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Clash of the Titans
There is a deep and abiding fear in many Americans that our most hallowed, secular rite, the election of our leaders, is about to be desecrated beyond repair. At the heart of our democracy lies the irrevocable promise that we choose our leaders and that they lead by our consent. When steps are taken to thwart this process, to deny the right to vote to those citizens who are entitled to do so, the taint, if untended, can become a malevolent scourge deep within the American soul. The infamous felon purge of Florida’s voter rolls in the 2000 election that systematically disenfranchised many thousands of mostly African American, Democratic voters, will go down in history as one of the foremost examples of a shameless and despicable power grab that changed the course of history, bringing the radical George W. Bush and his corporate cronies into the halls of power. Unfortunately, there are already several examples of brazen voter suppression erupting in the 2004 election season. In both Nevada and Oregon, Democratic voter registration forms have been purposefully destroyed. Several states have reported intimidation of minority voters. And Greg Palast, who uncovered the nefarious Florida voter purge of 2000, claims that most of the unfairly expunged voters of four years ago have not yet been reinstated on the eve of the 2004 election. Given that the presidential race is in a dead heat nationally, as well as in many battleground states, these numerous assaults on our democratic process may have enormous ramifications. After much consideration of the many astrological factors, I am predicting that we may well have a post-election power struggle that will culminate between November 20 and 25, with John Kerry the winner. Our present-day increasingly vicious cultural civil war is likely to be ruthless, fierce, and deeply disturbing during these three weeks. Unfortunately, though the Kerry victory will be immensely important, it will not herald the end of this bitter war between two opposing and mutually exclusive world views. One can hope, however, that with appropriate presidential leadership, some of the excesses of this ongoing battle can be muted in the coming years. Despite the more widely accepted 8:03 AM birth time for John Kerry, I have begun to look more and more favorably on the originally given 7:10 AM time. The latter chart very accurately describes the exact period of the dip in Kerry’s momentum and the very debilitating (and likely quite painful for Kerry) Swift Boat controversy that began in mid-August. These difficult times came very precisely during the converse Moon square to Kerry’s Saturn, a reliably unhappy and emotionally stressful time for someone with a natal Saturn/Moon conjunction. Two days after the Saturn/Moon aspect had begun to wane, Kerry gave his highly energized September 20th foreign policy speech that can be seen as the real turning point away from the moribund energy that was hovering over his campaign. By the rousingly successful first debate on September 30, the debilitating effect of the Saturn/Moon aspect had completely evaporated. In the 8:03 AM chart, on the other hand, the Saturn/Moon influence would have remained intensely strong through October 3. There is no conceivable way this could be so. After the first debate, the candidate and his troops were miles away from the doldrums that had gripped the campaign from mid-August through mid-September. There are several other indicators that the 7:10 chart fits events quite accurately. The second crossing of Uranus square to the Ascendant in that chart, compounded by the opposition with Mars and Mercury in mid-August, came exactly at the time the Swift Boat ads appeared and Kerry’s post-Convention momentum (with Jupiter on the MC) ended. This was clearly a surprise attack (Mars/Uranus) that reversed everything very quickly and unexpectedly (Uranus). The final crossing of Uranus square to that chart’s Ascendant will come in January 2005, before, during, and after the Inauguration, when Kerry’s personal status is once again transformed suddenly and irrevocably as he becomes the next President of the United States. The significant aspect in the 7:10 AM Kerry chart for the final weeks of the campaign and into mid- November is the exact month-long crossing of Pluto square to the chart Midheaven, 21Virgo10. This aspect, which began in late December 2003, suggests an impassioned power struggle with a fierce opponent and an all-consuming battle for survival, resulting ultimately in a profound transformation. That its final intensified phase continues through November 20 before it begins to wane, suggests that a sense of brutal struggle may continue until that time. Amazingly, November 20 will bring a Mercury Pluto conjunction, the same aspect that sealed the fate of the 2000 election on December 12, 2000. It remains to be seen if this aspect will play a role in finalizing the 2004 election as well, though it will surely be a trigger to the fervent Pluto energy agitating much of the country at that time. While Kerry is under Pluto square to his Midheaven, the country will be under the final crossing of Pluto opposite natal Mars (21Gemini23) which will peak on November 25 before it begins to dissipate. This aspect, which also began in December 2003, has brought both the escalating struggle with the Iraqi insurgency of the past year and the strengthening cultural/political war in our midst at home, played out increasingly in the presidential and Congressional campaigns. It seems likely that one or both of these fierce struggles will intensify in November before the aspect begins to wane at the end of the month. Pluto’s stimulation of Mars’ position in the US 7th house throughout 2004 suggests ferocious battles with an open enemy. In addition, Mars’ dual rulership of the 4th and 12th houses suggests struggles with secret, hidden enemies (12th house), as well as the instability and anger at home relating to the battle (4th house). Another indication in the US chart of the strain that its citizens are currently under is the transit of Saturn quincunx US Moon (27Aquarius12) which runs from October 4 through November 19. Although a quincunx is not a major aspect, this configuration nonetheless indicates increased angst, sorrow, and feelings of burden, which certainly describes the pre-election feelings of many. That it continues through November 19 could easily indicate a prolonging of those insecure feelings in the general populace. The alternative, though not mutually exclusive, view would be that this Saturn/Moon aspect suggests a population increasingly upset about the war and the economy. Unexpected events could certainly add to concerns in those areas, but these are unlikely to lift after late November as would a belatedly finalized election. A consideration of other elements in Kerry’s chart contrasted with the general mood of Bush’s chart further clarifies the picture. Although Kerry is going through what is likely to be the power struggle of his political life (Pluto/MC), there are several other aspects that suggest a positive outcome during the same period. Progressed Venus is quincunx the Moon (8/04 through 6/05) and transiting Uranus is trine to his natal Venus (9/1 through 12/24/04). In addition, Jupiter, his ruling planet now in Libra, will be trine or sextile his Ascendant, Sun, Mars, Uranus, Moon, Pluto, and Mars at varying times over the next few months. The strong Venus influence suggests that the candidate will be surrounded by supportive and adoring crowds, and the Jupiter aspects indicate feelings of success and optimism. Bush, on the other hand, will be unable to avoid the failed consequences of his irresponsible policies, as reality continues to relentlessly nip at his heels over the next several months. With Saturn opposing the Midheaven in the Inaugural chart and both square the Midheaven and conjunct its own place in Bush’s own chart, and these aspects continuing with great strength through early December (Bush’s Saturn return) and early January (Saturn square Bush’s MC), I see no significant relief in sight for him. It is true that Jupiter will cross his Moon, December 19 through December 26, and cross his natal Jupiter, January 1 through January 11, 2005, normally an uplifting set of aspects for him. But the Moon/Jupiter can be ascribed to the Christmas holiday spirit, and the Jupiter return is concurrent with Saturn exactly square to Bush’s Midheaven and semisquare his Mars, which would seem to cancel much of Jupiter’s optimistic and celebratory energy. There are two other significant aspects that are currently impacting Bush, both triggered by Pluto in November. The first of these is Bush’s progressed Ascendant square to progressed Uranus (21Gemini32), triggered by transiting Pluto from November 2 through November 30. This aspect is likely to bring upsets, surprises, and reversals that can affect Bush personally (Ascendant). It suggests that the results of this election may surprise Bush and quite suddenly change his personal position in life. The Mercury/Pluto conjunction square the Moon on November 20 may act as a strong activator of this energy. The other noteworthy aspect in Bush’s chart is the converse progressed Mars conjunction to his Ascendant (7Leo07), which has been making him increasingly irritable, impatient, and angry in recent months. This progression goes well into 2005, but it is also triggered by Pluto in the immediate future. Pluto will be sesquiquadrate to Bush’s Ascendant/converse Mars progression from November 19 through December 16, and further stimulated by Mars on November 20 and 21. It seems likely that November and early December, especially the 20th and 21st of November, will be a time of great irritability and anger for our Resident in Chief. After almost four years of the radical Bush Presidency, the country is deeply stressed and fearful. Besides the deteriorating and violent conditions in Iraq, oil prices are soaring, the Stock Market is sinking, job creation is stagnant, we are swamped in debt, and our only allies, other than Great Britain, are the world’s dictators. The solitary thing that the Bush administration has excelled in has been its self-serving propaganda, and its manipulative control of the national conversation has been extraordinary. Half of the country continues to believe the Great Deceiver on a wide array of subjects despite an inordinate amount of evidence to the contrary. Much of the battle for John Kerry has been to penetrate this fog of illusion and present the American public with an alternative view of reality, one that is far closer to the truth than Bush’s myriad of fairy tale deceptions. The debates were a great aid in this regard in that the Senator was able to dismantle the caricature created by Bush and his toadies over the previous month. It remains to be seen, however, what November will bring in terms of post-election turmoil and how Bush’s Machiavellian propaganda machine will disfigure what should be a clear election victory for Senator Kerry. The planets indicate to me at least three weeks of some kind of struggle that seems likely to relate to the election results. It is hard to imagine that Bush will graciously concede defeat and abandon his addiction to power for the greater good of the country. He has never done so before.
Nancy Waterman on Oct 20 | Link
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Amen, Nancy, Amen. Many of us are feeling this will not be decided Nov. 2nd. But I do believe with all my heart and gut that Kerry will prevail. aWol is a street fighter, and is surrounded by the same... they will contest and contest... Your analysis is as usual very well thought out. Observation of events is a good barometer for determining a correct birth time, is it not...? Your chronology seems to fit, and I think we all should do as Sally advised earlier... get plenty of water and food on hand and prepare for a contest... We will PREVAIL... because we have to. Thank you for your time and efforts. Posted by: Jo on October 20, 2004 11:14 PMAs I wrote in the previous thread: the images are all very clear and very strong. Keep the vigil. See you tonight...and every night until there is clarity. OG. Posted by: old granny on October 20, 2004 11:18 PMThank you Nancy for your wonderful article, your time and insight NOW YOU CAN WATCH: "BUSH'S BRAIN" (aka Karl Rove) ON LINE AT THE SITE BELOW ALSO, ANY OF THE FOLLOWING CAN ALSO BE VIEWED: http://bushlies2.us Presidential and Vice-Presidential Debates Howard Dean at the DNC Al Sharpton at the DNC Outfoxed - Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism Truth and Lies of 9/11 The Hunting of the President Frontline - George W Bush - The Jesus Factor Uncovered: The Whole Truth About the Iraq War John Stewart on Crossfire (calls Tucker Carlson a DICK!) Fahrenheit 9/11 DVD Extras nancy-- once more you overlook the looming transiting pluto opposition to natal saturn in Kerry's chart--please read Robert Hand's description of this transit and see if you can glean any chance of success for Mister Kerry--He will be lucky to survive this transit Posted by: w on October 21, 2004 12:05 AMGreat article Nancy, thanks for your work. I know we all have bushfatigue so I am especially impressed with focus on what is happening right now and what can be expected from this election. W. Robert Hand's book while extremely valuable can only take interpretations aspect by aspect, there are hundreds of possibilities within a transiting aspect. There are progressions, solar returns, the condition of the planet in the natal chart. Kerry's Saturn is conjuncted by his Moon and opposed by the Sun and it all sextiles his Jupiter. The Saturn oppose the US Pluto and conjunct the US Mercury is a far more telling aspect because of the Mercury/Pluto natal opposition. Pluto will not be opposing Kerry's Saturn until January of 2005 and the opposition will show up in his Solar Return. I would say he has a lot of hard work without much reward in 2005. In May of 2005 Pluto opposes his natal Saturn, trines his progressed Jupiter, while Uranus will be squaring his natal Mars and his progressed Mars conjunct his natal Mars. the Spring of 2005 promises to be a difficult and dangerous time for Kerry. Posted by: Sally on October 21, 2004 12:44 AMGo Sally! And might I add, Nancy has never 'overlooked' tPluto opposed Kerry's nSaturn... she has discussed it in depth in previous articles. Politeness, is a 'good thing'... if I'm behaving like the 'junkyard dog' --- so be it... Posted by: Jo on October 21, 2004 12:55 AMNancy, your timing and insight are god-sent. Thank you. Posted by: Janet on October 21, 2004 01:17 AMHowdy, ya'll! It's been a while since I posted, started a new job. It's challenging but I'm really enjoying it. Thanks for all of the positive thoughts! Just wanted to say thanks to Nancy for a great article, and even though I don't post as much as I used to, I think of my Astroworld friends every day! Keep your spirits up and your energy focused, and if it hasn't been posted in a while... http://www.gratefulness.org/index.htm ...light a candle. Blessed be! Hi Dommael, Had you on my mind today... glad to hear you're doing well... light Posted by: Jo on October 21, 2004 01:21 AMw - I don't overlook the Pluto transit opposite Kerry's Saturn, but it doesn't begin til January. Once he is president, all kinds of pressures will come. Saturn rules his 2nd house and is in his 7th. He is talking a lot about regaining our allies. With Pluto on his 7th house Saturn that may not be so easy, but he will work hard at it. The idea of partnerships is very important to him. With Saturn ruling his second house, I think we will see the economic reality of the country and the painful reality of the Bush created recession making things very difficult as well. Posted by: Nancy on October 21, 2004 01:34 AMW....I am exactly 6 months older than John Kerry...my birthday is June 7, June 8 by GMT because I was born in Hawaii....I was born with Saturn conjunct my natal Sun at 16 Gemini. When Pluto opposed my sun exactly, it was my 59th birthday. I got shingles. My sun/ sat and Uranus is in the 8th, so Pluto was in the 2nd. I did have lots of things to take care of...my mother had declined so much that I had to ask help from the county to take care of her. It was intense....but not terrible. Well...it HURT alot! But Sally never ignores transits...I am sure John Kerry won't be able to either.
From Crystalinks.com Posted by: wv on October 21, 2004 01:52 AMIf you look at the 7:10 chart, Uranus first squares the Ascendant - change in personal conditions and envrionment - during the Inauguration period. Then it squares Uranus - ruler of the 3rd and in the 7th - perhaps Kerry will feel freer to act and speak out. He may also try some unusual things and be very creative in unexpected ways. Then Uranus squares his Mars, and things could get quite heated up. He could be quite aggressive in dealing with Congress or allies, or have some unexpectedly aggressive things to deal with. He won't wimp out under those aspects. The Pluto square to Saturn, second pass, comes during this springtime Uranus station square his Mars. It won't be dull!! Basically I think he will have sh*t pile left by Dubya, on the one hand, and Tom Delay, et al, on the other. By the way, when Pluto squared my Saturn it wasn't much of a big deal. I think I was a little more touchy than usual but that was it. It isn't necessarily such an awful aspect by itself. It depends on many other factors. Posted by: Nancy on October 21, 2004 01:56 AMBushfatigued, love your posts. Been wondering--are you mulling over names so you can pick a new handle for 2005? I am hoping and believing that anything Bush will be so last year. Posted by: Barbara on October 21, 2004 01:59 AMBarbara - From your lips.... I soooo look forward to him being passe and just a bad memory. Posted by: Nancy on October 21, 2004 02:04 AMNancy...sorry...I said Sally. I should have said Nancy doesn't ignore aspects. Finally got a chance to watch Jon Stewart on the Crossfire video....I really can see his Scorpio-ness...! The exchange where Tucker bowtie asked if he would be lectured if they had dinner together and Jon said, well...yes...And Bowtie said something like 'I wouldn't want to eat with you' and Jon said 'don't worry, you won't..' He's good! But of course, when he called Bowtie a 'dick' it was even better.... Posted by: judi gemini on October 21, 2004 02:10 AMWas it just me today, or was it the moon in Capricorn (which always does me in...depression time! feeling of foreboding!) or are other people feeling this sense of foreshadowing? This morning was completely awful in terms of energy. Was this the VOC moon? was there one? I even turned down an invite to dinner with my daughter and family. It feels better now. I checked..looks like the Moon is now in Aquarius. It feels better now. Posted by: judi gemini on October 21, 2004 02:16 AMOd Granny...I saw the voter thing on the Cartoon network (or one of them...) when I had my gr.kids here....I wonder, if in 2000 the kids voted for Bush or Gore? Technically, Gore won the vote and lost the election. Posted by: judi gemini on October 21, 2004 02:19 AMRobert Kuttner article: Posted by: Nancy on October 21, 2004 02:32 AMgreat article nancy! i respect your flexibility and vigor by providing a dynamic analysis. wishful thinker that i am, i'll note that you said: "The alternative, though not mutually exclusive, view would be that this Saturn/Moon aspect suggests a population increasingly upset about the war and the economy. Unexpected events could certainly add to concerns in those areas, but these are unlikely to lift after late November as would a belatedly finalized election." my belief is that the two are "mutually exclusive" and, further, that kerry wins on nov 2nd (or 3rd early am) with a round of squabbles frightening the nation that * will try to keep power. parallel to this would be an unveiling of the true state of the economy, foreign affairs, and the world ecology; or more accurately, a full awareness of what is already out there. i believe the mood will be anger at bush combined with a much more wide spread disbelief by many that they ever supported this clown *. --------------- Clearly, the Emperor has no Clothes http://www.startribune.com/stories/1519/5041158.html Posted by: Nancy on October 21, 2004 03:04 AMI often make a mistake when I try to predict an event rather than the energies. So here are the energies without my projections: The country will be depressed, irritable, feeling the wieght of something that is bearable but ponderous, and feeling in the midst of some kind of fierce battle. All of these aspects are happening now and have been since after the october 5. The battle has been going since late August but the feeling of heaviness has been increasing. These feelings continue through about November 20 -25. Bush around that time gets increasingly angry and irritable, but the country feels calmer, after the 25th especially. You can see how I came to the conclusion I did, but it could unfold in many ways. Posted by: Nancy on October 21, 2004 03:15 AMMy goodness, they are getting desparate. GOP Pressures Rock the Vote to Stop Talking About the Draft Last week GOP Chairman Ed Gillespie sent an extraordinary letter to the group Rock the Vote requesting that it "cease and desist" from promoting its campaign warning young voters that the government may reinstate the draft. Gillespie threatened to take legal action and said the group's non-profit status could be in jeopardy. more...... Posted by: Shade on October 21, 2004 03:27 AMWonderful article, Nancy, as usual. I've lived through a Pluto-Saturn square. Nothing earth-shattering happened but a lot of anger that I had suppressed for many years started bubbling to the surface (sounds more like Pluto-Mars). Almost all of it involving my father and my ex-husband, like a delayed reaction to the hurts of the past. Any chance that Kerry will be given his "honeymoon" period like other presidents have had? Posted by: Teresa on October 21, 2004 03:46 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5044071-112564,00.html Posted by: wv on October 21, 2004 04:11 AMBarbara, Now many indications point to John Kerry and John Edwards being the victors and I do feel “Help is On the Way” I am now allowing myself to think about a new Nom De Plume~ Hallelujah!! Arianna: Will Bush Spark a Seismic Youthquake??? http://www.ariannaonline.com/columns/column.php?id=739 Posted by: wv on October 21, 2004 04:25 AMBushfatigued--why not just'Letsrock'? As in the free world (once again). Posted by: shylurker on October 21, 2004 05:14 AMShylurker, I am really looking forward to my born-again name experience~~All suggestions are welcome~~ Posted by: Bushfatigued on October 21, 2004 05:18 AMhey,to the poster-soon-to-be-formerly-known-as bushfatigued, how about KerryUS as a new name? Also, can't resist saying YAY SOX (and GO CARDINALS, hope they win it all) and blue light over USA, and white light to those in need.....truth ROCKS!!! Posted by: Garry on October 21, 2004 06:00 AMWell, there ya'go: Truthrocks. Excellent, Gary, just excellent. Posted by: shylurker on October 21, 2004 06:08 AMHi All - It's been quite awhile since I've posted or had I hope you all are doing the same where you are. Even a couple of men from Honduras who speak absolutely no English have come in, they're from the Carpenter's Union, and make the night-time sorties to put up signs with me and support Kerry. On the astrological side, I have to agree with Nancy. We are going to have 2000 Redux and there Meanwhile, we have two weeks left to work to get every vote out and to count. We are encouraging people to ask for a paper ballot. They dont have So guys, I hope you'll get to it and make certain Pallas Posted by: Pallas18 on October 21, 2004 07:05 AMwv, great links. what did your friend from sa think of aw. i tried to grovel a bit after i found out he was reading the board. nancy, i like the last paragraph above. you may well be right. it's hard for me to back away from your predictions about 11/02/04 and a kerry win since i've been using that and your articles like a journalistic xanax to calm my fears. maybe i need to start thinking of the modified prediction as ginko...i like xanax better! thank you for the wonderful article and all the other's you've contributed since the dark days! Posted by: mike on October 21, 2004 07:18 AMdomael, nice to hear from you again. i was just laughing to myself about the 'cousin's business and fat duncan a few days ago. pallas18, thank you for the great work you're doing for kerry and elsewhere on the www. Posted by: mike on October 21, 2004 07:24 AM
Washington Post: "[I]n the October issue of Vanity Fair magazine, former Supreme Court law clerks from the court's 2000-01 term speak out -- under cover of anonymity -- about what they saw behind the scenes during the fateful case of Bush v. Gore. That case, decided by a 5-4 vote, ended the contentious recount in Florida, thereby giving the presidency to George W. Bush. [C]lerks contend that the decision was a rank exercise in partisanship by conservative Republican justices.... 'We feel that something illegitimate was done with the Court's power, and such an extraordinary situation justifies breaking an obligation we'd otherwise honor,' one clerk told the magazine. [But] Republican senators John Cornyn, Saxby Chambliss and Lindsey Graham have asked Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) for hearings 'to determine whether there has been misconduct.'" Whistle-blowers tell the truth about partisan abuse of the Supreme Court, so right wing Senators launch a witch hunt. __State by State Results Show Kerry Leading Bush 53-43% in 13 Swing States Despite the ongoing assault by corporate media polls designed to keep advertising (the endless Bush infomercial of network news) and campaign dollars pouring in, the state by state figures show a very different story indeed. "A Washington Post poll shows Kerry with a significant lead in important states that could decide the outcome of the election. The poll found Kerry held a 53% to 43% lead among likely voters in 13 such states." In fact, the state by state polls show Kerry with a steadily increasing lead and it is hard to find evidence of any "dead heat", let alone a Bush lead. Well....perhaps Sally can eliminate the double posts. They just keep happening. And Sally....at last, a genealogy related post!!! __Bush Relatives for Kerry! "Bush Relatives for Kerry" grew out of a series of conversations that took place between a group of people that have two things in common: they are all related to George Walker Bush, and they are all voting for John Kerry. As the election approaches, we feel it is our responsibility to speak out about why we are voting for John Kerry, and to do our small part to help America heal from the sickness it has suffered since George Bush was appointed President in 2000. We invite you to read our stories, and please, don't vote for our cousin! You can view the family tree to see how they are related to GWB. POST THIS PROMENENTLY! LOOK WHO DIDN'T "PUT THEIR BODY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS" DEMOCRATS: REPUBLICANS PUNDITS Please pass this on to people in your address book so we can consider "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power." Benito Mussolini Bush has been condemning Kerry for 'not getting' the war on terror. However, Bush refused to kill Zarqawi *3 times*. Here's more on the story: What makes Bush's argument so monumentally deceitful is the fact that his adminstration declined to take action against Zarqawi prior to the invasion of Iraq, and passed on an opportunity to destroy Zarqawi and his cadre in their isloated camp, so he they could use his presence within the political borders of Iraq as a causus bellum to support the case for war. http://martinirepublic.com/item/deceitful-bush-forgets-he-refused-to-kill-zarqawi-before-war Slate has an article on the recent incident in Iraq that some are calling a 'mutiny' --- yes, I said Slate... gist of the piece is that we are sending in week-end warriors who are as unprepared as draftees of past wars. CNN has a piece indicating the Captain of the Rock Hill, South Carolina unit that refused 'to go' has been relieved of command and name withheld. http://slate.msn.com/id/2108357/ http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/10/20/iraq.reservist/index.html Posted by: Jo on October 21, 2004 01:56 PMMarkos Moulitsas, the Kos of dailykos.com has another article in The Guardian today... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/markosmoulitsas/story/0,15139,1331610,00.html Posted by: Jo on October 21, 2004 02:05 PMSpeaking of the Guardian, breaking news at this moment says Geoff Hoon, defence secretary, has spoken to MPs indicating Brits will deploy 650 troops as requested by USA --- few paragraphs down, we are informed that: "Mr Hoon's statement will be followed in the Commons by a debate on defence, giving dissident Labour MPs a chance to express their concerns. Some Labour MPs, including a number who backed last year's invasion, suspect the move has been designed to bolster George Bush in the run-up to the US presidential election next month. Mr Blair has flatly denied that suggestion." ----------- So you see, Democracy in the UK is "Blair acts" MPs growl, disagree... then sit back down. In the US "aWol acts" and silence reigns. Don't worry, the Brits will get the hang of it yet. Pretty soon, even the backbenchers will applaud every idiotic move Tony makes. :-) One more reason John FORBES Kerry has to win... we must save the UK from fascism... :-) Namaste Posted by: Jo on October 21, 2004 02:16 PMI recommend the below-linked diary --- forward it to any of your friends/family who are sitting on the fence... just one example of what this mis- administration has done to its citizens... they can't protect us from planes flying into buildings or from the flu... but they CAN and DO make life miserable for many... Big Oakie, author of this diary is the father of a young man in Iraq (he was due to come home Aug but I haven't heard that he did) and the grandfather of a little one... a good hearted man... average American... http://dailykos.com/story/2004/10/20/18011/313 Posted by: Jo on October 21, 2004 03:22 PMHi folks, Haven't posted for a while - more peaceful just lurking and taking it all in. Also still recovering from the poor results in Oz. Many thanks to Sally & Nancy for their most excellent articles. Always looking forward to the next 'instalment'. Another article from the Guardian for you - just goes to show that the thugs on the right have to got no sense of humour. I guess that's why they're called reactionaries... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1332041,00.html Keep fightin' the good fight! Jase. Posted by: Jase on October 21, 2004 03:30 PMMore good news from the Vedic community: http://parasara.blogspot.com/2004/10/arudha-lagna-us-elections-2004.html Posted by: Lucy on October 21, 2004 04:11 PM
http://www.michaelmandeville.com/earthmonitor/ecbulletins/2004/ecb_Oct_20_04.htm Posted by: wv on October 21, 2004 06:03 PMI forgot to thank Nancy for this great article/roadmap. Which leads me to Judi Gemini's Moon in Capricorn comments. I had to laugh because that's my natal (plus Moon opposes Pluto in Cancer). It is a very sandpapery placement, not at all graceful. Teresa, I too hope Kerry will have a honeymoon period, but doubt it. Remember that Clinton didn't get one. The rad right was after him before he was nominated and they never let up, We Bushbaby a honeymoon when we were all hoping he wouldn't be a disaster. For a military viewpoint of Iraq and Bush here is a great site Posted by: Barbara on October 21, 2004 06:59 PMmeant to say "we gave Bushbaby a honeymoon,,," Posted by: Barbara on October 21, 2004 07:01 PMThank You Lucy for posting the Verdic article~ I especially thought the below statement was telling: "The Sun-Saturn combination in the 10th house shows that the Republican Party is a divided house (although this may not show up outwardly) and indicates a negative vote from the people (Saturn is 5th lord) who do not like strong administrative policies (Sun)." Of late I have read numerous articles concerning a huge amount of anger, strain and discourse within the Republican party because of Bush policies. Even my favorite nut job Pat Buchanan stated if Bush loses re-election a fight for the heart and soul of the Republican party will take place between more moderate Republicans and the gaggle of extreme right wing wacko's that are now in charge. Posted by: Bushfatigued on October 21, 2004 07:10 PMRReagan ran against then Pres. Gerald Ford in the Rep primaries for President in 1976... he lost by only 60 delegates to Ford, who went on to lose to Carter in November... many say Carter won because Nancy Reagan convinced those who supported Reagan to go fishing on election day... she never forgave the win to Ford... my point? Republicans have been known to express themselves by NOT voting... 1976 was not the only time. There are a number of paleoconservatives who will have 'other plans' on Nov. 2nd... Rationale? If * wins, it will be virtually impossible for Buchanan and others to 'take the party' back... They dislike the direction the country is headed as much as we do. If, on the other hand, JFK wins... the paleos will have plenty of time and means to restructure. Posted by: Jo on October 21, 2004 07:45 PM
http://www.alternet.org/election04/20223/ Posted by: wv on October 21, 2004 08:07 PMPallas 18, My husband & I have almost 50 Kerry lawn signs we purchased. With Bush ahead by almost 12 points in the pulls in LA, we would like to send them to Florida instead which is in a dead heat. Do you think you could use them, or do you know anyone who could? We were planning to call Kerry Headquarters in some of the more Republican areas like the panhandle, etc. What's your take on this? We will ship them out in the next 2 days and pay shipping costs. Sharon Katz Posted by: Sharon Katz on October 21, 2004 09:00 PMhttp://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/6562575? Never pass up an opportunity to read a fine screed by our very own HST Posted by: shylurker on October 21, 2004 09:06 PMBarbara....that is a great description...kind of sandpapery....for the Cap moon. My little grandson has one, too....Cancer rising....while the granddaughter has Cap rising and a Cancer moon... I have the asteroid Hesta (I think - it looks like a daisy with a crossed stem) at 28 Capricorn....it makes aspects to everything in my chart....perhaps explaining the concrete like depression I get for those 2.5 days? I can always feel it lift...one minute I want to knock myself unconscious, the next I am back on top again.... Posted by: judi gemini on October 21, 2004 09:07 PMAmazing! Read this letter to Sinclair Broadcast Group from the Comptroller of New York!! http://www.truthout.org/mm_01/4.sinclairletter101804.pdf If you can't open that file, it is also here: http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/102104B.shtml Posted by: Laurie on October 21, 2004 09:12 PMDey served DeLay: http://blog.dccc.org/mt/archives/001442.html Posted by: shylurker on October 21, 2004 09:18 PMShylurker...love it! Had no idea who HST was on your post....but of course, it is the always incredibily entertaining Hunter S. Thompson - or Duke, as I've come to think of him...."The genetically vicious nature of presidential campaigns in America is too obvious to argue with, but some people call it fun, and I am one of them. Election Day -- especially a presidential election -- is always a wild and terrifying time for politics junkies, and I am one of those, too. We look forward to major election days like sex addicts look forward to orgies. We are slaves to it." Love it!!! This pretty much says it all, doesn't it?: There was a young man named Green "It was horrible to hear him tell it," said the classmate, who spoke only on condition of anonymity. He lifted his shirt and showed me a scar on his back put there by young George. "He burned this into my flesh with a red-hot poker," he said solemnly, "and I have hated him ever since. That jackass was born cruel. He burned me in the back while I was blindfolded. This scar will be with me forever." There is nothing new or secret about that story. It ran on the front page of the Yale Daily News and caused a nasty scandal for a few weeks, but nobody was ever expelled for it. George did his first cover-up job. And he liked it. WV,Shylurker, Jo, Old Granny....and anyone else I can't think of by name from the 60's....time to throw dead rats over the fence on Penn. Ave....more from Hunter Thompson, who still ROCKS.... "Back in June, when John Kerry was beginning to feel like a winner, I had a quick little rendezvous with him on a rain-soaked runway in Aspen, Colorado, where he was scheduled to meet with a harem of wealthy campaign contributors. As we rode to the event, I told him that Bush's vicious goons in the White House are perfectly capable of assassinating Nader and blaming it on him. His staff laughed, but the Secret Service men didn't. Kerry quickly suggested that I might make a good running mate, and we reminisced about trying to end the Vietnam War in 1972. That was the year I first met him, at a riot on that elegant little street in front of the White House. He was yelling into a bullhorn and I was trying to throw a dead, bleeding rat over a black-spike fence and onto the president's lawn. We were angry and righteous in those days, and there were millions of us. We kicked two chief executives out of the White House because they were stupid warmongers. We conquered Lyndon Johnson and we stomped on Richard Nixon -- which wise people said was impossible, but so what? It was fun. We were warriors then, and our tribe was strong like a river." That river is still running. All we have to do is get out and vote, while it's still legal, and we will wash those crooked warmongers out of the White House. It's important that we listen carefully to the honest voices of those closest to our Iraq catastrophe. Here's one not to be missed. Tom
I am not a pacifist. I am a mother. By nature, the two are incompatible, for even a cottontail rabbit will fight to protect her young. Violent action may well be necessary in defense of one's family or home (and that definition of home can easily be extended to community and beyond); but violence, no matter how warranted, always takes a heavy toll. And violence taken to the extreme -- war -- exacts the most extreme costs. A just war there may be, but there is no such thing as a good war. And the burdens of an unjust war are insufferable. I know something about the costs of an unjust war, for my son, Nick -- an infantryman in the U.S. Army -- is fighting one in Iraq. I don't speak for my son. I couldn't even if I wanted to, for all I hear through the Mom Filter is: "I'm fine, Mom, don't worry, I'm fine, everything is fine, fine, fine, we're fine, just fine". But I can tell you what some of the costs are as I live and breathe them. First, the minor stuff: my constant feelings of dread and despair; the sweeping rage that alternates with petrifying fear; the torrents of tears that accompany a maddening sense of helplessness and vulnerability. My son is involved in a deadly situation that should never have been. I feel like a mother lion in a cage, my grown cub in danger, and all I can do is throw myself furiously against the bars…impotent to protect him. My tolerance for bullshit is zero, and I've snapped off more heads in the last several months than in all my 48 years combined. For the first time in my life, and with great amazement and sorrow, I feel what can only be described as hatred. It took me a long time to admit it, but there it is. I loathe the hubris, the callousness, and the lies of those in the Bush administration who led us into this war. Truth be told, I even loathe the fallible and very human purveyors of those lies. I feel no satisfaction in this admission, only sadness and recognition. And hope that --given time -- I can do better. I never wanted to hate anyone. Xanax helps a bit. At least it holds the debilitating panic attacks somewhat at bay, so I can fake it through one more day. A friend in the same situation relies on a six pack of beer every night; another has drifted into a la-la land of denial. Nice. Then there is the wedge that's been driven between part of my extended family and me. They don't see this war as one based on lies. They've become evangelical believers in a false faith, swallowing Bush's fear mongering, his chicken-hawk posturing and strutting, and cheering his "bring ‘em on" attitude as a sign of strength and resoluteness. Perhaps life is just easier that way. These are the same people who have known my son since he was a baby, who have held him and loved him and played with him, who have bought him birthday presents and taken him fishing. I don't know them anymore. But enough of my whining. My son is alive and in one piece, unlike the 1,102 dead and 7,782 severely wounded American soldiers; which equals 8,884 blood soaked uniforms, and doesn't even count the estimated 20,000 troops-- not publicly reported by the Department of Defense-- medivaced out of Iraq for "non-combat related injuries." Every death, every injury burns like a knife in my gut, for these are all America's sons and daughters. And I know I'm not immune to that knock on my door either. And what of the Iraqi people? How many casualties have they suffered? How many tens of thousands dead and wounded? How many Iraqi mothers have wept, weep now, for their lost children? I fear we will never know, for though the Pentagon has begun --almost gleefully -- counting Iraqi insurgent deaths, there is little chance of getting an accurate verification of civilian casualties. You know, "collateral damage." Yes, my son is alive and, as far as I know, well. I wish I could say the same for some of his friends. One young man who was involved in heavy fighting during the invasion is now so debilitated by post-traumatic stress disorder that he routinely has flashbacks in which he smells burning flesh; he can't close his eyes without seeing people's heads squashed like frogs in the middle of the road, or dead and dying women and children, burned, bleeding and dismembered. Sometimes he hears the sounds of battle raging around him, and he has been hospitalized twice for suicidal tendencies. When he was home on leave, this 27 year old man would crawl into his mother's room at night and sob in her lap for hours. Instead of getting treatment for PTSD, he has just received a "less than honorable" discharge from the Army. The rest of his unit redeploys to Iraq in February. Another friend of Nick's was horrifically wounded when his Humvee stopped on an IED. He didn't even have time to instinctively raise his arm and protect his face. Shrapnel ripped through his right eye, obliterating it to gooey shreds, and penetrated his brain. He has been in a coma since March. His mother spends every day with him in the hospital; his wife is devastated, and their 1½ year old daughter doesn't know her daddy. But my son's friend is a fighter and so is making steady, incremental progress toward consciousness. He has a long hard struggle ahead of him, one that he need never have faced -- and his family has had to fight every step of the way to get him the treatment he needs. So much for supporting the troops. I go visit him every week and it breaks my heart to see the burned faces, the missing limbs, the limps, the vacant stares one encounters in an acute-care military hospital. In front of the hospital there is a cannon, and every afternoon they blast that sucker off. You should see all the poor guys hit the pavement. Though many requests have been made to discontinue the practice for the sake of the returning wounded, the general in charge refuses. Boom. Then there is Nick's 24 year old Kurdish friend, the college-educated son of teachers, multilingual and highly intelligent. He works as a translator for the U.S. Army for $600 a month and lives on base, where he is relatively safe. (Translators for private contractors, also living on base, make $7200 a month). He wants to travel to the States to continue his education, but no visas are now being issued from Iraq. Once the army is through with him, will they just send him back into the streets, a virtual dead man for having worked with the Americans? My son places a high premium on loyalty to family and friends, and he has been raised to walk his talk. This must be a harsh and embittering lesson on just how unprincipled the rest of the world can be. My heart aches for his Iraqi friend as well as for him. A year ago in January, when Nick left for Iraq, I granted myself permission to be stark raving mad for the length of his deployment. By god, I've done a good job of it, without apology or excuse. And I dare say there are at least 139,999 other moms who have done the same -- though taking troop rotations into consideration to maintain that magical number of 140,000 in the sand could put the number of crazed military moms as high as 300,000, maybe more. Right now, you might want to be careful about cutting in line in front of a middle-aged woman. I know there are military moms who view the war in Iraq through different ideological lenses than mine. Sometimes I envy them. God, how much easier it must be to believe one's son or daughter is fighting for a just and noble cause! But no matter how hard I scrutinize the invasion and occupation of Iraq, all I see are lies, corruption, and greed fueled by a powerful addiction to oil. Real soldiers get blown to tatters in their "Hummers," so that well-heeled American suburbanites can play in theirs. For my family and me, the costs of this war are real and not abstract. By day, I fight my demons of dreaded possibility, beat them back into the shadows, into the dark recesses of my mind. Every night, they hiss and whisper a vile prognosis of gloom and desolation. I order the voices into silence, but too often they laugh at and mock my commands. I wonder if George Bush ever hears these voices. And I wonder, too…just how much are we willing to pay for a gallon of gas? Teri Wills Allison, a massage therapist and a member of Military Families Speak Out, lives near Austin, Texas with her husband. She is the mother of two grown children, the oldest of whom is a soldier deployed to Iraq.
Differnce between Bush and Kerry supporters.... The blind leading the blind Even if they don't like to say it out loud, lots of Democrats think that George Bush's supporters are a horde of ignoramuses. Now comes evidence that they're right! A remarkable new report, titled "The Separate Realities of Bush and Kerry Supporters," from PIPA, the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, suggests that rank and file Republicans are more benighted than even the most supercilious coastal elitist would imagine. Analyzing data from a series of nationwide polls, the report finds that a majority of Bush supporters believe things about the world that are objectively untrue, while the majority of Kerry supporters dwell in the reality-based community. For example, Bush backers largely think that the president and his policies are popular internationally. Seventy-five percent believe that Iraq was providing "substantial" aid to al-Qaida, and 63 percent say clear evidence of this has been found. That, of course, would be news even to Donald Rumsfeld, who earlier this month told the Council on Foreign Relations, "To my knowledge, I have not seen any strong, hard evidence that links the two." Though its language is dispassionate, the report lays responsibility for this epidemic of ignorance at the White House's door. "So why are Bush supporters clinging so tightly to these beliefs in the face of repeated disconfirmations?" it asks. "Apparently one key reason is that they continue to hear the Bush administration confirming these beliefs." Indeed, it says, "an overwhelming 82% [of Bush supporters] perceive the Bush administration as saying that Iraq had WMD (63%) or a major WMD program (19%). Only 16% of Bush supporters perceive the administration as saying that Iraq had some limited activities, but not an active program (15%) or had nothing (1%). The pattern on al Qaeda is similar. Seventy-five percent of Bush supporters think the Bush administration is currently saying Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda (56%) or even that it was directly involved in 9/11 (19%). Further, 55% of Bush supporters say it is their impression the Bush administration is currently saying the US has found clear evidence Saddam Hussein was working closely with al Qaeda (not saying clear evidence found: 37%)." These people aren't going to be swayed by the argument that Bush has alienated America's allies and left the country isolated in the world, because they don't believe this to be the case. "Despite a steady flow of official statements, public demonstrations, and public opinion polls showing that the US war against Iraq is quite unpopular, only 31% of Bush supporters recognize that the majority of people in the world oppose the US having gone to war with Iraq," the study says. Bush supporters also think that world public opinion favors Bush's reelection. In a poll taken from Sept. 3-7, the study says, "57% of Bush supporters assumed that the majority of people in the world would prefer to see Bush reelected, 33% assumed that views are evenly divided and only 9% assumed that Kerry would be preferred." In fact, a PIPA study released in early September found that a majority or plurality of people from 32 countries preferred Kerry to Bush. PIPA surveyed 34,330 people, ages 15 and above, from regions all over the world. A Pew poll released this spring similarly found that "large majorities in every country, except for the U.S., hold an unfavorable opinion of Bush." Bush supporters are also mistaken about the president's own positions (a pattern of misapprehension that an earlier PIPA report also documented). "Majorities incorrectly assumed that Bush supports multilateral approaches to various international issues -- the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (69%), the treaty banning land mines (72%); 51% incorrectly assumed he favors US participation in the Kyoto treaty -- the principal international accord on global warming ... Only 13% of supporters are aware that he opposes labor and environmental standards in trade agreements -- 74% incorrectly believe that he favors including labor and environmental standards in agreements on trade. In all these cases, there is a recurring theme: majorities of Bush supporters favor these positions, and they infer that Bush favors them as well." According to the report, this reality gap is something new in American life. "So why do Bush supporters show such a resistance to accepting dissonant information?" it asks. "While it is normal for people to show some resistance, the magnitude of the denial goes beyond the ordinary. Bush supporters have succeeded in suppressing awareness of the findings of a whole series of high-profile reports about prewar Iraq that have been blazoned across the headlines of newspapers and prompted extensive, high-profile and agonizing reflection. The fact that a large portion of Americans say they are unaware that the original reasons that the US took military action -- and for which Americans continue to die on a daily basis -- are not turning out to be valid, are probably not due to a simple failure to pay attention to the news." The analysis says that the roots of this denial could lie in the trauma of 9/11 and people's desire to hold on to their image of Bush as a "capable protector." It offers no guidance, though, on how ordinary Republicans might be coaxed back to reality. And while "The Separate Realities of Bush and Kerry Supporters" may be perversely satisfying to Democrats in its confirmation of blue-state prejudices, it carries a pretty disturbing question for all rational Americans: How can arguments based on fact prevail in a nation where so many people know so little? -- Michelle Goldberg Posted by judi gemini at October 21, 2004 09:41 PM Thank you, Judi, for this. Read that Eddie Vedder and Mike McCready did a "hauntingly powerful" rendition of Dylan's "Masters of War" at a MM performance in Seattle on Tuesday night. Remember Masters of War? Come you masters of war More V V tonight. I want to post a bit on that later. Hope you will join me tonight again. Until then. THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND Even if they don't like to say it out loud, lots of Democrats think that George Bush's supporters are a horde of ignoramuses. Now comes evidence that they're right! A remarkable new report, titled "The Separate Realities of Bush and Kerry Supporters," from PIPA, the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, suggests that rank and file Republicans are more benighted than even the most supercilious coastal elitist would imagine.
Posted by judi gemini at October 21, 2004 02:19 AM
The writer of the Nick article I read wrote: "Kids aren't dumb, they're just younger and shorter..." Posted by: old granny on October 21, 2004 11:06 PMOld Granny...will be there for V V - which reminds me suddenly of the Victory sign from WWII... but just to keep it interesting, can we throw the rats, too? hahahahah Posted by: judi gemini on October 21, 2004 11:10 PMPallas...regarding: ...nighttime trips all over the towns putting up signs and picking up our signs that the bushistas have destroyed, actually vandalized, torn in half, or just plain stolen... Fortunately we don't have that sort of stuff here in AR. People are quite respectable, weirdly enough. Also very inward; nobody flaunts much. Drove through town today. Next to a huge yard sign for Bush in the next yard is a huge sign for Kerry. One yard did have 10(!) Kerry yard signs!!! I did count, though, about almost 2-1 yard signs for Kerry(not even counting the 10 in the one yard!) We are in a democratic stronghold here, though, so don't know how the rest of the state will go. Took my mother's absentee ballot in today. Another vote for Kerry, although she was in favor of the Ark const. amendment to make marriage only between a man and a woman. Posted by: old granny on October 21, 2004 11:12 PMOld Granny, I live in strong Repug area and no sign of any vandalism... Maybe b/c supporters feel they don't have to stoop to that, I don't know. Look forward to 'seeing' you at 10:00 tonight! Sharon Katz, I thought you LIVED in Florida? And what's up with 'buying' yard signs...? I've heard some mention of that one or twice... here in Carolina we just go by Dem Hdqtrs and pick up what we need... free. Is it a way of raising money? btw, glad to hear your voice... been wondering where you are... Posted by: Jo on October 21, 2004 11:23 PMOld Granny...I think kids don't have any blocks to their perceptions...they saw it and they called it!!! amazing! I am sure I knew, too....despite having such open channels to 'everything in the world' at that time, I couldn't abide the horror of what was coming...I blocked it from consciousness, but didn't succede on the unconscious level, so got horribly depressed and sick before hand. Posted by: judi gemini on October 21, 2004 11:24 PMOld Granny, Sharon Katz, Sorry, I read your post TOO quickly... realize you said LA, not CA... and remember that you are in New Orleans... hope you are well and the real estate career is going fine... Posted by: Jo on October 21, 2004 11:29 PMThe two articles above, the one from Teri Wils-Allison, the mother of the soldier in Iraq and the article on the denial of the Republicans about Bush's record are such perfect bookends for this whole administration....the consequences and the denial. I have a friend who has been forwarding stuff from those on the right who dismiss all of this as liberal lies (he is doing a great service, too - I know it makes him angry to read the stuff, but he is a recently converted Repub himself and is getting his consciousness raised! Attaboy!)....boy, are the 'believers' going to need major doses of trancqs when this is over. Posted by: judi gemini on October 21, 2004 11:30 PMRe last night’s visualization: Lay down on the bed and went into meditation mode. Slowly. Slowly...finally I settled down. After getting all clear inside my head, these pictures emerged. Sort of the essense of Kerry(like a kind of an embodied light which was sort of in the shape of Kerry, almost like a flame) on a kind of platform about three feet off the floor. In front of this light-of-Kerry were John Edwards, slightly to the right of center, and Elizabeth Edwards who was standing behind John and to his right(in the picture I saw). They were in a sort of “wing” formation in front of Kerry, like pillars supporting, like the prow of a ship, breaking the waves. Like battering rams. Like the solid representatives. John and Elizabeth were very sharp and very clear, appearing just as they do. THK was over slightly to the left and she was not as clear, but a strong, supportive presence as well. A quiet energy, like I feel coming from her when I see her. I focused on that for some time, then went off in my mind and did something else. When I came back to this image(above) I opened my heart chakra and offered any assistance I could. Felt like a broad cord of energy going out from my body to the image. This morning I did a rune reading. Here’s what I drew. Sowelu. You who are the source of all power,
Nancy: I spent some time last night looking at all the photos of John Kerry’s hands that I have...trying to see if I could find ANYthing to give any clue as to whether he has the Virgo midheaven or the Libra one. I’m going to spend some more time tonight, and I’m going to try to post my comments, along with the pictures. Don't know that I'll come up with anything concrete, but it might be fun to look at, anyway. Sally: What happened in last night’s visualization, I think, was the first period I just focused on what came. The second time I asked how I could help. That’s when my heart opened up. I thought later about your posting of the Pluto period next year and how potentially difficult and dangerous it may be for Kerry. My thoughts were that I would help any way I could, do anything I could to help. I think we may all have to do that. :0) Posted by: old granny on October 21, 2004 11:30 PMBushfatigued: Re:are you anywhere near Eureka Springs, Ark ? That's in NW Ark. We are in NE Ark here. Eureka Springs is in the Fayetteville area. We are close to Memphis. Michael Moore actually did a presentation in Conway; that's about 2 1/12 hours from here. OG Posted by: old granny on October 21, 2004 11:35 PMOld Granny, As Pat C. would say... Your post made 'my heart smile'... light and blessings to you for such a beautiful image, such a powerful image... and for mentioning our opening our hearts... to what we can do... thank you... yours is a wise soul... 'see you tonight' Namaste Posted by: Jo on October 21, 2004 11:47 PMOld Granny, That was a most excellent vision, what a great share. The flame is your inner Self. See you all at 10pm. We are just about to exit Navaratri, the Goddess Festival. Kali Durga the warrior goddess is the deity we can call on in the last 3 days of the 9 day festival. Tomorrow is the last day when all fruits are most potent. It is the day that Kali-Durga the 6 armed tiger captain defeats Ravana, the Dark Lord =Ego =Ignorance in a battle. It is also a holiday of Dasseras where you bless the tools of your trade. I am sending out a 700 piece mailing to get work tomorrow. Calling all artists, a great day to honor your art tools. Posted by: bhakti on October 22, 2004 12:17 AMNancy and all - have a look at this: http://www.noeltyl.com/cgibin/index.cgi?read=59134 Maybe we're all wrong on birth times for Kerry and Edwards? Posted by: Laurie on October 22, 2004 12:40 AMWe'll have to wait and see what Captain Sally and the others say, Laurie, but whether it's 7:23 am EST or EDT, this would put Edwards' sun in the 12th house, I believe. Oh dear. Posted by: shylurker on October 22, 2004 01:09 AMWell, Laurie, Richard at your link refers to Las Vegas, NM and last time I checked it's in Nevada... he might have made an error... but why is Richard posting this on Tyl's website, and the Vedic astrologer not posting it...? Or, I can't find where she is posting it... Sally would know, though... Sat Siri Khalsa is at this link: http://www.vedic-astrology.net/refferals.htm and several others thru google... Posted by: Jo on October 22, 2004 01:20 AMDoes the Boston Red Sox winning the ALCS give some boost to the idea that 1) total confidence can be breached by the very determined... Now....Tony LaRussa and the Cardinals....he is a GREAT guy, Tony is...I hope he wins it....but I also was a fan of Jeff Kent's (Astro's) when he was an SF Giant....he is a terrific talent and cute, too...and I love the Sox story too....oh dear, oh dear, I'm so undecided....what to do???? At least there is ONE thing I get to be undecided about! Does the Boston Red Sox winning the ALCS give some boost to the idea that 1) total confidence can be breached by the very determined... And for some laughter: The sex lives of California's two hottest politicians took center stage this week, with Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger confessing that his wife cut him off for two weeks after his speech at the Republican convention and San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom's wife bragging to a New York audience about her husband's size -- and how she keeps him happy. First up, the Governator -- who even after nearly one year in office is proving that he is far from your typical scripted, overprepped American politician. In a Q&A with former White House Chief of Staff and ex-Rep. Leon Panetta in Monterey, the host asked Schwarzenegger how his famously Democratic wife, Maria Shriver, had reacted to his speech supporting President Bush at the Republican National Convention. "Well, there was no sex for 14 days,'' the governor told the thousand- person audience. "Everything comes with side effects.'' The crowd at the Panetta Institute laughed loudly, and so did Panetta. "I think we'll move right along,'' Panetta said. That wasn't the only glimpse the governor offered into his bipartisan marriage. "I don't even know why I should watch the presidential debates," he said at one point. "If I want to see a liberal Democrat -- a smart, liberal Democrat -- and a Republican leader argue, we just go out for dinner. "Fortunately for Bush and Kerry, they were lucky they only had to (debate) three times. I have to do it every morning when I get up.'' On Tuesday night next week, RFK Jr. will be in Tampa talking about FL and environmental issues, I am going to meet him and I am very excited about it. Also, Meg Ryan will be there. And on Saturday, the 23rd, Edwards will be in St. Pete and I have premium tickets because I'm a poll watcher . . . I feel so full of myself!! Life is very exciting to me now, I hope it stays that way . . . Posted by: Laurie on October 22, 2004 02:02 AMI was just doing my research of online psychic predictions, and one of them who predicted a Red Sox win, is also predicting a St. Louis Cardinals win over the Astros. He/she is also predicting a Kerry victory in Nov. The first prediction has already come true, so I hope the other 2 come to pass. Posted by: Crystal on October 22, 2004 02:11 AMHi Jo & all, We didn't know how well stocked our Kerry headquarters was, and we wanted to spread lawn signs around our neighborhood so we bought 25 + posts, then 50 more. (The news had a feature on the battle of the lawn signs tonight in one specific neighborhood - getting down to grass roots). Anyway...since Pallas 18 may be too busy, if anyone else has any ideas or would like us to ship them lawn signs, let me know, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE IN A BATTLEGROUND STATE OR IN AN UNDECIDED AREA. I'd prefer to ship them all to just one or a few places. White light and Blue light to all! Go Red Sox!!!! If they play the Astros, it would be MA against TX and the Sox winning will send the right message. Posted by: Sharon on October 22, 2004 02:18 AMHere's a rough draft version of the "Kerry Hands" page...in case you want a diversion. http://www.geocities.com/abakan1/khands.html :0) Posted by: old granny on October 22, 2004 02:49 AMFrom Salon:
Even if they don't like to say it out loud, lots of Democrats think that George Bush's supporters are a horde of ignoramuses. Now comes evidence that they're right! A remarkable new report, titled "The Separate Realities of Bush and Kerry Supporters," from PIPA, the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, suggests that rank and file Republicans are more benighted than even the most supercilious coastal elitist would imagine. Analyzing data from a series of nationwide polls, the report finds that a majority of Bush supporters believe things about the world that are objectively untrue, while the majority of Kerry supporters dwell in the reality-based community. For example, Bush backers largely think that the president and his policies are popular internationally. Seventy-five percent believe that Iraq was providing "substantial" aid to al-Qaida, and 63 percent say clear evidence of this has been found. That, of course, would be news even to Donald Rumsfeld, who earlier this month told the Council on Foreign Relations, "To my knowledge, I have not seen any strong, hard evidence that links the two." Though its language is dispassionate, the report lays responsibility for this epidemic of ignorance at the White House's door. "So why are Bush supporters clinging so tightly to these beliefs in the face of repeated disconfirmations?" it asks. "Apparently one key reason is that they continue to hear the Bush administration confirming these beliefs." Indeed, it says, "an overwhelming 82% [of Bush supporters] perceive the Bush administration as saying that Iraq had WMD (63%) or a major WMD program (19%). Only 16% of Bush supporters perceive the administration as saying that Iraq had some limited activities, but not an active program (15%) or had nothing (1%). The pattern on al Qaeda is similar. Seventy-five percent of Bush supporters think the Bush administration is currently saying Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda (56%) or even that it was directly involved in 9/11 (19%). Further, 55% of Bush supporters say it is their impression the Bush administration is currently saying the US has found clear evidence Saddam Hussein was working closely with al Qaeda (not saying clear evidence found: 37%)." These people aren't going to be swayed by the argument that Bush has alienated America's allies and left the country isolated in the world, because they don't believe this to be the case. "Despite a steady flow of official statements, public demonstrations, and public opinion polls showing that the US war against Iraq is quite unpopular, only 31% of Bush supporters recognize that the majority of people in the world oppose the US having gone to war with Iraq," the study says. Bush supporters also think that world public opinion favors Bush's reelection. In a poll taken from Sept. 3-7, the study says, "57% of Bush supporters assumed that the majority of people in the world would prefer to see Bush reelected, 33% assumed that views are evenly divided and only 9% assumed that Kerry would be preferred." In fact, a PIPA study released in early September found that a majority or plurality of people from 32 countries preferred Kerry to Bush. PIPA surveyed 34,330 people, ages 15 and above, from regions all over the world. A Pew poll released this spring similarly found that "large majorities in every country, except for the U.S., hold an unfavorable opinion of Bush." Bush supporters are also mistaken about the president's own positions (a pattern of misapprehension that an earlier PIPA report also documented). "Majorities incorrectly assumed that Bush supports multilateral approaches to various international issues -- the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (69%), the treaty banning land mines (72%); 51% incorrectly assumed he favors US participation in the Kyoto treaty -- the principal international accord on global warming ... Only 13% of supporters are aware that he opposes labor and environmental standards in trade agreements -- 74% incorrectly believe that he favors including labor and environmental standards in agreements on trade. In all these cases, there is a recurring theme: majorities of Bush supporters favor these positions, and they infer that Bush favors them as well." According to the report, this reality gap is something new in American life. "So why do Bush supporters show such a resistance to accepting dissonant information?" it asks. "While it is normal for people to show some resistance, the magnitude of the denial goes beyond the ordinary. Bush supporters have succeeded in suppressing awareness of the findings of a whole series of high-profile reports about prewar Iraq that have been blazoned across the headlines of newspapers and prompted extensive, high-profile and agonizing reflection. The fact that a large portion of Americans say they are unaware that the original reasons that the US took military action -- and for which Americans continue to die on a daily basis -- are not turning out to be valid, are probably not due to a simple failure to pay attention to the news." The analysis says that the roots of this denial could lie in the trauma of 9/11 and people's desire to hold on to their image of Bush as a "capable protector." It offers no guidance, though, on how ordinary Republicans might be coaxed back to reality. And while "The Separate Realities of Bush and Kerry Supporters" may be perversely satisfying to Democrats in its confirmation of blue-state prejudices, it carries a pretty disturbing question for all rational Americans: How can arguments based on fact prevail in a nation where so many people know so little? -- Michelle Goldberg Posted by: Nancy on October 22, 2004 02:56 AMWelcome back Dommael, Here is a good collection of facts on current fascism. http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm Posted by: Pat C on October 22, 2004 03:48 AMWell, I am now looking at this site as my only window to the outside world. My main frame computer was hosed today and this site and my laptop is my window to the world. Mike I need you to email me as soon as you receive this, I have a question for you. Thanks a million. Posted by: Sally on October 22, 2004 04:10 AMSorry about posting that Salon article that was already posted. I put it up and then went back to catch up on the thread. I tend to think a Virgo MC fits Kerry well, square Saturn, Sun, and Moon, and with the ruler, Mercury, square Neptune, sextile Venus, and quincunx Uranus. It makes sense that the MC has lots of action. I have never been comfortable with a Venus ruled Libra MC conjunct Neptune. That would fit someone with a more nebulous career path, and I don't see the Venus influence either. He seems more ambitious (Saturn and Sun) and very focused (Saturn) regarding career issues. Andhis reputation is one of someone very serious, straight, and ambitious. That also doesn't sound like Neptune /Libra to me. Granny - I would be very interested to see where your "hand" study leads. Posted by: Nancy on October 22, 2004 04:13 AMCrystal, your psychic is now 2 for 3, AND I AM HAPPY!!!!!! Old Granny, you are perhaps the greatest spirit onboard here---I humbly thank you for all of your pearls of wisdom. BLUE LIGHT OVER AMERICA!!!! GO ST LOUIE!!! TRUTH AND LOVE PEOPLE!!!!! Amen, Garry. Amen. Thank you Old Granny. The pictures of Kerry were wonderful, and your comments on his 'hands' was illuminating. I think our country would fare well in his 'hands'... please share more of your thoughts with us... we are hungry for positive vibes. A-world is the only place I can find that these days. Thank you Sally, for providing this haven for us. I am sorry for your mainframe problems... hope they are resolved quickly. Light to you and Old Granny --- and to all. Posted by: Jo on October 22, 2004 04:39 AMHey....there IS a Las Vegas, New Mexico....so don't change that to Nevada....I thought Edwards was from So. Carolina...or am I missing a step? Sharon Katz, Thanks so much for the offer....if you send the signs we'll put them to good use. We are out of lots of things people are asking for, Kerry Edwards Buttons, and bumper stickers - so if you have any of those also, please send them along..your offer is terrific and generous and much appreciated. You can send them to Kerry Edwards HQ Office, corner Jog & Atlantic, Delray Beach, Fl 33446. Well the election in Florida is getting rough. The republicans brought in people from outside the state this week because our early poll voting started. Today two of the Republican poll watchers refused to identify themselves as what they are and just said they were observers, until I got out of them that they were lying and who they were. One of them, tried to stop me from handing out "palm voting tickets" to those who wanted them, by telling me I was on County land and doing an illegal thing and he was going to have me arrested. I questioned him as to who he was , several questions, and he continued to try to obscure by being vicious, nasty and attempting to intimidate me. I also had him admit he was a lawyer. He did this in front of voters to create a scene and fear, and also said he was going to have me arrested if he ever heard me tell people again they could drop off their completed absentee I FOUND A COP, pointed him out, and told the cop how he had threatened me and harrassed me. Another fellow came over and told the cop how the same fellow was intimidating and harrassing Afro Americans inside the voting area. I found the Democratic Lawyer poll watcher inside and we both And the cop came out and asked if I was going to be there tomorrow - saying I was very pleasant. :) Another big hee hee hee. But in all seriousness, the Republicans who were sent in from out of state are there to harrass and intimidate. That's their plan of action. It didn't work with me, but I'm concerned about other volunteers who might not be able to stand up to such attacks. With Jupiter and Venus doing good things in my chart currently - I can practically do no wrong - but Mars is approaching an aspect that could give me some trouble on the 27th or 28th. BTW, I'll be at John Edwards' rally tomorrow (isn't he wonderful plus adorable? And the word around here is that Big Dawg - Bill Clinton - is coming here to speechify on the 26th. I've been promised a ticket as close to him as possible. I adore Big Dawg of course and am thrilled that he's coming to Florida. Although we all worry that this will be too much too soon for him after his operation, I also have the feeling that the adoration of the crowds will help him heal that much faster. More later. And please send some white light - I sure don't want to get arrested, and I suspect I've angered those nasty republican beasts who've been sent here. Astonishing how aggressive and rude they are. You bet there's going to be a fight over who wins the election.....and up to no good they are. Oh and by the way, here's the good news: It's looking good for Kerry - but there is nothing, nothing, I wouldn't put past the current sick crop of republicans. Pallas Judi, Thanks, I didn't realize there is a Las Vegas, NM! And while John Edwards was born in South Carolina, he lives in and represents North Carolina in US Senate... ---------- http://www.buzzflash.com/premiums/graphics/Econ_pcd_ft_full.jpg Posted by: Jo on October 22, 2004 05:16 AMSome of you may rememeber that I posted a note about attack mailers the local Republicans are running against my candidate. Well, it's totally backfiring on them. Local Republicans are pissed. I mean REALLY pissed. We've heard that the group that produced the mailers is being inundated with angry calls...FROM REPUBLICANS. Moreover, we found out that a poll shows that our race is dead even and that the final results may be within 200 votes. So direct some of that visualizing towards the central Michigan area. We need it. Go Red Sox!!! Posted by: Dave on October 22, 2004 05:19 AMDave, are you on electronic machines or paper ballot? Even with electronic machines, we are telling people to ask for the paper ballot. With your race that close, a paper ballot will at least give a record for recount. Good luck. Get out the vote. Have you hit the nursing homes to get their absentee ballots? My friends have done that for the last two days. Pallas18 Posted by: Pallas18 on October 22, 2004 05:27 AMDamn...I'm good....at 7pm PDT here in SF...I was using my pendulum to see what was going on with energy....I am really feeling the energy is awfully disturbed....I created a board years ago to be able to get messages...and it said that there was something brewing in Michigan....a big story....and it was something to do with Republicans...! Dave....you must have been sending out the message! I got that message almost 3 hours ago. Posted by: judi gemini on October 22, 2004 05:41 AMOld Granny....nice hand work (ok...almost said job)...really nice....one of the Big Dawg's best assests are HIS great hands....Kerry's aren't as strong in the same way....so here's the question....since there is also no firm birth time for Clinton that I have seen, what do his hands say about his ascendant?and Posted by: on October 22, 2004 05:46 AMPallas 18....you go girl...don't let these evil Rhenquist clones get you down....you know, of course, that this is vintage GOP/ Rhenquist...he perfected the method of voter intimidation at the polls in Arizona back in the 50's....the GOP sent him out from Ohio to AZ to protect the Repub vote from the Dem Hispanics and blacks.....he became pretty well known for setting up tables at the polls and demanding i.d.s, etc....total terror techniques. Posted by: judi gem on October 22, 2004 05:52 AMGo Dave!!!! Excellent news. Posted by: shylurker on October 22, 2004 05:59 AMi don't know if this has been posted here but it is so funny, i laughted so hard it made me cry, literally. its triumph the insult dog (from conan) interviewing politicians in spin alley after the first debate. it is just brutal. triumph the insult dog equals jon stewart in his forensic skills! do your self a favor, and laugh a bit: http://wahoobudd.blogs.com/spinalley.mov Posted by: mike on October 22, 2004 06:20 AMhttp://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?emx=x&pid=1926 Jonathan Schell on Bin Laden's illusions and ours
More... Posted by: Pat C on October 22, 2004 06:35 AMHere's a good giggle and worth a look: THe Banana Republican Catalog: http://www.jestmag.com/3-5/banana.html Posted by: Siobhan on October 22, 2004 06:49 AMFrom Kos: I did my part, and I don't even live in the States (none / 1) I'm in Vancouver, and have been hearing a lot on the news about Americans coming up here for flu shots - even flying into the airport, using the walk-in facility, and flying out. Cost: $30 (Cdn.). As it happened, I was getting my flu shot the other day at my local walk-in clinic, and was sitting next to a guy from California. He was in Seattle on business, had heard about this phenomenon, and had driven up. He was originally from Czechoslovakia, and had voted Republican since getting US citizenship. He was talking about how angered he was by the screw-up with the vaccines in the States, and about the whole disparity between drug prices between Canada and the US. He was leaning towards Kerry because of this. He started asking me about the Canadian system, and I started extolling its virtues. To my delight, an older woman nearby overheard us, and chimed in with her support. Bottom line - before he went in to get his shot, he said "I just don't think I can support Bush this year." I think the whole drug importation/flu shot thing might be very big for the Dems this year. Posted by: judi gemini on October 22, 2004 06:59 AMAnd while "The Separate Realities of Bush and Kerry Supporters" may be perversely satisfying to Democrats in its confirmation of blue-state prejudices, it carries a pretty disturbing question for all rational Americans: How can arguments based on fact prevail in a nation where so many people know so little? The human mind is amazing in its ability to rationalize; people don't want to think that what they believe is incorrect, so they end up mounting layer upon layers of fallacy to protect themselves from embarassment. Think of how shocking it will be to many of them one day when the light comes on, and they realize, "Hey, what I've believed all my life just isn't true." In the case of the Bushies, I think many of these folks are duped into thinking that Bush is going to give them a tax cut, and that ends up supporting the other fallacies they end up with. Of course, for some, the core issue is abortion or gay rights. So here comes this guy talking like a bubba, in real simple language; next thing you know, he's snookered just about everybody into thinking he's going to give them what they want, and nothing else matters. It doesn't seem to matter that what he wants to give them is not really in their best interests, or that they may end up getting the opposite of what they think they wanted. For example, if Bush really does succeed in restructuring the tax code, chances are, they're going to pay more in taxes, not less. Then there's talk radio, teaching people to viscerally disdain anyone with a D by their name. I don't know what the solution for this, either, other than to keep talking to them, if you can stand to (I admit that for me, that's hard to do, too hard, for most of us). The challenge is to find a way to connect with these folks on an emotional level, since that's where they're at. I suspect that all that blue and white light that we're sending will help bring some people to the light. It won't be easy, but that's what we hope for, and what we'll probably need if we want to build the force that will bring positive change. This board has been very positive today. I hope y'all don't mind these observations from eighth-grade psychology (or maybe third-grade, I don't know). Keep visualizing winning, and keep standing up for what is right, and we will win! The challenge is to find a way to connect with these folks on an emotional level, since that's where they're at. I suspect that all that blue and white light that we're sending will help bring some people to the light... judi gemini, it sounds like you are ahead of me. You have indeed connected. Sounds like this flu shot business is connecting, too. Posted by: Gina on October 22, 2004 07:12 AMGina...not quite sure what you mean by being ahead of you....I posted ahead of you!! but thanks....just to make it clear, I didn't write the Flu Vaccine post...it is from Daily Kos...(and my mom is canadian....they are smart people!) Mike...Triump the Insult Dog was great....must see tv.... Posted by: judi gemini on October 22, 2004 07:20 AMTop 35 Trends that say Kerry will Take the White House in November Dave, you go! Sending light to Michigan! They've been training college Repugs since Nixon days in dirty tricks! 'bout time for that karma to catch up with them... You're doing a great job. Let us hear from you, if you need more light or just to tell us what is going on... we're with you! Namaste Posted by: Jo on October 22, 2004 12:50 PMS Loved your link... the clothes were fabbbb-u-luzzz Gina, I never realized how long and how hard the Repugs have worked at their 'propaganda'... RR actually had a minister of propaganada, he was called Public Diplomacy or some such trite... Otto Reich. It will be a difficult job to undo this, to take back the media... but we can do it... the internet of course is already mitigating much of that... a lot of folks are getting their POV from the church or Pat Robertson... which is really sad. I think we have to gently give info to our friends and family about situations... events... It's strange... maybe some of our Black posters can help me out... but the Black community caught onto Colin Powell and Condi Rice long before us white folks... better antennae? I don't know... but Colin Powell was up to his neck in Iran Contra and managed to deny and lie his way out - so much so that in Feb 2003 he had more credibility than dubya! The appearance before the UN that month did it for Cynthia Tucker of AJC... but the approval rating for the invasion jumped because so many white Americans 'trust' Powell... pathetic isn't it. Old Granny, You have any ideas on what we can do to help Kerry now and after the inauguration? V V notes, Thursday night, Oct. 21: When I came to getting settled into my Kerry picture...the first thing that came was a long dark bank of clouds across the far horizon. I was scared at first, and then said “OK...whatever comes. I’ll go with whatever comes.” The clouds just sat there, unmoving, but a dark presence. It was like I was looking down from a higher vantage point across this scene. John Kerry was standing on a low stage, facing out diagonally to the clouds to the right. He was very focused on the process of creating something, rehearsing a speech, or going through the steps for something, using his hands to make the words in his mind. He had a light...white or very light blue...shirt on and the sleeves were rolled up. And he was standing in a beam of light coming down in an angle from the sky to the left. All alone, but totally unconcerned of this, or even unaware of it. That was the only image I saw. Then spent the rest of the period working on manifesting what I wanted locally working first close and then farther out. ______________
Thanks so much for sharing your Florida voting experience. The picture came in very clear. I think you are exactly where you need to be...and THANK YOU for being there!!! Comes to mind an affirmation from "Creating Money" by Sanaya Roman and Duane Packer: I am always in the right place at the right time, ________________ Maybe somebody else will have some night pictures to share? Posted by: old granny on October 22, 2004 01:18 PMat: Re Clinton: {what do his hands say about his ascendant?} Bill has that Taurus Moon, you know. He has those two luminaries in fixed signs... But his hands are very airy. I very much equate Clinton's hands and Kerry's hands. I'll try to see if I can find my pic of Clinton, or get another one. He's a Leo, that alone is very strong...but I don't see Clinton's hands as being "stronger" than Kerry's. I don't think you can look at it that way. Again, I'll try to find my picture. :0) Posted by: old granny on October 22, 2004 01:26 PMOld Granny, Thanks for sharing your vision --- dark clouds are scary, but of course they are there... Kerry in the beam of light is wonderful... we must all continue sending the light... Siobhan, Please forgive me for referring to you as "S" above, I was waiting for my coffee to brew! Yours is such a lovely name! To all -- Juan Cole has a piece this morning about young people and voting http://www.juancole.com/2004_10_01_juancole_archive.html#109841783717336801 Light to all Posted by: Jo on October 22, 2004 01:57 PMa Neocon Psalm Bush is my shepherd, I shall be in want. He maketh me to lie down on park benches, He leadeth me beside the still factories. He restoreth my doubts about the Republican Party. He leadeth me into the paths of unemployment for his cronies' sake. Yea, though no weapons of mass destruction have been found, he maketh me continue to fear Evil. His tax cuts for the rich and his deficit spending discomfort me. He anointeth me with never-ending debt: Verily my days of savings and assets are kaput. Surely poverty and hard living shall follow me all the days of his administration, And my jobless child shall dwell in my basement forever. And now, let's get out the vote and keep sending blue and white light AND TRUTH BABY!!! When I visualize I see Kerry dressed in mail witht the sword of truth held in both hands in front of his face. I see Edwards with a lantern shedding light. Posted by: Lorraine on October 22, 2004 03:17 PMFor those of you who have trouble doing the visualization for blue spreading over America and thus, a Kerry victory, here's a short animation to help. I intend to watch it daily. It's called "Visualize Winning" http://www.clowntech.com/win04/vote.htm piegrrrl, that is GREAT!!! Passing it on! Posted by: Pat C on October 22, 2004 04:02 PMNancy, in rectifying John Kerry's birthchart, here's my 2 cents for what it's worth - I find him to have a very strong Saturnine appearance(especially his face), very much like Abraham Lincoln, even though his initials are the same as JFK, and he himself aligns himself more with that particular President, I find him more Lincolnesque in appearance, which leads me to believe that either the planet Saturn, or the signs Capricorn/Aquarius has a strong influence on his ascendant. Hope he doesn't suffer the same fate as Lincoln though. You can also see how the natal horoscopes of both presidential candidates define their differences in the way they think and view the world. Kerry, the consummate diplomat, is a man of peace, embraces foreign countries and cultures, and views the world in global terms in which global cooperation is an important factor. This comes from the strong Jupiter/Sag. influence in his chart, which also bestows his qualities of sportsmanship. Bush, on the other hand,personifies the true "politician" -slick, and with the ability to twist words and interpret actions to suit the occasion, and advance his political ideologies. He is a man of war and views the world only through an American lens. Garry, that was truly funny. Haha. I'll be working to help the Democratic cause in the home stretch this week in my neck of the words, canvassing, and at the polls. I voted by absentee ballot in Florida a few days ago. Posted by: Crystal on October 22, 2004 04:11 PMGary, loved the poem - have passed it along! Clinton's hands.............Libran.......beautifully shaped......... This was posted on Salon. Very interesting, and well thought out... "I was in LaGuardia airport yesterday (October 21). The bookstore had a large stack of O'Neill & Corsi's Unfit for Command out in front, right next to an equally-large stack of Jon Stewart's America ... It struck me as a juxtaposition that says a lot about this election, and the characters of the two sides. The dour, almost apocalyptic, O'Neill & Corsi book next to the friendly, humorous Stewart book probably helps Kerry in the end, I think. A month ago, I put a thorough and carefully-researched review of O'Neill & Corsi up on the internet. It shows in detail how the first part book, "John Kerry in Vietnam," is a sham, using, in part, Navy documentation that is not available anywhere else. Essay begins here: Essay: Truth and Unfit for Command: A Review Documentation: John Kerry's Vietnam medals Despite my best efforts to get the attention of major bloggers or the someone in the press, the site has gotten little interest. This thread is intended to discuss all things Swift Boatian, since it seems clear that [1] voters in swing states will be seeing more of their ads in the next 10 days and [2] if Kerry wins, these bogus questions about his military service will have to be answered, firmly, so he can lead the military effectively." Posted by: Pat C on October 22, 2004 04:24 PMRE: F911 - this from Marc Perkel: Please pass this around. Here's the audio track for Fahrenheit 9-11. http://bulk2.ctyme.com/f911.mp3 Please post this link on your sites so that more people can hear it. I also have the video as well. The video is in AVI format. Its 650 megs where the audio is only 14 megs. A lot more people will be able to get the audio than the video. And the audio is very good without the video. The video is at: http://marc.perkel.com/archives/000468.html This election as you know is important. This might help make the difference. I bought 100mb connection for the next 2 weeks. Let's burn that bandwith up! Posted by: Pat C on October 22, 2004 04:32 PMhttp://www.november2.org/home.html Posted by: Pat C on October 22, 2004 04:50 PManother test Posted by: Carol on October 22, 2004 05:22 PMJust got this from my daughter, haven't got a url: ALERT!!! This Dirty Trick is being discussed on the blogs, Atrios for one. At various places across the country, the NAME of a candidate has been left off the printed ballot... sometimes an insignificant candidate (well, not to him!) for a third party... the candidate will of course contest the ballot, which will be thrown out and with it, a vote for Kerry! Sooooooooo, check the ballots in your area and make sure they are absolutely correct... These Repugs actually went to Dirty Tricks School to think of all the nasty things they can do! Light to all Posted by: Jo on October 22, 2004 05:36 PMAbout the comment I made on Clinton's hands compared to Kerry's...don't forget, I am an artist...I do see them in a different way....he has beautiful, classically shaped hands....Kerry's do not have that beauty....I used the wrong word, strong instead of beautiful....Kerry's hands are more aristocratic to my eye. Different catagory! great V V's going on.... Posted by: judi gemini on October 22, 2004 05:46 PMKrugman is writing about Greg Palast's Florida story... VOTING AND COUNTING October 22, 2004 - If the election were held today and the votes were counted fairly, Senator John Kerry would probably win. But the votes won't be counted fairly, and the disenfranchisement of minority voters may determine the outcome. ... Last week I described Greg Palast's work on the 2000 election, reported recently in Harper's, which conclusively shows that Florida was thrown to Mr. Bush by a combination of factors that disenfranchised black voters. These included a defective felon list, which wrongly struck thousands of people from the voter rolls, and defective voting machines, which disproportionately failed to record votes in poor, black districts. One might have expected Florida's government to fix these problems during the intervening four years. But most of those wrongly denied voting rights in 2000 still haven't had those rights restored - and the replacement of punch-card machines has created new problems. After the 2000 debacle, a task force appointed by Gov. Jeb Bush recommended that the state adopt a robust voting technology that would greatly reduce the number of spoiled ballots and provide a paper trail for recounts: paper ballots read by optical scanners that alert voters to problems. This system is in use in some affluent, mainly white Florida counties. But Governor Bush ignored this recommendation, just as he ignored state officials who urged him to "pull the plug" on a new felon list - which was quickly discredited once a judge forced the state to make it public - just days before he ordered the list put into effect. Instead, much of the state will vote using touch-screen machines that are unreliable and subject to hacking, and leave no paper trail. Mr. Palast estimates that this will disenfranchise 27,000 voters - disproportionately poor and black. A lot can change in 11 days, and Mr. Bush may yet win convincingly. But we must not repeat the mistake of 2000 by refusing to acknowledge the possibility that a narrow Bush win, especially if it depends on Florida, rests on the systematic disenfranchisement of minority voters. And the media must not treat such a suspect win as a validation of skewed reporting that has consistently overstated Mr. Bush's popular support. http://www.winbackrespect.org/ads/
Here is a report from my friend in Arizona...I sent her Pallas' report from Florida... I'm going to be working with the Democrats at the polls to clear up problems like this, too. I take my remaining training this coming Monday night. Very interesting article regarding US stance towards Iran over at http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FJ23Ak04.html snip-- wow, it's getting harder and harder to catch up! Would it be a good thing if the voting for the nation wide offices....President and Vice President....were held separately and all of the voting done only by mail in the first week in November. Have special USPS drop boxes inside banks and at the post offices only for voting and only available for that week once every four years. Would that remove all the problems. I'm dead sure it would be cheaper. Posted by: on October 22, 2004 10:34 PMBreaking News in from dKos!... and you ain't gonna believe this one! ------------------ The Body Endorses The Real Deal Endorsements by individual politicians may not matter a whole lot in most cases -- I mean, look at all the good that Gore endorsement did for Dean. Most pols don't have a fervent personal following who will seriously change their minds about a race because of their leader's endorsement. In short, a pol's endorsement is often just another vote, not much different from yours or mine. Jesse Ventura, on the other hand, isn't "most pols." He's a unique phenomenon, the anti-politician even after serving four years as Governor of Minnesota. Right or wrong, he brought a fiercely independent spirit to the political arena, and he attracted support from a constituency that often sits out electoral politics. Unlike Ahnold, he isn't a party hack, and he never compromised his independent voice. As a result, he still retains the allure, for some Minnesotans, of the last honest man in politics. For that reason, Ventura is one of the very few pols whose endorsement might really count for something -- he may bring a class of voter who otherwise would sit this one out to the polls. And today he endorsed John Kerry. Not only might this motivate some non-voters to pull the lever for Kerry, but it may influence some white males otherwise likely to vote for Bush to really think twice about Kerry. We'll have to see what he says in the days ahead. In any event, I'm feeling a little better about Minnesota right now. Very disturbing Yahoo news article that asks the question whether the Associated Press could rig the election. http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/041022/phf016_1.html?printer=1 (Sounds silly, but read the article). Just today, I have read almost a dozen separate pieces in counties, precincts and states across the U.S. that there are widespread voting problems even this early. (The reports from Albuquerque were very ominous.) Then, on What Really Happened, the blogger mentions that what if all these 'reported' problems are like a magician's ploy to distract the audience, taking their focus away from what's really happening to make the 'trick' happen. I've been wary of this for the past four years, but all this is beyond belief. Could all this be happening so that the elections have to be 'postponed' due to so many voting irregularities as to prevent certifiable results? Posted by: Susan on October 22, 2004 11:33 PMOK, Pallas 18. We shipped the lawn signs to Delray Beach Kerry Headquarters at 15128 Jog Road, Suite A (I called to get the exact address). The package will arrive by Wednesday (3-day ground was expensive - about 90 bucks). I wrote in magic marker on the outside of the box that it contains lawn signs (wire frames + plastic signs that cover the top). Could you please tell HQ to be on the lookout for it. Even more importantly, these should be distributed door-to-door as time is so short! I am sure you would think of that, but I hate to see the package of 40 or so signs & frames sitting in the corner somewhere at Kerry-Edwards HQ when they could be out there doing some good on someone's lawn in the last 6 days before the election. A little late but they may do some good in the beautiful BLUE State of Florida!!!! Think ocean, not oranges. Sharon Posted by: Sharon on October 23, 2004 12:20 AMThank you Sharon for getting those signs to Florida, and thank you Pallas for all the work that you are doing! This is interesting, but the author uses the same precedent as Eric Frances, not taking into consideration the early voting: http://blogs.salon.com/0003573/stories/2004/10/22/whoWillWinThe2004ElectionPart1DixvilleNotch.html Posted by: Laurie on October 23, 2004 12:24 AMhttp://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20041020/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_day_after_strategy By RON FOURNIER, AP Political Writer WASHINGTON - Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites), bracing for a potential fight over election results, will not hesitate to declare victory Nov. 2 and defend it, advisers say. He also will be prepared to name a national security team before knowing whether he's secured the presidency. Six so-called "SWAT teams" of lawyers and political operatives will be situated around the country with fueled-up jets awaiting Kerry's orders to speed to a battleground state. The teams have been told to be ready to fly on the evening of the election to begin mounting legal and political fights. Every battleground state will have a SWAT team within an hour of its borders. The Kerry campaign has recount office space in every battleground state, with plans so detailed they include the number of staplers and coffee machines needed to mount legal challenges. "Right now, we have 10,000 lawyers out in the battleground states on Election Day, and that number is growing by the day," said Michael Whouley, a Kerry confidant who is running election operations at the Democratic National Committee (news - web sites).
Looks like we've nominated a fighter this time. From the Times-Record, Fort Smith Arkansas- • Arkansas Lawyers for Bush-Cheney ’04 started this summer to assemble a team of about 150 volunteer lawyers. • Astounding all reason, a group run by the Democratic Party of Arkansas has gathered nearly TWICE that, 275 lawyers and law students. (That’s right. Just in Arkansas.) • Nationwide, the Kerry campaign has more than 10,000 lawyers ready to spring to the candidate’s legal defense. • Republicans wouldn’t provide a specific number to our reporter Wednesday, but published reports say they will have attorneys ready in 30,000 precincts. Thirty thousand! Posted by: Pat C on October 23, 2004 12:52 AMSome great chuckles here.
The American Conservative | Kerry's the One Hello again, Sally and Astroworld friends! I posted the "Dixville Notch" chart analysis mentioned above in my blog column today. I have also extensively commented about JFK's and GWB's charts relative to the election transits and their progressions in 6 articles posted over the past several months in the Aquarius Papers. I'll be posting more and more information over the next 80 hours, and the call should be obvious. For those of you who want other election indicators, go to my political blog, Political Physics. You won't be disappointed. Posted by: Robert on October 23, 2004 01:23 AMThis a very scary development. Israel has it's eyes on Iran. October? Posted by: Pat C on October 23, 2004 01:32 AMYea, verily... the beauteous sunny brilliant Leo President William Jefferson Clinton has a Libran ascendant... ergo! the beautiful hands... imo. ;O) Posted by: JoannaOregon on October 23, 2004 02:03 AMHi Sharon, and to all, We had a day and a half notice that Edwards was going to speak here and it was our job to get tickets out to people and get people to come. The local campaign managers were worried the hall IT WAS PACKED. The bleachers front and back were filled, all the folding chairs taken, and we had to find more. The energies as we approach the weekend are heightened and tense around here. Edwards spoke today, Hillary is coming tomorrow, and Kerry will be here Sunday, and people are coming in looking for tickets for Kerry's speech. A man who contributed 25,000 to Kerry's campaign flew in from Oregon to our Kerry campaign office yesterday and is doing menial work, another couple came in from Boston and will be helping tomorrow, and going to Kerry's speech, others came in from New York . I mean these people are flying in and doing simple things like putting bags of campaign literature and signs together .....Can you imagine! The election of our lifetime. Definitely. Sharon, don't worry. Those wires (which I didn't expect but are sorely needed) and signs will be put to excellent use! They wont sit in a corner, and the girls at the front desk all know me. I'll One day, Astroworld's posters all need to get together for a celebration party.
Pallas, Can't tell you how much your updates and info on Florida mean to us... thank you for taking time away from your tasks to fill us in... it is a huge comfort to know that so many are rushing to man the posts... bless you for all your hours... many of us are working and have been working for some time... and we still have lots more to do. Sharon K., What a great team Kerry supporters make! Old Granny I'll be with you shortly... Light to all and special light to John and Teresa and to John and Elizabeth and all those who keep them safe... Sally, Light to all... Posted by: Jo on October 23, 2004 02:27 AMWife of Soldier Convicted for Abu Ghraib Speaks Out Pat C., Re your link above on Abu Ghraib, I finally got a response from SC Sen Lindsy O. Graham to my letter written months back (August, I believe) with regard to the women and children still being detained. I haven't shared it yet because I am so disappointed. Some of us actually thought we could count on Graham to pursue this, as he is a Lt. Col in the Nat'l Guard. After the usual thank you, etc. he says this: "According to reports, there have been some teenagers detained at Abu Ghraib, who were suspected of criminal activity. While I sincerely recognize your concerns and believe we need to be very careful about how we approach detention issues at Abu Ghraib, I also understand that there is a need to detain individuals who are a threat to American troops and freedom-loving Iraqis. Please be assured that I will continue to monitor Abu Ghraib to ensure that detainees are treated humanely and in accordance with international law." So much for my hope that there would be an investigation of this matter... Hopefully after Nov. 3rd the numbers in Congress will be in our favor and some of these matters can be addressed. Freepers say Sinclair protest worked. dKos has a diary with quotes from Freerepublic and they are not happy campers. They complain that it was more like an ad for Kerry... softball... and that they dragged the pResident's guard record into it... http://dailykos.com/story/2004/10/22/21187/159 WAY TO GO PEOPLE!!!!!! Posted by: Jo on October 23, 2004 03:31 AMYou know Jo, I wonder if he is one of those pictures on the wall that the neocons call "Dinos". The Dinos all have a price on their head, and are openly scheduled for extintion. The neos have only disdain for normal Republicans, and I truly wonder what it would be like to be in their shoes. I think Graham is afraid, as the rest of them are. You can't expect too much from him while the neocons have the majority. If it remains this way, gawd only knows what comes next for any of us. Keep writing to him, and have very tiny expectations. I doubt that you will get any more than that for some time to come. Hang in there, and light to you for your valiant efforts. Posted by: Pat C on October 23, 2004 03:45 AMRobert - Do you have a link for your site? I don't think this was posted above. John Dean also thinks we will have post election chaos. http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20041022.html/ Posted by: Nancy on October 23, 2004 03:57 AMFellow Astrologers, Do you know that both Kerry and Edwards have their The eclipse on Wednesday at 5 Taurus hits them both - now that's a lot of liking. for John Edwards his Venus in the 4th house of hopes, goals, and wishes, and groups speaks very very well...with Venus ruling Edwards' fifth house, a gamble he has taken is paying off. However at the same time that there will be good financial news for both of them, there will be not so good financial news too with both the Moon's South Node and North Node square Venus. Now that we know John Kerry's time is questionable I wont give a delineation of the house matters being affected by the eclipse on his Venus at 3 Scorpio other than to say, as above, there's a lot of liking going on while In a campaign coming down to the wire, there's nothing unusual about the occurrence of financial roller coasters . The important thing is that the flood gates of good feeling about Kerry and Edwards open on October 27, five days before the election. Posted by: Pallas18 on October 23, 2004 03:57 AMPat C., Thanks for your perspective. Your comment about the dinos could be right on... even Pat Buchanan is saying there is going to be a huge fight for the 'soul' of the Repub party... the Neocons know they have opposition within their own camp... So, I will heed your good advice and not be too hard on Graham... and yes, I will continue to write him. Posted by: Jo on October 23, 2004 03:59 AMThanks Jo. We're all overtired - but this is the end stretch. Next two days I'll be working for the campaign from 8:30 to 5 and then although I want to rest and spend a day in bed :) , the house needs cleaning and straightening, Big time. :) Tuesday, Clinton is supposed to be here - and you know if I can get in, I'll be there. The word has already leaked out, and the HQ is being inundated with requests for tickets already.
Oh christmas. From the Palm Beach Post That wasn't "women swooned" - ROFL. That was me, the volunteer usher, being trampled by the crowd moving toward him....they literally knocked me off balance and I almost fell down, catching myself at the knees. Newspapers! All the news that's untrue to print. :) By Thomas R. Collins Nader backers arrested during Edwards speech in Tamarac BOYNTON BEACH — Vice presidential candidate John Edwards, flashing his pearly-whites, glad-handed and Bush-bashed his way through a Boynton Beach campaign stop late this morning, speaking to about 750 adoring supporters at the Ezell Hester Jr. Community Center. Edwards stood at a podium in a gym and walked around a platform made to look like a boxing ring with the words "Fighting For Us" written on it. But it was more like a back-alley fistfight than a pro-boxing bout — the gloves were off. At the start, he described his favorite moment of the presidential debates, from the second one, a town-hall-style duel in St. Louis. "George Bush himself asked an important question in that debate," Edwards said. "The question was: 'Is my time up yet?' " When the ensuing raucous cheers died down, Edwards said, "Yes, George Bush, your time is up." Edwards went on to promise that presidential candidate John Kerry would reduce health-care costs, would not "outsource" the country's security, would invest in innovative energy sources to reduce the reliance on Middle East oil, and would give support troops in overseas battle and keep the country safe. He accused Republicans of campaigning on fear and warned already worried Florida voters to be wary of attempts to keep people from the polls. One new ad in particular drew Edwards' wrath. The commercial shows a dense forest and wolves resting on a hill. The animals stir and move forward, and an announcer says: "Weakness attracts those who are waiting to do America harm." Speaking at a rally in this battleground state, Edwards said, "They have stooped so low now that they are using a pack of wolves running around a forest trying to scare you and trying to scare the American people." "The president is continuing to try to scare America in his speeches and ads in a despicable and contemptible way. The American people are smarter than they think. They are going to see through all this," Edwards said. When Edwards shook hands afterward, women swooned. Then he left the gym, the song "Johnny Be Good" blaring in the background. The stop was the first of five planned today and Saturday. He goes next to Tamarac, then Jacksonville. On Saturday, he will campaign in Orlando and St. Petersburg, while President Bush stumps in St. Petersburg, Lakeland, Melbourne and Jacksonville. Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry will be at Florida Atlantic University in Boca Raton on Sunday. Jo, you know I could be all wrong. :-/ Posted by: Pat C on October 23, 2004 04:19 AMWONDERFUL page!!! http://homepage.mac.com/duffyb/nobush/iMovieTheater233.html Posted by: Pat C on October 23, 2004 04:26 AMThe O'Reilly Factor for Lesbians nd guys, if you exploit a girl, it will come back to get you. That's called 'karma.' "
More... Posted by: Pat C on October 23, 2004 04:33 AMhttp://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~harwood/coment.html#Latest Thursday October 28th 2004. TOTAL LUNAR ECLIPSE 5 DEGREES TAURUS. The second total lunar eclipse of 2004 is visible from the Americas, Europe, most of Africa, and western Asia on the night of October 27/28. Canada and the continental US will see all of totality (weather permitting), but Hawaii will experience only a partial eclipse, as the Moon rises after totality has ended. At 9:14 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time on the 27th the Earth's umbra touches the left side of the Moon. The dark notch grows until it covers the entire lunar surface at 10:23 p.m. Since the envelope of air surrounding our planet bends some of the Sun's light into the Earth's shadow, the Moon will probably remain visible during totality. If our atmosphere is relatively clear, the Moon will be bathed in the reddish glow from sunrises and sunsets around the world. But if the air is thick with clouds, the Moon may look dull grey and dim. Totality ends at 11:45 p.m., and the Moon departs the Earth's umbra at 12:54 a.m. Venus enters Libra joining Mars and Jupiter in that sign.. Saros series 136 started on April 13th 1680. The chart set for the central eclipse moment of this first eclipse is shown above. The series lasts for 1280 years, ending in 2960. The series went Total in 1950, today's eclipse is the 4th Total Eclipse in the series and it is the 19th of the 72 eclipses in the series. The Saros peaks in 2293 AD.
Venus enters Libra 00-39 GMT. A 'mystic pentagram' forms in the skies today involving the Moon, Saturn, Jupiter, Pluto and Uranus. This brief and tight planetary picture peaks around 03-00 GMT. The slow Moon is void in Taurus at 17-38. Posted by: Pat C on October 23, 2004 04:50 AMEarly voting running very strong for Kerry in FLORIDA http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55598-2004Oct22.html In Florida, a sampling of eight counties showed a consistent pattern of Democrats turning out to cast early ballots in greater proportion than their share of registered voters, while Republicans were going to the early voting sites at or below what their registration percentages would suggest. In Seminole County, for example, Democrats make up 31.7 percent of the registered voters but 40 percent of the early voters. The same was true in Republican-leaning Brevard County, where Fred Galey, supervisor of elections, said that he had no specific figures but that "many more Democrats" are casting ballots than Republicans. In Osceola County, a Democratic bastion, Democrats are turning out for early voting in higher percentages than their share of registered voters, while Republicans are below their registration levels. The same was true in Hillsborough, the highly populated county where Tampa is located. More... Posted by: Pat C on October 23, 2004 05:28 AMFreepers, freepers, Freepers, freepers, (Sorry, true patriots, I don't know what got over me. 'Course I was staggered to see that Ouida May is now wearing fish-net stockings. Perhaps Mike can explain.) Posted by: shylurker on October 23, 2004 07:11 AMShylurker, the socks, were they red? Posted by: Shade on October 23, 2004 11:57 AMSeems Porter Goss at the CIA helm will do for Geo. W. Bush, exactly what G.H.W.Bush did for Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard M. Nixon and Ronald Reagan --- cover up! He's off to a good start... http://dailykos.com/story/2004/10/23/23749/994 Posted by: Jo on October 23, 2004 01:08 PMGlobal Eye Now we come at last to the heart of darkness. Now we know, from their own words, that the Bush Regime is a cult -- a cult whose god is Power, whose adherents believe that they alone control reality, that indeed they create the world anew with each act of their iron will. And the goal of this will -- undergirded by the cult's supreme virtues of war, fury and blind faith -- is likewise openly declared: "Empire." You think this is an exaggeration? Then heed the words of the White House itself: a "senior adviser" to the president, who, as The New York Times reports, explained the cult to author Ron Suskind in the heady pre-war days of 2002. First, the top Bush insider mocked the journalist and all those "in what we call the reality-based community," i.e., people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." Suskind's attempt to defend the principles of reason and enlightenment cut no ice with the Bush-man. "That's not the way the world really works anymore. We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality," he said. "And while you're studying that reality, we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do." http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2004/10/22/120.html Posted by: Bushfatigued on October 23, 2004 01:20 PMMigration to Canada begun? 800 troops fail to report http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/news/politics/9990136.htm Posted by: Jo on October 23, 2004 01:22 PMJO, Shade, No. Last week she was wearing red socks. This week, fishnet stockings. My, my. Posted by: shylurker on October 23, 2004 03:08 PMPallas 18, I'm so glad about the signs and thrilled that you are working so hard to help Kerry win!!!! I'll bet you're having fun, too (even though you're tired) as it's thrilling to have so many good people working together in the good fight. Most of all, I feel very good that you're back here posting again as I missed ya, sister. My husband had this wild idea that we should go to Pensacola next weekend and work for Kerry. The other choice is to make calls from home and continue working in NOLA, even though Bush has a definitive poll lead. I guess I can also sign up to poll watch as Pallas is doing (although I don't know where to sign up as of yet). Anyone have any thoughts? Sharon Posted by: Sharon on October 23, 2004 05:26 PMEverybody on this site is rockin'! I think DINO is "Democrat is name only" (as in Zell) and Rino--or Rhino--is "Republican in name only" (as in someone who puts his country and his soul above his party). Posted by: Barbara on October 23, 2004 06:44 PMBarbara, you're correct! It is Rino. My brain is so darn tired. Sorry Jo! The hunted Republicans are Rinos, and they are an endangered species. Posted by: Pat C on October 23, 2004 06:48 PMSally absolutely loved the Election Quest blogad! Thanks for adding this feature to your website! These will provide many hours of entertainment and stress reduction. REALLY who could resist Bill Clinton as a Satyr? Posted by: Morgana on October 23, 2004 06:58 PMThis is one of the posts of the week on Salon: White House - section If the worst happens: What if the election is (re)stolen? - thread Jo Ann Simon - 05:37 pm Pacific Time - Oct 19, 2004 - #135 of 194
The only way we can fight back against this media dominance by corporations is to elect John Kerry and send the puppet Bush back to the bush-whacked country in Texas he loves. Of course, the mainstream media ignored us, but that scene you see in "Farenheit 9/11," where anti-Bush protesters were five or six deep lining Bush's route up Pennsylvania Avenue, were absolutely accurate. I was there. I saw it. And that same film showed briefly on local DC News. Bush was so terrified at the opposition crowds facing him on both sides that his limo stopped dead for several minutes, while the Secret Service consulted with parade police, then suddenly the presidential limo took off at a sufficient speed that the Secret Service couldn't keep up and were left running on foot well behind the presidential limos. No one could see Bush or his party through the darkened limo windows, but if I've ever seen a coward tuck tail and run, it was during Bush's procession to the White House which he was illegally occupying. The crowds out there were reminding him of that, and he couldn't deal with that. Since his inauguration he's been protected by a bubble so that he never has to confront those Americans who don't agree with him. Posted by: Pat C on October 23, 2004 07:15 PMBy the way, Pallas (or anyone else who knows the answer), when you speak about voting by paper ballot in Florida, do you mean absentee ballot? Or is there another way to ask for a paper ballot? I have one friend in FL (and hopefully there are more - I've lived there almost 30 years) who has asked me how to vote by paper ballot. If you were referring to an absentee ballot, is it too late to go that route? Regarding Pat's post just above, I don't think Jo Ann Simon will feel so alone this time. I hope & pray (and send white light) that, should there be any reason to protest, people will be discipined enough to protest peacefully. Hopefully there will be no reason to protest and we all will be gleefully, bluefully, celebrating a new direction for the U.S.!!! :-) :-) :-) Thanks, Amen, Sharon. You have a friend in New Orleans. I just got an idea. Do y'all remember that post from Salon.com, about the survey by PIPA, the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland? You know, the one entitled "The Separate Realities of Bush and Kerry Supporters," the one that said that most Bush supporters believe (incorrectly) that Bush supports the Kyoto Treaty. Does anybody on this board know if they have put these questions in the form a true-false quiz--or would consider doing so-- one with an explanation of the correct answers? I would think that a true-false quiz on this stuff would be a tremendous service, and maybe some of those Bush supporters who are still using a little more upstairs than their amygdalas might learn something! Hmm, maybe I'll do a Google search, and see what I find out... Posted by: Gina on October 23, 2004 08:33 PMRe: Bush hitting the campaign trail hard. He certainly looks like he's been hitting it hard, all right. People are commenting on Bush's looks at the DU. They're posting photos, and he looks terrible. His face is contorted, his mouth is a gaping hole as he's screaming his "speech", and his greying hair looks like a Brillo Pad. Yecch. And covered with sweat, to boot. He looks like he's been dragged behind a truck for about a mile. There's a photo of him on Yahoo News, and he's never looked worse. They're all taking bets on which medication he's on, or if it's just Ole Jack (Daniels) Heh heh (evil snicker). Re: John Kerry's birth time: there is a Hindu website where you can check for accurate birth times. I tested it with mine. My birth time was 6:30 am. I tried 2:00 pm, and it said "Unlikely choice of time, because this period does not favor female births". When I tried 6:30 am, it gave a positive response. It might be one way of checking his birth time. I believe it's called "Astro Expert". Posted by: Cliss on October 23, 2004 09:10 PMSharon, re paper ballots in Florida--if you live in a county with touch-screen voting machines, then an absentee ballot is the only way to go paper. You can go to your county's Supervisor of Elections office and complete it right there and turn it in. If you have one mailed to you, then you have to request it in time for it to reach you and be returned before 7PM Nov. 2. If you live in a county with optical scanning voting machines (the Eagle) you do have a paper trail. You can go in a vote now if you wish, or if you are out of town you still can request an absentee ballot if you hurry. Posted by: Barbara on October 23, 2004 09:46 PMcorrection of above--since Florida has early voting, if you go in to get an absentee ballot they may insist you vote on the touch-screen machine instead. Probably better to call and request an absentee ballot be sent to you, Again, hurry, Posted by: Barbara on October 23, 2004 09:51 PMWe have paper ballots here in Michigan. Apparently, the Michigan Republican party sent out a mailer to the districts which have "targeted" house races and the mailer accuses these Democrats of helping the terrorists. Yesterday the head of the Republican Party in Sanilac County resigned in protest and is endorsing the Democratic ticket. The moral of the story is that if you wait around long enough, the Republicans will eventually cannibalize their own. Here it is in living color. While you all are sending light to central Michigan, please also send us some sunshine! Posted by: Dave on October 23, 2004 10:34 PMThanks a lot, Barbara. I passed the info on. I just read on DU that 1 in 5 people are voting early by absentee ballot. That sounds too high but that's what the article said. Gina, do you live in New Orleans? Posted by: Sharon on October 23, 2004 11:02 PMHere's my little tiny addition: More Kerry photos, and an analysis http://www.geocities.com/abakan1/khands.html (and the MC winner is....) Nancy: I still hear the words you wrote at the end of the first Kerry piece of yours I read...something along the lines of..."and he's come to slay the dragon." Kind of in line with the cards shown on the first page of this site! Happy politicking all! Afraid I can't do much better with the weather...it's been raining here today, but looks like...maybe...we will have a respite. ole gran Posted by: old granny on October 23, 2004 11:03 PMV V from eve of Oct 22. Essense of Kerry in his gold coat...took me to stand in front of the Vietnam memorial. He was on my left, then he was gone. So there That was as far as I could get last night. OG Posted by: old granny on October 23, 2004 11:08 PMRepublicans Endorsing John Kerry Charley Reese, conservative columnist/journalist, Orlando Sentinel (1971-2001) -- May 17
http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Republicans_for_Kerry_2004 Dave, I can't send any sunshine, but how 'bout positive thoughts and vibes...? and good news? Namaste Posted by: Jo on October 23, 2004 11:08 PMI took my daughter and her friend to the Edwards rally today at N. Straub Park in St. Petersburg FL. It was such a beautiful day, the people were jovial, the feeling was immensely exciting, the view of the Bay was wonderful!! It was great to hear from Senator Bill Nelson and Congressman Jim Davis. Betty Castor could not be there. Edwards did a great job and I think the crowd was pretty bit although I haven't heard the totals. We thoroughly enjoyed ourselves and boy does Edwards have a way with the crowds. Although there were many men there, the women outshown them mightily. I wanted to look for Pallas, but of course I have no idea what she looks like. A wonderful rally it was. A few Bush supporters across the street with their idiot signs but they did not disturb too much. They really pushed the early voting and even as we left there was people going on busses to get to the early voting places. Wonderful to see. These people are energetic and excited. Posted by: Laurie on October 23, 2004 11:11 PMI just saw on DU that Tucker Carlson will not be voting. Posted by: Nancy on October 23, 2004 11:21 PMNot today, Dave, for it's raining in CA. But tomorrow we're supposed to have some sun, so I'll work on getting at least a few rays sent your way. Posted by: shylurker on October 23, 2004 11:26 PMTucker Carlson's not voting, eh? Guess Jon Stewart took the starch out of that little bow-tie. Let's hope TC's fans follow suit. (Uh, I did not intend that pun.) Posted by: shylurker on October 23, 2004 11:34 PMOctober Suprise ? October 20, 2004 Lebanonwire http://www.lebanonwire.com/0410/04102002LW.asp Posted by: Morgana on October 23, 2004 11:35 PMOld Granny, First, your vision... the wall... I have been there and the pain of those who have visited, their mementos... the energy is palpable. I could not get close to it... had to stand a little from it... even then, it was more than I could bare... I am extremely sensitive to the pain of others ... a sponge, but I observed the others around me while there, and they also were overcome with the experience, the energy... and the names... my god they go on and on and on... Kerry in 'gold coat'? How did that 'feel' to you? I enjoyed your analysis... your points are well taken... and Libra/Venus resonates for me... Some speak of his 'serious' countenance. And that is true. But when he smiles! He lights up!!! I too recall Nancy's reference to slaying the dragon. And goodness knows we could use a Knight, to defeat this would-be king/emperor/dictator... Thank you for sharing Old Granny... 'see' you tonight. btw, thanks for the photos... they're energizing... Posted by: Jo on October 23, 2004 11:41 PMBeen looking for anti-war songs, anti-bush? Me too... Clear channel keeps most of it from manifesting... but Juan Cole is drawing attention to some of the rap music... two columns in a row. Today he posted the complete lyrics of 'Mosh' -- take a look... might give you a whole new appreciation of rap... that is, if you aren't familar with it... http://www.juancole.com/2004_10_01_juancole_archive.html#109847450794003509 I think this young man is motivating alot of young people to GOTV... [Eminem speaking angrily] [End] ' Posted by: Jo on October 24, 2004 12:00 AMTwo psychiatrists discuss Bush's narcissistic megalomania. http://www.squadron13.com/politics/2004/psychoanalysis.htm Posted by: Nancy on October 24, 2004 12:14 AMMy spouse is one of the 10,000 lawyers fanning out across the country (in swing states) to monitor the electoral process and make sure every eligible voter's vote gets submitted and counted! Wish him luck! Posted by: piegrrrl on October 24, 2004 12:22 AMMy spouse is one of the 10,000 lawyers fanning out across the country (in swing states) to monitor the electoral process and make sure every eligible voter's vote gets submitted and counted! Wish him luck! Posted by: piegrrrl on October 24, 2004 12:23 AMdarn that comments software~! Sorry for the double post. Posted by: piegrrrl on October 24, 2004 12:24 AMWishing your spouse luck, Piegrrl... times two!!! I meant to welcome you earlier when you posted. Welcome! Posted by: Jo on October 24, 2004 12:38 AMshylurker, guido and ouida may watched this hot film: http://filmstripinternational.com./ and then she started sporting the stockings. that's as much as i can say without abandoning my normal high standards of taste and decorum. warning: this film contains a naughty word! nice to see you return from whereever shylurker. Posted by: mike on October 24, 2004 02:05 AMHello again, Robert checking back in - This is for Nancy, Mark, and anyone else interested. I have two blogs, one political, one astrological. My political blog is Political Physics at http://politicalphysics.typepad.com/ There are some articles and links there re: the Florida situation, our ability to take back the Senate, a lot on the various forms of voter intimidation and disenfranchisement, and other things of interest, including a few really funny links you're guaranteed to enjoy in this serious season of screaming heads. The Aquarius Papers is located at http://blogs.salon.com/0003573 and is more astrological and metaphysical, but also has a political relevance, since I have many articles there on Bush, Kerry, and the election. I'll be checking back in over the next few days and weeks since this is an awesome blog! Aum and blessings - we're actually better off than we think! Posted by: Robert on October 24, 2004 02:25 AMSharon and all: "By the way, Pallas (or anyone else who knows the answer), when you speak about voting by paper ballot in Florida, do you mean absentee ballot? Or is there another way to ask for a paper ballot?" I can't speak for other than Palm Beach County - but 1) It's too late to get an absentee ballot unless you had already asked for it to be sent to you. Many who had asked STILL haven't received it. I think the last day was to request the absentee ballot here was Oct 18, the day early voting started. 2) In Palm Beach County at the Supervisor of Elections Office in each city you can demand a paper ballot instead of using the electronic machine. We are reccomending that, at least in our early voting, because on Nov. 2 they may not have any or enough paper ballots for the voters. Paper ballots leave a paper trail for recount - voting machines here have no paper trail of the individual vote...just a total - which of course cannot be trusted now that we know how the As far as volunteering for poll watching, here in Palm Beach County you would have had to have volunteered and been certified by the end of last Pallas18 Posted by: Pallas18 on October 24, 2004 02:40 AMSharon, you and your husband could offer to drive people to the polls, or answer phones on voting day. I'm sure there will still be lots of questions. Just go down to your local Dem Kerry HQ and I'll bet they'll have plenty for you to do. As the time runs out the effort and energy is getting more frenetic. Posted by: Pallas18 on October 24, 2004 02:44 AMPallas, Things are frantic all over the country and folks are anxious, but nowhere more so than Florida, I daresay. The ugly history there of 2000 is rearing its head along with all the Rovian dirty tricks, which like Mickey's broom in Fantasia seem to be moving from Florida outward across the states. But we have an advantage... we have been there before... we know to expect the unexpected, the unpredictable, the absolute unimaginable from them. Awareness is a mighty tool. You stay 'aware' - not simply to the political situation, but keep yourself safe. I'm sure you know your home has been invaded by folks who do not mind creating havoc. Keep your eyes and ears open. We send light and blessings to you and those who work with you... namaste Posted by: Jo on October 24, 2004 02:57 AMMy sweet lord. Washington Post endorsed Kerry. Posted by: Susan on October 24, 2004 04:48 AMYes, Pallas, my inclination is to stay home & drive people to the polls. Thanks for the advice. That's so great about the Washington Post, Susan. So many papers have endorsed Kerry. I am very optimistic about Kerry winning. Yes, Pallas, my inclination is to stay home & drive people to the polls. Thanks for the advice. That's so great about the Washington Post, Susan. So many papers have endorsed Kerry. I am very optimistic about Kerry winning. Posted on MYDD: Bad Poll Reporting and Manufacturing Consent to a Potentially Stolen Election scroll down a little for the article I wonder if the Kerry camp has this information. Posted by: Laurie on October 24, 2004 05:52 AMGreetings -- I know it's what one after another of us keeps saying, but this blog really is helping me keep my sanity -- hope you won't think me too bold for jumping in here... I've given up listening to network news except to stay abreast of the latest lies. Your links and comments, (plus Air America broadcasts) help keep me alert to ways to put my concerns into action - like contacting Sinclair advertisers. So empowering! And thank-you all for sharing your helpful astrological analyses. I know you are doing it for one another, but just by listening in I find I'm learning so much about astrology that I'm beginning to surprise myself! Piegrrl (and hubby), Pallas, and you other volunteers - your work is so much appreciated by those of us unable to act as heroically! I'm in California, so I'm rooting like crazy for all of you in the trenches! I have to say I was really relieved when you all decided on the shared visualization technique. Thought it interesting that I had started a day or two ahead of you, (and at the time was wondering how those of us who recognize the power of intention could unify our energies in this exercise). Never occured to me that a suggestion on a blog could be the key! Way to go Astroworld! But the synergy of having the impulse even before the suggestion was made, to me just signifies the strength of the energetic connection moving us all toward this shared destiny. I'm not quite on your timetable, but then, what is "time"? Love and light to all you astroworlders, and to those leaders we "see" in our future......... ---um, sorry for a long post. I think I've been carrying this stuff around with me for too long! And last but not least, thank you Sally for this site. Welcome KM and thanks for speaking up!! Visualization is very important methinks. Robert, I love your astro-articles and blog! I will visit there often! You are very talented and please come and post your thoughts often. Here's a very interesting article (please read!) about a REAL hero at the WTC on 9-11, who has decided to sue Bush: "He has commenced, as Plaintiff, a federal court lawsuit against George W. Bush, Richard B. Cheney, Donald H. Rumsfeld and others alleging that they and others were complicit in the 9-11 attacks, and either planned the attacks, or had foreknowledge of the attacks and permitted them to succeed, in order to exploit a “New Pearl Harbor” to launch wars against Afghanistan and Iraq." This could have legs, and it would lead to testimony and the sh*t could hit the fan. Posted by: Laurie on October 24, 2004 07:09 AMOOOOPS - it would help to give you the link!!! Duh!! http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publish/article_14643.shtml Posted by: Laurie on October 24, 2004 07:10 AMGina, do you live in New Orleans? Sharon--yeah, I do. I live in Carrollton. Jo, You were asking about possible anti-Bush songs. There is a GREAT collection of folk music from Waterbug called Vote in November: Anti-Theft Device. There's at least one group from the Carolinas on it, Jonathan Byrd and Dromedary; plus a guy named Dan Bern has a song called "Bush Must Be Defeated." Another one of my favorites is "King George III," by Hugh Blumenfeld, which brilliantly parallels then and now. I have a couple extra copies, but I think you can get it for as little as $5 at Waterbug's website, www.waterbug.com Posted by: Gina on October 24, 2004 08:04 AMWow! Another visualization coming true! I hope it CAN get legs enough to at least start people really examining this thing. Might force gov't hand and get the CIA report released? (Course I don't really have much confidence in that either...omigod that means I might be a tin foil hat wearing soul too!) Laurie...I notice the source of the link is in Yuba County. You by any chance close by? I'm in Sac'to. And Robert: Ditto Laurie's comments - I detect an evolved and wise, as well as talented soul... Kathleen Posted by: KM on October 24, 2004 08:07 AMWelcome KM, Kathleen! Good to 'hear' your voice... Gina, thank you for the info on the music... I'm just not 'hip' anymore and not as aware of what's out there... I'll check out waterbug... Susan, thanks for the good new about Washington Post... We simply have to hang in there... light to all. Posted by: Jo on October 24, 2004 12:41 PMRe the endorsements... Sally wrote somewhat earlier that her brother wrote that folks in Kansas were very surprised at the Kansas City Star's(I hope I have this right) endorsement of Kerry. According to the endorsement site: Kerry now leads Bush 70-58 in endorsements in E&P's exclusive tally, and by about 11.9 million to 7.1 million in the circulation of backing papers.
Meanwhile, E&P has learned from several sources at the Cleveland Plain Dealer that the paper's nine-person editorial board decided earlier this week that it wanted to endorse Kerry but Publisher Alex Machaskee, who has final say, has decided on Bush. The paper backed Bush in 2000. This has caused consternation in some quarters at the Plain Dealer, with sources telling E&P that the endorsement editorial, which was expected to run Sunday, was put off.
Interesting too to know that Kerry [has picked up 17 Bush papers from 2000, while losing only two Gore papers to Bush.] I have to think about the night's V V pictures this time. Real different and I have to get clear first. Maybe I'll post mine later. OG http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000683265 Daily Endorsement Tally: On 'Super Sunday,' Kerry Makes Huge Gains New York Senator John Kerry continued his raid on newspapers that backed President George W. Bush in 2000, grabbing 10 new "flip-flops," as well as The Washington Post. He has now won over at least 21 papers that went for Bush in 2000, while Bush has only earned two Gore papers. However, Bush got a real prize in Ohio, the Columbus Dispatch. Kerry now leads Bush 80-66 in endorsements in E&P's exclusive tally, and by about 12.6 million to 8.1 million in the circulation of backing papers. In gaining the Orlando Sentinel, one of the switches from Bush, Kerry completed a sweep of major papers in top swing stage, Florida. In another surprise, the Detroit News, which has never endorsed a Democrat, and backed Bush in 2000, announced that it would sit out the 2004 election, not happy with either candidate. Bush has lost at least four other papers to the "neutral" column in addition to those that switched to Kerry. The Chicago Sun-Times and the Los Angeles Daily News, which both backed Bush in 2000, also endorsed Kerry. But Bush gained the key Columbus paper. In an editorial it revealed it was "less than enthused about the choices." It said it was troubled by Bush's fiscal policies and the war in Iraq but said that neither Kerry's Senate record nor "his shifting positions during the presidential campaign inspire confidence that he would provide the strong, resolute leadership America desperately needs." Bush also picked up the Houston Chronicle and Denver Post, the latter in a switch from Gore in 2000. William Dean Singleton, now the publisher of that paper, is known as a strong Bush supporter. His MediaNews Group also owns the L.A. Daily News, which Singleton allowed to go for Kerry. More... Posted by: Pat C on October 24, 2004 04:08 PMChicago Trib conservative columnist Steve Chapman: At the age of 50, I get few chances to try something entirely new. Come Nov. 2, I plan to take one of those rare opportunities. I'm going to vote for a Democrat for president.
Interesting times from Marjorie Orr http://www.star4cast.com/index.asp?page=heavenly_display.asp November is way too interesting. Posted by: Pat C on October 24, 2004 05:02 PMGot to post concerning the newspaper endorsements (a few posts above) and Bush winning the important backing of the Columbus Dispatch. Not so sure it is as important as one may think. I live in and was born in Central Ohio, i.e., Columbus. I grew up in a community, Upper Arlington (UA), that is the epitome of Bushworld. For example, Prez #41 has a cousin living on one of the most expensive streets in UA, grandfather Prescott was raised in Columbus, grandfather or great-grandfather founded one of the most exclusive country clubs in Central Ohio to which R. David Thomas, the founder of Wendy's who lived here could not join, and great grandfather or grandfather started one of the most exclusive private schools in the area. Additionally, the Bush family's holding of Buckeye Steel is significant because it may have been used during WW II to support their deals with the Germans. I could go on, but I think this sets the stage. Not surprised that Bush got the the Columbus Disgrace's endorsement (yes, Columbus Disgrace ... that is what we call it here). The paper, one tv and one radio station owned by a family that is, I am sure, very Repug. Even more importantly, I have been purposely driving through UA on my way home from work the last few months and am absolutely astounded at the number of Kerry/Edwards lawn signs. They went up earlier that the B/C signs. They are at least 50% of the lawn signs ... amazing in the heart of Bushworld. They are on the lawns of the most expensive as well as least expensive homes. Everyone I talk to in my age group, 50+ is beside themselves with the way Bush has and is administering. Some are Repugs who will be voting for Kerry. So, take heart, keep the faith ... if UA is this pro Kerry ... hope must be on the way. Blue Crystal Light, Charlene I'm a little hesitant to post this, as I'm sort of "new" to the board, but my V V was a little disturbing - though not entirely disheartening - and rather than wait til after others have posted I thought I'd go ahead and commit to mine. I began, trying to see Kerry first being sworn in. First thing I saw was Kerry suddenly stricken (I feared he'd been shot!) Healers began attending to it and I also approached and helped with the healing - something on the left side, abdominal. I had a sense that this was serious but not fatal - also don't think it was a gunshot. Something more organic, I think. I felt it receiving the healing... Then the whole thing started over, only this time I saw him as he reached the podium, smiled broadly and raised his right hand for the swearing in. Yay! Posted by: KM on October 24, 2004 05:45 PMThe LA Times goes straight to the heart of the matter. "The idea of the United States as an ironfisted theocracy is terrifying, and it should give everyone pause. This time, it's not about policy. This time, for the first time, it's about the nature of American government. "We all have reason to be very, very afraid." http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/sunday/commentary/la-op-gabler24oct24,1,1450207.story Posted by: shylurker on October 24, 2004 05:51 PMCharlene - Thanks for letting us know! That post about the Columbus paper shook me a little, but after reading your post I am much relieved. Astroworlders - wanted to share how the astrological knowledge I've been gleaning here helped out last night in a very "real life" matter. My 30-year old daughter called me, "just to talk". She's feeling very down the last couple of days - and as she started talking about how she felt I suddenly recalled the fact that we are between two eclipses, and I wondered whether these and the general planetary conditions might be one cause of this distress. (This young woman is a successful personal fitness consultant and a powerhouse who hasn't let anything stop her, so to hear her suddenly questioning the very meaning of her life was a little startling. Of course she is turning 30, and that's a milestone of its own - and I can see a life review accompanying the entry into this new life stage. But the focus of her present crisis was relationships...one in particular that has been very off and on over the past couple of years.) So, I mentioned these eclipses to her, and went to a monthly astrology report that I regularly read -- pulled up Scorpio, and voila! There it was, down to the tee!!! Her sudden withdrawal from public interaction, serious consideration of her life's direction, and the resurfacing/resolution of relationship issues that in her case have come to the surface with each of the eclipses in this latest series (the site said they spanned two years)! WOW!! Thanks for all the information that you all make available here - not only does it help with the difficult political situation we're in but you helped me to have an awareness that gave my daughter reassurance that I think she really needed last night. Knowing that this feeling was connected to something larger, something predictable, gave her a sense of calm and a renewed empowerment. Thanks again. Light to all... Since the Bush family was so intimately involved in the whole BCCI/Iran-Contra thing, Kerry is taking on far more than most people realize. I hope he has a small army of bodyguards. “There has never been a guy who has run for president who has, hands-on, known the kinds of substantive things he knows about the world of international crime, about banking and international bank regulation and finance, about the interconnectedness of the world finance system and how various intelligence agencies play into it. He is uniquely qualified.” http://www.alternet.org/election04/20268/ Posted by: shylurker on October 24, 2004 06:13 PMIf you want to help get out the vote, you can do so at home using your phone & computer. It's very simple and the target is minority and lower income homes. As these are generally Kerry voters you can help by simply urging them to vote using this non-partisan website. Posted by: M. on October 24, 2004 06:13 PMShylurker "I hope he has a small army of bodyguards." Exactly - it's been said before, these people will stop at nothing! In fact I've made up my mind start creating a protective shield (someone else mentioned doing that here, didn't they?) around Kerry in my V V's in addition to sending healing energy and manifesting a victorious nomination. Much as I know the power of the collective energies, I also have a completely rational side that wonders if this is enough...(sigh). Phone calling very do-able, M!! Thanks for the link. -- gosh I'm positively chatty. Hope I don't come across as intrusive. Forgive me if I do...I think it's maybe a "newbie" thing that will wear off soon enough? The Coming Post-Election Chaos - John Dean http://writ.corporate.findlaw.com/scripts/printer_friendly.pl?page=/dean/20041022.html Posted by: wv on October 24, 2004 06:45 PMTO ALL ASTROWORLDERS: NEPTUNE MADE A STATION TODAY (Sunday) >>>>>>>>>>> . . It appears that Neptune's position and strength this week offer a helping hand from nonphysical . . . We're moving up to new levels as we release conflicts. We get a reminder of what it's like to live the old way, through seeing or experiencing power struggles, crises, judgements, and overreactions. We see the old way, and we are offered a new route that bypasses those lower-energy emotions. Call upon nonphysical energies this week, to guide you and assist you in rising above resistance and conflict. Ask your inner being/higher self to join you and to help you maintain a higher perspective. There is assistance at your side. Your work is to ask for help, and then to remain open to that guidance through focusing on the light at the end of the tunnel.” >>>>>>>>>>>> GO HERE TO READ THE REST OF IT http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/102504Y.shtml Who'll Stop The Rain? Long as I remember, the rain been comin' down. Clouds of myst'ry pourin,' confusion on the ground. Good men through the ages, tryin' to find the sun. And I wonder, still I wonder, who'll stop the rain. - John Fogerty 1970, Who'll Stop The Rain Day by day I hear the voices rising Started with a whisper like it did before Day by day we count the dead and dying Ship the bodies home while the networks all keep score snip.... Low expectations The debates have come and gone and with them the benefit of low expectations. We do support our troops and their families, each and every one of us. No one approves of the killing of innocent civilians or those who do nothing more than defend their homes. What will the standard be for the White House? Will we accept less than the best? Is it now okay to lie with impunity? Are we still so afraid of wolves that we will offer the lives of our children to those who cry wolf? Only a coward waits for a guarantee before going into battle. Who'll stop the rain Posted by: Pat C on October 24, 2004 07:06 PMDoes anyone here know what consequence comes of a person being registered to vote more than once? I read somewhere that just because you're registered more than once doesn't mean you can vote more than once. I have NO knowledge with which to evaluate this. Reason I ask is, it may be that with an all out registration effort there might be multiple opportunities for a person to register to vote: at a table in a public place, for example; or in response to door-to-door canvassers. No fraudulent intent is required for it to occur. Just a willingness of an individual to register multiple times (I dunno, bad memory - lack of education about the process, etc.) That would be different from registering fraudulent/fictional names, dead people, etc. And it would certainly be different from destroying registrations, right? OK, now my point: The Dems (ACORN) are being investigated for having duplicate registrations [and some dumbell thought to register folks like Mickey Mouse, etc. much to our shame and chagrin]. But the Repubs (Voters Outreach of America) are being investigated for DESTROYING registrations -- and to add another wrinkle, I believe that they were falsely representing themselves in some cases as America Votes (Dem group). In the first case, multiple registrations - not necessarily associated with multiple votes? Also a detectable and correctable situation I should think. In the second, however, a destroyed registration would effectively eliminate a legitimate voter. And since so many states have registration deadlines no chance for folks to take remedial action to re-register. The person's right to vote has truly been denied. Shouldn't the difference in outcomes for these two behaviors be highlighted when they are reported? I was considering sending out some emails, etc. to that effect, but wanted to know first whether I'm thinking straight about this. Anybody? Posted by: KM on October 24, 2004 07:37 PMDoonsbury is right on.... http://www.uclick.com/client/nyt/db/ Posted by: wv on October 24, 2004 07:39 PMI have not been home in the last day or so....but wanted to report in on the emotional and mental climate for almost everyone I know....it SUCKS. Such an incredible amount of depression (reality sucks)....and we need to be prepared for all the "blowback" (thank you, Claudia Dikinis, for that excelent word) when Neptunian veils part and we are confronted with the reality we have been handed over the last 4 years. I was very depressed for the last week....really really depressed...some of it personal, some of it what I am reading on other planes (thanks KM for your appearance here...it is most welcome and everyone else, too...start your engines!). But yesterday I woke up angry (this has also been reported among others, including MY daughter)...and we need our anger. Also some laughter. Posted by: judi gemini on October 24, 2004 07:47 PM"el presidente" (Bush, the real Mexican president) article is at http://www.tomdispatch.com SeÒor W, the worst presidente / In old Mexico, power came from the father I heartily recommend this read, as it is amusing AND instructive.... Posted by: judi gemini on October 24, 2004 07:51 PM What a fabulous person Teresa is......... a shame that so many Americans seem to need to seek the lowest common denominator!!!!!!!! After the death of her husband, U.S. Senator John Heinz, in 1991, Teresa was urged by national and Pennsylvania political leaders to seek election to his Senate seat. She chose instead to assume direction of the family’s extensive philanthropic operations, undertaking a major reorganization designed to sharpen the foundations’ strategic focus. Today, the foundations she oversees are widely known for developing innovative strategies to protect the environment, improve education, enhance the lives of young children, broaden economic opportunity and promote the arts http://www.heinzawards.net/about.asp?staticid=7 If everyone would also, please, think about what KM posted about the protective shield around Kerry/Edwards and spouses....I think we do need to work with the beneficial energies which are here, as well all the neutral energy....and what better than to protect the incoming president and vice president....which is also a shield to protect the transfer of power in order for our government to continue ALSO....if you get my meaning. Posted by: judi gemini on October 24, 2004 07:57 PMIf you haven't seen it yet, go see the video at truthout.org - it's imbedded in the article that Pat C linked (above) - Who'll Stop the Rain? Mother of Iraq casualty Michael Pederson speaks out. Powerful. Posted by: KM on October 24, 2004 07:58 PMhttp://www.truthout.org/docs_04/102504Y.shtml Here's the website that Pat C posted previously, where the video of Pederson's mother is. The woman is beautiful and her message, well, go see.... Posted by: KM on October 24, 2004 08:03 PMJUDI GEMINI, Read my post upthread about today's Neptune station and go here to read the whole article. It made me feel better.
KM, maybe some dumbbell Dem registered "Mickey Mouse"as a Democrat, but don't you think it is more likely that some Rovian Repug did it to discredit all the real new voters who registered Democrat? Probably rules about voter rolls vary from state to state, and maybe even from county to county. Where I live now, the rolls are purged every three years. That is, if you haven't voted in three years your name will be removed and you will have to register again in order to vote. When I moved and registered in a new state, I was still registered in my former precinct in another state. So I was registered in two places--but I just voted in the place where I now live. I don't know if there is a federal law against the same person voting in more than one state. Probably there isn't one, but there should be. I think that it probably hasn't come up very much in the past, but might be a problem in future. BTW, welcome. Posted by: Barbara on October 24, 2004 08:21 PMWV, There seems to be more truth and, indeed wisdom, in the comics and 'toons' these days, then there is in the 'news' --- Bob Edwards, formerly of Morning Edition, has an excellent word for what the networks and cables dispense... it's not 'news' --- it's 'infotainment' --- the premise is the entertainment is in two talking heads arguing stridently for an opposing side..., smiling and shaking hands at the end of their allotted time (crossfire ? or any of those others - I don't watch anymore, so I don't know what they call themselves these days... JudiGemini, Our side is doing very well... hope your job prospects improve... meanwhile, do what you feel you can to help GOTV... that is what is going to put President Kerry in the White House... take a few minutes for yourself, light a candle, listen to your favorite music, take a bubble bath... just hang on Snoopy... "Help/Hope is on the Way" KM, Don't worry about being chatty... you have all that silent lurking time to make up for! Seriously, we are glad you're here... Light to all, According to one recent poll(www.electoral-vote.com) Kerry is slightly ahead 257-254 electoral votes. Wow! that means that Hawaii's 4 electoral votes could actually be decisive this time and for the first time in 20 years I may get to cast a meaningful vote. (I'm actually hoping that poll is not true and Kerry wins big!) On Wednesday our progressive student group at the University is planning a "pots and pans" march (that means everyone making a little noise) from the University down to Bayfront just before sunset. I don't believe they realized that this means the march will take place right during the lunar eclipse! I'm hoping the horizon is cloudless and we will be able to see at least a partially eclipsed moon rise up from the ocean! Posted by: Timothy on October 24, 2004 08:30 PM When a country obtains great power, A great nation is like a great man: If a nation is centered in the Tao, Lao Tzu, Tao te Ching, Stephen Mitchell translation I used this in a piece I wrote for CounterPunch a couple of weeks ago. Astroworld readers may notice that the essay actually began here in Astroworld comments. Aloha... http://www.counterpunch.org/freeman10122004.html Posted by: Timothy on October 24, 2004 08:37 PMBarbara - thanks for your insights. [And though I do think it entirely probable that the Repgs seek to discredit us Dems - I also humbly accept the notion that sometimes we are also all too human. At least I am, damnably so sometimes! -- but with the precedent they've already set in misrepresenting themselves as dems, you may just be right!] So whaddya think? I thought to try to get newscasters to "wake up" to how these two reports, even if true, show a greater evil [wouldn't use THAT word with them though] on the Repg side. And Jo - You're right...I've been lurking for quite awhile so maybe this is just "catching up" time ;) Thanks all for your warm welcome. Aloha to you Timothy... I'm going to read your article in a minute, just wanted to make a comment or two before they slip from me... The Neptune Station... it went Direct today and finishes the Station on 29th, right Nancy? I've been waiting for this... I could feel the shift in the energy late last night... dKos has some words on dubya's 'internal' polls which they seem to have obtained some info about... Bush's internal polling paints dire picture for him From a GOP official who has seen Bush's internal polling. "There's just no place where they're polling outside the margin of error so they can say, 'We have this state,'" the official said. "And they know that an incumbent needs to be outside the margin of error." They're sweating. And they'll sweat more as we do our GOTV, GOTV, GOTV. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/24/153457/95 ---------------- My own intuitive feeling is, this election is going to be like no other in more ways than Karl Rove and his bag of tricks. The people are moving, the energy is rising... like the tsunami Nancy described in her article some months back.. Remember? I feel the ground moving under the shrub, remember Sally? More people are going to vote in this election than ever before... and the MAJORITY are going to vote for President Kerry. He WILL win. The PEOPLE WILL WIN. I 'feel' it for the first time... that solid, rock hard, gut, psychic, third-eye feeling --- The moment? I was having lunch with my Dad today, and trying to chat away about any and everything to keep 'politics' from coming up... I've mentioned to y'all that this election is the first time in my life my Dad and I have disagreed about something... he's scared, been watching too much Faux Noos, and thinks dubya is 'doing the best he can'... etc... So, I ask about baseball, his favorite subject, and how it is that the Yanks lost and BoSox won, and he started talking and describing one of the games, and one of the players, who literally flew/dived through the air on his stomach with arm outstretched to catch a ball he couldn't even see... and then to tell me how BoSox were two, then three games down, and came back to win two, then two more straight... his face lit up and I could feel his energy and I said the players simply 'willed it to happen' and he smiled big and said yes, they WILLED it, no other way to explain it... Well, my friends, been to dKos lately, read the comments? How 'bout here? How 'bout other blogs? Will, friends... the sheer WILL of the people... the rising of the consciousness... the movement of the people (ohhh my gosh, I sound like an evangelistic preacher!)... anyway, you get my drift. Start thinking positive, and more positive. Say it... "WE ARE GOING TO WIN", make it happen. Have you ever been in a situation you knew you had to win and all the odds were against you, but you came through? Maybe just a talk with a troubled child, that needed to understand and somehow you magically opened that window, made the connection... We're going to do this I tell you... Namaste Posted by: Jo on October 24, 2004 09:04 PMTimothy - great article. Good logic! I especially like how you keep to the argument, and despite Sarah's failure to "grok" (What the hell is that anyway, or "fisking"?) I thought your argument coherent and persuasive. I looked in on her post and decided that she is, like the rest of the Repgs who are supporting Bush simply a hysteric. Unable to connect with reality or to follow a simple line of logic due to a hijacked amygdala, most likely as a result of 9/11 trauma. I pray for the safety of her husband, though - and all those in harm's way today. Their fear and retreat into denial highlight why we must avoid letting our own reason be similarly diverted into delusion-land. Positive - think positive and stay focused in the moment. Visualize the reality we desire, take responsible action in harmony with our goals, and continue steadily into the light. Use the energies now manifesting...thanks Astroworlders for sharing your great suggestions and connections to the astrological! Timothy, I am overwhelmed... such a great article. My friend you are certainly a gifted writer and solid on your facts... How proud I am to know that one of a-world is writing second (or more?) articles for Counterpunch! Sally said some time back, that if those of us reading and posting had ANY idea of the credentials and life experiences of some of the writers and posters, we would be impressed... Thank you Timothy, for alerting us to your article. Well done! Thank you... for writing it. Check out the link folks: Following is a link to a piece of fiction written by Stirling Newberry (from BOP, some of you may have read his articles on economy and/or politics at dKos or BOP or elsewhere... great mind) this is a 44 page scenario about what MIGHT have happened pre- 9/11/2001 IF we had had a strong, intelligent, engaged entity at the helm... http://www.symphony-x.com/archives/Memo911.pdf Posted by: Jo on October 24, 2004 10:26 PMKM: Posted by KM at October 24, 2004 05:45 PM
Hope to be with you then. :0) Posted by: old granny on October 24, 2004 11:13 PMwv: Posted by wv at October 21, 2004 08:07 PM
Can we hope...that hope is on the way? Just watched Elizabeth Edwards at the town hall meeting in PA. Really good energy there, and she does a wonderful job without being too heavy(too intellectual, too feminist) or too light(too gushy, too cute). She is in the wing formation; she surely is. Posted by: old granny on October 24, 2004 11:18 PMTimothy Freeman: Great article on Counterpunch. I hope you are as proud of it as I am proud of your clear vision. At the end of that article I felt like standing up and shouting YES! Thanks for giving us a heads up on the article and I hope everyone on this board reads it. Posted by: Sally on October 24, 2004 11:23 PMTimothy, absolutely wonderful. As I read the text from the Tao Te Ching, I was thinking that Bush is the anti-Tao. Thank you for posting it here. I'm going to post it on Table Talk on Salon if you don't mind. KM, I enjoyed your visual dream for Kerry. Please let us know what else you get. Posted by: Pat C on October 25, 2004 12:10 AMWell, Timothy, what can I say? Impeccable logic, verifiable info, thorough and patient presentation--and written seemingly effortlessly (which is the hardest writing to do). Just wonderful! Thanks so much for sharing this with us. We are one lucky bunch. Posted by: shylurker on October 25, 2004 12:18 AMThank you all for your kind comments on my essay. Sometimes I really wonder if it is really worth the effort, and just to get that feedback from all of you is heartening. I really do love to read all the fine articles and commentary here. KM- "Grok" is from the classic science fiction novel "Stranger in a Strange Land" about a wise alien come to this strange land of earth. It's been too many years since I've read it to remember exactly, but "grok" in the alien's language meant something like "understand" but in a really deep, cellular level so to speak. That's why it was such a perfect, priceless set-up to find such a classic example of America's failure to understand the Iraq war, and by extention the darkness of the Bush Administration, on a blog called "Trying to Grok." By the way, here is another interesting verse (74) from a different translation of the Tao Te Ching (Daodejing--according to the more up-to-date romanization): "If men are not afraid to die, Perhaps the whole approach to the problem of terrorism is misguided. Posted by: Timothy on October 25, 2004 01:04 AMTimothy - ah, I grok! And it is priceless indeed (sometimes it seems like they make it way too easy)! Thanks for the translation. From your post: "If men are not afraid to die, It's been my belief that this is PRECISELY why the current approach to terrorism is utterly misguided. If they bothered to follow the reasoning, the Repgs could "grok" this as well. Oh...I forgot. That would require using the tools of the "reality-based" community. The Republican WSJ owned rag here in Santa Cruz has just endorsed John Kerry. I'm flabbergasted. As We See It: Kerry for president ELECTION: Despite misgivings, we feel the time has come for a change in the White House. http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2004/October/24/edit/stories/01edit.htm Posted by: Pat C on October 25, 2004 01:43 AMAn truly excellent piece today in the Sunday Herald, Scotland. Chaos Inside The Triangle Of Death Secret Report: Military reports passed to the Sunday Herald show the full scale of the chaos and danger which awaits Scottish troops in Iraq http://www.sundayherald.com/45628 Posted by: Pat C on October 25, 2004 01:56 AMBush Interior Dept. Pepper Sprays Top Cop Detainees Secretly Taken Out Of Iraq U.S. Diplomat Killed in Baghdad Mortar Attack Secret Changes Made to Military Law Post 9/11 Neal Gabler | Karl Rove: America's Mullah When Worlds Collide Ohio Court: Provisional Ballots Outside Precinct Not Valid Le Nouvel Observateur | The Presidential Election as Seen By... Lucy Komisar | The Case That Kerry Cracked Bush's Story of Work in Urban Program is Disputed Pentagon Whistle Blower Objected to Halliburton No Bid Contract I was thinking it was on this thread that I read about the novelist who was researching terrorists on the net for her work in progress and was raided and all her stuff seized by the Feds under the Patriot Act. Can't find it now, so must have been another board. Anyhow, here is more info on that http://digbysblog.blogspot.com Scroll down--it is the third or fourth item. But the whole site is interesting, Posted by: Barbara on October 25, 2004 03:27 AMThis is headlines of NYTimes and most other papers tomorrow a.m. Rove has hoped I am sure this one could stay under the rug until after Nov. 2. This is one 'Oct Surprise' that will bite them in the butt... see NYT link as well as dkos link for background on flow this pm http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/24/223637/75 Posted by: Jo on October 25, 2004 03:51 AMI'm concerned about Neptune, ruler of deception,going direct this morning just before the election. On the other hand Neptune could be considered the forward movement of the idealistic, I too have visualized Kerry, before I knew today that you all were doing so, and I saw him with his Kerry spoke in Boca Raton today at the Florida Atlantic University Lawn. 7000 seats and 8000 standing college students expected, but between 17 and 20,000 showed up, with the line a mile and a quarter down the main street, Glades Road. Think about that. :) Many are upset that Ed Koch is coming here endorsing Dummy and Ari Fleischer will be at a temple speaking for the chimp. I gave out 600 democratic voting "tickets" between Saturday and today, Sunday to people who requested them. So many stopped to say they were praying that Kerry wins, and like us, that they can't even bear to look at the chimp when he is on tv. Amazing that we all have such a visceral reaction to him that we can't-won't even look at him. Out of the 100's of people who passed by my "station" today only 6 or 7 were obviously repugnant and made nasty comments. One purposely stopped to ask me and bait me why he should vote for Kerry. When I realized what he was doing, I told him I could tell him why he shouldn't vote for the other. He wouldn't stop, and I told him to please go and vote for Bush - and still wouldnt leave until I was repeating Go away, go away, go away. But that type is so rare. It is still 96 to 98 % pro- Kerry in this area. And even in the Northern Florida areas, the dems are out early voting in monstrous numbers - (they don't even realize how many because at least 50% are leaving because there is a two hour wait to vote) while the republicans are behind in voting. I strongly suspect that many republicans are just going to sit home and not vote at all not being able to vote for Kerry, but not able to abide the Bungler. The better for America.
"You stay 'aware' - not simply to the political situation, but keep yourself safe. I'm sure you know your home has been invaded by folks who do not mind creating havoc. Keep your eyes and ears open. We send light and blessings to you and those who work with you... namaste Posted by: Jo on October 24, 2004 02:57 AM " Hmmm. Would you want to make that clearer? Some are expecting violence at the polls. Anything is possible...but usually , being on the small side, (although having a rather large MOUTH chuckle) I'm safe from physical violence. I'll appreciate all white light - and trust - One more week to accomplish the imagineable against the dark forces! Pallas
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_10_24.php#003777 HOLY crap!! This has been rumored in Washington for several days. And now the Nelson Report has broken the story. Some 350 tons of high explosives (RDX and HMX), Soulmatch helps you meet your greatest spiritual need - the need for companionship, connection and love. We help you find someone with whom you share true Spiritual Chemistry - by assessing the values, faith, politics and character traits that matter most to you. Start your search today! which were under IAEA seal while Saddam was in power, were looted during the early days of the US occupation. Like so much else, it was just left unguarded. Not only are these super-high-yield explosives probably being used in many, if not most, of the various suicide and car bombings in Iraq, but these particular explosives are ones used in the triggering process for nuclear weapons. In other words, it's bad stuff. What also emerges in the Nelson Report is that the Defense Department has been trying to keep this secret for some time. The DOD even went so far as to order the Iraqis not to inform the IAEA that the materials had gone missing. Informing the IAEA, of course, would lead to it becoming public knowledge in the United States. I quote from Chris Nelson's summary ... More... Posted by: Pat C on October 25, 2004 04:25 AMOh gosh, now I see Barbara posted two article on the same subject. What bunglers the thugs are. Posted by: Pat C on October 25, 2004 04:41 AMOh yes, Guys - I forgot to mention that this morning I spent 2 hours and 20 minutes waiting on a line to obtain two tickets to President Clinton's appearance in Boca Raton this Tuesday. Only 300 were available to outsiders, although 1200 had already been distributed. Drudge has a picture of Big Dawg up and he looks almost skeletal for him. His face if very thin and long...he appears to have lost much weight from this surgery. I got the tickets and am considering myself very very lucky. :) And I also think this is a big physical sacrifice that Big Dawg is making. I think you might send him some healing and additional energy too. Thanks Pallas Posted by: Pallas18 on October 25, 2004 04:53 AMAn in-depth report by LA Times: THE FIGHT FOR IRAQ FALLOUJA, Iraq — As soon as the women of Fallouja learned that four Americans had been killed, their bodies mutilated, burned and strung up from a bridge, they knew a terrible battle was coming. They filled their bathtubs and buckets with water. They bought sacks of rice and lentils. They considered that they might soon die. more... Amazing how things seem to be falling to pieces. I recall reading here that things were going to fall apart for the Repg campaign during this last week or so -- damaging truth about shrub and mismanagement was going to start coming out. Looks like it's here....... Wish that didn't mean they will just become that much more desperate, their responses marked by more despicable nastiness and dark scheming! Posted by: KM on October 25, 2004 05:08 AMLight and healing to the great man, Clinton as well as our great hope, JFK and Edwards. And a shield of protection for you, too Pallas. Love and light to all you astroworlders. Posted by: KM on October 25, 2004 05:15 AMWhen men become willing to LIVE for something, instead of DYING for something, then we'll have SOMETHING... imo. Posted by: JoannaOregon on October 25, 2004 06:05 AMClash of the Titans On the downside, however, the public hates Congress these days, and Gephardt will be running as a leader of Congress. In a recent Harris Poll, 45 percent of those queried had an unfavorable view of congressional Democrats. By virtue of its very nature, Congress as a whole is seen as the center of partisan squabbling over such important political issues as presidential impeachment, taxes, and what the government knew about terrorism before September 11. Those familiar with Gephardt’s thinking say the Missourian is familiar with this disadvantage and simply doesn’t care. Gephardt, 61, knows that 2004 will probably be his last chance to run for president. Some in his camp are still smarting over the fact that he didn’t run in 1992, when he decided against it twice during that election cycle. Few realize that he pondered running as late as January 1992, when Arkansas governor Bill Clinton was faltering in New Hampshire, in part over allegations that he’d had an extramarital affair with singer Gennifer Flowers. To this day, some Gephardt allies believe that if the congressman had gotten into the race at that point (already too late to make it onto the New Hampshire ballot), he may have been able to overtake Clinton — who, they point out, did not face premier Democratic talent that year. (Clinton’s competition in the 1992 national primary, the locally much-beloved former Massachusetts senator Paul Tsongas, had been out of politics since 1983 and didn't have much national presence.) If Gephardt does run, and it looks as if he will, what’s to stop the primary from becoming a rematch of the 1988 slugfest between Gephardt and Gore? While it’s true that Gore has been in near seclusion since the 2000 presidential race — making only a handful of public appearances, the most prominent of which was his fiery speech to the Florida Democratic Convention in April — most observers believe he will run in 2004. As the Washington Post’s David Broder noted, although Gore’s been inaccessible for months, the winner of the 2000 election’s popular vote has not come out and said point-blank that he’s not running. That’s why all potential candidates, from Gephardt to Lieberman and Kerry, are readying themselves for a challenge from the former vice-president. So we’re likely to see the two most influential Democrats of their generation face off once again in a presidential primary. What will they do to each other? THE GEPHARDT-GORE rivalry is famous. The two men entered Congress in 1976 and competed with each other for recognition as first of that class. In the 1988 Democratic presidential primary, the competition between Gore and Gephardt became one of the campaign’s subtexts. Each believed that if not for the other, he would be able to defeat Governor Michael Dukakis. Gore adopted Gephardt’s conservative proto–New Democratic image (Gephardt had been a founder of the Democratic Leadership Council); both assumed the trappings of patriotism to win the South. Each criticized the other for flip-flopping on issues. In one presidential debate, in Dallas, Gephardt accused Gore of changing his position on an oil tariff. "Lately, you’ve been sounding more like Al Haig than Al Gore," he said. "That line sounds more like Richard Nixon than Richard Gephardt," Gore fired back. During the campaign, Gephardt’s campaign manager, Bill Carrick, got into hot water after making inflammatory statements about Gore’s campaign team prior to Super Tuesday primary day. "I can’t wait," said Carrick. "It’s blood lust. Let me at him. I think they are the phoniest two-bit bastards that ever came down the pike, starting with Al Gore." Tension between the two simmered through much of the 1990s, as Gore became Clinton’s frontman in favor of the North American Free Trade Agreement and Gephardt emerged as the main advocate of organized labor, which opposed NAFTA. Eventually, largely in response to the threat Clinton faced from congressional Republicans, the two mended faces. When Gephardt decided not to run for president in 2000, Gore wooed the House minority leader, who eventually endorsed him. In the 2000 election, Gore increasingly relied on support from the AFL-CIO and began to sound more and more like Gephardt. And when Gore spoke to the delegates at the Florida convention in April, he did so in full Gephardt-style populist fashion. "I’ve had it," the vice-president said. "America’s economy is suffering unnecessarily. Important American values are being trampled. Special interests are calling the shots." Now, in their most recent reversal, Gephardt has become the hawk on Iraq, while Gore has been silent on the issue. Democratic observers are of two minds about the prospects of a final Gore-Gephardt match-up. On the one hand, they look forward to it as great political theater. "It certainly would be a clash of titans in a way," says one former Gephardt operative. But they also worry that such a contest would only weaken the Democrats. "I don’t think [Bush political strategist] Karl Rove could imagine a better scenario than those two guys squaring off," the Gephardt ally adds. Conventional wisdom holds that Gephardt would be easy grist for Democratic opponents and the Republican attack machine. Indeed, Mickey Edwards — a former Republican congressman from Oklahoma who entered Congress with both men, and who’s currently a professor at Harvard’s John F. Kennedy School of Government — is quick to criticize Gephardt for flip-flopping. "The funny thing about Dick Gephardt is that he has been all over the place in terms of his philosophy," Edwards says. "When I first met him he was considered a very moderate centrist Democrat, and then he moved very much to the left." Yet Gephardt, in many ways, is in a much better position to run for president than Gore is. Gephardt doesn’t have the baggage of a recent presidential run. (His 1988 effort has long been consigned to the ancient-history annals of presidential politics.) Plus, he is well placed to run as both a hawk on foreign policy and a lefty on economic issues, where Bush can be exploited — really, the only kind of Democratic candidacy that can win in 2004. "He has the potential to run as an economic populist, social moderate, and foreign-policy hawk, which is the best platform for a Democrat to run on in 2004," says Marshall Wittmann, a political analyst at the conservative-leaning Hudson Institute. "If Gore runs, Lieberman will not, which leaves the Scoop Jackson territory to Gephardt." And as far as the domestic left is concerned, Gephardt remains popular. "I think he’d be a great president," says Barry Bluestone, the director of the Center for Urban and Regional Policy at Northeastern University, and a former Gephardt adviser. "I think Dick Gephardt is one of the brightest people in Congress. I’m impressed with his understanding of the issues and broad progressive outlook. To me, we would have a broad debate about the major issues of the day — Social Security, health care, international trade, and international policy." It’s possible that, as some observers of presidential politics expect, Gore and Gephardt will cancel each other out. But the damage they do while battling could ruin their party’s chances in 2004. I don’t know if anyone watched MSNBC’s Scarborough Country the night they had the “Chief Shifty Swifty” John O’Neill was on pushing his evil book and doing his creepy bizzarro lying about Kerry. As usual, my husband was busy clicking around the channels when he just happened to hit on the show. I was just stunned and elated to watch as Lawrence O’Donnell let lose on that sinister O’Neill like a man possessed. He called (shouted) him a disgusting liar and his book a disgusting pack of lies! Boy did it feel good to see someone with some backbone finally stand up and say it loud, clear and like it really is! Anyhow, today on The McLaughlin Group O’Donnell told pompous Tony Blankley basically to stop the lying and shove it . . . .In no uncertain terms! This guy is on a roll and it feels good. Guess like all of us O’Donnell has finally had enough of this “Polite Wimpy Liberal *hit” and has decided to show all the Mean Spirited, Lying Rovian clones that liberals are going to start fighting back. Anyway, my friend emailed me to say freepers are writing and calling MSNBC in an effort to affect some sort of problems for O’Donnell. Email a few supportive lines to MSNBC about O'Donnell and pass the word on to as many others as you can. (Lawrence O'Donnell certainly deserves all our help in countering the freepers efforts.) viewerservices@msnbc.com feedback@msnbc.com http://www.allnaturaljugs.org/truetwinks/ I agree with you .
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