VIS, YOU WERE RIGHT, YOU WERE RIGHT. I am thrilled that it's Edwards. This might be the first time in history that a Veep choice wins the presidency for the front runner. Edwards has that quick wit for which Gemini's are famous, slogans come rolling easily off his tongue (that will give Rove fits)His Moon/Jupiter conjuction will make him a favorite with women, and he can out smart alec George Bush, (Gemini's are famous for that) only with Edwards there is no smirk, and no mean spiritedness.

Edwards and Kerry both have Mars in Gemini (not known for faithfulness) my hope is there isn't anything in their background to indicate blue dresses. Kerry could have gotten his swinging out of his system before he married Teresa Heinz, and the death of Edwards son rapidly shifted him toward family, plus it's doubtful they would have formed alliances with passing fancies.

I am tap dancing here, Edwards was and has been the best choice all along and I've been really worried that Kerry wouldn't see that. This is such great news, but expect the Repugs to come out hitting hard, really hard. Makes me shudder when I think how they will go after these two.

I was SO SO SO hoping it would be Edwards!! This has just made my day, or maybe my year!!

Thanks for the interesting astrology about this match-up, and I hope to read more in the coming weeks.

Astroworld, you're the best . . . .

Thanks Vis... polls of the Demos/Progressives were heavily favored toward Edwards... the American people took to him... and Kerry's choice of the runner-up to party presidential nominee is somewhat historical, at least in modern times, is it not Sally? Seems to be in keeping with Kerry's desire to select someone he believed qualified to be president should events call for that. As for the potential of 'sparks' between the two... the idea that Kerry's ego is able to share the podium with a younger, more personable guy who gave him a run for his money says alot for Kerry, don't you think? This Gemini sees no problem with all the Gemini aspects between the two... at least we have a ticket that can actually articulate a platform and carry on a conversation with the people, as opposed to... duh, duh, what's that sound in my earpiece, and old tick-tock himself.

Pallas, I'm glad they beat that VOC moon, aren't you? and yes indeed, we are getting down to business (Moon trine Saturn), with the launch of the Kerry-Edwards campaign... go John-John! Do you see any dust Pallas or Vis or Sally? You know, not stardust, but good old road dust, the kind these guys will be leaving in the face of Bush and Cheney between now and November?

Go Kerry! Go Edwards! Our guys are just coming up to bat! 15 points bounce? Hey, I smell landslide. Try and steal that Cheney!

vis--

what do you make of the approach of year end pluto transit opposite kerry's natal saturn--wasn't that the same opposition that occurred in the usa chart around 9-11?

I'm really happy about the Kerry-Edwards ticket as they really do seem to fit (I've also heard Edwards and Kennedy are good buddies). I think their common mission of overturning the corrupt regime and bringing the country back to where it belongs will overide the negatives. And their common gift of gab & humor (Gemini, Sag, all that air & fire) will make us smile & send a clear message to the Bible belt and the Religious right that may change their minds, especially with Edward's down home, corn pone, family values. The Taurus and Scorpio in their charts speak well of loyalty, tradition, and, in the case of Kerry's Venus Scorpio, deep understanding and caring. But all that air and fire should really gift us a lift. I cannot wait for the debates. We will see profound intelligence, quick thinking intelligence and a lack of mean spiritedness, per Sally. And I suspect Sally, that his background is clear as Kerry must know only too well that the blood hounds are on the trail of any dirt.

Here's a link that has a bio of Edwards, his voting record, and a link to his wife's bio & birth data. She was born July 3 (!) 1949 - conjunct the U.S. sun at 3 degrees away (?)

If the data I'm drawing upon is correct, her chart looks great with Teresa's and her mars is in 19 Gemini, adding some charge to the team. Also, I noticed that Edward's mercury is 6 Cancer., conj U.S. venus (3 cancer) and jupiter (5 cancer), so he really understands the U.S. people. That's kind of obvious and the reason he is where he is today.

W, Pluto will not oppose Kerry's Saturn until February of next year. It will need another aspect to set it off, and I will look at the progressions to that Saturn.

Jo: I do see dust, John Edwards has a Saturn/Neptune conj. in Libra, so Saturn is coming up to a square on that aspect which doesnt' thrill me, however that conjunction is in a trine to his Sun, and squares can and do set off natal aspects (a trine can activate a natal square and a square can activate a natal trine, giving it emphasis) Edwards Moon and Jupiter conjunction, and Kerry's Mars all conjunct the US Uranus, potential of electrifying their candidacy for the American people. (US Uranus rules the US Moon and Edwards Mars TRINES the US Moon.) Mars on election night completes a grand air trine for Edwards. There is tons more, and I know Nancy (Nancy is an expert on Kerry) will have an article up on this and so will I. It will not be sweetness and light between now and the election, there are some really dirty works on tap as we write and this won't be a cake walk, all the fear and 'bad' parenting this administration can muster they will be throwing.

When Pluto hits 19 Sagittarius, it is going to set off a Sun/Mars square in the Kerry/Edwards composite chart and potentially create some ego issues between them, or some scandal the Repugs are working on digging up now.

Sally, thanks. I know this is going to be hard... I'm glad we have Edwards - the people's choice - going in... the Repugs know they're in trouble and they will be hitting even lower than usual. Thing is, they have a ton of unresolved problems, individually (Bush and Cheney - they didn't each hire an attorney to help the economy) and the administration as a whole... removing Bremer from Iraq hasn't changed the fact that our troops still occupy that country, with no exit in sight. Anyway, it sure feels great to have something to shout about, doesn't it guys!!!

I sent my wishes last thread, but in case he didn't get them... Dubya, enjoy your last b-day in the White House. I suggest you give yourself a little tour today, glance at all the rooms and hold them to memory... then start packing. And leave the china and silver, please.

A Wonderful Choice! Senator John Edwards puts me in mind of another youthful, energetic, idealist, outsider: Senator Robert Kennedy. The similar apperances are amazing. A reflection of the era's; i.e. Vietnam and Iraq, who knows? May the reign of the neo-cons, soon end.

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Hi all. I made some minor editing changes. I just wanted to get something out there, and grabbed a few extra moments this am to do so, and just now got around to cleaning it up a bit.

Yes, John Kerry's chart does re-experience the Saturn-Pluto opposition that's associated with 9/11. It's the same Pluto, but Saturn is natal, not transiting, so it's going to be different-- more personal for him. But as Sally said, it's post-election. I've been meaning to look into this, but i figure it either means that he's in personal hell for losing, or that the Republicans are giving him hell for winning.

As for Dean, his chart is terrific on Nov 2nd, what else can we say? Maybe it means that Kerry-Edwards get whipped, and Dean is who everyone turns to (Did you see that, "In his 15-minute call to the North Carolina senator, Kerry said, "Teresa and I would like to ask you and Elizabeth to join us on our ticket to take back our country."). That's Dean speaking-- at least the Democrats have adopted his voice, if not his spirit.

So, given the Chiron that is prominent on Nov 2nd for Dean, the Dr. will probably feel good, and a pinch of 'what if..' if Kerry/Edwards win.

Jo, I do hope they leave the crockery and cutlery intact, but I do think we should say it's ok for them to take the "W" key off all the computer keyboards as they depart.

On a personal note, I shared Kerry's email with my inhouse 'soothsayer' - he's eight - first question he asked, re Kerry "Will he make a change grandma?" then "Did you know he's a hunter, grandma? He uses a gun, instead of a bow and arrow, which suits him more, because he's a centaur. He hunts to make the people like him more I think." Where did you hear that? "In North Carolina" I shared with the 'soothsayer' that Kerry rides a motorcycle, likes to ski and wind surf. SS says "he's active like me... we're both fire" [Soothsayer is Aries] future astrologer?

Vis, you are right about Dean being in good shape on Election day and I am still not sure of a Kerry-Bush Run, I'll wait until Oct. 10th on that one. Could it possibly be so dirty that Kerry and Edwards have to drop out? Like I said in my email "the death squad" is going to be after them and no one is squeeky clean. Pretty funny about the Washington Post this morning, loved that one.

Hi everyone,

Long time lurker, but I was wondering if y'all find any significance in my personal chart (26 April, 1979 at 11:52 am) in synastry to the Kerry-Edwards announcement; I'm really thinking of getting involved in the campaign in a big way....The Midheaven hits my Pluto-Mars Opposition, the Mars-Mercury hits my Jupiter, and their North Node hits a Sun-Moon-Chiron conjunction.

Just a flight of fancy?

Cliff

I haven't been this excited about a candidate since Clinton gave his 1992 acceptance speech. Jo, your enthusiasm above made me smile. It's nice to "hear" it. Kerry-Edwards! Yes!

From Josh Marshall's blog he mentioned the Aviation Board as the first hint he received regarding Edwards, who would have thought this would be the spot to check.

http://www.usaviation.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=11966

From today's incoming emails:

Amy Tan's forwarding of a message she received from Scott Turow.

Enjoy-and pass along to friends and other VOTERS!!! :-)

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Subject: What Scott Turow wrote to Amy Tan about John Kerry

Dear Friends:

Like many of you, my stance on the elections has been basically "anyone
but Bush." When John Kerry evolved as the Democratic candidate for
President, he became my choice as well. I found, however, I was not
as passionate about Kerry as I was passionate about simply getting rid
of Bush.

Yet I wanted to be a strong Kerry supporter. I wanted to know why I
would choose Kerry beyond partisan politics, why we needed someone
exactly like him given the fact that our country has never before
suffered such a rapid loss in our civil rights, the environment, our
educational systems, employment, health care, our economic health,
our standing in the world, our ability to deal with terrorism without
it escalating into a worse situation--in essence, the now fragile
underpinnings of our future, in which any one of those troublesome
situations could undo us, let alone a multitude of them.

So what makes John Kerry particularly well-suited for the Presidency and
these times asked a friend who might know better than I. Scott Turow,
consummate writer, Chicago lawyer, a smart guy, a sensible man with a
conscience, who stays up to date with the issues that face our country.

Scott emailed me a quick response. And it was so articulate and
concise, so well informed and true, that I wanted to share it with my
friends. I have reprinted it below, I encourage you to send it
to your friends and family, and encourage them to send it to their
friends. Herewith some remarks you can say about the overall
qualifications of John Kerry....

Scott Turow's remarks on John Kerry and why he is the right person to be
President:

I could say the following without blushing: He is running against a
man who was not fit for duty in 1968 and is not fit for duty today, a
man who lacked the qualifications for the office when he was elected and
has demonstrated it. We have been through a skein of national
disasters, for which he accepts no blame, because he literally doesn't
understand enough about the job to realize how a better President would
have responded.

John Kerry has been in public life for 35 years.. He was a prosecutor
when GWB was running an oil company into the ground. And he was
already a seasoned United States Senator when GWB decided it was time to
give up abusing substances.

JK has a sharper grasp of foreign policy, and more experience with it,
than any candidate for President in the last 50 years, with the possible
exception of GHWB (see today's NYT). His dedication to the cause of
our military and veterans is long established. And his commitment to
economic and social justice for all Americans cannot be doubted.

A man can't be the committed liberal Bush sometimes maintains Kerry is,
and also the unprincipled waffler. Life and public service are
complicated, as GWB doesn't understand. JK does. He has a sense of
nuance, and the experience and values to improve the life of the
country.
_______________
Please feel free to circulate this letter to whomever you wish to
reach.
Let's help reach the 10% of undecided voters.

Thanks,

Amy Tan

On my radio show last last spring, I wondered out loud why John Edwards was not involved with the up-coming election. Election night Sen. Edwards has the transiting midpoint Jupiter/Pluto= Mc. Now I know why! I believe we have a winner.

Well, buschie/cheney/rover may be throwin' dirt around, but its THEIR dirt they're throwin'! Where else would they get it? And then, everyone will be compelled to notice how very soiled they are.

There's not much else on CNN worthy of your attention, but they have a nice pic of the plane painted with new Kerry [flag] Edwards --- and a headliner "Dems Ticket Takes Off" --- looks rather nice... As many Kossacks have been discussing lately, it's time we claimed the flag as ours too... the repugs seem to think it belongs to only them, and they use it for window dressing... anyway, if you want a joyful sight, go to CNN and check out the photo...

Confirmation:

"ABC's Harris on Kerry's VP pick: "ABC News has learned that last Thursday Senator John Edwards took a break from a family vacation in Florida and flew up to Washington DC for a secret, late-night meeting with Senator John Kerry. Several top Democratic sources are telling us this meeting may well have been decisive. ("World News Tonight," 7/5).

Since much of the focus in my astrological life has been on relationships, and since I have found the composite to often illuminate something or somethings that might not be real obvious in a regular planetary comparison, I did a quick composite of Kerry/Edwards this afternoon. Several themes run through: Uranus/Neptune/Pluto connections. Bringing change in outer world and in each other, bringing a need to stay focused on reality, and bringing an ability to work HARD together, and to gain in the doing, having an almost therapeutic effect on one another at times.. Also they have a nice Sun/Jupiter sextile(1.5 degree orb), which among other things can mean their association brings GOOD LUCK. They attract good fortune, and their association can lead to much success as a team. That looked pretty darn good to me(and YAY for our side!)

Just thought I'd share these few thoughts.

Janice

Thanks Janice, I like your idea of a composite. It is, after all, a partnership...

"DON'T YOU JUST LOVE IT"

“IN FOUR TRIALS, John Edwards has written movingly of people who were terribly wronged, and whom he helped seek some measure of justice with great skill, determination, and genuine compassion. He shows a perceptive appreciation in these accounts for the strength of his clients’ character. And, in the loving portrait of his son, Wade, and the deeply touching account of his loss, John reveals the strength of his own character and gives the reader a look beyond a political biography into the heart of a good man.”
------SENATOR JOHN McCAIN------

The Economist has a good take on'the patrician
and the populist'....

http://www.economist.com/agenda/PrinterFriendly.cfm?Story_ID=2895653

* Newly Discovered 10th Planet Invades California

In response to fears that CA (a state approx the size of Iraq) might launch WMD into outer space, the newly discovered 10th planet Sedna has invaded/occupied the state, promising to liberate its citizens & improve their way of life. "We had credible intelligence that said that CA possessed & was planning to use WMD against us" said Sedna’s leader, Commander GW Voltak, during an interplanetary news conf. "Were we supposed to wait for the final threat, which come in the form of a mushroom cloud?"

Before the invasion, Sedna’s AF dropped leaflets thruout the state, promising that their only concern was liberating CAians from poverty, disease & that scary guy from the Terminator movies. "Have you seen the way those people lived?" one of Sedna’s Senators asked. "Once they understand what we offer--a life free of poverty, disease & turmoil--they’ll welcome us as liberators."

Regrettably, approx 11,000 CAians were killed during the liberation, & many more have been maimed/orphaned. Likewise, the ammunition used by Sedna’s "liberation forces" has, according to some health officials, resulted in a surge in birth defects being reported by LA & San Diego hosps. Officials also report high levels of radiation in southern CA--a charge Sednan officials flatly deny. "We think its worth it," said one of Sedna’s soldiers currently occupying San Fran. "When we got here, people were locked away in prisons, children were living in poverty & disease was rampant. What kind of superior beings wld we be if we didn’t intervene?" ...

"We have an obligation to work toward a more free world. That's our obligation. That's what we have been called to do, as far as I'm concerned," Commander Voltek recently announced during a Sednan press conf, echoing many of his pre-invasion assertions. "See, free planets are peaceful planets. Free planets don't attack each other. Free planets don't develop WMD," Voltek said last yr, before adding billions to Sedna’s military budget.

Currently, however, reports of CAians rising up against the occupation have been mounting & attacks against occupation forces have increased tenfold in recent wks. "We are determined to crush the rebellion & insure that CAians live freely," provisional overlord Paul L Gleebot responded. "We are going to fight them & impose our will on them, & we will capture or... kill them until we have imposed law/order on this state."

Polls show that only 2% of CAians believe that Sedna wants to liberate them--particularly in the wake of photos showing occupying forces placing electrodes on Harvey Keitel’s & other Hollywood stars’ genitals. And despite frequent pledges to cure all human disease, some photos show gleeful aliens, giving the thumbs up sign, while injecting people with the viruses they promised to eradicate.

In the aftermath, anti-Sedna sentiment has spread across the US, & CAians & Americans everywhere are vowing to fight the alien occupation & prevent it from spreading. Many Sednan residents, however, believe hard-line tactics against Earthlings are warranted. "There are people in CA who wld like to see us dead," one unnamed Sednan resident said. "In our world, that is more important than any reports of torture against Earthlings. We cannot go soft now."

Sedna’s liberal media also reportedly televised old footage from the original Star Trek series, showing "connections" between CAians & Klingons. Other Sednans, referring to Earthlings as "brutes," "savages" & "barbarians" stand behind their leader. "The way these CAians are behaving in the wake of their liberation only proves that they are dangerous. Why are these earthlings so outraged? Why aren’t they upset over images of CAians hurting the Sednan troops that only came to help?"

Tho Sedna is in the process of bldg 14 military bases in CA, Sednan officials deny any desire to control the natural resources of any of their new colonies, charging that such "anti-Sednian conspiracy theories" only give aid/comfort to their enemies.

Meanwhile a Web site for the Project for a New Sednan Century revealed that the plan to invade CA has been in the works since 1997, as have plans to eventually invade 7 more states, incl TX & FL. "Democratic states do not wage war against other democratic states. And a secure/free FL is an historic opportunity that will lead to a free US and, in time, a free Earth," Voltek promised, referring to the next phase in Sedna’s increasingly bloody battle for world peace.

In time, all American will be grateful to Sedna, officials promised. But as reports of Sednan officials abusing CAians con't to surface, the likelihood of any Americans embracing occupation seems increasingly less likely. For the most part, residents of the 10th planet remain unmoved. "A few CAians have been humiliated (poor babies), & Americans are outraged?" an unID'd Sednan soldier wrote in a letter published in the newly revamped LATimes. "We are at war. We do not want our leader to apologize for anything." http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/04/07/far04022.html

Joanna, thanks for the post. Puts a different perspective on things when the occupier becomes the occupiee, doesn't it?

Re the "DON'T YOU JUST LOVE IT" post above citing John McCain's praise of Edwards: When did this come out (approximately)? I ask vis a vi the new ad that has McCain saying that Kerry asked him first, and the fact that McCain is so involved in the Republican campaign. I am sure he has been promised an important slot as he disagrees with Bush on many important issues and now he's pushing him. I don't like McCain quite as much as I did. Yet, it's wonderful praise of Edwards from the horse's mouth.

vis/sally---

the inauguration 2005 january20 shows pluto in opposition to kerry's natal saturn--a transit which activates or triggers most natal aspects connected to saturn--in kerry's case this pertains to moon conjunct saturn/sun oppose saturn/jupiter sextile saturn/saturn sextile lillith---at the same time in the inaugural chart transiting mars conjuncts transiting pluto which triggers the afformentioned natal aspects as well as forming an opposition to the natal moon activating other moon natal aspects such as natal moon conjunct natal mars/natal moon opposed by natal sun and natal moon square chiron----- transiting saturn at the same time is quincunx transiting pluto--transiting jupiter does sextile natal sun but there is not much positive firepower to reinforce it-- kerry's lunar return of oct 31 which covers the election period has transiting mars trine natal saturn again triggering negative saturn natal aspects --the lunar return sun in the return 12th(house of the fall/self undoing--possible campaign gaffes or scandal) squares natal pluto in the natal 8th (houseof death/defeat) triggering the pluto conjunct natal north node also in the 8th--transiting jupiter in the lunar return 11th sextiles natal pluto/node practically begging for help----

kerry's solar return for dec10'04 has a solar return 10th house void of any planets indicating a rather empty career ahead(we all know the usa will not be empty of serious events during this period)--transiting venus in the return 1st house conjuncts transiting mars on the natal 12th house cusp---transiting north node opposes the solar return ascendent ruled by pluto at one degree scorpio --transiting pluto is still close enough to echo the pluto natal sun conjunction from earlier in the year and also close enough to act as harbinger of events to come when transit pluto does engage natal saturn--

i too would like to see bush out--but it doesn't appear that kerry is the man--my own view is that bush natal sun conjunct usa sun at 13cancer conjunct the fixed star sirius (the brightest star in the heavens)indicates that bush is a man of "destiny" albeit a negative one and until that destiny works itself out in the form ofa very heavy karma(natal sun in 12th/usa natal sun in 7th house of allies and enemies)bush will proceed messiah-complex paranoid delusions garbled syntax stupidity et. al.---

if this is a might pessimistic i remind you of mark twain's rejoinder 'Pessimisn is the name weak nerve gives to wisdom"--i pray you all pray for steeled nerve----america will need it---

w, i find the analysis nearly incomprehensible, which, of course, does not mean it's wrong. upon further study, you're matching up, if i'm correct, the 2005 inauguration chart with kerry's, showing problems and thus dismissing kerry as the probable winner. in addition to the odious nature of the predicted outcome, i have a huge problem so tightly matching an event date with the chart of the candidate(s). with a candidate, we can look at the history and how astrological analysis worked. with a date, we've got one point in time with no precedents. i think this analysis is all wet. therefore, i'll offer a reprise of nancy waterman's 3/04 analysis:

"In Senator Kerry’s natal chart there is a Pluto/ North Node conjunction sextile the Midheaven. This aspect suggests the likely attainment of a powerful position that has contact and influence with the public. In early 2004, the progressed Midheaven (7 Sagittarius) moved to trine the natal Node (7 Leo), and will reach the exact aspect in January 2005. By mid-October 2004, the progressed Midheaven will move to trine natal Pluto (8Leo) as well, remaining in orb through October 2005. This suggests a period of time, during 2004 and 2005, when the latent power and scope of the Pluto/Node conjunction will come to reach its full potential. The series of Jupiter aspects just prior to, during, and after the 2004 election will augment these progressed configurations, bringing Kerry to a time of extraordinary success, power, and influence in late October and early November 2004, and therefore likely symbolizing his victory in the presidential election. Here is the line-up: Jupiter conjunct the natal Midheaven from October 17 through 22; Jupiter sextile the natal Node, triggering progressed MC trine natal Node, October 27 through 31; Jupiter sextile natal Pluto, triggering progressed MC trine natal Pluto, November 1 through November 4; Venus/Jupiter conjunction exactly sextile natal Pluto, on November 4."

rejoice!

Amen Mike! Thanks for your post. I refuse to have this day spoiled!

The election takes place during Kerry's 2003 Solar Return and the Inauguration takes place during his 2004 Return. In the Inauguration Chart, the TMoon conjuncts Kerry Mars, Edwards Moon and Jupiter, Mars conjuncts Kerry's Sun, his Solar Return Mercury conjuncts TMars and Natal Sun, as well as oppose Edwards Sun. The Election Chart would favor Bush slightly if it weren't for his Saturn return (a wild card for him)

The biggest wild card for Kerry however is the fact that he was born with a retrograde Mars at 10 Gemini, through progressions Mars turned direct and is now coming to it's natal position, TVenus went stationary direct at 9 degrees Gemini, very close to that Mars, and conj. Edwards Moon/Jupiter conj. Kerry's destiny is just beginning or just ending, I don't know which, however it would be his health that would be of the most concern. Another positive is his Natal Venus which rules his mid-heaven is being trined by Uranus and his Progressed mid-heaven is Sagittarius and that ruler Jupiter will be at 8 degrees Libra, just past his natal Mid-heaven.

Although in part, there are things in W's delineation that says this won't be a cake walk, there is reason to hope or to say this is a real horse race. I still say however that Kerry's health is a concern, for that matter so is GWB.

I feel so hopeful today. I've been accurate before in choosing winners by a visceral feeling and every cell in my body is saying YES when I see those two together. BTW all that Sun/moon/Jupiter at Gemini 17/18 is conjuncting the Venus Occulation degree. I truly believe I shifted into bringing much more joy in my life since that transit (on my progressed ACS). I hope it was heralding the end of the Dark Ages. ps I have a hunch any dirt thrown at these guys is going to come back tenfold in the direction it came from by cosmic Justice. Get the popcorn!

One can just feel the gigantic build-up for positive change... like a cleansing tidal wave!

buschie/gang... really, from nixon on... just has a psychic feel of a nest in which roaches have made their home for a long time--I've seen that in abused homes. Surfaces are sticky, eaten away, stained, bad acrid smell, masses of lil dirties (from roach pee/poo), odd scaping noises, feelers waving, empty egg casts everywhere. I just think everybody's tired of that. ;O)

Hm, puzzling. I find it interesting that several people are not sure about the outcome of the November election. And that's not just on this blog; I've read it in several places.

Some astrologers don't seem to feel that Kerry will be the winner this fall. I've read that neither Bush nor Kerry will be elected, but in fact a dark horse will appear at the last moment.

Or if Kerry does win, it won't be a triumphant victory (now as far as I'm concerned, just getting BeelzeBush out will be one of the sweetest moments of my life - I've wanted him out that much)....

But still....it makes you wonder. And of course, after the election is over we can go back to the archives and see who was right.

jo, joanna, bhakti: i agree with your intuition and general feeling about the election. first, we have nancy's well documented assessment. second, your 'viceral feeling', unspoiled day, and images of a 'cleansing tidal wave' fit in with the paradigm shift allowing people to actually hope about a positive future. there is something really wrong with the way we look to the future, whether we're left or right. it's tied up in the xtian presupposition of the 'end times' and eternal punishment (on the right) and the left's notion that we lose every fight. screw that, i'm ready to have some fun and enjoy the planet. collecive intentionality is the key. if you think god's up there ready for a weenie roast, then bush is your lizard. if you see yourself as the 'suffering servant' of lost causes, than vote nader. if you want to begin a process that will take time but which needs to begin with a giant step, then work on the appropriate attitude adjustment--visutalize whirled pees, er. world peace and a happy nov. 3.

Cliss: When reading energy, whether as a psychic or astrologer is very tricky. There is no right or wrong. As an example many astrologers said Gore had the best aspects on election day and looked like the winner. Some would argue that he did win, but he isn't President today is he? There are many charts that need to be evaluated, I can name over 46 without digging deeply and without looking at the 50 states charts. There are some glaring problems with both candidates and their individual political party charts before we even get to the election. We do not jump from today to 11.2.2004 in one fell swoop. There are still 4 months to go and anything can happen to either and/or both candidates. I can look at the chart of the United States for 11/2 and say with all seriousness that I question if we will have an election.

This isn't a contest for professional astrologers, we spend untold free hours charting the math of these energies and what you are reading from all astrologers is our grasp of the complexity of the present energy surrounding the US, and the candidates.

Hi all and Sally,

I'm not really acquainted with Kerry's chart but
from the aspects listed above, I also feel there will be a health problem...since Saturn is so much involved, and since Kerry being a motor cycle rider, skier, and sportster - we might assume he's going to have bone problems. OPn the other hand, when Pluto hits that Saturn, he might lose a lot of his rigidity and become a more comfortable person within and without. For that
matter the upness of his new partner's Jupiter/Moon might do that to him.

I refer to Kerry's new partner Edwards, of course !!! ( Yay )

I liked Edwards' chart very much for election day. Some time ago on one of our posts here, I mentioned I saw the interference of the Supremes
in his chart, (9th house) and that Edwards' would be a winner in a conflict with them.

So I'm feeling good about this.

I wouldn't worry about the "surprise/dark horse"
predictions. That's taken care of by Edwards Moon and Jupiter conjunction to US Uranus and Kerry's Mars conjunct the US Uranus. They are the surprise.

Although I don't like the danger of Kerry's Mars conjunct US Uranus, always indicative of accidents, I wouldn't want to be the ones who would try to steal an election from this "dynamic duo" because with Jupiter Moon Mars conjunct Uranus you can be sure they'll call for a revolution!

it sure is nice to FINALLY feel some optimism, isn't it? Thanks Vis for writing this so soon. Thanks Sally, Pallas for your additions. Thanks everyone for your comments, always fun to read. I sooooo hope this excitement can last, it's really good for our country.

Dancing on air here today - not only did Michael Moore's F-9/11 movie open up here in our pro-republican town in Alabama but now Edwards will run for V.P. as well. People actually petitioned the theatre here to get the film .. and the theatre did! Saw the movie Friday night - lines so long to get in and every seat taken with so many still wanting to see the film that a second showing was scheduled in a theatre across the hall. It's been playing to sold out audiences since - and so many young people going! A lovely older black lady sat next to me during the film and she laughed her way through it and at times was crying - at one point I heard her say "Oh Jesus, no" when looking at things. Afterwards she told me she had voted for Bush because she thought he was a "Christian" man and that after seeing this film her vote will not go to him again this time around. Hopefully she is one of many who will see this film and have her mind changed. It's been a great week here - first the M.M. film and now a Kerry/Edwards ticket! Can we hope that the South WILL rise again ..this time with Kerry taking the lead? Know it will be a long and rocky road to election night, but for today the sun is shining and the stars will look brighter tonight and Hope is the thing birds are singing about at last! Enjoy!

Loved this article too on the Kerry run:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32516-2004Jul6.html

WhaddaHOOT!! Loved your post Mike! You GO, guy!

Sally, thanks for the insight. I agree that astrology is not an exact science. The interpretation of the planets is highly dependent on the astrologer. However, that doesn't mean that it's subjective. Obviously, there are a lot of variables thrown in.

I have a lot of respect for astrologers and if there was ever a need for them, it's now. We are living in such uncertain times. It seems like our entire economy hangs on the security of a few remote oil refineries in the Middle East.

Stan Goff said that our march to war was actually an act of desperation by desperate men.

If you read his articles, you start to understand the thinking that has driven these decisions, like the PNAC's rubbish about establishing itself as a worldwide hegemon, because we would be "good" dictators, as opposed to Chinese dictators. (They actually say that in the body of the text!)

"The US would establish itself as a benevolent dictatorship around the world".

Well, I say these guys are hanging on the precipice, and Dick Cheney's use of the F-word last week underscores this. Does this sound like a man who's on top of his game?

Now, as far as Kerry, I still tend to agree with those who have their doubts about his candidacy. I just looked at some photos on the DU (taken yesterday) and he looks really bad. His health?? I really hope it's just jet lag.

Want to help grease the skids for entry of a Democratic WH & congress ?

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29810-20 ...

Dear Sir:

Republican leaders in Congress have refused to investigate who treasonously exposed covert CIA agent Valerie Plame in this administration, whose identity was leaked after her husband, Joe Wilson, challenged the administration's claims that Iraq sought nuclear weapons.

The Republican Chairmen of all committees have held virtually no public hearings on the hundreds of misleading claims made by administration officials about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and ties to al Qaeda.

During the Clinton administration, Congress spent over $70 millions of tax dollars probing alleged White House wrongdoing. There was no accusation too minor to explore, no demand on the administration too intrusive to make.

It is the responsibility of the Fourth estate, the media, to expose the failure of Congress and to investigate these "misleading claims" and treasonous action by someone in the government, and to keep this government "honest" through exposure when it won't act responsibly, as the Fourth Estate did thirty years ago during the Nixon abberation.

WHY are you not fulfilling your role to the American people and this country and WHEN will you start ?

Sincerely,

w, thanks for that fine post of research. I think Mike has a valid point on the candidate/innagural chart comparison, as from what I've read, that chart, being after the election, has not been effective or telling of the past election result; but instead, of the incoming administration.

That said, I found the comments on the lunar return and solar return more compelling, but the lunar interpretations cherry-pick slogans, but the solar return picks seem pretty firm. Returns are not my forte, Sally's through, and she's right that the election falls within his 2003 return.

It's interesting that Kerry, by press accounts, talked so much about wanting someone to be able to fill his shoes. I too think there are health issues, just coming off of cancer, Kerry's harsh upcoming angles suggest a deep darkness.

But that's perfectly inline with his becoming President, it's a dark job.

Hadn't thought of that Vis "the presidency is a dark job" good call, I will remember that one. Kerry's solar return doesn't look bad when compared to the Inaugural chart (which takes place in his 2004 Return.) Bush's Solar Return isn't quite so positive for the 2005 Inauguration

i find it interresting that edwards just attended a bilderderg(sp) meeting. at drudge there was the same kerry ,edwards picture but they were cropped much closer yesterday. almost looked about to kiss. now today drudge shows them in an embrace with kerry's hand under edwards jacket???? with the heading "we have better hair"!!!!! the right always attacks sexually first, it seems to me.
sally has her finger on the pulse of the times right now...there are just sooo many variables.

Given the rightwing has adopted photoshopped works as the norm as their 'reporting', I don't expect it to be that long before we see them on Fox too, and for people to start believing what they are seeing.

I'm very happy about the Edwards pick too. I love all the additional astrology insights that you all have posted here. PALLAS18 -- I have a couple of questions and was wondering if you could elaborate a little more as I am so intrigued by your comments. Re: the Moon/Jupiter/Mars conjunct Uranus. Would there have to be some indications in the individual birth charts inorder for a call for revolution to actually take hold? In addition, could you elaborate a little more on the 9th house legal issues in Edwards chart that you commented on in a previous article. Could this be related to foreign counties (9th) also somehow? What is on the cusp of his 9th house?

Great article on Salon about the incredible contrast between Edwards and Cheney. Here's the link
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/07/07/edwards/index2.html

The article talks about how they couldn't be more different, but I find it interesting that both are air signs: Edwards a Gemini and Cheney an Aquarius.
It would be really intersting to see an astro analysis comparing the two.

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Rubaiat,

A couple of articles ago on this site (I forget which one but it's been within the last month), I posted here that I had seen a roster of names of attendees/speakers at the Bilderberg conference last month (simultaneous with the G8 meeting) in Italy. I noted then that this was an intersting occurrence, and that future world leaders all seem to make an appearance before this group (at the Bilderberg's invitation) prior to moving up the chain of command in world politics. So, I was pleased, but not really surprised that Edwards was the pick.

MIKE,

Thanks for your positive spin on the coming election. Let’s maintain the hope!

********************************************

A LOVING REMINDER TO EVERYONE HERE

Let’s remember the power(Pluto) in and the responsibility(Saturn) of the words we use and how they magnetize and attach.

Not everyone reading these posts is at the same level of awareness of working with and transforming energy.

How many people are reading these astrological interpretations and are feeling confused - one minute hopeful and the next internalizing doubt and fear about Kerry, the election and the state of the world.

We don’t just have the words from the person who posted them, but also reactions from those who have read them and have been affected by them even if only slightly, at a subconscious level. So what is being projected AND CREATED IS OFTEN WHAT WE DON’T WANT INSTEAD OF WHAT WE DO WANT.

A couple of examples from posts here:

When Pallas posted:

“I don't like the danger of Kerry's Mars conjunct US Uranus, always indicative of accidents”

What other possibilities of Mars Uranus could we entertain?

And soon after Pallas’ post regarding Kerry’s health,

Cliss posted the following about Kerry:

“I just looked at some photos on the DU (taken yesterday) and he looks really bad. His health?”

SEE HOW QUICKLY THE ENERGY MOVES !!!

MAYBE THE GUY’S JUST TIRED!!! After all, he has been campaigning, probably not getting enough sleep, or eating right, and flying all over the place for the past several months.

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Reminds me of the story about a woman who went to a party. She thought she looked terrific, and was feeling happy and confident as she walked into the room.

Then a friend of hers came along, looked at her and said, “Are you feeling O.K. You don’t look so good.”

As soon as the woman heard those words, she began to doubt how she felt. She no longer felt great, her mood changed and her energy drooped, the expression on her face changed and she wilted.

WE AFFECT AND INFECT EACH OTHER WITH OUR WORDS.

When there is good news, why not sustain that energy instead of immediately inserting a YEAH BUT as though we’re not capable of sustaining positive energy for more than a nanosecond.

And when the news is not so positive, let’s not focus on the negative, energize it and spread it around.

A PRIEST ONCE TOLD ME, LI FE IS A SERIES OF WAVES. It goes up and then it goes down and then it goes up and then down and then up………..

LET’S RIDE THE CREST OF THE WAVES AND NOT GET CAUGHT IN THE UNDERTOW.

**************************************************

NANCY, SALLY, VIS, WV, PALLAS, and any other astrologer I may have missed-

There is so much talent and insight that is helpful to all of us. And there are so many levels of perceptions.

I WOULD SO APPRECIATE IT
if you would, whenever you interpret a transit, or a chart
give us the possibilities, from the lowest to the highest.

Reminds me of how a teacher of mine once explained a Saturn Mars transit.

1. A guy was speeding, went through a red light and got stopped by a cop. (Mars-Speed. Saturn-authority.)
2. The same guy instead decided to exert some self-discipline and initiate an exercise program. (Mars-physical energy. Saturn-self-discipline.)

ENERGY IS CONSTANTLY IN MOTION AND ACTING UPON ITSELF.

THE PERSON AFFECTED BY THE PLANETARY TRANSITS CAN AFFECT THE OUTER MANIFESTATION AND OUTCOME BY INTERNALLY INTERACTING WITH, MODULATING AND ADJUSTING THE ENERGIES.

Peace,

Jaycee

Jaycee: I appreciate your comments above and understand how you must be feeling as I am a sensitive person too. But....isn't it true that a negative thought must be repeated constantly or repititiously before it manifests? Everything in the Universe works through polarity, does it not? I personally would not change a thing about the questions, comments, assumptions, etc. from the posters here. Wouldn't the positive vibes cancel out any negativity (to me questions rather than negative vibes) expressed here? I hope I am not misunderstanding you but just want to say that I like to look at all the angles, both good and bad.

at last "Kenny-Boy and George - bring 'em on!

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/printer_070804A.shtml

Jaycee

Thanks for the compliment, but I am not an astrologer...just a researcher and a lurker (but
hardly shy). I enjoy this blog immensely and the
day the current administration departs will be
one of the happiest days of my 75 years.

in this context it doesn't feel negative or positive to express views and try to reach a better understanding of our times; either one would feel false here.
i have noticed that some people work better under"negative "transits...that it sometimes increases their energy or activates a fighting spirit within...maybe george has this going for him.
what kind of doctor is dean?

* The US and Eurasia: End game for the industrial era? http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/031303Heinberg/031303heinberg.html

Vis - I agree with you that "the presidency is a dark job." One of things I've been wondering is why would anybody would want the job. Especially this time around. My god, can you imagine all the things he will have to deal with? Not just in trying to clean up the mess this adminstration has created but also the continous battle with the repugs. If they lose this election...watch out. I'm sorry but these people are down right mean and they will fight him with everything they've got. Which is as we have seen...is quite a bit. Kerry is not going to be as fortunate as Bush was walking into his new job. I plan to be very hopeful for Kerry/Edwards because I believe America is waking up.

Oh, for crying out loud, I don't know about anyone else, but I am so TIRED of feeling bad and afraid and angry - Kerry and Edwards are going to freaking WIN!! YES, we need to keep this positive vision bouyant and no, negative thoughts don't necessarily take a long time to manifest. Things can manifest very quickly, good or bad. I'm with Mike, Jaycee and Peg - we have EARNED the right to feel hope. Let's please keep it alive, make it grow and watch it manifest. Hot damn, it feels SO GOOD to be happy for a change!

Laughing Lucy - I'm sorry I didn't mention that I've been walking on air since the Edwards announcement. I love the reaction by the repugs...they are scared. We all know the outcome is never certain but there has just been a sense "good" in the air. It's like watching a movie and white hats have finally stepped on stage!

free speech, wonderful, on this site, expecially. but i do like jaycee's take. my understanding is that the greeks only looked at 'hard' aspects believing that challenge was the key to development. in this case, there is an interplay between the person and the chart/transits.

regarding bilderberg, trilateral commission, etc. meetings, let me share an instructive story. i lived in the chelsea section of new york city during the 1974 congressional campaign. bella abzug, a tough, left-wing feminist was campaigning for re-election. in the greenwich village, just below chelsea, there were several very rough leather gay bars that restricted entry to men dressed in leather. bella knocked on the door (lots of voters inside) and asked to come in and campaign. the bouncer said sorry lady, you don't have leather. in her 'butch,' booming base voice, bella opened her coat, showed the bouncer a very large leather belt and said, 'take a look at that ...hole, not get the f... out of my way.' she was admitted immediately. one of the many morals of this story is: simply attending a meeting in a certain locale with certain people does not make you a member of the group!

Dean is a medical doctor, rubaiat.

* BREAKING: Ken[ny-Boy] Lay Indicted, Will Surrender to FBI http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/070804Z.shtml

* The Decline and Fall of the bush Fans http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/04/07/p/06_fans.html

Somewhat off topic here, but I picked up a copy of Mountain Astrologer at the health food store last night, and there's a lengthy article on the US over the next 7 years - some horrendously difficult challenges in store, but excellent reading if you can make it all the way to the end. As a meager lurker here, I can't speak to the accuracy of this and other articles, but I must say that for the long range, the outlook was positive. The article's not online, but here's a link to the magazine's website (which you probably all subscribe to anyway). I'd appreciate hearing any comments the "real" astrologers have on this, as there were certainly intimations of revolutions for the positive coming up in the article.

http://www.mountainastrologer.com

This is part of a keynote speech I gave to a group of international astrologers in late 1999 and the coming new Millennium and what to expect. Every so often I post this little piece of that speech just as a reminder of the circle of life.

There will be plagues, killing millions across the world. Never before seen objects in the sky dripping horrible instruments of destruction, raining terror and death on the masses. We will experience genocide, as Kosovo has been experiencing genocide. War? There will be horrible wars. There will be so much pain and suffering, people will beg God to take them. We will have a depression, the likes of which our society has never known and money will be worthless. If you have the resources to get food, there will be little food to buy. Millionaires will die penniless. The drastic and dramatic earth changes of floods, tornadoes, volcanoes, and earthquakes will almost be a relief to the deprivation occurring to mankind.

Think of it, tens of millions will die of starvation, illness, war, and senseless acts of brutality. Children killing children, parents brutalizing their young, brother and sisters stealing from one another, and good men and women turning their faces away, doing nothing. Just when we think we’ve had enough, mother earth will turn on us.

Believe me, I wish I was wrong about this, but I am not wrong.

It all happened between 1900 and 1999, and here we are, we survived. We have survived the destruction of the 20th Century just to stand on the threshold of the 21st Century fearful that we are facing what? Something worse? Just as those who came before us, we will survive and we will survive with hope for great turmoil brings great healings.

Just got back from seeing F911. Every citizen, even the most informed, shld see this masterpiece imo. Lila just broke my heart, she did. I have a beautiful son, too... Lila's anguish is too much to bear, AND she is All Mothers... & The Mother within men... All Mothers' anguish down thru the centuries. "Rachael wept for her children because they were no more." Now! ...it's time to sacrifice the "rulers" on THEIR OWN altars, & no one will weep. "Ashes to ashes; dust to dust..." I'm crabby & weepy, but sure I'd feel a whole lot better if I cld turn buschie/pals into dust n' ashes right now. That'd be good.

I wish these sweeping prophesies wld get honest enuf to say "'caused by a few pink-supremacist greedy childish men-like creatures." That'd be good, too.

vis/mike--

doesn't the inauguration chart pertain to a human administration?--kerry has a lunar return the day after the inaguration the planetary degrees being very similar at least to the outer planets--and since the lunar return is referenced to washington d c there is indeed quite a similarity--

the scary chart is the usa chart for the first inauguration ever--this can be referred to as the chart of the presidency itself--currently transiting pluto squares natal saturn--having recently survived such a transit i can guarantee this is no cakewalk--in fact robert hand says of the transit quite often it can be fatal--

there is reason to fear whether an election will be held-- would one more terrorist explosion mean
martial law-- a nuclear explosion or 'accident'in the middle east--the scenarios are numerous--bush's saturn return happening later this year could mean that bush will have to reap what he has sown--saturn will deliver a dose of reality that bush will have to face on his own as a man not a spoiled rich kid whose messes were always cleaned up and swept under the rug by his father's underlings--i certainly hope i'm wrong but remembering nixon's re-election in the face of just as many negatives if not more than bush is now facing gives me pause--our duty as astrologers is to attempt to see what the future will bring not what we want it to bring--once again isn't it better to pray for strength enough to face adversity than to pray for an easy life????---thanks for your comments

w, very thoughtful reply. here is how i see it. when the world was about to get blown to bits during the cuban missle crisis, kennedy got two contradictory letters from kruschev. if he believed one, he would sue for peace. believing the othe meant certain war. he acted on the optimistic memo. i've got multiple choices but on this forum, the choice is between your version of events and nancy w's version using the same general art/science of astrology. i choose nancy's because it's more optimistic (collective intentionality) and fitting with my hopes; and also because i see more evidence sequentially in nancy's timeline (on her site). i do appreciate your viewpoint and plan to blame you personally if it comes to pass (lol).

sally, thats a great paragraph.

my optimism remains. i saw kerry and edwards together on c-span. for day one, they're doing quite well and you can just see edwards mind crafting the pieces of his modified 'stump speech.' the guy is amazing.

Well I've been working Dubya, Kerry and Edwards'
charts both for election and inauguration.

Edwards really should have been the nominee and if he were, the presidential election would be his without a doubt.

But he's not the candidate and from there it gets
much more complicated.

And I have to agree somewhat with what has been said in many quarters before. but with a twist. It looks like Bush is elected but there's a good chance he would not be inaugurated.

Something occurs between election and inauguration.

Meanwhile, I have not found the aspects that tell John Kerry is elected, but there are aspects that say he is inaugurated - but his health wold be in terrible danger immediately.

Another enigma.

Later.

I just got back from a Kerry-Edwards rally at the Coliseum in St. Petersburg, Florida. My friend and I got there at 7:30 p.m., thinking we were early, but the line was over a mile long. We got at the end of the line. We waited for 2 hours to get through to the Coliseum and behind us were another several thousand people. It was after 10:00 p.m. before we got in. After us, only 15 or 16 other people got in, and they cut it off, the place was packed to the hilt. They hit their capacity for the fire hazard.

Several thousand could not get in. Boy, did they underestimate how many people would show up! It should have been held at the stadium in Tampa!

What a rally!! Edwards DOES energize Kerry. He is just wonderful. This team is a winner! Teresa, Kerry's wife, is just brilliant, and she spoke from the heart. Honestly, folks, this team will win in a landslide, barring fraud, that is.

After the rally, Kerry and Edwards were nice enough to get in their limos, get into the crowd who missed the rally, get out and shake hands with the crowd. Secret Service and police were all over the place. People were everywhere. Kerry MUST have sensed that the momentum is tremendous, people love them, and they want to take their country back!!

Edwards is the perfect cheerleader for Kerry. Well done, Kerry!! Edwards energized that crowd like I've never seen in my lifetime. This man is just amazing.

No astrology in this, I apologize. Just thought I'd rant about my experience a little.

Another funny little thing: Across the street from the Colesium were Bush supporters yelling "four more years!" "four more years!". Our crowd came back (thousands) yelling "four more months!" "four more months!" Believe me, that shut them right up!!

Oh yes, I forgot to mention, it's interesting that Kerry and Edwards have natal Venus in almost exactly opposition to each other by one degree. Kerry has Venus at 3 Scorpio in the 10th, and Edwards has Venus at 4 Taurus on the cusp of the 11th.

On October 28 there's a lunar eclipse at 5 Taurus which will affect them both. For Kerry it's his 10th house of career, for Edwards it's his 11th house of hopes, goals, wishes.

More. ..later

It seems to me that there's a distinct possibility that another election heist (coup d'etat) could be attempted... after all, all those diebolt et al machines are STILL in place... but what if there's an uprising ala Spain et al of more than half of the American Peoples, more than half of the CIA, more than half of the military, & half of the republicans in congress & PRACTICALLY ALL THE REST OF THE WORLD. They ALSO are greatly adversely affected by the USian lil gaggle of criminal monsters. After all, blast it! enuf is enuf! We DON'T have to put up with these guys! NO! NO MORE!! Our Constitution advises that we get rid of the whole lot when they stink!! We'll DO IT with the Energy of pluto swollowing-up/transforming the pitiful criminal defences of status quo saturn.

Thank you so much, Laurie, for the report on the ralley! I loved it! ;O)

Pallas, mike &w, thanks for interesting insights. I'm intrigued by several diagnoses of the upcoming transits.

I'm thinking about diving into the archives here to pull some commonalities about the upcoming election. My intuition tells me that things may not turn out as we all hope.

I hesitate to even say this, because we have all paid our dues for these past 3 1/2 years in this house of horrors. Why shouldn't we feel triumphant now that everything seems to be going well for us.

If it is bad news, I would personally rather hear that than mislead myself. Sorry to be negative. I told my boss today that I was taking my 3 teenage boys to go see 9/11. He was very upset, and warned me not to take them because it would be "damaging".

I didn't tell him that when the kids were toddlers, I took them to the rougher districts in Portland, so they could see that not everyone lived the comfortable life that they had.

Just trying to be realistic.

amen joanna and good night!

& laurie, thanks for the story about st. pete's. if they play there, they'll play everywhere!

Oh yes, one (or more) things.

Just because there is no planet in the career house does not mean there is going to be no career. ( a little knowledge is a dangerous thing)

I did mention didn't I that Edwards' Jupiter Moon would liven up Kerry. Edwards' Jupiter/Moon is on Kerry's Uranus/Mars which can activate a lot of excitement between them - what others can palpably feel, and I wouldn't worry about their getting along, with Edwards' Moon on Kerry's sun.

the dynamic duo is exactly the name for them.

We just have to get them into the White House somehow.

PPS
another by the way, if you want to see what the new entity "dynamic duo is like, draw a chart for July 6, 2004, 7:30 AM EDT, Pittsburgh, Pa. That's the birth chart of this new team. And don;t be surprised at the creative stuff they come up with, with Uranus conjunct the Moon in Pisces...and another by the way. There are indications that this is a past life energy. this may not be the first time they have worked together.

There are other indications that they are capable of bringing healing to this country.

Here's to them!

I do hope the two of them (Kerry & Edwards) re-think domestic spying and instead of pushing for more of it (see link below) instead push to once again elevate our civil liberties to their rightful place:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5388509/site/newsweek

This is a unique election in many ways. So many pundits, media and political. Have said that: 1. An outright Liberal (Kerry) has never been elected outright during their initial run for President. These individuals run more on a 'conservative' agenda. And once elected, the liberal side matures during their time in office. 2. We are told a movie (Farenheight 9-11) cannot influence an election. (Even though G.H.W. Bush's Willie Horton ad, helped to defeat Mike Dukkais.) And 3. That the Vice Presidential choice will have little or no effect on the actual election. This is the Convential Wisdom, and this Election may well infact cause everyone to re-write opinions and the rule of thumb. As the Kerry/Edwards tickets continues to gain momentum. This will be an interesting election, all around.

What do you think Drudge is trying to say???

http://www.drudgereport.com/kerryk.htm

Sidney Blumenthal "The Battle for the South
Has Begun"...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4966105-103677,00.html

That the Universe revolves around homophobic gay guys like hisself?! ;O)

The Dump Cheney movement seems to be moving along at a faster clip:

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4799.shtml

CNN wants to know if you think the terror alert rating should be raised from "elevated" to "high".

Referring to the St. Pete rally above, here's the write up in the St. Pete Times:

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/07/08/Worldandnation/Thousands_from_bay_ar.shtml

Nearly 10,000 showed up; only 2,000 got in!! Thank my lucky stars!

Blessed be, as Joanna says!

JoannaOregon's mention of the "pink-supremacists" reminded me of this:

http://radio.weblogs.com/0123486/stories/2004/07/08/theConspiracyByRevIvanStang.html

EXCERPT (DON'T WORRY, THE REST IS IN lower case):

... we're not supposed to know that THE ADVERSARY is not some grimy weirdo
cranking out crack-pot rants in a filthy basement, or a Cult Leader wearing
mystic symbols on an afternoon TV talk show. We're not supposed to know that the
MANIACAL HATCHET FIEND is that quiet, harmless person who brings us such
wonderful vegetables from their MIRACULOUSLY WELL-FERTILIZED GARDEN!!! THAT SATAN
INCARNATE ISN'T A HIDEOUS ABOMINATION FROM HELL, BUT A CLEAN-SCRUBBED,
PINK-FACED, WIDE-GRINNED, NECKTIE-WEARING GOOD- NATURED TRUSTWORTHY SOUL WHO IS
POCKETING HUGE AMOUNTS OF CASH FOR POISONING AND MURDERING MILLIONS, saying, "WE
HAVE NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT THE TENFOLD ESCALATION OF HORRIBLE DEATH IN THE
DIRECT VICINITY OF OUR PLANT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE BLACK SLUDGE LEAKING OUT
OF OUR WASTE DUMP ONTO THE PLAYGROUND OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL!!!

The Repub push to get Osama during the Democratic elections is on!

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040719&s=aaj071904

Worst bungling,burglar occupying the WH and his cronies have only 3 months left.Worst presidency too at every level, from cheny as weep,rummy at
sec defence, cunty as advisor, powell as sec state
each one of them personify the worst man or woman
at these posts in the 228 year history and 50% of
the blame must be put on the citizens here for allowing this to occur. Even tricky dick and roguish ronnie did't sink to this abyss.

Howdy, taterhead! How nice to "see" you! (Love that tag ;O)

Another nice rant, Raj! Well, that & multi-jiggered "elections."

shylurker, dumping chney is picking up by the repugs and through the lips on the other end, shrub last night,when grilled by a reporter in NC
says cheny is prez,next or some such garbage, to which Kerry replied smartly that he had been prez, since day one and must have added, shrub is like a puppet on a string! So, I like this dillemma for these rotten repugs.

Raj. you are so right, they have truly sunk to an abyss. Drudge has a report on his site with collection of pictures of Kerry and Edwards touching each other on the shoulders, upper back, arms and face and he is wondering why they cannot keep their hands off each other the obvious implication to the public is one of homophobia. The conservatives seem to have some kind of unhealthy obsession with sex and I think need a group hug and therapy.

In 1992 the conservative attack machine drug out Jennifer Flowers and seemed to be convinced America would gasp and not elect Clinton, they made the same mistake on the impeachment. Their sexual obsession seems to rise to the level of 7th grade boys consummed and tittering over pictures of breasts as they come into puberty.

I figure Karl Rove is concerned that his "go to guy" isn't going to win and they will pull out all the stops. Today Ridge gave a warning that there was "credible" information that we could have an attack right before the elections. I would say Raj that the "stops" have been pulled out.

rotten repugs have such a fetish about sex, Sally
and they teach and preach 24 hrs/day about family
values, holiness, god etc. to all of us, it is utterly ridiculous.Also, in their closet families,
they also have at least one gay(like in chenys and
lots of others too), it is real ironic, why they
are not able to raise so called 'straight' per their values, it looks so stupid of them.Then you
also have these Ryans of repugs running on those same holier than thou values.Less talked about all
these, the better, it is quite endless!

In case you didn't read the article that Skylurker posted, it isn't just about dumping Cheney, it's about pending criminal indictments for getting Haliburton a contract and also for money laundering (& more), now under investigation by the French. The report on the Haliburton matter has some very serious stuff on Cheney. It looks like he will have to voluntarily bow out. If he survives, it will only be because the stars are with him

"The Dump Cheney movement seems to be moving along at a faster clip:

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4799.shtml"

In Maureen Dowd's column, she says

"Except for the fact that the Secret Service has already advised journalists to bring "escape hood respirators" to the Democratic convention in Boston in case of a terrorist attack, it looks as if happy campaign days are here again."

Just what are the aspects looking like for the convention come the end of this month?

The Ministry of 'Homeland Security' (sic) has warned of grave 'terrorist' danger in the weeks and months ahead - with a special emphasis placed on the period surrounding the conventions and elections, but strangely hasn't ratcheted up the threat level from yellow to orange. Well, we know what THAT'S all about: falling poll numbers, the energized Kerry-Edwards ticket and the Ken Lay perp walk, not to mention over a dozen or so articles making the rounds about Cheney being investigated and perhaps being idicted in so many ongoing investigations as to make a mob family feel inadequate.

Does anyone really believe that the majority of Americans will be sucker punched by these guys again?

There's been a lot posted here about bush, but what's around the bend for the real pResident, Cheney?

===================

Raj,

Go to Democratic Underground. There's a hilarious string on Drudge's crap about those photoshopped pictures. One poster quipped that now we at least "know that Drudge can type with one hand." Another posted that since the Dems had such an energetic, attractive ticket (as opposed to the old retreads now in office) that the repugs had descended to the level of little 3rd grade boys on the playground.

Raj: I love to read your colorful posts!!! It always confounds me so when the Repugs are hollaring about the rights of the fetus, anti-abortion stance, the killing of a fetus, etc. but they are always the first to hollar for the killing of war. I will never understand their values if I dare ascribe any to them.

Will any of the astrologers here be looking at the chart of the Republican Party for possible big defeat in November in Senate and House? I have been curious for a long, long time. Does anyone know of any astrology sites with this sort of info. can be found? Also, I want to know where the Democratic Congress will be.

Hi Sharon K.: What an interesting article. I'm sure the President didn't say the F word though. Didn't we have a discussion about Capital Hill Blues a while back and some of us decided it was a satirical site?? Do we take their writing seriously. It sure sounds good to me if it is in fact partly true. In fact, I heard about this French indictment about 6-9 months ago on PRI - Lisa Mullins "The World". Never heard anymore about anywhere else since then. I figured at the time that nothing would ever come of it as Cheney, just like Bush, has a way of slipping out of any possible scandal. Glad to know it's back in the news and picking up steam. Now, if they could just get going on DeLay and Tozan.

* bush Stalks Off, Refuses to Answer Questions About His Close Relationship with Kenny Boy Lay ;O) http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/040708/photos_ts_afp/040708125254_jg418y7h_photo1

Beverly, if you'll look at the left-hand side bar, you can access both Demo and Repug charts from there. Above "Recent Articles".

Hi everybody: I want to post this fantastic article by Jim Sinclair, a gold market analyst. He describes the far reaching consequences of the Plame investigation on markets. He does not site any sources to his material and am suspicious of that but want to post it for your information as if true could have hugh implications for our economy. I suspect that he is basing his ideas on his experience working in the global financial markets. What do you all think? Perhaps it won't be one big thing that brings down this administration, but several issues that merge together. I am having great difficulty trying to find astrology information on our near term economy. Any suggestions other than Merriman..... http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/04_Money/040628.plame.html. Also see: http://jsmineset.com/ ---- /This article reminds me of Robert Hand's Inaguration Chart where he says Bush will have a sudden (Uranus) fall from power due to financial manuevers that don't quite work out. This will affect the 2nd house (resources, money) and the 5th house (markets). Remember when we all talked about that? Pretty frightening stuff.

Well, I just lost another one to the ozone or rings of Neptune or wherever.

I had commented that we are probably at the scariest juncture right now for they are clearly near the bottom of their slimey barrel of tricks. They are backed into a corner, up against a cold wall. What'll they do now, the rats? Obviously, no price is too high to pay.

And, Raj, I just want to thank you for your posts. You are SO right on!

(Now, let's see if I can get this puppy to post. Once.)

That link to Quayle doesn't work. Go to the large Q and click, then click Money Matters. The Plame article is highlighted in green. I want you all to read it so I can hear your opinion. It's short and very interesting.

Michael Moore is allowing F9/11 to be released on DVD before the November election. . . I am sure the release will be timed for the most impact.

Remember that group of rag-tag miscreants and thugs who are causing all the trouble in Iraq? Well, read this for a more accurate assessment of their number:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4290373,00.html

How many members of the Smirk Administration have family members serving in the U.S. military in Iraq?
Oh.

Skylurker: Thank you for the tip but I want to see an analysis for the near term. I don't know how to interpret charts, however I did copy them from here a year ago for the data.....Skylurker, I am with you on the extremes that they will go to to maintain there power. I see a flurry of new articles on terrorist warnings on the web today. Seems they are going to happen "for sure". I wonder how they could know anything for sure unless they have plans underway.

F.Y.I. All: Anti-Bush websites now on Google: 36,600 compared to this time last year 8,000. In another hour will probably climb to 36,700. Amazing.

In regards to the Drudge Report photo collage, I agree that there a weird obsession with sex on the right that is a result of te right's pent-up sexuality and refusal to acknowledge that anything related to sex could be good.

But on the other hand, I looked at the pictures with an open mind and I wanted to throw in some ideas that popped into my head. First let me state this so that it is very clear to all who are reading: Kerry and Edwards are NOT gay. I would not care if they were, and in fact, I would support them even more than I already do if they were, but they are definitely not gay. The impression I got from the pictures was threefold. First, all the touchy feeliness is a kind of positive reinforcement amongst two people on the same team. Whether it's a fraternity, a sports team, or just a group of close friends, this is the kind of stuff guys do. Second, and perhaps most controversially, this whole thing kind of reminds me of the 2 hobbits in Lord of the Rings. Personally, I got a little bit of a gay vibe from the hobbits, in the same way people get such a vibe from Bert and Ernie. Again, Kerry and Edwards are not gay, but there's something about this relationship that makes the two of them very very close. Thirdly, all this touchy feeliness between Kerry and Edwards send a subconscious signal to Americans who see it. 1) Positive physical contact is a good thing. Fundamentalist Chrisitians abhor the body and believe in orignal sin, and all this positive physical contact sends a signal that physicality is a good thing. 2) It's okay for two men to have a close relationship with each other without necessarily sleeping with each other. If you can't learn to love your fellow man, how can you learn to love France, or Afghanistan, or Palestine? 3) It's okay to be happy. Both Edwards and Kerry seem really happy with each other. When was the last time a public official seemed sincerely happy about something? We live in such dark times that the few instances of positivity and affirmation are always fleeting and seem to always be tied to political or economic gain. It's true that Edwards as veep is a political situation, but the mutual admiration between these two men seems to be far more profound.

So to conclude, when I saw the pictures on the Drudge Report, I was very very pleased to see such a positive development. After reading this, I hope you will feel the same way too.

Dave: Excellent observations.

I have to jump in here and say that there was definitely a homoerotic thing going between those hobbits. "I'm his gardener" says Samwise. Yeah. OK.
~D

Aw, Matt's just jealous.

Over on American Politics Journal, there's a link to a blogspot that is such a riot I'm copying the entry in its entirety here. It's about John Edwards' 'scary' past as a dreaded trial lawyer. The blogger, called 'The Farmer', is so hilarious in some parts of this I was lol at my office computer. And, unfortunately, it's all so on point it's 'scary.'

"Judy Woodruff's "Scary!" Hangdog Playhouse
"Scary!" - ? What could CNN's Judy Woodruff be referring too? What's so scary Judy? Could it be that we have a group of people in the White House who have been operating a secretive foreign policy chop shop on the taxpayer dole? Waging a war founded upon conspiracy theories, carefully orchestrated deceptions, false premises, prearranged cost plus contractual cronyism, and outright bald faced lies. Could that be what Judy finds scary? Or perhaps Judy is scared because over 800 Americans have died in Iraq and more than 4000 wounded as a direct result of such deceptions, false premises, conspiracy theories, cronyism, and outright bald faced lies.

More than 4000 missing arms, legs, hands, eyes, feet. Thousands burned, bandaged, brain damaged, beheaded -- spines snapped, folded, spindled and mutilated. And that's not counting the thousands and thousands of Iraqi citizens suffering likewise. Could Judy be afraid of that? Or maybe Judy finds it "scary!" that people such as herself helped ballyhoo, mass market, distribute, fold, lick, and rubber stamp many (if not all) of those hot metal conspiracy theories, false premises, deceptions, and outright bald faced lies with nary a second glance to the questionable veracity and/or consequences of such oily forged mechanics. Could that be what Judy finds "scary!"?

Oh, no! Nothing like that. Don't be ruhdicaliss. What Judy finds so "scary!" (with an exclamation point) is a recent poll cited by CNN senior political analyst, and visiting American Enterprise Institute goodfellow, Bill Schneider. A poll which allegedly indicates that voters, "by better than 2-1", consider John Trial Lawyer Guy Edwards, and his "experience" as such, a "strength" rather than a "weakness".

I know what you're thinking. You're thinking - OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!! - How scary is that? Sure ya are. That's what Judy thought too. Upon hearing the terrifying news she immediately exclaimed: "Scary!". Just like that. Just cacked it right up as if she were expurgating a vulgar clam which had failed to behave itself on the path to assimilation.

As a matter of fact I have a transcript snip of the televised exchange right here below: (bold emphasis mine)

SCHNEIDER: Republicans also intend to attack Edwards for being a trial lawyer. How scary is that? Not very, because by better than 2- 1, voters see Edwards experience as a trial lawyer as more of a strength than a weakness -- Judy.

WOODRUFF: Scary!

SCHNEIDER: Right.

WOODRUFF: Interesting. OK. Bill Schneider, thanks very much.

SCHNEIDER: Sure.

"Scary!" Oh yes. But Judy composed herself immediately - she is, after all, a practiced tragedienne - but for a moment there I was almost convinced she might just spring from her anchor chair and begin running around like a blind clog in a meat locker screeching "the trial lawyers are coming, the trial lawyers are coming!" and then hurl herself down a hole in the floor and scamper off to the safety of some secret CNN panic room impervious to the advances of populist litigators or peasants wielding prosthetic devices.

Anyway, considering all the scary things in the world to be scared of, I thought it a little out of character for the usually sedated hangdogish Judy Woodruff to become aroused to the extent she felt it necessary to declare a favorable public opinion poll of a particular celebrated trial lawyer's career a "scary!" harbinger of some apparently sinister harbinger variety or another.

On the other hand I don't really know what Judy is into personally. For all I know she may be returning home each evening and performing deeply discounted one hour (no waiting) human organ transplants on her kitchen table. Or chaining blind Chinese immigrants to a fleet of giant bench saws. Who the hell knows. I suppose anyone practicing home surgical remedies or running around town selling elixirs of news hokum as cures for everything from pattern baldness to Bolshevism or operating a swelter box crosscutting operation from inside a cinderblock bunker in the back yard might become a little jumpy around the notion of trial lawyers lurking in the harbingers regardless of neighborly affirmations of trial lawyer popularity in general. But, like I said, I dunno what Judy gits herself into once she exits the sparkly tee-vee screen. Could be almost anything I imagine.

She does however appear to be fond of carrying on conversations with "unidentified males" captured on videotape. That stirs the imagination doesn't it? Here's a brief sample from a July, 06 episode of Paula Zahn Now; with Judy Woodruff guest hosting. Roll nasty tape:

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
JUDY WOODRUFF, HOST, "JUDY WOODRUFF'S INSIDE POLITICS" (voice- over): Tonight, Republicans target John Edwards.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No foreign policy experience.

WOODRUFF: And he's not John McCain.

That's right Judy, you boob-toob remora. "He's" not John McCain. McCain is that clingfish from Arizona who is currently darting about the country like a fawning kismet rooting for the same B-Team that portrayed him in 2000 as a reconstructed commie stooge sent home to derail the Assentation. Plus, he had that brown baby and that crazy junkie wife that he kept locked up in a trailer on the edge of town! You remember the brown baby and the crazy junkie wife on the edge of town don't you Judy? The one that Kool Aide Karl's thirsty Team-Bush spongers soaped up as suspect family character values and telling reminders of Mr. McCain's, uh, smirk smirk, "foreign policy experience".

John McCain. Yeah. Gimme a break. The man has no sense of decency or self respect whatsoever if all he has to offer at this point is himself as just one more etagere or flash of pasty leg in some twisted goosestep on behalf of the Bush Dynasty's continuing criminal cabaret freak show enterprise. To dance like a cheap whore to that terrible tune after what those BushCo. shit fiddlers put him through in 2000 is pretty weak policy indeed. Foreign or domestic.

John McCain ain't no John Edwards. That's for sure.

UPDATE CNN doens't seem to have an ombudsman (Readers?) The feedback page on "editorial slant" is here.

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Want to see what;'s going on in this country after
Ridge's announcement that they are looking into the Constitution about canceling elections?
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-08-04 11:44 AM
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27. Buy guns now

Canceling the election is grounds for revolution. Plain and simple, if they di it, it's an illegal coup and requires avery patriotic American to stand up and fight!


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jay-3d (104 posts) Thu Jul-08-04 11:46 AM
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30. true

the constitution does call for revolution in these kind of situations.


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Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-08-04 11:56 AM
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45. Absolutely right!

Stock up on weapons and ammo now, because after the takeover it will be too late. If this shit goes down like I am afraid it will, it is going to be one bloody Thanksgiving.


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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-08-04 01:49 PM
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105. The fore-fathers warned of this.

They said it was bound to happen. They said when it did it was the American people's duty to pick up arms and take the country back by force. This is why I've always been against gun-control. Dis-arming yourself when you have selfish greedy evil fascists in control of your country is just plain STUPID.


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It;'s a good thing Kerry and Edwards have Jupiter MMoon Mars Uranus....and John Edwards has Jupiter Moon on the US Uranus - rebellion/freedom!

We will need a leader who people will follow into
a rebellion!

Sally

something's going on astrologically. Has Venus passed it's Rx point? Is Mars activating an eclipse?

People are mad as hell.

CNN took a poll. Is this terror threat real or
politics?

90% answered Politics. 90 % !!!!

People ready to arm themselves, Liberals sounding like freepers.

The Plame affair was on Jim Leherer.- that may break it open and lead to further Halliburton Cheney discovery of selling nukular materials illegally in addition to Libya and Nigeria, which Plame was investigating. Secret Halliburton connected payments to secret numbered Swiss bank accounts discovered by the French. Payments okayed by Cheney. Cheney is toast.

Kenny Lay was indicted.

10,000 show up for Kerry Edwards instead of 2

5,000 expected somewhere else, 18,000 show.

High tension felt everywhere. All in one day.

Can't look right now myself.

Are you seeing it Astrologically???? Sally??

Since we're on the subject, I will carefully venture onto the thin ice of the gay issue. I only bring this up because of the Abu Ghraib prison scandal. We know what the photos were about. Randi Rhodes pointed out that they were "homo-erotic porn", just like the kind you can find on the Internet.

She had a lot more to say about this, and she basically made it clear that the abuse was exactly the same at Guantanamo and Afghanistan.

Randi said this was a clear sign that the behavior came from the top, rather than from the "bottom". She has been hinting about who could have ordered this.

She has also mentioned that Cheney is gay. Someone pointed out that Karl Rove is also. So is Matt Drudge (hence the Kerry-Edwards "touchy-kissy" photos).

The only reason I bring this up because a leading member of the administration ordered this. Who? I'm beginning to suspect that Rumsfeld is gay. If not him, then maybe Cambone, or Miller.

Please note: I have nothing against gay people. I'm only concerned because this behavior ended up hurting a lot of people in Baghdad.

For anyone reading who's never knowingly interacted with anyone gay on planet Earth, sexually abusing people and being gay are in no way related. Apparently, we need to check this right now before Drudge posts anything else, or some sort of gay red-scare, witch hunt starts under the direction of our clearly insane representatives in the government.

The unspeakably cruel acts that happen in military prisons under America's watch are the result of a lust for power and control and are only marginally sexual. I would not expect a knowing bigot or a religious zealot to be able to make that distinction but I would expect an intelligent person, a worldly experienced person and even a very young person to.

Remember, when the Bu$h thing started falling apart the first thing they pulled out of the dark corners was basically an attempt to amend the Constitution to create second-class citizens. They can call it "The Defense of Marriage Act" but that was the nuts and bolts with it.

Personally, I think all the creeps in the government are perverts but I their suppressed desires are an aberration, not an indication, of homosexuality as a whole.

Namaste~
~D

The hideous scenes from Abu Ghraib haven't so much to do with sexuality as they do with complete depravity. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with the torture that occurred in Abu Ghraib. Complete lack of morality and sadism had everything to do with it.

please insert a "think" in between I and their in the last sentence above.
~D

I only know a tiny bit of astrology. Dont' get the progressions, etc. so please forgive, but isnt' the affection and chemistry between Kerry and Edwards expected, since Edwards' natal sun is in Kerry's 7th house? (At least I think so, right? Gemini?)

Wouldn't that mean these guys were born to work well together as partners?

I think they look fantastic. Both of them married women slightly older than them. Very secure guys.

Dave... I was quite taken with your take on the Kerry/Edwards team. Their unabashed joy with each other... expressed by two males (something in dreadfully short supply these days)... showing that the great trouble/pain in the male pscyhe so evidenced, for example, in wars etc., now has the potential for healing. This will have great resonance on the collective psyche, whether folks are aware of it or not. And could it have been done without all the hard work done first by the gay community? I'll bet not.

I remember when newly-elected President Bill Clinton & Hillary Rodham-Clinton stood before America... as equals... & what a "uranian zap" that was. Yin/yang standing together... neither dominating the other. A true marriage & a balance. I've often thot that it was this energy dynamic that the fundamentalist hated most.

So we've had two recent images so very important for evolutionary/new development imo... yin/yang & yang/yang (with their "hidden" yins for in the beginning was yin/yin)... PLUS parternship with their spouses. I am very, very happy about this. (Thank you, Mr Drudge, for the photos!)

Together... Kerry/Edwards "electrify" (uranus) in their "coupling." And perhaps THEIR emphasis on neptune/pisces will be spiritual upliftment & universal love instead of the manifested degradations & deceptions we've endured for the past four years. Kerry/Edwards have already "won" the election imo. And we're all on our way (Tao) again. WhaddaHOOT!! ;O)

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Congress-Patriot-Act.html?hp%3Cbr%20/%3E

Republican-Led House Defeats Effort to Curb Patriot Act
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 9:19 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Republican-led House bowed to a White House veto threat Thursday and stood by the USA Patriot Act, defeating an effort to block the part of the anti-terrorism law that helps the government investigate people's reading habits.

The effort to defy Bush and bridle the law's powers lost by 210-210, with a majority needed to prevail. The amendment appeared on its way to victory as the roll call's normal 15-minute time limit expired, but GOP leaders kept the vote open for 23 more minutes as they persuaded about 10 Republicans who initially supported the provision to change their votes.

``Shame, shame, shame,'' Democrats chanted as the minutes passed and votes were switched. The tactic was reminiscent of last year's House passage of the Medicare overhaul measure, when GOP leaders held the vote open for an extra three hours until they got the votes they needed.

More....

I heard on the news that Iraqui resistance is 4 times the amount of troops the US originianlly reported, 5,000 = 20,000 Iraquis. I got a chill up my spine and my heart goes out to so many frightened family members hearing this lie exposed. I can't wait til these creeps are out.
I heard the AlQ threats re stopping the elections. My first thought would be to get out on the streets and revolt. Yes, revolution is in the air.

Astrologically Mercury is coming to a conjunction to Mars in Leo (nasty words, angry responses) Mars and Mercury is coming close to a conjunction to Bush Pluto (did you see that he was so angry at the questions regarding his relationship with Ken Lay that he just walked out of the press conference, we will see more of that from now until the election) Expect Bush to put his foot in his mouth over the next several days.

The Mercury Mars conjunction also conjuncts Pluto of the generation covering 1941 to about 1949, there will be quite a lot of anger over the next few weeks while TMars covers Leo aspecting the Leo Pluto. Obviously this is going to effect millions, depending on the condition of their Pluto lots of anger, Leo is the ego sign, wait until the Sun gets there

They're not only plucking us, they're plucking the
democratic congress.

I particularly revile Christopher Shays of Ct. I
wonder which oil or pharmaceutical or insurance company he's connected to. Little whiny neo-con plick. I'll google.

Bhakti, I posted the link to the article on the actual number of "insurgents" at 10:37 pm above.

Mmmmmmm. Sally, I'd best go look at the Pluto in my chart and the members of my family.

http://salon.com/news/wire/2004/07/08/afghan_arrest/index.html

Afghans arrest Americans in abuse case

July 8, 2004  |  Kabul, Afghanistan -- Afghan forces arrested three Americans, including a purported former Green Beret, after raiding a jail they were allegedly running in the Afghan capital and finding prisoners hanging from their feet, officials said Thursday.

The U.S. military, facing a widening inquiry into prisoner abuse, quickly distanced itself from the three, who had been posing as American agents before being detained Monday. State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said Thursday "the U.S. government does not employ or sponsor these men."

Afghan officials also dismissed claims by the apparent ringleader, Jonathan K. Idema, that he was a "special adviser" to their security forces, saying the three had posed as military agents on a self-appointed hunt for terrorists.

The Americans and four Afghans who were detained along with them "formed a group and pretended they were fighting terrorism," Interior Minister Ali Ahmad Jalali said. "They arrested eight people from across Kabul and put them in their jail."

More....

Thanks Sally.

Mars to generational Pluto - that's
Baby Boomer Pluto. And the largest population group, post world war 2.

I suspect we're going to be "up in arms" and very angry over Ridge's suggested martial law and "postponing" the elections.

Sounds like the world can expect a lot
of middle aged protesters out there. Any Saturn involved? a repeat of what went before?

Wow. This generation and country is really coming to a crisis.

We live in interesting times...to the 1000th power.

i just read that ridge will go on air with the terror news at 11:00 tomorrow.....at the same time kerry and edwards meet in fla.!!! so it bumps ken lay too...getting very crazy...
i feel like i'm seeing conspiracies everywhere and it makes me question my own perceptions... and then it turns out to be reality!

speaking of cheney's potty mouth; this might explain it. the article is well worth the read:

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4799.shtml

if cheney goes down for corruption in connection with Halliburton, then that company will tank. that would do more for corporate reform than any new law or regulation. the word would be out that getting insider deals might generate short term profits but end up trashing the company. this is the same site that ran the article about bush's mood swings

Mike there's a thread on DU under General Discussion called " Plame Indictments" - actually that's thread #4 - over 800 posts - on Cheney and the real possible reason for outing Valerie Plame -if you want a hair raising novel type read go back to thread #1.

Interesting, I meant to mention this before. Power broker and king maker Vernon Jordan is behind Kerry just as he was behind Clinton.

Published on Wednesday, July 7, 2004 by the Minneapolis Star Tribune
The King and W.: Their George and Ours
by Barbara Ehrenreich

When they first heard the Declaration of Independence in July 1776, New Yorkers were so electrified that they toppled a statue of King George III and had it melted down to make 42,000 bullets for the war. Two hundred twenty-eight years later, you can still get a rush from those opening paragraphs. "We hold these truths to be self-evident." The audacity!

Read a little further to those parts of the declaration that we seldom venture into after ninth-grade civics class, and you may feel something other than admiration: an icy chill of recognition. The bulk of the declaration is devoted to a list of charges against George III, several of which bear an eerie relevance to our own time.

George III is accused, for example, of "depriving us in many cases of the benefits of Trial by Jury." Our own George II has imprisoned two U.S. citizens -- Jose Padilla and Yaser Esam Hamdi -- since 2002, without benefit of trials, legal counsel or any opportunity to challenge the evidence against them. Even die-hard Tories Scalia and Rehnquist recently judged such executive hauteur intolerable.

It would be silly, of course, to overstate the parallels between 1776 and 2004. The signers of the declaration were colonial subjects of a man they had come to see as a foreign king. One of their major grievances had to do with the tax burden imposed on them to support the king's wars. In contrast, our taxes have been reduced -- especially for those who need the money least -- and the huge costs of war sloughed off to our children and grandchildren.

Nor would it be tactful to press the analogy between our George II and their George III, of whom the British historian John Richard Green wrote: "He had a smaller mind than any English king before him save James II."

But the parallels are there, and undeniable. "He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power," the declaration said of George III, and today the military is indulgently allowed to investigate its own crimes in Iraq.

George III "obstructed the Administration of Justice." Our George II has sought to evade judicial review by hiding detainees away in Guantanamo, and has steadfastly resisted the use of the Alien Tort Claims Act, which allows non-U.S. citizens to bring charges of human rights violations to U.S. courts.

The signers further indicted their erstwhile monarch for "taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments." The Bush administration has been trying its best to establish a modern equivalent to the divine right of kings, with legal memorandums asserting that George II's "inherent" powers allow him to ignore federal laws prohibiting torture and war crimes.

Then there is the declaration's boldest and most sweeping indictment of all, condemning George III for "transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation." Translate "mercenaries" into contract workers and proxy armies (remember the bloodthirsty, misogynist Northern Alliance?), and translate that last long phrase into Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib.

But it is the final sentence of the declaration that deserves the closest study: "And for the support of this Declaration ... we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor." Today, those who believe that the war on terror requires the sacrifice of our liberties like to argue that "the Constitution is not a suicide pact." In a sense, however, the Declaration of Independence was precisely that.

By signing Jefferson's text, the signers of the declaration were putting their lives on the line. Britain was then the world's greatest military power, against which a bunch of provincial farmers had little chance of prevailing. Benjamin Franklin wasn't kidding around with his quip about hanging together or hanging separately. If the rebel American militias were beaten on the battlefield, their ringleaders could expect to be hanged as traitors.

They signed anyway, thereby stating to the world that there is something worth more than life, and that is liberty. Thanks to their courage, we do not have to risk death to preserve the liberties they bequeathed us. All we have to do is vote.

© 2004 Star Tribune.

I'm awaiting the day that big brat Georgie, King of Nowhere to throw a fit in front of the cameras instead of storming off. Then the media can replay itover and over again and ruin him for good while showing the world his true nature. The article about GW's Black Holes in his chart on Maya Del Mar's site talks about how he just sucks everything dry. Even the whole dynasty of Bushies is disgraced by this clown, they must be so embarrassed by now. Tee Hee.

Fiore is right on as usual, forwarded this
to all of your friends who think electronic
voting is a good for the country...

http://www.sfgate.com/comics/fiore/

The Deserter's service records were inadvertently destroyed, isn't that sad???? Here's something from Mark Krueger re: the Kerry/ Edwards relationship: Kerry - Full Mooner in Sagittarius and Gemini. Uranus, Mars, Moon and Saturn in Gemini opposed to Sun in Sagittarius. He thinks waaaay too much and is his own worst enemy. There's some significant lies that will surface for this guy. He has more enemies than he knows. Certainly he has the energy for the campaign and office but I see him undermining himself. He is a man of destiny and is aligned with America's destiny. He offers some genuine change, good ideas and statesmanship. The money thing will hang him more than W. In the end he'll play ketchup.

Edwards - Another Gemini filled feller. Jupiter, Moon, Sun, Mars in that sign. Born about a day before the New Moon. He's brilliant and quick, facile and fair. He's on the ticket for female appeal. He'll be skewered for his lawyering and youth. Surprisingly he lacks a certain perspective. He also thinks too much but is truly eloquent. He has more friends than he realizes and will be seen as trustworthy. I think he's a genius that is going to move beyond the political arena. The fates await him.

Kerry/Edwards duo - They are Castor and Pollux, the Twins. They share an archetypal story of a fallen "brother". In Edwards case his son died in a car crash and Edwards switched to politics. Likewise, Kerry became politicized in 'Nam when he was shattered by a buddy's death in the war. There's a great deal of grief in these fellas. I actually see that they've processed a fair amount of it. Nevertheless, they still carry a load. Kerry has embedded guilt that plays into his self undermining patterns. Edwards is well supported in all ways by his wife. He can say the right things at the right time. Squeeze the charmin'. He needs some more years under his belt to fill the archetype. I'm not sure that he has the stomach for the game. He's too creative. K and E don't like each other but they'll quickly get over it and actually become friends. They will offer W and Halliburton a run for the money. What are they running for? More money. What about our money?

Outcome: The Fates are with Bush. He's the Millennial Fuck Up Guy. His constitution is stronger than the Constitution. Bad things happen to good people who elect an evildoer. After the election, K and E will be much more effective in whatever work they may be doing. Their best days are ahead of them. How about a better form of government dudes?

vote for your choice of president!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5388317/
(poll on the right)

Well, now... one has to be somewhat impressed by druggie/drunkie AWOL/deserter illegal buschie's sterling rez qualities/qualifications as baseball team part-owner. The Kerry/Edwards team will have to work pretty darned hard to play catch-up with this! ;O) http://www.nytimes.com/top/news/washington/campaign2004/candidates/georgewbush/index.html?inline=nyt-per-pol

Oh, & for additional insight on the war-rez's qualifications... http://www.sevensheaven.nl/art_14.htm

I was listening to a local radio talkshow this a.m. and the guest was Michael Badnarik, the Libertarian party's presidential candidate. Does anyone have a feel on any effect the Libertarians will have on the presidential election? Will they siphon off votes from either candidate?

Peg, is Mark Krueger an astrologer? Since he's giving such certain opinions, it sounds like he's filling in the astrological blueprints with intuitive/psychic feelings.

my understanding is that the greeks only looked at 'hard' aspects believing that challenge was the key to development. in this case, there is an interplay between the person and the chart/transits.

Heck yea, it's totally a multiple-pathway of choice.

I've said this many times and will say it again. Bush's southnode is conjuncted exactitude (that's as exact as it gets) by transiting south node on election day 2004.

What that means (from the multiples I see) is that he'll either be put down in a historical defeat of huge proportions (not ev wise, but in terms of history); that the election would be held 'in his honor', which seems less likely now; or that Bush would win the election through default-- either it's not held, or it's won through some sort of underhanded tactics.

I want to look at those eclipses too.

Opps, i got that backwards, it's Bush's southnode conjuncted by transiting Pluto. It's a big difference, and the way it is means that it's more likely that it's happening 'to him' karmically; whereas the way i first posted it, is more 'from his actions'.

Birds of the same feather-shrub and musharaf of
pakistan-are back together, conniving some lowest
level plots for their own survival-namely,shrub has demanded of his rogue paki pal to bait a BIG
fish of the al quida pond during Democratic convention on first 3 days-July 26/27/28 to pre
empt their headlines with crook shrus's own conniving plots.Also, mushraf is the only dictator
who wants shrub to win in Nov., since he will be put on a leash by Kerry and the Democrats and his
nefarious/villanous activities will be under check
and control under vigilance. So WATCH out for these TWO biggest rotten crooks to try to pull off
DIRTY deeds in the last week of July 2004.

I had a dream last night that I was watching the election returns and all the states were blue. All of them. The anchor was shocked and awed by all the blue. I should have turned the station to Fox News in my dream to see what their response was!! lol

So all day today I have found myself concentrating on the very Blue United States. I will do that every day until election day.

Interesting Buzzflash article today on the book entitled The Fourth Turning. Here's an excerpt from a review of the book:

""The Fourth Turning: An American Prophecy"
By William Strauss and Neil Howe

A Review by Thom Hartmann

---> GET YOUR COPY HERE <---

What is perhaps most relevant and impressive about this book is that the first edition was published in 1997, meaning it was written in 1995/6. Nearly ten years ago, in a book about how every four generations (roughly 80 years) history repeats itself, the authors had the prescience to write:

"The next Fourth Turning is due to begin shortly after the new millennium. Around the year 2005, a sudden spark will catalyze a Crisis mood. Remnants of the old social order will disintegrate. Political and economic trust will implode. Real hardship will beset the land, with severe distress that could involve questions of class, race, nation, and empire. Yet this time of trouble will bring seeds of social rebirth. Americans will share a regret about recent mistakes -- and a resolute new consensus about what to do. The very survival of the nation will feel at stake. Sometime before the year 2025, America will pass through a great gate in history, commensurate with the American Revolution, Civil War, and twin emergencies of the Great Depression and World War II.

"The risk of catastrophe will be very high. The nation could erupt into insurrection or civil violence, crack up geographically, or succumb to authoritarian rule. If there is a war, it is likely to be one of maximum risk and efforts -- in other words, a total war.

...

"

A fine prescient dream, Laurie. Thank you very much for writing it out. ;O)

Sharon, yes, I'd say he's both, and quite a smartass too, but he's very grounded & I get a big kick out of his site: http://www.in2light.com/planetvision.html

could Haliburton be ripping off taxpayers???

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=8076

damn right they are.....

oh Heavens, can it be true? FAUX "News" reaping their karma?

http://www.commondreams.org/news2004/0709-06.htm

oh, what a great week this has been....

Peg, I like his way with words but how accurate has he been? I don't like his reference to the Fates being with Bush...Also, the references to Kerry having lies that will surface (I know all that Gemini can give him a hard time "sticking" to one set of facts but he IS a Sag with a Scorpio Venus).

And I love Laurie's dream. Sometimes, I picture the earth enclosed by loving hands and a soft but brilliant white light. Why not picture the U.S. a beautiful shade of brilliant, glowing blue? Let's do it! Let's make Pallas's prediction of a Kerry-Edwards landslide come true. Shall we email everyone we know to meditate on that?

Let's do it.

Light a candle for a blue America.
http://www.gratefulness.org/index.htm

Namaste~
~D

Sharon Katz, yes, think blue! Let everyone know to see the states very very blue. We have the power!

Radiant Blue! I lit a candle to that visualization & realization!! Namaste. ;O)

* The first great decision of the Kerry presidency
Five things about John Edwards that send a chill down Karl Rove's spine

The choice of John Edwards as No. 2 on the Democratic ticket is the first great decision of the Kerry presidency--a mature, self-confident choice that bodes well for the Kerry campaign as it kicks into high gear. Instead of picking a running mate who had the strongest resume on paper, Kerry picked the one who had the strongest vision for the country--a vision that can help Kerry bring heart and soul back to American politics.

Judging by the hysterical reaction of the GOP, there are many things about John Edwards sending a cold shiver down Karl Rove's reptilian spine. Here are five: ... http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=17251

From now until election day, I'm not wearing any more red! I'm going to try to wear blue as much as possible! If I can manage it, maybe ONLY blue.

AP: Iraq Insurgency Larger Than Thought
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- Contrary to US govt claims, the insurgency in Iraq is led by well-armed Sunnis angry about losing power, not foreign fighters, & is far larger than previously thot, American military officials say.

The officials told The Associated Press the guerrillas can call on loyalists to boost their forces to as high as 20,000 & have enough popular support among nationalist Iraqis angered by the presence of US troops that they cannot be militarily defeated. ... con't http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/international/AP-Iraq-Insurgency.html

A flat out statement: "...they cannot be militarily defeated."

* The Mother of All Anti-War Forces

By Naomi Klein, AlterNet. Posted July 9, 2004.

The bush regime's talk of moral clarity falls dumb before the grief of those who have lost children in Iraq.

There is a remarkable scene in Fahrenheit 9/11 when Lila Lipscomb talks with an anti-war activist outside the WH about the death of her 26 y/o son in Iraq. A pro-war passerby doesn't like what she overhears & announces, "This is all staged!"
Ms Lipscomb turns to the woman, her voice shaking with rage, & says: "My son is not a stage. He was killed in Karbala, Apr 2. It is not a stage. My son is dead." Then she walks away & wails, "I need my son."

Watching Ms Lipscomb doubled over in pain on the WH lawn, I was reminded of other mothers who have taken the loss of their children to the seat of power & changed the fate of wars. During Argentina's dirty war, a group of women whose children had been disappeared by the military regime gathered every Thur in front of the presidential palace in Buenos Aires. At a time when all public protest was banned, they would walk silently in circles, wearing white headscarves and carrying photos of their missing children.

The Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo revolutionized human-rights activism by transforming maternal grief from a cause for pity into an unstoppable political force. The generals couldn't attack the mothers openly, so they launched fierce covert operations against their organization. But the mothers kept walking, playing a significant role in the dictatorship's eventual collapse. ...

...Fury is an entirely appropriate response to a system that sends young people to kill other young people in a war that never should have been waged. Yet the American right is forever trying to pathologize anger as something menacing and abnormal, dismissing war opponents as hateful and, the latest slur, "wild-eyed." This is much harder to do when victims of wars begin to speak for themselves: No one questions the wildness in the eyes of a mother or father who has just lost a son or daughter, or the fury of a soldier who knows that he is being asked to kill and die needlessly.

Many Iraqis who have lost loved ones to foreign aggression have responded by resisting the occupation. Now, victims are starting to organize themselves inside the countries that are waging the war. First it was the 9/11 Families for Peaceful Tomorrows, which speaks out against any attempt by the bush [regime] to use the deaths of their family members in the WTC to justify further killings of civilians. Military Families Speak Out has sent delegations of vets and parents of soldiers to Iraq, while Nadia McCaffrey is planning to form an organization of mothers who have lost children in Iraq.

US elections always seem to swing on some parental demographic or other: Last time it was soccer moms, this time it is supposed to be NASCAR dads. But on Sunday, NASCAR car-racing champion Dale Earnhardt said that he had taken his buddies to see Fahrenheit 9/11 and that "It's a good thing as an American to go see." It seems as if there may be another demographic that swings this election: not soccer moms or NASCAR dads but the parents of victims of war. They don't have the numbers to change the outcome in swing states, but they might just change something more powerful: the hearts and minds of Americans. http://www.alternet.org/story/19191/

Host a House Party to Take on Fox News

http://www.commoncause.org/news/default.cfm?ArtID=355

* What if Kerry had Chosen Jesus? It took exactly one day for the media to focus more negative attn on John Edwards than they had focused on [The Dick] cheney in 4 years. http://tvnewslies.org/html/what_if_kerry_chose_jesus_.html

They've already showed us! Ck out Mel Brooks' snuff film, "The Passion." First, the pornopuritan fascists wld have sent Jesus to Abu Ghraib for "softening up."

bush/cheney are going to have an extremely hard time tapping dancing better than kerry/edwards gemini-laden peter pan energy ticket. edwards jupiter/moon conjunct will charm the jewelry off his admiring crowds--bush will come off as the true, boorish dullard that he is-the negative cancer energy and the heavy taurus (placements) lead footed cheney will wither under all this gemini fun!! america needs a bit of fun in their leaders--even if it is all dog and pony show--americans are weary of terror alerts and incoherent,lying leadership--the john-johns will be a breath of fresh gemini air!!! we need to BREATHE AGAIN!!! It will be impossible to rein edwards charm in, he is a natural and he just loves to talk!

* Kerry's Celebrity Fund-Raiser Is a Huge Bash http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/09/politics/campaign/09kerry.html?position=&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=print&adxnnlx=1089435760-FSGdFYK7q/WF4QLM9EP7lw

* Kerry, Edwards Draw Thousands in FL, Many Turned Away Because of Overflow Crowd. No Hanging Chads or Tom DeLay Brownshirts Seen Lurking About. http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/9102692.htm?ERIGHTS=-

What I'm about to ask is a question that no one has yet asked, but I'm going to aks it anyway because I'm an Aquarian and a politico and a pioneer, and I'm going to dare to speak what is on my mind. I have not yet seen a discussion of this issue, and I feel that even asking the question is a bold move given the state of our current political dialogue.

***

What if Bush loses? Who will the Republicans pick to run for president in 2008?

dave, they've cloned hitler

conscious intentionality update: the response of the republicans to edwards is amazing -- a terror alert (which few believe) and the kenny boy lay inditements shoved out there together to pull attention from this GREAT MOVE. just let edwards get warmed up. this guy is so smart. he won the SC primary by aligning with blacks very strongly, which no other white democrat (of national prominence) has done. clinton and gore were right-minded on race but kept it on the 'down low' during election season. edwards walks the walk. god bless john edwards.

i'd like to share something to focus our consciousness on: a massive network/cable tv boycott. i can't even watch news programs that i want to watch after f911. i get this awful feeling. c-span is great but the bad boys and girls on the network need to get the message.

i wrote michael moore's 'hey mike' mail box a letter saying that he should lead a television/cable boycott - pick a day each week that we ignore the media -- not tv news, just internet or print. make it explicit punishment for their impertenance. think about it and see how it feels. i think it would blow their minds and send the message that 51% and growing of us are going to mess up their ratings, advertising revenues, and their vastly pampered, blow dried, over paid life style until they behave like intelligent, responsible adults.

CHILDREN OF SATAN III
THE SEXUAL CONGRESS OF CULTURAL FASCISM

When Lyndon LaRouche launched his campaign to force the ouster of Cheney and the entire neo-con crowd from the Bush Administration in August 2002, the "conventional wisdom" among Democrats was that this was a futile, near-suicidal act. LaRouche ignored their advice, and produced a series of multimillion-copy campaign special reports, The Children of Satan, which exposed the neo-cons as the political descendants of fascist philosopher Leo Strauss, and exposed Dick Cheney as a Beast-Man, in the tradition of the Spanish Inquisition of Tomás de Torquemada, and the writings of Joseph de Maistre.

http://larouchein2004.net/pdfs/040614beast3.pdf
______________________________________________
______________________________________________

EXECUTIVE INTELLIGENCE REVIEW-July 9, 2004

"Dick Cheney's Imminent Political Crash Landing"
by Jeffrey Steinberg

Dick Cheney's "Go Fuck Yourself" flip-out at Senate Judiciary Committee ranking Democrat Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) in June 22 on the floor of the U.S. Senate, was but the most public display of the Vice President's mounting hysteria over accelerating pressure for his ouster from the 2004 Republican ticket. According to one Washington insider, Cheney's verbal assault was a premeditated act, calculated to send a sharp warning to Senate Republicans, who have made the Vice President's life miserable by throwing their support behind probes by the Intelligence and Armed Services Committees into pre-Iraq War intelligence fraud, Abu Ghraib torture, and other atrocities sanctioned by the White House in general, and the Vice President's Office in particular.

Cheney's Persecution Complex
Violation of Geneva Conventions
Cheney Factor and the Elections

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2004/3127cheney.html

Salon News
The Wimpiness of the Democrats
By Mary Jacoby

A Senate report conveniently blames the CIA, "Not Bush", for hyping the threat of WMD in Iraq -- Thanks to Democrats who allowed the GOP to mug them.
"On one of the signal debates of the 2004 presidential campaign -- whether Bush hyped intelligence to lead the nation into an unnecessary war against Iraq -- the Republicans may have already won an important battle.On
Friday, the Senate Intelligence Committee issues its much-anticipated report excoriating the nation's spy agencies for their dire -- and wrong -- conclusions about Iraq's weapons capabilities.The report shifts blame from the White House to beleaguered CIA Director George Tenet, whose resignation takes effect on Sunday. The Senate Democrats' fumble on the intelligence investigation could prove a costly error for Kerry's campaign. Whether they were too credulous or too passive, Democrats failed to advance their case, and now that the report is out, it is Republicans in the Senate who, at least for the moment, are
shaping the interpretation of the
volatile WMD issue. Kerry and Edwards (a member of the intelligence panel), must now fight to regain the political ground that their Senate colleagues have conspicuously ceded to the administration."

Worth reading-Get a day pass if not a subcriber

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/07/09/intelligence/index_np.html

* Breaking News 7/9/04 US News obtains all classified annexes to the Taguba report on Abu Ghraib http://www.usnews.com/usnews/usinfo/press/prison.htm

Dave, they'll probably run Jeb. Groan!

Mike, I cancelled by cable sub just a few weeks after 9-11. I don't like being brainwashed. I follow stuff in the print media and on the internet (thanks, Al).

Wow! Leave town for a very long week and the whole World goes crazy! Marlon Brando passes away, John Edwards is the VP pick, we're "warned" of more terror attacks and F9/11 continues to do amazing business despite the Right Wing Radio's attempts to discredit it. And, just so you know, in France the film opens 14 julliet (14 July) and the people I spoke with in Paris are really, really looking forward to seeing it. Maybe F9/11 will be an International Hit! Of course, once they learned I was an American (not difficult to do as I speak French with what is, to them, an obvious American accent), they became concerned that I liked Bush. But I assured them "oui, je suis americain, mais je déteste Bush" (yes, I'm an American, but I hate Bush) and everyone was suddenly my friend. :-) Am now returning to this wonderful website (I've missed y'all) and look forward to working through my jet lag by reading the new articles and many, many comments.

Jonathan

LOL@ Jonathon. (Je deteste Bush & je t'aime frites.) Welcome back! I let my daughter go to France to study (Lake Annecy)in 2002, before the war started, and Bush hatred was not full blown. She plans to return again next year & I hope she gets her wish. Sharon, re: Mark Krueger, I don't know about his accuracy per se, (I read him for his humor & perspective primarily). About the elections, I predict we have seen our last election. I've read where after the U.S. has it's social revolution, the country will be led by 5 area leaders, with the center of government to be in Omaha? I think it was. Pallas, I'm following along on the DU thread- it's a fun one!

JoannaOregon

Mel BROOKS would laugh out loud at the thought of
producing The Passion. It was Mel GIBSON.

Mike

For News, if you have satellite TV, watch BBC,
CBC, Deutche Wella, NOW on PBS Friday nights,
Frontline on PBS, and pratically anything on Link
TV, PBSU. There in nothing else worth watching.
Even Wayne Dryer says that if you want to preserve
your health "turn OFF the TV".

Mike, wv: that's an excellent idea; to boycott the networks by turning off the TV and refusing to purchase their ideology-mongering. I wholeheartedly support this plan.

However, I went one step further and turned off my TV permanently. This was early last year, in the run-up to war in Iraq. It seemed like every time I turned on the TV, there was Bush, hammering away about that we should invade Iraq, swiping his fist in the air with spit flying out of his mouth.

I got rid of him quickly. Maybe I could get a break on some other channel. More sensationalist news. Sirens screeching, sweaty people hovering over the microphone, blabbing and gesturing with their arms. What was the crisis? A mother duck and her ducklings had crossed the road.

I got up, and turned the TV off for good. It's now out in my garage.

Now, I get all my news on the Internet (and here, of course!). This time, I control what I want to read.

Please forgive me for saying " I toldya so" but
See what Pluto on your south node can do? if your name is dimson:

Sidney Blumenthal:" Washington, which was just weeks ago in the grip of neoconservative orthodoxy and absolute belief in Bush's inevitability and righteousness, is now in the throes of agonizing events and being ripped apart by investigations.

Things fall apart;
all that was hidden is revealed;
all sacred exposed as profane:
the military, loyal and lumbering, betrayed and embittered;
the general in the field, Lt. Gen. Sanchez, disgraced and cashiered;
and the most respected retired generals training their artillery on those who have ill-used the troops, still dying in the field;
[b] the intelligence agencies, a nautilus of chambers, abused and angry, its retired operatives plying their craft with the press corps, seeping dangerous truths;[/b]
the press, hesitatingly and wobbly, investigating its own falsehoods;
the neocons, publicly redoubling their passionate intensity, defending their hero and deceiver Chalabi, privately squabbling, anxiously awaiting the footsteps of FBI agents;
Colin Powell, once the most acclaimed man in America, embarked on an endless quest to restore his reputation, damaged above all by his failure of nerve;
everyone in the line of fire motioning toward the chain of command, spiraling upward and sideways, until the finger pointing in a phalanx is directed at the hollow crown."

TJG,
Dick Cheney as a Beast-Man, in the tradition of the Spanish Inquisition of Tomás de Torquemada-------What an insightful comparison!!!

http://tinyurl.com/3dmbe

Los Alamos Missing Secret Data

?wo computer-data storage devices containing classified research information are missing from the nuclear weapons laboratory at Los Alamos, N.M., officials there said yesterday.

"It's a very serious situation," said Kevin Roark, a spokesman for Los Alamos National Laboratory.

Mr. Roark would not specify the type of storage devices missing; they could be floppy disks, hard disks, memory cards or some other kind of removable storage mechanism. He also declined to specify what was on the missing devices or which part of the laboratory they disappeared from, except to say that it was part of Los Alamos's weapons physics division.

The laboratory discovered the loss Wednesday during an inventory taken to prepare for an experiment.

This is the third instance in which classified data have gone missing from Los Alamos in the last year, but the announcement this time was more dire in tone. In a statement, G. Peter Nanos, the laboratory's director, said the current situation "must be dealt with swiftly and decisively." He said that the laboratory was investigating and that "I intend to fully exercise my authority as director to hold those involved fully accountable, up to and including termination of employment, if appropriate."

In the meantime, laboratory employees who had access to the missing devices will be allowed to continue duties in their work areas, though only under escort. That new restriction affects fewer than 20 people, Mr. Roark said.

In the most recent earlier incident, in May, laboratory officials said that the missing devices did not contain nuclear weapons information and that they believed there was no actual loss of material.

"It was items slated for destruction,'' Mr. Roark said yesterday. But, he said, the missing devices this time contained data related to current experiments and had not been listed for destruction.

Jonathan,
While you were visiting France did you have the opportunity to see Swiss directors William Karels’s documentary Film "Le Monde Selon Bush". (The World According to Bush) While I was visiting France in June I saw the Karels documentary on French Public Television. I felt Karels’s film was an even more powerful and deeply cutting attack on GWB’s than Michael Moores F/911. I though Karel showed clearly how the 911 attacks gave Bush his “raison d’etre”. It was a sobering and relentless attack on the “clueless” GWB and the Bush family. I think in F/911 Michael Moore used his genius of humor to appeal to his target audience “Americans” but Karel’s cutting documentary used no humor or Moore type stunts but hit you in the face with heavyweight interviews. The film was so well received on TV that the film was allowed to move to public movie theaters by the end of the week. My wish would be that "Le Monde Selon Bush". be “allowed “ distribution in the US soon. . .but I won’t be holding my breath.

No, Hestia, I didn't catch that film, but will be keeping my eyes open for it to (perhaps?) make it's way onto TV5, which I have here in NYC. Definitely something to look forward to seeing!

Thanks for the tip.

Jonathan

Yo Pallas,
I've been following along that Plame indictments thread on DU and was wondering if you think the transiting Moon on 7/14 lining up opposite TPluto on dimson's SNode might be a trigger?

Jonathan, thanks for the tip regarding "Le Monde Selon Bush." I wonder if there is a DVD available somehow?

Timothy,

Le Monde Selon Bush was actually a film that Hestia mentioned. I WISH I had had that tip to give! But, alas, it wasn't me. I doubt there's a DVD available, though. But you can always Google it, you know? :-)

Jonthan

The World According to Bush...

http://au.news.yahoo.com/040623/11/p/plkt.html

If it shows in this country it will probably
be on Link TV out of San Francisco....

Saw an article on DU which states that Tom Daschle says the new terrorist threat briefing is very sobering and serious, so serious that he cannot believe anyone would use it for political purposes. I know a lot has been said about something happening before the election, and I remember that Sept/Oct was mentioned on this site as a vulnerable time. My question to Sally, Nancy, Vis, Isabelle, Pallas (if any of you feel it is wise to address this issue at all that is) is: If terrorists were to try something, what would be some likely time(s) and place(s)? I know a lot of us conjecture that this could be staged as a reason to cancel the election and call for martial law. However, if Daschel is right, it could really be Al Qaida. Regardless of who it is, it might help to be forewarned. A terrorist attack could also trigger a financial crisis. I know that astrology is not meant to predict events with exactitude, and I don't mean to be a fear monger. If at all possible, though, I would like to be prepared and to hep others prepare.

Sharon, I just came across this.

http://www.anastrologersperspective.com/

Scroll down.

Yo Timothy,

I luv that...Yo...eh fuggedaboudit...kidding

It's late. I;ll take a look tomorrow at that moon
Pluto and try to look for Sharon also.

How is it that you've said nothing on the Plame thread Timothy?

I do think/feel they will attack, we have lots of
aspects coming for it..and I think it would be wise to be prepared from now until after the elections.

Sharon, you're right, to pinpoint would be difficult , but there are a numbe of transits

By the way, it came to me. The dark horse or the surprise some have talked about. If it does happen, let's say Cheney gets the heave ho - Dimson gets to pick a veep before he is impeached or indicted - and what would he do to keep the dynasty going? Put brother Jebby in as Veep, then
when he goes, the dimson family continues............

we ought to look at jeb's chart and see if we see anything there.

re: Waking dreams of Blue America

I think we should become the first political generation in history to delete the collective archetype currently known as George Bu$h from the timestream purely via intensive collective visualization.

Seriously, just sort of phase past this guy in your thoughts. Some key process words and phrases to actively exercise are remember, experience, perceive, recognize, challenge, demonstrate, associate, be conscious of, intuit, wonder, believe, realize and integrate.

Seriously, we had good results before right before Al Gore gave a very moving speech, I recall. All of the energy burning in the candles upstairs has to go somewhere.

Namaste~
~D

Dear Sharon,

It was nice of you to attribute "landslide of Kerry-Edwards" to me, but I didn;t say that.

Gosh I wish you all would remember that I did say
Bush was toast when Pluto came to his South Node and so was Cheney and Condosleeza - but I can;;t take credit for things I didn't say, nor do I see
at this time.

tomorrow.

I'm visualizing a large leg and foot kicking
dimson's ass out of the WH - really it just came to me...he was bent over and all I could see was
his arse and the leg and shoe kicking...but I'll take that anytime soon.

I'd be happier if I had seen his hands cuffed behind him, but just seeing him kicked out of the
WH is purty durn good.

I'm visualizing a large leg and foot kicking
dimson's ass out of the WH - really it just came to me...he was bent over and all I could see was
his arse and the leg and shoe kicking...but I'll take that anytime soon.

I'd be happier if I had seen his hands cuffed behind him, but just seeing him kicked out of the
WH is purty durn good.

I'm visualizing a large leg and foot kicking
dimson's ass out of the WH - really it just came to me...he was bent over and all I could see was
his arse and the leg and shoe kicking...but I'll take that anytime soon.

I'd be happier if I had seen his hands cuffed behind him, but just seeing him kicked out of the
WH is purty durn good.

http://tinyurl.com/36paj

Fla. Scraps Flawed Felon Voting List

And check out the reason:

Florida elections officials said Saturday they will not use a disputed list that was designed to keep felons from voting, acknowledging a flaw that could have allowed convicted Hispanic felons to cast ballots in November.

The glitch in a state that President Bush won by just 537 votes could have been significant — because of the state's sizable Cuban population, Hispanics in Florida have tended to vote Republican more than Hispanics nationally. The list had about 28,000 Democrats and around 9,500 Republicans, with most of the rest unaffiliated.

That was because when voters register in Florida, they can identify themselves as Hispanic. But the potential felons database has no Hispanic category, which excludes many people from the list if they put that as their race.

What a curious coincidence. Lots of "identifiable Democrats" on the list who shouldn't have been on the list -- but the search criteria for comparing lists of felons from the voting rolls omitted likely Republicans from the search.

More....

They're getting ready:

" . . . Ridge's department last week asked the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel to analyze what legal steps would be needed to permit the postponement of the election were an attack to take place."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5411741/site/newsweek/

Looks like McAwfully, the Clintonistas and Kerrians are firmly in control:

"An overwhelming 82% of Democrats think the war was a mistake, according to the latest USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll, taken June 21-23. But the document walks the same line as the party's presidential candidate, John Kerry. The Massachusetts senator voted to authorize the war but criticizes Bush's handling of it since then."

It's hard to admit you made a mistake (in voting for that war--which almost all of them did). It's very easy to override the conclusion of 82% of your party's membership. Hubris is an awesome thing, ain't it?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-07-05-democrat-platform_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA

This is a test. I'm trying to post and it keeps getting rejected... testing, 1, 2, 3

I love the kicking foot image, Pallas. Picture it wearing a blue sock & shoe! Vis was the one who proposed a landslide. I look forward to any new information that you can share. I'll bet some of the astrologers have a work in progress on the prospects of an attack v. martial law. I enjoyed Carrie Lever's site, Pat C (Peg & all of you would like it). She home page is very humorous. She has links to her tracking of terrorist attacks and posts her handwritten notes on calendar pages. She feels the Olympics to be vulnerable but hasn't gotten past Aug. yet. (I still have trouble posting so will do this in 2 shorter posts - see next one.)

As for me, I'm going to think BLUE and picture a Kerry-Edwards landslide. I lit a candle, Dommael. Here's an email I'm planning to send out to family & friends. Everyone, please offer suggestions. Is it too wordy? I don't want to overdo it and push people away. Thanks! (see next post.)

The Subject field says "Let's Turn American True Blue Again!"

Dear Family & Friends,

Some friends & I had a brilliant idea. Most of us recognize the power of visualization, prayer and meditation. I feel that America needs a change of leadership to one that is healthy, strong, wise and true. If you feel as I do -

Let's visualize the U.S. map in Blue -- a deep, rich, glowing, vibrant True Blue, united and cleansed of all negativity. Visualize all the states in your favorite shade of Blue. (If it helps, hang up a blue map or find a white one and color it blue!) Anchor that to your heart and soul. Let's turn America True Blue again, the color of modesty, loyalty, truth and wisdom, the color of the Democratic Party, the color of hard working people.

From now on, I plan to think Blue, a happy Blue, and wear as much Blue as possible.

Let's create a Kerry-Edwards Landslide! Forward this email to everyone you can think of!

Sharon that is wonderful! It's perfect the way it is! And it made me want to go out and buy a U.S. map and color it blue!! Thanks.

Laurie, you started us off! What a team! Go Blue Team!

Shylurker,

I'm not quite sure I, personally, agree with your use of the terms "Clintonistas and Kerrians". You make it sound as if these people are in some way evil when, in fact, Bill "Clintonista" gave us one of the greatest economies and most successful peace time expansions in History! And one simply cannot argue that the idiot occupying the Oval Office (or, at the very least, the comfy couch nearby) is better than either the "Clintonistas" or the "Kerrians", which I don't believe you're doing.

As for the votes, I would urge you to please look again at what it was Kerry and Sen. Clinton voted for. And the manner in which the vote was held. They voted for war when all diplomacy had been exhausted and an international coalition had been built. Bush ignored those provisions and went to war. They were not given the time to read anything before being forced to vote (any attempts to buy time in order to read were met with, in essence, accusations that they were terrorists and supported Osama) and were given, at best, ridiculously faulty information about what Sadaam had weapons-wise ... and denied the information on who the sources were. Had they known it was Chalabi, they never would've voted for it. Being lied to and humiliated publicly is never fun. But, remember, Republican Senators were lied to as well, voted for what is now an unpopular and increasingly unsuccessful war as well and now have to go back to their angry constituencies and explain themselves. Something I don't believe they appreciate have to do. And they more than likely resent being put in this position by Bush and his nasty little co-horts.

I still believe BelzeeBush is toast in November. I just hope he and his ilk are busted when they (attempt to) steal the election ... which they will try to do. No doubt about that.

Jonathan

Jonathan, "Clintonistas" is not a derogatory term. I have seen it used frequently and not in a perjorative way. "Kerrian" is something I used. Didn't mean to offend you.

When millions of people across the globe were marching against the war, and millions of us here were emailing, calling, etc., against that vote, they went ahead and voted in support anyway. Hindsight is grand. When it comes to leaders, however, I'm all for foresight.

Barbara Lee stood alone and took a lot of heat because of her position. She is a person of conscience (and her mentor is Ron Dellums, former Representative from my old district and a stellar human being if ever there was one).

You and I disagree, I think more on emphasis than basics. That's all--and that's healthy.

Shylurker,

Yeah, it's more on emphasis than basics. And mature, well-informed disagreement IS healthy. My Aries Sun, Leo Rising loves it!!!! :-)

Jonathan

You're a great guy, Jonathan. Just keep on doin' what you're doin'. And don't forget that post up there about their putting into motion steps that could lead to their derailing the only hope we've got right now--November 2nd.

Meanwhile, here's a keeper of a quote (if/when the Repugs want to run him for Prez):

"In my heart, I am — and will remain — an Austrian!" the daily quoted Schwarzenegger as saying.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/06/politics/main627627.shtml

Your statement, skylurker... "Hindsight is grand. When it comes to leaders, however, I'm all for foresight."... reminds me of a placard a dear friend has on her wall: "There they go!!! I must hurry to catch up for I am their leader." ;O)

Mother, baby attacked on Paris train after mistaken for Jews

By AFP

VERSAILLES, France - A young woman and her baby were attacked in a suburban train near Paris on Saturday by unidentified men who drew swastikas on her stomach with a pen in what police said was an anti-Semitic assault.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/449966.html

THOUGHTS ON THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION

Now that the November election is approaching, I'm pondering about the current cadre of policymakers in Washingon.

There has been an astral tidal wave mounting right outside their windows which prepared to sweep them out, due to the intense mental projections of millions.

Raw power simply was not enough to enable them to hang on to their positions. The world became inundated with spiritual vibrations of a new age. People stood up everywhere and demanded more of their leaders, more of life; a more spiritually centered life.

Buckminster Fuller, future visionary and inventor, said in the 1970's, "a time is coming when people do not need to be governed anymore."

THE POWER OF THE FEW

Never in the history of this country has our government been run by so few people. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush (only marginally), Wolfowitz, Rice (marginally), Powell (marginally), and a few others.

It became very clear when things started to go wrong in Iraq, when the looting of precious artefacts happened in the museums; it became clear to me that the entire policy for conducting war hinged on just one man: Donald Rumsfeld.

Of course, we all figured out that these historial, irreplaceable items meant nothing to him, so they were stolen. When everything started to fall apart, we realized that there was no committee making decisions, no input from opposing sources: it was all created by ONE MAN. Flawed, one-sided, and driven by ego.

When Turkey refused to give the US ground clearance, I cringed because I knew there would be hell to pay. All of Turkey had to live in fear, because of ONE MAN's vengeance, and Wolfowitz appeared later, furious and demanding retribution against them.

Remember the old Spiderman Comics? Spiderman had to fight off the lunatics who wanted world domination; even a foolish janitor wanted that esteemed spot. We laughed and put the comic away after we were done. Guess what? It happened.

As they prepare to pack their photos and mementos in cardboard boxes, I'm thinking about them. As they wipe the tears from their eyes, I'm reflecting: what has their legacy been?

As new history books are written, 200 years from now, what will the kids think, as they tro to pronounce the word, 'Rumsfeld' and 'Feith'. How will they be remembered?

This is how the history books will portray this era: an age of unprecedented power, concentrated in the hands of just a few. And that's the danger.

Beautiful words, Sharon K, that I will definitely share. Visualizing a blue America is a good way to contribute energy without getting into personal karma and specifics about the politics of all of this. Just visualize a bird's eye~view as a blue wave of energy washes across the country, cleaning and purifying the minds and hearts of the people and the land.

My mother sent me a DVD that she got for signing up for Pacifica Radio. It's called "Unraveling the Lying Liars of the Bush Dynasty" featuring Al Franken, Paul Krugman, Kevin Phillips and Amy Goodman. This was recorded a few months ago.

I noticed that all of the speakers were very frank about *ush (I'm going to start calling him that to delete him from the timeline) and his crimes but you got the sense watching it that there was no awareness among the public at large. Paul Krugman even nervously looked around and talked about "those of us that have figured this out."

This is a noticeable difference from now after Michael Moore's film put House of Saud on the collective mental table and all of the prosecutions are winding up into high gear. People are far more aware now ~ it's amazing what a few short weeks can change.

Namaste~
~D

Shyluker et al:

...Kerry's explantion of the vote.....

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/printer_071204Z.shtml

I stand corrected: thanks to Hestia for the tip on "Le Monde Selon Bush" and to wv for the link.

Pallas... haven't thought of anything substantial to add to that Plame thread on DU (I've only just started to go there). But I do find it quite interesting and will be paying close attention on the 14th.

I'm still waiting for something more profound than raygun's passing for that Saturn transit over the US Sun. The Plame indictments would certainly fit the bill. And now all the buzz about postponing or cancelling the elections...

Seems Sally and Nancy have been right on target about this strange summer...

enough to keep you reading well into the night..

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/

lots of goodies

Blue... washing, sweeping thru, bubbling up & over, effervescent, sparkling & Alive, ecstasy-energy, endless, creative... out of the USian states & boundling, rushing, dancing over the World!! ;O)

* Carlos Delgado on Deck - Blue Jays Slugger Stands Up Against War

Toronto Blue Jays 1st baseman Carlos Delgado is known thruout the baseball world as one of the most feared sluggers in the game. Last yr the 32 y/o All-Star hit 42 homers & drove in 145 runs. He has averaged almost 40 home runs a yr over the last 6 seasons. With his imposing physical frame, baldhead & gold earring he is one of the most recognizable faces in the game. Lately he has put the baseball world on notice that he will use his fame to fight the US's war on the world.

In a very sympathetic story on the pages of the Toronto Star, Delgado came public with the fact he won't stand on the dug out steps for God Bless America. "I never stay outside for `God Bless America,'" Delgado said. "I actually don't think people have noticed it. I don't (stand) because I don't believe it's right, I don't believe in the war."

Delgado also made clear that we won't stand for the priorities of the US military machine "It's a very terrible thing that happened on 9/11," he said. "It's (also) a terrible thing that happened in Afghanistan & Iraq. I just feel so sad for the families that lost relatives & loved ones in the war. But I think it's the stupidest war ever. Who are you fighting against? You're just getting ambushed now. We have more people dead now, after the war, than during the war. You've been looking for WMD. Where are they at? You've been looking for over a yr. Can't find them. I don't support that. I don't support what they do. I think it's just stupid."

Athletes have historically paid a steep price for standing up to the way sports is used to pkg patriotism/war. In the 1960s, Muhammad Ali was stripped of his heavyweight title for refusing to go to Viet Nam. In 1991 Bulls guard Craig Hodges found himself black balled from the NBA after protesting the Gulf War at a visit to geo bush's WH with the champion Chicago Bulls. A similar fate befell shooting guard Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf in 1998 when he refused to stand for the Natl Anthem.

Delgado doesn't care.

"Sometimes, you've just got to break the mold. You've got to push it a little bit or else you can't get anything done." Delgado fortunately is aided by both his superstar status & the fact he plays in Canada where the media is less likely to take orders from the Pentagon & slam the slugger. ... http://www.counterpunch.org/zirin07092004.html

In this article from Counterpunch...there
is no middleground in this situation.

http://www.counterpunch.org/

I really like those images, Joanna and Dommael. I just made myself a ntoe to find a U.S. map or even outline one myself, either on blue paper or color it blue! The color of our freedom!

Drudge just posted a headline about the Enron papers including request by The Hammer for funds to help in the TX redistricting effort. Hoo-boy!

I have no doubt of this...

* 'Al-Qaeda' is a Manufactured Intelligence Front http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/june2004/062504manufacturedfront.htm

***Plans to Cancel the Elections***

Read it and weep. An obscure appointee gets a bright idea about the authority needed to cancel the elections 'in case of terrorist attack.' He sends a memo to Ridge on the subject. Ridgo the Clown sends a memo to AshKKKroft on generating the needed legal authority (there is none in the constitution!). The link quotes an article by Michael Isakoff (Clinton's tormentor).

http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/04/07/ana04012.html

My spirit guide (Guido of Bayonne, NJ) suggested I share another psychic hotline. If Isakoff is exposing this, it means it's about time to say bye bye to Bush. Isakoff laks any journalistic integrity (Monicagate). The vibe I get is tha Bush is really over the line as in losing touch with reality. The corporate media is letting us know this because those who handle these things have decided to let out whatever it takes to remove Bush.

Yikes!!! I'm so stunned, I'm capatalizing (forgive me e.e.)

Good grief, Mike, I just had a channeling experience! The message:

"All is forgiven, Mike.

--Edward Estlin"

Hmmmmmm.

shylurker, hmmm...i like the forgiveness part. i'll think about 'edward estlin'. my ee referred to ee cummings. thank you for sharing this!!!

well, of course, its cummings full name (never bothered to go beyond the ee). well, i'll really ahve to think now, thanks again!!!

NAACP LEADER RIPS PRESIDENT BUSH

NAACP Chairman Julian Bond speaks at the group's 95th annual convention Sunday in Philadelphia.

~Bond urges group to boost voter turnout~

“They preach racial neutrality and practice racial division,” Bond said Sunday night in the 95th annual convention’s keynote address. “They’ve tried to patch the leaky economy and every other domestic problem with duct tape and plastic sheets. They write a new constitution of Iraq and they ignore the Constitution here at home.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5396536/

We have two full moons this month... the second on the 31st... don't they call that one a "blue moon" --- [so, Laurie and Sharon, even the planets support your "blue" motif! Uranus is reputed to have a "Blue Hue"]Prefer the color blue? Means you're peaceful, refined, and spiritual. Other key adjectives: trustworthy, reliable, non-threatening, serene, honest, dependable. Other "blue" things:

The House, The House of Blue Lights ---
Blues Clues; Blue Mountain dot com; 'out of the blue'; the wild 'blue yonder'; blue indigo children; blue bird of happiness; blue jays; Navy Blue Angels; Blue Cross; Blue Shield; Blue Note; Capitol Hill Blue; Blues Brothers; blue skies; Blue Bunny Ice Cream; Repugs new song: "I'm So Blue"; baby blue; Pepsi Blue; light blue; navy blue; Blue Ridge Mountains; cobalt blue; blue jeans; cordon bleu; bleu cheese; blue chip stocks; blue corn chips; Little Blue Crunchy Things; bluebonnet; blue grass; blue book; blue whales; true blue; Bear in the Big Blue House; blue lagoon; Bonnie Blue; blue roses; "a patch of blue"; blue light special; blue berries; blue collar workers; the blue revolution;

GUYS,

we are in very bad trouble. WE America. As someone posted above, they have announced they are
looking at postponing elections

On DU General Discussion thread Plame #6 we have a guy who worked on the impeachment of Clinton -constitutional lawyer - he erased the part where he told us they had a "holding place" for Clinton and were ( No wonder Gore gave up the Presidency)

We are in a constitutional crisis right NOW.

This is some of what he posted tonite:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5411741/site/newsweek/

July 19 issue - American counterterrorism officials, citing what they call "alarming" intelligence about a possible Qaeda strike inside the United States this fall, are reviewing a proposal that could allow for the postponement of the November presidential election in the event of such an attack, NEWSWEEK has learned......
-more-

His post:

I worked on all the legality's and knew first hand what the plans were for Gore. I have 8 yrs of Constitutional Law training.

This is the Fourth time the neocons have tried to grasp power illegally.

....The assassination attempt on Reagan. Bush his successor.

....The Impeachment of Clinton and subsequent removal of Gore.

....The stolen election. Stolen from Gore.

....Another stolen election waiting to happen.

52. Where the Bush WH feels inclined to float the idea of possibly canceling/suspending the election..Tells me, they feel threatened by the outpouring of support going to the new team on the block, Kerry/Edwards. When you think about it, they (Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rice, Rumsfeld and Asscroft) are a small contingent of cornered animals fighting for survival.

Any marching/demonstrating/protesting whatsoever, would be playing right into their hands no matter what the intentions were. The Bush WH is looking for an excuse, any excuse, to declare Martial Law. If they see even 10,000 people marching peacefully on Washington, they will send operatives to make them look like violent dissidents..

It's way too late for marching.

Now that the neocons have risen to power, they have no intentions of relinquishing control.

According to the fema rules, elections can be suspended indefinitely. To us the word *indefinitely* is (should be) unacceptable. To the Bush WH, indefinitely means *eternally*.

What do I think should be done?

I think a Federal Court order should be sought by members of the Senate ordering the safe removal(of the top SIX of the Executive Branch of government) sequestering them in an undisclosed location indefinitely until a comprehensive investigation can be completed..(If the House Managers were successful with Clinton's Impeachment, there were plans underway to remove AL GORE as well, because he was under investigation for receiving illegal campaign funds) Gore was to be suspended, until the outcome of a full investigation and trial was determined.

Pro-tem (acting) co-presidents should be appointed. Probably, Colin Powell and Hastert (with the aid of the last duly elected president, Clinton) until the appointment of a new attorney general and duly elected president can take over the WH.

There is enough evidence out there already existing that the Executive Branch has become a threat to national security

******* (AND THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT)
The SCOTUS ruled against Bush just a week ago, before their summer recess. Cheney had petitioned the SC to allow US citizens who *they* declared (the 100,000 mentioned above in your post) as enemy combatants incarceration without due process or access to legal counsel.

Whatever Bush's intentions are right now, they have *not* been given full authority by the SC court. They were sure, they would have the full legal authority to operate unhindered by the law by now.

It appears they are preparing to take the shot anyway. Without the law on their side, because in essence after martial law is declared, they ARE the law.

Citizens will be virtually helpless for a very long time. Many will die fighting for their lives and their freedom. Most will suffer irreparable harm for the rest of their lives, if swift, decisive, action isn't taken immediately to thwart the uncalled for, illegal onset of martial law.

In your rationale of this sentence:

"Bushies might not even dare to mess with the elections. Or if they did, they would have the entire nation against them."

See Tellurian post #67

Past history is an accurate predictor of future behaviors..

Bev Harris has all the bases covered on BBV election tampering. They already know it's a dead end and not a sure thing..

Martial Law is the only Trump card the Bush team have left to play.

Pallas, if I may.

I've been following the discussions on DU and I think the notion of a general strike (passe language, but then that's where I lived) is a good one. Of course, you have to time it right.

For the next 24 hours, I suggest we wait and see what our Democratic leaders are going to do with this. They have been awfully quiet. If they fail us on this one (as they've failed us several times in the recent past), we will have to take on the responsibility ourselves as they will have abrogated theirs.

Let us wait 24 hours.

Astrologers, please help us out here. This needs to be handled with as much knowledge and understanding as we can muster. Thank you.

Shylurker and all,

sorry, can you believe I am disconnected from my other ISP? Orwell.

I wanted to tell all something else he wrote and then removed. It was the reason I asked "how do you know this" and he wrote about what they had planned for Clinton and Gore, and then when I went back to copy and paste, it was gone.

"They had a "holding place" set up for Clinton and then were going to go after Gore impeachment on
the grounds of his illegal contributions. They were not going to allow him to be president even temporatily when they got rid of Clinton. In the meantime until they had tried him....

no wonder he let go of the Presidency when they stole it from him and told no one to object.

I can't tell you how upset I am. We are IN the
Constituional Crisis right now. If we march he declares "martial law" and he becomes the law plus he has those concentration camps and the "contractors" set up for a march. If we do nothing he's Dictator until Jeb takes over.

This is so serious. There's one hope. And I'm not going to say what it is.

Sally and Shylurker,

I'm sorry to let you down tonite, but I can't do a chart on this right now...

Maybe Sally can look at this more dispassionately.

The August RNC convention would be a time he might declare martial law if the protestors go on as they
have planned...and I dont see a way to stop them.
It's a play right into his hands. It gives him the excuse to call them "enenies" violent, whatever and to declare martial law.

If he disbands congress or arrests them, which I think is possible in his craziness, we're a dictatorship.

Pallas, the hope is always the people.

During this past July 4th, I sat sleeplessly seething, with the kitty in the farthest recesses of the most remote closet, as firecrackers and other explosives were lit up for entertainment.

At that time, I peevishly wished that no one could buy 4th of July explosives unless they could answer three or four basic questions on the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Pallas, we must always struggle. Are the people willing to struggle now? Are they willing to say "Hell, no!"? I don't know.

I think the essential thing at this moment is how to involve the people in this struggle which is life-or-death, but I fear they do not recognize that.

So, concentrate on that while we wait for 24 hours to see if the Democrats have the cajones to deal with this frightening possibility.

Astrologers, can you please enlighten us? Thank you.

great post pallas18 and shylurker:

here are some reasons for hope. i posted the delayed elections post and i should have given a 'fair & balanced' assessment.

reasons why these clowns will not be able to pull off delaying the elections & imposing martial law:

1. they can't buy a vowel - look at iraq. they really wanted that to work. they are morons. they had the whole country handed to them but they forgot post-victory security. if they'd had that in place, the iraqis would have been much happier. they blow just about everything they try.
2. the forces to pull this off start with the armed forces. the neocons are hated by the generals and, for the first time in memory, the democrats are polling with some strength among the troops. will the generals completely ruin the reputation of the military in this country (and the world) forever for rummy and the neocons? will the troops, what few there are to do this, salute and march smartly to supress their relatives?
3. nearly 200 city councils have passed resolutions opposing the patriot act. will the police in those cities roll out to supress the citizens?
4. how would this impact the economy? gee, i think the movers and shakers on wall street might find this highly objectionable. it would ruin the economy for a good while. who would want to trade with us?
5. the right-wing gun folks/militias are sending out notices to stock up in case of just this sort of event. would they just sit by? a variant of this is found in the philosophical conservatives (who the gun guys elect) who, with the liberal democrats, tried to strongly limit the patriot act a few days ago. they're very pissed off at the tricky tactics the repug leaders used to beat them back.

the mess such a move would cause is incalculable! unfortunately, bushco is in a state of panic. if they lose the elections, they face *at the very least* an attorney general who will investigate all sorts of things. if the senate goes democrat also (and it looks like it will), you've got congressional investigations on top of the justice department.

would bushco trash the economy, democracy, and our place in the world just to avoid the serious legal problems they face if they lose the election? YOU BET THEY WOULD.

i still maintain that they'll be so weak by election day that it will be even less possible than it is now to pull off such a stunt. reasoning like this allows me to get to sleep at night. i also think it's accurate.

Horary Question

Can Kerry & Edwards overcome the Bush plan for stealing the election?

1:25 AM EST 7/12/04 Boca Raton, Florida

Astrologers unite! We have a serious problem. I have a feeling that this was coming, and now it's here. There is no constitutional authority for cancelling an election. None. Period.

We have to beginning prepping people for a revolution if they try to stop us from voting. We need to make the case to people that they should be willing to die for their right to vote. Our nation's founders felt this way, and billions of people around the world would give everything if it would allow them to live in under representative government.

We cannot let our democracy slip quietly into the night.

Moon Void of Course

Unexpected outcome

Maybe all our letters will have an effect

I love you Mike, you know that. What bugs me, buddy, is that they are perfectly aware that they are "so weak", and that's why they are trying to make sure (another attack by the "terrists" followed by indefinite suspension of the elections) that those elections won't occur.

Astrologers, please help!

Dave, Yes! We must educate people. Calling a general strike (or whatever appelation you give it) will not work unless the people are educated. And the people have been tv-droned and -droned and -droned.

Astrologers, please help us. Thnx!

Mike,

I love what you wrote. Except. I also thought that with the army over in Iraq they wouldn't have the troops here at home for marital law.
Wrong.They do. State Guard.

Remember my G8 vacation article? Those guys were no jokes. I found pics by googling G8 + Savannah which showed some of what I was talking about. It's called the Miami'Model. They have it ready for Boston and NY. And don't you kid yourself about the police force in this country.And they have contractors here now. I didn't know that when Bush came in he asked for a private police force "of contractors" and was turned down.

If you remember Kent State it was just such kids in the State guard who shot the college kids.

If they do declare martial law, our streets will also look like Iraq with many fighting guerilla style, while innocent citizens are tossed in camps
which they already have, or shot.

And a piece of the puzzle came together. REmember
the kid who shot Reagan. When this guy wrote that
about the attempted coup something came back to me
that I had read a long time ago and thought was ridiculous.

John Hinckley Jr (who shot reagan)was a friend of the dimson family and had had dinner with them that week.

Manchurian candidate.

Moon void of course....nothing .....as in nothing to worry about.

with Uranus inconjunct 150 degrees to Pluto, these
discoveries are most uncomfortable for me...
really shocking and upsetting.

None of this should be any surprise. Fox News floated the idea of cancelling the elections back in January. The Repugs have been planning this for a LONG time.

Ann

In Horary, when the Moon is V/C the accepted delineation is "one can not tell the outcome - an
unexpected outcome" as when the idiot started the war on a moon v/c .

But if you want to use "Nothing will come of it"
that aint so good either cause the question was
"Horary Question

Can Kerry & Edwards overcome the Bush plan for stealing the election?

1:25 AM EST 7/12/04 Boca Raton, Florida

nevertheless, the moon v/c chart can still be read
as we did with the war chart.

Well... I'm still at a loss how a handfull of madboyz shld have absolute power over the tens of millions of the rest of us. Will the madboyz send out the militia? What militia? There ain't much soldier boyz or reservists left around in this country. What's left might balk real hard. It's no trick (pun} to keep in mind that neptune's fog of illusion/fear plays a very heavy part in the nasty *uschie-drama. I'm not saying there's no danger or crisis here, but losing one's "head" sure ain't a help. If the *uschies were fairly well supported in the US, they wldn't try to go to such very extreme measures... no, indeedy. In fact, they have no support in the whole wide World... a World that rather... um, detests *ushies. Besides that, it wld be far better to remember the END of fascist hitler awa its rise to "power." It ended rather badly, if I recall correctly.

JoannaO, they have contracted for mercenaries. I can't verify this, but on the DU thread they are saying there are many hundreds of thousands of mercenaries. I hope you can dispute this.

The late news says that the change in the date or time of the election could require a constitutional amendment, changes to all voting rules of the cities and counties throughout the U.S. and that is not possible at this time.

The Spanish People made the fascists of their jiggered election stand down. Are we unable to do same?! There're countless wonderful People in THIS country, too. The pink boyz account for only 39+% of the population & only a percentage of them are freeper/fascist. That's not a majority. I may be out of line here, but them odds ain't good at all. I sure wldn't gamble on such odds... the *ushies might but, then, they're crazy & not stable. They're the culmination of decades of secret filthy work... pluto's doing its leveling transformative job on them... not just the People imo.

This was posted a while back~Why is it we never seem to learn from history

First They Came for the Jews
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

Pastor Martin Niemöller

Ummmm... I never did like that story of "Chicken Little" & "The Sky Is Falling." Far be it for me to gainsay those that do.

If the worst comes to pass, sounds like there'll be plenty of guns around to provoke, thank the Goddess. I will not "live" in a world defined & remade by a crazy stupid pink-supremacist *ushie.

* Complete Transcript of Interview with the Democratic Candidates

Published: July 10, 2004

ollowing is an interview on Friday with Senator John Kerry of MA and Senator John Edwards of NC aboard Mr Kerry's campaign plane, on a flight from Beaver PA, to Albuquerque. ... http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/10/politics/campaign/11TEXT.html

* The New American Century
by ARUNDHATI ROY

[from the February 9, 2004 issue]

In Jan 2003 thousands of us from across the world gathered in Porto Alegre in Brazil & declared--reiterated--that "Another World Is Possible." A few thousand miles north, in Wash, gwbush & his aides were thinking the same thing.

Our project was the World Social Forum. Theirs--to further what many call the Project for the New American Century. ... http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20040209&s=roy

(LOL) take that Bush.

Ron Reagan will address the Democratic Convention (aahhh, no caps) in boston. he spoke to kerry and was asked to talk about stem cell research. he declined an invite to the republican convention for an event honoring his father. will nancy attend?

here is the link. they must be throwing up at 1600 pennsylvania!!!

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/special_packages/election2004/9132302.htm?ERIGHTS=2233685495361240621philly::drgreelis@aol.com&KRD_RM=7oqvsswupooovvnpotnnnnnnnn|Michael|Y&is_rd=Y

* Edwards' triumphant return

John Edwards made a triumphant return to his hometown Sat, as he & Dem prez candidate John Kerry promised to help the pinched middle class at home & to restore respect for America abroad. Appearing before a crowd est at 15,000 on a grassy quad at NC State U., the Kerry-Edwards ticket finished a 4-day cross-country tour in which Kerry introduced the NC senator as his vice presidential running mate. ... con't http://www.newsobserver.com/politics/politicians/edwards/eyeonedwards/series/story/1416807p-7540776c.html

Well, Friends, It has been done Rudy Guliani postponed NYC elections against all adivce after 9/11. I knew then it was a just a try out for the Big Postment to come.BJT

I hope while everyone is worried, they are also letting their congresscritters, senators, and all elected officials know how they feel. With this group, my guess is many of you already have.

The rule of thumb is for every single letter ( snail mail is the best ) phone call, or fax they receive a percentage is calculated. So your input CAN make a difference. Email for many members lands in a different category, often not as significant as the other three above. So type out those letters, print, and slap a breast cancer stamp on them :)

You don't have to be powerless or afraid unless you choose to. Each of us holds a key to the future. You can open doors of your choice or allow someone else to. Methinks many of us here have better intentions than the current admin does. And nothing helps alleviate fear better than action.

an important read....

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/printer_071204A.shtml

Nah... I think that important read cld've been written by rove & is a classic "mind-f**k." For example, the "wild cards," according to the writer's "wisdom," are not so "wild" after all but very determinable. And I don't accept the notion of having snotty lil "rulers" about which I can do nothing. I do have, however, & unfortunately, arrogant, criminal, out-of-control, in-need-of-firing, public servants. But the Oregon reps are pretty good... much better than the ones I had in Oklahoma.

"The clearest way into the Universe is through a forest wilderness." – John Muir (1838-1914);
“The future is inevitable and precise, but it may not occur. God lurks in the gaps.” - Jorge Luis Borges

At the moment I have a lot of drama/trauma going on in my own little "world" --- one or two others on this board do also. One thing I know: One has to remain calm and resolute, handle the situation one piece at the time and be reconciled to the outcome. The same holds true for the "bigger world" --- I drove to northern part of my state this past weekend, on I-95 which is heavily traffic'd by folks from several states... I'm seeing the same thing I have reported for some time now... NO Bush bumper stickers and several "Kerry - President" stickers and some posters inside the vehicle in the corner... South Carolina has been strong Repug country... I don't see it this time... I've seen only one Bush sticker in our heavily predominant Repug town... I do not believe there is the support out there they claim they have... there base is NOT 39% core... that is a fallacy... Robert Novak said a few weeks back that part of the core (19%) was disaffected with Bush administration.

Martial law is NOT their only trump, and it is not a very good one. These snakes rely on devious underhanded work. I fear more for Kerry's life, Edwards' life, than I did postponement of the election. They "read" us -- know we expect them to postpone the election or call out militia... they are using that, just like the friggin colored alerts to intimidate, to frighten. If thoughtful, intelligent folks like those on this board are being intimidated, then the masses don't have a prayer. Please, don't 'draw' these events to us --- NEGATE them with thought, visualization, prayer or whatever, but don't bring up their manifestation!

There is absolutely nothing they can dish out that we can't counter. They failed in Iraq because they realized they can't carpet bomb the countryside. 'Course, if they get elected, they may choose to do just that. Pallas, the force you saw in Savannah came from outside Savannah. If they attempt to impose martial law, they will have to cover this entire country. I don't care how many mercenaries they have, they can't do it. They couldn't do it in Iraq, a country the size of California, with 140,000 American troops and goodness knows how many mercenaries. As frightening as that sight must have been for you, remember that they can't amass that huge a force throughout the country. They might be able to bring about a civil war in this country... but not if we remain resolute and in communication with our family and friends. Think blue... blue. Or even purple, which is UNION between the reds and blues...

Namaste

Little Grandmother Spider & the big snake in the WH?!? ;O) http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&e=2&u=/nm/odd_china_spider_dc

w.v.
thanks for the post, i too think it is a very important read,the right behaves like bullies, to win at any cost, and they act accordingly from many different directions to create that reality.
there is such a different mindset...we may be more evolved but with this system "winner takes all". the right has had a long time to plan.
the churches are helping their young people register to vote, they will have buses. we need to do the same ..so many people don't know what to do and are embarrassed to ask.

* Fury over Pentagon cell that briefed WH on Iraq's 'imaginary' al-Qaeda links

A Sr Pentagon policy maker created an unofficial "Iraqi intelligence cell" in the summer of 2002 to circumvent the CIA & secretly brief the WH on links between Hussein & al-Qa'eda, according to the Senate intelligence committee.

The allegations about Douglas Feith, the #3 at the Dept of Defence, are made in a supplementary annexe of the committee's review of the intelligence leading to war in Iraq, released on Fri. According to dramatic testimony contained in the annexe, Mr feith's cell undermined the credibility of CIA judgments on Iraq's alleged al-Qa'eda links within the highest levels of the bush [regime]. ... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07/11/wsept11.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/07/11/ixnewstop.html

* Capitol Hill Blue: cheney Faces Criminal Indictments; Other Illegal Actions Raise Warning Flags at WH http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4799.shtml

I was just watching Faux News and they had the federal election commissioner on and she was saying that indeed they expect some kind of terrorist attack during the run up to election and that as a result plans were being formulated to cancel the elections should such an attack occur.

Ijust watched a black man who said he was the
Commissioner of Elections, on MSNBC, and he said
the elections can't be changed.

Then another man got on, and said The Congress can change the date of the elections.

Disinformation..

WH likes to keep em confused.

I've been e mailed from Canada...they're worried
about the news of postponing elections in the US
and are raring to get on buses, come down and join us, if it happens.

Que incredible.

I bet other countries are in an uproar also.

Anyway, we have a letter writing and calling congress campaign going on over there. Apparently it's had some success, cause Condosleeza got on tv and said she didnt know where this rumor was coming from and there will be no postponing elections".

hee hee. Waaal, Ms Rice, that guy Ridge of FEMA and Homeland Security stood up on television and announced it for two days. Where were you?

I think they got the message that the populace is
in an uproar about their canceling elections.
But the calls to Congress have to continue, it's time they knew we're alive out here.

JO

Iliked what you had to say, but believe me dear,
they have enough force, National Guard, State Guard and police force to lockdown this country.
They have the helicopters, the weapons and the citizens don't.

Nevertheless, if they do what they are threatening to do, martial law or no vote, there will ve "No Vote - No Work - No Buying -No Taxpaying. and as many millions as we can muster sparking themselves in front of the WH.

The interesting thing is while they are distracting us with "postpone elections" they are trying to pass an amendment to the Constitution against gay marriage at the same time.

So the question is, which distraction is he trying to distract us from.

And by the way, he's sneaking truckloads of WMD into Iraq. Does this fool still thinks he's going to go on with the plans to attack Iran and Syrria?

http://www.photomediagroup.com/pmm/issues/Winter2000/images/bullets.jpg

i posted this in a previous life, but here goes again:

-------------
Jesus said, "Let one who seeks not stop seeking until one finds. When one finds, one will be troubled. When one is troubled, one will rule over all." Gospel of Thomas
-------------

We've demanded the truth about the war and corruption of the current regime. Now, we've hit the depths with the child abuse stories (pictures on the way). This knowledge gives us the clear proof that the system is badly broken, running on empty, crewed by crack heads; troubling indeed but the type of information that will leave 'whoever has ears to hear' in a very troubled state...and everyone will hear about this one!

I read this article several days ago and thought it was too late to post -- that noone would read anyway. But Vis, in case you come back every now and then to read comments, I decided I'd go ahead.

I was and continue to be a real Dean supporter and am very active in our local Democracy for America chapter. I loved your article from November 2001 and have shared it with many people. It was looking SO good until, just as you said -- the beginning of 2004.

But Dean seems to have taken the lumps and is so resilient. He's got the courage to still speak truth to power, a little tempered by the fact that he REALLY wants Kerry/Edwards to win in order to get that nut case and his fanatical advisors out of the White House.

Well, anyway, that wasn't my comment -- just the run up to it. I'm wondering if the reason Dean is looking so good on Nov 2 is because far more than anybody dreamed possible of the many Dean Dozens -- progressive Democratic candidates for office that DFA is endorsing and supporting in various ways -- actually win.

And I'm still waiting for the surprise that many of the writers have written about, especially Sally. I've that the sense for a long time that something unusual is going to happen -- that it's not over yet. But things seem to be clicking along normally until now. Who knows, maybe the strange thing is GWB's attempt to get authority to postpone the election.

thanx to all the contributors for the wonderful heavenly perspectives.

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