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HITCHHIKERS GUIDE TO THE GALAXY
It is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it…anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. (Douglas Adams author of “Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy”) There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened. (Same guy as above.) …I'm actually waiting for the mothership. I thought I was up for parole since I've done 55 straight years here on God's penal colony. (Claudia Dikinis) “A Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy” was originally, in 1978, a radio program in England, which led to a book, which led to more books, which led to a TV Series, which led to video games, which led to a movie released this month. When Pluto turns direct in September it will be headed toward the Galactic Center for his first aspect at 26 Sagittarius since the US became the US. He comes right up to the edge for the first time in March and then decides to turn around and beat a retreat, gathering steam before he leaps over the abyss. Look carefully the house Pluto will aspect in your chart as Pluto arrives at 26 Sagittarius. The last time Pluto was at this point in 1760/1761 King George III was crowned (he was insane) the 1st Life Insurance policy was issued in the New World (that’s us) Austrian and Russian troops went into Berlin and begin burning and looting. This one I love, Madame Tussaud, the creator of the London Wax Museum was born. The person who would bring dead people to life was pulled right out of that Galactic Center and was born when Pluto went a calling on 26 Sagittarius. The argument against slave trading was introduced in Europe and American and it would be addressed for over 100 years before Lincoln was forced to do something about this disgusting practice. Unfortunately it has never ended; we continue to enslave our fellow man in a variety of ways. As Pluto has never conjoined the Galactic Center in the history of the US we don’t know what to expect from its traverse. The most recent history was in 1968 when it squared that summit of celestial significance from the US 9th House. There were assassinations with Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr. Protests regarding the Vietnam War, much anger that followed the US right into the 1970’s. What happened to you in 1968 through 1970? I changed directions, started my family, joined the protesters against Vietnam and for the feminist movement against my young husband’s wishes. That period of time was probably the seeds sown for a later breakdown of my marriage when Neptune crossed 26 Sagittarius and Pluto came from the square in my 12th house to roaring over my 1st house cusp. What would the most positive experience with Pluto in Sagittarius be if it was in your: 1st House – May experience the death and rebirth of his ego or psyche many times as he purges old habits. He will be forced to let go of certain inappropriate behaviors that create discord in the environment. Some people have a desire to get to the core of their existence and perfect themselves. By the time the transit is over the person has transformed his personality and gained tremendous self-knowledge, he will ultimately make a powerful impact on his/her surroundings. (Pluto is in the 1st house of the US Chart.) When Pluto transits the 1st House or the Sun you will change and you will never be the same again. 2nd House – Experiences a major transformation of values and resources. The 2nd house is a Taurus house and ruled by Venus. Pluto is in its detriment in Taurus so this might be a more difficult transit. Some spiritual seekers will decide that material assets are unimportant while others will try to ground his need for money into positive results. Depending on the aspects to Venus or the 2nd house issues of greed and base desires come up to be examined and reformed. 3rd House – The person’s ability to communicate is transformed, willpower improves, and the ability to focus on long held dreams and goals. New found writing talent may surface. There is interest in healing through psychology; there is a new found awareness and perception. There will be an examination of everyday habits and how and why she/he functions the way they do within their environment and will eventually make changes. 4th House – Pluto transiting here sets about creating inner stability, security and lasting contentment. The person attempts to create their own reality as opposed to their parents or the society in which they grew and will increase their own integrity. The “mother” may go through intense transformation or even pass over. This can be a difficult transit if it happens when one is a child due to the connections and sensitivity toward our mothers when we are children. In some cases there is great upheaval within the home. 5th House – Life becomes creatively passionate and vibrant with Pluto’s passage here. The potential of intense love affairs, any children born will be exceptional in some way, and the attention of the parent is attentive and intimate, becoming extremely attached to your children forming strong bonds. This is one of the greatest opportunities one will ever have to go forward with their dreams and fulfill their destiny. Pluto is exalted in Leo (natural ruler of the 5th) Never again will the experience of such profound creativity be found, people with this transit should not take their vibrancy and inspiration for granted, because when Pluto leaves this house that kind of creativity will not come again. 6the House – Tremendous organizational and analytical ability and the person will begin to focus on a task microscopically. The caution is not to create nervous disorders or psychosomatic illnesses if, it is essential the person distance themselves emotionally from criticism. It is a transit where one can transform their physical body exploring physical fitness programs, diets, herbs etc. Health issues will surely come up and the person will be able to regenerate themselves. This Pluto transit is indicative of a powerful sustained period of self-improvement. 7th House – Excellent time for finding a guide or mentor but stay away from law suits if possible. The marriage or primary love relationship will be transformed forever, in fact the relationship must change or it will not survive. Tensions within the relationship will surface so they may be dealt with once and for all. If one is unmarried they must be on guard against choosing a mate who is domineering, jealous, controlling or volatile. 8th House – There is only one word to describe Pluto’s transit through this house and that word is transformation, big time. Like the first house or the Sun, the transformation on all level, spiritual, emotional and physical will be profound and complete. Pluto functions well in the 8th House and power is increased. The person will take any criticism to heart and try to perfect themselves, and this entire transit represents a karmic period of renewal and rebirth. 9th House - The real meaning of life takes on supreme importance. A person may become obsessed with a religious or spiritual ideology; they may take foreign journeys or be placed in situations where they interact with foreigners. No matter, they will be confronted with alternative cultures and their world view will shift dramatically. In the beginning of the transit the person’s understanding of life will be called into question in a frustrating or distressing way. By the time Pluto transits out of this house the person will have broadened their view of life and other cultures, gained wisdom and better judgment, developed his faith and found God for themselves. 10th House – This person will become consumed with their individual purpose and mission, embracing their career as never before and the desire for professional success intensifies, leadership skills increases and there could be a belief that they can change the world. There is a possibility of fame or honor, the relationship with the father undergoes a change for better or worse. This person must be careful not to behave in a ruthless manner or there will be enemies ready to destroy what has been gained. 11th House – New groups and friends color this period as the person’s aspirations change. Suddenly they find themselves attracted to intense and influential people who will have an affect on the life for years to come. A champion of freedom and humanitarian causes plus an attraction to welfare societies, mystical/spiritual movements, attracted to new information, facts, ideas and larger issues. Perhaps an interest in science or astrology will develop. 12th House – The subconscious and repressed information take front and center stage now and the person may no longer feel restricted by society’s boundaries. There is an interest in growth and healing (this is the transit the US experienced for the last 20 years.) There is a possibility of remembering past lives and if the person attempts psychotherapy now they will gain a great deal of self-knowledge. Consciously or sub-consciously there is an effort to merge with the infinite. How a person experiences Pluto transiting through a house is colored by the planets and the aspects in that house, the aspects to the ruler of the house and if the energy is being used for the greater good of all. “THE GREATER GOOD OF ALL” is the key to a successful Pluto transit no matter what form it takes. Pluto will tear down the walls that have separated a person from self-actualization. Whether a person hangs on to their past or takes the opportunity to build something new will make all the difference in how that transit is experienced or whether a person thinks they are better off than before. It’s the “cup half empty or half full” theory. The choice is an individual choice. In the US chart Pluto is in Capricorn. Capricorn believes in structures, the hierarchy of systems, they are with a force of character. Capricorns are builders, practical, shrewd, self-made. They are fitted to rule and are happiest when exercising authority and power. When operating at the lowest level of the energy, as in Pluto in Capricorn, they can and will enslave to get their jobs done. It’s Capricorn energy operating at a low level that created the Feudal System of governmental rule. The feudal system, in varying degrees, is one that all monarchies, dictators, heads of Religious Orders, and leaders everywhere have found to be the most effective to govern people. The United States of America was founded on the Feudal System in 1776. Freedom, liberty and justice for all did not extend to slaves. After the Civil War and slaves were reluctantly freed, the Robber Barons begrudgingly found a way to pay starvation wages to those they considered beneath them. Those beneath them included women, children, and Italian, Irish, Chinese, African, and Mexican immigrants. As fair minded “lords” rose to power, and Pluto rounded the heavens, the lot of the masses (still beneath them) rose. We paid our young men more money to die in wars, gave more to the widows and children, and to men who started to fight back, a largess set in for many countries, it seemed to work. Masses of people were happier, cities were cleaner, and food was better and most important the majority of people were more comfortable turning a blind eye toward penal colonies, or what happened to their taxes, or why wars were fought, even why our sons died. In fact we felt so protected we didn’t even see how it would be possible to turn back time to the feudal system of old, the sweat shops, women and children enslaved, a dirty environment, the elimination of a protective environment, including Social Security, safe food, safe water, safe drugs. Up until the late 30’s we didn’t have any of those things until Pluto was in Cancer and the people demanded to be taken care of for the money they were paying, and we may have to wait until Pluto is in humanitarian Aquarius before it is once again addressed in this country. It was not until Washington’s election in 1789 that “liberty and justice for all” was the law of the land (or the dream of the founding fathers was finally in their hands.) Pluto was in Aquarius. Pluto in Capricorn will see the consolidation of world wide domination of corporations. The “bean counters” will rule, but it was also Pluto in Capricorn in the mid 1700’s that minutemen rose up to break the onerous rule of Corporate England and King George’s insane restrictions. Pluto last passed over the Galactic Center in the New World in the 1760’s and the seeds of fomenting dissent were beginning to rise among the “landed gentry” in the New World. They farmed it, they cleared it, they were paying for it and they wanted more control, they used slaves, indentured servants, and Indians to gain that control and they finally achieved their goals in the 1780’s when the Treaty of Paris was signed. Pluto was in Aquarius. We will have to wait to see if Pluto destroys the old damaged Capricorn model in the US and move toward the higher side of Capricorn with a firmer foundation. On thing is for sure, America is slowly, ever so slowly working up to a good fight with her government, just as she worked up to a good fight with her government in the mid 1700’s when Pluto last passed over the Galactic Center. Look for all the positive ways you can use the energy of Pluto in your chart, if you let go of how you believe things must be and embrace your changes, you will find empowerment as the “galactic” moves us along.
Sally Cheyne McDonald on Apr 15 | Link
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sally, i await the union of pluto and my galactic center, but more so, the union of jupiter and my part of fortune(LOL). wonderful post. i can't wait. sounds like wild ride. one question, are you saying that pluto in capricorn will enable the lock down by corporations or that it will cause a massive resistance? thanks for the article and the enlightenment on the galactic center. will watch for hits there. ------------------ on another matter: Pallace18, OM#ingG!, why did you flame me on DU. i'm crushed! may never recover. Posted by: mike on April 15, 2005 07:43 AMMike, I think there will be a backlash against Corporations and the greed, a modern day Boston Tea Party. While we resonate, as the collective to the 7/4/1776 chart as our Independence Day, it wasn't, it was actually a declaration of war against the greed of England. It's interesting to note that the Boston Tea Party (Dec. 16, 1773) had the Sun on the Galatic Center, squared by Saturn and the NN (squares are action)and Pluto was at 21 Capricorn. Anger against England had be rising for several years until it erupted, and I think it will erupt again. It doesn't matter where the oppression originates, England in the 1700's was the "Corporation" and they had a strangle hold on this colony of wealth and rabble alike, not much different than today. Our government and our own "King George" has become the "Firm." There is already a backlash starting against American companies in other countries. Just as England's greed buckled them, our greed will buckle us. Wanna share a cup of tea? Posted by: Sally on April 15, 2005 08:05 AMGreat article, Sally. We are, indeed, heading into a revolutionary period in so many ways. From Marjorie Orr -- The Real Test: Pluto in Capricorn: 2008 to 2024 Challenges Come in Threes -- Certainly, we do seem to be building up to a major climax and clash of epic proportions by the middle of the next decade within the US, if not much sooner. I see the energy crisis, with global production of oil (i.e. Peak Oil) and natural gas peaking at some point between now and 2010, playing a key role in America's very rude -- but necessary -- awakening to our opression. The Exxons, Halliburtons and other Corporate monstrosities bent on keeping up the status quo around the scarcity of fossil fuels are already digging in their heels. But this very action suggests fear of their own defeat and subsequent collapse. Too bad for them; Pluto doesn't take prisoners. And isn't the GOP's Natal Sun at 15 Cancer? If DeLay, Cheney and Bush don't bring them down first, I wonder if Pluto Opposing the Republican Natal Sun at mid-decade will? Posted by: NEOBuckeye on April 15, 2005 08:38 AMA nice cup of tea would be very fine, Miss Sally. Cheers!! ;O) Posted by: JoannaOregon on April 15, 2005 08:38 AMAnyway, the whole complex is much, much far-reaching than the past pluto transit over the galactic center with some corpo tea probs & a few entrepreneurs... the Planet, itself, cannot stand any more bashing & assault. Now, the issues are water to drink, natural food to eat, & air to breathe... the basics for Life... over the whole World. I think the "royal criminals" have built cities underground--with our money, of course--into which they plan to escape a dying Planet... the results of their matricide of Gaia. They'll play chess n' monopoly while dreamin' of past glory days. Far more likely, tho, they'll do each other in. Posted by: JoannaOregon on April 15, 2005 09:05 AMThus the "end result" humanoid of countless centuries of "evolution." WhaddaDRAG. ...unless a miracle happens. Posted by: JoannaOregon on April 15, 2005 09:09 AMI'd love to share a cup of tea, Sally. Posted by: jm on April 15, 2005 09:21 AM
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/04/15/finkelstein/print.html Posted by: wv on April 15, 2005 12:34 PMsally this article is great its just great, one of the best i've seen in a long time, and i just love the quote by claudia dikinis, its priceless, and so funny. its also one of the most informative articles i've read in a long time, and it must have taken you eons of time to write, its so thorough, thank you so much for this generous labor of love you give us! Posted by: Isabelle Ghaneh on April 15, 2005 12:58 PMOh I don't know............anyone who wants the freedom to live as he choses, yet actively works to prevent others freedom of choice; isn't a "whole person". Therefor he may be "self loathing" because he can't put the parts together to make a whole. Clinton didn't express it as eloquently as he might have, but I get his drift. And Pluto through my 5th house was that peak creativity experience, then distructed by pluto through scorpio. So the destruction didn't, improve......but removed! Now I understand! Thanks for the enlightenment! The eclipse/homeless cat, felt comfortable enough to explore, beyond the studio, yesterday morning. She went to the dining room door ( point of entry to the house 6 days ago) stood there looking out for several minutes switching her tail briskly, and then turned, and walked back into the studio. Her choice has been made clearly. Later she felt secure anough to roll kittenlike and expose her belly for scratching! I agree with Isabelle's comment. Good rhythm, flow, and pacing too. A pleasure to read. Posted by: jm on April 15, 2005 01:25 PMCap'n Sally, you wowed me again. There's a depth of warmth to your writing that struck me this time -- a compassion and passion for the subject. Thank YOU!!! Sally - Your articles keep getting better and better. I love you breaking it down into houses. Also, I'm curious about Neo's question: " wonder if Pluto Opposing the Republican Natal Sun at mid-decade will?" Do you see that, and are we talking about this decade or the next? Pray God it's this one because here we are at the mid-point. Posted by: M. on April 15, 2005 02:29 PMOh gosh Sally. This is so helpful, and so well spoken. Every day is started by checking in to read Astroworld. I can hardly remember what it was like not having it in my day. I am ever so grateful for your work and the work of the wonderful astrologers who write here, and come here. This is a wonderful informative community, unlike any I've seen anywhere else. Bottom line Sally, I'm so glad you are in the world. You've certainly made my world a better place. Posted by: Pat C on April 15, 2005 02:42 PMMagnificent article Captain Sally. You have outdone yourself. Many thanks! Posted by: shylurker on April 15, 2005 02:44 PMOkay, I don't necessarily like to follow in the footsteps of everyone else (OO degree Aries Sun, Leo Rising ... harumph!), but it would be remiss of me to not shower Sally with heaps of praise for this latest article. And I actually enjoyed the What House is Pluto Hitting? section. Wonderful for self-described newbies like me. This Pluto will hit my Galactic Center in my 5th House. Okay, that's cool. But a very close friend of mine? His Natal Jupiter SITS on his Galactic Center and Pluto will be conjuncting that!!!!! I'm telling him to buy Lotto tickets!!! LOL (as if I really know what Pluto conjuncting a Jupiter on the Galactic Center would actually mean!) Pat QOP., that cat sounds absolutely friggin' adorable! (sigh) my dog just wants me to feed her cookies all the time. LOL Posted by: Jonathan on April 15, 2005 02:56 PMNeoBuckeye, good question regarding the effect of Pluto opposing the US Sun, that would have been in 1767/1768 however, remember we were not the "United States" at that time, we didn't have a Constitution, we didn't have a July 4, 1776 Independence chart, so the "event" of 1776 would have been thought to have impacted England, and astrologers of the day would have looked (or tried to look) at whatever chart they were taking of England at the time (there are more than a few) Some Astrologers in Europe looked at the birth of Virginia Dare (first child born in the New World) as the beginning of America, and she was born on 08/28/1587 in Roanoke, VA. However, since astrology gives one the gift of hindsight, Pluto was oppose what would become the degree of the US Sun in 1768 and a secret group led by Samuel Adams called The Sons of Liberty,(formed in 1765) began to grow its members by dramatic numbers, drawing men who would later make up a great many of our "founding fathers." Posted by: Sally on April 15, 2005 03:30 PMThe next time you see a business with a "We Support the Troops" sign or a vehicle with one of those "Support the Troops" ribbons, ask the business owner or vehicle driver if they know how their Senator voted on this urgently needed funding for the VA. If they don't know, tell them. Then ask what they intend to do about it. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE April 14, 2005 Veterans Health Care Supplemental Defeat a ëBitter Disappointmentí Disabled American Veterans National Commander James E. Sursely today expressed the organizationís bitter disappointment that the United States Senate blocked an amendment to the $80 billion supplemental appropriation bill to provide $2 billion to cover a critical shortfall in funding for veterans medical care. ìLess than half way through the current fiscal year, Veterans Affairs medical facilities across the country have already run out of money and face huge deficits, an emergency situation if there ever was one, Sursely said. The amendment failed to win approval in two procedural votes that saw just one Republican, Pennsylvaniaís Arlen Specter, along with every Democrat and the Senateís lone Independent voting in favor. The amendment, offered by Senators Patty Murray (D-Wash.) and Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii), would increase funding for the Department of Veterans Affairs by $1.98 billion for the current fiscal year and designate it as emergency spending. Some $840 million of that money would be used to provide each veterans regional health network with an additional $40 million. The amendment designated $610 million to address the needs of servicemembers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan and $525 million would be used to provide mental health care and treatment for veterans. ìVA facilities in every region of the country have exhausted reserve funds to meet critical needs. Many have stopped hiring doctors and nurses because of shortfalls, while still others have cut back or even eliminated medical services. Health care for millions of todayís and tomorrowís veterans is in limbo because Congress and the Administration have continually failed to adequately fund the VA,î Sursely said. Fiore takes on DeLay... http://www.sfgate.com/comics/fiore/ Posted by: wv on April 15, 2005 03:38 PMOh Jonathan....she really is..she has orange curly hairs on her tummy! This morning on her exploratory tour of the house, Clickable link. http://www.dav.org/ Posted by: Pat C on April 15, 2005 03:43 PMPat QOP, In the Truth Is Stranger Than Fiction category, the dog I have who's completely in love with cookies just happens to be named Cinnamon! So, I guess your cat and my dog are long lost relatives? :-) Posted by: Jonathan on April 15, 2005 04:07 PMI wanted to clarify something. The birthdate of Virginia Dare is taken by astrologers and early colonists, not as the New World because it was discovered long before her birth, she was taken as the first birth in the New World as to who and what the people would be like and what would happen to them through the generations Sally...very helpful having all the houses laid out....and interpreted, thanks....Pluto in Capricorn will be in my first house by progression, in the intercepted 3rd house natally....and I think we live in special times, as people did 250 years ago, because we are at the point in Pluto's transit where Pluto has moved relatively quickly thru the signs, allowing more of us to experience more transformation in more houses! MIke! NO IT IS MY part of fortune which is being aspected by Pluto! hahahah...26 deg 44 min. Sagittarius...what are the chances we have the SAME part of fortune ? wow... Posted by: judi gemini on April 15, 2005 04:46 PMGreat article. Sally, you do have a wonderful way with words! Your slant on astrology makes things so easy to understand. 1988-1993 approx....Neptune, Saturn, Uranus all were transiting thru Capricorn....I think what happened then (the fall of totalitarian extremist dictorships worldwide, with lots of dissent from young people) is a kind of preview for Pluto in Capricorn will be promoting. Perhaps the 'coming down to earth' phase for people in this country who haven't been aware of the corporate takeover, having been distracted by Pluto in Sag's empahasis on religion...and religious movements and all the high court jinks. Capt. Sally, tea would get cold between Denver and SF, not that it wouldn't be great......and Claudia is funny, isn't she? Love the reference to our sojourn here on God's prison planet. So, the birthdate of Virginia Dare represents the future of the country following the European invasion? I mean, there was no country then. Just lots of native peoples minding their own business, only to be interrupted (later slaughtered, subjugated and placed on reservations) by the immigrant Europeans. Posted by: shylurker on April 15, 2005 05:30 PMps...I have such a strong belief now, from looking at Pluto's transits (and it rules my chart) that Pluto coming to a conj. with a planet or angle plays serious havoc with you when and if you are out of integrity or on the wrong path. When it actually conj. a point or planet (depending on the planetary significance), the situation seems to immediately resolve! I mentioned before that my daughter got married in 1999 when Pluto conj. her Mars at 8 Sag in the 4th; but up to that point she was having major anxiety attacks (serious, go to the hospital stuff), and horrible years with a previous boyfriend - teaching her what NOT to do in relationship- and then BINGO - a lovely relationship with a lovely young man and marriage and 2 children (but that's another story). And since the point of that conj, his attitude, his life, suddenly got handled....he was promoted, he has a wonderful new land lady who loves gardening, so he will have a huge patch to work in, and BINGO...a door opened to a new path. I only wrote this because it seems so consistent, and real.... and not theory.....Pluto transforms our attitudes and circumstances in order for the life to arise once again. Did the same for me when Pluto squared my natal Pluto/MC.... Posted by: judi gemini on April 15, 2005 05:41 PMNo Shylurker, not the future of the country, she represented the future of the people as a whole and how they would evolve. When they would be enslaved, when they would prosper, when they would go through troubled times and most important how the collective would react to events that happened to the country. In fact the Colony Virginia Dare was born, disappeared and it seems as if they went to live with the Croatan tribe later known as the Lumbees. Anyway her chart is used as the foundation of American People and how they might react to events happening in this country. Posted by: Sally on April 15, 2005 05:47 PMJonathan,How did you choose your dog's name? Does she like cinnamon flavored cookies best? Sally, you wrote: My granddaughter (4 yrs on May 24) keeps talking about 'when she was mommie's age' or when she was 'my age' (meaning me), and how she did all these things...her favorite phrase is 'when I was YOUR age'....she has retro Mars at 27 Sag in the 12th. She, last year, would pop up suddenly and say to me: I am going to be a doctor when I grow up....no conversations with her led to these sayings. But Uranus was squaring her Sun/Sat conjunction in Gemini at the time! Sally....I vaguely remember Virginia Dare....I am wondering why the birth of this child would signify all of the history of those following? I am a desc. of the first white child born on Nantucket, and she and her husband were the first white couple married there....which wouldn't mean much historically speaking, as it happened that she was born in 1644 or 45. Too late to signify much (maybe for Nantucket!). I am just wondering about WHY.... Posted by: judi gemini on April 15, 2005 06:04 PMPat QOP, We named her Cinnamon because she's a gorgeous Cinnamon red color. In fact, people often joke that she's a SuperModel Dachshund because of her beautiful face, her unusually (for a dachshund) long legs and her trim little waist line. Sure to turn heads whenever we walk. Now, if only her Daddy could turn as many heads (or is that "any heads"), life would be perfect. LOL Oh, Cinnamon is also a Leo ... VERY much a LEO!!! :-) Posted by: Jonathan on April 15, 2005 06:18 PMJudi, I wasn't really around, not that I know of, in 1587, but astrologers in England marked her birth (like the birth of a nation) as the foundation of the people in the new world, they did that simply because she was the very first recorded European born in the New World, much as astrologers today mark the "first" time of anything as a foundation chart. Example the first bomb dropped on Iraq in 2003, the first time Congress was seated. The first oath of office for a new term. Anyway, Virginia Dare was the "first" recorded birth in this country. Posted by: Sally on April 15, 2005 06:35 PMSo, in casting a chart for an event that you're beginning and that will have a definite "end", do you use the time when you started the project as a birth time or when you finished the project as the birth time? This has always confused me! :-) But, then, so do Mentos commercials. Posted by: Jonathan on April 15, 2005 07:06 PMThanks so much, Cap'n Sally for clarifying that. I descend from some of the eastern NC native peoples and have looked into what remains of their history. From the evidence that exists, it seems very probable that the colony was absorbed once they sought help in desperation. I'll be among the first in line whenever (if ever) they refine DNA analysis enough to determine the tribes and bands from which we descend. Posted by: shylurker on April 15, 2005 07:19 PMThe event beginning is the start time Jonathan Posted by: Sally on April 15, 2005 07:25 PMHi, I haven't written here before, but this article, and comments by Marjorie Orr, NeoBuckeye, and others of you fit in with what I've been reading this week about peak oil. Although I've been reading stuff on the internet, where you can find all kinds of craziness, I think this is for real. And I'm scared to death to learn how central oil is to everything, and what is likely to happen as it becomes scarcer. Chaos, armageddon, famine, die-off. Not only that, but my son I think has Leo rising, which would put Pluto in his 4th house, and the paragraph says this placement may indicate the mother may "pass over"--but hey, the "mother" in this case is me! (I will have Pluto still in 9th house but almost at mid-heaven. Gemini Sun in 3rd house. [Nothing happened that I know of when Pluto was opposite my Mars, at about 4 degrees Gemini.]) As Eeyore says, "thanks for listenin'." Posted by: Marcia McCann on April 15, 2005 08:24 PMCORRECTION. I mistakenly put in Roanoke, VA and it's Roanoke, NC also there is some dispute regarding Virginia's birthdate, I have Aug. 18, 1587 in my files but the other day I saw that a museum had her listed as Aug. 28th, not trusting my own files I changed it, well I am changing it back to Aug. 18, 1587. Marcia, don't worry about those "death aspects" with Pluto. One time everyone of my children and myself had astrological Pluto "death aspects," in fact they were so severe a friend of mine took our charts to a famous astrologer in England and she cautiously said "is this woman still living" Thanks for the article. Sally, Jill G Talk about Pluto in Sag. Pluto conjuncted my natal Moon about two years agos, and my father died. Funny, with my Moon in the 2nd, you would think Pluto would wreck havoc on my personal property or personal finances. It didn't, but it caused much loss to my family. However, I learned alot about myself with Pluto on my Sag Moon. I agree about Pluto in Capricorn. I think we will start feeling the Moon in Capricorn even before it starts its entrance into the sign. I really believe that Bush will not finish his second term in office, and I wonder if this is just another Plutonian event that will change the political structure (of course, not including the saturn/Jupiter conjunction in Bush's first term chart.) Posted by: Travieso on April 15, 2005 10:30 PMjudy gemeni, i hope you get just filthy rich when pluto hits your part of fortune! send cash! (lol) Posted by: mike on April 15, 2005 10:42 PMThanks, Sally. When the alligators are mostly subdued am going to check archives for the info re Venus' 12 year back-and-forth to see how it fits with Pluto. Now Pluto is conj my natal Venus. (I've got natal Pluto in Cancer in the 3rd opposite natal Moon 25 Capricorn.) Everybody interested in John Bolton ck out Kos …I'm actually waiting for the mothership. I thought I was up for parole since I've done 55 straight years here on God's penal colony. (Claudia Dikinis) Me too, Claudia!! Posted by: devin on April 15, 2005 10:59 PMit's amazing Pluto just passed into my 8th at 24 Sag--and I am already sensing a huge shift--it will eventually conjunct my chiron/moon in Cap- 8th House – There is only one word to describe Pluto’s transit through this house and that word is transformation, big time. Like the first house or the Sun, the transformation on all level, spiritual, emotional and physical will be profound and complete. Pluto functions well in the 8th House and power is increased. The person will take any criticism to heart and try to perfect themselves, and this entire transit represents a karmic period of renewal and rebirth. Posted by: devin on April 15, 2005 11:11 PMThanks Sally, I know that you have been looking at the Galactic Center and tPluto's coming conj there for sometime and that you gave a tremendous amount of time and energy to this article. We are aware of the wide spectrum of historical events you have studied --- they rise up in your words. Some time ago, you commented that you are not a writer... well, either Pluto has been transforming your talents, or you are very modest, for you are an excellent writer. Thanks for the house breakdown and the POSITIVE POV... I try to remind myself that Pluto represents transformation - not death - but so many of us humanoids have the two words 'melded' as Spock would say! Observation and study of my own individual chart has shown that the outer planets have 'gone before' tPluto and done pretty much what tradition says... that is, Uranus 'awakens' --- strikes like lightening --- Neptune 'dissolves' ... and along comes tPluto and ROTS to the core. I have come to believe that the only thing I have any control over is my attitude toward what has happened... I can either be in meltdown, or fight it (to no avail) or go with the flow and accept the result (sort of like when I was born!)... therein I think lies the 'rebirth' ... the ancients say that the answers to the mystery or mysteries lies all about us --- too obvious to see perhaps --- like the change in seasons, day to night... we 'die' each night when we fall asleep and are reborn each morning when we awaken... tPluto does more than move the furniture around in a certain house... and we each live through the upheaval of only a few houses... i.e., my granddaughter's life has seen tPluto START where mine will probably end (if I live that long!)... so, we will each have seen the flipside of tPluto... Pluto through my 1st house was glorious... moving through the second it replaced the material things I cast aside... but in the third, I lost two siblings and a nephew... in the fourth I lost my Mom and will probably lose my Dad before it moves to the fifth... but the fourth house losses are part of the natural cycle, not some unexpected event, as the third house deaths were. Pluto is unpredictable imho... and perhaps the 'transformations' are individual... that is, unique to the situation of the entity. I don't think Pluto should be 'feared' --- if change is feared, then one will have adjustments. As for the country, the collective... it is not tPluto that is creating this mess... it is those who seek power who are using and abusing this powerful energy... and creating a mess... imo Posted by: Jo on April 15, 2005 11:21 PMPluto just left my eighth house, and this description could not be more accurate. I have never responded to criticism before in the manner I did recently, and the improvement in my character even stuns me. Posted by: jm on April 15, 2005 11:25 PMPluto delivers what you didn't even know you wanted. He is the keeper of all the wealth in the world. Hidden treasure. And he wants you to partake, once you have let go of all you don't need. He also protects the Elysian Fields, the eternal paradise, where you are welcomed if things turn out that way. I always thought it fascinating that paradise in Greek and Roman mythology is in the underworld, not in Heaven as in Christian thinking. Posted by: jm on April 15, 2005 11:31 PMAnother interesting fact is that this paradise exits right within the Hellish goings-on of Hades.They are known to sing and dance with joy there while the others scream in agony. You never know with any of these cosmic characters. They are magicians. Posted by: jm on April 15, 2005 11:43 PMWall St Suffers Worse Day in Two Years http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050415/ap_on_bi_st_ma_re/wall_street IRS Reels under Tax Revolt Google on Pluto transits OK...Here's Pluto. Jo just posted the stock market drop. When Pluto just left my eighth(investments) it conjoined my Jupiter. A voice loud and clear told me to get out of the stock market. I did. Entirely. Not that I know where the market is going, it just was not for me. The emotional agony hooked up with something I couldn't control that swung up and down in bipolar madness. Posted by: jm on April 16, 2005 12:12 AMHey jm, Pluto right now just leaving my second house, has given me the intuition to slim down my finances. I have paid off so many bills. Thank god I did with the higher inflation. Posted by: Travieso on April 16, 2005 12:41 AMThis subject is so interesting to me, so here I go, before I go out to buy some mushrooms. Pluto in Capricorn... I think the corporations have gone into cancerous growth phase, marked by fast excessive growth kicking healthy cells out of the game, the healthy cells being small businesses. The Pluto transit should restrict consumer spending, especially if the Sibley chart is accurate, and that might be the suffocation of the cancerous cells. The corporations are desperately trying now to kill small business. The survival instinct of the society should be strong enough to accomplish the control of the cancer. Pluto brings the long-standing disease to the surface where it can be countered. The corporations have grown too big to feed and maintain, and they are trying to destroy the very thing that insures their survival...us. Posted by: jm on April 16, 2005 12:55 AMThanks much, Travieso.... that verifies my theory about Pluto in the USA second house. Posted by: jm on April 16, 2005 12:57 AMFinally... the money I took out of the stock market I invested in a small but growing grass roots local business. Steady income, collateral included. Posted by: jm on April 16, 2005 01:12 AMMike....you BET I'll send cash.....and I hope I get filthy rich too....! Thanks, and you too! Posted by: judi gemini on April 16, 2005 01:27 AMInterestingly, the US government has moved "Voice of America" to communist China, Hong Kong. This was done to save $300K/yr. Are they expecting something bad to happen here? Shylurker, have you seen this article? DNA study of human migration Benjamin Pimentel, Chronicle Staff Writer With a swab of cheek tissue and $100, you may be able to help scientists figure out how humans spread out across the earth. I read a profile of a fellow in CA who submitted his own and his wife's DNA to a lab to determine what his particular back ground was....and got his results back in short time. His wife's, however, didn't come back...he contacted the lab, and somewhat sheepishly that said they had gotten strange results for her and thought they had screwed up....her DNA showed that she was from an obscure CA native American tribe.... Perfect....SHE WAS!!!!! Posted by: judi gemini on April 16, 2005 01:34 AMJo...had to laugh....you wrote "when pluto was in the first house it was glorious"...which just proves that it depends on what planets are being aspected by that journey! When Pluto went into my first house, it squared natal pluto, Venus and the MC....I got fired from my job on my 40th birthday, my dog died, I had a psychotic break, bronchitis, my bosses at work started publically humiliating me in meetings, and my relationship started assaulting me. I was also a giant psychological wreck, thanks to a Uranus opposition to my natal Uranus, sun/Saturn conj. also doing it's number on me....glorious for me? I think NOT...hahahahah....but a year later I was making enormous amounts of money (compared to where I had been).... Posted by: judi gemini on April 16, 2005 01:43 AMJM...do you know about Catherine Austin Fitts and Solari? Her whole approach is that the coming financial breakdown of corporations should be countered by investing locally....sounds like just what you are doing. Wish your little voice had whispered to ME! Posted by: judi gemini on April 16, 2005 01:46 AMSally, I haven't been reading here all that long, but I can say that, reading your articles, I sense a deep grasp and understanding of the big picture and the ability to articulate it via both astrology and politics and I feel a sense of respect for you as an authority that is rare for me to feel. RE: above posts regarding these points on others' charts, I have Jupiter at 26 Sag. And who said Pluto's passing over her ascendant? Me, too (22 Sag 37). When retrograde is complete, Pluto will be just shy of opposing my POF at 20 II 37; and it's right now trining my 8th house Leo Uranus at 24 deg 21 min. So I'm waiting here, and I feel like I'm stuck in a box or something. I've been intending to write a book for seven years! and working on it oh so slowly -- self-discipline is in the toilet. And I'm feeling restless, like I want to do something, get out, be social, do good work (like write the darn book) but, well, the most accurate description I can think of is that I feel spiritually/emotionally/psychologically constipated! And I've been bothered by fairly frequent headaches and almost complete lack of energy. (and what's with all the bathroom references? Good thing this isn't a psych site! LOL!) In the past, I tended to just go along and figure the time wasn't right, so I'd wait till inspiration and energy returned. I feel unable to do anything but wait now, but I keep feeling (or maybe it's thinking) that I "really ought to get off my butt and get to work!" But I feel like I can't force myself. Returning to the recent eclipse for a moment, my husband, who had several hits from that (conj Mars in 9th, trine Saturn in 5th, widely opposing Jupiter, sextile 7th house Aquarian moon....he seems to me to be blooming wonderfully from unsure, reserved guy who keeps to himself to expressing more freely and frequently his cleverness and intellect and sense of humor. It opposed my MC. And I'm just sittin' around waiting... Posted by: Lori on April 16, 2005 01:55 AMLori....I don't know if you physically 'walk'.....you know, take walks...so this sounds like stupid advice...but over 20 years ago a psychic told me to WALK....because that is when your physical body makes contact with the earth and grounds itself, letting all the negative energy go down the grounding cord and out of the aura, allowing your spirit to also communicate more clearly ....at any rate, it can unconstipate on all levels! Posted by: judi gemini on April 16, 2005 02:04 AM//www.world-of-wisdom.com/04_articles/2005/02_middleeast.htm Democracy in the Middle East Pluto in Sagittarius has done for religion what Pluto in Scorpio did for sex. Up to 1983 (when Pluto moved into Scorpio) sex had been a taboo yet exciting pastime - if you were unlucky you could get venereal disease, but it certainly seemed the worth the risk. With the onset of Aids, sexual habits were radically reformed, because promiscuity could lead to death, which did not seem worth the risk. After 1995, (when Pluto moved into Sagittarius), Muslim fundamentalism began to be perceived as a threat, with concrete acts against the USA taking place as early as August 7, 1998 when the U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were simultaneously destroyed by massive explosions.
More.... Posted by: Pat C on April 16, 2005 02:25 AMCorrected link Judi, THANK YOU for the advice, I will make a point of walking much more than I do now, which is not nearly enough. (funny, a psychic said the same to me: "walk." Your words strike me more strongly. Thanks again!) Do you think it best to walk with your thoughts, or ok to walk with music in your ears? Also, I hope I didn't abuse this discussion board. After bemoaning my own little state of affairs, I identified another piece of the puzzle(besides the one Judi identified for me), which allows me to work on fixing that, too. Pat C., What an interesting article and what a great common "matters of life and death" thread in it! WOW! That really struck me hard. Posted by: Lori on April 16, 2005 03:30 AM***HARRY REID, D, NV, DEMOCRATIC SENATE LEADER*** This dog hunts! How better to say it? ----------- I am disappointed that in an attempt to hide what the debate is really about, Senator Frist would exploit religion like this. Religion to me is a very personal thing. I have been a religious man all my adult life. My wife and I have lived our lives and raised our children according to the morals and values taught by the faith to which we prescribe. No one has the right to judge mine or anyone else’s personal commitment to faith and religion. God isn’t partisan. As His children, he does ask us to do our very best and treat each other with kindness. Republicans have crossed a line today. America is better than this and Republicans need to remember that. This is a democracy, not a theocracy. We are people of faith, and in many ways are doing God’s work. But we represent all Americans, regardless of religion. Our founding fathers had the superior vision to separate Church and State in our democracy. It is a fundamental principle that has allowed our great, diverse nation to grow and flourish peacefully. Blurring the line between Church and State erodes our Constitution, and our democracy. It is a blatant abuse of power. Participating in something designed to incite divisiveness and encourage contention is unacceptable. I would hope that Sen. Frist will rise above something so beyond the pale. Posted by: mike on April 16, 2005 03:40 AMGee I've posted Harry Reid's birth date several threads back. Another wonderful article Sally. Thanks so much. Pat QCP, thanks for the insight on Reid. his father suicided when he was six. imagine that, living out in the middle of nowhere, having to ride to school an hour each way, and having no support for the loss or trauma. there must be some heavy duty resiliance in that chart, i mean serious placements and aspects. cheers attn. wv, quido stole my car tonight, left a voice mail saying he was headed for charlston. Posted by: mike on April 16, 2005 05:41 AMhttp://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050502&s=klein Naimi Klein Posted by: Pat C on April 16, 2005 06:27 AMOops. That's Naomi Klein. Posted by: Pat C on April 16, 2005 06:37 AMhttp://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/11407689.htm Bush administration eliminating 19-year-old international terrorism report The State Department decided to stop publishing an annual report on international terrorism after the government's top terrorism center concluded that there were more terrorist attacks in 2004 than in any year since 1985, the first year the publication covered.
More... Posted by: Pat C on April 16, 2005 06:48 AMMike, Reid is no joke. If there is an underlying theme for his life, "resillience" might come close to describing it. The guy is fearless. And Nevada is by no means a political cake walk. It might be among the most politically brutal in the Union. With the death of his father at a young age, I think he leared pretty early on how do deal with life, and that has carried him far and well. He is a Mormon, and is personally anti-choice, but respects the pro-choice party platform, saying that he has no right to legislate his personal views (take a hint, Tom DeLay). He has, however, taken a stand for issues such as stem-cell research, where the Mormon Church still remains in conflict. He respects and balances the separation of church and state with conviction and backbone, and so the windbags, hypocrites and cowards of GOP have nothing on him. There was a good article about him, I think at Raw Story once. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find it. Here's one at Salon, though: I'd like to know more about his aspects as well... Posted by: NEOBuckeye on April 16, 2005 07:15 AMCaptain Sally Said to NeoBuckeye: "...good question regarding the effect of Pluto opposing the US Sun, that would have been in 1767/1768 however, remember we were not the "United States" at that time, we didn't have a Constitution, we didn't have a July 4, 1776 Independence chart, so the "event" of 1776 would have been thought to have impacted England, and astrologers of the day would have looked (or tried to look) at whatever chart they were taking of England at the time (there are more than a few) Some Astrologers in Europe looked at the birth of Virginia Dare (first child born in the New World) as the beginning of America, and she was born on 08/28/1587 in Roanoke, VA." *** That's very interesting, Sally. I didn't know that some astrologers trace the "root" of "America" back to the first colonial child ever born here. Is 8/28/1587 the true "birthdate" of the US that we should be going by for all astrological transits and aspects? Is the 7/4/1776 chart even relevant to that which we know as the United States today? Or is there another date more significant than either of these? Posted by: NEOBuckeye on April 16, 2005 08:05 AMAnd it was a very for some things. Me tooo. Dec 29, 1939 and I have 29 Sag rising. So this may be another interesting year.bjt Posted by: Betsy on April 16, 2005 11:32 AMAnd it was a very good year for some things. Me tooo. Dec 29, 1939 and I have 29 Sag rising. So this may be another interesting year.bjt Posted by: Betsy on April 16, 2005 11:34 AMAnd it was a very good year for some things. Me tooo. Dec 29, 1939 and I have 29 Sag rising. So this may be another interesting year.bjt Posted by: Betsy on April 16, 2005 11:35 AMI have not had a thing to drink she said but only those under the bed understood her meaning.bjt Posted by: Betsy on April 16, 2005 11:38 AM
Senator Frist is to appear on a telecast sponsored by the Family Research Council, which styles itself a religious organization but is really just another Washington lobbying concern. The message is that the Democrats who oppose a tiny handful of President Bush's judicial nominations are conducting an assault "against people of faith." By that, Senator Frist and his allies do not mean people of all faiths, only those of their faith. It is one thing when private groups foment this kind of intolerance. It is another thing entirely when it's done by the highest-ranking member of the United States Senate, who swore on the Bible to uphold a Constitution that forbids the imposition of religious views on Americans. Unfortunately, Senator Frist and his allies are willing to break down the rules to push through their agenda - in this case, by creating what the senator knows is a false connection between religion and the debate about judges. Senator Frist and his backers want to take away the sole tool Democrats have for resisting the appointment of unqualified judges: the filibuster. This is not about a majority or even a significant number of Bush nominees; it's about a handful with fringe views or shaky qualifications. But Senator Frist is determined to get judges on the federal bench who are loyal to the Republican fringe and, he hopes, would accept a theocratic test on decisions. Senator Frist has an even bigger game in mind than the current nominees: the next appointments to the Supreme Court, which the Republican conservatives view as their best chance to outlaw abortion and impose their moral code on the country. We fully understand that a powerful branch of the Republican Party believes that the last election was won on "moral values." Even if that were true, that's a far cry from voting for one religion to dominate the entire country. President Bush owes it to Americans to stand up and say so.
Hi there Betsy, How is life in China? Good to hear from you... and yes, we know you have not had anything to drink! Our generation has had an accelerated lesson with Pluto... as Judi Gemini reminded us recently, we have had time with Pluto in more houses... Posted by: Jo on April 16, 2005 01:38 PMNeoBuckeye. Not the "country" or the "government" but the "people" of the US. The type of people they are, how they might respond to new things, or to events happening, it's a chart for the "collective intelligence or the sum total" of humanity in the US. And I am sorry, I made a mistake on the date it's 08.18.1587 Posted by: Sally on April 16, 2005 03:48 PMChiron sits in my first house at 27 Sag (My asc. is 6 Sag) so I am more than a little worried about that one . . . hmmmmmmmm . . . Cap'n Sally, thanks for the great article. A few days ago, I decided it was "time" to quit smoking. I am going to find the right date, within the next week, to put the fags down. I wonder if it is related to Pluto hitting my Chiron next year. Posted by: Laurie on April 16, 2005 05:34 PMAlway great, informative, timely info Sally, kudos. Does a Black Hole make only conjunctions and opposite aspects? Pluto/GC is now conjunct asteroid Icarus 9H, the lover of meditation and flights of fancy. Noticing how I get burnt out if there is too much divergent activity going on at once in my life, studio, especially now in a busy travel season to do workshops. Find meditation really calms my daily work stress. Posted by: bhakti on April 16, 2005 08:06 PMBhakti, the Galactic Center is 26 Sagittarius, Pluto won't even reach that point until February 2006, Icarus will be long gone. These aspects unleash over a long period of time and the Asteroids are very subtle in their application. I expect the need for meditation is more related to a Neptune aspect to another planet such as an inconjunct, semi/sextile, sextile etc. either transiting or progressed or SA. I would take only the conjunction and opposition to black holes, other astrologers might take additional aspects, however thus far I've only seen events or actions related to the conjunction and a lesser degree the opposition. I only use a 1 degree orb either side of the conjunction with the applying orb (25 Sag.) being the most powerful. Some astrologers only use a half a degree and I agree with that somewhat. There is another problem however, Pluto's transits are erratic and can be off 5 degrees one way or the other. Posted by: Sally on April 16, 2005 08:56 PMWoops! Thanks Sally, Pluto really changes us for the long term so I know the cooking as been taking place until I'm 'tender' enough to shake off the layer ;-) Posted by: bhakti on April 16, 2005 09:08 PMSally: Not the "country" or the "government" but the "people" of the US. The type of people they are, how they might respond to new things, or to events happening, it's a chart for the "collective intelligence or the sum total" of humanity in the US. 08.18.1587 vcz: OMG, that's too funny. Using my "usual methods," the FIRST two things which hit me would be that "this person" would be very materially oriented, and money would be more important than most other things in life. "This person" would also have an overwhelming "need" for fame and adoration/adulation. Does that describe the "collective American," or what... Posted by: vcz on April 16, 2005 10:13 PMI just went to astrodienst and noticed my part of fortune is 26 Sag and my Chiron is 0 Cap (to be transited by Pluto in a few years, at the same time squaring nSaturn & opposing nUranus at 6 Cancer. Hmmmmm....) My husband has Jupiter at 28 Sag, conjuncting my POF (?) I think my Vesta conj. my husband's Venus & opposes his moon. I never considered these things before. As far as Harry Reid, Astrodienst shows his natal positions as: Sun 9 Sat 44'37" No astrologer I, but the things that jump out at me are the Saturn-Moon trine (emotional stability, right?), the Pluto trine his Sag Mercury (quite a thinker/investigator), the preponderance of courageous fire signs (including the intellectual, quick-thinking Mercury in humanitarian, legalistic Sag.), as well as the Pisces placements - a fighter for the Underdog! How timely! How sorely needed. I also have Mercury in detriment in Pisces and never seem to have the physical endurance and energy I would like (but I would like a neverending supply as I get obsessed at times - Leo/Pluto moon opp Aq Mercury). So Harry has to pace himself. Venus in Cap would help him be emotionally disciplined. Lastly, does the 19 Cancer Chiron relate to the U.S. and *? Posted by: Sharon on April 16, 2005 10:57 PMI forgot to mention that my POF at the 26 Sag Galactic Center is in my 6th house. I have been organizing like crazy, we are having home reconstuction, and I'm trying to work my way into a more disciplined work and exercise structure. (Also, tLibra is retro in my 4th house :-) I hope that I have a huge health & work breakthrough!!!! And talking about the 6th house ruling small animals, we acquired the dearest puppy in the world. Such a wonderful disposition. Our other small animal is middle aged and doesn't want to be bothered so he keeps escaping to his favorite refuge, the crawl space of the house next door. Posted by: Sharon on April 16, 2005 11:31 PMHello Marcia! "Hi, I haven't written here before, but this article, and comments by Marjorie Orr, NeoBuckeye, and others of you fit in with what I've been reading this week about peak oil. Although I've been reading stuff on the internet, where you can find all kinds of craziness, I think this is for real. And I'm scared to death to learn how central oil is to everything, and what is likely to happen as it becomes scarcer. Chaos, armageddon, famine, die-off." It all seems very timely, doesn't it? Or is it simply more that these issues were with us all along, and the transits of the planets are now bringing them to the forefront of our consciousness? We've been running out of cheap oil since the day the first well was drilled in Alberta, Canada, way back around 1860. Depending upon your perspective, the ruin of our environment could have begun much, much earlier, or very recently within the past century. Perhaps we never really cared to notice before until now? Or could it be that there is something now forcing us to wake up and pay attention? As Pluto inches back and forth through the later degrees of Sagittarius, gradually moving ahead on its way towards Capircorn, it would seem as a prelude that issues of the sustainability of our infrastructure -- with Capricorn representing structure -- are beginning to rise to the forefront of our interest. From the extensive and ever-decaying interstate network of roads and bridges that we use to travel and ship goods, to the sprawling enclaves of suburbia that extend perhaps way farther than they should into the countryside or the desert (of all places). From the overextended, fossil-fuel dependent layout of the electrical grid that we use to power our homes and businesses, right down to the infrastructure that produces and brings food to our stores. Pluto is eventually going to call it all into question. Pluto is death and destruction, mowing through and cutting down and away the aged, decayed, obsolete, non-efficient and non-functioning, and yet leaving in its' wake a chance for rebirth, renewal and NEW growth. The United States (and many Western World "Democracies") have become aged, decayed and non-functioning in matters of government, organization and infrastructure. When Pluto transits Capricorn, a whole lot of this is going to be CUT DOWN. But just as Spring follows Winter, there will be a time for renewal and reconstruction. Of course, I should add that Pluto is PERMANENT (Thanks, Pallas). We are not going to see more of the same emerging in its wake. Pluto brings about PERMANENT change and transformation of ALL that it touches. Yes, Peak Oil is real. (What's that, you say? You never bought into all of that abiotic crap? Yes, even if Mother Earth does replentish her reserves over time, at the rate human kind is sucking it out of the ground, when would she ever have a chance to do her thing?) But at any rate, let's face it. Oil is going, going, going away... Kiss it goodbye, as we will never, ever see it again on this planet in such excessively large quantities. Good riddance, I say! And good riddance to Big Oil, the military-industrial complex and all of the big government and corporate monstrosities that feed on it, even at the expense of humanity, the biosphere and Mother Earth herself. Okay, so they might not all be going away entirely. At least not the more savvy ones who see the writing on the wall and are making plans to survive and adapt in the post-oil world. But it certainly won't be "business as usual" for the existing corporate structure for very much longer. After all, who needs to co-opt the government to fight and kill anyone in the middle of the desert for the energy in that slick black stuff when you can pull it directly from the Sun via solar panels, a technology that is rapidly improving, or by hydro or wind turbines, or even by new nuclear breakthroughs? Did you know that Sol basks Terra in more energy in 1 single second than the total amount of energy that has existed, or ever will exist in the planet's oil reserves? Did you know that cost-effective technology already exists and could be readily available for plug-in cars that can travel up to 150 miles on one charge and recharge in less than 10 minutes? Why do we clog highways with our cars for mind-numbingly long road trips and fly the unfriendly skies in cramped, gas-guzzling, worrisome monstrosities like planes, when a high-speed train could carry us in peace and comfort to our destination in a comparable (vs. plane) or fraction of time (vs. car)? How many Americans and Iraqis are needlessly dying in Iraq right now for the cabal of rich, INSECURE and amoral's desperate bid to maintain their choke-hold on power for just a few more fleeting years? Almost makes you wonder what is really driving THEM so much lately? I guess Pluto in Capricorn could feel and appear to have all of the makings of a genuine crisis for those so desperate to cling to the status quo at all cost. It's not going to be very fun at all for them, and will probably seem to them as if the world -- their world -- is coming to an end. In a way, it will. Someone please ask them just what is so wrong about growing food locally and organically, rather than shipping it 1500 miles by truck and plane from some petro-drenched, genetically-modified field of abominations? What's so wrong about walkable communities, re-centralized towns and cities, light rail and trains? What is so wrong about non-petrol-based transport and travel solutions? What's so wrong about conserving, trying to do much more with much less? (Sorry, that's my Natal Moon in Capricorn speaking.) On Peak Oil/"Die-Off", Marcia, I've read the sites and I freaked out for awhile, too. But then I realized through further research and reading that we aren't at all hopeless. Each one of us, already possess the solutions, just as we've more or less possessed them all along. I'd say about 75 to 90 percent of the answer is in changing our perspective on life, living and our world. The rest is outside influences that you may or may not be able to influence or control. But if you focus on what YOU can do, you are already significantly better off for doing so. The crisis manifests itself when you continue to sweep problems and issues that you should have been adressing all along, under the rug. Address those problems now, and you will still fare much better later on than you will if you choose to do nothing at all until the "Day of Reckoning" comes. That's as true of individuals as it is of nations and corporations. (Keep an eye on the US and the EU over the next few years, as they are both taking very different approaches to our Energy situation.) There's a very, very excellent book by Thom Hartmann on the necessity of changing our perspectives about our world. Take a look at The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight. Read it, and you'll see that oil scarcity is not our biggest problem. Far from it, in fact. Our perception of our world is our biggest problem. Changing it is our biggest challenge. And therein lies our real salvation. Posted by: NEOBuckeye on April 17, 2005 12:19 AMNEOBuckeye, you're right... the problem is how we have been reacting to the scarcity of oil... I've brought bad news about GM here several times. It's not just GM, it's the Big Three (or what WAS the Big Three)... this diary at dailyKos says it all very succinctly... about WHY they're going under... and why we will be driving Chinese automobiles in the future. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/4/16/103034/846 Posted by: Jo on April 17, 2005 12:45 AMNEOBuckeye & Sharon, thanks for the info on Reid. I'll check the chart out. NEO, I like your take on Peak/Oil. Worrying about this is in the same league as someone in our Office of Patents and Trademarks saying, aboug the turn of the century, tha most of the major inventions were out there and we shouldn't expect much more. Hello, earth to "morans," we're an evolving species. Necessity is the Mother of Invention. Guess how quickly our engineers and researchers would be engaged when it's obvious that we're about to run out of our main source of energy. Posted by: mike on April 17, 2005 02:42 AMIt occurs to me that, as Monaco has seemed to be a real as well as symbolic 'heart' for the wealthy old guard european power establishment, it might be interesting to look at the future course for Prince Albert to symbolize the fortunes of the super rich and financial institutions etc. associated with Monaco. And that would possibly include some 'management' figures who pull political strings elsewhere in the world. I found his birth info as March 14, 1958 10:50am Monte Carlo. *******THEY ARE OFFICIALLY INSANE******** THIS MEANS WAR. UNBELIEVABLE. THEY WANT TO TORTURE OR KILL INNOCENTS. IS THIS WHAT THEY MEAN BY THE "CULTURE OF LIFE"? ----------------------------------------------------------------- * 16 April 2005 DEATHS from cervical cancer could jump fourfold to a million a year by 2050, mainly in developing countries. This could be prevented by soon-to-be-approved vaccines against the virus that causes most cases of cervical cancer - but there are signs that opposition to the vaccines might lead to many preventable deaths. The trouble is that the human papilloma virus (HPV) is sexually transmitted. So to prevent infection, girls will have to be vaccinated before they become sexually active, which could be a problem in many countries.
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/sex/mg18624954.500 Posted by: mike on April 17, 2005 04:02 AMPosted by: mike on April 17, 2005 02:56 AM This is the link to the link. Yikes!!! http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1400331 Interesting.........his (Prince Albert's) part of fortune must be in the 7th house then in aries. I wonder what that means for his marriage? Since mine is also in that house I looked it up last night. It means, happiness and fulfillment will be complete with a partnership??? Wonder if he will now find a good wife? Has he been sowing his wild oats knowing this day would come, when he would bear the burden of the kingdom? I met an Artist from Oregon, who had met a French woman, while working for Disney studios in France, married her; settled in Roque Brune, on the hill above Monaco, and was supporting her, his 2 daughters, and his in laws, very nicely with gallery sales of his paintings. He was friends with Albert, and said that he was very serious and focused on the pursuit of his hobbies. ( In spite of stories about his wild bachelor life) Pat QOP, I did Albert's chart at astro.com - it came up with Gemini rising, aries POF in the 10th, Sag saturn in the 7th with pluto transiting now. Posted by: Jeanie on April 17, 2005 04:30 AMOops sorry, aries POF in the 11th Posted by: Jeanie on April 17, 2005 04:35 AMJen has a libra rising. Whoops I got Albert's 7th house by inverting her chart. It's late and I'm tired! What then does that say for Albert? He will be happiest working with groups and organizations? His hopes have been realized finally? PQOP Posted by: Pat QOP on April 17, 2005 05:04 AMThis is a good observation imo... ;O) * ...The Part of Fortune is a sensitive point in the horoscope of personal importance because it is arrived at by mathematically manipulating the Sun, the Moon, & the Ascendant. This holds true even for night-time births. While modern computer-generated horoscopes automatically calculate the Part of Fortune, it is a good idea to know how it is calculated. As an example, let us take the horoscope of President Bill Clinton. He was born Aug 19, 1946 at 8:51 AM Central Standard Time in Hope, Arkansas. To calculate Bill Clinton's PoF, we shall add his Moon to his Ascendant & subtract his Sun. His Ascendant is 5 deg 31 min of Libra. Zodiacally, based on a 360 deg circle, this is 185 deg 31 min. ... Bill Clinton's PoF is 29 deg 49 min of Gemini & ... here is the surprise ... Hillary Clinton's Ascendant is 29 deg 40 min of Gemini. They were born in different years, in different cities, but they have a connection that transcends time and space. ... Mike, I saw that article earlier regarding the lost texts and the ability to interpret them now. I was over the moon, this is such an exciting discovery, I can hardly wait until they can release their findings. They said it would go pretty fast with the technology they have. How fortunate, how exciting for us. Posted by: Sally on April 17, 2005 07:45 AMLost Gospels, eh? Hmmm... I'm sure that might throw more than a few Christians into a tizzy, to find out that the Bible might not be as complete as they had been taught in Sunday School to believe, though I'm sure the RW fundies try and find some way to censor or outright discredit them (i.e. "It's all the work of Satan!"). As someone noted at DU, it would be interesting if some part of the lost books was specifically devoted to chastizing and denouncing the bigotry and nasty, hateful behavior of the so-called "Christian" Fundamentalists running amok and wreaking havoc in the US right now. For all of our talk above about Pluto transiting Capricorn, looks like he's not quite done with Sagittarius yet. This is quite a revolutionary discovery, and I'm sure that it will eventually throw Christiandom into much debate and upheaval. Didn't Michael Lutin predict some critical event in the works along these lines for Fundamentalist Christianity before Pluto left Sag for good in 2008? Maybe it will lead us back to a more reasonable, spiritual approach, I certainly hope. Posted by: NEOBuckeye on April 17, 2005 10:52 AMI've had enough gospels to last me 50 lifetimes. I'm leaning towards Taoism. Posted by: jm on April 17, 2005 11:27 AM
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/04/17/MNGBBCAF8K1.DTL&type=printable Posted by: wv on April 17, 2005 12:06 PMRemember the Dead Sea scrolls? Well, it's been 50 years (give or take a year) and they still won't release their findings. hmmmmmmmmmmm. Guess you know why that is, don't you. What has leaked out ALREADY throws the 'bible' into a tizzy! Don't you wonder about something called the 'bible'? the word translates from the Greek, no less... means 'book'... Yehoshua or Yeshua, in Greek Joshua, in English Jesus, which means, "he will save" --------- Years ago Yankees moved into this area, started buying up 2-acre tracts and NAMING them... you know, as the landed gentry did in Europe... or O'hara might have done in Georgia (according to Margaret Mitchell) --- 'Tara'... it was pretentious to say the least... one very wealthy woman who had transplanted herself here decades ago, had hundreds of acres in the 'country' (extended city, really!) and a house in town where exotic animals lived and walked about. Folks would sell their heritage just for an invite to one of her parties. She herself wore jeans most of the time and drove a small yellow Toyota pickup --- with the words "The Farm" emblazoned across the front door... I always thought that just the right put down for all the folks with false airs... Sorry to sound so cynical... but I didn't like what Hesiod had to say the first go round (he --- if there was a 'he' ---- was a patriarch... of the first degree. Was 'Homer' a single or collection of entities? Was 'Hesiod'? There's already enough controversy out there with what we have... imho, western civilization took a wrong turn when it began genuflecting to the 'Greeks' --- who NEVER were WESTERN, but EASTERN... Sorry for the rant. It's just that I'm so tired of the worship of the word... old tattered worn out words at that... how 'bout some new words? DOWN WITH WAR... It's evil... out with * (same reason) Posted by: Jo on April 17, 2005 01:09 PMJoannaO, Pat QOP here is an online calculator for the Arabic parts, note that it's a different calculator for a day or night birth and a night birth is judged by the sunrise/sunset. (that is if you are doing it strictly by the Vedic system, I do because the Western Division doesn't seem to care about it one way or the other.) I haven't used this but it seems to me to be a good tool. http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/arabicparts/index.php Posted by: Sally on April 17, 2005 04:08 PMPat QoP Google up Elaine Pagels Dead Sea Scrolls and check out some of the links... she has done extensive work in trying to uncover the 'coverup' --- I have done research into the matter and come away with the conclusion that for obvious reasons, they are NEVER going to release the findings... too much impact on not only Christianity but Judiasm... never happen cap'n... Posted by: Jo on April 17, 2005 05:11 PMFrank Rich: Get Tom Delay to Church on Time The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: The Constitution.... The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Great article Sally, and title too! My kids and I are fiecely looking forward to seeing this movie!! (Opening April 29) Found something for all you folks who've been asking about buying gold:How to invest in gold online http://www.ameinfo.com/57539.html Beautiful weather we're having, hope ya'll are enjoying some too!!!! Posted by: Peg on April 17, 2005 06:10 PMForgot to add, the galactic center is in my 6th, opposing my nVenus in the 12th. Maybe a great new fantastic love will come from the shadows to offer me a great new fantastic job?????I Love you guys............... Posted by: Peg on April 17, 2005 06:12 PMJo, certainly emphasis on ancient Greeks, and later Romans, has skewed the view of Westeners. Proximity alone had a lot to do with and conquests a hell of a lot, I rekkin. But there are parts of Hesiod that are too delicious to ignore. In the Theogony, we are told the story of the birth of Aphrodite (Venus). I offer this brief synopsis (and urge all to read it since I'm certainly not capturing all the richness). Gaia gave birth to everything including Ouranus, "the starry sky" (and not the planet who got named Uranus). For deities and royalty, of course, incest was never much of a problem. Accordingly, each evening Ouranus would spread himself across the great body of Gaia and she would conceive and give birth to all creation (the ether, the oceans, and so on) and the gods themselves, the Titans. At one point, however, she was trying to give birth to three of the children sired by Ouranus but Ouranus was so afraid of these children that he kept pushing them back inside Gaia, who convulsed (earthquakes, volcanoes?) with pain. She finally delivered those three and, afterwards went to her other children, the Titans, and implored them to avenge her. None wanted to; after all, Ouranus was their father, regardless of how terribly he had treated their mother. She finally talked Kronos (Saturn) into doing the deed. She hid Kronos in ambush (I wish Hesiod had told us exactly where, but, alas, he did not) and, later, when Ouranus began spreading himself over the great body of Gaia, Kronos sprang from his place of ambush, wielding the sickle Gaia had given him and lopped off Ouranus' "members". Kronos threw his father's lopped-off "members" onto the sea where they floated and from them spread a circle of white foam from which sprang--Aphrodite (Venus)! So, you see, the quintessential symbol of femininity, Aphrodite, was created as a result of terrible violence wrought by one male (the son) upon another (the father), who was her sole parent. Aphrodite was strictly a male creation. This story speaks volumes to me. Posted by: shylurker on April 17, 2005 09:20 PMI have Mars in 22-23 Pisces and Venus in 24-25Pisces, both in the 10th, which squares the Galactic Center which is also supposed to be on my POF (right?). Would that have something to do with a great career opportunity? Although my MC is in Pisces, my 10th also encompasses Aries. I read Marjorie Orr on the eclipse advice for Cancer rising and she spoke of being proactive in my career in the next few months and not relying on luck, etc. Lots of career emphasis. Anyone have any thoughts on this? We deduced that my new puppy was born about Dec. 17 which would put his sun at 25 Sag., falling in my 6th house, house of small animals and squaring my Mars/Venus conjunction. He also has Uranus at 3 Pisces, conjunct my sun in 0 Pisces. No wonder we have such as special relationship and, although I love him madly, he is such a royal pain right now. Posted by: Sharon on April 17, 2005 09:21 PM
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/041705X.shtml Posted by: wv on April 17, 2005 10:35 PMSome social darwinism at work? BBC reports: Kabul street children may lose 'nest' Afghanistan's internationally renowned charity for street children, Aschiana, survived the Afghan wars of the 1990s and the Taleban era. Aschiana, which means "the nest" and provides support, food, education and a refuge to 10,000 street children, faces the closure of its main centre in Kabul. It is the victim of rocketing rents and land prices rather than artillery. The charity's compound on Char Rahi Malik Asghar, which it has occupied since 1997, has been sold by its owner to an international company. A five-star hotel will be built on the site. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4441503.stm Posted by: Jo on April 17, 2005 10:55 PMAre we smart enough to solve our country's problems? " Here is something that may prove to you that you are smarter than I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was So from now on my innumerable typos will be posted wiyjout guilt or redret. Those are for real! Posted by: jm on April 17, 2005 10:59 PM
Tue Apr 12, 4:10 PM ET By Steven Thomma, Knight Ridder Newspapers WASHINGTON - Simple and direct like the man who put it there, it was a bold statement that summed up his approach to leadership and represented a value of the generation that helped him build a new America after World War II.
"The Buck Stops Here," said the no-nonsense sign on President Harry Truman's desk. Today, it sits in a Missouri museum. And with it perhaps the sentiment it represented.
Post-World War II affluence produced a mobile society, one that tore up the roots of closely bound ethnic communities in central cities. Many moved to suburbs where neighbors didn't automatically know neighbors and didn't necessarily share the same culture. People didn't feel as responsible to strangers as they did to those who'd known them - and might judge them. The divorce rate shot up. The number of people living alone escalated. As Robert Putnam noted in his landmark 1995 book, "Bowling Alone," the number of people who bowled rose, but the number who did so in organized leagues dropped. The fabric of American culture highlighted by membership in organizations, noted by Alexis de Tocqueville in the 1830s, came apart. "People begin to live in a way where they don't share a lot of symbolic meaning with the people near them," said the Rev. John Staudenmaier, S.J., a historian at the University of Detroit Mercy. "They don't want to share. They don't come from a world where the commitments you make bind you." Popular culture echoed the changes with the rise of the anti-hero. The voluntary Hays Code, which prohibited movies from glamorizing crime, was dropped. So was the Television Code, with its prohibition against showing criminal behavior being rewarded. Even the Comics Code Authority, with its requirement that good must always win, faded. Americans adopted a new post-1960s attitude that society - not the individual - was to blame for errant behavior. They created no-fault divorce and no-fault auto insurance. Increasingly, they also turned to lawsuits to blame others for their own choices. Former President Bill Clinton personified the trend. When first accused of having an affair with a former White House intern, he angrily denied it and then-first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton blamed a "vast right-wing conspiracy." After he was caught lying under oath to conceal the affair, he lashed out at the politics of personal destruction. In his presidential library, he avoids personal responsibility and devotes most of an exhibit on his impeachment to blaming Republicans for trying to unseat him. By the time he launched his presidential campaign in June 1999, George W. Bush, too, saw a problem. "My first goal is to usher in the responsibility era, an era that stands in stark contrast to the last few decades, where our culture has said: If it feels good, do it, and if you've got a problem, blame someone else," Bush said. "Each American must understand that we are responsible for the decision each of us makes in life." But he hasn't taken responsibility for failures in his government, nor has he assigned it to those who work for him. To be sure, finding people responsible for failure during wartime is sometimes controversial. During the Civil War, Abraham Lincoln was constantly second-guessed by congressional committees. Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee said one of those committees was worth two divisions to his side. After Pearl Harbor was attacked in 1941, the government investigated and punished several senior military officials. Similarly, at the height of World War II, then-Sen. Truman led an investigation into war profiteering by American businesses, exposing shoddy work and saving billions of dollars and thousands of lives. After the United States was attacked in 2001, Bush resisted attempts to find flaws in the nation's intelligence or security apparatus. Once he relented, investigations found fault, but Bush didn't assign responsibility or take it. Investigations also faulted intelligence services for wrongly stating that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction before the United States invaded. Again, Bush didn't assign responsibility or take it. In fact, policymakers who expressed skepticism about parts of the administration's case for war weren't asked to return for Bush's second term, including former Secretary of State Colin Powell and his deputy, Richard Armitage. Those who publicly or privately trumpeted the false intelligence were either retained or promoted, including Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld; then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice; her former deputy, Stephen J. Hadley; and Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby. After it was revealed that prisoners were abused in the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, Bush condemned the practice. Rumsfeld offered to resign, but Bush rejected the offer. At a recent congressional hearing, a senior military investigator said top U.S. officials had failed to set clear rules for interrogating prisoners, but he added that it wasn't his role to assign responsibility. In business, high-flying, highly paid executives presided over a corporate culture that some critics likened to the Gilded Age of the late 1800s. "The CEO became a cult hero," said Todd Gitlin, a sociologist at Columbia University. "The CEO class came to believe what the cover stories said about them, that they were sublime geniuses who made vast amounts of difference in the success of their companies." When Worldcom's Ebbers claimed he wasn't responsible for financial crimes committed at his company - a defense other indicted executives planned to use - it signaled what Gitlin called a moral collapse. "If you think that being the CEO and being rewarded gets you off a hook rather than on it, then your moral principle is that ignorance is bliss," Gitlin said. One thing that's allowed the powerful to abandon responsibility is lack of societal pressure. In 1996, Republican presidential candidate Bob Dole discovered that voters were uninterested in fund-raising abuses at the Clinton White House. "Where's the outrage?" Dole repeatedly complained. Gitlin attributes it to the cult of personality. "There's been a metastasis of celebrity," he said. "Celebrity is taken to be a moral position. To be a celebrity is to transcend mere categories of good and evil." Staudenmaier, the historian, said people are distracted. He suggested that's what happened in the Roman Catholic Church. "When you're paying more attention to the definition of doctrinal correctness, which has been the case for 20 years, you find people looking past the question of whether people are doing a good job with the power," he said. At the same time, he said, Americans became more exclusively focused on profits in business and on the war on terror in government. Said Staudenmaier: "You take your eye off the ball and you get bad behavior."
This is good, wv. One thing about Sagittarius is its sometimes recklessness, abandon, devil may care, there's no tomorrow, free for all behavior. That's why Capricorn and its responsibility comes next. I think we've seen some of this in the extreme with Pluto in Sag. As a result, I think there will be sorely needed honest and responsible leaders coming up, and they will stick out in the public eye, since they are such an anomaly. I would most of all love to see some movement away from cheap celebrity worship. Underneath it all, people want to bring their icons down. Posted by: jm on April 17, 2005 11:50 PMWV....When first accused of having an affair with a former White House intern, he angrily denied it and then-first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton blamed a "vast right-wing conspiracy." After he was caught lying under oath to conceal the affair, he lashed out at the politics of personal destruction. In his presidential library, he avoids personal responsibility and devotes most of an exhibit on his impeachment to blaming Republicans for trying to unseat him. EXCEPT, OF COURSE, THERE REALLY WAS A VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY TRYING TO UNSEAT HIM. Clinton has always in every other way told the truth....I sure as hell don't blame him for lying on this account. But this bunch now really are the worst examples of back biting blame it on everyone except themselves sorts. Very unenlightened. Posted by: judi gemini on April 17, 2005 11:51 PMSally - A very interesting article. Thank you. I have not used the Galactic Center before in my work. Do you see it as a sort of vortex of energy, intensfying what it touches? Or is there a further definition to it? What exactly is it? Regarding Frist, he has a Saturn Neptune conjunction natally with transiting Saturn exactly square his Neptune right now and for the next week. I think he will have cold water thrown all over his outrageous overstepping in the coming days. Posted by: Nancy on April 18, 2005 02:23 AMCarl Pope of the Sierra Club has a blog now....referred by Josh Marshall...http://www.sierraclub.org/carlpope/ Posted by: judi gemini on April 18, 2005 02:28 AMNancy....glad to know about Frist's square transit. He is odious. His father/brothers own Columbia Health Care, the biggest health care network in the nation....and it is the subject of the biggest amount of Medicare fraud cases...about 1 billion worth.... Posted by: judi gemini on April 18, 2005 02:31 AMThanks Nancy, I hope you are right about Frist, they could all use a good dousing of cold water, and I don't know how much cold water will have to be thrown over this country before they say STOP. The last time Pluto was at the Galactic Center was in 1759/1760 and as it relates to the formation of the US the Sons of Liberty formed as a secret group to begin the discussions of what to do about England and King George. I see the Galactic Center point as more of a fomenting point the bubbling of change. There isn't any going back with Pluto, but there is the possibility of taking control of how we go forward and that's what happened in the late 1700's. The "Sons of Liberty" started the dialogue of what changes they wanted and how to accomplish those changes. It was 15 years before their plans came to pass, and if it takes 15 years for us, that would put it just in time for the next Jupiter/Saturn Conj. in Aquarius and at the exact time Pluto is making a Pluto return in the US Chart. Posted by: Sally on April 18, 2005 02:37 AMI should have mentioned, for GOOD NEWS read Carl Pope's blog at the Sierra Club....I posted the link before I read the blog! Posted by: judi gemini on April 18, 2005 02:37 AMThanks for the clarification, Sally. In early 2006, when Pluto makes its first conjunction to the GC, Uranus will be square the US Ascendant. Sparks could definitely fly next year. What is the exact degree and minute of the GC?
judi - That Carl Pope blog is wonderful. I am glad he is hopeful. A few drops have splashed on me. What is so interesting is that it is not just the blue states that are taking things into their own hands, at least economically and environmentally. Stem cell initiatives and civil unions are still only in the blue states. But these other initiatives are coming from all over. Posted by: Nancy on April 18, 2005 03:52 AMSally thanks for mentioning the Sons of Liberty. I remember the group, but completely blanked on what they did. So a core group formed to figure out what to do about insane King G.....we can only hope we get the caliber of people that group had. Nancy....we can only hope Frist fizzles out. I don't think there could be a better group of people than these rethugs to represent the kind of people who bring about the fall of an empire...or so called democracy. Criminally stupid....arrogant and SPENDTHRIFTS....and above all, trying to take us back in time 100 years!!!! Posted by: judi gemini on April 18, 2005 03:54 AMhttp://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/041705A.shtml American Thermidor Part II
Before I go further, let me say that I have enormous respect for Former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin - he is a genius in understanding the financial markets, and stands along with Bill Woodin and Alexander Hamilton at the top rank of individuals who have ever held the post. However, history is what happens when one is making other plans, and the economic program of Bill Clinton's presidency is a perfect example of how close one may come to success, and yet fall short. The "New Economy" is the term applied to the digital economy, and particularly to the use of the internet; as with the phrases "New Politics" and "New Media," it points at the enormous potential of the world of digital communications to change how people live and participate in society. The "New Economy" rose in response to the flow of technology, much of it developed by government, and to an economic program which history will call "Rubinomics." What was Rubinomics, and what contribution did it make to the period of prosperity in the 1990s? And why did it end with a bubble and a radical change in the direction of American politics? The key to understanding what the Clinton administration did is to remember what the vicious cycle consists of: America must import energy, this causes a trade deficit. The trade deficit, in turn, means that the US must sell assets abroad, this creates an investment deficit. To bring investment in means that one must also cut taxes on the wealthy, so that companies remain under the control of Americans, rather than being bought up by foreigners, particularly those from nations that do not have internal economies. This creates a budget deficit. More... Posted by: Pat C on April 18, 2005 03:59 AMNancy....I love his analogy (Carl Pope) I mean....about the armies looting and pillaging and forgetting that the victims aren't DEAD YET....no, we aren't.... Pat C..going to go read Thermidor right now.... Posted by: judi gemini on April 18, 2005 04:07 AMI don't know if this very interesting piece on Kos was posted here in the past few days. Sorry if it is a repeat. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/4/16/103034/846
Even conservatives are starting to wake up to the fact that there are few international threats that can match up to the internal threat represented by our regressive auto industry. Conservatives have regularly defeated efforts to raise the CAFE standards, arguing against government intrusion in the private economy. I consider myself a conservative, but it's time to recognize that our national security is being threatened by Detroit. The Big Two automobile giants offer plenty of explanations, from soaring health care costs to rising gas prices and creeping interest rates. But consumers and industry specialists say G.M. and Ford have swerved off course for a more basic reason: not enough people like their cars. The deal to import up to 250,000 Chinese-made cars annually beginning in 2007 was finalized Dec. 16 at Chery's corporate headquarters in Anhui Province in eastern China, Bricklin told The Detroit News in an interview. Posted by: Nancy on April 18, 2005 04:12 AMAh, Sally what a wonderful article, your wisdom inspires me. You stike a chord Sally and have me recollecting what I was doing at the square (1968-70). I find it fascinating how our personal experiences of a transit interface with the collective movement of the people/america. Like you I was very active in the anti-war movement and volunteering long hours establishing a free women's clinic. The concerns and desire for a better (alternative) society dominated my life and my friends. In many ways those times feel more connected than ever to the current unfolding. Many have complained that we activists gave up and I hear sometimes that we are held responsible for the greedy state of our current society. But I believe that a quiet revolution has been continuing out of sight. So much has changed since 1970. Who then knew a Buddhist or a vegetarian? What woman then could have natural childbirth? In 1970 only 8 women were admitted to my university's medical school. Some of us slipped away still dreaming and looked for ways to make the new world. Quietly I homeschooled my son, now a common practice, earned a doctorate in homoeopathy who even knew of such a thing thirtyfive years ago? Like Mike, I believe we are very capable of transitioning after this global-oil economy declines. When I stop by this wonderfilled astroworld where you and others share profound wisdom, it seems we have no shortage of folk who have talent and zest to create a beautiful next pattern. Perhaps your positive attributes of Pluto in the houses provides the magic for dispelling fear (the real enemy) This is my dream for pluto's lesson going though the galactic center; how to turn the unknown into a fearless adventure....reminds me of hitchhiking through europe in the 70's not knowing the language never sure where we'd end up but it sure was fun! tseka Posted by: tseka on April 18, 2005 05:02 AMThe Galactic Center moves slowly it's at 26 Sag and will not reach 27 Sag until the next millinium. It's the heart of the Milky Way Galaxy. Alex Miller-Mignone says "it's the source of the beginning and the end of the journey, the cosmic womb/tomb which birthed our system and which will one day in the far distant future reclaim it." Philip Sedgwick wrote the most about it in "The Astrology of Deep Space." It's an interesting journey in time to go back to the history of Pluto particularly hitting that point. Such revolutionary actions beginning there. Which makes me wonder if our "revolutionary"efforts begun in 1760 will be re-absorbed. We will have to wait and see. This is some information written by Philip regarding the Galactic Center and his website If this isn't enough, several black hole systems and anomalistic pulsars in the vicinity of the Galactic Center have been notably active of late. Given Pluto's slowly increasing pressure on this point, the installation of new, progressive insights would be well considered. The unending reminder over the next few years states that rehashing old ideas at best provides dogmatic left overs. The rapid changes in science, Universal Understanding and society demand that spiritual technologies grow in proportion to the physical effects of life. The use of the leading edge insights will minimize tactical blunders in the campaigns of consciousness. Above all, the Galactic Center emphasizes nonjudgmental evolution, open-ended belief systems and dramatic shifts in consciousness. http://www.astrologyguild.com/galactictimescurrent.htm Tseka, you are so right there are truly brilliant and talented people who visit this site, including you, what gifts everyone brings. Posted by: Sally on April 18, 2005 06:09 AMI forgot, the Galactic Center is where Vedic astrologers say we receive our wisdom and light, even though we are still in the Kali Yuga (yuga is Sanscrit for age)for about another 10,000, according to Vedic astrologers, and the Kali Yuga is considered a dark age, not sure I think we are that far, but no one knows if we are or aren't Posted by: Sally on April 18, 2005 06:24 AMOooooooh... a beautifully scented breeze just blew in. tseka, Sally... you are two women of grace. Thank you. Posted by: jm on April 18, 2005 10:45 AM
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I had a conversation at dinner yesterday with my husband and father wherein I felt I was in a time warp --- now I know how the Germans who saw Hitler coming felt... The old adage about don't ask for what you want, you might get it? Something told me not to pull that loose piece, now that 'hut well thatched' is all asunder... Shylurker, is there still room under the bed? I'm going to bury myself in clearing out the house (within and without) --- word has it I'm 'moving' --- certainly not off the wheel, but ... Carl Jung said you take it with you --- your bag of deeds, that is... the rest is what drags us down. So I'll be under the bed meditating while I clean house... y'all call me when it's safe to come out. Posted by: Jo on April 18, 2005 02:32 PMoophs! Forgot... my Mercury has a message sure to get a chuckle from Joanna. The Guardian is keeping up with the 'selection' --- "Weeks of feverish speculation and intrigue in Rome will enter their final phase tomorrow when 115 cardinals begin to elect a new pope in the most exclusive and secret ballot in the world. http://www.guardian.co.uk/pope/story/0,12272,1462205,00.html ----------- So, Joanna, it's Pope Rat, God's rottweiler...? Posted by: Jo on April 18, 2005 02:38 PMJo, did you say you were moving? Would you like for us to send wreckers to just bulldoze all that past out of the way so you can make a fresh start? and do you have a say in this move? Cardinal "Rat" may think he has the inside track but I'm not so sure, he is not liked by the American Cardinals (except maybe Cardinal Law) Posted by: Sally on April 18, 2005 02:52 PMLast night and most of yesterday was one of the stranger days I've had...the bathtub drain has once again backed up in the apartment, after running perfectly for 3 weeks since it last backed up....my job was postponed, I was really alone all day....and still battling allergies and end of cold. I saw the story of the 7 story high wave hitting a cruise ship in the Atlantic....remembered that a piece was going around about a wave which was supposed to hit the west coast and wipe our all of CA, making Denver beach front property....Sally....this means YOU! hahahah I sent the wave story to 2 friends who do cruises....and then got this from someone else... Reports are reaching us this early morning from Russian Navel Forces that a much Both Russian and European seismic monitoring stations and organizations are Reports of huge Atlantic Ocean waves due to these series of earthquakes are also The strangeness of this NBC News Service report should also be noticed that To the continued de-stabilization of this area we can also see reported by the They also have caused damage to countless others, contradicting the long-held In my April 6th report titled "Concern Rises for United States Eastern Coastal The Seismic Network of the Russian Academy of Sciences is currently estimating And now today as we are evidencing these events, not to the 'stability', but As the many months of warnings preceding the Great Tsunami of 2004 in the Indian Sally, I'm not sure if I have a 'say' --- I got the 'word' intuitively... and I don't know what kind of a move it is... could simply be huge transformation of the spirit or it could be of the physical. All that I do know is that I am driven to 'clean' house... and looking at all that lies at my feet, YES, I could use a few wreckers... none of the 'stuff' is worth keeping anyway! Maybe it's simply all my Moon/Venus energy shifting... which would be a good thing... Gemini sits at my MC, so I'm comfortable living two places at the same time (don't go forming any conclusions :) I'm not schzoid YET! Just a Gemini, it goes with the territory, right Judi, Morgana? As for the cardinals... the only ones I've been watching are in my backyard... busy cleaning the feeders now... as for the humanoid variety, I jez report... Mercury driven! But since when did the American cardinals matter? Aren't we the bane of the church? :) Sorry for filling your broadband with such malarky, simply feeling alienated from my country and I'm afraid it's not a temporary feeling... got to deal with detachment, though, right? Posted by: Jo on April 18, 2005 04:11 PMJudi Gemini, I just read your post above. Good Lord, girl, you sure know how to get folks stirred up... is that what my feelings of 'movement' are all about? Is the land shifting under my feet... [there's a song somewhere, I feel the earth move... :)] Now I know I'm going under the bed, as soon as Shylurker lets me know she has a vacancy... Posted by: Jo on April 18, 2005 04:18 PMDo not miss JMM's April 18th, 1:13 am article on talkingpointsmemo.com He is speaking Truth! in that article and it should have the widest possible circulation. And, Jo, we always have plenty of room under the bed. Just drop by whenever you wish. Ouida Mae is concentrating on appropriate Southern furnishings which, of course, will be in place for you. Posted by: shylurker on April 18, 2005 04:50 PMYea, verily, Jo... we haven't been wearing our "tin hats" correctly adjusted if we still believe in "free elections" most anywhere. The fix has been in for a long time with the old pope in favor of Pope Rat... my intuition tells me that they've been poisoning Mr John for quite some time... you know, it's a given hazard of "doing Pope" in the first place. Nope-pope... these are desperate times for all supremacist patriarchal nasty old wisdomless war/sundry microbic geezers to (haha) "rule the World" as THEY'VE always liked it for the past 4500 yrs. We shall see... (...here a pope, there a pope, everywhere a pope, pope...) bushadruggie is a kind of pope, too. It ain't a pretty picture. ;O) Posted by: JoannaOregon on April 18, 2005 04:59 PMShylurker, It's indeed a comfort to know that Quida Mae is preparing a space for me... if anyone knows the requirements of a Southern gal, she certainly does. Please don't fuss too much, but I prefer white and other delicate colors, certainly no red. A little patchouli incense, and of course lavendar, lots and lots... but no fuss... and yes, I will go now and read JMM --- tell QM I'll be in AFTER lunch, no need to bother herself about food, just a little crab salad and a dry sherry will be fine, later. Posted by: Jo on April 18, 2005 05:08 PMthe papacy is ripe for tinfoil hat speculation...thanks Jo (both) Jo in NC....movement....I posted that before I found out there WAS also an earthquake in the SF Bay area yesterday....no wonder I was feeling out of sorts....and today is the 99th anniversary of the '06 quake in SF.... Posted by: judi gemini on April 18, 2005 05:11 PMMaybe WE should run a papacy pool....will all of our pessimisim be rewarded with cardinal rat becoming pope rat? Or will a surge of progressive fervor elect someone not so doberman like in terms of being doctrinaire? One thing to remember....the more restrictive things are, the more people will rebel. We may be at that point where the restrictive has more power than the progressive...thereby leading to a certain rebellion. (Thomas Wolfe was right...you can't go home again....) Posted by: judi gemini on April 18, 2005 05:15 PMSpeaking of surprises, has anyone taken a look at what the Basque state is doing? Looks like the Communist party (which was endorsed by Eta, the separatist insurrgent group responsible for all the bombings and killings over the last 45 years) gained a surprised number of votes....weakening the current presidents party. as for our own elections....how can anyone trust them EVER again? Posted by: judi gemini on April 18, 2005 05:20 PMHey all- On the "popefuls", anybody know what time the CONclave started? That might give us a chart to go on. Keep up the great posts everyone, namaste, and TRUTH! Posted by: Garry on April 18, 2005 05:32 PMSabian Symbol for 27 Sag...CG... This is a symbol of creative ability as the manifestation of self-consciousness in its maturity of realization, dramatized by an irresistible desire to endow all life with some enduring potentiality. Here are the enlarged horizons which follow from an individual's mastery of his own particular talents, and from the expanded vision which he must develop and share with his fellows if he is to posses it for himself. He is able to idealize nature because he has brought her to subjection. The keyword is IMMORTALIZATION. When positive, the degree is exceptional self- expression through a gift for building all experience into a personal fulfillment, and when negative, callous impersonality and overambitious pretensions. (we must be in the negative phaze) Posted by: judi gemini on April 18, 2005 05:40 PM"He is able to idealize nature because he has brought her to subjection." Hahahahahahaaaa!! Tell THAT to a tsunami, volcano et al. Haid trippin' boyz are past amazement. Posted by: JoannaOregon on April 18, 2005 06:09 PMTime to do something about TIME. They JUST PUT ANN COULTER ON THE COVER. Why would they do this? She's marginal, not too popular. How does this hapen; they are obviously trying to build her up. When I complain to the media, I like to send a ltter to the business people and not the editor, i.e. send it to subscriptions. Here is some information. You're all like me, I suspect, in that you don't subscribe. That's no reason not to tell them, now you'll never do it! CONTACTING TIME SUBSCRIPTIONS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT COULTER. This link is to an email for for subscriptions. That's better than letter to the editor because they are the ones who put this "moran" on the cover. Subscriptions will do something with your letter either: BTW, I sent this to Archive "contact" by mistake at first and just got a personal reply 3 minutes later. On this link, just check the box "other" if you are not a subscriber but you want to give feedback about never subscribing or whatever. https://secure.customersvc.com/wes/servlet/Show?WESPAGE=am/Services/wes_email.jsp&MSRSMAG=TD My letter: The Coulter cover story just cost you a subscription. I'd subscribed in the past and was going to re-up for my office. Now, no deal. It's US News, which would never put this lunatic on the cover. You guys are obviously shills for the right wing. Coulter on the cover makes no sense whatsoever. You should be ashamed of featuring a non-news figure who advocates violence. You have sunk to a new low. Thanks in advance for the auto-generated reply saying you don't have time to read my message. Posted by: mike on April 18, 2005 06:14 PMOh, Jo, Ouida Mae knew already, of course. Only the nicest creamy whites with light pastels. We're having a bountiful crop of lavendar this year, so plenty of that. Piedmont honeysuckle is also being prepared to bloom for ya. (Glad to hear from you because I was a tad concerned I might have offended with my Aphrodite post of yesterday.) Posted by: shylurker on April 18, 2005 06:17 PMI would love to hear personal accounts of pluto transiting your mercury. It will be getting both me and my husband 27 degrees and 28 degrees sag.. mimi Posted by: mimi on April 18, 2005 06:29 PMGo to americablog, Mike. They also posted a fake picture, et al., featuring a picture of a right-wing front group calling itself conmunists for Kerry. Time to shut down Time. Posted by: shylurker on April 18, 2005 06:35 PMRight Shylurker, TIME is certainly part of Corporate Media... As for offending... posh, you could never do that. I appreciate your POV... thanks for the honeysuckle, that's a nice touch. [the non- Southerns on the board must be shaking their heads! There are some really wonderful things about the South... else why would so many folks come here, huh!] Mike, looks as if we're going to have to tear down Corporate Media to the ashes... Posted by: Jo on April 18, 2005 06:49 PMMy Phila. cousin, has asthma following the flue. 2nd time this has happened. What is happening with the air down there????? Judi Gemini, I use Lynda Hill's Sabian Symbols... she uses Marc Edmonds... try this for GC: *** SAGITTARIUS 27 *** THE SCULPTOR'S VISION IS SLOWLY BUT SURELY TAKING FORM You may find yourself in a situation where you are able to manipulate events into something of value and lasting integrity. Slow, painstaking work will bring rewards as things come to fruition. You are able to project shape and form onto materials to have a desired outcome. Follow your 'vision', be creative; picture an outcome and watch it materialize! The Caution: Disregard of others' needs. Unnatural focus on goal. Being one-eyed about the goal. http://www.sabiansymbols.com/oracle.htm Posted by: Jo on April 18, 2005 06:59 PMIf you need a belly laugh and just a teensy bit of satisfaction, that's all of us Coulter fans, check out.... Time uses fake photo for Coulter story http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/4/18/125241/426 btw that T. Pluto will smack my MH...deep breath. Jo...interesting Sabian symbol....and I still say, politically, we are experiencing the negative aspect!
Judi Gemini, Negative? Maybe... the vision I get is of the Wicked Witch of the West in meltdown, only this time the Witch is a structure, a system ... and He/It certainly doesn't have the (shoes) power. We had (shoes)it all along... I'm just waiting for tPluto to finish bringing it all to a rotten core, meltdown... and then we can click three times and start again. Patience, we're not there yet... Posted by: Jo on April 18, 2005 09:01 PMthanks for all the suggestions you guys....I am hoping the eclipse on 4/24 will put an end to all the illnesses. My ears were so messed up on Sunday that I was deaf from congestion....that went away yesterday, but I still felt weird. Today my glands are starting to swell....that means my chronic mono is taking a whack at me too.. Mike....nice public service you posted....I long ago stopped taking Time...years ago....it was so meaningless. Putting Coulter on the cover was obviously the equivelent of putting a nude Monica Lewinsky there.... Posted by: judi gemini on April 18, 2005 09:06 PMMimi....my Mercury is 27 Taurus, which is the inconjunct T. Pluto (Jupiter is 26 Cancer, so I am getting the inconjunct there also)....I am just getting a certain level of frustration in trying to communicate....but then I am also seeing WHY....it's kind of nice... those are the only two planets other than Neptune at 29 Virgo, Retro.....which I see now means the square is working.... Posted by: judi gemini on April 18, 2005 09:14 PMJo....nice imagry, the Wicked Witch of the West.....no southern lady SHE.... Posted by: judi gemini on April 18, 2005 09:16 PMJo...I specifically meant this line:
Thanks Judi Gemini, Thanks to the scoop here by Morgana about the phony photo in Time magazine, WELL AS FAR AS ALL THAT.THE WHOLE WORLD IS FUCK.NOT BECAUSE OF THE PLANETS.IT'S BECAUSE OF MAN KIND.WE AS A WHOLE ARE TERRIBLE CONFUSED ABOUT THE ROLE WE HAVE TO PLAY.THERE IS NO SIGH THAT THE PLANETS IN ANY WAY HAVE A CAUSE AN EFFECT ON THE WORLD.DON'T GET ME WRONG.THE PLANETS AN EVERYTHING ABOUT THEM HAVE AN COSTANTS ROLE IN THE WORLD BUT THE WORLD WENT CRAZY WITHOUT THE HELP OF,THERE WERE MERELY PLACE TO HELP GUIDE UA NOT BRING US DOWN.THE PLANETS HELP US IDENTIFIED WHO WE ARE,THE WORLD HAS PLACE IN THE MINDS OF MANY WHAT IS SO CALLED OK.IF HUMAN IN A WHOLE CHANGE THE WAY WE THINK THERE WELL BE CHANGED.YES MIKE, YOU ARE RIGHT IAM AFRAID THAT WHAT WELL MAKE THAT CHANGE IS DISTRUCTION AND KAOS. Posted by: LITA MAE on April 23, 2005 12:37 AMJust to be flippant for a moment:Anyone else notice the similarities getween the Bush administration and the Borg?'Resistance is futile! You will be assimilated into the New World Corporate Order!'On a serious ending note, the Bush administration has just declared war on everyone else in space. I'm beginning to wonder if these clowns aren't rogue Scientologists who took L. Ron Hubbard's disgusting science-fiction vision of A future and are trying to make it THE future.Softwaredata recoveryVoIPWhat is WiFiInternet TelephonyVoIP ProviderVoIP Software'>VoIP SoftwareVoIP Services What is VoIPVoIP Phone SystemVoIP DrawbackVoIP ArchitectureVoIP Solutions VoIP ReviewsVoIP TechnologyWiFi CardsWiFi AntenaWiFi IEEE WiFi RangeWiFi WAPWiFi futureWiFi SecurityWiFi Hotspot WiFi BluetoothWiFi Drawbackwhat is data lossdata recoveryraid data recoverydata recovery softwarehard drive data recoverydata recovery servicehard disk data recoverydisk data recovery emergency data recoveryrecovery solutionsComputer Data RecoveryNetwork securityFireWall securityAbout UsNetwork securityContact usSite MapFirewallSecurity TipsFirewallRole of IPHacker TechnologiesVPNRelated Topics Application Layer AttacksIP AddressingIP Spoofing Netwark security scannerNetwork packet sniffersPassword attacksProtecting confidential informationSecurityTrusted Networkbusiness cardsflightsfirewallcar rentalnetwork securitycruisesweddingcorporate giftscheap flightsantivirus softwareBackground ChecksCRMVOIPFree VoIPDefinition of VOIPVoIP ArchitectureVOIP ReviewsAuto Telephone DialersUnlimited Free VOIPCRM software reviewsVOIP TechnologiesVoIP ProviderBPOERPAutomotive SoftwareWiFi Certification Pluto on my mercury. Expressing myself a little too well. How not to win friends, but still influence people. Pluto headed for my 26 Sag Ascendent. Advice anyone? Posted by: Annie on November 10, 2005 08:13 AMI agree with you .
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