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Last Call by Isabelle Ghaneh
January will be a very busy month for Dick Cheney astrologically; first, he has his Mars Return in the early morning of January 20th, then, he has his Inauguration chart later that same day, and then he has his Solar Return on January 30, 2005. When you look at all his astrological aspects and portents, they paint a very compelling, somewhat dark and disturbing picture as to what is going on for the American version of Sauron, Tolkien’s master of Mordor. Since the first chart to be unveiled is his Mars Return let us take a look at that. A Return Chart is in action until a new return comes into being. It is based on the exact moment of time the planet in question is at the same position it was at the moment of the subjects birth. In the case of the Sun that’s a year, Mercury the same, Venus a little longer and Mars about 18 to 24 months, depending on how quickly the planet moves through the zodiac that particular cycle. Each Return Chart also deals exclusively with the qualities of the planet involved; Mercury the mind, Venus love (and money) and Mars action, initiative and accidents and illness. The Sun can and does encompass all the parts of the individual’s life, since it is the main focus of being if you will, and the Solar Return chart gives us the most information on the year ahead. Looking at Sauron the Second’s Mars Return for the early morning of January 20, the first thing I see is that the ascendant is in the last degree of, who else, the sign ruled by the dark lord Pluto, Scorpio. Now this is interesting in itself because the last degree is the ending of a cycle and should be thought of as such. The rulers of the chart are both Mars and Pluto, since Mars ruled Scorpio until the early 1930’s when Pluto was discovered (coinciding with the rise of world-wide fascism). Since this is a Mars Return the house Mars is placed in and the aspects it makes are of prime importance. Mars is conjoined to Pluto in the first house. Need I say more???? This is a chart Darth Vader would be proud of. Following up on the Scorpio motif to see if it is echoed throughout the chart, I find a great big yes to that question. Scorpio rules both the 12th and 1st houses, since Sagittarius is intercepted. I can see that the 2nd house, the polar opposite of the 8th house, has a stellium of planets; namely, Venus, Mercury, Chiron and the Sun. The 8th house, Scorpios natural home, contains Saturn along with the Vertex, a fated position in a chart and the Part of Fortune, also a fated position, not a planet. The 7th house is ruled by Venus since it is in Taurus, and conjunct the fixed star The Pleiades, the position of great grief in the heavens. Remembering that the 7th house rules partnerships, both personal and professional, and open enemies, I wonder how to attach the symbolism inherent in this sign? Grief for one’s enemies? One’s enemies causing grief? One’s enemies causing grief to one’s partner? Perhaps…. Perhaps. One final note about Cheney’s Mars Return, the 7th house in the Mars Return chart is aligned to the 10th house of his natal chart, and the 4th house of the natal chart is brought to the ascendant of the Mars Return chart. A good way to determine the issues the individual experiencing the Return will deal with is by looking at the house brought to the ascendant of the Return. In this case, the 4th could imply a change of residence, a return to the past, dealing with real estate or end of life. All are possibilities, including the death of one’s parents and one dealing with a retirement. It is simply a question of which one is the right interpretation, since each individual’s life will of course vary and so too will the way the energy is played out in that individual’s life. Nothing is set in stone. And we all have free will. Next on to the Inauguration chart. This chart is basically the same as for Bush, give or take a few minutes. The Inauguration chart’s ascendant and midheaven and Sun stay the same year to year, but the Moon and other planet placements and aspects change. Cheney’s natal chart is impacted by the Inauguration chart in an interesting way. At first glance I see that Uranus is conjunct Cheney’s natal 7th house cusp and the 11th house is brought to that house from the Inauguration chart. Of course the biggest news here is the fact that the Mars Return has taken place several hours earlier and is now linking Cheney’s natal 4th house to the 8th house of the Inauguration chart. Since the Mars/Mars link is so exact, there is in my opinion a direct tie-in to the Return chart and the Inauguration one. Time will tell. Back from the Land of Mordor and on to Cheney’s Solar Return. When you look at a chart the first thing that catches your eye can become the most important in the forthcoming analysis. It is what stands out to you when you see the chart revealed for the first time. The first thing I noticed when I looked at this chart was the fact that the ascendant was in Pisces in the 28th degree and conjunct the fixed star Sheat. Now Sheat is the fixed star that denotes suicide or suicidal thoughts. It can also be correlated to murder and drowning. But it is a place of sorrow, a fixed place, and while it does not necessarily mean someone will commit suicide it does mean that person will be in a place of experiencing sorrowful thoughts and feelings; that is the accepted connotation. (And I have found it to be true). The natal house brought to the ascendant in the Solar Return chart is of course the 8th house, reinforcing the Scorpion dark secrets, dark thoughts, dark deeds flow of the previous charts. Cheney’s natal Neptune is on the cusp of the 7th house of the Solar Return chart and the natal Moon in Pisces at 22 degrees is the rising planet, the planet that is closest to the ascendant in the Solar Return which can belong to either the solar or natal chart. Water is involved here, and a lot of it. Remember water is not just the clear sparkling ocean water we see on TV commercials advertising the latest resort. It is also the murky swamp. The ruler of the Solar Return is Neptune and Neptune is conjunct Cheney’s Solar Return Sun in the 11th house of groups and associations and friends. Deception rules here, how and in what way, I can’t say; Cheney deceiving others, others deceiving Cheney, maybe Mr. Cloak and Dagger is having the wool pulled over his eyes in one way or another. That is certainly not unheard of in the double cross, triple cross, who knows who is doing what to who and for what purpose, world Mr. Richard Cheney inhabits. With Solar Return Mars and Pluto conjoining the 10th house cusp of the Solar Return chart a possible change of career is in the works, or a possible leadership role, beyond what Cheney is now experiencing, is in the offering for him. Surely anger and aggression and determination and ruthlessness will play a role in his public life, career wise, and also in how the public views him. My guess is that Dick Cheney may very possibly become President of the United States in the next 1-2 years or, conversely, leave the scene of politics and Washington DC altogether. He may go home to Nebraska and live off his Halliburton money or perhaps pass to another realm altogether, where he and the dark lord can chit chat on a one to one basis, up close and personal, as it where. I’m sure they will have a lot to say to each other, and can spend the time comparing notes. Who gathered the most chits, is debatable.
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Brilliant Isabelle, comparing Cheney to Sauron. I never thought of that but it is so apt. One of my biggest fears has been that he would become president. So I worry about that coming to pass. However should that happen, I can see how it might be a benefit. He doesn't have the adoration that follows the shrub, in fact he is quite a disliked human being. There could conceiveably be a loss of cooperation for his administration and perhaps his evil vision could be stopped. He has made so many enemies that he doesn't know how to stop, and that could abort anything he tried to accomplish for the dark side. Posted by: M. on January 4, 2005 05:59 AMAhhh, Captain Sally, I have to say that your reference to The American Sauron and Mordor amused me to no end. How fitting. I can only hope that the ultimate outcome is not that he becomes President. Although, on 2nd thought, that would mean that Bush was out (for whatever reason, Tecumseh's curse or prison)... Nope, still not an option. Posted by: aq_rising on January 4, 2005 06:08 AMHey, wait - why was the article signed by Sally (which I saw as I was posting) but the header said Isabelle? Sorry if I slighted anyone...both of you get big kudos from me. Posted by: aq_rising on January 4, 2005 06:11 AMSauron. Darth Vader. Yep. Can I add Lex Luthor to the list? I can just imagine Cheney and Rove huddled in a back room of the White House, snickering that they are the "greatest criminal minds of our time." Sally, I would encorage you to take a look at the Mars/Uranus happenings coming up in the spring. I suspect that those events will impact Bush and Cheney in a big way. It might give us a clue. Great work once again!!! Posted by: Dave on January 4, 2005 09:28 AMGood Lord! Dick "Chicanery" as president! Wait a minute, he is the president and this would just make it official. You know the joke, Bush is just a heartbeat away from the presidency. Trish Posted by: Patricia on January 4, 2005 12:14 PMUgly picture, Isabelle but the possibilities have existed since this pack of hyenas ascended on the scene. I've also pictured Rove and Cheney cozied in a corner and plotting the next move, Dave. Wonder what the comparison chart reveals? Could it be that one is the downfall of the other? Who stabs who in the back first? karen Posted by: farrout on January 4, 2005 02:43 PMRight on! This is one of my favorite astrology sites. Keep up the good work, Sally. Also, can somebody do a brief interpretation for a person born on January 7, 1961 in Pierre, South Dakota. Sorry, no birth time available. Look at the chart, then I'll tell you who it is. This person is a political figure who has been appearing alot in the news, but whose name you might not recognize. Posted by: Dave on January 4, 2005 05:30 PMDave your friend is a Capricorn and will have a slow but sure climb in life. His popularity would have been set off about a year ago and will be continue to climb through the next 7 years at least. He's very grounded, detail oriented with solid ideas, can be a know it all because he does know alot but needs to be careful how he expresses that. Honesty is a god to him and integrity is usually a hallmark of Capricorns (however they will place it aside for money from time to time, or if not place it aside, justify.) Looking at this chart (without birthtime) gives a very balanced feeling, the kind of person who can initiate practical solutions to emotional problems, such as Social Security or foreign aid, he probably does relate to how other people feel and takes those feelings and concerns of the masses and translates them into realistic solutions. If he's a politician he just may be one of the good guys. Posted by: Sally on January 4, 2005 06:17 PMDave, my guess is Bernard Kerick. Posted by: Mark on January 4, 2005 06:49 PMJohn Thune. The guy who displaced Daschle. Heard him on the radio this morning. Very very very fundamentalist conservative. And a smooth talker too, kinda like John Edwards. I've seen him on TV a ton, and he's starting to freak me out. I've gotten a vibe from him that he's being groomed for a high position. Posted by: Dave on January 4, 2005 06:57 PMOne way Cheney might become president ;and maybe Bush wasn't being prompted during those debates after all; and he really needs all those vacations... PHOTOS Show George W. Bush Seriously Ill Physically http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2004/12/1707988.php Isabelle, I absolutely loved this article. Not because of your comparison of Mr. Cheney to Sauron or anything, but because it was not only so well-written, but -- for a newbie like me -- very, very informative. I will enjoy reading and re-reading this again and again. Thank you for all your work. Posted by: Jonathan on January 4, 2005 07:34 PMTsunami coming here is to wobble the US economy and make dollar very weak under bush policies in Isabelle, grat article. I just went to the sf.indymedia.org site and it is true. Herr Bush has defibrillator on in the pictures. Bush did not have a radio package during the debates. It was not a pretzle that almost killed him! As it stands, we have two very sick men running the country. Isabelle, we want you back on our radio show in CT, hope to hear from you. My email has changed to radioastrologer@yahoo.com, Bill Posted by: on January 5, 2005 12:17 AMI just finished reading "What's the Matter with Kansas." It's a great book and I highly recommend it. I have noticed a number of liberal books converging around a similar thesis. We all have a pretty good idea of what is going on with rural voters, evangelicals, Republican ideologues, big business, oil, religion, and the whole lot of them. What frustrates me is the absence of any good suggestions from the left on how to overcome all this. Clearly, there is a great deal of apocalyptic millenialism in the Republican party right now. Clearly working class voters are not voting their economic interests and are being distracted by social issues. Clearly, big oil and big business have forged an alliance with religious fundamentalism. Clearly, the south and the midwest are now solidly Republican. Clearly, the tendencies of the Republican movement are creeping towards fascism. We all know these things, whether they are written down in books or not. I think that the analysis of the problem has gone far enough. We know what's wrong. We have a fairly accurate descriptive picture of what is happening with the other side. We have a reasonably good idea of why the country is shifting rightward, what policies, actions, and behaviors are causing this shift, and the dynamics that are in play. So we need some solutions. What exactly do we do about it all? Surely there must be historical examples of societies that were headed along this path but managed to avert disaster. Surely there is a theory or a precedent for getting ourselves out of this mess, individually, collectively, globally. I guess I'm feeling frustrated because there seems to be a great deal of descriptive analysis of our country's situation, but not enough prescriptive analysis for what to do about it. Anybody have any thoughts? Posted by: Dave on January 5, 2005 12:42 AMOne idea: Cut back on consumption of commodities, and transform the desire into creative thought. And if I may: The recent earthquake , as you know, shifted the earth's axis slightly and altered time. This could very well be a true shift in collective consciousness. jm, good advice BTW, I'm almost done with my law school applications everybody. I'll be transmitting them tonight and mailing anything else that needs to go out in the morning. Whew! I'm almost done. Posted by: Dave on January 5, 2005 01:47 AMI have been feeling very "other worldly" for the past few days....really "disconnected". I have gotten out forgotten musical instruments and revived a once intended art project. I do feel very odd. Posted by: Pat C on January 5, 2005 02:41 AMOut from under the bed for a brief supply run. Way to go Dave!!!!! Hope you make it to the SCOTUS someday. Posted by: shylurker on January 5, 2005 02:59 AMDave, have you been reading Ted Rall? http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=127&e=1&u=/ucru/20050105/cm_ucru/whatsthematterwithmanhattan As for the shift of the earth....I have lived in this rented house for 5 years, and until the 12/29 earthquake in Indonesia, the garage has flooded with every rain. Part of the garage floor is cracked and higher than the other side, and I usually end up with a couple of inches of water in the lower part. After the earthquake, it started to rain in the Bay Area, and it was a few days later that I realized that despite the continued rain, THERE WAS NO WATER IN MY GARAGE. And several days later, still no rain water in the garage. However, the topography of the driveway has changed, and there is a slight dome on the driveway, the the crack there has widened. The water appears to now be running away from the garage rather than into it....behind the garage I can see a large puddle....the earth shapeshifted ! They said the earth ran like a bell from that quake, and it did a little home remodel here in So. SF.... Posted by: Judi Gemini on January 5, 2005 03:11 AMSeriously, though...what to do about consumerism....get by on less than you think you need. Use will power...find new things that are important rather than the rat race of buying....even going to the supermarket for food is about spending more than we have....it is how we have been 'conditioned'....and of course, I work in advertising and have a part in doing the dirty work....for which I get paid little and so I have to really be careful of how I spend. Didn't used to be that way when I was making $125K a year in fashion business and paying 48% back to Reagan's government.... hmmmmm...no wonder my rednecked cousin the rancher called me a communist pinko latte lovin vegetarian liberal. Posted by: JudiGem on January 5, 2005 03:19 AMGreat articles this week by Sally and Isabelle. Thanks for your continued insightful [genius] work. Here is some comforting words from Kryon, who is channeled by Lee Carroll, re the tsunami. Part of the Human process is to honor and cherish life in general. One of the themes of Kryon from the beginning is that when these things happen, the earth changes, and therefore those that pass over, and immediately come back, do so with the understanding of helping the planet in ways we cannot do in life. Honestly, very few want to die to help planet Earth. We all wish to STAY and help planet Earth. Part of the duality of our existence is not knowing consciously which way you have given permission to help. So, bless these who, at some level, knew the potentials of this and gave permission to leave. But right now, bless those of us who cry for them all. Just a little comic relief for those who are enjoying the "play" staring the US Government. http://www.guardian.co.uk/tsunami/story/0,15671,1383549,00.html Posted by: Sally on January 5, 2005 06:22 AMYes. " the rat race freakin' freeforall capitalist dream." It's really just a prelude to the nightmare of maintenance. Posted by: jm on January 5, 2005 07:47 AMAnd it really amazes me how latte, a wonderful, milky, caffeine-laced, sweet concoction, has become such an emotionally-laden horrid, insulting word. Words, man. Posted by: jm on January 5, 2005 07:56 AMWhen minority people had no access to mainstream media and ways of persuasion, they created their own stuff and circulated it around so that others may read/listen/learn. Eventually, enough people read, heard, and saw the stuff and changed minds. Posted by: Carol on January 5, 2005 12:01 PMPatC, I've had the "weirdness feeling" going on too- it's a kind of discombobulation. Posted by: Peg on January 5, 2005 01:27 PMDave et al: I too am a diheartened liberal who is gaping with wonder over the election. I think Ted Rall's article is right on- but I further believe someone has to and WILL emerge that begins to define "moral issues" in a way that brings back even some of the evangelical voters (ie, the morality of tolerance, idealism, world order, cooperation, peacefulness, true compassion). Watch for Barak Obama- a real powerhouse with brilliance and charisma and ambition. DOES ANYONE HAVE A BIRTHDATE/TIME/PLACE for BARAK OBAMA??? I believe Bush and/or Cheney is going to lead us into such chaos and despair that both the Republican (ultra-right versus Arnold) and the Democratic (Dean/Obama versus Hillary/Clark) parties are going to splinter in 2008, with four major candidates running (the Dems will overlook Dean for Part Chair at their own peril)for president. Just an intuitive hunch. Any other ideas??? I LOVE THIS SITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Posted by: Steve on January 5, 2005 02:33 PMDave et al: I too am a diheartened liberal who is gaping with wonder over the election. I think Ted Rall's article is right on- but I further believe someone has to and WILL emerge that begins to define "moral issues" in a way that brings back even some of the evangelical voters (ie, the morality of tolerance, idealism, world order, cooperation, peacefulness, true compassion). Watch for Barak Obama- a real powerhouse with brilliance and charisma and ambition. DOES ANYONE HAVE A BIRTHDATE/TIME/PLACE for BARAK OBAMA??? I believe Bush and/or Cheney is going to lead us into such chaos and despair that both the Republican (ultra-right versus Arnold) and the Democratic (Dean/Obama versus Hillary/Clark) parties are going to splinter in 2008, with four major candidates running (the Dems will overlook Dean for Part Chair at their own peril)for president. Just an intuitive hunch. Any other ideas??? I LOVE THIS SITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Posted by: Steve on January 5, 2005 02:34 PMGood find Judi Gemini!!! I finished my apps last night. My mother is pressuring me to apply to SMU but I really don't want to go. Up next: get a clerk position at a law firm. Hmmm. Getting by with less is a good way to resist the system. Perhaps when we do need certain things, we should buy from alternative sources that don't just feed the capitalist machine. Seriously now, we need an alternative to capitalism that is adaptable to mass culture. Posted by: Dave on January 5, 2005 05:09 PMHey, JM, steve, et al....you have no idea how all the Rushphrazes of Invective I quoted above hurt coming from a blood relative (I'm naive about that, being an only child and not experiencing dissenting opinions from siblings!)....little did I know that this 1st cousin was such a die hard Rushpublican and that he thought little of the spiritual consequences of hurling such bile at me (it isn't so much the words as the anger and satisfaction he got from hurling them). Last Jan he had a massive gallstone attack and had to have his gall bladder removed. (Does this happen to people who "have a lot of gall"?) a month later another friend who was a repug had the same thing happen to him....(they were both ex-Navy, co-incidently). My friend and his wife actually ended up, 10 months later, voting for Kerry!!!! He had all of his "gall" removed, too!!! hahahaha. I do believe that the human race is headed for a massive, overwhelming 'enlightenment'.....and these events are happening in a time in which every thing is known immediately around the world....another form of mass enlightenment. And check out Molly Ivins column today (I don't have a link) on the Rethugs continued Moral Decay re DeLay, Hastert and the rules changes on Ethics ..... I really believe that when a group of people, or just ONE person, goes out of their way to point fingers at others in a totally judgemental way, eventually the consequences of such actions insures that those same accusations come roaring back on them (not unlike the returning wave of a tsunami). I am thinking that it can't be long before the tide of such Moral Hubris returns and engulfs those of the Rethug party who have ensured that such invective has been able to destroy others. I think that this is where the astrological part comes in....when does the tide 'turn'? Posted by: Judi Gem on January 5, 2005 05:13 PMPS....on alternatives: Catherine Austin Fitts and Solari (http://www.solari.com) are addressing this, and here is the latest email on it: TO THE SOLARI ACTION NETWORK For those of you participating in "Not One Damn Dime" Day by not spending any money on the day of the US inauguration, remember the opportunity to vote with your money will include not leaving it on deposit with the people who are financing what you oppose. If your money is sitting deposited in one of the banks that is running the US government on a corrupt basis, your money will be working for your enemies and not for you. Leaving your money in Citibank on inaugural day is as good as financing the inaugural ball. The dimes continue to trickle into Solari in support of the "My Dimes are Powerful" campaign. In today were two dimes with the following message: "Catherine, enclosed are 2 dimes for my wife and myself
A powerful New Year's Resoution -- vote with our money today and every day! Catherine For more, see: Where Would Jesus Bank? Solari Circles Campaign Dave....where would you LIKE to go with your apps? Just see where it is you want to be and make it a really clear picture...with you in it. Or ask where you should be to assist your path in life....see if you can bring in the people you need to get you there. good luck....good timing.....! Posted by: judi gemini on January 5, 2005 05:22 PMJudi Gemini, Is this the Molly link you're talking about? The Conyers Report: What Went Wrong in Ohio Judi Gemini, You are one of the inspired folks on this site. I love reading about people’s psychic or unusual happens in their lives as well as the astrology. Here is an idea that came to me that takes in the Earth movement and unusually stronger energy that Pat C mentioned.
OK guys - this is spooky!!! I went back to past articles on this site to find out when the tsunami news first hit. I found this post by Jean - posted BEFORE the tsunami: I have an email friend that is getting vibes that just something bad is gonna happen. She sent a similar email the night before 9/11. Hers was not detailed in any way. I will send her yours to see if it effects her. Jill...how weird you would bring up the cranial thing...about 10 years ago I developed TMJ and picked a dentist in Redwood City to go to....and that is how he treated me, with cranial manipulation, etc....Mark Abramson is his name, and he was involved (or is) with this whole thing. I never had to have the extreme thing done...breaking and resetting the jaw. He contributed alot to my health and spiritual growth! Posted by: Judi Gem on January 5, 2005 07:27 PMSuzieLiberal thanks for remembering and making avaliable that post from Jean. I remember that post, but that was before I forgot about it! Does go to show that we have quite amazing folks here at A-World! Thanks again Sally for making this available. Hope folks remember what it takes to keep our "ship" afloat and send donations to support the site........ BTW - Over at DU several posters have indicated receiving an email from Kerry. Link to the board: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=238457&mesg_id=238457 Later, KM Posted by: KM on January 5, 2005 07:28 PMCaptain Sally and all the contributing astrologers as well as us posters...we are, in our own way, contributing to the growth of the planet consciousness just by opening up our own consciousnesses to others....if it saves our "sanity" then it is saving others.... Posted by: Judi Gem on January 5, 2005 07:30 PMAnybody have any thoughts? IMHO, I believe the important thing to do now is to go back to "nature" wherever we can. Given the current political, corporate and mega wealthy, we can no longer trust our energy or food sources. I'm having my realtor look for a property with a well, fireplaces and at least 5 acres. My husband thought I was nuts until I explained that I just want to create an "out" if we need it. Just look at how corporate america is trying to pass tort reform. Once they do we are all in big trouble. I think we have to recondition ourselves to not expect everything to be easy and instant. Our world has changed and the bad guys are now in control and they could give a rats about us. That may sound very tinfoil hattie but as my mother (god bless her soul) use to say, "always leave yourself an out kiddo." Posted by: Abilene on January 5, 2005 07:43 PMIt looks like the bad guys who don't give a rats ass are in control. It is, I believe, an illusion, a bubble waiting to be burst. Which makes me a Pollyanna OR a Cassandra, not sure which, maybe both! Abilene, at least you seem to have resources to have an out... I am left to working on some level other than the physical at this point!!! Posted by: Judi Gem on January 5, 2005 08:06 PMWell...just read the latest Josh Marshall http://www.vrbo.com/31347 entry about support for Tim Roemer as DNC leader.... http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/ ANd Nancy Pelosi supports this? Ooohhhh...we are going down the rabbit hole now!!!!!!!! Posted by: Judi Gem on January 5, 2005 08:17 PMIgnore the vibro url...I have NO IDEA how that came up, I am using my daughter's computer and don't even know what it is....sorry Posted by: Judi Gem on January 5, 2005 08:19 PMI can't believe John Kerry is not showing up tomorrow. : ( Posted by: Mark on January 5, 2005 08:39 PMAlong the lines of the animals surviving the tsunami - "five indigenous tribes on the Indian archipelago of Andaman and Nicobar islands survived the tsunami that hit the Asian coastline Dec. 26." I read a book by Doreen Virtue and she mentions that aligning your vibration with the earth's vibration will allow you to become more psychic. She gives things you can do everyday to help acomplish this - one is to stand barefoot on the earth everyday. Also - change your diet and stop eating meat, sugar, etc. I had a reading with Audra - trained by Doreen Virtue - and she was amazing!!! (link: http://www.12house.com/home/readings.cfm ) It seems the more "civilized" we become - the further we move from the earth's vibration. Maybe this tsunami is trying to tell us something??? Animals survive, ancient tribes survive??? Posted by: SuzieLiberal on January 5, 2005 09:36 PMListen Mr. Kerry: You are a senator. YOU COULD STAND UP FOR AMERICA TOMORROW! You could stand up with John Conyers and challenge the results of the Ohio election. It may not make you president. But it will preserve the foundation of American democracy. Sincerely, Not One Damn Dime Day - Jan 20, 2005
On "Not One Damn Dime Day" those who oppose what is happening in our name in Iraq can speak up with a 24-hour national boycott of all forms of consumer spending. During "Not One! Damn Dime Day" please don't spend money. Not one damn dime for gasoline. Not one damn dime for necessities or for impulse purchases. Not one damn dime for nothing for 24 hours. On "Not One Damn Dime Day," please boycott Wal-Mart, Kmart, Target... Please don't go to the mall or the local convenience store. Please don't buy any fast food (or any groceries at all for that matter). For 24 hours, please do what you can to shut the retail economy down. The object is simple. Remind the people in power that the war in Iraq is immoral and illegal; that they are responsible for starting it and that it is their responsibility to stop it. "Not One Damn Dime Day" is to remind them, too, that they work for the people of the United States of America, not for the international corporations and K Street lobbyists who represent the corporations and funnel cash into American politics. "Not One Damn Dime Day" is about supporting the troops. The politicians put the troops in harm's way. Now 1,200 braveyoung Americans and (some estimate) 100,000 Iraqis have died. The politicians owe our troops a plan - a way to come home. There's no rally to attend. No marching to do. No left or right wing agenda to rant about. On "Not One Damn Dime Day" you take action by doing nothing. You open your mouth by keeping your wallet closed. For 24 hours, nothing gets spent, not one damn dime, to remind our religious leaders and our politicians of their moral responsibility to end the war in Iraq and give America back to the people. Before we start crucifying John Kerry for not being there tomorrow, consider this. If he were in the Senate when one of his Democrat colleagues stood up with Rep. Conyers to contest the Election and the Ohio Electors, the story would be more about him and less about the formal Contesting of the Election. The MSM (mainstream media) would blow Kerry and his reaction (or non-reaction) to the whole "fiasco" way out of proportion and leave the real story -- the contesting of the Ohio Electors -- in the dust. To go to Iraq, though, to get Kerry's reaction to the happenings in the Senate at home gives Kerry an amazing opportunity to not only remove himself from the flame-throwers at home, but to also frame his responses in a very Presidential way eg. surrounded by the troops, etc. Kerry is much more brilliant than, I suspect, many of us here (no offense). Please give him the benefit of the doubt before you start piling your invective on him. He may just have a couple of aces (not to mention bombshells) under those sleeves of his. Just my two cents. :-) By the way, all this is happening around 1 PM tomorrow in the Senate. The Moon is V/C at 1:29 PM and then enters Sag at 10:44 that night. Any thoughts? Or has this already been covered? Posted by: Jonathan on January 5, 2005 10:28 PMThe pain of the people is palpable over Kerry's absence. From William: I am ashamed of you and of this party for putting you up for election. But the choice was between you and fascism. So I really had no choice. I campaigned for you, I contributed to your campaign, I bled for you, I cried for you. But you turned out to be a sniveling coward. You make me ashamed to be an American, when you should have made me proud. You seem so impressed with your stentorian impression of someone who matters that you, in the end, do not matter. You are a coward. You had no right to concede the election, your only right was to concede your own vote. You had no right to concede mine. You let your thieving fraternity brother steal our election and destroy our country. Is that the pledge you made in college? You are a coward. Believe me, nobody who voted for you cares about you one whit. You're not worth a damn. But we do care about our democracy, and we will prevail somehow in spite of you. William.... Posted by: Pat C on January 5, 2005 10:29 PMYour point is valid Jonathan. I still think he and Edwards should be there though. Posted by: Pat C on January 5, 2005 10:32 PMAnd I respectfully disagree, Pat C. Isn't America wonderful when two people can disagree and neither one is wrong? :-) I still believe for Kerry to be there when the sh*t hits the fan would be, for lack of better word due to be overtired, wrong. Let's just let tomorrow play out and see what happens. Peace. Posted by: Jonathan on January 5, 2005 10:52 PMThe stakes are so high in this game against this administration, and the future of our country is in question. Every move is weighty. I don't think any one of us is really qualified to judge the actions, yet, and decide about strategic moves. Kerry might be doing the right thing...we don't know. We don't have all the facts, and a lot of the behavior is ambiguous now. It is a tense moment. Dear Members of the U.S. Senate, Welcome back! The 109th session of Congress has just begun. I'm watching you on C-SPAN right now and you all look so snap-happy and clean-faced. It's like the first day of school all over again, isn't it? I have a favor to ask of you. Something isn't right with the vote from Ohio. Seems a lot of people didn't get to vote. And those who did, thousands of theirs weren't counted. Does that seem right to you? I'm just asking. Forget about partisan politics for a moment and ask yourself if there is a more basic right, in a democracy, than the right of the people to vote AND have ALL their votes counted. Now, I know a lot of you wish this little problem of Ohio would just go away. And many of you who wish this are Democrats. You just want to move on (no pun intended!). I can't say I blame you. It's rough to lose two elections in a row when the first one you actually won and the second one you should have won. And it seems this time around, about 3 million more Americans preferred to continue the war in Iraq and give the rich more tax breaks than those who didn't. No sense living in denial about that. But something isn't right in Ohio and more than a dozen members of the House of Representatives believe it is worth investigating. So on Thursday at 1:00pm, Rep. John Conyers of Detroit will rise and object to the vote count in Ohio. According to the laws of this land, he will not be allowed to speak unless at least one of you -- one member of the United States Senate -- agrees to let him have the floor. A very embarrassing moment during the last session of Congress occurred in the first week when none of you would allow the members of Congress who were black to have the floor to object to the Florida vote count. Remember that? You thought no one would ever notice, didn't you? You certainly lucked out that night when the networks decided not to show how you shut down every single member of the Congressional Black Caucus. No such luck this year. Everyone now knows about that moment of shame. Thank you? You're welcome. But this Thursday, at 1:00pm, you will have a chance to redeem yourself. Congressman Conyers and a dozen other members of Congress have some serious questions about how the Republican secretary of state in Ohio (who was also the state's co-chair of Bush's reelection campaign) conducted the election on November 2. The list of possible offenses of how voters were denied access to the polls and how over a hundred thousand of their votes have yet to be counted is more than worthy of your consideration. It may not change the outcome, but you have a supreme responsibility to make sure that EVERY vote is counted. Who amongst you would disagree with that? If you would like to read more about the specific charges, I ask that you read these two links: "Senators Should Object to Ohio Vote" -by Jesse Jackson and "Ten Preliminary Reasons Why the Bush Vote Does Not Compute, and Why Congress Must Investigate Rather Than Certify the Electoral College". I am asking everyone on my mailing list to send you a letter joining me in this call to you to do your job and investigate what happened before you certify the vote. It only takes one member of the House and one member of the Senate to stop the acceptance of the Electoral College vote and force a legitimate debate and investigation. Do you know why this provision is set in stone in our nation's laws? I mean, why would we allow just two officials in a body of 535 members to throw a wrench into the works? The law exists because nothing is more sacred than the integrity of the ballot box and if there is ANY possibility of fraud or incompetence, then it MUST be addressed. Because if we don't have the vote, what are we left with? C'mon Senators! Especially you Democrats. Here is your one shining moment of courage. Will you allow the gavel to come down on our black members of Congress once again? Or will you stand up for their right to object? We will all be watching. Yours, www.michaelmoore.com MMFlint@aol.com Posted by: Pat C on January 5, 2005 11:28 PMPat C....where is Edwards going to be? Posted by: Judi Gem on January 5, 2005 11:33 PMJM...I agree. Posted by: on January 5, 2005 11:35 PMSelf-Portrait with Shackles for the Year 2005 Here we are, because time has some of the qualities of a tsunami, deposited in 2005, whether we like it or not. As the year changed, nature trumped the Bush administration in an appropriately, if horrifyingly Biblical way, with a preemptive strike against shorelines jammed with rich tourists and poor peasants alike. And even in the midst of the collective horror, much of what the Bush administration is, much of whom we now are becoming, showed through unbecomingly. Only one small spot in the vast Indian Ocean basin "seems to have received full advanced warning of the waves to come -- the ostensibly British island of Diego Garcia, which is actually a sizeable U.S. military base, a stationary "aircraft carrier" for the war in Iraq. It also houses "Camp Justice," one of the secret little hideaway resorts the administration has set up, or contracted out for, on prime global real estate to hold "high value" prisoners in the war on terror. The camp, named by someone who must have had a yen for the Orwellian, is part of an offshore Bermuda Triangle of injustice set up by the Bush administration -- two interlinked prison systems, in fact; one run by the Pentagon and the other by the CIA, both meant to keep prisoners and practices far from the prying eyes of th! e American public and its court system; both, as it now turns out, anchored in that jewel-in-the-crown, Guantanamo (or Gitmo to devotees) -- a grim prison camp set up on territory in Cuba that is close at hand, U.S.-controlled, and yet -- or so Bush officials hoped until the Supreme Court ruled otherwise last year -- beyond the reach of our courts. More at http://www.tomdispatch.com/ Posted by: Judi Gemini on January 6, 2005 12:18 AMI went to my State Senators' pages and sent emails about tomarrow. I'm going to be real upset if no Senator stands up tomarrow with Rep John Conyers to invalidate the election and start all the debate concerning voter fraud in Ohio. I AM ADDING AN EMAIL I RECEIVED FROM ONE OF OUR
Mr. Gonzales, a former Enron attorney, is the author of a January 25, 2002 memo to Mr. Bush giving his legal opinion that prisoners taken in a war zone are not really prisoners of war, and therefore they can be tortured. A handful of privates and non-commissioned officers are facing trial and jail time now for following through on this very un-American idea. We were told that the atrocities at Abu Ghraib were committed by "a few bad apples," as though the American public would buy the notion that privates set policy for the Army. They don't. The enlisted troops just get scapegoated when the scandal breaks, while the Big Bad Apple at the top gets in line for Attorney General. Mr. Gonzales does not touch on why anyone would want to use torture--morals aside, intelligence experts and common-sense everyday people both know that most torture victims would tell any story their tormenter wanted to hear. Just look at the fantastic acts people confessed to in Salem. The State Department and senior military officers reacted in horror to Mr. Gonzales' memo. With the short-sighted confidence of the bully, it apparently didn't occur to Mr. G that crossing the torture line not only gives us no intelligence advantage but also greatly increases the risk to our troops and civilians all over the world. If you don't care whether a foreigner is tortured in an American-run prison--if national honor or even "do unto others..." means nothing to you, you might want to read over the remarks Mr. Gonzales made to the American Bar Association Standing Committee on Law and National Security on February 24, 2004. In this speech Mr. Gonzales outlines the unilateral right of the president to declare any U.S. citizen an "enemy combatant." Now we have a president, George W. Bush (who like all presidents has sworn to defend the Constitution of the United States) nominating for Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales--a man who openly supports torture, secret arrests and long-term detentions with no hearings, even for U.S. citizens. Let's allow Mr. Gonzales to explain himself publicly--a favor he doesn't allow his suspects: "The President's legal authority to detain American citizens as enemy combatants is, in my view, clear." "While courts may review (by habeas corpus) the Executive's determination that an American citizen (whether captured abroad or on U.S. soil) is an enemy combatant, that review must be deferential...a factual review of the President's determination can extend no further than ensuring that it has evidentiary support." Mr. Gonzales goes on to assure his audience that before they imprison a citizen without a trial they think about it very, very carefully. We don't know how that went over with the American Bar Association, but we're pretty sure that Mr. Jefferson, Mr. Hamilton, Mr. Madison, Mr. Franklin, Mr. Adams, Mr. Henry, General Washington, and their colleagues would not have received it well. The gentlemen of the Enlightenment who founded the United States disagreed on many points. But on one subject they were in total agreement and that was mistrust of government. They designed our constitution to provide a workable framework for the business of government, while preventing abuse of power. It has worked pretty well over the years. Every president and every federal officer swears an oath to protect the Constitution of the United States, which contains a number of radical ideas. For example, according to the Constitution, the police can't walk into your house and search unless they have a specific warrant issued. If you are accused of a crime you have the right to a speedy and public trial and the assistance of counsel. Cruel or unusual punishments are unconstitutional. "It's a free country," as people used to say. But we don't hear that saying anymore, do we? Are we good enough--and smart enough--to live in a free country in 2005? A lot may depend on whether we are good enough and smart enough to refuse the Attorney General's job to Alberto Gonzales. The Democratic ........'s Club of ................ County strongly opposes the nomination of Mr. Gonzales as Attorney General.
Well, if it's not all a bunch of "hoo-hah" folks at DU who've been calling Senators are getting the impression that the Senators are hearing them. (I faxed every one of the Dem Senators plus Hastert, Frist and McCain with a letter asking them to allow a proper investigation and real remediation of voting problems). Whew!!!! And there are some shortcuts out there but I didn't trust them so I just did it myself. Plus that way I could personalize each letter. I agree with Jonathan and jm -- although I have no expectation re: outcome -- have seen many challengers (especially in "banana republics" go offshore to a "safe haven" while issue is unraveled at home by the people and gov't allies........or is that my selective memory again? Judi, I don't know where he is going to be. Posted by: Pat C on January 6, 2005 12:47 AMI am stealing this quote from Claudia's Star Cats page on the charts for the new year.... Here is the letter Nancy wrote. "Dear John Kerry, I can't believe that after all this time and all the times the Republicans have shown their true colors that you think that calling Hastert and Frist, even if 10 million people called them, would have any effect whatsoever. The Republicans, and only the Republicans, have gained from all the voting irregularities. Most of the country is unaware of that. The Republicans cheated in a hundred small and large ways, creating a death of sorts for the Democrats by a thousand cuts. They now firmly control all three branches of government, and no one can tell how much of that is from their fraudulent behavior. Senator Frist and Congressman Hastert will do everything in their power to squash any investigation. It saddens me to think that you think contacting them is the answer. The only answer, the only possibility that exists right now of getting through to Americans, is to contest the Ohio electors and make a stink on Thursday. It is a small window of opportunity to make big headlines and get the pundits talking. We need our people to be ready to talk on TV and educate the people as to what has really happened. The primary goal here is to have a paper trail on every voting machine in the country and a mandated recount when the exit polls don't match the voting tallies. Let us not forget this goal. The other important goal is to highlight all the voter intimidation and unfair suppression of vote used by the Republicans with impunity. To succeed in these goals we need a ton of loud publicity, and to do that we need to make a stink tomorrow. We need on Senator who has the courage to stand forth and make noise, so that the pundits and the news shows carry the story. Otherwise this election will follow the last three into the dustbin of history. Yours sincerely, Nancy...." Posted by: Pat C on January 6, 2005 12:57 AMhttp://www.thepen.us/contest.html Posted by: Pat C on January 6, 2005 01:11 AMOne the one hand, I think John Kerry probably has a good reason for staying out of the Ohio fraud mess for now. On the other hand, I find it incredibly hyporcitical that he would ask US to take a stand against the Republicans when he will not do so himself or find another senator who will. Very cowardly. If Kerry truly beleives what's in his letter, he will find a way to make a HUGE stink about Ohio. And he's right that this isn't about overturning the results. It's about making sure that we have a transparent voting system and that every vote counts. We need a senator to stand up and fight. On the Gonzales issue, I heard a debate on NPR this morning about Speedy GonTorture. Now one would think that the moral values crowd would be ver interested in the AG appointment, given that crowd's obsession with gay rights and abortions and assisted suicide and the death penalty. The AG, like the president and the Supreme Court, has an enormous impact on these matters. Is Alberto Gonzales what the moral values crowd had in mind? Gonzales is known for two major "accomplishments" in his career. The first is of course the torture memos which he helped author. The second, which is detailed in an Atlantic Monthly article from last year, is his systematic supression of exculpatory evidence for death penalty cases in Texas during George Bush's term as governor. There are dozens upon dozens of documented cases where Gonzales withheld information from George W. Bush in cases where Bush could have offered clemency to those facing the death penalty. Now we're not just talking about biographical data that might lead a governor to reconsider a death sentenece, we're talking about DNA evidence, eyewitness testimonials, evidence of incompetent counsel, and other peices of information that would have proved beyond all possible doubt the defendant's innocence or that there had been a serious breech of justice or a mistrial. Gonzales withheld this information repeatedly, resulting in dozens of executions of people we now KNOW -I repeat !!!KNOW!!!- were innocent. This Gonzales guy is an amateur Mussolini. His nomination for AG should be resisted as if he were the real thing. Posted by: Dave on January 6, 2005 01:24 AMAs this article suggests the Dems including Kerry could take a page from Shirley Chisholm's motto http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0105-35.htm Oh I loved Shirley Chisholm. She was wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. Meantine.... http://www.nashuaadvocate.blogspot.com Breaking News: Election 2004: Boston's "Rally for the Republic" Draws Hundreds; Keynote Speaker David Lytel States Senator Boxer Will Contest Election At a Monday-night rally in Boston's Fanueil Hall which drew hundreds of highly-energized progressive protestors, one of the evening's keynote speakers, RedefeatBush.com's David Lytel, asserted that Senator Barbara Boxer of California will in fact contest the results of the presidential election in Ohio along with, at a minimum, U.S. House Representative Stephanie Tubbs-Jones (D-OH). While in comments after the rally Mr. Lytel would not state with precision the source of his information -- which the News Editor, present to report on said rally, notes Lytel provided without any qualification whatsoever -- he did confirm to a worker from Massachusetts C.A.S.E. (Citizens' Alliance for Secure Elections) that he had been in direct, personal contact with Representative Tubb-Jones herself. Senator Boxer has stated through a spokesperson, within the last week, that she was "considering" filing a written challenge to the November election and would be substantially more likely to do so if a U.S. Representative from Ohio were also to challenge the Ohio results. The News Editor understands, based on information received at the rally, that Senator Boxer and Representative Tubbs-Jones are on friendly terms even outside of their professional working relationship. More... Posted by: Pat C on January 6, 2005 02:09 AMDon't know if this was already posted but received this in an email from a friend. This interview almost makes it seem like Kerry has whimped out totally - lost in his own world of "why me?" .. I don't think he had or has what it would take to be a real leader - the guts and glory days seem to be behind him and I find that really sad. No hope left that he will come out swinging to fight against the votes lost in Ohio. I think what is left now is just "wishful thinking". http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/1/2/125014.shtml Posted by: Lara on January 6, 2005 02:25 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5096774-103677,00.html Posted by: wv on January 6, 2005 02:29 AMFellow Astroworlders, Be aware: DU had a coment on one of it's threads about the downward spiral thinking of freeper emails going around lately. No matter how poorly JK may appear to some he is still lightyears ahead of that scum*** named GWB who never served his country in times of war, was never was elected by the PEOPLE and has led the world into hopeless feelings. I feel sorry for whoever aligns themselves with that conciousness. How sad. Call it whatever you want. The continuum ranges from 'irregularities' We need to call an immediate halt to all avenues that lead to the "irregularities-fraud" continuum. We need votes cast by each of us on plainly designed ballots, readily available to eligible voters, to be placed in ballot boxes (in view of all present) that are opened once the voting has ended. We need a small group of certified, sworn counters to examine our ballots and count the votes we cast one-by-one, in view of all who wish to be present, and then dutifully recorded. We need those tallies sent to a central place for final tabulation and those tabulations, in detail, to be publicly posted for examination and to be certified by officials who are sworn to uphold the rights of voters (to freely cast votes and to have them counted accurately and fairly). And we need, sad to say, heavy penalties in place for any attempt to cause 'irregularities' and certainly 'fraud' in the voting process. We have lost that now. Chances for cheating have been exploited for a long time. Last presidential go-'round, the SCOTUS cast the final vote. This time, people are pleading with Senators to join with the Reps (primarily, the Black Caucus members) to challenge this latest "election" results. We, the people, are having to plead with our Senators to challenge the results of a voting "process" that is so flawed that it makes one tremble that it has come to pass. Ukraine was able to point to the differences between the exit polls and the "final" tabulations and get a re-election, but we are hooted here in the USA if we try to do that. So, tomorrow we will see if any of our Senators has the whatever-you-want-to-call it to stand up for what should be our right to a vote honestly cast and honestly counted. John Kerry isn't gonna do it. He's busy somewhere else on the planet. Others won't do it, so we are told, because of their concern about Israel or some other influence which concerns them more than what is happening in their own country, others are probably just too weak or incompetent to even think about it. Still others just don't think it's worth it or that it's kind of silly. What is wrong with this picture? This is our country! We are at the point where our votes do not count--regardless of what we cast, they will turn out however those in charge wish them to turn out. Last time it was the SCOTUS. This time, it seems to have been the machines (and some other repulsive tactics). If some of our Senators had whatever-it-takes to stand up tomorrow, they could force the Repugs to confirm our lack of free elections and coronate you-know-who. . What's wrong with our Senators? Why are they abandoning us? Why have they abandoned our right to vote and to have those votes counted accurately? Why are they blessing the "irregularities-fraud" continuum with their silence and excuses? We are losing America. Any hope, astrologers, for our Senators--even one--to join in the on-going fight for freedom? Posted by: shylurker on January 6, 2005 04:05 AMshylurker: I do think there is a potential of at least one Senator standing up, a good one, however with the final determination falling to the Congress (which is heavy GOP) there isn't much hope in changing the outcome unless there is a complete revolt and I don't see that in tomorrow's chart, however I do see unexpected anger with T Mars opposing the US Uranus and that always has the potential for volatile reactions. We have already lost the America we thought we had, turns out it wasn't ever what we thought except in our own minds. We do have a chance to truly make America into what we thought the dream was and the first place to start is putting our elected leaders on notice that we are watching everything. By a Senator standing up there will at least have to be a debate, and at least America (those paying attention) will know that Bush does not have a mandate and put a question in the minds of some whether he even won the election (again)It will for sure be a historic day, and I think it's a good thing that Kerry isn't there. Posted by: Sally on January 6, 2005 04:27 AMMany thanks, Captain Sally. I have no hopes of overturning the "results" of the recent stolection. I do have a goal, and that is to make our elections what they should be. And I have a further goal, and that is that those we do elect have the whatever-it-takes to stand, be brave, and protect, cherish, and fight for our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Whatever the sam-heck do they think they are there for, f'crying out loud? If you have to, tell me I'm an idiot. I can avoid dealing with that. I can always go back under the bed with Guido and Ouida Mae. Our lovely little Swan Lake does need seeing to: the lotus lillies are quite taking over. Hi, Mr. Mike! Peace. Posted by: shylurker on January 6, 2005 04:44 AMWow (in the 60's sense of the term), what a great bunch of electronic activists. people are really firing things off to their representatives. i will be at lafayette park and then capitol hill tomorrow. i'm not generally a 'go to meeting' type of buy but this time i'm REALLY PISSED OFF. 1/6/05 is all about ***VOTING RIGHTS*** it's not about overturning the election, although i wish it were. it's not about making kerry live up to our expectations; IT'S ALL ABOUT VOTING RIGHTS. these are our votes. i don't care if kerry is in iraq or australia. this is about having our votes counted, allowing everyone to vote, and stopping the blatant racism as evidenced in OH and FL, not to mention other parts of the country. i'll provide a capsule take on my impressions of the day (and my sore feet) after 9 EST. nite ps. a hot astrological time will be the exact moment the conyers speaks and the exact moment the first democrat stands up (oh, god, please make it Byrd) Posted by: mike on January 6, 2005 07:09 AMhad to share this gem, from col. david hackworth this is well worth the read. he is totally furiouis and people should watch out when that happens. he's quite effective. 01-03-2005 Hack's Target It Is Up to You And Me By David H. Hackworth Considering the hits we keep taking in our global fight against terrorism, I’m gearing up in ‘05 to go up against the Pentagon’s increasingly out-of-control campaign to keep us all conned. The cover-ups track too often with more names added to the U.S. casualty list.
So here's my New Year’s resolution: to keep countering Pentagon lies with the truth until enough concerned citizens demand that Congress set up a congressional investigative arm to formally expose the liars and hold them accountable.
For almost six decades, I’ve borne witness to scuzzy machinations that had little or nothing to do with America’s national security. And because of them, I’ve watched my beloved country become enmeshed in far too many blood-splattered military misadventures only because they were good for Pentagon business. I’ve seen trillions of dollars allocated for gold-plated pork of value only to the monsters who manipulate the military-industrial-congressional complex and absolutely worthless to our gallant soldiers – the kids who end up paying the ultimate price for the madness of war. Posted by: mike on January 6, 2005 07:11 AMJim wrote: I just finished reading "What's the Matter with Kansas." It's a great book and I highly recommend it. I have noticed a number of liberal books converging around a similar thesis. We all have a pretty good idea of what is going on with rural voters, evangelicals, Republican ideologues, big business, oil, religion, and the whole lot of them. What frustrates me is the absence of any good suggestions from the left on how to overcome all this. Clearly, there is a great deal of apocalyptic millenialism in the Republican party right now. Clearly working class voters are not voting their economic interests and are being distracted by social issues. Clearly, big oil and big business have forged an alliance with religious fundamentalism. Clearly, the south and the midwest are now solidly Republican. Clearly, the tendencies of the Republican movement are creeping towards fascism. We all know these things, whether they are written down in books or not. I think that the analysis of the problem has gone far enough. We know what's wrong. We have a fairly accurate descriptive picture of what is happening with the other side. We have a reasonably good idea of why the country is shifting rightward, what policies, actions, and behaviors are causing this shift, and the dynamics that are in play. So we need some solutions. What exactly do we do about it all? Surely there must be historical examples of societies that were headed along this path but managed to avert disaster. Surely there is a theory or a precedent for getting ourselves out of this mess, individually, collectively, globally. I guess I'm feeling frustrated because there seems to be a great deal of descriptive analysis of our country's situation, but not enough prescriptive analysis for what to do about it. Anybody have any thoughts? Jim -- That is the real question. Watched Frontline last nite... They said 40% of the US consider themselves to be evangelicals. 40% of anything is a good running start. That means you only have 10% to go and you are there. I am a town council member here in the western US... and I'd like to think I am one of the good guys. Id like to aid in regime change at the county level (all repubs right now)... but if you cant reason with evangelicals... what can you do? Id really like to know the answer. Bob Posted by: Bob on January 6, 2005 08:17 AMBob, I think this is an important part of the solution. It makes an unestimatable difference. http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/010505.html America’s top political analysts are now mining Election 2004 for lessons learned: A front-page story in the Washington Post marveled at how effective the Swift boat smears were against John Kerry for the bargain price of $546,000. Columnist E.J. Dionne Jr. observes that “the sheer negative genius of the Bush campaign is worthy of close study.”
More.... Posted by: Pat C on January 6, 2005 10:03 AMIf this doesn't p--- you off nothing will: http://onlinejournal.com/evoting/010505Conover/010505conover.html Posted by: Patricia on January 6, 2005 01:57 PMShylurker, you are absolutely right, we do have to work to make elections and democracy into what we thought it was and know it can be Posted by: Sally on January 6, 2005 02:55 PMYou can watch GonTorture talk on c-span now. Yech, what a liar. Posted by: Jill G on January 6, 2005 03:17 PMSkylurker, I'm watching it on c-span. Posted by: Jill G on January 6, 2005 03:26 PMI thought Kucinich was a Rep from Ohio and not a Senator. Was I wrong? I do know that Boxer has sent out a statement to the Press saying she is formally contesting the Ohio Electors. Posted by: Jonathan on January 6, 2005 03:29 PMBarbara Boxer stands up to challenge: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=512&u=/ap/20050106/ap_on_go_co/electoral_vote&printer=1 no time listed though..... Posted by: Garry on January 6, 2005 03:33 PMcorrection--the AP reported it at 9:19 CST. Posted by: Garry on January 6, 2005 03:40 PM!!!!!! Looks like overall CNN is dumping Novak by killing off Crossfire and Capital Gang/ CNN Cancelling Capital Gang Later This Year
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Garry, Excellent article Jill. Posted by: Pat C on January 6, 2005 05:29 PMDave, Keep your fingers crossed. If all that pressure (phone calls, emails, letters, etc.) worked and some Dem Senators will join with the Dem House members to protest--well, that's the beginning, I do believe, to taking it back. Joshua Micah Marshall just posted on his "TalkingPointsMemo" that Capital Hill staffers say the reaction (again, phone calls, faxes, emails, letters, etc.) to the Smirky&Co attempts to sacrifice Social Security has been amazing and the impact is obvious on their bosses. Keep your fingers crossed on that one, too. We have built momentum and we must keep it going, build on it. Maybe we can get to a point where we can have "our" Reps and Senators pass laws that will gut the ability of the corporations and super-wealthy to buy politicians. Instead, we'll own 'em! What a concept, huh? Thank you Captain Sally for your words of encouragement. I'm staying out from under the bed all day today in the hopes that it just might turn out to be an historic day. Oh, I hope so.
The electoral votes will be counted on a VOC moon, because the brave Mrs. Boxer will force a 2-hour discussion of the Ohio vote in the Senate and House. And then the vote happens. If Boxer had not signed on with the Congressmen, then the votes would have been counted on a "valid" moon. What, if anything, are the ramifications of this? Posted by: Laurie on January 6, 2005 05:37 PMGarry, Jonathan, You are right; I was mixing up Senators and Reps. But he will have his signature on that paper with Conyers and Boxer from what I've heard on AirAmerica Radio. Thanks Pat C, Garry, Absolutely Jill. Posted by: Pat C on January 6, 2005 05:51 PMFrom the Kryon site: http://kryon.com/inspiritmag/hot_topic/index.html Posted by: Pat C on January 6, 2005 05:57 PMCNN fired Tucker Carlson.....did anyone report that? Posted by: Judi Gemini on January 6, 2005 06:08 PMIsn't it wonderful Judi??
Oh, I'm wrong in my post above, they count the electorial votes first!! Posted by: Laurie on January 6, 2005 06:10 PMOn Shirley Chisholm...this is just for fun reading, nothing important: She never traveled on official trips, and Dufty says her staff would often ask her, for example, " 'Miss C., don't you want to go to China?' She'd say there was no way she was going on a trip with these old white congressmen trying to get in her pants." Posted by: judi gemini on January 6, 2005 06:11 PMMore fun: and last but not least....what is particularily hard for people to grasp is that the rich and powerful DO mingle....whether they be Rethug or Dem (how about Demwit for some of them?) All of the above (and more) from Leah Garchik's gossip column in SF Chronicle: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/01/06/DDGAB9AA831.DTL I restrained myself from adding the gossip about Gavin Newsome's impending divorce from wife Kimberly Guilfoyle Newsome (Court TV)....careers, careers....there goes the Camelot marriage...or else midlife crisis is hitting this generation earlier and earlier, which I believe IS happening...astrologically speaking. Posted by: judi gemini on January 6, 2005 06:17 PMJust got this email!!!!! The Boxer Rebellion Thursday 06 January 2005 @ 11:06 A wee bit of history to start with. The last time Congress was forced to interrupt the joint session to certify the Electors was in 1969, when a "faithless" Nixon elector broke ranks and threw his vote to George Wallace. After about twelve seconds of discussion, the vote was allowed to go for Wallace. Before that, we have to go all the way back to 1877, during the disputed election between Rutherford Hayes and Samuel Tilden. Hayes eventually won. In short, what is happening here in Washington today has almost never been seen in the history of the republic. This is the latest as I have it: Senator Boxer made the decision to stand and support the challenge to the Ohio electors. She transmitted a letter to Rep. Tubbs-Jones this morning which stated, "I have concluded that objecting to the electoral votes from Ohio is the only immediate way to bring these issues to light by allowing you to have a two-hour debate to let the American people know the facts surrounding Ohio's election." Right now, several other Senators are preparing statements of Support for the Boxer/Tubbs-Jones challenge, and a number of House members will also rise in support. There is every expectation that Senators Clinton, Obama and Dodd will be among those offering statements of support. Reps. Waters, Conyers and Kucinich will be among the House members who stand. Though Rep. Conyers was the main impetus behind this process, it was decided that Rep. Tubbs-Jones should be the one to make the official challenge, as she is a representative from Ohio, where the dispute is centered. There is a rumor floating around that one of the Senators to rise in support will be a Republican. That is not in any way confirmed. The process will begin to unfold at 1:00pm EST. Cheney, in his role as President of the Senate, will rise and ask if there are any objections. Tubbs-Jones will then announce her objection, and state that a Senator has signed her objection. The joint session will then adjourn, and there will be two hours (perhaps less) of debate on the issue. At the conclusion a straight up-and-down vote will take place on whether or not to support the objection. Almost certainly, the objections will be defeated along party lines. This is an incredibly important day for this country, for two reasons. First, this will initiate a national dialogue on how we run elections, and push forward the process of reform that is so desperately needed. Second, this was a people's movement. None of this would have taken place without the grassroots effort. Look at the stars in the sky or the grains of sand on the beach. That is how many phone calls, emails, faxes, letters and telegrams were sent by ordinary people to the Capitol building in support of what Boxer has done. Jesse Jackson, David Cobb, Progressive Democrats of America and others were involved in getting this done, along with Rep. Conyers. But it was the folks who got this done. If nothing else, this proves that concentrated activism and advocacy works. It works. It worked. Make sure it keeps working. Tune in at 1pm EST. I will be blogging the hearing as it happens. Today is history. Posted by: judi gemini on January 6, 2005 06:18 PMChallenge for Ohio at 1:21pm EST She beat the VOC Moon at 1:36pm EST! Posted by: Pat C on January 6, 2005 06:25 PMHa!! Debate session opened at 1:28pm EST. Jones started speaking at 1:29pm EST. Alriiiiight!! They beat the VOC!! Posted by: Pat C on January 6, 2005 06:31 PMCan someone tell us the ramifications of this fact? Will Pitt is providing running commentary over on truthout. He must be a pretty fast typist, because they are running about 2 min. apart! http://truthout.org/fyi/ You are watching Senators PQOP Will Pitt just posted Boxer's entire speech: Woo-hoo! Posted by: shylurker on January 6, 2005 07:36 PMKerry's Last Flip-Flop What is with Nancy Pelosi? http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=389969 House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., declined to say whether she supports Boxer's decision, but said the move would call public attention to voting problems. She said she would vote to uphold the Ohio vote. Posted by: Teresa on January 6, 2005 08:10 PMHas the momentum started to change? Have the Rethugs finally moblilized the left with all of their heft to finally start pushing back? What is the astrology of this? Captain Sally had said the "shadow" of Merc Retro would not lift until Jan 8... Posted by: judi gemini on January 6, 2005 08:11 PMTheresa....Nancy Pelosi has said some disconcerting things recently....what is HAPPENING there? It is strange....I am not surprised that DiFi supports rethugs, since she is one if not in affiliation, but PELOSI????? Posted by: judi gemini on January 6, 2005 08:13 PMFollowing up on the CNN makeovers...the firing of Tucker Carlson (turning point for him was the Jon Stewart appearance on Crossfire) http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2005/01/05/entertainment1658EST0684.DTL It is worth a read only because it shows that the momentum actually seems to be changing.... Posted by: judi gemini on January 6, 2005 08:18 PMI just found out that we had the VOC Moon timing wrong again. It went VOC at 1:28. Senate voted down the challenge at 3:11pm EST. All voted against it with the exception of one, and I don't know who that was. I think I mentioned above (perhaps yesterday?) that the Moon would go V/C at 1:29. And the 1 vote was from Boxer. Of course. Although it feels like nothing has happened, I think a chain of events has been continued that will eventually lead to Bush being ousted from Office. Just a hunch ... Posted by: Jonathan on January 6, 2005 08:37 PMThe 'shadow" of Merc retrograde still holding I guess.... Posted by: judi gemini on January 6, 2005 08:55 PMWow...thanks for posting the Kyron link...or is it Kryon? sorry...the latter This is such an interesting article: It describes my last 15 years!!! How about the rest of you???? Thanks to the Kryon posters Posted by: judi gemini on January 6, 2005 09:18 PMHey astrologers...I'd like to second and repeat mimi's question (posted above). What is the significance of the VOC moon and the timing of the challenge, etc? Clueless in CA Posted by: KM on January 6, 2005 09:21 PMKM, the VOC Moon would indicate that the challenge goes nowhere but with Mars opposing the US Uranus and GWB's Mars it will remain a bone of contention for quite a while. I do agree with Judi Gemini that there has been a subtle shift, and the shift came immediately after the election when the polls found Bush didn't receive a "bounce" from the election. I'm not sure that the Dem. "leadership" has gotten the message that their "base" is furious with them and the "roll over and play dead" game they are playing with the Republicans. Remember they get money from the same corporations as the Repugs. Not as much but a chunk and they need the same corporations the Republicans need. We don't have a leader right now and we will have to start leading because it won't be this that brings this administration to the door. Sun trine the Ascendant and the Moon just finishing a trine to T Saturn only says the status quo was preserved. But they tried. Still I like to think of Mars opposing Uranus giving them a curve ball. By the way MSNBC (Jeremy Gaines) thinks Tucker Carlson is a "great" journalist even though CNN fired him. If you like or don't like Mr. Carlson and what he has brought to the political discourse, you might want to write Mr. Gaines to let him know how you feel about Tucker. jeremy.gaines@msnbc.com Posted by: Sally on January 6, 2005 09:36 PMWhile I am not the shining astrologer our wonderful writers here are, I can tell you that a void of course moon is a bit like starting out in New York, going into the tunnel and coming out in New Jersey. You are in a different environment. The tunnel is the void of course. It is a time to avoid starting any new endeavor because it will come to nothing. That's why I was so happy when I thought they had avoided the void of course moon. Posted by: Pat C on January 6, 2005 09:38 PMWoops! X post with the master! :-D Posted by: Pat C on January 6, 2005 09:39 PMhttp://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/MooreMichael.htm Birth Name: Birth Date: Birth Time: Birth Place: Latitude / Longitude: Rodden Rating / Source: Source Notes: In late December 2004, Edith Hathaway writes by e-mail: "Personally I have not seen his birth certificate, but here is what happened. I was teaching a class in Dallas, TX in late Oct. 2004, and proposed a rectified ascendant on Michael Moore's chart …to encourage some creative thinking in the class! One of the students (Kasandra Green) said she knew Michael Moore's sister Ann personally, and would ask her for the information. Initially, they asked the father, and he said 11:45 AM. I questioned this info., as I didn't know how reliable it was, and meanwhile neither the sister nor the father were that interested to deal with astrology. So a month later Kasandra persisted, and asked Anne to ask Michael to examine the birth certificate himself and tell us. He reported to his sister that it said 12:45 PM! …Full birth data is April 23, 1954, 12:45 PM, Flint, Michigan." Posted by: Pat C on January 6, 2005 09:53 PM***A GREAT DAY FOR DEMOCRACY IN DC*** We WON. We needed somebody to stand us and SHE did! Thank you Sen. Boxer. This was very special. I have to run and get some work done but I was there from 9-2. It was a very special vibe. Something very positive with a strong spiritual piece started in DC today at Lafayette Park. Revs. Jackson & Moss, David Cobb, our lawyers, etc. etc. Just awesome. Here are some pics. Cliff Arenbeck, Our Lawyer (Lafayette Park) Rev. Jackson and Cliff Greet Rev. Moss of Ohio, On law suit w/Cobb for Ohio. Rep. Waters gave a great Speech March Leaves Lafayette Park (across from WH) for Capitiol Hill DC Police were very helpful and courteous. On Capitol Hill Now, Rally. David Lytel, Moderator, Kicking some ass. After listening to the debates this afternoon Sally....I had just been reading one of the Kryon channelings from April 2004 in which he mentions that THERE ARE NO NEW LEADERS NOW, AND THAT THE ONES WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN WERE ELIMINATED STARTING IN THE 1960s. And it said there would be no real movement until 2008. The current 'leaders' who oppose the neo-con bush policies are cut from the same cloth as they are... which is pretty much what you are saying also... http://www.kryon.com/k_chanelindy04.html Posted by: judi gemini on January 6, 2005 10:05 PMMike thanks for those photos....Dave Lytel was, I think, co founder of Democrats.com with Bob Fertik. They got revolutionized after 9/11...Bob lived near the ground zero site. Posted by: judi gemini on January 6, 2005 10:12 PMSince 9/11 I have had such strong feelings hanging around me that treason has played its part in our national drama. This was on the ICH email today, compliments of Cicero: A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear.: Marcus Tullius Cicero - (106-43 B.C.) Roman Statesman, Philosopher and Orator Date: 42 B.C. - Source: Speech in the Roman Senate Posted by: judi gemini on January 6, 2005 10:19 PMI am disgusted with the DNC. I have sent the following message to them for all the good it will do: I am so disappointed in the democrats in Congress for not standing with Barbara Boxer and Rep. Conyers and voting against accepting Ohio's electoral votes. I am part of the base of the Democratic party and you have not heard me or others like me. I voted straight Democrat in 2004. I will not be so foolish again. From now on, I will be scrutinizing voting records and will vote for the best person, democrat or republican or libertarian. Perhaps challenging the vote would not have changed the election, but the symbolism of your willingness to stand up against the current administration and its congressional minions would have solidified my loyalty to the Democratic party which was badly shaken by Kerry's rush to concede in November. You have one last chance to earn my vote in future elections. Defeat Pres. Bush's plan for annihilating Social Security. Posted by: Teresa on January 6, 2005 10:30 PMThanks for the great pictures Mike! Judi, that is an awesome quote, and I couldn't agree more I sorry to say. 2008 seems very far away. Posted by: Pat C on January 6, 2005 10:35 PMMaybe 2008 will be the start of bi partisan efforts to mend the world (speaking not just of our ol USA)....a time when a higher truth is revealed .....usually brought on by something unspeakable, of course. As it always must be. Posted by: judi gemini on January 6, 2005 10:44 PMI believe that is the shining jewel in all of this.... zero leadership...we will turn to ourselves for guidance and direction. Thanks, Judy Gemini, for passing along the quote from Cicero. More than a Democratic Ahnold or other Hollywood type, we could use a modern-day Cicero to challenge the Catalines and Caesars in Washington. Someone whose energy, presence and oratory were so compelling and truthful that even the right-wing media would have to cover him. Maybe Eminem when he grows up? Posted by: scipio on January 6, 2005 11:11 PMScipio...wow....brings back my highschool Latin classes....(now you know why I like these quotes from good old Rome, i.e., the "old days") What about Barak Obama? He might be an emerging leader we are looking for... Hon. Alberto R. Gonzales Dear Judge Gonzales: We, the undersigned religious leaders, greet your nomination to be attorney general of the United States with grave concern. As a self-professed evangelical Christian, you surely know that all people are created in the image of God. You see it as a moral imperative to treat each human being with reverence and dignity. We invite you to affirm with us that we are all are made in the image of God – every human being. We invite you to acknowledge that no legal category created by mere mortals can revoke that status. You understand that torture – the deliberate effort to undermine human dignity – is a grave sin and an affront to God. You would not deny that the systemic use of torture on prisoners at Abu Ghraib was fundamentally immoral, as is the deliberate rendering of any detainee to authorities likely to commit torture. We urge you to declare that any attempt to undermine international standards on torture, renditions, or habeas corpus is not only wrong but sinful. We are concerned that as White House counsel you have shown a troubling disregard for international laws against torture, for the legal rights of suspected "enemy combatants," and for the adverse consequences your decisions have had at home and abroad. How could you have written a series of legal memos that disrespected international law and invited these abuses? How could you have justified the use of torture and disavowed protections for prisoners of war? How could you have referred to the Geneva Conventions as "quaint" and "obsolete"? We fear that your legal judgments have paved the way to torture and abuse. We therefore call upon you: 1. To denounce the use of torture under any circumstances; 2. To affirm, with the Supreme Court, that it is unconstitutional to imprison anyone designated as an "enemy combatant" for months without access to lawyers or the right to challenge their detentions in court; 3. To affirm the binding legality of the Geneva Conventions and the laws of war; 4. And to reject the practice of "extraordinary rendition," at home and abroad, by which terrorist suspects are sent to countries that practice torture for interrogation. We believe, as you do, that the United States must be an example of moral leadership in the world community. However, the events at Abu Ghraib have gravely compromised America's moral authority. We ask that you commit yourself as attorney general to repairing that damage by articulating and enforcing legal policies that reject the use of torture, embrace and advance standards of international law, and honor the dignity of all of God's creation. With prayers for wisdom and grace, Over 225 Religious Leaders (Affiliations listed for identification only) INITIAL ENDORSERS Rev. Dr. George Hunsinger, Princeton Theological Seminary (Coordinator: Church Folks for a Better America, Princeton, N.J.) Dr. C. Rene Padilla, General Secretary for Latin America, IFES Sr. Joan Chittister, OSB Rabbi Arthur Waskow, The Shalom Center Dr. Susan Thistlethwaite, President, Chicago Theological Seminary Mr. Jim Wallis, Editor, Sojourners Rabbi Tony Kushner Dr. Ron Sider, President, Evangelicals for Social Action Dr. Anthony Campolo, Evangelical Association for the Promotion of Education Rev. Jimmy R. Allen, Past President of the Southern Baptist Convention Dr. Rubén Rosario Rodríguez, St. Louis University Dr. Juanita Jartu Jolly, Agape Christian Tabernacle Rev. Victor Aloyo, Jr., Director of Vocations, Princeton Theological Seminary Rev. Alexia Salvatierra, Executive Director, Clergy and Laity for Economic Justice Pastor Amaury Tañón-Santos, American Baptist Churches The Rev. John E. Denaro, Episcopal Migration Ministries Rabbi Michael Lerner, The TIKKUN Community Dr. Stanley Hauerwas, The Divinity School of Duke University Bishop Thomas J. Gumbleton, Aux. Bishop, Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Detroit Rev. Dr. Joseph C. Hough, Jr., President, Union Theological Seminary Rev. Dr. James H. Cone, Union Theological Seminary Dr. Teresa Whitehurst, Jesus and the Family Institute Dr. Glen Stassen, Fuller Theological Seminary Rev. Romal Tune, African American Ministers Council Iftekhar Hussain, Secretary General, American Muslim Society of the Tristate Area Rev. Victoria J. Furio The Rev. Julio Torres Rev. Timothy McDonald, African Amer. Ministers Council & First Iconium Baptist Dr. Tarunjit Singh, Secretary General World Sikh Council – America Region Jo...awesome... Posted by: judi gemini on January 6, 2005 11:42 PMGreat pix, Mr. Mike. Thanks so much for remembering us and sharing them with us. A friend of mine forwarded this an hour or so ago. I think most of you would enjoy reading it, too: (No, I don't think you'll find the religious affiliation a problem in terms of this one article. I didn't, anyway.) Yes, we will have to create our leaders now. I think that is a wonderful message that came across very strong today. I had high hopes that Dean would show the way, but something happened in Iowa, didn't it? Greed sucks. Good day to all! Dear Judi G, Mr. Obama certainly is a great speaker with a lot of potential, and he fits the mold of a classical orator well. I'm a little concerned that so many expectations have been placed upon him before taking office, but he may well become the leader he was asked to be. I was only half-joking about Eminem - although he is not a patrician, he connected in a very visceral way with a very large segment of our society, including the artistic intelligentsia. It is that quality of speech (or rhyme) that can move the masses of today and mobilize the young and young-at-heart. Perhaps another non-homophobic, non-misogynistic talent will rise in the near future. I remember a book I read in the 70s called the Last Western by Thomas S Klise. Willie, an urban kid who grew up in poverty in some post-neocon world, later became a national hero and then... the Pope. Stranger things have happened. Great book and still very popular, by the way, if you can find a used copy - it's een out-of-print for quite a while. Posted by: scipio on January 6, 2005 11:45 PMOK>>>just got this by email ...
Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones was a judge for 10 years. She was a prosecutor for 8 years. She was inducted into the Women's Hall of Fame in 2002. Scipio... Thanks for the literary reference...and of course, I have to ask ....what of the current pope? Not being Catholic, I know little of his background...patrician or plebian? Perhaps the Last Western is at the library! or used online, most likely...sounds good. Barak does not seem to be cowed or overwhelmed so far. He will get his experience in the next four years. After that...? we shall see. Or better yet, lets "SEE" and believe and make it so, as Captain Piccard was fond of saying. Posted by: judi gemini on January 7, 2005 12:08 AMScipio...the uncorrected proof for Thomas Klise's The Last Western is on sale for $125 at a booksellers! But I get what you mean about Eminem.... Posted by: judi gemini on January 7, 2005 12:13 AMI sent an email to Kay Bailey urging her to rethink her ringing endorsement of Gonzales. I told her that while Gonzales may never be held accountable, she certainly will. Shame on this country for even considering a torturer for AG. For shame!!!!! ----- wv, Your comment above about Barbara Boxer and the black women from the house rocks. I have always secretly wished to be a black woman, because they have the balls to stand up to anyone. Bless the big beautiful black woman in the sky!!! --- I'm about to look at the chart for the moment I sent in my applications. I'll post the data if I need help. Posted by: Dave on January 7, 2005 01:11 AMHello, everybody. Just a brief couple of posts here to say hello. Thanks to Sally for holding down this fort and for the continued stimulus for dialogue. *****************************************************
...I have since come to know some part of the Indian prophecy that is preserved chiefly by the Hopi people and maintained by traditional-Indian spokesmen everywhere. The currently significant part of those prophecies pertains to an approaching transition that is often called “the day of purification.” This prophecy coincides with the claims of ecologists and scientists who believe that imbalance in nature has passed the point of no return. Yet the traditional Indian does not await some kind of ecological doomsday. Instead, he awaits the moment of climax with hopeful anticipation. During our lunch Rolling Thunder said, “ When you have pollution in one place, it spreads all over. It spreads just as arthritis or cancer spreads in the body. The earth is sick now because the earth is being mistreated, and some of the problems that may occur, some of the natural disasters that might happen in the near future, are only the natural readjustments that have to take place to throw off sickness. A lot of things are on this land that don’t belong here. They’re foreign objects like viruses or germs. Now, we may not recognize the fact when it happens, but a lot of things that are going to happen in the future will really be the earth’s attempt to throw off some of these sicknesses. This is really going to be like fever or like vomiting, what you might call physiological adjustment. It’s very important for people to realize this. The earth is a living organism, the body of a higher individual who has a will and wants to be well, who is at times less healthy or more healthy, physically and mentally. ... Too many people don’t know that when they harm the earth they harm themselves, not do they realize that when they harm themselves they harm the earth. ... understanding is not knowing the kind of facts that your books and teachers talk about. ... understanding begins with love and respect. It begins with respect for the Great Spirit, and the Great Spirit is the life that is in all things -- all the creatures and the plants and even the rocks and the minerals. All things -- and I mean ALL things -- have their own will and their own way and their own purpose; this is what is to be respected. Such respect is not a feeling or an attitude only. It’s a way of life. Such respect means that we never stop realizing and never neglect to carry out our obligation to ourselves and our environment.” ******************************************************** Rolling Thunder often referred to right-wing politics of any kind as fascist, and he spoke of fascism with profound gravity. He did not use the word lightly but he used it often, not usually about people themselves, but about ideas and actions. He was apprehensive of fascism as a growing danger in America. In my field notes I recorded that Rolling Thunder had considered fascism “ the tool of the dark forces.” He was more concerned with what he had called the “signs of fascism creeping up” than any of the obnoxious mischief of Communists or capitalists. He spoke of the new no-knock law as one omen that people with political power would begin to consider themselves priviledged, endowed with special rights, exempt from principles of justice and honesty. ****************************************************** When you think that the above words were written in 1974, they ring particularly strongly today...30 years later. Posted by: old granny on January 7, 2005 01:48 AMAnd on a personal note: I myself continue to grapple with transiting Uranus...still close enough to be conjuncting my natal Mars(ruler of both my Sun and Ascendant) and in exact square with my progressed Sun. Sigh. Uranus opposing my 6th house and moving through my 12th should be yet another test of my fortitude. I already feel like I am at the bottom of my reserves from 6 years of single caregiving for my elderly mother...along with a large number of my own animals which are living with me as I care for my mother. Just the bottom of the well. Rock bottom...and I am tired, tired, tired much of the time. I have been dealing with bone loss, and what I feel looks like adrenal gland exhaustion(seems like I remember some remarks in a thread somewhat earlier about Robert commenting on Uranus transits and adrenal gland function; I can’t remember if it was to do with Mars or not...) and allergies, along with what must be some kind of photosensitivity as there are times when not only can I not stand to be at my computer I can’t even have it on and be in the same room. Same with the tv. I’ve tried microcrystalline hydroxyapetite(sp/MCHA), but whatever is in the mix with it(or even it) I am very allergic to, repeatedly breaking out in large welts. Tried bee pollen yesterday and was HORRIBLY dizzy all afternoon after only taking less than 1/4 teaspoon of granules(locally “grown”). I’m looking into Vit. D supplementation...taking Pantothenic Acid(that seems to be helping) and DHEA(which stimulates adrenal function). I also seem to be having some degree of success taking Chlor-Tri-Meton. This year Uranus will move into an exact square with my natal Uranus and just about the same time enter into opposition with my natal Moon(in the 6th)...so this year appears to continue the focus for me on health issues... So...there is that news!!! Wheeeeee...... Posted by: old granny on January 7, 2005 01:51 AMJudi G, From what I know of the Pope, he grew up in the Warsaw ghetto so he definitely qualifies as plebeian by birth. I know there are used copies of The Last Western for sale, but they are all pricey, a testament to its popularity. I have purchased it a few times over the years and loaned it out, never to see it return. Alas, sharing is a wonderful thing. Whether Obama or Eminem, there is a desparate need for a right-wing antidote - someone who can make the Ann Coulters, Bill O'Reillys, and Shaun Hannitys look small intellectually in discourse and in presence. Posted by: scipio on January 7, 2005 02:13 AMhttp://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/06/electoral.vote/index.html Should Congress look into the validity of the presidential election results in Ohio? Posted by: Pat C on January 7, 2005 03:01 AMOff-topic question: Are there any other astrology sites with active discussion lists or bulletin boards (do they even call them that anymore?) concerning general astrology questions? I'm interested in tradecraft discussion, not free consultation or advice. I've checked some of the links on this site but haven't found any. thanks Posted by: scipio on January 7, 2005 03:59 AMcorrection to previous post: Pope John Paul was not born in the ghettos of Warsaw as I stated. I remembered incorrectly. Please excuse the mistake. from:
1920 - Born in Poland on May 18 Karol Joseph Wojtyla (pronounced Voy-tee-wah) was born in Wadowice, Poland on May 18, 1920, to an administrative officer in the Polish army and a former schoolteacher. As a young man, Karol was athletic. He enjoyed playing soccer as a goalie and took daredevil swims in a flooded Swaka River. He also was an excellent student and he served as president of his school sodality. Karol developed a love of theater and for a time it was his ambition to study literature and become a professional actor." Posted by: scipio on January 7, 2005 04:06 AMold granny,adrenal exhaustion responds well to the b complex vitamins. by all indications your adrenal gland has already been over stimulated and really needs rest so be careful with the dhea. melatonin for deeper more peaceful sleep...the thing your body is craving now..might be a better choice. Okay, Dave needs some help. Law school applications were transmitted on January 4, 2005 from Dallas, Texas. Transmission times range from 10:11pm to 10:21pm, specifically at 10: 11, 14, 15, 16, 18, 19, 20, and 21. I've looked at the charts and they don't seem to vary too much. Birth info is February 9th, 1981 Dallas, TX, 7:45am. I've tried looking on Astrodientist, but I feel like there's too much info for someone of my level to deal with. Help!!! Posted by: Dave on January 7, 2005 06:50 AMSally (and Pat C) - thanks for the explanation. So avoid the Void of Course Moon for new endeavors? Sounds like it anyway! All here...thanks for all your sharing. I get a lot from the site (I'm sure I'm only one of many), and expressing gratitude for your presence and your contributions just feels like the right thing to do this instant. Posted by: KM on January 7, 2005 07:08 AMJudi, part of my teaching from Alice Bailey is that in the Aquarian age, it is the group energy that is most important. Leadership will come out of group need and purpose. What it means is that we will have leaders for whatever group need is relevant. Furthermore, leadership will involve empowering groups and facilitating group purpose.
http://www.michaelmandeville.com/earthmonitor/ecbulletins/2005/ecb_Jan_06_05.htm Posted by: wv on January 7, 2005 11:53 AMOld Granny, I second Rubaiat's comments re Vit B complex, and add that Adele Davis had much to say about sources of Vit B and stress levels... she recommended eating liver frequently. Uranus is Oriental in my chart and I often run on my adrenal glands when I run out of gas! 'Course we're supposed to use them as reserve, but some of us have to run on that reserve when the plate is full. Sounds as if you have a lot of responsibility and no way for a respite. You might consider eating liver at least once or twice a week, in addition to taking B12 and B complex. Niacin helps me also, you can find it naturally in oranges, in the white part of the rind. I sometimes peel that off and eat a little of it. Most of all, as Rubiait suggests, you need sleep. Hot milk is a nat'l tranquilizer, and gives calcium. Are you taking a calcium supplement? For the bone loss? If you can, see a doctor for a bone density test and recommendation for replacing some of the loss. Let the housework go... and rest whenever you can. Also, find a support system to give you some relief from caregiving. A couple of years ago I completely drained myself caring first for a brother and then my mother... and the grand kids at intervals. I know that feeling of being at the bottom... so very tired. Hospice saved my life with my Mom's care... I'm sure there are options for you in getting help in caring for your Mother... meditate on them. White light and blessings to you. Namaste Posted by: Jo on January 7, 2005 01:38 PMScipio, re your comments upthread at 3:59 am: the following link may help you find what you are looking for... http://groups.msn.com/HOROSCOPESCHAT Posted by: Jo on January 7, 2005 03:15 PMWorse Than Fiction In my bad novel, a famous moralist who demanded national outrage over an affair and writes best-selling books about virtue will turn out to be hiding an expensive gambling habit. A talk radio host who advocates harsh penalties for drug violators will turn out to be hiding his own drug addiction. In my bad novel, crusaders for moral values will be driven by strange obsessions. One senator's diatribe against gay marriage will link it to "man on dog" sex. Another will rant about the dangers of lesbians in high school bathrooms. In my bad novel, the president will choose as head of homeland security a "good man" who turns out to have been the subject of an arrest warrant, who turned an apartment set aside for rescue workers into his personal love nest and who stalked at least one of his ex-lovers. In my bad novel, a TV personality who claims to stand up for regular Americans against the elite will pay a large settlement in a sexual harassment case, in which he used his position of power to - on second thought, that story is too embarrassing even for a bad novel. In my bad novel, apologists for the administration will charge foreign policy critics with anti-Semitism. But they will be silent when a prominent conservative declares that "Hollywood is controlled by secular Jews who hate Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular." In my bad novel the administration will use the slogan "support the troops" to suppress criticism of its war policy. But it will ignore repeated complaints that the troops lack armor. The secretary of defense - another "good man," according to the president - won't even bother signing letters to the families of soldiers killed in action. Last but not least, in my bad novel the president, who portrays himself as the defender of good against evil, will preside over the widespread use of torture. How did we find ourselves living in a bad novel? It was not ever thus. Hypocrites, cranks and scoundrels have always been with us, on both sides of the aisle. But 9/11 created an environment some liberals summarize with the acronym Iokiyar: it's O.K. if you're a Republican. The public became unwilling to believe bad things about those who claim to be defending the nation against terrorism. And the hypocrites, cranks and scoundrels of the right, empowered by the public's credulity, have come out in unprecedented force. Apologists for the administration would like us to forget all about the Kerik affair, but Bernard Kerik perfectly symbolizes the times we live in. Like Rudolph Giuliani and, yes, President Bush, he wasn't a hero of 9/11, but he played one on TV. And like Mr. Giuliani, he was quick to cash in, literally, on his undeserved reputation. Once the New York newspapers began digging, it became clear that Mr. Kerik is, professionally and personally, a real piece of work. But that's not unusual these days among people who successfully pass themselves off as patriots and defenders of moral values. Mr. Kerik must still be wondering why he, unlike so many others, didn't get away with it. And Alberto Gonzales must be hoping that senators don't bring up the subject. The principal objection to making Mr. Gonzales attorney general is that doing so will tell the world that America thinks it's acceptable to torture people. But his confirmation will also be a statement about ethics. As White House counsel, Mr. Gonzales was charged with vetting Mr. Kerik. He must have realized what kind of man he was dealing with - yet he declared Mr. Kerik fit to oversee homeland security. Did Mr. Gonzales defer to the wishes of a president who wanted Mr. Kerik anyway, or did he decide that his boss wouldn't want to know? (The Nelson Report, a respected newsletter, reports that Mr. Bush has made it clear to his subordinates that he doesn't want to hear bad news about Iraq.) Either way, when the Senate confirms Mr. Gonzales, it will mean that Iokiyar remains in effect, that the basic rules of ethics don't apply to people aligned with the ruling party. And reality will continue to be worse than any fiction I could write.
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Veterans for Common Sense, which represents about 12,000 former military personnel, and other related groups took their criticism of Gonzales even further by asking senators to oppose his nomination.
Old Granny - Jo and Rubiat have given you a wonderful prescription. I (not adrenal stressed at present but remembering when.......) feel comforted and rested just reading their advice! I also thought about the calcium - not only for the bone loss but to support body in recovering from stress - help in ability to sleep for example. And when I did run on empty for long enough I became anemic. So along with B-complex, esp B-12, keep some iron in your diet (Jo's liver suggestion would help with that as well, but if you don't want to eat organ meats you can just get a good iron supplement - also cooking with a cast iron pan, using tomatoes and/or wine would be good). The thoughts and prayers of those here are with you - please take time (10 - 15 min) each day to accept and absorb these energies from the Universe! Love and Blessings, KM Posted by: KM on January 7, 2005 04:59 PMHi all -- OG's post explaining her reaction to computer and other electronics really struck me. I would be suggesting that she get a few black crystals (obsidian, tourmaline, apache tears) both to wear and to place near the electronics to help absorb all that negativity. Anyone else have a suggestion or have other (energetic or otherwise) suggestions for her? Thanks! KM Hugs and healing to you Old Granny. You have gotten very fine advice and love, which you richly deserve.
Dear Senator Boxer, Thank you. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I will always support you in any endeavor you choose. You have my deepest respect and affection. While I do not live in California, I will sign up for your mailing list and when you are seeking support, I will be there. With respect, P..... Posted by: Pat C on January 7, 2005 05:30 PMOops. I also called the offices of Tubbs-Jones and Conyers. Posted by: Pat C on January 7, 2005 05:31 PMOld Granny, this is what my book “Nutrition Almanac” (by L J Dunne) says about adrenal exhaustion. Old Granny, I forgot to list the best sources of unsaturated fatty acids. Use vegetable oils and eat sunflower seeds. Good luck in your health search. It takes time to find out what you need and what works, and sometimes the best substances are expensive. I know because my husband loves NADH, which does nothing for me. Posted by: Jill G on January 7, 2005 06:28 PMSpies, turncoats, moles and slime. And I think Pelosi backs Roemer, doesn't she? Unbelievable. Hope this is not true. Thanks, Jo, for the link. :) Posted by: scipio on January 7, 2005 07:58 PMThis is a time of deep pain for our country. As much as we would like to predict the course of events, we can't. I think the true artists among us should heed the call. Your services are needed. I know many have been underground for a while, but now is the time to emerge. Our broken hearts and bodies need you. Posted by: jm on January 8, 2005 12:27 AMSo many good and stimulating comments I can't keep up with them. This site is a treasure. Carol, re group energy--I'm reminded of the saying in hippy days: When the people lead, the leaders will follow. Old Granny, in late February transiting Uranus will conjunct my natal Mars/Saturn conjunction in Pisces at 10th/11th House cusp. Hmm. Hope all is going better with you. Also thanks to all who posted health advice, which is very useful to know. Besides "getting organized" (my every year resolution) this year I've resolved to make one day a week a Mental Health Day. Took a day off this week and toured local art galleries. (My mental health days have to be low cost.) I think it is helping. Posted by: Barbara on January 8, 2005 01:18 AMThis pulls it all together in a neat, tidy package. Not for the faint-of-heart. http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/011004Hasty/011004hasty.html Posted by: shylurker on January 8, 2005 01:34 AMjm, I agree with you that True Artists are needed now more than ever. A society cannot heal without expressing, collectively, it's emotions. I fear, though, that with this Administration in power and the Right Wing "Christian" fundamentalists at it's core, that those Artists who do try and speak for the Collective will be censored. And, with the Mainstream Media now a literal joke, the "you can make this, but you can't do this or this or this" attitude Artists will have to work with will go unreported and, to many who still trust the Media, unknown. So, should this all come to pass, look for those True Artists to immigrate to other countries where censorship is not an issue and, from these countries, they'll successfully tell the tale of how America became a Fascist Society and suffocated the Voice of the People in favor of those in Power. Hopefully I'm wrong. Posted by: Jonathan on January 8, 2005 01:38 AMBarbara, As ususal, you have extremely sage advice. tSun is in my 5th house... I have been watching a pattern of movement of the tSun through my natal houses for almost 20 years. I can tell where it is by what I am doing! My time to play... be creative... but tMars just hit my IC and is moving through the 4th house, so... I'm working on our small pond - water garden in the back... moving rocks around and cleaning out debris so I can see the fish! and planning totally new look ... the weather is cooperating here in South Carolina --- 70s all week...so I'm working on my mental health... the fish have been particularly friendly (we don't feed them, they live off the pond)... as if to say they approve of my plans... and the birds feeding in the large sparkleberry tree that I have nurtured for over 15 years sang to me today as I worked... the azaleas were friendly as I moved the deadwood from their branches and the ground around them... So, here it is January and the backyard is beautiful, and humming as if it were spring! I have nothing planned for the next couple of weeks... that is, I can do whatever I please, which for the moment involves plunging my hands in the moist dark dirt and moving the leaves to the compost heap. Time to recharge my tired and disillusioned soul... Enjoy your pictures! When the weather turns cold again (which it will), I’m going inside and work on my grands scrapbooks — putting them on the computer and going for a movie/book... lots to do before February and sixth house issues. Meanwhile, the mind is processing the overwhelming events of past couple of months and present days... and meditating and sending light to all those who are suffering from the events of Dec 26th... is the East a mirror for us in the West? It seems they always suffer... and us? We in the West are so blessed, and still... we ask for “God to bless America” — how selfish is that! White light to all who are grieving... all who have been torn from their loved ones and homes... Posted by: Jo on January 8, 2005 01:42 AMJonathan, I think unreported and unknown is all right. Better way to thrive. Not all art is inflammatory, so much of it could escape censorship. The problem with other countries is that much of our art is culturally inspired and has most relevance here, especially where language is involved. I think poetry is so important. jm, I do believe, though, that those Artists who want to break the mold, so to speak (and all great artists eventually DO break the mold) will not be given the freedom in this country to do so. That's why I suspect we may see a flowering of new forms, etc. from American artists living overseas, away from the prying eyes of those who Judge and decide for everyone what's Good and what's Inappropriate. If I was a more advanced Astrologer, I could look to the Heavens and see if the energy inherent in it's movement supports my suspicions, but I'm not, so I'll leave it to those who are. :-) Posted by: Jonathan on January 8, 2005 02:52 AMShylurker, My husband ordered a bevy of old radio classics for Christmas - some on audio and some on CD. I thought only my Dad and my husband and I would be interested --- Jack Benny, Fibber McGee & Molly, Sherlock Holmes, The Green Hornet, The Shadow, Geo. Burns and Gracie Allen, etc. The grands listened for hours during winter break... the 8 yr. old loves Fibber McGee (go figure!)... anyway, I can't get that line out of my mind... "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? The Shadow knows!" The earliest of the Shadow programs was in the 30s, when Fascism was coming to bloom in Europe. Too bad we don't have Lamount Cranston here today. He would tell us who the bad guys are... 'course we already know, don't we? Posted by: Jo on January 8, 2005 03:11 AMJo sez: "an exceptionally succinct summary of where we are, and who brought us here!" Yessum, a one-way ticket to hell, paid for with our tax dollars. Posted by: shylurker on January 8, 2005 03:34 AMSo, Jonathan. You were always the optimist. Is it just a moment of gloom? Or is it plain realism? Oh, yes, JM, and many have died as a result of it. Posted by: shylurker on January 8, 2005 06:17 AMYes, Shylurker, I know. Two of my family members are among them. Posted by: jm on January 8, 2005 06:28 AMJM, let us strive for the truth!! Posted by: shylurker on January 8, 2005 06:45 AMI posted here a while ago under the alias "student of german literature." I say that now, because I want to add something at this point which is appropriate and hopeful. During the communist control of East Germany (and other Warsaw Pact countries), the literaure was censored and party-directed. East German writers and poets adjusted by testing the limits of the censors and the party, and thus became very creative within the narrow range of what was permitted. By the 1980s, East German literature was widely recognized as far superior to West German literature on the whole, and scholars in the West were amazed by the talent of these artists who were un(der-)paid and often threatened or harassed. Similarly, in the 1970s, a right-wing crackdown by the German Government under Helmut Schmidt (West Germany's Gerald Ford) after the scandal and resignation of Willy Brandt (their JFK, sort of) led to a very oppressive period. The media (led by a really bad paper called Das Bild, a mix of the New York Post and the National Enquirer and all of 10-20 pages thick) whipped up mass hysteria and fear of terrorism (remember the RAF was causing problems at this time) to help the government suspend civil liberties and threaten and intimidate the student and intellectual counter-cultural movement. Still, great literature blossomed, and writers such as Heinrich Boll became unintended leaders of the people. If anyone is interested, his book, the Lost Honor of Katharina Blum (title translated into English) was released as a movie just last year with subtitles. This movie tells the story of Katharina who falls in love with a suspected terrorist at a Christmas party, has a one-night's stand, and then is systematically destroyed by the newspaper and the police. It will amaze you to see the similarities between then and now. I hope this never comes to pass in America, but art has survived (and blossomed) under the most oppressive regimes throughout history. It is part of the human condition and will always be there if we look for it. Posted by: scipio on January 8, 2005 07:05 AMI've got goose bumps, scipio. And you bring up a good point, Scipio. I think the arts do flourish more in oppressed times. Interesting Discussion........... Pat QOP, I think that's a great idea! I hope you consider that idea seriously. Posted by: Pat C on January 8, 2005 02:21 PMI am A True Artist, meaning I earn my living from my art 100%. I am not leaving the USA so fast, however I am renewing my passport and will start to invest in Euros, one never knows. Pat Q,
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/haarp.html Posted by: wv on January 8, 2005 04:33 PMhttp://democracyforvirginia.typepad.com/democracy_for_virginia/2005/01/legislative_sen.html When a fetal death occurs without medical attendance, it shall be the woman's responsibility to report the death to the law-enforcement agency in the jurisdiction of which the delivery occurs within 12 hours after the delivery. A violation of this section shall be punishable as a Class 1 misdemeanor. fetal death=any miscarriage, no matter how long after conception. Not law... yet. Punishment? $2500 fine and up to 1 year in prison. -Atrios 1:53 PM Now, what are the chances this will ever hit the nightly news?? Posted by: Abilene on January 8, 2005 04:52 PMby kos I get emails: I wanted to pass on a term that I heard a Benedictine nun use when she was being interviewed on Bill Moyers' PBS show "Now." She accused those evangelicals who touted "pro-life" positions of actually being "pro-birth" only because they abandoned responsibility for maintaining infrastructure for deteriorating schools, health care, etc.--as well as ignoring the plethora of war dead, which always includes so many children. I've been struggling for a term for so-called pro-lifers who look the other way on war, post-natal care, social services, death penalty, and other life and death issues. That does the trick. I agree 100%. Posted by: Abilene on January 8, 2005 04:57 PM
Who Will Stand? http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/010705Kepner/010705kepner.html Posted by: wv on January 8, 2005 05:05 PM
http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/printer_010905Z.shtml Posted by: wv on January 8, 2005 05:26 PMI do love Pilger. Posted by: Pat C on January 8, 2005 05:31 PMThanks Bhakti & Pat C for your support. judi, ooh , I meant Pat Q. Bhakti.........Yes.......... bhakti, you wrote "I am A True Artist, meaning I earn my living from my art 100%." I'm curious. How does making one's living from one's art make him or her anymore a True Artist than those who hold everyday jobs, but find their true happiness in painting every Saturday afternoon? Or writing poetry every morning to start their day? Or singing with their Choirs every Wednesday night? I know people who make their livings writing, acting, singing, etc., but find no enjoyment in it. And I know people who are accountants, but paint beautiful pictures. And firemen who rescue cats from trees and children from burning buildings, but also have gorgeous singing voices. Are these people any less True Artists because they don't make their livings from their Art? I suspect what you wrote was more a way of introduction and of framing your thoughts and not claiming the "title" True Artist because of the financial aspect of your situation, but it stuck in my throat and has kept my attention throughout the day. And I felt the need to clear it up, if possible, for my own sake. So, is one only a True Artist if they make their living "100%" by it? Just curious ... Posted by: Jonathan on January 8, 2005 07:42 PMPlease understand that I don't mean this in a confrontational way. I'm simply curious what your thoughts on what makes a True Artist are. Posted by: Jonathan on January 8, 2005 07:44 PMThink I hit a button, no intention. 'The world is as you see it' - yoga aphorism. run and hide, bhakti. run and hide. Posted by: Jonathan on January 8, 2005 08:08 PMon second thought, yes, you DID hit a button, bhakti. but not the one you so confidently think. by saying that a True Artist is one who supports himself 100% with his or her art is to literally rob all of those people out there of the secret joy they take in creatively doing what they love to do ... and which they don't get paid for. It's the old trick of thinking that something is of worth only if there's money involved. Which is utter bullshit. Take a look at most of the stuff coming out of Hollywood, that has tons of money invested in it, and tell me those are True Artists 'cause they got paid. maybe they are. but I'm certainly not someone to decide who is a True Artist and who Isn't. So, yeah, you hit a button. Hubris always does. Posted by: Jonathan on January 8, 2005 08:12 PMhottest news from hollywood - bye bye for Aniston
OT- My apologies AW's. GT =going there. Would a person who digs Self -Help books be a True Psychologist? or a person who is fascinated with medical books and takes a continuing ed class in anatomy (just an example) be a True Doctor? The True Artist broad brushstroke does not fly with me. At least say this is how 'you' feel. More honest. Now now boys and girls, lets not fight.....I make my living 100% by art also, however many people will not give me THAT name of 'true artist', as I am a commercial artist.... And Hollywood is commercial, too...art is not a big seller, so don't identify Hollywood as anything more than the dream machine for bottom line accountants it is....so we all have to make a living...lets not GO THERE about who is a true artist and who isn't. Granny, old girl, you are under a Herculean strain. I did this also (8 years, and for the last 3.5 years, with grandchildren), until this past June 24 when my mother had to enter a rest home. I am still not recovered, mentally, emotionally or physically. Of course, I am also 61.5 now in years, and nothing is recovering very fast! Granny, have you checked your county resources for Seniors? I don't know your financial circumstances....but it seems that (unless you live in Texas) most places do have help available in some way. I had county help for 2 years before I couldn't do it anymore (my mother couldn't walk anymore, and had pneumonia). I also have Uranus squaring my natal Uranus at 5 Gemini....and it will come into square to my sun/saturn at 16 Gemini....I have started a yoga program along with anything else I can do to make the changes needed to keep on truckin'.... Posted by: Judi gem on January 8, 2005 09:29 PMOne of the horrors of being an artist is just that: there is no accurate standard of judgement. There is no test, no license, no objective human critic, etc. Money is a difficult issue for most artists I know. Many are afraid that success wil lock them into spitting out what the public demands, and mark the end of their completely free creative output. I think success can be stimulating at first, but maybe should come later in an artist's development, after a long road of experimentation. The artist's studio is the ultimate laboratory. Artists question money, knowing that they will be beholden to the source. This relationship probably requires as much experimentation as the art, itself. I also wanted to mention that I found out that finally Air America Radio was in the SF bay area on The Quake, 24/7, 960 AM....Randi Rhodes was reading the Conyers report on air today, about the Ohio voting irregularities...and playing clips from the hearings...at one point, Rep Dan Green, D from TX, was given 10 seconds!!!!! to make a comment, and cut off in the middle of it, at which point, the R Rep from Ohio was given 5 minutes to talk about how NOTHING outside of the usual had happened in Ohio.... Posted by: Judi gemini on January 8, 2005 09:33 PMSo, using bhakti's reasoning, both Van Gogh (who only sold a measly ONE painting in his ten year career) and Mozart (who died penniless and up-to-his-eyeballs in debt) were not True Artists. Who knew? But the B-actor who has little discernible talent but who scrapes by with what he makes on one bad film after another and the B-level director who makes one schlock horror film after another, yet pays his mortage with his work, are True Artists. That's all the clarification I needed, really. Obviously, bhakti and I disagree, but c'est la vie, no? I agree, and I said earlier, that I'm not one to judge who is an Artist and who isn't. When we start deciding who is what based on bits and pieces of criteria we've hobbled together, we get into dangerous territory. And when we believe we know what qualifies someone to be called an Artist, well, that's a road I don't even want to go down. It's those Artists who do things that are new and break the mold (for NO money) that pave the way for others to follow and discover their own gifts ... whether they make cold, hard cash at it or not. Money isn't everything. But, for a True Artist, living their Creativity every day as if their life and sanity depend on it is. Whether or not there's a check for them at the end of it. Posted by: Jonathan on January 8, 2005 10:06 PMwv The "art world" is an incestuous clique based more on networking than on anything related to skill or talent. For the most part the patrons of art galleries are other artists. The public at large has little appreciation for anything outside of the television culture. To be an artist *of any sort* is to be living outside of society to some extent. The schism between commercial art and fine art is something only artists see (a bit like liberals and progressives splitting hairs on democratic principles - the other 3/4 of the people can't figure out what we're arguing about.) There is actually a resurgence in craftsmanship now - probably as a backlash to the extremism of post-modernism. More and more people are turning to tangible crafts - glassblowing, ironwork, ceramics and even tattoos. Unfortunately, rather than simply blast society for having no taste and being addicted to instant gratification, artists that want to go above and beyond are going to have to figure out how to harness the possibilities that exist in new mediums. I think in the future it is inevitable that hybrids between craftsmanship and fine art are going to emerge. Whether the Dominionists and Neo-Cons lock down on artists like Hitler did I think might be giving them more credit than they deserve. If you're really pushing the envelope they're not even going to be able to figure out why they should be offended. That's my opinion anyway. To be honest, I went to three galleries last night, and I saw 24 walls of crap. As an artist, you do it because you can't help doing it. Where it lands is secondary. Posted by: jm on January 8, 2005 10:23 PMwell said, jm. I have an Aunt in Washington State who does tie-dye (sp?) t-shirts just for the hell of it. She doesn't try and sell them, she doesn't take them to crafts fairs or anything. She just loves doing it! For her, money isn't an issue (she lucked out, as my family did, in this Lifetime) and she'd never accept money for the work she does. She tie-dyes t-shirts for her friends, for her family and for -- believe it or not -- the local hospital's children's cancer ward. But, for her, a day without tie-dying SOMETHING is unimaginable! She LOVES it. That, to me, is a True Artist. :-) Posted by: Jonathan on January 8, 2005 10:29 PMThe sweet cherry on the top of the icing on top of the delicious cake that is my artlife is that I awaken each day drenched in my own creative lifestyle and hope to carry on this way until my demise. Posted by: bhakti on January 8, 2005 10:30 PM A little levity............ OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR Washington Week in Revue Published: January 8, 2005 READERS' OPINIONS
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S the 109th Congress convened this week, the news media once again turned their attention to Washington. Here are some stories they may have missed. Alberto Gonzales, the White House lawyer nominated for the post of attorney general, has told colleagues that he fears further harsh treatment in the Senate. "They're going to put me in stress positions," Mr. Gonzales is reported to have said. Mr. Gonzales has directed members of his staff to revise the White House definition of torture to include torture. In 2002, Mr. Gonzales had written a memo characterizing certain forms of torture as "conversational gambits." Mr. Gonzales's confirmation hearings ended this week, but the Senate Judiciary Committee has yet to send its recommendation to the full Senate for debate. One senior Democratic senator has said he intends to use Gonzales-approved interrogation methods to make the nominee squirm. A senatorial aide who did not want to have his identity revealed because of possible repercussions, the intern Joe Weathers, confirmed that the senator was researching whether it would be legal to isolate Mr. Gonzales before the vote and force him to listen to hours of the liberal talk radio host Al Franken. "It does seem brutal," Mr. Weathers said. "But we don't think it violates the Geneva Conventions." As the result of a bureaucratic slip-up, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was inadvertently included in the United States government delegation sent to comfort tsunami victims in Southeast Asia. "Waves happen," Mr. Rumsfeld told survivors. "Weather is untidy. Sometimes you have to make do with the weather you get instead of the weather you want." Mr. Rumsfeld also criticized the news coverage of the disaster. "They just keep showing the same wave over and over again," he said. Despite considerable alarm and protest in Asia over Mr. Rumsfeld's comments, President Bush expressed his confidence in the secretary. "Beneath his gruff, brusque exterior, Donald Rumsfeld is a sensitive, caring man," he said. Presidential sources later said Mr. Rumsfeld was scheduled to return to Washington "as soon as we can get him out of there." In the House of Representatives, Democrats were horrified to learn that Republicans had adopted a provision requiring Senator Barack Obama, Democrat of Illinois, to put the proceeds of his $1.9 million book deal into the legal defense fund of the House majority leader, Representative Tom DeLay. "Obama's not even in the House," complained Representative Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic leader. She said Democrats would introduce a resolution that would require Bill Frist, the Republican leader of the Senate and a doctor, to provide free checkups to all House Democrats and their dependents. In the Senate, Republican leaders adopted a new rule that would make it easier to limit Democratic filibusters of President Bush's judicial nominees. While the old rule required the approval of at least three-fifths of the Senate to end debate, under the new rule only seven Republicans are needed to end a Democratic filibuster - or six if the support of seven Republicans cannot be found. Filibusters are also limited to 10 minutes. Democrats, for their part, vowed to filibuster the rule change. Congressional scholars were researching whether Republicans could apply the new rule to the debate over the new rule, or the debate over the debate over the new rule. "Americans should not expect to see any laws come out of the Senate this year," said Senator Harry Reid, the Democratic leader. He pledged that Senate Democrats would work hard for all Americans to ensure that Senate Republicans worked hard for all Americans. Tom Burka, a lawyer, writes the satirical blog Opinions You Should Have.
I have many relatives. Some of them of Lakota Sioux. The traditional Lakota way (so they say) is to not express offense, but when someone does, the best answer is to say "Thank you for teaching me." and offer the offended person ("teacher") tobacco, . This is done under many circumstances unless it is worth going to war. Perhaps that wisdom can be applied here. Posted by: Pat C on January 8, 2005 11:37 PMAt the beginning of this I was singing with the choir. Whaddhappin? 'Professional' and 'True' are getting mixed up. (And in real life they CAN be mixed together and still be Dharmic). Thank you Jonathan for helping me watch my mind to be forever grateful that I live my Dharma. ...and now the offended person moves on. Posted by: Pat C on January 9, 2005 12:16 AMI, too, don't smoke tabbackey, but I thank you for offering me a toke on the ol' Peace Pipe. The wonderful and quite precious thing about Art is that one can find it in a beautiful painting hanging in the Louvre or in the graceful falling of a leaf from a gorgeously gnarled tree on a crisp Autumn day. And that -- the way the eyes (or the mind) see surrounding events -- can never be censored, even by the most evil of men or Administrations. Posted by: Jonathan on January 9, 2005 12:17 AMBhakti, you are so fortunate to make your living in art and art alone. So few of us can earn what we need to live in our art alone. Much happiness to you! Posted by: Pat C on January 9, 2005 12:18 AMThis is also a way of using creativity to make your living. While I don't know this person, her expression of sincerity and love of creativity looks so real to me and benefits others. http://www.abetterdesignforyou.com/ Art is everywhere. Posted by: Pat C on January 9, 2005 12:37 AMGeez....I forgot in the heat of being a true artist to mention to WV that maybe what Sylvia Browne had in mind mentioning that we would be living on a planet like Mercury is that we were all going to hell? Mercury sort of reminds me of that, topographically speaking. Also, Move On has a link page to send thankyous to Reid and Boxer...I sent Boxer one yesterday, but will do it again for both of them.... Geez...Jonathan....could your family adopt me so that I don't have to worry about the bottom line? That would be sweet. But I probably wouldn't ever do much again....I'd probably go to school and study psych or lit... Bhakti...my humble storyboard page (1/3 of a page) is in the new Serbin Communications Illustrators annual on pge 209... Posted by: Judi Gemini on January 9, 2005 12:48 AMsend the thankyou: I sent Barbara Boxer orange roses. Posted by: Pat C on January 9, 2005 12:55 AMPat C....that is great....maybe I'll send them a PICTURE of orange roses.... What does orange signify? I'm too cold and lazy to go look it up.... Posted by: judi gemini on January 9, 2005 01:02 AMJudi, remember those orange jumpsuits in the Ukraine? She was brave as they were. Posted by: Pat C on January 9, 2005 01:07 AMPat C.....I missed most of the Ukraine stuff....so much else going on in my life then....but that is just brilliant!!! Posted by: judi gemini on January 9, 2005 01:09 AMOh, and this is about what Isabelle brought up, that Sauron and Mordor analogy....seen any trees walking yet? hmmmm....the boxer rebellion? Posted by: judi gem on January 9, 2005 01:11 AMjudi, I can't take credit. This (which is no longer up on the site) was sent to me and I really liked the idea. "YOU DID IT! Senator Barbara Boxer stood with the Representatives! The same people who didn't want your votes to count are now harassing Senator Boxer. You can show your support by sending her orange roses! Send to: 112 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510, TEL: (202) 224-3553 Read Why the Vote Count Challenge Matters by Steve Cobble, PDA Advisor. Over 100,000 emails sent this month to Congress on this issue! be sure to get your daily briefing at: Posted by: Pat C on January 9, 2005 01:19 AMJudy Gem, cheerful practical Awedome Pat Q! Posted by: Pat C on January 9, 2005 01:36 AMthis message comes to from "the quasi artist formerly known as mike" bhakti, you walk the walk, my type of artist! did they name that manhattan cafe after you? should have. oh, guess what, i have more slides. really, you'd like to see them. sure, check in on this thread or the new one, if it comes up before i post. "the quasi artist, formerly known as mike" has left the building. Posted by: mike on January 9, 2005 04:32 AM
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chuckle Posted by: Pat C on January 9, 2005 04:47 AMFunk and Wagnalls: artist: one who is skilled in or makes a profession of any of the fine arts, especially the graphic arts. Art: L.artis: skill Posted by: jm on January 9, 2005 05:41 AMBhakti, you must have great aspects in you natal chart to be able to: 1) be so creative - good Neptune aspects I'm thinking, 2)have job(s) that allow you to work in a creative way your whole life - good 6th and 10th houses? Well, I've met many people who are extremely artistic and working at jobs that have almost nothing to do with their natural talents. For instance, my Nephew Eddie could beautifully draw anything he wanted since he was tiny; he's currently a housepainter. My friend Danny could draw beautiful pictures of raptors with black India ink; after much soul searching in his twenties he became a fireman. I think there are a lot of great artists out there who, sadly, had to take what they could get or just had no idea how to turn their talents into a living. Your lucky artist stars must be strong! Posted by: Jill G on January 9, 2005 05:55 AMI have found that artists generally find it difficult to sell their own wares. Being in a supportive community, rather than competitive one can really help an artist who really wants to do the work. I paint in both water and oils, do glass art, and have a great time with carpentry and sculpting. I am in my own way when it comes to making a career of my art. I have a dog-eared copy of The Artists Way. bahkti is doing just what I wish I could be doing, living her art. judi is also. Posted by: Pat C on January 9, 2005 07:11 AMI have noticed that posters here are quite smart, and generally lovely people. Posted by: Pat C on January 9, 2005 07:14 AMJust for another take on Orange - Chakra 2 Sacred Truth: Honor One Another Okay folks, this is a must read. It's ridiculously long, so don't start until you have a good 45 minutes to spare. There's alot of psychology in this one, so familiarity with Freudian terminology is helpful. The article is titled "The Psychology of Christian Fundamentalism," and let me tell you, it's right on point. It could not have summed it up better. The one flaw is that there is no advice on what to do about the fundies. I sent the professor an email asking him for some solutions, and I will let you all know if I hear anything. But in terms of describing the problem of fundamentalism and it's psychological dynamics, the article is FLAWLESS. So grab a cup of hot tea and enjoy! http://www.counterpunch.org/davis01082005.html I realize that I'm posting this link pretty far down the page, so you'll probably see it again when one of our master or mistress astrologers has a new article for us. I think it's that important for everyone to read this. Also, one other piece of news. My New Palladini Tarot deck arrived today. It's gorgeous!!! Posted by: Dave on January 9, 2005 08:54 AMUpthread we have, among others, two topics of conversation... one pertaining to miscarriages and the reporting thereof to the 'authorities' and the second pertaining to self-assessment as to 'artist' and the future for them here in fascist America, that is to say a continuation of the comments last thread that artistic activity here may diminish as a result of the political climate. So, which one gets focus? And why? One comment threatens the rights of privacy and perhaps more... the other comment "I am a True Artist" threatens...? what? someone's ego? The election is past and for some there is no longer any place to vent their anger. So, what do you guys think about having to report miscarriages? Is that a bit invasive? Or do you think the "Democrats" will fight that one, like they did the vote in Ohio? Do you still live under the illusion that you live in a democracy? Did the rules on this forum change while I was recharging? Is it no longer 'bad form' to attack someone personally? How is a statement about one's SELF an assault on others? I am a "True Grandma"... have a go at that. Better yet, I am a "True Grandma" who is concerned for her daughter and her granddaughter, that they will have to report any and all miscarriages to the authorities. We're back to the time of the ancient Greeks when Hippocrates decided women should not or could facilitate in childbirth... they needed male supervision. we've been "supervised" ever since. Jonathan, imho you owe bhakti an apology. Posted by: Jo on January 9, 2005 01:43 PMOh Jeannie............ Jo, do you not like the Lakota Sioux way? Posted by: Pat C on January 9, 2005 02:01 PMPat Q, it is safer for me to speak of the cards. A change from the Tower to the Queen of Cups is wonderful indeed! The meaning there is crystal clear. Congratulations! Posted by: Pat C on January 9, 2005 02:09 PMYes Jo, When attacked for being me or my talents that are full blown open and productive (thanks to the connection to my awakened Shakti), always take it a compliment that I wield more Power than I give myself credit for. Kudos to PatQ, judi gem (congrats on that page in the catalog) and Pat C and anyone who enjoys their own power within thru the outward form of art or their own unique talent. And many, many thanks for the well wishing from all. Live your dreams. So, what do you guys think about having to report miscarriages? Jo, I think that is a very good question. And it should lead to other questions. What exactly are they going to do with the information? Are they going to investigate? How will they know if it's not reported? Will a store employee or a doctor's office have to kept track of who and when a woman has purchased/taken a pregnancy test? And exactly who or what organization came up with this bright idea in the first place? Will this issue even be debated or will our self righteous and god appointed (aka electronic voting machines) representatives pass it into law in the wee hours of the night? It reminds me of a song in Jesus Christ Superstar (showing my age) where Judus sang about "having heaven on their minds." Is this what it is? Is that why they need to put their "belief" into law. This is not about saving "babies lives" it's about saving themselves and going to heaven. Sorry for the Sunday morning rant. Posted by: abilene on January 9, 2005 03:32 PMIt is being proposed in the State of Virginia, the land of Pat Robertson, et al. I'll say no more. It won't pass.
Pat C I agree. This won't pass but what are they really trying to do? It's like the partical birth issue. It was just a prereq for something else. Or, it could just be a trail balloon. What can we get away with this time? Are they paying attention? How far can we go? The conservatives are like annoying teenagers. They keep whining and pushing until you can't take it anymore. Until you scream, "ALRIGHT ALREADY." Pressure and time, pressure and time. And if that doesn't work, they'll just sneak out the window in the middle of the night. It has worked beautifully for them. How else could they have gotten this idiot in the white house? No, they are very very slick and well financed. We cannot shrug off anything, not even the absurd. Posted by: abilene on January 9, 2005 05:01 PMabilene, you have painted a very accurate picture of them IMHO, and believe me I know they should not be shrugged off ever. They have been working covertly for many many years....longer than our lifetimes. They are a severe danger to life, liberty, and the persuit of serenity. They will continue in plain sight as long as they feel they have the power to do so, and then will revert to covert work when necessary. Two things...I think that element is part of humanity and will remain until there is a shift, and Pluto is passing over my ascendant so my way of saying things may be abrupt. Sorry. Posted by: Pat C on January 9, 2005 05:32 PMin my astrological calendar, when it says 3rd Virgo or 1st Aries, what are they talking about? is it the Moon? and are the different phases of the Moon indicative of different things? Posted by: on January 9, 2005 05:39 PMHas anyone read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" yet? [Everything on our radar at Astroworld seems to come back to scamming the public for something, usually money.] Perkins tells how he was connected to the NSA while working as a consultant and would help scam second world country leaders into going into major debt for projects they didn't need so that the USA banks could own the countries. Not unlike worldwide loan sharking (for the US government). And if the Hitmen like himself couldn't convince those leaders than the "jackals" would be sent in to kill them so they could be replaced with someone who would do as the worldbankers want. Jackals rarely failed, but if they did then there would suddenly be the need for war against the country for some BS reason. In the case of Saddam, they failed twice within 15 years to scam him with the EHM or kill him with the jackals (remember Saddam's many doubles?) or the first Gulf War; so now we have a second one. So now ignorant, innocent US citizens are sent to die for the almighty corporations who want to run the world. Pat C, I appreciate your comments. I haven't yet written anything on the talk of art. I would be interested to hear what each of you think of as art. What is your favorite and why? Do you remember a particular piece of art? What effect did it have on you? I remember years ago, I had become friends with a gay co-worker. It was the first time I was ever around a gay person and their lifestyle. We went to one of his friend's home and there was a pencil drawing of two male lovers displayed on their coffee table. I was very shocked and taken back. Certainly because of the sexuality but more so because I found it to be so beautiful and raw. I think it was the first time a piece of art, in one instant, made me understand something I never understood before. It made me see that what I was always led to believe was untrue. It gave me insight to their honesty. It was what it was and nothing more. Posted by: abilene on January 9, 2005 06:35 PMRe: reporting miscarriages......read original thread reporting Cosgrove's bill here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2922882
Seems Cosgrove has been inundated with nasty mail attacks...which in my mind do not serve a useful purpose. However, he SHOULD be encouraged to ensure that the language of his bill be changed to reflect its claimed intent. Just my two-cents worth....KM Above, I said "original thread" when I intended to say "original DU thread" - difference being that I think it was first posted at kos. KM Posted by: KM on January 9, 2005 06:56 PMHere is one of my favorite contemporary artists. Check out his Monotypes & Nachtmusic (in Undercurrents) He attended the Pennsylvania Academy of Fine Arts in Phila. where I went during the 80's. He invited a mutual friend to spend the winter in Portland Me. but David declined Also for emotional impact. I saw a Picasso retro at the Phila. Museum of Art back in the late 50's. As it went cronologically, room to room from his early blue & rose periods Pat, I did several readings with my Palladini deck last night. They went really well. The cards are very intuitive, and the colors are just right. I really like the deck so far. I bought a Thoth deck over a year ago and I really don't like it. Maybe I'm just not wise enough to understand it, but the deck seems to actively resist interpretation, like it's fighting me or trying to piss me off. I'm going to put the Thoth deck aside for a few years, now that I have the Palladini. Maybe my Thoth deck needs a "timeout." Posted by: Dave on January 9, 2005 08:15 PMSurely it cannot have escaped your notice that everyone who has contributed to the "artist" conversation is either a struggling artist themself or has a dear friend or relative who is one. It's one of those subjects that strikes a nerve because we all know talented people who are under-appreciated. The conversation has very little to do with art and quite a bit to do with the social status that artists hold in society. I'm reminded of a great line from the movie Basquiat where the art dealer is talking about how great Van Gogh is even though he sold only one painting and died penniless. The line was that in modern times "nobody wants to be looking at Van Gogh's ear." Get it? Don't expect the [beautiful] Astroworlders to see eye-to-eye on this subject. "Art" means too many different things to too many different people. If you really want to have a meaningful discussion about this subject, you're going to have start by defining some terms so everyone has a clear idea of which facet we're debating. Bartcop has been having a discussion with his base for over a week about the artistic merit of Mapplethorpe and Serrano. Must be something in the air. ~Dommael Posted by: Dommael on January 9, 2005 08:32 PMI am still pondering the phrase "true artist." I've come to the conclusion that it can only be answered by the person who makes the art. If someone has a call and a passion to make art, and are committed to it and pursue it, then are they not an artist? Why wouldn't they be a true artist? Of course, there are dilletentes in every field, and these are people who are not fully committed, cut corners, can take it or leave it, etc. Is a true artist, then, someone who is fully committed to and lives for their art, even if they must supplement their income some other way? In the final analysis, only the person who makes the art can answer as to how serious, committed and passionate they are, although it is also often obvious to others. Posted by: Sharon on January 9, 2005 08:34 PMYes Dave, Dommael, I'm not sure if I am the one who posted the original Virginia miscarriage post, but I did get that from a friend of mine by email 2 days ago with "outrage" on the subject line...it is hard for me to comment right now (personal reasons)....it is obviously part of the concerted drive from the right to have VA become a new outpost of repression....it is a clear violation of right to privacy for women. It will not withstand a challenge in the Supreme Court, probably not even if it tips rightward. (I refuse to envision any of that). What is interesting is that the SFChronicle this morning featured a story on how the new president of Spain, Zapatero (the Socialist who defied Bush after the Madrid bombing), is committed to women's rights and rights for gays and lesbians, restraining the historic role of the Catholic church in Spain, and cracking down on the horrible abuse of women (at least 500 of whom died last year from beatings and violence from their husbands and boyfriends). Women dare not speak out there about this abuse under the current laws, which he is trying to change. Too bad HE wasn't president of OUR country. And Spain lived under a dictatorship for a full Saturn transit, too (1939-1975), and a little more. In the back of my mind, and because of something my astrology teacher has said, I believe that we may be living under such a dictatorship also, over the next 30 years ....it is just so pervasive, the momentum towards suppression (and don't we always become what we fear the most?) in human beings, and half this country seems to support that view. Perhaps at the same time, that suppression will fuel some aliveness in our American Left. Posted by: judi gemini on January 9, 2005 09:07 PMhttp://msnbc.msn.com/id/6803421/site/newsweek/ As part of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit brought by the American Civil Liberties Union, the [FBI] has released internal e-mails and correspondence recording what their own agents witnessed at Gitmo. Coupled with accounts from other agencies such as the Defense Intelligence Agency—also released as part of the FOIA lawsuit—the FBI reports amount to a powerful case that many of the scenes alleged by Al Qosi and other Gitmo detainees may actually have happened. Posted by: Pat C on January 9, 2005 09:16 PMU.S. Soldiers Flee to Canada to Avoid Iraq Pat...re widow's pensions....I think it is all a left over from the Bible, the way our country is being run (ps...the guy who sued to take God out of the pledge is going to court again, bravo for his courage, too). Last year I had an exchange with a rightwing lawyer in MI who opposes any social programs for anyone. When I asked him how the poor and the widows and their children could survive, he quoted the Bible...wherein the wealthy should allow the widows and children the ability to glean the leftovers in their fields for themselves. This man is insufferable and I stopped replying to him. But later another, quite nice man, started emailing me...turns out he also knows the lawyer, lives in the same town, and has a running battle with him, and he wrote this: This 'lawyer' is married to a very wealthy millionairess wife, does NO work, and teaches Bible classes. This kind of makes me think of yet another Alice in Wonderland story in the paper this morning: Newt Gingrich is going to run in 2008 for president. He is now criticizing all of the Bush cabal. As for Tarot....I used tarot cards for years....still do. But I consisitently get really difficult cards for myself. As I did today. It is hard to keep up the enthusiasm no matter how beautiful the deck. Or I should NOT ask anything for myself...! I am an artist and have been in many lives (certainly for sure, China and Japan)...last night I watched again a beautiful piece of art: Hayao Miyazaki's incredible "Spirited Away", which set up vibrations which had me in a different world for days when I first saw it. One of the few things Disney didn't screw with....actually did a great job of translation...and director John Lasseter says is the best film he's ever seen. And the other beautiful art piece film is 'Before Night Falls'. About gay Cuban writer Reinaldo Arenas' life before the revolution, his terrible imprisonment (for his writing and lifestyle,) attempts at escape and his life after leaving Cuba. NYC artist Julian Schnable directs...it is a visually beautiful film, which is all I am qualified to comment on. Posted by: judi gemini on January 9, 2005 09:21 PMHere is my favorite deck. http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/aquarian/ Posted by: Pat C on January 9, 2005 09:24 PMToth of the Golden Dawn deck was Aleister Crowley's creation, and it was quite different ....it is unusual, quite beautiful art done by his friend Lady Frieda Harris. They were deep into the esoteric occult ....Britain was of course quite ahead of other western countries in that revival of Egyptian hidden occult practices. Posted by: judi gemini on January 9, 2005 09:32 PMPS, I gave my Toth deck away early on....I did't feel suited to it. Alan Magee's work is quite interesting....I had seen it in some of the Communications Arts magazines years ago.... Most eye opening shows (art) I've ever seen were in LA....one was 300 years of women's art....often women had to sign their husband's names, or father's names to their work....but those ladies could PAINT! The other was also LA...the Art and Technology show was the other....where the artist was teamed with an industrial business and used their products to create art....it was amazing.... Oh...all the museums are amazing also, but those two shows ROCKED. Posted by: judi gemini on January 9, 2005 09:40 PMPS...a little women's history, art-wise...this is from the catalogue of the Women's art show in LA (1650-1950, the last artist chronologically was Georgia O'Keefe)....but I am quoting from memory, as the catalogue is packed. Guilds were started originally in Europe by women....they got together in support of their crafts. Formed Guilds. This was pretty early...13th century or so. Well, they became QUITE powerful, these guilds. So the men took them over and refused to let women into them and all was lost....and so it continues. Once it involves power and money, the men move in! Otherwise it is just 'the little women amusing themselves'.... My Wood family was part of the guild in London for Wool - cloth. William Shakespeare's father was in that guild, and when he died, the guild supported young William with some finanial assistance, I have read. Posted by: judi gemini on January 9, 2005 09:48 PMSome really intersting contributions Judi, I don't want to in any way be bad-mouthing the Thoth deck. What I've heard about the deck is that you either love it or you hate it and there's not a whole lot of in-between. I think the imagery is intricate and beautiful, but it does not speak to me intuitively. And as I said before, the deck resists interpretation and often yields readings which come off as intentionally spiteful. I always feel like doing a reading with the deck is just asking for trouble. It's like Cinderella asking the wicked stepmother for advice. You know it ain't gonna be pretty! On the other hand, I would direct people towards a deck known as the Universe Cards. It is not a tarot deck, however, I find it incredibly useful. The cards are always effective at describing the forces that are at work in one's present life. Their approach is somewhat more abstract than the tarot, less archetypal and more pricipled. But the Universe Cards are very effective when used at the right time. Posted by: Dave on January 9, 2005 10:54 PMGreetings Pat QOP, I'm actually experiencing a sort of renaissance of inspiration and drive regarding the Tarot Card Deck. In fact the partially completed Ten of Keys (Wands) is resting beside the computer - I've been working on it, reading the comments and listening to music all morning. I've been going to a Jungian therapist for about 8 weeks and we've together been sorting out the complex maze of archetypes, memories and issues lurking within my psyche. I must say that my discussions with Sally and her suggestions of literature and websites continue to inspire me and keep my head where it needs to be to do this. The deck is shaping up in interesting ways. It started out going in four directions: keys (wands), skulls (pentacles), daggers (swords) and cups. Now I am only three cards away from the face cards (pages, knights, queens and kings) and completing the Major Arcana. I've been thirsting to incorporate more portraiture for a year and now that I'm nearing the face cards I finally will be able to. I expect the deck will start moving in a new direction and my synchronicity and prescience will expand along with it. I've been working on this project for many years now and finally the end is in sight - and its turning into a very profound and illuminating end indeed. One of the fellows I work with creates websites on the side and I expect to have a link in the very near future that I can share with ya'll. A picture is worth a thousand words, no? ~Dommael Posted by: Dommael on January 9, 2005 10:56 PMI work with several Tarot decks, but the one I love the most is the Shakespeare deck. I work with the Thoth when I'm feeling "dark" and I work with the Shakespeare deck when I'm feeling "up." With clients, I used to work with the French Rider-Waite Deck. I haven't touched the cards in several months. Maybe it's time to reconnect with them. Thanks all for inspiring me to do so! :-) Posted by: Jonathan on January 9, 2005 11:06 PMUniverse deck http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/universe/ Shakespeare deck http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/shakespeare/ Nice, really nice. Posted by: Pat C on January 9, 2005 11:43 PMDommael, I look forward to seeing your work. A picture is indeed worth a thousand words. I'm really inspired by anything Jungian. Posted by: Pat C on January 9, 2005 11:46 PMhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1386231,00.html Bush 'the king' blows $50m on coronation President's lavish inauguration is 'obscene' when US troops are dying in Iraq war, say critics Posted by: Pat C on January 10, 2005 12:58 AMMarjorie Cohn | Dear Mr. Gonzales German Accuses U.S. of Kidnap and Torture U.S. Troops Kill Iraq Civilians in Botched Strikes Tsunami Orphans Offered for Sale GOP 'Doomsday' Plan Rewrites U.S. Constitution Dommael, Abbas Elected Palestinian Authority President Has anyone seen this yet? Brilliant idea... http://www.notonedamndime.com/boycott/ Posted by: Nexxus on January 10, 2005 04:06 AMYou are so right, Dommael. I am deeply, deeply encouraged by all of this. I can see the committment, seriousness, and sincerity in the artist's character. All societies cycle between freedom and oppression. It is natural. Unavoidable. The Blues came out of slavery and impacted our culture with more power than these Neocons could ever dream of possessing. Without too much blame or false hope, we have to work within the confines. I believe art has always redeemed mankind. And artists know how to endure hard times. Posted by: jm on January 10, 2005 04:14 AMJudi, I loved "Spirited Away" and also like the other film by the same people - "Princess Mioka" (I don't think the princess's name is right, but it's something like that.) Dommael, I really look forward to seeing your Tarot deck. Here's some info on the Inauguration protests for people in the D.C. area (or anyone planning to travel there) in case they don't already know about this. I've edited it slightly but the contact info is below. Momentum Grows for Converge at 4th St. & Pennsylvania Ave. - Find buses from your city - Converge at 4th St. & Pennsylvania Ave. A permit has been obtained for a mass convergence at 4th St. and Pennsylvania Ave. along the north side of the parade route. You can bring your own signs or pick up signs, banners and other materials at this location. Any sign that is made of cardboard, posterboard or cloth and that is no larger than 3 feet by 20 feet and 1/4 inch in thickness can be brought to the parade route. We will provide additional logistical information in the coming days. The Bush administration has done everything to try to prevent mass assembly protest along Pennsylvania Avenue on January 20. We are involved in an ongoing legal and political challenge, asserting the right of the people to line the inaugural route. The whole world will be watching Pennsylvania Avenue on January 20, 2005, just as they were at the inauguration on January 20, 2001. At the same time as we are continuing to fight to stop the government from creating large exclusive use sections lining the public parade route solely for Bush supporters and donors, we want to make it clear to everyone that we have obtained permitted space and that under all circumstances you have the lawful right to come to Pennsylvania Avenue and to make your views known, seen, and heard. Pennsylvania Avenue does not belong to Corporate America and the ultra-right. The government is glad to give antiwar organizations a permit to go anywhere but Pennsylvania Avenue. They have been attempting the same tactic they used during the Republican National Convention when they tried to banish mass protest from midtown Manhattan, the site of the RNC. Don't be diverted. The only way to maintain our right to demonstrate at the site of the inauguration is to come to Pennsylvania Avenue in large numbers as close to 9 am as possible on January 20. The Bush/Cheney Presidential Inaugural Committee and the National Park Service know full well that unless people arrive at Pennsylvania Avenue as close to 9 am as possible it is unlikely they will gain access to the area. To reiterate: We have obtained a permit for an antiwar convergence at 4th St. and Pennsylvania Avenue. Those organizing bus transportation, vans, car caravans, or planning individual transportation should do everything in their power to be at 4th St. and Pennsylvania Avenue, and along the Pennsylvania Avenue parade route, as close to 9 am as possible. The Bush government is using national security as a pretext to avoid the political embarrassment of thousands of people holding up antiwar signs and banners as the presidential caravan travels, first to the Capitol and later to the White House along Pennsylvania Avenue. FUNDS ARE URGENTLY NEEDED FOR THE JANUARY 20 MOBILIZATION BUSES FROM ACROSS THE U.S. A.N.S.W.E.R. organizers are in touch with people organizing buses, vans and car caravans that are coming to be on Pennsylvania Avenue from across the East Coast, Midwest, South and West. In a tremendous display of the vast opposition that exists to the Bush administration's criminal war against Iraq and the other elements of their reactionary program here and abroad, a massive number of people are coming to DC from every region of the country. Cities organizing transportation to Washington DC include: A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition
http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5099283-103677,00.html Posted by: wv on January 10, 2005 11:55 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-4723291,00.html Posted by: wv on January 10, 2005 12:10 PMwv, Sad to say but the article you posted from the Guardian hit the nail right on the head~I second your amen! This last election was such an overwhelming disappointment and I don't see any kind of leadership forth coming capable of helping the Democratic party get back it's backbone~~It’s darn pathetic when the only two Democrats on capitol hill that have shown any balls are two lone, brave women. It’s now exceedingly hard for me to think about America’s current situation without overwhelming disgust and foreboding. Sorry to say but I believe the liberal/Democrat is now an endangered species and may very well (more than likely) go the way of the dodo bird within the next ten years. Hate, greed, corruption and prejudice are now the order of the day in America~It will take something akin to a “tsunami of moral awakening” to change this current situation~I feel like a stranger in a strange land. How true, how true~"As Frederick Douglass, the abolitionist, once said: "Power concedes nothing without demand." Since liberals stopped demanding, the right has stopped conceding." We'll see. http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61686-2005Jan9?language=printer Democrats Are United in Plans To Block Top Bush Initiatives As President Bush prepares for his second term, Democrats in Washington and around the country are organizing for a year of confrontation and resistance, saying they are determined to block Bush's major initiatives and thereby deny him the mandate he has claimed from his reelection victory last November.
More... Posted by: Pat C on January 10, 2005 03:13 PMNo Child Left Behind: Neil Bush has a colorful history, including failed S&Ls, insider stock trading scandals, and well, general Bush family corruption. We already know that Armstrong Williams received a handsome payday from the taxpayer for pimping No Child Left Behind for Bush, but Neil Bush benefits directly from No Child Left Behind, picking pockets in all school districts as his software company preps students for the standardized tests required by NCLB. Neil Bush founded Ignite Incorporated, a software company that helps students prepare to take comprehensive tests required under the No Child Left Behind act. A phone call by one of the readers of my blog to Ignite's toll free number reached a company directory that was able to locate Neil Bush's extension -- so it's still his baby with the dough rolling in. more............................................................ http://dailykos.com/story/2005/1/8/125556/7027 click on Ignite Incorporated when you get this site up......It certainly isn't the most *artistically* Starrynights, I understand your reasoning but I cannot let myself think that way. It reminds me of one of the first times I went to a professional astrologer. He told me that I would not have a career to speak of, a marriage that would be a disappointment and that my brain was like a big bucket...with nothing in it. When I asked him exactly what did I have he answered that I had to two arms and two legs. Guess what I did with that tape. I threw it in the trash because I could not continue my life believing that. I was only twenty-two. The Dems have made some big mistakes but I think it will get better because it has to. If the Dems want to survive they have no other choice. Right or wrong I cannot give up hope. Besides, what's the alternative? Becoming a Repug? No way in hell! Just my two cents. Posted by: Abilene on January 10, 2005 03:47 PMOne of the marks of fascism is "one-party". While there may be individuals of a liberal bent, that is to say those who oppose fascism, there is no viable political organization/party in power to oppose them. The fascists have the power. Fascist governments historically have not been defeated from within. [You may find those statements dogmatic - for me, they ring true. You're welcome to your own view.] I recall during the 50s and 60s hearing smug arrogant comments from Americans that if the Russian people did not like Communism, they should get some backbone and rise against it. The Americans were not willing to factor in or were simply ignorant of, the insidious KGB whose members might include a Russian's relative or neighbor. Not having lived in such an environment made it difficult to understand why the Russian people simply didn't throw off the yoke. The Patriot Act is bringing about the same sort of 'informer network' here in America. I believe it was back in the summer when John D. Negroponte was appointed "US Ambassador" to Iraq (such a quaint title for such a wicked man in such a horrific job description!). It's taken a while, but the internet is abuzz with "news" of death squads in Iraq (see antiwar.com for one source, or google it up). Now comes Gonzales, the odious author of presidential memos to make torture the order of the day, as nominee for US Attorney General. What do you think is in store for us here at home? Warm and fuzzy? I believe it was Socrates who proved to be such a "gadfly" as he himself described his role... his provocation of his fellow Greeks to 'define' their terms of 'truth', 'virtue', 'wisdom' and the like made them so miserable they could do nothing short of execute him. Leaders? I see none on the horizon... Paul Krugman qualifies as a 'gadfly'... and I'm sure there are a few others... I simply can't bring them to mind at the moment. We live in a country now governed by a regime which defines patriot as one who supports the LEADER - one who does not, as a terrorist... and calls itself the 'law'... which proclaims it is spreading democracy by invading and killing innocents --- describes black as white, up as down, etc., etc. Corpofascists have no national alligence... like pirates they are merely interested in bounty. For them, the world is their oyster... and it troubles them not a wit that America has been 'sacked' (from within), they are moving on to greener pastures, while we are becoming a banana republic with faux elections, faux security (we'll protect you from the terrorists!), faux currency... faux media... faux leadership. Don't like the picture? I don't either. But it is the one I see. Funny you should mention the Lakota Sioux, Pat C. Manifest Destiny rides again! The Lakota Sioux and all the many other Native Americans, all the slaves, African Americans --- they were not enough. The Iraqis will not be enough. I am not a Senator or a Congressperson... Barbara Boxer can take a stand for many, I can't. But every day that I live I encounter opportunities to stand and speak or be silent. Though small by comparison, they are important opportunities nonetheless... at least to me. Posted by: Jo on January 10, 2005 04:53 PMHell yes Abilene! Abilene, that astrologer should have been banned from practicing. That is rediculous! What a creep. Jo, what can I say? I think it is best to avoid fighting except when going to war. The Dems should have gone to war with the nocons long ago though. Posted by: Pat C on January 10, 2005 05:00 PMhttp://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2005/01/replaying-florida-in-washington.html Stealing the election in Washington State, and Fascism grows Posted by: Pat C on January 10, 2005 05:24 PMJo, excellent point about the Russian citizens and Soviet oppression. Was recently re-reading a series of articles about the filming of Margaret Atwood's "The Handmaid's Tale". Someone--I think it was Atwood--said that Americans always think the protagonist is unbelievably passive: "why doesn't she resist" etc. Atwood or whoever responded--"she wanted to survive." Just was reading about the American soldier who was given a few months prison time, though not discharged, because as the American said, an Iraqi man made a throat-cutting gesture to his troops. The soldier had his men throw the gesturer and his companion off the bridge into a swift-flowing river. One of them drowned. That guy wasn't passive and look what happened. Here is a quote I just read for the first time. (Not from the original source, you should know, but quoted again in another book.) "Hope is not the belief that things will turn out well, but the conviction that what we are doing makes sense, no matter how things turn out." We each have to do what we can for what is right and humane, and not judge what anybody else can or can't do. Maybe this will be our finest hour. Posted by: Barbara on January 10, 2005 07:12 PMAbilene, For me . . .. It’s not a matter of “ thinking that way” it’s a matter of attempting to understand the enemy and why Democrats have found themselves in such a sorry state, and in the minority in such a big way. I have yet to see little if any leadership “we” have elected that will stand up and fight back, except the few, like Barbara Boxer. (For Example ~ Did you get a good look at the new Minority leader? OMG. . . .He makes Tom Dashle seem like some kind of a liberal firebrand. Zoë Lofgren is my congresswoman and I spoke with her recently and I told her how afraid/disappointed I was with the leadership in the Democratic Party and fear for it’s future as nothing more than just an extension/yes man for the Republican Party. She assured me I was not alone, many of her more liberal leaning colleagues and constituents are feeling the same way. Zoë was (is) a big Dean supporter and I often think perhaps a new party with the likes of Lofgren, Boxer, and Dean and well “all of us” could be the hope of progressive thinker in the US. No, I haven’t given up or given in (not just yet) and I’m darn “Proud I live in a Blue State” and I am still very involved with my local Democratic party. But if all the Democrats continue to do is apologize for being “liberal” and pussyfoot around and let those *astards have Carte Blanch with our lives and future then we are sunk. I am giving this immediate crew of wishy-washy Democrats one more chance and then I am going to join the rebellion to form a new more progressive, less timid liberal party, hopefully lead by the likes of a Howard Dean. uptread, whoever posted about their astrological calendar, asking if "3rd Virgo", "lst Aires" etc might refer to the Moon-- Most calendars show the full moon (the day it is opposite the sun) as a circle, and the new moon (the day the moon is conjunct the sun) as a dark or filled in circle. The quarters are shown as half filled in circles. If the dark side is on the right, the moon is waning (moving toward the Sun). If the dark circle is on the left, the moon is waxing (moving away from the Sun and toward full.) This is also true of the moon in the sky. When the right side of the moon is dark, the moon is waning. If it is light, the moon is waxing. Today, Jan 10 is a new moon so your calendar should show the moon in Capricorn (where the Sun is). Posted by: Barbara on January 10, 2005 07:57 PMwell, i've been waiting patiently for the new article to post the following but here goes: more pics from DC Rally-March-Rally 1/6/05 [b]Rally at Lafayette Park[/b] Pre-rally news interview, David Cobb, Green Candidate, chief litigant, Ohio fraud suit. Rev. Jackson tells the truth. Note NOW sign (their President also spoke) Ohio [b]***VOTING RIGHTS***[/b] activist reports on the search for the truth. Representing the Hip-Hop Coalition, rapper & Ohio folks do a number (one of the best parts of the day) Crowd disperses from Lafayette Park marching 1.0 mile to Capitol Hill [b]The Not So Long March[/b] Yeah, though I walk through the Valley of the Lobbyists, on the street headed for the Hill. Cabbies come out of cabs to high-five marchers (one of numerous signs of support) “May I ask your destination?” Exact words of this very friendly senior DC Police official. “Capitol Hill, sir.” And he gave us directions. Vies of the cross-roads of democracy, Capitol Hill, mid day. Chilling. The long march is nearing an end. [b]Park Next to Dirksen Senate Office Building and Across from US Capitol[/b] We were greeted by troubadours and merriment by the Lytel gathered crowd already on Capitol Hill. David Lytel checks his email while the crowd is entertained. The US Flag at half mast over the Senate Office Building (for Rep. Matsui & also in honor of what would be done that day). David Lytel at podium. Great speaker and[b] ***VOTING RIGHTS***[/b] activist rouses the crowd. The signs say it all: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/autorank/Picture180.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/autorank/Picture192.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/autorank/Picture181.jpg The Capitol of the United States (House & Senate) at mid day. Police told people, only members and those with staff ID’s. So much for “the people’s House.” DU rabble rouser shows respect by displaying fellow DEM blog sign. George Bush is a _________________________ But seriously, “steady as she goes and…” [b]KEEP THE DREAM ALIVE[/B] [b]THE FLAME STILL BURNS[/B]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/autorank/boxer.jpg Posted by: mike on January 10, 2005 08:39 PMStarrynights, I'm gald you enjoyed the story. I can laugh about it now but at the time I was so defeated. Good thing for me he was totally wrong. Like you, when Kerry lost, it was as if somebody close to me had died. It has taken months to shake it off and be positive. Jo, I hear what you say and you have some very valid points. This great country of ours has seen some very dark days and it's in the mist of another one. I try to remember what a very wise person once told me- don't judge! Because we do not really know what the outcome will be or whether or not it's good or bad. Anything worth while is never easy and we have to prove ourselves over and over again. IMHO it's just how it is. Posted by: Abilene on January 10, 2005 08:56 PMOh, Mike, Mike, Mike--thanks for all the links to those pictures. Have passed them on to our webmistress so they will be posted on our club website and accessible to our fans in this little backwater.
http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/index.php Posted by: wv on January 10, 2005 11:44 PMhttp://www.bear-left.com/links.html Lots of good links for all kinds of info. Posted by: Jill G on January 11, 2005 12:05 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6803421/site/newsweek/ Posted by: wv on January 11, 2005 12:19 AM Democrats United in Plans to Block Top Bush Initiatives "It looks like Democrats are going to stay firm and stay united," said Roger Hickey, one of the leaders of the Campaign for America's Future. "Bush is asking Republicans to bite a harder bullet than he did four years ago." Grass-roots Democrats feed the appetite to battle Bush, giving Democratic leaders in Washington more incentive to challenge the president. "I've been struck how funders and groups like MoveOn are very engaged and are not letting up at all," said Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg. Four years ago, he said, Democrats pulled back, but this time there is pressure from the grass roots to continue the fight. "Democrats took a licking [in November], but see themselves back in the battle," Greenberg said. "I don't think outside forces will allow Democrats [in Washington] to disengage." Between this, Armstrong Williams saying there are others like him who were paid by the WH, and Congress now talking about exiting Iraq (which will promptly erupt into civil war), this HAS to be the beginning of the WH's descent into shame and ignominy... White House, Pentagon, Industry Secretly Colluded to Skew National Academy of Sciences Perchlorate Report, Documents Show WASHINGTON -- January 10 -- The White House, the Defense Department, and defense contractors collaborated in a backroom campaign to manipulate a federal report on health threats posed by perchlorate, a toxic rocket fuel ingredient, according to documents recently obtained by NRDC (Natural Resources Defense Council). The chemical, which has been found in water and food supplies nationally, attacks the thyroid gland, and is especially harmful to fetuses and infants. The National Academy of Sciences (NAS) is officially releasing the report tomorrow. (Click here for an overview of the campaign and to see key documents.) "The Defense Department's job is to protect Americans, not threaten our health, but these documents show that it is conspiring with its contractors and the White House to twist the science and avoid cleaning up a chemical that threatens our children's health," said Erik D. Olson, a senior attorney with NRDC, which obtained the documents through Freedom of Information Act lawsuits. "We've never seen such a brazen campaign to pressure the National Academy of Sciences to downplay the hazards of a chemical, but it fits the pattern of this administration manipulating science at the expense of public health." (Over the last year more than 6,000 U.S. scientists, including 48 Nobel laureates, 62 National Medal of Science recipients, and several science advisers to past Republican presidents, signed a letter accusing the Bush administration of distorting and censoring science for political purposes (for more information, go to the Union of Concerned Scientists' Web site). For decades, the Defense Department and its contractors have used millions of pounds of perchlorate, often carelessly, contaminating water and food supplies across the country. It has been detected in drinking water supplies used by more than 20 million Americans, and has recently been found in milk and lettuce and other crops that the Food and Drug Administration and others have tested. Lawsuits have been filed in California against Pentagon contractors that contaminated drinking water supplies with perchlorate, triggering a protracted battle over how much they will have to clean up and whether low-level perchlorate exposure is associated with disease. Perchlorate hampers the thyroid gland's normal functioning, which can disrupt normal brain development in fetuses and infants. The Defense Department has been blocking government efforts to address perchlorate pollution for more than a decade, but in the last few years it has intensified its campaign in the face of new revelations about its toxicity. In January 2002, the Environmental Protection Agency issued for peer review its third public draft assessment of perchlorate's toxicity since 1992, recommending that 1 part per billion (ppb) was the safe level in drinking water. In response, the Pentagon and its contractors lobbied to stop the assessment process and, with the help of the White House, ultimately wrested the assessment from EPA and handed it to NAS in 2003, a move that many observers viewed as a stalling tactic. The Pentagon has maintained that any perchlorate level below 200 ppb in drinking water is safe http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0110-09.htm barbara, glad you're making use of the pics. enjoy! Posted by: mike on January 11, 2005 01:34 AMbarbara and anyone else interested, here are two links to a continuous presentation of the two sets of links i sent, Pictures from 1/6/05 DC Rally & March http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=255393 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=272275 The battle on a less mundane level http://www.counterpunch.org/hill01042005.html Mel must of been placed on the proper medication because. . . Last time I saw him on TV he was all wild eyed and was giving Raspitin a run for his money~"Boy does Michael Moore deserve all the awards he can get"! "ODD COUPLE MEL GIBSON AND MICHAEL MOORE EXCHANGE PRAISE" PASADENA, Calif. - Mel Gibson and Michael Moore have been used as shorthand for cultural and political divisions among Americans, but how do the filmmakers feel about each other? Cue the Hollywood ending - it's hugs all around. "I saw the film. I liked it," Gibson told AP Radio Sunday at the 31st Annual People's Choice Awards, countering the contention that "Fahrenheit 9/11" fans and "The Passion of the Christ" enthusiasts are mutually exclusive groups. CONTINUED~ Hi all, My mother, about to turn 99, as I mentioned in another post will do so in about 18 days. She wants to read books on ghosts and the other side. She is starting to prepare herself. I wish I could say with certainty there is another side. Sometimes I'm sure of other dimensions, sometimes I'm not. And the thought of her death depresses me very much. Then there is Peter Jennings tonight blithering about the concept of God in this tsunami. I feel myself getting hot under the collar. Sodom and Gomorah (sp?) blew up due to an earthquake triggering and igniting all the sulfur in the rock formations there. (Discovery channel). God had nothing to do with it. We still are living in the dark ages. My mother wants to know how much Bush is giving of his own personal money to the tsunami relief effort. Good question. How much? And I want to know how much is fact and how much is fiction in what I read these days. Is, was Boxer just posturing? Jones, just posturing? Kerry going nuts by asking us to call Hastert? And did the Dems really win Washington State fair and square? How much voter fraud can we ascribe to the Dems? I just want the facts. I'm sick of spin. Hey Beasley- Garry, you have such a beautiful way with words and expressing what is in your heart and spirit. And Beasley, I think the big event of the year is not political but your mother turning 99 in 18 days. That is really something. What a privilege! What a matriarch! About the Bible and other holy books, I wouldn't take every word literally, but I think there is something there. Some of the wording may be awkward or primative but... What if much of it was true? Yes, science can explain what is happening but who created the laws of science and what about the timing of certain events? It is just possible that G-d (the great spirit) is closer than breath itself. Posted by: Sharon on January 11, 2005 03:41 AMwow, Beasley, that is really cool. Congrats to your mom for hangin' around so long. As for the "afterlife", well, it's basically whatever she thinks/ wants it to be, just like the present- Listening to Mike Malloy on Air America who is outraged at the Democrats who have knuckled under and sucked up and kissed ass to Gonzales.... It is GOOD to hear some real moral outrage.....to balance out the DEAFENING silence from the Democratic Leadership....except for Boxer. And I am SURE they will make her pay for what she did. Posted by: judi gemini on January 11, 2005 04:17 AMThis ia a great read: this is why environmentalism is so important....and if you can, find a copy of Bill Moyer's latest speech "Battlefield Earth" for NDRC (National Rescources Defence Council) but I got it by email and don't have a url. How societies commit suicide I came across this tonight and I thought you might like it. I Ching: Hexagram #51: the Arousing(shock, thunder) When a man has learned within his heart what fear and trembling mean, he is safeguarded against any terror produced by outside influences. Let the thunder roll and spread terror a hundred miles around: he remains so composed and reverent in spirit that the sacrificial rite is not interrupted. This is the spirit that must animate leaders and rulers of men - a profound inner seriousness from which all outer terors glance off harmlessly. If you would, please paste this'r' in 'terors." Posted by: jm on January 11, 2005 11:31 AMHere is the missing 'r'. Posted by: jm on January 11, 2005 11:33 AMLocal ABC ( FAUX News/ Disney affliliation) station is leaning on the story of the 4 CBS employees that were fired over the AWOL story. 3 of the 4 are women! Dan Rather wasn't fired; because he had already stated his intention to retire in MArch! I wonder what is at the bottom of this story? and if we'll ever know? Is sthis the next big story? http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardianfilms/fallujah/0,15693,1387082,00.html Pat - the real story is that the media are too bloody lazy to get off their behinds and find the Judi Gem - there is NO Democratic Leadership. Those in Government who call themselves Democrats Beasley, the only thing I can assure you of is that there is another side. There is much more than this that we see every day of this life. Happy bithday to your mom. :-D Posted by: Pat C on January 11, 2005 02:17 PMUkraine Orders Troops Withdrawn From Iraq Posted by: Pat C on January 11, 2005 02:30 PMPosted in the comments of Eschaton: On January 20th, 2005, Millions of people around the world will protest the inauguration of George W. Bush in one form or another. Check it out. Posted by: abilene on January 11, 2005 02:59 PMThis man was nominated to head of Homeland Security at approximately 10am EST http://www.usdoj.gov/olp/chertoffresume.htm Michael Chertoff
http://www.counterpunch.org/cassel06112003.html This dark Mordor..... the gremlins are rising....the CBS story...pathetic...and yes, I did notice that 3 of the 4 who were fired were women, but the real victim was Mapes, who has garned all the main blame. AND SHE WAS THE ONE WHO BROKE THE ABU GRAIB STORY....from the Chronicle: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/01/11/MNG5NAODFC1.DTL I do not agree with Tim Goodman's last sentence....I would bet she was RIGHT. But who will know that now? She is probably finished, just like Gary Webb was...and he was right, too.... I am bitter beyond belief...actually, bitter beyond cynicisim. Sharon, the name of the Miyazaki movie is Princess Mononoke.... Posted by: judi gemini on January 11, 2005 05:51 PMJM....great hexagram....love the iChing. Posted by: judi gemini on January 11, 2005 05:53 PMBush's Death Squads Daddy had death squads 20 years ago in South America and now Georgie Jr will have them too. Posted by: Jill G on January 11, 2005 06:12 PMAre we truly now descending into a preNazi era much like the 1930's? It surely seems like it. Posted by: judi gemini on January 11, 2005 06:17 PMPerhaps we've been there for a while. Posted by: Pat C on January 11, 2005 06:35 PMPat C....perhaps because of the internet, the veils are being ripped off more quickly. The Repugs just yell at us as we say these things about global warming, torture, goon death squads, voting irregularities, broken promises and a fascist government.....'THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING" and then laugh heartily between themselves at the stupid 'liberals' whiny fears. Last night I happened to catch some of a documentary about the 3-4 centuries of Vikings who overran, pillaged, looted, raped and killed Europeans, and in particular, targeted the very rich Catholic facilities throughout Europe, before receding into the mists of assimilation....and 1300 years after their first raids in the 8th century, they are Socialists!!!! Can't help but think of these rethugs as the vikings of old. Posted by: Judi gemini on January 11, 2005 07:11 PMYou will need to page down: Last month the ACLU's ongoing Freedom of Information Act request for documents relating to the mistreatment of detainees in the War on Terra revealed an FBI memo that referenced an executive order signed by George Bush authorizing illegal acts of torture. Today we learn that they have uncovered another document that may be even more damning. [P]apers obtained by the ACLU include a heavily edited document referring to an investigation captioned "Corruption Federal Public Official – Executive Branch," which appears to have been referred to the FBI because of a "conflict of interest." Accompanying this document is an FBI summary of "potentially relevant criminal statutes." The statutes pertain to war crimes, torture, aggravated sexual abuse, and sexual abuse of a minor or ward. Oh, my. I wonder which corrupt official in the executive branch may be implicated in "war crimes, torture, aggravated sexual abuse, and sexual abuse of a minor or ward"? Rumsfeld? Bush himself? The ACLU is going back to court because they think more documents are being witheld, and to gain access to the text that was redacted from those documents they did receive. Stay tuned, this could get hot. Judi Gemini--always enjoy your posts but have to say, if the Vikings of old were like the neo-cons they would send their serfs out to do the fighting while they stood off-shore in their boats until it was safe to come in and load up the loot. :-) Posted by: Barbara on January 11, 2005 07:54 PMExactly judi! You've hit the nail on the head. That's wonderful about your grandmother. I hope you get to have more conversations with her. abilene, I think we should all join the ACLU and give them our support with membership. Imagine. Posted by: Pat C on January 11, 2005 09:14 PMhttp://www.itaffectsyou.org/blog/index.php?p=356 This past Sunday, the Eastside Women's Health Clinic in Washington State was set on fire. Among other health services, the clinic provides abortions and so been picketed for twenty years by those opposed to reproductive rights. The investigating agencies have all agreed it was arson, yet amazingly after only a few days and before any suspects are named, they are dismissing it as a "random act." The FBI has even withdrawn from the investigation. Pat C. - I'm proud to say I'm already a member! Hmmm... With the ACLU following the trail of a criminal investigation of the executive branch, and, per DU breaking news, requesting information of 22 gov. agencies regarding their contracts with PR firms (to find out if there are other instances like Armstrong Williams), surely something will stick. I'm not forgetting that a few reputable psychics and intuitives have predicted a VERY embarrassing scandal for the WH. I believe one said this May and another said May '06. Posted by: Sharon on January 11, 2005 11:24 PMhttp://www.aclu.org/Legislative/LegislativeMain.cfm Posted by: Pat C on January 11, 2005 11:36 PMHoward Dean just announced that he is running for the DNC chairmanship. I read that his announcement was around 1pm - astrologers, any thoughts on his success on this? I still feel he has a major role to play for this country. Posted by: Jeanie on January 12, 2005 12:36 AMSharon, according to Captain Sally, on April 9th of this year, the progressed suns of Smirky, SmirkySr. & SmirkyFounder will be conjunct in Virgo--and here comes Uranus. Among other things. Captain Sally will hopefully take it from here and explain it to you. I don't know when I have looked forward to something so much--maybe for Santa Claus many decades ago. Posted by: shylurker on January 12, 2005 01:11 AMAW'rs SL, I await April 9 with baited breath. Posted by: Sharon on January 12, 2005 02:09 AMHere's a good word to remember...ODIOUS. That is what a Rep Thomas (R-VA) is calling the Bush White House...because they are REFUSING to pay DC for the security expenses for the inauguration!!! Hubris, hubris, hubris....April can't come too soon...even if it does mean taxes, also. 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It is VERY clear that these are thoughtless jerks....and like cockroaches and fleas and rats, will always be with us. gosh, that tiny rant made me feel MUCH better. Posted by: judi gemini on January 12, 2005 03:28 AMjudi, my apologies for that mistake. I know how hard it can be to deal with an aging parent. You have my sympathetic undstanding. Namaste. Posted by: Pat C on January 12, 2005 03:48 AMSome State Representative from Virginia (as mentioned upthread) has tried to pass a Bill making it a crime for a woman to neglect reporting a miscarrage, even early in the pregnancy. Now we have a REPUGLICAN Rep. who calls the * White House ODIUS. I'm so confused. Posted by: Pat C on January 12, 2005 03:52 AMJudi, I went through something similar with my mom. I would visit her, lie down next to her in her hospital-style bed (I bought her a beautiful comforter), hold her hand and we'd watch TV. She had dementia but could still make jokes and tease me. What a special time it was. She was a beautiful person inside and out and, unfortunately, died at 83. Of course, I still wish I had made the time to visit her more than 1 or 2 times a week, but I have a feeling she forgives me. A few times she told me she wanted to go home and my heart would break. You are very lucky to still have your mother at age 95 - both you & Beasley. I hope both your mothers are comfortable and pain-free. Posted by: Sharon on January 12, 2005 03:54 AMDear Friend: I want to thank you for the time and energy you have already given to help me in my pursuit of the truth about the 2004 Presidential election, particularly the truth about what happened in Ohio. I also want to let you know what I will be working on in the coming months. I believe what we achieved on January 6 will be a seminal event in the history of progressive politics, and significantly advance the cause of electoral reform. For this challenge to Ohio’s electors to have occurred, I owe a tremendous debt of gratitude to the internet activists, who spread the story of my efforts and supported me in every way possible. I am also thankful to the alternative media, including talk radio and blogs that gave substantial attention and investigation to these matters when all but a handful in the mainstream media refused to examine the facts. I cannot thank all of you personally, but you know who you are. With the exigency of January 6 behind us, I wanted to let you know what I will be doing in the coming months. First, my investigation of Ohio voting irregularities is not over. In an effort to get as much information confirmed and circulated in advance of January 6, many valuable leads still need to be pursued and I pledge to do so. Substantial irregularities have come to light in other states during the course of this investigation and I will also pursue those leads. While there has been powerful opposition to my efforts and personal attacks against me as a result of my efforts, I want to assure you I remain steadfast. Second, there are other matters involving wrongdoing by Administration officials that I will continue to pursue. Among other things, I will continue to seek answers about the role of senior Bush Administration officials in outing an undercover Central Intelligence Agency operative. I will also continue to examine the sources of the fraudulent case for the Iraq war, which intersects with the outing of this operative. Third, I intend to develop and introduce legislation in a number of areas. Most importantly, I intend to introduce comprehensive election reform legislation in the coming weeks, and I will fight for its passage at the earliest possible moment. I intend to hold further hearings on this issue. I will also continue to fight the job loss and the loss of retirement security that has so negatively impacted working families in my district, and I will fight the economic policies of this Administration that are the cause of these serious problems. Finally, the Judiciary Committee will also be at the center of the efforts to oversee the U.S.A. Patriot Act and ascertain which, if any, provisions should be renewed. I expect to lead the fight against a number of provisions that I believe compromise our civil liberties. Again, thank you for all you have done. I look forward to working with you on these and other important matters in the weeks and months ahead. 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This is the kind of stinky conflict of interest that hardly suggests "independent." Why not just appoint Karl Rove as CBS' grand inquisitor and be done with it? Then there's Boccardi, not exactly a prince of journalism. This is the gent who, as CEO of the Associated Press, spiked his own wire service's exposure of Oliver North and his traitorous dealings with the Ayatollah Khomeini. Legendary AP investigative reporters Robert Parry and Brian Barger found their stories outing the Iran-Contra scandal in 1986 stopped by their bosses. They did not know that Boccardi was on those very days deep in the midst of talks with North, participating in the conspiracy. Today I spoke with Parry at his home in Virginia. He was sympathetic to Boccardi who at the time was trying to spring AP reporter Terry Anderson held hostage in Iran. But to do so, Boccardi joined, unwittingly, in a criminal conspiracy to trade guns for hostages. He then spiked his own news agency's investigation of it. Parry later discovered a 1986 email from North to John Poindexter in which North notes that Boccardi "is supportive of our terropism (sic) policy" and wants to keep the story "quiet." Poindexter was indicted, then pardoned. Boccardi was not, and there is no indication he knew he was abetting a crime. But the AP demoted journalist Barger and forced him to quit for -- the offense of trying to report the biggest story of the decade. This hardly gives Mr. Spike the qualification to pass judgment on working journalists. More... Posted by: Pat C on January 12, 2005 04:17 AMhttp://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=537 Researcher cited in CBS Bush Guard 60 minutes report responds Posted by: Pat C on January 12, 2005 04:54 AMOh my.... http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/extra/archives/001326.html http://www.opednews.com/duncan_090504_njterrorism2.htm The mention of Chertoff is near the end of the second article, and it's a real winner. 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