, Mr. Ratner said, were those who regularly handled death-penalty clients and were accustomed to representing the reviled in near-hopeless cases.

But in recent months, some of the nation's largest and most prominent firms have enlisted in the effort and devoted considerable resources to it, including Wilmer, Cutler, Pickering, Hale & Dorr; Clifford Chance; Covington & Burling; Dorsey & Whitney; and Allen & Overy.

"People are now eager to take this on," Mr. Ratner said. The law firms are bearing all the expenses, he said.

More...

Posted by: Pat C on May 30, 2005 06:52 AM

Sally, the sooner women rise to the top, the better, as far as I'm concerned. I've had enough of the so called "men" in power who claim they know what is best for the US and the world, and then turn around and screw everyone over with the games, attitudes and temperment of bullies and bratty children.

I think we are due for a major overhaul in the makeup of our government. Congress and the Executive Branch are currently dominated by a disproportionate number of aging, regressive, mean-spirited and fearful old white men. Disproportionate, when you consider the increasing shift in our demographics towards a multi-ethnic society. Mean-spirited and filled with irrational hatred towards successful, independent women. Fearful, perhaps in the knowledge that the days of WASP ascendancy are quickly drawing to a close.

Consider that latinos will constitute a racial majority in California within two decades. Their numbers continue to steadily grow in the Southwest, as well as in economic engine states like North Carolina and Illinois. Asian and Eastern Indian immigrants also contribute to increasing ethnic and cultural diversity throughout the US. The growing frequency and acceptance of interracial relationships further contributes to diversity. And for as much as the Christian Right for some paranoid reason desperately tries to fight it, even homosexuals and their relationships are generally, if slowly, becoming more accepted in our society.

The younger, up-and-coming generations are already a world apart from the elder generation in their perspectives on gender, race/ethnic background and sexuality. A better world awaits us as they ascend into power, as the Rumsfelds, Cheneys, Bushes and their ilk inevitably succumb to the realities of their mortality.

Posted by: NEOBuckeye on May 30, 2005 11:56 AM

It's absolutely amazing how the cycles of history go. I just watched "The Life of Emile Zola" about his defense of Captain Dreyfus and the accusation of government/military abuse in France in the 1890's. It's hard to believe it's not describing our country today.

This just came up from John Bonifaz, an attorney specializing in constitutional litigation:

"Bonifaz's memo, made available today at www.AfterDowningStreet.org, begins: "The recent release of the Downing Street Memo provides new and compelling evidence that the President of the United States has been actively engaged in a conspiracy to deceive and mislead the United States Congress and the American people about the basis for going to war against Iraq. If true, such conduct constitutes a High Crime under Article II, Section 4 of the United States Constitution."


Posted by: jm on May 30, 2005 12:11 PM


The China Scapegoat - and who are we to complain
about someone else's nationalism...

The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments:
Shortcut to: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/29/opinion/29kristof.html?8dpc=&pagewanted=print

Posted by: wv on May 30, 2005 01:42 PM


Krugman - right on as usual...

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Posted by: wv on May 30, 2005 01:49 PM

Neobuckeye, one of the beauties of the American experience is the diversity. I didn't realize what a gift it was until I went abroad and saw how little diversity many countries have. I remember how when I was in the middle-east that they didn't know what to do with me. I look fairly anglo, but they just couldn't beleive it when I spoke Spanish with the local Columbian immigrants in Isreal.

So many anglos and others are inter-merrying that its not so much that the anglos are "losing power" but that people are less defining themselves by race and are willing to marry and socialize with others.

And about gays, well I don't think most care that I am gay. I think most straight people are good people who really don't have a problem with it. I think most straight people support our cause. I think that what it happening is that the Repugs are trying to make us the "enemy". All fascist regimes need a bogeyman to create fear in the citizenry. When the allied powers and civil rights organizations failed to memorialize and explore the treatment and genocide of gays and lesbians in the WW2 concentration camps, I feel that it has given the American right wing the idea that Gays and Lesbians were(and are) the okay minority to demonize. LIke ABu Graib prisoner abuse, I thing the responsibility for gay discrimination comes from the top down.

My fight for my rights is not against striaght people becuase I love my straight freinds, it against a government that wants to marginalize me.

Thanks for giving me this space to write.

Posted by: Travieso on May 30, 2005 02:13 PM

"With Us or Against Us"
It Really is a Crusade
By GARY LEUPP

Days after the 9-11 attacks, George W. Bush informed Americans, "This crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to take awhile." As a Yale history major, he ought to have known what the medieval Crusades were all about: Christians against Muslims, mostly for control of Palestine, fought with all the viciousness and duplicity reflected in the recent film "The Kingdom of Heaven." The explosive term was guaranteed to incite Muslim ire and alarm, and protests from everywhere (including the State Department, I'd imagine) caused Bush to drop it from his fevered rhetoric. But yes, ladies and gentlemen, this is indeed a Crusade, an anti-Muslim project conducted from a Judeo-Christian command center of a particularly unholy type. No matter how much administration officials profess their respect for Islam, denying any religious character to the war, and however they express wide-eyed amazement that Muslims might misunderstand the "war on terrorism" as an anti-Muslim war, it really is a crusading "holy war"---for the following reasons.

More:

http://counterpunch.com/leupp05272005.html

Posted by: Camille on May 30, 2005 02:20 PM

Thanks so much, Cap'n Sally for looking into the Iran-June situation. I am comforted.

Posted by: shylurker on May 30, 2005 02:43 PM

Racism, fascism and general macho sh*theadism is not the lone posession of the white race. Witness Asia, Africa, South America, Cuba, etc, etc. Many who have traveled to the US have brought their prejudices with them and they are starting to show up in the political fabric.

Fascism and racism is ugly in all colors.

Posted by: Pat C on May 30, 2005 03:48 PM

PS It isn't starting to show up, it has always been there. Prejudice is as old as the existance of men and women in the world. Blaming the anglos is hot helpful.

Posted by: Pat C on May 30, 2005 04:01 PM

Pat C, It's true. Racism, sexism, all the "isms" are everywhere. It's true that I think that most people really are good people.

Posted by: Travieso on May 30, 2005 04:18 PM

Thanks for the support of diversity.
I love the analogy of a Mdm Defarge knitting at the the guillotine. Great!
We compalin 'Where's the outrage?' and then we we rage...we are bad. No wonder this is a such a mixed up generation. What I wrote above is the turning point where we as a society give out mixed messages.
We are not happy with the intolerance of the old timey heirarchal religions, yet we use them as a crutch to judge others when they get real about their feelings.

The only cheek I'll turn is my moon towards * and other despots and dictators. The buzzing mosiquito has biten way too many times. Even Dalai Lama, the 'secular' head of Tibet, would splat the pesky biting mosiquito. Yes, even * is the light of the one. But his conciousness has closed down to the point of darkness and he is spreading his disesae of arrogance, intolerance, hatred and prejudice way too far and it needs to be stopped and it may not be pretty. I'm not wishing any particular end for this creep, just for the end. However the karma movie turns out in the end, with or without us/ predictions, the Universe writes the scripts. When we finally understand that, our egos will be a bit more purified.

Posted by: bhakti on May 30, 2005 04:19 PM

I love you all more than I can say. You are a bright light.

Posted by: Pat C on May 30, 2005 04:31 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8029531/
U.S. housing boom a bust for many

To walk Thayer Street in northeast Philadelphia is to count, door by door, the economic devastation afflicting a working-class neighborhood. On a single block, 18 of the 42 brick rowhouses have gone into foreclosure in the past three years.

There's Marciela Perez, who fell ill with cancer, lacked health insurance and stopped making mortgage payments. Barrel-chested Richard Hidalgo, who got divorced and could no longer make his monthly nut. And Mike O'Mara, a rawboned and crew-cut truck driver who took on too much debt, lost his job and fell behind on his mortgage.

"Mortgage companies convinced us to refinance, and each time our bill went up," O'Mara said as he surveyed his narrow street from his shaded front porch. "You fall behind and they swoop down on you."

Philadelphia, its suburbs and indeed much of Pennsylvania have experienced a foreclosure epidemic as low-income homeowners take on mortgage debt they cannot afford. In 2000, the Philadelphia sheriff auctioned off 300 to 400 foreclosed properties a month; now he handles more than 1,000 per month. Allegheny County, which includes Pittsburgh, had record auctions of foreclosed homes and officials speak of a "Depression-era" problem. The foreclosures fall particularly hard on black and Latino families.

Boom brings dark side
For some American homeowners, the greatest housing boom in U.S. history has delivered riches. They repeatedly tap their homes for equity and use the cash to purchase granite countertops, a BMW, even a trip to the Super Bowl. But there's a dark side -- a sharp rise in foreclosures that is destroying the single greatest generator of personal wealth for most Americans. Foreclosure rates rose in 47 states in March, according to Foreclosure.com, an online foreclosure listing service. The rates in Florida, Texas and Colorado are more than twice the national average. Even in New York City and Boston, where real estate markets are white-hot, foreclosures are rising in working-class neighborhoods.

Virginia, Maryland and the District have relatively low foreclosure rates — analysts say troubled owners in those booming markets can still sell their homes before facing foreclosure.

More...

I have noticed lots of signs advertising "We buy houses!". Very idsturbing.

Posted by: Pat C on May 30, 2005 04:59 PM

Thanks Sharon, I just said what MSNBC was reporting last night, I didn't watch it, the first time I every saw cars racing around a track as fast as they could and that was it, I thought it to be close (after football) to the most ridiculous thing I'd ever seen. But MSNBC reported she won yesterday, but they've changed it today.

By the way, the reason your posts keep coming up two and three times is you hit the send or post button two or three times, only hit it once, even if it does seem slow.

Posted by: Sally on May 30, 2005 05:24 PM


The Huffington Post...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

Posted by: wv on May 30, 2005 05:37 PM

Bush regime displays its astonishing virtuosity as liar and user of loopholes...

http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=36334

VHeadline.com commentarist Chris Herz writes: Here is the complete text of the May 27 statement of the US embassy in Caracas on the Posada case:

THE U.S. HAS NOT REJECTED VENEZUELAN REQUEST FOR EXTRADITION OF LUIS POSADA CARRILES

May 27, 2005

The United States Government has not rejected a Venezuelan petition for the extradition of Luis Posada Carriles. The U.S. Department of Justice turned down, on May 27, a Venezuelan request for the provisional arrest of Luis Posada Carriles, due to insufficient information. Luis Posada Carriles is still detained without bail in a U.S. jail. Venezuela can still request the extradition of Luis Posada Carriles in accordance with the extradition treaty between the United States and Venezuela. As of this date, the United States Government has not yet received an extradition request."

US imperialism wants to play games .. specifically, it wants to play word games.

Obviously, US imperialists have opted to stall on the Venezuelan request for the extradition of Luis Posada Carriles and to buffoon on the Venezuelan request for the arrest of Posada.

As for the Venezuelan request for the arrest of Posada, the imperialists say "Well, Posada isn't arrested, he's detained. And, I assure you, he's still detained. But not arrested."
These are dilatory tactics.

But this buffoonery from the US imperialists tacitly confirms that the imperialists have received a request from Venezuela for the arrest of Posada by the United States.

According to the May 27 statement from the US embassy in Caracas, the imperialists have decided to only detain Posada, not arrest him "due to insufficient information" contained in the Venezuelan request for the arrest. So ... if Venezuela later provides "sufficient information," then imperialist authorities will then say they have arrested Posada.

This buffoonery, like the revocation last week of the tourist visa of Venezuela's Supreme Court president Omar Mora (under a terrorism statute), expresses the contempt which the imperialists feel for Venezuela.

More...

Posted by: Pat C on May 30, 2005 06:27 PM


From the University of Oregon: 10 Reasons Not to
Kill Bush

http://www.uwire.com/content/topops052505002.html

Posted by: wv on May 30, 2005 07:06 PM

Travieso, I definitely agree with you that gay-bashing starts at the top and goes down. Gays are the new evil. Unhuman. Rats.

How ridiculous. In the gay community, like all other communities, there are good and there are bad. In my experience as a heterosexual female, I have had nothing but very good times with gay men, and have found them, as a whole, to be feeling, loving, spiritual and creative as hell.

What is our country starting here? Will we begin to overlook the murder and abuse of gays in our country? Has the Christian right taken over?

I am shuttering as I write. Scary.

Posted by: Laurie on May 30, 2005 07:21 PM

I'm on a slight Danica Patrick fever today. Born 3/25/82. Haven't done her planets yet.

Isn't that article on 10 Reasons Not To Kill Bush-I don't know what's more infuriating the condescending tone or the assumption that liberals would be out celebrating Bush's demise. Not that I would miss him, but whether or not he goes out is not going to depend on any liberal group in the United States at all. Liberals have never really advocated assassination and I don't expect anything now either-even with Shrub. It's been the yahoos on the Right that have done most of the political killng here in the States. The few groups that could even remotely be called left that were violent enough to give it a go were never large to begin with, died in the early to mid-seventies, and show no signs of revival except in a nostalgic, old-timer's reunion sort of way.

One big reason is the huge infusion of women. Not that women can't be violent, but a huge majority of us don't think that's the way to solve problems-either personal or political. Add peace groups that study Ghandi or King, or draw their inspiration from Quakers, and there just isn't enough of a base for violent action of anykind-or enough of an attraction for those who would be violent to latch too.

Posted by: Carol on May 30, 2005 08:20 PM

And the sales pitches for refinancing talk about all of the goodies you can buy with the new money or all of the debt you can get out of. But like credit card advances (I know from experience) and credit lines, you are adding on a new debt on top of an already existing debt. And if the ratio of debt to resources gets too high, you lose your house. And speaking of houses, it just made me remember an old neighbor of mine who lived in her house so long that she practially owned it-she owed $89 a month for her small home and that was it. Back then she was quite happy with that even though the surrounding neighborhood was going downhill a bit. Nowadays she would have been pressured into refinancing that little home and ended up owing far more per month-even though she was a couple of years away from retirement. I hope she's still in that home, and has resisted the offers.

Posted by: Carol on May 30, 2005 08:35 PM

Beware of the Ides of June -- A poetic prophecy
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x372802

This is just too good to miss. Trust me.

Posted by: mike on May 30, 2005 09:46 PM


First trip out of Rome Pope meets Gay Governor

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Posted by: wv on May 30, 2005 09:57 PM

SENATOR BYRD, D, WV -- He's pounding the forces of hate and lies.
May 21, 2003

"The Truth Will Emerge"

"Truth, crushed to earth, shall rise again, - -
The eternal years of God are hers;
But Error, wounded, writhes in pain,
And dies among his worshippers."


As if that were not bad enough, members of Congress are reluctant to ask questions which are begging to be asked. How long will we occupy Iraq? We have already heard disputes on the numbers of troops which will be needed to retain order. What is the truth? How costly will the occupation and rebuilding be? No one has given a straight answer. How will we afford this long-term massive commitment, fight terrorism at home, address a serious crisis in domestic healthcare, afford behemoth military spending and give away billions in tax cuts amidst a deficit which has climbed to over $340 billion for this year alone? If the President's tax cut passes it will be $400 billion. We cower in the shadows while false statements proliferate. We accept soft answers and shaky explanations because to demand the truth is hard, or unpopular, or may be politically costly.

But, I contend that, through it all, the people know. The American people unfortunately are used to political shading, spin, and the usual chicanery they hear from public officials. They patiently tolerate it up to a point. But there is a line. It may seem to be drawn in invisible ink for a time, but eventually it will appear in dark colors, tinged with anger. When it comes to shedding American blood - - when it comes to wreaking havoc on civilians, on innocent men, women, and children, callous dissembling is not acceptable. Nothing is worth that kind of lie - - not oil, not revenge, not reelection, not somebody's grand pipedream of a democratic domino theory.

And mark my words, the calculated intimidation which we see so often of late by the "powers that be" will only keep the loyal opposition quiet for just so long. Because eventually, like it always does, the truth will emerge. And when it does, this house of cards, built of deceit, will fall.

http://byrd.senate.gov/byrd_speeches/byrd_speeches_2003may/byrd_speeches_2003may_list/byrd_speeches_2003may_list_2.html

HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY

Posted by: mike on May 30, 2005 10:11 PM

Saw new Star Wars movie with grandson... couple of lines in it speak to what is going on today in USA... "Is this how Democracy dies" (when the 'Chancellor' takes over the Republic and creates the 'Empire' --- recommend you see the "Revenge of the Sith" --- and that you read Juan Cole's column today. That Democracy we are allegedly taking to the Middle East? Still believe it? Well, I never did... and here's more affirmation that you can't export something you don't have in the first place:

--------------

Monday, May 30, 2005
Iraqi Islamic Party Leader Released

The US military has released Muhsin Abd al-Hamid, the leader of the Iraqi Islamic Party. The IIP runs the provincial council in Anbar and is the only major Sunni Arab religious party that has generally been willing to cooperate with the Americans. Abd al-Hamid served on the American-appointed Interim Governing Council.

His arrest had provoked major protests.

Reader Sally Quinn kindly sends a translation of a French report from Le Monde via Reuters/AFP:

"The Islamic Party, in a communiqué, demanded an explanation for the raid on the Baghdad residence of its leader as well as an official apology. "They must also release two of this three sons, Mokdad and Assayed, who are still beikng held along with several houseguests and bodyguards, said the party without indicating their numbers . . . Although critical of the current Shi'a-dominated government, the Islamic Party has not excluded its participation in the drafting of the permanent Constitution . . . recently the party has taken a position against the blind violence
targeting the populace and the security forces while criticizing the arrest of Sunni
clerics, the warhorses of the powerful Committee of Iraqi Ulema, which refuses to
participate in negotiations surrounding the drafting of the Constitution . . . Following his release, Mr. Abdel Hamid underscored the humiliation to which he was subjected by US soldiers, saying that they handcuffed him and interrogated him for hours."

Prime Minister Ibrahim Jaafari and President Jalal Talabani complained bitterly about the US action and apparently were not consulted about the arrest. They pointed out that the US keeps saying it wants to involve the Sunni leadership, but that arrests like this one just drive away even the moderates. The initial reports also talked about US troops confiscating money. Basically they kicked down his door, rifled through his things, hooded him, and dragged him away. There was no arrest warrant, no consultation with the supposedly sovereign Iraqi government, and apparently no knowledge of who Abd al-Hamid really is.

Susan Hu is leading a good discussion of the SNAFU over at Daily Kos. I've been watching CNN for hours and there is nothing about this.

http://www.juancole.com/2005/05/iraqi-islamic-party-leader-released-us.html

Posted by: Jo on May 30, 2005 10:12 PM


If Muslims Called Allah 'God', Would U.S.be More
Respectful?

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Posted by: wv on May 30, 2005 10:17 PM

Heheheh... "DemoDominoGeorge." Thank you, Sen Byrd... that was a good one.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on May 30, 2005 11:51 PM


DU Bill Introduced in Congress....methinks there is enough information already to ban the use of
it.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/printer_053005X.shtml

Posted by: wv on May 31, 2005 12:11 AM

I just realized that Mars in Pisces is in oppostion to my Jupiter right now. It's setting off that natal aspect exactly, so I now know why I'm eating and even spending a bit much. I can cut down on both and focus more on finishing my home decoration now that I understand. Hopefully, I won't bite off more than I can chew with either this or my upcoming mortgage issues. Mars in the Fourth means working around the home, and every place I have lived in since adulthood has needed something-painting, cleaning, repairs. No accidents of any note, just fixing. When I was a child and didn't have control of my living situation-the energy manifested in a lot of conflict between fellow members of the family, which is why I've never liked having roomates. (BTW, I also remember moving fairly frequently-every 3-4 years or so, and we did a lot of painting then too.)

Jo, intelligence is going to be poor because no one who craves a long life is going to give the Americans any information. I bet even the Iraqi Parlimentarians try to keep a good distance from the soldiers as much as possible to avoid being shot at. And the fact that significant figures in the government are being killed, it appears every day, gives few potential informants any confidence that it would be safe to tell. Even the ones just out for money don't feel they would live long enough to spend it

Posted by: Carol on May 31, 2005 12:42 AM

Thousands of S Korean students rallying Sunday against the US military's 5-decade presence clashed with police after trying to enter the [ameriCO] base, & at least 12 people were injured & more than 20 were arrested. http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5039156,00.html


Posted by: JoannaOregon on May 31, 2005 01:15 AM

Homeland Security goes after filesharers

http://markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/2005/05/dhs-interupts-war-on-terror-to-go.html

Posted by: Pat C on May 31, 2005 02:34 AM

I'm Baaaacccckkkk!
If there is any question of the value of sitting on our a**es and blogging, set them aside now!
Shylurker,
I hadn't a clue that they want to dump nuclear waste on the
closed bases in Me., NH. Ma.!!!! (Among our nicest vacation spots!) Neither did anyone else I've talked to, this weekend!
Like the solitary radio outposts in the Pacific islands during WWII, I take in and diseminate information, to the local grapevine chain. One person couldn't possibly collect all the articles, research, "puzzle filling" personal experiences, in the amount of time that it's posted here! EACH OF YOU IS MAKING A BIG CONTRIBUTION!

Not only was the phone service to my IP out for 3 days ( it drowned in the deluge we've had,) but the TV Co erred and didn't do my installation Sat. so I was stuck with ABC/FUX and PBS, neither of which even does weekend news! ( well except the Mcglaughlin Group & Now!) There was no mention of Nuclear waste in the Bangor Daily News Sat./Sun edition!
The dish TV debacle was truly a "down the rabbit hole experience," during which I educated a young Latino supervisor, to how businesses used to be run," ( for the satisfaction of the customer NOT the corporate entity ). ( In the manner suggested by Bhakti above. ) Oh odeous CEO of dish TV! I would have scraped it entirely; except I -really wanted C-span 1 & 2!
It struck me that they deliberately hire young immigrants who have no experience with the way businesses were operated pre-1980!
I may be up until 3 or 4 catching up with things..............chat with you later Mike!
PQ

Posted by: Pat QOP on May 31, 2005 03:13 AM

In addition to seeing the pro-Democratic film by Ron Howard, "Cinderella Man" yesterday, I saw another film today and this one is a jewel.

Have any of you heard of or seen "The Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill?" It is a fabulous documentary, very, very spiritual. I was choked up a lot over the beauty of it all. Please see it.

Posted by: Sharon on May 31, 2005 03:59 AM

* [The "Dick"] cheney today said he was offended by Amnesty Internatl's condemnation of the US for what it called "serious human rights violations" at Guantanamo Bay. "For Amnesty International to suggest that somehow [somehow!?!?!?] the US is a violator of human rights, I frankly just don't take them seriously," he said. An Amnesty executive hit back saying [The "Dick"] also does not take seriously torture & the Geneva Convention. ... con't http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/30/cheney.amnestyintl/index.html

How I despise these monsterous old wargeezers!

Posted by: JoannaOregon on May 31, 2005 04:11 AM

I think "The Dick" represents the dark side of aquarius very well... cold, detached blue eye lookin' down a microscope at all the rest of us & the Living Earth...

Posted by: JoannaOregon on May 31, 2005 04:16 AM

Pat PofQ,
Here's information you won't see on CNN ---

mass layouts during April 2005

http://bls.gov/news.release/mmls.nr0.htm

Posted by: Jo on May 31, 2005 04:25 AM

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/7235393?pageid=rs.Home&pageregion=single7

Texas Freedom Network
Religious Right Watch

*The Crusaders*
Christian evangelicals are plotting to remake America in their own image*

Posted by: Pat C on May 31, 2005 04:31 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/27/AR2005052701090.html

Former Clinton Campaign Aide Acquitted

A federal jury here on Friday found a former top campaign official for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) not guilty of charges that he intentionally covered up the lavish costs of a 2000 celebrity fundraising gala.

David F. Rosen, Clinton's national finance director during her first Senate race, had faced up to 10 years in prison and a $500,000 fine if convicted on two charges of lying to the government when he understated the event's costs by nearly $800,000 in filings to the Federal Election Commission. Rosen claimed the event's hosts misled him about their true expenses.

Though Clinton was not charged in the matter, and prosecutors repeatedly said they did not believe she was involved, the case had been closely watched by critics of the former first lady, especially at a time of heated speculation about her possible aspirations for a 2008 presidential run.

Rosen, a 38-year-old newlywed who said his Chicago consulting firm had lost all its clients since his indictment, expressed relief when the jury returned with an acquittal after six hours of deliberation.

"It was hard for me to hold back tears," he told the Associated Press. "It was the happiest moment, next to my marriage, in my life."

snip

Clinton's office released a statement Friday from her attorney, David Kendall, praising the verdict: "We have said from the beginning that, when all the evidence is in, David would be vindicated. . . . Sen. Clinton is very happy for David and his family."

But officials with Judicial Watch, an organization that has long been critical of the Clintons, pledged to pursue the Rosen case further. The group recently asked the Senate Ethics Committee to investigate Clinton's role in the matter.

"Obviously, the Justice Department made a political calculation and decided not to pursue the case against Rosen aggressively," the group's director of litigation Paul J. Orfanedes said in a statement.

Posted by: Pat C on May 31, 2005 04:52 AM

Pat C,

I didn't intend by my comments above to suggest that white males are the only racists on the planet. From very personal experience, I know better. Prejudice and hatred come in many, many forms and from people of all colors and backgrounds.

None of this averts my scrutiny, however, from our current most-pressing issue; That of an anachronistic power structure operated by a handful of individuals who promote their own self-serving interests at the expense of everyone else, using vain and delusional notions of genetic and Social Darwinian superiority as a raison d'etre.

George Herbert Walker Bush SENIOR is hardly the most superior man to ever walk upon this Earth, whatever he assures himself about his British royal ties and lineage. But I'd take up issue with any man, of any family, of any skin color who would wield the global clout and influence of a Bush Sr. while under the self-deceit that he was born to rule.

Posted by: NEOBuckeye on May 31, 2005 05:52 AM

"Little known facts and overlooked history"

The First Memorial Day
By Denis Mueller

Despite the ruins of war in the city of Charleston, the
flowers were in full bloom. President Lincoln had been
shot only a couple of weeks earlier and with one-third
of all Union soldiers buried in unmarked graves, and an
equal number of Confederates, death was everywhere.

Charleston had seen more than its own share of death. The
city had been turned into rubble and all of this death
presented the country with the overwhelming burden of
memorialization. After the war there had been various
speeches and memorials but something special was about to
happen in Charleston.

In the final year of the war, the Confederates had turned
the planter's racecourse into an interment camp for Union
soldiers. The conditions were awful as the men were forced
to live without even tents for shelter. As they lie in the
open course, they were exposed to the whims of natures with
no protection against storms of the cold or heat. Many died
and the former slaves of Charleston could hear their
anguished cries during the night. So these newly freed
blacks insisted on a proper burial for the men once the war
had ended. At least 357 had died during this period and
their suffering called for some kind of memorialization. So
the first "Decoration Day" was born.

The former slaves, and their unionist allies in the town,
decided to hold the event at the racetrack, which had housed
the prisoners. In ten days they built a suitable enclosure
for the dead, painting the fences, repairing the damage,
landscaping, until the ground was ready for their day. The
workmen painted a sign at the entrance of the ground, which
proclaimed "Martyrs of the Race Course."

On May 1st, at nine o'clock in the morning, the procession
began. Three thousand black school children marched around
the course with flowers in their hand singing "John Browns
Body." They were followed by the women of the Patriotic
Association, a group formed to distribute clothing and food
to the newly freed slaves, who carried wreaths and crosses
for the men.

The official dedication of the event was carried forth by
the ministers of all the black churches of Charleston. They
read prayers and bible passages while giving birth to an
American tradition. By doing such they created meaning for
the war in a very public way, which was to be followed by
future generations. The grandstand saw over thirty speeches
from Union officials, abolitionist missionaries, while the
crowd listened to memorials for those who died under
captivity.

Picnics followed the speeches and that afternoon the Fifty-
Fourth Massachusetts and the Thirty-Fifth and 104th Colored
regiments, marched in double column around the graves. They
held drills on the infield in order to memorialize the
martyrs. People cried all over that day and the holiday,
which we call Memorial Day, was founded.

A New York Tribune correspondent called it "a procession of
friends and mourners as South Carolina and the United States
never saw before." This story has long been forgotten and I
bet that the Fox News Channel, CNN, and any other of the
networks will not say a single word about it this weekend.

Source: David W. Blight, Race and Reunion

Posted by: wv on May 31, 2005 12:16 PM

WV,

Thank you for posting the story about the Blacks in Charleston originating the first Memorial Day... you are correct in that we will not hear about it on 'the news' --- it's a poignant story... and deserves a place in history.

Posted by: on May 31, 2005 01:12 PM

* War Making & State Making as Organized Crime
http://www.jesusradicals.com/library/tilly/warmaking.html

Posted by: JoannaOregon on May 31, 2005 02:06 PM

wv,

Oh my God.

Posted by: jm on May 31, 2005 02:21 PM

Will we still have troops in Iraq by the time Smirky&Co leave office?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080261/#survey

Posted by: shylurker on May 31, 2005 02:47 PM


Breathe freely.

Get rid of your secrets online...

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Posted by: wv on May 31, 2005 03:15 PM

Sorry, WV, that was my anon comment on your post above... used another computer in the house, and my name didn't come up!

The following is just 'cuz I felt like sharing:

The Brahman Dona saw the Buddha sitting under a tree and was impressed by his peaceful air of alertness and his good demeanor. He asked the Buddha:

“Are you a god?”
“No, Brahman, I am not a god.”
“Then an angel?”
“No, indeed, Brahman.”
“A spirit then?”
“No, I am not a spirit.”
“Then what are you?”
“I am awake.”

- Anguttara Nikaya

Posted by: Jo on May 31, 2005 03:51 PM

In a processing mode these Gemini days... quiet... writing eulogies and reading my journals. Ran across the following from my TAO calendar for the year 2001. Each month has a quote from some ancient writing, the month of September 2001 had the following at the top of the page:

There is a saying among soldiers:
I dare not make the first move but would rather play the guest;
I dare not advance an inch but would rather withdraw a foot.

This is called marching without appearing to move,
Rolling up your sleeves without showing your arm,
Capturing the enemy without attacking,
Being armed without weapons.

There is no greater catastrophe than underestimating the enemy.
By underestimating the enemy, I almost lose what I value.

Therefore when the battle is joined,
The underdog will win.

— Tao Te Ching, Chapter Sixty-Nine

-----------------

"Synchronicity is an explanatory principle, according to its creator, Carl Jung. Synchronicity explains "meaningful coincidences," such as a beetle flying into his room while a patient was describing a dream about a scarab. The scarab is an Egyptian symbol of rebirth, he noted. Therefore, the propitious moment of the flying beetle indicated that the transcendental meaning of both the scarab in the dream and the insect in the room was that the patient needed to be liberated from her excessive rationalism. His notion of synchronicity is that there is an acausal principle that links events having a similar meaning by their coincidence in time rather than sequentially. He claimed that there is a synchrony between the mind and the phenomenal world of perception."

Just something to chew on this a.m.

Posted by: Jo on May 31, 2005 04:01 PM

OMG that was beautiful Jo. WV thank you for your articles and particularly the one on Memorial Day that of course, is not the official version.

I think of the things we are afraid will happen, "police state, no job opportunities, low paying jobs, being blocked out of what we think of as the "American Dream;" worried about being arrested or no reason, oppression, etc., etc., etc. The Black community has been living under a dictatorship in America from the beginning. Perhaps we should ask them how did you survive? How will we survive? The United States have been at war with the black man since before it was the United States of America.

The Native American Indians haven't had it so good either. There seems to be a genetic flaw in the human race and that is we need a group to be less than. It's very strange.

Posted by: Sally on May 31, 2005 04:14 PM

How many people have suffered a stroke listening to *ush? Just wondering.

He said: " They just disassemble. That means they don't tell the truth." That was just noiw.

With Hamid Karzai last week, he said: *Of course we're winning in Iraq. If we weren't winning, they wouldn't be fighting."

I can't stand it

Posted by: Teg on May 31, 2005 04:37 PM

Bravo France!

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3164

Posted by: wv on May 31, 2005 04:39 PM

Best line of the day on DU.......... Bush referring to himself as articulate = a moron using an oxymoron

Posted by: Teg on May 31, 2005 05:00 PM

Great poems of wisdom, thanks Jo.

Who knows, maybe the bible was written to describe human energy dynamics in metaphorical prose by scholars. The yogis have dissected the mind this way long before Jung.
Shiva as non-duality and duality simultaneously. The inert male energy coming into manifestation through the power of the feminine nature. Our primordial inner mythology is forgetting to be taught. So it acts out on the world stage. Cain killed Abel: feelings by humans in duality have always been there. BUT the old choices in the patriarchal heirarchy are linear and it's between good/evil, black/white. However to evolve we must make our choices between good and better and learn to swim in the gray zones in ocean of duality.
It's about CHOICES, I guess humans feel they were born without choice back onto Earth. So we have a deep scar that it's 'not our choice'. But it is our choices (and the Universe's help, of course). To me the scariest thing is how the current lineup of (Barf) US leaders are so ANTI-choice. They size themselves up while they slice the rest down. This attitude has trickled down into mainstream media which influences societal behaviors. But from all of our ancient mythologies and bibles and tales these behaviors went on long before GW and his band of *cos and media whores. We are just a collective part of the current Karma movie.

Posted by: bhakti on May 31, 2005 05:57 PM

Nader shows up using the "I" word---is anyone still listening to him?

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/05/31/the_i_word?mode=PF

namaste all!!!
GT

Posted by: Garry on May 31, 2005 05:59 PM

Great article - an eye opener as to their agenda and how "we" will be next ..

Soldiers of Christ II
Feeling the hate with the National Religious Broadcasters

http://www.harpers.org/FeelingTheHate.html

Posted by: Camille on May 31, 2005 06:21 PM

For those interested here is the first article in the "soldiers of Christ" series above: Also a great read.

http://www.harpers.org/SoldiersOfChrist.html

Posted by: Camille on May 31, 2005 06:26 PM

Bush Calls Human Rights Report 'Absurd'. No one told him about Gitmo, Abu Ghraib? What Planet Does President Schultz Live On? In Other News, Bush Still in Reality Coma, Dreams that "War on Terror," War on Iraq, and War on Aghanistan Going "Peachy".

"ABSURD HUMAN" CALLS HUMAN RIGHTS REPORT "ABSURD"

President Bush on Tuesday dismissed a human rights report as "absurd" for its harsh criticism of U.S. treatment of terrorist suspects at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, saying the allegations were made by prisoners "who hate America."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050531/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush

Posted by: Starrynight/SN on May 31, 2005 08:38 PM

Camille.......tyvm for those links. I guess I just didn't know how completely crazy and dangerous there people are. Those articles were an eye-opener. I think I'm going to be sick

Posted by: Teg on May 31, 2005 10:25 PM

This is hilarious. If any one of you could stand to watch our glorious leader today, (or even if you didn't) this is a must read.

Advice to Batshit Loopy Prez by BostonJoe

http://dailykos.com/story/2005/5/31/125334/492

Posted by: Laurie on May 31, 2005 11:27 PM

~TERRIFIC READ ~

ONE LAST KICK AT THE LIBERAL DOGS---JUST TO HEAR THEM BARK

By Joe Bageant

"Why do you rope-belted redneck mouthbreathers assume that if a liberal drinks a glass of wine they are going to attack people like you? You know, it is just possible that someone can eat a piece of cheese for some other reason than hating rednecks."—Posted on Smirking Chimp website by Wile E Chimp Supergenius

May 31, 2005—Many American liberals believe working class conservatives see them as the enemy—that they stereotype liberals as a bunch of over-educated quasi-queers sucking down cappuccinos at Starbucks or spreading brie at a self-help book signing . . . or something like that. We can thank television for such ignorance.

Yet it is no small liberal hubris that assumes working class conservative voters are as obsessed with liberals as liberals are with themselves. Not to pop progressive bubbles, but the working class people I know seldom ever think about liberals. Or conservatives. Hell, they seldom even think about politics. True, most people born working class experience some class resentment when they see the college educated middle class liberals on television. But that is about all.

CONTINUED ~http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/053105Bageant/053105bageant.html



Posted by: Starrynight/SN on May 31, 2005 11:40 PM


So This is How Liberty Dies

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Posted by: wv on June 1, 2005 01:14 AM


America's Religious Right- Saints or Subversives

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/053105A.shtml

Posted by: wv on June 1, 2005 01:48 AM

Sally, re: your comments above, I think it all comes down to picking your battles well, but preparing in the meantime to act when a window of opportunity opens.

Preparation time is about social and individual education, organization and building up tension, which must at some point, in some form or another be released. Education and organization are what helps to direct that tension in a positive, focused way, however.

Recall Martin Luther King's movement of nonviolence. ("Nonviolence is the sword that heals.") Through the preceding years of education and organization, and the seemingly small and perhaps occasional victories that African Americans won via these fronts, they were able to lay the foundation for changes that they would someday be able to fight for openly, during the 1960s. The alternative would have been an eventual explosion of self-defeating unfocused rioting, violence and chaos in frustration, which would have yielded few if any real gains, and probably far more painful setbacks for African-Americans, as well as Americans of all colors and ethnicities in general.

Basically, you do what you can, when you can, with hope, faith and determination that the little victories now will add up to big victories later.

But I think before we even get to that point of planning for some future windows of opportunity, those of us on the Left have to figure out again who and what we are, and what we collectively stand for, even if we are all coming to that conclusion from different paths and walks of life.

We must have a a vision for the world we want, and a plan to bring it about in reality. It's not enough to despise the Dick Cheneys and George Bushes of the world, curse their names and call for their heads to be divorced from their bodies at the proverbial (or literal) guillotine. (I admit that I'm guilty of this myself more times than I can count.) It is okay to hate what these men represent and what they are doing to our fellow men, women and children and our planet. But we must not lose ourselves in blind hatred of those men themselves that we become what they are and lose sight of a better vision for our world.

So what if we do manage to Impeach George W. Bush and manage to oust Cheney and the entire Bush Cabal from power and throw the whole vile lot of them into prision where they belong? So what if we manage to withdraw all of our troops from Iraq and assess the billions of dollars' worth of damages to Halliburton, forcing it into unrecoverable bankruptcy and disincorporation. So what if we even manage to take back control of the media, or at least make it more representative of a diversity of views and opinions in America? What's our vision, what's our grand plan and what are we going to do that's so much better than the NeoConservatives' plan or the Dominionists' Plan. What is our plan, and how and why is it better for America?

This is where we must organize and educate ourselves -- around a vision and a plan for a better, prosperous and peaceful America and a better, prosperous and peaceful world. And then, when the opportunities come for us to strike back against the status quo, we must attack the power structure for its anachronistic and destructive behavior. But at the same time, we must present our own vision and plan for the future and explain exactly why it is better.

Posted by: NEOBuckeye on June 1, 2005 02:16 AM

Woo-hoo, Starcats has poted info on W. Mark Felt.

Posted by: shylurker on June 1, 2005 02:17 AM

I see it, shylurker. Very intersting indeed.......

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 1, 2005 02:58 AM

P.S.: That post that I did above is the 100th post of this thread!!!


100 posts and counting!!! =D

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 1, 2005 02:59 AM

NeoBuckeye, I always resonate with your posts....and I thought those same things as you wrote out so well. And I think the emphasis HAS to be on keeping our country truly free....on providing and enhancing the existing structure and idea of freedom ..... are there really any newer ideas (Bush certainly doesn't think so, since now the facade of his war has shifted to freedom and democracy)?

Maybe I sound reactionary, but we need to keep as much openess and basic fairness and adherence to some of the great philosophic underpinnings of this country....but hey, Franklin never thought it would work in the first place....and now we are finding out why. The problem is, so many people want the country the way it is now (and being a young country in a materialistic phaze doesn't help much)....we need to strengthen our own underpinings about WHY it is important to have a democracy.

Interesting also that Deep Throat is revealed at long last....good timing!

and lastly, it is often tragedy that changes people's hearts and minds....remember Pearl Harbor? It is usually pain and suffering which does the job more effectively than any other, which makes Gandhi's achievement even more amazing. Non violence as a way of life....

we need a Gandhi in this country now.

Posted by: judi gemini on June 1, 2005 03:17 AM

Just signed Conyers letter.
Feel very strongly that the machinations of the Republican Party must be brought down. The physical demise of this President would only make him a martyr. We are not into that.
That's why I keep my fingers crossed that a huge, and I mean HUGE, mass of corruption is revealed from top to bottom, and that the whole thing is revealed, layer by layer...pilloried and shamed beyond belief. And of course, revolution from within Republican ranks. Then we'll see who is "with 'em" and "who is against 'em."

Don't expect much from Cheney...he still believes, or says he believes that Saddam Hussein and Bin Ladin were buddies and masterminded 9/11 together...somehow. Some Aquarians are just downright crazy. I ought to know, I am one.

This is the beginning of my cycle of hell. Every bloody outer planet is making some sort of aspect to my natal chart from hell. As I said before, I come from a long line of nasty women, and nasty places. There's gotta be a reason. Probably, I was one of those unconsious souls eating bon bon's and reading comics when the lords of karma were passing out souls to good families. Finally, in desperation, realizing that I was still at the end of the line reading comics and eating bon bons, they shoved me into this dimension, saying, "sink or swim, party girl, it's time to get conscious!"
Born: Feb. 5th, 1947, 9:10 am, Beirut, Lebanon
11Aries39 rising. Nasty, nasty, nasty chart.

Posted by: Beasley on June 1, 2005 03:23 AM

But, at least you are consciously aware of your potential shortcomings, Beasley. You can make the most of them and turn disadvantages into advantages, right?

Although I have been studying basic Sun sign astrology since I was about 10 years old, it's only within the past 3 or 4 years that I've really begun to learn about everything else. Sure wish I had known about some of my natal aspects and transits that have been hitting me over the past 5 years, 7 or 8 years ago. There were times that I felt like I was going to die while my Progressed Moon conjoined my Progressed Pluto in Libra. Emotionally, in a way, I suppose that I did. Interesting, too, how many people with Natal Scorpio Moons came into my life during that time.

And now I know -- I get to do it all over again in about another 22 years!

Posted by: NEOBuckeye on June 1, 2005 03:49 AM

JO..Jung was just amazing with his connections...that was a very important scene you posted....and did you know that Jung considered himself to be the reincarnation of Goethe?

His Memories, Dreams and Reflections was a pivotal book for me, having read it right after having a spontaneous kundalini experience which rocked my boat a bit...namaste

Sally....Polish ghettoes, I see Polish ghettoes.....it isn't just the black man. The ghettoes already exist....they will just expand. But there is much creativity in such places.

And why....because all the money and power is being concentrated among the few. And that won't last....it never does. Did you know that B** has 'tasters' every where he goes? He is afraid of being POISONED...interesting....that is NEPTUNE.....or a past life memory!

Posted by: judi gemini on June 1, 2005 04:02 AM

judi gemini

I sincerely believe that GWB will never have genuine peace of mind/spirit for the rest of his natural born life. Bush will always be looking over his shoulder for assassins/terrorists and therefore must live with fear and trepidation for his own sorry life and that of his family members. His life will not be a life I would want or covet ~ even with all his money and presumed power. What a fear filled sorry existence awaits this evil little man.

Posted by: Starrynight/SN on June 1, 2005 04:27 AM

You know how women speak of 'forgetting the pain of childbirth'? I think we forget most of the pain we experience in life... either that, or I'm experiencing dementia! Flipped through my journals today, trying to trace tPluto's path through my chart.

I have a stellium in cancer which rules my XI house: Venus, Mercury and Mars & Chiron reside there, along with Pluto and Pallas and one or two more insignificant asteroids and probably a couple of fixed stars. As I have shared before, tPluto hitting my nASC and moving into my 1st house was glorious. The journey through Sagit which rules my IV House has been another matter. This transit has offered the most challenges for personal growth... and it’s not over yet!

When tPluto first entered Sagit my Mom moved from her physical home of decades, and then moved again in less than six months. She moved a final time three years later, when it hit my IC. Also, upon Pluto’s entry into Sagit one sister broke her leg, another moved to New Mexico, and my brother died, followed within a few weeks by an aunt, then a month or so later, a nephew. At the same time my daughter and her family moved away, to Florida. I was forced to admit that my goal of obtaining a masters was not to be, that I was in school alright, just not the formalized, structured one I thought... and yes, death and dying has been the focus... I am getting instruction in that area, but not as I thought I would! When tPluto hit my IC the first time, I was lying in a hammock in my woods and heard the squeal of brakes and the crush of metal... my neighbor’s car had struck a telephone pole and crashed at the end of our drive (a lane, actually). He was killed instantly. My Mom had a stroke, then an aunt and two uncles died. A second grandson was born. We changed the physical dimensions of my “home” by adding a buffer piece of property. And while all this was going on externally, my inner world was in chaos, with the layers of the onion peeling away. The second time it hit my IC, my Dad suffered a ruptured anuresym of the aorta and survived, after rehab and then open heart surgery. A stepdaughter died of lung cancer; another uncle died, and my daughter connected with her biological mother! Pluto continued its transit through my IV House, and I began a three year journey with my Mom and her struggle against colon cancer. My granddaughter was diagnosed with colon problems, as was my youngest sister; my brother discovered he had a 33 year old son! 9/11 hit all of us; my Mom passed; then another uncle, followed within a day by an aunt, and another uncle in April. My husband has had four cardiac episodes; another aunt is dying as I write. tPluto will be in my IV house until spring of 2013 and that wonderful, large extended family I was born into, will be gone. I myself may transit, who knows!

Posted by: Jo on June 1, 2005 04:42 AM

Oh, Jo, dear heart, that is simply staggering! What an astounding number of transitions you've experienced in the last several years. Lesser mortals would not have the wisdom of your perspective on it all, either. Strength and wisdom: Jo.

Posted by: shylurker on June 1, 2005 04:56 AM

Mon dieu, Jo! Mon dieu!
You give me hope. You are very lucid, and very vital. Maybe there is life after Pluto. In fact, I know there is. You have shown it. Peace

Posted by: Beasley on June 1, 2005 04:58 AM

Shy, Beasley --

I don't know about strength or wisdom... when things happen, they happen, individually, singularly... and then on reflection we see the relation, or the many... in my head they did not happen 'in a heap'... in fact, it is only in going through my journals that I can determine the time frame and that they happened in a Pluto transit. You will note that there is some joy in the transit, and in fact much more than I listed...

I truly believe that tPluto is transforming my focus from a personal, family orientation to a more universal one... the world is now my 'family' --- Namaste

Posted by: Jo on June 1, 2005 05:23 AM

Jo,

I have also had losses but nowhere as many as you. I'm not saying that it's a competition...what I'm trying to say is that each loss hurts as it's something taken away, a piece of the quilt has been removed (at least in this material plane), and you miss the person or event or place. When I took adoption training classes (never did adopt), I learned that every little change or loss deserves to be grieved for. It's not easy losing a lot of people who really know you and love you and carry your history. The extended family is so special because you know each other's history. A piece of you that was known since birth by these relatives is no longer known as well by the people who are left (my experience). Luckily, the Universe IS abundant and keeps giving...so, new people come in to your life who grow to love and appreciate you, and vice versa. Somehow you have to find a way to still get on the merry go round (at times anyway) and live in the moment. Just wanted to say something after I heard your experiences, experiences that you have often alluded to. I think they've given you a great deal of depth and spirituality. And, I appreciate the chance to get to know you a little better. I admire your courage, spirit, intelligence and forthrightness.

Namaste.

Posted by: Sharon on June 1, 2005 06:01 AM

Dear Dear Jo,
Your wisdom always shines through in your brilliant words .... such trials for you, yet I think destined to bring great things to humanity once you get through this. The greats of this world never had it easy - the dark night of the soul is there to serve a higher purpose.
From the family of world - lots of hugs and gratitude.

Posted by: Kiwijeanie on June 1, 2005 06:05 AM

When I did my 2nd level Reiki training about 1998, October, I think, we had a very deep meditation session, and then we were supposed to share. Everybody had had these divine revelations...and what was mine????? Well, I heard a voice tell me that I was going to have a guided tour of hell....and I saw a lot which I no longer remember.

And here it is 7 years later, almost, and I have come to the conclusion that it was true for me personally....and all of a sudden I am conscious that we are living in hell....something that cartoonists and comedians seem to know quite well, I think....

And yet I KNOW this here today is NOT hell for me....but I have been priveleged to see that hell exists and that many live it daily. Just read the news. Hell turned out to be watching my mother age (she is doing much better now, but her hell is loss of memory and she is aware that she has LOST her memory!)....but OMG, other people have such horrible hells that I feel like a real idiot for even making the analogy.

My mother went into the nursing home last year in June, just before the huge passing over which occured at the end of Sept/beginning of Oct of 2004. Her brother died in jan 2004 and her sister in Dec 2003; my dog and cat died on the same day in Dec 2002. I thought it was only me that experienced things coming in bunches....but then I remember birthday 40 when I got fired from my job, turned 40 and my dog died. So from charts you CAN see that for some it is always going to be that way (the stelliums, I think, contribute to that)....for others it will be harder to see the patterns. Diaries are invaluable!

True...you do not remember the pain of childbirth.

Posted by: judi gemini on June 1, 2005 06:15 AM

Sally,

You mentioned asking the the Negro American how he has survived the white man's dictatorship. A lot of it was by singing, dancing, laughing, and engaging in religious rituals which always included the aforementioned. An engagement in the present, which music does so successfully. Makes you forget your troubles completely. They say that if you were Black on one Saturday night in Memphis in the Beale Street heyday, you would never want to be white again.

You say it's strange. This need for a group that is less than. I think all men feel oppressed by the unseen forces of life, so they build a false power by subjugating another group. Even within the groups there are subgroups, as in the case of the African Americans whose light skinned members are prejudiced against their darker brothers.
Maybe the antidote is more knowledge of cosmic forces and a better relationship in that area. I guess an evolutionary cocktail is required.

Posted by: jm on June 1, 2005 10:02 AM

Jo,

I am being impacted by Pluto so heavily now that it's absurd. I feel like I am in the birth canal on my way to a new dimension. And I am experiencing exactly what you mentioned above...a transfer of focus from the personal to the universal. I keep trying to crawl back into my personal cacoon but the metamorphosis is already in progress.
So there.

Posted by: jm on June 1, 2005 01:43 PM

Positive news, Pat QOP.
http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0505/053105d1.htm

Posted by: shylurker on June 1, 2005 03:14 PM

MARS SPECTACULAR! Just got this by email with no link. It sounds like it is worth watching for.

The Red Planet is about to be spectacular! This month and next, Earth is catching up with Mars in an encounter that will culminate in the closest approach between the two planets in recorded history. The next time Mars may come this close is in 2287. Due to the way Jupiter's gravity tugs on Mars and perturbs its orbit, astronomers can only be certain that Mars has not come this close to Earth in the Last 5,000 years, but it may be as long as 60,000 years before it happens again.

The encounter will culminate on August 27th when Mars comes to within 34,649,589 miles of Earth and will be (next to the moon) the brightest object in the night sky. It will attain a magnitude of -2.9 and will appear 25.11 arc seconds wide. At a modest 75-power magnification

Mars will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye. Mars will be easy to spot. At the beginning of August it will rise in the east at 10p.m. and reach its azimuth at about 3 a.m.

By the end of August when the two planets are closest, Mars will rise at nightfall and reach its highest point in the sky at 12:30a.m. That's pretty convenient to see something that no human being has seen in recorded history. So, mark your calendar at the beginning of August to see Mars grow progressively brighter and brighter throughout the month.

Posted by: Nancy on June 1, 2005 03:49 PM

This Mars thing is happening again? It happened just a year or so ago. Or so I thought. Maybe I've been living in the future and just got back here from there. Hmmmmm.

Posted by: shylurker on June 1, 2005 03:55 PM

Sorry to awaken nausea this bright sunny morning, but do tend to this.
Should JEB run for president?
http://www.cnn.com/

Posted by: shylurker on June 1, 2005 04:00 PM

Beyond that Shylurker..............................
Now that we have received the news, there are quite a few, prepared to go out into the street to prevent nuclear waste dumping if it comes to that.
I am noticing that there are very few "sleeping" still round these parts. The Kerry Edwards bumper stickers remain...........
the Bush Cheney and yellow troops stickers seem to have disappeared from most of the cars! No flags either!!!!!!!!!!!
I frame my dissent in terms of coporate malfeasance, rather than critisim of the Admin. and get positive feedback which frequently leads to Admin., bashing!
Here is a good article.

(Associated Press, Nov. 8, 2006) The Democrats didn't waste any time after their landslide victory in Tuesday's midterm election that put them in charge, with huge margins in both the House and Senate.

The incoming Democratic chairs of the various investigatory committees announced that subpoenas would be going out immediately to the White House for all documents relating to when and how the decision to attack Iraq was made; to how far up the chain of command the authorization for torture went; and whether Bush and Cheney and/or their subordinates lied to the Congress and the American People. Congressional committees also will be on the lookout for evidence of Administration involvement in war crimes, bribery and election fraud, Democratic officials said.
http://crisispapers.org/essays-w/impeachment.htm
pQ

Posted by: Pat QOP on June 1, 2005 04:17 PM

Might the "drum beat" Sally referred to be such things as Ted Koppel reading the names of the 900 American soliders killed in Iraq since last Memorial Day? Interesting that the corporate media did not try to shut him down this time.

I will be printing the "Crisis Paper" article and reading that frequently to help manifest that reality.

Posted by: Victoria on June 1, 2005 06:56 PM

Oh, you wonderful Astroworlders are so wise. Jo and Judi Gemini you have expressed such poignant life stories here, also Beasley and NeoBuckeye are so profound; I get the sniffles just reading today’s great entries.

You may not think so now Jo but I see that you have a great strength from that stellium that gives you real backbone. I look at my chart with the planets spread out (with at least one planet or asteroid per house) and realize that it is a chart of the wishy-washy. When a planet transits a house it will have trines and sextiles as well as a conjunction, opposition or squares going on. So do I laugh or do I cry over a situation? (There are even two Yods pointing in opposite directions using Neptune!) In Sharon’s quilt analogy for life, you will have a huge bold, dramatic one, while my small one is made with tepid pastels.

Posted by: Jill G on June 1, 2005 06:59 PM

Jill G., how kind you are! tepid pastels indeed... I happen to like pastels. Maybe you had bold last go-round? I'm terrible at buffets, I always put too much on my plate... have a feeling I did the same when I picked the script for this lifetime! Overachiever --- let's do this and this, and ohhh boyy that will clean this up...!

Nancy,

I agree with Shy about the Mars encounter sometime back. Was it about the time USA military was heating up to invade Iraq? Does August portend more than bright sky? Sally is saying August will be an eventful month, what do you think?

JM,

Whip up one of those cosmic cocktails you keep talking about - I'll join you and we'll swap tales about energy changes...

Namaste all.

Posted by: Jo on June 1, 2005 07:41 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/01/laguna.landslide.ap/index.html

California landslide sends homes crashing

Two people suffer minor injuries


LAGUNA BEACH, California (AP) -- A landslide sent six expensive homes and a section of street crashing down a hillside Wednesday and damaged a dozen or more other houses.

More...

Posted by: Pat C on June 1, 2005 07:55 PM

Jm
Since you like Cotterell you may like to read John M Jenkins' book “Galactic Alignment”. I think it is brilliant how he puts together about the solstice-galaxy alignments spoken of in Mayan, Egyptian, Greek, Masonic and Vedic stories and artifacts. He went to Izapa and astronomically worked out that the GC and solstice Sun will be rising together by Mt. Tacana on 12-21-2012 and be in line with the Pleiades! In Vedic texts it also points to the end of the current descending Kali Yuga (materialistic) age we are in. A book that ties together astrology, mythology and archeology; how cool is that!

Posted by: Jill G on June 1, 2005 08:03 PM

Jo: I said from NOW until AUG. not August alone.
I am expecting mid-June until mid-July to be uncomfortable for Bush, his administration and the whole country. Then Saturn goes into Leo, hard days for the ego (Leo) and several, including Bush have early degree Leo planets.

It is somewhat dishearting to see so much revealed and can't get people to pay attention. I watched Hardball on Felt (and Claudia Dikinis at Starcats has a most excellent article on Watergate) Brokaw and Colson (Nixon advisor) had the best lines. Brokaw said Woodward and Bernstein brought "investigative reporting" back to news in the 70's and shook up a fat and lazy journalistic pool of reporters at the time. Matthews laughed nervously. Then Colson said there were flags as to the corruption of the Nixon administration, but people (including himself) get around money and power and their integrity goes out the door, and that's a flag when you find yourself compromising your integrity. Colson went to prison for his "compromised integrity" so he knows what he's talking about.

I did wonder if this revelation of a solved mystery (Deep Throat) might be an omen of solving some other mysteries. Or an omen of getting close to surfacing our own modern "Deep Throat"

* is very interested in finding out more about Deep Throat and Mr. Felt, maybe there is a scared guy inside the smirk, saying "help me, I want to get out."

Posted by: Sally on June 1, 2005 08:09 PM


Scientests experiment with "Trust" hormone...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050601/ap_on_sc/trust_hormone_2&printer=1

Posted by: wv on June 1, 2005 08:12 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/31/AR2005053100521.html

Court Overturns Arthur Andersen Conviction

Posted by: Pat C on June 1, 2005 09:40 PM

I am a silent memeber of this great group. BUt I would like to contribute this post
Thanks for the great site Sally.
Dilip
Can The Inauguration Chart Predict America's Future? by Mary E. Jarvis

(Reproduced from Dell Horoscope's July '05 issue)

Every nation on earth longs for peace, prosperity and social harmony. There are times, however, in the psychic evolution of human societies when those things are hard to come by. Judging by the astrological messages unfolding over the next four years, this will be one of those times.

The chart for the inauguration of an American president accurately portrays the nations fate during his tenure of office. This is why I was able to successfully predict the tumultuous roller-coaster ride of Bill Clinton's second term (July 1997 HOROSCOPE) and the war and the national upheaval of George W. Bush's first four years in office.

Sometimes an astrologer wishes she could wave a magic wand and change history for the better,and when I saw the aspects in the inauguration chart for 2005, I wished I had that magic wand. I was - I am - profoundly disturbed by the aspects in this chart. When I saw the messages it contains, I was filled with apprehension for my now very divided country.

The President must take the the oath of office around noon on January 20 in the year following his or her election. One look at the chart for noon on January 20, 2005, is enough to shatter the peace of mind of any astrologer, for two messages immediately stand out - visible to even a novice astrologer.

Mars and Pluto are in applying conjunction in the eighth house of death and transformation, and the ruler of the tenth house, Saturn, is retrograde and in its sign of detriment at the very bottom of the chart - within orb of opposing the tenth house Sun.

As if that wasn't telling enough, the Moon, ruler of the fourth house of endings, squares Uranus and approaches an opposition to the eighth house Mars.

Taking all the foregoing factors into consideration leads me to predict that this term of office - for whatever reason - will be uncompleted. It also will lead to truly astounding events that rock the very foundation of this nation.

The chart also contains a message I hesitate to deliver, but one I'm sure other astrologers are grappling with when they look at the symbolism in this chart. During George W Bush's second term of office, there is a strong likelihood of a nuclear attack in a foreign land resulting in mass casualties. This is shown by Mars nd Pluto approaching conjunction in the eighth house of death in the sign of Sagitarius. Sagitarius rules foriegn countries, and traditionally, it is the sign ruling the Arabic-speaking lands. Mars is the planet of warfare, violence, and attacks, while Pluto is the planet that rules atomic fission. Pluto is also the planet symbolizing extremism and absolutism - the desire to take things to the nth degree. The message is simple: warfare (Mars) is taken to absolute extremes (Pluto) in a foreign land (Sagitarius), resulting in death and destruction (Mars and Pluto in the eighth house). The exact way in which the symbolism will objectify is not in my power to discern, but objectify it will.

There are other messages to be derived from Mars and Pluto conjoining in Sagitarius in the eighth house. Mars is the planet not only of violence, but also of rage, and Pluto is the planet of both insatiability and obsession. Sagitarius is also the sign ruling conventional religion. We see in this symbolism absolute (Pluto) rage (Mars) concerning religion (Sagitarius).

Within the past few years, the issue of religion has convulsed our world. As astrologers realize, this is due to Pluto's current transit through Sagitarius. The world has become obsessed (Pluto) with the issue of religious beliefs (Sagitarius) - of what is and what is not 'moral' (Sagitarius). Pluto transiting through Sagitarius first objectified in the culture with the scandal of the Catholic Church's long cover-up of the sexual abuse of children by priests. Then came the 9/11 attacks on the nation by radical Islamic fundamentalists. Now we have experienced an American presidential election in which religion became both a decisive and a divisive factor in the outcome.

A Mars-Pluto conjunction in the eighth house of an Inauguration chart clearly indicates an aggressive drive (Mars) toward extremes (Pluto) regarding the question of religion (Sagitarius). It is the astrological signature of fanaticism (Pluto) taken as far as fanaticism can go. Yet, as Grant Lewi, a well-known astrologer of the 1940's once wrote, the eighth house is also the zone of 'self-destruction'.

In the inauguration chart, Mars co-rules the twelfth house of self-undoing and secret enemies, and here there is a warning about self-undong (twelfth house) arising through an obsession with all things Sagitarian - such as foreign (Sagitarius) wars (Mars) and the forcing (Mars) of beliefs (Sagitarius). We should not forget that the sign of Sagitarius also rules the law and the higher courts. In the inauguration chart, we see intense (Pluto) conflict (Mars) - even "to the death" conflict (Mars and Pluto in the eighth house) over the issue of the law and the courts (Sagitarius).

By now, it should be apparent that the next few years will be both wrenching and transformative for this country, and the other messages in this chart do little to undermine that conclusion.

The Moon rises in Gemini in this horoscope, symbolizing that the image (first house) the nation projects in the next few years is one of a divided (Gemini, sign of duality) people (Moon). The Moon separates from a square to Uranus in this chart, a sign that the people (Moon) are in a fractious and rebelilious (Uranus) mood (Moon). The Moon also applies to an opposition with Mars in the eight house, promising anger (Mars) over investments and economic (eighth house) issues, possibly leading to out-right confrontation (opposition aspect).

The Moon does, however, separate from a trine to the Sun in the tenth house and applies to a trine in the tenth. This symbolizes a level of public (Moon) empathy (Neptune) for the President (tenth house) - a sign that health crisis could well overshadow the second Bushterm (Neptune, planet of debilitation, in the tenth). This is also borne out by the Moon's wide approaching trine to Jupiter, an indicator of increased generosity (Jupiter) of feeling (Moon) for the President (tenth house). The trine of Jupiter to Neptune in the tenth house also supports this conclusion, for a Jupiter-Neptune trine symbolizes compassionate (Neptune) understanding (Jupiter). These two asects are, however, the only beneficial ones in an otherwise terribly afflicted chart.

The second house (the economy) is ruled by Mercury in Capricorn. Mercury benaficially conjons Venus, ruler of the first (image and intercepted in the sixth (employment), yet both planets approach an opposition to their dispositer, retrograde Saturn on the cusp of the fourth house. Mercury and Venus also square Jupiter, ruler of the eigth house of taxes and investments. The presence of Mercury and Venus in the ninth house of foreign countries reveals the importance of all things foreign in buoying up the economy. Squares to Jupiter are, however, signs of 'biting off more than you can chew' and promising more than can be delivered. Jupiter squares also symbolize dishonesty, and a square from Mercury to Jupiter means insincere (Jupiter) speech (Mercury). Since Mercury rules the sector of the economy and Venus has influence on the house of employment, we see a tendency to put a rosy shine on these two issues, and a possible tendency toward fudging statistics to make things seem better than they are (squares to Jupiter).

Jupiter rules the eighth house of investments and is in an applying square to retrograde Saturn at the bottom of the chart, a sign that expansion (Jupiter) is constrained (Saturn) or held in check. Saturn rules the house of the presidency and the government itself, as well as the ninth house of foreign affairs. Issues surrounding the presidency, the government, and foreign concerns will play a role in cooling down (Saturn) investments (eighth house).

Another sign of a socially consequential period is the presence of Uranus in the house it traditionally rules, the eleventh. The eleventh house symbolizes the legislature, the Senate, and the House of Representatives. Here we see a radicalization (Uranus) of those two bodies of government, yet great splits and divisiveness (Uranus) within their ranks.

The eleventh house also rules the masses,and Uranus is the planet of protest, and dissent. Falling in the eleventh house in square to the Moon (the people), Uranus promises a radicalization (Uranus) of the general public (Moon). Uranus falls in Pisces, sign of the vulnerable and the disenfranchised, so we see a clear astrological indicator of social protests (Uranus in the eleventh) on behalf of society's weakest members (Pisces).

Pisces also rules hospitals and prisons, and the currnt transit of Uranus through the sign augers a time in which the issues of prison (Pisces) reform (Uranus) and the reform of hospitals and nursing homes (Pisces) gain public attention. During the second Bush term, we may see prison (Pisces) riots (Uranus) on the increase.

During the first presidential term of George W Bush, Uranus fell in the tenth house of government, promising a radical change (Uranus) in the activities of government (tenth house), which certainly came to pass, for many pundits have described Bush's first term as taking the nation on a truly radical and unprecedented course.

With Uranus in the eleventh house during Bush's second term in office, it is the masses (eleventh house) who will be the harbingers of change and radicalization.(Uranus).

A Moon-Uranus square can indicate that the public (Moon) is upset or shocked (Uranus) over certain issues. There is a strong sense of instability and volatiliy (Uranus) within the public (Moon) - yet another sign of a very restive national term.

The fact that the Moon falls in Gemini, and late into the first house of this chart, is quite telling. It is a sign of the people (Moon) taking the initiative (first house). They will be vocal (Gemini, sign of communication) and they will be divided (Gemini) but they will be a force to be reckoned with during the next presidential term.

Three other factors also stand out in this chart, Pluto rules the seventh house of open enemies, as well as those who oppose the administration. Pluto falls in its own natural house, the eighth, and is conjoined to Mars, symbolizing opposition (seventh house ruler) that is extreme (Pluto in eighth house) and that may escalate into violence (Mars). The fact that Mars, intercepted ruler of the twelfth house of secret enemies, conjoins Pluto, ruler of the seventh houuse of open enemies, in the eighth house is a very ominous astrological augury.

Also, Jupiter rules the eighth house of death and transformation. It squares Saturn, ruler of the tenth house of the presidency, and sextiles the Mars-Pluto conjunction in the eighth house. This is is an extremely inauspicious astrological portent that can play out in a number of different ways.

The third factor is the exact inconjunct (150 degree aspect) between retrograde Saturn, ruler of the tenth house of the presidency and the government, and Pluto falling in the eighth house. I have found the inconjunct aspect to be malefic in effect, for it signifies zodiacal signs that can find no common ground. While the frustration implied by the inconjunct aspect is not so intense as to be overt - as with the opposition - it signifies a state of 'crossed signals', of 'glitches' and small frustrations, of not being entirely certain of the right course to take.

The first inauguration chart for the Bush administration featured Pluto in its own eighth house of death, and as history now records, a wave of death followed. The second Bush administration also features Pluto in the eighth house of death, but this time conjoined to Mars. Will the rising tide of of violence now engulfing our world become even more overt and bloody (Mars)? That is, sadly, what this aspect implies.

It is as clear as day astrologically that any president - of whatever party - inaugurated under these strange portents would face a very trying, difficult time. One look at Saturn - retrograde and in its sign of detriment, almost exactly opposing the Capricorn tenth house, which it rules, with the Sun therein - reveals that. This chart does not whisper its messages - it shouts them from the rooftops. Add to that very ugly eighth house Mars-Pluto conjunction and the Moon separating from a square to Uranus and applying to an opposition with that eighth house Mars - well, batten down the hatches, America.

Posted by: Dilip on June 1, 2005 10:05 PM

Dilip, Wonder analysis!! Also, the Pluto and Mars conjunction in the 8th in Sag also can be an assassination by a foriegner of an danger of an accident for Bush in a foriegn land. Also, look at the SUn/Neptune/Chiron conjucntion the MC (partile conjunction) This is very telling about some scandal in the media that obliterates the Admin,'s good name. I see the whole administration as the native in the chart. Good Work!!!

Whatever happens, Bush will not finish this term in office.

Posted by: Travieso on June 1, 2005 10:30 PM

Awesome forecast, Dilip!!! Keep us posted!!!

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 1, 2005 11:01 PM

Nice links, Jill G. Very useful and informative indeed! =D

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 1, 2005 11:02 PM

I agree that Bush will not likely finish this term in office. But this will not be caused by anyone on the political left. The right has nothing to lose and everything to gain from Bush's death. They probably had a hand in (or at least knew about 9/11). What would stop them from taking out one of their own if it served their interests?

Posted by: Dave on June 1, 2005 11:23 PM


Data Sought on Bolton Includes Company Names
By Douglas Jehl
The New York Times

Wednesday 01 June 2005

Washington - The information that the White House has refused to provide to Congress for its review into the nomination of John R. Bolton includes the names of American companies mentioned in intelligence reports on commerce with China and other countries covered by export restrictions, according to government officials who have been briefed on the matter.

MORE

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/060105G.shtml

Posted by: Pat C on June 1, 2005 11:26 PM

http://www.texasobserver.org/showForPrint_new.asp?ArticleID=13

The Pimping of the President

Jack Abramoff and Grover Norquist Billing Clients for Face Time with G.W. Bush

Posted by: Pat C on June 2, 2005 01:06 AM

Such good & hopeful messages and visualizations (except for the violence of course). I want them to come true but I don't want further violence. Let's pray for justice and a peaceful transition.

Posted by: Sharon on June 2, 2005 01:14 AM

And, yes, Sally, I hope all of this Deep Throat, Watergate talk is a portent of things to come. From your mouth to G-d's ears as the Jewish expression goes...

Posted by: Sharon on June 2, 2005 01:21 AM


The Huffington Report

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

Posted by: wv on June 2, 2005 01:39 AM

Dave, you are so right abouta * attack not coming from the left but the right. Interesting to note that the Republicans have always blamed the Democratic congress for pushing the investigation, but whenever they discussed who "Deep Throat might be, it was always a conservative thought to be loyal to Nixon. It's the right who eat their own, far more than the Dems ever could.

The article above is an interesting interpretation and she is right, it was a very chilling chart. But it isn't Mars conj. Pluto in the 8th that is the dangerous nuclear potential, it's the 9 degree Gemini unstable Moon, 9 degrees Gemini is know as the "nuclear degree." The Moon in astrology is always unstable, emotionally up and down, with Uranus at 9 degrees Gemini in the US Chart, and Uranus squaring off and on this year should give everyone an uncomfortable feeling. Gemini rules the 7th house in the US chart, and the anger toward us from the rest of the world is troublesome.

Posted by: Sally on June 2, 2005 02:12 AM

A study in Mars/Pluto on a personal note:
My 99 and 1/2 year old Mother: 1/28/06, 3:10 am Wilmington,Delaware: Moon cnj Mars in the 4th both of which sqr Pluto in the 7th.
My sister: 6/6/44 (D-Day), 12:10 pm, Princeton, New Jersey: Mars/Pluto conjunction in the 11th.
Me: 2/5/47 9:10 am, Beirut, Lebanon: Sun, Pallas Athena, Mars conjunction in the 11th, all of which oppose Saturn, Moon, Pluto in the 5th. And my sister's Mars/Pluto conjunction sits right on top of my tangled mass in Leo. As I said, a long line of nasty people in nasty places.

I am happy to say we have survived each other with a good deal of love, but I must also say that my sister and I really worked hard on ourselves to break what seemed to be a cursed Karmic knot. We each did, at different times, some heavy duty Jungian and other therapy and discovered that my mother was a good source of much of the problem. My sister and I figured that out later, after we had grown up a little and did our therapy. Now, will not allow my mother to triangulate surreptitiously anymore. My mother will remain toxic, unconscious and extremely loveable. And my sister and I seem to be continuing our journey of respectful consciousness towards each other. I hope our story has a happy ending so that we can have each other as loving kin for the rest of our lives.


Posted by: Beasley on June 2, 2005 04:01 AM

Sid Blumenthal has written another masterpiece which is posted over at salon.com. All you have to do is spend a few seconds watching a commercial, then entire the site. Blumenthal is writing about the torture being done in our names and with our tax dollars and about the disingenious responses of Smirky&Co. This is most grievous, disheartening and sickening.

Posted by: shylurker on June 2, 2005 06:50 AM

Somebody still has a good sense of humor:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0506/S00030.htm

Posted by: shylurker on June 2, 2005 07:00 AM

Shylurker, where do you find them. That is pretty funny, good sense of dry humor.

Posted by: Sally on June 2, 2005 07:49 AM

Jo,

It's decided. Cosmic cocktails on the North Terrace. Then maybe we'll dance on up to the stars if we get inebriated enough.

Jill,

I do like that Cotterell guy. He's so intense and earnest. Really wants those answers.
The Galactic Alignment sounds like it's just up my street. Thanks so much. I love being introduced to brand new things.

I also feel like this Watergate revisit could be a portent. Getting our skills sharpened again. But I am learning not to expect anything. I'm learning about pure hope. And not to be too disappointed if things don't seem to work out right. Who I am I to know?

Gotta take it as it comes. Or leave it. Or throw it away. Or embrace it. Or toss it up and around. Run with it. Oh, I don't know.

Posted by: jm on June 2, 2005 10:16 AM

http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2005/05/rightwing_olin__1.html

Right-Wing Olin Foundation, Major Benefactor of Law & Economics, is Closing Up Shop

http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2005/05/rightwing_olin__1.html

Right-Wing Olin Foundation, Major Benefactor of Law & Economics, is Closing Up Shop

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Posted by: Pat C on June 2, 2005 12:44 PM

Boy, I should have checked the Preview on that one. My aplolgies.

Posted by: Pat C on June 2, 2005 12:45 PM

http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2005/06/01/bush_and_torture/index.html

See no evil
Cloaked in myopic self-righteousness, the Bush administration is trying to make its gulag problem disappear by attacking Amnesty International. This isn't just blind and arrogant, it's harming the national interest.
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By Sidney Blumenthal

June 1, 2005 | President Bush's press conference on Tuesday, at which he denounced Amnesty International's annual report containing allegations of torture by the United States as "absurd" and dismissed all such allegations as inspired by terrorists, was the crescendo of a concerted administration campaign to stifle the rising clamor on its torture policy.
Amnesty International released its report on human rights on May 25. Among other findings, it documents that some 500 detainees are being held at the Guant‡namo military base. The Supreme Court ruled six months ago in Rasul vs. Bush that they are entitled to legal counsel and due process, but Amnesty noted that the detainees have not been provided with lawyers in secret administrative reviews to determine if they are "enemy combatants." And the more than 50,000 detainees being held in 25 prisons in Afghanistan and 17 prisons in Iraq are "routinely denied access to lawyers and families." An unknown number of people have disappeared into secret prisons -- having been "rendered" to U.S. allies like Uzbekistan, where torture is routine. The Amnesty report called this shrouded network "the gulag of our time," and concluded that the administration's methods are counterproductive: "The 'war on terror' appeared more effective in eroding international human rights principles than in countering international 'terrorism.'"
The Amnesty report followed on the heels of the Bush administration's blame casting at Newsweek magazine for provoking anti-American riots in Afghanistan that resulted in 17 deaths by its publication of a story that a Quran had been flushed down a toilet at Guant‡namo. After the anonymous Pentagon source for the item hesitated about his certainty, the Defense Department, through its spokesman, Lawrence Di Rita, demanded that Newsweek apologize, and editor Mark Whitaker abased himself elaborately for its error. But a week afterward the Pentagon disclosed that there had indeed been five incidents involving abuse of the Quran, though not a toilet flushing. (Some further clarification may be helpful on this fine point: As it happens, the detainees don't have flush toilets but buckets.) At a press conference on the same day the Amnesty report was issued, Di Rita was asked, in light of the acknowledged Quran abuses and the apology he had insisted that Newsweek make, "Mr. Di Rita, as the Department of Defense, are you going to present your apologies to the Arab world?" Di Rita replied: "For what?"

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Posted by: Pat C on June 2, 2005 12:59 PM

Sally,

I apologize for misstating your comments about NOW through August. I meant to bring tMars closeness in August to the already volitile climate predicted for August. You do a wonderful job of stating your comments with clarity --- don't need someone to try and put them in a 30 sec soundbite!

My Mercury needs a rest anyway... and have you guys noticed there is end to the sludge tPluto is throwing up for all to see? Evidence aplenty. This time period holds NO comparison to Watergate. Back then, the question was asked "What did the President know, and when did he know it." Today the only question is --- why doesn't the Republican Party bring its leadership to accountabililty? Why doesn't it impeach *? Well, d'uh! They're politicians.

Don't know about y'all, but I am really weary of the ongoing litany of revelations coming to the surface. However, couple of threads back, bhakti wisely said:

"Those in the sludge are really eliminating the Dream and becoming invovled in their own conciousness rather than in their own minds/dream/ illussions/ maya. At least our little boats meet in the ocean of conciousness and cyberspace enough to bouy each other during this sludge elimination time."

The news this am is that May was the deadliest month in Iraq since the Invasion, Washington creates 'terror' and Corporate Media continues to protect lies and coverups. But you already know that, right?

Ne illegitimi carbunculi tibi in facie sint!

Namaste

Posted by: Jo on June 2, 2005 01:13 PM

Carbuncle?

Posted by: jm on June 2, 2005 01:25 PM

When reading about the Christ conventions and when I hear RWer's talking over the radio what I hear is victim mentality. "I was a drunk and oh so bad, then I found Jaysus (and now I'll shove him down your throat too)". Wha Wha wha, me, me, me. 'Take care of me' is what they are really saying and they have found the perfect tyrants in politics to do so. Victim/Tyrant on the same coin. Very good analogy. Welfare Christianity.
Remember my RW cousin from the seder? He is always singing the blues since we were kids. Now I understand it: attraction (addiction) to misery and the denial that accompanies that vicitm mentality.

Zoom back to * and his Amnesty denial and calling it 'absurd'. He must think everyone loves misery just like him and his flock of sheeple.
Some bozo was on Randi Rhodes yesterday in the way back machine talking about Clinton's bj. Randi just talked over him and listed every cheater in government. Guy could not get a word in edgewise. He was so passive towards her tyranny (she was playing the Sean Hannity card).
Yes * you got your flock of ten year olds to tend too, those who can't talk back coz it was most likely whipped out of them by lovers of the Prince of Peace.

BTW Solar Arc Saturn right on natal Mercury 10H this year. Thanks to whomever (Nancy?) said it was about keeping one's ship in shape because talking, writing and socializing was ruled out over organizing my multi detailed career and studio. Also, triggering that was the Mars conj Uranus in Pisces in my 12H when I broke my toe!!!!

Posted by: bhakti on June 2, 2005 01:54 PM


More Mandeville..

http://www.michaelmandeville.com/earthmonitor/ecbulletins/2005/ecb_June_1_05.htm

Posted by: wv on June 2, 2005 02:33 PM

Sally and all,

The resident may be called to account in some way on Aug 15 of this year when Saturn will transit his secondary progressed Saturn by right ascension.

Also on that day Cheney will have the following transits:

Sun opp natal Mercury, square secondary progressed Uranus, square birthplace MC by right ascension and Jupiter opposite secondary progressed Sun. Could he assume the residency, even temporarily?

Of course my expectations could be all wrong as transiting Mars (13th thru 15th) will have squared the Sun, conjoined Jupiter and Saturn and squared Pluto, followed by Saturn (14th thru 31st) opposing the Sun, squaring Jupiter and Saturn, then conjoining Pluto in my own chart at that time.

Maybe I shouldn't be sticking my neck out about that time.

bob

Posted by: bob on June 2, 2005 03:57 PM

Jo, I am with you, I am a little worn out with all the revelations coming to the surface that go absolutely no where. When Nixon was impeached it was a Democratic House and Senate and they did jump on Watergate, would Republicans go after another Republican today? I don't know.

One interesting thing Claudia Dikinis pointed out to me was at the time of the Deep Throat/Woodward/Watergate connection, Woodward was going through his first Saturn Return and Felt was going through his second (29 and 58 years of age) now Woodward is in his second Saturn return and Felt his third. Saturn can be such a timing aspect.

Your story of your cousin and recount of the Randi Rhodes caller was so pointed in what happens in this country and for that matter other countries. I don't like this recent version of "daddy" we have in the WH, but I do see that I would like someone to come along to take care of all of this so I don't have to worry about it anymore. So am I just looking for my own version of Daddy, a nicer one, have we just been so trained in the Feudal system of government we don't know anything else to do.

It's interesting what is happening in Europe with the EU Constitution. The people have read all 480 or 600 pages and decided the don't want it, because of it's emphasis on "big business" control (fascism) Course like Pat C said in another post, they must have better voting machines than we do. Still, it's somewhat of a revolution going on in Europe. A demanding of accountability from their leaders, I hope we are on the threshhold of that in this country.

Bob, You could be absolutely correct about your prediction, because the energy for that to happen is there (Cheney to take power) That's what is so frustrating, the energy is there and has been the last 4 and a half years, on so many things, right down to a heartattack for the Veep, but it doesn't materialize.

I said in one of my articles or posts (don't remember) that a breakdown phase of the US and revelation of it's hidden masks and secrets was clearly indicated when Pluto went over the US Asc. and GWB/Cheney have been the perfect administration to preside over a breakdown phase, but I do think we are getting close (at least by 2006/07) of returning to a build up phase and it will need someone new to preside over a reconstruction, whatever that will look like and some of it people will like and some they won't like, but we will go on as a human race (unless Mother Earth gets sick of us and wipes us all out)

The biggest story right now is the disassembly of Congress. Saturn will square the Moon in the 7th house from the 4th ("why don't they like us.") Pluto is conjunct Pluto and Venus in the 9th, (obsessive power grabs that make them look like fools and exposes their power plays) Their constant reference to the "nuclear option" is a perfect metaphor to Mars (6 degrees Sagittarius) in the 8th house squaring Uranus (4 degrees Pisces) in the 11th. Uranus will go stationary direct in an exact square to that Mars in mid-November, they might find they have drawn the "nuclear option" to themselves and lost the people in the process. Some kind of rude awakening is in store for Congress as a whole.

Posted by: Sally on June 2, 2005 05:05 PM

reports that Al-Zarqawi died on Friday

http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level.php?cat=Terrorism&loid=8.0.173437230&par=0

Posted by: Sally on June 2, 2005 05:10 PM

here's a good link for everyone ......please pass along to your friends(esp. the tech-savvy computer geek types).....

my thoughts about reclaiming my country from these rethugs become more similar to Malcolm X's("by any means necessary") these days.....after all, they feel no guilt about ANY means to advance their draconian agendas....

http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/5921.html

namaste all and white light....

Posted by: Garry on June 2, 2005 05:18 PM

I'm gonna weigh in with some opinions: Al Zarqawi is being used as symbolism of who is in charge in Iraq. This brings cohesion with all the other thoughts on this thread of the Bush cabal going down, as has already been decided. Many thanks are due the French & the Dutch for voting down the EU constitution, but the ruling elite had already decided to massively hike the oil prices. Things are really gonna rock and roll now, and we better hang on. Here's hoping that Mars-Pluto doesn't ignite the spark to end all sparks in all your very dear personal lives.

Posted by: Peg on June 2, 2005 05:39 PM

I have seen other strology forecasts that do not bode well for Bush, The United States, and the world.


From every single astrology froecast that I have read (including Sally and Nancy's) over the many months, this summer is going to be VERY interesting, and I mean VERY.

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 2, 2005 05:52 PM

Peg, I am wondering about the Mars/Pluto conj. in Sag in the Inauguration (Is that what you were referring to?) when the progressed Moon in the Inauguration Chart opposes Mars in late October. Nothing is ever happening alone and it's impossible to pick out one aspect and say "that's the one" to set things off, because when the progressed Moon opposes Mars it is also trining the Inaugural Jupiter.

I will say that every assassination or presidential death has happened when Neptune was at 15/16/17/18 of a fixed sign and it's there now in Aquarius. Oh yes, it's a rock and roll spring and summer.

Posted by: Sally on June 2, 2005 06:21 PM

Government demands private medical records

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/01/national/01indiana.html?oref=login

Planned Parenthood Is Told to Show Children's Files

Planned Parenthood of Indiana has to show state investigators the medical records of some of its youngest patients, a judge ruled on Tuesday. The judge rejected the organization's contention that disclosing such records could have a chilling effect on patients across the state.
Since March, Attorney General Steve Carter has been seeking the records of more than 80 patients younger than 14, saying his Medicaid fraud unit is trying to determine whether children have been neglected because molesting incidents were not reported to the authorities as required. Under Indiana law, anyone under 14 who is sexually active is considered a victim of sexual abuse, and health providers are required to report such cases to the state authorities.

In his ruling, Judge Kenneth H. Johnson of Marion Superior Court denied the Planned Parenthood request for a preliminary injunction against Mr. Carter's office, which has obtained parts of 8 patients' records and is seeking the records of 76 others.
"The great public interest in the reporting, investigation and prosecution of child abuse trumps even the patient's interest in privileged communication with her physician, because in the end, both the patient and the state are benefited by the disclosure," Judge Johnson wrote in a 23-page decision.
The chief executive officer of Planned Parenthood of Indiana, Betty Cockrum, said it would fight the ruling and continue to protect the records of clients - the more than 100,000 patients who went to the 40 Indiana health centers last year.
"It's surprising and disappointing," Ms. Cockrum said in a telephone interview. "Patients beyond Planned Parenthood's are looking at this decision with some anxiety. People believe their medical records are sacred."
Kenneth J. Falk, a lawyer for the Indiana Civil Liberties Union who is representing Planned Parenthood, said he was seeking a stay of the ruling and would take the case to the state court of appeals if necessary.
Nationally, Planned Parenthood officials and other supporters have likened the situation in Indiana and a similar request for medical records in Kansas to fishing expeditions and say they fear that it is part of a strategy to intimidate providers of reproductive health services.
Ms. Cockrum also questioned the nature of the investigation by the Medicaid fraud unit, saying most of the cases dated from several years ago and hardly seemed to be the emergency that Mr. Carter has portrayed. She said no case involved abortions.
"If we're really concerned about sexual predators, I'm pretty sure this is not the most efficient and effective way to deal with that," she said. "The most recent case was from 18 months ago. Show me the sense of urgency on this."
Staci Schneider, a spokeswoman for Mr. Carter, a Republican, said the Medicaid fraud office was simply pursuing an issue it was required to pursue, the possibility of wrongdoing by a Medicaid provider - Planned Parenthood, in this case - for failing to report child abuse.
"We have a job to do and we need to investigate alleged wrongdoing," Ms. Schneider said, adding that the office had conducted 1,000 investigations in the last year that required some reviews of medical records. "This is part of the process."
She said the investigators would not try to seize the rest of the records immediately, but would wait until any appeals were completed and a final decision was reached.
Doctors and clinic workers who fail to cooperate with Medicaid fraud investigators can be removed from the program.
"That," Ms. Schneider said in the Planned Parenthood case, "is an extreme remedy and one we would hope to avoid."

Posted by: Pat C on June 2, 2005 06:49 PM

A friend sent me this today and I thought I'd share it:

When *ush speaks it's always like he's in denial of what is really going on around him:

Does Everybody Notice I'm Always Lying? = DENIAL

Posted by: Camille on June 2, 2005 06:59 PM

OMG, al Zarqawi has died again! And it seems late last night I read that King Faud was back alive. Will wonders never cease?

Posted by: shylurker on June 2, 2005 07:16 PM

Oh Gawd/ess how I wish to wake up one day and all this was a bad dream. But we continue to trugde through sludge which keeps my awareness level high. Playing the ALL GOOD card is the biggest lie in duality. Sheeples are gonna have to fall off the wall of denial at some point. I'll say again, when corruption reaches into their own pockets deep enough and entitled luxuries are denied the sheeples will awaken. That is the boundary point IMHO. The glaze over the eyes at the shopping mall and in front of giant TV screens are there for a good reason. The guy on Randi was basically saying because his life is good he'll defend any person who upholds his lifestyle.

I was working out to a sanskrit chant and decided at the 12:12 I would stop to read the English for that would be my lesson. The English said 'Truly when affluent, the wicked become deluded" how's that for timing?

Posted by: bhakti on June 2, 2005 07:17 PM

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/226661_felted.asp

Watergate: Secret source of secrets

SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER EDITORIAL BOARD

Mark Felt's decision to disclose that he was The Washington Post's Deep Throat source on the '70s Watergate scandal has come at a propitious time for U.S. journalists. It's a nostalgic and welcome reminder that there can be merit in the use of anonymous sources and honor in safeguarding their identity.

Our profession has been rocked with controversies over reporters' refusals to identify the source who "outed" CIA operative Valerie Plame, editors cuckolded by phony sources cooked up by reporters Jayson Blair and Jack Kelley and Newsweek's retraction of the anonymously sourced Quran-in-the-toilet story.

In the Watergate story, Post reporters Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein put to extensive yet judicious use an anonymous source of which journalists' dreams are made: the No. 2 official at the FBI.

Just as important is the fact that Woodward, Bernstein and the Post editors did not rely on that single source, no matter how highly placed. As the two reporters said in an official statement Tuesday confirming Felt's Deep Throat identity, "many other sources and officials assisted us and other reporters for the hundreds of stories that were written. ... "

Bernstein added, however, in a New York Times interview, "There's no way this reporting could have been done, nor is there any way that good reporting at a lot of places can be done, without anonymous sources."

More...

Posted by: Pat C on June 2, 2005 07:28 PM

US Admits Insurgents' Resources Increasing
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/060205Y.shtml

Posted by: Pat C on June 2, 2005 07:47 PM

Amnesty Strikes Back at Bush Administration
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/060205X.shtml

Posted by: Pat C on June 2, 2005 08:40 PM


How Many are still in Effect???

http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/usa-constitution.shtml

Posted by: wv on June 2, 2005 09:36 PM


Message from Matthew 5/23/05

http://educate-yourself.org/mw/message23may05.shtml

Posted by: wv on June 2, 2005 09:51 PM


Thinking of leaving.....

http://proliberty.com/observer/20050519.htm

Posted by: wv on June 2, 2005 10:04 PM


Prosecute Bush for War Crimes...

http://edstrong.blog-city.com/read/1319360.htm

Posted by: wv on June 2, 2005 10:07 PM


More fun from the Idaho Observer...

http://edstrong.blog-city.com/read/1319360.htm

Posted by: wv on June 2, 2005 10:19 PM

Sally, I was refering to tomorrow's exact square,(but the Neptune degree is sure interesting!) here is Ralfee Finn's "take" on it: Tomorrow, the on-going Pluto-Mars square is exact and separating, and when harsh combinations reach a peak and release, we experience increased intensity. Both Mars and Pluto symbolize energy; Mars is physical, Pluto, atomic, and squares generates friction; that friction creates sparks and those sparks ignite bonfires. And yes, some are vanity based. So don’t be surprised if the week turns explosive with emotional, tantrums or hissy fits, yours or others.
Also, for anyone interested, here is a great article on the EU; French and Dutch Patriots Rout the New World Order:http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3174

Posted by: Peg on June 2, 2005 10:38 PM

Remembering that Cheney was born less than a week after myself I checked his chart and found that betwen Aug 7 and Aug 15 he will be dealing with transiting Mars and Saturn but in place of the Sun/Pluto opposition in my natal chart he will have secondary progressed Mars in opposition to his natal and secondary progressed Pluto both squared by natal Jupiter and Saturn. He will be under severe stress himself at that time. This will be the only pass that transiting Saturn will make to that Mars/Pluto opposition.

So while * is having Saturn conjoined his progressed Saturn Cheney is having Saturn conjoined his progressed Pluto.

If not removal from positions of power perhaps removal of power associated with those positions? Lame ducks indeed. The fireworks begin in June this summer!

bob

Posted by: bob on June 2, 2005 11:17 PM


A fun lookback 5 years ago...

http://dir.salon.com/people/col/pagl/2000/04/05/mcmedia/index.html

Posted by: wv on June 3, 2005 01:47 AM


David Icke is on Coast to Coast tonight...
here is his take on Bush's second term....

http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles2005/busharticle.shtml

Posted by: wv on June 3, 2005 02:24 AM

For VCZ's oxytocin files...~'Trust' hormone identified, breathe and believe..
http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=12240&hed=%E2%80%98Trust%E2%80%99+Hormone+Identified§or=Capital&subsector=VentureCapital

Posted by: tseka on June 3, 2005 02:49 AM

Wow, I just found out from Randi Rhodes why those mean old Fascists hate Hillary so much. She was a young lawyer on the prosecution side of the Watergate suit! The evil scum still blame her for getting their man run out of office and want revenge! Wow.

Posted by: Jill G on June 3, 2005 03:00 AM

This morning i sat on a bio-ethics committee meeting as a long term care Ombudsman (state/fed certified volunteer who ensures the rights of residents in skilled nursing facilities.) At issue was removing the vent of a woman who is at the end of a long terminal illness. Her advanced directive was unimpeachable. Never the less, administration, physician, social services, family and ombudsman gathered to make certain that all voices were in agreement.

What could have been a quiet decision between family and physician is now political. All parties want to make sure there are no repercussions. -And just where would these repercussions come from i ask- This is the insidious infiltration of the "culture of life" another layer of fear is added to what is already a traumatic moment.

In earlier discussions we here spoke of protesting, hitting the streets, raising our voices, sticking our necks out. Here is one arena in which i choose to battle, raise my voice, stick my neck out. The need is desperate all around us.

tseka

Posted by: tseka on June 3, 2005 03:31 AM

My new supervisor would like a cold professional. Compassion is stupidity- new rules. Instead i choose to hold the greiving daughter and share tears, all of our losses are precious. Compassion heals...me as well...
These are the people who need to be routed out of our bureaucracies, how did we ever allow them in the first place? It appears to have trickled down or possibly up. i'm hoping that if we shift the base the top will tumble down...or vice versa.

Posted by: tseka on June 3, 2005 03:45 AM


Fiore - Democracy Lite

http://www.sfgate.com/comics/fiore/

Posted by: wv on June 3, 2005 04:05 AM

OMG, I never thought of this before until I read it in the David Icke article wv posted. Bush being assassinated would fit right in with the Neocon plan, if it could be blamed on a "terrorist." Cheney would then have the perfect reason for another war. Also, the pictures alone in this article - Condi showing her dark side, Bush in a Hitler pose, and Cheney looking twisted and sinister - are worth the read.

Posted by: Sharon on June 3, 2005 04:24 AM

This is profoundly sick, the latest that Aravosis has posted over at americablog.

http://www.americablog.org/

Go soon, as he moves stuff very quickly. It has to do with the utterly disgusting smear that is being directed at Felt. The charge: he's a Jew!!!!!!! Unbelievable.

Posted by: shylurker on June 3, 2005 04:24 AM

Guys and Gals,

I really need your advice. I read that the Minutemen were coming to Texas, so I wrote them an email to tell them not to bother. This is my home state, and God for bid, we don't need them stirring up racial hatred here.

This is what I wrote:

Please, stay out of Texas!!! When you come here, you are the foreigner. We don't need some "out of staters" coming here telling us how to run or business. Maybe that anti-hispanic racism flies in Arizona, but we are doing just fine here without you.

To me you are the foriegner, so move along a take your operation to the Canadian border!!(remember, the 911 hijackers came through the Canadian border) SO LEAVE US ALONE!!!

This is what they wrote back to me:

Dear wanna-be Texan.

I am a real Texan....used to live there...looking forward to moving back. Sorry the MM are going to ruin your drug trade. How many kids in elementary school did you solicit drugs to today? How many slaves did you import into the US today for exploitation? You see, YOU are the devil in this plan. The MM are already forming in Texas and there are several hundred more coming soon from all across the nation. Thank you for your email address and email. We know where you are via covert email trace. [that's legal. sorry, loser]. Expect to be watched by law enforcement during our visit. Yes, you are now on "that" list. :)

Jim Gilchrist, Founder - The Minuteman Project


This sounds threatening to me, especially about going to the cops. For what? I don't know. Now I'm worried that they will try to send me a virus or something. I really need your advice. I'm thinking about talking this to my representatives office or my senotor. What do you all think?

Posted by: Travieso on June 3, 2005 09:28 AM

I used to live in Texas. Now I live in China where the jobs are. Come to China. bjt

Posted by: Betsy on June 3, 2005 10:08 AM


===== Mark Morford's Notes & Errata =====
SFGate.com - Friday, June 3, 2005

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bush, The Spoiled Man-Child
What causes the fall of empires? Why, stubborn leaders who speak like toddlers and never admit mistakes
By Mark Morford

Know what real men do? They admit their mistakes. Know what real people do in times of great stress and strife and economic downturn? They seek help, understand they don't know all the answers, realize they might not've been asking the right questions in the first place.

Know what great leaders, great nations, do at times of war and fracture and massive bludgeoning debt? All of the above, all the time, with great intelligence and humility and grace and awareness and shared humanity. Or they die.

But not BushCo. This is the hilarious thing. This is the appalling thing, still. How can this man remain so blindly, staggeringly resolute? How can he be so appallingly ignorant of fact, of truth, of evidence, of deep thought? In short, what the hell is wrong with George W. Bush?

Here it is, another bumbling, barely articulate press conference by Dubya, one of the few he ever gives because he clearly hates the things and is deeply troubled by them, hates reporters who ask complicated questions and hates people who dare doubt his simple mind-set, his effectiveness, his policies, his lopsided myopic one-way black/white good/evil worldview. ...

(click here to read the rest)

Posted by: wv on June 3, 2005 12:04 PM


OOOOppps

Click here to read the rest...

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2005/06/03/notes060305.DTL&type=printable

Posted by: wv on June 3, 2005 12:07 PM

Kryon's "Current Events"

http://www.kryon.com/k_chanelDC05.html

Reminds me of messages from Michael posted by wv(thanks for that)

Posted by: Laurie on June 3, 2005 12:21 PM

Travieso, that is terrifying. But if you ask me, it is only a scare tactic, you will not be in any danger. These people are bullies and they revel in it. Try not to worry, but writing your representatives couldn't hurt. Good luck.

Posted by: Laurie on June 3, 2005 12:56 PM

Fears that the draft might be reinstated has be revealed in the Washington Post and ny Starcats astology! Will Bush reinstate the draft to continue his illegal War in Iraq and his campaign to dominate the world? Read on:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/01/AR2005060101654.html

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 3, 2005 01:10 PM

Travieso,

By all means forward their threatening email to Law Enforcement and your Representatives and the Media and anyone else you feel might be interested in reading it. To my understanding, you CAN NOT legally threaten someone via email and for a group like the MM to warn you that you're now on a List and will be Watched goes against your Rights. They're not a Law Enforement Team ... their renegades with rifles, neve a good combo.

So, forward this as a concerned citizen who feels threatened. And forward immediately (unopened if possible) any other messages you get from them to Law Enforcement and your Rep. Let THEM get the virus and get pissed enough to put a stop to what they're doing.

I really do think this country has gone completely insane. :-(

Posted by: Jonathan on June 3, 2005 01:46 PM

Tseka,
Your kind e-mail, was bumped off the bottom of my hotmail list, by offers for free gas for a year etc. while the IP was out for 3 days. We hadn't had a chance to answer you. I was planning to respond.
Things are moving too fast here............The cat scan has revealed a mass on my son's lung ( under the sternum ) Next stop.......a biopsy ( pluroscopy?) He hasn't had the stamina to complete the homeopathic symptoms software yet. He just sleeps..........Tr pluto is applying to his IC (6o) & N saturn (7o)
Mindful that that placement in his Father's chart did indicate the end of things..............and Jo's experience as told above, I looked back at my own chart.
With pluto in leo squared to my sun and moon, as it hit my IC,
( 1955) I was just home 2 weeks from my wonderful summer in Germany, ( I didn't want to leave, I felt I belonged there! Just looked; that was on a moon IC line in my astrocartography!)
I was entering my senior year in high school...........................and I was 2 months away from losing my virginity to my husband to be.........thus deciding the course of my future on an unconscious, emotion driven basis, rather than logic or reason!!!!!!!! ( a metophoric death!)
Interesting...........this xian friend that is sending me e-mails with petitions to support ***sh's prayer in schools. This woman who will benefit from her father in law's Bechtel spoils, was a "ho" in high school! I......was a niave spiritual, high minded, innocent; but the proximity to her, may have prevented some of the "nicer" boys from dating me, providing me with braoder choices.......!
(jupiter in 10th opposite nept in the 4th....with Mom flat out alchoholic, incaable of maturnal guidance!)
My Father died when pluto was in my 5th house ( loss of my main, unconditional, emotional support in my art career, and 7 years later, 1o past my NN, 1o from my 6th cusp, my ex-husband died. Pluto in the 6th has NOT FACILITATED my art career AT ALL!
Thanks for listening.........gotta go open the library.........hope this revelation leads to growth!!!! It certainly complicates
( neptune) the fact of my son being ill!
PQ

died
This gives me something to ruminate while I'm shelving books today!!!

Posted by: Pat QOP on June 3, 2005 01:47 PM

Pat PofQ,

White light to your son, and to you... (((Pat)))

Namaste

Posted by: Jo on June 3, 2005 02:02 PM

Re questions about the draft: this article indicates growing problem for recruitment: Parents!!! Parents who don't want their children to die for a needless, illegal war... Parents who are fighting for their kids...

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/03/nyregion/03recruit.html?ex=1275451200&en=22c089b33859eb7f&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

Posted by: Jo on June 3, 2005 02:04 PM

Thank you guys so much for the advice. I live only a mile from the state capital. I think I may take a trip there today with a copy of the email.

I agree. I do think that it is a scare tactic, but I think that they are going to far. Thanks again you guys!!!

Posted by: Travieso on June 3, 2005 02:32 PM

More shifts in energy this month. Mother Ceres turns Direct on June 26th at 14 degrees Scorpio. She is a guest in Pluto's house. Perhaps she will energize many more mothers to stand against the destructive energy of war... perhaps she will energize many more mothers (and fathers) to protect their children when the 'empire' comes calling.

I recall an exercise in a workshop for 'death and dying' that I participated in decades ago... the premise was that there was a slender beam positioned between two opposing skyscrapers. The question was posed, what would motivate you to risk your life, traverse the beam to the other side? A fancy sports car? Promise of a megabucks job? A million dollars?

Heights bother me... none of the above motivated me. Then the facilitator suggested the life of your child? Would you cross the beam to save your child? In a skinny New York minute! You betcha!

Collapse of the economy will provoke anger, frustration and a sense of powerlessness. A draft and the forced enlistment of the comfortable (soon to be extinct) Middle Class will provoke a backlash of anger and opposition. On some level even the unenlightened fascist regime intuits this.

Mother Ceres will be moving forward soon, we shall see what it takes for Americans to 'cross the beam' to oppose the rising 'Empire'...

Maya at Daykeeper Journal has a few comments about the stations this month. They add to the treasure we already have from Sally and Nancy and others:

~ship~

"...Jupiter represents growth. Personally, how can you grow through partnerships? Through the arts? Through rebalancing your life? What opportunities might you take advantage of now?

Jupiter now is connected with Uranus, which tells us to be independent.

Uranus shows our independence, our genius, where we are not constrained by tradition or expectation. When we break through those restraints, there are surprises. Thus Uranus is unpredictable.

Uranus turns retrograde on June 14 at 11 Pisces. Uranus travels in one sign for more or less seven years. It is retrograde about five months out of the year. When Uranus is traveling retrograde, we become less daring and less rebellious. Our independence develops on the inside, more in tune with our authentic selves.

Right now Uranus is part of a grand trine in water signs—Cancer, Scorpio, and Pisces. Emotions rule, and will do so for the remainder of the retrograde trip, through mid-November.

Uranus tends to be rational, but now it is driven by emotions. Confusing?

At this time, restless First Quarter Moon in Virgo is dealing with Pluto’s explosive and transformative talents—this along with Uranus’ unpredictable energy state. It’s definitely a recipe for emotions to dominate.

Stationary Jupiter aspected Uranus. Stationary Uranus aspects Mother Ceres. And Ceres too makes a station this month. She turns direct on June 26 at 14 Scorpio. Those stations give these three planets extra punch and significance."

Namaste

Posted by: Jo on June 3, 2005 02:51 PM

Remember, Travieso, if they keep threatening you, DO bring it up with your local authorities so thay can take care of it, and if need be, also alert the FBI, especially if they get nasty to the point of threatening your family or community.


You know, some people take the idea of patriotism and nationalism a bit oo seriously (superpatriots, they would be called), and ruin it for all of us. Some peopel take things too seriously and should just chill out, as they have narrow-mided paraniod view of things, especailly issue that they feel stringly about. These people use these ideals to boost thier own egos, altough the very idea of being a superpatriot is having an ovrinflated ego, which can hurt or kill others, and even alienate people from them, even those that were close to them before.


There is nothing wrong at all with being patriotic (I am and do support our troops), or expressing your opinion about something you feel strongly about (I respect other peoples views and opinions), just don't go too far wiith it, that's all.

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 3, 2005 02:51 PM

Thanks for the Neerav,

I al very patriatic myself. I love this country, and that is why I am sickened by there vision of a vigilanty type group coming here and stirring up alot of racial hatred.

Sure, I believe that we should reform immigration, but know the Texas/Mexico border, I know that this can only cause trouble. Firstly, how will they know who is legal and non-legal? The border is such a racial melting pot, that this seems ridiculous. Are they going to ID every person with brown skin. even though the population on the border is about 86% hispanic.

Thanks again for the support.

Posted by: Travieso on June 3, 2005 03:01 PM

White light to you and your son from me too, Pat QOP.

Posted by: Marcia on June 3, 2005 03:18 PM

Pat Q (((hugs and Light)))!!!!!!!!

Travesio,
You can block unwanted emails in your mailbox preferences.

Did I tell you all about the yoga lady who sent me a Green Party candidate (RI -he lost) for State Senator who bribed me for money to get his lousy picturebook manuscript to an editor wink wink? Yoga lady was ungrateful about my NO. So I told them both where to go jump and no bribes from untalented creeps. I finally got to say 'shame shame' to a politician's face and his partner in crime, felt good. Then they were blocked from my email address. I have to do this with certain wackos who are pissed I cannot get them a publishing job. (I can hardly get myself a publishing job). BTW
I now have no qualms in busting this creep who wanted a bribe because he has no business running for public offfice with those ethics.

Posted by: bhakti on June 3, 2005 03:35 PM

Pat PQ, deerheart if i can be of assistance you need only e-mail. A mass under the sternum, this is where allopathic (conventional) medicine shines. It can peer inside and discover causes. Homeopathy and other healing energies can provide good support in complement. I wish E the best on his path.

I would like to leave you with a hopeful thought, rather than focusing on the dark potential of pluto perhaps you can see it as a gate, a passage. When cancer visited me it was in the form of a rare invasive pelvic cancer with only a two year survival prognosis. When i received this news i sat down on the floor of my bedroom facing the sunrise and asked the universe "what do you wish me to know?" the answer for me was "i give to everyone who gives to me" A door opened where i could see the dependencies i allowed and how i had disabled others and myself in the process. I did not die of that cancer it completely disappeared, the work continues daily. i open my heart to the sky and ask always "what do you wish me to know". I don't know any answers barely do i know the questions but i do sense that cancer and other illnesses are best friends with fear.

Warm thoughts flowing outward. tseka

Posted by: tseka on June 3, 2005 03:40 PM

Such beauty and wisdom here on Astroworld, it warms my heart.

Posted by: Pat C on June 3, 2005 03:44 PM


BRIGHT SIGNS!
How many members of your sign does it take to change a light bulb?

ARIES: Just one. You want to make something of it?

TAURUS: One, but just try to convince them that the burned-out bulb is useless
and should be thrown away.

GEMINI: Two, but the job never gets done -- they just keep discussing who is supposed
to do it and how it's supposed to be done!

CANCER: Just one. But it takes a therapist three years to help them through the grieving process.

LEO: Leos don't change light bulbs, although sometimes their agent will get a Virgo in to do the
job for them while they're out.

VIRGO: Approximately 1.000000 with an error of +/- one millionth.

LIBRA: Er, two. Or maybe one. No, on second thought, make that two. Is that okay with you?

SCORPIO: That information is strictly secret and shared only with the Enlightened Ones in the
Star Chamber of the Ancient Hierarchical Order.

SAGITTARIUS: The sun is shining, the day is young, we've got our whole lives ahead of us, and you're inside worrying about a stupid burned-out light bulb?

CAPRICORN: I don't waste my time with these childish jokes.

AQUARIUS: Well, you have to remember that everything is energy, so....

PISCES: Light bulb? What light bulb?

Posted by: wv on June 3, 2005 04:46 PM


Laurie

Thanks for the Kryon post - worth reading. I
enjoyed it.

Posted by: wv on June 3, 2005 05:45 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/06/03/blair.bush.reut/index.html

Blair to press Bush on Africa

Britain's Tony Blair will try to sell his plans to lift Africa out of poverty and tackle global warming to a reluctant President George W. Bush next week with supporters and critics declaring now is the time to deliver.

The prime minister, who will be in Washington on Monday and Tuesday, has staked his reputation on helping Africa during Britain's presidency of the G8 group of rich nations.

He has also pledged to address climate change, despite America's refusal to sign up to the Kyoto protocol on cutting greenhouse gases.

Few doubt Blair's commitment on both issues but his belief that standing loyally with Bush -- through Afghanistan and Iraq -- was in Britain's national interest faces a severe test.

If he gets no payback from his U.S. ally now, there will be upset. "He must cash in that political capital," one senior aid campaigner said.

With just a month to go until the leaders of the G8 nations meet in Scotland, London is frantic for progress.

More....

Posted by: Pat C on June 3, 2005 05:49 PM

PLEASE CIRCULATE WIDELY:

Kraft Foods is a major sponsor of 2006 Gay Games in Chicago. The bigots have started a phone call campaign asking them to drop their sponsorship of this event. They are being flooded with phone calls. Please call them to thank them for their support.
Their toll-free number is 1-800-323-0768

Posted by: Pat C on June 3, 2005 06:15 PM

For all of us space junkies, check this out:

http://spacewander.com/USA/english.html
It takes 12 minutes to view it all.

Posted by: judi gemini on June 3, 2005 06:16 PM

I just read the Kryon stuff and I highly recommend that you all read it in it's entirety. It really seems to express truth in a way that I've only found before in "Conversations in G-d." It's very hopeful and encouraging and clarifying.

Sharon

Posted by: Sharon on June 3, 2005 06:27 PM

Here's the link again. Laurie, thank you so much for posting it. It's far deeper than current events and covers everything from why we're in the mideast to the reincarnation of beloved pets.

http://www.kryon.com/k_chanelDC05.html

PQ, my heart goes out to you and your son. We are with you in all of this and surround you in love and light.

wv, thanks for the bright ideas!

Posted by: Sharon on June 3, 2005 06:31 PM

When you call the 800 number you are connected with an out-sourced answering service. The person answering states that, "Kraft is committed to diversity, which strengthens our company," obviously reading from a script. Maybe letters would be better.

Posted by: Pat C on June 3, 2005 06:49 PM

Breaking News : Kerry To Push For Bush Impeachment

Posted by News Reporter on 2005/6/3 10:29:52

John Kerry announced Thursday that he intends to present Congress with The Downing Street Memo, reported by the London Times 1 May 2005. As reported by NewsMax, the memo purports to include minutes from a July 2002 meeting with Tony Blair, in which Blair ostensibly said that President Bush's Administration "fixed" intelligence on Iraq in order to justify the Iraqi war. In an interview with the Standard Times, Kerry said: "It's amazing to me the way it escaped major media discussion. It's not being missed on the Internet, I can tell you that."

The Boston Globe published an article by Ralph Nader, Tuesday, in which Nader also called for President Bush's impeachment. The story is being carried on Michael Moore's website and the Democratic Underground. Failed presidential candidate Kerry advised that he will begin the presentation of his case for President Bush's impeachment to Congress, on Monday.

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6057

Posted by: Pat C on June 3, 2005 08:00 PM

Old Tony will be in town that day to talk to *ush about Africa and global warming. Heh!!!

Posted by: Pat C on June 3, 2005 08:05 PM

Oops!

http://tinyurl.com/dlaby

Posted by: Pat C on June 3, 2005 08:34 PM

The Downing Street Memo is out!!! Yeah baby, it's time to roack and roll and maker Bush pay fo rthis illegal war and all of his stupidities as the President of the United States!!!


Ladies and Gentlemen, let's get Furious!!!

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 3, 2005 08:40 PM

Pat C, I was able to reach a person at Kraft. They thanked me and took my personal info (except I said no to phone # and said I did not want to receive offers, etc). They clarified that they were but one of the sponsors of the 2006 Gay Games in Chicago.

All I can say about Kerry & the Downing Street memo is Yay Kerry! I think he is careful and picks his battles and keeps something of a low profile at times but he sure has courage.

Posted by: Sharon on June 3, 2005 08:58 PM

I've been quietly lurking as I am still recovering from Guido's visit last month. Rawstory picked up the impeachment issue but I wonder.....Astrologically, will any push for impeachment gain steam or just wither away?

Posted by: Teresa on June 3, 2005 09:10 PM

Good for you Sharon! I'm hearing that others have gotten through also. They are asking for names and Cities. I think it's really worth doing. You can be sure the neocons are calling.

I'm not sure what Kerry is doing. Read the Opps post.

Posted by: Pat C on June 3, 2005 09:13 PM

I asked Nancy Waterman from Starlight News astrology to look at the astrological prospects for the Impeachment of President Bush due ot the Downing Street Memeo.


I'll post what she says when I get a reponse from her.

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 3, 2005 09:26 PM

wv, absolutely the funniest thing I've read all year! thanks for posting it.
PatQOP, I'm so sorry about your heartache regarding your son. I wish you(and him) much strength, and love.
I hope you guys aren't being taken in by the Kerry announcement- c'mon dear ones, look outside the box.

Posted by: Peg on June 3, 2005 09:46 PM

Peg, that's why I'm asking for astrological confirmation. Wouldn't do to get our hopes up.

Posted by: Teresa on June 3, 2005 09:49 PM

* [rez regime]'s offenses impeachable

Let's consider an item from the news of about 2 wks ago:

A British citizen leaked a memo to London's Sunday Times. The memo was of the written acct of a mtg that a man named Richard Dearlove had with [rez regime] in July 2002. Dearlove was the head of the England's MI-6, the equivalent of the CIA. On 6/23/02, Dearlove briefed Tony Blair about the mtg. He said that [bushaLiar] was determined to attack Iraq. He said that [bushaLiar] knew that US intelligence had no evidence of WMD in Iraq & no links to foreign terrorists, that there was no imminent danger to the US from Iraq. But, since [bushaLiar] was determined to go to [physical & sexual assault], "Intelligence & facts are being fixed around the policy." "Fixed" means faked, manufactured, conjured, hyped - the product of whole cloth fabrication. ...

... We are living in an age of no accountability. It's also an age upon which may hang the survival of human life on this earth. One shld not bet one's future on people who abjure responsibility. The 1st courageous step is to come to terms with what we know is true: America's [rez] lied to America's people to create an unnecessary war. I ask Sens Snowe & Collins, Reps Allen & Michaud to take that step. Begin impeachment proceedings. It's really no more or less than their duty. It's also the 1st step toward restoring America's integrity. http://www.bangornews.com/news/templates/?a=114420

Posted by: JoannaOregon on June 3, 2005 09:50 PM

* We know that many modern cons no longer support the Constitution in backing the principles the country was founded on such as individual liberty, separation of powers, an independent judiciary, & separation of church & state. We also learned during the Clinton yrs that they have a strange sense of what constitutes an impeachable offense, such as a private consensual sexual relationship. What is a surprise is to learn is that the cons apparently don't even recall the Constitutionally mandated procedure for impeachment.

The Conservative Voice has twisted one of Kerry's statements reported yesterday, claiming that "Kerry advised that he will begin the presentation of his case for [bushaCodpiece]’s impeachment to Congress, on Mon."

Actually Kerry said nothing of impeachment when he said, "When I go back on Mon, I am going to raise the issue," when speaking of the Downing St Memos. A basic understanding of the Constitution, not to mention a respect for honest journalism, shld make the author realize the absurdity of this false statement. Impeachment must begin in the Hse of Reps, & therefore Sen Kerry wld not be involved in a move towards impeachment.

However, as a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, it wld be reasonable for Kerry to investigate such evidence that [bushadruggieholic] lied to Congress, awa the American people, while preparing to go to war against Iraq based upon distorting intelligence reports. ... con't http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/?view=plink&id=1000

Posted by: JoannaOregon on June 3, 2005 09:54 PM

I still think Kerry has courage, Peg, for bringing the matter up for investigation. He may not be the most courageous one out there in terms of Boxer, Conyers, etc., but like Dean and Reid, he knows that to a certain extent, if he is to maintain credibility, he must be careful and appeal to the centrists and play by the rules. I may be projecting my own ideas, but I think all government moves forward by consensus UNTIL they have the strength to make their move, and even then, they must not be unilateral.

Posted by: Sharon on June 3, 2005 10:00 PM

JoannaOregon, you beat me to it! I was just getting ready to post the Bangor Daily News opinion.

Why is it that it's the smaller city papers that are unafraid to criticize the admin?

Posted by: Teresa on June 3, 2005 10:01 PM

Unfortunately, Nancy Waterman from Starlight News says that this will not get to the level of impeaching President Bush will hurt him.

But contrary forecasts that we have seen have said that impeachment is possible. That means Bush will get away with these awful crimes.

What is going on here?

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 3, 2005 10:13 PM

I think because that small town papers are less likely to be owned by... oh, say, drunkie queen, rupert murdock, Theresa. ;O)

Posted by: JoannaOregon on June 3, 2005 10:38 PM

Judge Orders Army Release Abu Ghraib Pictures
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/060305A.shtml

I truly do think that many judges are fighting back and protecting our constitution, particularly with the prospect of more right wing judges crowding the benches in the future.

Posted by: Sharon on June 3, 2005 10:40 PM

Thank you all again for your support....and Peg I hope you are doing well!

Theresa, are you near Bangor? That's my local daily paper, yes they are pretty liberal....link........the locals are pretty much cued in to the political situation at this point!

Pat C I got a live person at Kraft.who was very pleased to hear from me, only took my name didn't ask for address or phone.

This was posted on my IP news today.
American Dream Is 'Flat on Its Back,' Moyers Charges
<a href=" (?)

http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewPolitics.asp?Page=\Politics\archive\200506\POL20050603a.html
( hope that works)
read the right hand articles too.
PQ

Posted by: Pat QOP on June 3, 2005 10:41 PM

Pat QOP, this really resonates with me:

"You may be on the losing side of the moment, but you will be on the winning side of history," Moyers said before receiving a standing ovation from the audience.

Wonderful words.

Sharon, please look at the whole Kryon website, he said some things at the United Nations that blew me away! That one is here, but there is much more:

http://www.kryon.com/k_chanelUN2005.html

Posted by: Laurie on June 3, 2005 11:02 PM

Here is somehting that I found on another politicl astrology website, which should be linked from Astroworld.

It's called "Stars Over America". The website can be found here:
http://www.starsoveramerica.com/longtermtrends.htm


Here is the article that was posted on June 1st, by astrologist Edith Thayer on Bush and the Middle East:

June 1, 2005
BUSH AND THE MIDDLE EAST

On April 25, 1920, in San Remo, Italy, the League of Nations signed a treaty (view chart) that defined the modern borders in the Middle East which have triggered increasing tension and violence in that area ever since.

The chart for this treaty is considered to represent the Middle East as a whole (see Nick Campion’s Book of World Horoscopes) because it defined the borders of Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Palestine. Thereafter, Jewish immigration into Palestine led to the independence of Israel (view chart) which has led to the on-going Jewish-Arab conflict.

George Bush’s chart (view chart) connects in a very personal way to the San Remo chart, which may be one indicator of why he is so intent on bringing about sweeping changes in the Middle East. These two charts will be strongly activated later in 2005 and in 2006 when the planet SATURN enters the sign of LEO in mid-July. SATURN’S “Reality Principle” always brings difficult issues of authority and boundaries to the fore.

George Bush is pressing for greater democracy and freedoms in that area of the world. However, his lowered popularity at home and hatred abroad will entail horrendous challenges to peace in the Middle East.

Three of the most intensely critical periods when SATURN pressures Bush and the Middle East are late summer 2005, January 2006 and June 2006. Although there are many other astrological considerations, the above dates are when important commitments will need to be made.*

Astrological Notes:

* During those three time periods, SATURN connects Bush’s ASCENDANT to the JUPITER-NEPTUNE conjunction of the San Remo treaty at 7 and 8 degrees.

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 3, 2005 11:23 PM

PQ: Thanks for the link to the Moyers' piece. I did also read a little of the article about the former Shah of Iran's son calling for a boycott of elections in Iran. He may have a point, but what a lovely irony!! As if the Shah were not put in place and propped up by the good ole USA! haha, funny.

On NPR this afternoon, I caught the tail end of a piece regarding a case currently before the California Supreme Court. It's apparently a case pertaining to the split up of a lesbian couple and one trying to get child support from the other.

The woman refusing to pay child support for the other's bio-kid (BK) did list the BK as a beneficiary on her life ins policy. I would think that not relevant -- I did the same with my nephew when I was a young adult. He certainly wasn't my kid as a result! She also claimed the BK as a dependent on one or more tax returns. Which makes the situation a little cloudy, but still may not legally define the BK as her child. The couple were not registered as domestic partners. They apparently lived together for some time and -- just like a friend of mine and her kid who shared a place with another woman and HER kid because both were too poor for their own places -- cared for all the kids. The legal question as pertains to child support is: is the BK the other woman's legal child?

I think this is a really interesting case that will -- one way or another -- impact the whole discussion regarding gay marriage (not to mention adoption by gays/lesbians law). How hypocritical would it be to define two people as a child's parents while disallowing them to legally be seen and treated as a couple (an economic entity) or to adopt the child? Would they then require, say, a man who lives with a woman and her child for a time to pay her child support when they split up? (Though I do know of a case in which a guy was required to pay child support for a kid who was not his own, but whom he'd participated in raising since the kid was very young.)

Truly, the domestic relations laws in this country need to be overhauled or clarified.

Posted by: Lori on June 3, 2005 11:39 PM


The other shoe drops....

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/printer_060305Y.shtml

Posted by: wv on June 3, 2005 11:46 PM

thanks Pat, I am doing very well. Just a note- my blood pressure was 230/124; I WAS ready to drop at any time, and didn't care. Changing my thoughts & behaviors was long overdue, but I'm doing it & feeling much better.

Sharon, my own thoughts are that Kerry is just doing what puppets do- trying to stir the pot because he's been given orders. I look forward to Nancy's or anybody's analysis also.

Posted by: Peg on June 4, 2005 12:08 AM

Here is what Nancy said in response to my e-mail query about how badly Bush will be affected? It's a pretty optimistic view, and a good analysis so far.


"I don't know the answer to that. I know this will be a very difficult month
with him having to face some harsh reality, at least through mid-month.
Things may let up some in July and especially August and we could see some
very aggressive stunts in August (naming some major winners to the bench for
instance, or worse yet, appointing them in a recess appointment). Then
September begins a very difficult 18 months as Saturn crosses and recrosses
his various Leo positions.

One thing to watch for: what happens while Saturn is on Inaugural IC through
June 10. This may indicate some of the events that will hit when solar arc
Saturn is conjunct Inaugural IC 2/06 to 2/07. And of course there is the
Chiron conjunction to the Inaugural MC. Will threats of impeachment or the
ghost of Downing Street be haunting him as the ongoing wound of Chiron? Stay
tuned."

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 4, 2005 12:30 AM

Peg,

For almost a decade I worked with PWA's (Patients with AIDS)... some very positive, all very young... but almost without exception they fought their body's dis-ease with all their strength, and met death head-on. My mother fought cancer for years, but even with her Gemini Rising she was not able to always be positive. Some days she would lament "I am no good to anyone, I have nothing to offer, I need others to do for me, I am a burden." On those days, I would give her a gentle kick in the butt... I would remind her that it was she who was teaching my grandson words to songs he would probably never hear again... it was she whom my daughter sought out to share secrets, things she never discussed with me because she and her Nana were soulmates... it was she who would regale about her childhood, inspiring her greatgrands to outdo her notorious feats. And goodness knows, nobody, but nobody could make the melt-in-your-mouth biscuits that she could. She would smile and admit begrudingly that she still had 'something' to contribute.

My heart is full that you have changed your attitude... and any time you want a gentle kick, I will be glad to provide it... to remind you that you are needed on this planet... your family needs you, we at astroworld need you. Heck, at the rate the fascists are going, the planet definitely needs you.

During the struggle for the changes that Vatican II manifested, a young priest told me how dissenchanted he was with the Church. I naively asked why didn't he leave. His response was that we can be more effective 'inside' than out. A few years ago, he did leave the Church. But I am sure he has not left the 'struggle'. As Timothy O'Leary said, if you don't like the rut you're in, get a new groove -- or something like that :)

White light to you. (((Peg)))

Posted by: Jo on June 4, 2005 12:49 AM

Jo...... thank you.

Posted by: Peg on June 4, 2005 01:04 AM

Travesio,

IMHO, I would forward that message to Air America, Daily Kos and Ed Shultz. These people need to be exposed.

"I am a real Texan....used to live there...looking forward to moving back." - doesn't he know that REAL Texans don't leave Texas but for a couple days at a time??? Look at Chimpy...and he's not even a Texan. Idiots.

Posted by: abilene on June 4, 2005 01:10 AM

http://fec.cdt.org/

The Federal Elections Commission (the “FEC”) is proposing in a “Notice of Proposed Rulemaking” (“NPRM”) to extend the regime of federal campaign finance rules to political speech on the Internet. Although the proposed rules are intended to be limited, they will have a significant harmful impact on the independent political speech of ordinary citizens online. The public has an opportunity to comment on the proposed rules before June 3, 2005.

The Center for Democracy & Technology and the Institute for Politics, Democracy and the Internet are collaborating to respond to the NPRM. Working with a broad range of stakeholders and interest groups, we have drafted a set of “principles” that we believe should guide the FEC and Congress in crafting rules that affect on online political speech.

Overview of the Notice of Proposed Rulemaking
What Problems are Raised for Individuals’ Online Political Speech
What is at Stake
Read the principles below, and if you agree with them, sign on to the principles.

Posted by: Pat C on June 4, 2005 01:16 AM

Hey guys,

Thanks Abiline for the advice. I'm taking it. I took a copy of it to my state rep, my U.S. senator(they were very concerned), and to our local liberal rag, the Austin Chronicle. Tomorrow, I'm taking it to the police and then I'm going to hit the liberal bloggers.

I feel I have a duty to get this out into the community.

THanks again

Posted by: Travieso on June 4, 2005 01:17 AM


Peg

Eat lots of oatmeal and blueberries -
you'll feel better, lose weight, and
chloresteral. No suger, just honey and
milk.

Posted by: wv on June 4, 2005 01:36 AM

Good for you Travesio! Please keep us posted on how this plays out.

Posted by: abilene on June 4, 2005 02:35 AM

Remember, next week is "DSM Week"!


DSM = Downing Street Memo.


Get ready to rock and roll, and was Bush and his Administration squirm!!!

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 4, 2005 02:49 AM

Um....Sally? Nancy? We are 242 posts, we should get a new article up as soon as possible.


Besides, we're dying to see what you two are forecasting next for "Emperor Bush". =D

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 4, 2005 02:51 AM

Pat QOP I just tuned in. White light to you for as long as you need it. Much, much empathy.

On another subject, I don't care if Kerry is a mouth piece for higher ups. I don't care who delivers the "annoying" news to the US congress and to the Senate and to the papers and to the bloggers that this President lied to us all. With every stone there is a ripple. Conyers, Kerry...whoever. I hope this creates a tsunami of consiousness. This and a few more factoids of horror unleashed in the name of truth...critical mass in consiousness can bring this monster down. As a pack of wolves can bring down a wild buffalo (sp?), we can bring this miasmic hydra down.

I hate being lied to.

Posted by: Beasley on June 4, 2005 03:27 AM

Pat QOP, sending all the strength and healing vibes your way that I can.

Peg, So glad you posted to let us know how you are. Keep on taking best care of yourself. I think of you often.

Travieso, you go!! Your actions are right on!

Jo, whatever would we do without you?

Oh, and while I'm on a personal roll here, Cap'n Sally, thank you yet one more time for all you do for us.

Posted by: shylurker on June 4, 2005 03:50 AM

Tseka,
Yoiur e-mail address was lost along with the e-mail..............

I'm up to speed now! I finally got a chance to click on the links.
JoannaOregon, I'm curious. Where did you find that article from the Bangor Daily News?
My IP Topix News homepage frequently has articles from the Oregonian.com ( out of Portland Oregon)
I know Robert Shetterly who wrote that opinion piece! Here is a sample of his art work
http://artactivism.org/shetterly_grand.htm

Funny today after my revelation about Germany........I had a aman in the library who needed help ( e-mailing) with planning a trip to Siberia. ( to visit his Grandaughter's other Grandfather or "fellow Grandfather" as he called it. The Grandaughter lives in Germany, he lives in France, ( but is Canadian by birth) and his Father lives here. His e-mail was in French......it was like taking a mini vacation to Europe.....refreshing!
((((((((((((( to all )))))))))))))))
PQ

Posted by: Pat QOP on June 4, 2005 05:14 AM

If this was not so deranged, sick, and utterly disgusting and pathetic, it would be downright hysterically funny.

Just when you thought it couldn't get more bizarre, it turns out that a new Pentagon report confirms that there WAS abuse of the Koran. In one reported incident, a U.S. prison guard at Guantanamo actually urinated on the Muslim holy book, but....

The Pentagon's statement of explanation (I am not making this up!) went something like "the guard left his post and urinated into an air vent. Drops of the urine then ACCIDENTLY blew back into the detainee's cell and unfortunately landed on his copy of the Koran". This is one of the very few times as a normally long winded and loquacious Leo that I have been rendered (no pun intended) utterly speechless.

Posted by: Grizzly on June 4, 2005 07:00 AM

Oh my gosh. There really are no words for this.

Now that each has experienced humiation, may all of them find humility and forgiveness.

Posted by: Pat C on June 4, 2005 12:43 PM

That sentence should have read, "Now that each has experienced humiliation, may all of them find humility and forgiveness.".

Posted by: Pat C on June 4, 2005 12:45 PM

* Pulling one’s head out of the sand

Until recently, Colombia’s most famous artist, Fernando Botero (b. 1932), was known for his whimsical depiction of rotund people in an imaginary small-town world based on his childhood memories. The shopkeepers & aristocrats, peasants & military grandees, nuns & nudes all share an exaggerated pudginess that gives them a pleasant comic quality.

This distinctive style was odd enough to seem transgressive, esp when Botero rendered his version of DaVinci’s Mona Lisa or a crucifixion of Jesus, yet the cheeriness of the street scenes, still lives & odalisques made them broadly popular & widely reproduced.

But instead of retiring after 40 yrs of artistic success, Botero made a radical break from the subjects that had made his work so popular. His latest series of 50 drawings & paintings depicting the torture of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib, of all his large body of work, will probably have the most impact. Botero’s choice stands out all more starkly because it has hitherto been rare for any of today’s est'd artists to approach the subject. (Another artist to do so, Steve Mumford, will be discussed in the 2nd part of this article.) ... con't http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/jun2005/bote-j04.shtml

I'm not sure where I picked up the Bangor piece, Pat Q... it may easily have been buzzflash.

Am very glad to see an artist depict the USian torture which will stick in the craws of mind/soul of peoples so that they don't forget. Another affect of neptune in aquarius/uranus in pisces imo. It's interesting to think how, in juxtaposition, the USian torturers are in fact pudgy pink soft males such as karl rove.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on June 4, 2005 01:10 PM

This is the 250th post of this thread.......Nancy or Sally, please get another article up as soon as possible.


DU has been heating up about the "Downing Street memo", which will be presented next week by John Kerry and John Conyers next week.


I hope this takes into effect to get an impeachment movement goign against President Bush, but we can only guess what will happen.


Nanacy or Sally, please get the next new article up as soon as you can, the natives here in Astroworld, myself included, are getting quite restless!!!

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 4, 2005 02:25 PM


Here is a wonderful story about a rabbi and the
Dalai Lama...worth a read.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=583841

Posted by: wv on June 4, 2005 02:32 PM


June 4, 2005
Is Persuasion Dead?
By MATT MILLER
Speaking just between us - between one who writes columns and those who read them - I've had this nagging question about the whole enterprise we're engaged in.

Is persuasion dead? And if so, does it matter?

The significance of this query goes beyond the feelings of futility I'll suffer if it turns out I've wasted my life on work that is useless. This is bigger than one writer's insecurities. Is it possible in America today to convince anyone of anything he doesn't already believe? If so, are there enough places where this mingling of minds occurs to sustain a democracy?

The signs are not good. Ninety percent of political conversation amounts to dueling "talking points." Best-selling books reinforce what folks thought when they bought them. Talk radio and opinion journals preach to the converted. Let's face it: the purpose of most political speech is not to persuade but to win, be it power, ratings, celebrity or even cash.

By contrast, marshaling a case to persuade those who start from a different position is a lost art. Honoring what's right in the other side's argument seems a superfluous thing that can only cause trouble, like an appendix. Politicos huddle with like-minded souls in opinion cocoons that seem impervious to facts.

The politicians and the press didn't kill off persuasion intentionally, of course; it's more manslaughter than murder. Persuasion just isn't relevant to delivering elections or eyeballs. Pols have figured out that to get votes you don't need to change minds. Even when they want to, modern media make it hard. They give officials seconds to make their point, ignore their ideas in favor of their poll numbers or showcase a clash of caricatures, believing this is the only way to make "debate" entertaining. Elections may turn on emotions like hope and fear anyway, but with persuasion's passing, there's no alternative.

There's only one problem: governing successfully requires influencing how people actually think. Yet when the habits of persuasion have been buried, the possibilities of leadership are interred as well. That's why Bill Clinton's case on health care could be bested by savage "Harry and Louise" ads. And why, even if George Bush's Social Security plan had been well conceived, the odds were always stacked against ambitious reform.

I'm not the only one who amid this mess wonders if he shouldn't be looking at another line of work. A top conservative thinker called recently, dejected at the sight of Ann Coulter on the cover of Time. What's the point of being substantive, he cried, when all the attention goes to the shrill?

But the embarrassing truth is that we earnest chin-strokers often get it wrong anyway. Take me. I hadn't thought much about Iraq before I read Ken Pollack's book, "The Threatening Storm: The Case for Invading Iraq," a platonic ideal of careful analysis meant to persuade. It worked. I was persuaded! So what should we conclude when a talent like Pollack can convince us - and then the whole thing turns out to be based on a premise (W.M.D.) that is false?

If serious efforts to get it right can lead to tragic errors, why care about a culture of persuasion at all? On one level, everyone needs a good rationalization at the core of his professional life; mine holds that the struggle to think things through, even when we fail, is redeeming.

But beyond this, the gap between the cartoon of public life that the press and political establishment often serve up and the pragmatic open-mindedness of most Americans explains why so many people tune out - and how we might get them to tune back in. Alienation is the only intelligent response to a political culture that insults our intelligence.

The resurrection of persuasion will not be easy. Politicians who've learned to survive in an unforgiving environment may not feel safe with a less scripted style. Mass media outlets where heat has always sold more than light may not believe that creatively engaging on substance can expand their audience. But if you believe that meeting our collective challenges requires greater collective understanding, we've got to persuade these folks to try.

I'm guessing Ann Coulter isn't sweating this stuff. God willing, there's something else keeping her up nights. In the meantime, like Sisyphus, those who seek a better public life have to keep rolling the rock uphill. If you've read this far, maybe you're up for the climb, too.

E-mail: mattmiller@nytimes.com; Matt Miller writes a monthly column for Fortune. Maureen Dowd is on book leave.


Posted by: wv on June 4, 2005 02:43 PM


The story about Laura in Egpt is a hoot...it's
at tje end...

http://www.counterpunch.com/

Posted by: wv on June 4, 2005 02:54 PM


The noose is tightening....

Voice of the White House June 2, 2005
TBR News.org – June 2, 2005

“Just for the sake of accuracy, I am going to fill you in on how Gannon was discovered. It is absolutely not the self-lauding material now puffing up the internet but life is tough.

It seems that a junior grade member of the Secret Service’s President Detail noticed, by checking the logs, that Gannon was loose in the White House at various times, not during any press conferences. As there is strict protocol for such matters, he made notes and submitted them to a higher official in the same detail. This person made enquiries further up the ladder and eventually, it got to Andrew Card, the President’s Chief of Staff. Card, apparently, then asked questions of others with the result that the Detail people were informed that Gannon was, in essence, an FOG (“Friend of George) and his presence at odd hours inside the White House was “OK.”

At the same time, the brass wanted to know who initiated this request but the SS section head said that he had received an anonymous request and he was merely acting on it. I must tell you that very few people, myself not included, had any knowledge of this funny business at the time. The Monkey Palace is huge and full of people, night and day and I personally cannot remember ever seeing Gannon at any time and neither can most of the daytime people I know.

At any rate, simultaneously with this inquiry, it seems that a gay Beltway Democrat, who had seen the “Bulldog” male prostitution site, informed a friend on the District police force who, in turn, asked the White House people. This meant that the story was now out of official control and it was decided to, at the least, “retire” Gannon until the story blew over or did not get legs. This clearly explains that why, on his website, Gannon claims he is only “on leave” from the White House Press Room.

However, the gay Democrat, or perhaps a local cop, began to send copies of the “Bulldog” nude websites around to members of the mainline media (which predictably did not do a damned thing about it nor make any inquiries at the White House) as well as to a large number of internet people. A subsequent investigation by the Secret Service disclosed that a District official computer was used to spread the fertilizer all over the country but no one can be pinpointed as the sender.

Following this effort, Gannon was informed that he had to go, gracefully, at least for a time, and then the so-called “blogs” took credit for this. A very gay, but very much closeted, blogger knew all about Gannon from having often visited his several male porn sites, squealed with delight at the chance to beat his old drum, and we then saw a great outpouring of accusatory emails from every side.
While the “bloggers” have been taking full credit for “outing” Gannon, in truth they just ran with something someone else sent them and have been crowing about it ever since. Very much like Woodward getting some inside gossip from Felt and then heavily embroidering it with his own self-serving (and very profitable) creations out of whole cloth.

This has really become a dead issue. Gannon is gone, the mainline media is keeping their mouths tightly shut about this, as usual, and you should know that my own digging into Gannon/Guckert’s background, which you published at TBR, was the most complete yet done.

The silly “bloggers” are now running around like a hyper Pomeranian, yapping frantically over a very long-dead cat on the back porch that is now rotting in the sun. Whoever got this out initially, and it was not the bloggers , did terrible damage to the basic fabric of the self-righteous Bush people but now it is no longer of any interest, unless and until the outraged Gannon decides to publish his “confidential journals.” His funeral would not be very well attended. …… And now that the mythic ‘Deep Throat’ turns out to be a jealous and spiteful senior FBI executive, we can well imagine that within weeks, the busy bloggers will put forth as many manic theories about who ‘Deep Throat’ really was as they have hairs on their head. I can just see the “Bloggerblitz” headlines screaming that ‘Kidnapped Paperboy Johnny Gosch was actually Deep Throat!’ Or that the sinister Illuminati, whom we all know run the USPS can claim the honors. This ought to keep them busy until the next opportunity comes along to let everyone in the entire world know what they and their cousin Edna really think about the secret plots of the Bilderburgers and the Hidden Hand.

The solution to all this proliferating and obnoxious idiocy? Take a Midol, honey, and spend more time trying to have a dialog with Jesus than bothering the rest of the sane population.

Many readers think I am homophobic because I use strong language when talking about the lying perverts in the Bush Administration. This is not true – what offends me is not someone's sexual orientation, but their lying about it and then attacking innocent people who never did anything to anyone, just to cover their own sorry asses. I call those sorts of people fudgepackers because of the evil filth of their minds, not because of their activities. Bush is one small step from being the Antichrist, but shovels the shit like a pro, assuming a mantle of holiness and righteousness that has about half the American public fooled.

I have been told that correspondents to TBR News have expressed surprise at my "inside" knowledge of the gay scene in DC. One of the underlings here in the Fag Palace who happens to be gay is a confidant of mine. He knows I respect him, and we discuss the goings-on upstairs - he is my source for commentary and background on the gay community in DC, including the escapades of Fat Karl at the Mid-Atlantic Leather weekend, the secret love-life of Kenny Mehlman, Scotty M the loyal Irish Terrier, Bulldog Gannon, and of course, POTUS him/herself. I respect the accuracy of his Gaydar - he has a sixth sense about these things, and can spot another one like himself a mile away.

Here's the scoop: He tells me that The Hammer, Tom DeLay, sets all his alarm bells a-jingling. He told me, in his own words: "Just look at the way she walks, the angle she holds her head when she speaks, her hand gestures, the movement of her eyes - God, what a flaming queen!"

He went on, "Sister Tom DeLilah is a Friend of Dorothy, no doubt about it. She may not even know about it herself, but I swear, what his dick craves more than anything is a good shag with a real man.......

"You know, the dick has a brain of its own, you can pretend to yourself and others all you like, but you put a queer in the room with a hot man and his dick will do its own thing, no matter how many prayers he prays to Jesus. That's probably why Tom DeLay hates us faggots so much - we cause his dick to betray his righteous Christian bullshit, and he despises himself for it. He probably wears Spandex underpants to keep it down."

Well, well! There is an old African saying to do with the fact that many Africans have ample behinds: "It takes a big Hammer to drive a long Nail." Let us add to that one an even more apt Japanese saying: "The Nail that sticks up gets Hammered down," and we may have an inkling of a possibility which we never suspected: Tom DeLay, the man's man, is really Tammy DeLilah, the Closet Queen. Remember, folks, you heard it here first. When this all breaks in the MSM, on the day the business interests decide to dispose of Bush and replace him with someone else, please join with me in singing a hymn for Miss DeLilah: "Hey Sinner Man, where you gonna run to, all on that day?

And what other things can we hang on the Sinner come to Judgment? He has: Paid family members more than $500,000 out of campaign contributions, diverted funds from a children's charity for lavish celebrations at the Republican convention, used corporate money given to his PAC to finance Texas campaigns in violation of state law, stacked the House Ethics Committee with representatives who have contributed to his legal defense fund, accepted trips from the lobbyist for a foreign government in violation of House rules, and accepted trips from corporations and later helped kill legislation they opposed. All of this and I’ll bet he looks gorgeous in mesh stockings and a real-human-hair wig, just like the one our Beloved President’s beloved Senegambian cross-dresser loves to wear!
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1632.htm

See our Inside the White House archive:
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/category.asp?id=41

Last updated 04/06/2005

Posted by: wvl on June 4, 2005 04:23 PM


Euro facing meltdown as Italy considers backing out

EUROPE'S political crisis spread to the euro yesterday after Italy publicly discussed abandoning the single currency and reverting to the lira.

Posted by: judi gemini on June 4, 2005 04:45 PM

the Euro article is from THe Scotsman newsletter....the URL didn't print....although I saw it on the preview post...

Posted by: judi gemini on June 4, 2005 04:48 PM

Pat QP, tseka@tseka.com will reach me. i hold you and E in my thoughts.

Posted by: tseka on June 4, 2005 04:52 PM

I'm paying wv back for the previous laugh by posting Bush's response to the Koran urination:

REPORTER: Mr. President, what is your policy on urination on the Koran?

PRESIDENT BUSH: Ahh, um against it. I don't like it. Merican's don't go around urinatin' on Koran's. Um against taking a leak on the Bible too. Its a holy book. Like My Pet Goat. All books are good. My bride was a libriarian so I know ya just don't go around pissing on books. I've never seen Laura pee on a book. Um "born again".

I'd like to take a piss on Newsweek, huh, huh, huh. They started it all.

I think they need private accounts down there at Guantanamo. For the young people. Those terrorists are gonna be down there for 30 years or more so they could be saving and making their own investment decisions and having private account. They're in the ownership society now. But I'm against unrination on the Koran. It stinks. Huh, huh, huh.

Um gonna fly in with a nice turkey dinner on Thanksgiving for the terrorists at Guantanamo just to show them America is for freedom and freedom is on the march, even at Guantanamo. Wur gonna give em private accounts. It's for the future. For the young ones. It's Merica. Next question.

Posted by: Peg on June 4, 2005 05:35 PM

Been awhile since I posted. You guys are all so insightful and entertaining that reading is usually enough for me. Reading, and sending you all love and light.

wv - that article from TBR's "voice of the white house" is full of bull manure. I was lurking online when kos, then DU "cracked" the Jeff Gannon "story". Started with a question about him as a WH plant - and led to web searches, postings of findings and an honest-to-god collaborative effort that led, within a fairly short time, to Gannon's bulldog websites, his "outing" as a fake reporter, and so on.

As to the logs showing he had free run in WH, that came much later, as far as getting documentation for it goes. So even if what "the voice of the WH" says is true as to Gannon's status, he has the timeline and the basis for the claims of bloggers who rightly take credit for "breaking" the story wrong - at least by my analysis.

Just needed to share that.

Namaste.........

Posted by: km on June 4, 2005 06:10 PM

Fears over CIA 'university spies'
A CIA scheme to sponsor trainee spies secretly through US university courses has caused anger among UK academics.

The Pat Roberts Intelligence Scholars Program pays anthropology students, whose names are not disclosed, up to $50,000 (£27,500) a year.

They are expected to use the techniques of "fieldwork" to gather political and cultural details on other countries.

Britain's Association of Social Anthropologists called the scholarships ethically "dangerous" and divisive.

'Detailed knowledge'

The ASA's president, John Gledhill, told the BBC News website the scholarships could foster suspicion within universities worldwide and cause problems in the field.

He said: "Anthropologists go all over the world for long periods and gain detailed knowledge of places, such as Iraq or South America.

"This is information which would be useful in security circles, which is not what anthropology is for."

Social anthropology: the study of (esp. primitive) peoples comparatively through their kinship systems, associations, institutions, culture, etc, and the forces that affect their social systems
Oxford English Dictionary

Undergraduates taking part in the scholarship programme must not reveal their funding source and are expected to attend military intelligence summer camps.

Dr Gledhill said: "If we are writing about sensitive areas, we anonymise place names and, often, people. If research enables people to identify human beings, there is no guarantee that nothing harmful is going to happen.

"There is also the suspicion factor. If people on the ground in foreign countries get the idea that some anthropologists work for the CIA, then they are not going to feel like being very friendly."

The $4m (£2.2m) Pat Roberts scholarships were launched in the wake of the 11 September 2001 attacks to improve US intelligence gathering.

The CIA's website says that a "number of scholarships are awarded to highly qualified students specialising in critical subject areas".

Scholars are expected to go on to work for its directorate of intelligence.

The website also says: "While the CIA does not make foreign policy, our analysis of intelligence on overseas developments feeds into the informed decisions by policymakers and other senior decision makers in the national security and defence arenas."

Dr Gledhill said the ASA would review its code of ethics to cover the initiative.

However, Felix Moos, an anthropology professor at the University of Kansas, defended the scholarships.

He wrote in the journal Anthropology Today: "The United States is at war. Thus, to put it simply, the existing divide between academe and the intelligence community has become a dangerous and very real detriment to our national security at home and abroad."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4603271.stm

Posted by: Pat C on June 4, 2005 06:36 PM

An excerpt from Eric Francis' weekly e-mail (thought it might interest some of you):

At this point, I propose a moment of reflecting on the future. We are entering an Aries Point moment the like of which we have not seen since 2001.

First, as I write, Venus is newly arrived in the first degree of Cancer. Then, Mars itself crosses the Aries Point on June 11.

Then, overnight June 21 to 22, there is a Full Moon with the Sun in its exact solstice position -- the first degree of Cancer, with the Moon in the first degree of Capricorn. This is a direct reference to the monstrous total eclipse of the Sun on the Cancer solstice in 2001 that ushered in the "post 9-11 world." And it's a more intense repeat of the astrology of the tsunami, which was a Full Moon across the same axis of the zodiac -- but this time it's a lot more focused.

The Capricorn Full Moon is followed about one month later by Saturn entering Leo, and immediately opposing Chiron in Aquarius. This is the fourth or so repeat of this aspect and the first one across Leo-Aquarius. Think of the symbolism; the regal one (Saturn in Leo) meets the people (Chiron in Aquarius). This series of oppositions itself represents a critical historical process where Saturn, the power structure, is being reshaped by Chiron, a healing influence and populist force for progress.

Cousins, it's gonna be an interesting summer, and it starts sooner than you think. My take is that June 22 represents events that are a peak moment in the 21st Century So Far.

Posted by: Laurie on June 4, 2005 10:32 PM

Can you please clarify, Laurie?

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 4, 2005 10:49 PM

Clarify?

Eric Francis runs Planet Waves and I pay each year to get his e-mails. He is remarkable.

This is his website:

http://www.ericfrancis.com/home.html

If you would like the whole e-mail, let me know and I will e-mail you. He does not mind at all.

Posted by: Laurie on June 4, 2005 11:05 PM

No, Laurie, I mean can you clarify on his prediction of this summer, especially for Bush and Company?


Sorry for the confucison there. =(

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 4, 2005 11:12 PM

Dear dear Neerav, your guess is as good as mine. :--)

My best guess is all hell is going to break loose.

Posted by: Laurie on June 4, 2005 11:16 PM

I fall hell breaks loose, Laurie, I'm coming to your house with popcorn, beer, soda, party hats, noise makers, along with the rest of the awesome gang here at Astroworld, including Nancy, Sally, bhakti, wv, Johnathan, NEOBuckeye, Pat C, Pat QOP, shulurker, grisly, Judi Gemeni, Jo, jm; our new member, dilip, tseka, and Peg.

This will be our "Impeach Bush" Party!!!

And yes, beers, good food, and plenty of dance music will be in the house!!! =D

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 5, 2005 01:42 AM

http://markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/2005/06/american-icons-are-at-risk-says.html

American icons are at risk, says whistleblower Teresa Chambers.

Posted by: Pat C on June 5, 2005 01:42 AM

Pat C you coming to the Impeachment Party, if and when all hell breaks loose, cause everyone is invited.


Better yet, we'll have the party at my place, since its big enough.


IMPEACHMENT PARTY AT NEERAV'S HOUSE!!!


These next several months will be "quite" interesting to watch for Bush mad his cronies.

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 5, 2005 01:47 AM

Neerav, a party?!?! I'll be there. :-D

Posted by: Pat C on June 5, 2005 01:47 AM

Here, have a beer on me. :)


***tosses Pat C a beer*** (wait, do we allow drinking in here? I'm such a crazy nut!!!).


Now, where did I keep that copy of the "Downing Street Memo" I had? =D

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 5, 2005 01:49 AM

Oh nevermind, I found it under my couch, as usual.

Now, when is Nancy going to put out her new forecast?

Sally, Nancy, get an article up on when Bush will start squirming, so we can get this party started!

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 5, 2005 01:52 AM

Laurie... I'd like to squeak up & state I'd like to have a copy of E Francis' email, please... might that be possible?

Posted by: JoannaOregon on June 5, 2005 01:54 AM

Could you send a copy of the E Francis' e-mail to me also. My email address is crazyneerav@yahoo.com


Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 5, 2005 01:57 AM

I can't have any beer anymore :(
But I'll bring the music!!!!!
Sir Eric the sex astrologer is quite the kinky dude, but his astrology rocks.

Posted by: Peg on June 5, 2005 02:15 AM

Great news!

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9054.htm

Conyers reaches, extends signature goal; creates tip line

By Raw Story

06/04/05 "RS" - - The office of Representative John Conyers (D-MI) believes it has surpassed its stated goal of 100,000 signatures requesting an investigation into the Downing Street Memo, minutes of a British Prime Minister's meeting on July 23, 2002.

"Right now, we are going through signatures to verify the number," said Danielle Brown, Conyers' spokesperson. Brown currently puts the number of signers at an, "estimated 110,000 and growing." With Conyers' web site receiving about 5,000 unique visitors every 4 to 5 hours, the Congressman has made his revised goal 250,000 signatures.

Conyers also hopes to attract prospective whistleblowers through a new tips line on the Democrats' House Judiciary web page. "There remain many unanswered questions regarding President Bush's lead up to the Iraq war that suggest a serious abuse of power," Conyers stated in a press release. "I am hopeful there are people who have leads and information that will bring us closer to the truth.

"Accessing my website will enable courageous civil servants and concerned citizens to contact me in order to provide relevant information in a secure and confidential manner. As we have been reminded this week by the disclosure of the identity of 'Deep Throat', a single citizen can expose widespread corruption in an Administration."

The Downing Street minutes, recorded prior to the invasion of Iraq, have become a source of controversy since their publication last month in the Sunday Times, but have received little U.S. media attention. Among other things, the minutes record that, "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

Related links: Downing Street Memo tips line. - Downing Street Memo at Timesonline

Posted by: Pat C on June 5, 2005 02:43 AM

NOW THE PARTY CAN BEGIN!!!!!


Thanks for the good news, Pat C. =D

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 5, 2005 02:44 AM

Opps, I meant Peg...my bad.

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 5, 2005 02:45 AM

Forget it, I'm drunk.

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 5, 2005 02:46 AM

Save the beer for your party Neerav.
I'm there!
Don't forget mike, Guido, Quida May , teresa, theresa, jiil g, M, Dave, Timothy, Dommeal, Pallas 180 and sowwy the others who's names I'm spacing out. Can't start the party without 'em.

Posted by: bhakti on June 5, 2005 03:01 AM

Amazing chart of judicial filibusters by the RIGHT

http://uggabugga.blogspot.com/2005/06/feinstein-in-tabular-form-apparently.html

Posted by: Pat C on June 5, 2005 03:02 AM

OMG Raj, SuzieLiberal, Janet,. Lori, Beverly (where are you?), robert arctor, Vis, Claudia, Geneva, Isabelle, Art.

My, my we are big community :)

Posted by: bhakti on June 5, 2005 03:06 AM

Relax, bhakti, I got plenty of beer and chips for them.


When John Kerry and John Conyers presents "the Memo" to Congress, get ready to rock and roll, cause that's when the party will start!!!

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 5, 2005 03:21 AM

Hey bhakti - Thanks for getting me an invite to the party.

Posted by: on June 5, 2005 03:26 AM

Now we're learning that Bolton stopped a UN investigation that could have revealed the WMD lie and possibly averted the whole wicked mess. Of course, they wanted him to go to the UN.

And now there's stuff going on at the SEC, and here's why:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1523712

Posted by: shylurker on June 5, 2005 03:34 AM

I'll bring my super duper chocolate chip cookies. They'll go ok with beer won't they?

Posted by: Teresa on June 5, 2005 03:53 AM

I think so, Teresa. =D


Any more news about the DSM yet?

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 5, 2005 03:57 AM

Teresa,

EVERYONE knows that EVERYTHING goes with Super Duper Chocolate Chip Cookies! No question about it!!!! :-)

(First party invite I've had in years. Thanks.)

Jonathan

Posted by: Jonathan on June 5, 2005 04:14 AM

Hey what am I? chopped livah? (never touch the stuff anymore) I'm going to any party celebrating Bush's impeachment or pre-impeachment investigation....especially if it's an AW party. What state will it be held in? (most likely the state of mind)

Posted by: Sharon on June 5, 2005 04:17 AM

Me too, Jonathan!

Posted by: Teresa on June 5, 2005 04:19 AM

Ouida Mae and I will supply the herbs for y'all's party.

Posted by: shylurker on June 5, 2005 04:19 AM

Well, I swan. This party thing is really shaping up! Just let me know when.

Posted by: Teresa on June 5, 2005 04:22 AM

wv, here's an interesting complement to the story you posted earlier about the Rabbi & the Dali Lama (which my husband and I enjoyed very much, thank you). Apparently, Israelis ex-soldiers are moving to India in droves...looking for peace.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1387328,0008.htm

Rabbis look for lost flock

An exodus from the Promised Land has left Jewish religious leaders worried.

Israeli youths, fresh out of their three-year mandatory army service, are leaving their strife-torn country and reaching India in droves in search of peace.

More than 10,000 men and women make their way towards places like Manali, Dharamshala and Kasauli every year where they find peace in Hinduism, nature, and, sometimes, drugs. Many marry locals, convert to Hinduism and cut off all contact with family in Israel.

-snip-

Cases of intermarriage are a major cause of concern for Jewish religious leaders. "I have heard of cases of Jews marrying locals and converting to Hinduism. This is not a healthy development for a Jewish state like Israel. Religious courts back home will not recognise such marriages," said Barcuh.

But that doesn't matter much to an Israeli fresh out of Army service. "If I marry an Indian girl our children will not be recognised as Jewish. But we can at least live a good and peaceful life here. I am thinking of staying back," he said.



Posted by: Sharon on June 5, 2005 04:22 AM

All Hell Breaks Loose: Kerry and Conyers bringing up the Downing Street Minutes and now I here Specter will hold hearings on Gitmo:

http://dailykos.com/story/2005/6/4/22251/19748

Neerav and JoannaOregon, check your e-mails!

I'm looking forward to the party!!

Posted by: Laurie on June 5, 2005 04:31 AM

I got it.......oh sniggity, this party is starting to heat up!!! We need Sally and Nancy to join in to make it even more fun.


I NEED MORE BEERS HERE AND TURN UP THE MUSIC!!!


Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 5, 2005 04:41 AM

Now Specter is getting into the act. Things are really starting to fall apart for Bush & Company. =D


Oh yeah, yup, yup!!! =)

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 5, 2005 04:42 AM

I'll bring the Paxil to the party!!!!!!!!!

Democrat or just demented?

Now a group of Republican lawmakers is hoping that they can do something about the problem. Early this summer, Senator Bill Frist, the first practicing physician elected to the Senate since 1928, plans to file a bill that would define "political paranoia" as a mental disorder, paving the way for individuals who suffer from paranoid delusions regarding voter fraud, political persecution and FBI surveillance to receive Medicare reimbursement for any psychiatric treatment they receive.

http://swiftreport.blogs.com/news/2005/05/movement_to_cla.html
PQ

Posted by: Pat QOP on June 5, 2005 04:45 AM

Hey everyone, get a drink from the fridge, its on the house!

Here is an article on MSNBC that peopple srae starting to become quire doubtful about the Iraq situation.

In addition, they are also doubting both the strategy to invade Iraq and the claims that Bush and his cronies made to dupe the American people to agree with himn in goign to war with Iraq.


~snip
"President Bush's portrayal of a wilting insurgency in Iraq at a time of escalating violence and insecurity throughout the country is reviving the debate over the administration's Iraq strategy and the accuracy of its upbeat claims."


This can add fuel to the "Downing Street Memo" fire for the possible impeachment of President Bush that will be presented on Monday.

You can find that article here:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8101430/

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 5, 2005 04:53 AM

~Friends here~ i would like to share with you a story. It relates not at all to political astrology but seems very suited to such lights as you all are....
White Raven has returned. (true white not albino) She has been flying in my local skies.

Some of you may know the story of White Buffalo. The Hopi waited long years for her return knowing that when she did man would be ready to walk the path of beauty again. White Buffalo arrived a few years ago, now there are several.

Legends from Northwest coast Indians tell that the first was Raven (creator/transformer) and she was white. She was the bridge between spirit and mundane. One story says that she was lonely and asked for a companion, creator made white buffalo for her. Soulmates- the above and below. Creator admonished the mud men (that's us) that they could have any thing on the planet but not white buffalo. Of course one of the newly formed mudmen killed White Buffalo and this is how we fell out of harmony. Raven cried the floods this is how she turned black splashed with mud. She flew up into the sun leaving our world until we are ready again to live in harmony of union.

Most curious White Raven arrived on the outskirts of a marine training base which is deploying to Iraq. She came last summer.

When i was a child i waited for the schoolbus under the outstretched wings of Thunderbird and watched the rain roll down the belly of Blackfish (Orca whale) who carries the moon on her back. The power of animal totems and the power of animals when they visit as guides is impressed in me as clearly as sunlight on the bay.

I wonder in hope at her arrival and it would please me if you find it so as well.
Thank you for your indulgence.
Warm thoughts flowing tseka

Posted by: tseka on June 5, 2005 04:56 AM

Same article as the MSNBC one mentioned above, by the Washington Post. You might have to log in (or register yourself) to see the article.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/04/AR2005060401506.html?sub=AR

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 5, 2005 04:56 AM

Hah! THIS IS THE 300TH POST!!! WHO'S YOUR DADDY?!?!?!

I do remember that story, and it is a good done. And very applicable to the situation in Iraq today.

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 5, 2005 04:58 AM

Party? Party? We can party in good time, you guys....but lets not think like the Hebrew guys dancing around the golden calf during Exodus while Moses was fetchin' the stones, either!!!

Only a Sun/Saturn conjunction person like me would be this kind of wet blanket...which is why my other name is Cassandra.

On the other hand, it is always nice to get the invites out early, Neerav!

Posted by: judi gemini on June 5, 2005 05:15 AM

And Neerav, I posted that post exactly as Tr.Pluto crossed the ascendant tonight...and with Merc right on my Sun/Saturn....!

My 'intuition' has said for months that May/June would be the turning point against the Cons....and 2006 the downfall.

Hope the invite stays open!

Posted by: judi gemini on June 5, 2005 05:19 AM

I was going to try to stay up til the magic hour of 2:00 a.m. (in my time zone)just to show Mike I can do it but the rain is making me very sleepy. I never was a late night person anyway. Good night all. Keep me posted on the party.

Posted by: Teresa on June 5, 2005 05:26 AM

tseka, I have seen pictures of the white buffalo on line....it is a beautiful story...I didn't know about white raven. where did you grow up?.

If only the world could move forward instead of holding on to the past - to the angers, to the grudges, to the fear of the 'other'..... Sometimes I really believe that half the US is descended from a different alien race. how sad....

There is an amazing wind storm blowing...it came up here in SF Bay Area just around 3 pm (as usual here) but was so powerful that it blew my shopping cart out of my hands and across the street, almost hitting a row of cars. It is still blowing...very much like the April winds, and here it is June....it is crazy, and really strong..

Posted by: judi gemini on June 5, 2005 05:27 AM

Judi Gemini i grew up on a salish reservation north of seattle and lived much of my life in the "boundary lands" the far fringe of human population...some in canada, other places. Just listening to the songs of the earth. i still do live remotely in the mohjave desert at the moment...yearning for and listening for your song of the northwind, thank you...and as to your thought that half of us are descended from another race well that is very embedded in the most ancient myths of the north- star people and mud people.

Posted by: tseka on June 5, 2005 05:45 AM

tseka....I lived in Arizona for 10 years, and have some small familiarity with the tribes and terraine....(I have a spirit guide named Goodfeather)...and my cousin Ginger is a pharmacist to the Pallyup tribe of Seattle area ....and they keep telling her that she is 'blood'....which is possible. There is a possiblity that our grandmother was an adopted baby from the St. Joseph's tribe in MI when they were incarcerated in Iowa, but no one has the money for the test...

Tseka, the other half appear to me to be souless.....and I am reading Barbara Hand Clow again....but I see the other half pictures from before that reading.

Posted by: judi gemini on June 5, 2005 06:03 AM

VCZ sent me a very long email on junk dna which is TOTALLY FASCINATING!!!! sort of blows open a huge new door into the cosmos, but it may be too long to post. If anyone wants to read it, here is an exceprt, and I can email the rest...just click on my name and ask...


A group of researchers working at the Human Genome Project will be
announcing soon that they made an astonishing scientific discovery: They
believe so-called non-coding sequences (97%) in human DNA is no less than
genetic code of an unknown extraterrestrial life form.

The non-coding sequences are common to all living organisms on Earth, from
molds to fish to humans. In human DNA, they constitute larger part of the
total genome, says Prof. Sam Chang, the group leader. Non-coding sequences,
also known as "junk DNA", were discovered years ago, and their function
remains mystery. Unlike normal genes, which carry the information that
intracellular machinery uses to synthesize proteins, enzymes and other
chemicals produced by our bodies, non-coding sequences are never used for
any purpose. They are never expressed, meaning that the information they
carry is never read, no substance is synthesized and they have no function
at all. We exist on only 3% of our DNA. The junk genes merely enjoy the
ride with hard working active genes, passed from generation to generation.
What are they? How come these idle genes are in our genome? Those were the
question many scientists posed and failed to answer - until the
breakthrough discovery by Prof. Sam Chang and his group.

Posted by: judi gemini on June 5, 2005 06:10 AM

OMG, Neerav! I am beside myself wondering what to wear to the party! Something with spandex, I think, since I will be yelling a lot most likely and will need room for chest expansion.
I used to be quite a party person, but I haven't been in the mood lately. I've been waiting for the Big One. I'll bring the noise makers. And the cosmic cocktails, of course.

I don't care what Saturn says, I intend to part all through Saturn in Leo. Serious partying!

Posted by: jm on June 5, 2005 06:21 AM

Tseka,

I love your stories. You tell them with such grace.

Posted by: jm on June 5, 2005 06:23 AM

LOL! Only 24 hours left until the "Downing Street Memo" is presented to Senate and the Hosue respectively. There is more beer in the firdge, and keg stands. Hey PatQOP, where did you put the Paxil gthat you brought?


It will be a long, torturous time for Bush, but a good celebration of the downfall of Bush and his cronies.


Let's wish the Democrats luck with this Memo folks, and hope that they DO decide to investigae Bush's lies and his bad strategy and decide to Impeach him!!!


Either way, Bush and his cronies are screwed from tommrow onward. If the mainstream media picks up on this story, the hell would be even worse, and this Impeachment Party would be rocking even more!!!

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 5, 2005 02:34 PM

Neerav, it may be a mistake to count on Bush's downfall. He is still very protected. The Congress will not impeach him, no matter what, it seems. They are a Republican body. If they did, it would be incredible, just incredible.

I think the most we can hope for is to keep his numbers down to where he is truly a lame duck, and try to get through the next 3 years. There is a strong possibility that he will not finish his term, but I have grave doubts that it will be because of impeachment.

I think something "Kryon" said is probably the best route, send the leaders that be as much white light that we can muster, helping to put light into the darkness, so that secrets may be unveiled and they will start to make better decisions on our behalf. It won't hurt.

Posted by: Laurie on June 5, 2005 02:56 PM

As much as I wish I could join the party, I really don't think there's any cause for celebration just yet.

The Bush-Cheney-Rove machine is still in power, and is likely to remain there until at least 2007, barring a handful of brave and fed-up Republicans in Congress who would opt to pull a Jeffords to give the Dems a majority in the House.

And then, there are still the voting machines, which may be employed to curtail what ought to be a sweeping Democratic landslide victory in 2006.

Even if somehow the Bush Cabal were to get sent packing early, I don't think I will celebrate until every one of these men are brought before the International Criminal Court at The Hague on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity.

When Dubya, his vainglorious daddy George Herbert Walker Bush, Dick Dastardly Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, Rice and the rest of this miserable, despicable lot are rotting away in the hell of their very own Abu Gharib, once they finally face justice for their own monstrous atrocities, AND when America feels the deep and terrible shame for allowing these people to run amok and wreak havoc upon the globe in their name, then, perhaps then I will find some small cause for celebration. If for no other reason than the fact that the hundreds of thousands of men and women who were wounded, traumatised and sent into the meat grinder for greed, lies and deceit of heartless, thoughtless, reckless men.

Posted by: NEOBuckeye on June 5, 2005 03:30 PM

Judi Gemini I'm glad to see your post on "junk" DNA. I also smile. My roommate (eons ago) from university has been working on the HG project for years...because of myth and particle physics (David Bohm) i suggested years ago that we would find "ghosts" of our ancient past. A "pattern of the spirit" required it. Isn't it curious how when something isn't working according to our cartesian way of thinking it's junk? What is most interesting to me is that there appears to be another layer beyond this. As we get more sophisticated and discreet in our uncovering the mystery it simply grows more humbling. We carry all of our memories and all of the current unfolds on our past, personal and collective. By the way this is the symbolic meaning of white raven. she is our memory connected to spirit. In the Hel story she was muninn (memory) and rode Hel's left shoulder. This is what we are to never forget-at our own peril.

Posted by: tseka on June 5, 2005 03:54 PM

Scott Ritter came to our town Friday to speak about Iraq and Bush. He gave a great talk about Bush lies and that he should be impeached. However, Scott Ritter said that it would never happen with a republican majority in congress and a over content comsumer society like the american people.
I guess he is right. Unless we protest by the millions, we are stuck with facist crooks swinging a sharp cross at us. Starman

Posted by: Bill Marshall on June 5, 2005 04:05 PM

This I think might be worth getting out there to all the people you know.

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Pat C on June 5, 2005 04:13 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3449870/

The Bush Administration vs. 9/11 Rescue Workers, continued

Posted by: Pat C on June 5, 2005 04:20 PM

NEOBuckeye you state my feelings with eloquence. I find no reason to celebrate yet...and even if all the "Bush cabal were to get sent packing" the wound would still be raw and we would be needed to work hard to repair and create the next chapter of this country. Or leave a void for cousins of the Bush cabal to flow in and we would be starting all over again.

Posted by: tseka on June 5, 2005 04:32 PM

I am drinking strong tea as I am writing this post to all of my dear friends in Astroworld, who I love and respect very much (and yes, I do mean that!!!). =D

I can definitely see his approval ratings DROP due to this, plus other factors that are already in play for the last few months. It will take time for it to happen.


What we need, ladies and gentlemen, is to get this "Downing Street Memo" out to the mainstream media and get the media obsessed with this story so that the American peple can be informed.


Knowledge is power, and the truth can set you free, and if we can get this out there, Bush will be in trouble. If he doesn't get impeached, he better resign.......although Dick Cheney will be in command (not barring a heart attack), and THAT will be more hell, but even a lamer duck than Bush. Let's spread the word on the Downing Street Memo and give Bush and his cronies hell!!!


But, we really want is for Cheney, Bush and Rumsfeld all to be investigated and have them impeached, if not, have them resign. Hastert would them be President, but it will be lame duck. It's a long shot, I agee with Laurie, but I think we can get there, if we spread the word of the Downing Street Memo and other relevant information with the help of our elected officials in Congress and with the help of the mainstream media, we can make Bush pay!!!


Either way, I want to see Bush & Company squirm!!! =D


Of course, the Republicans defeat any attempt to impeach Bush or call for his ouster despite his sinking approval ratings dropping cause of this Memo (and any other information about the illegal Iraq War and the lies leading up to it), the worsening situation in Iraq (can you say, "potential" civil war?), the not so good veiw of the economy (are we getting into another soft patch?) and his failure at reforming Social Security, the backlash in the 2006 midterms will be tremendous (let's hope it does), not barring that the election gets rigged (we hope not!!!).


I expect Bush's popularity ratings to be in the mid-30s by late August, as the Pew Research Poll and the American Research Group has the latest approval reading at 43%.


Before that though, expect the approval ratings to go up until about mid-June or so, and then start dropping. Remember, any rise in Bush's approval ratings are "small" and "temporary", and given the worsening conditions in Iraq, the potential impact of the DSM (which will take some time to fully manifest, mind you), and the sour view of both the economy and Bush's handling of the Social Security reforms those temporary rises in his approval ratings can more than easily be wiped out, and then some. =)


From late June/early July onward, the real fun begins when we should "hopefully" start seeing apporval ratings around 40%. The worsening situation in Iraq will be one impact. The Downing Street Memo's impact will take time, but it will work quite well.


Still though, every astrology forecast that I and youselves had read have indicated threat the downfall of Bush & Company, or at least, a very difficult time for Bush and Company is ahead starting June 2005 and all the way to August 2006. If Bush does not fall, he will pay with his apporval ratings and the retaking of the Congress by both the Democrats and by plain old common sense.


There is still hope, but we need to get out there to make it work peoples, not just posting on forums and message boards like these! Remember, actions speak MUCH louder than words!!! =D

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 5, 2005 04:35 PM

Action is necessary to get anything done. You are so right about that Neerav. Posting is also important though. "knowledge is power." Democracy depends on freedom of information.

Then of course there is destiny and a higher power...but I think we are also suppose to walk the walk for our own betterment.

Namaste

Posted by: Pat C on June 5, 2005 05:15 PM

Funny, I guess.

http://cagle.slate.msn.com/working/050603/heller.gif

Posted by: Pat C on June 5, 2005 06:19 PM

Hey Starman, how wonderful you got to see Scott Ritter. That guy was right all along and they tried to take him down. The American sheeple must have no memory.

Was it a big crowd? I wish C-Span would have covered it.

Posted by: Laurie on June 5, 2005 07:28 PM

If we perceive ourselves as stuck, then we are stuck.

I personally do not see where this is written in stone. I believe it is impossible to predict right now, and why should we? We have lessons to learn at the moment.

And I, of course, believe that there is a benevolent force at work as well. I am banking on that.

And I am going to party anyway. I can usually find something to celebrate.
Actually, better things than the downfall of people. That will happen automatically at the right time.

Posted by: jm on June 5, 2005 07:36 PM

jm, me too. A party and good company is just a good thing no matter what.

In the mean time...

Sidelining the CIA.....Could a new Deap throat emerge?

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1069065,00.html

Sidelining the CIA A new White House memo excludes CIA director Porter Goss from National Security Council meetings The biggest changes in Washington often come about with just a few strokes of the pen. And so a dry, one-page internal memo quietly issued by the White House is being viewed as a kind of eulogy for the once mighty Central Intelligence Agency. After nearly 60 years at the pinnacle of American intelligence—and at the elbow of Presidents—the CIA director is no longer automatically welcome at the President's National Security Council (NSC) meetings. John Negroponte, the new director of National Intelligence, has taken his chair.

It's the latest evidence that Negroponte is consolidating his power as the nation's intelligence czar. The May 2 memo, obtained by TIME and also reported late last week by GovWatch.com, states that "effective immediately," Negroponte will participate in meetings of the NSC and its domestic counterpart, the Homeland Security Council (HSC). Meanwhile, CIA Director Porter Goss "will attend NSC and HSC meetings at the direction of the President."

That's the polite Beltway equivalent of saying, "Don't call us. We'll call you."

"It's a clear diminution in the authority of the director of CIA," says David Rothkopf, a Clinton Administration official and author of a new book on the NSC. "If you're not in the room, you're not playing an influential role." CIA spokeswoman Jennifer Millerwise says Goss, who was sworn in as CIA chief last September, still attends his share of meetings—and isn't in the game for "face time." He "is there when he needs to be," says Millerwise. Goss has so far publicly ignored any suggestions that his power has been reduced. Though he is no longer in charge of the President's daily intelligence briefing, Goss supporters say, he is spending more time focusing on needed reforms at the agency, visiting far-flung CIA spooks in the field and looking for ways to fill in gaps in the CIA's human intelligence and analysis.

Posted by: Pat C on June 5, 2005 07:45 PM

Pat C,

I agree about the walk for our own betterment. If we work on ourselves we will be making a most valuable contribution.
I believe we will get more longlasting results by doing this... less focus on attacking others and more on building inner strength of character and goodness of action.

Somehow, outside events and peoples' wrongdoing seem to ultimately resolve themselves. It's hard to see our exact place in this and what we should be doing individually, but it can be understood if we stay aware and have good intentions.

Posted by: jm on June 5, 2005 07:45 PM

Damn, does anybody have a birthday coming up? We can celebrate that.


But yeah, write to you congressmen to oppose the nomination of John Bolton for the position of the US Ambassador to the United Nations, and to bring up the Downing Street Memo so we can see Bush & Company rot!!!


P.S.: When is Nancy or Sally going to post up with a new article on Astroworld?

Posted by: Neerav Trivedi on June 5, 2005 08:01 PM

Am just guessing a bit perhaps, neerav, but I'm pretty sure that a new article will be offered at just the time & just the right space, but not always, of course, at our demands... ;O)

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