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SHEPHERDS AND PEACEMAKERS Feb 8 , 2005 by Pallas18

February 8 was a a historic day for Israel, for Palestine, and possibly for the world.

The two protagonists. Sharon and Abbas faced off - on either side of a conference table, accompanied by Middle East Kings and Presidents and aides seated on each side. They agreed to stop killing. each others' peoples. The undeclared war called an "intifada" had killed a known 4700 men, women, and children in the past four years.

While the world took a deep breath and slowly exhaled at this news, the terrorist organization Hamas announced its disagreement with the leaders of the four countries and to continue their war of death to innocent civilians (violent Pluto conjunct Mars in the 6th sextile the South Node in the 4th).These are the people who bomb weddings and restaurants, bus stops and school buses and cars, and send Palestinian children who haven't reached their teens yet, wearing bomb belts, into Israeli checkpoints. If they have made any point it is that life even of children has no value to them.


Early reports of the meeting were that the mood was jovial and smiling and there was even laughter. Later reports were that the two hour meeting between Abbas and Sharon was very serious and business like. Much will depend on whether Mr. Abbas can control Hamas and stop those Palestinians who are determined to continue killing.

The first AP report of the accomplishments of the meeting came at 8:30 AM Eastern Time on September 8 2005. Since Egypt and Israel are 7 hours ahead at EETime, that time in Israel would have been 3:30 in the afternoon .Sharon made his speech after the two hour meeting beginning at about 3:30 PM. News reports show a picture of Sharon and Abbas shaking hands over the conference table, but no time is given.

The first time Sharon was in Sharm El Sheik he was there as a victorious conquering soldier when the city was captured during the Sinai war in 1956. Forty Nine years later, at a 7th Saturn cycle the soldier offers to give back what he took .

Relative to Jewish history, how ironic that Sharon the sheep shepherd became a general and then leader of his country.

Déjà vu.

David, the shepherd boy who slew the giant and became King of his country, revisited.

Sharon identifies with the shepherds as illustrated by a conversation he had with one of the Palestinian aides. When Sharon found out the man was also a sheep shepherd, he told him "If you are a sheep shepherd, then you can't be all bad" .

Allowing time for niceties and the reported invitations offered by Sharon that Mubarak and Abbas visit Sharon at his sheep ranch in Israel, I am using the time of 3 PM EET at Sharm El Sheik, Egypt for the historic agreement and handshake taking place.

The chart is drawn for Sharm El Sheik, Egypt, 3 PM EET -2:00, 27 N 51, 34 E 16, Tropical Placidus.


MC 8 Aries
Ascendant 18 Cancer with Saturn rising 21 Cancer Rx
IC 8 Libra and the Star of Vindemiatrix with Jupiter conjunct South Node in the 4th house.
5 planets in Aquarius

It's an unusual chart .
Saturn is rising and is the ruler of the 7th. The seriousness and cautiousness is apparent on both sides - and yet they are each other. Perhaps for the first time each could see and understand the other side through Saturn both being in the Ascendant and the ruler of the partner-opponent . Saturn and Capricorn is the earth, the land, and Cancer rising is the same: home, roots. At the same time that this charts exhibits understanding of each other, all of the Saturnian tone could bog the participants down in the past, the waaay distant and Karmic past.

Nevertheless, Jupiter in the 4th squares the 18 Cancer Ascendant and Saturn rising showing a generosity exhibited in this meeting…a generosity of land, even though it means a loss of the same with the conjunction of Jupiter to the South Node in Libra. Yet both Jupiter and the South Node in the 4th house are in Libra, indicating the generosity and loss is in the spirit of peace and harmony.

The long Karmic pain over homes and land (Chiron conjuncts Venus in the 7th ruling the 4th house )lingers as Saturn opposes Chiron in the 7th . Exchange of lands, moving and changing lands was spoken of in this meeting (Venus conjunct the Moon in the 7th.)

Once past the Chiron wound, and with the discussion of the land "changing" (Venus conjunct the Moon trined by Jupiter) it would seem apparent that the mood of the meeting became warm and hopeful (Venus,Moon,Neptune) and a meeting of the minds of both sides took place, and both easily understood, intuited without much further conversation, the road they would follow ( Moon conj Neptune, Neptune conj Mercury, Mercury conj the Sun all trine Jupiter)..

Truly with 5 planets in Aquarius in the 7th and 8th houses this is a serious humanitarian effort .

One fly in the ointment of this chart is that Saturn rising is in Sesquiquadrate to Uranus in the 8th. , which may be indicative of a sudden sharp and shocking loss of one of the participants, further indicated by Vindemiatrix, the Star of Widowhood on the 4th house Cusp.

Another annoyance is the resistance of the terrorists indicated by Pluto Mars (hidden army) in the 6th. The Pluto/ Mars is semisquare Chiron in Capricorn. They just don't want to let go of the old wounds. And underhandedly will continue to try to urge more hatred and violent actions especially in the young. Some of it they will succeed at, and some they won't. Many of the young people will be pleased with this transformation ( Pluto trining the 10th house North Node) not only for themselves but for their own children.(Pluto rules the 5th house)

This chart says this agreement has a good chance of success if it is not derailed by the death of one of the participants .
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From AP:

"Meeting in an Egyptian resort following a new US peace push in the region, Sharon and Abbas said it was time to end the cycle of violence which has claimed some 4,700 lives.

"We have agreed with the prime minister to cease all acts of violence against Israelis and against Palestinians wherever they are," Abbas declared at the summit in Sharm el-Sheikh on the palm-fringed shores of the Red Sea."The calm that is currently prevailing in our territories signals the start of a new era, the start of a hopeful peace," he added.

Sharon, in Egypt for the first time as prime minister, said he was ordering a complete cessation to military activities against Palestinians."We have an opportunity to turn our back on the bloody path imposed on us over the last four years," he said. But he cautioned that it was a "fragile opportunity" for peace, saying there were still "extremists" waiting to derail the process.

The Islamist militant movement Hamas, responsible for the majority of attacks during the intifada, dampened some of the optimism by declaring that it was not bound by the ceasefire announcement.Abbas's declaration "expresses only the position of the Palestinian Authority. It does not express the position of the Palestinian movements," said Hamas spokesman Mushir al-Masri.

The meeting between the two leaders was the first top-level summit in more than four years, putting the seal on a growing rapprochement which began with the death of Sharon's old enemy Yasser Arafat on November 11.

Sharon's spokesman Raanan Gissin revealed the premier had even invited Abbas to his farm in the Negev desert although there was no confirmation the invitation had been accepted.The two men were pictured shaking hands amid a generally jovial atmosphere at a summit hosted by Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and also attended by Jordan's King Abdullah II.

And despite the optimism generated by their meeting, Sharon and Abbas steered clear of some of the most contentious issues, such as the final borders of any future Palestinian state and the status of Palestinian refugees.But another sign that a new era in the Middle East is emerging came as Egypt's Foreign Minister Ahmed Abul Gheit announced that Jordan and Egypt would be returning their ambassadors to the Jewish state in a couple of weeks.Egypt withdrew its ambassador from Tel Aviv shortly after the outbreak of the uprising in September 2000 while Jordan did not replace a departing ambassador in protest at Israel's use of "exessive force" against Palestinians.

Sharon also confirmed that Israel would soon release hundreds of Palestinian prisoners. Negotiators have already reached a tentative agreement for the release of some 900 detainees.Despite the optimism, Sharon said: "We must move forward cautiously. This is a very fragile opportunity, one that the extremists will want to exploit. They want to close the window of opportunity for us and allow our two peoples to drown in their blood." He said if the two sides did not act now, the extremists "may be successful in their scheme."

Sharon used diplomatic language to articulate one of his major concerns, that the Palestinian cease-fire - born of an intra-Palestinian agreement and not active steps to dismantle terrorism - might only be temporary. "We must all make a commitment not to agree to a temporary solution, not to allow violence to raise its head, but to act together, determinedly, to dismantle the terrorist infrastructure, to disarm and subdue it once and for all. Only by crushing terror and violence will we build peace," he said. In addition to declaring that Israel would cease all military activities against the Palestinians, Sharon announced what had already been agreed upon - the release of "hundreds" of prisoners and the establishment of a joint committee to explore future releases and the process of transferring security responsibility for Palestinian cities to the PA.

"A new opportunity for peace is born today in the city of peace. Let's pledge to protect it," Abbas said. "
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My reading of the peace meeting efforts seems accurate. The Hamas and Hezbollah and Israeli extremists will try to continue......but since it is Mars in a sextile, an opportunity for disruptions, I think their activities are diminished rather than a sure fly in the ointment.

What is more problematical is the safety of Abbas and Sharon. Abbas has taken the brave steps of firing police and generals who are allowing the Palestinians to continue attacks.

Latest reports out of Israel and Palestine are as Abbas takes action against violators of the peace in Palestine, the atmosphere in Israel is said to be as dangerous as it was when Israeli P.M Rabin was assassinated. Sharon and Israeli Ministers are receiving open death threats from the most right wing Israeli extremists who, just as their extremists counterparts in the Arab world, want to continue the cycle of violence and war.

With Saturn sesquiquadrate Uranus, a sudden sharp loss, if eitherof the two peacemakers disappear from this peace initiative, it could mean the upset and failure of this peace initiative.

"Officials: Abbas Fires Gaza Commanders"
Thursday, February 10, 2005 12:30 PM EST The Associated Press
By JOSEF FEDERMAN

"Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas fired top Gaza security commanders Thursday, Palestinian officials said, hours after militants fired dozens of mortar shells and homemade rockets at Jewish settlements there, breaking a 2-day-old cease-fire.

An official said on condition of anonymity that Abbas dismissed chief of public security Brig. Gen. Abdel Razek Majaidie, police chief Saeb al-Ajed, three other senior commanders and several lower-ranking officers.

Palestinian Cabinet Secretary Hassan Abu Libdeh said Abbas took "punitive measures against officers who did not undertake their responsibilities, which led to the latest developments in Gaza," dismissing several commanders and accepting the resignations of others.

The dismissals came hours after Abbas ordered security forces to stop militants from firing mortars and rockets at Jewish settlements in Gaza. Despite a cease-fire declared Tuesday, Hamas militants launched more than 30 mortars and rockets at settlements Thursday, causing no casualties or damage.

Militants also stormed a prison in Gaza, freeing Hamas suspects.

"These are very dangerous developments, and they violate the legitimacy of the Palestinian Authority," Abu Libdeh said. "No one can continue with these violations."

Abbas is committed to reforming the competing and overlapping Palestinian security forces. Last month, he ordered that more than 1,000 veteran officers be retired.

The flare-up in violence, which has included the fatal shootings of two Palestinians, has presented the first serious test to the truce declared by the Israeli and Palestinian leaders this week. Abbas will go to Gaza on Friday to tell militants he will not tolerate violations of the cease-fire, Abu Libdeh said.

Israel, which has linked further progress in peace talks to Abbas' ability to control militants, called for an immediate end to the violence.

In a potentially significant concession, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon signaled in a newspaper interview Thursday that he was ready to release large numbers of Palestinian prisoners involved in deadly attacks if militants halt violence during Israel's planned withdrawal from the Gaza Strip this summer.

Sharon said Abbas stressed during their recent summit in Egypt that the release of long-serving prisoners was a top priority.

"He (Abbas) told me simply that it is a major problem," Sharon told the Haaretz daily.

In the past, Israel refused to release those involved in deadly attacks.

A senior Israeli official said on condition of anonymity that Sharon would consider the release of prisoners "with blood on their hands" on an individual basis.

The newspaper quoted Sharon as saying he told Abbas that if the Gaza withdrawal proceeds smoothly, he would release larger numbers of Palestinians involved in attacks. Israel fears that militants will fire on Israeli troops and Jewish settlers during the withdrawal to portray it as a retreat under fire.

Abbas has deployed thousands of Palestinian troops throughout the Gaza Strip to prevent attacks on Israeli targets. Israel has responded with a series of gestures, including a planned military pullback from five West Bank towns in the next three weeks.

However, the cease-fire remains fragile.

Early Thursday, Hamas militants said they fired 36 mortar shells and 20 homemade rockets at the Jewish settlements of Neve Dekalim and Gedid in the Gaza Strip. Hours later, three more mortars landed in Gedid.

Palestinian security officials said on condition of anonymity that the rockets were fired from areas they were not permitted to patrol.

Sharon's office called Egyptian, American and Palestinian officials on Thursday to express concern about the fresh violence.

"We informed them we expect the Palestinians to act immediately against these attacks," said Sharon aide Asaf Shariv.

Hamas claimed responsibility for the mortar attacks, saying it was avenging the deaths of two Palestinians on Wednesday. One, a Hamas activist, was killed while handling explosives. The second, apparently a civilian, was killed by Israeli troops while approaching a Jewish settlement in southern Gaza.

In the West Bank, meanwhile, Israeli troops killed a Palestinian motorist who sped through a roadblock near a Jewish settlement. The army said the man was driving a stolen vehicle.

Both Israeli and Palestinian officials Thursday accused the Lebanese guerrilla group Hezbollah of being behind the Gaza barrage in an effort to disrupt the truce.

"We know that orders have been issued from Lebanon for some parties to continue and not accept what happened" in Egypt, a senior Palestinian official said on condition of anonymity.

Palestinian security officials said Abbas dispatched an envoy to Lebanon this week to urge Hezbollah to halt attacks. Hezbollah spokesman Mohammed Afif denied Wednesday that the group was trying to disrupt the calm.

In another development Thursday, Israel said it opened a main crossing point with the Gaza Strip, though only a handful of Palestinians were able to use it because of a bureaucratic mix-up.

A military spokesman said as many as 1,000 Palestinian workers were expected to pass through the Erez crossing, but the failure of Israeli employers to provide necessary paperwork limited the total to about 20.

Before violence erupted four years ago, more than 100,000 Palestinians crossed into Israel every day to work, providing a key source of income for poverty-stricken areas.

Also Thursday, a Gaza settlement leader said 150 of the community's 310 families signed a declaration saying they were ready to move to Israel.
Nahum Haddad, a member of the Nissanit town council, said residents were prepared to leave after parliament officially approved the evacuation _ expected later this month. The remaining families were expected to sign on during the next several days, he said.

"We are against the evacuation, but if it goes through then we want leave in an orderly way and stay together," Haddad said.

Settler leaders have voiced strong opposition to the withdrawal plan, which would uproot 9,000 settlers from the Gaza Strip and four small West Bank settlements.
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By PALLAS18

Sally Cheyne McDonald on Feb 22 | Link
Comments


Opportunity for Peace???

Israel Must Be Prepared for Attack on Iran...

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=543087

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20050221-123842-3048r.htm

Posted by: wv on February 22, 2005 03:32 AM

WV - Sun Yung Moon's Washington Times? propaganda arm of the crime family?

" Tel Aviv's concerns are one reason the Bush administration in the past year has ratcheted up its rhetoric and its intelligence collection on Iran's clandestine program to build nuclear weapons, including surveillance flights by unmanned U.S. planes."

Is that right? "Tel Aviv's concerns" are why dimson named Iran as one of the axis of evil in his first inauguration speech BEFORE 9-11?

And why, after Iraq, the march on Iran was to be next which was made clear from the moment he took office?

Noooo - I'm not buying into that. Israel and the US are playing a game of - "you do it, no , you do it, no you do it, ...okay we'll do it, but we'll blame it on you."

And conjob and dumbo are "over there-over there" as Jimmy Cagney sang in Yankee Doodle Dandee, to grease the slides...to inform our former allies, look if Iran doesn't do this, we're going to do this- and to see their reactions, I'll bet...although that is not being announced.

Take note that in the Gemini Rising USA chart at this time Sun, Uranus, and Mercury on Pisces are in the 9th house of foreign and political matters during dimson's visit "over there".

Click here to play Dick Haymes " The Night That You Told Me Those Little White Lies"

http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AvZ8NX.XfavXwyI3.tQcY4oJGbgF;_ylu=X3oDMTBkamRjYTdoBHNlYwNiZ2NvbnRlbnQ-/SIG=12tkqpdhd/**http%3a//www.content.loudeye.com/scripts/hurl.exe%3fclipid=005608101010006550%26cid=600109

Iraq deja vu..."it worked once, let's do it again"

Posted by: Pallas18 on February 22, 2005 05:26 AM

Pallas18,
~Very thought provoking ~
At this moment in time the United States has a gang of fanatical religious zealots/thugs and a gaggle of equally fanatical neocons/criminals that have coupled together in an evil dance of warped ideas ~ As a result of 9/11 and skillfully using fear, Bush has grasped/been gifted with the opportunity for pushing their twisted agenda’s and Israel is the linchpin. The continued Israel/Palestinian conflict remains an important point of anger and recruitment tool for the Fundamentalists Moslem/Palestinians and US Fundamental Christians feel Israel can do no wrong because Israel is carrying out God's will and for the US Neocon’s Israel is the perfect foil/tool/excuse for their nation building/wars.

“A poisonous stew made from the extreme and evil of this world”

THE "RELIGIOUS RIGHT" AND MIDDLE EAST WAR

By no means is this below a criticism against all Fundamentalist Christians, but rather those who have moved from forecasting Armageddon to trying to bring it about. Such "believers" have become dominant among Republican leaders in Congress from Texas and Oklahoma, while politically they provide moral cover for the Israeli Lobby, which otherwise has lost much of its idealistic support.
According to them, Israeli government policies must never be criticized because Israel is doing God's will. But they do criticize any Israeli government which tries to bring peace, witness how Rabin and Barak were so attacked. These are the radical Dispensationalists. Their alliance with the Israeli Lobby is very two sided; each thinks it is using the other for its own ends. The Likud gets crucial support in the Republican Party for its West Bank occupation and settlements. The Dispensationalists get encouragement in their belief that the end of the world will come sooner. They believe that they then will go straight to Heaven without the pain of dying, while the rest of the human race, including Jews who don't convert, will soon be wiped out with great suffering. In their passion for the return of Christ, these people forsake the most fundamental Christian principles of humanity towards human beings and even Christians in the Middle East.

CONTINUED ~
http://iraqwar.org/fundamentalists.htm


~SOME FUNDAMENTALISTS ACHE FOR ARMAGEDDON~

The ties between Christian fundamentalism in the United States and Jewish fundamentalism in Israel are growing rapidly, with potentially serious consequences for U.S.-Middle East policy and for the people of that troubled region.
In 1978, Jerry Falwell traveled to Israel on a trip sponsored and paid for by the Israeli government. In 1979, the Israelis extended another free trip, during a period when Prime Minister Menachem Begin was in a rush to build Jewish settlements throughout the West Bank. The Rev. Falwell traveled the road toward the Palestinian town of Nablus and turned off the highway and stood at a cluster of prefabricated houses built by Jewish settlers. At that time, Falwell declared that God was kind to America only because "America has been kind to the Jews."

CONTINUED ~
http://iraqwar.org/fundamentalists.htm


ISRAELI~ PALESTINIAN RELATIONS ~ HOW TO GIVE PEACE ANOTHER CHANCE

If the Palestinian leadership do not recognize that that the suicide bombings were not only a "mistake" but a tragic and immoral step, that coexistence with Israel is not a short-term means to the end of eliminating Israel, and that "peace" proposals cannot include ideas like return of refugees that eliminate or defeat the other side, there will not be peace. If the Israeli leadership doesn't realize that evacuation of Gaza and some settlements in the West Bank cannot be a gimmick that will allow Israel to keep vast territories in the West Bank, or bottle up Palestinians in a tiny quasi-state, there will not be peace.

CONTINUED ~
http://www.mideastweb.org/log/archives/00000335.htm


Posted by: Starrynights/SN on February 22, 2005 07:37 AM

Here are links to pics of protests in Brussels


http://www.indymedia.be/news/2005/02/93254.php

http://www.indymedia.be/news/2005/02/93213.php

http://www.indymedia.be/news/2005/02/93226.php

Posted by: Jo on February 22, 2005 01:28 PM

The World’s Warmonger
According to the Bush administration, it is Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez’s desire to purchase weapons from Russia that threatens to destabilize the Andean region, not the $3 billion in military aid that Washington has provided to Colombia over the past five years. Likewise, in the Middle East, it is Syria’s efforts to obtain purely defensive anti-aircraft missiles that pose a threat to that region, not the $1 billion a year in U.S. military aid to Israel. And on the nuclear front, while there is no evidence that Iran is intending to build nuclear weapons, it is the regime in Tehran that is threatening to further destabilize the region, not President Bush’s apparent pledge to support any future Israeli attack against Iran.

Astoundingly, Washington is not threatening the Iranian government because it is developing nuclear weapons, but because it might develop them. This is clearly a case of the Bush administration taking its new pre-emptive strike doctrine to the extreme.


http://www.colombiajournal.org/colombia203.htm

Posted by: Jo on February 22, 2005 01:32 PM

Settlers poison Palestinian well
By Khalid Amayreh in the West Bank

Monday 21 February 2005, 17:29 Makka Time, 14:29 GMT

The latest act is the seventh of its kind in the last three years

A Palestinian village in the northern West Bank has appealed for pressure to be put on Israel to end the recurrent poisoning of their only source of water supply by Jewish settlers.

Last week, heavily armed settlers from the settlement of Yitzhar, near Nablus, vandalised and sabotaged the water supply on which the nearby village of Madama depends.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/C7359420-4A5D-4069-973F-D056B0DB543C.htm

Posted by: Jo on February 22, 2005 01:33 PM

The 9th Nuclear State?

by Praful Bidwai
North Korea has again caused shock and dismay in much of the world by declaring that it has manufactured nuclear weapons for "self-defense." It claimed it took this step because the United States' policy of "hostility" and said it was suspending its participation in the six-nation talks aimed at halting its nuclear weapons program.

Going by what is known of the two most recent breakouts from the global nonproliferation regime, India and Pakistan, it seems downright foolish to assume that a country must announce its arrival as a nuclear weapons state through a nuclear blast. India demonstrated its weapons capability 30 years ago, and Pakistan has probably had its own since the late 1980s. More importantly, Israel has never tested a nuclear weapon, nor explicitly admits it has one, but is widely believed to have 100-200 warheads, probably many more than India.

http://antiwar.com/bidwai/

Posted by: Jo on February 22, 2005 01:53 PM

Starry Nights posted:

"for the US Neocon’s Israel is the perfect foil/tool/excuse for their nation building/wars"

Yes, this is exactly what I was referring to and how I percieve what has and is occurring.

But this is the first time I have ever heard of a name for the Robertson/Falwell purveyors:
"Dispensationalists" -" The Dispensationalists get encouragement in their belief that the end of the world will come sooner. They believe that they then will go straight to Heaven without the pain of dying, while the rest of the human race, including Jews who don't convert, will soon be wiped out with great suffering. In their passion for the return of Christ, these people forsake the most fundamental Christian principles of humanity towards human beings and even Christians in the Middle East."

When the "religious right" was impeaching Clinton in 1998 and we on the "normal" left were organizing marches against them and it, I phoned a major Jewish organization, whose name I don't remember, something like the Council of Synagogues, in DC and asked them to join our protest. I was shocked and disgusted to hear that they were working with Falwell and others of that ilk, not for impeachment, but for support of Israel. (Now that I think about it, maybe that was the beginning of the Jinsa, Wolfowitz, Neocon offensive. The question occurs to me, who approached who - I lean toward the neo-cons and
Falwell & ilk, after all they were already planning and campaigning to have their own religious zealot placed in the highest seat of the land - they all were using each other).

1) " those who have moved from forecasting Armageddon to trying to bring it about. Such "believers" have become dominant among Republican leaders in Congress from Texas and Oklahoma"

2) "A Palestinian village in the northern West Bank has appealed for pressure to be put on Israel to end the recurrent poisoning of their only source of water supply by Jewish settlers.
Last week, heavily armed settlers from the settlement of Yitzhar, near Nablus, vandalised and sabotaged the water supply on which the nearby village of Madama depends.

These two groups of religious zealots, American,(which apparently includes the current administration of born-agains") zealot Israelis, plus the third group of guerilla Palestinians are the biggest threats to peace for Palestine and Israel and for the safety of Sharon and Abbas.

Posted by: Pallas18 on February 22, 2005 02:17 PM

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/21/1441204

Noam Chomsky, interviewed in Cambridge, Massachusetts, October 18, 2004. Chomsky is a professor of linguistics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the author of dozens of books, including the recent Hegemony or Survival and 9/11.

AMY GOODMAN: So what do you think needs to happen with Israel and Palestine?

NOAM CHOMSKY: Israel and Palestine? The US should join the overwhelming international consensus, which it’s been blocking for 30 years, and tell Israel it’s got to get out of the territories. There has to be a settlement on the international border, some adjustment this and that way. And then, I would hope, go on from there, if the cycle of violence gets reduced, to closer to closer integration, but that's in the longer term. That's a first step, it's feasible, and the majority of the American population is in favor of it and has been for a long time. There's almost no opposition to it in the world outside of the US and Israel. And yeah, it could be done. It's not perfect, it's not wonderful. There are plans on the table which come close, and could be fixed. What's blocking them is our refusal to do it, not the population again. The voice of the population is out of this discussion. You know what percentage of the American population thinks we should lean towards support of Israel, instead of taking a neutral position? The latest polls about a week ago, 17%. Now, a majority of the population thinks that we ought to equalize aid to Israel and Palestine, and we should deny aid to either one that refuses negotiations, which would entail denying it to Israel. That's the majority of the population. Those results are so unacceptable, the press won't report them.

AMY GOODMAN: What do you say to those who call you anti-Semitic?

NOAM CHOMSKY: Depend who they are. If they're people like the -- with a nice Jewish education like I had, I tell them to read the Bible, where the concept is invented. It was used by King Ahab, the epitome of evil in the Bible that calls the prophet Elijah -- Elijah was what we would nowadays call a dissident intellectual, like most of the prophets were, giving geo-political analysis, calling for moral behavior. He calls for Elijah, he said why you are a hater of Israel? What does that mean? You are criticizing me. I'm the king. I'm Israel. And therefore you're a hater of Israel. And that's what the concept means. If you identify the country, the people, the culture with the rulers, accept the totalitarian doctrine, then yeah, it's anti-Semitic to criticize the Israeli policy, and anti-American to criticize the American policy, and it was anti-Soviet when the dissidents criticized Russian policy. You have to accept deeply totalitarian assumptions not to laugh at this. If an Italian criticized Berlusconi and he was called anti-Italian, the people would crack up with laughter, because there’s some kind of democratic culture. The fact we don't crack up with ridicule, that notion is anti-American or anti-Israel or anti-Semitic, it tells us something about ourselves.

Posted by: Jo on February 22, 2005 02:29 PM


World Council of Churches gives nod to Israeli
divestment....

http://www.episcopalchurch.org/3577_58769_ENG_HTM.htm

Posted by: wv on February 22, 2005 02:33 PM


Getting ticht with the Bible Belt

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=540774

Posted by: wv on February 22, 2005 02:38 PM

Peace in the world used to be predicated on the Israeli-Palestinian problem.

That is no longer the case. As Jo has posted above,referring to South America,Venezuela, Columbia, this administration's efforts to destabilize any country which 1) has oil and 2) doesn't do his bidding, threatens civilization and the outbreak of war over the whole world.

When Bush attacked Iraq - many astrologers discussed whether World War 3 had started.

With Bush attacking Iran, and Russia supporting Iran, as well as France - the conflagration expands.

Then of course there's North Korea, target of Bush
bullying, which is supported by China.

The World's Warmonger.

The last time that title was obvious was in Hitler's rampage. And America saved the world.

One wonders who will have the power and the ability to save the world from this Warmonger.

Which country has the greatest army and arsenal?

Would it be China? and what would that mean for the rest of the world if China were the conqueror?

Posted by: Pallas18 on February 22, 2005 02:39 PM


The road ahead....no time for celebrations....

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=543144

Posted by: wv on February 22, 2005 02:49 PM

JO,

Sharon and Abbas are putting into action and reality the matters of which Chomsky wrote.

The world has to hold its breath, and support no interference to these two peacemakers.

Isn't it time to take a deep breath and clear the air of accusation and blame; to stop repeating the old refrains - "it's their fault, no, it's their fault".

Is there no lauding of the brave efforts of the two old warriors who are risking their lives to bring about peace?

Posted by: Pallas18 on February 22, 2005 02:49 PM

Well my head's spinning this morning. Super article, Pallas18.

My significant -- an intuitive Pisces -- has stated for some time that it will be Israel who launches the first strike in Iran opening the world to an unholy jihad. And yes, Pallas18 China will not take anyone's *hit, nor will it stand on the sideline.

The peace initiative, by the way, was being negotiated on an 8 day. What is "Fates" hand in this? I find this a little chilling.

karen

Posted by: farrout on February 22, 2005 02:57 PM

Right, Pallas,

One has to ask "who will save" the planet?

Any military effort to 'stop' US will result in 'total war' --- my mind does not even want to go there... but that is what we may be looking at with the drum beating toward Iran and Syria.

Opponents to US attacking Iran are not saying that Iran is perfect or their gov't acceptable. But pre-emptive attack on Iraq was illegal. Its precedent will not make pre-emptive attack on Iran legal --- or moral.

There are extremists... fundamentalist extremists in the Middle East. There are however fundamentalist extremists in America. 'Course they were always here, but now they have POWER. Or, the White House USES them as a ruse for gaining the hegemony they are determined to have.

Indeed, who or WHAT will stop the warmongers? Economic collapse?

Posted by: Jo on February 22, 2005 03:02 PM


Want to know what Bush thinks? Read Sharansky.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=543168

Want to know why so many hate us?

Read John Perkins'"Confessions of an Economic Hit
Man"

Posted by: wv on February 22, 2005 03:07 PM

Right WV,

All the talk about * not reading? Who did the warm fuzzy piece on * and his 'reading' of Sharansky? Can't remember, but at the time I was driving and 'heard' *'s voice (which I normally try to avoid)... the piece imo had two objectives 1) to negate all the 'propoganda' that * doesn't read... not even newspapers and 2) to put on the table that he believes Sharansky to be someone whom he admired.

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Bush and Sharansky
With yet another article on President Bush's infatuation with Natan Sharansky's The Case for Democracy, I'm beginning to think this is the only book he's ever read. This time, it's The Economist that comments on Bush's "intellectual love affair" with the former Soviet dissident. The key quote:
"There are few things that irritate foreign-policy types more about Mr Bush than his Manichean view of the world. His infatuation with Mr Sharansky suggests that he is not likely to be any more 'sophisticated' in his second term. Mr Sharansky not only sees the world in black and white terms—good versus evil and free societies versus 'fear societies', with a bunch of 'realists' dithering in the middle."

Meanwhile, from a Reuters profile of Sharansky: "To have the ear of the most powerful leader in the world after decades of having his political ideology dismissed as naive and eccentric is a pleasant change for the diminutive Ukrainian-born mathematician."

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2005/02/04/bush_and_sharansky.html

Posted by: Jo on February 22, 2005 03:17 PM

Pallas,

I cannot 'laud' what I see as a 'farce'... I cannot 'hope' that what transpired on Feb. 8th will lead to 'peace'. For me, Ariel Sharon is as dangerous as *... only difference is he has a smaller weapons arsenal. As long as Sharon and the Likkuds are in power, there will be no 'peace' between Israel and Palestine... just as there will be only war in ME as long as the Neocons control the WH and the agenda in the US.

Marjorie Orr has a chart on Sharon which I looked at over a year ago... you can find it at

http://www.star4cast.com/index2f.asp?page=home%2Easp

Ariel Sharon

ASTRO HEADLINES: Input March 04

Having survived a stressful 2003 with Pluto conjunct his Saturn, he is now facing Saturn square Jupiter April 5th to 19th which will damp his enthusiasm, creating financial cutbacks as he faces possible corruption charges. Saturn then conjuncts Pluto in late June which will make him feel trapped and blocked. His mid points through 2004 are a mix. He’ll have gung ho high confidence leading to impulsive actions with Pluto square Sun/Jupiter from late February to late April, returning in December/January 05. But with Saturn square his Sun/Moon mid point in early July his public popularity at home may wane. Neptune also conjuncts his Jupiter/Saturn midpoint from mid September to early December which will undermine his political status and career. If he survives as the Israeli leader until 2005 Uranus will cause major disruption as it conjuncts his 12th house Sun, causing psychological as well as perhaps physical problems. Saturn is also in opposition to Mars in July 2005 which is accident prone or suggests anger, frustration, perhaps injury.

SHARON & BUSH Saturn will square the composite Saturn in April 2004 suggesting together they are facing a sobering reality. Saturn then opposes Jupiter which will lower confidence between them in early June. Neptune opposes the joint Venus at 13 Scorpio ( in conjunction with Mars at 19 Scorpio) in August to mid September and December 04. This will induce panic, a sense of failure within their relationship, unclear communications, disappointment, not a recipe for pro-active joint ventures. Saturn then conjuncts Pluto from mid October to late November which suggests their relationship will feel completely blocked, inducing gloom and frustration.

Sharon & Israel
Neptune is also active in transit on this composite with a square to Mars and to Uranus in August to mid September and December. There will be a lack of trust between the leadership and the populace, a sense of confusion and disillusionment. Late June, July & August will also be standstill months with feelings of separation as Saturn squares the joint Sun, Saturn, Venus and Mercury. Late July to early October 04 Pluto squares the composite Neptune which will undermine the foundations of the relationship further, with high anxiety.

SHARON CHART:

A hidden Pisces, with an aggressive, adventurous Aries ascendant, and a fixed Taurus Moon, the Israeli leader is a complex personality. More retiring than is obvious, he likes his own company, is often self doubting to the point of depression and fearful. But a strongly placed Jupiter in Aries on his ascendant in an over confident square to Pluto makes him rash and impulsive, inclined to go on holy crusades that are not holy in the eyes of others. This streak of arrogant self righteousness is boosted by having Saturn in Sagittarius which makes him feel that his religious and intellectual views are superior to his opponents.

His reputation for brutality stems from the strong Mars in Capricorn opposition to Pluto which creates a need to control through violence if necessary. Misuse of power is often associated with this aspect. Those who carry it in their chart can be perpetrators or victims. His inflexible Taurus Moon (at 25 degrees) also sits beside the fixed star Algol, known as the demon star. It marks Medusa’s severed head and has a reputation for extreme danger and violence. [Algol is an Arabic name – “Al Ghoul” meaning evil spirit or devil].

His Moon contributes to his emotional stamina but also prevents him changing. He tends to get stuck in the past, cling with great intensity to instinctive ways of behaving and lacks the detachment to see where change is necessary. His inability to stand back far enough to gain sensible perspective is also emphasised by having only one planet in an air sign in his chart. When life forces him to let go as it periodically does, he acts in a primitive, often unconscious way that has a tendency to destroy the security he has built up around him.


Posted by: Jo on February 22, 2005 03:30 PM

I saw the headline for this article and remembered either Sally or Nancy mentioning something about a pandemic which would occur late this year or early next year:

Bird flu pandemic is possible, CDC warns

Mutated virus a 'very high threat' in coming weeks, official says

WASHINGTON - A bird flu virus may mutate to a human form that becomes as deadly as the ones that killed millions during three influenza pandemics of the 20th century.

Dr. Julie L. Gerberding, head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said Monday that scientists believe it is highly likely that the virus that has swept through bird populations in Asia will evolve into a pathogen deadly for humans.

“We are expecting more human cases over the next few weeks because this is high season for avian influenza in that part of the world,” Gerberding said in remarks at the national meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.

Although cases of human-to-human transmission have been rare, “our assessment is that this is a very high threat” based on the known history of the flu virus, she said.

72 percent mortality rate
In Asia, there have already been a number of deaths among people who caught the flu from chickens or ducks. The mortality rate is very high — about 72 percent of identified patients, said Gerberding. There also have been documented cases of this strain of flu being transferred from person-to-person, but the outbreak was not sustained, she said.

The avian flu now spreading in Asia is part of what is called the H1 family of flu viruses. It is a pathogen that is notorious in human history.

“Each time we see a new H1 antigen emerge, we experience a pandemic of influenza,” said Gerberding. In 1918, H1 appeared and millions died worldwide. In 1957, the Asian flu was an H2, and the Hong Kong flu in 1968 was a H3.
There had been small appearances of the H1-type of avian viruses in other years, but nothing like the H5 now rampaging through the birds of Asia.

“We are seeing a highly pathogenic strain of influenza virus emerge to an extraordinary proportion across the entire western component of Asia,” she said. “The reason this is so ominous is because of the evolution of flu. ... You may see the emergence of a new strain to which the human population has no immunity.”

Getting ready for next year
Study already has shown that the virus can infect cats who can then infect other cats, which Gerberding said was “another harbinger” of the possibility of a human pandemic.

“The science here is all alerting us that we have a great deal to be concerned about,” she said.

The CDC chief said her agency is getting ready for a possible pandemic next year.

A special flu team, organized last year, continues to monitor the spread of the avian flu and to analyze the strains as they appear.

The government has ordered 2 million doses of vaccine that would protect against the known strains of avian flu. Gerberding said this would give manufacturers a head start on making the shots that would be needed to combat a full-blown epidemic of an H1-type of flu in this country.

CDC is also plugged into an international communication and monitoring system that, it is hoped, will give an early warning of the emergence of a deadly new flu.

Posted by: Roderick on February 22, 2005 03:49 PM

Paul Krugman’s article for tomorrow’s NYT

The campaign against Social Security is going so badly that longtime critics of President Bush, accustomed to seeing their efforts to point out flaws in administration initiatives brushed aside, are pinching themselves. But they shouldn't relax: if the past is any guide, the Bush administration will soon change the subject back to national security.

The political landscape today reminds me of the spring of 2002, after the big revelations of corporate fraud. Then as now, the administration was on the defensive, and Democrats expected to do well in midterm elections.

Then, suddenly, it was all Iraq, all the time, and Harken Energy and Halliburton vanished from the headlines.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/22/24011/3261

Posted by: Jo on February 22, 2005 04:56 PM

Stirling Newberry, one of the best young writers on the planet today (he blogs, so you might not have even heard of him) has a magnificent piece on dKos this a.m. called "The Rise of Rove's Republic" (note the alliteration! he writes excellent prose!) Stirling's background is poli sci and econ ... so he's not chopped liver. If you don't read any of my other links today, check this out:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/22/111240/237#13

Posted by: Jo on February 22, 2005 05:04 PM

Sally,

Thanks for your answer to my query and congratulations.

It is high time that all these powercorrupted pay
for their misuse, sooner the better.The punishment
WILL catch up to these misusers astrologically and
that's the good news to look forward to.

Other news is shrub in Europe making a laughing
stock of himself. Chirac,Schroeder as they put outwardly smiling face, I'm sure they must be
laughing inside at this idiot.But have to blame rotten reds here who outnumbered the sensible blues and help shrub to steal again. Europe was
hoping the people here would throw the useless guy
out of power;they didn't realize the reds are in lock step with the NUTcase here.Now Europe knows
the whole bunch of 51 millions here are laughing
stock not just this one fella.


Posted by: Raj on February 22, 2005 05:04 PM

Sally,

Thanks for your answer to my query and congratulations.

It is high time that all these powercorrupted pay
for their misuse, sooner the better.The punishment
WILL catch up to these misusers astrologically and
that's the good news to look forward to.

Other news is shrub in Europe making a laughing
stock of himself. Chirac,Schroeder as they put outwardly smiling face, I'm sure they must be
laughing inside at this idiot.But have to blame rotten reds here who outnumbered the sensible blues and help shrub to steal again. Europe was
hoping the people here would throw the useless guy
out of power;they didn't realize the reds are in lock step with the NUTcase here.Now Europe knows
the whole bunch of 51 millions here are laughing
stock not just this one fella.


Posted by: Raj on February 22, 2005 05:13 PM

From Isabelle write up "Now that we are moving on to Iran, (April 1, 1979, 3:00 pm, Tehran) with the timing suspect, nevertheless the SR ascendant is in Scorpio at 17 degrees and that is not the best place to have an ascendant in this turbulent time. The Moon is in Sag and conjunct Pluto the ruler of the ascendant, need I say more? Considering the fact that this is an exact conjunction at 24 degrees each, even if the time is off the Moon and Pluto do connect this day, and will for the year that the charts energy manifests itself " Read the news today earthquake in iran PLUTO conjunct MOON 24 sagittarius !!!!!!!

Posted by: Janan on February 22, 2005 05:34 PM

Thoughtful article Pallas 18.
Surround the two with white light to keep them safe!

Funny insight watching the news last night! Bush & Chirac, at dinner.making smiley faces..........the music playing ......................................Beethoven's Pastoral Symphony.
Does it awaken memories, for anyone else, of cute little pastel centaurs, cavorting around, ( half cute cartoon, half horses ass) in Disney's FANTASIA?
I like to believe it was intentional programing on the part of the French!
PAt QOP

Posted by: Pat QOP on February 22, 2005 05:46 PM

Rep. Louise Slaughter is sending emails... says she STILL has no answer from the WH to FOIA requests... asking us to sign petition

http://www.democraticaction.org/propaganda/index.php?source=feb22email

Posted by: Jo on February 22, 2005 06:57 PM

Please forgive me for repeating myself (I asked this question in the previous thread), but there is something I'm very curious about and, after Googling my fingers off, I'm turning once again to the experts here on AstroWorld for guidance.

When doing Solar Arc work, does one use the Inconjunct? My understanding is that only "hard aspects" are used and the Inconjunct, to my knowledge, is considered a "hard aspect". BUT, when I asked this question in another Forum, I had my head bitten off and was told, NO, the Inconjunct is not used in SA work.

Could someone let me know if they use the Inconjunct when doing SA work? My thought is that one would, but I look forward to hearing from you guys.

Thanks. Oh! Brilliant work, Pallas. But then I'm always impressed with your writing. :-)

Posted by: Jonathan on February 22, 2005 07:07 PM

Jonathan, thank you - and

in Solar arc work you only use the major aspects - conjunct, sextile, square, trine and opposition.

Mary Shea writes in Planets in Solar Returns - "use 10 degrees orb for aspects to the Sun and the Moon, and an eight degree orb for major aspects between other planets"... those are very wide orbs for my tastes however -

The inconjunct or 150 degree aspect, "forced adjustment" and very often having to do with health matters, is not considered a major aspect - although astrologers have in recent years found it to be very important just as the Sesquiquadrate 135 degrees has now been found to be very important.

Some other astrologers may have been taught differently, and I'm sure they'll be glad to tell you their learning on the matter of which aspects they use.

Posted by: Pallas18 on February 22, 2005 07:30 PM

wv ~ Jo,
Just recently listened to an interview with Sharansky. His praise of Bush was over the top/gushing and it is said ditto for Bush. The only puzzling issue for me is I wasn’t aware Sharansky’s book had been issued on cliff notes or books on tape.

Bush read a book? His attention span can be measured in NANOSECONDS ~ Maybe they can convince some that Bush reads ~ but not me

Posted by: Starrynights/SN on February 22, 2005 07:37 PM


I just thought about it ~ Maybe Condi read Sharansky's book to Bush before she tucked him in at night and had him say his prayers

Posted by: Starrynights/SN on February 22, 2005 07:42 PM

Starrynights,
You are too funny! The visuals are killing me!

Posted by: Jo on February 22, 2005 07:54 PM


Dollar continues to fall....S. Korea to diversify

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1519&u=/afp/20050222/bs_afp/forexeurope_050222190747&printer=1

Posted by: wv on February 22, 2005 09:48 PM


Full Moon in Virgo...

http://www.astrowisdom.com/thisfullmoon.htm

Posted by: wv on February 22, 2005 10:05 PM

Thanks, wv, for posting that link to the Virgo Full Moon info. Very interesting and couldn't be (in light of my life right now) more right on! :-)

Posted by: Jonathan on February 22, 2005 10:23 PM


Harley Sorensen

Bush goes from alarmist to pollyanna with ease...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2005/02/21/hsorensen.DTL&type=printable

Posted by: wv on February 22, 2005 10:50 PM


Bill Mahar

"Is our children learing" the Bill of Rights? NO

http://www.rense.com/general63/isouor.htm

Posted by: wv on February 22, 2005 11:32 PM

There was a consumer report due out yesterday or today, but I didnt catch what it was.

Apparently it wasn't good.

In the last two days gold has gone up$12.00 and then dropped back $2.00

Two days ago it was $424 a troy ounce, today it went up to $436.30 and then dropped back to $434.70

$430 was one of those "testing" points they talk about. It is expected that if it hit $430 that it would speed to $500 an oz. in a very short time.

Low/High 427.00 - 436.30 close: $434.20

Posted by: Pallas18 on February 23, 2005 12:15 AM

~ RIP ~

"We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the whole world--a nation of bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live peacefully. We are not just Whores for power and oil, but killer whores with hate and fear in our hearts. We are human scum, and that is how history will judge us . . . No redeeming social value. Just whores. Get out of our way, or we'll kill you.

Who does vote for these dishonest shitheads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid rich kids like George Bush?

They are the same ones who wanted to have Muhammad Ali locked up for refusing to kill gooks. They speak for all that is cruel and stupid and vicious in the American character. They are the racists and hate mongers among us--they are the Ku Klux Klan. I piss down the throats of these Nazis.

And I am too old to worry about whether they like it or not. *uck them."

~Hunter S. Thompson

Posted by: Starrynights/SN on February 23, 2005 12:20 AM

I hope he didn't committ suicide over the state of the union.

Posted by: Pallas18 on February 23, 2005 12:23 AM

Some background information on
Mahmoud Abbas: Palestine's newly elected President

12-01-2005 ,

Mahmoud Abbas, also known as Abu Mazen, declared victory in this week's elections for Palestinian Authority chairman, replacing former leader Yasser Arafat, who died in November 2004.

Abbas was elected leader of Fatah after the death of Arafat. He emerged as the leading candidate to succeed Arafat as the president of the Palestinian Authority and urged Palestinians to pursue peaceful means in their uprising against Israelis and promised to renew peace talks with Israel if elected.

In March 2003, Abbas was appointed prime minister by the late President Arafat. At the 11th hour, Arafat reluctantly approved Abbas' cabinet in April, paving the way for the U.S. to restart the long-stalled peace process between Israel and the Palestinians. As prime minister, Abbas oversaw domestic matters, while Arafat handled foreign relations. Abbas enjoyed close ties with Israeli and American officials.

Before being named Prime Minister, Abbas led the PLO's Negotiations Affairs Department. He served as Prime Minister of the PA from March to October 2003 when he resigned amid a power struggle with Arafat.

He was one of the first Palestinian leaders to recognize Israel and co-wrote, with Israeli justice minister Yossi Beilin, a power-sharing plan for Jerusalem. In June 2004, Abbas and Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon agreed to begin implementing the so-called "road map to peace", but a series of suicide attacks on Israeli targets by Palestinians and the assassination of Hamas leaders by Israeli troops thwarted any real progress. Abbas resigned in September, saying Sharon and Arafat had undermined his government.

Abbas was born in 1935 in Safed, then part of the British Mandate of Palestine. After the creation of Israel in 1948 and the subsequent occupation of the rest of the former Mandate by Jordan and Egypt, Abbas left for Syria, where he taught school and graduated from the University of Damascus, before going to Egypt, where he studied law.

Abbas is one of the few surviving founder members of Fatah - the main political grouping within the PLO. Arriving in Qatar during the late 1950s, he helped recruit a group of Palestinians to the cause.

He co-founded Fatah with Arafat and accompanied him into exile in Jordan, Lebanon and Tunisia. In the early days of the movement, he became respected for his clean and simple living.

Abbas became a successful fundraiser for the PLO and took on an important security role in the early 1970s, before being appointed head of the PLO's department for national and international relations in 1980.

Subsequently, Abbas entered graduate studies at the Oriental College in Moscow, where he earned a Ph.D. in history. In 1982, Abbas wrote a doctoral dissertation, referring to so-called "Holocaust deniers", claiming secret ties between the Nazis and the Zionist movement. In 1984, a book based on Abbas' doctoral dissertation was published in Arabic by Dar Ibn Rushd publishers in Jordan. His doctoral thesis later became a book, which, following his appointment as Palestinian Prime Minister in 2003, was strongly slammed by some Jewish groups.

In his book, Abbas raised doubts that gas chambers were used for the extermination of Jews, and suggested that the number of Jews murdered in the Holocaust was "less than a million."

Widely regarded as the architect of the Oslo peace process, Abbas accompanied Arafat to the White House in 1993 to sign the Oslo Accords.

Posted by: Pallas18 on February 23, 2005 12:26 AM

Jonathan - Although you might not want to pay a lot of attention to a quincunx when using solar arc progressions, you might want to note if a quincunx is between two planets that have a strong natal aspect. For example, if you have a natal Venus Saturn opposition, and at age 27, solar arc Venus moves to a quincunx of natal Saturn, you might find that the natal Saturn Venus opposition gets triggered somewhat by the solar arc progression. OTOH, if there were no natal aspect between these two, and Venus moved to a quincunx with natal Saturn, you might find far less impact from the progression and could safely ignore it.

Posted by: Nancy on February 23, 2005 02:15 AM

Birthdata of Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud
Abbas: March 26, 1935 - solar chart, no time given, Zefat, Israel, 32 N 58, 35 E 30, EET - 2:00

The new Prime Minister of Palestine is well matched to hold his own and more with the General/
Prime Minister of Israel.

He has been no stranger to violent action as attested to by the T Square of Mars in Libra square Pluto in Cancer and Opposing Uranus in Aries. Mars is in his solar 4th house opposing Uranus in solar tenth and both squaring Pluto conjunct his solar Ascendant. This is a man who has successfully ordered youths (Jupiter in the 5th trine Pluto in the solar first) in "sudden short violent attacks" in his fight for the land from behind the scenes. The one beneficial thing about that Jupiter in the 5th trine Pluto is that it says he has the ability to control the youth of Palestine - and that ability will be paramount in the current peace attempts.

A man of few words, and words that may not always convey what he really intends is told by his Saturn conjnct Mercury in Pisces both opposed by Neptune. A nice way of putting this might be to say he is an accomplished deceiver...a very good trait for a diplomat.

His rise to his current position in life is told by the Part of Fortune conjuct his Sun at 3 and 4 Aries, the sign of the warrior.

The North Node in Capricorn in his solar seventh house says he does well in partnerships, and negotiations, as he should, since he is also a trained lawyer.

An interesting aside concerns finances. With Saturn conjunct Mercury in Pisces straddling the 8th and 9th houses and opposing Neptune in Virgo in the second, I'm reminded of the secret of where
Arafat hid the billions he siphoned off from the monies sent to Palestine for support of the people - it never went to the Palestinian people but some of it went to support Arafat's wife's luxurious life in a Paris abode. The rest is known to be hidden in Swiss bank accounts.

With these aspects, and the mutual reception of Mercury and Neptune in each other's sign, Abbas would never reveal what he knows.

His planets are as follows:

Positions of Planets
Sun 4°49' Aries
Moon 16°42' Sagitarius
Mercury 9°25' Pisces
Venus 4°50' Taurus
Mars 20°04' Libra
Jupiter 22°53' Scorpio
Saturn 4°43' Pisces
Uranus 29°55' Aries
Neptune 12°38' Virgo
Pluto 23°52' Cancer
Chiron 5°29' Gemini
Ceres 19°29' Cancer
Pallas 29°44' Taurus
Juno 5°02' Pisces
Vesta 15°25' Aquarius
Node 27°47' Capricorn
Lilith 27°46' Leo
Fortune 3°32' Aries


His aspects are as follows:

List of Aspects
Mercury Conjunction Saturn Orb +4°41'
Venus Conjunction Uranus Orb +4°55'
Mercury Opposite Neptune Orb -3°13'
Saturn Opposite Neptune Orb -7°54'
Mars Opposite Uranus Orb -9°50'
Mars Square Pluto Orb -3°47'
Moon Square Neptune Orb +4°04'
Uranus Square Pluto Orb -6°02'
Moon Square Mercury Orb -7°17'
Jupiter Trine Pluto Orb -0°58'
Venus Trine Neptune Orb +7°47'
Venus Sextile Saturn Orb +0°07'
Moon Sextile Mars Orb -3°21'
Mercury Sextile Venus Orb -4°34'
Saturn Sextile Uranus Orb -4°48'
Mars SesquiQuadrate Saturn Orb -0°21'
Mercury SesquiQuadrate Pluto Orb -0°32'
Moon SesquiQuadrate Uranus Orb -1°47'
Uranus SesquiQuadrate Neptune Orb -2°16'
Moon BiQuintile Pluto Orb -1°09'
Sun SemiSextile Venus Orb +0°01'
Sun SemiSextile Saturn Orb +0°06'

Posted by: Pallas18 on February 23, 2005 02:24 AM

Would it were, religion was the opiate of the masses. We would have a much more peaceful world (and better snacks too!).

Oy vay!!!...Great Work Pallas18, you rock.

I sympathize the the struggle of BOTH the Israelis the Palestinians, more so on paper than watching and listening to it.

The one thing that bothers me is the stupidity of the Palestinian movement. It is quite obvious that they cannot match Israel in the field of military skill and even determination. Israel's Army is one of the best the world has seen pound for pound and they are relentless; while the Palestinina movement ebbs and flows. Despite the obvioius facts, Palestinians continue to use violence. Their pathetic human bombs and attacks on shoppers, wedding guests, etc. equalize their cause with the crushing of entire villages by the Israeli Army.

Had the Palestinians just followed Ghandi or Martin Luther King, they would have raised the level of consciousness in the world another notch and had a real chance of prevailing. What would Israel do, bomb peace marches? Of course not.

It's a shame that the Turks were forced out.

Posted by: mike on February 23, 2005 02:35 AM

Michael Wolfstar at StarIQ has an interesting new
article about Negroponte.

April 8's Solar Eclipse path of total darkness passes directly over Honduras, which was one of Negroponte's most controversial assignments. If the Senate hearings register any doubts, the Solar Eclipse path suggests that his ignoring of human rights violations in Honduras may open the issue of torture to collect intelligence. At the very least, his nomination will hurt the U.S. image in Central America.
...more...
http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0006099.HTM

I hope he's right.

Posted by: Jill G on February 23, 2005 02:40 AM

(hee hee hee - haw haw - guffaw behind hand)

Chirac snub to Bush


IRAQ war wobbler Jacques Chirac scuttled George Bush’s fence-mending trip to Europe yesterday — by cranking up a row over the future of Nato.

He embraced a German-led plot to ditch the alliance as the backbone of transatlantic relations, in favour of the European Union.

He also snubbed President Bush by speaking French at a dinner, despite having fluent English.

____

Posted by: Pallas18 on February 23, 2005 04:09 AM

And this is not so funny -

we begin to see who will be aligned with whom -
the alliances for the next war...

The US is part of Nato - it is not part of the EU-
European Union.

Schroeder and Chirac are excluding dumbnuts in retaliation for his excluding them and their companies from Iraq....only this is far more serious and far-reaching...

No Nato

New EU force

Several of us have said, America will be fighting
our former allies Germany and France in the next war (among others who will align against us - yep
that boy is some uniter!)

Posted by: Pallas18 on February 23, 2005 04:13 AM

I think this article from the NEW YORKER ~ has unfortunately but accurately hit the nail right on the head ~ I don’t believe there has been/is/will be a “Scandal “ despicable enough to topple that Repulsive/Shameless Evil Lout and his gang of thugs because the fact is ~

“It won’t be because the scandals aren’t there. It’ll be because the tools to excavate them are under lock and key”.

THE NEW YORKER
THE TALK OF THE TOWN

NEWSHOUNDS

Snip ~The non-Fox cable news outlets began to pick up on it last week; MSNBC even assayed a special logo, “Gannongate.” A better name for it, though, would be “Nothinggate,” because nothing is what is likely to come of it.

Snip ~If Bush ends up having an easier time of it in his second term than any of his two-term predecessors since F.D.R., it won’t be because the scandals aren’t there. It’ll be because the tools to excavate them are under lock and key.


COMPLETE ARTICLE ~
http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/index.ssf?050228ta_talk_hertzberg

Posted by: Starrynights/SN on February 23, 2005 04:44 AM

From my perspective, all the Europeans (except perhaps mutants like Berlusconi) are politely marginalizing Bush by selling arms to China, refusing to get bellicose with Iran, and emphasizing the diminished importance of NATO, so the bottom line is Bush is now the spoilt brat whom the other kids are slowly driving crazy by ignoring his selfish unrealistic demands and petulant temper tantrums.

It should be one hell of a visit with Putin tomorrow when Bush keeps his very public promise and chides and lectures Putin about democratic values and human rights after Bush stole the last election and has been routinely torturing prisoners, and locking up people indefinitely without due process.

Posted by: Grizzly on February 23, 2005 04:57 AM

Starry Nights, I can't accept that one of the so-called scandals won't break, as Watergate did, and verifiable truth revealed. I believe we are getting closer and closer. And, that W's approval rating will continue to drop. It's in the hands of G-d and the Universe and karmic justic will be done.

The AARP had a phenomenal full page ad in the New Orleans Times Picayune today (our main paper) and I imagine it was repeated in most major cities. It was a blown up social security card that covered the entire page. It started out by saying "if the sink is broken, do you throw out all the plumbing?" (something like that). It used phrases like "don't turn social security into social insecurity," and made other well-worded & succint points. It got in there that it would cost $2 trillion. The AARP has begun to redeem themselves in my eyes. And what can the opposition manage to drum up but a picture of 2 men kissing!? Give me a break!

Then there's this from DU -

It's all about the Dollar vs. the Euro-- all the bloodshed in Iraq

and soon to be Iran and elsewhere.

http://zmagsite.zmag.org/Feb2004/sharma0204.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/5/16147/25317
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Iraq/Iraq_dollar_vs_e...
http://www.moneyweek.com/article/139/investing/currenci...

This explains A LOT. I could never fit econ courses into my college curriculum schedule but it makes sense now. I've always wondered how we could be racking up multi-trillion dollar debts with nary a peep of concern from major economists (since it was in part such debt that destroyed the British Empire after WWII). The reason is that once Nixon separated the dollar from the gold standard, Kissinger negotiated that treaty with the Saudis in the 1970s (to denominate oil sales only in dollars), with the rest of OPEC following suit. The result being of course that countries have to get dollars to buy oil and other goods, making the dollar a worldwide reserve currency and allowing the US Mint to print up dollars with virtual impunity (no inflationary spiral)-- in effect a no-interest loan, as one writer indicated.

This is how the US has been able to afford the virtual "free ride" we've had for the past couple decades, and why the Asian Central Banks have been saving our bacon. But the freebies are over b/c of the Euro. Iran has been moving in the direction of pricing its oil in Euros for a while, perhaps explaining the rush to invade. But even if Iran is taken down, Russia is moving to the Euro (at least partially), along with Libya, and Venezuela, and Indonesia, and Malaysia. There's no way, in short, that we can stop the shift to the Euro as reserve currency, what with other countries having lost their trust in us with our mounting debts. And when the shift does occur in earnest it could be ugly, a sort of vicious cycle where our debt imperils us further, decreasing the value of the dollar, and so on. Don't jump ship yet, but diversify your assets; as Sy Hersh suggested in January, take a good hard look at buying up that plot of land in Milan or in Munich.




Posted by: Sharon on February 23, 2005 06:20 AM

Sharon,

I’m wish’n an hope’n an pray’n ~ that your take on the Bush administration/scandal machine is correct and the whole evil cartel will finally have to answer for the treason, bribery and all other high crimes and misdemeanors the greedy, lying *astards have perpetuated against the people of this country and the world

~ I sure don’t want history to remind us/me that Bush was the “other one” that got away ~ along with Richard M Nixon ~ But with every branch of the government now controlled by the most extreme elements of the Republican Party and the Main Stream Media so artfully suppressed and spouting a single viewpoint ~ And hate radio/loud mouth LYING Limbaugh filling the air ways with lies/deception/hate, and the continued erosion of our civil liberties and systematic suppression of opposing views ~

At this point I gladly submit to a higher authority ~


My husband has always insisted that Bush went after Saddam/Iraq war because Saddam (oil) was paused to convert from Dollars to Euro's ~ They didn't let Saddam get away with his Dollar/Euro conversion and they aren't going to let Iran do it either ~ made complete sense when my husband first brought the theory to my attention ( at the start of the Iraq invasion) and it still makes complete sense

Pray for Peace ~

Posted by: Starrynights/SN on February 23, 2005 09:35 AM

With a Hush and a Whisper, Bush Drops Town Hall Meeting with Germans

During his trip to Germany on Wednesday, the main highlight of George W. Bush's trip was meant to be a "town hall"-style meeting with average Germans. But with the German government unwilling to permit a scripted event with questions approved in advance, the White House has quietly put the event on ice. Was Bush afraid the event might focus on prickly questions about Iraq and Iran rather than the rosy future he's been touting in Europe this week?

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,343281,00.html

Posted by: on February 23, 2005 03:07 PM

Pallas,et al.,

A pop-up add from a currency exchange company came up on my screen, and, though I would be very leery of dealing with a new company, especially online, I put it forth here as an "fyi." Please be careful though. It's probably best to work with an entity that comes highly recommended.

http://www.refcofx.com/?engine=claria&keyword=300*250+02031+BT+tag

Pallas, I forgot to thank you for this article. There is a lot of very interesting and important information here. This is always hope, yet these attempts at peace are so fragile. Abbas seems like a very shrewd and brilliant man. I am not a Sharon fan but he is attempting to be constructive (and practical). I agree that this still seems like a skewed deal with the Israeli getting more the better end and I hope Abbas will know how to pressure them. I know things will move slowly and probably precariously, as there are very violatile elements in both societies, but if both really, really want peace (and I'm sure they do), they will continue to move in the right direction, juggling and balancing as they go. (As an aside, I thought it was interesting to compare Sharon, the Shepherd - a fact I did not know - to David the Shepherd.) As Starrynights says, let's continue to pray and surround the Mideast in strong, protective, healing White Light.


Posted by: Sharon on February 23, 2005 03:52 PM

Revealed: the rush to war

Richard Norton-Taylor
Wednesday February 23, 2005
The Guardian

Mr Sands records that Lord Goldsmith visited Washington in February 2003 when he met John Bellinger, legal adviser to the White House National Security Council. An official later told Mr Sands: "We had trouble with your attorney, we got him there eventually."

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12956,1423304,00.html

The Brits are more 'legalistic' than USA... seems something is brewing and it's not tea... and just in time for the Brit elections... Labour is already in trouble... hmmmmmmm

Posted by: Jo on February 23, 2005 04:24 PM

You go Sen. Durbin! Maybe some of those roses should have gone your way!

Read all about it! Senate Minority Whip's letter to resident is being circulated for signatures of other Senators... damanding investigation into discredited reporter Guckert/Gannon

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/index.php?p=117

Posted by: Jo on February 23, 2005 04:32 PM

"The Selective Service System, the Bush Administration, and the Pentagon have been quietly moving to fill draft board vacancies nationwide in order to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. In preparation several million dollars have been added to the 2004 Selective Service System (SSS) budget. The SSS Administration must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation. The Pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide. An unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of Congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld’s prediction of a “long, hard slog” in Iraq and Afghanistan (and a permanent state of war on “terrorism”) proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft."

http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2005/24.html

Posted by: Jo on February 23, 2005 04:37 PM

Dollar drops on reserves concerns

Recent rebounds in the dollar have proved to be short lived

The US dollar has dropped against major currencies on concerns that central banks may cut the amount of dollars they hold in their foreign reserves. Comments by South Korea's central bank at the end of last week have sparked the recent round of dollar declines.

South Korea, which has about $200bn in foreign reserves, said it plans instead to boost holdings of currencies such as the Australian and Canadian dollar.

Analysts reckon that other nations may follow suit and now ditch the dollar.

Concerns over the dollar's outlook, and rising oil prices pushed down US shares on Tuesday. The Dow Jones industrial average closed down 1.6%, while the Nasdaq lost 1.3%.

At 1930 GMT, one euro was worth $1.325, up 1.46% on the day.

The British pound had added 0.76% to reach $1.91, while the dollar had fallen by 1.25% against the Japanese yen to trade at 104.2 yen.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4287413.stm


Posted by: Jo on February 23, 2005 04:41 PM

Starrynights/SN

shrub attacked Iraq precisely as yoy say for converting dollars to Euros. Applying same logic
shrub and cronies thinking of attacking SKorea,
Japan since yesterday they unloaded dollars for
Euros yesterday and have hinted intentions of
continuing the unloading.Instead the world should just unload shrub and this rotten bunch.

Posted by: Raj on February 23, 2005 04:56 PM

war of words has already begun prelude to?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=574&ncid=721&e=1&u=/nm/20050223/wl_nm/bush_iran_dc

Posted by: Raj on February 23, 2005 06:52 PM

Dear friends,
Here is very thought provocing article. I am silent member of this group of friend. but would like to share this. Who says history does not repeat itself. It surly does, but it wears different clothing so we fail to recognize it.
Dilip
When Democracy Failed - 2005
The Warnings of History

This weekend - February 27th - is the 72nd anniversary, but the
corporate media most likely won't cover it. The generation that
experienced this history firsthand is now largely dead, and only a
few of us dare hear their ghosts.

It started when the government, in the midst of an economic crisis,
received reports of an imminent terrorist attack. A foreign ideologue
had launched feeble attacks on a few famous buildings, but the media
largely ignored his relatively small efforts. The intelligence
services knew, however, that the odds were he would eventually
succeed. (Historians are still arguing whether or not rogue elements
in the intelligence service helped the terrorist. Some, like Sefton
Delmer - a London Daily Express reporter on the scene - say they
certainly did not, while others, like William Shirer, suggest they
did.)

But the warnings of investigators were ignored at the highest levels,
in part because the government was distracted; the man who claimed to
be the nation's leader had not been elected by a majority vote and
the majority of citizens claimed he had no right to the powers he
coveted.

He was a simpleton, some said, a cartoon character of a man who saw
things in black-and-white terms and didn't have the intellect to
understand the subtleties of running a nation in a complex and
internationalist world.

His coarse use of language - reflecting his political roots in a
southernmost state - and his simplistic and often-inflammatory
nationalistic rhetoric offended the aristocrats, foreign leaders, and
the well-educated elite in the government and media. And, as a young
man, he'd joined a secret society with an occult-sounding name and
bizarre initiation rituals that involved skulls and human bones.

Nonetheless, he knew the terrorist was going to strike (although he
didn't know where or when), and he had already considered his
response. When an aide brought him word that the nation's most
prestigious building was ablaze, he verified it was the terrorist who
had struck and then rushed to the scene and called a press
conference.

"You are now witnessing the beginning of a great epoch in history,"
he proclaimed, standing in front of the burned-out building,
surrounded by national media. "This fire," he said, his voice
trembling with emotion, "is the beginning." He used the occasion - "a
sign from God," he called it - to declare an all-out war on terrorism
and its ideological sponsors, a people, he said, who traced their
origins to the Middle East and found motivation for their evil deeds
in their religion.

Two weeks later, the first detention center for terrorists was built
in Oranianberg to hold the first suspected allies of the infamous
terrorist. In a national outburst of patriotism, the leader's flag
was everywhere, even printed large in newspapers suitable for window
display.

Within four weeks of the terrorist attack, the nation's now-popular
leader had pushed through legislation - in the name of combating
terrorism and fighting the philosophy he said spawned it - that
suspended constitutional guarantees of free speech, privacy, and
habeas corpus. Police could now intercept mail and wiretap phones;
suspected terrorists could be imprisoned without specific charges and
without access to their lawyers; police could sneak into people's
homes without warrants if the cases involved terrorism.

To get his patriotic "Decree on the Protection of People and State"
passed over the objections of concerned legislators and civil
libertarians, he agreed to put a 4-year sunset provision on it: if
the national emergency provoked by the terrorist attack was over by
then, the freedoms and rights would be returned to the people, and
the police agencies would be re-restrained. Legislators would later
say they hadn't had time to read the bill before voting on it.

Immediately after passage of the anti-terrorism act, his federal
police agencies stepped up their program of arresting suspicious
persons and holding them without access to lawyers or courts. In the
first year only a few hundred were interred, and those who objected
were largely ignored by the mainstream press, which was afraid to
offend and thus lose access to a leader with such high popularity
ratings. Citizens who protested the leader in public - and there were
many - quickly found themselves confronting the newly empowered
police's batons, gas, and jail cells, or fenced off in protest zones
safely out of earshot of the leader's public speeches. (In the
meantime, he was taking almost daily lessons in public speaking,
learning to control his tonality, gestures, and facial expressions.
He became a very competent orator.)

Within the first months after that terrorist attack, at the
suggestion of a political advisor, he brought a formerly obscure word
into common usage. He wanted to stir a "racial pride" among his
countrymen, so, instead of referring to the nation by its name, he
began to refer to it as "The Homeland," a phrase publicly promoted in
the introduction to a 1934 speech recorded in Leni Riefenstahl's
famous propaganda movie "Triumph Of The Will." As hoped, people's
hearts swelled with pride, and the beginning of an us-versus-them
mentality was sewn. Our land was "the" homeland, citizens thought:
all others were simply foreign lands. We are the "true people," he
suggested, the only ones worthy of our nation's concern; if bombs
fall on others, or human rights are violated in other nations and it
makes our lives better, it's of little concern to us.

Playing on this new implicitly racial nationalism, and exploiting a
disagreement with the French over his increasing militarism, he
argued that any international body that didn't act first and foremost
in the best interest of his own nation was neither relevant nor
useful. He thus withdrew his country from the League Of Nations in
October, 1933, and then negotiated a separate naval armaments
agreement with Anthony Eden of The United Kingdom to create a
worldwide military ruling elite.

His propaganda minister orchestrated a campaign to ensure the people
that he was a deeply religious man and that his motivations were
rooted in Christianity. He even proclaimed the need for a revival of
the Christian faith across his nation, what he called a "New
Christianity." Every man in his rapidly growing army wore a belt
buckle that declared "Gott Mit Uns" - God Is With Us - and most of
them fervently believed it was true.

Within a year of the terrorist attack, the nation's leader determined
that the various local police and federal agencies around the nation
were lacking the clear communication and overall coordinated
administration necessary to deal with the terrorist threat facing the
nation, particularly those citizens who were of Middle Eastern
ancestry and thus probably terrorist and communist sympathizers, and
various troublesome "intellectuals" and "liberals." He proposed a
single new national agency to protect the security of the homeland,
consolidating the actions of dozens of previously independent police,
border, and investigative agencies under a single leader.

He appointed one of his most trusted associates to be leader of this
new agency, the Central Security Office for the homeland, and gave it
a role in the government equal to the other major departments.

His assistant who dealt with the press noted that, since the
terrorist attack, "Radio and press are at out disposal." Those voices
questioning the legitimacy of their nation's leader, or raising
questions about his checkered past, had by now faded from the
public's recollection as his central security office began
advertising a program encouraging people to phone in tips about
suspicious neighbors. This program was so successful that the names
of some of the people "denounced" were soon being broadcast on radio
stations. Those denounced often included opposition politicians and
news reporters who dared speak out - a favorite target of his regime
and the media he now controlled through intimidation and ownership by
corporate allies.

To consolidate his power, he concluded that government alone wasn't
enough. He reached out to industry and forged an alliance, bringing
former executives of the nation's largest corporations into high
government positions. A flood of government money poured into
corporate coffers to fight the war against the Middle Eastern
ancestry terrorists lurking within the homeland, and to prepare for
wars overseas. He encouraged large corporations friendly to him to
acquire media outlets and other industrial concerns across the
nation, particularly those previously owned by suspicious people of
Middle Eastern ancestry. He built powerful alliances with industry;
one corporate ally got the lucrative contract worth millions to build
the first large-scale detention center for enemies of the state. Soon
more would follow. Industry flourished.

He also reached out to the churches, declaring that the nation had
clear Christian roots, that any nation that didn't openly support
religion was morally bankrupt, and that his administration would
openly and proudly provide both moral and financial support to
initiatives based on faith to provide social services.

In this, he was reaching back to his own embrace of Christianity,
which he noted in an April 12, 1922 speech:


"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers ... was greatest not as a sufferer but as a
fighter.
"In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders...

"As a Christian ... I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and
justice..."

When he later survived an assassination attempt, he said, "Now I am
completely content. The fact that I left the Burgerbraukeller earlier
than usual is a corroboration of Providence's intention to let me
reach my goal."

Many government functions started with prayer. Every school day
started with prayer and every child heard the wonders of Christianity
and - especially - the Ten Commandments in school. The leader even
ended many of his speeches with a prayer, as he did in a February 20,
1938 speech before Parliament:


"In this hour I would ask of the Lord God only this: that, as in the
past, so in the years to come He would give His blessing to our work
and our action, to our judgment and our resolution, that He will
safeguard us from all false pride and from all cowardly servility,
that He may grant us to find the straight path which His Providence
has ordained for the German people, and that He may ever give us the
courage to do the right, never to falter, never to yield before any
violence, before any danger."
But after an interval of peace following the terrorist attack, voices
of dissent again arose within and without the government. Students
had started an active program opposing him (later known as the White
Rose Society), and leaders of nearby nations were speaking out
against his bellicose rhetoric. He needed a diversion, something to
direct people away from the corporate cronyism being exposed in his
own government, questions of his possibly illegitimate rise to power,
his corruption of religious leaders, and the oft-voiced concerns of
civil libertarians about the people being held in detention without
due process or access to attorneys or family.

With his number two man - a master at manipulating the media - he
began a campaign to convince the people of the nation that a small,
limited war was necessary. Another nation was harboring many of the
suspicious Middle Eastern people, and even though its connection with
the terrorist who had set afire the nation's most important building
was tenuous at best, it held resources their nation badly needed if
they were to have room to live and maintain their prosperity.

He called a press conference and publicly delivered an ultimatum to
the leader of the other nation, provoking an international uproar. He
claimed the right to strike preemptively in self-defense, and nations
across Europe - at first - denounced him for it, pointing out that it
was a doctrine only claimed in the past by nations seeking worldwide
empire, like Caesar's Rome or Alexander's Greece.

It took a few months, and intense international debate and lobbying
with European nations, but, after he personally met with the leader
of the United Kingdom, finally a deal was struck. After the military
action began, Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain told the nervous
British people that giving in to this leader's new first-strike
doctrine would bring "peace for our time." Thus Hitler annexed
Austria in a lightning move, riding a wave of popular support as
leaders so often do in times of war. The Austrian government was
unseated and replaced by a new leadership friendly to Germany, and
German corporations began to take over Austrian resources.

In a speech responding to critics of the invasion, Hitler
said, "Certain foreign newspapers have said that we fell on Austria
with brutal methods. I can only say; even in death they cannot stop
lying. I have in the course of my political struggle won much love
from my people, but when I crossed the former frontier [into Austria]
there met me such a stream of love as I have never experienced. Not
as tyrants have we come, but as liberators."

To deal with those who dissented from his policies, at the advice of
his politically savvy advisors, he and his handmaidens in the press
began a campaign to equate him and his policies with patriotism and
the nation itself. National unity was essential, they said, to ensure
that the terrorists or their sponsors didn't think they'd succeeded
in splitting the nation or weakening its will.

Rather than the government being run by multiple parties in a
pluralistic, democratic fashion, one single party sought total
control. Emulating a technique also used by Stalin, but as ancient as
Rome, the Party used the power of its influence on the government to
take over all government functions, hand out government favors, and
reward Party contributors with government positions and contracts.

In times of war, they said, there could be only "one people, one
nation, and one commander-in-chief" ("Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein
Fuhrer"), and so his advocates in the media began a nationwide
campaign charging that critics of his policies were attacking the
nation itself. You were either with us, or you were with the
terrorists.

It was a simplistic perspective, but that was what would work, he was
told by his Propaganda Minister, Joseph Goebbels: "The most brilliant
propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental
principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a
few points and repeat them over and over."

Those questioning him were labeled "anti-German" or "not good
Germans," and it was suggested they were aiding the enemies of the
state by failing in the patriotic necessity of supporting the
nation's valiant men in uniform. It was one of his most effective
ways to stifle dissent and pit wage-earning people (from whom most of
the army came) against the "intellectuals and liberals" who were
critical of his policies.

Another technique was to "manufacture news," through the use of paid
shills posing as reporters, seducing real reporters with promises of
access to the leader in exchange for favorable coverage, and thinly
veiled threats to those who exposed his lies. As his Propaganda
Minister said, "It is the absolute right of the State to supervise
the formation of public opinion."

Nonetheless, once the "small war" annexation of Austria was
successfully and quickly completed, and peace returned, voices of
opposition were again raised in the Homeland. The almost-daily
release of news bulletins about the dangers of terrorist communist
cells wasn't enough to rouse the populace and totally suppress
dissent. A full-out war was necessary to divert public attention from
the growing rumbles within the country about disappearing dissidents;
violence against liberals, Jews, and union leaders; and the epidemic
of crony capitalism that was producing empires of wealth in the
corporate sector but threatening the middle class's way of life.

A year later, to the week, Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia.

In the months after that, he claimed that Poland had weapons of mass
destruction (poison gas) and was supporting terrorists against
Germany. Those who doubted that Poland represented a threat were
shouted down or branded as ignorant. Elections were rigged, run by
party hacks. Only loyal Party members were given passes for admission
to public events with the leader, so there would never be a single
newsreel of a heckler, and no doubt in the minds of the people that
the leader enjoyed vast support.

And his support did grow, as Propaganda Minister Goebbels' dictum
bore fruit:


"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for
such time as the State can shield the people from the political,
economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes
vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress
dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by
extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
Within a few months Poland, too, was invaded in a "defensive, pre-
emptive" action. The nation was now fully at war, and all internal
dissent was suppressed in the name of national security; it was the
end of Germany's first experiment with democracy.

As we conclude this review of history, there are a few milestones
worth remembering.

February 27, 2005, is the 72nd anniversary of Dutch terrorist Marinus
van der Lubbe's successful firebombing of the German Parliament
(Reichstag) building, the terrorist act that catapulted Hitler to
legitimacy and reshaped the German constitution. By the time of his
successful and brief action to seize Austria, in which almost no
German blood was shed, Hitler was the most beloved and popular leader
in the history of his nation. Hailed around the world, he was later
Time magazine's "Man Of The Year."

Most Americans remember his office for the security of the homeland,
known as the Reichssicherheitshauptamt and its SchutzStaffel, simply
by its most famous agency's initials: the SS.

We also remember that the Germans developed a new form of highly
violent warfare they named "lightning war" or blitzkrieg, which,
while generating devastating civilian losses, also produced a highly
desirable "shock and awe" among the nation's leadership according to
the authors of the 1996 book "Shock And Awe" published by the
National Defense University Press.

Reflecting on that time, The American Heritage Dictionary (Houghton
Mifflin Company, 1983) left us this definition of the form of
government the German democracy had become through Hitler's close
alliance with the largest German corporations and his policy of using
religion and war as tools to keep power: "fas-cism (fâsh'iz'em) n. A
system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme
right, typically through the merging of state and business
leadership, together with belligerent nationalism."

Today, as we face financial and political crises, it's useful to
remember that the ravages of the Great Depression hit Germany and the
United States alike. Through the 1930s, however, Hitler and Roosevelt
chose very different courses to bring their nations back to power and
prosperity.

Germany's response was to use government to empower corporations and
reward the society's richest individuals, privatize much of the
commons, stifle dissent, strip people of constitutional rights, bust
up unions, and create an illusion of prosperity through government
debt and continual and ever-expanding war spending.

America passed minimum wage laws to raise the middle class, enforced
anti-trust laws to diminish the power of corporations, increased
taxes on corporations and the wealthiest individuals, created Social
Security, and became the employer of last resort through programs to
build national infrastructure, promote the arts, and replant forests.

To the extent that our Constitution is still intact, the choice is
again ours.


Thom Hartmann (www.thomhartmann.com) lived and worked in Germany
during the 1980s, is the Project Censored Award-winning, best-selling
author of over a dozen books, and is the host of a nationally
syndicated daily progressive talk radio program. This article, in
slightly altered form, was first published in 2003 by
CommonDreams.org and is now also a chapter in Thom's book What Would
Jefferson Do?, published in 2004 by Random House/Harmony.


Posted by: Dilip on February 23, 2005 07:13 PM

Dilip, while the above article is a little long for the February bandwidth for this site, the article is excellent and should be brought to the attention of everyone. I am familiar with Thom Hartmann's work but I have not read this and it's outstanding. Thank you so much for bringing it to us, all should read.

Posted by: Sally on February 23, 2005 08:08 PM

Raj,
If you can stomach it, look through the slide show of dubya in Europe. About #5 he is looking like a pale vulture. Very surreal.

Jill G

Posted by: jill g on February 23, 2005 08:35 PM

Thank you Sally. I have seen some of these facts but not this arrangement, and did not see the piece in Commondreams. I have cut and pasted to my word processing and am printing out copies for family.

Thank you Dilip.

Posted by: Jo on February 23, 2005 08:36 PM

Would you say that Saturn is finally beginning to hit Dubya?

Posted by: Sharon on February 23, 2005 09:34 PM

Here when the twin towers were hit and then came
down in about an hour within 20 mins or so of each other,I read and know engineers and architects questioning this unless they were brought down by explosives means. That argument is
correct because, very recently, a multi storeyed
building in Madrid Spain(may be not as tall as World Center) burned completely, but has not come down so far(week has passed) proving there is more
than fishy for investigation and sending cheny/
rummy gang to lifers or more!

Posted by: Raj on February 23, 2005 10:47 PM

ROFLMAO@Sharon (9:34)

Posted by: Peg on February 23, 2005 11:30 PM

First Invisible Galaxy Discovered in Cosmology Breakthrough

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=96&ncid=96&e=1&u=/space/20050223/sc_space/firstinvisiblegalaxydiscoveredincosmologybreakthrough

Posted by: Jo on February 24, 2005 12:14 AM


Bernard Weiner:

"Shallow Throat": Slime Report from the Bush World

http://www.crisispapers.org/essays-w/st-bushworld.htm

Posted by: wv on February 24, 2005 12:47 AM

Mainz Watch


Bertrand Benoit, George Parker and Robert Anderson wrote in the Financial Times about the security lockdown in Mainz.

"In a contemporary echo of the Lady Godiva legend, anyone living on the route of the presidential motorcade is being discouraged from taking a peek at the 60- to 80-strong column of vehicles conveying the US president. In police leaflets, residents have been asked to keep their windows shut and stay clear of balconies 'to avoid misunderstandings'."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/politics/administration/whbriefing/

Posted by: Jo on February 24, 2005 01:38 AM


Israel's Secret Weapon (video)

http://207.44.245.159/article6558.htm

Posted by: wv on February 24, 2005 01:49 AM

Sign seen on protester in Germany:

"We had our Hitler

Now you have yours"

Posted by: Pallas18 on February 24, 2005 02:18 AM


NYTimes Keller on Blogs....

http://forum.truthout.org/blog/story/2005/2/22/82236/6314

Posted by: wv on February 24, 2005 03:44 AM

damn! they found my galaxy.

pallas18, love that sign:
"We had our Hitler
Now you have yours"

in august or there abouts, i started a DU threat with: "Is Bush our Hitler/Iraq our Poland." oh, did i get **it from some folks. i noticed this sign and thought, well, well...those germans know a thing or two about this. the point is 'our hitler' wouldn't be a 'german hitler' from the '30's. we're not focusing on specific people in our persecution, our greed and waste threatens the entire world. as for iraq being our poland, i was right then but now i believe that iraq is really our demi waterloo. we'll back out at some point, and it won't be the end of us. it will be the end of our foreign adventures. iraq will be our equivalent of whatever stopped the swedes from ravaging europe. they were quite a bit of trouble for centuries and then they stopped.

tomorrow, in 8 minutes, i have T venus trine N venus and the next day T venus trine N uranus...hmm...

Posted by: mike on February 24, 2005 04:53 AM

Another classic sign at a Mainz bus stop seen on DU:

Drawings of * and Hitler side by side with dripping blood. In English it says: Same SH**, Different A**Hole.

Posted by: bhakti on February 24, 2005 11:27 AM

ps
deletes above are mine only.

The sign spells the words out in full.

Posted by: bhakti on February 24, 2005 11:29 AM

Mike,

Modern Hitler is focused on certain people... this time, they too originate from the ME; instead of Jews, it's Arabs... Muslims. Same MO, different time.

Posted by: Jo on February 24, 2005 01:23 PM

Germans are asking questions, making suggestions:

Travel Destinations for Bush's Next Foreign Visit

AP
Not everyone was thrilled with Bush's arrival. A band protested the visit -- and the Bush administration's policies -- in Mainz.
George W. Bush is spending seven hours in the German city of Mainz on Wednesday. Here's our question: Should the city (population 200,000 and a far cry from a tourist Mecca) feel flattered or penalized? Here are some details. In order to accommodate Bush and the army-like security and press entourage that follows him everywhere, the entire city has come to a standstill...

Our suggestion for Bush's next visit: given the already astronomical costs of moving the president from place to place and the extraordinary security precautions necessary to bring him, wouldn't it simply be better to limit Bush's trip's to the world's most remote spots? That way, the fewest people possible would be bothered. He could then ask those he really wanted to see to visit him. Here is our list of potential European presidential destinations: Germany's Helgoland, an island in the North Sea (70 km from land) with a population of 1,650 (likely just about the number in the president's entourage). Scotland's Highlands, where there aren't many people but there is one of the only free-living herd of reindeer in the world. Any of Denmark's 18 Faroe islands. They're mid-way between the Atlantic and the Norwegian Sea. An online city calendar for the main city of Torshav shows there are no official events all month.

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,343310,00.html

Posted by: Jo on February 24, 2005 01:28 PM

Bush dally;s while addicts rot in jail....


http://www.observer.com/pages/conason.asp

Posted by: wv on February 24, 2005 02:29 PM

Dilip wonderful article. I too am a silent visitor to this wonderful site. Mike said: 'The one thing that bothers me is the stupidity of the Palestinian movement. It is quite obvious that they cannot match Israel in the field of military skill and even determination. Israel's Army is one of the best the world has seen pound for pound and they are relentless; while the Palestinina movement ebbs and flows.' Mike I disagree. The Palestinians aren't stupid, just under financed. Israel is able to amass the military capablility due to OUR TAX DOLLARS. We subsidize that military build up by giving them technology(they occasionally send spys to steal it) and enough money (approx $6 bil pr year) so that they can supplement that huge part of their domestic budget they divert to the military. I truly believe if we stopped financing the maddness they would be forced to deal with the Palestinians for some kind of equitable peace. On M.L. King, it took a combination of about 300 years of slavery and 100 years of Jim Crowe to produce a King. I have no idea how many centuries of Brittish oppression and colonialism to produce a Ghandi. I do hope the Palestinians don't have to suffer thru centuries only to have to rely on a Ghandi/King to bring the Israelis to deal with them with equity and humanity.

Posted by: Bones on February 24, 2005 02:29 PM

This is outstanding.

http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/05/02/int05009.html

Mark Crispin Miller Examines Mainstream Media's Blind Eye Towards the Gannongate Sex Scandal

Posted by: Pat C on February 24, 2005 02:59 PM

http://www.reopen911.org/

Posted by: Pat C on February 24, 2005 03:05 PM

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/284007p-243240c.html

Dems going nuclear over book's Iran claim

Lowdown - Lloyd Grove

After their bitter campaign 2004 experience with the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, John Kerry and his fellow Dems aren't waiting to be shot at again.

Yesterday, aides to Sens. Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Ted Kennedy jumped all over literary mugger Jerome Corsi, co-author of the Kerry-bashing best seller "Unfit for Command."

They knocked him to the ground and kicked him in the face (metaphorically, anyway) over his next Democrattrashing tome, "Atomic Iran: How the Terrorist Regime Bought the Bomb and American Politicians."

The book - which Nashville's Cumberland House Publishing won't release till next month - claims Democratic pols are being corrupted by Iranian money and helping the nuke-seeking mullahs in Tehran.

More.....


http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/022405Z.shtml

Bush Gets Stoned by the World Media

U.S. press less interested in drug remarks.

    President Bush all but admits to illicit drug use for the first time.

    Overseas it's the stuff of headlines. At home, the U.S. press has generally downplayed the story.

    The divergent coverage of Bush's apparent drug use is a textbook study in the difference between the international online media and their American counterparts. On the issue of youthful illicit drug use, most U.S. news editors -- liberal, conservative or other -- defer to Bush in a way that their foreign counterparts do not.

More...

Posted by: Pat C on February 24, 2005 03:19 PM

From the JEWISH VOICE FOR PEACE

http://ga3.org/jvfp/jpn_home.html#Article1

Previous attempts at a cease-fire have failed quite miserably, and none have been tried since the early days of the Sharon tenure. But this time, the Bush Administration has been quite vocal in their support of Mahmoud Abbas and has, at the same time, been quite clear with Ariel Sharon that he must not, at this time, provoke the Palestinian armed groups and that he must help to support Abbas. How long will this sort of behavior last? Who can say?

But a diminishment of violence, if it is genuine, cannot be anything but welcome. The question is will the armed groups abide by it; will the Israelis refrain from operations that have broken cease-fires in the past; and will the Bush administration stay the course? It is this last that American citizens must take firm hold of. Now is the time for us to speak out. We need to tell the president and secretary of state that we approve of the support they have shown Mahmoud Abbas, we are encouraged by the announcement of the $350 million in aid they will send to the PA and we need them to do more.

Now is the time to push hard on Washington for the pressure needed to end the occupation. Now is the time to call for the removal of the wall from the midst of the West Bank as a show of good faith. Now is the time for Israel to release prisoners who have served many years for their actions in the first intifada, as some Israeli military and political leaders have been suggesting. Now is the time for the US to ensure that the Gaza withdrawal is not an end but a beginning, that it become a model for the removal of settlements in the West Bank. Now is the time to demand that the occupation end once and for all, that Jerusalem be shared and that a just resolution to the Palestinian refugee crisis be found. Only if these conditions are met can this most welcome cease-fire become a permanent peace.

Posted by: Jo on February 24, 2005 03:26 PM


Battle over the past rages on in an evolviong
South...

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0224/p01s05-ussc.htm

Posted by: wv on February 24, 2005 03:35 PM


Sharon's list of "doomed" settlements...

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=543597

Posted by: wv on February 24, 2005 03:43 PM

Why are we welcoming this torturer?

Europe is tacitly condoning the Bush regime's appalling practices

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1423861,00.html

How can it be that not one mainstream public figure in Europe has denounced these appalling practices and declared that, in view of all we now know of cells, cages, underground bunkers, solitary confinement, sodomy and threatened sodomy, beatings, sleep deprivation, sexual humiliation, mock executions and kidnapping, President Bush and his officials are not welcome? Perhaps it's not surprising given the British army's own dismal record in southern Iraq. Why has no public figure had the honesty to admit that the democracy and freedom promised for the Middle East are fake and mask US plans to leave Washington dominant in the area? And why does no one say publicly that what is really happening in the "war on terror" is a war on Muslims that is creating a far more dangerous world for all?

Posted by: Jo on February 24, 2005 03:59 PM

Bones,

In addition to American tax dollars financing Israel (and every other country in the world) your tax dollars also subsidize the Palestinian National Authority at a higher rate than is the finance to Israel.

I'm surprised that you are not aware of this. American taxpayers contributed to the PNA to the tune of $1.26 Billion in 2002 and increasing now that Arafat is no longer syphoning off the monies and financial accounting and "transparency" is expected.

It is unfortunate that there is so much misinformation or perhaps it is disinformation.

"Such aid has steadily risen from $482 million in 1999 to a high of $1.26 billion in 2002, [b]which at $360 per person was the largest per capita assistance for any people since World War II, according to the World Bank. "[/b]

Too bad Darfur or Rwanda are not receiving as much money.

Posted by: Pallas18 on February 24, 2005 04:30 PM

*Library of Congress. Congressional Research Service. CRS Issue Brief for Congress, Updated July 12, 2004. Israel: U.S. Foreign Assistance, by Clyde R. Mark.
http://www.fas.org/man/crs/IB85066.pdf and
http://www.usembassy-israel.org.il/publish/newgov.html

Excerpt below is from the above CRS report. Emphasis added.
"Israel is not economically self-sufficient, and relies on foreign assistance and borrowing to maintain its economy. Since 1985, the United States has provided $3 billion in grants annually to Israel. Since 1976, Israel has been the largest annual recipient of U.S. foreign assistance, and is the largest cumulative recipient since World War II. In addition to U.S. assistance, it is estimated that Israel receives about $1 billion annually through philanthropy, an equal amount through short- and long- term commercial loans, and around $1 billion in Israel Bonds proceeds."

http://www.usembassy-israel.org.il/publish/newgov.html

Work & Money: "Economic Scene" Column
from the December 09, 2002 edition

Economist tallies swelling cost of Israel to US

By David R. Francis | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

Since 1973, Israel has cost the United States about $1.6 trillion. If divided by today's population, that is more than $5,700 per person.
This is an estimate by Thomas Stauffer, a consulting economist in Washington. For decades, his analyses of the Middle East scene have made him a frequent thorn in the side of the Israel lobby.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html

The United States Agency for International Development (USAID) funds programs that help people living in the West Bank and Gaza lead healthier and more productive lives.

Since 1993, Palestinians have received more than $1.5 billion in U.S. economic assistance via USAID projects - more than from any other donor country.

http://www.usaid.gov/wbg/

Posted by: on February 24, 2005 05:17 PM

Many years ago I told my "spirit guides" not to wake me up with a dream, unless it was very very
important.

I have not been awakened in YEARS.

Last night I woke up at 5 AM - clearly remembering the dream, which I don't fully now.

In the dream I was in Germany (a country I would not go to)in some formal room and I noticed how they had an entire wall covered with a humongous mirror - (which I thought was interesting, they didn't have to concern themselves with placing paintings and pictures on the wall).

Then I was looking for my father (my actual father was American and not of German descent) ...and then I was hungry and looking for food... then I woke up.

This is not a good dream.

I take it to mean the wall covered with a mirror was showing us (America) that we are a reflection of Germany.

Looking for the Father - that can mean looking for God, looking for emotional nourishment, looking for security, looking for re-assurance- but the worst of it is that Hitler used to be called the Father of der fatherland. And the dimwit was in Germany yesterday.

Some details are lost, but looking for food. That doesn't sound too good either. Is there going to be a shortage of food in America (as there was in Germany?)

Anyway, I woke up at 5 AM, hungry, and got a spoonful of peanut butter and went back to sleep.

Posted by: Pallas18 on February 24, 2005 05:29 PM


San Francisco Chronicle lead editorial....

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/02/24/EDGJJBFG2M1.DTL&type=printable

Who if Jeff Gannon?

Posted by: wv on February 24, 2005 05:48 PM


Last year alone we gave Israel $10 billion.

Looks like we're paying for the fence, and I
for one object to that. It is our tax dollars at
work.

Get the settlers out of Palestine and there will
be Peace!

Posted by: wv on February 24, 2005 05:51 PM

I listened to the Bush/Putin live news conference earlier and the CM got busted by the Russian press. The Russians had the audacity to question Democracy in America and freedom of the press in America, where there are "methods to suppress its freedom", ie CM pressured by government admin.

The Blogsphere is the new Bernstein and Woodard with thousands of good investigative reporting, uncensored by CM.
Last night our local news guy slipped up in an aside to a cub reporter saying, essentially that the internet had already rendered them obsolete (I paraphrased)...I howled. Then noted that the Blogsphere scored another win with Gannon/Guckert goading Congress to jump on it.
Should be interesting to see who picks up on what from this exchange.

Posted by: Morgana on February 24, 2005 05:53 PM

Hey Morgana!

Congress has learned that Guckert/Gannon kept a 2 year diary of his daily visits to the White House.

They demand that Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald subpoena this diary...and they also want him called to the Grand Jury on Plame...as well as they want to know how he knew about "shock and awe" before it happened.

One of these committees, all headed by Republicans, ought to have the guts and decedncy to call him before their committee...at least the one on intel(the one Rockefeller is on with Pat Roberts) or armed forces -

Wonder how we could help that along?

hee hee.

Posted by: Pallas18 on February 24, 2005 06:25 PM

Morgana,
What a great story about your local news reporter!
The word at Americablog is that the CM is using the blogs to get info on jim/jeff! They're not only bought, they're lazy!

Posted by: Jo on February 24, 2005 06:44 PM

Pallas,
Most interesting dream... I fear there will be a shortage of food here... an economic collapse will bring hunger...

Posted by: Jo on February 24, 2005 06:47 PM

Two years ago before the invasion of Iraq, my Dad ordered a book... he was concerned for me... thought my 'passion' in opposing * and the coming war indicated a developing 'hatred' in me toward *. No matter my protestations, he repeatedly cautioned me of the harm 'hate' can do to one personally. The 'book' arrived: "Why We Hate" and he gave it to me with a big smile. I smiled back. Now, I know that I am not 'hate' free --- would like to be, but I'm not. And exactly what is 'hate'? I like to say "I hate the behavior" not the one behaving. But, I probably do 'hate' Hitler. Don't know about * ---

The third reich spoke of a 1,000 reign... the rapture/readies say Jesus will return to earth, wage war and reign on earth for 1,000 years.

The British writer George Monbiot recently did a brilliant piece in the Guardian on 'Rapturers': "Once Israel has occupied the rest of ts "biblical lands," legions of the antichrist will attack it, triggering a final showdown in the valley of Armageddon. As the Jews who have not been converted are burned, the messiah will return for the rapture. True believers will be lifted out of their clothes and transported to Heaven, where, seated next to the right hand of God, they will watch their political and religious opponents suffer plagues of boils, sores, locusts and frogs during the several years of tribulation that follow."

---------

Y'all here that? These people not only believe the rest of us will suffer and die --- they believe they will be sitting on a cloud and watching (think Rome and the gladiators! and worse) in GLEE. They're looking forward to it!

Now, that's what I call HATE.

Posted by: Jo on February 24, 2005 07:07 PM

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/feb2005/cens-f24.shtml

Michigan artist sentenced to jail over mural nudity

In a particularly philistine and backward act, artist Edward Stross was sentenced to prison last week for his mural depicting a bare-breasted figure on a building in Roseville, Michigan, in suburban Detroit. The artist was ordered by District Judge Marco Santia to serve 30 days in jail, do two years of probation and pay a fine of $500 for his variation of Michelangelo’s “Creation of Man,” illustrating a half-naked Eve. Stross was also mandated to alter the fresco, which he painted on the outside of his art gallery in 1997.


After covering the breast with a black cloth, Stross explained to reporters that he was in mourning for artists everywhere. “Removing the work is the ultimate punishment. The jail time is nothing compared to removing what I painted. ... They’re trying to paint me out as a criminal.”


At Stross’ trial, Roseville resident Jim Goldwater spoke in support of the artist, telling jurors that Stross volunteered at a local homeless shelter and has created a number of murals in the community for free. He added, “I think it’s disgusting, to be honest with you.”


The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Michigan filed an emergency motion to keep him out of jail pending an appeal of the sentence. On Tuesday the ACLU obtained a stay until March 5. City officials are apparently quite determined to see Stross jailed. Roseville city attorney John Dolan told the Macomb [County] Daily, “We don’t believe there is a basis for a stay. He was convicted by a jury of his peers.” Continued Dolan: “There also aren’t any constitutional claims that we think have any likelihood of prevailing in this case.”


In a press release, national ACLU Legal Director Michael J. Steinberg commented, “It is disturbing that an artist can be imprisoned for replicating a masterpiece from the Sistine Chapel on the side of his art studio.”

More...

Posted by: Pat C on February 24, 2005 07:18 PM

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/E022305Y.shtml

More Than a Thousand Whistleblower Cases Dumped by Federal Office of the Special Counsel.

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Oct04/Berkowitz1012.htm


Background info on the current head of the OSC

After graduation from the Law School at the University of Kansas, Scott Bloch was a partner in a Kansas law firm specializing in civil rights law, employment law and legal ethics. He comes to the special counsel's office after a stint as deputy director of the Justice Department's Task Force for Faith-based and Community Initiatives. The Washington Blade pointed out that he is "a devout Catholic and staunch social conservative" who revealed on a Senate disclosure form that he had been the former Lincoln Fellow at the Claremont Institute, a right wing California-based think tank that vigorously opposes the gay rights movement.

While at the University of Kansas, Bloch enrolled in the experimental Integrated Humanities Program -- a controversial curriculum established in 1971 to counter the anti-war and women's movements and a growing demand for greater multiculturalism on campus.... The IHP ended in 1979 amidst a swirl of charges regarding proselytizing and "cult-like" behavior.

According to the Washington Blade, Bloch has hired at least two religious conservatives "and offered the No. 2 post at the OSC to a college professor from Wyoming who helped form an anti-gay campus group," who turned him down.


.org/nws/2005/01/10/staff_purge_at_o

Staff Purge At Office Of Special Counsel
The U.S. Special Counsel, the principal protector of federal whistleblower and merit system rights, has abruptly ordered more than 20 percent of his headquarters legal and investigative staff to relocate or be fired. According to a letter of protest filed today by three national whistleblower watchdog groups, those targeted for forced moves are all career employees hired before Bloch became Special Counsel, as part of a purge to stifle dissent and re-staff the agency with handpicked loyalists.

Since Bloch received no additional funds to rent space and relocate staff, the move will come at the expense of filling existing vacancies. Congress allocated additional funds to hire more staff at OSC to reduce chronic backlogs of whistleblower cases. Bloch claims to have reduced these backlogs but has refused to release figures showing precisely what happened to all those cases in the past year.

In their letter, the groups pointed out that since Bloch became Special Counsel, all OSC positions, including positions previously occupied by career civil servants, have been filled on a non-competitive basis by Bloch’s personal picks. None of Mr. Bloch’s hand-selected hires have been asked to relocate.


http://sev.prnewswire.com/government/20041028/DCW05827102004-1.html

Union Questions Use of 'Swift Boat Veteran' to Address Federal Employees
The American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) sent a letter to the U.S. Special Counsel, Scott Bloch, calling for an investigation of a training session held at the Waco V.A. Regional Office conducted by a former Bush campaign political operative and Swift Boat Veteran, Ken Cordier. AFGE argues that the training session was a violation of the Hatch Act because of Cordier's politically partisan affiliation.

Employees of the Waco facility were required to attend the training session, which was on POW issues, despite previously having met all training requirements on the subject. VA employees were promised in advance that Mr. Cordier would not inject partisan politics into his presentation. However, employees attest that comments made by Mr. Cordier during the question and answer portion of the training were politically partisan.


http://www.ems.org/nws/2005/01/27/special_counsel_

Special Counsel Seeks To Hide Its Contracts
The U.S. Office of Special Counsel claims that it is unable to produce a copy of consultant contract with a former Catholic boarding school headmaster, according to an affidavit filed in response to a lawsuit brought by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER). PEER is seeking to force the release of documents showing how the agency that is supposed to police compliance with federal civil service rules is itself circumventing civil service rules by using no-bid consultants and hiring on a non-competitive basis.


http://p2pnet.net/story/2640

Bloch is, however, strictly enforcing the Hatch Act:
Air Force machinist Donald Thompson didn’t think twice last November when he forwarded an email criticizing president Bush, says an item in the Federal Times, going on:

"He saw nothing wrong with passing on to 70 friends and acquaintances a lampoon of the president’s qualifications from the union office in Warner-Robins, Ga., where he served as president of the American Federation of Government Employees’ Local 987. 'It was a funny e-mail, and I thought people would enjoy it,' Thompson said. 'To me, sending it was just an electronic version of water cooler chit-chat'.

Unfortunately for Thompson, the Office of Special Council wasn't laughing and now he's fighting for his job.

The OSC says it's an independent investigative and prosecutorial agency and "operates as a secure channel for disclosures of whistleblower complaints and abuse of authority".

In other words, someone ratted Thompson out and the OSC now claims Thompson violated the Hatch Act that restricts the political activities of federal, state and local government employees.

"If the Merit Systems Protection Board, which adjudicates Hatch Act complaints filed by the OSC, finds Thompson violated the law, he could be suspended or fired," says the Federal Times.


http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizations/pogo/action/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=320

The Project on Government Oversite is collecting names to Urge Congress to Investigate General Counsel Scott Bloch.

Posted by: Pat C on February 24, 2005 07:35 PM

My apologies for the link on the Staff Purge... here is the complete link.

http://www.ems.org/nws/2005/01/10/staff_purge_at_o

Posted by: Pat C on February 24, 2005 07:38 PM

The above colletion of articles came from ME Cowen who posts on Salon.

Posted by: Pat C on February 24, 2005 07:48 PM

Russian Press Ask Bush: Who Says We're Not Free?

BRATISLAVA (Reuters) - Incensed by U.S. talk of a lack of press freedom in Russia, two Russian reporters tried to turn the tables on President Bush (news - web sites) during his summit news conference with Vladimir Putin (news - web sites) Thursday.

After Bush said he had raised concerns about Russia's democracy in talks with the Russian president and felt reassured, he suddenly found himself on the defensive.

"What is that lack of freedom all about?" a reporter from the Russian news agency Interfax asked the U.S. president.

Before Bush could answer, the reporter then turned on Putin and demanded to know why he was not sticking up for Russian reporters by talking about violations of the rights of American journalists.

~ snip ~

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=584&e=4&u=/nm/20050224/pl_nm/bush_russia_putin_press_dc

Posted by: Morgana on February 24, 2005 08:09 PM

More from Fiore

http://www.sfgate.com/comics/fiore/

Posted by: wv on February 24, 2005 09:43 PM

Sally,

isn't this "family values republican" from your neck of the woods?

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/opinion/article/0,1299,DRMN_38_3571025,00.html

On Point, February 24, 2005 - Rocky Mountain News

CRANKY CADMAN

At the time this was written Wednesday afternoon, Rep. Bill Cadman, R-Colorado Springs, still hadn't forthrightly apologized for warning a colleague Tuesday on the floor of the House, "If you try that again, I'll ram my fist up your ass."

Instead, Cadman was splitting hairs. He insisted the responsibility was reciprocal: The fellow he'd threatened, Rep. Val Vigil, D-Thornton, should have to apologize, too, because Vigil had told Cadman he was "garbage." In fact, Cadman suggested, Vigil should apologize first, presumably because he'd "started it," to use the playground lingo appropriate for these two legislative titans.

Well, of course Vigil should have apologized immediately, too. But an individual's responsibility to do the right thing is not contingent on others acting first. What is shocking is not only Cadman's reluctance to express regret but the fact that he wasn't absolutely mortified by what he'd stooped to say. It would never occur to most people to use such an expression even in private, no matter how incensed they were over an affront, let alone utter such words in public before other elected officials.

With Tuesday's outburst and its aftermath, Cadman has revealed himself as a sanctimonious loose cannon - someone to whom it might be wise to give a wide berth.

Posted by: Pallas18 on February 24, 2005 10:16 PM

World / Asia-Pacific Print article | Email article


India’s population ‘to outstrip China by 2030’
By Mark Turner at the United Nations
Published: February 24 2005 18:02 | Last updated: February 24 2005 18:02

The population of India will overtake that of China before 2030, five years earlier than previously expected, a new UN population report predicts.


According to the United Nations' latest World Population Prospects, released on Thursday in New York, there will be 1,395m people in India in 2025, and 1,593m in 2050. In China the population will grow to 1,441m by 2025, before dropping back to 1,392m in 2050.

“We've been saying for a while that India would cross over China before 2050, but the crossover has been getting earlier and earlier, and we now say it will happen before 2030 (not including Hong Kong). This is five years earlier than we said two years ago,“ Cheryl Sawyer, a UN demographer, said.

“Based on analysis of the newest censuses we're estimating lower fertility for China, while India's is slightly higher than we estimated in the past.”

In 2050, the world's population will be 9.1bn people, up from 6.5bn today, with almost all the growth registered in developing countries.

Posted by: Pallas18 on February 24, 2005 10:59 PM

Jo considering your post @ 7:07
Thought you might get a laugh out of this site “Rapture Letters” ~ I have been ringing the alarm bell for the last ten years that this group of Fundamentalist /Fanatical Kooksters have/had a very determined plan to take over our government ~Right from the very bottom to the very top~ They are a very hateful/dangerous religious faction and just like I warned/and few listened ~ they HAVE now systematically and successfully taken over our government and they are coming for those of us that disagree with them ~ If not stopped you can count on it


These People are Genuinely Nuts
~RAPTURE LETTERS~

The rapture: When all the believers in Jesus Christ, who have been born again, are
taken up to heaven.

After the rapture, there will be a lot of speculation as to why millions of people have
just disappeared. Unfortunately, after the rapture, only non-believers will be left to come up with answers. You probably have family and friends that you have witnessed to and they just won't listen. After the rapture they probably will, but who will tell them?

We have written a computer program to do just that. It will send an Electronic Message (e-mail) to whomever you want after the rapture has taken place, and you and I have been taken to heaven.

http://www.raptureletters.com/

Posted by: Starrynights/SN on February 25, 2005 12:53 AM

Thanks for the heads up on the "criminal artist"
It forms my response to Sen. Collins re: her letter responding to my letter urging her to stand with Boxer on the electoral challenge!!!!
She thinks that because 71 Senators didn't vote with Boxer, & Kerry DIDN'T contest............it was democratically settled, we can now move from politics to policy & it is time for cozy bipartisan work on behalf of the American People!
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Hope it doesn't snow........
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