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The Power of Blue
July 17, 2004, 7:24 AM Washington, DC
From "Finding Opportunity Periods", by Jim Shawvan. "Finding Opportunity Periods
Step 1: Determine when the Moon is Void of Course (V/C). The Moon is said to be Void of Course from the time it makes the last Ptolemaic ("major") aspect in a sign until it enters the next sign. The Ptolemaic aspects are the conjunction, opposition, square, trine and sextile. In eight of the twelve signs of the Zodiac, Moon Void periods are definitely NOT Opportunity Periods. In the other four signs, however, they are! According to the 17th-century English master William Lilly, the Moon in the signs of the Moon and Jupiter "performeth somewhat". Horary guru Lee Lehman says that she has taken this to the bank many times - and so have I! The signs of the Moon and Jupiter are:
Prisoners Sodomised ~
Seymour Hersh, who reported on the torture of the prisoners in New Yorker magazine in May, told an audience in San Francisco that "it's worse". But he added that he would reveal the extent of the abuses: "I'm not done reporting on all this," he told a meeting of the American Civil Liberties Union.
This New Moon invites us to deepen our attunement with the feminine aspect of consciousness. The word ³matter² comes from the same root as the word for ³mother²
Morgana Seawalker on Jul 18 | Link
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Morgana, you just take my breath away! I don't know what astrologically is going on with you, Nancy, Sally, et al., but it is producing some magnificent work. Since this Cancer moon is part of my lunar return--well, I bow my head in gratitude. And for this awesome article, too. Posted by: on July 18, 2004 02:56 AMMorgana, You are really listening. I was waiting for your wisdom words. Mother = matter. Wonderful description. That is my new mantra ;-) morgana, your work with the moon is so on target, particularly this time with the connection to the *child* prisoners and their abuse. i like your white house trifecta: 'Decadence, depravity sexual perversion.' you're too kind. the german media now reporting the story (again) is using the international red cross report as a basis. talk about an 'october' surprise. Posted by: mike on July 18, 2004 05:31 AMcnn wants to know if you think Ahhhhhhnold should be on a stamp. Please, go vote. Posted by: shylurker on July 18, 2004 06:41 AMAhhhhhhnold should be...DEPORTED immediately Posted by: mike on July 18, 2004 06:47 AMMike, you are always SO at a loss for words! Let's give the you-know-what a broom and tell him to ride it! Posted by: shylurker on July 18, 2004 06:55 AMshylurker, so much so, i'm using your words (lol). i can't wait until the big A addresses the republican convention. what values -- steroids, sexual harassment (hey there's a fit with the white hosue), and a one-dimensional sociopathic personality. i'm hoping all this moon activity and nancy's usuall sterling analysis proves out and we have a new chance. when i get down, i go over to starlightnews.com and look at nancy's timeline. one chart i'd like to see is on FL on election day. it looks like it will be a mess with more disenfranchisement. if that happens, i think there will be protests all overthe country. lovely, huh... Posted by: mike on July 18, 2004 07:14 AMIs it too much to ask in "the land of the free and home of the brave" that just ONE official high enough in either the white house, pentagon, CIA, etc. who has the name recognition and pulic credibility to come forward and forthrightly state "for the good of the republic, even though I know they will come after me and my family with everything they have got, I must now tell the nation the TRUTH behind Plame/Abu Gharub/ Halliburton/white house pressure on the intelligence community to lie/ etc. Is there even just ONE high profile American patriot currently serving in this vile administration who will put "duty, honor, country" ahead of his/her career and continued personal comfort? If not then we may truly be on the irrevocable path to the second American revolution demanding (at the very least) Thank you Morgana! So lively and creative and rings of truth that shines through my heart. All our wonderful states in their full glory are going to go blue, and in my bravado I am including the great state of Texas. The poor and downtrodden and unemployed and underemployed have suffered in Texas perhaps more than any other state in the union. Posted by: Laurie on July 18, 2004 09:45 AMWhile we see the states as blue, we should also be very aware of the following: E-Democracy: Stealing the Election in 2004 George W. Bush has stated: "I don’t plan on losing my job."(1) What the president neglects to mention is that he is willing to use any means necessary to stay in power, including stealing the November 2004 election. Americans will never know the real vote totals because there will not be a paper trail. All three black box computer manufacturers are Republican-led corporations actively involved in Bush’s re-election campaign Corporations have privatized the election process and now potentially control the votes. Plan A is simply to "buy" the election with the multi-million dollar advertising campaign now in progress. Plan B is another Orange Code terror alert, similar to the ones manufactured five times since September 11, 2001. The use of a Red Code alert, which according to Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge "basically shuts down the country," is also a real possibility. In short, if you can’t "buy" the votes of the American people, you can "scare" them into voting for Bush, with or without an actual terrorist attack. 2 Plan B, in it’s most extreme form, involves a military coup (disguised as emergency measures) and the suspension of the U.S. Constitution. This is the scenario outlined by retired General Tommy Franks in November, 2003.3 (See Maureen Farrell’s article on page. ) Plan C involves what might be described as "a bloodless coup" by secretly rigging the 2004 election. The new black box computer voting machines leave absolutely no verifiable paper trail. Hence, there will be no way to double check a disputed election. Interestingly enough, all three black box computer manufacturers are Republican-led corporations actively involved in Bush’s re-election campaign. --More-- Posted by: Laurie on July 18, 2004 09:55 AMDon't think Ahhhhhnold can be on a stamp even if he wanted too - I was under the impression that the #2 rule of determining who/what gets put on a stamp is that no LIVING person shall be considered?? Has this changed?? Posted by: Siobhan on July 18, 2004 03:15 PMSiobhan, good point. they're using the technical argument that as a droid, programmed by his corporate masters, arnold is technically brain dead. as a native califorinian, born and lived there until 23, i'm amazed on an ongoing basis about his popularity there...then i remind myself that when the tried oj, california courts had not yet officially recognized dna as proven science. Posted by: mike on July 18, 2004 04:21 PMLaurie, It is so sad that 'The Great State of Texas' has taken a beating from the thugs which have claimed Texas as their personal prize. Ya'll have your hands full with that carpet bagger Tom DeLay. Your judicial system on a microcasm basis reflects the macrocasm of the corruption that permeates the SCOTUS, ethnic intolerance, crooked cops, crooked'r sidewinder politicians, voters disenfranchised by redistricting. The home of all those corrupt power mongers who stole Billions from California, Oregon and Washington residents through their manipulation of the power grid. May the real Texan's rise up once again and reclaim their greatness and send those scurvy dude's to the hoosegow! And take Kay Bailey Hutchison with you please. Where is Ann Richards? I love that woman! Posted by: Morgana on July 18, 2004 05:20 PMExcellent and hopeful Morgana! It's so good to see your articles once again! http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/96oct/obrien/blood.htm Thomas Jefferson: Radical and Racist, October 1996 The "Tree of Liberty" letter From Thomas Jefferson to William Smith Paris, November 13, 1787 http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/2686000 Ellsberg urging secrets be told
Joseph Wilson vs. the right-wing conspiracy
The Senate's bad intelligence
Absolute faith http://www.gendergappers.org/2004-029.htm WE STOPPED THINKING That's right. Following the election of President Clinton, Liberals stopped thinking about tomorrow. They let their minds and hearts get fat and lazy while the Conservatives fed their political beasts and sponsored more and more hate filled talk shows. Libs seemed to blow off the stirring song that led Clinton/Gore to victory and 8 years in the White House. Cons kept hate alive by constantly going after President Clinton and everyone in his administration. Eight long years and it cost the Libs plenty. Look at where they are after 3-1/2 years of Bush. Conservative media is rampant on network and cable TV, many newspapers and magazines. The Libs (only belatedly) have Air America Radio, some great columnists/books and Fahrenheit 9/11. Is it too little too late? The signs go this way and that but one thing is clear. Liberals still shy away from the name "Liberal." This is unconscionable. It is the Cons who have contrived to make it a dirty word by intonation and by constantly linking it with tax and spend in their negative ads. More..... There is strength in numbers. Posted by: Pat C on July 18, 2004 05:34 PMOne of these days, I would like to make the time to do a history of the term "liberal," and combine it with a list of liberal accomplishments. I'm sure there are articles about this on the net, but I cannot do this research for a while. If someone else want to and has the time, it would be good to have some good PR available about us liberals. Of course, all terms like "liberal," "conservative," "Democrat," "Republican," are generalizations/stereotypes and can be used negatively or positively. It would be good, however, to have some specific information on positive liberal-driven accomplishments to build up a new, reframed picture of the term so people can realize just how much we have contributed to this great country of ours. Thanks, Morgana, for a great article. GO BLUE! Sharon Posted by: Sharon Katz on July 18, 2004 06:20 PMThis is the Fight of Our Lives (Excerpt)..."There's no question about it: The corporate conservatives and their allies in the political and religious right are achieving a vast transformation of American life that only they understand because they are its advocates, its architects, and its beneficiaries. In creating the greatest economic inequality in the advanced world, they have saddled our nation, our states, and our cities and counties with structural deficits that will last until our children's children are ready for retirement, and they are systematically stripping government of all its functions except rewarding the rich and waging war....." (continued, an excellent expose) http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0616-09.htm Posted by: jamsmitty on July 18, 2004 06:35 PMGrizzly, I can't name one. I thought Kucinich at first, but I don't hear him now. I thought Dean but I don't hear him now either. I respected Sharpton and his voice too has been silenced. Ted Kennedy, well then there's Senator Byrd, but no one is listening. If you do find one let us know! Heavy times, people! One positive thing that is emerging is the trend (so amply illustrated by all the articles you've posted above) toward uncovering and broadcasting the truth. That more and more thoughtful and documented articles sounding the alarm are being produced also means, does it not, that more and more people are interested in knowing the truth? I think so. To turn to our favorite trivial matter: Ahhhhhhhhhhhnold has proposed giving the state prison guards union a contract that is so lavish that it gives the lie to his sputtering around about belt-tightening, program cutting, etc. Yesterday, however, he truly out-did himself. He called the Democrats in the Legislature "girlie men." Stay tuned. Posted by: shylurker on July 18, 2004 07:35 PM"girlie men" How perfect could his signal be?? Posted by: Pat C on July 18, 2004 08:49 PMI just read about the 'girlie-men' comment on DU and sent it out to my gay male friends. MUST READ COMPENDIUM OF ABUSE OF CIVIL SOCIETY BY JUNTA: by HR Pantheon http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?pt=TqpbUhQ%2FgtL9SmIvpLHkfw%3D%3D Posted by: Pat C on July 18, 2004 10:05 PMIf you have the time, it is worth spending some on listening to the neo-cons' conference on CSpan, archived from 9/16/2001: AEI, WASHINGTON, DC. It. is . just . amazing.... “Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show we mean business.” -Ledeen, Sept 16, 2001 "If you think we can just do Afghanistan and not do Iraq at the same time, we have a rare opportunity now and the means to embark on a wide cleanup of terrorists worldwide." --Gingrich, Sept 16 2001 "We cannot get trapped in legal nicities, we need to be feared and respected- no middle ground- strong in the belief that Iraq has wmds and is a danger that must be removed. I trust day-by-day it materialize that Iraq is in our crosshairs. Ruthlessness in war with respect to our enemies. By ruthlessnees I mean ALL gloves off- ALL."--- Woolsey. Sept 16, 2001 It all started right here. I hope CSpan continues to preserve it. CSpan- video Archive page BLUE Posted by: Pat C on July 18, 2004 10:54 PMBam! BREAKING: Enron E-Mail Has DeLay in Hot Water http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/071904Y.shtml In only a few e-mails, Enron employees laid bare the reality of politics: the money trail from companies seeking favors from lawmakers with the power to grant them. The e-mails circulated among Enron officials in 2000 and 2001, before the collapse of the Houston energy company, are under review by the House ethics committee, which is considering whether to investigate the fund-raising activities of the No. 2 leader in the House, Rep. Tom DeLay, R-Texas. Enron officials map out in the e-mail how to get the most for their financial contributions, while politicians compete for credit in securing large campaign donations from the company. The e-mails "really do pull the curtain back and give you a view of how it's done," said Larry Noble, executive director of the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks political contributions and spending. Attention has refocused on the e-mails since a Texas Democrat filed an ethics complaint last month against DeLay. Rep. Chris Bell accused the majority leader of soliciting and accepting political contributions from a Kansas energy company, Westar Energy Inc., in return for legislative favors. DeLay's office denies there was any quid pro quo. DeLay contends Bell filed the complaint because Bell is bitter over losing his primary race in March. What DeLay and other politicians cannot deny is that the Enron e-mails illustrate the nature of political fund raising. "The e-mails are an indication of what goes on behind closed doors," said Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, an ethics watchdog group that has filed suits over political fund-raising. Both Democrats and Republicans, he said, "engage in a shell game that from outside may look at times technically legal, but when you get these communications on contributions solicited for the campaign, their technical arguments fall apart." In an e-mail from May 31, 2001, Enron lobbyists Rick Shapiro and Linda Robertson discuss a $50,000 contribution solicited by Republican organizations for a dinner saluting President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney. "With the assistance of Congressman Tom DeLay we were able to apply our previously contributed soft money toward this dinner. Consequently, we will be credited as giving $250,000 to this event, even though we are being asked to give only $50,000 in new soft money," according to the e-mail sent to Enron's now ex-chairman, Kenneth Lay, and a second executive. Soft money contributions are made by companies and individuals to political parties. These donations to parties were outlawed by a campaign finance law that went into effect in 2002. Other organizations still can accept soft money dollars but are limited in how they can spend them. The e-mails show "pretty clearly corporations were being asked for contributions by members of Congress who held the fate of legislation important to corporations in their hands," said Trevor Potter, president and general counsel of the Campaign Legal Center, a campaign finance monitoring group. More.... Posted by: Pat C on July 19, 2004 12:09 AMMorgana - powerfully inspiring though I sit here in a puddle of misery over those still being abused horribly by the keepers of the free world -politics be damned!I am morbid - for me the abuse should be over but the sickness that breeded it continues so how can I be so naive? - political astrology really offers no indication here really when the most personal and haneous abuse will be interrupted in this war - makes bombing people look merciful. Forgive the rant but I appreciate your candidness - the horror should fill our hearts - I want to see it in the faces in the street, at work, but no...God Bless Seymour and that which is hidden is brought to light - but to stop it is something else entirely. Morgana, excellent. And, so good to hear your voice! Posted by: Janet on July 19, 2004 02:46 AMMorgana Music! "Sweet Dreams, America" indeed... time to leave the nightmare for sweeter dreams... dreams of Blue, cascades and cascades of Blue, sweeping across the country! Morgana, such an uplifting article... if this is how you write when you are 'recovering, healing, dealing, coping, etc.' --- my goodness, what awaits when you are yourself (or new Self?) again? Kudos! Thank you for the tip about the special yin energy flowing during the period from the new moon in Cancer to the new moon in Leo... that should mean that the coming waxing Blue moon period will be even more fruitful... So, let's all remember that in 'drawing down the moon' and visualize Blue across the country on November 2nd during this time. This is the year of Venus (blue) so we will have lots of yin energy... bhakti, your comment: "I am going to get my hug from Ammachi an Indian saint, a magnificant mother energy on Earth who comes every July to NYC." 1) remember to wear blue, and 2) can you get a 'cyber' hug for all of us? That would be nice! Sharon, about the Cons and the word liberal... I have no problem with calling myself a flaming liberal... I have given up trying to educate conservatives about the word 'liberal' --- they seem intent on twisting so many words... to their own devices. Maybe we should stop apologizing for the word and stand tall for its virtues. Don't let them get you down. Tell them you're a true Blue liberal... that will get them to wondering! Namaste http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=2-0393059421-1 Senator Robert Byrd has a new book out. Losing America: Confronting a Reckless and Arrogant Presidency In the months and years following September 11, Senator Robert C. Byrd has viewed with alarm what he considers to be a "slow unraveling of the people's liberties," when all dissenting voices were stilled and awesome power swung suddenly to the president to fight a "war on terror." This path violates historic American principles — it shows no regard for the balance of powers or the role of the Congress; it invades our privacy; and it eliminates public participation in and understanding of government. Swept along, we have entered a war without proper consideration and rushed dangerous legislation through Congress. Now is the time to regain the Constitution, to return to the values and processes that made America great. Byrd does not shrink from speaking the truth to an ever more aggressive and imperial White House. Posted by: Pat C on July 19, 2004 04:02 AMhttp://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/07/18/BAGHP7M3H41.DTL Ex-gun range's new life as Buddhist monastery Escondido, San Diego County -- In a sun-splashed sanctuary of chaparral, lilac and oak groves, brown-robed Buddhists have gently transformed a land once used for weapons training by San Diego-area law enforcement. Followers of Vietnamese Zen teacher Thich Nhat Hanh have replaced the rattle of machine guns with the ringing of sacred bells. They have repainted and repaired bullet-scarred buildings. Their 400-acre Deer Park Monastery now features a light-filled meditation hall, a waterfall, a fish pond and Zen sayings posted throughout the grounds: Breathe, you are alive. In the four years since they purchased the land, however, the Buddhists have been tackling even more challenging transformations: helping Hollywood entertainers, teenage runaways, inner-city youth, gang members and others tame their personal demons and find peace with themselves. At a recent retreat for the film and television industry, for instance, Nhat Hanh preached the importance of self-love to an assembly of artists including comedian Garry Shandling and producer Larry Kasanoff, who spearheaded the gathering. "You don't need to pretend to be someone else. You don't need plastic surgery," the soft-spoken Nhat Hanh said, setting off a ripple of laughter from the crowd. With such teachings, the monastics of Nhat Hanh's Unified Buddhist Church hope to equip people across different faiths and cultures to practice "mindfulness" -- the cultivation of inner calm in daily life through breathing deeply, slowing down and living fully in the present. More.... Posted by: Pat C on July 19, 2004 06:19 AMOh, Pat, you gotta love it! Buddhists don't proselytize. Isn't that a wonderment? Posted by: shylurker on July 19, 2004 06:29 AMshylurker, it brought a smile to my heart. Posted by: Pat C on July 19, 2004 06:37 AMPat, thank you. Buddhism is so simple, beautiful and gentle. I sent a copy of that article to some of my family. I have a cousin in Florida who is in her early 70s and she just began meditating the last few years with Brahma Kumaris, a group out of India. Thank you for posting that. It brought a smile to my heart to. By the way, in case you guys don't hear from me, I am going on vacation to Boulder, Colorado and Santa Fe New Mexico for a few weeks. I will probably have a way of getting online but who knows for sure? I'll miss you all. Sharon Posted by: Sharon Katz on July 19, 2004 02:33 PMPS: Let's keep fighting the good fight as the keepers of the light that we are. Just keep intensifying that blue white light, and let's do it "liberally" but with mindfulness and a gentle blue spirit. :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) Posted by: Sharon Katz on July 19, 2004 02:37 PMSharon, now you have brought a smile to my heart. Thank you so much for that.:-) Posted by: Pat C on July 19, 2004 03:15 PMI was with friends this w/e... they ALSO will be visualizing BLUE Light! ;O) Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 19, 2004 04:07 PMGood News! It's been playing for several weeks in Ellsworth ME. Enthusiastically received by packed houses. http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,12589,1250677,00.html http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,4120,1256962,00.html Still more............ http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1256558,00.html * Fahrenheit fires up Oz box office - Michael Moore's controversial documentary feature Fahrenheit 9/11 has broken box office records in Australia - & it hasn't even opened yet. ..."Its incredible," Sydney's Hayden Orpheum Picture Palace gen mgr Paul Dravet said. "I am just so surprised by the diversity of the audience, from kids to older adults absolutely incredible. "We have had sold out sessions & queueing problems all w/e & every single session is getting rapturous applause." ... See http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/19/1090089082124.html?oneclick=true Saw this article posted at DU about the cancellation by the U.S. of a $495.5 million debt owed by Pakistan to the U.S. Hmmmm. Could this be the reward (or downpayment on one) for "capturing" Osama bin Ladin? http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_17-... Posted by: Susan on July 19, 2004 06:14 PM
http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,64237,00.html Posted by: wv on July 19, 2004 06:54 PMMorgana, so glad to see you back. Molly Ivins has a lovely column about one way some people are living: http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?columnsName=miv I hope I didn't make a mistake copying that link. Posted by: Barbara on July 19, 2004 08:06 PMSusan, you got it. But remember, it's going to blow up in their face. People will know they were keeping him under wraps until the election. Although we'll all be happy he's in custody, when they roll him out in Sept. or Oct., they'll look like the pathetic, desperate, deceitful, creepy morons that they are. Posted by: Sharon Katz on July 19, 2004 08:17 PMSharon Katz - I don't know about blowing up in their face. There will be many of us who're onto these guys and will understand it for the sham it is, but there remain those creepy core republicans who will be unmoved despite what their heroes do. I truly believe that shrub could be filmed "live" on Fox news at high noon on the Whitehouse lawn raping a choirboy and they would think that that was just swell. I've given up trying to understand what they're thinking, because obviously they aren't. Now, as for our legislators, that's another story. Why aren't they looking into that half-a-billion dollar "debt forgiveness". It's not like the federal coffers couldn't use a cash infusion, especially since the Pentagon's missing a billion dollars or so since shrub took office. Posted by: Susan on July 19, 2004 08:40 PMA wonderful little video on the 2000 dyselection scam & theft by republican criminals... http://www.viciouspit.com/
CNN wants to know if you think IRAN was involved in 9/11. Go vote. Posted by: shylurker on July 19, 2004 11:06 PM
http://www.gregpalast.com/printerfriendly.cfm?artid=342 Posted by: wv on July 19, 2004 11:12 PMSharon and Barbara, In regards to the Molly Ivins column, I volunteered at HOME during spring break of my freshman year in college. I helped moved wood and lumber around, and taught a few courses for the kids since they depend on volunteers for their education. There were alot of abused women there who had fled their husbands. And it's true that the recycle and re-use virtually everything. The best way to describe it is that the place is sort of like a permanent homeless shelter. Posted by: Dave on July 19, 2004 11:25 PMMichigan GOP gives Nader 40,000 signatures... http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/printer_072004Y.shtml Posted by: wv on July 19, 2004 11:33 PMHow Kerry got the "D" word....Disenfranchisement! http://www.gregpalast.com/printerfriendly.cfm?artid=350 Posted by: wv on July 19, 2004 11:43 PMVegas Casino Boots Singer Linda Ronstadt Mon Jul 19, 3:57 PM ET LAS VEGAS - Singer Linda Ronstadt not only got booed, she got the boot after lauding filmmaker Michael Moore and his new movie "Fahrenheit 9/11" during a performance at the Aladdin hotel-casino.
A darn sad commentary on how intolerant and fractured our nation and it's citizens have become. Posted by: KAP on July 20, 2004 12:40 AM
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/printer_072004A.shtml Posted by: wv on July 20, 2004 01:55 AMWm Rivers Pitt: 'Suffer the Children' This was e-mailed to me through the Planet Waves political list and I must admit it brought me to tears. Oh the very very good die young, it seems. When the Trees Sing When the trees sing, May 1998 © Matthew Joseph Thaddeus Stepanek from Hope Through
Former President Jimmy Carter marked the passing of a friend last month with these words, "I have traveled to 122 foreign countries, I have known kings and queens, presidents and prime ministers, but the most extraordinary person I have ever known in my life was Mattie Stepanek.'' Just guessing, but if I were fishing for thoughtful, empathetic persons I would not cast my hook into a crowd at a Las Vegas casino. Posted by: Barbara on July 20, 2004 03:29 PMThis latest from Krugman sets a whole new standard. Unbelievable! What a brave man. Posted by: shylurker on July 20, 2004 03:45 PMErick Francis over at Planet Waves has just put up a new article. I don't like his "example" using Bush, however. Interesting read about Chiron in Aquarius. Posted by: shylurker on July 20, 2004 04:00 PMFOR OUR WORLD Click on Mattie's page to find the above! talk about synchronicity......................... I thought of posting it here but there was that awkward keyboard, sunshine Grandchildren to enjoy , & runt guinea hens to heal! Posted by jamsmitty on another site... Mountain Sanctuary http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/world/general/ge-stov.htm
This article in Sunday's New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/18/international/middleeast/18URAN.html?pagewanted=2) says that Patrick Fitzgerald, the Plame investigator, is due to announce within a few weeks if he intends to prosecute anyone in the case. I wonder if it will occur around mid-August, when tr Jupiter will begin to move closer to a conjunction with Kerry's Midheaven? Posted by: gbs on July 20, 2004 08:40 PMBarbara, Your comment gave me one of those laugh-out-loud moments, very insightful and so true. I visited and unofficial LR Website with the ability to leave posts. My God, According to some of the negative posts. . .You would have thought from the remarks and outrage that LR had raped and sodomized men,women and children prisoners. What an up side down set of values a lot of Americans seem to hold. It's time to develop 360 degrees thinking. Understanding the pairs of opposites at play. My understanding of words (the alphabet letters- the One light becoming many lights in constricted form - the words they create which then create mental images forming our perceptions to the world). This One light is in-between the letters, in between the thoughts and in-between the breaths. Whatever this administration says go 180 degrees and that's what they will really do. Only hard to figure out if you think linear. Go between or opposite the concepts they feed and you can feel their true intentions and stay detached. This admin is so incompetant but the people who buy into the BS is more frightening. We are coming out of the dark ages of this linear thinking. The young Indigos think 360 -the shades of greys between the black and white -and we need them to help end the Reign of the Tush. Posted by: bhakti on July 20, 2004 11:07 PMBhakti -
Bhakti, I posted last week that they always do exactly the opposite of what they say they will do. Posted by: Susan on July 20, 2004 11:33 PM Shylurker, I am horrified by this also: - snip - <> George Bush obviously loses the November presidential election, but when the votes come in they somehow add up to victory. But there were no paper ballots so there is no way to have a recount. People mobilized behind a candidate and succeeded, but ultimately failed to make a change. The article is very good: http://planetwaves.net/astrology/chironaquarius2.html This recent issue about Sandy Berger and his subsequent quitting of Kerry's campaign comes with Saturn quincunx Kerry's natal Sun, which will be in effect through about the 23rd. We may see an increase in babble over this issue or another one to irritate Kerry in the next couple of days, but then things will subside. My guess is that Kerry is pretty miffed at the nasty GOPiggie attack but feels powerless to respond and just has to swallow it (Saturn). I would love to hear the real story on the Berger affair. There has to be more to it than what we are getting. Posted by: on July 21, 2004 01:10 AMLou Dobbs wants to know if you think states should be required to have those voting machines issue voters paper receipts. Go vote. http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/ Posted by: shylurker on July 21, 2004 01:43 AMNow Wolf Blitzer wants to know if you think elections should be postponed in the event of a terrorist attack. Go vote.
Sandy Berger is a HERO in my book! He is the one who told Condi Rice to put terrorism at the top of the list - she denies he said so. He's smart and been around the block once or twice... maybe he thought some papers were classified simply to keep info from the public... maybe those same documents shed some light on this administration and its misdeeds... maybe he'd rather have the info out and even be fined or imprisoned for 'taking it' ---- maybe he's a pearl in an oyster! Whatever, you can bet we haven't heard the last of this... ---------- No. 1 --- since when does ONE planet's (or in this case an asteroid) transit tell the entire story? No. 2 --- Chiron was last in Aquarius in 1955 and into the 60s... The 1950s were an era in which people tried to assess and react to the changes unleashed by the 1940s. On New Year's Eve, 1955, there were only 5 independent nations in the whole continent; ten years later, there were 38. In domestic politics (and therefore invisible on the map), the 1960s were dominated by the coming of age of the generation which had been born after the Second World War. Because the birth rate had soared in the late 1940's following a major plummet during the previous bad times, this was probably the largest and most cohesive single generation of the century. The world's biggest country saw the biggest manifestation as the Cultural Revolution shook China. Here the Communist leadership used the young, idealistic Red Guards to break the power of the entrenched bureacracy -- and then used the Army to break the Red Guards. In Czechoslovakia, an idealistic move towards a less repressive regime provoked a Soviet invasion. In the United States, the youth movement focused its energies opposing American involvement in the Vietnamese Civil War, while in France, student rebellion almost brought down the government. No. 3 --- Eric's analysis of Chiron in Aquarius doesn't resonate with me... can't really say why... Namaste Josh Marshall at http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com Hello folks. On the Conspiracy Planet website there are several articles by Astrologist Sheldon Rosner. They are really very interesting reads. Anyone familiar with him? The latest article is Astrology: Saturn, Cancer, Kerry, Nader. Night Patricia Posted by: Patricia on July 21, 2004 03:32 AMThat's our Army......thinking what's best for us!
In regards to the Sandy Berger incident, I get this strange feeling that Berger took those documents deliberately. I have a lurking suspicion that the investigation into this incident may reveal something critical that has nothing to do with the incident itself. It seems to me almost as if Berger was trying to get caught doing this for some reason...that by getting caught, Berger would force some piece of information into the public eye that would not have otherwise been know. Just a theory. Posted by: Dave on July 21, 2004 05:35 AMSusan, Riggs bank http://atrios.blogspot.com/2004_07_18_atrios_archive.html#109037147565092793 This time, Pinochet. President Bush told Chilean President Ricardo Lagos there would be a "full investigation" into allegations that Riggs Bank helped former Chilean dictator Gen. Augusto Pinochet hide millions of dollars from international prosecutors. Make sure to read all of the links. The report found that Pinochet's deposits at Riggs varied from $4 million to $8 million, held in several personal and corporate accounts. A "senior delegation" of bank officials traveled to South America in 1996 to solicit business, including Pinochet's, the report said. Who went to the meeting? Links from above- One of the problems is that Wednesday's WP article- Obstacles Block Tracking of Terror Funding Task Is Complex, Leadership Is Lacking, Critics Say carefully omits this vital information altogether: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A48391-2004Jul13?language=printer Washington, D.C., May 31, 2000 - Riggs Bank N.A. today announced that the Board of Directors of RIMCO, a wholly owned investment management subsidiary, has elected Jonathan J. Bush President & Chief Executive Officer and a Director, replacing Philip Tasho who resigned. In addition, Henry A. Dudley, Jr. was elected Chairman. Mr. Bush will continue as Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of J. Bush & Co., an investment management company he founded in 1970, which Riggs acquired in 1997. Mr. Dudley, a 24-year veteran of Riggs, will continue to be responsible for all of Riggs Bank's investment management, trust and private banking business. Located in the nation's capital, Riggs Bank has 53 branches in the Washington, DC metropolitan area, as well as banking offices in Miami, London and Berlin. http://www.riggsbank.com/Discover_Riggs/may31_00.html Posted by: Pat C on July 21, 2004 03:15 PMDave, Think BLUE! Posted by: Jo on July 21, 2004 03:16 PMDid the Trilateral Commission boot Whoopi Goldberg? BoD for Unilever which is a UK company. How interesting...a member of the Trilateral Commission. Niall FitzGerald Chairman, Unilever PLC and vice chairman, Unilever N.V. Outside Unilever, he joined the board of Reuters as a non-executive director on 1 January 2003. Other activities include president of the Advertising Association, vice chairman of the Conference Board, member of the Council of the World Economic Forum, member of the International Advisory Board of the Council on Foreign Relations, trustee of The Leverhulme Trust, a governor of the National Institute of Economic and Social Research, a council member of Co-operation Ireland and a fellow of the Royal Society of Arts. He also serves as a member of the Trilateral Commission, the US Business Council and the EU-China Committee. He is a member of various advisory bodies, including president of South Africa’s International Investment Advisory Council and the Shanghai Major’s International Business Leaders’ Council. Truth is stranger than fiction. Posted by: Pat C on July 21, 2004 03:17 PMThey want to know if you think Sandy Berger is telling the truth. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434 Posted by: shylurker on July 21, 2004 03:44 PMLooks like it's being freeped. Posted by: Pat C on July 21, 2004 04:15 PMHowdy, Astroworlders! I've been AWOL from the board for the last few days (been entertaining some out~of~town alien visitors.) Looking forward to catching up on the discussions! Welcome back Dommael!
* A Bush Referendum - The overwhelming tide of support bush enjoyed after 9/11 has decidedly turned, & the 3rd of the electorate that IDs itself as moderate is no longer rallying behind their man. Like Sen Joseph McCarthy was 50 yrs ago, bush is poised for the fall from power. From public distrust to the "official" dissent of former CIA agts/ambassadors, Mark Hertsgaard spells out why bush can't expect 4 more yrs in Nov. http://www.tompaine.com/print/a_bush_referendum.php Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 21, 2004 05:20 PMI found Eric's Aquarius article just now, but can't find the Bush article. It was referenced here yesterday too (Skylurker?) and I looked and looked, everywhere. What do I click on the find it? Posted by: Beverly on July 21, 2004 05:38 PMCould I have a link to the Conspiracy Plant astrology article, if anyone has it? Posted by: Beverly on July 21, 2004 05:41 PMA Mark Morford... * Rig My Election, Please! Just how far will desperate repubs go to trick America into another bushCo victory? Semi-clever, ultra-wealthy bush supporters suddenly donating piles of money to the Nader campaign in an obvious attempt to steal votes from John Kerry? Pshaw. Ptouey. Child's play. Tip of the iceberg. A mere distraction. We ain't seen nuthin' yet. This is the time of desperation/anxiety. This is the time of hysterical Orange Alerts & imminent al Quada attacks coming from outta nowhere at any minute & violating our children & kicking our puppies & badly denting our Honda Accords. And yes, this is the time of election-yr political tactics coming from the increasingly anxious Right that will make Sun Tzu's "Art of War" look like a cupcake cookbook. ... con't http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/g/a/2004/07/21/notes072104.DTL&type=printable Hahahaaaaa! *ush, The Bloody, is outta here!!! Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 21, 2004 06:19 PMHA!! http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm DNC Press Release MCAULIFFE FILES FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT REQUEST; Requests All Documents Shared Between the Department of Justice and White House Regarding Investigation of Sandy Berger Washington, D.C. -In response to the questionable timing of the public release of information regarding the investigation of former National Security Advisor Sandy Berger, Democratic National Committee Chair Terry McAuliffe officially filed a Freedom of Information Act request today for the release of correspondence between the Department of Justice and the White House regarding this investigation. Below is a copy of McAuliffe's official letter of request. Melanie Ann Pustay, Deputy Director July 21, 2004 Dear Ms. Pustay: This letter constitutes a request under the Freedom of Information Act ("FOIA"), 5 U.S.C. §552, and is submitted on behalf of the Democratic National Committee. According to recent reporting, an investigation into former National Security Adviser Samuel Berger has been going on for at least nine months, since October 2003. Yet, the criminal investigation only came to light three days prior to the release of a report expected to be critical of the Bush administration's lack of focus on the events leading up to the 9-11 attacks. As conservative scholar Norm Ornstein stated, "you can't look at the timing of this with anything but an enormous amount of skepticism." [CNN, 7/20/04] In light of the seriousness of the possibility that the Bush administration and the Department of Justice have politicized an ongoing investigation, it is imperative that this Freedom of Information request is responded to in an expedited manner. Under the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act, 5 U.S.C. 552 and the regulations of the Department of Justice, 28 C.F.R. §16.3, I am requesting copies of the following: Any and all communications relating or referring to the investigation of Samuel ("Sandy") Berger, between, correspondence (including electronic mail) between, memoranda between, phone records of communications between, meeting notes and/or minutes of meetings between, on the one hand, any official or employee of the US Department of Justice AND, on the other hand, (i) the Executive Office of the President or any unit or office thereof (including but not limited to the Office of the Vice President); (ii) any official, employee, or representative of the Republican National Committee; OR (iii) any official, employee or representative of the Bush-Cheney 2004 presidential campaign. This request covers all documents created during the period from and including October 1, 2003 through and including July 20, 2004. For your purposes in filling this request, please consider me under the category of "all other organizations," as defined by the Freedom of Information Act. If there are any fees for copying or searching for the records I have requested, please inform me of the cost prior to searching or copying, and only if the total exceeds $100. If all or any part of this request is denied, please cite the specific exemption which you believe justifies your refusal to release the information and inform me of your agency's administrative appeal procedures available to me under the law. Please provide all information on a rolling basis if possible. I appreciate your handling of this request as quickly as possible and I look forward to hearing from you within 20 working days, as the law stipulates. If you have any questions or need further information concerning the above request, please contact me at the address below or at 202-863-8121. Thank you for your attention to this request. Sincerely, Terence R. McAuliffe, Chairman Beverly, the short para on Bush is in his "All of Us Here" article which was recently posted. Posted by: shylurker on July 21, 2004 06:43 PMhttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5462806/site/newsweek/ Surprising insight from Patti Davis: President Bush ... says that he loves this country and, giving him the benefit of the doubt, I assume he does love his conceptualized idea of America. But I don’t think he loves us — the people who make up this land. The huddled masses. The millions of citizens who just want a peaceful, safe life. Those who want to put their kids through school and see them grow up; who want to take vacations to other countries without fearing for their lives because so much of the world hates us. I don’t think you lie to people you love. I don’t think you send them off into dangerous situations on the basis of murky, cobbled-together information that isn’t really information at all. I don’t think you keep them scared all the time. I don’t think you respond to horrors like public beheadings with cowboy slogans that sound like they came from old John Wayne movies. And I think if someone masterminds an attack on people you love and murders thousands of them, you go after that person until you find him. Posted by: Pat C on July 21, 2004 07:21 PM http://www.villagevoice.com/print/issues/0429/perlstein.php Posted by: wv on July 21, 2004 07:23 PMmsnbc.com wants to know if you think the growing US death toll in Iraq is worth the cost. Go vote. Posted by: shylurker on July 21, 2004 07:24 PMThe Earth is a BLUE planet. :-) Posted by: SeaWitch on July 21, 2004 07:57 PMAhhhh, Morgana, indeed it is a BLUE planet! And the USA is a bluish/purple, growing bluer every passing day... traveling again this past weekend, saw not a SINGLE Bush bumper sticker... nary a one... Posted by: Jo on July 21, 2004 09:44 PMNuclear arms reportedly found in Iraq BAGHDAD, July 21 (UPI) -- Iraqi security reportedly discovered three missiles carrying nuclear heads concealed in a concrete trench northwest of Baghdad, official sources said Wednesday. The official daily al-Sabah quoted the sources as saying the missiles were discovered in trenches near the city of Tikrit, the hometown of ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. "The three missiles were discovered by chance when the Iraqi security forces captured former Baath party official Khoder al-Douri who revealed during interrogation the location of the missiles saying they carried nuclear heads," the sources said. They pointed out that the missiles were actually discovered in the trenches lying under six meters of concrete and designed in a way to unable sophisticated sensors from discovering nuclear radiation. The sources said al-Douri, who is related to former Vice Chairman of the Iraq Revolution Council and Saddam's right-hand man Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, was captured after Iraqi police intercepted an e-mail message in which he set a meeting with another former Baath official. The report could not be authenticated by the interior ministry or the national security department, but the paper noted Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshiar Zibari made a surprise request recently to Mohammed el-Baradei, head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, to resume inspections for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. How timely. Posted by: Pat C on July 21, 2004 10:26 PM.....and now for the whiplash effect.
Baghdad, Iraq, Jul. 21 (UPI) -- A U.S. military official Wednesday denied a report of Iraqi missiles carrying nuclear warheads being found in a concrete trench northwest of Baghdad. The daily al-Sabah newspaper Wednesday had quoted sources as saying three missiles armed with nuclear warheads were discovered in a trench near the city of Tikrit, the hometown of ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. A U.S. military spokesman in Tikrit told United Press International that the report was untrue. "Nothing's been found. The report is not factual," said Master Sgt. Robert Cowens, a spokesman for the 1st Infantry Division, based in Tikrit. The newspaper reported the three missiles were discovered by chance when Iraqi security forces captured former Baath party official Khoder al-Douri who revealed during interrogation the location of the missiles saying they carried nuclear warheads. Al-Sabah said that the missiles were discovered in a trench under six meters of concrete, designed to evade sophisticated sensors. A spokesman with Prime Minister Iyad Allawi's office told UPI that the report concerning the alleged missiles and warheads emerged "while gathering information for Saddam Hussein's tribunal" during the interrogation of a captured former official of Saddam's regime. Are those warheads the same ones that were sighted being brought into Iraq by USA about six months ago...? Remember Shylurker? WV? Pat C? Didn't we track those for a while? I remember emailing the article links to Paul Krugman and Maureen Dowd and half a dozen others... Namaste Posted by: Jo on July 21, 2004 11:39 PMOh yes Jo. Those are out there. Posted by: Pat C on July 21, 2004 11:41 PMI'd just heard about the LR incident over the local (ps. I've had the good fortune to hear Paul Krugman speak - Moveon.org is attempting to get 250,000 comments for Congress in its petition against Fox News. Namaste Posted by: Jo on July 21, 2004 11:49 PMJo, betch one and the same. These guys have lost their credibility. Bush is so low in the polls his own party paints him as the underdog making inroads on Kerry. Talk about delusional! The late night comedians are having a field day. Even the repug's on chicken noodle news are questioning Bush's poll standing this close to the election. Hmm..maybe people are waking up to their worst nightmare, no jobs, no money, no insurance and a family to provide for. Posted by: Morgana on July 22, 2004 12:00 AMRemember Lyndon Johnson's comment --- "if I've lost Walter Cronkite, I've lost America" ? ---After reading Patti Davis' comments I know Rove must be livid (purple?) --- imagine being the Republican pResident running for election and having the Reagan family against you? Karl might as well let Dubya go to Crawford in August for his annual 'vacation' ... if you've lost the Reagans, you've lost... well, Dubya needs his rest anyway... he looks stressed... and blue... real Blue... Namaste Posted by: Jo on July 22, 2004 12:08 AM
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6528.htm Posted by: wv on July 22, 2004 12:44 AMJo Some time ago I posted an article about the bringing in of weapons to Iraq in misnamed boxes. FWIW, those trucks were US trucks and the Kuwaitis stopped them because they detected radioactive stuff. The Libyan WMDs went who-knows-where (maybe to Iraq?). The concrete-buried nuclear warheads story is now being denied, but who knows if it's true or not and, if it is being denied and is true, why? and . . . . . . . . . ! Arrgh!! GOP plans Boston 'war room' WASHINGTON - Vowing to answer “every misstatement” Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry and his allies make at next week’s Democratic National Convention in Boston, Republicans will set up a “war room” nearby and launch a new Web site devoted to debunking Democrats. “We’re going to set the record straight as Democrats try to sell a story to the American people that’s completely disconnected from the reality,” said Steve Schmidt, a spokesman for President Bush’s re-election campaign. The rapid response operation is a joint effort by the Bush campaign and the Republican National Committee, and will be in full swing next week as Bush takes a break from campaigning and pulls his TV ads during the convention. I recieved a recorded call, from Ed Gillespy, today urging me to register Repug! Infuriated, I lucked out and called, Ed Gillespy himself , in person, in his DC office. I proceeded to dress him out, for intruding on my lunch, and for backing a bunch of criminals ending with; "You should quit and find an honest job!" He was speechless! Oh, Pat, as Dommael would say, "Go to your happy place." Karl Rove is not worth one iota of increase in your blood pressure. (Although I have entertained the notion that they'll steal the election by having all of us have strokes before it, and hence be unable to vote.) Posted by: shylurker on July 22, 2004 01:35 AMBeverly: I don't know how to give you the link to Conspiracy Planet's Sheldon Rosner. Ever once in a while I look on some of the "alternate" websites that I frequent occasionaly and came upon the articles by Mr.Rosner. I just Google Conspiracy Planet and click on the Astrology link and wa la there 'tis. Posted by: Patricia on July 22, 2004 02:28 AMThey're so 'hooked' on war, they're setting up a 'war room' for our convention? Pitiful! These people need a life, and I'm happy to report they will be able to find one come November 2nd. They can go back to hawking dog food or new cars or whatever they sell when it's not ideas of empire... do you think they can sell those worn out ideas on e-bay? Nope, they will go the way of 'swamp land' --- Pat Q, they're not worth a rise in your BP... think blue --- indigo, cobalt, royal, dark, pale, baby, sea --- azul, bleu, seeneey, ao, azzurro, blau, kah-khol, blauw, or bla ... however, you want to say it --- BLUE... freedom, liberty... sky, water... BLUE... victory... sweeping across the country, east to west, north to south, Alaska and Hawaii... BLUE, as far as the eye can see...
Beverly, here's the link: Pat, I'm delighted to read that you chewed out Ed Gillespy! How inspiring for us all~! This might cheer you up: http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=93 Open Letter to Bill Timmins, President Aladdin Casino and Hotel by Michael Moore (my favorite part:) I think you owe Ms. Ronstadt an apology. And I have an idea how you can make it up to her -- and to the millions of Americans you have offended. Invite her back and I'll join her in singing "America the Beautiful" on your stage. Then I will show "Fahrenheit 9/11" free of charge to all your guests and anyone else in Las Vegas who wants to see it. Mr. Timmins, as the song "Desperado" says -- "Come to your senses!" How can you refuse this offer? I await your reply. Yours, Thanks for the support! Pat Q, sorry about the problems your son is having. Maybe these new electoral college votes will perk you up... Kerry 332 the shrub 195 Go to http://electoral-vote.com/ for map and more info, sources... all those red states in the middle are low in ec numbers, and there are still lots of Blue folks there... Go Kerry/Edwards... Go BLUE... Go Kerry/Edwards... Go PEOPLE... Go BLUE... Posted by: Jo on July 22, 2004 01:29 PM
9/ll Report...consider this.... http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4976002-103677,00.html Posted by: wv on July 22, 2004 03:10 PMJo, Jo, some of my family live on Hilton Head Island SC. Never been to Charleston. My Bronx born and raised sister and 30 yr old daughter love Bush. I don't get it but do know that the character of all parties reverb at the same rate. I am saying this euphemistically since I am talking about my family. My 81 yr old, lefty father is on his own down there amongst the Bush 'worshippers'. How do Dem lefty Jews from the Bronx become Repugs? and my sister was all for Ken Starr and still blames Clinton. I will confess that they act out my sister's/neice's dark side. The types that screw up and not take responsiblity. A life based around lies, cheating, and blaming the 'other'. Ring a bell? The Repugs behavior tell my sister it's ok to be this way and it will get one ahead. BTW, hardly deal with certain people in my family since I ran from this behavior to be amongst nicer people. Got very strong from it too. The world situation has helped me to heal this wound when Cosmic Justice throws the flashlight onto the darkside.Cosmic justice has proven my insincts have been very sharp all along. Posted by: bhakti on July 22, 2004 03:46 PMbhakti, I tend to agree with you about those who shirk responsibility and lean toward Bush... same dynamic working in my family... with the added ingredient of the Fundies... my baby sister whom I always considered one of the brightest crayons in the box stopped reading when she married very young to a non-thinking type... started reading again, only the bible, when she 'found Jesus' very late in life... my conversations with family center around family --- when they move into the area of politics and religion, I put closure on the conversation... when the invasion began in Iraq began I refused to talk with my baby sister at all... she had been praying for the invasion! She never 'got it' that I had difficulty with her prayers! Family is simply that... blood kin... most members for me are a 'spiritual test' (as I am sure I am for them!) I love them unconditionally (at least I'm working on it!!!) But I have to look outside the family for support and dialog and even debate about the internal and external world... BTW, Hilton Head is a very difficult environment... for me, anyway... I love the ocean, but am never comfortable there... too superficial, with all the architecture 'conforming' and the people likewise... like cookies out of the same mold... I prefer the Isle of Palms near Charleston... but all of the coast is becoming overpopulated, at least for my taste... there are still lots of little out of the way places the public hasn't discovered... you know, the ones without stores or restaurants... I can't answer your question, and I'm sure it's rhetorical, about the lefty Jewish Demos becoming Repugs... unless it's his support of Sharon... who IMHO is not looking out for Israel... think Patti Davis' comments about Bush and lack of love of America posted above, and apply same to Sharon and Israel... that's sort of how I see that... so, primarily perhaps those who are the most insecure in America aggress the most? Perhaps they look to an aggressor to find the security they need? But that doesn't bring security, does it... it brings more aggression. It's pretty basic, same thing I tell the grandchildren about conflict resolution. But most grownups don't get it... yet... we're still hoping, though, aren't we? I left Charleston when I was 18... the vibrations there are difficult for me... probably my lifetimes as a slave, sometimes white, sometimes of color... but the place reeks of pain... except for small pockets... my gggrandmother's home, is very peaceful, because she was... her energy is still there, in her son who is an angel walking the earth... married to a blind woman who 'sees' more than I do! Is online; retired, she earned her living as a secretary, typing... writes beautiful poetry, full of images of color... go figure! Pat Q, To all, Namaste Posted by: Jo on July 22, 2004 04:22 PMAnother scandal on the horizon? http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-07-22-us-afghanistan_x.htm Posted by: shylurker on July 22, 2004 05:12 PMHappy Birthday, Shylurker! another potential Bushco liability, once again http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6540.htm Posted by: Garry on July 22, 2004 06:05 PMJo, Pat, one of your "purposes for being here" is obviously to brighten our lives. Thank you! Dommael, thanks so much. You have a good day, too. Posted by: shylurker on July 22, 2004 06:35 PMThanks Jo and Pat QOP for your replies, the HH comment is exactly how I feel about the place, not my cup of tea. If I want comformity and snooty I'll go right out my door in stuffy Bklyn Hts. I'm learning that being a human, dwelling in duality, that the Karma battle is with the 'relations' within yourself first, then outwardly with the Karmic soul group of the immediate family, then society. Bush is a nutjob from a screwed up family. Unfortunately his outward projection of God is denying his own battle within and with that family. PS I saw the saint who hugged 6000 people without a bathroom or standing up break all night long. She started at 6pm on Mon night and ended at 9:30 am on Tues. When it was all done she stood up, cracked jokes before she perkily left the room. Amazing. Such discpline and love, what an inspiration. I needed to sleep 11 hours after her touch. Plus there's been synchronicity like crazy. It's your Brithday, Shylurker? Morgana: I signed the petition about Fox. Thank you so much. I was delighted to do so and glad you posted it here. Did anyone see the "Out-Foxed" movie that play at house parties nation-wide last week-end? (Through Move-on.org) What are your comments if you did. I wish the movie could be distributed some other way which might make it easier to see. I sign up for all the voting, or petitions posted here, so keep them coming. They are important to me and don't always have the time to look around to find them all. Thanks Patricia and Jo for the link to Conspiracy Plant. Jo--Skylurker: Juan Williams interviewed Karl Rove this a.m. on Morning Edition. Did anyone here it? I almost felt embarrased for him. But, of course, everything is just fine with the Bush campaign and right about where it should be compared to campaings in the past., etc. etc. I became nauseated and had to get up and do something. Pat: I have longed for the opportunity for the Repugs to call my house or phone so I can tell them what I think. But they never do. I'm afraid I would get all tongue tied and flustered if I ever spoke my true feeling though. Furthermore, they would propably hang up on me. Thank you for your courage and spunk. Getting him on the line was rather synchronistic wasn't it? Posted by: Beverly on July 22, 2004 06:49 PMBiggest flip-flopper is that imbecile shrub - till Jo: Re: your comments about "My lifetimes being a slave". Have you done past life regression, or seen your past life birth chart? How did you fine this out? I would like to know my own past lives. Linda Goodman (astrologer) does anagrams with the letters of one's name. If you anagram by full name "slave" is in it. Abraham Lincoln --" born in a cabin", etc. I keep attracting these low wage job (slave) and think I should change my name back to maiden name to get rid of the "slave" vibration. I am fascinated by American History and read everything I can get my hands on about Civil War, slavery, Abe Lincoln, including children's literature. Am also fasinated with the Quacker Religion and anything to do with the underground railroad and abolitionist. I know this is off topic a little, but am fascinated. Please do tell. Posted by: Beverly on July 22, 2004 07:40 PMReports allege that suspected Mossad agent wanted for passport fraud in New Zealand was an Israeli diplomat. http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0722/dailyUpdate.html
Right Axis. Wrong Evil. The capital has plunged into satire. There's the bizarre investigation of Sandy Burglar, as the respected former national security adviser has now been dubbed, pulling a Fawn Hall and smuggling stuff out of the National Archives in his fine washables. And just when you thought the Bush foreign policy couldn't sound more chuckleheaded, revelations in the 9/11 commission report being released today elevated the Bush doctrine to an Ali G skit. The most astute prophet of the administration's Middle East muddle is Sacha Baron Cohen, the hilarious British comedian whose Ali G character is an uninformed gangsta rapper interviewing unwitting V.I.P.'s. This Sunday, HBO will run Ali G's interview with Pat Buchanan, in which he presses the broadcaster about why no "B.L.T.'s" were found in Iraq. Mr. Buchanan plays along, but it's not clear if he actually thinks there were B.L.T.'s in Saddam's arsenal. (Mr. Cohen speculated in The Times later that Mr. Buchanan might have thought it was argot for "ballistic long-range-trajectory missiles.") More....
Halliburton has become a byword for the cosy links between the White House and Texan big business. But how did the company run in the 90s by Dick Cheney secure a deal that guaranteed it millions in profit every time the US military saw action? In this exclusive extract from his new book, Dan Briody reveals how the firm made a killing on the battleground. Posted by: Pat C on July 22, 2004 07:45 PMThe Quacker Religion should be**Quaker**. I need to take a break. Posted by: Beverly on July 22, 2004 07:45 PMThanks, Bhakti, you are a joy. Raj! Good to hear from you. Now, where are Mike & Guido? Viz? Sally? ??? Posted by: shylurker on July 22, 2004 07:58 PMRe: the capital plunging into satire, I first caught the comedian Ali G on tele when I was living in Glasgow. The man is a genius. His character is that of a complete idiot and he interview politicians and throws them questions that confusticate them to no end. It's simply a joy to observe. If you ever get a chance to see this guy in any way, shape, or form, you will not be disappointed. Ali G has earned the Dommael seal of approval for shaking up the paradigm! Shylurker, Happy, Happy Birthday... 22s are beautiful souls! Namaste Posted by: Jo on July 22, 2004 09:18 PMBeverly, Namaste Posted by: Jo on July 22, 2004 09:30 PMMany thanks, Jo. We try. Now, here's an excellent one by Blumenthal (Max's dad): http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1266305,00.html Posted by: shylurker on July 22, 2004 09:30 PMSorry, "few" above should have been "feel" -- today has been a strange one..! Posted by: Jo on July 22, 2004 09:33 PMShylurker!! Happy Happy Happy Birthdday! Posted by: Pat C on July 22, 2004 10:04 PMNow that I know of your b'day,Many Happy Returns of the day, shylurker Posted by: Raj on July 22, 2004 10:09 PMNow that I know, Many Happy Returns of the day, shylurker Posted by: Raj on July 22, 2004 10:09 PMMany Happy Returns of the day, shylurker Posted by: Raj on July 22, 2004 10:13 PMComputer gremlins were playing games, as I was punching in the last 3 times Posted by: Raj on July 22, 2004 10:14 PMAwwwwwwww, thanks Pat C. and Raj. You're the best! Posted by: shylurker on July 22, 2004 10:14 PMOne can never have too many best wishes, Raj. So punch away! Posted by: shylurker on July 22, 2004 10:19 PMLA Times(latimes.com/news/politics)headlines that I lifted the following from a Kossack post: Quote of the week, from the New Yorker article about the area of Pakistan where OBL is thought to be. When asked whether bin Laden was hiding in his region, Khalid Wazir (the de-facto leader of Waziristan, the most lawless border area), said: "How am I supposed to know? If he's there, why don't they go catch him? I have nothing to do with it. I am the chief — I know there are terrorists in Waziristan? George Bush was elected President by the state of Florida. His brother is governor of Florida. George Bush knew there were terrorists training in Florida? You know, when a Taliban-supporting Pashtun tribesman starts to make sense, we truly are through the looking glass. Posted by: Jo on July 22, 2004 10:54 PMHappy Birthday Shylurker! I'm glad you're in our world. My world is BLUE! Posted by: Morgana on July 22, 2004 10:56 PMPallas has been very busy over at DU, joined by many others. A fellow named H2O has summarized their findings to-date very nicely. Right now, they are on Thread 12: Plame. H2O's very good summary is message # 57 (far right of your screen). Posted by: shylurker on July 22, 2004 11:01 PMPallas has been very busy over at DU, joined by many others. A fellow named H2O has summarized their findings to-date very nicely. Right now, they are on Thread 12: Plame. H2O's very good summary is message # 57 (far right of your screen). Posted by: shylurker on July 22, 2004 11:01 PM"You know, when a Taliban-supporting Pashtun tribesman starts to make sense, we truly are through the looking glass." Bwahahahahaa!!! Bravo, Jo. "Just remember: it's not true unless it makes you laugh." (from The Illuminatus! Trilogy) Many, many thanks, Morgana. Yeah, he's shown how he just loves the world to pieces, hasn't he? Hey, Raj, I'm double-posting too, now. Sorry. Posted by: shylurker on July 22, 2004 11:04 PMIf life on earth has made you weary, why not check out Mars? http://www.xenotechresearch.com/marsindx.htm Posted by: shylurker on July 22, 2004 11:18 PMShylurker, Mars is 'red' --- why don't we send Bush and all the 'red' supporters to Mars... and us Blues will stay here on the blue planet (earth)...? Ahhhhh, I can hear the peace now! Namaste Posted by: Jo on July 23, 2004 12:05 AMHere we go, we're through the looking glass again: Japan to Deport Chess Great Bobby Fischer NARITA, Japan - The Japanese government is preparing to deport American chess legend Bobby Fischer for staying in this country on an invalid passport, immigration officials said Tuesday. Immigration officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed that Fischer, 61, has been held in their custody since, and said he was being processed for deportation. They refused to give further details, but said he could appeal their decision. They said they did not know how long the deportation process would take. A request by The Associated Press to meet with Fischer was denied by the airport immigration office, which cited "privacy concerns." Fischer, believed by many to be the greatest chess player ever, has lived in seclusion and semi-secrecy for decades. It remains unclear where he considers home, but after he was taken into custody, friends here said he frequently traveled, staying for short durations in Japan, the Philippines, Germany and other countries. He was believed to have been in Japan since about April. Miyoko Watai, a member of the Japan Chess Association and a friend of Fischer, said he did not know that his passport had been revoked when he tried to leave Japan last week. She indicated that Fischer intended to appeal any effort to deport him. Fischer became the U.S. chess champion at age 14, and a grandmaster at 15. He became an icon in the United States when he defeated Soviet world champion Boris Spassky in a series of games in Reykjavik, Iceland. The games, in 1972, came at the height of the Cold War and were hailed in the United States as a major victory. His hero status quickly faded amid his increasingly eccentric behavior, however. He lost his title as world champion in 1978 and then largely vanished from the public eye. Fischer is wanted in the United States for playing a rematch against Spassky in Yugoslavia in 1992. Yugoslavia was under international sanctions at the time, and U.S. citizens were banned from doing business there. Fischer won the match, and more than $3 million in prize money. Speaking to the San Jose Mercury News, Fischer's brother-in-law blasted the Bush administration Monday for Fischer's arrest in Japan, saying he is a pawn in a game of election-year politics. "What Bobby's accused of is playing chess 12 years ago in Yugoslavia," said Russell Targ, a former Stanford laser physicist whose late wife was Fischer's sister. "It looks like it's a distraction from the war and the economy. Let's arrest Bobby Fischer. That will take people's minds off their troubles." This piece is a lot of fun... * Neocons - never apologize, never explain http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/news/editorial/9197135.htm Want some cheery, cheery news? Some poll numbers? A good baseline stat going into the Demo conv? Kerry's ahead of Bush... Kerry's ahead of Bush... Karl Rove is ... well, he's not having a good week, or month, and the good news is... times are going to get worse, for RoveCo... http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/7/22/135337/665 read the article if you want even more good news. BLUE POWER... BLUE POWER... PEOPLE POWER... BLUE! Posted by: Jo on July 23, 2004 02:23 AMHere we go! About time someone in print pointed out one of the obvious! * Double-Time March to War One aspect of Michael Moore's documentary film, "Fahrenheit 9/11," that you won't hear repubs denouncing is a 2001 video clip of Colin Powell calling Saddam Hussein no threat. Audiences react with shocked murmurs. The film doesn't explain the context, a 2/24/01, diplomatic mtg in Cairo. Pressed by Egyptian Prez Hosni Mubarak about the Iraqi people's suffering under US economic sanctions, Powell reminded his audience that they existed to check Saddam's ambitions. "And frankly," he added, "they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors." Not only was Iraq no danger to the US, it had no capacity to menace such powerhouses as Jordan & Kuwait. So why are we reading news accts like this in July 2004: "Saddam's army posed little threat [Nooo... NO THREAT!!!!!], Senate panel says" & "Panel describes long weakening of Hussein army." Almost 1,000 American & an est'd 10,000 Iraqi [Peoples'] deaths & a strategic nightmare later, we have come full circle. But Michael Moore had to tell you. So how come nobody important in what The Nation columnist Eric Alterman calls the "so-called liberal media" pressed the sec of state to explain himself before the war, when it might have made some difference? Good question. ... The 911 Commission Report is being released today. Pretty thick --- but the pundits are all ready I'm sure to say it was a "government" failure... Barnes & Nobel is to have copies available. Something to think about. Did the non partisan commission ask the questions some of us have? You know, about how those cell phone calls were made? Or, why the F16s didn't appear? Just two of hundreds. Anyway, since I'm a known cage rattler... here's a link to USA Today article on testing of cell phone operation in air completed and what a success the test was... confidence is high that they will be useful in the air, pending FAA approval, of course. And I bet you thought they were already useable in the air, right? well, don't take my word... I'm one of those 'tin-foil hat conspirators' you know, can't believe what I say. Read the article though http://www.usatoday.com/money/biztravel/2004-07-19-aircells_x.htm The race is on to enable airline passengers to make and receive cell phone calls in flight. ------------- At the time of the first WTC crash, three F-16s assigned to Andrews Air Force Base 10 miles from Washington are flying an air-to-ground training mission on a range in North Carolina, 207 miles away. Eventually they are recalled to Andrews and land there at some point after Flight 77 crashes into the Pentagon. [Aviation Week and Space Technology, 9/9/02] F-16s can travel a maximum speed of 1500 mph. Traveling even at 1100 mph, the speed NORAD Major General Larry Arnold says two fighters from Massachusetts travel toward Flight 175, at least one of the F-16s could have returned to Washington within 10 minutes and started patrolling the skies well before 9:00 a.m. Why are they recalled so late, and then ordered back to base (and then to take off again) instead of being sent straight to Washington? If you read the report released today, let me know if you run across the quesion on the F16s... I live near what the locals refer to as the "bomb plant" --- where they make parts for bombs --- the government moved an entire town, including cemeteries, in the 1950s to build the plant... NO planes are allowed to fly over the site... try it, and you'll be met and escorted down by an F16, before you get minutes into the airspace... in fact, you can't drive through the plant site, you drive around it to get to other parts of SC, and you get a little ticket that's stamped with the time, and when you exit the site, you show the ticket with stamp... if you took too long, you have to answer to someone... been this way for 50 years... folks driving to Hilton Head from here go around the site as much as possible, but have to enter and exit at certain points... unless they want to circumvent the plant altogether, and go another route, about 90 mins. longer... I'm telling you folks this for a reason. Question the report... look for answers to questions they didn't bother to ask. Oh, and one other thing... I understand from some who have 'flipped through the pages' that they don't mostly ask questions of those in the administration... in other words, those folks at the helm on 9/11. That strikes me as a mistake right there. Posted by: Jo on July 23, 2004 03:36 AMshylurker, HAPPY BIRTHDAY, i'm glad you were born! channeling guido, i find out that your date of birth may in error (7/22). he tells me...she's much too regal not to be a leo. must have been born on 7/23... hey, i don't invent this stuff, i just 'share' the messages. Posted by: mike on July 23, 2004 03:50 AMOh, Jo!! YOU GO, GAL!! SPARKLING EFFERVESCENT SUNNY BLUE! Thanks for your last posting! ;O) Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 23, 2004 03:52 AMok, no offence to the cancer's out there. while not necessarily regal, you have other fine qualities (i'm a cancer rising/leo sun). let's see: defended, sensitive when your core is touched, wet, claws (lol). Posted by: mike on July 23, 2004 03:52 AMThanks, Mike & Guido, two of my favorite chums! Posted by: shylurker on July 23, 2004 03:53 AM***they will live in infamy and shame-911 commission*** i have not read the report, naughty moi. however, i have evidence that this report has a serious flaw in the form of biased methodology. ex senators rudman and hart chaired a clinton-appointed commission on the 'terrorist threat.' they produced a report that bush ignored. it was quite a good report. GUESS WHAT? the 911 commission did not call either of these 'Cassandra’s' to discuss their pre-cognitive abilities given that their report outlined the flaws that needed correction. WHY YOU ASK? because to do so would place bushco in the obvious position of having IGNORED THIS REPORT. every particle of a hologram contains all of the information needed to construct the image. i believe that this small part of the report methodology is of holographic-like value; it contains all we need to know about the completeness of the 911 report. they blew it and they should be ashamed. why couldn't just one of them stand up and make this point? because, its all part of the 'greater good for the nation' excuse that members of the Warren Comission, et al, make: the truth subordinate to the 'greater good.' they will live in infamy—which given the cyberage, will start shortly!!!
Shylurker Happy Birthday! Thanks, Pat, and whatever you do, p-l-e-a-s-e drive carefully! Posted by: shylurker on July 23, 2004 04:21 AMPat Q, I hope you have a gentle and good trip. Light to your son. Posted by: Pat C on July 23, 2004 04:42 AMGood journey, Pat. I have "The Hornet's Nest" but haven't read it yet. Think I'll give it a turn, thanx for the tip! It's soooooooooooo GOOD to have your support all! I read with great interest the references to the moon VOC in the lead article here. b New Mexico Trending Blue!!! Despite a razor-thin majority of 366 votes for Al Gore in the 2000 election, New Mexico appears to be turning from purple to blue. There are good indications that the Dems will make a strong showing there in 2004, in part because of the popularity of its new gov, Bill Richardson. ... interesting my last post didnt get a separator line from the post before it Mimi, I think you're talking about Jim Shawvans article, 'Finding Opportunity', send me an email so I can take time to mull my answer. Thanks. seawitch@pacbell.net Posted by: Morgana on July 23, 2004 11:27 PMBREAKING: 'Destroyed' Bush National Guard Records Found if this "overlong link doesn't work, its the top story,NYTimes Sat. July 24. Pat Q, "Looks as if I will be circumventing Boston at the height of the Convention!"
The Bush is just flat out nuts! This is the last paragraph in this Washington Post article: The Kerry Campaign's One-Word Weapon
"I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job." I have finally got caught up here. Thanks Jo for the Consir.Planet link to Bush. From his analysis, sounds like Bush should be about ready for a nervous break-down but doesn't he look fit and healthy on T.V? I appreciated and enjoyed reading your comments on how to retrieve past life info. My mind races so much (4 planets in Gemini) it is very difficult for me to sit still (to meditate or visualize) eventhough I have been trained in TM, I don't do it. I have retained your comments for future use. With Neptune so prominent in my chart right now, perhaps I will have some spontaneous insights. Posted by: Beverly on July 24, 2004 07:02 PMPat: I am sorry to hear about your difficulties and your son's accident. In Michigan, we have procedures for removing a tennant. What that landlord has done, would be illegal in Michigan with or without a lease. Bhakti: Where can one find pictures of your illustrations? Can you list some book titles? Posted by: Beverly on July 24, 2004 07:10 PMBeverly, hi PaTQOP, if you wish to reach me I changed the email address to Nilabindu@aol.com. Same here Beverly. Posted by: bhakti on July 24, 2004 10:48 PMHi, well interestingly enough, once again I tried to post to this board, and once again (it has happened twice before) I got a phone call....and when I went back to the post, my IE browser had once again frozen my MAC up....and I lost it all. Well, this time I want to comment on past lives....because I see there is a bit of a theme....and today I discovered this on the KabbalaOnline.org web site (I have studied Kabbala a bit, and I am not Jewish...although people often think I am, so must be all the past lives! Judi " The responsibility The Jewish understanding of reincarnation is different from Buddhist doctrines. It in no way leads to fatalism. At every point of moral decision in his life, a Jew has complete free choice. If not for freedom of choice, how unfair it would be of G-d to make demands of us - especially when reward and punishment is involved! Reincarnation does not imply pre-determination. It is, rather, an opportunity for rectification and soul-perfection. The holy Ari explained it most simply: every Jew must fulfill all 613 mitzvot, and if he doesn't succeed in one lifetime, he comes back again and again until he finishes. For this reason, events in a person's life may lead him towards certain places, encounters, etc., in ways that may or may not make sense. Divine providence provides each person with the opportunities he needs to fulfill those particular mitzvot necessary for the perfection of his soul. But the responsibility lies with us. At the actual moment of decision in any given situation, the choice is ours. One of the ways in which heaven maintains our ability to exercise complete freedom of choice is by not allowing us conscious knowledge of previous incarnations. Consequently, it might seem to some people that there is little practical benefit in being aware of this doctrine. Furthermore, many scholars contend that these mystical concepts can easily be misunderstood, or carried to erroneous and misleading conclusions. We can therefore understand why this and similar subjects are only hinted at in scripture, and why some knowledge and a great deal of determination are often required in order to gain access to this information. Meryl Streep as Karen Hughes in The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/04/07/far04024.html Posted by: Pat C on July 25, 2004 04:06 AMI found the story (linked below) fascinating. It's almost as if the Bush Administration is beginning to poison normally logical, clear-headed, intelligent people! http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/25/nyregion/25jersey.html Jonathan Posted by: Jonathan on July 25, 2004 05:06 PM
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/July2004/Moret0721.htm Posted by: wv on July 25, 2004 05:19 PM
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/07/25/LVGLI7QEH11.DTL&type=printable Posted by: wv on July 25, 2004 10:36 PMMorgana, Sally, Nancy, Vis, Pallas, others -- Has anyone looked at the JFK assassination chart and its long-range aftermath? That event was a major turning point and, or so it seems to me, unleashed a legacy that has become darker and darker over time. JFK, RK, MLK, many deaths by small plane, etc. Many thanks! Posted by: shylurker on July 25, 2004 11:32 PMShylurker It was a turning point - in fact it was THE turning point - we were at our zenith on 11/22/63 dear WV mimi Posted by: mimi on July 26, 2004 01:16 AMwv and mimi--I just ran a chart for 12:30, Dallas, on that horrible day. I asked for progressions. Since I am no astrologer, I certainly can't address what any of it means, but I did notice that: *Chiron was at 10 pisces on that day and is progressed to 11 pisces; *the north node then and in progressed is at 11 cancer; *the sun, which was at 29 scorpio,is progressed to 11 capricon (conj south node, as I understand it); *moon at 11 aquarius that day is progressed to 20 leo, directly opposite progressed saturn. I hope one of "our" wonderful astrologers will look at this. I want so badly for this deep national wound, which seems to ushered us into an era of increasing darkness, will heal before the end of my days. Wow. Posted by: shylurker on July 26, 2004 01:59 AMDoes anyone else "feel" the quiet...? The grands and I have been hard at work today cleaning the nest... like little squirrels gathering nuts before winter or burrowing animals before a storm. It's something beyond my little world, but I can't put a finger on it... Posted by: Jo on July 26, 2004 03:02 AMMimi One would hope, but as I said there first needs Jo When I lived in California I used to
http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4978600-112564,00.html Posted by: wv on July 26, 2004 03:57 AMshylurker, interesting question about the jfk assination, very interesting. i had a snappy paragraph entered and i erased it to think a bit deeper about the question. we are on the verge of something major, either very good or the end of us all. i think that the jfk period was similar to what we can expect from kerry absent the excessive medication abuse that jfk suffered and absent the fooling around. i think there were three periods following jfk. the first from lbj through carter consisted of policy and law driven changes; wonderful programs like the 'new society' social welfare program, nixon's environmental protectin agency (yes, nixon) and negative income tax (generous to the working poor). these didn't work because people never enfolded the concepts into their consciousness and acepted the policies. they also failed bacause we did our warrior thing and killed a bunch of people. the second period was reagan/bush -- greed is good. the mergers, trashing of job security and loyalty (on both sides)went no where since it was all artificial book-cooking. again, we toned down the warrior thing but it was there in central america and in the support of every nasty dictator around. the third period was science/technology utopia - the clinton years. we did well but, while we held out the prospect for a better future, we refused to help the 'widows and orphans.' we also dropped a few too many bombs. bush is a transitional figure -- he will wake us or enable an assisted suicide. bad laws, greed, anti-science, and paranoid driven superstition all reflect a de-evolution. the good news is four years isn't that long for a society like ours. we can fix what he did relatively quickly and the fix will benefit many (here and abroad). the bad news is that if he's reSelected, we are just toast. kerry doesn't have the 'big vision' thing, he's not a savior figure, and he's playing his cards close to the vest. out hope is that nancy's right - he'll get elected and then use his considerable intellect and experience to address the real needs of the world. if this happens, there is hope. vote like your life depends on it, because it does. Posted by: mike on July 26, 2004 06:59 AMYou guys don't think the bushies are scared to death?! Bushies' had to jigger big-time the 2000 dyselection & even then, they had to run as "moderates." It's painfully obvious they're not moderates to the whole World. If one could move away from dual thinking; that is, the electorate is 50/50, which it is not, the view wouldn't be so tight & limited. Things run statistically in thirds... we could see dem supporters, repub supporters, & a big chuck that are independent, green, libertarian, people of other color, women other than fembot, etc., most all of whom that are not at all happy with a bushie crowd. The whistleblowers have all been repubs. The bushies' have been demonizing so many of "their own," one wonders who remains in their camp. Throw in on top of that... little things like stupid wasteful wars & omnicide, negative powerful world opinion AND its ability to take action, torture as govt policy, etc... it's easy to see why the bushies might be more than a little uncomfortable... oh, & a looming world court waiting just for war criminals like the bushies. The horrendous bushie probs have really become quite a growing list. Sure there are depressing events... there always have been... but I think we really need to get a reality grip. ;O) Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 26, 2004 12:44 PMThere's no reason why all things should be considered hopeless... that's not very effervescent BLUE... color of Mind & spiritual work. There's no reason why anyone, who knows something about the creative power of the mind, should think dour, limited, helpless thots. They know better. Check out its effects on the Body. (Bleah!) And we know better. ;O) Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 26, 2004 12:52 PM[Oh, so proven liars AP stuff] AP Story Giving *ush Electoral Lead Is Faulty [Of course!] Now for the facts. http://www.demsonline.net/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=164&Itemid Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 26, 2004 02:40 PMWhat fascinating comments and links posted here! MSNBC carried an "electoral" program last night, going over all the states individually both red and blue. It put me in a much better mood after hearing the race is neck and neck earlier in the day which I have never believed. Morgana or any other Astrologers here: Supposing that Kerry/Edwards win in November, do you see any interruption in the "hand over" of the presidency to them? Can you look at the inaguration chart and also at Kerry's chart. How about their composite chart. I know that you have mentioned Kerry's Jan. 05 transits previously but don't specifically remember if this question was addressed. Posted by: Beverly on July 26, 2004 04:44 PMMuch earlier this morning, thinking about how depressing was the whole political milieu—a word meaning the way people organize themselves, not just two political parties—& how agonizingly frustrating/slow it all was. Then I remembered why it seemed so familiar. I thumped my own forehead like a good V8 juice user because I always forget. A sort-of waking vision came to me once when I was particularly stressed about a pile-up of intractable events in my life. I was floating above a vast ocean. An old sailing ship… about 17th or 18th C… was also floating, but in the water ;O). Well, up blew a raging storm… very scary. The old ship was being hit by lightning… huge streaks of it. Uh oh… one mast about to go down. Horribly concerned, I projected a blast of inner energy to repair the mast! Ohps!! Lightning put a huge hole in the side of the ship. Started to repair that & another blast cracks a 2nd mast! You get the idea; I was frantic. 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