Oh me Morgana - wonderful!! You're clever use of words and imagery is amazing. You have me anticipating the next few weeks with mostly awe but a great deal of curiosity. Your use of catastrophic success was dead-on!

Thank you so much!

John Kerry has hired the woman who was fired because she had a Kerry sticker on her car. Now that's class.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-4495480,00.html

yaay Virgo!

All for purification.

Yep, load & lock, rock & roll. You sure hit the nail on the head Morgana, with the energy of this article. You are fantastic. BTW, Riverbend has a new post up, a review of F 9/11.

Everyone can work to defeat Bush - A Guide

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0437/defeatbush.php

Morgana,
Thanks for the article... I didn't see it 'til just now, having gone to bed early and slept in... the new Moon was exactly conj my nNeptune and affecting other planets in my chart... I still feel like a truck hit me!

You're so on the money about Gaia's fury... coupled with Virgo's sense of exactness... well, as you say, it's 'rock 'n roll' time... that chart you link to is a beaut!

The new moon... seeds of the energy of the full to come on the 28th? shortly after the equinox and Sun's movement into Libra...

Well, my knuckles are white and the ride has just started...

Sedate Virgo this one is not, right Morgana... more like the high priestess reading the oracle.

Wonderful Morgana music...

Dommael,
Welcome back! I too loved your kitten story... how are you doing? and are we going to be hearing from you now, or are you having to slip away again? New job? Circumstances? Do tell your friends here, we have missed your wonderful irreverence! So happy you are back.

bhakti!!!
Wonders! What hath the New Moon wrought? How in blue blazes... no, it doesn't matter how, only that your voice is returned to us once again... you have been missed for weeks now --- welcome, welcome back... and now, speak to us --- what do you see in Morgana's New Moon chart... in the oracle Virgo brings forth... ehhh?

Ohhh, how blessed we are... a new moon... new energy to fight these fascists... and the return of two friends...

March forth 'truth soldiers' --- right Garry?

Light to all

Hi all, Nice to be back.

What I mostly wanted to say while trapped in cyberspace and lurking are to those who start to bemoan Kerry and that he's not thier ideal and not doing it for you.......STOP IT. He's what we have to go with now. This is not a yuppie shopping spree and there are no choices between Prada or DKNY. I hear this too on Air America and I think these people are paid freepers. Or 'old way conciousness' people who want it 'all'. If we don't vote out the mean, malicious creep and that family of pure ego/evil we will never have a future for 'your' children and worse off our Earth. I don't have children of my own, I made the choice to be 'child-free' in this lifetime but will your children have that with all the spirit downing hand wringing? This is pure division and this needs to be put aside. I'm also prouda myself that I don't care about Prada either. Ours is a society gone mad. A few bucks in a pocket and sell their soul for a hotdog. Throw away your labels, your pre-concieved notions of how you want it to be and get into the *Now* and deal with *what is* and vote against Bush (hopefully not Nader-- a tired old whore).

Great article Morgana, hope Gaia cleans up some greed. Nothing worse than arrogant beggars, that's what some Americans have become. I have the same vibe that it's gonna hit Texas. Send light.

I wanted to ask this question before, that these
three (Charley Frances and Ivan) seemed to be a merc retrograde triplet thing. But normally, on the 3rd pass (Ivan) it isn't as hard hitting.
I hope i am making sense.
This might be premature, but it looks like Ivan
is no watered down storm. Landfall tomorrow and we shall see. I wonder why the pattern has changed, maybe it is the influence of all those other malefic aspects.
Nice post Morgana.

(I already posted much of this, but it never showed up. If it finally does find its way here, please excuse the duplication.)

Wonderful, Morgana! Just wonderful! And why are we not surprised?

If you can get into salon.com today, please do so. There is a great article on "The Mother of All Cover-Ups." I.e., the JFK assassination and coverup from which, I am firmly convinced, there are many threads that lead directly to the mess we are in today.

To Bhatki & Dommael: Welcome back, folks!

To Mike: You work on an offshore oil rig? (Accessed picture as you suggested.) I figured you were an MSW from back east.

I love the images you put on the screen Morgana, good article. Virgo is certainly nit-picky and the administration is certainly trying to cover all her bases aka Rove. I watched the Matt Lauer, White House driven, interview with Kitty Kelly. I wish so much that the next time one of these talking heads say "who did you vote for in the last election and who will you vote for now" the interviewee does what Kitty Kelly did and say "who did you vote for?" I am so sick of these people.

In Denver there was a big picture of the local God joke, sorry, jock John Elway with Bush and the talk shows were waxing and gushing over the picture and how many votes it might garner for Bush. I thought "well it will get several votes with the white guys who don't read." And that's the way I feel about this election.

Here is a link on an organized run to boycott CBS sponsors because of the Dan Rather 60 minutes Report, please go there and support those sponsors as a counterattack
http://s91935771.onlinehome.us/

Good news! It doesn't look like good news but it is. A top Democrat aide says the Kerry Campaign is in chaos http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/14/politics/main643438.shtml

And chaos is exactly where a Sag/Gemini with Virgo squares should be right now, because when they have the Libra trines their comeback will be more pronounced. Remember how the Bush campaign played on "low expectations of Bush" and we were supposed to give him a pass on that? The American people are rather a "push for the underdog" nation. We love them, it brings them down to our level. The talking heads are going after Kerry tooth and tong, a month of this and the nations psyche will be ready to say "wait a minute." Bill Clinton's campaign was in chaos at this point in time, course so was Michael Dukakis, but Kerry has better people now and after Mars passes the square to his Saturn over the next couple of days his frustration will blow and get him back on track. So hang on, the end of Sept. is coming.

I read DU and they give the email address to the TODAY show. I wrote an email to Matt Lauer about his hard hitting interview with KK and why was he not the same with the Liar Supreme. How he has slid down into being a hack journalist, in bed(ded) in Iraq and Katie now a morphed clone of the Cable blonde bimbos. I let him know about my extensive lists and how TODAY show is off forever in my home and that I will not buy anything from their advertisers.
But I was buying KK's book and advising my all clients to do the same. That's the only song they hear: Money.

Virgo Sun Henry Waxman has compiled this. God (ess) bless Virgo with that hint of Plutonian energy......

http://democrats.reform.house.gov/features/secrecy_report/pdf/pdf_secrecy_report.pdf

Morgana, I was struck by the remark you made in your article about the Saturn planetary line "running just inside Texas", and the seeming karmic elements in these storms. I couldn't help but think about the horrendous Galveston hurricane of 1900.

Not many people outside the state of Texas know many of the details, but the storm that hit Galveston on Sept 8, 1900 would have been classified as a category 4 storm. The sustained winds were estimated at between 130-140 MPH; the storm surge waves were 15-16 feet high (the highest point on the island at the time was about 8.5 feet above sea level). The estimated death toll was between 6,000-8,000 souls, making it the largest disaster in U.S. history. Also, it's worth noting that Galveston in 1900 was one of the most prosperous cities in the U.S. due to the huge shipping and importing industry that existed prior to that storm (it surpassed Houston at the time). It never regained its place in the shipping/importation industry and really only exists as a vacation destination.

I'm not an astrologer, though I dabble around the edges. Is there some way that at a comparison could be done between Ivan and the storm of 1900? There are numerous links via Google that relate historical facts and first-hand accounts from survivors and aid workers that arrived on the island in the aftermath. I guess I'm just wondering if there is any kind of karmic link.

I hope this hasn't bored everyone.

Great article!

I had the same vibe too with regard to the hurricane. I think it's gonna hit Texas. My sister was evacuated from new Orleans late last night.

Morgana has aptly named her article, and this time “Season of the Storm” --- What do we do in the throes of a storm...? ‘batten down the hatches’...! lest unwanted things fly in, and valued things fly out...

My grgrandmother used to say “don’t believe anything you hear, and only half of what you see” ... she was referring to gossipy-type folk, but it has taken almost a lifetime to understand her meaning. So, whatever you do, however you center yourself... this is the time to grab hold and do it... or... let go?!

-------

The Way of Emptiness

We are the children of this beautiful planet that we have lately seen photographed from the moon. We were not delivered into it by some god, but have come forth from it. We are its eyes and mind, its seeing and its thinking. And the earth, together with the sun, this light around which it flies like a moth, came forth, we are told, from a nebula; and that nebula, in turn, from space. So that we are the mind, ultimately, of space... each in his own way, at one with all and with no horizons. ---- Joseph Campbell

[can ya’ dig it?]

There is a straight ladder
from the atom to the
grain of sand, and the only
real mystery is the missing rung.
Below it, particle physics.
Above it, classical physics.
But in between, metaphysics.

- Playwright, Tom Stoppard in his spy drama ‘Hapgood’

All this talk about Freepers made me want to go to some of the right wing forums and post nasty comments to make them angry. I know it's childish - but I need to get rid of some anger. Stupid idea really - it would probably just make me angrier!

Anyway - it won't happen. I went to SwiftVets.com. I couldn't post without registering. So - I click to register and the first thing I see is a warning that "moderators of this forum will attempt to remove or edit any generally objectionable material as quickly as possible" and "The IP address of all posts is recorded to aid in enforcing these conditions. You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators of this forum have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic at any time should they see fit. As a user you agree to any information you have entered above being stored in a database."

Quite a change from this site! I guess they are all for free speach as long as you say what they want to hear.

Sounds like they got a lot of response that they didn't want to get.
Most sites moderate their postings, but I can only imagine that the swiftboats lie website gets more than their share of negative reactions.
As long as you keep it clean, i think you should post there if you want.
m

Swiftvets.com sounds like Fascism personified... those reading the posts are probably not aware that the site is 'censored' and dissent is threatened with reprisal... makes one ponder on which agency of the Neandercon beastie gov't has its tentacles on the site... ehh, strange times we live in...

Suzieliberal, don't allow your entity to be sullied with the things of those folk... vent your anger, though... visit dKos, esp. today... where you will discover (remember the 'ownership' piece by one of the diarist?):

1)They are listening by kos
Wed Sep 15th, 2004 at 15:54:27 GMT

2)Bush's imaginary conversations by kos
Wed Sep 15th, 2004 at 15:30:12 GMT

Well, Bush continues to lose it. and

3)[here's where you can vent and email your Congressional Delegation and the media]

Ethics committee postpones DeLay investigation
by kos Wed Sep 15th, 2004 at 16:40:18 GMT

Kos (Markos) has been busy collecting... and we can help... by reading and then 'rocking 'n rolling' --- the Virgoan way... peace

Jo
where are the links to the "by Kos"
things you are talking about?
I agree with you about using your energy wisely that's why i don't like
anti ***h bumperstickers. you're still blazing the name for all to see.

You are so right - I want to play offense - not defense! (Take that John Elway!!) I got an e-mail from MoveOn.org asking me to:

Urge your Senators to:

"Please co-sponsor Senator Ensign's 'Voting Integrity and
Verification Act,' # S 2437."

Urge your Representative to:

"Please co-sponsor Rep. Holt's 'Voter Confidence and
Increased Accessibility Act,' # HR 2239."

Just called all three - I feel much better! I've mentioned before that I am a computer programmer - and having electronic voting without a paper trail scares me like crazy!!!

My apologizies, Mimi ---

http://www.dailykos.com

articles are posted all through the day, so you may have to scroll down...

I agree about the energy... rather like the 'Harry Potter' concept of "he whose name may not be spoken" !!

Scares me also, Suzieliberal, so I'm voting by absentee ballot... hard copy, PAPER...

Both funny and wise--thanks, Morgana. And great comments, all.

OK I thought of a smart-ass remark and just have to post it:

Bush and the Republicans in Congress all strongly support the rights of gay couples to own AK-47s.

SusieLiberal, I'm a mainframe systems programmer we still vote marking a paper ballot in Santa Cruz. We all know the voting machines are a catastrophic success!

Susan the thought has crossed my mind to build a hurricane astrology database more than once. I'm an armchair meteorologist my son says I missed my calling.

Degree'd in journalism, career computer systems...retirement ???

Jo all hps's should read oracles dontcha think?

Oh, Sally, I'm a hanging. By my fingernails at this point, but I'm a hanging.

Morgana, fabulous article. And yes, the storm is coming, for the Bushies I hope.

Sundown today begins observance of Rosh Hashanah for posters and readers of the Jewish faith... As I understand it, observance is four-fold: It is the Day of Judgement: As Jews worldwide examine their past deeds and asks for forgiveness for their sins. It is the Day of Shofar Blowing:
As the Shofar (the rams horn)is blown in temple to herald the beginning of the 10 day period known as the High Holy Days. It is the Day of Remembrance: As Jews review the history of their people and pray for Israel. And of course it is New Year's Day.

While I am not Jewish, the 'time' speaks to me of reflection and new beginnings... light and blessings to those observing Rosh Hashanah.

New Moon Morgana~!

It is the season of the storm, isn't it? I had a dream last night that me and my girlfriend were in barrels on the ocean when words flashed in the sky: "My sanctuary is the place where we don't worry about worrying about the things that make us fight that we worry about being worried about."

I've been eagerly waiting for some time for the machinations of our legal system to grind the villains, lackeys, cronies and pawns of this government beurocracy. I saw "control room" last night and I think it is even better than F~911. There can be little doubt to any sane, rational person that all of the upper tiers of the Bush administration deserve to be incarcerated for the rest of their lives. It is appalling how effectively the hearts and minds of Americans have been manipulated by people with no conscience. Mind~numbingly appalling.

Chiron was a centaur, right? The centaur has a very particular role in the human psyche, sometimes as a near~supernatural teacher and introducer of mystic and learned ways. I get the impression that the press and the public are about to get a major crash course in how prosecutions against government figures function. All I can say is when their actions catch up with them (and they will) they need to answer for their crimes. No pardon for Bush, and the way that happens is in a large part from public perception and opinion. If the truth about half of what is said about the Bush Family Evil Empire is true, this is indeed going to be like Caligula coming apart at the seams.

Namaste, folks ~ and good to see you bhakti!!!
~D

Sally, Jo, Shylurker ~ howdy!

Susan, my father is from Texas City, I've heard stories about the Galveston hurricane my entire life.
~D

Had to run out, just got to the "They're listening" on Daily Kos. That is so great. So the campaign is watching people's posts! That's awesome. Democracy in action!

Morgana - I'm also a mainframe programmer. COBOL/DB2 or IDMS. Sometimes CICS. How are you finding the job market. I had to move back to Indiana to be closer to my 79 year old Mother, now I'm unemployed. My life has really been downhill since 2000. I hope I'm close to hitting my low point, so things can start looking up. For some reason I have this feeling if Kerry gets in, my luck will change.

snip--

What few people realize about George W. Bush is that it takes balls to be him - it takes balls to go to room full of intellectuals in
Cambridge, sit in class without a clue, blast the poor, and call John Steinbeck a commie. The same kind of balls it took to invade Iraq and
get the nation into an open-ended war when the whole world told him over and again that it was a terrible idea.

more...
http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/19888/

SuzieLiberal,
Drop me an email seawitch@pacbell.net

I work for a mainframe software developer maintaining their mainframes. Let's network.

Jo -

Yom Kippur is the day of judgment-day of atonement. Rosh Hashanah is the Jewish new year.

I believe that once we really straighten out the voting system, we will go the Oregon way. Oregon votes by mail, and it takes care of all of the machines and polling place problems. It's probably 10x better than the way we are doing it now: no renting out spaces, no harrassment of voters at the polls, no long lines, no funky machines. As long as the voting period is long enough to take care of reasonbly mailed votes, and they also use collection boxes, why not?

Susan, the 1900 Galveston hurricane had Chiron at 19 Sag and Pluto in conj. that point again. Moon and Uranus squared from Pisces to Sag. at 8 degrees (violent mother earth) and Mercury is at 7 degrees Virgo today, setting up an applying T-square to that Moon/Uranus. These kind of aspects make me feel like mother earth is sending one of her messages. Also on these aspects Jeannie is starting to form. And the final connection is TJupiter is squaring the 1900 Saturn.

Thanks for that data Susan This is pretty interesting and it's also interesting that of all the hurricanes over the last 100 years that one would pop up in your mind, particularly given the astrological connections from now back to then.

Carol, how I wish they were doing that in Florida. Glenda Hood, who took over from Katherine Harris, is just as bad as her predecessor. At least for now Nader is off the ballot again and it will go to the FL Supreme Court on Friday. The FL Supreme Court is wonderfully progressive for the most part, put in by Lawton Chiles. So who knows, they may decide that Nader has a right to be on the ballot since they are for inclusion, not exclusion. So this one may go against us who want Nader off the ballot. We shall see.

Plus there can be no recounts with the machines here, what the machine says at the end of the day is what it is. No way to check votes. Just ludicrous.

Susan,
I apologize if my comments are inaccurate or misleading... it would be arrogant of me to claim to be an authority on the subject, which I don't. My post was an effort to pass along greetings... light...

Perhaps you can give me clarity here? My Jewish friends have explained Yom Kippur to me as the Day of Atonement... This day is, essentially, your last appeal, your last chance to change the judgment, to demonstrate your repentance and make amends.

I had always heard Rosh Hashanah expressed as the Jewish Year Year... and I googled it up to be sure. Several sites stated that the holy days are four-fold, and that is what I was referring to above. This is one site in particular:
http://www.holidays.net/highholydays/

Again, I apologize for my arrogance in attempting to define something I am not thoroughly acquainted with... and again, my intent was to send light and blessings for Rosh Hashanah... hopefully I have not offended you.

Peace

OK, so I swore I wouldn't be back for awhile but a compelling question has forced me out of the shadows.

I have been following the Docu-drama regarding Bush's National Guard Service records and Dan Rather's part in exposing them. The last few days have found that venerable old reporter under severe fire and today Congressional action is being threatened against him and CBS.

Has anyone had either time or inclination to look at a chart for Mr. Rather to determine if it is confidence or pigheadedness that is making him hold his ground? I would prefer that Mr. Rather is making one last stand against a slippery Chief Exec than to have his career come crashing down because of hubris!

Would appreciate anyone's answer. I promise Jo....I won't stay long! Just kidding.

Cut and paste Rather's Data:

DAN RATHER (OCT 31, 1931, 06:13:00 PM CST, +06:00, 096W06, 29N19, Wharton, TX)

Absolutely amazing, THEY are demanding congressional action on CBS but not a peep out of THOSE people regarding the leaking of Valerie Plame's name, which is a matter of national security.

I'm in a nightmare that I must awaken from.

Thanks Morgana, for a hard-hitting (no pun intended) article. It will be very interesting to see which path this storm decides to take.

As I've mentioned before, I believe that hurricanes are the end result of mass disturbances in thought vibrations.

Visualize tens of thousands of people, maybe even millions (as ancillary recipients of earnings, revenue, stock portfolios), intently focused on greed, grabbing assets from another sovereign nation to enrich themselves, and even condoning torture.

Add to this hideous brew an absolute conviction of their beliefs, and a steadily escalating hostility towards others. What we are seeing now is a complete demasking of these people. The thin veneer of co-operation is gone.

There is absolutely no way these people can have any form of happiness. There was an article about Bill O'Really in a recent Parade magazine. He apparently went on a river rafting trip down the Grand Canyon with some "close" friends.

In every single photo, Bill was frowning. I thought to myself, "how can someone be in such a beautiful place, and not feel happy?"

That's the price Bill has to pay for spending the last 20 years perfecting his hateful, mean thoughts. just my humble opinion.

Jo,
I call the day of atonement the day of 'at-one-ment'. I do not buy into the old time religion thinking that I'm judged. As a Hindjew ;) I think that at-one-ment is communication with God within on a daily basis is all we need. When the Blue Pearl and the OM is revealed in meditation and the electrical currents of the Goddess as the Kundalini Shakti shimmers it's excasty throughout your body you will know that you are God too, you will bow to yourself and all that exists with it's own shimmering ecstacy. This is why I KNOW that GW and his cronies and much of society is full of it and use religion as heirarchy. There is no respect when you are harming anyone else because we are all connected by this shimmering energy the ancients called Satchidananda=Truth, Bliss and Conciousness. Each moment is at-one-ment when we are awakened.
God is not outside of us. Only people judge for God energy is only this Bliss.

Anne,
After lurking for a while I do not get (and I went back to re-read) where Jo said anything to you that was at all negative or mean and you keep picking on her. I believe all of us here on AW owe Jo a great deal of respect and gratitude. She is so generous with her astute and highly awakened observations and her links to news articles that she shares. So please knock it off. I am not amused by the passive-aggressive snide jokes. Not cool and it makes me wonder why you picked her out for this?

As for Dan Rather, pigheadedness? I hardly think so. He seems like the only integral journalist left and not a shill for the RW. Bravo.

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this article yet so posting it here:
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2004/09/14/a_medical_cause_for_bushisms/

Is Bush showing the early signs of Alzheimers?

Expecting effects of Ivan here in N.Alabama - the weather reports of the oncoming storm have been taking the place of regular TV all day ... but the local news channels are making an exception for the CBS Dan Rather stuff .. even interviews from local residents asking them not just about the weather conditions but if they intend to boycott CBS sponsors for supporting what they are saying were "lies against our President" ... sickening! Maybe Ivan will blow us back to the real universe we once inhabited ... not this alternative universe place that seems to have swallowed us up 4 years ago! I'll just click my heels and wish myself back to the real world that seems to have disappeared! How much more crazy can this all get??

Please catch 60 Minutes II TODAY. Dan Rather has more...

I've been thinking about Teilhard de Chardin the last few days. Funny, because I think I last read one of his books a good 10 years ago. I have the sense of the formation of his Noosphere speeding up. Perhaps it is the constant visuals of hurricanes over the last month that triggered the association? In any case, I wonder if the internet is the physical manifestation of the Noosphere, or simply one enabling step in the
series?

what a pleasure to have bhakti back!!!

i'm involved with this pluto/sagitarius energy since pluto is now atop my jupiter (R at birth). i'm internalizing this stuff and it's interesting. i think that we're in the eye of the storm which morganna so beautifully described; and its about to move on. just remember, in normal people world (NPW), the campaign is just underway. they're looking and lurking. they will do the right thing!!!

speaking of lurking: "To Mike: You work on an offshore oil rig? (Accessed picture as you suggested.) I figured you were an MSW from back east." that's no oil rig, that's art!!! it's also the wrong photo, so check out the right answer below. (((what the heck is a "MSW"???))) i'm 'back east' for sure but got there years ago from 'out west' (CA)

Morgana - Lovely, lovely piece!! I hadn't even realized the Sun/Mars conjunction brought the relegalization of the AK47's. How appropriate. I will have to add that one to my Timeline.

I don't think the chaos in the Kerry campaign is good at all, but I do think it relates to his current Saturn/Moon woes. That is a very stressful progression when a person has the natal conjunction.

Happy Rosh Hashanah everybody. I made my own Rosh Hashanah service with the family of my candidate. Ummm...they're Catholic. They had a romp of a good time listening to me try to explain the prayers, but then I had my revenge and got them boozied up on Manischevitz!!!

Anyway, a bunch of new music came in the mail today. Delerium, Gabriel & Dresden, and Ian Van Dahl. I'm listening to the new remix of Silence right now (performed by Sarah Mclachlan), and it really captures the new mood we are all in. For those of you who know what I'm talking about, it's more chill than the Airscape remix but intense in a much more subtle way.

I just wanted to say that I have had quite enough of all this nonsense about Bush and Kerry's service records. It's time to get back to the issues. I hope the astrological forecasts encourage as much. You know, if you stop and think about it for long enough, you realize that none of this dispute really matters. We ALL know for certain that Kerry was in Vietnam and that Bush was not. This point is itself a sufficient contrast between the two candidates, and in the end, it is all that undecided voters are going to come away with.

Is there a sign or an aspect or a particular angle that favors distractions?

Dan Rather's sister was my high school English teacher in Klein, Texas (NW Houston suburbs) back in the day. I can't speak for Dan, but his sister is no fool!!! Hopefully this is only the beginning of the tide, Bush's empire has reached it's fullest expansion and will continue shrinking rapidly~!
~D

Anne on Dan Rather: the answer is pig-headedness and I am pretty sure his detractors will end up with egg on their face. and they had better be careful with Dan, his Pluto is 22 Cancer and Saturn is still conjuncting (two very powerful and stubborn signs) and Pluto trines his Venus which rules his 1st house. An lord a mighty, this new moon sextiled it all. Karl Rove and the Republican Party have caught themselves a real live tiger by the tail and I bet they thought it was a puddy cat.

Sibohan you stay safe there in Alabama

Dave, I want to wish you a very happy Rosh Hashanah, and want you to know that I went to a synagogue service with a friend today.

Mike - PLUTO ATOP YOUR JUPITER WHICH IS IN SAGITTARIUS? Wow, that is big time spiritual shift and could indicate very very big money. Abundance at all levels in spades, inner and outer.

I hate to say it but Iam kind of discouraged.
It seems that Neptune on the cusp of the US third and the new moon on Neptune is conncected with the CBS storey.

That kind of distraction we dont need right now.

And this new moon falls square Kerrys Saturn with Mars also square his Saturn.

The only good thing I see here, and it may not be a small thing is a new moon with mercury opposite Uranus not only means (current episode with Ivan which started with Charley as Mercury went staionary opposite Uranus), but a likly change in the direction of the stock market.
Since spring the market has closely correlated with how Bush was doing in the Polls. If Iam right about the market and it is about to go down for the next 4 to 6 weeks and this correlation in the polls continues maybe our guy is about to have a bit of a surge.

However at this point it seems almost like we need the next new moon which will trine Kerrys Saturn and is the one that counts as it is the one going into the election.That it is an eclipse new moon and falls on the Bush fourth house cusp is indicative of a major ending occuring in Bush's life.

Hang on this next month is not going to be easy.

You know, I really missed something in my "dicouragement post" which just shows how all of us seems to be forgetting given Ivan and the CBS storey is that Iraq is going up in flames.

Any day now the Green zone could be penetrated and carnage done to the so called interm goverment and even the American embassy.

That this is occuring as Sun Mars falls on the ninth house US netpune is indicative of a foreign policy that is in disaray.

But will it matter? I dont know. It is becoming clear that the war over there is probably lost and the Iraqi goverment is not going to be able to hang on indefnetly but It does not seem any one cares given the way of the American news cycles.

Don't be discouraged Chas, April and October are never kind to the US economy because the Aries and Libra ingress squares all the US Cancer and both those months have always been difficult. That said, in Oct. and bad news with the economy (and it could be pretty bad with Saturn opposing the US Pluto in the 2nd) is going to fall on
Bush, setting up an opportunity for Kerry/Edwards, if they just know how to take advantage. Whatever happen to the people in the US that makes them unhappy it's the leaders who get the flack.

"The only thing we have to fear is all this incessant talk of fear itself"

Terrorists? Cars Kill Far More People
By Bart Kosko

Just what is the evidence for this alleged terrorist threat that now dominates foreign affairs and the presidential election? The third anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks on the Pentagon and New York's World Trade Center has come and gone without any terrorist attacks in the United States. No terrorists attacked the Olympics in Greece. And the big statistical picture of terrorism has changed little in years.

Deaths because of terrorism worldwide have increased a bit lately (especially after the school attack in Russia), but the number still remains on the order of about a thousand deaths a year, according to the State Department -- a small fraction of the 15,000 or so murders each year in the United States, or the 40,000 who die in car accidents.

The Bush administration and many others interpret these facts as proof that the government is winning its ``war on terror.''

And they may be right. It's conceivable that there would have been some attacks by now if not for the government's stepped-up security at home and its vigorous anti-terrorism efforts abroad. We don't know. We do know that studies of our statistical competency show both that we systematically overestimate the probability of vivid, high-profile threats such as shark bites and terrorist bombings and that we poorly estimate the probability of less glamorous dangers such as highway fatalities. The comparative absence of terrorism could just as easily (and I believe, more reasonably) support the very different conclusion that we have grossly overestimated the terrorist threat.

We may be ``winning'' a war against terrorism simply because there are few terrorists out there posing a serious threat to the United States. We may have traded substantial civil liberties and international goodwill in the last three years for a lot more security than we need.

Answering these questions involves a subtle type of formal reasoning called negative evidence: Sometimes a search that finds nothing is evidence that there is nothing.

The strength of the negative evidence depends on the size and complexity of the search area. For instance, we have good negative evidence that there is no Loch Ness monster because no sonar sweep of the Scottish lake has found such a creature. We have less good negative evidence that there is no Bigfoot because we have not fully searched the larger and more complex area of pine forests in Northern California.

The war in Iraq gives a telling example of negative evidence. The Bush administration has said, in effect, that it is better to be safe than sorry, not just with regard to weapons of mass destruction in Iraq but with terrorist threats at home. The trouble is that all bureaucracies have a well-known incentive to over-rely on being safe rather than sorry.

A related problem is that terrorists have an incentive to exaggerate their strength in order to frighten their opponents and to attract recruits. The result is an inadvertent global equilibrium where governments play it safe by overestimating the terrorist threat, while the terrorists oblige by overestimating their power.

The bottom line is this: There will always be terrorists and legitimate efforts to catch and kill them. But meanwhile, the bigger statistical threat comes from the driver next to you who is talking on the cell phone.

BART KOSKO teaches probability and statistics at the University of Southern California. He wrote this column for the Los Angeles Times.

Sally, Morgana, anyone..

Hope this isn't a weird question, but so much has been talked about the astrological correlation between Watergate/Nixon and the current occupiers; is there anything indicating that the 60 Minutes/Dan Rather flap over the authenticity of the document may turn into something more along those lines? I don't know, maybe I'm getting too paranoid, but something is strange about this whole thing and it crossed my mind as soon as the story came out that what if Rove or someone in the RNC planted that letter to discredit the story and the DNC... Sorry, I told it you was a weird idea...

From reading other astrological insights, it was said that it would be an extremely difficult time for W from the 8th to the 20th due to Sun-Mars-Pluto square Uranus in his chart. Unless things are happening behind closed doors, I sure don't see anything sticking...as usual...

Forging Ahead with the "60 Minutes" Flap
Faking left, throwing right? The press, after a wild and sometimes wacky week, needs to take a deep breath and sort out fact from fiction as the CBS controversy grows more curious every day.

By Greg Mitchell

(September 15, 2004) -- This has got to be one of my all-time favorite headlines, posted Wednesday over a New York Times article on the paper's Web site: "Memos on Bush Are Fake but Accurate, Typist Says."

You can't make this stuff up (or, come to think of it, maybe you can).

For some reason that headline didn't pass muster for print, where the story, focusing on the typist for Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, purported author of the memos, carried a different topper. But the sentiment resurfaced a few pages later in a Nicholas Kristof column that raised questions about the military records acquired by "60 Minutes," then warned "we shouldn't be distracted by our doubts about the CBS documents. There's no doubt that Mr. Bush benefited from favoritism."

Later on Wednesday, Andrew Heyward, head of CBS News, did the two-step himself, staunchly defending the "60 Minutes" report, then promising to vet it once again.

This climaxes a wild week of media response to the landmark (one way or the other) "60 Minutes" segment on President Bush's military service or lack of. This week, CBS, taking a cue from John Kerry, has adopted the rope-a-dope strategy, hoping against hope that its opponents will punch themselves out, and thus give poor Dan Rather a chance for a surprise comeback, or at least survival.

Unlike many letter writers out there, I still have an open mind on whether the documents are real, partly real, or made up out of whole cloth. One correspondent informed me that the forgery has been "universally accepted." One can easily guess the nature of that universe.

more:

http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/columns/pressingissues_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000630849

This is getting really low...I can't believe this... well, actually I can as it fits right in with all the other oppressive things they are doing to prevent us from voicing our dissent:

Trudeau: Drop-'Doonesbury' Poll Was 'Unfair'

By Dave Astor

Published: July 22, 2004

NEW YORK Garry Trudeau said an "unfair process" led to a vote to drop his "Doonesbury" comic from a consortium of 38 newspapers.

These mostly Southeast papers carry a Sunday comics section produced by Continental Features, whose president polled Continental clients to see if they wanted "Doonesbury" pulled. Of the 36 that had a preference, 21 voted yes and 15 no.

"The popularity of individual comic strips naturally waxes and wanes, and newspaper lineups will naturally reflect the evolving preferences of editors and readers," said Trudeau, in an e-mail response to an E&P request for comment. "Moreover, a consortium of papers will reflect those tastes imperfectly, a price the individual papers pay for joining it. However, in this case, 'Doonesbury' was singled out for internal polling because of the views of a single individual; other competing strips were not put to the same test. In this way, one opinion drove a process that eliminated the strip from 38 newspapers across the entire region, including 15 papers that wanted to keep it."

One of the 15 was The Anniston (Ala.) Star. Trudeau said: "I greatly appreciate the Star's speaking out against such an unfair process, asserting its right and responsibility to put in front of its readers a diversity of opinion. This seems particularly important during a time of war, with all its grave implications to public life."

The cartoonist concluded: "Some years ago, the armed services paper Stars and Stripes received some criticism for carrying 'Doonesbury.' Shortly thereafter, the paper dedicated an entire page to responses from military personnel, almost all in support of the strip. Even some who didn't care for 'Doonesbury' or its politics felt the strip should remain. More than most citizens, it seems, professional soldiers give a great deal of thought to what it is they're defending. A free press that welcomes dissenting views is one of those ideals."

more....

http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/search/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000583669

What a relief being here.

I live in Denver and I DON'T LIKE JOHN ELWAY--Can't stand his mouth. I will never buy a car from one of his 1000 dealerships here... nor will I set foot in his new steakhouse.
The good news is Kerry will be here Friday.

I havn't had a TV for 30 years... I'm still in the real universe.

I think you are right, Sally, about the Kerry comeback-- equal and opposite. It should be one great FLIP FLOP.

I also have tPluto on my Jupiter and a large sum of money just plopped into my life.

What absolutely amazes me is that with a brutal attack all throughout the month of August, a crucifixion at the Republican convention, then further attack from the whole country from both Repugs and Dems, Kerry is still standing and is even in the polls. Ain't that something? Nothing like a strong leader.

You all should check out Kerry's speech on C-Span -- Detroit, Sept. 15-- on his economic plan. It's as clear as a bell.

Let's just wait until October. I have a gut feeling something major is going to happen. Probably the economy is going to go bust. Heck, it aint all that wonderful at this point in time.

Anyway, I just found my chart. It says my Saturn is in Virgo. What's that mean?

Patricia

Mark's at it again:

http://www.sfgate.com/columnists/morford/

Patricia, what degree and house? Saturn in Virgo taken alone means that you structure you life in a precise manner. You feel if you handle the details, the rest will follow. You like hands-on responsibility best (micro-managing even better) Your nervous system may affect your knees and bones.

I also think Saturn in Virgo indicates agreat desire to find meaningful, useful work.

Oh dear. I'm really dumb about charts. I'm looking at it now. The astrologer wrote all over it. It has the symbol for Saturn in 8th house, then 03(degrees?) then symbol for Virgo 06. Out from this on sidebar is Trop - +1 degree 21'. ???

It was 10 years ago that I had this chart done. I really should do some study. Have always been fascinated by astrology (I garden by the signs, and pay great attention to the phases of the moon for everyday living.)

Patricia

Saturn/Virgo... and some delays and disappointments, maybe, along the way to finding the perfect job...difficulty in setting the exact effort required for perfect results (maybe over-working), but ultimate success.

Hmmm. Interesting about the knees and bones. I am getting arthritis in my knees. Guess I inherited this from my mother. As far as jobs go, I have worked for the same company for 24 years. Before that I worked 11 years for an insurance company. Must be due to my plug along Capricorn ascendant.

By the way, my Sun is in Libra and my Moon in Aries. I have 4 planets in fire signs. No wonder I have such a temper. But, I take a lot of blather before I explode. Then, it's over as quickly as it came.

Enough about me. I keep thinking about Kerry and wonder if what some people say is true. That is he was picked by the "powers that be" to run against Bush. They didn't want Dean to run as he wouldn't do their bidding. Kerry will. At any rate, if Kerry is still in the race, will have to vote for him.

Patricia

Who is most likely to meet their campaign promises? Go vote (we're doing really good on this one):

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/

Shylurker...........to repeat mike's plea......
What the heck is a MSW? Inquiring minds really want to know! lol

Masters of Social Work.

You kow, we are truly living in the Twighlight Zone when Congress threatens actions against a journalist for a news report but doesn't read the Patriot Act that effectively shreds the Constitution.

When there is a big flap about whether or not a president did his whole duty in the Natioanal Guard, but the fact that he sat in a classroom for 11 minutes (and THEN stayed for PHOTOS!) while the country was under attack gets almost no press.

And that he took us to WAR based on lies about WMD and then makes JOKES about it at a benefit to raise MONEY - we just are living in a nightmare. This is insanity.

I hope we DO have a Civil War. I want to live free of these incredible stupid people who can't see what's happening to our country.

Grrrr!

That's these incredibLY stupid people who can't see what's happening to our country.

I must have some big Mars stuff going on. I feel like I'm going to explode. This is just beyond incomprehensible.

Sally.....Thank you very much.

Jo, I apologise for my comment a few threads back. I see now that it was a misunderstanding.

In friendship, Christina

This poll is being freeped (wait'll you see the responses). Please go vote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/

How bad do I need to expect things to get with a 2nd house cancer n.moon (21 degree) conj. t.saturn (24 degree) square 5th house n.jupiter 25 degree libra? My heart sank when I saw this at Astrodienst. Last year my astrologer didn't make any mention of it coming up. I hope it's okay to ask.

Jo, I didn't mean to have you think that I thought your remarks were arrogant. I just thought you'd gotten the two events mixed up.
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Regarding the Dan Rather-CBS flap, I heard yesterday that Killian's 80+ year-old former secretary said the memos were not legitimate, BUT THE CONTENTS CORRECTLY REFLECTED KILLIAN'S THOUGHTS ON THE BUSH MATTER! She further confirmed that Killian had maintained personal files that contained documents that would corroborate everything that the CBS memos purport.

If you recall, when CBS first issued the statement about the docs, they indicated that they had additional information that corroborated the veracity of the memos. In other words, other sources that pointed to the legitimacy of the claims made in the memos if not the actual authentication of the memos themselves.
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If anyone hasn't seen this sobering piece from Wm. Rivers Pitt, it's worth a read. It seems very plain that immediately after the election, the current administration plans a major escalation of the war in Iraq. The former military personnel who voice their opinions in this piece have said this war is over. We've lost - everyone here knew that before the first bomb was dropped - but they claim this is far, far worse then Vietnam. It's also chilling to read about the deep demoralization ongoing within the Pentagon. It's clear that they know this is a disaster and it it is irrecoverable, but they are trapped in this situation unless they stage a coup. What are the chances of that?

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091704Y.shtml

Cliss,
Don't give it a second thought... Peace

Susan,
No, No, I was the one suggesting I was arrogant... I never felt you implied that... it simply occurred to me that I could have simply said "Happy New Year" without talking about something I know next to nothing about...

Peace, Jo

Abilene,
tr Saturn was in opposition to my MC, Sun, NNode, Mercury and progressed Venus during this year.
I learned to use Saturn's wisdom to anchor the Father = 'provider for myself' energy in my home studio. Saturn in the 4th has been so quiet as I let go of many outside distractions and focused within. My meditations got deeper, my home environment more minimal so I could concentrate and focus on listening to myself and witnessing my thoughts. We can make choices from the bad/good of a transit for they are all lessons on Earth School anyway and go beyond the chart with our own positive thought waves. I use the shadow aspects to find where I need more light in the land of Everyman(person).
Saturn can be a friend instead of fear. My own developed Father (not Big Daddy) energy has never felt so solid.

Just had a discussion with my healer friend/Interfaith minister who writes books on themes of Unity. We got into a debate when she said 'Bush is going to win'. First off found out how uninformed she is on all the news we get here on Astroworld and other great news sources on the web. Then I told her she needs to stop being stuck in prediction mode, coz truly, do we really know what God/ess/ universal All That energy wants? If we say we do, that's being stuck in ego mode. We can make our choices between good and better, to see the US as Blue/Purple and shift that stuckness to shift the collective.

Laurie, I recall it was you who had the dream of the Blue Map and how grateful I feel for that amazing image that has set us all on fire. I tell people wherever I go. Many blessings.

Happy New Year to all

Susan,
About the Guard records: it's my belief that the reason the Repugs jumped on this so quickly as a 'forged' document is that they know the records were purged of those and other documents... by Dan Bartlett and Karen Hughes leading up to the 2000 election... when they visited the TANG...

Also, re the combat in Iraq... google up Gen Zinni and view his most recent comments... he calls it a failure Period.

Now the Neandercons are swaggering about threatening to attack 'nuclear Iran' --- don't believe they will, though, because Iran will be difficult to invade... they haven't been under sanctions for more than 12 years... and they are ready... they seem to be giving permission for Sharon to strike... I don't know --- it's very difficult to read...

Visited the library and checked out Gore Vidal's last of his trilogy --- "Imperial America" Reflections on the United States of Amnesia... ["We learn nothing because we remember nothing."]
The other two of the three are: "Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace" and its sequel "Dreaming, War"... excerpts of both are online... very good reading. Will report back on what he says in the third epistle... anyone else read --- have any comments on them?

WV, please note this - and others with Congressmen in CA and PA etc. see below:

Recall the Ethics Committee stall on Delay? Well, it appears Delay may get the whole thing shelved. See kos article at link and note the names of Congresspersons to contact. The Demo from West Virginia is supporting Delay (what the hey, prob got some of Delay's money in his pocket!) and recruiting others... http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/16/131638/490

Anything by Gore Vidal is excellent; or, everything by Gore Vidal is excellent. He's a cousin of Al Gore, too, you know.

Also, he and Jacqueline Bouvier had the same step-father (at different times, of course): Hugh Auchincloss. And if you can find them there are a couple of wonderful pictures of Gore Vidal, Tennessee Williams and JFK at Hyannis Port.

THE PRIVATIZING OF AMERICAN ELECTIONS

Long before Bev Harris and her current revelations of Black Box voting, there was a fascinating study called VOTESCAM, The Stealing of America written by two brothers, James M. and Kenneth F. Collier, journalists who were interested in who actually counts the votes that we cast in a presidential year; other times as well. The Colliers quote Dr. Howard Strauss, who sounded the alarm on Dan Rather’s CBS Evening News. Strauss, a Princeton computer science professor, warned:

The presidential election of 1992, without too much difficulty and with little chance of the felons getting caught, could be stolen by computers for one candidate or another. The candidate who can win by computer has worked far enough ahead to rig the elections by getting his “consultants” to write the software that suns thousands of vote-counting computers from coast to coast. There are so many computers that use the same software now that a presidential election can be tampered with — in fact, may already be tampered with. Because of trade secrecy, nobody can be the wiser.

In movie-land this is known as a high-concept-thriller plot line. Of course, if it is true...
It is true that in 1988, at the time of the New Hampshire primary (unexpectedly won by Bush Senior and lost by Sen. Dole) an unofficial private corporation, News Election Services (NES), had actual physical control of the counting of the vote, we are told, and “it refuses to let the public know how it is done.” The history of NES arouses suspicion. It was created in 1964 shortly after JFK’s murder in order, according to the Colliers, to control the conspiracy theories about Dallas. AP, UPI, CBS, NBC, ABC, and CNN got “from Congress the exclusive franchise to count the vote in every state.” Yet, magically, without a single actual vote counted, NES on election night proclaims the Presidency just minutes after the polls close while Voter Research and Surveys (VRS), used by a consortium of media that covers exit polls, proclaims the Presidency even before the polls close. The Colliers note that in 1989 “the networks finally admitted that a consortium was formed in which ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN would pool their ‘resources’ to conduct exit polls;” and VRS was born. Interestingly, VRS and NES “both filter their numbers through the same mainframe computer located on New York City’s 34th Street.” When the Colliers tried to find out just how the polling was done, Warren Mitofsky, chief of the exit-polling division at CBS, stonewalled them with the mantra: “This is not a proper area of inquiry.” They did not discover that VRS uses a firm called Chilton Research of Radnor, PA. When the Colliers applied for jobs as exit-pollsters “we were told that Chilton employs other subpolling organizations in various states to do the actual hiring of field personnel.” No further information was forthcoming. “Mitofsky, VRS and Chilton refuse to explain how they operate by claiming they are private groups and on’t have to tell the American people a damn thing.” Thus, we were — and are — privatized.

Sooner or later, whatever mischief lurks, a member of the Bush family can be observed on the premises. The Colliers tell us:

Among the wickedest recent examples of possible computerized fraud vote... is the New Hampshire primary that saved George Bush Senior from getting knocked out of the race to the White House. The Bush campaign of 1988, as historians have since recollected, was filled with CIA-type disinformation operations and deceptions of the sort that America used in Vietnam, Chile and the Soviet Union. Since George Bush was one of the most admired CIA directors in the history of the organization, this was not so surprising.

Yet George Bush stood to lose the Republican Party nomination if he was beaten by Sen. Robert Dole in the snows of New Hampshire. He had suffered a terrible political wound when Dole won big by a show of hands in an unriggable Iowa caucus. Bush come to New Hampshire with all the earmarks of a loser. Political observers were downbeat in their observations of Bush’s chances in the face of Dole’s Iowa momentun. Virtually every television oand newspaper poll had Bush losing by up to eight points just hours before the balloting... Then came a widely reported promise made by Bush to his campaign manager Gov. Sununu. It happens that Sununu’s computer engineering skills approach ‘genius’ on the tests. If Sununu could ‘deliver’ New Hampshire, and Bush didn’t care how and didn’t want to know how — Sununu then would become his chief of staff in the White House.

Headline in the Washington Post, this “was perhaps the most polled primary election in American history.” What had happened? We will probably never know “there was no rechecking of the computerized voting machines, no inquiry into the path of the vote from the voting machines to the central tallying place... Nothing was said in the press about the secretly programmed computer chips inside the Shouptronic Direct Recording Electronic (DRE) voting machines in Manchester, the state’s largest city.”

The Colliers write of what they found out in the 1990s. Today in the new millennium, those private companies that control the voting and the tallying systems are still entirely beyond our scrutiny. “No voter, no citizens group, not even any academic group of experts is allowed to examine a voting machine.” I am quoting from Andy Stephenson , currently a candidate for secretary of state in Washington State. (If elected, he would be in a position to try to investigate the privatizers of our democracy.)

“In addition,” he adds, “the process of voter registration is being turned over to proprietary, secret software. “Whereas vote-rigging has always required physical access before, modems and wireless communication devices now open up possibilities for remote rigging that no one can observe.” Stephenson’s corrective: “We must enact legislation to mandate paper ballots that the voter verifies at the polling place when he votes; without the need of an interface or a translation... voter-verified paper ballots to be deposited in a secure ballot box; and robust auditing of paper ballots against machine counts.” Meanwhile, our national elections are now won and lost on shadowy 34th street.

— Gore Vidal “Imperial America” pp. 33-37
See other of Vidal’s comments at http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/06/04/1353259
and http://www.democracynow.org/transcripts/gorevidal.shtml

Kitty Kelly is on C-Span right now. Tune in if you can.

Just saw this on DU and had to post it here:

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Heard about this on today's Franken Show, from Christy Harvey...

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1...

GIs claim threat by Army
Soldiers say they were told to re-enlist or face deployment to Iraq

By Dick Foster, Rocky Mountain News
September 16, 2004

COLORADO SPRINGS - Soldiers from a Fort Carson combat unit say they have been issued an ultimatum - re-enlist for three more years or be transferred to other units expected to deploy to Iraq.

Hundreds of soldiers from the 3rd Brigade Combat Team were presented with that message and a re-enlistment form in a series of assemblies last Thursday, said two soldiers who spoke on condition of anonymity.

...

A Fort Carson spokesman confirmed the re-enlistment drive is under way and one of the soldiers provided the form to the Rocky Mountain News.

...

The form, if signed, would bind the soldier to the 3rd Brigade until Dec. 31, 2007. The two soldiers said they were told that those who did not sign would be transferred out of the 3rd Brigade Combat Team.

"They said if you refuse to re-enlist with the 3rd Brigade, we'll send you down to the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, which is going to Iraq for a year, and you can stay with them, or we'll send you to Korea, or to Fort Riley (in Kansas) where they're going to Iraq," said one of the soldiers, a sergeant.

...

WHAT THE FORM SAID

• "Elect not to extend or re-enlist and understand that the soldier will be reassigned IAW (in accordance with) the needs of the Army by Department of the Army HRC (Human Resources Command) . . . or Fort Carson G1 (Personnel Office).''

WHAT IT MEANS

• Soldiers who sign the letter are bound to the 3rd Brigade Combat Team until Dec. 31, 2007.

• Soldiers who do not sign the letter might be transferred out of the brigade and possibly to Iraq.

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This is a nightmare from which there is no awakening.

Taken with the information about how the people within the Pentagon are becoming more hostile to the maladministration in the face of the complete debacle in Iraq, I must ask yet again, how close are we to a military coup in this country?

Meant to also mention that I just read that the Associated Press has obtained a ruling from a federal court judge that orders the Pentagon to "find" and "make public by next week" all military records of dimson.

Bhakti,

I was glad to read your comments about Saturn.

Although I know from experience that Saturn CAN bring good things into one's life (as well as trials & pressure), I have to admit that the fact that I will be affected by Saturn for the next 9 years has me a little spooked.

It passed my uranus at 6 cancer and my asc. at 10 a few months back. About 2-3 (est.) years from now it will transit my moon/pluto Leo opp. Mercury Aquarius, as well as transit my husband's Ascdent/Mars/Saturn/Pluto conjuntion in Leo at the same time! Then, it moves to Virgo. I have 4 planets in Pisces starting with my Sun. Finally, it will return home to my natal Saturn in 2 degrees Libra in the 4th (angular) house where it squares my uranus in 6 Cancer. By that time, Pluto will have opposed that same aspect. I should be a very different person 10 years from now.

Getting back to the present, I am very grateful to G-d that Ivan did us no harm. New Orleans escaped a direct hit at this time as we would not be able to sustain a Cat. 4-5 hurricane. We are a city below sea level between 2 bodies of water and it is very diffifcult to evacuate unless you get an early start. I am sorry for all the suffering this hurricane season has caused. On this Rosh Hashana, I pray for peace and protection for everyone this year, and that G-d is just.

Don't miss this! (Results are looking great right now.)

Do you believe CBS News or Smirky about those *$#&#@$& guard documents?

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/

Bhakti,

Thank you for the encouraging words. Truth be told I really freaked when I saw that this morning. You are right about Saturn not always being bad. I just needed to be reminded of that.

If the past is any indication of the future then events have been set in motion that will most likely put me in a new job, career or location in 2006 or 2007. Good or bad that has been a very clear pattern with this transit for me.

I think the whole country is beginning to feel that we're dancing in a minefield. With some of us standing stock still and frozen in the middle of it. There seems to be an overwhelming anxiety in the air that is almost palpable. Granted that every person has his own worst fears, and some may fear the things that others hope for. Still, it feels as if the roster of fearsome possibilities is increasing by the hour.

I wish so much that Orwell had been off by a few hundred years....not a mere twenty.

This is my first posting on this fantastic and informative site. I have been an interested and silent participant for sometime now. I have appreciated the civil manners and the many perceptive, astute and wise community members that regularly spend time posting at this site. I have gained much comfort in knowing that throughout every part of this country there are intelligent people that correctly understand what a serious crisis our country and democracy is facing.The vast astrological expertise brought to the site by Sally and the other fabulous article contributors have often steadied, all the roller coaster emotions I have been experiencing these last four-dreadful Bush years. This site has also sparked my interest in astrology and I am learning slowly but surely.

The reason I have decided to post today is because of something Susan posted:
“Taken with the information about how the people within the Pentagon are becoming more hostile to the maladministration in the face of the complete debacle in Iraq, I must ask yet again, how close are we to a military coup in this country?”
I have had prophetic dreams since childhood. As a small child my dreams were very puzzling and often disturbing. As I grew older I became eager to understand what was going on with my dreams and me. Now to Susan’s remark: This last month I have been having a series of dreams connecting together. The last two nights my dreams have centered on this country experiencing “Martial Law”. Fortunately, I have had guidance over the years and have come to understand that the good or bad fortune I dream is only one of many out comes that can become our reality and we have the power collectively or alone to change the outcome to any situation that affects us if we decide to do so. I do believe Martial Law is a distinct possibly for the US, but I also know we have the power to change that outcome. Please understand that I am very sincere in sharing my dreams. Please take from my post whatever you feel comfortable with.
Peace to All

[I keep thinking about Kerry and wonder if what some people say is true. That is he was picked by the "powers that be" to run against Bush. They didn't want Dean to run as he wouldn't do their bidding. Kerry will. At any rate, if Kerry is still in the race, will have to vote for him.]

Posted by Patricia at September 16, 2004 01:58 PM

I know one thing: his hair is definitely darker than it was in his last photo.

:0)

Don't get me wrong...I don't have anything against image changing...just seems SO ODD to see it happening right out in the open before your very eyes.

Some days this whole thing definitely seems like something out of the Twilight Zone. That is the only reference I can make as well as the one made above. Reminding me of the TZ episode where the men were in the spaceship on the way to the moon or wherever and crashed. In some bowl type bleak earthy place somewhere..that sort of geological landscape. But they kept seeing this sort of cross up on the hill. I think they wound up killing each other until only one man was left. He hiked up the side of the bowl and saw the cross...which turned out to be a telephone pole. They had crashed on Earth and there was a highway right there.

Maybe you remember that one.

Took a look at Dan Rather last night. Looks like he has transiting Uranus opposing natal Neptune. Transiting Saturn conjuncts natal Pluto. One humorous comment(not meant to be humorous, of course, but which I find humorous) regarding this configuration: "Sometimes government or other officials will impose heavy burdens that greatly restrict your freedom of movement."(Planets in Transit/Robert Hand)

Good tidings to all.

Susan - Michael Moore is supposedly publishing a book of letters written to him by soldiers from Iraq. And I also read that his film did very well in theatres near military bases. His film clearly points out that they try to recruit in the poorer areas and tell kids the army/navy/etc is the ticket to all their dreams.

Welcome, mclmn.

I have had some dreams too that have stayed with me for years or have recurred from time to time. Some are clearly precognitive. Some are symbolic of inner emotions. I've tried to pay attention and to learn what the symbols stand for. I have discovered that when I dream of fire, my life is going to be going through a cleansing process. People, my ex-husband for example, will be leaving my life or a situation is going to undergo a radical change. Fear of martial law is a very real fear and one that is shared by many. Perhaps you are tapping into the collective? Is there much water in your chart?

Teg, "overwhelming anxiety in the air" right--it feels so much like the calm before the storm.

Was over at Atrios blog where a great idea for a bumper sticker was developed:

"When it's time to take responsibility
Even Bush says "anybody but Bush."

mclmn, thanks for your post. The very few times in my life I've experienced prophetic dreams they were in a series of three.

Welcome back, Old Granny. Do you feel rested now? Hope so... 'cause we all need one another... No, I'm not going to burst into song! Don't worry!

Welcome mclmn... thanks for sharing your dream with us... it's good to know or be aware of all possibilities, don't you think? Then we can work on drawing the positive ones to us... there is definitely some fear around martial law... again, it's not something we want to draw to us...

The 12-step program might be a good tool right now... you know, one day at the time... seems to be the only way I can handle it... along with humor, wherever I can find it...

Sharon K.,
Soooo glad to hear from you tonight... last night I was so worried about you, since you had posted that you and your husband were not evacuating... glad you are safe... light and blessings to all in Ivan's path... Happy New Year to you...

Namaste

old granny, I am a Twilight Zone fan, too. Looking back, I think that TZ (and some other S/F artistic visions) played a substantial part in helping us all steer through the Cold War without blowing up the world.

Remember when the right-wingers of that day were so anxious for us to go ahead and preemtively "drop the big one" on Moscow?

Mother of Dead Soldier Arrested for Protesting at Laura Bush Speech
http://www.nbc10.com/politics/3735989/detail.html

I'm just so hoping that the focus will change with Jupiter entering Libra soon. Focus away from all the mutables(yes, I know, we'll still have Pluto and Uranus there, but one can hope...) and adding just a "tad" more cardinality. Give us just a bit more oomph! And with Cancer being there, who knows maybe the Libra will even help. I'm waiting to see how it feels.

I do know that on Moon in X days I encounter X people...on Moon in Y days I encounter Y people. Maybe this is just a quirk of mine. I'm hoping with Jupiter in Libra more Libra will come to us all. And don't get me wrong, I have found Jupiter in Virgo to be VERY much fun, but I am longing for some "peace." Dear Libra.

I've had an abcessed tooth(and I've already checked all the sources for teeth, especially Louise Hay and her comments) which is now gone. Interestingly enough, my mother also had a tooth pulled. Mine was top right, hers was bottom right. I've also been looking at our charts in comparison. Many many planetary connections. Some easy, some not so easy. Our Mothers, our selves...

I took a look at Dick Cheney the other night and one of the comments on his Pluto/Saturn square(I think it was)... something like: "may become dictatorial or be associated with one who becomes dictatorial." I thought that was funny!

Watching Wayne Dyer on PBS tonight. His comment:

When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.

G'nite.

Thank you, Jo. I appreciate your caring and concern. Let's just all pray for health and safety for all. (And send Red Cross donations when possible.) Think light purple, as you once suggested. Blue is beautiful; purple, I think, is a higher vibration. Many of us are on that wavelength and have that shade in our aura.

shylurker,

MSW 'master of social work'...hey, i'm a democrat, not a socialist (just kidding) (ok, MSW's, LCSW's, form a firing squad and shoot me!). no MSW/ LCSW but you're close. actually, i'd figured you meant 'male, single, white.'

ah, well back to channeling quido, 9/19/04 12:01AM EST. the results will shock you.

mike...........

what is a LCSW please?

Licensed Clinical Social Worker

Try google. It's really very handy for this kind of thing.

The debt owed to social workers.

It was sometime in the '80s, as I recollect. The psychiatrists were trying to make menopause a psychiatric diagnosis. (Just imagine all the drugs, shock therapy, etc., they would have been able to inflict upon females undergoing a fundamental, physical change.)

At a conference (I believe it was APHA - American Public Health Association for those who will not google), the social workers enlisted the aid of the psychologists and fought--successfully!--the efforts of the psychiatrists.

So, hold your glass high in salute of Social Workers! Psychologists, too!

mclmn, first of all welcome glad you joined us and second I agree with Teresa, you could be tapping into the collective fear with your dreams, however, I have wondered about a military coup myself for sometime now, but I think it might be a ways off unless there is another "terrorist" attack from who knows where, then I think Martial Law might be instituted for a time. There was Martial Law on the campuses in the late 60's early 70's for a couple of years or so. At the time I was so busy protesting the war and trying to change the draft that I didn't even notice, and there will be tons of people not noticing now. Glad you pay attention to your dreams.

I wanted to post this Sept. 15th e-mail that I got from a friend of mine that is an astrologer. I subscribe to his e-mail service and got his approval to post the one where he discusses the election. Much of it will sound familiar, but at the end, I thought he had an interesting take on possible outcomes and wanted to share it with you.

More on Presidential Elections: Bush/Kerry Charts, & Kerry's Big Chance Next 2 Weeks

By Chris Hedlund
cosmic_telegram@yahoo.com

This e-mail may be forwarded

One of the reasons I have felt that John Kerry's chart is more fortuitous than W Bush's for the current Presidential run is that Kerry has the big planets, Jupiter and Saturn, on the march towards the top of his chart whereas George aWol Bush has them on the downswing.

Generally speaking (though this is not an Ironclad
rule), when you have these two planets, especially
Saturn, climbing towards the top, your role and status in the world is on an expansive upswing. Kerry's chart has this working for him.

As they start moving on the downswing cycle as in
aWol's chart, you are generally moving back into your personal, non-public focus, and your visibility and involvement in the outer world starts to shrink some (not entirely). Personal matters become more important than public and professional pursuits.

So, as Kerry has Jupiter at the summit of his chart, and Saturn marching towards it over the next several years, he would seem to be poised to rise in his power, role, visibility and influence in the world. That would suggest that he is not at the height of his political career yet. . .and that he could win this election.

George aWol Bush, on the other hand, has many transits that look like someone who is about to retire and needs to consider what to do with the next stage of their life.

That all said and done, I have to say that I am not convinced that Kerry will win just because of this. There are other ways these two's chart scenarios could play out even if Bush wins and Kerry loses; astrology is not so simplistic as many of the minds that practice it, and you always have to be wary of taking things in a chart as dogmatic, inflexible, fixed-results processes. After examining thousand of
charts over more than 3 decades and having many
clients give me annual feedback about their lives, I am here to say that the way astrology charts work is anything but uniform, repetitive, or simple.

Here is an alternate scenario for how the charts of Kerry and Bush could work with Bush winning and Kerry losing:

Bush may be 'retiring' psychologically even if he
wins, allowing his puppeteers to run the show more and more. Also, Bush has created a more disengaged, narcissitic, solipsistic foreign policy for this country than any President I know of in my lifetime. . .that is indicative of this 'turning away from the outer world' shown in his chart, and as it matches trends in the American nation's chart (which in my opinion is NOT the Sagittarius rising chart at all).

Kerry, if he loses, is extremely unlikely to fade away into the woodwork. He has his most important roles and public influence in the world ahead of him, be that as President or not. The next 7-10 years of his life will bring the highest development of what he has to offer to the world, and his biggest contributions. He can do that in ways other than being President if he loses this election.

But one thing to watch with John Kerry's chart is what happens in the next two weeks as Jupiter gets a giant surge of energy from the Sun, Mars and Mercury conjuncting the Fatman's path. This is a very BIG power boosting angle, and Kerry could be a big beneficiary from it.

This Super Conjunction takes place in John Kerry's key career/public prominence zone, his midheaven/10th house. It could produce a very strong surge of support for him, and perhaps some fortunate developments that happen independent of his control. Any business person, job hunter, entertainer or politician with this aspect in their chart would be advised by me to really pull out all the stops during this period and go for it 24/7, that major steps forward and key victories could be accomplished or begun here.

Can Kerry turn things around? Astrologically speaking, he has a very good chance to do that, though planetary patterns alone do not guarantee results and this is not a prediction but rather an alert to watch and see what develops.

What we can say is that the next 2 weeks are the time Kerry will make things begin to turn around if he is going to do it, and the universe may help.

One scenario that I think is possible, again not
certain but possible, is Ralph Nader coming to his
senses and throwing his support to Kerry. That could make a substantial difference.

But there are scores of other things that could also be sources of momentum shift in this race, and we'll just have to wait and see what develops.

Perhaps all the negative press Bush is getting blasted with will start showing its effect in the polls. Perhaps some other skeleton will pop out of the closet, or Iraq will melt down so badly that many more Americans will decide this is a crucial issue and bush has failed.

Watch the period from September 21-October 7. If there is going to be a positive momentum shift for Kerry, it is going to begin then.

******
Chris did another "telegram" entitled:
Why Some Long Range Planetary Patterns Suggest Bush May Win (Barf!) -- I'll send it next as it does play into some of the discussion of I'm seeing here about martial law....

All I can say is this is something to think about.... there are so many different outcomes and this is just one more angle -- sort of like story of the three blind men and the elephant... we all see the big picture from a different view point...

Why Some Long Range Planetary Patterns Suggest Bush May Win (Barf!)
Date: 9/14/04

By Chris Hedlund
cosmic_telegram@yahoo.com

This e-mail may be forwarded:
 
To my astrological eye, the outcome of the coming election is not certain. On the one hand, John Kerry's chart would be the chart I'd prefer between his and Bush's if I were the runner. But charts alone don't determine outcomes. We'll explore that later as time progresses.
 
One of the reasons Bush might win is that he seems to be the right man destined to lead America towards what it is heading for in the 2009-2012 (at least to 2012, maybe longer) period. 
 
You think I am being flip, but I am not.
 
Here's my reasoning:
 
1: The big political revolts, dissent and discord of 2009-2015 would be more likely to result from 4 more years of Bush and the Republican agenda.
 
We shall enter a period extremely heated, fervent revolt and political activism in the 2009-2015 period, and that is for certain.
 
But currently, better than half of Americans seem to be drugged, oblivious, out of touch with serious issues. And the country may need to go further along in this state of complacent ignorance until the nation really crashes against some very big reefs and gets the full results of such zombie-like consciousness. . . With Bush in office, that would take the next few years, and by 2009, the nation and its people will really be getting some strong pain and some major 'in your face reality blows' and that would wake 'em up.
 
Think about it; people seem oblivious to being involved in an extremely costly war whose reasons turned out to be false and for which there is no exit strategy, indifferent to a soaring budget deficit that has even fiscally conservative Republicans saying "its abysmal." People are fundamentally asleep at the wheel.
 
Now, as any cop will tell you, falling asleep at the wheel can only have one result.
 
CRASH!
 
 
2. Bush's irresponsible financial management would lead America right over the financial precipice of 2009-2012 which I see as about as certain as the fact that I am wearing undies today (I am). Read this Washington Post article for a little wake-up call on Bush's current direction with financial matters and what the costs will be for you and I and your children and their grandchildren and their grand children. . .
 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18876-2004Sep13.html

Kathleen,

Very interesting e-mails. Thanks for sharing them.

I, too, have thought about the direction the Country is going in and how it might make more "sense" having Bush steer us there than Kerry. But having the Republicans continue to grip America in it's stranglehold of idealogy and be unwilling to let us move any way but their way (even with Kerry in the White House) could ALSO push those complacent Americans too far. And I could easily see Kerry leading us through a Revelution, not Bush.

Again, interesting thoughts your friend had.

Well Kathleen, I must say that your astrologist friend, Chris's take on 4 more years of Bush(puke!)seems possible. I remember when Bush "won" in 2000 I was so sick. Sick and pissed!! Don't know if y'all believe in spirit guides and such or not but, I have "conversations" with some of mine on occasion. Before the election, I asked if Gore would be the next president. They replied that it was likely, but at the time was "up in the air". I remember feeling uneasy that Gore wasn't going to win but wouldn't give any energy to it. When the election fiasco happened as I had feared and Bush was appointed by the Supreme Court, the next conversation with my guides wasn't very civil on my part. (They're used to my ranting and raving by now.) Well, anyway the gist of the "talk" was that the next 4 years weren't going to be a picnic and that if we thought Clinton had troubles, it would be nothing compared to what Bush would experience. Also, America as we know it would no longer exist. And, would that be such a bad thing? I had to say no because what we have become is a nation of mindless consumers, so disconnected from the world at large and the mother earth that sustains us.
The "zombie" Americans need a wake-up call. Maybe 4 more years of Bush would do the trick. I don't understand how so many people can be unaware and worse, uncaring. The people in my neighborhood, at work, my family just seem lobotomized. Then there's the Bush supporters. I realize that I live in a conservative state (what an oxmoron..conservative..they conserve nothing) and just about everyone at work has Bush stickers on their cars. But people, people look at this man and his misadministration! I think they're all on some happy pill that blocks out only what they want to see. Numbs the mind.

I'll quit ranting now. If Bush gets back in again, don't think he'll last out his term. Impeached, probably.

Patricia

I am grieving.

I am sad for this country, sad for the family of man, and sad for myself, since I have a Sun in Cancer in the fourth house.

My mother was incarcerated in WWII and watched while her mother and younger sister were set to the gas chambers.
I was not born to live under a totalitarian regime that cares nothing for individual life.

All I want is for this great family to take one small step forward in our evolution now while Pluto gets ready to leave Sagittarius.

This is my hope.

When a leader fails us it is partly our faults for not watching him and holding him to his agreements in the deal.
We have been irresponsible.
Kerry is making a lot of promises now.I think we should be getting ready to hold him to their fulfillment.

I've just started reading Eric Hoffer's "The True Believer, Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements," written back in 1951. An interesting quote from the book on page 7---

'There is a fundamental difference between the appeal of a mass movement and the appeal of a practical organization. The practical organization offers opportunities for self advancement, and its appeal is mainly to self-interest. On the other hand, a mass movement, particularly in the active, revivalist phase, appeals not to those intent on bolstering and advancing a cherished self. A mass movement attracts and holds a following not because it can satisfy the desire for self advancement, but because it can statifsly the passion for self-renunciation.'

In tracking such movements whether mass or practical, one would look at Uranus and it's cycles with the other outer planets, yes? I was curious about the turning of the Red Scare and downfall of Sen Joe McCarthy. He was censured in Congress around Nov 4 1954. The chart for that date shows Uranus/Jupiter opp the USA Pluto. Trans Pluto was opp USA moon. T Saturn was trining USA Sun. T Neptune had been previous to his fall in a trine with USA Mars and T Uranus had been conjunct USA Sun. Very interesting time that marks alot of people that I know personally because they were born back then, including myself.

And then we have this current cabal of power whose birthcharts seems reflective of this time period as well, plus those whose charts are affected by the the current Saturn position of late Cancer..........ummmm, just found a source for Douglas Feith's birthdata, (July 16 1953). Surprised?

Thanks old granny for the Wayne Dyer quote. Other people can say this so much better than I, especially Sally, because she has said it before. We are living in these cycles, and bad things happen, but no matter what, we are evolving. If you can get a look at the big picture, (history) you can see it. So no matter how things turn out, I am going to maintain a semblance of hope. And things will turn. It's all about change.

And to Sharon K, remember you have been thru Saturn going over your planets before. You are headed into your 2nd Saturn rx. The first return represents lessons being taught, the second more reflects lessons learned, if one has been (self) aware. And you sure sound as if you have been. Just my 2 cents.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091704V.shtml

If you're really, really interested in the Bush TANG, this is a clear, concise and coherent presentation of it.

Would World War II be considered a mass movement?

What's up with all the fear? Who's the group of friends watching our site along with the one who shall not be named?

Predictions or actions? Depression or venting anger ? Which is depression turned inward. Where were you during the protests? Telling me not to march and you're all afraid for me. STOP IT. Take action.

Are you aware of the brave DUer's outting the Republican intern at the RNC kicking the Code Pink Slip woman while she was restrained by 3 Secret Servicemen? Who's the girlie-man now? His name is Scott Robinson who attends Penn U. Now his name is mud and he's about to get a kick out of school and off to the big house where he'll meet some guys who'll morph this felon into a real girl.

Check out this Hilter's Youth blog at

http://ksfp2004.blogspot.com/2004/08/dems_disenfranchise-militarykerry.html

or
http://www.reason.com/hitandrun/2004/09/kicking_em_while_1.shtml

or http://www.democraticunderground.
com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2361411

Crude language aside, this is how to vent anger productively . Let's end the handwringing and the downward spiral of worry and fear and take productive and creative actions. Stop the 'old timey religion' superimposition of being 'good little people' and clamming up because of predictions of a future we know nothing about. Create the future with good actions.

Hello MCLMN, In response to your posts about martial law, I was not as thorough in my earlier post about the military/Pentagon. I had read a few months back a From the Wilderness article, and others as well, that there were increasing numbers of people in the Pentagon who had been quietly voicing their concerns about the cartel and the policies that are destroying the armed forces and guard/reservesm as well as the erosion of civil liberties within the U.S.

Several high level Pentagon members had been quoted (not for attribution) as saying they were deeply distrustful of the maladministration and the erosion of the constitutional government by these beasts. They further said that their sworn oath was to "uphold the constitution of the United States" and to "protect and defend against all enemies - foreign and domestic." Basically, they were going on the record as saying that they would do what it took to keep the cartel from succeeding in the destruction of U.S. constitutional government. I take that as meaning that if a situation were to arise that precipitated the current cartel to suspend elections, call for martial law, etc., they would move to 'defend' against that.

In my earlier post I wasn't implying that the military would mount a coup (such as the ones we are familiar with in South America and Cyprus, etc.), to overthrow the government so much as they would do so to PROTECT the constitution and bill of rigts FROM the current administration rather than to reinforce the power of the maladministration.

I don't know if it would be possible for something like this to happen. It seems surreal - but then the events of the past 4 years have been Kafkaesque in the extreme.

Yes, Teresa it would. Hoffer makes reference to WWII alot. Hitler had only been dead 5-6 years when the book was written.

"When people are ripe for a mass movement, they are usually ripe for any effective movement, and not soley for one with a particular doctrine or program. In pre-Hitlerian Germany it was often a toss up whether a restless youth would join the communists or the Nazis."

Hoffer's book is dated, but it provides food for thought. It's not only that our current populace is over drugged with pharmecuticals et al, but the drug like manipulator of reality known as televison is in full force like never before. (the zombie like consciousness referenced up post) How we as human beings use these tools at our disposal remains to be seen. The one thing we never escape in being here on planet earth, is Choice.

Existence of this poll appeared on DU and, at the time, Smirky was 58%. Smirky's now 54%. Go vote and lower the percentage even more:

http://www.azcentral.com/#poll

Who's telling the truth about Iraq? Go vote: presently 57% are saying Smirky is.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/

'scuse me... Dubya is a leader? NOT... Puleeze, don't call him that... the man cannot traverse a room without falling on his face... swagger? more like 'stagger'...

As for holding Kerry accountable? You mean the same way we are holding the shrub 'accountable'?

George aWol Bush is the manifestation of this country's underbelly. Hubris? Ya betcha... we're innundated with bumper stickers "God Bless America" --- why? Aren't we sufficiently blessed? Isn't it this small percentage of the world population that is gobbling up the resources of the world? Don't Americans believe they are 'special'? Chosen? You bet! And didn't aWol tell his pastor "God has chosen me to be president." Ergo! 'Course God needs help, right? Florida did its part. God bless 'em... and the Rapture/readies are doing their part, supporting the destruction of the ME so that God can come again... Omnipotence needs help? btw, saw a wonderful bumpersticker the other day "God Bless All Nations" --- and speaking of 'B/C' stickers... there are more K/E stickers here in my little town in South Carolina... a GOP stronghold... the repugs are really 'quiet' here...

Meanwhile Americans go about their daily business of eating, shopping and watching TV... in varying degrees, of course... but the majority to excess.

There's a tremendous amount of Light shining in this part of the galaxy... shining down and exposing the criminal acts of our so-called leaders past and present... Sooo much Light, that for those just opening their eyes it is 'blinding'... none can say when their eyes will adjust to the Light... perhaps not before Nov. 2... what's so magical about a day, anyway? Our hope of course is that the People can gain control of their government... that will only happen if we are willing to take responsibililty, to demand the truth, to demand accountability... some expect a 'savior' or a 'prince' to rescue them... only we can do that for ourselves, individually and collectively...

Heck, I hope I live long enough to see true reformation... do we any longer need an Executive Branch? Hasn't it taken too much power unto itself? Isn't the 4-year campaign for president too long? Can't we do political campaigns in several weeks, as they do in Europe? Why don't the brightest and the best run for office? Why isn't there more diversity --- more women, more people of color? Why do we have only two parties? Why not diversity there also... lots of parties?

Do the People really need a 'Leader'? If we think we do... then we will be led... mass movement? aWol has 'led' us into a 'homeland'... into a land of 'fear'... into an illegal war... into bankruptcy...

A young man came into Demo hdgtrs. the other day. Declared he was a Repug who wanted a Kerry yard sign... was picking one up while ranting about aWol's extension of his reserve time... he is being called up to go to Iraq... not going to support aWol this time, no siree... the young intern in the room handed him a brochure for Inez Tannenbaum who is running for the seat being vacated by Sen. Fritz Hollings... the intern asked the young man if he would consider voting for Inez... the young man said "No, I can't... she's a woman... and she's married to a Jew..." So, guess the pundits have something when they suggest folks vote when and where it affects them directly. But guess what? He's not in the majority, even here in the South, even here in a red state... for Inez is more than holding her own... she's within 3-4 points of the WASP she is opposing...

Time to plot our own course... Power to the People! Purple Light to the People!

Great observation from http://www.electoral-vote.com/ :

Jimmy Breslin of Newsday had an column yesterday that, if true, makes this website irrelevant. Breslin claims that pollsters do not call the 168 million cell phones in the country. Since many younger voters do not have a land line and just a cell phone, they will be hugely underrepresented in all the telephone polls. Since younger voters lean more towards the Democrats than the average voter, the polls may be greatly underestimating Kerry's strength. Between missing all the people who have only a cell phone and no land line and the 5 million overseas voters, the polls maybe missing a very large section of the electorate. If anyone working for a pollster or telecom company knows ***for sure*** whether pollsters call cell phones, please let me know. But please don't send e-mail on this subject if you are just speculating.

"No, I can't... she's a woman... and she's married to a Jew..."

I can't believe people like that exist! And to say something like that out loud makes me think he's not even ashamed of those views. I'm losing my faith in humanity. I shouldn't be so surprised. Look at the holocaust, slavery, lynchings, the trail of tears, the spainish inquisition, . . . . Like Sally said, we didn't start the fire. But for some reason lately it been really hitting me that most people aren't really worth knowing. Hopefully this is just because Saturn just crossed my ascendant.

Still, I'm always curious why people are racist. Storm Thurmond had a black daughter. Evidently it was common for Southern white men to have relations with slaves. But I read somewhere that one of most compelling reasons for racism in the south was to "protect" the white women from the black men with big dic*s! Maybe a little penis envy?

Also, from: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/hitlerjew.html

"One of the most frequently asked questions we receive is whether Adolf Hitler was Jewish or had ancestors who were. The idea seems to arise from the remote possibility that Hitler's grandfather was Jewish. Hitler's father, Alois, was registered as an illegitimate child with no father. Alois' mother worked in the home of a wealthy Jew and there is some chance a son in that household got the woman (i.e., Hitler's grandmother) pregnant. Adolf Hitler was not Jewish."

But - it might make him distrustful of jewish men who may have impregnated his grandmother and brought shame to his family. It might also have planted the seed of resentment of jewish people who were more wealthy. I've often wondered if the root of racism is insecurity.

Maybe if we could figure out exactly why people prefer Bush, and reason with them to explain how it is not in their best interests to elect him, it would help. However, I haven't been able to reason with anyone or change anyone's mind, so....

I've been reading these books by Michael Newton which are so amazing:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1567184855/qid=1095443880/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/103-0392966-1469456?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

He makes it seem like most people are trying their best and just can't do any better.

Racism is also about jealousy and heirarchy. I think jealous of education which Jews always kept as a priority.

I can only relate to the immediacy of my own family and who became a repub. My SC sister who lied, cheated and was sneaky w/o responsibility ever since I could remember. She got away with it in our family and later in society. She'd smile and act charming, be your friend. Would accuse anyone who crossed her path with a smear campaign. Would tell me how the NY intellectuals thought they knew everything. Sound familiar?

This is the hypocrite that hides behind Big Daddy's skirts. Who projected their pain onto Clinton's cheating while continuing their own in denial dysfunctional behavior.

Suzie Liberal. Just curious to know if Michael Newton just leaves it at that?
People just trying their best and that's all they can muster?
How sad if that's the conclusion that we live up to being mediocre.

Greeting good people! Been way way too busy to do more than occasional lurking these days--(got Jupiter at 00:01 Libra in the 6th about to go ballistic with the Sun, Jupiter, Mars transits and for added measure progressed Sun and Mars at 00:01 Libra on the 21st).

But just had to post this link from Rense. I read everything there with some degree of skepticism--as the site seems oriented towards some confused extreme libertarian perhaps even anti-semitic perspectives. But sometimes I find something good among the weeds. Here is a piece about a lawsuit against Bush and Co. put forth by a lawyer who supposedly used to be Bob Dole's chief of staff. The lawsuit alledges Bush not only allowed 9/11 to happen, but that he actually ordered it--something I've long suspected ever since seeing that clip of Smirky in the classroom (saw it somewhere on the net long before it ended up in F9/11). Anyway...has this story got legs?

http://www.rense.com/general57/aale.htm

SusieLiberal,
Where do you think the young man got his information? You could go up and down the street and most folk would not be able to tell you who their Senator is... some might know... and a smaller percentage would know who was running for office. When the intern said "Inez" it was obvious she is a woman... her picture is on the front of the brochure... but 'married to a Jew'? Who would promote that? I mean really, she doesn't hide things, but her brochure talking points deal with her term as State Sup't of Education... and what she hopes to accomplish as a US Senator... my guess is the Repug WASP opponent is spreading the word... would have been the same type of smear treatment if she were married to a Catholic... Repugs always look for the lowest common denominator and exploit it... that is to say, if there exists a bias --- against women, against race, against religion --- it becomes part of their tool box...

Look at how they're smearing Kerry, who is Catholic... who supports a woman's right to choose...

You pondered Susie if the root of racism isn't insecurity... IMHO you have hit the nail on the head... 'economic' insecurity... it feeds on 'ism... it's a tool used in denying women equal rights... 'feminism' is dangerous because... there are not enough jobs, and women are taking the jobs men should have... that same wrong thinking fed racism in the south during slavery... young white men coming to America from Europe could not find work in the south, where slaves provided the work force... poor white men resented them for taking work from them... and of course the plantation owners feared the Blacks who outnumbered whites 4-1, and of course if they ever rose up against their masters... they were to be feared, and the white masters who were forcing black females to their bed were projecting their own lust onto Black males... very convoluted... what surprises me is that the descendants of the poor white males today glorify the Civil War wherein their ancestors were fodder for the goals of the rich white males. They also idolize and glorify aWol... as one of theirs... good ol' boy from Texas... same thing in Germany, right...? economy goes bust... Hitler focuses on fault being another ...ism...?

Of course racism exists today... but the South doesn't have a corner on that market. In the 'heads' of many Americans... Iraqis are 'brown skinned'... 'animals' according to psyc ops... 'ungrateful animals... who don't appreciate the sacrifice our children are making for their freedom... that's what I heard yesterday when I stopped into a little country cafe for lunch... where some local good ol' boys were regaling forth.

What's the song aWol is singing as the military campaign in Iraq is unraveling? ... We're helping the Iraqi people build a new democracy. Pessimists can say what they want. But that's what they said about the occupation of Germany and Japan. We're safer with Saddam in prison; America is safer. The critics are pessimists... These aren't quotations. But phrases like these are the stock phrases of the president and the rest of his campaign. They filled the recent Republican convention in New York. Actually, on Thursday President Bush was speaking in exactly this vein: "Freedom is on the march." [http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com]

We are all one... but those who abuse power and seek more Power... they aim to divide and conquer. Don't you think they are becoming desperate? Isn't that a sign they're losing... not just the battle in Iraq... but the bigger one for our power...?

Light to all

Sixty year cycles are very powerful and must be paid attention to.Remember 1948, when the polls predicted Dewey will win and Democrat Truman made fun of the HEADLINES.I think in 2004, polls will be proven all WRONG predicting shrub will be p-resident but NOT(even stealing won't help this time!)

And never forget that the wealthy whites encouraged the poor whites to feel "better" about themselves since, while they might be poor, they were white. I've seen that ugly, despicable ploy used over and over and over. And it usually worked.

Journalism Under Fire
Bill Moyers
September 17, 2004
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/journalism_under_fire.php

Part biography, part reprimand, part love letter to the promise of his profession-this speech, given by Bill Moyers at a Society of Professional Journalists conference on Sept. 11, 2004, will be referred to for years to come by those who are worried about the state of journalism. It's a true classic: "I believe democracy requires 'a sacred contract' between journalists and those who put their trust in us to tell them what we can about how the world really works."

more..

Spiral Dynamics meet astrology? Judith Goldberg's article over at Stariq.com is interesting, if you can take more colors added to mix....

http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0005721.HTM

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/16/politics/campaign/16CND-KERR.html?ex=1253073600&en=f717138e77f3ae94&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland

Mr. Kerry said Mr. Bush's address to the Guard Association, where the president expressed pride in his own service in the Texas Air National Guard more than three decades ago, had an unreal quality.

"He did not tell you that with each passing day, we're seeing more chaos, more violence, more indiscriminate killings," the senator said. "He did not tell you that with each passing week, our enemies are getting bolder — that Pentagon officials report that entire regions of Iraq are now in the hands of terrorists and extremists. He did not tell you that with each passing month, stability and security seem farther and farther away."

"You deserve a president who will not play politics with national security, who will not ignore his own intelligence, while living in a fantasy world of spin, and who will give the American people the truth about the challenge our brave men and women face on the front lines," Mr. Kerry said.

Well it looks like Kerry turning the heat up. About time!

They have arrived....

Independent Election Observer Team Arrives in U.S.

WASHINGTON, D.C., Sep 17 (OneWorld) - A team of 20 independent democracy experts from 15 countries and five continents has arrived in the United States in order to observe this year's presidential election campaign.

The election monitors, who have been brought here by the San Francisco activist group "Global Exchange," will be fanning out in the coming days initially to research how the election preparations are being conducted in five states. They will then return just before the actual polling November 2.

The five states include Florida, Ohio, Arizona, Missouri, and Georgia. According to Global Exchange, Florida was selected due to the controversy that erupted there in the 2000 elections; Georgia because it is one of only two states where voters will use only touch-screen voting machines.

~ snip ~

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=655&e=1&u=/oneworld/20040917/wl_oneworld/4536942841095439163

bhakti ,
That was my ineloquent take on Newton's books. His books are mostly case studies and you are left to make most of the deductions yourself. That's why I like the books, more of a scientific than religious feel. What I was trying to say is that I got from the books that life is very difficult, and sometimes just a little more than we can handle. And we get beaten up, and tossed around, and we are too proud, and have too many other flaws. And we keep coming back and learn a little each time. But it is difficult, and maybe we should have some compassion for people who seem like they don't deserve it, because maybe their souls aren't there yet. You don't expect a first grader to do trigonometry. So I guess I was trying to say that maybe some people can't help falling into the trap of racism. Anyway - that's just my view - ignore if you wish...

Morgana,

Thanks for the link on election monitors from abroad... it was touchscreen voting in 2002 that gave Max Clellan's seat to the Repug Chambliss... when I say "gave" - I mean "gave"... folks in Georgia loved Max then and still do...

Wonder what gifts the Trojan touchscreens will bear this election?

Morgana,

One more thing - do you happen to know which is the other state with all touch screen voting? Is it Nevada? Here's a link to their system - which leaves a paper trail!

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-elect/2004/sep/08/090807943.html

CARSON CITY, Nev. (AP) -

Nevada residents became the first in the nation to vote on computers that leave a paper trail, taking part in a primary that produced scattered reports of delays - though none of the serious problems that have cast doubt upon electronic voting systems in other states.

~ snip~

Nevada's $9.3 million voting system - which includes more than 2,600 computers and printers deployed in every county - could become a model for other states. California, Washington and Illinois recently passed laws requiring a paper trail for electronic ballots, and at least 20 others are considering similar legislation.

I implore everyone to read the story at the link
Timothy posted......please read with an open mind, but make sure everyone you know reads it. I've never "bought" the offical story, but that's just me.

Peace to all truth warriors---continue to shine white light on the evil in this world, regardless of who's "in charge"---we will turn the tide of injustice, intolerance and hostility. White light to all in Jean(sp?)'s path and all down on the Gulf coast...blue light over America...(Love is the answer!)

Hi SuzieLiberal,
Thanks for the clear response. I wondered if that's what you meant. Words without breath and inflection in cyberspace can get tricky. I understand where he is coming from now. We all have different karmas walking the same path to light, some are ahead, some in the middle and some behind. That does not negate (or judge) the unity of our humanity.
Each day the world feels like it spins more out of control and up is down and peace means war. *co preaches low expectation, anti-intellectualism, and lack of curiosity. There are no excuses for it.
Hearing excuses by the media for lies and corruption and feelings of pity instead of compasssion and stregnth comes off as enabling and playing out addictive behavior which is always about low self esteem and lowball expectations. e.g. I'm really not into the TODAY Show's 'let's plan a wedding' instead of hardhitting news at a crucial time. I do not want to lower my standards and join the people voting for what dress the bride will wear, wasting important air time by living out (projecting) some dumb fantasy that's not even about them or their own future and just smile, smile ,smile and think, 'that's all they can do to evolve, poor them'. This stunting of my intelligence and those of others makes me want better and strive higher.

I think we can pull ourselves out of the quagmires, even of our own minds, by aiming high, for then there is room to grow. Then there is hope.

There is a new trend in the air. The whispering is saying that the Iraq War was a mistake and is unwinnable. Bob Herbert today and the new intelligence estimate that says the war is a disaster with no exit in sight, for example. Despite Bush's fairy tale, things are looking grim, and it is being spoken about. They have been grim for a while, but no one had the nerve to say it on TV.

I think this is a sea change of consequence. If it remains this way, we then move to the question of should we pull out. I think we need to divide the country into three parts and let each have their own laws and relgious culture in a loose federation. They can just share the oil wealth. The US soldiers can just guard the borders for a while but otherwise pull out. Just my own ramblings.

To all of you having prophetic dreams (and especially Teresa(s)....I always have....they are gifts across time and space to warn us, although they may incorporate our own familiar people into dreams which have a wider meaning. Now my daughter is having them, too....and I posted a few threads back on my overwhelming dream on Aug 21 of seeing a RIVER of people who died without being able to say goodbye to their mothers, and the vignettes which appeared out of the river were young men dying in battle with "mom" on their lips. Such an awful lot of pain and even more karmic pain in the future.

My daughter dreamed Wednesday morning that her son (16 months old) went over a balcony before we could catch him. She woke up (before knowing what happened to him) shaking with fear and pain and sorrow, and she felt the connection with her children as never before, and couldn't go back to sleep.

She called and told me....I told her that within a few days she would hear of a story which would mirror the dream, and that she would understand in empathy what that meant with someone else. Several hours later, I went over to the house to babysit, and Aidan had fallen off of a retaining wall at the back of the house. We both knew that wasn't all of it. She then went to pick her daughter up at preschool, and met a friend who told her that a member of her own family had died on Wednesday...a little 2 year old girl who was being baby sat by her grandparents had escaped the house and run into the street and was struck by a car. The mother of the child and the grandparents had always been so careful, because the mother had had such a difficult time conceiving and bearing this child.

Bakhti, I am glad to read your posts, as you disappeared from this forum (what actually DID happen to you?) before I actually started lurking, so for me this isn't a reappearance, but an appearance....I am also an artist/illustrator. Wish I did live in NYC, too! (My ex does) Your posts are right on....

Who've I left out? Ah....the enigmatic Mike....who was from CA sometime back....HEY, MIKE! CA is a big place....are you No or So or are you on the cusp in San Luis Obispo? heheeheheheheh

OH YES....please, everyone read the article posted by Timothy from Rense....http://www.rense.com/general57/aale.htm

It really is what I said to myself (in that psychic all encompassing holographic moment of monstrous recognition with no details)...."B**H did this..."

You can't hide from those who get it....and you can't dispose of everyone who gets it, either....
which is why your mother always told you not to lie. Well, except one of those mothers in THAT family didn't.....

Australia has voting machines. They were developed in a very transparent way, the way they work is very transparent, and blah blah blah. The U.S., on the other hand, had their machines developed in secret by profit-takers who refuse to disclose anything about them. And when somebody such as Bev Harris does start disclosing things about them (riddled with error, invitations for abuse, etc.), they try and sue to ensure silence for their sick little, profitable games.

See if you can get your Senators and Representatives interested in this. I tried and tried and could not. My Representative is an idiot. My Senator (Feinstein) is supposed to be smart.

At least some of the Repugs seem to have figured it out: the machines can be rigged, the machines can be hacked. Ability to screw around with the machines is independent of political party.

Here's the link. Go visit it and weep.

http://www.wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,61045,00.html

One last post here before forget again...Nova this last week had a show on something or other (I was drawing and coloring storyboard frames for a big pitch....wasn't watching) when I realized they were talking about Archimedes. He was the first real physicist in history....("Eurkea" he cried, running naked through the streets of Athens....having discovered the theory of displacement in his bathtub, thereby solving the problem of the gold crown which had been made for the king....something was fishy about that crown....it was big and didn't weigh enough, so Archimedes suspected the jeweler was "cheating" the gold. His displacement theory proved it.)

If it wasn't for one brilliant brilliant curious mind (Archemedes), we wouldn't be where we are now technologically speaking. However, we may have been much further along than we are if it wasn't for a Roman soldier who was sent with an entire regiment to capture this famous Greek to be used for Rome's purposes....unfortunately, no one told this soldier that they wanted to CAPTURE the famous Greek, not KILL the Greek. And so, he killed Archimedes while he was in the middle of another discovery.....and his papers couldn't be understood by others, and they moldered thru another 1000 years until a monk discovered them and used them to inscribe a palimpset (religious prayer book) on them....and then they disappeared until the early 1900's, where they turned up in Paris, only to disappear again because of war. but they have been rediscovered again....and what the people deciphering these documents say is that if none of that had transpired, that is the soldier killing Archimedes, we would be 2 millienium ahead of where we are now, technologically speaking. Trumped by war and religion, science was almost lost....and most of all, ONE MIND CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE (that's my underwhelming take on it!)

Sorry...that had NOTHING to do with politics....but it is a picture that needed to be seen.

bhakti -
I agree that there is compassion and there is enabling. And God knows I've done enough enabling in my life! And you can't allow racism, etc. to go on and just say "Oh well, they don't know any better, pity." This board makes me think of those books by Newton because he mentions sprit guides, and souls slowly changing colors as they advance to eventually becoming violet or purple. So many similarities with what people mention on this board. Also - he vaguely makes a reference to a "population decline" coming on Earth sometime in the next century or so. My post was long winded and really me thinking out loud. Sorry!!!!

Nancy -

I agree that it seems so logical for Iraq to be 3 nations. Yet, no one is even mentioning it! It does seem like more is coming out in the open. Just when I think all the news is slanted towards Bush - they surprise me.

Also - it did seem to me that the Republicans at the convention were almost celebrating 9/11. Like it was the best thing that ever happened. People don't usually celebrate tragedies.

Suzie, racism is encouraged. Promoting racism is a very powerful tool in waging Class Warfare.

Shylurker -
I think you must be right! Doesn't it make you a little sad that "They" are so good at manipulating "Us". (Not "Us" on this board - but "Us" in the world.)

Suzie, re your observation that it seemed the Repugs at their convention were almost celebrating 9/11. Remember, it was Bush's "trifecta":

http://www.baltimorechronicle.com/trifecta_jun02.shtml

for mike............

My question "What is an LCSW?" was tongue-in cheek. (Like you, I had originally taken "msw" to mean your gender, race and marital status).

I want to come up and see your artwork, I want to meet your friends (ethereal and otherwise), AND
given the possibilities of that lovely Pluto on your Jupiter, I think I want to have your babies too!!

Teg

RSVP

Great leak aimed right at Blair:

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3513167

http://www.drivedemocracy.org/blog/index.php?p=86

Shylurker,

Thanks for the link on Aussies e-voting... weep is right... we know that our guys want to be able to 'control' the outcome, don't they? I'm trying to get the major newspaper to cover this story in South Carolina, where our county and several others that didn't need them, were 'gifted' by HAVA with new stinking touchscreen voting machines... office of the Repug Gov says they came from 'Washington' --- Trojan Horse if ever there was one! No paper trail like those sensible folks in your state are demanding... the western states seem to have more gumption about 'just say no' or demand an additive (paper) to this dopey idea...

Teg,

Down girl! I'm guessing Mike is happily married with a grown daughter. Right Mike?

http://hijackingcatastrophe.org/

Hijacking Catastrophe

OK - Here is my (totally unsolicited) take on 9/11. I just REFUSE to beleive Bush planned the attacks. However some things are clear.

1) Thanks to Shylurker we know he needed an excuse to raid Social Security - and still not get caught like his Dad did with his "Read My Lips - No New Taxes" campaign line.
2) They were trying to get the Taliban to allow an oil pipeline through Afghanastan from the Caspian Sea.
3) Jr. probably was dying for an excuse to finish what he thought his Dad should have done and go get Saddam.
4) According to numerous sources the new Bush administration wasn't interested in any infromation from the outgoing Clinton administration on terroism.
5) Even though C. Rice said over and over no one could have conceived of anyone flying planes into buildings;
"U.S. and Italian officials were warned in July 2001 that Islamic terrorists might attempt to kill President Bush and other leaders by crashing an airliner into the Genoa summit of industrialized nations" - 2 months before 9/11. Also ...
"On Christmas Eve 1994, Algerian terrorists hijacked an Air France Airbus and planned to blow it up over the Eiffel Tower in Paris. French troops stormed the plane as it was refueling in Marseilles and killed the hijackers."
From: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-092701genoa.story
Also mentioned by Evan Bayh (my senator - and fairly conservative for a Democrat) on Larry King live soon after the attacks.
6) At minimum the Bin Laden Family has ties to the Bush family. And Osama has ties to the CIA.... I think there is even a picture of Rumsfeld and Bin Laden out there.
"In 1986, bin Laden brought heavy construction equipment from Saudi Arabia to Afghanistan. Using his extensive knowledge of construction techniques (he has a degree in civil engineering), he built “training camps”, some dug deep into the sides of mountains, and built roads to reach them.
These camps, now dubbed “terrorist universities” by Washington, were built in collaboration with the ISI and the CIA. The Afghan contra fighters, including the tens of thousands of mercenaries recruited and paid for by bin Laden, were armed by the CIA. Pakistan, the US and Britain provided military trainers. "
from: http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2001/465/465p15.htm
7) Bush likes the phrase "Bring 'em on".

So - giving Jr. the benefit of the doubt - I think he thought - "Let the terrorists try something - we'll destroy them and get a pipeline and Sadam and a bunch of Iraqui oil out of it - not to mention a terrific excuse for the budget and the economy". I'm hoping it was worse than they expected - and I'm hoping they were dumb and not clever.

I just came from the Kerry-Edwards site and it is very upbeat tonight. Mostly about the Knox interview on 60 Minutes II which, alas, I missed.

Some on the Kerry site are talking about a campaign turn-around. Is this the beginning of what the astrologers said was going to be an upswing in Kerry's fortunes? I hope so.

Hey! Hey! Hey!, everybody! Starcats is back ON, big time. Hooray for Claudia!

(You can get to her site by clicking on "Starcats" on the right-hand side-bar that Sally has so thoughtfully provided.)

Dear Astroworlders,

PLEASE READ THIS POST. I NEED SOME FEEDBACK ASAP.

I need some feedback on an idea my campaign just stumbled across. The candidate was at a United Way board meeting earlier today, and it turn out that our local Red Cross food bank is completely out of food. They have nothing left and are in a panic, especially since all of the Red Cross's resources are being diverted to the south to help deal with the recent hurricanes.

So we struck upon a brilliant idea. We are thinking about starting up a canned food drive as part of our campaign. We'll send out a press release, put an add in all of our district's papers, and start asking people for canned food when we canvass at their doors. The campaign headquarters will be the designated drop-off spot, and instead of selling our yard signs at $5 a piece, we will trade them for 3 cans of food.

Obviously all of the above is a good plan, but what dawned on me just a few minutes ago was that there is a huge contrast between a campaign that does this an a "negative campaign." As a strategy, what I described above seems to go beyond just what we might call a "positive campaign." Rather, it is a campaign of good works.

Now this is the part where I need feedback, and I need you all to ruthlessly practical in your assessment. Is a "good works" campaign a winning strategy? And when I say "good works," I'm not just referring to a photo op reading to kids or a day working at the homeless shelter, I'm referring to the SYSTEMATIC incorporation of community service into the campaign strategy in the same way that Karl Rove systematically incorporates smear and deception into his campaigns. In other words, we would be devoting a significant amount of time and energy to charity work as part of the campaign.

Be ruthless now. What do you think of this strategy?

SuzieLiberal,

"So - giving Jr. the benefit of the doubt - I think he thought - "Let the terrorists try something - we'll destroy them and get a pipeline and Sadam and a bunch of Iraqui oil out of it - not to mention a terrific excuse for the budget and the economy". I'm hoping it was worse than they expected - and I'm hoping they were dumb and not clever."
---------

What exactly are you saying? Clarity please. I don't want to misinterpret your words.

Are you suggesting 'letting something happen' is not as bad as 'doing the deed'? ...worse than they expected... Who is 'they'? and I'm hoping they were dumb and not clever... again, who is 'they' and what does it matter if they were 'dumb' as opposed to 'clever' ?

I'm just trying to follow your thoughts here...

Re post at 4:08 a.m

Just playing the devil's advocate here, but wouldn't your candidate's opposition claim you were exploiting the plight of the poor, the hungry... for political gain? No matter how altruistic your intent, politics these days is ruthless...

Jo, I guess I do think "letting something happen" is not as bad as "doing the deed". Sort of manslaughter or criminal negligence or even murder in the second degree versus murder in the first. I am hoping "They" - the current group in the white house - may have been warned about some sort of attack - but didn't realize it would be as bad as it was. And they may have seen an upside to the entire thing. I'm hoping they were careless and didn't plan the entire thing. To me it does make a difference. Sort of like a drunk driver who kills with his car. No one makes excuses for the drunk driver being so careless, people have died and can not be brought back to life, but it is not the same as premeditated murder.

But - I'm not in the loop here. Maybe they knew a lot about the attacks. I would just rather believe they were careless and cavalier and didn't plan this horrible tragedy.

'Disaster comes knocking on our door'.

What a strange disconnect. I was just scanning the Yahoo news briefly.

Article #1: Hurricane Ivan claims 35 lives in the US; causes widespread damage on the east coast. 85 dead in the Caribbean. Right behind Ivan churns hurricane Karl. On the heels of these 2 are more hurricanes being born outside Africa.

Two more months of what appears to be steadily increasing storms.

Article #2: US increases bombings in Fallujah and Sadr City: aims to "pacify" Iraq. A massive show of force which most certainly will result in increased uprisings.

Does anyone besides me sense a link between these 2 articles? I wonder when they will start to get worried about troop deployment which is stretched so thin. We may at some point need the troops at home for damage control.

Maybe this is nature's way of forcing us to take care of our problems, right here at home.

Campaigns doing good works:

http://www.politicsnh.com/archives/pindell/2003/November/11_23.shtml

Hi ... this is a wonderful site. Reading it has inspired me to read more about astrology and desire to understand and study it more.

I seem to remember that there is an astrological technique to determine if the planetary energies were favorable to a particular time and event. I ask because I have been out of work for almost two years. Had my first "informational interview" on Tuesday, August 3, 2004 at 4:30 pm. It seemed to go very well, but still do not know if I am a prime contender, etc. Is there a way to determine if this was favorable timing? My birthday is 9/13.

Thank you for all the amazing insights.

Namaste,

Charlene

Well, as suggested I went to Starcats and read and read and read. Claudia has a lot to say and my head hurts trying to absorb it all. I came away with a headache and a really bad feeling in the pit of my stomach. I assume that is what she intended....she appears, at least on my first reading, to be sending out a very harsh but sensible warning that life is going to be just awful around here for a long, long time to come.

If anyone has read her article and come away with a different feeling I would appreciate the feedback. Sometimes I tend to focus on the gloom instead of the positive so would appreciate a tune up if necessary.

Thanks.

Charlene,
I'm no astrologer - but at least the moon was not void of course. The moon was in Pisces. I'm reading from Jim Maynard's Astrologer's datebook. The moon was opposite Jupiter, trine Saturn, square Pluto, and square Venus that day - but not at the time of your interview. I can't say more because I'm not that good at astrology.
Good Luck!!

PAV that's a heavy article, I will have to read it again, and again to absorb it all.
All the more reason to work to change the course our nation is on. Putting out the energy to change those red states blue.
We already know that if John Kerry wins he'll have a difficult presidency what with the stink left over from the Bushie's. If Bush manages to steal another election then we work that much harder to see that he goes down in flames of disgrace.
We are in the crucible of change, what we do now will affect our nation for decades to come. Do we remain silent and stand by and watch, wringing our hands and wailing woe is me? We got rid of ole King George we can get rid of the new King George, the election is not the end of it. Just another step in the reformation of America.
Just my two cents.

Just a quickie. I haven't had a chance to read the article on rense.com yet. Thank you Shade for your reasurances about my Saturn return. And to the poster who asked about whether a charity campaign and community service would help his candidate (Dave?)...I think it can definitely help. It is not a substitute for other things (like action plans and charisma) but what goes around comes around. If you give to people, they generally love you in return. Some will be cynical and, of course, there is the element of self-interest that exists, but it is still giving.

That was me. I usually don't have to type in my name.

Dave, if that was you, Dave, I thought the idea of having the campaign participate in trying to get food to hungry people is just wonderful. You go!

So glad Claudia is writing again.

Was thinking that back in the feudal days most people had no mechanism for overthrowing a bad ruler and no idea that they had any right to overthrow him.

Nowadays in much of the world people are not only are willing to oppose a disliked government, they think they have every right to do so.

So in that respect, at least, we are a little ahead.

A problem with being a liberal is feeling so personally responsible all the time. It sure can cause burnout.

I keep telling myself to do my best in the campaign and, at the end of the day, to step back and be prepared to deal with whatever comes--just as we prepare for the weather without worrying that if we only worked a little harder we could be sure to turn the hurricane away.

Meant to add, I think the food bank/campaign idea is good. I would expect the opposition to first jeer and then follow suit.

Barbara, Claudia can only call 'em as she sees 'em. While I surely don't want Smirky back in there, I keep returning to the fact that Howard Dean has a very positive astrological display on the night of the election. (Can't remember now if it was Sally or Nancy or Morgana or whomever who noted it--so sorry.) I'm hoping that indicates that we Dems can take back the Senate (and maybe the House????) and begin impeaching all of them--assuming we get screwed again in terms of the Presidential election on November 2nd.

For those who are interested in dreams, prophetic dreams and other premonitions:

http://www.prophecies.us/

You can register your premonitions here. I've noticed we've had a rather large number of dreams posted lately.

I've only had one dream which could be classified as 'prophetic'. It blew me away, and it was about water.......rising water. I registered it at prophecies.us, just to see if there were any others who had had the same types of dreams. There is quite a variety of stuff there.

teg, i'm soo flattered. maybe we could adopt or think about virtual babies. don't be put off by the married w/child status. my religion accomodates multiple wifes.

charmed in your nation's capitol, mike

N.B. Don't forget, 9/19/04 12:01AM Guido Alert
Shocked and Awed!!!!!

SuzieLiberal, did you read the piece at Rense on Stanley Hilton? here is a quote from a radio transcript...the host is speaking:
"Bottom line, he (Stanley Hilton) has deposed military individuals, wives of hijackers, you name it, it was a government operation. It has even come out in mainstream news, a piece here, a piece there. They had drills on 9/11, that's why NORAD stood down. Cheney was in control of the whole thing. Stanley Hilton has now gotten documents about how Bush ordered the whole operation. And I'll tell you right now, his life is in danger, folks. And he's got so much courage. He went to school with these neocons at the University of Chicago. He wrote his thesis on how the government could use terrorist attacks to set up martial law. He is the man for the time and folks wondered why he disappeared for a while and just did his lawsuit and wasn't doing interviews, it was because he was ordered to."

At the U of Chicago, Hilton goes on to say they studied the use of "Pearl Harbor" type scenarios to be used as political tools...and insists that the airplanes flown into buildings was another scenario...It goes on:
SH: Yeah, we are suing Bush, Condoleezza Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Mueller, etc. for complicity in personally not only allowing 9/11 to happen but in ordering it. The hijackers we retained and we had a witness who is married to one of them. The hijackers were U.S. undercover agents. They were double agents, paid by the FBI and the CIA to spy on Arab groups in this country. They were controlled. Their landlord was an FBI informant in San Diego and other places. And this was a direct, covert operation ordered, personally ordered by George W. Bush. Personally ordered. We have incriminating evidence, documents as well as witnesses, to this effect. It's not just incompetence - in spite of the fact that he is incompetent. The fact is he personally ordered this, knew about it. He, at one point, there were rehearsals of this. The reason why he appeared to be uninterested and nonchalant on September 11th - when those videos showed that Andrew Card whispered in his ear the [garbled] words about this he listened to kids reading the pet goat story, is that he thought this was another rehearsal. These people had dress-rehearsed this many times. He had seen simulated videos of this. In fact, he even made a Freudian slip a few months later at a California press conference when he said he had, quote, "seen on television the first plane attack the first tower." And that could not be possible because there was no video. What it was was the simulated video that he had gone over. So this was a personally government-ordered thing.:
http://www.rense.com/general57/aale.htm

Shade....I totally, totally agree about television. It certainly fits the passion for self-renunciation idea. That is why I threw mine out 30 years ago. I wonder what has caused all this desire for self sacrifice in this great Land of Plenty?
I think the Internet has entered as a way to wean ourselves from the addiction.

Jo... I stand corrected. Dubya is NOT a leader. But I think our failures go a long way back-- being a Cancer country and wanting a parent. I think with the Saturn transit to our Sun now, we are facing this issue. We are in charge- we are doing the hiring. We have to take the responsibility of monitoring our "elected officials". I think it is essential for those of us with positive vision to enter the arena and exercise our influence. We can keep encouraging one another here at Astroworld, and remember not to be afraid of the afraid, whose horrible cry seems to take on mythological proportions.

And a few thoughts on racism. This is an incredible treat for me to have this place to express myself You're tops!
I think the fear in racism may go back to primitive times when we were isolated from others and when we encountered a another human-like creature that looked different from us, we were terrified. I guess we have barely begun to recognize the similarities. Maybe this pass of Pluto in Sagittarius will help.
It became envy in the south-- penis, and the black people's ability to express joy through their singing, dancing, free body movement, laughter, open sexuality, etc., in a religiously oppressed environment. It drove the white people crazy with longing.
I agree -- it has become a tool for political control.
I think what may be behind this Bush stuff is guilt, shame, and self-loathing. I guess an antidote would be for us to try and love ourselves.

One more thing...
I have reason to believe that this whole Middle Eastern thing might be about the oil under the Caspian Sea, and the pipelines yet to be built.

And some good news....Sean Hannity has been removed from a radio station in Portland, Ore., and one in Rochester, N,Y., since Air America appeared and his ratings dropped.

Jonathan and Patricia:

Sorry for being so late in responding to both your notes in regard to the two articles I posted from Chris Hedlund last night. Thanks for letting me know you appreciated hiw take on things.

Jonathan: I agree with you... there are just so many ways to interpret how the revolt will occur -- it can drive one crazy!

Patricia: Yes, indeed I do believe in spirit guides -- having tapped into the Universal Consciousness many a time myself. You gave me a good laugh as I think quite a few of us had long and intense conversations with our guides after the 2000 election!

I admit that after watching the outcome of the election -- I was barely breathing for the terrible sense of dread that overcame me. I was horrified at what I "saw" and in the hope that I was wrong, I began to immediately meditated and literally begged for insight, only to be shown the Tower card (as depicted in the Tarot) and told everything was happening as it should. (For those unfamiliar with the Tarot, the Tower card represents enlightenment and change, brought about by destruction of the existing state of being through sudden and usually tragic or shocking events.)

Well, far be it from me to question the Universe, but I had a real hard time understanding that response, especially knowing that the events depicted by the Tower card are generally feared by most. And while I'm all for the enlightenment it brings, I saw the road there would be very difficult. Although normally, I embrace the process of enlightenment and have learned not to fear it, because to me, in a nutshell, it's better to get zapped and be enlightened than to go down a wrong path or remain in the dark. And while I realize that approach works fine for me, having studied metaphysics for 28 years, I knew the majority of people don't think like that; so this enlightenment would likely become quite a painful experience for all of us.

When I sensed the pain and suffering, destruction of people's lives, the loss of our constitutional rights, and being shown the country would be oppressed by one group....I really was not a happy camper. Nope, not my idea of what I wanted to go through. As a matter of fact, I joke with my friends that after Bush became president and I "saw" what he would do, I actually became very depressed, something I didn't even do two years earlier when I was diagnosed with lung cancer, and underwent three rounds of radical chemotherapy and had what turned out to be my 67th surgery in 48 years. (I actually had to argue with the clinical psychologist, that the surgeon routinely made his patients see, that I really wasn't feeling any depression! Honestly!)

Like others of you here, I would very much like to see Kerry win, but hesitate to say he will win, even though after meditating it, I see Kerry. (I say hesitate, only because I try to be detached about who wins, but worry I may not be succeeding.) I was delighted to see what Chris said about him should he not win, as I have begun to believe that Kerry is highly evolved and has much to offer us.

It has taken me a while to get a good sense of him, and I was totally surprised and delighted on more than one occasion when I looked at him to feel Abraham Lincoln's energy was around him. The symbology of this may mean that he will ultimately have the ability to clean up GWB's messes and have the vision to heal and reunite this country; while a second interpretation would be to consider the association of Lincoln to the destruction that ensued during the Civil War that ultimately precipitated the beginnings of a huge change in this country's consciousness. Either way, I believe there is much more to this man than we can glimpse at this time.

Accurately interpreting the signs can sometimes be elusive with more than one way to look at it, but it is interesting that since the Tower card is associated with the planet Mars (have to put at least something astrological in here!) that symbology clearly offered a sign of what was to come. In addition, if you look at some of the pictures in the older versions of the Tarot, the Tower cards actually look similar to what we saw televised on 9/11 -- a sudden tragic shock that began the enlightenment process for this country.

Are we as a whole sufficiently enlightened yet? Or do we need more time? The verdict is still out and too close to call as far as I can see, so in the meantime I'm praying like mad, thinking blue and purple states and constantly reminding myself that we all choose to be here at this place and time for a reason!

(For reference: The first website below is a very, very interesting theological interpretation of the Tower card with great pictures, and the second site is a good discussion of its meaning, if interested:)

http://www.tarot.com/about-tarot/library/boneill/tower
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/2282/tarot/16.htm

Oh... and...

I think that the protests in NYC--all the life, joy ,and creativity-- was the phoenix rising out of the ashes of the destruction of those symbolic towers.

Kathleen... take a look at this.

http://gallery.johnkerry.com/viewphoto.aspx?page=9&photoId=e2dcd85c-ffba-4467-8b91-1a1fef152205

I, too think Kerry is highly evolved, and that we will not miss this great opportunity.

Hello, All,

Buzzflash has a headline about professor arrested for 22 hours for walking. The story is that the prof got off subway at 4 PM to join RNC protest and was arrested less than five minutes later.

This story does say that the NYCPD were using Pier 57 for "holding pens" and it describes the unsanitary/toxic conditions. This is the first thing I've read that confirms part of the rense.com posted story about the girl from Hawaii being held.

Sure would like to know more about Pier 57 etc. Maybe it will come out when some of those arrested appear before a judge.

Barbara, the story about Pier 57 being leased by the RNC has not yet been verified/debunked. It keeps popping back up on DU, but, thus far, no one seems to have gotten their hands on needed documentation.

Kathleen,
Your posting of Chris's astrology readings, led my mind in this direction..............................
"drugged, zombie state......................................
What if we could include in the polls a line or 2 asking what medications people are taking.
I bet it would be VERY revealing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My personal experience with "OTHERS" close to me, on prozac has informed that while their depression may have abated, their view of reality is skewed, making them make unrealistic decisions. Could it be that the 'sheeple" are all on prozac?????????

Susieliberal,
Back close to a year ago when I started posting to this site.I shared my experience on Sept. 14 2001. Both my daughter & I have operatic friends, so we chose to watch the Nat Cathedral Memorial Service on C-span for the uninterrupted singing of Denise Graves the resident contralto.

The cameras panning the front row at the service, caught a fleeting look of triumph, self satisfaction, "mission accomplished", on 4 Bush Family members faces.
( A picture is worth a thousand words!)
Needless to say it was edited out never to be seen again! I am glad Jen saw it too, to bolster my own disbelief!

Another indelible picture remains in my mind ...................During the suspence of the election 2000 debacle..............a row of black SUV's, ( "mafia wagons") against the skyline of Crawford, with barbed wire in the foreground, Bush, Cheney, Powell, dressed in black, conferring while the CNN commentatopr talked!
My thought at the time??? Oh! "The Sopranos" is the top TV program; this All American Mafia is going to get in.

AND do you all remember James Baker in Fla. saying urgently that it wasn't SAFE for the nation to be without leadership long enough to do a complete vote recount!
If they were so concerned about the safety of the nation why did they drop te ball on 9/11??????????????
P QOP

Barbara, weren't all the charges dropped by the cops in NY after the Judge fined them? I don't think these folks will get their day in court unless they sue the government for false arrest. Which throwing a few bucks to pay a fine is chicken feed to the Republicans and worth the price of the example. Scare, humiliate, intimdate and castrate the People...not going to silence US

After reading Claudia's article, I needed something a little more positive and found this tidbit on Marjorie Orr's site re Michael Moore (BTW F-911 comes out on video 10/5):

PRESENT INFLUENCES:
He looks agitated, argumentative and fiery running through October towards the Presidential elections but seems in sociable good spirits over the vital days November 2nd to 6th and is decidedly ebullient over the Inauguration in January 2005.

I imagine that it would be a fine idea to remember that many of the American Collective would be feeling (mostly unconsciously) the focus of tremandous energy of anguish emanating from the Whole World... especially from the Peoples of Afghanistan & Iraq for what the Americans are doing to them via bush&co. Makes Americans squirm n' wiggle... & rightly so. Makes 'em feel mega-guilty about the purchase of their latest SUV or uranian kitchen gadget. ;O)

I would imagine that ameriCO cannot practice mass omnicide, torture, pre-emptive everlasting war & rape as national policy & expect to avoid feeling/experiencing the repercussions. IF bushco insinuates itself back into the WH, the World will have to take them/US out. I would imagine that they'll do it financially. America is broke, broke, broke as in no money... near n' dear to those Americans with no heart. I imagine that China, who actually owns most of ameriCO's "stuff," will spearhead that lil chore. Everyone of us on this thread should have, or be in the process of, getting their financial affairs in order & living sustainably anyway imo.

teresa b.,
Ohhhh, please... do not stand corrected... my lament was with this misadministrator, who fancies himself a CEO...

Stand tall... as you always do... I love your posts... you are so right that we have to take responsibility for whomever or whatever is in power now...

Namaste

Yo JoannaOregon, what China doesn't own Saudi Arabia does. I've 'heard' that if Saudi Arabia pulled it's assets out of the US we'd be bankrupted, totally derail America financially.
It amazes me that the Saudi's got away with participating in and carrying out 9/11 with nary a scratch on them from the US Avengers. Makes one wonder doesn't it?
Or is Saudi Arabia's number coming up and we'll just hold on to their assets under one of our Terra'ist acts. That would certainly plump up our economy.

Joanna, Morgana...

So right... we are broke and being propped up by Wall Street's illusions, pumped out daily... and in hard copy at the WSJ...

Illusions on economy... illusions as to why folks are angry with us...

dKos is reporting on the real situation in Iraq this a.m.,

"Also Saturday, videotape surfaced showing two Americans and a Briton kidnapped two days ago from their house in central Baghdad. Masked gunmen in the footage threatened to kill the men in 48 hours unless female inmates are released from two Iraqi prisons."

This is just part of the picture... but the media will tell us these men who are trying to free the women being 'detained' are 'terrorists'...ha! and no one, absolutely NO ONE in Washington will answer when and if the women and children will be released.

American children are home, watching cartoons or hanging at the malls with friends... their Moms are running errands, doing the 1001 things necessary to keep the household running while they work with poppa to put food on the table... none of them are 'detained' in a prison where they are tortured, raped...

And 'they' wonder why 'they' hate us...! and then 'they' applaud the fact that their older children are sent off to war to fight these 'insurgents', these 'terrorists'...

And the numbers of fallen and wounded Americans rise... the numbers of Iraqi casualties increase... the debt increases and we jail mothers who protest the death of their soldier children, while the 'lady' speaks...

Claudia paints a dark picture... but she is right on the money in her conclusion... 'can't believe what you see? BELIEVE IT! Believe what you 'feel' about what is happening... for it is real...'

Judi, Pat and JO.

I did read the rense.com peice and I thought it was a little over the top. But after all the flack I'm getting for (in my mind - barely) defending Bush - I mentioned this site to my Brother. He is so weird it is unreal (and a somewhat dark with 4 planets in Capricorn) - but he has a strange wisdom. He said that "There is looking the other way and there is planning it - and Bush did more than look the other way. He told people to lay off Bin Laden before the attacks. He may not have actually planned 9/11 - but he at least facilitated it - and he sure planned what they would do afterwards".

So - maybe I'm being too easy on the current admin . I'm wrong a lot. I was sure that Monica Lewinsky made up everything she said to Linda Tripp because she had a crush on Clinton and wanted to impress her friend. I didn't think there was a chance in Hell - knowing how people were after him - Clinton would be so stupid. And even though I was FURIOUS at the 2000 election (I was living in Florida at the time and left a message on the Gore line that we should fight a civil war over the election) after it was all done I thought - "Oh well - maybe Bush won't be so bad. He didn't win the popular vote, and with all the controversy - maybe this will keep him from going crazy." My Brother said at that time - "Just wait - that Son of a Bitch will take us to War - mark my words." Of course - he was right and I was wrong. It is funny because next to my Capricorn Brother - I am a blind optimist - and yet my Aquarius/ Leo rising brother puts me down all of the time for being such a pessimist.

TO ALL,

Many thanks for the all the light you sent. Family on both coasts of Florida have been spared the wrath of Hurricanes Charley, Frances and Ivan, and I ‘m recuperating from Hurricane fatigue!

Some observations as I’ve been periodically lurking here as well as on other blogs and listening to newscasts.

1.Many are suffering from poll itis. Numbers are up. Numbers are down. Kerry will win. Bush will win. See saw. Flip flop.

2.Democrats for now deserve the flip-flop description. One piece of negative news and people are so far down in the dumps that we need a crane to pull them up out of it. Whatever happened to FOCUS, FOCUS, FOCUS on the outcome you want and staying the course no matter what news comes blowing in the wind?

3.We buy into what we want to hear and then are fearful when we hear something we don’t want. Why is it so much easier to be negative than to stay positive? Is it because we have more practice being negative?

4.FACT: NOBODY KNOWS FOR SURE WHO IS GOING TO WIN THIS ELECTION. We can just do our best in whatever way we can and stay FOCUSED ON THE OUTCOME WE WANT.

We are in the process of major planetary changes and when we are in the middle of transformation it is not pleasant. It’s happening to us personally, depending on planetary transits. And it’s happening on a collective basis. Pluto is doing what it does. Neptune is doing what it does. Uranus is doing what it does. Saturn is doing what it does.

Question is, are we responding to the higher aspects of these planets and learning our lessons or are we getting caught in the chaos. OUR CHOICE!!!!!!

WHAT HIGHER ASPECTS OF THESE PLANETARY ENERGIES CAN WE AS INDIVIDUALS TUN IN TO ON A DAILY BASIS?

Higher aspect of Saturn: SELF-RESPONSIBILITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY, and in Cancer, INNER SECURITY, instead of doubt and fear.

Higher aspect of Neptune – FAITH instead of fog, doubt and apathy.

Higher aspect of Uranus- AWAKENING TO HIGHER LEVELS OF THINKING AND BREAKING THROUGH OLD PATTERNS instead of complacency with the status quo.

Higher aspect of Pluto – WISDOM AND INNER POWER instead of giving power and control to others.

There is a higher power, whatever you may call it, guiding and directing our evolution of this planet. May we all tune in to the power of LOVE AND LIGHT that is guiding us all.

A favorite quote:

‘KEEP YOUR HEAD IN THE CLOUDS BUT WATCH OUT FOR THE PUDDLES."

PEACE

I am asking for help here from anyone who has used the solar ingress charts for the 4 seasons. I just drew up the fall ingress chart, and it has the Sun conjunct Jupiter and Mars, very tight. My specific question is: Is the the Sun in these charts indicative of the current government or is it just the general trend for the season for the country.

If the Sun represents bushco we are F****!! On the other hand, it could just be read that the level of political activity will be aggressive, over the top, and pushy. (Sun/Mars/Jupiter) Any ideas on this?

One interesting thing is that Mars by transit will be exactly square to Saturn in this chart on the 2nd, 3rd, and part of the 4th of November. Perhaps this indicates the end of the combat.

JoannaOregon, I had to do a double-take at that word "omnicide" but you are right on target--the killing of everything--that's the rad right's prerogative, they think!

Anyhow, if you folks haven't read the article, check out
http://www.buzzflash.com
scroll down and click on the headline about the professor held for 22 hours.

I got the impression that the man (who teaches ethics) has an opportunity to dispute his arrest and intends to do it. (Though maybe the charges being dismissed is later news. Don't know.)

Hi Nancy,
I've been looking at the Fall Ingress for the last couple of days. The Sun, Jupiter, Mars conjunction. Bushy is gaining confidence, smirking, I'd go with over the top and it'll bite him in the tush. I'm ever optomistic that he can screw things up majorly!
I'm taking a look at what the Moon can do!

I think in the end, down the road, as historians look back on this period, whether he is guilty or not, GWB will be held responsible for 9/11, and will go down as the worst president ever known in this country. At least I am hoping America never elects anyone else as bad as this.

The date that Stanley Hilton filed his suit against Bush et al was June 3rd, 2002. Don't know where or when he filed it though. See

http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/06.21A.pitt.watchtower.htm

Can anyone tell by the date alone if anything will come of this lawsuit?

Suzieliberal, your brother sounds interesting. All it took for me was to hear the names of Bush's cabinet and a voice inside my head said, "here come the dogs of war."

I agree, Shade that shrub is the worst p-resident
But it'll be a toss up between him and ronnie on
who is the worst of the worst.Both stole the elections using different modes. But shrub beyond that used thousands of young innocent lives both
in 9/11 and in Iraq on both sides and for this he
will be the WORST even beating ronnie to that infamy title. If only the justice system here, has
an iota of brain and stand for REAL justice and not a kangaroo court, the whole gansta-shrub,cheny
rummy,cundi must be hanged in a public square like
in the French Revolution!

Has anyone done any LUNAR RETURN charts for John Kerry/Teresa Heinz Kerry and George & Laura Bush to see if there are any indications of a move sometime in January???

I'd love to hear your observations-

Well straight out of the horses mouth...wonder Iran? North Korea? Syria? Whose he stalking? Look out folks he's warning the world he's on the march.

Bush vows to speed the spread of 'freedom'

KENNEBUNKPORT, Maine (AFP) - US President George W. Bush (news - web sites), still facing international criticism of the Iraq (news - web sites) war, said he will make new proposals to spread "freedom" when he addresses the United Nations (news - web sites) this week.

"I will make some additional proposals to expand prosperity and accelerate the march of freedom in our world," he said Saturday in his weekly radio address, recorded at the Bush family home in Maine.

"Never in the history of the United Nations have we faced so many opportunities to create a safer world by building a better world.

"For the sake of our common security, and for the sake of our common values, the international community must rise to this historic moment. And the United States is prepared to lead," Bush said.

~ snip ~

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1520&e=1&u=/afp/20040918/pl_afp/us_vote_bush_un_iraq_040918175836

Nancy do you think Bush would openly start another front before the election?

Teresa... another thing is that Michael Moore is trying to get F911 aired on television the night before the election.

Thanks so much Jo....I am filled with warmth.

With all we know now about the warnings prior to 911, the Aug 6 memo, etc. and the fact that the neocons actually stated in their Project for the New American Century that it would take a new "Pearl Harbor" for their agenda to be possible, the conclusion that they at least allowed 911 to take place is inescapable. But what has always led me to suspect more and why I find the Stanley Hilton lawsuit very interesting is Bush's performance in that classroom. It is not just that he sat there dumbfounded for seven minutes after learning that the nation was under attack. We know now that they knew at that point that at least 4 planes had been hijacked. Two had crashed into the WTC. If they were not in on the planning then there is no way they could have known that only 4 planes had been hijacked. There could have been many more planes with hijackers aboard and set to make missiles of their planes. We also know that Bush's appearance at that elementary school had been well publicized. If they didn't know something, then the assumption should have been that Bush could have been a target too, and all of those in that school were potential targets. And yet Bush just sits there. I can't put out of my mind Michael Moore's voiceover during that sequence in his film: "what was he thinking?" And it wasn't just for 7 minutes. I think it took between 30 and 45 minutes before Bush actually left the building on his way to Air Force One.

If they didn't already know what the plan was, they would have wisked the President away to a secure location right away. And Air Force One would not have taken off into unprotected skies.

I think they done it.

I just noticed that Bush is addressing the United Nations on Tuesday the 21st with the Fall Ingress the following day. That puts the 29 degree Virgo Sun conjunct 29 Jupiter conjunct 26 Mars in the US 9th House which also happens to represent international law ... how interesting. Shall we hear the hew and cry as the peoples of the world become poorer and needier with Bush's version of freedom?
Wow, I wonder how this is going to go over with a fading trine (sun,jupiter,mars) mess with the US Pluto still reverberating?
Nancy any thoughts on Bush's day at the UN?

Well, look at the timing of the shrub's speech to UN... on Tuesday, day after the judge has ordered Pentagon to provide ALL aWol's military records to AP (Monday)...

Looking for distraction is he? "expand prosperity"? Must be talking about more gifts to his wealthy friends... there's none (prosperity that is) here...

I've read reports that the networks may not cover the debates --- that is, if aWol even attends... now watch, the networks WILL cover his UN speech on Tuesday... Urghhhh...

I do recall a program on Sally Jesse or Jenny Jones, I know it's tacky, but my back was to the TV while I painted, so I listened. Got very atuned to inflections, words, and not visuals. Got alot of info for when I meet all the young students each year (thousands) on how NOT to be. Which is dysfunctional behavior . I also remember the body language experts saying that the mouth muscles that comprise the smirk is the tell all sign of the liar. The words may say one thing but the muscles won't lie.

Does anyone have any good books to recommend about the asteroids?
I would love a cookbook of transits if possible. I already own Demetra George's 'Asteroid Goddess'. I find the asteroids so fascniating and I use them for timing. The accuracy of the Universe's time-line is jaw dropping. Thanks in advance.

I have always thought that this bit of reality actuality was strange on Sept 11, 2001

3) 6:00 a.m.: A van occupied by Middle Eastern men pulls up to The Colony Beach and Tennis Resort on Longboat Key, Florida. They state they have an interview with Bush. They are turned away for not having an appointment.

http://www.911timeline.net/

I read Claudia's comments --- am still re-reading. One thing intrigues me... she speaks of asteroid Nemesis as being Rx at 20 degrees Sag... I can't get a handle on date of her comments on this... nor can I find any sort of info online as to where Nemesis might be now or in November... does anyone have any info?

Remember.... Bush always fails.

I think one reason little George is crying so much about freedom is because of his own imprisonment in his 12th house. He knows he is trapped and can't get out now. We've been caught in his prison, torture karma but we don't need him anymore. He needs to do his time alone. Saturn in the 12th indicates solitary confinement to me. Since Saturn is coming above the horizon in the USA chart, I think it is time to forge ahead, work on our relationships, and take true responsiblity in the larger world. We will let Bush go.

I think we should remember the Iraqi karma. I always thought that we were sucked into it. They certainly are a lively bunch. They've been behaving like this for a long time. Hussein had a temporary grip on them and now they are cutting loose in there own inimitable way.

What Kerry has just done is a lesson in how to handle tough transits.He took the blows with grace and dignity, no crybabying, and used the martial energy to perpetuate his vision and ideals. I'm sure he will come out on top in this with his show of strong character.

on 10/26/04 Nemesis 29 Aries 18
on 11/05/04 Nemesis 27 Aries 9

From The Astrology of the Dark Goddess Mysteries by Demetra George

Just one other little thing....

You know that truth is always winding around and between the lines.

An interesting comment came out of the Bush twins memorable attempted speech at the Jonestown commemorative convention.
One of them said that they had just graduated from college and were looking for something to do for the next few years, JUST LIKE DADDY.
Hmmmmm......

Shade,

The silence on this matter (official story of 9/11)is deafening... it is good that we are talking about it, imo...

Couple of other things about the timeline you refer to what used to be online... there was a notation in the early version over 18 months ago that a SAM was placed on the roof of the building aWol was overnighting in at the resort... I have it copied on my hard drive, but it has disappeared from the timeline... would appreciate it if anyone else knows anything about this...

Additionally, Jeb issued an Executive Order three days prior to the shrub's visit to the school (which btw was a last minute addition to his agenda... planned within just days of the actual visit) declaring Florida under a state of emergency... the EO was rescinded couple of days after 9/11...

I have mentioned this on this board before, maybe six or so months ago... the EO is online and I can look for it... but point is, WHY would Jeb have issued such an EO just days before 9/11?

There are tooooo many questions which have never been addressed, much less answered... the link you refer to is very credible... a work in progress that has been ongoing since the event... code name for the operation 'the wedding' ? (Just saw that at the link --- had not seen it before now)

Thank you Morgana!

I think Bush's speech at 29 degrees is part of his long and torrential good-bye... his utterly failed international policy.

Another variable to factor into this sudden desire to "spread freedom" (remember: they always do 180-degrees away from what they say which in this instance I interpret to mean spread violence while uttering "freedom") is Russia. Putin has angered them and they do want that oil same as Putin does.

Aye, Teresa b... The "Iraqi karma" is truly USian karma. He was installed in a coup backed by the same folks, incl rummy during the ray-gun/bushA regimes, nullifying an election of a leader chosen by the People, & for the same reason... grabbing hold/compliance regarding Iraqian oil. The most unhappy Peoples, I'm sure, have had quite enuf of the USian gang of criminals.

Morgana, Nancy,
Tuesday, Sept 21st has been declared International Day of Peace --- see link

http://www.worldpeace.org/peaceday.html

aWol could not possibly go to the UN on that day and speak of WAR, could he? Is even he that crass?

What am I talking about... 9/11/2001 12:00 a.m.: The United Nations International Day Of Peace Begins.

Oh, you mean...

LET VIOLENCE RING!!

My last comment was in reference to Shy's 180 degree turnabout.

Joanna O....

Haven't we all.

Re: Pier 57 and the RNC. I just pulled this off indymedia. Dated Sep 16 2004:

"A few days ago, rumors circulated on tis website that the Republican National Committe (RNC) itself leased the infamous Pier 57 to hold protesters during the convention. However, according to Radical Reference Librarians, Pier 57 was leased by the NYPD--although any funds used to do so may have come out of the money the RNC provided to the city for security.
We are also hearing reports that the City of New York is increasing the charges for about 10% of the protesters who took DATs. According to one poster, "this is a further example of the City using extra-judicial means to punish people for expressing their political views." However, many of the leagl issues surround DATs are unclear. As another poster wrote, "ideally, people who have been recently arraigned will post articles about their experiences and whether they got any nasty surprises when they went to court."'

I don't understand Claudia's comment about Scalia not being there to cover for Shrub this time. Did anyone understand this? Scalia will always cover/protect Bush and Cheney. Did anyone get this? Please explain if you can.

I listened to the archived interview of Alex Jones (a libertarian) with Mr. Hilton and have a couple concerns. Mr. Hilton said he has "documentation" showing Bush ordered the 9/11 attacks. Does anyone think he actualy means he signed order's for the war games that Cheney was undertaking that very morning of 9/11? How could he have such a legitimate document? Seems it would be impossible that Shrub would leave any kind of paper trail. This is absurd. Could there have been a mole who retrieved the document just waiting for the right time to introduce them? If so, the mole would be just as guilty. Something does not ring true about this interview. As you can see, I am not one who watches or reads a lot of mystery writings. Help. What do you all think? I do however, believe that Mr. Hilton could be in great danger.

Did you all catch Alex in his little 60 second "speech" on C-Span at the RNC? If not, it's on the side bar and great fun to hear him as he is so out of the main stream. I replayed it 3 times. Comments like his never get a chance. Talk about a negative future....but I like him a lot.

RE: CAMPAIGN/FOOD DRIVE 3 CANS OF FOOD IS NOT AN EQUAL EXCHANGE FOR A 5.00 YARD SIGN. ASK FOR A BROWN BAG FULL. People will do it. If I lived near you I would and would help you too. Can you find a Democratic attorney to give you some donated legal advise?

Mopaul just posted this over at DU. Did any of you hear Smirky actually say this?

"Free societies are hopeful societies. And free societies will be allies against these hateful few who have no conscience, who kill at the whim of a hat."—Washington, D.C., Sept. 17, 2004 (Thanks to David Stanford.)

Also copied from DU. Chilling. Absolutely chilling.

FBI's Anti-Terror 'October Plan'
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/17/eveningnews/m...
(CBS) Convinced that al Qaeda is still determined to disrupt the U.S. fall elections by an attack on the homeland, FBI officials here are preparing a massive counter-offensive of interrogations, surveillance and possible detentions they hope will disrupt the terrorist plans, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

FBI field offices and Homeland Security agencies will be advised of "extraordinary measures" that will go into place "beginning the first week of October through the elections."

An internal e-mail advisory to supervisory agents this week from the FBI's "'04 Threat Task Force" said the purpose of the counter-offensive is "to foster the impression that law enforcement is focused on individuals who may be a threat."

Specifically, the plan calls for "aggressive - even obvious - surveillance" techniques to be used on a short list of people suspected of being terrorist sympathizers, but who have not committed a crime. Other "persons of interest," including their family members, may also be brought in for questioning, one source said.

Jo, I had remembered the middle eastern guys coming to visit from another timeline site, and had just googled the one I referenced previously. The SAM are mentioned by Paul Thompson who has a book out now on the timeline. (Which was the original site I had remembered.)

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a600missiles

(6:00 a.m.) Complete 911 Timeline
President Bush has just spent the night at Colony Beach and Tennis Resort on Longboat Key, Florida. Surface-to-air missiles have been placed on the roof of the resort. [Sarasota Herald-Tribune, 9/10/02] Bush wakes up around 6:00 a.m. and is preparing for his morning jog. [MSNBC, 10/27/02, New York Times, 9/16/01 (B), Telegraph, 12/16/01] A van occupied by men of Middle Eastern descent pull up to the Colony stating they have a “poolside” interview with the president. They are turned away for not having an appointment. [Longboat Observer, 9/26/01] [Time 8/4/02 (B)]

aWol says he's going to UN to tell the world about his success in Iraq?

Into the abyss

The week Iraq's dream of peace fell apart

By Patrick Cockburn in Baghdad
18 September 2004

Where freedom was promised, chaos and carnage now reign. A suicide bomber in a car blows himself up in the heart of Baghdad killing 13 people. Air raids by US near the city of Fallujah kill scores more. And so ends one of the bleakest weeks in Iraq's grim recent history.

Between them, suicide bombers targeting Iraqi police and US air strikes aimed at rebels have killed some 300 Iraqis since last Saturday - many of them were civilians. The escalating violence throws into doubt the elections planned for January and the ability of the US and interim Iraqi government to control the country.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=563099

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Asia Times
Sept. 18, 2004

Turkey snaps over US bombing of its bretheren
By K Gajendra Singh

For the first time since the acrimonious exchange of words in July last year following the arrest and imprisonment of 11 Turkish commandos in Kurdish Iraq, for which Washington expressed "regret", differences erupted publicly this week between North Atlantic Treaty Organization allies Turkey and the US over attacks on Turkey's ethnic cousins, the Turkmens in northern Iraq.

Talking to a Turkish TV channel, Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul warned that if the US did not cease its attacks on Tal Afar, a Turkmen city at the junction of Turkey, Iraq and Syria, Ankara might withdraw its support to the US in Iraq.

http://fairuse.1accesshost.com/news2/turkey-atimes.html

I have Neptune in the 6th, so housework has never been my area of expertise. But since I found this website, the situation has gotten out of hand. I fear my dust rag and vacuum cleaner have traveled to a parallel universe.
My windows are foggy, though, and I would love to get to washing them...
Ahhh......wishful thinking.

Lawrence - I just had a look at Kerry's and Bush's lunar returns, usually Morgana's purview. Kerry's looks far the better one to me. In his, the Moon is part of a grand trine, with Jupiter and Venus both moving into the trine. Bush has the Sun, Moon, and Mercury square Saturn, with the Mercury Saturn square only minutes from exact, but still waxing. Kerry also has Pluto in the first square the MC, which to me suggests power.

Morgana - I don't think even Bush would be so stupid as to start another front right now. But he could do something in November.

Regarding the UN speech, I think it will go over like a lead balloon. There is a Mars Mercury conjunction quincunx Uranus that day. He may be belligerent and do something surprising. But the Moon is moving into a square with Saturn all day, triggering his Saturn return. I think he will go in thinking he is immersed in God and proposing some nonsence that the UN, not a vetted audience, will not appreciate. The Sun is conjunct his Neptune the day before the speech, so we are talking about really unrealistic expectations going into this thing.

I am waiting impatiently for this Saturn return to become very clear.

Scratch everything I just said about the UN. I was looking at the wrong date. Unfortunately, he looks very good that day with an exact Sun Jupiter Mars conjunction. Our only hope is that he overplays his hand and comes off quite arrogant and overly aggressive, with recklessness and poor judgement. That 29 Virgo doesn't aspect his chart as far as I can tell. Venus will be sextile his Moon, which will help him. The best news is that the Saturn return begins a few days later, so the fallout may not be good. Saturn demands caution and circumspection, exactitude. If he goes to the UN and starts talking about starting more wars, I can't imagine the Saturn return will show mercy.

Regarding Bush's attempted speech.

His needle is stuck in the groove.
I don't expect anything different. I don't think the cosmos is with him.

And I don't think anyone is really paying attention to him anymore.

Interesting story: They're voting in La. today over whether or not to add a ban on Same-sex marriage to their State Constitution. Problem is, according the NYTimes, that the voting machines didn't show up until around Noon in heavily populated (and one can assume more Liberal) New Orleans. Seems as though the drivers delivering them "didn't show up for work." Since those who showed up at the polls when they opened at 6 AM didn't get to vote, they've been told they can vote after the polls close "if they're standing in line already." Unfortunately, scores of people were turned away in Florida and elsewhere in 2000 and 2002 after being made the same promise even though they were standing in line.

I guess anything that can get the Dems motivated to get out the Vote and cross the Ts and dot the Is is good. Just don't take ANYTHING, whether you live in a Battleground State or not, for granted!

Just thought you'd like to know.

These Repugs will stop at nothing. And, trust me, they're not looking at the Polls and wringing their hands. They're FOCUSED on the RESULT they want! We should be, too.

It occurred to me again that bushadruggie is quite the prisoner. We may object to the swat teams, barbed wire, barricades, walls, massive military & other high security personnel with guns n' walkie-talkies, etc., but those things are actually surrounding IT! It can't even fall off its trike inna mud at its Crawford movie set w/o somebody being there... anywhere in the World... "guarding" it... holding it prisoner. Another take on the 12th hse with saturn/sun also there. ;O)

Teresa b... I meant Hussein in my post to you; however, bushadruggie & Hussein do seem like interchangable parts imo.

OH MY GOSH! I got up today and was surfing all the news channels as usual when I crossed FOX they had a huge line of people stating that the documents used in the 60 Minutes piece were forged by members of the DNC. My heart just sank. I immediately switched to other channels and lo and behold.. no one else has this story. I just now got online and was perusing DU when I come across the article from the LA Times below! Wow! In one of my earlier comments a day or two ago, I asked if there was any chance that the document might be a Rove plant to discredit Kerry, but that it might turn into a "Watergate" for Bush.... my, my, this is getting interesting.

Blogger Who Faulted CBS Documents Is Conservative Activist
By Peter Wallsten, Times Staff Writer

WASHINGTON — It was the first public allegation that CBS News used forged memos in its report questioning President Bush's National Guard service — a highly technical explanation posted within hours of airtime citing proportional spacing and font styles.

But it did not come from an expert in typography or typewriter history as some first thought. Instead, it was the work of Harry W. MacDougald, an Atlanta lawyer with strong ties to conservative Republican causes who helped draft the petition urging the Arkansas Supreme Court to disbar President Clinton after the Monica Lewinsky scandal, the Times has found.

The identity of "Buckhead," a blogger known previously only by his screen name on the site freerepublic.com and lifted to folk hero status in the conservative blogosphere since last week's posting, is likely to fuel speculation among Democrats that the efforts to discredit the CBS memos were engineered by Republicans eager to undermine reports that Bush received preferential treatment in the National Guard more than 30 years ago.

Republican officials have denied any involvement among those debunking the CBS story.

Reached by telephone today, MacDougald, 46, confirmed that he is Buckhead, but declined to answer questions about his political background or how he knew so much about the CBS documents so fast.

More...

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/2004/la-091704buck...

or try DU halfway down the page at:
http://www.democraticunderground/

Thanks for the feedback on the campaign issue. We considered the fact that it might look like exploiting people who are hungry, but in the end they still need food.

On the Tower issue, I had the Tower card come up in calendar reading I did for the country as a whole. It showed up on October 20th, in case you were wondering.

And I also came upon a news story in a local paper about how Tarot readers one county over were put out of business because of an old law from the early 1900's about fortunetelling being illegal. God, people are stupid!!!

Lastly, do not fear. All the polls are wrong. Here are ten reasons why.

1) They don't count people who only have cell phones.

2) They only count people who voter in the last 3 out of 4 major elections AND say they plan to vote this time.

3) Over half of the people who participated in the presidential primaries in the winter were voting for the first time.

4) Undecideds usually break for the challenger.

5) The pollsters' weighting mechanisms suck. (I could spend hours discussing this.)

6) They don't count the votes of the 5 million Americans living abroad or the absentee voters from the military.

7) The times that they call and poll people are such that they have a huge over-sampling of seniors and stay-at-home moms.

8) They don't count people who don't have phones.

9) Many pollsters have questions that are biased and "push" for a particular answer.

10) While half of the polls usually are correct in picking the winner, none of the polls have ever accurately predicted the breakdown of the results.

So the next time you freak out about the polls, just take a deep breath and relax.

The Buckhead, CBS document story gets even stranger.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/18/151330/049

teresa b

Thank you, thank you, thank you... I needed a good laugh.. guess we all do! Now if you were here in Oregon you could stop worrying about the windows as it has been pouring buckets for the last two days!

"I have Neptune in the 6th, so housework has never been my area of expertise. But since I found this website, the situation has gotten out of hand. I fear my dust rag and vacuum cleaner have traveled to a parallel universe.
My windows are foggy, though, and I would love to get to washing them...
Ahhh......wishful thinking."

Also, thanks for the site to that picture of Kerry! It is quite interesting isn't it?

shade

Thanks for that last post regarding the Buckhead, CBS document story. Some of the comments were quite interesting. I've had a feeling that this could erupt into something bigger.....

I have Neptune in the 7th, I hired a housekeeper.

t minus 27 minutes

For what Mike?

Mike & Guido's little surprise.

On this board?

Who cares what board, Pat C., so long as I get Ouida May back?

Hey Pat C. Did ya get drenched by Ivan and did the twisters miss ya?

Morgana, the record for tornados was actually broken, along with rain, rain, rain. Fun times in the city! There were no fatalities, thank goodness.

Shylurker, I have been away, so I'm really confused!

My spirit guide, Ouida May, somehow hooked up with Mike's spirit guide, Guido. Mike has been promising something wonderful to occur this evening. I am hoping that also means that Ouida May will return to me.

(We're way out there on this, Pat C., so don't even bother trying to follow. Just enjoy.)

Eerie,
Go back & look at the 9/11Timeline Again.
The first event of THATday was..........................
UN Day of Peace!!!!!
PQOP

I Guido, spirit guide to mike and others, is offering his first and last set of predictions. mike is not responsible for the content or accuracy of these predictions nor do they reflect the views of either the AW management or the central office. These predictions are set to reach fruition in the next 12 months.

I Guido, spirit guide to mike and a former Grand Master of the Bayonne, NJ Masonic Lodge, do predict (12:01AM, EDT; 77w20 38n58):

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John Kerry will live through the Nov. 2nd election and become the 44th president of the United States. http://www.sfbctc.org/opening.htm

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Many AW’ers will experience agida in this process and try a number of natural and over-the-counter remedies; to no avail

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Kerry’s first appointment will be Nancy Waterman as Director of NASA. This agency will re-orient its efforts to include astrology. In addition, Kerry will appoint Sally Cheyne McDonald as Chief Librarian, Library of Congress.
http://www.astrosociety.org/education/publications/tnl/56/earth.html

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Bush will leave Washington for Crawford where his welcome will be tepid. Within two to three months of Kerry’s inauguration, enough information will be released to achieve a broad consensus that Bush was the very worst president we’ve ever had; or, more accurately, the one president who was truly malicious and vile beyond any comparison (Richard Nixon fans will be vindicated). Bush will pursue a career in acting:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/autorank/fantasyempire.jpg

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Kerry will appoint a number of AW’ers to key posts:
Jo, Secretary of Defense;
http://www.gvsdestoroyah.com/Tanks2.htm
Pat C., White House Communications Director;
http://www.marybmoore.com/presssec.html
and Domael, Secretary of Agriculture. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/autorank/americangothic.jpg

In addition, he will replace the tottering William Rehnquist with Robert Hand as the new Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court.
http://www.robhand.com/
wv will be appointed new FBI Director and move the agency to WV.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/autorank/crimebusters.jpg

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Startling facts will emerge that tie the torture at Abu Ghraib to the sadistic predilections of Bush in a way that will stun Americans as never before.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/autorank/bushalghraibonleash300jpg.jpg

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The Twilight Zone episode with the old man who had the pill converting water to gas will turn out to be true. We will not need oil from anywhere anymore.

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Shylurker will reveal herself to the public as, Patty McCormick, the former child star who played the homicidal preteen Rhoda Penmark in “The Bad Seed.”
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/autorank/badseed.jpg
She will resume her career in show business by taking over the host spot on “The View.” Ouida May will be her co-host. http://web.dbtech.net/~suncastl/lady.htm

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An insider drone will reveal that major media personalities, television, print, pollsters, have been paid off to manipulate the news and support the Bush administration. This will be far more explicit than anyone expected involving ‘paymasters’ and direct payoffs. This will also shock Americans.
http://mediawhoresonline.com

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Bhakti will fix her computer and resume posting on AW (Guido predicted this several hours before it actually happened, trust him).

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http://www.secret-teachings.com/angel_art/st_michael_raphael_full.jpg

Ok, I'll just watch.

Mike, you are a NOODLE!!

I am fond of my role as a tabbly cat. If you had made it calico, I could have given old Ashcroft a good scare. ROFL!

Excellent, truly excellent, Mike! But what will be your role in the new order of things?

i've decided to be a shy lurker! you know, like they say in the good book, 'be passer by.' or maybe i'll start a commune in nw arizona and call it neuvo ponderosa. or maybe i'll write a book, get a call, and show up on 'the view' with you and ouida may.

(I'm not sure I can type I'm laughing so hard.)

And Morgana? At least head of the National Weather Service!

Just got thru reading Miss Dikinis's new piece. She reminds me how during the 50s, since she brot it up as one of latest fascists' attempts to gain hold of the US... well, he died not too long after reaching peak as a lonely sick alkie (12th hse). Tut tut. And Hitler, after reaching peak, had the rather awful fate of being cooked in ITS own juices in an underground tomb... um, bunker (12 hse), by about as much "hell-fire" as one could possibly conjure up... he DID say he was finishing the work of Jesus. ;O)

I'm still working on the notion that perhaps bushaholic is actually a very evolved being sacrificially dedicated to pushing everybody else into quick-time greater spiritual awareness & consciousness-raising (12th Hse). I 'spose it could fit. Meanwhile, it certainly is raising spiritual pus to the surface for cleansing. Meanwhile, let the poetry & water flow!!

Britain to cut troop levels in Iraq

Jason Burke, chief reporter
Sunday September 19, 2004
The Observer

The British Army is to start pulling troops out of Iraq next month despite the deteriorating security situation in much of the country, The Observer has learnt.
The main British combat force in Iraq, about 5,000-strong, will be reduced by around a third by the end of October during a routine rotation of units.

The news came amid another day of mayhem in Iraq, which saw a suicide bomber kill at least 23 people and injure 53 in the northern city of Kirkuk. The victims were queueing to join Iraq's National Guard.

More than 200 people were killed last week in one of the bloodiest weeks since last year's invasion, strengthening impressions that the country is spinning out of control.

Yesterday grim footage apparently showing a British engineer kidnapped from a house in Baghdad last week along with two American colleagues surfaced in a video released in the Iraqi capital. The group holding the three threatened to execute them unless Iraqi women prisoners are released from jail.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1307980,00.html

The red head picked up story about Mom of soldier who died in Iraq arrested for protesting war during the 'lady's' speech...

No Stars, Just Cuffs
By MAUREEN DOWD

Published: September 19, 2004

WASHINGTON — In World Wars I and II, gold star mothers were the queens of their neighborhoods, the stars in their windows ensuring that they would be treated with great respect for their sacrifice in sending sons overseas to fight and die against the Germans and Japanese.

Instead of a gold star, Sue Niederer, 55, of Hopewell, N.J., got handcuffed, arrested and charged with a crime for daring to challenge the Bush policy in Iraq, where her son, Army First Lt. Seth Dvorin, 24, died in February while attempting to disarm a bomb.

She came to a Laura Bush rally last week at a firehouse in Hamilton, N.J., wearing a T-shirt that blazed with her agony and anger: "President Bush You Killed My Son."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/19/opinion/19dowd.html?hp

Kathleen...

And thank you for the response. I spend far too much time amusing only myself.
Unfortunately, as bad as my windows are, buckets of rain would do me no good...they would merely push the dirt around.

And regarding the Kerry pic... yes, it is most interesting.

Wonderful predictions O Great Guido!

Transiting Jupiter is within minutes of my Jupiter/Moon conjunction in Sagittarius in the ninth house. I am experiencing a magnificent enthusiasm for life at the moment.

Thank you all, Astroworlders, for being here. I feel so lucky and well-connected. O that lovin Cosmos!

From DU, this could be very important:

News Advisory:

Wednesday, Sept. 22. Two press events: 9:30 am (National Press Club, by invitation only; features a surprise and a three-hour head start for TV news) and 12:30 pm EST (The Ballroom at Heldref Publications, open to all journalists, policymakers, and to the public)

Startling demonstrations using real election software proving that any teenager or terrorist with a laptop can create havoc with the election results in November. Or, more onerous: Anyone with an agenda or a profit motive can help themselves to an election with subtlety such that no one will ever know.

-more-

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2365748

Very interesting. The 22nd will boast the Autum Equinox, Moon perigee, and Mercury sq Pluto.

My my my.

Morgana, I was wrong about the fatalities. There were local fatalities because of the tornados, and the damage goes on from the flooding in several states.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/18/politics/campaign/18guard.html

Bill Burkett, the former Texas National Guard officer who has been caught up in the mystery of how CBS News acquired memos that seem to question President Bush's Vietnam-era National Guard service, unsuccessfully offered information and advice to help the Kerry campaign attack Mr. Bush, according to a posting Mr. Burkett wrote in an e-mail newsletter.

"I spent some time on the phone with the Kerry campaign seniors yesterday," Mr. Burkett wrote on Aug. 21 in an e-mail letter circulated to a list of about 600 Texas Democrats.

He complained that he had to "get through seven layers of bureaucratic kids trying to get a job after the election."

"I talked with Max Cleland," Mr. Burkett continued, referring to the former senator from Georgia who has been supporting Senator John Kerry's Democratic presidential bid.

Alluding to advertisements by a veterans group that deprecates Mr. Kerry's Vietnam service, Mr. Burkett continued, "I asked if they wanted to counterattack or ride this to ground and outlast it, not spending any money. He said counterattack."

"So I gave them the information to do it with," Mr. Burkett wrote. "But none of them have called me back."

Mr. Burkett did not say what information he offered. Earlier this year, he gained attention for saying that in 1998 he saw aides to Gov. George W. Bush of Texas and Guard officials dispose of pieces of Mr. Bush's National Guard record that could prove politically embarrassing. Mr. Bush's aides have denied his account.

"I volunteered to come back out with more," Mr. Burkett wrote.

Mr. Burkett, who was at home on his ranch in Baird, near Abilene, on Friday, declined to comment.

Mr. Cleland said in a telephone interview that Mr. Burkett called him "a couple of weeks ago," as he was out campaigning for Mr. Kerry.

"I couldn't swear to it whether he used the term documents or information," Mr. Cleland said. "It was some kind of stuff, some kind of information he wanted to get to the campaign, or something, regarding Bush's National Guard service. I referred him up to somebody in the campaign."

Mr. Cleland said he received up to 100 calls a week from people with tips and ideas. "He sounded like he had something," Mr. Cleland said. "But of course, in this business, you go around, every friend, everyone around the corner, has some something or other."

Campaign officials said Mr. Cleland had referred Mr. Burkett to someone at the campaign who passed his message on to the research department, where the message was set aside amid the deluge of other calls.

More...

Yep, in Bushworld we have a war and cut your taxes. What the idiots supporting this agenda do not realize is that according to fairy tales, you pay with your first born child. And this president lives in a fairy tale. Look out you 'afraid of the terrorists, Bush makes me feel safer fools.'

Adrian is good IMHO, so this gives me hope.

http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/04_articles/2004/01_trends.htm

snip....

Peace and the US election

When Jupiter moves from exile in Virgo into Libra, things will brighten up. The October eclipse takes place with five planets in Libra, so this sign will be in the headlines in some way. On November 5th, Venus conjoins Jupiter at 8 Libra, which is surely a happy period, and a great time for relationships in general. Jupiter/Venus combinations are often related to peace, so we can expect a lot of successful international diplomacy at this time. Of course it occurs immediately after the US election which - in contrast to the 2000 election - promises to be just and fair. Saturn stations at 27 Cancer at this time exactly opposite US Pluto, so perhaps this means a time of reckoning for secret powers that manipulate behind the scenes.

2004 begins with a businesslike atmosphere as the establishment tries to create stability and order in the wake of the Jupiter/Saturn sextile. It ends with a Jupiter/Neptune trine, which takes place on November 29th 2004, and repeats in the following year in March and August, with Neptune from 13 to 17 Aquarius. Enjoy the dreams, inflate the balloons and celebrate the euphoria. It could last a long time... but when the Saturn/Neptune opposition takes place from Leo to Aquarius in 2006, then make sure you have parachuted to safety.

Tweety wants to know which presidential candidate has the better plan for peace in Iraq. (More accurately: which presidential candidate has a plan for peace in Iraq.)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/

http://doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.html

Good one.

Shylurker, heh, Kerry is winning. So much for CNN.

What really irritates me is the fact that Bush did not finish his time in the National Guard, period. There are soldiers now who are being told that they are not being allowed to leave when their terms of service are up, even though they have already served in Iraq. What if they just don't show up for a physical, change course and just head off for college or work on a pollital campaign?

These men and women would go to jail. These men and women are no more or less serving during a time of war than Bush was.

With all this Libra at the election, I can't help but conclude that the next Presidency will be about winning the peace and mending relationships. With Jupiter being the dispositor of the Pluto in Sagittarius, I would think that the destructive phase may be over. Of course it will be challenging with the nodes of the moon moving into Aries and Libra.

It looks as though they are now trying to make George over into the peace President...UN, Allawi coming, etc. A little late, don'tcha think? That won't sit well with all the fellows whose impotency feeds on George Bush's guns. Oh well, win some, lose some.

Yes Pat C....

I think that is going to be the greatest effect of the National Guard issue...the guys and their families are going to feel this at a very fundamental level. They ain't gonna like it.

He used the term 'tragicomedy' in his article and it aptly describes this entire mess. Joshua Micah Marshall over at "Talking Points Memo" just posted an article about the feds' interest in the author of the fake Niger-yellowcake document. Go check it out.

.....and Bush's administration has, and never has had a peace plan. Jupiter knows.

It's too late Baby, well it's too late.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31689-2004Sep18.html

Strains Felt By Guard Unit on Eve Of War Duty

FORT DIX, N.J. -- The 635 soldiers of a battalion of the South Carolina National Guard scheduled to depart Sunday for a year or more in Iraq have spent their off-duty hours under a disciplinary lockdown in their barracks for the past two weeks.

The trouble began Labor Day weekend, when 13 members of the 1st Battalion of the 178th Field Artillery Regiment went AWOL, mainly to see their families again before shipping out. Then there was an ugly confrontation between members of the battalion's Alpha and Charlie batteries -- the term artillery units use instead of "companies" -- that threatened to turn into a brawl involving three dozen soldiers, and required the base police to intervene.

That prompted a barracks inspection that uncovered alcohol, resulting in the lockdown that kept soldiers in their rooms except for drills, barred even from stepping outside for a smoke, a restriction that continued with some exceptions until Sunday's scheduled deployment.

The battalion's rough-and-tumble experience at a base just off the New Jersey Turnpike reflects many of the biggest challenges, strains and stresses confronting the Guard and Reserve soldiers increasingly relied on to fight a war 7,000 miles away.

This Guard unit was put on an accelerated training schedule -- giving the soldiers about 36 hours of leave over the past two months -- because the Army needs to get fresh troops to Iraq, and there are not enough active-duty or "regular" troops to go around. Preparation has been especially intense because the Army is short-handed on military police units, so these artillerymen are being quickly re-trained to provide desperately needed security for convoys. And to fully man the unit, scores of soldiers were pulled in from different Guard outfits, some voluntarily, some on orders.

More....

I mean the administration "does not have"

very interesting...

and of course, their job description did not include combat duty in an illegal, so- called war. Plus, their families are being denied health insurance, while many of them have given up their jobs, and may likely not have one if they are lucky enough to return.

It's a dirty double-cross.

I think the end result will be instinctive with the military folk, and John kerry's decision to highlight his war experience will have turned out to be correct.

They will know he has some understanding of their plight.

Just looking at GWB's chart for election day and
Mars is transiting the IC (4th cusp) which to me could mean a change of residence. Also Venus/Jupiter right on Neptune - high but unrealistic hopes?

I'm sure this has been talked about before here, but after watching the Sunday political shows I felt compelled to go back to the charts. I want to see MORE of Kerry and the media is not only bashing him a good bit but they're also hiding him. And speaking of bashing, most pundits are extremely critical of Dan Rather and his "blunder." This is going to hurt him and CBS. They're all on the bandwagon it seems. Almost reminds me of when the Clinton Monica thing started no one could talk about anything else.

Bring on those Libra planets!!!

Just woke up from a dream I'd like to share.
Seems that I was in Lake Tahoe(my original home) after visiting my wife, grandson, etc. in the hospital after they were attacked in our home.
Anyway, it was snowing(beautiful)and I was then in a nice log home when John Kerry came around a corner of a hallway completely naked(he was also completely tan, no panty lines, I don't know why I noticed that). He seemed totally at ease about being there, too. Soon he was traditionally dressed in suit and tie and I greeted him as "Mr. President." Yet, he said he wasn't so sure and seemed exceptionally down. I found the courage to tell him about the heavenly alignments of the moment and that his depression may linger or sink even deeper for a short time, and that by October he would begin to see quite an improvement. Anyway, I won't go into our lengthy discourse here, but suffice to say that "Mr. President" was a bit sheepish about believing in astrology, but he always had a curiosity. He left after an embrace from me and I noticed after he was leaving that he kept looking at a spot on his left front shoulder(where my face had been when I embraced him, he is 6'4" after all) as if he wanted to brush it off or something. Dream fades.
Looks like Kerry is reaching out in the astral realms looking for anything. I did find I had a deep love for this man. Although he seems unsure and protective around other people, you can really feel how much he cares.

Mark from So. Utah

ohhhhhh...naked kerry...that is a cool dream. seems you presented him to yourself without defenses, which is the case now.

about 2 weeks ago, sally said that if the 7am birthtime for kerry was right, he'd be out of trouble mid september and if the 8 was correct, things would turn his way in early october. i made the mistake of saying any problems would be outward manifestations via his opponent *. silly me, whishful thinking.

i'd rather have kerry be mr. october than mr. september. people in NPW (normal people world) are just starting to pay attention and the debates will cap it. if kerry attacks bush head on with questions like: how can you oppose stem cell research when it means death and suffering; how could you do such a bad job of post-war planning in iraq; tell us the truth about the draft; why won't you let medicare negotiate group discounts with drug companies; who's going to pay the deficit...really IN HIS FACE...then he'll surge even in the media hack polls and he'll win. of course, guido knows he'll win.

best thing now is to stop watching any network tv except cbs and stick w/print-internet media, c-span, and friends. we are having an impact. cnn is officially non-viable (business term, means they lose way too much w/out hope for ever returning to break-even, profitibility). why, because they jerked their audience around. faux cable has only 2.5 million viewers (city of houston size audience, wow, i'm so worried.lol.). the ms & cnbc's are below cnn.

the revolution takes place on the internet and it's neither censored or edited.

keep the faith!!! the off-the-grid cell phone users, night shifters, poll refusnicks, and workers of america are ready for the big ambush.

adios *

Let's send Kerry our astral support.

I think Bush might do well in the debates. Kerry is a gentleman, and I think Bush will rise to the occasion.
Kerry will set the tone. In my opinion he already IS the leader. It is his very nature. Make no mistake, as so many people are saying now, following his lead.
He knows his own superiority, and I think he will encourage his partner to do his best. A real debater does this.

In the end, John's maturity, dignity, and strength of character will win him the election.

I believe it is a good thing that the media is ignoring Kerry. They would only cheapen and destroy his good works with the people. He is under cosmic protection.

And we, oh wonderful Astroworlders, with our dreams, are part of it.

By the way, I saw Kerry in Colorado last Friday and his caring for the people was profound. Everyone felt it. Ther was crying, laughter, and, of course, joy. What else could we expect from a double Sag? Several people said they were undecided when they came in, but were no longer.

oh, I just noticed my mistake. Transiting PLUTO is on my Jupiter/moon.

I truly loooove this site!

Something to consider about the possibility of Marshall Law.

Does anyone remember the Iran/Contra hearings when one of the Senators asked about a little known document referring to Rex84? Ollie was being questioned at the time and the hearings immediately went into closed session.

Rex84 is a contingency plan brought about by the then powers that be(Nixon admin.)during the turbulent late 60's early 70's and the resultant rise of the minority movements, ie., Black Panthers et.al. In it was the concern about what would happen if all these groups succeeded in fomenting revolution among the largely black inner-city populations around the major metropolitan centers in the country. The plan called for a containment and holding strategy for these populations and their "sympathizers." Money was alocated to recondition the existing camps used for the internment of Japanese Americans in WWII. These internment camps are still maintained today. In the event of the aforementioned revolution, Marshall Law would be enacted and the plan implemented.

Now, fast forward to the events of our own time and the current administration. Is it conceivable for us to imagine a situation that could create the use of such a plan? Perhaps a terroist plot with a neuclear weapon? Consider earlier posts about the Swift Boats Vets for truth and their compiling a list of URL's against their lies? Does this not awaken a lurking suspicion as to why they would want this kind of info?

Also, what about the floating of the story a few months back about the possibility of the election being postponed? Testing the waters, perhaps? This administration will stop at nothing people, nothing! It's not just W. It's those that are in power, the idealogues, rabid right-wing religious extremists of our own that believe they have a religious edict from God to persue these agendas.

Just consider these possibilities. It's not fear, but detached(T Neptune in Aquarius)objective observation that needs to be considered.

Mark in So. Utah

The War on Terror will disappear with the Terrior. It will be remembered as the hoax it is.
With the Aries/Libra nodal opposition coming, we will come to a real relationship with war and peace.

WANT SOME GOOD NEWS?????????????

OK, HERE IT IS. 30% OF THE USA LIVES ON THE INTERNET OR ON THEIR CELLS. CELL USERS DON’T GET CALLED FOR POLLS. LOOK AT THESE STATS. THE REVOLUTION STARTS HERE.

THIS IS 30% OF THE POPULATION.
REMEMBER, THEY ARE NOT CALLED FOR POLLS.
WHAT’S YOUR GUESS OF THEIR KERRY/BUSH SPLIT AND HOW MANY OF THEM WILL VOTE?):

GEN X'ers
Cell use: 90%>
% of USA: 18

Wired Boomers (core aw constituency…like the ‘wired’ part)
Cell use: 82%
% of USA: 6

Young tech elite]
Cell use: 90%>
% of USA: 6

From: http://www.khalsaweb.com/internetarticles/technology-demographics.html

"· Young tech elites: comprise 6% of the population and their average age is 22 years old. All of them have internet access and most of them have cell phones, This group heavily participates in online interactivity including: music downloads, participation in online groups, viewing streaming audio and video clips. Seventeen percent of this group has logged on to the internet using a wireless internet connection.

· Old wired baby boomers: comprise 6% of the population and their average age is 52. This group spends more money online than any other group. They all have internet access and 82% have cell phones. They actively gather information online and use the internet for transactions.

· Wired GenXers: comprise 18% of the population and their average age is 36. All of them use the internet. Cell phone use is 82%. They also make use of interactive aspects of the internet.”

hey, teresa, i like your pluto conj. jupiter/moon energy. i've got pluto conj. jupiter. fun isn't it?

Also... the Libra stellium at the election occurs around the USA Saturn in Libra.... Pretty serious diplomacy, and a realistic view of our allies and enemies.

hey Mike!....my brother!

Yes, yes, yes,...Great Jupiter fun!

And speaking of fun....

We've got a Jupiter Pres coming.

And no terrorist is going to ruin it.

Hey!

Don't call me an old wired baby boomer!

I run 18 miles a week and I'm lookin' good!

Before I head out for my Aries rising run.... one more thing.
The media and all these misguided experts seem like little children to me...as do the killers in the White House....apparently Bush killed frogs as an even smaller child.

Don't worry. Help is on the way.

Astrologers and others on this board have been suggesting there might be an economic 'downward' trend this fall... here's an item you won't read in the mainstream press or hear any of the 'going broke' networks...

UN Report Says World Economic Growth Threatened by US Deficit
Lisa Schlein
Geneva
16 Sep 2004, 17:51 UTC

A new U.N. Report warns the huge U.S. fiscal and trade deficits are threatening global economic recovery. In its Trade and Development Report 2004, the U.N. Conference on Trade and Development says the United States must reign in its deficits to keep economic growth sustainable.
UNCTAD says the global economy is brighter now than it was a year ago. In 2003, the world economy grew by 2.6 percent and U.N. economists expect it to reach nearly four percent this year.

But they say the outlook for a sustained recovery is uncertain.

UNCTAD Deputy Secretary-General Carlos Fortin says the world economy has been largely driven by the United States, which essentially is operating on the basis of expansionary and fiscal monetary policies. He says this is creating fiscal and trade deficits which are much larger than they were 10 years ago.

"The problem is that all that cannot be sustained, we think, in the long-run and that adjustments will take place," said Carlos Fortin. "First on the fiscal front, the budget deficit will have to be reigned in at some point. We are making no predictions as to when this will happen. But, we feel that it will happen. The monetary expansionism is going to have to be restrained as a result, among other things, of the oil prices which are creating inflationary pressures."

Mr. Fortin says the U.S. trade deficit will have to be tackled through exchange rate movements.

The report notes that Japan and other countries in East Asia, including China, are running enormous trade surpluses with the United States. Last year, it says East Asian developing countries bought more than $210 billion in foreign currency compared to the U.S. budget deficit of $455 billion and a U.S. trade deficit of $490 billion. In other words, Mr. Fortin says about half of the U.S. trade deficit is being covered by foreign states.

"If the United States, in effect, decides to devalue in order to do something about this trade deficit, this will immediately prompt a reaction on the part of the Asian countries who have all those enormous amounts and volumes of U.S. currency," he said. "And, they may decide at that point to diversify their foreign exchange holdings and start buying assets in other denominations, particularly in the euro. That is, we think, a very serious cause for concern about the sustainability of the situation."

The UNCTAD report warns that a weaker U.S. economy and increasing trade imbalances among the major economic blocks could lead to protectionism. It adds this would increase instability in currency and financial markets, badly impacting developing countries.

http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=3B7EA829-D5D1-4178-A583E449B995E7CE&title=UN%20Report%20Says%20World%20Economic%20Growth%20Threatened%20by%20US%20Deficit#

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/09/19/1095532176840.html?oneclick=true

In one of the severest penalties ever imposed on a bank in Japan, regulators ordered Citigroup to close its Japanese private banking operations because of violations of the country's banking laws.

The Financial Services Agency ordered Citibank to shut the four branches in Japan offering private banking to wealthy customers after the agency discovered a string of violations and improprieties over the last three years.

The problems include failing to effect measures to prevent money laundering, overcharging customers for financial derivatives and making loans that helped clients carry out a variety of improper deals, regulators said.

Also on the uncounted list that the poll takers aren't reaching: the millions of American citizens living abroad. Kerry's sister is now in Europe and is now courting them and registering them to vote. Many of them have never voted in a US election but according to news sources they're chomping at the bits to vote in this election.

Re touchscreen voting:

"If the government cannot prove the honesty and accuracy of the election on which they assume authority over the people, then the people are neither legally nor morally obligated to obey that government's dictates nor to pay its bills."

------ Michael Rivero

If you don't trust him, go check out the U.S. Constitution...

Mike, re people not reached by telephone polls--add all the people with caller ID (like my household). We only answer when it is someone we know or might know. The rest, we assume, are telemarketers or other nuisance calls.

Shylurker, thanks for info on NYC arrests. Also have been meaning to thank you for those internet-poll alerts. I always haste over and vote.

I LOVE MIKE'S IDEAS FOR THE DEBATES ---

"i'd rather have kerry be mr. october than mr. september. people in NPW (normal people world) are just starting to pay attention and the debates will cap it. if kerry attacks bush head on with questions like: how can you oppose stem cell research when it means death and suffering; how could you do such a bad job of post-war planning in iraq; tell us the truth about the draft; why won't you let medicare negotiate group discounts with drug companies; who's going to pay the deficit...really IN HIS FACE...then he'll surge even in the media hack polls and he'll win. of course, guido knows he'll win."

Mike, can't you email this to Tom Brokaw or whomever will be asking the questions? I am sure they will ask the hard questions but these are really perfect.

thanks for the suggestion. i'll mail them to mr. t, although i don't expect much. i'm not even in the news biz and it took about 90 seconds to come up with those. old tom could do this and more if he wants to...ps. no author to message, who are you (not a metaphysical question, just practical)

Oh hi, it was me, Sharon (Katz).

BTW, I don't know that Tom is one of the questioners; he was just an example. It shouldn't be too difficult to find out though.
On the other hand, it may not be so easy to find out, but I'll bet Jo or Pat C could in a heartbeat :-)

The media ask hard questions but don't overestimate them. They may leave some of these issues out.

Also, I think that some of the media people do read their email and answer it -- at least some of it :-)

Yeah! I'm the 300th Post! Now I don't know what to say!!! I'm just happy to be the 300th Post!!!!! :-)

Methinks Saturn is returning home to roost (hope so)...

(CNN) McCain: Bush Not Straight Enough on Iraq

Oooooh, the article mentions Republican and Democratic senators attacking the president...
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/19/iraq.senators...

Bush failing to admit Iraq's worsening situation: Washington Post
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/2004...

WASHINGTON (AFP) - President George W. Bush (news - web sites)'s description of recent events in Iraq (news - web sites) is "bland to the point of dishonesty," the Washington Post charged, in a blistering editorial accusing the president of failing to admit the worsening situation in Iraq.

"His description of Iraq is bland to the point of dishonesty," the leading daily wrote, noting that Bush said Friday that, "despite ongoing acts of violence," Iraq has a strong prime minister, a national council and that it will hold elections in January.

"Not only has Mr. Bush not said how, or whether, he intends to respond to the worsening situation -- he doesn't really admit it exists," the Post said.

"This duck-and-cover strategy may have its political advantages, but it is also deeply irresponsible and potentially dangerous," the Post wrote.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=1...
excerpt:
"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Leading members of President Bush (news - web sites)'s Republican Party on Sunday criticized mistakes and "incompetence" in his Iraq (news - web sites) policy and called for an urgent ground offensive to retake insurgent sanctuaries.

In appearances on news talk shows, Republican senators also urged Bush to be more open with the American public after the disclosure of a classified CIA (news - web sites) report that gave a gloomy outlook for Iraq and raised the possibility of civil war.

"The fact is, we're in deep trouble in Iraq ... and I think we're going to have to look at some recalibration of policy," Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel (news, bio, voting record) of Nebraska said on CBS's "Face the Nation." ..."

BTW, the above links cited are from DU. The news just keeps getting better & better this evening. Hope the mainstream catches wind of this!

EVIDENCE OF TAMPERING IN BUSH GUARD FILE AS RELEASED BY WHITE HOUSE...

EVIDENCE OF TAMPERING IN BUSH GUARD FILE AS RELEASED BY WHITE HOUSE... APPARENT DELETIONS AND CHANGES; ANOMALIES FOUND... Developing tonight... On one file, text appears to have been deleted and then retyped, but text doesn't line up; On another, text blacked out, possibly corrective tape...

http://www.rawstory.com /

Better link to McCain comments -
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/19/iraq.senators/index.html

Unfortunately he's very hawkish, but he always seems so evenhanded in his criticism of both candidates. Can't help but wonder what he's got up his sleeve. Can he really be this honest? If so, watch out if the Republicans run him for anything. His approach has got to be winning him fans.

Sharon and Mike, Tom is not one of the questioners for the debates. He is furious.

Last 2 comments were mine. I guess the "remember info" box had to be checked again. I'm done hogging the board for now. Just wanted to share the good news :-)

Jonathan, HOW do you know you are the 300th post? Please don't tell me you are counting them? I don't see any numbers anywhere on my page except the security numbers...

Judi, on the main page, the number of comments is listed (in parentheses) right after the "Comments" link.

Mr. Mike, I'd prefer (if you don't mind) to be Mary Hartman.

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?emx=x&pid=1830

Quotes of the Week: "When the Americans fire back, they don't hit the people who are attacking them, only the civilians," said Osama Ali, a 24-year-old Iraqi who witnessed the attack [in Baghdad]. "This is why Iraqis hate the Americans so much. This is why we love the mujahedeen." (Dexter Filkins, Raising the Pressure in Iraq, the New York Times, Sept. 14)

"The United States military seemed set to press ahead with more attacks in Falluja. In areas just outside the city, American forces spoke through loudspeakers and called for a local militant, Omar Hadeed, to ‘come out and fight,' witnesses said Monday." (Sabrina Tavernise, U.S. Attacks Rebel Base in Falluja; 20 Are Killed, the New York Times, Sept. 14)

"Every step of the way in Iraq there have been pessimists and hand-wringers who said it can't be done. And every step of the way, the Iraqi leadership and the Iraqi people have proven them wrong because they are determined to have a free and peaceful future. People said that there couldn't be a transitional administration law, and there was one that was adopted by the Iraqi people. People said that there couldn't be a transfer of sovereignty by June 30th -- and it happened even before June 30th. So every step of the way, the Iraqi people are proving the hand-wringers and the doubters wrong." (White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, Press Briefing, September 15.)

Incident on Haifa Street

Are there any statistics from Iraq in recent weeks which don't indicate trouble? Oil production, which Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz once swore would fund the reconstruction of a democratic Iraq, is now crippled and well below prewar levels, while attacks on oil pipelines and facilities have risen sharply; American deaths are on the rise (53 for just over half of September) as are the numbers of our wounded, as are attacks on American troops, which are now averaging more than 80 a day, "four times the number of one year ago and 25 percent higher than last spring"; while the strains on American Guard and Reserve units, being called up ever more frequently, grow greater by the week; Iraqi civilian casualties have soared in recent weeks; and on the rise are the killings of Iraqi policemen, targeted by the insurgency, but also of translators, cleaning women, clothes washers, carpenters, anyone in fact who works with the occupying forces; "no-go" areas for American troops have been increasing steadily as parts of Iraq simply blink off the American map; the kidnapping of foreigners has risen as evidently has the under-the-table payment of ransom demands; the number of car-bombings has gone up and they are being ever more carefully coordinated; estimates of the numbers! of insurgents and their supporters have been rising rapidly; more mortar shells are being dropped on U.S. bases; desertions from and the infiltration of the Iraqi battalions the American military has been training are high and possibly on the rise; the sophistication and deadliness of guerrilla attacks is on the rise; the number of CIA agents in the country has risen; American air strikes on heavily populated neighborhoods of Iraqi cities are on the rise; the fighting is still spreading (as the battles around Tal Afar, near the Turkish border, indicated last week); more schoolchildren are dropping out of school at ever earlier ages to help support their families; more highways are too d! angerous to drive; the number of countries supporting the "coalition" with even handfuls of troops has been falling as have the numbers of troops in allied contingents; the number of articles in leading American newspapers announcing that large swathes of Iraq have passed from American control is on a precipitous upward curve; the number of military experts ready to declare the war in Iraq in some fashion lost is also on a steep upward climb; while -- and nothing could be more devastating than this -- on advice from its new staff and ambassador in Baghdad, the Bush administration has gone back to Congress to switch $3.4 billion in Congressionally mandated reconstruction funds from two of the most important areas of daily life -- the generation of electricity and the! purification of water supplies ("'Maku Karaba, Maku Amin' -- no electricity, no security -- is still the cry of Iraqis on the street") -- largely to "security"; that is, to the creation of Iraqi forces that will nominally fight under the banner of Iyad Allawi's regime but essentially under American command. (Does no one remember Richard Nixon's disastrous "Vietnamization" program?) The only number in this last month that seems not to have risen precipitously, but has remained doggedly at zero is the number of weapons of mass destruction (nuclear, biological or chemical) in Saddam Hussein's possession before the invasion began.

But let's turn from the large and statistical to a single incident that made the news repeatedly last week, an incident on Baghdad's Haifa Street, known locally as "Death Street" for the regular ambushes that take place there. The thoroughfare, part of a Sunni neighborhood in the capital that has been a hotbed of opposition to the Americans, lies across the Tigris river from, but only several hundred yards away from what's now being called the "International Zone" (as in neocolonial Shanghai) but is better known as the Green Zone, the highly fortified area where the U.S. embassy and the Allawi government have existed, until recently, in air-conditioned (relative) splendor.

On Saturday night, September 11, unknown guerrillas began pounding the Green Zone with mortars.....

More....

Here's a link to debates - time, place and moderator --- Pat C. is correct... Charlie Gibson is representing the big 3 this time... LOL!

http://www.debates.org/pages/news_040813.html

Oh, Pat C, why are so many USians (thnx, JoannaO) so deaf, dumb and blind?

Over at bartcop, he has just posted his latest which includes a collage of very recent pictures from Iraq, topped by Smirky bragging on how well things are going there. The collage is equally as painful as what Pat C posted above. Since it is a visual, though, you might find it useful to share with folks you know who do not want to know how awful things are over there. And, heavens to Betsy, the mainline media aren't going to tell them.

PAT C., YOU POSTED:When Jupiter moves from exile in Virgo into Libra, things will brighten up. The October eclipse takes place with five planets in Libra, so this sign will be in the headlines in some way. On November 5th, Venus conjoins Jupiter at 8 Libra, which is surely a happy period, and a great time for relationships in general.
GWB HAS NEPTUNE AT 5 LIBRA IN THE THIRD....
LAURA BUSH HAS NEPTUNE AT 9 LIBRA IN THE 5TH. WHAT IS THE INTERPRETATION HERE WITH ALL OF THE JUPITER IN LIBRA ENERGY?

JUST WONDERING....

sharon, what a sublime post (on *'s Saturn return). make my day! thank you

MORGANNA, et al....all you Neptunian non housekeepers....I have Neptune on the cusp of the 12th....I expect my spiritual guides to do that stuff....

In case you haven't seen Maureen's latest....Judi

No Stars, Just Cuffs

September 19, 2004
By MAUREEN DOWD

WASHINGTON - In World Wars I and II, gold star mothers were
the queens of their neighborhoods, the stars in their
windows ensuring that they would be treated with great
respect for their sacrifice in sending sons overseas to
fight and die against the Germans and Japanese.

Instead of a gold star, Sue Niederer, 55, of Hopewell,
N.J., got handcuffed, arrested and charged with a crime for
daring to challenge the Bush policy in Iraq, where her son,
Army First Lt. Seth Dvorin, 24, died in February while
attempting to disarm a bomb.

She came to a Laura Bush rally last week at a firehouse in
Hamilton, N.J., wearing a T-shirt that blazed with her
agony and anger: "President Bush You Killed My Son."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/19/opinion/19dowd.html?ex=1096634338&ei=1&en=47d166f8488b52f5

Mike,
'scuse my poor manners... I failed to thank you last night for naming me new minister of defense... is that like de-fence, the one so many folks are sitting on? Great, I'll just tell them to get off, in a southern lady-like way of course... have to get Shylurker to coach me...! And then Pat C. can 'communicate' with 'em, have them eating out of her hand, voting blue...

Very clever you are, Mr. Mikie,,, and the pictures and links were interesting... thanks again! Our sense of humor will see us through the difficult times ahead...

Miss Sharon,
I thank you so much for putting me in the same class as Pat C., but you see who got here firstest with the mostest... our resident champion researcher! Let's hear it for Pat C.! [I once 'breathed' I was having a difficult time getting x article from Salon archives, and 30 sec later, here come's Pat C. with the link!] Gracious, we have such of variety of talented people posting and lurking on this board... bet we can do just about anything! Elect John Kerry and take back control of the Congress and send the Neandercons packing and the Fascists fleeing...

Light to all

Judi, that's a question for Sally or Nancy, or Isabelle, or Morgana. I love astrology and follow it as best I can, but unfortunately I'm not qualified to answer that confidently.

shylurker, we are living in the old Soviet Union or old fascist Germany now. Pravda or something like it lives here.

Jo, wouldn't it be nice if I or any of us could have such an effect?

You're welcome, Mike. See...you didn't make Pat C and Jo, Dir. of Comm. and Secr. of Defense, respectively, for nothin'! They come through with flying colors.

I was just reading from New Donkey....this is a good bit of analysis...all about the hubris of power leading to the "ends justifying the means" ....
http://www.newdonkey.com/

Ends and Means
My post earlier today about Mitch McConnell and Rick Santorum, and the cash nexus that seems to link conservative ideology to partisan Republican power, probably requires an additonal comment.

When you look at guys like DeLay and Santorum, the charitable interpretation of their behavior is that they sincerely believe American politics is a battle between good and evil, civilization and barbarism, the Culture of Life and the Culture of Death, or the "real America" and the not-so American America, to cite several Manichean formulations common in conservative circles. That leads them to believe they are morally compelled to fight for partisan political power, and then to descend further down that slippery slope to the belief that practices clearly unethical in daily life are actually ethical in this titantic struggle. This is standard "ends justifies the means" reasoning, as any student of history can tell you.

But history also shows that in the van of every movement of political, religious, or cultural extremism, there are those who invert the equation, using the righteous ends to pursue the morally bankrupt means. The examples are far too numerous to list, but they range from the Spanish Catholics who used the Inquisition to dispossess their business rivals on trumped-up heresy charges to the English Protestants who exploited the Reformation's horror of Masses for the Dead to seize monastic lands; from the U.S. carpetbaggers who joined the fight against the post-Civil War Ku Klux Klan to obtain military backing for their own political and economic avarice, to the kleptocrats who used the communist ideology of equality to build a new privileged class of party bureaucrats throughout the Soviet Bloc. It goes on and on.

No, I'm not comparing Tom DeLay or Rick Santorum to any of these great villains of the past, and I'm fully aware that there are plenty of people in the Democratic Party who would behave the same way if given the opportunity. But the salient point is that any effort to make the "ends justify the means" tends to devolve into the means as an end in themselves, over and over again, thoughout human history. Principled conservatives need to ask themselves if their movement is currently endangered by this moral hazard, and police their ranks accordingly. A good start would be to stop applauding, and begin questioning, those political leaders most eager to justify the lowest tactics by the highest ideals.

The earlier article is : http://www.newdonkey.com/2004/09/unmasked.html
on Santorum and Delay's "pay for play" money raising....

I just saw your cute post, Jo, and, Pat, don't underestimate yourself. Remember the pebble effect... I am positive that you, Jo, et al. affect a lot of lives positively with your energies.

Some really excellent posts here. I really liked what Jaycee had to say above. Made a lot of sense to me at a time when I was feeling a bit down.

Wouldn't it be great if this took off?!?

The Sundance chanel:

UNCOVERED: THE WHOLE TRUTH ABOUT THE IRAQ WAR
   directed by Robert Greenwald    56 MINS, Color

 Filmmaker Robert Greenwald, creator of the 2000 election expose Unprecedented, considers the Bush administration's
 case for the Iraq War and finds among the alarmist rhetoric little supporting evidence to back it up. Revealing news clips
 and interviews with intelligence veterans - including Scott Ritter, Clare Short and Joseph Wilson - make the case that the
 Bush administration misled the world with dubious statements, empty innuendoes and unchallenged untruths.
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 Schedule:

 Friday  09.24.2004   2:30 PM

 Friday  09.24.2004  10:00 PM

 Sunday 09.26.2004  7:00 PM

Sharon, the good thing is that you never know who is reading. Information for all is a really good thing.

Re living in Nazi Germany , fascist Italy or the old Soviet mother Russia....here is a quote from Robert L. Jackson, chief prosecutor of the Nuremberg tribunals:

We must make clear to the Germans that the wrong for which their fallen leaders are on trial is not that they lost the war, but that they started it. And we must not allow ourselves to be drawn into a trial of the causes of the war, for our position is that no grievances or policies will justify resort to aggressive war. It is utterly renounced and condemned as an instrument of policy.

BTW, I have been meaning to add that I learned something valuable on this board that I was able to use in my personal email....how to shun a rude and agressively insensitive repug troll who tries to bait one into angry responses.

There is a man from MI who got my email from another person....for a while I thought, ok....he is from the other side. But recently he had the temerity to suggest that I was a whiny liberal, a bad business woman who wants a "nanny" government to take care of me, etc. etc. (did he say something even more offensive about killing my babies? I don't remember, but probably...it is part of their boilerplate.)

So I remembered the interactions here where Sally said, just ignore this poster....so that is what I am doing. I renounced the need to angrily get riled up (which he must thrive on) and decided to....SHUN! a time honored way to make those with no shame or people who have done a big no no GET IT. Shunning.....works, too....I feel GREAT!

Shylurker, thanks for the info on the number of posts and where to find them. Never knew what the numbers meant....

Let's all brag on Judi! Yaaaaaaay, Judi!

Been thinking. Inspired by many of the posts over the last 2 days, I tried to imagine possible scenarios for the next 6 months. Let me offer a new one:

Although there is a flurry of allegations of election rigging, Bush squeaks in. (Like the rotten-on-the-inside rat he is, Raj!) Soon thereafter the tax cuts are made permanent, Medicare payments by beneficiaries are raised 17%, all serving soldiers find their time extended yet again, and there are increasing prosecutions of soliers trying to get out by our friend Ashcroft.

Sarbanes-Oxley is pared back, but other countries step up prosecutions of American companies (vide: Japan going after Citicorp) Iraq descends into civil war and Britain pulls out, accompanied by Fiji.

Cheney holes up in an undisclosed location and rewrites energy policy to wipe out all environmental regulations left after his last round. Kenny Lay is convicted of a few lesser offenses but is pardoned by the pRes. who says he was unfairly sentenced by a liberal judge.

The deficit explodes exponentially, prompting the Repugs to rewrite tax law doubling the SS tax for all workers up to $60,000 per year.

A number of major tech companies decide to move lock, stock and barrel to Indonesia and Singapore.
Musharraf is deposed and a military coup takes over and turns against American troops in Afghanistan. Putin re-nationalises Russian industry and announces that he has looked into Bush's soul and found it wanting.

Bush puts into effect his plan to register all citizens under 40, to be drafted for whatever "the national service requires" for indefinite terms of service.

Nasdaq is under 1700; the Dow is under 8000, even the official unemployment number exceeds 10%.

Sharon annexes another half of the West Bank. Israel and Iran appear to be heading for a nuclear standoff, despite the billions in additional military aid the US has provided through the good offices of Wolfowitz, Feith and Perle.

THEN..................

Bush is rushed to Walter Reed and it leaks out that he overdosed on alchohol and prescription drugs. Cheney has a heart attack, and due to the incapacitation of both prez and vice-prez, Hastert becomes acting president. Then the clincher: Evidence surfaces that all the Diebold machines had a secretly installed program that gave Bush small margins in many of the battleground states, without which he would have lost both the popular and the electoral vote by a huge margin.

Senator McCain and Senator Byrd start a drive for impeachment of Bush and Cheney and criminal prosecutions of Rumsfeld and his cohorts at DOD.

Foreign investors dump US treasuries. Oil is re-denominated in euros. Major oil companies admit that their reserves have been over-estimated by 15%, causing oil prices to rise 30%. All US airlines are in bankruptcy and Congress decides to nationalise all US airlines with foreign routes. Prince Bandar bails, it having been discovered that the Saudi Royals had financed 9/11.

Despite Greenspan's frantic efforts to forestall calamity by raising rates to 6% in one shot, the horse is long gone from the barn. Mortgage rates double overnight, causing an avalanche of foreclosures and personal bankruptcies. The dollar collapses against all foreign currencies and gold spikes to $550 a troy ounce.

China announces the formation of the ATO (Asian Treaty Organisation) to defend against the US and its allies (if any) anywhere in the Eastern Hemisphere. Charter memebers include North Korea, Mongolia, and all the "stans". Japan and South Korea are debating joining the organisation.

The European Union concludes that any further dealings with the US are against their national interests, and that the "re-election" of Bush makes all further attempts at diplomacy fruitless. Besides, the US has withdrawn from all international treaties in any case. The world is being redrawn, and as Bush has famously said: "If you're not with us, .........." Well, no one is anymore.

Then what?

Somebody else figure this one out. None of the events I've imagined are impossible. Some of them have already happened on a lesser scale, or have been worried about by rafts of experts here and internationally. The above is just one version of an increasingly likely perfect storm.

(On a more mundane no-pun-intended level, ty mike for your sweet response to my proposal. It made me smile, and I'm sure we can work out the polygamy thing!

As for the Ethereal Italian...........I did like his predictions ever so much better than mine. But I'm afraid he's been off on a binge with OuidaMay, and possibly not thinking too clearly!
Also, given your lovely Pluto/Jupiter, you just may have been blocking any undesirable information. Ask Guido what he thinks!)

Love to all, I'm going to go follow Guido's example and have a whole lot of red wine............

Teg

Judi,

Your question about aWol and wife having Neptune in Libra... the generation (of which they are a part) with Nep in Libra are moving from the sterotype of roles for one thing; that is to say, women cook, and men eat --- many men of this particular generation have learned to cook and enjoy it, while many women don't even know how and are not interested in learning!

Of course there are other aspects to Nep in Libra, depending on the house position --- but Neptune transiting through a house 'dissolves', unlike Uranus which 'strikes' --- so, Neptune is working on aWol's 3rd and LB's 5th (right?) ---
anything more detailed and complicated would have to come, as Pat C. mentioned from one of our experts...

All too possible Teg. Sigh.

Jo, you are a jewel.

Marjorie Cohn | Bush & Co.: War Crimes and Cover-Up

As the election approaches, we are bombarded with stories about swift boats, dereliction of duty, and who's the most macho leader. Missing from the discourse is a critical examination of why George W. Bush failed to heed warnings before September 11, why he sat paralyzed for 7 minutes after being informed of the attacks, how he subsequently turned Iraq into a deadly cauldron, and committed - then covered up - war crimes in Afghanistan, Guantánamo and Iraq.

    The central theme of the Republican Convention was Bush's bona fides as a tough president who will save us from another terrorist attack. Instead of examining why we went to war with a country that posed no threat to us, the agenda was replete with rhetoric about fighting the terrorists in Iraq so we wouldn't have to fight them here.

    Significantly absent from the patriotic speeches was the "t" word. Not even a brief acknowledgement that prisoners in American custody were mistreated. Torture is on the back burner. Every so often, another official report comes out, with more disturbing revelations, but never directly implicates Bush, Cheney or Rumsfeld.

    Even the release of Seymour Hersh's new book, Chain of Command: The Road from 9/11 to Abu Ghraib, has garnered scant attention in the daily fare of television staples, where most Americans get their news. But Rumsfeld noticed. Four days before the book's release, without having read it, the Department of Defense issued a rare but characteristically preemptive attack on the book.

    Rumsfeld testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee that his department was alerted to the abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib in January 2004. Rumsfeld told Bush in February about an "issue" involving mistreatment of prisoners in Iraq, according to a Senior White House aide.

    These claims are disingenuous. The roots of Abu Ghraib, writes Hersh, lie in the creation of the "unacknowledged" special-access program (SAP) established by a top-secret order Bush signed in late 2001 or early 2002. The presidential order authorized the Defense Department to set up a clandestine team of Special Forces operatives to defy international law and snatch, or assassinate, anyone considered a "high-value" Al Qaeda operative, anywhere in the world.

    Rumsfeld expanded SAP into Iraq in August 2003.....

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/092004A.shtml

Congratulations Judi. The head banger probably went on to find someone else to bother. Besides, silence leaves them wondering if you are proactive and choosing to report them.

Teg,

My head is swimming from all of your scenarios (you have brilliantly presented some of the possible outcomes being talked about, well done!) and I'm hanging onto the 'one day at the time' mantra...

It's past time for the adults to take charge, isn't it... no wonder you're having a glass of wine! Four years ago if some folks had sat down and tried to imagine the worst-case scenarios of this administration, they could not have thought of 1/10th of them... and they would have rejected those they did think of as never happening, right? An eight year old throwing darts at possibilities could not have rendered such a mess!

Brits are pulling out of Iraq... evidence that Blair is getting lots of heat... all of this happening when our troops are over-extended and less than sufficient numbers... I was and am against this war... but I don't want our children to be sitting ducks for the anger and rage that is being vented by the Iraqis over the actions of some irresponsible middle aged men who never were in combat and are not qualified to tell the military how to wage war... bottom line --- they have put our troops at great risk...

Perhaps this is why the Repugs left in the party the Neocons have highjacked are crying out now against the war... and aWol's mishandling of it... The Iraqis do want to determine their own future (imho) but they want us out of Iraq --- they don't trust us to allow elections and they don't trust us to leave their resources alone...

Light to all

Re...freedom of information act and Bill Moyers recent must read speech:

If raging ideologies are difficult to penetrate, so is secrecy.  Secrecy is hardly a new or surprising story. But we are witnessing new barriers imposed to public access to information and a rapid mutation of America’s political culture in favor of the secret rule of government.  I urge you to read the special report, Keeping Secrets, published recently by the American Society of Newspaper Editors (for a copy send an e-mail to publications@knightfdn.org). You will find laid out there what the editors call a  “zeal for secrecy” pulsating through government at every level, shutting off the flow of information from sources such as routine hospital reports to what one United States senator calls  the “single greatest rollback of the Freedom of Information Act in history.”

In the interest of full disclosure, I digress here to say that I was present when President Lyndon Johnson signed the Freedom of Information Act on July 4, 1966.  In language that was almost lyrical, he said he was signing it “with a deep sense of pride that the United States is an open society in which the people’s right to know is cherished and guarded.”  But as his press secretary at the time, I knew something that few others did: LBJ had to be dragged kicking and screaming to the signing ceremony.  He hated the very idea of FOIA, hated the thought of journalists rummaging in government closets, hated them challenging the official review of realty. He dug in his heels and even threatened to pocket-veto the bill after it reached the White House.  Only the tenacity of a congressman named John Moss got the bill passed at all, and that was after a 12-year battle against his elders in Congress, who blinked every time the sun shined in the dark corridors of power. They managed to cripple the bill Moss had drafted, and even then, only some last-minute calls to LBJ from a handful of newspaper editors overcame the president’s reluctance.  He signed “the f------ thing,” as he called it, and then set out to claim credit for it.

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/journalism_under_fire.php

shylurker, i really see you as that blond but if you insist, mary hartman you are (so much for the southern belle persona). teg, here is another example of pluto-jupiter infusing guido with prescience:

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The lost prediction of guido:

The Boston Red Sox will win the World Series.

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this board is really intense tonight. feels like lots of energy building up to smother *

Hey Everybody,
It's 10:40 pm est and I'm heading off to beddie -bye because I have to be at NYU tomorrow at 8 am to see.....Jonn Kerry!!!!!! My friend had an extra ticket. Will report back! Nitey-nite.

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/fahrenheit_911_for_grownups.php

Well....in simple terms, all is laid out for us to see in terms of Farenheit 9/11 movies is this:

The second story told by Hijacking Catastrophe is how the Bush administration—again, with the Democrats either helping or standing aside, and the news media playing a compliant lapdog role—devised and executed a propaganda campaign to ratchet up and manipulate the public’s fear of terrorism to justify first an illegal, immoral and counterproductive invasion of Afghanistan (designed to solidify U.S. control in Central Asia) and then an even more blatantly illegal and disastrous invasion of Iraq (designed to solidify U.S. control of the Middle East).

Very cogent outline of these events in this article....non of it surprising, of course, to any of us here except freepers lurking....

mike........

Is it possible that Guido, as an otherworldly Italian, might not understand American baseball? I don't either, but I think I've heard something about The Curse of the House of Ruth. Is that right? And doesn't it mean that Boston can't win the Series until Hell freezes over?

Not at all sure.

Just asking,

Best regards from......
Your junior wife

Jo, Pat, et al....thanks for the support! And boy, Teg, you've got it down....of course, I remember 1989-1992 as disasterous for this country too....major recessionary stuff going on, huge bankruptcies...(mine included), S&L scandals (mine included....meaning, a tax shelter I was put into as an investment bankrupted the S&L system and the state of Maryland, also)....and wasn't that, hmmm, let me think....a person named GBush president?

But seriously Teg....you've got talent! Very put together scenario....are you channeling?

As I recollect, Guido was from up nawth.

Mike....possibly there is a curse on Barry Bonds for ever, too.... not being able to win a world series ring....does Guido know anything about that?

Here's a question, Teg, in your scenario....what happens when the internet news is ALSO suppressed, as more and more internet sites are owned by big corporate media...and of course, the big media doesn't report on all of your scenario at all!....which, btw, it already seems has happened - at least in many journalists' minds. The blogs....could they also be "shut down"? My.....as the Chinese curse goes, May you live in interesting times....

judi...

Thank you so much for your kind words. Am I channeling? God I hope not! I'd hate to see any of the horribles I talked about happening.

But.........remember when the first cracks started appearing in the WMD story? There were supposed to be "teams"......I forget what they were called........in the intelligence community who were supposed to "game" various policies and imagine all downsides and hitherto unforeseen consequences of various actions.

That's all I did..........game the possible outcomes from the already well-known facts on the ground.

Somehow that seems even more ominous to me. It feels as if our policy-makers are too wilfully blind to be believed.

More wine is clearly called for.

Unfortunately I haven't got any.

mike.........please send Guido with supplies!

Judi, Judi, Judi!
We will find a way to be heard... think of the French Resistance... my husband and I watched Dr. Zhivago last night --- been years since I've seen it. Remember when Zhivago and Tonya are traveling in the crowded freight car with about 50 other people, and the member of the Red Guard is reading instructions to the people, and the young man protests -- against forced labor, against the red guard, against the chains that bind him... but he protests nonetheless... and the 'Party' guy simply looks at him...

'They' --- whomever that is ---- they cannot silence all of us... esp. us Geminis, right...? Well, this one is going to bed... Namaste

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Kinsey, Bush, Abstinence
Steve Clemons
September 17, 2004

From Washington Note:
KINSEY: SEX, POLITICS AND AMERICA'S RELIGIOUS STRAIGHTJACKET

LIAM NEESON AND LAURA LINNEY STAR IN KINSEY, a new movie by Director Bill Condon, scheduled to be released November 12th. This film is powerful, political, and needs to be out in October.

Fox Searchlight Productions, the independent film arm of Fox, is distributing the film -- and the folks there are into thoughtful social and political commentary. I hosted a film screening for Bill Condon -- Academy Award winning writer and director who wrote and directed Gods and Monsters and wrote Chicago -- with a bunch of policy wonk friends of mine at the Motion Picture Association of America theatre in Washington last week.

But Tuesday night, I saw the movie again courtesy of Gloria Steinem and Tina Brown who hosted a star-studded screening and dinner in New York. First, I want to tell you about the party -- because it was useful to hear what the movie set thinks of Bush and Kerry. Secondly, I want to chat about the film a bit.
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The Bush Cocoon
Andrew Sullivan
September 17, 2004

From AndrewSullivan.com:

THE BUSH COCOON: Ryan Lizza observes the surreal nature of Dr Pangloss's re-election tour:

[F]or the most part, spending time on the trail with Bush is like being transported to a parallel universe. The only music is Christian rock and country tunes about plain-talking everymen. The only people who ask the president questions are his most feverish supporters, never the press. In this alternate universe, Iraq and Afghanistan are marching effortlessly toward democracy. The economy is, in the words of former Broncos quarterback John Elway, who introduces Bush in Greenwood Village, "the best in the world." John Kerry, whose platform is to the right of Clinton's in 1992, is calling for a massive expansion of government.

Yes, it's working - for now. But if the voters realize at some point in this campaign that the president is simply living in a dreamworld, they might vote for someone who, for all his faults, is at least able to recognize reality.

THE BEST ONE YET: a good report on reporting:
Drunk with gratitude, we next turned to Elisabeth Bumiller's story about Kerry's campaign stop in Detroit. And there was another phenomenon we've seen all too little of this year -- a reporter (Bumiller) rattling off the claims of each side, then stepping back to systematically compare those claims to the known facts. Bumiller does it four separate times, including one detailed three-paragraph breakdown of John Kerry's voting record on proposed tax increases that demonstrates, show-&-tell style, to the reader how Kerry's record varies from the standard portrayal of it offered up by the Bush campaign.

THERE IS HOPE YET....

judi.....

good thought! I wonder whatever happened to Poindexter's Office of Information Awareness project in the Pentagon? I believe Congress tried to nix it at one point, but my gut tells me that something nefarious is still going on with respect to control of our beloved 'net'.

Teg...my channeling comment was dry humor, but I like your "gaming" answer....very very smart! Maybe we should invite "Beautiful Mind" John Forbes Nash, Jr (who created gaming theory) to, in his rational moments, game our probable future would't it be insane if it matched yours?.

PS>>>I'm drinking Two Buck Chuck.....I'll have a glass or two for all of you....Judi

Teg...I heard that Poindexter is still in the Capitol somewhere, still working on that program sub rosa (see my posting on the SECRECY aspect of our current gov't from the Bill Moyers speech).....probably reading your prognosticating game theory and going crazy. And I'll be HE isn't drinking Two Buck Chuck....

judi, it's really a shame we're on opposite ends of the country. We could pool our wine-stores, get together a bunch of creative friends, and have a super evening of conversation !

Really wish we could.

teg, guido is from bayonne, nj, a yankee fan. all the more reason to trust his integrity. the way he figures it, the red sox win, all the superstitious ones out there (the fundies) take it as a sign from the lard, and they vote for kerry wanting to be w/a winner. i'll talk to the bishop and we'll get things straightened out.

judi, barry bonds. now there's a strange guy, all puffed up. could it be...growth enhancing hormones. guido likes sf with all the pisanos so the giants can lose to the sox.

nite all, great thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mike....

I do love Guido's plot! It is practically Karl Rovian in its simplicity. Guido's mind is well-nigh as Machiavellian and enigmatic as your own. (Is it possible that he is a descendant of Machiavelli? Or that Machiavelli was channeling Guido when he wrote The Prince? Is Guido very old?)

I say we spike the Sox's gatorade with a massive dose of an undetectable growth hormone so they can win the Series and knock those fundies right off their fundaments.

What say you all?

I like that... spirit guides doing the house work.

Has anyone here seen my sense of humor?

The energy tonight?...moon in Sagittarius, coming to our beloved Pluto.

Why is everyone so afraid of Pluto?
Have we all sinned that much?

Remember all the wealth of the underworld.
Diamonds, rubies, and a river of emeralds.

And the Elysian Fields.

Sheesh!

You cannot flush out Mohammedism. Time will do that.

It is completely obvious that Monsieur Bush is failing miserably and is no longer needed.

With the last years of Pluto in Sagittarius, these ruling religions will have to accept the existence of one another.

Cosmic orders.

The young are usually anti-war (anti-Bush) but whichever way they vote, it's great that they are so motivated to take part in our democracy.

http://www.boston.com/dailynews/264/politics/Young_peop...

Voter registration drives aimed at young people are turning 18- to 24-year-olds into an important variable in the presidential election, especially in decisive battleground states such as Michigan where nearly 100,000 young people have registered in recent months and Wisconsin, where the numbers are even higher.

Officials in several other battleground states New Mexico, Ohio and Florida among them see clear signs that more young people are interested in this election. And some election experts believe that polls of ''likely voters'' often miss young people because the population is so mobile.

In Wisconsin, the New Voters Project claims to have registered more than 109,000 young people numbers election officials say they have ''no reason to doubt.''

THis morning I received an email from my friend from high school, Phil Garlington, who is a writer/adventurer. He is on a walking tour through "filty" "blumphy" weather in England and this is what he is saying re politics....

The Brits hate the Bush team, so at least it's fun
to read the newspapers. The papers all think that
Blair has had it, not only because of the Mesopotamian
mess, but for a cock-up involving government pensions
as well. The columnists are unsparing. I don't think
a columnist for a mainstream rag would say of Bush
that "nothing but drivel comes out of his cakehole,"
as an Independent writer said of Blair the other day.
I'm reading the Independent, the Guardian, and of
course The Times. Independent the best for being
lively, literate, left-leaning. Big issue is security
at Buckingham and Westminster. First, a guy dressed
as Batman broached security at the palace. Then a
gaggle of fox hunters somehow busted into Parliament
during a debate on banning this age-old blood sport in
which trained hounds rip Reynard to shreds. Much tsk,
tsking, could have been Osama editorials. Personally
I favor fox hunting as long as it's catch and release.
And then maybe the Labour MPs shouldn't muck around
too much with immemorial custom. I was thinking this
as I was using a public footpath across some sheep
laird's private fold (filled with wool on the hoof)
right under the manor house windows. An American
rancher would not put up with this kind of trespass
for one little second.

"They say patriotism is the last refuge,
To which the scoundrel clings.

Steal a little and they'll throw you in jail,
Steal a lot and they'll make you king."

Bob Dylan

I know a seventeen year old young man, too young to vote this year, of course, but who is working with the Kerry campaign, anyway.
He is sensitive, skinny, and intelligent, with beautiful pale pink skin.
The thought of him being ruined by the horror of war really disturbs me, as it terrifies him.

I cannot see anything but a huge youth vote for Kerry, under the circumstances.

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