I love that the repugs chose a merc retrograde to stage there snake oil show, with the big snake himself reportedly giving his acceptance speech as Mercury goes staionary. May confusion reign as they try to communicae to the American people. I wouldn't be surprised by Cheney's departure, I have been suspicious of why McCain, a fairly outspoken critic of the shrub is sudddenly at side hugging him, (gag), etc. It sure feels like McCain has been promised soemthing big, and not just in 3008 when he could run on his own anyway. No doubts thee repugs feel making hin the vp candidte would answer Kerry's war record. Can anyone comment on Cheney's chart? This will indeed be a hot summer Morganan, thanks for the article!
Astro Am

Wow Morgana thank you so much for the enlightening article!! Summer in the City is a perfect name. Emotions will be running mighty high methinks. I wonder if there will be a huge surprise (Cheney resigning?). We shall see. Somehow I doubt it.

For those following the polls, as of now Kerry wins in every one:

Dales Electoral College Breakdown
http://www.dalythoughts.com/ecb.htm

Election Projection 2004 http://www.electionprojection.com/elections2004.html

Electoral Vote.com
http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Federal Review
http://www.federalreview.com/compositepoll.htm

Electoral Expectations for 2004
http://www.spacerad.com/electoral/

Prof. Sam Wang
http://synapse.princeton.edu/~sam/pollcalc.html

Race 2004
http://www.race2004.net/

Morgana says, "It's the people who will bring about change." Everyone, please watch the latest Move-On ad at

http://www.moveonpac.org/10weeks/

Benny's Boom Everybody

It is powerful, electrifying.

Ahhh Morgana... how very luvvvvvy to 'see' your visions again... thank you so much for the article and the reminder of the music of long ago. We must remember to send light to all of the protestors... may their anger be heard 'round the world for they speak for many. Particularly like

"Venus conjunct Saturn here will manifest all the bitterness, anger, frustration of the People for the media to feed upon and the whole world to witness."

Soooo good to have you back. Namaste

Oh, Morgana! Another scintillating article. It just rocks with imagery, so very vivid.

"Venus conjunct Saturn here will manifest all the bitterness, anger, frustration of the People for the media to feed upon and the whole world to witness."

Yes!

Many, many thanks!

Mz Shylurker,
are we 'twins' are what? Great minds...?

What a full moon! and what an article rich in imagry! I am sending violet light to all those who are demonstrating (they speak for me...I hope) in New York and also to the police. I am visualizing a powerful, peacful time for each of them. May all the subconcious thoughts of democracy be made concious and the thugs made small.

May Bushies raised stage be his exit ramp all the way back to Texas.

So be it.

Thank you Morgana for once again singing your Morgana music.

Story you might find interesting. As many of you know, I live in Manhattan, in the Village to be exact. And Thursday, while taking the pooch for her neighborhood jaunt, we ended up on 6th Avenue by West 3rd Street and noticed what appeared to be a huge commotion. Getting closer, I realized one of those big red double-decker tourist buses was stopped in the middle of Sixth Avenue and the driver was outside yelling at somebody on the upper outside deck. Moving to the other side, I saw that a group of obviously pro-Bush people had, while doing the tourist bus thing through NYC, unfurled a Bush/Cheney 4 More Years sign down the side of the bus! Well, the Driver was having none of that. Stopped the bus, got out and was givin' them a real whatfor! What's interesting is how the neighborhood "ganged up" verbally on these people. People of all ages and races came streaming out of the McDonald's and the other Sixth Avenue shops and were Booing the Bush supporters who had tried to turn THEIR NYC tourist bus into a campaign tool. Older ladies, young kids, teenagers, store owners ... all booing these now poor hapless group of Bush people STUPID enough to do something that bold! Not to mention the cars stuck in traffic and the passengers putting their two cents in PLUS the honking horns. Needless to say, the sign came up and the group sulked in their seats as the bus drove away, absolutely HATING this horribly rude NYC, I'm sure.

Talk about a Full Moon and the People speaking! Puppy and I decided at that time it was a good idea to head for home ... and quick! She's really not comfortable around these 'publicans. :-)

Just heard Bush will leave immediately rather than spend the night in New York wich is tratidional. No surprise there.

I also just heard Judy Woodlips saying Bush is up 20 points. Yikes! How can that be possible?

Wow, looks like the people of New York have their own bull horn and the rethugs "hear them". Love it!

BTW, good dog!

Morgana,
The 29th of August (there's that number 29! 2+9 = 11) --- Sun at 6 degrees Virgo, rounded up to 7 for Sabian Symbol ---

*** VIRGO 7 ***

A HAREM.

There may be a feeling of being dominated, but being part of a group where you must compete for whatever small benefits may be available. There is a need to use your charm and appealing aspects of your nature to succeed. Rising above jealousy, arrogance and passion. Waiting to be bestowed with the gift of being `chosen'. If negative - believing in the right to dominate those in less powerful social circumstances OR not giving oneself a sense of importance in the situation."

Well, seesta crone Joanna, there's some symbolism to think about!

Jonathan, that story is even better than the one about the time, as a little boy, you donned a cape, ascended the tree stump in the backyard and tried to summon a storm. Wunnerful. Wunnerful.

Do you mind if I share it with three or four friends?

blog news on the bicycle race in NYC yesterday:

"After a circuitous route that looped up into midtown, things got a little ugly at 7th and 35th, when the riders tried to take the route past Madison Square Garden and the cops, pretty much helpful and friendly up until then, were supplemented with some of those special, aggro, new world order units in their stylish gear and chaos broke out. Some of the crew was past that intersection, already en route back downtown, and those behind re-grouped with them at St. Mark's Church, only to hit a snag at 2nd & 9th, about thirty yards from where I'm staying. I don't know it got started, but it was turning ugly right when I showed up. The theory on "the street" is that when the cops saw 2,000 cyclists jamming the east village traffic they just decided to shut it down. The choppers are still overhead, the crowd is still chanting LET THEM GO, and the new world order patrol is still not letting this one poor asian kid on a date go into the Starbucks to get his lady friend a g*#%&^ scone."

http://laweekly.blogs.com/joshuah_bearman/2004/08/critical_massiv.html

Thank you, Morgana! Rich and wonderful, as always.

Jonathan, thanks so much for the vivid report of that bus incident. I'm sending it on to my buddies who used to live in NYC, BTW, I read that the City decided one of the main protest places (pens?) would be near the Village. Is that right?

shylurker,

share, share away.

Pat C, I DO have a GREAT dog! Amazing judge of character, honest, sweet as pie (whatever that means ... I'm assuming it means she's really, really sweet), 7 years old (don't tell her I told you!), but surprisingly looks like a Puppy. Born in Kansas on August 13, 1997 and is a total Leo. From Kansas to Manhattan by 12 weeks old and now vacations in Paris! And acts as if it's completely natural for her to be living this pampered, privileged life in glamorous, exciting NYC. :-) Truly a Dog's Life.

Dreamt the other night that I was flying over my neighborhood and everything was burned and reduced to rubble. It looked really bad, but I knew it wasn't true. That it just felt that way. Then I got excited about the fact that I was flying and forgot to look down again. Oh well. Not an expert on dream interpretation. I'm more into palmistry, tarot and (slowly but surely) astrology.

Just read Shylurkers post and she politely asked Jonathan about forwarding his story.

Opps! Sorry, Jonathan. May I?

Barbara,

I haven't heard anything about a Pen for the Protesters being in the Village, but, then again, the Village is kind of a big place. Maybe it's on the West Side over by the water? Hmmmm ...

Re: Cheney resigning during the Convention and them choosing a new VP Candidate. How smart would that be to do on a Merc RX with Pluto moving out of a Station and into moving Direct? Could these astrological factors influence those decisions made by the 'publicans regarding their VP?

Go ahead, Barbara. :-)

Juan Cole has comments this a.m. on the CBS piece on spy in the Pentagon --- calls it much too narrow:

"Saturday, August 28, 2004
Israeli Spy in Pentagon Linked to AIPAC

CBS is reporting that a Defense Intelligence Agency analyst detailed to Undersecretary of Defense for Planning Douglas Feith's Office of Special Plans is under FBI investigation for spying for Israel. The person passed to the American Israel Political Action Committee confidential documents, including those detailing Bush administration policy toward Iran, and AIPAC then passed them to Israel. There are wiretaps and photographs backing up the FBI case (the FBI agents involved are extremely brave to take this on).

But this espionage case is too narrow. Consider what journalist Jim Lobe wrote about Feith's Office of Special Plans and the Pentagon Near East and South Asia office:

' key personnel who worked in both NESA and OSP were part of a broader network of neo-conservative ideologues and activists who worked with other Bush political appointees scattered around the national-security bureaucracy to move the country to war, according to retired Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, who was assigned to NESA from May 2002 through February 2003. The heads of NESA and OSP were Deputy Undersecretary William Luti and Abram Shulsky, respectively. Other appointees who worked with them in both offices included Michael Rubin, a Middle East specialist previously with the neo-conservative American Enterprise Institute (AEI); David Schenker, previously with the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP); and Michael Makovsky; an expert on neo-con icon Winston Churchill and the younger brother of David Makovsky, a senior WINEP fellow and former executive editor of pro-Likud Jerusalem Post. Along with Feith, all of the political appointees have in common a close identification with the views of the right-wing Likud Party in Israel. '

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Cole goes on in a lengthy piece to give more info. It's well worth the read ---

http://juancole.com

He posts alot during the day, so if you're reading this later you may have to scroll down to find --- it's the 6:52:24 a.m. post on 8/28/04

Here's the last paragraph which is worth a read:

"If I had been in power on September 11, I'd have called up Sharon and told him he was just going to have to withdraw to 1967 borders, ore face the full fury of the United States. Israel would be much better off inside those borders, anyway. It can't absorb 3 million Palestinians and retain its character, and it can't continue to hold 3 million Palestinians as stateless hostages without making itself inhumane and therefore un-Jewish. And then I'd have thrown everything the US had at al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, and frog-marched Bin Laden off to justice, and rebuilt Afghanistan to ensure that al-Qaeda was permanently denied a base there. Iraq, well, Iraq was contained."

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Amen, Juan Cole, amen...

Namaste

Great article as I remember the song when it was played on WABC back in the sixties. However, my job is taking me to 47th st on Monday on the west side and I am bringing my camera to record any strange sights. Into the valley of death rode poor little me. Starman

More on the rumour floating about that Cheney may be off the ticket: perhaps the Bushies realize the Plame affair is heating up and, with all fingers pointing to Cheney and those in his Office, with Cheney gone they're hoping it'll become a non-issue? Much like Halliburton would become a non-issue? But how will the Evangelical Christian supporters of Bush handle John McCain (who they really don't like)?

Hard for me to imagine Cheney allowing himself to get booted off the ticket.

Dogs are true spirits, and true friends, and when they are also intuitive and smart, well, there is only greatness! Don't be fooled Jonathan, she knows she is fortunate, and loves you so much more for it. All dog minds are joined too. She knows.

I had a few flying dreams over time too, and I have made the same mistake! I got excited that I was flying or bing in another space, and lost focus from the realization of it. DUH! I now do all I can to be like a block of wood, and just be there, but hey, it's a challenge!

I am now visualizing the Village encompassed only in violet fire of protection and it's highest good. So be it.

Jo, Juan Cole is wonderful!!

Ok Bill, you are now in the visualization too! So be it.

Here is New York Times version of the arrests.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Convention-Protests-Bikers.html

NYC Police Arrest 250 in Bicycle Protest

In the first major clash between police and demonstrators converging for the Republican National Convention, more than 250 bicyclists were arrested during a protest ride that snaked through the city and passed by Madison Square Garden.

Bikers chanted anti-Bush slogans, stifled traffic and, in some places, argued with motorists during the Friday night ride, which began at Union Square and drew thousands of cyclists.

Deputy Police Commissioner Paul Browne said the bikers had caused ``massive disruptions'' and endangered motorists. Participants said their ride was peaceful and that the arrests were an excessive show of force.

Police had passed out leaflets to the riders warning them not to ride more than two abreast, and many of them ignored that warning, Browne said. Among the protesters arrested was one who allegedly threw a beer can at an officer, he said. The officer was uninjured.

``We gave them every opportunity to comply with the law,'' Browne said. ``Those who didn't were arrested.''

A total of 264 people were arrested as of early Saturday, according to Sgt. Michael Wysokowski, a police department spokesman.

The protest began as a monthly Critical Mass bike ride, but what was usually a crowd of hundreds swelled to thousands, with organizers saying the excursion drew a horde of bikers who wanted to protest the convention.

Bill Dobbs, of the antiwar group United for Peace and Justice, said the monthly Critical Mass ride ``has provided joy to bicyclists and bystanders for years now.''

``The arrests are completely unnecessary,'' Dobbs said. ``Police needlessly escalated tension. Let us hope that they are more restrained as we go into the convention period.''

While the Friday night event was the largest so far, it followed a day of demonstrations.

More...

I'm off to do some work. Be well!

One more....

from cnn:
Sources: 2 arrested in alleged N.Y. bomb plot
From Jamie McShane and Deborah Feyerick
Saturday, August 28, 2004 Posted: 11:08 AM EDT (1508 GMT)

(CNN) -- Two Brooklyn men were arrested Friday in connection with an alleged plot to blow up a New York City subway station in Midtown Manhattan Square, law enforcement sources told CNN.

An informant for the New York Police Department tipped police to the plans to blow up the station in Herald Square, the sources said.

There is no indication that the two obtained any explosives and no apparent connection between the alleged plot and the Republican National Convention, the sources said.

HUH!!!!

You know, Pat C.,
They just make up their story as they go... what the hey, the media is in their pocket anyway, right? Scare the protestors... put fear in the delegates... show America the protestors are terrorists... boogey man in the closet, children. You better behave and vote for Bush/Cheney (still think Cheney is going nowhere... just hype to get folks to watch their entertainment show)...

Starman, so glad you'll have a camera with you. Everybody up there--carry your camera and your cell phone. Or just your phone if you know how to take pictures with it. (I'm pretty sure I would never learn how to take a picture with my cell phone.)

Re Cheney--I figure the whole world is divided into 2 parts for the Bushs--family and servers. I think Cheney is in the family category. (Rove is a server and though he may not realize it, expendable).

The temperature would have to be pretty hot for Cheney to be bounced. Tho, of course, they would guarantee him a soft landing somewhere.

the Plame affair is heating up
Posted by: Jonathan

What is the latest news regarding the Plame incident? (I'll also take a gander through Google after I sign off here.) I'm just finishing Joe Wilson's book and I feel like many of the things he writes of really must be addressed.

Re Cheney:

they would guarantee him a soft landing somewhere.
Posted by: Barbara

I suppose it would have to be in an undisclosed location...

I took a look at McCain's chart yesterday and last night. Have yet to do any composites with him...Can sure see, though, that he is getting a lot of planetary tension. Maybe that's why he's the hot commodity...too bad for him, in a way. I know I got the impression from one Charlie Rose program, that McCain has learned about "how to win elections" as he stated. He also seemed to be unwavering in his stand with the Republican party...regardless.

I only hope that there are NOT any new developments along these lines. Seeing George Bush kiss John McCain even once was enough to last me for a lifetime.

old granny

Fantastic article. . . .A great Saturday morning cup of enjoyment

To the rumour of a McCain replace Cheney surprise----Dick Cheney is not going anywhere unless his health makes departure from office mandatory. Cheney is exactly where he has always wanted to be: in a position of incredible power and influence, but without accountability. He is the Cheshire Cat of Republican politics -- morphing out of the picture when it is necessary to obscure his influence and then reappearing to close the deal or hammer the nail. Cheney combines a superior intellect with an instinct for the jugular and a talent for shape shifting not seen since Henry Kissinger.

spy named...

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/printer_082904Y.shtml

....75 psychics say Bush will win...

http://www.crystalinks.com/elliesworld.html

The Bush Betrayal - Chapter 1

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/bovard2.html

... the mysterious body count in Florida....

http://www.rense.com/general56/charele.htm

wv,

I went to Ellie's site and read her comment in its entirety about the prediction. It's kind of funny when you think about polling "psychics" since polling is supposed to be a statistical, scientific process. Yet, even in these cases, rules should be applied. I am not an expert in polling, but I do have a degree in Communications. I don't know if Ellie is applying any rules here but I think the basics would be: 1)the pool should be composed of those with a credible track record, 2) the selection should be a random sample, and 3) the pool should be large enough (I think one of the standards is 500, or as close to that as possible).

Therefore, on this basis, I thoroughly reject Ellie's poll!!!!

Did someone ask for a Meditation Circle???

http://www.michaelmandeville.com/quest/initiations/matrix.htm

wv and Sharon, where is the prediction from polling psychics on that site? I've tried twice to find it.

Just call me daft lol . . . .

wv, I donno.

I think everybody is psychic sometime. (Even I have a prophetic dream every 25 years or so--and a hunch that works out now and then.) And some psychics are more talented than others--like Mozart compared to those of us who can just whistle a tune. But my theory is that nobody, nobody can turn it on and off like a faucet. That is, certainly nobody in our culture. (Maybe in another culture with a more intuitive language and cultural support system.) So I'm not too concerned about the majority of the 75 psychics.

It is very interesting to go into a used book store and scan the book of some popular psychic whose last chapter contains prophecies of "coming events" that are now in the past. The batting average is not good. Again, this is not to say that psychics are fake. Some are incredibly accurate/talented (like the late Eileen Garrett.)

The first of July I this year had to spend two hours in a waiting room where there were only 6-month or more old news magazines to read (Times, Newsweek, US News and World Report). It was striking how totally wrong almost all of their "informed" predictions (based on "convention wisdom" and "current trends" and probably corporate media spin) were. The predictions we had been getting on this site were soooo much more on target. Astrology is far from perfect, but with skill and talent and the courage to report what is seen rather than what is hoped, it can produce impressive results.

There is room for psychics too, but it depends on which psychic.

Laurie, it's towards the end of the the "Here Comes the Manhattan Convention" article :-)

psychic, schmycik...90% of pundits, experts, news readers, and bushoids predicted we'd be welcomed with open arms in iraq. i prefer the solid work of astrologers on this site and elsewhere who show their work. let the 'cold readers' try to dazzle. i'm sure they'll have some explanation when bush takes a hike.

excellent article morganna! compelling and right on target for the mood of the nation and nyc.

ps. jo, i got a word wrong:

"keep hoeing *while* you pray for rain" - favorite in the recovery movement.

wv, my previous comment is NO reflection on you and your wonderful posts...you posts are excellent...let's see what else can i say to seem civil...hmmm

I agree that there are some good psychics and not-so-good psychics. In my experience, a prediction will be right, but the timing will be way off. Or the essence of the prediction is right, but not matching the event I thought it might show up as.

I've seen, through this site, how accurate astrology can be and am continually impressed. Of course, those who offer their talents have many years of experience under their collective belts and I'm more likely to trust them than Joe Schmoe from some site I stumble upon. :-)

Staying inside for the day. Huge protest/rally in Washington Square Park a block from where I live and the energy outside feels like a burning fuse just waiting to set off a powder keg of ... something, I don't know. Best to stay inside and continue reading THE ASTROLOGY OF FATE by Liz Greene. I'm in the First Chapter and she's talking about hubris. :-)

Chas,Joanna,Jo,
Chas had given a good Vedic analysis earlier. Per
my simple Vedic analysis, Kerry has many raja yogas like exalted fifth lord Jupiter in the 9th,
Ascendant lord Mars in the 7th with exalted 9th lord Moon forming Chandra Mangala Yoga and these are powerful Maha Raja Yogas. That's why Kerry could be a Great Prez like Abe or FDR. On the other, shrub's 10th house(profession house) is unassociated and unaspected making NO Raja yoga.
No wonder to attain a Raja yoga, shrub did the daylight robbery with his crony pals in the supreme court! Also looking at Kerry's planetary
dasa(period) on Nov.2, is Mercury/Mercury/Saturn
dasa(all very well positioned from 10th and Ascendant.So Kerry definitely has a very great Raja yoga of becoming 44th President in this period upto Nov 10, 2004. That's my 2 cents and hopefully is coming TRUE!

Raj, this is really weird, I was just thinking of Chas' post from the comments on the previous article and even went there to read it again. It does cut to the chase and I think worth repeating here:

****** From Chas August 28, 2004 06:44 AM

On election day Bush has both Saturn and Mars making very tight aspects to his tenth house cusp and Saturn is especially powerful here as it is aspecting into the sign in which it is fallen, Aries. Kerry on the other hand has both Jupiter and Venus the two major benifacs aspecting the tenth house on election day via there being in the tenth in the tropical zodiac. This by it self suggests triumph for Kerry and there is nothing in Bush's chart by way of transits that can come close to this is suggesting victory but there is much suggesting defeat via both Mars and Saturn aspecting his tenth.
This is a very simple but obvious analysis and I would hesitate to second guess it by finding all kinds of other things via progressions etc.I read so many arguments based on this or that and it is not neccessary.Good aspects from benifacs to the house being discussed and good things happen regarding the things that house rules.The opposite is true for aspects from malafacs.
Bush's natal Saturn tightly squares his tenth house cusp suggesting eventual disgrace and dishoner. Transiting Saturn and Mars both activate this aspect next Novemenbr 2 making it highly like that this is the beginging of the end for his carrear,(tenth house)hopes.With Kerry it is just the opposite.
Kerry it might be added has a hugely powerful, via its being stationary, Jupiter, in the tenth in his vedic chart using the sideral zodiac suggesting great recognition and resepect during the course of his lifetime.Nothing like this is in the Bush chart.
What I wanted to do here was just simplyfy things so we can all keep the faith till election day.

****

Laurie,
I don't know if it is weird or eerie or good old ESP - I think it is more of vibes among us and it
has happened to me before on this site with Sally,
Jo

another point,not brought in here is that the boos
reserved for usa atheletes didn't occur since they
all behaved sort of OK; but the so called general
powell turned chicken and canceled his trip to Greece for closing cermonies since worse than boos were waiting for him(shrub,cheny,rummy all
like chickens chose not to attend and as usual the sacrificial LAMB was a minority for the con
repugs and the neo cons chose powell, who in the last minute got real icy(not even cold) feet and
canceled his Chosen(one) trip.In the morning NBC
Today, signs in Greece read 'powell killer go home
so the boos were there alright for the americans
in Greece, only they forgave the atheletes but not the crooked administrators from here.

I too am sceptical about the "psychic polls" For the heck of it, I subscribe to the Elizabeth Joyce website (never again). Each month she has wild wild predictions almost none of which come true. Early on, she insisted repeatedly that the Dems would be a Clark/Edwards ticket with them winning. Now she insists (happily for me) it will be Kerry. She has also seen assasinations every month that haven't happend (altho in the case of the Shrub would anybody notice?) I could go on endlessly after having viewed her previous predictions over a 4 yr period about how wrong she has been. Even when she's right, well heck a stopped clock is right 2X a day!

There are many gifted psychics around, but who knows who the 75 were? I too will take the solid astro workups on this board for now thank you very much!
Go Kerry!

Astro Am

Don't know how true this is, but, my husband's drinking buddy works for one of the major news organization, and he has just told my husband that CHENEY IS OUT AND MCCAIN OR GUILLIANI IS IN. Gawd, I hope not.

In these columns about 2 or 3 weeks ago, when mccain and shrub were schmoozing together in 6 or
7 western states, I had raised the possibility of
shrub/mccain ticket happening and crony cheny opting out, conveniently citing health problems.
So may be my instincts were right but still Kerry
WILL win!

If this is, in fact, the case, could someone direct me to McCain's or Guiliani's astro info for the upcoming Election Period so we could determine what the chances are of this "change" helping the 'publican Ticket? I'd be shocked if it were Giuliani with his history of infidelity and the enemies and bad blood he has here in NYC. And I'm not sure that McCain will be that much of a help! Perhaps people would view this as more of a political stunt to help Bush's numbers than as anything that will help put money in People's pockets or food on Their tables. How would Bush run with a man who's criticized his policies and supported John Kerry by saying he'd make a Great President (which he did recently, by the way). He'd have to twist himself into a pretzel to make that work AND still keep his Evangelical Base happy (not exactly known for their love of McCain and his Speak Against the Furor tendencies).

OMG! Talk about Africa, 9-11, etc--and it all comes back to Riggs Bank. Look at this:

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=2974

Raj, thanks so much for giving us insight from the Vedic perspective. It all fits, doesn't it? Just like hand-and-glove.

I love this guy. (Gore Vidal speaking on his state of the union pieces he did back in the 70's)

State of the Union, 2004
by GORE VIDAL
[from the September 13, 2004 issue]
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040913&s=vidal

snip--
**In the end, we may offer Richard Nixon a debt of gratitude. I'm in a generous mood.

"Through Nixon's awesome ineptitude we have seen revealed the political corruption of our society." (We had, of course, seen nothing yet!) What to do? I proposed that no candidate for any office be allowed to buy space on television or in any newspaper or other medium: "This will stop cold the present system, where Presidents and Congressmen are bought by corporations and even by foreign countries. To become President, you will not need thirty, forty, fifty million dollars to smear your opponents and present yourself falsely on TV commercials."
Were the sums ever so tiny?

Instead, television (and the rest of the media) would be required by law to provide prime time (and space) for the various candidates.

"I would also propose a four-week election period as opposed to the current four-year marathon. Four weeks is more than enough time to
present the issues. To show us the candidates in interviews, debates, uncontrolled encounters, in which we can see who the candidate really is, answering tough questions, his record up there for all to examine. This ought to get a better class into politics." **

more..........

Jonathan,
More and more it looks like McCain(Guliani is being used as a DECOY by the con repugs to trip the dummies and also throw woo/sand in other peoples' eyes as ususal; what else you expect from
these crooked bunch).Also forget about these two
(shrub and flip flopping mccain) not running in the same ticket - as they say we have seen worse
strange bedfellows in the political twin beds, Jon
ronnie's voodo econmics sat well with other shrub
as long as it would give him a shot at prez after
8 years! None of these crooks care how estranged they were yesterday! So shrub and mccain may be
schmoozing all over again, come next thursday. But
as I said before Kerry's destiny is in his own hands/astrological chart, so mccain can't stop Kerry.Also Edwards can call Mccain a flip flopper
in the VP debate!

Raj,

Yes, the flipflopper tag would hold to McCain, especially if the Dems and MoveOn.org resurrect all of McCain's complaints about Bush over the last 4 years NOT INCLUDING the 2000 Campaign. Perhaps the Kerry team saw this coming and that's why they had the McCain commercial playing recently? Hmmmmmmm ...

Interested in McCain's astrology, though. Will have to scour the archives in a little bit. :-)

Jonathan and all, at AstroDataBank (link from Sallys front page bottom right) has a piece on McCain. I haven't taken a look at his or Guiliani's.
You and Bahki must be in the same neck of the woods, both of ya be safe!
btw...we (my husband and I), have a miniature dachshound pitbull mix..hotdog on steriods (one of six dogs). Sweetest little critter, a brindle. When we rescued her from the pound her name was Mako. You can call her licker now, she can lick but no chewing on humans. Actually we call her Jack.

Woke up this morning in our "friendly" little neighborhood in the Heart of Dixie here in Alabama to find almost all the neighbors have "Bush Cheney '04" signs that have sprung out of their lawns it seems overnight like pesky little dandilions. There are only about 15 of us on this little street and most of us are "older folk" or retired. All of them lovely people who we really like, but we are the only "transplants" from up north who they generally refer to with a smile as "those Yankees among us". My husband was mowing the lawn when he stopped to talk to one of our neighbors who was also out doing yard work ..seems the churches here are giving out the Bush/Cheney lawn posters and encouraging their people to display them in support for "their guy". So, I have decided to get my hands on one of the Kerry/Edwards lawn things and stick that in my lawn come Monday morning for my "protest", small as it will be. I am also feeling naughty and may send the teenagers out in the dark of night to spray red paint across Cheney's name on all their signs if he drops out! I wish we lived in New York again ...I'd be out there marching for sure! Keeping all the brave protesters in prayers and protecting light!

And now, here's a word from our very own Bhakti --

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Hi all, I miss talking here to you, Thank you Jo for posting my words.

The rally started a block away from my friend's building in Cadman
Plaza Park. On the way there I got in the face of a loud Christian pro lifer with my sign and said to stay out of my uterus.

My T-shirt sign 'The Only *BUSH* I Trust is My Own' was a major hit. Alot of photo/video ops so look out , who knows? I am in a purple tank top and purple silk shawl to honor us AW's. I wore an orange hipster hat (think 60's Carnaby St- john Lennon) for the Code Orange we are always in. Long chestnut hair.

It felt great to chant with purple swirling and malas raised. Choice, the ultimate goal of yoga. Between the opposites.

The march across the Brooklyn Bridge was fun and very peaceful.Best of all our STOP BUSH sign is humongous and all the cars going across the
bridges, planes, helicopters, boats in the East River can easily see it. We took photos! I'm thrilled!

When we got to the Manhattan side of the bridge to City Hall there were only about 15 Pro-Lifers with signs behind the cops singing Give Peace A
Chance swaying kinda like Kumbaya on meds. Oh Brother!

Some of our group went home. Three of us stayed on the perimeter of the rally under scaffolding by the side of a skyscraper to get out of the hot
sun. Woooing loud and watching the parade of people go by us. Got the only sneer from a
proper belle with laquered hair. Her little girl's mouth flung open reading my sign.

There were so many families and young women there. So proud. Love those Indigos.

Got a very good vibe that it will be peaceful tomorrow. The crowd was so much fun.

I am going to change my Pro-Choice sign I took from my friend and use the other side for a slogan. any suggestions?

Bhakti

Siobhan, Gosh it sounds like you are in the middle of the Bible belt. If you can manage, what would you think about posting the Beatitudes in your front yard? "Blessed are the peacemakers" etc. Along with a Kerry Edwards sign?

Or maybe if you are feeling more aggressive--a Who Would Jesus Bomb? sign.

Bhatki, glad you went to the march today, so proud of you.

Do you know where the ANSWER march starts from tomorrow, I'm in Midtown?

Hi Barbara! Yes, we are in the middle of the Bible Belt .. I could write a book from what I've seen/observed here in 15 years from a former Jersey girl's point of view. We have neighbors that are very extreme right wing religious people and they are always trying to get us to come to their Bible readings and meetings and offer up their religious tracts even while mowing the lawn. We have offered up to them the Beatitudes and "Blessed are the Peacemakers" to which they always reply that their George was appointed by (their) God to lead our nation. Gets you sick listening to their "message" which seems to be kill anybody that does not agree with what they think (their) God says. They think we are too liberal, to which we always reply that Jesus was the first "liberal" and that if he appeared today He would certainly not be anything like what their church has told them. It's a losing battle here as the churchs here have mindwarped these people for generations ... the best we can do is to speak to them when asked and offer our views and stand up for what we think .. and maybe stick that Kerry/Edwards sign on the front lawn and hope we don't get egged or toilet papered (I think the kids here call it "rolled") during the night .. or worse!

Forgot to add .. "GO BHATKI" !! Wonderful read and all of us are keeping you in our prayers for a safe protest! Love the tee shirt slogan ... I should wear that one down here in the south .. that would have tongues wagging for years to come! You go, girl!!!

I like Gore Vidal's ideas very much. I have a friend who repeatedly points out the almost obscene amount of money used for presidential campaigns (although, the small internet contributions possible this year were a very positive step in allowing people to have a stake in their candidate). I also like the idea of the shorter election period. Kerry came off the primaries extremely strong and showed himself as a great debater during the weeks and weeks of Democratic debates. It would have been good if this happened closer to the convention and election so he could really USE the energy and momentum.

By the way, wv, I didn not object to your posting the bit about the 75 psychics. It was an interesting exercise for me to think about how to deal with it as I'm usually too open to predictions (due to their accuracy at times). About the meditation circle on the Michael Mandeville site, I emailed the contact person...it sounds very good.

Morgana, thank you for a VERY well-written, enlightening (pun-intended), full-moon article. Just the thought of NYC at night under a full moon... While the Republicans noisily indulge in "glitz and glamour" under bright lights, espousing religion and family values from one side of their mouths, intrigue, corruption, back room deals and weird happenings are ensuing in dark corners. It makes a great film noir! Pisces is a gentle, peaceful, spiritual sign but very subtle and Neptunian. (Interestingly, I have mars, venus & the north node near the full moon degree and I feel myself bouncing already.)

Janet,
I didn't realize you are in NYC also... we send our love and surround you also in purple light... may you stay safe... I envy you and bhakti and others who are marching... oh, to be young, again! Well, one doesn't have to be young to march... but to have the get up and go... to NYC --- that is difficult for these creaking ol' bones. We applaud you... Namaste

Foghataboutit

"I have no idea where they got that," Foghat drummer Roger Earl tells PAGE SIX. "Foghat are not supporters of George Bush, and we're certainly not going on the road with him." In fact, Earl seemed downright smitten with the John Kerry-favoring Springsteen tour. "I'd like to see Bruce Springsteen and Bonnie Raitt for president. We'd go on tour with them in a minute!" The Long Island resident also offered up Foghat's services to entertain the troops overseas. "We support the troops 110 percent," he said. "We'd love to go over there and play for them, but no one has asked us yet." ...

Do they ever stop lying??? I loved your article Morgana! Did anybody see Bill Maher's "New Rules" last night? It was too good!

Siobhan,
Even in South Carolina the churches don't hand out yard signs! What's with that? Our county Demo Hdgqtrs. has yard signs for local and nat'l ticket as well as bumper stickers... I loaded up on both... so, if you don't want to get 'egged' for the yard signs, get a bumper sticker... that gets more visibility anyway, imho... and buttons are great... I wear my 'Kerry/Edwards' everywhere... when I buy gas, or take the grand to library, or out to McDonalds... to Wal-Mart (though I don't go there unless I can't get what I want elsewhere)... but I smile really big and am always careful driving... don't want a ticket because of my bumper sticker!

Yard signs from the churches! Well, I swan... Shylurker, what do you think? Is Alabama just special, or what? namaste

Siobhan,

Perhaps you'd consider letting the nearest Democratic Headquarters know that the Church is handing out yard signs, placards, and the like? I don't think it's legal (separation of Church and State, right?) and I suspect the local Dems would appreciate the tip as to where all these signs are coming from!

oh, sally, check this out, you prophet:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x784161

on the other hand, we're all cheering bhakti!!!

Some heros...

http://www.abqtrib.com/archives/opinions04/082104_opinions_price.shtml

Matrix, reloaded: ACLU leads the way in pushing for laws to guard our privacy

"Matrix" isn't just a movie. I wish it were. MATRIX also stands for Multistate Anti-Terrorism Information Exchange, which is a form of "data-mining" and privacy invasion.

MATRIX is seen by many, including the American Civil Liberties Union, as a ploy to bring back to life the defunct, unfunded and discredited federal Total Information Awareness programs of retired Adm. John Poindexter.

MATRIX, corporate data-mining for the federal government and other privacy threats make up what the ACLU is calling the "surveillance-industrial complex," an attempt to "profit-ize" Big Brotherism, governmental snooping, domestic spying and all the other obnoxious practices of a police state and its terror tactics.

The ACLU of New Mexico is so concerned about Big Brother's prying computers that it held a conference this week on "Data-mining, Privacy and Surveillance in New Mexico."

Among the topics was proposed data privacy legislation for the 2005 New Mexico legislative session.

One bill would work to prevent people from being discriminated against by insurance companies and health care providers because of their genetic background.

Another would follow California's Financial Information Privacy Act, which recently survived a Supreme Court challenge. The New Mexico bill would give consumers control over who has access to their financial data.

More....

Jo, Alabama? Hey, heart of Dixie. Maybe if we could get stem-cell research going we could end up with a New York heart transplant for Alabama.
Nice idea.

.....Heart of America...

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5003947-102280,00.html

you never know who you are going to meet during a moment of meditation of the tube....

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5002633-110648,00.html

Bush plays the Terror card....

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5004074-102275,00.html

http://salon.com/news/wire/2004/08/28/swift_protests/print.html

Protesters gather at home of Swift boat backer

Aug. 28, 2004  |  NASSAU BAY, Texas (AP) -- Nearly 40 protesters gathered Saturday at the home of the chief financial backer of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, whose ads criticize Democrat John Kerry's military record.

Bob J. Perry didn't appear to be at his suburban Houston home and didn't answer three doorbell rings by several veterans wanting to hand-deliver a letter asking him to stop supporting the group.

"We deeply resent what he's doing to the veterans," said Richard Zaner, 70, a Korean War veteran who lives in the same suburb as Perry, a wealthy homebuilder.

Kerry supporters chanted "Hey, hey, ho, ho, your stinkin' ad has got to go." A Nassau Bay policeman was parked nearby.

Bill Miller, Perry's spokesman, said this week that Perry provided at least $100,000 to help found the group at the request of his friend John O'Neill, a Houston lawyer who co-wrote a book questioning Kerry's military record. Miller also said that Perry, who doesn't grant interviews, was in Mexico this week.

The ads challenged Kerry's Vietnam service for which he received five medals. The ads said Kerry didn't deserve his Purple Hearts, lied to get his Bronze Star and Silver Star and unfairly branded all veterans with his 1971 congressional testimony about atrocities in Vietnam.

The Kerry campaign rebutted the ads with Navy records and witnesses who served with him. Kerry contends the group is a front for President Bush's re-election campaign. Bush denounced the ads Monday after they were no longer on the air.

Jonathan, there is a small series on McCain over at StarIQ. These articles were done by Rob Hand, not by the usual StarIQers:

Astrology by Hand 40
by Rob Hand
Rob Hand interprets the horoscope of John McCain as the Virgo senator's bill on campaign reform is being debated in Congress. 3/24/2001

Astrology by Hand 41
by Rob Hand
Rob continues his look at John McCain's horoscope by showing how the senator's imprisonment as a P.O.W. in North Vietnam is accurately symbolized by astrology. 3/31/2001

Astrology by Hand 42
by Rob Hand
Senator John McCain is a Republican who has a reputation for bucking his own party on campaign finance reform. This week, Rob Hand looks at what factors in his horoscope encourage McCain to be such a maverick. 4/7/2001

....another view from the UK...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3606416.stm

Here's a little fun for you, put in your ZIP
code and see who your neighbors are supporting
with money.....

http://www.fundrace.org/neighbors.php?type=loc&addr=&zip=95401&search=Search+by+Location

Jo and Jonathan - down here in Alabama where I live churches routinely get involved in politics. The place we go to vote, like many others here, is a Baptist church! First time I went to vote and saw that it struck me as very strange .. but must be allowed here as most of the polls are at churches in our area. What struck me as unfair is that the churches are allowed to use their outside bulletin boards for religious sayings to sway people to their side on voting days. Laws here require demonstrators or pickets to stay within a certain number of feet from the church on these days, but that has not stopped church members from standing with signs "WWJD" and "Vote Christian" right across the allowed limit. It can be very unnerving. When we recently went to vote in the primary there was a huge stack of (unused) ballots for Dem's .. the Repub's pile was just about gone as so many here are republican. When my husband and I went up to get our ballots and had to declare out loud that we were democrats you could see the people staring at us like we were lepers! As for the Kerry bumper sticker .. not going to happen. Have seen local news reports of people here daring to put Kerry bumper stickers on their cars finding their cars "keyed" (scraped along the side with a key) once they left the car in parking lots. There is a lot of hatred here for anyone that is not a republican and the biggest fear here is that Kerry will get in and unleash " 4 years of the Liberals"! I have heard some republicans here say they don't agree with everything George Bush has done, but he's a better choice than some liberal getting in for them. I fear this is going to get very ugly before it gets any better for all involved.

hmmm...the spy deal is more than it seems at first.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0410.marshallrozen.html

josh marshall wrote this for publication before the scandal broke and before the name came out (which it hasn't yet).

worthy read.

Raj,Laurie Joanna, Johnathan, Jo,thanks for the Kudos on my lasts nights post and the repost by Laurie on some of what I said on Nancys comment section last night.
Some more thoughts, kind of technical in nature, but I think I can simplify.Bush has as said in previous comment Saturn square his tenth house cusp and in the vedic Saturn is in the first house and aspects his tenth.The problem for the astrologer is when does this aspect show it self in time.Well he has failed as a CEOo in every field he has gone into including how he governed texas so obviously it has shown itself already.
But as for when it will show itself again the things I look for as triggers are the transits of the outer planets and new moons espeically eclipse new moons.So what do we have next November.Saturn an outer planet is transiting to his natal Saturn and thus is square his midheavn.Mars also a outer planet is transiting to a square of his natal Saturn and is opposite his midheaven exactly on election day. Mars here going into his fourth house, it might be added, probably means a removal as regards his,liveing space, ie "he goes back to the ranch"!
As for new moons. Well we have an eclipse new moon falling sqaure his Saturn and opposite his midheaven in the new moon previous to the election this fall.Now this new moon also falls close to his Jupiter But is seperating from Jupiter and going to Saturn indicating that Jupiter cannot help him that much now as regards his carrere especially as Jupiter in the vedic does not aspect his tenth house as does Saturn.So there you have it. Saturn Mars and an eclipse new moon all aspecting his 12th house Saturn between October 10th and November 5th.A period me thinks in which he reaps what he has sown.Twelfth house Saturns are good at that when it comes to pay back.
Raj.....Kerrys Mars I think quite strong and helpfull in fact war(mars)is what has made him.Both Sun and Moon aspect Mars and the moon aspect has to be huge as it is in the same house as Mars and the Moon rules the ninth while Mars rules the first giveing him another Raj, or "king maker" yoga.As Mars also rules the 6th which is said to govern the ability to defeat enemies the strenth of mars is very important.The fact he defeated the BCCI bank I think is very telling as this was a seemingly indefeatable foe and yet they went down once he took them on.Sign of a very strong sixth house ruler to be sure.
Also think from what I have seen the negative swift boat adds brought the focus back to Iraq and the fact we have a president who has no first hand experience of war.So here again his enemies have come up empty handed although they may not see it that way at this point but I dont think this has hurt him and it has gotton him into full fighing form.
The other thing that I have mentioned to quite a few people is the strength of his second house Mercury which is his current Dasa Bhukti period via its being aspected by a stationay Jupiter in the tenth into Jupiters own sign Sag.Mercury here not only has the great aspect from Jupiter it also has 6 bindus and is in the house of speech making or oratory as well it might be added personal wealth.But it is his speech making that I think needs be noted. If you have read the speech he made before congress in 1971 you have to be just a little awed.I mean he really layed it in their and the fact he did it and not one of the other millions who went to Vietnam shows just how powerful his Mercury and his second house is. That second house and Mercury made it possible for him to say what needed to be said and in doing so making the rest of us more aware of what is what.
The power of his his acceptance speech on July 30th I think surprised many even here but it should not have if you look at how strong his second house is.
Hopefully he has many more speechs to give that will get this country back on track.
I dont have my astro software here but if I remember correctly his Mercury dasa period began in the spring of 2003 or there abouts.As his his Mercury has six bindus and is strong for reasons already mentioned it should also not be surpriseing that he has risen to the positon of making a strike for the presidency he now finds him self in.
Raj, I have Kerrys Jupiter in the tenth useing the equal sign system with Kerry haveing a Scorpio ascendent and his Jupiter in Leo. But as his tenth house Jupiter still rules his fifth(politics)it would seem he has chosen a suitable field to fullfill his dharma.

Morgana, as usual FANTASTIC and thank you.

Normally I would not post something this long and would supply a link if I had one, but this is a reminder to us all that we may not be living in the worst of times and that we have options to stop the "worst of times" that might be coming. As for Guiliani/McCain, oddly Guiliani (5/28/44, 11:52am, Brooklyn, NY) would be more help to the Bush flagging ticket, but considering how McCain has been looking at Bush with near obsessive love and devotion I wonder if the VP position has been floated by him. Cheney can pull the strings in or out of the WH.

A short history lesson on the privilege of voting...

"The women were innocent and defenseless. And by the end of the night, they were barely alive. Forty prison guards wielding clubs and their warden's blessing went on a rampage against the 33 women wrongly convicted of "obstructing sidewalk traffic."

They beat Lucy Burn, chained her hands to the cell bars above her head and left her hanging for the night, bleeding and gasping for air. They hurled Dora Lewis into a dark cell, smashed her head against an iron bed and knocked her out cold. Her cellmate, Alice Cosu, thought Lewis was dead and suffered a heart attack. Additional
affidavits describe the guards grabbing, dragging, beating, choking, slamming, pinching, twisting and kicking the women.

Thus unfolded the "Night of Terror" on Nov. 15, 1917, when the warden at the Occoquan Workhouse in Virginia ordered his guards to teach a lesson to the suffragists imprisoned there because they dared to picket Woodrow Wilson's White House for the right to vote. For weeks, the women's only water came from an open pail. Their food--all of it colorless slop--was infested with worms. When one of the leaders, Alice Paul, embarked on a hunger strike, they tied her to a chair, forced a tube down her throat and poured liquid into her
until she vomited. She was tortured like this for weeks until word was smuggled out to the press.

Woodrow Wilson (a Democrat)_ and his cronies tried to persuade a psychiatrist to declare Alice Paul insane so that she could be permanently institutionalized, and the courageous doctor refused. "Alice Paul was strong, he said, and brave. That didn't make her crazy. The doctor admonished the men: "Courage in women is often
mistaken for insanity."
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15 million eligible women did not vote in the last election. Every woman should read this and remember what it cost the women who so feverently and bravely persisted so we could have a say.

A strong and brave Bhakti took to the streets today, there will be more tomorrow and the next day and the next. There is and has been a pattern of injustice and corruption in our government.

The right to vote for all people was not the end, it was the beginning and is still the beginning of standing up for what is a right of all citizens of this country. We deserve an honest participation in this country and this election does not and should not end raising our voices for the truth and honorable people to serve.

Someone wrote me to tell me that the US won every major battle of the war in Vietnam just like we are winning every major battle in Iraq. That person does not grasp the concept of winning the battles but losing the war. This election is a battle, but it's not the war. Our government declared war on us 100 years ago when corruption spread like wildfire. Speak out, vote, encourage others to vote, put signs in your yards, get a list of talking points, give what your can to local candidates, Moveon.org, the DNC whatever you can do, do it. The year 2000 and GWB was our clarion call to stand up.

Bravo, Sally! Wonderful ideas and inspiring advise ... I am going to my local Dem office tomorrow and getting a Kerry/Edwards sign and proudly sticking it in my front lawn! Thank you, thank you, thank you for reminding us of the many before us who bravely persisted so we could have a say in things!

Here it is... Blow back time!!! Clear from the UK no less. ;O)

* Supporters of Senator John Kerry yesterday warned of "blowback" against *ush for the political "attack ads" by the [not-so] Swift Boat Vets for Truth http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/08/29/wbush129.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/08/29/ixworld.html

YAhoooooo Sally!
Wonderful, passionate, accurate, necessary comments! Thank you for reminding all of us that we need to fulfill our duties as citizens --- duties that others have died for... not on the 'battlefield' of aggression/war... but on the battlefield for human dignity and rights! Amen... Sally... Amen...

Siobhan,
It sounds to me as though there are some voting irregularities going on in Alabama! You might want to contact someone to check it out... esp the business about the two stacks of ballots! That's a carry-over from the dominantly Democratic Party (Yes, the South was Democratic and during my lifetime!)when white people tried to intimidate blacks... I don't know, but I don't think it is legal... and we don't have a single church in South Carolina that is serving as a polling place... lots of schools, but no churches. And there can be no campaign literature or signs within a certain distance of the polls.

This is the website for your State party, and it links to County Parties... http://www.aladems.org/

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With regard to Joanna's link at 1:23 pm above:

"Alabama is where serious questions arise over whether or not Bush fulfilled his obligations to the Guard," said William McTavish, a Republican, and editor of the Washington on-line political magazine Capitol Hill Blue."

Well, I swan... you don't mean it... Sweet home Alabama? What a lucky stroke for the Bloke!

Siobhan, there are cracks in that wall... it's coming down!

Namaste

Jo - many thanks for the link to the Dem party here in Alabama. Have already pulled it up and written and asked them to clarify the state rules regarding voting in churches here ... we have always thought this to be unlawful, but who knows. Alabama seems to have rules that don't apply in other more educated states. Going locally tomorrow to pick up my Kerry/Edwards lawn thing ... will be interesting to see how long it lasts before somebody takes it! "Sweet Home Alabama" is something I'll never feel comfortable with ... way too much of a culture clash for me after living "up north" and traveling around the world! So many still stuck in a time warp here and miles to go before things change. Yes, cracks are appearing in the walls as more people move here from other states, but it's going to take a lot to change the thinking here as it goes way back generations and religion still plays a major part in how people view things. And, then they wonder why Alabama is almost dead last on the lists compared to other more progressive states! Thanks for the info ... I appreciate it!

Interesting read on DailyKos this a.m., esp. if you need a reason to feel optimistic about Nov.2
Check it out ---

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/8/29/73934/3755

Namaste

Blowing Smoke on Intelligence
Turning Liability into Asset
By RAY McGOVERN
Former CIA Analyst

What do the president's nomination of Rep. Porter Goss (R, FL) to head the CIA and the seemingly contradictory proposal of Senator Pat Roberts (R, KS) to dismember the CIA have in common with tales of swift boats once in Vietnam? Answer: The proven potential of all three to grab the headlines and draw attention away from President George W. Bush's most serious vulnerabilities in this key pre-election period.

http://www.counterpunch.com/mcgovern08282004.html

Can Bush win???

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/08/29/INGFF8B03D24.DTL&type=printable

....more Fiore....

http://sfgate.com/comics/fiore/

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0410.marshallrozen.html

Fresh scrutiny on a rogue Pentagon operation.

On Friday evening, CBS News reported that the FBI is investigating a suspected mole in the Department of Defense who allegedly passed to Israel, via a pro-Israeli lobbying organization, classified American intelligence about Iran. The focus of the investigation, according to U.S. government officials, is Larry Franklin, a veteran Defense Intelligence Agency Iran analyst now working in the office of the Pentagon's number three civilian official, Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith.

The investigation of Franklin is now shining a bright light on a shadowy struggle within the Bush administration over the direction of U.S. policy toward Iran. In particular, the FBI is looking with renewed interest at an unauthorized back-channel between Iranian dissidents and advisers in Feith's office, which more-senior administration officials first tried in vain to shut down and then later attempted to cover up.

Franklin, along with another colleague from Feith's office, a polyglot Middle East expert named Harold Rhode, were the two officials involved in the back-channel, which involved on-going meetings and contacts with Iranian arms dealer Manucher Ghorbanifar and other Iranian exiles, dissidents and government officials. Ghorbanifar is a storied figure who played a key role in embroiling the Reagan administration in the Iran-Contra...

More...

"Nationally, a large Zogby/Williams poll of 20,900 voters found Kerry leads Bush by 50.8 percent to 46.7 percent among likely voters, with only 2.4 percent undecided or so soft in their support of either candidate that they could easily change. That survey had an error margin of plus or minus less than 1 percentage point."

Hot diggity dog!

http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews/pm21317_20040828.htm

...join now....

http://www.votetoimpeach.org/

here's a link for live coverage of the protests: http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

Just checking back and see this great link! Thanks Peg!

CNN wants to know if you'll be watching Smirky's acceptance speech. I think Leslie "Faux" Blitzer will be reading the results on his show (don't have tee-vee, so don't know for sure). Go vote:

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/late.edition/

just voted and saw the results currently stand at 75% No and 25% yes. Hmmmmm ...

Jonathan, thanks so much. How's it going in NYC? I'm following best I can through links at DU.

This march is stunning! I am so happy.

That Juan Cole post above is just incredible!!!! Here is the key part, in my opinion, and if the media pushes this, we will have a big explosion for sure. The neocons (Franklin, et al) purposely sabotaged improved relations with Iran, wanting eventual war with Iran, so that Iran cannot retaliate or attack Israel when it expels the Palestinians.

Here is the quote:

So it transpires that the Iranians were willing to give up 5 key al-Qaeda operatives, whom they had captured, in return for MEK members.

Franklin, Rhode and Ledeen conspired with Ghorbanifar and SISMI to stop that trade. It would have led to better US-Iran relations, which they wanted to forestall, and it would have damaged their proteges, the MEK.

Since high al-Qaeda operatives like Saif al-Adil and possibly even Saad Bin Laden might know about future operations, or the whereabouts of Bin Laden, for Franklin and Rhode to stop the trade grossly endangered the United States.

The FBI has evidence that Franklin passed a draft presidential directive on Iran to AIPAC, which then passed it to the Israelis. The FBI is construing these actions as espionage or something close to it. But that is like getting Al Capone on tax evasion. Franklin was not giving the directive to AIPAC in order to provide them with information. He was almost certainly seeking feedback from them on elements of it. He was asking, "Do you like this? Should it be changed in any way?" And, he might also have been prepping AIPAC for the lobbying campaign scheduled for early in 2005, when Congress will have to be convinced to authorize military action, or at least covert special operations, against Iran. AIPAC probably passed the directive over to Israel for the same reason--not to inform, but to seek input. That is, AIPAC and Israel were helping write US policy toward Iran, just as they had played a key role in fomenting the Iraq war.

With both Iraq and Iran in flames, the Likud Party could do as it pleased in the Middle East without fear of reprisal. This means it could expel the Palestinians from the West Bank to Jordan, and perhaps just give Gaza back to Egypt to keep Cairo quiet. Annexing southern Lebanon up to the Litani River, the waters of which Israel has long coveted, could also be undertaken with no consequences, they probably think, once Hizbullah in Lebanon could no longer count on Iranian support. The closed character of the economies of Iraq and Iran, moreover, would end, allowing American, Italian and British companies to make a killing after the wars (so they thought).

Franklin's movements reveal the contours of a rightwing conspiracy of warmongering and aggression, an orgy of destruction, for the benefit of the Likud Party, of Silvio Berlusconi's business in the Middle East, and of the Neoconservative Right in the United States. It isn't about spying. It is about conspiring to conscript the US government on behalf of a foreign power or powers.

Beautiful article, Morgana!! That fantastic march today was certainly energized. It was a joy to behold.

Nancy, You're right on the money in your summary of Cole's comments and the situation. Might we call the action of the Neocons 'treason'? I would think so...

Nancy, not was, is still an awesome and beautiful thing!

Blessings to Juan Cole!

Treason is what they do so very well.

Jo - This story is huge, HUGE!!! It is indeed treason. They purposely sabotaged improved relations so that we could have a war to help Israel. Yikes!! I suppose all the US and Iranian casualties would be just collaterol damage, like in Iraq? It may be that the Israeli govt had little or nothing o do with this plot. This was more a neocon conspiracy. And these are the folks who surround Bush, his most trusted advisors. Remember when they said it didn't matter if he didn't know anything about the world, he would have advisors!!! This is where that one leads.

The March in NYC was awesome. I don't know what "they" are reporting, but on each block, starting at 14th street, and up to 34th street (Madison Square where the convention will be held), there must have been 5000 people on each block. The crowd was BIG and peaceful. Lots of signs: Fire the Liar, 911 Survior Resists Bush, Darn Good Liar. From a building hung, SAVE AMERICA - DEFEAT BUSH. Some people hung from high rises with sign, and one sign read, DRAFT the TWINS. There were the Raging Grannies, the young, and the not so young present.

This is what Democracy looks like some chanted, and when we got to 34th Street, Madison Square Garden, we stop and chanted, GOP GO HOME. Great March.

Nancy, Krugaman might want this, and Conason.

Nancy,
I have never thought "Israel" was involved, only Sharon and Likud party... with the Neocons here in USA, I think Bush Sr. and his son Jeb and Dubya are knee-deep in that philosophy which goes back to Iran-Contra and the shadow gov't... I have been suggesting this was going on with no evidence... Our US Senator said the invasion of Iraq was for Israel and got smeared as anti-Semetic which he is anything but... his words got twisted... I despise labels... I think some people wanted to seize power for their own purpose and they tried under Reagan and failed and were determined to do so under Bush and didn't have a second term... and now, with Bush II they are determined... I would never separate Dubya from the Neocons or Sharon and Likud... but that is my own assessment... Certainly he doesn't have the ability to govern, but he agrees with the counsel he gets... he wants the objective and is not, in my opinion, being 'led' as some Libertarians like to claim, while they blast the Neocons...

These folks set us all to squabbling among ourselves when they slap labels on people... while we engage in debate they go about with their dirty business... Our failure was to let the Iran-Contra criminals get off... they are back and this time, we must make them accountable. (Just my 2cents) ----

Treason it is...

I just really hope the media comes through on this story and all its ramifications. The timing is a lovely way to upstage the convention.

Nancy,

I'll suggest to you, just as someone else did above, to write these journalists and Op-Ed people and let them know. Sometimes things become a big story only when we, the People, demand it become a Big Story. And, with our letters and suggestions, it's amazing what we can do.

DailyKos has a diary up on it... called Juan Cole connects the dots... one poster added Josh Marshall's Washington Monthly piece and many are saying they're afraid the American public simply won't 'get the' picture and the media won't give it to them...

Jonathan's suggestion is good... we need to send emails to the media... national and local... this is treason...

-----------
I checked the BBC for their coverage of the protests and it is pathetic... they should hear from us also... those of us who didn't march must protest in other ways... please, send the emails.

Janet,
I envy you so... and we're all very glad you're safe... blessings and lots of purple light on you.

For this recent scandal to gain steam the internet and journalists are going to have to push very hard. It isn't mentioned now on one major news media outlet. It's too complicated an issue for the American people to understand or care about, they would have a hard time understanding why Israel would even spy on us. Most Americans have a sense of Israel practically being another State of the Union. It was released on a Mercury Retrograde and moving into a Full Moon and it will have a very hard time getting traction, if the Abu Ghraib scandal can't seem to make a dent in GWB's base, the "Franklin" scandal is practically a non-issue. I certainly don't expect John Kerry to pick up on it because he has already indicated Israel to be the "good guys" just like all his predecessors.

ABC is calling the protesters in NY, "Bush-Bashers," so the protesters are in the process of being marginalized. The only thing that can possibly cling to Bush at this point would be the economy or proof positive that George Bush personally signed off on 9/11, or if by some miracle the people figure out the agenda of America and Israel. I cannot help wondering why the FBI let this information slip now. We may find out next week.

Sally and All---I think this spy stuff has slipped now because of CIA payback. We need, as patriotic citizens, to push on all fronts against the malfeasance of this administration because every little bit helps. Meanwhile we can take comfort in the idea that others who have been maltreated by this administration are ready and able to deal retribution.

Regardless of what ABC calls the protesters or of what the Polls say, don't forget that there are many, many people out there who are struggling and are remembering how good it was under the Democrat President during the 90s. And when it comes to light that Bush has lied, that'll be the final straw. My belief is that people will forgive a lot in someone, but, if they feel like they've been fooled after trusting someone and maybe even defending that person, that's usually the straw that breaks the proverbial camel's back. People don't like to feel stupid, and I think Bush will make a lot of people feel stupid and used.

Remember also that a strong majority of people polled say we need a new direction. That usually translates into a New Leader.

Here's a link for some still photos of the march - they're really wonderful http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5860087/displaymode/1107/s/2

tPluto goes D 31st and finishes its station 9/7... (I think dates are correct) Labor Day are so we will see tPluto direct and radical change? I believe so... change in the media (hey, not drastic, a bit at the time, okay!), change in the consciousness... Hope is on its way!

http://nyc.indymedia.org/

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040829/capt.nygb10408291817.cvn_protests_nygb104.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040829/capt.tjs11408291729.cvn_protests_tjs114.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040829/lthumb.tjs11308291727.cvn_protests_tjs113.jpg

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?g=events/el/072604elecprotests&a=&tmpl=sl&ns=&l=0&e=65&a=0&printer=

http://juliusblog.blogspot.com/2004_08_01_juliusblog_archive.html#109372700052768779

My husband and I watched all four and a half hours of the C-Span coverage of the NYC protest, wherein it took FOUR AND A HALF HOURS for all the Bush protestors to parade past Madison Square Garden.

C-Span had several cameras, but one was set up where the protestors passed Madison Square Garden, and it gave an ongoing live feed of the passing protestors. And they came, and they came, and they came! And not in single file, but most often filling the width of Seventh Avenue. I was astounded at the numbers, as was my husband! The line up before the march covered 20 city blocks--and that is a distance of several miles (NY City dwellers please correct me on this point if I'm wrong).

If any news agency dares to tell you that less than 300,000 marched, KNOW that they are minimizing the numbers.

It felt so good watching all those people from all across America adding their voices to what I've been thinking and feeling for the last four years.

One of the marchers' slogans was, "This is How Democracy Looks."

Pat C,

A city block in NY is a lot different (and much larger) than a city block elsewhere. Think of 3 or 4 city blocks in your average town or city in America and you have some idea. And that's just going North to South! Crossing, say, 41st Street from Seventh Avenue to Sixth Avenue can take forever! The numbers you mention are huge!

Oh, Joy! Let the people speak.

Astrologers, when you run McCain's charts do you use the 8:45 a.m. time proposed by Adrian Duncan in his article from 2000 posted at:
http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/04_articles/2000/02_mccain_pr.htm
because it seems to line up with the events in his life better then the 9am time that others' use?
Has anyone progressed his chart to the last day of the RNC or the day after the election to see how it reads? [With his hot temper I'd be afraid he'd lose it with that "dry drunk" baffoon.] McCain looked better for winning in 2000 then he does now, right?

Oh Jonathan I wish I could have been there. I had so many errands to do today and just sat there watching all four and a half hours. It was so nourishing!

The fact that none of the media covered it was so disheartening. It is a daily pain for me. I will tell you this. If Bush gets back in somehow, there will be protests, and there will be more people. I think we can all count on it.

Are there any more demonstrations planned during the conventions?

Pat C, oh yeah! Code Pink is having one at the Plaza hotel tomorrow morning, I think. Just to name one. There is a protest scheduled for every day of the convention. The Billionaire for Bush is also perfoming all around the city, daily.

Code Pink handed out a schedule of protests for the week, which I now cannot find.

ASTROLOGERS: Please, any comments on Bush's acceptance speech on Thursday? Also, any comments on McCain & "beadie-eyes" Guilliani making their speech during a MercR? We New Yorkers just "love" Guilliani. We love him so much that days after 9-11, Guilliani wanted to stay on as mayor, and a majority of NYers told him to get lost.

Pat C.
There's a Lightupthesky event planned for tonight and there's a VoteNoWar protest planned outside the hall while the shrub is making his speech on Thursday... lots of other events too that I saw as I surfed today... I've been putting up wallpaper every five mins. just looking at the streets swollen with people makes me feel so good... a full moon in Pisces... Morgana was right... Pisces washing all over the streets... People Power... Yayyy Morgana... Go People... Yayyyy

It feels so good to feel good, doesn't it?

The most powerful part of the protest were the flag-draped 'coffins' for each
soldier who died in Iraq.

For once, the New York Times got the numbers right, as 'hundreds of thousands'; the rest of the media is still using the AP's 'tens of thousands'.

The only major media outlet I could see were, of all people, Fox News... probably looking for 'anarchists'.

Atlanta Journal Constitution has front page pic of coffins

http://www.ajc.com/

Pat C.,
What's that expression of yours "makes my heart smile" --- ? WaPo has an editorial that I'd love to shove under the shrub's door! Maybe he could find someone to read it to him...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42711-2004Aug28.html

It's gotten even crazier:

"President Bush on Sunday defended the invasion of Iraq, calling it a "catastrophic success" despite continued violence and the lack of weapons that drove the country to war."

Edwards promptly and accurately responded:

"President Bush now says his Iraq policy is a catastrophic success. He's half right," Edwards said. "It was catastrophic to rush to war without a plan to win the peace."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/08/29/politics1553EDT0560.DTL

oh, I am exhausted reading all of this! Friday night I called my ex in NYC and he was somewhat concerned about needing to be on the upper west 90's in Manhattan at 1 pm on Sunday....I am going to send some of these eyewitness emails...I know he came in from Yonkers by train, and then a bus ride for 1/2 hour (on a normal day) to get to the west 90's....boy...I wonder if he even got there. He was laughing and saying he would have to start at 5 am,,,,

We are still Merc RX...if McCain is the replacement (or Guiliani), what will THAT mean?

Janet: No comment on GWB Acceptance Speech until we know the exact time it's given. McCain and Guiliani's speech will have to be judged on timing against the opening time of the convention. Speeches given on Mercury Retro usually don't hit their mark, or they are not very well understood or not very well accepted even if it's a good speech. Now it's not going to fall flat in a convention hall of the faithful, it will be if it falls flat with the public. I personally believe George will get a bounce from this convention because the night he gives his speech the collective will be coming out of a Mercury Retrograde with a huge release of energy just as Jupiter sextiles the US Mercury and comes to a trine to US Pluto. This Convention will be the bad news but the good news for the Dems will be coming soon. Try to hold a positive space for Kerry/Edwards in energy and not focus on Bush.

Jupiter is aspecting the US chart after all and the surge of people power in New York is what we need to focus on. That power is the big picture, this convention is the little picture.

Just saw the pictures from Impeach Bush...those yellow and black signs were terrific!

IF YOU ARE ARRESTED IN NEW YORK WHILE PROTESTING CALL THIS NUMBER.

http://nlgnyc.org/RNC.html

As Sally said above, the Big picture is the people and here to report is our very own bhakti:

Fantastic!
What fun. A long day. Heard the TV news that it was 100,000 -120,000 people but that can't be it was so much huger.

Moments:
Went with the boyz who all live in the building with our huge STOP BUSH banner!!! It'll stay up until election day hopefully :) Lined up on 15th street btwn 5/6 Aves where the coffins and pallbearers also lined up. We walked with
the a group behind them who held big cardboard white doves. White doves being my totem animal which I illustrate into each of my books was a good omen. As we waited to march some clowns in a 4th story window were agitating the crowd with a GWB poster and video taping. At one point everyone went boo all together and they looked shaken. A group of drummers and dancers from the Socialist party got the crowd uplifted . A party of hipsters were dancing on their fire escape twirling parasols with painted W's in a red slashed circles. The mood was very Full Moon high in a great, party loving way. Everyone was peaceful and courteous. The cops were VERY hands off. Marched with all kind of creative groups. Crusaders in medevial garb, red with the W in the red slashed circle that was on the evening news filmed from the sky. Was it on national news? that was brilliant. So many helicopters and a kazilloin photographers, news reporters. Dick and Bush (in costumes of what their names describe) with their Secret Service men weaved through the crowd. My favorite group to march with had us dancing for about 10 blocks. They were the Army of Love for Peace. They wore khaki shirts and played drums. The girls danced on someone's shoulders, their pink foamcore guns said 'love'. Their signs said 'drop panties,not bombs'. 'Love Everybody'. We saw the smoke from the fire near Madison Square Garden but it really did not delay anything. I'm sure it was a minor but played up by my evening news.

Banners that rocked:
"Drunken Frat Boy Drives USA into Ditch'. "Bush is the Anti-Christ/Evil', 'if you can read this sign I know you are not the president' "I miss Clinton' , 'F minus' 'you're fired' lady in a white hood and robe had a sign 'KKK for Bush'. A hugmongous banner about 2 stories high along 7 Ave near where the delagates hotels are said "SAVE AMERICA- DEFEAT BUSH', a humongous sign on a building a few blocks from the Garden said 'My Bush smell like shit'. I loved the Bush blow up doll with a Pinocchio nose. People in the windows waving, giving us the 'v' for peace. People were really creatively venting their anger.

The chants:
Many times during the day a wall of sound would undulate throughout the crowd giving it a continuity of being together from end to end. The first time I heard the sound thought it was a low flying plane, so intense. For me the best was getting to the Garden and the delagate's hotels and all together chanting "Shame on You' "Liar, Liar" (said kinda like PeeWee Herman, nah nah), 'Go Home', 'Bush Bush go away racist, sexist, anti-gay' , long 'Boos' . A big billboard for FOX was greeted with a 'FOX Sucks' chant so did Geraldo Rivera on a big screen TV outside Macy's.

The cops said thank you to us leaving the march and that we did a great job and we thanked them back.

After that we headed home to sit under our banner on the terrace for a beer and falafel. Three army helicopters flew over the East River. Then 4 blackhawk helicopters. Euuuuuu Cheney is here but they can see our STOP BUSH banner. Yippeeee!Also the Repub govenor's are coming to Brooklyn for a 600 people party in the park a few blocks away in DUMBO. They're gonna see our banner too if the come by car or water taxi. We are having a Sunset Sayonara party on the big terrace on the other side of this building for Sept 2 and plan to participate in Al Franken's Great American Shoutout by yelling 'Fageddaboutit' when Bush takes the stage in the Garden.

Stop being afraid everybody, the Bush terror is Bu**sh**, it's to keep us down. Today was about feeling up and sticking it to the Bush while the whole world watches. I am so proud to be a New York City native today!!!Power to the People!

ps I discovered that I do not own any conservative looking clothes so wore purple once again and you were all there with me.

Love, Bhakti

Latest update from nyc.indymedia.org

"From the UFPJ press conference-- New arrest update: 180 total arrests, total number of protesters: 500,000, total duration of march: six straight hours. People were still leaving when front of March ended at Union Square."

If I remember, McCain has the Saturn transit opposite his Moon for the months of October and November. He is not happy during election season. I have wondered about that. Could he be that miserable if Kerry wins? Maybe yes, if he is really throwing in his cards with Bush and has alienated Kerry. I would imagine Bush has promised him Sec of State or Defense. I don't know if Kerry will give him anything after his active support of Bush.

bhakti....hope it is ok....sending your post to my ex in NYC....boy, this reminds me so much of the anti war march in April of 1967 in SF (well it's one, two, three what are we fightin' for? Well I don't give a damn, next stop is Vi-et-NAM...."

Is it significant that I found one of my tickets from the Monterrey Pop Festival when cleaning today?

Back to the future, lets rock the vote....

Pat C.,
Remember the Haiti coup, and how concerned we all were and in the midst of that came --- Shylurker knows and remembers, right! --- the plane grounded, loaded with mercenaries, intent on coup in oil-rich Equatorial Guinea. Well, seems Margaret Thatcher's boy may not be the only big fish in this mess... my, my... what have we here?

Britain dragged into coup plot as rumours swirl over London meeting

Thatcher's business partner turns state witness as diplomatic row builds over alleged west African putsch

Antony Barnett, Martin Bright and Patrick Smith
Sunday August 29, 2004
The Observer

One of Sir Mark Thatcher's key business partners has turned 'state witness' and is alleged to have given dramatic new evidence to South African police investigating Thatcher's role in the alleged coup to overthrow the President of Equatorial Guinea. The revelation comes as speculation mounts over what British and US officials knew about the alleged plot and when. Insiders claim that officials in both countries were aware of a planned attempt to topple the leader of the oil-rich west African state, although both governments have denied this claim.

---- snip ----

Although it is not suggested that British intelligence was complicit in any coup plot, the claim that some officials might have had advance knowledge of the attempted putsch has prompted opposition politicians to demand a statement from the Foreign Secretary, Jack Straw. Menzies Campbell, the Liberal Democrat foreign affairs spokesman, last night called on the government to come clean about its knowledge of the operations.

Last night the Foreign Office categorically denied that it had any 'prior knowledge of the alleged plot'.

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,9174,1293232,00.html

Over at AstroDataBank, they have McCain's chart with an "A" rating.

He's got 16 or 18 Cancer on the Midheaven. His Pluto is at 28 Cancer opp Moon at 27 Capricorn. Yikes!

He has Chiron at 22 Gemini. Mars is at 12 Leo.

WV, having a great deal of eye opening experience with the web site Neighbor Search....especially since I stayed up until 3 am working on donor lists, purging, etc, for a non profit. Doing it for friends, good cause, and besides, I'm getting paid. What I thought was interesting is how many people on my donor list are on these lists! And most of them are prominent Repubs. Big Bucks....but the majority of the money is coming from people supporting the DNC and Kerry....I think it more than makes up for the 25 grand being dropped by the CEO and president of one of our big local companies....and he is doing it from each of his entities, it appears....but those are few and far between (depending on zip code)....tons of Dems here....

We got ourselves a "Star Witness," huh, Jo? Boy, I hope so. And whatcha wanna bet when the names start coming out that among them will be the names of many neocons. It's as though the rich and powerful have turned this entire globe into a crime scene. Of the heavy duty type.

They're having a ball over at DU with the "catastrophic success" utterance. More oxymorons (for DU, I guess we should call them 'oxymorans'):

Fatal Recovery
Military Intelligence (of course)
Jumbo Shrimp

etc.

A MESSAGE FROM BHAKTI AND HER PARTICIPATION IN NEW YORK'S MESSAGE TO BUSH

Fantastic!
What fun. A long day. Heard the TV news that it was 100,000 -120,000 people
but that can't be it was so much huger.
Moments:
Went with the boyz who all live in the building with our huge STOP BUSH
banner!!! (It'll stay up until election day hopefully :) Lined up on 15th street
btwn 5/6 Aves where the coffins and pallbearers also lined up. We walked with
the a group behind them who held big cardboard white doves. White doves being
my totem animal which I illustrate into each of my books was a good omen. As
we waited to march some clowns in a 4th story window were agitating the crowd
with a GWB poster and video taping. At one point everyone went boo all together
and they looked shaken.
A group of drummers and dancers from the Socialist party got the crowd
uplifted . A party of hipsters were dancing on their fire escape twirling parasols
with painted W's in a red slashed circles. The mood was very Full Moon high in
a great, party loving way.
Everyone was peaceful and courteous. The cops were VERY hands off.
Marched with all kind of creative groups. Crusaders in medevial garb, red
crosses on their costumes. Saw the huge flowing material with the W in the red
slashed circle that was on the evening news filmed from the sky. Was it on
national news? that was brilliant. So many helicopters and a kazilloin
photographers, news reporters.
Dick and Bush (in costumes of what their names describe) with their Secret
Service men weaved through the crowd.
My favorite group to march with had us dancing for about 10 blocks. The were
the Army of Love for Peace. They wore khaki shirts and played drums. The girls
danced on someone's shoulders, their pink foamcore guns said 'love'. Their
signs said 'drop panties, not bombs'. 'Love Everybody'.
We saw the smoke from the fire near Madison Square Garden but it really did
not delay anything. I'm sure it was a minor but played up by my evening news.

Banners that rocked:
"Drunken Frat Boy Drives USA into Ditch'. "Bush is the Anti-Christ/Evil',
'if you can read this sign I know you are not the president' "I miss Clinton' ,
'F minus' 'you're fired' lady in a white hood and robe had a sign 'KKK for
Bush'. A hugmongous banner about 2 stories high along 7 Ave near where the
delagates hotels are said "SAVE AMERICA- DEFEAT BUSH', a humongous sign on a
building a few blocks from the Garden said 'My Bush smell like shit'. I loved the
Bush blow up doll with a Pinocchio nose. People in the windows waving,
giving us the 'v' for peace. People were really creatively venting their anger.

The chants:
Many times during the day a wall of sound would undulate throughout the crowd
giving it a continuity of being together from end to end. The first time I
heard the sound thought it was a low flying plane, so intense. For me the best
was getting to the Garden and the delagate's hotels and all together chanting
"Shame on You' "Liar, Liar" (said kinda like PeeWee Herman, nah nah), 'Go
Home', 'Bush Bush go away racist, sexist, anti-gay' , long 'Boos' . A big billboard
for FOX was greeted with a 'FOX Sucks' chant so did Geraldo Rivera on a big
screen TV outside Macy's.

The cops said thank you to us leaving the march and that we did a great job
and we thanked them back.

After that we headed home to sit under our banner on the terrace for a beer
and falafel. Three army helicopters flew over the East River. Then 4 blackhawk
helicopters.
Euuuuuu Cheney is here but they can see our STOP BUSH banner. Yippeeee!

Also the Repub govenor's are coming to Brooklyn for a 600 people party in the
park a few blocks away in DUMBO. They're gonna see our banner too if the come
by car or water taxi. We are having a Sunset Sayonara party on the big
terrace on the other side of this building for Sept 2 and plan to participate in Al
Franken's Great American Shoutout by yelling 'Fageddaboutit' when Bush takes
the stage in the Garden.

Stop being afraid everybody, the Bush terror is Bu**sh**, it's to keep us
down. Today was about feeling up and sticking it to the Bush while the whole
world watches.
I am so proud to be a New York City native today!!!
Power to the People!
ps I discovered that I do not own any conservative looking clothes so wore
purple once again and you were all there with me.

Love, Bhakti
You are free to post this for Astroworld Sally, Jo. Many thanks

I imagine that the police were so cooperative during the march was because there were so few of them. A large number of what they had were, no doubt, at the necropub convention... the rest are in Iraq. And no doubt they were also rather resentful at the 9/11 betrayal of the *bushies.

Wonderful narrative, Bhakti! Thanks!

NY march...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5004353-111675,00.html

Regarding the spy scandal, the important issue the Josh Marshall brings up in his new article is that there is this rogue group in the Pentagon, not heeding direction from superiors, that is actively pursuing the neocon agenda. Then Juan Cole brings up that they have sabotaged a trade with Iran for some important al Qaida prisoners, thus impeding the war on terror. He seems to think the passing of info wasn't so much spying as getting their contacts' take on the info and how best to impact US policy. The issue isn't spying it is a small cabal surruptitiously impacting policy for their own reasons. If this group and their allies are the source of the Niger documents, it all fits in with the larger picture of manipulating events and information for their own purposes.

Bhakti - Beautiful description of the day. Many thanks. I watched a good bit of it on CSPAN. I couldn't take my eyes off of it. It was just so glorious. CSPAN allowed me to feel like I was there.

Bahkti both my son and I were wonderin' where you were and we both saw the cspan shots of the flag covered covins. Very powerful and moving. We watched it all on cspan we're on the west coast. We were there in spirit. Might be from now on huge protest marchs where-ever Bush goes from here out. Look what New York loosed! I am awed that it was so peaceful. Look out Bush here come's We The People.

COFFINS not covins

Greg Palast: "Madam Butterfly at it again...
Florida elections....

http://www.gregpalast.com/printerfriendly.cfm?artid=366

....good story on The March from Britain..

http://news.independent.co.uk/low_res/story.jsp?story=556464&host=3&dir=70

Ah, Christians...don't you just love the
hypocrites?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A45348-2004Aug29?language=printer

speaking of hypocrites....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A45325-2004Aug29?language=printer

John Pilger: Bush vs Kerry - The Fake Debate

http://pilger.carlton.com/print/133343

Good editorial from the Christian Science
Monitor

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0830/p08s02-comv.htm

Michael Moore's latest epistle to W -if this
was posted before I missed it...

http://www.rense.com/general56/vitie.htm

Superb article, Morgana! So much to catch up on but we hosted our own march here in Chattanooga for those who were unable to go to NYC. Many folks from this area did, however, go. In fact one of our good friends was arrested. This is the post we received last evening:

(quote)this is a call for support!

katuah earth first! activist john johnson was arrested today in new york city while protesting the republican national convention. during the peaceful march towards madison square gardens, a float was set on fire and police around the area began arresting protesters. according to eye witnesses, the police were “aiming low,” but still striking protesters who resisted arrest. amid the 100 to 150 people arrested to was john johnson, a long-time activist with katuah earth first!. this call is for financial support. if you have any extra money, a dollar, five dollars, twenty dollars, we could use your help to get him out of jail. luckily, he has two fellow earth first!ers in new york doing physical jail support, but we here at home can help out by sending money for his fines. if you can help support john by sending money, please send to:

Katuah Earth First!

c/o Amanda Womac

625 Banks Ave.

Knoxville, TN 37917 (end quote)

Thank YOU! my fellow rabble rousers for making certain that our disgust with this administration is LOUD and VISIBLE!

karen

Black Box voting machine scandal - Diebold
machines but what did you expect....

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/?q=node/view/78

Sally,
You posed a question in your comments on the spy at the Pentagon upthread:

"I cannot help wondering why the FBI let this information slip now."

Well, the NYTimes is saying the FBI didn't let it slip, someone else did!

Officials Say Publicity Derailed Secrets Inquiry
By DAVID JOHNSTON and ERIC SCHMITT

Published: August 30, 2004

WASHINGTON, Aug. 29 - The Pentagon official under suspicion of turning over classified information to Israel began cooperating with federal agents several weeks ago and was preparing to lead the authorities to contacts inside the Israeli government when the case became publicly known last week, government officials said Sunday.

The disclosure of the inquiry late on Friday by CBS News revealed what had been for nearly a year a covert national security investigation conducted by the F.B.I., according to the officials, who said that news reports about the inquiry compromised important investigative steps, like the effort to follow the trail back to the Israelis.

As a result, several areas of the case remain murky, the officials said. One main uncertainty is the legal status of Lawrence A. Franklin, the lower-level Pentagon policy analyst who the authorities believe passed the Israelis a draft presidential policy directive related to Iran.

No arrest in the case is believed to be imminent, in part because prosecutors have not yet clearly established whether Mr. Franklin broke the law. But the officials said there was evidence that he turned the classified material over to officials at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, a pro-Israel lobbying group. Officials of the group are thought to have then passed the information to Israeli intelligence.

The lobbying group and Israel have denied that they engaged in any wrongdoing. Efforts to reach Mr. Franklin or his lawyer have not been successful. Reporters who went to Mr. Franklin's residence in West Virginia on Sunday were asked by a local sheriff not to approach the house. Friends of Mr. Franklin's, like Michael Ledeen of the American Enterprise Institute, said the accusations against him were baseless.

As the overall outline of the case emerged more clearly, doubts about some aspects of it seemed to stand out in sharper relief. Investigators, the officials said, may never fully understand the role of two officials for the lobbying group who they believe were in contact with Mr. Franklin. Nor are they likely to be able to completely determine whether Israel regarded the entire matter as a formal intelligence operation or as a casual relationship that Mr. Franklin himself may not have fully understood.

More at http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/30/politics/30spy.html?ex=1094841390&ei=1&en=43cce4a544f1e489

Also on the Israeli spy matter, Antiwar's Justin has an interesting article this a.m.

http://antiwar.com/justin/

Good morning!

Tell us what democracy looks like. This is what democracy looks like.

http://juliusblog.blogspot.com/2004_08_01_juliusblog_archive.html#109384298180670322

http://juliusblog.blogspot.com/2004_08_01_juliusblog_archive.html#109372700052768779

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/aug2004/nyc-a30.shtml

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/mmedia/politics/082904-14v.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/29/politics/campaign/29CND-PORT.html?hp

http://salon.com/news/feature/2004/08/30/sunday_protests/print.html

I had to get off yesterday so I missed resopnding to the good comments and questions. I can only say I fully agree with all that you all said. It's so refreshing!!

Wonderful article Morgana, but I am confused about the full moon chart you use. It says the 29th and then the 30th. Is this something mundane astrology does? The full moon takes place opposite the sun right? And that would be at around 7 deg of the pisces/virgo polarity? Why do you say 21 Pisces? Is it more about how the moon travels after it's contact with the sun? And then you are looking at the start of the RNC on the 30th?

Not being critical at all here, just asking. I am new to mundane astrology, so I have a whole lot to learn.

Shade, I fat fingered the file name in my astro software. Below that you'll see the date and time. Mercury retro makes communicating effectively ify' and being heavily influenced by the bugger, I'm amazed that there weren't more!

We're not in Lake Wobegon anymore...

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/printer_083004F.shtml

That;s an interesting article wv. Very well said.

Here are some more pics of the protest yesterday.

http://homepage.mac.com/sbethell/PhotoAlbum32.html

Charley Reese is at it again....

http://reese.king-online.com/Reese_20040830/index.php

Joshua Micah Marshall over at Talking Points is feeling a bit playful this morning:

"Isn't the press going to bludgeon John Kerry over this remark this morning?

When asked whether we can "win" the "war on terror" Senator Kerry said: "Can we win? I don’t think you can win it. But I think you can create conditions so that the — those who use terror as a tool are — less acceptable in parts of the world.”

Oh, sorry. That was President Bush who said that.

So forget what I said about press bludgeoning ...

-- Josh Marshall"

Wunnerful, wunnerful pics!!

http://juliusblog.blogspot.com/2004_08_01_juliusblog_archive.html#109372700052768779

John Edwards, that boyo is on a roll

Edwards Accuses Bush of Failed Leadership

By AARON BEARD, Associated Press Writer

WILMINGTON, N.C. - Vice presidential candidate John Edwards (news - web sites) gave a sweeping denunciation of the Bush administration's foreign policy Monday, accusing the president of a "failure of leadership" as the Republican National Convention opened in New York City.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&e=3&u=/ap/20040830/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_edwards

And of course you heard the latest Bushism, ' catastrophic success '. Right.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/30/business/media/30novak.html

Columnist Has Ties to Anti-Kerry Book

mong the stoutest defenders of "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry," the best-selling book arguing that Mr. Kerry lied about his record of service in Vietnam, is the columnist Robert Novak.

In his syndicated columns and on the CNN program "Crossfire," Mr. Novak has lauded the book and referred to veterans who criticize Mr. Kerry - most notably John E. O'Neill, the book's co-author - as "real patriots."

Unmentioned in Mr. Novak's columns and television appearances, however, is a personal connection he has to the book: his son, Alex Novak, is the director of marketing for its publisher, the conservative publishing house Regnery.

In a telephone interview, Robert Novak said he saw no need to disclose the link.

"I don't think it's relevant," he said.

"I'm just functioning as a columnist with a point of view, and a strong point of view," he added.

Don't Know If This Article Was Posted Earlier:

Pro-Bush Washington Post Editorial Board Actually Gets Tough on the Liar's Crew, Blasting That No One is Holding His Crooked Administration Accountable. Well, There's Crooked GOP Leaders in Congress, the Supreme Court and DOJ, As Well as the White House.

A FAILURE OF ACCOUNTABILITY
Sunday, August 29, 2004; Page B06

ONLY A FEW years ago, it seemed the slightest suggestion of malfea- sance by a presidential administration -- allegations of tampering with a minor administrative office, say, or indications that a cabinet secretary might have understated the amount of money given to a former girlfriend -- could trigger a formidable response from the other two branches of government: grand juries, special prosecutors, endless congressional hearings, even impeachment proceedings. Some of that auditing, especially during the Clinton administration, went too far. Yet now the country faces a frightening inversion of the problem. Though there is strong evidence of faulty and even criminal behavior by senior military commanders and members of President Bush's cabinet in the handling of foreign detainees, neither Congress nor the justice system is taking adequate steps to hold those officials accountable.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42711-2004Aug28.html

---Any Doubt About What John McCain Really Is----McCain is an Offical Republican Slime Ball!!

Republicans Sharpen Kerry attacks
Sen. "John McCain said Monday it was fair game to criticize Democrat John Kerry’s anti-war protests three decades ago", firing an opening salvo as Republicans at their national convention sought to portray President Bush as a strong wartime leader.

NEW YORK - Republicans at their national convention portrayed President Bush as a strong wartime leader, adopting a platform endorsing his agenda and putting his and Vice President Dick Cheney’s names in nomination for a second term as they sharpened their attacks on Sen. John Kerry.

“We will leave here with momentum that will carry us to victory in November,” Republican National Committee Chairman Ed Gillespie said to a roar of approval as the convention got under way in Madison Square Garden. Gillespie promised a positive agenda that he said would expand Republican control of Congress and state governorships.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5810451/

MSNBC TV: Will the GOP convention protests help or hurt Pres. Bush's re-election?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/

Did anyone notice when they officially convened the start of the Repub convention? I had the news on at about 10:12 am EDT and someone was saying it officially opened "a few minutes ago", so I'm thinking maybe 10 AM. If so, that's a pretty good time for a party to start, I guess, because Venus is at the top of the chart (although I expect that retro Mercury would mean red wine spilled on the white rug.)
But, of course the time of the acceptance speech is more important re the course of the campaign.

On another topic could anyone tell me what the astrological term
Alchochoden means?

Barbara, I hadn't a clue and after reading this still don't.

http://www.astrology-x-files.com/astro-concepts/hyleg.htm

Barbara, they are saying 10:01am over at political astrology on Yahoogroups.com.

Shade I didn't know yahoo had a political astrology group. How cool.

Hey hey hey, with Saturn conjunction Venus those must be very boring parties!

Morgana, I forgot about Saturn conj. Venus, but that does sound like the kind of a party Repubs would have, doesn't it? Dems do have more fun.

A Pagan friend sent me a long email about the NYC march and I tried to paste it in this comment box but couldn't. Will try another way later.

Barbara, I actually think they'll be rather 'catty'. The you know so and so isn't wearing the right designer dress and heaven forbid there is any originality or individuality. A sea of blood red dresses...like Cruella Deville aka Katherine Harris. I caught a glimpse of the Darryn Kagan CNN repub shill is hanging out with Limbaugh rumor. Pass the popcorn.

Shylurker, thanks for the link. I think I'm going to have to read that article more than once (and look up a lot of words) before I get the drift--but it's a start.

Shade, thanks for the 10:01 EDT time.

Morgana, can you believe Limbaugh has been married several times? No wonder he thinks women are stupid.

just voted NO for smirky on CNN-currently 4000 votes running at 2 to 1 against smirk and th polls
sampled between 1000 and 1500 say the race is even
I think that's baloney when you compare to this CNN polls!

Raj, you might want to check out this site:
http://www.pollkatz.homestead.com

He updates it all the time.

I'm particularly intrigued with how closely Smirky's approval rating is tied with gasoline prices. Very curious.

I'll go vote now too. Thnx.

Whoa! CNN has a picture of McCain posted right now. He looks really bad. What's going on with him?

Juan Cole has further comments on his piece on Israeli spy yesterday...

---------------
Monday, August 30, 2004
Johnson: FBI Furious at Leak

Many thanks to Ken Henderson for the following:

' In a later broadcast on MSNBC, former CIA officer and NBC analyst Larry Johnson
reported that for months he had been aware of an investigation that had led to tonight's revelation, one that had originally focused on the source of a forged document indicating that Iraq had sought uranium from Niger, presumably for making nuclear weapons. Johnson speculated that Israel may have been behind the forgery which was used by the administration to bolster its case for invasion. If so, he said, the espionage case could tie to an ongoing Justice Department criminal investigation into the outing of Valerie Plame as a covert CIA operative by right-wing columnist Robert Novak. Johnson also said the FBI was furious that news of the espionage investigation had leaked. Johnson opined that the investigation could lead from DOD to the National Security Council, and that the timing of the leak just before the start of the Republican convention was not coincidental. In a post on the dailykos weblog, one contributor noted that "when Tom Clancy and [Gen.] Zinni were running around flogging their book, they were on Deborah Norville. [During the show, Norville] asked Clancy of his impression of Wolfowitz. 'Is he working for our side?' [Clancy] replied."

It appears to be the case that someone in the Pentagon got wind that Larry Franklin had been flipped, and was terrified that the investigation might go on up the ladder at the Pentagon, in AIPAC, and with the Israelis. So they leaked news of the investigation to make sure that everybody clammed up and shredded everything.

The NYT piece today reflects continued efforts at the Pentagon to paint Franklin as a low-level desk grunt with little access to Paul Wolfowitz. This last is just a lie. In a conversation with me, Franklin indicated that he was in very close contact with Wolfowitz, and he offered to get me an audience. I said, "You don't read my web log, do you?"

CNN reports that AIPAC, which passed confidential Pentagon documents and information from Franklin to the Israelis, holds 2000 meetings a year with US Senators and Congressmen, leading to the passage of an average of 100 pro-Israel pieces of legislation every year!

Some readers have suggested that I have exaggerated AIPAC's hold on the US Congress. But I have direct knowledge of senators and congressmen being afraid to speak out on Israeli issues because of AIPAC's reputation for targetting representatives for un-election if they dare do so. And, it is easy to check. Look in the Congressional record. Is there ever any speech given on the floor critical of Israeli policy, given by a senator or representative who goes on to win the next election? And look at the debates in every other parliament in the world; there are such criticisms elsewhere. The US Congress is being held hostage by a single-issue lobbying organization that often puts Israeli interests above US interests, as the spying scandal, and the attempts to thwart the prisoner exchange by Iran of high al-Qaeda operatives for Mujahedin-e Khalq terrorists demonstrate.

Indeed, you would expect the revelation of the FBI case to provoke congressional investigations of AIPAC. There won't be any, for obvious reasons.

Again, I underline that the American Jewish community does not support most AIPAC positions (a majority are much closer to Americans for Peace Now), and that this issue has to do with a small fanatical leadership of a specific lobbying organization, nothing more.

Also, the Uggabugga blog has put up a diagram of the Franklin spying affair as far as it is known so far.

posted by Juan @ 8/30/2004 10:48:26 AM

I just back from NYC with a camera empty of shots. It seems that Sunday's mass demonstation made Monday a ghost town by comparison. Anyway, I heard Amy Goodman of democracy now giving it to the NYC police for arresting legal observers with identifing green hats on. Also the police were videoing everybody and sending the data to Central Command. Has anyone seen the movie, An enemy of the state? Of course fox news said only about 10,000 anarchists were there but the true count is in the 100's of thousands of concerned citizens. I have had enough of the Bush sh*t and its time now to act! If you know anyone that can vote make sure you drive them there Nov,2. Starman

Howdy Astrophiles!

Imagine my surprise when I sailed into Astroworld this morn to find a Morgana Full Moon article with 166 comments! Ya'll have been busy! It's taken me all day to catch up!

Great article, great comments, great links, whatdahey great minds and great energy!!!

Visualizing waves of purple washing around the world and safety and peace for the folk in NYC. We're almost out of the tunnel of the Mercury rx and this one has been working me over like nobody's business. I'm hanging my hat up on cubicleworld tomorrow and starting a new job elsewhere, I'll keep ya'll posted.

Namaste! Blessed be!!!

~D

The REAL poll is very encouraging!!:

http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthtribune/2004/08/22/news/opinion/9465203.htm

Claudia Dikinis over at Starcats (see top right-hand side bar) has taken a look at the chart for the opening of the Repug Convention. Her summary will bring a smile to your face.

Welcome back, Dommael. You've been missed.

The Harvard economist who has a model that has correctly called presidential elections for (?) years was on CNBC this afternoon. He says there is no possible way for Kerry to win, according to his model. He ruined my day. Somebody please give me a reason to live.

it is as I have suspected for some time...

http://www.rense.com/general56/ddie.htm

Somebody please give me a reason to live.
Posted by Teg at August 30, 2004 11:10 PM

The one thing that I am thinking of - if Kerry goes down in flames - is...that the Halliburton fiasco(missing generator included and all the other crapola) plus the Abu Ghraib transgressions will COME BACK TO GET THOSE WHO ARE IN CONTROL. I don't know which would be more delicious: to see Bush lose the election, or to see him and all his merry men run out of office some time in 2005!

Of course...the 2005 idea might make things even worse, but it is hard to imagine that being so.

I guess the only thing I can imagine being worse is four more years...like water torture...except you don't hear the drips...just have to see them day after day after day...

old granny

Teg, remember, mercury is rx. That, and don't turn on the TV unless you can find something other than the RNC propaganda. Sally has a good post up there somewhere, read that. And Chas does too. But, I know, I have been cruising sites and finding people saying GWB will win with the very same reasons that here it is said he will lose.

I also think of Tecumseh curse. Either he is laughing in the afterlife, ie--finally found a white man to really curse the white men, or if GWB does win, the curse kicks in. We still have the rest of the year to go. One thing I feel sure of, if GWB loses, the last 3 months of his reign will have the paper shredders humming 24/7.

And yes, the political astrology site over at yahoogroups has an enormous amount of info posted everyday. Plus it's a great place to go and get people to help you find astro data. However, beware, their currrent discussion of who will win this fall seems to be another draw.

Was this it shylurker?

http://starcats.com/toc.html

Ed Gillespie calls GOP Convention to order, August 30, 2004, 10:00 AM, EDT, New York, New York. Asc: 19 Libra. Venus (of popularity) set to conjunct grim (unpopular) Saturn in the 10th house representing "The President." Moon now waning after "full" of 8/29. Bush/GOP power and prestige now setting like the winter Sun -- Bush campaign in more trouble than mainstream media lets on. -- Starcats

Printed out to help Teg.

Teg, all the more reason to become even more active! No matter that the East Coast of the US is one giant mud puddle and Frances is barreling down the pipe. Which with Hermine raining on George's parade and Frances threatening JEB's livelihood we can only hold our collective breath, and watch and Monsieur Gaston joins their party. What kind of impact will that have on Jorge's bounce? FEMA by experience is a laugh...been there.

Hmm..gotta go read Claudia.

Yes, indeedy. Thanks, Shade.

Teg,
I can sure understand your comment.(Somebody please give me a reason to live) For my own sanity I refuse to watch those evil Repulsivans/liars. Just do not watch one minute of television or listen to anything on the radio . . .It just four days and this two shall pass. . ."Just like the Reagan/death love fest". I try really hard not to think about four more dreadful years because I don't have a back up plan for my sanity. . . .For now I just visualize Kerry and Edwards taking their oaths on a cold blustery day come January 2005.

Here's the chart for the RNC using the 10:00 AM time in NY, NY

http://morganaseawalker.com/RNC2004.JPG

Pluto's involved, Neptune, and Chiron..pass the popcorn.

CNN wants to know if you think tonight's speakers are representative of the Repugs. Do go vote.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/

Teg,
We should all take heart. Even though Professor Fair's computer model predictor worked out often. . .It failed on some very important election predictions. . . and it can't factor in disgust and anger. . .Just keep visualizing

BEATING THE POLLS

Yale Professor Ray Fair's largely economics-based computer model predictions have proven remarkably accurate. Using after-the-fact predictions based on real data, Fair's model accurately predicted the winner in all but two elections since 1916. Between 1916 and 1996, the standard error was statistically miniscule. The worst prediction, George H.W Bush's 1992 re-election effort, was about four percent off, and inaccurately predicted Bush as the winner. The other time in that span that the model failed was in 1960, when Richard Nixon lost a tight election to John F. Kennedy that was within the Fair model's standard error. In 2000, the Fair model was almost dead-on from a statistical perspective regarding the popular vote, yet failed to predict the winner of the Electoral College.

http://www.hpronline.org/news/2004/05/04/UnitedStates/Beating.The.Polls-672911.shtml

Morgana, interesting aspects from Chiron to Sturn and Venus. Hmmmmmm. There is a Sun Mars conjunction in the eleventh. Yikes.

Dommael, I'm rooting for you! Hang in there!

Pluto goes direct, my phone rings and a script I've written is showered with praise by a Director who's been sitting on it for WEEKS! How's THAT for astrology in action?! :-) (and I get to be the 200th Poster, too!)

Jonathan, for being the 200th poster and being a great writer for theater, you get this wonderful hat!

http://www.burtchy.com/costumes/Hats_&_Headgear/hat_viking2.htm

Take them by storm! Enjoy!

Yeehaw! Way to go, Jonathan.

KAP, don't turn everthing off. Give Air America or Pacifica a chance.

Jonathan, how very wonderful! Congratulations!!!!!

...this page could keep you reading all night.

http://news4florida.tripod.com/index1.html

Congrats Jonathan! And Dommael, can't wait for you to share your news with us...

Meanwhile, back at the ranch...
You do know the NYC hijinks known as the RNC are meant to divert from all the stuff tPluto is swirling about... Juan Cole's 2nd article posted above on how the info on Israeli spy was leaked before the FBI had its case wrapped up leading to the top, and conveniently just before the RNC theatrics...

Now comes Josh at TPM to tease some more about further news coming out... listen and retain, for I think some more Pluto stuff is a-coming:

----------------

Sen. Kit Bond gave a short speech this afternoon which differed substantially from the 'prepared remarks' sent out to journalists in advance. If I'm not mistaken one of his ad-libs was a charge that former Kerry foreign policy advisor had gotten caught "putting the president's PDBs into his BVDs."

A class act, that Kit Bond.

I'm a little embarrassed since Bond is the Senator from the state of my birth. But setting his smarminess aside, the accuracy of his riff on Berger is actually apropos of the rest of his remarks.

Bond's remarks were focused on claiming that President Bush had been vindicated in the '16 words' he used in his 2003 State of the Union speech about Iraq seeking uranium from Niger.

I can't quote his words specifically because they included so many ad-libs from the prepared text. But the substance of it was that the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence had discredited the charges against the White House on this point and found that the president's statement was "well-founded."

Though Bond is on the Intelligence Committee, I doubt he had much involvement in the Committee's work or the Report. But if he did, he certainly knows that the Report intentionally left out a number of facts that came out of the committee's investigation, which -- had they been revealed -- would have placed the Niger matter in a very different light. Many of them center around a particular country that goes almost unmentioned in the Senate Report.

A lot more should be coming out about that Report in the next couple weeks and on the Niger matter. Make a note of Bond's remarks for future reference.

-- Josh Marshall
(August 30, 2004 -- 03:10 PM EDT // link // print)

Don't worry about the crappy poll numbers. Things are much better than they look. Most of the people who voted in the democratic primaries back in the winter and in the early spring had never before voted in their lives. None of these people are being counted in the national and statewide polls because they are not considered "likely" voters. According to most standard polling practices, you have to have voted in 2 out of the last 3 or 3 out of the last 4 elections and also have to say that you are at least somewhat likely to vote. None of the people who were part of the massive turnout in the democratic primaries are being counted in the current polls. They weren't counted at the time and they aren't being counted now.

And don't worry. Bush will get a 2-3 point bounce. But it will be short-lived. As I recall, dozens of astrologers on this board predicted problems with the economy and foreign trade that will be blamed on Bush. These probelms will "cast and aura of failure" over the Bush preidency, from which he will never recover. To prepare for this coming crisis, and to maximize its potential impact, we need to be reminding voters that Bush has left this country ill prepared to deal with another crisis. Defecits, the war in Iraq, the jobless economy, the destruction of our environment, the polarization of the electorate, and the squeeze on the middle class, whether or not you agree with the impact of those policies NOW has left us ill prepared to deal with another FUTURE crisis (economic, military, or otherwise).

Amen to that Dave.

I loved this article:
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/083004Walker/083004walker.html

To Granny: they have the House, the Senate, and the Judiciary and, of course, Ashcroft's bailiwick. Which means impeachment is hugely unlikely, to say nothing of the fact that we dems seem to lack that streak of sustained self-righteous viciousness typified by their persecution of Clinton. Also, I think the Bushies get away with murder because they commit really big crimes. Which for some reason seem to be easier to get away with than trivial indiscretions, alas.

I still despair!

To Shade:
tyty for kind words of encouragement. Wonder who is the gov. supplier of paper-shredders. We could always buy options on the stock and salvage something from the detritus!

Morgana,

Re Jebbie's problems. Remember he has little brother to bail him out!.......If Bush had been half as generous with NYC after 9/11 as he is with Fla. after Charley, we wouldn't have half the problems (fiscal) that we have here. He'll do it again, rest assured.

Forgive my negativity, pls. I'm in Manhattan. Nuff said! lol

KAP!

Thanks so much for the name of professor and additional facts on that. I really appreciate it. (The written word is always so much more informative than TV.)

Over on DU they are discussing the with purple hearts being worn by people at the Repug crapahoola. Unbelievable.

That ought to get them lots of vets' votes.

Jonathan - Congratulations!!!

Teg - I think that all the forecasts by economists are invalid these days. Bush will lose based on more than just the economy, and that is what they forecast on. He lied to get us into a war which has become a disaster. He has pissed a lot of people off for a lot of reasons. The economy and the war would have to be going splendidly to make up for that breach of faith, and neither are.

Oh, and August...not only the House, the Senate, the Judiciary...etc...but apparently also all the MEDIA are there as well. I sit tonight and on PBS even there is the Republican convention. Were they there for the Democratic convention???

And tonight I hear Bush's voice trumpeting how..."We can live in a land where EVERYBODY has an opportunity" and I just about threw my shoe through the television(I'm not watching it, my mother is and she needs all the stimulation she can get, so I have my earplugs in now)...

But the first thing I think of with those so-very-eloquent words is just how the African-American vote is being withheld. And how there is every chance on earth it will be withheld THIS election.

I don't know. Has this always gone on and I just have never NOTICED???

I just cannot think so.

{I think the Bushies get away with murder because they commit really big crimes.}

THAT is excellent!!! Yes!

I don't know though, I can't help but think that at SOME POINT it has to end. The Mafia must be exposed.

I read somewhere else somebody writing of an angry Democrat coming to the fore some time in the future. This future can't be any too soon, in my little tiny opinion.

Did you see the banner the climbers unfurled in NY this morning? The Truth - North arrow/Bush - South arrow one. Made my day.

Yes, I suppose my Bush scenario is merely a pipe dream. Still, it never hurts to dream. Sometimes dreams do come true.

Janet,
I’ll make one exception and I’ll definitely turn-on the Daily Show . . .But I’d rather poke my eyes out with a sharp stick before I look at John McCain and the rest of those head-spinning bile spewing hypocrites.

You'll have to forgive me, if you will. I'm still recovering from this past full moon. Which was a real doozy for me.

But the local Dem office is underway, I've gotten all my signs and stickers and buttons and will be going in to man the reception desk and who knows what else! It ain't over until it's over and there's still a lot of life left in this old granny!

Thanks to all for your uplifting and energizing posts!

Sentient Non-Idiots For Kerry

Repubs Pick a Fight About Vietnam While Bush Ruins America Right Now

By Mark Morford
SF Gate Columnist

Is the nation drunk? And that 1,000th soldier will fall in abject pain, his or her life utterly wasted for a cause that never really existed, that no one actually believes in, that was all built on a lie to begin with. And he or she will die just as all the war hawks and all the right-wing homophobes and all the cigar-chompin' corporate CEOs gather in New York and pop their champagne and cheer the true triumvirate o' GOP happiness: GOD, GUNS AND MONEY

Yes, it's enough to make you laugh out loud. Until you don't.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2004/08/27/notes082704.DTL&nl=fix

Hello all!!!
GOD I love this site! And a note to old Granny:
yep, PBS was at the Dem Convention and surprisingly even handed in their commentary.
Siobhan:
Being in TN, another Deep South Repub-because-they're-racist state, know that liberal Dems are everywhere, you just have to seek them out. And continue to confront your nosier-than-thou neighbors with comments like this, next time they "extol" W: "The Devil can cite Scripture for his purpose".
I think the Chinese will laugh last though, because their ancient curse "May you live in interesting times" is playing out to the NTH degree, anyone concur? Though, being born in the early '60's, and living through the '70's of Nixon as a preteen, all of this talk of peaceful protest warns my neo-hippy-liberal heart.......
and lastly, Jonathan, I've got a pitch for ya:
"The Stivics", a tv show in which Rob Reiner and Sally Struthers resurrect their "All in the Family" characters more liberal than ever, with their children now as young adults, learning true democracy from some of the loudest liberal voices of their era......

okay, I was just dreaming and streaming there, but wanted to lighten things up a bit......
peace in purple.....go Bhakti!!! Pics please?
love and peace to all

Here in Portland OR... in the city at least; haven't checked out the hinterlands... there're signs, bumperstickers, etc., EVERYWHERE... for Kerry/Edwards. That goes for the yuppie/monied districts as well. I haven't seen even ONE bushaholic sign or ad. ;O)

Garry--Julius blog has a whole lot of pictures--and probably some other blog sites do as well.

Re the Deep South, been checking out the state polls and even Alabama is 43% for Kerry. We're not All gullible.

Thinking about this campaign--it seems to me that some people are Born with a BS Detector and some develop a BS Detector as they grow up. And some people never get one and they are the poor fools who vote for the Repugs who are enriching themselves at the working peoples' expense. (It's like that disgusting old Southern joke about the Smart Pills.)

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