Oh, Cap'n Sally, I do love it when you get on a roll. And you were in top form with this short-and-sweet, dynamite-packed contribtion. Many, many thanks! Get your oars out, folks, we're gonna row row row our little boats into a brighter future!

Not so fast, next stop will be Social Security. The famous 14 are so pleased with themselves, they will continue this path, it's the scent of absolute power, Liberman and Salazar in the 14 was my first clue that they would broker a deal for Social Security. Some of those folks on that team have been had. While they are smelling power, I am smelling revolution. They will just keep piling their crap on.

Well lookie here, right on cue. The Social Security system is on the block

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/24/social.security/index.html

I am reminded of that great scene in the beloved classic movie "the Wizard of Oz" where the self proclaimed 'great and powerful' (and elusive) Oz is non-stop using his smoke, mirrors, and special effects to continuously cow and terrorize an intimidated populace, until one of Dorothy's companions (tin man, lion??) suddenly discovers, and then unceremoniously pulls open the curtain, revealing the whole setup as one huge elaborately concocted sham.

All it will now take is just one (1!) real honest to goodness, don't make 'em like that anymore PATRIOT (perhaps in the military, CIA, FBI, secret service, etc.) wlling to risk it all personally for the long term survival of America to call a press conference and tell all about 9/11, Iraq, torture in the U.S. gulags and who is the real catalyst behind it, Gannon + Bush, or one of soooo many possibilities.

I truly believe this situation has now irrevocably morphed into the proverbial "house of cards", and a VERY strong and decisive wind has finally begun to blow.

You are so right Grizzly. When I stand back and look at this like a movie, they are just too funny. Bush said tonight if the Republicans didn't support his Social Security they would feel the rath of the people. Can you believe that one? The people are dead set against SS Changes unless they start "fixing" the polls. It's comments like that which make me feel they are all going over the edge. Just picture watching that in a movie. That comment is right up there with his comment that Treasury Bills are not good because they back SS, they also back our extensive loans.

I know what we can do, we can form our own government, a new government and empower them to act on our behalf, put it in New York where the US government started.

Fineman of MSNBC is seeing a turning point too.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7967628

well, are you going to do another article on that tantilizing ending: "it's going to be a fascinating spring and summer." is this like, may you live in interesitng times!

excellent article. i think you nailed it, people are seeing these clowns in the light of day and it's not a pretty sight.

Has ANYONE of you folks EVER READ the

constitution of the U.S.?

I didn't think so.

Article 1; Section 8.

Read it. PLEASE.

Sally, thank you! I had JUST read an article regarding Social Security by Kos at DailyKos wherein he was sort of warning about the same thing you did, and then I come here and wah-lah!

Anyway, it's a good read.

http://www.dailykos.com/

Scroll down to "Deal on Social Security?" Also check out the recommended diaries at the right, there's one (at the top right now) that urges Washington Insiders, etc. to please start spilling some beans. Verrry interesting!

Steven, I have read the Constitution, many, many times. It always helps to provide a link.

http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html

For Article 1, Section 8, do a little scrolling down the page. I do wonder what you are getting at??

Hey Sally,

Here's a good one regarding your wonderful sentence:"little by little the chinks of the wall are falling down"...

>>House Defies Veto Threat
Lawmakers vote 238-194 to loosen President Bush's restrictions on stem cell research. Senate supporters of the bill are pushing for quick action, but no debate has yet been scheduled.<<

Cheney kind of reminds me of Humpty Dumpty... no?

Happy Memorial Day to you, too.

Travieso, love your site, man!

Grizzly,

I think Toto, the little dog, actually discovers the Wizard behind the curtain in Wizard of Oz and pulls it open. Leave it to the brilliant innocence (and top-rate bullshit sniffing nose) of a dog to discover the truth. :-)

New Planet

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2005/s1375743.htm]

A team of Tasmanian scientists has been instrumental in the discovery of a new massive planet. Composed of gas, it's located in the centre of the Milky Way and it is big – believed to be one-thousand times the size of Earth.

The scientists from the University of Tasmania were part of an international collaborative project pioneering the use of a new method to look for planets. It involves using the gravitational field of a star to act as a giant lens and focus the light from an object much further away.

More....

I apologize if this has been posted before. It is rather long, so print it out and read it while drinking your morning coffee. I see my governor (Warner)is on the attendee list. Well, well, well.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/052405Estulin/052405estulin.html

Patricia

Hello all!!!
Great article Sally and thanks again for this wonderful place. Namaste all and white light!!!

Could Wayne Madsen be the whistleblower we are all desperately hoping for? Read this:
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/052405Madsen/052405madsen.html

And Steven--more info about the Constitutional reference? I'm trying to figure out what you hinted at.

And remember everyone, peace and love are not just for (all of us old) hippies anymore!!!

Yes, Sally, the walls are tumbling down... very fine article.

Not many 'Dems' - that is Progressive or 'Left' leaning folks --- 'left' in the government (no pun intended!)...

The Eagle cannot fly with one wing... in my view that is all that is left... one party is all we have, one voice clamors above the very few dissents.

BTW, don't know where on this planet John McCain will find support... whore that he is ('noble war' indeed)--- guess he thinks torture of prisoners is okay and the smear job he got in South Carolina is not bad enough to prevent his kissing up to his nemesis, who perhaps is not his nemesis afterall?

Meanwhile back at the ranch... 1,000 troops are amassing to thwart the Iraqi 'insurgents' as we watch the three-card monte. June is rapidly approaching and tPluto Rx is moving in to opposition against USA nMars, while pMars is at 18 degrees libra 42 mins, moving toward a trine to nMars. US troops moved into the Iraq/Syrian border couple of weeks ago. Sabres are rattling against Iran... and Sharon is getting very impatient. Spring/summer will be bloody in the Middle East.

The walls of this 'democracy' have indeed fallen. Our dictatorship is well established.

Travieso, the US Pluto return won't occur until February of 2022. That's 17 years away. We have moved onto a long hard road... in my view.

JM, the US government has NEVER been kind to impoverished people, quite the contrary has been the case. American people, on the other hand --- at least those with full bellies --- have always been generous 'in the moment' --- that is, gifts to Red Cross etc. for flood victims, etc. But they have always opposed 'foreign aid' --- and even welfare to American poor. I'm afraid our reputation is known all to well to the world, and we have nothing to 'regain' in that respect. What we might think about doing as a collective is waking up from the slumber of false security and facing our global problems. Of course human nature being what it is, we won't do that until our bread basket is hit head on...

Cassandra has my full attention these days. And as Ram Dass said decades ago... Waking is not easy, but once 'awake' one cannot go back to sleep. Socrates' analogy of The Cave has perhaps never been more appropriate.

Laurie, I support your comments to Steven fully. Steven, it's unwise to walk into a group for the first time and insult the occupants.

The other day I was working with my company's marketing department on a advertising piece promoting our lines of credit. When we got to the section discussing the rate indexing, I jokingly said we should replace the "six-month treasury bill" with "Bush's worthless IOU's." Let's just say they didn't appreciate it too much.

Steven are you by any chance related to the gentleman whose name cannot be mentioned?

Really good site...

http://www.markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/

The best way to get rid of pesky lurkers is to ask the basic question:
Old enough to sign up and put money where the mouth is and fight for your leader and constitution you so love to aggrandize?

That usually sets cowards and bullies running. When they come in to distrupt that means we are really onto something really hot. Don't drop the hot potato now that the macrocosmic movie is getting to the good scenes and my popcorn is yummy.

I think the deal to take the nuclear option off the table is basically a good one. Frist is now at the mercy of those 7 Republican senators, however, there is nothing to stop these senators from renigging on the compromise.

Hey, I wonder if this is what Steven had in mind:
"To define and punish . . . Offences against the Law of Nations."

There it is, huh, Steven, from Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution. I guess its about time we put BushCo. on the dock for the grave offenses against the Law of Nations, i.e., International Law. Ever read the Charter for the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials, Steven? Check out Article 6 (a) and (b).

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/proc/imtconst.htm

What do we know about the Leadership Institute?

http://tabletalk.salon.com/webx?13@@.773b2b24

Priscilla Owen was confirmed today.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050525/D8AAAUL81.html

Dave, I really do apologize, but I just have to tell you it's RENEGING. Root word is "renege" or "renegue": go back on a promise...renounce or abandon.

I thought it was "reneg," myself. So I stand corrected, too. Sorry. Not trying to be petty or self-righteous; your word just struck me...

The vote for Owens was at 11:58am on a VOC Moon. I don't have her birthdate yet, but the confirmation indicates a point of destiny with Pluto completing a yod with an inconj. of a Mercury (Taurus) and Saturn (Cancer) sextile. Pluto is retrograde and will be turning around in Sept. to traverse back and kick off that yod, in a couple of days Venus (at the reactionary point) will oppose Pluto, this nomination is not going to go well, because monthly the Moon sets it off, in a couple of months Mars sets it off, the Sun sets it off and Mercury will set it off. Could be some protests to her first day on the bench. It is a powerful chart but not a nice one. Everytime Venus aspects 22/23/24 Mutable you will hear about Judge Owens.

Sally,

From one of the news links above:

October 4, 1954, Palacios Texas. I have no birth time for her.

My same birthdate, but different year. So Jupiter has been traversing her Sun recently and isn't done yet.

Sally, at the end of the last thread you posted about Pluto at 26 Sag when the Sons of Liberty were formed (I had been writing about King George III and his stupendously similar agenda with B***.....then I get to read this fine piece....my only question being the spelling of compromise....?

Thanks for the spellcheck Lori!

Sally (or anyone, actually!),

Please forgive me if this is an obviously easy answer, but if Pluto, Mercury and Saturn are all involved with the chart when P. Owen was confirmed, why would Venus hitting that 22/23/24 degree of a Mutable Sign be in the mix? Am I missing something? Well, obviously I am, but what? :-)

I had to shut my computer down last night....one of the external fire wire drives is always freezing up the computer, and I also think the fan is going in it....of course, Saturn is withing 1-2 deg of my Jupiter, so I am expecting a certain amount of reality checks.
So I am now catching up.....I keep that Bilmon photo of the Nuremberg trials (the mother of one of my Jewish roomates in LA. translated at Nuremberg, so I got an early peak at the horror from her, nothing specific, she had real issues with Germans, I can tell you....http://billmon.org/archives/trial.html). and the photoshoped heads of the current b**crew on the older participants right on my desktop. Aids visualization!

Sally...how can Soc Sec go down....do you see ANY hope? I mean, the stem cell vote surprised me....the people have spoken and it means nada, apparently. I see real Revolution in the streets....but Bill Thomas is spearheading the changes, and he has ALWAYS gotten what he wanted....

Jo...a thrill to read your post.....

good stuff today...the air seems electric with change...Judi

Interesting editorial in SF Chronicle, which has a new publisher now....so they printed this piece which made me gag but may represent a number, perhaps a big number, of older old leftist (think Dennis Miller, actor Ron Silver, and many more, who have lurched rightward.

He says 'I can no longer abide the simpering voices of self-styled progressives-people who once championed solidarity'....and then he goes on the simper about how awful the left is for NOT SUPPORTING THE DEMOCRITIZATION OF IRAQ UNDER BUSH'S PLAN.

I think he is a plant like Jill Stewart is a plant....they say they are left, then just trash them....and well paid, too. Says he is going thru a metamorphosis. I think he is merely returning to his roots in a VERY fundamentalist Ohio background. (A danger many people may face, let alone a leftist political party.) Kinda shines a light on the success in this present filibuster fight of the center coalition)http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/05/22/INGUNCQHKJ1.DTL

And in the next page, a new take: the son of Francis Sshaeffer, the man who TAUGHT PAT ROBERTSON, JAMES DOBSON AND JERRY FALWELL. this is fascinating....called With God on their side...he fled the world of hot and heavy fundamentalism and became a novelist.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/05/22/EDGFVC9HPG1.DTL

Judi: I did misspell Compromise, my spelling and grammer go down after midnight and it was after midnight. SS benefits will go down, Bush is going to present a bill that Delay or Frist can take to the floor, the Gang of 14 will come up with their own bill that gives Bush some of what he wants and an open door for him to get the rest. Without their "compromise" of the other day, there wouldn't have been any opportunity to filibuster the new plan. Bush is out there now trying to drum up some support for SS so he can go in with "political capital"

Jonathan, Saturn is at 23 degrees Cancer, sextile Mercury at 24 Taurus. Pluto at 23 Sag. inconjuncts them both setting up a yod (that's a point of destiny) Venus is at 19 degrees Gemini opposing Pluto and takes the place (at 23 degrees) of what is called the "reaction point" (that's when a planet transits or natal that impacts or sets off a yod) so in two days Venus will set it off, then the Sun, then Mercury, eventually Mars. The Moon will set it off every month. Pluto is retrograde now and when it goes direct in the fall it aspects itself (as part of the yod) once again. In fact, on November 18th Pluto will have returned to its place and the Moon will be opposing at 23 Gemini. When a person or country has a yod, the potential for a dramatic turn in destiny happens everytime something sets it off from the reaction point, in this case that would be 22/23/24 Gemini, or those degrees when the reaction points are squared. Venus will also progress to 22/23/24 Gemini over the next few years (3 in Solar Arc) and that will be like a flow of water or blood that cannot be stopped. She will be a lightening rod.

Jonathan, Venus/Women (Ownes) opposed by Pluto (tansformation of egos)....if it is continually activated by the YOD Sally mentioned, then, it will be a contentious and repeating aspect. (I got beaten up when Pluto by transit squared my Venus)....I think that is what Sally is saying. And the fact that they oonfirmed her on a VOC moon seems to support that contention...not to mention putting Pluto/Center of the Galazy at opposition to Venus....big message. At least I THINK that is what Sally was saying.

Corporations were defined as persons in the case Santa Clara County vs. Southern Pacific Railroad, which the US Supreme Court settled on May 10, 1886. Thus began many more of our woes.

Well, since we brought up finances and social security and tax breaks....here is something by the numbers http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/05/22/ING5OCQ5PU1.DTL

Sally....you hadn't posted your reply to Jonathan when I wrote mine....thank goodness it seems as if I am saying the same thing, although not in numbers.....

Your spelling may be as mine is....shakey at times. Did you learn phonetics? is that a good or bad way to learn spelling? I figure if you pronounce it wrong, you will spell it wrong (honest, I get the 'er' and 'or' on words like doctor mixed up....! My typing sucks also,lately.

Wow! Thanks Sally for your amazing response. I'm beginning to see it more clearly now. I'm still working to make the planets People to me. But, just like people, planets often surprise you with what they got. Jupiter isn't just X, Y and Z ... he's also A thru W! Reaction points and such? Still workin' on that, but what a great place to see astrology in action! Thank you for creating this space, Sally. And thank you all for continuing to so generously give of yourselves, comment after comment after comment. :-)

well, more bad news ....the census trend for the next 30 years from the WSJ: but you have to go to DailyKos...Census trends
by kos
Wed May 25th, 2005 at 14:58:56 PDT
From Census Bureau projections (link is an excel file).

Red and blue corresponds to whether a state was Red or Blue in 2004. The numbers refer to Electoral Votes. Census trends
by kos
Wed May 25th, 2005 at 14:58:56 PDT
From Census Bureau projections (link is an excel file).

Red and blue corresponds to whether a state was Red or Blue in 2004. The numbers refer to Electoral Votes. Census trends
by kos
Wed May 25th, 2005 at 14:58:56 PDT
From Census Bureau projections (link is an excel file).

Red and blue corresponds to whether a state was Red or Blue in 2004. The numbers refer to Electoral Votes. http://www.dailykos.com/

wow, sorry about that....don't know what happened (an error message said I needed a new keyboard!!!!)

Is the Smirky WH trying (TRYING???) to control the media? Go vote; you'll be among many friends:

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/

PatC
Regarding that new planet ....Apparently it was a kiwi lady amateur astronomer right here in NZ that first saw something strange. She contacted via email professional astronomers from around the globe, who investigated further - there were 32 who were involved in the collaboration and validated her initial observations using a technique that is new. She was interviewed on the tv morning show here in NZ yesterday. I think they said it was the first planet discovered outside our solar system.
In terms of the astrological discussions on the galactic center lately, one comment that got my attention was, "NZ is right under the galactic center so that is why she was able to see it." Not sure of the exact date that she saw it, but it was some time ago, and the professional group had been working to validate since then.

Kiwijeanie, they should be mentioning her right at the top of the list, and name it for her. NZ should insist, yes?

Senator Bill Frist: Born Feb. 22, 1952, Nashville, Tennessee. Time?

I am actually hopeful for the first time in years. Thanks, Sally

Has anyone heard from Pallas?

I'm having trouble unraveling my thoughts lately..so i haven't posted in weeks, but I've enjoyed the links and comments!
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
helen thomas jumped all over scocroft for say, "WE were invited into iraq and afganistan"!?!
can you believe the gall?

the f.b.i also has their dukes out...
very interresting stuff happening, just snowballing...the gop is toast imop

And heard thru the grapevine ( very reliable source) the cia is in disarray too.
PQ

PatC, In true collaborative spirit, the lady was quite happy to focus the kudos on the whole group's effort rather than just herself. Oh if the world could have more people that were in it for the betterment of all, rather than self centered grandstanding ego!

The Senate is voting on Bolton tomorrow at 6:00pm, the Moon in Capricorn will be close to an opposition to Bolton's Cancer Moon some kind of ending or closure for him and T Saturn will be JUST past a square to his Natal Venus by 2 minutes, no one is going to feel good about this one if he's confirmed and I expect he will be. Plus when Saturn in a personal event chart is conj. the person's natal Venus, he will be walking on eggs and not winning popularity contests. He has T Pluto coming to a conjunction to his natal Mars by December/January and Neptune will be activating his natal Mercury/Pluto square nearly all year. In six months or less the Senate will have an opportunity to watch this mistaken placement in full public glory.

I watched some of C-Span tonight and thought what a picture of pompous, overblown, arrogant, out of touch, egomaniacal,narcissistic manhood they are; an insult to every good and decent man I've ever known.

Even Richard Nixon had a certain amount of decency and thought for the people and what was best for the country, how, when did we come to elect leaders such as these. What were we thinking?

Terrific reading Sally ~ Thanks for your continued wisdom ~

GOP TILTING BALANCE OF POWER TO THE RIGHT
By Jim VandeHei
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 26, 2005

As Democrats tell it, this week's compromise on judges was about much more than the federal courts. If President Bush and congressional allies had prevailed, they say, the balance of power would have been forever altered.

snip ~The transformation started in the House in the 1990s and intensified with Bush's 2000 election. The result has been a stronger president working with a compliant and streamlined Congress to push the country, and the courts, in a more conservative direction, according to historians, government scholars, and current and former federal officials.

CONTINUED~

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/25/AR2005052501997.html

Senator George Voinovich had me in tears as he broke up at the end of his speech pleading with his fellow Republicans not to vote for Bolton. I have a lot of respect for him now. Did anyone else see it?

I e-mailed him to thank him but who knows when he might see that.

Voinovich birth data: Birthdate: 07/15/1936
Birthplace: Cleveland, OH

Kiwijeanie, you are so right about that. She would not be the one to ask for honors, for sure.

http://first-draft.com/

Rep. Mike Pence on stem cell research: " I would ask, where is the consent of the American taxpayer who believes, as I do, as millions do, that life begins at conception? Where is their consent about the use of their tax dollars for this research?"

Where was my consent, Mr. Pence, when you invaded another country and used my friends and family and their loved ones to do it? Where was my consent when you cast your vote in favor of this war?

Where was my consent, Tom DeLay, when you chose to kill some Iraqis in the -- at best -- misguided attempt to prevent American deaths from terrorism? Where was my consent when you killed to save us from a threat that didn't exist? When you voted yes, when you backed this war with your words but not your worthless body, where was your concern for my consent then?

Senator Brownback, honestly, where should we start? Taxpayer dollars have been used to kill young humans since the first taxpayer dollar was collected, and the only prayer we've ever had is that their deaths are in service to some noble and necessary cause and not for a lie. In the past four years, taxpayer dollars have funded some of the worst depravities this country has ever known. Taxpayer dollars keep the lights on in Guantanamo Bay. Taxpayer dollars keep the doors open (and locked shut, and guarded by dogs) at Abu Ghraib. Lest you forget, taxpayer dollars napalmed Vietnam, and taxpayer dollars pay your salary, and for neither of those was I ever asked for my consent, so don't you come to me now with this nonsense.

America isn't a salad bar. You don't get to check off a list of the things you want to support and the things you don't. We live in a democracy so that means I pay for tanks when I don't want to, and you pay to feed poor kids when you don't think they deserve it, and hopefully we live in some kind of middle ground where nobody on the whole pays for a government they find outright intolerable, though you guys are pushing my limits these days. Don't start getting all sanctimonious with me about what you pay for and what you get. Your party may think of this government like one big Burger King but so long as there is more than one person out there who disagrees with you, there will be things on this earth you find disagreeable. I'd like to feel sorry for you, that your beautiful mind is taxed so, but I'm afraid there's a war on and we just don't have time to indulge you.

I did not consent to give billions to Halliburton. I did not consent to give millions to Chalabi. I sent you thousands of my taxpayer dollars last year and nowhere in my tax forms was there a little checkoff box: Would you like the government to burn and maim children with this, ma'am. Would you give the government permission to kill your neighbor's son in Fallujah, ma'am. Would you let the government torture and slaughter and pillage and rape and then sit there and watch while those who voted for that kind of torment talk about how the killing of people is wrong.

It isn't your birthday I know of, Senator, so I'm under no obligation to give you a gift. You and your colleagues may not have the consent of the governed to (in your words) destroy life in this case, but all I'm saying is that it hasn't hindered you unduly thus far. You seem quite capable of killing just fine without my name on a permission slip.

Brava alilene!!

I am a terrible at typing. Once again, Brava abilene!!!

Wow! Abilene! That was eloquent. Where else can you publish it besides here at AW?

Oops--I see that WAS publshed somewhere else. Thanks for sharing it.

Whoa Cap'n Sally! Terrific! Let's hope there isn't an army of Bilderbergs, Illuminati, etc., etc. to repair those chinks falling away. There's definitely a power grab taking place and i really don't see any end to it.

"We the People" may be the pesky dogs trying to pull back that curtain but you can bet that those who support the enslavement of many for the few will only set up shop in another part of the world.

Though this may sound pessimistic, i truly believe that most of "we the people" are asleep at the wheel. Once in awhile "we" wake up because of a bump in the road.

Kudos all! and don't abandon those gardens ;-)It ain't over until the blues lady sings.

karen

GREAT POST ABILENE!!! I think we should be allowed to say where our tax dollars go, like we do when we make charitable donations to organizations like the United Way--we simply check off the things we want our money to be used for. That might turn into the only way we can starve the secretive tortureres & warmongers out! I would love for that to happen.....

I'd also like this story to go national and for a list of names to be posted on every blog and news broadcast.......

http://www.kwwl.com/Global/story.asp?S=3393685

namaste all and TRUTH!!!

The US Crimes Against Humanity...

http://journalhome.com/aspendouglas/

Sidney Blumenthal: Bush's War Comes Home

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5201821-110878,00.html

FBI REcords Show Abuse of Quran Allegations

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/25/AR2005052501390_pf.html

Interesting breaking news here in TN, the feds have arrested several state lawmakers.....

http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050526/NEWS02/50526002/1001

TN becamse the 16th state on 6/1/1796--any astro-insights as to what might be going on here?

Being an Aquarius w/Gemini rising, maybe that's why I feel so at home here in this Gemini state...

some info on Frist...try not to gag while reading it.....

Bill Frist was born a faith-oriented Pisces (February 22, 1952; Nashville, TN, time unknown) with his Sun conjunct the political asteroid Pallas Athena. This combination recognizes nascent political trends and patterns, and has the good sense to act quickly. The Sun is also conjunct the Moon's North Node, indicating that he is karmically led to assume positions of great influence.

Coincidentally, Bill Frist was born on the same day as George Washington (February 22, 1732), and the two have several other important planetary parallels. Both have Mars in Scorpio. Washington successfully used this exalted Mars as a decisive general, while Frist deploys its strengths as a heart surgeon. Frist and Washington also both have the Moon in Capricorn, a placement fostering keen ambition, and undoubtedly propelling both men toward the Presidency.

Frist's only political problem may be his conscience. He has Jupiter and Saturn exactly opposed to each other, and this polarity often attracts situations that force one to confront his own sense of right and wrong. However, Uranus enters Pisces and will be conjunct his Sun in 2003-04, indicating he will be tested in the spotlight as Bush grooms him to take over in 2008.

very informative, though, I had no idea the cat-killer had a conscience.....

I am so angry at the 7 Democrats who helped broker this Full Moon compromise. Was Harry Reid one of the seven or was he even informed about what was occuring?

These Democrats are such saps. These Senators fell right into Karl Rove's trap.

After the agreed upon three nominees are given an up or down vote, the Rethugs will ask if those three got up or down votes why not give the other seven nominees up or down votes. Of course none of the seven Democrats will balk and the other seven will be given votes on the floor of the Senate.

Janice Rogers Brown will be one of the three nominated and confirmed. After Requist retires, the Republicans will play the race card and Thomas will be nominated for Chief Justice. Playing the race and gender card Rogers- Brown will be nominated to replace Thomas as Associate Justice. Of course the right wing talking heads will drag out Rogers- Brown biography and ask how could Democrats block the nomination of the first African American woman to the Supreme Court and of course the spineless Democrats will cave and put up only token resistance if that.

Of course none of the seven Democrats who participated in the 'compromise' will have the balls to raise any objection and join the rest of the Democrats in a fillerbuster and if they did Frist would just invoke the nuclear option and the seven Republicans who participated in the compromise would say they were betrayed will vote for to invoke the nuclear option and outlaw the fillerbuster. The Full Moon compromise should be renamed the Trojan Horse compromise.

When will the Democrats ever get a clue

Limbaugh v. Moyers
by John Nichols, The Nation

Bill Moyers' principled journalism is a threat to the White House and the conservative movement. Time to stand firm.
http://www.tompaine.com/

Like Sally, I too am totally dismayed and disgusted that it looks like Bolton will now be confirmed, despite all the evidence of his gross unsuitability for this job.

What bothers me most however, is that the administration refuses to give even selected senators (Chairs and Vice Chairs of the Foreign Relations + Intelligence committees) information they asked for, which is needed to carry out their constitutionally mandated duty of 'advise and consent' of the President's nominees, after Rove/Cheney previously gave the same supposedly 'ultra sensitive' information to Bolton and even his own staff members!

This absolutely violates the whole concept of separation of powers of the three branches. So, we can now conclude that this short term power grab is more important to even "moderate" Rethugs like McCain, Hagel, and Lugar, than the need to protect and preserve our Constitutional Democracy.

If the Democrats do not fillibuster the nomination until this information is provided, then they are truly enablers to this fast developing travesty, and absolutely worse than useless.

I still think, however, as I have said earlier, that this "house of cards" will still shortly be undone (I pray every day for this), but America is now so far gone from its original self that it will only happen because either:

1/ Someone in authority steps up and once and for all blows the whistle and proves beyond any reasonable doubt Bushco's 9/11 complicity.

2/ There is finally hard (no pun intended) evidence so damning that even the press cannot ignore it, of an ongoing Bush/Gannon sexual relationship in the White House (I mean c'mon folks, twelve or more SLEEPOVERS for Gannon??!)

3/ The American economy goes into freefall after the Chinese get disgusted enough with our attempted bullying and continued irresponsible profligacy to start dumping their U.S. Treasury Notes (remember, it is never a wise or prudent idea to diss your creditors!), setting in motion a series of snowballing events quickly resulting in sky high interest rates, mass defaults on mortgages, huge layoffs, and $5.00 per gallon gasoline at the pumps.

Oh yes...one more thing. Of course Michael Jackson is still on trial.

Judge Rules Against DeLay Group Official

By KELLEY SHANNON, Associated Press Writer

Thursday, May 26, 2005

(05-26) 08:54 PDT Austin, Texas (AP) --

“The treasurer of a political committee formed by U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay violated Texas election code by not reporting hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions, a judge ruled Thursday in a civil case brought by Democratic candidates.

State District Judge Joe Hart, in a letter outlining his ruling to attorneys in the case, said the money, much of it corporate contributions, should have been reported to the Texas Ethics Commission.

The ruling means Bill Ceverha, treasurer of the group, called the Texans for a Republican Majority political action committee, will have to pay nearly $200,000. It will be divided among those who brought the suit against Ceverha, five Democratic candidates who lost legislative races in 2002.”

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2005/05/26/national/w080902D75.DTL

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1811289

Give 'em Hell, Harry. Roderick, to my knowledge, he was not one of the 7, but I would have a hard time believing he did not know.

However, don't be too dissappointed. Although you present a cogent scenario, do you know all the details of the agreement. Cannot the nuclear option still come back? Cannot the Dems can still fight it, including shutting down senate business. At any rate, here's another good analysis from a DU poster as to why we should not have compromised:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1811301

But let's not underestimate Reid, Boxer, Kennedy, Moveon & others to fight any future extremist efforts.

Pat C, the Limbaugh v. Moyers article is so very excellent -- I emailed it to my list. Don't miss it, AWers!

Also, Grizzly, I noticed this on Du (let's all keep our fingers & toes metaphorically crossed):

kevin_pdamerica Thu May-26-05 05:23 PM

DU Media Activists we need your help (stand by)

Members of Congress, PDA, Democrats.com, DemocracyRising.US, and others to break a big story within a few hours related to an "investigation."

Sorry, was told to put a buzz out there not not tell too much until the deal is final, and it almost is. So for anticipation of this, and to give all our friends on DU a heads up, I was given the ok to only say it will be a "Big Story."

We will need your help to cross post on all the blogs, and get it out to local media. We will have tools for you to help get the word out to local media and action alerts related to it.

Stay tuned.

Also, Grizzly, I noticed this on Du (let's all keep our fingers & toes metaphorically crossed):

kevin_pdamerica Thu May-26-05 05:23 PM

DU Media Activists we need your help (stand by)

Members of Congress, PDA, Democrats.com, DemocracyRising.US, and others to break a big story within a few hours related to an "investigation."

Sorry, was told to put a buzz out there not not tell too much until the deal is final, and it almost is. So for anticipation of this, and to give all our friends on DU a heads up, I was given the ok to only say it will be a "Big Story."

We will need your help to cross post on all the blogs, and get it out to local media. We will have tools for you to help get the word out to local media and action alerts related to it.

Stay tuned.

Judy G & other CA residents...also from DU:

PLEASE CONTACT FEINSTEIN NOW RE: BOLTON CLOTURE MOTION

By Tom Curry
National affairs writer
MSNBC
Updated: 11:18 a.m. ET May 26, 2005

WASHINGTON - In a last-ditch effort, two Democratic senators, Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut, and Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, worked Thursday to round up the 41 votes needed to stop the nomination of John Bolton to be U.S. envoy to the United Nations.

...Dodd and Biden face an uphill battle to block the vote on Bolton. They need 41 senators to beat the cloture motion that would end debate and thus prevent a vote on the nomination. With all 55 Republicans likely to vote for cloture, Biden and Dodd must find support among their own party.

Democrats Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California and Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska each said in interviews late Wednesday they would vote with the Republicans to end debate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7991303 /

Phone or Fax Senator Feinstein now at her Washington, D.C. office and express your opinion on this before the cloture motion!

Phone: (202) 224-3841
Fax: (202) 228-3954
TTY/TDD: (202) 224-2501

from same article, Nelson contact info for Floridians:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7991303 /

Phone or Fax Senator Nelson now at his Washington, D.C. office and express your opinion on this before the cloture motion!

Phone: (202) 224-6551
Fax: (202) 228-0012

THis email from Democrats Working for Amerca's Priorities has now been posted at DU:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1811289

Very interesting speech by Reid. Let us hope he means it.

Now, gotta to find the article Sharon just posted. Mmmmmmm. Good news, I hopeIhopeIhopeIhope.

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room//index.html

Classified documents on Bolton stay secret

The likely-future United Nations ambassador, better known as the boss-from-hell, may be confirmed as soon as tonight.
At 6 p.m. this evening, senators will vote on whether to end the debate on John Bolton's nomination, according to the Washington Post, even though Democrats are still waiting for classified documents about Bolton's controversial work history, which the Bush administration has refused to release:

"Sen. Christopher J. Dodd (D-Conn.) said he and his allies are not trying to prevent an eventual confirmation vote, but have no other way to pressure the administration and demonstrate the Senate's displeasure over the records impasse,” reported the Post.

"Dodd urged Republicans to vote to continue the debate until the documents are released, even if they plan to support Bolton's confirmation. 'The opportunity to avoid this altogether is in the hands of the administration,' he said.

"If today's 'cloture vote' draws at least 60 senators, debate will end and the Senate will immediately vote on Bolton's nomination, confirmation of which would require a simple majority in the 100-member chamber. Republicans hold 55 seats. If the cloture vote falls short of 60, senators will start a week-long recess and resume the Bolton debate next month."

The Senate foreign relations committee has refused to back Bolton's nomination. And as recently as Tuesday, Ohio Republican Sen. Voinovich has continued to voice strenuous objections to his confirmation, encouraging his Republicans colleagues to reconsider. But it looks like Bolton will become U.N. Ambassador Bolton. Now, it's just a question of sooner or later.

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room//index.html

Fallout from the filibuster deal

The last week has seen plenty of theorizing about the fallout from Republicans' war on the judicial filibuster in the Senate. There is the bigger picture to worry about: the greater flock of right-wing Bush nominees who could be confirmed over the next three years; the imminent battle over the next chief justice of the Supreme Court, and one, or possibly two other openings on the highest bench. And then there is the sobering fact of at least three of Bush's far-right nominees suiting up for Circuit Court seats now.
The New York Times' David Kirkpatrick gives us another look today at what's in store with Justice Priscilla Owen, the first nominee to be confirmed following Monday's compromise deal. When the Senate asked Owen for the most significant opinions she had written during her time on the Texas Supreme Court, writes Kirkpatrick, "she provided a list with a distinctive theme: tough." That would be one way to say it: "She chose opinions overturning rulings in favor of a child born with birth defects, a worker injured on an oil rig, a nurse fired for blowing the whistle on a drug-dealing co-worker, a family with an interest in an oil field that had been drained by a nearby company, asbestos and breast-implant plaintiffs and a student whose school made him cut his hair."

"She represents a part of the Texas culture that is basically a frontier mentality," noted Southern Methodist University law professor Linda S. Eads, who is an Owen supporter and a former deputy attorney general of Texas.

Owen's confirmation won't necessarily change the balance of the Fifth Circuit in New Orleans, which is already dominated by Republicans. But it may define a more important one: "After Senate Democrats allowed her confirmation to break a stalemate over judicial nominations," writes Kirkpatrick, "her conservative supporters argued that her confirmation set a benchmark. Judges with records and views like Ms. Owen's, her supporters argue, can no longer be construed as objectionable. They note that none of her opinions have been overturned."

If conservatives are right, the bar is now set pretty darn high for Dems' to invoke "extraordinary circumstances," per Monday's agreement, in order to use the filibuster in the future. Looking at Owen's pedigree, does anybody really want to think about the kind of nominee that'll require?

Sharon, I couldn't find your kevin_pda entry over at DU, but rawstory.com is saying that a coalition of groups is asking congress to investigate the "secret" memo. It's one of those ". . . developing . . . " things, so we'll have to wait and see. Do you think this is the same thing you saw over at DU? This is turning out to be a rather interesting day.

Feinstein. Yeah, she's real fine, ain't she?

SCOTUSblog

http://www.scotusblog.com/movabletype/

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

There's an article in The Hill today that you should read. It's about a talk Bob Rubin, Clinton's Treasury Secretary, gave to the House Democratic caucus yesterday. The headline topic was Social Security. And his message was unequivocal: Democrats would be fools to fall into the trap of putting forward their own concrete plan on Social Security under current circumstances.

In discussing this question, one must always come back to the simple fact that the Democrats especially shouldn't come up with a concrete plan when the president himself still hasn't put one forward.

More...

Shy, I imagine that could be it. By the secret "Memo," I take it you mean the British one confirming the U.S. plans to invade Iraq one year before it took place?

Pat C....Bob Rubin is a smart guy....that is sure. And shylurker, I was going to post that raw story link, the developing story on investigating the Downing Memo....the wall are crumbling as Sally so brilliantly put it (visually!)....

As for Feinstein....ask WV what HE thinks of the repub. in dem clothing...(her husband Dick Blum is now under scruitiny because of his ownership in certain companies...conflict of interest raises its head once again with them)

forgot to mention that delay's walls are crumbling also. why is it that all the good Xians as they call themselves are so terribly ethically challenged? prominent neptunes keeping them hiding from themselves? Not a prominent Saturn among them, I would guess...else they'd never be on that fiscal irresponsibility and graft path.

and in news from Indiana where it seems that there is NO freedom of religion or speech:
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050526/NEWS01/505260481
7 days Archive   

May 26, 2005

Judge: Parents can't teach pagan beliefs
Father appeals order in divorce decree that prevents couple from exposing son to Wicca.

Just talked to Feinstein's office and was assured (I asked three times) that she was NOT voting for Bolton. This is as of 3:15 EST.

Great news about Feinstein... Maybe he won't be confirmed after all or maybe he'll squeak through...not exactly a mandate.

The reason I like the Limbaugh v. Moyers article so much is that it so clearly defines Moyers' views on the difference between "publicity" (a nicer term than propaganda) and real investigative journalism.

Did you all see the article posted on DU where 2 schools in Boca Raton, FL (not exactly a religious center) have given students their suggested reading list for this summer. It consists solely of the Bible, which they say is a necessary component to understanding American lit. That might very well be true ("The Scarlet Letter, etc.) but it's still just a little skewed!

U.S. toll in Iraq
As of Wednesday, at least 1,648 members of the U.S. military had died as a result of the Iraq war, according to an Associated Press count.

And this from AP: Planet Shifts Tied to Rubble..Researchers say computer simulations show how tugging bodies shaped orbits...

they did it with computer gaming software....got the whole thing in one try.

It is presented in today's issue of the journal Nature by Alessandro Morbidelli of the Cote d'Azure Observatory in Nice, FR....but I CANNOT FIND IT ONLINE. I read it in the SF Chronicle, but they don't post AP stories online. however, there is an interesting page of planetary stuffat Nature on the story itself:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v435/n7041/edsumm/e050526-09.html

Not to mention the HUGE possibility of a pandemic bird flu outbreak which the world has neither enough vaccine for or preparation for .....and of course, the rethuglipigans are trying to do away with public health care entirely.... it really does mean a lot of walls are tumbling down, both good and bad.

Sharon, I did see that link on DU but haven't checked back to see if anything is done. I do want to say something about the Gang of 14's filibuster compromise, Owen's and Bolton's nomination. No matter what it seems on the face of things, 1) it was the best compromise a super minority party could get and still make noise. The "noise" on Owens and Bolton has reached mainstream, as well as the compromise. Whatever mundane comes out of it, the real accomplishment is shaking the mystique off the shoes of the far Right and George Bush. Did you ever see a house slide down the mountain? It doesn't go all of a sudden, water keeps eroding away the earth until the house becomes so unstable it can no longer cling to the mountain and then is slowly slides down as if in slow motion and there is nothing big enough or strong enough to stabilize it. That's what is going on here, erosion.

Every little victory, no matter how small it seems, contributes to the erosion of their house. Following the big noise the White House made regarding Newsweek, the FBI report this week, made the front page of every newspaper and on the mainstream media. James Dobson and Frist seemingly angry over the "compromise," whether they were or not doesn't make a difference, but the perception does, Senator Spector threatening to veto Bush's stem cell veto, Vinovitch on Bolton: all of it amounts to erosion, softening up the stability of the house until it slowly slides away. Don't get too focused emotionally on the seeming losses, focus on the bigger picture.

The good news is the Dems have lost so much and continue to lose so much they are beginning to pay attention to the polls and the message that Congress is out of touch. The Dems (at least some of them) are looking for lifelines, the GOP is still laboring under the bull puckey they tell themselves and that is "the people are behind us, we have political capital" So the GOP nervously ignore the polls, that attitude is just human nature. When we are up (as humans) we believe we will always be there, and when we are down, we scramble looking for a life line. The Dems are scrambling. It might not be too long with rapidly falling ratings that the media starts scrambling.

I called DiFi's office also....nice young man stated that DiFi is opposed to Bolton's confirmation....

from the Moyers article (I just read it)...he said the same thing as I did upthread about the similarities between this george and King George III....BLOG | Posted 05/23/2005 @ 10:58am
.......he practiced the craft of journalism as the authors of the "freedom of the press" protection in the Bill of Rights intended -- without fear or favor, unbought and unbossed, and in the service of the public interest rather than the private demands of the economically and politically powerful. Such trangressions are punished as severely in George W. Bush's America as they were in the America that was ruled by another, equally regal George 230 years ago. And just as King George III had henchmen who attacked the rebels against his rule, so the contemporary King George has his Tories. Chief among them is Limbaugh, the bombastic radio personality whose microphone is always at the ready for a denunciation of those who dare suggest that the emperor has no clothes.

Yes, the structure supporting the house is eroding, Sally, the one built on a pack of lies and inuendos. And as it does, the truth is being revealed. Of course, truth is a many faceted thing and there are many half-truths and varying points of view, but there IS a definite line there between between truth and lies.

My intuitive friend said that if the Democrats kept in the light, walking in truth, they would prevail.

With Saggitarians like Reid and Boxer (is she one?), how could we not walk in truth? And with Leos like Galloway (backed by Pisces & Sag in his chart), how could the truth continue to be squealched? As I remember, Richard Clarke is a Scorpio, Dean is a Sun Scorpio, Mars Sag, and as for Bill Moyers, whatever his natal chart, it works just fine!!!! These people are either the reincarnations of the original founding mothers/fathers, or are being guided by them :-)

I agree with you that compromise is a necessary tool to get there. We cannot afford to give away too much but we also cannot afford to polorize further into black & white. We are now appealing to the common sense of the populace.

And, of course, the rebellion by the press that you predicted...that seems to be moving forward, with Moyers as a catalyst. I cannot wait until the sh** hits the B***

Barbara Boxer is a Scorpio (Nov. 11, 1940) Sun and Mercury at 19 degress Scorpio, Jupiter/Saturn/Uranus in Taurus, Moon in Aries, Venus at 12 Libra and Mars at 24 Libra. She's going to have a tough week next week, I expect she's exhausted and has been taking some heavy heat. End of next week starts getting better for her and Jupiter turning direct going back over her Venus and Mars will improve things, as well as Uranus sextile her Jupiter and Saturn

I just found Warren Beatty's keynote speech (he got long standing ovations):
A Schwarzenegger Republican
Warren Beatty
May 24, 2005

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050524/a_schwarzenegger_republican.php

The following is an excerpt from the keynote address delivered by actor/director Warren Beatty at the graduation ceremony for UC Berkeley's Goldman School of Public Policy. Beatty is a member of the board of directors of the Campaign for America's Future, TomPaine.com's parent organization.

Sally, I am calling boxer's office in DC to lend support to her stances....

Tried to Call Boxer's office in DC...phone line busy....just an hour until the vote on Bolton....most likely it is crazy there....

Hey! This just showed up on Raw Story!!!!!
http://rawstory.com/exclusives/alexandrovna/memo_bush_impeachable_offenses_526THE MEMORANDUM
The memo: Boston constitutional lawyer seeks Resolution of Inquiry on Iraq

RAW STORY

MEMORANDUM
To: Rep. John Conyers, Jr.
From: John C. Bonifaz
Date: May 22, 2005
RE: The President’s Impeachable Offenses

The recent release of the Downing Street Memo provides new and compelling evidence that the President of the United States has been actively engaged in a conspiracy to deceive and mislead the United States Congress and the American people about the basis for going to war against Iraq. If true, such conduct constitutes a High Crime under Article II, Section 4 of the United States Constitution: “The President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.”

Obama still lurching centerwards....
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Dems balk on Bolton
By Alexander Bolton
Senate Democrats are holding up John Bolton’s nomination as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations to protest the Bush administration’s refusal to answer their demands for sensitive information, threatening to erode the spirit of bipartisanship that has suffused the upper chamber in the wake of an agreement on judicial nominees.
Full Article
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'Now can we legislate?' senators ask
By Geoff Earle
The Senate returned to a status resembling its normal equilibrium yesterday after an emotionally charged week that several senators called historic. Senate leaders stepped back from some of their more heated comments about one another’s motives in the judicial standoff and returned to negotiating on the mechanical details that make the Senate work.
Full Article
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Rubin urges Democrats not to reveal their hand
By Hans Nichols
Former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, the steward of President Clinton’s economic policy, told the House Democratic Caucus yesterday that it needs to continue to “hold firm” in its opposition to President Bush’s effort to reform Social Security and advised the Democrats not to introduce their own plan, according to aides and lawmakers in the meeting.
Full Article
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Obama and CBC split on cloture
By Jackie Kucinich
Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) broke ranks with the rest of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) this week by endorsing the bipartisan deal on judicial nominees aimed at averting the so-called “nuclear option.” Some political observers see Obama’s decision as a move to the center, to the right of where the CBC has traditionally stood.
Full Article http://www.thehill.com/

Good news, ladies and gentlemen, the Bolton nomination vote has been delayed!!!

The vote was 56-43 against going ahead to vote for Bolton, 4 votes short of what these dimwitted Republican jackasses wanted.

A victory for the Democrats is a victory for the American people!!!

Looks like they won't be voting on Bolton until early June. I wonder how that changes the astrological picture for this?

The Dems are Filibustering.

I'm sure this issue was already brought up on this commenrary boards with previous articles.

Coming across Starcats astrology website for Thursday, May 26th, 2005, the author posted this information about the "Downing Street Memo", which may hold the key to impeach (yes, you heard me right.....impeach) President Bush for deciving the Amercian people on false pretense to go to war in Iraq, with the death toll now at 1,643 and rising.

Between May 12th, 2005 to August 2006, according, to astrologer Nancy Waterman from Starlight News have the planetary transits in which Bush can be impeached over this Iraq War.

Here is the article that I am refering to on the Starcats website. I will give you both the website link and the link to the article itself to save you some time looking for the article that I am refering to:

Starcats astrology:
http://starcats.com/toc.html

"Downing Street Memo" article:
http://rawstory.com/exclusives/alexandrovna/memo_bush_impeachable_offenses_526

Read the article and let me know what you think about it.

Garry,

Very, very , very interesting about Frist. He voted no on cloture, so I understand.

I had a strong feeling this would happen with Bolton. This situation is a hook for something bigger. We'll see what happens when Mars gets out of Pisces into Aries.
I still sense the shift Sally does, and a change in direction after the Aries Mercury retrograde and last Aries eclipse.

BTW, as you probably know, Baghdad has gotten so bad that 40,000 troops have been called in.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7983335/site/newsweek/

Last-Minute Letter
A prominent Democrat raises new questions about John Bolton’s past handling of secrets

By Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenball
Newsweek
Updated: 10:36 a.m. ET May 26, 2005

May 25 - As the Senate began floor debate over the nomination of State Department Under Secretary John Bolton to be the American ambassador to the United Nations, an unusual public disagreement broke out between leaders of the Senate Intelligence Committee over Bolton's handling of sensitive intelligence secrets.

Sen. Jay Rockefeller, the Intelligence Committee's vice chairman and a presumed Bolton critic, suggested in a letter to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that Bolton may have mishandled sensitive National Security Agency material. But Intelligence Committee chairman Sen. Pat Roberts insisted that Bolton's actions were totally proper and legitimate and that one of Bolton's most vehement public critics may have been responsible for improper State Department handling of NSA information.

Rules and procedures governing  NSA, which runs a worldwide network of electronic eavesdropping stations and also breaks foreign governments' secret codes, require that the agency avoid deliberately monitoring the communications of American citizens. But in its routine monitoring of millions of international messages—telephone calls, faxes, e-mails, radio transmissions—American names are often inadvertently picked up. In that event, the NSA routinely masks the American names before forwarding the intercepts to intelligence "consumers" in other agencies. However, officials in other agencies who receive the intercepts can ask the NSA to "un-minimize" the names of Americans mentioned if such officials certify to the NSA—in writing—that they need the American names  in order to "understand the foreign intelligence."

During Bolton’s testimony before the Foreign Relations Committee several weeks ago, Sen. Chris Dodd, the Connecticut Democrat who is one of Bolton's fiercest congressional critics, caused a minor sensation when he asked Bolton whether he had ever asked the NSA to supply the names of American officials mentioned in intelligence intercepts. Bolton told the committee he did so on a couple of occasions.

Later, the State Department sent Dodd a letter disclosing that Bolton had in recent years requested that the NSA unmask American names in 10 raw-intercept reports. The State Department as a whole had requested similar information from the NSA nearly 500 times since May 2001. In this context, Bolton supporters argued, Bolton's 10 requests for unedited NSA intercepts were statistically insignificant.

Bolton's Democratic critics on the Foreign Relations Committee nonetheless continued to press the administration for further details on Bolton's dealings with the NSA. One committee member, Sen. Barbara Boxer, a California Democrat, placed an informal "hold" on floor debate on Bolton's nomination until the administration provided more information.

In an apparent response to congressional pressure, Gen. Michael Hayden, NSA's outgoing director, who is now  principal deputy to John Negroponte, the administration's new intelligence czar, subsequently gave a top-secret briefing to Rockefeller and the Intelligence Committee's GOP chairman, Kansas Sen. Pat Roberts, about Bolton's dealings with the NSA. In this briefing, according to Rockefeller's letter to the Foreign Relations Committee, Hayden allowed Rockefeller and Roberts to review the NSA intercept reports at the center of the Bolton controversy. However, according to Rockefeller, Hayden did not share with Rockefeller and Roberts the names of the Americans that the NSA had provided to Bolton. In all, Rockefeller said, Bolton's requests for 10 uncensored NSA reports would have involved the unmasking of the identities of "nineteen U.S. persons."

In his letter, Rockefeller said that based on the briefing he had received from General Hayden, he found "no evidence" that there was anything "improper" about how or why Bolton made his 10 requests for the NSA reports in which American names were uncensored. However, Rockefeller said that he was "troubled" by how Bolton had handled the uncensored NSA information after receiving it.

According to Rockefeller, in an interview with Intelligence Committee officials, Bolton's acting chief of staff, CIA analyst Frederick Fleitz, said that on at least one occasion Bolton allegedly shared the "unminimized identity information he received from the NSA" with another State Department official. Fleitz told the committee that Bolton "used the information he was provided ... in order to seek out the State Department official mentioned in the report to congratulate him." According to a congressional investigator working with Bolton critics, the substance of the NSA intercept report included a discussion between two foreigners who were discussing how an American official—presumably the one Bolton congratulated—had given them a hard time.

In his letter to the Foreign Relations Committee, Rockefeller indicated that he believes Bolton's use of the uncensored NSA information to congratulate a State Department official was "not in keeping" with Bolton's declaration to the NSA that he only wanted the censored information so he could better understand the meaning of the original intelligence report. Two congressional officials involved in Senate investigations of Bolton said that the underlying argument now being made by Bolton's critics was that if he was willing to ignore NSA rules and use uncensored NSA intercept information on Americans to congratulate someone, he might be equally willing to use similar top-secret information to undermine the work of a bureaucratic rival.

In support of Bolton's nomination, Intelligence Committee Chairman Roberts also sent a letter to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee declaring that there was nothing irregular in Bolton's requests for uncensored NSA intercepts.  Roberts said that his investigation indicated that Bolton had only discussed the uncensored NSA information with "one other individual”—the American named in the NSA report—who was a person who "worked directly for Under Secretary Bolton, possessed the necessary security clearances, received and read the same intelligence report in the course of his duties, and understood that he was the 'U.S. person' referred to therein."

Moreover, Roberts's letter suggests that any misunderstandings about how Bolton handled the NSA information—and about whether he should have requested prior NSA permission before discussing it with his colleague—were the product of lax State Department procedures. According to Roberts, the State Department's intelligence bureau, which processed Bolton's requests for NSA data, did not normally supply people like Bolton with NSA memoranda specifying how the data should be handled. In fact, Roberts said, even though it was Bolton who requested one key uncensored NSA intercept, the State Department's intelligence office actually turned the document over to someone in Bolton's office, which was a technical violation of NSA rules. Roberts blamed the State Department’s alleged procedural failings on Carl Ford, a former head of State Department intelligence. (Coincidentally or not, Ford was the only witness to give scathingly critical testimony against Bolton at his public confirmation hearing.) Roberts concluded that he could find "no evidence that there was anything improper about any aspect of Mr. Bolton's requests [from NSA] for minimized identities of U.S. persons." Bolton's office had no comment.

On Wednesday, the Senate opened floor debate on the Bolton nomination. But two Bolton critics on the Foreign Relations Committee, Senator Dodd and ranking Democrat Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware, announced that unless the administration turned over additional information about the uncensored NSA intercepts to the committee, they might insist that the Senate hold a cloture vote, which would require 60 senators to approve a motion to halt debate, before calling a final vote on Bolton's confirmation. Several Senate Democratic aides said that they believed that Senate Republicans would have trouble finding 60 votes to cut off debate on Bolton's nomination if the administration failed to turn over additional information.

Democratic congressional sources said that Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist had indicated that he was pressing the administration for more information about Bolton's dealings with the NSA. If Bolton's nomination does not clear the Senate this week, the earliest a final vote could be held on his nomination would be after a weeklong Memorial Day recess.

Economic crisis on the horizon?

http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/2005/0519b.html

We won one! Now, MSNBC wants you to make a prediction (Iknow, I know, but it is a way to record your hopes).

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7997379/#survey

Gotta go find out how DiFi voted.

Viva solidarity!

She voted No shy.

Just returned to post that news, Pat C. Many thanks. I guess all those phone calls and emails (but probably mainly arm-twisting by other Sens) changed her mind. Whew! You never know about DiFi.

Just posted at 7:50
http://www.americablog.org/
Ohio Attorney General is moving in big time. Cap'n Sally, you were right on the money (sorry about the pun).

Someone pour the drinks.

I feel like a game of dominoes.

First: Bill Moyers Data:

Billy Don Moyers was born June 5, 1934, in Hugo, Oklahoma

Saturn to Bolton's Venus, no one likes him right now. The thing is, the Democrats held the Bolton thing up twice in committee as long as they could, then Barbara Boxer placed a rarely used "hold" on the vote, then Biden and Dobbs have been running around the last two days trying to get enough votes to stop the voting today. The Dems know something or think they know something and are desperately waiting or trying to get the information. The "vote vs Bolton" Full Moon today (from transiting Moon to his Moon) could mean he doesn't get another opportunity, that his nomination will be withdrawn, particularly if Bush comes to the realization that they can't keep the papers the Dems want from them. There is something in there not only about Bolton but the WMD's (or lies about the WMD's and Iraq.)

First, Boxer stood alone with the Black Caucus over the Restolection results. Then, 13 of them stood together (sorry, can't remember for what now, we've seen so many atrocious things/"people" brought before the Senate), and now they were able to block the cloture vote on Bestial Bolton. Yep, growing that new spine, watching Sis take those first few steps and not fall down, then . . . Oh, I hope they keep going!

"Bestal Bolton" I like it

"Bestial Bolton" That's better lol

Another couple of h-u-g-e ones just hit over at DU! You must go check out the entire thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1811545

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4668955

Judge Rules DeLay PAC Broke Texas Law

Bill Moyers birthday is June 5 .and Jupiter goes direct on his birthday...even more way cool than just being a Gemini.
Any OK people here? Ever wonder why all the names of towns are men's names? must have been the guys in the covered wagons founding towns in some of the most godforsaken territory in the US. (My dad was born in Thomas, OK)....thanks for that info, Carol...

and I believe that Pat C. posted the article on the day by day events in gov. after 9/11 a way back which mentioned that Bolton was having high meetings in Usbekistan in late 2001(how do you SPELL IT?) about arms deals.....sort of funny now that there have been riots there....and protestors shot with arms issued to their government by us US.

So what happens Sally, Nancy, others, when Jupiter does go direct? Will the walls accelerate the decline...?

this is a weird 'noticing' but after being an avid SF Giants fan, I stopped watching until last night when all of a sudden it was 'ok' somehow to watch. And it turned out to be the winning streak had started 4 games before...and last night was a huge break out. And I said....this bodes well for our side....we are reading the omens and the signs, whatever we can get!
from a friend in MI, concerning what happens to unpopular stuff with the voters:
It looks to me like Ar-NOLD, is in deep do-do.....................he is learning that there are more WORKING CLASS PEOPLE THAN RICH PEOPLE..............with the Teachers, Nurse's and State Employee's protesting against him...........and making CNN, MAYBE HE WILL LEARN HIS LESSONS....

Actually he is doing what our EX-Republican Governor did...............his goal was to take single Moms off welfare, break the teachers union..........and privatize everything.............and it worked........WE VOTED HIM OUT......................AND HE EVEN MOVED OUT OF STATE..................GOOD RIDDANCE.......

Sally....good follow up article from the OHIO smut pit (although Voinovich is redeeming himself).....pretty soon there has to be a bumper sticker:

REPUBS=FRAUD

shylurker!
Wow....that is huge, the DU post from the ACLU....OMG....kicking into high gear now.

I looked up Billy Moyers's planets. He is a 13 degree Gemini trine a 13 degree Libra Jupiter (Jupiter return coming right up) trine a 13 degree Aquarius n. node, with Pluto at 23 Cancer and Moon in 19 Pisces. I didn't do the chart at astrodienst, I just looked up the planets on the emphemeris http://www.achernar.btinternet.co.uk/transeph1934.htmlat.

I hope this means he has an even more important role to play in the reform movement.

Raj, I scanned that article on the economy but couldn't get the gist of it. Could you tell me what he is saying regarding where to put our money?

Could someone explain cloture to me and what happened with Bolton and what it means to vote yes or no for cloture?

Shy...there are 2 more posts of interest on this 'smoking gun' from Gitmo...http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1502372
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1502372#1503484

Sharon, I don't understand cloture either, thanks for asking....and boy, Moyers is a gem of a gemini. Jupiter is going direct in Libra, right into a trine when it goes direct on his birthday....and notice the Pluto at 23 cancer....right on bu**'s Saturn ....along with that Aquarian node (Neptune just went over it)....oh I think he has a big role to play in this...the conscious of America. (I understand that he has prostate cancer...can anyone else confirm?)

So ...Sharon I went to Ask Jeeves (which will no longer have that name now that Barry Diller has bought it) and :

Cloture

The cloture rule–Rule 22–is the only formal procedure that Senate rules provide for breaking a filibuster. A filibuster is an attempt to block or delay Senate action on a bill or other matter. Under cloture, the Senate may limit consideration of a pending matter to 30 additional hours of debate.

Teg...I was worried about 'bestal Bolton' because it sounded like vestal Virgin...lol.

bestial bolton he remains...scary dude.

Thanks, Judi, for checking it out. So if cloture is the process that limits fillibuster to 30 hours, why did Frist vote against it in regard to Bolton? And what does any of this have to do with fillibuster since they are waiting on information not blocking the nomination (yet)?

Here's a good one...

Delay Slams NBC Over Criminal Intent

By John Eggerton -- Broadcasting & Cable, 5/26/2005 6:50:00 PM

House Majority leader Tom Delay fired off a letter to NBC Universal Television Group President Jeffrey Zucker Thursday calling "a failure of stewardship of our public airwaves," and a "brazen lack of judgment" a shot taken at him during NBC's Law & Order: Criminal Intent finale May 25.

According to a transcript exerpt supplied B&C by Delay's office, the show's finale features a white supremacist who kills a judge's family, and the killing of an appellate judge. As the detectives hunt for the judge killer, one says: "Maybe we should put out an APB for somebody in a Tom DeLay T-Shirt."

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA604213.html?...

Have you noticed that in addition to the saving of the fillibuster and the Bolton nomination delay, there have been a few rulings by judges lately against the B Admin & the Rethugs? Think these judges are trying to get their rulings in before the courts are packed with right-wingers,(hich should take a while)?

Sally, thanks for the thought-provoking article.

In your article, you mention the vast changes that are taking place in the US today ("too many things are happening to make the vast sea of Middle America comfortable).

Because of the administration we are stuck with, our society is changing very quickly. It's hard to keep up. Our social "safety nets" are being dismantled so quickly, that people won't realize what's happened until it's too late.

When will Americans decide they've had enough? This is the question that's being asked every day on the DU.

Think of how outrageous this administration has been. They've slapped Americans across the face, lied to them each and every day, kicked them in the groin, peed on them, and still......nothing.

I believe Americans are still too comfortable to stand up and take their country back.

Example: my boss is a die-hard Rat-publican. We've had many fights about Bush. Just recently, though, he's conceded that there's something seriously wrong with his beloved party. He vaguely senses there's something really wrong with this country as well, but he's not troubled enough to dig REALLY deep, like I have.

After all, his house keeps going up in value. He brags about it all the time. He and his wife make about $120,000 per year. He's close to retirement, and he's got 4 pensions that he's counting on to really live like a king in his retirement.

Is he really concerned? Answer = no.

Now think back to the VietNam days. This country was reeling. There were riots, LA was seething, kids were getting shot at college campuses, and Americans demanded that we get out of VietNam. I had just arrived in this country as a young immigrant, and I couldn't believe the mess.

Why don't people act like that now? I believe it's because we're still too comfortable. We are much better of now than 30 years ago; we've got a lot more stuff, bigger cars, bigger debts, and so on.

I believe things will start to change when Americans finally stand up and take their country back. They are capable of it; they've done it before.

I believe the driving force must be the middle class. The upper echelon will not demand change; their numbers are too small. The poor people are limited by their poverty; it's hard to fight Washington when you're hungry.

But the middle class DOES have the fortitude and strength to demand change......when they are ready.

This is getting good -

From a DU post -

"I don't care if Dick Wolf is a republican-his comment made my day"

Edited on Fri May-27-05 05:26 AM by chimpsrsmarter
"Producer Dick Wolf, creator of the "Law & Order" franchise, took a swipe at DeLay in his own statement on Thursday, saying, "I ... congratulate Congressman DeLay for switching the spotlight from his own problems to an episode of a TV show."
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050527/tv...

Judi, I will get to "direct" Jupiter later, I just want to answer some of the other questions first.

The reason Frist voted against cloture is he knew he didn't have enough votes to force cloture and as majority leader one of the rules regarding this type of vote is the majority leader must cast a vote on the winning side in order to bring the vote up again down the road. If he had voted "for" cloture, he could not have brought it to a vote in a week or so.

Cliss, I have asked myself those very questions many times. I look at other countries and the horrible dictators and conditions they live in and yet the "people" don't rise up in massive numbers and they must be truly desperate to rise at all. Look at Africa, Haiti, Iraq, Cuba, look at what has happened in Uzbekistan, and for them to rise at all they must have a leader and few wish to take that role as it places them in the "death" position. When it falls, and it will fall, not everyone will have seen the problems or will be happy about the balance of power shifting.

We focus on our individual lives and then our family, friends, communities and to a lesser extent our country. While this seems to be about our country it's really a world wide issue and will continue to be so for several years. Every country is in some kind of turmoil as the balance of power begins her shift. Other countries will become more important than they seem now, other ways of doing "business" so to speak.

The world is so much smaller than it was when I was a child or young adult now international travel is routine, our grandchildren or great grandchildren may be making routine trips to a space station on the Moon, who knows. Voltair said "never fear chaos because out of chaos a new and better way is born." well we are in chaos and most of us don't know what to do, if we see it at all. If your boss has not had to experience the destruction (he still has health insurance and can still send his kids to school, still has a nice house and can afford two cars) he has no reason to look at the mess we are in and seemingly little desire. But there are organizations and people and think tanks right now who are trying to be a part of building a better way than what we are leaving, and I have faith they will be able to do just that.

The "big three" Uranus, Neptune and Pluto have been in Universal signs since the early 90's (Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius and Pisces) and we are concerned about 'Universal' issues, when Uranus moves into Aries the landscape so to speak will once again change dramatically.

Jupiter is going direct in June, for those affected, their situations will improve somewhat, promises that have been delayed will begin to be resolved. When Jupiter goes into Scorpio in the fall, it will begin its square to Saturn and Jupiter and Saturn have not squared in a fixed sign for decades (bursting housing bubble?) Jupiter direct in this country bodes too much of a good thing and will create more chaos. For GWB, he will move agressively forward toward his misdirected goals, his Saturn return will offer some knee bending humility, but when Saturn goes into Leo and crosses his Asc. the hammer once again comes down. GWB is still in a great deal of danger at least until August. He gets a little break and then right back into a dangerous time.

We are not finished with this spring or summer and this week is just a warm-up for the next several weeks for the GOP, Christian Right and the rest of the country. We all want to be "safe' and we haven't been "safe" since we arrived on the planet, we've only had periods of time where we were able to hang onto the Neptune Illusion of safety, even those who are rich and powerful only have that illusion. Fear becomes our constant companion and that fear drives people to do different things to exorcize that fear, but it never will be exorcized without trust and faith in something, true faith, not the fear based faith organized religions seem to love.

This spring and summer will bring us some amazing things. I am wondering how many of us have had drastic changes to our lives in the last 5 years. I have less money but I never did have very much, no health insurance, an older car but I'm still ok except my fear and anxiety level is higher.

That's really what has changed for me, I fear the rise of fascisism, greed, hatred, poverty and war. All that I am seeing all that I was afraid in 2000 has happened, and I won't even look too far ahead anymore. But I've also found a deeper faith in love and my community, my friends and family, and have been working on making myself secure inside because that's all the true security we will ever have.

Jupiter turning direct will benefit * a bit, and the fear that grips him might loosen a bit, at least until Jupiter passes his Jupiter, but I don't think Jupiter square his Sun and conj his Moon will do anything but create hubris, and with Neptune in a trine to his Libra, his mesianic tone will return and that's what we need to "fear" the most from him.

This is a wonderful link, very moving. It's a video put together by Ohio election fraud/voting rights activists. It's the best explanation I've seen, visually, of the need to be vigilant. It's almost, it a spiritual statement. Please take a look and feel free to share wide and far. It is worth seeing and remembering.

http://www.velvetrevolution.us/#020505

Peace out!

Thank you , Sally for that cloture explanation. I love knowledgeable people.

I also love what you said about the only true security we will ever have being inside ourselves. As Saturn finishes its transit of Cancer, I think this lesson is being brought home.

Cliss,
I am doing a rant, but not aimed at you personally............just giving another perspective from another time and space!

Now think back to the VietNam days. This country was reeling. There were riots, LA was seething, kids were getting shot at college campuses, and Americans demanded that we get out of VietNam. I had just arrived in this country as a young immigrant, and I couldn't believe the mess.

Why don't people act like that now? I believe it's because we're still too comfortable. We are much better of now than 30 years ago; we've got a lot more stuff, bigger cars, bigger debts, and so on.
I have to play "devils advocate to your statement. I started out in the upper middle class, stayed level for 40 years and have been slipping badly for 2 decades! Growing up, everybody was comfortable to a degree. ( except the blacks!) Most people owned a small business or worked in MANUFACTURING belonging to UNIONS! The 70's brought improvments to the civil rights situation
There were no homeless people!!!!!!!!!! Until Reagan! Then all of a sudden there were all these people sleeping under the overpass at the bridge plaza in Philadelphia, going window to window to beg money from the cars waiting for the light to change.
I think it is a matter of Integrity not comfort! There is a large group lacking it, who (my theory) decided that getting shot at wasn't fun and decided to do a hostile takeover economically, (collective unconscious/group think.) After 12 years of Reagonomics, it manifested as a takeover during Poppy's recession in 1990.
My peer group was replaced ( forcibly in a lot of cases) by Your peer group ( if I may guestimate that you were teens into 20's during the 70's.) All of a sudden the CEO's were 40 rather than 60 as they had been! That I believe was the beginning of the Corporate takeover, which now rules our lives and takes up our time, in the name of efficiency ( for the Corporation of course!) That leaves a lot of us older people swinging in the breeze out here in the rural areas where living is a little cheaper! ( According to statisticians we are all supposed to die at 65 anyhow!) Sorry........everybody in my family has lived into their 80's and 90's!
I began to realize this theory on a month long road trip from Maine to Portland OR. to visit my Mother, in 1992.
Down the Blueridge across the lower states on RT 20 and 10, to CA and up Rt 5 to OR. I observed A. that the food was better in the older population rural areas than say in Dallas or Phoenix. And B.I heard a lot of stories of the displacement!
Return trip was across the top ( April) on RT 90.
This was the genesis of the corporate sweep I believe!
And on this subject......Sally,
Do you know C Topsal, whose paintings are advertised in the upper right corner of the home page today? She is in Col. Springs. I liked the one and went to look. Was appalled to see them for sale on e-bay starting at $55.00!!! Norman Rockwell probably got double that 65 years ago for each of his Post Cover paintings!
The frame on it is about $65.00 to purchase, oil paint is 20 -30 a small tube! Even at the auction price ( up to $93.00 ) it doesn't cover the cost of the raw materials to paint it! That means the WORK is free! Who is buying her food?, paying her lite bill, insurances, taxes etc. to allow her to paint? If she has a "day job" she should still price her paintings at a professional level out of respect for the rest of us. That's what I mean by Integrity! Now people just looking out for themselves...........no community thought. ( Of course unless you have a physical illness off the A list! ) MSM very largely to blame!
PQ

The Stink from Ohio grows stronger... (be glad you don't live here!)

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBU3VYM79E.html

Ohio Officials Now Believe More Than $10 Million in Rare Coins Is Missing

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - A scandal over Ohio's investment in rare coins deepened Thursday as authorities learned that more than $10 million in coins may now be missing. The state said it would prosecute and sue the fund's former manager.
Authorities originally had suspected that coins worth an estimated $400,000 had vanished, but an attorney for the fund manager told inspectors that $10 million to $12 million is missing, the state attorney general's office said.

That is about 20 percent of the $55 million investment by the Bureau of Workers' Compensation, which got into rare coins in the late 1990s as a way to hedge its investments in stocks and bonds.

"Such criminal action is outrageous and will not be tolerated," Gov. Bob Taft said in a news release. "We will pursue all legal avenues possible to recover these funds for injured workers and employers."

The focus of the investigation is Tom Noe, a private coin dealer and Republican donor who led the coin investment. Democrats have alleged that Noe was awarded the state's business in return for campaign contributions to Republicans, who control most of state government.

Defense Department Personnel Impersonated State Department Officials in Guantánamo Interrogations, FBI Documents Show

May 26, 2005
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: media@aclu.org

Defense Department And CIA Are Unlawfully Withholding Photographs and Documents Concerning Torture Of Prisoners, ACLU Argues in Court Today

NEW YORK -- Documents released by the FBI state that Defense Department personnel impersonated State Department officials in interrogations at Guantánamo Bay, the American Civil Liberties Union said today.

"Defense Department interrogators, possibly on instructions from high-level officials, went to great lengths to avoid being held accountable for the use of unlawful interrogation methods," said Jameel Jaffer, a staff attorney with the ACLU. "Apparently Defense Department personnel were willing to use torture but they wanted others to be held responsible for it."

In December 2004, the FBI released documents stating that Defense Department interrogators impersonated FBI agents in order to avoid being held responsible for the use of "torture techniques." The new documents provide the first indication that Defense Department interrogators impersonated State Department officials as well.

MORE

http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=18336&c=206

Who does Taft think he is kidding? He's tolerated virtually everything else during his reign of ineptitude as Governor. He thinks Ohioans will believe him now when he says that he won't tolerate yet one more blow to the state.

Good luck holding onto that 19% approval rating. Even the Republicans here are tired of him. Unfortunately, the Ohio Constitution offers no clause for recall of a sitting Governor (as opposed to say, California).

Anyone willing to offer a perspective on his chart?

Robert Taft
January 8, 1942
New Haven, Connecticut
Sorry, I couldn't find a birth time.

Wonderful informative posts here! The art and the artist are just great!!

Amnisty Interenational on C-Span now, calling for investigation of the Bush administration.

Something to think about this holiday weekend...

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Tom DeLay has his knickers in a twist...

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/index.asp?layout=articlePrint&articleID=CA604213

this link is in honor of wv. it's just perfect. arnold treating the state like an erzats potemkin village:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/05/27/GOVERNOR.TMP&type=printable

Mike -- thanks for the Velvet Revolution video link. Nothing I didn't sense, but VERY disturbing viewing it. I e-mailed it to several people, some of whom are sure to not appreciate it. I think. Ah well. Great Stalin quote in there. A new e-mail signature, methinks!

Mike,Lori....WHAT Velvet Underground video....I want it !!! Wahhhhh! missed that post...but read about Ahnold digging pot holes in San Jose...everything's just a movie to him....

judi, here you go. http://www.velvetrevolution.us/#020505

It's just upthread.

Neobuckeye: I would say that Taft has a heap of trouble on his hands. Saturn will soon set up a stressful T-square to his Mars and Mercury. If you remember or saw it, I've been harping on the late degree cardinal signs and how strange it was to have so many of the neo-con or conservative people with late degree Cardinal and Saturn was coming around to extract his Karmic due (if you haven't been living up to the Saturn standards)

True to Saturn form, everyone with those late degree Cardinal are having problems. Schwarzenegger, Rumsfeld, Bolton, Frist, Delay, Bush and a ton more. I am waiting for Condi to come under fire soon. Saturn absolutely puts a spotlight on what you've been doing (if it's illegal) and what you should have done (if it's been slipshod) Many of these people also have early degree fixed signs and Saturn goes right on to Leo late summer. Saturn is the "father" of the zodiac and if you've been out too late, he is there waiting for you and will ground you and take privileges away.

Mike

Thanks for that, I knew he wouldn't go to San Francisco, because they don't start ripping up
the streets there until early November, to make
sure that downtown is always a mess during the
holiday season. In fact it wasn't 'til the late
'70s or early '80s that they past a law making
the gas, water and phone company coordinate their
digging schedules. Before that it was utter chaos.
But they haven't given up their holiday digging.
When I moved to SF in 1955 they were working on the Airport - and they haven't missed a day in the
last 50 years....they are still working on it. I
have told friends that I'll move back when the
airport is complete. I don't expect to do it in this lifetime.

that should be "passed" a law.

more Mandeville...

http://www.michaelmandeville.com/earthmonitor/ecbulletins/2005/ecb_May_25_05.htm

http://www.thenation.com/covers/alfredw/

Posters, t shirts, etc....

Pat C.. ...thanks...somehow missed it...(not surprising tho)....Sally, thanks for those TERRIFIC posts, and thanks for mentioning my earlier concern, which was being out of integrity with Saturn transits and the results .... I think it is an important part of the equation (having lived that lesson aspect my entire life, it is important to me).

And I have to withdraw my earlier Rethugs=Fraud.... just read about the sting in TN (dubbed the "Tennessee Waltz") which took in the brother of Harold Ford,( a Dem Congressman who is pretty conservative), John Ford and several others....4 Dems and a Repub. John Ford apparently told the undercover sting team that he was the "go to guy" to get things done....duhhhhhh. Just as many out of integrity Dems, I guess...maybe not so many in prominent places right now!

That's a DeLay moment, alright.

Again, Sally, thanks for sharing all the info, and thanks PatQ for the rant....and Cliss contributed also; sometimes I want to not remember the 60's (for me, in LA) because of the pain involved .... it was like confronting a wall of emotional blackness.....looks like now the comfort level of Americans narcoticized into sleep (or just narcoticized for real) needs some kind of spark to awaken. Time to go back and look at the dates; killing of MLK, RFK, Kent State, Watts Riots (and subsequent ones), Chicago Dem conv. in 1968....and all the Civil rights conflagrations.....I'll bet there aren't similar aspects now....or else the progression is to a different level. Is it possible it just isn't time yet to break out? If so, when will that come? Or is it that the country is divided in a different way now, and that civil rights don't count as an issue, the issues having been framed as religious ones by fundies? All that squeaky wheel stuff....getting the most attention.

WV....I came to SF in 1955 also! So did two of my oldest friends....one from Canada, one from MN, and me, from Hawaii....what was going on then???? wow....

The Streets of San Francisco used to be a crime show on tv...now it is a crime in the streets....potholes and lots of shootings....potholes on parade....and gangs doing the rest.

What is really going on in the Senate

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/05/05/con05188.html

Just a little more shopping or craft ideas

http://www.cafepress.com/tomsworld/249836

Good advice from Arianna

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Looking at Mike's film "The Velvet Underground"
I have come to the conclusion that we have to get
us out of this mess by ourselves. ONLY the Congressional Black Women, Barbara Boxer and Dennis Kuchinich have any testicles. The Demo
Senators are a pathetic lot. The Repugs "Scum"...
I note in the TV listings they are going to explain this weekend how John McCain became a hero. I'll be looking forward to that...doesn't take much anymore.

Give me a Black Congresswoman anytime to the rest
of the idiots that are supposedly serving us (US).
And bless the voters in their districts that have
the sense to elect them time and time again.

Hear that Ted Koppel is going to read the names
of the 900 kids that have died since last Memorial
Day, when he took a lot of crap from the "Patriots" because he reminded them that war
is an ugly business and ignoring the dead and wounded doesn't make it less so. Notice that the
Korean "Police Action", in which I served, and
"World War II" were the last to get memorials on
the Mall?

I wonder what all of these Republicans leading the
country right now - who avoided the military like a
plague - think about on Memorial Day Weekend. Are
they thinking how lucky they were for not putting their asses on the line. Or are they thinking about all those who have died to protect their
supersillous souls so they could destroy America.

SUPER DUPER FIORE at it again - this time on NEWSWEEK FAULTLINE

http://www.markfiore.com/animation/why01.html

Judy Gem, don't forget Jackson State.

Jonathan

Good News for you and Hillary...

Majority say they would vote for Hillary...
33% of Conservatives...good Lord I am out of
touch but then I have always marched to a
different drummer. And 2008 is a 12 year -
usually the person with the double initial wins.

Forgive me, I am so thrown by the news I forgot
to put in the connection to story...

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Isn't here and everywhere else,everyone is totally and completely fed up with these junky cons and repugs milking and milking and milking 9/11 for all it is worth even after 3 and a half years like that dimwit shrub milking it today in a speech to army or some defence oragnization cadets' graduation ceremony or some CRAP;dumbwit doesn't know there is no more MILK to MILK from 9/11! All the milk left has already been milked by
all the cons for all its worth. Now cons get another TOPIC to talk about during graduation speeches.

For all of you free-thinking artists out there...
Big Brother is watching you!

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Regarding the idea that people ought to be in the streets protesting, if not rioting, but are too comfortable to be bothered right now...

I'm not convinced "comfort" is the problem. A lot of people, saturated with the MSM idea that EVERYONE (but you!) is a fundamentalist, right wing Christian; hearing only or mostly that these people have VALUES, dammit, and you don't, etc., are very disheartened and feel there's no point in speaking to anyone about the corruption running wild -- with the exception of perhaps one other person who agrees with their "alternative" point of view. Then, there are the VERY FEW who financially benefit from the present situation; there are the people who really ARE fundies and are brainwashed to believe they're right and the right's right and all's right with the world (if not for that damn liberal press out there, and all us heathens, but there are more of them, you know); then there are the people who are either in debt, like Cliss said, hanging on for dear life, if even...they could lose EVERYTHING they have (which for lots of them is probably not much at all) in a NEW YORK MINUTE. The rest of us are living pay check to pay check and hoping to keep our jobs (if we have one) because SHIT YEAH we want a warm place to sleep and food to eat enough to keep us quiet but for our conversations with friends and some internet blogging.

Finally, regarding internet blogging: it's a great thing, isn't it? we can all sit in the comfort of our own homes learning all kinds of information we'd never otherwise know and we can share it with a bunch of people we've never met through the wonders of weblogs and chatrooms. But each of us is alone in our rooms. All we are is a cyber group.

Anyone ever consider we might shut down the computer and get off our asses and OUT INTO THE STREETS???????

Of course, first we'd have to actually physically meet each other and join together in a large PHYSICAL group. And that's only if we can *afford to not be at work for some time* *afford to possibly lose our jobs* *afford to be arrested and held for what? for how long?* etc etc etc....

Pretty F($#&%* bleak, huh? From where I sit, that's how I see it.

Please forgive the rant. I only mean to point out that US is THEM. WE'RE the ones sitting around doing nothing more than talk talk talk.

Ask not why THEY aren't out there raising holy hell. Ask why YOU aren't.

You never know. You might have a very valid -- or at least reasonable -- answer.

I agree with Lori. We the American people who are angry with President Bush over all his stupid foreign and domestic policies should not keep tolerating this stupidity. If we are so concerned about the way our leader(s) is/are leading our country, then we should do something.

Being a couch potato is not one of them!!!

Get out there and tell your Senator or Representaive in Congress to resist the Christian Right/Fundamentalists, who distort the Christian Religion's wonderful teachings (I'm Hindu by the way) to gain thei rway and extert thier teachings over other religions, who also have a First Amendment right to be practiced in this country.

This country was not only built by white Christains, but by Asian Indians (Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs); Italians, Polish and other Europeans (especially those who were Jewish) Chineese and Koreans (Confuciansism & Taoism), Japaneese (Buddhism), Filipinos and African Americans and others.

Everyone has and is contributing to the welfare of our great nation regardless of what religion, ethnicity or race they are.

Stop Bush and those in both his Administration and in Congress who support the self-centered Christian Fundamentalism who look to enforce thier religious views and values, which are not true to "true" Christian teachings and values, over others, and screw the American people further!!!

http://www.workingforchange.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=1F6F5F10-D55F-F593-77B920E59017611E

How to Play Hardball Politics...and Win

Want to know why progressives outside the Beltway should be feeling emboldened? Check out this story in the Staten Island Advance where GOP Rep. Vito Fossella gets muscled. After a massive grassroots campaign to force Fossella to repudiate the most extreme elements of President Bush's agenda, he publicly caved. The paper reports:

"Yesterday, Fossella came out strongly against Bush's plan for progressive indexing of Social Security benefits as a means of keeping the system solvent. And testifying before the House Ways and Means Committee, he expressed doubt about the president's proposal to let workers divert to private accounts money that ordinarily would go into Social Security."

The paper notes that since January, the In This Together Campaign "has been handing out leaflets at the St. George and Whitehall ferry terminals, writing hundreds of letters to Fossella, holding meetings and putting up signs asking: 'Where's Vito? Defend Social Security.'"

That's the kind of hardball politics unions and organizations like the Working Families Party have mastered in New York - and it should serve as a model for everywhere else.

Sources:
Staten Island Advance story on Fossella: http://www.silive.com/news/advance/index.ssf?/base/news/111719972342330.xml
In This Together Campaign: http://www.inthistogethercampaign.org/
Working Families Party: http://www.workingfamiliesparty.org/
From: David Sirota

Yet another person, Pat C, who is "finally" seeing the relaity of Bush's stupidities and is "smartly" backign away from Bush.

Good post, Pat C!!!

I think posting & sharing information is VERY important as it affects the energy field of the collective mind. Being aware of that intent AND writing to reps AND talking to folks wherever we find ourselves (cafes, stores, waiting for the bus...) AND going to political stategy mtgs etc, AND donating bucks to fave political outlet. There are 100s of things we can be doing every day, are doing, & it's part of our activities of daily living imo. So we/I can go a bit easier on ourselves it seems to me. And it's all having great affect because the landscape is a whole lot different than it was after dyselection 2000... tho not enuf for most of us. ;O)

Neerav Trivedi, we all just need to join up and do it!

Joanna, very wise.

AMEN Pat C!!!

One final OFF-TOPIC comment re my Mother's Day plea for help. Once again, a huge thank-you to you wonderful people at Astroworld, who gave me both support and advice. We gave our son an option/ultimatum - either get a job, live in your car or come home and go into therapy and AA. Amazingly, the next day he managed to find a job, cooking in a local chicken fried steak-style restaurant.

Our ultimatum worked, and so did astrology. He got the job as Saturn moved off his M.C., which is 23 Cancer. He's left with Pluto conjunct his Saturn at 23 Sag; I'm hoping the natal trine will help him here.

One further astrological observation - he has the Moon and Uranus in the 10th, and has variously worked as a cook and a computer consultant.

Thanks, love and light to you all.

That's great news Donna! Congratulations on your own hard work, and for setting yourself free of his disease!

For all you Colorado residance:

Depp arranges shooting of Thompson's ashes

May 27, 2005 | Aspen, Colo. -- Organizers of a memorial for Hunter S. Thompson plan to erect a 150-foot structure - courtesy of actor Johnny Depp - to shoot the gonzo journalist's ashes onto his ranch near here.

Friends and acquaintances gathered Thursday to discuss the Aug. 20 invitation-only service, which will be six months after Thompson shot himself in his Woody Creek home.

Jon Equis, the event producer working with Thompson's family, said the tower will be 12 feet wide at the base and 8 feet wide at the top, where a cannon will be placed.

Depp, who portrayed the author in the movie version of Thompson's book "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" will pay for the tower, designed to resemble Thompson's "gonzo fist" emblem.

As Thompson requested, his ashes will be shot out of the cannon onto his property.

Equis said the tower will be constructed far from Woody Creek Road and covered with a black drape before the service to discourage tourists. A public event is expected to be planned later to commemorate the writer's life.

The August event will consist of "spoken word and live entertainment," Equis said. The cannon will be fired around sunset.

The event organizers must get the plans reviewed by the Pitkin County Community Development Department, but Thompson's widow, Anita Thompson, was supportive. She said the event will be a celebration.

I should add, the spelling is purposeful. ;-)

Lori,

If memory serves, the protests of the 60s/70s were MOSTLY (though certainly not all) against the war in Viet Nam. The protestors were MOSTLY (though certainly not all) young, college age students who didn't want to see themselves or anymore of their peers killed or maimed in a war no one understood. Once the war went away, the anger went away. Those angry protestors cut their hair and moved into the establishment. There was never a movement against a government or an administration which was destroying our democracy because that wasn't 'happenin' then. (or there weren't many seers who told others that was happening.)

Today some folks are awake to the fact that our country is not what we thought it was. People who know that, also know that millions of folks in the streets opposing the invasion of Iraq didn't do a thing to change the fact... but it did put folks in harms way ---

Many finally have decided the war in Iraq was not worth it... BUT very few question the events of 9/11 or even know what a Neocon is, or realize that our Constitution is being shredded, that the president was Selected in 2000, not elected, that Kerry won the election in 2004, and that we will never again have an 'election' unless and until we get rid of the electronic voting machines, or put a paper trail on them.

The Articles of Confederation and most ideas about the movement away from Britain were drafted and discussed in pubs. The internet with its blogs and websites is the equivalent of the City Tavern in Philadelphia... except we have more lurkers online than the pubs could hold... imho. Our words are like the ripples in a pond, created every time one single stone is skipped... Running into the streets will get one shot or locked up in a padded cell, or perhaps, a cot at Gitmo.

Our shot at gathering in large crowds was taken from us --- by the very person who 'won' the election. How could we push for justice when the candidate so quickly gave up the fight? Besides, progressives and democrats left of center don't belong to one group... you can't pick up the phone and say 'hey, we're meeting in Time Square tonight, bring your megaphone!'

"hitting the streets" is a euphemism... best exemplified by one of Sally's articles... imho. Those in power will 'mow down dissent' --- that sort of thing is not what just the Russians do... or only the Germans do. It's what ANY dictatorship does... and that includes the one in the White House.

Change in our government will come only when a majority of the citizenry is willing to stand up to the situation, and that involves putting their lives on the line. Before that can occur, these same folks have to wake up to what's happening. I'm afraid their "comfort level" won't allow that. Meanwhile the rest of us have to be reconciled to working on ourselves and finding peace within while we simultaneously send out good thoughts and energy to the collective.

Light and love to all, Namaste.

Good Lord Mike

Viagra makes you blind. My mother warned me 60
years ago about that problem. My glasses are much
thicker, but blindness....be careful!

should have known viagra makes you blind because
LOVE is BLIND?

I noticed Sally mentioned Bush may be in danger. Methinks our King Bush may be in big doo-doo, and very soon. I have heard this from many sources, here is only one of them:

http://www.earthwalkastrology.com/

Mr Bush, a Tecumseh's Curse president, is living with the Sword of Damocles hanging over his head during this second term, and he experiences the third and final perfection of his second Saturn return on June 18th. Uranus is in stationary opposition to his progressed Sun during June and July, and his progressed Moon in Sagittarius arrives at a square to his natal Mars on July 20th, and to his progressed Sun on August 26th (creating a progressed First Quarter square). These progressed Moon aspects will also serve as triggers, forming a Mutable T-Cross with the violent Uranus oppositions to both his natal Mars and to his progressed Sun. chart It is certainly of note that the last time that Uranus squared the USA Uranus in late October 1963, within a month President Kennedy was assassinated. Uranus is again square to the U.S. Uranus during 2005.

.. .

If this sounds frightfully appalling to you, it does to me, too. Yet, in all of my years of practicing astrology I have not yet found one client who had a progressed stationary Mars who did not experience some act of violence or an injury at the time of the progressed station. I have dozens of cases in my client files that include burns from an explosion, facial or head injuries, rapes, being the victim of an armed robbery, being murdered, or being the victim of domestic violence. It is this writer's belief that the country is heading into troubled waters, not least of which is a sitting president under the rays of Tecumseh's Curse.

Go read it all . . . .

Donna..congrats on your progress, and keep going strong!

hahahah...WV, do you realized that we BOTH called it the Velvet UNDERGROUND? it is the Velvet Revolution...I guess that tells you we like the group the Velvet Underground! (Lou Reed, folks, the great Lou Reed) Mike, did you catch that?

I agree with you Jo. Times are very different from the "sixties" when i was an activist. That model of protest is ineffective now. We the people have little influence with our representatives, they come to us when they need help to get their agenda passed. It's been a very long while since i have seen anything that I believe should be on that agenda.

~Buckminster Fuller: You never change anything by fighting the existing. To change something, build a new model and make the existing obsolete.~

Many of us have came to this conclusion and are quietly doing our part. Quietly because change is not good for the Corporate States of America. And they will stamp it out and use all of your treasure to do so.

It is my personal belief that every creative act of each of us contributes to the new model. This country is filled with very creative people, risk takers. Each of us holds a piece of the new model. I have hope that the internet is a wonderful way to connect the pieces in a more cohesive pattern that eventually becomes recognizable.

It has to be action not just visualization, and it has to not fight with what is but create what can be....a good blend of neptune / saturn??

As always i thank all of you for your wisdom and time that you put into making these remarkable these pages and posts, i learn so much from all of you when i stop by.

Warm thoughts flowing outward
tseka

Okay, I know we all know this, but here it is again:

Census Statistics Indicate Vote Count Was Significantly Off

http://dailykos.com/story/2005/5/27/18502/5421

Where did 3.4 million votes go?

If the census bureau's statistics can be trusted, this is just more evidence that the count was off.

The official tabulation on November 2, was 122.3 million voters.

The census bureau predicted post-election that 125.7 million people (thought they) had voted.

Why when we have so much evidence that the count was off and could have been easily manipulated by the corporate computers of Diebold and ES&S, which counted 80% of the vote, including 30% with no paper trail whatsoever, why are not more people questioning the validity of this election?

tseka,

I love the Buckminster Fuller quote.

Remember that Saturn is going into Leo shortly and will be opposing Neptune.

And I have made a vow that I will be turning my discontent into creative action.

I am not a destroyer. I'll leave that to those forces. I am leaning more toward the Vishnu approach of growth and preservation of that which is good. I always have loved Krishna with his blue face and flute.

Smirky can't even beat up on the fish any more:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1815090

OK...now I am going to REVIVE the Rethug=Fraud bumper sticker..
http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-head-start,0,2387236.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines.
Head Start Leader Resigns Abruptly

By Associated Press

May 27, 2005, 6:17 PM EDT
WASHINGTON -- Windy Hill, the leader of the Head Start preschool program, resigned abruptly Friday. Hill has been under review by the Health and Human Services Department's inspector general over accusations of financial abuses at the Head Start center she ran in Bastrop, Texas, before becoming associate commissioner of the federal program in 2002.

Ja, jm, i know not much about astrology but i wonder if saturn passing over my generation's pluto in leo isn't asking us to look in the mirror of neptune and apply discipline in the most creative and compassionate way honoring our deepest soul's purpose to overcome obstacles.

It's the image of Hel that fascinates me where we find wholeness in the duality; knowing our self in the mundane and our self connected to all things, dark into light / light into dark....and saturn in leo, perhaps that suggests we can learn some of these lessons joyfully. I, for one, believe we can learn our lessons from joy as easily as from pain. At least I'm practicing. heh! Do you think Krishna would agree?
tseka

http://johnconyers.com/index.asp?Type=SUPERFORMS&SEC={0F1B03E0-080B-4100-B143-36A5985EF1E3}

Please go to the Conyers website and sign his petition. He wants to send it to the Congress as soon as possible.

First, the memo appears to directly contradict the Administration's assertions to Congress and the American people that it would exhaust all options before going to war. According to the minutes, in July 2002, the Administration had already decided to go to war against Iraq.

Second, a debate has raged in the United States over the last year and one half about whether the obviously flawed intelligence that falsely stated that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction was a mere "failure" or the result of intentional manipulation to reach foreordained conclusions supporting the case for war. The memo appears to close the case on that issue stating that in the United States the intelligence and facts were being "fixed" around the decision to go to war.

These are not routine questions within a partisan give and take. Under the United States Constitution (Article I, Section 8), the Congress has the sole power to declare war. If the Executive Branch deceives the Congress in this duty, it represents an attack of our democracy of the most serious nature. These Constitutional questions are not going away and must be answered forthrightly and completely by this Administration.

I know this is a long-shot, being that we are outnumbered, but what the hell, it won't hurt!

They impeached Clinton for lying about a stupid idiot sexual affair. Conyers needs 100,000 names to send this to the Congress to get an investigation into Bus*'s run to war with Iraq.

The lies, the lies.

Shy...I saw the salmon story was coming to a head yesterday...thanks for posting the ruling. Did you know that the salmon fishing has been curtailed for the season due to NO SALMON to speak of? And that was directly linked to the release of water to farmers despite the fact that the native american tribes depended on the fishing to live. It isn't easy to balance out the needs of competing parties for resources, but this admnistration seems hell bent on grabbing all the goodies, damn the environment. Surely there must be SOME kind of plan that would protect the farmers, the fishing folk , the natives and the DAMN SALMON!!!! geez. Is it so hard to be a steward of our resources? Or as Rodney King said, Can't we all get along?

Glad that judge saw the scam they were trying to pull in court and put a stop to it. (for now I guess)

and if things weren't bad enough, for the last 3 days, every time I took a bite to eat, I would hear whispered in my astral ear "there are children with nothing to eat."
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http://www.sudan.net/news/posted/11640.html Why doesn't George Bush send Laura Bush to another  very real WOMEN'S / FAMILY  CRISIS...........IN SUDAN. Let him know at president@whitehouse.gov

It's  time to act!!................ (this came from a friend who had been on a cruise to Hawaii for 2 weeks...blew all of HIS calm instantly...)

I sincerely applaud everyone for doing whatever he/she can, including sharing information. I think Jo hit it on the head, though I don't think you (Jo) used this word: FEAR. There seems to be good reason to be fearful of the consequences, these days, of sticking one's neck out too far. As I said, there may be valid reason for not going into the street.

A good friend of mine, who used to be very involved in politics, has told me about how back in the day (60s/70s) Democrats always argued amongst themselves, and Republicans were always "on the same page." That's still happening today. Some are inclined to protest, some feel "no, we have to be reasonable and rational or we'll get no where."

It's true the protests against the Iraq war didn't stop it. But how many years did anti-Viet Nam protests go on? Add to that the lack of publicity of the protests and the framing of them as "just a few wackos", and it all adds up to nothing. But what would happen if those protests went on every weekend (or whatever) since the before-the-war ones? That's what happened with Viet Nam and it worked over time. True, we're now looking at a whole, big, creepy, fascist gov't -- which has probably been building for at least 25 years, maybe more. But if just one issue were focused on for an extended time, it would grow and perhaps have an effect on all the rest.

I'm kind of just thinking "aloud" here. I'm not ready to go organizing a big public event, myself. Still, I don't think that kind of thing is no longer effective. What I think is that very few are really committed to that tack. Thanks to everyone for your responses, they are all very interesting and informative and I appreciate them. And while I hate to play favorites in a group, the gold star goes to Pat C for sharing the story of the New Yorkers who put so much constant pressure on their guy that they're actually getting somewhere. Now THAT'S grass roots!! And I think that's what needs to be nurtured more. IMHO. ;-D

DU is reporting King Faud is dead and died on Wednesday. All military leaves have been cancelled, they expect a power struggle for the keys to the Kingdom.

This is a petition from John Conyers, please consider signing and sending it on to others.

http://www.johnconyers.com/

tseka,

Krishna would definitely take the joyous approach. Music and nature, communing with the animals, who are doing what they are supposed to do, are guaranteed to bring joy. I agree with you. It is not written in stone that we have to focus more on pain than pleasure. And I agree wholeheartedly with Hel about the duality. There is just as much good going on as bad at any time, I believe. Learning has to include the dual experience. Our pain is useless without the experience of joy. We are only shortchanging ourselves.

It is so good of you to remind us. I am very curious as to what this Saturn transit will bring, since the whole generation is affected as you said. Saturn brings things into manifestation so it could manifest our Neptunian dreams and visions if things work out that way. It certainly can on an individual basis, which is where it starts, as you also said earlier.

Why on earth is there joy to experience if we are not supposed partake of it?

The life force is more powerful than we can imagine and the earth needs us for the carbon dioxide we contribute. She won't let us go. She is mostly interested in equilibrium.

The seeds of growth are always being planted and nourished. Not everyone is quaking in fear. While all this destruction is going on around fossil fuels, I read this in today's paper:

"Blue Sun Biodiesel plans to open 10 new fueling stations in Colorado on July 4(a blend made from soybeans)--underscoring the growing popularity of the obscure fuel.

Jeff Probst, president of Fort Collins-based Blue Sun, said the company would have 50 fueling stations by the end of the year."

And most important:

" Typically B20 biodiesel costs 15 to 20 cents more than regular diesel. But a federal tax credit to biodiesel producers this year has reduced the price difference to less than a nickel."

So under the radar, good things are happening. This is the very same government so many people fear that did this. Something is looking out for us.

There will be big benefits and lots of money to be made in the next years in new and innovative industries.

OY!

http://empireburlesquenow.blogspot.com/2005/03/dubya-indemnity-bush-barons-beyond.html


In the order, Bush proclaims that any legal action taken for any reason against any American corporation dealing in "Iraqi petroleum products" at any point in the process – from well-head to gas-pump to boardroom – "constitutes an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security" of the United States. In fact, the very possibility that one of Bush's oil pets might be held accountable for its actions while gorging on Iraqi crude is so terrifying that the Looter-in-Chief has declared a "national emergency" to deal with the situation. (A "national emergency" that he forgot to mention to, er, the nation.)

The Bush edict grants a blanket immunity to all traffickers in Iraqi oil – as long as their moolah finds its way, by hook or crook, into the coffers of "United States persons or entities." Bush declares flatly that any "judicial process" launched against these protected entities "shall be deemed null and void."

Yea, verily, Pat C... & those are childish made-to-order bushaholic laws of various color & hue that are totally bogus. WhaddaPile of Hogdroppin's! One of these days, a university student doing a research paper on the neoconmen govt, that will have been covered up by historians out of shear unbearable embarrassment, will be amazed & think: "How did THAT happen?" ...like what is asked of the German peoples on nazism... I'll betcha.

I can understand why people are reluctant to take to the streets in protest.

I think of that horrible creature in mythology, the Hydra, who would immediately grow a new a tentacle if you cut one off. McCarthy's witch hunt ended and here we are with the Patriot Act and the New Paranoia. There were great protests against the war in Viet Nam, the people thought they were victorious, and here we are in another sickening war for profit. Nixon was obliterated from the scene and here we are with another criminal, George Bush. All the work of the Civil Rights Movement, all the sorrow, struggle, and then the triumph, and here we are back at Jim Crow.

It's no wonder people are disillusioned. These things have retrograded so fast that people have had a chance to experience all the failure of their efforts. Maybe they are looking for a more effective road to change.

Sally, this article will be one of the true keepers. I'm not quite sure if you KNOW how prescient(clairvoyent?) you are, but the money handlers have decided to overthrow the king. Fascinating won't begin to describe it.

JM, Lori ---

I am not quaking in fear... nor do I fall in the category of 'couch potato' --- I have participated in many a protest march. I may participate in one again.

We each are responsible (able to respond) for our own individual actions and non-actions. We walk our individual paths as we choose. I'm smelling judgment on this board and it stinks.

Masses of people are not rising up against this fascism --- NOT because they are fearful. Many don't see a problem. IMHO if all Americans were to wake up to the fact that we do not live in a democracy, some would be okay with a fascist government --- because it makes them feel secure (whatever the heck 'secure' is!)... in fact, some already know it and are more than okay with it. Some Americans WANT the government to be religious --- that is, of their particular vintage! Some Americans WANT the government to get in the bedroom --- to tell women what to do with their bodies, to tell folks that ONLY heterosexual relations are okay, to jail folks who are involved in same sex relations and to absolutely forbid partnership/marriage between same sex couples. Some Americans WANT their government to torture, abuse anyone SUSPECTED of terrorism (again, whatever 'terrorism' means --- one being's terrorism is another's patriotism). Some Americans WANT their government to secure their precious oil by whatever means required. And the litany goes on and on... I posted a couple of threads back on these folks who support the fascists in power --- 'totalists' I believe is the term.

Joanna, you are correct --- one day the American people will have to answer for how this fascist government came to be.

I agree with you, Jo. The judgement on this board does stink. I suspect, though, that we disagree about which judgement exactly.

I was born in 1969 and, therefore, don't have physical memories of the marches that happened. So, taking to the streets, shouting at the top of my lungs and being arrested isn't really in my make-up. But, for someone who's pushing us all to get out and march, admitting to this reluctant to march would be tantamount to accepting a Fascist Government.

That's b*llsh*t. And that, to me, stinks to high heaven.

Although we live in serious times, we're not all wired to hit the streets and protest. Some of us are wired to donate money to progressive causes so they can continue to pay their light bills or their internet service providers or maybe even buy computers! Is that donation (a form of protest in itself) any less important because the person wasn't on a street holding a sign?

Some of us prefer to get in the trenches and work with Senators, Congresspeople and the like on a grassroots level. Is that any less notable because we didn't do so while loudly chanting in a crowd holding yet another sign while we walked down yet another street?

So, the judgement on this board does stink. But it cuts both ways.

Jonathan

P.S. Nothing personal to you, Jo. I was just using your last post to make a (I thought) much needed point.

As you might have already heard, a federal judge has within the last day or so ruled that the govt. has to immediately release to the ACLU (who brought the case) ALL previously held secret photos of abuse in Abu Gharib (this new batch supposedly being much worse than the first) including U.S. soldiers nearly beating detainees to death, rape of female prisoners, as well as soldiers watching Iraqi guards repeatedly sodomizing young boys (what are 13 and 14 year olds doing there anyway??!!)

Well, W, Rummy, Cheney, Wolfie, Gonzalez, Gen. Miller, et al, thank you so much for continuing to improve upon America's already fantastic global image, especially among Muslims! Hopefully your reward will be a LONG vacation in that lovely Dutch city "the Hague".

There also has lately been talk on several websites (particularly T.B.R. News' in its "Voice of the White House" series) by purported govt. insiders, that several groups of very high level U.S. businesspeople and military officers, working independently, are in the early stages of planning a series of events designed to somehow result in the departure of W. and Cheney, BEFORE the U.S. armed forces' little remaining credibility, and the country's ability to continue to conduct international trade are totally destroyed. As all you astrologers have been predicting, I believe the next few weeks and months will turn out to be VERY interesting indeed.

Laurie, I see the same thing as well. The second-term chart looks poor with Pluto/Mars conjunction in the eight, the first term chart looks bad with the Saturn/Jupiter conjuncton in the earth sign, and Bush's birth chart looks poor with so many of his planets effected by the malefics. Not on that, take the Saturn transits and pluto transits, and I agree with you. I think this late summer and fall are going to be dangerous times for Bush.

First, I feel that this could be a scandal and an assassination. What doyou think?

I just read that John McCain, although still supporting Bolton, said that the Dems have some good points in expressing their right to receive whatever information they say they need relevant to deciding on a Presidential nomination, and added that is NOT in favor of holding an up or down vote until the White House agrees to release documents that Sen. Biden and Lugar requested, so that the senate is able to properly discharge its Constitutionally mandated "advise and consent" function.

Hey, although I disagree with him on the issues most of the time, maybe he believes in the Constitution after all, and will set an example for some of the other non-insane members of his highly dysfunctional party!!

McCain urging accord on Bolton.

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Burning Crosses Signal Return of KKK
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/052805Y.shtml

Travieso:

Very well could be a scandal and an assassination. Think "inside" job. They will have their reasons. From scandal, Bush becomes ineffective. Assassination would anger the masses against "the enemies" and no one would blame them for more war? Plus, their man becomes a martyr and then they can put Jeb in office. Now, I'm just rambling. But, who knows?

Something big is coming. And probably pretty soon. Don't you think?

Should we close the prison at Guantanamo?

Go & Vote - too many no's.

Sharon, I went to CNN.com but it's not there. Where do we vote?

Sorry, I forgot the link, Laurie. It's www.vote.com

Hey Laurie!

There are forecast that call for dangers to President Bush's life in terms of his health, in particular, his heart. I think Impeachement (yes, the dreaded I-word) is even more possible with the Iraq War, the documents that supposedly justified this unjust war, who's death toll in terms of American lives is over 1,650 men and women.......the biggest document,of course, being the infamous "Downing Street Memo", which will really screw Bush over.

Laurie, when do you think bad period in which scandals (and possibly (and hopefully) impeachement) will begin? Nancy at Starlight News say from mid-May 2005 to August 2006 is when President Bush and his cronies will squirm, especially over the failed Iraq War, which, for all of us here in Astroworld (myself included), will be quite "fun" to watch. =P

When do you think this "fun" will begin (in terms of pretty soon), so we can get ready to "happily" watch President Bush, his cronies, and his Republican buddies in Congress finally face both the music, and thier bad karmas? Thanks Laurie!!! =D

The I's have it: Intelligence (of the contrived variety) + Iraq (attack) = Impeachment. Yes.

Neerav Trivedi

Astrologers have been saying since January that the Bush problems come from May to Aug. including Nancy and myself. However I want to point out that this Administration since 2000 had 4 serious periods of dangerous times and the May to Aug. is the last of the 4 intense danger. There are some other windows but none as disruptive as this one and the last three and yet they are all still there. One thing that makes this period so dangerous is it doesn't just include Mr. Bush but the whole administration and some senate leaders, and State GOP leaders such as Gov. Schwarzenegger, Gov. Taft in Ohio and a few others. Unfortunately this difficult period ties the US in the same stew pot. In that sense, this period of time can be likened to a gathering storm.

Pat QOP, what are you hearing from your neighbors, politicos, etc., about this proposed isaster?

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/05/28/shut_bases_could_get_nuclear_waste/

Neerav, Sally mentioned how many Republicans have planets at the end of cardinal signs, which Saturn in Cancer is now. Sounds like some kind of accountability to me. I think it starts, "NOW" - as Al Franken says.

Watergate II is on its way, but it will be harder to get the whistleblowers because they will be in great danger and they know it. They're livlihoods could be ruined, and they know it.

We shall see . . . .

Thank you Sally, Nancy, Isabelle, and all the astrologers that post on this site. I don't know what I would do without you!

There are so many possibilities.

I came across this today...one man's approach to the political situation. A man who was not previously involved.

"I'm with you both... creative energy creates... we've had enough of the dark god/goddess destructive energy to last us at least a couple of hundred years.

So, I'm going to brag on my husband again this morning... LOL :-)
He was so awesome last night giving his speech. He talked about intellect and he talked about heart and kindness and compassion. The kids he was talking to are going to go on to become doctors and astrophysicists and heads of companies... bright, bright kids.
He told me he had to *be* up there what he was telling them to be... courageous (his speech raised a few eyebrows when he introducted politics) and he was warm and loving... he does love those kids. And Ken is a scientist. I'm sure some of the parents expected him to be dry and analytical, he wasn't at all.

God, it feels good to be part of the light."

It's a division of labor, I think, at this point. There is so much to be done

For me, what cinches the top boyz troubles hitting this time for sure, is that Laura and Lynne both have Leo planets that saturn will be hitting pretty soon - Lynne has Pluto, chiron, mercury & sun all in Leo (14 August 1941 - dont know the time) and saturn will be going into Lauras 4th house containing saturn & pluto. Lots of challenges with home life for Laura I think.

Kiwijeanie,

Laura's Saturn/Pluot conjunction on the nadir has always interested me. I think her public humiliation last week is this Saturn coming in. She is supposed to be the power at home with that conjunction and I think she was forced into the trip. So the struggle heats up.
I've always thought she is dangerous.

Neerav Trivedi, Sally, and Laurie,

HAve you noticed the Sun/Neptune/and Chiron (partile conjunction with Chiron in Capricorn and Sun/Neptune in Aquarius).

To me, this shows that the administration will use the media to decieve and falsely gain esteem from the public. However, this also can show that admin's reputation will be so damaged by some scandal. (whole sign sextile with the stellium on the midheaven with the Pluto/Mars conjunction in the eighth in Sagittarius. (Mars is out of sect here)

So I think you are right Sally, It will be Bush personally because of Saturn transits touching his loaded first house this fall (Pluto, Mercury and Venus). But, I think the whole administration will suffer due to some kind of scandal.

jm, I was astounded at her press dinner gig where she "jokingly" referred to Ma Bush as a Don Corleone - the best lines from comedians always have the ring of truth. Guess she has to have inner steel or she would not be able to survive in that family!

from KN Rao, http://www.journalofastrology.com/ARTICLES/the_visible_trend.htm

USA

In USA Simha lagna is rising with all the five planets in the eighth house aspected by Saturn. It should be clear that it is going to be a very eventful year for this country but in more disastrous ways than can be anticipated. It will have to be seen month by month closely. In brief, it can be said that USA has many secret plans to spring surprises in many places, particularly in West Asia, through open and secret agreements to topple regimes. In turn what tragedies USA will itself face will have to be seen in the horoscopes of top men of US administration. Some of them falling sick, some dying and some getting disgraced is what appears from such a planetary position.

However, what appears certain is that the Bush administration will have to take its own decision to operate its own oil fields to some extent while continuing to squeeze the West Muslim countries out of their oil resources at the price it fixes.

Bush will have to struggle to carry out some of his election promises, particularly of privatising the social security system which since the days of President Roosevelt has been such a glorious example of state caring for its citizens. He may find stiff opposition in it from his own party as well. The medicare, said to have been introduced since the days of Lyndon Johnson too will be opposed.

Jo, that is fascinating! Thanks for the link.

Sally, Laurie, Travieso, thank you so much for that information you gave me, as I can look foward to the fun, which, from what I have read in astrology forecassts by you guys and have seen in the news, has already started. Bush's poll numbers are already going down big-time, which means that the "fun" has already begun.

In terms of the astrological forecast for the "possible" impeachement of President Bush, I am forecasting that within the next three months (June - August 2005), several events (i.e. a civil war breaking our in Iraq, demolishing the newly formed government of Iraq) and even documents on the Iraq War and the faileded post-war plans, will emerge and demonstrate very strongly how the rationale to go to Iraq by President Bush was fabricated. In addition, information that President Bush and his Administration knew about a planned attack on our country on the fateful day of Sepetmber 11th, 2001, but did nothing to act on his to protect the country will once again emerge, that will cause a HUGE scandal for President Bush and his administration as a major double-whammy. Expect job approval numbers to very quickly drop very quickly around the mid-30s in a majority of the public opinion polls.

As a result, a good many Repubicans in both houses of Congres will revolt againt thier own leader (i.e. Bush), and will support the Democrat's call for Impeachement. I expect this to happen around late July or early August 2005, and will continue through August 2006. The actual agreement by both political parties to impeach President Bush over the failed intelligence information for both the 9/11 terrorist attacks and the failed Iraq War will not happen until sometime in October 2005, with the trial beginning sometime in late January or early February 2006, as astrologer Nancy Waterman from Starlight News has indicated as another very bad period for President Bush.

As for what will happen to President Bush as a result of being Impeached? Good question. From seeing the transits that will happen between now and November 2006 (the mid-term elections), members of both political parties will be scrambling to make sure that they don't become liable for thier decision to impeach President Bush, which will overshadow thier relection campaign for thier Representative or Senate seat(s). Saturn in Leo will provide no luck, and Mars in Aries will really screwball Bush badly, especially with new information that will be even more damming to Bush and his cronies. In addition, the fog of Neptune in Pisces, which is deception and deceit (Neptune) over both the Bush Administration's failure to prevent the 9/11 attacks given the information they had to do so; and the Iraq War, which already has turned to civil war by then, making the causalties well over 2,200 U.S men and women, as they are unfortunately cauhht in the crossfire between the Shiite and Sunni Muslims. Uranus is in Aquarius until around mid-March 2011, and Pluto is in Sagittarius until late January 2008, and both planets indicate a sudden change or upheaval, that will tranform the White House and the American people. Uranus and Neptune are currently in "mutual reception", as they are in each other's Zodiac sign, so sudden twists if events should happen that clears away deceit and the lies,, and with Pluto, exposes the extreme right-wing agenda of the Bush Administration. Jupiter and Venus will help to some extent, as they will help to rally some of the Republicans to the defense of President Bush's action to not stop the 9/11 attacks and to go to war with Iraq. Chiron, the wound healer, is also there and Bush will have some success in defelcting off these accusations over these two issues, and possibly through deception and misconstrewing the facts, which will be coming out at rapid fire pace thanks to good old Mercury.

Given all of these astrological facts, if U.S. President George W. Bush gets impeached over the non-action to prevent the 9/11 terrorist attacks and the failed Iraq War, I am hereby forecasting that he WILL be removed from office by sometime in mid to late August 2006, with only months left for the Senators and Represenatives to campaign for the midterm, and repair any political damage that the Bush Impeachment/Removal has caused them. The backlash will be there very strongly for some of them, however.

If all goes well with this astrological "Bush Impeachment Forecast", the "fun", as I have been refering to in an earlier posting, has already begun. Now, all we have to do is to sit back and enjoy the ride, because it will be one hell of a jouney for all of us to go through, especially for that evil dictator by the name of President George W. Bush.

Neerav Trivedi, you have my vote! What would you like to run for?? hay hay. You are fascinating.

Music to my ears! or eyes? whatever. hay.

Seriously folks, while we are having fun watching Bush self-destruct, I think at the same time we will see some earth changes where many people get killed. Just my feeling.

There will be more than just the demolition of Bush. There will be some major changes to our environment. I hope someone here disagrees. I would very much like to be wrong.

Neerav Trivedi, you've got my vote, too, for anything. Haven't felt this hopeful in far too long.

Hey Laurie!

I would say the White Hosue, but I have to wait 11 more years before I get to the legal age. Ah well. ;)

By the way, how did you like my astrology forecast that I put out for the impeachment of President Bush? Let me know what you think about it. =)

Thanks for your support, as I will be updating you guys frequently on the latest updates on the astrology forecasts for the Bush impeachment.

Yes, Janet and Laurie, bad times for Bush are ahead, which mean good times for us.

Let's hope that Bush impeachment movement, starts soon here in the United States so that the good times can roll!!!

OK, I'm taking bets here. Who has more lives: King Faud or al-Zarqawi? I don't even want to get into how many legs al-Zarqawi has had. Or faces for that matter--he always seems to look different from the previous time one was broadcast. He must have a heck of a plastic surgeon.

Oops. That's me (shylurker) who posted the message above. I'm good at lurking. Not too good at luring, though.

I love your ideas and projections, NT -- may they all come true. Just one thing though, Neptune is in Aquarius now. I checked and it goes into Pisces in March 2011, and Uranus goes into Aries at the end of May 2010. However, I'm sure this won't undermine anything. I love the way you think and you have my vote, too.

Who owns the media?

http://www.freepress.net/ownership/

Thanks, Sharon. The real, big fireworks (i.e. the impeachment movements) should start popping during the summer months, ending with the finale (i.e. the removal of George W. Bush from office) by mid to late August 2006, if all goes well with this astrology forecast.

The three giant trans-Saturnian planets: Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto, do play a big role in this forecast, as it does in Sally, Nancy, and Lauries' forecasts. The mutual reception of Uranus and Neptune (in Pisces and Aquarius respectively), combined with Pluto (in Sagittarius), and any aspects between Uranus (electricity, sudden changes or upheavals) & Neptune (dreams and deception) vs. Pluto (death, rebirth, and transformation, especially with entire societies or generations) will cause major transformations in both the US Givernment and in the consciousness of the American people between late July 2005 and September 2009. These transformations, we hope, will lead to peace, not war. They have been fueling this change for the past three years or so with 9/11 and the wars in both Afghanistan and Iraq; and we will be entering the climax of the influence of these planets this summer through next summer, before it all cools down, starting with Pluto leaving Sagittarius in late January 2008, in time for the start of the 2008 Presidential Election campaign season.

For this Republican Congress to initiate impeachment procedures there will have to be a great (greater than 51 percent) demand it, the big money brokers will have to get behind it, and the Supreme Court will have to go along. We won't have another "Watergate" not in that way, the energies are way stronger now, not just the outer planets but the sun storms, the impact of new planets coming into our consciousness.

The control and power this family possess throughout the world is massive, beyond imagination. There are at least 4 "hydras" that control the world and this family is one of those 4 and the Hydra has many heads, similiar to the Catholic Church and the Monarchy prior to the Reformation. To bring this group down will be cataclysmic, and it will take another "hydra" to do it. So I do think it will be big, and it will be bigger than Nixon or the assassinations of the 60's, and I don't know what it will take, but it will be on the scale of the super-volcano.

Even if this administration is kicked out, without exorcizing the entire cancer, there will just be someone like him put in place. France, England, Russia, Germany, the Middle East are all heating up, it isn't just about us and this little country anymore, nor is it as simple as this country's issues.

I also believe however, that the noose is tightening because of the ineptitude of this group of people and the disaster that has been created, we just need to watch the show.

I agree with that forecast, Sally. Laurie did hint of something "big" happening soon, but did not specify when that is. I can definitely smell impeachment as that big even coming, starting this summer (Summer 2005).

I say we are in the period on which the big event of impeachement of Bush is possible between mid-May 2005 to mid to late August 2006, and will be an extremely difficult time for President Bush.

But as both Laurie and Sally have told us.......let's wait pateinetly and see how the fireworks displays end up looking like as time progresses.

Well, I've definitely taken a ringside seat, much to my chagrin at times. It's so true how vast the network is. And the play of outer planets in advanced signs makes me feel like it is way out of our control. I think that's part of why we are not protesting in the ways we have before. There is something new and different about this experience so we have to learn as we go.

For me, the new expansion of consciousness leaves me no choice but to trust the unfoldment no matter what the details are. Right now, I feel like we are getting a little bit unstuck...getting a taste of freedom from the trap. I think our captors are overwhelmed with their prize and unsure of how to control it. It is slippery.

Let me tell you folks, if I ever hit the Powerball lottery jackpot at any range between 100 and 200 million or greater, I'm going to put together a team of liberal investors and personally build my own liberal news network. And then I'm going to blast every last dirty drop on the Bush Family through in depth, investigative journalism over the airwaves 24/7/365. By the time I'm through, not one citizen in this entire country will have any doubt as to just how horribly destructive the Bush Family has been for America and the entire world.

I've never felt more strongly that Poppy Bush has played key roles in a lot of events throughout our recent modern history, at least going back to the Kennedy assassinations. I still think he has a hand in current events and more to do with the misadministration of his frightfully inept and dimwitted progeny than anyone will ever openly admit.

Why does he keep going? George H. W. Bush is almost 81 years old. How many more Weapons of Mass Destruction can he sell through Carlyle? How much more money can he launder? How much more can he hurt and maim the lives of countless millions of Americans, Iraqis and others throughout the world... all for profit and the benefit of his own vanity???

At some point, Bush Senior must pass from this world. He can take none of the material things that he's stolen with him, but will leave them behind along with a name and a legacy that shall be reviled and hated by generations beyond those now present on this Earth.

Great comments everyone.
With all due respect a word of caution: the na-na-na-na-na feeling can be very seductive, but feeling gleeful at anothers demise is not a good energy to get comfortable with for the long term if we ever want real change.
What must change before the world can ever get out of the eons old cycle of one form of power trip trampling over another, is a true focus on what practical steps we can all take to make all of society live better, more meaningful lives.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1816778

Nice DU thread begun by someone who was in a group who had lunch with Wesley Clarke today. I wonder what his prospects would be for 2008? In case you're interested - http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/ClarkWesley.htm

I do have one question for everyone...

I absolutely agree with everyone on this board who says that when it starts "coming down" it will NOT be at all like Watergate. One reason is that although many others in Nixon's administration were also extremely criminal and dysfunctional in many ways, they were not all caught up in the same bold faced lies and treasonous behavior as the rest of Bushco in this case. (Cheney, Rice, Rummy, Gonzalez, etc.) so I believe the whole process of chain of command succession will be very difficult, as that at the very least both Cheney and Rice (second and fourth in the line of succession to the Presidency) will probably also be forced out of power for the same reasons as Bush.

So I guess my most immediate question regards the Speaker of the House, Dennis Hassert. Although undoubedly repugnant, stupid, corrupt, and in bed with DeLay and others, he may be able to escape culpability and ultimate prosecution for 9/11 complicity, war crimes, + fabrication of pre-war intelligence. Anyone know his chart information? (as as you all probably know, if Bush + Cheney get dumped together, he would in normal circumstances be the next President, although in this case surely on a VERY short leash).

Grizzly, Two-bit Denny was born Jan 2, 1942, in Illinois:
http://www.vote-smart.org/bio.php?can_id=H1152103

Jan 2-1942, Aurora, IL
http://www.house.gov/hastert/bio.shtml

Also, trusty AW has a thread on Hastert:
http://www.astroworld.us/archives/000331.html

Dennis Hastert info
Birthdate: 01/02/1942
Birthplace: Aurora, IL
Home City: Batavia, IL
www.publiccampaigns.org/congress.htm

Posted by: shylurker on November 5, 2003 05:39 PM
Whoa! Assuming I input the data correctly to Astrodienst, it appears Hastert has a sun (abt 11 Cap) moon (abt 12 Cancer based on noon) opposition. And tr Saturn is right on top of that currently. Too bad we don't know exact time of birth so we could know how wide the sun/moon opp is. Please feel free to double-check and make sure I entered the data correctly. Tnx!

Posted by: shylurker on November 5, 2003 05:48 PM

Love the article Sally, especially the references to the "Furies." You're so clever.

I've been thinking about Dennis Hastert, with his Sun opp Moon, he was obviously born on a full moon. I wonder if someone cast a chart for the EXACT full moon that day, shouldn't the trends of that time give us some clues? I don't know how to do this, I just use Astrodienst and I'm not sure how to know what time to put in for the exact full moon. For sure, if he was born on the exact full moon, he's got Saturn on his Moon opposing his Sun. My God, that has to be powerful.

I could be way, way out of line here, but just thought I'd throw this in for thought.

Posted by: Laurie on November 6, 2003 12:11 AM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I also found a weird site - Meet President Dennis Hassert...tell your representatives it's ok to impeach busy & cheney
http://www.hereinreality.com/hastert.html

Lastly, I stumbled on an interesting site where they list some very prescient predictions, mostly by someone named Agric. He actually corroborated that the impeachment of Bush & Cheney takes off in late May and concludes in Oct. He also talks about how bad the economy fall out will be (depression) and says something like enjoy this summer, it will be the last comfortable one in terms of the economy.

Jan 2-1942, Aurora, IL
http://www.house.gov/hastert/bio.shtml

Also, trusty AW has a thread on Hastert:
http://www.astroworld.us/archives/000331.html

Dennis Hastert info
Birthdate: 01/02/1942
Birthplace: Aurora, IL
Home City: Batavia, IL
www.publiccampaigns.org/congress.htm

Posted by: shylurker on November 5, 2003 05:39 PM
Whoa! Assuming I input the data correctly to Astrodienst, it appears Hastert has a sun (abt 11 Cap) moon (abt 12 Cancer based on noon) opposition. And tr Saturn is right on top of that currently. Too bad we don't know exact time of birth so we could know how wide the sun/moon opp is. Please feel free to double-check and make sure I entered the data correctly. Tnx!

Posted by: shylurker on November 5, 2003 05:48 PM

Love the article Sally, especially the references to the "Furies." You're so clever.

I've been thinking about Dennis Hastert, with his Sun opp Moon, he was obviously born on a full moon. I wonder if someone cast a chart for the EXACT full moon that day, shouldn't the trends of that time give us some clues? I don't know how to do this, I just use Astrodienst and I'm not sure how to know what time to put in for the exact full moon. For sure, if he was born on the exact full moon, he's got Saturn on his Moon opposing his Sun. My God, that has to be powerful.

I could be way, way out of line here, but just thought I'd throw this in for thought.

Posted by: Laurie on November 6, 2003 12:11 AM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I also found a weird site - Meet President Dennis Hassert...tell your representatives it's ok to impeach busy & cheney
http://www.hereinreality.com/hastert.html

Lastly, I stumbled on an interesting site where they list some very prescient predictions, mostly by someone named Agric. He actually corroborated that the impeachment of Bush & Cheney takes off in late May and concludes in Oct. He also talks about how bad the economy fall out will be (depression) and says something like enjoy this summer, it will be the last comfortable one in terms of the economy.

Oh, sorry, the link for that site is:
http://interactive.zogby.com/fuse/messageview.cfm?catid=17&threadid=4046

For everyone keeping track of our own building Nuremburg Trials this just came up on Buzzflash

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1632566,00.html

TO Kiwijeanie: You are so RIGHT about putting out "na na na na na" energy and taking pleasure in someone's fall. It's hard to understand how energy works because we have not been educated to understand energy flows, they aren't wou wou, they are real and the Universe is like a boomarang. We think in terms of good and bad people, but the Universe doesn't. Think of it as a wind that blows everywhere and as it blows past us carrying our thoughts or intentions it will keep on blowing out toward sea, but eventually that wind blows back to us and hits us with some of the intentions we first sent out.

Kiwijeanie, I agree with you too. I am long past wanting B's demise for my own pleasure, I did feel that way in 2000 when he stole the election from Gore. Now I want him out for my country and the betterment of the peoples of the world. Period. I do so love my country but I also love the world as a whole and I feel he has been a catalyst for major damage that we will all have to fix eventually.

Sharon, very interesting you pulling up posts from last year, stuff I had forgotten!!

What a great site this is, truly.

Neerav, you give me more credit than I deserve, my predictions are from reading professional astrologer's predictions, not an original thought of mine. Astrology interests me and I plan to continue learning, but I am certainly not in Sally or Nancy's league. But thank you dear one.

it's disheartening to still have *sh in office BUT we can't forget the stream of events here:
when he was "placed" there was great controversy,
not joy or triumph. at that time we weren't that thrilled with gore either...his ratings went down until the WTC HIT.
four years ago it was flags and soaring ratings for the war rez with the world at his feet!
the plan was to shock and awe...it failed...
then to move on to iran, syria, etc..
that failed.
we now have lost respect throughout the world on almost every front, environment, treaties on nuclear proliferation, human rights etc...
his own party is slowly and maybe quietly fighting him. he's alienated the f.b.i, the c.i.a
and probably everyone but his mother.
the xtians only want their way and it's finally becoming obvious to ALL how radical they are.
hardly anyone wants social security to change, documents have come to light....and on and on

just how is the residency working out for him??

we all work for change in our own ways and its ALL working! it may not be working as fast as we would like but everything is unraveling faster every day!
the "media" may want us to believe that the whole country is right wing fundie repugs and all that goes with it but look around, it's not true.
most people are somewhere in the middle and they just want to live, work, raise families, be safe and have some fun.
in my opinion not one single thing has or is working out for him and he must feel like a miserable failure on a grand scale with the whole world watching! he's a cornered animal and just about anything he does will only accelerate his demise...scarey!

what i meant to say is that all the work that everyone has done is working!
even gentle water can erode rocks

Wow. I have been mulling the posts written in response to my own. I just re-read my posts, and sorry, I don't get it. I'm saddened that the conversation went nowhere.

What we have here is a failure to communicate.

Rubaiat, nice post, truly! Thank you!

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The only caveat I see to the impeachment scenario is this: If the enormously wealthy heads of the huge multinational corporations are the puppeteers, does it matter who is the puppet?

I'd also like to say to everyone:

YOU are the hero. Look to yourself. That is where you will find the hero. When we each find the hero, it won't matter who is in the White House. We each will know viscerally that we each have always had authority; we will each initiate our own actions, in whatever form they might take, and from the initiated actions will come the world we ourselves create.

Click the ruby slippers three times, and repeat "there's no hero but me; there's no hero but me..."

Lastly, Dennis Hastert is a Capricorn Sun: knows how the world works, knows how to work the world, and the signature of his Sun is long years of hard work with rewards at the end. (Unless, of course, he does something stupid like Nixon did and screws it all up. Wonder how we would perceive Nixon today if Watergate had never happened?)

Love, Lori

Lori, excellent point concerning the puppet. It doesn't matter. Don't think they won't throw him to the wolves if it suits their purposes. There's another puppet awaiting in the hallway.

Concerning Hastert, I don't know a lot about him but he doesn't turn my stomach the way Bush and Cheney do. So that means something to me.

Speaking of Cheney, there's a video going around the internet. I haven't had a chance to view it yet but here's a link if you get a little time.

http://dailykos.com/story/2005/5/29/04015/0304

Lori, I agree with you about looking to oneself. This coming age is about giving up the need to behave like children that needs a "big daddy" to take care of us or tell us what to do. Daddy has always been, God, Priest, King, President...... To be mature enough to live lives full of love, generosity, industry & joy - absent of greed, hate & sloth.
I still feel pretty strongly that GW is here to play some sort of Judas role for all of us... the betrayal that will lead to change.
There are so many levels of interpretations to life's mysteries.

Hey Mike, we're still up past pumpkin hour ... where are you?

kiwijeanie,
yes! the betrayal that will lead to change,,,i feel that too.
there's a good site,
http://www.timothyfreke.com
he advocates the alliance of the all, that we should be lucid living.
wrote "the laughing jesus" and "jesus and the lost goddess"
ways to affect change without getting caught up in the ugliness.

i found him in the forum section of :
http://www.grahamhancock.com
an archeologia site.

Those sites look interesting Rubaiat. Thanks. I'm off to bed now but I'll get back to them later.

Frank Rich - right on as usual...

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One of my favorite Cassandra's, Charley Reese, reminds us all of how we are manipulated:

The 'Ism' at the Gate

by Charley Reese

If you look at the past 100 years or so, you will see plainly that there has always been an "ism" at the gates.

The old idea of controlling the people and increasing government power by warning of an "enemy at the gates" dates back to the Roman Empire, and probably well before that. It is among those tactics that are obvious to any dishonest person coveting power.

The first isms at the gate were socialism, pacifism and anarchism; then came fascism; next was communism; and now it's terrorism. The advantage of all the isms is that they appeal directly to another ism – nationalism, which is about the only one of the isms the great mass of people can comprehend.

Most people can't tell you differences between socialism, communism, fascism or anarchism, but everyone knows who he or she is, and who isn't one of the group. "By God, I'm an American, and those guys ain't."

Don't feel insulted. The human brain is wired to recognize differences. Be honest. If you're white and you meet a black person, what first registers? His blackness. And vice versa. The priority of noticing differences was probably a needed survival skill when humans lived in caves. Most primitive tribes lived by the rule that every stranger was an enemy until he proved himself to be a friend. As a matter of fact, that's still a good rule to live by.

What Americans ought to realize, however, is that the Establishment fans the fear about the current ism in order to increase its power and make money. You should know, for example, that American capitalists and American capital built a great deal of the Soviet Union's infrastructure, even long after the Cold War started. In fact, while Americans were dying presumably to fight communism in Vietnam, the U.S. was trading with communism in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union, and protecting it in Cuba.

Establishment types never allow principle to interfere with their money-seeking. I recall a quote in a major financial newspaper by the then- president of one of America's largest banks. He had been asked if he felt uncomfortable making loans to communist Poland. "We don't care what kind of government they have," he said, "as long as they pay their bills."

I cherish that quote, along with one from an anonymous Kuwaiti who, when asked why he was not fighting to liberate his country from Iraq, replied: "Why should I? That's what our American slaves are for."

The war on terrorism is phony. True, bin Laden's boys were able to hit us pretty hard, thanks to luck and our own government's incompetence. But that was one organization and one hit. President Bush, after he got his instructions from the Establishment, declared war on every underground organization in the world, 95 percent of which were not even thinking of us, much less thinking about attacking us.

Colombian rebels are against the Colombian government; Irish Republicans oppose British control of Northern Ireland; Palestinian groups are fighting Israeli occupation; and so on and so on. People employing guerrilla-war tactics to seek independence, an end to occupation, the overthrow of a dictator or to attain some degree of autonomy are not our enemies.

Bin Laden is our enemy, and we should have concentrated on him. As it is, President Bush's declaration of war on terrorism (a mistake on its face, because terrorism is a tactic, not a state) sent a message to every head of state in the world: If people oppose your government, call them terrorists, and you have our blessing to kill and torture to your heart's desire.

The question is, When are we, the American people, going to stop being saps and realize that the foreign devils du jour are always designed to distract us from the ills, sins and injustices taking place in our own country?

Some walls are tumbling down, some walls are going up --- one of the few 'live' reporters from Iraq, and one of the few who report the truth on Iraq, imho, Dahr Jamail reports on the Iraqi "police":

Death and 'Sketchy Details' in Iraq

by Dahr Jamail

Yesterday Iraq's Minister of Defense, Sadoun al-Dulaimi, announced that starting Saturday 40,000 Iraqi troops will seal Baghdad and begin to "hunt down insurgents and their weapons." Baghdad will be divided into two main sections, east and west, and within each section there will be smaller areas of control.

There will be at least 675 checkpoints and al-Dulaimi said this is the first phase of a security crackdown that will eventually cover all of Iraq.

Keep in mind that most of Iraq has remained in a "state of emergency" since the beginning of the siege of Fallujah, on November 8th.

"We will also impose a concrete blockade around Baghdad, like a bracelet around an arm, God willing, and God be with us in our crackdown on the terrorists' infrastructure."

Also at the press conference was Bayan Jabor, the Minister of Interior who added, "These operations will aim at turning the government's role from defensive to offensive."

This is really, really bad news.

The Iraqi security forces already have an extremely bad name throughout much of Baghdad. I've had three Iraqi doctors tell me, in different hospitals at different times, that they call the Iraqi National Guard the "dogs of the Americans."

Another close friend of mine in Baghdad, also a doctor, wrote me recently to say;

"Iraqi forces now have what they call 'liwaa al deeb,' which means the Wolf Brigade. This is a very American name, and is an ugly name which gives the impression of violence. In the past the Iraqi troops held names of some famous Muslim and Arabic symbols which were more accepted. Anyway, the name wouldn't matter if their behavior was straight….they now practice a kind of state sponsored terrorism."

He went on to give an example of their not-so-straight behavior…

"Eyewitnesses in Al-Saydia area to the south of Baghdad told me that recently when a car bomb detonated and destroyed the area nearby, people were astonished to see the so-called police looting a destroyed mobile phone store that was nearby! The police now are a bunch of thieves. Many of then are already criminals who were released from Abu Ghraib prison before the war."

When I was in Baghdad in January, I was shot at by Iraqi police on two different occasions simply because our car drove too close to them.

Hence, out of concern for his family, Abu Talat has returned to Baghdad. He fears that his two youngest sons will be detained simply because they are of "military age," according to the US military.

Even now in Haditha, where the US military is engaged in an operation called "Operation New Market," (where do they get these names?) somewhat similar to the recent attack on al-Qa'im, where around 1,000 troops are raiding homes. They have set up sniper positions, and according to an Iraqi doctor I spoke with today that has colleagues in Haditha, "The Americans are detaining so many people there, any man between the ages of 16 and 25 years is being immediately detained without question."

So Abu Talat is back into the fire…needless to say, I support his decision to go back to look after his family, but not without deep concern and sadness.

"What else can I do, habibi," he asks me while holding up his hands today.

So we say goodbye yet again, which in this situation is always a difficult thing to do. Will I see him again? Will his family be alright? What if…?

Life in occupied Iraq. On any given day, anything can happen. It's a numbers game.

He or any of my other friends there could end up like the three civilians who were shot dead by US soldiers yesterday while they were traveling in a minibus in al-Dora, Baghdad.

Lieutenant Jamie Davis, a spokesman for the US military, said of the slaughter, "The details are sketchy and we don't know who was involved."

According to AFP, the bus driver who survived the incident said US troops opened fire after he pulled over to get out of their way.

Now with over 675 checkpoints to be manned by the "dogs of the Americans," we'll all have to get used to countless more civilian deaths where "the details are sketchy."

http://www.antiwar.com/jamail/?articleid=6124

CNN reported thousands on Friday --- antiwar.com has a photo which looks like hundreds of thousands, multiplied by countries from Asia to Middle East --- numbers total more than Corporate media would have one believe. At any rate, Muslims are protesting USA IN THE STREETS since US gov't admitted on Thursday to desecrating the Qu'ran.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/05/27/muslim.protests.ap/index.html

rubaiat, that is amazing. I just clicked online after watching an obscure film I knew nothing about before called "Common Ground" by Argentine director Adolfo Aristarain. It was about lucid living. It was beautiful.

"There are so many levels of interpretations to life's mysteries.'
That is also beautiful, Kiwijeanie.
I believe all experience is valuable and holds opportunity.

I'm also going to remember to click my slippers and think about who the hero is. Excellent idea, Lori. The whole thing is a vast drama filled with heroes, villians, and every imaginable creature we can think of.

I'm not surprised, Jo. I had a feeling this Koran thing would be big. Pluto's nearing the end. The Holy War heats up.

*****STOP THE GUILT*******
there is no one gonna make you blind ...but your own guilted mind.
'There is no sin, only the conciousness of sin' - Swami Muktananda. (btw-thanks for the headline template idea, Mike!)

Feel your feelings, they might not be mature but the PC is enough to make me gag and does not serve us, in fact it'll make you swallow those icky feelings and give yourself a disease, some hero!

I bust butt all the time to be dharmic = do the right thing. I've sacrificed many moments of temporary pleasure, and stop bs from getting too close. Each time a bully has bothered me the victimization did not stop by turning the cheek, it stopped when I entered their territory or told them off in front of others. That was the only method I learned to truly stop the madness. Some of our old time religons are fairy tales and maybe Jesus said turn the other cheek. How do we know, were any of you there to eye witness him saying this??

So be your own hero and get real and fight back. I want the crooks, theives , thugs and death squad criminals to go down in a big flame. Only a big show will awaken the throngs of the walking dead who think the *co behavior is normal.
If you wish to be all PC and 'nice' about it stay there, some of us aren't buying it. I work too hard towards Dharma and *Co is not lifting a finger towards it. O-U-T by any means necessary.

Tao Te Ching
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bhakti, your posts are always so strong and passionate and a pleasure to read!

*KiwiJeanie* Your Judas analogy is absolutely fabulous! For years I've considered how Judas is so vilified for the role he played (whether this story is true or myth...makes no difference). If not for Judas, where would Jesus be? Certainly not the known deity of the day. (Same goes for the Jews that took active part, and the Romans who did the same, etc., but Judas is clearly the main fall guy in the story.)

What an amazing broad view you've introduced here, Kiwi. Thanks.

I appreciate all the dialogue and sharing that goes on here. I think there's a lot of value in us sharing all our different perspectives and I enjoy reading every person's posts on this board.

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This is my favorite interpretation of the Tao Te Ching. It is the one that I have and I do cherish it and use it often.
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Bhakti: great post right there, as you are so right!!!

And it rings so true with what is going on in American politics today. This Iraq War and this wrongly done war on terror is Bush's way of destroying dharma and stability in the world.

What you said about bringing down crooks, thieves and so on should refer to all nations and thier peoples to dispose of leaders and thier administration that abuse both their power and thier people's trust. For Bush, Blair, and many other who decided to help Bush and Blair with this illegal war, it seems to be heading in that direction, as it look as if people in those countries are getting pretty sick and tired of thier nation's involvement with this Iraq War, especially with all the bad news within the past two months.

I see revolutions and uphevals (some of them, sudden due to the energies of Uranus curently transiting through Pisces until March 12th, 2011) starting in late July 2005 (Saturn moves into Leo on July 16th, 2005), and ending, from what I see now, sometime in September 2009, including the 2006 midterm elections, and the 2008 Presidential Elections in the United States (Pluto exits Sagittarius and heads into Capricorn in late January 2008, with the effects still being felt for another two years), and in overthrows of many governments in the world who have both bad foriegn and domestic policies, the deception thereof for these policies (Neptune), and have supported the illegal war in Iraq. As you can see from what I have written above, Saturn, Uranus, and Pluto play a very big role in these long-term changes that are now taking place in the global society.

Changes are at hand for the better, but they will take time before the overall transformation of global society towards peace and harmony is complete. We are just seeing the makings of it already with the weak election of Blair; the eroding support of the American people towards Bush, his Administration and his Republican friends in Congress; and calls for changes in many other nations in the world (calls for a democracy in Iran and in Lebanon), that will ultimately lead to good results.

Things do take time to work themselves out, especailly large-scale, long-term changes, and so here, patience is truly a virtue.

Something to remember on Memorial Day

Jackson Browne — Lives in The Balance LyricsI’ve been waiting for something to happen
For a week or a month or a year
With the blood in the ink of the headlines
And the sound of the crowd in my ear
You might ask what it takes to remember
When you know that you’ve seen it before
Where a government lies to a people
And a country is drifting to war

And there’s a shadow on the faces
Of the men who send the guns
To the wars that are fought in places
Where their business interest runs

On the radio talk shows and the t.v.
You hear one thing again and again
How the u.s.a. stands for freedom
And we come to the aid of a friend
But who are the ones that we call our friends--
These governments killing their own?
Or the people who finally can’t take any more
And they pick up a gun or a brick or a stone
There are lives in the balance
There are people under fire
There are children at the cannons
And there is blood on the wire

There’s a shadow on the faces
Of the men who fan the flames
Of the wars that are fought in places
Where we can’t even say the names

They sell us the president the same way
They sell us our clothes and our cars
They sell us every thing from youth to religion
The same time they sell us our wars
I want to know who the men in the shadows are
I want to hear somebody asking them why
They can be counted on to tell us who our enemies are
But they’re never the ones to fight or to die
And there are lives in the balance
There are people under fire
There are children at the cannons
And there is blood on the wire

Neerav Trivedi, you are so wise and your knowledge of astrology is astounding. You are also quite the psychic, eh? That's my impression from your writings.

I am addicted to Daily Kos. I used to go to DU a lot but I find Daily Kos more to my liking. It is extremely intelligent. The community there is something else. So I jump from Daily Kos to Astroworld and my Gemini Moon becomes satisfied for info, more info, more info!!

Yea, verily... the Old Age Martyrs n' Sheeple that simply hung their heads praying... waiting to be "sacrificed" on the wims of their "masters" (pisces)... now, on a flash of new insight n' consciousness (uranus) work for "the betterment of all" (pisces/uranus/aquarius/neptune) instead. Humph! Much better use of the energies imo.

Thanks Laurie, for your kinds words.

I study astrology a lot in my free time and get inspiration from reading other astrology articles, and even seeing for myself how thier forecasts work with my own astrology programs. I'm still an amateur, but I am slowly getting the hang of it. I also have a deep interest in the metaphysical aspects of religion, along with the supernatural and the paranormal and other "occult" subjects, so yeah, psychic stuff is part of it, as I do have an interest in that subject also. I think with the way the last three planets (Uranus, Neptune and Pluto) are working on my natal chart lately, there is the possibility (and it has said it in mumerous astrology forecasts that I have seen) that I "may" develop psychic talents or abilities in this life. I think it is starting to show somewhat, but I still got a "long" way to go in both this and especially in my study of astrology to get to the level of Nancy or Sally. So yeah, that may explain (as you mentioned) how my forecasts are all of a sudden seem like they were porfessionally written (they were never this good before or even half as close to as good as they are now.....well, starting yesterday).

I have been feeling quite wierd inside lately (the last 3 or 4 days), so that may also explain why. =D

In any case, I do most of my forecasts (long-ranged forecasts) involving the outer planets, especially the planets Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, nad the trends of thier positions and movements. I do also involve the inner planets, including the Sun and the Moon, to get a betetr persective on how the long-term forecasts relate to the short-term forecasts that take place in the long-term forecast period.

I'll keep you guys updated if my long-term forecast says anything else abouit the changes happening in the world, especially here in the United States.

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