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THE HERBST NEWSLETTER
astrological-cultural-spiritual-political views & opinions

--- Thoughts, dates, and reminders about our lives as
members of the craziest species on this lovely planet.
Like a message in a bottle washing up on the sandy
shores of consciousness ---

Issue #75; March, 2005

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Dear friends,

On May 1st, 2005, I will be closing my life in the Twin Cities,
leaving Minnesota, and relocating to the Pacific Northwest, to a
new home in Olympia, Washington. I love Minnesota and am
sad to leave, but we follow our path as we can see it, and
sometimes the path leads us to a different or even unimagined
future.

To my many dear friends and loyal clients in the Twin Cities
area, I bid you all a fond adieu. I hope to return from time to
time for happy visits. I will continue to be professionally
available to my Minnesota clients, but by telephone rather than
face-to-face.

All moves are disruptive, cross-country moves especially so. As
I post this notice at the end of March, I have a month to pack,
close up my affairs, and say goodbye to my beloveds.

I may not have time or energy to do sessions between April
15th and May 10th. I ask that clients NOT prepay for sessions
with PayPal until after I've moved. During the period of the
actual relocation, April 28th to May 4th, I won't have access to
email.

Also, I doubt that I will send out a May newsletter. Odds are
slim, anyway. Look for the next commentary from me in June.

Please forgive this interruption. When I get through the chaos
of the move and begin to settle in to my new residence in
Olympia, I'll post a notice on my web site. Feel free to email me
from May 4th on to request a session.

--Bill Herbst



Commentary: THE ACCELERATED PLUTO FACTOR

Some of the many realizations that emerge from the serious
study of astrology are easily accessible; they leap into our
awareness, virtually shouting to be recognized. Other
astrological insights are more subtle, requiring either a well-
developed eye or, just as often, prolonged technical digging to
unearth. I want to write in this commentary about one
significant astrological phenomena that lives in this less obvious
realm.

"Death and rebirth" is a simplified catchphrase in astrology for
the symbolism of the outer planet Pluto.

Pluto represents the raw power that waits unseen in the dark
underworld of human existence, either in the personal
unconscious or the collective unconscious. This is ruthless, raw
power that can, on occasion, transform our lives by "burning
away" old conditions and paving the way for a renewed and
enlarged perspective.

The mere fact that any individual life may be dramatically
altered by external events is not, in and of itself, necessarily
Plutonian. Throughout history, human lives have always been
subject to unpredictable changes, wild-cards that arise either
from acts of nature or developments in the social collectives of
which we are a part. Our individual destinies can be altered,
sometimes irrevocably, by events we did not personally create
and cannot control. That does not, however, always mean that
we ourselves are changed. Many people go through dramatic
external changes in without a corresponding shift in their
internal understanding.

What differentiates Plutonian transformations from the more
mundane intrusions of life---however major these may be in
altering our course---is that Pluto's effects cut right to the heart
of our core beliefs about life and, more critically, our
assumptions about ourselves. Whatever our perspective was on
the meaning of life in general and our personal identity within
it, Pluto destroys the context of our former understanding, as if
the floor beneath our feet had given way. Everything we think
we know is challenged as massive forces overwhelm us. This
process often begins externally, through unexpectedly dramatic
and intense circumstances, but the result---the final impact---is
necessarily interior.

In other words, some events are just things that happen to us,
which, one way or another, we take in stride, adapting as
necessary. No matter how dramatic or life-changing they seem
at the surface, these experiences do not alter who we are.
Plutonian events, however, are transformative. We cannot take
them in stride. We cannot adapt. We go down for the count.
We die. Order is replaced by chaos. And, if we're lucky, we are
then resurrected, born anew, but with an enlarged perspective,
a higher sense of order.

As a planet, Pluto is so far away that it exists in perpetual
night, with the Sun appearing to be merely one more tiny star
in a black sky. On average, Pluto takes about 248 years to
make one complete circuit around the Sun.

Most planets in our solar system have nearly circular orbits.
Comets, on the other hand, move in elliptical orbits that
slingshot around the Sun at relatively close distance, then shoot
out very far toward the fringes of our cosmic neighborhood in
orbits that are extremely flattened and stretched out. Pluto is
almost more like a comet than a planet in that its orbit is
elliptical rather than circular.

At aphelion (farthest distance), Pluto is about 4.6 billion miles
from the Sun, while at perihelion (closest distance), it is only
2.8 billion miles away. For a short time during its cyclic "year,"
Pluto actually moves inside the orbit of Neptune and is closer to
the Sun than the gas giant. The last time this Plutonian
penetration occurred was from January 1979 to February 1999.
For those two decades, Pluto was not the most remote major
body in the solar system.

For purposes of this essay, the most relevant and striking
feature of Pluto's elliptical and uncentered orbit is that it does
not move through the 12 signs of the zodiac at regular
intervals. From our vantage point, Pluto speeds up and slows
down dramatically as it moves through the heavens. In the flat
section of its orbit when passing closest to the Sun, Pluto
appears to move through the zodiac much faster than at the
extended "ends" of its orbit.

By contrast, the other outer planets, with their roughly circular
orbits, show very regular passages through the signs. Jupiter is
quite dependable with its 12-year orbit, moving through each
sign---Aries, Taurus, Gemini, etc.---in a single year. Saturn
spends a tad more than 2 1/3 years in every sign, Uranus takes
7, and Neptune 14.

Pluto is different. Since it has a 240+ year cycle, an "average"
passage through a sign would take about 20 years, IF it had a
circular orbit. Given Pluto's elliptical orbit, however, it takes
more than twice as long to pass through some signs than
others.

Here's the breakdown for Pluto's current run through the
zodiac, with the date of entry into each sign and the number of
years required to pass through that sign:

1822 Aries---29
1851 Taurus---31
1882 Gemini---30
1912 Cancer---25
1937 Leo---19
1956 Virgo---15
1971 Libra---12
1983 Scorpio---12
1995 Sagittarius---13
2008 Capricorn---15
2023 Aquarius---20
2043 Pisces---23

Note the difference: 31 years in Taurus versus only 12 in
Scorpio.

How is this relevant to your life? Well, that will take a bit longer
to establish, but bear with me.

In western astrology, the basics of every chart include ten
major bodies---the Sun, Moon, and eight planets other than the
earth---plus two axes (the vertical and horizontal, called
"angles"). Many other bodies can and are often used, but these
twelve comprise the fundamentals.

As bodies move through the heavens, they activate cycles with
these twelve symbols. Each cycle has various trigger points, the
most important of which are at the quarters. So, to keep things
simple, let's focus on those twelve cycles and their 48 trigger
points (called "transits").

Every year, the Sun appears to move through the entire zodiac,
going around your chart once. Over that year, it will activate all
48 critical transits for about two days each. Each of these
periods introduces a particular emphasis of meanings, feelings,
attitudes, and possible events into your life. Sun transits are
about vitality, pride, and basic life-energy.

Jupiter transits are about opportunity, buoyancy, and optimism,
among other qualities. Every twelve years, Jupiter activates all
48 critical transits, an average of four per year. In a full life of
80 years, you'll experience every Jupiter transit six to seven
times.

Now consider Pluto. Plutonian transits carry the meaning of
confrontation with overwhelming power in experiences of death
and rebirth, profound watershed periods where protean forces
well up from within the unconscious depths of our psyches or
come at us from the outer world. Not every Pluto transit
actually brings psychological death or rebirth, but that potential
exists in all 48 of the critical events. A hierarchy of power
differentiates the transits: Some are inherently more significant
than others, but all 48 matter.

How many critical Pluto transits will you experience in your
lifetime? How many different deaths and rebirths might you
have to go through? The answer to those questions depends on
three different factors:

1. How long you live
2. Mathematical distribution of the 12 points in your natal chart
3. The generation into which you were born.

In this commentary, I'm focusing only on the third variable.

The reason that third variable is significant is because it tells us
how far Pluto will travel through your chart. Since Pluto takes
240+ years to get around your entire chart, no one lives long
enough to get all 48 critical Pluto transits.

Let's assume a life span of 80 years. Some of us won't live that
long, others will live well past that, but 80 is close to the
current average expected longevity in industrialized countries
with adequate diets and halfway decent healthcare.

This is where Pluto's elliptical orbit and varying passages
through different signs becomes meaningful---in sub-
generational groups.

For a person born in 1840 who died in 1920, Pluto was moving
at its slowest. It traversed only 79° of the heavens during those
years, less than three signs of the zodiac or one-quarter of the
chart. So people of that generation activated---on average---
only 11 of the critical 48 Plutonian transits. Twelve death and
rebirth possibilities in a full lifetime.

Next, consider that a person who lived from 1890-1970 would
have seen Pluto moving faster, this time traversing about 126°
of the zodiac, four full signs or about one-third of the chart. A
person of that generation would have activated, on average,
about 17 of the 48 possible critical Pluto transits.

Now for the coup de grace: For someone born in 1950 who will
live until 2030, Pluto has been moving at its fastest speed of
the whole cycle, traversing a whopping 172° of the zodiac,
almost six signs and nearly HALF of the chart. This means that,
on average, a person of that particular generational cohort can
expect 23 critical Plutonian transits, literally twice as many
death and rebirth confrontations as someone born from 1840-
1880.

For clarity, I need to insert here the caveat that these are
group averages. Different individuals, even those born in the
same year, can have very different mathematical distributions
of the 12 points in their respective charts, so the numbers of
critical Pluto transits will vary dramatically from person to
person.

Viewed from the standpoint of age-linked population
demographics, however, these averages reveal that some
generations will be inherently subjected to greater impacts of
eruptive power, more profound endings and beginnings, and
the pressures of surrender to death and rebirth.

If you want to know how far Pluto will travel in your lifetime or
your children's, here's a breakdown based on decade of birth
and presumed 80-year lifespan:

1900-1980---126°
1910-1990---142°
1920-2000---155°
1930-2010---165°
1940-2020---170°
1950-2030---172°
1960-2040---168°
1970-2050---160°
1980-2060---148°
1990-2070---134°
2000-2080---121°
2010-2090---109°
2020-2100---100°

Notice that the peak is right in the middle at 1950. Those of us
born between 1930 and 1970 will, as groups, experience the
greatest number of personal or collective confrontations with
irresistible power. No, we didn't fight in two world wars, nor did
most of us live through the Great Depression. Nevertheless,
considered psychologically and even spiritually, we are the
generations of both the dark night of the soul and the
possibility at least of redemption.

I do not mean to denigrate the existing seniors born before
1930 or younger individuals born after 1980, who comprise
more than half the world population. This is a gradual curve,
not a black-and-white distinction. Those older and younger
generations also have somewhat elevated Plutonian impacts.
But people born from 1930-1970 now occupy the primary
positions of power in civilization and will continue to do so
through the next 20 years, which will represent the most critical
crossroads ever seen in human evolution. The decisions we
make over the next two decades will determine the shape of
the world.

As individuals and groups, we may refuse to recognize the
darkness within ourselves and doggedly cling to the past. That
means continuing down the road of manipulation for personal
gain and the use of force to get what we want. That path, so
common throughout history, leads to ruin.

On the other hand, we may finally start to get it as we reap the
toxic harvest of our own unconsciousness and narrow
perspectives. We might actually begin to give up our obsession
with violent power and repressive control, outgrowing finally
our species' deranged adolescence as we learn to channel
those aggressive energies in more graceful ways.

Pandora's Box has been flung open. In poetic simile, it's like
living on a fault line, where earthquakes are an ever-present
possibility, or waiting for the next tsunami to wipe away the
entire village, or existing in the shadow of nuclear armageddon,
where The Bomb could go off at any minute.

For those of us with accelerated Plutos, that existential
insecurity is part of our spiritual inheritance and our
psychological condition. How we deal with power and change,
death and rebirth, will determine in large part our legacy to the
future of humanity.


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http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/040305A.shtml

American Thermidor

How the cycle of deficits has kept the right in power in America.

    Many people have become worried about the hard limits to the current world economy, and particularly the place of America in it: global warming,[1] which is the limit of how much carbon we can sink into the earth's atmosphere and waters, and Hubert's theory of "Peak Oil,"[2] which predicts that production of oil will plateau and then enter a decline. Many have also become worried about the seemingly inexorable growth of America's trade[3] and budget deficits,[4] as well as the ever-spiraling imports of energy from abroad. Finally, many have become concerned about the growing inequality of the distribution of wealth [5] and the decline in real wages. [6] It makes many angry that, in a time when America seems to be strip-mining its environment, its credit and its people, we are ruled by the most reactionary American political party to take power since the days when strikers were shot by state militia units, a party that has chosen not to address any of these problems, but instead, tells us that all will be well.

    For many, the theory of why this is happening centers around the top-down media system and its vitriolic faux populism that is used to cover an agenda of concentration of power and economic elitism, and an American public that is enthralled by the political machinations of the Republican Party. For others, the root cause is corporate-driven globalization, which sets the workers of different states and different nations against each other in a grim race to the bottom. It seems inconceivable to many writers that, in an era in which so much is headed in the wrong direction, the Republicans have been in the White House 6 of the last 9 terms, and have not lost control of Congress since the elections of 1994, except during a very brief period when the Democrats wrangled the Senate based on a party switch by a Republican. Not only this, but they have controlled the debate, pushing the Democratic Party farther and farther to the right. Even while the approval numbers of both Republican President and Republican Party are below 50% in recent polls, the media treats them with kid gloves, and the Democrats defer to Bush on what the agenda of the nation should be.

More....

Does anyone have Sandy Berger's birth data? All I can find is the date, no location or time.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200407230001

Anatomy of a smear: Sandy Berger "socks" shocker

Lies, blind quotes, and innuendo rampant in Berger coverage

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4571979

Sandy Berger Pleads Guilty to Taking Documents

All Things Considered, April 1, 2005 · Sandy Berger, who served as national security adviser to President Bill Clinton, pleads guilty to taking and destroying federal property. Berger admitted that he intentionally took three copies of a classified document from the National Archives and cut them up with scissors.

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200407210837.asp

snip...

The report was the result of a review done by Richard Clarke, then the White House counterterrorism chief, of efforts by the Clinton administration to stop terrorist plots at the turn of the year 2000. At several points in the September 11 commission hearings, Democrats pointed to the millennium case as an example of how a proper counterterrorism program should be run. But sources say the report suggests just the opposite. Clarke apparently concluded that the millennium plot was foiled by luck — a border agent in Washington State who happened to notice a nervous, sweating man who turned out to have explosives in his car — and not by the Clinton administration's savvy anti-terrorism work. The report also contains a number of recommendations to lessen the nation's vulnerability to terrorism, but few were actually implemented.

The after-action review became the topic of public discussion in April when Attorney General John Ashcroft mentioned it in his public testimony before the September 11 commission. "This millennium after-action review declares that the United States barely missed major terrorist attacks in 1999 and cites luck as playing a major role," Ashcroft testified. "It is clear from the review that actions taken in the millennium period should not be the operating model for the U.S. government."

In May, a government official told National Review Online that the report contains a "scathing indictment of the last administration's actions." The source said the report portrayed the Clinton administration's actions as "exactly how things shouldn't be run." In addition, Clarke was highly critical of the handling of the millennium plot in his book, Against All Enemies.

It is not clear how many copies of the report exist. Nor is it clear why Berger was so focused on the document. If he simply wanted a copy, it seems that taking just one would have been sufficient. But it also seems that Berger should have known that he could not round up all the known copies of the document, since there were apparently other copies in other secure places. Whatever the case, the report was ultimately given to the September 11 Commission.
?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/31/berger.plea.ap/

Sandy Berger, who was President Clinton's top national security aide, pleaded guilty Friday to taking classified documents from the National Archives and cutting them up with scissors.

Rather than the "honest mistake" he described last summer, Berger acknowledged to U.S. Magistrate Deborah Robinson that he intentionally took and deliberately destroyed three copies of the same document dealing with terror threats during the 2000 millennium celebration.

"Guilty, your honor," Berger responded when asked how he pleaded.

The charge of unauthorized removal and retention of classified material is a misdemeanor that carries a maximum sentence of a year in prison and up to a $100,000 fine.

However, under a plea agreement that Robinson must accept, Berger would serve no jail time but instead pay a $10,000 fine, surrender his security clearance for three years and cooperate with investigators. Security clearance allows access to classified government materials.

Sentencing was set for July 8.

More...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Berger

Criminal investigation

On July 19, 2004, it was revealed that the U.S. Justice Department was investigating Berger for allegedly taking as many as fifty classified documents, in October 2003, from a National Archives reading room prior to testifying before the 9/11 Commission. The documents were commissioned from Richard Clarke about the Clinton administration's handling of millennium terror threats. Berger maintained that the removal of top-secret documents in his attache-case and handwritten notes in his pants and jacket pockets was accidental. Berger left the John Kerry campaign shortly after the incident became public. Some suggested that Berger's removal of the documents constituted theft and moreover had serious national security implications, while others claimed that the documents were taken, only drafts and all were flattering to Clinton and Berger (relating to the failed 2000 millennium attack plots). However, Berger admitted that the three documents that he destroyed were drafts that contained information not contained in the final report.[1]

On March 31, 2005, the Justice Department announced that Berger will plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge of unauthorized removal or retention of classified material. As a result, he faces maximum penalties of one year in prison and a $100,000 fine. In addition, he will lose his security clearance.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4593926

Samuel Berger 9/11 prepared testimony
Former National Security Adviser prepared remarks before the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States.
MSNBC
Updated: 4:24 p.m. ET March 24, 2004

The following is the prepared testimony, on March 24, 2004, by Former National Security Adviser Samuel L. Berger, to the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States

http://www.thenation.com/thebeat/index.mhtml?bid=1&pid=2301

snip...

But one aspect of this pope's legacy is not up for debate. During John Paul II's pontificate, the Catholic Church closed the loophole that had served as all-too-many justifications for the taking of the lives of prisoners of the state. New Orleans Archbishop Francis Schulte said the change opened up "a whole new area (of consideration) for many Catholics." Sister Helen Prejean described it as a "Seismic shift" in church teaching. That shift had a profound influence on former Illinois Governor George Ryan, who declared the capital punishment system in Illinois "broken," and commuted the sentences of all 167 inmates sitting on death row in Illinois jails in 2003. And it continues to be felt today, as the US Conference of Catholic Bishops wages a newly launched national campaign to end the use of the death penalty in the United States.

There will be many grand eulogies to mark the passing of Pope John Paul II. But none will be more eloquent than the ongoing campaign to bar the barbaric practice of state-sponsored execution. Perhaps John Paul II was not the most modern pope, but he recognized the progress of society and moral teaching when he preached that, "Modern society has the means of protecting itself, without definitively denying criminals the chance to reform."

As I recall about the Millenium Plot, a
female Canadian Customs Agent, suspected
the car and driver and called to the
States and told them to search the car.
Subscequent stories dropped that aspect,
and made a hero of the American customs
officer.

How to win friends and influence people...
Israel plans to dump tons of garbage in West Bank

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=560414

I think the Pope's death is another symbol of Pluto in Sag. I'm visualizing a more Mother loving world. A new Popess? Being a Hindjew the Pope never made an intellectual impact on me, his discourses tended to be dry. However, whenever he visited NYC the city was filled with a charged energy that felt uplifting. The newspapers would have front pages that had messages of Love. In the 80's during a NYC visit it was raining. But it stopped raining wherever the pope mobile went. That still impresses me.
They say you can tell who an evolved person is by how you feel around them. I certainly think he packed a powerful positive Shakti though I am not in agreement with the woman issues of this church and many other things. Hope the Pope's seeing the error of his ways during his life review at the Heavenly Gates. Can't all be perfect. RIPJPII and hello structure based on inclusion not heirarchy. Dearth to heirarchy!

You go Pallas!

So lets see...Sandy Berger took 3 documents and destroyed them...GBrez let his people "out "a CIA agent, thereby blowing her cover and the covers of the people in her 'line'....and which one is being prosecuted?

Over the years I have been accused of being a "Cassandra"....when actually the correct term is high functioning psychic (probably not that far from high functioning crazy person)....but here, sweel words, is a better phraze for all of us who dare to predict:
Prophecies
What does it matter now if men believe or no?
What is to come will come. And soon you too will stand aside,
To murmur in pity that my words were true.
(Cassandra, in Agamemnon by Aeschylus)

http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/pan.htm

The Hopi prophecies. They read like our posts....although I am sure you all are familiar with them, it is still worth reading again.

That's what tMerc Rx is all about, Judi G. --- Review... everything old is new again... I love that you quoted Cassandra... I studied the Greeks through Womens Studies --- puts a whole other slant on things!

Namaste

WV,

That was a mighty fine article you posted at the very beginning of this thread... I'm one of those of the accelerated generation --- so are you. Don't know about you, but if things move any faster I'll be 'ether'... Am undergoing heavy Pluto transit now, same aspect, only backwards! now!!! I am feeling some heavy changes in my inner world, and they're probably going to come busting out on the outer world and my family this summer... hope they're ready for it!!!

Pallas,
Jacob Schwartz is pretty well known, especially for his knowledge of all asteroids, common and obscure.
The Princeton Astrological Society was started by professor and his wife with whom I studied for many years. They are Dr. Ken Negus and his wife Joan Negus (now deceased). Ken was a professor at Rutgers University in New Brunswick in the Languages Dept. His specialty was German and, of course, Goethe They both wrote books. Ken is still going, running the Princeton Astrological Society and lecturing at the NCGR.
Didn't know about the person who wrote the thesis at Princeton University on astrology. I must ask around.
Jacob Schwartz is quite a character; white hair pulled back in a low slung pony tail. He really knows his stuff, but I get annoyed with him when he starts talking about the Middle East sometimes. We have had some "lively" discussions on the subject... and to his credit he hasn't taken my disagreement personally. But then I never made it a personal thing.
Now the closet Republican is another matter all together. He also knows his stuff, but he sounds like a O'Reilly clone. I like him, but I have learned to keep my mouth shut when he gets into his "speak." It's like a religion.

this should keep you busy for at least 2 or 3 days.

http://www.ewtn.com/HolySee/Interregnum/electors.asp

That website lists all the current (117)cardinals in the "selector college" (although there are two who are being kept secret..perhpas they're Chinese, and for their safety).

When you click on their name, you get a biography.

If Judi and Malachy ? are correct, we will find the Benedictine aka Franciscan priest in one of those bigraphies ...and supposedly that will be the next pope. I'm wondering if it's the cardinal from Austria with that background.

Beasley -

Yes of course. Ken Negus.

I have such a problem remembering names, especially when I've been on a candy-chocolate binge. :)

Ask Ken Negus who the doctorate in astrology is. He's the one, the rumor was, that slipped it through. :)

You're very fortunate to have such an active NCGR/astrology club. There really isn't one in my area .

Oh, I forgot.

Pallas, the guy who was pontificating about T Shiavo was talking from what he read and "knew." Not from any astrological chart. He's a Rep. What bothers me is that he won't say so. Oh well.

Oh Beasley.

Well if he's not talking from an astrology chart,
ignore it. That would annoy me too.

Sorry. I never heard of this Schwarz fellow.

Meanwhile,

Could this be the one?
(his name has been mentioned in the running and he has the Benedictine background- if Malachy's is any kind of prophet :) )

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Hummes, O.F.M. Cláudio
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Order in College: Cardinal Priest
With Title: Sant' Antonio da Padova in Via a Merulana
Native Country: Brazil
Appointed by: John Paul II on 21 February 2001
Ecclesiastical Office: Archbishop of São Paolo
Papal Elector: Eligible; Ineligible on 8 August 2014

Cardinal Cláudio Hummes, O.F.M., was born on August 8, 1934, in Montenegro, Brazil. He was ordained a priest of the Franciscan order on August 3, 1958. He has been a specialist in ecumenism. He taught philosophy at the Franciscan seminary in Garibaldi, at the major seminary of Viamão, and at the Pontifical Catholic University of Porto Alegre. From 1972 until 1975, he was an adviser for ecumenical affairs to the National Bishops' Conferences of Franciscans. On March 22, 1975, he was appointed coadjutor bishop of Sante André, and consecrated on May 25 of that year. He succeeded to that see on December 29, 1975. On July 21, 1996, he was appointed archbishop of Fortaleza, and transferred to São Paulo on May 23, 1998. He was created a cardinal on February 21, 2001. His titular church is St. Anthony of Padua in Via Merulana. He continues to serve as Archbishop of São Paulo. In the Roman Curia, he is a member of the Congregation for the Discipline of the Sacraments, the council Cor Unum, the Council for the Cultural Heritage of the Church, the Council for Interreligious Dialogue, the Council for the Laity, and the Commission for Latin America.

Cardinal Hummes relocated to Rome has Mars Venus Moon Pluto Mercury in Cancer in the 9th house, and Soouth Node at 10 Leo conjunct MC of 11 Leo and Sun 15 Leo in the 10th house.

hmmm. All the planets are there, but South Node on the MC ???? oik. Scorpio Ascendant.

BTW, Pope Paul The Great's relocated chart had Saturn on his MC and Moon on his 4th house cusp at the time of his passing. (in Placidus)

If we didn't know we'd say this was a person losing his job and moving. Except that the transiting South Node was on his natal Mars in the 12th.

hey, judi, don't get oo worked up about those hope prophecies...they're just bitter. i stopped taking them seriously when they said america would be nuked with only those on hopi lands surviving...ah, right. i'm always happy when i can dismiss a dooms day prophecy. the reality we face is much more firghtening.

my latest bout of optimism comes from mega-high oil prices. that will force an extremeliy rapid look at renewables or new fuels. my theory is that something had to be developed that will go in existing cars, not hybrids. that something can be anything that will make them run. in all likelihood it will be low on pollution given the advanced technology required to develop such a fuel. that would solve a boat load of problems.
who knows, but this is in the cards when oil gets out of control. the incentive will be there and the rewards will be esponential for the inventor.

I wasn't going to say anything about this Pope because of a personal experience I had with the Vatican and the Pope in 1993, but Bhakti said something that gave me an "ah ha" moment and I decided to share it. She said something about the "powerful Shakti" around him.

In 1993 I was hired by the Vatican to raise several hundred million in dollars and in-kind services for World Youth Day in Denver and the Pope's visit and let me just say that working for the Vatican was an experience and one that left me cynical toward the Church and absolutely toward the Papacy.

There were 250 thousand people that came to Denver for that event and it was a true event. The 250 thousand arrived days in advance of the Pope and I want to say that for the entire week there was not one incident. Not a fight, or robbery or theft in Denver, just massive traffic. When the President and Pope arrived at the airport the 7 of us and our staff responsible for the event (and 400 volunteers)wanted to feel something when he arrived and we didn't, there wasn't any energy, nothing. But one morning at dawn I was walking through a prayer service where all 250 thousand were participating and it was beautiful and inspiring. It was the people, their love and desire for peace that had come together and spread that all over the city.

Because of the massive amount of money and services I had raised it was requested that I have a personal audience with the Pope, in fact it was requested of all 7 of us. I almost declined, but in the end I went and one by one we went in to see him, and one by one we each had the same experience, one of sadness, pity, and reinforced cynicism, and that's all I want to say about that or think I should say.

It wasn't until Bhakti said what she did that I suddenly realized the Vatican and the Pope whoever he is, is just a symbol where people (all of us) can project their love, hope, faith in something better. We, the people give life to those we elevate, for good or for ill we think they make us, they give or take away from us, but they don't, we do. We have the power to determine whether we experience positive or negative, it's ours to give or take away.

Millions of Catholics are mourning from their depths the loss of their symbol of peace and love, cleansing themselves so they can rise again with and swell with pride, joy, hope, peace and love to jubliantly rejoice over the new Pope and they will rejoice. In the end it doesn't make any difference what the Church does or doesn't do, it's the symbol that represents the best of our hopes.

Just received a solicitation in the mail for a magazine "what is enlightenment"
Checked it out online and it looks rather intriguing for these times that we live in. http://www.wie.org/
Have any of you heard of it?

Beautifully stated, Sally. Just great.

That, I think, is the trouble. Investing all this hope in a person. It's bound to be disappointing, and no man can live up to those expectations.
I wish so much we could all see the divinity in our own selves, the earth, the planets, the stars. That we could worship ourselves, and then others.

Jeanie, I take that magazine and we use it in our foundation (our mission is to change the culture of corporate america so it can thrive and empower both women and men) It is a great and very "enlightening" magazine. I heartily recommend it.

Sally,

I'm sorry you had such a terrible experience and that it affected you in such a way.

I understand what you are saying, but it is not completely true. If I walk up to a Catholic who has been taught in Catholic school 50 years ago and say " The Jews didn;t kill Christ, the Romans did." - it isn't going to have one bit of effect.

After 2000 years this man, this Pope did change that teaching. This man, if the Church keeps his dictum that to be anti-semitic is a sin against God, has done more in 2000 years in that regard than the 253 popes before him who promulgated the hatred. To apologize for the pope who turned his face away from the 6 million being killed - to apologize for the Inquisition - these are huge huge huge and courageous acts.

I also had a personal experience but mine was at the age of 5 of bigotry pointed at me. Imagine being 5 years old and being angrily told and shoved by another 5 year old "you killed Jesus."
can remember running home crying and asking my mother who Jesus was and why did the other little girl say that to me. And I also remember her answer, similar to the Pope's proclamation that Jews are the older brothers and sisters of Christians.

I couldn't go to the graduation party at the local swimming hole when I was 16. They had a sign outside which said " No Jews, Dogs or Niggers
Allowed". That's what the other 253 Popes did.

If Pope John Paul did nothing else his entire Papacy - that one visit, that one letter left in the wailing wall - that apology - makes him a saint as far as I'm concerned.

And the rest of the popes can "gay cok'n yon".

JM, what really grabbed me was the true realization that these people we elevate from our human masses to be religious leaders, or government leaders, or any kind of leader gets their power from us, the people. They don't really have any power over us and if we go away from them they will dry up, they think they got there on their merits or but they didn't. We gave them steam to get there and stay there and we can keep giving it or take it away from them, it's our energy.

We need to practice turning our energy away from corruption and turning it toward prosperity and health for all. We should be focusing on what is coming to the people and not focusing on what corruption and greed has taken away from us and focus on a leader. I don't know for sure how to harness this energetic power, but I do know we have it in our hands.

Dear Sally,

Thank you sooooooo much for that post! I am very glad you shared it.

Thanks for the feedback Sally. I shall sign up for the mag right away.
And thank you so very much for your continued wonderful insights and writing and for providing an oasis amidst the madness for all of us.

But Pallas, that's my point, it's the meaning "we the people" give to the symbol. It doesn't matter whether it's a person, or an office, or money, or a gesture, or car or house, it's the meaning WE give to it.

Sally, I so completely agree.

Sally,

You;re a lecturer as I am.

I gather you're also a teacher.

And I know for certainty that you have been in audiences watching and listening to a spiriutal person who is "glowing", whose words are uplifting and meaningful.

I know there are times "spirit" comes over us and our words or lecture are inspirational, meaningful, as if they came from someplace else or somewhere else.

And yet, you and I and "we" are not like that all the time..we don;t have that glow at all times..only at certain times.

Some things I've written I re-read at a later time, and am amazed and I wonder "did I write that"?

My point is that spirit does not shine through us at every moment. Perhaps only when we're writing or lecturing - or giving a reading. At those times we don;t seem to be ordinary people. Something fills us, changes us, speaks through us.
And I suspect from your description of your experience that the same thing was working also.

"But Pallas, that's my point, it's the meaning "we the people" give to the symbol. It doesn't matter whether it's a person, or an office, or money, or a gesture, or car or house, it's the meaning WE give to it."

"We the people" didn't give Pope Karol Wytlya(sp) the idea or the courage to apologize and make those statements in Israel and deny 253 popes' previous 2000 years of teachings, Sally.

Spirit did. And he was the vessel and conduit of spirit to right that wrong.

Yes,I understand, a billion Catholics making him leader gave his words importance and power. And centuries before, armies gave Popes' words power to enforce hatred and killing - not "we the people".

But I don't know if you can fully understand what his gesture and words, which may or may not have been directed by "spirit" in Israel, meant to every Jew in the world. You might have to be Jewish to understand the centuries and memories of persecution.

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The Limbaugh Code
The New York Times best seller no one is talking

If a book lands on the best-seller list and nobody hears it, did it really happen? Mark R. Levin's Men in Black: How the Supreme Court Is Destroying America was ranked eighth on the New York Times list this week; it's been on that list for six weeks now, and seems to be leaping off the bookshelves, despite the fact that it concerns constitutional law and the U.S. Supreme Court. Yet it has been reviewed virtually no place and written up by almost no one. True, Charles Lane did a piece about it in the Washington Post a few days ago; he noted that absolutely nobody who writes, talks, or thinks about the high court has even read it. It's selling, it seems, almost entirely due to endorsements by Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Fox News.

Men in Black was published by Regnery Publishing—the outfit that brought us Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry last summer. Serious journalists spent serious time debunking the claims set forth in the Swift Boat book, but absolutely no one seems to be taking on Levin. This isn't too surprising: For one thing, there's no election on the line. And for another, no serious scholar of the court or the Constitution, on the ideological left or right, is going to waste their time engaging Levin's arguments once they've read this book.

More...

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Wingnuttery Everywhere

Whenever I do any sort of public presentation on blogging, one point I try to get across is that I appreciate all the attention being paid to bloggers and their ethics and their accuracy and their influence on journalism, but where have you been? Why has there been so little attention paid to talk radio, Regnery books, Fox News, etc...? All of these things, and other media outlets, have serious problems with accuracy and have certainly had a giant impact on the practice of journalism. Rampant wingnuttery filled with falsehoods surrounds us everywhere, but few dare mention it.

If I were running CNN, once I fired most of the people that worked there and replaced them with decent TV journalists, I'd get rid of their little daily blog show and replace it with the "Fox News Fuckup of the day." They could just steal it from Media Matters. Then I'd add a "crazy shit people are hearing on talk radio which aren't true" segment.

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Pallas & Sally, I see what each of you mean. Sally's point is that we give our power away when we think someone is "more" than us, or decide they're special, implying that we're not. And Pallas is saying that the Pope was special without us making him so. I think it works together: the Pope needed us to bring out his special soul. He had a calling and his destiny came to him, but he grew and became more spiritual and more empowered because of being able to minister to so many millions. He made some beautiful choices and expressed love and warmth, and maybe there was another not-so- wonderful side, too, and that is what Sally saw.

Pallas, when I was just about the same age as you, maybe a year or 2 older, I had a similar experience. The neighborhood children that I played with regularly decided to tell me in a repeated chorus that "I" had killed Christ. It was a hurtful experience and left it's mark forever, causing me to be ashamed of being Jewish for a long time. I am still sensitive about it. The Pope did a great thing. I don't know if it's been clarified exactly who was involved in Jesus's demise, but it was obviously the act of certain men and women of the time. Anti-semitism hurts, just as racism, hate crimes, violence and cruelty of any sort do. But Jesus was able to handle it and he set a good example :-)

By the way, Pallas, I always heard it as "Gay cockin af'n yam!" That was a favorite expression in my New York Jewish family.

Pallas & Sally, I see what each of you mean. Sally's point is that we give our power away when we think someone is "more" than us, or decide they're special, implying that we're not. And Pallas is saying that the Pope was special without us making him so. I think it works together: the Pope needed us to bring out his special soul. He had a calling and his destiny came to him, but he grew and became more spiritual and more empowered because of being able to minister to so many millions. He made some beautiful choices and expressed love and warmth, and maybe there was another not-so- wonderful side, too, and that is what Sally saw.

Pallas, when I was just about the same age as you, maybe a year or 2 older, I had a similar experience. The neighborhood children that I played with regularly decided to tell me in a repeated chorus that "I" had killed Christ. It was a hurtful experience and left it's mark forever, causing me to be ashamed of being Jewish for a long time. I am still sensitive about it. The Pope did a great thing. I don't know if it's been clarified exactly who was involved in Jesus's demise, but it was obviously the act of certain men and women of the time. Anti-semitism hurts, just as racism, hate crimes, violence and cruelty of any sort do. But Jesus was able to handle it and he set a good example :-)

By the way, Pallas, I always heard it as "Gay cockin af'n yam!" That was a favorite expression in my New York Jewish family.

Pallas & Sally, I see what each of you mean. Sally's point is that we give our power away when we think someone is "more" than us, or decide they're special, implying that we're not. And Pallas is saying that the Pope was special without us making him so. I think it works together: the Pope needed us to bring out his special soul. He had a calling and his destiny came to him, but he grew and became more spiritual and more empowered because of being able to minister to so many millions. He made some beautiful choices and expressed love and warmth, and maybe there was another not-so- wonderful side, too, and that is what Sally saw.

Pallas, when I was just about the same age as you, maybe a year or 2 older, I had a similar experience. The neighborhood children that I played with regularly decided to tell me in a repeated chorus that "I" had killed Christ. It was a hurtful experience and left it's mark forever, causing me to be ashamed of being Jewish for a long time. I am still sensitive about it. The Pope did a great thing. I don't know if it's been clarified exactly who was involved in Jesus's demise, but it was obviously the act of certain men and women of the time. Anti-semitism hurts, just as racism, hate crimes, violence and cruelty of any sort do. But Jesus was able to handle it and he set a good example :-)

By the way, Pallas, I always heard it as "Gay cockin af'n yam!" That was a favorite expression in my New York Jewish family.

Well, it kept giving me a new code and didn't seem to post until I tried three times. Mercury retrograde strikes again! (it's still retrograde, isn't it?)

Sharon, you are a dear. But that's not exactly what I was saying, however I appreciate you bringing in a lovely balance. I am talking about "energy" and how we use it and how it can be used on a collective basis and moving the dialogue from the microism to a more macroism view of the collective and our strength in numbers. How we give strength to symbols, positive and negative. The collective best of ourselves can move a person or symbol to perform their best. It meant a lot to Cubans for him to travel there, certainly wonderful for Poland and Africa.

I know there were awful things said to Jewish families and African families, and families where the parents were divorced (that I know because of what kids said to my kids when I divorced) awful things are said by kids to anyone they think is different or their parents think is different and it's horrible and tragic. I cannot imagine that anyone but the most cretian amoung us believe the Jews are responsible as a group for the death of Jesus, although I know a ton of people that don't realize that Jesus was born Jewish and died Jewish so there are obviously cretians out here.

In the 70's the Pope who came after Pope John said "The Jewish People are not responsible for the death of Jesus" That statement meant as much to the Jews at that time as this Pope at the Wailing Wall. And obviously it needs to be said for every new generation, probably should be said on a monthly or weekly basis.

I was sharing a memory of how it was 250 thousand people from all over the world that set the tone of peace and love, not the person who came to see them. When Bhakti said what she said about the people in NY it made me realize how powerful our emotions are in creating an image and I only used John Paul as an example of where I had seen that kind of energy, there are a million others. As a side note, you are correct, there is a public and private face on the church and they do not mesh at all, but even that has nothing to do with what I was saying.

I know how people feel because as a protestant we loved Pope John who died in 1963 because he reached out to all peoples and began the reform of the church. The outpouring of grief for him from all religions and all countries was extraordinary. John Kennedy was another person where the outpouring of grief was immense.

Well I digress, I used the pope as an example because that's what people were talking about and I had a personal experience with a specific situation, but the story was not about the Pope. gotta go to bed, i am going in circles.

"We need to practice turning our energy away from corruption and turning it toward prosperity and health for all. We should be focusing on what is coming to the people and not focusing on what corruption and greed has taken away from us and focus on a leader. I don't know for sure how to harness this energetic power, but I do know we have it in our hands."... said by Sally, April 4th.

That says it all, to me.

Well, I did think of something else to say.

I feel that the roots of anti-semitism are much more primitive and deep than whether or not the Jews killed Christ. That's just a hook. Although it is a good thing that this Pope apologised, it doesn't seem to have done much. Anti-semitism is on the rise again in Europe. Probably never really diminished. One man's proclamation really cannot affect 2000 years of history that much.
If we search our selves, I think we all will find vestiges of this primitive tendency to mistrust others for no logical reason.
And I think that is largely what this Pluto through Sagittarius is all about. Another tiny step in the evolution toward recognizing our commonality. Our family bond. We are offshoots of the same organism, and when we kill others, we are amputating a part of this creature, and we suffer in some way and feel that pain in ourselves.
Whoever contributes to this evolution, of course, should be lauded.

"...and one by one we went in to see him, and one by one we each had the same experience, one of sadness, pity, and reinforced cynicism, and that's all I want to say about that or think I should say."

Sally,

I do wish that you would elaborate on what it was about your meeting with the Pope that left you with this impression. Several family members of mine have met him and reported the exact opposite of what you describe. I once had an opportunity to see him when it visited my country in 1985 and I must say that it was an extrememly uplifting experience.

It feels like a joke day....

>A FABULOUS Rat Story
>
>
>A woman walks into a curio shop in San Francisco. Looking around at the
>exotica, she notices a very lifelike, life-sized bronze statue of a rat. It
>has no price tag, but is so striking she decides she must have it.
>
>She takes it to the owner: "How much for the bronze rat?"
>
>"Twelve dollars for the rat, a hundred dollars for the story," says the
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>
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>hundred, and they begin squealing.
>She starts to trot toward the Bay. She takes a nervous look around and sees
>that the rats now number in the thousands--maybe millions--and they are all
>squealing and coming toward her faster and faster. Terrified, she runs to
>the edge of the Bay, and throws the bronze rat as far out into the Bay as
>she can. Amazingly, the millions of rats all jump into the Bay after it, and
>are all drowned.
>
>The woman walks back to the curio shop. "Ah ha," says the owner, "I'll bet
>you have come back for the story?"
>
>"No," said the woman, "I came back to see if you have a bronze Republican."
>

Sally,

yes I understand about giving ones own power to other. And that is what you are talking about. But that is not what I've been talking about. I don't tend to do that in any circumstance. :)

In a way we are comparing apples to oranges. You are speaking of "human man" and I speak of "spirit" literally entering "human man" on occasion and talking through him/her.

As a matter of fact, when you write things like this:

"We are offshoots of the same organism, and when we kill others, we are amputating a part of this creature, and we suffer in some way and feel that pain in ourselves.Whoever contributes to this evolution, of course, should be lauded."

I recognize Spirit speaking truth through you and am awed - it has happened several times, but not all the time.

But, I have always had one foot in the mystic world and am attuned and particularly sensitive to these things - truthfully it's a nicer place than here. :)

When Spirit speaks through you with such wisdom and people are attracted to you, it is not "you" that attracts them - but the word and loving truth of
"Spirit". And that is secular - not Catholic, or Jewish, or Hindu - although
all of those people of every type and religion are attracted to those who emanate "Spirit" , which is a pure and overwhelming high loving vibration and wisdom.

I have experienced the adulation and adoration of other people when Spirit spoke through me when I have taught. And it's frightening to have people look at you that way and think they love you. It was my habit to tell people that I was not their Guru. It served the Pope's purpose and his Church's to allow people to think he was their Guru. ( I don't follow or believe in Gurus - it is disempowering - and so I agree with you and understand-
but that does not lessen the fact that Spirit enters and speaks through some individuals and emanates that energy which some mistake as the full time energy of that person. You (and I) don't. You unfortunately learned it in
a hard and disappointing way - but it should not make you cynical anymore. Empowerment and being directed, led by Spirit are not mutually exclusive.

Sally, Sharon is right. You are speaking of earthly man and I am speaking of otherworldly spirit that temporarily enters and speaks through
earthly man.

It's a shame and I'm sorry you met the man and Spirit wasn't present at the time. Disillusioning. And yet, it put you on the path that you are on. Perhaps you would have gone on working for the Church instead of doing what you are doing now - teaching individual empowerment - and I believe Spirit puts us where we are needed and in what we are supposed to be doing. "Spirit works in mysterious ways". With what we know is coming, your teachings are necessary.

But I also think this concentration on death and dying the world has been going through this last month and since DDecember 26 is some kind of advance notice, preparation if you will.

Meanwhile, I have been looking for the effect of the eclipse of 19 Aries on John Paul/Karol Wotyilya (sp) and couldn't find it, until I went to the Arabic parts:

The Pope was born on a Solar Eclipse at 26 Taurus which happens to be his Vertex in Rome conjunct his Sun. Fated.

These degrees are also part of the Pleiades - the Weeping Sisters- which may have added to his conviction that life was for suffering - his life certainly had a lot of suffering. ( I don;t subscribe to the belief that we are here to suffer)

He goes to his final resting place, entombment, on the Solar Eclipse
of April 8 at 19 Aries.

In the Arabic Parts:

His Part of Spirit is 18 Libra 53, which is most interesting that it takes the eclipse.

His Part of Death 18 Libra 59

His Moon/Uranus Midpoint is 19 Aries with ruler Aquarius his 4th house.

(19 Aries falls between his ruler Venus and the North Node in his 6th house)

jm, sally
Our belief systems most likely determine how we see people, don't you think? I do think that we can meet someone we don't like by reputation and have that change...or NOT....this Pope has quite an envelope around him of projected saintliness. Not that he was or wasn't....but Sally and her 6 cohorts saw him without the envelope. Perhaps an even better projection...the Pope as just another human being. Not so special....like meeting an actor when he or she is not "on" (and I saw a lot of that in my years in Hollywood). Marilyn Monroe once told Susan Strasberg (actress, dau. of acting coach Lee Strasberg) that she would do an experiment with her....they were walking on the street in NYC after she had become famous in Seven Year Itch....and she said, watch....people started coming up to her, and soon they were crowded with people who had 'suddenly recognized her'.....as they walked away, Marilyn said 'watch'....and she turned it 'off'.....they continued walking, and NO ONE RECOGNIZED MARILYN. She said to Susan, I can turn it on and off at will.

As long as we are talking about mystic and spiritual things - and some might call it morbid - I am bothered by something that was done to the body after this Pope's death.

Spiritual (mystic) thought/belief is that we are connected to our higher consciousness Spirit and God by a silver cord which is not to be broken, so that we can return to from whence we came. The belief is that the soul leaves the body by rising through this silver cord and that is why in Christianity people are not to be buried before 4 days - to give the soul the time to leave the physical body through the cord.

He died at 9:36 PM in the evening, by 8 AM or maybe before he was lying in state . That means they hurriedly enbalmed him in less than 12 hours.

So it seems to me they did not give a chance for the soul to leave the cord before they disturbed it.

Does anyone here know of the mystic teaching I speak of? And have any thoughts on it?

my grandson, who was born on May 18, 2003 exactly on the minute after Mt St. Helens had errupted 23 years earlier (or was it 22? I never can remember) now gets to share a birthday with Pope Juan Pablo II (I love that...saw it on Spanish news)...I am going to check and see what 83 years makes in difference....

but I don't know how to check for eclipses and I don't have software for Arabian Parts. (I have a book, can't find it!)

Will he be a big soul in this little body? Or a soccer player in a big body? hmmmmmm.....11th house Sun bracketed one deg. earch by north node and the asteroid which looks like a backwards question mark. Never can remember all of those damn asteroid symbols!

Pallas...we said similar things in different ways....you are definitely living in spirit. I am more in a joke today.

Guru energy can exist and run across many centuries - a very stong draw for souls to 'use', and that is why it is dangerous....that is what I learned at the Berkeley Psychic Center (Church of Divine Man)....

Pallas...new threads have started, don't know if you will read this...

Tibetan Book of the Dead .... probably find it online....43 days before burial in order to allow the soul to make the transition.

Being irreverent today, I noticed that proof of death for the death of a pope was for a Cardinal to bang the forehead with a silver spoon......so THAT's where McCartney got his lyric for Maxwell's Silver Hammer....

Pallas, et al.-

Hey folks.... Usually I'm a lurker here on this page- it's been one of my favorites for many years. Sally, you continue to do an outstanding job of helping to keep hope alive in this overgorged, oil-soaked, blood-spattered dinosaur of a superpower (but not for much longer I suspect). Keep up the good work Sally!!

As an aside, I have done some digging into Malachy's list of popes. If memory serves me correctly, JP II's latin phrase was "De Labore Solis"- translated (most likely) as "the work of the Sun". Add to that the fact that his phrase COULD relate to the eclipse of the Sun (for those of us who know, JP II was born during an eclipse), and you start to get the idea. As a matter of fact, the next phrase from Malachy regarding the next Pope is "De Gloria Olivae" (the glory of the olive tree). Which is quite interesting, to say the least.

Think on this for a moment. What what represented by an olive tree? Could it be someone with a Jewish background???

Something to consider....

Find the cardinal who used to be Jewish, and you have the man who will be the next Pope (or maybe Anti-Pope..)

I know this may sound far fetched, but I would not type this if it were not the truth...

Peace,
Subudei

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certyfikacja GOST i wsem priwet
certyfikat GOSTtest
gost czekawie jak zdziala
CERTIFIKACE RUSKO
gost Russia export
gost russia
Rosja gost katalog firmy russia
zertifizierung in RusslandCertyfikacja w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
gost i Gost fajna gra
certyfikacja w Rosjinormy i certyfikaty w Rosji
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certyfikacja Rosjasuper strona na wshodzie
certyfikacja w rosji i Gost testy i badania fajna grazertifizierung in RusslandCertyfikacja w Rosji
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certification russia
certification russia
GOST

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gost certification
Certification Russia.

test test

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test2
wizy do Rosjito wszystko pomoze
Certification in Russia ci prowadzic biznes w Rosji
certyfikacja GOST i wsem priwet
certyfikat GOSTtest
gost czekawie jak zdziala
CERTIFIKACE RUSKO
gost Russia export
gost russia
Rosja gost katalog firmy russia
zertifizierung in RusslandCertyfikacja w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
gost i Gost fajna gra
certyfikacja w Rosjinormy i certyfikaty w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja Rosjasuper strona na wshodzie
certyfikacja w rosji i Gost testy i badania fajna grazertifizierung in RusslandCertyfikacja w Rosji
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certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
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certification russia Russia
GOST gost I nika
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certification russia
GOST

Test

gost certification
Certification Russia.

test test

Certification Russia.

test2
wizy do Rosjito wszystko pomoze
Certification in Russia ci prowadzic biznes w Rosji
certyfikacja GOST i wsem priwet
certyfikat GOSTtest
gost czekawie jak zdziala
CERTIFIKACE RUSKO
gost Russia export
gost russia
Rosja gost katalog firmy russia
zertifizierung in RusslandCertyfikacja w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
gost i Gost fajna gra
certyfikacja w Rosjinormy i certyfikaty w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja Rosjasuper strona na wshodzie
certyfikacja w rosji i Gost testy i badania fajna grazertifizierung in RusslandCertyfikacja w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
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certification russia Russia
GOST gost I nika

certyfikacja GOSTNormy GOST i standardy certyfikat
certification russia
certification russia
GOST

Test

gost certification
Certification Russia.

test test

Certification Russia.

test2
wizy do Rosjito wszystko pomoze
Certification in Russia ci prowadzic biznes w Rosji
certyfikacja GOST i wsem priwet
certyfikat GOSTtest
gost czekawie jak zdziala
CERTIFIKACE RUSKO
gost Russia export
gost russia
Rosja gost katalog firmy russia
zertifizierung in RusslandCertyfikacja w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
gost i Gost fajna gra
certyfikacja w Rosjinormy i certyfikaty w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja Rosjasuper strona na wshodzie
certyfikacja w rosji i Gost testy i badania fajna grazertifizierung in RusslandCertyfikacja w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
gost i Gost fajna gra
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http://www.gost-r.info
http://www.gost-r.info/russia.php
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certyfikacja GOSTNormy GOST i standardy certyfikat
certification russia Russia
GOST gost I nika
Certification in Russia.
wizy do Rosjito wszystko pomoze
Certification in Russia ci prowadzic biznes w Rosji
certyfikacja GOST i wsem priwet
certyfikat GOSTtest
gost czekawie jak zdziala
CERTIFIKACE RUSKO
gost Russia export
gost russia

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3. http://www.google.pl/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-25,GGLJ:ru&q=link:http%3a%2f%2fwww%2eagdrtv%2ecom%2fnotebooki%2f

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certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
gost i Gost fajna gra

certyfikacja GOSTNormy GOST i standardy certyfikat
certification russia Russia
GOST gost I nika
Certification in Russia.
wizy do Rosjito wszystko pomoze
Certification in Russia ci prowadzic biznes w Rosji
certyfikacja GOST i wsem priwet
certyfikat GOSTtest
gost czekawie jak zdziala
CERTIFIKACE RUSKO
gost Russia export
gost russia

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certification russia
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GOST

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gost certification
Certification Russia.

test test

Certification Russia.

test2
wizy do Rosjito wszystko pomoze
Certification in Russia ci prowadzic biznes w Rosji
certyfikacja GOST i wsem priwet
certyfikat GOSTtest
gost czekawie jak zdziala
CERTIFIKACE RUSKO
gost Russia export
gost russia
Rosja gost katalog firmy russia
zertifizierung in RusslandCertyfikacja w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
gost i Gost fajna gra
certyfikacja w Rosjinormy i certyfikaty w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja Rosjasuper strona na wshodzie
certyfikacja w rosji i Gost testy i badania fajna grazertifizierung in RusslandCertyfikacja w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
gost i Gost fajna gra
http://www.gost-r.info
http://www.gost-r.info
http://www.gost-r.info/russia.php
http://www.en.gost24.com

certyfikacja GOSTNormy GOST i standardy certyfikat
certification russia Russia
GOST gost I nika
Certification in Russia.
wizy do Rosjito wszystko pomoze
Certification in Russia ci prowadzic biznes w Rosji
certyfikacja GOST i wsem priwet
certyfikat GOSTtest
gost czekawie jak zdziala
CERTIFIKACE RUSKO
gost Russia export
gost russia

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certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
gost i Gost fajna gra

certyfikacja GOSTNormy GOST i standardy certyfikat
certification russia Russia
GOST gost I nika
Certification in Russia.
wizy do Rosjito wszystko pomoze
Certification in Russia ci prowadzic biznes w Rosji
certyfikacja GOST i wsem priwet
certyfikat GOSTtest
gost czekawie jak zdziala
CERTIFIKACE RUSKO
gost Russia export
gost russia

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http://www.gost-r.info
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http://www.en.gost24.com

certyfikacja GOSTNormy GOST i standardy certyfikat
certification russia
certification russia
GOST

Test

gost certification
Certification Russia.

test test

Certification Russia.

test2
wizy do Rosjito wszystko pomoze
Certification in Russia ci prowadzic biznes w Rosji
certyfikacja GOST i wsem priwet
certyfikat GOSTtest
gost czekawie jak zdziala
CERTIFIKACE RUSKO
gost Russia export
gost russia
Rosja gost katalog firmy russia
zertifizierung in RusslandCertyfikacja w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
gost i Gost fajna gra
certyfikacja w Rosjinormy i certyfikaty w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja Rosjasuper strona na wshodzie
certyfikacja w rosji i Gost testy i badania fajna grazertifizierung in RusslandCertyfikacja w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
gost i Gost fajna gra
http://www.gost-r.info
http://www.gost-r.info
http://www.gost-r.info/russia.php
http://www.en.gost24.com

certyfikacja GOSTNormy GOST i standardy certyfikat
certification russia Russia
GOST gost I nika
Certification in Russia.
wizy do Rosjito wszystko pomoze
Certification in Russia ci prowadzic biznes w Rosji
certyfikacja GOST i wsem priwet
certyfikat GOSTtest
gost czekawie jak zdziala
CERTIFIKACE RUSKO
gost Russia export
gost russia

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1. http://www.google.pl/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-25,GGLJ:ru&q=link:http%3a%2f%2fwww%2etanietorby%2epl%2f 20
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13 juli 2004

3. http://www.google.pl/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-25,GGLJ:ru&q=link:http%3a%2f%2fwww%2eagdrtv%2ecom%2fnotebooki%2f

na wszystkich stronach dodać
http://www.en.gost24.com
http://www.certyfikacja.qfrom.com
http://www.gost-r.org
http://www.gost-r.info
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zertifizierung in RusslandCertyfikacja w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
gost i Gost fajna gra

certyfikacja GOSTNormy GOST i standardy certyfikat
certification russia Russia
GOST gost I nika
Certification in Russia.
wizy do Rosjito wszystko pomoze
Certification in Russia ci prowadzic biznes w Rosji
certyfikacja GOST i wsem priwet
certyfikat GOSTtest
gost czekawie jak zdziala
CERTIFIKACE RUSKO
gost Russia export
gost russia

http://www.flashmobilegroup.org/?p=69 - tutaj zmieniasz z p=69 na p=01 do p=78 i
dodajesz strony:
http://www.gost24.com z name GOST-R
http://www.certyfikacja.qfrom.com z name GOST
http://www.certyfikacja.gost24.com/ z name Certyfikacja w Rosji
http://www.certyfikaty.biz/ z name certyfikacja GOST
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