Sally,
Such a beautiful article -- I'm moved to tears, and when I stop crying I will read it again and come back to you.

Thank you for such a profound piece.

Namaste

Sally, thank you for the beautifully written and hopeful message! I sooo appreciate your opinion as a person of enlightenment as well as your astrological gifts.

Sally: HOW ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL!! Thank-you.

Sally, I'm at a loss for words.
Oh wait! Squeeze, Saturn, Squeeze..
~D

Is this the beginning of the end of shrub,cheny,rummy,conty, the whole rogue bunch?

As I've said before, dear Sally, you're the best, the best, the best. Thank you!

Yes, dear Sally, it did bring a mist to my old eyes. Beautiful article!

Raj. this group has been at the end for sometime, it's just taking the American people a while to bury the body and even after that it will take 20 to 30 years to clean up the mess without divine intervention. When I look at the symbology of the World Trade Center and the 9/11 chart with Mercury on the ASC conj. the US Saturn and in a trine to the 9/11 Saturn, I've been struck by the message that was being brought to the US. In numerology the number 14 (Mercury) relates to the Tarot card of Temperance and the astrological correspondence is to Mercury and Sagittarius. The meaning of that is "the things of the earth (4) must be understood as manifestations of pure energy (1)" We must consciously direct our mental energies toward a deeper understanding of this concept to develop along the lines of spiritual consciousness, we are capable in this country of producing great wisdom. We can be a leader of peace and understanding in this world, maintaining perfect balance between sub-conscious and conscious and I think that was the higher message of 9/11. The profound lessons of this moment in history for all of us is taking our stong anger and tempering it into something else, like forgiveness. There are things still to come that we won't like but our strength and firmness of character will bring us to that mountain. I don't believe we are less strong than our forebearers who carved this country from very little. I would hope we would do a better job of partnering with others than we did with the Indians, there again it depends upon who we select as our leaders. It may not look like it folks, but we are in the middle of another revolution. I also need AGAIN, that I am not sure Bush or Kerry will be our candidates, I am not sure the Bush group doesn't have something 'special' in mind for us before the election that introduces Marshall Law but that will only be a blip along the road to true freedom.

For the rest of you, thank you so much for your too kind words, I must tell you they humble me.

Shylurker,
The only thing Sally's article lacks is the picture of the new blue rose you linked the other day, the one you think they should call Venus...
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I'm reminded that 2003 was the year of Mars, and 2004 is the year of Venus, and I guess in addition to the upcoming special 8 year Venus aspect? Would that be right Sally?

So we have Venus front and center. Venus represents the centripetal, inward-pulling elements of life and experience which urge us toward inner union and togetherness with others. Venus is the attraction-repulsion principle, it symbolizes guiding values and ideals, and the feminine aspect of nature.

In a general sense, a planet’s retrograde period represents a time to retrace our steps, learn from past experience, resolve difficulties and tie-up loose-ends in the life-department represented by the retrograde planet. tVenus Rx
will be in the USA 7th house moving toward a conj with nMars. Mercury rules Gemini and in the US chart it is found in the 8th house, opposing nPluto in Capricorn. tVenus Rx will return June 1st to same spot it was May 1st. 7th house in mundane astrology is foreign relations, treaties and/or disputes; Venus represents cinema, among other things. What do you think about this Sally?

Sally, you have been suggesting that Bush and/or Kerry might not be on the ballot in November. In certainly looks as those the Repug rats are leaving the Bush ship, and we are five+ months away from November. It's possible he could, under pressure from his party, decide not to run for re-election. Lots of possibilities, huh? My granny used to say there's many a slip twix the cup and the lip... five months is as long as we have alredy been from the end of December and I don't know about you, but so much has been compressed in these past five months, and just as much or more could be compressed in the coming five... considering we all feel we're in a whirlpool now.

A change in influence from Mars to Venus has great appeal for me... I'm ready for it to begin. We are hardy stock... and I believe many of us are here in this moment, in these times as Pat reminded us last night, to meet the difficulties of the days ahead.

Morgana, you rest up, you hear... there's a lot of work to be done later, and you're going to need to be good and strong.

Sally you put a truckload in your article above... lots of research, information, and so much beauty... your quotes are always a joy... Bette Midler is one of my favorites and The Rose is such a moving piece... and memories evoked of Janis Joplin. I can't really put my finger on a particular part of your article, but reading it moved my psyche in ways I can't explain. I'm still dealing with it. Thank you.

Namaste

Jo your analysis of moving from Mars to Venus this year is just perfect, particularly with the Venus Occultation being in the Mars Decan. I think we could go with your interpretation nicely. The one other thing would be Venus turning stationary direct on the US Uranus point.

That Venus is going to hit Kerry's Moon exactly and oppose his Sun. There is something here that I cannot put my finger on, but I don't like it. He has already indicated he would wait another month past the convention to accept the nomination. Remember we act consciously on our sub-conscious. I wonder if he feels something that he cannot name himself and is saying I'll wait. As for Bush, he is in great physical danger from August to mid October, if he makes it through that period and IF he wins the election he will be gone by next June (2005) at the latest. I just don't know who might run in their place, or if it is Marshall Law and there isn't an election. I just know, that looking at the energies something is very different that we have ever had for this election.

Oh good heavens, I was right about this speech being given at the Army War College instead of from the oval office. They "war college" is clapping wildly, just what Rove and Hughes was to have played on the national networks.

He has made a lot of ridiculous speeches in his time, but this was the silliest yet. It is so pathetic I could cry..........for the country and for the world

Teg, I have an awful headache, needless to say I could not watch him. No sense making the pain worse. What did he say, what is his plan for turning over Iraq in 5 weeks?

outstanding article Sally...conceptual poetry.

and, God Bless the Mexican Air Force (I didn't even know they needed one). i predict that on june 8th, the Mexican Air Force will facilitate a mass emigration of Bush, Cheney, Rummy and the neocons to Planet X. there they will be free from prosecution on earth and experience reprogramming by L. Ron Hubbard to work in a galactic theme park.

Sally, a few conjectures, if you don't mind. Smirky continues to spiral downhill (or, to use a different analogy, continues to violate the First Law of Holes), the person/people who fed all that classified info to Chalabi is/are identified (thinking of Cheney here--or perhaps Cheney resigns due to health probs), more and more Repugs turn against Smirky & Co, indictments are handed down in the Plame case (affecting who knows who inside the "administration") and so on. Rather than having Smirky declare martial law, what if the government becomes so paralyzed that the generals (who supposedly simply despise Rumsfeld et al.) get so fed up that they intervene for a few months to get us through?
(You know, of course, that I am terrified of martial law. Maybe all I'm doing is trying to make myself feel better about it. LOL)
Thanks!

PS All: He was really bad tonight, huh? (I don't have tv service, so--dang it!--couldn't watch. 'Course I had the tv service disconnected a couple of months after 911 and also so I wouldn't have to see you-know-what and his minions any more.)

Oh, Mike, your post was sheer delight. Many thanks!

Listening to the Lib radio who are slamming his speech. What a big phony Mamaboy Bushie is. A robot. Anyway being into asteroids I looked up asteroid Bradfield on Astrodeinst and it was at 12 Taurus when the Comet Bradfield was discovered. Asteroid Bradfied is currently at 7 Gemini. Would that tie into the leaks coming out? We are at transit 10 Taurus NNode and Mercury.

Isn't it strange how most of his speeches are in airplane hangars on military bases, or here at the 'War' college... for the 'War' prez...

I thought about the networks not carrying his speech... you know he has five more 'weekly' speeches planed... if they had given him time tonight they would have been locked in... plus, the Dems would have been screaming about equal time...

Is he a pretty sight, Sally?

About Kerry and the question of accepting or not at the convention... it's not settled yet and some believe the idea was floated for response from Dems... and to scare the pants off the Repugs who are rapidly spending money and having to fundraise constantly. 'Course Kerry and the rest of us are watching this 'trainwreck' ---

As for Kerry acting on his subconscious... I can't even articulate what I am feeling for fear of drawing it to us...

This feel you have for the energy around the time of election has been constant hasn't it? for months now... well they have control of Congress and the White House, but the military? I don't know.

Peace

Mike I laughed so hard at your remarks my headache got much better. I think that's a plan.

Shyluker: The military could indeed revolt, Bush is right now on a bigger sand dune that we know and a huge wave is heading that way. He's going to be looking for higher ground and no place to go, unless the rapture takes him up, or as Mike suggests, spaceships. US Solar Arc Moon is now opposing the US Sun and Saturn is ready set to cross over those points, with his Sun at odds with the SA Moon and our Sun at odds with his natal Moon and Saturn about to set it all off, I would say batten down the hatches over this next two-three weeks. Then the chart for July 1st the day after the turn over is terrible, just terrible. These people are going to turn on each other faster than siblings after the last piece of candy.

Jo, twin here (your mentioning the military also).
Remember when LBJ didn't run? He couldn't run because he couldn't campaign. He was our prisoner in the WH. The only places he could go were military places. Smirky & Co. have done their darndest to keep protestors many hundreds of yards away from Smirky's presence. At some point, however (The Repug Convention might be it), the whole damned thing is gonna unwind--and we will have the amazing sight of a president totally freaking out.

DearSally............he said a lot of words, mostly repeats of his prior stuff, but missing most of the "evildoers, you bad, me good" phraseology. I think even his speechwriters have realised just how ridiculous those things sound now. As Biden said after, there was absolutely nothing new as to plans for Iraq. Biden sounded on the edge of terminal frustration.......a state I think is shared by all of us.

Thank you so much for your wonderful articles. I've been reading them for some time, and have appreciated them greatly.

skylurker, here is the reception committee waiting for bush...he is exiled to a planet where all the women are taller than he is!!

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/05/images/20040524-1_012t1888-515h.jpg

Sally, absolutely beautiful.

Mike, just amazing! Who do you think color-coordinated his tie with the strips on the ball? (It feels so good to laugh, Mike. Many tnx!)

"The obfuscation coming out of Washington these days is really beginning to challenge my personal sense of reality."

Great line, Sally!! I felt exactly that way listening to GWB tonight. I started to get pulled in, thinking it would be great if he could really pull this off. This shining vision of a democratic Iraq is very compelling. He just ignores all the harsh facts. It took me a moment to wake up.

REVENGE OF THE GENERAL(S)

Gen. Barry McCaffrey on MSNBC's Deborah Norville Show: Norville just asked about bush's comment that 6-7 soldiers disgrased the us army. without missing a beat, McCaffrey responded that the real question is how Rumsfeld, Cambone and Feith (the later two are uber neocons) set the stage for systematic torture. i saw some ex generals on
c-span this weekend commenting on iraq. their criticism of bush-feld was stunningly harsh. it's payback time. i can now relax and switch over to WWW Raw. et tu Rock.

I was trying to figure out where the teleprompter was. It wasn't in front of him, but he was clearly reading the speech. He couldn't have done what he did without a teleprompter. His speechwriters are definitely improving. But he basically turned the whole thing in Iraq back to being about the terrorists versus us. Some of the speech was veryw ell crafted. The biggeest complaint from the Dems and the pundits is that it was all very general but no details. A lovely vision, with no foundation in reality.

I am so grateful for this site - at the end of my work day, I take the time to check for new articles or comments, and it's keeping me close to sane (wouldn't claim full sanity as I enjoy the hell out of my personal wierdness!)

Sally, you always hit the nail on the head. And Jo, I love your grannie genius - long-time hippie that I am. Morgana, you know you're getting all the love and light we can send.

Thanks, folks - you da best!

Thanks once again Sally for sharing your insights with us, and in such a poetic manner no less! Simply delightful.

Neither Bush nor Kerry?

As has been mentioned here before, Elizabeth Joyce says on her website that Bush won't run, and Kerry will drop out, leaving General Wesley Clark to win the nomination. Although a review over the last few years give Ms. Joyce only a 50-50 for predictive accuracy, (you can research that yourself, I did), her predictions about the election certainly resonate. I have posted here before that in addition to the strong astro. indicators, is the psgychology of bush that also points to him not running. The spoiled, privelaged White House pResident is likely to take his ball & bat and go home if nobody wants him to "play". As the neocons' egos take bruising after bruising, their paper mache "hollow world" is starting to cave. Unlike the men (& women) of principal they pretend to be, they have no principals, only maxims of the moment to feed their outrageous egos. Many astrological aspects are coming together this summer and in the fall for one hell of an exposure and karmic comeuppance! Lets send out our prayers and meditations to the Light that these S.O.B.'s don't take us within them

in the LIght
Astro Am

Mike, the picture is priceless! I've never seen him look so pathetic. Much as I dislike his energy, I almost feel sorry for him, he looks 'rumpled up' with that pant leg thing. And of course the constant 'suit' --- with a basketball! Thanks! I like your idea of sending all of them to outer space!

I'll tell you Nancy, I am about to jump off into a parallel universe here, it's gotta make more sense than this, at this point I think we should all be looking for a tesseract and quick just in case these lunatics find a way to stay on.

Tesseract here:
http://pw1.netcom.com/~hjsmith/WireFrame4/tesseract.html

Shylurker,
well, twin --- about the military... I don't think Dubya can count on them anymore. He shoved this aside and went Civie with Rumsfeld... they went they went with the Black Ops Sy Hersh reported on, they didn't clue the military in... and now with the Abu Ghraib scandal, everybody is screaming for heads to roll and Rummy doesn't want it to be his, so he'll offer up the military, starting with Gen. Sanchez who I heard is being 'rotated out' --- didn't know they did when they were in theatre, but this is what I'm hearing... you heard how angry Zinni was last night and that's just the tip... they're speaking out... so no way in my opinion they would trash our Constitution and participate in any kind of martial law order from this inept Commander-in- chief... IMHO of course... but we might have as Nancy has predicted some problems at protest demonstrations --- I can't get Miami out of my mind...

Like you I remember LBJ confined to the White House... I heard report from Austin earlier that if he had gone to the graduation there were huge numbers of protestors waiting for him... maybe he has reached the LBJ point... and is confined to WH --- I agree with you about the Repug Conv... I bet they are wishing at this point they had picked any place but NYC --- I don't mind him unraveling, I just don't want to see demonstrators get hurt...

You keep reminding me to take those CNN polls... did you see the one tonight? at 9:50 EDT 62,228 votes, Who has the best plan for Iraq Bush 31% Kerry 42% and Neither 28% ---

Namaste

I thought Bush's speech delivery was actually one of his better ones - but the bar on that front has been set REALLY low. He painted a nice, neat, pretty picture for his faithful followers, one that might have been appropriate lets say instead of that carrier speech, not one that is a mere 5 weeks before handover! No doubt the fundies will continue to think he's god's gift, but as usual the devil is with the sorely lacking details.

The thing I gently think Joe Public is missing here is
that our fate is now totally, entirely, in the fate of
the rest of the planet. Swear to Bacchus. I have
realized recently that we have bigger problems than I
thought. All of the other nations are basically
waiting to see how they deal with us. I hope they
haven't already made up their minds.

People do not realize how badly their fortunes could
change. The Nazi powergrab of WWII was only a few
decades ago. The world knows that this Nation is now
stating that it's intentions are about conquering and
Empire, no matter how you dress it up. We are in the
2nd Test of the Founding Fathers, the Old Nations are
seeing if we as a Democracy can straighten ourselves
out. It's not going to take the other nations a
terribly long time to gang up on us and all sides
would be horribly wounded in such a scenario.

What keeps me sort of sleeping well at night is my
proximity to the Underworld. See, I truly believe
that the Spirits of the Dead have methods to bring
about vengeance. If nothing else, Hamlet being
continually replayed in the mass consciousness for so
long allows for such possibilities to play themselves
out naturally within the rhythm of the Universe.

I believe that the Spirits of the Dead are guiding us
to avenge their Murders on September 11th. One thing that must never be forgotten is the identity of the folks in the WTC. 3,000 innocents.

This is a scary world we're living in (it's funny,
only a few of us are scared. The awake ones.)
Through my spirituality, I believe that Bu$h has a
defecit of character that would probably unknit
itself, without the karmic burden of the Dead to
contend with.

People are becoming aware that there's a pattern between the 2000 election, September 11th, and Iraq. If the people
living in luxury and power do not do the right thing,
and prosecute the Figurehead (which is Bu$h) to the
fullest extent of his hypocrisy, and in a good faith
effort clean out every last crooked bastard in the
government, I'm afraid that eventually such a fate
will be chosen for them by the rest of the planet.
Thank the Spirits of the Dead for that one.

Applying Occam's razor, I'd say it looks like Bu$h and
his minions tried to set up a Dynasty over Fossil
Fuels. Perhaps the Ghosts of the Dinosaurs flowing
with the oil that this blood and misery are being shed
for are lending a macabre sense of humor to these
events.
~D

Jo, Yep. Who is Neither? Pretty popular guy, I'd say. Up-and-coming, huh?
Seriously, somebody told me that (in the Air Force, at least) they take an oath to uphold the Constitution. I hope they do and I hope they take it seriously (unlike Smirky et al.).
I don't want to be looking upon the military as our Big Daddies who'll make things safe and secure for us until we can have an election, but this stuff about martial law (or some such stunner) keeps coming up and I do truly shiver thinking about that. Also, that recent Blumenthal article, regardless of his having the dates more into the future, certainly gave me pause. That fellow does NOT live in a vacuum.
Well, I'll swan, but I never thought I'd live to see such a day.
(Jo, I think that phrase came about because ladies in the Deep South did not swear. Men did, and certainly behind the barn. But ladies did not swear, so I think they just made a contraction of the phrase 'swear on' and came up with 'swan'. That way they could swear and not swear all at the same time.)

I forgot to mention - did anyone else hear bush say "Istanbul summit." I got the feeling he intended to go.
Nato website says "Meetings at the Heads of State and Government level of the North Atlantic Council (NAC) and between NATO and Heads of State and Government of Partner Countries will be held in Istanbul on 28-29 June 2004.

Wasn't this a danger time?????

Certainly appreciate your driving the point home, Dommael, that we (the US) are part of this planet. Too much arrogance prevails among too many here in the old USA that we can just stomp around the world and be and do however many reprehensible things we like. Damn! I've got to get me one of those tesseracts. Think they'll take my Hummer as a down payment?

I come to this site to stay sane. Thank you Sally and everyone here. I read today in the Wash Post that Wall Street has raised 12.4 million for Bush. It blew me away. One can feel so powerless sometimes. I know that feeling of being pulled in as well, and yet there is this inner something (in me, perhaps all my own Saturn stuff) that says, something here is not what it seems. When has it been so difficult to figure out the truth? What is real? What is denial? Am I in denial? What do I believe? At this point, I am not really sure, except that I trust this planetary philosophical symbolism, more than any politician or government.

Thanks again.

Very powerful Dommael and I wonder if you are right, that Bush has to be punished to the full extent of the law, ours or the universe. Maybe the 3 thousand are guiding us to the truth. Shylurker, just keep twirling the tesseract and you will see the slot to slip into a new reality, maybe you can take your hummer.

Sally: wonderful article, so inspiring!

also, have you taken a look at the solar return chart as compared to the natal chart for the us yet? do you see what i see? in just looking at the aspects, which are numerous and i have them written down, (i could list them all but i think it would take a lot of space) it seems to be a time of deception, and a lot of war mongering going on, but healing taking place also? any thoughts yet?

and i am particularly interested in your psychic feeling the kerry is holding off for some reason, one that he may not be aware of consciously. can you say more about that, and why you think we may have a whole different slate in november?

many thanks for this illustrious website, it is such a help to all and such a tremendous force for all who come upon it.

http://www.salon.com/mwt/wire/2004/05/24/white_buffalo/print.html

May 24, 2004  |  PHOENIX (AP) _ The owners of a small bison herd in northern Arizona were surprised to find one of their rare white buffaloes had given birth to something even rarer: a white calf.

It's a one-in-10 million occurrence, Keith Davis, a spokesman for Spirit Mountain Ranch, said of Saturday's birth.

"This is so rare specifically because she was born white," Davis said. "The others were born red (like normal buffaloes) and turned white."

The birth of a white bison is meaningful for many American Indian tribes who consider it a symbol of rebirth when the world's people are in troubled times.

None of the buffaloes is albino but rather a mutation of the usual fur color of dark brown to black, said Dena Riley, who owns the ranch near Flagstaff with her husband.

Of 11 bison on the ranch, four are white, not including the newborn.

The ranch was moved onto its 5-acre site near the San Francisco Peaks in December 2001 and has had visitors from around the globe to see white bison, according to Dena Riley

Sally, you never cease to amaze me: a new article
always better than the last. It is a privilege to
read them. This one, though, feels like it came
straight from your innermost being - it is so
visceral.......

THANK YOU

Shylurker,
You know southern women, they usually find a way to do what they want, regardless of constraints - so, I swan to goodness I do believe you are right! I never put the two words together --- good for you!

Thank you for the graphic of the tesseract. Before computers it was impossible to visualize it. Remember Abbott's "Flatland":

Sphere. But where is the land of Four Dimensions?
Square. I know not: but doubtless my Teacher knows.
Sphere. Not I. There is no such land. The very idea of it is utterly inconceivable.
Square. Not inconceivable, my Lord, to me, and therefore still less inconceivable to my Master. Nay, I despair not that, even here, in this region of Three Dimensions, your Lordship's art may make the Fourth Dimension visible to me.

I read Ouspensky and Helene Blat-- what's her last name? was interested in the fourth dimension... Now quantum physicists try to tell us about ten dimensions.

Sally, I'm hopeful the discovery Venus brings us is some insight into 'what all this actually is' --- and maybe then we'll realize that we are all in this together... I have difficulty reconciling that at this particular point in time, what with all the power struggles and atrocities going on... what is that bhakti said about the Buddha and the man who stands in a boat full of people? It's really hard to acknowledge the 'wholeness' right now, isn't it?

Sally, you can grab the tesseract -- (that is, if you can!) but I'm looking for a black hole to drop into and move into the 15th century when the natives lived in a clean environment and respected mother earth and... but, hey, I guess that's why we're all here now, right?

Dommael:

Great Post. You too, never cease to amaze me. I
am so glad you are my friend.

Being a 'spiritualist', you know I agree with you
about the "3000 Innocents" watching over us. But
I think that all those who loved this Country as
we do and/or gave their lives for it, are helping
the situation.

And I think it is more than just helping the
squatters in the White House pack their bags.....

Good article Sally! One question though - I'm not sure what you mean by the Venus Occultation being in the Mars Decan. I know that the first 10 degrees of Gemini is the Gemini decan (Mercury), the second 10 degrees is the Libra decan (Venus) and the third 10 degrees the Aquarius decan (Uranus). At 17 Gem 53, the occultation would be in the Libra decan, ruled by Venus. Could you explain please?

Thanks!

In theory Viki you are right, but these are ancient assignments, really ancient and I used it because they were used with all the Venus Occultations in the past. In doing my research into events surrounding the other Venus Occultations, the decans were important in identifying the flavor of the events, so I just kept the same pattern.

I do use the more modern assignments in my personal work.

before the steam engine, how many among the informed public knew there would be a steam engine.

before the internal combustion engine, how many among the informed public knew there would be an internal combustion engine.

even with all our information access, how many of us know what the next big thing will be?

just imagine what it will be like when someone announces/demonstrates a practical application of hydrogen or whatever. the world will stop, sigh,and things will get very interesting.

right now power=political power. in the future, the paradigm should be power=personal freedom (gaia too).

how are our power planets doing in the next year?

Perhaps it's telling that the "generals" are publicly and plainly speaking out - as if to cue
in their "troops" ?

Is it a threat to the entrenched neo-cons who must
certainly understand what is being threatened and should be shaking in their boots?

Will the generals' plain talk be enough message to the neo-cons to tell them to resign? (with those egoes it's doubtful)

Gee Sally, I hope it doesn't come to Martial Law -
the CIA and the Military are capable of taking care of the cabal without punishing all of us. If
dimson and the shadow were gone so would the rest of the neo-cons be shortly. Then again dennishastert would also be a punishment--but if this were to happen before the elections, such a stupid viscious person wouldn't be a president for long.

What's going on with Dean? I remember as a kid watching conventions where they nominated their favorites - could there be a runaway democratic convention, especially if Kerry refused to accept the nomination until he collected more money? I agree, he might be the one who was in for a surprise, although a Sun-Venus opposition usually indicates a love affair

And I agree Sally on China. Many think it is India's turn to be the next power, but I too think it will be China.

I'm scared you-know-whatless of China. Look what they did to the Tibetans. Expand on your comments, please.

I'm with you shylurker.

Speaking of Saturn.....please note the dated and nature of the events.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3217961/

Don't be afraid of China, I don't think we will be overrun by the 'hordes,' too expensive. We are judging China by the recent past and the leaders we see today. That won't be the case. On a micro level we are seeing chaos, on a macro level all is working in perfect order.

The patriarchal society has been running for over 2000 years, prior to that there was a matriarchal society. We are in the evolutionary process of balancing all that out. The Neandertal didn't know they were evolving to the Homo Sapiens, and they didn't know they were going to homo sapien sapien. We are evolving. Not an either/or but a combination.

China culture, at it's most positive level, has always understood the balance, although they have gotten out of balance when the Western world arrived on their scene several hundred years ago.

What is happening now cannot be judged on the past, because this is an evolutionary point in time for the human race. China, when its major influence is felt, will not be what we see now. They will have returned to their true cultural roots. There has not been a time like this in modern history (last couple of thousand years) Think outside the box of what we know or think we know.

In the meantime, we are dealing with the chaotic micro problems and astrology can help understand what is happening on a day to day level for us and who it's happening to. I just told Dommael that unknowingly GWB is the embodiment of the underbelly of the last two thousand years. The fudal lords, the families who have controlled by fear and threats and torture, the way the world is divided up, and the families who have ruled forever. He embodies the worst of us, and I am sure he doesn't realize this, but he does and the world is screaming to get past him and on with our own process.

Ann what a truly great site, thank you. I hope everyone checks it out.

I LOVE THIS SITE!!! SALLY ISABELLE ET AL, ALL GENIUSES ILLUMINATING THE DARKNESS WE LIVE IN.....

I don't know how you all feel about conspiracy type theories, but keeping in mind Sally's concerns about Kerry, check the link below:

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=2&contentid=1255

chiling--and if true, it presents something akin to what everyone has mentioned regarding coups, etc.

Interesting.

China is ruled by Venus. 1949 birth data gives a
7 libra sun with 18 Gemini on the 5th cusp.

Taiwan 1947 is libra rising.

I wish I had Campion's cd of all the countries then we could search for those with 17 Gemini or Taurus/Libra Sun/Rising. But I only have the book which would take many many months to find all the libra /taurus countries' suns or rising or 17 degree cusps or planets.

I have thought for some time, as a matter of fact
since just before we started the war in Iraq, while the British and US were running blockades against ships heading to the middle east, and while we were warring in Afghanistan, that China
was going to come out of its borders (very unusual in itself) and come down into the middle east through borders it shared with Afghanistan and through Turkey.

Look at a map. There are common borders. And it was shocking when there was news that Chinese Muslims were fighting against the "coalition" in
Afghanistan. Who would think there would be such a thing as Chinese Muslims? But there are.

Economically, we are deeply in debt (trade) to China.

There is no question that they can pull the rug out from the US - but ha-ha, dimson beat them to it by raiding the treasury.

In any case I have mentioned the population statistics before.... by population they outnumber all nationalities on the rest of the planet.

Who is going to stop them if they come pouring out of their borders?

Retribution. Interesting tidbit. The last Venus
occultation in 1882 was when the United States Congress passed "The Chinese Exclusion Act". the beginning of Immigration Laws.

It was also when Standard Oil (the Rockefellers and a few other famous names) was founded.

And it was also 1882 WHEN THE UNITED STATES SIGNED ONTO, RATIFIED THE GENEVA CONVENTION !!!!

We're still excluding, the problem is still oil (which should be nationalized in this country!, and obviously The Geneva Convention is a major
issue right now.

Wow, the Geneva convention - which the cabal has broken - and they are theoretically subject to war crimes, as even their own attorney told them -
("archaic rules" indeed, "just a bunch of legalisms" indeed)

Let's say instead of martial law, that the pnac crowd was indicted for war crimes.

Who would be indicting them? The Hague??? Belgium already has. Who?

Then, who would arrest them for giving orders violating the Geneva Convention???????

The army? The Joint Chiefs of Staff?

Maybe such arrests would be more probable than
Martial Law. Maybe the Generals would rather arrest the cabal than let them steal another election.

You're thinking the generals would install Clark as pResident? I don't think so. The Generals don't like him.

One thing is for sure. The CIA is in the process of payback against this administration. So is State Dept and Powell. Embarrasing payback when they arrest the darling of the pentagon.

Rotating (making him the fall guy )Sanchez after the orders came down from Rummy's office to "rough em up - do what you have to"

When Nixon was told to get out, they sent Alexander Haig. No general is buddy-buddy with
dimson. I bet his father is the one who is sent to tell him it's time to go home to Crawford in order to "save him".

Whew Garry that is quite a story, however there has been rumblings elsewhere (not conspiracy groups) hinting at something concerning Bush and Kerry, who knows if it's because of the common Skull and Bones connection, the money connection or just a concern about Kerry being a replacement for Bush, but there is something on the horizon concerning the two of them I think. For the lead up to the election, Kerry has some difficult transits as well as Bush, but this year is going to be a wild ride, I am sure of that and it's all too strange.

Well, this is something to think about, isn't it?
I can only judge China by the recent past. The Chinese army was horrendous in their treatment of the Tibetans. Are the Chinese going to go through some enlightenment and stop their army from committing such hideous acts? Are they going to let the Dalai Lama return? (I doubt it.)
I don't think Neanderthals evolved into homo sapiens. I think Neanderthals disappeared--perhaps because of homo sapiens.
I want to believe what you say, but I cannot. The Chinese can be as barbaric as any, including the BFEE.
We are all human beings. We can choose to become barbaric or we can choose to become enlightened.
I trust we will choose to become enlightened.
I hope we will choose to become enlightened.
I will dedicate myself to become enlightened.

Carl Bernstein speaks out:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2004-05-23-bush-edit_x.htm

You are enlightened shylurker, and I know we have nothing but the past to guide us however the past is not going to carve the future. Anyway, we are many years away from any China issue, we have a ton of problems that will need to be handled first.

I saw a young man in an interview tonight, wounded and back from Iraq and he is madder than all get out. He's back here, no health insurance, lowered wages, too wounded to get a job right now, and he is furious over the money we are putting everywhere but here. If many of these people come back like he did, the military is going to have to face some angry soldiers and quite a lot of them.

Pallas, I saw Bob Woodward on Larry King and King asked him about this article. Woodward chose his words carefully, but seemed to disagree. Woodward seems intent on not upsetting the White House too much and he also seems to be backing off some of his statements in his book or let's just say re-explaining them. Wonder why we haven't seen Carl Bernstein on talk shows. Seems to me that he has an interesting perspective as well as Woodward. The only difference is Bush didn't welcome Bernstein to the WH with open arms.

Thank you for your kind words, Sally, but I am not enlightened. I try, and maybe someday will be.
Meantime, we gotta get those you-know-whats outta there and ensure that no more of our tax monies will be spent on obliterating human beings, maiming human beings, enriching jerks who care not for human beings beyond themselves, and so on. I've used enough of your generous web space, so I'll shut up now.

Take a look at this Shylurker, it's these kind of articles that make me think "it cannot be hard to get these idiots out of office." If this is true they really are the keystone cops and complete and total idiots.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1224075,00.html

Thanks so very much for letting me know about the guardian article, Sally.

Sally,

the best part of the Guardian article you posted:

"An intelligence source in Washington said the FBI investigation into the affair would begin with Mr Chalabi's "handlers" in the Pentagon, who include William Luti, the former head of the office of special plans, and his immediate superior, Douglas Feith, the under secretary of defence for policy.

There is no evidence that they were the source of the leaks. Other INC supporters at the Pentagon may have given away classified information in an attempt to give Mr Chalabi an advantage in the struggle for power surrounding the transfer of sovereignty to an Iraqi government on June 30.

The CIA allegations bring to a head a dispute between the CIA and the Pentagon officials instrumental in promoting Mr Chalabi and his intelligence in the run-up to the war. By calling for an FBI counter-intelligence investigation, the CIA is, in effect, threatening to disgrace senior neo-conservatives in the Pentagon. "

It looks like my theory is just about right.
The CIA and FBI are after the Pentagon neo-cons
while the Generals (heard two of them tonight) are
demanding "someone" take responsibility - what's the exit plan?, who is going to govern Iraq - and this still doesn't seem well thought out.....one
general said: who's responsible for over 6000 beautiful young men injured for life and the dead"?

( I swan : that's what he said. "Beautiful young
men" - tonight they showed some of the injured in the hospital and a picture of a 21 year old who didn't make it to the hospital.

I have to agree with the general. I can't bear to hear and see any more 19,20 and 21 year old names and faces who are dead in Iraq.

It seems to me we have learned one thing since Viet Nam - maybe two things. Not to trust our government and it doesn't take us years and years anymore to demand the killing be stopped.

Thank God for that woman who took the pictures of the coffins lined up for their trip back to America!

Sally,

Just read your article. Such inspiration gives us hope in uncertain times.

I just read something else that inspired me. Hope you all enjoy it.

It's Dennis Kucinich's acceptance speech for 2003 Gandhi Peace Award. Sorry I couldn't get my computer to paste it live.

http://www.kucinich.us/speeches/speech20.php

Oops, it did paste it live.

below is a link to an article that proclaims the election is kerrys to lose, and i think that is true, and i wonder, what if there were another major terrorist attack in this country, right before the election, something that would involve either a sports arena or the theater or an amusement park of some kind, could not the boy king and more importantly his royal guardians whip up enough support to bowlderize the american public into going ahead with his election, since he tries to proclaim himself as the protector of american shores?

i just wonder how quickly his handlers will let the power they schemed so hard to get fall out of their hands? and what might they do to keep it?

i personally think getting the word out on bush and all his lies now, before anything major takes place (if it does) will help to waylay the deception he so easily tries to get past the electorate.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/comment/story/0,14259,1224063,00.html

WOW! WOW! WOW! It isn't a mystery why so many keep coming to this site. Inspiring article, Sally!

In my day-to-day roamings i hear a growing disenchantment with this administration. There is more beneath the anger -- a collective sub-conscious awareness that times are about to get tougher. There is a heaviness in the voices and the very air.

As I read Garry's post on the latest conspiracy i began to think of Kucinich (the only tuned-in candidate who remains steadfast in his message) and lo and behold Jaycee's message pops up.

Oh i love serendipity! And sure do love this site.

karen

Small correction:

"Just remember in the winter, far beneath the _bitter_ snows
Lies the seed, that with the sun’s love, in the spring becomes the Rose"

The Repugs are crying that things are so bad in Iraq the public is not paying attention to the economic recovery. What economic recovery? Here's Paul Krugman to give you ammunition for that fabrication:
http://nytimes.com/2004/05/25/opinion/25KRUG.html?hp

Peace

wow, I may be late to the party, but you all sure got the place rockin'!! so much knowledge & wisdom here, it's inspiring. Sally, your words carry power, and this article has a different feel to it than it's predecessors. I hope that it's the Venus influence, because I've just about had it with 'ole Mr. Mars. Thank you for giving us your time and kind, generous spirit, and for offering a safe place to express our thoughts. Everyone here is so terrific; it truly provides great sustenance, mentally & spiritually. You sure throw a hell of a good shindig. Now I have to re-read everything..........:)

Sally,
There seems to be a general concensus that Bush has failed miserably in Iraq... even the NYT editorial says his speech last night was simply a statement of facts we already know... I had a lot of difficulty sleeping last night and when I woke this morning and starting surfing the news and blogs I ran across a really passionate piece written by a young poli sci major who is heading up a campaign for a Congressinal candidate --- he he blogs for BOP and DailyKos... he said this a.m. that he doesn't care if he loses his job or if he never works again, he has to speak out. His piece is powerfully passionate, calls for bringing to justice those in this country who have illegally taken us to war, who have committed war crimes and those journalists and politicians who have supported them...

This question of repudiation by the American people for what the rest of the world sees as crimes has been gnawing at me. This young man's article received numerous comments of support, from others who are ready to call for justice. I know their are others in our country who want the same. If a movement of this kind gained momentum it could bring about the termination of Bush's candidacy and possibility a change in the Demo candidate.

This is the kind of movement I have been 'seeing', the rising of the people in anger against the policies of this administration... a plutonian kind of movement that gets to the 'root' of our problems, so that 4, 8, 12 years they do not return to haunt us. Our failure to address this in Watergate and Iran-Contra has manifested into what we see today, in fact we see some of the same players.

Please read this article and comments and tell me what you 'feel' about it.

http://www.bopnews.com/archives/000757.html#757

Namaste

Before I get kicked off line as I tried to write in a bunch of times, Thanks Sally for that great article. I related to feeling alienated from this current society especially living here in the Land of Ultimate Maya, NYC. I do relate to what's being said here and rather spend my alone time being creative or meditating than caring about Manolo shoes. Who cares? Grew up with a clothing designer sister and my choice is rip out your labels!

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/05/25/bush_reacts/print.html

Marching off the cliff
Free-falling in the polls, Bush stayed with the same tough-guy message. But Michael Lind, Karen Kwiatkowski, Ruy Teixeira and others say he landed with a splat, while AEI's Michael Rubin says the speech was "a good start."

George W. Bush began and ended his speech with a brazen lie. He claimed that the United States is in Iraq to fight al-Qaida.

Before the war, Bush, Cheney and the neoconservatives did all they could to convince the American people that there was some link between Saddam Hussein's tyranny in Iraq and al-Qaida. They succeeded in deceiving a large number of Americans. Now Bush is trying the same trick again. He is trying to justify his failed and unnecessary war in Iraq by parading, once again, the corpses of those murdered by Osama bin Laden and his followers in New York, Washington and Bali. The shamelessness of George W. Bush is matched only by his contempt for the intelligence of the American people.

Near the beginning of his address, the president claimed: "Iraq is now the central front in the war on terror." The United States must prevail in Iraq to deny "the terrorists" a "base of operation" -- a reference to al-Qaida, presumably, with its need for bases for worldwide operations. As if to underline the implication that Iraq, like Afghanistan, had been a "base" for al-Qaida, Bush said: "This will be a decisive blow to terrorism at the heart of its power."

Bush repeated this lie at the end of his address. He accurately described al-Qaida as totalitarian and seeking to impose Taliban-like regimes throughout the Middle East. But then, with breathtaking cynicism, he linked the U.S. war in Iraq to al-Qaida once again, following a recitation of al-Qaida attacks in Tunis and Bali with a recitation of places in Iraq where American soldiers now are fighting and dying.

Karen Kwiatkowski, lieutenant colonel, U.S. Air Force (ret.), served in the Pentagon's secret intelligence unit, the Office of Special Plans, under Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. Salon published her cover story, "The New Pentagon Papers," in March; she currently teaches at James Madison University.

More....and worth the day pass

Pallas, I don't understand why Chalabi isn't under arrest if they 'know' that he's guilty of this.

I did not listen to the speech last night but I did get sound bites and news clips and have been listening to critiques on talk radio this am. The critical remarks were:

1. sounds like a wish list not a plan
2. he sounds weak and fearful
3. he just has set himself up for 5 weeks of free political air time.
4. someone said they heard Tony Blair last night and he didn't say what Bush said. Bush said that Iraq would have no veto power over the US military operations,and Blair said just the opposite (or the other way around, I didn't hear either.)

Excellent point, Sally. Why isn't Chalabi under arrest. They raided his home... but didn't arrest him. And Rumsfeld when told about the raid, denied knowing anything about it. The Administration appears to be split and at war with each other. One can't tell if they're doing cya or actually believe this guy did something. Is it an excuse to attack Iran? Who knows what's with these guys.

This is one of Salon's posts of the week. I thought it pretty well sums it up.

"White House

Gulf War II -- #4 -- Dedicated to Our Troops

Dr. Zachary Smith -- 07:23 am Pacific Time -- May 15, 2004 -- #3418 of 3958

I'm not posting from a position of moral relativism. One of the things that I find so awful and ironic and morbidly funny all at the same time is that the very folks who were telling us that morality is absolute are now telling us that it's okay to be evil because our evil is considerably less than their evil. I don't find both sides to be good in this conflict; I find both sides to be evil.

There are at least two Americas. There's my America and your America -- I'm making an assumption here, I admit it -- which is the America of the Deist founders, the America of Lincoln's second inaugural, the America of Thoreau and Whitman, of FDR and MLK Jr., of the part of the Pledge that I'm proud to say: one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Some posters on TT have derisively asked me what I'm for, and I find it easy to say: truth, justice, and the American way.

Then there's the other America (oh, I know I'm oversimplifying). It's the America of the United Fruit Company, the America of slavery and Indian genocide, the America of Custer and Curtis LeMay, the America of the Bush family and Father Coughlin and Rush Limbaugh, of Cheney and Halliburton.

Which America was attacked on 9/11? Which America was the target of bin Laden? Which America invaded Iraq, put hoods over men's heads, tortured and raped and murdered in the freshly painted torture rooms that once belonged to Saddam?

The problem, of course, is that we cannot separate ourselves so easily, one America from the other, in reality as we can in rhetoric. Indeed, in many Americans both Americas exist at once: Jefferson owned slaves and used them sexually; Lincoln was willing to suspend habeas corpus; FDR may have manipulated events in regard to Pearl Harbor. And in the mind of the world's citizens, the confusion must be tremendous.

We are now engaged in a great civil war, though not one shot has been fired by either side, to see whether this nation, or any nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men -- not just Americans -- are created equal and are endowed with dignity and are worthy of justice, can survive its darker self.

I believe that this is the last time in my generation in which a choice can be made for the soul of America. As apocalyptic as it sounds, I believe that events in the next few years will set this country on a course: either to fulfill what I believe to be its destiny, to stand for and fight for truth, justice, and the American way, or to become the New Rome, the empire that will justify its wars, torture, oppression, and murder in the name of safety, security, and standard of living. Daily I consider the possibility that it may already be too late, for us and the world. If I believed in a Divine who could hear us and answer our prayers, I would be on my knees imploring it every day that the choice was still before us, not behind us."

really good article and I have to agree with he writer, we are at a crossroads and it will set our destiny for for the next hundred years.

Sally, I read the Guardian article you linked. If these allegations prove to be true, it would really be ironic if not karmic that Iran set the US/Bushies up to dispose of Iraq considering their past shared hisory. The Bushies supported, funded and armed Iraq during the Iran:Iraq war. Now they(Iranians)seem to have patiently waited for their revenge against both Saddam and the Bushies.

sorry, I forgot to sign my post above.

Good, "dirty recruitment" story is out there. I'm satisfied now.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/052504A.shtml

Wow. The articles here today are awesome.

http://www.lex18.com/global/story.asp?s=1891343&ClientType=Printable

Former Soldier Claims He Was Beaten During Training Exercise In Cuba

In an exclusive interview with LEX 18's Leigh Searcy, a central Kentucky soldier says he was told to pose as the enemy for a training exercise at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba in January 2003 - and it nearly cost him his life.

Sean Baker was a member of the Kentucky National Guard from 1989 to 1997. During that time, he served in the Gulf War. In the late 90's, he got out of the Guard, but re-enlisted after September 11th.

In January 2003, Baker was a member of the 438th Military Police company in Operation Enduring Freedom at Guantanamo Bay, where he says he was "given a direct order by an officer in the U.S. Army" to play the role of a detainee for a training exercise.

"I was on duty as an MP in an internal camp where the detainees were housed," said Baker.

Baker claims that he was ordered to put on one of the orange jumpsuits worn by the detainees. "At first I was reluctant, but he said 'you'll be fine...put this on.' And I did," said Baker.

Baker says what took place next happened at the hands of four U.S. soldiers - soldiers he believes didn't know he was one of them - has changed his life forever.

"They grabbed my arms, my legs, twisted me up and unfortunately one of the individuals got up on my back from behind and put pressure down on me while I was face down," said Baker. "Then he - the same individual - reached around and began to choke me and press my head down against the steel floor. After several seconds, 20 to 30 seconds, it seemed like an eternity because I couldn't breath. When I couldn't breath, I began to panic and I gave the code word I was supposed to give to stop the exercise, which was 'red.'"

But, Baker says, the beating didn't stop. "That individual slammed my head against the floor and continued to choke me," he said. "Somehow I got enough air, I muttered out, 'I'm a U.S. soldier, I'm a U.S. soldier.'"

Baker says it wasn't until one of the soldiers noticed what Baker was wearing did the exercise stop. "He saw that I had BDU's and boots on."

Nearly 15 months after that day, and countless medical treatments at Walter Reed Hospital, Baker is now medically retired from the military, but still suffers.

"I sustained an injury to my brain a traumatic brain injury which has caused me to have a seizure disorder I deal with daily," said Baker.

Baker's traumatic brain injury is outlined in a military document in his possession, which says the injury "was due to soldier playing role as a detainee who was uncooperative."

In light of recent revelations of prisoner abuse in Iraq, Baker felt the need to come forward with his story.

"I feel like I've been betrayed by my own troops because I would never have done to any detainee what had been transpired in my life what happened to me," said Baker. "I don't want this to happen to anyone else, what I'm living with daily."

The Kentucky National Guard confirmed Baker was a member of the 438th Military Police company, but would not comment on the investigation of the incident other than to say it was a "tragic, tragic accident."

Jo, and all, this builds on you Sterling Newberry article upthread. What a wonderful mind!

http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/lydon/2003/10/27

From Sally's Guardian article:
Larry Johnson, a former senior counter-terrorist official at the state department, said: "When the story ultimately comes out we'll see that Iran has run one of the most masterful intelligence operations in history. They persuaded the US and Britain to dispose of its greatest enemy."
***
Unbelievable. This is playing out like a Shakespearian tragedy (or one of the Greek plays, Medea or something.) In 300 years, actors are going to be fighting over the chance to perform as the major characters in this drama. I'm just floored at the events that are surfacing...
~D

Sally & all,

To answer your question upthread, I think Chalabi is not under arrest (yet) because it would cause
great embarrassment to Rumsfeld (and Feith and Perle and Wolfowitz and the whole neo-con group).

I suspect Rumsfeld is demanding that he not be arrested. Besides that, to arrest him would reveal the fools dimson and the cabal have been - so it's delicate.

The in-fighting in the Pentagon and the WH must be
delicious . . . .to observe.

On a more serious note, if they are now calling
Chalabi a spy for Iran - (and IMHO he deserves to be hung - his attitude is and he has said, "who cares if WMD was a lie, what's important is we got
rid of Saddam" - glossing over the fact that it has cost upwards of 10,000 American boys and girls their limbs and 700 + lives) ....when will
they tag Perle, Feith, Wolfowitz and company spies
for Israel who engineered the entire war for the
benefit of Israel?

Partially true, they did engineer the whole thing - Perle and others have been known to be advisors to Israel in the past - but with anti-semitism on the rise in Europe, such a tag on the neo-cons could bring horrendous actions against Hebrews world wide.

Agree, Pallas18. I'm sensing a sort of hushed anticipation among the corridors of power in this country. All of the players know that once one of their number falls and the process of indictment and perhaps even death follows, a tidal wave will start wherein all are scrutinized with an eye to punishment to pay for their failed war. "Wildfire" I think that's called. And nobody's hands are truly clean in our government.
~D

Sharon Katz posted this on Isabelle's thread:

"With so much land surrounding Israel, I often wonder why some of it can't be donated by each country in that area. No one ever suggests that."

Sharon, the Palestinians were given part of Jordan's land and then were expelled when they tried to overthrow "the little King".

From what I understand Jordan was/is the most liberal of all the Arab countries, and certainly King Hussein was a decent human being. No Arab country wants them because they are intent on making that kind of trouble.

The question is if Israelis (and they really weren't, they were immigrants) could make an agricultural country out of the desert and produce colleges, doctors, hospitals, farms, educated people, why haven't the Palestinians done the same thing for themselves instead of trying to destroy the "oasis" in the desert ???

Rather than give them land, the other Arab countries should at least be helping them with the
engineering and education to make a real homeland out of where they are living.

They claim they live in squalor. It kind of reminds me of "the projects" . You could build nice apartments,only for the low income, and within a short time of those tenants moving in the place would be riddled with grafiti, filth, and crime.

I don;t understand why the Palestinians don't want to better themselves. They have no toilets? Some enterprising Palestinian must want to be a plumber, a carpenter, an electrician, a farmer, a storekeeper.

What the fluck is the matter with those people!

The Geneva Conventions were signed in 1949 by Harry S. Truman and ratified by the Congress as a direct results of World War II and the war crimes trials immediately after the war that revealed the barbarian atrosities. Not in 1882 at the previous Venus retrograde. In any event the Geneva Conventions are not related to Venus astrologically.

The Venus event presently under way has a great deal to do with revealing what is hidden. Between now and mid June the information about what has gone before throughout the war in Iraq will be amazing....even more so than right now....and it will be July before actual action of any consequence begins to happen.

Kerry is no fool....there is nothing he could say now that would improve or change the situation....and his positions are quite clear and don't need to be reviewed....it is far better to simply let Mr. Bush fall of his own weight....and anyone with even mild observation skills can see that Mr. Bush is wading in quicksand.....he seems to be the only one who is not sure!! He need to wise up or Saturn is soon going to have her way with him!! Saturn rules!!

Mr. Bush will not quit the race. Venus is in his first house and makes his personally quite stubborn....in the sense that what he thinks is good is always good, no matter what....a typical Taurus philosophical stance ruled by Venus. And Pluto is also stubborn and will not give up until absolute ruin has been achieved! As you could see in the presentation by Mr. Bush last evening he stubbornly repeated the same information with only a few embellishments and "stay the course" was left out and stated in more circumspect ways....but the same song just the same.

Not to worry, it will all work out quite well....just stay alert and keep looking at the charts...it's all there.

Ann,

Actually President Chester A. ARthur signed the
Geneva Convention treaty in 1882.

For the details, go to www.americanredcross.org
but here's some of it:

"U.S. Ratification of the Geneva Convention (1882)
The U.S. Congress ratified the Geneva Convention in (1882), which gave the American Red Cross an official basis for inclusion in the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement. Following years of extensive lobbying by Clara Barton and like-minded individuals, President James Garfield agreed that the 1864 Geneva Convention Treaty (Treaty of Geneva) should be signed. However, he was assassinated before he could sign the document.

On March 1, 1882, President Chester A. Arthur signed the treaty. The Senate ratified it on March 16, 1882. The United States was the 32nd nation to sign the document, agreeing to protect the wounded during wartime. The American Association of the Red Cross was officially recognized. In 1893, the organization was legally renamed the American National Red Cross. In 1978, aside from legal documents, the organization was to be called the American Red Cross to dispel the notion that the national headquarters and chapters were separate entities.



© Copyright 2001 The American National Red Cross. All Rights Reserved. CONTACT US | SITE DIRECTORY | PRIVACY POLICY

I read regularly and send articles to friends, but this is the first time I've posted. Sally writes "...someone must be able to give us, the people, a vision beyond what we have today and they will have to sustain it through the 2008 Election."

This is Dean NOT Kerry. Kerry lacks that vision thing. I know there are those here who, like me, were hoping Dean would be the candidate.

There is a petition at

www.draftdeanforvp.org

that goes to the Kerry campaign and to Democracy for America (Dean's new organization). Almost 700 people have signed it already in less than a week.

This may be a longshot, but we've heard that because of Nader polling as high as 17% in several states, the Kerry campaign is taking it's first SERIOUS look at Dean.

Please consider signing the petition. It's not necessary to fill out all of the fields if you don't want to give as much info as it asks for.

Sally, I love your astute political and human as well as astrological perceptions. I always wait for your and Nancy's articles to be posted. Is it possible to take a look at a Dean VP'ship?

If occultations are similar to eclipses, (even if they are 200 + years apart) then we can expect the
same issues to be addressed:

In 1882 these were the issues:

The last Venus occultation in 1882 was when the United States Congress passed "The Chinese Exclusion Act". the beginning of Immigration Laws.

It was also when Standard Oil (the Rockefellers and a few other famous names) was founded.

And it was also 1882 WHEN THE UNITED STATES SIGNED ONTO, RATIFIED THE GENEVA CONVENTION !!!!

1) We're still excluding,immigration laws are under attack and revision

2) the problem is still oil (which IMHO should be nationalized in this country!,

3) and obviously The Geneva Convention is a major
issue right now.

We know where the oil matter is going, and we more or less know where the question of immigration is going - both downhill.

For our purposes, and I mean the people who attend
Sally's salon, i.e. "discussion group" here, it seems to me the most important issue to look at is The Geneva Convention chart, progressed and transited - for therein lies the saving of America from the neo-cons.

This is almost biblical.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040525/ids_photos_ts/r2552058483.jpg

Sally you should be so proud of your site..the writings get better, although they've ALWAYS been top notch, and you're averaging about 100 comments a day!

Yes, Jeannie...Bush does plan to go to Istanbul which puts him probably in Iraq for June 30. As well as Blair. But first he has to pass June 9. Then he can concern himself with that missing 747 which is in Africa and preparing something I'm sure. Sea Island Georgia? The Green Zone of Iraq? Pretty wild.

Now, Sally, isn't it important to mention, even though you are extremely wary of him, that the VENUS OCCULTATION, is trine within 1 degree of Ralph Nader's first house north node? Which conjuncts his Saturn, AND that said Venus retrogrades back to trine his natal Venus in the first house, by one degree, then moves forward. At the point of the Dem convention (dates please?), the last two weeks of July, Ralph has Venus in a grand trine to his 1st House North Node, 1st House Saturn (a trine to this could mean getting to the 'top of the mountain at the end of the day'), as well as that trine to his natal Jupiter, in his 9th house of the press, which sits at the top of Ralph's chart? Could this not mean that the press, eager to make a story, and a love(ly - venus), story might grow bored with Kerry's seemingly manipulative shenanigans in regards to accepting or not accepting the nomination, Bush they've already put to sleep, virtually, and decide to embrace that menace, Ralph???? It's all there astrologically.

Do you see the possibility of this Sally? Venus, because of the occultation, is already being felt. Venus is coming: I know of atleast two boys, age 12 and 10, who do not know of each other, who are all of a sudden demanding guitars!

I think venus is very important to watch this year, and considering it's hitting one presidential candidate in the 1st house of image, and 9th house of press in a grand trine, REALLY deserves mentioning here dear Sally!

(Ralph though is in a bit of danger in late August and I dread a Bobby Kennedy type of happening. No fear of Bush EVER becoming a martyr, but Ralph, with all he's ever done for the people, as well as being a Pisces, it is a heartbreaking thought.)

Did Smirky's speech last night make you feel more confident about his Eye-rack policy? Go vote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh052404.shtml

DON’T LOOK BACK (PART 4)! Powell pimped some iffy Scuds. Bob Woodward knew how to spin them:

DEJA NOUS: No, of course, it’s no In America. But we do recommend the re-release of The Battle of Algiers (1965). The first half of the film is better drama, but the second half becomes simply eery as a preview of Abu Ghraib. Toward the end, the script seems to come from this past months’s newspapers; it provides a remarkable bit of deja vu. And of course, since the French (and French-looking) lose out in the end, Fox pundits can enjoy this film too.

PART 1: Pundits snoozed on the road to Iraq. Jim Lehrer has a strange explanation. See THE DAILY HOWLER, 5/17/04.

PART 2: When Hamza did Hardball, the public got hoaxed. Why won’t the press corps discuss it? See THE DAILY HOWLER, 5/19/04.

PART 3: Why is Zarqawi still walking around? The press corps keeps dodging the topic. See THE DAILY HOWLER, 5/22/04.
And now, for today’s final episode:

DON’T LOOK BACK (PART 4): It would have been “difficult” to “go against the grain” in the months leading up to Iraq, Lehrer said. And yes, the pattern seems to be holding; even today, the press corps seems to find it “difficult” to look back on that period. Even today, awkward story lines get ignored–and the conduct of press corps favorites gets puffed. Let’s consider a final example. Let’s review the way Bob Woodward looked back at the corps’ greatest icon, Colin Powell.

On February 5, 2003, Powell went before the United Nations to argue for war in Iraq. Six months later, on August 9, the Associated Press published a lengthy story, showing that much of what Powell said had turned out to be faulty or bogus. But today, within the mainstream press, everyone knows how to play this topic. For example, here was Woodward with Tim Russert on the April 25 Meet the Press:

More....

I don't know who posted the pic of Bush boarding the plane above with caption 'this is almost biblical' --- but there is nothing biblical about Periodical cicadas... they surface EVERY 17 years.

CNN is asking another one of its odd questions (Should U.S. allies assume greater responsibility after the June 30th handover of Eye-rack?). Well, whatever it means, you can vote:
http://www.cnn.com

Pallas 18,
Your comments above about Palestinians are disturbing to me, as they contain disinformation. So much so that I would have to write an epistle to deal with it.

Please, you are entitled to your opinion but it is inappropriate to bring disinformation to the board. Whatever do you mean by:

"what the 'fluck' is wrong with these people?"

Peace

JODY:

WELCOME to Astroworld. I hope you will post
often. After Al Gore decided to not run again,
I became an enthusiastic DEANIAC. I was not
aware that there was a movement to draft Dr. Dean.

I'll make sure my friends are aware of it.

Thank you!!!

Here is the site that has the entire Geneva Convention document and Protocols that are currently being debated and abused.

http://pbosnia.kentlaw.edu/resources/legal/un/victims.htm

The other really big thing that 1882 ties in with is, in May of that year Russian Czar Alexander III established laws aimed at ridding Russia of Jews. This apparently followed a rumor that Jews had been involved in the assassination of Alexander II in 1881. That then led to a substantial influx of Jewish migrants into western and southern Europe, adding to anti jewish sentiment there. As a result, wealthy, influential european jews started the zionist movement in an attempt to find a political home for jews, which as we all know culminated in the creation of an Israeli state. Again, massive immigration, this time to the middle east area, by people who had basically become more european than middle eastern over the generations, subsequently disrupted the people that already lived there creating misunderstandings and difficulties that continue to this day.

Jo,

I was answering Sharon's wondering why other Arab countries did not share their land with the
Palestinians.

The "disinformation" as you call it is what others call history. Among other sites which relate the Palestinian activities against their host, the King of Jordan and their attempt to overthrow his government, is this one, recounting the events of Black September.

http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/bravo/blacksept1970.htm

It is an interesting history.
" By late 1968, the main fedayeen activities in Jordan seemed to shift from fighting Israel to attempts to overthrow Hussein."

Please dont accuse me of posting "disinformation"
here. And you are correct, I am entitled to my opinion, which others call history. And although
I have not been to the Middle East myself I do know other people who have been and who speak in wonder that you can stand in Israel and it is green and look across to Palestine and it is desert.

If you would care to explain why the Palestinians
in 56 years have not made their land green and productive as the Israelis have I would be interested in reading the reason.

Otherwise I will go on wondering what the fluck is the matter with those people. I think you understand exactly the meaning of that frustrating expression when they prefer to kill and go on warring rather than agree to a peace plan that would give them return of most of their lands and living in peace.

And before you say why should they accept only a return of "most of their lands" which Israel conquered in the 67 war, I would remind you that Israel is the only nation on the face of the earth that has ever had to give back lands conquered in a war.

I'm an American. However I do think that until dimson became resident, Israel was in the right.
Certainly their more recent actions have crossed the line.

Yasser Arafat stealing the millions that were to go to "his people" to better their lives and buying himself a home in France and Swiss bank accounts offends me.

Palestinian suicide bombers blowing men, women and children apart on buses and at restaurants offends me.

The British conquered those lands and divided it up. Fairly or unfairly, it was and is the "rule of
law". After 56 years you'd think the Palestinians would get on with making their homes and lives productive. That's what I mean when I say what the fluck is the matter with those people!

What a wonderful piece of commentary. Thanks Sally!

In regards to the China issue, I have always thought that the various Chinese philosophies, religions, and worldviews were particularly well suited for stewarding the global society. Perhaps we will soon find out.

Corleonis, I tracked down that photo of Bu$h holding his hand up to the camera, and I'm again stating your request that WE NEED AN EXPERT PALMIST TO CHECK THIS OUT!!!

The photo is located in the thread titled, ahem, "Photo Editors launch brutal Image War on Whistle Ass" and it is post #702 by the Kenosha Kid. You may have to become a member first before you can view this:
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/viewtopic.php?topic=28696&forum=14

(You know, for all it's faults, you've really gotta Love the Smirking Chimp!)
Namaste~
~D

Interesting article from LA Weekly posted back in November of 2003, featuring views of Gore Vidal.

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/03/52/features-cooper.php

Ann,

As an astrologer, I prefer to use the original birthchart.

For instance for New York City I use the chart
for New York of 1653, as Noel Tyl does.

For the establishment of the US ratifying the
Geneva Convention rules I would use the 1882 chart rather than this century.

What I am looking for as an astrologer is the relation of the last Venus occultation in 1882 with regard to the Geneva Convention original signing and what it's chart and transits to it will tell me about the events the current Venus occultation will indicate. The 1949 signing will not give me that information unless there was another Venus occultation in 1949. Does anyone know if there was?

Considering what this administration has done to
the Geneva Convention rules, I wouldn't be surprised if Pluto is very much involved.

http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2004/05/20/news/01first.txt

Bush protesters want investigation of police

People who protested President Bush's La Crosse appearance May 7 are asking for an investigation into police conduct toward protesters and are questioning the presence of Fort McCoy soldiers at the event.

A group calling itself Coulee Region Concerned Citizens met with La Crosse Mayor John Medinger on Wednesday, accusing police and "Republican Party operatives" of violating their First Amendment rights and other acts.

The group asked U.S. Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., to investigate who paid for about 260 service members from Fort McCoy to attend the rally.

"In a democratic society, the police force is supposed to be an independent, nonpartisan force," said Guy Wolf of Stoddard, Wis., a member of the group. "Instead, they appeared to be acting on the behalf of the Republican Party."

"Citizens were physically pushed and shoved off sidewalks by police officers," Wolf said.

"They said we did not belong there," said Barbara Frank of La Crosse, who had gathered with other protesters on Copeland Avenue after the rally. They were waiting to protest when the president's bus drove by on the way to the airport.

"The way they videotaped us was extremely disconcerting," said Frank, a Sierra Club official. "The last time I was scrutinized like that was at Checkpoint Charlie in East Berlin. It was like we were enemies of the state."

"I know all these folks," Medinger said Wednesday. "They're good, upstanding people. They're not anarchists. They did a very American thing, protesting against their government."

snip

Police "herded protesters far from the stadium and park, and off the public sidewalks."

Police told protesters they would be arrested for making noise, "citing a 55-year-old Supreme Court ruling on an irrelevant subject."

"Pro-Bush demonstrators were allowed to assemble and make noise in the same areas from which anti-Bush demonstrators were ejected."

Police misused police chaplains for crowd control, violating the "separation of church and state."

Police intimidated protesters by videotaping them "where there was no reasonable suspicion of criminal activity."

After the rally, police failed to protect anti-Bush protesters, who claim they were "shoved and spat at" by people leaving the Bush rally.

n Soldiers from Fort McCoy were bused to the rally and given tickets by the Republican Party, violating "the absolute prohibition against the military engaging in political activities."

Breaking News - 8 PM EDT

KNBC - Los Angeles

Al-Quida in USA and to launch major attack this
summer, FBI to hold news conference tomorrow...
Will proabably be on every channel now.

"presence of Fort McCoy soldiers at the event."

uh-oh

WV, $%^&*()(*&^%$! If only we had a trustworthy administration, and could be sure it isn't a hoax. What a world.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/25/politics/25ABUS.html?pagewanted=print&position=

C.I.A. Bid to Keep Some Detainees Off Abu Ghraib Roll Worries Officials

The Central Intelligence Agency's practice of keeping some detainees in Abu Ghraib prison off the official rosters so concerned a top Army officer and a civilian official there that they reached a written agreement early this year to stop.

An undated copy of the memorandum was obtained by The New York Times. It was described as an agreement between the Army intelligence unit assigned to the prison and "external agencies," a euphemism for the C.I.A., to halt practices that bypassed both military rules and international standards.

Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba, the Army officer who first investigated the prison abuses, concluded in his classified report that the practice of allowing what he called "ghost detainees" at the prison was "deceptive, contrary to Army Doctrine, and in violation of international law." He complained that military guards were being enlisted to hide the prisoners from the Red Cross.

The memorandum provides the clearest indication to date that military officials were troubled by the practice even before General Taguba wrote his report.

A senior intelligence official said last week that the practice was intended "to keep the capture of a small number of terrorists quiet for some time," but was discontinued in January.

More...

They're keeping the alert level on yellow, however, so there's no need to rush out and buy more plastic sheeting and duct tape.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

cnn now has a pretty straight-forward question for you: Do you think the outcome of the presidential election hinges on what happens in Eye-rack? Go vote.

from the MSNBC article:
“There is clearly a steady drumbeat of information that they are going to attack and hit us hard,” said the official, who described the intelligence as highly credible.
***
This is exactly the sort of thing that needs to get dispelled IMMEDIATELY.

Let me translate for you:
"Who the hell knows but imagine how frikkin' bad that would be," said Adam's Younger Brother, who described this tidbit of nothingness as something you should be buying.

I'll tell you where we are right now, we are in the Information War part of the struggle. The Internet Underground and the Mainstream Media are about to make their grab for power. All of the networking that's done on the Internet needs to dispel this vagueness ASAP. As far as I'm concerned, unless I see credible information I'm not buying it, ie. if the government knows something, they need to share a hell of a lot more than they've been sharing up until now.

The Government's reputation is shot and the media need to pick a side. Those journalists can get better information than this. I SAW them tear into Bu$h at the press conference, they're not stupid. If we get a bunch of this type of vague information that we're supposed to believe it's obvious that they're snarking us.
~D

Not again!

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/may2004/terr-m25.shtml

PS Sorry I gotta rant.

That means I want to know WHO said this, in WHAT context, and I want them to be held accountable for EVERY BIT of money and panic that results from this.

I'm sorry, I'm sick of this s***. We all are. This is NOT going to be the way this summer develops. The Internet has about 500x more credibility than anything coming out of the Government. A damn monkey can see that.

Your job, my heroic reader, is to start spreading FACTUAL KNOWLEDGE about the state of things NOW to WHOEVER WILL LISTEN to you.
~D

We wouldn't want anyone thinking about this.

http://news.independent.co.uk/low_res/story.jsp?story=524675&host=3&dir=75

Afghanistan, the war the world forgot

or this

War returns with a vengeance as allies fail the Afghan people

or this

Karzai sees chance of survival slip as pledged aid dries up

this will be a loss....

http://www.yellowtimes.org/print.php?sid=1935

...more good reading..

http://www.yellowtimes.org/print.php?sid=1936

....food for thought....

http://www.yellowtimes.org/print.php?sid=1943

True, we have good reason not to believe anything
this government says - on the other hand, intuition says there's going to be another hit in
this country (or two) and frankly most of the astrologers see a very rough summer and fall, whether it turns out to be weather, volcanoes or
explosions.

In July Mars trines Pluto,
September Mars squares Pluto
October Mars sextiles Pluto

and that's not even looking at Saturn, Neptune and
Uranus or aspects to the US chart or dimson's chart or Wash Dc.

It might be better for Americans to be on alert rather than discounting that a real danger exists,
no?

I don't think the problem is that we don't take these vague warnings seriously, Pallas18. The problem is the very vagueness. I doubt that many people are blase enough these days to think that everything's just hunkey-dorey and we are all safe and Santa Claus will land his sleigh on each of our rooftops Xmas Eve and deliver bunches of toys. And maybe the gov't is honestly telling us what they know--but there is that concern that they are also just trying to keep us scared silly.

Sally, Nancy, somebody--when is the most likely time for a threat to materialize?

All I'm saying is that it is a good idea to get your news from credible sources. We need to start investigating this stuff ourselves. Cross~reference your sources, use an astrology website if it gives you an alternate method of looking at things.

The whole purpose of Tarot Cards is as a method for proposing alternate endings to situations. Whether they work or not is really pretty much irrelevant to the fact that you are sitting there pondering how different actions might lead to multiple outcomes.

Disinformation has been the hallmark of this administration. The ability to discern between reality and the lie is going to be pressed as never before.

Perhaps I am a bit high strung today. The personal events of the last 24 hours have been very straining to me.

"Go back to sleep" was not the intention of my post.
~D

here is the story on possible attacks...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5061256/

...developings on CNN..

http://www.cnn.com/

Understood Shylurker.

But then again didn't wacko wahabee usama send out a tape a month or two ago? and so did his side kick tonto the doctor? and now we have this new nut, the palestinian who is trying to become
a "made man" and get Usama's attention and money by beheading an American on tape.

Usually when the head wahabee says he's going to
hit, he does. That's what scary. Not our dumb
govt.

Pallas and Dommael:

You are both right. Pallas, the astrologers are
right on the money about their dire warnings....

On the other hand, Dommael is also right when he
demands to know a lot more from the so-called
'government' about what's really going on. We
have been lied to and 'BSed' so much by this un-
godly bunch of knaves, that we are getting very
angry.

I personally will take the advice of you BOTH.

Thank you,

...more on Chalabi...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4932487-103550,00.html

...a speech by Bill Moyers...http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/printer_052604B.shtml

Military Draft: Neo Con Agenda Makes it Necessary
Republicans Borrow and Spend to get Cannon Fodder

http://congress.org/congressorg/issues/alert/?content_dir=ua_congressorg&alertid=5916141

I'd like to get some feedback on this, please.
Namaste~
~D

Jo, Pallas,

Please don't argue with each other about the Palestinian-Israeli situation. My post was about the fact that Israel also has its side of the story and Israel/the Jews has/have not had it so easy either. I've noticed that no one was speaking up for Israel on this board and I felt hurt and decide that I had to. We Jews are very sensitive about anti-Semitism, but I will be the first to tell you that I wish Israel was handling things differently.

At this point, both sides are partially right and both sides are partially wrong. I believe Arafat has been corrupt and I believe all the financial aid coming in from the U.S. and Europe to the Palestinians has not always been used wisely. We don't know for sure but at least some has been funnelled to the terrorists. As far as the plight of the Palestinian people and their treatment by Israel, I know it is bad. What I don't know is how much of it is Israel oppressing them and how much is their own bad, possibly corrupt, leadership as well as their desire to look like perpetual victims and thereby garner world sympathy. They have done a good job. Many actually seem to feel even sorrier for them after the suicide bombings - after all, look at the degree of desperation their oppressors have driven them to. What many don't realize is there is an element there of wanting Israel's destruction no matter what they have to do to achieve it.

It's not for me to say, but the Clintonian peace deal seemed like a good one, much more liberal than any Israeli leader before or after Barak wanted it to be. Yet it wasn't good enough - Arafat and the Arab League wanted the perfect deal (I guess). I believe the refugees who have lost land should be compensated and I'm not sure if that was in the deal or not. But that deal is long gone. At the same time, the Palestinian population is quickly outnumbering Israel's and they will not have room for all these refugees to return.

As of late, the "Geneva" peace plan has been designed and offered up by non-government people from each side and I believe Colin Powell even took at look at it. I hear it is very promising. Which leads me to ask the question, if people REALLY want peace, why don't they make sure to have it! Sometimes it is a matter of determination.

Jo, I would be interested and glad to hear anything you have to add, if you have the time, as I have much to learn about this. And, Pallas, thanks for supplying all the information that you have contributed.

We all have to remember (me, too) that this is a situation where we want to find a cooperative, win-win solution.

As far as the Al Queda stuff, let's surround ourselves, each other, our loved ones, our earth with penetrating and buffering beautiful, loving peaceful white light. There is nothing to be afraid of. If we leave the earth, we are only going home.

And may it especially encompass you, Morgana.

Love,
Sharon

***
As far as the Al Queda stuff, let's surround ourselves, each other, our loved ones, our earth with penetrating and buffering beautiful, loving peaceful white light. There is nothing to be afraid of. If we leave the earth, we are only going home.

And may it especially encompass you, Morgana.
***
I will second that, Sharon.
~D

Such a complex issue Sharon, Jo & Pallas. Have any of you seen what Marjorie Orr has written about the State of Israel on her website? Food for thought - maybe only some sort of major reorganization will change the dynamics for both sides.
----------------
Born in the midst of the brutally difficult period of the post war years, Israel with the formidable and frightening Mars Saturn Pluto conjunction close to its Leo Moon and squaring its Taurus Sun was never going to have an easy ride. Annhilate or be annhilated, be the victim or be the aggressor - there seem only two choices possible out of this chart.

A tremendous spirit of fortitude and determination, and huge resources for periods of continuing crisis - Israel has all these in abundance. But whether she has the capacity for peace is questionable, or indeed a capacity for real transformation. Too many fixed planets, including Taurus, are always indicators of extreme resistance to change. Oak trees which blow down in a hurricane rather than bend.

In addition the Taurus Moon’s North Node tied into the central energy of the chart hint at a self perpetuating need for constant turmoil. Schulman suggests that peace only comes with these nodes when a real connection with the earth and nature is made, through tilling the soil and growing a garden.

Could someone provide an update on Morgana? Please?

Let's see 9/11/2001 and 3/11/2004. What about 6/11/2004? Interesting transits on that day (Sun opp Pluto, Moon sq Saturn, Moon sext Neptune, Moon inconj Jupiter, Moon sext the Venus-Mercury conj (I know the moon travels so fast that those transits will come and go quickly on that day), and Mars just past an inconj to Pluto, NN wide sext to Uranus. And that's just aspects for the day--haven't even looked at US chart, etc.

In addition to the wealth of information and expert interpretations here at astroworld, I did find (simply goggled it up) the following. I know nothing about this site or the person responsible for it, BTW. I just thought it was interesting.
http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/04_articles/2004/03_madrid.htm

The best astrological time for an event to manifest? Astrology is the study of energy and how it might manifest, well it's been manifesting every single solitary day. It's been manifesting in Iraq, Palestine, Africa, it errupted today in the midwest with horrible floods and storms and whole towns have been wiped out, people have died. You have to understand energy, it errupts when there is a build up and then reforms someplace else. I actually expected an earthquake somewhere through the pacific coast states.

Trying to figure out if energy is going to errupt and where is like finding a needle in a haystack. I do know there is bickering going on in the Republican Party right now, and that's energy being expended.

When we ask the question of when or where might a terrorist attack, we are really asking if it will affect ME, so it's our own fears we must ultimately face and for me it is the fear of my own government who have turned out to be terrorists and I don't know how far their thrist for absolute power will take them or how many of us will be hurt by them. It's been reported that in reality the Al Qaeda is in disarry without anything or any way to attack us, so these would be one of the new enemies our government has made, or it could be some our own homegrown terrorists, like the people in Texas storing enough explosivies to blow up half the country before they were caught. Who were they and how many more are there like them and where are they.

The reality is we have not been safe for years, there's been the unibomber, the KKK, the militia, the School of the Americas, remember the people in the late 60's and early 70's who blew up buildings? Dommael is right, it's our job to find out the truth of these things to the best of our ability and speak that truth.

As far as something happening here, except for storms, earthquakes, plane crashes and auto crashes I think when Saturn opposes the US Pluto in the fall there could be some dire happenings.

Pallas, I can see you linking America's involvement and relationship with the Geneva Convention, but not for the Geneva Convention itself to the Venus transit, since that seems to be more about global events.
The first Geneva Convention was inspired by a Swiss man in 1864 as part of the founding of the Red Cross (hence the insignia) following a bloody French/Austrian conflict, and was initially adopted by 16 european states.

Terribly destructive flooding in the DR and Haiti, too, Sally.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040526/D82Q04D01.html

The thing about astrology is that after the fact there are all kinds of aspects one can look toward to prove or show why it happened, but then to recreate to project into the future where there it would happen again is almost guess work.

I have been troubled since 9/11 as to the message of the specific day. Sometimes the perpetrators leave message and then there is the danger of there being copy cat reproductions of the same event, as in Madrid. But the Universe also leaves messages and it's those messages that astrologers pour over. For me it was Mercury at 14 degrees Libra, right on the Asc. and conj. the US Saturn. Mercury in the 9/11 chart fell in the US 10th house, and 9/11 Mars squared US Midheaven almost exact. The 9/11 Mars was also coming to a conjunction to the 9/11 South Node and the North Node set on the US Venus.

All this relates to value, what we in America value. Money comes to mind, money, wealth, material security. With Saturn ruling the US 2nd house cusp and the 9/11 South Node in Capricorn we are fearing the loss of our way of life at a very deep level. When Saturn hits 14 degrees Cancer, squaring our Saturn and the 9/11 Mercury we will be very fearful of what is to come for us and that is in mid-June.

To me, with the ruler of the US Mid-Heaven being Venus and 9/11 NN exactly on Venus, US Saturn in the 10th house of leadership and 9/11 Mercury on that Saturn indicates our leaders to me.

Watch carefully June 15,16,17,18,19,20 what our leaders Bush/Cheney etc do and say on those days and you might get a clue to what is coming in the October surprise which I judge to be on or near Oct. 5th, 2005. I just don't see anything really big for us until then.

Whew! Thanks, Sally! It does make me furious that some of the comments being made by officialdom seem more like threats than warnings.

I wish I had paid more attention Shylurker to this pattern, I just noticed it in Dec. so I don't have a very long record. BUT I've noticed that everytime they send out one of these threats some kind of scandal seems to follow. Have you or anyone else paid attention or noticed that? I only noticed the scandals that would preceed these threats, not the scandals that followed. I just said to a friend, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE THEY SAID THIS IS THE MOST CHATTER SINCE 9/11, a ton of times, in fact everytime.

It is not the land in the Middle East so much as the water. If you have the water, you can irrigate. If you do not have water you can not green up stuff. The whole place is a desert.The Israelis control more water and use it for themselves. All the countries in the Middle East have water problems and they always have had water problems. Water is worth a lot more than oil to everyone in that area of the world.

As I live and teach in China, I had a similiar interest in a few small rocks in the Pacific. Why would anyone want them? It is not the land but the fact that a county which controls the small uninhabitable rock can claim a large surrounding area of ocean for fishing rights and maybe even control some sea routes for shipping.

They have so many scandals, Sally, that it's actually hard for me to pinpoint if a threat comes before a scandal, during one, or after one. Darn! I should have been keeping a record of all this stuff and put it into a nice graph.

Here we warn again

I love it, we have a very "scary", "credible threat" that there will be an attack this summer. Hmmm just in time for dimson's sagging poll numbers, or so the neocons think. Someone posted earlier that after every "alert" a major scandal surfaces. I agree, I beleive that these these warnings alerts are to distract us form the crap floating to the surface and wnat to run to Big Daddy bush jr to "stay the course" and save us. The bigger the warning= the bigger the turd about to hit the fan. Look out it's a big one coming!
AStro Am

I can't believe no one wants to discuss Venus.

Latest update on an ongoing scandal:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/26/politics/26ABUS.html?ei=5062&en=287e1d352ea01519&ex=1086148800&partner=GOOGLE&pagewanted=print&position=

I'm with you Roxanne. I would love to talk more about venus - if I knew more. My Natal venus (sag) will oppose the transit exact, while my husband's midheaven will conjunct!
But back to world effects, I particularly would like to know if anyone has thoughts regarding the correlation to the beginning of the Jewish migrations out of russia at the time of the last Venus Transit in 1882. I just recently learned of that date and to me it feels really significant.

Yes,I too would like to hear how Morgana is doing.
Betcha she's making compresses of herbs for healing or thinking about it anyway. :)

Sharon,
Your thoughts are always gentle.

I remember reading that Arafat had said, "yes Barak had agreed to everything the Palestinians had wanted - but if he (Arafat) had agreed to Clinton's peace plan he would have been assassinated. (so much for putting the well being and cause of your people above yourself)

What he said right there, was that the Palestinians don't want peace, and really don't want the land per se. What they do want is the
Israelis "pushed into the ocean"; a claim the Israelis have often made and which Arafat's refusal to a peace accord offering everything the Palestinians had pretended they wanted, puts the truth.

An enigma. An unsolveable puzzle. 6 million people surrounded by 1.5 billion haters. I had heard that the tax rate in Israel was 50 percent.
They have survived for 56 years. Certainly a miracle. But how much longer can they do it?

So I decided to do a little googling.

Out of 6 billion people in the world only 13 million of them are Jews, and that number is declining through assimilation. What percentage of the world population would that be? less than 1/4 of one percent of the entire world population.

If they were birds they would be on the endangered species list...for they are certainly on that list as human beings.

"Jews make up 77.2% of Israel's population, Muslims 15.4%, Christians 2.1%, Druze 1.6% and unaffiliated citizens 3.5%. The percentage of Israeli residents who are Arab is 19%, about the same as it was when the country was established in 1948."

( I once had a conversation with a group of young Druze men from Israel and was astonished to learn that the Druze people believe in re-incarnation, you might say religiously and gave me examples of young Druze children remembering their recent past lives )

If in 1948 the Arab population of Palestine/Israel was 19% and in 2003 it is 19%
how can all those Arabs who are not in Israel be claiming that their land was taken from them by
Israel in 1948?

When one considers that this group of people total 1/4 of one percent of the entire world population, their achievements are astonishing:

http://www.arthurhu.com/index/jewish.htm

By Percentage
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100% CA Senators 1996
85% College age jews in college
76% Most influential intellectuals Alan Dershowitz
60% Yale Grad students
60% Top Hollywood positions 60 min
58% Directors, writers, producers in 2 or more TV series
50% Greg McDivitt estimate of "Millionaire" contestants
40% Partners at best NY and DC law firms
40% American Nobel laureates science economics
20-30% Westinghouse Science Prize
30% Faculty at elite college
30% Supreme Court law clerks
27% Ivy League Survey
26% Reporters, editors, execs in print broadcast media
26% US Law Professors (Volokh UCLA)
25% ACM Turing Award
23% 1982 Forbes 500 richest Americans
23% Top 100 wealthy Canadians
21% High level civil servants
17% Boston Symphony Strings
17% Nobel Physiology and Medicine
16% Time Most Important 25
15% McArthur "Genius" Awards 1981-97
15% Time 20 20th Century Inventors
15% USA Today College Academic Team
14% Clinton Cabinet 1997
13% senior corp exec under 40
11% Nobel Physics Prize
10% Pulitzer 1997
10% US Senate
10% US college faculty
8% Who's Who 1975
7.7% Corporate Boards
7.4% senior corporate exec
7.0% Forbes HiTech 100 1997
3.0% US Voters 1996
2.0% US Population
2.0% Who's Who 1944
0.25% World Popluation

I met a friend's father who is a survivor of
Auschwitz. He wears the tattoo on his arm, and he told me a joke that goes like this:

God told the Jews they were his chosen people.
And they answered, "Please, choose somebody else already."

When Syria conquered Judea in 722 BCE they expelled the Jews from Judea which had been their homeland for a thousand years. And that appears to have been the beginning of the Jews' problems and constant dispersion.

Why are these high achievers, a tiny percentage of the world population, who obviously have contributed much to the world in the arts, medicine, music and every field listed above, so abhorred?

I'd truly like an explanation if someone could offer a rational explanation. (And don't tell me because they killed Jesus - the expulsions began 700 years before Jesus)

All,

forgive me if I bored you with the statistics above.

Sally,

you said "With Saturn ruling the US 2nd house cusp and the 9/11 South Node in Capricorn we are fearing the loss of our way of life at a very deep level. "

That is profoundly true.

And it is a fait accomplis. We've lost it.

I think the current fear is whether we will be able to get it back - not the material way of life - but the freedom to move around, travel without fear - will we be able to get back the
psychology that we do have freedom and a democracy- that we are a free people, and not the
police state we see and hear and feel around us.

I think that is the "way of life" we are fearing
is gone forever.

Boy, there sure are some profound posters on this site!

Yourself included, Pallas18.

Aloha all :)

Thanks, Sally. I have been reading articles here for ages but have never posted before.

I think the Venus occultation will lead to the rediscovery of our 10th planet (Nibiru) Sitchen wrote a book called the 12th Planet way back in the 1970s. I thought it was an amazing book. I think this Venus occultation will be along those lines - something really, really big.

I have also thought for quite some time that the election will be different. Either that it won't happen or there is going to be something very strange happen. I think perhaps Al Gore will be called upon to serve the country, Clinton can't run again & the Democrats are going to need someone who can step in towards the end, someone with name recognition who can win the election. There aren't that many people who could do that at a late point. Maybe a Gore/Clinton ticket? The Constitution only prevents Clinton from being elected President again, technically he could be the Vice President.

Godspeed Morgana. I hope your recovery is swift & sure :)

Morague

Morague, welcome from all of us.

Your comments about a Gore/Clinton aren't the first time I heard that. I read that or saw an interview with that potential expressed. That would certainly be something different.

There are all kind of possibilities out there and all of them have an interesting twist. I listened to an interview tonight with General Zinni and he was great I wondered what he might be doing on Nov. 2.

The Venus Occultation:

Remember the Venus transit comes in pairs with an eight year gap, nothing will happen suddenly, it will unfold over time. As far as Venus being in Gemini and retrograde right now, we will be treated to a little more frivolity. More creams and potions and surgeries to make us feel and look young. They may even discover the DNA fountain of youth. Venus in Gemini is young, shallow, whimsical, flirty, fun and most of all is determined to stay young and thin forever.

Venus for her immediate future will lighten us up and that is something to embrace. It's a little intense these days. Get a facial, a massage, a new dress for summer, exercise, lose weight, Venus will support you. Retrograde? Old loves might return, if you break up with someone wait until Venus goes direct and then see where you are, if you start seeing someone new, wait til Venus goes direct and then see where you are. Money that is owed you might come back to you and careful about buying something of value, it might not turn out to be what you want on her direct motions.

So don't look for the martians to drop out of the sky on June 8th or a new planet to suddenly appear that will unfold over time, but you can flirt, sing, dance and laugh, and play around with the fountain of youth.

Thank you Dommael. I am truly complimented to be
included in such company.

Hi Morague. There was a large planet recently discovered, but we haven't heard much more about it. What attributes did he say this 10th planet would have?

"Something really really big"

Well, we are out there exploring space and Mars.
What if "they" are also exploring us? The UFO's in
Mexico. For some reason earthlings have this ego that there can't be anyone else in the universe but us earthlings.

My own theory is that we have been visited by "others" before and thus the bible refers to "sons of man" and differentiates "sons of God." The location of God is always up - looking up at the heavens.

And a visit from "others" or discovery of "others"
in the universe would be really BIG.

Of course, this government would try to keep it secret. Although other governments might not.

And since we engaged in "shock and awe" which would have looked curious from outer space, if there were others that certainly would have drawn attention.

Clinton, Big Dawg that is, for Secretary of State. He's the only American who could possibly
soothe all the angry governments and obtain their confidence again.

Interesting. I also think there will be a problem
on election day, from looking at the chart, which will be similar to the last time ...and more and more people, even non astrologers also are thinking somehow the democratic nominee will not be Kerry, but they don't know why or who. Psychic
screams emanating around the world.

Curiouser and curiouser. We are living in an Alice in Wonderland world.

Hey Sally!

I wouldn't want to get a facelift on a Venus Rx!
LOL.

And if an old love returns, is it going to last?

or is it going to last for 8 years only?

Is it going to be an old love from a past life -
say around 1822?

Oh no, you are right, don't get a face lift on a Venus Retro, however you can evaluate the best docters for when it goes direct. It's also a great time for facials.

IF it's an old love, it could last. Venus and Mercury retrogrades are great for second marriages. Brand new ones? Best to wait and see what happens when it goes direct and if it's someone from the 1882 period, ask him his opinion on world affairs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55705-2004May25.html

"The bureau probably plans another public push to find Aafia Siddiqui, 32, a Pakistani woman who has a doctorate in neurological science and has studied at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Brandeis University in the Boston area, as well as in Houston.

The FBI also could seek help locating a man Siddiqui has been linked to, Adnan G. El Shukrijumah. He is a suspected al Qaeda member who spent time in Florida, and his name has come up in interrogations of captured al Qaeda lieutenant Khalid Sheik Mohammed. "

"One counterterrorism official said al Qaeda still aims to carry off an attack that would kill large numbers of people, and is aiming at modes of transportation such as airlines and ships. Anything less than a spectacular attack, such as a suicide bombing, would appear weak to al Qaeda's financiers, according to the counterterrorism official. "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55705-2004May25.html

Here you go, keep a look out for odd people (jeeze, I've been wondering how I could get away from odd people much less look for them) We have another holiday and another danger. These people just know how to take the fun out of every holiday. We have had alerts on every single holiday since 9/11. So our job is to once again "stay alert, careful of crowds, but go about your normal business"

Sally - the urge to stay young - I just read that cosmetic surgery is surging for male business & professionals wanting/needing to impart that youthful, go-getter image.

Hey Sally.

I'm really rolling on the floor laughing at "keep
a lookout for people trailing wires". Puhleez.

Well I guess that cancels the cruise to the Bahamas. And Las Vegas would be another enticing site for them. Big hotels, so many people.

I live in South Florida. On Sunday I have never seen so many Sherriffs on I 95. And they each had
a car stopped at an exit ramp. I'm also quite mediterranean looking. Thank goodness I'm not pregnant. :)

Can you imagine the lawsuits from the cops feeling up all the pregnant women? It's late - my vulgar side is surfacing - but it would be a funny scene.

Now being serious - I think they'll plan a double
the way they like to do multiple hits consecutively. On both the East Coast and the West Coast at the same time. And the Olympics. Do you know about the empty suitcases found all around Penn Station in NYC? It's believed to be the terrorists testing and watching how long it takes the cops to discover the abandoned luggage. That one gives me chills.

Big fire near Atlanta at a chlorine manufacturing plant which caused the evacuation of the surrounding area. Cause unknown. Isn't chlorine gas poisonous? But nobody has suggested
terrorism.

What a world. Best to find a rabbit hole and burrow.

Pallas18, this is from Dr Hiroshi Motoyama's book, "Karma and Reincarnation". He speaks about each country and race having a spirit of their own, national, racial and geographic karma.

"One people whose Racial Spirit and National Spirit have a very distinct relationship is the Jewish people. The Jewish people are directly descended from the first homo sapiens who appeared in what is know the northwest part of India and Iran about one hundred thousand years ago. Due to climatic changes, these people were made to scatter in all directions. The ancestors of the Jew settled in Canaan in Israel sometime between ten and thirty thousand years ago. After that time they were made to move to other places - to Mesopotamia, and Egypt as slaves. After the crucifixion of Jesus, the Jews lost control of their country and became a wondering race scattered all over the world. This has been the karma of the Jews from ancient times. However,their elitism, pride, and unity in their faith never died or declined. This firmness finally resulted in the establishment of their own country after the second world war. The Jews are clear evidence that the National Spirit and Racial Spirit can exist without its own National Spirit."

He doesn't go into much detail as he focuses mainly on China and Japan.

I think there is a lot of jealousy towards Jewish people because they have such a strong spirit, and where would Christianty and Islam be without Judaism. Of course that does not mean they are above the spiritual law, and isn't that the same for all of us irrespective of our race or creed? It seems that the world is more eager to pounce on Jewish peoples wrong doing, same as if Germany had decided to go to war. Maybe there is somekind of residual memory. That does not make a wrong a right. We just need to really let go of our hatreds, we really are all one, your pain is mine irrespective of what God you worship, if any.

Hi Morague, there has certainly been plenty of archaeological anomalies to suggest a vastly different timeline than what we are taught at schools. The "scientific" community just laughs in the face of anything that challenges their foundation. You would think they would apply their critical thinking to themselves.

Sitchen seems to have done a good job with deciphering the Sumerian tablets, do you know of anyone else who has deciphered them and come up with something different?

interesting article on venus from beliefnet

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/146/story_14612_1.html

New York Times
May 26, 2004
OP-ED COLUMNIST
The Bush and Kerry Tilt
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

George Bush and John Kerry disagree on almost every issue, with one crucial exception: they compete to support a myopic policy that is unjust, that damages our credibility around the world and that severely undermines our efforts in Iraq.

It's our Israel-Palestine policy, which has become so unbalanced that it's now little more than an embrace of the right-wing jingoist whom Mr. Bush unforgettably labeled a "man of peace": Ariel Sharon.

American presidents have always tried to be honest brokers in the Middle East. Truman, Johnson and Reagan were a bit more pro-Israeli, while Eisenhower, Carter and George H. W. Bush were a bit cooler, but all aimed for balance.

President Bush tossed all that out the window as he snuggled up to Mr. Sharon. Mr. Bush gazes admiringly as Mr. Sharon responds to terrorist attacks by sending troops to bulldoze Palestinian homes and shoot protesters, and he dropped President Clinton's intensive efforts to reach a peace deal. Prof. Michael Hudson of Georgetown University describes present Middle East policy as "a bumbling incompetence, running here or there but doing nothing consistently."

Our embrace of Mr. Sharon hobbles us in Iraq even more than those photos from Abu Ghraib. Iraqis (in contrast with, say, Kuwaitis) genuinely sympathize with the Palestinians, and everywhere I've been in Iraq ordinary people have asked me why Americans provide the weapons Mr. Sharon uses to kill Palestinians.

One lofty aim of the Iraq war was to achieve a Middle East peace. But as retired Gen. Anthony Zinni told the Center for Defense Information this month: "I couldn't believe what I was hearing about the benefits of this strategic move — that the road to Jerusalem led through Baghdad, when just the opposite is true, the road to Baghdad led through Jerusalem. You solve the Middle East peace process, you'd be surprised what kinds of other things will work out."

As for Mr. Kerry, he has generally been sensible on the Middle East. But in recent months he has zigged and zagged away from his record (he used to oppose the Middle East fence, for example) to plant his own wet kisses on Mr. Sharon. It's too bad he doesn't have the leadership to acknowledge what 50 former U.S. diplomats wrote in an open letter to President Bush last month:

"You have proved that the United States is not an evenhanded peace partner. . . . Your unqualified support of Sharon's extrajudicial assassinations, Israel's Berlin Wall-like barrier, its harsh military measures in occupied territories, and now your endorsement of Sharon's unilateral plan are costing our country its credibility, prestige and friends. This endorsement is not even in the best interests of Israel."

Indeed, my guess is that Mr. Sharon has done more to undermine Israel's long-term security than Yasir Arafat ever did. Mr. Sharon's actions have knocked the legs out from under Palestinian moderates and have bolstered Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Mr. Sharon means well — he wants to stop terrorism — but his policies have led Palestinians to turn to Islamic extremists rather than secular nationalists. Now even the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, a Marxist group, has found God and quotes from the Koran.

Particularly in a new age when terrorist attacks could use W.M.D. to kill perhaps thousands at a time, Israel can achieve safety only through a peace agreement with the Palestinians. A model is the unofficial Geneva accord of last October, reached between courageous Israelis and Palestinians — the very people we should be supporting.

In contrast, Mr. Sharon and Mr. Arafat both display a bloodstained obduracy, suggesting that they might as well have been twins separated at birth. They should be exiled together to some modern St. Helena. Both are hurting their own people by undercutting moderates on the other side.

So let's hope that Mr. Kerry zags again, giving us a meaningful choice on Middle East policy. Mr. Bush's break from the usual U.S. role of honest broker is one of his most serious foreign policy errors, and we owe it to Israel as well as to ourselves to fix it.

"Israelis are far more critical of Israeli policy than Americans are," noted Edward Walker Jr., a former U.S. ambassador to Israel and Egypt. "If your good friends won't tell you that something's wrong, they're not very good friends."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/26/opinion/26KRIS.html?pagewanted=print&position=

....the view from Jordan...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040526/CORAMI26/TPComment/TopStories

wonderful discussion everyone :) and a great big welcome to the new posters. Thanks Sally, for the updates, and I expected an earthquake too. I live in central Il., no tornados yet, but they're coming closer. Anyway, I just saw this, thought it was pretty interesting: GORE TO CALL FOR RESIGNATION OF BUSH TEAM MEMBERS RESPONSIBLE FOR IRAQ FIASCO

Major Address Will Cite Imminent Risk to U.S. Soldiers & Homeland from Bush Failure to Hold Top Officials Accountable

Former Vice President Al Gore will deliver a major foreign policy address in New York City on Wednesday, sponsored by MoveOn PAC, calling for the resignation of five members of the Bush Administration team and one member of the military command responsible for the failed policy and abuse of prisoners in Iraq.

Gore will identify the various ways in which all Americans--soldiers in Iraq, residents and travelers abroad, and citizens at home—are endangered by the bitterness created throughout the Islamic world—and beyond—by US policy.

He will also explore the linkages between the President’s Iraq policy and the torture of prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison.
Hooray for our President.

BETSY AND MORAGUE;

The warmest of welcome to both of you. Great to
have you aboard and please keep on posting your
views and opinions. We certainly need input from
the non-continental U.S. and as far away as China!

..................................................

TO SUPPORTERS OF MR. GORE:

CHECK OUT: "al gore support center.com" ! ! !

Peg,
Thanks so much for your post... I just want to remind everyone that Richard Nixon made his resignation speech on Aug 8, 1974 when tSaturn ata 13 degrees cancer 10 was conj the USA nSun 13 degrees 19

Namaste

Is this what Rumsfeld meant when he said there is more to come, and it is worse? And is this why they have told the media 'enough pictures' and why Rumsfeld has banned cameras?

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A scandal that has not yet broken in the press is the story of how many women ended up in US prisons. The fact is, few were suspected of having themselves committed a crime or an act of insurgency. Rather, they were taken as hostages or potential informants because their husbands or sons were wanted by the US military. This kind of arrest, however, is a form of collective punishment and not permitted under the Fouth Geneva Convention governing military occupations of civilian populations. The sexual abuse of these women is therefore a double crime.

Eventually these photographs of abused or tortured Muslim women are likely to leak, and the reaction in the Muslim world will be explosive. One shakes one´s head in bewilderment as to what the Bush administration thought they were doing. William Polk´s guest editorial today is all the more a propos in light of these revelations.

More http://www.juancole.com

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I posted this upthread:

"In a general sense, a planet’s retrograde period represents a time to retrace our steps, learn from past experience, resolve difficulties and tie-up loose-ends in the life-department represented by the retrograde planet. tVenus Rx
will be in the USA 7th house moving toward a conj with nMars. Mercury rules Gemini and in the US chart it is found in the 8th house, opposing nPluto in Capricorn. tVenus Rx will return June 1st to same spot it was May 1st. 7th house in mundane astrology is foreign relations, treaties and/or disputes; Venus represents cinema, among other things. What do you think about this Sally?"

Question might tVenus June 1st or so with these pictures?

Roxanne, didn't you want to talk about Venus? What do you think?

Peg, I loved the "hurray for our President," comment. This morning while getting up, I was listening to the news and it was someone who sounded positively hysterical says "THIS IS CREDIBLE, Ashcroft is warning, warning, warning, serious, it's all serious, serious, you get the picture, and a very dramatic newscaster to deliver the information. Made me wonder if something happened overnight and I didn't know. Then in a much calmer voice he reported in about a 3 second slot that there is genocide going on in the Sudan. Genocide for the whole area, they have had their water cut off and they have no food, they are dying by the thousands. The Holocaust Museum in Germany is trying to get countries to listen to them, to send help. I listen to talk radio during the day, and all they are talking about is whether a bomb goes off over the weekend or not. I felt really ashamed of this country we are so traumatized, we don't have the emotional stamina to care about the Sudan or anyone else.

Pallas I am happy you aren't pregnant either, cause you, I feel sure, would be sitting in some South Florida jail while they determined if you were a danger to society.

Shylurker
You can mail me at seawitch@pacbell.net

Suffice to say I am still treading water facing yet another postponement.

It occurred to me that if a major incident was to take place prior to the election, wouldn't that make GWB look like more of a failure than he already is? I mean he has been promising to keep America safe hasn't he?

My head hurts. Too much going on in the world, nephew in Iraq, mother going into the hospital tomorrow for a procedure that could cause her to "stroke out" on the table. Thank the higher power the moon won't be in Leo then.

I think I'll go look up Smarty Jones' birthchart. 2/28/01. At least I can feel optimistic about a horse.

The mind boggles. http://www.truthout.org/environment.shtml

Jo, thanks for the editorial by Kristroff - he is brilliant and I admire him greatly. There is no doubt that that Arafat/Sharon are extremists. I have read up on their charts as well as Palestine's and Israel's on StarIQ and there is violence and tumult indicated in all charts. As far as Bush assuming such a pro-Israel stance, especially lately, I guess it is a combination of wanting the U.S. Jewish vote and it being part of the born-again Christian belief system. It's obviously not a good idea as the U.S. has to be fair to do any good in the situation. Since Kerry is a prince of diplomacy, if he should indeed win, I hope he will apply the right pressure in his own reasonable way. Re: the wall Israel is building, it might have been a good idea if it had been mutual (and I have read that it gives Israel the better water rights), but it is not. On the other hand, if Arafat and the terrorists don't want peace, they will not agree on anything except the most unrealistic plan. This is why Sharon is acting unilaterally in terms of the wall and wanting to pull out of Gaza. But I agree that Sharon, however well intentioned, is extremely heavy handed and blundering. He was hated among Palestinians before he was voted in and the only reason Israel did so, was their disgust with terrorist attacks. Kristoff mentions this new Geneva plan, which is supposed to to promising, but, again, only if current Palestinian leadership want peace, not revenge, which then leads to retaliatory punishment from Isael, etc., etc. Lastly, I do want to say that Kristoff could have been more "even handed" as he does not acknowledge the danger Israel has had to deal with from Hamas and the other terrorist groups all these years, and the fact that it undermines peace. Yes, it is unfortunate because there probably are or were many more Palestianian moderates than there are now (I am friends with some of them).

I'm thinking that the Palestine/Israeli situation and the U.S./Iraq situation, as well as the Muslim Jihad are the last vestiges of the power-domination mode of civilization, given way shortly to to a more eglatarian, feminine influenced, nuturing golden age. I hope the Venus occultation is happening to initiate the last stage of darkness, followed by light.

Pallis 18, thank you for the comments about my gentleness. I care deeply about world peace and also about fairness (Aquarius/Pisces). Thank you also for your impressive and painstaking research and documentation. (Do you have Virgo/ mercury or Scorpio/Pluto influences? How about Aquarius?) I'm curious as to what you do professionally. By the way, I used to live & work in South Florida myself, almost 30 years, until 1 year when I moved. Whereabouts are you living? I'm sorry I didn't run into you. Maybe we could meet for coffee when I'm visiting. But, then again, people have a way of communicating electronically that doesn't always happen in real life.

Be well everyone. I'm glad about Venus's long transit in Gemini - maybe it will sweeten up everyone's communication and difuse violence.

Sharon

Jo. I agree with what you wrote about transiting retrograde Venus, I also know that Venus with Mars causes jealousy or a jealous reaction. Venus has her dark side just like all the other planets and jealousy is one of them, she can be ruthless in that manner and going back over the US Mars and opposing Pluto we could see the face of that here and in Israel. There is a Des/Sun and Asc/Pluto sandwiching Iraq on the 1st but no major line crossing it. There is a des/Uranus line crossing the East Coast and Mars/Chiron/Saturn major lines crossing, that looks like a bad storm to me going up the coast, lots of water and wind. June 3rd (when the Moon conj. Pluto and opposes Mars squares Neptune could also be bad storms. I do think something is brewing in Iraq having to do with Sadr.

On 11/17/1800 at 9:00am the House and Senate had their first session (joint) in Washington, DC. up until that time they had been meeting in New York. Taking the 1800 time instead of the 1789 first setting in NY, it looks like the House and Senate have some more shocks coming their way. T-Pluto is conjuncting the 1800 chart's Venus right now. The House/Senate is not done with being stunned at how little they know and how much they have been marginalized.

Teresa, I've thought exactly the same thing. His whole campaign has centered on his administration keeping us safe from the terra-ists. If we're "attacked" again on his watch, his whole mission will have failed. But that won't matter, because they'll usher out the Patriot Act II - to make us even 'safer' - and declare martial law. All these measures, ostensibly, to protect us, but in reality to silence dissent.

And yes, all the imminent 'terror alerts' seem to follow negative news for the administration. All during the build-up to the Iraq invasion and since. They let up when things look like smooth sailing for the administration - climbing poll numbers, etc. As soon as the poll numbers start to decline and bombs start exploding in Baghdad, the terror alerts pop back up.

Well now the poll numbers are dropping to their lowest levels of shrub's residency and the news from Iraq gets worse by the day. The newest scandal is the most embarrassing for the current cabal: being duped by Iran into going into Iraq to topple their mortal enemy through Chalabi's cooked intelligence ginned up by the Iranians.

My only hope is that these guys will overreach. If they stage another attack to further their ambitions, which I believe is more likely than not to happen, I hope there will be enough people smart enough to realize that they're being manipulated through fear. The rest of the people around the world believe that these guys were behind 9-11. I do too. There are many more who also believe that Al Qaeda may be nothing more than a false flag operation - paramilitary/covert operatives actually working at the behest of the government(s) to achieve whatever objective they deem necessary to retain power, etc. Don't get me wrong, there are real terrorists. But there have been state-sponsored covert operatives for decades, running throughout foreign countries, toppling and killing leaders who are unfavorable to U.S. and Israeli policies. I believe that's what we have here and people need to wake up to that terrible reality. Nobody wants to believe that their governing officials would kill their own people. But keep in mind that people within this administration have been working behind the scenes for decades trying to point U.S. foregin policy in the direction of strategic occupations. Iraq was to be the first feather in their caps and they only needed a reason to send the troops. These guys even stated in published information about PNAC that they needed something "spectacular" like a Pearl Harbor to justify military action. Well 9-11 was their justification. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Now just imagine these monsters fearing that their days in office may be numbered. They will not go willingly and they will do what it takes to stay put, because more than the fear of losing power is their fear of being found out. A new administration would uncover and unravel the lies, mass murder of our civilians and our troops, the murder of innocent Iraqi people and rape of our constitutional processes. They will not go down without a fight, and they will stop at nothing. Nothing.

They want us to be afraid. But instead of fearful, we need to be smart and courageous. And being courageous may get people thrown in jail or worse. But that may be what we have to do to get our country back.

With all the concern about what might happen, who might do what to whom, who's in and who's out, and when it might happen, some thoughts . . .

1. We can't measure the future by past events because even though SOME planetary configurations may be repeated, all of them aren't exactly repeated. (Unless we go back about thousands of years. You astrologers can check me out on this.) Patterns are slightly different because consciousness is different now. So the opportunity now is to adjust or modify patterns being brought forward to balance with who we are NOW. That's how we grow and evolve.

2. Nothing is written in stone. Energy is constantly in motion. One small thing, just a slight alteration can change the course of events.That's why where we focus our thoughts, our level of consciousness, is so important.

3.There is a range of possibilities that occurs with each planetary transit. You astrologers, how about a discussion of what the highest potential of each upcoming planetary configuration might be.

4.Remember the OJ Simpson EVENT? Well, years ago, I read something in an astrology magazine that jolted me. That area of California was primed for a MAJOR, MAJOR, MAJOR earthquake because of the configuration of planetary energies intersecting in that particular area on that date. Instead, we had the OJ Simpson event, which affected us day after day after day after day after month causing us to process internally all the emotions, attitudes, prejudices that it stirred up. We were confronted with things we probably wouldn't have reflected on without this focus. So, instead of massive devastation, we had an opportunity to do the work internally.

Sometimes the universe does things like that.

Perhaps we could cooperate with the universe in projecting more positive outcomes.

Not only will they not go down without a fight, but they potentially face some extreme consequences (The Hague, for one) which will only increase their desperation. And they surely don't care how much destruction they'll wreak on the innocent. You only need to look at the Iraq attack to see that. Sigh. C'mon Venus!

Would the Palestinians be in a better position today if they had committed themselves to non-violence civil disobedience. If only there had been a Gandhi or MLK Jr. to lead them...

But then again, non-violent civil disobedience only works in certain situations--in a democratic society where the leadership can be reached by the call of conscience. It obviously would not have worked, for example, for the Jews in Hitler's Germany.

To be honest and fair to the Palestinians it should be mentioned that the numbers of innocent Palestinian deaths far outnumber the number of innocent Israeli deaths as the result of suicide bombers. That rarely if ever gets mentioned in the press.

The only light of hope for peace there seems to come from the Israeli peace movement Gush Shalom ("the Peace Bloc"). The movement was founded by elder stateman Uri Avnery who I believe was once in the Knesset.

Here is a summary of their politcal positions:

"The Green Line (the borders before the 1967 war) will be a border of peace between two free and sovereign states: Israel and Palestine.
All Israeli settlers in the currently occupied territories will return to Israel. Jerusalem will be an open city, and will serve as capital to both states:
East Jerusalem will be the capital of Palestine;
West Jerusalem will be the capital of Israel.
Both parties can reach a just and agreed upon solution for the tragedy of Palestinian refugees, based on these guidelines:
Israel will acknowledge its share of responsibility for this tragedy, and will accept, in principle, the right of return.
The refugees will be offered several possible venues of rehabilitation and compensation.
One of these venues will allow a limited number of refugees the right to return to the state of Israel, based on a formula that will maintain the Jewish majority in the state of Israel.
These positions do not offer absolute justice, but rather a formula that can be accepted by the majority of the Israeli and Palestinian peoples."

http://www.gush-shalom.org/english/

A review of the book "The New Pearl Harbor" which examines the range of theories about 911:

http://www.counterpunch.org/estrin05252004.html

Looks like a book worth reading...

this is a timeline for the last 100 years for Palestine

http://www.palestinehistory.com/qtime.htm

Teresa:

I just want you to know that I had added your
nephew to the list of young men that I light a
candle for every evening. I'll send your mother
healing also. If it is to be, she will be healed.

Love, Joy and Peace

Corleonis, thank you for your kindness.

Sally,
I remember clearly, in the run up to the invasion of Iraq, the gov. laid on the terror alerts hot & heavy, raised to orange alert, including anti-aircraft tanks parked near the Potomic. Once they had achieved their objective, ( terrifying us into agreement on the need for the invasion, the "threat from outside, us" went away & Tom Ridge announced that maybe the elevated colors weren't such a good idea after all, and they wouldn't use it in the future!
As you can see; they are warning again, but the color stays on yellow! I think they are using this as a ploy to distract from Bush's ratings & the prison scandals!
Jo,
That sounds like a good premise.......T venus revealing the further scandal of holding wives in prison hostage to manipulate their husbands!
Strange thing, while starting this post I accidently hit option, control & another key ? It took me right to the Kerry Home page!?
Pat QOP

I just picked this up off Salon. The nerve: They go in Haiti, upset everything, then tell us not to go there because things poliically are unpredictable and unstable. And now they're rattling off threats to Chavez and Cuba. Where do these guys get off? Isn't enough to have invaded Iraq, created thousands of "terrorists," made most the rest of the world hate us, killed thousands of people and . . . But I rant.

May 25, 2004 | WASHINGTON (AP) --

The State Department reminded Americans on Tuesday that the security situation in Haiti remains ‘‘unpredictable and potentially dangerous."

A department travel warning said American citizens should defer travel to the Caribbean nation even though its political situation is more stable than during an upheaval three months ago.

U.S. citizens who remain in Haiti should take precautions to avoid the uncertain security situation in public areas, the department said.

For anyone who wants to wants to light a candle for any and all

Go to this site and on the left side, click on LIGHT A CANDLE.

http://www.gratefulness.org/index.htm

PEACE

Now, Sally, isn't it important to mention, even though you are extremely wary of him, that the VENUS OCCULTATION, is trine within 1 degree of Ralph Nader's first house north node? Which conjuncts his Saturn, AND that said Venus retrogrades back to trine his natal Venus in the first house, by one degree, then moves forward. At the point of the Dem convention (dates please?), the last two weeks of July, Ralph has Venus in a grand trine to his 1st House North Node, 1st House Saturn (a trine to this could mean getting to the 'top of the mountain at the end of the day'), as well as that trine to his natal Jupiter, in his 9th house of the press, which sits at the top of Ralph's chart? Could this not mean that the press, eager to make a story, and a love(ly - venus), story might grow bored with Kerry's seemingly manipulative shenanigans in regards to accepting or not accepting the nomination, Bush they've already put to sleep, virtually, and decide to embrace that menace, Ralph???? It's all there astrologically.
Do you see the possibility of this Sally? Venus, because of the occultation, is already being felt. Venus is coming: I know of atleast two boys, age 12 and 10, who do not know of each other, who are all of a sudden demanding guitars!
I think venus is very important to watch this year, and considering it's hitting one presidential candidate in the 1st house of image, and 9th house of press in a grand trine, REALLY deserves mentioning here dear Sally!
(Ralph though is in a bit of danger in late August and I dread a Bobby Kennedy type of happening. No fear of Bush EVER becoming a martyr, but Ralph, with all he's ever done for the people, as well as being a Pisces, it is a heartbreaking thought.)

I sure don't want anything to happen to Ralph, least of all a remote possibility of his becoming President. The Venus transit will be powerfully felt not only this year but every year for the next 8 years. It is exciting about the boys being interested in the guitar, however 10 and 12 are the ages kids reach out to new things to try on, it would be more exciting if they were in their 30's and had been stock brokers or something as rote.

I haven't looked at Ralph's chart for several weeks and with Uranus in Pisces and getting ready to retrograde the spotlight will fall away from him for awhile. Ralph Nadar would make a pact with the devil if he thought it would get him the presidency. He is taking money from the Republicans, I guess why not, and playing footsy with the Dems. I will have to leave it to other astrologers to read Nadar because I don't think I could be too objective.

An E-mail from Marianne Williamson
There is no order of difficulty in miracles

Dear Friends,

All over the AP wires last night were reports that Al-Qaida is in the country, planning to \"hit us hard\" sometime this summer.

I'm sure all of us who read the report had the same reaction of revulsion and fear. On a purely human level, it's terrifying to even begin to contemplate what that might mean.

But I'm reminded of the first sentence in A Course in Miracles, that \"There is no order of difficulty in miracles.\" The Course teaches that the effects of love are maximal, and natural in the presence of love. If and when we find our spiritual center, a miracle will automatically occur.

Finding our spiritual center as a nation means we atone for our own errors and apologize for our own transgressions - against the Native Americans, the Vietnamese, etc. It means we ask God to forgive us as a nation for having so much, and giving so comparatively little away to those who have less. It means we ask God to forgive us for our sins, come into our hearts and turn us into the nation He would have us be.

Thought is the level of cause, while the world is the level of effects. Our greatest power to change the world is our power to think about it differently. Our greatest hope lies not in our military might, but in our power to change our consciousness.

This is the eleventh hour, that is true, but it is not yet midnight. As enough of us humble ourselves and ask God's forgiveness, expressing our willingness to both forgive and serve at a profound new level, then we will have our miracle. And before it is too late.

Dear God,
Please save America
In this, our hour of danger.
Forgive us for
our selfish,
our greed,
our transgressions against others,
our lack of love.
Return our nation
To the thoughts of righteousness,
That we might live Your light once more.
Deliver us
>From danger
Now and forever
Please make us new
and keep us safe.
Thank you, God.
Amen

Please remember: I'm doing a week-end Workshop on A Course in Miracles on the weekend of June 18-20, in Detroit. Please check my website, http://www.marianne.com for details.

All my best,
Marianne

I hope this isn't taken as Pro~John Kerry propaganda, but this article offers an alternate view of the Bu$h-owned media (and Yellow Alerts are part of that!)
Namaste~
~D
***
http://www.moderateindependent.com/v2i10elections.htm

The very presence of a war hero on the other side of the aisle has taken away the free ride Bush had been given with regard to being thought of as the better choice in terms of foreign policy.  Previously the American people felt they had no real alternative to consider and that Republicans were the military and the military was all Republican.

People keep saying why isn’t he lashing out about Iraq, the abuse.  And the answer is because he gives people credit for being able to critique it themselves and, even more importantly, doesn’t feel the need to come out and shout, “Hey, see – wouldn’t I be better?  I’m a vet!  I would have more respect and be on top of thing, so shouldn’t you vote for me?”

Nope.  John considers all of this to be readily apparent.  He said it before – if you missed it, go look it up, ask someone.  He’s not going to baby you.  He knows he would do a better job, he considers it a simple fact, and true to his talk softly and carry a big stick nature, he will let that big stick of reality speak for itself.

Don’t worry, John will speak eventually.  And he will speak strongly and intelligently and charismatically.  Call him aloof or longwinded, when he talks, he sounds deepvoicedly presidential.  He inspires confidence and projects stature.
***
'Course, we've also discussed articles saying there are pics of these two rolling around naked in mud from Skull & Bones rites, so I guess everything's still kind of a toss up!
Namaste~
~D

Friends -
This is my first post to this board. I have been reading here ever since it became the well for my parched thirst. I generally don't post because while I enjoy reading about astrology I have no expertise to contribute nor do I have the time to find the wonderful articles you all post. However in reading the Marianne Williamson post I remembered praying to stop military aggression that Clinton was contempalting. It was an organized effort that had a specific time and date. Why couldn;t a prayer for peace occurr again? If the astologers could pick a propitious time and sate, why couldn't all the people on this board spread the word? What do you think?

Beverly:

Please don't think I have ignored your questions
about "mediuship". It's just that events are
happening so fast and furious, that I hate to in-
trude on their being discussed on this board by
bringinging up a topic that has really not much to do with them.

Please contact me at any time.
I'll be happy to discuss it with you.

Love and Peace,

Beverley:

Sorry, the spelling was 'mediumship'. My e-mail
address was deleted, so I guess we'll have to
find some other way.

Best,

Sally,

"Pallas I am happy you aren't pregnant either, cause you, I feel sure, would be sitting in some South Florida jail while they determined if you were a danger to society. Posted by: Sally "

Smiling widely- not sure how you mean that Sally - Bakeracted? or potential terra-ist or protester? I'll be sure to hide my wires.

My days of protesting in person are over - although my computer does send out these "poison pen emails" to people like McCain and other legislators telling them to shut up, or sending a bravo to Senator Kennedy or Charlie Rangel types. That goes into your FBI file also you know.

Funny you said that Sally. So you think I'm outspoken eh what? Mars in Sagittarius. You're right. But I am fortunate to be born a woman - it renders the ability to say or do things for which a man might get into quite a bit of trouble .

Sharon,

' I'm curious as to what you do professionally."

I've always done a form of research Sharon, as well as being a professional astrologer, lecturer and teacher. And before I moved I used to be featured in the local paper for every New Year. Fairness, being just, doing the right thing, and being incensed at seeing the wrong have been strong themes throughout my life. And as Sally suspects, if someone is not doing the right thing, I'm likely to speak up - directly. lol.

Anytime you're in this neck of the woods, Sharon,
I'd love to have coffee with you, preferably with a side of apple crisp or 7 layer chocolate cake :)

And Sally, you're invited too! As a matter of fact why don't we all have a meet-up of "Sally's Salon" ! ( I said salon, not saloon.)

Wasn't there a huge Gathering of Wiccans/Mediums/Astrologers and folks of all sorts during WWII where energy was raised to send Hitler back against the Water?

Welcome, M.!
~D

Gore FINALLY speaking up. And mad as hell.
I caught just snippets. No channel is playing the
full speech. Does anyone know if it is going to
be played in its entirety?

Gore demanding that the cabal resign. I heard something about "dragging America's name through the Iraq mud"...Go Gore!

It still may be possible there could be a runaway
convention or am I dreaming? There could be a write in for Gore or Dean or Gore and Dean.

And Sally, that person returning from the past life also thought that Kerry was shooting himself in the foot by not accepting nomination at the convention, that there could be an old fashioned
floor fight, and Kerry might not end up the nominee.

Some democrats already expressing anger that they have been contributing funds for this convention, only to find out it might end up just a big party instead of a nominating convention.

Mr. Kerry is not using very good judgment.

Al has produced an awesome speech. Of course, he says some nice things about John Kerry. Most importantly, I believe Al shares the same deep fear that most people participating on this board have. Do read it:
http://www.moveonpac.org/goreremarks052604.html/

Hmmm...I'd like to know what in Ralph's chart indicates he'd sign a pact w/the devil to become president. Please reveal.

An Aquarius asc., a venus and north node in the first house and a sun in pisces, would indicate he'd be the last guy to do such a thing. As a Washington resident that he is, he's been given PLENTY of opportunities to stop serving THE PEOPLE, and has never taken them. Including a major corp sending a whore to his room once to try and catch him for being what the rest ARE. And that includes the beloved Clinton.

I sure hope the GOLDEN AGE, gets all of us, down to you, removed from stuck ideas. But I guess if being a devil means trying to oust corrupt politicians, and change the landscape of a fallen country, then you'd be right.

Sometimes we have to let go of what our confirmed beliefs are, and look at the stars, and individual charts, and where the country is, and who is running for president, (rich destructive fool like Bush, or waffler Kerry or proven-with-deed people server like Ralph), to see what could happen.

It was a "remote possibility" that we'd lose 3,000 workers in one hour in New York City. It was a remote possibility that we'd attack a country that did nothing to us, nor threatened verbally to do so. We live in times of remote possibilities.

Let the sun shine in.

M.

Great idea. Is anyone hearing you? I am.

I posted the following on May 3, 2004 09:44 PM.

Got 1 Response to it......

What would happen if everyone who visits here decided to sit quietly EVERY DAY for 5 minutes and feel love and peace in their hearts and send those thoughts and feelings out to the earth and all its people, seeing the earth enveloped in light. Let’s say we do it at 7AM whatever time zone you are in. (If you can’t do it at that time, do it whenever you can and just mentally see a clock that says 7AM to tune in to all the others doing it.)

Maybe someone else can take our ideas and expand on them.

Sally is right on. Storm on the East Coast affecting the Caribbean Islands - 500 people dead
and more storms expected. Funny they don't call it a hurricane or a typhoon or whatever - just a
storm.

And Sally is right again. On Chris Matthews, more
pictures showing organized involvement of torture during interrogation. Here's the bad news they were trying to hide. A 6000 page report given to
Congress of Taguba's report had 2000 PAGES MISSING!

If it wasn't so outrageous it would be laughable.
The Pentagon is trying to tell Congress it was unimportant parts of General Taguba's report. Congress has found out it contained General Miller's instructions on how to torture during interrogation......... as Drudgery would say - breaking....

Sharon,

That's a powerful email from Marianne Williamson.

Don't know if you had a chance to read this. I posted the link somewhere above.

EXCERPTS FROM DENNIS KUCINICH ACCEPTANCE SPEECH OF GANDHI PEACE AWARD 2003. They are very relevant now.

. . . . . There are some who think that peace is somehow a static activity. Far from it. It's a dynamic expression of the possibilities of human aspiration. …

The psalms have a phrase in Latin: "Emitte lucem tuam." Send forth your light. … To take the light of peace which is in our hearts, and extend that light, and that love, and that compassion. From my studies of the Scriptures and the Gospel of St. John, it begins, in the early verses, it speaks of the light shining in the darkness. "And the darkness grasp it not.” Light always shines in the darkness. And though this darkness has dropped upon our country, upon our Constitution, upon our highest aspirations for America, upon our historic traditions—the light of truth will shine in that darkness, and the darkness will neither comprehend nor overwhelm it. So we are called upon at this moment, to be witnesses for peace, for truth, for light, for love, for compassion, and for the potential of humanity to evolve . . . . .
. . . . to a condition where our knowledge that peace is inevitable becomes the defining paradigm of a new century and a new world.

Now we know from our studies of the Hindu religion, that the forces of destruction and the forces of creation exist simultaneously. Shiva and Vishnu exist simultaneously. We also know that we have the opportunity to be able to determine which of those forces work through us: the forces of destruction or the forces of creation. Granted, at any point in our lives, they may be working their way simultaneously.

The light of peace can be brought into this world and exist in this world through compassion, acceptance, tolerance that's shared. And it’s shared through affirming international structures of cooperation and governance. The importance of a United Nations is so much more evident at this moment. We realize that we're all connected, that we’re all one! My politics arises from an holistic world view: we’re interconnected, we're interdependent. What affects me affects you. It goes beyond the I-thou of Martin Buber and goes to the connectivity of "we are all one" that informed Gandhi's essential philosophy.

. . . . The weapons of mass destruction begin in our consciousness. And they're our projections in physical form. The splitting of the atom was a split in consciousness in this society. And we need to heal our nation and the world, through creating a vision of a world as one. And a vision of the world as one has no room for nuclear weapons. There are 12 nations which either possess or are trying to acquire nuclear weapons. Twenty nations either possessing or trying to acquire biological weapons. Twenty-six nations either possessing or trying to acquire chemical weapons. Twenty nations either possessing or trying to acquire missile technologies to deliver those weapons. Pandora's box has been opened.

But there is a power greater than all of those weapons. And it's the power of love through which the human heart expresses itself. The advancing tide is toward human unity! We saw it reflected at the beginning of the new millennium which so many of us celebrated in the year 2000. Where despite the dire predictions, people gathered peacefully all around the world, without incidents! Celebrating our humanity! Proving that we can get together around the world peacefully!

. . . we realize that we have this moment in time and space where we can change the outcome! Where we are not stuck! Where we can use this power which is inside of us, this light inside of our hearts! And let that light shine, let it shine in this darkness! Let it shine in the chaos! Let it shine—and let that shine so that this alternative vision of peace, which is the vision of which our lives are made, that this alternative vision of peace, which can be the vision of which our country expresses itself, that this alternative vision of peace, that reflects the life's work of so many who have come before us, that this shall be a vision through which the creativity, and through which the transformational energy that will bring us this new world, can be achieved.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

Jaycee & Dommael- Thank you both. As I remember, the prayer effort during the Clinton years had M. Williamson as one of the organizers. It was an international effort that asked everyone to stop at noon EST and say a prayer for peace. I don't remmber if we did it for a week or a month. But I do remember the feeling of astonishment when Clinton decided not to drop the bombs. I feel, in these turbulent times, that an astrologer should establish as staring date so it wouldn't begin under a ghastly retrograde, when the moon is void of course, or any other sticky time. From there it would be a matter of word of mouth, which on the internet is becomming very effective.

CNN will carry Al Gore's speech at 9:50 PM

I do believe Dennis Kucinich is such a good soul, I am not basing that on his astrology chart but how he uses his energy. I think he may be too pure of heart to handle the present political situation.

KERRY PUTS EDWARDS THROUGH VP PACES
N.C.SENATOR GETS THE CLOSEST LOOK

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5067113/

The two men don’t like each other much, but there is no deep enmity and they are now, at the very least, using each other in a classic exercise in mutual back-scratching. Kerry is asking Edwards to pursue a heavy schedule of fund-raising and political events; Edwards is only too happy to do it — as an audition for the veep slot but also as a way to build his own grass-roots and state party ties for the long haul he has just barely begun.

M:

To you also, the WARMEST of welcomes. Please do
contribute your thoughts. We mostly leave the
astrological analysis to the EXPERTS, such as our
PRICELESS "Lady Sally", whom I admire not only as
a top-notch astrologer but, most, for her kindness
and selflessness. I know how freely she gives of
her talents and expertise........

What the rest of us contribute is mostly our re-
flections and thoughts and ideas, just like you
just did. In a way, that is the 'life-blood' of
this Board.

If you all decide on a collective time for a Peace
Prayer, count me in.

In my opinion, though, we have a WAR on our hands:
WE MUST WREST THE POWER FROM BUSH AND THE NEOCONS!
That, my dear 'M' is a very real struggle and that
is what Dommael was referring to. The Story of the British Witches came from me and I got it from
one of Sybil Leeks' books. She was a great Astro-
loger and Astrology (by her assertion) was what she loved most.

It seems that, at some point, Hitler's Campaign on
the English had become most unbearable. So, ALL
the Covens from all over the British Isles gather-
ed at the White Cliffs of Dover. They all faced
the European Shore, across the Channel, and raised
the most humongous CONE OF POWER ever......Aiming
it at Hitles and the Nazi Troops.

D-DAY followed. Bloody it was and I won't revisit
that awful story.

BUT GOOD TRIUMPHED OVER EVIL

And, while not a Witch myself, I can't help but
feel that the outcome of WWII may have been diffe-
rent without the intervention of the British
Witches.

I personally do not regard their action as an act
of peace. It was WAR, and they fought back in
kind. Before we can establish Peace, we have to
win the WAR.......

M and Jaycee - I think minds coming together for truth, peace and cooperation, is a GREAT idea - more 100th monkey events!
I suggest the Venus transit time might be perfect. Sally, what time GMT would that be? And how long would everyone suggest that it should last?

The Venus Transit is 07.08.2004 at 4:43am EDT (Washington, DC)

Corleonis: I loved your analogy of the British Witches, it gave me chills.

A.R.E. (Cayce Org) meditates daily at noon (EDT)
all are welcome to join them wherever you live.

Wonderful idea to come together for peace! I was reminded today about a favorite book/movie of mine for many years -The Never Ending Story. In a nutshell the story is about a little boy who lacks courage who steals a book from a bookshop and spends the whole night reading it and visualizing the story inside. In the story a little Indian boy goes on a quest to save the planet of Fantasia from an enemy called "The Nothing". This Nothing is an excellent enemy - formless, unstopable and it's only goal is to destroy whatever is in it's path. The light and everything good is destroyed by this awful Nothing and it leaves the dreaded "nothing" in it's wake - just blackness. The little Indian boy must summon courage to save Fantasia by himself and along with it the young Empress who is slowly dying as the Nothing approaches her castle. It is a powerful story about imagination disapearing and people forgetting to dream and remember goodness. The Nothing grows stronger as the fears of the people and creatures of Fantasia grow. So I thought of this today and how our own fears are growing also with these daily reports of terrorists and bombs and unthinkable things. Perhaps we too are feeding "the Nothing" and making it grow stronger every day. I am all for the coming together in peace .. name the time and I'm with you all! Perhaps like the Dover Witches we can help push back "The Nothing" and help goodness to win over evil once again! Peace!

ABU HAFS AL MASRI BRIGADE
Officials: Group tying self to blasts may not be real
By Bryan Bender
and Farah Stockman, Globe Staff, 3/13/2004

WASHINGTON -- A group purporting to be part of Al Qaeda that claimed responsibility for the Madrid train bombings and warned of a looming attack on the United States seems to be a phantom organization, according to US intelligence officials and terrorism specialists.

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In a 24-hour news cycle dominated by fears of terrorism, the latest e-mail from the Abu Hafs al Masri Brigade to a London-based Arabic newspaper sowed anxiety and drew instant headlines all over the world.

But specialists say there is no evidence the organization exists. E-mail messages purporting to be written by the group previously claimed responsibility for everything from the North American blackout to a suicide attack that killed 20 Italian policemen in Iraq. But none of those claims has proved true, intelligence specialists say.

The latest message warned that an attack against the United States is "90 percent ready."

Employees at the Al-Quds Al-Arabi newspaper in London, which has received several letters in recent months purporting to be from the group, say they are not sure what the group is.

Deciphering the group -- which first surfaced in July 2003 -- illustrates a larger challenge for counterterrorism officials: assessing the murky world of purported Al Qaeda splinter groups that have been responsible for a dramatic increase in highly sophisticated terrorist bombings around the world.

Spanish officials said yesterday they had no concrete evidence of Al Qaeda involvement in the Thursday attacks, and continued to identify ETA -- a Basque separatist group -- as one suspect.

But the worldwide attention generated by the Abu Hafs al Masri e-mail, received hours after the attacks occurred, demonstrated how easily threats purported to be from Al Qaeda can be spread. Terrorism analysts say such claims form part of the tactics of psychological warfare and propaganda, designed to capitalize on actual violence and deepen public fear of more attacks.

"It goes to the more virtual nature of Al Qaeda," said Peter Bergen, a terrorism specialist at the New America Foundation in Washington. "Some are real; some are waging psychological warfare."

A US official who has access to the latest intelligence information said the brigade's name is the nom de guerre of a senior bin Laden lieutenant who was killed by American forces in an airstrike in Afghanistan in November 2001.

"The name they picked out is what is sometimes confusing. Their ties to Al Qaeda are not as clear-cut," said the official, who asked that his name not be used. He added that US intelligence officials do not know whether the group exists.

Another US intelligence official said, "This group, organization, or whatever it is, is a phantom." link:http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/03/13/officials_group_tying_self_to_blasts_may_not_be_real/

http://www.sfgate.com/comics/meyer/

WV;

I think your suggestion of the Association for Re-
search and Enlightment(ARE)is terrific. What
could be better than joyning such an illustrious
Organization in their prayer?

Thank you for letting me know. I will begin to-
morrow. I was a member for years and years, but
I finally had to give it up because of financial
reasons.

Sally.......I think I share your opinions on Nader and Kerry entirely! Just because Nader may have been a good and incorruptible soul does not translat5e into being a good president.

By the way, one of the reasons I support Kerry is that one elects, not just a president, but an administration. Wouldn't it be loverly to see the neocaons and Negreponte, and Tennant, and Bremer and such, be replaced by the likes of Biden, and Holbrooke, and McCain, and Richardson? What a lovely and reassuring thought that is!

Thank you everyone! May I suggest that starting June 8th anyone so inclined join their minds for peace with the Cayce group at noon, and do it every day and hold the thought of power for good. Great power is from whence we came and it is our birthrigh to use just as was done in Britain. That story (and Al Gore's speech) gave me a real buzz of hope. If, however, Sally feels that the early morninhg time is best, then that. But whether or not all do this at the same time together or not, the hearts and minds of millions are already there and good always prevail, for so it has been written.

Dear Sally,

Yet still he speaks...I am glad he still speaks - shining his light! - Might be better than political success just now.

So much posted here - can not keep up with you all but will gladly participate in a prayer vigil...

Madeline

Wow Teg! So in order to be a good president you can be corruptible and not good? Huh! Well blow me down.

And on that note let's all join in that prayer. Maybe God'll listen. Hahahah.

Tonight we find out that the Bushies have made 2 more countries agree to war crimes, through intimidation.

(Sally, I WILL make you love Ralph. Hahahahaha.)

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040526/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_international_court_2

...worth the read....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4933500-103677,00.html

http://tinyurl.com/2bvv8
As seen in the streets of New York

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040525/dctu076_1.html

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...But specialists say there is no evidence the organization exists...The latest message warned that an attack against the United States is "90 percent ready."...Another US intelligence official said, "This group, organization, or whatever it is, is a phantom....
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Just to make my position perfectly clear (and I apologize to those who already know this) I don't even particularly LIKE John Kerry. I'm just painfully aware of the one~sidedness of the media coverage in this country.

I am all for participating in a mass Cosmic ju~jitsu maneuver against Bu$h. As far as I'm concerned, removing Bu$h is self-defense and a karmic~debt free activity. I believe his soul was already captured in a jar and thrown into a river by a village shaman during one of his overseas trips...

Check this out, watch the trailer at the link through this site if you can:

Orwell Rolls in his Grave "1984 is no longer a date in the future."
http://www.buzzflash.com/orwell/default.htm

Namaste~
~D

It's settled -

Kerry to Accept Nomination at Convention

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040527/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_convention&cid=694&ncid=716

you'll love this idea Roxanne

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4933348-103677,00.html

Hang in there, Teg.
~D

Did no one read the speech by Al Gore that I posted earlier? Guess not.

shylurker, here is some comment from Salon.

http://tabletalk.salon.com/webx?50@@.1dd3a845/6438

Oh, my gosh, Pat, thanks so much.

What a different world it would have been shy.

Roxanne.........I think you misunderstood me. I meant that there are many qualities necessary to being a good president in addition to (not instead of) being good and incorruptible.

Shylurker! Saw Al Gore tonight giving his speech on C-Span ... best speech he has ever given and most powerful thing I've heard in 4 years. Anybody still able to catch it (C-Span is repeating it tonight) do so ... it's unbelieveable! I wish a major network had covered it in full ... I had tears in my eyes when he was done speaking. What a great President he would have made!

Siobhan, O thank you. Everyone: GO THERE! Pls.

I forgot to say: Thank you, Dommael :-)

AL GORE ADMIRERS:

Check out

al gore support group.com

Shylurker~
THIS was the guy who was going to be the President?

WHERE DO I SIGN?!?
~D

M, Madelaine, Jeannie, Siobhan, sv, Corleonis and anyone else I may have missed,

I'll be joining you in meditating for peace.

Sally,

Thanks for that exact time for Venus transit.

Did anyone get a chance to check out the site I listed somewhere previous about lighting candles for peace online. It's a beautiful idea. People from different countries are lighting candles for their intentions. Candles stay lit 48 hours.

Here it is again.

On the left side, click on LIGHT A CANDLE.

http://www.gratefulness.org/index.htm

I can't believe Gore even targeted Limbaugh~ it is to laugh!!!

That really just made my week, seriously.
:-)~D

Thanks to all of you who helped highlight Al's speech. I'm no big Al Gore fan, but I was 1) very moved that he would lay it all out so clearly, cogently and urgently and 2) very taken with what, to me, is that he sees this horrible thing before us (which, whether we like the image or not, is how the rest of the world sees us) as clearly as so many of us here do. We gotta struggle before us if we're going to survive!

Jaycee - Thank you for the candle link. Did you know that once you light one you get a little lit candle that stays on your screen all day?

This is part of an email I got from my twin sister. She works as a captioner, http://www.captioningseminars.org/home , notice the website is exclusively pink. Anyway, this is hilarious!
~D
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Also, did you catch President Bush's speech Monday?  I captioned it.  Good grief!  First of all, he mispronounced "Abu Ghraib" BADLY!  It was embarrassing.  I almost (not quite) felt sorry for him it was so awful. 
 
And I always thought that writing him would be easy because he talks so slow, but it was much more complicated than I thought because I would over-punctuate because I had too much time.  I kept putting a period thinking the sentence was over, and then realizing he's still adding words and I had to change it to commas!  Then, the dork, it was so slow that halfway through the sentence, I would forget what he had already said and if it was a question or not!  Hilarious.  Poor, poor, pitiful thing.  Bless his heart. ;0)
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It's so wonderful to have a big laugh, Dommael! Thanks so much for that. I surely needed it.

Aloha again :)

Thanks to everyone for making all the newcomers feel so welcome! I'll just briefly answer the questions that were asked because this really isn't astrology related (yet!!) Sitchen has translated tons of Sumerian tablets, he posits that the Sumerians knew of a 10th planet, Nibiru, that has an elliptical orbit of 3,600 years around our sun. It orbits in the opposite direction of all of the other planets, is approximately 3 times the size of earth & has sent people to our planet in the distant past (the Nefilim) His work is very thorough. The scientific community laughs him off, but they have yet to come up with any better theories.

Al Gore gave the speech of his life tonight - what a shame - this man should have been been President. I wonder what his chart shows for early next year?

Again, thank you for the wonderful welcome. I'll try to stay on topic in the future.

Morague

Sioban, I absolutely LOVED the NeverEnding Story. I took my son to see it when it first came out, and I never get tired of seeing TV reruns.

Dear Dommael,

Please ask your sweet sister not to say, bless his
heart. I can't be that charitable, and besides dimson doesn't have a heart.

I rarely talk to the television, but during President Gore's speech I was clapping and giving
the raised fist sign. He was wonderful. I was disappointed and angry that he didn't encourage stronger action when the election was stolen, but he more or less explained that tonight saying he was in disagreement with the Supreme Court but he believed in the rule of law, having no idea dimson would be so bad and ignore the rule of law.

I wish he was the current resident of the WH, he should be. And he's right, dimson has not brought humility to our foregin policy but humiliation. Everything he said was so true, I was thrilled. I must say Gore is so much better than Kerry.

I also watched General Zinni tonight. It occurs to me the Generals know a coup has already happened in this country, and perhaps because of that they are emboldened to committ another. wow.

The next thing that occurs to me is that if we looked at countries who have had martial law declared, if we knew the date and time, we might have a clue as to whether the aspects are lined up
for such an event in this country.

We might even be able to find the aspects that are
present when a coup d'etat takes place.

Regarding thoughts on marshall law - I think there is no way literal marshall law could happen the way laws are set up in this country. But the recent vocal public dissention from notables such as General Zinni etc. will become a figurative marshall law when enough of them speaking with one voice are able to change the course of this current mad strategy.

Jeannie,

I think Marshall Law refers to the Marshall plan put in effect after WW2 in Europe.

Martial law has to do with the United States Army/National Guard operating within the United States of America (against its own citizens) and such plans and capabilities in this country have been in effect since Ronald Reagan, first under FEMA, the agency usually attributed with sending out the National Guard in times of earthquakes, floods and so on, but more narrowly defined under Reagan and now under Bush even more so under Tom Ridge and Homeland Security with the authority to "handle" "internal dissent or national opposition to an invasion abroad" (gives you some idea why Al Gore may have been sweating so profusely tonight)

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/27/1027497418339.html

Read it and weep:

Foundations are in place for martial law in the US
By Ritt Goldstein July 27 2002

Recent pronouncements from the Bush Administration and national security initiatives put in place in the Reagan era could see internment camps and martial law in the United States.

When president Ronald Reagan was considering invading Nicaragua he issued a series of executive orders that provided the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) with broad powers in the event of a "crisis" such as "violent and widespread internal dissent or national opposition against a US military invasion abroad". They were never used.

But with the looming possibility of a US invasion of Iraq, recent pronouncements by President George Bush's domestic security chief, Tom Ridge, and an official with the US Civil Rights Commission should fire concerns that these powers could be employed or a de facto drift into their deployment could occur.

On July 20 the Detroit Free Press ran a story entitled "Arabs in US could be held, official warns". The story referred to a member of the US Civil Rights Commission who foresaw the possibility of internment camps for Arab Americans. FEMA has practised for such an occasion.

FEMA, whose main role is disaster response, is also responsible for handling US domestic unrest.

From 1982-84 Colonel Oliver North assisted FEMA in drafting its civil defence preparations. Details of these plans emerged during the 1987 Iran-Contra scandal.

They included executive orders providing for suspension of the constitution, the imposition of martial law, internment camps, and the turning over of government to the president and FEMA.

A Miami Herald article on July 5, 1987, reported that the former FEMA director Louis Guiffrida's deputy, John Brinkerhoff, handled the martial law portion of the planning. The plan was said to be similar to one Mr Giuffrida had developed earlier to combat "a national uprising by black militants". It provided for the detention "of at least 21 million American Negroes"' in "assembly centres or relocation camps".

Today Mr Brinkerhoff is with the highly influential Anser Institute for Homeland Security. Following a request by the Pentagon in January that the US military be allowed the option of deploying troops on American streets, the institute in February published a paper by Mr Brinkerhoff arguing the legality of this.

He alleged that the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which has long been accepted as prohibiting such deployments, had simply been misunderstood and misapplied.

The preface to the article also provided the revelation that the national plan he had worked on, under Mr Giuffrida, was "approved by Reagan, and actions were taken to implement it".

By April, the US military had created a Northern Command to aid Homeland defence. Reuters reported that the command is "mainly expected to play a supporting role to local authorities".

However, Mr Ridge, the Director of Homeland Security, has just advocated a review of US law regarding the use of the military for law enforcement duties.

Disturbingly, the full facts and final contents of Mr Reagan's national plan remain uncertain. This is in part because President Bush took the unusual step of sealing the Reagan presidential papers last November. However, many of the key figures of the Reagan era are part of the present administration, including John Poindexter, to whom Oliver North later reported.

At the time of the Reagan initiatives, the then attorney-general, William French Smith, wrote to the national security adviser, Robert McFarlane: "I believe that the role assigned to the Federal Emergency Management Agency in the revised Executive Order exceeds its proper function as a co-ordinating agency for emergency preparedness ... this department and others have repeatedly raised serious policy and legal objections to an 'emergency czar' role for FEMA."
(so instead we now have a Homeland Czar)

Criticism of the Bush Administration's response to September 11 echoes Mr Smith's warning. On June 7 the former presidential counsel John Dean spoke of America's sliding into a "constitutional dictatorship" and martial law.

Ritt Goldstein is an investigative journalist and a former leader in the movement for US law enforcement accountability. He revealed exclusively in the Herald last week the Bush Administration's plans for a domestic spying system more pervasive than the Stasi network in East Germany

Not to worry, Pallas18, my sister always votes Democrat.
~D

Thanks for the martial typo correction Pallas - freudian slip??? (I think I had in my mind the OK Corral sort of Marshall - LOL)
Maybe we really do need a WWII marshall plan to get this mess straightened out!

http://allafrica.com/sudan

Sally, lets hope peace is on the horizon.

Azara, my heart aches everyday for Africa. I cannot get the Sudan off my mind and I don't know what to do to help. There is an agency here in Colo. that collects items (food, rice, and money) and I give when I can. I just can't stop thinking of their horror. I pray this is something lasting for them, it just has to be, they have had enough, surly they have suffered enough.

Pallas and Jennie you are both right, "Martial Law was instituted in Germany under the "Marshall Plan" so the words are now used interchangable. In Germany they do spell "Martial Law" as Marshall Law" I have been exchanging emails this last couple of years with some friends of mine in Germany and they use the "Marshall" spelling and I've fallen into the habit of doing that myself.

You are right, the framework is in place and I don't think they need Congress to ratify it. Years ago, right after the election I was at a lecture of a little known astrologer in California and I remember him saying that the day would come that the people would literally drag them out of the White House. I am with you Pallas, when I heard Al Gore speak I couldn't sit still, I was on my feet crying and clapping. They should have played "Hail to the Chief."

Good Lord. The Venus Rx and occultation may have to do with Martial Law.

While looking for countries and dates when martial law was declared, I came across some interesting material about martial law and the
time of the last 1882 Venus occultation.

This looks meaningful: (in the neighborhood and dimson knowing no history because he never reads, doomed to repeat the same mistakes the British made - you'd think Tony would have told him:

Egypt

With the occupation of 1882, Egypt became a part of the British Empire but never officially a colony. The khedival government provided the facade of autonomy, but behind it lay the real power in the country, specifically, the British agent and consul general, backed by British troops.

At the outset of the occupation, the British government declared its intention to withdraw its troops as soon as possible.(sound familiar?) This could not be done, however, until the authority of the khedive was restored. Eventually, the British realized that these two aims were incompatible because the military intervention, which Khedive Tawfiq supported and which prevented his overthrow, had undermined the authority of the ruler. Without the British presence, the khedival government would probably have collapsed.

In addition, the British government realized that the most effective way to protect its interests was from its position in Egypt.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Japan formulated its martial law provisions on August 5, 1882
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3/5/1882 - President Chester A. Arthur declares martial law for Tombstone

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Sally and all,

Could we have a "write-in" to nominate Gore for
President. He was wonderful!

" How dare they drag the good name of the United States through the mud of Saddamm's torture prisons!" he shouted angrily and passionately.

Tonight Amnesty International was also on C Span
talking about the criminal violations. This is building and building. Hallelujah. The tide has turned...as a matter of fact I think dimson is in a riptide. tsk.

Now if we all start calling and e mailing both republicans and democrats in Congress and Senate and demanding accountability, firings, and definitely impeachment , they may get frightened enough to hogtie dimson and cabal from doing further damage.

We all keep concentrating on the WH but we really
need to change the House of Reps and Senate and make sure they're not full of these fundamentalists wackos ever again.

and by the way.

Some members of the Supreme Court should be taken away in handcuffs too. They are responsible for
this DISASTER and the ruining of this country.

!!!

I believe the occultation of Venus is in June not July.

Sally, bless your kind heart. Sudan has had the longest civil war in Africa. We must pray that the universe embraces and heals the trauma and horror that is been passed down from parent to child.

I have no idea what karma the African continent had created to have an entire history of despair.

Speaking of McCain!!

From StarIQ Newscope at http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0005434.HTM

As a former Presidential candidate himself, John McCain (August 29, 1936; 8:56 am; Coco Solo AFB, Panama) ran into the same problem as Howard Dean of being too unpredictable and having a volatile temper. Both men have their Mars in hard aspect to Uranus, the planet that gives this maverick quality. Currently, McCain is under a major Uranus vibration, an astrological set-up that could push him into the Democrats' camp.

Transiting Uranus is now opposing McCain's Virgo Sun. This astro-event alone is enough to make one bolt from a long-standing tradition. Uranus here inclines the individual to make sudden and unexpected changes. Also, his progressed Mars is making a strong link* to his Seventh House Uranus. Last week we saw these celestial influences spark up when the Senator and House Speaker Dennis Hastert broke into open feuding.

Another huge factor in McCain's chart is that transiting Saturn is rapidly rising toward his Midheaven, his point of honor. Saturn here indicates that McCain is nearing the peak of his professional career. His ambition is keen, yet he remains a Senator from Arizona . If he were ever to break from his party, this is the season. With Venus retrograde now, which is his planetary ruler, he may be seriously re-considering running as Kerry's Veep.

**** I know McCain is a republican and I've noticed some posters here don't appreciate him, but I have ALWAYS liked him! Oh sometimes he aggravates me when he tows the party line, but I feel he is truly a good man and I've been thinking lately he might just be tempted to leave the republican party. A Kerry-McCain ticket would rule!! The moderate republicans would flock to vote for this ticket! Of course the Limbaughs of the country will consider him a traitor! (He's used to that)

If anyone wants to know, Al Gore was born in

Wahington, D.C.- March 32, 1948 - 12:53PM

Sorry, that's March 31

The word "martial" derives from Mars!!! As in the god of war.
Thus, "martial law"--which we are increasingly experiencing here in the Land of the Free--is a restrictive set of measures imposed during wartime.

And Smirky has even more restrictive martial laws to lay on us.

Good morning Astroworld! I'm still lifted by the awesome speech Al Gore gave us all yesterday, and the fabulous info Sidney Blumenthal put out about quiet interviews being requested of neocons regarding their high crimes and misdemeanors. Ah! Life is good.

Now this.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=525272

Kerry surges ahead in 12 crucial swing states as Bush poll ratings plummet

George Bush has had a warning shot from the crucial battleground states likely to decide the outcome of the presidential election where his rival John Kerry is surging ahead.

Less than six months from election day, polls suggest that Mr Kerry is leading the President in 12 of the 16 so-called swing states. In some states the lead is slight, but in places such as New Hampshire, which Mr Bush won in 2000, Mr Kerry has a lead of almost 10 per cent.

Though polls offer only a snapshot in time, pollster John Zogby, who made the latest survey, said if the present leads in these 16 states hold true - and Democrats and Republicans hold on to the states each party won easily in 2000 - Mr Kerry will win with a margin of 102 electoral college votes. In 2000, Mr Bush beat Al Gore by 271 to 267.

"I have made a career of taking bungee jumps in my election calls," Mr Zogby wrote in an op-ed article. "Here is my jump for 2004: John Kerry will win the election ... We are unlikely to see any big bumps for either candidate because opinion is so polarised and, I believe, frozen in place. There are still six months to go and anything can happen. But as of today, this race is John Kerry's to lose."

More...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1225688,00.html
Great minds/same sewer, huh Pat? Er, excuse me: same lofty pinnacle. I am taking it as a very positive sign that Blumenthal ends this piece almost poetically. Loftiness indeed.

Yup! ! !

When I first came on this board, I asked that you
send back all your anger and FEARS to those who
originated such emotions.

As you can reasonably see, it WORKED. It is THEY
now who are the ones beset by FEAR, mostly because
'chickens are coming home to roost'...........

But in their fear, they are STILL trying their
darnest to project it on to us. REJECT IT AND
SEND IT BACK! ! !It will boomerang to whomever
initiated it.

THANK YOU

Shylurker, I love that article! I have reread it a few times, and I'm still not tired of any of it. It makes my heart sing. :-)

Corlieonis, as you said yesterday, this is indeed a war, and the spiritual war must be won in order to bring peace. That was such an uplifting post, and I thank you for it.

Azara, I sometimes think it's not Africa's karma but the karma of the rest of the world being created here, I just cannot figure out why Africians went along with it.

Sometimes I wonder how far along we would be as a human race if the energies and money had not been drained off through the centuries for wars. I don't understand this drive for absolute power and using people as fodder whether it's a warlord, a president, a dictator. I don't understand why, is it money, is it control, is it that we the people have a tendency to fear insanity when faced with it and therefore just step back. I do not know what it is within the human race that enjoys control over their fellow man and if you watch two years olds that desire starts early.

Sally, it exists right down to the sexes. I don't know why either. If we would all just cooperate with eachother, there is nothing we could not accomplish. Astounding.

SHIFT

Ok, have a great day everyone!

http://www.ic.sunysb.edu/Stu/jepark/Al%20Gore%20and%20wife.gif

Could this possibly be true? Incredible

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5060685/site/newsweek/

From Sidney Blumenthal's UK Guardian article:
(and thank you all for pointing me there)

"Comment

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The Bush orthodoxy is in shreds

A series of investigations has shattered neocon self-belief

Sidney Blumenthal
Thursday May 27, 2004
The Guardian

At a conservative thinktank in downtown Washington, and across the Potomac at the Pentagon, FBI agents have begun paying quiet calls on prominent neoconservatives, who are being interviewed in an investigation of potential espionage, according to intelligence sources. Who gave Ahmed Chalabi classified information about the plans of the US government and military?
The Iraqi neocon favourite, tipped to lead his liberated country post-invasion, has been identified by the CIA and Defence Intelligence Agency as an Iranian double-agent, passing secrets to that citadel of the "axis of evil" for decades. All the while the neocons cosseted, promoted and arranged for more than $30m in Pentagon payments to the George Washington manque of Iraq. In return, he fed them a steady diet of disinformation and in the run-up to the war sent various exiles to nine nations' intelligence agencies to spread falsehoods about weapons of mass destruction. If the administration had wanted other material to provide a rationale for invasion, no doubt that would have been fabricated. Either Chalabi perpetrated the greatest con since the Trojan horse, or he was the agent of influence for the most successful intelligence operation conducted by Iran, or both.

The CIA and other US agencies had long ago decided that Chalabi was a charlatan, so their dismissive and correct analysis of his lies prompted their suppression by the Bush White House.

In place of the normal channels of intelligence vetting, a jerry-rigged system was hastily constructed, running from the office of the vice president to the newly created Office of Special Plans inside the Pentagon, staffed by fervent neocons. CIA director George Tenet, possessed with the survival instinct of the inveterate staffer, ceased protecting the sanctity of his agency and cast in his lot. Secretary of state Colin Powell, resistant internally but overcome, decided to become the most ardent champion, unveiling a series of neatly manufactured lies before the UN.

Last week, Powell declared "it turned out that the sourcing was inaccurate and wrong and, in some cases, deliberately misleading. And for that I'm disappointed, and I regret it". But who had "deliberately" misled him? He did not say. Now the FBI is investigating espionage, fraud and, by implication, TREASON.

My God. It is and has been TREASON. And I believe the main actor is dimson. Although they'll probably try for Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowtiz, Feith and Perle.

Raiding the treasury hasn't stopped.

While all the news is breaking about dimson's incompetence, he and the repugnants are still moving to cut more social programs from the budget
to insure further tax cuts to their chums.

If we all visualize dimson and his dastardly veep being taken out of the WH whether in cuffs or a straight jacket as fireworks go off in the sky, July 4th might really be a celebration.
*******

I have been pondering why we on this board and like souls have seen from the very very beginning what dimson and company was, while the rest of the country did not. It has to be because, as this is an astrology site, and by extrapolation, we are people who are interested in the more sensitive side of life, that we are more attuned to the vibrations of the world, and thus more intuitively inclined than most. Otherwise we all would not be reading and posting on a site such as this.

What a blessing.

What a wonderful time for a celebration.

....speaks for itself....

http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/luckovich/index.html

P.S. to All

Would you all think it would be a good idea to
e mail Sidney Blumenthal's article to Hastert and
every republican and democrat in the House of
Reps and the SEnate?

Believe it or not they are not aware of everything that is published out here. It might be a really good strong incentive for them to separate from the party line, and consider impeachment hearings. It might just scare the pants off those who have towed the party line to the detriment of this country.

____

Laurie,

McCain is a helluva nice guy. However he truly believes in the Republican mantra, not the neocons, but otherwise his beliefs are the Republican party line, which means destroying all social programs from the last 50 years.

He's doing just fine where he is speaking out against this administration's policies.

I would not be taking bets about his switching parties. He may upset his party with his Uranus aspects, but making a switch to the democrats would be highly improbable.

Pat:

Thank you for agreeing with me. Sometimes I feel
like I'm 'losing it'. Like a lot of other people
on this board, I too am undergoing the "Saturn
effect" and have had to fight like 'hades' to
hold down both depression and fear.

What seems to bring this on, mostly, are the un-
godly tales from Iraq and Afghanistan. The AP
revelations of what really happened at that wedd-
ing that supposedly wasn't a 'wedding' really
shook me to my core......As I hold my babies and
caress them and kiss them, the pain those mothers
must feel almost makes me physically ill. And
that is only one of the thousands of reports that
will never reach our ears......As we can tell, the
AP 'wedding report' has already been buried deep
beneath the desert sands.....

Then yesterday morning, all this BS about 'terra'
attacks almost drove me into an 'asthma' attack...
I live in downtown St. Petersburg, Florida and
Central Command is right across the Bay. If that
were one of the targets, chances are we would feel
it 'big time' and the little ones are with me most
of the time......

When I finally calmed down, I got mad, good and
stark-raving mad. They can't do this to us, over
and over again. In spite of the Astrological real
ity, deep within me I have to agree with Dommael
that these alerts are always tied to some crisis
in this administration.

So, I sent it all back into the ether, to wherever
it originated, 'full-force, 100%'.....and it will
hit back, because energy that has been emanated
will have to find a TARGET.

Sally

The Newsweek 'story" about Bush wearing
a hood is clearly marked "Satire"
It is not true.
But then again we have no pictures of
his head up his tush, and we know that
is true.

Touche!, wv. (Apologies for the lame pun.)

Woo~hoo!!! It just gets better and better~! That Blumenthal piece gave me a smile from ear to ear. Wait, what's that sound? Do I hear frogs marching?
***
trea·son ( P ) Pronunciation Key (trzn)
n.
1.Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it OR BY CONSCIOUSLY OR PURPOSELY ACTING TO AID ITS ENEMIES.
2.A betrayal of trust or confidence.
***
So the New York Times apologized, huh? Sorry, that's not good enough. 800 soldiers are dead because the NY Times and Washington Post swallowed everything the White House sent their way (and those journalists know the nature of Dimson better than we do, yes they do.)

On a side note, it can't have escaped everyone's attention that the slightest focus on the board toward sending karmic energy back against the Neo-cons was timed right in sync with these events?

Imagine what we can do if we really knuckle down and focus?!?

Awesome, folks. Light a candle. Light 6 million candles.
best,
~D

I never used to care much for George F. Will, the conservative columnist, but lately I think he must have had an epiphany. Read his column in today's Washington Post. (I'd post the link if I only knew how, alas)

Hey wv! Thanks for that article! Yeah, I guess it's true, but there go the jealous brits trying to steal our Number 1 asset! That would be fine with me. Just yesterday I was on the phone with my friends in Prague who will get me a beautiful apt for a great price, if I need to defect. As an extremely politically-minded people, they can understand my horror. And I'm glad I have good friends all over the world.

Hopefully, that won't be necessary.

But Sally, to clap and cry because a politician says what he's suppose to say, and what WE say is kind of pathetic. I don't blame you, our country has been hijacked by psychos, but we must keep our perspective here.

It's the ONLY problem I have here is that people are so polarized to be anti-republican and equate that only with being pro-democrat. It's like throwing out the baby with the bath water. Or just being fearful suckers.

I hope it's all true though about the swing states rejecting Bush in 12 of 16 or whatever it is. I pray that is so! I guess if I have to settle for shit in my pants instead of blood, I will.

Roxanne, you would like Prague. It's a lovely city, but not exactly politics free.

Morague,
Do you have a link to Sitchen, Nibiru and the Nefilim? That sounds fascinating! Shoot me an email and tell me about it. The Sumerians were right there when the cradle of civilization started, you KNOW they had some profound insights into what was going on. Ishtar, baby!!!
~D

Interesting stuff here that will lift you out of this mundane world & into a bigger picture. It's from a website that Beverly, I believe, originally posted re Venus occultation stuff :-)

http://awakening-healing.com./A-HNewsLetters/2004/Use_Discernment_with_Information_networks_SN_5404.htm

Inspiring, Sharon K!
~D

Morgana,

Happy Birthday to you... Happy Birthday to you! From all of us at astroworld...

Peace

Happy birthday to you!
Happy birthday to you!
Happy birthday, MORGANA!
Happy birthday to you.

--And many more . . .

Hi everybodoy,
Been out of pocket with the grandchildren all day, first day of summer for them... schools's out!

Someone posted about a possible date for a coup d'etat... well, we've already had that one... it was what they call an 'administrative' coup d'etat because the military was not involved... but it happened when the five crows in black robes (s)elected Dubya... the neocons came in with Dubya... the neocons date back to Nixon administration... we have to 'root' them out in November after we boot Dubya out... and we do need some Congressional backup for the Demo pres., Pallas 18... you're right

If you want to see how some of the races are going and what our chances are for what they call the 'battleground' states (those up for grabs) check out DailyKos.com --- lots of info there... check archived threads for last two or three days if you don't see anything up on front page now... I haven't checked today, so I don't know... but two days ago, Kerry was AHEAD by electoral college votes according to present polls... we are seeing more and more Conservative pundits like Geo Will tell it like it is, because they finally see what a mess of this country and the world this administration has made... last two Sundays Geo Will has actually countered the guests and sat and shook his head... I don't put any faith in Ashcroft's screams Terra, Terra coming coming... today there are articles that TWO of those Ashcroft said are wanted were arrested a year ago! besides the fact that 'no such organization' exists... even NPR (which has become a media whore) had a guest on yesterday who said he thought the warnings were mostly political... that because of situation in Iraq and the upcoming elections, we are more at risk... and I don't know if Joanna O. has changed her mind, but I tend to agree with her that the military is stretched (Nat'l Guard is in Iraq) and now with Colin Powell driving the train while they're getting ready to give Rumsfeld the boot, I don't see the likihood of martial law being declared. I think you would see an uprising from the people. You would be surprised at the percentage of people who think as we do...

Question: I live in S.C. which used to be 'Bush' country but I have yet to see a bumper sticker. I am in Charlotte, NC area now with the grandchildren and haven't seen one... how does it look where you guys are? any bumper stickers for Bush?

This board is really hot! Shylurker, how are you doing with this mars conj saturn transit in Cancer? I am feeling it at micro and macro level! Be glad when Mars moves off...

Light to all, and special white light and blessings to Morgana...

Namaste

Jo, I am lying low. So far (knock wood) I B OK.

Thanks for asking. Hang in there! We just might get the opportunity to vote in November. Yippeee!

One more thing, about the hoods... you guys do know they are not simply 'hoods' they use over detainees, don't you... they have been drenched in urine and excrement and they placed on the head... our guys got this idea they same place they got use of bulldozers and collective punishment...

Peace

Here are two excellent articles on the Venus aspect coming soon and on the Saturn Yod immediately following:

http://acumind.com/venus.html

http://www.experiencefestival.com/topic/articles/article/2033

Sally, Nancy, Isabelle, other astrologers ---

This is on Juan Cole's website today, seems the name of Iraq has been changed...

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They Even Changed its Name?

Nathan Brown, a Middle East expert at George Washington University, writes:

"With little fanfare, the name of Iraq seems to have been changed. In light of all that is happening, this is hardly the most significant
issue facing Iraq at the moment. But in view of the brief flap engendered by the Governing Council's decision to adopt a new flag, I thought
the name change might still be of some minor interest.

The country's official name in 1920 was the "State of Iraq." Following the overthrow of the monarchy in 1958, the name was changed to the
"Republic of Iraq" (or, more literally, the "Iraqi Republic.")

At some point last year, the older name--the "State of Iraq"--was restored. I do not know precisely who did this and why, but it seems to
have been done by the CPA some time last year. CPA legal documents are now issued for the "State of Iraq." UN Security Council Resolution 1511
(passed last October) uses the restored term, and the Transitional Administrative Law--signed in March 2004 but named (as far as I know) for
the first time in November 2003--is formally the "Law of Administration of the State of Iraq for the Transitional Period." (However, some
internal Iraqi documents still refer to it as a republic.)

Since the current Iraqi political order could hardly be described as a republic, there is some honesty in the new title. But it seems odd
that an interim administration would feel comfortable changing the name of the country.

Nathan J. Brown
http://home/gwu.edu/~nbrown

No, I know Pat, I've lived there for the summer in 1990, and visited in 1995. It is VERY politically minded! Those are people who know what it's like to be 'under'! But besides it being a beautiful city, there's more common sense than in America. But hopefully Bush'll be finished and I don't have to put my emergency plan into action!

Visiting the UK again in a few months, see if things have changed there as well! They were all grudginly accepting Blair because the economy is better than in 200 years or something like that, and it's completely true. I've never seen the UK in such great shape. I guess they learned how to do it from Clinton, but a lot of people say it's a bit illusory....

Even Merle Haggard can't stand it.

Canadian links expire fast, so visit soon if you've a mind to...

http://www.calgarysun.com/perl-bin/niveau2.cgi?s=films&p=84651.html&a=1

(was googling "prisons" can't stop myself....)

upthread was an inquiry about bumperstickers generally. I'm in the Bay Area (SF) and have seen some fresh flags out (I think, unless I just started looking) since the prison scandals. I don't know what to make of that. I sure haven't been feeling like waving the flag, so I guess it's the lone brave 'pugs.

Thank you for the Happy Birthday!

I stayed up late to catch Al Gore on CSPAN last night. Touched my heart that he was really 'our' President not the dimson in Residence.

Hey Morgana, happy birthday! Your solar return was most likely yesterday, which was filled with aspects and that moon in Leo will hopefully give you all the vain stregnth you need to get through your current sitch!!!!! Godspeed!

I think I'm having a Venus party on the 9th..so if anyone is in L.A. here let me know...If you're rich and want to fly in, you're invited too. You have to wear green or gold/yellow or a bit of red for that Mars decan...Eat and smoke some green food, drink some red wine, and hope for the best for the next 8 years. Any idea for the perfect video to be on for a Venus party? I guess the Beatles. I remember Abbie Hoffman, and Alan Ginsburg referring to the whole anti-war movement of the 60s as Beatle politics. Love it!
Oh this is all in Jesus name, I'm not pagan.

p.s. and no, there's no pics of ralph up on the walls! hahahah..

I have to believe that Gore's speech was a manifestation of hundreds of thousands of people pouring their energy through the web of communication known as the Internet (hey, whodayyathink invented it?!?) I've encountered so many souls devoting their energy into uncovering the truth, enlightening others and dispelling the illusions of the Bu$h administration over the last few years. We are truly just a drop in a vast ocean here at Astroworld.

This speech is the result of countless hours of data checking, cross-referencing and the exercising of collective will of all those who cannot, will not let the truth die. Besides, its the first indication in quite sometime that our leaders do not live in a different world than we do. And what a refreshing change in perspective from Bu$h's policy of "all we have is a hammer, so everything looks like a nail!"

I'm so happy!

Happy Birthday, Morgana~
~D

Hi Morgana, hope you are moving gently through the days...

I think Al Gore is proving to America what they missed when they didn't rise up in December 2000 and fight for him... he won, but then the universe has our lessons for us... our underbelly has manifested in the person of Bush and his minions... more than half of us see it...

Gore's role may prove to be the 'junk yard dog' - you know, the one who grab's Bush's pant leg and growls and growls, 'til enough people see that the Shrub is what he is... Gore may be the 'awakener' --- we surely need someone to rattle the cages and wake folks up... Kerry can't do that, he has to remain above that fray...

It will be interesting to watch Gore... who knows what will be 'on down the road' --- right, Sally?

Pallas 18 posted part of Blumenthal's article, but I particularly like the last part, and I believe it is empowering... will give you a lift if you need one... things are happening faster than they did with Watergate, but maybe this time we can really give these folks the punishment they need instead of a slap on the wrist so they come back in 4/8 years...
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Blumenthal:

"Washington, which was just weeks ago in the grip of neoconservative orthodoxy and absolute belief in Bush's inevitability and righteousness, is now in the throes of agonizing events and being ripped apart by investigations. Things fall apart; all that was hidden is revealed; all sacred exposed as profane: the military, loyal and lumbering, betrayed and embittered; the general in the field, Lt. Gen. Sanchez, disgraced and cashiered; and the most respected retired generals training their artillery on those who have ill-used the troops, still dying in the field; the intelligence agencies, a nautilus of chambers, abused and angry, its retired operatives plying their craft with the press corps, seeping dangerous truths; the press, hesitatingly and wobbly, investigating its own falsehoods; the neocons, publicly redoubling their passionate intensity, defending their hero and deceiver Chalabi, privately squabbling, anxiously awaiting the footsteps of FBI agents; Colin Powell, once the most acclaimed man in America, embarked on an endless quest to restore his reputation, damaged above all by his failure of nerve; everyone in the line of fire motioning toward the chain of command, spiraling upward and sideways, until the finger pointing in a phalanx is directed at the hollow crown."

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A shame we have to go to the Guardian to read Blumenthal isn't it? Oh goodness I miss the Rhodes Scholar we had... you remember, the one who burned the midnight oil reading... and reading... who spoke coherently and concisely, and rendered understanding of the situation... we all have flaws... perhaps America can learn to discern which ones really matter... a guy who can't zip up his pants, or one who breaks his oath of office? You know the oath that reads:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Our Constitution is in shreds...

Saturn, retribution is thy name...

Namaste

HAPPY BIRTHDAY MORGANA!

May I offer you this e-gift? Enjoy, and be well!

http://parrish.artpassions.net/

Worth repeating:

""I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Our Constitution is in shreds...

Saturn, retribution is thy name..."

Great articles Ann, The yod is extremely interesting however when I looked at it last year and noted that Neptune would be retrograde on the Yod, we would want to pay attention to when Neptune passes back over that degree also when the transiting moon hits that degree (Moon as timing) as well as Mercury going over the apex in Leo.

CORLEONIS,

I feel moved to respond to two of your posts above:

YOU POSTED:

1. When I first came on this board, I asked that you send back all your
anger and FEARS to those who originated such emotions.

As you can reasonably see, it WORKED. It is THEY
now who are the ones beset by FEAR, mostly because
'chickens are coming home to roost'...........

But in their fear, they are STILL trying their
darnest to project it on to us. REJECT IT AND
SEND IT BACK! ! !It will boomerang to whomever
initiated it.

2. . . . .So, I sent it all back into the ether, to wherever it originated, 'full-force, 100%'.....and it will hit back, because energy that has been emanated will have to find a TARGET.

MY RESPONSE:

You have such beautiful energy. I know that these uncertain and frustrating times can really ramp up the emotions.

Whenever we send anger and fear back to anyone, they either keep it, or send it out. Either way those vibrations of anger and fear are floating around for anyone to pick up: you, me, your family, anyone. It becomes an endless loop of sending and receiving that same anger and fear. It only changes when we consciously choose to transform it. Also, whatever we send out, whether negative or positive, a portion of it stays with us.

SOME WORDS THAT I HAVE FOUND HELPFULTO USE:

I release this fear(or anger), transform it into light and send it out to the universe.
OR,

I release this fear(or anger) , transform it into light and send it out to ______ (person, situation).

Light is an energy. It brings awareness. It brings insights. It brings a higher vibration to a person or situation. What they do with it is their responsibility. We don’t have to like someone to do this. We don’t have to agree with them. But in sending out light we are assuming our responsibility, doing our job - to raise the frequency of the earth- one thought at a time.

I know you agree that we can use all the light we can get.

Let’s remind ourselves to remind one another.

Peace,

This could be what the fluck is the matter with those people:
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99995037

It was called, "smart border declaration."
Yep, here is the info on the draft I was speaking about, many moons ago:

{From CONGRESS.ORG
Pending Draft Legislation Targeted for Spring 2005
The Draft will Start in June 2005

There is pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills: S 89 and HR 163) which will time the program's initiation so the draft can begin at early as Spring 2005 -- just after the 2004 presidential election. The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the elections, so our action on this is needed immediately.

$28 million has been added to the 2004 Selective Service System (SSS) budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. Selective Service must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation. Please see website: www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the sss annual performance plan - fiscal year 2004.

The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide.. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan [and a permanent state of war on "terrorism"] proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft.

Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and HR 163 forward this year, http://www.hslda.org/legislation/na...s89/default.asp entitled the Universal National Service Act of 2003, "to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons [age 18--26] in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently sit in the committee on armed services.

Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era.

College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.

Even those voters who currently support US actions abroad may still object to this move, knowing their own children or grandchildren will not have a say about whether to fight. Not that it should make a difference, but this plan, among other things, eliminates higher education as a
shelter and includes women in the draft.

The public has a right to air their opinions about such an important decision.

Please send this on to all the friends, parents, aunts and uncles, grandparents, and cousins that you know. Let your children know too -- it's their future, and they can be a powerful voice for change!

Please also contact your representatives to ask them why they aren't telling their constituents about these bills -- and contact newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're not covering this important story

ah, so true!

http://www.sfgate.com/comics/fiore/

Happy Birthday, Morgana, and good health. My mother came through her heart cath and angioplasty with flying colors. Was able to surprise her with a visit from Doc, one of the hospital therapy dogs. He's a beautiful standard poodle. Thanks to all who offered their warm thoughts and prayers. Took some of the edge off her natural Cancer crabbiness.

Jo, I miss Bill Clinton too. He has more talent than any man has a right to have (although I would not want to be married to him).

As for the bumper sticker: I've seen many from Bush/Cheney but most I've seen are old and worn from weather. My next door neighbor though has one on his car for Kerry. One of my co-workers was honored on the Kerry website as being the one millionth on-line contributor and Kerry is coming to Independence next Thursday and I so hope the crowd is HUGE!!

I'm in Missouri which is one of the all-important swing states. Talk radio is full of pro-Bush callers and announcers but I have run into very few in person. Hopefully, this swing state is swinging to the Kerry camp.

On an earlier thread, the possibility of severe weather was mentioned and boy we sure are getting the heck beat out of us. More severe stuff on the way today.

here is another great venus article, with links to other articles at the bottom. http://www.experiencefestival.com/index.php/topic/articles/article/5824

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=569&u=/nm/20040527/tc_nm/tech_surveillance_dc&printer=1

Govt Computer Surveillance Rings Alarm Bells

Thu May 27,12:10 AM ET Add Technology - Reuters
By Andy Sullivan

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Nine months after Congress shut down a controversial Pentagon (news - web sites) computer-surveillance program, the U.S. government continues to comb private records to sniff out suspicious activity, according to a congressional report obtained by Reuters.\

Privacy concerns prompted Congress to kill the Pentagon's $54 million Total Information Awareness program last September, but government computers are still scanning a vast array of databases for clues about criminal or terrorist activity, the General Accounting Office (news - web sites) found.

Overall, 36 of the government's 199 "data mining" efforts collect personal information from the private sector, a move experts say could violate civil liberties if left unchecked.

Several appear to be patterned after Total Information Awareness, which critics said could have led to an Orwellian surveillance state in which citizens have little privacy.

"I believe that Total Information Awareness is continuing under other names, and the (Defense Department) projects listed here might fit that bill," said Peter Swire, an Ohio State University law professor who served as the Clinton administration's top privacy official.

read rest at url

call for global oneness prayer June 8th

Venus Transit: Oneness Prayer at June 8th 11.00-11.30 am (GMT London)

We call people from all walks of Life to gather together to pray together in the Spirit of Oneness at the Venus Transit June 8th 11.00-11.30 am (GMT London).

Never doubt that a small, group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.
Margaret Mead

http://www.experiencefestival.com/index.php/topic/articles/article/5688

Shade,
Thanks for the reminder on the draft. We have had posts on previous threads about it... in addition to mandating women, the age max for both sexes is being increased from 25 to 34... these Fascists want all the fodder they can get... they are also calling up 118,000 IRR now, so they are not planning to leave anytime soon, they are escalating as we sigh!

Speaking of Fascists, Crisispapers.org has a web page on this with some outstanding articles, one in particular I highly recommend is

Taking a Closer Look at the Patriot Act
Where Are You Heading, America?
By BRIAN CLOUGHLEY

The parallels with 1930s Germany are ominous . . .

Have you read the USA PATRIOT Act right through, and examined every one of its amendments to existing legislation? Has anyone done this, apart from its authors and a few agitated souls in media, academia and some Congressional offices? It is 342 pages long, and went through the legislative process of the United States like a hot knife through butter. Senators voted 98 to 1 for the Act, and the House endorsed it by 357 to 56, but not one of those who approved its terms could possibly have had time to read it and cross-reference its details before endorsing it. This was governance by misplaced trust, because the Patriot Act is potentially the most dangerous piece of legislation in US history.

The Act alters 15 Statutes. The prerogatives, personal authority and dominance of the president of the United States have been extended to include drastic and quasi-imperial powers that threaten the liberties of all Americans.

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Did you get that? "the Patriot Act is potentially the most dangerous piece of legislation in US history."

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Some other articles on Fascism are:

Benita Singh: New Bill Threatens Intellectual Freedom in Area Studies, Yale Daily News, November 6, 2003

New Orleans Channel: Court Opens Door To Searches Without Warrants, New Orleans Channel.com, March 29, 2004

Rev. Rich Lang: George Bush and the Rise of Christian Fascism, Smirking Chimp, March 8, 2004

And many more.

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Corleonis,

I recall your comments on 'turning bad energy back' --- it appeals to me... in fact, I don't watch Bush on TV or listen to him on the radio because I don't want his energy in my aura. For the same reason, I don't watch movies with even a minimum of violence in them. I don't have the power to transform all the energy that could come into my space if I allowed it, so I have to do what I can to protect myself. Long ago I discovered that I'm rather like a sponge, I tend to soak up the energy around me.

bhakti spoke about this once when I was feeling innundated with sorrow... remember? Even with my family, I sometimes have to slip away for a few hours or even days to re-center myself. So, I think that whatever we can do individually that works is good. Transforming my own energy keeps me busy enough!

I'm grateful for the Buddhist and other monks who spend their entire lives meditating and praying for all of us. And for the prayers and meditations of all who work for peace.

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As for the alerts, Corleonis --- remember that this administration was to keep us shrouded in fear. Here's a link about Ashcroft's rant yesterday. What strikes me is the CEO way of running the government. I thought the intelligence agencies were supposed to work to find out where danger is and then take care of it. This group goes around like chicken little screaming 'the sky is falling, the sky is falling' and expects us to find the bad guys. They don't pay attention to their own intelligence. Remember the August 2001 PDB? CEO's delegate from the top down... all the way to us. So, look out for pregnant women, and folks wearing heavy clothing in this hot weather (altho they might be mentally ill, street people) etc. As someone suggested. this list sounds like the criteria for retailers on the lookout for shoplifters!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1674321

Namaste

"Homeland Security" and all those funding cuts. It isn't just the Constitution the pResident is NOT protecting.

http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=6228

Nick Berg's name is popping up again. Too strange!
Michael Moore apparently has film footage of Berg in Iraq.
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The footage, of an interview with Berg, "is approximately 20 minutes long. We are not releasing it to the media," Moore said in a statement. "It is not in the film. We are dealing privately with the family."

This may be why Ashcroft was ranting yesterday.

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2004/05/1694868.php

Send that fear back, folks. The Neocons are more afraid of us than we are of them, I guarantee it.
~D

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/02/04/p/02_calico.html

Calico Cats Admit Fear of Attorney General
April 2, 2002
By Gil Christner

A new poll of calico cats across the country reveals that a great majority of them are deathly afraid of Attorney General John Ashcroft, many of them stating that he is, in fact, a sign of the Devil.

A poll conducted by CNN/Time/Cat Fancy Magazine show that over 52% of the calico cats questioned feel very afraid of the Attorney General, and 36% are somewhat afraid. In addition, cats of other varieties and colors also admit to a high "disliking or feeling of avoidance towards" Mr. Ashcroft.

"Most calicos, while not necessarily religious by nature, just feel a tremendous fear when confronted with the idea of John Ashcroft," said Kitty Kelly, author of Pussy Galore to Socks: The History of Felines in Political Intrigue. Miss Kelly, who is not related to, but often confused with the unofficial biographer of Nancy Reagan, insists that while very few cats even believe in the Devil, the image of the Attorney General unrestrained by the Constitution or other laws of the land is enough to send most felines into a Pentecostal delirium.

Wear red on Friday?

http://www.wvgazette.com/section/Editorials/2004052610

Happy Birthday Morgana!!
How are you doing?

http://www.buzzflash.com/orwell/default.htm

Has America entered an Orwellian world of Doublespeak where outright lies can pass for the truth?

Are Americans being sold a bill of goods by a handful of transnational media corporations and political elites whose interests have little in common with the interests of the American people? Orwell Rolls in his Grave explores what the media doesn't like to talk about -- itself.

Filmmaker Robert Kane Pappas has brought together an ex-"60-minutes" Producer, a United States Congressman, as well as some of the country's leading intellectual voices on the media to examine the mix of business, politics and ideology that is the modern mainstream media

More....

The politics of the day were driving me batty I had to run here and look for solace.
Thank you Sally

Speaking of the NICK BERG incidence .
Here's another story from lifes other side to add to the obfuscation .

WELL that video was troubling first of all in it's timely manner of appearing
which seemed just alittle too convenient for the white guys.

And second when I saw the WHITE WRISTS flash from the WELL FED,
PLUMP AND UNUSUALLY LARGE ( for Arabs) terrorists standing behind the victim
(already dead) in that typical MARINE stance.I didn't buy it at all, not for one second.

Even a stupid enemy has enough sense to stand back while their
opponent is being unmasked for what they truly are.

I started digging around and just 3 days ago I came across this article in
The Asia Times front page
.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FE22Ak03.html

BERG BEHEADING: NO WAY, SAY MEDICAL EXPERTS

Read it . It's quite revealaing and verrrry interesting.
The whole ordeal was fabricated to take the people's attention
off the Bush mobs dirty little secret.

Sort of the same way I suspect this terror alert minus the coded colors is meant to do.
They are desperate at this point and personally I'd prefer they take that duct tape
and stick it over their mouths an stop trying to scare the people into submission.

I had a hunch that there was torture going on simply because every time that wolfovitch
was confronted on any issue concerning the vast amounts of unaccounted for money
they were asking for , right on down to why war on Iraq he would begin this form of evading
the questions by giving a detailed and sickeningly explicit narrative on the various torture
methods that Saddam used on "his own people" and then ending with the now they are free from these horrors and blah blah blah.

He used this spiel on congress everytime he was before them and he
used it even at a commencemnt speech he gave when the students started booing him.
I told my husband something is really off with this man .
He seems to have a preoccupation with torture

Lately though, congress is not alowing him to go off
on this tangent when he is confronted. So he pouts instead.

lets see what else....
Were we aware that rush limbaugh is broadcast by bush on his new "radio free...." paid for by tax US tax dollars over there in the Mid East- our service persons being indoctrinated by LIMBAUGH!

On the lighter side

President Bush gets off the helicopter in front of the White House, carrying a baby pig under each arm.

The Marine guard snaps to attention, salutes, and says: "Nice pigs, sir."

The President replies: "These are not pigs, these are authentic Texan Razorback Hogs. I got one for Vice President Cheney, and I got one for Defense Secretary Rumsfeld."

The Marine again snaps to attention, salutes, and replies, "Nice trade, sir."

Morgana:

Happy Birthday, dear friend, and many happy
returns.

I'm sending you loving thoughts and healing
light.

Love, Joy and Peace

I'm not so sure that the whole conspiracy theory
about that poor Berg soul isn't over the moon.

For one thing, there are plenty of Arab and Iraqi
white wrists and arms. Some are even moderately
blond.

For another thing, the US Army has been
training thousands of Iraqis to be the new Iraqi army (many of whom turned around and used their rifles to shoot Marines) and therefore taught them
how to stand at army rest, and the former Chief of Police of NYC has been in Iraq training other Iraqis to be policemen, also teaching them to stand at rest (many of whom also used their training again US soldiers also).

And finally, if you all take a look at films of Saddamm's Special Fedayeen and Republican Guard, many of them were over 6 foot to 6'5".

We have a stereotype in mind that isn't necessarily true.

...light the candles...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/stevebell/0,7371,1225814,00.html

Jaycee:

YOU are the one with the "Beautiful Energy". It
will take me a few more lifetimes to get to where
you are....

I am just your run-of-the-mill "I'm going to get
my Country back" type. I owe it to my children, my
grandchild, my great-grandchildren, my loved ones,
my friends (present company included), my adopted
Country, my Country of birth and, frankly, to the
WORLD......"USA2004" is not what we have worked so
hard for, since WWII. With the anniversary of
D-Day approaching, I feel even more so than at any
other time. I don't want those heroic men to have
sacrificed their lives for what we have today, here and throughout the world. I will not bother
to draw a picture......

Because of years-long experience, when I send back
"bad" energy, my aim is TRUE. I retain NO residue
and it is NEVER left to float around for some poor soul to pick up. It ALWAYS goes back to
the SENDER(S). What I NEVER do is tell the Univer-
se what the results should be. That would be
"Black Magic", wouldn't it? I do not intend to
incur any more "bad Karma" than what my thought-
less acts may have caused for me, in the past and
in the rest of my days.

As for spreading the light etc., it has been said
by someone MUCH more SAGE than me, or anyone here that, to pray, one must got into "one's
closet"..... Therefore, I refuse to divulge
what MY ways are to do that.

Jaycee, the beauty of this Board is that, at least
99.99% of the time, we truly respect one another's
beliefs and convictions, while probably not necess
arily following the same Path. We truly try to:

"LOVE OUR NEIGHBOUR AS OURSELVES" and that inclu-
des being MILITANT......

Love, Joy and Peace

Did all see John Kerry in his latest policy speech?

He looks very sick, absolutely terrible. His eyes are sunken in.
________

And the cable news/entertainemtn shows all knocking Al Gore as howling like Howard Dean - but these are the same people who were cheerleaders for the war.

WV,

I LOVE Steve Bell! Thanks for the link. How's your garden? I'm looking forward to tomatoes in a few weeks...

For all, Gary Trudeau is running names of fallen troops in his strip this Memorial weekend...

someone posted this "shoot to kill" info up-post
it's definitely martial law without using the words - so that was what Asscroft was up to:

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2004/05/1694868.php

Kent State.

All they have to do is shoot one protester and it will be another Kent state - and the end of them.

Bhatki:

I aleady wear pink as much as I can, or something
pink for "CODE PINK". So, why not red on Fridays?

Good idea.

Love, Joy and Peace

I initially came onto this board tonight (then I
got side-tracked)to tell all of you that our very
own Isabelle Ghaneh has a delightful article in
this month's(July 04)issue of Dell's Horoscope
Magazine.

It's titled: "Fictional Characters Come to Life".

Wonderful, Isabel, I really enjoyed it!

Hi Corleonis,
I did not write in the red comment. But funny you say that to me. Just bought the most gorgeous pale pink silk Tibetan shawl for yoga and love draping myself in that color and fabric. Pink, red, orange, Bring it on, I love feel good colors (although usually in artist/NYC black when the time to create an 'outfit' alludes me with a hectic schedule).

http://tinyurl.com/2h8g8

CBS News - Threat huped?

bhakti: You must be feeling martian. Those shades are the colors of Mars. Go get 'em.

corleonis: you rock, right on.

I used to study magick/kaballah, and the queen's scale:

Sunday, here it comes, orange, gold
Moonday, silver, white, or Purple.
Tuesday, the ruby tuesday reds (that Mick Jagger)
Wednesday, Orange, yellow
Thursday, love is blue
Friday, green as copper and venus
Saturnday, baby's in black

It is just SO SCARY what is going on, but I believe it's going on long enough. With the good grace of God it'll be stopped in its tracks.

Yes Kerry looks sort of 'struggling' looking. It doesn't seem to be quite his 'looks' - superficially, but something else. Maybe we're all paranoid at this point but it looks like something weird may be going on. I know I shouldn't be lazy and just look up the planetary correlations laid out so beautifully here for every bloody time period! hah!

God only knows.

Did anyone hear/see Leno's joke last night? I don't know it exactly but it was something like -
Dems are renewing the call that a vote for Nader is a vote for George Bush. George Bush heard this and said, well I'm going to vote for Nader.
That's pretty prophetic methinks!

Anyone see the 'Wittle Bwaby Pwesident' comics? Oh God!

Here's Zecharia Sitchin's website:
http://www.sitchin.com/

buzzflash, democrats.com, even drudge are reporting some pretty amusing things right now. Specifically, the announcement about the new terror threats were thrown again, sort of spur-of-the-minute, Bush didn't let anybody in the Pentagon know he was going to state that Abu Ghraib should be demolished and so on. They must all be going through multiple diaper changes daily now--just waiting for the indictments to come (Plame, torture, Chalabi). Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch. Unfortunately, they've had 3-1/2 years to cause incredible damage that will take us at least a decade to repair.

Jeanie - Thank you so much for posting the info about the oneness prayer. And on Fridays I will certainly be wearing red in one form or another. Thanks all for all the wonderful articles and links today.

Corleonis,

Your words ring so true. We can respect each other's beliefs and share with one another. What a blessing it is to have a venue here through which to do so. And in a free country! Just to clarify so I didn't miscommunicate: My belief about light is that it is neutral and does not direct or intend any specif outcome. As they would say in the military: "That's above my pay grade."

On another subject,

EVERYONE:

YOU MAY WANT TO CHECK OUT THIS - INSIGHTS ON PLANETARY GOINGS ON FOR THE WEEK.

AQUARIUM AGE

"It's another funky week here on Earth as planetary tension and its release make it hard to concentrate on what needs to be done. Avoid letting the pressure to cope with what develops devolve into overwhelm. And don't try to match the planetary pulse—it's too erratic to follow, and trying will only stress your system.
The conjunction between Saturn and Mars started separating on Tuesday the 25th, and when difficult configurations pull apart, standard routines tend to come unglued.

More . . . .

http://stariq.com/AquariumAge.HTM

Morgana,

HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

Here is something for you.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/view.cfm?id=345012&p=300&l=ENG&s=f&cid=345012

Corleonis: Thank you so much for the kind words and I am so glad you enjoyed the article! You really made me feel so good!

Morgana: Peace and light to you on your birthday!

I once read a tibetan buddhist tell in a article in a new age magazine, i forget the name, that he had tried to say to himself "i wish you all blessings and peace" to people as he passed them in the street, etc. and it made him feel so good that he himself had a sense of well being all day long. i know how good i feel when someone is kind to me, and that effect lingers and i then am inclined to pass it on, i believe the more peace and love vibes we send out, and the more we know in our hearts change is coming, it may just turn the tide from the regime in office being able to control our hearts and minds.

thanks to sally, truly, for having such a great forum for good out in cyberspace, it really is a true light of goodness.

Welcome, dedacherry, I don't recall seeing your name before! Your post was very informative, in fact, my girlfriend wrote to our congressman for the first time as a result of reading it!

The UK is talking about the impending trials, Asia Times is reporting medical analysis on the beheading, Al-Jazeera is reporting on the inconsistencies we already know about the Berg video (how the inside looks exactly like Abu~Ghraib prison.)

Michael Moore is going to release Farenheit 9-11 on the net for free, http://www.denounce.com/archives/000055.html Mtv won't run ads criticizing McDonald's Corporation http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040526/tv_nm/leisure_supersizeme_dc Schools are destroying Anti-Bu$h poetry http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/Opinion/Editorials/03OpOPN62051504.htm

The World is Speaking.
Light a Candle.
Listen.
~D

I've got a new topic of conversation we can get some perspective on. What do our Astroworlders think of a Kerry/Clinton ticket, as in Hilary Clinton for Vice~President? Just what we need or too polarizing? Any thoughts?

My family pitched in to buy my mother an autographed copy of "Living History" for Christmas ~ I'd personally love the idea.

Anyone read Hilary Clinton's chart lately?
~D

Newsweek (catch the last paragraph)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3606155/site/newsweek/

....Indeed, so messy and expensive is Iraq—in both dollars and lives—that no one is seriously talking about pushing the core neocon agenda, regime change, any-where else. The hard-liners know that the strapped U.S. military, and powerful brass like CENTCOM commander Gen. John Abizaid, would rebel even more openly than they are now. So, gone is the tough talk toward Syria. On Iran, too, the administration has increasingly deferred to the United Nations and International Atomic Energy Agency. Even on North Korea, Bush has softened his adamant refusal to negotiate any kind of deal before Pyongyang gives up its nuclear program.

These retreats have undercut the credibility of the neocons and hegemonists, who for three years have gleefully run the levers of power in Washington. Now, sensing Bush’s weakness, once cowed Democrats like House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi are on the attack. And on the other side of the aisle the traditional Republican line, the old Jeffersonian fear of overextension, has reasserted itself. Bush is responding—somewhat. “There is a rounding off of the sharp corners,” says a former moderate Republican official from Bush I. “The language from the White House is less chip-on-your-shoulder than it has been.” It’s still unclear if the trend is permanent—Bush, even as he asked Rice to wrest control of Iraq, notably did not take Rumsfeld to the woodshed when the Defense chief erupted publicly against that policy.

And no senior official has yet lost his or her job (though some are thought to be dead men walking, like Pentagon No. 3 Douglas Feith, the neocon who bungled postwar planning and no longer attends Iraq reconstruction meetings).

Dommael,
There was an article in Dell Horoscope about most likely Pres. winners. It was based on USA Scorpio chart...but it did have Hillary's chart. She & Dean were the most likely winners based on that premise.
Unhappily I can't find the article! The only Dell I didn't scan, from May 2003 - present including Yearbook 2003 was the Yearbook for 2004, which isn't in the stack.
Sorry not to be more specific...but I have way too much on my schedule for this weekend!

T Saturn & Mars are 11 & 12o cancer; ( 2nd H cusp) my progressed sun is 14 cancer 2nd house! T neptune in 15o aqu is square my N sun 13 Taurus 12th house; N moon Scorpio 23o in the 6th house; to Progressed Mercury 11 Leo is applying to opposition to T pluto.
T pluto in 21o sag is opposite my Asc. 20 Gem.
I'm not depressed, but just lacking in energy, needing to kick myself to keep moving thru my tasks. The last time saturn crossed my ASC; 1973, I was separating from my husband, he moved to Miami, and the designers called me for mural work. I took over his role as mouthpiece sales/ as well as just painting, with very little effort! It kept going & growing through word of mouth, until Papa Bush's recession 1990!
Saturn over my MC, in 1996-97, that I had looked forward to & worked for turned out to be a nightmare!
I was a non traditional 57 yr. old art student, in Portland ME. majoring in Graphic Design. They didn't offer Illustration, which I wanted, I could have set up an independant study with a friend who had been Head of Illustration at Moore College of Art, but the Painting Teachers at Me. College of Art were very elitist, & snobbish,about dealing with Illustration, & they required another $14,000. year to do it! SO much for Saturn over the MC!!!
I encountered a fellow student this weekend at the Me. Dem Convention. She was young with a nose ring, hot pink/orange hair dressed in retro 60's resale clothes, ( like most of the students there) and was on the Dean's list.
She confessed to me that she also felt disinfranchised & dissed during her school experience! That was enlightening... it was the wrong place at the wrong time for all of us!!!!!
Jaycee......
while I am so busy, I don't always get to meditate at a given time daily, I seem to be carrying around with me a serene meditative state. It ( and the strngth I draw from all of you at this site) is enabling me to be an impassioned, influential, confident, extemporanous ( sp?) speaker to large groups, & reassuring them! Others are perceiving me as such and asking me to speak!
As our 2nd district in Northern Maine, can snag 1 electoral vote if we can keep our
2% margin over the Repugs, up here, I guess I will be doing more political activism, than Illustration through Nov.!
As easy as it is to get up & speak; it is that difficult to organize my thoughts writing!
Bachti......
what is your name on the children's books you Illustrate? Would I recognize it?
We voted in Ann Sibley O'Brien's ( Talking Walls) husband as one of our Dean delegates to Boston!
I'm wearing red today & every Fri. and will meditatie on June 9th.
Happy belated Bitrthday Morgana.. still sending love peace and healing to you.
Peace
Pat QOP

Isabelle:

My birthday is July 30, the day before Harry
Potter. Needless to say, I enjoyed that part of
the article the most....I am a BIG "Harry Potter"
fan - gobbled up the last book in one day......
J.K. Rowling is one of the very FEW people who
can make me see 'green' with envy, her imagination
is so AWESOME....I'm anxiously waiting for the
next book.

That's one of the nicest parts about being a Leo:
we can be so CHILDLIKE (as opposed to CHILDISH),
that we can delight in books like the Harry Potter
series way into our "Golden Years" (I'm 66).

Another reason I liked your article is that I have
played that "what's his/her sign" game with myself
as to fictional characters. You and I agree al-
most 100%. By the way, what do you think Scarlet
O'Hara is?

To any of you who read Dell Horoscope regularly:

What do you think of that Fundie Repug who has
been attacking Mary Jarvis in "Letters to the
Editor" for at least the last six months?

Pat:

I apologize for attributing your post to Bhatki.

Great suggestion but, on second thought, it would
be more appropriate to wear red on Tuesday, the
day of Mars. But Friday will do, after all Venus
DID like Mars a lot, didn't she?

Jo:

How right we were in our assessment of the DANGER
ALERT yesterday ! ! !

Check out this mornings YAHOO headline:

WHITE HOUSE DIVIDED OVER TERROR ALERT

Jo, Did you see my post on the water issue in Israel? It's way up there somewhere.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=570&u=/nm/20040527/sc_nm/space_planet_dc_1&printer=1

Youngest Planet Ever Detected Discovered
(Venus Occultation?)

"The object is only a million years old," Watson said. "That probably makes it the youngest planet that we've ever seen, and young enough that it really causes problems for the major theories of planetary formation."

One theory of planetary formation holds that planets form when small objects called planetessimals slam together and stick, gradually building up a planetary mass. A planet made by quickly collecting itself from the planetary dust around a star is a different way of looking at the problem, and would allow for planets to form much earlier in the process.

The discovery of the possible infant planet was one of three findings by the Spitzer spacecraft, which looks at the universe through infrared light as it trails Earth in its journey around the Sun.

Spitzer also found significant amounts of icy organic material in the dusty disks surrounding other infant stars, which could give a clue to the origins of icy bodies like comets, often described as dusty snowballs in space.

This finding is significant because some astronomers believe comets may have brought water to Earth, along with life-enabling materials. These kinds of materials have been detected in space but this is the first time they have been clearly detected in the dust of planet-forming disks.

Spitzer also uncovered more than 300 newborn stars in a stellar nursery called RCW 49, about 13,700 light-years from Earth in the constellation Centaurus.

More information and images are available online at http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu and http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov.

BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU:

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040528-122605-9267r.htm

U.S. agencies collect, examine personal data on Americans

By Audrey Hudson
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Numerous federal government agencies are collecting and sifting through massive amounts of personal information, including credit reports, credit-card purchases and other financial data, posing new privacy concerns, according to the General Accounting Office (GAO).
The GAO surveyed 128 federal departments and agencies and found that 52 are using, or planning to implement, 199 data-mining programs, with 131 already operational.

The Education, Defense, Homeland Security, Veterans Affairs, Health and Human Services, Interior, Labor, Justice, and Treasury departments are among those that use the contentious new technology to detect criminal or terrorist activity; manage human resources; gauge scientific research; detect fraud, waste and abuse; and monitor tax compliance.
The audit released yesterday shows 36 data-mining programs collect and analyze personal information that is purchased from the private sector, including credit reports and credit-card transactions. Additionally, 46 federal agencies share personal information that includes student-loan application data, bank-account numbers, credit-card information and taxpayer-identification numbers.

more-

http://washingtonian.com/inwashington/buzz/052104.html

Did the Washington Post Create Ahmed Chalabi?

When Iraqi and US agents sift through documents and computer files from Thursday’s raid of Ahmed Chalabi’s home and Iraqi National Congress office in Baghdad, it’s likely that they will find plenty of communications with the Washington Post and New York Times.

Chalabi has been a political activist in exile for most of his 59 years, and for many of those years the Post has trumpeted and championed his causes. In some ways, Chalabi is a creation of the Post and to a lesser extent the Times, where Judith Miller relied on him as a source in reporting on weapons of mass destruction.

The Post published a generally positive 5,938-word profile of “the passionate and relentless” Chalabi by Sally Quinn in November 2003. The Style-section feature, by the wife of former executive editor Ben Bradlee, chronicled Chalabi’s meeting with 50 Senate Republicans, among others he lobbied during a day in DC. It detailed his close ties with Paul Wolfowitz and other neoconservatives.

“Contradictory views follow Chalabi into every area of his life,” Quinn wrote. “For every detractor, there’s a supporter, and often they’re working from the same set of facts.”

More...

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0421/indiana.php

Paranoid Nation

No Such Thing as Paranoia
On the culture of conspiracism

Sally, powerful earthquake outside Tehran. (Sun square Uranus, and you & I felt it coming.)

Baltimore beheadings:

so much for releasing the
tapes of the beheading of Berg. The copycats abound and the world will now see children cutting off heads of other children.

Moral compass???

sorely missing from the Congress of the United States and the media and the administration

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/columnists/jim_defede/8769635.htm?

"Every vote should count.'' -- Jeb Bush, upon signing into law a measure doing away with witness signatures for absentee ballots

Our governor -- what a kidder!

If we counted every vote in Florida, Jeb's brother would be spending all of his time -- and not just some of his time -- falling off his bicycle on his Texas ranch.

The only thing the bill Jeb signed Tuesday guarantees, is that Florida's elections will continue to be a joke. By taking away the witness requirement, the governor and the Legislature not only made it easier for corruption to take place -- which in itself is a fairly amazing feat -- but they have also made it more difficult to catch.

-more-

Pallas18, do you have a link for the Baltimore beheadings?

I'm with Shylurker, I'd love to hear perspective on the Israel water issue. Here's the link again:

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99995037

~D

Corleonis, Linda Goodman ("Sun Signs") had Scarlett pegged to be an Aries (what else?) Scorpio sounds possible, too.

Skylurker et al., NYT had good editorial today - "One State or Two - Israelis & Palestinians Share the Same Economy" - an interesting piece on the realities of the economic situation which addresses responsibility & inequities (including water rights) on both sides.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/28/opinion/28FRI4.html?ex=1086762702&ei=1&en=39fa8b3e9bff1c5f

Morgana, Happy belated BD & many more. Hope you're doing well :-)

Hope you're all doing well today (in spite of, or because of any trying aspects).

Peace & Love,
Sharon

http://tinyurl.com/3en56

A Speech That's No Joke

t has always been easy to make fun of Al Gore. But if there's any truth to the thunderous criticism he's turned loose on the Bush administration this week, it's time to dispense with the jokes and listen seriously to what the man is saying.

If Mr. Gore is right, the nation is faced with a crisis of leadership that is perilously close to an emergency.

If he's wrong, then all the folks who have made the easy jokes at his expense can consider themselves vindicated.

The war in Iraq, said Mr. Gore, in an interview on Wednesday, "is the worst strategic fiasco in the history of the United States. It is an unfolding catastrophe without any comparison."

In an echo of the growing chorus of criticism here and around the world, he said the war has not only damaged "our strategic interests" and isolated the U.S. from its allies, it has also made the country more — not less — vulnerable to terror.

In a widely covered speech earlier in the day, Mr. Gore said that Iraq had not become, as President Bush has asserted, " `the central front in the war on terror.' " But he said it has become, unfortunately, "the central recruiting office for terrorists."

The speech was extraordinary — blunt, colorful and delivered with the kind of passion you seldom see in politics anymore. The former vice president described Mr. Bush as incompetent and untrustworthy, and said his policies had endangered the nation.

The president, said Mr. Gore, had "planted the seeds of war, and harvested a whirlwind."

In the view of Mr. Gore (and many others), the essential problem has been the triumph in the Bush crowd of ideology over reality. The true believers knew everything better than everybody else, and the arrogance born of that certainty led, step by tragic step, to the war with no exit doors that we are locked in today.

That arrogance gave rise to the Bush doctrine of pre-emptive war, the contempt for international agreements like the Geneva Conventions, the dismissal of concerns by some of the highest-ranking military professionals about the way a war in Iraq should be fought and the willingness of top administration figures to blow smoke in the eyes of ordinary Americans who were traumatized by Sept. 11 and worried about the possibility of further terrorist attacks.

"The same preference for ideology over reality has turned trillion-dollar surpluses into multitrillion-dollar deficits," said Mr. Gore. "And that same approach has led to the locking up of American citizens without recourse to lawyers or access to courts or even a right of their families to know they're being held in secret."

These and other matters are transforming the United States into a country that is more warlike, more brutal, less free, less just, less admirable and much less appealing than the nation that existed when Mr. Bush stepped into the presidency in January 2001.

Those who disagree with Mr. Gore should challenge him on his facts. Those who agree must look for ways to defend the honor and perhaps the very identity of the United States as we've known it.

The least serious part of Mr. Gore's speech was the part that got the most attention, his call for top officials of the Bush administration to resign. As an attention-getter, it worked.

But this was a speech in which the former vice president said: "What makes the United States special in the history of nations is our commitment to the rule of law and our carefully constructed system of checks and balances. Our natural distrust of concentrated power and our devotion to openness and democracy are what have led us as a people to consistently choose good over evil in our collective aspirations, more than the people of any other nation."

More...

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2004_0527.html

Remarks of Senator John Kerry on Security and Strength for a New World
As Prepared for Delivery
May 27, 2004, Seattle, WA

I am not sure if I am being edited or
not, but I posted on here a little while
ago. If this is not an appropriate post,
please tell me and I won't do it again.
There is a petition out right now
to Remove Rush Limbaugh from American Forces Radio

http://www.petitiononline.com/mmfa2/petition.html
since the taxpayers (US) are paying for
this, we also should have a say in whether or not it happens.
thanks
Mimi

Clinton supports Kerry strategy

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5078608 /

Former President Clinton said Thursday that Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry is smart not to comment daily on every development in Iraq because “he recognizes that he’s not the president.”

Speaking at his office in Harlem, Clinton said he didn’t think the Massachusetts senator was running “too safe a campaign” as some political strategists have suggested. Among the criticism is that Kerry is failing to exploit increasing skepticism about President Bush’s handling of the war.

“He recognizes that he’s not the president, and he’s not, he’s the candidate for president, he’s not somebody that’s supposed to give day-by-day commentary on events,” Clinton said. “He’s made quite clear what he believes about the major issues in the news today, and I think he’s shown a certain reticence.”

'Quite appropriate'
The former president said that “given the seriousness of the problems we face in the world today, I think it’s been quite appropriate.”

repugs and shrub are bleeding heavily towards their demise; Kerry is going to ROUT these lunies
Even stealing the election won't help these crooks in Nov.2004. Even senate and congress won't
be repugs control as the bleeding continues!

Shylurker,
Sorry, I have been out of pocket all day, at the zoo with the grands... I saw your link on water for Israel... several threads back I commented that Israel needs water and oil... I have to check my notes to get the correct pipeline, but it's one that some claim has been 'abandoned' but this administration has been repairing and will probably start supplying Israel out of Iraq... the West Bank provides fertile farm land and water.

Power is an objective of the Neocons and obtaining someone else's power requires aggression which we sometimes call 'war' and war requires tanks and planes and of course OIL...

Namaste

I want you all to know that here in Denver we are on top of things. One of our loyal readers, who is a fountain of knowledge and information and tries his best to keep me informed sent me the following post. I would also like to say that I am rocking along on the mile-high level trying to tie up all the loose ends to the next major event (my pay the bills work) for which I am responsible for next week. Never knew that I could be in danger and should have been steeped in fear instead of work. I am going to complain to my boss. Course, I am not alone, looks like the FBI isn't too concerned either hmmmmm. Here's the article:

The Denver Post

2 suspected al-Qaeda agents dropped in for meal, says Denny's manager in Avon
By Jim Kirksey
Denver Post Staff Writer

Friday, May 28, 2004 -

The FBI office in Denver has received "numerous" calls about the seven people believed to be associated with al-Qaeda pictured Wednesday in newspapers.

Monique Kelso, spokeswoman for the Denver office, wouldn't characterize the calls as "sightings," but at least one was reported as such.

Samuel Mac, manager of the Denny's in Avon, isn't happy with the response he got from the FBI when he reported that two of them ate at his restaurant Wednesday.

When he called the FBI in Washington, D.C., Mac said the man who answered the telephone said he had to call the Denver office and declined to take down any of the information.

When he called the Denver office, he was shuttled to voice mail because the agents were busy, Mac said. It was five hours before a seemingly uninterested agent called back.

Mac said two men - he subsequently identified them from their photographs as Adnan G. El Shukrijumah and Abderraouf Jdey - came into Denny's, which is just off Interstate 70, about 8 p.m.

One ordered a chicken sandwich and a salad, the other just a salad, Mac said. They were demanding, rude and obnoxious, he said.

They said they were from Iran and were driving from New York to the West Coast.

When the FBI agent called him back, she took a few notes and said she would pass the information along to the field agents, according to Mac.

Kelso said the Denver FBI office has received at least a dozen calls about the pictures. The calls are all taken seriously and "we follow up on every lead," she said.

But she said the FBI has no reason to believe any of the seven are in Colorado or traveling through.

Staff writer Jim Kirksey

CNN is all over the blogs and calls are going out for folks to email them.

Here is what 'Newsanchor' Kelli Arena said this morning:

"Neither John Kerry nor the president has said troops pulled out of Iraq any time soon. But there is some speculation that al Qaeda believes it has a better chance of winning in Iraq if John Kerry is in the White House."

This is your media. Your media has already decided that a vote for Kerry is a vote for al Qaeda and we haven't even had a debate yet. Are you going to let this happen?

Call CNN: Atlanta 404-827-1500 or NY 202-898-7900 or email Ms. Arena at kelli.arena@turner.com .

Folks if you don't make the calls or send the emails your media will continue to abase itself.

Do something. Be polite if you call them but be firm. These kinds of comments are simply unacceptable from an 'impartial' media.

Corleonis,
Scarlet is an Aries with Scorpio moon! Of course Rett is Scorpio....and poor Ashley a Virgo with Pices Moon......( exact opposition)
Yeh we used to play that game too in Phila.!
Tinker Bell has to be a Leo......and you might think Wendy would be a Cancer, but given the rivary between them, she has to be a Taurus with perhaps a Cancer Moon.....
Pat QOP

Jo, I called both numbers and wrote, I hope many others did the same

mimi, I signed the Rush petition yesterday :) Sally, take care of Denver please, my babies are out there this weekend w/ their dad.

Jo,
Thanks I emailed them with my thoughts on the matter... ;)

Peg, I wouldn't worry, the article clearly shows that the Denver FBI office wasn't too concerned, they didn't even call to take a message for 5 hours after they were contacted. The entire front range could have been gone by then. The FBI knows there isn't a serious threat, unless they are the threat. They didn't feel it serious enough to do anything and their final comment was "they didn't have a reason to believe they were in Colorado or even traveling through." If they know where everyone might be traveling then why aren't they following. We are being had folks, duped, conned, so Baby Bush won't be afraid that the big bad Democrats are taking votes away from him because he is incompetent

Contacting CNN is right on. They've already been exposed before as a White House puppet by David Letterman. They just need some pressure to be thoroughly discredited. Sorry to sound so militant, but it has to be done.

We're making the Neocons run through their bag of tricks alarmingly fast - first the fake Yellow Alert, which tanked, and now "speculation" that Al-Qaeda wants you to vote for John Kerry. They are desperately recycling all of the old favorites. Well, "Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice shame on you."

Swift action works well ~ they are stumbling and one hand has no idea what the other hand is doing. Increase the pressure. Make your voices heard. Send the fear back to them.

And what the heck is Rush Limbaugh doing on American Forces Radio?!? There's a JAIL CELL with his name on it, he's the LAST thing our soldiers need to be listening to over there.

Sally, we know what Al~Qaeda orders at Denny's, but not where they are or what they are doing? That doesn't sound right! Can we make the Manager of Denny's in charge of Homeland Security! Sheesh!

Raj, I just loooooove it when you post. Such fire!

Namaste,
~D

Oh good Dommael, you found it as funny as I did. Iffffff, they know they are not traveling through Colo. then they must know where they are traveling, ifffff they are traveling at all. I understand a few of those pictured have already been identified as being in jail. It's has always been a strange fact to me that we don't fear auto or plane accidents on a daily basis even though those kill more people than terrorists, yet we fear that, oh I don't even know how to describe Ashcroft, idiot standing in front of a blue cloth.
Too frustrating.

Came across this article about July 10th. I don't have a clue how valid it is, since she uses profections? Astrology way beyond me, however the last couple of paragraphs on GWB's mercury/pluto conjuntion were/are very right on. Now, if she'd just do something similiar with 'Reich' Limbaugh's chart, eh?????? Bad me, just kidding universe...........

http://www.cyclelogical.org/Articles/Bush_Peril.htm

Right on the money, Sally. Here's another thing that I find disquieting. You put seven Arabic guys on the front of USA Today (two of which are IN JAIL) and the citizens start seeing suspicious Arabs EVERYWHERE. This increasing fear and suspicion of fellow citizens is the TIPS program in action, this is Un-American, and this sort of irresponsibility is increasing hate crimes against Arabs all across the country.

Not in my home. Not in my name. No way.
~D

All this fear hype - contrasting a routine announcement that, based on past memorial weekends, they expect around 500 will be killed in auto accidents nationwide. Sort of puts things into another perspective doesn't it.

Jeez, two guys walk into a Denny's and order a Chicken burger and two salads and they get the FBI called on them. Is this *really* the best we can do?!? Is there NO ONE more competent to run our government than this?!?
~D

Corleonis: I have to say I always saw Scarlett(red red red) as an Aries, but I was about 13 when i first read the then 'new' Linda Goodmans book Sun Signs, and she typified Scarlett as an Aries, and thats who she is, to me. When we first decide on someone's astro traits in our formative years, its hard to let go!

Mimi, We are guests of a most magnanimous hostess and we post many things. I suspect you just didn't hit the "Post" button strongly enough. I, on the other hand, manage to double post frequently. Very embarrassing, but I can always blame 1) Smirky & Co, 2) Smirky & Co and 3) Smirky & Co. They make my blood pressure rise and make me very heavy-handed with emotion. Then Dommael adminishes me to go to my "Happy Place" and I do. To the fridge which, on occasion, actually produces a beer. Fancy that!

We haven't heard much about Dick Cheney of late. He keeps popping into my mind with all this talk of neither bush nor kerry at election time. I notice his mars is an almost exact opposition to the upcoming venus transit. I know people have said he's on his way out but he seems like the proverbial cat with 9 lives. Further thoughts anyone?

here is the link to michael moores site, he doesnt say he is releasing the movie on the internet, but he does have a place to click to see some scenes from it, on the left hand side of the site.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/

Come to think of it, condi's been laying low lately too. What do you make of that?

http://tinyurl.com/2889o

Michael Moore Film Nears Release as Disney Sells

Michael Moore (news)'s controversial documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11" moved a step closer to U.S. theaters on Friday as Miramax film studio founders Harvey and Bob Weinstein personally bought rights to the picture from Walt Disney Co. .

Miramax had funded the film but Disney, which owns the art-house studio, had declined to distribute the movie, saying the documentary and its criticism of President Bush (news - web sites)'s war on Iraq (news - web sites) were too politically charged.

After more than three weeks of talks, the Weinsteins bought rights to the film for costs to date, estimated at about $6 million, and will arrange for theatrical and home video distribution, both sides said in a statement issued on Friday.

By clinching a deal now, the movie could still be on track to get into theaters by the middle of this summer, despite a crowded field of U.S. releases, distributors have said.

That fast-track release would capitalize on the recent surge of interest in the film and give Moore a chance to influence the November presidential election with his unflattering portrait of Bush.

The Weinsteins would probably turn to a third-party distributor to handle the film, and talks with such companies already were under way while the brothers negotiated with Disney, one distributor said.

Moore sparked interest in the film in early May by saying Disney had backed down from distributing the documentary out of fear of political repercussions.

Disney hotly denied that charge and in turn accused the director of the anti-gun documentary "Bowling for Columbine" of staging a publicity stunt to promote his film.

More....

Condi's "husband" probably told her to be really really really quiet.

I know Astrologers Jeanie, including myself, who are trying to figure out how he has escaped the truly difficult aspects he's had since taking office. Of course he has had health problems but seems to have come out of them. Very discouraging. I would have thought he would have gone the way of Sprio Agnew by now.

Shade, I use Profections and I've stopped for a time because come July GWB goes into a really good period of time in his profections.

Does anyone have any follow-up on this story. It is very frightening:
http://www.counterpunch.org/jacobs05222004.html

Is that for real?

It's all converging. There are basically three threads that are weaving together right now ~ the right wingers, the progressives, and the conspiracy theorists.

Well, Skull and Bones just denounced George as an idiot, so factor that in:

http://nydailynews.com/front/story/196998p-170123c.html

Yale bud: Bush bad to the Bones

Maybe the Yale secret society Skull & Bones isn't as warm and cozy as previously believed.

A new book, "Ambushed," reveals that Bonesman David Richards, now a Manhattan real estate lawyer, was the member who tapped Yale junior George W. Bush in 1967.

But Richards - who didn't respond to Lowdown's detailed messages yesterday - tells "Ambushed" author Toby Rogers that the worst thing in the world would be for Bush to be re-elected President.

"I think it's pretty grim, I think he has trashed the economy, and I think he has conducted foreign policy badly, and I think he is a bad President," Richards says. "I don't know what he has done well."

shylurker, if true, we are really witnessing a twilight zone reality! Certainly bears following up on to ascertain his wherabouts and validity of article.

HEY JO<

I wasn't too shocked to see how CNN is spinning the Kerry position.

There's nothing we can do about it really. It's ALL IN THE STARS. And that's good news, because it means Bush will lose the election. And after a peak at the headlines, it looks like my predictions about Ralph are already starting to happen. It's all in his stars and the Venus occultation hitting his 1st house north node, and trining his 9th house jupiter of the media...happening in tight degrees at the Venus Occulation, retrograding towards HIS 1st house Venus, then going forward for the grand trine. For me this is great news, but for the fearful and for Dems, it's just the same as they've been through for four years. Like Republicans their time is over. The Golden Age is upon us. Have faith, it's going to be great. Let go. Kerry may very well lose, so you have to vote for the one with the luck this year.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/space/20040528/sc_space/missingblackholesfound

Missing Black Holes Found

Fri May 28,10:56 AM ET

By Robert Roy Britt
Senior Science Writer, SPACE.com

European researchers have found 30 previously hidden supermassive black holes anchoring faraway galaxies, which suggests there at least twice as many of the colossal gravity wells as thought.

Supermassive black holes hold as much matter as millions or billions of suns. The newfound black holes were long sought but went unnoticed because they lurk behind veils of dust and are so faraway that even the galaxies they anchor are difficult to examine in any detail.

"This discovery means that surveys of powerful supermassive black holes have so far underestimated their numbers by at least a factor of two, and possibly by up to a factor of five," said study leader Paolo Padovani from Space Telescope-European Coordinating Facility and the European Southern Observatory in Munich, Germany.

Shylurker,
The story in Counterpunch is satire, in that Dan Senor never 'the truth' --- that is the facts are that this was a wedding party, and women and children and young men were killed... Juan Cole has a piece on it... but, neocon Dan Senor would never admit to it... disclaimer is at end of Counterpunch article "this is satire..."

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Kelli at CNN is the same one who said on air a while back that Kerry didn't deserve his medals and Aaron Brown just sat there nodding his head. To this day Barbara Walters has not made an editorial comment about anyone or anything... it was unheard of until recently, when as Bob Edwards formerly of NPR, says, the news is more for entertainment. But, fact is these people are telling lies. We need to start contacting their sponsors and tell them we are going to boycott their products if this doesn't stop. In fact, we should start taking to the street with some of these... we could picket CNN hdqtrs. and fox news channels... they get away with lies because we allow it...

Jo, everything happening these days is karmic and cosmic. Karmically, only the grace of God can save America, surely not Americans at this stage of the 'game' or polls, and that includes you. Cosmically, things happen and how one handles them (Kerry: "What were you THINKING" -- to Howard Dean when Howard said we were not safer having caught Sadam. THAT'S REALLY THE GUY YOU WANT?) Then that handling is what reaps the karma. George Bush has done horrific things, and he's getting what's coming to him, believe it. And unfortunately so has Kerry, by voting for this war, and waffling on how he feels about it. He's lost his footing, and there's no indication, astrologically, that he will get it back, for that will have to be some kind of revelation that shakes him back to the early 1970s.

You people cannot WILL Kerry to be cool and anti-war when he is not. If he voted for the war under pressure then he still isn't fit to be a leader. You have to wake up first before you start thinking about protecting people who do not have YOUR best interests in mind. But if it's all a game and if Gore wasn't swindled and he'd decided to attack Iraq for no logical reason would you be ok with that? That's what you have to ask yourself, and then you can say what you really mean, and mean what you say.

Oh, and in case anyone's missed that Yahoo headline, it was that Nader qualifies for matching funds.

Jo

My garden is great...still a few hills of squash
and zuchinni to plant then all is done. Has to
stop raining first. We've had rain for three days
and the river is up. Just praying the deer and
rabbits stay in the wooods, as I don't have the
barriers up yet. Methinks it's going to be a
good year....in many ways. As you know, being an
old sage has a great many advantages. It is sort
of fun to sit back a watch, and know that those
who don't remember History are doomed to repeat it. On top of that I want to witness as much
boomerang karma as I can before I cross over.
As the Dalai Lama says "You can only feel compassion for these people when you realize the
karma they are building up". They are not worth
hating...I forward stories but little comment...
and I amazed at how well the cartoonists seem to be tuned in. Luckovich at the Altanta Journal is
excellent...Meyers at the SF Chronicle and of
course Steve Bell at the Guardian who always
portrays Blair and Bush as simian characters. As
they are!

You know, there are times, when I am on this board

that I think I am either hallucinating or I must

be living in some Communist Country:

I KEEP HEARING, OVER AND OVER AGAIN, HOW TO USE

MY VOTE AND FOR WHOM TO VOTE

Corleonis, do not listen to or even read anyone who tries to tell you who to vote for in Nov. I've had a ton of requests for information as to who has good aspects on Nov. 2. When Howard Dean seemed to be the candidate people kept saying how good his aspects were on election day and they are great, however I kept saying he has to get from where he was to election day. The Venus Transit crosses exact on Kerry's Moon oppose his Sun and sextile his Jupiter, but it's still not election day. George Bush has great aspects on Election Day as does Dean, Hillary,(she has the absolutely best aspects) Kuchinich star is going to be on the rise this fall, Carole Mosley Braun has great aspects, heck Corleonis I have great aspects on election day. I will say again, a person has to get from here to Nov. 2 and who makes it through the fray hasn't been decided at all, no matter what it looks like at this point.

I am amused and saddened when people take astrology or any tool and try to bend the facts and aspects so a preconceived notion will fit. Just don't read it, don't acknowledge it, just keep going on in your delightful and informative manner.

http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/NaderRalph.htm#BirthData

Ralph Nader has a massive and tight by degree T Square from Jupiter, natural ruler of foreigners and foreign affairs, opposition Uranus in Aries, both squaring Pluto.

This chart indicates to me that in matters of foreign affairs he would cause massive and shocking upsets.

The Jupiter which is in Libra is unable to find a balance because of its opposition to very unstable and extremely impulsive Uranus in Aries.

Additionally because Pluto is involved and in a square, which is an irritant one is unable or barely able to control and which pushes one into action,an action which involving Uranus may not be prudent, one might conclude he compulsively causes these upsets. Uranus in Aries can be an adrelanin junkie, an aspect of excitement to the extreme.

This particular aspect of the T square jumps out at one when looking at the chart. It is an aspect of extremism.

Additionally with the natal Moon conjunct the South Node, one could say he causes the public losses or turn it around and also say the public causes him losses. The aspect indicates he is unacceptable to the public because the Moon is ruler of Cancer where his Pluto extremism resides.

This chart indicates this is a man who could and would never be elected by public vote, nor to the knowledge of this astrologer has he ever been elected to any public office.

Scuse me, all.

I was concentrated on reading the chart, I forgot to sign.

That was me above delineating Nader's T square.

Pope Worries About 'Soulless' U.S. Life
Fri May 28, 9:52 AM ET

VATICAN CITY - Pope John Paul II warned several U.S. bishops Friday that American society is in danger of turning against spirituality in favor of materialistic desires, giving way to a "soulless vision of life."
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what he should have said was "American Society is in danger of turning against spirituality because of the damage done by his clerics, who instead of
punishing, he rewarded!"

Cardinal Law now has a choice plum position at
the Vatican. When in fact he obstructed American justice!

This Pope was quite wonderful early on, but has changed radically in the last 5 years or so. Perhaps he's not really making these announcements and appointments. I prefer to think he's not responsible for them, for if he was, it would be a travesty!

Iraq will be a sovereign state as of June 30 (is that the 52nd state of the US?)

From Reuters:
http://www.reuters.com/printerFriendlyPopup.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5290246

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"Allawi is related to Ahmad Chalabi, the former Pentagon favorite now out of favor who was once seen as Washington's first choice to lead Iraq. The two are not regarded as close. Allawi's cousin Ali Allawi is the present defense minister.

Allawi, born in 1945, is also a wealthy businessman. Having spent many years abroad he turned against Saddam. In 1990 he formed the Iraqi National Accord, a party backed by the CIA and British intelligence and including many disillusioned former Baathists.
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Pallas you are quite correct regarding Nadar, the American public would never elect him to office with all that cardinal energy squaring the US Cancer. But that has all been addressed in other earlier columns by myself and Nancy. For those who are obsessed with Nadar it just falls on deaf ears.

I just read of the Pope's concern about "souless America" on Buzzflash. I wonder if he has placed as much concern toward the seeming "souless" pedophiles who continue to lurk within the Church's confines.

I have noticed the dramatic changes in him over the last several years and wonder if it doesn't have to do with his ill health and the medicines he takes. It's hard to believe that with the scandals continuing to surround them they would take such an extremely hard line at this time. They are in danger of creating a real break in the church, at least in America.

Sally,

" ...hard to believe that with the scandals continuing to surround them they would take such an extremely hard line. They are in danger of creating a real break in the church, at least in America."

That's why I don;t think he's running the church anymore - whether he is too weak from the illness and the medicines - he had more grip and sense than to do the things that are being done now.

Pluto in Sagittarius -change in religion, change in law, never to be the same. (IMHO)

The destruction (Pluto)of the church here through discovery (Pluto)of the pedophilia which
the church, like dimson in his own errors, refuses to accept responsibility for, has already taken place. The snowball just continues rolling.
Naming Cardinal Law to the plum position is another slap in the face to the American Catholics - and maybe the last nail.

65 churches in Massachussetts have closed because the Catholics have stopped contributing to the Catholic church. When the rest of the country realizes what they have done with Cardinal Law there will probably be many othe church closings for lack of support by the formerly faithful.

And I certainly can't blame them. It will be interesting to see who is "elected" the next pope.
I would bet he's going to be a real hard line ultra conservative and undo all the good this Pope
had done.

And that is supposed to be (prophesied at Yugoslavia, right?) the last pope.

Well - maybe there will be an end to the fighting over religion then. (Sounds like timing for the new age of Aquarius coming in and the old
Piscean going out, doesn't it?)

Sally, do you know of any prophesy that Falwell will be picked up and taken away by the UFO's??? That also would go a long way toward fixing things. :)

"Falwell picked up by UFO's" Oh you are a dreamer. I was truly disturbed when the UFO's the Mexican Army photographed, left. That isn't a good sign.

In 1999 I gave a lecture on what was to come in the 21st Century and Pluto in Sagittarius, all 9th house stuff. A loss of prestige in foreign countries, a crisis in religion, crisis in our government, crisis with the airlines and overseas travel, and a crisis in the law. Pluto has shown us the politics on that most august of bodies the Supreme Court, but he hasn't brought them down as yet. I expect scandals to explode there before 2004/2005 is out. Pluto always destroys and then rebuilds. We are still in the destruction phase.

Say, do you think the UFO's could also take Ashcroft with them? Goodnight Pallas, we always seem to be the last to go.

Pallas, 11 years ago I worked for the Vatican and raised 300 million for World Youth Day when it was in Denver. I got a private audiance with the Pope because of my work (I also had lunch with President Clinton and he didn't hit on me, disappointing and embarrassing, but one of his secret service men did) anyway, the Pope was here for 3 days and he was very confused. He did not know where he was and people had to keep reminding him where he was. I had a real high security clearance so I saw him several times in his private quarters and he was never alone and hardly ever acknowledged anyone in the room. All of us that were in close proximity to him felt there were some real problems with his cognitive abilities then. He would be given a speech and delivered it, then go back into some kind of fog.

Sally,

Somewhere here I looked at Edwards' chart and noted that he had good aspects on election day and after but seemed to be in a legal fight (9th house, not 7th) which made me think he would be fighting with the Supreme Court - and their interference once again.

Yup - we are the night owls.

Good Night Sally. Tomorrow is another exciting day in the soap opera that America has become.

there was a moon phase article by morgana some time back that indicated 'the people' would begin to take charge and drive events. this, of course, is a novel idea for everyone in power including the media. gore's speech this week was outstanding, yet CNN and others mocked it as 'his best howard dean imitation.' the morons at CNN also hinted that the Bin Ladin wants Kerry to be elected since he'll leave iraq earlier than bush (duh, no kidding). there has been a torrent of activism across the internet just this week holding CNN (the 'best of the worst' cable networks) accountable. they're getting deluged with calls and emails as is the once venerable New York Times. the Times tepid sort-of apology for their lousy iraq coverage has no more credibility than a police investigation of police brutality. people are criticizing the Times in ardent terms and, more importantly, naming names by calling for resignations of Judith Miller and other reporters who consistently get it wrong.

the people have decided to take charge and it can't be stopped. the most logical expression of this is a clean sweep for the democrats driven by the people via the internet (thank you Howard Dean and DARPA). there has never been a mass organizing tool like this in history. the treatment of the people and the democrats has been so bad, look for an explosion of activism that benefits most people. successful american leaders follow the crowd. when the crowd is ready and positive as it was during the New Deal, a Roosevelt emerges to crystallize the best aspects of popular opinion. remember, Roosevelt campaigned on fiscal restraint and limited involvement overseas. he ended up turning america into a social democracy overnight and helping the english and russians (who lost 12 million, yes million soldiers in WWII) defeat the purest expression of evil we will ever see. the key point is, WE DO NOT NEED TO BE LED (by a pure knight like Ralph), WE NEED A LEADER THAT WILL FOLLOW AND EXPRESS OUR FINEST IDEALS AND INSTINCTS.

we've looked at our shadow and we are disgusted, quietly for now but just wait. the bush fall is the most dramatic reversal of any president’s popularity since there have been good measurements. the decline is greater and, more importantly, quicker that anyone can really integrate. this is a wonderful CAT scan of the American psyche. people everywhere know what the deal is with bush and company, and the polls reflect the broad consensus.

i'm hoping that along with the positive expression emerging and aided through popular activism via the net, there will be some corrections that send a message that the power structure and media institutions can't do what they've done without paying a price. sort of like the corrections made in French society after the revolution: massive consumer boycotts of CNN, FOX, and MS/CNBC; a challenge to the Times and Washington Post by real competitors; a breakup of the media monopolies; real taxes for real corporations; real time for white collar crooks; treating pollution for what it is, assault and battery, and punishing offenders; and much much more, e.g., persona non grata status for bush/cheney.

we're beyond leaders/saviors, hierarchical potentates, and faith. we're in a world of reason and compassion driven by necessity.

Mike, I am so glad I checked back, what a great rousing commentary. Like I said we are not quite finished with the destruction phase, but you are so right, the rebuilding is overlapping I believe. I love it that the Washington Post, NY Times and CNN are being flooded, are you sure about that. This is so great.

Sally,

Whoa - you are a celebrity! And I'm glad to hear of your good works. Lunch with Bill.
Dreams come true.

A high powered Madame, you are! ( I said Madame, not madam) That's a lot of wattage lady. I can imagine what you can do with that to change the world.

I also know that we get tired. But there's always one last hurrah you can gather your energy up for.

Mike, Sally,

If half of Mike's dream above can be accomplished
we'll be in good shape.

I contributed. I sent Blumenthal's article in the
Guardian to CNN, Lou Dobbs, Keith Olberman (who has been doing quite a bit to mock the administration)MSNBC and I asked them why they weren't reporting this and why I had to go to the
Brit papers to find out the truth of what is really going on in America. ( investigation for treason).

But as things get more tense, this govt will try to turn off the internet so that we can't organize - I know it can;t be done completely, but they can shut down our IP's so that we can't get on. And they can shut down the phones.

For 30 years there have been "warnings" that there would come a time when people would have to
communicate psychically. I'm beginning to suspect why.

(Widely smiling)- we might start practicing at given times.

Hey!

I said communicate, not visit.

:)

Hey!

I said communicate, not visit.

:)

Oh funny very funny. Are you a stand up comedian, if not you may have missed your calling.

"WE NEED A LEADER THAT WILL FOLLOW AND EXPRESS OUR FINEST IDEALS AND INSTINCTS."

Mike,
Thank you for your rousing words. Indeed we do not require leaders, the people have the power and it is not necessary to hand it over to anyone. The internet is empowering us; everyday we find some new revelation of abuse by the media or politicians... a few clicks on the keyboard, and like a pebble tossed in the pond, waves of protest emanate... boycutts are powerful. That's how we got rid of Dr. Laura...
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To all: I was curious to see if Bush would acknowledge our fallen troops this Monday... came up with a Rally in California on Monday for "the President and the war and our troops" --- how pathethic is that... a rally for the pResident? Does anyone have anything else? Will he visit any graves?

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Roses pay tribute to war dead

Interfaith service at mosque remembers those who have died because of war in Iraq

By CHRISTINA LEE KNAUSS

Staff Writer

Red and white roses, prayers and chants, many voices and a long silence.

All paid a memorial tribute to those who have died because of the Iraq war at an interfaith prayer service Thursday night at Masjid As-Salaam, a mosque on Monticello Road.

More than 90 people took part in the service, co-sponsored by the Masjid and Partners in Dialogue, an interfaith group based at the University of South Carolina’s School of Religious Studies.

The interfaith service was one of many held around the country Thursday as part of an initiative started by the National Council of Churches of Christ USA, according to Charles Evans, chairman of USC’s religious studies department.

“The council urged people to come together for memorial services at the beginning of the long Memorial Day weekend,” Evans said.

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/local/8780171.htm
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Pat Tillman

Billy House
Republic Washington Bureau
May. 29, 2004 12:00 AM

WASHINGTON - Pat Tillman, the former Arizona Cardinals football player who died in April while a U.S. soldier fighting in Afghanistan, likely was killed by friendly fire, an Army investigation has concluded.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0529tillman29.html
Tillman killed by friendly fire

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Exiled Allawi was responsible for 45-minute WMD claim
By Patrick Cockburn
29 May 2004

The choice of Iyad Allawi, closely linked to the CIA and formerly to MI6, as the Prime Minister of Iraq from 30 June will make it difficult for the US and Britain to persuade the rest of the world that he is capable of leading an independent government.

He is the person through whom the controversial claim was channelled that Iraqi weapons of mass destruction could be operational in 45 minutes.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=526008

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Some Middle East experts believe Bremmer may be responsible for Chalabi's cousin Allawi being named as PM usurping UN recommendations...

Namaste

....MIKE FOR PRESIDENT!!!

I was just getting ready to post the Tillman news. I had heard at the time that it was a CIA "mistake"? I wonder if the family will become as outspoken as Berg's now?

Here's a point for CNN: just read they are suing FL to get a copy of the 2004 Purge List! I only hope Jeb Bush can be incriminated. Let's purge the Purgers! This news was on DU but no link yet.

Also, Eastern Ireland was polled & 2/3 are against Bush's visit. I hope his unpopular reception while travling this June comes to his attention & really makes him depressed!

Poll shows two-thirds questioned in East say No to Bush's visit

08:00 Saturday May 29th 2004

Two out of three people living in the East Constituency say they do not support next month's visit by US President George W. Bush to Ireland.

A poll published today, shows that less than one in five people surveyed are in favour if the visit.

Five hundred people from the constituency were questioned for this latest poll. It indicates widespread opposition among the Irish public to the US occupation of Iraq, with 67pc of those polled claiming they are not in favour of President Bush arriving in Ireland for a meeting with EU leaders.

The survey also probed public attitudes to social issues likely to influence voters in the forthcoming elections. It was found that a third of those living in the east, would be willing to pay more taxes if the government spends it on childcare facilities.
(snip/...)

http://www.unison.ie/breakingnews/index.php3?ca=39&si=56036

Here's the CNN link:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/05/28/fla.vote/index.html

CNN asks Florida court for ineligible voters list
County boards reviewing list for accuracy

This is potentially very good news.

By the way, I love all you guys!!

Found this too and thought it worth sharing.

To Tell the Truth
By PAUL KRUGMAN
May 28, 2004
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/28/opinion/28KRUG.html?hp

Some news organizations, including The New York Times, are currently
engaged in self-criticism over the run-up to the Iraq war. They are
asking, as they should, why poorly documented claims of a dire threat
received prominent, uncritical coverage, while contrary evidence was
either ignored or played down.

But it's not just Iraq, and it's not just The Times. Many journalists
seem to be having regrets about the broader context in which Iraq
coverage was embedded: a climate in which the press wasn't willing to
report negative information about George Bush.

People who get their news by skimming the front page, or by watching TV,
must be feeling confused by the sudden change in Mr. Bush's character.
For more than two years after 9/11, he was a straight shooter, all moral
clarity and righteousness.

But now those people hear about a president who won't tell a straight
story about why he took us to war in Iraq or how that war is going, who
can't admit to and learn from mistakes, and who won't hold himself or
anyone else accountable. What happened?

The answer, of course, is that the straight shooter never existed. He
was a fictitious character that the press, for various reasons,
presented as reality.

The truth is that the character flaws that currently have even
conservative pundits fuming have been visible all along. Mr. Bush's
problems with the truth have long been apparent to anyone willing to
check his budget arithmetic. His inability to admit mistakes has also
been obvious for a long time. I first wrote about Mr. Bush's
"infallibility complex" more than two years ago, and I wasn't being
original.

So why did the press credit Mr. Bush with virtues that reporters knew he
didn't possess? One answer is misplaced patriotism. After 9/11 much of
the press seemed to reach a collective decision that it was necessary,
in the interests of national unity, to suppress criticism of the
commander in chief.

Another answer is the tyranny of evenhandedness. Moderate and liberal
journalists, both reporters and commentators, often bend over backward
to say nice things about conservatives. Not long ago, many commentators
who are now caustic Bush critics seemed desperate to differentiate
themselves from "irrational Bush haters" who were neither haters nor
irrational - and whose critiques look pretty mild in the light of recent
revelations.

And some journalists just couldn't bring themselves to believe that the
president of the United States was being dishonest about such grave
matters.

Finally, let's not overlook the role of intimidation. After 9/11, if you
were thinking of saying anything negative about the president, you had
to be prepared for an avalanche of hate mail. You had to expect
right-wing pundits and publications to do all they could to ruin your
reputation, and you had to worry about being denied access to the sort
of insider information that is the basis of many journalistic careers.

The Bush administration, knowing all this, played the press like a
fiddle. But has that era come to an end?

A new Pew survey finds 55 percent of journalists in the national media
believing that the press has not been critical enough of Mr. Bush,
compared with only 8 percent who believe that it has been too critical.
More important, journalists seem to be acting on that belief.

Amazing things have been happening lately. The usual suspects have tried
to silence reporting about prison abuses by accusing critics of
undermining the troops - but the reports keep coming. The attorney
general has called yet another terror alert - but the press raised
questions about why. (At a White House morning briefing, Terry Moran of
ABC News actually said what many thought during other conveniently timed
alerts: "There is a disturbing possibility that you are manipulating the
American public in order to get a message out.")
It may not last. In July 2002, according to Dana Milbank of The
Washington Post - who has tried, at great risk to his career, to offer a
realistic picture of the Bush presidency - "the White House press corps
showed its teeth" for the first time since 9/11. It didn't last: the
administration beat the drums of war, and most of the press relapsed
into docility.

But this time may be different. And if it is, Mr. Bush - who has always
depended on that docility - may be in even more trouble than the latest
polls suggest.

Sharon, Laure,

"Here's a point for CNN: just read they are suing FL to get a copy of the 2004 Purge List! I only hope Jeb Bush can be incriminated. Let's purge the Purgers! This news was on DU but no link yet."

that's for the 2004 list. The 2000 list where they purged 90,000 names of anyone, mostly democratic voters, who had the same name as any one felon has still not been cleaned up.

The company who did this admitted they knew names
were not felons, told Bush and Harris, and were told to continue.

If we had a real attorney general instead of Salem's witch-hunter, there would be an investigation and prosecution of the governor and Harris instead of her becoming a congress person.
But what can you expect of a country who gives felons such as Oliver North and Liddy their own talk shows.

BTW, whatever happened with the dead intern incident, girl who was found in Joe Scarborough's
congressional offices?

Washington DC is sick.

Shade,

Krugman's article you have posted is very important.

It is a call to the American public to start lambasting by e mail and letters to the editors
of The Times and all the other papers and stations for their failure to act responsibly, to tell the truth of matters, for acting as cheerleaders for Bush and an administration and a war that was a total hoax on the American people,
FOR NOT HAVING INVESTIGATIVE REPORTERS ANYMORE, AND FOR TAKING THE NEWS DIRECTLY FROM THE PR OFFICE OF THE WHITEHOUSE.

The dead intern in Scarborough's office is brought up daily by allhatnocattle.com

Shade,

Thanks for that excellent Post.

SALLY or any other astrologers online now

Regarding Shade's post,

DOESN'T PLUTO IN SAG ALSO INCLUDE PUBLICATIONS - LIKE NEWSPAPERS, ETC.

Well, you can say what you wish but that aspect is only one, a natal one and with what Ralph has so many going on by transit to do with the Venus Occultation but for some reason it's ignored - fear mainly. Other astrologers have agreed with me that he has stuff happening between now and November that Kerry and NO ONE has, when you add it all.

Plus I doubt Bush will never let Kerry win. And THAT is a very important observation if you want to oust Bush. I come upon my observations first with what my ethics are towards the war, then secondly on the astrological indications, and lastly on the psychology of the group mind.

To me the Pope is right on, indeed. And if American Astrologers can't see that, (I'm sure most do agree), then that's the last pool to be contaminated. And I'm sure he's not into pedophelia, although many would like him to be, to write him off, so they say so - that' purely the devil again of course.

And Corleonis, this sight is so filled with one-sided, 'who one should vote for' that when I come on, people get a chance to see what it feels like, and they flip out.

Sally with all due respect you talk about Raph's ego, yet you hate him 'cause he snubbed you. I mean really, it's so transparent. And to say people bend things to fit what they'd LIKE to be, you do exactly that with Nader, even admitting you can't look at his chart in an unbiased way.

Sometimes it's amazing to know that all of you are older than me. But the fear, negativity, and almost comfortable complaining about the goings on and ranting do fit the stereotypical old person sitting in a park.

Well considering the corruption of the present government, the fact that people don't LIKE Kerry, are only voting for him because they hate Bush and that Ralph is picking up major steam (doesn't get on with the public? there goes faulty astrological interpretation -- that's the only reason he is even known?) will probably get on the debates, by October if you don't want Bush, everyone's going to have to vote Nader. And that's karma for 2000. One headline on the message board yesterday was 'a vote for kerry is a vote for bush' and the guy who wrote that was cheered on, by the people in this country who are sick and tired of what's going on for real.

But I will not post on this board any more because it is filled with people who are so biased and much like their dear President Bush cannot see that war is bad. The golden age is certainly NOT for those who feel that way.

Enjoy the park.

....can anyone confirm this???

http://www.planetout.com/news/article-print.html?2004/05/28/4

That's right, Roxanne, insult everyone, then pick up your marbles and go home... leave the sandbox because your opinion is not embraced. How silly and childish is that!

You do not have to insult folks because they don't agree with you. You really should apologize to Sally... why attack her? She is our hostess here... this is the equivalent of her home we come to... a guest should not insult the hostess. I know your mother taught you better manners. Yes, some of us are old enough to be your mother, but that doesn't mean we are senile... ready for a park bench.

Maybe you need some time in the sunshine --- it's beautiful this month... the wild flowers here are lovely... I'm sure New York is wonderful this time of year. So, take a break with your beautiful baby and calm down. Then apologize to Sally, and come back to us. We love you... just don't like this behavior you exhibited a few minutes ago. Come back and tell me how beautiful Venus is enriching your life.

Namaste

TRIVIA BREAK ! ! !

SHRUB' REINCARNATED FROM..........?

This was really my very first thought but, as
usual, I ignored my 'hunch' and went on to other
'maybe's'......

The Universe ALWAYS supplies us with answers, if
we care to listen. While reading Paul Krugman's
above article, the phrase "......I first wrote
about Mr. Bush's "Infallibility Complex"........
struck me like a thunderbolt !

Who has, for two millennia, ruled his "flock" with
the conviction of INFALLIBILITY?......A POPE.....

That's why I feel that my first hunch was correct:

URBAN II, the Pope who instigated the First Crusa-
de. He craved the riches of Byzantium and the
crown of Supreme Ruler of Christendom......
In his speech at the Council of Clermont, he told
the feuding petty nobles and kings: "If you must
have blood, bathe your hands in the blood of
INFIDELS. Soldiers of hell become soldiers of the
Living God".......

A quick search may reveal more similarities.
So far, I have no firm 'hunches' on any other lives in between then and now.....

FOR ANOTHER BREAK FROM "GRIM REALITY":

Go to today's cartoon in the editorial page of the
St. Petersburg Times. Hey, don't get me wrong, I
ADORE "Big Dawg" and I think he'd get a chuckle out
of it himself. After all, he's a good Leo, with
a great sense of humour.....

Hey Jo,

it's not about picking up marbles and going home because people don't agree with me.

I invited everyone to a Venus party at my house in California, but there, you think I live in New York, meaning you don't read my posts. And Sally, nice person that she is, encourages people to not read them, because I favor a candidate that she doesn't like. Now who is childish? And who insults who?

People are just stuck in their ways and are too afraid to really look at a candidate who is saying what they are saying. Sally talks about bending astrology to fit ones perference yet Pallas does not mention that that very Jupiter natally is also trine a North Node in the 1st house and Saturn, indicating a powerful public persona who becomes lucky early in life. No one is fair here with my particular choice just because I try to show them he is the only one saying EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAY HERE EVERY DAY...

I don't need to be calmed down..and the sun is always shining on my life because as a Virgo with 5 planets therein, I try to perfect myself to what I'm really preaching, and that comes down to my choice for President. So hang me.

that's 'late' in life, with saturn in the 1st.

WV,

Re your link above... there has been growing concern ('scuse the pun) in the UK re obesity... but how anyone could tie that to gay marriage, I really don't know! This Lord Tebbit is for real and apparently made these comments on TV and there is plenty of backlash... next thing you know they'll blame gays for the economy, or when it rains... sad, isn't it?

About your garden... I also live in the woods and have deer and rabbits visit the garden, so I do most of mine on the deck... I made a deal with the deer... they're only allowed to eat my shrubs and plants when there's a drought... and no greenery in the ditch and surrounding woods... so far they have been really good about leaving my plants alone, but my husband doesn't believe you can 'talk' to the animals, and insists on planting near 'no man's land' and they eat his plants! what can I say?

Namaste

Jacee, Pluto in Sag might rule the papers read world wide such as the BBC, Guardian, NY Times, Wall Street Journal but the print media would be ruled by Gemini (the 3rd house) so would TV. Pluto in Sag however would be applying pressure on that Gemini so as to case in point, while not ruling the media Sagittarius has a big impact on the ruler or the third house. That's a long way around saying 'you're right.'

Roxanne, it's a beautiful day here in New York. I hope it's just as beautiful where you are; go out, soak up some sun and fresh air. While enjoying the outdoors maybe you can contemplate the old adage: It's not what you say, it how you say it.

And since I'm probably older than you, some advice---you NEVER want to pick a fight with a Scorpio Sun or Moon.

I am about to go out and sit on my bench on my front terrace and enjoy my hedges of pink, red, yellow and orange hibiscus. When it gets cooler this evening I may plant the three gorgeous red Bouganivillia waiting patiently for me.

I have Mars in Sagittarius.

I also am possessed of the "astrologer's degree".

When I do a delineation of a chart, I don't do it with a pre-set notion and a bias. Nor does Sally.
We "read" what we see. Transits/progressions DO NOT overcome what is written natally. Transits/progressions only release the energies of the natal chart.

"...Pallas does not mention that that very Jupiter natally is also trine a North Node in the 1st house and Saturn, indicating a powerful public persona who becomes lucky early in life...."

Quite true. Mr. Nader certainly has achieved fame, early in life. NOT through election. It is no longer early in life for him. And he no longer
works at the very thing that gave him success.

And though I have Mars in Sagittarius bluntness I certainly hope I have never offended anyone on this board in like manner as the last poster.
If I ever have, please tell me, and accept my profuse apologies.

Now excuse me while I get my walker and shuffle out to the porch.

So, from "I'm not posting here anymore" right into "hey, pay more attention to me" ... yeah, it's Roxanne.

Roxanne, you ARE pissed because many of us don't support Nader. But, as Sally and others have cleary illustrated in past articles, his ASTROLOGY (the sole reason for this Board, by the way) doesn't support a prominent Public role as President at this time! And one can try and twist it and turn it in a desperate attempt to make it fit what they want, but, if it's not to be, it's not to be. To once again (and fairly predictably) insult everyone because they don't agree with you or write what you want to see is not only childish, but completely inappropriate. I don't come here to read your Postings pleading with people to pay attention to Ralph. I come for the brilliant articles Sally, Pallas, Nancy, Morgana, et al. offer and to, hopefully, learn more about astrology. And to be collectively brought to task by you for not falling in line and adoring Ralph is ridiculous and inexcusable. That type of behaviour, in my opinion, is not appropriate. And unfortunately distracts from the premise of this fantastic Board ... the only thing that sometimes keeps me safe in this odd political World of ours.

But I've lost my original point, which is that you did get all this nice attention, didn't you?

(By the way, if one needs to know, I'm a very happy 35 years old.)

Jonathan

Roxanne, Sally has been right all along, Ralph has no chance in hell and if you are going to vote for him, you're giving Bush another 4 years. Al Gore would be president if Ralph had not run in 2000 and that is a fact.

I have found myself over the years very upset with your posts in one way or another, so I quit responding to you. But when you start to disrespect the good souls on this board, I cannot help myself.

I personally think Sally has been extremely calm and collected and truthful when dealing with your obsession with Ralph Nader. I'm sure Sally can speak for herself, but I just had to say something.

You threaten, curse and rant simply to get attention. You seem very stuck in your own ways. I have many Virgo planets myself but, thankfully, I feel they give me wisdom and kindness, not the expectation that everyone around me should be perfect. I'm going to shut up now.

Peace.

I'll jump into the fray and admit I'm a 0 degree Aries, Leo Rising, Taurus Moon on the MC, with my Mars in Sag and my Saturn and Venus in Aries. Have to bite my tongue a bit, sometimes, but try my best to be diplomatic. It just gets my (rather youthful) goat when someone attacks the wonderful hostess of this site, Sally. In light of all the work she does, plus the fantastic articles .....grrrrrrrr.

:-)

Jonathan

Roxanne,
I read everyone of your posts... I thought you were in New York, I'm sorry... guess senility has set in... Why would I want to hang you?

I have Virgo Rising with 2 planets and a couple of asteroids there, so the house is full. My expectation for perfection is unrealistic, I know that... so at my advanced age, I no longer feel compelled to pull all the weeds from the garden (my back won't take it anyway) and I try not to correct the grandchildren as much as I'm sure I corrected my poor daughter.

I'm not expert on astrology... but I've observed enough to know that there can be many interpretations of one transit.

Roxanne, I won't try to speak for others on this board. But I will tell you I believe if we don't get Bush out of the White House this November, it's all over. I have been listening to political conventions since I was a teenager... I am a political junkie... and I love this country... and I am terrified of it becoming a Fascist state. Kerry is not perfect... he may not measure up to your ideal... but IMHO he's our best shot at reclaiming the White House and beginning the earnest journey of changing our political system, with the help of people like Nader, Dean and others. We are not saying we don't want Nader... we are saying most people support Kerry, and the polls reflect that.

You may not need calming down... but you do need to apologize to Sally --- your comments were not appropriate. Again, we all love you, so apologize already.

You sound as if you are feeling 'unheard' when you come to this board. You are right that in criticizing the fundies and the rapture/readies we sometimes come off as criticizing Christians. I apologize if I have offended you. We are all sensitive to our own feelings these days and we are all sometimes insensitive to the feelings of others, without meaning to be. It is difficult to communicate in cyberspace. But it is excellent training for telepathy, don't you think? You are pretty psychic, aren't you? My daughter and I can almost read each other's minds, which is not always a good thing. We are way too sensitive to each other's remarks. Perhaps you are picking up alot of feelings from others? We do love you, and we don't want you to go away. I told you sometime back that we need your idealism... you support Nader... don't feel you have to defend that support. Most of us live in a red state where we can't do that. The polls indicate California is Kerry's... so you are blessed, in that you can support your choice. I can't, because I believe we must defeat Bush in South Carolina. It is purple now, and may turn Blue.

Namaste

I'll be 43 July 31, and I like it here; lots of really wise, informed, open, funny people.

I would pay you all if I had the money, and thanks for being so nice to me. I unfortunately gave my unvarnished (Merc. in Scorp) opinion of Nadar based on his chart and my observation of his use of his energies through the years. I would probably not have placed such a harsh opinion of him in one of my articles, buttttt I was posting on the comment side.

Except for the use of obscenity and personal attacks on one another and getting into back and forth arguments (that's why I never answered Roxanne back in following comments) everyone is free to post their opinions. I felt I was a out of line because even though I believe what I said to be true about Nadar, I could have used a kinder phrase or just not answered the post.

So I apologize to the board and I appreciate your support from the bottom of my heart.

Jonathan,

You have an interesting chart. Sounds like a setup
for fame. What are you going to publish?

Astrologers, maybe I can get your attention this time. Can anyone recommend a book which explains the meaning and significance of degress in a planet? Thanks.

To change the subject, seems the military is having some communication problems all its own.
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,63604,00.html
I wonder, Sally, if you think the Venus phenomenon is somehow reflected in this event.
Oh, yes, and thank you ever so much for giving us this grand opportunity to learn and share.

Communication focus eh?
3 things in this week's news from Hawaii jumped out at me - considerable military infrastructure build up in the works;
Carlyle group buying land line telephone company even though land line usage declining due to cell phones. They're savvy, influential investors. Why Hawaii? ;
and more radio station consolodation - 8 stations in the past 7 months, deals either completed or in process, to Salem (nation's leader in "religious or family oriented" programming) and a company called Visionary Related Entertainment.

Sally, if the pope is that foggy, I wonder who Chaney was really conferring with on his trip last year? I guess they're just keeping the poor old guy around for good photo op pr purposes.

Jo

I posted that article for a laugh, to break up
the tension. Can you imagine a man of his stature
and education to go on TV and make a bloody fool
of himself in that way?

I saw a rabbit on the lawn this morning. In the
past I have had deer come right up on the deck
and clean out the barrels. Then want to be petted.
I have put white light around the garden this year
so I know all will be well.

SALLY!

You owe no one an apology for delineating any chart as you see it. As they say "50,000 Frenchmen can't be wrong"

And you and I and every other PROFESSIONAL astrologer I know of are in agreement concerning Mr. Nader's chart.

Since I see his T square as a compulsive seeker
of excitement, a destroyer and disrupter, by the way, perhaps people with similar aspects are drawn to him and the need to defend him.

Now my Mars trine Pluto is getting irritated. I'm holding my tongue. But I can tell you I've had about enough of this childish nonsense.

First it's attempting to convert everyone on the board to fundamentalist Xian, then it's lambasting everyone for not voting for and supporting Nader, and finally it's attacking the person who generously provides this forum for both credentialed astrologers and non astrologers.

GROW UP AND KNOCK IT OFF.

PS - if it is true, people around here are a lot
kinkier than I care to think about.

Communication--in this case, Orwellian to the max. Please, Sally, when will these people and their scarey tom-foolery go away (she asked, feeling perfectly horrid)?
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=16378&mode=nested&order=0

Janet,

If I understand your question correctly:

There are 360 degrees to the circle of the horoscope. They are divided into 12 houses, which are called areas of life, thus giving 30 degrees to each house/area of life, because 12 x 30 = 360.

One degree, if you remember what you learned in grade school, is made up of 60 minutes.

In the horoscope the degrees are divided into Constellations also. So you have 10 degrees 15 minutes of Sagittarius, which is written 10 (0=little circle) 15' minutes (sign of Sag which is an arrow with a cross through it).

Does that help?

P.S. I like Nader too, but thought it wasn't very "nice" of him to endorse DK, who I adore, then run himself. Sally, your gentleness inpired me to send my promised contribution into the site, can you confirm it for me if/ when you get it so I know I did it right? Thanks.

Shylurker, yes you are right I think about the military and later today I will tell you why I think that and hopefully some of the other great astrologers around can give their input. My daughters are taking me to a Play this afternoon and I am late now. More when I return

Nader is taking funding form GOPers. He hated Clinton and Gore, and conciously helped Bush into the White House.

That's enough for me. He needs to be a non-entity. He is a spoiler and he knows it. discussing him is a waste of bandwidth and jsut because one poster chooses to make him an issue is not a reason to go thorough all of this. Astrologically and practically he would make a terrible President. He has proven the Peter Principal and brought great distruction to the country he supposedly use to serve so selflessly. Thos who tried to work with him have told grim tales of his treatment of them then, and his demeanor has not imporved since. Ralf is about Ralf and what Ralf thinks.

At this point he needs to be religated to the bin on non-attention, and if everyone would do that, we would all be better off.

Roxanne, you have not got any right to hammer this or any board with your opinopn over and over again, especially when no one agrees with you. Perhaps it is allabout Roxanne.

Those are my thoughts. Perhaps I will evolve to a more Buddhist mindset.

A wise teacher taught me to love everyone but use discrimination. Do I really love Roxanne? From faraway in cyberspace I can ignore her childish fundie ways . Would never let her into my personal life with all the obsessing and attention sucking energy. If she left the board I'd be relieved.
We should all be careful to not use blind faith to believe we are all loving to/each other. A fatal flaw that's holding back the people from getting angry enough to express their disgust from being had by this government.
staying anon this time

Jeanie and All,

"Carlyle group buying land line telephone company even though land line usage declining due to cell phones. "

This is very bad. They also have bought educational books publishing companies which supply books to schools. And Neil Bush through a computer company he bought is supplying tests to every school in Florida. I don;t know if they are used in other states.

They also tried to buy French Vivendi I think is the name, which owns the tv station "USA" movie channel here.

They're getting every corner of influence lined up so that the next generations will be inculcated with their beliefs.

This is bad. Very bad. That could also be Pluto in Sagittarius: change in learning, change in publishing.

WV,
I thought the post was a joke... then I googled it up and found that several papers carried it. So, did he say those awful things or not?

Shylurker, thanks for the "Orwellian" post.

Yes. Control and censorship. I think we are moving into a dangerous time because the administration is panicked realizing that they are losing control of what the people are knowing
through all these new sources of communication.

I am not a professional astrologer but I fell in love with it at age 16 after reading Linda Goodman. I lucked into a teacher when I was in my mid-20s who taught astrology from a very practical, day-to-day perspective. I have to admit that a lot of what I read here is way above my head. Perhaps because I have Saturn in Sag in the 9th squaring Pluto, the more esoteric approach makes me uncomfortable. BUT, I do read each and every post because to not do so would be closing off my mind to possibly learning things I never imagined.

What I'm trying to get at, in my own inept way, is that this site has become necessary in my life. I hear from people from different walks of life I would never have met otherwise. The mutual support of the members is fantastic. You are all friends I have never had the good fortune to meet and if Sally hadn't put this board together I would still feel alone and isolated in both my interest in astrology and what is going on in the world today.

Thank you all for being here. A big thanks to you, Sally, for being the gracious and knowledgable hostess that you are.

Janet,

In case I didn't understand your question correctly and you want to know where to find
certain "meanings" assigned to each degree,
google online

Astrologer Diana K. Rosenberg

and also Astrologer Anne Wright

they both have sites with information on "psychically" derived meanings of each degree.

PALLAS18, Thanks so much for responding. Your answer is in-line with my question, but I am still unclear. For example, let's say that my Cancer Moon is 4degrees. What does the 4degree mean as opposed to let's say 16degrees. Does the degree change the intensity of the planet? What is the implication of the degree? Further, Jonathan stated above that he was 0degree Aries, how would that change Jonathan if he were 10degrees Aries? Basically, I'm looking for a book which explains each degree.

Pallas18, you are an angel. Thanks.

Ah, Jonathan......You must have 'ESP', as some-

one else and myself have been missing you a LOT

around here.......

Love, Joy and Peace,

Janet Honey,

You are asking good questions but they are questions which would take up too much room on Sally's bandwith to answer. Your answers are in
a beginning course in astrology.

Jonathan's 0 degree Aries is very important because 0 is an important degree, called "critical" in astrology.

0 Aries differs from 16 Aries because they have the flavor of different "dwads".

See what I mean? It would be teaching a whole beginner's course in Astrology. I dont know where
you are located but if you check with your local high schools they usually have adult education courses that carry someone teaching astrology. Or go to your local astrology bookstore where I'm sure they'll have someone giving classes.

There are also many sites on the internet teaching
"Beginner's Astrology"

Why don;t you google exactly those words, and I bet you find lots of sites. Okay?

paranoia redux:

there are real concerns about high-handed, dictatorial tactics by 'the administration.' the fears are shutting down the internet, stealing the election, and bush delaring martial law. rejoice and celebrate, toto has pulled back the curtian. the sound and fury is generated by portly midget of an administration that has dissociative identity disorder.

the internet: the operation of the internet is controlled, on a technical level, by fanatics (in the best sense of the word); people who love the net and won't go down easily. more importantly, the bzillion users, many of whom display addictive behavior (ah hem) would be furious. shutting down the internet now is like trying to disarm american gun owners. extremely difficult to impossible.

stealing the election: great link on the court battle over the FL 'purge list.' this battle took place after the 2000 election and was never made public to any degree (the NAACP accepted a consent decree and settled). it's five months before the 2004 election and the case is in court. also, the electronic voting firms are under intense observation and criticism. diebold, the largest, is taking a major hit from stock analysts and institutional investors on just this issue! very hard to pull this one off.

martial law: if they could, we all know they would...but look at the divisions in the military. almost all major former generals active in commenting on iraq are highly critical of the war and administration. reportedly, many in the pentagon resent the rummy crowd. the state department and parts of the army in iraq are screwing w/chalabi and setting up his allies in the administration for a treason investigation(this weekend, the fbi is questioning high officials at a 'right wing think takn in DC' to find out who leaked top secret information). bush and rummy can pull this trigger but the round is a dud.

Sally is right about the painful deconstruction and also about the rebuilding, the seeds within the ashes.

Tnx, Mike! Always love your posts.

Mike, thanks for your post. I felt this, but can't relate it as credibly as you have... thanks again.

A day or so ago, after one of the most egregious
insults (extremely uncalled for) hurled at Sally,
I made an effort of calling her "Lady Sally", hop-
ing to make my point. Of course, it was useless...

I think my "Lady Sally" name should stick, as I
have seldom seen such stoicism in the face of such
blatant attacks...........

What say you, GANG?

Powerful emotions on this board today. Some of them quite painful to feel, you can taste the venom. Venus rx opposite Pluto? That type of nastiness is so destructive. Much more useful to apply it to a constructive cause like removing the chimp from office.
Otherwise it is a beautiful day in the San Francisco Bay area, and in particular my forest (redwoods big big trees).
Janet, please drop me an email. I've some links and references to send you.

seawitch@pacbell.net

shy, jo, wv, thanks for the kind words. here's one just for you:

http://www.liberalconspiracy.com/Chalabiphotogallery.htm

...what's this with somebody bothering Sally. wasn't it Sally who rescued this forum after months of inactivity and then, with great diplomacy and taste, brought the best element of the former team, Ms. Waterman, on board?

SALLY, THANK YOU FOR ASTROWORLD!!!

Morgana:

With all due respect, what you hear is not

VENOM, it is simply long-held and long-suffering

OUTRAGE.......

I particularly like the photo of Chalabi and
Santorum.

That should be e mailed to some Pennsylvania newspaper - ROFL - preferably at re-election time.

Meanwhile from link posted above: THE PATRIOT ACT, ACLU, FBI, or CATCH 22 LIVES. Actually if you read it carefully it isn't funny at all. They've applied Guantanamo lawlessness to the U.S.
courts:

News Report
‘John Doe’ Revealed as Secret Client in Censored ACLU Patriot Act Case
by Jessica Azulay (bio)

May 27 - The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) yesterday released more information about the heavily censored legal challenge it is bringing against the government’s use of a controversial provision of the USA PATRIOT Act that allows the FBI to obtain from businesses sensitive personal information about their clients. Among the documents unsealed today is a declaration by the ACLU’s anonymous client in the case, the president and sole employee of an unnamed Internet Service Provider (ISP), referred to only as "John Doe."

John Doe is prohibited by law from revealing his identity to the public, even as he confronts the federal government over the very section of the Patriot Act that forces him to remain anonymous.

In his statement, Doe explains that his business provides access to the Internet, email accounts and space on the Web where people can post their own sites or store electronic files. He says some of the his clients "are individuals and political associations that engage in controversial political speech," and that some "communicate anonymously or pseudonymously," which allows them "to discuss embarrassing, sensitive or controversial subjects without fear of retaliation or reprisal."

Doe and the ACLU are asking the court to deem unconstitutional the government’s use of National Security Letters (NSLs), which allow FBI agents to demand, with no judicial oversight, personal information about clients of Internet Service Providers.

"I believe that the government may be abusing its power by targeting people with unpopular views," Doe writes. "I am challenging the constitutionality of the NSL provision in an effort to protect all of my clients’ interests."

In a memorandum to the court, the ACLU wrote that the statute allowing the broad use of National Security Letters gives the FBI "unchecked authority" to require businesses to reveal "a broad array of sensitive information, including information about the First Amendment activities of ordinary Americans who are not suspected of any wrongdoing."

The memorandum continues: "The statute does not require the FBI to seek judicial authorization before demanding the disclosure of sensitive information, and it does not specify any means by which a person served with an NSL can challenge the NSLs validity before complying with it. In other words, the FBI issues NSLs without judicial oversight of any kind."

ACLU lawyers and their client are also disputing a section of the law that prohibits an entity that receives a National Security Letter request for information from telling anyone about the request. Ironically, this gag order is the same rule that prohibits the ACLU and John Doe from talking about many aspects of their case.

The ACLU challenge of the National Security Letters and the gag rule has been wrapped in secrecy since it was filed in early April this year. The civil liberties organization has been locked in constant disagreements with the government over how much can be revealed about the case. The group was not even allowed to announce the existence of the suit for over two weeks, and even after negotiating the right to publicize the case, has been subject to numerous restrictions on the kinds of information it can disclose. Numerous words, sentences and entire sections of the documents related to the suit, which are posted on the group’s website, remain blacked out.

Assistant attorney general for legal policy Daniel Bryant defended the gag order last week at a House Judiciary subcommittee hearing last week, saying it prevents people from interrupting terrorism investigations. But critics say the secrecy rule is designed to keep the public in the dark about the government’s invasion into people’s constitutionally protected privacy.

"It is particularly troubling," writes ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero in a statement to the court, "that while the ACLU... [has] been gagged from discussing the NSL power, President Bush and representatives of the FBI and Justice Department are engaged in a public campaign in support of the Patriot Act. The gag provision silences those who are most likely to oppose the Patriot Act. [We] believe we have the right to inform the public of a great deal of the information the gag is suppressing."

In filings with the court, Both Romero and Doe described the self-censorship they had been forced to engage in when asked by others about the National Security Letters in general or the case in particular.

"The government has now prohibited the disclosure of my name and my company’s name in connection with the case," said Doe. "They have provided no further clarification about what I can and cannot say." He says that he has found it difficult to have normal conversations. "[I] used to discuss topics related to politics and current events, but now I feel wary when I communicate... I have steered clear of numerous topics of conversation as I am afraid.... The gag has put me in a very compromising situation, as I do not want to be dishonest in my communications [words blacked out] but also do not want to violate the gag."

Romero said that not only is the gag order affecting how he and other staff at the ACLU can talk about the case, but it is having an impact on the broader activities of the organization, which has been actively engaged in educating and organizing against the Patriot Act since the law’s inception in late 2001.

"[T]he scope of the gag in this case, and the refusal of the government to clarify what is prohibited, is intolerable," he writes. "The gag has severely disrupted our ordinary course of business... More importantly, the public and even members of Congress are denied non-sensitive information essential to public and legislative debate that is at the heart of democratic self-governance."

Morgana, we're just plumb nadered-out.
How are you?

Furthermore, Pallas, speaking of Mars:

Mine is in Scorpio, in the First House, trining

Pluto conjunct Sun and squaring my Mercury........

Excruciatingly difficult to keep my mouth shut....

Jo - the post was for real. I just thought it
was terribly funny, and bloody ridiculous. When
I read it I laughed out loud and thought I would
share it. He sounds a bit fundamentalist to me,
they say a lot of peculiar things too. How could
buggery possibly cause obesity? It boggles the
mind. I guess it depends on who is getting buggered. I can't stop laughing.....

Corleonis,
"With all due respect, what you hear is not

VENOM, it is simply long-held and long-suffering OUTRAGE......."
Astrologer abuse is venom, slamming Sally is venom. If it has been long-held and long-suffering outrage then those folks are on the wrong board.
Albeit, if you mean the expression of outrage toward those who are dragging our wonderful country through the fecal matter of Iraq then by all means express away, I have yet to hold my tongue. Jumped onboard moveon.org during the Clinton years.
And I've lost many a friend for my anti-war stance and anti-bush regime and anti-Gitmo prisoner abuse opinions.
Sally is the best of the best.

Hello Morgana Seawitch.

I agree with Corleonis and Shylurker. Turning the other cheek has its limits. At some point the head begins spinning like the exorcist from turning the cheeks so often. :)

How goes it?
Have you decided to put off the operation until
Venus is direct?

Pallas18, the sooner the better I'm about out of patience. I'm still being put through tests, MRI next week. In a nutshell a calcium deposit has fused my neck vertebrae toasting my ability to walk, arms, hands, fingers, thyroid, with migraines 24 x 7. I've been stuck like this since August 2003. I'll take my chances with the stars on which ever day the neurolgist decides to relieve me of this pain so my body can start healing.
The Venom I was speaking of was directed at Sally. I get upset over astrologer abuse or people abuse for that matter, and animal abuse.
I think a chunk of this country's peoples have lost their moral compass.

Haaaa! Mercury in Virgo exactly sextile Uranus in Cancer and I find it hard not to say my piece too!! I've been quiet of late because all the good people on this board so it all so well I don't think my input is needed. However, today I think I lost my cool a little bit.

Pallas18, that article about "John Doe" very scary indeed. Thank you for all your input! Corleonis, I think we live nearby each other, I'm very near St. Pete. I would love to meet you sometime. It's also great to hear from Jonathan again. Morgana, I have been thinking about you and wish you the very best.

Morgana,

oops - some confusion. Corleonis, Shylurker, Mike
and everyone who posts here, except one, were upset by one attacking astrologers and Sally.

It's over now. So let's Move On. I wish they would have more of Albert Gore. That was probably the best speech of his life and sorely needed at this time in history. I wish Move On would use it in their advertisements. He said what needed to be said exactly the way it needed to be said.

Pallas18, moveon.org is selling the dvd of Gore's speech for a $5.00, a great purchase.
After listening to Al Gore on CSPAN, stayed up late for that, I though he really should be running the country.

Pallas18,

You must have ESP or something with regards to your above "You have an interesting chart. Sounds like a setup
for fame. What are you going to publish?" comment. I've been an actor now for several years and, at the insistent prodding of Divine Inspiration, have put pen to paper (okay, fingers to keyboard) and have begun what some are calling a very, very good script! Never considered myself a writer, but a friend of mine joked that that's a bit like Barbara Steisand not considering herself a singer. Go figure. Just following the Path and hoping for a bit of Light along the way.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Pallas18. I've always enjoyed your Posts, both here and over on DU.

Jonathan

Oh Morgana.

Oh.

A friend's daughter just had the same thing happen and had the operation. Successful but a long recovery - three or so months. And I seriously am hoping I won't be in the same position, spurs growig out of injuries to discs in neck. So far I have refused surgery.

Don;t be out of patience. Pick the very very best day for your planets and you tell the surgeon
that's the day you want the surgery. And get their charts too, but I'm sure you know that.

Forgive me for sounding like a naggy mother, and I'm sure you know how serious this surgery is. With me they want to go in the back of the neck, but with most they go in through the front. The MRI is to figure out the best location to go in usually.

So strange. Lots of Scorpios here, lots of Mars trine Plutos, and now more than one with the same neck problems.....

birds of a feather...

and so what's with your abdomen?

wrapping up {{{Morgana))) in warm pink blanky

Morgana,

Have no idea who you are or what you look like, but have been doing my best to wrap you in a wonderful, healing light every night before I go to sleep. I do hope all this energy, from everyone else included, helps to alleviate some of your discomfort before the Doctors can help you out.

You're in my thoughts. I trust you'll feel better soon.

Jonathan (Aries Sun trine Scorp Neptune)

Pallas18 menopause? Just hit 52.

Jonathan, oughta hook you up with my son, he's getting into cinematography. Almost 31, Cancer saturn is sitting on his son so he's going back to college and moving home. Looking forward to seeing your work, and thank you and everyone else for the wonderful healing energies. I am so appreciative.

Morgana,

School is great for your son, but I would suggest, quite honestly, him getting more involved in making movies. That's what people pay attention to in this "Biz". It's never "where did you attend college", but always "what movies have you made". It'd be great for training his eye, helping him in the developement of his craft, meeting people who, like him, are making films, etc and so on. Feel free to contact me personally if you like should there be any questions at ccpup@hotmail.com

Jonathan
20 March 1969 at 2:55 PM Seattle, WA

Jonathan,

"You must have ESP or something with regards to your above "You have an interesting chart. Sounds like a setup for fame. What are you going to publish?" , (grinning)

"Thanks for the vote of confidence, Pallas18. I've always enjoyed your Posts, both here and over on DU."

Thanks Jonathan. I've pretty much stopped posting astrology over there, unfortunately. The moderators let the hasslers run wild over the astrologers. Not worth the aggravation of having the threads so interrupted. They lose by winning.

Roxanne - With all due respect. as an admitted reader rather than poster, your posts are the ones I skip. To me, they have an inclination to be imature and hysterical. I get enough of that from the rethugs and this place is my escape from the invective that has been so much a part of the world.

As for Sally's observations of the pope, she confirmed what I thought just by seeing him on television. As for Vatican morality, I consider it mia, back to the time of the Borgias and Machiavelli who put their imprint on the church, and before that, when they made women less than and Mary Magdalene a whore. Back to the time they arranged a torch party for the library at Alexandria so that ancient wisdom would not be available to contradict their edicts and teachings. Just ask the Italian jews, the black soldiers who were not allowed to guard the vatican because of their skin color or the victims of child abuse who just this week saw the enabler Law be awarded with a plum position, what they think of the vatican and popes..

As for your attack on Sally, I, imho, considered it unconscionable. Rather like biting the hand that feeds you.

Nader? Again in my opinion, not unlike the shrub with his insistence on distancing himself from reality. Today's Ross Perot, though to give Ross credit, he did know that the devil is in the details.

As to your slam of those you perceive to be older than you...a lack of respect for accrued wisdom and knowledge is what got us into this war in the first place.

If you are outraged at what has been going on in this world, perhaps you need to focus that rage on the ones who done us wrong in the first place, and not transfer it to those who are doing their best to reveal the truth and heal this world.

As a follow up to the "venom" eminating forth earlier, I would like to share a quote I came across earlier today.

"Words convey grace, which is what makes them sacred."

For those who strive for the spiritual path, it is important to choose words wisely.

Just came across this:

Howard Dean "has signed a deal with a California firm to become a nationally syndicated newspaper columnist, starting next week," the Burlington Free Press reports.
"Terms of the deal were not disclosed, but an official for the syndicate confirmed the arrangement Wednesday and said Dean's weekly column would be sent to 700 newspapers beginning next week."

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004/121/51.0.html

Bush Calls for 'Culture Change'
In interview, President says new era of responsibility
should replace 'feel-good.'

President George W. Bush, in a rare on-the-record
session with religion editors and writers on
Wednesday, said his job as president is to "change
cultures."

I'm giving a speech next Tuesday that will talk about
a clash of ideologies. I talked about it … I referred
to it a little bit on Monday night. Monday night was a
speech to explain to the people that we, you know,
that we know where we're going. It's not going to be
easy, by the way. People who lived in tyranny, they
haven't developed the habits of free people yet. They
haven't been free yet. And anyway, I made it clear
that the relationship between an occupier and the
people of the country will shift to one of free people
with the help of a coalition of nations.

I believe there's a clash of ideologies and I think—I
just know—that America must be firm in our resolve and
confident in our belief that freedom is the mightiest
gift to everybody in the world and that free societies
will be peaceful societies.

In the short run we will use every asset to prevent an
enemy from attacking us again. Which I believe they
want to do. I believe they want to do it because I
know they want to sow discord, distrust, and fear at
home so that we begin to withdraw from parts of the
world where they would like to have enormous influence
to spread their Taliban-like vision—the corruption of
religion—to suit their purposes. And so that's where
we use every asset. I mean we just have—I will not
yield to them—to their blackmail, to their murder, to
their death, to the fear that they try to cause
through death.

The long-run solution to terror is freedom. That's
what we believe in America. We believe that everybody
yearns to be free. We believe everybody can be free.
Now I'm getting people to research all the statements
of doubt about whether or not Japan could be free
after World War II. And I suspect we'll find there was
quite a bit of cynicism, and people were just flat
dubious that people in the Far East—who had a religion
that was foreign to most Americans—could conceivably
self-govern in a democratic style. Thank goodness the
optimists ruled the day, because I now work with
[Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro] Koizumi to deal
with problems in world peace 50 years later, such as
Korea. And so that's what I'm spending a lot time
thinking about.

At home, the job of a president is to help cultures
change. The culture needs to be changed. I call it, so
people can understand what I'm talking about, changing
the culture from one that says, "If it feels good, do
it, and if you've got a problem, blame somebody else,"
to a culture in which each of us understands we're
responsible for the decisions we make in life. I call
it the responsibility era. … I said that when I was
governor of Texas. As a matter of fact, I've been
saying that ever since I got into politics. This is
one of the reasons I got into politics in the first
place. Governments cannot change culture alone. I want
you to know I understand that. But I can be a voice of
cultural change.

Part of the responsibility era is the responsibility
that comes with promoting—taking care of your bodies
to the point where we can promote a culture of life.
Father Richard [Neuhaus] helped me craft what is still
the integral part of my position on abortion, which
is: Every child welcomed to life and protected by law.
That is the goal of this administration.

Part of government's role is to foster responsibility
and hope by standing with those who have heard a call
to love a neighbor, which is the second point of the
faith-based initiative that I think is one of the most
important domestic initiatives that I have pushed, if
not the most. It recognizes the rightful relationship
between hearts and souls and government. Again, my job
is to try to distill things down so that average
people can understand it. Here's the way I put it,
"Government can hand out money, but it cannot put love
in people's hearts or a sense of purpose in people's
lives."

Or I like to tell people, "If you're a drunk,
sometimes a psychologist can talk you out of it, but
generally it requires a higher power. If you change
your heart, you change your behavior." And government
must recognize that those heart changers are an
important part of changing society one soul at a time.

So the faith-based initiative recognizes that there is
an army of compassion that needs to be nurtured,
rallied, called forth, and funded, without causing the
army to have to lose the reason it's an army in the
first place.

I mean, one of the real challenges we've had, of
course, is to say to the faith community, "Come in,
the social service money is available for you and oh,
by the way, you can keep the cross on the wall or the
Star of David in your temple without fear of
government retribution." I think we're getting there.
I mean, this is a cultural change in government too,
by the way. It's been a mighty struggle to convince
people of the wisdom of the policy.

In Texas again, my line was, "Look, don't focus on the
process, focus on the results." That's how we were
able to get the prison ministry into that Sugarland
Prison. "See if these people go back into jail or not,
that's all I ask. And if they don't, if it works,
let's keep it intact."

Finally, government has got a responsibility to
support and nurture institutions … foster institutions
that provide hope and stability. That's why I took the
position I took on the sanctity of marriage. I believe
it's a very important issue for America. I think
it—marriage—has worked. It's the commitment between a
man and a woman. That shared responsibility is the
cornerstone—has been the cornerstone—will be the
cornerstone for civilization and I think any erosion
of that definition by itself will weaken civilization
as we have known it, and as we hope to know it.

And I call for a constitutional amendment for two
reasons: One, I understand how the process works and
why there is some protection against the decisions by
a few court judges in one state protecting the
definition of marriage in other states. The legal
scholars tell me it is not on a very firm foundation
because of the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the
Constitution. And therefore there needs to be an
alternative available.

More and quite disturbing....

Sally, you are a beautiful spirit, a wonderful astrologer, and writer, and a generous person. I am glad you are in the world.

Hallellujah!!

What wonderful news.

They used to call Truman, Give Em Hell Harry.

Now it will be "Give Em Hell, Howard.

Now if someone will just put Gore on radio/tv weekly we will have a start at breaking down this
wall of conservative airwave propaganda.

And Big Dawg. Big Dawg would be the icing on the cake!!

Here's the bad news. The FCC (Powell's son) has announced they are going to fine news programs for what they consider indecent reporting. We look into the Abyss as Isabelle says.

this is really good-bye First Amendment which dimson has been chipping away at from day one.

First Amendment: An Overview

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression from government interference. See U.S. Const. amend. I. Freedom of expression consists of the rights to freedom of speech, press, assembly and to petition the government for a redress of grievances, and the implied rights of association and belief. The Supreme Court interprets the extent of the protection afforded to these rights. The First Amendment has been interpreted by the Court as applying to the entire federal government even though it is only expressly applicable to Congress. Furthermore, the Court has interpreted, the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment as protecting the rights in the First Amendment from interference by state governments. See U.S. Const. amend. XIV.

Two clauses in the First Amendment guarantee freedom of religion. The establishment clause prohibits the government from passing legislation to establish an official religion or preferring one religion over another. It enforces the "separation of church and state. Some governmental activity related to religion has been declared constitutional by the Supreme Court. For example, providing bus transportation for parochial school students and the enforcement of "blue laws" is not prohibited. The free exercise clause prohibits the government, in most instances, from interfering with a persons practice of their religion.

The most basic component of freedom of expression is the right of freedom of speech. The right to freedom of speech allows individuals to express themselves without interference or constraint by the government. The Supreme Court requires the government to provide substantial justification for the interference with the right of free speech where it attempts to regulate the content of the speech. A less stringent test is applied for content-neutral legislation. The Supreme Court has also recognized that the government may prohibit some speech that may cause a breach of the peace or cause violence. The right to free speech includes other mediums of expression that communicates a message.

Despite popular misunderstanding the right to freedom of the press guaranteed by the first amendment is not very different from the right to freedom of speech. It allows an individual to express themselves through publication and dissemination. It is part of the constitutional protection of freedom of expression. It does not afford members of the media any special rights or privileges not afforded to citizens in general.

Oh my God.

dimson's statements to christianity today posted above are in violation of everything this country was founded on and is supposed to be.

"the president's job is to bring about culture change" ?????????

he's doing that okay. changing the culture of America to no middle class, just rich and poor -

-Father Richard Neuhaus helped him with his stance on abortion???

we need to google this priest.

-social service money is available to churches while he doesn't fund all the other social service programs?

and this is really the 'piece de resistance' -

"The culture needs to be changed. I call it, so
people can understand what I'm talking about, changing the culture from one that says, "If it feels good, do it, and if you've got a problem, blame somebody else,"to a culture in which each of us understands we're responsible for the decisions we make in life. I call it the responsibility era."

REally. When is he going to take responsibility and stop blaming Bill Clinton?

what a plick.

Between their stacking the Courts, and all the rest (too numerous to list) the picture is soooooooo very clear.

Get.....them........out.......fast!

Okay, somebody said everybody but one was outraged. They must have been talking about me. I started this chain with Roxanne... not the first time I have countered her comments and most of the time, I was I thought fairly harsh. But as Pat has suggested to me, I have been working on "Petty Tyrants" and, I have a Libra Moon... I was angry with Roxanne's behavior... and I did confront her about apologizing... I still believe she owes Sally an apology. But I have been quite spirited with several folks on this board and once or twice it just kept coming at me.

Please don't misinterpret my comments... I was upset. But my Pallas Athena has been so outspoken of late, I told her to step aside today. Guess I picked the wrong day for that?

Namaste

Pat, couldn't agree more - Sally is one of the most generous and compassionate people I've ever had the pleasure to "meet." I don't post that often, as I go away for a week and then come back to hundreds of posts - kind of overwhelming, especially when some of them are nasty. So, posting shorthand:

Mike, I love you.

Morgana, my prayers are with you and I wish you to be free of pain as soon as possible.

Sally & Co., I don't know how I would have gotten through the last 2 years without this site, and I hope we can all respect each other and focus our energies on fighting to regain the country we have almost (not not quite) lost, instead of fighting each other.

Peace and determination!

KHOBAR, Saudi Arabia - Suspected Islamic militants wearing military-style uniforms sprayed gunfire inside two office compounds in the heart of the Saudi oil production region Saturday, killing at least 10 people — including an American — before taking dozens of hostages at a luxury expatriate resort.

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Saudi security forces stormed the walled Oasis Residential Resorts complex and surrounded the attackers on the sixth floor of a high-rise building, a police officer told The Associated Press. Security officials said between 45 and 60 people were being held hostage, mostly Westerners including Americans and Italians.

Statements posted on Islamic Web sites claimed the attack in the name of the Al-Quds (Jerusalem) Brigade. One statement was signed the “al-Qaida in the Arab Peninsula.” It said the attacks targeted U.S. companies and that a number of “crusaders” had been killed.

Saudi Arabia’s ambassador to the United States, Prince Bandar, called the attack “a cowardly and despicable act of murder.”

“These terrorists have no respect for human life and no regard for the principles of Islam,” he said in a written statement.

Second deadly attack this month
The attack was the second deadly assault this month against the Saudi oil industry and came amid oil prices driven to new highs partly by fears that the Saudi kingdom — the world’s largest oil producer — is unable to protect itself from terrorists.

Osama bin Laden, blamed for past terror attacks in Saudi Arabia, has vowed to destabilize the oil industry and undermine the kingdom for its close ties to the United States.

More... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5089558/

This comes from a merc in Aries opp Neptune square uranus and a Pisces ruled 3rd house. I usually can see a big picture (merc also sextile Jupiter and trine Pluto) but putting it into words? I never feel like I make sense, so mostly I post articles instead of my opinions. However, since catching up today, I would like to contribute a couple of thoughts that have been perculating in my mind of late.

First this board is a constant wealth of information and exchange and I value it highly. Second, I just finished watching "The Fog of War," the documentary on Robert S McNamara. It's on dvd now and is an incredible film. Two of his lessons can really apply here in these times. "You can't change human nature." And one of the others was something like, "people see what they want to believe."

I was only 7 years old during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Until now, I had no idea how close, just how close, this country came to a Nuclear Arms conflict with the Soviet Union. I look at the leadership we had then, and what we have now, and it gets scarey. I noticed that back then (around Oct 27th, 1962) good ole Uranus and Jupiter were forming an opposition and were in square aspect to that USA natal Uranus at 8 Gemini. Not exact, but there, kind of like now.

I am thinking more and more on that ability we have as human beings to create our reality, that perception is our reality. We all have our lenses, that is for sure. With Sag rising I presently have trans Pluto for a lens; talk about a new found suspicion.......yet an obessive need to seek the truth, whatever that is. I have never before paid so much attention to politics or the so called news.

The profecta or profection were way beyond me Sally, but this author (didn't see them as so good for Bush in July. Then again, what is good for someone may be not so good for someone else and vice versa. The nature of good and evil, is not as simple as black and white. On this dualistic plane each demands use of the other in many complex ways, one of which being to define each other. Another McNamara lesson had to do with in order to accomplish good it may be neccessary to do evil deeds. Not saying I like that, but I guess it explains why or what our human species tells itself inorder to see what they need believe, and that it would create a need for War?

Here is the quote from Maria J. Mateus http://www.cyclelogical.org/Articles/Bush_Peril.htm in her article that I found so intriguing, regarding GWB's natal mercury/pluto conjunction.

***The relevant symbols in Bush’s chart indicate a deeply seated fear around the Mercury archetype and a need to suppress it (Pluto/Mercury conjunction on the Ascendant). It is well known that communication is not his strong suit and that according to one of some of his biographers, dyslexia is known to run in the family. It is also becoming increasingly clear that this Presidency has done more to suppress free speech and the public’s access to information than any that has come before it. [John W. Dean recently titled his book on the Bush White House, Worse than Watergate] This tendency toward secrecy and manipulation of information does not originate with Cheney, but with Bush; it is also known to be a theme running through his family history. Karl Rove is known to have read Machievelli’s The Prince and to shape Bush’s image according to one of its principal tenets: “Perception is reality.” Because afflicted Mercury rules his 11th and 2nd houses, it is not surprising that this President has managed to alienate most of this country’s allies and increased the national deficit to levels hitherto unknown while cutting funding (Mars is in the 2nd house) for most of his campaign promised programs, such as his education call to “Leave no Child Behind”. Remember, his Sun is the nation’s Sun, therefore, anything personally unexamined becomes easily routed through the national identity.

But these are all outer symptoms of deeper personal issues surrounding information and the capacity to freely express oneself. With Mercury sitting with Pluto on the Ascendant, it is very likely that George Bush experienced very tight control over what he could say and learn in childhood. I don’t know this for a fact, his biographers are coincidently not terribly generous with information about his early family life either. But it is reported that when George’s younger sister died of leukemia (Mercury rules siblings), his parents kept this from him and kept silent about it as much as possible. One biographer even reported that the Bushes were seen on the golf course the day after the funeral. Therefore, it is not unreasonable to think that such a powerful conjunction as this would not have pervaded his early years and helped to shape what psychoanalyst Oliver James noted as an “aggressively anti-intellectual” stance. For George Bush, knowledge (and all things Mercurial) brings with it death.

Such an unexamined archetypal conflict will manifest outwardly with the force proportionate to its degree of repression. Consequently, it is no random accident that George Bush lies at the epicenter of expunged driving records; tainted elections; lethal airplanes; knowledge of 9/11 while in the classroom; the suppression of free speech; the intrusion upon library records; refusals to testify, testimonies without record; hidden service records; politically lethal books; the repression of insurgent newspapers; and perhaps lethal travel.***

To everyone on this board, thankyou always for all of your thought provoking posts and links. And especially, Sally, Nancy, Morgana and Isabelle, thankyou for your wonderful and timely articles.

~End of my Mercury rant.

M:

I was born and raised in Italy and, obviously, a
Catholic. I agree with you on the Vatican 100%.

I fervently hope that when I reincarnate, the
Abramic religions will be only remembered in the
history books. No more wars because "my god is
bigger and better than your god", no more suppress
ing the 'weaker sex', no more color bar; back to
the days before the Caesars stole the power of
their magnificent Republic and introduced the
"Age of Pisces". Some people in high places should read up on Roman history, so that they
could see where they are taking this country.
Unfortunately, the only one who would know what
I am talking about is a very valiant old man who,
instead of being admired for his knowledge and
patriotism, is largely ridiculed by the elite
'ignoramuses' in this gop government.....

My friend Dommael is AWOL today. Man, is he going
to be POed......

"Lady Sally", thank you for just being you.

Watch the shell game the Neocons are playing. While screaming Chalabi is being smeared, they are installing his cousin! Watch the psyc ops... they think we're stupid. There will be no transfer of power to the Iraqis on June 30th and the Neocons are not ceding power either... just shuffling the players a little.

Check out Josh Marshall at Talking Points Memo:

"I continue to think that something very important happened in this selection of Iyad Allawi. Precisely what, though, remains unclear. After all the twists and turns over the last 24 hours it seems to have been something very close to what I suggested early yesterday afternoon, a coup de main by the IGC. Or, more specifically, a coup de main launched by Allawi himself and either helped along, or facilitated or encouraged by the other members of the IGC."

More... http://talkingpointsmemo.com

Brown shirt alert:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/05/29/state1749EDT0067.DTL&type=printable

Saudi Arabia wanted the US Army out of Saudi Arabia.

Not only had they paid protection money to Usama
not to strike in Saudi Arabia, but agreed to finance Wahabee schools to teach hatred of all infidels.

The result is:

1)this gave dimson another good reason to move the army to Iraq to keep a US foothold in the middle east,

2)now the Saudis do not have the US Army to protect them, but they do have US weapons and airplanes that could be taken over by the terra-ists,

3)the Sauds should know that when you lay down with dogs you get up with fleas, and that there is no honor among thieves.

4) the world markets are going to shake for fear
the Saudi oil fields will be taken over.

It would be a good idea wherever possible to install solar panels or an alternate means of electricity and heat for one's household electricity as soon as possible.

Astrologically there is a distinct possibility that by the end of next year and over the next two years the flow of oil could be disrupted intermittently or shut off to this country.

Local scut...................Babs "beautiful mind" cancelled out on a do up in Lincolnville, Me. with our Gov. Baldacci. Our wonderful & very active Peace & Justice group was preparing a warm welcome for her!
Her Grandaughter, Jenna didn't even attend her graduation ceremony from TX A&M. They're movements are becoming more & moer restricted.....couldn't
happen to a nicer bunch!

Found this on MSN....
The search for extrasolar planetsThe candidate for youngest known planet is not visible and so must be confirmed by future observations, but the infrared view showed there's a clear hole in a disk of dust circling a young star named CoKu Tau 4. Theorists say such a hole -- this one is 10 times the size of Earth's orbit around the sun -- would most likely be created by a newborn planet that acted as a cosmic broom. Similar holes have signaled planets around other stars, but none so young.

The star's age is fairly easy to determine, and it's set at 1 million years. The planet would have had to form within a million years, too.

"That probably makes it the youngest planet we've ever seen," Watson said.

It also puts yet another thorn in the side of the standard model for planet formation, which says ice and dust stick together and collide with ever-larger rocks until a giant core is formed, then gas can be drawn into the mix. That process takes some 4 million years, however, said Alan Boss, a theorist at the Carnegie Institution of Washington who was not involved in the observations.

The other way
Boss argues that planets -- especially gas giant planets like Jupiter -- form instead when instabilities in the disk of leftover material circling a star collapse. His method can build the guts of a planet in 1,000 years.

The new observations fit neatly with his scheme.

That's important because in dense star-formation regions, where most Sun-like stars form, a giant, outer planet may have just 100,000 years to get going before radiation from nearby massive stars strips all the raw material away.

Boss was also excited to learn of Spitzer's observations of water ice, methanol and carbon dioxide collecting on the dust in disks around the five young, Sun-like stars. These are the ingredients of comets, which theorists figure helped prepare Earth for life by filling its oceans and adding the right organic chemistry.

Other searches have found organic chemicals around stars, but this is the first time the goods were clearly in a disk of material that could form planets.

"If our assumptions are correct" about the Spitzer observations, the work has "profound implications" for the number of planets that probably exist, Boss said. "It may very well be that solar systems like our own are not rare in our galaxy."
© 2004 Space.com. All rights reserved.

I WILL be meditating on June 8th with the rest of you. The Sea Island GA. convention will be in full swing then!
PatQOP

Corleonis - This may be a case of taking one to know one, having been raised in the same tradition myself, though thankfully recovered.

JO

Since Allawi is a product of the CIA and the Brit
Intelligence I would think this is a coup by the
CIA.

I also suspect that they don't learn their lesson.
and that he is just the flip side of the coin of his cousin Chalabi, which the CIA will again eventually learn the hard way.

___

Brown shirts. Frightening actions. But the same was done by hard hats during the Viet Nam war to kids who protested. This time, I do think the hard hats will be with the protestors as they dont support WTO and they'r usually labor unions, the same people this administration is letting twist in the wind by shipping their jobs "offshore". As the administration refers to it, as if "offshore"/overseas was part of America.

In any case, things are moving very very fast.
Al queda or whoever are doing one attack after another. Attack in Afghanistan today, in Iraq, and Saudi Arabia.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=526292

Bush dynasty ex-wife set to spill the beans

A new book on the Bush dynastyis set for release just six weeks before November's knife-edge presidential election. The Family: The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty by Kitty Kelley will have an initial print run of 500,000, and the main source is believed to be Sharon Bush, the ex-wife of Neil, President George W Bush's wayward brother.

Kelley, whose unauthorised biographies of Frank Sinatra, Jackie Onassis and the British Royal Family have told tales of affairs, electric-shock treatment and more affairs, has turned her attention to America's first family.

The book could be the most damaging yet for the President, with the publishers, Random House, promising it will "cause controversy".

hee hee

I was just about to post the same.

poor bushies. when it rains, it pours.

this should be a good book.

Pallas, care for a nice cup of tea and a warm tee shirt while you read?

http://cafeshops.com/angryintheusa/297143

BUSH SR. PUSHES CLINTON WITH BOTH HANDS AT THE

MEMORIAL SERVICE TODAY

Smirking Chimp and Daily Kos are abuzz with this

story, Kos has pictures also. Check it out....

What do you think are the chances he'll live long enough to attend the trial?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3758005.stm

Corleonis,

I saw a flash of that and was kind of surprised -
it was no little push.

do you mind if I tell you how to put the address
which is called the URL of the article into what you post here? it kinda makes a short cut for us
reading you. Take your mouse and press the left button. go up to where it says address of the article you are reading, right now it's
http://www.astroworld.us/archives/000389.html#000389

press the left mouse button at the end of the address. the whole thing will turn blue.

then go up over there where it says "Edit", click there, and you will see "copy", click on "copy",
then come back down here to where you are writing us a post, and click on the right side of your mouse, you will see a list so that you can click on "paste" - and there you are, address of where you are reading will be in here.

Pallas, the CIA knew long ago that Chalabi is no good... it is the Neocons who picked him up--- The New Yorker has a wonderfully informative article on him that pulls together many of the pieces that have been circulating about him ---

snip

"... Although Chalabi developed enemies at the C.I.A. who disputed his intelligence data and questioned his ethics, he forged a close bond with Vice-President Dick Cheney and many of the top civilians at the Pentagon, such as Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, Under-Secretary of Defense Douglas Feith, and Under-Secretary of Defense William J. Luti. Yet now that the occupation of Iraq appeared to be headed toward disaster, he said, many in the Administration had united in making him the scapegoat. As Chalabi saw it, he had understood America too well, and had been too successful in influencing its foreign policy. “There is a smear campaign that says I am responsible for the liberation of Iraq,” he said. Then he added with a chuckle, “But how bad is that?”

More... http://www.newyorker.com/printable/?fact/040607fa_fact1

http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0005427.HTM

This is really an exceptionally good astrology story by Robert Gover that you all will enjoy.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/5/29/162231/064

Here you go Corleonis.

From the pictures, further down, it looks to me
like Clinton had put his right hand up to shake hands with Bozo the first, and Bozo 1 was pushing his hand away, and to make it look good, pushed him in the chest laughing, in other words, he wouldnt shake hands with Clinton. Classless oafs.

I saw it happen with one eye on tv, but hadnt seen that Clinton had his right hand up to shake hands.

If they're looking to amend the Constitution so that the Gropenator can run for resident, I dont see why we cant amend it so that Clinton can run another two times.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/5/29/162231/064

Here you go Corleonis.

From the pictures, further down, it looks to me
like Clinton had put his right hand up to shake hands with Bozo the first, and Bozo 1 was pushing his hand away, and to make it look good, pushed him in the chest laughing, in other words, he wouldnt shake hands with Clinton. Classless oafs.

I saw it happen with one eye on tv, but hadnt seen that Clinton had his right hand up to shake hands.

If they're looking to amend the Constitution so that the Gropenator can run for resident, I dont see why we cant amend it so that Clinton can run another two times.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/5/29/162231/064

Here you go Corleonis.

From the pictures, further down, it looks to me
like Clinton had put his right hand up to shake hands with Bozo the first, and Bozo 1 was pushing his hand away, and to make it look good, pushed him in the chest laughing, in other words, he wouldnt shake hands with Clinton. Classless oafs.

I saw it happen with one eye on tv, but hadnt seen that Clinton had his right hand up to shake hands.

If they're looking to amend the Constitution so that the Gropenator can run for resident, I dont see why we cant amend it so that Clinton can run another two times.

How much more can these poor people take? This is horrible!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1144469/posts

Jo

lots going on behind the scenes here - Chalabi
was the neocons choice, but Alwari was in with the
CIA.

This from Slate magazine:

"The Times' Elisabeth Bumiller goes below the fold with the tale of Richard Perle, James Woolsey, and other angry Chalabites barnstorming the West Wing to confront Condi Rice about what they considered a "smear campaign" against their pol of choice, whose Baghdad home and offices were recently raided. Perle singled out Bremer, who quickly denied any involvement. For his part, Chalabi chum Paul Wolfowitz seems eager to stay out of the flap, sending only this rather oblique message through his spokesman: "[Chalabi and the INC] have provided valuable operational intelligence to our military forces in Iraq, which has helped save American lives. Secretary Wolfowitz hopes that the events of the last few weeks haven't undermined that." TP deeply hopes that American lives do not actually depend on "valuable operational intelligence" provided by Ahmad Chalabi.

A reminder of past high crimes and misdemeanors: Watergate good guys Archibald Cox and Sam Dash have both died.

http://tinyurl.com/3bgg5 (New York Times-Cox)

http://tinyurl.com/3xzdh (Washington Post-Dash)

This is so stupid, that it would be funny, but it isn't. You recall my mentioning Chinese border with Afghanistan and that Chinese muslims fought with Al Queda ?:

Chinese Guantanamo prisoners at risk if they return

AP , SAN JUAN, PUERTO RICO
Sunday, May 30, 2004,Page 5

Behind coils of razor wire at Guan-tanamo Bay, Cuba, one group of prisoners held by the US military faces a unique dilemma -- if returned to China, human rights groups warn, they could be tortured or killed.

Some 22 ethnic Uighurs, Muslims from China's desert northwest, are at the US prison for terror suspects, Amnesty International said this week.

"They're at grave risk if returned," Alistair Hodgett, a spokes-man for the London-based rights group said on Friday. "They are highly likely to face, at a minimum, continued detention, and very likely to face torture, ill treatment and possible execution."
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

and what does he think they are facing in Gitmo?

This is, quite simply, the best site on the net.

I have read every post between now and the last one I posted, about the Black Holes, way, waaaaaaaay above. It's taken three or four cds and a few hours.

A few thoughts...

Now that it has become evident through the Internet that the world's thoughts are possible to know, and gauge and respond to, how could we possibly go back to being in the dark?

Even if an attempt was made to shut off the Internet and cut us off, we'll still know that there are thoughts surrounding us, everywhere, all the time, linked together as we have them linked in our microcosm here. This order, this way that people have learned to communicate in Cyberspace, this is a massive shift in the way people are working their minds. It's almost focusing a totally different part of the brain, or summoning an alternate way of thinking.

In fact, if the Internet were cut off, would telepathy suddenly increase? How can we unlink now that we have linked and it grows stronger everyday? This is an unprecedented shift in the mass consciousness of the population of the planet.

On top of this, all information is being questioned. Three posts from articles in this thread were satire but thought to be true, or at least considered to be possibly true, by very seasoned news watchers. That element is also growing, people are questioning their sources of information. It's almost inevitable that this breakdown will lead to people questioning their ultimate source of information, that is, their perception of reality itself.

You are all joyful to me. Jonathan, I'm glad you're back and I must say I guiltily indulge in every post, every thought, every nuance of communication that each of you wonderful souls brings to this place.

Corleonis, to continue the reincarnation discussion, the possibility of Bu$h having been Pope Urban II is interesting. Their similarities and differences, if nothing else, are quite intriguing to consider.

I wish I could go to each persona that contributes here and say how interesting I think their point of view is, and follow each topic of the thread down various paths. Perhaps for now, ;-), that would take up too much bandwidth.

And I love the idea of *Lady* Sally, if she would not mind being given that addition to her persona. I'm a bit embarrassed, because I keep reading posts from new people that say things like "I've been reading for X years and I just decided to speak up today" and, ahem, I think I posted on the very first day I came here. So, for any personalities such as myself, for the Host to be identified with a unique surname would be very useful. It would also be a valid, and extremely deserved, show of respect, for our gracious host.

Also, I'm learning Astrology. Please go easy on me. ;-) Me and that new, young, million~year old planet are in the same boat.

Namaste,

~Dommael

Pat,
Archibald Cox and Sam Dash die the same day? That's really wierd.

concerning the thoughts on the internet shut-down: anything that happens is controlled by the international bankers. If the stock market were to suddenly collapse, and it's definitely having it's problems, then we might have another "electricity grid problem". Remember the brown out on the east coast of a coupla years ago?

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/05/30/CMGKG6F3UV1.DTL

Haiti/DR: What a horrendous history. And when will it ever end?

Jeanie, yes it spooked me. They were both old, and they both were very angry with what is going on in our government.

One of them has a book coming out quite soon. I wonder what will happen with that.

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