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An Expensive School
For four long years, those on the left have been nurturing their anger and feeding the flames of outrage with each new travesty committed by the brazen radicals in the Bush administration. To abandon the rage was to lose the war, and so, they soldiered on, exchanging harrowing tales in cyberland of shredded treaties, furious allies, environmental pillage, and fascist audacities. The flames grew into a wild inferno of fury and disdain, focused with precision on an administration that was to be defeated at all cost. Multi-millions of hard earned dollars were donated in bits and pieces; thousands of hours of barely-free time were freely sacrificed to the cause. But when the election passed, and the Evil Emperor and his Goon Squad trumpeted their victory, the once vast conflagration became an immeasurable tract of burnt-out devastation and smoking ruins. The survivors still wander aimlessly, trying to asses the damage and completely unsure about how and what to rebuild. In the memorable words of Ben Franklin, “Experience is an expensive school, but fools will learn in no other way.” Our nation was given a choice, and it chose the way of the fool. On the one hand, we could join the world as one among equals and struggle to curtail our greedy and irresponsible use of the world’s resources, our hatred-inspiring preemptive wars, and our profligate ways. On the other, we could continue along the path blazed by George Bush, using militancy for diplomacy, degrading the environment, ignoring the alarm bells of global warming, blithely growing our debt, and encouraging, rather than curtailing, the avaricious, rapacious, and conscienceless corporations that make it all possible. Since all choices have consequences, we will reap the consequences of our fateful November decision. Perhaps, like the alcoholic who refuses to give up his destructive habits until he crashes, we will have a national “bottoming out” that will serve to painfully wake us up. And perhaps, from the perspective of many, many years hence, we will be able to say that another four years of George Bush was ultimately a good thing, because the predictably dire consequences eventually forced us into a new, more austere way of life, as one among equals in the global neighborhood, responsible about resources and our natural habitat and respectful of other nations and of the most vulnerable among us. But, experience is a very expensive school… Already we are immersed in the feeling that the once rock-solid foundation of America is beginning to crumble, and there is nothing and no one attempting repair. The dollar has plunged to new lows, with no end in sight. Bush feels this is good for trade and does nothing to halt the decline, ignoring the deep resentment it is unleashing in other nations as it sabotages their own efforts at economic growth. Freedom of the press is undergoing a dangerous onslaught from two directions. The corporate-owned media manipulatively guides the national mindset with its bottom-line, regulation-free agenda, which is consequently pro-Republican and not averse to propaganda and cover-ups. Moreover, there are currently eight contempt of court cases against journalists who refuse to give the names of their confidential sources. Since these anonymous sources are often the only source of information about a secrecy-obsessed and abuse-of-power prone government, this is a truly frightening development. Numerous other signs of danger litter the horizon as well. Bush’s latest plan to overhaul the tax code, with its repeal of deductions for both state income tax payments and employer sponsored health plans, is sure to decrease the number of insured in America and take a further bite out of middle class income. Meanwhile, the wealthy will no longer have to pay interest, dividend, or capital gains tax. It will be hard to have any sympathy for Red America when this hits them between the eyes. Another warning sign of trouble is the appointment of Condy Rice as Secretary of State and Alberto Gonzales for Attorney General. In one of his more transparent moves to date, Bush has declared in no uncertain terms that loyalty trumps competence, and only sycophants need apply. Our ongoing American quagmire in Iraq is another dark sign, as the role of Iraq increasingly resembles the part Afghanistan played in the downfall of the Soviet Union, bleeding the awesome strength of that superpower until it fell to its knees. But worst of all are the massive number of “irregularities” (otherwise known as fraud) in the recent election. There are demands for investigation in Congress, likely recounts in Ohio and New Hampshire, and stories of massive abuse coming out of Florida. But who will investigate? Gonzales, who owes his rise to Bush? Our Republican Congress, one of the chief beneficiaries of the skewed results? Unfortunately, our current government has begun to resemble the lurid tale told in Lord of the Flies where any pretense of law and order unravels, and the adolescent hunter-savages roam freely and without restraint. In order to have a glimpse at the next four years and how they may differ from the last four, it is useful to look at the Inaugural chart for January 2005, as well as some of the most significant aspects in the US chart and George Bush’s chart. To begin with, the contrast with the Inaugural chart of 2001 is quite striking, and this, at least, is to be welcomed. The 2001 Ascendant, opposed to Mars, square Uranus/Mercury, and quincunx Pluto, suggests a very aggressive regime that makes many fierce enemies (Mars on Descendant), breaks with tradition in a very reckless and unpredictable way (Uranus/Mercury square Mars), and is extremely controlling and secretive (Pluto). In the 2005 chart, by contrast, the Ascendant is in a very tight square to Neptune and a trine to Mercury/Venus. This suggests an administration that will be somewhat confused and befuddled, often pursuing policies with great expectation only to find disappointment and loss (Neptune). Obfuscation, dishonesty and deceit are also quite likely, but the trine to Mercury/Venus suggests that the administration may get away with a great deal. In addition, the Mercury/Venus in the 9th house indicates a far better relationship with foreign governments may be forthcoming. In fact, the general tone of the 2005 chart, without that nasty T square, is far less belligerent and aggressive than the 2001 chart was. Perhaps we can hope that there will be no invasion of Iran, Syria, or North Korea. A second significant difference between the two charts is the relative prominence of Pluto. In the 2001 chart we find Pluto conjunct the Moon, semisquare the Sun, and quincunx the Ascendant, lending a very paranoid, secretive, and manipulative character to the first George Bush administration. During this same four years, the US chart experienced Pluto crossing the Ascendant, during 9/11 and its aftermath, and Pluto opposing US Mars, during the increasing insurgency in Iraq (most of 2004). Thus, the battle with elusive and highly dangerous terrorists has been represented in both the US chart and the 2001 Inaugural chart with very strong Pluto aspects, which have also led to the generally fearful tone and subsequent government attempts at control and manipulation. In the 2005 chart, Pluto’s influence is far more muted. It is, however, conjunct Mars, so we can assume Bush will not turn into a Quaker. The inherent aggression of this aspect manifests through harmonious aspects (sextile Jupiter and sextile Neptune) that are unlikely to infuriate the planet. In addition, Pluto has an exact quincunx to Saturn, which would seem to enforce a continual adjustment to the limits of power and the worrisome consequences for its abuse. Saturn, the planet of restraint and responsibility, also plays a different role in the 2005 chart than it did in the 2001 chart. In the 2005 Inaugural chart, it opposes the Midheaven, Mercury, Venus, and the Sun, quincunxes Pluto, semisquares the Moon, and squares Jupiter and the Node. In addition, it is the ultimate dispositor of every planet in the chart if we include its co-rulership of Aquarius for both the Sun and Neptune. This suggests a generally more somber, more difficult and more burdensome term, with greater caution and restraint, and far more obstacles in achieving goals. In particular, the Sun in the 2005 chart is opposite Saturn and very widely trine the Moon. Symbolic of the president, the Sun’s position in the 2005 chart indicates that Bush will likely be able to pursue his goals only with caution and care. This parallels the transiting Saturn that will consecutively cross Bush’s Saturn, Ascendant, Mercury, Pluto, Venus, and Mars, and square his Node and Uranus during the next four years. It implies a realistic attitude and a need to defer to the facts on the ground. The Sun in the 2001 chart, by contrast, was conjunct Neptune, the planet of illusion, dishonesty, and self-deception, and very tightly trine a first house Jupiter, which gave Bush many easy successes and what often seemed a free pass out of trouble despite his more grandiose and fantasy-like perceptions. But if it was primarily Pluto that colored the last four years with its desperate sense of a battle against a vicious enemy and a struggle for survival, it will be Uranus, with its sudden, unexpected awakenings, rebellions, and lightning-like strokes, that will intermittently clamor for our attention in the next four. It seems quite likely that the destructive forces already set in motion in the first Bush administration, but kept relatively hidden from public view, may suddenly and powerfully explode onto the scene in the second. The plunging dollar, the ballooning deficit, the imbalance in trade, the increasingly unaccommodating allies, the growing fury of the Arab world, the expanding movement to trade oil in euros, the burgeoning insurgency in Iraq, all have within them the seeds for enormous complications that could be unleashed by a powerful Uranus transit. In 2005, Uranus will oppose Bush’s Mars, square US Uranus, and square Inaugural Moon, almost simultaneously. Historically, Uranus’ hard aspects to the US Uranus have brought revolutionary movements (the pre-Civil War secession of southern states), as well as policies and cultural shifts that have broken with tradition (Reagan’s Star Wars, the Martin Luther King holiday, LBJ’s War on Poverty, and the beginning of the Beatles phenomenon). The first phase of this coming transit will be in late March and early April 2005. It is possible there will be some kind of rebellion among the people of the US, possibly aided by a newly awakened press. The third house Saturn in the Inaugural chart suggests that there could be an increasingly tense relationship between the Bush administration and the press during this term, with the press being critical of and at the same time feeling repressed and stifled by those in power. The Uranus transit to US Uranus, ruler of the 3rd house which covers the media, could awaken a rebellious spirit in the press. The Uranus square to Uranus this coming spring might also signal the “revolutionary” choice of a majority anti-abortion Supreme Court or the battle over this issue. In any event, it is likely to bring something that breaks sharply with recent tradition. Bush, during this transit, will be quite aggressive, angry, and unwilling to bend with Uranus opposite his Mars, and his administration will be agitated and irritable with Uranus square Inaugural Moon. The transit repeats in late July and August 2005 and in January 2006, but its influence will be felt during the entire period from late March 2005 through January 2006. Beginning in the summer of 2006 through early February 2007, Uranus will be squaring the US Ascendant, continuing the movement toward uncharted territory and the sudden awakening of some kind that Uranus often brings. Much of the same period will see Bush with Saturn conjunct his Venus and Condi Rice with Saturn square her Venus/Sun/Midheaven conjunction, so the changes brought during 2006 and early 2007 may not be to their liking and may prove quite stressful to the administration. In fact, beginning in April 2007 through February 2008, Uranus will be opposite Inaugural Mars, clearly suggesting a great deal of anger, sudden upsets, and turmoil within the administration. The final year of this Bush term will then bring the last hit from Uranus in the form of a square to US Mars and a square to Bush’s Uranus/Node conjunction. Bush will be catapulted into some significant awakenings of his own in 2008, including the sudden possibility of war or angry confrontation with an open enemy (Uranus/US Mars). Thus, it seems that the turmoil generated during the next four years may have more to do with swift moving events from outside (Uranus transits) than from the dynamics of the administration, which may be more restrained than expected, except perhaps in late March, early April, and August 2005, and January 2006, when Uranus opposing Bush’s Mars suggests he could be aggressive, unpredictable, and somewhat reckless. But like all deeds, Bush’s will eventually have significant consequences for good or ill, and will form part of the ineluctable chain of events that will lead this nation ever forward, however painfully, toward its destiny.
Nancy Waterman on Nov 21 | Link
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Loved the perspective Nancy. One thing I have not looked at but wondered about was the impact of a two term president and how the 2nd Inaugural impacted the 1st Inaugural because it is a continumn. I was going to look at Bill Clinton's and Ronald Reagan to see how that played out if it played out at all. The Jupiter Mars sextile could be an administration run wild or financial opportunities for the country, but that Mars does conj. the Moon in the 2001 chart and that's why I was wondering. It's a great article and loved, as always, reading your work. Posted by: Sally on November 21, 2004 01:23 AMInteresting point, Sally. The Mars of part 2 conjunct the Moon of part one. I'm not sure what it means. Another interesting thing, and probably good for Bush, is that Inaugural Venus is opposite his natal Sun and In. Jupiter is conjunct his Jupiter. Posted by: Nancy on November 21, 2004 01:53 AMNancy, you have done a wonderful job enumerating this man's failures. I am at the point of thinking that no matter what difficulties he and his administration face from the outside (the Uranus factor), he will be unscathed. That has been and seems to continue to be his pattern. Thanks for your always insightful and though stirring articles. Posted by: Janet on November 21, 2004 02:18 AMDon't like the Jupiter return however an astrologer in London traced Queen Victoria's rise and some of her problems by her solar return Jupiter return chart. I've also done it with Saturn return charts. Posted by: Sally on November 21, 2004 02:21 AM
http://216.198.243.200/passage11/Strategy/Bushhoroscope.htm Posted by: wv on November 21, 2004 02:25 AMNice. Thanks, Nancy. I appreciate the links you made between the Bush administration and reality. There IS a reckoning, although not as swift as some of us would like. As always, when major events like this happen where I'm profoundly saddened or at a loss for explanations (why???), I once again turn to astrology for answers. Now as far as your assessment of the next 4 years, this is very similar to a Vedic study I just read from a link on the last thread (thank you! whoever posted it). From Janos Melocco: "Under his presidency the rich get richer and the poor get poorer (no surprise here) - large masses will sink down into poverty, and debts of unheard of quantity will be amassed. This is a primary reason for his downfall, which can be stalled for a year or two (a lot of double communications, accusations, leaks and denials will take place even until then), but starting from 2006, it is a good idea to collect gold and silver and property in remote lands. When Jupiter enters Scorpio in sidereal counting (late October, 2006), his enemies will have a field day, and in 2007-2008, when Saturn and Ketu pas Bush's natal Mars, economic and personal collapse cannot be forestalled any longer - for himself and the country he leads. At a certain point his handlers will abandon him and it will be open season on Bush." "The wars he will bring about can cause the very dissolution of the country." "Bush will probably live long enough to see everything he fought for (and lied about) crumble to dust." I'm seeing this sort of thing in many predictions nowadays. I'll try to pull together the best ones and post the links. Since the dollar is swirling in the toilet as we speak, I'm studying monetary policy to see what they're up to (or what they think they're up to -- 2 different things). It's pretty clear that we've done this before. Cut our own currency loose and let the rest of the world deal with the fallout. The most recent event would be Nixon taking us off the gold standard in 1973. Monetary policy is a very fascinating subject and we are most definitely the BAD GUY in all this. Will report back when I have some juicy news. Posted by: Cliss on November 21, 2004 02:25 AMw - I love that prediction you found. It actually makes a lot of sense. When Saturn spends a lot of time on Bush's Venus, roughly 9/06 to 6/07, and Uranus squares Inaugural Mars, roughly 4/07 to 2/08, I think he could have a bundle of trouble. The Uranus to Inaugural Mars does not have anything corresponding in the US chart to suggest war, so I think it is an attack on the adminsitration. I have always felt that 12th house Saturn and Sun of his indicate a basic weakness. He needs to see himself merged with God, totally merged, because he is too weak to stand on his own. Before religion it was alcohol. He doesn't have the ego strength within, that is why he talks about being strong and determined so much, because he is weak. Just like he loves to talk about freedom all the time when he can't bear for people to be free if it crosses him in any way. He is really very fragile within.. Posted by: Nancy on November 21, 2004 03:35 AMnancy, wonderfl article. i'm still part of the reality-based community and enjoy and admire your work. and, btw, bush lost, cheated, stole the election. not a prediction, a fact. wv, wow, what a link. very interesting. strange dude this guy, st. clair. i like the part about * decompensating. aw is such a great place! Posted by: mike on November 21, 2004 03:51 AMNancy........ This is a terrific column. I really appreciated it. Humanity has survived thousands of years of war and corruption and ignorance and all the other bad things. With any luck at all, we may also survive Bush. Posted by: Teg on November 21, 2004 03:51 AMgreat writing! I have two sons, 16 and 14, and I can't even begin to think about a draft. I just pretend to believe that Bush said he wouldn't and I will believe him. That is how bad it is. I can't even begin to imagine what I will do. Posted by: Nancy on November 21, 2004 04:53 AMFirst this came about. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/20/174914/86 All Hell breaking loose on Senate Floor right now! It appears that a staffer from a Senate office inserted a provision into the large Appropriations Bill apparently put an amendment into the bill that would have allowed The Chairman of the Appropriations Committees (and anyone they designate) obtain copies any IRS information, legal IRS information, income tax returns and use them at their own discretion. IT APPLIES TO ANY SINGLE IRS FILING OF ANY CITIZEN OF THIS NATION. It was caught by a fluke. Mere chance. McCain went nuts, wondering aloud what has gone wrong with the system that something like this might happen. Diane Feisntein is talking right now about how it was not even inserted by a staffer, but the possibly snuck into the bill to go after political opponents (press, DA's, and general opponents). She also talks about how it happened as a result of Democrats being left out of Conference. Finally, the BILL ALREADY PASSED THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES! What else is in that bill hurriedly rushed through the House, and ALMOST passed by the Senate into law. I will update this thread as the debate goes on. You can see it live on CSPAN 2 right now.
This bill passed .... but the IRS portion is supposedly not going to become law. The House has to address it. Apparently they have a deal with the House taking it out, and if the House doesn't pull it out, the Senate will keep it from going through. I guess we'll see. The abortion wording (right of medical refusal) was still there when the House passed it, I think, and the Senate passed what the House sent them. Here is the Roll Call vote for H.R. 4818 Hillary voted for it, along with Daschle and Reid. Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) tonight: "If one party is shameless, the other party cannot afford to be spineless." It needs to be tattooed on all their foreheads. http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=2&vote=00215 This was a poitively excellent article Nancy. Your writing is very clear and musical. What is so difficult for me to understand, as a reality based individual, is the depth of ruin that is allowed to occur before everyone turns on these maniacs. Are they all buying land in forign countries? Posted by: Pat C on November 21, 2004 04:54 AMAm i wrong, or did he say he was "reality based?" Posted by: Steven on November 21, 2004 05:07 AMThank you, Nancy, for another great article. It does give some perspective which I sometimes badly need because it's been hard to quell the sense of panic I have had to push down ever since Nov. 2. I want to intrude with a personal request if anyone has the time to take a look. My brother-in-law has been without a job for several months. They have already had one vehicle repossessed. Christmas looks pretty bleak. He's been under difficult aspects for a while. Can someone take a peak at his chart and let me know when he might experience an upswing? I'm much too close to be able to objectively say anything. I understand that this request is an imposition and will not be upset if there is no response. He was born 7-15-1957, 6:49 a.m., Des Moines, IA. Posted by: Teresa on November 21, 2004 05:07 AMSOn of a gun the ladies sold us down the river! Get over it already. or as you might prefer--- MOVEON(.org?). Posted by: Steven on November 21, 2004 05:15 AMPat, what happened? Posted by: Teresa on November 21, 2004 05:20 AMdon't you think they could have signed on BEFORE the piece was slipped in? is there no benefit of doubt here? can't we fight the good fight without turning on our own without more information???? Posted by: rubaiat on November 21, 2004 05:32 AM
Posted by: Teresa on November 21, 2004 05:20 AM Teresa, first a disclaimer: I am no astrologer. I checked out his chart by going to astro.com. I suggest you do the same and click on free horsocope. First off, it looks like he is a nice, kind guy with Sun Cancer/Moon Pisces. Plus he's very charming with Mars Conjunct Venus in the first house, wow! But, as Sally mentioned, saturn is right on his Sun. As a Cancer, I went through that last year and it just wiped out my ego. I'm still recovering from that. But, it did bring one very good thing into my life. It all depends on how he's handled the past 12 years of his life. This is definetely a turning point for him. After saturn passes he'll see what's left of his life and pick up the pieces. But, hey, he's got Jupiter in his Second House (Money) in his Natal chart. He's should be okay and survive this. Posted by: Mark on November 21, 2004 07:17 AMTeresa, I just noticed a couple good Transits to his chart. Transiting Jupiter will be sextiling his Venus and Mars from December through March. Sounds like a fortunate period to me. He should come across very positvely to potential employers during that time. BUT, I'm not an astrologer. ;-) Posted by: Mark on November 21, 2004 07:26 AMIt strikes me that the Asc. square Neptune that Nancy mentions may also be an indication of the evangelical cast of this administration. There is the sort of illusion that is perpetrated through lies and secrecy, and then there is the sort of illusion that is perpetrated through religious fervor. I see B* more as Jim Jones (after all he had a simple solution for every problem too!) than I see him as LBJ (my personal baseline for a president too burned out after a full term to be effective). We'll see though. I take no joy watching everything B* does crumble, as it inevitably seems to fall on the heads of innocent women and children when it does.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/printer_112104H.shtml Posted by: wv on November 21, 2004 01:00 PMCliss, I have been looking at some economic writings also, and am seeing that USA has been responsible for some really negative things... it appears to me we have one h#$@ of a poker game going on --- with war in Iraq and onward being the 'bluff' --- but then, what do I know? Have you read Stan Goff's "Persian Peril" articles I-IV? What do you think of his analysis? Also, I recall your comments about real estate in Switzerland being really reasonable... how can I get more info on that? Thanks Nancy, Thanks for your excellent article... top-notch as usual. As for your teenage boys... I have a 15 year old granddaughter and I am looking at ways to relocate her within the next year to protect her from the draft... have you heard about the teens applying for their drivers licenses having to register for the draft? You can google it up... 15 yr olds and up... Mike, Have you read any Stan Goff articles on economy and what's your take on that? Or anybody for that matter... I've never thought capitalism was great but if you say that, people think you're a 'commie' --- I've always thought of it as a pyramid scheme (esp. the stock market), but then I know very little about economics... time to take a crash course... [no pun intended] Posted by: Jo on November 21, 2004 02:33 PMExcellent article, Nancy. Let the revolution begin. I wonder if those who are asleep will finally wake up and start rebelling? If the press gets spooked by all the repression, then maybe they'll wake those sleepers. And WV, boy did I ever get into this St. Clair dude's site. I am reading excerpts, stopping and digesting, then going back and reading more. Patricia Posted by: Patricia on November 21, 2004 02:45 PMYou've done it again, Nancy: OUTSTANDING piece of work. Thank you. I have always loved Uranus transits because they are so wonderful at shaking things up,and obviously, we still have a great need for that. I always thought I was pretty strong, but like most of ya'll here, I don't know how I'm gonna handle my kids'(20/18) futures as the reaping begins. Perhaps we will go back to communal living, which would be a good thing, I think. As for the loss of our monetary system, maybe bartering will again be practiced; not a bad thing either. For most losses I can find the perspective needed to cope, but what I can't deal with is watching the suffering of others. Posted by: Peg on November 21, 2004 03:08 PM
Now remember Uranus went direct just after the election. On Feb 25, 2005 at 3:35 pm in DC, it reaches the point where it went retrograde. Now if you do this chart and the Sun midpoints points, along with Jupiter/Saturn midpoints and compare it to the inagural chart, you find some facinating things. On the inagural chart Jupiter/Uranus midpoint is at 26 Sag. I am not going to attempt to read it, leave that to you but take notice of the houses the mid points fall into. Posted by: Jean on November 21, 2004 04:26 PMTeg...happy birthday yesterday? (And Sally before that....) Thanks to your request for daily meditation, Teg, I have managed to get more "in touch" with the strength and power that I often forget exists within. To my disappointment, I didn't gain any special awareness about our collective future from these meditations. Just a little more personal calm and awareness of being and having "enough" [fill in the blank] for whatever I will encounter today. I DID feel a happy little jig inside when I got the email and video from Kerry. What it might mean remains to be seen - though I thought it significant that he sent it out directly to us. It didn't go to or through the corrupt media. Hmmmm...is it significant that he chose to emulate and use the communication network that has been most active around the whole voter fraud issue? (Olbermann also noticed this....) Happy birthday to all you Scorpios out there.......belated or early. Posted by: KM on November 21, 2004 04:29 PMPS Neptune reaches where it turn retrograde before turning direct just before the election on Feb 12, 2005. But I have not figured the time yet. If you want to add to this pull up the Uranus retrograde chart that is June 10,2004 at 15:48 Green wich. or 11:48 DC time. (which I am going to stop and do right now.) Posted by: Jean on November 21, 2004 04:35 PMJo: re: Stan Goff and our monetary crisis: yes, I've read his 4-part series about how we rule the world through monetary policy. I think I've read every article by him on the net. He's one of my favorite writers. He's also not a Democrat. He has stated very clearly that the Dem's are the mirror image of the Dominant Party which seeks to rule the world by any means. He's a socialist. I still value his knowledge and opinions. Goff, like so many others, sees us going over the abyss. Re: real estate. Yes, we're looking right now. We've found approx. 15 houses in southern Sweden, all in the $20 - $30K range. Really nice homes. Real estate in Europe is much more reasonable. We're also looking in France (higher), England (higher), Spain (dirt cheap), Portugal (same). I'll get you some links ASAP. Many of these web sites also have info for US Expats wanting to purchase property overseas. They seem to be very helpful. It can be done. I'm doing this mostly to protect my 3 teenage sons. It never occurred to me that it could also be a good investment. Will return with more. Posted by: Cliss on November 21, 2004 05:29 PMThank you Mark and Sally for your comments on my brother-in-law's chart and, Sally, I've e-mailed you. Mark, you're right. John is a very nice guy and that makes it even harder to watch him go through this. My sister could have done a lot worse in the husband department. I missed the Jupiter aspects. I know I missed something re Snow & Collins. What happened last night? Posted by: Teresa on November 21, 2004 05:32 PMOn the topic of fighting the good fight..."Brand Democrat..." at DU!!! Check it out.........it'll make you feel good. Really good!! Posted by: KM on November 21, 2004 05:46 PMForgot link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1378240 Posted by: KM on November 21, 2004 05:47 PMThank you all for all the great and informative posts everyone. I feel really fortunate to have found Astroworld. The State dinner Chile has been "downsized", and is now a "social" dinner because of security disputes between the US and Chile. Welcome to Bushworld. ............................. http://info.interactivist.net/article.pl?sid=04/11/19/1439205&mode=nested&tid=11 On another pretty horific bill seemingly to appear next week, friends, I was wondering if you'd help us a bit. I am working right now with a group on this: The Bush administration is going to try to pass a bill this coming week on using children as test ground for drugs. It has appparently started in Texas. Using children as test ground Legislation to test children for "mental health disorders" and then provide them commercial drugs — which would be highly controversial if people knew about it — could reach Congress during this month's lame duck session. Funding for a controversial Bush administration plan to submit the nation's school children to mental health testing and drug treatment may end up reaching the Senate floor this week, as GOP congressional leaders look to clear the legislative slate in order to set the table for George W. Bush's second term. The plan, called the New Freedom Initiative (NFI), is the keystone of a package of initiatives by the President's New Freedom Commission on Mental Health, a group of doctors and mental health care professionals established by the Bush Administration in 2002. Any letters to reps, anything you can do to post it in newsletters, e-mails, etc... multiple thanks !! ....................... Republicans an poopooing the idea that they actually tried to sneak in the IRS language to the Monetary Bill. I do believe they are trying to hang it on a staffer. Uh Huh. http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/ Could this be what he is after? .......................... Grand Canyon a Fraud! Details after Rapture... Okay, this has to be a joke, right? No such luck. Leon Jaroff, writing in Time: …some four million people annually visit Grand Canyon National Park, marveling at the awesome view. In National Park Service (NPS) affiliated bookstores, they can find literature informing them that the great chasm runs for 277 miles along the bed of the Colorado River. It descends more than a mile into the earth, and along one stretch, is some 18 miles wide, its walls displaying impressive layers of limestone, sandstone, shale, schist and granite. And, oh yes, it was formed about 4,500 years ago, a direct consequence of Noah’s Flood. How’s that? Yes, this is the ill-informed premise of “Grand Canyon, a Different View,” a handsomely-illustrated volume also on sale at the bookstores. It includes the writings of creationists and creation scientists and was compiled by Tom Vail, who with his wife operates Canyon Ministries, conducting creationist-view tours of the canyon. “For years,” Vail explains, “as a Colorado River guide, I told people how the Grand Canyon was formed over the evolutionary time span of millions of years. (Most geologists place the canyon’s age at some six million years). Then I met the Lord. Now I have a different view of the Canyon, which according to a biblical time scale, can’t possibly be more than a few thousand years old.” ...But when Grand Canyon National Park superintendent Joe Alston attempted to block the sale of Vail’s book at canyon bookstores, he was overruled by NPS headquarters, which announced that a high-level policy review of the matter would be launched and a decision made by February, 2004. So far, no official decision has been announced.
My bet is the official decision will be that God told them it’s okay to sell it in National Park Service bookstores. Me, I want to go on the creationist-view tour so I can see the exact spot where Noah heaved his cookies when he forgot to take his Dramamine. ..................................... UPDATE ON FCC CENSORSHIP: http://yglesias.typepad.com/matthew/2004/11/indecency_and_t.html http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1117/p09s02-coop.html ............................. FASCINATING ARTICLE ABOUT WALMART'S BIG BROTHERISH KNOWLEDGE BASE: http://tinyurl.com/5equr Posted by: Pat C on November 21, 2004 06:20 PMTeresa - Here is the short version on your brother in law: the very worst continues through mid may (Saturn on Sun); September through November will see some great expectations and disappointments, trouble figuring out what he should do, and confusion, misderection (Neptune opposite ascendant) significant money issues late August and FEbruary through May 06. (Saturn on Mercury, second house ruler) He will also feel his freedom curbed somewhat during this time. May be some sudden change of career decisions in late March and August September 05 (Uranus opposite Saturn, ruler of 6th). In short, this won't end anytime soon and could be a difficult period until at least late May 2006. Saturn often means having to do hard work that seems beneath you. but he is under a great deal of Neptune as well and could get some high hopes based on some illusions. He nees to be cautious and bite the bullet for the next year and half. Posted by: Nancy on November 21, 2004 06:54 PMAbove correction: September through November 2005 for Neptune; through mid May 2005 for Saturn on Sun Posted by: Nancy on November 21, 2004 06:57 PMNancy, thank you so much. That's so much clearer than anything I could have come up with. I think I try to "see" too much. Posted by: Teresa on November 21, 2004 07:02 PM
Here's a worthwhile read!! A Conservative Christian Republican says listen to whistleblower Sibel D. Edmonds By Karl W. B. Schwarz November 20, 2004—The following is an open letter to Eliot Spitzer, Attorney General for the State of New York and William Casey, Chief Investigator for the Attorney Generalﾒs Office. In fact, this was hand delivered to Mr. Spitzer's office before it was published as was a three-part expose I have written titled Pop Goes the Bush Mythology Bubble. That three-part article will break soon and is in the hand of investigators at this time. Read the whole article here: Cliss, could you please send me any info. you find concerning real estate in France? My daughter is planning on studying in Paris next fall, maybe we'll make a move before then. Thank you so much if you can help!! Posted by: Peg on November 21, 2004 09:10 PMHow the Grinch stole the elections (again) http://onlinejournal.com/evoting/112004Waldman/112004waldman.html Electronic Voting How the Grinch stole the White House . . . again By Alan Waldman Download a .pdf file for printing. November 20, 2004—Despite corporate media attempts to kill or ridicule away the story, Talk Radio and the Internet are abuzz with considerable evidence that John Kerry was elected president on November 2, but that Republican election officials made it difficult for millions of Democrats to vote while employees of four secretive, GOP-bankrolling corporations rigged electronic voting machines and then hacked central tabulating computers to steal the election for George W. Bush. Posted by: Siobhan on November 21, 2004 09:14 PMThank you so much Nancy. I was waiting for this. But, what about the Chiron factor? It is conjunct the inaugural Sun which Saturn opposes. I notice it makes it into Aquarius briefly this spring, then not again til Sept 2005. I for one am looking forward to Chiron changing signs. Knowing that the 50's red scare came to its height during Chiron's last transit in Capricorn (as in McCarthy), I will be very curious to see the effects once it is totally in Aquarius, and hopefully, grateful. Posted by: Shade on November 21, 2004 09:21 PMCliss, Thanks for your info --- I got the idea from his writings that Goff was not a Demo --- he seems to be of the school of thought that Demos and Repugs are two wings of the same party --- US elitists - who have managed to suppress grassroot efforts to build a party... I'm more interested in getting feedback on his economic theories... it sounds to me as though he's saying that the USA (the STATE, not the people) exist off the backs of people of poorer countries and now, with the debt we have incurred and the deficit trade balance, the rest of the world... Just wondering what you think of his economic theories... Nancy, (and Sally and others) Pluto will be entering USA 2nd house of resources ruled by Capricorn where nPluto is in a few years, after Uranus (1991-1997/8) and Neptune (1990-) have already passed through... what effect do you think these two outer planets had on our economic situation (they obviously do the 'advance' work for Pluto, right?) --- just trying to get a feel for what's coming ... Posted by: Jo on November 21, 2004 09:22 PMFor those of you (like me) considering a move abroad here's a great site - find a country and lots of info by Ex-Pats who are already living there! A wealth of information here: Posted by: Siobhan on November 21, 2004 09:22 PMMaking the move abroad: http://workabroad.monster.com/archives/moving/ November 21, 2004 They're fragile and frazzled, depressed and self-doubting. Trapped in their blue bell jar, drowning in unfulfilled dreams, Democrats are the "Desperate Housewives" of politics. The image of Republicans as the Daddy party and Democrats as the Mommy party came roaring back in 2004, with a chesty President Bush and Dick Cheney prevailing by making the case that they could protect America from vicious terrorists and uxorious gays better than the Brahmin they painted as a sissy. In politics, as on TV, political correctness is out and retro is in. Hillary's bid to be president suddenly appears more wobbly, and the class of new senators looks like a throwback - with half a dozen white male conservative Republicans front and center. At the Republican governors' conference in New Orleans, Ken Mehlman, the Bush campaign manager, answered the question, Who's your daddy party? "If you drive a Volvo and you do yoga, you are pretty much a Democrat," he said. "If you drive a Lincoln or a BMW and you own a gun, you're voting for George Bush." Of course, W. was swaddled by three strong women - Laura Bush, Karen Hughes and Condi Rice - who cleaned up after his political messes. Yet Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney boldly projected the image of confident - if overbearing - husbands who would guard the family home from intruders, while casting John Kerry as the feminized guy who couldn't get his sports references straight, the sort who would sashay about in Yves St. Laurent pajamas, dithering, whither-ing, and fetching bottled water for Teresa while the burglar alarm rang. Democrats were furious to learn last week that Mr. Kerry had squirreled away $15 million in primary donations that he could have spent turning out the vote in Florida and Ohio. Once more trying to have it both ways, Mr. Kerry wanted a nest egg in case of a recount or legal challenges - not exactly the killer mentality that Democrats need. Having gutted their opponents, Republicans are pretending to patch up divisions as they ruthlessly consolidate their gains. Democrats are turning the other cheek. At the opening of his presidential library, Bill Clinton assured the audience that Mr. Bush and Mr. Kerry were "good people" who "just see the world differently." The Republican Visigoths are crushing checks and balances and driving Democrats (and moderate Republicans) into subservient, obedient roles, sticking antiabortion provisions into major spending bills. Even the suggestion that Congress has an advise-and-consent role on judges caused the Visigoths to slap Arlen Specter into stocks, until he whimpered he would do their bidding. The party of moral values deemed that crime pays, shielding Tom DeLay with a rule that someone facing a felony charge can still be a leader. The ultracreepy Mr. DeLay de-pantsed Democrats on Friday, sneering: "I understand the Democrat Party's adjustment to their national minority status is frustrating, but their crushing defeat ... should show them that the American people are tired of the politics of personal destruction." Well, yeah. Watching Bush supporters shred a war hero into a war criminal was tiring. This most secretive administration wants to stop the public from getting any facts that might challenge its story line. The Department of Homeland Security is making employees and contractors sign pledges barring them from telling the public about sensitive but unclassified information. Porter Goss has warned C.I.A. employees that they should support the administration and "scrupulously honor our secrecy oath" by letting only the agency's public affairs office and Congressional relations branch talk to the media and Congress. Senate Republicans have voted to allow Bill Frist, the majority leader, to fill vacancies on powerful committees, rather than abiding by the seniority system - a sword over moderates and mavericks. The White House says it wants greater harmony, but it's acting like the thought police. Having run into resistance in their bid for global domination, the president and vice president are going for federal domination, pushing out anyone with independent judgment who puts democracy above ideology. It's a paradoxical game plan: imposing democracy abroad while impeding it here. Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company | Home | Privacy Policy | Search | Corrections | RSS | Help | Back to Top Posted by: wv on November 21, 2004 10:17 PM
this is a list of competitive stores who support the Democrats. Costco is top of the list, if you have a Trader Joe's in your area they are non-political and give to no one, Safeway stores give a ton to Repugs. Albertson's gives more equally. http://www.buyblue.org/Default.aspx?tabid=105&ctl=ViewEntry&EntryID=2&mid=478 Posted by: Sally on November 21, 2004 10:29 PMShade - I don't dismiss Chiron, but I don't really "get it" enough to predict on it. It will be conjunct the Inaugural Sun (president) in March and April 2005, concurrent with the Uranus transit. I don't really know how to interpret that but would be grateful for any ideas here. The only personal experience I have had with Chiron that wa clear to me was my Chiron return in December 2000 in my 12th house. All of my intense pain had to do with what was happening in the collective (12th house). It wasn't a personal event. Posted by: Nancy on November 21, 2004 10:35 PMHummm, how about Walmart??? Avoiding stores that support the Republican party? Consider this -They used to have a policy of staying out of politics and now give millions of dollars to the Republican party, especially in California where they gave millions of dollars to the Arnold campaign alone. They also sell food at their Super Walmart stores. They seem to be the worst offenders of any store and I'd put them at the top of my list! Posted by: Siobhan on November 21, 2004 11:00 PMWalmart may be the worst offender. They're so bad they deserve to be picketed. Here are some links on Chiron. http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/chiron21.5.html http://koti.mbnet.fi/neptunia/astrology/chiron1.htm Chiron in Capricorn http://www.ericfrancis.com/articles/chiron_cap.html Posted by: Pat C on November 22, 2004 12:53 AMPeg, Jo: I will have some good real estate links by tomorrow. Will post them here. I've already found some nice sites on French real estate. The thing that impressed me was that the European real estate market is not jacked up like it is here. In the Portland area, the average home sold for $225,000 last month. We have some fabulous bulldozer projects for around $175,000 if you can find it. In other words: gold-plated garbage. Why would I waste my money on something like that? We were so surprised that we could actually find something south of Paris for around E70,000 (don't know the code for Euros). Jo: I'm not sure what to think of Stan Goff. On the one hand, I have to respect his opinions because he's been an army insider for many years. He saw the corruption, the waste, the utter incompetency. I know he feels that Socialism is the answer. However, as most of the readers here probably know, I grew up in Sweden and emigrated to the US after high school. I grew up in a Socialist country and I really don't think that's the answer. Sweden is a unique example and has been successful for many reasons. It simply wouldn't work in the US. So I'm not how I feel about his solutions. I sure agree with his problems. Posted by: Cliss on November 22, 2004 02:04 AMJust a quick comment and a few quotes. I thought these words of Robert Kennedy, are inspiring. And oddly enough here we are deja-vu. Another foreign war, where America is the aggressor. Another society divided by Rich and Poor, the denial of Equal Rights to Gay-Americans. It seems as if every generation or so, is destined to re-live the past's problems. Only when a majority say 'Enough is enough!' will it end. Anyway maybe there is some wisdom in the past that will help our present state. As we must survive this and build a better nation and world, despite everything. And the worst part is the 'survival of the fittest' attitude that has taken hold of psychic of the people, which has lead to an apathy toward injustice. More military transgressions happen from prisoner abuses, to cilvilian deaths, and yet the nation has become desensitized. It's coming to the point where we could even loose our humanity to feel, if we allow it....... A revolution is coming--a revolution which will be peaceful if we are wise enough; compassionate if we care enough; successful if we are fourtunate enough-- But a revolution which is coming whether we will it or not. We can affect its character; we cannot alter its inevitability. Robert F. Kennedy, US Senate, 5-9-1966 "People are selfish, but they can also be compassionate and generous, and they care about the country. But not when they feel threatened. That's why this is such a crucial time. We can go in either direction. But if we don't make a choice soon, it will be too late to turn things around. I think people are willing to make the right choice. But they need leadership. They're hungry for leadership." RFK Another great task is to confront the poverty of satisfaction--a lack of purpose and dignity--that afflicts us all. Too much and too long, we seem to have surrendered community excellence and community values in the mere accumulation of material things. RFK, Univ of Kansas, 3-18-68 Our gross national product does not allow for the health of our children, the quality of their education, or the joy of their play. It does not include the beauty of our poetry or the strenght of our marriages, the intelligence of our public debate or the integrity of our public officials. It measures neither our wit nor our courage, neither our wisdom nor our learning, neither our compassion nor our devotion to our country; it measures everything, in short, except that which makes life worth while. And it can tell us everything about America except why we are proud that we are Americans. RFK, University of Kansas Posted by: jamsmitty on November 22, 2004 02:13 AMThanks Pat, rofl, thinking of GWB and a lead pipe, as symbolized in the 2005 inaugural chart. Chiron and Saturn: Saturn organizes and controls. The person with a Chiron/Saturn aspect will tend to be compulsively controlling and over organized. The reason could a fear of letting go, or perhaps they are still trying to please an over restrictive parent. The other side of the coin would be someone who is highly disorganized and sloppy, or seems too fearful or depressed to make a move. A high colonic would be helpful here to remove that lead pipe (Saturn) from their rear end. Cliss, One thing to remember is that predictions are that I have also been searching Northern France, Bruxelles, (gave up on Spain- the Catholic Church is trying to do a family-moral values Falwell imitation emboldened by you-know-who,, have friends in Greece but that's too close to the action) Panama is very friendly and desirous of emigrants and gives favorable status making it easy to obtain dual citizenship and they seem to be building gated communities at the base of their live volcano which I consider a drawback :) but since Rumsfeld just made a visit to Panama to work on joint "security" ..... I think considering what the price of heating oil will be, which is a consideration in going to any northerly country, a fairly warm or mild climate would seem important. Just wanted to fill you all in on the homework I've been doing...will be happy to hear of your research. BTW - I think a Euro is now worth $1.26 but it seems to be going up every day...last year wasn't it 80 cents to our dollar? Posted by: Pallas18 on November 22, 2004 03:09 AMBTW, did everyone here know that you can claim dual citizenship in many countries if you can Also what about Luxemburg, Hungary, Austria and some of those little countries? Anything on them? Posted by: Pallas18 on November 22, 2004 03:13 AMgood grief, i finally meet some people i really like online and they want to leave the country! relax, breath deeply, imagine yourself watching the tv news seeing members of the * administration doing the 'perp-walk' all over the country... if you leave, they win and the 'they is only about 1/8th of the country. that's right - -just over 50% of voters turned out what will they do next time. events drive elections. we DO need to have real voting. if we get that, then we win some in 2006 and a lot more in 2008. demographics are on our side; honest elections are on our side; pallas18, jo, pat and patc are on our side. don't pack too early. however, if you get somewhere that's really cool, let us know. Here's another site with some info on moving/retirement outside of the U.S.A. Some things to consider: Some foreign countries will not allow people born outside their country to purchase or own property. Then there is the question about medical insurance ,etc etc. Lots to consider: http://money.cnn.com/2004/11/02/retirement/armchair_abroad/ Posted by: Siobhan on November 22, 2004 05:07 AMLast one: http://money.cnn.com/2004/11/02/retirement/armchair_abroad/ Posted by: Siobhan on November 22, 2004 05:14 AMoops! Hit the wrong site! Must have been too excited about that house - it's still mine. Here's the right URL: http://www.escapeartist.com/expatriate/resources.htm Posted by: Siobhan on November 22, 2004 05:15 AMFrom Coast to Coast
Paglini foresees a particular tough winter coming with bitterly cold weather, record snowfalls, "unbelievable blizzards, whiteouts, and high winds," which will trigger massive power outages. There will be huge problem with heating/fuel shortages, she predicted, and states such as Texas, California, Florida, and Louisiana will be hit with heavy flooding and winds. In the Spring of 2005, Paglini said the economy will take a nosedive. There will be thousands of layoffs, high unemployment, record bankruptcies, and businesses will close. She forecasts a rise in the interest rate, inflation, and a major recession with the stock market eventually falling to the 7,500- 8,000 level. She also sees an escalation of the situation in the Middle East, with the conflict spreading to Iran and Saudi Arabia. A particular event will precipitate a massive build-up of American troops there, she added. She also discussed such topics as the influence of the moon, curses, auras and the practice of magic. Related Articles Ohmy... now THERE'S a Missy Ursala-Upbeat! ;O) Posted by: JoannaOregon on November 22, 2004 03:36 PMI'm pretty sure that there're wonderful things by wonderful people going on everywhere. Perhaps some of their doings could be noted once in a while. I'll go look. ;O) Posted by: JoannaOregon on November 22, 2004 03:38 PMIf anyone is interested in a pro-active stand here is one way to get involved from Jerome. Here's an attached blogad if you want to help out with the netroots/grassroots effort to begin reforming the Democratic Party by getting Dean in as DNC Chair.
Thanks Sally! http://hnn.us/articles/8657.html Column: Just Wait ... The Republicans Will Do Themselves in Democrats are somewhat needlessly wringing their hands over election results. The sky isn't just falling -- it has done fallen. Genetically right-wing moral majoritarians are roaming wild in packs, congressional conservatives have a permanent lock on power and any executive-branch modification of the president's personal Weltanshauung is now, officially, verboten. Things couldn't get any worse, could they? Sure they could. And they will -- but ultimately in a rewarding direction. They will because of the very circumstances stated above. They will because the power-happy powers-that-be characteristically will push too far and in reasonably short order push themselves into deep electoral trouble. For sure, the Democratic Party needs to distill its message-scattered policy wonkishness into one coherent theme, something along the lines of "A Return to Human Decency and Global Respect." Its public representatives and candidates should learn to speak the plain and direct language of simplicity: of that there is no doubt or lack of need. But if in catering to the redefined middle the party attempts to correct course by backsliding on its progressive values it will only alienate its substantial base and open itself to apt, oppositional ridicule of me-tooism. Despite what Ralph Nader says, Democrats aren't Republicans. Hence beyond adopting more sophisticated -- and, let us be adults, on occasion that means more demagogic -- means of image-polishing, they shouldn't try to think like them. More... Posted by: Pat C on November 22, 2004 05:45 PMPallas, thanks for the info. I am not surprised about what's in store for Europe. I tend to believe that, too. These past few years, I've been feeling increasingly agitated and worried about the path the US has been taking. We just keep going down the wrong road. Lately, I've been feeling like a thief. This admnistration is into stealing, and we're all sharing the booty. It's gotten to the point where I don't want to put on my clothes in the morning. There is a tag which says 'made in Korea'. I feel dirty. It's probably what Sally has referred to 'the great awakening'. I'm not sure if there is any refuge anywhere. Maybe it is better to just stay put. More than anything, I wanted to protect my 3 teenagers, and that's why I decided to move back to Sweden. But honestly, my heart really is here in the US, with the people at AW and the DU. I took the boys back to Sweden this summer to get used to the idea of a possible relocation. While visiting with the Swedes, I tried to share with them my concerns about the direction the world is heading. They didn't seem to understand any of what I was talking about. They just smiled and poured me another cup of coffee. While in Stockholm, I did check in with AstroWorld. It felt really good. Once we came back to the US, I noticed the Fight Was On; I jumped into the fray and got my bristle up again and was mobilized by listening to Air America Radio and those Rabble Rousers. I realized that I really DID have much more in common with my American friends -- the enlightened ones, that is. My heart tells me that the change is going to come from the US, not Europe. Right here, in the trenches is where the battle is being fought. However, I see nothing wrong with buying property in Europe or elsewhere, especially if you can get it cheap. Posted by: Cliss on November 22, 2004 05:46 PM TO ALL AND TO WV Regarding WV'S POST: DIRE PREDICTIONS: Dr. Evelyn Paglini 1. I've often wondered when psychics get visions and make predictions whether they are in possibility or probability. 2.And, do people who believe these predictions when they read or hear them, help to energize them and move them from the possibility of them happening to the probability of them happening? 3. What things can we affect? Can we affect things beyond our personal stuff? Does it depend how far into the cycle something is as to whether it can be changed? CAN we change something if we "catch the cycle"? Can anyone shed any light on this? Posted by: Jaycee on November 22, 2004 05:52 PMhttp://douglassarchives.org/brya_a26.htm William Jennings Bryan's Cross of GOld speech: I am in favor of an income tax. When I find a man who is not willing to bear his share of the burdens of the government which protects him, I find a man who is unworthy to enjoy the blessings of a government like ours. There are two ideas of government. There are those who believe that, if you will only legislate to make the well-to-do prosperous, their prosperity will leak through on those below. The Democratic idea, however, has been that if you legislate to make the masses prosperous, their prosperity will find its way up through every class which rests upon them. Found this over at dailykos. It's really awesome! Posted by: abilene on November 22, 2004 07:25 PMAnother great quote: "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." Sally thanks for the Drafthoward! yes! Posted by: Morgana on November 22, 2004 07:54 PMToday is November 22, 41 years after that horrific day in Dallas. I still remember where I was even though I was a small child. I was in my first grade classroom in St. Joseph, MO and the principal announced it over the intercom. My teacher cried. I realize that a lot of folks that post here were not born yet when President Kennedy died, but a lot of us were. I'd be interested in hearing recollections if anyone cares to share. Posted by: Teresa on November 22, 2004 08:24 PMTeresa, I was in junior high, 7th grade, they had the announcement over the loud speaker. We all sat in awe and many of us started to sob. Shortly thereafter they hit the fire alarm to get us all outside and walk. I now think back to how my school handled it and think they did an excellent job. The teachers all stayed behind to talk to anyone who needed to understand what had happened. Went home and my Mom was crying and we had dinner and no one said a word, out of 7 of us. Too grieved to talk. Well, that's that. 41 years ago!!! My gawd!! Posted by: Laurie on November 22, 2004 08:30 PMI was sitting in my classroom when one of the Nuns came in and whispered to my teacher. When our teacher announced the horrible event, everyone cried. I can still remember the visual, timing, and the feeling as if permanently were etched in my conciousness. Well, evidently it is. Posted by: Pat C on November 22, 2004 08:36 PMSiobhan, I hope your dream house is not in Costa Rica, or on any islands in the Lesser Antilles. On Saturday, the former country experienced a massive earthquake measuring 6.2 on the Richter Scale, and on Sunday, the islands of Dominica, Guadeloupe, Antigua, and Barbuda were hit with a 6.0 quake. Many of the Caribbean Islands which are known for their beautiful weather, and beaches have also been experiencing heavy rains causing severe flooding and landslides. So, even in Paradise all is not well. Posted by: Crystal on November 22, 2004 08:41 PMJaycee, I do think that focusing on possible neagives gives them strength. I have often thouth that when a rash of disaster prediction shows came out on cable. It seemed dark to me. I've also wondered about all the news reporting of one B* disaster after the other. The confusion for me is that information is so important for group awareness, and people are not being informed by the media. I'm still working on resolving it. Posted by: Pat C on November 22, 2004 08:41 PMSally, thanks for the heads-up on buying blue. I'll be paying more attention to where I shop in the future, and I'll definitely boycott Walmart. Posted by: Crystal on November 22, 2004 08:56 PMCrystal - thanks for the warning on the dream house! Actually, have been looking into Mexico - just a small apartment there to keep in case there is a draft here. We have two girls draft ages and they are already worried about what is to come so just like to keep my options open at this point. Thanks for the info - we live not too far from the Gulf Shores in Alabama which got hit pretty badly in the last hurricane season so understand the problems associated with any property near water! Quake or no quake it's still very expensive to insure waterfront properties these days! Posted by: Siobhan on November 22, 2004 09:03 PMhttp://www.theneighborhoodnetwork.org/Video/Vote/Vote.html Excellent diary on Kos: "Now What, We Kill the Media" I was sitting in my 6th grade spanish class (Newport Beach, California). Mrs. Butler received a message from the office, with tears streaming down her face she said the President has been killed. School was canceled. I was crying as I left school and my tears were for Caroline and John. How bereft they must feel. Four years later I understood. Posted by: Morgana on November 22, 2004 09:35 PMI was 8 years old in 4th grade and at Speech class(no longer lisp). It was cut short and we were sent back to our classrooms. What was worse was that I had the knowing of Oswald's murder beforehand then watched it live on TV. It shut me down for a while as I was highly tuned in when young. In my teens and twenties got into the psychic arts again. Posted by: bhakti on November 22, 2004 09:35 PMAnyone note the news item about the $2 million appropriation (tacked onto the omnibus spending bill signed Saturday) for dimson to "repurchase" the Sequoia, the presedential yacht that Carter sold in the 80s? It seems Carter sold the yacht to a "private investment group" (Carlisle maybe?). Now the taxpayers have the privilege of repurchasing it for $2 mil. Sweet. Posted by: Susan on November 22, 2004 09:41 PMwoops! was 9 years old and in 5th grade. My senior moments are merging into a continuum. Will be 50 next month ;-) Posted by: bhakti on November 22, 2004 09:44 PMSome of the Clinton fans here may know this, but I didn't until today, that the big dawg has his own blog where he writes every day. I read today's diary and then I went back and read a few others. Not to miss!!! And we all can send messages back to him! http://billclintondailydiary.blogspot.com/ Posted by: Laurie on November 22, 2004 10:12 PMOh my, Oh my, is Bill Clinton ever hurting. He needs some positive reasurances from us. His letter from today and yesterday made me want to cry. Don't let them get to you BC they are beneath comtempt. Wow, maybe GB41 did sic GB43 on Clinton and everything good he had done for America because it was the opposite of what Reagan and GB41 had been doing [and was bad for the country]. Posted by: Jill G on November 22, 2004 10:49 PMabilene, thank you so much for those wonderful William Jennings Bryan!! They are wonderful, and so appropriate. Laurie, thank you for the Clinton link! I didn't even know it was out there. Posted by: Pat C on November 22, 2004 11:31 PMStill healing from oral surgery, and maybe I've 'flipped out' from the meds, so take my comments with a grain of salt and consider them the musings of an old woman too long in the woods... So many veils have been dropping for me (for all of us, right?), and I thought most have dropped, but surprise! Looking up some astrological info yesterday and I stumbled onto the following... a new discipline (for me anyway) is arising, history of history, and revision of present chronology... I got a hint of this when I took some Womens Studies courses in the 90s and learned that some of the 'ancient' Greek and so forth is very controversial, has been for more than 300 years, but hey, we're slow to come around, right? And one of the tools they're using to correctly date (which is one of the problems, fabrication, being the other) structures and events is 'horoscopes' -- yeah, you heard right... anyway, it may or may not be your cup of tea, I'm finding it fascinating --- particularly the use of mathematics to predict a transition in human genomes! which they think is coming up --- so, here's an excerpt to entice you to visit the website and perhaps explore the topic --- ----------- Now, if you look at Fig. 1 again, you can see that nowadays our civilization is close to its end because RI approximates to zero. The Internet is one of signs of a new-coming post-genome era. As soon as the mankind is able to change its genetics, it will unequivocally transmute into some other population and then this new population will start a new civilization of its own. A post-human being will differ from us as well as we differ from homo habilis. So we find ourselves in the vicinity of a phase transition, that is demonstrated in Fig. 2. In Fig. 2 Curve 1 reflects current crucial changes both in human population and energy consumption, dealt with the technological revolution having been lasting since ca. 1500 A.D. Curve 2 corresponds to simple human reproduction (which does not differ from animal one) and natural fuel consumption (wood, straw, manure etc.) that had been until 1500 A.D. If there had not been any technological revolution, now the world population would amount to about 800 millions only. If nothing is done to stabilize population, Curve 4 should take place. But hardly it seems real, because the mankind has not yet found a new more powerful and simultaneously much less harmful source of energy than nuclear fission. So sooner or later Curve 4 would convert to Curve 3: this one stems from a scenario for the Caribbean nuclear war of 1962, which fortunately did not happen. If it did, the world population would drastically fall down to animal-like Curve 2. (Note, that the same curve is consistent with “Golden billion” calculations and speculations.) If the UNESCO forecast comes to being (Curve 5), the world post-human population will stabilize at the level of 11-12 billions in the XXI century. Thus, the mankind is trying to change the type of its own phase transition from first to second order - in order to escape an apocalypse. Why did the phase transition of our civilization begin approximately about 1500 A. D.? It proceeded mainly from the two simultaneous civilizing events: fire-arms and printing. The first CE caused massacre of lower-civilized people and animals. Expansion of the new power lead to mass felling and destruction of flora. It started irreversable anthropogenic pressing on the environment. The second CE started politology: the technology of mass media pressing on mind. That is the point where the false conventional chronology and history comes from. http://www.revisedhistory.org/civilevents.htm The Clinton blog is a hoax. There was an article in the New York Times about it. Google "is Clinton blog a hoax?" and you'll find the article. Posted by: on November 23, 2004 02:36 AMSally Just spoke to a friend in Iowa who was at a meeting with the Governor tonight. He told the Jaycee I see things out there and post them...not necessicarly because I believe in them, but because it is out there. Her predictions seem
Jaycee......... Forgive the caps...used to set answers off from questions. 1. I've often wondered when psychics get visions and make predictions whether they are in possibility or probability. PROBABILITY -- WHICH EITHER INCREASES OR DECREASES IN RELATION TO CHOICES MADE IN RESPONSE TO CIRCUMSTANCES. What determines whether they are in one or the other? -- IT'S PROBABILITY. ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE, but ONLY LIKELY (PROBABLE) THINGS OCCUR, and THEY BECOME MORE OR LESS PROBABLE BASED ON THE STRUCTURE OF EVENTS AS THEY UNFOLD AND THE ENERGIES SURROUNDING THEM. 2.And, do people who believe these predictions when they read or hear them, help to energize them and move them from the possibility of them happening to the probability of them happening? WHEN PEOPLE BELIEVE THEY DO INVEST ENERGY, WHICH ASSISTS IN ACTUALIZING THE EVENTS. ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY AND WITHOUT A DOUBT. 3. What things can we affect? I THINK WE CAN AFFECT EVERYTHING (BUT WHEN THERE ARE CONFLICTING INTENTIONS THEN IT'S MORE DIFFICULT) -- BUT THERE'S POWER IN NUMBERS, SO IT'S BETTER WHEN WE WORK TOGETHER. I HAVE A FRIEND WHO CAN BRING UP A RAINSTORM ON DEMAND...BUT IT'S EASIER WHEN THERE'S A NEARBY PRESSURE SYSTEM, AND EASIER WHEN THERE ARE SEVERAL OF US WORKING ON IT. Can we affect things beyond our personal stuff? DEPENDS ON HOW MANY OTHERS ARE ALSO INVESTED IN THE OUTCOMES. TOO MANY DIFFERENT INTENTIONS NATURALLY DILUTE THE EFFORTS OF ONE OR TWO. BUT JUST LIKE THE STORM EXAMPLE...WE CAN. TAKES A LITTLE PRACTICE. Does it depend how far into the cycle something is as to whether it can be changed? IN THEORY, NO --- BUT IN PRACTICE IT DOES DEPEND ON WHETHER WE HAVE THE "RIGHT" ENERGETIC INTENTION, SUFFICIENT POWER, AND WHETHER WE HAVE ENOUGH DISCIPLINE TO MAINTAIN OUR FOCUS. CAN we change something if we "catch the cycle"? WHEN WE CAN LEVERAGE THE POWER OF OTHER ENERGETIC EVENTS I BELIEVE WE HAVE MORE SUCCESS. USE ASTROLOGICAL INFORMATION, FOR EXAMPLE, TO FIND WHAT THE ENERGIES OF THE PLANETS HAVE PUT IN PLAY AND THEN AIM ONE'S EFFORTS TOWARD MAXIMIZING THOSE ENERGIES, AS LONG AS THEY HARMONIZE WITH OUR INTENT. Can anyone shed any light on this? I hope this shed a little light on your questions. Someone more astute in manifestation and more eloquent in explanation might do a better job. I think there are some here who are much more versed in these matters than I am, perhaps they will share their thoughts. *That doesn't mean I believe everything I read, however, or every prediction. Other AW'ers, forgive me for this foray into the realms of predictions, energy and intention. I don't want to make the wrong impression on visitors here...I know most of you deal with the very concrete mathematical science of astrology and this stuff is a little less acceptable to many. But I did want to address Jaycee's questions. Respectfully, KM Posted by: KM on November 23, 2004 05:32 AMIt’s not surprising to find so much interest at Astroworld concerning the possibility of moving abroad, considering the high degree of political savvy and intuitiveness and the understanding of world history displayed here. And with the Bush second power grab and his continued war talk, tactics and policies that are inexplicably parallel to the rise of Hitler in Germany it’s not hard to at least consider a move to somewhere else---But where? History tells us that in Germany just like presently in the US, an overwhelming majority of Germans did not seem to mind that their personal freedoms had been taken away, (sounds familiar). The Nazi terror (Now Bushwar +Iraq/Middle East) in the early years affected the lives of relatively few Germans and many visitors to Germany during this time period was somewhat surprised to see that the good, patriotic people of Germany did not seem to feel that they were being cowed but on the contrary, a startling majority actually supported their governments actions with genuine enthusiasm. Somehow, Hitler’s actions (and like Bush) instilled them with fear of outside forces and his rule gave them a feeling of safety and superiority, confidence and faith in the future of their country and their leaders. (“Just heard on the radio that 4 out of 5 Americans surveyed felt optimistic about the next four years under Bush leadership-frightening to say the least) It was only a small minority of German Jews that understood the looming threat and were wise enough to get out. That also went for a small group of alarmed Germans worried about Hitler’s radical and alarming aggression and limiting of civil rights and they too had the foresight to pack up and leave before it was impossible to do so. But alas as we all know most Germans remained “Good” Germans and refused to wake up even though alarms were going off at every turn-- loud enough to wake the dead! So with the same kind of alarms going off right here in the good old sleeping USA as they did years ago in slumbering Germany--- no wonder many are thinking of fleeing---myself being one. I have lived in several foreign countries over the years (before children and for no longer than two years) So for any of you that are thinking of a possible move (and have never lived outside the US) I would like to share with you just a “few” put important things I believe from my own experience should definitely be considered before taking the big and serious step of living elsewhere. Before you make any decision about living in a particular area make sure you understand the social environment where you will be living. Are you prepared to be in a minority and to be treated as a foreigner? Do you make new friends easily? Are you open to different ways of doing things? Can you handle a much slower pace of life? And what are your medical needs? All these are questions you need to think about before deciding to live abroad. Remember, you are not on a vacation you are living there and what you need while on a vacation and what you need to live somewhere are often very different. I’d say make a checklist of the facilities that are most important to you – shops, schools, transport links, healthcare etc. and double check that your chosen destination measures up or you will end up being a very unhappy camper. I’d recommend that you visit the area you have picked to possibly relocate at various times over the course of at least a year to get a real idea of life there on a 24/7 basis and to see if you are prepared to live there year-round. I also think it is wise to try renting for at least six months to discover whether you truly want to commit to somewhere new and remember “foreign”. Also, speaking and understanding the language can have a big impact upon how easily you settle into somewhere new. Being unable to make yourself understood will be very isolating and maybe even damaging financially if you're planning to work locally. Attempt to learn “some” basic language skills before you attempt to relocate. One of the biggest things a lot of people experience when living abroad for the first time is the cultural isolation usually experienced at first and for me this is why I think a large expiate community of Americans, Canadians and Brits is a very good idea and a good social safety net. This is just a very short but in my opinion a very important preliminary list of ideas to consider and to do first to make sure moving out of the US is what is best for you and anyone going with you. . . And believe me there is a very long list of many things to consider for a (not a vacation) but a successful,happy move. Hope some of my suggestions can prove helpful Posted by: Starrynights/SN on November 23, 2004 05:43 AMI was wondering too if maybe the Clinton blog is a hoax. If it is, I'm very sorry to have brought it to your attention. I'm going to keep my eye on it. I guess I wanted it to be true. We shall see, over the next few weeks. Posted by: Laurie on November 23, 2004 06:03 AMWV, let me take a moment to thank you for all the interesting and elightening links! You are officially nominated to the AstroWorld researcher! and link connector deluxe! I'm an information junkie, and you are indulging me!!! Thankx! Posted by: Cliss on November 23, 2004 06:13 AMSN/Starrynights Thanks for sharing those tips! They are right on the button...and thanks too, to all who have been sharing the results of their research into various "destinations". Mexico keeps coming up strong in my analyses...though my daughter's boyfriend came back recently and shared results of some "reconnaisance" --- ugly choking smog, big cockroaches. Ugh. But I speak some espanol. And being from California the Mexican culture seems very familiar. And gratefully I have a personality that grooves on the differences between cultures. So it could be a great adventure. But I don't want to give up here too soon either. Especially because of my kids. (I have 5 plus a grandson). So I'll keep the strategies in SN's post in mind as I continue to weigh the choices. Blessings, KM Posted by: KM on November 23, 2004 06:15 AMWV I did hear that Vilosak (sp?) from Iowa isn't going to take the DNC post, another name promoted was Donna Brazile and she is backing Dean. I said over a year ago that around the election Dean had the best aspects, but the problem would be getting him from where he was to the election. Well, this may be his time, it's not the Presidency but it is power. I don't know what to say about the psychic but I do know the human race resonates more strongly to bad news than good news, and a lot of psychics and astrologers focus on the bad news. There isn't a day, week, month or year that does not contain an equal amount of positive and negative news but we seem to remember the negative with greater clarity. Look at our individual lives if we had known what some of our experiences would be chances are we would have stayed in bed until we died. Life is so full of bitter disappointments and tragedies, and it's also full of beautiful sweet moments. The next 4 years I think will be tough but it will be the condition of our energy that will make it good or bad for each individual. Some recent studies (you may have seen them) on cancer says "if you have a group of people around you for support, you are more likely to survive than if you have one or two" That made me wonder if we are the energy that propells the earth, is that the reason for Christ to have said "when two or more are gathered in my name it will be done" was he trying to explain how the energy on earth worked to people who did not have any understanding of universal energy? Possibly! I do know that the majority of us on earth are trapped in fear of something. War, finances, not being loved, someone will hurt us, losing our job, health, our families health, life, death, something. The Reds afraid of Kerry, the Blues of Bush. Fear, while we may not overcome, we need to try to control, to find that center of peace within not without, because the peace within is the only real security we have to endure well. Posted by: Sally on November 23, 2004 06:20 AMThis has just been reported on the 41st Anniversary of John Kennedy's Ultimate Sacrifice, Dallas 1963. This nation and the world has turned barbaric. Some now look at a fallen leader (JFK) like a game. And some promte the status quo, 'survival of the fittest'. When does the maddness end? JFK Reloaded picks up press, none pretty JFK video game called 'despicable' At least JFK is dead. This is what has got me so disgusted. A new Internet service based in Texas could allow hunters to shoot and kill exotic animals from their home computer. I am with you Sally, about the energy. All is energy. Now if there was someway I could zap this guy, whoever is doing this, I would. Posted by: Shade on November 23, 2004 11:45 AMI have in my time been a pretty good tarot card reader and what I learned from that profession was readings provide choice, not destiny. I just received my Dec. issue of Sedona Journal and it is the predictions issue. The following is a excerpt from Fred Sterling's prediction article: A President Unlike Any Other "I will set the pace of these predictions with the following prophecy: In your 2008 elections (and don't start thinking that this is so far off), the United States will either be privileged to have its first female president or, short of that, a male who is so balanced you won't even consider his gender because you will hear him proudly proclaim to be a spiritualist. That's right; it will be the first election contrived, propogated and finally won by a surge of independent believers---who, by the way, will be quite different than your current independent types. In this way, you will get your first glimpse of the Great Shift in consciousness.' Soon into 2005, a third party of the former "silent majority" will surge to greater recognition and never once look back. This party will have a platform based on truth, trust and a grand passion for we-the-people unlike anything you have seen since the Founding Fathers so innocently set the U.S. in motion." If we will only make this manifest. Patricia. Posted by: Patricia on November 23, 2004 01:50 PMSome really great information here. KM, you were very eloquent in your descriptions of how to manifest, and Sally hit the nail on the head: "whenever two or more are gathered". I think one reason so many of us are having trouble with the energies surrounding us is because we are remembering on a cellular level the events of Atlantean times. Just as then, the Children of the Law of One are trying to prevent the Children of Belial from manifesting their unenlightened ways of being, and heading us all towards disastrous events. Posted by: Peg on November 23, 2004 01:52 PMTalkingpoints Memo http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_11_21.php#004107 Posted by: Pat C on November 23, 2004 02:20 PMCliss Here's one for you http://www.crystalinks.com/elliesworld.html you may want to check out her e-zine and archives. Posted by: wv on November 23, 2004 02:26 PMIf I remember correctly, there has been interest in Indigo children expressed here? In case this poster is reading this, I thought I'd pass along the following link to a chat with Susan Gale, lecturer and co-author of Edgar Cayce on the Indigo Children. Susan also works with Indigo Children at A Place of Light: http://www.spiritoftheavatar.com/Chat.html Posted by: Peg on November 23, 2004 02:47 PMWell I just saw on MSNBC, the Queen of England, announcing that the government is intending to require identiy cards to combat terrorism and organized crime. She of course approves. Posted by: Pat C on November 23, 2004 03:08 PM"Fear, while we may not overcome, we need to try to control, to find that center of peace within not without, because the peace within is the only real security we have to endure well." Thank you for that Sally, it's just what I needed to hear regarding a situation on a more personal level. Bbuster, I agree except Tarot and Astrology aren't the same thing at all. Tarot depends more on psychic ability and astrology is just trying to read the mathematics of a situation. It's similar to someone picking up a rock and trying to determine what it is and a researcher or chemist who would break it down to see the properties of the rock. The information is there in astrology, just like the information of our physical health is there is out bodies, but mistakes have been made in both because we don't understand what we are looking at all the time. We do know if the energy around a person or situation is mostly positive or mostly negative and that energy can change daily with the faster moving planets, or we can have long term problems or opportunities with the slower moving planets, with the faster moving ones being identifying the timing of events. The United States as a whole for examply is in a long term trend of change and some of those changes are difficult for many of us, I think the polarization is extremely odd and we've been polarized for over 4 years. One thing I did not see in Kerry or Edwards charts was disappointment, interestingly Elizabeth Edwards has some very difficult transits and she does have a tough fight ahead of her. Another odd thing is I don't get or feel a lot of anger out of the 49 or 51 percent who voted for Kerry. Little pockets here and there but not widespread anger, it seems to be mostly resignation and depression, course depression is anger turned inward and I think that would be the Saturn oppose Pluto with Chiron conj. Pluto all in the US Chart. Look at what they are doing in the Ukrain, they are in the streets over their election and what they see as fraud. We just went back to work.
Posted by: Sally on November 23, 2004 03:50 PM It has been my experience that math is the language for all of it. There have been protests. This is a huge country, and the press has made a concerted effort to squash any news of anger or protest. I think there is resignation here, of a very sad type. Posted by: Pat C on November 23, 2004 04:18 PMSoulchild, I know exactly how you feel. There is a passage in the new testament that I am sure you know and it has been one of my favorites for as long as I can remember. "be not troubled or afraid for I leave you peace, not the peace of the world but peace that passes understanding." that's pretty much a paraphrase but I've hung onto it in troubled times and I look for that peace even if it's small or mementary. In my "other" career I've always worked with non-profits and I've worked for the homeless, the handicapped, the poor, the addicted, the dying and the strong but we all share one thing, fear and the quest for internal peace no matter how difficult the circumstances and I've found that when we tap into that, even momentarily, miracles happen. Posted by: Sally on November 23, 2004 04:22 PMhttp://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=396&row=0 An international election observer mission - from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, the European Parliament, the NATO Parliamentary Assembly and the Council of Europe - released a preliminary report on Monday declaring that the election did not meet democratic standards. The observers' findings were seconded by Republican Senator Richard G. Lugar of Indiana, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Citing the disturbing fact that official results diverged sharply from a range of surveys of voters at polling places, Lugar said, "A concerted and forceful program of election-day fraud and abuse was enacted with either the leadership or cooperation of governmental authorities." Other prominent Western observers were unsparing in their criticism of the state's conduct of the election. "Fundamental flaws in Ukraine's presidential election process subverted its legitimacy," the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, sponsored by the Democratic Party in the United States, declared in its preliminary report. The institute, cited "systematic intimidation, overt manipulation and blatant fraud" that were "designed to achieve a specific outcome irrespective of the will of the people." More... ...................... http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1101205815101550.xml 8,099 Cuyahoga ballots ruled invalid Cleveland Plain Dealer November 23, 2004 The questions about provisional ballots haven't gotten any easier, but there is a preliminary answer to how many of the controversial ballots will be discarded in Cuyahoga County. The Cuyahoga County Board of Elections voted Monday to reject one out of three of the 24,472 provisional ballots cast in the Nov. 2 election. The bulk of the 8,099 invalidated ballots were determined to have been cast by nonregistered voters or registered voters who cast their ballots in the wrong precinct. Voters received provisional ballots at the polls on Election Day if their names did not appear on the voter rolls. Among Ohio's 88 counties, Cuyahoga County had the largest number of the controversial ballots, which pre-election predictions had said could rival the hanging chad as a blemish on official election results. In the 2000 election, about 17 percent of provisional ballots were invalidated, compared with 33 percent in this election. ... ... Confusion among poll workers about provisional-ballot procedures resulted in inconsistent, and sometimes erroneous, directions to voters, and some legitimate voter registrations never made the official rolls because of administrative errors, according to testimony. Seventy percent of the rejected ballots, or 5,595, won't count because there was no record of their registration. "I find it inconceivable that over 5,000 voters in the county would wait an hour in the pouring rain to vote if they haven't registered," said Dr. Norm Robbins, a neurosciences professor at Case Western Reserve University who volunteered for the Greater Cleveland Voter Registration Coalition. Robert Bennett, the elections board chairman who also chairs the Ohio Republican Party, said provisional ballots were cross-checked by name and address before they were disqualified. But he acknowledged that errors may have seeped into the system. "We like to think it's a perfect system, but it's not," Bennett said. "We try to get it as perfect as we can." ... Posted by: Pat C on November 23, 2004 05:16 PMSally and Soulchild, thanks so much for touching on the subject of "fear". I, too, needed to be reminded to, as much as is humanly possible, let go of the fear. And to be reminded that the only real peace is found inside ones head. One more thing, Sally, it is amazing, isn't it, of the outpouring of Ukrainians on the streets, protesting their election. While we Americans, so smug in our democracy, obediently and quitely go into the night when there is evidence that we really have no democracy. The front page picture in the NYTs today of the Ukrainian protesters amazes, but saddens me. Posted by: Janet on November 23, 2004 05:26 PMPeg, A Psychic named Namcy Ann Tappe wrote the first book on the new indigo color she was seeing in auras, it came out in 1986 and is called "Understanding Your Life Through Color". Lee Carroll and Jan Tober have written two books about these new Indigo Children and what their inclinations are. You can get all those books at the Kryon web site at: http://www.kryon.com/altindex.html Laurie, Of course that blog has to be a hoax, Bill Clinton would never be that negative and paranoid for the public. I just finished reading his gigantic book and should of realized those letters were Bull. I feel like such a gullible babe-in-the-woods when I fall for such malarky. Sorry everyone; you'd think at 49+ I wouldn't be taken in so easily. [I still have to watch that natal Pisces Moon square to my Gemini Mercury.] Posted by: Jill G on November 23, 2004 05:53 PMFor all the non progress, ills of the nation such For all the non progress, ills of the nation such Jill G., yes, after browsing through the site I felt taken in also. Thanks . . . it seemed valid at first glance. Again, apologies for that. I've been enjoying the talk about Indigo children, as a psychic told my daughter she was one. And she's definitely intuitive and completely different! Very interesting! Posted by: Laurie on November 23, 2004 07:24 PMIn Kiev, the leaders called for the people to come out and demonstrate. In the US, they have not done that, and in fact discouraged it. Posted by: Pat C on November 23, 2004 08:39 PMGood news: Breaking News: GAO Will Investigate 2004 Elections http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/23/14248/605 Government Accountability Office to Conduct Investigation of 2004 Election Irregularities "We are pleased that the GAO has reviewed the concerns expressed in our letters and has found them of sufficient merit to warrant further investigation. On its own authority, the GAO will examine the security and accuracy of voting technologies, distribution and allocation of voting machines, and counting of provisional ballots. We are hopeful that GAO's non-partisan and expert analysis will get to the bottom of the flaws uncovered in the 2004 election. As part of this inquiry, we will provide copies of specific incident reports received in our offices, including more than 57,000 such complaints provided to the House Judiciary Committee. (more) Posted by: Laurie on November 23, 2004 08:45 PMLeaders don't have to tell us what we've to do; we You think these things organize themselves???? Hey man I'm out of here. Posted by: Pat C on November 23, 2004 09:24 PMsally, Sorry everyone, it's sorryeveryBODY.com m Posted by: mimi on November 23, 2004 10:04 PMJo: Hello! Long time no speak to. I just read your comment on capitalism and have to agree with you. It's biggest problem for me is that IT EXCLUDES SO MANY PEOPLE FROM IT'S PROCEEDS! Let them call me commi, I don't care. Capitalism only works for a few, not the many. Not to mention the irrevocable environmental degradation it perpetuates, whose cost is never figured in. Anita Roddick, of The Body Shop International is my hero when it comes to truly enlightened capitalism It will change your whole outlook on capitalism and I truly believe her company is the model for the future. If you do decide to check into her work, I would love to discuss it with you and other's. She is truly inspiring. Posted by: on November 23, 2004 10:15 PMI agree with PatC, protests need to be organized and need a leader whoever that is, not to tell us "what to do or why" but to organize it, we know what to do. The "national funk" might be Saturn conjunct the US Mercury, and 59 million people or more are feeling let down right now and powerless, we are feeding off each other's energy. There have been pockets of protest, Denver had one on Saturday, but it was kids and only 200 of them and no one knew about it, no one got the information about it. I agree Mimi, there is widespread anger and we are hiding it away and expressing it on the internet we are not pouring into the streets. In Kiev the guy who lost is leading their parade, we don't honestly know where "our" guy is or if he would take the presidency if it was found out that he won. Posted by: Sally on November 23, 2004 10:35 PMThe Center for Strategic and International Studies has issued an updated report on progress in Iraq (the original report is here). The CSIS evaluated the progress of the U.S. and the Iraqi provision government in six different areas and sounded a dismal note for every single one: security ("far from the tipping point"), governance ("not reached the tipping point"), economic opportunity ("overall, the U.S. efforts to improve the economic situation in Iraq have made little positive impact"), services (noting improvement in transportation, "a downward trend" for communications, fuel supplies and water services, and no noticeable change for electrical power. Sanitation also registered no change, remaining in "dire condition"), education ("not yet passed the tipping point"), and health care ("regressed considerably"). The problems mostly are attributed to the insurgency against the U.S. occupation of the country. At some point we will have to address whether our presence in Iraq is really helping or hindering the country. Posted by: Jo on November 23, 2004 11:39 PMCareful Jo. Posted by: Pat C on November 23, 2004 11:52 PMSteven Freeman, a researcher at the University of Pennsylvania, Freeman’s paper can be found at National Security Archive Update, November 23, 2004 For more information, contact: Veto Battle 30 Years Ago Set Freedom of Information Norms Scalia, Rumsfeld, Cheney Opposed 1974 Open Government Bill Washington, D.C., November 23, 2004 - President Gerald R. Ford wanted to sign the Freedom of Information Act strengthening amendments passed by Congress 30 years ago, but concern about leaks (shared by his chief of staff Donald Rumsfeld and deputy Richard Cheney) and legal arguments that the bill was unconstitutional (marshaled by government lawyer Antonin Scalia, among others) persuaded Ford to veto the bill, according to declassified documents posted today by the National Security Archive to mark the 30th anniversary of the veto override. The documents include President Ford's handwritten notation on his first legislative briefing document after succeeding President Nixon in August 1974, that "a veto [of the FOIA bill] presents problems. How serious are our objections?" White House aide Ken Cole wrote Ford on September 25, 1974, "There is little question that the legislation is bad on the merits, the real question is whether opposing it is important enough to face the political consequences. Obviously, there is a significant political disadvantage to vetoing a Freedom of Information bill, especially just before an election, when your Administration's theme is one of openness and candor." On November 20, 1974, the House of Representatives voted to override Ford's veto by a margin of 371 to 31; on November 21, the Senate followed suit by a 65 to 27 vote, giving the United States the core Freedom of Information Act still in effect today with judicial review of executive secrecy claims. The documents may be found at: http://www.nsarchive.org/NSAEBB/NSAEBB142/ KerryEdwards Campaign Participates in Ohio Recount Kerry/Edwards Campaign Participates in Ohio Recount FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE November 22, 2004 Kerry/Edwards Campaign Participates Ohio Recount Ohio Democratic Party Seeks Volunteers to Help Recount. COLUMBUS – Assuring Ohioans receive an accurate count of all votes cast for president has prompted the Democratic Party to participate in the initiative to recount the results of the Nov. 2 presidential election. “As Senator Kerry stated in his concession speech in Boston, we do not necessarily expect the results of the election to change, however, we believe it necessary to make sure everyone's vote is counted fairly and accurately,” said Dennis White, Ohio Democratic Party chair. Columbus Attorney Donald McTigue will lead the recount effort on behalf of Ohio Democrats. The party will be recruiting volunteer witnesses to assist in the recount process in all 88 counties. On Election Day and throughout the month of November, angry Ohio citizens have expressed frustration with long lines, malfunctioning voting machines and undelivered absentee ballots. There have been inconsistencies in the unofficial reports of the election, including an error in one Franklin County precinct that gave George Bush 3,893 more votes than actually cast for him. The recount can begin after the official results are certified, which likely will be in the first week of December. The Democratic Party wants to be fully prepared to begin a recount immediately. -more- http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/WO0411/S00261.htm Posted by: Laurie on November 24, 2004 01:38 AMDear all, I think the Uranus activity will also activate military disenchantment to a rather loud pitch. Soon will be squaring the US nodes again. Beasely, I laughed outloud when I read your post. The day after the election I was watching an interview with one of the Fundamentalists (different than evangelical) Christian and they were talking about what George owes them and I thought "wow, they will be sorry they sold their souls to the devil before this is over." I agree about the military, Uranus will be in a trine to the US Venus which rules the 6th house of military (in mundane astrology) Uranus trine Venus wants and embraces change and freedom. Posted by: Sally on November 24, 2004 04:46 AMI just emailed everyone I know (some of whom voted for B***) with the news that the new spending measure just passed cuts the Pell grants, ruling out 25% of kids now getting them (which the Chimp promised to protect from happening during the debates - let's see him veto it - not!), as well as the fact that the Morgan Stanley chief economist is predicting an "economic Armageddon". I followed this reassuring news with "you voted for him, I didn't"... "I wouldn't put any money in the stock market if I were you"..."kiss your pension fund goodbye"..."stay tuned, it will get worse." Normally a nice person who doesn't like to see suffering, I can't tell you the joy it gave me to just have this little bit of news to rub in. Imagine when the real crises materialize. I don't think the Bush supporters will be getting any sympathy from me. Posted by: Sharon on November 24, 2004 07:10 AMI am hesitent to discourage - but if this Inaugral chart interpreted continued Bush Co.. And too, reading Election 2004 as turning Bush regime out does not give much confidence in further predictions. Personally prefer Zena (iirc) excellent strong indicators of zero yr historical statistical pattern continuing to have effect. Ur sq Ur-US Sally wrote: "Another odd thing is I don't get or feel a lot of anger out of the 49 or 51 percent who voted for Kerry. Little pockets here and there but not widespread anger, it seems to be mostly resignation and depression, course depression is anger turned inward and I think that would be the Saturn oppose Pluto with Chiron conj. Pluto all in the US Chart." " Look at what they are doing in the Ukrain, they are in the streets over their election and what they see as fraud. We just went back to work. " I agree with some that has been written by Sally and others and disagree somewhat too... There is a lot of anger both at Kerry and the rigged voting here in the US, and it has been voiced all over sites on the web.... And I too have been angry at both Gore and Kerry = I think that's all it would have taken from either Natural born organizers all over the net would have had massive protests organized in less than two weeks. I admire what they are doing in the Ukraine. I admired what the people did in Yugoslavia. But now there is a slight difference. In 2000 we could have gotten away with it. In 2004 they are prepared for the people to protest - and the consequences of protests agqainst the fascists can be seen to be bloody and ugly. And one other thing - If Kerry said, meet me in But John Kerry said and did nothing...except to talk about trying again in 2008. HA. And now he has joined in the recount for Ohio ? 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