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The Rise of the theo-con
At 1:11 AM, Monday March 21st, Bush signed into law an order that vacates the state of Florida from having jurisdiction over the case involving Terri Schiavo. Of course, Mercury is retrograde, so at first indication, it's unlikely that this will stand. The federal courts have refused to get involved to date, so they may just rule this law unconstitutional (which it is), and be done with it. But being Florida, the opportunity for foul play exists, and venue shopping for a social conservative activist judge remains a possibility. In the chart, we find Jupiter exactly conjunct the MC, in Libra, and opposite Mercury in Airies at the IC, with both planets retrograde. Meanwhile Pluto is conjunct the ASC. The exactitude of these conjunctions should give us pause to consider the weight of this ruling. Pluto is within 0'12 after, Jupiter within 0'11 before, and Mercury within 1'51 degrees of conjunction. Longtime readers know that I've been laboring on about the progressed Democratic Sun that's been slow-conjuncted by transiting Pluto, that's finally about to break loose of the death for rebirth later this year. But what I've not written about, is that the Republican Party went through a similar transformation recently as well. That both partys have had their progressed Sun, both while in Sag, become conjuncted by transiting Pluto, speaks toward the strong division of the two parties in America today. They've both went through the fire, and have become hardened; the Democrats most recently, but the Republicans first. The Republican transformation was during the period beginning in 1996, and culminating in 1998. It's what defined their obsession with 'gonad politics' which manifestated the plutonic sexual tensions that exist in the Republican Party (but more specifically a fundamental body that has hijacked the GOP). Though I reference the Ripon chart for the Republican Party, it's the July 6th, 1854 chart that I've found most useful. In many ways, the republican chart represents the ideals of the US, especially in sharing a Sun conjunction with the Saj USA chart. What's notable about the Jupiter-Mercury oppositions of retrogrades in the law passed by Bush, is that they exactly T-square the Sun of the Republican Party and the USA chart. Hence, a hasteful move has been spearheaded through ideology to impact the judicial branch. Needless to say, this doesn't sit well with many Republicans, and certainly not the majority of the nation. The Republican Party does well when it deals with Neptunian issues (just look at those water houses), given their ability to obscure and teflon, but when it comes to issues surrounding Pluto, the sexual and the bodily emerge from shadows, and they go toward excess. This law, especially with its Plutonic overtones of death, life, and control, just freak people out about where the Republican Party is heading. Welcome to the first day of Aires.
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Schiavo resolution passed 203 yes that means democrats also voted yes. meaning the congress has just taken over the duties of the judicial branch and said "separation of powers? never heard of it". That's what Pluto in U.S. Sagittarius has done to the original document of law of what used to be the United States of America. I guess it's time to give this country a new name Posted by: Pallas18 on March 21, 2005 05:45 AM Posted by: Pallas18 on March 21, 2005 07:37 AMpallas18, please get back to your temple. i need to go to church. don't despair. the ugliness of the republican and * moves here are stunning. congress lives in "the time warp" and they're doing it again and again. most members were simply absent today. let them continue on with this. the public is against them by a huge majority, huge. let them bring mrs. s to dc to a hearing (i still can't believe this). let frist tell more lies and have his license challenged. they can just roll with this all day long. they started in mercury retrograde. let them reap the whirlwind. now i shall retire Posted by: mike on March 21, 2005 08:47 AMMike - you are just adorable. I was told long ago that in Egypt I was at the Mike, I'm not in despair. I'm just in resignation - the USA is lost - it's no more - and that is Pluto in Sagittarius and Capricorn - there's no stopping it and no changing it. I'm mentally in preparation for what must be "handled" next.... moving on to assess the next moves necessary as the direction appears. Of course, I'm hopeful that tar and feathers will not have gone out of fashion by the time America Right. Mercury is retrograde at the time of this decision - but Pluto is not. Kiss the separation of powers good bye, .....but we knew that anyway. Happy Palm Sunday to all who partake. Niters. Posted by: Pallas18 on March 21, 2005 09:05 AMIndeed, welcome to the first day of Aires. The astrological new year begins. To what extent does the astrology of this single day impact the rest of the zodiacal year? Now when it comes to the Schiavo case, I think the congressional Republicans may have just re-defined the meaning of the term "legislative over-reach." The Republican Party of even 20 years ago would have been ready to overthrow the government in response to this kind of behavior. My...how times have changed. And who was it that posted the link about how Bush signed the "Right to Die" law when he was governor. That link should be posted again. More importantly, the White House press corps should ask him about it. Who's the flip flopper now? If this new law is in any way related to the tone of political events for the rest of the astrological year, I doubt we Democrats have anything to worry about in the 2006 mid-terms. But honestly, I just feel sorry for the soul of Ms. Schiavo. No one deserves to be left in a vegitative state against their will, and I am sorry for her that she has become the victim of governmental abuse of power (whichever side the government came down on). No soul deserves that. Posted by: Dave on March 21, 2005 10:47 AMI think the Republican party is in trouble. The Social Security scam made a lot of people suspicious. The game in Iraq was lost long ago. The military is in desperate straits. In order to continue the occupation, they need a draft. And I beleve that would be disastrous politically. So they are stuck. Cut back on the war or a draft. We shall see what cards are in the hands now. Posted by: jm on March 21, 2005 11:36 AMAnd meanwhile, John Kerry is breathing fire in the Senate. He is endorsing all kinds of bills that are empathetic with the middle class. His sword is the roll back on the tax cuts for the wealthy. He is trying mightily to get Democrats elected in 2006. Posted by: jm on March 21, 2005 12:07 PMVis, this wonderful clarification of the energy -- "ramming" through this devisive ruling on Shaivo -- is enlightening. The legal ramifications for the future will hold this act's feet to the fire. Created in haste, it may open a Pandora's box of litigation. I weap for Terri. As many have posted previously, she's being used as a pawn for some misguided moral notion and something far more sinister -- removing all semblence of state/self governance. karen Posted by: farout on March 21, 2005 01:14 PMWell, it all does bring up the age old question... Welcome Vis! Good to have your words again... and I really like that term you coined --- "Theo-Con" It certainly suits this group and this situation. As you say, the bill won't stand... but everything this group does is for propaganda, show, theatre... we'll have to see how this hoax, scam, sham plays to Peoria... And yes, the Republican Party has been transformed as you say... but look what replaces it! Ahhh So, as Mike suggests, let them reap the whirlwind... Happy Spring everybody! It's a beautiful day here in the Carolinas... hope it is also in your corner of the world. Posted by: Jo on March 21, 2005 02:10 PMMission Accomplished!.................................. temporarily! http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3087387 http://atrios.blogspot.com/2005_03_13_atrios_archive.html#111128106206105854 In 1999 then governor Bush signed a law which allowed hospitals to withdraw life support from patients, over the objections of the family, if they consider the treatment to be nonbeneficial.
http://www.digbysblog.blogspot.com/ Digby nails it. Scroll down to the "Days of our lives" post. Posted by: Pat C on March 21, 2005 03:41 PMThis was posted on Salon. I just thought it was so right on. I guess he represents that element of the US. " GEORGE W. BUSH, CONVICTED FELON GEORGE W. BUSH, COMBAT DODGER AND DESERTER GEORGE W. BUSH, ALCOHOLIC AND COKEHEAD GEORGE W. BUSH, DRUNK DRIVER GEORGE W. BUSH, INARTICULATE PINHEAD George W. Bush, two-term President." Posted by: Pat C on March 21, 2005 03:43 PMhttp://www.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050317/APN/503171166 GOP protest strips state funding for children's programs Action in the Alabama House stalled Thursday over bills to fund programs for children and victims of domestic abuse as Republicans protested the manner in which a $1.53 billion General Fund budget passed the body. Republican legislators used stalling tactics Thursday to slow down action as the House was unable to get enough votes to consider a bill to fund domestic violence centers around the state. Another bill to fund children advocacy centers failed when the House could not get the 70 votes needed to fund non-state agencies, with most Republican lawmakers not voting. More.... Posted by: Pat C on March 21, 2005 03:47 PM When does life begin? Good question. I go with Word wv.
Congress Passes Schiavo Measure Bush Signs Bill Giving U.S. Courts Jurisdiction In Case of Fla. Woman ongress gave jurisdiction over a brain-damaged Florida woman's case to federal courts early today, an extraordinary legislative move that could empower a U.S. judge to order the reinsertion of a feeding tube that a state court allowed to be removed Friday. Voting 203 to 58 at 12:42 a.m., the House joined the Senate in approving the measure and rushing it to President Bush. He signed the bill into law at 1:11 a.m., saying, "I will continue to stand on the side of those defending life for all Americans, including those with disabilities." More... ........................... http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/032105Z.shtml Casting Aside the Separation of Powers
Vis Numar, PLEASE CHECK YOUR BLOG AD ACCOUNT AN AD IS WAITING FOR YOUR APPROVAL THANK YOU. Posted by: Marc Cantor on March 21, 2005 04:07 PMYikes Vis! Your page opens to the "Free Republic"!! I wonder if the hacker is still in his underwear? Posted by: Pat C on March 21, 2005 04:14 PMAfter reading a CIA briefing entitled, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack inside the U.S.", president George W. Bush cuts short his month-long vacation and races back..." No, that's not right. Mere seconds after being told by an aide that the United States was under attack, George Bush rushes out of a Florida classroom... Uh, no, that won't work either. Within hours of reports of the massive tsunami reaching the vacationing president in Crawford he departed for Washington in order to oversee a massive aid effort... Damn, I just can't come up with a good one today. Plus: Newsweek pegs Chimpy's job approval rating at a mere 45%. Posted by: abilene on March 21, 2005 05:20 PM"The mainstream news media all but buried stories about the global protests this weekend. CNN.com even ran an online poll at one point if it was time to have the Iraq protests stopped. Yet consider that last year, to mark the first anniversary, there were 319 protests all across the country. This year, there were 765 protests all across the country. There's something happening here." Will Pitt On Wolfowitz's appointment. Recall I researched and found that US has only 16.% of the vote? Well it seems EU usually gets to make the International Monetary Fund appointment... So, it is 'customary' for US rez to make appointment... BUT this year! Well, it's an 'in your face' kind of thing, right? Consider that US asked last Feb for Internationals to support rebuilding in Iraq, and got Nada, Nada. Well, with the architect of the invasion, charter Neocon, Wolfie in place, they don't have to ask... they simply send the funds to Halliburton (you think they can stovepipe 'em like they did the intelligence for the rationale to invade? And some are speculating that they can also send Israel funds to develop the West Bank and Gaza. See, these guys aren't hard to predict... just follow they money... they want it all... and they are not into sharing. That is you and I won't see any of it... Social Security will eventually be gone, if they have to break the bank to do it... wv, eloquent commentary on the beginning and ending of life. i had the same thoughts about terry s and her soul having moved on. pallas, in the aggregate, we are currently, i will admit, a nation of fools right now. if you look around, and this just occured to me this morning, there are no prominent world leaders who are offering a compelling positive vision. the germans, irony of ironies, present a good example of internal democracy and external leadership. but they are not what you'd call beacons. there are simply NO positive national leaders. we've got tutu, the dali lama and a few other spiritual leaders. even in that area, we're without much of anything. think of it: catholocism-nothing; islam-nothing; church of england-nothing; nothing, nothing, nothing (as the fugs would say). so, it is time for something new, which you pallas and many here are part of, bottom up, grass roots democracy and spiritual movements. pallas, someone told me i had a past life in egypt as a master builder. i would like to take this occasion to appologize to all the underpaid, exploited workers who helped create those fantastic monuments. i let my ambition get the best of me. happy spring equinox and other pagan holidays!!! Posted by: mike on March 21, 2005 05:38 PMVatican Calls for Keeping Schiavo Alive 1 hour, 36 minutes ago Europe - AP VATICAN CITY - The Vatican (news - web sites) newspaper on Monday criticized the removal of a feeding tube from a brain-damaged Florida woman, saying nobody can claim the right to decide whether a human being lives or dies. "Who can, before God and humanity, pretend with impunity to claim such a right?" L'Osservatore Romano said. "Who — and on the basis of which criteria — can establish to whom the 'privilege' to live should be given?" ................................ http://www.miami.edu/ethics2/schiavo/timeline.htm KEY EVENTS IN THE CASE OF THERESA MARIE SCHIAVO Timeline December 3, 1963 Theresa (Terri) Marie Schiavo is born. Novermber 1984 Terri and Michael Schiavo are married.
Terri Schiavo is discharged from the hospital and taken to the College Park skilled care and rehabilitation facility. Court appoints Michael Schiavo as guardian; Terri Schiavo’s parents do not object.
Terri Schiavo is transferred to Bayfront Hospital for further rehabilitation efforts.
Terri Schiavo’s family brings her home, but three weeks later they return her to the College Park facility because the family is “overwhelmed by Terri’s care needs.”
Michael Schiavo takes Terri Schiavo to California for experimental “brain stimulator” treatment, an experimental “thalamic stimulator implant” in her brain. More, and astounding.... Posted by: Pat C on March 21, 2005 05:38 PMWV, Pat C, Jo and all. Your posts are inspired this morning (thanks to Vis for the opening). How DARE they use Shaivo as an excuse to overturn the constitution? This slimy invasion is nothing short of heinous. And those who've jumped on the ship will go down with the rest of the rats. Yes, Pat you hit it right on the head. Goodbye social security. If anyone thinks they have a say in this they're just fooling themselves. I agree with wv's sentiments -- a correction couldn't come soon enough even if i'm swept up in it. karen Posted by: farrout on March 21, 2005 05:38 PMQueen Camilla ? Parker Bowles in Line to Become Queen By ROBERT BARR, Associated Press Writer LONDON - Camilla Parker Bowles can become queen after all, despite earlier statements by Prince Charles that she will take a lesser title after marrying him, the government said Monday. "This is absolutely unequivocal that she automatically becomes queen when he becomes king," said Andrew Mackinlay, the lawmaker who raised the question. The Department for Constitutional Affairs confirmed that interpretation, saying that legislation would be required to deny Parker Bowles the title of queen. Similar legislation apparently would be required in more than a dozen countries — such as Australia, Jamaica and Canada — in which the British sovereign is the head of state. ~ Wow ! Brits have gotta love this! Posted by: Morgana on March 21, 2005 05:58 PMSomethings going on with gold. two weeks ago it was at 424 this past week it was up to 445 latter part of the week profit taking started this morning it was down to 429 more than 14 $ change. It could be the big boyz taking big profit taking Watch it in the next week. If it goes down to 424 again or thereabouts buy those little gold coins, canadian maple leaf you;'ll have to buy $1000 worth but use that credit card offering 2.2 % interest if you can't scrape the $1000 together. IMHO it's time , past time to have something beside the dollar bill to give you buying power, whether its power to get out of the country or buy food or whatever. http://www.golddealer.com/bullionpage.html seemed to have the best prices with the smallest but they don't carry the 1/20th canadian gold piece. Smallest you can get from them is 1/10th Posted by: Pallas18 on March 21, 2005 06:00 PM"March 14, 2005 - The recent rash of terror warnings shows just how shoddy mainstream journalism has really become. Every major news network in the country ran the very same story of the “alleged” communication between Osama bin Laden and terrorist mastermind Abu Musab al Zarqawi without producing a scintilla of corroborating evidence. They simply flooded the newswires, airwaves and TVs with unsubstantiated, Pentagon-inspired gibberish and left out any supporting facts. The clear intention was to give a boost to Bush’s flagging polling numbers, but the effort fell flat and the media’s credibility took another well-deserved hit." Mike Whitney, www.dissidentvoice.org Let's see: We have two dead guys* --- OBL and Abu Musab al Zarqawi threatening to terrorize the US. And the US gov't using a brain-dead woman to hide the fact that thousands all over the planet are protesting their illegal war and Tom DeLay's evil ways are about to catch up with him, and the rez' ratings are in the toilet (if Newsweek says 45% approve, it's probably more like 35%!); and last but not least, of course, we have an empty suit being hauled from his recreational nest to return to the workplace to sign his name to bogus legislation. Yep, tMercury is Rx. "Ceres turns retrograde early in the morning of March 21, at 26 Scorpio." Death and Dying a theme of Ceres Persephone's abduction into the underworld is a "metaphor of the descent we must all make --- into the darkness and terror of the unconscious where fears of abandonment and death reside." ...A Ceres transit will inevitability come along, denoting our need to confront our fears of dying and to realize the truth of the Ceres-Scorpio death secret -- that release is the precursor to birth. Given the appropriate preparation, this placement may also point to entering into the work of guiding the dying through their death passage. I see the abduction of Terri S. early this a.m. as part of the Ceres-Scorpio energy, conj tUranus... an awakening to our issues on death and dying... and square nUranus in the sixth house (public health)the interference of the gov't (Scorpio rules the 11th, local gov't) with pSun at 0 degrees Pisces. What irony! Pluto is supposed to release Persephone at winter's end... not abduct her! Who says astrology is bogus?
sorry, forgot to add Monex.com has pictures of various gold pieces issued by different countries. Posted by: Pallas18 on March 21, 2005 06:04 PMTime to check in with Paul Levy again. In case you haven't read his latest.................... http://www.awakeninthedream.com/activism.html gold has not been this high since the crash of Here's a page giving gold and silver prices for http://www.golddealer.com/table4.html _____________ Jo, very apropros post. Poor Ms Schiavo IS Persephone - being kidnapped. Posted by: Pallas18 on March 21, 2005 06:23 PMShaivo in Italian means slave. Mimi who posts here on occasion, wrote and told me that. She is horrified by the intrusion and the distraction. ................. There are many strong feelings on both sides of this issue. Without taking sides on the decisions made in Terry Schiavo's case, it has become clear that the Republicans' motivations in this case are purely political, and we are addressing it as such. "Pro-Life" Only When It's Politically Convenient As many of you know, Bush and the Republicans have decided -- or rather, were ordered by Randall Terry of Operation Rescue -- to meddle in the Terri Schiavo case. (For more information, see the University of Miami time line of the case: http://www.miami.edu/ethics2/schiavo/timeline.htm) Interestingly enough, while Bush is publicly backing Operation Rescue and Terri's parents the Schindlers on this issue, he seems to have felt differently about caring for the persons unable to make health care decisions due to incapacity back in 1999. As Governor of Texas in 1999, Bush signed into law a statute that allows hospitals to withdraw life support from patients over the objections of the family, if the physicians consider the treatment to be unbeneficial and especially if the family can't pay. http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3079622 "I'm so ashamed of my state that it executes civilians without criminal history," she told reporter Todd Ackerman. She may be surprised to learn that National Right to Life, the organization that is helping to lead the fight to keep a Florida hospital from removing life support for Terri Schiavo, helped write the Texas law. TheTexas law signed in 1999 by then Governor Bush: http://tinyurl.com/6oxy8 At least two families in Texas have fought this law: the family of a 68-year-old grandfather and the mother of a five-month-old baby (http://tinyurl.com/49p5s) Sun Hudson, the 5-month-old baby whose mother fought the hospital and state to keep him alive, died on March 16 after his ventilator was removed against his mother's wishes (http://tinyurl.com/6dcfp). A Texas court recently ruled that the hospital can remove Spiro Nikolouzos from his ventilator against the wishes of his wife of 34 years and the rest of his family. The family plans to appeal. (http://tinyurl.com/3pnb9) Where are the voices of President Bush and Republican legislators in these cases? Oh, that's right, they approved of this and President Bush signed the law allowing this to happen. ----------------------- In support of the observation that this is entirely political, an unsigned memo was sent around to Republicans urging their involvement for the following reasons (memo originally obtained by ABC News http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/print?id=595905): http://www.opednews.com/wade_032005_delay_schiavo.htm The talking points stated that the Schiavo case was an important moral issue and that the "pro-life base will be excited," and that it is a "great political issue -- this is a tough issue for Democrats." Did you notice that there was nothing about Terri Schiavo in their rationale for taking up this cause? Instead, the GOP has outlined that they need to align themselves on the side of Terri Schiavo because: 1) It will excite the pro-life base 2) It is a great political issue 3) It is a tough issue for democrats ----------------------------- We also note that these are the same Republicans who have made it near impossible for Americans faced with mounting medical bills to protect themselves through bankruptcy. The sanctimonious Tom DeLay is particularly guilty of hypocrisy in this instance: despite the refusal of other Republicans to accept the deep cuts President Bush made to Medicaid, DeLay favors the "compromise" bill proposed by House conservatives, one that would cut Medicaid even more than Bush's budget proposal.
Addendum: a copy of the Progress Report was just received - their talking points are very similar to ours. They also added an excellent point not made above: Bill Frist, who has also been at the media forefront on the Schiavo issue, (and other Republicans) have fought to limit the financial recovery people like Terry Schiavo, whose continuing medical care has been paid for in part by the $1,000,000 in medical malpractice suits she won. Here are the references from the Progress Report: L.A. Times http://tinyurl.com/655vo Bill Frist's website: http://frist.senate.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=Issues.Detail <http://frist.senate.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=Issues.Detail&Issue_id=30&Issue_id=30 ACTION* National: letters@nytimes.com, letters@washpost.com, editor@usatoday.com, letters@latimes.com, 1-800-989-8255 (NPR's call-in number) Posted by: Pat C on March 21, 2005 06:23 PMhttp://forum.truthout.org/blog/story/2005/3/21/9466/08728 Protest Stories Posted by: Pat C on March 21, 2005 06:29 PMhttp://www.suburbanguerrilla.blogspot.com/ TRAITORS WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush has signed legislation transferring jurisdiction of the Terri Schiavo case to a U.S. court. His signature followed a 203-58 vote in the U.S. House early Monday morning approving the bill. "Today, I signed into law a bill that will allow federal courts to hear a claim by or on behalf of Terri Schiavo for violation of her rights relating to the withholding or withdrawal of food, fluids, or medical treatment necessary to sustain her life," a statement from the president said. "In cases like this one, where there are serious questions and substantial doubts, our society, our laws, and our courts should have a presumption in favor of life." "The Bill of Attainder Clause was intended not as a narrow, technical (and therefore soon to be outmoded) prohibition, but rather as an implementation of the separation of powers, a general safeguard against legislative exercise of the judicial function or more simply - trial by legislature." - U.S. v. Brown, 381 U.S. 437, 440 (1965). "These clauses of the Constitution are not of the broad, general nature of the Due Process Clause, but refer to rather precise legal terms which had a meaning under English law at the time the Constitution was adopted. A bill of attainder was a legislative act that singled out one or more persons and imposed punishment on them, without benefit of trial. Such actions were regarded as odious by the framers of the Constitution because it was the traditional role of a court, judging an individual case, to impose punishment." - William H. Rehnquist, The Supreme Court, page 166. "Bills of attainder, ex post facto laws, and laws impairing the obligations of contracts, are contrary to the first principles of the social compact, and to every principle of sound legislation. ... The sober people of America are weary of the fluctuating policy which has directed the public councils. They have seen with regret and indignation that sudden changes and legislative interferences, in cases affecting personal rights, become jobs in the hands of enterprising and influential speculators, and snares to the more-industrious and less-informed part of the community." - James Madison, Federalist Number 44, 1788. Vis, good to hear from you again. You help us to learn and ponder. I like what Jm wrote above about the "cardhand" the Repugs are about to play? No matter what they try to play again it sounds like the same trashy novel they've been showing at us all along. well, 2005 they want more oil...so they must have a war...which means a draft...which causes a hugh public outcry...they shove through SS changes while public is distracted and get megatrillions. Good Goddess they have to realize they can't keep doing the same crap over and over everywhere there is oil! Even dumb USA sheep can figure out it's a wolf in sheeps clothing leading them around with bait-and-sitch! Folks, in the above post, paragraph three, is my guesstiment about the latest repug plans. I really don't want any of it to happen, but I can see how it could; thus the web sites. Also, I should have quotes around the word surprise; because the next one won't be! Jill G (as in too many grey hairs) Posted by: Jill G on March 21, 2005 07:01 PMJill- From a poster at dailykos: "How many times do you have to be hit on the head before you find out who's hitting you?" -Harry Truman I asked this question yesterday. Today came the answer over at DU "Has anyone addressed the racial aspect in the Schiavo/Hudson issue? " "Sun Hudson, who Bush's "Futile Care Act" (also called the "No money, no foody" act) killed this past weekend, was on Medicaid like Terry Schiavo, but was not PVS. The person who was legally responsible for her medical care was completely opposed to the feeding tube being removed. But she wasn't white." "It would seem that when you are black, they can't unplug you fast enough" Gas hits over $3 a gallon in the US and people are Recruiters can't fill their quotas, boys and girls not signing up for the killing fields - their own. In rovebushland these facts make it ripe for another attack at home - excite the populus to volunteer to payback Iran/NorthKorea/Syrria for attacking the US. So what's it going to be? anthrax, nuke, airplanes, disneyland? Posted by: Pallas18 on March 21, 2005 07:24 PMI just ran a chart for the hearing this afternoon in Tampla, Fl on the Schiavo case. The time is 3:00 p.m. EDT. I have 13 Leo rising. Moon at 15 Leo opposing Neptune at 16 Aquarius. I also have Mercury at 13 Aries Rx in the 9th opposing Jupiter at 15 Libra Rx in the third. My interpretation skills in event charts are not very good but I would think that this chart really fits. The moon rising signifies what an emotional thing this is. Third and ninth houses, legal legal legal. With both Mercury and Jupiter retrograde though, chances are that whatever this court decides will be overturned. Neptune in the house of open enemies (and lawyers) makes me wonder how much deception will be employed. With the ruler of the MC in the last degress of Pisces, I would think we're approaching the final resolution of this matter. Astrologers, correct me where I'm wrong and fill in with more if you can. Posted by: Teresa on March 21, 2005 07:38 PMTeresa you're doing just fine. Neptune in the 7th is not only deception, but Although with Mercury Rx I dont think it will be Thanks, Pallas18. An appeals court is sort of on standby. Whichever way it goes, it will be appealed but I think both sides are running out of options and time. In an event chart, is there a house that signifies the end of the matter as in a horary chart? Posted by: Teresa on March 21, 2005 07:50 PMAs in a horary chart,,,look at all the aspects the But don't get me in trouble :) Pallas18, I certainly won't tell :). This entire site is a teaching tool. How can it not be? Anyway, the ruler of the chart, the sun, makes its last aspect to Pluto by trine and the moon's last aspect is the opposition to Neptune. My opinion is that this hearing will side with the parents, mainly because Pluto rules the 4th. Posted by: Teresa on March 21, 2005 08:17 PMVis, Pallas What is it with Florida, in particular Tampa??? As astrological cartography goes, what is the deal here...? Or, is it the *duo that make it such a deal? Just curious Posted by: Jo on March 21, 2005 08:19 PMMarKOS, at dKos has this poll from ABC --- Removal of feeding tube Federal Intervention Support 35 Appropriate for Congress to get involved? Appropriate 27 Reason political leaders are trying to keep Shiavo alive Concern about Shiavo 19 http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/978a1Schiavo.pdf ---------------- Vis' words above: " Hence, a hasteful move has been spearheaded through ideology to impact the judicial branch. Needless to say, this doesn't sit well with many Republicans, and certainly not the majority of the nation. " Poll seems to bear this out, Vis... Posted by: Jo on March 21, 2005 08:25 PMJo Northern Florida is fundamentalist, I would bet lots of western Florida is too.. Southern Florida leans toward more liberal. what can I say.? ___________________ Theresa I haven't run the chart. I'm only going by what you have said. And I dont think this is the chart for today. I think it's the chart for the whole matter. "the ruler of the chart, the sun, makes its last aspect to Pluto by trine and the moon's last aspect is the opposition to Neptune. My opinion is that this hearing will side with the parents, mainly because Pluto rules the 4th." What does the 4th house rule? What does Pluto rule? Doesn't look like a win for the parents to me.
heh heh Now the republicans are mad at the Federal Judge in Tampa, apparently a James Whitmore, because he Apparently they already know how he's going to rule...but they're going to appeal it to Atlanta anyway. Posted by: Pallas18 on March 21, 2005 08:38 PMJust guessing, but wouldn't the 4th House be Scorpio or Sag and Pluto be somewhere around there? But I could be wrong (as I often am) 'cause I'm just guessing. Oh, someone above mentioned that Schiavo's parents are Christian Fundamentalists. They're not. They're Roman Catholic. Doesn't Bush buddies at Bob Jones think all Catholics are evil or something? My, my ... what strange bedfellows. LOL Posted by: Jonathan on March 21, 2005 08:44 PMPallas18, I was going based on Pluto ruling the 4th and the sun ruling the chart. Actually the moon's last aspect will be to Pluto as well, another trine. I earlier said Neptune. Can only learn by my mistakes so I'll just wait and see. Either way, I'm sure it will be reversed. Hey, Americans Coming Together, supported by George Soros is mounting campaing to defeat Bush scamming Social Security. YAY. Time to start a new country The New Liberal America.... Has anyone gone to Morgana's website and seen the map she has put up there. It's such a hoot...I laughed out loud. I usually only make comments out loud when alone at the television and you all know what that sounds like :) I wanted to ask Morgana for permission to reprint her map. How about it Morgana? Would you put the "properties" here? We need a good laugh. Posted by: on March 21, 2005 09:00 PMDo NOT miss this. Particularly the interview of Terri by Jeff Gannon/James Guckert: http://dcinsidescoop.blogspot.com/2005/03/exclusive-gops-schiavo-talking-points.html Posted by: shylurker on March 21, 2005 09:04 PM
There used to be a link to a whole slew of these maps right after the election. An AW'er sent that one to me and I thought it much better then the JESUSLAND (particularly since they better hope Jesus doesn't return right now! He's one ticked off diety). If I find the link to the originals I'll post it again here. Posted by: Morgana on March 21, 2005 09:12 PMMorgana, you lurker! Here's the map from your site...it's the best :)
wanna hear hysterical? CNN has a segment reporting on what the blogs are He hehehhe. They have to get their news from US.! Well let's give them the news they should be reporting!!! Posted by: Pallas18 on March 21, 2005 09:21 PMWV....just about to post about the 2 big earthquakes today (6.4 and 6.9) 6.4 2005/03/21 12:43:12 -24.681 -63.431 561.6 SALTA, ARGENTINA It seems that I am not going with the conversation on Terri Shiavo...it is , I believe, as WV said also....and others....a clear fiasco for all of us, but a clear power/politics play by returds.... Pat C....you must be hardwired into the Matrix....amazing stuff you are posting. Posted by: Judi Gem on March 21, 2005 09:28 PMTheo-confidence men indeed Vis. MarKOS has another piece up at dKos, says Scott McClellan lied at the press gaggle today about *'s Texas "pull the plug" law... http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/21/162132/268 Posted by: Jo on March 21, 2005 09:43 PMHas anyone here ever actually heard Michael Schiavo say his name? The news and the politicians keep saying "SHYvoh" -- but that name is [or "should be"] pronounced "skeeAHvoh." Maybe at some point through the years this particular family switched to "shyAHvoh," which has become a lazy "shyvoh." But there's just as much of a possibility that none of these buttinskis even knows Terry's freakin' name... Anyone ever heard Michael Schiavo speak his name? LONG LIVE JOHN CONYERS, JR!!! -- vcz Posted by: vcz on March 21, 2005 10:22 PMPatC mentioned Terry's birth was 12/03/63. A couple of things jump out at me, but don't know what to make of it. She was born not long after Kennedy's assassination - that in itself is interesting. without doing chart, North Node conjunct US SUn would say this is an issue that needs to be addressed and is fortunate...interesting that it comes up at a time when many many "injuries" are expected whether from flu or earth changes etc. Ceres - food feeding conjunct Dark Moon Lillith is not good. Lillith is always a bad girl and troublemaker Posted by: Pallas18 on March 21, 2005 10:48 PMwv wrote: Her mother is a wacko born again, and those "Christians" who are supporting her are them same Christians who don't give a rats ass how many people we kill in Iraq, Kosovo, Afganishtan or anywhere else. Or how much depleted uranium we leave scattered about the earth to bring death and deformaties of untold generations. Isn't it amazing that these "good Christians" are always SO freakin' afraid to go Home to God? They'll do ANYthing to procrastinate. Even if prolonging the inevitable means untold misery and suffering. Amuses me, no end... -- vcz Posted by: vcz on March 21, 2005 11:13 PMMike wrote: i had the same thoughts about terry s and her soul having moved on. As someone who's had an nde and a few obes, and who clearly remembers the "astral string" which seems to connect soul to physical body, I worry that she may not be able to break that particular tie which binds as long as her body is "alive." What a nightmare!!! However, knowing that we pretty much work out most of our lessons and tests with "the Great Guidance Counsellor in the Sky" before stepping into our bodies, I try to remember that this is something for which she undoubtedly "signed up" before coming to this world and this body. In the larger scheme of things, 15 years is no time at all. If she's stuck, she probably spends a good deal of time "meditating" as opposed to "vegetating"... I'm sure there are lessons in it for her, but I KNOW it's a lesson and test for all of us. Thank you, Terry, for being this timely opportunity to show the sheeple what's happening to this country. vcz Posted by: vcz on March 21, 2005 11:24 PMvery well said vcz Posted by: Jeanie on March 21, 2005 11:45 PMI don't know the exact count, but why do you think so many Democrats voted to support this when they have no qualms about opposing SS privitization? Are they that afraid to lose the Catholic/Evangelical vote? I am just really surprised that this passed with such a large majority. And I wonder if * would have pushed it and signed it if his brother wasn't so deeply involved. Only an act of G-d, wv, or maybe, tragically, more major global catastrophes, some enlightened E.T. cultures, or the rest of the world ganging up on us when Pluto in Capricorn opposes the U.S. sun. Whatever is happening, this has to be stopped. Posted by: Sharon on March 22, 2005 12:17 AMBy the way, thank you, Vis, for highlighting this important item in such a succint way. Posted by: Sharon on March 22, 2005 12:18 AMNew John Conyers blog site where you can post comments to him Go to www.Conyersblog.us . Posted by: Pallas18 on March 22, 2005 12:29 AM(UK) Financial Times: Bush orders policy to ‘contain’ Venezuela's Chavez (Rumsfeld in meeting in Central America -sounds like the boyz are getting ready to attack Venezuela and grab their oil) http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=27214 Mr. Pardo-Maurer said Washington has run out of patience: “We have reached the end of the road of the current approach.”
Mr. Chavez has threatened to suspend oil shipments to the US if it attempts to oust him. He and Fidel Castro, the Cuban president, have alleged, without offering proof, that the Bush administration was plotting to assassinate the Venezuelan leader, an allegation that US officials have dismissed as “wild.” Suggestions that Mr. Chavez backs subversive groups surface frequently, although so far also with scant evidence. Mr. Chavez has dismissed such claims as fabrications designed to undermine his attempts to foster greater political and economic integration in Latin America. -more- Posted by: Pallas18 on March 22, 2005 12:54 AMLet's see: Venzuela obviously won't sell US oil; Iran won't sell US oil; can't get the oil flowing in Iraq; Russia is not going to sell US oil; Cuba is not going to sell its recently discovered oil to US... And we wonder why US is going to start drilling in Alaska? Seems we have alienated everyone else who has any oil... So, head South boyz, pick on those you think least able to defend themselves... ooops, did Venzuela recently enter into an agreement with --- yes, here you go! ..."China, Iran, Russia and Venezuela are making all kinds of oil deals THE INTERNATIONAL FORECASTER editor Bob Chapman writes: Venezuela President Hugo Chavez Frias and Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula d Silva have agreed to create a “Strategic Alliance” between the two countries. The 20 accords include cooperation in oil and gas production, refining, petrochemicals, energy and the avoidance of double taxation. If Iran is not bombed back into the stone age by the cretin who is our president, Iran will start trading oil in dollars and euros in June. We expect other oil producers to follow, particularly Venezuela." http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=25948 -------- Yep, the rez is a uniter alright... these countries are all uniting --- against US... It's the EUROS that are getting under the rez' skin... He should have tried a different approach... bombing is not the way to win friends and ... Posted by: Jo on March 22, 2005 01:09 AM....US Department of Defense, “Chávez is a problem because he is clearly using his oil money and influence to introduce his conflictive style into the politics of other countries,” Mr. Pardo-Maurer said in an interview with the Financial Times. “He's picking on the countries whose social fabric is the weakest,” he added. “In some cases it's downright subversion.” I'm with wv, and vcv on this. Cayce also said that sometimes the soul enters into the physical pre-birth though, usually not very long before- coupla days or so- it all depends on its mission. Terri sure took on something here, good for her! The whole thing is pretty fascinating, and the biggest laugh I get out of it is why are all the fundies so afraid of death? Thanks Vis, you truly add alot to our discussion, and I really enjoy your take on this. Posted by: Peg on March 22, 2005 01:26 AMoops, make that vcz, not vcv. Posted by: Peg on March 22, 2005 01:27 AMJean Grevet (jgrevet@kc.rr.com) recently sent a complaint to the Federal Jean has invited you to learn more and join in this effort by also sending a Michael Schiavo is on Larry King now. I do think the theo-cons may have jumped the shark on this one. They are sickening in their lies. Judi, I laughed out loud at the visual of being plugged into the Matrex. That was just priceless!! Thank you to everyone for appreciating the posts. This is a wonderful place to come, to read, to post. Posted by: Pat C on March 22, 2005 02:24 AMIraq Invasion May Be Start of the Age of Oil Scarcity http://www.freep.com/news/nw/iraq18e_20050318.htm COALITION FORCE: Bulgarian troops to exit Iraq by '06 SOFIA, Bulgaria -- Bulgaria intends to reduce the number of its troops in Iraq in July and bring home the last of the 460-member force by year's end, Bulgarian Defense Minister Nikolai Svinarov said Thursday. On Tuesday, Bulgarian President Georgi Parvanov called for a partial withdrawal of the country's troops from Iraq and for "a dignified pullout" by the year's end. More... ........................ http://thinkprogress.org/index.php?p=480 McClellan: Twisting the Facts About 1999 Law At the gaggle this morning, White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan defended a law Bush signed as governor of Texas in 1999: The legislation he signed is consistent with his views. You know, this is a complex case and I don’t think such uninformed accusations offer any constructive ways to address this matter…[P]rior to the passage of the ‘99 legislation that he signed, there were no protections…The legislation was there to help ensure that actions were being taken that were in accordance with the wishes of the patient or the patient’s family. McClellan’s statement grossly distorts the nature of the law. The law does not ensure that actions are taken “in accordance with the wishes of the patient or the patient’s family.” In fact it codifies and legalizes the ability of doctors to stop treatment even if it goes against the explicit directive of the patient or the patient’s family. More... Posted by: Pat C on March 22, 2005 02:36 AMSo, T. Shiavo was a practicing anorexic many years ago and developed a condition typical of extreme anorexia...potassium "imbalance," a heart attack and brain damage. Now, a her "blood" relatives are fighting to keep feeding her, never mind the medical world knows a vegetative state from a turnip. Sounds like a Orestian Tragedy to me. The kind of drama the Greeks liked to rend their cheeks and tear their garments over to the tune of a droning chorus. A karmic plot woven through generations of family sludge. The Eumenidies, the dark 3 sisters of vengence poised to take revenge on the perpertrators of familial blood crimes. Winged, shrieking ... This is Ceres in Scorpio with a twist. More than ironic. And has anybody besides me thought that the self-righteous T. Delay had a face lift which is now beginning to sag? Too smooth and to feminine a face for all that macho posturing....hmmmm. Thank you for your post Vis, and Thanks Beasley - I liked this: "Sounds like a Orestian Tragedy to me. The kind of drama the Greeks liked to rend their cheeks and tear their garments over to the tune of a droning chorus. A karmic plot woven through generations of family sludge. The Eumenidies, the dark 3 sisters of vengence poised to take revenge on the perpertrators of familial blood crimes. Winged, shrieking ... This is Ceres in Scorpio with a twist. More than ironic." Poetry - prose you write. Please do tell more. and the mythology. I love learning . Lots to consider here Vis. Did you see the Moon coming to her last aspect as an opposition to Mars and as you pointed out the Mercury oppose Jupiter with Mercury going retro on the US Saturn, lots of push pull going on this spring and it looks dangerous with that 29 degree. Really great article Vis. Posted by: Sally on March 22, 2005 03:18 AMPallas, Still, the idea that Oedipus the King paid for the sins perpetrated by his father (he ate his relatives in a stew to prevent them from inheriting power), the house of Cadmus, or Antigone to pay for the crimes of her Uncles and Brothers lives sanguinely in all Greek Drama. The Greeks knew a thing or two. Posted by: Beasley on March 22, 2005 03:32 AMMan, I just read over that last post. Mis-spellings all over the place. Clytemnestra, Apollo, Erinys...well you get the point. Hope it's not to pedantic. Best regards, Good Night!!!!!######@@@@@@!!! ahhhhh - very vague bells (tinkling) Were the Eumenidies also known as the Harpies? They sound similar. Posted by: Pallas18 on March 22, 2005 04:12 AMPallas, go here for the Eumenides: http://www.pantheon.org/articles/e/eumenides.html Posted by: shylurker on March 22, 2005 04:19 AMPallas, and here for The Furies: http://www.in2greece.com/english/historymyth/mythology/names/furies.htm The ancient Greeks were awesome. (Present-day ones not too shabby, either.--for all you present-day ones.) Posted by: shylurker on March 22, 2005 04:21 AMJohn Conyers " They Trashed The Place" you must read this! so good. They Trashed the Place I have known David Broder for a long time. However, from time to time, we disagree. One such instance was when he was reported to have said of President Clinton (during the Clinton impeachment), "He came in here and he trashed the place and it's not his place." Broder apparently reflected a widespread disdain for President Clinton among well-known and influential Washington pundits and journalists. Many rightly felt the national dialogue, and the Georgetown cocktail party chatter, was coarsened by the widespread currency given to graphic sexual descriptions contained in Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr's report. Where Broder and others were wrong was in their assessment of blame -- it was Starr and Congressional Republicans, not President Clinton, that foisted salacious material on the American public. Not only was the "place" being trashed, but democracy itself was being trashed, by the ruthless use of constitutional powers for political gain by Congressional Republicans. Today, our institutions are under an even greater assault. The most immediate example is the meddling of Congress and President Bush in the Terri Schiavo case. Early this morning, the House passed and the President signed into law, a bill that would cast aside state court litigation in the Schiavo matter and send the matter instead to a preordained federal court (where supporters of the bill hope for a preordained outcome). More importantly, the bill turns Florida law and, indeed, more than 200 years of common law on its head, by eviscerating the right of Schiavo's husband to communicate her wishes. Make no mistake about it, with this bill, Congress has usurped the roles of courts, of doctors, of priests, of parents, and of spouses. This presents a dire and immediate threat to our democratic system of government. And it is only the beginning. Last year, Republicans passed two bills stripping the Federal courts of their power to review cases involving the Defense of Marriage Act and the Pledge of Allegiance because they feared they would take too kind a view of Constituional rights. Last month, Republicans passed a class action bill that took jurisdiction away from State courts because they believe such courts treat corporate crooks too harshly. The rules of our democracy and constitution are being manipulated to achieve desired ends, with no thought given to the long term consequences. It isn't just the courts, the Congressional leadership has systematically cast aside the norms of politics and comity in state legislatures. In days gone by, congressional residtricting was known to be so politically contentious and coarsening of relationships, that state legislatures felt bound by the Constitution and decency to only engage in such efforts every ten years, as required by the Constitution. In Texas and now, in Georgia, those norms have been cast aside. The legacy will be ceaseless partisan manipulation for maximum political benefit, with diminishing returns to the American people. The list goes on and on and on. The Government Accountability Office warns this Administration to stop polluting the airwaves with political propanganda disguised as news. The Administration responds by instructing its agencies to ignore such warnings. And so the press is tarnished. The Courts repeatedly rebuke the Administration for ignoring the right to counsel, the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures, and the right to a speedy trial in terrorism related investigations. The Administration continues to do the same under new and equally specious legal theories. And so the bill of rights is diminished. They are trashing the place. Not just Washington dinner parties, but the foundations of our democracy and the glue that binds our institutions. When is enough, simply enough? Posted by: Pallas18 on March 22, 2005 04:25 AMThanks Shylurker... Sally is back. Want to ask her about the three Pallas, I've asked about that a couple of times and I don't want to become an Old Nag. Captain Sally deserves only our deepest gratitude, not nagging. I do hope she shares more on this. I've been banking on it for months now. Tnx! Posted by: shylurker on March 22, 2005 04:55 AMWhat do you all think of this post from DU? Beginning of Post: "Have you read this?.............Have a drink first" It does not seem like much (GM down just over 10% in one day), but as of March 17th, the stock is down to $28.35, and the market cap is down to $16 billion. (GM is down nearly 18% for the week.) It's the type of volatility that we usually only see in silver stocks! What does this mean? GM's stock price decline is like a dagger right into the heart of the U.S. financial system, and the dollar itself! -----end quote.... This was followed by some comments regarding having food and water on hand...Sharon Sharon, I dont think much of it....basing the death of our financial systme on Ford Motor Company...a myth...automotive has been in decline since Toyota came to this country.. We could say the same thing that when Microsoft went from 150 to 25 or intel from 95 to 11 or many other staples of the market . That is not the death of our financial system. Have food and water....gee - how many years has So many "dimbots" from which to chose, which three. I'm afraid I could be considered a "dimbot" tonight, I've not had any sleep in the last 36 hours and am getting ready to lurch my way to bed now. Let me know who you are talking about. I probably missed it before. As far as goddesses and what they are weaving, Neptune went over the US South Node in March 2001 and I think that's then the "Seirenes" began singing for the US, only one person was ever able to hear their song and not be drawn to their death. Neptune has been a very powerful force in the US since 2001, and I think they are still singing drawing us ever deeper. Posted by: Sally on March 22, 2005 05:28 AMSally, you party girl you. You have to tell us of your exploits - of late I'm not sleeping much - just a few hours..I think it has to do with the eclipse which is active in my chart ... a high energy is floating around..and I would bet Did you mention some time ago that pappy, dimson, and possibly grandpappy were all having a Saturn on the Sun return? or some solar return, all three at the same time? Shylurker knows more.. is it the grandpappy Talk of Karma being visited on the sons. Funny coincidence. Delay has a planet in the 10th house at 19 Aries. bushadruggie & gaggle have no support for SS snatchin'. That won't stop it tho... plutonian-like, it'll barrel on thru to take its way. Got to excise it... quick! The others in succession to take its place don't have pluto (in Leo) on the ascendant... like it does. bushaholic is the magnifying glass tool thru which they focus lethal energy. They're gonners w/o the dum-dum frat-brat. Posted by: JoannaOregon on March 22, 2005 08:09 AMIs the end of the neoconmen upon us? "This explosive information was revealed Monday morning in an exclusive report on Democracy Now! This show, unbeholden to any corporate sponsors, is one of the most valuable sources for in-depth investigative reporting left in our nation. (Go to www.democracynow.org to view the BBC film and interview between Amy Goodman & Greg Palast, archived as March 21 show.) Following is a synopsis of the article, coming out today in Harper's: SECRET U.S. PLANS FOR IRAQ'S OIL Reporting for BBC Newsnight (London)
The Bush administration made plans for war and for Iraq's oil before the 9/11 attacks sparking a policy battle between neo-cons and Big Oil, BBC's Newsnight has revealed. Two years ago today - when President George Bush announced US, British and Allied forces would begin to bomb Baghdad - protestors claimed the US had a secret plan for Iraq's oil once Saddam had been conquered. In fact there were two conflicting plans, setting off a hidden policy war between neo-conservatives at the Pentagon, on one side, versus a combination of "Big Oil" executives and US State Department "pragmatists." "Big Oil" appears to have won. The latest plan, obtained by Newsnight from the US State Department was, we learned, drafted with the help of American oil industry consultants.
An Iraqi-born oil industry consultant, Falah Aljibury, says he took part in the secret meetings in California, Washington and the Middle East. He described a State Department plan for a forced coup d'etat. Mr Aljibury himself told Newsnight that he interviewed potential successors to Saddam Hussein on behalf of the Bush administration. Secret sell-off plan The industry-favoured plan was pushed aside by yet another secret plan, drafted just before the invasion in 2003, which called for the sell-off of all of Iraq's oil fields. The new plan, crafted by neo-conservatives intent on using Iraq's oil to destroy the Opec cartel through massive increases in production above Opec quotas. The sell-off was given the green light in a secret meeting in London headed by Ahmed Chalabi shortly after the US entered Baghdad, according to Robert Ebel. Mr. Ebel, a former Energy and CIA oil analyst, now a fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, flew to the London meeting, he told Newsnight, at the request of the State Department. Mr Aljibury, once Ronald Reagan's "back-channel" to Saddam, claims that plans to sell off Iraq's oil, pushed by the US-installed Governing Council in 2003, helped instigate the insurgency and attacks on US and British occupying forces. "Insurgents used this, saying, 'Look, you're losing your country, your losing your resources to a bunch of wealthy billionaires who want to take you over and make your life miserable," said Mr Aljibury from his home near San Francisco. "We saw an increase in the bombing of oil facilities, pipelines, built on the premise that privatization is coming." Privatization blocked by industry Philip Carroll, the former CEO of Shell Oil USA who took control of Iraq's oil production for the US Government a month after the invasion, stalled the sell-off scheme. Mr Carroll told us he made it clear to Paul Bremer, the US occupation chief who arrived in Iraq in May 2003, that: "There was to be no privatization of Iraqi oil resources or facilities while I was involved." The chosen successor to Mr Carroll, a Conoco Oil executive, ordered up a new plan for a state oil company preferred by the industry. Ari Cohen, of the neo-conservative Heritage Foundation, told Newsnight that an opportunity had been missed to privatise Iraq's oil fields. He advocated the plan as a means to help the US defeat Opec, and said America should have gone ahead with what he called a "no-brainer" decision. Mr Carroll hit back, telling Newsnight, "I would agree with that statement. To privatize would be a no-brainer. It would only be thought about by someone with no brain." New plans, obtained from the State Department by Newsnight and Harper's Magazine under the US Freedom of Information Act, called for creation of a state-owned oil company favored by the US oil industry. It was completed in January 2004, Harper's discovered, under the guidance of Amy Jaffe of the James Baker Institute in Texas. Former US Secretary of State Baker is now an attorney. His law firm, Baker Botts, is representing ExxonMobil and the Saudi Arabian government. View segments of Iraq oil plans Questioned by Newsnight, Ms Jaffe said the oil industry prefers state control of Iraq's oil over a sell-off because it fears a repeat of Russia's energy privatization. In the wake of the collapse of the Soviet Union, US oil companies were barred from bidding for the reserves. Jaffe said "There is no question that an American oil company ... would not be enthusiastic about a plan that would privatize all the assets with Iraq companies and they (US companies) might be left out of the transaction." In addition, Ms. Jaffe says US oil companies are not warm to any plan that would undermine Opec, "They [oil companies] have to worry about the price of oil." "I'm not sure that if I'm the chair of an American company, and you put me on a lie detector test, I would say high oil prices are bad for me or my company." The former Shell oil boss agrees. In Houston, he told Newsnight, "Many neo conservatives are people who have certain ideological beliefs about markets, about democracy, about this that and the other. International oil companies without exception are very pragmatic commercial organizations. They don't have a theology." A State Department spokesman told Newsnight they intended "to provide all possibilities to the Oil Ministry of Iraq and advocate none".
You can watch the program online from Democracy Now! Posted by: jm on March 22, 2005 09:41 AMIn my wildest dreams I never would have imagined that the Schiavo case would be the opening round of the events that would ultimately bring down Bushco. I always perceived the matter as being in the same league as Michael Jackson, Scott Petersen, Martha Stewart, as basically inane sleaze to provide the populace with their mind numbing daily dose of bread and circuses. Now that the polls are out, the judge has ruled against reinserting the feeding tube, and the nation has had the chance to listen to Schiavo's husband (a regular "stand up' guy if there ever was one) say on national T.V. that the Bushes and Repub congress should be ashamed of themselves, I wonder if all these nightmarish folks (DeLay, Frist, Hassert, Bush, et al are aware of how sreiously they just f--ked themselves up!Yes, Spring is now truly here!!! Posted by: Grizzly on March 22, 2005 12:04 PMThat's what usually happens Grizzly. The untouchable bully is brought down by something small and unexpected...something they didn't see coming. Posted by: Pat C on March 22, 2005 12:29 PMGreenspan's replacement? Ben S. Bernanke? http://ideas.repec.org/e/pbe55.html http://www.federalreserve.gov/bios/bernanke.htm And the feds may try inflation targetting next... Why the Federal Reserve Should Adopt Inflation Targeting, by Frederic S. Mishkin, International Finance (Spring 2004) Because of the long lags from monetary policy to aggregate economic activity and inflation, monetary policy needs to be forward-looking and preemptive: that is, depending on the lags from monetary policy to inflation, monetary policy needs to act well before inflationary or deflationary pressures appear in the economy... Why the Federal Reserve Should Not Adopt Inflation Targeting, by Benjamin M. Friedman, International Finance (Spring 2004) Inflation targeting has become one of the most significant developments of recent decades in both the theory and the practice of monetary policy. A rapidly expanding literature has analysed the a priori properties of various "inflation targeting" strategies, and an increasing number of central banks around the world have adopted one form or other of this strategy as the basic framework governing the formulation and implementation of their respective monetary policies... Both articles in PDF files here: http://cfr.org/reg_issues.php?id=1|||1 Sounds like Friedman is making the Dem argument about non-transparency. ............................
Reisgo País Traders on bond desks have a special name for risk. Market pros use the term “country risk” to describe and quantify the added cost or yield a foreign country has to pay over risk-free Treasuries. In Spanish, it is called riesgo país. Essentially we’re talking about bond spreads or the premium offered on riskier bonds. In times of crisis, it becomes front page news. During the Argentine debt crisis of 2001 riesgo país became a regularly reported statistic in the nightly news. Everyone followed it from the politicians to the man on the street. The lower the number, the better off the country. A high number was indicative of a crisis. As a result of record low interest rates in the U.S., the “carry trade’, and the global search for yields, riesgo país has fallen dramatically over the last two years. Investor appetite for riskier assets drove up prices and shrunk yields globally. Towards the end of last year spreads on all types of debt—corporate, sovereign, investment grade and high-yield—narrowed and closed below their historical lows. Junk bonds and emerging market debt has been one of the best performing asset classes the past two years. Last year junk bonds and emerging market debt beat the returns earned on equities in the U.S. As shown in the two graphs below, investors in junk bond funds and emerging market debt earned double-digit returns as opposed to single-digit returns in equities. More.... http://www.federalreserve.gov/bios/bernanke.htm Ben S. Bernanke was sworn-in on November 14, 2003, as a member of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for a full term that begins February 1, 2004 and expires January 31, 2018. He originally took office on August 5, 2002, to fill an unexpired term ending January 31, 2004. Dr. Bernanke was born on December 13, 1953, in Augusta, Georgia. He received a B.A. in economics in 1975 from Harvard University (summa cum laude) and a Ph.D. in economics in 1979 from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Before becoming a member of the Board, Dr. Bernanke was the Howard Harrison and Gabrielle Snyder Beck Professor of Economics and Public Affairs and Chair of the Economics Department at Princeton University (1996-2002). Dr. Bernanke had served as a Professor of Economics and Public Affairs at Princeton since 1985. Before arriving at Princeton, Dr. Bernanke had been an Associate Professor of Economics (1983-85) and an Assistant Professor of Economics (1979-83) at the Graduate School of Business at Stanford University. His teaching career also included serving as a Visiting Professor of Economics at New York University (1993) and at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (1989-90). At the time of his appointment, Dr. Bernanke had already served the Federal Reserve System in several roles. He had been a visiting scholar at the Federal Reserve Banks of Philadelphia (1987-89), Boston (1989-90), and New York (1990-91, 1994-96), and he had served on the Academic Advisory Panel at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York (1990-2002). Dr. Bernanke has published many articles on a wide variety of economic issues, including monetary policy and macroeconomics, and he is the author of several scholarly books and two textbooks. He has held a Guggenheim Fellowship and a Sloan Fellowship, and he is a Fellow of the Econometric Society and of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences. Dr. Bernanke served as the Director of the Monetary Economics Program of the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) and as a member of the NBER's Business Cycle Dating Committee. In July 2001, he was appointed Editor of the American Economic Review. Dr. Bernanke's work with civic and professional groups includes having served two terms as a member of the Montgomery Township (N.J.) Board of Education. Dr. Bernanke and his wife, Anna, have two children. Posted by: Pat C on March 22, 2005 12:48 PMEvery letter in the NYTimes today addresses the Schiavo case, including this gem: To the Editor: This case shows political grandstanding at its most blatant. Think: Three and a half years ago, the president received a memo warning of a noted terrorist's determination to attack America within its borders. He remained in Crawford, Tex., and did nothing. But to sign cobbled-together legislation to interfere in a matter that should have remained a personal family tragedy and to appeal to his religious political base, the president flew to Washington immediately. This is a leader who puts political payback before the law or the good of the country. Elizabeth Bass Portland, Ore., March 21, 2005 http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/22/opinion/l22schiavo.html?pagewanted=1 http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/index.html Judge rebuffs Congress, Schiavo parents
Wow! This is really getting exciting, forgetting about the horribly tragic nature of the underlying story. The first judge ruled against the parents, there is an appeal to an Atlanta appelate court, and if the ruling is upheld then it goes right to the Supremes (total turnaround time less than 24 hours supposedly).If Atlanta denies the appeal one of three things will happen, any of which will have truly MOMENTOUS consequences: 1/The Supremes as Daddy's court will do W's bidding and save his sorry ass once again by overturning the Atlanta ruling and the rule of law will officially be dead in the U.S. 2/ The Supremes will be royally pissed that W is trying to usurp the power and independence of the judiciary, and W's case for a creeping coup will be fundamentally weakened as they reject the parents'appeal, and perhaps there is some hope 3/ The Supremes reject the appeal but Bush gets the military or state police to forcibly re-instate the feeding tube anyway, claiming either a national emergency, or that he is acting upon orders from God, given directly to him. At that point the second American revolution might just truly start!!!
Sally's quote: "As far as goddesses and what they are weaving, Neptune went over the US South Node in March 2001 and I think that's then the "Seirenes" began singing for the US, only one person was ever able to hear their song and not be drawn to their death. Neptune has been a very powerful force in the US since 2001, and I think they are still singing drawing us ever deeper." So often there is some serindipitous post coinciding with a personal experience or dream and this, Sally, is no exception. Dreamed last evening that i was on the Pacific shore somewhere in Washington or Oregon. Large tuna-like fish were beaching themselves on the rocks. I wanted to save them but could not because Elephant Seals had already gathered in anticipation of a feast. vcz -- thank you for the reminder of our karmic obligations. Yes, if this is T Schiavo's obligation then she has chosen -- on a higher level of self -- to present a "test." Beasley -- great post(s) reminding us that we can learn a thing or two from mythology (or was it myth?). karen Delay has a planet in the 10th house at 19 Aries. Yep! St. Pete Times' columnist Troxler: Tom DeLay's conduct is odious. He represents everything bad about Congress. His principal pastime is raising large amounts of money from wicked people in return for hurting the public good. The notion that Tom DeLay of Texas is entitled to usurp Florida's rule of law with the claim of being morally superior is akin to Bill Clinton coming down to lecture us on marital fidelity. On top of that, anyone in the way of these half-witted bombasts is a devil. It is not possible that Michael Schiavo might actually believe he is doing what Terri wanted - no. He is a murderer. It is not possible Judge George Greer actually made what he thought was the correct legal decision - he is "merciless." If you are cheering because Congress acted in the midnight hour to "save" Terri, be sure of what you are cheering for. Posted by: abilene on March 22, 2005 02:31 PMTube feeding is not 'natural'... when one is dying the body 'shuts down'... if the brain is already 'shut down' one does not 'experience' hunger or thirst. My Mom died of cancer - colorectal in the beginning, but at the time of her death it was throughout the body. She lost her appetite progressively, as the dis-ease in her body accelerated. At first I would offer her food, but it made her sick and the body could not function to go through the process. In-take of fluid got to the point that she could not take her pain pills with water, we moved to liquid and then she could not even take that... Hospice gave her pallative care through an I.V. The idea of a feeding tube for my Mom was never an option. She didn't want it, and it would have been uncomfortable to say the least. Her body shut down naturally and we attempted to keep the pain at a minimum. The idea of re-inserting a feeding tube in someone who is dying is insane, inhumane and totally controlling. There are always family members who simply can't let the dying member go. But that is their problem. Their needs should not be inflicted on the dying. This entity, Terri S., is said to be in a vegetative state, so one would assume that her brain is not registering 'pain' - but there is pain of a psyche nature I am sure, and it is being inflicted by those around her. If her soul has 'left' already, she is free from the pain of others, but if her soul has chosen to stay, she is enduring significant pain of the psyche for a teaching she is rendering the rest of us. This country has huge issues around death and dying. People refuse to even talk about it. Those of you who have questions about death by dehydration, a method Hospice uses when the patient and the family request it, can google it and read about it. It is difficult for me to understand how withholding an artificial device such as a feeding tube can be translated to 'killing' or murdering... the body is already in the process of shutting down... death would come naturally if the process were not invaded by those who are using this entity and her family and their situation for their own devices. Shame, Shame... it is a rape --- on a micro level, illustrative of the greater rape this fascist regime is perpetrating on a macro level on the beings (or 'Becomings') of this planet, and the planet, Mother Earth herself. Posted by: Jo on March 22, 2005 02:53 PMThis is great! They are coming out fighting for a change. This is an e-mail.
Over the past several hours many of you have been kind enough to share with us your thoughtful reflections and questions regarding the tragic situation involving Theresa Marie Schiavo. Several of you have inquired as to whether or not The Interfaith Alliance has taken a position on the end-of-life issues swirling around Mrs. Schiavo or on the involvement of the United States government in this case by way of votes in the United States Senate and in the United States House of Representatives on Sunday evening and early Monday morning respectively. The Board of Directors of The Interfaith Alliance has not adopted a position on end-of-life issues or directed the staff of The Interfaith Alliance to give attention to these issues either in our policy work or our educational efforts. I cannot speak for them or for the organization on these issues. However, I am astonished, appalled, and grieved by the actions of the two houses of the United States Congress and the White House that have prompted me to write this personal letter. The life-and-death issues brought into focus by Mrs. Schiavo’s sad condition involve medical questions and legal considerations far too complex for me to address without more information. I might add that, in my opinion, members of the United States Congress would have been well advised to adopt a posture of humility and compassion related to these issues as they impact Mrs. Schiavo and her family. Neither Members of Congress nor any of us have any business seeking to dictate procedures for members of a grieving family and numerous doctors, lawyers, and courts that already have considered the familial, medical, legal and personal issues involved in this situation and attempted to address them with fundamental moral, medical, and legal values. As a pastor for many years, I repeatedly have stood with troubled families grappling with the issues that surround Mrs. Schiavo’s bedside. Those experiences have taught me the myths that often get perpetrated as facts in public debates regarding circumstances like those involving Mrs. Schiavo. No perspective regarding a resolution for such a difficult situation has all of the weight of compassion and wisdom behind it. Alongside my concern for the family of Mrs. Schiavo stands my concern for our nation. A family’s grief over the loss of a loved one is being compounded by pontifical posturing among politicians and religious leaders who know too little about the situation even to comment on it much less to attempt to control it. A tragic situation is being made more tragic by the insensitive intrusion into it by Washington politicians seeking yet another venue for speaking to their partisan constituencies and for strengthening their political “base.” For Congress and the White House to jump into this tragic situation at the last minute, after years of court proceedings, and to take a position on the value of life so inconsistent with, if not contradictory to, many of their other decisions, represent unconscionable meddling in the private decision of an American family—a family who needs our thoughts and prayers, not our spirit of blatant judgment and our not-too-subtle politicization. Profound questions disturb me. Are there no limits on the intrusive reach of this government? Where will Washington go next? Do claims of both religious and political authority give a government the right to invade the spheres of personal autonomy and religious independence? How long will the American public wait for such questions to be answered. Dear friends, all of us would do well to step back from the bedside of a woman caught somewhere between death and life, divorce our political initiatives from this realm of personal and familial pain, pray for the peace of Terri Schiavo and her family, and after taking a hard look at how we feel about politicians who are willing to manipulate even personal pain in an effort aimed at political gain, decide what we are going to do about our democracy. Sincerely, Rev. C. Welton Gaddy President, The Interfaith Alliance This is my last post on Terri S. and the government... it is the veils of Neptune obscuring the multitude of misdeeds being perpetrated upon all of us. Keep your eye on the pea, the shell game --- or three card Monte that Nancy has illustrated for us --- is their M.O. As Claudia says, remain aware. [Don't get caught up in their drama.] Posted by: Jo on March 22, 2005 03:00 PMApparently this is one of the things the fascists don't want known at the moment... In the foolish kindergarten game the rez is playing, attempting to force the rest of the world into devaluation in order to maintain the US Dollar as the currency of choice --- China is playing the grown-up, trying to prevent other Asian countries from dumping their dollars too quickly. LeMonde seems only source at the moment, so Jonathan, please check Babel's translation here... La banque centrale chinoise promet une réévaluation du yuan
A Kossack living in France has a diary up: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/22/7493/44720 Posted by: Jo on March 22, 2005 03:09 PMYou are so right Jo, "the pea and the shell." we really do snap our neck these days at any different snap of the twig. They just throw things to the wall and see what sticks. Like you say "don't get caught up in their drama," don't let yourself feel it. Farrout, that is a very interesting dream. Posted by: Sally on March 22, 2005 03:38 PMChina is not quite acting out of generosity and maturity. Always look for motivation and agenda. They are stuffed with dollars and need to stop the other Asian countries from dumping their dollars precipitously for then China's dollars also will be worth nothing. they need the time to slowly dump their dollars too. Posted by: Pallas18 on March 22, 2005 03:47 PMAnd now for a little humor. . . http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5567661291#Billionaires karen Posted by: farrout on March 22, 2005 03:51 PMWell, Pallas, it is mature in that if the dump starts fast and furious, our economy dives... 'course the fact is that China is doing what's best for China, or trying to... which is different from what they and the rest of the world have been doing... and that is shoring up the beast that is on everyone's back, the Dollar, which the gov't prints all day long --- with nothing to back it... Nada, Zip, Zero... only thing keeping the rest of the world from dumping is they are trying to shore up their own house of economic cards while they dump the dollar. We seem to be the ones professing a 'weak dollar' as 'strong' --- debt as healthy, and spending hand over fist for the military --- as much as the rest of the world... nope, Nothing mature about our actions... more of a bluff in a poker game, trying to take the pot with an empty hand. Posted by: Jo on March 22, 2005 04:05 PMgreat posts by everyone. Karen, your dream was really cool- a fish dream is symbolic of a higher calling- "fish" relates to the Christ consciousness. Grizzly, thanks for sharing that info., fascinating stuff. I have the sense that the phone wires have been burning up between Federal Judges and Federal Appellate Judges - not necessarily mentioning the Schiavo case, which would be improper, but about the administration's and Congress' blatant effort to usurp the judicial authority and powers of that branch of government...Things are said among these people that never reach the public eye or ears...and they certainly have their way of screwing people. Judges for life. Would be difficult for Delay & company to attempt to impeach all of them. Since the gop has placed over 200 of their judges on the federal benches maybe they thought they had it sewed up. This may be rather good for the rest of America, They would be very well aware of DeLay-Dimbot's attempting to surgically "redistrict-disembowl" their turf . Posted by: Pallas18 on March 22, 2005 04:26 PMChina et al should dump their dollars... um, where? ;O) Posted by: JoannaOregon on March 22, 2005 04:48 PMWell think about it Joanna. I know that you meant that humorously, like no one would wan the dollar but ... Whoever owns billions/trillions of dollars, such as Saudi Arabia,or World Bank or International Money Fund or G-7 can dictate terms to the debtor. Forms of blackmail. Do what we say or we call in the debt. So let's say an ultra ultra seriously rich country, entity, bank, or consortium of persons even would not care about losing a few billion.... Posted by: Pallas18 on March 22, 2005 04:56 PMIt's just that "money" is so abstract these days... just a word, really. A word game the boyz play in their gotcha games... not that real people & real Natural World don't suffer terribly in the process of their gaming. But they'd make sure that happened anyway. No, "money" is just the preferred game for right now... "money" & boom-booms & rat-a-tat-tats of the abstract phallus. Posted by: JoannaOregon on March 22, 2005 05:01 PMMoney should be tied, as it once was, to hours of labor/effort by a being... but it isn't. It's "tied" to head-banging head trips. Posted by: JoannaOregon on March 22, 2005 05:11 PMWhich reminds me, it would seem a good idea that all keep in mind this govt practices wide-spread & institutionalized abortion every second of the day. They abort viable beings in all countries. What the ameriCO male does not consider--I'm pretty sure they don't consciously--that they are in constant danger of being aborted. War is a good example... & him as a soldier. He's aborted material. They like to think of abortion as a contemptuous women's issue/tissue. Not so. Unconsciously, it makes him squirm. Posted by: JoannaOregon on March 22, 2005 05:21 PMI pointed that reality out to the fellow across the hall, who is a Vietnam vet & recent vet activist. His big gray eyes got quite a bit bigger for a moment, then I watched him--thru his face & big gray eyes--trying to shut out/minimize that info. He ended up saying: "well... not really..." But the thot had "hit target" already. Sure made him squirm. Big strong macho guys aren't aborted... but they are. Posted by: JoannaOregon on March 22, 2005 05:28 PMYou are absolutely key-reck Joanna... " webster:online, after fetus, etc. -- "arrest of development (as of a part or process) resulting in imperfection" --- Oxford Dict., at home - abortive: unsuccessful, unfinished... i.e., *'s plan to dismantle Social Security was aborted when (insert your own words)... it will be aborted again when * attempts to sneak it past the public... I used to use the word for shock when speaking to a group of people... "plans for construction of the public building were aborted when....." never thought about applying it to the death of our troops... bet you got your neighbor's attention! As for where will they 'dump' the dollars? Most Asian countries are trying to diversify their money into a 'basket of currency' --- not all Euros or their own or certainly not the US Dollar. I agree that it's all worthless, but it's the game in play... and for some years now they have tired of the US monoply (no pun intended!). Posted by: Jo on March 22, 2005 05:45 PMJuan Cole is his usual wonderfully informative self this a.m. He compares the Republicans to the ..."The Muslim fundamentalists use a provision of Islamic law called "bringing to account" (hisba). As Al-Ahram weekly notes, "Hisba signifies a case filed by an individual on behalf of society when the plaintiff feels that great harm has been done to religion." Hisba is a medieval idea that had all be lapsed when the fundamentalists brought it back in the 1970s and 1980s." http://www.juancole.com/2005/03/schiavo-case-and-islamization-of.html Posted by: Jo on March 22, 2005 05:57 PMhttp://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0322-06.htm World Water Day: Private Sector Still Eyeing to Own Every Drop Selling water rights to private institutions and then having people buy them back again is an issue that keeps rearing its ugly head at every World Water Day, which falls on Mar. 22 Goaded by international financial institutions and corporate interests, regional governments are pressing ahead with plans for more private participation in water services. And yet all across Asia, water privatization schemes are failing to deliver clean and safe drinking water to communities, despite forcing consumers to pay for a basic human right. ''If you look for a water privatization arrangement that works ... I cannot think of any,'' Manila-based Mary Ann Manahan, a researcher with Focus on the Global South, told IPS in a telephone interview. In contrast, the sterling performance of some major publicly managed water utilities in Asia has demolished the argument that private sector participation is the only way to improve efficiency. More... Posted by: Pat C on March 22, 2005 06:27 PMDidn't Sally mention concern for Uranus coming to And don;t we say Uranus is revolution? Looky here - How bout this H sq H - " The Velvet Revolution" as of 3/22 http://www.velvetrevolution.us/Campaigns/DV4D/Congressi... voting machines are electronic - that's Uranus - NEWS RELEASE: MARCH 21, 2005 TWENTY-THREE U.S. HOUSE MEMBERS SIGN ON TO
farrout wrote: reminder of our karmic obligations. Yes, if this is T Schiavo's obligation then she has chosen -- on a higher level of self -- to present a "test." Although I've been studying astrology for more than three decades [as a "clarifier" for basic clairvoyance], extreme dyslexia makes it very hard to read anything other than basics in a chart [it won't sit still for conjunctions, quincunxes, etc.]. Numerology is much easier for me... Terri was a 7, and I'm pretty sure I remember seeing that her heart-attack and subsequent "brain death" happened in a seven year, seven month, on a nine day for her. Classic, much? Someone mentioned looking at what's happening on planet Earth, these days, and said, "don't feel it." Reminded me of one of my mantras: Feel it, but don't buy it. I "died" when I was three, and although I "accept" that I must be away at boarding school for a while, when it's time for me to go Home, MAN, am I ready! [And I've spent decades thinking of "death" as my "Olympic dismount from Life," just in case it's a tsunami wave or a fire or a bomb which sends me Home. I hope to focus on my "landing" rather than upon my Fears.] Watching "good Christians" fight tooth and nail to do anything BUT "go Home" lets me know that, regardless of their protestations to the contrary, they have no conscious relationship with God. Their "god" is made in man's image, and they "live for" all things Worldly. I'd be scared to go Home, too... PLEASE, TAKE ME NOW! lolol Judge Greer: Republican, Baptist, has been kicked out of his CHURCH! CLEARWATER - Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge George Greer left his church last week after the pastor wrote him a letter suggesting "it might be easier for all of us" if he leave. Greer, whose orders on the Terri Schiavo case have brought him criticism, is a Southern Baptist who attended Calvary Baptist Church in Clearwater. Rice's letter became public when he sent a copy to the Clearwater courthouse. Rice also said the church supports keeping Schiavo alive, though he said he was "truly saddened and embarrassed by the level of harassment and vitriolic nature of so many comments that purportedly come from people of faith." Rice, who has been pastor at the church for five months, added: "But you must know that in all likelihood it is this case which will define your career and this case that you will remember in the waning days of life. I hope you can find a way to side with the angels and become an answer to the prayers of thousands." Pastor Rice should be removed from his duties & church!!! what can we do to facilitate that? SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
March 22, 2005 NEW YORK (Reuters) - General Electric Co.'s(GE.N) GE Capital unit has withdrawn a $2 billion loan facility for General Motors (GM.N) and its suppliers, the Financial Times reported on Tuesday. GM, which slashed its 2005 profit outlook last week due to a lagging U.S. auto market, will now provide its own factoring, or early payment, service to its suppliers, the paper reported. ``After GE Capital announced plans to discontinue their early pay program, it was important for GM to continue to provide this benefit to its suppliers given the current challenges to the automotive industry,'' Mark Fischer, director of supply risk management at GM, told the paper.
Most Americans appreciate the complicated and sensitive concerns at stake here far better than the politicians. Whatever the range of opinion on the underlying issue, polls show that the public recoiled at the sight of elected officials racing to make hay of this family's private pain. Those findings only underline the hubris of the House majority leader, Tom DeLay, and the other G.O.P. leaders. Their egregious pandering was directed not at the bulk of the populace, but at their base vote among the evangelical and fundamentalist conservatives who have been demanding greater deference since working to deliver Republican victories last year. The political timidity of potential opponents was woeful. No one dared even demand debate in the Senate. In the House, many opponents seemed simply to prefer to stay away. Arguments against the bill were led by Florida Democrats, who had the most reason to be offended by Congress's crude overriding of state government. Sanctimonious rhetoric rang out about the value of each individual life even as a strategy memo was reported circulating among G.O.P. lawmakers cynically relishing the points to be scored with the right-to-life political machine in next year's elections. The rush to save Terri Schiavo was mixed with the urge to get rid of Senator Bill Nelson, the Florida Democrat who faces re-election next year.
I'm going to spam that article on the Baptist Minister. Someone posted this on Salon, and it gave me a good giggle. "I'd like to introduce the "Never Say Die" Bill. It's targeted at the congressmonsters intent on preserving "life" at any cost. We should make sure that when they die (try to die) all possible measures are taken to make sure that they can't. Let their families go bankrupt paying to make their skeletons twitch ("look! the skull is smiling!") in perpetuity. At some point, the families will no longer be rich enough for the bankruptcy protections they're leaving intact. You might want to make videotapes of them speaking now, so that when brain-death occurs you can make the case that really, they're functioning better than they did before they were hospitalized." Posted by: Pat C on March 22, 2005 07:32 PM
Someone posted awhile ago a poignant observation about the currency. That essentially it is a contrivance. It value, once tied to gold, has no relevance at this time other than a means of exchange. And. . .even if one did have gold or silver coins in their possession for exchange purposes, it may not be enough in this coming correction. What WILL be of value is trading. Trading goods, trading skills. In fact, when the currency does crash retail will crash along with it since there will be no means of exchange unless we switch to the Euro ;-). The upside of that would be to watch Walmart crash. That said. . .i have a personal request. My book "The Summons" -- the first of a series -- will be complete in approximately three months. And i need a good editor. Can any of you brilliant astroworlders help? I will either trade art with you or pay you outright (if we can agree on the terms ;-) The editor i would use is a mighty busy and unable to help. And. . .for some odd and wonderful reason. . .i felt it would be good to ask here. Please contact me via personal email. Oh, i would be most appreciative. karen Posted by: farrout on March 22, 2005 07:44 PMPastor Rice is not alone: "James A. Smith Sr., executive editor of the Florida Baptist Witness, told Baptist Press March 18, “My editorials and our news coverage have focused on the facts and ethical implications of this case and not at all concerning Judge Greer’s personal faith commitment or his church membership.” Smith said he did not become aware of Greer’s membership at Calvary until after he had written a second editorial on the Schiavo case later in September 2003. “The Witness stands by all of its editorials and news coverage on the Terri Schiavo matter,” Smith said. “I remain convinced, especially in light of events of the last few days, of the critical importance of this case for the sanctity of human life in our state and in our nation.” Smith also told Baptist Press, “It appears that Judge Greer has chosen to remove himself from the loving care of a biblically sound church rather than to submit to the biblical obligation to exercise his public duties in a manner that is consistent with his Christian faith. This is regrettable for Judge Greer because he could not be better served than to be under the teaching of Dr. Rice. “Dr. Rice is to be commended for his courageous defense of Terri Schiavo in spite of the difficult circumstances related to his now-former church member’s involvement,” Smith said. “I believe that other Southern Baptist churches would be well-served to follow the model of Dr. Rice in the manner in which he has dealt with this difficult situation.” http://www.floridabaptistwitness.com/4028.article Mental illness is live and well in the good 'ole USA according to the World Health Organization (as if we didn't know that already, starting with our "great leader"). Here's David Podvin's take on it ... would be highly amusing if it were a novel or a movie, unfortunately it's not. Welcome to the time warp ... http://makethemaccountable.com/podvin/more/050322_AmericaRules.htm Posted by: Marta on March 22, 2005 08:29 PMCheck out the Drudge Retort on Schiavo case.... Jo...just a quick comment on the post about Schiavo....my psychic healing training was about removing the energy of EVERYONE from the person needing the healing....because the main interference in healing are ALL THE EXPECTATIONS of the doctors, family members and others with an interest in the "outcome".... So while working on the chakras, energy and emotions of the person, the main attempt is to get the interference OUT of the aura of the patient. Now Schiavo has most assuredly been gone from that body (as we all sense, I think)....but her living body has become a pawn in a game in which it appears the parents (to my view) need the drama....and the politicians need the exposure. Not one of them, it appears, other than her husband, seems to be looking after what Terri needed. IMHO Toward the end of WW2 - Hitler was desperate for I'm reminded of this by today's news report: March 21, 2005, 2:04PM Army raises enlistment age for reservists to 39 Reuters News Service If possible, someone ought to find Schiavo's data and run her birthchart. There's got to be some interesting aspects in it. Posted by: Dave on March 22, 2005 09:10 PMAnd now a word from the poodle UK Guardian Churches 'should play bigger role' Tony Blair revives pre-election debate on faith and politics. http://politics.guardian.co.uk/election/story/0,15803,1443470,00.html Posted by: Pallas18 on March 22, 2005 09:23 PMDave, PatC posted this info, and more, upthread. http://www.miami.edu/ethics2/schiavo/timeline.htm http://www.nndb.com/people/435/000026357/ Thanks Jeanie. She was born in Pennsylvania. I just heard some right wing talking head on CNN saying that if the courts do not put the feeding tube back in place, Bush may take it into his own hands. This may have been the object of this spectacle all along. He may be trying to do to the United States what he did in Texas. Take total control and rid the population of the sick and the poor. This may be what Sally meant when she said to watch the pea in the shell game. Jo as well. Posted by: Pat C on March 22, 2005 09:41 PMPat C.....will GWB take the feeding tube in his hands literally speaking? what a sight that would be. Posted by: judi gemini on March 22, 2005 10:04 PMI'm hoping that the motivation behind the democrats that actually voted with this measure in congress, was to expose the madness of these people that refuse to take no for an answer. Well...Terri S has Merc. conj. Mars at 26 and 28 Sag...T.Pluto doing its final transformation? Not to mention Saturn 17 Aquarius, with TNeptune conjuncting Saturn, and inconjuncting (frustration, difficulty I think a chart on her day of the heart attack should be next.... Posted by: judi gemini on March 22, 2005 10:15 PMDecember 3, 1963 Not only is she a 7, but the 6 is her path [to me, one of the most difficult conundrums]. Most people associate the 6 with sex, and forget that the other side of its coin is all about severe restriction. Seems pretty clear that "she is making us think." Keep wondering about "the other side of the coin" she's now living. Am always curious about such things. In a past life, did she keep others imprisoned? In past lives, were tortured animals abusive humans? When what we sent around comes back around, in the grand scheme of things it is a Gift rather than a "punishment" [and since when do most of us truly believe anything we haven't "seen with our own eyes?" lol]. So I'm not thinking, "what kind of hideous bitch was Terri that this is happening to her now," at ALL! I simply love cogitating God's puzzles [which seem to be scattered EVERYwhere I look]... vcz Posted by: vcz on March 22, 2005 10:17 PMShows how much the talking head knows about inserting a feeding tube... * would no more be capable of that than he would riding a bicycle... Posted by: Jo on March 22, 2005 10:19 PMKaren, I absolutely agree with you on the economic problem being solved through trading of goods and skills. I've been doing that all along. CNN is running Schiavo as its main story. This is apparently more important than the things on the sidebar - a school shooting that left 9 people dead (NINE TIMES THE DEATH!), North Korea getting more nuclear weapons, a study showing 10 million (TEN MILLION!) illegal immigrants in America, and Michael Jackson. MSNBC also runs Schiavo higher than the Minnesota school shooting, terrorism, and interest rates. FOX is running Schiavo and the school shooting as the two top stories. Some think the evangelicals are using Terri as a prop for their revitalization of anti-abortion campaign!... Posted by: Jo on March 22, 2005 10:24 PMIf you think these oil wars are bad, wait till you see the water wars. In fact, I think that is already happening in the Middle East conflict now. According to the procession of equinoxes, we are due for another Ice Age. They come every eleven and one half thousand years. When the next one arrives, so the theory goes, the population will move toward the equator, and the water wars will be waged in full. Posted by: jm on March 22, 2005 10:34 PMvcz, I was wondering the same thing today about Terri's karmic obligation! and Feb. 25 is a very bad vibration day, (so is April 18/19). My wish for this situation is that it would allow people to remember that you are not your body. Michael must be a very strong soul to be her guardian like this, what a bond they established. Posted by: Peg on March 22, 2005 10:34 PM"Pat C.....will GWB take the feeding tube in his hands literally speaking? what a sight that would be." Judi, as Jo said, NO WAAY. I do not even imagine it. Posted by: Pat C on March 22, 2005 10:45 PMvcz....yes, those karmic paybacks....pretty heavy going ..... but maybe she is, vibrationally speaking, being healed on the other side by all the attention. It is a multi dimensional problem...or opportunity. I keep thinking of a scene from a movie called Resurrection (1978) with Ellen Burstyn and Sam Sheppard...terrific movie btw. Rent it....anyway, she has become a 'tent healer' and some middle aged parents bring their daughter, who is on a stretcher, seemingly in an altered state, and Ellen puts her hands on the girl to do a healing, and immediately takes them off. She turns to the parents and says "I can't help her....she needs this (condition) too much..." This is almost the reverse....the parents and politicians and religious people need it more than they need to heal Terri by letting her let go and go on. Posted by: judi gemini on March 22, 2005 10:47 PMIn my experience, I have seen that people have even more subconscious control over their deaths than they do their lives. This woman's death is ultimately her own decision. Posted by: jm on March 22, 2005 10:56 PMAnd mebbe Miss Teri is performing a wonderful service to the collective... a focus of some much needed dialogue & may help bring down bushaholic. Why decide "in her past lives," she did awful things & gettin' punish-payback. That line of thinking is junk imo. It's another blame the rape victim. Bah. Humbug. Posted by: JoannaOregon on March 22, 2005 10:58 PMNo Bill Frist, the doctor who wants to be president will. visualize it...Bush arrives with Frist...and they are the heroes to the wackos weligious. Posted by: Pallas18 on March 22, 2005 11:02 PMI feel sadness for her ordeal, and I also feel sure she has earned many "gold stars". I know she is loved. Posted by: Pat C on March 22, 2005 11:02 PMhttp://www.washingtonmonthly.com But that's it for the day. No more Schiavo-blogging from me. Why? Max says it well: In other news, the Environmental Protection Administration is protecting polluters from public health considerations, the Food and Drug Administration is approving drugs that kill you, the Social Security Administration is trying to wreck Social Security, the Bureau of Indian Affairs is stealing native Americans' money, our diplomats are lying to our allies, and the House Ethics Committee (sic) has been packed with donors to Rep. Tom DeLay. It makes you nostalgic for b***-jobs in the White House. The clown show is distracting us from more important matters. Onward. Posted by: abilene on March 22, 2005 11:03 PMI have always thought it the extreme of megalomania to think that anyone has the power over another person's death. This is all reminding me of Gulliver's Travels. All these insane factions.... Posted by: Pat C on March 22, 2005 11:04 PMThat, too, abilene... imo. Posted by: JoannaOregon on March 22, 2005 11:05 PM
Joanna wrote: And mebbe Miss Teri is performing a wonderful service to the collective... a focus of some much needed dialogue & may help bring down bushaholic. Why decide "in her past lives," she did awful things & gettin' punish-payback. That line of thinking is junk imo. It's another blame the rape victim. Bah. Humbug. I tried to be so very clear in stating that I believe she is both performing a wonderful service and studying lessons of her own [egotistical to think "it's all about us," and doesn't allow her life and soul much complexity]. AND "the worst things" which have happened to me often turn out to be the ones I treasure most, in the long run. I have been both molested and raped in this lifetime. I excuse neither the molesters nor the rapists. I "blame myself" for nothing. I recognize, however, that I, too, have been a rapist [seen during my "death" at age 3]. I believe that having seen it from both sides is, in terms of my soul development, probably much better than not. I don't completely understand it, but I do see patterns. And I know above all that God does not punish us, and that, SHOULD Terri have been, for example, one who had once imprisoned others, she WANTED to go through this, AND was willing to let her lessons facilitate ours, collectively. I like to ponder God's intricacies, dispassionately. To wonder about such things is not to "blame the victim." Again, I thought I'd made those basic fundamentals abundantly clear. If not, please consider them clarified. Like buttah! vcz Posted by: vcz on March 22, 2005 11:21 PMsomeone just reminded me of what I had written I wrote this prior to Terri Schiavo - and I had forgotten about it. Of course, the eclipse is active a month before, and here it is certainly with Chiron and Saturn involved: "Yet, there’s something nasty about Eclipse Mercury, Sun, Moon, Venus and North Node conjunct Chiron and squaring Eclipse Saturn exactly; almost as if all of Congress is in agreement to keep quiet about their true goals" This belief in their power over life and death will be the demise of the Bush crime family. They repeatedly kill others to gain the power that will always elude them. Or to steal death, as in the latest case. Ms Schiavo's former guardian on Lou Dobbs just revealed that her parents had said - even if Terri had left a living will - they would fight it. (Alice in Wonderland - why do we euphemisticly name everythig the opposite of what it is...it's not a living will - it's really a dying or death will) Posted by: Pallas18 on March 22, 2005 11:39 PMA Kossack asked the following question: "What can we do when this group of Republicans controls the entire government?? Absolutely nothing??" And answered it: Blog, read, teach, hope --- He is a pastor and he goes on to say: "I remember an exchange in the tales of the earliest Christian monks, the Desert Fathers. This will not be word for word, but you will get the gist: The novice asked, "Abba (which means father or master), what do we do here in the Desert?" There is an ancient Jewish tale about a old man who gave loving care to a new olive tree, and was asked why he worked so hard when he would not live to see the tree bear fruit. His response was that the tree would be their for his children, his children's children, and their children. I take this to heart, even though I have no children of my own. I keep going "for the children." Your children if you have them, those of your nieghbors, those in Iraq and Afghanistan and China and Congo and Darfur. We cannot allow ourselves despair. We cannot let even justifiable rage paralyze us. We must go on. We must pick ourselves up, tend olive trees whose fruit we may never see. Yes, we must have faith that the actions we do that we think have no effect may influence beyond our greatest hopes." I couldn't think of a thing to add to his thoughts, except "Chop wood, carry water" --- Namaste
Jo, even doing it for the tree would be very worthwhile. The tree is alive and offers gifts to other lives. ....and the beat goes on. Posted by: Pat C on March 23, 2005 12:02 AMJo I have been confused for awhile when you refer to because you know in Russia's history a Kossack has a totally different and unpleasant meaning and history, right? Posted by: Pallas18 on March 23, 2005 12:03 AMAmen to that Jo. It is the message of the sages of the ages. Pallas, CNN has been saying Judge Greer is a Clinton appointee...it turns out he's a republican And the Florida Republicans are turning against heheheh heheheh hehe heh eh heh Accused of "murder" in the Schiavo case by U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay, the judge is defended at home.
Such labels, troubling in any context, are particularly grating when they involve two members of the same political party. "I was absolutely so disgusted with what he said," said County Commissioner Bob Stewart. Pinellas County Property Appraiser Jim Smith, a former state legislator and Republican state committeeman, called DeLay's remarks "a disgrace." Local Republicans had their own words for Judge George Greer, who, as presiding judge in the Terri Schiavo case, ordered the removal of her feeding tube on March 18. Conscientious. Honest. Compassionate. A good Christian. An outstanding lawyer. more
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/ Posted by: wv on March 23, 2005 12:49 AMI had read this article some time back - just re-read it and thought I would post the link for those who have not seen it. I haven't had time to catch up, but I had to post this David Podvin. Forgive me if it is already posted. It is hilarious and brilliant. http://makethemaccountable.com/podvin/more/050322_AmericaRules.htm Posted by: Nancy on March 23, 2005 12:57 AMThe false kings fall. There MUST be truth in that statement! Posted by: Laurie on March 23, 2005 01:20 AMThere are so many levels to this. My friend just told me that in the Jewish religion, a person would have the right to refuse a feeding tube, but once it is in place, it cannot be taken out. I think that cannot apply to someone like Terri because she had no choice on the feeding tube (other than what her husband says she indicated to him about her wishes). This political drama is so indicative of a John Grisham novel, and is also quite an example of the polarization between the old ways (50s-60s) of thinking and the new (which may also be older). It is a difficult step, though, for our society to be moving closer and closer to concepts like assisted-suicide and euthenasia as it is, but this case is not cut and dried and there are ethical issues involved apart from the drama of the government getting involved. My empathy goes out to all personally involved in these events. In the article www.miami.edu, the name of Dr. Ken Goodman, head of Medical Ethics, was noted. He is someone I knew in the good old days when I worked at University of Miami School of Medicine (for 20 years). And Jo, I like your stories. You would be interested to know (if you don't) that Abba means father in Hebrew, which is just another reminder that the early Christians were mostly Jews. And, of course, many were Essenes and the people who wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls. (Very interesting traveling exhibit moving around the country on the Scrolls, which I saw in Mobile last month.)
What About Novak? For more than 40 years, Beltway pundit Robert Novak has been a scowling bundle of contradictions. Now the high-decibel conservative who exposed Valerie Plame as a C.I.A. agent is at the silent center of a Justice Department probe—and as unrepentant as ever On the afternoon of last year's New Hampshire primary, Robert Novak was in the Merrimack Diner in Manchester broadcasting a segment of Crossfire. It was a garden-variety event for Novak, then on his 12th presidential campaign and his umpteenth edition of CNN's gabfest, until a local man, furious with Novak for outing a covert C.I.A. agent in his syndicated column, started shouting at him during a commercial break. "You're a traitor!" he shrieked. "You're a traitor!" The man was hushed up, the program resumed, and Novak talked more politics. More.... Posted by: Pat C on March 23, 2005 02:56 AMhttp://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0322-10.htm Europe Prepares Its Case Against Wolfowitz Paul Wolfowitz, the controversial U.S. nominee to take over as World Bank president, will face some of his biggest critics during a trip to Brussels. The European Commission, the executive arm of the European Union (EU), announced Monday that Wolfowitz had agreed to visit Brussels, as members of the European Parliament (MEPs) launched a campaign to block his appointment. U.S. President George W. Bush announced Wolfowitz as the U.S. nomination to head the global lending institution for developing countries last week. Wolfowitz, who is currently the deputy secretary of defence, will meet Louis Michel, European commissioner for development and humanitarian aid during the visit, and will explain his views on development to EU officials.. ”I am looking forward to meeting Mr Wolfowitz in Brussels to listen to his ideas on development, the main challenges ahead, and his vision for the World Bank as a major actor,” Michel said in a statement last week. ”As the world's largest aid donor, the European Union has built a strategic partnership with the World Bank to pursue its main goal, which is poverty alleviation. This institution plays a crucial role in addressing the development challenges, a huge task that can only be tackled by a joint effort of the international community,” he added. No date for the meeting has been set, and it remains unclear whether the meeting will be held before or after the World Bank board meets to pick a successor to outgoing president James Wolfensohn, whose term ends May 31. More... Posted by: Pat C on March 23, 2005 03:00 AMSharon, I read that there was quite a dispute in the very early days, between Paul (who had never met Jesus) and James-the-Just (the brother of Jesus), as to whether Jesus' teachings were supposed to be a message primarily for those of the jewish faith, or whether His message should be preached to others as well in order to convert them. Posted by: Jeanie on March 23, 2005 03:03 AMpaleo-cons, neo-cons, theo-cons, and now we get sleazo-cons.... and it's the cons eating eachother! Posted by: Vis on March 23, 2005 03:11 AMIf they are not "eating" each other now, I cannot imagine it will be long. The Podvin article Nancy posted couldn't be more true, the insanity seems to keep broadening unchecked. Posted by: Sally on March 23, 2005 03:42 AMVis, All day long I've been thinking of karen farrout's dream. And you just said it. The fish (fundies) washing up onto the rocks (hitting walls -all washed up) while the Elephants (repugs) Seals are waiting to eat them. Also karen, on a spiritual level are you feeling like fish out of water? Not in 'tuna' with others? Emotions rising? Posted by: bhakti on March 23, 2005 03:49 AMGreat delineation of Vis' dream, bhakti imo... the psyche appears to love puns & that dream was loaded with 'em. ;O) Posted by: JoannaOregon on March 23, 2005 04:41 AMI'm trying not to be cynical here; the Dems are bending over to be...well, whatever happens when one bends over with one's rear end in the air.
I'd like to know Terri's nurse's religious and political affiliations. Much easier to believe that a republican fundie would submit a false affidavit than that someone would tell medical care-givers they can't wait for a patient to die because they'll then be rich, and able to buy homes and cars and take trips to Europe. Had she said she was having an affair with Michael Schiavo and all of that was pillow talk, it would be much more believable. However! The description she gave of Terri's life and "capabilities," even if true, is not a life to which I would aspire. "Oh! I can tell people I'm in pain...a lot...and let them know my diaper is dirty. I occasionally giggle, and acknowledge someone's greeting. Yessirree Bob! Gimme another FIFty years of this, if at all possible..." Michael Schiavo's been offered a million [and probably more] to "hand her over." If it's all about the money, why isn't he taking it and walking away? vcz Posted by: vcz on March 23, 2005 07:04 AMhttp://www.arabnews.com/?page=4§ion=0&article=60884&d=23&m=3&y=2005 Wolfowitz Dating Muslim Woman Causes Stir Shaha Ali Riza WASHINGTON, 23 March 2005 — Here’s a bit of news that had Washingtonians choking on their coffee this morning: President Bush’s neoconservative hawk Paul Wolfowitz, the Pentagon’s architect of the US invasion of Iraq, is dating a Muslim! CNN, Fox featured ex-Schiavo nurse whose affidavit was dismissed as "incredible" by judge The remaining affidavits deal exclusively with events which allegedly occurred in the 1995-1997 time frame. The court feels constrained to discuss them. They are incredible to say the least. Ms. Iyer details what amounts to a 15-month cover-up which would include the staff of Palm Garden of Lago Convalescent Center, the Guardian of the Person, the Guardian ad Litem, the medical professionals, the police and, believe it or not, Mr. and Mrs. Schindler. Her affidavit clearly states that she would "call them (Mr. and Mrs. Schindler) anyway because I thought they should know about their daughter." The affidavit of Ms. Law speaks of Terri responding on a constant basis. Neither in the testimony nor in the medical records is there support for these affidavits as they purport to detail activities and responses of Terri Schiavo. It is impossible to believe that Mr. and Mrs. Schindler would not have subpoenaed Ms. Iyer for the January 2000 evidentiary hearing had she contacted them as her affidavit alleges. http://mediamatters.org/items/200503230001 Posted by: vcz on March 23, 2005 07:15 AM**********WELCOME TO "HEE HAW" NATION********** Sorry, I couldn't resist (I'm capitalizing for effect). Why are we buying into the side show created by the *bots. It's one thing for them to foist this upon us, it's another to take the ride. The Shiavo, Jackson, ____________(fill in blank), cases are just a diversion. We are sucking gas as a nation, internally and in our foreign policy. Why is that? It's due to the fact that WE'RE RULED BY IDIOTS. And the idiots are enabled by the CM (corporate media), which is paid off indirectly through breaks to the CM's parent companies. Ah, what a deal. IDIOTS, IDIOTS, IDIOTS. You cannot think without a cerebral cortex. Adult males who sleep with young boys, over and over, are perverts. People who argue against biological and social science when the evidence is clear, compelling and stark are IDIOTS, IDIOTS, IDIOTS. I'd like to see more about alternatives to oil for the cars we have now, potential energy sources that are affordable and clean, and methods of advancing the healing sciences quickly and safely. And, oh, I'd like to see my form of national health insurance: (1) leave care in the hands of private carriers/providers but have the Federal government assume 'catastrophic coverage' (this makes sense because care is well under contro); (2) have the Federal government become a single source insurer for medicine so it can negontiate smack-down discounts for all Americans (health care costs are rising now because of drug increases). Simple isn't it...we get to keep the government out of the care providing/deciding business but bring it in as an enabler of treatment options that don't put us in the poor house, i.e., 40-70% reduction in drug costs, no poor-house effect from 'catastrophic' health care events/costs. As for the IDIOTS, adios and good bye. Posted by: mike on March 23, 2005 07:22 AMI apologize, everyone, for the generally non-political nature of this post, but if this isn't Mercury Rx in action... Seeing this affect one of Faux/News Corp's major cash cows, I just couldn't help but share the observation. AN “AMERICAN IDOL” FIRST – A LIVE WEDNESDAY “PERFORMANCE SHOW” WITH A RE-VOTE MARCH 23 ON FOX Phone Lines To Be Open For Two Hours After The Show Results Show To Air Thursday, March 24 Due to an error with the graphics shown on-screen (incorrect voting numbers were displayed) during the performance recap at the end of tonight’s AMERICAN IDOL, a live, one-hour show will air Wednesday, March 23 (9:00-10:00 PM ET live/PT tape-delayed) on FOX to enable a re-vote. This new show will combine new live elements with encores of Tuesday’s performances from the remaining 11 contestants. Phone lines will open at the conclusion of the show and will remain open for two hours to give viewers the chance to vote for their favorite contestants and keep them in the competition. Only the voting results from Wednesday night’s show will determine who received the lowest number of votes and will be sent home this week. Tune in on Thursday night to see who America has chosen to stay and who is sent home on the live results show Thursday, March 24 (9:00-9:30 PM ET live/PT tape-delayed) on FOX. Posted by: NEOBuckeye on March 23, 2005 07:23 AMUh, Neo, if you lose the vote on American Idol, does that mean you have to leave the island? Posted by: mike on March 23, 2005 07:26 AMPretty much, Mike. Now I'm reading that not only are they going to have the contestants give another live performance, but that they will also be singing entirely different songs. Which means that someone who would have been booted last night (Tuesday) for a poor performance might have the chance to save themselves tonight (Wednesday). Likewise, someone who did well last night, could get the boot tonight for a less than wonderful performance. This is already generating huge controversey on the fan boards. And you know, given AI's popularity, this might even trump the GOP and Schiavo controversey. I'm sure the poor tech guy who botched the phone numbers has already lost his head over this one. As I said, Mercury Rx! Posted by: NEOBuckeye on March 23, 2005 07:33 AMPaul Wolfowitz DATING a MUSLIM? The same Paul Wolfowitz who once chided American Jews for not intermarrying to maintain their Jewish culture and heritage? Maybe he had a change of heart, eh? Talk about hypocrisy. Guess it's just a bad case of Neocon's Disease. Posted by: NEOBuckeye on March 23, 2005 07:40 AM"Neocon's Disease" haha...what a comprehensive, full spectrum disorder. Wouldn't it be funny if his girl friend were a spy (or a guy)? Oh, that would be so rich. Posted by: mike on March 23, 2005 07:49 AMFound Michael Schiavo's birthdate - April 3 1963, Levittown, PA - no time. If it is a woman that Wolfowitz is dating, I feel sorry for her..because by the time the muslims get through with her there won;t be enough left Besides what kind of woman would even talk to him beyond saying :"how do you do" and walking away. I can see him with Ann Coulter though. :) Yeccche. As a woman, I must say he's one of the creepiest. Posted by: Pallas18 on March 23, 2005 08:16 AMGood job Jeanie, we don't know his time but it is possible he has a tight Moon/Mars conj (if born early in the AM) that aspect can be violent or pushed to great anger he can also be drawn to violent women. It's hard to know, there is an opposition from his Venus to Pluto and that is someone who can be easily manipulated or he does the manipulation. No matter what happened to her, Congress does not have a Constitutional right to step in and she cannot be saved now, with or without the feeding tube. The courts have reviewed this case for 7 years, brought in specialists and other doctors to examine her. There were several conservative judges who heard this case. They tracked down every lead, sent people to observe her for weeks at a time. If he hurt her then they need to find out how and when and if he is responsible for her death he should be tried for that, however not one shread of evidence in 7 years has presented itself and it has nothing to do with her present condition. This case isn't about who was responsible, it's about her inability to live or be helped and the Congress stepped way over the line on this one. Posted by: Sally on March 23, 2005 08:26 AMThanks for your input on his aspects Sally. I absolutely agree with your comments about the case. Posted by: Jeanie on March 23, 2005 08:37 AMthat Pluto Venus opposition of the husband is also one who is extrememly possessive and also refuses to let go. Meanwhile the Atlanata Federal Appeals has refused to hear the case or re-insert the tube... I would imagine they will now go to the Supremes, ---Meanwhile I have doubts - Apparently since no one has taken an MRI you dont know that-in fifteen years mri's have come a long way. And there is something else....tissue regenerates itself. Even people who have strokes grow new pathways to other areas of their brains...but it has to be retrained The crime here I think is that instead of Randall Terry and the fundamentalist xian jihadists spending money on lawyers to further their wacked out theocratic agenda over the past 15 years...they could have been spending the money on therapy for her. Having dealt with a situation where a person had a massive stroke and the doctors said the person wasn't there...but the nurse told me Don't take that to mean I side with the fundies or parents, who said, even if she had written a living will, they would go against it... I just have my doubt about the reports that Terry isn't there at all. Hello all, I haven't posted in eons but feel compelled to do so today. First of all, right wingers, when unable to win their arguments on the facts, turn to demonizing their target. In this case, it's Mr. Schiavo. Jean, Mrs. Schiavo had a severe eating disorder, anorexia. Her potassium level dropped to the point where her heart stopped for several hours. For eight years Ms. Schiavo was given theraphy, but to no avail. Pallas, Ms. Schiavo's cerebral cortex is liquidfied. There is no there there. No amount of MRI or other treatment can solidified the cortex. She's a shell, and it is inhuman that we don't allow this woman the dignity of death. In studies after studies, it seems those who are closest to the critical dying person, involved in their daily care, and those who have worked out their issues with the dying person, always opt for "letting the person go in dignity." It is always the distant family members, those less involved in the daily care of the person and who have issues still to work out with the dying person who always seek for the dying person to be kept alive in a tortured state. (See NYT's June or July of 2004 for a series of articles discussing this issue.) Posted by: Janet on March 23, 2005 01:22 PMJanet, exactly. My concern is the hidden agenda of this spectacle. You can be sure it is not in the interest of poor suffering people. This administration has supported the insurance and drug industry, not the people. They have gone to the length of forbidding elderly people from crossing the border and prucnasing their medication in Canada, and Canada has been overwhelmed by the numbers of people trying to survive the theft of their money for their medication. I have had no interest in the celebrity junk news, but this one is significant to the people. It should bury the neocons. I hope it does. Posted by: Pat C on March 23, 2005 01:36 PMI should add a PS here. This administration has openly NOT supported medicine, doctors, patients, life. They have only supported control and supression of all of the above. Posted by: Pat C on March 23, 2005 01:45 PMPPS They have abused the courts over and over again. This is something they have gone waaaaay out of their way to stop you and me from having the right to do. In fact they want us stopped from having even a fraction of the rights they claim for themselves. Fascists. Posted by: Pat C on March 23, 2005 01:55 PM
http://www.arlingtoninstitute.org/TAICON2005/ Posted by: wv on March 23, 2005 02:00 PMThen there are the guns. http://www.thenation.com/blogs/outrage?pid=2278 Posted by: Pat C on March 23, 2005 02:02 PMThat looks great wv. Posted by: Pat C on March 23, 2005 02:08 PMSo many enlightened posts this morning! Taking the Schiavo case in its entirety, there's something symbolic,lurking beneath the surface that keeps us focused. It's as if we're attempting to define that "something" but it has no name. Having to do with "judgment" and "decisions" it begs an eye-opening zinger -- a Pluto in Sagitarrius on-target arrow. This very public-should-be-private event IS being played and used to cover the crap in the litter (the world is the U.S's sandbox). It is also highly personal. We identify with all of those entities intimately involved with Terri and Terri herself. Like the multitude i'm attempting to clarify what this is really about, to discover the truth of it. Maybe that truth will dawn on me. Maybe that truth will dawn on us all -- a simultaneous zap. Finally, bhakti. . .in the dream i equally distance myself. After acknowledging that i cannot help the fish, i then observe. Your interpretation was not only clarifying but hilarious. Thank you. ;-) though personally i'll not feel one whit of sadness when this cabal is exposed. The fish dying meant to me that something held sacred will perish. There is a sadness but not so overwhelming that i cannot observe it with dispassion. karen Posted by: farrout on March 23, 2005 02:14 PMI have some wonderful personal news... and wanted to share. My daughter took a huge leap of faith --- in herself --- in January when she left a job because the recently hired maintenance man had a disagreement with her, subsequently tried to run her down with his pick-'em up truck... The Manager, her boss... did not take steps to address her grievance... She has been building a side business at home in accounting for over a year and she believed that she could grow that business and work some temporary jobs and make it. Like most, their family is only a paycheck away from poverty. For the past month she has been working three jobs, up to twelve hrs. a day, which is why I have been in Concord, to take the children to school and pick up in the afternoon. One of her own clients is an interior decorator, married to a man who owns about a dozen fast food franchises in the area. The interior decorator was so pleased with my daughter's bookkeeping abilities, she talked her hubby into considering my daughter for his accounting needs... To make a long story short, the hubby hired my dte on sight, but failed to make it clear. She thought she was giving him a couple of months of temporary work. Last week, before the tMercRx she asked for clarity about her job description, and he took her into an upper management meeting where her resume was on the overhead projector and everyone welcomed her... she still did not realize that the offer was more than temporary. This fella has a really busy schedule and is hard to get on the phone... yesterday daughter called and asked him for a one-on-one meeting, to explain that I would be returning to Aiken after Spring Break, and my month would be up and consequently her temp time would have to be evaluated and shortened. Well, he offered her a salary equivalent to what she and her husband both made last year... with some mighty fine perks thrown in... and the greatest boon of all? She will be able to work from her home, and they do not care if she keeps her side business going from home... I am thrilled and happy beyond words... the logistics with the children's schools have been a struggle... not to mention the family's lack of funds for extras, which grandparents have been meeting. You know that little boat I talk about all the time... the one that seems so small compared to the ocean, the one that is so full I feel it overflowing? Well, my daughter has her own 'boat' now for sure, and mine just got room for me to move around in! And while the size of the ocean has not changed (it's still oh so big!)... what I have felt in my bones for months now is coming to pass... My husband and son-in-law thought she was crazy for quitting her job... thought she should have 'fought this crazy dude' at previous job... in the courts, etc. She felt she should walk away and I supported her doing that... told her she would be fine, that I saw doors opening for her... for a month now the two of us have dealt with lectures from the men folk... but her intuition paid off... and so did my reading of my own chart along with hers... She jumped into the abyss and came up flying... sort of like Carlos C.... I feel such joy for her. It's not about the money... which is great... it's about the confidence she now has in her own abilities... Dave, you hang in there... your doors will open too... Namaste Posted by: Jo on March 23, 2005 02:28 PM(((((((Jo))))))))) :-D You do hang in there Dave! Jo said so! Posted by: Pat C on March 23, 2005 02:46 PMMonday's Wall Street Journal reported that GM plans to cut up to 28% of its personnel, citing rising healthcare costs. BUT.... Startling Scientists, Plant Fixes Its Flawed Gene In a startling discovery, geneticists at Purdue University say they have found plants that possess a corrected version of a defective gene inherited from both their parents, as if some handy backup copy with the right version had been made in the grandparents' generation or earlier.
The discovery also raises interesting biological questions - including whether it gets in the way of evolution, which depends on mutations changing an organism rather than being put right by a backup system. "It looks like a marvelous discovery," said Dr. Elliott Meyerowitz, a plant geneticist at the California Institute of Technology. Dr. David Haig, an evolutionary biologist at Harvard, described the finding as "a really strange and unexpected result," which would be important if the observation holds up and applies widely in nature. More.... Posted by: Pat C on March 23, 2005 03:40 PMJO, that is fabulous news! I love hearing stories like yours and your daughters filled with strength, belief in oneself and love. As happened once before on this board: I really needed to hear that. Thanks for sharing! Posted by: soulchild on March 23, 2005 04:02 PMJo, that's wonderful re your daughter. It gives me hope that something good will happen with my brother-in-law soon. Posted by: Teresa on March 23, 2005 04:07 PMI've been a lurker here for some time and feel compelled to also write something today in response to Patricia's posted article on Suzanne and her son Matthew who has passed on but now is said to give messages to his mother from the next world. I find it very hard to believe that anyone would believe this stuff and it seems to be that the only one benefiting from "Matthew" is his own mother who has made quite a lot of money from all her books. Nothing Matthew has written has come true - "he" has made so many statements and when one after another does not come to pass there are then excuses made and even more bizzare things proclaimed more messages, more books, more money for "Mom". There are many other's who also have websites claiming they know "Matthew" on the other side and he is not credible ... so we should listen to them - heck, one (Patrick Bellringer) even Channels "Jesus" who has announced he's coming back this year along with his fleet of starships now circling the earth ..!I think we need to stop giving our power away to these people - if anyone was channeling anybody it would be you yourself who would get messages from your own loved ones who wanted to tell you what was coming to pass. Sorry to say but these type of people have been preying on innocent people for ages .. time to stop the insanity and let "Matthew" rest in peace. Posted by: Camille on March 23, 2005 04:21 PMPatC, another Amen! Here in New York and I'm sure elsewhere in the country these neocons are trying to apply deep cutsh to medicaid. Something as basic as a wheelchair, or life saving meds, poor people have to fight tooth and nail for. An example, a 78 year old woman in my apt building has emphysema and needs an inhaler. Well, god forbid, she went through her alloted 1 for the month, and medicare wouldn't pay for the second. My husband and I said eff-it, and paid for the meds for her. This is the kind of crap that the middle class and poor are dealing with daily. Posted by: Janet on March 23, 2005 04:28 PMJeanet, yes. (sigh) I have seen this myself. As my grandmother use to say, "Run those rascles out of town, preferably on a rail. I SO hope that everyone is on their representatives about those voting machines. They are key. Posted by: Pat C on March 23, 2005 04:39 PMJanet "Pallas, Ms. Schiavo's cerebral cortex is liquidfied. There is no there there. No amount of MRI or other treatment can solidified the cortex. She's a shell, and it is inhuman that we don't allow this woman the dignity of death." Not only do I find your tone offensive but I dont need a lecture from you - I have shared my experience with doctors who said there was no cognition - and they were wrong, but being pompous asses did not want to accept they could be. As a matter of fact they fired the nurse who reported the cognition. That person was not on life support, but was also on feeding tube since due to the stroke was unable to swallow. The person chose to pass when they were ready, even with the feeding tube. Ms Schiavo is not on oxygen or life support other than feeding tube. She will pass when she is ready, and it is not up to the State to decide when that is in my opinion. As all who follow my postings know, I am the furtherest from a fundamentalist anyone could find. The cerebral cortex is NOT the entire brain, Janet. You might look that up. http://braininfo.rprc.washington.edu/Scripts/hiercentraldirectory.aspx?ID=20&toback=0 In addition, my belief is that brain is INSIDE the body. Mind is OUTSIDE the body. This woman is not even in a delta or theta coma. Perhaps she would have died 15 years ago if they had not hooked her up to a feeding tube - and perhaps not. However, my point is, unless you have dealt with the similar situation that I have,please dont deign to correct me. Posted by: Pallas18 on March 23, 2005 04:50 PMPallas: I won't apologize for my tone in my original post because I do not believe my tone was offensive, and neither did I intent for it to be. Also, I, too, don't need to be lectured to. And further, my position still stands: Ms Schiavo cortex is liquified, although her brain stem is intact. The end result is the same, she's an alive corspe. Were it not for the feeding tube (a medical intervention) she'd have died a dignified death. You may have spoken to doctors about other cases, but I'm concerned about "this" particular case, and my information is about "this" particular case. Every situation is different. Posted by: Janet on March 23, 2005 05:09 PMPallas, I don't bring my comments to upset you... one of the points I believe we are all agreed on is that dying is a personal matter and the dying and the family should make decisions about the individual case, not the government. Certainly doctors don't know everything. I hear your pain with regard to your own particular situation... I'm sure it must have been very difficult for you to be heard above the doctors. And I'm sure that we, family and loved ones, often have a greater sense about the reality of a situation than the nurses or doctors. Janet, I am sure, did not intend to be offensive. She was speaking about the Shiavo case. Pallas, there are MRI's online that relate to Terri, which I find invasive... just imagine your personal records available for everyone to look at and comment on. David Corn at the Nation has looked at a 40 page report prepared by the Guardian Jeb * appointed to look into the matter re Terri Shiavo. The report is in PDF mode online and David Corn makes the following summary comments after reading the report. Again, no one is taking issue with your own personal feelings about a matter of this great a magnitude. We are mostly commenting on the arrogance of the government in meddling in this affair. I am so sorry for the pain you have experienced in having a loved one pass amid controversary... I'm sure it is still painful for you. Namaste. Here are a few of David's points and a link to the 40 page report for those interested in reading it. * [The Guardian concludes] that all of the appropriate and proper elements of the law have been followed and met. The law has done its job well. The courts [which supported the decision to suspend feeding] have carefully and diligently adhered to the prescribed civil processes and evidentiary guidelines, and have painfully and diligently applied the required tests in a reasonable, conscientious and professional manner. * Highly competent, scientifically based physicians using recognized measures and standards have deduced, within a high degree of medical certainty, that Theresa is in a persistent vegetative state. This evidence is compelling. * Theresa's neurological tests and CT scans indicate objective measures of the persistent vegetative state. * Individuals have come forward indicating that there are therapies and treatments and interventions that can literally re-grow Theresa's functional, cerebral cortex brain tissue [which has shrunken], restoring part of all of her functions. There is no scientifically valid, medically recognized evidence that this has been done or is possible, even in rats, according to the president of the American Society for Neuro-Transplantation. * [The Guardian] concludes from the medical records and consultations with medical experts that the scope and weight of the medical information within the file concerning Theresa Schiavo consists of competent well-document information that she is in a persistent vegetative state with no likelihood of improvement. Wolfson describes the history of the case, noting that her husband Michael did try for years to find therapies and treatments for Schiavo before concluding there were no possibilities. He also notes that the evidence presented by two neurologists chosen by Michael Schiavo and a neurologist picked by the Florida court in charge of the case was "clear and convincing in support of Theresa being in a persistent vegetative state with no hope of improvement." The evidence presented by physicians chosen by Schiavo's parents, according to Wolfson, "was substantially anecdotal, and was reasonably deemed to be not clear and convincing." In this report--which is written in a passionate and eloquent fashion--Wolfson also notes he spent much time with Schiavo and "was not able to independently determine that there were consistent, repetitive, intentional, reproducible interactive and aware activities." http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4544756 The issue here which is not being discussed by the media and which is the TRUE issue, is that the legislative and executive branch of the government is castrating the judicial branch of government, removing yet another part of the Constitution, that of checks and balances. Since most of America - 67% is against the interference of Congress in this matter, bushco They couldn't get their way with the Federal Courts. The Supreme Court has refused to interfere So now the Schindlers are going back to Jeb Bush who has the Florida Legislature creating a special law to keep Ms Schiavo alive. That will again go to the Feds, who will rule it is unconstitutional, and then to the Supremes...and who knows whether they will agree to look at it in the light of constitutionality or not. Nevertheless it is the State now legislating life and death - in non-criminal cases - who shall live and who shall die - which these particular New World Order types have attempted to do with Eugenics since the 1920's. The entire matter is a dangerous precedent - for the judicial branch and for every person living in America who might get sick. Posted by: Pallas18 on March 23, 2005 05:18 PMPallas, You are ABSOLUTELY correct... and a majority of Americans agree with you. These fascists make convenient decisions... it is okay to pull the plug on a tiny new born because he is Black and his arms and legs are too short and his lungs, at the moment, too small... it is okay to pull the plug on Seniors who depend on their check from Social Security to live... it is okay to pull the plug on Seniors again and force them to pay too high a price for their medicines because the drug companies own the Congress... it is okay to pull the plug on young men and women who are signed up with the reserves, and tear them away from their families and jobs and send them to an unnecessary and illegal war... it is okay to pull the plug on Iraqi children and pollute their environment with radioactive agents, which are killing them daily; it is okay to use those same radioactive agents to pollute the bodies of young men and women who are producing deformed babies... it is okay to pull the plug on our men and women who are returning in the dead of night without some of their body parts and sometimes minus their mind, to insufficient medical care, etc. etc., and the litany goes on... We are living in the hell these fascists are creating... day by day, the only way we can. This too shall pass. Namaste Posted by: Jo on March 23, 2005 05:30 PMThanks Jo. Very perceptive and kind of you. I note that you mention from the report, Ms Schiavo's cerebral cortex is not "liquified" but Think of the thousands of people across this country who are in hospitals, unable to talk, unable to eat, unable to walk, lying in Vet hospitals, of people who have been in deep comas All of these people are now in danger - if they have left living wills, saying they don't want to live that way, the precedent has been set those wills can be over-ridden by the State (meaning government, not just a state). If they have left living wills saying they don't want to be unplugged - the State now can over-ride that too, deciding their quality of life is not sufficient to spend money and medical resources on. I think my point is, it should have been hands off, but the horse is out of the barn now, and we can't put the cork back in the genie bottle. The fundamentalists have achieved the opposite of what they were after. Life in this country is cheap - and it just got cheaper. Posted by: Pallas18 on March 23, 2005 05:40 PMPallas, I really don't mean to sound offensive, and I hope I don't sound offensive, but you have this issue backward. You are wrong to conclude that "The State is now legislating life and death - in non-criminal cases..." I don't think you understand this case at all. The State is in essence complying with Ms. Schiavo's wish of not being kept alive through artificial means. (We all have that right, i.e., the Do Not Resuscitate clause many patients chose to sign.) This issue has been litigated for fifteen years. Many constitutional lawyers and citizens like myself are concerned that Congress has stepped in to override the will of the individual and the State, that is not the role of Congress. Posted by: Janet on March 23, 2005 05:47 PMWill the Schiavo case hurt Republicans? While Tom DeLay, Jeb Bush and other Republicans continue to pull every government lever at their disposal to keep Terri Schiavo alive, other members of their party are beginning to complain that the religious right's hi-jacking of the GOP has finally gone too far.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/292714p-250596c.html Heart surgeon Frist has pulled the plug regularly WASHINGTON - Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, who has championed the "rescue" of Terri Schiavo, is a renowned heart surgeon who has pulled the plug on a "regular basis," his office acknowledged yesterday. But Frist (R-Tenn.) ended life support only when the patient was ruled brain-dead, and he is convinced Schiavo is not brain-dead. "He certainly has a lot of clinical experience" in the withdrawal of life support, said Frist spokeswoman Amy Call. Frist, the driving force behind the Senate bill to move Schiavo's case to federal court and a likely 2008 presidential candidate, is under fire for declaring she is not brain-dead after reviewing a video of Schiavo. "On a regular basis, he's dealt with a diagnosis of brain death," Call said defending Frist, a heart and general surgeon. Medical ethicists like Dr. Kenneth Prager, chairman of the Medical Ethics Committee at Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center, say it's "inappropriate" for Frist to make an armchair diagnosis. "A diagnosis should be made bedside by a neurologist. He's not a neurologist, and he wasn't bedside," Prager said. In a 2002 interview with the Chicago Tribune, Frist recalled moral debate into "Why is somebody dead when there's no brain activity, but everything else is warm and beating?" from the early days of organ transplants. "Finally, we came to a consensus, an ethical framework, that people can generally agree to and have faith in." The other driving force behind the Terri Schiavo bill, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.), is accused of using the Schiavo case to divert attention from his own ethics problems. A Texas grand jury has indicted three of DeLay's cronies and is now looking into his campaign finances. A DeLay spokesman said, "Anybody would be hard-pressed to question Congressman Delay's commitment to life issues throughout his career." http://www.tompaine.com/articles/living_with_dignity.php Members of Congress obviously value Terri Schiavo's life. After all, they called a special vote to make sure that her right to food would be protected. But what about all the other Americans who don't have food or health care—where's the congressional intervention for them? Heather Boushey of the Center For Economic and Policy Research questions if the debate over "dying with dignity" has overshadowed the larger question of why so many Americans don't have the basics to live with dignity.
More.... Posted by: Pat C on March 23, 2005 06:01 PMPallas....according to the SF Chronicle this morning, there are only 5 reported cases of people waking up from a PVS vegetative state. And none with people who have been in that state that long. This does appear to be another state's rights issue...those elephants in DC are trampling their own traditional stances on states rights as well as the constitution. Ahhhnold Gropper has declared CA in a state of 'emergency' now re: MediCal....and people with living wills which give their property to family members to avoid paying for their loved ones care will no longer be able to do that, and families will need to pay for ALL the care they've received from the Medicare system. Emergency after 12 years of this issue being raised.... There are lots of issues because of the retiring and death of baby boomers which will be forefront...how do we pay for all of it? It certainly isn't just SS that needs overhauling. We just don't agree with the elephants about HOW to do it.... Posted by: judi gemini on March 23, 2005 06:22 PMhttp://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/03/23/MNGGABTH351.DTL Doctors explain her condition. In the opinion questionaire of "have you ever had to remove a loved one from life support", ALL the answers said yes....difficult, but they did it, and all said they knew their loved ones didn't want that kind of existence. This one, however, was interesting: In 1995, my father had a stroke, was in a coma and, according to his physician, was essentially brain dead. Per his written instructions, we decided to "pull the plug" on him. Three days later, he woke up. He hadn't had a stroke at all. He had been in a hepatic coma due to his declining liver's inability to metabolize protein efficiently. When we cut off his feeding tube, his liver "caught up." Unfortunately, he lived only three more weeks. But those weeks were very important -- it gave us all a chance to come to terms with death and to say some final things that needed to be said. The moral of the story is: Doctors can be wrong! Posted by: judi gemini on March 23, 2005 06:25 PMfrom Jon Carroll's excellent column on this fiasco: Politicians become involved in direct proportion to the amount of media publicity. They proclaim piously that they believe in the sanctity of life, which is code for "I'm still against abortion." They align themselves with a socially damaging faith-based theory that opposes even contraception, because every sperm is sacred. (In that belief system, the stain on Monica Lewinsky's dress is holy in the eyes of God.) ...Note date.... WE'RE TOO WISE TO DRILL IN THE ARCTIC REFUGE
January 2001--Those who want the oil industry to have its way in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge continue to market two myths: Here's the reality: There's no such thing as "environmentally benign oil drilling." Prudhoe Bay is a sprawling industrial complex that experiences 400 spills in an average year and spews more air pollution than Washington, D.C. Are we gullible enough to believe the oil industry could erect hundreds of miles of pipeline and roads, a dozen production facilities, four air strips, two ports with salt water treatment plants, and housing for hundreds of workers -- and not transform this stunning wilderness? Claims that a mere 2,000 acres would be affected are based on counting only the spots where a road, well or building touches the ground. Imagine spaghetti and meatballs thrown on your carpet. Drilling proponents' insistence that the wildlife refuge would be light at the end of our energy tunnel take the largest possible output estimated by the most optimistic geologist. Then they present it as probable. Sen. Breaux talked about this wildlife sanctuary slaking 25% of our oil thirst. But the amount of oil that government experts say is most likely to be found would satisfy about six months of U.S. demand. We need to face the fact that the U.S. has about 3% of the world's known reserves, compared with about 65% for the Middle East. One quality that sets our country apart is that we pioneered in efforts to protect our natural treasures. We have understood that our grand landscapes should be conserved for future generations. Would we chop own giant redwoods for firewood? Would we dam the Grand Canyon to generate electricity? No, we're wiser than that. Nor should we drill in "America's Serengeti" in hopes of extracting a little oil. William H. Meadows, President, The Wilderness Society Posted by: wv on March 23, 2005 06:41 PM
http://forum.truthout.org/blog/story/2005/3/22/173355/647 Posted by: wv on March 23, 2005 07:02 PMThanks Judi, Jo, and Pat. Frightening isn't it - Judi's story "according to his physician, was essentially brain dead." How about the people who are declared dead and wake up in the morgue? - It happens too often. re: the gropenator "and people with living wills which give their property to family members to avoid paying for their loved ones care will no longer be able to do that, and families will need to pay for ALL the care they've received from the Medicare system." Isn't that a convenient announcement after Congress has passed a no bankruptcy bill? Medical care is one of the biggest causes of people declaring bankruptcy in this country. Frist appears to have pushed through every bill to do with the hmo's, hospitals, and pharmas he's involved with or owns, to his and their benefit and screw JoeSixpack as * calls the average American. * and the gop have really found a way to cut social security expenses imho. As the baby boomers age and need increased medical care, by making that medical care unaffordable, and no program to cover the expense, they'll die off quicker - then no social security will have to be paid, but their homes and valuables can be confiscated to pay back the government for whatever they did receive. ***** and Jo often disagrees with my stance on "certain" matters :) However, never, never once have either of us or anyone else on this blog said to another, "You are wrong"or "You don't understand the matter" since the nature of this blog is supportive discussion and sharing astrology and information rather than confrontational and argumentive. With an Aries warrior eclipse in effect, together with a Full Moon waxing, I have come to the conclusion that today it is best to follow Shakespeare's advice "discretion is the better part of valor". Posted by: Pallas18 on March 23, 2005 07:08 PM"There are two people in the United States who can save Terri Schiavo's life right now. The president of the United States and the governor of Florida have the authority to use the police services at their disposal to take Terri into protective custody, restore her food and hydration, and arrest anyone who would interfere," said Dr. Paul Schenck, executive director of the National Pro-Life Action Center on Capitol Hill. "For the sake of Terri's life, we cannot afford to wait while the courts dither over jurisdiction." http://www.earnedmedia.org/cfts0323.htm when * says no, I wonder if he'll imitate Mrs. Schindler's pleas the way he did with Carla Faye the Full 11th Circuit Fed Appeals has refused to hear the case. So now Jeb is making law in the Florida legislature. We all think that buscho is screwed over this - right? What do you want to bet the bushboys will wiggle out of this by blaming their failure to save her on those elite liberal judges making their own law ? any takers? Posted by: Pallas18 on March 23, 2005 08:20 PMThanks for the spontaneous encoruagement. I hope it all works out. In the meantime, I'm ready for a change of pace in my life. I don't know exactly what, but I feel the need for a fresh start. Likewise for the people who are running this country. It's time to clear these people out. My sense is that the Republicans are pissing off a lot of people. The raw opportunism of this Schiavo legislation is coming through loud and clear (in spite of all the Neptunian nonsense we have to deal with in this period of our history). Moreover, no one seems to be discussing that fact that this piece of legislation is unambiguously unconsitutional on multiple counts: 1) It violates the separation of powers. 2) The law passed is an ex post facto law (meaning after the fact) and these types of laws are explicitly prohibited in the Constiution. 3) The law is a Bill of Attainder (a bill that singles out a specific individual or specific list of individuals) and these laws are also explicitly forbidden. Any federal court should throw this law in the trash where it belongs. In all the years I have studied politics and legal matters, I have yet to hear of a bill that is so outrageously unconstitutional as this one. Posted by: Dave on March 23, 2005 08:28 PMWhy Dave, you are already a lawyer... listen to your take on this siutation!!! any law school would be glad to have you... it will happen... Namaste Posted by: Jo on March 23, 2005 08:41 PMAnyone have any insight on what the supremes will do? Posted by: Teresa on March 23, 2005 08:55 PMOOPS Jeb Bush's lawyer in press conference saying that Either these guys are really fundamentalists or This last one, that he would actually take her into custody, is shocking. Wow. Mercury Retrograde is nuts. And a quick look at Jeb's chart shows Caput Alogol is his 9th house cusp - he doesn't have very good luck through the higher courts...or the Legislature - BUT- transits just after Jeb's tv announcement this afternoon, shows transiting MC ____ Dave, spoken like a pro. Did you try Pace Lawschool or Albany yet? Dave, you might want to consider UMKC. Posted by: Teresa on March 23, 2005 09:40 PMPallas ....you bet....we are Soylent Green and I'll bet the leadership and all the think tanks have had input on this matter of what to do with all the old people. Reminds me of the Star Trek episode which was a rehash of the Logan's Run theme....everybody at age 60 (30 for Logan's run, but that was when we all used to say everyone over 30 was old) must be put to death.... There would be more than adequate care for everyone if the system was proposed that way....more and more, the elephants and insurance companies who did in Hillary';s work on universal health care are looking more and more like the the evildoers. Posted by: judi gemini on March 23, 2005 09:54 PMVis, without knowing all this was coming, named it right. The THEOCONS. Uranus square Uranus - rebellion, government against governemtn - is this civil war? Jeb has no luck with the Florida Senate, as I said his 9th house cusp is 24 Taurus, Caput Alogol , where you lose your head.. Jeb's legislature just voted against reconnecting tube Apparently it's only the * brothers who are willing to go against the third branch of federal government. And this is going to be tricky. If Jeb orders/takes custody of her physically under his state law for abused adults, there is a Federal Could Jeb be arrested by Federal marshalls for disobeying a federal court order? Meanwhile, dumbot is pressuring the Supremes behind the scenes,,,he doesn't want to be up front of it anymore. Wow - you couldn't make this stuff up. The brothers are in deep doo doo and Delay and the theocon house of reps and congress led them into it. Mercury Retrograde.
http://207.44.245.159/article8347.htm Posted by: wv on March 23, 2005 10:30 PMMoveOn Pac is doing a petition against 'grandstanding' by Congress..... sort of a grandstanding in and of itself....but this is the url: Mercury IS RETROGRADE....I ordered stuff from Pottery Barn on Mar 14....and UPS has lost the box. Disappeared after the first attempt to deliver, which I didn't expect because the tracking showed it was stuck in Missouri. It just disappeared after March 18.... Luckily Pottery Barn, after a 2nd attempt to explain to them what happened, is rushing a replacement to my for Friday delivery. I won't hold my breath. Posted by: judi gemini on March 23, 2005 10:37 PMWV, "Vidal: Well, the Congress has ceded--which it cannot do--but it has ceded its power to declare war. That is written in the Constitution. It's the most important thing in the Constitution, ultimately. And having ceded that to the Executive Branch, he can declare war whenever he finds terrorism. Now, terrorism is a wonderful invention because it doesn't mean anything. It's an abstract noun. You can't have a war against an abstract noun; it's like having a war against dandruff. It's meaningless. But you can terrify people. The art of government now, the art of control as practiced by the current junta, is: Keep the people frightened. It's exactly what Adolf Hitler and his gang did. Keep them frightened: The Russians are coming. The Poles are killing Germans who live within the borders of Poland. The Czechs are doing the same thing in the Sudetenland. These are evil people. We must go after them. We must save our kin. Keep everybody frightened, tell them lies--and the bigger the lie, the more they'll believe it. There's nothing the average American now believes (because he's been told it 10,000 times a day) that is true. Now how do you undo so much disinformation? Well, you have to have truth squads at work 24 hours a day every day. And we don't have them." Posted by: Jo on March 23, 2005 10:50 PM On Karen's dream: The fish could represent a lot of possibilities, one being a primitive form of the human creature. We go through the fish stage in the womb. Elephants are very protective. When the tsunami came, they fled but came back and carried some people to safety, children first. Picked them up with their trunks. Posted by: jm on March 23, 2005 11:37 PMMarjorie Cohn | Whose Right to Life? Cindy Sheehan | The Amazing Hypocrites Every situation is a many faceted jewel as I see it. I find it interesting that with Saturn going direct in Cancer, we have a case of a person with a severe eating disorder kept alive with a feeding tube. Nourishment in this eating disordered society is a big issue. The clinging of the parents is also interesting. Or is it the clinging of the daughter? I think we can all learn something about insecurity and letting go. Hopefully, as Saturn exits Cancer, this society can let go of the negative Cancer figure portrayed by George Bush. Our security does not depend on him. Nor can he dstroy it if it has a solid foundation. It is up to each individual. Posted by: jm on March 23, 2005 11:50 PMWell, now, Judge Greer will now hear new evidence that she may not be a persistant vegitative state. Posted by: Pat C on March 24, 2005 12:03 AMSpeaking of children and security... there are some very revealing photos on this thread. Take a peek. You'll love it!
Pat Buchanan is insisting that dimbot should take Federal marshals and take control of the physical body of Ms Schiavo on moral grounds and human rights, never mind the 10th Amendment, states rights, of the Constitution. It'a a moral issue, saving a life "he says...and he's dead serious. Gee I hope dimbot does it, cause then we can impeach him. Posted by: Pallas18 on March 24, 2005 12:39 AMLooks like emotions are flaming with this Aries/Cancer square, eclipse at 19 Aries. Moon/Mars to the hilt. Posted by: jm on March 24, 2005 12:43 AMCamille: I was merely concurring with Susanne Ward's observations about the US and world situation. Matthew had nothing to do with. She was not quoting him or (gasp!!)channeling him. It was HER observations and views I was agreeing with. Don't get your underwear in dissaray!! ALL forms of divination, whatever they may be, are subject to errors and misinterpretation. Good evening Patricia Posted by: Patricia on March 24, 2005 12:53 AMWell, it looks like the Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Are they hoping for an Easter resurrection to absolve themselves of the sins of the hundred thousand murders in Iraq? Posted by: jm on March 24, 2005 01:17 AMthe longer this goes on , the more the American people are turning against the government interference: tonight the polls say 82% of the American people are against the government/congress intervention in this... So it has gone from 67% to 82% in less than 48 hours....including conservatives and white religious christians.... It may already be too late for the shrubs to save face,....this will be remembered just as well as This is Florida - it's hard to find anyone who doesn't have white hair down here.....heh - and they're thinking about what;s going to happen when they have to go the hospital.... I wonder how many calls are going into Jeb's office.
"Well, it looks like the Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Are they hoping for an Easter resurrection"
but that poor woman is either going to be made a martyr or a saint - in a way, I wish she'd wake up and scare the bejeezus out of them..she's in danger of being made Jesus returned, occurs to me. Posted by: Pallas18 on March 24, 2005 01:33 AMFor a change of fare: E-Mail This Article Group Wants Limits on Access Allowed Law Enforcement It was a Washington rarity to see the American Civil Liberties Union line up with conservative lions like David Keefe of the American Conservative Union and former Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga. But they were among those at a Washington press conference held to assail such Patriot Act provisions as those allowing law enforcement agents to look at library users' records or to conduct unannounced "sneak-and-peek'' searches on homes or private offices. "It is not, and never should be necessary, to surrender our rights under the Bill of Rights to fight the war on terrorism,'' said Barr, who as a House member voted for the Patriot Act, which passed overwhelmingly in the House and provoked only one dissenting Senate vote. Barr, leader of the new group dubbed Patriots to Restore Checks and Balances, concedes that the group faces a difficult fight in making changes to the 4-year-old law. The law's supporters, many of whom point out that the United States hasn't been hit by another terrorist attack since Sept. 11, say it has proven effective and that many of the complaints offered by civil libertarians have nothing to do with the act's provisions. Key provisions of the bill are scheduled to expire Dec. 31, so Congress must deal with the issue this year. The Senate and House Judiciary Committees plan Patriot Act hearings starting later in the spring. http://www.opednews.com/boyne_032205_living_will.htm My Living Will (An Alternative) Posted by: Pat on March 24, 2005 01:57 AMSooooo the hearings are starting later in the spring. Hmmmmmmm. Should be realllly interesting. Heh heh. Posted by: Pat C on March 24, 2005 02:12 AMHere's the CBS poll. Look at *'s approval rate, and the approval for the war ---- both are downnnn The war is down to 39% (remember that's a 3% margin for error --- it could be 36%, which I believe it probably is) and his overall DISAPPROVAL Rate is up to 66% --- I'll never believe that more than 50% voted for him... NEVER in a million lifetimes... how could his ratings have dropped so quickly (I'm talking about the February ratings) We need to storm the Bastille... nobody wants these guys... Posted by: Jo on March 24, 2005 02:25 AMhas it occurred to anyone we have stay out of my bush now we have stay out of my hearse. Posted by: Pallas18 on March 24, 2005 02:30 AMDr. Sunjau Gupta on CNN - he is cute - says its obvious she is not brain dead - but no one knows how much brain damage there is - no brain scan has ever been done"... hey - even I have had a brain scan -\ and a woman they suspect of being brain dead hasn't? Nah ---something besides the circus, smells very stinky here. this poor woman must have had the heart attack or stroke on a mercury retrograde and all the mistakes are showing up again on mercury retrograde. It's like when you lose something on merc retro I had a client whose chart I did on merc retro.... Pallas, That's what fascists do. They interfere in every aspect of our life. Ironic isn't it? * illegally invades a country, bombs at least 100,000 civilians first two days, according to figures I've read... and it continues for two years, and NOT A PEEP FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE... nada about our troops, some 1,542+ dead and thousands wounded, nada... no memorials attended, nada... Then he and his brown shirts pass a piece of legislation to enable his brother to decide the fate of one lone individual, and the public says NO! A RESOUNDING NO! This case has been on Rense's website for over a year. We should have brought it to the fore before the election, and maybe * wouldn't be in the White House. Mike is right... a country of IDIOTS... absolute IDIOTS... that group Green Days sings about 'American Idiots' --- remember I posted it few days ago... Who would have thunk! Patrick Buchanan can talk about civil liberties and the Constitution and what * is doing to our country all he wants... first opportunity, he shows he's as much a Fundie as the rest... the heck with the law he says?! SHAME, Patrick, SHAME. Shame on all these MEN... 'Course if their wives had an chutzpah, they would do what the Greek women did in the play Lysistrata - they withheld sex from their war-mongering husbands... on the other hand, these war-mongering fascists seem to look elsewhere for sex anyway, so it wouldn't have any effect on them! This too shall pass. Namaste Posted by: Jo on March 24, 2005 02:47 AMPallas, I'm a skeptic, Pallas. I don't believe anything 'til I research it... and then not 'til I have several sources... and sometimes I still am skeptical... Posted by: Jo on March 24, 2005 02:51 AM14 Die In Massive Explosion At Texas City Refinery POSTED: 1:39 pm CST March 23, 2005 TEXAS CITY, Texas -- A massive explosion and fire erupted at a Texas City refinery Wednesday afternoon, resulting in at least 14 deaths and more than 100 injuries. It also destroyed buildings and vehicles, and sent a plume of thick, black smoke hundreds of feet into the air. http://www.click2houston.com/news/4311459/detail.html General Motors bankrupt in six months?! http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_05/hommel031805.html General Motors shock not likely final for market "The events at GM could be the first sign of cracks in the plaster for the stock market," Francois Trahan said in a research note. The largest U.S. carmaker one week ago warned that significant weakness in its North American automotive business would lead to a big loss for the first quarter, and full-year earnings would amount to just one-fifth of the company's previous expectations. The news last Wednesday sent GM shares to their lowest level in more than a dozen years and triggered a 1 percent drop in the Dow Jones industrial average, of which GM is a component. The other major U.S. stock indexes fell as well and the broader market has dropped four of the past five sessions. http://www.reuters.co.in/locales/c_newsArticle.jsp?type=businessNews&localeKey=en_IN&storyID=7987103 One last one, and I'm off to bed. Think U.S. is # 1? Here's what we really are: The United States is 49th in the world in literacy (the New York Times, Dec. 12, 2004). The USA is "No. 1" in nothing but weaponry, consumer spending, debt, and delusion. Reprinted from the Austin Chronicle. www.citypages.com/databank/26/1264/article12985.asp Posted by: Jo on March 24, 2005 03:18 AMJo (((Jo))) of the passion. But Sanjay Gupta said it!! Sanjay Gupta would not lie to me. He's good. Did ya get my treatise on how things show up on I think someone made a lotta lotta mistakes - and Now a doctor saying he was wrong, she's not brain dead as he thought before, she's brain damaged.. No, she's not going to get up and do a jig anymore than Christopher Reeves did - now they're admitting she's not braind dead, she's " not brain aware." But the doctors can't say if she's in pain or not because nobody knows what happens in those states. Yet patients who are supposed to be in Theta or Delta, such as under anesthesia during an operation, when they come out of the anesthesia, tell the doctors eveything that occurred. There are people who have been in stroke or coma, who have said they were inside screaming in their heads at the people, who couldn't hear them or understand them. Entombed within your own body. By the way, did I tell you that I think most doctors are full of crap? there are some heavy philosophical questions here about when life ends. They don;t even know when a brain is dead, is what is coming out. I think it's when you're no longer breathing. She's breathing. Do they have the right to starve her? I'm beginning to think not. Shall we put Stephen Hawkins to death? He can't move, he can't talk, he can't feed himself - and I'm not sure, is he, like Christopher Reeves, on a breathing machine? Am I giving you anything to think about. Something else. She responds to the parents and grunts and smiles. But when her husband came, there was no smile, no looking at him, no grunts. Something IS going on with that. The talking head doctors, most of them, are saying she'll never recover...meaning unplug her. This is getting very complex. And now America is not just worried about Terry Schiavo. Terry Schiavo has become each American...worrying is that going to happen to me? Apparently Uranus square Uranus also means histeria, cause that's what this country is workign up to. Just sharing my thoughts with you.
Ahh. We are getting close to the reason Miss Terri is so important. Her father Mr. Shindler was on Arron Brown tonight and he nervously said "now everyone can see who is really running this country and it's the courts. We have to get rid of the courts they have taken over the people." In light of the * Texas Law where courts were eliminated in favor of hospitals making the decisions of life or death without family, friends or court recourse and that option was exercised recently in the case of a 6 month old baby in spite of the fact the parents were against it. I have always doubted that the "phone calls" were going from judge to judge, more like WH to judge. It's been noted that most of the judges are conservative judges. It's the far right supporting the Shindler's in this fight and of course the * brothers. Their plan is to squash the legal system period no "due" process for the citizens and decisions of life and death based on money. The next stop is shoving this to the Supreme Court with either making her a ward of the state or a fake agreement with the other courts and the battle to dismantle the courts will have begun and they are working hard for us to keep our eye on Terri while they are working on the "shill game." Posted by: Sally on March 24, 2005 03:43 AMwv, thank you for the informaiton on the cool speakers. i have just one thing to say: 'can't we all just learn to get along' (rodney king, la riots) just kidding. i like to see a little debate around her now and then (as long as it's not those arrogant astrologers who gloated here post-election...they were evil). well, well, well...morality and science aside (i say this in an ironic tone), bush and the crew are just screwed on the terry s situation. public opinion polls are overwhelming. this may have been referenced before but here goes: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/23/opinion/polls/main682674.shtml and this on the evangelical reaction (they oppose *) http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4887797,00.html "oh boy karl, we're in a world of do do" said * i have an interesting take on the motivation behind these results. first, it has to do with the obvious issue of keeping the government out of decisions that should be left to family members. second, it has to do with the obvious scientific merits of the decision to w/draw feeding and the 'faith-based' alternative which is known as voodoo biology. the real motivation here is much deeper, however, in my opinion. just imagine what it would be like to be terry s or anyone in a similar position IF you did have any cognitive function left. i cannot imagine the ABSOLUTE HORROR of having to endure that every, single day, year in and year out. we are approaching EDGAR ALLAN POE territory. remember these Poe gems: The Premature Burial The Cask of the Amontillado oh my, what a total horror. i believe that the aversion to a slow painful death plus the cultural subconscious filled with these types of highly informative tales is what's really pushing this. * and company have touched the third rail of existence...the fear of a horrible death. adios george and company, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Posted by: mike on March 24, 2005 03:59 AMOf course Sally, We said that as soon as * and the gops and delay But I don;t agree with one thing. I think the courts are fighting the WH by declaring this is my turf and I'm not bending to you. The question is will the Supremes support the lower courts or do what the WH wants - and the Terri is in a no win situation. If the Supremes support their lower courts, as they have done in the past, Terri is gone. If the Supremes rule on this, they have interfered with every American's life and death. If they don't rule on it, Terri is gone. As far as the father, those talking points are the same that every republican talking head has been doing...attacking the judges. That;s not too smart either. Whatever, it's on Mercury retrograde, and so it will be changed later again - but too late for Ms Maybe we should look at her chart again - she has served some massive purpose to the world.
Mike, excellent comments and you're right about the profound fear people have of a prolonged and painful death and this is it. Great observations. I don't know Pallas if "serving a massive purpose for the world" is quite right. I would expect that the majority of the world never heard of her and have no idea this is going on. I would also expect that most of the world have a different opinion than we do because most of the world die in poverty and this kind of thing isn't even an issue for them, they have never had a recourse to life or death or had very little. It does seem as if unknowingly she is serving a purpose for the US or for the government, I would also suggest she is being badly misused by everyone including her parents and Right to Life. Posted by: Sally on March 24, 2005 04:19 AMSally, it's in every foreign paper - and especially because it has been on the front page of L'Osservatore, the Vatican paper. Yes. It hits a deep fear in people. Dimbot's approval rating 43%. There is no way he was really elected. Posted by: Pallas18 on March 24, 2005 04:27 AMSo W says that "the courts will now decide" during a press briefing with the Pres of Mexico + Canada, and then two hours later, little Jeb comes out and tells reporters he is looking into all his options as chief executive of Fla. to "save Terri"! They just do not give up! As much as I totally despise them, I do admire their perverse perseverance, which should teach the Dems a thing or two about the willingness to fight and persist in this admittedly barbaric political arena, in which the country's rapidly diminishing chances for survival now hang in the balance. As the Fla. senate as well as the evil Godless judges have now rebuked little Jeb, he is probably so angry and delusional that I believe he will in fact probably take Terri into some kind of "protective custody" (perhaps Guantanamo?) What will the courts do then? This is getting more explosive by the minute and I believe has real potential for the ultimate undoing of both Bush brothers Posted by: Grizzly on March 24, 2005 04:38 AMThe loony right pontificates http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43451 Jeb Bush can save Terri snip.... Terri Schiavo is being killed because she is inconvenient. If Terri is allowed to live, every disabled person among Florida's substantial retirement community will be protected against having their lives – and their Florida Medicare payments – terminated by highly compromised politicians. Additionally, Terri was injured under suspicious circumstances that have not been properly investigated. If her adulterous husband has his way, we'll very likely never find out the truth. If Terri dies, America dies with her. Nobody in this nation will ever be safe again because anyone who is inconvenient – who might cost the state too much money, who is a "burden" on others, who is genetically undesirable, who is (fill in the blank) – will be subject to the whims of judicial arrogance. When Roe v. Wade became law many years ago, pro-life activists warned about situations like Terri Schiavo's. They were ridiculed as extremists. What Terri Schiavo's death will lead to could eventually make Hitler's Nazi Germany look like Disneyland by comparison. God have mercy on America if this evil is allowed to stand. If Gov. Bush will confront this evil by sending in the state police or national guard to protect Terri, he will be remembered for his courage and integrity. Moreover, his commitment to his oath of office and to protecting the citizens under his care will likely ensure him a successful run for the White House in 2008. The publicity value of his actions alone will guarantee that his name will become a household word in America as the dwindling pro-death crowd hiss about him and those who value life praise him. If, on the other hand, Jeb Bush fails to protect Terri, her blood is on his hands and America will not forget his moral cowardice. Posted by: Pat C on March 24, 2005 05:21 AMYo, Dave - Have you tried applying to Stanford Law School? Sure would be cool to have a kindred spirit next door! Posted by: Baraka on March 24, 2005 05:37 AMPallas....I don't think anyone has ever suggested that Hawkings brain is in any way damaged.......rather the reverse. Posted by: on March 24, 2005 06:26 AMNow a doctor saying he was wrong, she's not brain dead as he thought before, she's brain damaged. No, she's not going to get up and do a jig anymore than Christopher Reeves did - now they're admitting she's not braind dead, she's " not brain aware." But the doctors can't say if she's in pain or not because nobody knows what happens in those states. Yet patients who are supposed to be in Theta or Delta, such as under anesthesia during an operation, when they come out of the anesthesia, tell the doctors eveything that occurred. There are people who have been in stroke or coma, who have said they were inside screaming in their heads at the people, who couldn't hear them or understand them. Entombed within your own body. She's breathing. Do they have the right to starve her? I'm beginning to think not. *** *** ** As someone who has fasted, regularly, I find that the most difficult part of a fast is getting yourself to eat again when it's over. One tends to feel hunger and thirst the first few days if one has never fasted before, but a "regular faster" usually enters the "not hungry or thirsty" phase, quickly. It is beyond ridiculous to suggest that Terri is feeling hunger and/or thirst, whether hooked to a feeding tube or not... Also, I was physically injured, more than a decade ago, to a degree which left me completely paralyzed for several years, but in enormous pain. I was given no hope for recovery, and HAD I been able to move, I would have killed myself. Now, I've recovered, but if someone said, "you can go Home, or you can do that, again," I would GO HOME! For anyone to suggest that Terri should remain "alive" because she might one day be able to recognize a face is to suggest that person has never had to face such a "rehabilitation." And to think that because "she might be alive in there" she should be kept on the feeding tube is unthinking cruelty. Most people would never want to spend 15 MINutes in that condition, let alone 15 years. The feeding tube is "an extraordinary measure," much like whatever procedure re-started her heart after 5 minutes, 15 years ago. We humans were not meant to live and die this way. She had therapy. She can't swallow. That some feel she "recognizes faces" is not enough reason to subject her to a hell on earth. And, if she's in pain, she will never be given full relief for fear of turning her into a drug addict... I don't understand how anyone can truly believe that this life is not "all there is," yet still be so desperate to keep this woman in limbo! Comparing Steven Hawking to Terri Schiavo is more than a bit of a stretch. vcz Posted by: vcz on March 24, 2005 06:48 AMBulimia is like a drawn out suicide. Binge and purge, binge, purge. It's like someone putting a gun to their mouth, removing it, picking it up again and again and again. A person with bulimia feels they have no control in their lives. Bulimia gives them a sense of control. Most bulimics use vomiting as a method of purging. Some use laxatives. Bulimics, like alcoholics go through incredible lengths to hide their habit from non bulimics. They learn how to vomit quietly, letting the bile slide down the toilet bowl. They learn how to vomit on demand, simply by thinking about it. Some bulimics reach a stage where they vomit accidently due to sneezing, laughing, or other body functions of mild natural expulsions. Long time bulimics can throw up fifty to seventy five times a day. They usually suffer from horrible dental problems as the acid from their stomach eats away enamel. Terri Schiavo has had five teeth extracted in the last 15 years. Eating disorders are not genetic. They are the product of deep psychological problems. It is hard to imagine someone wanting to live when they were killing themselves slowly while conscious. Posted by: ann o'mally on March 24, 2005 06:51 AMI think I am done applying to law schools at this time. Most of the application deadlines have passed, and, more to the point, I am content to let fate take its course at this point in the game. I applied to 8 schools in all, which is more than most apply to. If I get in, I get in. If not, perhaps it was not meant to be at this time. Ina any case, I appreciate everyone's encouragement and will let you all know what happens for the final three. I am supposed to be hearing from Wash U in St. Louis within the next week. American's decision could come at any time in the next three months. Tulane will probably arrive in about six more weeks. Think happy thoughts for me. Especialy when it comes to American, because that is where I really want to go. My gut feeling (intuition) strongly suggests that they will be looking over my application in the first half of next week. ------- And now for some more drama in the ongoing adventure that is the life of Dave. Many of you will recall the flaming bag of shit incident from a couple of weeks ago. This next story is unrelated, but equal (if not greater) in magnitude. I was at my other job this evening, which is as a delivery driver for a local deli. My first delivery late this afternoon was to a not-so-nice area of town near the state fair. For those of you familiar with South Dallas, you probably know what kind of reputation it has. Anyway. As I approached my destination, I began to see a large crowds of African American men and women moving towards the place where I was supposed to deliver the food. Hundreds of people were staring at something. Then I saw the cop cars. At first I didn't know what to make of it. Had someone been injured? Was there some sort of bizarre event going on in the street? And how was I going to make my delivery when the entire street had been roped off? I called the contact person listed on the deli's order form and asked her to meet me a couple of blocks away. Two minutes later she appeared. She gave me the cash; I gave her the bag of sandwiches. "What's going on?" I asked, fearing the worst. "Somebody's been killed here." My delivery had been to a murder scene. ----- The tower card kept appearing in my tarot readings last night, and was usually popping up in conjunction with the chariot card. Now I think I know what this was all about. I've been using humor to avoid dealing with the sheer horror of this situation. On the one hand, I was basically a random bystander in this whole scene. So it has been easy for me to make jokes about the situation, to forget that a human being came to an end. For example, I suggested that the order-takers at the deli refrain from commenting that our baked potatoes are "to die for." Ha Ha. Real funny Dave. Somebody actually died. I wasn't affected that much by the situation, but I don't like the way I handled it by turning it into a joke. It really isn't a laughing matter. But then there's the whole tarot element that may as well have predicted this happening--the chariot car as a reference to my driving around making deliveries and then the tower card standing in for some sort of dramatic incident. How could I (or the cards) have possibly anticipated something like this happening? I point this out partly as a justification for the comments I made earlier about law school. Maybe some things are just fated to happen, whereas other things are not. Another issue that comes to mind as being related to this incident is the connection between this murder and the Schiavo case. I certainly think that we ought to be very careful when it comes to issues of life and death. Life is a precious thing indeed. It is unfortunate that we have not come to understand that on this planet, save for a handful of enlightened souls. I think that the Christian right thinks it values life, but I do not know if I share with them a similar understanding of what life is or why it is to be valued. It is funny because as much as the fundies hate science, it is as if the scientific meaning of life is how they understand life to be. Breathing, eating, having a beating heart, being a coherent functioning biological organism--whether in a fetus or in a human vegetable--are the things that define life in their worldview. The rationally quantifiable, extrinsic characteristics of life are how the fundies measure it beginning at conception and ending when the heart stops beating. Isn't it ironic that biology shapes fundamentalist life-and-death morality, yet these same people reject scientific conclusions like Darwinism? Theirs is such a limited view. Life is valuable for how we live it, for the autonomy which is engendered through it. Wars, shootings, and violence defile both life and autonomy. It is sad that these fundamentalists do not see this. It is sad that I allowed myself to lose sight of this today. This incident was far less personal than the flaming-box-of-shit-with-a-Jewish-star incident, yet the fact that murder was involved somehow makes today's incident comparable in magnitude. I will say that I looked over some of my astrology reports and found no significant transits in my chart today, and certainly nothing that would relate to the murder. Of course, it's not about me in the end. It's about the guy who was killed and the person who killed him. I have soooooo much to say about all of this, but will not continue this stream-of-consciousness because I need to get some sleep. I will try to post some more of my thoughts on life and death later on. Posted by: Dave on March 24, 2005 07:18 AMEating disorders are not genetic. They are the product of deep psychological problems. It is hard to imagine someone wanting to live when they were killing themselves slowly while conscious. *** *** ** I can't think of ANYthing that would make me want to "die" faster than being in Terri's position, with or without hope of recovery, under the guardianship and care of my parents! I really don't know why people have assumed the parents are "wonderful" people, simply because they're fighting to keep her breathing. It may be that Michael knows she did not have a good relationship with them, and would rather anything than years of having to listen to them talking at her, with no escape. [*shudder*] Not only is it endlessly ironic that her life seems still about "to eat or not to eat" [the bulemics and anorexics I've known have told me that every waking moment was spent thinking about eating and/or not eating], but her parents may be the very people from whom she was trying to wrest control for all those years. If the media had any sense of responsibility it would talk about eating disorders. Instead it's about quantity instead of quality of life. Posted by: ann o'mally on March 24, 2005 07:54 AMI haven't jumped in for a while, but this topic is too close to home for me... mike and vcs - Great points and I can't agree with you more! While I have never been paralyzed, I have had 68 surgeries over my 54 years of life (starting at the age of 16 months old) and know only too well the suffering that can happen from decisions made by others to keep one alive. I guess you could also say I have experience on both sides of the issue since I majored in nursing in college and worked in hospitals for 4 years before my health turned worse. Six years ago when I discovered I had lung cancer (probably set off by the more than 100 chest x-rays I've had and a possible genetic predisposition as my grandfather died of lung cancer -- and no I never smoked) I decided before doing surgery to do a living will with the stipulation that I not be resuscitated if anything went wrong. When looking for a health advocate for my living will to protect my wishes, I had a terrible time finding any of my many friends who would honor my wish to not plug me into every tube and device known to man. While I'm glad my friends love me, their selfishness at not freeing me and possibly condemning me to even more suffering was extremely frustrating to me. My boss finally got it when she realized I was more terrified of having another surgery than dying, and agreed to be my advocate. Fortunately or unfortunately, I have been blessed and cursed to be able to clearly see both sides of an issue and have pondered for many years about these life and death decisions we have to make. I'll readily admit on my bad days when I start batering with God to let me go home I feel real anger that people made decisions that put me in this postion. Especially, when all is said and done -- they're off living their lives someplace and I'm the one left by myself to suffer the consequences of their actions.... On the other side of the coin I have OK days and can only hope I will be able to fullfil my purpose in life since I somehow survived everything. (And believe me, if I didn't think there was a reason for my surviving, I'd go right around the bend...so to speak.) I agree with too with Sally's last comments. This is an issue needed to be addressed in this country as we do not on a spiritual level deal well at all with death and dying. As others have noted, it seems to me too that all this talk and posturing by the "religious folks" about loving God and "heaven" becomes hypocritical when they would rather keep someone physically here in the name of "life" by artificial means, even if it condemns that person to great suffering rather than to release that person to return to God or the Universal Consciousness. For me, it is all about the quality of life, life without quality can quite easily become a living hell. Hopefully this will start people to realize that they need to become proactive and make decisions for themselves and not leave it to their families or doctors, because frankly it is not fair to them or to yourself. While it is a grand idea to honor and protect life, we have not caught up with medical science in this country and have condemned people to suffer in ways never thought of before. When modern technology saves people it can be wonderful or terrible -- a double edged sword that we have yet to learn to wield. The sad truth is, we are kinder and show more compassion to our cats and dogs than we do to our fellow human beings. Posted by: Kathleen on March 24, 2005 08:26 AMWell it looks like Pluto in Sagittarius has done its number on the Catholic Church. The Pope squeaked out an opinion on the human feeding tube quandary, and no one noticed. Posted by: jm on March 24, 2005 11:29 AMThis Mercury in Aries is wild. I just figured out why the Democrats are going to win the Presidency in 2008. We need a tax hike and a draft here in the ol' USA. The Republicans are going to try and foist that on the Democrats. Posted by: jm on March 24, 2005 11:41 AMThere is news, other than Terri --- Remember the press report yesterday that US-Iraqis had killed 40 insurgents and destroyed their camp? Well, a reporter from AFP visited the site and files the following: ------------------------ The correspondent, who went with other journalists to the camp at Lake Tharthar, 200km north of Baghdad, said he saw 30 to 40 fighters there. The remains of three burnt vehicles were seen on a dusty road leading to the camp in the village of Ain al-Hilwa. A few mud huts were partly destroyed and a few big craters gouged the ground. One of the fighters, who called himself Mohammed Amer and claimed to belong to the Secret Islamic Army, said they had never left the base. He also said only 11 of his comrades were killed in airstrikes on the site. more at link http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,12645853-23109,00.html Posted by: Jo on March 24, 2005 11:49 AMPallas, I really don't have an opinion on the Terri S. case... I'm not privvy to info and I'm not part of her family. I do have an opinion about the interference of Congress, the rez and the gov of Florida --- it is blatantly WRONG. I also have an opinion that too much attention has been given this case, while other situations that warrant resolution go unattended. [I really should learn to assert myself and have an opinion, shouldn't I?!!!] This type of case is bound to bring emotions to the fore for anyone learning about it... my heart goes out to this entity and to the family and to this country as well... they are all being used as pawns by the fascists. Meanwhile none of our mounting problems are going away... nor will they fit under any rug... to all: It is spring here in the Carolinas. Yesterday was beautiful --- daffodils and trees in bloom... Spring Break coming... The Moon is still waxing, [now is the time to make those requests you have been meditating on all month] will be full tomorrow... This Air Full Moon is in Libra, ruled by Venus. At home in the 7th house. Jupiter opposing Mercury entering full moon --- Lacking tact and diplomacy during this time; Danger of being opinionated and blunt. It would be useful to think before you speak. A little restraint could go a long way. This entity will endeavor to not insert foot in mouth! Sally expressed concern some time ago about this particular full moon... Restraint? Aries? I'll forgive anyone who is blunt and opinionated, under the circumstances. Posted by: jm on March 24, 2005 12:36 PMI think this Terri case is to distract us and look at all the TS threads going on, my word. I have not stated an opinion here but wish to report something kinda dumbed down but relevant. While you are at it STOP buying celebrity children's books. First, they suck..... second, they are ruining it for REAL authors and illustrators and taking all of our advance monies so there is nothing left for us. The real reviewers will not review them. Worst of all it creates an image in children's minds that only celebrities are authors. Farrout, that dream of yours, the Piscean Age is coming to an end. Washing up on the rocks of detachment of the Aquarian age. Slippery types flying out of the subconciousness into the realm of conciousness. All the slippery bs the Fundies come up with keeps hitting the rocks. And now their hidden (under the ocean) agendas are being exposed. Just read in DU that Jebbie's Dr Chersire source is a Fundie!!!! Butter or plain...your popcorn of course. Posted by: bhakti on March 24, 2005 02:03 PMps Still on my rant...... the celebrities do not write those books! The publishers make a proposal to the celebrity and write the books for them. Learned that from many editors while traveling to teach. Wake up! It's all a shill game. And the fish are washing up on shore...it's beginning to ruin the publishing industry. Biting them in their corporate shill ass. Two execptions: Jamie Lee Curtis writes good books. Julie Andrews has been in children's books since the 70's. Posted by: bhakti on March 24, 2005 02:26 PM Genetically engineered seaweed can neutralize the pollutant. But is this cure for dirty oceans riskier than the problem? http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0324/p14s02-sten.html?s=mesen Timber companies and environmental groups have signed an agreement to cooperate. http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0324/p14s01-sten.html?s=mesen Posted by: Pat C on March 24, 2005 03:02 PMDo scroll down for the memorable photo of *.
Run Away! Run Away! CBS: CBS/AP) Congressional leaders have insisted their only motivation in getting involved in the Terri Schiavo case was saving a life. But Americans aren’t buying that argument, a CBS News poll finds. Just 13 percent of those polled think Congress intervened in the case out of concern for Schiavo, while 74 percent think it was all about politics. Of those polled, 66 percent said the tube should not be inserted compared to 27 percent who want it restored. The issue has generated strong feelings, with 78 percent of those polled -- wheter for either side of the issue -- saying they have strong feelings. Public approval of Congress has suffered as a result; at 34 percent, it is the lowest it has been since 1997, dropping from 41 percent last month. Now at 43 percent, President Bush’s approval rating is also lower than it was a month ago.
Democrats tried to block the legislation from coming to a vote on the floor of Congress, and some accused the Republicans of acting out of political motives. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said "Congressional leaders have no business substituting their judgment for that of multiple state courts that have extensively considered the issues in this intensely personal family matter." "This rush to exploit a personal tragedy is not fair to those involved and will not create good policy," she said. And Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., said, "If you don't want a decision to be made politically, why in the world do you ask 535 politicians to make it?" Posted by: Pat C on March 24, 2005 03:21 PMSCOTUS will not hear the case. Posted by: Pat C on March 24, 2005 03:29 PMhttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7279621/ How Schiavo parents built support base Posted by: Pat C on March 24, 2005 03:42 PMWorth a serious read ... http://crisispapers.org/features/ep-blogs.htm Judgment at Nuremburg - They knew & we know too. There was a fever over the land. A fever of disgrace, of indignity, of hunger. We had a democracy, yes. But it was torn by elements within. Above all, there was fear; fear of today, fear of tomorrow, fear of our neighbors, and fear of ourselves. It was the old old story of the sacrificial lamb. What about those of us who knew better? We who knew the words were lies, and worse than lies? Why did we sit silent? Why did we take part? Because we loved our country. More ... worth a read.
wow, people are FREAKING out over this, and tomorrow's a full moon.......... Scotus just ruled nay and Greer ruled against Jebco taking her into protective custody. Now what? Posted by: M. on March 24, 2005 04:26 PM"Comparing Steven Hawking to Terri Schiavo is more than a bit of a stretch....vcz" Well I agree in some part VCZ - but his quality of life stinks imho - he's the opposite of Ms Schiavo - no body, all brain. Christopher Reeves - totally paralyzed-on breathing and feeding apparatus, didn't want to die. I had an uncle who had a severe stroke. He was a great intellectual, but was then paralyzed and unable to speak. Stroke is brain damage. His 4th wife dumped him in a VA hospital, and the family had no authority to get him out of there. It was pitiful.He didn't want to die. When we would visit he would make it known-he was begging for us to take him home with us. We couldn't. And she just wanted to dump him. It was heart wrenching. Doctors do not know enough about the brain to know where people are in there and what they do and don;t feel. And that's a fact which at least the more conscientious and honest of them admit. The assertion that her body is not registering hunger pains and other pain as her organs break down and her kidneys stop working is ridiculous. It would be more humane to give her an injection to kill her than kill her by starvation. Whoever said we treat our dogs and cats more humanely is right. I had a cat for 19 years that was the most intelligent animal and personality you could ever imagine. Her heart was failing and I did try to keep her; when she couldn't stand anymore or eat I fed her with a baby bottle - and finally put her out of her suffering. I held her while the doctor gave her the shot that ended her life instantaneously. We all have experiences from which we evaluate this situation, but god forbid any of us should be in her situation. In any case with a Full Moon and an eclipse her dying an ugly death should be over soon. I think it's disgusting.
What's next. Politically, the * brothers have achieved their purpose - giving judges a black eye....making the I'm not quite sure if they have achieved what This question, in Florida, at least, will come up again and again - probably until * brother is able to sign the kind of order * did in Texas. Even though the husband was the guardian Posted by: Pallas18 on March 24, 2005 04:45 PMSorry, I think-type on line and there are always little sentences that I thought i deleted left over at the bottom......? ignore "even though the husgband twas the guardian Posted by: Pallas18 on March 24, 2005 04:46 PMPallas, have no fear, she is in a hospice. She is cared for and kept comfortable in the process. This is a woman who has not had one bed sore in fifteen years. We should all leave this earth under such care. I just saw a report showing Amreicans in Italy. They are very angry with the Congress and are anxious to get their own living will completed. Posted by: Pat C on March 24, 2005 04:50 PMDeLay, Deny and Demagogue Are the Republicans so obsessed with maintaining control over all branches of government, and are the Democrats so emasculated about not having any power, that they are willing to turn the nation into a wholly owned subsidiary of the church? The more dogma-driven activists, self-perpetuating pols and ratings-crazed broadcast media prattle about "faith," the less we honor the credo that a person's relationship with God should remain a private matter. As the Bush White House desperately maneuvers in Iraq to prevent the new government from being run according to the dictates of religious fundamentalists, it desperately maneuvers here to pander to religious fundamentalists who want to dictate how the government should be run. Maybe President Bush should spend less time preaching about spreading democracy around the world and more time worrying about our deteriorating democracy. Even some Republicans seemed appalled at this latest illustration of Nietzsche's observation that "morality is the best of all devices for leading mankind by the nose." As Christopher Shays, one of five House Republicans who voted against the bill to allow the Terri Schiavo case to be snatched from Florida state jurisdiction and moved to federal court, put it: "This Republican Party of Lincoln has become a party of theocracy. There are going to be repercussions from this vote." A CBS News poll yesterday found that 82 percent of the public was opposed to Congress and the president intervening in this case; 74 percent thought it was all about politics. The president, who couldn't be dragged outdoors to talk about the more than a hundred thousand people who died in the horrific tsunami, was willing to be dragged out of bed to sign a bill about one woman his base had fixated on. But with the new polls, the White House seemed to shrink back a bit. The scene on Capitol Hill this past week has been almost as absurdly macabre as the movie "Weekend at Bernie's," with Tom DeLay and Bill Frist propping up between them this poor woman in a vegetative state to indulge their own political agendas. Mr. DeLay, the poster child for ethical abuse, wanted to show that he is still a favorite of conservatives. Dr. Frist thinks he can ace out Jeb Bush to be 44, even though he has become a laughingstock by trying to rediagnose Ms. Schiavo's condition by video. As one disgusted Times reader suggested in an e-mail: "Americans ought to send Bill Frist their requests: 'Dear Dr. Frist: Please watch the enclosed video and tell us if that mole on my mother's cheek is cancer. Does she need surgery?'" Jeb, keeping up with the '08 competition, vainly tried to get Florida to declare Ms. Schiavo a ward of the state. Republicans easily abandon their cherished principles of individual privacy and states rights when their personal ambitions come into play. The first time they snatched a case out of a Florida state court to give to a federal court, it was Bush v. Gore. This time, it's Bush v. Constitution. While Senate Democrats like Hillary Clinton, who are trying to curry favor with red staters, meekly allowed the shameful legislation to be enacted, at least some Floridian House members decided to put up a fight, though they knew they couldn't win. The president and his ideological partners don't believe in separation of powers. They just believe in their own power. First they tried to circumvent the Florida courts; now they're trying to pack the federal bench with conservatives and even blow up the filibuster rule. But they may yet learn a lesson on checks and balances, as the federal courts rebuffed them in the Schiavo case. Mr. DeLay moved yesterday to file a friend of the court brief with the Supreme Court asking that Ms. Schiavo's feeding tube be restored while the federal court is deciding what to do. But as he exploits this one sad case, Mr. DeLay has voted to slash Medicaid by $15 billion, denying money to care for poor people in nursing homes, some on feeding tubes. Mr. DeLay made his personal stake clear at a conference last Friday organized by the Family Research Council, a conservative Christian group. He said that God had brought Terri Schiavo's struggle to the forefront "to help elevate the visibility of what's going on in America." He defined that as "attacks against the conservative movement, against me and against many others." So it's not about her crisis at all. It's about his crisis. Posted by: Pat C on March 24, 2005 05:05 PMWell what do you know. Although Bush and Co. thought they could use the Schiavo case and steroid abuse scandals (both of which have been around for a long time) to distract people from the real problems that grip this country, their ploy has backfired bigtime and instead opened Pandora's box!! Yes thanks to their latest sanctimonious actions, people have started to wake up and question why the government feels it has the right to interfere in so many areas of our lives. Perhaps it is still far away but there finally appears to be a glimmer of light at the end of that long dark tunnel...... Posted by: Bobbypins on March 24, 2005 05:13 PMRemembering Romero Choosing Poverty's Banker
Bobbypins, You know what? I really hope that after Judge Wittmore decides that 'Lil Jeb has no legal right to take Terri into custody, he does what all the fundies want, and defies the law to do so. This country needs the lines to be drawn in the sand crystal clearly now re what kind of society we have morphed into, and what kind of society we are willing to become. If Jeb defies the courts (with the tacit approval of W of course), then judging by the response of the Dems and the few non-cretinous Repubs left, we will see once and for all if there is any hope for the America I so strongly yearn for to return, i.e. a nation ruled by laws and not by(mad)men! Posted by: Grizzly on March 24, 2005 05:36 PMDowd is right on. Shows the power of Delay to get * and Frist to Well that hasn't worked, and has left the brothers, Delay, and Frist in deep doo doo. This may have broken up the stranglehold * and the They have to be damn mad at their leadership having the country, 82%, turn against them. But here's the real question. Besides trying to get rid of the judiciary's power, what are they covering up that they are doing? Whenever dimbot goes back to the ranch, plans are Pallas....I once had a wonderful Abyssinian cat who I didn't have any idea was sick with cancer until one Sunday afternoon when I found him lying in my tulip bed howling in pain. I rushed Raja to the emergency vet, a woman who immediately said, he feels no pain....he is unconscious...it is his autonomic (lizard brain) system which is reacting and howling. She put him down, mercifully. The point of this is, Shiavo's cerebral cortex registers no activity....although her body responds. It is no different than the heart kept beating in a jar in a lab....it has no feeling, but it is 'beating'. So what is the definition of death? Now it is brain death. Her lizard brain seems to be alive.... I have several friends who have had to remove feeding tubes from parents....they being in the same vegetative state. NOT THE SAME AS STEVEN HAWKING. His brain is better than anyone on this planet, better than anyone on this board.....so WHAT IS LIFE? Well, he can still communicate, but technology makes it possible. Otherwise, he would have been dead years ago....because the body couldn't cope. We just, as a people, haven't solved this problem yet....and spiritually speaking, some people need to understand when to 'move on'.....my mother begs to come home from the conv. hospital also....but I couldn't sustain her at home....or even afford to. We all have to assume some responsibility for our OWN lives, too....and accept changed circumstances. The hypocrisy of the Xnoids is also obscuring real problems for people with disabilities, who at this point for some reason feel this situation threatens their legal rights. It is too bad it is getting all mixed in together, because disabilitiy issues are a huge area in this country which needs our attention and understanding. Sorry to be lecturing...my soapbox just got discovered under a pile of old stuff....and I couldn't resist.... Posted by: judi gemini on March 24, 2005 06:10 PMhttp://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?pid=2279 Congress on Steroids When appearing before the House Government Reform Committee last week, Mark McGwire didn't want to talk about his past. It was an appropriate place to develop historical amnesia. Over the last four years the Committee hasn't tried to investigate, let alone reform, any government scandals whatsoever. Steroids in baseball--yes, but falsified WMD evidence, Halliburton no-bid contracts, the outing of a CIA operative--no.
Links within article Posted by: Pat C on March 24, 2005 06:14 PM((((Judi)))) Posted by: Pat C on March 24, 2005 06:19 PMJudi, agreed. "The hypocrisy of the Xnoids is also obscuring real problems for people with disabilities, who at this point for some reason feel this situation threatens their legal rights. It is too bad it is getting all mixed in together, because disabilitiy issues are a huge area in this country which needs our attention and understanding." It is said there are some 30,000 people across America in the same "vegetative" condition. If I were a person with severe disabilities,or on ventilators or life support,(I negate that thought) I would be pretty frightened right about now too, that the State was going to disconnect me. Posted by: Pallas18 on March 24, 2005 06:22 PMIt seems to be a rule of the universe itself that hubris is its own undoing.....and that while engaging in hubris one believes that one is always in the right, that it is everyone else who is wrong, and so.... believing that you actually DO walk on water, your drown....DeLay should be looking for some water wings right about now.... remember how fast what's his name (how fast we forget the truly excreable....the Senate Majority leader who Frist replaced) went down when he showed up as a still active racist? Oh yeh....Lott....I'm sure he had lots of help from Frist in HIS downfall....which is why we say rethugs eat there own... De Lay is known as 'the hammer'....hmmmmm..... Posted by: judi gemini on March 24, 2005 06:24 PMGold Near Five-Week Low as Stronger Dollar Seen Reducing Demand (sucker punch - dropped 20 points from 445 - profit taking) Bloomberg - USA Actually, I would HOPE that the state would disconnect ME....if I was unable to communicate and was just using up recources that could help other people more. My mother is in a room now with a woman who is always asleep, so I have no idea if she is ever conscious; another lady, Chinese, who is deaf and speaks no English, but who occasionally gets up and goes to the bathroom, etc....and my mother, who is emotionally distant to the extent that she doesn't know she HAS two roomates. But my mother is physically healthy at 96 with no short term memory at times (dementia, not Alz)...but needs constant care. NOW, if the rethugs suddenly decide Medicare doesn't need to care for any of these, we are all in trouble....not just the disabled. How Schiavo's case will change this I don't know....I only know these people like my mother are getting care, some of which is probably a giant waste of money and they should be allowed to But there need to be LEGAL guidelines, and perhaps this will be the impetus to establish those. It is one of the downsides of overpopulation which is the result of stupid religious prohibitions against birthcontrol. The Malthusians warned us decades ago that this was going to be a major problem....if we stopped concentrating on China's abortion policy and look at what the hell would we do in such a case we would realized that we, the people, have overrun our resources and we NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT. You'd think the rethugs would be more on that side than on the one they take. We live in a constant state of cognitive dissonance. Posted by: judi gemini on March 24, 2005 06:37 PMPat C.....what do those (((((( )))))) mean? I know the smiley face, but clueless on this, although of course, it looks NICE to me... Posted by: judi gemini on March 24, 2005 06:41 PMOkay, Am I currently in the twilight zone? I swear to heaven I heard a CNN anchor say earlier today that the ruling had gone against Jebby, now I hear they are waiting for a decision. Oh dear, now I'm hearing voices! This is what living under the terminal management style of ***Hco has done to me. Posted by: M. on March 24, 2005 06:41 PMFrom my column on the Gold Digger:
"Yet, there’s something nasty about Eclipse Mercury, Sun, Moon, Venus and North Node conjunct Chiron and squaring Eclipse Saturn exactly; almost as if all of Congress is in agreement to keep quiet about their true goals." Since I use the USA Gemini rising chart, it describes exactly what has happened: The eclipse hit the Natal Chiron, the wounded, of the USA Gemini/Uranus rising chart. Chiron is the prominent actor in this eclipse drama along with Uranus.
Transiting Uranus also rules the Aquarian 9th house of religion - squaring natal Uranus rising on the Ascendant - the fundies battling the government - the courts (and they were threatening Jeb also) In the Gemini Rising USA chart, all that is happening is right up there for all the world to see. If we were foreigners, maybe what they are seeing is shocking to them... hmmmm. The world is being shocked. (they can join us elite liberals) They have seen the attempted Uranus comes from (rules) the 9th house of the Higher Judiciary....THE JUDGES at war with the current govt (administration -natal Uranus rising in the Gemini rising chart. Talk about triple plays.
Judi - I'm so sorry. been there, done that. twice. glad it's over, don;t ever want to go through it again. ((((Judi)))) Pat , this means hugs, and the person's name inside is being sent them. Posted by: Pallas18 on March 24, 2005 07:09 PM"Dr. Ronald Cranford, a neurologist and medical ethicist at the University of Minnesota Medical School who has examined Ms. Schiavo on behalf of the Florida courts and declared her to be irredeemably brain-damaged, said, "I have no idea who this Cheshire is," and added: "He has to be bogus, a pro-life fanatic. You'll not find any credible neurologist or neurosurgeon to get involved at this point and say she's not vegetative."
Judi, (((( )))) is a hug. M, there were a couple of different types of attempts made and now again he was turned down. Somehow I doubt it is ended yet. Common sense has never been a B* trait. If we know a man by the people around him, it is self-explainitory. Posted by: Pat C on March 24, 2005 07:17 PMWoops, cross post with Pallas! Posted by: Pat C on March 24, 2005 07:18 PMFrom Nancy's last article: "Uranus will be opposite Bush’s Mars, semisquare his Midheaven, and square the Inaugural Moon from March 24 through April 15... Shit Hits Fan. Posted by: Vis on March 24, 2005 07:20 PMhttp://www.watchingamerica.com/ Discover What the World Thinks About U.S.
The Judge ( Greer the State Judge ) has turned down the motion to hear "new medical evidence from the That Judge better move not just out of the state but out of the country. We're on a Full Moon and the eclipse. Now comes the violence. Posted by: Pallas18 on March 24, 2005 07:22 PMPallas, I do hope tomorrow is less threatening. I haven't looked yet. Posted by: Pat C on March 24, 2005 07:26 PMPat C Thanks for the World News translated site - that's great. Posted by: Pallas18 on March 24, 2005 07:29 PMvcz: Comparing Steven Hawking to Terri Schiavo is more than a bit of a stretch... Pallas: Well I agree in some part VCZ - but his quality of life stinks imho - he's the opposite of Ms Schiavo - no body, all brain. vcz: Were I to have a choice, I'd MUCH rather be Hawking than Schiavo. Though the physical remains of my accident are almost unnoticeable [but I assure you, you would never want to spend years relearning to walk and move "through the pain"], the concussive remains, slightly. For the first few months, friends would call several times a day just to remind me that I'd had a life [long story, but I went into an immediate depression because I couldn't remember, and was convinced I'd "never done anything" with my life]. As I started to recover mental faculties, words wouldn't come, correctly [and I was and am a wordsmith!]. I rmemebered ALL of the glyphs for the zodiacal signs, but NONE of the glyphs for the planets. I remembered EVERY note for EVERY instrument of EVERY arrangement I'd ever heard, but I could not remember the words. Huge pockets of "knowledge" just Gone. And I still can't get them back. It's been almost 15 years. Pallas: Christopher Reeves - totally paralyzed-on breathing and feeding apparatus, didn't want to die. vcz: Yes, and Reeves interacted with his family, could speak, and WORK. He was also not beholden to the state for his medical care. Pallas: I had an uncle who had a severe stroke. He was a great intellectual, but was then paralyzed and unable to speak. Stroke is brain damage. His 4th wife dumped him in a VA hospital, and the family had no authority to get him out of there. It was pitiful.He didn't want to die. When we would visit he would make it known-he was begging for us to take him home with us. We couldn't. And she just wanted to dump him. It was heart wrenching. vcz: Much more heart-wrenching, to me, is that he was stuck where he didn't want to be. You say the family had "no authority" to get him out. Were you actually going to care for him on the outside? Or did you think his "4th wife" was supposed to do the 24/7 at home so that you could visit him once in a while? And, I KNOW you loved your uncle, but when I think about a man on his 4th wife, I'm not thinking he'd be a joy to care for in such a situation. Pallas: Doctors do not know enough about the brain to know where people are in there and what they do and don;t feel. And that's a fact which at least the more conscientious and honest of them admit. vcz: What's the difference between God and a doctor? God doesn't think he's a doctor. We agree, en toto. And according to doctors, over the years, I should be dead or at least a quad. That doctors can say with no surety that Terri is NOT "suffering" is even more reason to let her go. Man played God by bringing her back to life after her heart had been stopped for 5mins, and man is playing God by insisting she remain here, when, on her own, God would "call her Home." Pallas: The assertion that her body is not registering hunger pains and other pain as her organs break down and her kidneys stop working is ridiculous. The woman is not sick, she is brain damaged. vcz: Pallas, a person who simply fasts regularly will tell you that after a brief period there is no feeling of hunger or thirst [the reason fasters have to "force themselves" to drink enough water during a fast to avoid dehydration]. Have you ever worked with malnourished refugees? VERY difficult to get them to eat and drink when there's finally food and water. Pallas: It would be more humane to give her an injection to kill her than kill her by starvation. vcz: AGREED! But we're not going to do that. Pallas: Whoever said we treat our dogs and cats more humanely is right. vcz: And this is the line which made me feel the need to respond. I run a rescue shelter for abused and tortured animals. We stopped counting when we hit 2000 "victims" [in less than two years]. BeLIEVE me! We only give lip-service to helping animals [much like the empty lip-service regarding our alleged habit of doing everything "for the children"]. The people who are setting animals on fire, putting cigarettes out in their eyes, chopping off their limbs, using them for target practice, etc., are the bellweathers of our culture. Most of what's happening with Terri Schiavo is lip-service. We can feel good about ourselves for "caring" about her situation [though none of the actual responsibility is ours], while we think nothing of the deaths we CAUSE, on a daily basis. The tsunami donations served the very same purpose. Let's get all warm and squishy about how generous and kind we are and forget about the murder and mayhem for which we're responsible in the Middle East [and 'round the globe]. It's nothing but self-serving claptrap... vcz Posted by: vcz on March 24, 2005 07:32 PM"This is getting very complex. And now America is not just worried about Terry Schiavo. Terry Schiavo has become each American...worrying is that going to happen to me?" Agreed! Americans are "all about me." When the story of the school shooting in Minnesota broke, our local news showed Red Lake on the map, then went into a TEN MINUTE "what if that happened here" segment. We got liitle information about the incident and/or the people involved. When the towers in New York were hit, Americans all over the country began freaking out that, "it could happen here! To us!!" Residents of little Podunk towns as far away as Montana and Florida and Nevada, etc., ad nauseam, were "beefing up their security" and -- lololol -- actually believing bin Laden was on his way! When the tsunami hit, our reports were maybe 30% about the people who actually experienced same, 35% about how we're the most generous people in the world [we actually rank WAY down the list], and 35% was "what if it happened here???" That Americans are "all about me" is, unfortunately, obvious to pretty much everyone but Americans. vcz Posted by: vcz on March 24, 2005 07:39 PMThe family is going back to federal court filing a full denovo hearing (all the facts) from the full court, rather than a three judge panel. Posted by: Pat C on March 24, 2005 07:44 PMAnd here it is folks, chant with me WE'RE NUMBER ONE! WE'RE NUMBER ONE! in another dubious category. You'll all love this! "The World Health Organization has released a study that verifies the United States is the undisputed champion in mental illness*, dominating various pathologies ranging from anxiety to depression to poor impulse control. We easily vanquished underachieving Old Europe in post-traumatic stress syndrome, bipolar disorder, and bulimia nervosa. Additionally, our magnificent land trounced the supposedly productive Asian countries in both senility and agoraphobia, while coasting past Africa in pediatric hyperactivity. In fact, there would have been a gold medal sweep for America if Ukraine had not cheated by submitting doctored urine to edge us out in substance abuse." http://makethemaccountable.com/podvin/more/050322_AmericaRules.htm Each and every one of you (((((( ))))))) (big grins) karen Posted by: farrout on March 24, 2005 07:58 PMWebsters Fifth Edition "Cynics: violent critics of social customs and "That Americans are "all about me" is, unfortunately, obvious to pretty much everyone but Americans. " With the possible exception of Mother Theresa EVERYBODY including you, as you have recounted, is all about "me". VCZ - you take liberties far beyond civility and propriety, making insulting statements of matters you know nothing of, and which I choose not to nor have any obligation to clarify to you. "Arguments are to be avoided; they are always vulgar.... " Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900)
Oscar Wilde Here we go - Candy Crowley of CNN just put Pat Robertson up Randall Terry was just on threatening Jeb Bush is I'm sure they're really going to get somewhere by threatening. Pallas: VCZ - you take liberties far beyond civility and propriety, making insulting statements of matters you know nothing of, and which I choose not to nor have any obligation to clarify to you. Pallas, you seem to be "insulted" whenever someone is as "attached to" their opinions as you are to yours. I do not accept that anything I wrote was "an insult" to you or anyone else on this board. That one might CHOOSE to see it as such is, indeed, a choice. You are making statements which are not backed by the facts of this case, by the Science, nor by many others' personal experience. You were previously "insulted" because someone corrected you regarding the fact that Terri had, indeed, received years of therapy [I believe you were thinking that, had she therapy, things might improve. The mere act of "updating your information" was taken as "an insult"]. To me, the PRIMARY problem in this country is that no one is ever supposed to say or do anything which might make another "uncomfortable." But in a serious discussion, such issues must be discussed, in depth, and dispassionately. If avoidance is not right for "them" it's not right for "us". And in that vein: Under the Radar EDUCATION - FLORIDA BILL TARGETS "DICTATOR PROFESSORS": Conservative Florida legislators are pushing a bill that aims to stamp out "leftist totalitarianism" by "dictator professors" in the classrooms of Florida's universities. The so-called "Academic Freedom Bill of Rights" legislation is yet another state spin-off of right-wing activist David Horowitz's campus crusade to prohibit public and private college professors from introducing "controversial matter" into the classroom and shift oversight of college course content to state governments and courts. "According to a legislative staff analysis of the bill, the law would give students who think their beliefs are not being respected legal standing to sue professors and universities," the University of Florida's student newspaper reports. Students would also have the right to sue if they believe their professor is "singling them out for 'public ridicule' - for instance, when professors use the Socratic method to force students to explain their theories in class." The bill has two more committees to pass before it can be considered by the full House. http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=100480&lftnav=progressreport Professors using the Socratic method to force students to explain their theories is "picking on" them??! I am assuming you were insulted by my wondering if YOU were willing to take care of your uncle, or if you were expecting his "4th wife" to do that. And by my observation that a man on his 4th wife might not be easy to care for by a wife. I KNOW he was your beloved uncle, but does that mean you can't accept his complexity and STILL love him? Does that mean that you must, in effect, "demonize" his 4th wife for, in your eyes, having been unwilling to take on such a responsibility? NONE of this is an "insult" -- WE'RE ALL HUMAN! But we're here to transcend our tendencies, not to wallow in them. And how can that happen if we will never entertain a single thought which might infer we don't already know Everything and aren't already Perfect? And, lastly: I've always said that "I wish I could kill everyone for just five minutes so they could see what I've seen." Talk to or read stories of those who have "died and come back." Those who have "seen" and are left with absolutely NO doubt but that this earth is, basically, a boarding school. You will find us all perplexed that those who claim to believe in God and "a Heavenly afterlife" are scared sh*tless by any thought of actually experiencing same. This case is about a theocratic regime behaving as hypocritically as usual. The ONLY person who knows the Truth about Michael Schiavo's motivation is Michael Schiavo. I cringed when I saw him referred to as "her adulterous husband." Did the person who wrote that ever find out how long after Terri's heart-attack he entered a new relationship? How old are his kids, now? If he'd never had another relationship he'd be accused of "not accepting reality" and "not moving on." And you have NO idea how ironic it is that *I* would be one to "defend" him. I'm always the one insisting -- I don't hate men. Honest! I worship the very women they walk on!!! PEACE! Love & Understanding. ;-) President George W. Bush interrupted his vacation to make a special trip at taxpayer expense, flying back to Washington D.C. to sign a law forcing a brain-dead woman to be kept alive. Terri Schiavo’s cerebral cortex has liquefied -- completely atrophied -- leaving her no hope of recovery. 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