Great article Isabelle and I know you wrote it a few days ago, so I find the remarks about Cheney's violent progressed aspects are pretty interesting considering his rather ugly remarks to Sen. Leheay today on the floor of the Congress.

An interesting article. Yes, I heard of the Senate outburst by the V.P. And he claims to run on the 'moral' side of politics, but alas; 'time tells on us all.' And V.P. Cheney is showing a rather ugly, arrogant side lately. Prez. Bush is no doubt the fall guy, a joke in so many ways. As Farenheight 9-11 portrays. And yet this Neo-Con administration has divided everything that it comes in contact with. The 2000 election, the populace, the Supreme Court, NATO Allies, Europe, the Middle East, rich vs poor, and on and on. 'Division' is the cry of this Administration. An uncanny curse. That whatever it touches, becomes a conflict. Either of words, or warfare. And a division that is continuing to spread, not only in 'space' ie. the earth. But in 'time' ie. what future generations will have to pay for this adversarial agenda. May we yet see the beginning of a new era, in the November election 2004. Otherwise when does the madness end?

Isabelle, thank you. This is very interesting and helpful information on the charts. Wow. These articles are so important for sanity, at least for me, in these times. You do a great service.

William Rivers Pitt also has an article up that speaks for so many of us. Enjoy.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/0625041.shtml

Isabelle,

Thank you so much for your very fine article. The research on the various charts is wonderful --- I am saving this information for the coming weeks. I particularly like the affirmation for:

"His charts, all of them, do seem to bespeak of his leaving the public stage or at least going through an enormous transition time."

In any other time, under any other Congress, Court, this pResident would have been impeached long ago. The repugs control all though, so there will be no possible impeachment BEFORE January and the installation of a new Congress.

As for his leaving the White House by another means... an illness, unless it terminated in death, would go undisclosed (re Reagan and his alzheimers disease). His health is certainly monitored, as his physician is along even when he rides/falls from a bicycle. His removal would actually only bring Cheney to an office he already administers, the presidency. But unless the removal involved disgrace, it would only cement Cheney's posture as the people would have empathy for him, and sorrow over Bush. From my POV that is not a desirable scenario.

There is one hope, albeit way out there... and that is that "Bulldog" Fitzgerald will bring indictments against some in the extreme upper tier of this administration, which would so reflect on Bush/Cheney that they would step aside. 'Course that brings on more scenarios of John McCain as candidate for repugs in Nov., or Hastert as president (in line of succession), etc.
We can only look to the 12-step program and 'take one day at the time' ---

Your article gives us much to chew and focus on, which is needed to remain sane in these times... and speaking of Fitzgerald, Justin Raimondo of Antiwar.com has a great article speculating on the interrogation of Dubya by Fitzgerald:

http://antiwar.com/justin/

The Interrogation of George W. Bush
The Plame Affair, Chalabi's lies, and the Niger uranium forgeries: connecting the dots

Eager to rid themselves of their old Iraqi enemy, and pave the way for the southward extension of their own influence, the Iranians fed Chalabi a stream of lies, possibly including the Niger uranium forgeries. The "intelligence" gleaned from these dubious documents somehow wormed its way into the President's state of the union address through some process that can only be described as treason.

Chalabi, the favorite of the neoconservatives centered in the Vice President's office and the civilian upper echelons of the Pentagon, regularly fed the White House (and the American media) dubious "intelligence" that went unvetted by the mainline intelligence agencies, and was "stove-piped" via Cheney directly onto the President's desk. If Chalabi, the Great Embezzler, ripped off the White House with fake "evidence" of Iraq's nuclear ambitions, and if this caused the administration no end of political embarrassment – remember the infamous "16 words" controversy? – then no wonder they cut off his allowance and raided his Baghdad headquarters.

But Chalabi didn't act alone: he had loyal friends and supporters inside the administration, who flew him to Iraq after the "liberation" and touted him endlessly and openly as the George Washington of his country – and the neocons defend him to this day. The Office of Special Plans, under Pentagon policy honcho Douglas Feith, functioned as a disinformation factory, taking the raw lies wholesaled by Chalabi's operation and retailing them as finished "intelligence."

If Chalabi got his hands on top secret information, and then passed it to the Iranians, then who in the U.S. government were his collaborators – and what other joint projects did Chalabi and his American fan club undertake?

Is it really a coincidence that Fitzgerald is questioning the President while FBI agents set up a polygraph machine in the Pentagon?

Whomever "outed" Valerie Plame had one goal in mind: to discredit her husband, who had exposed the Niger uranium gambit as a hoax. To suspect that the same crew knows a lot about the true origins of the Niger uranium forgeries hardly requires an imaginative leap. Back in February, when the Washington Post reported very "aggressive" questioning of White House aides, it wasn't only the Plame case FBI agents seemed concerned about:

"A parallel FBI investigation into the apparent forgery of documents suggesting that Iraq attempted to buy yellowcake uranium from Niger is 'at a critical stage,' according to a senior law enforcement official who declined to elaborate. That probe, conducted by FBI counterintelligence agents, was launched last spring after U.N. officials pronounced the documents crude forgeries."

It seems logical to assume that George W. Bush's testimony in this matter would be far more relevant, and interesting, than his no doubt limited knowledge of the Plame affair.

In any case, what fascinates is the interconnectedness of the various scandals that threaten to engulf this administration – WMD-gate, Chalabi-gate, Niger-gate, etc., etc. All share a common narrative thread, the theme of some foreign or outside force manipulating the White House to achieve its own ends. Chalabi figured prominently in all these deceptions, but he was just an instrument in the hands of the neocons, who used him as a front man for their foreign policy agenda.

It's all very cloak-and-daggerish, with spy-versus-spy plots and counter-plots, and, with so many layers of deception, somewhat confusing. But we can see what this complicated game was all about if we look at the results, i.e. what is happening on the ground in Iraq. As Iran takes the southern provinces, and the Israelis extend their influence into the northern part of the country, where the Kurds predominate, the real allegiances of the various players stand revealed.

– Justin Raimondo

Wonderful article, Isabelle. Later, when I have a bit more time, I hope to revisit what you wrote and ask more specific questions, but for now I just wanted to make an observation.

When you mentioned Cheney perhaps being elevated through the death of someone due to Cheney’s Natal 10th house being conjunct the fixed star Caput Algol, the star of beheading, it occured to me that Bush may actually find himself being forced to leave office due to his involvement in the atrocities the US troops are committing overseas. Maybe the Military, realizing Dubya is a danger, will leak some incredibly sensitive info that will force Bush to consider not running again? Or, more realistically, will force the Party to force Bush, kicking and screaming, out of the Oval Office?

The death mentioned doesn't necessarily have to be Bush's. It could be anyone's and, by association, elevate Cheney and toss Bush to the wolves at the door, you know?

Just my two cents.

Jonathan

P.S. I still think there might be something more behind the beheadings of these people that the American people might be sickened to discover. Just a gut feeling ...

Jonathan, I've had the same thought.

"behind the beheadings of these people that the American people might be sickened to discover. Just a gut feeling ..."

Jo, awesome article.

"n any case, what fascinates is the interconnectedness of the various scandals that threaten to engulf this administration – WMD-gate, Chalabi-gate, Niger-gate, etc., etc. All share a common narrative thread, the theme of some foreign or outside force manipulating the White House to achieve its own ends. Chalabi figured prominently in all these deceptions, but he was just an instrument in the hands of the neocons, who used him as a front man for their foreign policy agenda.

It's all very cloak-and-daggerish, with spy-versus-spy plots and counter-plots, and, with so many layers of deception, somewhat confusing. But we can see what this complicated game was all about if we look at the results, i.e. what is happening on the ground in Iraq. As Iran takes the southern provinces, and the Israelis extend their influence into the northern part of the country, where the Kurds predominate, the real allegiances of the various players stand revealed."

Perhaps the beheadings are hirgh irony.

http://tinyurl.com/2pr3u

Lottery Planned for Test of Medicare's New Drug Coverage

snip...

"In the past, some Medicare officials said they did not want to pay for unapproved uses of certain expensive cancer drugs, even though cancer specialists frequently prescribe such "off-label" uses. Ms. Selig said she was pleased to see that the Medicare demonstration program would pay for thalidomide to treat multiple myeloma, a use that she said had not been explicitly approved by the Food and Drug Administration.

More than half of all cancer patients receive at least one drug for an off-label indication," Ms. Selig said, adding that the precedents set in the demonstration program would be important for Medicare in the future.""

What a wonderfully clever way to acquire guinea pigs to test new cancer cures.

The abover was my post.

This was posted on Salon.

"I saw F911 last night in a packed theatre in the East Village. The first fifteen minutes to me were the most gut-wrenching, between showing election night 2000, the refusal of any Senators to back up House members who objected the election results(this is heart-breaking), and the morning of 9/11. This is an audience filled with people who were there that day and at times I could feel that cold dread in the air. I myself was shaking at times and I could hear people crying.

The information in the movie is no suprise to people who have been glued to the TT White House folder, but to me the most effective thing about it was that I came away from the movie feeling--in my gut--the contempt that the Bushies and their cronies have for the little guy, the regular American, the regular civilian. It dawned on me--in an emotional way, since as I said, I've known the facts--that we're playing musical chairs in this country and pretty soon everyone but the tippy top is going to be left out. The disenfranchised voters in Florida, the unemployed in Flint, MI and around the country, the veterans that are getting their benefits cut, the soldiers forced to fight in a meaningless war, the widows of 9/11 victims are all US. I came away with this gut feeling of patriotism, of wanting to protect my fellow Americans from the people who are destroying our country. This is the value of this film.

I disagree with the reviewers who said Moore was condescending; on the contrary. I think that the way he portrayed people in this film cut through the crap and showed whoever's watching it what we have in common rather than these markers or class, race, etc. This is a populist film and that is why it is dangerous and valuable."

The pResident's "interview" yesterday with the Justice Department lawyer, and his own layer began at 10:25 EST in the White House.

Wonderful article, Isabelle, and so chockful of info that it will take me a while to fully absorb it.

Pat C., did the interview begin on a VOC moon? I remember that being discussed in our earlier thread. Thnx.

more evidence to back up Isabelle's article
http://crisispapers.org/essays/abuse-bush.htm

from an old spy

CNN wants to know if the U.S. made a mistake by sending U.S. troops to Iraq.

shylurker, at 1:19 p.m. EDT, Moon went VOC for the remainder of the day. The "interview was right on course.

My apologies, I keep forgetting to fill in my name. That was me above.

I agree with Pat C's posting -

I saw F 9/11 Wednesday in NY - the shows were sold out, DNC campaigners were around with 'Beat Bush' signs, and someone was selling card packs with members of the Bush administration and cronies. It was such a joy to feel that we are not alone.

The critics had contended that the film showed nothing new that you supposedly couldn't find for yourself. But how many typical, busy Americans can really learn all the things the movie shows in such a direct manner and have the point driven home so effectively? Whether it's all the
links to Saudi and the oil industry, ('old news'
to the critics), the profits to be made in Iraq, the poor who have no other choice but to enlist (a fact few media seem to mention)?

Yesterday, I had noticed that the reviews had begun to acknowledge that the movie did have something to say after all. Maybe these reviewers, unlike the critics, actually saw the film...

http://salon.com/news/feature/2004/06/25/clinton/print.html

The Salon Interview: Bill Clinton
The former president blasts the Bush-Cheney rush to war, explains why Gore lost in 2000 and tells how Kerry can win in 2004.

Isabelle, I love the idea of Bush's swan song, it brings so many fun images to mind. But, I feel, as with so many things in the world at the moment, that the glass is half full. I wonder how the timing of this would play out and have concerns about that. What would be ideal is if Bush left office before the election. Then Cheney would take office and lose the election and we would be done with them. But I have been noticing, since the beginning of the year, that nothing seems to totally pan out, a "close but no banana" situation. We see something (pick any scandal) come to the forefront and then it slips away. They surely had good fairies at their cradles when they were born to be able to get away with so much. (As an aside it does make me ponder if lessons of patience are what are being pressed upon us, an awareness that eternity moves at its own pace?)

I do feel Bush could go for health reasons, mental health. And while you can hide physical ailments, it's hard to do so when the patient is suffering a mental meltdown and even harder to put him before the cameras.

So I love the fact that you make a case for Bush going, but I dearly hope it is before the election.

Thanks for a great way to begin the weekend!

I may be a pollyanna here, but I think this could cut off the head of the hydra.

http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=99415

The Complete Saudi Primer

Michael Moore's new movie, Farenheit 9/11, delves into the relationship between the Bush dynasty and the House of Saud. Follow along with this guide to everything you always wanted to know about the Bush-Saudi connection but were afraid to ask.

Thank you, Pat C. for the information on the legal interview of Mr. Bush. Is the time EST or EDT?....Thanks. Ann

Thank you Isabelle, for your insight. I've been scrutinizing the signs, as we all have, to discern how Bu$h's future will play out and all indicate that "gently" will not be among them. This article looks to be a good one for a beginning astrologer to refer to in the coming weeks and months, and I thank you.
***
I saw "Supersize Me" last night. Ya'll know the premise, but let me say that watching a guy go from an upbeat comedian to death warmed~over after a mere month of McDonalds was shocking, even to a jaded cynic. Fast food is addictive poison, quite simply, and the surprising side-effects of living on the junk include depression as well as liver damage, decreased sex drive and a slew of health problems. It was noted that if current trends continue 1 out of 3 children born in 2000 will develop diabetes. Shocking.

Bu$h represents a lot of things in our collective psyche, but perhaps most strongly he is the blending of the corporations and the government.

I think there is a popular mindset that "the corporations don't want anything bad to happen to me - I'm a consumer! It's in their best interests to keep me alive and healthy so I can keep giving them my money." Wrong. It looks like the master plan is to get the kids hooked early, crunch as much consumer lifestyle as possible in the shortest time and then hand us to the pharmaceutical companies for the rest of our short, depressed, unhealthy lives.

Bu$h and the corporations he represents have no ethics. The Matrix had it right ~ we are millions of human beings being farmed for our energy and nothing more to these people.

Assuming that Bu$h messed things up so badly that the corporate entities want new management, he's going to be replaced (one way or another.) But focusing only on his removal/demise really skirts the essential problem. That is, the only way we, the people on the ground, the masses, are going to be able to exercise any power or control over these schmucks is through massive civil disobedience.

There is very little, perhaps no difference between the leaders and the lobbyists. As a people, we're going to have to shut down Mickey D's, Disneyworld, Congress and the White House all at once to be heard and taken seriously.

Bu$h is a manifestation of our addictions and as a collective we're going to have to kick the habit, go through withdrawls and come out the other side. Bu$h may be too far gone to survive such a transition. If so, good riddance. As far as I'm concerned, when I look at his image I see a soulless corporate entity. I see none of the qualities that make us human when I look into that visage. Good riddance. May we never again descend so far into the depths of arrogance, addiction and lust to have such a creature in control of our government. It's time to clean house. Thoroughly.
~D

Ann, it's EDT. I made a mistake the first posting. I forgot about daylight savings time.

P.S., though it was 11:00 at night when the movie was over, my girlfriend and I went for a good walk to get some exercise after seeing "Supersize Me."
Namaste~
~D

Isabelle, thank you so much. Your article offers much encouragement considering the recent polls. I'm never happy about someone doing physically poorly, so I hope Bush just leaves, and in doing so, save US.

Dommael, very very true and well said.

Pat C, you mentioned that the BeelzeBush administration shows its contempt for the "little guy" and favors only the Big Players. However, being Bush's friend doesn't automatically spell success. In fact, it can mean just the opposite.

LOCKHEED EFFECTIVELY CANCELS DEAL WITH TITAN

Lockheed Martin Corp effectively scuttled plans to buy Titan Corp for $1.55 billion, saying Thursday it refused to wait for the outcome of a federal probe into alleged overseas bribery.

An unusual racketeering lawsuit filed in San Diego this month by human rights lawyers accuses Titan and another civilian contractor - CACI International Inc. or Arlington VA - of conspiring to execute, rape and torture prisoners to boost profits from military payments.

I've been following this story. It's a potential atom bomb for the contractors because the human rights attorneys have figured out a way to go after these guys.

It's a group of 8 Iraqis who were tortured. They're asking for an undisclosed amount in damages. I don't know how much it is, but I hope it's a lot.

This case will probably be settled out of court because Titan will not survive a jury trial and testimony from the victims. Also, the paperwork becomes public information so anybody can read the details. And they are bound to be hideous.

And this is what Lockheed knows. They see that Titan is radioactive, and they want no part of them. Also, the lawsuit is asking for Titan to be barred from future contract bids, which would be the deathknell for this company. (here's hoping).

The moral of the story is: if you play with criminals, you are taking calculated risks. And they may not turn out in your favor.

Cliss, very interesting! Life is truly difficult for criminals that get caught....key word, caught. I've always thought that life for criminals has probably always been miserable. How much loyalty and peace of mind can any of them have? How many loyal friends do the current ruling class actually have? I would be worried in their shoes.

Cliss, I just wanna cliss you. That's huge. Hopefully these corporate entites will end up like the final scene in "Reservoir Dogs" with each contributing to the destruction of the other.
~D

Zell Miller (D) Georgia to Speak at Republican Convention

Born Feb. 24, 1932, in Young Harris, Georgia

Headline: Democrat to speak at GOP convention
http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2004/06/25/miller/index.html

This man must not be getting enough mail!!!!

I know I'm over-posting today. There is just so much now happening and I'm just taking it all in. It feels good to see it turning around for now.

http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm

NOTE:  THIS IS A WORKING DRAFT FOR COMMENT, AND IS PART OF THE AWOL PROJECT, A LARGE SERIES OF ARTICLES EXAMINING BUSH’S MILITARY RECORDS WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE FEDERAL STATUTES, DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE REGULATIONS, AND AIR FORCE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES OF THAT ERA. 

heh heh, thx. They say that delayed gratification is a sign of maturity and increased evolution. In other words, a hamster may not have the patience to sit & wait for a food pellet, but a chimp might.

But with the Bush administration, it's ridiculous (how long do we have to wait for their bad karma to kick in?).

repugs living up to their names like hypocrites.
hyde,burton,livingstone preached the nation about fidelity in matrimony 5 years ago, while they and
their ilk had extra marital affairs and son out of wedlock for burton etc. Yesterday, that rotten
to the core cheny who preaches using correct words
to the nation, tells Pat Healy(VT Sen) to go f...
yourself on the Holy Senate floor. ex education sec bennet preaches virtue to the nation and gambles all he got in the casinos. Now, jack ryan
running for senate with the very sacred holy party
has been exposed as pervert in his marriage to
Jeri of Star Trek fame. When will the people with
an iota of brain realize the reality of this very
sacred,holy, godly repugnant party?

There is an old Taoist question about clarity asking "Who can wait for the mud to settle?" I'm still working on that.

They must not have used the same people Schwartzeneger (?) did.

Just too bad for this party of Gods and messenger
of God - jack ryan from Chicago couldn't go to our
other God-Supreme court consisting of another sham
gods scalia,thomas,lindquist- to prevent his corny
mind from being uncovered to the public at large!

bush stepped off the plane in Ireland at 3:09 EDT our time. I don't have the time for Ireland.

speaking of schwartzenegger, his latest great idea is to cut the present 6 days of life for stray dogs and cats at the pound to 3!!
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/West/06/25/Schwarzenegger.strays.ap/index.html

and personally, I don't feel that a bush death in office would be a good idea simply because then they would martyr the AH.
mimi

Unbelivable!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But then agian, he thought it was funny to dump a woman into a toilet.

"personally, I don't feel that a bush death in office would be a good idea simply because then they would martyr the AH."

Makes you wonder if that's the plan, doesn't it mimi? A flood of public sympathy for a sudden tragic loss in Bu$h's circle might be the answer to their prayers right now. Maybe Reagen's death was (intentionally or not) testing the waters???

There was a callous comment at Smirking Chimp about Karl Rove holding a pillow over Reagen's face shouting "WE'RE GOING TO WIN ONE FOR THE GIPPER!!!"
~D

that might be cheney's plan..
but without pretty boy W I don't think they have a viable candidate right now.. so they probably don't want to martyr him.
Rove and Cheney for 04
Cheney and Rice for 04
Rummy and Cheney for 04

boy. enough to make you queasy.
mimi

srub won't be a martyr even if he kicks the bucket
this summer because his divine party just got all
tired out eulogizing their other baal-ronnie and
don't have anything left to martyr or eulogize another baal like the shrub!

Decided to check out the repug websites to see how they think things are going.
Drudgereport has a doozie of a pic of Dubya... it was apparently taken yesterday. He doesn’t look too good.

http://drudgereport.com/

http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20040625-030647-7851r.htm

Bush pleads for courtesy

Washington, DC, Jun. 25 (UPI) -- An Irish reporter threw courtesy aside and repeatedly interrupted President George W. Bush during a television interview at the White House.

"Let me finish. Let me finish. May I finish?" Bush said early in his interview with Radio and Television Ireland Thursday, according to a transcript released Friday.

"Let me finish. Let me finish, please. Please. You ask the questions and I'll answer them, if you don't mind," he said in a second interruption moments later.

The two pleadings were followed by three more during an 11-minute exchange in advance of Bush's trip to Ireland, where he was to attend a summit meeting of the European Union.

In the interview with reporter Carole Coleman, Bush defended the invasion of Iraq and denied the contention that the world was more dangerous because of it. He also rejected the idea that bringing democracy to the Middle East -- a key aim of the United States in Iraq -- should not await resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian crisis.
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Guess he got a taste of a ‘real’ press conference! One of his ‘reg press corps’, one he can depend on, Elisabeth Bumiller of NYT reports the following :

Bush faces a hostile reception in Ireland
Elisabeth Bumiller/NYT NYT Saturday, June 26, 2004

Antiwar protests expected to cloud U.S.-EU summit

ENNIS, Ireland President George W. Bush was set to arrive at the heavily guarded Dromoland Castle in County Clare on Friday night as the authorities braced for what were expected to be large demonstrations across Ireland against the U.S. occupation of Iraq.

In contrast to the jubilant welcomes accorded to Presidents Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton and John F. Kennedy, Bush's reception was already developing as frosty, if not outright hostile. Widespread opposition to the Iraq war and revulsion at the Abu Ghraib prison scandal have turned a large portion of Irish popular opinion against him.

More http://www.iht.com/articles/526675.html

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You will recall Dubya invited himself to Ireland a couple of months back. Don’t think this visit will make him a happy camper.

Tom Paine has excellent article by John Prados, a senior analyst at the National Security Archive in Washington, D.C. His current book, Hoodwinked (The New Press), supplies a comprehensive narrative of the maneuvers to affect American thinking on Iraq and examines these and other documents central to the march to war.

The Paper Trail
by John Prados
June 23, 2004

The White House pronouncements in their proper context show quite clearly how the hoodwinking progressed. A good point of departure is the speech President Bush made to the Veterans of Foreign Wars in Cincinnati on Oct. 7, 2002. As Congress considered a resolution that would permit the use of force in Iraq, Bush’s mission that day was to reinforce the message conveyed by the U.S. national intelligence estimate given to Congress and the CIA white paper that distilled that document. Reinforce it he did. President Bush took one allegation disputed in the intelligence estimate—that Iraq had a fleet of unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to dispense chemical or biological weapons—and recited it as fact. Bush attributed to Iraq’s own admission the claim, actually drawn from a British government paper, that Iraq had produced 30,000 liters of anthrax (in fact, a number in excess of the British estimate, which was of a potential amount) and to U.N. inspectors the further claim that really Baghdad had “likely produced” 60,000 to 120,000 liters of that potent agent. These figures far exceeded anything in U.S. intelligence estimates (and none of these stocks were used in the war or could be found afterward). Bush also said, explicitly, “Iraq has trained Al Qaeda members in bomb making and poisons and deadly gases,” a claim highly disputed within the intelligence community but again relayed as fact.

With these and additional assertions, President Bush got his congressional resolution. This permitted the president to utilize force to ensure compliance with “all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions” and against the continuing threat posed by Iraq. No part of the law allowed war for the purpose of regime change, to compel changes in Iraqi government internal actions, or for any other purpose. The authority to use force was explicitly linked to the sole question of the alleged Iraqi weapons. If Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, the U.N. resolutions by definition would have stood as fulfilled and the authorization for a U.S. war would expire. Thus, Iraqi weapons stood at the very heart of the entire Bush enterprise. The drive for war required not only the assertion that Iraq possessed these weapons, but also the avoidance of any judgment by UN inspectors that Saddam had been effectively disarmed.

More http://www.tompaine.com/articles/the_paper_trail.php

The article above does an excellent job IMHO of demonstrating how some of our more thoughtful and decent senators, including John Kerry, were seduced, hoodwinked, conned, duped, manipulated, whatever... into giving Bush the resolution... The resolution in and of itself did not authorize Bush to invade Iraq, but only to pursue terrorists and terrorism. His required letter to Congress before the invasion in March 2003 has been circulated recently in support of the fact that Bush tied Iraq/Sadaam to 9/11. It is my hope that those who believe “Kerry voted for the war” will read this and other articles and the background on the resolution and the resolution itself before concluding that any senator voted to invade Iraq. As Sen Fritz Hollings wrote to me two days ago (letter posted on last thread) ... “ we were misled about Iraq”...

I appreciate the information you furnished, Jo, about how duped, conned, manipulated, and so forth, were our senators. However, there were millions of people around this earth who were not duped, conned, manipulated or whatever and who opposed that war. It is discouraging to know that those who were duped, conned, manipulated and so forth now want us to support them. I am ABB, so no worries. I do hope that in the next two or three go-arounds that we will be able to elect senators and representatives who are much smarter and more dedicated.

psychic hotline, as predicted:

Economy not growing as fast as thought
by kos
Fri Jun 25th, 2004 at 19:39:47 EDT

Hmm.

http://www.dailykos.com

Good, lord Mike, of you to share this news. Terrorists incidents are up (rather than down as they initially stated) and the economy is sluggish (rather than growing nicely as they initially stated). Cheney is losing it iin public and Smirky is confronting some real reporters. Well, blessed be.

...which all goes to prove, Elvis is Lord!

...and Hendrix is God!

I'm not sure where some of you are hearing good reports about Michael Moore's 911 film .. we had CNN on all day at work here today and all they did was trash it every hour on the hour! SO discouraging .. came home and the local news was also giving it a poor report and telling people it was full of lies and half-truths. It won't play in our town so people have to drive miles away to another town if they want to see it. Several locals here interviewed tonight said they would be going to see it but others said after hearing "the truth" on CNN about how bad it was that they had changed their minds. Not happy about that at all. Has anyone heard any television favorable reports on this movie??

Great article, Sally and as usual, great and insightful comments and posts by all involved.
Jonathan, Pat C, coincidentally, I saw this link today, regarding an unusual study of the beheadings:

http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=4964

and, check out the intro page on www.cloakanddagger.ca for an item about Bush being questioned in the Plame case!!!

read both and make your own decisions!

I truly believe our deliverance from the Bu$hites is nigh.....and hang on all, it promises to be a wild ride!!!!!
peace and light to all
Garry

Elora,
Hearing positive or negative buzz on the Michael Moores film, I believe, is determinate on what part of the country you live. I live in Northern California and for the most part in a very tolerant and liberal leaning area. When I went to the Moore movie today at noon the theater was “packed” with a cheering, jeering anti-Bush crowd. As far as CNN goes I refuse to watch Chicken Noodle News. The local news media around here is being very decent about interviewing moviegoers and allowing their voices to be heard. (Pro & Con) Although mostly Pro. . . But I did hear one State Republican lawmaker call the movie “Political Pornography”

I went to see Moore's F911 tonight. They sold out of tickets early and decided to show it on 2 rooms and thankfully I was able to get tickets. It was the only theater within 3 counties that had the nerve to show it. I will send the theater a thank you note . . . My daughter, who lives in a Georgia town, will not be able to see it because none of the theaters within 30 miles will show it, so I am lucky.

It was a masterpiece. Moore showed the blood and guts of our wounded American men and women, lost legs and arms, what happens when someone is blown to smithereens . . . very moving. And the military -- young kids that can't find jobs, so sad. Make the poor even poorer and they will join the military. He was able to get his point across very well . . . and boy, the ties to Saudi Arabia and the Bush family were incredible! And allowing a hundred and twenty something Saudis leave the U.S. 2 days after 9-11 when no one else in the country was flying!! There needs to be an investigation of that!

Isabelle,

Great detailed work. Thank you.

With dimson's MC conjunct Uranus and the South node (you point out the North Node on the 4th cusp, therefore the South Node is on the MC/10th)

It would seem to me dimson will have a very public
sudden event (as you point out tied to the 8th house).

Now that could mean some camera might catch him publicly masturbating -(:D - 8th house)or he is going to have a rather severe aeronautical event. I have long thought and posted that the inaugural chart indicated the latter, and your article re-affirms that to me.

Thanks again Isabelle for the detail and a great
astrological article.

all along bush seemed like a stooge, his undoing may well be his ego (sun in 12th) in cancer he may have wanted to avenge or uphold the family honor or at least live up to some sort of image in his mind of what his family meant. with all change there is a deep swing before it eventually lands in the middle: we are lucky that the changes are happening fast, swinging deep. there is no mistake and we can't second guess ourselves. so maybe bush is mad at being used, as being seen so unfavorably....maybe, just maybe he'll evolve along with the rest of us and maybe cheny won't like that and will let him fall BUT only after an election win (his highest hope,11th hs.) these are crazy times...

Further to Isabelle's wonderful article, and her mention of Cheney: it was dimson's administration that was going to restore dignity to the WH.

Yup. As Isabelle points out with Cheney's MC conjunct Caput Algol, he figuratively and publicly "lost his head" when he used barn-yard language on Senator Leahy. And then today, the following day, said he didn't regret it and it felt good.

I kind of feel that Leahy probably has a lot more friends in Congress than Cheney does. And this may just have turned more congresscritters against that administration. Hallelujah. Every nail in this administration's coffin is a celebration for America.

OTOH - would Darth Vader have dared to let his mask fall if he didn't know it was over?

i saw a hopeful movie tonight. it's called
'control room.' made by an arab-american documentarian, it shows the early days of the war in an arab television newsroom and from the press headquarters for the us forces. it humanizes both sides. its interesting to compare our news coverage with what the arab media was saying at that time. it's one of the few things i've seen lately that offers some hope for a resolution of the artificially induced conflict with the middle east.

Thanks, Isabelle, for a wonderful article. Saw Fahrenheit 9/11 tonight (had to drive about 25 miles one way) and I agree with the reviews posted here. This morning on CNN I saw two "reporters" panning it, but noticed they both--almost as an aside--mentioned that they had not seen the movie. (Big sigh.) Lily, "Chicken Noodle News"--where did you get that? It is so funny--and it fits--don't know why, but it does.

Good news for everybody who lives in a backwater (as I do) Fahrenheit 9/11 will be available in September on DVD.

C.N.N.~Chicken Noodle News.
Brilliant.
~D

We should all be grateful for how Michael Moore, in making his new film, has bravely stood up for true moral principles. We all know of stories of what has happen when citizens have spoken out against the Bush regime. Moore knew how the vicious right wing propaganda machine would come after his credibility and career. Moore gave freely of his talent and clout, as a successful documentary filmmaker, to hopefully help change minds and with truth on his side help wrench America from the slimy grip of the illegal and evil neo-con occupiers. Michael Moore clearly illustrated how Bush, just like Hitler, has the financial support of wealthy businessmen who have given tremendous amounts of money to run his propaganda machine and election campaigns. Moore created a brilliant, heartbreaking, shocking and thought provoking film. By example Michael Moore has made it clear we must speak out before history repeats itself.

First They Came For The Jews
And I Did Not Speak Out-Because I Was Not a Jew-

Then They Came For The Communists
And I Did Not Speak Out-Because I Was Not a Communist-

Then They Came For The Trade Unionists
And I Did Not Speak Out-Because I Was Not a Trade Unionist-

Then They Came For Me
And By Then-There Was No One Left To Speak Out For Me-
Pastor Martin Niemöller

Now I'm really bummed! Won't get to see F9/11 until the DVD is released. No theater is showing it on the Big Island!

NOW & THEN:
Dick Cheney on Civility

NOW:
“Go F___ Yourself''
- Dick Cheney to US Senator Patrick Leahy, 6/23/04

THEN:
"Governor Bush and I are also absolutely determined that [we] will restore a tone of civility and decency to the debate in Washington."
- Dick Cheney, 8/4/00

THEN:
"I look forward to working with you, Governor, to change the tone in Washington, to restore a spirit of civility and respect and cooperation."
- Dick Cheney, 7/25/00

THEN:
"My administration pledged to bring civility and high standards to Washington."
- George W. Bush, 8/3/01

I think it is so ironic that Bush/Cheney's official website has a video showing all the Democrats morphing into Hitler. Who do they think they are fooling? There are 3 pictures of John Kerry on the site and none of Bush. Really strange! Someone posted the link to that site on this forum and I don't want to go back there again, but you can google to find it.

dKos had news of F911 on top of page this am from Variety... you need sub to get inside article, but someone provided an excerpt, so here are headlines and etc:

'Fahrenheit' overheats Friday B.O.
Boffo sales put doc in running for No. 1 spot

By GABRIEL SNYDER
Buzz works. After weeks of debate and media coverage, "Fahrenheit 9/11" opened today far better than expected....

http://www.variety.com/index.asp?layout=upsell_article&articleID=VR1117907062&categoryID=13&cs=1

"Fahrenheit" is crushing both expectations of those involved in the film as well as industry rivals.
Ortenberg said that while tracking data did not predict sales this strong, the trends had been encouraging.

"The most important thing in the tracking is the trend. Every day our numbers keep going up for awareness and interest," he said.

Sehring added, "It would be great if it held for the weekend. It could break the documentary box office record in just one weekend."

-------

I expect this coming week will not be a good one for the admin., what with F911 and tVenus stationing for Direct on 29th, sham of a 'handover' on Wednesday... US is conducting airstrikes over Fallujah... Juan Cole has good article on that... and Maya del Mar's Daykeeper has a few words on Venus:

"When Venus turns direct on June 29, she is at 10 Gemini, very close to the natal U.S. Uranus at 9 Gemini. Historically, Uranus has been a warlike energy for the U.S. In terms of diplomacy, one of Venus’ areas, it means independence, not compromise.

This degree also squares (activates) GW’s natal Mars and his progressed Sun, which is now conjoining his natal Mars. All in all, it’s a great deal of energy for him to handle and still maintain any semblance of balance.

In the chart set for Washington DC at Venus’ direct station, Pluto is rising. Yes, as with the Mayans, armies could march.

This Venus does have fighting spirit. And we can use that spirit to fight for the good."

http://www.daykeeperjournal.com/feature.shtml

Yea, Jo... another major chance for integration & eschewing transference/projection imo. So that's what I'll do... own up to being a warrior for social justice. Hah! With libra sun in aries 1st hse, what else could I be?!?! ;O)

Joanna, we need all the warriors for social justice we can find... you go, girl! I've got a little activity in that area myself! [that's an understatement!] inner work, huh... that sounds good. And with all the outer planets Rx, there's more opportunity for inner work, and looking at Bush's charts analyses that Isabelle so finely provided us, there's going to be ample opportunity for some inner work on his part... hopefully not too much will spill out onto us people.

Blessed be...

For those of you who don't have a theatre near you playing F9/11, you might take some small comfort from knowing that even if you live in a city like NYC you might not get to see it this weekend. It is completely sold out! Also, I was surprised to learn that the big cineplexes near me were not showing it, only the smaller art house one is. It gives me no end of satisfaction to know that is doing so well, I hope this gives the Loews people food for thought.

On another note, From The Wilderness is reporting that indictments from the Plame case are heading our way and will be more than we expected. Apparently the scope of the investigation is broader than originally expected. I am not a subcriber so I can't link you in.

and now for some comic relief!
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2004_06_20_digbysblog_archive.html#108818773681108205

this blog entry has a video of a comedy show featuring real clips of cheney and bush.
have fun
mimi

....as the Bush administration keeps close tabs on the numbers of movie-goers this weekend....

Their fingers tremble as they see sold-out theaters showing 9/11...not your usual curiosity about weekend box-office receipts.

Monday morning will return, as it always does. There will be millions of new eyes directed at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Eyes narrow with disgust and contempt, as the sweat rings start to build under their arms.

they whisper, "what do we do now?"

`Fahrenheit 9/11' Tops $8 Million in First Day at Theaters

DAVID GERMAIN
Associated Press

LOS ANGELES - "Fahrenheit 9/11," Michael Moore's assault on President Bush, took in $8.2 million to $8.4 million in its first day, positioning it as the weekend's No. 1 film, its distributors said Saturday.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/states/california/counties/alameda_county/9020755.htm?1c

I have to say I am much encouraged. I walked into my local B & N and the first display was Bill Clinton's book. The next table after that was piled high with every book written abou/againstt the shrub.

I'm encouraged, too. I just visited the freepers and they seem sort of. . . um. . . uncomfortable with what's going on with F911.

THE SMEARING OF MICHAEL MOORE

June 21 2004
Counterbias.com
Robert Furs

Just before the upcoming release of Fahrenheit 9/11, backers of George W. Bush and the mess he’s brought to America are attempting to undermine Michael Moore’s credibility, taking great effort in smearing his name.

http://www.counterbias.com/055.html

I hear the Green Party has said no to endorsing Ralph Nader and that they have chosen David Cobb as their candidate. Does anyone know anything astrological about Cobb and is it possible for him to affect the election of either Kerry or Bush?

Sioban, thanks for the "civility" citations. I'm going to forward those along.

JoannaOregon, omigosh, all that cardinal sign emphasis. My experience with heavy cardinal sign people is that they are not acted upon--they act.

Jo, re Venus and daykeeper, when I first started studying astrology I thought that Venus was mainly romantic dates and pink party favors. Now I think that Venus is that, plus money, and also the feminine control of life and death--all that makes life sweet and death easeful.

You're good. What do you think about Bill Clinton, here is his internet diary, will his wife run for office in '08? Will she win?

Ring of steel welcome for Bush
25/06/2004 - 18:04:11

A quiet corner of rural Ireland was encased in a steel cage tonight as military helicopters patrolled the skies above thousands of troops.

The normally tranquil Dromoland Castle in Co Clare became a fort as US President George W Bush touched down at the nearby Shannon Airport.

Anti-war protesters who gathered outside lines of more than 2,000 troops and heavy armour.

All routes to Shannon Airport and the luxurious castle grounds were sealed off and police officers paced roadsides keeping a watchful eye that no-one strayed into unapproved areas, while camouflaged army vehicles waited in the bushes.

Local people simply gazed on in amazement as the largest security operation in the history of the State swung into action and transformed their peaceful neighbourhoods into something not unlike a war film set.

More http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/story.asp?j=108854610&p=yx88553y6&n=108855370

And for photos of the anti-Bush Irish protestors see http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=65747

Turkey is not giving Dubya a nice 'welcome' either. If he's not elected in Nov he'll have to build a wall like Sharon's around the 'ranch' (read movie set) at Crawford! And he thinks we can't see how hated he is? CBS news tonight reported on the visit and the fact that every president since JFK has gone to Ireland and been welcomed with opened arms...

The redhead smacks one out of the park again!

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/27/opinion/27DOWD.html

Last one for the night! Comment upthread that CNN was trashing F911 --- well, this review is on their website, so maybe the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing (hey, who does!)...

Review: 'Fahrenheit' a powerful, fiery film
At times heavy-handed, at times off-putting, but well done
By Paul Clinton
CNN Reviewer
Friday, June 25, 2004 Posted: 7:51 AM EDT (1151 GMT)

(CNN) -- Filmmaker Michael Moore tends to make his points with a sledgehammer, and his anti-Bush administration documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11" is no exception. But this time around he uses more delicate instruments as well, and what emerges is a powerful film

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/06/24/review.fahrenheit/index.html

...just saw F911.

to begin with, this is a great artistic effort. the stunning technique introduced in 'bowling for columbine' has been refined and applied to a topic of even greater significance. in a sense, F911 shows what can happen when we sensationalize violence to the point where paranoia is a part of our everyday diet. who else but a paranoid public (as described in 'bowling') would fall for the myth of bush the benign and the folly of attacking the wrong country to 'protect' us from further terrorist attacks. the theatre was packed at 10:15 near the courthouse in the free republic of arlington, va (a liberal bastion in a town that 40 years ago tried to segregate its schools). as i walked out after the stunning final scene, i realized two things. first, the value of this film (aside from its artistic merit) politically is to rally the base. i can't imagine a single anti-bush person who sees this film failing to vote in november. second, i can't imagine more than a few of the 2000 nader voters who see the film (and there will be many) doing anything that would re-elect bush. this film makes a very strong case that they cannot waste their vote again on nader or anyone else who allows bush to win a single state.

roger moore is making a difference!

Roger Moore? Is 007 on our side?!?
~D

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/062704A.shtml

The United States Has Lost its Moral Authority

 Peoples the world around have a history of culture and religion. In the Mideast, the religion is predominantly Muslim and the culture tribal. The Muslim religion is strong, i.e., those that don't conform are considered infidels; those of a tribal culture look for tribal leadership, not democracy. We liberated Kuwait, but it immediately rejected democracy.

    In 1996, a task force was formed in Jerusalem including Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and David Wurmser. They submitted a plan for Israel to incoming Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called Clean Break. It proposed that negotiations with the Palestinians be cut off and, instead, the Mideast be made friendly to Israel by democratizing it. First Lebanon would be bombed, then Syria invaded on the pretext of weapons of mass destruction. Afterward, Saddam Hussein was to be removed in Iraq and replaced with a Hashemite ruler favorable to Israel.

    The plan was rejected by Netanyahu, so Perle started working for a similar approach to the Mideast for the United States. Taking on the support of Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Stephen Cambone, Scooter Libby, Donald Rumsfeld et al., he enlisted the support of the Project for the New American Century.

    The plan hit paydirt with the election of George W. Bush. Perle took on the Defense Policy Board. Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Feith became one, two and three at the Defense Department, and Cheney as vice president took Scooter Libby and David Wurmser as his deputies. Clean Break was streamlined to go directly into Iraq.

More......

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/062704L.shtml

Exposed: BP, It's Pipeline,
    and an Environmental Time Bomb

    The safety of a controversial oil pipeline being built by one of Britain's largest companies has been jeopardised by cost-cutting, incompetence and shoddy workmanship by contractors, whistleblowers have reported.

    Former senior workers have revealed a catalogue of failures they say could lead to a major oil leak that would devastate one of the world's most environmentally sensitive areas. A dossier including their evidence, seen by The Independent, indicates BP's contractors and sub-contractors are cutting corners to get the job completed on time.

    The whistleblowers, qualified professionals, say BP made a major mistake in handing control of the section of the 1,000-mile pipeline through Turkey to a government-owned company, Botas, on a fixed-price contract. The full line runs from the Caspian Sea to the Turkish Mediterranean port of Ceyhan.

    The project ran into opposition from civil rights and environmental groups when BTC, the 11-member consortium led by BP, sought funding from public bodies such as the World Bank and the UK's Export Credit Guarantee Department (ECGD). Opponents said the pipeline, which would be driven through some of the world's most earthquake-prone and conflict-ridden areas, would wreak environmental, social and economic havoc. A spokesman for the ECGD said the department believed it had made a full assessment of the project before it decided to support it.

    The whistleblowers' statements, which will be given to the MPs next month, say that:

builders cut off villages' water supplies, flooded farmland and allowed oil leaks;
there were insufficient checks for the risk of the pipe buckling in earthquake zones;
crucial welding work often failed inspections;
those who complained were sacked or made to leave;
workers handled toxic coating materials without proper health and safety equipment.

More...

http://www.workingforchange.com/printitem.cfm?itemid=17176

Call to action on electronic voting

Molly Ivins - Creators Syndicate

Heads up, team, the voting machine situation requires sustained attention, but not panic or paranoia. There is time to act, but act we must.

Yes, it is high time to "view with alarm" (an editorial page cliché rivaled only by "point with pride"), and with bipartisan alarm at that. It's in everyone's interest to have the cleanest, fairest elections possible -- that's one of those things you can watch even the most partisan politicians serving on legislative elections committees figure out in no time. The only way to make sure nobody's ox gets gored is to keep it clean. If you don't think there are just as many bright, 14-year-old hackers who would rig a vote in favor of Democrats as there are who would rig it for Republicans, you've been neglecting the 14-year-old hacker set.

I suppose I've been calmer about the possibility/probability that electronic voting machines can be rigged than some others who are now looking at the bad news because it's an old story to me. Ronnie Dugger, a veteran Texas journalist (despite the fact that he's taken to living in, of all places, Cambridge, Mass.), has been on this case for years. I suppose I mentally assigned it to some "Ronnie's taking care of that" category.

But as Dugger's questions and predictions keep turning out to be more and more eerily prescient, it's clear this is something about which the general public needs be aroused and even plenty upset.

More...

This seems rather outrageous to me!! Who do we think we are?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5305539/

U.S. edicts curb power of Iraq's leadership
Changes to legal code impose new rules for democratic transition

BAGHDAD, June 26 - U.S. administrator L. Paul Bremer has issued a raft of edicts revising Iraq's legal code and has appointed at least two dozen Iraqis to government jobs with multi-year terms in an attempt to promote his concepts of governance long after the planned handover of political authority on Wednesday.

Some of the orders signed by Bremer, which will remain in effect unless overturned by Iraq's interim government, restrict the power of the interim government and impose U.S.-crafted rules for the country's democratic transition. Among the most controversial orders is the enactment of an elections law that gives a seven-member commission the power to disqualify political parties and any of the candidates they support.

--more--

Laurie,
"we" don't have to 'think' who we are... "we" are Neocons... Bremmer is one, and he is carrying out the agenda. btw, so is Bush I and Bush II --- bro Jeb is also, in fact, Jeb is probably one who 'reined' Dubya in...

They obviously CAN do anything they want --- witness the 'interview' between Dubya and Irish reporter... poster at dKos says questions had to be submitted by reporters three days in advance... and still Dubya couldn't produce the prepared answer! Irish people turned out in full force to protest Bush, but the 'government' turned out the police and tanks in full force to protect Bush... seems 40% of US software comes from Ireland.

This administration 'breaks kneecaps' everywhere to get what they want... protestors for Repug Conv are being 'permitted' ten miles from the site thanks to NYC Repug Mayor Bloomberg... and I predict the helicopters will fly over NYC for days on end (too bad that kind of air protection didn't happen on 9/11) and armed police will be out in force in high numbers --- 6,000 in Ireland and remember Savannah and Sea Island... if you've forgotten the numbers, check Pallas 18's thread.

Do you feel the 'boot on your neck' yet? Can you recall when a movie was censored? Can you recall when a Corporate Fascist turned down a profit for political reasons? (F911 is breaking box office records and entire cities are without a showing... free enterprise?)

Do you ever recall Clinton or Ford or Carter or LBJ talking down to a reporter, telling them to "let me finish" and then reporting them for being rude? Welcome to the New World Order. Got your ID card? Don't worry about a passport, there's no place to go.

Going to sit and tolerate this? If you continue to tolerate it for the next four months, chances are you'll tolerate this and much more for the next four years, and more...

There's a moving piece on a diary at dKos by a poster who saw F911... he comments on the 'civil war' in America... the inability to draw a line between the 'north and the south'... we are polarized indeed... the better to defeat us, right?

Divide and conquer Jo. The neocons know that. This is a minority doing the same thing that was done in Germany so many years ago. Well not that many years ago.

I wonder... America has so much... at least that is how we are viewed. But Americans are not well educated... they know virtually nothing of history... i.e., here in the South, many of the folks whose ancestors were fodder for the 'Civil' war, re-inact the battles, glorifying their revisionism. Americans know virtually nothing of Germany and their rise to Fascism. They equate it all with 'Nazis and concentration camps'... Gitmo is a concentration camp... there are others, all over the world. And racism is racism. It is just as evil to carpet bomb brown people and Asians (Viet Nam and napalm) as it is to gas Jews. This go round, the Neocons have substituted the word 'Muslim' or 'Arab' for 'Jew' with the same result achieved... hatred of the 'enemy' ---

"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." While history doesn't 'repeat' itself, it does sometimes recycle garbage in a different 'form' --- most folk recognize it by it's 'stench' --- they say that is what is going on in Europe... Europeans perceive a stench coming from America remini(scent) of Nazi Germany.

The repugs are eating up that garbage though, and projecting it onto their website by having Demos morph into Hitler's image. Talk about projection! Oh well, that's what happens when you pursue a degree in business to the detriment of social disciplines. Or simply decide you don't need to read.

I apologize if my pessimism is a downer. The young diary poster at dKos got me thinking though. Personally, what will I do if Bush goes back to the White House in January? [suicide is not an option... too, way too much karma!] Perhaps that is our collective karma. That's way too heavy a thought, which is why I am putting it out here. We'll just chop wood and carry water, right? I mean, it's not like other people have not had to live under an oppressive regime. Folks in Haiti are dealing with it, as are those in Iraq, and ... well the list goes on and on. Okay, I've done the 'what if the very worse possible thing happens' scenario... and we'll be okay. Not happy, but okay.

But in the meantime, I'll join in with Joanna O and all you other warriors for social justice... and refuse to go gently into the night...

Namaste

If you want some 'feel good' news, go to MM's website and read emails from those who have seen F911. They're wonderful. This particular one was 'enlightening' though:

COLORADO:

Highlands Ranch:
"Just got back from the 7:35 pm opening show for the moving in Highlands Ranch, Colorado, which is considered by many to be the Orange County of Colorado - a place where no democrat has held public office for over 20 years.... The nearly 1,000 seat movie theater was packed. People were waiting in line at 6:30 pm. Several people were trying to register voters but County Sheriff's deputies escorted people off the property. There was a standing ovation at the end and lots of clapping throughout the showing. Security staff was guarding the entrances to the movie and checking tickets upon entry. Many young people came; one person was wearing anti-Bush buttons and told to remove them by security officers."--R.L.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/breakingnews/index.php?id=32

From the Chicago Tribune as posted by someone on the Kerry website:

Chicago Tribune

The Ralph Nader problem for Sen. John Kerry could have gotten much worse Saturday but it didn't -- to the relief of Democrats who feared Nader would win the backing of a third party that could give him access to numerous state ballots.

After two rounds of sometimes-contentious balloting, nearly 800 delegates at the national Green Party convention decided against endorsing Nader's independent presidential bid.

Instead, the progressive third party nominated California lawyer David Cobb at an event that featured anti-war buttons, tie-dyed T-shirts and brochures urging the legalization of hemp.

Cobb, 41, who helped build the Green Party and has served as its general counsel, said the party would tailor its message in about a dozen potentially close states to reduce the risk of spoiling Kerry's chance to win the election.

"We will also honestly tell the American people that George W. Bush is even more dangerous than John Kerry," he said.

What we are fighting is not so much the Neocons as the memory hole and I have no idea how to circumvent this. I've been speaking to some of my under 30 friends and it is shocking how uninformed they are.

One of my friends told me she went to see her grandfather recently and he started talking about Hiroshima. She had never heard of it. When I told her about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, she was incredulous, she couldn't believe the United States would do such a thing. THIS WAS NEW INFORMATION FOR HER.

The current state of the world is so hideous that average folk don't even want to discuss it. It doesn't affect them, people don't even see why they should care. The idea that government exists for the people and we have a right to be involved in it is completely alien. Thanks to the Heavens that MMoore is able to put together a case in two hours to explain why Bu$h is such a hated pop~culture icon and raise enough stink to entice people to go see it. There's a black hole within the subject of Bu$h - the more you know, the less you are able to explain it to someone who doesn't. I think that's the problem.

Honestly, the sense of complacency among the youth is truly disheartening. I don't know what it would take to get these kids involved because the current list of offenses isn't enough, it's not working. I'm 31, so it's not like I'm an old man complaining. These are my peers. Even if Bu$h was devoured by another government agency and ABB was in charge I still don't see the majority of the young folk devoting one brain cell toward the machinations of the government.
~D

Dommael, yes--not knowing history is a problem. I know about the bombs dropped in Japan, because I remember it. But in 1950 I was required to take a course in Georgia history. It was shocking--just about everything after Oglethorpe was appalling. Nonetheless, I didn't know about Andersonville. It was omitted from the approved textbook, and I didn't learn the facts about Andersonville until well after I left school. Two subjects we must teach the young: skepticism and history.

There are plenty of us over twenty-something, and we do know. I didn't know nearly what I know now, when I was that age. It may be hormones.

Jo, thanks for the great post re F 9/11 in Colorado. I forwarded it on to a dear friend who used to live there.

http://tinyurl.com/2vp4p

NY Times

Rattled one Republican, June 25, 2004
Reviewer: angeredux
They came to boo and heckle. Instead, they sat stupified as the evidence,
clearly unrefutable as it played before their eyes, hammered at them until
one elderly woman member of the group, who later told me she thought she had
voted for Jesus's president (this is the Deep South), just erupted into
tears at the sight of some of the collateral damage we left in Iraq. There
was no heckling amongst that group of Evangelical Republicans. I spoke to
them after the movie. Even the hardest cases answered my own distress with
stony silence.

I am a Republican and I came to see this film with my wife so that I would
have some intelligent criticism to level at the Michael Moore fans I work
with. I was expecting a sloppy, fuzzy, highly manipulated treatment.
Instead, Bush Administration damns itself through its own actions, its own
words, its own lies...all documented for prosperity. Is the film biased?
Hell, yes. But I can't see how any reasonable person would call this
propaganda. It is documentary fact told by a man with a specific agenda in
telling it. But there it is on the screen.Fact. It can't be explained away.
And as for criticism that the film is disrespectful to President Bush; well,
after what we did to Clinton I would expect W. to take the heat like a man.
The only problem is that the Clinton issue was nothing to the moral breach
of this administration.

Every Republican should see it before he casts his vote this November. It
changed my vote.

Excellent article on "Christian" fundamentalism currently at smirkingchimp:

Joe Bageant: 'Thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Texas'

The author says "Christian" fundamentalism got going around 1973. In that year, Pluto had just entered Libra (sq Saturn in Cancer), Neptune Sagittarius and Uranus was going into the last third of Libra. Please, astrologers, why was this time so fruitful in terms of fundamentalism?

Many thanks.

I read thru the emails on MM's website, and I must say the one you posted above is the most powerful one I have read. It is indicting in its honesty. Thanks for posting it.

The above post isn't me.

Pat C,
That's my post above! I was in such a rush, I put your name in where mine should go! Sorry...

I don't mean to sound condescending, I'm just not proud of my generation right now.
~D

Exactly, Pat C... when I was in early school of the 50s, we were shoveled HUGE amounts of propaganda, incl the infamous "textbook" something called the "Red Scare" by J Edgar Hoover for civics class. We'd be so scared after one of those classes that we'd look for "commies" behind every rock n' tree. Bah! Humbug!! It takes building something one cares about, like a family or livelihood for folks to begin to be sensitive to conditions around them. I would say that one doesn't really get going on their civic duties until after the first saturn return in most cases. Meanwhile, I taught MY child about some of the major hunks of crap regarding our illustrious nation of "white-hatters." Or is that "mad-hatters?" (Heheh) But the young are/will get VERY interested in politics if that draft kicks up, believeyoume!

Well, dears, I forwarded Jo's post re the F 9/11 showing in Colorado, and here is what I got back from my friend who now lives in the Atlanta area. (DeKalb county is east of Atlanta metro and within the 5-county metro area.)

Hi all,
Well, I saw Fahrenheit 9/11 last night. Opening night. In a sold-our suburban theater. With four DeKalb County policement standing watch. ("It's a controversial film"). I didn't get to see the credits. The projectionist apparently decided we didn't need to see the credits, so he showed us ads instead...hmmm. What's up with that? After enough people griped, they passed out refund passes in the lobby.

So how was the film? Pretty damn scary, and pretty damn infuriating! I believe that EVERYONE in America should have to watch this film BEFORE November. Because after watching it, only the most avid Bush lover would be able to remain in denial about what those evil bastards have done.
Was it an objective film? No. It wasn't meant to be. Moore clearly used ramatic license and creative editing to further his anti-Bush agenda...but the core facts that are presented are true - even if they are given a bit of spin. The right have been employing similar tactics for years (Rush Limbaugh? Sean Hannity? Bill "oReilly?) so it's about time someone from OUR side gets down and dirty with the enemy--(sidebar--I'm currently reading Al Franken's Lying Liars book--another example of someone from the left getting down and dirty--about time!)

So...go see this film ASAP! I suspect it won't stick around the theaters for very long..the theaters might be willing to endure a bit of heat when there's big $ to be made, but they're no doubt anxious to get back to Hollywood "product" and leave controversy behind! AWG

Things are heating up and I don't think I'm wrong in assumming that they will reach a fever pitch. Along with this comes worries of what will be next as we see, more and more, how many restraints have been placed upon and erorded our freedom and liberties. It is scary and one has to wonder what these people will do next. For make no mistake, as we all know they are determined to win, and they are ruthless. How to cope?

It has, or will, come to each of us to decide what our roles in this will be. For me, after much thought, I've decided upon a two-pronged approach, a combination of the physical and meta-physical.

In the first, I consider communication to be key. Interaction on forums like this, speaking to friends, neighbors and family, writing congressional members and anyone else you feel moved to, signing petitions and, keeping one's self informed about everything. Also, contibuting , if and what you can, to campaigns and movements . Marching is another option, if one is so inclined. And there is the matter of buying silver as Sally suggested. All of these are productive things one can do. Once I've done all I can the second prong comes into play. I'm going to let it all go and not worry.

I've always taken great comfort from a quote by Thoreau, "Whatever we leave to God, God does; and blesses us. The work we choose should be our own, God lets alone."

And should things ever get to the point where citizens feel compelled to pick up a gun, learn how to shoot and take to the streets, I'll make my decision then.

M., very sane and sensible comments. Re getting to the point of picking up a gun--I noticed that in Iraq almost everybody is armed to the teeth. (Everytime they have a wedding the guests are outside shooting all those guns in the air.) BUT, that didn't keep Saddam from being a despot over them, did it? If the neo-Cons have their way, the only part of the Constitution still intact will be the Second Amendment. In that case, I would rather have a gun than not, but would it really do any good? Got to tell you, if you haven't noticed, that I am a Southerner. Nonetheless, I think the real power is in the mass of the people. If the Bushies try to steal the election again I'll take to the streets, and if necessary, stay there.

Bush-mess = It can always get worse.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/06/27/wirq127.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/06/27/ixnewstop.html

Jo, you can share my name any time.

Joanna, exactly. Not only that, but the boredom involved in history and current events as presented in most schools is overpowering.

M, very sane, and appreciated.

Shylurker, what an article!!

From the Toronto Star

http://tinyurl.com/2vuxo

One way or another, this pResidency is sunk.

Arming yourself is no good. The army has Global Positioning System as well as infrared and night vision technology. Taking to the hills and hiding out is not going to work. Yes, if the cabal tried over here what they're trying in Iraq the results would be just as bloody, if not moreso. Trust me, even if you are a survivalist and you've been stockpiling and are the most prepared, well-equipped, militia~savvy person it's still a mismatch and you'd lose. Quickly. Non-violent civil disobedience is the only way. Really explore the idea of armed resistance and you'll see that Ghandi and MLK were right.
~D

Good point Dommael and I don't think things will really come to that, because it's not just us, but the whole world behind us, and it nigh impossible to overcome that much energy. In a way **** is right. He is a uniter, he has united at least half this country and the rest of the world, against him.

Also, the limited release of F9/11 may have been, at least in part, a distribution decision. I just read that they are going to release it to a couple of hundred more theatres next week. So, places that didn't get it may now have a chance. It seems that it, if Sunday estimates hold, has garnered the #1 spot over all movies for the weekend.

Shylurker,
Thanks for your post concerning “Christian Fundamentalism"
Unless an individual has lived in a fundamental family, like I have, then you simply do not understand the huge influence they are now having on the political landscape.. Unfortunately Bush is duping them, but they simply will not listen to any criticism of him. Believe me I’ve tried to “enlighten” my family but logic does not seem to penetrate their fundamentalist Armour. The whole moment would not be such an alarming/ frightening movement, but they have insinuated their believes into government by electing lawmakers at every level of government-while the rest of us were sleeping. These elected/appointed officials do not believe in separation of church and state and the likes of Ashcroft is pushing that agenda. Because they took advantage of the “sleeping” majority Christian Fundaments are now having a HUGE negative impact on our democracy.
Thanks Joe You Got It So Right
Joe Bageant. . . "Only another liberal born into a fundamentalist clan can understand what a strange, sometimes downright hellish family circumstance it is---how such a family can love you deeply, yet despise everything you believe in, see you as a humanist instrument of Satan, and still be right there for you when your back goes out or a divorce shatters your life.". . . Joe Bageant

the posts and links have really opened my eyes! the religious fundie article especially; how did their numbers get so large? what's the antidote?

Thanks Rosemary. I grew up in South GA, so I do understand. Rubaiat, I was hoping some of the experts here might find that date of 1973 of interest and see what transits could have an impact. I wonder if Pluto going through Capricorn (and squaring the 1973-onward Pluto in Libra) might be important in terms of all this fundamentalist mess ("Christian", Muslim, Jewish, etc.). But, then, I'm rather ignorant of such things.

Barbara, et al.

Just so you know, theatres don't make money off the money itself. They make money off concessions and the like. So, as long as F9/11 puts butts in the seats, theatres will show it. I mean, I know some theatres would rather NOT show it, but, hey, if those crazy Libruls keep buying Cola, popcorn and Twizzlers (and helping the theatres pay the bills), they'll show it. The Almighty Dollar tends to trump making this Administration happy (not that the theatre owners will get a thank you card, or anything).

And, with all this free publicity (thanks Disney and those kooky Right Wingers for making this Doc a record breaker), the butts will keep on coming. :-)

Jonathan

F9/11 did 21.96 million at the box office this weekend, not only setting a record for a documentary (F9/11 made more in it's first weekend than "Bowling for Columbine" did in it's entire theatrical run), but also finishing as the #1 movie with the #2 movie, the Wayans Bros. "White Chicks", not even coming close with 19 million. Also, F9/11 opened in 868 theatres while the Wayan Bros. comedy opened in 2726 theatres. And F9/11 STILL came in first.

Thanks Rush, Hannity, Ifill, Eisner and, most of all, the Bushes for being so damn pathetic. :-)

Jonathan

Oops, I meant to write "theatres don't make money off the MOVIE itself", not the "money itself". It's late and I'm tired.

Nighty-night all.

Jonathan

Cool site! Go have fun:

http://www.pollkatz.homestead.com

having just returned from seeing F 9/11: I will probably see it again. The lines yesterday went around the block, today every seat was filled, and on the way out, a big crowd was waiting to go in.

A pin could have dropped in the theater and be heard. Rapt attention. At points where there should have been laughter there was very little.

A beheading shown from a distance. Victims of US Napalm and bombing injuries shown up close. Interviews of soldiers. Clips of Rumsfeld, Bush, Cheney. For those who have never been to war, it will be like being in one.

I first learned that the faux election and placement of dimson in the WH could have been further stopped/investigated if one Senator had signed onto the objections by Democratic House Representatives. Not one did. Why not? Why not?
Not even a Kennedy? Why not?

And finally a caution to posters here. A portion of the movie showed a rather loose group of ineffective elderly people who had formed a group in a city in California to oppose this misadministration. It was "infiltrated" by an undercover local police officer assigned to "terrorist" activity. Which was funny when you saw the members of the group, but not funny that this paranoiac misadministration and police force thought it was necessary to "infiltrate".

I agree that if this cabal tries to steal this election again, people should take to the streets as they did to get rid of Milosevic. Bring the country to a stop.

But it wouldn't be wise to discuss anything else here of a nature that could be construed as revolutionary or seditionary.

From our old fiend, Drudge:

http://www.drudgereport.com/kerryt.htm

Is this one of those little blips in the Kerry campaign that Nancy has spoken about? To me it smells of desperation on the Republicans' part.

Shylurker,
Yes, Yes, “Those Southern roots”. I’m originally from Mississippi from a very prominent family that roots go way-way back. My mother’s family was adamantly against my mother marrying my father just because his great grandfather was a Union General from Ohio. I couldn’t understand why the Civil War had never really ended for my family. Even though my father’s family had moved to the south after the Civil War my mother’s family always thought of "Daddy" and his family as a bunch of carpetbagger. I am not sure he will get to be buried next to my mother on the family “Plantation”. It was this kind of “crazy making” plus that constant “Church Going” that made me flee west for college. My father has never forgiven me for that defiant move. I love my family but I often thought the Zylogs had accidentally dropped me in the wrong family. All my family members are well-educated intelligent people but they cannot separate reality from their religious fanaticism. Their new war now is “God’s Side vs. Liberals”.
Shylurker, Excuse my diatribe but that article just set me off. Guess it just brought up so much that has conflicted me most of my life. They are the people of my heart-BUT. . . The article reflected my life and family and pointed out the terrible reality of the Christian Right. “Makes You Want ‘a Holler”

Rubaia,
Believe me the Christian Right (IMO) is the biggest threat to our civil liberties and freedoms in America and possibly throughout the world. We were all asleep at the wheel while a wrong-headed minority rallied their legions and counted on all those non-voters to get their agenda/people elected and man oh man how it worked. Here’s a little reading for you. Get yourself educated on this very wrong headed/hearted/ formidable group that now rule the US government.

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Embassy/8150/ChristianRight.html
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/1818/3_1ChristianRight.htm

http://www.theocracywatch.org/

http://are.as.wvu.edu/lebeau1.htm
If you want to know whom American voters are for, ask what they believe, that is, in the religious sense of belief. For nothing--not economic status, not region, not even race--divides American voters as starkly as their religious beliefs." So wrote Michael Barone (1996) in his review of voting patterns in the elections of 1992 and 1994. The best example--the most dramatic religious-political commitment--Barone could find in those elections was among white born-again Christians, or the New Christian Right.

I hear you, Rosemary. Do you have lots of books around the house? Do you, Jo? Most of us who liberated ourselves from our white Southern upbringing did so through books. We always have books sitting around the house.

JUST THOUGHT THIS SHOULD BE REPEATED EARLY AND OFTEN.

"9/11 did 21.96 million at the box office this weekend, not only setting a record for a documentary (F9/11 made more in it's first weekend than "Bowling for Columbine" did in it's entire theatrical run), but also finishing as the #1 movie with the #2 movie, the Wayans Bros. "White Chicks", not even coming close with 19 million. Also, F9/11 opened in 868 theatres while the Wayan Bros. comedy opened in 2726 theatres. And F9/11 STILL came in first.

Thanks Rush, Hannity, Ifill, Eisner and, most of all, the Bushes for being so damn pathetic. :-)"

Shylurker,
Yes, I do believe books were a big part of my saving grace. I truly “found” myself through literature. So, complete brainwashing through religion and environment had a more limited effect on me opposed to my brothers-“Knowledge IS Power”. Plus I was able to escaped at 17 years old and never returned. But I do so love the South-The way it smells and feels and even sounds and I sometimes long to be there on a warm humid evening sitting on the porch drinking a big glass of iced tea, listening to my dad reminisce all the while watching the fire flies and waiting for that cooling rain storm.

I was born/raised in Oklahoma, that declares itself to this day: "Belt Buckel of the Bible Belt." (hahaa) My mother's family, however, were all in/from Massachusetts where we stayed most summers. I liked & ID'd with THEM... them tent meetin' environments always gave me the full-blown creeps... particularly when folks began frothing at the mouth, stickin' their eyeballs to the back of their haids, & rollin' in the sawdust. I didn't much cotton to that.

A religion of hyper-Emotionalism is garanteed to "be" Trouble... & Stupid. And if that's not "politically correct," so be it. ;O)

Roger Moore here...(lol...this site rewires my brain intranet..."Roger" (Roger & Me - Moore's first film), "Moore" - duh. i met Roger Moore once...and i can tell you...Michael Moore is no Roger Moore (thank god)

***under 30/under 20 generation and their information/judgement.

i've talked to a number of under 20 types. they're like us except smarter. they lack the same information we (40/50 somethings) lacked. they know, intuitively, that they're absent the facts and that the schools/governmnet/media all lie, lie, lie. their reaction is often more like a quck transition in a video game...oh, yeah, this sucks...and they move on. they get to the right answer but don't show their work. just like those of us who think they're lacking facts, they'll learn and now is their time. can you imagine being told you can't see F911 because you're under 17! movies were not rated when i was a teen (or barely) but i remember that whenever anybody said, NO NO, BAD, CAN'T SEE THIS/CAN'T DO THAT, we would put it at the top of the list!

thank you green party, thank you, bless you.
thank you michael moore
thank you irish tv interviewer (you rock)
thank you astroworld

gee. i'm having a gratitude meeting with myself.

the song "onward christian soldiers" now has a new and more frightening meaning...i am going to have to think about this for awhile, a long while! the bushpeople are burying themselves and it's very interresting to see how concentrated the opposition is right now-worldwide. so much has happened that we cannot even discuss it all. michael moore didn't even scrach the surface! i truely wish another movie was coming out as a "one/ two punch", to drive it all home!!
i just recently read that one of the strongest desires is to belong...the right sure has created a place for themselves and they have deified suffering,poverty,martyrdom,repression etc...even when their leaders fall in any way it can be blamed on the devil.....other than jesus coming back really pissed off or e.t. landing it's hard to see what could reach these people.
my other thought was that, (unfortunately), nothing unites like adversity and we are all rallying together around our shared feeling about bush and his actions and people. in life/ in astrology there always seems to be a dichotomy...so this is the silver lining: we are belonging, becoming more involved and trying to make some kind of difference and it always seems as if change swings real far until it lands in the middle.
i was taught to always go back to the basics and pluto in sag., neptune in aquarius and uranus in pisces really sums it up if you think about. taking these clues and throwing in saturn then looking at the opposites can tell alot.
i have way too many books and i love to read but what i've seem happen is that it's opened my mind to where many things are acceptable and many things can be understood but maybe not chosen ...the fundies don't have to think, they have one book with laws written in stone and no desire or real need to look outside of that.

HOW THE IRISH SAVED WESWTERN CIVILIZATION (the sequel)

McAleese warns Bush over torture of POWs

Henry McDonald, Ireland editor
Sunday June 27, 2004
The Observer

President Mary McAleese voiced strong concerns over the maltreatment of Iraqi POWs by coalition forces during a private meeting with George Bush yesterday.

The Irish President told her US counterpart during a 30-minute meeting that there was deep disquiet about the war in Iraq among the people of Ireland and the EU. In what was described as a busy and very honest meeting, she said Irish people as a whole shared the shock and disappointment of the American people as scenes from Abu Ghraib had emerged.

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'voiced strong concerns' -- she let him have it
'a deep disquiet...among the people of Ireland' -- people here think you're disgusting dude
'In what was described as a busy and very honest meeting...' -- she made the irish reporter look deferential by comparison and there were raised voices and lots of anger...bush left quickly

now, mr. president, how does it feel to have not only the dixy chicks and pope agsinst you; but the president of xxxxing ireland (the country a plurality of american's identify as their own).

Yea, rubaiat... & that makes 'em unadaptable to immense changes occurring now. Back in the ray-gun 80s, a friend of the family--an airline pilot--had his whole self invested in that job. Money, personal status, retirement/investment... everything. Then that company was swollowed up by a corporate raider & he lost... everything. He just went nuts! He ended up murdering himself... decided to go chasing after that job on the other side perhaps.

USians have decided, for decades, that other people in other lands could do without their homes, families, methods of livlihoods, health systems... blow 'em up, set 'em on fire, run a tank over 'em, shoot 'em from the sky or drop bombs on 'em, throw napalm at 'em, stick knives in 'em... you know, the regular stuff that supremacist wargeezers do. I'm thinking we, here on THIS piece of real estate, can give up a few things as well. Oh, & we may not have a choice anyway. But we can easily do it when letting go of ego-attachment. We come with nothing & we'll leave with nothng except the riches stored up in our hearts & spirits... I'm pretty sure that's right. ;O)

* Interest Rates, Bankruptcy & the American Dream

With some Wall St & other economic indicators suggesting the existence of a healthy economy, Alan Greenspan's Fed Reserve is expected to raise interest rates next wk. What does it mean for the role the economy plays in the prez election? Harvard Law prof Elizabeth Warren, author of THE TWO-INCOME TRAP: WHY MIDDLE CLASS MOTHERS & FATHERS ARE GOING BROKE, says, "The American family is about to get hit with a tidal wave from the debt they've taken on. And that tidal wave is going to drown millions of families." ... http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/interestrates.html

Now consider this:

As Michael Moore's new documentary is burning up the screens here at home and in Canada, senior members of the Republican National Party quietly walk in and watch.

They sit down to see how their nominee from 4 years ago is being perceived by the American public, the ELECTORATE.

This damaging film can only do one thing: grow exponentially, by the force of its own power. The more the right-wingers denounce the film, the more it grows in stature.

Babbling gives way to quiet hysteria. Sweat starts to stain the shirts.

*note: The Oregonian, which is no friend to the liberals, came out with a review of the movie this weekend. It said, 'you come away feeling like the president is dumber than a box of rocks'.

Now flash back to the influential power-wielders. They sit and watch Bush act like a clown. They cringe at his stuttering and foolish statements.

~~do they REALLY want him as their man?~~

Now scroll up to the top of this thread. It makes a little more sense, now.

i used to get tapes from an astrologer named "buzz meyers" , he died a few years ago and i miss him so much...he was funny and knew history and could project into the future with an uncanny accuracy, he told us to get rid of debt, he really saw alot of this. it's hard to strike out on a different path and people work hard, they want to see the fruits of their labor. they were throwing loans and all kinds of credit at us in the small picture, just as in the big picture we have done that to and for the world. now it looks like everyone is calling in the loans and cashing out....here comes the super rich and the super poor. we knew this...
i was once told that there is the same amount of money out there that there always has been- it just get redistributed. it's all so confusing!

cliss, boxes of rocks everywhere should be highly offended. bush sitting in that school and the look on his face, good lord! i think a major faction of the 'power-weilders',the sane faction that wants to live on this planet, decided that it was time for him to go about six months ago. thats why the press started to change a bit. F911 beautifully outlined all the actions and failed lessons bush has to answer for during his saturn return. amazing isn't it. the oil connection, the phoney businesses, cheating, shirking, being a stooge...shame we have to go through it with him.

cliss, boxes of rocks everywhere should be highly offended. bush sitting in that school and the look on his face, good lord! i think a major faction of the 'power-weilders',the sane faction that wants to live on this planet, decided that it was time for him to go about six months ago. thats why the press started to change a bit. F911 beautifully outlined all the actions and failed lessons bush has to answer for during his saturn return. amazing isn't it. the oil connection, the phoney businesses, cheating, shirking, being a stooge...shame we have to go through it with him.

sorry, 7:33 was from mike...e gads, third strike and i'm out.

Rubaiat, we are all in this together. We must gather our strength and do all we can to make sure the wealth our Mother Earth provides is distributed equitably. We must make sure that the notion that the planet and any of its resources can be "owned" is the biggest of the Big Lies.

Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

cliss, they may think he's dumber than a box of rocks but sometimes action is better than smarts-he has pushed the agenda forward, running with a well thought out plan, years in the making (pnac)-so stupid or not he gets it done, a thinking, compassionate man would be an impediment. for gods sakes, he doesn't even read! all he needs is approval (which he's not getting) and he'll do anything!
i saw f-911 and was repulsed by his body language and expressions and ego BUT the man has energy and he runs to do their bidding and i think he's shocked that it's going so badly.
how do you think he will feel if he sees himself in mm's f-911 movie??????? ha!!

i'm not used to writing my thoughts and i'm trying to be less BLUNT! when i found this sight i thought it was funny how everyone always appologized..so i appologize if i offended anyone with my bluntness before. do you think i've changed? i'm trying ...really!

Rubaiat, I can only speak for myself, but you surely have not offended me. Aim high and aim sure and express yourself.

rubaiat, as our feckless leader says, 'bring it on.' or as that great athlete albert bell said, after he pushed aside a 9 year old autograph seeker, 'i apologize for nothing!' or as i say, 'if it weren’t for anger, men wouldn't have any emotions at all.' F911 set off an emotional depth charge that is just starting to resonate. you didn't sound that angry anyway. when the quake hits ga or whereever you are, get ready for some real rage.

thanks, shylurker, i love this sight!

i'm in pa. and someone posted that a pin could drop in their theater but here there was wild laughter, some tears but no standing ovation. i noticed alot of buzz during and after the movie.

rubaiat, same here, northern virginia. people were making loud comments like, 'what an ass' and laughing in a derisive way. it reminded me of going to see horror movies at times square theaters (before it was cleaned up) when i lived in nyc...a loud, boisterous interactive experience. the interesting thing was that nobody minded the comments. we're going to be declared an official part of the northeast soon (lol).

when the war started i was dating a man that was very much involved with the military indust. complex systm. he was a good person but completely convinced of the "rightness" of what we were doing by going into iraq. the amount of propaganda that he heard in so called "inner circles" was 100% more than what we heard on the media...so i thought that if these people told their family's and friends enmasse that it would be quite an impressive amout of pro war people or at least alot of people that didn't know what they didn't know....so it looks like there has been a huge about face BUT noone wants to loose their jobs,who wants to be a target?
two things surprised me in the move: no senator signing off and the huge protest in washington when bush took over..and i try to stay informed!

** BREAKING **

Handover of sovereignty completed
Low-key ceremony comes two days early
Monday, June 28, 2004 Posted: 4:12 AM EDT (0812 GMT)

Iraqi President Sheikh Ghazi al-Yawar: "This is a historic and happy day for us."

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The handover of sovereignty to the interim Iraqi government took place at 10:26 a.m. Baghdad time Monday, two days before the June 30 deadline previously announced by the U.S.-led coalition.

-more-

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/28/iraq.handover/index.html

Thank you for the info Laurie I checked it out on Chicken Noodle News (CNN) (love that name) how interesting that Bremer handed it over and then hightailed it out on the first plane ‘I’m outta here’ you could see written all over his face. You bet you are my friend.

Taking a quick look at the chart how interesting that the ascendant is 2 degrees of Virgo which is the same ascendant as our friend Cheney, that bastion of public civility and kindness to all.

The Moon is in Scorpio (how nice) and Venus is still retrograde. It just gets better and better!

HERE WE GO! THE BEST NEWS EVER! THE MIDHEAVEN THE TENTH HOUSE IS EXACTLY AT 29 DEGREES OF TAURUS CONJUNCT FIXED STAR ‘THE PLEIADES’ THE STAR OF GREAT GRIEF. Who could ask for anything more?

Its sad these idiots in the Bush Administration don’t call Nancy Reagan and ask her/beg her even for an astrologer. Anyone would do, anyone at all.

Oh and the ruler Mercury is conjunct Saturn in the 11th house of friends (or should I say fiends) and associates. With friends (fiends) like the Iraqis have, who needs enemies? Ha. Ha. Uranus retrograde is of course conjunct the descendant.

What a chart from Hades, I don’t wish to offend anyone here but my first look at this chart is oh my god/goddess what a disaster what a disaster.

Anyone else’s thoughts are surely welcome.

As mentioned previously, the African-American representatives who stood up to protest the impending election fraud were completely ignored by the media. As an African-American I was proud to know that somebody had the courage to stand against the disinfranchisement of our vote. I do have a question however, why did Senator Al Gore not sign the petition for an inquiry to save his imprending presidential theft? Was he ineligible or unwilling to stand with us to save his presidency and the democratic electoral process?

As mentioned previously, the African-American representatives who stood up to protest the impending election fraud were completely ignored by the media. As an African-American I was proud to know that somebody had the courage to stand against the disinfranchisement of our vote. I do have a question however, why did Senator Al Gore not sign the petition for an inquiry to save his imprending presidential theft? Was he ineligible or unwilling to stand with us to save his presidency and the democratic electoral process?

Sorry for double post; I'm impatient with my computer.

Isabelle, is the new Iraqi chart worse than the 1922 chart (did I get the year right?)? Seems to me it's going to be constant warfare, very unstable and quite possibly won't last very long. Does the Jupiter position help it any?

The Arabic peoples are historically GREAT astrologers! Wonder what they're up to... ;O)

Soulchild, Gore was VP at the time, having given up his Senate seat. Not being a member of the Senate, he could not cast a vote. I remember having read that Gore, himself, had been influential in convincing democrats in the Senate to not challenge the electoral results. It's almost as if he believed that should this happen, he would never be considered the legitimate winner. And I believe he was right, given the horrendous manner in which the Clinton administration were treated by the repugs throught their tenure.

I got the time for the new interim government. I called my local radio station, and they said the handover was around 2:30 AM EDT, which translates to 10:30 AM in Baghdad. The utterly amazing thing about the chart is that has the exact same configuration as the Iraqi birth chart.

Interim government: Asc. approx 3 and 1/2 Virgo, Uranus 6 Pisces40
Iraqi 1921 chart: Asc 4Virgo54, Uranus 8 Pisces00

The biggest troubles for this government will come when Uranus retrogrades back to the Descendant and stays there - in both charts! This is roughly July through January 2005. Any strong activations of Uranus really will hit both charts, such as the big one on August 16 - 18 (Mars and Mercury opposed).

http://www.alabe.com/cgi-bin/chart/31855464.gif

Well, curl my hair and call me Susan.

Those sneaky so-and-so's handed off Iraq two days early. Now we get to see what a free country looks like...
~D

Oh, sorry Susan ~ just an expression!
~D

My husband just told me he heard 10:26 AM. This is just short of being hit by Uranus in the fall. But 10:27 (3 Pisces Asc)gets the exact station. I have a hard time thinking things will be that calm, especially around our election, which is when the Uranus station is at 2:52 Pisces. So I would guess we are looking at closer to 10:27 when it was official.

As was said earlier in the thread "On Monday a lot of new eyes are going to be on the White House." Guess the cabal figured they needed to generate some press of their own to counter the bad publicity...
~D

THE END IS TRULY NIGH!!!

This gives the NASCAR dads full permission to see F911. Thus just blows my mind. "Is the the end of Little Ricco?"

"DALE EARNHARDT, JR TELLS HIS PIT CREW TO GO SEE MICHAEL MOORE'S MOVIE:

Verbatim from Chris Myers (Fox Sports announcer) on today's race at Pomona pre-race program..

"You think you know Dale Earnhardt Jr.? He advised his crew to go see the Michael Moore movie Farenheit 911. He said hey, it'll be a good bonding experience no matter what your political belief. It's a good thing as an American to go see... and it just shows you that Dale Earnhardt Jr. can reach far beyond the steering wheel."

From:

http://atrios.blogspot.com

I saw F911 yesterday at a Tacoma theater. I cried all through it. Some people in the audience laughed at the Smirking Chimp’s statements, but I could not. I got angrier and angrier as the movie progressed. There is a surprising amount of information in there that I wasn’t aware of. The first thing that set me off was that Al Gore had to hit the gavel and silence each Representative of the House of the United States Congress that stood up to contest what the Black Crows had done to him; because these R of the H had no signatures from the Senate to back up their protest they couldn’t lawfully contest it!! Where the Hell was Kerry or Kucinich’s signature? Weren’t they Senators at the time? What the F*** were all the democrats in the Senate thinking they would get if the Chimp became Pres, weren’t they aware of what he had done to Texas? Why didn’t the Senators do anything to stop the Coup? They still had a chance to fight it and they didn’t. Did Gore tell them not to protest?
And that was just the beginning of the movie. Dead and maimed Iraq children and their angry parents, crying mothers of killed American soldiers, old people and crippled Veterans with their benefits cut verses the happy rich buddies of bushbaby and his daddy who are kissy-kissy with the Saudi billionaires that own 6% of our country. The stunning realization by a young black man from Flint Michigan (50% unemployment) that the poor section of his city looks like Iraq and the recruiters are running around trying to con them into signing up for the military! The White House fenced in and barricaded. So heartbreaking and unfair to see such cruelty instigated because of those greedy, cold-blooded few with power. Making them slave away in a quarry the rest of their unnatural lives wouldn’t be good enough punishment.
The theater being almost full and having so many young people (black and white) in it gives me hope. [Was told the shows are all 70% or more full.] I suspect those people laughing at the Chimp’s ridiculous malaprops aren’t taking it as seriously as the rest and probably won’t be active protestors, but may at least vote him out. Word-of-mouth will get this film more attention, and maybe filter into the conscience of those undecided, confused masses we need to get off their butts and vote!

Is America the New Roman Empire? worth a read:

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/062204Ralstin-Lewis/062204ralstin-lewis.html

my boss is a republican across the board and in many ways he's brain washed. when the war started if i brought up any questions he say that i should go live in iraq, etc....they all say the same things but they aren't gloating so much now. i've noticed that whenever i can get him off of his automatic responces he looks troubled. just keep pointing things out over and over, anger and venom only fuels their hypnotic responces.
gore seemed relieved to loose in 2000 but it seems that now he's "chosen" to be an activist.

Isabelle:

I also stole a quick look at the new Iraqi chart,
when the news came through of the supposed time.

My heart bleeds even more for those poor people,
than ever before.....

How much more grief and pain are they to endure?

Susan thanks for answering my obviously stupid question, I think I must be sitting on my brain! I don't know how I could have forgotten such a thing. I just felt so helpless watching that play out on the screen.

In F911 there was also the congressman admitting that they don’t have time to read all the bills before they are voted on! A lot of the Bills don’t get read at all. There wasn’t time to go over the 1,000 pages in the Patriot Act that they got at midnight and had to vote on the same day! Totally unacceptable; where is their staff? They should prevent that type of situation from ever happening again. Make the composers of bills write a summary of each section and a more thorough synopsis for each congressperson to read, for starters. Ask for volunteers to go over papers. Jeepers, the public can’t afford sloppy work like they’ve been doing.

I think I know how to take care of double-posting, maybe the reason you can’t tell you’ve posted is because you don’t have the clicking noise when you click the mouse on the “Post” button? Just go to the Start Menu, Settings, Control Panel, Sounds and set up some sound for that function. At least a loud ding, or my favorite, a frog noise, will let you know if it worked or not

I have a metaphysical question. Before I ask it, I want to say how valuable all of your voices are to me. This site has the best analysis on the web. For me, the ability to take sound, practical points of view and merge it with higher, metaphysical influences is the best way to gain the proper middle perspective on world events. Today, especially, we all see the inherent value of Sally's website.

My question is about this shift in the dates. I am gathering that this June 28 date is even worse astrologically than the June 30 date for all persons involved, but I want to focus on Bu$h.

How is it that one man can effortlessly make a situation go from bad to worse? I mean, this ability is reaching truly remarkable levels. This cannot be the result of one lifetime's worth of bad karma. Is he being pushed or pulled by the cosmos? Does he have a nasty end waiting for him that is drawing him toward it or is he just able to whip the dogs of his mind naturally toward the worst of all possibilities?
~D

Jill G., I think my flair for double-posting (even triple-posting) is directly related to my blood pressure at the time.

Dommael, no offense taken.

I thought the very same thing you did about the early "turnover" of the government to the Iraqis. After a weekend like F/911 had, it didn't surprise me at all that they'd try to divert attention from it. I noticed on CBS radio feed to the station I listen to in the morning that they didn't give movie box office results. They ALWAYS provide box office $results from the past weekend, giving the names of the top 5. Today they didn't. Hmmmm...

I saw the film yesterday at a cineplex in the most repug area of Dallas/Collin County, and while it wasn't sold out, there were probably only a dozen or so seats empty, if that many. As with other posters here, the audience applauded at the conclusion of the film. And throughout, there were many people who could be heard crying quietly, as I did. My husband even had to wipe a few tears from his eyes.

The film is profoundly moving. There are so many images that are seared in my brain. I woke up this morning with the very beginning of the movie (about the 2000 Election fiasco) running through my mind. I thought, that like Moore 'this is a dream, a bad dream'. Unfortunately, it's been a (nearly) four year nightmare and and no one is waking from it!

My boss saw it as well, and he said he was greatly disturbed by the close association of the Bush family with the Saudi royals and the bin Laden family. I know many people (who haven't followed the internet investigations that have been ongoing for several years) have expressed their extreme alarm at those ties. It amazes me (and it shouldn't) that so many people know so little about the Bush family and their deep ties to the military-industrial-government-intelligence communities (since early 1900s) and how those allegiances have forged their military and economic policies for decades.

So, I'm not surprised at all that the cartel handed of this football and turned tail and ran like a bunch of dogs with their tails between their legs. What do you bet that we'll hear very little about Iraq until the 'election' is over...if there is one.

Has anyone here done a composite chart for Kerry and Edwards? I was wondering what the particular strengths and weaknesses of the relationship might be and how the chart looks for Election Day and the 2005 Inaugural. TIA!

Susan, I was living in Dallas on Sept.11,2001. I think I've been in the very theatre you speak of!
~D

Sally, the Venus transit is also reminiscent of a Woman Warrior stepping in front of the Sovereign and pledging her sword to a cause. Especially extremely Aries-type Venuses like the warrior queens of ancient Arabia, Zabibi and her successor Samsi. I can just hear them saying “I’ll get the invaders out of our land!” Many of the warrior women of history were very shrewd and clever. But being in Gemini what form could this warrior take? The Internet Fights Back! Or disasters on the home soil [Gaia gets mad!] that make the government withdraw troops around the world to come back to the US? The corporate-government has become so big and bloated it had to eventually collapse in on itself sooner or later. So maybe the troops have to come back because it’s too expensive to be out there anymore! Women will be the ones who will have to invent and build a new base. Aren’t women the ones that took the “gatherer” part of hunter-gatherer and turned it into horticultural? [Please Goddess, into a more balanced system.] Have you read the book by Greco on alternative forms of money? Do you think any of that could be put into action within the next 10 years?
Thanks for letting me go on and on.

funny you mention football, i picture bush as the quarterback, running the ball home,waiting for the applause. he seems pathetic, duped and now especially dangerous to those that sent him in to play the game..

We on the internet know so much more about what is really going on than those who get their news from the media. There has to be some way to get the public informed of all we know. ?

Isabelle, I took a sneak peak at the chart too.

Looks to me like there will be a continued struggle between freedom and military dictatorship again - with Jupiter inthe first opposing Uranus in the 7th. And Uranus rules the 6th of their army.

I thought I saw a trine from Uranus inthe 6th to the Sun in the 10th to the Moon conjunct South Node . The Iraqui people lose once again. Apparently the leader has a few surprises for his foreign backers, as it appears he will have great support from his own army. It's an interesting chart....I'm sure we'll all do our numbers on it when we have more time.

Did y'all notice the T square Jupiter opp Uranus, both squaring Venus ---big spending going on which will be quite shocking to the workers of Iraq.

Strange chart indeed.

there is a photo of the note that "Condi" sent to bush on CNN showing the time Bremer handed off to the Iraqis. I know that there will be a different time of the actual oath of office, and then again when the elections are held, but i do believe this 10:26 am Iraqi time is crucial to the days and months ahead. bush wrote "Let Freedom Reign" on the letter. did he mean ring i wonder.

i did note jupiter in the first but since it is against uranus i dont see too much hope for its protection since mars is conjunct the 12th house cusp.

interesting the bushman will have his progressed moon opposite the midheaven in the month of sept. 2004.

it will be enlightening to read other astrology predictions about this chart in the days ahead, all opinions are worthwhile and add to the discussions and its so great to read all the different ideas here, what a wonderful site this is, truly!

Just finished catching up on these fascinating posts. Got a prediction: (not based on astrology, because I wouldn't know where to look--maybe when F 9/11 was first shown to an audience?)--but based on experience researching the rad right. Here it is--some group is going to rush out their own "documentary" trashing Kerry. (Remember when that filthy Jerry Falwell was selling videos accusing Hillary Clinton of killing Vince Foster? I kid you not. One scene showed a woman's feet and ankles, with shoes similar to those Hillary often wore, walking into an office and removing papers, etc. The true believers thought it was all caught on a camera like those they have at 7-11 stores.)

A couple of quick notes.

On Democratic Underground there is a post that provides a photo of a note from Condoleeza Rice to shrub that indicates the turnover was at 10:26 AM local Iraq time. Not news, but that would pretty much make the time official.

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And on Drudge there is a move afoot to petition that the Kerry-Thorne divorce papers be released to the media (as with Jack Ryan in Illinois). I don't know much about Kerry's former marriage, except that their split in the mid-80s was supposedly very acrimonious. I don't imagine that there would be the eyebrow raising revelations as in the Ryans', but people in a divorce will allege all kinds of things to their divorce attorneys to effect a better settlement, and it wouldn't surprise me that this gets ugly if the matter is unsealed by the court. On the other hand, anyone running for political office today who had ANYTHING that he/she may have had some regrets about would be an idiot to open themselves up to the kind of scrutiny that is the political/media order of the day. I think had there been anything really explosive in Kerry's past, Roveco would have exposed it by now. I think this is simply quid pro quo, as it were -- payback for what happened to their boy wonder in Illinois.

I mention this because some of you had indicated you foresaw problems ahead for Kerry and that you didn't 'see' him as the eventual nominee. Any thoughts on this?

The note is featured on CNN right now. Also, CNN wants to know if you think a "sovereign Iraq" will be friendly toward the U.S. ((What are they smoking over there?)

Dunce report will amount to nothing because it comes from a dunce. This is the same dunce, who
said Clinton had fathered a black child, lately
he had some report like that on Kerry also. Til
this repug/god sent especially for us(to improve our lot etc) ryan got tripped by his divorce disclosures, this dunce could not think of Kerry's
divorce, now suddenly the dunce's bulb goes off
like the tube light, which flickers first,then again before coming on.So this dunce suggestion will amount to absolutely zero just like the dunce's brain!

"Let Freedom REIGN"?!! Omigod I hate this man.
Shylurker, I think they're "freedom frying."
~D

Touche, Raj!!!

Josh Marshall has a delightful post about Dick Cheney and the gathering storm at www.talkingpointsmemo.com. Here is a tantalizing tidbit for ya:
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Consider for a moment. Who is Dick Cheney? What do we know of him? None of us like being questioned or critized. But in him the disinclination runs particularly deep. He prefers to act in secrecy and is a man to whom government transparency has all the allure that a shaft of sunlight has to a vampire.
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Geez, Josh could almost be posting here with that sort of language!
~D

Shylurker, Raj - I look at Drudge's website because quite often his headlines become the mass media headlines for the next 24-48 hour news cycle. That doesn't mean that he has credibility. I think there will be a move to have Kerry's divorce records unsealed. It would be completely consistent with how Roveco maneuvers.

With pluto on its ascendant, buschie, as "head" of the US, acts as a giant Black Hole sucking into it the energy of the World, & particularly of the US. So where does all of this energy go? Does it "stack n' back up"? Does it go into another dimension? Does it actually flow back into the Arab world making them stronger & stronger? ;O)

Michael Moore's film is a great example of synchronicity & the mutual reception between neptune in aquarius & uranus in pisces imo. It is very good that he's expressing the Zeitgeist of the times.

One needn't think that Iraq et al are all hunky-dory now. "Nothing changes if nothing changes." AmeriCOs still have some transforming to do, but a critical mass will get there.

Hmmmm. In a reverse of the usual (double and triple posts on my part), I was trying to address a couple of things here and my would-be post seems to have disappeared. Joined the rings of Saturn, I'll warrant. That's where most of the lost luggage goes, you know. The lost faxes wind up in the faint rings around Neptune.

Susan, I check up on Drudge/Dunce at least once daily. Need to know what the enemy is doing.

Raj, I always enjoy your posts. They are so succinct, definitive and colorful.

Dommael, Joshua Micah Marshall is quite the man, yes indeedy!

"Vampire"... one of the poetic visuals of negative pluto. The whole pack of "neocons" et al are vampires. That's pretty darned accurate.

Juan Cole has some comments on the advanced 'handover':

Paul Bremer suddenly left Iraq on Monday, having "transferred sovereignty" to the caretaker Iraqi government two days early.

It is hard to interpret this move as anything but a precipitous flight. It is just speculation on my part, but I suspect that the Americans must have developed intelligence that there might be a major strike on the Coalition Provisional Headquarters on Wednesday if a formal ceremony were held to mark a transfer of sovereignty. Since the US military is so weak in Iraq and appears to have poor intelligence on the guerrilla insurgency, the Bush administration could not take the chance that a major bombing or other attack would mar the ceremony.

The surprise move will throw off all the major news organizations, which were planning intensive coverage of the ceremonies originally planned for Wednesday.

This entire exercise is a publicity stunt and has almost no substance to it. Gwen Ifill said on US television on Sunday that she had talked to Condaleeza Rice, and that her hope was that when something went wrong in Iraq, the journalists would now grill Allawi about it rather than the Bush administration. (Or words to that effect). Ifill seems to me to have given away the whole Bush show. That's what this whole thing is about. It is Public Relations and manipulation of journalists. Let's see if they fall for it.

Allawi is not popular and was not elected by anyone in Iraq. The Kurds were sullen today. There were no public celebrations in Baghdad. When people in the Arab world are really happy, there is celebratory fire. They are willing to give Allawi a chance, but that is different from wholehearted support.

What has changed? The big change is that Allawi now controls the Iraqi government's $20 billion a year in income. About $10 bn. of that is oil revenues, and those may be hurt this year by extensive sabotage. To tell you the truth, I can't imagine where the other $10 bn. comes from. The government can't collect much in taxes. Some of it may be foreign aid, but not much of that has come in. The problem is that the Iraqi government probably needs $30 billion to run the government properly, and with only 2/3s of that or less, the government will be weak and somewhat ineffective.

Since Bremer was a congenital screw-up, just getting him and his CPA out of the country and out of control may be a good step forward. Allawi won't care about Polish style shock therapy for the economy. Allawi does not have any investment in keeping Iraq weak or preventing it from having a proper army. But how the Iraqi military, if brought back, can operate in a security environment where there are 160,000 foreign troops under US command is unclear.

So that some group of Iraqis now control the budget and can set key policy in some regards may be significant. But the caretaker government is hedged around by American power. Negroponte (the US ambassador to Baghdad who has just arrived in the country) will control $18 bn. in US AID to Iraq. Rumsfeld will go on controlling the US and coalition military. There isn't much space left for real Iraqi sovereignty in all that.

Another danger is that Allawi will overshoot and provide too much security. He is infatuated with reviving the Baath secret police or mukhabarat, and bringing back Saddam's domestic spies. Unlike the regular army, which had dirty and clean elements, all of the secret police are dirty, and if they are restored, civil liberties are a dead letter.

The guerrilla insurgency will continue, perhaps become more active. My wife Shahin, always a keen and canny observer, thinks the guerrillas will make their priority number one the assassination of Allawi.

See also the article by Michael Hill of the Baltimore Sun, where I and others are quoted.

posted by Juan @ 6/28/2004 02:02:46 PM

Thanks, shylurker for your kind words. Susan, I am
so much against that dunce, absolutely nothing against you.It is just that I am so much anti-dunce because he is all so much over hyped by the so called 'rest' of the dunce media, that's all.

Joanna, I love your posts! Your comments are soooo poetic and insightful... actually 'dead-on' Thank you for all that you have to say... I have nMoon and nVensus in mutual reception and I completely missed the fact that tNeptune and tUranus are in mutual reception! Duh!

I particularly like your comments about "Bushie as "head" of the US, acts as a giant Black Hole sucking into it the energy of the World, & particularly of the US." Gemini opposing Sag would be affected by the Plutonian activity in the 1st, would it not? That's the USA 7th house of foreign relations, treaties and/or disputes. So, your suggestion about the energy flowing into Iraq makes a lot of sense to me. Question now is, will the Iraqi people benefit from this energy, or will international and/or American corporations? Some food for thought there. Thank you.

Yep, and one of the creepiest of Vampires--Negroponte--is now in Iraq.

Yep, and one of the creepiest of Vampires--Negroponte--is now in Iraq.

Dommael:

The metaphysical question(s) you pose are fascinating.

You ask: “How is it that one man can effortlessly make a situation go from bad to worse? I mean, this ability is reaching truly remarkable levels. “

I have known two people in my life who I could always count on to have exactly the wrong answer to any question or problem. They were so consistent that I used them as a sanity check – if they said yes, I knew the answer was no. In addition to all of his other limitations, Bush is one of these types. Maybe we can come up with a name. How about the ‘W Complex.’ People will ask, but how can he get so far? He was carried there because of his circumstance and his ‘aw shucks’ demeanor. His true danger is that, on occasion, he actually takes action on his own and provides the ruinous W touch…it all turns to garbage. The problem with ‘W Complex’ people is they lack insight! He doesn’t think he’s stupid or a disaster and he has a lot of power.

You state and ask: “This cannot be the result of one lifetime's worth of bad karma. Is he being pushed or pulled by the cosmos?”

I agree, it’s not bad karma; it’s an environment that shaped and rewarded antisocial, arrogant behavior without regard for the impact on other people. This training and the examples offered were/are complimented by wealth and great access to power enabling the negative behavior on a massive scale. As far as being ‘pulled by the cosmos’ he’s just a player in the larger drama. He was born and bred for this role and he’s playing it well. If the Cosmos wanted to send us a message of what not to do, how not to be, W is perhaps the very best candidaate available!

You ask: “Does he have a nasty end waiting for him that is drawing him toward it or is he just able to whip the dogs of his mind naturally toward the worst of all possibilities?”

He always picks the worst possibility, that’s who he is! His ‘nasty end’ is now. Just imagine, half of the people in your country despise or hate you and anybody overseas that knows who you are despises or hate you. You had your shot, you had everything going for you and you blew it. I can’t imagine a more degrading end than having to live life every day knowing that you screwed up everything and most everybody in the entire world despises you. Kinda limits your travel and options, doesn't it?

I’d be glad to hear better names for the ‘W Complex.’

(PS. That was my post on Dale Earnhardt at 5:37)

Shylurker,
that double post is quite alright. It needs to be said twice that Negroponte is now in Iraq.

I don't think I mentioned I rec'd a response from Sen Graham to my letter about the appointment of Negroponte. I wrote to ask him to explain his support of this (words fail me!). Here's his reply:

Dear Jo Ann:
Thank you, blah blah (usual). As you may know, John Negroponte's nomination to serve as the United States Ambassador to Iraq was confirmed by a vote of 95-3 in the US Senate.

I recognize your reservations with the nomination of Ambassador Negroponte. However, Ambassador Negroponte's record as a U.S. Ambassador to Honduras from 1981 to 1985 was fully considered by the United States Senate Foreign Relations Committee before he was nominated U. S. Ambassador to the United Nations. It is important to note that since then, Ambassador Negroponte worked hard to bring the countries of the world together to pass a UN Security Council resolution that demanded Saddam Jussein comply with UN mandates to disarm. I believe that he has strong convictions of bringing peace and democracy to the region, and is the right man for the job of Ambassador to Iraq.

Again, I appreciate (blah) Sincerely,

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It was Colin Powell who suggested him for job as UN Ambassador (Negroponte was serving in the State Department) --- so it seems that Negroponte was 'rehabilitated' apparently when he appeared before US Senate Foreign Relations Committee earlier for the nomination as US Ambassador to UN. And I guess he did such a fine job breaking kneecaps in the UN Security Council, that he must be rehabilitated enough now to send on a 'peace' mission to Iraq.

Alright guys, I mentioned this before, and y'all told me 'not to worry' --- that Negroponte's chart seemed to indicate Iraq would be his 'karma' with Roxanne I believe saying her take on his chart was that he would fit in with the violence in Iraq.

But if you will look at the comments posted upthread by Juan Cole (and earlier ones) on Allawi, do you see what I see? That USA has replace Sadaam with another just as repressive, and provided their own repressive equal, or superior --- in the form of Negroponte?

So what does the sham of a 'handover' mean for Bush now in terms of the election? Does he just say "we're doing what we can to restore order, and as soon as the Europeans and Nato do their share our guys can go home." Does that win the war for him? Does Bremmer's high tail out equate Bush's exit strategy? Is this a save-face? Will the Freepers be dancing in the street?

Well, well well! A big bone of contention here in NYC has been the fact that the Mayor has not allowed any permits for protestors at the repug convention to be issued. Today the NYC city council vetoed the mayor saying people have a right to protest. One small step for man....

shylurker--Negroponte as the creepiest of Vampires--worth posting twice.

One repressive is being replaced by an equally another tyrant/repressive in Iraq. Does that mean
the end 'karma' for the new tyrant will be similar
to the old one(this one may be in the hands of the
Iraqis!)

Raj,
I had not thought of that! Maybe that's what Sally and Roxanne were trying to tell me months ago, when I was trying to figure out the Senate could endorse his appointment as US Ambassador so completely. He will actually be Governor of Iraq, imo, and as Juan Cole's wife suggested that the number one priority of the insurgents might be to assassinate Allawi, they might also have plans for Negroponte.

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Here's a poll and some opinions:

By a 2-1 margin, Americans say the turnover of political control to Iraqis now is not a sign of success, but a sign of failure because the nation's stability remains in question, according to a CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll. Still, three-fourths in the poll approved of the U.S. handover of authority to Iraqis.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040628/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_opinion&cid=540&ncid=1480

Iraqis sceptical as 'power' is transferred

by Shaheen Chughtai

The so-called transfer of sovereignty places responsibility for much of the day to day running of Iraq in the hands of the interim government, whose members were drawn from groups of mainly former Iraqi exiles approved by Washington.

But US officials will continue to advise ministers on how to conduct their responsibilities and US commanders will remain in overall charge of security in the country.

Iraqi analysts and politicians told Aljazeera.net the so-called transfer of sovereignty was incomplete at best, while others called it a sham that suited US interests.

"There may have been a transfer of documents but there has not been a transfer of sovereignty," said Jawdat al-Ubaid, the head of the opposition umbrella group the Iraqi Democratic Congress (IDC).

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/6/28/153927/721

Thanks, Jo my Seesta! You said: "Question now is, will the Iraqi people benefit from this energy, or will international and/or American corporations?"

The Iraqi people are the "sovereign"... it is always the People of the Land--not arrogant ignorant greedy invaders so very typical of the anglo imo. The Iraqis are an ancient, even brilliant peoples--never mind the neocon efforts to picture them as little more advanced than mudhut-dwellers.

Mike, thanks for your post. Definitely food for thought! I'm amazed that only 50% of the country has figured out that you can assume the opposite of ANYTHING that comes out of the White House for a pretty good estimation of reality. I like especially what you said about W being born for this role and playing it far beyond anybody's expectations!

I'm rereading Nancy's article "The War Begins" as a cross~reference. Check this out:

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As has been true from the dawn of time, those who seek unrestricted power have invariably come crashing down from the heights. Such self-delusional attempts to move beyond the healthy boundaries of human communal interests inevitably meet up with a rude awakening. The Greek myth of Icarus and his father, Daedalus, tells the tale succinctly. These two, in attempting to fly too close to the sun, went hurtling into the ocean as their waxen wings melted from the heat of the solar presence.
http://www.astroworld.us/archives/000249.html#000249
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Nice.
~D

Some Kossacks think RoveCo knew ahead of time about the Supreme Court decision coming today, and used the excuse of early transfer of documents to take the spotlight from SCOTUS and F911. Problem with that is Bremer's leaving in the dark of the night only serves to point up the failure of this administration in Iraq.

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Supreme Court Affirms Detainees' Right to Use Courts
By DAVID STOUT

Published: June 28, 2004

WASHINGTON, June 28 — The Supreme Court ruled today that people being held by the United States as enemy combatants can challenge their detention in American courts — the court's most important statement in decades on the balance between personal liberties and national security.

The justices declared their findings in three rulings, two of them involving American citizens and the other addressing the status of foreigners being held at the Guantánamo Bay Naval Base in Cuba. Taken together, they were a significant setback for the Bush administration's approach to the campaign against terrorism that began on Sept. 11, 2001.

"Due process demands that a citizen held in the United States as an enemy combatant be given a meaningful opportunity to contest the factual basis for that detention before a neutral decisionmaker," Justice Sandra Day O'Connor wrote. She and seven other justices held that the detention of Yaser Esam Hamdi, a native-born United States citizen seized in Afghanistan in 2001, was invalid for constitutional or statutory reasons. Only Justice Clarence Thomas dissented from that basic position.

Justice O'Connor wrote that the campaign against terrorism notwithstanding, "a state of war is not a blank check for the president when it comes to the rights of the nation's citizens."

In the Guantánamo case, the court ruled, 6 to 3, that federal courts have the jurisdiction to consider challenges to the custody of foreigners. The finding repudiated a central argument of the administration.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/28/politics/28CND-SCOT.html?hp

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I understand RoveCo. is spinning the SCOTUS decision and of course F911 is off the front page now. But that doesn't matter. What matters is that folks see the movie, and they have and they will.

I can't wait for Nov 3rd, and for Barbra S to sing 'Happy Days are Here Again' --- I know some of you can't either. Well, she sang a new version of PEOPLE on the 24th at a fundraising for Kerry ($5,000,000 raised!)... want to hear the words?

"PEOPLE"
Special Lyrics
By Alan & Marilyn Bergman

PEOPLE
I MEAN G - O - P - EOPLE -
WHO'D BELIEVE THERE'S SUCH PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD?
BUSH SEEZA
LOTTA CONDOLEEZA,
THEY'RE DIVIDING THE PLANET'S OIL
ACCORDING TO RICHARD "POIL"
AND THEY'RE ALL JUST TRAINEES
OF CHENEY'S.

RUMSFELD,
WE MUST GET RID OF RUMSFELD -
HE'S THE SPOOKIEST PERSON IN THE WORLD.
AS FOR POWELL -
HE'S NEITHER FISH NOR FOWL.
HE'S IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM,
WHILE THEY'RE ALL FIDDLING WITH DOOM.
NO ONE'S MINDING THE STORE.
WHAT'S MORE,
LET'S DISCUSS THIS WAR WE'RE LOST IN,
DON'T ASK WHAT IT'S COSTIN' -
WHAT'S A TRILLION OR TWO TO RULE THE WORLD?
(Second chorus)
THE SENATE
HOW I WANT THE SENATE!
ALL WE NEED IS TWO PEOPLE IN THE WORLD!
I SEEA
ANTONIN SCALIA.
HOW I DREAD EV'RY TIME HE SITS -
SCARED OUT OF MY WOLFOWITZ.
TIME THOSE NEO-CON GUYS
WERE GONE GUYS.

THEY'RE LYING -
WHILE THE GLOBE IS FRYING -
AND THE FISHES ARE DYING IN THE WORLD.
THEIR SOLUTION
FOR ALL OF THE POLLUTION:
IS JUST TO BEAR IT AND GRIN,
AND PRACTICE NOT BREATHING IN.
BUT THINGS ARE GONNA BE GREAT.
JUST WAIT -
WHEN THE WHITE HOUSE STATIONERY,
READS PRESIDENT JOHN KERRY -
WE'LL BE THE LUCKIEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD!

Original music: Jule Styne
Original lyrics: Bob Merrill

Publisher: Warner/Chappell Music, Inc.

I have not read all the threads so if this has been said then I am saying it again. CAUTION the Iraqi hand over was 10:26 Bagdad time. THEY ARE ON DAYLIGHT SAVING TIME. THIS MAKES THE MID HEAVEN 29 TARUS AND ASCENDENT 2 VIRGO. Even Noel and some of the best mundane astrologers made this mistake on Noel's board until someone pointed it out. Seems none of the programs are using daylight time and giving wrong charts.

Check this out!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1247877,00.html

Court frustrates media moguls' expansion in US
An appeals court in the US has overturned new media ownership rules that would have allowed further concentration of television, radio and newspaper assets in the hands of a few companies.

The decision frustrates the expansion plans of the conglomerates that dominate the American media market, including Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation, Viacom and Gannett, publisher of USA Today.

The attempt to loosen the rules last year was met with immediate and fierce opposition.

An unlikely alliance emerged between groups as diverse as the National Rifle Association and the National Organisation of Women who argued that loosening the ownership laws would curb di versity in the US media. They challenged the rules in court.

"This is a big, big win for diversity in the media," said Andrew Schwartzman, the president of Media Access Project, the law firm that brought the legal challenge. "The judges agreed with us that preserving democracy is more important than helping big companies grow bigger."

The federal communications commission, which drew up the rule changes, now needs to decide whether it wants to craft a new set of regulations or take its appeal to the supreme court. Both options would take months and it seems certain that the current status quo will not shift at least until after the presidential elections in November.

The rules put forward by the FCC included ending the ban on one company owning TV or radio stations and newspapers in the same market. They also proposed lifting the current cap on the ownership of TV stations, from reaching 35% of the nation to 45%. In addition they would have allowed a single company to own more TV stations in a single market.

The commission had argued that the existing rules had become outdated because of the growth of new media, including the internet and cable TV.

In its ruling, the court said it agreed in principle with some of the changes but it said the FCC's conclusions had not been backed with "reasoned analysis". It described some of the methodology as "irrational" or "absurd".

The decision is an embarrassment for FCC chairman, Michael Powell, son of US secretary of state Colin Powell. He said the ruling had created a "clouded and confused state of media ownership".
~D

I don't think Negroponte's gonna like these guys:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FF25Ak07.html

In trying to get email manageable again, I re-found jamsmitty's shared wonderful piece...

"Twain’s commentary may surprise those who think that America has “taken a wrong turn” somewhere in the last 50 or so years. As this collection makes perfectly clear, people were making the same complaints in 1904 that they are in 2004.

"In this vein, the most famous is “The War Prayer,” a satirical[?!?!] piece in which an “aged stranger” interprets a preacher’s requests of God, in order that the congregation understands what they are really asking for:

“... O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst…broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it—for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him who is the Source of Love, and who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.” (p 67)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10462-2004Jun27.html

Diplomats Honored for Dissent
Envoys Challenged Bush Foreign Policy

This would be the irony of ironies, if they have to release him.

This was on the Keith Olberman show tonight:

“Over the next few days, the Iraqi authorities will be taking custody of 12 senior members of the previous regime, including Saddam Hussein,” said Salem Chalabi, an Iraqi official in charge of setting up a tribunal.

In U.S. hands
The ousted Iraqi leader, however, will remain in the hands of U.S. troops, Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt told Associated Press Radio on Monday.

“Prime Minister (Iyad) Allawi has said there are no facilities that he has available to hold Saddam in the amount of security that would be required, so he has asked the multinational forces to retain physical custody while legal custody is transferred over to the people of Iraq,” he said.

But the Jordanian lawyer claiming to represent Saddam said the ousted leader should be released because handing him over to Iraq’s new government would violate international law.

Ziad al-Khasawneh, one of 20 Jordanian and foreign lawyers appointed by Saddam’s wife, Sajidah, said the United States has no legal basis to keep prisoners, including Saddam, now that it has transferred authority to an interim Iraqi government.

“International law dictates that in such a situation, the occupation authority must release all prisoners of war — including Mr. President Saddam — and let them choose to leave to any country they wish to go to and under the protection of the occupying power and the United Nations,” al-Khasawneh told The Associated Press.

“The United States would violate international law if it handed the president (Saddam) or other prisoners of war over to the interim Iraqi government.”

Saddam was granted prisoner of war status after his capture. Although he is alleged to have committed crimes against his own people, he has not been charged with any offense.

Saddam to be tried for alleged atrocities
The Iraqi Special Tribunal, established six months ago, is expected to try Saddam for atrocities committed during his 23 years as president, including the deaths of some 300,000 people.

Al-Khasawneh said the defense team — which has enlisted 1,500 other lawyers from across the Arab world, Europe and the United States since Saddam’s capture in December — sent letters to the International Committee of the Red Cross, the United Nations, the U.S. Embassy in Jordan and other diplomatic missions urging them to help free Saddam.

One letter, addressed to the Red Cross, said the coalition authority should have released all Iraqi prisoners of war, including Saddam, when President Bush announced the end of military operations in May 2003.

“Under the law, all Iraqi prisoners should have been freed, especially since none of them was charged,” said the letter made available to the AP.

Al-Khasawneh said a similar letter also was sent to Qatar’s emir, Sheik Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani, because of news reports suggesting the Iraqi president may have been held in Qatar.

Glad to see the time question has been resolved with the Iraqi chart.
This chart is an election and as such it is a disaster as both the Midheaven and ascendent are invalid meaning the Goverment will be able to do little in the way of actually goverening.
Haveing the last degree of a sign at the midheaven is indicative that it is too late to atempt the action desired and haveing less than three degress on the ascendent indicates it is too early to to try to do the thing desired.
Saturn is semi square the midheaven and is being conjunct mercury the co ruler of the tenth.this should mean that for at least two years as the solar arc of Saturn moves towards Mercury that the current power ie the US military will be calling the shots.
Many things might be noted here.Uranus making its station this fall opposite the ascendent I would think is indicative of staying power destabalizing insurrection that makes it impossible for that inopertive degree on the tenth house cusp to govern.
Moon fallen in Scorpio and on the south node is indicative that the public or the people have been eclipsed and are totally demoralized and apathetic about the possibilities of this goverment.
Saturn in the 11th the house of the aspirations
of the people indicates the frustrations there of
As well as delay and difficulty in implicating the long term goals of this goverment.
Some positives in this chart, Venus in the tenth and Jupiter in the first and Moon trine the Sun might be okay but not if you dont have legitiment degress on the midheaven and the ascendent.The hope they offer does not manifest when those two house cusps are inoperative and cannot channel or release the positive energy that is there.
I doubt current president will last more than a year with that 29 degree Tarus midheaven.What they need are elections and a new president inaugurated with a chart different than this one.This really is an interm goverment and its president will surely be gone by this time next year.

It is an interim govt, of course... a puppet govt not ratified nor wanted by the People. It's a USian govt... mebbe the chart says a whole lot more about the USian govt than it does about the sham sitting in Iraq. That'd be good. ;O)

It would be interesting if someone would look at John Negroponte's and Mr. Allawi's charts to see if they shed any light on what's to come for Iraq....as if I didn't know.

Still, I'd really like to see the Prince of Darkness Negroponte go. Negroponte means = black bridge, but I say = black heart. The man is evil. I could tell from just listening to him, let alone look at his chart....shudder.....

I checked over at astrodatabank and they don't have Negroponte's info. If anyone here has it, could you please post it? Many thnx.

I haven't seen StarCats posted in a while. How about another peek at George Tenant &... oh, the other george. http://starcats.com/george_tenet.html

* The Sun trines Uranus 00-55.

The heavily waxing & fast Moon in Scorpio forms a grand trine in water signs with the Sun in Cancer & with Uranus in Pisces. The grand trine peaks with max intensity around 03-45 GMT.

With the suddenness/surprise of the Sun trine Uranus aspect the hand over of power in Iraq is being brot forward from 30 June to today, the foreign minister says.

Latest Update:- IRAQ SOVEREIGNTY CHART http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~harwood/coment.html#Latest

John Dimitri Negroponte
Birthdate: July 21, 1939
Birthplace: London, England
Birthtime: unknown

Iyad Allawi
Birthdate: unknown

*I'll keep searching. May take a while

To Cliss: You're great! Many thanks!

To the comments above concerning dimson more or less turning everything he touches : "from gelt he machs drek" - :) I am reminded of this saying:

"he never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity" - Abba Eban

Negroponte has, based on what Cliss has discovered, Chiron at 13 Cancer, Venus at 15 Cancer and Moon somewhere between Virgo & Libra. How very interesting. Saturn, do you thang!

There have been a lot of really great discussions and thought~bending links on this thread, including the cloak and dagger site (which was hysterical) and the surfing the apocolypse link (which was bizarre.) JoannaOregon, that poem you quoted was superb.
In thanks, I offer this site. It offers a theory of an ongoing parallel reality where a Greco~Roman~Mayan civilization evolves in the place of Christianity...
http://deoxy.org/t_timebi.htm
~D

Awesome posts everyone! Thank you!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A13900-2004Jun29?language=printer

Iraq Takes Legal Custody of Hussein Wednesday Prime Minister Allawi: Deposed Ruler to Be Charged on Thursday

One day after assuming political authority, the new Iraqi government announced Tuesday that it will take "legal custody" of former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein on Wednesday and bring formal charges against him on Thursday.

As expected, Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi said Hussein and as many as 11 of his former lieutenants will remain in the physical custody of U.S. and multinational forces in Iraq for the foreseeable future.

The accused will be given legal protections that are traditional in the United States but new to Iraq, including the right to counsel and the right to remain silent. That means Hussein no longer needs to submit to interrogation by U.S. officials.

Among the officials of Hussein's government scheduled for trial are former deputy prime minister and foreign minister Tariq Aziz, a familiar face on U.S. television since the 1991 Persian Gulf War, and Ali Hassan Majeed, also known as "chemical Ali," who reportedly gave the orders to use chemical weapons against Iraqi Kurds.

"We will show that justice will prevail," Allawi said, "regardless of how long it will take to be implemented. . . . We want to put this bad history behind us and to move with the spirit and national unity and reconciliation," Allawi said.

More....

From the Asia Times link above:

"The biggest mistake of the occupation forces was to despise our traditions and our culture. They are not satisfied with having bombed our infrastructure, they tried to destroy our social system and our dignity. And this we cannot allow. The wounds are deep and the healing will take long. We prefer to live under the terror of one of our own than under the humiliation of a foreign occupation."

That last paragraph is especially chilling...

http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts54.html

Role Reversal

Since 1932 Democrats have been so confident of the inherent virtue of government that they have been willing to trust any amount of power to it. The liberal agenda boiled down to the growth of government power.

Republicans were the naysayers, forever quoting the Founding Fathers’ warnings that government power meant liberty’s demise.

The administration of President George W. Bush has brought a reversal of these positions. Conservative Republicans argue that government can be trusted with any amount of power in the war against terrorism. Habeas corpus, the attorney-client privilege, due process – indeed, the full range of constitutional rights – have been set aside as obstacles to the war on terrorism.

Patriotic citizens have nothing to fear, say the conservatives, as the police state methods will only be employed against terrorists.

Such assurances have always proven false.

We were assured that the war against the Mafia required a new power to freeze a suspect’s assets and that the draconian power would only be used against gangsters. The new power quickly spread everywhere, even into divorce cases.

We were promised that the asset confiscations employed in the war against drugs would only be used on drug lords. When I last looked in 2000 there were 140 federal crimes that permitted asset forfeiture, and the practice had spread into state law. Some states permit asset confiscation for every felony on the books.

The war on terror has brought an even more rapid growth in arbitrary, unaccountable police power, as every airline passenger knows. Lowly airport security personnel can put citizens who object to an intrusive search or have an "attitude" on no-fly lists. A kid with a toy water pistol in his carryon bag can be detained. Citizens can be fined if airport security arbitrarily rules that an item in a carryon bag is "inappropriate." One bride returning from her wedding was fined $150 for having a silver cake server in her bag. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

President Bush’s war on terror has resulted in the greatest growth in police state powers since Adolf Hitler subverted German democracy. Republicans cheer this growth as necessary to our safety. It is the Democrats who are having second thoughts.

Senator Robert Byrd (D-WVa), the Constitution’s greatest – and perhaps only – defender in the US government, early warned that elements in the Bush administration were using deception to manufacture an Iraq crisis. The consequences would be dire, Byrd predicted. The US would cease to be perceived as peacemaker and be seen as warmonger. To facilitate its conduct of war, Byrd warned that the Bush administration would seek to reduce the powers of Congress and the rights of citizens.

In his June 24 speech at Georgetown University Law Center, Vice President Al Gore detailed the extent to which President Bush has unbalanced the balance of powers and destroyed the US Constitution by his claim to executive dictatorship.

President Bush, backed by the Department of Justice (sic) has assumed the power to label any citizen an "unlawful enemy combatant," to arrest and imprison the citizen, hold him in secrecy without the right to see a lawyer and without the necessity of charging him with a crime, and to authorize his torture.

President Bush has asserted the power to invade any nation on earth subject only to his decision.

President Bush has merged his role of president with commander-in-chief in order to claim that he is above the law.

Republicans are pleased with Bush’s role as Caesar, arguing that unconstitutional power is necessary to fight the war against terrorism. Conservative media such as Fox News, National Review, Weekly Standard, and the Wall St Journal editorial page glorify Bush’s exercise of illegitimate powers.

It is Al Gore, not conservative Republicans, who invokes George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and James Madison. It is Al Gore who says, "We cannot depend upon a debased Department of Justice given over to the hands of zealots," who are determined to create a presidency unconstrained by law or the Constitution, the better to impose their political will.

Are we witnessing an American version of the Reichstag fire in which dictatorial powers are created and civil rights subverted in the name of crisis? Can the Bush administration be held accountable for unprecedented lies and deceptions? Will the newly asserted powers of the executive survive Bush’s administration and permanently unbalance the balance of powers?

The stakes for liberty and political accountability have never been higher than they will be in November.

June 29, 2004

this article is so excellent i had to share it in its entirety.

June 29, 2004
OP-ED COLUMNIST
Who Lost Iraq?
By PAUL KRUGMAN

The formal occupation of Iraq came to an ignominious end yesterday with a furtive ceremony, held two days early to foil insurgent attacks, and a swift airborne exit for the chief administrator. In reality, the occupation will continue under another name, most likely until a hostile Iraqi populace demands that we leave. But it's already worth asking why things went so wrong.

The Iraq venture may have been doomed from the start — but we'll never know for sure because the Bush administration made such a mess of the occupation. Future historians will view it as a case study of how not to run a country.

Up to a point, the numbers in the Brookings Institution's invaluable Iraq Index tell the tale. Figures on the electricity supply and oil production show a pattern of fitful recovery and frequent reversals; figures on insurgent attacks and civilian casualties show a security situation that got progressively worse, not better; public opinion polls show an occupation that squandered the initial good will.

What the figures don't describe is the toxic mix of ideological obsession and cronyism that lie behind that dismal performance.

The insurgency took root during the occupation's first few months, when the Coalition Provisional Authority seemed oddly disengaged from the problems of postwar anarchy. But what was Paul Bremer III, the head of the C.P.A., focused on? According to a Washington Post reporter who shared a flight with him last June, "Bremer discussed the need to privatize government-run factories with such fervor that his voice cut through the din of the cargo hold."

Plans for privatization were eventually put on hold. But as he prepared to leave Iraq, Mr. Bremer listed reduced tax rates, reduced tariffs and the liberalization of foreign-investment laws as among his major accomplishments. Insurgents are blowing up pipelines and police stations, geysers of sewage are erupting from the streets, and the electricity is off most of the time — but we've given Iraq the gift of supply-side economics.

If the occupiers often seemed oblivious to reality, one reason was that many jobs at the C.P.A. went to people whose qualifications seemed to lie mainly in their personal and political connections — people like Simone Ledeen, whose father, Michael Ledeen, a prominent neoconservative, told a forum that "the level of casualties is secondary" because "we are a warlike people" and "we love war."

Still, given Mr. Bremer's economic focus, you might at least have expected his top aide for private-sector development to be an expert on privatization and liberalization in such countries as Russia or Argentina. But the job initially went to Thomas Foley, a Connecticut businessman and Republican fund-raiser with no obviously relevant expertise. In March, Michael Fleischer, a New Jersey businessman, took over. Yes, he's Ari Fleischer's brother. Mr. Fleischer told The Chicago Tribune that part of his job was educating Iraqi businessmen: "The only paradigm they know is cronyism. We are teaching them that there is an alternative system with built-in checks and built-in review."

Checks and review? Yesterday a leading British charity, Christian Aid, released a scathing report, "Fueling Suspicion," on the use of Iraqi oil revenue. It points out that the May 2003 U.N. resolution giving the C.P.A. the right to spend that revenue required the creation of an international oversight board, which would appoint an auditor to ensure that the funds were spent to benefit the Iraqi people.

Instead, the U.S. stalled, and the auditor didn't begin work until April 2004. Even then, according to an interim report, it faced "resistance from C.P.A. staff." And now, with the audit still unpublished, the C.P.A. has been dissolved.

Defenders of the administration will no doubt say that Christian Aid and other critics have no proof that the unaccounted-for billions were ill spent. But think of it this way: given the Arab world's suspicion that we came to steal Iraq's oil, the occupation authorities had every incentive to expedite an independent audit that would clear Halliburton and other U.S. corporations of charges that they were profiteering at Iraq's expense. Unless, that is, the charges are true.

Let's say the obvious. By making Iraq a playground for right-wing economic theorists, an employment agency for friends and family, and a source of lucrative contracts for corporate donors, the administration did terrorist recruiters a very big favor.

Well....I got my copy of Mother Jones last night.....you all must get it....(I contribute to their investigative fund)....they produced their Diddly Awards and ohmygawd, the people running this country from Congress are SCARY. And depressing....

And oh, things are really speeding up.... not to mention, it appears that from information released from the Cassini probe, Saturn doesn't rotate on its poles....it appears thus:

Pasadena -- The spacecraft called Cassini, now little more than a million miles from Saturn, is already establishing that the mysterious ringed planet's magnetic field is bizarrely unlike Earth's -- and more surprises are sure to come.

Cassini's interplanetary course is to carry it Wednesday night into the first of 76 orbits around Saturn to begin its four-year mission, and scientists are awaiting that first close-in encounter with some anxiety.

But already some of the spacecraft's dozen instruments have been turned on, and the one that measures Saturn's magnetic field is confronting researchers with a conundrum they don't yet understand, the project's chief scientist, Dennis Matson, said Monday.

"We're on the threshold of crossing the planet's magnetosphere, and ... we can already tell that it's generated by processes that are completely unknown," Matson said in an interview at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, where the mission control engineers who have been guiding the spacecraft during its seven-year flight from Earth across 2.2 billion miles of space are based.

On Earth, and on Jupiter as well, the magnetic poles are located at the northern and southern extremes of both planets. For us Earthlings, that fact gives us the shimmering colored curtains of the aurora borealis, the northern lights -- and the southern lights, too, for those living in the far Southern Hemisphere.

But the two instruments aboard Cassini that are measuring the size, the strength and the shape of Saturn's magnetic field have confirmed that the field is aligned with Saturn's axis of rotation. Its poles are located on either side of the planet's equator, instead of at the northern and southern extremes.

The magnetic fields of Earth and Jupiter are generated by the rotating cores of iron at their centers, which spin like the dynamos of electric power plants.

But gaseous Saturn is not known to have an iron core, and what generates its lopsided magnetic field is the puzzle, Matson said.

"There may be two dynamos in its interior, or even more," Matson said. "We just don't know yet."
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/06/29/MNG5H7DJIU1.DTL

Can the draft be far behind?

Army to Call Up Retired, Discharged Troops

Tuesday June 29, 2004 5:01 PM

By ROBERT BURNS

AP Military Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Army is preparing to notify about 5,600 retired and discharged soldiers who are not members of the National Guard or Reserve that they will be involuntarily recalled to active duty for possible service in Iraq or Afghanistan, Army officials said Tuesday.

It marks the first time the Army has called on the Individual Ready Reserve, as this category of reservists is known, in substantial numbers since the 1991 Gulf War. Several hundred of them have volunteered for active-duty service since the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

Those who are part of the involuntary call up are likely to be assigned to National Guard or Reserve units that have been mobilized for duty in Iraq or Afghanistan, according to Army officials who discussed some details Tuesday on condition they not be identified because a public announcement was planned for Wednesday.

Members of Congress were being notified of the decision Tuesday, the officials said.

Unlike members of the National Guard and Reserve, the individual reservists do not perform regularly scheduled training. Any former enlisted soldier who did not serve at least eight years on active duty is in the Individual Ready Reserve pool, as are all officers who have not resigned their commission.

The Army has been reviewing its list of 118,000 eligible individual reservists for several weeks in search of qualified people in certain high-priority skill areas like civil affairs.

http://www.robertscheer.com/

Born Under a Cloud of Irony
The new, free Iraq may officially be in the hands of a former terrorist

The ironies are flowing thicker than crude oil in Iraq these days.

First, the United States surreptitiously turns over nominal control of the country to a government appointed by outsiders while leaving real power in the hands of U.S. military commanders and calls it an exercise in democracy.

And although the interim prime minister is a former member of Saddam Hussein's Baath Party who later conducted anti-Hussein terrorist operations on behalf of the CIA — operations in which innocent Iraqi civilians may have been killed -- his anointment as leader of a "free Iraq" is being hailed by President Bush as a great victory in the war on terror.

According to several former intelligence officials interviewed by the New York Times this month, the political group run by interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi in the 1990s, but financed by the CIA, "used car bombs and other explosive devices smuggled into Iraq" in an attempt to sabotage and destabilize Hussein's regime.

With such a record, it is perhaps not strange then that Allawi, who built his exile organization with defecting Iraqi military officers, is already proclaiming the need to delay elections scheduled for January and impose martial law. On Monday Bush said coalition forces would support such a call for martial law, presumably enforced by U.S. troops.

More....

http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/revolution/

There was a time!

Here are two excerpts from Wm River Pitts article today, read the rest at link --- the facts in the article will make you ill...

97 legal orders have been enacted by Bremer which are "binding instructions or directives to the Iraqi people, "which will last for years, and which allocate positions controlling communications, public broadcasting, securities markets, investigations into public corruption, petroleum and virtually every area of government to people loyal to the occupation force. One elections law crafted by Bremer gives a seven-member commission the power to disqualify political parties and any of the candidates they support.

Oil revenues from Iraq, the money Bush has repeatedly claimed belongs to the Iraqi people, totals more than $20 billion to date. Almost none of that money has made its way to the Iraqi people, or to the rebuilding of infrastructure, but has instead been redirected to the U.S. and British corporations which basically control the Coalition Provisional Authority. The contracts diverting these funds to these corporations are binding, and cannot be changed even if the 'sovereign' Iraqi government decides the money could better be spent elsewhere. For the time being, despite the billions of dollars coming out of Iraq' s oil industry, the diversion of funds created by these CPA contracts means that most of the money for the rebuilding of Iraqi infrastructure will come from American taxpayers by way of the U.S. Congress. According to a report by the BBC, most of the $20 billion cannot be accounted for at this time. The party is not likely to end soon; since oil production began, only 2,300 wells have been drilled in Iraq, compared with about 1 million in Texas. A large part of the country remains virtually unexplored.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/062904A.shtml

Following is a link to a commentary by Mark Shields on CNN, short read, it's an interesting look at the impact of Bush's lies catching up to him.

Bush's credibility crisis
Monday, June 28, 2004 Posted: 10:50 AM EDT (1450 GMT)

YORK, Pennsylvania (Creators Syndicate) -- This small city right on the Mason-Dixon line and just north of the Maryland border has a lot of history. During the Revolutionary War, from September 1777 to June 1778,York, Pennsylvania, was the capital of the United States.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/28/bush/index.html

Hello, Morgana! Wonderful to see you again, and thanks for the link.

morgana, how are you doing????
any updates?

Morgana,
Did you get my telepathic message? Been wondering how you are!

Heh Jo, Shylurker, Isabelle and all the other awesome People. I've become a huge advocate of Eastern Medicine, I'm getting better. I was able to stand in line for an hour without assist and didn't fall over while waiting to get in to see Fahrenheit 911, then enjoyed a balmy summer evening walking four blocks to the car (and I didn't walk like a drunk). I'm workin' on my moon piece(s) keep your fingers cross :)
Elsewise I work at my day job too much!

love to all

Don't we all, Morgana. Can't wait to soak in your Moon piece(s)~ fingers and toes crossed!
Namaste~
~D

As usual pundints are utterly wrong again. Predicted that Canadian elections will be too close to call, my foot! The Liberals won 136 seats to their repugs 93 seats.The more progressive liberals won another 23 seats, so the
Liberals with 136+23=159 seats combined will rule
Canada for the next 5 years.Forget about the repugs in Canada.If the so called pundits were right the seats won would have been close like 136
to 135 seats.So much for the pundits prediction.
That's why I don't believe the pundits predictions
here for 2004 elections are on the mark either.
Kerry will win by at least 100 electoral votes more than the thief shrub; that's my prediction,
much better than the so called pundits.

Raj, you go! I like those numbers!

other reason, why the pundits are wrong is because
close tight elections like 2000, don't occur every
4 years.It occurs once in 100 years or more(rare occurences,once in a blue moon).How many super bowls have been won in the last minute by a field goal or by a squeaker of less than 3 pts difference, may be 1 or two in the last 40 years.
It is the same iwth close elections, so the pundits are completely wrong in the forthcoming elections, as far as I'm concerned.

....food for thought...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4962743-103677,00.html

shrub's data

July 6, 1946
7:26 AM
New Haven, Connecticut

*****

does anyone have kerry's?

*****

also, there are rumors about maybe the chimp's been drinking again. & acting crazier than nixon in his final days. these could be the "death" signs, rather than a real death. of course, there is the old '00 year "curse", where prez's elected in '00 years die in office.
the 12th & 8th house aspects, & neptune/mars/uranus/pluto dynamics seem to bode ill for the grifter.

does the '00 curse apply to those SElected as well?

then there's all the cia spooks & generals who hate the whole bushco cabal & may be working ot to soundly crush them.

all this fits with your analysis & the charts.

have you considered a chart of chimpy's inauguration?

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