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The Bully Brigade
With the passing of Labor Day, the quadrennial national wrestling match is in full swing. Drenched in illicit steroids, the defending “champion” is pummeling the challenger with a set of punishing brass knuckles. Meanwhile, the stench of Rovian dishonesty and dirty tricks is befouling the air like a toxic cloud. Although somewhat bloodied, our standard bearer is not yet down for the count. Closer to home, we find neighborhood right-wing Brownshirts shredding Kerry lawn signs and egging houses. Horns beep at us, followed by invective, to disparage our bumper stickers. In Galveston, Texas, a Democratic campaign headquarters has its front window broken, with a Bush/Cheney sign left to speak amongst the shards. Elsewhere, another fascist thug, this one from a “Christian” organization, starts punching Veterans for Kerry who are marching peacefully. Here is the real trickle down of the Bush regime: The Bully Brigade. Three clear lines of attack are necessary to defeat the onslaught of propaganda, fear-mongering, and character assassination oozing out of the cesspool of the White House campaign headquarters. The first is to debunk the treacherous myth that America is safer under George Bush. A simple, oft-repeated review of the well-documented facts is all that is necessary: * The number of terrorists worldwide has grown exponentially as a result of our invasion of Iraq; * The United States, since the advent of the presidency of George Bush, is more disliked and more disrespected than ever in its history. The preemptive war doctrine and the bullying foreign policy of this administration have infuriated the world and lost us the support of allies; * Our military forces are stretched very thin and under tremendous strain, leaving us little flexibility in the event of an emergency; * Our increasing debt and weak economy go hand in hand with decreasing economic clout which could be used in successful diplomacy. The truth is that George Bush has made the world far more threatening and dangerous for Americans due to his reckless, irresponsible, and belligerent policies. That truth must be told. Secondly, the theme of Bush’s dishonesty must be pushed until the word liar and Bush become synonymous. Bush has lied repeatedly about his National Guard service, about the effect of his economic policies and who will benefit, about the existence of WMD’s in Iraq, about Saddam’s purported connection to al Qaida, about why we really went to Iraq, about the cost of his Medicare program, about the destructive impact on the environment of his deregulation, and about John Kerry. Every time Bush opens his mouth, all of our spokespeople and our candidates should be saying: “There he goes again!” And finally, the issue of Bush’s loyalty is ripe for plundering. To whom is this man in the Oval Office loyal? All of his policies benefit the corporate elite and the richest 1% at the expense of the American people. His biggest campaign contributors - the pharmaceutical companies, the insurance industry, the logging industry, the defense industry, the coal, oil, and gas industries - receive huge windfalls from Bush’s relaxation of regulations and manipulation of legislation. The rest of us get to pay higher prices and be poisoned by an increasingly noxious environment. Global corporations have no loyalty to an individual country. They are loyal to the bottom line. Are these Bush’s constituents? At the moment, John Kerry is struggling to get his message across the airwaves, above the deafening screeches of Bush’s media-savvy Storm Troopers. According to my calculations, the current planetary aspect plaguing Kerry is his converse Moon square to natal Saturn. Due to a natal Saturn/Moon conjunction, any progressed or transiting aspect between these two planets tends to cause the Democratic candidate significant grief and painful difficulties. If we use the 8:03 AM chart currently accepted for Kerry, this month-long progression will peak around October 5. If we use the previously accepted one that gives 7:10 AM as the birth time, this progression will peak around September 18. In either case, it waxes and then recedes well before the election, but it will continue to cause severe strain for the candidate during its time of impact. We may see particular evidence of this on September 14 and 15 when the Sun and Mars will both be square to Kerry’s natal Saturn. Unfortunately, any strong Saturn energy in Kerry’s chart magnifies his tendency to be stiff and aloof, and this may become more of an issue in the coming days until this progression passes. In October, much of the dust seems to clear from the Kerry campaign. Kerry’s progressed MC will move into a year-long trine with natal Pluto by mid-month and will be strongly triggered by the Jupiter/Venus conjunction of November 1 - 4. In addition, tertiary Venus will oppose Uranus for the month of October, and Jupiter will cross Kerry’s MC later in the month. Moreover, progressed Moon will be sextile natal Venus beginning in late September through much of October. These aspects imply a smooth and beneficial period that can do much to heal the wounds of the previous month. November will bring Uranus, stationary and then direct, back into its trine with Kerry’s Venus and the US Venus, unencumbered by any of the Saturn/Moon energy in Kerry’s chart that was noticeable during the aspect’s first pass in September. There is nothing from October 6 through January to suggest the dismay or disappointment that would surely be indicated if this election were tragically lost to the bullying and power-hungry Bushistas. Despite the recent improvement in presidential poll numbers for George Bush, early September brought the first crossing of Saturn square to his MC. This aspect reignited the story of Bush’s missed time in the Texas Air National Guard and brought charges that the administration was well aware of the widespread prison abuse issue as early as 2002 and did nothing to stop it. This period also brought an increase in violence and carnage in Iraq, where US military casualties reached the significant 1000 mark. None of these issues is likely to go away any time soon, and they may well become increasingly burdensome for Bush over the next few months. It would seem that difficulties will mount for the Resident–in-Chief as of late September 2004, continuing through January 2005 and beyond. From late September through mid-December, Saturn will return to Bush’s natal Saturn position, conjunct the Bush/US composite Venus, conjunct the Inaugural chart IC, square the Bush/Cheney composite Sun, and opposite Jeb Bush’s Moon and square his natal Saturn. Every one of these positions will sustain the intensity of the lengthy Saturn station, implying a period of sorrow, burden, and difficulty. A loss of warm feeling and harmony is indicated in the Bush/US relationship (Venus), and thwarted or frustrated goals may develop in the Bush/Cheney relationship (Sun), with both positions receiving an extended hard aspect from Saturn. Jeb Bush, the heir apparent in the Bush Dynasty, looks very upset by the events of October and November. I find it very hard to read a victory for Bush in these aspects and very easy to read this period as one of loss, disappointment, and regrouping. The final planetary aspect worth mentioning is the return of the potent Pluto transit opposing US Mars, reenergized in the beginning of September with Pluto’s return to direct motion. The increasingly vicious domestic partisan war, as well as the escalation of intensive battles in Iraq and Afghanistan, are both manifestations of this energy. November will be the final month of the Pluto/Mars transit, and we are likely to see the malicious and rancorous mood of the campaign continue for about four weeks after the actual election. Our soldiers struggling in the war zone may also see some fierce battles during that month. As this nail-biter of an election continues, devotees of the political process are becoming increasingly agitated. Fear and loathing of the opposition are creating an increasingly volatile situation in both camps. If George Bush loses this race as I am predicting, he and his minions are not likely to concede gracefully. Unfortunately, the post-election aspects suggest some nasty outbursts from the fascist wing of the American electorate. Bullies don’t take kindly to defeat.
Nancy Waterman on Sep 13 | Link
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Nancy, Wonderful article! I'll have to read and re-read it to fully understand and follow the different transits, etc., but I greatly enjoyed what I wrote. We just have to stay calm through the rest of this month (half-way there, you know) and look forward to October. :-) Posted by: Jonathan on September 13, 2004 01:55 AMThe Bully Brigade indeed! These are not fair and balanced individuals. Not at all. The blind rage they carry is irrational and unhealthy. The blind loyalty, worse. Thank you! Posted by: Susie Dow on September 13, 2004 02:06 AMThe bit I wrote about yeard signs being stolen and motorists yelling nasty things about my bumper stickers really happened to me. I just saw a thread over at DU about yard sign thefts all over the country. These people really are bullies and, just like their Saint George, they have no interest in respecting other people's rights or property. Posted by: Nancy on September 13, 2004 02:12 AMNancy, You really nailed it this time. You picked up on an extremely important theme and your clarification rang true for me as our yard sign was shredded and a neighbor's across the street was tampered with. Well, we'll fix them! We ordered 25 new lawn signs to give away to the Democrats in our neighborhood as well as 100 bumper stickers & buttons! If the lawn signs are uniformly vandalized, then those that did it will make themselves look bad! The rest of your article was music to my ears. As we say in my family: "From your mouth to G-d's ears!" Posted by: Sharon Katz on September 13, 2004 02:35 AMNancy, Wonderful article, Nancy, as usual. It's awfully hard to listen to some of the talk show hosts crowing about how Bush has the election won already. You know they aren't astrologers! Has anyone thought of sending some of the articles to the Kerry campaign? I'll bet they have someone over there that is open to astrology. Welcome to Gloria from the previous thread. I hope someone here with more experience than me can take the time to answer her questions about Cheney. Posted by: Teresa on September 13, 2004 03:11 AM Monday's Guardian Editoral - once again the http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5014321-103682,00.html Posted by: wv on September 13, 2004 03:13 AMA quote from Bill Maher
w - A terrific quote from Bill Maher!! Posted by: Nancy on September 13, 2004 03:31 AM
2. Name it "George W. Bush". 3. Send it to the trash. 4. Empty the trash. 5. Your computer will ask you: "Do you really want to get rid of "George W. Bush"? 6. Answer calmly, "Yes", and press the mouse button firmly.
wv.........thank you I do so love the Brits! Teg Posted by: Teg on September 13, 2004 03:33 AMNancy, thank you for another informative and thought provoking article. Do you happen to have Jeb Bush's birth data available? Also, with the USA chart do you see anything that would portend some sort of Civil War like split perhaps on a Waco style level because of the election results? I guess your sentence, "Unfortunately, the post-election aspects suggest some nasty outbursts from the fascist wing of the American electorate. Bullies don’t take kindly to defeat." says it. Deep down I have been fearing this, I've just never been able to put the feeling into words. Then, I saw this blip on CNN headline news about an Anti Kerry rally made up of Swift boat devotees. What feeds all this hate? Posted by: Shade on September 13, 2004 03:35 AMFear, envy, greed and powerlessness. Sorry That answered was me. Directed to Shade. Wrong box lol Teg Posted by: Teg on September 13, 2004 03:40 AMBe sure to add "Bribery" to that list. I'd love to know how much money got moved into the hands of those not-so-swifties. Posted by: shylurer on September 13, 2004 03:49 AMGreat article Nancy, always a joy to see one of your posts. The old saying "don't wish your life away" plagues me, because I am wishing for the end of September and the Sun/Mars, Jupiter ingress into Libra, because I too think the load will lighten for Kerry/Edwards, and the noose tighten for the Bush Cartel. Posted by: Sally on September 13, 2004 03:50 AMhttp://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=6195998 Treasuries Lower Following 'Ugly' Auction Posted by: Pat C on September 13, 2004 03:50 AM
I have a long-time stockbroker who is a fascinating person.....he is fluent in 2 languages, a pianist of concert rank, and had a child (a baby genius) at age 52. The stock account is just an excuse for the wonderful conversations we have about politics, literature, music et al. lol I asked him last week what were the attitudes of some of his wealthier clients. He told me they have tunnel vision.........as long as they have these bloody tax-cuts, and the illusion that they are part of the class that will profit from war and chaos, they want Bush. (If you want to become truly ill, watch Lawrence Kudlow on CNBC some evening. I myself can't take it anymore.) Sorry for being so loquacious this weekend. I had a couple of really stimulating real-life conversations with really bright people this weekend, and that always stimulates my brain, and it just keeps going like the Duracell bunny. Teg Posted by: Teg on September 13, 2004 04:15 AMShade - I have Jeb's chart right on top of my pile!! 2/11/53, Midland, Tx., 8:50 PM Moon: 26Cap01 How can he be happy in November? If it were just him, I would wonder about something personal. But Bush has Saturn at 26 Cancer, the Inaugural IC is 26 Cancer, etc., etc. as listed in my article. Meanwhile, John McCain's Moon is 26Capricorn54. Schwarzenegger's Venus is 26Cancer22. Those two joined the wrong team. Posted by: Nancy on September 13, 2004 04:26 AMOh, my heavenly days, I forgot my manners! Nancy, many thanks for a very fine article (yet once again). Ahhhhhhnold has forever been on the wrong team (the Ahhhhhhnold team) and it'll be mighty fine to witness some come-uppance to the creep. As for McCain, I dunno. The recent picture of him with Smirky was especially hard to view. What has happened to that man? Posted by: shylurker on September 13, 2004 04:39 AMHi everyone--this web site and the large numbers of responses I've been reading by all of us who are interested in astrology and politics has inspired me to start a new web site. It will be another forum in which we can all have a place to share our views of what is happening in the world of politics, popular culture, and world events from an Astrological perspective. If anyone is interested in this, please email me and I'll put you on my mailing list and keep you posted. Also, I am looking for astrologers who might be interested in writing a semi-regular column about relevant topics. Thanks! Lawrence nycbuzz@aol.com Posted by: Lawrence the LEO on September 13, 2004 04:56 AMThe strange thing about all the lies is that they are completely unnecessary. What I mean is this (ducking for cover): if you actually go to the PNAC website ( http://www.newamericancentury.org/ )and read all the documents there - esp. the letters to Clinton, you may even find yourself agreeing with some things. Like it or not, oil IS vital to the long-term security of the United States. And the neo-con philosophy of preemption and a return to some form of "empire" in the national interest should be open to debate. Why they chose to hide all this from the American people and wrap the agenda in the vague "war on terrorism" is beyond me. Maybe they don't want to scare people - "hey, 9/11 and Iraq are all about oil. Because there ain't that much left anyway and your lifestyle as you know it simply would not exist without it". Amid all the hoopla about Saddam earlier this year, one little news item almost went unnoticed: it was that America was on the verge of using nuclear weapons against OPEC states during the 1973 oil crisis and only the intervention of the British government (Harold Wilson?) prevented it. However, as that link from The Mountain Astrolger in the previous thread pointed out, whoever wins in November faces a very tough road ahead. And there are tough choices to be made. I am very worried because I live in a place that has loads of oil and natural gas and is also just off the coast of Venezuela. We also have, suprise, suprise, our own home-grown Isalmic Fundamentalists (funny how they seem to show up when there's oil around...) who already tried to overthrow the government not too long ago and were specially-invited guests to Chavez's recent victory celebrations. Sorry, I'm really not looking forward to being "collateral damage". Posted by: mars on September 13, 2004 06:22 AM* On the cusp of Being Awakened After a day of spirited yet peaceful protest by a heartfelt gathering, NYC waited under a mutable full moon. A strong showing from the now vociferous majority (silence is not golden). The Pisces Moon met electric Uranus to guide us out of a trance like state into conscious rebellion. With the Pisces Moon holding hands with Uranus in the 11th Hse of Community, the powers of numbers were strong & solid. Among the 500,000 demonstrators were dedicated anti-war reps like Michael Moore, Rev Jesse Jackson, actors Danny Glover and Rosie Perez, all dedicated to waging peace. Everyone was committed to dethroning the Emperors bush-cheney Dyslexicon. The details and planning of the marches and protests were handled by the Virgo Sun/Mars in the 5th hse of creative expression. Much awakening has occurred in a year's time for the voices of freedom speaking against the imperialist Iraqi occupation. My mind travels back to another full moon in Pisces on 9/10/03 underscored the closest passage of Mars to the earth in 60,000 years. At that time we had reached a critical juncture after getting a taste of how deadly the ruthless use of force and coercion. Voices crying out for mercy and sanity have been battered by Uranian oppositions most recently the Sun in Virgo opposes Uranus at 5° Pisces - asking us to think out of the box by integrating out left brained Virgo analytical powers with the rebellious and compassionate Uranus in Pisces. The lights are We stand on the brink awakened to need to address national and world crisis. Pluto turns direct at Black Hole Ereshkigal on August 30th - We wait on the cliff overlooking not just a political crisis also an evolutionary crisis. ... http://www.aquasoul.com/PiscesFull04.html
There's no reason on Gaia's beautiful Planet why human becomings have to accept a false 1-choice... oil or not to oil (before it runs out, that is)... used to fuel the boyz toyz. HOW in Gaia's World did human becomings get along w/o OIL for 10s of 1000s of years before them Texas Oil Boyz decided to Rule the World. No... nobody has to accept such destructive nonsense. My old spiritual teacher used to say "take conventional wisdom (mass mind garbage), turn it upside down & inside out, & one begins to recognize the Truth." The Truth or Reality rooted in the Living World is the crux of the matter... not a world of psychosis made in somebody's head & declared to be "real" imo. ;O) Posted by: JoannaOregon on September 13, 2004 07:02 AMJust as there're countless variables (the anathma of Super Controllers), there're countless options & choices. We don't need to "do" the supmacists' "vision." That's very good. Posted by: JoannaOregon on September 13, 2004 07:06 AMS'cuse me... that was "supremacist," not "supmacist." WhaddaHOOT!!! Posted by: JoannaOregon on September 13, 2004 07:08 AM
http://www.stariq.com/MarketWeek.HTM Posted by: Sally on September 13, 2004 07:16 AMSpeaking of bullies... http://www.rense.com/general57/vitmo.htm Posted by: mars on September 13, 2004 07:20 AMnancy, excellent article and particularly important in view of the post-election problems that may come. if it's bush bullies acting out because they lost, i suppose there is some good in that since it means they lost. the trend in this country is toward the democratic party is inevitable (see ruy teixeira: http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=250867&kaid=127&subid=173 the resistance to a second legitimately elected president will lead, i believe, to the collapse of the republican party (already underway if you listen to the three moderates left). it will also hasten the shift to 'new media.' how many of you know that cnn is it's death bed. there is no way that they can be viable with their best show (king) polling just .6 milion people. guess who is coming on line with an all news network, al gore. resistance begets counter-resistance. hopefully, there will be no violence. Posted by: mike on September 13, 2004 07:25 AMI URGE EVERYONE TO READ THE ARTICLE ABOVE POSTED BY MARS IT IS CHILLING IN ITS IMPLICATIONS Posted by: Sally on September 13, 2004 07:27 AMDoes this sound like Black Hole Ereshkigal? My aunt, who spent two and a half years in Auschwitz and then descended into a lifetime of madness just died one week ago. The Kerry campaign is definitely open to astrology. I saw a wonderful comment on JK's chart on the johnkerry.com blog. I, too, see some sort of civil war. I certainly feel it...and it couldn't be coming from the Democrats. So it must be a Democratic victory--16 years of White House residency-- and Republican rage. I hope they don't use their new assault weapons! Also...I think we are witnessing the total destruction of the Republican Party. That's makin Terrific articles from Nancy and Sally, very thought provoking, fascinating and timely. Thank you both! I don't know WHAT we'd do without you! Found this article, the author is not prepared to disclose her prediction who will be the eventual victor, but much of what she says rings true. http://www.fmam.biz/starfire_sep04.shtml The Presidential Election: A Moving Target in 2004 On September 24th, the balance of influence for the 2004 election will begin to wobble and shift. It will become a moving target and remain difficult to predict until the last votes are in on election night. Jupiter, the planet that rules promotions and publicity and advertising, will move from Virgo to Libra at 11:23:21 PM ET in Washington, DC, on September 24, 2004. The public mood will shift from an interest in petty criticisms to a desire for balanced coverage and justice for the underdog. -more- North Korea says it blew up a mountain Very strange, don't you think?? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3650702.stm Posted by: Laurie on September 13, 2004 11:46 AMmars.. I think the lies are used to dupe the masses of this country, knowing they will never be interested enough to find out what's going on, and to purposely confuse them. Their aim is more than oil. It is world domination through perpetual war, endless budget deficit, impoverishment and crippling of the people, etc. good point,Laurie. Posted by: teresa b on September 13, 2004 11:51 AMI mean about Jupiter Posted by: teresa b on September 13, 2004 11:53 AMThank you Nancy for the Jeb Bush info. It is very interesting how his Sun/Pluto opp is only 4 deg away from USA (Sibley chart) Moon. And then his Moon conjuncts USA Pluto. He was/is the Bush Family heir apparent, until big bro took away the prize. Ummmmmm, makes one wonder. Posted by: Shade on September 13, 2004 01:28 PMNancy, thank you for a very informative and in the end, hopeful article. Like Jonathan and others have repeated, let's just hang in there until Oct. Sally, I too read about sanctions on Venezula. The neocons attempted to overthrow a democraticly elected Chavez, but failed. Now they are going to try and bring him down thru sanctions. It is about oil to some extend, but what ticks them off about Chavez is that he is using the oil money to help the poor. And this isn't to say that Chavez is perfect, but he is a hell of lot better than those greedy, American-government-loving dictators and tyrants who came before. Posted by: Janet on September 13, 2004 03:15 PM
http://www.wvgazette.com/section/Editorials/200409122 Posted by: wv on September 13, 2004 03:24 PM
This New Moon gives me hope. Think about it. Pluto squares USA Neptune (while opp USA Mars.) Sun and Mars with the moon will conjunct it tommorrow. That's the light, the reflected light and a boost of energy. I am hoping for more leaks to reveal the truth. Ok, so it may get a bit nit picky and critical, but I am hoping as well for correct facts with details. Please say I am not being too optimistic here. www.truthtellingproject.org Posted by: Shade on September 13, 2004 03:42 PM
Here's a good read from DailyKos. It's a long one, and perhaps I should have linked it... but I want it "out" really 'visible' --- not hidden behind a link you may pass over... ------- Some Terrorists Still Good Guys In Bush Administration's View Not all terrorists are created equal in the eyes of official Washington. That’s not news, obviously. For decades, the U.S. has backed terrorists when this suited its purposes. Elements among the contras of Nicaragua, who used their own and CIA-honed terrorist techniques, provide a well-known example. A political naïf might have expected the fact that 9/11 “changed everything” to have undermined the double standard regarding terrorism. Yet we have NeanderCons Michael Ledeen and Daniel Pipes, as well as Congressmen such as Sam Brownback, carrying water for the Mujahedin-e Kalq (MEK), a terrorist organization devoted to the overthrow of the Iranian theocracy. These guys aren’t really terrorists, says Ledeen, but rather our allies in that greater geopolitical struggle where his ilk see morality as an impediment to victory. But, while some members of official Washington sing the MEK’s praises and help them raise money, and while our government provides the group’s 3,800 members protection in Iraq, at least we aren’t providing them political asylum inside our own borders. Not so with some Cuban terrorists, as noted in Soj's Diaries here and here, and in today’s Los Angeles Times: Amid Cheers, Terrorists Have Landed in the U.S. To curry favor with Cuban Americans, Bush turns a blind eye By Julia E. Sweig and Peter Kornbluh A little-noticed but chilling scene at Opa-locka Airport outside Miami last month demonstrates that the Bush administration's commitment to fighting international terrorism can be overtaken by presidential politics — even if that means admitting known terrorists onto U.S. soil. That's what happened when outgoing Panamanian President Mireya Moscoso inexplicably pardoned four Cuban exiles convicted of "endangering public safety" for their role in an assassination plot against Fidel Castro during a 2000 international summit in Panama. After their release, three of the four immediately flew via private jet to Miami, where they were greeted with a cheering fiesta organized by the hard-line anti-Castro community. Federal officials briefly interviewed the pardoned men — all holders of U.S. passports — and then let them go their way. The fourth man, Luis Posada Carriles, was the most notorious member of this anti-Castro cell. He is an escapee from a prison in Venezuela, where he was incarcerated for blowing up an Air Cubana passenger plane in 1976, killing 73. He also admitted plotting six hotel bombings in Havana that killed one tourist and injured 11 others in 1997. Posada has gone into hiding in Honduras while seeking a Central American country that will harbor him, prompting Honduran President Ricardo Maduro to demand an explanation from the Bush administration on how a renowned terrorist could enter his country using a false U.S. passport. The terrorist backgrounds of Posada's three comrades-in-arms are as well documented as their leader's. … For a small but powerful minority in the Cuban American community, the Posada gang are freedom fighters. But Sept. 11 taught the rest of us about the danger of political fanatics who seek to rationalize their violence. To uphold his oft-stated principle that no nation can be neutral in the war on terrorism, shouldn't President Bush have condemned Moscoso's decision to release these terrorists? To protect the sanctity of U.S. borders and the security of Americans, shouldn't the administration have taken all available steps to keep known terrorists out of the United States? But Florida is crucial to Bush's reelection strategy. Currying favor with anti-Castro constituents in Miami appears to trump the president's anti-terrorism principles. So far, not a single White House, State Department or Homeland Security official has expressed outrage at Panama's decision to put terrorists back on the world's streets. The FBI appears to have no plans to lead a search for Posada so he can be returned to Venezuela, where he is a wanted fugitive. U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, which has rounded up and expelled hundreds of foreigners on the mere suspicion of a terrorist link, has indicated no intention to detain and deport Novo, Jimenez and Remon. … "I think you can create conditions so that those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world," Bush recently said in an interview. But the decision to allow members of the Posada gang into this country, and the televised spectacle of Miamians applauding their return, sends a different and dangerous message: In a swing state, some terrorists are not only acceptable but welcome." [DailyKos's MB's comments:] Mr. President, we know your advisers have told you Florida is key to your winning a second term and that the Cuban-American vote is key to that contest, but have you no fucking shame, sir? Not even a drop? " You can view this article and the comments posted at http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/12/171012/096 Posted by: Jo on September 13, 2004 04:03 PMFor what it's worth, I have read on several Vedic sites that the 7:10 birth time for Kerry is the one that has been the most successfully rectified, so.... maybe he'll be out of the woods by Saturday! That link posted by mars is just unbelievable. Who gives autority to the f***ing RNC to hold people prisoner? The NYC police must have been complicit, or they could and should indict the RNC for unlawfularrest, no? Oh, right, the Repug mayor, I forgot. This is OUTRAGEOUS. Not in MY country, damn it! The words, "collapse of the Republican party" felt like an emergency blood transfusion. If the mainstream media isn't going to report these atrocities, WE must. No windshield will be safe from this one. Posted by: Lucy on September 13, 2004 04:21 PMMy temper got the better of my manners - WONDERFUL article, Nancy, as always. Thank you. Posted by: Lucy on September 13, 2004 04:21 PMhttp://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/13/opinion/13herbert.html Protect the Vote Published: September 13, 2004 Oops! Republicans aren't supposed to actually say they want to suppress black votes. That's so retro. It's so Jim Crow. This is the 21st century, and the thing now is to do the dastardly deed, but never ever acknowledge it. That's where our friend Pappageorge went wrong. -more- Posted by: Laurie on September 13, 2004 04:29 PMNancy, I am sorry you have experienced first hand the vindictiveness of these fascists... kudos to your courage and "the light of your soul" which shines for all to see... Namaste Posted by: Jo on September 13, 2004 04:43 PMI usually stay off the blog when I'm writing my articles (new moon etc). I made an exception today and caught up on Nancy's latest fantastic article. Then I followed this link and went ballistic! I have my Mars 2 Scorpio 7th/8th house cups inconj, focus of a YOD with my Sun in Gemini and Venus in Taurus quintile my Pluto in Leo 6th H. cusp. My weapon is the Pen or a keyboard and the RNC is my target. Sedate new moon my foot. http://www.rense.com/general57/vitmo.htm Posted by: Morgana on September 13, 2004 04:58 PMGo, Morgana! Lilith rides! Get thee behind me, sedateness!!! Go, Morgana... Posted by: Jo on September 13, 2004 05:08 PM
http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=290 Posted by: wv on September 13, 2004 05:45 PM
how do you expect anyone to take you seriously Pentagon takes on Seymor Hersh....they must
http://www.cjr.org/tools/owners/newscorp.asp Posted by: wv on September 13, 2004 06:04 PMLet's not feed the Beast, people. Posted by: Jonathan on September 13, 2004 06:05 PMAll- If I've learned anything from this site,especially lately, it's this: you CANNOT expect to win an argument with the other side. My suggestion is that we save the energy we use to argue and instead, we quietly go about doing whatever is necessary to remove these farcical fascists from office. Spread the word and let them be judged by their words and their deeds. They ARE in control now but we can bring them down, by speading the TRUTH about them. And I'm not sure what "God" is "speaking" to "B*sh", but MY God has a few harsh words for him...... Rest assured in that. Peace and light to all--no one can bring us down without our consent. And now, Truth warriors, go forth and conquer!!!! :) Posted by: Garry on September 13, 2004 06:13 PM
http://www.cjr.org/tools/owners/ Posted by: wv on September 13, 2004 06:22 PMTo affirm Nancy's label of the "Bully Brigade" I offered the piece from Kos and the link above... the article so intrigued me with its report of ties to terrorists to Miami that I dug a little more. One of the four freed was Orlando Bosch. Apparently, the Sun Sentinel finds these ties interesting... for they bind to Jeb Bush and to Poppy: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/opinion/sfl-08forum07sep11,0,5886862.story?coll=sfla-news-opinion Bush Sr. pardoned Orlando Bosch, who was linked to the Cubana Airlines bombing in October, 1976. Here is an interesting excerpt from a 2001 US Congressional report by the Committee on Government Reform on controversial pardons: LA Times headline in Kos piece says "Bush turns a blind eye" --- I don't agree... I believe all the Bushites see quite clearly who is a 'terrorist' and who is not... [some think a 'blind eye' was turned on 9/11...] One has to wonder how long the Bushites have been importing thugs, 'terrorists' to this country... Texas and Florida have become 'entities' unto themselves... perhaps that is more pervasive than suspected. Certainly all the Iran-Contra thugs have crawled out from under the woodwork... some gaining control in Washington, some in Iraq... Yes Nancy, to what and to whom are these folks loyal? "To whom is this man in the Oval Office loyal? All of his policies benefit the corporate elite and the richest 1% at the expense of the American people. His biggest campaign contributors - the pharmaceutical companies, the insurance industry, the logging industry, the defense industry, the coal, oil, and gas industries - receive huge windfalls from Bush’s relaxation of regulations and manipulation of legislation. The rest of us get to pay higher prices and be poisoned by an increasingly noxious environment. Global corporations have no loyalty to an individual country. They are loyal to the bottom line. Are these Bush’s constituents?" Nancy, The Black Commentator calls the cabal pirates... Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French or Latin; Middle French, from Latin pirata, from Greek peiratEs, from peiran to attempt -- more at FEAR And how is this ‘fear’ perpetrated? Through ‘terror’ — the war on terror... terror: Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French terreur, from Latin terror, from terrEre to frighten; akin to Greek trein to be afraid, flee, tremein to tremble -- more at TREMBLE Pirates take, steal — through the use of fear ---- they claim allegiance to no country... no thing ... Piracy is an ACT OF TREASON... ----------- Right Garry, Truth Warriors! Namaste Posted by: Jo on September 13, 2004 06:30 PMNow Georgie is no LEFT wing extremist... http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/printer_091304F.shtml Posted by: wv on September 13, 2004 06:33 PMThe roots of the sinister organism, one fruit of which now occupies the Oval Office: http://www.news-miner.com/Stories/0,1413,113~7252~2397258,00.html Posted by: shylurker on September 13, 2004 06:38 PMWell stated Jo, You missed your calling you should have been I too, believe he's a fruit. Haven't seen that term used for a long time, but wv, I should have used the term 'product'. I hope I have not offended Mother Nature. Posted by: shylurker on September 13, 2004 07:04 PMJust Terrific Nancy!!! A must read If you believe that defeating George W. Bush and the men who control him is just a matter of politics, this editorial is not for you. This is not a matter to be left to pollsters and Democratic consultants who specialize in developing vague so-called "centrist" strategies that lead to their true calling: writing concession speeches.Bush is like one of those inflatable dolls that bursts open several times a day and deflates. The job of the corporate press -- per daily message points provided by the Karl Rove crew -- is to patch him up and re-inflate him everyday into Popeye by the next morning. http://www.buzzflash.com/editorial/04/09/edi04063.html
Posted by: KAP on September 13, 2004 07:19 PM WV, thanks for the compliment, but I'm a ranter... here's a writer--- Juan Cole, and imho he has hit another one way out of the park. Some of his musings, reflections on 9/11 --- rest can be viewed at his site: http://www.juancole.com/2004_09_01_juancole_archive.html#109487993311862124 -------------- For al-Qaeda to succeed, it must overthrow the individual nation-states in the Middle East, most of them colonial creations, and unite them into a single, pan-Islamic state. But Ayman al-Zawahiri's organization, al-Jihad al-Islami, had tried very hard to overthrow the Egyptian state, and was always checked. Al-Zawahiri thought it was because of US backing for Egypt. They believed that the US also keeps Israel dominant in the Levant, and backs Saudi Arabia's royal family. Al-Zawahiri then hit upon the idea of attacking the "far enemy" first. That is, since the United States was propping up the governments of Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc., all of which al-Qaeda wanted to overthrow so as to meld them into a single, Islamic super-state, then it would hit the United States first. The attack on the World Trade Center was exactly analogous to Pearl Harbor. The Japanese generals had to neutralize the US fleet so that they could sweep into Southeast Asia and appropriate Indonesian petroleum. The US was going to cut off imperial Japan from petroleum, and without fuel the Japanese could not maintain their empire in China and Korea. So they pushed the US out of the way and took an alternative source of petroleum away from the Dutch (which then ruled what later became Indonesia). Likewise, al-Qaeda was attempting to push the United States out of the Middle East so that Egypt, Jordan, Israel and Saudi Arabia would become more vulnerable to overthrow, lacking a superpower patron. Secondarily, the attack was conceived as revenge on the United States and American Jews for supporting Israel and the severe oppression of the Palestinians. Bin Laden wanted to move the timing of the operation up to spring of 2001 so as to "punish" the Israelis for their actions against the Palestinians in the second Intifadah. Khalid Shaikh Muhammad was mainly driven in planning the attack by his rage at Israel over the Palestinian issue. Another goal is to destroy the US economy, so weakening it that it cannot prevent the emergence of the Islamic superpower. Al-Qaeda wanted to build enthusiasm for the Islamic superstate among the Muslim populace, to convince ordinary Muslims that the US could be defeated and they did not have to accept the small, largely secular, and powerless Middle Eastern states erected in the wake of colonialism. Jordan's population, e.g. is 5.6 million. Tunisia, a former French colony, is 10 million, less than Michigan. Most Muslims have been convinced of the naturalness of the nation-state model and are proud of their new nations, however small and weak. Bin Laden had to do a big demonstration project to convince them that another model is possible. Bin Laden hoped the US would timidly withdraw from the Middle East. But he appears to have been aware that an aggressive US response to 9/11 was entirely possible. In that case, he had a Plan B: al-Qaeda hoped to draw the US into a debilitating guerrilla war in Afghanistan and do to the US military what they had earlier done to the Soviets. Al-Zawahiri's recent message shows that he still has faith in that strategy. The US cleverly outfoxed al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, using air power and local Afghan allies (the Northern Alliance) to destroy the Taliban without many American boots on the ground. Ironically, however, the Bush administration then went on to invade Iraq for no good reason, where Americans faced the kind of wearing guerrilla war they had avoided in Afghanistan. Al-Qaeda has succeeded in several of its main goals. It had been trying to convince Muslims that the United States wanted to invade Muslim lands, humiliate Muslim men, and rape Muslim women. Most Muslims found this charge hard to accept. The Bush administration's Iraq invasion, along with the Abu Ghuraib prison torture scandal, was perceived by many Muslims to validate Bin Laden's wisdom and foresightedness. After the Iraq War, Bin Laden is more popular than George W. Bush even in a significantly secular Muslim country such as Turkey. This is a bizarre finding, a weird turn of events. Turks didn't start out with such an attitude. It grew up in reaction against US policies. It remains to be seen whether the US will be forced out of Iraq the way it was forced out of Iran in 1979. If so, as al-Zawahiri says, that will be a huge victory. A recent opinion poll did find that over 80 percent of Iraqis want an Islamic state. If Iraq goes Islamist, that will be the biggest victory the movement has had since the rise of the Taliban in Afghanistan. An Islamist Iraq might well be able ultimately to form a joint state with Syria, starting the process of the formation of the Islamic superstate of which Bin Laden dreams. If the Muslim world can find a way to combine the sophisticated intellectuals and engineers of Damascus and Cairo with the oil wealth of the Persian Gulf, it could well emerge as a 21st century superpower. Bin Laden's dream of a united Muslim state under a revived caliphate may well be impossible to accomplish. But with the secular Baath gone, it could be one step closer to reality. If you add to the equation the generalized hatred for US policies (both against the Palestinians and in Iraq) among Muslims, that is a major step forward for al-Qaeda. In Saudi Arabia, al-Qaeda has emerged as a dissident political party. Before it had just been a small group of Bin Laden's personal acolytes in Afghanistan and a handful of other countries. Although the United States and its Pakistani ally have captured significant numbers of al-Qaeda operatives in Afghanistan and Pakistan, a whole new generation of angry young Muslim men has been produced. Al-Qaeda has moved from being a concrete cell-based terrorist organization to being an ideal and a model, for small local groups in Casablanca, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia and elsewhere. The US is not winning the war on terror. Al-Qaeda also has by no means won. But across a whole range of objectives, al-Qaeda has accomplished more of its goals than the US has of its.
shylurker, By the way, I had questioned about a week ago of the sampling and polls by newsweek and time saying I love this site - but I haven't been posting because "I'm not worthy". This is one site where the posts are almost as informative as the articles. It is also great that so many of you share my political views. I hate to admit it - but I have stopped talking to most of my Republican friends. Does that make me a bad person? I have the Sun, Moon, Mercury and Venus in Gemini, so normally I like a good conversation. But the Sun is on the Cancer cusp, and my ascend is 19 degrees Cancer. So Saturn just crossed over to my first house. I also have 3 planets (Mars, Uranus and Pluto) in Virgo - which square my Gemini planets. Anyway..... I'm not sure why - but lately I can't bear to talk to anyone who is a Republician. I feel it is a waste of time to try and reason with them. One friend blamed all Bush's failures on the Democrats. I asked "How can you blame the Dems when the Repubs have the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches. He said - "The Dems criticize everything Bush does - and that holds him back." I have another childhoold friend who won't vote Dem because STATE sales taxes increased under Clinton. Lately I find myself turning down lunches with friends and family get togethers because the Repugs always start talking Politics and it makes me too angry. Is anyone else having this problem? I have to say - I think the Bush campaign is Brilliant! I was a marketing major undergrad, and they taught one of the best ways to sell a product is to associate a persons self-esteem with the product. So - the person thinks - "If I smoke this cigarette - or drink this scotch - or drive this car - that must mean I take on the characteristics I associate with other people who use those products." I think the Rebublican party has brainwashed a lot of peoople into thinking Dems are losers looking for handouts from the gov't, and Repubs are wealthy industrialists. I think some people want to associate themselves with the wealthy and not the losers - so they march along with the Repubs. As an example, I am a computer programmer, and I (used to - now unemployed - NOT on unemployement!) make anywhere from $70,000 - $100,000 a year. I have been a contractor since 1996 - and usually all contractors with the same skills get the same hourly rate. It is so funny though, because the Dems usually describe themselves as middle class - and the Repubs usally describe themselves as rich. I think for some people to vote Democratic - it would be either a huge blow to their self-esteem - or a major change in how they view the world. Then if you add the religious right who act like if they vote for a pro-life candidate - they will go staight to hell. I think the Repubs have a huge % of the populaton wrapped up without doing anything. However, I simply can't think about Bush for 4 more years. Kerry HAS to win. I mean Gore got more votes, and Kerry has more going for him than Gore. Sorry for the wordy post... I had to vent..... I LOVE this site - and the links everyone adds are fantastic! Posted by: SuzieLiberal on September 13, 2004 07:56 PMRaj, many thanks for responding. I really like that site, but wanted to know your reaction to it as well since I am very ignorant of Vedic. Posted by: shylurker on September 13, 2004 08:02 PMWV, in your article "The Pentagon takes on Seymor Hersh" is kind of good news. It's become more and more obvious over the last four years that the more frightened they become, the more their losing numbers begin to rise is when the attacks are the greatest by this increasingly pitiful group. The freepers come out of the woodwork, almost as if they are paid to do so. I have this vision of foaming frothing beasts being unleashed when Bush is beginning to go down the tubes and he is losing ground, not as much as he will starting in about 10 or 12 days but losing ground nonetheless and somehow they know when something is coming that will be a body slam for Bush and out they come. Posted by: Sally on September 13, 2004 08:04 PMyeh pro life joe, ilks of yours are killing innocent children and women in the unlawful, illegal occupation and war with Iraq, so get off that preacher pretentions! Posted by: on September 13, 2004 08:05 PMExcept for one thing, the lives of unborn children are FAR more innocent than the lives of those already born in Iraq or alive anywhere in the world. Second, you're shifting the blame that still rests on your own shoulders. If you KILL your unborn child, you will have sinned, and judgement will be on YOUR shoulders not the soldiers in Iraq. Sorry, but I don't buy the argument that because everyone else is killing it is okay for YOU yourself to kill the most innocent of life on earth. Posted by: Joe on September 13, 2004 08:09 PMJoe: Now that we know you just post here for the
http://www.nypress.com/print.cfm?content_id=11004 Sally Noted..... Posted by: wv on September 13, 2004 08:21 PMThank you, Sally. Remember: DO NOT FEED THE BEAST! Just let him starve away into oblivion. Posted by: Jonathan on September 13, 2004 08:23 PMActually, my presense here, and your reaction shows me how worried you are when someone speaks the truth. What is your gut reaction? Try to silence me? As for my friends, actually many of them read this site along with what I write to get a balanced view. Not for any particular amusement. Believe me, I can find a million other things to do for FUN than sit here and watch your childish reactions. As for being paid, nope, although it is very possible I can find someone who might pay me just to catalog and record your responses because many of them are classical liberal. Yet, I find it most interesting how you still want to believe the delusion that Kerry is going to win, because at the moment it seems far from certain he is even going to recover from all his major blunders let alone take the lead and win the votes necessary to become President. Another four more years of a man with vision, President George Bush, would yet again show you liberals how you've had nothing to promote, no solutions to problems, and have done nothing but be pessimistic, doomy, and gloomy about today and the future. Posted by: Joe on September 13, 2004 08:27 PM
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6891.htm Posted by: wv on September 13, 2004 08:30 PMIvan is back up to a category 5 --- much bigger windbag than one on site --- and moving onto Cuba. Lets send light and prayers to all those in its path... CNN is headlining that it is headed for Florida, but the NHC projects the eye making landfall in Fl panhandle and affecting part of coastal MS and LA as well... category 5 is huge! Namaste Posted by: Jo on September 13, 2004 08:34 PMYour take on necropubs was fun, SuzieLiberal... I always sense them as mega-greedy & sociopathic pluto-olicrats on one extreme (as necropubs ARE extremists) & the other bits are slant-haided tent-inhabiters with trance-inducing evangolusts (particularly for money/sex - taurus/scorpio). I generally think of progressives, dems, independents & all other citizens of the World as well-educated, creative, concerned, intelligent, active for social justice, & don't wear their current deity on their forehaids... in other words, the sacred is held/treated sacred & not turned into billcaps, t-shirts & tapes n' videos. Something like that. ;O) Posted by: JoannaOregon on September 13, 2004 08:51 PMNewsweek says it's worse than you think - the War in Iraq, that is... We're losing the country... one town at a time. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5973272/site/newsweek/ "It's not only that U.S. casualty figures keep climbing. American counterinsurgency experts are noticing some disturbing trends in those statistics. The Defense Department counted 87 attacks per day on U.S. forces in August--the worst monthly average since Bush's flight-suited visit to the USS Abraham Lincoln in May 2003. Preliminary analysis of the July and August numbers also suggests that U.S. troops are being attacked across a wider area of Iraq than ever before. And the number of gunshot casualties apparently took a huge jump in August. Until then, explosive devices and shrapnel were the primary cause of combat injuries, typical of a "phase two" insurgency, where sudden ambushes are the rule. (Phase one is the recruitment phase, with most actions confined to sabotage. That's how things started in Iraq.) Bullet wounds would mean the insurgents are standing and fighting--a step up to phase three. --------------- Can we spell "q-u-a-g-m-i-r-e" yet?
Yes .... SIX MORE WEEKS .... then 24 years... 2005-2012 Kerry I think if Kerry got in it could be wonderful for the US. I read his Health Care ideas - and I thought they were great. He is big on the environment. Solar and Wind are already making huge progress - and with a little help from the Gov't - who knows what is possible. Things can really change quickly. Look how much things changed under Clinton. I never would have thought in 1992 - that by 2000 the budget wouldn't just be balanced - but we'd have a surplus. I also didn't dream in 2000 that Bush could screw up so much in 4 years. My first choice was Dean - but Kerry might really be good. Also ... has anyone besides me wondered if the incorrect polls from Time, etc were to camouflage a stolen election? I also find it very reassuring that so many ex-pats are voting this time around. And, this time around Nader is not going to con people into thinking there is no difference between the Repugs and Dems. I also don't think many 2000 Gore voters will go for Bush this time. To me it all adds up to a win. And I've thought for 4 years the Repubs were facists - the Nazi connection to the Bush family just brings it home. Posted by: SuzieLiberal on September 13, 2004 08:57 PMJoanna, I swan I'm going to start collecting your wonderfully original words and phrases into a little booklet... there's so much power in them... just reading them makes me feel stronger! and I want to chant: six more weeks! six more weeks! Be gone, you pluto-olicrats... back to the rocks you came out from under... Ahhh, something gets lost in the translation! It's not the same as when you say it! You'll just have to come on board more often and spread your peppery, strong words to bolster us 'truth warriors' (right Garry?!) Blessed be... Posted by: Jo on September 13, 2004 09:00 PMSuzieLiberal! You are worthy and then some. Loved your post! You said what my broker did, but much better and clearer. People love to imagine themselves part of the ruling class, and calling themselves rich on $80,000 per is just for starters. I think the poor dupes actually believe they'll get a piece of the spoils from the Bushies raping and pillaging of our wounded Gaia. I really wonder how long they'll eat crumbs before realising that's the whole menu? They're the people who think a knock-off Vuitton from a discount store makes them just like Paris Hilton. It's so pathetic I almost feel sorry for them. Sooner or later reality hits even the dumbest! (The religious faction will probably hang tough until the Rapture! lol) Please post often.........you write well! Teg Posted by: Teg on September 13, 2004 09:09 PMThanks Joanna Oregon! Unfortunately - most of the people I work with are Repugs. Most of the people from my hometown in Indiana are also Repugs. I've gotten to know them very well. It's true - they usually aren't well-educated. They don't read books unless they are 1) how to get rich or 2) how to lose weight or 3) why Dems are REALLY bad people. They ARE greedy - always trying to get someone else to pick up the tab - and they are lousy tippers! They don't appreciate Art. They won't let their pets sleep in their bed. Some of them found "God" in a 12 step program, so they value Spirituality - as long as it is EXACTLY what they believe - otherwise - well - you're going to Hell! They don't want to pay taxes - but they don't mind giving money to the church. I assuming that's to insure that they have a first class ticket to heaven. I have them all stereotyped in my head!!!! :) (I'm only slightly kidding!) Posted by: SuzieLiberal on September 13, 2004 09:18 PMFrom Le Monde The most serious incident yesterday took place in Haifa street, on the right bank of the Tigirs. One of several US patrols is trying to locate the artillerymen who have been firing since dawn on the Green Zone. A boobytrapped car approaches a Bradley armored vehicle and explodes. The six US soliders inside, all of whom are wounded, manage to escape the burning vehicle but come under Kalachnikov fire. They withdraw. In the muzzle of the tank cannon, insurgents plant the black and yellow flag of Tawhid wal Jihad, the group led by Abu Mussab Al-Zarkaoui, a presumed Al Qaeda leader in Iraq. Once the small arms fire ends, a crowd of curious onlookers assembles. People stare at the scene, stupefied. Rather than sending in ground reinforcements to recover the Bradley, the US military dispatched combat helicopters. Even though by now there are only civilians in the street, some of whom are dancing and singing in celebration next to the burning hulk of the Bradley, the helicopter launches its missiles at them to "avoid looting of sensitive equipment" and to "avoid harming the Iraqi people." At the end of the day, the Iraqi Health Ministry reports 13 dead and 60 wounded in Haifa Street. The first journalists on the scene are casualties. A correspondent for Al-Arabiya TV of Palestinian origin, Mazen Toumeizi, is killed while two Iraqi reporters, one a Reuters cameraman and the other a photography for the Getty agency are wounded. Incredibly, the wire services are reporting the US gunships are launching more missles on downtown Baghdad and that a city curfew has been imposed. here's the BBC video link (Real Player needed): http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/video/40063000/rm/_40063230_iraq22_hawley12_vi.ram Patrick Cockburn of the Independent has a story about this: "I am a journalist. I'm dying, I'm dying," screamed Mazen al-Tumeizi, a correspondent for the Arabic television channel al-Arabiya, after shrapnel from a rocket fired by an American helicopter interrupted his live broadcast and slammed into his back. http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=561021 ABC evening news showed a reporter talking in front of an incapacitated US armored vehicle with people swarmed around it; then an explosion with the camera flying to the ground; then, when the camera's picked up, you can see the reporter's blood on the lens.
Hey Teg, those dead rats are rotten INSIDE! Posted by: Raj on September 13, 2004 09:58 PMSally and all, I'm thinking the article posted at rense.com about the young woman from Hawaii being arrested in NYC during the convention may very well be bogus. Something like that certainly would be covered in the Hawaii newspapers--I went to the Honolulu Advertiser, and the Star-Bulletin and did a search--nada! Then I googled "little Guantanamo" with words "Republican" and "convention". Also nada. rense.com carries a disclaimer that they don't check out any stories, they just post what is sent to them. If anybody can find a source for this story, please let me know. For me, the fact that it wasn't in either of the big Hawaiian newspapers is pretty telling. Posted by: Barbara on September 13, 2004 10:08 PMSally, I read the article posted about the girl from Hawaii yesterday. It really is chilling and, I believe, a harbinger of things to come in the next few weeks. I hope it's only for the next few weeks and not beyond. Another thing I came across this weekend were articles about how the Secret Service has morphed from being the protectors of the rPresident/veep to a kind of goon squad. Several instances were related about the Service removing hecklers at dimson's events forcibly (in one instance, the female heckler was pulled out of the room by her ponytail). In no instance was a heckler ever identified as violent or physically threatening. In each case, the heckler(s) was arrested and sent off to jail, later to be released. It's very clear that this group plans to shut down dissent in every manner possible. God help us all if these people continue in their present positions. I think it's also something to consider during the aftermath of the elections. I believe these guys will try to retain power by force and chicanery, even if they are clearly and unequivocally voted out. Posted by: Susan on September 13, 2004 10:18 PMBarbara...... I think you're right. It sounded funny when I read it, and you can be sure that anything that blatant would not be missed in this most democratic of all cities! Posted by: Teg on September 13, 2004 10:19 PM
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/printer_091404W.shtml Posted by: wv on September 13, 2004 10:20 PMThanks, Jo... back at you, Seesta! Have passed around your posted by Cockburn on Iraq. How uppity & arrogant are them necropubs... they need to be put in their place... in front of the World Court for Crimes Against Humanity & Nature... that or Abu Ghraib where thru homo-sado torture, they may learn true compassion... perhaps. Posted by: JoannaOregon on September 13, 2004 10:22 PMPerhaps the "Secret Service" surrounding bushaunelected aren't really part of the Secret Service. If mercenaries/thugs can be hired to pretend to be USian military, mercenaries/thugs can be hired to pretend to be Secret Service staff. Perhaps a leak will be forthcoming from a Secret Service whistleblower. That'd be good. ;O) Posted by: JoannaOregon on September 13, 2004 10:31 PM
Monkey Mail I'm not even sure what this is about, but I laughed anyway:
Those two come to mind...
You guys are pissing on yourselfs by making false witness against your Brother (rather papers) Keep up the good work, the whole world is seeing how much you are really idots.
Comment (0) | Trackback (0) Did you say/spell quagmire, Jo? Anyone remember Afganistan, the little country that brought down the Soviet Union after 10 years of Jihad? Ah, but the patriotic Americans say, that was with our help. We trained Osama, and gave weapons to the Northern Alliance, and now we have a minority rule in Kabul under Karzai. But our little superimposed government is not really Islamic. Big mistake there. Minority rule has never lasted in Kabul. The Taliban and Al Qaeda are nearly destroyed? I doubt it. The Bush Admin gave them a month to disband and disperse. Bush Admin thinks Pakistan is on our side? They think Muslims can be bought? The arrogance of some thinking a dead Bin Laden will be given for an October surprise; anyone ever notice how the Breaking News of a captured high Al Qaeda terrorist official usually breaks down to nothing? All it takes is some empathy and understanding. Put yourself in the enemy's shoes/sandels, whatever.....Although for me personally, I can't consider them the enemy. I see more how they can percieve US as one, given all that US has done to them. The ultimate joke would be, if the US started doing it to themselves. A RW brownshirt should think of that before attacking a neighbor or neighbor's property. Sorry, not saying much I guess, just had to rant here. I hate WAR, especially stupid ones, that could be resolved differently. Posted by: Shade on September 13, 2004 10:42 PM
http://www.progressive.org/webex04/wx090904.html Posted by: wv on September 13, 2004 10:52 PM
http://www.crisispapers.org/essays/grim-tale.htm Posted by: wv on September 13, 2004 11:04 PMYou're post about your stockbroker inspired my post. How do you spell Republican? S-U-C-K-E-R!! I keep thinking soon they'll get it! I thought they'd get it when the economy soared under Clinton. I thought they'd get it when things went to Hell under Bush. I thought they'd get it when Rush Limbaugh admitted to an addiction to pain-killers. I now wonder if they'll ever get it. They seem so unreasonable - but a lot of Repugs only watch Fox news - and Fox gives them an easy answer for everything. Sometimes I get so mad at the Dems. I want to tell them - stop over-estimating the intelligence of the average citizen. Treat people like idiots like the Repugs do. Give them simple ideas in short sound bites. No complicated ideas they don't understand. But - of course - that is why the Democratic party is so great. They DON'T understimate us. They don't appeal to our baser instincts. And I think there are enough of us who do "get it" - that their methods will pay off. Posted by: Teg on September 13, 2004 11:14 PMI meant to address the above post to Teg -sorry!!!! The fact the Repugs are so misled would be funny - except - people are dying! Lives are being destroyed. Posted by: SuzieLiberal on September 13, 2004 11:17 PMWe live in a country that lifts the Ban on Assault weapons, but is seeking to put a Ban on Gay marriage. Now what is likely to hurt somebody the most? Posted by: Shade on September 13, 2004 11:19 PMThere is no need to worry at all.Kerry is in a far Does anyone have any opinions on this article claiming that Dick Cheney may resign suddenly, and John McCain will jump in as the VP candidate??? Just to double check, what does John McCain's transits look like over the next few moths? http://blogs.salon.com/0003573/stories/2004/08/31/election2004CheneyIsOutJohnMccainIsIn.html Also, if anyone is interested in writing for a new online Astrology magazine on politics and popular culture, email me. Posted by: Lawrence the LEO on September 13, 2004 11:29 PMLeonard, I am going right to the end of this article/comments to mention that I and a few other's have left inquiries about Maureen Dowd on the previous thread that we would like responses to if anyone is inclined (they are right near the end). Pat C. has contributed her birthday. Also a couple of inquires on Cheney here and on last thread. I would like to know about what you see for Cheney too. If I am repeating myself by skipping ahead I am sorry. I will catch up on Tuesday but don't want the M. Dowd stuff to be overlooked. THANK YOU TO ALL THE ASTROLOGERS AND POSTERS FOR THIS wonderful site, fascinating articles,the sharing, links, and support. Bless you all. Posted by: Beverly on September 14, 2004 12:31 AM
There are several divisional charts in Vedic astrology and it depends how the planets fall around those charts. The Rasi and the Navamsa are the two most important charts, with the Rasi being the natal and the Navamsa relating to relationships and specifically marriage, however many Vedic astrologers say that the Navamsa chart and its condition (where planets fall) covers the second half of your life. Beyond those two are the: In terms of a GWB and Kerry in this instance a Vedic astrologer would look at the Rasi, Navamsa and the Dasamsha and how the planets all fall in those charts are they dibilitated or exhaulted do they rule good or bad houses and what are the transits to the planets, and they would then look at the Dasa/Bhukti and what period and sub period does it cover, there are vargas that tell you the strength and or weakness of each planet and each house. The Dasa/Bhukti are sort of like progression in western Astrology. Any way that might help you sort through some of the Vedic comments around the web. Posted by: Sally on September 14, 2004 12:36 AMNope. That was me. Wasn't convention hype, but a highly placed Repub connect. I've already done articles about the fire at Cheney's posterior. Cheney will have to resign due to 1) Valerie Plame and/or 2) Halliburton trading with Iran during time of sanctions when he was CEO. He's got other problems as well. Was told the plan is to replace him with McCain, which makes sense given his liabilities and McCain's plusses. Never said it would happen then. Just reported what I was told by my major insider connect. In fact, in a subsequent post, I outlined the strategy I think they'll use to make the change. It's not just metaphysical -- I used to have a political life in Texas years ago. And you can find the political me at http:blogs.salon.com/0001847 and the astrological me at http:blogs.salon.com/0003573. ABB! Posted by: RW on September 14, 2004 12:39 AMMars(Red) represents the cons/repugs while Jupiter RW, So, are you saying that you understand through a connection that he definitely will be replaced before Nov. 2? Wonder why it didn't happen during the convention? Do you know? Is he refusing to go? Sounds very interesting... inquiring minds want to know :-) Please, keep us posted won't you? Namaste Posted by: Jo on September 14, 2004 12:57 AMJo, I hear from some journalists friends of mine in Washington that it is thought in October Cheney will be replaced by the wildly popular Mr. McCain and that will do Kerry/Edwards in, or so is thought the pundits. Posted by: Sally on September 14, 2004 01:20 AMThe October Surprise, huh Sally? Well, our Veep is a Democrat, good looking, Southern and a Gemini... how's McCain going to do that in? I've never been on the 'McCain Train' and don't understand it... John McCain is a Republican... a very Conservative Republican... a lone Paleo-Republican in a swamp of Neandercons... a poster boy... A poster boy for Veep and an empty puppet for Prez... some ticket... and until he goes to jail [LOL] Cheney will still be the man behind the curtain????? What do you guys think? Whoa, one minute... by what mechanism do the Repugs accomplish this? Dubya just 'picks' McCain? A little late to get him on the ballot, isn't it? Write-in? Well, here's something to chew on folks... have at it... little conversation here... Posted by: Jo on September 14, 2004 01:43 AMJo makes a really good point about the mechanism with which they would get McCain on the ticket. Cheney has already been formally nominated and agreed upon, so how exactly would they get him off and McCain on? And I don't quite know how that would play with the public. Especially in light of Kerry/Edwards' astrology come October! It would be interesting to see how a Bush/McCain ticket might do astrologically, though. Posted by: Jonathan on September 14, 2004 01:51 AMThank you, Nancy for an awesome article. Sometimes when my hope starts to fade, along comes one of your articles and restores my hope. Looking back at these past 4 years; they have definitely been a roller-coaster ride of anger, frustration, seething thoughts of revenge, and later hope that we will be able to defeat this nightmarish administration. I have recently returned from a wonderful vacation to Northern Sweden. It was so peaceful up there in the arctic tundra. The Sami people were such wonderful hosts. Other Swedes from the north were very hospitable also, and they seemed to have none of the frustrations about BeelzeBush like we have here at home. I tried to fill them in on the sordid details, but they just smiled and poured me another cup of coffee! I think the message for me was to have more faith that things will work out, as long as I'm doing the right things. This hellish administration is obviously a lesson in the works for many people here. Regarding Causing Trouble for the Heck of it: I've been a member of the DU for over 1 year now. The 'Meeting Room' is my favorite place. For long periods, we had many troublemakers who found it extremely fun to cause problems. They 'flamed' people, insulted us one and all, and in particular focused on astrology as an evil science, and they took it upon themselves to "enlighten" us, one and all. Guess what? They're gone. We finally got rid of them. And furthermore, all the original posters are still there. So whatever they hoped to accomplish, it was a waste of clickety-clacking little fingers on the keyboard. Posted by: Cliss on September 14, 2004 01:54 AMCliss, Was just speaking today to a friend of mine who lives in Stockholm and another friend who lives in Copenhagen, and they BOTH know about Bush and absolutely HATE him! It seems to be the opinion shared by most in Denmark and Sweden. They don't trust him and see right through the facade that we Americans can't seem to get past. Guess that's what you get for living in a Society that treasures speed and convenience over truth and depth. Posted by: Jonathan on September 14, 2004 02:01 AMI found this on the right hand side bar of Laurie's 11 46 AM post re the N Korean Mountain blast as World prefers Kerry Poll Results except for these countries! Source: GlobeScan Inc/University of Maryland PIPA http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3640754.stm Posted by: Pat on September 14, 2004 02:17 AMSorry........the above post of the world poll. Eureka! Great Kerry idea by Zackpunk (From the diaris -- kos) I was just listening to the Al Franken show, and he touched on a point, but didn't make an interesting connection. Colin Powell told president Bush, "if you break it, you own it." And now president Bush is going around talking about having an "ownership society." That's a huge opening for Kerry: "Mr. president, Colin Powell told you about this war that 'if you break it, you own it.' And now you're going around talking about an 'ownership society.' Well, Mr. President, let me tell you what you own. A million jobs lost. You own that. A thousand soldiers lost. You own that. 1.4 million new people living below the poverty line. You own that. 1.2 million less people covered by health insurance. You own that. A seventeen percent medicare increase. You own that. Health care costs skyrocketing. You own that. The tax burden increasing amongst the middle class. You own that. Mr. President, if you want to talk about an ownership society, let's talk about what you own." YesYesYesYesYes Posted by: abilene on September 14, 2004 02:52 AMQuestion: Why are Powell and Cheney saying opposing things about WMD and Iraq? Seems to me that maybe Powell has had a gut full to buck the admin this way. Posted by: Teresa on September 14, 2004 03:10 AMLucy - Thank you for the news about the 7:10 birth time being rectified on the vedic sites. I keep going back to that chart. It seems to fit with events far more than the 8:03 chart. Do you have a link that discusses this? Posted by: Nancy on September 14, 2004 03:16 AMMy esteemed collegues: Please direct your attention to dkos and Nader on the Florida election..... Regarding the potential replacement of Cheney, I noticed that the George Bush campaign website mysteriously changed its url about seven months ago from bushcheney2004 to its current georgewbush.com. (Even now it will automatically redirect the user.) Contingency planning has probably been going on for a while. Also, if they do the switch after the convention. for "urgent" medical reasons, it may look more credible, and less calculated. (BTW, this is my first posting and I really enjoy the humanistic and metaphysical approach to politics here.) Posted by: JeanieJ on September 14, 2004 03:37 AMI'm almost sorry I posted the link about the Cheney replacement theory--I really don't think it is going to happen. BUT if someone out there wants to check out John McCains's chart and see what sort of aspects he has coming up that might shed some additional moon light on the subject... Posted by: Lawrence the LEO on September 14, 2004 03:46 AMJo, I followed up the story on my astrological blog a day later (Political Physics hadn't been offically launched yet) with my take on how they would do it strategically. And yes, it's due to "health problems." Personally, the Plame thing points to him to divert suspicion from Rove. And he is a liability to the ticekt, but can afford to be an attack dog until they decide McCain needs to be brought in as tag team player. Could even be after the election, to set up 2008. And yes, my namaskarams to you! Posted by: RW on September 14, 2004 03:48 AMInterestng you should suggest moon light shedding, Mr. Leo.....Sen. McCain has Saturn opposed to the Moon at the station starting this week. In my humble astrological opinion, that is an aspect that can represent emotional bummers like regret, depresion and uncertainty. The good Senator's main whine has always been the conduct of the Iraq war and it is going very badly at the present time, which may make any closer association with the administration less than attractive to him......as it may become for many others over the next four or five weeks. Posted by: on September 14, 2004 04:05 AMSo Jupiter is entering Libra in a few weeks...can anyone please explain what that means to the Republicans and Democrats? Posted by: Billy Bob on September 14, 2004 04:07 AMGarry Just wanted to let you know that I did answer your question in the last comment section.I live 40 to 45 miles southwest of Nashville Moved to TN about 12 years ago.
Lois Rodden has Kerry at 8:03 and they have that time as being confirmed by Kerry. Posted by: Sally on September 14, 2004 04:09 AMThe good news about McCain is that his Moon is 26 Capricorn54 so I don't think he will be winning any elections with Saturn sitting opposite it. He also has Saturn at 20Pisces09, so Pluto will be square to that in October. I have been thinking about the US progressed Mars which sits at 18Libra42 from 2004 through 2008 as it turns retrograde. In other words, it is stationary right now. To me, stationary means stuck. This leads me to wonder if this progressed Mars station indicates our stuckness militarily in Iraq. We can't move forward and we can't move back. I am getting to wish we would just leave, but then supposedly we create a terrorist haven. Would n't it be better to just have three countries there? Posted by: Nancy on September 14, 2004 04:13 AMSally - My understanding about the 8:03 time is that is comes from a family friend. I don't know where the original 7:10 came from. Posted by: Nancy on September 14, 2004 04:17 AMNancy, that was a very interesting remark you made and, upon reflecting uipon it, I believe that Smirky&Co have already created three countries in Iraq: Areas controlled by the locals, the Green Zone and the rest of Iraq (much of which will be joining the "Areas controlled by the locals"). This is a wonderful David Podvin article. All about Smirky's lies. http://makethemaccountable.com/podvin/more/040913_SubvertingDemocracy.htm Posted by: Nancy on September 14, 2004 04:31 AMFirst of all the Cheney thing: The Democratic National Committee replaced him with Sargent Shriver, and no state balked at printing Shriver's name on November ballots. So, yes Sally, Jonathan, it seems there is a precedent for placing someone on the ballot, post-convention. I've thought about the vacancy for existing office if Cheney were to 'resign due to health reasons' --- research on that shows: The 25th Amendment provides that "Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress." So, Dubya could appoint McCain to fill the vacancy between time of Cheney's resignation and Nov. 2 --- if, logistically there was time for a confirmation by both Houses. HR would rush it through with no problem on the majority (imho), but the Senate would be another thing... except of course Rove would have his minions slam the Demos for making the country vulnerable being without a VP! Who knows? Maybe it all hinges on when the 'bulldog' (Fitzgerald that is) --- FBI makes their case on Plame or whatever is in the works comes down on Cheney... maybe they're waiting 'til after the election? Well, hey, news flash --- Kerry/Edwards is going to win... so replacing Cheney after Nov is moot... Does Rove really think Cheney will fall on his sword to protect him? Okay, I'm done thinking about this... Jonathan, Sally you got any thoughts? Anybody? Posted by: Jo on September 14, 2004 04:37 AMHahahahaaaa... "try to push over stone walls with one‘s head." Great line, RW! How Aries/Taurus. Am greatly enjoying your site. http://blogs.salon.com/0003573/stories/2004/08/27/astrologyHotZonesForSeptember2004PiscesFullMoonSunmarsConjunctionAndSquaresFromVirgoToSagittarius.html Posted by: JoannaOregon on September 14, 2004 04:38 AM
Billy Bob based on their charts, and there are several but I take the one the parties themselves identify as their starting date because they both broke away from their historical roots and reformed. That makes May 21, 1832 Baltimore, MD for the Dems and 07.06.1854, Jackson, Michigan. Jupiter doesn't give the Republicans a jump start for awhile, and it trines the Gemini Dem Sun. Both parties have negative aspects to their charts but it's the Dems that have both positive and negative. And Election Day finds Venus in an exact trine/sextile to the Dems North Node. Posted by: Sally on September 14, 2004 04:38 AMAnother Kerry-will-win prediction: http://www.jshawvan.homestead.com/election2004.html Anyone interested in contributing to a new online Astrological magazine should email me... Posted by: Lawrence the LEO on September 14, 2004 04:45 AMI do remember Eagleton Jo, but that was just a month after their convention and the deadline for the States ballot registration hadn't been reached, those ballot deadlines have now been reached and that's my question. After the election the President can replace the VP with anyone they want, but it's the ticket change at this late date I'm just not sure about. Although my gut level feeling is you're right and Bush can replace him whenever he wants. Carnahan, that was the guy in Missouri, who died just a couple of weeks before the election. There is a preponderance of Repugs out there with a 26/27 degree Cardinal including McCain. I happened to do a phone reading this weekend for a member of parliament in London. He is a member of the Labour Party and he said people in England just cannot understand what's happened to the people in the US and why they cannot see through Bush because they are seeing through Blair, and want him out. Posted by: Sally on September 14, 2004 04:49 AMJeanieJ, No, I've never been to Dubya's website, so I wouldn't know what the url was seven months ago, or even now... don't have the stomach for that sort of thing, myself. You say even now it will redirect you? Hmmmm... I guess I did accidentally see the site once, at dKos, it was during the Democratic Convention and Kos ran it to show how negative it was, juxtaposition the Kerry/Edwards site.... I scrolled through really fast though, I simply don't like the energy that man emits... Posted by: Jo on September 14, 2004 04:49 AMN.B. guido is in retreath (http://www.sacredsites.com/asia/tibet/potala_palace.html) preparing for his predictions at 12:01AM, 9/19. Posted by: mike on September 14, 2004 04:56 AMMy impression is that Cheney is family and Rove is help. Also, we see all Cheney's warts but I don't think the GOP insiders have a clue how Cheney looks to others. The danger of putting out all those distortions and false-fronts is that they begin to believe their own propaganda. When even Bush realizes that things are going badly for him someone is going to have to take the blame, and I think it will be Rove. Posted by: Barbara on September 14, 2004 04:57 AMguido's retreat (working url): http://www.sacredsites.com/asia/tibet/potala_palace.html The international community must realize that fascism has reared its ugly head here in adolescent Amerika. I briefly elaborate on my astrological blog article, Too bad for all of us, but thank heaven for what free speech we have! Posted by: RW on September 14, 2004 05:01 AMGosh, Sally, My Moon is 25 Cap, my Pluto is 25 Cancer, and my Venus is 24 Sag. The next few weeks ought to be pretty interesting. Posted by: Barbara on September 14, 2004 05:02 AM
Tonight I received a call from the DNC making a pitch for more money. I said to the caller that I wasn't happy with Kerry's performance and he jumped right in to tell me that Bill Clinton had talked to Kerry and told him what he needed to do, it was a whole spiel and a practiced one. They've been getting complaints, and I expect lots of them. Hope the "Big Dog" feels up to talking to Kerry again. Posted by: Sally on September 14, 2004 05:12 AMRW: Thank you SO MUCH for listing your sites. I just checked them out and after reading your articles on Mahatma Gandhi, I just had to include one of them here for others to read as it seems so appropriate. I had forgotten his remarks on despair, and as usual, they brought tears to my eyes and hope to my heart. Thank you for the reminder! http://blogs.salon.com/0001847/ Friday, July 19, 2004 Mahatma Gandhi on the current wars between tyrants and barbarians By Robert Wilkinson Mohandas Gandhi was one of the most remarkable beings in history. He unequivocally demonstrated that the way of applied Soul-force using non-violent techniques was so powerful that the British left India without firing a shot. This quote seemed relevant, given our present global bloodlust and increasingly polarized public dialogue. “When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS.” This is no idle dream, but practical politics from one of the shrewdest politicians in history. http://blogs.salon.com/0003573/2004/07/23.html
OK. Florida (where else?) is going to put Smirky and Snarly on their ballots, although the Repug convention meant their filing was p-a-s-t Florida's deadline. Florida (where else?) is going to keep Nader on the ballot although a judge said they could not, since the hurricanes have created such havoc that it's simply impossible to do anything else. Well, I'll swan and I do declare and I think if that don't beat all! Posted by: shylurker on September 14, 2004 05:25 AMMr. Mike, You wrote that Ouida May and Guido were going to be on Montel. I had to haul out the smelling salts when I read that and I responded that I guessed that was better than being on Jerry Springer. (Don't even think about bringing up Howard Stern!!!!!) Where is Ouida May? She has not been in contact for days and days (as I also wrote earlier). And now you write that Guido is "in retreath". Do you know where Ouida May is? I can't believe that I am having to launch a search for my spirit guide. Isn't it supposed to be the other way around? And what is a retreath anyway? (BTW, Galen Rowell's photo of the Potala is even more breathless. And, did you know Frank Lloyd Wright had many photos of structures in his office, but only one of a building he did not design? And that was the Potala.) A word on the Neptune, Uranus mutual reception everyone. NEW ASTROLOGY / POLITICAL BLOG: http://astrotimes.blogspot.com/ Posted by: Lawrence the LEO on September 14, 2004 05:49 AMWhoa Sally, that was a great comment you made about the people in England not being able to understand what happened to US...... Good question indeed.......my attempt to answer would have to start with the Republican party taking its lumps at the end of the Nixon years, then regrouping after Ford lost to start their next phase. From Nixon, they learned that denial is everything, and from Vietnam, they learned that wars should not be shown on TV because the public could lose the message in the carnage. (Seen any pictures of dead American soldiers in our American press anywhere in the last 4 years?) Then, it was Reagan, the "acting" President, who showed them how to "work the crowd". RR was dubbed the "great communicator", but what he really showed the Repubs was how to control perceptions and get away with murder---which helped him earn his nickname, the "Teflon President". His greatest triumph/lesson? Charisma , in the age of television, was far more important than accountability or issues. [Really, Reagan/B*sh was the archetype for W./Cheney, because RR was only a figurehead(perhaps the ultimate) while 41 ran the country behind the scenes. Some would say 41 is still in charge!!!] And fast forward through the Clinton years, when new Repub "icons" like the Newt and Lott touted their "Contract With(On!) America" but were unable to deliver anything of substance, although they tried (though their control of the media and obvious double standards)to bring down perhaps the best president of the last 40 years. (Perhaps a more critical media would have exposed the skeletons in the accusers' closets and potentially ended the whole sordid Lewinsky affair before it became an "issue"?) The Newt-era vitriol/vindictiveness continued the "dumbing down" of political discourse to WWE level and the deregulation of the media under 43(antitrust suits, anyone?) allowed unlimited ownership(and therefore consolidation/control), bringing us to the present day---where there is no real dissent,no real information or expression of alternative viewpoints unless you have access to the internet. It's been a long slow process, but they've mostly achieved their goals..........the only thing is, I think they've underestimated the American people, and I predict the backlash will blow up in their faces in November...... that's my viewpoint of the last 30 or so years, anyway......maybe one of the super astrologers here could do an article/timeline showing the astrological "how and why" of what happened between the RNC and the media over the last 30 years? I LOVE THIS SITE!!! March on, truth warriors--"The Truth Shall Set You Free!" peace, white light for Cuba and Florida, and a Kerry/Edwards victory for all..... Posted by: Garry on September 14, 2004 05:53 AM
Nancy, Moulton woman says she lost job for sporting Kerry sticker on car MOULTON — Lynne Gobbell never imagined the cost of a John Kerry-John Edwards bumper sticker could run so high.
At the start of our recent weirdness, Dave Weissbard, of the Universalist Unitarian Church in Rockville, IL studied It Can't Happen Here alongside They Thought They Were Free (Milton Mayer's nonfiction account of Germans' perceptions during the Third Reich's reign) and related the themes to contemporary America. http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/04/09/far04030.html
Another factor in the Uranus, Neptune configuration...the value of the internet... Let us march on! Posted by: teresa b on September 14, 2004 06:23 AMWhy can't they (Dems) get their act together? Smirky&Co. have created disasters all over the planet (climate change = Ivan, for example; Iraq = death death and death, for example; Afghanistan = "Oh, sorry about picking up and leaving so early, but we gotta go invade Iraq," and then, Iran and then . . ." for example; depleted uranium = mega problems for our troops and the Iraqi people, but that's just a by-product of this crusade; air in NYC was declared safe to breath after 9/11 by the feds = major health problems for all the rescuers (including dogs) within a short time; and on and on. People on various internet (thanks, Al) sites are offering all kinds of suggestions for Kerry to say. Why can't the Kerry campaign articulate something that matters, piques interest and goes to the heart of our collective (our treasury is exhausted and we are now living under tremendous debt)? What is wrong? Can they get it right? Are there any astrological configurations associated with this embarrassing failure of the Kerry campaign to find a voice, to communicate clearly and cogently with the American people? Man, I miss Howard Dean! Posted by: shylurker on September 14, 2004 06:24 AMYes shy, I just told you. The U/N mutual reception. No matter what Kerry says, it will be confused....not his fault. Posted by: tersa b on September 14, 2004 06:38 AMShylurker, in one of my recent articles I specifically said Aug and Sept would be very hard on Kerry/Edwards but October would be hard on Bush when Sun and Mars slip into Libra, and Saturn conj. his Saturn and opposes the US Pluto. I have never thought Kerry had what it took to win, but Bush has what it takes to lose. Something is about to blow for him. There is more coming out about torture all over the US detainee prisons. Like WV's article today the Pentagon is trying to shut up Sy Hersh and his new book. I do so understand the discouragement, I just don't understand why Kerry isn't more forceful (I didn't understand that in Gore) I don't understand why they don't let Edwards go and make big waves. Too many people trying to make Kerry over into Clinton, including Clinton and Kerry is not Clinton and never will be. Kerry has so much coming at him and so many people and with Mars squaring his Sag and Gemini, I think he himself is about to blow, and this new moon has the Sun/Moon/Mars all square Kerry's Saturn, very explosive combination and why I have had questions whether Kerry makes it to Oct. 10th as a candidate. This New Moon is going to be tough on the US too as it will conjunct the US Neptune and square Mars, that's a prescription for an early flu season, or Ivan being worse than thought, maybe he doesn't lose steam coming to the US shores. Another possibility is more oil wells blown up in Iraq, more violence, serious violence due to this New Moon configuration aspecting Iraq's planets. This is the bad news but before the Bush team starts celebrating they might want to know that the Sun and Mars are coming to their neighborhood soon and to the US. Posted by: Sally on September 14, 2004 06:38 AMNancy, I can't tell you how much I enjoyed your article! The astrologers here and the commenters are just outstanding, and I never miss a day reading and/or posting, no matter how busy I am. Thank you Nancy, and thank you Sally for such a wonderful site! Speaking of commenters, I've noticed some coming, advertizing their own sites, and inviting those visiting Astroworld to go on over to their sites. It seem odd to me. I took a look and they are very interesting sites indeed, but wouldn't it be a tad more appropriate to ask to be a link on Astroworld, or perhaps to offer to write an article for Astroworld rather than what has been said? It just seems ......odd. Posted by: Pat C on September 14, 2004 06:39 AMLies and deception are ruling now, Uranus has a magical way of FLIP FLOPPING! Posted by: teresa p on September 14, 2004 06:40 AMThanks so much for responding, Sally. So many things are wrong (outsourcing, un/underemployment, costs vs. income, Treasury bare, national debt staggering, war and war and war, and blah-blah-blah) that it is a mind-blower than the Kerry folks can't come up with a coherent and forceful message that will resonate with the people in the U.S.of A. End of rant. Will try not to repeat. Will try not to repeat. Will try not to repeat. Posted by: shylurker on September 14, 2004 06:49 AMNeptune going direct October 24....Be patient and let things take their natural couse...valerien root is a good herbal sedative! Posted by: teresa b on September 14, 2004 06:50 AMOf course, I also have a mercury/neptune sqare, so Kerry makes perfect sense to me. You kinda have to depend on poetry. Posted by: teresa b on September 14, 2004 06:54 AMThank you for last post Sally. Although I have not been able to locate it, I believe you said in either an article or a post recently that perhaps having Bush win in Nov. might not be the worst possible thing after all. Bill Maher agrees with you........says everything will be such a mess by Nov. that it might be best for the Repugs to have to clean up their own messes for once. Just remembering what they did to Clinton, and what they would surely do to Kerry, I wonder if there might not be some merit in that thought. Analogise to stock charting: a market always has to make a definitive bottom before it can rise, lower lows can only reverse to little bullish blips before the nadir has really been reached for that cycle. I cannot imagine the power boys backing off and letting Kerry govern. Teg I promise...the people will finally get it... Bush IS misleading them. Posted by: teresa on September 14, 2004 07:07 AMShylurker, I just cannot imagine the awful things going on in your community, I can't think of anything to say but 'what pigs' Economically the US always does badly in Oct. and April when the Sun Ingresses into Libra and Aries because they square all the Cancer in the US. This year Jupiter will also be in Libra, not there since 1992 when Clinton beat Bush at the last minute on the economy. This year Jupiter is almost in the same place as 1992 and Mars will be squaring its 1992 place when it was in Cancer, and this year we have Saturn opposing Pluto in the 2nd house. Bush will be blamed for the economy, even if he isn't to blame, we just have to hope Kerry can take advantage of it, or knows how to take advantage of it. Meanwhile the Libra ingress favors Kerry. In astrology one looks at the upcoming events in the abstract and are usually as surprised or disgusted as everyone else when they start to unfold. I knew Kerry would have problems over these last two months and even though I was right about it, I am sickened watching it all unfold. I am counting on being right about the end of September into October as well, and will be happy and excited when it happens. Posted by: Sally on September 14, 2004 07:12 AMAnd Kerry, more than anything in the universe, wants to exercise his power. Posted by: teresa b on September 14, 2004 07:12 AMTeresa, Smirky&Co. are not only misleading them, they are cheneying them big time. I'm just flummoxed that, with so many things being wrong, the Kerry people can't come up with statements that will resonate with the public. And now all those old Clinton people are in there, you know, politics as usual and the Dems should be "Bush Lite" and . . . Enough! Arrgh! Gotta go to dreamland. (BTW, where is Dommael? He used to admonish me to go to my happy place when I'd get all worked up like this.) Posted by: shylurker on September 14, 2004 07:16 AMThanks ever so much, Captain Sally. I'm taking the good ship Shylurker Rant off line now. You're the best. BTW, Sally thank you so much for all the Verdic terminology! That's just so valuable to a novice like me. Posted by: Pat C on September 14, 2004 07:23 AMI think it may be short sighted of Maer (sp?) to suggest that the Republicans would be forced to clean up their mess. Given more time in office I dougt any of us would recognize this country, and it is a strong probability that there would not be elections after that. I do know they hope to disolve the Democratic Party. Not a pretty picture, and there would be no choice. Posted by: Pat C on September 14, 2004 07:28 AMLastly, for now... if you go over to the Kerry website you will discover that he is, in fact, His ace is live performance. Posted by: teresa b on September 14, 2004 07:29 AMPat C...... You're a woman after my own heart, you are. Re: your last post but one. Posted by: Teg on September 14, 2004 07:31 AMGood point, Pat C, about commentators. I think you've outlined a very fair & courteous way to go on commentary. Seein' as how there's precious little courtesy in the US these days, in this corner of the blogger world, we can do something about it. WhaddaHOOT teresa b! I feel the same... must be a moon sq neptune then, too. Posted by: JoannaOregon on September 14, 2004 07:31 AMLast post minus 2 Posted by: Teg on September 14, 2004 07:32 AM
I agree Teresa "live performances are his best shot." Posted by: Sally on September 14, 2004 07:44 AMshylurker, i had taken a vow of silence on this forum until the 19th but you see how i flip-flop. ouida may and guido were to be on montel but kitty kelley tells me that they are together at that lasha 'retreat'. they thought it was like club med but kitty says that they are learning some strange form of yoga together. wonder what that could be? silence............... ps. shylurker, click on my name. it will answer all your questions. Posted by: mike on September 14, 2004 07:48 AMposted on the Kerry blog: 'Though I walk through the Valleys of the Swing States I shall fear no evil." Posted by: teresa b on September 14, 2004 10:03 AMThat little rat bastard Bush is in my home town tonight! Posted by: teresa b on September 14, 2004 10:05 AMWith Bush in town tonight, resting so comfortably at the Marriot, our local talk show host is playing a game. "we have President Bush on the line and he's taking your calls".
WV, Sally, Namaste Posted by: Jo on September 14, 2004 12:43 PMBefore I go try to catch some zzzs, I'd like to say that the biggest crime in Greek mythology was hubris... you know.. excessive pride, false sense of power. If the people in this current administration think they can defy cosmic forces, they are mistaken. Justin says that while we weren't looking they lost the war http://antiwar.com/justin/ Guardian reports on Sy Hersh's new book Chain of Command: Rumsfeld's dirty war on terror In an explosive extract from his new book, Seymour Hersh reveals how, in a fateful decision that led to the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison, the US defence secretary gave the green light to a secret unit authorised to torture terrorist suspects http://www.guardian.co.uk/guantanamo/story/0,13743,1303294,00.html Posted by: Jo on September 14, 2004 02:00 PMMark Shields, nationally known columnist and commentator, is the moderator of CNN's "The Capital Gang." Here's what he has to say about the race. --------- Kerry over? Not. WASHINGTON (Creators Syndicate) When the candidate for whom you're working becomes the favorite to win and leads in the polls, imperfect strangers overnight discover that your own jokes are hilarious and your offhand comments are profound. But when your candidate stumbles and develops the scent of a loser, even other politicians who had once been clamoring to appear on any platform with your guy suddenly remember unbreakable scheduling conflicts, such as a nephew graduating from driving school or an appointment with the family taxidermist. This is by way of saying I have at least some idea about what Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry is now going through. Many of his recently acquired (when the polls were better) "best friends" now disloyally seek out reporters to bad-mouth the latest speech, strategy or hire. Democrats panic. The same press that fulsomely praised the boldness and discipline of your winning primary campaign now find a top-heavy staff rife with internal stress. So I have some advice for Kerry: Take a deep breath. Ignore the polls. Voters care whether their jobs will be there, whether there will be good jobs for their children, whether they will be able to afford health care. Their votes are not influenced by polls. If they were, candidates George McGovern and Barry Goldwater, who both trailed by two-to-one throughout the fall, would not have won two out of five votes each on Election Day. Ronald Reagan's pollster and advisor Dr. Richard Wirthlin once told me that during the 1984 re-election campaign, when the Gipper carried 49 states, his Democratic opponent Walter Mondale had led Reagan on only two nights of polling -- both during the Democratic convention when Geraldine Ferraro was nominated for vice president. Defense rests. Understand your opponents. Von Clausewitz once observed, "War is nothing but the continuation of politics by other means." Under Karl Rove, the Bush-Cheney folks have made politics the continuation of war by other means. The War on Americans' minds in the fall of 2004 is Iraq, not Vietnam. It is irrefutable fact that you bravely volunteered to fight in combat and bravely came come home to oppose what Colin Powell called "a war so poorly conceived, conducted and explained by (the) country's leaders. ... You do not squander courage and lives without clear purpose, without the country's backing and without full commitment." In fact, it could be said that you did everything you could to stop that war so that others, such as George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Tom Delay and John Ashcroft would not have to fight it. Yes, Republican partisans have made much of the fact that while your boat-mates strongly affirm your leadership and courage under fire, one man from your crew strenuously opposes your candidacy. But nobody can be found who ever served with George W. Bush, who even his critics would concede is a colorful and memorable personality not easily forgotten. In politics and life, you can say important things in a very few words -- from Abraham Lincoln's "as I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master," and FDR's "The only thing we have to fear is fear, itself," and Ike's 1952 promise of "I'll go to Korea," to every man or woman's "Will you marry me?" On Iraq, knowing what we now know, the following can be confidently said: "With no Iraqi involvement in 9/11 and with Iraq possessing no chemical, biological or nuclear weapons and constituting no serious threat to the United States or to its own neighbors, there simply never would have been either a House or Senate vote. Invading and occupying Iraq after 9/11 made about as much sense as if after Pearl Harbor, the United States had bombed Brazil. Either negligently or consciously, Mr. Bush led the United States into an unnecessary and unjustified war against Iraq." In baseball and politics, you can only score when you're on offense. Consider this: The Republican Medicare prescription drug bill that Bush proudly signed prohibits the U.S. government from using the purchasing power of 41 million Medicare beneficiaries to negotiate with drug companies to lower the price of drugs, something the Veterans Administration is free to do. One difference: A month's supply of Pravachol ,a popular cholesterol-regulating drug, costs the VA $19.80 -- and at the drug store, a customer would pay $116.75 for the same dosage. Forbidding the public sector to negotiate with the pharmaceutical companies, it is estimated, will mean $139 billion in windfall profits for the drug industry. Voters care much more about the price of prescription drugs for Grams and Gramps than they do about who saw Saigon.
http://www.wvgazette.com/section/Editorials/200409136 Posted by: wv on September 14, 2004 03:04 PMFrom Jeff Hauser: http://seetheforest.blogspot.com/2004_09_01_seetheforest_archive.html#109510272350016808 Remember the Sandy Berger smear? This was the story claiming that President Clinton's National Security Advisor had smuggled incriminating documents out of the National Archives. (Berger was completely cleared.) This was a planned smear - in the works for months - and was used by the Republicans to make the public think that Clinton was responsible for letting the 9/11 attack happen and that "the Democrats" were engaged in a conspiracy to cover up the evidence. Well, along similar lines, and listening to Limbaugh just now, I can see that the Right's "Bush Guard memo forgery" is taking shape. The entire Wurlitzer - the Right's media echo chamber that is able to repeat a lie over and over and over until it is the ONLY story in the news - is cranked up and telling the public that CBS has been caught engaging in a smear against Bush using forged documents. Never mind that the document (one document, no plural 's') in question is legit. According to Limbaugh: One document is said to look like it could have been typed on a modern computer. Therefore ALL such documents are forgeries. Therefore CBS is intentionally working a smear on Bush. Therefore ANY stories about Bush's National Guard service are not to be believed - he served honorably. Therefore this proves that CBS (and by extension, ALL mainstream media) is a tool of the "Liberal Elite" and is working hand-in-hand with the Kerry campaign to smear Bush. Again, by extension, ANY stories ANYWHERE, EVER about Bush doing ANYTHING bad are Liberal lies. This also has all the earmarks of typical right-wing smear tactics. It starts with a small, unproven accusation. The Right's Wurlitzer picks up the accusation and amplifies it until pretty much everything else is deflected out of the news. Soon every story on the subject assumes the truth of the original accusation. As soon as each new accusation is refuted - a refutation never even mentioned in the Right's stories - new accusations emerge, leaving the original accusation and refutations behind. Within days the accusations are escalating so fast that no one can keep up - by the time one accusation is addressed two or three more appear, which creates a fog that is impossible to cut through. The cumulative accusations -- all assumed to be true in the stories put out by the Right media -- become a general attack on "Liberals" or "Democrats" in general. The entire episode "proves" that the public should dismiss ANY story from the "mainstream" press or any authority figure that previously might be thought of as "responsible." And so it goes. Watch your backs! Great article, Nancy. Would you, Sally or any of the other astrologers here comment on what the debates look like astrologically? I believe the first one is scheduled for September 30, just two weeks away. I know this occurs after Saturn finally conjuncts Bush's natal Saturn on September 24, so I wonder if he'll be feeling the full effects of the Saturn return at that point. Also, what does Kerry's chart look like for that evening? Posted by: gbs on September 14, 2004 03:07 PMhttp://salon.com/books/int/2004/09/14/kelley/print.html Don't mess with the Bushes ??Sept. 14, 2004 | After weeks of bracing by the Bush White House, the Category 5 storm has hit: Hurricane Kitty. Bestselling author Kitty Kelley's withering portrait of the Bush dynasty, "The Family," is landing in bookstores on Tuesday -- more than 720,000 copies of it. And the White House is already on high alert. "This book is fiction and deserves to be treated as such," snarled Republican spokeswoman Christine Iverson, as the RNC fired off an anti-Kelley talking-points memo to friendly media assets. The media blowback against Kelley, author of controversial biographies of Nancy Reagan and Frank Sinatra, has already begun. On the Monday morning "Today Show," host Matt Lauer showed how tough an interviewer he can be when not questioning presidents and other potentates, pressing Kelley on who she's going to vote for in November ("Who're you voting for?" Kelley shot back) and the timing of the book's publication, weeks before the November election ("Why not? It's relevant," countered the author, who's been working on the book for four years).
While the Camp David coke party is getting the headlines, Kelley's book is filled with many other tawdry stories about the Bush dynasty. Here is a family that looks "like 'The Donna Reed Show,' and then you see it's 'The Sopranos,'" Kelley tells Salon in the interview below. As Kelley tells it, the dynasty had respectable origins -- in the form of family patriarch Prescott Bush, the distinguished, moderate Republican senator from Connecticut -- but rapidly slid into cynical opportunism, skulduggery, and a mean-spirited sense of entitlement. The first President Bush is presented as a weak yes man, driven not by political vision but a savage preppy spirit of competition instilled in him by his whirlwind of a mother. But it is his wife, Barbara (whom the ex-wife of White House counsel C. Boyden Gray calls "bull-dyke tough"), and their eldest son, George, who are the true pieces of work in Kelley's book, a mother and son team brimming with such spite and ambition they would give the ruthless duo in "The Manchurian Candidate" the shivers. In one of the creepier passages of the book, a family gathering from hell at Kennebunkport, Maine, Barbara is shown mercilessly baiting her dry-drunk son, then governor of Texas, as a teetotaling "Chosen One," while he keeps pleading to skip the cocktails and put on the feed bag, and his elderly father "drools over [TV newswoman] Paula Zahn's legs." One of the major themes in Kelley's book is the family's weakness for liquor and drugs. Alcoholism, she writes, runs deeply in the family and among its victims, according to one Bush family friend, was Prescott, a "major-league alcoholic," who was in the habit of checking himself into his men's club and country club to go on benders. And Kelley writes that George W. Bush is not the only one in the first family who enjoyed illegal substances. While a student at Southern Methodist University in the 1960s, first lady Laura Bush was known "as a go-to girl for dime bags of marijuana." But, as one of W.'s Yalie frat brothers tells Kelley, it's not the substance abuse in Bush's past that's disturbing, it's the "lack of substance ... Georgie, as we called him, had absolutely no intellectual curiosity about anything. He wasn't interested in ideas or in books or causes. He didn't travel; he didn't read the newspapers; he didn't watch the news; he didn't even go to the movies. How anyone got out of Yale without developing some interest in the world besides booze and sports stuns me." New Yorker writer Brendan Gill recalls roaming the Kennebunkport compound one night while staying there looking for a book to read -- the only title he could find was "The Fart Book." More... Posted by: Pat C on September 14, 2004 03:11 PM
....more compassion.... http://www.wvgazette.com/section/Editorials/200409137 Posted by: wv on September 14, 2004 03:17 PMSally, the official debate site at http://www.debates.org has posted this schedule: 1. Coral Gables, FL 2. St. Louis, Missouri 3. Tempe, AZ The site says that all three debates will begin at 9:00 p.m. Eastern. Posted by: gbs on September 14, 2004 03:31 PM Five 9/11 Widows to Endorse Kerry JAMES CARROLL By James Carroll, Globe Columnist | September 14, 2004 THREE HUNDRED fifty years ago, Jews came to America. Beginning today, observances in New York mark the arrival in "New Amsterdam" of 23 Iberian Jews in the year 1654. Noting the milestone in The New York Times last week, Jeremy Eichler celebrated "a tale of the passage from the periphery to the center, from immigrant yearning to mainstream achievement." The Jewish story in America is usually told that way. An alien people comes to an already established national culture, does very well by transforming and inventing aspects of it, from show business and movies to intellectual life and literature. Jews are honored by this story -- their creativity and diligence enable them to "break in" -- and so is America -- the open society where outsiders are welcome. But the most basic assumption of that "tale" is that, by the time Jews arrived, America was an already flowing "mainstream," marked by democracy, freedom, openness. The story as usually told does not credit Jews or the Jewish tradition, that is, with having centrally contributed to the invention of the national idea in the first place. I write from outside the Jewish experience, but what strikes me about that time when Jews first came to "New Amsterdam" is how much the nascent American imagination was preparing to draw on the vital culture of the rabbis, going back centuries. The incubator for the new idea at that moment was, in fact, old Amsterdam, in Holland, where the great foreshadowing of what came to be called liberal democracy was embodied in a Jew. Benedict Spinoza (1632-77) was a bridge figure between the religious tradition of Rabbinic Judaism and the philosophy of the Enlightenment. In his political writings, one sees, for example, the clear influence of Lurianic Kabbalah, an established Jewish spirituality. It is a small step from the idea that "emanations" of God inhabit the souls of all humans, to the idea that each person, taken individually, is as worthy as every other. That idea is the kernel of democracy. Political tolerance -- what we would call pluralism -- is rooted in this positive attribute. But Spinoza also saw up close the dark effects of the religious wars then wracking Europe, and so there was a negative source to his call for political tolerance as well. Spinoza was himself expelled from the Synagogue (1656), investigated by the Catholic Inquisition (1659), and banned by the Calvinist Synod (1670). This experience of omnidirectional religious intolerance underwrote his two-fold new idea -- that the state's first obligation is to protect the freedom of conscience of each citizen; to do so the state must not itself be religiously identified. The separation of church and state begins here. Spinoza is famous for proposing that all things be seen "sub specie aeternitatis," from the point of view of eternity. Nothing bound by time is absolute, which means no human institution is above criticism. Spinoza's political writing, especially his "Theologico-Political Treatise," imagines, therefore, social structures organized to support mutually critical give-and-take. Here is the seed of a constitutional polity, based on checks and balances. Spinoza did not exempt even the institutions of religion from this spirit of criticism -- which is why he was as suspect in his own Jewish community as he was denounced by Protestants and Catholics. To some, Spinoza was an irreverent atheist, to others, a mindless pantheist, seeing God everywhere. The point for us is that his fundamental (and, as this Christian sees it, fundamentally Jewish) idea that human beings participate in the divine, but are not themselves divine (Only God is God), spawns a political ideal of human rights, on one hand, and of limited government on the other. Amsterdam in Spinoza's day was alive with intellectual and political ferment: Dutch Calvinists struggling with republicanism, "Puritan" nonconformists in flight from England, scarred veterans of religious wars, merchants and explorers looking west. John Locke, for one, would be immersed in these revolutionary currents, bringing their articulation to a next level, the place at which the American idea first becomes conscious of itself. But the author of what might be called the first draft of that idea, drawing on the positive riches of his own tradition, as well as reacting to the intolerance of which his people knew more than anyone, was Benedict Spinoza. When 23 Jews arrived in New Amsterdam in September of 1654, he was 22 years old. They and he together were just beginning, as was the great nation they then helped invent. James Carroll's column appears regularly in the Globe. His most recent book is "Crusade: Chronicles of an Unjust War." Thanks Dave. I went back to see where Pluto was in 1654, and there you go, it was in Gemini. Makes sense, doesn't it? Posted by: Shade on September 14, 2004 04:11 PMThere is a truly terrifying thread going on over at DU right now. The title is "Scoop; Draft Alert" and has to do with decisions already made re: reinstating the draft. The issue paper was obtained from the Freedom of Information Act. But this is a draft as we have never known for it is not just the combat draft that used to involve young men. This draft would include all men and women 18-34. Yes it includes a combat draft but it also includes a service draft where young men and women would become a labor pool to be used at the whim of the government. A huge data base would be assembled and every bit of information about ort young would be included. They would be required, under law, to report all and any skills, great or small, that could be used as a pretext for government service. The implications are overwhelming. It is also stated in the thread that *ush's October surprise could be attacking Iran. I urge you all, go to DU, read the info and then spread the word, especially to college kids. The link is below. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2349661 Posted by: M. on September 14, 2004 04:26 PMthanks GBS for the dates and time, I am on my way out and will take a look later on. If Morgana has put up a new article I will still answer on this thread. But a quick look doesn't change my mind that the debates (if they have them and Bush doesn't weezle out which he is trying to do) favor Kerry Posted by: Sally on September 14, 2004 04:27 PMDear Nancy, I really hope that Kerry's time of birth is 8:03 and I don't. Transiting Jupiter conjuncts that times Mc on Oct 21. Also, Jupiter will // the Mc on Nov 3. This is success as far as I am concerned. My only worry, as I have stated here earlier this year, is the transiting midpoint Mars/Neptune will conjunct Kerry's Sun degree election night. Will Neptune conj Mc natal have Kerry capitulate too early as Carter did in 1980? Thanks, Sally, for your kind comments re transiting Saturn conj my natal Pluto opp natal Moon. I looked to see when this happened last, and it was Aug. 1975--that was when I started every morning feeding the puppies that we thought our dog had been too young to have, visited my mother-in-law to do the bandage changing required by recent surgery and to make her breakfast and lunch, drove to the north part of town to leave my daughter off at day care, and then took the interstate south for 45 miles to start work. After work the whole thing reversed. (Pluto in Cancer in the 3rd, Moon in Cap in the 9th.) Meanwhile, the city was sending me letters demanding that my old house, which I had bought one year previously, be completely restored and repaired at once--although they hadn't bothered the previous owner while he let it decay for a decade. Heigh ho! It wasn't a whole lot of fun but it wasn't the worst time of my life by any means. I am wondering if summer 1975 was when McCain was in prison camp. Posted by: Barbara on September 14, 2004 04:40 PMI just heard a new commercial is being released again criticizing BUSHY's phony National Service. Also a group of military families is releasing a commercial attacking his Iraq mess. And another group (texans for truth maybe? are offering a reward to anyone who can come forward and offer proof that they served with SHRUB while he was supposedly in Alabama. So maybe now that September is half way gone, the astrological tables are beginning to turn after all.... http://astrotimes.blogspot.com/ Posted by: Lawrence the LEO on September 14, 2004 04:40 PMLast night late at night while I was working on this big project I am working on, I was listening to PBS station from San Jose, (can't watch tv, I have to just listen while working) and it was a Frontline hosted by Bill Moyers....on the past history of terrorists attacks starting with the Jimmy Carter years ....they interviewed Caspar Weinberger (it is hard for me to get the picture of him as a younger man having his daughter's friends over to the house for a birthday party....weird), Bob Woodward, several generals, the pilot of the plane hijacked for 17 days, George Shultz...and it seems to me that it was the infighting between the cautious Weinberger and the intemperate and pro war Shultz that caused the lack of response during the Reagan administration which set up the terrorists total confidence in these kind of attacks. Reagan was absolutely obcessed with terrorists....but everything they (Powell was in the mix too) came up with was too "weak"....it sent a message that the USA was weak and not powerful. It seemed to me while watching this that it is the Republican administrations of the past which have caused the current terrorists regimes to prosper, not democrats....and all those terrorists attacks starting 25 years ago knocked out all of the intelligence operations in the region, and they never were replaced....which gave rise to the CIA black ops operations under William Casey. THis is the chickens coming home to roost, as Malcom X used to say. So GWB*sh apparently went in and did exactly what the Weinberger/Scowcroft group said not to do....but he WAS decisive....just not intelligent. And the same people in the earlier events are now the major players.... I also heard a B*sh speech on Lehr hour.....there is definitely something wrong with that man....as the Yalies said, there is something wrong with a man who goes thru Yale and comes out only interested in booze and drugs....well, there is something wrong with him ....listen to his voice and the tone....this guy is overwhelmed, lying, and his schtick is not working....those health aspects, Sally? Posted by: judi on September 14, 2004 05:00 PMWell well, went to vote in the WA primary this morning and had to declare my party before I could vote. [Supposidly that doesn't happen in November election.] Then the machine wouldn't take anyone's form and we had to seal them into an offical envelope where I kept the tab. The workers there said that someone would come and fix the scanner. In the last 4 years it never had any problems grabbing the card and keeping it. Guess I'm paranoid that the democrates' cards will get forgotten, lost, damaged etc before they are counted. [My town is very progressive so I find it all very suspecious.] Posted by: Jill G on September 14, 2004 05:47 PMNancy, sorry - wow, these posts fill up fast! I will try to find the source of the 7:10 birth time and will post it. SuzieLiberal, I am so down with not wanting to be in the company of Republicans, even in my own family. The ignorance is just too overwhelmingly frustrating. Not to mention the denial and all that predictable "triangulating." Pathetic. The facts stand, and they just can't deal with it. It's sickening. I'm making "other plans" for the holidays. Not up for the annual "forced intimacy" with people I would otherwise not even talk to. Kerry will steamroll the ChimpBoy in October and the truth WILL come out and we WILL prevail. No more doubts! I just worry for Kerry that these unbelievable reptiles will pull out all the stops when he's elected and he will have a rough time. Bullies are so sad. Hi all from the unfriendly confines of southern Utah! Mark/Utah Posted by: mark on September 14, 2004 06:29 PM
Marjorie Orr is also using the 8:03 birthtime for Kerry but she doesn't give a source. Posted by: Teresa on September 14, 2004 07:17 PMWhen George Meets John.... http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200407/fallows Posted by: wv on September 14, 2004 07:29 PMM, They won't see it on any college campus & they will be the first to be drafted!!!! of course some of them might welcome getting out of the community & having a Steady ( if low pay job)! It is going to be a BIG FALL in FALL for the cons. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ----Aristotle Posted by: on September 14, 2004 07:44 PMThe news can and will be manipulated, but if someone is out of a job and can't get another one it doesn't matter how many charts and graphs you show him/her. Posted by: Barbara on September 14, 2004 08:19 PMThat's a very good point Barbara makes. And in stump speech after stump speech, Kerry is speaking directly with and to these people. Many of whom, I'm assuming, are not seeing Bush speak live due to their understandable reluctance to sign that Promise Pledge thing. These people need jobs and not promises, and that's all Bush has been willing to give them these past four years. The economy "turning the corner" doesn't get the bills paid or food on the table. Posted by: Jonathan on September 14, 2004 08:39 PMOr is that "food on your family"? :-) Posted by: Jonathan on September 14, 2004 08:40 PM
Blitzer wants to know if Porter Goss should be confirmed as head of the CIA. Go vote: http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/wolf.blitzer.reports/ Posted by: shylurker on September 14, 2004 08:50 PMTo whoever posted the Aristotle quote: Thank you. It's lovely. Posted by: Teg on September 14, 2004 09:21 PMFascinating and eerie article up on BuzzFlash by Maureen Farrell called "Can It Happen Here?" that compares the fictional fascist America circa 1935 in Sinclair Lewis's book "It Can't Happen Here" to America today. http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/04/09/far04030.html The parallels are creepy. Posted by: Susan on September 14, 2004 09:41 PMPat - Thank you so much. I am urging everyone to get the news of this out there. I have already sent it to media people like Joe Conason. I don't think even the pugs will get behind this "no exceptions" doucment. Posted by: M. on September 14, 2004 09:44 PMBarbara, To answer your query about 1975 and John McCain, he was released early 1973 after being held POW for 5 1/2 years... (mid 1967 - early 1973?) Posted by: Jo on September 14, 2004 10:01 PM
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http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091504W.shtml Posted by: wv on September 14, 2004 11:07 PM
http://biz.yahoo.com/ibd/040913/feature_1.html Posted by: wv on September 14, 2004 11:20 PMThanks, Jo. I read on an earlier thread that McCain had natal Moon opp natal Pluto and was just wondering how that impacted his imprisonment dates. I've been checking out past returns and found out that for me at least, transiting Saturn conj natal Pluto is nothing compared to a Saturn return. My natal Saturn is conj natal Mars (oh boy). At my first Saturn return age 29, I was widowed, moved to a new home, totally new life, etc. At second return I again lost a residence, moved, started totally new life. I'm thinking that was probably the last one. At the every 2 or so year Mars transits I am now very careful not to drive, etc. for the week or few days they are in force. (Finally learning from experience.) Posted by: Barbara on September 14, 2004 11:25 PM Edwards on ticket has US Corporations seeing The Psycho State- by Ron Paul http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul203.html Posted by: wv on September 14, 2004 11:41 PMThank you for the Mareen Farrel article, Susan All I can say is "Yikes!" I don't feel at all well. Posted by: Teg on September 14, 2004 11:43 PMMy natal Saturn is in Libra in the 10th house. My first Saturn return was wonderful, I managed to get a very sought-after job with the new (at the time) Hartsfield Intl Airport as a computer supervisor and was on call 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and the money (at the time) kept my family very nicely (I had 7 children - four of them step-children). Now, at 53, I'm thinking my next Saturn return will be just as nice. Saturn, actually, has been extremely kind to me. Saturn is exalted in Libra and happy in the 10th house. Bush's Saturn is in the 12th and in Cancer. Not good. Not good in Cancer, not good in 12th. His first Saturn return was NOT a good time for him, nor will this one be. Think about it. This one will hit him like a ton of bricks. Kerry will win this election. Posted by: Laurie on September 14, 2004 11:47 PMLaurie, Jo, for the time being, here's a link, I will try to find more in the next few days . . . http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/FeedbackPRT.asp?ChartID=35731 Posted by: Laurie on September 15, 2004 01:09 AMLUCY what a laugh you gave me "making playdough bunnies in the corner." That was delicious. Vedic and Western astrology are different in as much as they use whole sign astrology. In the 8:03 chart Kerry's Sag. asc becomes Scorpio as well as the 7:10 time. They wouldn't do transits in the same way we do them, so I think they are probably looking at the Dasa/Bhukti (the period and sub-period) which does depend on birth time. And I expect that's why they rectified his chart. However within the dasa/bhukti periods there are further refinements of a period that not all vedic astrologers use, but would explain a bad few weeks within a good period or the converse would be true. That's why I am sticking with Lois Rodden, her credibility is far higher with me than someone's rectified chart. Have I just completely confused. Posted by: Sally on September 15, 2004 01:28 AMJo, another one . . . http://www.california.com/~eameece/election2004.htm Posted by: Laurie on September 15, 2004 01:45 AMBill Marshall - That is very good news about the // of Jupiter to Kerry's MC on November 3!! I used to use parallels all the time. I even wrote an article on them back in circa 1975. But my current ephemeris (Michelson) and the sites I use don't give the declination information. Would you be so kind as to let me know if there are any other //s or contra//s in either Kerry's or Bush's natal charts for the election and for the Inauguration? Many thanks!! Posted by: Nancy on September 15, 2004 01:49 AMI need to be enlightened....what are parallels and contraparallels and how do they work? Posted by: Teresa on September 15, 2004 01:52 AMoh, c'mon, NOBODY thought the joke about the kittens was funny?!? Mark/Utah - I had the same thought about Kerry losing and we riot instead of the bushies. You could read that last month of Mars Pluto either way. I just didn't have the heart to put it into my article. It is also possible that they continue counting absentee ballots for a few days after the election before a winner is declared, basically until Uranus goes direct around the 10th. But Bushie gets no break from Saturn throughout, so we should be OK. Posted by: Nancy on September 15, 2004 02:30 AMDOOM OF EXILES Now we, returning from the vaulted dome Green alleys where we reveled have become Backward we traveled to reclaim the day ...Sylvia Plath Posted by: old granny on September 15, 2004 02:48 AMThe joke about the kitten was absolutely great...I have already passed it along to everyone I know. Thanks Posted by: on September 15, 2004 02:50 AMTeresa - The degrees for the zodiac that we normally use are based on longitude (movement east to west on the ecliptic). The declination positions are a measurement of the planets latitude, how far north or south of the ecliptic they go. Essentially, they can only go up to 23 degrees north or south latitude. If two planets are in the same latitude, they are said to be parallel. If one is in, for instance, 10 north latitude and the other is 10 south latitiude, they are said to be contraparallel. The parallel is supposed to be like a conjunction and the contraparallel like an opposition. I don't think they are as strong as those aspects, but are similar in nature. You never give more than a one degree orb for these aspects, if that. Posted by: Nancy on September 15, 2004 02:55 AMThank you , granny. I'd forgotten how wonderful Plath was. I'll go dig out one of her books forthwith. Welcome back, dear Dommael. Missed you! And I did laugh over the kitties! Posted by: Teg on September 15, 2004 02:55 AMThe learning potential on this sight is awesome. From Nancy explaining longitudes to Sally explaining vedic terminologies and all the other wonderful astrologers in between enlightening us about politics, but in the end, schooling us in astrology. Posted by: Janet on September 15, 2004 03:18 AMThanks, Nancy. And the kitty joke was funny! Posted by: Teresa on September 15, 2004 03:19 AMwv..........
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OH MY GOD/ESS I'm BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I found the way to get back on astroworld. It's a new moon and I"m thrilled. Posted by: bhakti on September 15, 2004 04:04 AMWelcome back, bhakti!!!! We missed you! Posted by: Nancy on September 15, 2004 04:24 AM***********WELCOME BACK BHAKTI*********** Posted by: mike on September 15, 2004 05:01 AMHas anyone heard of an astrologer named Jacob Schwartz? He works a lot with asteroids and claims to have predicted the exact outcome of the 2000 election--Gore winning the popular vote but Bush "winning" the electoral college vote. This article is on his web site (but who knows when it was actually placed there) Can anyone vouch for this guy's authenticity? He hasn't yet posted any predictions about the 2004 election yet but I just attended a lecture of his about that here in NYC... Here is his site: (I'm jealous of the domain name he has!): Posted by: Lawrence the LEO on September 15, 2004 05:21 AMOOPS he does make a call on this year's election and it greatly differs with the vast majority of other astrologers I've been researching...BUSH WINS!!! EEEEEK!!!! I don't think I buy it though-- The nation is more divided than ever, and another deadlocked election is my call with the incumbent victorious after another (almost) bloodless coup. The issues are more ubiquitous than the clearly defined issues of the 1861-65 War. The divisions now are based upon perceptions and awareness of facts. Compare SAT Verbal scores and high school graduate percentages for States voting for the candidates in 2000 (source: World Almanac 2004). Significant differences prevail with higher percentages and scores for the States voting for Gore. This divide has widened since 2000! Wasn't massive Iraqi oil exports supposed to pay for the war? Mammoth flags outside import merchants only mocks the disconnect between producers and consumers! With no increased production jobs, dollars are devalued.
This year Busch and Washingtonia are both in Libra, Busch is at 24 Libra conjuncting GWB's 4th House Cusp and conjunct the Election Chart Mars, and in orb of a square to GWB's Saturn. Washingtonia is 9 degrees behind the Busch Asteroid at 15 Libra, conjunct Mr. Bush's Moon and square his Sun. The placement of these two asteroids are not nearly as beneficial as the 2000 chart. The other thing to remember is there are literally thousands of Asteroids and all of them would need to be checked. Posted by: Sally on September 15, 2004 06:06 AM
We love you, Sally! Thanks so much for your last post. Now I won't have another sleepless night. It's very reassuring to have you to clarify assertions of various astrologers. I studied astrology, but ultimately gave up because of the apparent (to me) impossibility of accurately covering all possible relevant aspects, and then assigning the appropriate possibility (or ranking) to each. And then putting them back together into a coherent and true whole. Kind of an infinite problem in multiple regression analysis. In real life, I've met 2 good astrologers...very good in fact....but I'm convinced they were terrific psychics as well, and I think that was a large part of why they were so good. Posted by: Teg on September 15, 2004 07:24 AM
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Posted by: Carol on September 15, 2004 02:56 PMI've often speculated that George is really living out his fathers's ambitions. He never lived his life in a way that suggested that he had a strong interest in politics or much of anything else besides sports. When daddy George got beaten by Clinton, daddy's bitterness and George's need to avenge the family honor led to that 2000 run. I remember that when George was badly beaten by John McCain in the New Hampshire primaries, he threatened to go back to Texas because he missed his pillow. And when he was sworn in and a few weeks later, he threatened once again to go back to Texas because he hated the job. It wasn't until 9/11 that he felt that he had any reason to be President-and that was to get revenge on Saddam Hussein for trying to kill his father. Notice how little he works, how he never consults his father, how his father never spoke at the Convention. That's a sign of disengagement at the very least. 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