Great story Pallas, and makes me a little concerned. With all the Saturn aspects to Savannah, including a Saturn Square to their 10th house and the US coming up to a Saturn square, makes me wonder if the entire US might be on the brink of experiencing the same thing. Hope not.

JEAN, I posted this on the last article but in case you don't go back there I wanted to post this here.

I know lots of people are new to this blog and new ones keep coming (thank you god) but George Sr. has been discussed several times in the past and I said last year that he would be in danger this year. He has several bad aspects being hit right now and right on through the summer and fall. A stroke comes to mind. His Sun conj. GWB's progressed Mid-heaven, natal and progressed Uranus and NN, Pluto is opposing. That certainly isn't the only danger aspect but it is a glaring one because of the t-square. He isn't happy with George, at least not privately, and if he knew anything about astrology he wouldn't go sky diving or whatever it is he wants to do. And another state funeral would take all the Saturn heat off GWB.

The most interesting aspect to me is GWB's progressed Sun is conjunct his Mars at 9degrees Virgo, and Sr's progressed sun is there and Prescott Bush (the grandfather) Sun is there and Samuel (the great grandfather) This is square the US Uranus and the May 31, 2003 Eclipse that set this whole war off plus a pre-natal eclipse of George Jr. From a poetic sense I would say that the dynasty is in danger of being destroyed in less than a year. Venus turns stationary direct on 9 Gemini, and next year in the spring Uranus will square it. These kind of aspects are family destiny completed aspects

PS There is a ton of material on the archives to the left of the page. Nancy, Morgana, Vis, guest authors and myself all have archived material going way back and nearly everything going on now has been discussed and analyzed, you might enjoy some of the astrology.

Very chilling story, Pallas. I had no trouble envisioning an entire country looking down the barrel of a gun. When a small sleepy town can be held hostage to such menacing Gestapo tactics, just imagine how easy it would be to have tanks rolling through the larger cities, as the citizens hide in fear.

And for this, we have the Bush administration to thank. They made it very clear, the day they slithered up the steps to the White House, that they were going to change the way things were done.

They wasted no time. Within months, laws and precedents which were agreed upon to safeguard us and people around the world, were nullified with the stroke of a pen.

And all done in the privacy of legal chambers where they discussed all the ramifications, and closed all the loopholes. They cleared themselves of any perceived risk.

I see that now so clearly. Everything was pre-planned. Our country has been literally handcuffed.

How smoothly and how quietly our freedoms were traded in. And with hardly a whisper of protest, from the very people in Washington who are supposed to protect us.

What next?

the bush people can screw up anything, even Savannah. when faced with the approach of Sherman's triumphant army, the wise citizenz of Savannah chose to send out a party of notables to offer both an immediate surrender and an extended party. they saved their town and the wonderful neighborhoods you enjoyed.

here is the good news, they can put the smack down on a city or three but if they tried to do this to the entire country, they'd be about a successful as they are in iraq. their planning and execution would suck and they'd run out of supplies. and, oh, they'd have to use different troops than they are using in iraq. i think once these folks get home, they're not going to be pawns of bushco.

Miami Vise

Police crush peaceful protest at trade summit

When confronted by tens of thousands of protestors on his November 2003 visit to London, President George W. Bush said essentially the same thing he always says in such situations: "It's a fantastic thing to come to a country where people are free to express their views."

Americans seeking that fantastic experience might soon have to go to England, because opposing views are increasingly unwelcome here at home, as hundreds of Sierra Club activists discovered later that month in Miami. The venue was a summit meeting for the proposed Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA), an agreement that could push environmental and labor standards into a "race to the bottom" across the hemisphere. Along with thousands of senior citizens, union members, farmers, and other environmentalists peacefully protesting the agreement, the Sierra Club contingent was teargassed, threatened with guns, and,in one case, arrested, pepper-sprayed, and strip-searched.

The alarming abuse prompted a letter of complaint to George Bush himself from Sierra Club executive director Carl Pope: "We were appalled that the local police, supported by $8.5 million in federal funds and the Department of Homeland Security, engaged in a systematic campaign of intimidation that violated the constitutional rights of thousands of law-abiding citizens." (con't.)

http://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/200403/lol_printable.asp

At the risk of repeating myself......A few of my favorites, during this time of uncertain outcomes, and unresponsive politicians. (And an erosion of Civil Liberites) May we yet see the Triumph of Truth over Deceit.

"Men without hope, resigned to despair and oppression, do not make revolutions. It is when expectation replaces submission, when despair is touched with the awareness of possibility, that the forces of human desire and the passion for justice are unloosed."

"Few will have the greatness to bend history itself; but each of us can work to change a small portion of events, and in the total of all those acts will be written the history of this generation."

(Both quotes from an individual, who welcomed change, learned from the past, and welcomed the future. Senator Robert Kennedy (1925-1968)

Sally, Mike, Cliss:

Years ago when we astrologers saw Pluto coming to Sagittarius we started to delineate what it's meaning would be. Pluto is change, most often turning "upside down" change, and we saw, among other things Change To Our Laws, Sagittarius is higher law.

The trouble is where Pluto goes, the change is permanent.

I dont think we'll ever get rid of the Patriot Act. They may change its name but it doesn't look like they'll rescind it, and that bypasses every
freedom we have in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Interesting at this time, because Venus is Retrograde and Venus is the fabric of society.(falling apart? harmony held back?)

I guess we could think of it as our society taking
a giant step backwards.

And Sally:

Whether I look at the USA Sag Rising chart or the
USA Gemini rising chart, you know I think that the
military or perhpas we should call it the military/industrial complex is in full control of this country with Mars Oppostion Pluto.

My feeling from the charts of the USA and from what I have seen and from the news of these "pens"
being used in other cities is that we are already
under an unannounced martial law.

["Looking at the USA Sag rising chart with transiting Pluto at 21 Sag in the first house opposing natal Mars in the 7th house and squaring natal Neptune in the 9th says to me this country has become a populace victimized; stripped of the civil liberties that our government espouses it is spreading around the world, a gulag, under an administration which acts as occupiers in its own country and under the guise (Neptune in the 9th) of protecting the "homeland" is ready and able to commit violence against its own people. Mars is ruler of the 4th, the "homeland" in the Sag rising chart. ]

[In the Gemini Rising chart of the USA Mars is natally at 20 Gemini 57 conjuncted by transiting Venus and also opposed by transiting Pluto at 21 Sag in the 7th. ( Venus ruling the 6th house of the military and Pluto ruling the 6th house military also by interception ) Both charts say this country is presently in the control of the military.]

But there is more to come in Part 2 and G8 .

Thanks all. It's getting pretty hairy out there isn't it?

BTW, this is for Morgana and all of us and for our
country:

It is one of the 72 names of God from Kaballah
This particular three letter name, which I can't print but will pronounce phonetically is for healing.

To say it and repeat it is to bring healing

'MEM HEY SHIN"

Morgana should say it as a prayer and then give thanks for the healing for herself.

And perhaps we should all say it for our country.
Cause we sure need it now and are going to.

MEM HEY SHIN. I give thanks to God for the healing I am receiving. And so it is.

P.S>

I forgot to tell you about the barbed wire...which
I actually found histerical.

The Georgia National Guard was bivouaced at the
college dormitory. We drove by in the morning and
saw National Guard guarding the walkways to the
dormitory.

When we passed by that evening, we saw they had
unrolled that razor sharp barbed wire across the
walkways, which I found histerical.

If that's where their fellow soldiers were to sleep, how were they going to get past the barbed wire at night?

And exactly who were they holding out? or in?

Pluto. Another name for Shiva the Destroyer.

That's okay . We'll all leave America and get some of those outsourced jobs.

And BTW another thing I learned recently. Motorola
is sending computer management people to China to
train the Chinese in their hobs.

Could you believe it?

Tar and feathers and a pox on the whole bunch over
that WH and his cabinet. And the supremes deserve it too, for doing this to us.

!!

Reagan is still dead.

Reagan is still dead.

Did anyone else catch a CNN announcement that a satelite that NASA launched 7 years ago will get real close to one of Saturn's moons (Phoebe)and begin taking photographs tomorrow. Interesting timing.

Pallas 18, thank you for the revealing article. While reading it, I could imagine so distinctly everything you outlined, as I grew up in Georgia and visited Savannah often. I'm sure the good folks in Savannah are in shock, honestly.

Pallas18: Wonderful, Fascinating Article. Thank you so much for your 'You Are There' behind the scenes reporting on the situation --something that I know will not be reported in such an honest way by the mainstream media.

Also, Blair's Labor Party has suffered defeat in regional elections, attributed to his standing with Bush on Iraq. Although this is not a General Election for Prime Minister, it was an attempt by voters to vote against his Labor Party, and him, in the first chance they have had. One wonders what would happen if elections were held in Italy and how the voters would respond to their President's constant support of Bush and his lunatic policies, considering all the protests that went on in Rome last week?

Pallas, thanks for giving us a glimpse of the nightmare that Dimson and Co. would like to have us live in. I pray that the American people snap out of the Neptunian stupor.

Thank you Pallas for reporting so well what you witnessed in our country. I'm again reminded once again of our pResident telling us how he had seen into the soul of President Putin. They have so much in common indeed, and this is where they want to take the USA. Horrible....and though we have been busy just lilving, this has been coming our way for decades.

On this, the day of the memorial of Ronald Reagan, who is indeed dead, I offer this link to an excellent article from Salon. Here is another symptom of the takeover of the entire system we have taken for granted for all these years.

http://salon.com/news/feature/2004/06/11/media/print.html

Reagan porn

The "liberal media's" unprecedented 24/7 gushing over a controversial and divisive president caps a quarter-century of fawning.

The media's weeklong coverage of the passing of President Reagan has produced some of the most rapturous remembrances in modern times. Given Reagan's long illness, few expected the gloss to be pierced by examinations of his past as an FBI informant, his support for the apartheid regime of South Africa, America's covert alliance with Saddam Hussein, or the killing fields of Central America. Nonetheless, the sheer volume of media-stoked adoration has been a bit startling to those who are keepers of the flame of objectivity.

"I think when somebody dies there's a tendency for the press to view them through rose-colored glasses. It's only polite," says Alex Jones, director of the Joan Shorenstein Center on the Press, Politics and Public Policy at Harvard University. "But I think they're doing a great disservice by making this totally positive and uncritical coverage. In fact, Ronald Reagan was a very controversial president, and journalists should be trying to offer something that resembles an honest look back at Reagan's administration."

By midweek, a few news organizations, including the Los Angeles Times, New York Times and Washington Post, had at least addressed some of the more controversial aspects of Reagan's public life. But for the most part, the reports, particularly on the 24-hour news channels, remained uniformly worshipful, as the elaborate funeral cortege, orchestrated after years of planning by Reagan's old image-makers, marched through the entire week, accompanied by rhetorical flourishes.

"Ronald Reagan is a sort of masterpiece of American magic -- apparently one of the simplest, most uncomplicated creatures alive, and yet a character of rich meanings, of complexities that connect him with the myths and powers of his country in an unprecedented way," trumpeted Time magazine. "He is a Prospero of American memories, a magician who carries a bright, ideal America like a holograph in his mind and projects its image in the air."

What's telling is that that passage wasn't published this week. It comes from a cover story dated July 7, 1986, written by Lance Morrow. The 3,700-word essay serves as a critical reminder that, despite conservative charges of its liberal bias, the press has been fawning over Reagan for years. And this week's uncritical treatment of the 40th president is a natural culmination of what has been going on for the past quarter of a century

"The rules were different for him," notes Walter Pincus, veteran reporter for the Washington Post. "Reagan got all sorts of passes from the press."

More....

MEM HEY SHIN. I give thanks to God for the healing I am receiving. And so it is.

Pallas, excellent reporting and observations. Author and activist Skyhawk also reported on some these activities. (I'm not sure whether or not the article i read is yet posted on the website.) I would be curious as to whether or not Sonny acutally enacted a martial law order. If so this has received NO wider media play and it should!

Thought you all might be interested in the following as well. http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/060804_coup_detat.html This article suggests that the CIA is planning a coup against the administration. Should they attempt this coup wonder how this mad-dog administration will respond when cornered?

karen

From Star IQ listed on the right side of Astroworld:

http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0005476.HTM

For the Week of June 10, 2004

Uranus and Pluto are the newsmakers this week, and while they aren't interacting with each other, these two agents of change are stirring the already agitated atmosphere, and that translates into yet another week of tumult, both personal and collective. Uranus is changing direction, Pluto is promoting power plays, and the combined effect of their astral irritation is likely to produce aggravation. If you're tempted to push, take a moment to consider the consequences of insistence. Sometimes no action is the best action.

Uranus goes retrograde on June 10th and stays retrograde until November 11th. When Uranus changes direction nervous systems respond to that motion with heightened sensitivity, which means for the next several days sleep patterns are likely to be disturbed, and attitudes are apt to be anxious. As Uranus retraces its path, it revisits the last four months of upheaval—and so do we. The best way to handle this review is the willingness to rethink decisions, especially impetuous behavior motivated by the heat of the moment without regard to how those acts might impact others. From a collective perspective, this retrograde could reveal even more disturbing political information. These last few months were the months of Clarke, Dean, Woodward, and Abu Ghraib, and while it may be hard to believe, this retrograde is bound to deliver even more startling disclosures.

The opposition between Pluto and the Sun is exact on June 11 th , the day after Uranus goes retrograde. Pluto-Sun oppositions stimulate an appetite for power. Despots like to throw their weight around under this influence, so be prepared for demonstrations of power, small and large, to spike over the next few days. Avoid a swelled head, puffed chest, or an arrogant attitude that could distort your vision or motivate regrettable behavior. Be aware, this opposition also fuels the psychotic urges of those who use their own life to take the lives of others. We can only wonder in sorrow how many people will have to die before the collective agrees that terrorism of any kind—political or religious, child or spousal abuse, poverty, hunger, homelessness, or apathy—never works.

Humility is the best antidote to this week's intensity.....

Found a link to the Perdue order giving sweeping powers to the government (in re: G-8 Summit). http://www.news4jax.com/news/3342697/detail.html
Thank YOU once again, Pallas for a terrific and eye-opening article. Hope to see MORE of your work!

karen

Thanks to all.

Farrout,

Yes I read the Wilderness article last night. Actually I was pleased. Yup the CIA is couping the administration. How will they react when cornered? Probably order the army or guard out.

The question becomes: will the army protect the criminal administration or march to the WH and arrest the criminals?

Last October I wrote the article below for Astroworld. I tend to take the astrological longview, rather than day by day aspects.

It seems to me that all I wrote is coming to fruition:

http://www.astroworld.us/archives/000327.html#000327

[His ideology, his ideas of "governance" HIS GOVERNMENT is beginning to crumble...and all of Humpty Dumpty's men aren't going to put it together again, because the boob is isolating himself and the rethuglicans are turning on him (or running as fast as they can, tsk-tsk ) The aloneness of it all when his friends have become his enemies as Uranus transits his 7th house.

Here's the Good News - for us, but not for Junior. Pluto transiting to his South Node is there from now to December and opposes his natal Uranus. This transit occurs in Junior's 5th house which is the 4th house of end of matters to his second house of money and finances. (Heh heh heh. What? You say Congress has woken up to Halliburton's being awarded no-bid contracts in Iraq?)

What does it mean? Well, Pluto is the investigator, the revealer of what is
deep and hidden and on Junior's South Node the discoverer of his secrets - in this case it's going to be financial secrets of his and his administration, and an END is going to be put to that underhanded financial wheeling and dealing and cronyism.

In the US chart, at the same time, Transiting Pluto in the 7th house sextiles the US Natal 18 Aquarian Moon in the 10th house of the Gemini rising chart. The sextile to the Moon indicates the public is going to begin to understand that some skullduggery has been going on.

But the stars tell us there's more to come. Karma can be so delicious! Pluto and the Moon form a YOD to the midpoint of the US natal Sun and Mercury. Mercury rules the Ascendant in the Gemini Rising US chart. The Ascendant in a mundane chart is "The People" of the country. The Sun rules the US 4th house of "home and end of matters". A YOD brings about a "forced adjustment"and since Mercury in the third house of our country's Communications and Media is involved in this YOD, we can expect a change (end) in the way the media has been covering up and censoring news about the boy wonder. Why? Because at the same time the Yod is activated, Saturn is also going to be on the "boy king's" Sun and the U.S. Sun. His power will be diminshed. Thank the Heavens and YODs for big blessings.

Transiting Pluto, never one to be pushed or hurried, is not moving off the boy king's South Node and opposing Uranus during the entire next six months. Those investigations and revelations will be worse than a Chinese water torture for him. Revelation after revelation. ( Well he is the religious one, he should enjoy revelation, but these revelations he won't.)

it may be a race as to whether he will be able to start another war before legal actions are taken against him, but he would be ill-advised to do so, with a grand square containing Transiting Mars squaring Transiting Pluto on his natal South Node squaring transiting Jupiter squaring his natal Uranus. Boy Wonder is going to be on a spending spree again, or try to be, and Congress and the people are going to be as mad as a hornet's nest with transiting Mars in the 11th house of Congress in the U.S. chart squaring the natal U.S. Mars/Uranus rising. Talk about poking a stick in Congress's eye!

The November eclipse will quincunx Dumbya's Sun while it is being transited by Saturn. He's going to have to make a lot of adjustments because stamping his foot and threatening, "You're either with me or agin me" just isn't going to work anymore.

At the Nov 23 Eclipse, while this drawn out upheaval is occurring in Boy Wonder's so called "homeland", Islam's chart is being angrily activated by a square from transiting Pluto to it's natal Mars at 19 Virgo and an opposition from transiting Mars to it's natal Mars. A T square with Mars opposing Mars and both squaring Pluto. The eclipse point itself at 1 Sag will square Islam's natal Uranus of uprising. By December transiting Jupiter will conjoin Islam's natal Mars in Virgo squaring transiting Pluto.

Boy Wonder's natal Uranus upsets and activates Islam's Warrior anger and as Resident-Select Boy Wonder's Natal Uranus at 19 Gemini fills in Islam's T square and makes it a Grand Square of Mars, Pluto, Mars and Uranus energies. There is nothing pleasant about Mars, Pluto, Uranus energies between countries or leaders of countries.

I ask you, is this the person who has any capacity to make peace in the Middle East?

By December transiting Jupiter will exactly square the Boy King's natal South Node conjunct transiting Pluto and all that has been hidden will come gushing out. The problem is, can Congress displace the Boy Wonder before Islam displaces us?]
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

So much of what was in the charts when I wrote the above last year has come to be.

But what strikes me is that at this G8 conference
dimson continued to present his plan to "democratize" the middle east, meaning ongoing wars and moving on other countries. Apparently the G-7 looked upon his proposal as if a madman
was presenting it.

Duh. Welcome to reality G-7. Unfortunately the boy wonder still doesn't get it. He has drained the economy, drained the military resources and to
continue with his plan for domination of the middle east, oh, excuse me, for "democratization"
of all of the middle east, he needs the help of the UN and the rest of the countries of the world - those very countries he mooned.

It would appear any further plans he has for world war with him as the leader doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell. Although he has already upset the balance in the Middle East and surely we can expect the spread of civil wars in the area. Then of course the Kurds have announced they will no longer honor their peace agreement with Turkey. If his purpose, as told to him by whatever evil spirit has his ear, was to bring on
Armageddon, he certainly may have started the ball
rolling.

However, as far as his proposal at the G8 to continue "democratization" (read initiate more pre-emptive attacks on countries) it's not nice to flip the bird to your historical allies, junior. Didn't Daddy tell you that or didn't you listen?

Perhaps the world will be saved from him - by the CIA and military coup - there is a saying ABB - anybody but *ush - there's also another saying -
be careful of what you ask for because you may get it.

Ridding America of this administration and the neo-cons would be beneficial to the world - but how long would the CIA/military be in charge of this country????

Pluto in Sagittarius. Sagittarius is always associated with freedom, law, and permanency

Permanent change to our freedom and our laws has already occurred. If you have a copy of the Constitution and The Bill of Rights save it. It'll be a valuable document one day - a history of what once was and is no more.

Fiore is in top form....

http://www.sfgate.com/comics/fiore/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1236211,00.html

He lied and cheated in the name of anti-communism

From Iraq, Reagan didn't look so freedom-loving

It will be odd for Iraqis to watch TV tonight (power cuts permitting) and hear the eulogies to freedom-loving Ronald Reagan at his state funeral. The motives behind US policy towards their country have always been a mystery, and if Iraqis sometimes explain to westerners that Saddam Hussein was a CIA agent whose appointed task was to provoke an American invasion of Iraq, it is largely thanks to Reagan's legacy.

Although Saddam was still a junior figure, it is a matter of record that the CIA station in Baghdad aided the coup which first brought the Ba'athists to power in 1963. But it was Reagan who, two decades later, turned US-Iraqi relations into a decisive wartime alliance. He sent a personal letter to Saddam Hussein in December 1983 offering help against Iran. The letter was hand-carried to Baghdad by Reagan's special envoy, Donald Rumsfeld.

Reagan liked several things about Saddam. A firm anti-communist, he had banned the party and executed or imprisoned thousands of its members. The Iraqi leader was also a bulwark against the mullahs in Tehran and a promising point of pressure against Syria and its Hizbullah clients in Lebanon who had just destroyed the US Marine compound in Beirut, killing over 200 Americans.

More...

http://www.lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski79.html

The Neocons’ One-Trick Pony

Since I retired to the gentle Shenandoah Mountains, I’ve noticed some strange goings on in Washington. This makes me indistinguishable from most of my neighbors. But I am different.

When I left the Pentagon, after an honorable twenty year military career, I was angry about what I thought were lies that some folks I worked for were putting out as truth. It bothered me even more because it seemed like they were lying on purpose, in order to get a little war, a little oil, a little financial advantage, the odd basing right. Damn lying government officials always bothered me, but I had never met any face-to-face until I worked in the Office of the Secretary of Defense.

Obviously, my decision – which was to go public with what I saw as soon as I could, and sooner – was not designed to promote my employment with certain institutions. For example, the American Enterprise Institute did not seek my contribution to the American enterprise. Cliff May at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies was not interested in my defense of this democracy. I didn’t receive a feverish call from Eleana Benador begging to represent me.

I didn’t get a call from the National Review or the Washington Times, or the Times’s Insight Magazine, or from Frontpagemag. The New York Post was not competing to headline my story. Neither was the New York Times.

In 2002, what I saw, and what many of us saw, was terribly dismaying. But none of us know the future, and perhaps, somehow, maybe, we were wrong about what we were seeing, hearing, experiencing. You can bet we all prayed that we were.

More...

....admission of guilt....or CYA...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-06-10-gitmo-gag_x.htm?csp=24

One more...

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2004/06/11/notes061104.DTL&nl=fix

Oh my flaming apocalyptic God but nothing beats a good conspiracy theory. Like this one
By Mark Morford

Oh man is it ever fun to annihilate the planet.

Especially when said annihilation is combined with a really juicy cataclysmic natural disaster and some fire-breathin' dread and maybe some planetary zigzagging, along with some sort of wondrous ancient Mayan/Hopi prophecies and much screaming and running and bloodshed and a mad global rending of flesh.

This is how it starts. Everyone from paranoid Rapture-ready right-wing conservatives to mysterious Australian astronomers to weird alarmist economists all suddenly realize their various yelps and screams and chat-room rants are running parallel and that they're all ringing the same bell.

And all their stories merge into some sort of dazzling interconnected web, an impressive and slightly disturbing jamboree of destruction and mayhem and global economic collapse that, if all goes as predicted, will all come down within the next few weeks....

More.....

THANKS PALLAS 18!

Astroworld: the only place to get firsthand accounts from the best astrologers. What irony that Savannah is once again caught in the grip of struggling forces within the United States. Bu$h is truly a bad dream from the Civil War ~ the reemergence of unresolved issues from the United States' war with itself.

Bu$h and the cabal are fascists. Prescott's ties to the Nazis, eliminating the black votes from the Florida elections, 9-11, the Patriot Act, the very existence of John Ashcroft, free speech zones and now pens, razor wire and cities under seige. None of this is accidental. I think Savannah is a warning. A very clear warning, just as I think the videotape of the execution of Nick Berg is a warning. It's not a warning from the government to the terrorists, either.

I've been processing Tarot cards and running through scenarios in my head and I don't see any way the Bu$h cabal can outlast the coming implosion. They can delay it, they can deny it, but Patriotic Americans + the CIA + the State Department + Conservative Republicans + Democrats + Nancy Reagen + the Pope + the other 6 billion people on Earth = Bu$h's days are numbered - they can't avoid it.

Especially because the CIA is against them. Now, the CIA are not necessarily our allies. They have their own loyalties, interests, motivations, goals and agendas. The CIA is to Bu$h and the Pentagon as the Ewoks are to the Empire. Bu$h thinks he *knows* the political landscape (which is the Forest of Endor) but the Ewoks know how to hide in plain sight. They know how to lay a trap far down the path and how to lead others unknowingly into it. You can take advantage of the Ewoks for a while, but...

...eventually they are going to make a xylophone out of stormtrooper helmets.

MEM HEY SHIN, thanks for a great article Pallas 18.
~D

I have been watching this incredibly beautiful ceremony of optimism laying Ronald Reagan to rest. I hear the word of praise of a man who was "real" and loving of all men. I hear the words of a man who loved this country. I am feeling as if I am sitting squarely in OZ.

I was there when Ronald Reagan first came to Office in Washington DC. I saw the bullying. I saw the shredding of documents in the EPA and other agencies. I knew the people who smuggled documents out of these agencies in an attempt to save the information for the people who own those documents. I met with the people from federal agencies, on the street, who no longer were safe talking on their telephones. All the numbers were changed, and lines were known to be tapped.

I remember watching the man form Shell Oil announce that in Ronald Reagan's promise to cut the size of the Federal Government, private industry was then taking over the distribution of fuel in case of war or natural disaster emergency. I was there.

I had friends who died because programs were cut, and they were now treated like criminals for applying for medical assistance. One I know died of fear, not her ailment.

Ronald Reagan brought the foxes into the hen house, and we are still dealing with them today. Little did we know then how much worse it was going to get. We dealt with the highest homeless rate in the history of this country, but it was to be topped by George HW Bush and now homelessness takes a back seat the Homeland Security, and the outsourcing of our industry, and white collar jobs.

Who are these people, and why are they doing this? These are certainly not "children of light".

Pallas,
That was so vivid, and brought home to me more emphatically, than any similar situation, in NY City or DC., how threatened we are!
My husband was activated ( Nat. G) to Ft.Stewart, near Savannah, from Oct. 1962 -
Aug. 1963, because of the Cuban Misslle crisis. He was offered a job by a local decorator & we almost stayed in Savannah.
Then in 1984 I visited there with a partner looking it over for possible retirement.........
With my N Venus 10o Aries, NMercury 16o Aries, N Sat. 23oAries conjunct Sav.'s N mars, 10oAries & N Sat. 13o Aries, and T Sat. 2 o away from a conjunction to my Psun 14o Cancer, I'm very glad to be here in Maine.
It is bad enough here! In this little Town of 1,300 people......there were those 2 white Government vans from out of state, labeled wildlife service, at the take out yesterday. I repeat.....they had COLD EYES!
I heard a time & day reminder over the police scanner, for a hazmat training to take place nearby, ( we have 3 policemen in town) 2 years ago we had 1 + his weekend part-timer!
My friend who is a Vet for Peace, pointed out to me the other day...that ALL those new storage units, out on the highway....on the way to Bangor, are equipped with caretakers cottages, and surrounded by razor wire!????
BAr Harbor, is just 45 min. away................that's where Casper Weinburger lived, until his death last week. Also there's a man who profited handsomly from building hospitals in Russia, in the early 90's.He was planning to build hospitals in Iraq last summer..........Ah well the best laid plans of mice & men.............
According to a friend who lives there, Mt Desert Island is a mini feifdom.....the ":folks" being the native Downeasters, who do the housekeeping and take care of the plumbing!
A final irony.....yesterday the Social Security people occupied my time for several hours....
with a letter stating they intended to change my date of receiving my WIdows pension, from the 3rd Weds of the month ( determined by my husbands birthdate) to the 3rd of the month.
Supposedly I had received it on the 3rd. of June. A trip down to the bank proved nay..........
Oh after another call & more menues, they are going to start on the 3rd. of July. For about an hour I thought I was going to have to squeeze thru on about $40. till July 3rd..
SO I called the Veterns Association.........I had been told that I might get severel $ for Ed's active duty service in the Nat. Guards.
Silly me!!!! Of course not. We were not at War then! We only had Russian missells in subs 90 miles off the coast of Florida, but because the then President JFK, handled it in a mature adult fashion.......we didn't declare war, just did what needed to be done!
I'm senbding vibes for the Coup!
PQOP

Be of good cheer.

Ronald Reagan ignored and refused to acknowledge
that AIDS, an incurable disease, was turning into
an epidemic that would affect the populations of the world. He refused to help in any manner

And so he contracted an incurable disease, Alzheimer's.

And the person who took his place in the WH refused to help, to finance or allow research which might have delayed the total onset of the
disease. He refused to help.

There are those who say Karma is nonsense.
That's because they don't understand the word.
If you put it in simple terms: what goes around,
comes around, they might get it.

We are silent witnesses to the Law of Karma.

MEM HEY SHIM - "The power of this Name brings the energy of healing at the deepest and most profound levels of my being"

MEM HEY SHIM - "The power of this Name brings the energy of healing at the deepest and most profound levels of my being"

http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/fr/fr040609_1_n.shtml

Bush's secret army - The USA hires contract soldiers to fight in Iraq

After the US government, who is the biggest single military contributor to the occupation of Iraq? Not Britain - as official figures claim - but private military companies. Over 10,000 men and women perform various jobs under contract to the military in Iraq we have been told. Furthermore, official US government figures indicate that out of a total US$85bn allocated by the USA for military operations in the Middle East this year, over a third will go to private contractors. A reality check: this figure is greater than the defence budgets of most countries.

The transfer of jobs performed by the military to private companies has a long history and is justifiable. Governments have a duty to get value for their taxpayers' money and many support jobs, such as providing logistical back-up in the form of transport, catering or housing, is best left to the private sector. Furthermore, a great deal of the military expenditure in purchasing new weapons actually goes on maintenance and technological upgrades.

How does this work in Iraq? When the USA launched its invasion last March, its battleships included civilians, operating some of the world's most sophisticated weapons systems. Unmanned Predator drones, the Global Hawks, and the B-2 stealth bombers went into action with weapons not only maintained, but actually operated by civilians.

The private sector became even more deeply involved in the war's aftermath. A US company has the lucrative contract to train the new Iraqi army; another to recruit and train an Iraqi police force. And even the life of the USA's chief civilian administration in Iraq, Paul Bremer, is usually protected by a private company, rather than conventional US troops.

A US-based company is providing patrols throughout Iraq and its arsenal ranges from M4 assault rifles to 20mm cannons mounted on its own helicopters. The company operates firing training ranges in the USA and actively recruits for what, to all intents and purposes, is now a private army. It is all perfectly legal.

Pallas, what a great thread!

The media turnaround is here with Liberal radio that blaringly exposes the Neptunian glow. O'Frankenfile more popular than Rush Windbag in some categories and it's just growing.
The internet doing the same exposure to the lies.
Love that Cosmic Justice. Who needs the movies when the Universe writes the best scripts?

"There are those who say Karma is nonsense.
That's because they don't understand the word.
If you put it in simple terms: what goes around,
comes around, they might get it.

We are silent witnesses to the Law of Karma."

http://www.houstonvoice.com/2004/6-11/news/national/regan.cfm
Reagan’s death renews debate over AIDS policy
Activists have mixed views on former president’s impact on gays, HIV

Reagan’s death on June 5 at age 93 of Alzheimer’s disease came on the 21st anniversary of the U.S. Center for Disease Control & Prevention’s first published report of gay men contracting a rare form of pneumonia in Los Angeles — the first identified cases of an illness that would later be named AIDS.

Light a Candle
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm
~D

Interesting, Pallas.

I read somewhere about a highly placed woman in the spiritual field who had the only-too-human characteristic of pride and arrogance. In later years she had two massive strokes which left her debilitated and bed ridden. Within 2 years she passed away, but before her passing she said to a friend that she became immobile to "instill in her a sense of humility, and to break her arrogance".

Interesting. I guess I never considered chronic illnesses to have much value.

Reagan became completely helpless in the last decade of his life, totally dependent upon his caretakers, and could not recognize family members or even think coherently. Interesting...

Now I've read that RR's son Ron Jr. in fact has an alternative lifestyle. I wonder how his father's harsh attitude toward AIDS affected his son. I also wonder about Cheney whose daughter is the same.

Now if someone could help me figure out how a family which is so criminal, law-breaking and obscene can catapult itself to the stratosphere of success and wealth.....the Bush Family.

I've read so many terrible things about them that it just boggles the mind....starting with Prescott Bush who was a senator and had dealings with the Nazis. The family fortune has been passed along and maintained, all the way down the line to George the Genius.

How is it that this family has been SO successful, and SO criminal? Does anyone really believe that I could possibly pull even 0.001% of all the criminality they do, and not end up in jail for the rest of my days?

Why does the universe keep supporting them? For 3, maybe 4 maybe 5 generations. Why doesn't the law of Karma work on these people?

Cliss,

the mills of the gods grind slowly
but they grind exceedingly fine.

~D

Pallas, thank you for the insightful into the preparations for the G8 meeting. I fear it is a dress rehearsal for what is coming.

Savannah is beautiful this time of year, as is most of the South. The gardenias are literally falling off my bushes, and the magnolias are in bloom. Bush feels the need to be totally surrounded by protective agents now that he is so hated. An island is a perfect setting... recall the one he and Blair and Anzar met on before the invasion of Iraq.

Long ago, the elegant retreat that is Sea Island was once a fishing ground for Native Americans, a conquest of European explorers and the site of grazing pastures. Along with other islands of coastal Georgia and South Carolina, it undoubtedly provided a haven for pirates in the early to mid 1700s.
The Black Commentator refers to Bush and his cohorts as pirates... a term I find quite appropriate. And indeed it is appropriate that Bush and Blair and others gathered together on an island, a short distance from Savannah’s famed ‘Pirate House’ Restaurant, a scant block from the Savannah River, which once served as a rendezvous for blood-thirsty pirates and sailors from the Seven Seas. Here seamen drank their fiery grog and discoursed, sailor fashion, on their adventures from Singapore to Shanghai and from San Francisco to Port Said.

First called Fifth Creek by Native Americans, the resort's name has changed from Isle of Palms to Long Island, Glynn Isle and finally, Sea Island. As with every other treasure on this planet, once the white male pirate learns of it, he purloins it for himself. Famous for his work in Palm Beach, architect Addison Mizner was commissioned to design The Cloister, and the result reflects the acclaimed architect's penchant for Mediterranean design. Set back from the ocean, the sprawling stucco building with terra cotta tile roof feels at once both comfortable and grand. The signature Spanish lounge features high-beamed ceilings and gothic style windows, and sunlit patios and cloistered terraces add to the casually elegant ambiance. The design of the hotel proved to be a complement to the property's beautiful natural setting, which was carefully enhanced at the hands of the talented landscape architect. Among the clusters of stately palms and graceful live oaks, stretches of green grass and expansive carpets of colorful flowerbeds were added. It was in this setting that Bush hosted the G8 meeting.

Think about that name for a moment, The Cloister...
Cloister – Etymology: Middle English cloistre, from Old French, from Medieval Latin claustrum, from Latin, bar, bolt, from claudere to close -- more at CLOSE.

Georgia was the 13th of the original colonies. XIII is the Scorpio card of the deck, the sign of secret and occult mysteries and secret activities.

The universe is manifesting in every possible way the corruption and exploitation of this country and its people since the white male first ‘discovered’ this treasure, in the form of Bush and his ilk. Not content with taking everything this country has to offer, they are moving their sights outward and onward. Exactly as pirates of the past, they are a law unto themselves, taking whatever they desire.

So far, no one has stood to stop them.

Indeed, this is a chilling account of what is happening in America. It is my sense that America is now entirely in the hands of the CIA/FBI Military complex. Consider how effective the Republicans overwhelmed the legislature, the senate and the executive branch. As pluto marches into the sign of Capricorn in 2008 and the U.S. Pluto is in the sign of Capricorn, the underbelly of this nation's agenda is being exposed-and this will continue. An unevolved Pluto in Capricorn is the essence of ruthlessness and highly organized, military control. There is no doubt the ultra rigid militaristic forces in this country (and abroad) are itching to cut the head off our Constitution and Bill of Rights once and for all. Baby boomers with Pluto in Leo will have one last fight on their hands during the next ten to fifteen years working with uranus/pluto in virgo group (mid 60's births) dedicated to human rights and true service oriented democratic reforms. For many boomers there will be no real rest into maturity and the elder years, but who can really rest with pluto in leo anyway!

I'm ready.

Pallas - Your comments about what happened at Savannah made me sad. I had the good fortune to visit there last summer and found it to be a sweet place with lovely people. It is also very small, very. You can walk it in an hour. So much "security" must have seemed brutish!

And speaking of brutish, I just read on DU that Fox has reported that there is talk that Guiliani would replace Cheyney and he, Cheyney would take over the CIA. The thought of this just makes me panic. First of all, while all of us here deeply appreciated the way Guiliani held the city together after 911, no one wanted to give him the 3rd term he wanted. In fact many of us considered his to be a fascist administration. The thought of he and his neo-con loving sidekick Kerick dipping their nasty digits into the national goverment makes me go pale. And Cheyney taking over the CIA just plain out makes me ill. Just when I thought we were on the verge of getting rid of him they pull a bait and switch.

Please, astrologers, is there any chance of them succeeding at this, will our national nightmare contimue?

The US Constituion & the Bill of Rights are just as immanent & valuable & necessary today, if not more so, as they were yesterday & will be tomorrow. I do not find them whatsoever "old Age," which is where buschie & the neocons are stuck.

Thank you, Pallas, for a great, well written & honest account of your experience (too bad we never met in S. Florida).

It made me think of my experiences in the 60s and the polarization between police ("pigs") and the activist youth. Yet, on my one March to D.C., I remember having a wonderful conversation with one of the police. I had a few more experiences with police during those years and, thankfully, none were negative. Some people, however, were horribly mistreated and abused, e.g. Kent State.

Many who are in uniform, despite their training, uniforms & badges, remain human, decent, kind, clear thinking. Then, there those who are so scarred & insecure & fearful that they hide behind structure, ridgidity, weapons, anal-compulsiveness. I like to think those are in the minority.

I thank G-d that the 60s happened and so many of us alive today (as well as the Indigos, the Crystals and many other youth) have learned the lesson of humaness, and that so much truth has been revealed in the decades since. As much secrecy as still exists, we still live a very open, information age, ruled by Uranus, the great revealer of truth (IMHO).

Remember the photo of a "flower child" giving flowers to some in men in uniform? Well, on this eve of martial law, where those who want to protect us, their families, their countries, their comrades and themselves and are may be too programmed or too scared to know what they are doing...Remember that they too are human and many will respond to kindness, politeness, flowers & love. Let's at least try to diffuse these polarized positions and shift toward the center.

MEM HEY SHIM - "The power of this Name brings the energy of healing at the deepest and most profound levels of my being"

I am happy, though, to see karma at work. At the same time I grieve for the innocent victims of these time who, although they go to their soul's home, should not be so frightfully abused on this plane. May the justice of the Creator with 72 names be done in their name.

Morgana, hang in there.

Namaste,
Sharon

Pallas18 thank you for such an interesting article.
In defense of spooks and other law enforcement officials, they are as unhappy with the current regime as the rest of us, appalled even. They no more want to see our nation destroyed then we do. My ex recently 'retired' he'd had it.

Begging everyone's pardon, but is it SHIM or SHIN ?

Just as ham-fisted oafs cannot defecate on the Great Cosmic Mother/Gaia, as She IS truly out of his kind of reach/grab, they also cannot defecate on the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. They can make the plexiglass look rather awful & smeary, but they cannot get at the Numinous Within. ;O)

Thanks, Pallas. As an Aquarius I've been thinking about our 3 Aquarius presidents: Lincoln, FDR, Reagan.

Attention US Voters (that is, if we do indeed vote in 2004 and thereafter): my theory is we should never vote for an Aquarius candidate who has not suffered. Lincoln grew up hard and knew what hardships common people live everyday. FDR learned the suffering life can bring when he had to deal with polio. Reagan was lucky all his life, until the end of it, toward the end of his presidency and afterward. As a result Reagan had that cold, detached Aquarian view of difficulty. When he was governor of California he responded to the comment that many Americans go to bed hungry with the quip: "That's because so many people are on a diet." Sorry to say this, but barring some mitigating aspects from other planets, I think Aquarians are not especially empathetic.

M, where on DU is that? I have some distractions here, so that's my excuse for now for not finding it. (-;

Thanks for noticing that it said "shim" M. There is no letter "shim" in the Hebrew alphabet. The name of the letter is "shin."

That was a beautiful description of Sea Island, GA, Jo. I know Mizner's work as he also designed parts of Boca Raton in similar fashion and it is very beautiful.

Pat

It's currently on page 6 at Du, and at Buzzflash

http://www.buzzflash.com/mailbag/04/06/mai04160.html
scroll down

Sharon- Thank you

Joanna,
I love your imagery! You are correct about the Numinous within... as I told you earlier, I am taking a different tack these days... trying to smell the flowers more... speaking of which, in addition to all the gardenias which are falling off the bushes, my daughter sent me a dozen roses, beautiful coral color which I have never before seen, with lots of baby's breath which I love so much... via Fed Ex, so they were still buds and I am feeling so loved... I am surrounding myself with their fragrance...

Morgana, I find the only shortcoming of cyberspace is we can't share 'smells' --- gardenias are wonderful IMHO... and I would love so to be able to reach across cyberspace and hand you a bouquet... try to visualize them... I love Billie Holiday's music, and I once read that she (Lady of the gardenia) filled the tub with gardenia petals and bathed in the scent... so, I tried it... wonderful, but I had not counted on the tiny little insects that also enjoy the fragrance! It was lovely though... all of us wish you the very best... we love you and your morgana music... think of you often... namaste

if you can bear it, go to fox news and
tell them who you want to vote for
in the Nov election!!!
mimi

Thank you M! I found it.

Jo, awesome imagry....as usual. (-:

Hey there Mimi!!

Good catch. Can't put anything past these intellectual eyes at Sally's Salon.

It is MEM HEY SHIN with an N.

And I'm so happy so many of you repeat it. The first time I read it, I felt an instant release.
It is said that one can stare at the Hebrew Letters of this name or any of the other names, without knowing Hebrew or the meaning of the letters and be healed.

MEM HEY SHIN - "The power of this Name brings the energy of healing at the deepest and most profound levels of my being"

I can't imagine that the CIA would agree with Cheney replacing Tenet. That would be like the Ewoks making their leader Jabba the Hutt.
~D

Yeah but.....these are neocons.

Cable news announced that Kerry did meet with
McCain and they DID talk about McCain and the
Vice Presidency, which he turned down, although in
cya fashion, Kerry says discussions took place but
the offer was not made.

Sorry. I don't like Kerry for President. McCain supports conservative policies which are bad enough without being a neo-con. What it says about Kerry is that he's a middle of the liner, and his policies will not be different enough.
We need someone from the other end of the pendulum swing, not a conciliator with the neo-cons and republicans.

We need restoration of the law - although as an astrologer I don't think that will ever happen.

And if any delegates are reading, please have a run away convention and nominate someone else.

I feel like I have no one to vote for - with this news.

http://tinyurl.com/2uywq

US probes Halliburton payments to Nigeria

US regulators have launched a formal investigation into allegations that a Halliburton joint venture paid bribes to win a multi-billion dollar construction project in Nigeria.

The US Securities and Exchange Commission had requested information to determine whether Halliburton broke US laws against bribing officials abroad, the oil services company disclosed on Friday. It said it was also discussing the matter with the justice department . Halliburton said it was co-operating with the inquiry.

More...

And if any delegates are reading, please have a run away convention and nominate someone else.

I feel like I have no one to vote for - with this news.

Posted by: Pallas18 on June 11, 2004 11:22 PM

I agree wholeheartedly. If the reports are true, John Kerry is really the wrong man for the job. It would indicate, for me, that he sees only goal of nabbing the "brass ring" (the presidency). All the other stuff--policy, responsibility, true vision--are out the window.

What are we to do?
Does this boil down to the "lesser of two evils"?

I am uninspired.

Pallas, Maybe Kerry went too far by asking McCain...On the other hand, they are good friends, both ex Viet Nam vets, and have worked together in Congress. IMHO, I think Kerry likes and admires McCain, and, at the same time is looking for a sure thing, but not only that -- it could be an inspired way to unite the country. I know it seems like things will never change, but remember the Venus transit, remember the Age of Aquarius, look at the Big Picture, and then consider the fact that one moderate way to create change (remember Buddha's Middle Path)is legally, slowly, and by building consensus within the system. On the other hand, sometimes it takes revolution. I'll bet Kerry is banking on the first way...I hope it works. I may end up being disappointed but I think he can be a good stepping stone on the path to reform and I'm hoping he will allow Howard Dean, Kuccinich, and similar people to have input. Remember he is from a very liberal, progressive state and works with Ted Kennedy, one of most humanitarian senators.

my comments on the Reagan alzheimer/ karma connection: karma is not a punishment. Karma is always a tool for learning. Alzheimer's is caused by a desire to remain in the past and feeling useless in the present; difficulty in imagining the future and a desire to return to childhood (from Permanent Healing by Dr. Daniel Condron, D.M.,D.D.,M.S.) One could apply this in the Reagan scenario by noting how Nancy controlled & managed "Ronny's" life & affairs, and his dependency and reliance on her in doing so, also the whole "mommy" thing.

I don't for one minute believe Kerry asked McCain about the VP spot... the Demo blogs weeks ago expressed their opposition to having a Republican on the ticket... we have enough talent in the Demo party, thank you very much. There are other things they might have discussed... one is the forthcoming eruption of torturegate or any one of a litany of charges against Bush and Cheney... there is talk about 'the line of succession' on the board... with Bush/Cheney gone, Hastert would be next in line... there's a strong wind blowing, and McCain might be one of the charging Republicans who together with the Demos remove these two --- if that happens, McCain might be running at the Republican Convention... and before you ask what I've been smoking, let me tell you I don't... the real Republicans are sick over what is happening to the country and to their party... in a way, RR's death reminded them they were once respected. Josh Marshall (talking points memo) speaks to removing Bush before the election. You have to read carefully, but it's there.

Frankly I don't want to be 'inspired' by a candidate if it means a charming con man who shouts false promises. Haven't we had enough of those? I'm ready for a rock solid guy to take charge of a mess, and begin the cleanup. Kerry looks the part to me. I'm sticking with him, and pray there are no attempts to take his life. Teresa Heinz Kerry has a wonderful chart for a First Lady.

I'm with Joanna on this one... Bush/Cheney et al are doing their best, but it's not good enough to break the spirit of this country. We have karma coming, we have lessons to learn... but unless we are willing to hand the country over, they can't take it... They can't even control Iraq... look what the people there are doing to survive, to take their country back. There's 'backbone'... where the heck is ours?

Looking for a leader? Mother Theresa said, "If the people lead, the leaders will follow"...

Pallas 18 & Mia: with all due respect, how can you reject Kerry based on a news report in the media we all know is a sham and a joke?

you can't have it both ways:
--if you criticize kerry for this, then you believe the corporate media;
--if you don't believe the corporate/corrupt media, then you can't use their 'data' to criticize kerry.

let's all take a breath and let events unfold to see how 'finely' the universe grinds our problem children at the white house child care center. we don't know what's in kerry's mind and it takes some real care to read between the lines in the fraudulent media. they lie like dogs (with all due appologies to dogs).

Jo, YOU GO, GAL!! ;O)

* Besieged, Bothered, Bewildered – and Busted: Neocon-gate: It's one big neocon nervous breakdown http://www.antiwar.com/justin/

Did anyone see the sci-fi horror film, "The Blob?" When terms like "corporation," "the state," "big govt" etc. are used, I think of the blob. But you know? Behind the Blobs are very fallible, little groups of the anglo-, andro- & ego-centric (they don't have to be pathologically selfish, but they almost invariably are since, in their micro-brains, they're dissociated from The Whole or The Holy)... certifiably insane according to the DSMIV. Their day is over anyway. They belong to another Age. Blessed Be.

Folks,

The Kerry McCain thing is not a lie.

AP reported it. McCain admitted the meeting.
Kerry's people said no comment.

I have refused to watch the Reagan circus - and it's every channel, although in flicking past I did catch one thing I can agree with which Ronald Reagan said when he was asked why he left the Democratic party.

"I didn;t leave the party, it left me."

I wonder if with these electronic voting machines
there is any way to write in a candidate?

I think I'll let the DNC and DLC and Kerry campaign know how I feel about their actions.

Al Gore. Dean. Edwards - any one would do just fine.

"If the reports are true, John Kerry is really the wrong man for the job. It would indicate, for me, that he sees only goal of nabbing the "brass ring" (the presidency). All the other stuff--policy, responsibility, true vision--are out the window." - MIA

Exactly.

Agreed.

I have a very hard time believing the story about Cheney and Guilliani. Removing Cheney from the ticket would only be done for "health reasons", thus he certainly couldn't be seen to handle the stress of the CIA. Cheney also looks very unhappy after the Inauguration for a few months with the Saturn station opposite his Venus. That doesn't look like any kind of victory to me. Guiliani has Uranus coming to square his Sun Uranus conjunction starting in March. So big changes BEGIN in March 2005 and go on for several months. That doesn't look like a campaign and an election and then settling in around February /March. It looks like a whole new focus and change of location beginning around then (the Sun rules his Ascendant).

Regarding Bush's karma, my fantasy is that he will come back to a poor, hungry family, with the karmic goal of developing some real compassion. Perhaps it will be where birth control and abortion are unavailable, and he has to share with 15 or so brothers and sisters. Perhaps it will be on the coast somewhere, and his house will be flooded due to global warming (which doesn't exist of course). It would be nice if he learned some honesty and a hard work ethic, but that could take several more centuries. Eventually, he may be in a position of power once again and hopefully will have learned not to abuse it. No doubt, we will all be there to find out. (/fantasy)

Yes, it would make more sense for Giuliani to be
named as head of CIA for which he is capable.

But you never know. As someone said, these are neo-cons, anything goes, and Cheney who obviously wants to run his own intel service would be in his
element, get his wish.

With a 36% approval rating by the public, it would
make sense for Cheney to be off the ticket - and
as we have seen when dimson says he supports someone or something wholeheartedly, their shelf life is very limited. :)

Nice article, Pallas!! It must have been really frightening to witness this in America. I think I have been in a permanent state of shock since December 12, 2000. It is one thing after another with this crew. Underneath, they are terrified and cover it with their fascistic ways. (Moon/Pluto conjunction in the Inaugural)

Bless you Nancy. I am much comforted, thank you! What are your thoughts on the Ruppert article? Do you see them being gone before the Repub Con ?

Joanna: i not only saw the blob, i had the writer as a house guest years ago. he wrote it under a pseudonym due to the black list. we watched the movie and howled at the crypto-marxist stuff he put in: the kids are the heroes, the cops are stupid, the city elders are fools. if you watch it again, it's hilarious to check out the tongue in cheek 'subversive' themes. your interpretation of the blob as crushing capitalism/corporatism is exactly what the ersatz author had in mind!!!

on a more serious note, Pallas 18 said:

"Folks,

The Kerry McCain thing is not a lie.

AP reported it. McCain admitted the meeting.
Kerry's people said no comment."

You support a generically false source, the corporate media, with a specific corrupt corporate media player, the AP. they stink to high heaven and push for bush all the time. let's just get over it: kerry is the candidate, if you don't support him, you support bush. we are well past the decades where the left (in the west at least) loses every time because we're so divided. when you have the urge to subvert bush’s defeat, go read Betty Bowers (previously cited) and ask who she’ll be voting for: ANY*BODY*BUT*BUSH.

I'm with mike on this one. This whole doubting Kerry thing reminds me of an event that happen to me during my flying lessons years ago. My instructor told me to take the airplane to a very high altitude because we were going to do "wing stalls." To make a long story short, we ended up with the nose of the plane pointing straight down, going very fast and spinning. I was terrified. I had never seen that view from an airplane (my father was a pilot) before. My instructor told me, very matter of factly, "first thing you want to do is stop the spinning." And then he proceeded to tell me, still very calmly, "now I want you to pull up the nose real easy because we don't want to tear the wings off." That's where we are right now. We are pointing straight down, going very fast and spinning. We have to first stop the spinning by getting bush out. I don't know if Kerry is the "right guy" for the job but I sure as hell don't trust anything the media says. The reason we don't know much about Kerry is because the media won't let us. There is a reason the people of Iowa went for Kerry over the others. Let's just hope their right. Kerry has been around a long time, let's trust he knows what he is doing.

http://tinyurl.com/29spr

Limbaugh Says 10-Year Marriage at an End

snip....

It was the third marriage for both Limbaugh, 53, and his wife, who were wed in May 1994 at the Virginia home of U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. Thomas officiated the ceremony.

Marta Fitzgerald Limbaugh, who is 45 according to her driving record, could not be reached for comment and it was unknown if she retained an attorney.

The couple shared a $24 million oceanfront mansion in Palm Beach. Limbaugh often broadcasts his daily three-hour show from a Palm Beach studio.

More....

The intertwinement of these people is unbelievable!

I know I am horribly unsophisticated politically but I have opinions, ill informed though some of them are. I thoroughly enjoy the give and take of this board and I have learned much.

Unless Al Gore were to suddenly announce his candidacy, I'll support Kerry. After 4 years of watching a spoiled child in the White House moving this country further and further to the right, I'm ready for a mature, steady president. And middle of the road is fine with me. I'm tired of extremism and everywhere you turn you find division. I'm glad McCain is out as vp but I understand how reaching towards a republican could have had vast benefits for Kerry. I'll be glad when he makes his decision on vp.

abilene, what a wonderful analogy...america as a 'no spin zone. a righteous first step. teresa, i saw gore's speech at the MoveOn meeting in nyc. it was the full embodiment of everything i feel about our current state. i'd be happy if Gore were able to serve his first term. but alas, we will have to do with what we have. the wild card is the prediction of the infamous astrologer Michael Lutin who during the 2000 mess said the loser (bush) would be the winner and the situation would be reversed in 2004(gore!). what a trip! maybe sally is right and we're in for a huge glitch in the proscess of presumptiveness.

You are right Mike, we cannot have it both ways with the press, we either believe every word they say or we don't and we cannot hold Kerry to a standard that we find lacking in the first place. I hope we all remember your words during the next oh too long 5 months

This may have already been done but has anybody looked at the charts of people of the media? So much focus is on the adminstration. It would be interesting to know about Rush, O'Reilly and Coulter. Will their careers continue to be successful or are they ready for a fall? I sometimes think we make a mistake by not looking at the media. What about Peter Jennings, Chris Matthews or Leslie Stahl? I remember when Lennon died it was more telling looking at the chart of the reporter that did the interviews for Rolling Stones right before he died. John and Yoko agreed to him only after reading his chart. It had showed that he was coming to a momentous time in his career. Let's just say the rest is history. Perhaps we could get insights by looking at the "media players" around bush.

Oops, that was me at 03:10 AM. I thought it had remembered my name.

Report on Brad Delong's blog about a Seymour Hersh lecture in Chicago ends with this:
"He said that after he broke Abu Ghraib people are coming out of the woodwork to tell him this stuff. He said he had seen all the Abu Ghraib pictures. He said, "You haven't begun to see evil..." then trailed off. He said, "horrible things done to children of women prisoners, as the cameras run."

He looked frightened."

http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/2004_archives/000987.html

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Labour takes a beating

A BBC survey of selected wards suggested the result equated to a 38% share of the popular vote for the Conservatives, followed by the Liberal Democrats on 29% with Labour trailing in third place on 26%. Other surveys put the Tories even higher.

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/elections2004/story/0,14549,1237187,00.html

Charges of illegal postal ballot are all over the Brit papers... what we in the South used to call 'stuffing the ballot box' ---

Seems Dubya must have given his friend some pointers about how to survive an election. Bet Blair is wishing he hadn't move the election up to October (from the spring of 2005)... Labour MPs are calling to 'push it forward to 2006'! What happens now? Will Gordon Brown expect Blair to honor his agreement? Will Blair step down? Stay tuned for as the 'World Turns' --- Australia is up next and Howard is going to get romped! A preview of November? H@#$ Yes, I say.

A write in for Dean is a vote for Bush. A vote for Bush is a death knell for our republic, our democracy, our very way of life. Period.

Mary Rose,
where are you? We need a Brit's take on the elections...

M - I don't think shrubco will be gone before the convention. Rummy might go in early July when Saturn crosses his Sun. It will be a difficult time for him at the very least. But something difficult is likely in early September that hits the US when Saturn crosses US Mercury for the first time. Oil, currency, financial, trade issues? But what is striking is that Shrub has a natal Saturn/ MC square, and that Saturn in early September begins its square to Bush's MC. He will be hit hard by events in terms of popularity and reputation, I think. I don't see him leaving before the election, but I see him weakening, a constant erosion due to events. Right now even with his seeming compromises, it is too little too late for people to ever trust him.

Nancy, I just love your take on things. Just when things look darkest, you speak up and shed a little hope on us. Good night, all. Making this an early night so I can get up to do some weeding before the rains come again. Oh, one thing I noticed from GWB's eulogy...he borrowed something that was said at Lincoln's funeral. Re: Reagan: Now he belongs to the ages.

Chirac Politely takes on Bush

AFP reports that on a number of occasions French president Jacques Chirac exhibited independence from the Bush agenda. He wore a coat and tie at Sea Island, Georgia, despite President Bush's request for informality. He refused to see NATO troops sent to Iraq.

On NATO, according to AP he said in part:

I do not think that it is NATO's job to intervene in Iraq," Chirac told reporters in a videoconference from Sea Island, the private resort where the leaders have gathered. "Moreover, I do not have the feeling that it would be either timely or necessarily well understood," said Chirac, adding that he had "strong reservations on this initiative."

On June 8, Chirac took on the idea of democratizing "the Greater Middle East." He admitted that it could "contribute, in a strong and useful way for the region, to the progress of reforms engaged in by the countries of the region." But he affirmed that the Israeli-Palestinian and the Iraq conflicts were "the primary obstacles" to the success of reforms in these countries, because of "the resentments and frustrations" that they engender, according to the text of his declaration made public by the French president's office.

He said, "The countries of the Middle East and North Africa do not need missionaries of democracy." He added tht "There is no already-made democratic formula that one could transpose from one country to another. Democracy is not a method, but a culture. If one wants to see liberty, respect for human rights, and the rule of law impose themeslves on a country, it is necessary first of all to respect the liberty and independence of that country . . . reform cannot be decreed from the outside. It is accomplished from the inside." He insisted that progress on the Israeli-Palestinian dispute was key to making advances in the area of reform.

Chirac spoke forthrightly about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in a way that is not allowed to a US politician bacause of pro-Israeli special interest lobbies that punish anyone who steps out of line. (That is why Senator Fritz Hollings had to wait until he was about to retire before speaking out on the issue).

He said, "It is self-evident that all joint approaches to the problem of what one today calls "The Greater Middle East and North Africa" presuppose that there will have been progress--something we cannot see today--in returning to peace between the Palestinians and the Israelis. For one cannot de-link a certain number of phenomena which are taking place in the world today from the impetus that was given them from the beginning of the conflict."

The Washington Post reported,
"The conflicts ravaging the region are today the paramount obstacles to its development," Chirac said. "We must take measure of the resentments and frustrations from one end of the Arab world to the other, fueled by the daily spectacle of violence and humiliation in places so laden with history and symbols."

http://www.juancole.com

Cole has a really fine piece today also on how the refusal to allow early elections in Iraq may have derailed the military campaign.
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I've read most of the articles in archives... and I don't remember, but has anyone looked at Chirac's chart..? Particularly in respect to Bush?

posted by Juan @ 6/11/2004 07:33:22 AM

This one is for Roxanne:

Nader Arizona ballot problems
by kos
Fri Jun 11th, 2004 at 19:24:59 EDT

Consider as rumour until verified, but this has been a solid source in the past.
42 Democratic volunteers in Phoenix are currently checking Nader's Arizona petition signatures. Nader needs a 32 percent bad signature rate to be knocked off the ballot, and so far, after 2,000 checked, the rate is 37 percent.

Of those 2,000 signatures, 5 percent have been Democrats, 3 percent "other" or independent, and 92 percent Republican. If this number is verified, and if it holds up over the full 22,000 petition signatures, it will be a clear indication from where Nader's "support" comes.

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Anyone not clear on who is supporting Ralph Nader or from whom he will take votes?

"Let the light shine, Let the light shine, the light shine in..."

Jo, great analysis and reporting. who needs the main-stream press!

Jo, we all know it, but it is wonderful to PROVE it once and for all.

See? This piece of junk is highly manipulative & dishonest. The truth comes out, it appears, a few paragraphs down.

* AP: McCain Rejects Kerry's VP Overture
By RON FOURNIER, AP Political Writer

WASHINGTON - Repub Sen John McCain has personally rejected John Kerry's overtures to join the Democratic presidential ticket and forge a bipartisan alliance against bush, The Associated Press has learned.

Kerry has asked McCain as recently as late last mo to consider becoming his running mate, but the AZ senator said he's not interested, said a Democratic[?!?!] official who spoke on condition of anonymity because Kerry has insisted that his deliberations be kept private. A 2nd official familiar with the conversations confirmed the acct, & said the AZ senator made it clear he won't change his mind.

**Both officials said KERRY STOPPED SHORT OF OFFERING [the writer's interpretation that Kerry was even going to offer the stupid job?!?!] McCAIN THE JOB, sparing himself an outright rejection that would make his eventual running mate look like a 2nd choice.

"SEN MCCAIN CATEGORICALLY STATES THAT HE HAS NOT BEEN OFFERED THE VICE PRESIDENCY BY ANY ONE," SAID MCCAIN'S CHIEF OF STAFF, MARK SALTER, WHO WOULD NOT CONFIRM THE OFFICIALS' ACCOUNT.** ... http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&e=3&u=/ap/20040611/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_mccain

I vote Kerry... my fav is Carol Mosley-Brawn & Dennis Kucinich. But that's right... a coopted press needs to be read & believed with a hefty box of salt & then read past the first 4 to 6 paragraphs.

That's interesting about the Blob, Mike! Thanks for that! ;O)

Thank you again Nancy, I guess it's important to remember to "hold the line" during these times and not, go screaming into the night. Your writing keeps me from doing that!

As for Chirac...I would be interested in a comparison of the US and France charts. We have a long history with that country and I would guess that not many who were buying freedom fries recently are aware that the French financed the American Revolation, to such an extent that it was that which banrupted their country, not the profligate spending of a queen, and tipped the balance to the French Revolution. A revolution in each country, in the same time frame, is an amazing confluence of energy, though theirs led to "The Terror" fostered by their neo-cons and ours led to freedom which our neo-cons are now trying to destroy by the use of terror.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/06/10/nader/print.html

Nader's Republican pipe dream
The spoiler candidate insists he's drawing GOP voters away from George W. Bush. There's only one problem: They only exist in his mind.

Ralph Nader's latest presidential campaign does not have an official slogan. It does, however, have a kind of official rationalization. "I think I'm going to take more votes away from Republicans than from Democrats," Nader says, almost every time he speaks. Democrats doubt this theory. And Nader admits no Republicans have asked him to leave the race or expressed fear he will siphon votes from Bush. "I don't think they're in with the trend," Nader explained.

But Nader insists his Republican backers are real. To find out more, I spent a good chunk of time over the last few weeks talking to Nader supporters in New England. I attended Nader meetups, Nader volunteer meetings, Nader campaign events and Nader press conferences. I spoke with Nader supporters who are still in high school, and Nader supporters with gray hair. I talked to people who have admired Nader since the 1960s, and others who first heard of him last year. I found Nader supporters who have voted for him multiple times, Nader supporters who have never voted, and Nader supporters who voted for Al Gore in 2000.

What I did not find, however, was a single supporter of Ralph Nader who voted for George W. Bush in 2000, or who had been planning to support Bush this year before Nader entered the race. After a while, I felt like a stymied naturalist stalking a rare species. Sure, Naderus Republicanus must exist somewhere, but it is an unusual creature, capable of eluding human observation for long stretches of time.

Nader supporters themselves treat the idea as a curiosity -- even in states where Republicans are supposedly most independent-minded. Take Greg Stott, a schoolteacher from Goshen, N.H., who attended a recent Nader press conference in Concord, the state capital, holding a "Teachers for Ralph" sign. Stott is a registered Democrat. Does he know any Republicans or former Bush voters who are supporting Nader this year?

"No, I don't," replied Stott. "That's a pretty big leap. I haven't met anybody [like that] yet. I have met a lot of Democrats who have switched over. I mean, a lot."

Even Nader himself has only caught a few fleeting glimpses of his Republican backers. Unable to locate Naderus Republicanus, I sat down with Nader for an interview in Concord, to ask him about the subject. "Have you encountered people who have told you they supported Republicans in the past, and Bush in 2000?" I queried. "Oh, yes," Nader answered immediately.

Really? Where?

More...

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/06/11/terror_report/print.html

Cooking the books on terror
The State Department finally admits that its report on terrorist activity since 2001 -- which showed improvement under Bush -- was marred by bad data funneled to it by other White House agencies. Sound familiar?

More...

I just read M’s post from earlier in the day about Cheney/Guliani. . .It made me recalled how sometime ago I remembered reading how the psychic/Astrologer Elizabeth Joyce Predicated Cheney would resign this year. She said the word put out to the press would be he resigned for health reason, (“She said, “don’t buy it”)

She went on to predict how she saw Rudy Guliani running as Vice President with Bush. “ But in the end Bush would not be running either”.

I don’t know anything about her reputation, but if there are now rumblings and rumours in the press about Guliani replacing Cheney maybe she could be on to something. . .. . .Do I darn hope her prediction of “Bush Not Running Either” could actually happen

rudy guliani -- my dream republican presidential or vide presidential candidate. he's pro choice, tolerant of gays, and had an open affair while he was married. the droves of xtians staying home in protest would give the forces of light (or lite-light for the perfectionists) a clean sweep.

nancy, i've struggled to think through your commend that the repugs might retain the house due to the happy stars in tom 'the exterminator' delay's chart. my alternative explanations are (wishful thinking maybe): he's got happy stars because he's not indited in the scandal in texas or he's got happy stars because he gets a hung jury or is acquited in his scandal trial (both of which would allow for happy tom and unhappy house repugs). i take this stuff to seriously!

Mike

Michael Lutin is a very talented and popular astrologer among other astrologers (as well as unconventional). I'd like to see Lutin's delineation saying things will be flipped and Gore will be President this time. Do you have a link to his previous predictions on dimson and Gore?

Kaye

Elizabeth Joyce in the 80's was not known to have a high degree of accuracy by her colleagues, although she developed amazing marketing skills and has put them to good use. I also hope this is one of her better predictions.

Nancy

I wasn't frightened, I was angry. And if my companion hadn't been holding me back I would have
had something to say to the young Georgia guardsmen and cops in Bennigan's. Even my companion, a far right winger, admitted tonight that what was going on in Savannah was pure intimidation.

The entertainers at the outdoor concert who were doing popular songs with guitar, began to sing some protest songs, (as the guardsmen walked through the center) and got rousing applause and laughter from the audience present. It's obvious I wasn't the only one who was angry. It's really too bad that the national press didn't cover these things.

The whole country needs to see what is going on. The whole country needs to get on its feet and shout a collective NO to the actions of this government against the rights of the people.

Since you use the Sag Rising Chart, Saturn crosses Mercury in the 8th house - financial/economic problems likely caused by 9th house matters - pull out of foreign monies from the market is a possibility, and it could also be separation from a foreign partner - when does Tony's election come up?

The Face of Evil: CACI and Titan.

I've been following the fortunes of both Titan Corp. and CACI, both companies whose fates are tied together in the Abu Ghraib prison scandal.

This week, a group of 9 Iraqis have banded together to sue Titan corporation for mistreatment. I don't know how much they are asking in damages, but I assume it's a lot of money.

At the same time, the nation's largest pension plan, Calpers, is calling CACI into question about its practices. They own stock in both companies, and are getting cold feet about owning these radioactive companies. (they lost a huge amount of money in the Enron scandal).

Next, I checked the Dow Jones financial report. Most analysts have now downgraded these stocks. They have gone down, and there is a slough of articles referring to 'Prison abuse will cost CACI', 'Titan being sued for abuse allegations'.

Another article mentioned that both companies 'May face ban on government work'. That may just throw a monkey wrench in their future torture plans.

I wonder if anybody has done a chart on either of these companies to follow their fate. I'll see what I can find as far as inception date.

* Humbled Blair Faces Party Anguish Over Poll Defeat http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=574&ncid=721&e=1&u=/nm/20040612/wl_nm/britain_dc

;O)

* Rush Limbaugh and wife to divorce

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) - Con radio commentator Rush Limbaugh announced Fri that he & his wife, Marta, are divorcing. ...

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/8902488.htm?1c

Hasn't been any ten years... druggie, thrice-divorced, "family values" limbaugh finds it impossible to tell the truth. Figures. She's probably real tired of hanging around an acting-out druggie... they are real mean.

Interesting balanced but ultimately pro-Kerry article by Adrian Duncan. Don't know if it was posted here yet.

http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/04_articles/2004/04_kerry.htm

John Kerry: Antiwar warrior

You don’t win a presidential election in the USA through good behavior. Americans like their presidents to be human, with the failings of human beings. And a dose of machismo does not harm either. Presidential candidates may try to portray a squeaky clean moral image, but looking back, we can see that Kennedy was a womanizer, Nixon a mendacious cynic, Reagan a macho star, and Clinton a man addicted to sexual conquests. That’s why they were liked. Jimmy Carter was an embarrassment to the American people – and he was truly a good man.

- More

When I step back to a historical perspective I realize the America we thought we had was only an illusion (US Mars square Neptune, Mars co-ruling the 12th house and Neptune in the 9th of higher mind) What we thought we had here in America was all an illusion. Like Chirac said "democracy is not a model, it's a culture."

I was thinking about the movies and how much our concept of our leaders and what they and America should be are based on movies. The John Wayne model (Reagan) the musicals and comedy ( Ford and Carter) the feel good movies of WWI (when Johnnie comes marching home again) (FDR) WWII, (Eisenhower) cowboys and indians, Roy Rogers, Gene Autry, (Bush) the bad guys (Nixon)
Cary Grant,Errol Flynn, Rhett Butler (JFK and Clinton) the tough guys (Truman) Vietnam tragdy (Kerry)

In the past Pluto has aspected the Mars/Neptune square always with dramatic results. Right now is the first time Pluto has been in the 1st house of the USA self in aspect to Mars/Neptune, rattling the fantasies we held during the 20th Century.

We are losing our illusions and the hardest thing anyone ever faces are the lies we tell ourselves. And we all have them. Believing we have the perfect child, spouse, job, car, we will never really be old, nothing bad can happen to me, we won't gain weight with all this ice-cream, nothing can hurt us, our money, house, family is safe, those illusions and more. Pluto in the 1st house is a very big deal in shifting the individual or collective psyche.

Someone posted under this article that some Dr. said Alzheimer's was a desire to return to childhood, to the past, I don't know if I believe that, nonetheless isn't that what we keep saying "I want the America I thought we had?" That's what I thought when the kids at Kent State were killed by the US government.

This whole regime is going to be gone, I don't know if it will be on Nov. 2, but it will be gone and we have the opportunity to step out of our illusions and really build 'freedom for all.' To start building a better America one based in, I don't know, a better illusion, one that is honest. We, the people, around the world are not finished with this revolution, not by a long shot, it hasn't even really started yet.

I wrote this to someone and they wrote back to say the when Pluto hits 25 Sagittarius and then Capricorn the real chaos begins. The reality is Pluto, Uranus, Neptune, Saturn keeps marching around the earth and has done so for million of years and chaos has certainly ensued, that will never change, but what can change is our (the collective) response to the chaos. We can start demanding answers from our leaders, honest answers. We can boycott different companies and say why we are boycotting them. We can keep fact sheets in our purse and pockets to tell people (when the subject comes up) just why we are upset with present policies, and what is really happening in the government and corporate america, and we can do lots of other things, big and small. Most of all we can pick and hold in our mind a different illusion, pick a different movie.

Pluto was in Scorpio in the 80's and that's when he started his digging into the "dirt" now Neptune is in Aquarius (dissolving some of that scum and bringing it to the surface and Uranus in Pisces is trying to heal it, but unless we see we are a sick nation we cannot heal.

I think about the women who fought so long for the right to vote because it was right, the african/americans who fought so long for civil rights, because it was right. Many of them did not live to see the result of their work, but they kept fighting for what was right, and that's what we must do because there is a lot wrong in this country at this point in time. One of my favorite poems is "don't go gently into the good night, rage, rage, against the dying of the light."

Whoops almost forgot, for those who wish a little information on what is happening to Blair, I wrote and article July 8, 2003 (I think that's the date) called "The Battle of the Bees" it can be accessed through the archives under my name.

Sally, what period of time is this?

"... when Pluto hits 25 Sagittarius and then Capricorn the real chaos begins."

I am ready to fight for what is right. I've been giving all of this some thought, and I know that the people in office now would hurt me, you, all of us. I am still ready to stand up and fight for my life, my children's lives, and grandchildren. We owe it to ourselves. Some things are worth the fight, and even getting hurt in the process. I'm willing to stand outside the White House and demand that the occupant get out, and stay out. We may have to. I also think "we" will survive.

"I'm willing to stand outside the White House and demand that the occupant get out, and stay out."

Well said Pat! As Dean proclaims, "You have the power!" There are millions more, including me, that are ready to do just that.

ugh

the latest rumor posted at dkos is kerry asked gephardt to be VP

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/6/12/32534/5557

If True, all I have to say is it is a darn good thing it June. Gephardt's political machine ( courtesy of his attack poodle Aboussie ) in Missouri have dragged the democratic party down. It's all about geppies people and the average person who isn't a geppie groupie is shut out. At the state dem convention the state party tried to shut out a long time member because she supports Claire McCaskill who is not a geppie groupie. Fortunately they had to let the people vote on whether Sandra Querry would be re-elected as a DNC member for the party. A move was made to add her to the ballot as soon as it came up. She won overwhelmingly and the State Party members COULDN'T Even say her name to say she won. Instead they said the person who was number three. Patently Petty.

They all wonder why people aren't Flocking to their party??? Who wants to be a member of some elitist group? The dem party needs to understand that if they want people in it, they need to start recognizing there is more than just their quaint inner circles. All those people who say they are voting for democrats this time despite being lifelong republicans doesn't mean they will stick around. 2006 will be quite interesting if the dem party doesn't pull it together and stop being so incestuous. Party of the people, my rear!

Gephardt as VP is just about the worst choice for the betterment of politics in this state. If it's true, I really shouldn't be surprised. Disgusted, but not surprised. It's all about money, connections and games. Who cares about the people they are supposed to be beholden to. Once upon a time the people elected the VP. Kennedy changed that. Rather unfortunate.

The only good thing about it being June and not October is the longer the bush machine is in power the more they will trip over themselves, pounding in the fact they are incompetent, arrogant, and deceitful, war mongering nimcompoops.

Which kerry will NEED if he has chosen gephardt. He'll need every last vote, because that kind of action ( if true ) is just the kind of thing that will lose people like me who don't think he is whipped cream and peaches or even a decent guy, who don't support him, but would have voted for him with the biggest damn clothespin I could find.

Oh gee Cass, that is bad news. Why didn't he pick John Edwards!!! Gephardt is not going to help him, it makes Kerry look even more liberal. There goes the swing voters. Geez!!

Oh well, if it's true, I will get used to the idea. It's just that Edwards would make the team much more exciting!!

Dang, I hope this is wrong.

If you notice the Mc Cain says in a lower paragraph that he was not asked about the vice presidency by Kerry or Kerry people.

The reporter of this story admits it did not pan out when he checked facts and then printed the story anyway.
How can you make a Headline about a story that did not happen?
Many of the papers which pick up this story will read headline only and not go down to read the full report which says the headline did not happen.
I loved the article and yes that is like Austin in November and December of 2000. Bush called Austin police about protestors in front of governor's mansion and the police did not distrub the protestors but laughed at the governor. So they called the Travis County sheriff who arested some protestors. Protestors went to court and won and Travis County taxpayers had to pay the costs of Bush false arrests. Bush is very expensive for taxpayers. They made a protest area across the street from the governor's mansion which made them more visible inside the mansion than being on the sidewalk.
After Bush stole the election, things became much worse in Austin. But Bush does not visit there very often. It is a liberal city for Texas.

Cass,
Your comment upthread:

"the latest rumor posted at dkos is kerry asked gephardt to be VP"

THIS IS A RUMOR... and the source is not even a credible one... a diary posted by a Kossack:

"I just logged off not fifteen minutes ago, and turned on crackpot AM radio's "Coast to Coast" with George Noory to put me to sleep. Expecting the usual fare of paranormal chatter and lunatic conspiracy theories, I was stunned when host George Noory interrupted the commericals to announce that the John Kerry campaign has just announced that it would (and I'm paraphrasing) "very much like to have John McCain as his running mate," but in lieu of that possibility (and McCain's apparently final rejection has of course been all over the news today) he is offering the slot to Dick Gephardt. I have no idea if this is true, and have thus far found no confirmation online, but if it does turn out to be true it is deeply disappointing. Like many Kossacks I have little kind to say about the prospect of running mate Gephardt, but I will keep my trap shut until final word comes through."

All I can say is whomever posted the diary should have kept their 'trap shut' until verified.

Kerry's VP will be his first major decision that will reflect on him as a presidential candidate. The announcement will be BIG, generating BIG time press/media coverage... it will not happen thru some fringe late night AM radio program! Word will come from KERRY'S MOUTH, or announced at the Demo Conv --- and it will not come the weekend after RR is buried, and the weekend Clinton begins his book tour with segment on Sunday's 60 Minutes. IMHO

This news was not on Kos' front page. Anybody can post a diary... even a FREEPER posing as a Kossack... my goodness, we just dealt with the disinformation that Kerry AGAIN asked McCain to be VP... the media is doing everything it can to destroy Kerry's campaign... they did it to Dean. Let's not allow them to do it to Kerry. Please.

Namaste

http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/the_worm_that_turned.html

"For the record, here are the numbers as we near the middle of June, 2004 Iraqi civilian casualties, of course, are lowball estimates because the Iraqi Ministry of Health was prohibited from counting or revealing civilian deaths by its American liberators. And, of course, deaths continue non stop as I write. But let’s keep in mind the terrible human toll of the Bush/PNAC folly in Iraq as we approach the well hyped turnover of authority to the US (not UN) appointees at the top of the new interim government.

As of 10-June-2004:

Iraqi civilian deaths
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/bodycount.htm

Reported minimum - 9356
Reported maximum - 11232

Reported wounded: 20,000+
http://www.counterpunch.org/dardagan08072003.html

American military deaths
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/

American deaths - 833
Coalition deaths - 116

There have been at least 5,013 U.S. troops wounded in action

Coalition contractor deaths
http://icasualties.org/oif/Civ.aspx

Contractor deaths – 89

THE REBUFF

The big lie continues that the invasion and occupation of Iraq has been a surgically clean operation. The mounting deaths of American troops, usually meted out in small numbers, are characterized as America’s sacrifice in the war against terror. Civilian casualties have been sanitized into non existence, and continue to mount. Yet the war against an unnamed, unidentifiable enemy is scheduled to end dramatically on June 30th. With much fanfare, the new interim appointees will assume office and the military occupation will suddenly come to an end. The world is being asked to believe that, with the stroke of a pen, the US will remain in Iraq at the pleasure of the Iraqis. Just ask the thousands who died if they believe that for a minute.

The second appeal for much needed help by Bush administration took place this week at the G-8 meeting. Surprise, surprise, - in the end, the leaders of world’s major nations gave George Bush a resounding NO: No troops, No funds, No NATO involvement, No reduction of Iraq debts. No, No. No. No, you broke it, you fix it. And that means the quagmire continues and that more people will die. It means that most leaders will not defy the sentiments of their own people who largely distrust, dislike, and disrespect George W. Bush. They will not pick up the pitiful debris left by this president in a war waged with pretense and distortion. They will not forget the months of deception and the unmitigated arrogance that led to this debacle. And they will not readily add their names to the list of the thousands who died."

Laurie, I'd agree Edwards would be a better choice, even if he is after his own interests such as his insurance policy which stated all parents must carry mandatory insurance for their children. While on the surface that sounded great for a couple of reasons, down below it smacked of a trial lawyer's dream and inability to recognize how difficult it is to maintain insurance on a limited budget. Especially for single mothers that slip through the cracks financially, as they make just enough, but not enough to cover everything. Mandatory insurance for them would have been more than just a hardship, it would have been cruel as well as creating scenarios of tragedy. It's difficult enough for single mothers to raise children, especially if it is their first child. The pressure and stress is tremendous unless there are support systems, which few people are lucky to have.

Jo, I understand it is a rumor and the diarist himself admitted to as much, but it's enough to set me off. Kerry via his campaign has been talking to Gephardt. Gephardt is on the list. My main point was ~~if it is true~~, kerry is pushing the envelope and that Gephardt is the worst choice possible imho.

CNN is reading emails from viewers answering the question, "Who was the best president?" It is 9:08 EST as I post this.

email them with your answer to
wam@cnn.com

I wrote them: "George Washington was the best president because he could have king and preferred to be president. On the other hand, George W. Bush could have been president, but prefers to be king."

I should have said it is 9:08 EDT.

Pluto hits 25 Sag (the Galactic Center) in 2006 and his ingress into Capricorn is 2008.

Regarding the flurry of posts about McCain and then Gephardt as VP, it's important to remember that none of this is fact, just rumour. I, for one, would find it hard to believe that Kerry would pick Gephardt. Of COURSE he's been talking to Gephardt (important to keep the Unions happy and the Unions love Gephardt, so he'll make sure they support Kerry), but it doesn't mean he's asking him to be his VP. Kerry realizes that Gephardt would not help the ticket. My suspicion is that the names are being floated to keep the wolves at bay as to who the REAL choice is. If they can keep that a secret until the Convention (and I don't remember if they agreed to announce the choice before the convention or during), the announcement of his VP choice would get TONS of news. And with BelzeeBush (thanks to that DUer for coining this delicious moniker) doing himself in, Kerry may not feel the need to have a VP choice out there right now fighting the fight. When your enemy is doing himself in, leave him alone!

McCain could be a smart (though impossible) choice as it would be a safe haven for disenchanted Republicans to vote "Republican" (while actually voting for a Democrat) this election. But it'd never happen in a million years. I don't see McCain in office much longer.

How awesome would it be for Gore to resurface and take what is rightly his?! One can dream, I guess. I don't think his astrology supports it this time around.

Just my two cents.

Regarding Pluto hitting 25 Sag, it appears as if it first hits in Jan 2006, then retros back over it June 2006 and then passes it again Direct Nov 2006. If this is incorrect, feel free to correct me. :-)

Jonathan

...here is the Elizabeth Joyce predictions

http://www.new-visions.com/

I proably need to finish reading all the posts before I start ranting but will anyway. If Kerry continues to support McCain for V.P. than I am absolutely done with him. There is absolutely no way that "common ground" can be achieved even if McCain were V.P. considering the other players in the Republican system (DeLay, Frist, Hastert, etc.) who are the primary controllers of the party. The melding of the deep polarity within our political structures must come from another source, hopefully the people not from politicians who know nothing about a middle ground and could care less. I have never been inspired by Kerry and will vote for him only if he supports 100% a liberal agenda. We need a liberal agenda to help restore balance to the extreme conserativism that has overtaken us the last 3 1/2 years. To me this V.P. thing is tantamount to desertion of the Democratic Party and it make me sick. His talk of increasing the military is enough to turn me off to him forever. We shouldn't have to "guess" what is in his mind, he should be telling us on a daily basis. If he is so insecure about winning that he needs McCain, than he should bow out now and let someone else in that has sincere, and honest democratic values. I think he is just as corrupt as the rest.

The latest issue of Vanity Fair has some articles in it that you might find worth reading. (It has some glam boy on the cover, BTW, so you'd have no idea there is really something of substance inside.)

The articles to which I am referring are: "Tom Delay's Hard Drive" (about the Bugman of Texas, natch), "Powerful Secrets" (about S&B, including a huge picture of the skull and notation that it is rumored to be Geronimo's which brought hot tears to my eyes, of course), "Clarke's Challenge" (about Richard Clarke and the WH smear campaign against him), "Ordinary Warriors" (about regular folks in Iraq and how/why they hate us), "Rumble on the Right" (by Christopher "Contradiction" Hitchens on a supposed civil war within the Right), "The "Bush Bunch" (rather silly, but kinda interesting write-up on the weird women around Bush), and my favorite, "Unacceptable Exposure" (about the monstrous Abu Ghraib mess and its likely fall-out).
Quite an edition, actually!

Pallas,

I am late in thanking you for this powerful article. Yesterday went to the Savannah newspaper online and they had a brief story about merchants losing money during G8. Not a word about all the security--and we all know it is there plus it would be an obvious "local interest" story in any free society. Scarey in the extreme. The most I've seen about the "lockdown" besides your article, is The Daily Show--where a reporter started to "report from Savannah" and said all the press had been "moved back to St. Louis" because a cop looking through a telescope saw a protester frown. The writers on the Daily Show are able to laugh about all this--and ridicule the reality. More power to them.

Re Kerry and McCain. I read the story in the NYT and I have never read anything like it before in my life. The NYT reporter Tierney said that "a person" said Kerry asked McCain. Tierney also used the words "some people" and "some individuals." Then--then--he reports that McCain absolutely denies that he has ever been asked to run on Kerry's ticket.
Every news story I have ever read-- prior to this one--identified the source in some way, i.e. "campaign staff", "someone close to the candidate" Something! I think Karl Rove is the source of this rumor.

Mike: I completely identify with your statement about DeLay. I think though that he has more pots in the fire about corruption than just the Republican "funds" possible indictment. Remember the West Star Energy Bribe/Payoff's from a couple of years ago which included Billy Tozan as well as DeLay. If I am not mistaken, there is an ongoing investigation on that but have not checked the status recently. I WANT TO SEE HIM FALL REAL HARD. THEN MAYBE HE WILL LEARN SOME HARD LESSONS ABOUT HIS SO CALLED "CHRISTIAN VALUES". Just recently he established this "charity" for homeless boys which is just a front to gain political money. I sincerely believe that we must be watching Arnold Swg. if it does happen that Bush/Cheney do not run. I am serious about this! Look at some of his recent travels and energy activities. Something very scarey is up with him. I think he was recalled in California for the purpose of becoming president very soon. It doesn't matter if he is voted in or voted out, if the elite want him he will be installed.

....a Hoax?

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/breaking_1.html

One more thing: Arnold is very, very, popular and could easily be elected by the American people due to our superficial love of celebrity personality (our collective weakness) After all, we brought Reagan to power and look at the results of that.

of interest...and worth a read...

http://www.amconmag.com/2004_06_21/cover.html

Thak you Sally and Jonathan! and everyone for such interesting reading!

WP: Soldier Described White House Interest (in Data From Abu Ghraib)

The head of the interrogation center at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq told an Army investigator in February that he understood some of the information being collected from prisoners there had been requested by "White House staff," according to an account of his statement obtained by The Washington Post.

Lt. Col. Steven L. Jordan, an Army reservist who took control of the Joint Interrogation and Debriefing Center on Sept. 17, 2003, said a superior military intelligence officer told him the requested information concerned "any anti-coalition issues, foreign fighters, and terrorist issues."

The Army investigator, Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba, asked Jordan whether it concerned "sensitive issues," and Jordan said, "Very sensitive. Yes, sir," according to the account, which was provided by a government official.

The reference by Jordan to a White House link with the military's scandal-plagued intelligence-gathering effort at the prison was not explored further by Taguba, whose primary goal at that time was to assess the scope of prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib. The White House was unable to provide an immediate explanation.

more… http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26814-2004Jun9.html

wv, the World Tribune.com is a Moonie e-news site. The ed & pub, Robert Morton, is an asst managing editor at the Washington Times, the newspaper subsidized by Rev. Moon. Also the World Tribune cites the Drudge Report as a "news source."

You pegged them when you prefaced their link with "hoax?" If this gang told me the sun would rise tomorrow I'd want to check it out with more reliable sources.

WV, it seems to get the predictions of Elizabeth, one has to be a subscriber?

Since many here use the Sag Rising Chart, when Saturn crosses Mercury in the 8th house: financial/economic problems likely caused by 9th house matters - pull out of foreign monies from the market is a possibility, and it could also be separation from a foreign partner - when does Tony's election come up?

Posted by: Pallas18 on June 12, 2004 05:55 AM

I posted above, and then there is always the possibility that someone from the Supreme Court will resign or leave an opening, since Mercury in the Sag chart rules the 9th house of higher legal
matters. That would make sense. A resignation before Bush might not be in office, so that he could name some one to the opening....like Gonzales maybe? or Baker III,

For the non-astrologers, one planet and one house
represent many different things, and very often what is "triggered" when they are aspected are a variety of the events represented, a montage, and not just one event.

So you will probably see us astrologers come up with more potential events that may occurr at the time that Saturn conjuncts Mercury in the 8th house.

But for certain the stock market, represented by
the 8th house will be affected in a belt tightening manner. Translation: stocks are going to go down.

"If he is so insecure about winning that he needs McCain, than he should bow out now and let someone else in that has sincere, and honest democratic values. I think he is just as corrupt as the rest."
Posted by: Bever;y on June 12, 2004 03:57 PM

"~~if it is true~~, kerry is pushing the envelope and that Gephardt is the worst choice possible imho."
Posted by: Cass on June 12, 2004 01:20 PM

What Beverly and Cass said!

two other comments here.

If there is any truth to his asking Gephardt, who he is very close to, then it is business as usual-same old same old Washington politics with Kerry-Gephardt instead of the big change we are looking toward. Actually that's my meaning: It looks like nothing will change.

#2 Washington plays the deniability game. Parsing words. It goes: " John Kerry: Hey John McCain, if you were ever asked to be my Veep what would you say? John McCain": well John, if anybody ever asked me I'd have to say no."

Therefore Kerry can say he never asked McCain to be his veep and McCain can say he was never asked causing neither any embarrassment. This would stand even under oath. See?

Sid's son, Max Blumenthal, has posted this page from a 1989 cable from Baker to Aziz. Very interesting. And again, why in the world would any of Smirky & Co want Saddam to ever go to trial?

http://www.maxblumenthal.blogspot.com/

Skylurker: Can you give us a little bit on the Delay article in Vanity Fair?

I'm wondering too how any WMD's could leave Iraqi ports without our knowledge as we had/have Iraq/Middle East and under constant survellance. Isreal would know for sure. Sounds like this article from Moonie is just propaganda. An effort to save Bush as the two are friends and associates. There has alread been one attempt that failed (with the loss of life) when WMD's were "planted" and the team came under friendly fire. Of course it was hushed up.

We wonder why such a large percentage of the public can't see what's going on under their nose, and then we have disinformation on this board inciting folks to throw Kerry out before he gets the nomination. For what? Something he is purported to have said, but the source is never named and even though the other party denies, the conclusion is that it happened anyway. So because it 'happened', Kerry's not worth a vote...

'Course, on the other hand we have an amoral puppet with an I.Q. in the 90s who doesn't read because he is not only above the law, he now is the law --- in the White House.

And 4+ months before the election, we have folks eager to pass disinformation as fact, bent on destroying the lead Kerry has over Bush, and the Demos have over the Repubs in the Congress...

It just occurred to me that some people don't need Nader... in other words, if he went away some folks would still vote their 'ideal' --- whatever that is... we're talking about survival of this country, folks. I ain't ready to move! My ancestors came to South Carolina in 1733 --- they'll have to carry me out in a box!

1. The sky is not falling.
2. Kerry has not announced his VP ---
3. Arnold is not a naturalized citizen.
4. Reagan is still dead.

Namaste

is this a joke????

http://gadflyer.com/articles/print.php?ArticleID=131

I thought the Venus transit would bring people closer together. And even with Reagan's death, I thought for a sec. that the country MIGHT begin to see the "bigger picture". What I am seeing instead is a further divide between those who love from a pure heart, and the "others"- the ones who don't know what love is. It really surprises me to see it so soon, and makes me very sad. Take good care everybody, it's gonna get worse.

Beverly:

I saw that, but the predictions referred to above
are in the right hand column quite a way down...
current predictions seem to cost...

onfimration....

http://www.rense.com/general53/noex.htm

time to lighten up.

you have to let out a howl at this one:

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/299/923/640/pope%20and%20bush.jpg

Ooops that should read "Confirmation" ..sorry

....interesting question.....

http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen06132004.html

Jo: I have always valued all of your ideas, comments, and especially your activism. But please don't call these issues of Kerry/McCain disinformation. It will remain the truth for me until Kerry talks to us and clarifies the issue. We have talked previously about the Kerry thing. Please don't be offended--- it is just something I want to know. Not just from you but any Kerry supporter.
Please tell me why you want a Skull and Bones for our President? I never thought there was much to these conspiracy theories but am beginning to change my mind. Regarding the Arnold/President issue. His absence of citizenship can be changed with the stroke of a pen. Any legislation introduced on his behalf WOULD PASS BOTH HOUSES OVERWHELMING. Should the Republicans find themselves without a candidate they would pass legislation to get the laws changed as quickly as possible. They have a majority in both houses and can pass any thing they want as evidenced by the changes they have created since 2002. Did you know that their have been discussion on late night TV, NPR, and Sunday talk shows about this issue and legislation WAS introduced to change the requirement for the Presidency by Denny Hastert. I don't know where it stands now. Jo, this is not disinformation. These things are real. I am very surprised that you do not take these issues seriously. Any of the comments I have listed here can be google for verification. I am sorry if I am sounding cross, but I do think the sky is falling.

Bartcop put this one up yesterday, so it'll probably be changing soon. He begins with a picture of The 4 Prezes on Mt. Rushmore, has a circle around the mole on Abe's cheek and an insert showing a picture of RR. So, if the notion of putting RR on Mt. Rushmore gains some steam, we'll have to start rallying to just carve his ugly mug into the mole on Abe's cheek.

....good piece....

http://www.yellowtimes.org/print.php?sid=1972

John Kerry's debunker site. Why not go to the senator's OWN words instead of every smoke-breathin' rt-winger passing out rumour, innuendo, & fibs. ;O)

http://blog.johnkerry.com/dbunker/

Wouldn't a move to allow a non-native born
American to be President require a constitutional
amendment???

With Groppenfueher's Nazi past I would think it
would be impossible. Although he did recently
visit Israel.

Stranger things have happened!

...freedom of speech GOP style...

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/russo.html

vw,

the Gadflyer stuff about Rev. Moon is correct. Moon is the very corporeal manifestation of "lunacy". Apt name, eh? But he has made a lot of money out of it.

I don't know how many of the pols at the "coronation" were supporters--Moon does tend to set up events that sound like a harmless awards ceremony etc. and turn out to be promotions for himself.

The right-wing in this country have been in Rev. Moon's pocket (or visa versa) for years.
-------------------------
Beverly,

My feeling is that the "journalists" who put out stories without a single clue as to their source and without any backup or hint of verification whatsoever, should be called on to explain themselves first--before the victim of the story is called to explain.

Can you imagine the NYT printing a story that says "an individual" has told them Bush is considering so-and-so (name anyone but Cheney) to be the vice president? I don't think they would run that even though there are plenty of rumors that Cheney might step down. But Democrats are fair game.

Re the Skull and Bones membership, I would rather go by Kerry's voting record, which is pretty good overall. I was in the Rainbow Girls once--and would hate to have it held against me. (I went through the whole initiation ceremony and learned the big secret of the RG--what a letdown.) Grandpa was a Mason and I read his secret Mason book (because I read everything.) Another letdown.

As for the sky falling, I'm with you there. I sure have felt like I'm being pelted by something ever since November 2000.

...a refreshing idea.... a lot of laws would
have to be changed on the State level..

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/thirdparty.html

Beverly,
I am calling disinformation that which is not verified by a source. It is irresponsible journalism when a reporter says that unnamed says Kerry asked McCain to be his VP and McCain says he was never asked. What you end with is not fact but rumor. I can find rumor on any blog on the internet. I can also find it in mainstream reporting. A talk show host is reputedly a Freeper reports that 1) McCain turned Kerry down and then 2) Kerry has asked Gephardt to be VP. That is "disinformation" ---- a rumor purported to be fact. Did he quote Kerry? No. Who did he quote? He would not say?

I am sorry that you are upset with my comments. The rumors about McCain have been all over the net for weeks. They are just that... rumors. John McCain is a senator. John Kerry is a senator. There are lots of reasons for them to have conversations, even though they sit on separate sides of the aisle. All things are possible. It is possible John Kerry could ask McCain, and it is possible John McCain could accept the spot of VP. I would be upset if that happened. But there is enough to upset me without my getting upset over unverified information.

Beverly, you are perfectly free to support whom ever you want to... you commented that you are not happy with John Kerry, and won't be unless he supports a 100% liberal platform --- I can't address that. I don't even know what a 100% liberal platform would look like.

You ask me to defend why I support a S&B member. I don't --- I support John Kerry, who happens to be a S&B member... he also happens to have Jewish heritage, he is also male, he is also white, he is also no longer a youth... he is also Catholic, he is also a Yankee, he is also rich, he is also intelligent, he is also hard working, and he is married to a woman who was not born in this country, who is very rich and very opinionated. He is also a father, and when he was single he dated Morgan Fairchild. I could easily go through that list and find one or two items that did not meet my ideal. But if the truth be known, I have never voted for someone who met my ideal because that person does not exist, and if she did she would be smarter than to run for President.

As for Arnold, of course I realize that Hastert has attempted to introduce legislation. Frankly, I am more concerned with Arnold stealing CA for Bush than I am with his running for office in November.

Sally was right on upthread when she pointed out that we are all dealing with our illusions dying. It is frightening and it probably feels as if the sky is falling, but it's not Beverly.

I apologize if my comments offended you. My term disinformation did not apply to your comments about Arnold or any of your concerns about Kerry and his S&B membership. The man has not spoken about his VP. I will wait until HE does before I judge his choice. On this one, I truly cannot accept what someone else says. As for his list, in elections past, I have heard talk about short lists that never even contained the name of the ultimate nominee. Lots of games are played. The VP choice is in a way a chip the campaign uses to focus attention on Kerry and away from Bush. The same chip is used by Rove to discredit Kerry. For all we know, Kerry might choose a woman... I mean that is within the realm of possibility, isn't it? Or a Black or a Latino? Do we hear any mention of these candidates? Nope, nary a word. Just McCain, McCain... like a mantra.

Peace

oops that didn't work.
trying again...if it doesn't come out, go to
Max Blumental's blog as posted above and scroll
to the very bottom for the picture.

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/299/923/640/pope%20and%20bush.jpg

Barb: Thanks for your interesting comments. There was an article earlier this week about the possibility of Rudy G. being Bush's running mate so other news outlets are running such stories. I think it was discussed here to. There have been many ongoing discussions/articles for the last four weeks about this Kerry/McCain issue in the main stream news that I feel there is some credibility to stories no matter what side they are coming from. I can't bear to look at Kerry's site to tell you all the truth eventhough I am a liberal. At this point in time, I think everything he says unthruthful. I will remain open to having my mind and heart changed but am not hopeful that he can fix things. I am not impressed with his voting record. He voted for the war. If I become involved with political campaigning this fall, it will be to help elect a liberal senator or representative, not presidential candidate.I was hoping for a change to the "light" and I am sensing continued darkness for the near future. I hope it is just a temporary state with me as well as with our country. And Barb, I found your comments about Aquarius very interesting and tend to agree with you. We have a new Aquarius govenor here in Michigan, Jennifer Granholm, (democrat) and to me she represents the humanitarian side of Aquarius. She veto's everything our Republican Congress comes up with that is not for the good of all. I love her spunk. She is extremely concerned for the elderly. When she speaks, she uses myth, metaphor, and symbolism and I love to listen to her. When is the last time you heard a politician use mythology in their speach? Lincoln was excellent with his speech. My favorite President of all time.

....an independent Iraui government?

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=438212

I also am offended by the attacks of Jo and Joanna.

I don;t like Kerry because my feeling is that he is Washington DC business as usual. His voting record and sponsored bills in 20 years in the
Senate are unspectacular.

I dont care to be demeaned and maligned albeit anonymously for my beliefs nor once again accused of putting disinformation on this board.

As to the suggestion "go to his site and read his own words" - really! You can go to dimson's site and read his own words also. As we all should know, promises and words pre-election don;t mean a damn thing.

interesting.....

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=434228

To all those people who are disenchanted with Kerry, I really don't know what to say. So, I guess I'll just say what I always do: vote your "principles" if you must, but be aware that any vote that isn't one for the Democrat in the race is, in fact, a solid vote for another 4 years of Bush. Any Third Party candidate running is not going to get enough votes to overtake either of the two party candidates in the race, not yet. That time IS coming, folks, but it's not here now and your choices are clear.

We can stick with a man who has done more to destroy America both at home and abroad. Or we can choose a man who, by his history, obvious intelligence and experience alone, will undoubtedly do a better job. Will there be a PERFECT choice this Fall? Of course not, because perfect means so many different things to different people. Honesty means different things to different people. And there will be those who will be disaffected regardless of what the candidate says or does, and be unwilling to be pleased with him/her.

Again: a vote for someone other than the Democratic candidate this Fall is a vote for another 4 years of Bush. Unfortunately, I can't put it any plainer than that.

Jonathan

Pallas18,

Please don't construe my above comments to be directed at you. I truly enjoy your posts and, although I may disagree at times with what you write, I always look forward to hearing (reading?) your thoughts.

Jonathan

Pallas!
I have 'attacked' you? When? Joanna 'attacked' you? When?

I apologize for whatever offense I have brought you.

Peace

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/08/politics/main621921.shtml

President Bush has worked well with friends and poorly with allies, it could be said. But this June, from the shores of Normandy to Sea Island, Georgia, Mr. Bush is making concessions in an effort to bring the old friends, of Old Europe, back to the side of U.S. foreign policy.

Publicly, it's working. The U.N. Security Council unanimously passed a resolution supporting the handover of sovereignty to the interim Iraqi government on Tuesday, as world leaders met in Georgia at the G-8 summit of leading industrialized nations.

But in the corridors of the United Nations, people are skeptical, if not downright displeased, with current U.S. efforts to revive relations.

The ardently independent President Bush, possibly the most unilateral of modern presidents, has estranged much of the world. And while polling has shown world opinion of the United States at new lows, it only takes a day at the United Nations to understand why the discontent runs so deep.

Although they will not say it for attribution, those randomly interviewed want Americans to deny Mr. Bush four more years in office. They expect a rekindling of diplomacy, of statesmanship, if Sen. John Kerry becomes president. They have lost all trust in the Bush administration.

Oh! A quick thought about Giulianni (sp?). I believe you'd see ducks playing chess before you'd see Giulianni (SP?) as Bush's running mate. Rudy doesn't play second fiddle to anybody, and I don't believe George would trust Rudy enough to NOT steal the spotlight when they're together. Despite what you may or may not have heard, the two men (with their two H-U-G-E egos) do not get along. And the ability of someone to kiss George's behind, stroke his ego and not disagree with him is more important than education, experience, honesty and talent in George's book. Rudy kisses no one's behind. It would never work. Besides I don't think Cheney would ever let it happen.

Jonathan

Jonathan, thanks.

I'm in the same quandary as many others here.

My hope is that some of the predictions made that
there will be a surprise change in candidates will
occur and that the surprise will present a candidate I can vote for in good conscience and
renewed hope.

In the meantime I think the best thing I can do and people who feel the same way I do can do is write the Democratic Party leaders and John Kerry
and tell him what our expectations are and we are
very dissatified with the potential that he would
even consider McCain or Gephardt which seems to us
to be business as usual. That we are looking for
most of all a rollback/scuttling of all the laws
dimson and asscroft have put in place that defy the Constitution of the United States, that we want a balanced budget, that we want a stop to the tax cuts, and so on.

Rumors? rumors are made to test the public's response such as Kerry's rumor that he might not accept the nomination at the convention so that he could go on fund raising. That was not just a rumor but the truth. And democrats were so disturbed by the plan, that Kerry dropped it - it was also said that was not for publication but leaked.

I'm also disturbed that during the primaries he began to steal Dean's plans and platform when he saw democrats responded to it. Well why didn't he have those ideas to begin with? And will he drop them once he's in, since they weren't his original plan?

It's a quandary: having to vote for someone you dont have full confidence in. I think the democratic party better do some re-thinking. Somehow I don't think Kerry is a sure thing to be the democratic nominee.

Pallas18,

I suspect this has been written about elsewhere, but what about Gore's astrology during this time? If someone could link me to the appropriate article or relevant passage, I'd appreciate it. I have a difficult time wrapping my mind around Gore getting in (not because I wouldn't want him to, but because it'd be soooooo out of left field if it were to happen), but seem to remember someone saying his astrology didn't support it.

Jonathan

From Astrologer Michael Lutin's site on Rumsfeld:

Rumsfled's a cancer

with Saturn transiting

his SUNPLUTORURANUS configuration

He doesn't like to be challenged on any issue

HE tells YOU the way it is

YOU don't tell HIM the way it is.

And we all know people like that

They know everything

They beat the living crap out of their kids

and then blame the kids

or years later deny it altogether

years later.

And Pluto's on his Ascendant now, too,

so he WILL NOT BE CHALLENGED,

do you hear?

The longer he's on the stand

the angrier he's going to get.

The more questions posed to him

by authority figures,

publicly

the angrier he's going to get.

The more questions that are put before him

the angrier he's going to get

The more he has to answer

the angrier he's going to get

Hee blames the whole problem

on those damned digital cameras.

Digital cameras.

Those are his words,

Not ours.

More Michael Lutin.

VERRRY HEAVY STUFF

ISLAM AND PLUTO

IF they would only just go away.

Quietly.

If they would only just slink back into the woodwork and go back where they came from.

We could all go back to living our lives peacefully. Happily. We could all return to our hassle-free existence and not have to shiver in fear of a bunch of hostile, aggressive, testosterone-drenched, heat-seeking death missiles in human form known as Islamic Fundamentalists.

Well you can kiss that dream good-bye. The sleeper has awakened and the world has been plunged into an ideological revolution.

Oh, you still have all your own private little worries to keep you up at night: career, health, money and love. You will still have to get the kids off to school or feed the cat or shovel the snow off your sidewalk and replace the gutters. And the daily chores that always seem to bog you down are blessed distractions from the magnitude and scope of what is currently taking place on Earth. As they pass by our planet in their flying saucers, the little green men are slapping their huge foreheads and speeding by. They want know part of this mess until it gets sorted out.

And no matter how much Jovian spin the high-minded officials in government, military or media care to dish out, the events of September 11th will dominate the mood and thought for the next seventy-five years. Why?

The first verses of the Quran were "disclosed" to the "prophet" while Pluto was in early Aries, and the entire codification of Islam occurred during the transit of Pluto in Aries. Islam, then is Pluto in Aries.

If you have Pluto Rising natally or have ever experienced it by transit or , are a Sadge Ascendant right now, then you should know all about how Pluto in Aries could manifest on a global level.

When Pluto either rises or enters the first sign of the Zodiac, you experience the surfacing of rage for all past repression. It kindles within you the fervent desire to be seen, heard, validated and obeyed. You are forced into a direct confrontation with mortality and must be willing to die for what you believe in. It is the need to overcome your fear of death at any cost and a welcoming of death if your needs are not recognized and met. It can be hostile and aggressive. All your primitive wishes and drives and instincts rise to the boiling surface and your behavior shows it. Your murderous instincts appear seemingly out of nowhere, for good or ill. You don't give a damn whether people think you're a good guy or not. You enter into the struggle for domination and even if you have to become the very thing you've always hated, you refuse to be subjugated. You reject your submissive role. You overthrow whatever regime you feel has been holding you hostage.

Transiting Pluto is now hurtling toward the end of the Zodiac.

Muhammad himself had Pluto at the last decanate of Aquarius–the current position of Uranus. The First Crusade took Place with Pluto in Aries. As Did one in the fourteenth Century. Never before has Pluto come toward Aries since it has been discovered.

The twenty-first century, therefore, will see the first Pluto return of Islam since the discovery of that planet. It's not going to go away.

Jonathan,

Gore, with that passion he showed at his last speech would be a spectacular answer. What a different man without all those handlers around him. I wish it could be.

Sally may have something to say about a possible candidacy of Gore.

When I have time to study his chart in depth I'll take a look. But it may take Vedic, Uranian, other kinds of astrology.

MEM HEY SHIN

Raj, what's your take on Gore? Thnx!

Michael Lutin also puts on musicals, and as a matter of fact at National Council of Geocosmic
Research conventions has produced astrolgoical musicals. They're a scream. ROFL screams. I have one of his tapes : "What God Says Goes" about
Pluto entering Sagittarius - lyrics and songs about the different signs as Pluto transits Sag.

In any case, here's some more Michael Lutin to think about:

When the ruling planet of Aquarius comes to the end of the Zodiac, humanity as a whole

has to make some major decisions

about whether it wants to continue

or whether it wants to commit suicide.

Now if everyone were in agreement that, yes, life is worth living,

let's make a deal, let's get down on our knees and repent,

forgive our trespasses,

invite all those who trespassed against us over for drinks and dinner,

let's all make love and forget the past

and take a midnight skinny deep together over in God's pool,

ah, yes, this transit would be one hell of an orgy of

champagne, fresh cherries and intoxicating kisses.
But, alas! There are those among us who cannot forget the past.

Their anger and despair have overwhelmed them.

Their own evil deeds have caused them so much internal and unconscious guilt

that they will now commit mad and crazy acts

to bring about their own destruction and the destruction around them.

And they don't care.

Their own madness clouds their thinking.

They are caught up in a frenzy of tragic merry-making,

as if this were New Year's Eve at the end of the world.

They use up all their savings, cash in the bonds, move all their chips onto the red,

up the ante,

increase the risk eight hundred thousand percent.

They know they can't go on any further.

They've been caught red-handed, their hand in the cookie jar.
Red-handed.
Red-handed.
Do you know what it means to be caught red-handed?

Everyone in the world will be caught red-handed.

Everything you have tried to hide from others

and from yourself

may have been successfully concealed until now,

but secrets have eaten away like termites at your foundation,

and over the next seven years,

you must make restitution for all the self-destructive acts that you have committed in the name of pleasure

or for all the self-destructive acts you may have caused to be committed

on the part of others,

either consciously or unconsciously

in the name of pleasure.
Some people, though,

fearing surrender,

will carry on their frenzied merry-making,

because at midnight dawn seems so far away.

Giving into God's will means only one thing and one thing only:

Forgiveness and love.

Asking the Universe to guide you away from revenge or bitterness and rage–

all of which only turn against you in the end.
You are powerless in the devastation of life.

What seems to be unjust and unfair is the lesson to be learned.

You may be left and abandoned and alone

to wonder what cruel twist of Fate

has left you one this dark road to hitchhike back to Light.

You wonder how you could put your faith and dedication

into a person, place or thing

and to have yourself so blindly and totally fooled.

Even Christ must have felt like a total idiot

walking up that hill,

and even then thinking, "Surely a miracle will save me now."

And this, my Friends in Humanity,

will be the only miracle to save you, me and all humanity

over the next seven years.

In the end God operates only through your heart.

It is the only conduit from which all miracles flow.

When you forgive those who beat you and hurt you,

deceive and desert you,

you rise again and live forever.

Bette Midler was right.

God is watching us.
God is watching us.
God is watching us.
From a distance.

During this whole entire year the planet Uranus will wobble between the end of Aquarius and the beginning of Pisces. This creates the necessity to live two lives, to cope in transition. "

Does anyone know if there is an "official" chart for the CIA? I have certain doubts about Michael Ruppert, but this recent article about Tenet and the other top CIA official resigning at the same exact time that Bush met with a high-profile criminal defense attny sounds plausible to me. (Regarding the Plame affair.) The connections between Plame's CIA front office, ARAMCO and the CIA are VERY interesting. I would love to see how the CIA's "chart" jives with Bush's chart (and maybe Cheney's), if anyone reads this and has any interest...

InvLucy, go to starcats (right-hand side bar).

This is the most fascinating and educational site--great links like those from shylurker on this thread--great new (to me) info i.e., Michael Luten--gosh, I never heard of him before--where is he based? Wonderful cogent comments. And the passion! Don't you all think it is amazing we have this much passion with a relatively small amount of accompanying heat? The intriguing idea that Nov 2 won't be Bush vs Kerry, but some other combo is something I haven't seen anywhere else. Yet it feels like the possibility is there--some whisper offstage or foreshadowing. But if our choice does turn out to be Bush vs Kerry or for that matter, Bush vs Anybody--let's vote against Bush (as Jonathan and others have said.)

I'm talking 'way too much today. T Merc opp natal Jupiter and square natal Neptune, and trine natal Merc. Signing off for a day or so.

ok, Pallas 18,

i'll give you the lutin information about 2000/2004 if you just sign a pledge to vote for any democrat who is running for prexy in 2004 (lol). seriously, i heard lutin say this on an interview show during the interim period before bush was anointed. i believe it was cnn and an interviewer like anderson cooper. i'm not sure, you could probably just email him. lutin is very clever in the public arena. for personal counseling (oh, why not gossip) i vastly prefer rob hand and find hand exponentially more helpful. it's sort of like going to einstein or newton with questions about physics.

beverley, don't worry too much about arnold the gropinator. he's not nearly as smart as jesse the body ventura who fizzled after just a couple of years. plus, they will not amend the constitution just for this clown. that is a very big deal and can be stopped in all sorts of ways.

thanks for the Lutin stuff, Pallas 18. I went to his site, but only got the monthly horoscopes. I never knew he was this talented and clear. This is exactly what is going on. As my last post indicated, I feel and see the huge love/hate polarity everywhere, and it is always nice for me to have it validated. Thanks again.

Dommael, GW I (I mean: Gulf War I, not you-know-who) produced this legacy for the troops, whereas in GW II it's depleted uranium.

for all you astro buffs out there, we have a ton of links on the right hand menu relating to astrology. While this is not a teaching site, and I don't intend to make it one, I am pleased people are picking up astro information from this site. While the contributing astrologers can answer some questions on occasions, if I had a day and night astrology staff all the questions from this site as well as what I receive on my own email. I hope you will make use of the links on this site as well as new ones.

Michael Lutin's prediction for the 2000 election

is in Search Result #9.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/international/AP-Saudi-American-Killed.html?ex=1087704000&en=52f68825da03aa4e&ei=5040&partner=MOREOVER
Would this have happened if Valerie Plame hadn't been exposed?
If we can believe the voice from the wilderness article which states that she was working , undercover with Saudi Aramco. Reflecting back I realize there have been a lot of major terror attacks in Riyadh, this past year
I found the article about the shaky state of the Saudi Government.
It is in Atlantic Monthly May 2003..........The Fall of the House of Saud....by Robert Baer. "The day of reckoning is here for our corrupt and dangerous allies, the Saudi Royal Family
What month last year did Robert Novak, expose VP? Does anyone remember?

BTW, it's missiles (from last post) I'm usually so groggy by the time I sit down to enjoy this site, I 'm lucky to remember my name ....spelling preceeds me to slumber.

Oh & looking on the positive side of Pluto in Cap. That's where it was for the signing of the Declaration of Independance. Perhaps after we get through all this distruction of our religious, governmental, & etc,. beliefs, we can settle in & build a nice new EFFICIENT, ORDERLY NEW SOCIETY? ( No voice mail call backs, spam or appliances that break down the day after the warrenty is up!,
And don't forget it only took ,1/3 of the colonists to achieve the American Revolution, the other 2/3 had to move to Canada. I don't know about you but I'm standing firm right here. Canada is only 1 hour away but I'm not moving again!
Yes the Govt. WIldlife people are buying up the offshore islands! They already have quite a few and are planning to buy more. ( source Town Manager!)
PQOP

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, Pat!!!!!
I'm widchu, babe!

I agree whole heartedly with Jonathan. In a perfect world, we would all vote for the best candidate and the people we call politicians wouldn't be a bunch of creepy sycophants...
But that's not the world we live in. We have to make choices that compromise our own values. Pick the guy who has a change to get the son of a bitch out of the white house.

and while i'm at it, look at this interesting poll of undecided voters.
it looks VERY good to me!

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2004/06/11/politics/campaign/20040611_VOTERS_GRAPH.html

There is plenty said and written about karma(dharma) and one of the important interpretations of what karma is is that it is "purpose".....as in when one is off course, not fulfilling a personal or larger purpose, karma is the force for correction to make it possible to get back on track. Many times it feels like karma is a kind of consequence for poor, inadequate or just plain stupid behavior, and creating negative or hurtful events and that karma provides a kind of punishment or pay back ....when it fact, I believe, the concept of karma is far more altruistic in that its intent and meaning is to return to purpose from a path that is fruitless or harmful and make life fuller, richer and highly meaningful.

In that context I think karma is then the force that has made it possible to understand the true meaning of our lives and by following karma reach our fullest potential. One of the easy ways to do that is, when having a poor experience it is an karmic indicator that purpose has been neglected or missed in some way and frequently a simple correction of returning to purpose corrects the karmic course. Karma knows purpose not payback.

What do you think?

Ann

Sally, we owe you tons of thanks for this site and I hope you know that we are might appreciative. I hope you, Nancy, Morgana, Isabelle, and the other astrologers who contribute to this site realize that, in a way, it is a display of our appreciation that people seek answers directly from you. At the same time, I do recognize we should be taking advantage of the sites on the right-hand side of the screen from which we can benefit greatly. What an array of tools and knowledge you have made available to all of us. That Widgets World has tons of info, as does Stariq through their posting of some of Hand's work, astrodienst is incredible, etc. Whatta deal! Many, many thanks to you for this site!

That's exactly right Ann (at least it's my opinion too) And who said "we are not in a perfect world, let's just get the SOB out and if that's Kerry so be it." If you really understand energy, just the change alone can be positive (or negative) but if Kerry (or someone else) gets there it's a shift from this creepy slimy energy we have now. It's not the who so much as the what. Right now all of our energy is taken up is being watchful of all that is being destroyed, leaving very little energy left over to make changes, we are just trying to inform people of the leaks, we have not had time to assess the damage. We need time and that is what we can hope to get. Assess the leaks and shore up the sagging Constitution and start holding them accountable.

Thanks Shylurker, you and all the rest make this such a wonderful experience for us all and I am mighty appreciative to all of you.

ooops, I meant pick the guy who has a CHANCE to get the SOB out of the white house!
mimi

Mimi, that's what I meant too, I just think faster than I type and leave out more than I should, I was trying to convey that I heartily agree with you.

Mike,

thanks for the clue. found it by googling his 2000 prediction. Only fair to share it - the most
interesting thing he said is: "Clinton was the last President elected under the old system.
He came in under a Uranus Neptune conjunction
near the U.S. Pluto. This means constitutional changes"

That's enough to send us all back to our charts.

Here's Lutin prior to the 2000 election:

YOU THINK IT'S OVER?

Well, it is, in some sense,

although Gore's an Aries,

and the more you reject him

the harder he tries.

He should probably concede and then as a private citizen become more powerful,respected and effective over the next four years than Bush will be

(although that's not saying much).

The media have been driving me crazy, just because I said

the winner will be the loser

and the loser will be the winner,

and that the Israeli-Palestinian crisis will have tremendous bearing on the Presidency.

I'm sticking to it.

In fact, the phrase

"The winner shall be the loser and the loser will be the winner"

has at least three important meanings

not just for the election

but for the coming months.

The whole thing has happened under the power of the planet Uranus in Aquarius.

Do not predict the outcome of this whole thing.

There are barrels of more surprises in store for everybody.

As I have already said,

Clinton was the last President elected under the old system.

He came in under a

Uranus Neptune conjunction

near the U.S. Pluto.

This means Constitutional changes.

Also, currently the Moon's South Node is in Capricorn, also near the U.S. Pluto.

With South Node in Capricorn,

NOBODY IS DRIVING THE BUS.

And as far as the Israel stuff is concerned, just watch.

Next August.

More Saturn Pluto stuff between the US and the Middle East."

how right he was.

One other thing I loved about the pre and post candidacy of Dean was his talk of how it isn't just about the presidency. Bush has his power base because of the house and the senate. Chipping away, taking back those seats will be of enormous value regardless of who gets in this November/January. The president is just one person, there are aprox. 532 other people too. If you want to make a difference next time you run into someone that isn't gungho on kerry, direct them towards the other races.

So what are you actually doing to make it more likely that Mr. Bush will be living in Texas next year? Are you working for a candidate, signed up with Mr. Kerry,Mr. Dean? Made a donation to a candidate you like and support?

Soon we need to put feet to pavement, pens to checks and time into the cause or it is all just talk, talk, talk.....

I go to Dean Meet Ups, I have given money and when Kerry is nominated I will sign up for his campaign and plan to do whatever I can to send Bush packing. The first Presidential election I worked on was for John F. Kennedy.....and I hope to work on many more. It is us that makes all the difference....believe it!

Mr. Kerry is not candidate perfect....there is no such thing....but he is honest, sincere and loves America as much as I do. That's more than enough.

What do you think?

Ann

I'm off to Michigan to direct a campaign for a Democrat running for statehouse.

Talking an complaining about Bush on this board is therapeutic and all, but unless you go out and act for the candidates or for a cause, you're just preaching to the converted. Fight for what you believe in.

You know, I don't usually think of Bush as a tyrant, but the Latin phrase "sic semper tyrannis" randomly popped into my head the other day. Does anyone think the term applies? Why or why not?

Dave, I don't know that tyrant is as fitting as "petty tyrant." Everyone has the ability to be tyrannical from time to time and then realize what they've been and sheepishly back down or apologize, Bush has all his planets on one side of his chart which makes it difficult for him to recognize how his actions impact people outside of his sphere, kind of like a two or three year old. His Sun Moon square indicates that he didn't see his parents working off the same page as it related to him and I expect he learned how to work one against the other when it suited him.

George is kind of like the kid that seems to do nothing (Moon/Jupiter conj) and causes chaos all around him, thereby getting away with it. "Not my fault, I didn't do it." His Sun is also in an applying square to his Jupiter as well as his Moon, a belief that he has a right to stand outside the law because of HIS intent, it is all about him. He can take your land because he plans on doing something good with it (in his own mind) he can torture you because he is trying to get the bad guys.

His Asc. is in Leo conj. Mercury and Pluto, he needs the spotlight on him and has lived a life where he could get the applause for no other reason than his name. He will become more and more tyrannical as the summer wears on. He isn't getting the applause, the spotlight is falling away and this last couple of weeks has been grueling. He was overshadowed at D-Day and by Ronald Reagan.

His Mars (ruler of the mid-heaven) is in close conjunction to the fixed star Zosma and is associated with selfishness and meanness with an egotistical nature, because Mars rules his mid-heaven, close to Arcturus (a fortunate star) he is accustomed to getting his way by being mean with a smile. Kind of like a snake smile, you don't know if it will strike you or not and he has been able to get away with it for well over 50 years.

You know there was another great endless funeral like this one, for Generalissimo Francisco Franco in Spain many years ago. That is where I first heard "Franco is still dead."

Remember this bumper sticker?

My Karma Ran Over My Dogma

Thank you Sally for that excellent description of George W Bush. That is just so apt. I what that to be common knowledge for the people of the US. I know there must be unphotographed moments when he tucked his right hand into his shirt Napoleon style. It is now common to see him pursing his lips and narrowing his little eyes.

Both Reagan and Bush were/are bad actors. It is the best the GOP can do for front men.

I truly miss Ray Charles, He was a wonderful presence on this earth.

justice is nigh...

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4946126-102275,00.html

Here's a new movie to focus on.

ttp://www.arktimes.com/040610coverstorya.html

Hooray for Hollywood
A new documentary shows how the right-wing tried to destroy Bill Clinton.

'Tis best to weigh the enemy more mighty than he seems - William Shakespeare, "King Henry V"

? Remember when first lady (now U.S. Sen.) Hillary Rodham Clinton was ridiculed for suggesting the existence of a "vast right-wing conspiracy" determined to undermine the presidency of her husband, Bill Clinton?

It turned out her description of the forces aligned against them was deadly accurate, as Gene Lyons and Joe Conason demonstrated in their best-selling 2000 book "The Hunting of the President." Now the real-life drama will be brought to the big screen by Arkansas native Harry Thomason, who has produced a documentary film that explains how various personalities, motivations, and resources combined to create the anti-Clinton effort of the 1990s. The film, also called "The Hunting of the President," premieres in Arkansas on Tuesday, June 15, at a benefit screening sponsored by the Arkansas Times.

More....

Pat I heard there was going to be a whole spate of films unflattering to the President to be released. I do know the Hunting of the President and Fahrenheit 9/11 are coming out but have you heard or know anything about these others, or what they are or about? I just kind of vaguely remember reading of them but don't remember what they are about and wondered if you did.

Sally, I hadn't heard that, but I'll look into it. How wonderful that would be! Truth and exposure is called for.

http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/pubpaps/photos/phoj97v1.jpg
http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/pubpaps/photos/phom99v1.jpg
http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/pubpaps/photos/phoj00v2.jpg
http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/pubpaps/photos/phoj99v2.jpg
http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/pubpaps/photos/phofgi98v1.jpg

Now consider the photos of George W Bush, and his movements in the world.

Well Sally! I just saw an add on TV for the latest remake of the Manchurian Candidate, starring Denzel Washington. It's all about putting a sleeper in the White House.

Heh!

Did y'all hear about this yet? The thread on DU offered conjecture about a military coup if, for some strange reason,he is re-elected.

He is falling...

Retired Officials Say Bush Must Go

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/2004/la-na-diplo13jun13,1,1142936...

WASHINGTON ? A group of 26 former senior diplomats and military officials, several appointed to key positions by Republican Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, plans to issue a joint statement this week arguing that President George W. Bush has damaged America's national security and should be defeated in November.

The group, which calls itself Diplomats and Military Commanders for Change, will explicitly condemn Bush's foreign policy, according to several of those who signed the document.

"It is clear that the statement calls for the defeat of the administration," said William C. Harrop, the ambassador to Israel under President Bush's father and one of the group's principal organizers.

Those signing the document, which will be released in Washington on Wednesday, include 20 former U.S. ambassadors, appointed by presidents of both parties, to countries including Israel, the former Soviet Union and Saudi Arabia.

Here's another great site (along with the debunking site for Sen John Kerry http://blog.johnkerry.com/dbunker/ ) for fact-checking, entitled "oddly" enuf, http://factcheck.org/ ;O) Its mission statement: "Holding Politicians Accountable. 'Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.'" [Heh! Hold that thot!]

Then there's the really fine http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/april2004/010404newfootprints.htm

Barbara... was it you who posted: "I was in the Rainbow Girls once--and would hate to have it held against me. (I went through the whole initiation ceremony and learned the big secret of the RG--what a letdown.) Grandpa was a Mason and I read his secret Mason book (because I read everything.) Another letdown."

I know what you mean... my male parent joined the Masons (who do a lot of really positive work in the community even if they tend to slosh a bit much), so joining the Evening Star seemed like a good idea tho I didn't really know a single one of them. Long interesting initiation ceremony. After all was said/done, I quickly discovered that being an Evening Star meant cooking & cleaning up after the guys in the Masons. HAHA! I never went back.

Pat,
Thank you for the wonderful grouping of picture of Clinton with children. I have a wonder poem by Ina J. Hughes I keep above my desk --- the pics touched me to share this with y'all

"We Pray for Children"

We pray for children
who sneak popsicles before supper,
who erase holes in math workbooks,
who can never find their shoes.

And we pray for those
who stare at photographers from behind barbed wire,
who can't bound down the street in a new pair of sneakers,
who never "counted potatoes,"
who are born in places we wouldn't be caught dead,
who never go to the circus,
who live in an X-rated world.

We pray for children who bring us sticky kisses and fistfuls of
dandelions,
who hug us in a hurry and forget their lunch money.

And we pray for those
who never get dessert,
who have no safe blankets to drag behind them,
who watch their parents watch them die,
who can't find any bread to steal,
who don't have any rooms to clean up,
whose pictures aren't on anybody's dresser,
whose monsters are real.

We pray for children
who spend all their allowance before Tuesday,
who throw tantrums in the grocery store and pick at
their food,
who like ghost stories,
who shove dirty clothes under the bed, and never rinse
out the tub,
who get visits from the tooth fairy,
who don't like to be kissed in front of the carpool,
who squirm in church or temple and scream in the phone,
whose tears we sometimes laugh at and whose smiles
can make us cry.

And we pray for those
whose nightmares come in the daytime,
who will eat anything,
who have never seen a dentist,
who aren't spoiled by anybody,
who go to bed hungry and cry themselves to sleep,
who live and move, but have no being.

We pray for children
who want to be carried
and for those who must,
for those we never give up on and for those
who don't get a second chance.

For those we smother ... and for those who will grab
the hand of anybody kind enough to offer it.

— Ina J. Hughes

*news analysis* regarding kerry veep selection:

we're slouching toward 1984

"AP's RON FOURNIER STAGES A TWO-STORY SABATOGE JOB DIRECTED AT KERRY AND EDWARDS.

On June 11, Ron Fouriner, an AP writer known for his not-so-subtle sniping at Democrats, did a completely unsubstantiated story (McCain has denied the story, in fact) about how Kerry had offered McCain the VP slot and McCain had rejected him. AP plastered this story EVERYWHERE. Then , on June 12, Fournier does a second story suggesting Edwards is favored in polls as Kerry's VP.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apelection_story.asp?category=1131&slug=Kerry%20Veepstakes

So why the back to back stories, with the first one all but fudged? Easy! To make Kerry look weakened - rightwing talk shows are already calling him "reject" and to undercut John Edwards by making it look as if he were a second choice. In an earlier story last month, Fournier tried to smear Edwards by stating that he and Kerry "don't like each other much" - another completely unsubstantiated statement."

This is how they do it (must be lots of negative neptune nihilism0. Your a nerd. You gain acceptance on the school paper, year book, or radio statin because at lease you can write or talk (no offense, I did this). You get a cushy job w/AP or the Washington Post. All of a sudden, people like you, you're able to denerdify yourself. How do you retain your new found 'coolness?' You stay on the party line. If you're really motivated, like Andrea Mitchell (NBC) or Chris Matthews (CNBS), you promote the corporate media company interests with a vengance and you get bonus points. You lie, ignore, misrepresent...and all the while you say you're 'liberal' on social issues because you'll have an abortion or get your girlfriend to have one. These are weak, dangerous people in our media. The self promote (Tim Russert's very strange book about his father) and assume the superior position (if everybody critisizes us, we must be doing something right).

We need to be critical readers of the news.

-----
On another matter, in the spirit of Sunday:

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=530984

Isn't this just wonderful, Mr. Tony is a Xtian wacko (which is very hard to do in England with about 20% average church participation).

the material in "'s in the 5:35 post is from:

www.democrats.com

sorry the cite didn't copy.

Presidential Predictions

OK, here is a partial list of web-wide astrologers and their predictions for November. I pulled these off of my favorite astrologers' web sites, and from other blogger sites. I will keep adding to this.

* note: I did happen to see that curious prediction that Bush will not run. Nothing about Kerry. I'm also going to include a very odd quatrain from Nostradamus about 'Bouche' at the end.

Richard Nolle = Bush is in real danger of losing. Dismal transits. But - the Repub party gets a boost.

Amit Shah = If Kerry wins the nomination, the Bush will surely win.

Caroline Casey (Wash. DC) = Celestial bodies suggest trouble for Bush. It's Saturn. doesn't say.

Courtney Roberts = sees trouble in October & November. Specifically, difficult and dangerous personal situation involving secret enemies and an attack of some kind.

Ibrahim Hazboun = George Bush will not be re-elected.

Paul Ng (Toronto) = Not a good year for Bush. Very mobile and unstable. He's about to lose a lot of his so-called supporters.

Michael Lutin = sees Bush winning. "I think he's trapped in the White House. He can't get out."

Rev. Carmen Bennington, PhD. = Believes Bush will be re-elected. Loving man. Loves children.

Ed Falis = Believes Bush will win, to Ed's dismay.

Dru Sefton = Saturn is the problem (doesn't say).

Doug Riemer, Arizona = Bush will lose.

Ed Tamplin (Australia) = suspected a lot of "pre-election tampering. Will report back.

Haloli = A new candidate. A democratic president for 2 terms.

Lynn Koiner = Bush will lose. A democratic president.

E. Alan Meece = Bush will not serve out 2 full terms. No one has been elected president during a Saturn return.

Roxane Carol = I'll be a monkey's uncle if Bush is re-elected. Bush will be having his 2nd Saturn return on Election Day.
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Now, the thing about 'secret enemies' had me intrigued. If you were the Republicans, would you be proud of your boy right now? Has he boosted your prestige around the world? No? Here's Nostradamus C6, V24:

Mars and The Sceptre (Jupiter) will be found conjoined, Under Cancer calamitous war.
(Iraq war?)

C1, V57:
Bouche bleeding, swimming in blood,
On the ground lies the face anointed with milk
and honey.
(Now in French, La Bouche also means 'mouth'. But if you refer to it, you will usually use 'la bouche', not just 'bouche'. So N. could be referring to Bush, in french; 'Bouche'. just a thought.....

I believe the Masonic order for women is Eastern Star.

There's something new & magical starting on Main Street... so come on out & Celebrate July 4th the Solari Way!

"When in the Course of human events,
it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the {financial} bonds which have connected them with another, & to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate & equal station to which the Laws of Nature & of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the {financial} separation." -- Adaptation of the American "Declaration of Independence"*

A Declaration of Financial Transformation: We hereby declare our transformation from the financial behavior which is destroying our country & our world.

We are not going to wait for Nov. We are voting now.

We are not going to ask more Congressmen, Commissions, Adm Reps or Prez Candidates for help.

We have the power of our votes in the marketplace.

We are going to exercise that power now!

July 4th Countdown - Our kickoff date is July 4th. We are calling for 600,000 people** worldwide to join us in pulling our cking accts, certificates of deposits, credit cards & other business out of multi-natl banks such as Citibank, Bank of America & JP Morgan Chase, & switching to local, well managed community-friendly banks or credit unions.

To prepare to do that in the manner that enhances your immediate financial security, we invite you to start a Solari Circle today. A Solari Circle is a "moral conspiracy"of your trusted family, friends & neighbors. You come together to help each other figure out how to "cleanse" your money in a way that is good for you & those you love. That starts by making sure your bank accts are working for you! The idea of doing a Solari Circle is open source & free. You have no obligation to anyone but those you choose according to the commitments you choose to make. ...
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I've already done so... how about you! Blessed Be.

Cliss, According to my ephemeris Transit Mars will conjunct Jupiter at 28 degrees Virgo on the week of Sept 19 '04. They make a sextile to Saturn at 29 Cancer in it's critical degree.

Bush has bled the land of milk and honey dry and is swimming in blood for quite some time. This person equates death with love. This past week's over the top funeral and that dreadful display of Cold War days gone by and the old Russia that I remember from in Life Magazine only hit the point home to me even more.

Just a short astrological question that I've always wanted to clarify:

When judging the effect of a transiting planet or when comparing two charts, what is the range that the degree must fall within, in order to be considered activated?

I have heard 5 degrees before and after the planet being looked at, and I have heard 8 degrees before and after.

Lately, if I remember correctly, I have heard Sally say that in regarding to transits, the effect is activated only within a few degrees before and after. Or, is it activated only when it is directly on the degree the planet is in?

I have always thought that once a transiting planet is within 8 degrees (or 5 degrees, depending on what standard you use) of a sign, its effects are felt and they get stronger as they approach the main position.

As for chart comparison, I always thought an aspect was created when a planet, again, was either 8 or 5 degrees away from the planet it was being compared to.

Thanks for any clarification you can give me on this.

Sharon :-)

cliss, nice compilaiton of astro picks. i like reading the indian press. astrologers there seem to think bush is gone.

with regard to who i REALLY trust in the prediction category, it's this site -- Salley and Nancy, Pallas18 and other contributors. when i read their articles i see a methodology apparent rather than an attempt at 'fortune telling.' there are also editorial standards in place in order to get published here (a 'refereed' astrology journal!).

lutin, while delphic most of the time, is right. bush won't escape the white house but not in a literal sense. he won't escape what he bagan in the white house, what he did there, and what will follow him for the rest of his miserable little life: scandal, discrase, internaional court cases (maybe criminal inditements, certainly liability claims), and infamy. saturn return, saturn return, etc. ms. carol has no worry about trans gender/species phenomena.

hey, bush! AMF!!!

Great idea Joanna. I put all my money in the local credit union years & years ago. They pay higher interest, loans rates are less, and the money stays to benefit the local community.

* Powell: Inaccurate terror report was `big mistake' - A State Dept report that incorrectly showed a decline last year in terrorism worldwide was a "big mistake," Sec of State Colin Powell said Sun. http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/13/powell.terror.ap/index.html ;O)

Mebbe a pending military/congressional coup has something to do with it... you know, a "tightening of the belt" 'cause the pants are due to fall down at any moment as they're hanging on an illusionary thread.

Hell Sharon. There are several things to consider first before the number of degrees. For the most part, aspects of every sort rarely happen separate from others and never in a vacuum. So it is important to look at everything that is going on.

Also the inner planets Mercury and Venus and Mars seem to make their effect when closer to the actual transit than the big outter ones whose aspects seem to grow, flower and decay much like a plant.

The making aspects tend to be more tense or intense than the departing aspects which produce more a sense of relief (waxing and waning) and if there is a three part aspects which occurs because the planet retrogrades and makes two or three times that must be considered too.

That said....generally speaking I use this:

Inner planets 3 degrees making and 2 degrees waning

Outer planets: 5 degrees making and 3 degrees waning

For the lights (Sun and Moon) I increase the inner planet timing aspects by 2 to meet the same as the outer planets. Except when aspecting themselves in the chart then I give them a making of 7 and departing of 6. To get an idea of how this works think back about the times around your birthday (when the sun returns to its natal position) and test your experience for repeats, timing and feelings.

However, the important thing to remember is that the overall chart governs judgment and to read only based on a "rule" does not service the best possible result from reading a chart.

Hope this is helpful.

Ann

The first word above should be Hello....I apologize. Ann

PALLAS:

Just as I was thinking to ask you to write as con-
tributing Astrologer, this column appeared. I am
very pleased that you decided to do this. We need
people like you. You have very keen observing
qualities and I am glad you decided to share them
with us.

BRAVA! ! !

PALLAS:

Just as I was thinking to ask you to write as con-
tributing Astrologer, this column appeared. I am
very pleased that you decided to do this. We need
people like you. You have very keen observing
qualities and I am glad you decided to share them
with us.

BRAVA! ! !

PALLAS:

Just as I was thinking to ask you to write as con-
tributing Astrologer, this column appeared. I am
very pleased that you decided to do this. We need
people like you. You have very keen observing
qualities and I am glad you decided to share them
with us.

BRAVA! ! !

PALLAS:

Just as I was thinking to ask you to write as con-
tributing Astrologer, this column appeared. I am
very pleased that you decided to do this. We need
people like you. You have very keen observing
qualities and I am glad you decided to share them
with us.

BRAVA! ! !

OOPS, SORRY FOR THE MULTIPLE POST. IT JUST
SEEMED LIKE IT WASN'T WORKING......

This thread is running like wildfire!!! I'm off to see Harry Potter ~ I'll catch up tonight on the long threads of conversation.

Just a quick thought ~ does anyone have any insight into Rush Limbaugh's chart? I feel like in the mass psyche these two fates are linked, those of George Bush and Rush Limbaugh. It's almost like these personalities are reflections of each other.

If we can scryre into Rush Limbaugh's fate, we might also be able to perceive the fate of *ush.

Namaste~
~D

JoannaOregon, had to LOL re Masons, good works, and "sloshing" Grandma was a (get ready to be impressed) Past Worthy Grand Matron of the Eastern Star. I have a feeling she didn't do much cooking or cleaning up. Grandpa was a 32nd degree Mason and he wanted to be a Shriner, but Grandma wouldn't let him because she was afraid he might have too much fun.

Cliss, great roundup of predictions. Re Nostradamus, does anybody on this site remember a French word (very likely slang) for the Germans that was used in WW ll? It was sort of like Borsch (not the soup of course) or something like that. Have no idea how to look it up--but the word was almost spat out.

Fr. Andrew Greeley had an article in a Chicago newspaper the last day or two about our current US political situation resembling Germany in the late 30s.

I think that Mercury transit is still in effect in my chart. Yakety, yak.

The shredding continues, step-by-step.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5197014/site/newsweek/

Brace yourself, Jo!
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/family/3403144/detail.html

I found this so interesting; especially when I think about so many gun tote'n, bible thumping Republicans

Last night my husband and I went to dinner with a good friend. He is a leading ad executive and has been a player in lots of big time advertising campaigns for major companies and corporations. Of course we discussed the Presidential race. He was saying how poorly Kerry is being “packaged” and what an incredible job the Republicans have done with “packaging” Bush. He suggested an article article; (listed below; It was rather long but I have paraphrased most of it) He said anthropologist Clotaire Rapaille’s theory of the Triune Brain has been used by the Bush handlers (I’d say Rove) and it has worked perfectly in selling Bush hook line and sinker to America. Our friend said Kerry or whoever becomes the democratic nominee “must,” appeal to the reptilian or Bush will win. I think the theory explains the example of a person like Pat Tillman-a full blown reptilian. I fully understand because my husband once upon a time was a professional athlete. Although Bush disgusts him, he is also more cortex and less reptilian. . . making him more balanced. But, so many of his old friends and teammates are really 100% reptilian. Thought the theory very interesting and how affective it would appear this “Reptilian Theory” has been used to promote Bush.

Clotaire Rapaille is a medical anthropologist that many Fortune 500's biggest companies have employed to advise them on how to appeal to American consumers. Rapaille bases his advertising approach on the theory of the Triune Brain, which propose that our minds work on three levels.
In order of evolutionary development:
(1). The Reptilian - Responsible for basic survival behaviors like fight or flight.
(2) The Limbic-Which governs our emotions.
(3) The Neocortex-Control center for language and rational thinking.

The reptilian is very much into survival, instinct, reproduction. This is the part of the brain that isn't beset by ethical considerations. The reptilian brain is different in that it does not see nuance. In the reptilian, you're not a little bit pregnant either you are pregnant or you're not pregnant. You're not a little bit dead you're either dead or not dead. And some people, and it seems Americans more than Europeans, when they live in a world with a lot of confusion, they want to be re-assured; they want to be re-connected with the reptilian. (“Like after the WTC and now the war in Iraq”). Clotaire Rapaille states no matter what, the one that always wins is the reptilian brain. Americans in general like a good reptilian person. (George Bush) Then you have the limbic and the cortic. (That’s Okay too) But when you are cortex and there is a risk that you are only cortex, that's what people really resent. (Kerry)

To win the up coming Presidential election Rapaille says the candidates should be interested in trying to connect with the collective reptilian brain. Rapaille maintains that packaging a candidate to sell to the American people is the same as when he was asked to package the Hummer. You are basically going for the same thing. In America the power of a brand and the connection people have with these brands are very powerful. If he were to assign a car brand to Bush and to Kerry-Bush would be a Hummer and Kerry a Hybrid.

He thinks Kerry should package himself more like Bush has been packaged. Do good old boy types of things like they did in packaging Bush. As when they had Bush buy a ranch- a pickup truck. -Put a gun on the back and how they get him prepped in plain speak’n. Rapaille doesn’t want to turn Kerry into Bush but he says Kerry must get more connected with the reptilian and right now maybe Bush is more reptilian because he is less cortex. On the other hand Kerry is an intellectual and Americans don't like intellectuals. We're afraid of intellectual. Clotaire Rapaille reiterated no matter what, the one that always wins is the reptilian brain. Americans in general like a good reptilian person and that is the person that will win the election.

Former diplomats, retired military leaders to call for Bush ouster

ASSOCIATED PRESS
WASHINGTON, June 13

-Former Diplomats, Retired Military Leaders to Call for Bush Ouster —

Angered by Bush administration policies they contend endanger national security, 26 retired U.S. diplomats and military officers are urging Americans to vote President Bush out of office in November.
The group, which calls itself Diplomats and Military Commanders for Change, does not explicitly endorse Democrat John Kerry for president in its campaign, which will start officially Wednesday at a Washington news conference.
The Bush-Cheney campaign said Sunday it would have no response until the group formally issues its statement at the news conference.
Among the group are 20 ambassadors, appointed by both Democratic and Republican presidents, other former State Department officials and military leaders whose careers span three decades.
Prominent members include retired Marine Gen. Joseph P. Hoar, commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East during the administration of Bush's father; retired Adm. William J. Crowe Jr., ambassador to Britain under President Clinton and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under President Reagan; and Jack F. Matlock Jr., a member of the National Security Council under Reagan and ambassador to the Soviet Union from 1987 to 1991.
''We agreed that we had just lost confidence in the ability of the Bush administration to advocate for American interests or to provide the kind of leadership that we think is essential,'' said William C. Harrop, the first President Bush's ambassador to Israel, and earlier to four African countries.
''The group does not endorse Kerry, although it more or less goes without saying in the statement,'' Harrop said Sunday in a telephone interview.
Harrop said he listed himself as an independent for years for career purposes but usually has voted Republican.
The former ambassador said diplomats and military officials normally avoid making political statements, especially in an election year.
''Some of us are not that comfortable with it, but we just feel very strongly that the country needs new leadership,'' Harrop said.
He said the group was disillusioned by Bush's handling of the war in Iraq and a list of other subjects, including the Middle East, environmental conservation, AIDS policy, ethnic and religious conflict and weapons proliferation.

Ann,

Thanks VERY MUCH for the information. I'm assuming you were referring to transits. What about chart comparisons? What's the degree spread needed to consider two planets as making a viable aspect?

All the Best to you,
Sharon

Kaye,

fascinating! And one irony of this is that people like the Democrats understand irony/nuance and Repugs don't. And the greatest irony is that Kerry is, by experience, the strong leader, while Bush Jr is the wimp.

Bush Jr. is the little kids' cardboard play version of the Hummer. Kerry is (pardon the expression) the real deal. But Kerry appears too refined for some of the general public to understand that.

But another way to put it is that Kerry must present a very simple message.

And heeeere's ANOTHER one . . . . .

Rx for W: Electoral Surgery

By Richard Leiby
Thursday, June 10, 2004; Page C03

We can assure you nobody will be caught perusing this book in the White House. "Bush on the Couch," authored by a longtime Washington psychiatrist who has never met or treated the president, offers "an exploration of Bush's psyche" that delves into such touchy topics as his baby sister's death, his relationship with his mother and father and his drinking history.

In the book, to be released Tuesday, Justin A. Frank, a clinical professor at George Washington University Medical Center, claims President Bush exhibits "sadistic tendencies" and suffers from "character pathology," including "grandiosity" and "megalomania" -- viewing himself, America and God as interchangeable. Frank told us yesterday that his opinions are based on publicly available materials, adding, "I've never met the president or any members of his family."

A Democrat who once headed the Washington chapter of Physicians for Social Responsibility, Frank concludes in the book: "Our sole treatment option -- for his benefit and for ours -- is to remove President Bush from office . . . before it is too late."

more . . . http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A30085-2004Jun10.html

Kaye - An interesting viewpoint but I wonder if doing so wouldn't make Kerry as dishonest as Bush is. Do we want to keep fostering the idea that perception is more valid than reality? And, it also occurs to me that Bush didn't win the popular vote, Gore did. But thanks for the food for thought, even if it is a lizard.

Also, twice duly-elected President WJ Clinton won two terms. They' must've been landslides as even then, elections in many places were being jiggered. busch otoh, didn't win any election & certainly not the "popular vote." Besides, a commercialized, spun, factory-packaged & stamped prezie... there's just something revolting in that imo. I like little cars, too. Don't have to rob a credit union to fill it with gas. ;O)

I don't know this Roxann, but I sure
like what she said... I find it interesting too. what DOES happen to us
on our second Saturn returns?

Roxane Carol = I'll be a monkey's uncle if Bush is re-elected. Bush will be having his 2nd Saturn return on Election Day.

mimi

I almost missed it... that was a lovely poem, Jo. Thanks for posting--have passed it on.

Shylurker,
Thanks for the heads up! dKos had a thread on very same thing just before RR died... seems same group was looking at a couple of southern states, SC among them... I got really upset with some of the Kossacks who commented that since they were all red states we should just drop them into the Atlantic! Thread ended up being the Civil War all over again... times are getting crazy, aren't they? How are you feeling Shylurker, with this Saturn transit through Cancer? tUranus Rx station finishes the 15th right? That hasn't helped my 'stuff' --- one 'surprise' after another here at Lake Wobegone...

Namaste

shylurker, i say sell the xtian separatists the entire state of north dakota. now, ND is filled with good, hard working people (and a great senator, byron dorgan). that's why we sell it to them along with an ongoing royalty against future income. all proceed go to the fine folks of ND who move to south carolina and enjoy the nice weather the xtians can have public floggings, creation based science, pat boone, fallwell and robertson, and betty bowers, 'america's best christian.' south carolina is entirely too nice for these folks.

as far as packaging goes, corporations market a limited line of products to people who don't pay much attention other than name recognition. the fancy add industry theories are really predicated on what would happen anyway, the more you hear about coke, the more coke you buy (my nose is running). kerry is packaged just right -- hes a smart guy who has personal courage and want's to spread the wealth and assume a more reasonable position for america in the world, so we can keep selling them stuff. he also has the capacity to grow. people are sick of 'awe shucks.' bush is the great example of what happens when you elect the class clown.

saturn, bring it on baby...i'm going to go back and re-read liz greene's book on saturn.

Bushboy: Saturn, 12th House, Cancer, 26 degrees (a lonely planet it would seem with only the square to the mid heaven)

Saturn in the 12th house:

“The first thing to clarify when speaking of the Saturn return is that the quality of the entire experience and the extent to which it is felt to be a ‘difficult’ time depends entirely on how one has lived during the previous 29 years, how much one has worked efficiently toward achieving a specific goal, how much depth the person has built into understanding the creative pursuits, and to what extend the individual as expressed or suppressed his or her ‘fundamental nature.’” Sttephen Arroyo, Astrology, karma & Transformation (p. 82)

“Saturn in the twelfth house…is difficult from the point of view of the personality because the Saturnian energies, geared initially toward self protection and defense against the environment, are rendered ineffectual. This may in extreme situations be through hospitalizations or imprisonments for a period of time, and the [person] may learn through his own helplessness how ultimately impotent the personal will is against the forces of his own past which he himself has set in motion.” Liz Greene, Saturn, A New Look at an Old Devil (p. 31).

Saturn Return:

“This is a time of endings and new beginnings. If you have built your life up to now around activities that are inappropriate for you, it will be a period of crisis. If you have been doing what you should in previous years, this transit will simply mark a time of solidification and the beginning of new phases of activity.” Robert Hand, Planets in Transit (p. 348).

Jr shouldn't be biking without training wheels and Sr couldn't jump without a sitter. Ridiculous photo on drudge at the moment.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040613/D836D6U00.html

Y'know, Mike, decades ago there was one major backwards place, among others, in the Deep South. It's that piece of country that is comprised of part of the panhandle of Fl (west side--but up from the coast by about 20 miles) and part of southern AL--the two being separated by a dotted line. If that part of the country (think Deliverance) still exists as such, I'd recommend those people just relocate there. Perfect fit all the way around and Jo wouldn't have to leave SC. We could put a dotted line all the way around their territory, establish defended borders and recycle all the old Gideon bibles there.

Jo, a dear pet died. It hurts, of course, but we're always reluctant (taught to be, in our human arrogance) to confess that a pet's passing can be so painful. I B OK, though. Thnx for asking. Hope you're doing ok and, lord knows, I wish her HMO would do right by Morgana.

Shylurker,
What a wonderful resolution to the problem! A perfect place for these folks...

I'm so sorry about your loss... pets are family. And loss is... loss, isn't it? Namaste

Morgana,
you hang in there honey... be as cranky as you need to be... we love you and we're trying to behave, but we're looking forward to your healing and the sound of morgana music... light and blessings

Namaste

methinks the crimes are much deeper that we
have imagined....

http://www.nationinstitute.org/tomdispatch/index.mhtml?emx=x&pid=1494

someone here brought up limbaugh. the other day when every ear was sucking up bs about the tragedy of reagan's death (actually heard on tv by my mother) limbaugh, according to another close source, was chortling about Bill CLinton falling asleep at the funeral. NOw, in fact, according to an article I found on buzzflash, Clinton was furious at being denied the right to speak at the funeral, it seems highly unlikely that he would have fallen asleep at the event.
bleah.
mimi

Oh, dear mimi. Reagan was asleep at the wheel while President (during which time his little meany minions were wreaking havoc on thousands of innocent people in other countries), Clinton wasn't asked to speak at the funeral, so who's to think much of his resting his eyes during the thing? I guess courtesy (do we actually still practice that?) demanded he attend.

WV,
The crimes, IMHO, go all the way to the top... and the Pentagon is divided/split, with leaks coming daily. The worst is yet to come. Remember the pictures members of Congress viewed? Recall Sen. Lindsey Graham said it involved 'murder'? And Sy Hersh says children were involved... truthout website has some really graphic pics I had not seen before... I don't like seeing them, I wasn't looking for them, I merely went to the website and there they were. Somewhere today I read a report that things are coming in stages, and if heads don't start to roll, the photos in the 2nd batch (the ones Congress saw, that Rummy doesn't want us to see) or some of them, will be published --- one TV network has them - probably CBS, and WaPo has them... this is still torturegate, we haven't gotten to Plame and the risk to national security and the damage done to CIA front in Saudi Arabia that Rupert is writing about... and on and on... I'll trying to find the link now... I think it was Le Monde or Guardian.

I'm sick to my stomach... and know I'm going to be sicker as the days go on... remember in the spring how the wonderful astrologers here were talking about the long, hot summer? well, it's here...

Jo, thankyou for the wonderful poem. That was just beautiful and such a clear reflection of the earthtime. What a wonderful spirit you are!

I'm really getting sick of Clinton and Hillary.
I know Clinton is a Leo and loves the spotlight but who cares if he wasn't allowed to speak at the Fake President's funeral.
Clinton is the reason that the Democratic party is searching for its soul right now and Hillary isn't helping matters by sucking up to the right by voting for the war. I say the hell with both of them.

Actually Patrick, many Americans yearn for the good old days when the only "crime" in the White House oval office was sex ...and not torture, theft of the treasury, murder, violating the laws of the land called the Constitution, and blackmailing and blacklisting honest public servants and citizens.

As a matter of fact, imho volunteers should have been lined up outside the WH to keep Mr. Clinton happy and continuing to do such a good job with the exception of his promoting WTO.

Yup, the only reason Clinton is a negative issue is because they have sunk tons of money into making him one. When the world thought the US had gone insane treating him so horribly, they wern't all wrong.

Gotta second that, Pallas18. Compare, Patrick, the treatment of "prisoners" in the Bush gulags to Nazi techniques. No, our "government" is not shoving Iraqis into ovens, but we sure seem to have borrowed tons of stuff from the Nazis (strip them of clothes, confront them with dogs, and, of course, always pull in some "sexual" depravity). Focus on the evil that is being done in our name and with our tax money. Where is the outrage, Patrick? Why aren't people screaming in the streets?

Mille Grazie Corleonis e Mike.

Kaye, very interesting. Exactly what WH aide Andrew Card seems to be expert at, timing of marketing. Kerry should take the advice although I think to some extent he has with the ads showing him in Viet Nam carrying his rifle and picking his way through the jungle.
_ _ __ _ _ _ _

WV - from your article above (you really should post a couple of paragraphs on the wonderful links you put up)It's a blockbuster:

http://www.nationinstitute.org/tomdispatch/index.mhtml?emx=x&pid=1494

"...slide toward tyranny as the Bush administration tries to exempt itself from the rule of law." As justifications for torture, these are the sorts of documents one can imagine finding in the files of some grim third world dictatorship or maybe the former Apartheid regime of South Africa. As the Washington Post editorial page put it recently, speaking of the authors of such memos and their masters, "Theirs is the logic of criminal regimes…" Were it ever to be made the law of the land, our republic, such as it is, would quite literally be ended and we would face some kind of one-party dictatorship. Were its definitions of torture ever made the law of the land, every torturer on earth would shout hosannas to it. "

"according to...The Washington Post." ..despite his denials to Congress, in the fall of 2003, "Lt. Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez, the senior U.S. military officer in Iraq, borrowed heavily from a list of high-pressure interrogation tactics used at the U.S. detention center in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and approved letting senior officials at a Baghdad jail use military dogs, temperature extremes, reversed sleep patterns, sensory deprivation, and diets of bread and water on detainees whenever they wished, according to newly obtained documents."

".. in December 2002 Donald Rumsfeld approved a very similar list of "interrogation techniques" right down to those dogs for Guantanamo: "U.S. military interrogators at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, could put prisoners in ‘stress positions' for as long as four hours, hood them and subject them to 20-hour-long interrogations, ‘fear of dogs' and ‘mild non-injurious physical contact,' according to [a] list of techniques Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld approved in December 2002." (The list was later rejiggered not because of any qualms Rumsfeld had but due to complaints from military officers about the severity of the methods suggested. The present list of approved techniques remains classified, but will undoubtedly soon be leaked to the press.) "

"Among the most disturbing cases, perhaps unprecedented in U.S. history, are the detainees who have simply been ‘disappeared.' Perhaps out of concern that Guantánamo will eventually be monitored by the U.S. courts, certainly to ensure even greater secrecy, the Bush administration does not appear to hold its most sensitive and high-profile detainees there. Terrorism suspects like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, accused architect of the September 11 attacks, and Abu Zubaydah, a close aide of Osama bin Laden, are detained by the United States instead in ‘undisclosed locations,' presumably outside the United States, with no access to the ICRC, no notification to families, no oversight of any sort of their treatment, and in most cases no acknowledgement that they are even being held. Human Rights Watch has pieced together information on 13 such detainees, apprehended in places such as Pakistan, Indonesia, Thailand, Morocco, and the United Arab Emirates, who have ‘disappeared' in U.S. custody."

These are, in fact, documents of shame, symbolic of a kind of bureaucratic lawlessness let loose at the heart of our government. They are intent on creating a pseudo-legal basis for replacing the rule of law with the rule of a commander-in-chief. As Robert Kuttner put it in the Boston Globe, "For nearly three years, the Bush administration has resorted to the most preposterous fictions to define either locales or categories of people to whom the law does not apply. _ _ _ _ _ _

The trail goes up to Sanchez,(who lied to Congress) to WH Counsel Gonzales, to Rumsfeld and Bush. And some of the WH lawyers who wrote it are now on Appellate Courts and Federal Judges. They should be impeached. General Myers is worried about the Hague for himself. Oddly there is no mention of clever cheney.

Hello (got it right this time) Sharon. The degrees of orb for relationship and composite charts that I use are about the same and can be mitigated some by groupings of planets which almost always occur in composites and frequently in synastry. If I make an adjustment it is usually to accommodate unusual other aspects that are strong and the planets, light or angular point is drawn into the other aspects because they are in the neighborhood or have some other connection such as mutual reception or personal rulership of one of the parites.

Hope this is helpful. Ann

there is no question now that these are impeachable criminal offenses. Those generals and
ambassadors I'm sure realize that the House of Reps and Ashcroft will never bring articles of impeachment and so are coming out and looking for a way around Ashcroft and the House of Reps.

Meanwhile the Supreme Court has a case about whether the torture is legal or not. I would imagine they are getting the generals' message.
Will they dare back up the illegality of this administation's action? (good horary question at
12:37 AM EDT)

And here's some move from a UK paper on more soon to be exposed about the criminals in the WH:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/06/13/wguan13.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/06/13/ixworld.html

"Scott Silliman, a former US air force lawyer and the director of the Centre for Law Ethics and National Security at Duke University, said: "What you have is a culture of avoidance of law rather than compliance with it."

"Legal and constitutional experts have expressed astonishment at the judgments made by administration lawyers on interrogation techniques. In one memo, written in January 2002, Mr Gonzalez told President Bush that the nature of the war on terror "renders obsolete Geneva's strict limitations on questioning of enemy prisoners and renders quaint some of its provisions".

Interrogation abuses were 'approved at highest levels'By Julian Coman in Washington
(Filed: 13/06/2004)

New evidence that the physical abuse of detainees in Iraq and at Guantanamo Bay was authorised at the top of the Bush administration will emerge in Washington this week, adding further to pressure on the White House.

The Telegraph understands that four confidential Red Cross documents implicating senior Pentagon civilians in the Abu Ghraib scandal have been passed to an American television network, which is preparing to make them public shortly.

According to lawyers familiar with the Red Cross reports, they will contradict previous testimony by senior Pentagon officials who have claimed that the abuse in the Abu Ghraib prison was an isolated incident.

"There are some extremely damaging documents around, which link senior figures to the abuses," said Scott Horton, the former chairman of the New York Bar Association, who has been advising Pentagon lawyers unhappy at the administration's approach. "The biggest bombs in this case have yet to be dropped."

Ummm.

I don;t think dimwit is going to get much of a boost from the Reagan funeral.

Ron Reagan's (the son) shot at Bush*

"Dad was also a deeply, unabashedly religious man. But he never made the fatal mistake of so many politicians wearing his faith on his sleeve to gain political advantage. True, after he was shot and nearly killed early in his presidency, he came to believe that God had spared him in order that he might do good. But he accepted that as a responsibility, not a mandate. And there is a profound difference."

We keep focusing on Bush, it's the US Chart that needs focus. While I agree with the post above regarding the work of Rapaille in the "Triune Brain" it will be the people who decide the person who best represents our safety and survival. George Bush did not win the election in 2000, and he has brought us to the brink of disaster economically, environmentally, and physically, no matter how they package him.

Before Saturn gets to GWB's Saturn return and oppose the US Pluto in the 2nd house, it will conjunct the US Mercury in our 8th house, that is our economy.

Thanks to the State's Dept. 'glitch' everyone now knows that terrorists attacks are up in the world, and thanks to Ashcroft who keeps reminding all of us to be afraid very afraid calling into question this administration's ability to keep us safe, and it will be the swing states who decide this election, Florida being a big one and people are on that like bees to honey. The number one big damage Bush can do this summer is push through more conservative judges, that is a big concern. The judicial system is where we win or lose our freedoms and Pluto squaring Neptune in the 9th house bodes ill next year for surreptitious action in this area.

The first sitting of the House was 04.01.1789, LMT NY,NY for the Senate it was 04.06.1789 in NY, as you can see both are being aspected by Saturn in a square. The first sitting in Washington was a joint session on 11.17.1800 at 9:00am. This chart has TPluto conj. Venus and TNeptune moving back toward a square to Mars (retro) The Senate is on the verge, if not steeped in being marginalized. TPluto conj. Venus (ruler of midheaven) for the 1st time in our history is a promise of the Senate and House needing to make changes.

It fascinates me how we (including me) keep giving power to Bush instead of what is happening to America. These transits would have hit America no matter who was President.

Tomorrow Saturn is 'kissin' his Sun (it's already past just barely but past the US Sun) this is going to be a difficult week for Bush and the US.

I don't think so either, Pallas. In fact, the "endless" ray-gun funeral has triggered many very unpleasant memories & recalls in a great number of people... buschie, the brat, is riding on the coattail of that, too.

Anyway, torture "for information" is utterly bogus. In a Dominator/Controller System, particuarly the punitive religiose, it fuels its monsterous engine on pressurized human & Natural World Life Force, or sex energy... it gets backed-up & twisted... it quickly becomes compelled to & enjoys "shooting wads" in [duh] very negative destructive ways... such as "doing war." It's the classic Cycle of Violence found also in any battered spouse or incested child household. Microcosm/macrocosm. Goddess help us heal from such an old ugly unbearable system.

This is Henry Waxman's site, this fellow is busy and we can be grateful that he continues working behind the scenes to catalog all the abuses since the Inauguration in 2001. He notes them, catalogs them, writes the appropriate letters of information to the accused party and issues the appropriate summons even if he is consistently ignored. I just hope he doesn't fly.

http://www.house.gov/reform/min/

Even in Minneapolis, they're catching on to
"King George". and what we have known for three years. To me, this is very important - heartland and so on:

Editorial: King George?/Justice, Pentagon claim so
June 13, 2004 ED0613

It was 1970, and the Vietnam War was raging. A young U.S. intelligence case officer was delivering reports gathered by his indigenous agents to a local U.S. artillery captain. One report was of a crude Viet Cong hospital in the jungle, within range of the captain's guns. We won't be hitting that target, the captain said. Why not? he was asked. Because we don't hit their hospitals and they don't hit ours, the captain replied. In those few words, he expressed a central reason why international norms of behavior in war are important: Although you are trying to kill each other, the Golden Rule still applies: You must treat others as you want them to treat you.

Now comes the Bush administration, post 9/11, anxious to find a means of legitimizing torture and abuse that are outlawed both by U.S. law and by international treaties the United States has ratified. The effort is a despicable affront not only to U.S. and international law, but to the U.S. Constitution and to common decency. It also creates considerable risk for American forces in this and future wars: If the United States doesn't feel itself bound by agreed norms of behavior in war, why should anyone else?

Excellent national reporting on this scandal has been overwhelmed the past week by attention paid to the passing of former President Ronald Reagan. That was understandable, perhaps, but now attention needs to refocus on what is arguably the most egregious attempt ever to redefine the power of the presidency, to, in effect, make the president a king in time of war.

Two reports are at the center of this controversy, one from the Pentagon and one from the Justice Department. Attorney General John Ashcroft refuses to release the latter report to Congress even though he cites no legal justification for his refusal. His behavior is itself an offensive, and perhaps impeachable, attempt to redefine the constitutional power of the executive branch.

The two reports, extensive portions of which have been leaked to the press, boil down to this: While the Bush administration has repeatedly said publicly that its treatment of detainees from Afghanistan and Iraq is in accord with international and U.S. law, its lawyers at Justice and the Pentagon, using pretzel-like arguments and definitions, have determined that the president can do whatever he wants, including the use of torture, to whomever he wants so long as he determines that such action is required as part of the war effort. He is constrained by neither the Eighth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which prohibits cruel and unusual punishment, nor the Convention Against Torture, which says that "no exceptional circumstance whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture."

The administration lawyers also declare that there is nothing Congress can do to stop the president when he is acting in his capacity as commander in chief of American forces. The president's power is thus absolute. Taken together with this administration's unprecedented refusal to declassify the 24 interrogation techniques it uses against foreign detainees, the reports strongly suggest the United States now claims for itself, and employs, a right to use techniques of torture that it has fought internationally for decades to outlaw.

The reasoning in the reports is not only wrong and immoral on the issue of torture, it seeks also to toss overboard the U.S. Constitution's division of powers among the three branches of government. As one observer said, the U.S. Constitution doesn't make the president a king, but these documents do.

Even if the United States is not now using torture, as the administration publicly maintains, the very existence of these documents gives aid and comfort to existing and future dictatorial regimes worldwide -- and puts at risk American service people deployed in defense of this nation's interests anywhere in the world.

Congress must put an arrow through the heart of the extraordinary claims made in the Pentagon and Justice Department documents. If they are allowed to stand, the United States becomes no better than the dictatorial forces of evil it has battled abroad throughout its history. It becomes a nation unworthy of the sacrifices borne by its brave service men and women.

I, for one, just find it useful to use busch as a living symbol for the "State of the Union" as it presently exists with its cast of criminals, torturers, sexual act-outs, fascists & freepers, Miss Sally. Perhaps that notion's not too far off base, seein' as how the USian/busch suns are in the same 13th deg of cancer. ;O) And "13" is actually such a wonderful number, too. (sniff)

Well, I've always said that it is our human want to place the blame, and that as Saturn got closer to our Sun (our ego) we, in this country, would not be happy and if we are not happy someone must be responsible, now who would that be? I know, that snot nosed, tyrannical, little dictator sitting in the WH and he isn't even supposed to be there. With any luck we will be able to throw the upsurper out on his ear and he can take all his buddies with him gnashing their teeth.

But Jo, I do hope we as a nation will take a good hard look at ourselves and how we let this happen so it will be a very long time if ever that it happens again. It would be nice to have the fascism that has risen so high since the 30's to be gone, over, done.

Sally - you said:

"The Senate is on the verge, if not steeped in being marginalized. TPluto conj. Venus (ruler of midheaven) for the 1st time in our history is a promise of the Senate and House needing to make changes."

Reading the articles above you can see that that is exactly what dimson and crew did do - marginalize Congress - take all powers to the Executive branch...I would be concerned more for
the Mars/Neptune aspect - that explains the anthrax..

And you said: "It fascinates me how we (including me) keep giving power to Bush instead of what is happening to America. These transits would have hit America no matter who was President."

That's true Sally and I can see you're angry at what is happening too, BUT you know that if someone else had been president the reactions would have been different...there would never possibly have been an Iraq war - although there still would have been an Islamic uprising -

and you also know that it is not giving power to dimson but as "Commander in Chief" he is happening to America - America's moves are his and vice versa (except for the people's planets and houses)

Yes. The concentration has to be on dimson and the military houses now.

But it will be interesting to look at the charts you have listed:

"The first sitting in Washington was a joint session on 11.17.1800 at 9:00am. This chart has TPluto conj. Venus and TNeptune moving back toward a square to Mars (retro) The Senate is on the verge, if not steeped in being marginalized. TPluto conj. Venus (ruler of midheaven) for the 1st time in our history is a promise of the Senate and House needing to make changes."

Needing to make changes, or being changed? Pluto/Venus = control or controlled? Congress controls money and that is their power.

Something is about to happen.

The exposes of torture.
with more coming,
Ron Reagan Jr eviscerating dimson at his father's casket,
CIA backstabbing the cabal,
The Generals for the first time in history publish
a letter saying dimson must go.

Something is about to happen and we need to look and see whether it is good for the people or not.

The country is going to be broke - that damage is done.

The question is, is the happening going to save further damage and bloodshed? and how much of the
Constitution is going to be restored - if any?

Blessed Be to that, Miss Sally.

And, sadly, I'm thinking that our present & impending financial crisis will have more to do with "raising of the consciousness" than buschie per se.

Pallas, put the Senate (Joint session) with the Constitution chart, the US Chart and the Fed Chart, progress each of them and it tells an interesting story. I do however always keep an eye on both the 1800 joint session chart in Washington and the April charts in 1789 because 1789 was when Washington was Inaugurated (there were actually 6 presidents before him from 1776 to 1789, I will look it up later but I think Washington was Inaugurated on April 30. I would like to add that the Washington Inaugural Chart was considered the chart of the Presidency by astrologers until the early 1900's, much as we consider July 4, 1776 the chart of the US. It was about 1910 that the shift was made from Washington's chart to the US chart that we started looking to that as the pick for presidents.

At least we now know why two generals retired in the middle of the Iraq war. They didn't want to be tried for rumsfeld/dimson's war crimes. Myers likely will be. Wonder if they call them dummy and rummy?

Haha! "Dummy & Rummy" Bet they do!

Sally, drives me nuts that you find these dates !!
LOL. How about the founding of the army. That's
the one I'm interested in right now. I want to see what they're going to do.

Birth of Joint Chiefs of Staff?

Birth of US Army? I guess that might be George
Washington"s chart? was he the first general?

When was the first election held in this country?

That might tell us whether there is or isn't going to be one on Nov 2.

I kinda like the title " On The Precipice" Sally. :D

Wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall of the
WH tonight with the news of the generals published demand ? And you don't want to look at dimson's chart? Yod's and quincunx's. septiles would be even better.

Karma

In the 1930's, if I remember correctly (I wasn't there or even a twinkle) Granpappy dimson plotted with others to coup FDR.

and it would appear there are those who are now coup-ing dimson.

what goes around comes around.

hmmm- that would speak to a shared and ancestral, shared genes karma -

you caught me before I went to bed, The Army was formed June 14, 1775 under Washington, it celebrates it 229 birthday this year. The Joint Chief of Staff has a rather checkered history. The Army and Navy formed under a joint board in 1903 but was unsuccessful and disbanded. The reformed in 1919 and disbanded. On July 20, 1942 all the services banded together, but they did not have a chairman until 1947, nonetheless the July 20, 1942 is the official date of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

I have all the dates because I've been collecting them for 40 years when I started studying astrology

Sally - you are something else.

Got the dates. Working them tomorrow and prolly
more than tomorrow.

Thanks and g'nite.

Reagan apologists are coming up everywhere... the week of revisionism also brought a blast from the past of truth, which weaves straight through to this administration. Writing in the Houston Chronicle, Wayne Madsen attempts to expose the truth while at the same time shroud RR in a cloak of innocence. Madsen served in the National Security Agency during the Reagan administration.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/editorial/2624658

“... However, many of the tenets of George W. Bush's policies -- including pre-emptive warfare, massive spending on unwise defense systems like Star Wars II and a skyrocketing federal deficit -- have their roots among the more extreme members of the Reagan administration -- those we now call "neoconservatives."

Perhaps it was the result of Reagan's hands-off approach to the day-to-day dealings of his staff and Cabinet, but the Iran-Contra scandal -- the illegal trading of weapons to Iran for hostages -- became an indelible stain on his administration.

Neoconservatives and adventurers -- criminal or not -- from Elliott Abrams to Richard Perle were purged. And judging from the recent activities of the Justice Department's special prosecutor, these Iran-Contra figures who did so much to damage the legacy of our 40th president are now poised to bring down our 43rd president.

The final congressional report on Iran-Contra determined that Reagan bore "ultimate responsibility" for the criminal acts of his advisers.”

One person not mentioned is the VP under Reagan, Geo. H. W. Bush. It seems to me no accident that the cabinet of the present Bush administration contains players from the Reagan years. The present Vice President was a player in the Reagan administration.

It is erroneous to suggest that Dubya has been ‘led/influenced’ by the Neocons... he is a Neocon, as his father is... and more. Labels are poor tools for understanding... they are neither exclusive or inclusive in their ability to define an entity.

Sally’s words upthread ring true:

“I do hope we as a nation will take a good hard look at ourselves and how we let this happen so it will be a very long time if ever that it happens again. It would be nice to have the fascism that has risen so high since the 30's to be gone, over, done.”

Namaste

...looks like the Red Cross is on his case...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4946618-103550,00.html

Bush tells Pope to go after Kerry.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_06_13.php#003064

From the above link:

"According to today's Times ...

In his recent trip to Rome, President Bush asked a top Vatican official to push American bishops to speak out more about political issues, including same-sex marriage, according to a report in the National Catholic Reporter, an independent newspaper.
In a column posted Friday evening on the paper's Web site, John L. Allen Jr., its correspondent in Rome and the dean of Vatican journalists, wrote that Mr. Bush had made the request in a June 4 meeting with Cardinal Angelo Sodano, the Vatican secretary of state. Citing an unnamed Vatican official, Mr. Allen wrote: "Bush said, 'Not all the American bishops are with me' on the cultural issues. The implication was that he hoped the Vatican would nudge them toward more explicit activism."

Mr. Allen wrote that others in the meeting confirmed that the president had pledged aggressive efforts "on the cultural front, especially the battle against gay marriage, and asked for the Vatican's help in encouraging the U.S. bishops to be more outspoken." Cardinal Sodano did not respond, Mr. Allen reported, citing the same unnamed people.
-snip-

I guess on one level we can say we've come a long way since 1960 when John F. Kennedy had to foreswear that he'd follow the instructions of the Pope in his decisions of governance.

Today we have a Protestant born-again who tries to enlist the Pope to intervene in an American election.

This is a response shylurker, Pat and Pallas18 upthread,
I was talking about Clinton and his willingness to appease the right instead of fighting for what he believed in (if he really believes in anything other than). Of course Clinton was a much better president than what we have now but he could have done a lot more if he had a spine. He and Hillary are examples of what's wrong with the Democratic party-----lack of principals or lack of willingness to stand up for them.

I do take exception to that, but I thank you for your response. I think history, if it is truthfully written will say otherwise.

This is Human Rights Watch's report on the torture being performed by the U.S. government:

http://hrw.org/reports/2004/usa0604/

Patrick, I'm assuming the message about Clinton just a couple of comments up is from you. Clinton is not my fave rave, either, but he did take actions that made sense and did not humiliate our country. Bosnia, for example, pulling out of Somalia, etc. He was up against enormous pressure and, apparently, his phenomenal ability to compartmentalize kept him going rather than disintegrating into an emotional wreck what with all the attacks being conducted by the ravenous wreckers in the Republican Party. (That they claim to be patriotic is mind-boggling, isn't it?) He certainly embarrassed himself, but that's a different issue. If our current Democrats in Washington can't get it together now and lead us back--quickly--to the rule of law as established in the Constitution, we are all toast.

Juan Cole’s website has several interesting items this a.m.

http://www.juancole.com

Among them:

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/06/14/coup/index_np.html

[you need to get a day pass, but it’s worth it]

Powers: Internal War between CIA and Pentagon as bad as External Wars

Mark Follman at Salon.com profiles Thomas Powers, author of "Intelligence Wars: American Secret History From Hitler to Al Qaeda." Powers argues that the war between the CIA and the Pentagon is a third war for the US after Afghanistan and Iraq. He gives as an example the CIA raid on the house of Ahmad Chalabi, a Pentagon asset who had been set up in that house by the Department of Defense, which had the effect of destroying Chalabi politically. Powers also sees the Abu Ghuraib prison torture scandal in the context of this internal war. He believes that Rumsfeld authorized military intelligence to "turn up the heat." He also thinks it likely that the Pentagon took Israeli advice on how to humiliate and break Arab prisoners.

.... Powers charges that the Bush administration is responsible for what is perhaps the greatest disaster in the history of U.S. intelligence.

It's astounding how these wargeezer temp workers, after weazeling themselves into govt, think they have prerogative to mega-intrusively wheel n' deal/bargain with each other about our most intimate lives... including snuffing out our lives. They all need a huge whoopin' upside their unbelievably arrogant & stupid haids. They need a real job. No, they need to be deposited in the Cosmic Compost Pile to rot into humble-humus.

Patrick, you said:

"He and Hillary are examples of what's wrong with the Democratic party-----lack of principals or lack of willingness to stand up for them."

IMHO The Clintons are probably the only people in recent memory who were willing to be crucified for their principals. NONE, NO other politicians have ever been persecuted as the Clintons were by the insane members of the far right government since the Dreyfuss Affair.

If your opinion is that the Clintons are what's wrong with the democratic party, I wonder Patrick if you can name anything that you think is good about the Democratic Party .

From my point of view it is the party of and for the wellbeing of the working man as well as the country. The percentage of the "working man" as opposed to the rich and corporations I would guess
is somewhere around 90%. I dont think 90% should be made to go without in order that the 10% can engage in Roman orgies. Do you?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040614/D836SLV80.html

Who wrote dimson's speech at the unveiling of
bill & hill's portraits in the WH???? pretty incredible!

Bills' response and reminder to the current resident:

Clinton said: "The president, by his generous words to Hillary and me today, has proved once again that in the end, we are held together by this grand system of ours that permits us to debate and struggle and fight for what we believe is right."

"And because it's free, because it is a system of majority rule and minority rights, we're still around here after over 200 years. And most of the time, we get it right. And I'm honored to be a small part of it."

Pallas18, regarding your response to Patrick, BRAVO.

Sally,
I don't know whether this is unsuitable for this website or not. I couldn't link it because it came to me as a hotmail message!
A Letter from Ramsey Clark
Impeachment Now!
An Urgent Appeal for Contributions to A Major Campaign

Dear VoteToImpeach / ImpeachBush.org Member,

For the American people who support and defend the Constitution of the United States, who want to prevent further crimes by a lawless administration, who believe we can redeem our country in the eyes of those this government has assaulted and those who have witnessed this brutality and who dare to demand of future government leadership, NEVER AGAIN, Impeachment is Imperative. A decent respect to the opinions of humankind requires that we Americans should declare the causes which impel us to impeach.

The Bush Cabal Has Subverted the Constitution
and Caused the Powerful U.S. Military
to Commit the Most Serious of All Crimes

President George W. Bush chose to wage a war of aggression against Iraq, which had not attacked the United States and presented no imminent threat to our people, or legitimate interests. A small cabal, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz, Feith, Libby and Rove wrested decision making processes from established institutions of government to reinforce President Bush’s desire to seize Iraq, defying international institutions, the opinions of humankind and the rule of law to commence a disastrous criminal military adventure.

War of aggression is the first offense listed in the Nuremberg Charter as a Crime against Peace. The Nuremberg Tribunal after hearing evidence of Nazi crimes in World War II convicted the leaders of waging wars of aggression, which it called “the supreme international crime.”

At Nuremberg, the Chief U.S. Prosecutor, Robert H. Jackson, promised posterity that in the future all nations, including our own, would be held accountable for such crimes.

President Bush and key administration officials engaged in a lengthy campaign of deceit, concealment and false propaganda to create support for, and acceptance of, its war of aggression by claiming Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction, harbored terrorists, had close ties with and supported Al Qaeda and intended to attack the U.S., U.S. citizens and U.S. interests. A free society, democratic institutions and constitutional government cannot survive such deceit by its own government.

The U.S. has made civilians and civilian facilities its direct object of attack. It has pursued assassination and summary executions as official policy. President Bush boasted of summary executions in his State of the Union message in 2003. Excessive and indiscriminate force and illegal weapons have been used. Many thousands of Iraqi citizens, whole families, women, children, elderly Iraqis have been killed as a result.

U.S. military casualties exceed 5,000 including more than 800 deaths with many additional thousands returned to the United States for physical and mental illnesses.

The U.S. has employed torture, including torture to death, rape and sexual assault and humiliation, as approved and ordered policy from Afghanistan and Guantanamo to Iraq, inflicted on thousands of prisoners, many, if not most, without any evidence of wrongful conduct. An admitted 37 human beings have been murdered while being held in captivity by the United States under these conditions. We know not how many more. All the mounting evidence makes clear that this program of torture and death is not aberrational conduct of rogue or undisciplined soldiers but is rather the policy adopted at the highest levels of the Bush/Rumsfeld chain of command. All this in violation of the Geneva Conventions, the International Conventions Against Torture, the laws of all nations and common human decency.

Our Constitutional Duty To Impeach is Clear

Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution of the United States provides: The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, Shall Be Removed From Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Every American should choose whether to vote for impeachment entirely on the facts, straight up, or down, without political, or partisan fear, or favor. We owe this to the country, its future and our common heritage.
Impeachment is Required Now

Impeachment now is the only way we, the American people, can promise ourselves and the world that we will not tolerate crimes against peace and humanity by our government. Knowing what we know, to wait for the election is to tolerate what has been done and risk more.

The conspiracy of deceit and the facts of criminal acts are crystal clear. They have been apparent all along. Now they are undeniable.

Revelations of the criminal purposes of the Bush administration by insiders including former Bush administration Secretary of the Treasury Paul O’Neill and Chief Security Advisor on Terrorism Richard Clarke confirm what we knew. Evidence gathered by, and admissions made to, pre-eminent investigative journalists including Bob Woodward and Seymour Hersh, and torrents of media reports confirm what was in plain sight all along. The New York Times, with its presumed access to information, proclaims with a healthy candor that it was mislead by the Bush administration. In truth, the Times leadership supported the ends sought and the anticipated benefits of regime change. It remained uncritical of the false justifications given and criminal acts committed by the Bush cabal until the media reports of the means employed repulsed the public and the proclaimed values of the Times. The same is doubtless true of much of the media and the public. The remedy is greater rectitude, independent judgment and constant vigilance.

The Bush Cabal Pursues Its Policy of Regime Change
In Iraq, Haiti, and Elsewhere,
Even as its Criminal Acts Catch Up with It

The Bush cabal continues its policy of regime change seeking to continue its control of Iraq by causing the installation of a man with also known, close ties to the CIA as Prime Minister of Iraq, among other U.S. paid agents, come June 30, 2004, thus assuring greater conflict as Iraq struggles for real independence and sovereignty. Former CIA agents have stated Prime Minister Allawi was responsible for fatal bombings of civilian targets in Iraq including a movie theater and a school bus during the 1990's.

President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Secretary Rumsfeld and finally Secretary Powell all stated with supreme arrogance that the democratically elected Jean-Bertrand Aristide, President of Haiti, “must go” in February 2004. Then a U.S. Air Force plane flew the kidnapped President of Haiti to isolation in the Central African Republic in March using force and false propaganda of corruption and drug dealing to justify the destruction of a democratically elected government. The U.S. then installed a neo-Duvalierist of its choice as head of State of Haiti. Both CARICOM – the Caribbean community of nations and the African Union denounced the Bush administration actions. Meanwhile, the U.S.-installed government in Haiti is powerless, the country is paralyzed and former military, paramilitary and Ton Ton Macoute elements control major areas in Haiti and systematically assault Aristide supporters who remain the majority.

Only Impeachment Now Can Prevent Further Lawlessness by the Bush Administration
And By Its Warning, Future Administrations

There will be more aggression before the November elections and more after, whatever the outcome, if the American people do not act now to impeach President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Secretary Powell, who has finally claimed he supported the war of aggression against Iraq and also who presented false information before the United Nations in its justification, Secretary Rumsfeld, and Attorney General Ashcroft, who has pervasively violated the Bill of Rights and appeased and condoned criminal acts by government, and other civil officers of the United States.

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This thread is really buzzing with emotion and electricity. These are amazing times to live in.

I like Congressman Henry Waxman very much, Sally. I would love to see him take a greater role at the Executive level of government.

Thank you, Ann, for your answer. I know many of you have been studying astrology & doing charts for years. I'm self taught in astrology and have used it and observed it in action for about 30 years but have never gotten beyond, probably, the advanced beginner level. What do you (any of you) advise for getting to the next level? I know there are numerous books and, possibly, good online courses. Early on, I started with the Rosecrucian correspondence courses but didn't get that far. If anyone knows of any good courses, please recommend them to me. I will also do an internet search.

Thank you.

Sharon

Shylurker,

I'm so sorry to hear you lost a petfriend.
Many years ago I had a six-foot long pet iguana named Cthulhu that used to curl up in my lap and ride around on my shoulder. He had oodles of personality, he was gorgeosity incarnate and he died in my arms. Even after all these years, I still work him into my art and I imagine his reptilian influence close to me. When we keep those that cross over bright in our minds, they never really leave us. This is, of course, conventional wisdom, but I know how much it hurts to lose a friend and I wanted to say so to you.
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Astroworlders,

Maybe I've found a mental path, and please everyone throw your $.03 in, but to me watching the news and connecting the dots (and especially, ESPECIALLY reading the comments, insight and perspective here) I'm pretty much convinced that the coup is well underway, or that it already happened in a sense. Bu$h and the cabal have too many enemies! They went from the offensive (well, they're always pretty offensive) to the defensive weeks ago. That shift, though it didn't happen with any fanfare, was extraordinarily significant.

Bu$h is the pustule on the neoconservative virus. They imagined they could take over the body politic but our immune system has kicked in and it works. I'm not saying "relax" but Bu$h's days *are* numbered. He's screwed things up so "royally" he isn't trusted to run anything, even his mouth.

Soooooooooooo the scary thing is that, presuming that Bu$h and his little "executive" powerplay are rightly dismantled, the question becomes who will be driving the truck in his stead? As the executive branch gets pulled apart and scrutinized, just who are we handing the country over to?

Seems to me that it is in the new bosses best interests to keep the population nice and sedate and consuming. After all, the United States is a business, and the new management is going to want to make sure their customers experience as little discomfort as possible during the transition. So the mechanics of the coup are out of our hands in a sense. As a species, we've got some karmic dues that we need to pay, but that's a whole 'nother subject.

I don't understand how people think that Kerry (IF it plays out in this way) will take the White House and then things will go back to "business as usual." There IS no business as usual anymore. I'd say that as a general rule people are actually MORE in tune to the political process now than they have ever been. Bu$h has inspired tons of people (for whatever reason) to get active and involved in the political system and it's only going to get more intense as time stretches on.

Is it plausible that if Kerry was in office people would stop paying attention and back off? I don't think so. Whoever ends up in the White House is going to have to factor in thousands, more than ever before, informed, interconnected and opinionated individuals just aching to exercise their right to be heard. "Activists" and others are frothing at the mouth for a more sensible, directly representational system of government. Is that going to go away with a regime change?

This community is not going away. We ARE the ocean. Whatever games they play, whatever scenarios they create will ultimately be washed over and shaped by US. There maybe a gulf between us and the government, but people are evolving, technology is evolving and everything is rapidly converging. Look to the horizon.

I recognize the madness of Bu$h for what it is. It is the last desperate grasp of greedy, despicable people to clench their fingers onto a failing government system/economic niche/perception about ourselves and our world.

Yes, Bu$h has caused death. Yes, he has delivered our republic a blow from which we will NEVER find our way back to what we were before. We only have two choices, in my opinion. We can scream and wail that our way of life is changing, or we can look at these changes as a blessing, jump the hurdle, remove the cancer and face the future with an open embrace. Sally is quite right, all we are doing, CAN do, now is assess the damage. Soon the time will come where we can repair the damage and begin the healing process.

That day will come and rightly soon. Hold the image in your minds. We have just begun.

I welcome the future.

Namaste~
~D

Re: BILL CLINTON

Either some people have a short memory of what was
done to Clinton, even before he took office, by
the Repugs, or they embrace the Repugs' on-going
"War on Clinton". They won't be able to get him
off the history books, though, much as they would like to. And let history judge him.........

For a refresher on what a real, elected and diplo-
matic president looks like and sounds like, tune in to the re-runs (on c-span) of today's ceremony in the White House.

If anybody thinks Clinton struts and acts like
the Leo he is, well why not? Look at what follow-
ed him. A Leo rising is a VERY poor imitation of
the REAL thing.

And, Pallas, I'm pretty sure Bill Clinton wrote
his own speech. Especially this one. No speech
writer could have done better.

No one questions this man's intelligence.
SIGH......

Magnificently stated, Dommael.

As you, I welcome the future. We will find our way forward to something better than we were before.

Corleonis, thank you but I think there is a misunderstanding.

My question is who wrote dimson's speech. He is not capable of originating such a decent commemoration of the Clinton's years in office.

Sharon,

the way to learn astrology is to make charts and
work them. If you have the three basics: meaning of the houses, meanings of the planets, meanings of the aspects, that's all there is.

The more you work with it the more you understand.

You go, Dommael!!!

(And thanks so much for acknowledging that beings other than humans are also most precious.)

As for Bush's speech today, I'll bet they're going apoplectic over at the freepers site. Tee-hee.

Pallas, you're correct, Dubya can't string four words together and make a clause, much less write a decent speech... don't you know Dubya was choking on those words!

Corleonis, how astute of you to grasp the contrast of a Leo rising to a Leo sun! You always see that which others don't...

Dommael, I love your images... and your vision... so glad some of your generation are concerned and knowledgeable about what is going on (or down, as we 'used to say'!)

It's 4+ months 'til November, and even tho' the mainstream press is beginning to pick up the threads of truth, their tapestry won't be woven overnight... this week promises to be interesting but will the 'swing voters' get the picture?

Sharon, you must be reading my thoughts! I so admire Rep Henry Waxman, a courageous man... I was thinking he would make a fine VP for Kerry, but we need him where he is right now... but this man is a rising star and we should very soon see him in the top group... nice to know others appreciate him...

If Bush/Cheney are indicted for Plame or impeached Rep Speaker of the House Hastert would be next... I don't know that that is an improvement, but he would be acting only as a caretaker... if it happened before Sep Rep Conv they would choose someone else of course for the ticket... McCain would be a guess...

But then again, who knows...

One thing I see for the scenario as we have it at the moment, Bush v. Kerry, is that while the media is beginning to address the problems in the administration, they are bashing Kerry.

"The Washington Post takes stock of John Kerry's candidacy and concludes that even though he has broken fundraising records, is leading President Bush in national polls, has united various factions of the Democratic Party to an extent few expected at this point in the race, and is doing better than Al Gore was in 2000 on several fronts -- he's in trouble.

The potential danger ahead for Kerry stems from "an ambivalence -- or angst -- about their presidential candidate that belies this strong
public standing," from "voters, officials and even members of Kerry's staff."

..."The chief reason: The senator from Massachusetts, they say, has not crisply articulated what a Kerry presidency would stand for beyond undoing much of the Bush agenda."

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Well, duh, wouldn't undoing much of the Bush agenda keep him pretty darn busy! Weve got some people so busy stirring the pot of discontent in the Demo camp, while they need to protect this country from the subversive actions of the Fascists in the administration!

December 2000 I said to my father, "America will rue the day George W. Bush became president. Problem is, I will have to 'rue' it with them... we are all in this together... even the Repugs will be affected (sorry folks, there won't be a Rapture... no rain check either)...

We need a major change in the political system... but we need someone in the White House to help keep the framework from falling all around us while we rebuild the house. Anarchy would be awful, don't you think? I mean think of these folks who want to move to South Carolina and secede (we been there, done that, ain't doing it again!)... are they bringing their guns? During the Revolution, some of my ancestors were Tories. They lost their land at a minimum... some were hanged... y'all get the picture, I'm sure... we need a peaceful revolution... guess I'm dreaming, huh?

Anyway, I've been wondering. Do we really in this day and time, actually need a President, an Executive? Something to chew on...

Namaste

Sharon,
In answer to your question about learning astrology... I started on myself... my chart... I worked on it, tying certain significant events in my life to transits and progressions... trying to get the picture through the heavens... then I reached out to members of my family... looking for aspects in their chart that would point up observations I made about them... it was a huge tool in helping to better understand my parents as beings, people in their own right, apart from their relation to me. I do genealogy and natal charts have been wonderful in giving me insight into personalities I never knew, who were dead before I was born. Just a thought... I still don't feel confident enough to 'read' a chart but sometimes I can put things together that match with my gut feeling... meanwhile, I find this site to be a most wonderful treasure... all sort of new things, I never would have known to look for... like fixed stars... happy hunting!

Namaste

Last post, I promise! (raining here, grandboys are watching a movie and I get to play on the computer!)

wholesale ripoff of an Atrios post:
Turnabout is fair play. Russo, Marsh, & Rogers is the PR firm to which the website http://www.rmrwest.com/index2.asp calling for people to prevent theaters from running Michael Moore's new movie, was registered until they modified the entry.
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Joe Wierzbicki: jwierzbicki@rmrwest.com

Kelley Afghari: kafghari@rmrwest.com

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Contact these "Domestic Enemies" and tell them what you think.

copied from dKos ---

So many great comments and articles everyone.
Just wanted to remind everyone to keep shining those lights of love and truth into all the dark recesses of Washington.
Also, in meditation yesterday I heard the clear voice - the good witch from Oz - saying to them all "Begone, you have no power here"

Thanks, Pallas & Jo. I guess it's a combination of reading, doing, and doing more. I guess most of the info is out there and even online.

The part of the basics I need more knowledge & practice in is the aspects. Things like sextiles, inconjuncts, quinicuixes (?) (sorry, it's something like that)... I'm now taking an online course for my real estate license and find it a great compromise between learning from a book (VERY DETAILED) and learing in class (SIMPLIFIED). I find learning astrology in books a little overwhelming as there's so much. As far as how aspects apply, from observing it in my own life, I agree with Robert Hand that it depends on whether you')ve been doing the right things (how evolved, mature you are). Trouble is, it's not always easy to tell how evolved another is.

Keep up the great work, Guys :

why am I not surprised that the "marketing" firm
trying to shut down Fahrenheit is based in Sacramento, California?

I gather they don;t believe in the first amendment and free speech. It would be good to find out who their customers are and e mail their
customers that they are anti-american, unpatriotic, and trying to destroy the Constitution of the US.

Pallas, I'm glad you clarified the misunderstand-
ing. I really couldn't believe you, of all people
would be asking who wrote Clinton's speech......
Well, as far as 'shrub' goes, the author could be
anybody, didn't a Canadian write his "Axis of Evil
Speech"? That's a way of keeping people from over
seas working, don't you think?......

Jo, thank you for the compliment. I have bitter
experience from Leo-rising people. How they love
to make the 'grand gestures', but when it comes to
really acting 'king-like', they fall dismally on
their fake faces.....Have you ever seen that
picture of Clinton when they brought back the
bodies of the "Cole" men? That's what a Leo is
like, he will "feel your pain" and deeply.......
It's the HEART, you know.....

Dommael: thank you for your comments. That's what
my one daughter keeps telling me: "We'll manage,
we'll be alright.....didn't you survive Hitler
and Mussolini?......" I guess I needed to hear it
from another source. But, like Jo, I do so des-
perately want to leave the younger generations a
far better world than I had....Leo "Noblesse Oblige", I guess. By the way Jo, have you any pla
nets in Leo? Oh, yes, Pluto for one. I bet it's
right on my Sun......

One small prediction: Whichever way it goes in
November, there are enough PATRIOTS out there that
things will turn out well in the end. We also have
the support (for change) of the WHOLE world, make
no mistake about that.......

As for REAL change, wait until Pluto goes into
Capricorn. That long transit will do it. I may
not be around for much of that, but you can bet
I'll be, somehow, helping things along, no matter
where I may land.....

Pallas18 and Janet you are obviosly missing my point.
The Democratic party is too afraid to say that it stands for the the working man and woman in this country, but it seems as if they are too dumb to realize that.
The Democrats are afraid to embrace Blacks ( ironically they have no problem embracing Hispanics) publically fearing that whites won't vote Democratic. I say screw them. If they are too stupid and too racist to understand that we are in this together then let Bush have another four years in office and we'll see who cries hardest.

Remember when Dean, however clumsily, asked the stupid rednecks why they vote against their own best interest? Remember Edwards' response that Southerners didn't need some Northerner to come and tell them what to think?

That's the problem with the Democrats- we consume our own while our enemy looks on and laughs.

Look at who we have as our Presidential nominee.
Ok he's a heck of a lot better than Shrub, but why can't he get a freaking backbone?
Why can't he be more passionate and tell it like it is like Dean did?

I keep hearing that he is constantly relaunching his campaign or modifying his position like saying he would be open to appointing pro-life judges on lower courts----------as if there will be any vancancies after Bush has had three and half years to pack the courts with his right-wing wackos with barely a whimper if anything from spineless Democrats.
He can't keep his story straight. But of course the Democrats voted for the safe choice someone who they think can win the centrists voters if they exist.

The main problem with the Democrats is that they have been brainwashed by the Right and are cowering in fear of losing in November. It seems
they have forgotten that Gore had over 500K more votes than Bush but he didn't fight hard enough and that's the main difference between Republicans and Democrats!!!!!!!!!!

WASHINGTON (AFP) - A US prison guard who was photographed holding a naked Iraqi detainee by a leash at Abu Ghraib prison faces a hearing June 22 to determine whether she should be tried by a court-martial, the Pentagon (news - web sites) said.

Private First Class Lynndie England is one of seven military police at the prison charged in a notorious abuse scandal in which guards photographed Iraqi prisoners as they were being physically mistreated and sexually humiliated.

England was charged with conspiring to mistreat a prisoner by posing in the photograph holding a leash fastened to the neck of the Iraqi.

She also faces three counts of assaulting detainees, nine counts of conduct prejudicial to good order and conduct for taking pictures or posing in pictures with Iraqi detainees as well as one count of "indecent acts" with numerous soldiers and detainees.

Her Article 32 hearing, the military equivalent to a grand jury, was scheduled for June 22 at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, where she had been assigned to the headquarters of the 16th Military Police Brigade, the army said.

It will be open to the media, the army said.

"During the hearing, the investigating officer will receive evidence regarding the alleged abuses of Iraqi detainees in the Abu Ghraib prison," it said.

Under the US military justice system, no charge may be referred to a general court-martial for trial without an investigation of the evidence.

England has the right to be present, to cross-examine witnesses and to bring witnesses to testify in her behalf. She may testify in her own behalf, but is not required to.

Gosh Patrick, I totally agree with you!!! Jo: I read your comments to me and, as usual, found them very thought provoking. Thanks for responding. The "100 percent liberal" platform that I want Kerry to take is exactly similar to what Patrick is describing above. All the "back and forth" shows tremendous inconsistency, right when the Democratic Party needs all the consistency it can get. He claims to be a Democrat, but acts and speaks like he could switch parties very easily. If he continues in this manner, I think it will adversely affect his integrity and credibility with liberal voters, perhaps to the point that they stay home.

Patrick,

Rage on, angry young man! It's okay to be angry. But what are 'you' doing about it? Are you working at the local level, sending emails to Kerry or Congress? I don't ask to be smart-mouth, but to truly ask if you are involved. The definition of 'politics' is to seek resolution through negotiation --- you see Kerry as being flip-flop (you didn't use those words, but it was the message I got)... you don't like his 'changing' --- but I find it refreshing... he's listening to others... trying to accommodate. This election is CRITICAL... (if we have one)... the Demo candidate has to reach out to every side... cut him some slack, please. As for the party, of course it needs change... but leaders don't do that... we the people do... I for one think multiple parties would be great... then candidates would actually have to work for a vote... as for Demos not embracing Blacks... that's not my perception, but I'm white. They have in the past embraced Blacks, and that is precisely the reason the party lost so many white males in the 70s... the bigots fled to the Repubs, particularly in the South. Not much of a loss in my opinion, as who needs bigots, right? Anyway, IMHO our only hope of getting the Neocons out of the White House and the government is Kerry. That is my take at the moment. So I find it nonproductive to bash the Demos or Kerry. Do I think they're perfect? Heck no, not even okay. But considering the alternative, they are WONDERFUL. Many of us on this board seem to find ourselves addressing this issue on almost a weekly basis... it comes in waves... usually about the time it looks like we've got BushCo. in a net... I hear your frustration, but I really can't persuade you or change your POV. It is not a perfect world, in fact our part of it is pretty screwed up right now... but as Corleonis said what we need now are Patriots (and I don't mean Ashcroft's definition of one)... just a suggestion... go to crisispapers.org and click on Library and read the Bill of Rights and Constitution and see how much is gone as a result of the Fascists in this administration. Then see how you feel about the Demos. Having Kerry in the White House will give us back our country... it will be a mess, but hey, people watch too much TV anyway... they can start cleaning up the system. Our children and grandchildren are counting on us. Saturn is helping... retribution is coming.

Namaste

Patrick,

With all due respect, I believe you're not as informed about Kerry's speeches as you think you might be. He's made his positions very clear and doesn't waver dramatically from them. Like any intelligent person, as more info comes to him, he'll amend what he might do. But what you're talking about sounds like the "flip-flopper" the Republicans would like you to believe he is. Are you ready to be used as political fodder for the Repugs hate machine? And backbone? I think anyone who can run for President and weather the inevitable (and often misinformed if not downright dishonest) storms of a "liberal" media has to have some backbone, don't you think?

A political campaign isn't one where you have freedom to say anything you wish. Someone who did that would last all of 5 minutes. Should it be different? Of course. Will it be this Election cycle? No. The goal, I'm confident in saying, is wrestling the Oval Office out of the slimy hands of the Neo-Cons. I think that we can all agree on. Or kiss the possibility of returning to any semblance of what we knew as America goodbye.

You seem pretty opposed to Kerry and I believe that's coloring your view of him. And if you want another 4 years of Bush, feel free to vote for Bush. But slamming the Clintons or slamming the "Democratic Party" is, in effect, slamming the people who work hard every day, day after day for many years, to try and build a government that those who are angy or frustrated like you could hopefully believe in. My suspicions now, of course, are that even then you wouldn't be satisfied. And that's okay. It's all part of the journey we've each undertaken this life, you know?

Peace.

Jonathan

This is from a hard-hitting article that contains words and thoughts that might make you wince, but it does address the harsh socio-economic class structure we have that contributes to horrors such as Abu Ghraib:

A quote:

"Lynndie England never had a chance. Abu Ghraib, or maybe something even worse (an RPG up the shorts, for instance) was always her destiny. Nearly half of the 800 Americans killed in Iraq to date came from small towns like hers, like mine. Forty-six percent of the American dead in Iraq came from towns of less than 40,000. Yet these towns make up only 25% of our population. Most of the young soldiers were fleeing economically depressed places, or dead end jobs like Lynndie had at the chicken processing plant. These so-called volunteers are part of this nation's de facto draft---economic conscription. Money is always the best whip to use on the laboring clasess. Thirteen hundred a month, a signing bonus and free room and board sure beats the hell out of yanking guts through a chicken's ass."

The entire article is at:

http://www.counterpunch.org/bageant06132004.html

I solemnly swear I am up to no good.

I bought a movie through Buzzflash called "Orwell rolls in his Grave." Highly recommended ~ who needs horror movies?!? This stuff will scare the bejeezus out of you. There are a few points to consider, some of them from the movie, some of them my own POV.

The biggest, most powerful lobby in the government IS THE MEDIA.

The perception that is constantly rammed into our heads is that the media answer to the government.

"Gosh, well, we've got one reporter covering the Democrats and one covering the Republicans and, well, you know, it's just all too complicated for us to really report in a way the public will grasp."

Does that really make sense?

The mainstream media never cover the Internet. NEVER. We are "the fringe." Isn't that remarkable? How truthful IS that, anyway?

Don't you think all indications point that our government probably answers to the media instead of the other way around?!? When the system is threatened, which entity stands to lose the most?

This Kerry~rage stems from a feeling of powerlessness. A very well-crafted feeling, I might add. It's no accident that people get upset on a cyclical basis. The whole focal point is elaborately crafted through thousands of different methods and billions of dollars to deliver this message straight into your cerebral cortex. "I don't make a difference."

Do you know what the Internet is? It's that map from Harry Potter that shows everyone's location in Hogwarts in real time! All that has to happen is for everyone to speak with one voice. That has to happen ONCE. The government and the lying media are desperately clinging to an ILLUSION. Every single person should email all of those contacts trying to stop F 9-11. I'll do it, you'd better believe it.

Don't you get it? What do you really think is going to happen when the President realizes that six billion people are watching his every footstep and know exactly where he is heading and where he's coming from?

When it happens, Bu$h, Kerry, whoever, is going to suddenly feel like the Universe just opened up a great unblinking eye that is gazing straight into his mind and knows EVERYTHING.

Who's got the power?

Mischief managed.
~D

I solemnly swear I am up to no good.

I bought a movie through Buzzflash called "Orwell rolls in his Grave." Highly recommended ~ who needs horror movies?!? This stuff will scare the bejeezus out of you. There are a few points to consider, some of them from the movie, some of them my own POV.

The biggest, most powerful lobby in the government IS THE MEDIA.

The perception that is constantly rammed into our heads is that the media answer to the government.

"Gosh, well, we've got one reporter covering the Democrats and one covering the Republicans and, well, you know, it's just all too complicated for us to really report in a way the public will grasp."

Does that really make sense?

The mainstream media never cover the Internet. NEVER. We are "the fringe." Isn't that remarkable? How truthful IS that, anyway? Does it make sense that the growing number of people that are motivated to WATCH the political players and scenarios and (occasionally) act upon that knowledge are the "fringe"?!? Will we always be the fringe? Who decides these things, anyway?

Don't you think all indications point that our government probably answers to the media instead of the other way around?!? When the system is threatened, which entity stands to lose the most?

This Kerry~rage stems from a feeling of powerlessness. A very well-crafted feeling, I might add. It's no accident that everyone gets upset on a cyclical basis. The whole focal point is elaborately crafted through thousands of different methods and billions of dollars to deliver this message straight into your cerebral cortex. "I don't make a difference."

Do you know what the Internet is? It's that map from Harry Potter that shows everyone's location in Hogwarts in real time! All that has to happen is for everyone to speak with one voice. That has to happen ONCE. The government and the lying media are desperately clinging to an ILLUSION. Every single person should email all of those contacts trying to stop F 9-11. I'll do it, you'd better believe it. They're going to think the Founding Fathers and the aliens are reading their minds by the time I'm done with them.

Don't you get it? What do you really think is going to happen when the President realizes that six billion people are watching his every footstep and know exactly where he is heading and where he's coming from?

When it happens, Bu$h, Kerry, whoever, is going to suddenly feel like the Universe just opened up a great unblinking eye that is gazing straight into his mind and knows EVERYTHING.

Who's got the power?

Mischief managed.
~D

Oops! Sorry about the double post~ powered by moveable type indeed!
~D

Nah, Dommael,
It was the 'mischief managed' !!

I saw a couple inquiries here recently questioning DeLay's affairs. His "ethics" are under investigation again. http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/topstory/2625608 from Democrats.net 6-14-04

great points, Dommael.I decided awhile back not to enter into any more purely political discussions on here, mostly because opinions are subjective, usually based on feelings connected to our upbringings and experiences, and they call up all kinds of powerful emotions. I think it wonderful that we all here have a connection to spirit and wish to express our passions in a safe, supportive environment. With that said, I would like to respectfully ask you Jonathon, to please stop dissing others for their misgivings involving Kerry's intentions and motivations. I feel this very deeply myself, and when others voice it, I would rather discuss the aspects of why, than to immediately be reprimanded for thinking this way. The Roxanne "thing" still bothers me because I think she felt safe enough here to voice her concerns, and even though we all felt hurt that she attacked Sally, I understood where she was coming from on her opinions about Kerry, and I think there are many people who have these feelings that shouldn't be summarily dismissed, but examined. I think our personalities and objectivities are enhanced by dealing with perspectives we don't agree with, and that it is beneficial to everyone involved to be allowed their voice. Sorry if this sounds kind of disjointed but I really wanted to say something about this and if I edit, I might not even post it? Thanks.

Pallas18, you rock! re: the 6:03 message.

The DC area just got a ‘tornado warning’ and the Mikado is playing on the classical station (you can’t script this stuff any better than reality at this point).

In the spirit of looking at the USA Sagittarius Rising chart (good point Sally), IMHO, the house placement of Jupiter is interesting and offers some hope.

Jupiter, 9th 11 Virgo, square ASC; sextile SUN

Jupiter in the 9th: enters-10/02/04 leaves10/2/04 Good house for Jupiter

From Hand, p. 272, Planets in Transit, []’s are my comments:

“As you are exposed to a broader world, your views on life will change [boy have we been exposed, in every way]. This transit is a very powerful maturing influence in the most positive sense [mature or follow the path of the Dodo bird]; in other words, you become wiser now than at any other time in your life [hope for growth from our harsh teacher]. But you have to be fundamentally open to this process…there is the likelihood that you will become increasingly involved with foreign persons or lands [Iraq and everyone who dislikes us] either in your business or your personal life...The effect of this transit is to make your consciousness grow so much that you can no longer live with your old prejudices and beliefs. You must know rather than just believe, and the more you can replace belief with knowledge, the better off you will be [we are driven by necessity].”

I realize that mundane astrology is different than personal astrology. We are, after all, a nation that has given the legal status of ‘person’ to corporate entities in our legal system. How is that for boot-strapping? In any event, the 9th Jupiter transit looks like it came along just in time. We get a close look at our shadow as does the world. We get to learn what bozo’s we are, and we get to fix things before Jupiter enters our 10th, a momentous moment.

N.B. I just noticed that my Sun, Leo 5/16 (2nd house) is w/in a degree of the USA chart. Vox populi, vox dei!!!

Peg,

I apologize if you consider what I wrote to Patrick "dissing". Please take a moment to re-read what I wrote to him, and I believe you'll find I acted with respect, patience, an understanding of his anger and frustration, and the knowledge that people will choose what they will choose for reasons that others may never understand or agree with. And that's what's wonderful about life! But (and I've just read what I wrote to Patrick) I don't see that I dissed him or anyone who may perhaps disagree with me. But, again, I apologize if you were in some way made uncomfortable by my previous post.

On the other hand, Peg, it's mind boggling that you can in one sentence extol the virtues of having a safe and secure environment and then, in the next breath, ask me to please edit myself.

I made no mean-spirited personal attack, I didn't insist others vote like me ALL IN CAPS and I wrote with the understanding that there might be some disagreement, but, perhaps because of this, we could learn something from each other. Isn't that what you made mention of at the end of your Post? We all want the same thing and, as long as we don't personally attack one another (and I'm not suggesting I feel attacked by you or anyone else at all!) and treat everyone's choices and political leanings with respect, I believe we can still have the "safe and secure environment" you spoke of.

Jonathan

And, wouldn't you know it, by pure chance and Fate I was once again the 300th Poster! I should get a prize or something, shouldn't I? I'm still waiting for the bells and whistles to go off. :-)

Jonathan

"can't we all just learn to get along."
rodney king

how about some astrology...

Patrick, I understand your rage against the democrats. I've shared some of it. In the beginning I would have preferred another candidate but, since Al Gore is not running, I'll stick with Kerry and hope that his cabinet will reflect all of the good guys we've seen in this political season including Dr. Dean.

We need people like you who have anger (passion?). This country would never have been born without the anger of Samuel Adams, Patrick Henry and the rest. You make us think. And we're better people for it.

Jonathan, your post was fine. I enjoy reading what you write as I do everyone else here.

KC is being hit by another line of severe storms and I'm sitting next to a window (not too bright)letting my Pisces asc soak up the energy. I get such an adrenalin rush from a thunderstorm. No 70+ mph winds this time.

Jonathan:

Congratulations! ! !Maybe someone or something is
trying to tell you something: PLAY THAT NUMBER.
And I am not kidding.......

Great post, by the way, as usual......

In MHO, There definitely IS a sort of resentment
against Kerry. For me, it was the way he sudden-
ly emerged as NUMERO UNO, out of the rear. The
whole thing was engineered by the "Powers-that-be"
In short, he was 'pushed onto us'.

Furthermore, I deeply dspise what he did to Dr.
Dean. His connection to disgraced ex-senator from
New Jersey, Torricelli, STINKS and that's putting
it mildly.

But, like numberless others on other sites, I will
vote for him, while holding my nose.....

ABB......

kerry emerged 'numero uno' because more people voted for him. there isn't someone fixing individual votes in primaries (we don't need to fix presidential elections, they're disregarded anyway). dean lost, thats L O S T. MoveOn

TERESA:

Glad to know I am not the only "nut" who gets a

"charge" from a storm....

I love storms as well. When I was a child (a weird one, at that) I used to put on a cape, stand on a huge stump in our backyard and try to summon storms on clear, sunny days. Needless to say, my Dad hoisted me over his shoulder and trotted me back indoors on more than one occasion. It's just too bad that we don't get more rockin', rollin' thunder storms here in NYC. But perhaps I'm in the minority with that thought. :-)

Jonathan

Nuremburg revised...

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/printer_061504A.shtml

That's one of the few things I miss about Texas ~ thunderstorms that leave an impression on you.

Since everyone is weighing in on Kerry, I'll just say that I was one of his more vocal proponents, especially after the primaries were over.

I am, however, still assessing my judgement of him.

The Moveable Type is having fun with me today, and through some sort of transdimensional glitch some of you may have received a short, personal email conversation between my girlfriend and myself. I point out this amusing oddity as a warning that by reading it you will be able to discern clearly, and without any possible misinterpretation, that I am indeed a freak in real life.

Namaste~
~D

wv,excellent article. how awkward for the USA. in 1945 our leaders had a moment of true enlightenment and realized that there had to be trials. now in 2004, we have a government that is so unenlightened, it qualifies to stand before the bar of international justice and face trial. it's that old 'shadow' thing emerging again. who knows? the shadow knows!

when the whole story is told, i think we're going to uncover some extremely sick people who took their DBSM experience *beyond* consenting adults to 'evil doers.' i wonder if the prisoners in iraq has a 'safe word'?

dommael, sorry i missed the emails (lol). i too just saw 'orwell rolls in his grave.' you can get it at buzzflash.com. its intellectual power equals the symbolic power of wv's truthout web citation.

things are improving. hitler conquered europe and 1/2 of russia and it took 13-14 years to get rid of him. bush conquered (through surrogates) two middle eastern states and it's going to take just a few more months to get rid of him!!!

Kerry was not my first choice, but the more I learn about him the more I like him, within the "givens" of anyone that has to do a certain amount of political manoevering to stay in that high stakes game.
That said, I think Teresa is his biggest asset. I've heard her speak a couple of times on Cspan now and am absolutely enamoured and in awe of her. As much as it should not be so, First Lady image does count in the eye of the voter. And at this stage I believe we have only 2 choices. (I think Nader has never married.) Teresa brings such a wealth of experience, a trail of notable deeds, and has so much more on the ball than Laura, it is a no-brainer decision for the health and wellbeing of the world.

idol worshipers beware! nader co-locates & uses a charity as hq for his presidential campaign (say it ain't so champ!)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37363-2004Jun12.html

i can verify that there is such a charity, such a building, and, by his own admission, nader is co-located in said building and with said charity. the washington post is a lousy newspaper but just glean the facts.

isn't that wonderful. nader uses a charity and that's released (its been around for months) duirng the same time period that bush tries to use the vatican to do his campaigning. for ralphie boy, it's all about the benjamins!!!

screw leaders! lets elect someone functional and then bug the #*$@ out of him/her.

i've got it!

NADER IS LIKE J.J.PEACHUM IN BRECHT'S
"THREE PENNY OPERA"

this is too perfect. one must follow the rules of the beggars union in order to beg. ralph made the mistake of thinking he ran the union. i guess mackie is back in town.

no more f$#%ing leaders! these people work for us! oh, i'm inspired. i'm goint to put on my anacrhy tee shirt and yell at the tv.

It's a matter of Trust, and Blair is lacking..

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4947499-103682,00.html

Moreover..................
I saw his daughter Vanessa, and Theresa's son ( ?) stumping for him in NH on C-span.
Both of them are extremely bright, convincing, socially concious people. Vanessa took a leave of absence from Medical school, to campaign for her Dad. She grew up with her Mother in Colorado, didn't HAVE to be there by Dad's side! His step son is a business school grad. and also, doesn't HAVE to have anything to do with his stepfather, if he chooses not to. ( His Father was a Republican Senator!)
Contrast this with the Bush twins high profile, law breaking when "dear old Dad moved to the WH!
Or think about Chelsea Clinton, proudly walking down PA. Ave with her Dad in his 2nd. inauguration. Or closing ranks and publically supporting him once she recovered from the shock of his "SIN"!
These are important clues to a man's character!
For that matter............think about Howard Dean's son, getting involved in that liquor theft, break-in of the Burlington Country Club.. Dean had to fly home from across the country, and deal with that situation, the night before he appeared on the Tim Russert Show. He was definitly, showing the strain that Sun. AM
I'm still a Dean supporter. You can't judge a man by his family completely......but it does provide some clues!
PQOP

Good News! I REALLY don't like this guy and I hope they get him out!

DeLay to Be Subject of Ethics Complaint

Rep. Chris Bell Will Accuse House Majority Leader of Multiple Violations
By Charles Babington
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, June 15, 2004; 8:25 PM

A Democratic congressman plans to file a wide-ranging ethics complaint today against House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.), shattering the remnants of a seven-year-old, unwritten ethics truce between the two parties and possibly nudging the House back toward a brand of political warfare that helped topple two speakers.

The 18-page document has three components.

Westar: Officers of Kansas-based Westar Energy wrote memos in 2002 citing their belief that $56,500 in campaign contributions to political committees associated with DeLay and other Republicans would get them "a seat at the table" where key legislation was being drafted. Bell's complaint says DeLay "illegally solicited and accepted political contributions in return for official action," but DeLay has said he did no such thing.

TRMPAC: Bell repeats earlier claims that the Texans for a Republican Majority Political Action Committee, created by DeLay, laundered $190,000 in corporate donations through the Republican National Committee, which sent $190,000 to Texas GOP candidates. State law bars such candidates from using corporate donations. DeLay and other Republicans deny the charges.

Federal Aviation Administration: Bell's complaint says DeLay "improperly used his office" when it asked the FAA to help locate a private plane last year. The plane was thought to be carrying Texas Democratic legislators who were preventing a quorum that Republicans needed in Austin to pass their contentious redistricting plan. DeLay has denied any wrongdoing.

More:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41568-2004Jun14.html

Shylurker,
Thanks for the Yaaaaaaah!
It was needed! I'm trying to think positive ........................The day of the Venus eclipse, this wagon hit the end of the paved road and it's been rolling over a corderoy road ever since.
I can sympathize with your loss of a beloved pet. Today especially I was missing my sweet Dulsie Chocolate point Siamese cat, who died 2 years ago. She was my little Diana the Huntress with her Libra sun & Sag moon. Even in her last week of life weakened by a tumor she caught 2 mice, as if to prove she still had it in her.
Today, the baby triplet red squirrels, born and nurtured between my walls................have been abandoned by their, slut of a Mother, who has gone into the woods to play; branched out and discovered the cat's food and water dishes in the kitchen. One of them is REALLY BRAZEN, sitting in the middle of my kitchen, munching on the dry food looking up at me! I escorted him out the open door, waving a broom threateningly, but he found a hole in the foundation and came back in. OK so I know they're not lost in the walls unable to find the outside world! The other cat..........that lazy good for nothing 12 year old Bilbo Baggins, looked up at me and said " He's eatin my food Ma do something" and exited the room rather hastily! Bilbo Baggins because of the tufts of hair between his toes and out his ears being a part blue point siamese, and part Maine coon cat. He's a Taurus, Cap moon but with a mars in Pices ( tending to be ineffectual )
Now I have Moon in 23o Scorpio in the 6th house ruling among other things small animals. Neptune Retro in 15o Aquarius in my 9th house, is applying to a square, to my moon. The 9th house ruling Government, the squirrels are seriuosly interferring with my efforts to be the Democratic Chair of my Town and rally participants for the County meeting Sunday, so we can vote out the "good ole boys" who are running the show badly!
( It's 10:44 PM and they're romping across the ceiling over head as I write!!!!!!! Squirrels / not the ole boys!)
Since Nept is retrograding, the squirrels will be mature & join their Mother in ther woods, before the square is exact , @ 23o Aquarius and before they chew the electrical wires.
Non the less I'm going to try steel wool, and moth balls in the holes tomorrow!
That was for you Sharon Katz, just apply what you are learning to the little everyday occurances, as you are reading about it.
No I don't profess to approach the expertise of the astrologers on this board, nor will I, ever but it kind of helps you keep your sanity on some days!
Thanx for the belly laugh over Jabba the Hut, D
PQOP

I'm glad you love animals, Pat. My home is across the street from a small neigborhood park and lots of cats and dogs are dumped there. I usually take them to the local shelter but there have been a few I just didn't have the heart to take there so they are currently enjoying the good life. I have Uranus in Leo in the 6th so that probably explains why all but two of our pets were rescues. Three dogs, all saved from the shelter, and 5 cats. If I could have a horse, I'd have one. They all come to me for protection in thunderstorms. I love em all.

More Aquarian mal-doings. Did you know that we are back to a phone monopoly? Verizon now has a clear field at communications. The DSL company in Maine is closing down! My friends daughter's boyfriend is losing his job!
I called Snow & Collins offices today........to protest, discovered it was a Federal initiative.......... Done Deal! Will my infinate Verizon phone bill now go up? ( anytime anywhere for $70 per month!)
Can;t open my hotmail.................... communication failure????????????
Demopcratic chair job getting harder & harder......................
PQOP:

Thank you, Pat. That was a GREAT example. I loved your description and Bilbo Baggins is a great name for a cat.

I also love little animals (big ones too: Sun + Jup in 9th house Pisces, not conj.), and have 2 sitting next to me right now, a young, lively Jack Russell terrior mix - Try Hard! - and a middle-aged tabby named Chronos. They are the best companions I could ever want and are SO cute when they playfully fight with each other. Try Hard belongs to my step-son & we have her for the summer only. She takes a shower with my husband after that run in the park together...she is so small!

Skylurker, I am deeply sorry for your loss. I know how it feels as I have had beloved pets die. If you ever feel like it, tell us about your pet and how special it was.

http://tinyurl.com/2bgwu

Bush and Kerry's dueling visions

On conjecture that Reagan's death is fulfillment of Tecumseh's curse - astrologer's have thought
that because the Grand Conjunction occured in air signs instead of earth signs that the curse would be over in air signs and that's why Reagan survived.

An astrologer by the name of John Milton Taber
says otherwise.

"Ronald Reagan was wounded more severely than either Garfield or McKinley on March 30, 1981. Astrologers attribute his survival to Ju-Sa moving to Libra, but Ju-Sa falling near Reagan´s MC on March 4, 1981, and being opposed by the Sun, Mars, and Venus when he was shot, also shows Ju-Sa was involved. Since Reagan did not die in office, however, has the Curse now ended for all time? Common sense says future presidents could still be shot under an air sign Ju-Sa, and while astrologers may wish to consider Neptune´s role, the risk posed by the Curse hasn´t yet ended. This more somber scenario is reinforced by the POSSIBILITY that Reagan´s shooting and subsequent operations may have contributed to the onset of Alzheimers, a form of "death in life."

" Some of us are trying to analyze these questions astrologically, and I don´t consider it a mere coincidence that

Mars at 18*38´Cancer when Reagan died opposed Tecumseh´s natal Mars at 18*38´Capricorn. "

wooffff. Talk about reaching from the grave.

This is a very interesting chart. The final decision making Bush the President by the Supreme Court was announced at 10 PM EST. December 12, 2000.

Ann

This is also interesting.

http://www.hogueprophecy.com/archiv37.htm

oedipus redux: big bush daddy doesn't like baby bush's war (bo ho)

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4685.shtml

We won one!! We won one!! (Of course, it never should have been in dispute anyway):

http://www.salon.com/tech/wire/2004/06/14/voting_machines/index.html

good find Mike. That's been obvious for some time, but nice to have the details filled in that
daddy still has better contacts in the agency than junior. I think I wrote a while back that I had the feeling daddy had warned junior not to
embarrass these people but junior wouldn't listen, thinking his name, or rather his Daddy's name would protect him from consequences. I wouldn't take bets on it though.

With the talk of Pluto in Sag earlier, I looked up the time frames of earlier Sag Plutos. For what it's worth, among other events in the 1749-1762 time frame, Haley's Comet was discovered in 1958 - close to where Pluto is now. Quite a lot of other interesting things happened, including the Seven Years & French Indian wars, as well as sugar cane being introduced to Sth Carolina by Catholic missionaries, and Ben Franklin flying his kite and other inventions.
Pluto was at Sag20 also in 1512 & 1265
1512: Michelangelo finished the Sistine Chapel; Spain legalized the american slave trade; Shiism became the state religion of Persia. Henry 8th was on the English throne.
1265: England's first parliament was formed. De Mantford pushed for this and became known by the title "father of parliament."

Anne,

you said:
"This is a very interesting chart. The final decision making Bush the President by the Supreme Court was announced at 10 PM EST. December 12, 2000. "

Okay. What do you think it says?

I think these parts of this chart are very interesting.

The absence of major aspects....the strongest being the Mercury/Pluto conjuction. A strong indication of communication by secret ruling second of values and fourth of parents (father?) and endings(angular).

The Moon close to a conjunction of Mr. Bush's natal Sun. A new beginning...in this case much hoped for (11th house) and at home in Cancer.

Saturn, Mars and the Sun make a loose yod that represents a big gamble (fifth house) and interntional arena (9th house).

The Venus (ruler of the 3rd of communication generally) is conjunt Neptune ruler of the 8th of shared values and placed in the sixth house speak to the religious aspects of Mr. Bush's tenure especially in trine to Jupiter in the 10th of public image. He has looked upon integrating his personal religion into his job (6th) as President.

However, the sextile of Uranus and Mars to the Sun (ruler of the first in this chart and Mr. Bush natally) would indicated a secondary theme of sudden international events (Mars rules the 9th) and probably culminating in a bad outcome as Mars is poorly place in Libra (sign of the law, incidently which may be Mr. Bush's "fall"). Saturn here is powerful as she is in Earth and at the mid-heaven (a natural location for her). Sun is equally strong by sign and placement (though she is in the house of Cancer and Fire and Water frequently create steam). Since Saturn is the "shot" in this yod (sling") and is the co ruller of the 7th, it would appear that the outcome of the yod when it is triggered on one of the points will be 7th house issues of relationships and probably, in this case, open enemies.

So the thing to watch for in the outcomes of this chart would be whatever ticks off the yod, IMHO. Marsh is right there and Saturn is approaching a square to Mars in this chart.

Earlier in this thread Sharon asked about studying astrology and I think this is the best kind of chart for study as it gives the astrological information in relation to events that are well know and easily identified. By looking back and analyzing a chart it is easier to hone skills than trying to project into the future.

What do you think?

Ann

Greg Palast is at is again 'While Reagan
Napped" worth a read....

http://www.gregpalast.com/printerfriendly.cfm?artid=340

The Spoils of War
http://marketplace.publicradio.org/features/iraq/index.html

War May Require More Money Soon
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28903-2004Apr20.html

Nightline: Project Iraq
http://www.fas.org/sgp/temp/natsios042303.html

War spending 'has made country more vulnerable'
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=531338

I think I first saw this in Salon a year or more ago:
"If George Bush [Jr] decided he was going to turn the troops loose on Syria and Iran after that he would last in office for about 15 minutes.In fact if President Bush were to try that now even I would think that he ought to be impeached. You can't get away with that sort of thing in this democracy."
Lawrence Eagleburger, US Secretary of State under George Bush Sr
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0414-01.htm
I felt at the time it was Daddy Bush reining the moron in by having a spokesman of his take a BBC interview and speak frankly.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/15/opinion/15KRUG.html

Travesty of Justice

?o question: John Ashcroft is the worst attorney general in history.

For this column, let's just focus on Mr. Ashcroft's role in the fight against terror. Before 9/11 he was aggressively uninterested in the terrorist threat. He didn't even mention counterterrorism in a May 2001 memo outlining strategic priorities for the Justice Department. When the 9/11 commission asked him why, he responded by blaming the Clinton administration, with a personal attack on one of the commission members thrown in for good measure.

We can't tell directly whether Mr. Ashcroft's post-9/11 policies are protecting the United States from terrorist attacks. But a number of pieces of evidence suggest otherwise.

First, there's the absence of any major successful prosecutions. The one set of convictions that seemed fairly significant — that of the "Detroit 3" — appears to be collapsing over accusations of prosecutorial misconduct. (The lead prosecutor has filed a whistle-blower suit against Mr. Ashcroft, accusing him of botching the case. The Justice Department, in turn, has opened investigations against the prosecutor. Payback? I report; you decide.)

More...

The 'dogs' are coming home to roost...and
never scorn a woman....they can bite...

http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040615.wkarp0615_2/BNStory/International/

Oliver North
October 7, 1943, San Antonio, Texas

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB113/

The Oliver North File:
His Diaries, E-Mail, and Memos on
the Kerry Report, Contras and Drugs

National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 113

Ollie -- He's Baaack!

On January 12, 2004, United Placements ran an advertisement for Army Interrogators. "Job State: IRAQ, Job Number: 8. Interrogators: 30 Positions. Compensation to $120,000. Individuals must be trained Interrogators with at least five years of experience in interrogation. Individuals must be knowledgeable of Army/Joint interrogation procedures, data processing systems such as CHIMs and SIPRNET search engines. Knowledge of the Arabic language and culture a plus...Candidates must have documented in their resumes five years of Humint collection and/or interrogation experience. This is a requirement of the client. Some locations require individuals to work and live in a field environment with minimum medical facilities. Must possess the ability to work extended work hours in difficult surroundings for up to one year."

United Placements' lists none other than Oliver North--a member of Ronald Reagan's NSC and focal point of the Iran-Contra scandal in the 1980's--as one of its two "Industry Associates." North is currently the host of Fox News Channel's "War Stories." United Placement's second "Industry Associate" is Intelligencecareers.com run by former intelligence analyst Bill Goldman.

While TortureGate festers, it is noteworthy that as late as May 7, 2004 the same posting for interrogators was listed through Design Staffing LLC. Evidently, a new batch of interrogators is needed to replace those now under criminal investigation. "Job Nr 85832--Conduct interrogations. Conduct pre-brief and debrief preparation which includes researching, compiling, and preparing supporting material; prepare all-source target overview/summaries to include cultural, religious, and sociological factors; and identify information required for immediate processing and dissemination including support to ongoing and planned operations and force protection. This listing opened 07-May-04 and is valid for 90 days." The listing goes on to say that the openings will be available "until filled." It was listed under the categories "Analyst (Intelligence) & Knowledge Specialists.

http://www.counterpunch.org/

I'm not over it, and neither is Al.

http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=39180

Gore tells NH Democrats Bush changed meaning of America

snip...

“Now in so many places in the world so many people holding out the American flag of freedom will be met with catcalls and cynicism,” Gore said.

Gore also said the war has led to a “backdoor draft” with people in the service “being ordered to stay in the military even though they don’t want to.” He said the Bush administration overruled its own military estimates in invading Iraq without enough forces.

The speech was in direct contrast to Gore’s opening remarks, which saw light humor, as the former vice president poked fun at getting used to being just a citizen and the closeness of the 2000 Presidential election.

“I am Al Gore. I used to be the next President of the United States,” Gore introduced himself to laughter, quipping: “I don’t believe that’s particularly funny.”

Paul Wellstone

http://tabletalk.salon.com/webx?14@@.596c4aa0

Vote for a Man, Not a Puppet....

http://reese.king-online.com/Reese_20040521/index.php

Why does he keep beating this "dead horse"? Does he think that if he repeats it often enough we'll believe it?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/06/14/cheney.terrorism.ap/index.html

Teresa, I think that's the method used by these "people". Repeat, repeat, repeat, and drown out all other information.

http://salon.com/news/feature/2004/06/15/foreign_reporters/index.html

Reporters in chains
Under Homeland Security orders, journalists from England, Sweden, Holland and other friendly countries are being detained at U.S. airports, strip-searched and deported.

The Department of Homeland Security has started enforcing an obscure provision in immigration law requiring foreign journalists to seek special visas before entering the United States, even though their nonreporting countrymen can enter without any visa at all. Last year, at least 13 foreign journalists were detained and deported at U.S. airports -- most in Los Angeles -- according to the advocacy group Reporters Without Borders. At least one more journalist was similarly turned away this year after being detained, interrogated and strip-searched.

Why does the "land of the free" need to specially monitor and control the flow of incoming journalists? "Considering the fact that the United States has never licensed journalists, that in the United States anyone can be a journalist and that because most countries that require special visas for journalists tend to be totalitarian states, I think it's kind of stupid," said Lucy Dalglish, executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press.

Under the Visa Waiver Program, citizens of 27 countries -- predominately from Western Europe -- can visit the U.S. for up to 90 days without first getting a visa. Among the questionable characters ineligible for visa waiver are convicted criminals, people with communicable diseases, suspected terrorists, slave traders -- and reporters. However, according to journalist advocacy groups, the law lay dormant until March 2003 when the Department of Homeland Security formally incorporated the Immigration and Naturalization Service and suddenly began enforcing it. (A spokesman for DHS said that while he could not cite specific cases, he did recall it having come up in the past.)

More....

Jonathan: no worries:) just had a PMS moment, sorry if I was too harsh. I just bought my Fahrenheit 9/11 tickets, opening night, first showing!!!! I'm so excited! Taking my kids, too; I think the next generation needs to become aware of the mess they're inheriting & why.

Peg,

I wasn't worried. If you can't vent on this site, where else can you? :-) I plan on seeing Farenheit 9/11 when I get back from Paris in early July. Perhaps I should buy my tickets early. Hmmmmmmm ... Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on it. Guess they have some good footage of Bush golfing after promising to protect the Nation from terrorists. Or is that terriers? Great! Now my dog is worried ... and she's a dachshund! :-)

Jonathan

This site has a link to very funny bumper strips and has a picture of Mr. Bush that is very funny.

http://coprolites.blogspot.com/

Ann

Peg or Jonathan, where did you buy your tickets? I'm in New York. Any suggestions?

http://www.americanprogress.org/site/apps/custom/cap/findorg.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=45294

The Center for American Progress has launched this new database project to chart conservatives' dishonesty – and compare it with the truth. In this database, each conservative quote will be matched against well-documented facts, so that users can get a more accurate picture of the issues. And we need your help. If we're missing a lie or distortion you know of, please submit an entry. If it checks out, we will gladly add it to the database.

FOX NEWS is supporting Farenheit 9~11?!?

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,122678,00.html
It turns out to be a really brilliant piece of work, and a film that members of all political parties should see without fail.

As much as some might try to marginalize this film as a screed against President George Bush, "F9/11" — as we saw last night — is a tribute to patriotism, to the American sense of duty, and at the same time a indictment of stupidity and avarice.
***

I've gotta lay off those Alice in Wonderland muffins...Could somebody please point the way back to the entrance of the rabbit hole?
~D

wv, I particularly like this comment in your link above - vote for man not puppet. Kerry dissenters take note.
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I will swallow a lot of petty policy differences with Kerry to get a man in the White House with brains enough not to blow up the world and us with it.

Ann, I went to the site you recommended and from there got to here:

http://www.antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=2553

If Pat Buchanan can write all of that, the party is clearly over. Pack up and git on back to Crawford and take your rotten friends and associates with you. Lights out.

I feel like we, as a nation, collectively, are being smacked with a giant rubber chicken.
~D

I sent the pat puchanan article to my dearly beloved husband.
His response:
"you act surprised by P(issant)a(sshole)t(ightass)r(edneck)i(gnoramus)c(hickenshit)k(issass) B(ullshitmonger)u(nholy)c(oward)h(unchback)a(sswipe)n(ogoodnick)a(sslicker)n(eanderthal) and his article.

"You shouldn't be. He has NEVER liked the 'neo-cons'. He campained vehemently against George W. in the last election if you will recall and even after all of the other redneck republican guard fell in lockstep with the bushites, Pissant Bullshitter still ranted against him. Believe me, there's no love lost between these two camps. Bullshitter fancies himself a "true" conservative and falls even more in lockstep with the Religious Right than does G(oddam)e(metic)o(blivious)r(edundant)g(errimandering)e(gghead) B(astard)u(lcerate)s(hithead)h(asbeen).

Look out in 2008, because the REAL conservatives are pissed at this little creep who is far too centrist and they plan to take over the party even more."

lol. I love witty saggitarian men...
mimi

Oy
http://www.twentyfirstcenturyconservativeparty.com/

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20040615/ap_on_re_mi_ea/bush_6

Bush Won't Set Timeline on Saddam Handover

WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) said Tuesday the United States will turn over former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) to the new Iraqi interim government but declined to set a timetable.

-more from an increasingly surreal world at link...
~D

They'll turn Saddam over after he's dead, that's when. The guy knows too much.

With all due respect and with no intent to insult anyone less liberal than me, I am fed up with liberal bashing. I went to that 21at century site and was totally annoyned with their smary reference to liberals. It hasn't been liberals who have gotten the country into such a big mess, it's been a Reagan and 2 Bushes. Further, for all their supposed discontent they shamefully left a president in office when they knew his mental capacity was compromised and they did everything they could to steal the last election. And, for all their supposed discontent how many repubs are standing up publically? Not many, in fact most are doing all they can to re-elect the *astard so they don't have to relinquish power. And the treatment of the demos in congress is a another shameful chapter in repub history. As far as i'm concerned, the dictionary's definition of a liberal is fine by me and I'll stand by my desire to see children fed, have a clean environment, mediacal care for everyone and the end to sneak and peekers.. Sorry for the rant but there's was just something about a con repub sticking it's nose up at liberals once again that set me off.

PS. Above is a much shorter version of the rant I sent them.

M, I think the people represented by that site are fringe, to be kind...not that they would care whether I was kind or not.

http://www.aljazeera.com/fn873.asp

U.S truck carrying radioactive material caught in Kuwait

6/15/2004 9:15:00 PM GMT

Kuwait refused to allow a radioactive material-bound truck to enter the country as demanded by the US army, Kuwait Times reported Sunday.

Kuwaiti customs department on Thursday impounded four trucks on route to Iraq for suspicion that they were loaded with radioactive material.

After checkup, three of them were found not containing any radioactive material, while the fourth was found to be carrying a container of highly radioactive substance.

Customs officials refused to open the truck, and insisted that it should not move before American military personnel and Kuwaiti security officers arrive at the scene.

The officials said the American army warned against opening the container and asked that it be allowed proceed, but they refused.

Three of the four trucks were then released and the fourth one was sent out of Kuwait to where it came despite the US army's objections.

Thank you Pat.

My pleasure M.

Ann,

"By looking back and analyzing a chart it is easier to hone skills than trying to project into the future.

What do you think?"

Waal Ann - that is the skeptics' major complaint
about astrologers - it is easy to look back and find aspects to fit or make fit the event after it has occurred -

and I have been known to complain about some well known astrologers who do that, myself.

Whether it is my Mars in Sagittarius aspect of a risk taker, I much prefer looking at a chart and
projecting the future potential events. Somehow I find an integrity and honesty about working that way.

There is a difference in "reading" a static chart, such as a birth chart, saying these are the abilities this person is born with, than reading the same natal chart, now with transits, and saying this is what will occurr.

Maybe another way to say it is one is reading history, the other is prognosticating what history will say.

With Mars i

You all rock! I am still catching up. So, on "imput mode" rather than anything much of an output, I just wanted to comment on M's rant on liberal bashing. As far as I know, all "liberal" means, is to think for oneself. I refuse to accept the demonization of the word that Rush & friends continue to perpetrate. I WILL THINK for MYSELF, thankyou very much.

Tommorrow? Saturn conjuncts the Dubya's Sun............................

PS M, I get set off everyday, so IMHO you do very well.

More good news by way of NewsMax, the Right-wing magazine! Hope it's ALL true :-)

NewsMax Exposes $2 Billion Media War on Bush

The major media will give at least $2 billion
worth of friendly coverage to Democrat
presidential candidate John Kerry this election
year, NewsMax Magazine reports in its June cover story.

In its special report, "Media War on Bush," NewsMax Magazine
calculated the effect of anti-Bush and pro-Kerry coverage by the
major media outlets.

Had Sen. Kerry had to spend the same money in ads - on newspaper,
TV, radio and Internet ads - as provided by free media coverage, the
sum would be staggering.

"It would easily come to more than $2 billion," NewsMax Editor
Christopher Ruddy explains.

The NewsMax report reveals that buying just a few minutes of ad time
on Howard Stern's national radio program each day until Election Day
would cost Kerry $43 million. But the senator gets that free, as
Stern has dedicated himself to defeating President Bush.

Often Stern spends more than five minutes a day using his national
radio show, with 8.5 million weekly listeners, to urge his fans to
vote against Bush.

This special NewsMax Magazine report, now available at many
bookstores (including Barnes & Noble) and many newsstands as well
as by subscription, reveals how the media hate machine is working
overtime to defeat Bush, including:

* The big networks: Dan Rather, Peter Jennings, and Tom Brokaw
blow the whistle on their own outrageous anti-Bush bias.

* Examples of "Get Bush" propaganda reaching millions of American
homes from the likes of Matt Lauer, Harry Smith, ABC's Terry Moran,
and CNN's John King.

* The media's fiercest attack dogs - Stern, Katie Couric, Maureen
Dowd, and Al Franken - and why each has an agenda to beat the
president.

* Why the New York Times, the most slanted newspaper in America,
has infected the coverage of Bush by your hometown newspaper.

* Inside the bias machines of the big "news" weeklies such as Time
and Newsweek.

* Exposed: How the book publishing industry planned its attack on
Bush two years ago - and how you see this bias in almost every
bookstore in the nation today.

* How Hollywood is giving Kerry a huge boost with an unprecedented
amount of anti-Bush propaganda into summer films, from "The Day
After Tomorrow" to Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11."

* Learn the identity of the angry Hollywood sitcom queen whose
anti-Bush propaganda blew up in her face.

* Revealed: how the late-night comedians such as Leno and Letterman
use their monologues to hurt Bush and help Kerry.

* The real reason Hollywood hates Bush (no, it's not about the war;
it's his Christian faith!).

This edition of NewsMax Magazine includes all this and more,
including:

* The pro-Clinton State Department's war with the White House - and
how it is already planning for a Kerry presidency.

* Ignored by Big Media: Teachers in "public" schools abuse far more
children than the clergy do.

* The FBI investigates the unexpected "medical visa" immigration
loophole that terrorists are exploiting.

* New details on the growing invasion of illegal aliens.

* Exclusive interview: a veteran congressman's remarkable cure for
Social Security before it goes bankrupt.

* Jeane Kirkpatrick joins the heroic fight against U.N.'s greedy "Law
of the Sea Treaty."

* U.N. tries to censor a book exposing its most sickening scandal of
all.

* Historians urge Kerry to release his full military record and
explain the "atrocities" he has admitted committing.

* Laura Bush vs. Teresa Heinz Kerry.

* A U.S. senator calls Teddy Kennedy's blast at President Bush
"worse than Hanoi Jane."

* Why Sen. Arlen Specter is deserting President Bush.

* Sen. John McCain's latest Democrat-like activist cause.

* Why Canada censors Fox News Channel.

* Your favorite columnists: Michelle Malkin, Thomas Sowell, Bill
O'Reilly, Dick Morris, and more.

Aaaaagh!!! My eyes!!!

Saturn is working her magic:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5218186/site/newsweek

Off Message
Bush needs to spend more time talking about pocketbook politics if he wants to win over votersWEB-EXCLUSIVE COMMENTARY
By Richard Wolffe
Newsweek
Updated: 5:39 p.m. ET June 15, 2004June 15 - It was only 10 minutes into what was billed as a relaxed “conversation” about prescription drugs. But after leafing through his talking points, perched on a small black box in front of his chair, the president was clearly struggling. “I’m just about running out of air,” he joked, before handing things over to the other four people on stage. “Want me to keep talking?” In less than 40 minutes, the conversation was over. That was about the same time as George W. Bush spent in his motorcade from Kansas City airport to his chit-chat in Liberty, Mo.

MORE

My favorite blogger, Stirling Newberry, has another fine piece [remember the one on 'repudiation'?] It's pretty long, but covers two things: one is a simple understanding of economics we're dealing with (peak oil, treasury notes in foreign hands, etc) --- and his expertise is economics; and two) some insight into Kerry and how he will play in the 'cleanup' --- might make some who have reservations about Kerry see him in a different light, or answer some questions ---

http://www.bopnews.com/archives/000865.html#865

Lol Shade.

Really neat article, Jo. I hope Kerry (or whoever . . . ??) will put a lot of emphasis and funds into developing alternative energy. We've got to get off oil. Rather than stomping around the globe commandeering existing oil wells and drilling holes everywhere (remember Dean? He knew.), we'd better start kicking the habit. And just think of the jobs that can be created in the process. Do the astrologers here see any possibilities for development of alternative energy in the next four years?

Here's Robert Fisk's latest article -- don't know why it hasn't been posted in UK paper before now. Maybe it was and I missed it? On Abu Ghraib and dated 5/27

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/05/292366.html

I remember there was made mention of the vertex several threads back, and how it indicated some sort of change for the person.
I just noticed something. The inaugural Pluto will be at 23Sag24. The vertex for Teresa Kerry is 23sag26; Dick Gephardt's is 23sag33; George Bush's is 23sag39. Don't know what all that means but it strikes me as interesting.
Also, Carol Mosley-Braun's vertex is conjunt the inaugural moon at 9gemini.

http://www.iraq.net/displayarticle4253.html

U.S. Trucks Carrying Radioactive Materials Intercepted In Iraq-Kuwait Border

Oedipus the Sleep Walker

There was and is a valid argument made that Nixon unconsciously engineered and mishandled Watergate to fulfill a deep sense of worthlessness and need to be punished. How could anyone as intellectually powerful as Nixon make so many mistakes without intentionality attached?

With Bushboy, there are two phases in his attack on his father, both motivated by his 12th house (house of “ignorance”) Saturn, his “least aspected planet” (with only a square to the ASC). The first phase was his dissolute life-style until he was 40. His father survived this and helped his son out of a number of jams. The second phase began with what looked like a turn-around; Bushboy found religion, “sobered up,” and became our grand leader.

My theory is that his 12th house Saturn isn’t finished. The second phase of the attack on the father is about to conclude spectacularly. Bushboy did everything he could to counter his father pattern of international and domestic relations. A strong argument can be made that on an unconscious level, he did this with the inevitable results we have now: the nation shamed, his father distancing from him, and, most importantly, the *end of the Bush Dynasty*. This last outcome is the most significant and the point at which Bushboy figuratively nails his father just where it hurts. The gene pool of subsequent Bushies will be hard pressed to have any bounce from the name/family recognition after the pResident gets finished trashing the family name.

If Bush were a genius he could have overcome this with great effort. He’s not. If he just had a few planets in the 4th house (of family memory) to take the edge off he might have turned out different. I believe that the 12th house, lonely Saturn is the cosmic set up for Bushboy to undo all the efforts from Prescott forward. He may leave and live in shame but he will always know that he brought the family so low it will never recover.

Interesting Mike.

....a must read....

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/printer_061604A.shtml

Mike

I wouldn't bet on that family being finished. They
have always planned jeb to take over after dimson.

to be finished they would have to be cognizant of
shame. Prescott was not and dimson is not. they and their followers still think they have done everything that is "right" in their eyes.

there are people who still think Nixon was wonderful.

"radioactive truck turned back by Kuwaitis while
US Army insisted they let it pass" ? ? ?

Why, goodness gracious. That couldn't be the evidence of WMD Cheney insists Saddam has hidden in Iraq, now could it?

That the US govt. would plant such evidence you think?

Oh my. How could you think such a thing???

(pssst. it's easy)

pallas18,

you're right, the bushes feel no shame! they don't need to in order to vanish. the total disaster of dimson is so comprehensive, we'll never forget. more importantly, a huge number of americans are having this burned into long term memory. the bush crew can set up a compound like 'dallas' and have breakfast together every day, pretending that they still have power. the end is near.

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