Great article Isabelle and every so timely with the games beginning tomorrow. Thank you so much for being one of our contributors you are a terrific asset to this site.

What an interesting article! Very intriguing, too. Many thanks, Isabelle. Now, I must hurry and read it again.

another Olympic event, discovering the truth about
W's time in the service

http://www.crisispapers.org/

Here, they say, you will find the real Olympics. Maybe it's the title of the article but it smacks of being sleezy. Maybe sleeze is in and some of us just didn't know it. This is a sad commentary on the Olympics. Well with Pluto in Sagittarius, I expect Collage and professional sports to be next. There won't be one single ideal we've believed that will be untouched. Education, Sports, Politics and government, Religion, the Law, corporations, all that has been operating in the dark regions of our shadows will be treated to the blinding light of the sun.
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/olympics2004/story/0,14912,1281416,00.html

Do you think the US athletes will be booed at the games? If so, do you think it will open any eyes or just close more minds?

Insightful, Isabelle, many thanks!
~D

abilene,

I think the booing of the US athletes, which may be inevitable this Olympic Games, will shock many who still believe that we Americans are beloved around the World. And it may help them to further realize that who we have as President, and his or her ability to work with other Nations in good faith, DOES matter. And that's where Kerry has a clear, indisputable advantage over Bush.

Very good article Isabelle! I'm sorry I didn't mention it on my earlier post.

Jonathan, I sure hope you're right. I guess if that doesn't turn some people around I guess nothing will.

...interesting op-ed piece from Haaretz

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/463581.html

and Editorial to Israeli athletes...http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/463606.html

Very fine article Isabelle... I find it interesting from my own studies years ago that the events in first Olympics were not restricted to sports: poets and playwrights participated. How wonderful it would be if that returned!

Jonathan, I concur that USA participants will be boo'd... but I can hear Dubya's counter now... "they hate us because we're better!" And I have to wonder what Joe Sixpack will say... the same?

A word here about Nov. 2nd. I discovered today that the voting machines in all the precincts in our County are being replaced with touch screen... we have had no problems with our present machines, which do leave a paper trail. I called the Governor's office (he's a Repub) to discover in answer to my query that the decision was made by "the Federal Gov't" and is being paid by monies from the HAVA (Help America Vote Act) Act... I swan, I said, imagine that... you mean Mr. Bush is sending some aid to us poor folks in the South? Our teachers have to zerox worksheets for children in their class because there's not enough funds to give the children worksheets... but we get new machines... I visited the County Election Commission a few minutes ago... the old machines are stacked against the wall and the new ones are being sent out to precincts in the county... I called the State Election Commissioner but she was in a statewide meeting with County Commissioners today and unavailable to take my call and all my questions. Her aid did tell me that the papers have been full of the news for some time now, but I informed her that I am very informed and that is not the case. Today's article in the local paper was the first news we had, indeed the Gov's office claimed not to know that machines all over the state are to be replaced... dirty tricks everywhere... well, tomorrow a.m. early I will call the State Director when she returns to her office... I am interested in who initiated this worthless unnecessary expenditure... the local editor has a lot to answer to also, as the article gave no info about the present state of machines, why we were changing out... in other words the 5 w's were nowhere in the article, but the big Dubya was behind in the shadows, in the form of the 'fed gov't'... take a look around your county folks... what's going on? And have you checked to be sure some Freeper hasn't provided your Voter Regis Office with a change of address for you? That was in yesterday's news at Kos... Really sneaky, huh? You go to vote, only to discover you are no longer registered in that precinct? Time to get busy... I'm voting absentee... but I have to wait until after September 15th to do that, because they don't have paper ballots until then! You vote absentee on the touch screen now! Ain't science grand. Heck the Canadians do it all by paper ballot, mark an x in the appropriate circle and each precinct takes about four hours to count, and returns go in... 'Course, we couldn't do anything that simple or straightforward here, could we?

Sorry, but I am really wound up today! Got my (blue) car plastered with Kerry and Inez (Senate) stickers and I'm loaded for bear! Go blue, Go Kerry, Go Edwards, Go People... Go Dubya, back to Crawford...

Namaste

Jo -- how frigtening for you and your state. Howard Dean filled in for Tina Brown (??) on her weekly show Sunday P.M. He had Beverly Harris on with a lap top computer showing him and the whole world how easy it is to change the vote tally through the "back door" of the program. California has my admiration for their willingness to take action to ban all touch screen voting machines. Makes me wonder if Bush is giving funds to all republican states and we just haven't heard about it yet. On another subject, but important...does anybody know if the legal appeal by "Time Magazine" regarding the Plame Investigation will be moved through the system speedily? If not, we won't have the findings of the investigation before the election...right?

Makes me shiver to read about your SC surprise, Jo. Beverly, I hope someone does know what's going on with that. And, now, I'd like to ask my question (and hope some of you have answers). Currently, there is a great rush to set up the "Terra-ism Czar" and centralize everything. Clearly, the entire system needs an overall (very deep and wide, and the 911 Commission didn't go as deep and wide as the situation demanded), but this rush to set the thing up has me concerned. Lemme see, they rushed through the Patriot Act and the Iraq War approval. Smirky wants to quickly appoint Goss director of the CIA (and for good reason: Goss will fire up the "bad" side of the agency and he will cover up, stonewall, etc., any and everything having to do with Plame, Chalabi and the more-recent outing of a Pakistan mole inside al-Qaeda. Why are they (and it seems to be bipartisan) so intent on rushing through this "Terra-ism Agency and Czar" thing? Thanks.

Booing will not change anybody's minds here;those
who are world savy/enlightened among the adults
ages 30 and over are already are.Others like rummy
shrub,cheny are all like know it all and will cricitize those who boo by making inane,silly remarks like - it is the OLD Europe booing but the
NEW Europe is on our side, blah,blah,stupidity fully exposed for the whole world to see and I don't see any of these neocons minds opening up at
all.

A little hope:

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/reuters20040812_391.html

Shylurker, you pose an interesting question. I'm reminded of the fact that the creation of the 'Homeland Security' dept. (I swan, I still despise that name!) enabled them to bring FEMA in under that umbrella, and then FEMA brought in all the local police agencies... so that what Pallas 18 saw manifest in Savannah this past June will happen in NYC for the RNC to deal with protestors... in other words, the office of the President is omnipotent... it controls the CIA, the FBI, the Secret Service, all state and local police... and dare I say the Pentagon, and it in turn the military, NORAD, etc., etc. So, what could a CZAR accomplish? They already have one... don't they? What am I missing? Brownshirts?

Peace

excellent article! i feel like i'm back in my college classics class (which was great). i'm sure we're in for some serious de-mythologizing.

ps. judi, from last thread, glad you enjoyed it. just like the avalong ball room.

Jo, The Brownshirts are under the command of DeLay. They're probably training at the little hacienda near Crawford even as we write.
BTW, "all due speed" is fine. What I'm concerned about is "all due haste," which they've used to great effectiveness (for them) in the past. But, then, you knew that.

Teresa, thanks for the 'upper' --- did you notice the last paragraph:

"Only 47 percent of respondents in the recent poll said they were very satisfied that their vote would be counted correctly this time, and only one in five said they were very confident the new touch-screen technology would alleviate Florida's election woes."

You're right, Shylurker, DeLay has his fingers in the pie... that hideaway in Crawford makes all sort of mischief accessible, doesn't it? You can fall on your face, off your bike... pose for sleazy political ads... practice speaking coherently (and practice and practice)... oh well...

WV, have you seen Kurt Vonnegut's latest? It's a beaut!
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/
i_love_you_madame_librarian/

Namste

In an obvious slam at Kerry, CNN wants to know if you think sensitivity is important in the war on terra? Or whatever. Go vote.

http://edition.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/wolf.blitzer.reports/

I am personally freaking about what's going to happen at the RNC in a few weeks. It's obvious that the law is daring people to step out of line and inviting violence through their lock~down martial law tactics. They're going to try the same tactics Pallas 18 described only more extreme and there are going to be so many people that see this as THE moment to protest all *ush stands for. Looks to me like the biggest powderkeg waiting to go off I've ever seen in my lifetime.

The one thing I am grateful for is that the DNC went off as successfully as it did. People are going to naturally compare the two conventions in their minds as representative of the parties and as I see it there is no way the Democrats will not end up looking better by comparison. There sure as hell weren't 50,000 people flooding the streets screaming bloody murder that John Kerry and John Edwards are smiling too much for the good of the world. I am going to be praying every night for the safety of everyone in NYC, from every protester, to every resident, even to the low~down rat~bastard neocons. I see two sides daring the other to step out of line, both sides convinced of their righteousness and both sides itching to crack some skulls. Heaven help us all...
Namaste~
~D

Dommael, it's the provocateurs that are most worrisome. They usually show up costumed as anarchists, including black ski masks, watch caps, etc. Once they are set in motion, the cops declare things out of control and charge. I've seen it happen over and over again, including in Seattle.

I'm embarrassed, but I don't know whether it was Timothy or Dave or someone else, but just a few articles back someone posted about the demo they had attended. The protestors held themselves together, sitting on the pavement, arms linked and chanting over and over again "No violence," "No violence," "No violence," while the police charged and charged at them (and their giant balloon). Nothing like the sound of one of those batons hitting the human skull. If that doesn't work, they apply the gas as a further stimulant to making you move. Aw, I gotta hang up on this now.

Here is a press release about the 861 million dollars to help 25 states for the Help America Vote campaign - for anyone interested.
www.verifiedvoting.org/article.asp?id=2440

Try this: http://www.verifiedvoting.org/article.asp?id=2440

Such a timely and interesting article Isabelle! I so appreciate the history...and the possibilities. Thank you so much for the good work, and to Sally for hosting such fine astrologers, and fiesty commenters.

So It Has Come To This

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/12/opinion/12lith.html

H.R. 2239/S.1980 for fair voting (paper trail) was introduced 5/2003. We can contact our reps. and ask them to get on this bill asap. All the campaigning in the world, and good poll numbers, and officials overseeing the voting will not help us if the tampering is alowed to go on. Paper trails should be mandatory. How all these reps can be undecided is beyond me. See where they stand in your own state and contact your officials to demand a paper trail.
http://www.verifiedvoting.org/fair_elections.asp

A new poster at DU claims to be a Democratic strategist. His or her first thread http://tinyurl.com/72czy met with some skepticism, but later Will Pitt stepped in http://tinyurl.com/4l7eq with an endorsement.

'Dem_Strategist' first post:

First: I am a Democratic Strategist. I will reveal my identity immediately following the election.

I will be posting here and starting a blog to help guide online activists.

John Kerry's chief opponent is NOT George Bush. It's the media. And you can help defeat Bush by doing everything in your power to fight media spin.

One of the ways to do it is to help promote and support the kinds of websites that Paul Krugman featured in a New York Times op-ed last week: Media Matters, Daily Howler, Campaign Desk, and so on.

Another is to join forces here and form your own media watchdog group.

Another is to join John Kerry's Media Corps.

Another is to start your own website listing media transgressions and linking to other such sites. (Form a webring.)

Another is to come up with creative ideas about how to counter media spin and sharing those ideas here.

This is the first step. The next discussion we should have is about the one-dimensional responses to the Kerry-Edwards strategy. Some of you are playing checkers while Kerry is playing chess.

I will provide you with some insight into the thinking behind individual decisions.

Let's talk.

John Kerry's Vietnam Service Timeline
http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/service_timeline.html

John Kerry's Vietnam Service Timeline
http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/service_timeline.html

Beverly, thanks for the links and info... it's very useful...

Question for all:
Why is it Kerry and Edwards campaign without zones for free speech... and Bush hides behind a WALL of security? Why is NYC becoming a fortress for the RNC three weeks yet away?

Dommael,
I share your concerns... but the people have got to speak out... Kos has a huge diary on this very thing... with some Demos advocating the protestors stay at home... when you look at our country today, we have no freedom, no liberty... our vote will probably not count... when should we protest? After Nov. 2nd, when it is again too late? There's a group organizing to stand against the possible theft of this election on Nov. 3rd, if it comes to that.

Do you know the name of the group?

Now CNN wants to know if you'd vote for someone who's gay. What ever would we do without our entertaining news media? Go vote.

http://www.cnn.com/

Remember everyone marching in NYC: dress up as a Republican because the only press you'll get will be on TV with cameras rolling on cops beating the crowd.
It is important to give the American public a view of what Bushie is capable of when he is total dictator. Not only beat the peaceniks but their own kind too.
Women dress ala Mrs June Cleaver, with apron, pearls, ballet flats, and don't forget to clink a pancake spatula against a spoon. GW hates those clinks.

I think a silent procession of people dressed as dead/wounded Iraquis would be upsetting.

I also heard that NYers can drape a flag out of their window that says 'Republicans Go Home'. You can see my friend's terrace from the Brooklyn Bridge and we are thinking of doing a gigantic sign...or a giant OM in Sanskrit.

John Kerry's chief opponent is NOT George Bush. It's the media.

Why not protest the media? Why not stand outside their doors, in their face and demand action? See how their advertisers like it. May be the individuals that work for these rags need to see that "we the people" will hold them accountable. We need to remind them that WE own the airwaves - they are only leasing them! Let's take back our airwaves!!

I would be there abilene.

David Brock of Media Matters has a Hollywood Squares type video featuring Rush, Savage, Annthrax, O'Really?,....

 http://mediamatters.org/static/2Slv0Q2TisinTXZ14pN5RM/rws.html

Millions of Republicans voted for someone who is
gay in 2000.

Yes, Jo I have a copy of the Vonnegut speech...

DeLay has the brownshirts...Ashcroft the SS

Betty Bowers has the 'inside' scoop...

http://www.bettybowers.com/isbushgay.html

James McGreevey Birth data

08.06.1957 Jersey City, NJ NBT (12:00pm)

Jo

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/vonnegut.htm

South Carolina a fundamentalist state???

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/US/GoodMorningAmerica/christian_exodus_040812.html

WV,
Heard about this group a while back, at Kos... think I talked about it here... South Carolina has its share of fundies... but there are already enough folks from all over the country retiring here to change the political climate... to Repub in the last couple of decades... It appears though that Dubya has turned off a lot of Repubs here... they may go fishing on Nov. 2nd... As for those folks moving in, they may not find the climate to their liking!

Namaste

Shylurker,
There's no name, just a email address... I'll send it to you.

Peace

Gov. McGreevey,s natal Sun degree was hit by a transiting Neptune opposition. All Leos who are born in early August are having their lives turned inside out by scandal or failure. Martha Stewart is also a good example of the troubles Neptune can create. Her birthday is August 3. The Gov. of NJ also has Venus 45 Neptune which shows that his marriage was not exactly as it appeared. Starman

Starman!! Long time no see! Do you still feel Bush will win this election? I would be curious to know your thoughts.

must be nice to have so much money that you
can throw it away....

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/printer_081304V.shtml

Hurricane Charley is geared to hit down on my county, Pinellas County, Florida, tonight at 8:00 p.m. or thereabouts. I am not in an evacuation area so probably the worst that will happen is we will lose our electricity, water, etc. They say it could be the worst storm in 50 years here, but then again it could be a dud. Depends which way the wind blows, literally.

I had a quick look at my chart, the Sun at 23 Leo is right in between my Pluto/Mars conjunction in the 9th house (which is 22 and 24 Leo respectively). That kinda floored me. Do you think I should hit the road and get outta here?? lol

Goss: I am not fit to head the CIA...

http://film.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4992605-3156,00.html

Laurie, I wish I could answer you. What are the other aspects?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5694670/

U.S. trade deficit widens, hitting a record
Biggest exports drop in three years, record imports reported

FOCUS - Newsweek: Will Goss Turn the CIA Loose on Americans?
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/081404Z.shtml

I’ve got a cute story. My girlfriend, her daughter and I are going to see John Edwards tonight at a local school. When I was making arrangements to get tickets, I asked my husband if he wanted to go. He said, “Oh, I don’t want to go see that guy.” I thought the way he said it was a little harsh but decided not to make an issue of it. Last night, he asks me what I’m going to ask John Edwards. I said I doubted that I would be able to get that close to him. Then he asked, “why are you going then?” I looked at him funny and said because I want to show my support for him and Kerry. He said, “Ohhh, that John Edwards. I thought you were going to the psychic.” I said no, that’s John Edward NOT Edwards. I think he’s a little disappointed he’s not going.

Jo: I also would like to have that e-mail address for the group that is forming to protest any possible election fraud.

Keying in on the games in Athens, President Bush's campaign unveiled a new television ad Friday touting "two more free nations" and "two fewer terrorists regimes," part of a $28 million advertising effort for August.
-Washington Post

Oh yeah? Which ones would they be??

Laurie,
I hope you have moved to higher ground... Pinellas County is no place to be with Charley coming...

Namaste

Jo,
I'm not saying people shouldn't protest, I'm just hoping the situation doesn't get out of hand. If I was anywhere closer than the furthest upper west corner you can live and still be in the continental United States I'd be right there in NCY with them. For anyone reading this that is going to protest know that you are representing so many people around the globe and that those of us that can't be there are keeping your safety first and foremost in our minds. This is the time to make a statement and to show the world that *ush does not represent us and we do not agree with his agenda. Thank gawd for the protestors and the activists, you are fighting the good fight.
Peace,
~D

Hey Astrofolk! Here are the dates for the Presidential debates. Still looking for the particulars..time, place. But here are the dates to play with:

"This year, Lehrer will moderate the first debate between President Bush (news - web sites) and Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry (news - web sites), scheduled for Sept. 30.

Gibson, co-anchor of ABC's "Good Morning America," will host the second debate, tentatively set for Oct. 8. Schieffer, CBS's chief Washington correspondent and moderator of "Face the Nation," will lead the third debate, slated for on Oct. 13.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&e=3&u=/ap/20040813/ap_on_el_pr/debate_moderators

Aha closer:

Presidential Debate Schedule

First presidential debate:
Thursday, September 30
University of Miami
Coral Gables, FL

Vice presidential debate:
Tuesday, October 5
Case Western Reserve University
Cleveland, OH

Second presidential debate:
Friday, October 8
Washington University
in St. Louis

Third presidential debate:
Wednesday, October 13
Arizona State University
Tempe, AZ

http://www.debates.org/

Dommael,
I think you misunderstood my comments... I was ventilating as usual (Geminis do that, to the excess!)... I 'heard' your concern for the safety of all those there during RNC ... I was actually commenting on those Kossacks who thought the best thing is NO protest... I agree with your concern... I concur with Shylurker's comments that even if all protestors are well behaved, someone outside the group will stir things up to have it appear the protestors deserve what the powers to be plan to dish out to them...

Morgana, thanks so much for the posts re debates. Do you remember the good old days when the League of Women Voters hosted these debates? Why do we have to have Jim and Charlie, both of whom represent Corporate America, read Fascist Corporatists, read biased toward Bush?! I don't watch the Lehrer program anymore, ever since Jim added David Brooks the Neocon, as the rep from the 'right' for Friday debates with Mark Shields. I wrote him well over 18 months ago about Brooks and his failure to announce his bias... he never responded... as for Charlie, well, in the words of Bob Edwards formerly of Morning Edition, he's just so much 'infotainment'... 'course MY bias is showing, I suppose... I think the rules of debate ought to reign, and the moderator should be someone neutral with a background in debate... not on this planet, though... Again, thanks Morgana...

Namaste

Right on, Jo. I had a feeling we were on the same wavelength, just checking...
Does anyone know the format for the debates yet? i.e., will there be time limits on the answers (which will help *ush) will the questions be provided beforehand, etc. Since the media are so heavily in bed whoring for the GOP I'm sure Kerry will have many elements slanted against him, but I'm sure he'll be able to mop the floor with the shrub. They say "never engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man" but in this case we'll make an exception!
Thanks Morgana, great to "see" you!
Namaste~
~D

....Fiore's latest....

http://www.sfgate.com/comics/fiore/

Would you astrologers please look at the Repug Convention from the protestors' point of view. I'm concerned for their safety. Many, many thanks.

Let's review. On June 29th Bremmer turned Iraq over to the Iraqis (so he said) and fled, with $$ unaccounted for... so, does that mean the US military is currently attacking a free and sovereign country... destroying its holiest shrines and sites? Our troops are still dying... and for what this time? Sadaam is in custody...

It's Friday, and America sleeps through the weekend so the military can do its thing, right, and nobody notices? So it seems...

Innocent Iraqis are still dying... children are still dying and being maimed, while others are still detained, tortured and raped... now comes a report from the Army saying that more revelations are yet to come at the end of the month... when their completed report is made public...

http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040812/REPOSITORY/408120378/1013/NEWS03

Namaste

Shylurker, one cannot look from the protestors point of view without the day of their formation and the groups protesting aren't a rag tag team, they have and organization. A convention might show violence, but from where? The Police and Fire Union is threatening a strike that week, if the National Guard is called in there could be clashes between those groups or between protestors and National Guard or there could be a pre-programmed terror attack. The energy could go absolutely anywhere. Protestors are "the People" or representative of "the People" and there is nothing to the US Moon from the convention, however I will take a closer look at the progressions of the US chart related to the convention aspects.

As for the debates, they should actually favor Kerry. Timing is everything in astrology, it doesn't matter who the person is and Jupiter is coming to Kerry's mid-heaven in October. That's a time when he could stand up and say blah, blah, blah and people will see him as fantastic, even if he sounds like an idiot. By the same token, the end of August and into September with so many planets in Virgo squaring his Sag and Gemini he is going to go through a very tough time, so don't get discouraged because it all turns around for him in October.

End of August into September, Kerry might show signs of running away with this elections, when the smear machine of rowe,shrub and the lowest gang may start some big negative ad to bring down
Kerry hoping to give a tough time but will turn
around in October as well strategized Kerry and Edwards will whallop shrub and cheny in their respective debates to cruise through the elections
in Novemeber on a LANDSLIDE!

Raj, a landslide is my secret dream. I so want the neo-cons to find out that they are NOT part of the mainstream of Americans and have them drown in their own slime. My hope is Americans will decide they don't want to be a part of this sickness and insanity.

i have a new nominee for the most incompetent person in the US government. it occurred to me when i saw our marines searching for Mookie Tater in some hut in Najaf. george bush looked like he had a lock on bozo of the new era. but i'd like to toss the name paul bremmer in the ring. why? he disbanded the iraqi army allowing total chaos to follow, chaos we're still dealing with. we'd bribed the generals prior to the war. why not let the soldiers stay? it would have made a huge difference. second, he cancelled local elections his brief-lived predecessor scheduled letting the iraqi people know we are not serious about democracy. WHAT A MORON. his incompetence is vastly underated.

abilene, hilarious story. i agree w/you husband on the 'psychic' john edwards. very funny.

Sally, thanks ever so much for responding. And, Raj, your analyses-in-a-nutshell are also very comforting. Heck, I'd take a simple majority I'm so sick of this mess we're in.

So, from Western and Vedic, good blue news.

Dontcha think, Mr. Mike, that Bremer was just "following orders"? That money went somewhere and I wish I had some confidence that someday we'll know where it went. (I also wish I had some confidence that someday we'll know about those "put" options immediately before that eleventh day of September a few years ago.)

Blue cheer to all!

shylurker, i was worried. someone named 'shylurer' posted at 12:59. are you posessed.

ok, this is random but, despite loathing pres. reagan's politics, i do like nancy (a socially conscious, savy marie antoinette!). there is all this garbage about her endorsing bush. here is what they had on the white house web page to indicate just how strong her support is. the text in [] is the real conversation.

Remarks by the President Mrs. Reagan and Mrs. Bush in a Photo Opportunity
The Reagan Home
Bel Air, California 8/12/04

2:37 P.M. PDT

Bush: Laura and I are honored to come by and pay our respects to Mrs. Reagan. We really admire Mrs. Reagan's strength and her love of a great President, and her friendship. We really thank you for the tour of your beautiful backyard. (Laughter.) [please, please endorse me in person]
MRS. REAGAN: I'm so glad you came -- so glad you came. Thanks so much. [stop talking about me in the third person you idiot]
PRESIDENT BUSH: Thank you. [i may be dumb but i'm not old, please, just say, 'i support you']
MRS. BUSH: Thanks so much. [not on your life butt head!]
MRS. REAGAN: I'm always happy to see you. [do you actually sleep with this clown?]
MRS. BUSH: Thank you very much. [twice]
MRS. REAGAN: And you met Duchess. [keep your hands off my dog, you pervert]
THE PRESIDENT: And I met Duchess. [nice, oh, so very nice]
MRS. REAGAN: You met Duchess. [when will they leave]
MRS. BUSH: That's right. [yeah, and the dogs a lot smarter than the dumbass i married]
THE PRESIDENT: Thank you all. [but not you nancy, you snob. just say yes to bush]
MRS. BUSH: Thanks, everybody. [i'm getting one of those, 'i'm with stupid tee shirts for the next photo opp]

END 2:38 P.M. PDT

Glad to say that Charley didn't even hit my area, we were very lucky, it turned right and hit down 80 miles south of here. However, in my glee, I feel extremely sorry for the people that got the hit as I'm sure they weren't as well prepared as we were.

I'm sure we'll hear some horror stories!

Very good, Mike!

Yeah, I guess I was overtaken by my vamp persona up on 12:59.

Laurie,
Glad to hear you're safe...

The President Kerry ralley here today in Portland OR was HUGE! 25,000+/- down at the River Parks!! There was music, joy, smiling faces, t-shirts galore, folks enjoying the sun!! Know how many came out to protest for bushaholic? Well, I'll tell you... Four.

Then, *ush was yammering at nearby wealthy school dist in Beaverton... had to have tickets... well, & there were all those other rules/regs, darth vaders, & horror movie heavy "security" so that prissy phobic little bushadruggie could TOLERATE the public. Very butt-pinched/tight affair. Very few people. What's more, he was lying about how wonderful is the economy when Portland just got news that they'd lost a HUGE shipping contract today.

I'm thinking that some progressives ALSO drink the Kool-Aid--apparently believing in the propoganda--or they wouldn't act so worried. Fear brings in money both sides, you know. Contrary to the "news media," the People LOATHE bush! They're going to go right on LOATHING bush no matter what this or that pundit says from no matter what "news" source. Know what else?!? President Kerry & Ms Kerry et al are SANE... & not only SANE, but good & very bright smart people with a SANE, bright, smart agenda! I'm very, very happy with the massive energy field I've felt today. Billowing refreshing enlightening healing happifying BLUE!!!! ;O)

Oh, Joanna,
how refreshing to hear your words...So, true! I know in my gut how upset folks are with him... then I read some pundit (who btw puts his trousers on the same way the next guy does) and I feel the fear creeping in... I spend so much energy keeping the fear at bay...

So glad to hear about the crowds in Portland... saw good reports at Kos, but so much better to hear it first hand... thank you!

Glad to see that the US athletes got a rousing cheer at the Olympic opening ceremony. Whay were so many in America hoping they would get booed?

Also having seen the coverage from a few different perspectives (UK, Caribbean and then NBC) it was disturbing that the US coverage focused almost entirely on security issues and not on the games.

will any of you in FL volunteer to go over to Disney World and discipline my daughter once the storm passes? she and her boyfriend flew into Orlando today for a stay at disney and then st. pete. she called at 8:00 and said she was just fine and that she wouldn't be speaking to me until after the storm passed. now she won't answer the phone. aaaaaaaaaaaaa!

JoannaO, how wonderful to hear about Kerry in O! Go-Go-Go Oregon!

Oh, dear Mr. Mike. I'm sure many of us here and sending strongest vibes for your daughter's safety and for her to CALL HOME!

discipline alert called off. exhalted ruler of the univers deigns to pick up her phone. free at last. thanks for the vibes! nite

This group is trying to reimpose integrity in the news media. Please go to their site and lend your support.
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=139-08132004

JoannaOregon,
Even a bigger crowd than first estimated!!!! Go Oregon

-CANDIDATES CROSS PATHS IN OREGON-
Bush, Kerry Vie for Swing State's Votes

Washington Post Staff Writers

A Crowd that authorities estimated at close to 40,000 gathered along this city's Willamette River for an outdoor rally for Kerry. Throughout the day, the Democrat seized on a new congressional study indicating the middle-class tax burden has risen under Bush while the rich reaped the largest gains under his tax cuts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63843-2004Aug13.html

I re-read this from time to time, you guys. It always gives me perspective... this material from the early 90s. Very perceptive folks. http://www.eoni.com/~visionquest/library/earthmind1.html

Hi folks!

I'm back. Thanks to the good old retrograde Mercury, my computer's motherboard exploded. Ya'll probably think I'm kidding, but it's true. There was a little mushroom cloud and everything. So I just got me a new computer. It's widescreen, so now I can pay attention to astrology without those irritating black bars at the top and bottom of my screen. Ha ha!

Anyway, things are looking good in Michigan. We had our primary last week. In one of the counties in my district, in every contested primary where an incumbent was running, the incumbent lost. Just something for you all to meditate on.

I'll check back later. I have lots of updates I need to download.

Oh Mike, I am so happy to hear that I don't have the only insane daughter on the planet. She too flew to Florida to see a friend today. I asked her not to go, and she said "Mom, you are scaring me, you are freaking me out." A friend of mine said to tell her that I'm not the one flying into the eye of a hurricane. She called to say she arrived safe and sound but I haven't heard a peep since then. Is your daughter an Aries by any chance, or Leo or Sagittarius (Sun or Moon)

Mars, I did think the US athletes would be booed and they may still be, but I was very happy to see the Olympics to once again work their magic on the youth from many nations. We really should try harder to follow the examples of the young a little more often.

Mygoodness, KAP! Twice the folks to the Kerry Ralley. Incredible! Right before our eyes is the living manifestation of collective spiritual crisis... the embodied humanbecoming evil clumping apart/away from the sane/normal.

Hearing stories like this KAP makes me think there is a possibility of a landslide, oh that would be so sweet. I read an astrologer who said Uranus retrograde in the 10th house on Election Day meant that the status quo would be preserved, I am counting on the energy playing out as a return of what was lost in 2000.

Molly Ivens continues to keep track of all the hidden dirty laundry. Not suppositions but the facts of what we can see.

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=17468

and another example of winning the hearts and minds of the rest of the world.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1521&e=11&u=/afp/oly_2004_usa_iraq_truce

BREAKING: US Trade Gap Explodes to Record in June
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/081404W.shtml

Sally, synchronicity. 7/25/83 Virgo rising, Acquarius moon, n. node right on top of Gemeni MH. They're probably sitting together in a club saying 'my [mother/father] is so lame. he/she actually wanted me to delay my flight because of the huricane. geez!' you know that dismissing concerns about a natural disaster and surviving will provide a *lifetime* of justifications and rationales for ignoring just about anything they want to ignore from the parental unit: 'oh yeah, just like you said about the huricane.'

Sally,
My husband keeps telling me that he feels a Kerry/Edwards landslide brewing in the ethers over America. He feels the mainstream media is down playing or failing to report the large and growing grass root support for Kerry/Edwards. A landslide would be my dream come true!!! In the mean time I keep asking myself how will I possibly be able to accept four more years of Bush if he and the neo-con thugs succeed in winning this election. How will I be able to cope with their unending wars, young Americans killing and being killed, torturing and being tortured. How can I continue to witness the greed of Halliburton gobbling up American tax dollars that have been diverted from desperately needed domestic programs and the shift by the religious right towards a theocracy? How will I be able to stomach the endless laundry list of corruption and continued malfeasance? Will enough Americans wake-up and see the light before the election? I sure hope so or I'm afaid America might have and up rising on it's hands.

oh mike! my heart goes out to you! glad to hear she's safe, fearless and confident!

KAP, I fully concur...

Mike, glad your daughter is safe and communicating!

Sally, hope you hear from your daughter very soon. And yes, we should listen to the young more often, except when they fly into the eye of a storm! (metaphorically speaking, of course!)

And you folks in Florida:
We hope you are all safe and sound and Charley did not do too much damage. Methinks Jeb Bush has done more damage, and is continuing to do so. In light of that, my question is: When the heck are you going to throw the rascal out! Can you recall the bum? He's an out and out dictator, even worse than his bro [after all, he was part of the original Neo-con committee that brought Dubya into national politics... 'course their Dad provided the sperm that spawned that entire mess probably beginning in the Nixon years (literally and figuratively!)] So what gives? Y'all just goin sit and allow that sleeze to remain in power?

Namaste

....August surprise!!!

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/117d14c8-ed63-11d8-a587-00000e2511c8.html

Frightening...you could be next..or your next
of kin...

http://www.halfpasthuman.com/HPHBASTARD.htm

Mike,
Glad to hear your youngin' is ok.

Can you please email to me that adorable RNC schedule. I want to pass it around.
Love your humor.

on aljazera it's being said that the 70,000 troops are going to be moved into iraq...? could just be a rumor but they said it was leaked.

THAT'S an odd one, wv, yes?! What do we make of that?

Mike Malloy on Air America yesterday read a piece from Reuter's (I haven't looked for it yet) that said that Moslems in India... literally millions of them... had issued a Death to all ameriCOs edict. Mebbe that has something to do with it... the fact that millions & millions of people were out to "juice" bushadruggie.

Well, I'll tell you what I make of it...
prior to the invasion, Germans were demanding that American military be removed from their land. They have been there over 50 years and the troops (some anyway) were a menace to their women. [I can't find the link at the moment, but I'm sure you can google up info on alleged rapes by troops of German women]. At the time Bush refused to remove the troops. Same thing with So. Korea, they were demanding removal of at least some to send a sign to No. Korea to decrease some of the hostile verbage coming from that area.

I find the following three sentences in the article to be interesting:

"Senior Pentagon officials emphasised that the move was not intended as a punishment for Germany's lack of support in the Iraq war." [methinketh the lady protests too much... MacBeth]

"...to include the 3,500-soldier brigade from South Korea, which was recently deployed to Iraq."

"The navy's European HQ, which has been in London since the second world war, will be moved to Naples."

I really don't know what to think about the 3rd, except that the Brits are disgusted with Bush and Blair is trying to hold onto his job, and the Italian PM is in bed with Bush administration...

Who knows?

But Rummy has been very quiet, sort of underground since Abu Ghraib, and it would appear the Pentagon (the military, not civilian aspect of it anyway) has always felt there were not enough 'boots on the ground' in Iraq... and given the fact that the insurgents are winning in Iraq... [if the occupiers are not winning in Iraq, they are losing; if the insurgents in Iraq are not losing, they are winning... the insurgents are not losing]

That's my 2 cents... plus

Namaste

KAP, I noticed on the news last night they replayed a clip from Bush's visit and the loud cheers from the 3 or 4 hundred he had (because he didn't make it public) but they did not let the loud cheers that had to go up for Kerry with 25,000 or so. It's little things like that, keeping the American people from seeing the ground-swell throughout the country.

Jo, I remember pulling troops out of S Korea being discussed a couple or three years ago, I don't remember if Germany was part of that discussion and you are sure right, rummy has not been around and very quiet. I read a few weeks ago that one of his aides repeated a statement that Rummy says he was out in Jan. no matter who won. Don't know if that's true but the "unification team" seems to be breaking up

Rummy keeping a low public profile - making non-public appearances around the country. He is coming to our town next week by secret invite to speak to Army brass here .. not being made public in any way and not even written in our newspapers. It's a quick in-and-out of town thing that is a pep talk for the army elite that I only know about because of contacts at the arsenal here.

....worth pondering.....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A64028-2004Aug13?language=printer

KAP, You also think it is going to be more like a
landslide for Kerry, just like me.I also agree that the mainstream media is downplaying it because contrary to what the repugs say the corporate media is on the repugs/cons side and would always underplay Kerry/Edwards' strengths and shrub/cheny's weakness; it is so deplorable of this rotten main media.But anyway, what is destined to happen will happen, whether the media likes it or not, as long as we all excercise our WILL and vote.

what bloody arrogance.....

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/printer_081504Y.shtml

WV, re your link to truthout article, perhaps it is Mr. Powell's thinking that needs revising? Live through two atomic bombs and see what your view toward war would be...

Steady leadership in times of change ...

I have told my staff, I want full cooperation with the Justice Department. And when they ask for information, we expect the information to be delivered on a timely basis. I expect it to be delivered on a timely basis. I want there to be full participation, because ... I am most interested in finding out the truth.

-- George W. Bush, 10/06/03

In January, Justice Department investigators asked White House staff members to sign a waiver requesting "that no member of the news media assert any privilege or refuse to answer any questions from federal law enforcement authorities on my behalf or for my benefit." But in February the Washington Post reported, "Most officials declined to sign the form on the advice of their attorneys."

-- Salon, 8/13/04

No wonder he can't get our allies to do anything he wants them to do.

[Special thanks to TPM reader BG.]

-- Josh Marshall http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com

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Downthread Josh discusses a piece from Slate re the mess in Najaf... sounds as if both are saying we need some of the "sensitivity" Kerry was speaking of... you know, the very thing Cheney was denouncing... If you continue to think the only way to bring about change in a situation is with guns and bombs, well, then... perhaps a little pacification is not such a bad thing? Right? No, the 'right' would never agree to that!

Namaste

* Kerry gets a rousing welcome in Portland http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-7/1092448146228010.xml&storylist=orlocal

Jo,

this is Jebbie's last term, because of term limits. So, goodbye gov. mansion and onward and upward, blah, blah. Don't know what he has planned for after 2006, but no doubt something good for him and bad for the citizens.

Re the Japanese--I remember after WW II we were especially anxious to ensure that they would not engage in any military activities. There were many pacifists in Japan, of course, but there was also a very strong military culture and we didn't want to worry about a Japanese military presence following its own agenda in Asia. The Germans were another story--we couldn't wait to get them rearmed to confront the Soviet Union. But the young Germans were more cautious and wise than our leaders expected.

Thank you, Isabelle, I wish we could all enjoy a Sacred Armistice for all the Sacred Earth.

Sorry, that was me--Barbara--talking about after WW 11, etc.

attention, colin powell in drag alert (you have to look at this one):

go to this link

http://www.livejournal.com/users/insomnia/433627.html

and click on "It's located here"

OMDearG this is some little ritual they do at these asian summits, sort of a karayoki stunt, to show the leaders are down to earth. powell has no dignity whatsoever.

Mike, Colin NEVER had any dignity in the first place. He's turned his back on those like him and has joined a party that wants to demolish any rights for people of color.

Janet, I'm not sure they distingwish between color when it comes to removing rights. I think we are all equally in danger of becoming serfs. Sigh.

They are not the majority, and we had all better prove it to them.

I just finished listening to Bill Moyers Keynote speech at:INEQUALITY.ORG. Just scroll down and click on video---If you don't do anything else--listen to this speech!!!!

Bill Moyers, Keynote Speech---June 3, 2004

What's "The middle class and working poor are told that what's happening to them is the consequence of Adam Smith's 'Invisible Hand.' This is a lie. happening to them is the direct consequence of corporate activism, intellectual propaganda, the rise of a religious orthodoxy that in its hunger for government subsidies has made an idol of power, and a string of political decisions favoring the powerful and the privileged who bought the political system right out from under us."
http://www.inequality.org/conferencematerials.html

Joanna,
Thanks so much for the link to the earthmind articles... I find them to be very thought-provoking... and calming... highly recommend them (upthread)to all...

bhakti,
please take care during the RNC convention... we all love you and want you to be safe... we are there in spirit with you and send lots of light daily to you... there are others on this board who live in the NYC area also I am sure... I just can't remember all... Jonathan? anyway, light daily to all in NYC... you have suffered enough, let the protests and the protestors remain steadfast and calm, safe...

Namaste

Kerry Leading Bush in Key Swing States

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Although polls show the US presidential race a virtual dead heat, Democrat John Kerry appears to be gaining an edge over George W. Bush among the key states that could decide the outcome.

---- Voter surveys show Bush and Kerry running even. A Pew Research Center poll released Thursday put Kerry ahead 47-45 percent while a Gallup study Friday had Bush on top 48-47 percent, both margins statistically insignificant.

Thanks for the love, Jo I feel your beams on me. I'm fence sitting re the march. It all depends on the location. My best friend who is 78 is marching, which puts me to shame. I might march with her crew. My other friend and I are trying to get permission to drape a giant sign on the side of his building, he has a penthouse (not big) apt with a terrace that faces the Brookyln Bridge."RNC Go Home'. You'd definitely see it from the bridge. Here in Brooklyn people are using their roof tops with giant signs for the people who are flying into town to see. Hopefully Air Force One. I always see the helicopters from my window that the President flies into town on. With good binoculars you can see them at the heliport. (Spit, pew, snork, gag). I had enough of all this during 911. My signs might say: I saw 911 with my own eyes, Go Home! Or Ground Zero is not a tourist attraction, go home! I heard a woman drew a swatstika on her handbag and close up it said 'Vote Republican'. However, I think the best most cleverest is the Billionares for Bush troop (who by the way are looking for volunteers NYC people). They dress up in gowns, tux's, gold chains with giant $ medalians. They have funny slogans like :4 More Wars, Leave No Billionaire Behind.
Will let you all know how it goes. I too am feeling apprehensive and need my left hand to paint and draw and not in a sling.

I live in NYC here in the Village, bhakti, and have no plans to get enmeshed in what is surely to be a chaotic and probably violent mess in Midtown. I've never been one to march. I prefer to work with those politicians who I agree with and get good, quality people elected to represent me in the House and Senate. I admire and deeply respect those who do put their views on display and their physical bodies in danger. It's just not how I choose to express myself. :-)

If you're in NYC ... please stay safe!!!!

PatC, valid point.

as shylurker says, "go vote". this is my little mischief.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x622769

as shylurker says, go vote (my little mischief)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x622769

YOU GO, SENATOR HARKIN!!! http://www.wcfcourier.com/articles/2004/08/14/news/breaking_news/0dff4c5470efba8a86256ef00074d537.txt

I hope nobody on this thread believes for a moment that Sen Kerry & bushite are "running neck to neck!" Faux polls will yammer such criminal nonsense so that when bushadeserter kicks in the "voting machines," they hope the results will not be questioned. MOST folks, thruout the World, do not accept having their lives "invaded, tortured & ruled" by an alkie criminal at al. Case Closed. ;O)

excellent point joanna!!!!! (love Harkin)

here is something that should make you and everybody else happy (from the pollster with the best track record over two decades in presidential contexts:

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=851

blue cheer to all, going out to comune with nature

Joanna,
You're absolutely 'keyrect' about the wrongness of the polls! South Carolina Repubs are virtually in hiding -- business at Demo hdqtrs. in our pro-Repub County is UP, and growing every day! South Carolina is bluish/purple and looking better for Kerry every day... as for the rest of the country, DailyKos gives some good poll numbers... the wire service above is in total denial...! As we know the media is mouthpiece for Repugs... and you're right, they need that meme "too close to call" in order to steal it... I don't know how we get the message to the people that Bush is lower than low in the polls and 'dead heat' is a lie...

You go Joanna... they're lying through their teeth...

bhakti, I love the rooftop signs! Even folks in a bubble have to read those! Stay safe.

Jonathan, I thought you also live in NYC... glad you will be safe, away from the action...

that was a good idea. I just went to CNN and the only mention I could find of Kerry was negative, a report on something cheney said. So I complained

Just checked Kos:
National Poll: Zogby has K/E up 50-43 over B/C
by DemFromCT
Sun Aug 15th, 2004 at 20:48:04 GMT

Zogby America (telephone, NOT internet) results here, trends here.
ZRA 8/12-14 (July w/o running mate)

Kerry-Edwards 50 (47)
Bush-Cheney 43 (43)

Massachusetts Senator John Kerry is favored over President George W. Bush (47%-43%) among likely voters when Ralph Nader, Libertarian, Constitution and Green Party presidential candidates are factored into the 2004 presidential race, according to a new Zogby America poll.

See more on this at:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/8/15/16484/8251

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Keep in mind that Zogby leans to the right, and it's a 'tracking poll' so results are always couple of days behind... one problem I have with this article is that Zogby's graph shows B/C in Blue, and as you know "BLUE" is us, BLUE is Kerry!
They need to change their colors! My point is, Zogby is usually the lower of the poll numbers... for Kerry... except of course for Gallup, which is definitely pro-Bush... Namaste

Just picked this up from a Guardian article on protests at the RNC:

"Police will have 'non-lethal' weapons such as tasers (electric stun guns), plastic bullets and pepper spray. Any illegal protest is expected to be cracked down on immediately."

Stun Guns? Plastic bullets? Pepper Spray? These are non-lethal? No wonder this is such a violent country... Guess we're supposed to kiss 'free' speech goodbye?!

Question: If Dubya can't move among the people now with his 700+ personal bodyguards and F-16s, what will he do when he leaves the White House in January?

Namaste

....interesting...Karen Kwiatkowski...

http://www.lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski86.html

Jo

In most of the world Blue is Conservative/Right
and Red is Liberal/Left....I have always wondered
how our media got it wrong. However, since they
get practically everything wrong....

Well, I'll swan. I rekkin y'all forgot, but I posted this website some time ago. Great graphics--and he uses blue cheer versus rabid red.

http://www.pollkatz.homestead.com/

I guess I better check my voter registration because I just got a call from the bush/cheney camp asking if I want free tickets to their rally on the 18th. Saw John Edwards on Friday and he was great. My girlfriend and her daughter got to shake his hand. Really nice guy!

Abilene,
If your stomach can handle it, I would love to hear firsthand what goes on at the Repub rally.

bhakti, I know what you mean. The main thing that stops me is the loyality pledge. I'm trying to figure out if I would gain any insight by going. I've got a couple of days to decide. So what do you all think? I should go and sign the loyality pledge? I'd really appreciate your comments.

If you sign the pledge do you have to use your real name? Do they check your ID? You can you cross your fingers while signing the pledge ;-) Besides loyalty- schmoalty Repugs lies all over the place. It's just a piece of paper, unless they check up on your ID and throw you into Guantanamo if they found out you lied.

My 2 cents Abilene? NO way would I go... I can't watch the guy on TV and scroll past his image on the internet... don't want to be near his aura... or the energy of that crowd...

Imagine telling you you have FREE tickets! Why the heck would you have to pay to see him?

A loyalty oath? Get outa here? He's a traitor to the Constitution of this country... the one he took an oath to uphold... before that, he stole the office... Loyal to him? No way...

Just my 2 cents...

Namaste

This is hilarious.

http://raptureready.com/rap2.html

This is hilarious.

http://raptureready.com/rap2.html

Each of the debates will start at 9 PM, EST. This information along with the format of the debates and other information may be found here:

http://www.debates.org/pages/news_040813.html

bob

The correct scheduled time for the debates is 9 PM, EDT, not EST. My apologies for the mistake.

bob

Terrorism Fears No Longer Helping Bush--Study Finds

By: Debra Pickett---Staff Reporter
August 12, 2004

A new study reveals a surprising twist on the conventional wisdom about November's presidential election: While political pundits seem to agree that news of terrorist threats and other dangers from abroad is good news for President Bush's re-election bid, the opposite might be true.

Michigan State University political science professors Darren W. Davis and Brian D. Silver say their study found that the more worried people are about the possibility of another terrorist attack, the more likely they are to vote for John Kerry. The research will be presented at a meeting of political scientists in Chicago next month.

The professors have been tracking Americans' attitudes about politics, civil liberties and security in a series of national and Michigan-wide surveys since 2001.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-fear12.html

I asked Kos not to show the B/C figures in Blue anymore since some of us are visualizing Kerry in Blue states and Blue across the country... and there were about 8 replies... they are saying that the incumbent will be shown on networks in Blue and challenger in Red... have any of you heard this? Joanna, help me out here...

Namaste

just when i'm "locked, loaded, and rapture ready" (thanks shylurker) i read KAPs link and figure now peace is about to break out. the grand wizard of OZ, Karl R., will have to change the tune from heavy metal to montovani. god, i was just getting into that rapture thing. i liked the article, 'whould jesus vote republican?' i havn't even figured out what car jesus would drive (an Izetta with upgraded trim?).

sally, i have a question. when my astro-dude goes through my transits, he'll say, oh, those don't apply to you (like addictions or violence). you'll just be running into more of that in your work (which involves seeing lots of people). on the kerry stuff in virgo, could that reflect what will be happening around him rather than to him; the issues he's talking about rather than the ones that impact him? i have not the least idea how you make this distinction as an astrologer (which i'm obviously not).

blue cheer

Yes Mike it could be events around him but I have some concerns when Mars squares his Mars (10 Gemini) and his progressed Mars, that's going to be a hummer and could absolutely involve an event for him. Mars will also be squaring Edwards Moon and Jupiter at about the same time, some flare ups I expect, angry words coming from either or of them. Usually a square indicates action or problems created by yourself, while an opposition can be action coming from or going toward a person.

Jupiter has squared his Sun already (over confidence) and will be squaring his Saturn at the same time Mars squares his Mars and Progressed Mars. I know this sounds complicated but at the same time Mars sqs Kerry's Mars it will be conj. Bush Mars and his progressed Sun, maybe a war of words but both their b.... will be on the line with this one.

thanks!!!!! the square/opposition thing makes perfect sense. it was a neptune opposition that my astro guy was referring to.

can't wait for the clash. they could do it through surrogates: chris matthews=kerry; o'liely=bush...'don't say shut up when i'm talking over you'

hope your daughter is just fine and on the phone with you. no sleep-overs for a month if she doesn't (lol).

She just returned about 20 minutes ago and I feel greatly relieved. How about your daughter?

I noticed that the talking heads are beginning to tighten the rope around Kerry's neck, well let em, while they are concentrating on squeezing the life out of Kerry/Edwards they will miss their guy with the noose around his neck by October. However, I will say again, I don't think either of the candidates are safe physically or scandal until after Oct. 10th. I do not understand Kerry's comment that he would have still voted for war even if he knew then what he knows now. His "let's take the high road George" doesn't ring true to me, and I keep wondering if he is running scared of something.

This brought a chuckle to end my evening. The following article was on Buzzflash under the title of "The GOP "Big Tent" is really like a small nut house."

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/2004/la-na-gopfight15aug15,1,7972565.story?coll=la-home-headlines

The Republicans have backed themselves into a corner on this one. The far-right is absolutely rabid on the subject and they have all but lost the majority of the American public. The Repugs cannot take it off the ballot and when you factor in the Gay Vote, and their friends and their families, and gays who haven't voted before, the Republicans are looking at a fairly large voting block. It's going to be hard to rally the gay Republican voting block if they don't handle this better than they have.

mars has been said to be "sex or strife" and so far the repugs just love to attack sexually...but with mars also hitting *ush, maybe something will come out about skull&bones that affects both of them in a negative way.
something else that sticks in my mind is the woman who came out to sue *ush and then mysteriously "Died", from texas, i think she was black...condi imagines he's her husband...there is something here but i can't quite get it.

Here is what a real banana republic looks like, and what is coming our way if the people behind the voting machines are allowed to steal our voting rights.

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=293&row=0

"DICK CHENEY, HUGO CHAVEZ AND BILL CLINTON'S BAND
Why Venezuela has Voted Again for Their 'Negro e Indio' President "

Viva Chavez!!!

Absolutely shylurker!!

Here is the long version, and well worth the read.

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=169&row=1

Venezuela and Argentina: A Tale of Two Coups

something worth considering....the questions
remain...

http://www.911inplanesite.com/

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/16/opinion/16herbert.html?hp

The big story out of Florida over the weekend was the tragic devastation caused by Hurricane Charley. But there's another story from Florida that deserves our attention.

State police officers have gone into the homes of elderly black voters in Orlando and interrogated them as part of an odd "investigation" that has frightened many voters, intimidated elderly volunteers and thrown a chill over efforts to get out the black vote in November.

The officers, from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, which reports to Gov. Jeb Bush, say they are investigating allegations of voter fraud that came up during the Orlando mayoral election in March.

Officials refused to discuss details of the investigation, other than to say that absentee ballots are involved. They said they had no idea when the investigation might end, and acknowledged that it may continue right through the presidential election.

When I asked why [all the people interviewed were black], he said, "That's just the people we selected out of a random sample to interview."

Not surprisingly, many of the elderly black voters who found themselves face to face with state police officers in Orlando are members of the Orlando League of Voters, which has been very successful in mobilizing the city's black vote.

According to Mr. Egan, "People who have voted by absentee ballot for years are refusing to allow campaign workers to come to their homes. And volunteers who have participated for years in assisting people, particularly the elderly or handicapped, are scared and don't want to risk a criminal investigation."

Woops, that was me.

a strong leader or a dilly-dallyer>

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/columns/la-na-outlook16aug16,1,815610,print.column

I wish the '60s had been nothing but sex, drugs and rock&roll. But there were also the struggles: for Civil Rights and against war. It seems to be coming back--I hope for the last time. Intimidation of African-American voters in Orlando--and ELDERLY ones at that! According to posts on DU, the FBI is going around visiting people in NY who are politically active or were politically active up to 30 years ago. I've seen this movie too many times. Unbelievable. Is it all coming back or is this the final hoo-rah?

It's not just any old banana repuglic, shylurler, it's Bushes home country.

food for thought...

http://www.ajc.com/today/content/epaper/editions/today/opinion_1402b41a766732db00d6.html

Didn't "our" astrologers talk about Pluto going through the first house and secrets coming out, old matters finally dealt with? We know we're on the edge of fascism here, closer than we've been ever. Will the Pluto transit (and others, of course, such as Uranus in Pisces) provide the stimulus to finally rid ourselves of these old twisted ways and to truly restore democracy and freedom?

They sure did shylurker.

Here is the article on the FBI in New York.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/16/politics/campaign/16fbi.html?hp

Woah!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5675992/site/newsweek/

Goss’s Wish List
Bush’s CIA nominee has alarmed civil libertarians with a plan that would authorize the agency to arrest U.S. citizens. Plus, the real threat to the Olympic games.

Not only that, Pat, but the Dems seem to be deciding NOT to fight the nomination. What's up with that? Whose side are they on? Kerry proclaims he would STILL vote in support of the war. What's up with that? And meanwhile, things are so horrible in Najaf that journalists are being told to stay out or be shot. How many innocents have been killed there in the last few days? Do any of our politicians care?
Where's my blankie?

.

Sally,

I think what Kerry said was that he would have asked Congress (if he were president) for the Power to declare war (against Iraq) if necessary. That is different than saying he would have gone to war. But these nuances are used against him.

Re the Resident's sexuality, I agree there is something strange or not quite right there. I recall from a psych class the statement that a psychopath (sociopath) is as comfortable with one gender as another sexually, because he (or she) sees all other people as objects anyway. Personally I do believe that Bush is a sociopath. He has no sense of boundaries (have you seen all those pics on the net of him rubbing some bald guy or another's head at public events?) then there was the incident of his drying his hands on the dress of a woman working in a tv studio, his telling the Canadian PM's male executive assistant that "you have a pretty face"--and obviously he doesn't think "evil-doers" (people who disagree with him) have a right to life or liberty or even due process. I think if Bush had grown up in a poor dysfuctional family instead of a rich one he would be in jail right now.

OMG. This man is saying that the McGreevey/Cipel matter was MOSSAD at work.

Looking for hope? Who isn't! Kos has a really interesting diary this a.m. I particularly like the title: The Empowerment Age. Comes from Joe Trippi (Dean's 'Joe') in his book - he says it's not the 'information age' - it's the Empowerment Age...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/8/16/34313/5290

Namaste

Re link above to Herbert's story in NYT re State Police invading homes of elderly blacks (only) in Orlando --- the link is appearing in the German paper Der Spiegel. Aren't you proud to be an American, living in the land of the free and the brave? I don't care if Jeb Bush is serving his last term, Barbara. He can do more harm than Bush (and has done) and he has two more years? Are Floridians going to stand by and allow this? This typical 'Brownshirt' tactic... the Germans certainly recognize it as such... why don't we?

More chilling news...

F.B.I. Goes Knocking for Political Troublemakers

"The Federal Bureau of Investigation has been questioning political demonstrators across the country, and in rare cases even subpoenaing them, in an aggressive effort to forestall what officials say could be violent and disruptive protests at the Republican National Convention in New York...
BBut some people contacted by the F.B.I. say they are mystified by the bureau's interest and felt harassed by questions about their political plans."

(forgive me if this has already been posted)

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/16/politics/campaign/16fbi.html?hp

Barbara,
I was ventilating above... I know you can't wave a magic wand and make Jeb go away... having a bad morning, what with BLUE not being our color anymore and the fascists all over the country... and the mess in Iraq... need to go read Joanna's link to earthmind again... Namaste

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/US/GoodMorningAmerica/christian_exodus_040812-1.html

This is just too much. Christians all moving to south carolina?
I like it! (I think)

the news is running so fast..wasn't there something going on between the government and n.j. a few months ago? at the time i remember feeling that something would go down in jersey..and here it is.
does anyone else think it's so odd that nancy reagan is supporting bush now? it makes me think that "they" had something to tarnish old rons' image. mossad has the dirt on everyone.

Nancy is probably more afraid of them soiling HER image, as it would be worse
for the party than for her if they sullied Ronnie IMHO

Shylurker

When I first heard the McGreevy story I felt
it had Mossad all over it.

No offense taken, Jo. If I hadn't misplaced my magic wand, Jeb and the whole sorry bunch would be on the sidelines now ;-) . Darn! Wish I was a better housekeeper.

Anyhow, I did work very hard for McBride in 2002, but that was the first outing of those no-paper-trail voting machines. Also, McBride, a very intelligent guy--but one who thinks others are all as well-intentioned as he is--didn't fight back with the ferocity needed. Even the debates were fixed. There was a short-lived flurry about Jeb using the name and answering the question of the Next questioner (the candidates weren't supposed to know the questions ahead of time) instead of the questioner who was speaking.

In 2002 I took some hard looks at Jeb's chart and can't remember why now and don't know where the chart is (with the wand, likely) but Jeb's chart looked like that of a philanderer, which fits in with his Tallahassee reputation. There is no doubt a lot of dirt there for anyone with the nerve and resources to look.

mimi,
what the article also says is that the christians aren't so happy with bushs' performance! how about that...is his base crumbling?

a true christian couldn't be happy with bush. he's killing people and approves of the death penalty.
yes, there's trouble there in paradise.

Barbara, right!!! he's a sociopath with strong narcissistic tendencies. he sees what he needs to feed his deprived little psyche and he takes it! why, because he wants it and that's all there is to it. the problem with this guy is that he's basically stupid; maybe average intelligence but dumbed down by his own choices and laziness. the point on boundaries is a good one. however, he does have a clear boundary between his nasty self and behaviors and the person he projects publicly. the F911 interview when he makes a statement on terrorism and then a smart ass remark off camera is quintessential.

as far as his sexual preferences go, as i hear every so often 'ugh, mental picture.' (parenthetically, i have a great line for kerry if they ask him about the preznit's anti gay amendment: "I think the President and the Republican party should spend a lot less time thinking about male homosexual behavior." but, hey, they can't help being themselves.

Abilene,
If you think you could possibly stand going to a Republican rally and you don't think your head would explode or the experience would cause some sort of seizure, I'd LOVE to read a firsthand account. Personally, I'd enjoy the challenge of trying to blend in, although my expression of loathing and contempt would probably give me away.

As far as having to sign a loyalty oath to the Prince of Darkness:

1.) In 2004, legal contracts are hardly worth the paper they're printed on, especially when the GOP are involved. Once the voting process for electing the SCOTUS was trashed, all bets are off. So I wouldn't sweat it too hard, but that's me.
2.) Unless it's signed in blood, your soul should be in the clear, although we may have to project some serious psychic cleansing in your direction after you've been so close to the heart of the Beast.
3.) If you're really worried about the oath, find a sympathetic attorney or paralegal to draft an oath to John Kerry (or any person or entity that is not GWB) that legally supercedes and nullifies any loyalty oath that is signed afterwards. Heck, they're just making this stuff up as they go along, and so can we...
Namaste~
~D

::sigh::
sorry, friends, it looks like something stuck to my shoe on the way in. Just after a perfectly good satirical slam on the GOP too. It must be Monday.
~D

a Shia rebellion...

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/printer_081604A.shtml

Dommael, please clean your shoes the next time you walk in here.
thank you!
proud pagan I am

Joe -

I believe the fetus isn't a human until the spirit
enters the body, which I believe is at birth or
a few days after. Before that it is a living
organism NOT a human being.
Therefore abortion is NOT murder.
If you have proof that the spirit enters the mother's body at conception I would love to see it
and I am sure billions of people would too.
Christian dogma is just that....dogma. As a Presbytian Minister I had as a professor in colleg
used to call it ...Mythology!

bwahhahhahhaa!!!

Sorry, I don't ever address trolls but I have to in this one single post.

Burned? You? ME???

Blessed be, Mimi, and all you fellow pagans out there...
Namaste~
~D

yeah, good one. I am still chuckling about that.
:)

Guess we struck a nerve, Abilene, not only did we attract one but he jumped in with the most baiting argument he could think of. Infiltrating a GOP rally must be a scary thing!
~D

Abilene, for three years running I attended an annual Reconstructionist Banquet in a very conservative Southern location. My disguise was: slightly dotty little old lady. This was easy to pull off because the Reconstructionists think of women as little more than breeders (and afterwards useless) anyway. Anyhow, I got some great information which was printed in the local alternative newspaper, and the Recons thought that the Progressive Group that was opposing them had hired a private investigator. (Ha!) But here are some suggestions-- Do not go as yourself. Computer print-up an id for yourself with another name. Work id, club membership id, anything. You don't drive and don't have driver's license. You don't believe in the banking system and use only cash. Hey, you are really right wing! You certainly don't have a credit card. Empty your wallet except for your new id(s) and some cash. Get a well-worn right-wing paperback book and put it in your pocket. Remember your new name. Sign your oath with that name. Wear a Bush/Cheney button. Imagine your persona and be that person. I recommend slightly goofy. After the rally get out of the area fast and go somewhere where you can write down everything you remember. Go home. Have a beer or a cup of tea. Take a shower.

That must be why Bush approves of killing and torturing everyone he can in Iraq! they do not have souls!
why didn't i think of that!

finally a little good news (common sense returning?)
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/16/politics/16visa.html

Detention of British Travelers Brings New Policy
By RACHEL L. SWARNS

Published: August 16, 2004

ASHINGTON, Aug. 15 - One by one, the British travelers recounted their dizzying experiences upon arriving at American airports: One man was detained and denied the opportunity to call his wife and lawyer. One woman was handcuffed and another was placed in ankle cuffs that she complained were too tight. ...
On Thursday, Mr. Bonner announced that the department was changing its policy: Travelers from Britain and other countries that do not require visas to visit the United States will no longer be searched, handcuffed and detained if they overstayed their visas by a few days during a previous trip to this country. ....

joe, when will you realize that the repugs are just using you...for your vote? they don't care!!
read a few posts back about south carolina.
you are the ones being burned.
how can you justify the death penalty and all of the murder, otherwise known as war?
do some reading about stem cell research and keep yourself busy for awhile. you'll find out it's not what you so ignorantly think!

you know, this has been a real typical
mercury retrograde for me and my family.
The most common activity seems to be LOOKING for something (was it in the car, or did i leave it at the office?). Sometimes I can almost feel the twist in the fabric of time.
I would love to hear some good merc retrograde stories from some folks with
an astrology background.

Christian men would be well advised to follow the example of Jesus re abortion. What did Jesus do? He said nothing, and left it to women.

There are many very precise rules in the Bible, Old and New Testament. But none refer to abortion.

Mimi, have a slim astrologoly background by my Mercury Retrograde story is my Mom died last night. I will miss her desparately.

The last Mercury Retrograde she went into hospital with exactly the same symtoms she died of last evening.

Mom, love you so much, will miss you so much it hurts.

i am so sorry to hear of your mother's passing.
It takes a very very long time to get back to feeling normal after you lose a parent. (My father died in October)
I hope she had a good life and a peaceful death.
m

Janet, my deepest and most heartfelt sympathies.
~D

yes yes yes!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1283422,00.html

New York ready to unleash fury on Republicans

Sit-down protests and traditional dances as Democrats use every weapon to beat Bush

janet, so sorry about your mothers passing. it makes everything else pale...

Janet, so sorry to hear of your mother's passing. When my mother-in-law (my dearest maternal friend) passed, she had been in the intensive care ward for some time. She was a Libra and a Southern lady so I was not suprised when she asked the nurse to wait a moment while she spoke with someone the rest of us could not see. Clearly she was asking her (invisible) guide to stand by while she talked with the nurse, Good manners to the end. I am so glad that my daughter was able to speak with her before the end. We loved and honored her, and there were no flowers, and no thoughts that had not been delivered beforehand. It is so comforting to know that we have already loved and honored the wise ones before us.

That was me about my dear mother-in-law's passing. Sorry.

Barbara
it's okay, you alread admitted to being Dotty!

Well, this just HAD to be said......G*d is the biggest abortionist around...spontaneous abortion occurrs so much more often than induced abortion that it makes G*d the most prolific of abortionists. In addition, Nature produces (in Pennyroyal, a member of the mint family) an abortifacient which can kill as well as induce menstral flow and induce labor. Men don't take the risk here, women do. And it is THEIR right to do so. They are their bodies....and only a dominator culture ( to quote Terrence McKenna) would make 1/2 of the human species subject slaves to the other half. Everyone...find a copy of his book Food for the Gods....it explains why our dominator culture is dying and the cooperative culture is reviving.
I spent Saturday with a white Shamana (initiated into Shamanism in Peru by Amazonian Shaman, the only white middle aged woman shaman around, Connie Grauds)
http://www.junglemedicine.net/aboutconnie.htm
and we (9 of 10 of us middleaged white women...the 10th a young asian woman) walked the Marin hills and talked to plants. It was the most amazing and invigorating connection with the natural world (without drugs) which is available to anyone who would like to connect with the natural world....the world of connectedness and community. The world we have forgotten....and shouldn't have.

Mike, thanks for the hello about the video. I also have an additional "theme" here....my son-in-law's sister lives in Punta Gorda where her husband is a Sheriff....he was in charge of the shelter in Punta Gorda....and the last people he got in were his wife and baby. Their house is standing, without portions of the roof over the baby's room. They are both 40....she is Leo, I think he is Pisces....his mother died the same day as Reagan in June. Her condo was left to them....her parents here in CA saw the building where the condo is on Saturday on TV...it has been condemned. So talk about a midlife crisis...(haven't we all had this stuff happen? I sure have)....your mother dies and your two "root" homes are destroyed....but at least, although without amenities, they are all alive.

Iraqi conference sinks into chaos...
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/printer_081704Y.shtml

blink blink
I just thought of something!
merc retrograde --- hurricane.
is another one coming? Holy cow!

Judi, glad to hear your family is okay.
and thanks for the excellent comment about god and abortion. I never never never thought of that one!

Weird...while I was posting about Punta Gorda, Janet posted about losing her mother....I didn't understand this exchange by Barbara and Mimi....but in posting about the death of John's mother in June in Punta Gorda I might add that her name was Dotty. Janet, my deepest sympathy for your loss.

Mercury retrograde affects me quite a bit usually...being Gemini (it went retro on my daughter's birthday this year). I've had loans on houses fall thru, any number of things. What I have gotten out of it is that it is a great time to go back and clean up things which are still "hanging out there". A funny thing happened yesterday....I was really wired up (in a good way...well I am running that T. Uranus energy squaring my natal Uranus also) after our talk with the plants, and I remembered that I owned Terrence McKenna's book about jungle medicine (man's insatiable need for transcendence) (Food of the Gods, 1992) but thought I had loaned it out. Decided to move some boxes in the garage around....one box had been sitting in plain sight for 2 years, unopened, collecting dust. Lifted the lid....and there sat Food of the Gods. McKenna must have guided me "back" (he died of brain cancer in Apr 2000....a great mind now at peace?)

I should add to this.....it is apparent to me now that McKenna's use of 'dominator culture' applies to Republican values and 'shared and community values' apply to Democrats. And here we are, neck and neck. But are hearts and minds changing? Well, they better, one heart and one mind at a time....to turn the tide.

Kerry's Blue Blood a Winner, Say Royal Researchers

By Kate Kelland

LONDON (Reuters) - When it comes to American presidential elections, blue blood counts.

So say British researchers who predict Democratic challenger John Kerry (news - web sites) will oust President Bush (news - web sites) on Nov. 2 simply because he boasts more royal connections than his Republican rival.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=584&e=2&u=/nm/20040816/pl_nm/usa_kerry_royalty_dc

Interesting piece of trivia

Here's a good article on Kerry's war statement. You can't run a country on "sound bites" although the Media and BushCo would have you believe it to be so.

Faith vs. Reason
Kerry needs to win over swing voters. But getting inside their heads may
be as much a job for a therapist as a campaign consultant
Eleanor Clift, Newsweek
Aug. 13, 2004
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5698295/site/newsweek/

Aug. 13 - John Kerry disappointed a lot of Democrats when he said that
he would have voted for the resolution that gave George W. Bush the
authority to invade Iraq even had Kerry known then what he knows
now-that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction and no ties to Al
Qaeda. What then would be the grounds for war? That Saddam Hussein was a
despicable human being?

Kerry tried to explain. He stood by his vote, but he would have handled
the warmaking authority differently. Bush, on a five-state campaign
swing, taunted Kerry for "finally clearing that up."

It was classic Kerry, full of subtleties that get lost in translation.
Kerry's position is actually quite responsible, but he's getting no help
from the national press corps in conveying it to the voters. In October
2002, when Bush asked Congress to give him war powers, the
administration was in the midst of a diplomatic negotiation with Saddam.
The threat of force passed by Congress pushed Saddam into allowing the
weapons inspectors back into Iraq. Denying Bush the authority would have
emasculated American diplomacy.

What happened next was a rush to war by Bush. Kerry says he would have
taken more time to let the inspectors finish their work, which may have
made war moot, and to assemble a broader international coalition in the
spirit of Bush I. ("The issue has never been whether we were right to
hold Saddam accountable," Kerry advisor Rand Beers said in a statement
issued earlier this week. "The issue is that we went to war without
our allies, without properly equipping our troops and without a plan to
win the peace.")
more..........

wow. According to that article, Nixon
had royal blood??!?!
I seem to recall that they came up with Clinton and Bush being distant relatives, both to the same British royal line.
Mimi

....worth consideration....

http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2004%20opinions/August/15%20o/Israeli%20espionage%20When%20a%20Honey%20Trap%20Goes%20Bad%20A%20Governor%20Resigns%20By%20John%20Anast.htm

Americans not trusted for Peace in Iraq

http://nation.ittefaq.com/artman/publish/printer_11550.shtml

i have mercury rx natally and usually find it hard to communicate, either with the writen or spoken word. usually when merc.rx's i tend to benefit from all the screw-ups: once there was $13,000 put into my checking account, bills being marked paid when they weren't but in general people come back into my life and like the poster above, i find things and have odd but wonderful coincidences.

Morgana, I've done lots of research in genealogy....John Kerry and GWBush are cousins in many different ways and many different lines. (I have traced my line back to those same kings of England and France.) But so is Bush....so no wonder they are in a dead heat. (John Kerry's ancestor #125 is named Judith Wood, which is my name, so THAT is why I've gotta vote for him! Hey, it's all personal!)
http://members.aol.com/wreitwiesn/candidates2004/kerry.html

For anyone wanting to see some amazing stuff, go to near the end of the piece and see how many "cousins" are presidents (and at the end, the "cousin" lines with GWB....my favorite being Jimmy Carter and Richard Nixon from the same line! And Lizzie Borden, too....(me too) ....from Elizabeth Barrett Browning to Marilyn Monroe and Katherine Hepburn, as well as Winston Churchill, as well as at least 10 other presidents. We are ALL connected in so many ways.

Anyway, Kerry's Winthrop ancestor John Winthrop, Jr. was married to Elizabeth Reed....sister Margaret Reed was married to John Lake...from whom the Bushes (and me) are descended. But I am related to Kerry thru many different lines, and I would assume thousands and thousands of people are.....something to consider! Although I think we should vote our principles, not our families.

Does anyone understand what is happening in Najif? I have AVOIDED that subject....is this a "waterloo" event coming? (was Waterloo a Mercury Rx event? hmmm)....

Janet, so sorry about your Mother. I lost my mother 3 years ago. And like Mimi says, it will take time. It is just such a tough thing to go thru, losing any loved one. My heart goes out to you and your family.

Oddly enough you touched on the one thing I was going to mention about merc Rx's, and that's the bit where what's started in one retro, seems to come up again in the next retro. Case in point, lost a filling and had tooth refilled during a mercury retro. Next retro, the tooth cracked and needed a root canal.

Oh, phooey! Bah! Humbug! "royal blood," "boil blood," "spoiled blood." Ego baubles. ;O)

Ahem, I am descended from a Scottish lord who went by the name of "Fat Duncan" and this knowledge allows me to assume an air of natural superiority over all things in all ways which is incredibly fragile and I thank you to not puncture it, JoannaOregon.

"Ego baubles"
sheesh!
;-)
~D

Sweet Dommael... hahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa!!!!

Hey all, have you seen the O'Reilly VS Krugman video clip that Jim Gilliam has edited on his site with the truth written over O'Reilly's loud, lying, windbag face? It's a hoot!
http://www.jimgilliam.com/2004/08/krugman_vs_oreilly_my_clips.php

67 percent of all Americans descended from Europe are "royally" related. My maternal grandmother is descended from Elizabeth the 1st (her ancestor my 13th great grandfather was a 1st cousin) my maternal grandfather was a direct descendant of Mary Queen of Scots. If "royality" mattered I would own England. All that means is they were able (as was I) to trace their genealogy. Better than half of the European Americans are descended from the royality of Europe.

boy, not me. I am descended from the peasant sons of peasants in southern italy.
I am a genealogist and I wonder how all these people can be related to royalty.
perhaps once upon a time people paid
others to make links to royalty. it doesn't matter that much to people anymore (I think)
m

hahahahah....the POINT is, we are ALL related....for some it is ego baubles, for others it is a new sense of history....just depends how your head is situated. My favorite ancestor is Mary Barrett Dyer, Quaker Martyr (13th gr.grandmother). Gov. Endicott of the MA Bay Colony had her hung June 1, 1660 for teachin' and preachin' her new "Quaker" knowledge. She just kept comin' back and saying," so hang me! It is important what I stand for." Oh....the unproven scuttlebut is that in her secret past, her mother was imprisoned in the Tower of London - she was the niece of Mary Queen of Scots....but this is just "unproven".....mere scuttlebut. Ego baubles? Don't forget, it was the peasants who took care of the aristocrats in 1792.....

On my father's side Mimi we were shanty Irish. The only reason I was able to trace this stuff is my grandmother's family were one of the first 1300 families in America and the Smithsonian have all the generations listed down to my grandmother, and Scotland kept such good records of the families from Wm. the Conqueror on down. In Scotland, Ireland and England there was so much intermarriage in the families and they so spread out throughout Europe (including Germany, Spain, France and Italy) if you can trace back to the 8th and 9th Century you would find the connections. Remember it was the 1st sons who received the titles and the land, the rest had to either live off their relatives or make their own way.

Tell Bush to stop the slander against Kerry

http://www.moveon.org/pac/falseadvertising//letter.html

Mimi ...well...Nixon and Jimmy Carter are related back 6 generations....and since there are obcessive and crazy royals as well (much less frequently of course) caring and humanitarian rulers, wait....are there? oh well....the genes fall where they may....

a great many of the people who came to this country were the poor offspring of royalty and aristocracy. All those kids....and only ONE of them got the house and land!

which is why we have inheritance taxes in this country to keep things more equal and not tie up all land and homes in one family. Until the repugs called it a "death tax" that is....and tried to chang what should be a very fair way of distributing land and goods.

I'm a non-royal mutt from the Slavias and Russia-Poland. Although I do believe I am a Queen/Goddess in this life ;)

Janet, I hope you are well and take care of yourself. When my mom died 9 years ago I had a transcendal experience at the time she left her body. It also took a 'psychic chunk' from my energetic body. They leave with a part of us I discovered. I was very listless for about 3 months. And my emotions would go up and down in many mood swings, that's normal.

Dare I ask? Was Joe around today? I saw the comments count shot up real high in a few hours that I was working, Dag!

I went to Rapture Ready earlier today and read about who would Jesus vote for.
oh brother! WWJVF? What fools. Get on the Rapture Ready Spaceship with Applegate, Jim Jones, served Koolaid with Applesauce. Neo-cons are cultists.

And I'll repeat. If you own a uterus, you can talk about abortion. Otherwise, stay out of it.

I heard that S&B initiation is man on man action and photos are taken. If they all came out of the closet it would make such a better (and prettier) world. BTW I am still seeing NJ tourist commercials on TV with McGreevy and wife, Tee Hee.

Trying to read Earthmind material which was sent by Jo Oregon...I hope the collective mind will come to its senses soon.....

Deja vu, history repeats for shrub(economy in the dumps,FL devasted by a hurricane during his term and a one term p-resident just like father, shrub
will be)It is going to be shocking medals tally for US in the olympics - for the first time US will not finish I or II,instead finish may be III
or IV.China,Russia,Germany may pip US.Already,
the 'dream' men's basketball looks like a nightmare. Swimming medals challenged to the max by Aussies,Europeans and SAfricans.Track and field
is going to be a disaster with most of the medal
hopes are banned/suspended for doping. So,end
of olympics is going to be a major shock as medal
count is tallied.

Sally,

So, with your blood line, it appears as if you and I may be related! My Mother's family were direct descendants of the Howard Family from England. The same Howards that gave us Catherine Howard, wife of Henry VIII and her cousin Anne Boleyn, the Mother of Elizabeth I. In fact (and you may already know this) there's still a Howard Castle that's a bit of a tourist destination in England and that's LITERALLY my family's house! LOL :-)

No wonder y'all felt like family on this site. You all are!

Jonathan

Bhakti...who says you are a mutt? Lots of royalty in in Poland and the Slavias. And that is a great line, thanks, if you own a uterus you can talk about abortion, that is great!

seems like I'm the only one on the site not royally connected;at least I am without the royal
snobbish traits!

Raj, if anyone thinks of you as royalty, it is the folks here.
~D

I'm a heinz 57 variety American, Western Europe pre Revolution and the Apache Chief Cochise.

Raj is royalty yes?

True Royalty rarely wears a Crown. Or wants one, for that matter.

So, yes Raj, you are Royal. :-)

Dear Janet,

I want to express my heart-felt condolences to you on the loss of your mother. That's a sobering experience and everything else does pale.

I can share with you that, like the other Sharon, "Shade," I lost my mom 3 years ago, 2 weeks after my wedding (which she could not attend, along with her youngest sister, who we lost 2 weeks later - they were both my best friends). Mom was in a nursing home and, before that, needed assistance for about 5 years due to the onset of dementia and various medical conditions. Yet, somehow, she never lost her strong & fierce individuality, warmth, love, and, best of all, humor. She had given me a large, gold, art-deco locket 30 years before (an 8 year anniversary present from my father). We both had the same initials at the time and these were engraved on the front. During the years, and during our many arguments, she always told me I would miss her when she was gone. She was right, of course, however, I also know she is ALWAYS with me. In fact (and I have mentioned this here previously), my intuitive counselor told me that her energy is around my heart (I especially feel the connection when I wear the locket but also feel it without the jewelry) and expresses herself as a very, very beautiful golden, pinkish light. Mom has passed the information along that I will never be alone -- that no matter what happens in my life -- the rest of my life I will not be alone as she will not leave me. She has also "said" that she is now back in the energy of her youth, very free, very happy, very high energy. Now, this feels true because my mom used to tell me that she was so active and restless that she could never sit still and would bounce and jiggle anytime she was forced to sit still. So, I am happy for her.

Please allow yourself all the time and space you need to grieve, and know that, like all of our mothers AND fathers, she will ALWAYS be with you. She will always send you blessings and ease your way. I share this with you, Janet, and with Shade, and with all of you.

At that session, all of my relatives sent a group message -- to pray for peace in the Mideast. So I do.

Pusuant to that message, I was doing a search on psychic predictions and came across a very nice website: www.stacewolf.com.

Under her stuff about the future, she discusses a meditation where she was told that the changes to come will be gradual and much of it will be predicted by scientists in advance, giving folks time to make plans. Her vision of the future holds wonderful things and she seems to say, as Sally does, that life will continue in a normal, natural way, as it does everyday -- with the sun shining and the moon glowing and the stars twinkling every day and night.

Love to all,
Sharon Katz

Sharon K
You must mean http://www.staceywolf.com/html/home.html

Thank you all for your comments concerning my attending the bush/cheney rally. I called to see where I could pick up the tickets and was told a minimum of four times that I must provide a picture id. Not so with the Kerry camp! However, my husband is most uneasy about me attending. He has tried several tactics. First one was that he had a bad vibe about it, which did not work. Second, he repeated my own words of “it doesn’t matter what other people do. It only matters what you do because you’re responsible for you.” That one didn’t work either so he finally said, “you are a terrible liar and you will be a nervous wreck the whole time.” Sorry guys, that one worked. The funny thing is he has no problem with me protesting the rally and would even join me. Nice to have someone looking out for my soul.

Sharon Katz
Stacey's work sounds a little like the Kryon work by Lee Carroll. Have you read any of the Kryon books? I find them very comforting. The website is at http://www.kryon.com/altindex.html.

When my mother passed over, I found great comfort weeping "all I wanted" while in the shower. Blessed water to blessed water. Blessed Be.

Most of all the royalty running around in this country & elsewhere were... um, how shall I say it nicely... illegal. ;O)

Abilene,
Your hubby is probably right.
Namaste~
~D

bushaholic is pro-death & pro-destruction... pregnant women, babies, children, Natural World, everybody & everything.... a bona fide necrophiliac. Case Closed.

And let's not forget the '"unacknowledged" descendants of royalty: the children that came from the chambermaids, tradespeople. Some royal lines had "sons" that were really sons of a servant or assistant. And slavery, which is where I would come in at, created even more descendants as aristocratic slave owners had slave children. And how many lower level nobles finally had to marry lesser ranked, but richer merchant families to survive, or even had to take up a trade? For what it's worth, it may be more than 67% of Americans that are descended from some sort or aristocracy.

Abortion is not a political issue. It is the fundies who have made it so, and Dubya who picked it up and ran with it. Sexual activities are not political issues. It is the fundies who have made it so, and Dubya who picked it up and ran with it.

What is politial is Iraqi babies being bombed and children playing among undetonated daisy cutters being maimed and killed; Iraqi children being detained in prisons and tortured and raped and some murdered --- while under our care (or lack thereof, or perpetrators thereof). International agencies are screaming for these children to be released to their families. Meanwhile female troops are being raped in the USA military and left pregnant, and they are not allowed to seek medical advice about termination of the pregnancy nor are they receiving retribution for violation of their bodies. Meanwhile, some American children are going everyday without enough food and without necessary medical care. Mothers are having to work leaving their children at home alone after school.

How dare someone ('he whose name may not be spoken') charge anyone on this board of supporting murder of an unborn fetus, when living, breathing children on this planet are suffering at the hand of this patriarchal administration. Clean up your own mess... get the mote out of your own eye...

Leave politics to the collective, and morality to the individual.

Peace

RIGHT Carol, those are the ones not insane, those are the ones who have mental clarity I think

Sally,
All of us on this board consider you to be royalty, my Lady... nice to know genealogy vouches and affirms our sentiments.

bhakti, you are royal, indeed to me...

I've been studying genealogy for decades... for the same reason I study astrology, psychology, or anything... to learn more about my Being... and we are all one, as we must remind ourselves even when we are faced with some Neanderthal... read Joanna's link to earthmind... it has become my tonic for lifting my spirit... Blessed be

Family of whistleblower harassed...

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/printer_081704U.shtml

My Mercury retrograde experiences so far: Not only my Goss posting (10 years too early), but a person who was going to tell our Residence Meeting about refinancing had to reschedule until next month: an old friend lost her keys and I had to find the spares, then I did find them, but placed the spare keys in my slot instead of hers...missed buses, et cetera, et cetera.....

Neo-con men fear their own feminine side and closet it so it leaks out in gay bashing and killing off the outer feminine such as Nature, people, environment, children, animals, trees, etc. GW has a death fetish. I just remember George 1 as very cynical and mean and then it became fashionable in the 80's to be that way. So much for royalty, doesn't buy class. They are a royal pain in the butt family of Cowards and Bullies and Thugs. They are setting up the karmic wheel to recieve a gigantic pimp slap from the tail of the serpent, just watch.

Unless someone hears it with their own ears, straight from the mouth of Jesus or Mohammed or some other centuries old dead person, I need a documented link (not from fiction = Bible) to back up what dead men thoughts on uterus' (uteri?) would be. And I'd still tell them both to stay out of it since they don't own a uterus.

Tawanda has left the house! We've eaten all the fried green tomatoes... so I offer another treasure from the East, the Middle that is...

"And an old priest said, Speak to us of Religion.
And he said:
Have I spoken this day of aught else?
Is not religion all deeds and all reflection,
And that which is neither deed nor reflection,
but a wonder and a surprise ever springing in the
soul, even while the hands hew the stone or
tend the loom?
Who can separate his faith from his actions,
or his belief from his occupations?
Who can spread his hours before him, saying,
“This for God and this for myself; This for my
soul, and this other for my body?”
All your hours are wings that beat through
space from self to self.
He who wears his morality but as his best
garment were better naked.
The wind and the sun will tear no holes
in his skin.
And he who defines his conduct by ethics
imprisons his song-bird in a cage.
The freest song comes not through bars
and wires.
And he to whom worshipping is a window,
to open but also to shut, has not yet
visited the house of his soul whose windows
are from dawn to dawn.

Your daily life is your temple and your
religion.
Whenever you enter into it take with
you your all.
Take the plough and the forge and the
mallet and the lute,
The things you have fashioned in necessity
or for delight.
For in revery you cannot rise above your
achievements nor fall lower than your
failures.
And take with you all men:
For in adoration you cannot fly higher
than their hopes nor humble yourself lower
than their despair.

And if you would know God be not
therefore a solver of riddles.
Rather look about you and you shall see
Her playing with your children.
And look into space; you shall see Him
walking in the cloud, outstretching Her arms
in the lightening and descending in rain.
You shall see Him smiling in flowers,
then rising and waving Her hands in trees."

Kahlil Gibran - ‘The Prophet’

Thanks Dommael!

To return to the Porter Goss thing, this article praises the Dems for taking the action they're taking. Here's an example of what can occur with PG comes before the Senate to be questioned:

"He can be asked about his steadfast refusal on Bush's behalf to have his committee investigate the colossal intelligence failure where Saddam Hussein's alleged cache of unconventional weapons was concerned before last year's invasion."

Please read the article and let me know your reactions:

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=17437&mode=nested&order=0

my dear cousins (and fat duncan):

i'm adopted so i don'1 know if i'm a prince or a pine cone. when i was about 8, i saw a marx brother's movie set in an imaginary european country, 'fredonia.' there were all sorts of wacky royals and aristocrats. it looked so fun, my fantasy for a few years was that i was the true crown prince of 'fredonia.' after this conversation, i am going to claim this title as my very own.

there is just one species, DNA, and were all related; unless, of course, DNA is just a holographic representation of the deeper unifying principle...which i'm sure is ultimately benevolent.

janet, my heart goes out to you.

Mike, I have two adopted children and believe me they are sure they are royal. I read someplace that all the female DNA goes back to "Lucy" out of Africa.I believe that. I don't know where the DNA of the male go back to however, I have speculated on that from time to time. No, I am sure when they find Lucy's partner, it will be him. (Lucy is the oldest skeleton ever found, and she was found in Africa)

Huzzah for the Prince of Fredonia!!!
~ Fat Duncan

But have we checked out Guido's DNA?

Sally, hahahaa!!! I believe I myself have been identified as being from that very point of origin you are speculating that males are from! Then, usually she changes her mind and gets sweet again...
~D

I'm a little late to the party as usual.

My only claim to a famous relative that I've found so far is Gen. George Armstrong Custer through his older half-brother. Otherwise we're all descended from peasants from Germany, Poland and Russia.

Janet, my condolences on the loss of your mother.

I've such a rich mix of "black" Irish (very, very poor) and artistocratic English, it's actually quite hilarious. My grandma on my Dad's side was from the mountains in Tennessee (hillbilly) while my grandma from my Mom's side was a very wealthy and well-placed German (proud, so proud) Dahmke was her last name.

In the end, who cares? I'm a mutt and proud of it! lol

From a summary of the D.L.'s book, "Healing Anger," although those who need to read it are no doubt too angry to do so.

"H.H. The Dalai Lama Buddhist traditions unanimously state that compassion and love are the foundation of all paths of practice. To cultivate the potential for compassion and love inherent within us, it is crucial to counteract their opposing forces of anger and hatred. The Dalai Lama shows how patience and tolerance overcome the obstacles of anger and hatred. His Holiness presents the practice of the Six Perfections, the central role of bodhichitta, the twelve links of dependent origination and offers a clear roadmap for the practitioner to achieve the goal of liberation. The techniques and methods are relevant for everyone--the Dalai Lama shows the power that patience and tolerance have to heal anger and to generate peace in the world."

Jesus to me lived, but who knows for sure since I was not there (at least in this body) to see for myself and experience it.
Blind Faith to a text written in metaphor and read as literal is the but top layer of complete ignorance. Jesus taught love not separation. No one owns me. I own my body. I choose what to do with it. No one else chooses for me. No one else.

Who Would Jesus Freep?

Ummm, correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall some pretty dire predictions for this week, especially for Tuesday through Thursday. Is anybody looking at this?

Ummm... a child in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Btw, humans are also animals in the class of mammals. All things are of the One & the One is all things... same energy matrix... "matrix" is "Mother." The Great Cosmic Mother gives birth to both fe/male out of Herself. She is the Living Cornucopia & All there is. Case Closed. ;O)

laurie, my dad's family came from the hills of kentucky and tennessee too. we are most definitely related! i came accross some group of people there called melungeons, it's facinating, there are some genetic traits and oddities and noone seems to know where they really came from.

on another note, i had a miscarriage once and never felt the soul of that child but when i got pregnant with my son while i was on the pill, i flt him right away, willing to live, even changing my eating and reading habits...so maybe they all come in at different times. i've wondered if autism has anything to do with a wavering soul.

Grow a uterus and we'll talk.

Now my lips are sealed.

Time for a flush. Whoosh! into the great sewer from whence it came.

wow! melungeons! I have read about them, and in the same group of readings I also found wonderful writings about relics that were dropped by europeans before old Chris
Columbus and his fellows arrived.

I have always felt that all life was sacred, and that the soul of a chicken is just as noble as the soul of an american white male. Women have been chosing to do what they needed to with their bodies since before man could write and therefore quote his writings as something more important than reality.

And Raj, read the posts again, there are lots of us whose closest connection to royalty was the blood we shed to pay the taxes that the royalty got !!
:)
mimi daughter of peasants for at least 8 generations

JoannaO, an incantation, p-l-e-a-s-e.

OMG! Aristotle is alive and well! EVIL spelled backwards is LIVE... Women are not vessels... or petri dishes... or chattel...

Murder is ok so long as you are an Iraqi--combatant or innocent. Makes no difference.

just go away, your not welcome, we don't need you, you won't change anyone here with your ranting...you'll only waste you time
you really are repulsive joe

To stay on the subject (murder), how about all the innocent people--of all ages and genders--murdered in Iraq? Is that ok?

Rabid mouth foaming is about to ensue.

thanks for all your merc retrograde anecdotes, a true slice of life.
My husband is packed to go to Florida (clean up from the hurricane) but he keeps getting different answers about when he should go or whether he will go at all.
He found the important notebook that he lost, it will arrive here fedex tomorrow or wednesday (and he might not be here)
ALthough I am often the victim, (of Merc Rx) I am always amused at how it messes with us.
more stories?

What's more repulsive is killing a living doctor, bombing abortion clinics.
What's more repulsive is killing already born living humans in the name of Jesus.
Does that repulse to you?

"Pagan" - of the Land. "Peasant" - People of the Land. Land & Natural World - the Great Living Gaia.

Guys - modified females. That's why they have titties... awa the other regular bits. But it's how they can be creative, once becoming whole or "holy"... with many, sadly, like freeper, "hole-y." ;O)

Who knows, Shylurker! Something True-BLUE may seep into freeper under its awareness... esp since so little awareness exists. Yet, it is attracted to this thread, so mebbe it's asking for help without asking for help. Not honest, but there you go.

the retro grade mercury had us all talking geneology...it was great, in virgo the mother, no less!
here's a funny cartoon by ward sutton at the village voice:
http://www.villagevoice.com/sutton/

"Wait till you are in the militairy then we'll talk."

Gee, that sounds like a threat, Joe. You come here, just to troll, disrupt the thread... attack people in general, for first one thing - then another... NEVER discourse in a polite conventional manner... NEVER answer a single question put to you. No, I'm sorry, you do not have just as much right to be here as anyone else. You have no rights here. This is a 'no speech zone' for you. As a Freeper you should understand about those things.

No one is going to 'feed' you anymore...

Namaste

Hi folks, sorry the new moon is not posted. Mercury retro wreaks havoc with my mvs os systems and projects. Since mercury went south I've put in OT (non paid kind) every day (I work a 10 hr day to start with!). Never fails mercury retro messes with mainframes! The worst is Aquarius merc retro's, omg's took weeks to unravel the hardware failures!

Keep an eye on all the events driving the energy up to the RNC this is the seed time per-se so things happening now (short term) will be manifesting with full moon and RNC.

I was just reading that the Iraqui police have threatened the lives of reporters in Najaf who were told to get out or else be shot at. 2000 body sheilds of unarmed Iraquis are surrounding the shrine as American tanks are close by. I'm afraid there is going to be another blood bath that US doesn't want us to see. OMG.

that's the first time i've done a link!!! i learned it here...THANKS! for that and everything, i love it here!
except for joe...go dowsing and find your brain joe...GET LOST!

Psssst.

http://www.now.org/history/slideshows/march2004/

Joe needs a life. Sally said it before that we were biased here and trying to debate us with a different opinion was barking up the wrong tree. We are just like you, but opposite. Plus we don't like you, so go. You are wasting your time here.

Jo, you rule!

There is no reason to discuss it any further. Pictures are worth a thousand words.

Yes, Pat C. Over and over again--we are in charge of our bodies and we will continue to be.

Yes, Pat C. Over and over again--we are in charge of our bodies and we will continue to be.

bhakti,
I'm afraid you're right. See Juan Cole's comments.

rubaiat, good for you! Ain't science grand! Years ago my daughter asked me how I was going to operate the microwave when she moved out! We learn, though... a little each day... the grands still do circles around me, if I have a problem on the computer, I just holler for one of them.

Morgana, sorry about all the overtime you're having to put in with the mainframes, etc. Are you still feeling better? I'm just trying to go with the flow with the Merc R --- trying to 'review' --- clean up my decades of journals and timecharts... relocating my Dad here from his nest of 17+ years and all his 'papers' sent a message to me... I need to clean house!

Blessed be...

Hahahaa Jo, my housekeeper ran screaming from the house when I pointed her at my bookshelves. They badly need reorganizing. My glass studio is being moved sigh...it's all chaos. Gemini, who me?

Morgana, magical lady--the Repugs convention?

Morgana,
What can I say? Books, papers --- I love 'em! On the desk, flowing out of the file cabinet, off the nightstand, on the floor, on the bed... Have you ever seen a Gemini in a spartan environment? Nope, never will either...

Anyway, we'll look forward to your next article, whenever it comes. Namaste

here's a letter to bush by william rivers pitt, it says it all!
http://www.truthout.org

Heya Shylurker, I was gona look more closely at the RNC with the full moon, but at the rate I'm going may just combine the two!
Just see'in BLUE!!!!
Are there any Guided Imagists on here? Would love to hear your thoughts!

Separate. Combined. Who cares? More, more blue, Morgana!

the w.r.pitt op-ed is titled "brain dead, made of money, no future"
next i'll have to learn how to include part of the article with the link...!

Will Pitt is amazing!

What's a Guided Imagist, Morgana? Duh!

i guess with merc. rx i'm posting more than normal!
i was thinking that with the rest of the world seeing the left as red and the us using blue it just makes a backward sense....maybe we should envision red to infuse the "red" with our blue energy and at the same time become more one with the world..?
red does have more energy than blue, not to mention all the mars aspects of kerry and edwards.

Rubaiat,
I can't sleep tonight... way past my bedtime. The business about the color bothers me because we'll all been visualizing BLUE... for victory... heck, I just want to color Dubya GONE... from the White House... have you been visualizing?

How 'bout some of you others, Morgana, Joanna, are you still visualizing Blue for Kerry/Edwards? I don't like red... never have... so I'll just stop visualizing color period, probably... it won't work for me now...

The voidness of the universe
Is capable of containing all
Things of various forms and shapes,
Such as the sun, moon, stars,
Mountains, rivers, the great earth,
Springs, streams, mountain torrents,
Plants, trees and woods,
Good and bad people,
Good and bad things,
Heavens and hells,
All the great oceans.
All these are in the void.
The voidness of worldly people
Is also like it.

- Altar Sutra

this site is simply hilarious tonight, witty, profound at times; thanks, it was/is a delight!

morganna, used to do that with others but not any more. self generation of imagry is extremely powerful & it's very easy if you're just doing it yourself. why? because *you do it all the time*...just imagine a map of the country, the physical topography, being in sky lab (or with sky king), floating over the country, flying in a jet ...whatever.. and paint the whole thing blue--shades of blue, blue water, changing from red to blue, etc. you can mess with it, come up with different cominations. etc. it's best to do this when you'alone or unlikely to be bothered. avoid doing this while driving unless it comes in the form of an unavoidable flashback, in which case, pull over and enjoy!

Mike, you must have seen the Robin Williams movie "What Dreams May Come."

jo , i'm sorry you can't sleep and don't worry, i haven't been envisioning blue or red, neither color has enough of an emotional charge for me in reguard to the election. i have to conjur a feeling of an outcome, colors don't work for me like that, i paint so i don't want an alien color with a negative conotation. in bringing up the red idea, it was only a thought. i can't sleep either...it's becoming a habit.

Within the last 3 days, 4 people (my mother, one sister, and 2 friends) have called with invitations, plus demands I get out of NYC before the Convention. I had acceeded at first, but with the article about the FBI harrassing dissenters this am, I begin to wonder if I don't have a moral duty to stay and protest. It's not only the fate of us in the US that worries me......it is the effect on the world. Do I have a right to run away? Any opinions welcome.

Thanks, Teg

Teg, whatever happens in NY, one more activitist is not going to change the outcome one way or another. You can do a lot more good after the convention getting out the vote, or helping people get to the voting booth. I would agree with your family, get out of NY, there is too much anger there right now to be of help. While I understand the anger, undirected it can only do harm not good.

teg, only you can know the answer to this. it could be that your people are fearful, it could be true that there will be problems but you may not have a problem, reguardless.if i was there i would want a spy cam or a zoom lense and a birds-eye view. will they shoot the reporters in n.y.c.also????
all things considered we have to live and be...if you want to stay, stay if you want to go , go.
do what you're best at, there are many ways to take a stand

omg, don't tell me everyones gone to bed! isn't there someone in a different time zone here?
i just had 2 glasses of wine trying to get sleepy...perimenopause...any suggestions?

Sweet dreams, rubaiat! ;O)

o.k. o.k. i'll try to sleep..

I have started envisioning a big "Kerry/Edwards" across the U.S.A. sort of like a watermark stamp, and I still envision blue states for the election night returns. Can't hurt.

Hundreds are missing in Florida:

http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1268&storyid=1780686

Landslide!!

http://gadflyer.com/articles/print.php?ArticleID=185

Thanks, Sally. My sister in NH says I have a greater moral responsibility for the mental peace of my mother, than for contributing another voice to antiBush. But she also suggested that I use the talents I may have,,,,,,,,,,,i.e., writing and a lot of knowledge historically and politically, to make a difference. Donna has always been extremely logical! lol For what it's worth, leaving still seems cowardly, but staying also seems a bit futile. I just can't stand the idea of leaving the outrage to others/ My sister had me laughing however, when she told me that "Your safety is more important than the extent to which I am outragesized by Bush!" She spawned another family classic saying with that one! lol

PLEASE GO AND LISTEN TO THE AUDIO OF JFK'S NOMINATION ACCEPTANCE SPEECH--HELPS YOU REMEMBER EXACTELY WHAT A TRUE LIBERAL STANDS FOR.

Quote-liberalism is our only and best hope for our world today"

John F. Kennedy: Presidential Nomination Acceptance Speech at 1960 N.Y.---- Liberal Party Convention

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/site/media/play.php?id=47

Thanks
KAP for posting JFK’s speech . . .. The JFK of 2004 could sure take some lessons from the JFK of 1960. I’ve never bought the theory of a Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone.
It’s taken the dark under belly of the Republican Party 43 years to get a complete paralyzing strangle hold on America and I don’t think they are going to quietly into the night or release without a dirty, dirty fight. I shudder to think what they will attempt if Kerry wins.

'Greater moral responsibility'. Sorry Teg if I offend, but that is a big guilt trip. Yoga aphorism- 'the road to hell is paved by pleasing others'. Please yourself is my suggestion.

I thought we envisoned the US as Blue for the Indigos and not just Dems. See it as purple which is United Dems and Repubs. Of course a Kerry landslide.

Bhakti,
Thanks for the 'purple'...

Kos has a photo up top of the page now from the Portland rally, showing thousands in a sea of blue... email from Kerry campaign said 50,000... that's quite a few more than Bush fit into the high school gym! And Oregon is supposed to be a swing state? It's 'swinging' alright! Rockin' and rollin' for Kerry/Edwards... as is the rest of the country...

The Brits look at Nader....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4994715-103677,00.html

Dad gum right I'm fearful!! As anyone should be contemplating another 4 years of GWB.

Please everybody, ignore Joe.

Conventional Facades: Why the Republicans Have to Hide their Agenda

http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/04/08/far04028.html

It is amazing, you can always tell when something written strikes true, especially when people threaten to remove it or actually go to great lengths to prevent what you have to say from being heard.

President George W. Bush rocks, and you liberals are afraid because John Kerry is half the man President Bush is. I can sum everything up in three unchanging words, FOUR MORE YEARS...
Kerry might as well not even show up. As for the dispicable behavior of the dems trying to keep Nader from running, I don't know how much lower you can stoop.

You libs may enjoy silencing the minority, but we'll have our voice when we re-elect George W. Bush. Then you'll have nobody but yourselves to blame for trying to silence us, for trying to demean us and our candidate. We will be victorious once again, and you will be left to wallow in your own self pity.

BRIELLE, N.J. -- An 8-year-old girl who has a rare digestive disorder and cannot consume wheat has had her first Communion declared invalid because the wafer contained none.

Now, Haley Waldman's mother is pushing the Diocese of Trenton and the Vatican to make an exception, saying the sacrament should be changed to accommodate the girl's condition.

Roman Catholic doctrine holds that communion wafers must have at least some unleavened wheat, as did the bread served at the Last Supper of Jesus Christ before his crucifixion.

In May, the girl received her her first Holy Communion from a priest who offered her a wheat-free host. But last month, the diocese told the priest that Waldman's sacrament would not be validated by the church because of the substitute wafer.

Yeah, this is what Jesus was all about...the details.

Extremely interesting

http://www.rense.com/general56/defe.htm

Facts Update On Florida -
Inside The Destruction
By Michael Edward In Punta Gorda
The Rumor Mill News Reading Room
8-16-4

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I really don't care what CNN or ANY biased and controlled media group wants to "estimate" or purportedly "report" about this disaster. The world is NOT being told the truth of what happened here and how many died. Why would they want to cover up a body count or death toll that we have already seen for ourselves? Why are we hearing JEB and his older brother GW on the Ft. Myers radio station tell us today that what we have seen with our own eyes didn't happen and doesn't exist?

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Faithful Crones & Croners... you're going to LOVE these coined words for the lexicon! Example:

Awolunteer (v): To posture, for example thru the use of body language, bold statements & proclamations, or the use of costumes & special effects, that one is serving or a part of a noble cause, when in fact one wants to have nothing to do with the cause in question. See also: chickenhawk. Also, of course, Awolunteer (n): one who merely awolunteers when the going gets tough, leaving others to pick up the pieces. (thingwarbler) http://stommel.tamu.edu/~baum/ethel/atrios-dictionary.html

* Why He Crushed the Oligarchs: The Importance of Hugo Chávez http://www.counterpunch.org/

YOU GO, CHAVEZ!!!!!! HaHA! El pinko-supremacist lost again! ...& may it only continue. The majority of the USian People need to take note of the illegal El pinko-supremacist sprayin' like an old tomcat on the WH! ;O)

does anyone remember an astrological forcast that included a state secceding
from the union?

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/US/GoodMorningAmerica/christian_exodus_040812-1.html

I was remarking to Sally that Saturn moving off of his sun, and before conjunct return, that he's got a small break here in the pressure.

* Saying No to Turkey

Having failed to persuade Europe's leaders to enshrine Christianity in the final draft of the constitution of the European Union, the [peodophiliac sexually acting-out to the tune of millions of parishioners' money] Vatican has found a new way to try to conflate European & Christian identity. The Holy See wld like to block Turkey's candidacy to the European Union. In an interview last week with Le Figaro magazine, the Catholic Church's top [politico-]theologian, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, said that Turkey, a predominantly Muslim secular republic of 70 million people, is "in permanent contrast to Europe" & that linking it to Europe would be a mistake. To drive home his point about Turkey's disqualifying otherness, he cited the Ottoman Empire's incursions into the heart of Europe in centuries past.

Like meddlesome clerics the world over, [totalitarian] Cardinal Ratzinger is inflaming an important political debate. He is elevating religious differences over political process & personal beliefs over values that are universal, not a Judeo-Christian monopoly. But unlike other issues on which the cardinal has recently taken provocative stands - whether pro-choice Catholic politicians should receive communion, & women's role in society (he said women are naturals at "listening, welcoming & waiting") - enlargement of the European Union is outside the church's purview. In the cardinal's view, Europe is Christian, so Turkey doesn't belong. ... http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/15/opinion/15sun3.html?th

Sound more than familiar? WhaddaHOOT!!

Hi everyone!

I've been lurking around this site for quite some time and have enjoyed the high level of debate and insight. I have learned a great about mundane astrology and astrology in general so a big 'thank you' to all you astrologers!

I am not American - I'm Australian - and live in the U.K. and for the life of me can't see how anyone could vote for GWB. He really should be polling at 0%!

Economically his policies have been very destructive for the world economy. Where I live they would be described as the policies of the 'loony left'. Running up huge deficits whilst exporting jobs is suicide. Isn't this kind of policy the kind that Republicans have accused the Democrats of as being irresponsible? It's a centralising govt. detirmined to take power away from the people even more than we've experienced in the past. How can freedom be defended by the imposition of a Police state?

For years and years, Britain has been under terrorist threat and did not resort to 'amber alerts' or 'Patriot acts' - people went on with their lives and the police got on with the job. Since the 90's, this threat has lessened to the point where Northern Ireland is functioning with all parties trying for peace. How? By communication.

As is it America, I suspect the terror threat to be a scam - much as Carter's push for a re-call election in Venezuela was in line with the US government agenda. Follow the path of the oil pipelines and you will see the 'terrorist threat'.

James Rubin was on C4 the other night confirming that Europe would just have to get used to US foreign policy -I wish I could see an improvement under Kerry but that seems unlikely to happen.

It seems to me that you are stuffed no matter who you vote for as both your major parties have been bought up by Corporate interests. They own the Government. They buy your laws. They decide who your 'choice' is between. Your politicians do what they are told. (Edwards was selected as VP candidate after a Bilderberg meeting).

This time your choice is between two skull and bones members who are both mega-rich and, according to my research, 3rd cousins.

Great choice!

Please don't get too defensive - I'm not America bashing - I know it's the same everywhere in the western world.

Personally, I think the best thing anyone can do is switch off the telly, radio and stop reading newspapers and log into the net. Find your own 'news' and keep an open mind.

By the way Joe, if you think GWB rocks then fine but what's he ever done for you? What have the Republican party ever done for you? How have they made your life better? You've admitted to being in the minority - since when do minorities win elections? 2000?

Hey Jase
get it right, they are 10th cousins.
thanks so much for writing. your views
are refreshing and illuminating!
M

Interesting....

http://www.thecamino.com.ar/

No, not a minority in politics, a minority on this site. As for what President Bush has done for me, there are so many things he's directly done that a complete list would be difficult to produce. But for example, I run a small business, and with the amount of money I saved with his tax rebates I was able to employ 10 new employees. Also, he has sent more money than any previous president to Africa in search for a cure for AIDs, something that I deeply hope will have a cure found in the years ahead especially since any research will help close friends of mine crippled from the disease. He has also helped to fund faith based initiatives, which are wonderful programs meant to help bring people back to religion and bring them closer to god. I have several relatives who voluntarily enlisted in the militairy, and this President has definitely improved funding, boosted morale and by all means is proud of this country and its achievements. This is of course in stark contrast with the negative things John Kerry has said and continues to say about this country and its militairy. I dunno, for me the choice is obvious. George W. Bush is definitely a better choice than John Kerry, particularly for security and especially for the economy.

Welcome, Jase!

Pres Carter is no oligarch supporter, but helped monitored the "re-call" election forced by the minority group of El pinko-supremacists against Chavez... & they LOST. There's a HUGE difference between President Kerry & bushaholic. For instance, Kerry has a 100% 20-yr record of caring for the Natural World. There's a campaign "out there" to make them the same--to strike dispair/hopelessness into the heart--but they're not the same. Besides, we've already heard that old disingenuous lil tune at the 2000 dyselection... no difference between President Gore & bushaAWOL. Yes, there are... HUGE differences between them. They may all be El pinkos, but they ain't all "oligarchal supremacists!" ;O)

Thank you very much for your welcome, Mimi!
See, I told you I learnt stuff from this site - 10th cousins it is!

Still, they're related, come from the same background, both members of the same club and essentially have the same foreign policy - especially in the key area of the middle east.

Joe, thank you for your answer!
I understand your perspective much more than previously.
I'm very glad to hear that the tax cuts have helped your business and enabled you to employ more people. I have great deal of respect for anyone who has the guts to start their own business and take on that kind of risk. Hats off to you for that!

Does it worry you that the deficit has reached record levels? Not a sound basis for an economy.
One of the positives of the current government in the UK is that it has reigned in debt levels to the point whree we havemanaged to have some budgets in surplus. The same was recently achieved in Australia so the arguement is really no longer a political one ( Labour govt in UK/Liberal(Conservative) govt in Aust.)
I've heard reports that military morale has sunk in recent months(GUardian/Independent - both UK)due to being kept in areas of conflict and that vets are having benfits cut. (Happening here too under Labour).
I won't take issue on faith-based initiatives as I believe separation of state/church so we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.
I will agree with you on the AIDS research. NO less a personage than 'Saint Bob'(Bob Geldof) has praised GWB in this regard.

Still, don't trust the guy. What he has done in Iraq and Afghanistan I find morally repugnant and reluctance to truly investigate 9/11 makes very suspicious of his motives.

Anyway, Joe, you speak your mind and vote for what you believe is right.

A question for all the astrologers:

What are the key indicators in a chart for a country's economy? How does this relate to an election? Can we tell if a state is more geared towards democracy, monarchy or fascism?

Welcome, Jase.

Speaking for myself, there is simply NO worse person for the job than George W Bush. I am from Texas, GWB and I go way back. Step one is to get him out of the White House, otherwise there won't be any America left in four years. Step two is to hold Kerry's feet to the fire just as strongly if not more. True, Kerry is from the same world as GWB, but I believe Kerry will be a helluvalot easier to influence than Dimson will ever be.

One step at a time, friend, one step at a time.
Namaste~
~D

"Does it worry you that the deficit has reached record levels? Not a sound basis for an economy."
Actually, deficits aren't as bad for an economy as surpluses are. Surpluses are money
that isn't in the hands of employers and businesses.

"I've heard reports that military morale has sunk in recent months(GUardian/Independent -
both UK)due to being kept in areas of conflict and that vets are having benfits cut.
(Happening here too under Labour)."

I dunno, from the reports I've heard from my relatives in the militairy, they claim that
the media gravely exaggerates any difficulties and rarely if ever looks at the good that
is happening. So I tend to take those reports worth a grain of salt, especially when it
comes to real live reports from people close to me who I trust.

"I won't take issue on faith-based initiatives as I believe separation of state/church
so we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one."
Religion is still seperate from the state, but no where in the constitution does it say
a leader can't have strong religious beliefs and can fund independent non government related
faith based charities and initiatives.

"I will agree with you on the AIDS research. NO less a personage than 'Saint Bob'(Bob Geldof)
has praised GWB in this regard."
I'm glad you agree with me, AIDS is a terrible disease and I am glad this president is doing
as much as he is to hopefully help find a cure and to provide the economic resources to help
those who are being ravaged by this terrible plight.

"Still, don't trust the guy. What he has done in Iraq and Afghanistan I find morally
repugnant and reluctance to truly investigate 9/11 makes very suspicious of his motives."
Yes, you think this now. But had the United States done nothing at all, and waited and waited
only to find that the opposite had been happening, you may not have the same stance as you have
now. Yes, it is a shame we went in only to find that the weapons were probably shifted to
another country (goodness knows Saddam had the time to have that happen). But at least Iraq
has the potential now to become a sparkeling gem of democracy in the middle east. Sure the
roads won't be easy, but never in the history of any and all democracies is freedom ever
something easy to earn. The road will be tough, but I think the Iraqis have suffered enough
to know how valuable freedom is, and I am sure anywhere from 5 to 10 years from now, Iraq will
be a shining example of how democracy can and will prevail. Even now, there are many success
stories that go unreported. If you base your opinions only from the negative reports, then
no wonder you feel so negatively about Iraq.

"Does it worry you that the deficit has reached record levels? Not a sound basis for an economy."
Actually, deficits aren't as bad for an economy as surpluses are. Surpluses are money
that isn't in the hands of employers and businesses.

"I've heard reports that military morale has sunk in recent months(GUardian/Independent -
both UK)due to being kept in areas of conflict and that vets are having benfits cut.
(Happening here too under Labour)."

I dunno, from the reports I've heard from my relatives in the militairy, they claim that
the media gravely exaggerates any difficulties and rarely if ever looks at the good that
is happening. So I tend to take those reports worth a grain of salt, especially when it
comes to real live reports from people close to me who I trust.

"I won't take issue on faith-based initiatives as I believe separation of state/church
so we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one."
Religion is still seperate from the state, but no where in the constitution does it say
a leader can't have strong religious beliefs and can fund independent non government related
faith based charities and initiatives.

"I will agree with you on the AIDS research. NO less a personage than 'Saint Bob'(Bob Geldof)
has praised GWB in this regard."
I'm glad you agree with me, AIDS is a terrible disease and I am glad this president is doing
as much as he is to hopefully help find a cure and to provide the economic resources to help
those who are being ravaged by this terrible plight.

"Still, don't trust the guy. What he has done in Iraq and Afghanistan I find morally
repugnant and reluctance to truly investigate 9/11 makes very suspicious of his motives."
Yes, you think this now. But had the United States done nothing at all, and waited and waited
only to find that the opposite had been happening, you may not have the same stance as you have
now. Yes, it is a shame we went in only to find that the weapons were probably shifted to
another country (goodness knows Saddam had the time to have that happen). But at least Iraq
has the potential now to become a sparkeling gem of democracy in the middle east. Sure the
roads won't be easy, but never in the history of any and all democracies is freedom ever
something easy to earn. The road will be tough, but I think the Iraqis have suffered enough
to know how valuable freedom is, and I am sure anywhere from 5 to 10 years from now, Iraq will
be a shining example of how democracy can and will prevail. Even now, there are many success
stories that go unreported. If you base your opinions only from the negative reports, then
no wonder you feel so negatively about Iraq.

* A norwegian professor believes al-Qaida is a Pentagon-fiction:
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/uriks/article.jhtml?articleID=396241

* Syrias president questions the existence of al-Qaida:
http://www.gopusa.com/news/2003/may/0526_assad_denial.shtml

May 26, 2003 Syria Denies Existence of Al Qaeda - KUWAIT CITY (Talon News) -- Syrian President Bashar Assad revealed in a newspaper interview on Sun that he does not believe there is a terrorist grp called al Qaeda, the org widely believed to be the perpetrators of the hijackings on 9/11/01 awa the recent attacks in Saudi Arabia & Morocco.

* "Is there really an entity called al Qaeda? It was in Afghanistan, but is it there anymore?" Assad asked. - Assad speculated about the existence of al Qaeda & its notorious leader Usama bin Laden in a Kuwaiti newspaper called Al-Anba. Nevertheless, questioning the existence of the al Qaeda terrorist network is very popular in Arab countries. Many people in these countries believe that the US has hyperbolized the danger of al Qaeda as a means for portraying Muslims as violent/dangerous.

* Indonesian Bashir believes USA has invented al-Qaida
http://www.gsmpro.com/article/articledt.asp?hArticleId=3910/20/2002

Bashir on Fri accused the US of inventing both al-Qaida & Jemaah Islamiyah to portray Muslims as terrorists.
http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=3054299

Bashir selv skylder på CIA og USA for å stå bak angrepet mot Bali. Han benekter også at gruppene Jemaah Islamiyah og al-Qaida eksisterer.

* Al-qaida did not exist in Afghanistan
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2897137.stm

Fri, 28 March, 2003 - According to Dadullah, al-Qaeda did not exist in Afghanistan & he said he did not know the fate or whereabouts of Osama bin-Laden.

* MOSSAD was caught pretending to be "Al-Qaeda" in Palestine.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda.html

Anytime you hear the corpo news media mention "Al-Qaeda" it is just like in Orwell's "1984" when the telescreens wld have their "2 Min Hate" & the sheeple wld be programmed to be afraid of "Emmanuel Goldstein." A manufactured fake enemy, designed by the warmongering fanatics, to raise public fear & support for more wars to the necessary pitch.

* A norwegian professor believes al-Qaida is a Pentagon-fiction:
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/uriks/article.jhtml?articleID=396241

* Syrias president questions the existence of al-Qaida:
http://www.gopusa.com/news/2003/may/0526_assad_denial.shtml

May 26, 2003 Syria Denies Existence of Al Qaeda - KUWAIT CITY (Talon News) -- Syrian President Bashar Assad revealed in a newspaper interview on Sun that he does not believe there is a terrorist grp called al Qaeda, the org widely believed to be the perpetrators of the hijackings on 9/11/01 awa the recent attacks in Saudi Arabia & Morocco.

* "Is there really an entity called al Qaeda? It was in Afghanistan, but is it there anymore?" Assad asked. - Assad speculated about the existence of al Qaeda & its notorious leader Usama bin Laden in a Kuwaiti newspaper called Al-Anba. Nevertheless, questioning the existence of the al Qaeda terrorist network is very popular in Arab countries. Many people in these countries believe that the US has hyperbolized the danger of al Qaeda as a means for portraying Muslims as violent/dangerous.

* Indonesian Bashir believes USA has invented al-Qaida
http://www.gsmpro.com/article/articledt.asp?hArticleId=3910/20/2002

Bashir on Fri accused the US of inventing both al-Qaida & Jemaah Islamiyah to portray Muslims as terrorists.
http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=3054299

Bashir selv skylder på CIA og USA for å stå bak angrepet mot Bali. Han benekter også at gruppene Jemaah Islamiyah og al-Qaida eksisterer.

* Al-qaida did not exist in Afghanistan
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2897137.stm

Fri, 28 March, 2003 - According to Dadullah, al-Qaeda did not exist in Afghanistan & he said he did not know the fate or whereabouts of Osama bin-Laden.

* MOSSAD was caught pretending to be "Al-Qaeda" in Palestine.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda.html

Anytime you hear the corpo news media mention "Al-Qaeda" it is just like in Orwell's "1984" when the telescreens wld have their "2 Min Hate" & the sheeple wld be programmed to be afraid of "Emmanuel Goldstein." A manufactured fake enemy, designed by the warmongering fanatics, to raise public fear & support for more wars to the necessary pitch.

* A norwegian professor believes al-Qaida is a Pentagon-fiction:
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/uriks/article.jhtml?articleID=396241

* Syrias president questions the existence of al-Qaida:
http://www.gopusa.com/news/2003/may/0526_assad_denial.shtml

May 26, 2003 Syria Denies Existence of Al Qaeda - KUWAIT CITY (Talon News) -- Syrian President Bashar Assad revealed in a newspaper interview on Sun that he does not believe there is a terrorist grp called al Qaeda, the org widely believed to be the perpetrators of the hijackings on 9/11/01 awa the recent attacks in Saudi Arabia & Morocco.

* "Is there really an entity called al Qaeda? It was in Afghanistan, but is it there anymore?" Assad asked. - Assad speculated about the existence of al Qaeda & its notorious leader Usama bin Laden in a Kuwaiti newspaper called Al-Anba. Nevertheless, questioning the existence of the al Qaeda terrorist network is very popular in Arab countries. Many people in these countries believe that the US has hyperbolized the danger of al Qaeda as a means for portraying Muslims as violent/dangerous.

* Indonesian Bashir believes USA has invented al-Qaida
http://www.gsmpro.com/article/articledt.asp?hArticleId=3910/20/2002

Bashir on Fri accused the US of inventing both al-Qaida & Jemaah Islamiyah to portray Muslims as terrorists.
http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=3054299

Bashir selv skylder på CIA og USA for å stå bak angrepet mot Bali. Han benekter også at gruppene Jemaah Islamiyah og al-Qaida eksisterer.

* Al-qaida did not exist in Afghanistan
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2897137.stm

Fri, 28 March, 2003 - According to Dadullah, al-Qaeda did not exist in Afghanistan & he said he did not know the fate or whereabouts of Osama bin-Laden.

* MOSSAD was caught pretending to be "Al-Qaeda" in Palestine.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda.html

Anytime you hear the corpo news media mention "Al-Qaeda" it is just like in Orwell's "1984" when the telescreens wld have their "2 Min Hate" & the sheeple wld be programmed to be afraid of "Emmanuel Goldstein." A manufactured fake enemy, designed by the warmongering fanatics, to raise public fear & support for more wars to the necessary pitch.

JoannaOregon, that's why instead of "Al~Qaeda" I prefer to use the more precise term "Evildoers." It's easier on Karl Rove that way.
~D

Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when he is called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason. -- Oscar Wilde

JoannaOregon, that's why instead of "Al~Qaeda" I prefer to use the more precise term "Evildoers." It's easier on Karl Rove that way.
~D

Lawsuit challenges rejection of Central Park rally permit Associated Press Writer
August 13, 2004, 8:43 PM EDT

NEW YORK -- An anti-war group and an organization of Arab Americans filed a lawsuit late Friday challenging the city's denial of a permit for a civil rights rally in Central Park two days before the Republican National Convention.

The anti-war ANSWER coalition and the National Council of Arab Americans said in the lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Manhattan that they were unfairly denied a permit for an Aug. 28 rally on the Great Lawn by the city Department of Parks and Recreation.

http://www.kold.com/Global/story.asp?S=2173166

Joe, are you aware that Oscar Wilde was gay? I've been to his grave in Paris, it's covered with kisses in red lipstick, I think from both genders. Are you comfortable with that?
~D

Am I supposed to have a problem with him simply because he was gay? See that is the problem with liberals, you always assume.

* A norwegian professor believes al-Qaida is a Pentagon-fiction:
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/uriks/article.jhtml?articleID=396241

* Syrias president questions the existence of al-Qaida:
http://www.gopusa.com/news/2003/may/0526_assad_denial.shtml

May 26, 2003 Syria Denies Existence of Al Qaeda - KUWAIT CITY (Talon News) -- Syrian President Bashar Assad revealed in a newspaper interview on Sun that he does not believe there is a terrorist grp called al Qaeda, the org widely believed to be the perpetrators of the hijackings on 9/11/01 awa the recent attacks in Saudi Arabia & Morocco.

* "Is there really an entity called al Qaeda? It was in Afghanistan, but is it there anymore?" Assad asked. - Assad speculated about the existence of al Qaeda & its notorious leader Usama bin Laden in a Kuwaiti newspaper called Al-Anba. Nevertheless, questioning the existence of the al Qaeda terrorist network is very popular in Arab countries. Many people in these countries believe that the US has hyperbolized the danger of al Qaeda as a means for portraying Muslims as violent/dangerous.

* Indonesian Bashir believes USA has invented al-Qaida
http://www.gsmpro.com/article/articledt.asp?hArticleId=3910/20/2002

Bashir on Fri accused the US of inventing both al-Qaida & Jemaah Islamiyah to portray Muslims as terrorists.
http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=3054299

Bashir selv skylder på CIA og USA for å stå bak angrepet mot Bali. Han benekter også at gruppene Jemaah Islamiyah og al-Qaida eksisterer.

* Al-qaida did not exist in Afghanistan
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2897137.stm

Fri, 28 March, 2003 - According to Dadullah, al-Qaeda did not exist in Afghanistan & he said he did not know the fate or whereabouts of Osama bin-Laden.

* MOSSAD was caught pretending to be "Al-Qaeda" in Palestine.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda.html

Anytime you hear the corpo news media mention "Al-Qaeda" it is just like in Orwell's "1984" when the telescreens wld have their "2 Min Hate" & the sheeple wld be programmed to be afraid of "Emmanuel Goldstein." A manufactured fake enemy, designed by the warmongering fanatics, to raise public fear & support for more wars to the necessary pitch.

Am I supposed to have a problem with him simply because he was gay? See that is the problem with liberals, you always assume.

My apologies, Joe, I assumed you weren't simply a misogynist.
~D

If i'm a misogynist, then you're a misandry.

Ummmm...yes. I am male.

"I know you are, but what am I?"

Tell ya whut, let's go back to ignoring each other. Seems to work better that way.
~D

misandronist, I meant to write.

how is everyone posting double and triple?
such talent!

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2004/08/16/returning_troops_lose_benefits/
Returning troops lose benefits
By Larry Margasak, Associated Press | August 16, 2004

WASHINGTON -- Increasing numbers of National Guard and Reserve troops who have returned from war in Iraq and Afghanistan are encountering new battles with their civilian employers at home. Jobs have been eliminated, benefits reduced, and promotions forgotten.

Since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the Labor Department reports receiving greater numbers of complaints under a 1994 law designed to give Guard and Reserve troops their old jobs back or provide them with equivalent positions. Benefits and raises must be protected, as if the serviceman or servicewoman had never left.

But some soldiers find that the Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act can't protect them.

Larry Gill couldn't return as a police officer in Thomasville, Ala., because a grenade injured a foot, making it impossible for him to chase criminals.

Jerry Chambers of Oberlin, Kan., found budget cuts had eliminated his job as a consultant to prevent substance abuse.

Ron Vander Wal, of Pollock, S.D., was first told that his job as a customer representative was eliminated. After filing a civil lawsuit seeking damages, he was hired.

The Labor Department said the number of complaints would have been higher if the government had not made an aggressive effort to explain the law to employers.

Elaine L. Chao , the secretary of labor, said the department is drafting rules to spell out the law's protections for service personnel. "We've got to do everything we can to protect their reemployment rights," she said.

The department was receiving about 900 formal complaints a year before Sept. 11, 2001. The statistical picture after that, based on fiscal years ending Sept. 30:

1,218 cases opened in 2002.

1,327 cases in 2003.

1,200 cases from Oct. 1, 2003, through July 31. If projected over 12 months, the figure would be 1,440, the department said.

The department upheld or settled soldiers' complaints in one-third of last year's cases, while another third were found to have no merit. The remaining cases are inactive or closed, often because the government lost contact with the soldier or the soldier returned to active duty.

When Guard and Reserve troops returned from the first Gulf War, there was one complaint for every 54 soldiers leaving active duty. Currently, with the government's aggressive drive to inform employers of the law, the figure has improved to one in 69. The complaints represent a small percentage of the quarter-million Guard and Reserve troops who have left active duty since the Sept. 11 attacks.

Not all returning troops are bitter about their job loss. Chambers, the substance abuse consultant, said budget cuts left his former nonprofit employer no choice but to eliminate his job.

"I don't fault them for that, and I don't hold grudges," Chambers said. He was among the lucky ones, finding employment with his Reserve unit, the 1013th Quartermaster Co., based in North Platte and McCook, Neb.

For others, finding their jobs gone was a hardship, emotionally and economically. Gill, the former Alabama police officer with an injured leg, had to give up a career that began in 1992 and followed the path his father and brother had taken.

While some service members fault former employers for firing them as they served their country, most complaints involved alleged denial of benefits, promotions, and raises, said officials from the Labor Department and a Pentagon organization, Employer Support of the Guard and Reserve.

© Copyright 2004 Globe Newspaper Company.

Hi Dommael & JoannaOregon and thank you very much for your welcome!

I have always found your posts interesting, informative and witty!

As I made clear in my first post, I am no fan of GWB at all and I can see why you would prefer Kerry as, in my eyes anyway, he comes across as far more reasonable and intelligent man for starters.

Hey, it's alright for me I don't have to live under him - or do I?

Unfortunately, whilst campaigning financing and lobbyists hold as much sway as they do in DC, I think all politicians are in the pockets of their real paymasters. To my mind that translates into something other than democracy - corporatism, private government?

To have real democracy the people need to be listened to ALL the time - not just every 4 years.
Over here it's commonly referred to as elected dictatorship ( as pioneered by Mrs T.).

I also think the powers that be have decided to throw their weight behind Kerry. The US needs more credibility overseas but you're quite right you'll need to watch him.

misandronist, I meant to write. Considering you don't bother to read what I write, and you insist on making assumptions. I could care less if you choose not to respond.

Jase, and anyone else interested in a mundane approach to economics can check out Robert Gover's series of articles over at Stariq.com if you haven't all ready.

Even if Kerry wins this election, I don't believe we can expect the impossible from him. The plutocracy is ingrained in this country and it will take a major upheaval to dislodge it/them. My belief is that the transit of Pluto thru Capricorn beginning in 2008, will be the force to upend the control of the corporations. A decade from now when Uranus in Aries squares that Pluto in Capricorn and it forms aspects to the USA Sun sq Saturn, that will be key. There will also be the USA Pluto return in 2022.

http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0000518.htm
From his article entitled "Saturn and Great Depressions, pt 2," By Robert Gover

***The Pluto-Uranus conjunction of the 60s changed American cultural assumptions about race, gender, economic justice and the right of government to induct people into the military.

It's therefore a good bet that when Pluto and Uranus create a grand cross with the U.S. Sun-square-Saturn in 2014, we can look for another time of social upheaval and changing cultural assumptions. Whatever revolutionary angst has built up the most force will manifest (Pluto) in ways that cannot be predicted (Uranus).

Tied to the Past

Although the Pluto-Uranus combinations of the 1700s and 1960s moved us toward democracy, something like an umbilical cord continued to tie us to medieval autocracy. What had developed by the 1990s was governance by plutocracy masked as democracy. The rich still controlled democratically elected lawmakers.

The Pluto-anchored grand cross of 2014 appears destined to sever the umbilical cord to medieval autocracy and establish a purer form of democracy. How this will come about, however, is unpredictable (Uranus). ***

"...that is the problem with liberals, you always assume."

It's a good thing you can assume we liberals always make assumptions, otherwise I'd have something to make fun of.

Jase, I agree with you, but what would you have us do?
~D

Shade, you are absolutely right. 2020 when the Grand Conjunction occurs (Jupiter/Saturn) again it will be in conjunction at 0 Aquarius, an air sign. The materialistic heaviness of the last conj. in Taurus (in 2000) will begin to lift and we will be looking at the result of supporting the plutocracy and how that's affected the world. Corporations (global and national) will be experiencing some tremendous upheavals as the people begin to turn on them and see what global havoc they have brought.Pluto is right now moving back and forth over the 1992/93 conjunction of Uranus/Neptune in Capricorn, breaking up what was started at that time, not only for countries, but for the collective and for individuals.

A few years ago I did some return cycles (amazing how many wars take place with major Gemini outer planet placements)....and a complete Pluto cycle comes in during that decade between 2020 and 2030 from the Revolutionary War beginnings. Neptune completes a cycle in that decade which started during the Civil War and the events leading up to the war. Uranus completes the cycle which started in the Depression....the conjunction of Pluto and Neptune takes 500 years to complete....it last happened in the 1890s, in Gemini. So we won't be around for that completion...(could be the square takes place in that decade). We are in the beginning of a cycle which, going back 500 years to the late 1300's, ushered in the Renaissance. I wonder what they will call THIS cycle?

Hey....that royalty thing really pushed some major buttons with some folks....well, don't be so sensitive ..... and don't assume that you are "just peasants"....that is reverse snobbism and probably isn't true anyway.....!

BTW....under the first King George (1990, not England!) I lost my home, my career, got audited by the IRS for a tax shelter that was legal when I was in it but congress changed the rules, got fined 100% penalties because my investment LOST money and ended up in chapter 13. Now I am still in chapter 13, and under this King George the Lamebrained, I have no work (advertising gets hit first in a recession) while living in an economy fueled by people who have gotten enormous tax breaks. I don't now make enough money to pay taxes, but I still OWE enormous amounts of back taxes. And we will owe still more because of this illbegotten, rapacious, ugly collection of murderous, cold and nasty neocons.

I don't know HOW people can say that Kerry is "no better" than Bush.....since I am at least 10th cousins to both of them, I will be the first to say ..... ideas count....vote the ideas. Don't forget, they said Al Gore and Bush were "just the same".....and no way they would have been, it is just more trash. Tune in and DROP out of major news media.

Boy, it really pisses me off when people say things like "there is no difference" ....they are all just corporate shills.....anyone listening to Kerry or Teresa HK wouldn't have made a remark like that.

Sorry....just sort of found my self getting angry.

And how would anyone KNOW that since Kerry hasn't been elected yet? Beware of the politically cynical.

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