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The Pit
In order to extricate themselves from the inescapable Labyrinth of the Minotaur, the mythical Icarus and his father, Daedulus, ingeniously devised for themselves wings of feather and wax. Their plan was to fly off the steep cliffs of Crete and over the ocean to a distant and safe shore. Not listening to his father’s warnings, however, Icarus, ascended far too near the immortal Sun god’s burning heat. As a result, the fragile waxen glue of his wings melted, and the heedless Icarus fell into the sea and was heard from no more. This story speaks to us of those who, in their personal feelings of exaltation, ignore warnings and feel themselves invincible in the face of tremendous odds, those who see themselves as worthy of commerce with the gods and forget they are subject to the laws of Earth. Inevitably, disaster results. A clear parallel can be seen in the actions of the Bush administration in recent years, an administration that has set itself above and beyond both international and American law in its “preemptive” military actions and its abusive treatment of prisoners. Perhaps the faltering Icarus realized his folly and attempted belatedly to descend from the heights. It may be that George Bush has chosen a similar path. After three years of reckless endangerment of the nation’s economic, military, and moral standing, Bush has lately been showing some signs of much-needed compromise. Significant concessions from the US government can now be found in the recent UN resolution concerning Iraq. After much resistance, it seems we have actually agreed to let the interim government govern, at least to some degree. Bush has also made some significant gestures of reconciliation to allied governments, suggesting he is beginning to understand the concept of multilateralism. But unfortunately, the monstrous hole he and his administration have been bulldozing since January 2001 is now so wide, so deep, and so engulfing, that escape from the pit seems close to impossible. In an extraordinary article on cbsnews.com last week, it was stated that the other members of the United Nations have lost all faith in the government of George Bush and are desperately hoping that John Kerry will defeat him in November. Moreover, a recent Washington Post article described a rebellion against the White House that is taking place in Congress. Republican legislators have been expressing their defiance of an out-of-control administration by reinvigorating their oversight function and demanding fiscal accountability. In addition, the Republican Chairman of the Armed Services Committee, Senator John Warner, is conducting an investigation into the prison abuse scandal, despite the administration’s opposition. And recently, a non-partisan group of top diplomats and foreign policy leaders has joined together to express its dismay with the current White House’s failed national security and foreign policies, unprecedentedly calling for Bush’s ouster. In short, this administration has reaped such a harvest of anger, resentment, and disrespect throughout the nation and the world due to its bullying, controlling and short-sighted agenda, that its recent attempts at compromise are likely to prove to be too little, too late. What we have been looking at astrologically is Saturn conjunct the US Sun and George Bush’s Sun. As the vise of Saturn got ever tighter, the prison abuse scandal metastasized from “a few bad apples” to torture memos approved at the “highest levels” of government. In addition, despite Bush’s recent compromises in the UN resolution, he was not able to get any commitment of increased troop levels from allies, no troops from NATO, and no significant debt reduction for Iraq. The thread running through all of Saturn’s actions is an often-forced acknowledgement of the boundaries necessitated by our humble earthly life. When we cross these boundaries, becoming too aggressive, too greedy, too grasping for power or control, Saturn forces us back to an appropriate interaction, sometimes quite painfully. As the United States government under George Bush has attempted to expand its power too far, acted with too much belligerence, arrogance, and insensitivity, and been generally irresponsible, the energy of Saturn has come in to shrink things down to an acceptable size. The UN resolution is an example of the White House being forced to pare down its grandiose and overreaching goals in Iraq, coming as it did just as the Saturn energy was at its height. The flaunting of international law and the American Constitution in the prison abuse scandal is also meeting up with the Saturnian insistence on accountability and appropriate behavior. Despite the seeming respite of a small post-Reagan hiccough in the polls, the trend has been generally downward for Bush the Younger, and this is likely to continue. The next challenging wave, in late June and the first half of July, may have to do with difficulties surrounding Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld and the prison abuse/torture policy scandal. A further unraveling in Iraq just past the June 30 transition in power is also quite possible at this juncture. Saturn will be conjunct the Bush/Rumsfeld composite Sun from June 22 through 29, suggesting some tensions in their relationship and a thwarting of their shared goals. This will then be followed by Saturn square to Bush’s Moon (6/29 – 7/7) and Jupiter (7/11 – 7/18), as well as conjunct Rumsfeld’s Sun (7/6 – 7/14). This combination of aspects indicates that Bush will be upset and somewhat depressed by events, and Rumsfeld will be forced in some way to take responsibility and humble himself. Although It seems doubtful he will resign, this would be the most likely time when it could occur. Recently, George Tenet has been under a similar aspect, Saturn opposed to his Sun, during which he announced his retirement amidst great criticism directed at his role in the colossal intelligence failures of 9/11, missing WMD’s, and the post-war Iraq debacle. The only aspect from which George Bush may derive some protection from the general aura of failure that is surrounding his administration is his progressed Venus conjunction to progressed Jupiter, which reaches its peak around August 11, 2004, after which it will begin to wane. This popularity and success-inducing aspect was given a small boost by transiting Mars from June 14 through 16, which is roughly when the “Reagan bump” helped Bush inch a notch back up in the polls. Transiting Venus will also stimulate this beneficial aspect slightly from June 20 to 22 and July 1 to July 6. It may be that Bush will be in Crawford or Kennebunkport around the July 4th holiday, enjoying the indulgence of his supporters (progressed Venus/Jupiter) but still struggling with the difficult issues described by the simultaneous Saturn square to his Moon. It is worth noting that former President George H. W. Bush’s chart also shows significant strain in July, with Saturn square his Moon and conjunct his Venus, as well as Uranus square his Midheaven. Whether this has to do with significant challenges in the former president’s life or relates to his concerns about or disagreements with his son is not clear. Another interesting configuration of current import is the movement of Neptune, the planet of deceit and obfuscation, square to the Inaugural Ascendant, waxing through June. The recent attempts by both Bush and Cheney to spin the 9/11 Commission’s findings are the most striking example of this energy. Although the Commission has very clearly stated that there was no collaboration between Saddam and al Qaida, our Chief Executive and his sidekick are still insisting that there was, despite all evidence to the contrary. We can expect increasing attempts to blur the boundary between truth and fantasy as the various issues of prisoner torture, instability in Iraq, the Plame investigation, and economic factors gain prominence in the next months. Neptune will be moving from its square to the Inaugural Ascendant into a quincunx with Bush'’s Sun and the US Sun and back again, from now through January 2005. These aspects point to an administration that will continue to play loosely with the facts, attempting to hide and obscure the ramifications of its failures and its culpability. Although the major misdeeds of the Bush White House may be in the past, from the egregious tax cuts to the dishonest war and its inept aftermath, the repercussions of these policies will continue to generate problems in the months and years ahead. And it is likely that the Bush administration will continue to dig the pit of its own destruction by its flagrant and increasingly obvious dishonesty and its inability to accept responsibility for its many devastating mistakes.
Nancy Waterman on Jun 20 | Link
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another outstanding article chronicling the demise of dimson. here is my post in the last thread. it'sparticularly appropriate here. prexy mood swings, odd behavior. they call it paranoid personality disorder. i say it's borderline personality disorder (which subsumes the paranoid diagnosis). the male version of borderline pd is the most common diagnosis of serial killers (are you surprised?): http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4704.shtml we get to watch the crack up of bush with the confidence that his underlying support in terms of resiliance is not there. welcome to the brave new world! Posted by: mike on June 20, 2004 08:51 PMmike - According to a friend of mine, the journalists on capitol hill blue are all retired and don't have to answer to or be edited by an editor. They use their old contacts and bring us what they find. I love their stuff. Bush could well be a borderline. He has traits of so many other disorders: rage, narcissism, taking everything personally, paranoid ideation, mood swings, etc. I hadn't realized that his parents didn't allow grieving for his sister. That seems to me to be a central key to understanding his pathology. As F. Scott Peck says: "All neurosis comes from the avoidance of pain." Posted by: Nancy on June 20, 2004 09:05 PMNancy, thanks for your article. I keep my fingers crossed that the stars will be on our side. In particular, I would like to see Rumsfeld pack his things and get out of the Pentagon. I've been meaning to call my local recruiter here in Portland and rant. I'm going to remind the recruiter that Rumsfeld is the head of the Pentagon, and he's not even a military man. He's a CIVILIAN. And he's certainly shown where his loyalties lie....with the contractors, mercenaries. Certainly not with the military which he has shortchanged time and time again. There's something wrong with a society which can produce people like these, and aid them for such an extended period of time. Because let's face it: Bush had PLENTY of backers, willing to push his agenda. His plans wouldn't have lasted 10 minutes if his Moneybags Backers weren't supporting him. Maybe it is time for the Global Housecleaning that I mentioned on the last thread. Wonderful Nancy! I do have a question however, and it's related to what Cliss has just said. *ush and group are like greased pigs, and it "seems" that they always manage to slip out of eveything. I'm looking for justice, full frontal exposed nudity on eveything they've done. Sometimes I feel, when reading the bloggers, that their predictions of a due date approaching is more the product of yearning. We are also so grateful for even the slightest crumb of just rewards that we've forgotten what it is like to have a full meal. In the Plame case, for instance, is there true satisfaction to be had, right down to the apple core? Also what about the American people, when exactly do they get their wake-up call, and will they respond or just hit the snooze button? I think the exasperation that is building, and in this I speak only for myself, is that this all didn't just start in 2001. My teeth were clenched during the Reagan uears and during the repub highjins during the Clinton ones. I'm fairly short on patience now, because I've been waiting for so damn long for the people of this country to get a clue. Posted by: M on June 20, 2004 10:33 PMNancy, I see some accommodation on the part of the administration, but I'm afraid it may be a farce to gain election in November. If that were to happen, we would see a return to behavior of past three+ years. Of particular interest will be the June 29/30 dates... for military aggression in Iraq has increased since Thursday --- renewed attacks on Fallujah this weekend. Again, thanks for a fine piece of analysis.
M. i sympathize with your sentiments. however, the american people had a clue when they supported clinton during the repug coup d'etat attempt over sneaky sex and they had a clue when they opposed the war in iraq prior to the corporate press doing its normal pathetic, slimy, low-down, treasonous hatched job on the anti-war movement. they have a clue now w/bush at above 50% disapproval and below 50% approval (unprecedented for any prior president who ended up winning). everybody filters their analysis through their core desires and opinions. when you use a variety of reality checks and you get what you like, it carries more weight. the nice thing is that a saturn return is a saturn return, etc. some aspects/transits are just plain lousy. when you match that up with events, you get some pretty good news. check out 'timeline of the bush residency' on nancy's dedicated site. you can go back in time and see how bushboy handled his transits, thus giving the forward look more credibility. nancy, thanks for the info on capitol hill blue. i wondered what their deal was. sounds like fun. I'm with M. Enough, already. I want to see these bastards in prison. I want the opportunity to yell at the TV, "Hey, Chimp, don't drop the soap!" It will never happen, but a girl can dream. Posted by: Lucy on June 21, 2004 12:13 AMlucy, i think the problem is that he has dropped the soap and he's loathe to admit it Posted by: mike on June 21, 2004 01:16 AMMike - You're absolutely right. they have been given clues, hundreds of them, and perhaps that makes it worse and even harder to bear. Maryanne Williamson once asked, during a lecture, do you want to be happy or do you want to be right? Right here, right now, I want to be both. You're also right about the way *ush has handled his transits and there-in is the hope. Also, I am reminded of something that I heard on the history channel during a Hitler documentary. The comment was something to the effect of, "you can always win if you forget the rules", as Icarus did, for a minute, which makes Nancy's allusion all that more pithy. Hey Lucy, I'm right there with you, and as a second to your scenario, I would love it if one day he just freaked right out in front of the cameras, thus putting an end to all future denialbility. Posted by: M. on June 21, 2004 01:43 AMThe Pluto transit to Bush's South Node, which I didn't mention in this article, is interesting. I feel like he has already done most of the damage for this term, but he is now reaping the fruits of his actions. It is all coming back to haunt him now: the Plame investigation, the Iraq mess, even the economy may take another dip (in September). I think the times to watch are: The first two weeks of July as described in the article. I'm not sure if it will be Torturegate or Iraq decompensating or both. August with Uranus coming back across the Iraqi Descendant. Will we see civil war? Already the Kurds are reclaiming their lands and expelling the Arabs who have settled there. Will there be a vioent break around that time, especially during the Mars/Mercury opposition to Uranus on August 16 to 18? I am quite concerned about terrorism at the Olympics, especially again, 8/16 to 8/18. The planets look lined up for some big explosive and violent events then. I am intending to research this further. Something signficant and sobering will come during the first half of September. I contiue to think it is some kind of economic news that will not be well received and harm Bush's reelection effort. Saturn squares his MC, semisquares his Mars (ruler of MC), and conjuncts US Mercury. Nancy, fantastic article, as always!! Thank you for sharing with us. If something like this article takes off, Bush will sure be in the pit! Guild: Bush Should Be Tried For Role In Torture National Lawyers Guild Calls For Prosecution Of President Bush For Role In Torture
More . . . . http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/WO0406/S00217.htm Posted by: Laurie on June 21, 2004 03:02 AMhttp://www.gregpalast.com/printerfriendly.cfm?artid=342 One million black votes didn't count in the 2000 presidential election It's not too hard to get your vote lost -- if some politicians want it to be lost In the 2000 presidential election, 1.9 million Americans cast ballots that no one counted. "Spoiled votes" is the technical term. The pile of ballots left to rot has a distinctly dark hue: About 1 million of them -- half of the rejected ballots -- were cast by African Americans although black voters make up only 12 percent of the electorate. This year, it could get worse. These ugly racial statistics are hidden away in the mathematical thickets of the appendices to official reports coming out of the investigation of ballot-box monkey business in Florida from the last go-'round. How do you spoil 2 million ballots? Not by leaving them out of the fridge too long. A stray mark, a jammed machine, a punch card punched twice will do it. It's easy to lose your vote, especially when some politicians want your vote lost. While investigating the 2000 ballot count in Florida for BBC Television, I saw firsthand how the spoilage game was played -- with black voters the predetermined losers. Florida's Gadsden County has the highest percentage of black voters in the state -- and the highest spoilage rate. One in 8 votes cast there in 2000 was never counted. Many voters wrote in "Al Gore." Optical reading machines rejected these because "Al" is a "stray mark." By contrast, in neighboring Tallahassee, the capital, vote spoilage was nearly zip; every vote counted. The difference? In Tallahassee's white- majority county, voters placed their ballots directly into optical scanners. If they added a stray mark, they received another ballot with instructions to correct it. In other words, in the white county, make a mistake and get another ballot; in the black county, make a mistake, your ballot is tossed. The U.S. Civil Rights Commission looked into the smelly pile of spoiled ballots and concluded that, of the 179,855 ballots invalidated by Florida officials, 53 percent were cast by black voters. In Florida, a black citizen was 10 times as likely to have a vote rejected as a white voter. But let's not get smug about Florida's Jim Crow spoilage rate. Civil Rights Commissioner Christopher Edley, recently appointed dean of Boalt Hall School of Law at UC Berkeley, took the Florida study nationwide. His team discovered the uncomfortable fact that Florida is typical of the nation. Philip Klinkner, the statistician working on the Edley investigations, concluded, "It appears that about half of all ballots spoiled in the U.S.A. -- about 1 million votes -- were cast by nonwhite voters." More.... Posted by: Pat C on June 21, 2004 03:16 AMClassified sections of the military's prisoner abuse report detail sexual assaults on women detainees Could the abuse of prisoners in Iraq have gone beyond the beatings and sexual humiliation already alleged? Unreleased, classified parts of the report on prison abuse from Major General Anthony Taguba, which were read to TIME, contain indications of mistreatment of female prisoners. In a Feb. 21 statement to Taguba, Lieut. Colonel Steven L. Jordan, former head of the Abu Ghraib interrogation center, said he had received reports "that there were members of the MI [Military Intelligence] community that had come over and done a late-night interrogation of two female detainees" last October. According to a statement by Jordan's boss, Colonel Thomas Pappas, three interrogators were later cited for violations of military law in their handling of the two females, ages 17 and 18. Senate Armed Services Committee investigators are probing whether the two women were sexually abused. The Pentagon declined to comment. More... Posted by: Pat C on June 21, 2004 03:37 AMNancy, I have been quite worried about the Olympics. I have been daily visualizing the paticipants I have seen as protected, happy and successful. Posted by: Pat C on June 21, 2004 03:42 AMhttp://salon.com/news/feature/2004/06/21/moon/print.html Hail to the Moon king
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/09/24/moon/print.html Bad Moon on the rise
The dictator who snagged me Israelis 'using Kurds to build power base' Gary Younge in New York Israeli military and intelligence operatives are active in Kurdish areas of Iran, Syria and Iraq, providing training for commando units and running covert operations that could further destabilise the entire region, according to a report in the New Yorker magazine. http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1243588,00.html Posted by: Jo on June 21, 2004 05:57 AMBrilliant as always, Nancy! I used the Icaurus metaphor too, in an essay written after the Columbia tragedy: http://hawaii.ms11.net//Freeman3-25.htm Just getting back online after missing my computer for awhile. Looks like lots to catch up on here... Posted by: Timothy on June 21, 2004 05:58 AMGreat Article Nancy. I remember Robert Hand saying that the first hit of a planet the event happens, during the retrograde period the results gather steam and by the last hit the dye is cast. So you may be right. I think with Saturn squaring his Moon (the ruler of his Sun and 12th house)we can look forward to more information leaking out from the Bush Black Hole. Maybe we should look a little more closely to Icaurus because like Timothy I too used that myth in a lecture I gave just a couple months ago. Maybe George is flying too close to the Sun (fire) Posted by: Sally on June 21, 2004 07:50 AMTimothy, fantastic essay, very informative and excellent writing. Bravo for you, hope everyone reads it. Posted by: Sally on June 21, 2004 07:52 AMAs an American expat who has been living in Warsaw, Poland for the last two years, watching and reading about unfolding events regarding the Bush administration can only be described as a combination of experiencing a bad LSD trip while viewing a particularly repulsive Freddie Krueger movie come to life. For better or for worse, I believe that the long rumored indictments promised in the Valerie Plame investigation might just finally be the last straw for the American people re Bush, Cheney, Libby, Rove, Wolfowitz (what a name!), et al. As an astrological novice, can anyone provide insight into when this might FINALLY occur and whom might indeed be charged? Posted by: Richard Astor on June 21, 2004 10:13 AMAs an American expat who has been living in Warsaw, Poland for the last two years, watching and reading about unfolding events regarding the Bush administration can only be described as a combination of experiencing a bad LSD trip while viewing a particularly repulsive Freddie Krueger movie come to life. For better or for worse, I believe that the long rumored indictments promised in the Valerie Plame investigation might just finally be the last straw for the American people re Bush, Cheney, Libby, Rove, Wolfowitz (what a name!), et al. As an astrological novice, can anyone provide insight into when this might FINALLY occur and whom might indeed be charged? Posted by: Richard Astor on June 21, 2004 10:13 AMThere is a U.K.-based website who study specifically grand quintiles, with a very interesting article about the U.S. elections. go to this website and choose "Mundane Implications" http://www.asteria.freeserve.co.uk/gq2004/ -snip- The successful candidate in the 2004 Presidential Election may be the one who can capture this dynamic in an accessible and responsible way for the US electorate. In a sense, the candidates in any election stand as embodiments of particular options or choices, and in this case the candidate who most successfully embodies the fifth harmonic process of the latter part of this year may well carry the day. One might say in this context that the one who can combine a forward-looking liberalism (Uranus-Pluto) with a solid, realistic and practical agenda for change (Saturn) will be moving with the celestial flow. Jupiter's involvement in the second GQ within days of the polling indicates that it would be auspicious and providential to be in attunement with this process throughout September and October. - much more Posted by: Laurie on June 21, 2004 02:28 PMNancy, your example of Icarus and Daedulus is right on the mark. (I haven't heard the story since I was in school, Greek Mythology, along time ago.) But your observations seem to be quite correct. An Administration hell-bent on establishing the Neo-Con agenda. And yet it seems maybe with the closeness of the 2000 election. Certain forces believed to act, and act quickly was the challenge and answer. How do we explain an Administration made up of so many 'like' souls? From Bush, Cheney. Rumsfeld, Rice, etc. To which none has officially broke with this dogma. A dogma, that calls for imperialism in the highest order, to secure certain areas (M.E.) of the globe for American interests. And now we see a more mellow? (just prior to another election), Bush Administration who would rather negotiate with Allies, and the U.N. But still has a degree of arrogance in whatever it does. (The truth cannot be hid.) A legacy as you say, of flying off into the sun. And in this case, from what I'm picking up is that the CIA and certain intelligence individuals, are beginning to realize the 'insanity' of the Bush Doctrine. Maybe this would explain so many 'leaks' to the press, that everyday is exposing and embarrassing the Bush regime. Hence maybe the CIA itself is one aspect of the Sun, that Bush has flown to close to? (Especially after the Valerie Plame incident?) Posted by: jamsmitty on June 21, 2004 03:22 PM
Neither of them did a curse to cause it to happen, but where only telling what was told to them by I belive they said "Great Master" or something like that. So it would seem that the way to break the curse is to treat the American Indian with respect by the leaders. Since someone in the Adminstration right now is in trouble for mishandling the Indian funds, I doubt that it is broken. There is also part of it that has to do with these elections (ones in zero years) being divisive for the people in the country and that wars would occur in the country during the following 7 years. So to sum up, it looks like it group presdential Karma that was predicted by one of the Indians because of the treatment of the Indians by the Americans. Regan may have had a lot more Karmic reaction because of his movies actually. It seems to me that livig to 90 something and many of those years with Alsheimers and he knew what was going to happen when he made his speech that it was a worse punishment than if he had died when the bullet hit him. I don't know if he did cowboy and Indian movies, but I think he did. Those movies did a lot of damage to the Indian race painting them as savages in the young persons minds which allowed the leaders to cheat them etc. It is logical that Harrison would have been the first, cause he spent his life fighting Indians and won the election by being an Indian fighting hero. So it is really also Karma for the American people for electing this type of president. So the chart that we need for analysis of this phenomina might be the first time an Indian was killed or cheated by the pioneers. I have been wondering for some time if there are If so. please find a way of identifying yourselves Thanks. Posted by: on June 21, 2004 04:09 PMDon't know if anyone saw this little tidbit that emerged yesterday from the 9/11 Commission regarding Cheney's comments earlier in the week regarding the connection between al Qaeda and Iraq, but here's the link to a UPI article on the matter. Evidently, something has surfaced (whether real or ginned up by this cartel) that seeks to make the link. It would appear they've given up on the WMD issue and others, and now will use the sole justification of the war with Iraq on their supposed involvement in the planning and execution of 9/11. Posted by: Susan on June 21, 2004 04:37 PMIncredible things are said in the TPM interview with Anonymous. Right now, it's the second article down. You hit it dead-on again, Nancy, for Anonymous is talking about a virtually endless occupation of the pit (war and horrors forever). Unless we change our ways. Posted by: shylurker on June 21, 2004 04:45 PMwow. that quintile website is really something. There will be two grand quintiles in October! http://www.asteria.freeserve.co.uk/gq2004/ It looks like no matter what happens it will be something we can never forget. I have never seen a post under Jean but what I have written. There is a Jeannie also. This is distintion enought I would think. Jean Posted by: Jean on June 21, 2004 05:25 PMTimothy, thank you for a really well-written article. You put into words what I have been thinking for the past 3 1/2 years. Many people feel this way. Sally wrote (I think it was 2 posts prior) that "we have now become what we fought against". We are now the aggressor around the world. A horrible role reversal; one that can not be over-emphasized. I believe the rest of the world has now understood this change. I'm not sure that this is true for the American people. As we marched to war last year, the people in my office jumped to the occasion, waving their little flags and boasting about their patriotism. One very overweight man even wore an American flag shirt which was so tight on him that he looked like a gross caricature of his love for country. As I quietly went back to work, I could only think that these people had been duped. Their very admirable sense of loyalty had been hijacked for a very sinister cause. As for myself, the revelation came hard. I'm an immigrant to this country from Sweden, and the awakening came only after I had watched Bush on TV. His eyes had a very obsessive quality to them as he swiped his fist in the air and insisted that we must do this. I've finally accepted the fact that we are now an exporter of dictatorships as we prop up thugs in countries around the world where we desire their assets. We And the real problem is this: as we take away freedoms around the world by installing dictatorships, our freedoms here at home will be restricted to the same degree. It's a linear relationship. If we torture people in other countries, it's on its way right here at home. Because a ruling elite will not distinguish the difference between external threats versus internal threats. They'll just as gladly crack down on domestic dissidents as they will in downtown Baghdad. Therein lies the danger. I wonder if they'll see it in time. I remember reading at the DU: "the American people are the only ones they truly fear". Posted by: Cliss on June 21, 2004 05:39 PM Very interesting, and apparently very readable book. Think I'll buy a few copies to send to relatives in the Deep South. http://www.henryholt.com/holt/whatsthematter.html Wonderful article, Timothy. Thanks ever so much for sharing it. Posted by: shylurker on June 21, 2004 05:59 PMThis is another take on the Saturn conjunction to Bush and the US Sun and square to US Saturn. It's from the Tremont Tearoom in Boston. I do agree that this is the way the transiting Saturn seems to have worked out. Last year my concern was there would be more restrictions for the US. Saturn transits do have a delayed action and we may not have seen all the ramifications as yet. But this article does show another perspective.
Americans had a close encounter with Saturn last week, but on more levels than the daily news media could report. As those who track the planets know, transiting Saturn was conjunct the U.S. Sun on Thursday, June 10. The Sun in our national horoscope represents its leadership, and during the entire week the nation mourned for its fallen leader Ronald Reagan, as well as Ray Charles who died on Thursday. In the Scorpio Rising horoscope of the United States, Saturn is found in the Eleventh House of allies and organizations. With Saturn approaching the square to its own place, President Bush made some remarkable progress in the international community, forging improved ties with the United Nations, NATO, and the economic superstars at the G-8 summit. Bush needed these friends to advance his program in Iraq . Saturn was testing his willingness and ability* to carry out this celestial mandate. Meanwhile, NASA's spacecraft Cassini arrived at the outer edge of Saturn and began taking pictures of Phoebe, which orbits Saturn backwards. Theoretically, Phoebe is a captured comet or asteroid, and by seeing how it got attached to Saturn, scientists hope to better understand the underlying structure of our solar system. From the personal to the interstellar, Saturn's message is all about building solid structure through a better understanding of the way our collective reality works." Thanks for a great article, Nancy~ I love the wonderful imagery of Icarus and Daedulus representing Bu$h the Smarter and Dimson. I've been thinking a lot about the labyrinth we all reside in, and I found a great offbeat factoid this weekend that I want to share with all of the Astroworlders. Do ya'll know what "cattle guards" are? For those that may not, when you have an enclosed space for cattle, ranchers will frequently dig a hole at the gate and install rounded cylinders across it. Cars and people can drive over the guard no problem, but the hooves of the cattle slip through and they can't walk across it. Keeps them penned in, effectively. It's worked for generations. It turns out that this method is so effective with the cattle that they instinctively avoid anything that even appears to be a cattle guard. Ranchers have started just painting lines across the dirt and it fools the cattle enough to work! Think on that for a moment ~ let's have all the writers and readers keep a sharp eye out while Bu$h goes down. The cabal in the government are painting a lot of cattle guards, you dig? Namaste~ Soldier's lawyer wins right to question top commanders Lawyers for a former New Jersey reservist charged in the Iraq prisoner abuse case won the right Monday to question top United States military commanders about whether they had approved or encouraged the type of harsh treatment used on detainees at the Abu Ghraib prison. In his New Jersey hometown, Sgt. Javal S. Davis' father said President Bush knew the type of tactics low-level soldiers were ordered to use against detainees at the Abu Ghraib prison, and said his son's lawyers should be allowed to question the president and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld under oath. More.... Posted by: Pat C on June 21, 2004 07:45 PMThe Multi Vibes of Saturn may have a slightly different twist. On July 1 when Iraq becomes "sovereign" it will be impowered like any nation to make contracts and agreements in its own right and since, as I understand it, complete control of the oil reserves in Iraq will also flow to the Iraqui interium government at the change over, the Europeans have no reason to withhold agreement with Mr. Bush.....in less than two weeks nothing he says will matter any way as the Europeans see it and they can make agreements direct with the Iraquis and you can bet they will as they have long term interests in where the oil in Iraq goes....as do the Chinese. Essentially, at the turn over we may no longer have any "program" to protect be it democratic or otherwise. The only thing we are going to be left with is policing a chaotic nation and taking all the blame for everything..... The only friends we actually have inside Iraq are in the North and the Kurds are on the march south to reclaim the vast holdings that Saddam took from them.....they are well armed, have lived with and by democratic rules for a long time, and are mad as all get out. If we fail to manage the Kurdish situation well, we are toast. There is nothing in Mr. Bush's actions or statements at this time to indicate that he has reached any level of "enlightenment" about what he has created, the lies he has told or the future realities. Indeed he actually clings to the notion that the Al Quaeda and Saddam were in cahoots. Without some indication of a shift in his consciousness Saturn will bring him to his knees come Fall. Ann Posted by: Ann on June 21, 2004 07:47 PMDommael, ---------- Sally, You posted above: "With Saturn approaching the square to its own place, President Bush made some remarkable progress in the international community, forging improved ties with the United Nations, NATO, and the economic superstars at the G-8 summit. Bush needed these friends to advance his program in Iraq . Saturn was testing his willingness and ability* to carry out this celestial mandate." Most of the analyses I've read on those events deduce that Bush made very little progress... and that in fact these international "friends" are not planning to do anything to help Dubya but instead are waiting for Kerry. So, whether Bush failed Saturn's test or not is apparently debatable. Namaste
I believe you're right, Jo, those maybe more accurately called "cattle *gates*." Maybe I'm thinking of them as "guards" because subconsciously I want the cattle to BUST OUT and make a break for it! (hence it's guarding the ranchers from the cattle, not the other way around. Hey, I can't help it if I think backwards!) In any case, nothing is true. Everything is permitted. Scrutinizing the underlying structure of our collective reality is where it's at. Look out! There go the cattle! Thanks for the movie tip, I'll check it out! JO: I am not promoting or defending the above post, I am passing along another astrological perspective from the TREEMONT TEAROOM. Posted by: Sally on June 21, 2004 08:37 PMQuick, somebody give me a barf bag. This USA Today reporter is asking Cheney to step aside so Bush can choose another running mate to maximize his re-election, and, at the same time (ugggghhhh), "win one for the Gipper!" He actually used that line (barf) !!! Other than that, the fact that Cheney may do exactly that is a scarey proposition. (Meanwhile, more cheerful news at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x635813)
By James P. Gannon
I am writing to you as a long-time admirer. Ever since you rose to prominence 30 years ago -- when you became chief of staff to President Gerald Ford and I was a Wall Street Journal reporter covering economic policy in the Ford administration -- you seemed to embody the qualities needed at the right hand of the president. Your competence, calmness amid crisis and absolute devotion to duty were obvious then, as now. For nearly four years now, you have been a loyal and hard-working partner in the presidency of George W. Bush. Your experience, steadiness and character surely have given the president strength in these difficult times. I believe you have always considered first what is best for the president, and only secondly what is best for Dick Cheney. That question arises now in this election year. Forgive me for suggesting that self-sacrifice may be the greatest service you can render to President Bush in what promises to be a closely contested election. You must ask yourself now if your continued presence by his side will offer strength or weakness to the Republican ticket in November, and what it will mean for GOP prospects in the future. Nobody knows better than you do that you have become a lightning rod for criticism, and a favorite target for your party's political opponents. Fair or not, it is simply too easy to paint Dick Cheney as a tool of the oil industry, a too-eager advocate of war in Iraq and a too-gullible supporter of the now-disgraced Ahmad Chalabi, who fed the Bush administration false intelligence on Iraq. Your former company, Halliburton, is a political albatross around your neck, weighing down not only you but also President Bush. condt : http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20040621/6303254s.htm Sharon Katz, "barf" is definitely in order. What kind of jerk is that reporter to siphoning huge amounts of our tax money to Halliburton, et al? The first part of your post had a hopeful note (you should have put that at the end so you wouldn't leave us heaving--haha) but the link to DU won't work for me. Do you remember the name of the thread? Many thnx Posted by: shylurker on June 21, 2004 09:20 PMSally, Namaste Posted by: Jo on June 21, 2004 09:23 PMHere ya go, Skylurker et al. Third parties on right could be problem for Bush http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040621/lf_nm/campa... WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Moses Murphy was as Republican as they come. The 27-year-old former Marine always voted a straight ticket and his Jeep Cherokee sported three "Bush-Cheney '04" bumper stickers. But two months ago as the Boardsman, Ohio, resident was surfing the Internet, he came across the Web site for the Constitution Party, a small, conservative group still struggling to be on the ballot in every state. Off came the Bush paraphernalia and now Murphy's Jeep is plastered with stickers for Michael Peroutka, the Constitution Party's little-known presidential nominee. Media attention has focused on Ralph Nader (news - web sites) as a potential spoiler to presumptive Democratic nominee John Kerry (news - web sites), but President Bush (news - web sites) could face a similar threat from third party candidates on the right.
Many thanks, Sharon. Let us hope. Posted by: shylurker on June 21, 2004 11:29 PM'third parties', love 'em. sharon, check out the libertarians. they are a group of well-heeled folks who want no government, anywhere: no foreign invasions, no sex/drug/sin laws, no income tax. they've been around for a couple of decades -- seems like some counter-culter folks who got rich and others who are just adamant about any government intrusion. if they're on the ballot, which they tend to be, they'll be a nice alternative to bush. on nader, the conflict of interest issue with his campaign headquartered w/a nonprofit isn't going away. i think he'll use the wellbeing of the nation as an excuse to drop out later in the summer, early fall. ps. the libertarian party is not to be excused with the libertine party (which has been around since the start of civilization). Posted by: mike on June 21, 2004 11:34 PMVery interesting Poll from ABC/Washington Post which, I think, clearly shows the effects of Saturn on Bush. Hopefully the link works: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58293-2004Jun21.html Jonathan Posted by: Jonathan on June 21, 2004 11:46 PMNews Channel 8 has learned that CT GOP Gov John Rowland will resign tonight 6/21/04 at 6:00 PM Posted by: JoannaOregon on June 22, 2004 12:59 AMhttp://www.indiancountry.com/?1086105944&style=printable&style=printable Skull and Bones, heart of darkness in America
Thompson said horrible things are happening in the world today as a result of the defilement of the sacred, including defacing sacred Mount Graham with a complex of telescopes and the unearthing of Geronimo’s remains by Prescott Bush. "In tribal traditions, only witchcraft people dig up these bones," Thompson said of the defilement of the grave by President George W. Bush’s grandfather Prescott Bush, as recorded in a Skull and Bones log entry provided to San Carlos Apaches. Thompson said the truth about the war in Iraq is now being exposed, linking the Bush family pressure for a pipeline in the Middle East, the war in Afghanistan and attacks of Sept. 11. Thompson said this dark path was present when the grave of Geronimo was desecrated. Interviewed on the day of the release of the video of the beheading of Nicholas Berg, Thompson said everything is out of control. Referring to the series of events leading up to today, Thompson said of President Bush, "Now he is in deep trouble." Thompson said the world’s equilibrium becomes imbalanced when there is a violation of the sacred, as evidenced by recent violence and murders on the campus of the University of Arizona in Tucson. The university has taken the lead in the international consortium responsible for the telescopes on Mount Graham. "When you destroy sacred places, sacred mountains, these things happen," Thompson said. Members of the Skull and Bones Society, based at Yale University in Connecticut, have long held power in the United States. Bonesmen have included Presidents Taft and Bush and members of the Supreme Court, CIA and Homeland Security. The men who oversaw the production of the first atomic bomb were members of Skull and Bones, wrote Alexendra Robbins in the book "Secrets of the Tomb." The group of Bonesmen who oversaw the construction and deployment of the first atomic bomb included Henry Stimson, George L. Harrison, Robert A. Lovett, Averell Harriman and Harvey H. Bundy. An assistant to the secretary of war, John J. McCloy, later became chairman of Chase Bank and president of the World Bank, protested by indigenous people worldwide for exploitation of natural resources and violations of indigenous land rights. More... Posted by: Pat C on June 22, 2004 01:18 AMPatC, I was JUST READING something along the same lines today!!! Synchronicity......... I'm trying to find it.., will post it when I do. I am also just catching up on all the posts. Nancy, fantastic analysis & writing. You're awesome. Posted by: Peg on June 22, 2004 02:13 AMthus reading all these cheerful online poker songs as melancholy and masochistic slot and self-abnegating "underneath."Today online casino at the Film Festival it was Chris casino Petit's London Orbital, based on gambling the book about the M25 by Iain Sinclair. casino gambling Like Mark, I'm a bit ambivalent about casino gambling Sinclair's writing (although I've poker only read bits of it, mainly in the gambling online Posted by: slot machine on June 22, 2004 02:37 AMhttp://www.thenation.com/thebeat/index.mhtml?bid=1&pid=1498 Who Was Really In Charge? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5251871/site/newsweek I'm still laughing at the photo of Rev. Moon and wife in their royal costumes. If it weren't so scarily true it would be burlesque. So pathetic and yeah he's a Christian dissing Jesus, such hypocrisy On Air America the Rev Moon sound card has him screaming away. The Majority Report plays it for comic relief followed by Archie Bunker saying. 'you're a meathead". Yes, I have weird sense of humor but it's better than feeling depressed by the news. Posted by: bhakti on June 22, 2004 03:00 AMAnd speaking of sacred places, there cld almost be no more colossal on-purpose desecration than the ole anglo supremacist boy carving his surrogates on Mt Rushmore. That's bothered me terribly even since a child. http://t3.preservice.org/T0211461/history/ Mmmm... the URL's title is "presidents on the rocks." THAT cld be loaded meaning. ;O) Posted by: JoannaOregon on June 22, 2004 04:38 AMMe, too, Pat... I'll send some money to Ganny D! She'd be a tremendous breath of fresh air! Blessed Be. Posted by: JoannaOregon on June 22, 2004 04:44 AMOf course, I meant "Granny." ;O) Posted by: JoannaOregon on June 22, 2004 04:45 AMhttp://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/06/22/gill/print.html How secure is the Department of Homeland Security? The policy director for the Department of Homeland Security's intelligence division was briefly removed from his job in March when the Federal Bureau of Investigation discovered he had failed to disclose his association with Abdurahman Alamoudi, a jailed American Muslim leader. Alamoudi was indicted last year on terrorism-related money-laundering charges and now claims to have been part of a plot to assassinate Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Abdullah.
The FBI raised concerns with Homeland Security officials in March after discovering that Gill had failed to list on security clearance documents his work in 2001 with the American Muslim Council, the officials said. The advocacy group, which was controlled by Alamoudi, has been under scrutiny in an investigation of terrorism financing. The lead agent in that investigation works for an arm of Homeland Security. Gill's omission of the information on his "Standard Form 86" national security questionnaire is a potential felony violation. There is no evidence, however, that Gill has taken any action to compromise national security. More.... Posted by: Pat C on June 22, 2004 05:14 AMOh, man, this is heavy duty! Go get your day pass--read this: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/06/22/gill/index.html Way to go, Grover! Posted by: shylurker on June 22, 2004 05:34 AMSally, re: "the tearoom article" It is astonishing that the author claims dimson's activities at the G 8 meeting as successful - is this the Rove answer to counter-act real astrologers? or just a badly informed author? or a True, if you have been doing the right thing, are on the right path, Saturn will stabilize and lend you approval. In this case it did not,and has not Someone should inform them they missed the mark. Posted by: Pallas18 on June 22, 2004 06:18 AMmy re-post tonite from "Mr. Smith" Hi all. Best news is that Morgana's MRI is clear. Congratulations Morgana - MEM HEY SHIN Sally mentions Mars currently passing US Mercury yesterday, the synchronicity result: the Supreme Court nullified the 5th amendment by certifying that if the police stop you on any pretext (for which he can come up with "a or any" reason,) they are allowed to ask and you must give your name (if using the US Gemini rising chart, Mercury is the ruler of chart and the country and the Constitution), therefore this was one more attack on the US Constitution. (It also could validate some who believe the Gemini rising chart is the chart for the US). Sally,in answer to your weather question: there were televised serious warnings today of dangerous lightning, winds up to 60 mph, hail possible, severe weather, take cover" from Miami And Sally was right, new inventions (fuel mixture) on the 224 year Venus Rx. First private space flight today. And finally: a revelation previously unknown to us I think: dimson, as revealed in the book I will not make a comment here. Other than if dimson wasn't such a coward he would have taken Saddam up on his offer to fight him personally instead of sending the American people's children to kill Iraqi's people's children and to be killed themselves. Okay I will make a comment. The entire world would have been better off had FDR jailed the grandfather Prescott and saved the entire world from the rest of this bloodthirsty greedy conniving family.
There are always two or three ways to read energy, this was what they say. I don't agree with the interpretation but I acknowledge that from a certain limited perspective it can be considered accurate. Reagan (whether I like him or not) was considered a great President by a part of the nation that suffers from a dissociative disorder and thereby considered a "father" figure. The death of that "father" figure can, from an astrologers point of view, be consistant with Saturn conjunct the Sun and square Saturn. It's not by accident that the press has in many ways (and perhaps Rove) tried to associate Bush as the "un-named" son of Ronald Reagan. As for the G8 Summit, he did have some successes there, even though few, he did seemingly make an effort to include the UN and NATO and other nations, no matter what I may subjectively consider his hidden motives. From a shallow point their delineation is correct, much as an astrologer might say "a Libra focuses on balance," that is correct but it doesn't go very far and neither did they. Posted by: Sally on June 22, 2004 06:55 AM Pallas: Birth of Constitution Ratification 6-21-1788 THE POWER OF PRAYER While cruising the DU, I accidentally stumbled upon a web site which heavily supports BeelzeBush and his administration of BushenJammer Kids. There were some loving photos of him, looking noble and wise. The web site admonished all comers to "pray constantly for the success of our leader". We are supposed to pray to God to keep this man in office, in particular for a 2nd term. There was mention of the "holy endeavor in the Middle East" = Christian Crusade. I've read many times that Bush has a legion of faithful followers praying for him, 24/7. We all know the incredible power of prayer. People have been saved from death's door through intercession of appeals for their life to be spared. There are too many instances of these miracles to be counted. So here's my question: if Bush is upheld by a jet stream of ignorant but passionate supplicants, what can we do about this? This has bothered me greatly for several years; the idea that followers, ignorant though they may be, have the power to keep even a sinister person in power because they pray for him? How can we combat this? Should we pray for his demise or an untimely meeting with a semi-truck? Posted by: Cliss on June 22, 2004 07:04 AM Cliss, perhaps it would be best to pray for what YOU want, such as removal of Bush and all who are part of that power structure from office and any effective position to undermine the constitution of the United States. Any way you can keep your prayers positive, the more powerful they will be all around. You can even pray that all of them be healed if they are willing. I like to viaualize them all, including the talking heads, mute, and being taught by the higher good so that they can evolve if they choose. I always see them retired to private life with no connection to any of their privious work. Gardening and animal rescue would be nice. Posted by: Pat C on June 22, 2004 08:28 AMWell my my, aren't we something??!! We're gonna give Saddam over to Iraq, but not physically??!! Is this weird or what??!! U.S. to Give 'Legal' Custody of Saddam to Iraqis 18 minutes ago Add Top Stories - Reuters to My Yahoo! We understand the importance of transferring the high-value detainees to the Iraqi interim government upon their request, which we anticipate will be received shortly after July 1," the official in Iraq (news - web sites)'s U.S.-led administration said. More http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&u=/nm/20040622/ts_nm/iraq_saddam_dc_1 Posted by: Laurie on June 22, 2004 11:28 AMTuesday, June 22, 2004 Monday's toll (still incomplete but more complete than any one article I saw in any one language): Guerrillas sent a videotape to Associated Press with views of four US Marines lying dead in a walled compound in Ramadi, west of Baghdad. The bodies appear to have been looted. Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt confirmed the deaths. Elsewhere in al-Anbar province, according to the US military spokesman, "Four US Marines assigned to the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force were killed on the 21st of June in the Al-Anbar province conducting security and stability operations." In Baghdad, guerrillas launched a mortar attack that killed one US soldier and wounded 7 others, according to AP. At 9:35 am in Gayara near Mosul in the north, a roadside bomb killed 5 Iraqi contractors who were apparently with a US military convoy at the time. Also in the north, just south of Kirkuk, Arab and Turkmen militias fought a half-hour gunbattle with one another, leaving one dead on each side, at Majma` al-Nahrawan. (This according to al-Hayat. Most Arabs in that area had been settled there by Saddam Hussein in an attempt to Arabize the north, and to marginalize the Kurds and Turkmen who predominated there. Now the latter are returning to their homes and taking back their property, and 10,000 Arabs are said to have been expelled. The local police chief confirmed that the fight was over land occupied by immigrant Arabs, the original ownership of which the Turkmen claim. The incident is more evidence that the Kirkuk region, with its Turkmen, Kurdish and Arab populations, is highly volatile. Arabs and Kurds have clashed. Shiite Turkmen and Sunni Kurds have clashed. And now Arabs and Turkmen are fighting. So far only the Christians and Yazidis haven't fielded militias, and even the Christians are demanding a semi-autonomous zone in Ninevah province. ----------------- Is it my state of ignorance, or has the media ceased reporting the deaths of US troops in Iraq? From Juan Cole's numbers posted at his website, June appears to me to be as high in numbers as April... Posted by: Jo on June 22, 2004 01:05 PMSomething else the American public is shielded from knowing anything about, thanks to the State Media... Will the World Give US War Crimes Immunity? http://www.antiwar.com/lobe/?articleid=2851 http://nytimes.com/2004/06/22/opinion/22KRUG.html Noonday in the Shade In April 2003, John Ashcroft's Justice Department disrupted what appears to have been a horrifying terrorist plot. In the small town of Noonday, Tex., F.B.I. agents discovered a weapons cache containing fully automatic machine guns, remote-controlled explosive devices disguised as briefcases, 60 pipe bombs and a chemical weapon — a cyanide bomb — big enough to kill everyone in a 30,000-square-foot building. Strangely, though, the attorney general didn't call a press conference to announce the discovery of the weapons cache, or the arrest of William Krar, its owner. He didn't even issue a press release. This was, to say the least, out of character. Jose Padilla, the accused "dirty bomber," didn't have any bomb-making material or even a plausible way to acquire such material, yet Mr. Ashcroft put him on front pages around the world. Mr. Krar was caught with an actual chemical bomb, yet Mr. Ashcroft acted as if nothing had happened. Incidentally, if Mr. Ashcroft's intention was to keep the case low-profile, the media have been highly cooperative. To this day, the Noonday conspiracy has received little national coverage. At this point, I have the usual problem. Writing about John Ashcroft poses the same difficulties as writing about the Bush administration in general, only more so: the truth about his malfeasance is so extreme that it's hard to avoid sounding shrill. snip.... After 9/11, he ordered that all government lists — including voter registration, immigration and driver's license lists — be checked for links to terrorists. All government lists, that is, except one: he specifically prohibited the F.B.I. from examining background checks on gun purchasers. Mr. Ashcroft told Congress that the law prohibits the use of those background checks for other purposes — but he didn't tell Congress that his own staff had concluded that no such prohibition exists. Mr. Ashcroft issued a directive, later put into law, requiring that records of background checks on gun buyers be destroyed after only one business day. And we needn't imagine that Mr. Ashcroft was deeply concerned about protecting the public's privacy. After all, a few months ago he took the unprecedented step of subpoenaing the hospital records of women who have had late-term abortions. After my last piece on Mr. Ashcroft, some readers questioned whether he is really the worst attorney general ever. It's true that he has some stiff competition from the likes of John Mitchell, who served under Richard Nixon. But once the full record of his misdeeds in office is revealed, I think Mr. Ashcroft will stand head and shoulders below the rest. Posted by: Pat C on June 22, 2004 02:49 PMStates that enter into “impunity agreements” with the US or refuse to arrest and surrender persons accused by the International Criminal Court risk violating their obligations under international law to bring to justice those responsible for genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes. This is particularly true if states do not investigate and, if there is sufficient admissible evidence, prosecute such persons or extradite such persons to a state that will fulfill its international responsibilities. The 78 countries that have ratified the Rome Statute are obliged under international law to comply with requests by the International Criminal Court to arrest and surrender persons accused of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes. Signing an impunity agreement with the US is contrary to obligations under the Statute. The 139 countries that have signed the Rome Statute are obliged by international law not to take any steps that would undermine the Rome Statute. Signing an impunity agreement with the US is against the object and purpose of the Statute. http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/2002/usa09032002.html “The legal basis for these agreements is as unsound as the US’s rationale for seeking them,” said Vienna Colucci, AIUSA’s International Justice Specialist. “The Bush Administration is peddling a snake-oil cure for some imagined conspiracy to indict US officials, and states should not weaken their resolve in the face of US pressure to sign these unlawful agreements.” Posted by: Pat C on June 22, 2004 02:58 PMhttp://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=an2PglqyE_5I&refer=news_index Carlyle in Talks With Japan Banks for Buyout Openings Carlyle is discussing with UFJ, Mizuho Financial Group Inc. and Sumitomo Mitsui Banking Corp. about investing in some of their customers' profitable businesses that need cash, said James A. Attwood Jr., a managing director at Washington-based Carlyle. Posted by: Pat C on June 22, 2004 03:11 PMMadame Sally, Once again thank you for birthdata. Concerning the tearoom report, "that's my story and I'm sticking to it". "As for the G8 Summit, he did have some successes there, even though few, he did seemingly make an effort to include the UN and NATO and other nations, " Certainly he made an effort to involve Nato, Germany, France and the UN, most of which was spurned. Therefore I don't find the tearoom report accurate unless "effort" without accomplishment is given an A+. It's similar to turning over Saddam to the new government, but not physically. Du-huh? Posted by: Pallas18 on June 22, 2004 04:04 PMHeadline on Compuserve: Rumsfeld OK'd 'Water Torture' of 9/11 Suspects Just for fun, google "Rumsfeld okayed torture" surprising how many newspaper sites reporting various items on it since May. Posted by: Pallas18 on June 22, 2004 04:14 PM* Letter to the Iraqi People ...an independent, non-partisan, grassroots initiative undertaken by a group of friends residing mostly in New England. At a time when distrust, hatred, & violence escalate out of control in many parts of the world, we feel an urgent need to communicate people to people, & to do so as openly, honestly, & directly as we can. In that spirit, we offer this "open letter" to the people of Iraq from people of the US. We hope you will want to add your name as one of the signers. Our intention is to send this letter - with the names of as many signers as possible - to a range of media outlets in or near Iraq by Aug 1, 2004. We will also issue a press release concerning the letter to media outlets in the US at the time the letter is sent to Iraq. We recognize that this letter is only one small effort to restore the world & we believe that each of us must act in our own way to live up to the responsibility this letter names. ... THANK YOU! - The Project Team: Jo Comerford, Roger Conant, Melissa Elliott, Ann Gibson, Randy Kehler, Peter Lems, Mary McClintock, Rick McDowell, & Mary Trotochaud. http://lettertotheiraqipeople.org/ Posted by: JoannaOregon on June 22, 2004 05:14 PMWhat the heck is up with turning Saddam over legally but not physically?!? How much more ridiculous and farcical can the "news" get? President George Bu$h presented a small fetish object to leaders of the newly created interim Iraqi government on Tuesday. A combination of toenail clippings, facial hair and slightly used q-tips bound together and dipped in baba ganouj, the object contains the "soul, vital essence and nasty demeanor" of the former dictator. President Bu$h assured council members that possession of the object gives them various "supernatural abilities and unholy powers." Saddam Hussein's physical body will remain in U.S. custody for the foreseeable future. if they had the REAL Saddam, then maybe they could consider it, but by having one of his doubles, there's no question his physical custody can't be turned over. Posted by: Peg on June 22, 2004 05:29 PMPeg: Now wouldn't that be something if they had a double and not Saddam or if he is already dead from torture and beatings. Ha, what a thought that even in the end Saddam brings down the 2nd Bush. Posted by: Sally on June 22, 2004 05:52 PMPer Vedic astrology analysis of shrub's chart, :-) Posted by: Pat C on June 22, 2004 10:11 PMnice, Raj. Sally, it's pretty commonly accepted all over the world except the U.S. (of course) that it's Saddam's double. It's also pretty interesting how the South Korean beheaded today, the third killing by "Al Quaeda", was also given the benefit of changing into a pretty orange prison jumpsuit: "A videotape of Kim, apparently made shortly before his death and aired on Al-Jazeera television, showed him kneeling, blindfolded and wearing an orange jumpsuit similar to those issued to prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba." Posted by: Peg on June 22, 2004 10:24 PMSally, "Also last week, the 9-11 commission stated unequivocally that there was no collaboration between Saddam and Al Qaeda. Astrology can play an interesting role here by cross-checking the timing with Iraq's national horoscope (August 23, 1921; 6:00 am; Baghdad). Iraq's Twelfth House Mars is located at twelve degrees Leo (12Leo38), and describes the potential for secret military operations. On September 11, 2001 transiting Pluto was at twelve degrees Sagittarius (12SAG38) where it formed a precise, exact-to-the minute trine to the Twelfth House Mars. The nature of this Mars-Pluto contact is the perfect planetary signature* for such a devastating attack. However, no credible evidence has been made public that would support this link. Is the precise Mars-Pluto aspect proof of collaboration? At the very least, it shows that the War on Terror is a Global War, and 9-11 was only the opening salvo." Is this guy working for BushCo. or what? What do you astute astrologers thinks of this "signature"? Posted by: Timothy on June 22, 2004 10:42 PMIf any of you who visit this site know of a massacre of 3000 talibans(who surrendered) in Afgh Raj, I do remember that. Try Amy Goodman's site. Posted by: Pat C on June 22, 2004 11:01 PMRaj, I heard about this video right about the time of the first beheading of a person captured under mysterious circumstances and given an orange Gitmo jumpsuit by a dead, one-legged terrorist boogeyman. Bartcop had a link (which never loaded for me) on his website, and he said that it was the most gruesome thing he'd ever seen. I made a post in the Astroworld thread at the time but I never heard anything else about it until you brought it up just now. I wonder if this is part of the threatening-to-be-released second wave of videos or part of the "tectonic upheavals" Josh Marshall was referring to. Raj, here's some info on that video: http://www.acftv.com/archive/article.asp?archive_id=1 Posted by: shylurker on June 22, 2004 11:21 PMHere's something to raise the hackles. In an article appearing on WorldNet Daily News (I don't put too much store in this site, but I've seen it elsewhere also) "President Bush plans to unveil next month a sweeping mental health initiative that recommends screening for every citizen and promotes the use of expensive antidepressants and antipsychotic drugs favored by supporters of the administration. Now I don't know about you, but the idea of these guys 'screening' me for my 'mental health' makes me want to board the next outbound flight for Canada, Mexico or elsewhere. I find it particularly interesting that instead of confining patients in treatment centers, they will instead be 'medicated' for their 'disorders' and be integrated and 'functioning' members of society. I guess this is a win-win for the cartel and their corporate sponsors, the big drug companies. Talk about shuffling off to the gulag... So, just like in in the former Soviet Union, you risk being medicated or lobotomized (or disappeared?) if you speak out about system. (Think about how Al Gore and others, including Ellen Mariani the 9/11 widow who filed the RICO lawsuit - have been labeled as mentallyl ill, losing it.). We'll have a nation of medicated robots - Stepford Citizens - if the bushistas have their way. Remember it was Reagan who turned the mental patients out of the institutions into the streets, ergo homeless... Screening --- does this mean children who don't pass get sent to some facilitiy for R&D by the drug companies. Folks in this country are already over medicated (and Nancy wanted us to "Just Say No") --- talk about opportunity for mind control! And how and who will do the screening? Think about the controversy over I.Q. tests and multiply that 100 fold... Posted by: Jo on June 22, 2004 11:49 PMhttp://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/norad/docs/intercept_proc.pdf In June 2001, a change was made to the rules regarding military interception of hijacked aircraft. Under the rule change, regional air commanders could no longer order an intercept on their own authority. Authorization to launch interceptors had to come from Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. On 9-11, that authorization was not granted until it was too late.
Posted on Salon: "a "comprehensive study of the United States mental health service delivery system." AKA: How To Boost Drug Company Profits My spouse had a doc appt. the other day where a drug company rep SAT IN ON THE APPOINTMENT - (hubbie thought he was a resident). They are getting bolder and bolder. They also are recommending drugs for non-prescribed useage - which will get them into hotter water. It's all about the money - not the medicine." and "They also are recommending drugs for non-prescribed useage - which will get them into hotter water. And if the Bushie Supreme Court has their way - you won't be able to sue if you are harmed by their inaction and conflicted research - or complete lack of research." CNN wants to know if you think torture is ever justified for getting information from terrorists. (60% are saying Yes.) Posted by: on June 23, 2004 12:03 AMWolfstar is a buschie hack imo for the gaggle of fundamentalists, who are also into astrology. Remember, nancy reagan had her own astrologer to whom she closely listened is the scuttlebutt. Posted by: JoannaOregon on June 23, 2004 12:14 AM CNN POLL Revolting Sorry I forgot to sign my post up above about the cnn poll on torture (the first one). Posted by: shylurker on June 23, 2004 12:25 AMJo & Dommael--In South GA, we called them "cattle gaps." Posted by: shylurker on June 23, 2004 12:27 AMPat C, shylurker, Dommael, This administration is the most draconian I can remember in all of our history. Posted by: Pat C on June 23, 2004 12:37 AMOh, don't worry, Pat C. Pretty soon they'll have us all on psychotropic drugs and things will then seem ever so much better. Arrrrrrrgh! Posted by: shylurker on June 23, 2004 12:43 AMYes, that's what worried me shylurker. Posted by: Pat C on June 23, 2004 12:49 AMI think the Supreme Court will be done with this term in a few weeks. Have any of the astrologers here taken a look at the Supreme Court? I think this is the time when any Justice who is planning retirement would do so. The Bushies could ......... well, you know. Posted by: Pat C on June 23, 2004 01:43 AMmaybe they have qualudes in mind (lol). That post by Wolfstar is really upending astrology. I am sure that someone here has a planet at 12 Leo. Does that mean this person is directly involved in the War on Terror? I don't think you can work it from this angle. I think he is grasping at straws here. There could have been a whole other set of circumstances going on in Iraq that has to do with transiting Pluto trine natal Mars in September 2001. My hubby works for NIMH, and I sent him the aricle about Bush wanting to screen us all for mental illness. He said it is complete bull. It could never happen. My own thought was that it would be way too expensive to do anything even close to what is suggested. They just don't have the money for something like this. It isn't like checking your vision and hearing (which they do do in the schools). You can't spend two minutes with someone and determine if they are bipolar or depressed or most other diagnoses. Posted by: Nancy on June 23, 2004 02:20 AMI agree completely, Nancy, that it doesn't have a chance. Even if it did, and even if it looked like a good thing, they'd treat it the same way as their "No Child Left Behind" initiative. I'd be content to know exactly which loonies put this out there. Smirky should be the first participant in any such program, dontcha think? Yeah, Mike, quaaludes. Posted by: shylurker on June 23, 2004 02:27 AMThere were a couple of speeches shrubbie gave when he was definitely on some kind of tranquilizer. I haven't seen it lately, but there were a few of them a year or so ago. And if he isn't running... Posted by: Nancy on June 23, 2004 02:32 AMIn a month or so I don't think I'll recognize America. We are lost and at the point of no return if people don't rise up and say NO to this sick administration testing people for mental illness. I think they should start the testing with themselves then lock themselves up in a mental hospital or prison. Posted by: Janet on June 23, 2004 02:36 AMFrom Drudge:
Washington, DC-- In a major Washington policy address this Thursday, former Vice President Al Gore will accuse the Bush Administration of intentionally misleading the American people by continuing to falsely claim a connection between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda. He will charge that Bush and Cheney have "institutionalized dishonesty as an essential element of their policy process." Gore will also urge the broadcast media to further resist Administration efforts to manipulate and intimidate them, to fearlessly report the fact that there is no Al Qaeda/Saddam collaborative relationship, as the 9/11 Commission staff report has concluded. Gore will also discuss the implications of the Administration's claim to be above the law in ordering the torture of suspects - and their claim that the Commander in Chief's power trumps all other laws. He will call for the Administration to reveal all orders given the military on the treatment of prisoners. Posted by: Nancy on June 23, 2004 02:36 AMNancy just reminded me, Mike, of something I've been meaning to ask you. While I have no tv service, I did read that Bush was remarkably warm and friendly during the Clinton portrait ceremonies, even witty. What do you think they had him on to make him behave so unlike his usual self? Posted by: shylurker on June 23, 2004 02:50 AMNancy, it wouldn't surprise me if they did in fact try the institutional medication of the public. They thrive on junk science, and use it shamelessly. No ever said they would do it well, or even within anything recognizable to science. Posted by: Pat C on June 23, 2004 03:02 AMhttp://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?emx=x&pid=1509 Tomgram: Constantino and Hiro, Connecting the dots Posted by: on June 23, 2004 03:03 AMWoops, the Tomgram is my post. Posted by: Pat C on June 23, 2004 03:04 AMFor a wonderful humor break, go here: Posted by: shylurker on June 23, 2004 03:07 AMI'd make an easy bet & win that the CNN poll on torture has been heavily "freeped." Most americans, in spite of their... um, peculiarities, do not lust after torture. Posted by: JoannaOregon on June 23, 2004 03:32 AMI'm sure you're correct, Joanna, about the heavy freeping. Right now, though, everyone's on edge about the beheadings and many want revenge. They aren't thinking the thing through (as in, if you do it to them, they'll do it to us). Trent Lott, that Inhofe guy, Rumsfeld and others are also feeding that dog. Posted by: shylurker on June 23, 2004 03:36 AMhttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5269721/ Posted by: Pat C on June 23, 2004 03:43 AMShylurker, re Bush being warm and friendly during unveiling of Clinton portrait, Maureen Dowd had a piece about it in NYT. She figures someone did a "Stepford" on Bush. I saw it and was surprised like everybody else. Wouldn't say he was witty, but his remarks (written by ??) were gracious and he delivered them well. Hmm, maybe his Venus and Mercury were in some special harmony that day. Posted by: Barbara on June 23, 2004 04:00 AMI suspect, Barbara, that any Venus-Mercury aspect was chemically enhanced. Thnx! Posted by: shylurker on June 23, 2004 04:22 AMMy consider thot is that the "beheaders" are a buschie Special Ops Squad & don't belong to "the enemy" whatsoever... hoping to further enrage the 6-pack drinkin', Big-Wheel truckin' Joes n' Jills of 'mer'ca's hartlend. Posted by: JoannaOregon on June 23, 2004 05:24 AMOrwell's 1984 without speculation. Don't put anything past the capabilities of this Remember Hitler had a small group who terrorized and took over a country. Citizens were fearful of being noticed and put on an "enemies list" if they drew attention by speaking out. It ended up with millions being exterminated. Interesting. After, the American public is drugged Nancy, I have to disagree with your husband. It is possible. People could have to report to City Hall or their local police station for their daily dosage,for identity cards, just as they had to report for their yellow, pink, or blue star. Picture it. Would refusal lead to a train headed for an "internment" (read concentration) camp? We, the citizens of this country are in big trouble. And who will come to save us? Nato? the UN? The French and Germans? or no one? Posted by: Pallas18 on June 23, 2004 05:26 AMWe're going to have to save ourselves, I reckon. Posted by: shylurker on June 23, 2004 05:48 AMTimothy: I have to laugh about the Treemont Teahouse using some of Wolfstar's material, they once reprinted a whole article of mine, word for word, with a new author's name. I contacted them and they sent out a public apology. Anyway, Iraq's present day chart according to Astrodienst and Champion's Book of Horoscopes is July 14, 1958 at 4:00am, the government fell to a military coup and a new constitution was formed. The Baghdad Foundation chart is July 31, 0762 at 2:40pm recorded by the court's scribe and astrologer, it's pretty interesting to read that chart and the 1st Golf War Jan. 17th 1991 at 8:30 am has a great many aspects to the foundation chart. Posted by: Sally on June 23, 2004 05:50 AMWell, you know, JoannaO, those orange jump-suits just keep turning up, don't they? Posted by: shylurker on June 23, 2004 05:52 AMshylurker, "Obedrin combines methamphetamine with pentobarbital" - now how's that for impaired judgement. this is so addictive, its banned internationally. Posted by: mike on June 23, 2004 05:53 AMGood lord, Mike, that is one heck of a drug. Let us hope it stays banned. good lord Mike, do you know what or how a person might act on that? Would it be just out of it completely? Posted by: Sally on June 23, 2004 06:05 AMashKKKroft and perjury. the 911 commission is investigating who lied when ashkroft and the deputy head of the fbi, pickard (i think) gave diametrically opposed under-oath testimony about the same meeting which occurred pre-911. pickard said he brouht up al-queda and ashkroft said he didn't want to hear any more about it. ashcroft said that he did, indeed, meet with pickard but never waived off any discussion of al-queda. they both testified before the 911 commission and one of them lied! ----------------------------------- i've been looking around the net at other mundane analysis/prediction sites. the comments about wolfstar (by joannaO and timothy) are probably on target for a fair number of the sites. they throw out stuff just to justify their support of bush--without any real methodology. i think that sally and nancy do a thorough job by providing a justification for their astrology and by linking events to transits to veryfiy the astrology.h Posted by: mike on June 23, 2004 06:09 AMY'aaz, skylurker... them orange jumpsuits just keep turnin' up. Regards any national drug program, from where wld the money come?!?! The US is broke. Neptune is involved... deceit & the deceitful by buschie et al, the druggie/drunkies. Besides, the druggies are already on drugs, "legal" & otherwise... ain't nothin' new. Posted by: JoannaOregon on June 23, 2004 06:13 AMgood lord to you both (a new astroworld greeting): don't know much other than from research on substance abuse. this one interested me because it was used for dieting (take the edge off the heavy duty prescription meth of the 60's). in terms of effect, it sounds like you stay up all night without a care! stimulated lethargy. honestly, i don't think bush is taking anything. it's just he agogee of generations of bad neurochemistry! Posted by: mike on June 23, 2004 06:13 AMI bet the US passport office is flooded with requests for new and renewals. Exactly my thought, to get my passport up to date. Posted by: Pallas18 on June 23, 2004 06:23 AMpallas18, your last post was 6-23 at 6:23. i don't know why but i like that. Has anyone noticed that at one point its a connection between Al Qaeda and Saddam, then Al Qaeda and Iraq? That an Al Qaeda member or members would be in Iraq pre 9/11 or post 9/11 is a no brainer. Hell, we had cells here in good ole USA. Terrorism in the 21st Century has shifted. It's not 'state' sponsored anymore. Bush and his Administration are trying to justify their war. Thing is, there is never justification for war. Killing is killing. Always has been, always will be. Until the human species gets that, history will repeat. One note of hope I keep in mind, is that in any comparison with what happened in Germany mid 20th century, and now is that, the culture here is different. Germany could so easily be led by a "furor" figure because they were coming out of a culture were the father figure was worshipped. Obedience as good was preached in the home. See "For Your Own Good" by Alice Miller. How we raise our children are paramount. The drug thing tho, does worry me. This whole way of seeing ADD and ADHD and treating it, or treating anything pharmecutically at the drop of a hat, like preschoolers on anti depressants??? Remember the bit that came out earlier this year, on the study of television's effect on brain development? So, I don't know, we are headed into unknown territory here. The key is recognizing our addictions as a species. Whether its an addiction to Oil, Money, or Religion and War, let alone drugs, we somehow must evolve beyond them. Posted by: Shade on June 23, 2004 12:23 PMThe Stab in the Back The victors in the Iraq war are now moving rapidly to consolidate their gains, and carry out the second phrase of their operation. No, I don't mean the June 30 American handover of pseudo-"sovereignty" to a puppet regime, but the ongoing invasion of Kurdistan by Israeli operatives trying to spark a war of secession. Thanks – once again – to the indispensable Seymour Hersh, the truth about what is happening in Iraq – and why – is coming out, as the real victors help themselves to the spoils of war. While American troops are fighting and dying to maintain the independence and unity of the Iraqi state, the Israelis, operating behind our backs and in the shadows, are working to split the country up: "In a series of interviews in Europe, the Middle East, and the United States, officials told me that by the end of last year Israel had concluded that the Bush Administration would not be able to bring stability or democracy to Iraq, and that Israel needed other options. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's government decided, I was told, to minimize the damage that the war was causing to Israel's strategic position by expanding its long-standing relationship with Iraq's Kurds and establishing a significant presence on the ground in the semi-autonomous region of Kurdistan. Several officials depicted Sharon's decision, which involves a heavy financial commitment, as a potentially reckless move that could create even more chaos and violence as the insurgency in Iraq continues to grow." More http://antiwar.com/justin/ Thanx Pat C for the link to the Caplan article over at MSNBC. You could substitute the "USA" or "the media" for Medicine in this statement: "Medicine will be much much better off if commercial concerns take a back seat to society's need to know." Truth and reality instead of all this Neptunian crap! I relate Saturn to density, and Neptune to fluidity. Strange how lately the fog has gotten absolutely Saturnian (thick.)
Shade, yep "For Your Own Good" by Alice Miller is a must read, but horrific. Until I read it I thought the book "Fatherland" (now our of print) was the last word on how to raise a fascist. On a lighter note, but still on topic, did anybody ever see the Simpsons episode where Bart is prescribed medication and becomes a "good boy"? Re Wolfstar--my biggest hurdle in reading transits, progressions, etc. (besides being such an amateur) is that I let my strong hopes and wishes color my interpretations. Have been trying to get over that. Posted by: Barbara on June 23, 2004 01:47 PMHad to post this! It made me so happy! http://www.freelancestar.com/News/FLS/2004/062004/06232004/1403861 Kerry's service was honorable, but editorial was not Date published: 6/23/2004 That you would give credence to whining right-wing malcontents calling themselves Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ["Mekong myths," June 18] proves your radical Republic Party Bias. (As members of your ilk disdainfully refer to the Democratic Party as the "Democrat" Party, I refer to yours as the "Republic" Party.) The fact remains that John Kerry actually fought in Vietnam; and the Navy, in its wisdom, awarded him the Silver Star, the Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts. I guess the "Swifties" know better than the Navy. Their assertion that Kerry somehow fooled the Navy is hardly worthy of belief and does not deserve such attention. Moreover, if you have editorialized about Bush's avoidance of service in the theater of war, failure to report for duty as required, relinquishment of his flight status for which the government spent thousands for his training and the National Guard condoned without explanation, lack of military decorations or awards, and early release, I certainly have not seen it. Why is that? As to your assertion that "no one recalls a single sleazy GOP attack on [George] McGovern's military prowess": I sure do. You apparently were too young to remember certain Republic Party stalwarts who criticized McGovern for his World War II service as a pilot dropping bombs on "poor defenseless women and children" for which they called him a war criminal. Your unfettered bias makes you the sleazy one. David L. Terzian Fredericksburg, Virginia Posted by: Pat C on June 23, 2004 04:12 PMI made a little timeline from one of Nancy's past articles and today, the 23rd, trans Saturn conjuncts the 2001 innaugral north node. I guess this was on last nite's news, but I just saw it now. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5271234/ ***WASHINGTON - The 9/11 commission is busy writing its final report, but is still investigating critical facts, including the conduct of U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft. NBC News has learned that the commission has interviewed two FBI officials who contradict sworn testimony by Ashcroft, about whether he brushed off terrorism warnings in the summer of 2001. *** I also looked at the "Bush gets the presidency Decision" chart for Dec 12th, 2000, 10pm, and lo and behold the moon conjuncts that node at 15 cancer as well, so is currenlty being aspected by Saturn. I am not sure what it all means, but Ashcroft being 'reality checked' makes a nice start. Being prosecuted for lying under oath would be even better. Posted by: Shade on June 23, 2004 04:44 PMF.Y.I. - Arnold watchers, if any. Franco Columbu, a former bodybuilder who has been Arnold's closest friend since the sixties, says "that the Presidency is, indeed, Arnold's long-term goal". http://www.newyorker.com/online/content/?040628on_onlineonly01 Posted by: Beverly on June 23, 2004 04:59 PMShade, the NN of the Supreme Court decision in 2000 and the Inauguration is square GWB's own Moon There are a couple of things associated with that aspect because that election Moon also conjuncts GWB's Jupiter and his moon. One if he is still standing at election, with the election Moon in a square he might be booted out, the other is the people might re-elect to their own detriment, the square would indicate that it would be to their own detriment. There is also an inconjunct from 2004 election Moon to election 2000 Uranus and Inaugural 2001 Mercury, the people are still going to be confused on election day and not know what they think. Confusion often times puts us in a position of chosing what we know instead of what we don't know. A nice thing however is the Uranus theme of both elections introduces chaos at election time. Transiting Uranus will have also retrograded back to Election 2000 Moon. A re-do? But re-do what? Put the Presidency back to the Democrats or lawfully elect Bush, either one would be a redo. I would feel a lot better if Saturn in the 2000 election chart had progressed to a direct motion. Posted by: Sally on June 23, 2004 05:39 PMI LOVE your positive astro-updates, raj! Keep 'em coming! Posted by: JoannaOregon on June 23, 2004 09:46 PMSally, maybe could these Moon/Uranus connections indicate the People rebelling at last? Posted by: Barbara on June 23, 2004 10:16 PMHey, here's a good reason to rebel, no safe drinking water! I read about it at http://www.publicedcenter.org/ There is less and less natural sources of good drinking water available in this country. Which is Oops, I meant "the 2nd and 3rd world countries" Posted by: Jill G on June 24, 2004 01:09 AMhttp://www.truthout.org/docs_04/0624041.shtml United Nations - The United States bowed to broad opposition on the Security Council today and announced that it was dropping its effort to gain immunity for its troops from prosecution by the International Criminal Court. "The United States has decided not to proceed further with consideration and action on the draft at this time in order to avoid a prolonged and divisive debate," the deputy American ambassador, James B. Cunningham, said on emerging from the council. The envoys from the 15-member council had spent the morning in closed session discussing a rewritten version of the American troop exemption resolution circulated among them Tuesday night to try to meet the widespread objections. A resolution granting a year's exemption had passed the council the past two years, but this year the attempt to renew it ran into difficulties because of the prisoner abuse scandal in Iraq and a strong statement of opposition from Secretary General Kofi Annan. The rare setback for American diplomacy at the United Nations came just two weeks after the Bush administration was praised in the world organization for demonstrating flexibility and a willingness to compromise in securing a unanimous vote on a resolution affirming the arrangements for the transfer of power in Iraq. More.... Posted by: Pat C on June 24, 2004 02:44 AMThe night is alive! Sparkling, brilliantly beautiful! I'm talking about the lighting bugs, as we here in the south call them. Never have I seen so many of these little beings before! Go out and look. Magick is afoot!! Gosh, it makes this ole pagan's heart lighten up. Blessed be! Patricia Posted by: patricia on June 24, 2004 02:55 AMThat sounds beautiful Patricia! This isn't beautiful, but it is good all the same. A new book written by a senior CIA official using the pseudonym "Anonymous" offers a scathing indictment of how the United States is fighting the war on terror. Posted by: Pat C on June 24, 2004 03:35 AMSally and all, "The election Moon of 2004 conjuncts the NN of the 2001 Inauguration and Supreme Court decision." I'm sorry to say that I came to the same conclusion as Sally has in my post here on one of the threads some time ago. I think it was a post about Edwards and it looked like the Supreme Court was interfering again and he was fighting them. My conclusion was we would have a repeat of And rationale supports it. Many states and the manufacturers are refusing to attach paper to the I think Neptune is confusion, but Uranus is shock and rebellion. The question becomes: what will THE PEOPLE do? Posted by: Pallas18 on June 24, 2004 03:53 AMIndeed Pallas, what will the people do? I have a clear memory of the jackbooted paid congressional staff banging on the walls outside the Miami recount room. This has been purely and simply a coup. I am still wondering if anyone has looked at the chart for the Supreme Court. This would be the time for any retirement, and if anyone does retire, Bush will appoint. Posted by: Pat C on June 24, 2004 03:59 AMRubaiat I like your name too. Is your last name Khayam? More seriously: you might want to read this interview of an NBC producer who spent 2 years in Venice, Florida researching the flight school which trained 9/11 terrorists and its connections to FBI, US govt. officials, the DEA, and other prominent citizens. the author is the same one who wrote a book about “HOPSICKER: And the whole point is that the government story is that these terrorists wondered into flight schools here and there across the country of course all of them, three or four of them learnt to fly and flew on September 11. So the government’s story is that they just wandered in there. Well, the owner and the manager of that facility had ties at the highest levels of the U.S. government in political circles “ HOPSICKER: Two or three really interesting things. Mohamed Atta had an American girlfriend. With whom he lived for two and a half months, in an apartment across the street from the Venice airport, at a time when the FBI says he was not in Venice anymore. She was in the news briefly after September 11th. Interviewed by three or four local reporters, they did stories on her, and then she disappeared. And the story disappeared. Now, you have never heard that Mohamed Atta had an American girlfriend, because it never made the national press. Which is itself bizarre. Because she was a stripper when she knew him…so you would think, "Interviews with the Stripper Girlfriend of the Terrorist Mastermind…" HOPSICKER: You’d think it would be plastered everywhere. But it wasn’t. And she disappeared. And when I tracked her down six months later, actually a year later, she told me, as several other witnesses told me, that she had been personally intimidated, on a weekly basis, by the FBI, into keeping her mouth shut, and not talking, about what she knew. And the reason for that becomes apparent when you see what she knew. You’re about to see a clip….basically, she knew intimate personal details, but she had her eyes open…you’re going to see that two or three of Mohamed Atta’s closest associates weren’t Arab. They were German. German and Swiss." http://www.guerrillanews.com/intelligence/doc4660.html
Australian astrologer Ed Tamplin on Kerry's chart: "A word on the Presidential elections. John Kerry imposes the aggressive martial energy on the US horoscope. Kerry, born with Mars and Uranus together, brings both to align with America's Uranus. This planet has been so often associated with war or assassinations. Consider that the Civil War began with America's Uranus returning to its birthplace position for the first time, the second return proclaimed D-Day. " http://www.edtamplin.com/articles/Predictions%202004%20update.html Kerry's aspects (Mars/Uranus opp US Uranus) make me think that if the fascists try to steal this One thing is for sure, Kerry with those aspects will not go quietly into the night. The other thing those aspects suggest is that he'd be wise to have guards around his airplane, as the Israelis do at all times in all airports. Posted by: Pallas18 on June 24, 2004 05:17 AMPallas, it sure is hopeful to think that Kerry won't "go quietly." I hope the Public won't either. From the Wilderness has some new articles--one of them talks about Bush's revealing Freudian slips. I saw him make one this week when he was talking about money for Aids victims. Bush said something about "helping people with this addiction." No doubt the speech writer wrote, "helping people with this affliction." http://www,fromthewilderness.com Posted by: Barbara on June 24, 2004 03:47 PMSally, thank you for your comments and this wonderful site. Pallas, Nancy and all other contributers, thank you for your fine articles. I still have a bug up my b*** re Ashcroft and came upon this, so if anyone is interested go to........
The history of law enforcement by the present Attorney General is Sign the petition to remove Ashcroft at: So far today we learn Cheney doesn't have to turn over anything on his Energy meetings, Ashcroft does not have to turn over the prisoner abuse interrogation memos and dozens of people have been killed in Iraq. Very depressing! Posted by: Laurie on June 24, 2004 04:16 PMThis terrific piece by Sidney Blumenthal describes Saturn hitting Bush's 12th house planets: "Bush's battle is not with image, but with the unravelling of his reality." http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1245877,00.html Posted by: Nancy on June 24, 2004 04:16 PMnancy, I read that Blumenthal article earlier today and thought it was excellent!! Here's another good one: The Paper Trail According to CNN, the orange jump suits are used purposefully to remind us of retaliation for Abu Ghraib. If the Americans were doing this, they wouldn't be that sloppy. Posted by: Nancy on June 24, 2004 04:39 PMBarbara mimi, Thanks for posting corrected link (time to get my reading glasses prescription checked). The stuff about Freudian slips is in the June 17, 2004 article entitled "Conspiracy and the State of the Union" by Jamey Hecht, PhD. The whole piece is very interesting but the Freudian slip stuff (which I thought particularly interesting) is subtitled as such and is in the body of the article. Should have been clearer on that. Posted by: Barbara on June 24, 2004 05:20 PMBTW, thanks again to the great astrologers and posters. It is so refreshing to turn off the short-sighted media pundit foolishness and right-wing "noise machine" and visit here. I think of this site as Sally's Sanity Salon Posted by: Barbara on June 24, 2004 05:25 PMhttp://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20040624/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_64 69 Said Dead in Attacks Across Iraq BAQOUBA, Iraq - Insurgents launched coordinated attacks Thursday against police and government buildings across Sunni Muslim areas of Iraq (news - web sites) less than a week before the handover of sovereignty. The strikes killed 69 people including, three American soldiers, and wounded more than 270 people, Iraqi and U.S. officials said. Most of the deaths were in Mosul, where 44 people were killed and 216 injured in attacks that included a string of car bombs. Clashes also occurred in Baqouba, Ramadi, Baghdad and other areas. The extent of the attacks was a clear sign of just how powerful the insurgency remains — and could be the start of a new push to torpedo the June 30 transfer of sovereignty to an interim transitional government. more at link - Istanbul Blast Kills Four Before Summit ISTANBUL, Turkey - A bomb exploded on an Istanbul bus Thursday, killing at least four people and wounding 14, and another bomb went off in front of the Ankara hotel where President Bush (news - web sites) is to stay before Monday's NATO (news - web sites) summit, wounding three. Police said they suspected far-left Marxists in both attacks, the latest in a series of blasts — most of them small, without casualties — ahead of the NATO gathering. Bush arrives in Ankara on Saturday night to meet with Turkish leaders before heading to the summit in Istanbul. more - The June 30th "handover" is a sham --- it's really a reinforcement of the occupation by the US with the UN giving permission as of June 30th for the theft of Iraq's assets. The UN doesn't intend it to be that, but that is the reality, or reality as I see it. The 'insurgents' are those Iraqis who are willing to fight and die for their country... we don't know how many there will be by June 30th. And Mosul is not Fallujah, where the US has been bombing frequently last week - ten days. Their (US) intent may have been to frighten the insurgents, but it appears to have energized them even more. Wonder if Americans will be energized come Nov. 2nd/3rd if ballots are stolen? John Kerry has Secret Service protection by virtue of his candidacy for president. I wonder though, to whom this group reports and how much "protection" they would be in a crunch?! We didn't have a clue in 2000 what we were up against with this bunch. We know now, though. Got a very interesting letter from Sen. Hollings re the war, etc. I wrote him re the tortures at Abu Ghraib and asked him not to let the ball drop in the pursuit of those responsible. He is retiring and won't be returning in Janurary, you may or may not recall. I will post his letter later --- got to run errands now. I owe lots on the board an email. I was able to get my father in an assisted living complex here in Aiken, so he will be relocating in thirty days. Thanks be to the universe. See, everything in its own time. Laurie, you hang in there. We will get Cheney. We will get Ashcroft. Mother Nature doesn't like ugly. Namaste Posted by: Jo on June 24, 2004 06:00 PMThanks Jo for your encouragement. I'll hang in there. Bush Interviewed in Gov't CIA Leak Probe By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) was interviewed by government prosecutors Thursday in connection with the federal investigation of who leaked the name of an undercover CIA (news - web sites) operative to the news media. The president was questioned for 70 minutes in the Oval Office by U.S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald, who is heading the Justice Department (news - web sites) investigation, and members of his team. White House press secretary Scott McClellan said Bush has hired a private attorney, Jim Sharp, a Washington trial lawyer and former federal prosecutor, and he was present for the questioning. "The leaking of classified information is a very serious matter," McClellan said, adding that the president repeatedly has said that he wants his administration to cooperate with the investigation. "He was pleased to do his part. No one wants to get to the bottom of this matter more than the president of the United States." http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=536&e=1&u=/ap/20040624/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_cia_leak Posted by: Laurie on June 24, 2004 06:27 PMRubaiyat, (love the name, too. Like in Omar Khayyam?) After 15 years of serious research on the matter (and reading tons of junk), I now believe our "bad karma" is a little closer to home. We're not going to get hit by a comet. I believe we will see a comet in the near future, but it won't hit us. It will be a harbinger of other bad news. Just my humble scientific opinion. I highly recommend The Black Commentator any time, but last month's issue had a piece I found most interesting: ------------- For the next six years, much of the South experienced El Salvador-like levels of political violence, including the 1873 massacre of as many as 300 Blacks in Colfax, Louisiana – just one episode in the successful campaign to “Redeem” that state for white supremacy. Although the last Black congressman was not run out of the South until 1900 (Rep. George Henry White, Wilmington, North Carolina), Reconstruction was politically crushed with the 1877 Democrat-Republican agreement to withdraw federal troops from South Carolina, Florida and Louisiana. The Hayes-Tilden Compromise signaled that white southern “Redemption” from the threat of full Black citizenship rights was all but complete. This mutual understanding among the great majority of whites – North, South, East and West – would remain intact for nearly a century. In the warped religiosity of the white southern sense of the word, America as a nation was “Redeemed.” A suffocating peace would reign among white men. More ... http://blackcommentator.com/94/94_cover_reagan.html Questions for astrologers: What impact does the Civil War, or the War Between the States, as some in the South still call it! have on the 'date' for USA natal chart? Do we consider the 'nation' was never severed, just disturbed... in other words, was the nation 'born again' (not in the Fundie sense, mind you) at the end of the war? Just a little something to chew on... Namaste Posted by: Jo on June 24, 2004 07:52 PMHere is copy of letter I rec'd yesterday from Sen Hollings as mentioned upthread: Dear Ms.__________: Thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding the situation in Iraq. I appreciate hearing from you. We were misled about Iraq. There is scant evidence of the weapons of mass destruction on which the case for war was based. Post-invasion planning has been a failure and every forecast made about the aftermath has been wrong. The military situation in Iraq is a mess. Currently, we have 138,000 American troops on the ground in Iraq and we had to turn to Saddam's generals in order to take the town of Fallujah back from the insurgents. That is unacceptable. We need to get more American troops on the ground in order to secure Iraq. That is the only way to get out. Once secured, the U.N. and NATO will join the transfer of sovereignty to a new Iraqi government. The only way to get this help is to bring in more American troops to stabilize the country. U.N. and NATO involvement is necessary to speed the way for our eventual departure. Like every American, I was appalled at the brutal murder of Nick Berg, the American contractor who fell into the hands of Iraqi thugs. His brutal murder was the result of revelations in early May of detainee abuse at Abu Ghraib prison. The disclosure of these abuses has been a shock to all Americans and has damaged our standing in the Arab world. The President must take quick and decisive action to determine why such abuses occurred and who is at fault. Those individuals responsible for this inhumane treatment must be dealt with in a way that shows the world this behavior will not be tolerated. We must demonstrate conclusively that these patterns of abuse are not the American way and work diligently to restore our credibility in the Middle East and the world. With kindest regards, I am Thanks for the heads up on the From the Wilderness article, Barbara. It just gets worse and worse... http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20040624/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_3 Iraq Attacks Kill Over 100, Wound 320 BAGHDAD, Iraq - Insurgents set off car bombs and seized police stations Thursday in a six-city offensive aimed at creating chaos ahead of next week's handover of power to a new Iraqi government. U.S. and Iraqi forces took back control in heavy fighting that killed more than 100 people and wounded about 320. more- Evidently, Bush was questioned (with his attorney by his side) today, June 24, about the Valerie Plame case. The story was posted on the NYTimes site at 1:52 PM, so I'm assuming the questioning took place in the late morning, perhaps 10:30 or 11:00ish? Any thoughts on the possible astrological significance of his being questioned on this day? I think the Moon goes V/C today, right? But not until the afternoon. Hope to hear (read) your thoughts. Jonathan Posted by: Jonathan on June 24, 2004 10:34 PMthe spin on the fox spin of the 9-11 story. http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=1602 Time for emails to Fox re Brit Hume's inaccurate (disinformation?) reporting? Posted by: Jo on June 24, 2004 10:48 PMNot sure if this has been posted before - copy of Al Gore's speech "THe Perils of the Presidency". http://www.tompaine.com/articles/the_perils_of_the_presidency.php Posted by: Siobhan on June 24, 2004 11:04 PMSiobhan, thanks for supplying the connection. Great speech by President Gore (oh, and thanks for the internet, too, Al). Seems things are getting a bit much for Dicky-doo: If that never-ending link doesn't work, just go to drudge. He's got it up right now. Posted by: shylurker on June 25, 2004 12:09 AMTed Olson to Quit. .......and the beat goes on. http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/05/04/swift/index.html The "Swift boat" veterans attacking John Kerry's war record are led by veteran right-wing operatives using the same vicious techniques they used against John McCain four years ago. ". . . . Behind the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth are veteran corporate media consultant and Texas Republican activist Merrie Spaeth, who is listed as the group's media contact; eternal Kerry antagonist and Dallas attorney John E. O'Neill, law partner of Spaeth's late husband, Tex Lezar; and retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffman, a cigar-chomping former Vietnam commander once described as "the classic body-count guy" who "wanted hooches destroyed and people killed.". . . . . . . . Although not as well known as Karen Hughes, Spaeth is among the most experienced and best connected Republican communications executives. During the Reagan administration she served as director of the White House Office of Media Liaison, where she specialized in promoting "news" items that boosted President Reagan to TV stations around the country. While living in Washington she met and married Lezar, a Reagan Justice Department lawyer who ran for lieutenant governor of Texas in 1994 with George W. Bush, then the party's candidate for governor. (Lezar lost; Bush won.) Through Lezar, who died of a heart attack last January, she met O'Neill, his law partner in Clements, O'Neill, Pierce, Wilson & Fulkerson, a Dallas firm. (It also includes Margaret Wilson, the former counsel to Gov. Bush who followed him to Washington, where she served for a time as a deputy counsel in the Department of Commerce.) Spaeth's partisanship runs still deeper, as does her history of handling difficult P.R. cases for Republicans. In 1998, for example, she coached Kenneth Starr, the independent counsel, to prepare him for his testimony urging the impeachment of President Clinton before the House Judiciary Committee. She even reviewed videotapes of his previous television appearances to give him pointers about his delivery and demeanor. The man responsible for arranging her advice to Starr was another old friend of her late husband's, Theodore Olson, who was counsel to the right-wing American Spectator when it acted as a front for the dirty-tricks campaign against Clinton known as the Arkansas Project; he is now the solicitor general in the Bush Justice Department. (Olson also happens to be the godfather of Spaeth's daughter.). . . ." Posted by: Pat C on June 25, 2004 12:12 AMThis is on the OFFICIAL Bush-Cheney Web site -- NEW WEB http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1488658/06242004/story.jhtml 'Fahrenheit 9/11': Overheated, Overstated ... And Great Controversial film lays it on thick — but its arguments need to be heard. What you will get from "Fahrenheit 9/11" is Moore's take on the ascendancy of the Bush White House and its march to war in Iraq. It is funny, sad, outrageous and great. Despite depressingly recent conventional wisdom, the Cannes Film Festival does not hand out its top prize, the Palme d'Or, simply because France hates America. They still recognize good craftsmanship, and Moore is a wizard at taking stock footage and teaching it how to act. But his true talent is as an editor: What he presents and what he omits in his telling of the last four years will make this movie the most contentious bit of pop culture this year. More... Posted by: Jo on June 25, 2004 12:50 AMPublished on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 by CommonDreams.org Democratic reformer Henry Adams, who decried the decline in democracy as the robber barons rose to power in the nineteenth century, did not mince words about the failure of the news media of his day: "The press is the hired agent of a monied system," he wrote, "and set up for no other purpose than to tell lies where the interests are involved." http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0615-14.htm Switching Sides SAN JOSE, California (CNN) -- Former Chrysler Chairman Lee Iacocca, who backed President Bush four years ago, switched sides and endorsed Democratic Sen. John Kerry for president Thursday. Jonathan, first of all I couldn't help but think how Bush did learn from Clinton, he doesn't "talk" to anyone under oath so whatever he said can't be used, however he didn't help himself much in the investigation. The Moon was squaring his Uranus, moving to a square to his node and a square to TPluto, he would have felt uncomfortable and fearful with Saturn squaring his Chiron and applying to his Moon, all the while TSaturn and TNeptune were inconjunct exactly, what he said didn't add up to the questioner. Most importantly, TNode was square his natal Mercury, he will need to revisit this, so he should hang on to his attorney Posted by: Sally on June 25, 2004 02:10 AMi never really believed in the comet theory either but the way this government is behaving , with such disreguard for us, life, the planet and the law, that i would rather think that they know the end is nigh than think that they are pure evil. has the world changed so much that evil no longer hides? is that a good sign in that we can now see it coming? Rubaiat, money is the root of all evil and they are going after our (taxpayers') money. Posted by: shylurker on June 25, 2004 04:18 AMHold it! Skylurker!! That's the LOVE of money is the root of all evil. Yea... they LOVE our money like the bedbug loves the smell of a warm body. It's said, by scientists who've done such research, that bedbugs squeek excitedly to each other when such a find occurs. ;O) I'm not kiddin'! Posted by: JoannaOregon on June 25, 2004 04:45 AMThanks for the correction, JoannaO. Posted by: shylurker on June 25, 2004 04:47 AM"Cannes Film Festival does not hand out its top prize, the Palme d'Or, simply because France hates America." Not only that, but this year's jury was headed by an American, Quentin Tarentino, and also comprised a number of Americans. Posted by: terri on June 25, 2004 04:57 AM"money don't know where it came from" Laurence Fishburn in "Deep Cover" (1992) lou dobbs, the cnn business commentator, just ran a poll. yes/no - should the supreme court have forced vp cheney to release his energy documents? the results - 96% yes. this show has a naturally convervative audience. shortly thereafter, a story came on with a federal reserve governor saying that bush deficits were 'unacceptable' and it was time someone said it straight up. oops, there goes his 'natural' base. adios and bye bye. Posted by: mike on June 25, 2004 04:59 AM oh, and more...sally, good point about bush not taking an oath when interviewed by prosecutor fitzgerald. it shows how desparate they are for any leverage BECAUSE it's a crime to lie to a federal investigator whether under oath or not (remember martha whatshername). these are not only re-aranging the deck chairs on the titanic, they're taking it seriously. i hate to gloat at the pro-bush astrologers on other sites prematurely but ***a Saturn return is a Saturn return*** actually, i like to gloat, it makes me feel...like victory. Posted by: mike on June 25, 2004 05:05 AMthe love of money, the lust of money...money, like food, has many meanings. both are necessary. in this world money means power and the definition of money is only one more thing that needs an overhaul. up is down -down is up nothing makes sense and that just may be a good thing in the long run...but are we ready for the long run?can we objectively see reality and envision "heaven on earth " at the same time? i hate to say this but we are "BUSH" he is our leader symbol, our father symbol. america has a dry drunk, idiot, dyslexic, war-monger for a persona. how does that make you feel? how will we change this? do the damn voting machines work???? Posted by: rubaiat on June 25, 2004 05:17 AMall over the news: faux vice president cheney on a visit to the Senate used "barn-yard language when gentle Senator Leahy asked him a question. It was reported on CNN that what he said to the Senator was "F___ off!". Nice. I wonder if the faux veep would like to receive No citizen could be prosecuted when they are just returning the barnyard veep's own words to him. What do you think of that? Pallas, I like your idea! Foul scraps for the fowl :) Posted by: Cass on June 25, 2004 06:18 AMRubaiat, you are a little more blunt than I am but you are right about Bush or any leader representing the collective persona. We are Bush and to change things we have to change. You are also right about Pluto - strips everything away and in time puts something better in its place. We are being stripped away. I just have to laugh at how blunt and bottom line you are. Sometimes "a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down." Most people are having a hard time relating to their own shadow much less seeing it played out on the world stage. It's interesting that we have had two very polarizing presidents in a row. President Clinton certainly was a lightening rod for our repressed sexuality in this country and now we have Bush the lightening rod for our violence and anger and both have produced great fear amoung their enemies. It's been hard for either side to acknowledge that this is a part of us all. Several years ago I worked for an organization that raised money for housing for the homeless and I would speak to groups about the need to help. People would continually ask me "what is wrong with those people?" and I realized that nothing was going to change for the homeless until we could say "what is wrong with us?" There is a really good book I read 30 years ago called "That Man is You." It's one of those books that "comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable," and I never forgot its lessons. It certainly made a person think about their own shadows, and judgements and made you think about what it means to "hate" the action but not the person, and how to separate the two. My hope is we will see ourselves in this mania, this sick part of America and face it fearlessly before the elections so we don't have to go through another 4 years of this insanity. I looked at those torture pictures and heard people, including Bush, say "this isn't America." But it is one face of America as evidenced by our violent treatment of Blacks, Indians, women, children. Look at our movies they are mostly violent. They even took the "Lord of the Rings" and emphasized the violence instead of the message, look at who California elected as their Governor - a action figure. So, I figure we have a way to go before we look at ourselves with brutal honesty. And Pluto oppose the US Mars/Neptune square will certainly give us a good look. Carl Jung did, however, say, "if you cannot figure your way out of a painful transit, you can just sit down and wait for it to pass." 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