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Please continue the discussion from the last thread. Sally's computer is down so I am starting this one on her behalf. Warm greetings to all!! Nancy
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Thanks Nancy... And thank you WV for giving us news of Sally... Here's an article on The Hawks in Liberals' Clothing http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Mar05/Sustar0310.htm more affirmation that jihad knows no nationality... lots of jihads in America... only they want to export xtianity... Posted by: Jo on March 12, 2005 04:33 PM
Sally says she has Libra on the ASC and Sag on Donations would be nice and much appreciated, Positive Fusion is switching to a new type of system (because of the increased issues with hackers on everyone's site.) Just about all providers are doing so, it's become quite a problem for everyone with a blog. My son returns tonight so that's helpful. She is able to communicate through her laptop, so
http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20050311-115948-2015r Posted by: wv on March 12, 2005 05:20 PM
http://www.lightworks.com/MonthlyAspectarian/2005/March/feature3.htm Posted by: wv on March 12, 2005 05:37 PMJonathon's comment on the last thread about Karen Hughes' appointment about made me puke. Thanks wv, for posting the message from Sally. I'm curious where Chiron & Merc. are at in her chart. Posted by: Peg on March 12, 2005 05:44 PM
Listen to Segment || Download Show mp3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- more... http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/11/1449253 Posted by: wv on March 12, 2005 05:48 PMand thanks again wv, for posting"The Art of Not Being Offended". It reminds me of NDWalsh's story of the two little stars? or something like that. I imagine you've all read it; it helped me alot at a time when I really needed it (as did this). Most important anti-hacking stuff -: VERY IMPORTANT there's one other thing...to check if you have ports open that can be hacked, go to www.grc.com (gibson research) he has free tests which take seconds but will tell you if your ports are open and can be entered by hackers...then he has something you run that will close them. WOW - a hard drive. That's expensive. And to rebuild from scratch. I think I'd sit down and cry. I also had McAfee and Lavaware but found they screwed up my computer so I gave them up.. And even Norton which is supposed to be so wonderful wasn't...it let viruses in. And you all know what GhostSurf did to my computer... To do Bill Clinton's chart I had to start from scratch...all the political stuff gone. {: (pouting) So those freebies have done more than NOrton and McAfee which I paid for. Especially Sygate free personal firewall. I recommend it to all. Before Sally got disconnected she told me Morgana is next up writing a column , and then I am writing a similar column to Morgana's - Any clue on how we will get it up on AW? Posted by: Pallas18 on March 12, 2005 05:40 PM Posted by: Pallas18 on March 12, 2005 06:06 PMMore on DeLay corruption... http://mparent7777.blog-city.com/read/1127584.htm Posted by: wv on March 12, 2005 06:07 PMPallas,type it on Microsoft works, cut & paste it? We replaced a hard drive a coupla years ago- well, my son did. It saves alot of money going that route & isn't too hard. Anyway, ya'll check this out: Converging U.S. Navy Aircraft Carrier Groups In Middle East Send Strong Message To Iran And Syria Sudhir Chadda The U.S. Navy aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt is on the move in Atlantic Ocean and is possibly headed towards the Mediterranean Sea. The convergence of three carrier groups in the corridor of the Middle East will send very strong message to the Syrians and Iranians. There are indications that soon US is moving two more aircraft carrier battle groups to the Eastern Mediterranean Sea and the Persian Gulf. This will spell a formidable strike force for Iran and Syria who are in defiance on issues of Lebanon and Nuclear weapons development. Outbound from Singapore, the USS Carl Vinson is currently crossing the Indian Ocean headed towards Middle-East. This will be the first time since February 2004 that US will have three major carrier groups stationed on and around Middle East. Each of these carrier groups carry nearly 85 aircrafts and is capable of deliver precision-guided munitions. In addition there are anti-submarine aircrafts, airborne-early-warning and rotary-wing aircrafts. Because in the air refueling capabilities these aircrafts can operate from a long distance. The carrier groups are independent and can operate indefinitely. link:http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_international&Number=293445271#Post293445271 Posted by: Peg on March 12, 2005 06:11 PMWV, What I don't deal well with is the attitude that it's okay to kill women and children and innocent males, because they're of color, or non Christian or because IT'S FRIGGING TUESDAY. That enrages me. And no amount of psychodynamics is going to keep the rage away. And I am thankful that I am enraged. It seems to me that this country has gone BONKERS, NUTS --- flatout raving mad... at least a huge majority of them. Like monkeys, they "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" --- they need a mirror! Not a funhouse one, all distorted, like they one they have. Enough has happened under this fascist regime to incite 100 revolutions and not a single thing has happened to impede their agenda. I can only conclude that most like what they have. I'll take my rage any day over their 'everything is beautiful' denial. Posted by: Jo on March 12, 2005 06:24 PMThere was always an alternative view to WAR after 9/11... in fact statistics proved that local police have done MORE to capture terrorists than all of *'s destructiveness. http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Mar05/Engelhardt0311.htm And dKos has diary on another report of abuse/torture --- this time in Afghanistan. But torture by US military is so... yesterday. right? http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/12/12927/2695 The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: two warships heading toward the Middle East is NOT good news. That bastid is getting ready to attack. After he has said (and we all know anything he says is to be taken as the opposite will be true) he and the Europeans are negotiating. And NOT ONE WORD from our regular media. That's the outrage. Posted by: Pallas18 on March 12, 2005 07:48 PMPallas, Remember this article from TBR re war with Iran? http://tbrnews.org/Archives/a1349.htm Here's link about the carriers moving toward ME [reads like a PR piece]
The whistleblower from Haliburton http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/printer_031105A.shtml Posted by: wv on March 12, 2005 09:47 PMGeorgia Democrats Walk Out to Protest Weakening of Voting Rights
America's New Nationalism from The American Conservative Magazine... http://www.amconmag.com/2005_03_14/print/articleprint3.html Posted by: wv on March 12, 2005 10:08 PMWhy the US must get out of Iraq, Pronto by a retired US General (pseudonym) http://www.corvusworld.com/getoutnow.htm Posted by: wv on March 12, 2005 10:42 PMHah! I'm with you, Jo... I'm absolutely offended at USian criminal behaviors with no amount of merry/airy new age country blue/pink mice able to wipe it away... nor do I want it so. Stupid millions more on this piece of real estate called US need to be offended... explosively offended! Posted by: JoannaOregon on March 12, 2005 10:54 PMWe Beat Prisoners to Death, Says U.S. Army Senator Robert Byrd | A Cry for Freedom in the U.S. Senate Europe and U.S. Agree on Carrot-and-Stick Approach to Iran Fraud and Chaos in U.S. Rebuilding of Iraq U.S. Played Big Role in Ukraine's Orange Revolution BBC Apologizes to Israel for Uncensored Vanunu Interview Noam Chomsky | Elections Run by Same Guys Who Sell Toothpaste Hearing on Bolton gets delayed (until April), thanks to opposition from around the country to his nomination... let's keep the opposition going and make sure he does not get confirmed. http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/000363.html It's obvious to me Dems and Progressives are going to have to hold the feet of the Congressional Delegations and the Dem Caucus to the fire on every single thing coming up. Posted by: Jo on March 13, 2005 12:01 AM http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?columnsName=miv Molly Ivins AUSTIN, Texas -- I must confess, I have sadly underestimated the Bush administration's sense of humor. Appointing John Bolton ambassador to the United Nations: boffo! What a laff riot! Hilarious comedy, a delicious romp, great setup for a sit-com. Bolton is known for being arrogant, humorless, self-righteous and confrontational, and he hates the United Nations. In other words, the perfect diplomat. Speaking of setups, would the joke be half as good if President Bush hadn't just returned from a tour of Europe during which he assured our allies he was anxious to improve international cooperation? There, he was promising Europeans old and new that we'd turned a new page, we want nothing more than consultation, cooperation, being buddy-buddy. And then he names Bolton ambassador (oh, ha ha) to the United Nations (ha, ha, ha). Bolton keeps a bronzed grenade in his office to show how proud he is of being called a bomb-thrower. Bolton himself has said, "I don't do carrots." Meaning he's strictly a stick guy. Intimidation, bullying, threats. The hawk's hawk, the neo-con's darling. This is a single-digit salute to the United Nations. Bolton's contempt for the United Nations is notorious and could not be clearer. Bolton said: "There is no United Nations. ... When the United States leads, the United Nations will follow. When it suits our interests to do so, we will do so. When it does not suit our interests, we will not." Let's hear it for international consultation and consideration for everyone. More.... Posted by: Pat C on March 13, 2005 01:18 AMAmy Goodman's interview of Juan Cole and Osama Siblani is well worth reading for a reality check on whats up in Lebanon. http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/111449249 Posted by: Pat C on March 13, 2005 04:03 AMhttp://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/11/1449249 Posted by: Pat C on March 13, 2005 04:06 AMEight dead in US Church massacre http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4344359.stm A Kossack has put together an excellent diary of upcoming Senate bills Repugs are going to ram through... he has posted the names and tel numbers of members of the committee bringing the bill and a description of same. There's a wealth of info in the comments by other Kossacks, so here's the link, if you want to call your Senators. Senate Bills We Should Be Watching http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/12/171159/909 Posted by: Jo on March 13, 2005 12:48 PMThank you Jo. That's really helpful. 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During the Senate debate on the Budget Resolution, Senators Smith (R-OR) and Bingaman (D-NM) will offer an amendment to strike the Medicaid cuts and to create a Medicaid Commission that would review the Medicaid program and make recommendations to Congress about necessary changes to the program. CALL BOTH OF YOUR SENATORS TODAY! Tell Them: Vote YES on the Smith-Bingaman amendment to strike the Medicaid cuts. Medicaid must not be cut because it provides essential coverage for health and long term care for people with Alzheimer’s. Many people with Alzheimer’s disease need help with their health care and long term care expenses. CALL TOLL FREE: 1-800-828-0498 This number links you with the Senate switchboard. Request to speak to your Senators. Posted by: Pat C on March 13, 2005 06:10 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-03-13-poll-govt-secrecy_x.htm?cs Posted by: wv on March 13, 2005 06:14 PM
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/ Posted by: wv on March 13, 2005 06:27 PM
The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Common Cause, and they are urging people to call members of the Senate Ethics Committee and demand an investigation of charges against Tom Delay. I'm posting the whole email below, with relevant phone numbers. We told you Tuesday about new alleged ethics violations raised against House Majority Leader Tom DeLay involving an expensive foreign junket taken by DeLay and his wife and allegedly paid for by a lobbyist, a clear violation of House rules. But in the last 48 hours another serious allegation has emerged implicating DeLay. This one involves a delegation of Republican House members, including DeLay, accepting an expense-paid trip to South Korea in 2001 from a registered foreign service agent, despite House Rules that bar the acceptance of travel expenses from foreign agents. The allegations reported this morning by The Washington Post were serious enough to prompt, Jan W. Baran, a highly respected former Republican National Committee lawyer to call the trip "a problem," and say that this is a situation that will likely trigger an investigation by the Ethics Committee. We need to keep strenuously lobbying the Ethics Committee members to make sure they launch that investigation. You have already been calling them since Tuesday, when we sent our last email to you about DeLay, and we know that they are feeling the pressure of your calls. Please keep them up. We also want you to call Republican congressional leadership offices. Please tell them that the Ethics Committee has an obligation to look into the allegations that have been raised, and that as leaders, they must make sure that happens: * Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-IL): 202-225-2976 * Rep. Roy Blunt (R-MO), Majority Whip: 202-225-6536 * Rep. Eric J. Cantor (R-VA), Deputy Majority Whip: 202-225-2815 * Rep. Deborah Pryce (R-OH), Conference Chair: 202-225-2015 * Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA), Conference Vice-Chair: 202-225-5831 * Rep. John T. Doolitte (R-CA), Conference Secretary: 202-225-2511 * Rep. John Shadegg (R-AZ), Policy Chairman: 202-225-3361 * Rep. Tom Reynolds (R-NY), Chair, National Republican Congressional Committee: 202-225-5265 The members listed above who make up the Republican leadership are accountable to all Americans, not just the citizens who live in their districts. The same is true for Ethics Committee members - they may not be your representatives in Congress, but as a citizen concerned about the ethical behavior of Congress, they are accountable to you. Please forward this email to as many family members, friends, and colleagues as you can by clicking on the link below this email. Let us know how your calls are going by posting on our blog . Make sure to check our blog and our website, as we will keep you updated as there are further developments. Thank you again for all you do for Common Cause. Sincerely, Chellie Pingree President & CEO, Common Cause So, here's a way to help Wake Up America! Ohhhhh, noooooo!!!! China's President Tells Army to Be Prepared for War as Parliament Prepares to Pass Anti-Secession Law Aimed at Taiwan http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0314/p11s01-woeu.html Anne Frank flat: a new home for refugee writers From Norma: Rolling Stone has an extraordinary article about the battle of Fallujah, replete with extensive interviews with a handful of young American participants. I initially didn't even bother reading it, figuring it would be a thinly-veiled rah-rah piece about The Army Of One. Turns out it's a journalistic microcosm of the Iraq War itself - brash, infuriating, and way more complex than the US media is telling us. This passage in particular really pissed me off when I read it. There are two different accounts of what happened on the morning of November 13th. The battalion commanders state that the soldiers' mission was to provide security for an Army reconnaissance team, blocking any insurgents who might want to circle back and attack the troops from behind. The soldiers believe their primary mission was to serve as escort and, to a degree, as subjects for CNN. While another platoon continued to clear buildings, Bandy's took CNN to a house in which they'd found a large weapons cache, pointing out where one soldier had killed a fighter just moments before he ambushed them with a grenade. Alvey, who is charismatic in front of a camera, was one of the stars. "It was straight Hollywood," says Bentley, who like most of the men felt as if he was on a "baby-sitting" mission. "They got their camera crews and they're setting up and shit, and they're fucking choreographing his fucking speech and shit -- " ("They got pissed because I kept saying, 'Fuckin' haj,' " Alvey says) " -- and everyone's like, 'What the fuck are we doing?' " Well worth a read. ***SALLY AND OUR AW WIZARDS ARE SOOO SMART*** http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=619248 MPs urge Bar Council to investigate advice on war
------------------------ keep in mind that blair is one of those late cardinal signs that sally and other prescient gazers have told us about. it seems that little tony sent his attorney general and foreign secretary (no guido, this isn't a french female escort agency) to parlaiment before the war. they asserted that the legal advise given the PM, our late cardinal tony, was just one page. well, it wasn't. clair short, kicked out of tony blair's cabinet because she oppoeded the war, trapped blair in to making the 1 page claim (she knew this was wong). now bunnypants blair, his chief lawyer, and his foreign secretary are all on record as lying about this. what does it mean? they lied about the legal opinion on going to war. the 1 pager said, have at it. the 13 pager said, well, we may have some problems with international law. the heart of the issue is, parlaiment was told that the legal analysis was 1 page. there was a 13 page analysis which existed at the time they were told it was 1 page. now, somebody or several will GO DOWN for the lie. t'is a pitty, poor boys, 'thank you sir, may i have another' (no Mr. "Gannon", you may not). (((((((((((((((((((((((cheerio)))))))))))))))))))))) Posted by: mike on March 14, 2005 12:52 AMShylurker, i've purchaset a $50.00 GrayHound 'go anywhere pass' for guido and sent him in your direction. he was instructed to stay away for about a month. i trust you can accomodate him but that's up to you. good luck Posted by: mike on March 14, 2005 12:54 AMBest news all decade, Mike... Going down, Phony Tony? Here, take the express elevator! Going, going, gone.... Posted by: Jo on March 14, 2005 01:27 AMOK, Mr. Mike, I'll get the guest suite under the bed prepared for him. As you know, the only spirits we serve our spirits here is the best French wine that fantasy can buy. We'll also have harp music and gentle lilac-scented breezes wafting about, to keep him calm and encourage him back into deep meditation. Ouida May sends her best. PS I'm scared you-know-what-less about the China thing. What's up with that? Posted by: shylurker on March 14, 2005 01:29 AMYes, Jo, and do encourage Tony to take the Shubbery and the rest of the whortoculturists with him, too! Posted by: shylurker on March 14, 2005 01:31 AM* next? Turning Chinese The February payroll jobs figures released last Friday by the Bureau of Labor Statistics show a continuation of America's descent into a third world service economy. The Bush administration cheered the creation of 229,000 private sector jobs (which still leaves Bush with a net private sector job loss during his reign). However, once we look at the details, the joy vanishes: 174,000 of the jobs, or 76% of the total, are in nontradable services. Administrative and waste services (largely temporary help and employment services) account for 61,000 or 35% of the new service jobs. The remainder are accounted for by construction (30,000), retail trade (30,000), healthcare and social assistance (27,000), and waitresses and bar tenders (27,000). The US has apparently lost the ability to create high productivity, high value-added jobs in tradable goods and services. The ladders of upward mobility are being dismantled by offshore production for home markets and outsourcing of knowledge jobs. http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts03102005.html Posted by: Jo on March 14, 2005 01:33 AMShylurker! Kindred Spirit ~ how are you doing this fine day? How's life treating you? I'll have some of that wine! Hey Jo! Wazzup!! Dommael, younger brother! How are you? Been communing lately with Mt. St. Helens? I watch her on the video cam. Visited with her about five minutes before she blew. Darn, if only I'd signed on five minutes later. Yep, the finest wine and (for you) all you can drink--and still drive home safely, of course. Posted by: shylurker on March 14, 2005 01:45 AMHiya Dommael, Please check in more often, let us know how you are... Shylurker, You'll need to order more wine, the really fine stuff... I suspect we'll have something to celebrate soon. [as goes Phony Tony, so goes *!] Posted by: Jo on March 14, 2005 02:13 AMHey guys --- look at this: Secret FBI report doubts al-Qa'ida can stage 9/11-type strikes in US A secret FBI report has cast doubt on al-Qa'ida's ability to stage another "spectacular" attack in the US, three and a half years after the 9/11 suicide hijackings and a year after the Madrid bombings, the network's only other major strike in the West. While the desire of the al-Qa'ida leadership to attack the US was "not in question", the report said, "their capability to do so is unclear, particularly in regard to 'spectacular' operations". Contrary to statements by prosecutors and the FBI's own chief, Robert Mueller, the February report, obtained last week by ABC News, says the agency knows of no al-Qa'ida "sleeper" agents in the US. http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=619543 Posted by: Jo on March 14, 2005 02:35 AMNow y'all know this question is coming from me... "If al-qaeda cannot produce, according to CIA, a 9/11 incident at this point in time... how could they have produced it in 2001?" Just a thought --- from a skeptic, who never believed the 'official story'... Posted by: Jo on March 14, 2005 02:38 AMshylurker, I would say this is all part of China's long term plan. Posted by: Pat C on March 14, 2005 02:39 AMshylurker, I would say this is all part of China's long term plan. Posted by: Pat C on March 14, 2005 02:40 AMIran demands more US concessions Funny, I thought we didn't negotiate with "them terr'ists"? What's this all about anyway? Posted by: NEOBuckeye on March 14, 2005 02:45 AMChina, hmmm... here is an instructive story. in the 1980's i was sent to japan on consultation for an information network they were developing with the my employer. i met their 'elite' and they thought i was pretty 'l33T' too because of a story planted (without my knowledge) that i had invented such and such (not true but very helpful). the entire couple of months, i had to endure the most intense, yet polite, condescension. basically, the message was, you americans are finished, you're weak, you're stupid, we will rule soon, you will be our lackeys. i didn't mind because anyone who treats me like that can kiss my ... at any rate, look at japan, cohesive society, well educated, equitable...yet they are NOT crushing us. they're having trouble. now we have china. they have a few good years and start beating their chests like professional wrestlers (e.g., rick flair), telling us how much we suck, firing unarmed missles across taiwan to make a point, touting their wonderful society. unlike japan, their society is no peach. they have no labor laws, slave/child labor, pandemic corruption by politicians, and pollution galore. they are also pushing the envelop on global warming with their development, even though they are literally toast if the full effects of global warming come about. they know that any nuclear war will result in their total destruction and unlike some of our little buddies around the world, they're not into martyrdom. don't worry too much about their army, it's weak. don't worry about them cashing in their t-bills. we're their biggest customer and they'd go broke without it. just worry about them when their coastal cities are flooded or become cess pools for diseases. india, a much nicer country, is taking the same attitude toward us...we're morons, etc. etc. they're in the same box with global warming. hopefully as a much more rational political system, india can lead on this issue. that's hopefully, but i doubt it. i'm expecting a visit by Zoltar from Planet 9 who will provide us with a most userful document to end our troubles entitled "Serving Man." Posted by: mike on March 14, 2005 03:29 AMMike, There were many stories about the Japanese execs looking down upon the caucasion hired flunky execs when they took over automotive factories here in the US. Their disdain for the West is long standing as is their arrogance in relation to their belief that they are superior. Don't count on China being weak, financially or military strength or that they believe they will be annihilated in an atomic war...just the opposite. They have long believed they have so many people that they will be the survivors. And I've thought for a long time that when they think the time is appropriate, that the US has exhausted its resources in the Middle East,and when they've had enough of us mucking around in the ME, that they'll march down out of their borders and take over the area....as well as the oil. It wouldn't be the first time. Posted by: Pallas on March 14, 2005 05:43 AMJust to be flippant for a moment:Anyone else notice the similarities getween the Bush administration and the Borg?'Resistance is futile! You will be assimilated into the New World Corporate Order!'On a serious ending note, the Bush administration has just declared war on everyone else in space. I'm beginning to wonder if these clowns aren't rogue Scientologists who took L. 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